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Transcript for 17-06-2015, 1446 lines:

00:00:02 mats: i wonder if this is how history will remember gawker

00:00:28 mats: destroyed because hulk hogan is on tape asking to be cucked

00:00:42 cazalla: i thought it was hogan fucking the other guy's missus?

00:01:01 BingoBoingo: mats: No, Hogan is doing the cucking as cazalla says

00:01:03 mats: oh right

00:03:00 cazalla: hulk need money? not sure why he'd be so butthurt, not like it was a gay sex tape or something

00:03:36 BingoBoingo: The short of the drama around the tape is Hogan thought he was doing a service by satisfying this guy's wife. The cuckold and his wife violated Hogan's trust by videotaping this charitable act.

00:05:38 BingoBoingo: !up Petit_Dejeuner

00:08:31 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/signify-shortcomings

00:08:32 assbot: signify shortcomings ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sm75oP )

00:12:34 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1165471 << let's put it this way: i look out the window, and see usg. when it is no longer there, then - yes, defeated

00:12:34 assbot: Logged on 16-06-2015 23:52:10; mircea_popescu: * ascii_field still not convinced that this is any kind of actual defeat for usg << and if i serve it cooked you still wouldn't be. it's like a religion with you :D

00:13:28 asciilifeform: or, something more practical, when somebody tells me what the weak class of aes keys is.

00:14:08 asciilifeform: or a plausible story re: why 'whirlpool' was rejected.

00:14:10 asciilifeform: or, or.

00:19:15 asciilifeform: or, to take a different tack, when 1,001 usg weapons caches in eastern eu and ru are loudly and publicly blown up

00:20:04 asciilifeform: or similar 'leak' with unambiguous physical consequences.

00:20:31 asciilifeform: there was no shortage of these when su was imploding

00:20:43 asciilifeform: it is entirely fair to hold the u.s. collapse to the same historical standard.

00:30:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00041962 = 32.3107 BTC [-]

00:38:59 *: funkenstein_ is curious what alf sees out the window

00:41:45 *: funkenstein_ frowns at new tabloid qntra

00:47:35 BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: What's tabloid?

00:48:54 BingoBoingo: If you are talking about Nick Denton's impending abandonment of Gawker Media... Very early qntra was far less kind to GAW Miners going so far as to label them "Jizz Moppers"

00:49:28 trinque: ^ points to a serious decline if you ask me

00:49:32 trinque: (just kidding)

00:52:25 BingoBoingo: It is seriously not a secret at all that Nick Denton sucks cocks. That would literally be the opposite of news.

00:54:09 funkenstein_: gotta keep up with the celebrity gossip i guess

00:54:17 funkenstein_: that's why i read kunstler

00:55:25 funkenstein_: no sorry, likely i am just ignorant and gawker has some importance I don't know about

00:56:14 BingoBoingo: It has tremendous importance in the same way the white squared Bishop does on a chess board.

00:56:31 *: trinque checks the front page of gawker

00:56:42 trinque: yeah... death to gawker

00:56:50 trinque: here's a lol

00:56:55 trinque: http://gawker.com/report-ex-nfl-cheerleader-pleads-guilty-to-raping-15-y-1711738051

00:56:56 assbot: Ex-NFL Cheerleader Pleads Guilty to Raping 15-Year-Old Boy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HR5NiH )

01:31:05 danielpbarron: !up DanielBTC

01:33:29 cazalla: 48 year old cheerleader, i guess that could've been traumatic but i would've been quite happy to fuck that at 15

01:33:37 cazalla: prob not brag worthy to ya mates though

01:34:36 BingoBoingo: !up ag3nt_zer0

01:34:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3627 @ 0.00042038 = 1.5247 BTC [+]

01:34:54 ag3nt_zer0: Hey thanks BingoBoingo

01:35:01 ag3nt_zer0: how's it going?

01:37:04 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: did you get your gpg sorted?

01:37:42 DanielBTC: Hi people. Thanks for the voice danielpbarron

01:38:14 DanielBTC: I new here in this channel I will read a little the wiki =)

01:38:23 DanielBTC: I'm

01:38:41 BingoBoingo: Oh things are things

01:39:04 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttchina

01:39:06 gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.721972, Best ask: 252.369594, Bid-ask spread: 0.64762, Last trade: 252.369594, 24 hour volume: 29606.80310000, 24 hour low: 237.09087, 24 hour high: 258.087033, 24 hour vwap: 245.967301408

01:39:25 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yeah I am thinking since I was told yesterday that doing it right means local and plaintext then it doesnt really matter that it is linked to something that can operate with thunderbird and enigmail... I can simply keep it linked to my tutanota account... this makes sense to me but I don't know shit about this stuff...

01:39:28 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttstamp

01:39:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.97, Best ask: 247.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 247.16, 24 hour volume: 18553.50125584, 24 hour low: 234.35, 24 hour high: 252.2, 24 hour vwap: 243.254668613

01:39:37 felipelalli: welcome DanielBTC! He's a personal friend, same city as mine.

01:40:32 ag3nt_zer0: I am coinfused as to how the "keys" work though... is my "fingerprint" my public key?

01:40:59 BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: Any pop3 or imap email that allows your client direct access to smtp for outgoing is fine

01:41:06 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: no, that is a unique identifier for your public key

01:41:22 BingoBoingo: or at least "unique"

01:43:16 ag3nt_zer0: BingoBoingo: yes but if I am encrypting plaintext then I am just attaching the file... tutanota, which I set it up with, provides their own encryption, so it isnt pop3 or imap... I think... they told me they cant do that since they are encrypted

01:43:21 BingoBoingo: Mega med lol http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/06/16/protac_goes_smallmolecule.php

01:43:22 assbot: PROTAC Goes Small-Molecule. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJEhCN )

01:44:12 BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: Then don's bother with them. encyt your plaintext to asciiarmored plaintext.

01:44:13 danielpbarron: !up ahmed_

01:44:22 ahmed_: awesome ty

01:44:29 BingoBoingo: Then pass around armored text blobs

01:44:35 ahmed_: danielpbarron: do you want BTC or do u want LTC?

01:44:57 danielpbarron: ultimately i'm gonna trade the LTC for btc, so if you can cut out that step that would be great

01:45:05 ahmed_: alright sure

01:45:06 BingoBoingo: I dun know what tutanota is, but he ideal email provider is three steps dumber than rocks

01:45:20 ag3nt_zer0: tinque: ok, so this is what will be public? and then how do I decrypt?

01:45:23 ahmed_: shoot me the private key in PM and i'll shoot u the BTC? or vice versa

01:45:59 trinque: lol what

01:46:29 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: gpg --export --armor <your email address>

01:47:03 ahmed_: danielpbarron: ^

01:47:25 danielpbarron: ahmed_,

01:47:39 trinque: danielpbarron: send me your private keys kthx

01:47:46 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: maybe I'll be back in a year if I get a clue haha

01:48:13 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: first focus on learning to use the program gpg

01:48:17 trinque: don't worry about email and such

01:48:26 trinque: encrypt and decrypt a textfile using your own key

01:50:14 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: ok sounds good... maybe I am looking at the "keys" wrong... since pgp is called the bitcoin-standard in encrypted communications, I just assumed it would have a public key/private key situation similar to BTC and that this would be how to encrypt and decrypt

01:50:27 trinque: it does have that.

01:50:40 ag3nt_zer0: I will play with it and figure out how to do that basic step first... thanks

01:50:46 *: trinque nods

01:56:59 cazalla: !up Vexual

01:57:45 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.ahmed_.1:dd5d24e5880aa2f04ebe18036995bc8d7df99e83fe9d73a12d40f1ca56640900

01:57:45 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for ahmed_ with note: Litecoin trader

01:57:54 ahmed_: awesome

01:58:06 ahmed_: ty danielpbarron

01:58:14 danielpbarron: now you can voice yourself in here with /msg assbot !up

01:58:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42973 @ 0.00042474 = 18.2524 BTC [+] {2}

01:59:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18877 @ 0.00043601 = 8.2306 BTC [+]

01:59:55 danielpbarron: and thank you! saved me from having to install some sketchy Litecoin thing just to sell it

02:00:30 trinque: ah that's what he meant re: privkeys

02:00:30 scoopbot_revived: Once upon a time, there was a social contract. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/16/once-upon-a-time-there-was-a-social-contract/

02:01:34 danielpbarron: i had this paper wallet from back when I was into altcoins, and today the price of LTC is way up for some reason so i figured i'd finally get rid of that thing

02:04:25 cazalla: meh litecoin price is just chinese exchanges doing what chinese do best.. scamming

02:04:57 cazalla: that jubi exchange has been doing it past few weeks with coins like vertcoin

02:09:50 BingoBoingo: So, LED bulbs... really excelling at exterior lighting.

02:10:10 trinque: much better light than that fluorescent shit

02:10:46 Vexual: from rural king?

02:10:47 cazalla: BingoBoingo, you accepting LED bitcoin mining gifts from bitfury or something? should disclose such a thing eh?

02:11:30 *: asciilifeform only accepts optical, quantum interference mining modules from 'bitlazy'

02:11:42 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, walmart had marked down an older model bulb to clearance, scooped a bunch up. Prolly should have checked for network connectivity and miners

02:11:58 BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform only accepts optical, quantum interference mining modules from 'bitlazy' << lol

02:12:18 BingoBoingo: One can only evaluate bitlazy in haskell

02:12:49 asciilifeform: BitLazy! the reich's #1-selling bitcotron! Mine While Not Giving a Flying Fuck (TM) (R)

02:13:11 Vexual: fucklazy (tm)

02:14:21 cazalla: BingoBoingo, what are they rated to last for? i usually go whatever is cheapest on account all that shit is made in china and probably won't last near what they claim it will (but just long enough that i've binned receipt)

02:14:31 asciilifeform: '...aaaand remember kidddz! Tarpy the Terror Tamarind says: Only YOU can prevent Financial Terrorism!'

02:14:56 *: asciilifeform switches off time machine, goes back to wurk

02:15:20 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Every single one everywhere here says up to 22 years so all are bullshitting. I just got to cut consumption vs. previous socket occupants

02:15:28 cazalla: lol 22 years

02:15:51 asciilifeform: 'lifetime warranty.' 'whose life?' 'product's'

02:17:39 Vexual: usually

02:17:55 Vexual: if it breaks they update the model nummber

02:21:42 BingoBoingo: !up joecool

02:22:08 Vexual: tv is covered with the scandal of isis agents paying us100's to poor fishermen to take refugees back to indo

02:22:13 Vexual: *asis

02:22:46 BingoBoingo: Moar like AssAss

02:22:48 Vexual: poor fucks might still have their money if it was bitcoin

02:23:13 joecool: BingoBoingo: hey, thanks... i'm in wot though, or did you just miss hearing from me?

02:23:39 BingoBoingo: Just missed you

02:27:05 Vexual: hey duffer

02:27:44 Duffer1: hi guys :) sorry gotta run, afk a bit

02:35:45 BingoBoingo: To the niggers.txt files http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/33145897

02:35:46 assbot: BBC Sport - Lotto Cycling Cup organisers apologise for bikini models ... ( http://bit.ly/1GXSZb7 )

02:37:30 cazalla: surprised they're yet to attack boxing ring girls yet

02:42:28 cazalla: gee google is shit.. i search "word antonym".. did you mean "word synonym" ?

02:44:46 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Ring girls are protected by the mighty pay-per-view barrier

02:45:33 cazalla: BingoBoingo, not every fight is ppv though yet pletny of ring girls to be found on the shitty circuits they show here down under

02:46:44 cazalla: !up Vexual

02:47:26 Vexual: BingoBoingo, The ring girls for our fight are prolly geing born now

02:47:39 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Probably

02:48:33 Vexual: or failing at school

02:51:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00041783 = 8.6909 BTC [-] {3}

02:51:12 decimation: maybe they are maths geniuses

02:51:36 Vexual: they can add n to 1

02:51:44 asciilifeform: why would those watch a match, l0l. they fuck 24/7

02:55:43 Vexual: i dunno about maths geniuses, but i know bb knows i don't know to box, and wouldnt expose himself to the spectacle

02:55:53 asciilifeform: http://rem.eifzilla.de/archives/2012/11/27/the-tragedy-of-gnu-copyright-assignments

02:55:54 assbot: The tragedy of GNU copyright assignments -- Werner's own blurbs ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdiWNo )

02:56:25 asciilifeform: 'Libgcrypt now accepts contributions after having received a simple mail (right, e-mail, no transatlantic snail mail) with a Developer?s Certificate of Origin as known from other projects. Voil?, patches with new features and performance improvements started to come in.'

02:56:35 asciilifeform: ^ ?!#!@??@?$%%!!!!!

02:57:08 decimation: asciilifeform: stallman sits upon emacs, etc

02:57:36 asciilifeform: 'The FSFE's December newsletter mentioned this article. For whatever reasons it suddenly disappeared from the website. A diff against Google's cache shows...'

03:00:54 decimation: asciilifeform: who are these contributors who were afraid of contributing to a gnu (instead of werner) copyright?

03:01:44 Vexual: diff us

03:08:21 decimation: "as u see on this postcard im in great country of fuckwitstan. pls to commit my patches ur cryptolib"

03:08:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19198 @ 0.00041648 = 7.9956 BTC [-] {2}

03:09:21 Vexual: ah

03:09:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42555 @ 0.0004159 = 17.6986 BTC [-] {2}

03:11:33 Vexual: a popular process these days no?

03:14:07 Vexual: fucklazy is never good

03:21:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17223 @ 0.00042444 = 7.3101 BTC [+] {2}

03:27:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "defeated" != "any sort of defeat".

03:28:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you have to appreciate i don't do bezzle. that "couple mil" per year was about 20k actual deductibles and the rest fluff.

03:29:42 mircea_popescu: <mats> i wonder if this is how history will remember gawker << it's certainly how i'll remember it. "that wanna-be news-livejournal thing that got destroyed by hulk hogan"

03:31:14 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or similar 'leak' with unambiguous physical consequences. << the "unambiguous" in there is a no true scotsman. you know for a fact that leaks to date have had physical consequences of the worst kind for the twerps in question, and you know they know, and you can observe them act in consequence of that knowledge. they digested the fact they are informationally defeated.

03:31:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but you have to consider Denton only does Bezzel, Blow Jobs, and Loss leading social engineering. From what I understand he hit his peak wealth before Gawker got close to popular. Much like i hit peak fitness a decade ago befor I had internet connected terminal at "werk"

03:32:16 mircea_popescu: yeah well. sucks to be him,

03:34:14 BingoBoingo: Sure, but his gay is more accept nao than Turing's was then. Even though he also had to bankroll fat acceptance, Kardashians, and lets hate athletic success to make it happen.

03:34:53 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> So, LED bulbs... really excelling at exterior lighting. << so they are. also they bother the fauna, so less racoons

03:35:11 BingoBoingo: The stray cats adore them

03:35:23 decimation: mircea_popescu: 'has physical consequences' seems like a solid criteria, not 'no true scotsman'

03:35:35 mircea_popescu: the kardasshian part in there is understandable.

03:35:48 mircea_popescu: decimation everything's ambiguous if you wish it to be

03:35:56 BingoBoingo: Sure, the Kim subtype has an ass.

03:36:04 BingoBoingo: The other's are too hammy

03:36:23 decimation: in the case in question though, I think it does do damage to usg where it hurts

03:36:25 mircea_popescu: the others didn't have the gumption tro spend a coupla years as paris hilton's foot slaves

03:36:31 mircea_popescu: this makes a difference.

03:36:34 BingoBoingo: No they didn't

03:36:39 mircea_popescu: decimation look at it this way :

03:36:43 mircea_popescu: !s we know where you live

03:36:44 assbot: 7 results for 'we know where you live' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=we+know+where+you+live

03:37:00 mircea_popescu: and for that matter

03:37:05 mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea you get killed

03:37:05 assbot: 11 results for 'from:mircea you get killed' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+you+get+killed

03:37:32 mircea_popescu: generally, early discussion of later to be publicly known stuff is considered unambiguous enough.

03:37:33 scoopbot_revived: BitPay Continues To Falter http://qntra.net/2015/06/bitpay-continues-to-falter/

03:37:37 decimation: not to minimize your reign of terror, but I think usg servants fear chinese agents even more

03:37:38 mircea_popescu: but obviously unambiguity standards vary.

03:37:47 mircea_popescu: why would they be able to distinguish ?

03:38:23 BingoBoingo: Kim has an ass that can only be built from Armenia, Squats, and slavish dedication. Kim's sisters... Have bodies built by lazy and spandex tressing.

03:39:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's rephrase. ever heard of a fella named sergey motorin? adolf tolkachev ?

03:39:29 cazalla: fwiw i don't even think she's that attractive (bisfh obviously)

03:39:53 asciilifeform: su folks who turned coat and worked for usg. outed, and shot

03:40:06 mircea_popescu: and who the fuck apologizes for women that look good in bikinis

03:40:07 asciilifeform: that's 'physical consequence'

03:40:25 asciilifeform: and it was (after a bit) public

03:40:27 mircea_popescu: and you don't like the sean guy because reasons.

03:40:51 asciilifeform: http://www.videofact.com/english/tolkachev2.jpg

03:40:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CczHYh )

03:41:04 *: asciilifeform always thought this photo was an in-joke of some sort

03:44:32 asciilifeform: usg could answer the 'we know where you live' with 'so what, come and get it'

03:46:18 *: BingoBoingo pretty sure best thing at stopping USG action is other USG inertia and USG molasses

03:56:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00043635 = 6.1525 BTC [+]

04:02:27 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, https://archive.is/Dwif0#selection-129.405-129.410 << should be "giving" ?

04:02:29 assbot: Hulk Hogan Puts Denton's Control of Gawker Media on Life Support | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcBiNM )

04:43:19 mats: https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2015/06/16/remote-code-execution-as-system-user-on-samsung-phones

04:43:20 assbot: Remote Code Execution as System User on Samsung Phones | NowSecure Blogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1GY05fK )

04:44:14 mats: har

05:08:26 mircea_popescu: "The only great material difference between Gawker's lines on the fappening and their publication of Bollea's tape is that while photos during the fappening were released in a decentralized manner, Gawker got to publish the Hulk Hogan sex tape first. "

05:08:29 mircea_popescu: heh. got 'em.

05:14:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30975 @ 0.00041523 = 12.8617 BTC [-] {2}

05:32:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25103 @ 0.00041903 = 10.5189 BTC [+]

05:38:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00041344 = 26.5428 BTC [-] {2}

06:12:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28527 @ 0.00041149 = 11.7386 BTC [-] {2}

06:17:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24873 @ 0.00040954 = 10.1865 BTC [-]

06:31:45 cazalla: well au signed a free trade agreement with choina today.. PM thinks we should be happy we get cheap shit from china even cheaper now or something

06:32:06 cazalla: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-17/australia-and-china-sign-free-trade-agreement/6552940

06:32:07 assbot: Australia and China sign 'history making' free trade agreement after a decade of negotiations - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdPUx4 )

07:19:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00042685 = 8.6651 BTC [+]

07:28:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00041132 = 5.5528 BTC [-]

07:31:57 mats: https://github.com/benjamingr/favicon-bug

07:31:58 assbot: benjamingr/favicon-bug · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYcPDo )

08:24:38 mircea_popescu: cazalla it's no alternative sort of deal. the "us in south china sea" story is coming to an end this decade.

08:29:47 mats: usg is notoriously stubborn so please share intel with the class

08:31:11 mircea_popescu: no usable jet, not like carriers would be usable even if they had a jet, no money to back it all up with anyway even if they had a miracle cure for rocketry, and no brains to work the entire thing even if money were somehow to be found, as it's always found when there's brains involved.

08:31:15 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i'll hold you to that!

08:31:20 mircea_popescu: nothing too secret bout it.

08:34:25 mircea_popescu: next us president whoever is gonna be is going to discover a sudden fondness for russia and "move past previous difficulties", and the transition's complete : washington is now a sort of germany, in charge of a large rust bucket that doesn't much care for it.

08:34:57 mats: i dun see it

08:35:34 mircea_popescu: but you do see where it says us gdp < euro gdp yes ?

08:36:12 mats: usg has the next best thing to a naval base in south china sea

08:36:27 mats: the philippines

08:36:36 mircea_popescu: anything the us has is there for the taking.

08:37:22 mircea_popescu: were the philippines in the beijing accord btw ?

08:39:23 mats: im not sure what you're specifically referring to

08:39:47 mircea_popescu: Noynoy Aquino said that the Philippines is still considering to join AIIB. "We have not indicated that we are ready to join also. We are actually at the stage of studying the proposal to join this particular new entity."

08:39:49 mircea_popescu: that.

08:40:09 mircea_popescu: whore be milking the gringo for all he's got.

08:40:58 mats: oh, AIIB

08:41:00 mircea_popescu: japan was also considering it but then... somehow they changed their mind.

08:41:48 cazalla: well if it all goes to shit.. might finally find out what the yanks have been doing at pine gap all these years

08:42:06 mircea_popescu: eh, you might discover that chinese honeymoon much more pleasant than usg dregs.

08:42:16 mircea_popescu: it'll suck when your kids come of age, not next decade.

08:43:04 mats: i am pretty curious to see what happens to china over the next century

08:43:27 mats: the one child policy has serious cultural ramifications

08:44:15 mats: chinese females are predictably holding out longer and raising their standards, but thats still a lot of extinct lines

08:44:57 mircea_popescu: you got women don't ya ?

08:45:11 cazalla: alotta chinese women with aussie men these days

08:45:20 mats: this predicament is why i have no sympathy for all the SJW whiners in USA

08:45:34 mats: folks have no sense of scale

08:45:40 mats: imagine being a chinese male with no prospects

08:45:44 mats: (you can't)

08:45:45 mircea_popescu: back in 1992 all ukrainian girls were dancing in leipzig.

08:46:04 mircea_popescu: give it a little, all ohio girls be dancin' in shanghai

08:46:19 cazalla: yellow man, white pussy, big $$$

08:46:33 mircea_popescu: best swindle ever.

08:46:52 mircea_popescu: recently the airlines managed to lose more money than was made in the history of flight.

08:47:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile prostitution... i suspect whores are going to make more money this century than total up to date.

08:47:25 mats: how did they manage to do that after making 3x usu profits because cost of fuel going down?

08:47:48 mircea_popescu: this was 2000-2010

08:48:43 mats: my understanding is that operating an airline has always been a losing proposition

08:48:52 mircea_popescu: ayway, whoredom's gonna be great business. the chinese bezzle looks like it's going to be this, a lot of small yellow beta males swarmin' around. except they won't try to go to college and get a mortgage to please the old folks.

08:49:17 mircea_popescu: they'll just carry dept to stick coins in the stereoscopic machine with the girl taking her pants off

08:49:22 cazalla: airline industry is aus is pretty bad, so bad that QANTAS has a debt guarantee from the government

08:49:31 mats: IIRC US-based airlines have consistently reported 1% or 0 profit since being privatized

08:49:55 mats: hedging against cost of fuel is a bitch

08:50:08 mircea_popescu: even train traverl was aspirational at some point

08:50:13 mircea_popescu: and railroads raked it in

08:51:15 mircea_popescu: and re the "imagine being a drone"... why do you think it's so impossible to imagine ?

08:52:22 mircea_popescu: in any case : the best thing that could happen is for a whole lot of lines to go extinct. like... most of them, really.

09:00:42 mats: its a dramatically different thing to be a white WalMart greeter

09:01:03 mircea_popescu: sure

09:01:13 mats: than it is to be a manual laborer for Wu Gang's Mining Emporium

09:01:49 mircea_popescu: more like a freeranged cow for wu gang's organic organ growth farm.

09:02:19 mircea_popescu: plenty western fixations the chinese do not share.

09:03:17 mats: the cultural context is entirely different, and whether its true or not,

09:03:32 mats: there's a lot more implicit potential social mobility involved in being a white dude in us

09:04:15 mircea_popescu: social mobility is a nice way to say it. the other way to say it is "swimming in a shitswamp"

09:04:29 mircea_popescu: as empirically observed, there's not any cause or any way to build anything in a swamp.

09:04:37 mircea_popescu: and everything stinks

09:04:39 mats: whereas, if you're a chinese dude,

09:05:01 mats: literally 1 in 4 dudes you meet will never procreate

09:05:11 mats: sucks to suck

09:05:36 mircea_popescu: i had no idea having kids is the summum bonum

09:05:39 mircea_popescu: when did that happen ?

09:07:05 chetty: only in Amerika can you just decide to be black even if you skin is white

09:07:26 cazalla: mats, are you asian?

09:07:38 mats: yes

09:08:32 cazalla: plenty of white people aren't procreating either, different reasons though (career women)

09:09:17 cazalla: there's what.. a billion or more chinese? i think they're good numbers wise

09:10:07 mircea_popescu: numbers really are worthless.

09:10:18 mircea_popescu: used to be, for most of human history, numbers mattered.

09:10:21 mircea_popescu: they don't, now.

09:10:30 cazalla: why's that?

09:10:40 chetty: it still takes 2 to tango

09:10:49 mircea_popescu: only thing another hundred twerps does for you is more inane demands.

09:11:09 cazalla: so we're at the point we're it's sorta like bezzle but for people?

09:11:17 mircea_popescu: yep.

09:11:45 mircea_popescu: originally, people pinned women down and stuck it in them because the kids cost nothing, either fed themselves off offal or died, and then could be used, for purposes.

09:12:01 mircea_popescu: then, steam power replaced muscle power, and people started playing talent lottery.

09:12:01 cazalla: well i must say, it comes to a shock that i have been printing bezzle

09:12:09 cazalla: as a shock even

09:12:22 mircea_popescu: one million schmucks had to kill themselves raising kids in new jersey so there could be a miss new jersey on television

09:12:33 mircea_popescu: nobody gives a shit about rockstars and genius scientists now.

09:12:56 mircea_popescu: consequently... really, no further point. if tomorrow you wake up and there's not ten billion people but ten thousand, there won't be a notable difference.

09:13:05 mircea_popescu: minus, of course, your not being there to notice.

09:13:17 cazalla: could be if the remaining 9,999 are all women :P

09:13:31 mircea_popescu: prolly about 6k of em

09:14:50 mats: i don't care about reproduction, but there is the issue of those others

09:15:04 chetty: would be noticeable when stuff starts breaking down

09:15:10 cazalla: mats, maybe they don't care either?

09:15:20 mats: i suppose the tentative plan is to recolonize oceania and us

09:15:45 mats: pretty hard to ignore biological imperatives, cazalla

09:15:51 mats: even when you enjoy the taste of cock

09:15:57 cazalla: well if/when america topples over, down under is shit out of luck, chinese will come flooding out of the water and on to the land

09:16:40 cazalla: and i can't imagine the chinese men will have much mercy for the aussie men banging their chinese-australian women

09:17:14 cazalla: mats, i doubt they do ignore them which is why pornotubes are the top sites

09:17:15 mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe they pay to watch

09:18:29 cazalla: pay in what? dollars? doubtful, iron ore? chinese own it all already

09:21:46 mircea_popescu: uniques lol

09:25:30 cazalla: meh chinese farmed em already

09:29:31 mats: the problem i'm faced with now is where to flee

09:29:37 mircea_popescu: actually there's a decent sf story in there, title it something like "986"

09:30:01 mircea_popescu: the premise being that in that future of barely a thousand people, you don't really need names, and moreover, you can trivially ennumerate the list of everyone

09:30:15 mircea_popescu: mats what's wrong with china ?

09:30:29 mats: clean air, water, and food

09:30:41 mircea_popescu: ah

09:30:56 mircea_popescu: large country, they cvouldn't have fuxcked up all of it

09:30:58 cazalla: copypaste is this a troll? UNHCR begging for donations for nigerians on 8chan? http://i.imgur.com/jVE61J7.png

09:30:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fm0PnN )

09:31:03 cazalla: mats, i know a place

09:31:29 mats: is it in australia

09:31:47 cazalla: lord howe island

09:32:08 mircea_popescu: lmao check out that stupid shit.

09:32:23 mircea_popescu: !rated copypaste

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09:32:38 mircea_popescu: grr

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09:33:21 mats: that escalated quickly

09:34:06 mircea_popescu: this is exactly like that one time when the alzheimer dude or w/e his name is wouldn't work with me then partnered up with keiser and started an ever-lulzy kickstarter that got together fiddy bucks and they're neither goinmg to ever mention again, because hey, internet, it's how it works.

09:34:08 mircea_popescu: but EXACTLY.

09:34:30 cazalla: weev

09:34:36 mircea_popescu: there's yer ever-vaunted "social mobility", mats. the nonsensical premise that people should be in charge of their own life and make their own decisions. pure poison for everyone.

09:37:17 cazalla: copypaste, did the AFP or any other coppers from down under contact you regarding those adelaide nude girl pics? (context - http://www.dailylife.com.au/dl-people/nude-photos-of-australian-women-shared-on-us-porn-site-20150617-ghpw5q.html)

09:37:19 assbot: Daily Life 404 Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYqxWE )

09:37:24 copypaste: no

09:37:33 copypaste: also regarding that ad, i assume the japanese just put up an ad network

09:37:39 copypaste: i think it's yahoo! ads but i'm not sure

09:37:45 copypaste: i certainly didn't get a list of ads to approve

09:37:55 copypaste: it's probably geotargetted as well, as it mentions australia

09:39:24 cazalla: prob cause i was looking up nat geo african titties earlier

09:39:45 copypaste: for example here's the ad i see https://0x0.st/vc.png

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09:39:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00042159 = 8.9799 BTC [+]

09:39:52 copypaste: i can't even read that shit

09:40:01 copypaste: 10000 yen / month for something or other

09:40:07 copypaste: i can read the important part :^)

09:41:18 copypaste: but anyway mircea_popescu not sure why you're mad. We agreed to one month. The month ended, things went back to how they were before.

09:41:47 copypaste: I converted what I was given by you and paid $250 to them already.

09:42:00 mircea_popescu: i'm not mad dude.

09:42:07 copypaste: (That doesn't cover close to our bandwidth bills, we served 200TB last month, around $2K...)

09:42:25 copypaste: (So I assume that was absorbed, or written off, or they hope to make it back somehow [somehow indeed])

09:43:14 mircea_popescu: things just went back to how they were before.

09:43:54 cazalla: damn copypaste, this shit is gonna be all over the media here

09:44:04 copypaste: You live in Aus? Unfortunate

09:44:10 copypaste: They've got some real out there laws.

09:44:29 copypaste: Did you know they readily admit to forcing ISPs to capture all data that leaves the country

09:44:36 copypaste: Hell, even that which stays within the country

09:44:55 cazalla: yeah i know :\

09:45:04 cazalla: but tbh, they've prob been doing it for much longer than they admit anyway

09:45:54 cazalla: data retention supposedly lasts 2 years but more likely forevar or until their hdds are full

09:46:59 copypaste: well in the US at least

09:47:01 copypaste: they do it

09:47:06 copypaste: oh sure they do it. but they can't admit to it

09:47:12 copypaste: so they have to at least attempt parallel construction

09:47:45 cazalla: i half expect to see your face on tv and in newspapers here in the next few days

09:48:18 copypaste: i suppose i'll never be headed to australia then

09:48:22 copypaste: humorous

09:48:34 cazalla: well if it's in the adelaide NOW, it'll likely run in the others

09:48:39 copypaste: the site where most of the sharing is happening is actually volafile.io

09:48:51 copypaste: i see cazalla

09:48:57 copypaste: i think they are attempting not to mention me and 8ch

09:49:02 copypaste: because they dont; want people to find it so easily.

09:49:52 cazalla: i don't see the big deal tbh, australian school girls have always been huge moles

09:50:33 mats: ;;ud mole

09:50:34 cazalla: agriculture class provided my first clasp of the titty

09:50:34 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mole | mole. a really sexy animal that lives mainly underground. dad: ahh no, look at that lump in the lawn, we must have moles me: ooooo great! *runs out to molest ...

09:51:11 cazalla: nah that UD is wrong, least for aussie mole

09:52:04 mircea_popescu: so what's an aussie mole ?

09:52:18 cazalla: ah i'm spelling it wrong..

09:52:20 cazalla: ;;ud moll

09:52:21 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moll | moll. noun. Slang word from Gangland-era America that meant an attractive young woman. It was often used to describe a "gangster"'s love interest. Slick Dan's ...

09:52:29 mircea_popescu: heh k

09:52:31 cazalla: the fuck..

09:52:40 cazalla: wikipedia it is.. "In Australia and New Zealand, usually pejorative or self-deprecating, for a woman of loose sexual morals, a bitch, slut, or prostitute. The term can also be used for a girlfriend of a surfie or bikie."

09:53:00 mircea_popescu: so like sheila.

09:53:22 cazalla: yeah sorta

09:53:37 mircea_popescu: o btw, you ever read my aussie pron story ?

09:53:42 cazalla: but sheilas can be molls or prudes

09:54:25 cazalla: not sure.. i read one about black dicks and some other weird shit, was a bit too far out there for me (sorta reminds me of the kid at school who never stfu about sex and knew far more than he should in all honesty)

09:54:48 mircea_popescu: haha lucky we're not in school

09:54:57 mircea_popescu: wait, it's jewish school. shit.

09:55:45 cazalla: copypaste, i spoke too late, it's already on TV

09:56:16 cazalla: free publicity btw, they named your site on tv heh

10:06:39 copypaste: lel

10:06:48 copypaste: i suppose they don't care so much about the uh

10:06:56 copypaste: "privacy of the ladies"

10:07:01 copypaste: as the other pubolications

10:07:03 copypaste: ( ≖‿≖)

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10:41:25 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Je8d4CVD0w

10:41:26 assbot: copypaste cyber rapes over 500 australian women - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDAvRY )

10:41:58 copypaste: haha

10:42:09 copypaste: "terrified"

10:43:31 copypaste: that girl looks like she's never missed a meal, what's she got to be terrified of?

10:44:30 cazalla: stupid fucking molls

11:22:41 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165736 <-- I'm not sure about Shanghai but in Beijing they'll need to compete with massive population of russian girls

11:22:41 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 08:46:04; mircea_popescu: give it a little, all ohio girls be dancin' in shanghai

11:25:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00042761 = 8.5308 BTC [+] {2}

11:28:08 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165728 <-- the policy mostly over already. lines could always or never go extinct, depending on how you choose to define them.

11:28:08 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 08:44:15; mats: chinese females are predictably holding out longer and raising their standards, but thats still a lot of extinct lines

11:34:52 jurov: http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3a1hmz/if_you_label_any_new_thing_as_contentious_before/ lol such drama

11:34:53 assbot: If you label any new thing as "contentious" before a software vote can take place, that is attempted dictatorship. Theymos has just lost my support. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CdkZAi )

11:45:28 funkenstein_: a lot of contentiouses there, but not a lot of content :)

11:49:16 cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3a51q6/bitpay_falling_apart_sends_shockwaves_through_the/cs9ffoc lol top keks

11:49:17 assbot: BlockchainOfFools comments on Bitpay falling apart sends shockwaves through the ecosystem by proving Andresen and Hearn are wrong. Merchant transactions are not occurring. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CdmNJt )

11:55:10 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867175 < http://opencores.com/project,ddr2_sdram what am i missing here ?

11:55:10 assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 02:57:29; asciilifeform: but it won't work

11:55:11 assbot: DDR2 SDRAM Controller :: Overview :: OpenCores ... ( http://bit.ly/1CdnmDl )

11:57:53 kakobrekla: ah the problem is on the fpga chip side.

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13:15:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165915 << key detail: 'IP-Core : MIG V:3.6.1'. that's 'memory interface generator', xilinx's gui turd. it shits out code which is a mere wrapper on a closed-source gigantic steaming pile of shit. and the output is unique to a particular model and subtype of chip.

13:15:56 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 11:55:10; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867175 < http://opencores.com/project,ddr2_sdram what am i missing here ?

13:16:59 kakobrekla: aha

13:17:59 asciilifeform: you can pick up a textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric;

13:18:26 asciilifeform: on top of this, all of the critical paths in the circuit must have approximately same propagation delay - or the thing ~won't work at all~

13:18:40 asciilifeform: this, again, is only possible if you know the actual physical fabric (only xilix does)

13:18:48 asciilifeform: thing is, fpga is fundamentally a very cruel lie

13:19:23 asciilifeform: it gives the impression that you can actually turn any valid logical circuit into an imitation of something like slow 1980s silicon

13:19:48 asciilifeform: but in reality, you are stuck using all kinds of pre-baked pieces (adders, shifters, ddr outputs, and the routing fabric per se) baked in there by vendor

13:20:46 asciilifeform: and ~every single chip~ even from particular vendor has entirely different internals.

13:21:44 asciilifeform: the entire thing is cynically deliberate. notice how, e.g., xilinx boards, come with ethernet jack and magnetics? well, you can't actually ~use~ the ethernet without paying a per-unit license fee to the bastards

13:21:59 asciilifeform: because go and try writing own controller with anything like acceptable performance.

13:22:24 asciilifeform: sdram is the absolute worst case, because the difference between 'acceptable performance' and 'works at all, for any purpose' is slim

13:22:47 asciilifeform: because you MUST meet the dram refresh timings - or bits fall on the floor.

13:24:13 asciilifeform: you ~can~ sloppily 'bit-bang' a 10BaseT ethernet nic. but ~not~ sdram controller.

13:27:28 kakobrekla: myea

13:27:47 asciilifeform: a readily-available ~true~ fpga would be the greatest political advance in a century of electronic crud.

13:28:29 asciilifeform: thing could even have a clear lid, like the old uv-erasable eeproms, for inspection with optical microscope (the fabric would be visibly homogeneous)

13:28:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^

13:31:30 asciilifeform: there would be no valid reason for any two units, regardless of ~when~ or ~where~ made, to be distinct in any way other than size and density.

13:31:53 asciilifeform: like grid paper.

13:32:50 jurov: if only you could decide somwhow what s.nsa will be doing

13:33:18 asciilifeform: jurov: i can 'decide' all i want' 'spirit is willing but flesh is weak' in this case. unless you'd like to contribute $100B for a fab and an army

13:34:30 asciilifeform: given as presently i can't even afford to not have a day job which eats 98% of time & energy

13:37:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's point about the 'excluded middle' ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-06-2015#1163457 << thread ) is valid, but it simply means that we are falling from skyscraper and trying to invent parachute on our way down.

13:37:14 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 17:27:26; mircea_popescu: if you need anything that has to be made on something in the middle, make it now.

13:38:21 asciilifeform: i will not say with confidence that no one will ~ever~ make meaningful semiconductors in their kitchen or in the jungle. but i WILL say with confidence that no one will make meaningful semiconductors in their kitchen ~using things that have been made in today's kitchens.~

13:38:43 asciilifeform: this is an important distinction.

13:39:31 midnightmagic: metalicarap's coming. sooner or later, it'll arrive, and then it's just a matter of time to people being confident that from atomic structure on up, we can be sure that what we wanted is in fact what we have.

13:39:45 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: take a little less lsd

13:39:55 asciilifeform: occasional touch with reality is good for you

13:40:07 midnightmagic: Patience.

13:40:32 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: i don't do 'patience', i do actual understanding of physical reality vs snake oil.

13:42:52 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: meanwhile please go and 'nanofabricate atom by atom'... one mosfet. (it's been done! so what if you need a 'gigabuck' of gear to crap out an item which is worth a nanopenny...) then get back to us

13:43:29 midnightmagic: it, or something like it, will provide metal fab. at-home metal fab allows complex specialty tooling. complex specialty tooling will, eventually, allow home-fab. it is inevitable, much like the mendel was.

13:44:02 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: go and pump a high vacuum from a vessel you sintered on a 'metal printer'

13:44:08 punkman: the mendel was a big achievement?

13:44:10 asciilifeform: but please set up camera for 'darwin tube' first

13:44:17 asciilifeform: so we can watch

13:45:21 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: have you ever witnessed the operation and internals of even a very elementary 'nano' instrument such as electron microscope ?

13:45:26 midnightmagic: metalicarap is not sintering

13:46:23 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: looked it up, saw vapor-dep/sintering gadget

13:46:39 asciilifeform: *sputtering, rather than sintering

13:46:44 asciilifeform: ever sputter anything ?

13:47:16 asciilifeform: how long it took, per mm of metal deposited ? what kind of vacuum, and with what did you pump it?

13:48:15 asciilifeform: i notice that all of the illustrations on http://reprap.org/wiki/MetalicaRap are 3d renderings ...

13:48:19 assbot: MetalicaRap - RepRapWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1d0Yrw4 )

13:48:19 asciilifeform: wonder why.

13:49:31 asciilifeform: also, very amusingly, there are a total of 3 sentences casually referring to xray shielding.

13:50:19 asciilifeform: (can you say 'bremsstrahlung' kidz?!)

13:51:11 midnightmagic: it's within human patience tolerance. x-rays are a natural side-effect of high-energy electron beams hitting metals. shielding is a major consideration in the design.

13:51:16 asciilifeform: this is precisely the kind of animal mircea_popescu wrote about - idiot 'millenials' who have never so much as carved a chess set with own hands, failing to distinguish elaborate 3d drawings from actual tech

13:51:32 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: where is the evidence of any actual physical experiment by these folks ?

13:51:50 midnightmagic: lol you don't know squat about me, punk.

13:51:55 asciilifeform: i sure don't

13:51:57 midnightmagic: ain't no millennial.

13:52:08 asciilifeform: link to an item you, or colleagues, crafted with electron beam?

13:52:17 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-06-2015#1151838 < old but still http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/5217-Blocked-flights/page5

13:52:17 assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 21:47:08; punkman: why do they register these and let them show up on flightradar24?

13:52:19 assbot: Blocked flights - Page 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXW0Y7 )

13:52:29 midnightmagic: asciilifeform: It is not my design, and not my device.

13:52:32 asciilifeform: i would like, for example, to fabricate simple circuits in copper (a la pcb) with electron beam

13:52:41 asciilifeform: would love to know how to do this on a 'jungle' budget

13:53:12 asciilifeform: but so far all i see is... the apparatus described in linked www.

13:54:03 midnightmagic: the primary target is home-printed solar panelling.

13:54:51 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: would be neat. where do i go to get a 10^-4-torr vacuum pump for less than the cost of new car ?

13:55:31 asciilifeform: (i am assuming that you know what kind of pump - multiple pumps, in practice - is involved)

13:55:48 midnightmagic: gmax pointed me at one on ebay not so long ago.. it was pretty inexpensive, certainly less than I'd pay for a used car, at any rate.

13:57:48 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: i'm an aficionado of university surplus junk myself. and will point out that, even without having to pay for shipping (absolute killer, but luckily i live near one) the actual price you pay, once you factor in the cost of (sometimes unobtainable) spare parts to replace broken/missing items - is often not far from 'car'

13:58:39 asciilifeform: and often there are interesting hidden costs. for instance, i am somewhat limited in what surplus junk i can use on account of lacking 3-phase mains power

13:58:42 midnightmagic: let's.. see.. hrm. According to the log about it, there was a device capable of a couple orders of magnitude better than 10-4 torr

13:59:30 asciilifeform: sure.

14:00:10 asciilifeform: see, e.g., 'Procedures in experimental physics' (J.D. Strong) (1938 - yes) - https://archive.org/details/proceduresinexpe00stro

14:00:12 assbot: Procedures in experimental physics : Strong, John Donovan : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1d10U9H )

14:00:27 asciilifeform: many ways to pump a vacuum.

14:00:37 asciilifeform: most - known even then.

14:00:43 midnightmagic: let's see.. turbomolecular pumps..

14:00:49 asciilifeform: and have not gotten any cheaper.

14:01:44 midnightmagic: metalicarap's stated goal is standard home power source, and rapatan seems to have done a lot of homework on at least feasibility

14:02:13 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: so far all i see is 'homework'

14:02:34 asciilifeform: if you have other sources, with experiments (done on something other than $maxint machinery, surplus or not) plz link...

14:03:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49976 @ 0.00043125 = 21.5522 BTC [-]

14:03:35 asciilifeform: i, for one, only have a mechanical vacuum pump. it clatters, spits oil. would have looked at home in edison's house. i know that i will not be making so much as a triode valve with this pump.

14:03:47 asciilifeform: (does 'mean free path' mean anything to you ? or slept in 4th grade ?)

14:05:18 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: do you know kanzure ? the two of you would get on very well, i think. he's another fella who likes 'doing homework.' wrote a 'nano cad', even. (because surely - somehow - this puts us closer to actually rearranging atoms with bare hands, right? or so goes the theory)

14:06:06 midnightmagic: turbomolecular pumps on ebay seem to range from $1,000 to $3,500. I have no idea which ones would be suitable for the vacuum chamber in a mother m-rap

14:06:19 asciilifeform: (last i saw, the 'cad' did not even do anything so basic as calculating bond strain energies. because atoms == legos, apparently.)

14:06:47 midnightmagic: I'm not doing any homework. I was just curious. People can get curious about things without actually sitting there for 12 months building prototypes.

14:07:35 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: my observation was that there is a curiously large population of people who studiously avoid so much as dipping a toe into the prototype waters.

14:07:47 asciilifeform: while doing a peculiarly heavy amount of 'homework'

14:08:30 midnightmagic: That's nice. I'm going to stop doing your homework for you, now.

14:08:30 midnightmagic: \o

14:08:42 asciilifeform: l0l

14:09:16 punkman: midnightmagic: did you ever built a reprap by the way?

14:10:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00043899 = 16.8133 BTC [+] {2}

14:11:42 asciilifeform: !gettrust assbot midnightmagic

14:11:43 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user midnightmagic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=midnightmagic | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/midnightmagic/

14:14:06 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2015#1011235 << see also.

14:14:06 assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 02:47:35; mircea_popescu: trinque i think the concern is to be approached on two lines, empirically. line 1) what % of queries constitute powerplays and b) what % of queries result in interesting education that a noob reading logs would benefit from.

14:16:03 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: my original objection is to: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165955

14:16:03 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:40:07; midnightmagic: Patience.

14:16:51 asciilifeform: you would have us believe that the idiot cult of technowankerous 'homework doers' will deliver salvation re: the 'ic in your kitchen' problem. and i will say that this is not a harmless misconception.

14:17:24 asciilifeform: because they will not deliver so much as the means for making a usable steel fork. and you can take this to the bank.

14:20:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165981 << mega-l0l!

14:20:15 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:52:17; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-06-2015#1151838 < old but still http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/5217-Blocked-flights/page5

14:20:58 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: going by what is publicly known, probably something like 1 camera-shy rich fella to 10 cia 'renditions'

14:21:13 kakobrekla: heh

14:22:19 asciilifeform: 'There is a discussion on FAA meetings about encrypting the ADS-B signal. By angering the authorities, we will only speed up this process.' << holy fuck the idiocy. i have idea! let's give usg brass cars without license plates ! that way no one will ~ever~ know where they are.

14:22:42 asciilifeform: (or where to point the grenade launcher)

14:23:01 kakobrekla: could be the cam shy guy.

14:23:09 asciilifeform: srsly, hitler oughta fire these fools

14:23:20 asciilifeform: they will get him to early grave.

14:23:42 asciilifeform: (hitlers normally live ~10,000 yrs, dontchaknow)

14:31:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165778 << find us another way to amortize the cost of making so much as a z80

14:31:28 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 09:10:49; mircea_popescu: only thing another hundred twerps does for you is more inane demands.

14:32:10 asciilifeform: (yes, it no longer amortizes, because today's crop of twerps' mere ~eating~ is now -ev.)

14:32:17 asciilifeform: so soon the gears stop.

14:38:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165804 << problem is never 'where to flee,' but 'where to flee where can afford to live like gentleman.' everybody here can afford a plane ticket.

14:38:20 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 09:29:31; mats: the problem i'm faced with now is where to flee

14:38:25 asciilifeform: the problems comes after.

14:39:34 mats: will probably end up moving back to mainland

14:39:45 mats: which will be a struggle

14:39:49 asciilifeform: (and before you say 'i am willing to live like mexican', note that for ~you personally~ it will cost 50x what it does for the native-born orc. because he has the extended family, willing to live seven-to-a-room with him without murder, and you don't.)

14:40:34 asciilifeform: mats: mainland ?

14:40:42 mats: mainland china

14:40:59 asciilifeform: mats: anybody waiting for you there ?

14:42:22 mats: second cousins, mostly

14:42:23 kakobrekla: ladyboys

14:42:31 mats: and ladyboys

14:43:51 asciilifeform: mats: so possibly you have the 'seven-to-a-room' thing covered.

14:44:02 asciilifeform: but might want to check with the cousins before buying ticket.

14:44:38 mats: i am not looking forward to the culture shock

14:44:45 asciilifeform: and arrange for a letter of recommendation for lucrative job cooking 'gutter oil' or mining uranium

14:45:08 asciilifeform: (also three light-years ahead of, e.g., my own position in chinese employment market. so don't laugh)

14:46:08 jurov: so this bitcoin thing we're having here is completely useless even in such situation?

14:46:25 asciilifeform: mats: at least they have public executions. i, for instance, am living in a tyrannical empire that doesn't even have fucking public executions to watch. picture that.

14:46:46 mats: yes the executions are a big plus

14:46:51 kakobrekla: !b 2

14:46:52 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/02Q3XT0.txt )

14:47:06 asciilifeform: srsly i would buy a tourist ticket if i could be guaranteed a front seat

14:47:21 mats: folks regularly catch bullet for theft of much less than 1mn

14:47:40 asciilifeform: 'kill the chicken to teach the monkeys' (TM) (R)

14:47:41 jurov: also, i don't get how anyone in this age can *not* have some foreign acquaintances that one can be sure to not throw him under the bus

14:47:52 asciilifeform: jurov: very easily.

14:48:24 asciilifeform: (and what means 'not throw under the bus' ??)

14:48:50 jurov: that when i move there, will provide some basic information how to function

14:48:57 asciilifeform: jurov: 'function' ?

14:49:04 asciilifeform: how about employment that doesn't make one want to blow brains out?

14:49:17 asciilifeform: that was hard enough here in usa where i had 20+ yrs to make meatwot

14:49:18 jurov: i don need no fucking employment

14:49:25 asciilifeform: you and mircea - ok

14:49:55 asciilifeform: if 'don need no fucking employment' can live in antarctica. on atomic dirigible.

14:50:08 jurov: you refuse to understand

14:50:17 asciilifeform: what, in particular ?

14:51:58 jurov: people did relocate to shenzen and seem to be happy there without atomic dirigibles. how so?

14:52:10 jurov: for example

14:52:26 asciilifeform: jurov: some 'people' can 'seem happy' on a bowl of rotting rice in a day, earned by sucking 500 cocks.

14:52:28 asciilifeform: they - yes

14:52:29 asciilifeform: me - no

14:52:31 asciilifeform: it's that simple.

14:52:38 kakobrekla: jurov, ascii is not a clean burning engine

14:52:50 kakobrekla: or what was it.

14:53:44 jurov: not even chinese in shenzen eat rotting rice anymore

14:54:07 asciilifeform: jurov: what does the leisure, solitude, quiet, and good eu-style food combo cost in shenzhen ?

14:54:09 kakobrekla: only moldy now.

14:54:22 kakobrekla: cheaper in eu maybe. lol

14:54:45 asciilifeform: how about the vacuum pump from earlier thread ?

14:55:13 jurov: they surely are doing things that need hard vacuum in shenzen. maybe even more than in wash dc

14:55:24 asciilifeform: jurov: things with very clear ROI

14:56:33 jurov: and as for leisure, solitude, quiet, food.. you can find a fault with some of these things anywhere

14:56:52 asciilifeform: jurov: not speaking of 'find a fault' but 'minimal acceptable' here

14:57:06 asciilifeform: where in shenzhen can i live without ~hearing smelling~ the locals?

14:57:39 asciilifeform: can i get real (read: ru or identical) chocolate there? at what cost/gram ?

14:58:06 asciilifeform: how many disease carriers will have to run shoulders with every day ?

14:58:11 asciilifeform: *rub

14:58:28 mats: http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/17/uber-drivers-deemed-employees-by-california-labor-commission via hn

14:58:30 assbot: Uber Drivers Deemed Employees By California Labor Commission | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOHtNl )

14:58:35 asciilifeform: and, more to the point, why am i there at all? who asked for me there, paid ?

14:59:12 kakobrekla: elephant trunk for example :)

14:59:20 mats: i sure hope they win their appeal

14:59:27 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: checked my mailbox this morning. no telegram from chinese emperor asking for it.

14:59:33 kakobrekla: dang.

14:59:37 kakobrekla: lets try the afternoon.

14:59:54 jurov: guess you got typical usuan disease. freaks out at the thought of staying outside of The Standard Environment

14:59:59 asciilifeform: mats: glad that you mentioned this. because i did an experiment, and forgot to speak of it. actually tried to ride 'uber.' (did it once before, at an airport, and it sorta worked.) but this time the car approached, clearly saw me, and ... kept going. inside was a gaggle of college 'bros' all holding iPnohes.

15:00:00 jurov: *usian

15:00:14 asciilifeform: jurov is quite mistaken.

15:00:20 kakobrekla: jurov he is caught in local pain minimum

15:00:40 mats: that's weird, Uber isn't a ride sharing bidness

15:00:50 asciilifeform: mats: it most certainly is not

15:01:00 asciilifeform: mats: which is why i suspect that a new scam was invented

15:01:04 jurov: but insisting that there is even no quality chocolate? what do the chinese rich eat, flavored vegetable oil?

15:01:15 asciilifeform: whereby a bunch of folks pretend to be an uber 'cabbie' and 'pick up' customers

15:01:16 jurov: with honkgkong next door?

15:01:35 asciilifeform: i suspect that the iPnohe only checks that a chump has been 'picked up', but not delivered

15:01:39 asciilifeform: (on gps coords)

15:01:54 asciilifeform: so gaggle of 'dudebros' sits all in one 'cab' and rakes in the dough.

15:01:56 mats: chinese uber is getting raped in this way

15:02:03 asciilifeform: this was on a u.s. university campus

15:02:25 mats: folks abusing promotional $30 ride credit

15:02:26 asciilifeform: i filled a knapsack with books and didn't feel like trudging home in the 99% humidity

15:02:33 asciilifeform: ended up doing so anyway

15:03:04 asciilifeform: best part - they charged me five bux to 'cance;

15:03:05 asciilifeform: l

15:03:25 mats: ive never experienced your particular problem before

15:03:37 mats: have taken at least a hundred rides now

15:03:42 asciilifeform: (wrote hate mail, they 'gave it back' as shop credit. as if i have much desire for this service now)

15:03:53 asciilifeform: may depend on locale

15:04:04 mats: slave labor beats car ownership

15:04:28 asciilifeform: if i used 'uber' for commute, could easily sum to cost of a nice car every month...

15:05:32 funkenstein_: didi kuadi and others kicking uber ass in beijing

15:06:19 funkenstein_: also i can look for 10^-4 torr vacuum providers

15:06:59 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: while you're at it, compute the cost of a 10km^2 opaque bubble for me to live in there.

15:07:15 mircea_popescu: ahhh, another 2. at this rate i'll be rich!

15:07:54 mircea_popescu: oh yeah, and while at it alf, compute the cost of raising ten children off three different women, also sight unseen.

15:07:55 funkenstein_: pure diamond ok ascii?

15:08:02 jurov: alf now requires hard vacuum to live?

15:08:18 asciilifeform: jurov: i can do without hard vacuum (hard enough to get it here)

15:08:22 asciilifeform: but not without the entire orchestra

15:08:24 mircea_popescu: because if we're doing the entire "here's some random shit i came up with, do planning for it", might as well.

15:08:45 mircea_popescu: you know, naggum had a very unflattering piece re this approach, alf.

15:08:53 asciilifeform: the given example was anything but random.

15:08:57 mircea_popescu: something about norwegian meteorology.

15:09:01 asciilifeform: it's back to the 'living vs existing' thread.

15:09:13 asciilifeform: why not i move to beijing straight to the jail?

15:09:16 mircea_popescu: "opaque 10skm bubble" is not random ?

15:09:19 asciilifeform: answer: i can sit in the american jail now!

15:09:26 asciilifeform: closer to home

15:09:33 mircea_popescu: forget that part.

15:09:47 mircea_popescu: you're not liable to get anywhere by simply following your own mental narrative in circles.

15:10:04 mircea_popescu: did you or did you not say 10 sqkm opaque bubble, and is it or is it not 15yo cocklet-ism

15:10:12 jurov: mircea_popescu: it comes out that if you ever decide to relocate alf, will need to manage it and provide usg-level amenities

15:10:23 asciilifeform: cartoon example, ferphuxxsake

15:10:27 mircea_popescu: no.

15:10:41 mats: lol

15:10:46 mircea_popescu: that's the exact problem in discussion here. you're freely mixing cartoons and footage, for a very lsd-looking example.

15:10:52 mircea_popescu: stick to one or the other.

15:11:14 asciilifeform: entire discussion isn't firmly grounded in reality. no one asked for me in shenzhen, or will.

15:11:34 mircea_popescu: yes, the best dreams start with a twisted version of reality.

15:11:38 mircea_popescu: the worst dreams never end.

15:11:40 kakobrekla: jurov> alf now requires hard vacuum to live? < lmao

15:12:02 asciilifeform: live/exist

15:12:18 mircea_popescu: i wonder if aiming to be a spherical chicken makes one transfat ?

15:14:14 asciilifeform: i have lived in cities. in crappy soviet dwellings, with little room to move, even. in order to do this again voluntarily i would want something very valuable in return. such as not having to work for a living ever.

15:15:09 asciilifeform: would have to stick to mathematics, probably. (can one even get unfiltered internet in shenzhen ?)

15:15:16 mircea_popescu: the notion that future you asks past you anything at all is very 16yo-ish female in kabul sort of thought. it's not how it works.

15:15:27 mircea_popescu: "oh in order to put up with what my mother puts up with i will want blabla"

15:15:29 asciilifeform: no one asked me, aha.

15:15:36 asciilifeform: which is why the whole thing is an acid trip

15:15:38 mircea_popescu: nobody ever gave a shit. least of all the girly in discussion once she's 17.5

15:15:50 asciilifeform: the only thing i might be asked is if i'd like to be shot in the head or chest

15:15:57 mircea_popescu: dubious

15:16:03 asciilifeform: and that's only if interlocutor is feeling charitable.

15:16:04 mircea_popescu: i remember some guy paying a lot of money for that sort of thing

15:16:07 mircea_popescu: and still not getting it

15:16:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha!

15:16:14 asciilifeform: jack ketch took tips, famously!

15:16:18 asciilifeform: remember him

15:16:37 funkenstein_: vpn is slow over there but works as you'd expect

15:16:45 asciilifeform: as pictured in the well-loved 'baroque cycle' by n. stephenson

15:17:00 asciilifeform: little boys would earn pennies by pulling on legs of hanging men at tyburn

15:17:09 asciilifeform: (they paid on the gallows in advance)

15:17:41 asciilifeform: idk if i'll pay. what'll i do if the kid refuses to pull? negrate him as i swing ?

15:19:05 asciilifeform: at any rate, if the thread were about things that are ~likely to~ happen to me, vs 'what i'd like', it'd be much shorter and even more boring.

15:19:54 asciilifeform: as it is, i fully expect to envy the '16yo-ish female in kabul

15:19:58 asciilifeform: '

15:20:03 funkenstein_: and there's stephenson again today :D

15:20:33 kakobrekla: that girl dosnt get us or ru grade chocolate

15:20:49 asciilifeform: she does get to not be fed into a woodchipper feet first, for example

15:22:07 asciilifeform: also the gurl has valuable illiquid asset.

15:22:14 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165947 dont see how this could be worse someplace else

15:22:14 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:34:30; asciilifeform: given as presently i can't even afford to not have a day job which eats 98% of time & energy

15:22:43 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: very easily. could, like 99.999% of the others, have this +plus+ no money

15:22:52 mats: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/06/11/1616215/ubers-rise-in-china-may-be-counterfeit << what i was referencing earlier

15:22:54 assbot: Uber's Rise In China May Be Counterfeit - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GONtWB )

15:22:54 asciilifeform: (and no chocolate)

15:23:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it's valuable, it's pretty sopping liquid alright

15:23:10 *: asciilifeform knew mircea_popescu would say this ^ !

15:23:11 asciilifeform: l0l

15:23:45 mircea_popescu: i just saw "love me or live me" last night. story of fucking america retold as being being built by a sucker labouring atop a dry cunt.

15:23:57 funkenstein_: my sources tell me uber is for 外国人

15:23:58 mircea_popescu: very innerving movie.

15:23:59 mats: somehow the 'we have a terrible business plan' has yet again transmogrified into the old 'omg the chinese are counterfeiting again' narrative

15:24:43 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it also matters ~what~ the 98% is spent doing

15:25:23 kakobrekla: for the price of your life

15:25:33 asciilifeform: everybody dies.

15:25:37 asciilifeform: can't buy out of it.

15:25:46 kakobrekla: your estimates are rather short.

15:25:53 asciilifeform: 'life' per se isn't worth much.

15:26:05 *: funkenstein_ is happy some of that time is spent teaching the kids in b-a

15:26:15 kakobrekla: well you can do 2% cleaning toilets and 98% whatever else

15:26:32 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wake me up when cleaning toilet pays 1000/min

15:26:37 mircea_popescu: where's that cleaning toilets pic i had...

15:26:52 mircea_popescu: it actually paid something like 2k/session.

15:26:56 kakobrekla: the golden ones ?

15:27:01 mircea_popescu: but you'll have to get in shape, alf.

15:27:06 mircea_popescu: and i mean, tits and all.

15:27:07 asciilifeform: (and when magical fairy dust is sprinkled on planet so the 1000/minute cleaners do not move prices of anything at all)

15:27:22 asciilifeform: !s boys are worthless

15:27:23 assbot: 0 results for 'boys are worthless' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=boys+are+worthless

15:27:31 asciilifeform: !s boys worthless

15:27:31 assbot: 0 results for 'boys worthless' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=boys+worthless

15:27:36 asciilifeform: l0lwat

15:27:49 asciilifeform: i distinctly recall when mircea_popescu wrote this important truth

15:27:49 kakobrekla: !s girls worthless

15:27:50 assbot: 2 results for 'girls worthless' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=girls+worthless

15:28:02 kakobrekla: ba search fight

15:28:39 *: asciilifeform guesses that '2k per session' was gurl, cleaning with own tongue

15:28:49 asciilifeform: and not toilet, but arse directly

15:29:05 mircea_popescu: incidentally this is pretty good http://41.media.tumblr.com/77fad6553eebe3a966ae330338774d5f/tumblr_netmudh2oj1u31v3yo1_1280.jpg

15:29:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOP26Q )

15:29:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prison tattoo ?

15:29:49 mircea_popescu: yeah, from the californy.

15:29:57 asciilifeform: (looks drawn with marker)

15:30:18 kakobrekla: it did say 'permanent' on the marker.

15:30:24 mircea_popescu: ohohohhhhohh http://40.media.tumblr.com/04851812b3a6940ce2fe539a341532ab/tumblr_nov5eeXrbc1uqdoi9o2_1280.jpg

15:30:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOPge6 )

15:30:26 mircea_popescu: annnd http://40.media.tumblr.com/5f304a0119aa3b6d726fda2ce9c9859b/tumblr_nov5eeXrbc1uqdoi9o3_1280.jpg

15:30:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOPf9W )

15:30:29 asciilifeform: will guess that schmuck fell down, drunkenly, and was 'illustrated' after his clothes were stolen

15:30:38 mircea_popescu: let jurov never say i don't have anything in this vein.

15:30:48 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha kakobrekla

15:31:10 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/0c11d9aa7d5866207330a96f1df20689/tumblr_nov5eeXrbc1uqdoi9o5_1280.jpg last one with toyota monkey.

15:31:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOPnGA )

15:33:13 *: jurov 's not sying anything

15:33:31 mircea_popescu: is he hot btw ?

15:34:07 midnightmagic: That moron should be wearing shoes, those rocks are sharp.

15:34:07 mircea_popescu: i know girly doing that number'd pretty much look hot regardless. but the straight me thinks it's rather disqualifying for a man.

15:34:26 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic maybe it adds to the value proposition.

15:34:44 midnightmagic: "I can take a good sole-caning"?

15:35:07 mircea_popescu: something like that. prolly phrased by original author more in the vein of "i jus dun care!11"

15:35:32 mircea_popescu: drive fast die young leaving a wholly pierced foot sole.

15:36:27 jurov: not my type, i'm more for bears

15:36:27 *: asciilifeform bbl, off to polish golden toilet

15:36:54 kakobrekla: do it with roughsandpaper.

15:37:02 mircea_popescu: in protest

15:37:09 kakobrekla: and collect.

15:37:12 midnightmagic: Notice the lack of foot arches. I thought that was a sign of a lack of exercise.

15:37:36 mircea_popescu: flat feet's just the sign of peasantish genetics.

15:38:19 mircea_popescu: (and the original reason high heels were invented. if the girl's properly heeled, you can't tell)

15:38:48 midnightmagic: huh. could've sworn it was an exercise thing.

15:40:28 mircea_popescu: nah, all children are born with flat feet among numerous other diformities. some never grow out of it

15:40:51 mircea_popescu: like some never grow out of the other infantile deformities.

15:46:51 mircea_popescu: "qntra.net is a rabid bitcoin maximalist blog, run by one of the permanent fixtures in the #bitcoin-asshats tribe.

15:46:52 mircea_popescu: These guys believe, without a trace of irony, that there will someday be no other currency than Bitcoin"

15:46:56 mircea_popescu: wait, we believe this now ?

15:47:16 shinohai: wut

15:47:23 mircea_popescu: i thought we were the only ones left that actually believe there is a place for scrip like usd & the rest of the fiats, doing roughly the job of movie tickets and coffee coupons

15:47:40 mircea_popescu: meanwhile reddit iirc was rabidly "bitcoin must have endless blocks to be the only currency".

15:47:48 mircea_popescu: very weird what conclusions stupid ends up with.

15:48:20 shinohai: If yu want rabid inflation that having no hard limits on blocks causes, try doge.

15:49:22 mircea_popescu: oh, wait, reddit was already publicly humiliated ?

15:49:33 mircea_popescu: no wait, that must be wrong. it was... oh... uh... iot was a DIFFERENT REDDIT!111

15:49:50 mircea_popescu: i didn't stomp all over their stupid faces those were different faces of different anon derps. this time it'll work!!!

15:49:52 mircea_popescu: etc.

15:50:06 mircea_popescu: oh yes, reddit's real life hasn't begun yet!

15:50:10 mircea_popescu: i forgot that part.

15:51:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165927 << this specific bit should be measurable no ?

15:51:00 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:17:59; asciilifeform: you can pick up a textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric;

15:51:13 mircea_popescu: i am not for a moment arguing against the closed turdness approach ddram is wrapped in

15:51:24 mircea_popescu: just ftr.

15:52:09 mircea_popescu: (and similarly prop delays are an empirical phenomenon, cheaper to measure than to make a new chip)

15:56:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165942 << i doubt you can look through a clear lid with a microscope and get much valuae. it'd have to be a pretty expensive lid.

15:56:45 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:28:48; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^

15:56:50 mircea_popescu: made by zeiss

15:59:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165957 << this is you know, like saying that "printed matter powered education is nonsense, it costs more to write the infolios than an entire campus of ivy league's worth". or, for that matter, "it takes more work to program a sound card than it takes to think through all the problems humanity has thought through so far".

15:59:43 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:42:52; asciilifeform: midnightmagic: meanwhile please go and 'nanofabricate atom by atom'... one mosfet. (it's been done! so what if you need a 'gigabuck' of gear to crap out an item which is worth a nanopenny...) then get back to us

16:00:18 mircea_popescu: yes, that so far is right. the thing it fails to account for is that roads create traffic, not the other way around. it's not need that creates advance, as the idiots writing schoolbooks claim. the other way around.

16:01:16 mircea_popescu: and consequently this whole story is moot other than for the similarity with the past. it took the magical box allowing you to talk to people over the ethers a few decades to arrive starting in the 70s, or a few millenia to arrive starting pre caesar. in the interval, cellphones were mostly magic rings.

16:02:11 mircea_popescu: now we understand that retrospectively, the chord in phones is not a requirement but an anachronism, and we expect everything be available as wired or wireless at our option. but the wired/wireless dichotomy was not even meaningful to bell, or marconi.

16:02:44 mircea_popescu: yes they understood that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but they did not understand what they were doing was "sending communication" in these terms, or in short they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is.

16:02:50 mircea_popescu: so, im sure he has it. patience.

16:03:57 kakobrekla: patience and patients. so close.

16:22:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3627 @ 0.00043716 = 1.5856 BTC [+]

16:42:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31249 @ 0.00044452 = 13.8908 BTC [+] {2}

16:43:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150414 @ 0.00044499 = 66.9327 BTC [+] {2}

17:06:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22071 @ 0.00044528 = 9.8278 BTC [+] {2}

17:12:09 thestringpuller: has there been discussion here on BIP-100 yet?

17:12:15 thestringpuller: i don't see anything in the logs.

17:17:08 danielpbarron: !up referredbyloper

17:17:51 kakobrekla: heh

17:17:52 kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/0TF2ZGD.txt

17:17:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1d1uUSM )

17:19:21 BingoBoingo: lol kakobrekla very small orders

17:20:01 kakobrekla: 400k active users is everyone who ever visited their webpage + theri dog + webrobots

17:24:15 mats: Unauthorized Cross-App Resource Access on OS X and iOS http://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.06836v1.pdf

17:24:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1d1vuAb )

17:25:54 mats: note that this has been unpatched for ~6mos

17:29:13 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:30:20 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166281 << everything is 'measurable.' but you have to be ~able to lay out the circuit physically~ rather than merely mathematically to get the guaranteed equal delays. as in, you have to have knowledge of ~all~ addressable part of the fpga.

17:30:20 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 15:51:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165927 << this specific bit should be measurable no ?

17:30:49 ascii_field: i will remind readers that reversing fpga is not impossible, and has been done. but takes ~20 years and chip is usually unobtainable after 5-10 (sooner if vendor learns that you're doing this)

17:31:09 ascii_field: aaaand it is done by tearing apart the (x86) toolchain, rather than the chip

17:31:32 ascii_field: the entire thing, note, is built specifically around making this activity as unpleasant and expensive as possible.

17:32:11 ascii_field: (xilinx, altera, actel, etc. ~all~ make the bulk of their revenue by charging rent for 'properties' like 'the right to have a network card' in your fpga)

17:32:47 menahem: ;;later tell williamdunne it's live: https://koinswag.com/shop/bitcoin-t-shirt/mircea-popescu-bitcoin-t-shirt/

17:32:49 assbot: Mircea Popescu Bitcoin T-Shirt - KOIN ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4qV6o )

17:32:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:32:52 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166285 << it most assuredly is not. and on top of it, as soon as you're anywhere near done, they make a new and entirely incompatible one.

17:32:52 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 15:52:09; mircea_popescu: (and similarly prop delays are an empirical phenomenon, cheaper to measure than to make a new chip)

17:33:14 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166286 << quartz

17:33:14 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 15:56:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165942 << i doubt you can look through a clear lid with a microscope and get much valuae. it'd have to be a pretty expensive lid.

17:34:27 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166294 << wtf - maxwell understood, and so well that he couldn't even be bothered to ~do~ it

17:34:27 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 16:02:44; mircea_popescu: yes they understood that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but they did not understand what they were doing was "sending communication" in these terms, or in short they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is.

17:34:28 shinohai: Thank you menahem, I bookmarked. My world is not complete without a mircea popescu cult t-shirt.

17:34:52 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166295 << the process to which the fool was referring IS NOT HAPPENING

17:34:52 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 16:02:50; mircea_popescu: so, im sure he has it. patience.

17:35:05 ascii_field: no one is working on desktop ic fab.

17:35:20 ascii_field: not in any way that leaves any public evidence of itself whatsoever, at any rate!

17:35:37 ascii_field: (morons pulling their cocks in 'nanotech'-flavoured ways does NOT count as work)

17:36:06 ascii_field: it isn't happening or so much as credibly threatening to happen

17:36:13 menahem: bahaha shinohai - it was a must. :D

17:36:37 ascii_field: and the folks who have notions that it is, demonstrate a total black-as-night unmarred by any light ignorance of the physical basics involved

17:36:57 shinohai: I want to take a picture of myself wearing it and post it to reddit to see how many downvotes I get :D

17:37:24 menahem: hahaha, imagine a team of us.

17:38:23 mats: you're embarrassing

17:39:51 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166286 << Aaaalso - you don't need to distinguish features to prove homogeneous circuit. can use... optical comparator (ask a machinist. 1910s tech.)

17:39:51 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 15:56:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165942 << i doubt you can look through a clear lid with a microscope and get much valuae. it'd have to be a pretty expensive lid.

17:40:07 ascii_field: (homogeneous - per 'specificity of diddling' theorem)

17:41:22 menahem: mats, whom ?

17:46:33 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166292 << today we learn that mircea_popescu is actually an immortal (greek?) god and reasons in the timescale of immortal being

17:46:33 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 16:01:16; mircea_popescu: and consequently this whole story is moot other than for the similarity with the past. it took the magical box allowing you to talk to people over the ethers a few decades to arrive starting in the 70s, or a few millenia to arrive starting pre caesar. in the interval, cellphones were mostly magic rings.

17:52:39 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166318 <-- and Atmel too on satellites? How does this work in practice, do you buy schematics?

17:52:39 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 17:32:11; ascii_field: (xilinx, altera, actel, etc. ~all~ make the bulk of their revenue by charging rent for 'properties' like 'the right to have a network card' in your fpga)

17:53:19 ascii_field: funkenstein_: the way it works is that there is literally no way to build a 'bitstream' (as the configs are called) for a chip without using vendor's turd toolchain

17:54:01 funkenstein_: which requires, logging into server or something?

17:54:03 ascii_field: and if you want, e.g., a 100BaseT nic, or sdram controller, it has to be laid out mainly by hand using floor plan of the particular chip and explicit coordinates. which vendor can do, and you (user) cannot.

17:54:13 ascii_field: funkenstein_: no, it runs on pc

17:54:24 ascii_field: think several GB of obfuscated crud

17:54:42 funkenstein_: so, the turdchain phones home?

17:55:01 ascii_field: funkenstein_: some of them - this too

17:55:15 ascii_field: but a properly-cracked one will not

17:55:28 funkenstein_: that is fucked btw.. why can't they charge for the hardware?

17:55:35 funkenstein_: yeah that was my next question :)

17:56:00 ascii_field: funkenstein_: they -also- charge $maxint for the hardware

17:56:05 ascii_field: who said they didn't

17:56:23 ascii_field: price some of the larger xilinx chips

17:56:27 ascii_field: well into 4-digits usd

17:56:28 ascii_field: some - 5

17:57:06 funkenstein_: so properly cracked turds will get you out of the extra charges for.. using the hardware you paid for?

17:57:21 ascii_field: (and only a paid-up, to the tune of 100K+ usd, or well-cracked, xilinx toolchain, will even talk to the $200-300 ones)

17:57:41 ascii_field: funkenstein_: the extra charges, but not the retardation

17:58:04 ascii_field: (of having to use the gui, every time you get a slightly variant chip, and of never coming remotely close to understanding wtf is in the black box)

17:58:33 ascii_field: considering that to me, the ~whole fucking point~ of fpga is to get a computer which ~i and only i~ define

17:58:38 ascii_field: it's a total scam.

17:59:11 funkenstein_: wow, no wonder the era of fpga mining didn't last long

17:59:20 ascii_field: funkenstein_: aaaactually

17:59:22 ascii_field: it continues

17:59:23 kakobrekla: has nothing to do with it.

17:59:25 ascii_field: !s hard copy asic

17:59:26 assbot: 2 results for 'hard copy asic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hard+copy+asic

17:59:34 ascii_field: today's 'asics' are scams

17:59:41 funkenstein_: ah ha

17:59:45 ascii_field: (they are fpga with hardcoded metallization layer)

18:00:12 kakobrekla: !up ascii_field

18:00:17 kakobrekla: eh srsly

18:01:52 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:01:56 ascii_field: kakobrekla: at the very least, every single one of the ~publicly sold~ chips, afaik, fits this description as per the published specs.

18:02:59 kakobrekla: yeah just that the era of fpgas he meant was over purely because of economics

18:04:17 funkenstein_: "In your labyrinthine journey, [..] in the world of iron, learn to catch the thought behind the machine or it will swallow you."

18:04:43 ascii_field: kakobrekla: 'hard copy fpga' has fixed metal, rather than sram LUTs for routing matrix. so slightly faster (and significantly cheaper to manufacture) than ordinary fpga

18:04:54 ascii_field: but it is still not a true asic, because the pieces are not movable

18:05:12 ascii_field: which is to say, they are all over the place and connected by the equivalent of very long wires

18:05:32 funkenstein_: so the big guns aren't out yet

18:05:34 ascii_field: and you don't have the ones you might like, but solely the ones the chip came with from xilinx etc

18:05:59 ascii_field: funkenstein_: they are out, but belong to usg & its antipodal counterparts

18:06:07 ascii_field: not to schmucks on the street

18:06:14 funkenstein_: and are they firing?

18:07:00 ascii_field: funkenstein_: mircea_popescu and the little birds who whisper in his ear say 'yes'

18:07:00 *: funkenstein_ ducks and covers

18:07:09 ascii_field: me, how the fuck would i know

18:07:40 ascii_field: the only fact ~i~ know is that the network hash sum does not even begin to be accounted for by even the most liberal estimate of miner machines publicly sold to date

18:08:00 ascii_field: but this is known to ~everyone~, even homo redditicus

18:08:04 ascii_field: make of it what you will.

18:09:17 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166265 << didja have quack snake-oil 'cures' for flat feet in ro ?

18:09:17 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 15:40:28; mircea_popescu: nah, all children are born with flat feet among numerous other diformities. some never grow out of it

18:09:23 ascii_field: we sure did in su

18:14:28 punkman: "In addition to calling for resignations, Lieu asked OPM to show some remorse. “One word I haven’t heard is sorry,” Lieu said. “When is OPM going to apologize to federal employees?”"

18:14:40 punkman: http://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2015/06/opm-will-soon-notify-new-wave-workers-their-data-was-hacked/115441/

18:14:41 assbot: OPM Will Soon Notify New Wave of Workers Their Data Was Hacked - Pay & Benefits - GovExec.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPhZj6 )

18:15:15 ascii_field: “When is OPM going to apologize to federal employees?”" << 'when the crayfish whistles on the mountain, and the fish in the sea begin to sing' (tm) (r) (ru)

18:16:32 punkman: "Rather than immediately encrypt data, OPM plans to reduce the number of computer users with access to systems and require multistep login verifications, she said. OPM's fiscal 2016 request for congressional funding asks for an additional $21 million"

18:16:48 punkman: they are gonna get paid of course

18:17:51 ascii_field: meanwhile, http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cia-john-brennan-financial.pdf http://cryptome.org/2015/06/dni-james-clapper-financial.pdf << mircea_popescu tell me again how these buggers are 'poor'

18:17:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPiqK7 )

18:18:02 punkman: "The day after the breach was made public, OPM finalized a more than $20 million deal with Winvale Group to start notifying individuals "within 48 hours of award.""

18:18:12 ascii_field: ^ and this is just the ~publicly disclosed~ income

18:18:34 *: ascii_field l0lz re: herr clapper owning facebook stock

18:20:46 ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/nsa-susan-rice-financial.pdf << see also

18:21:43 mircea_popescu: o holy log lol.

18:21:46 mircea_popescu: !up tcrypt

18:22:06 ascii_field: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-magical-content-tree.html << where herr orlov contemplates cribbing mircea_popescu's 'pay per article' thing

18:22:07 assbot: ClubOrlov: The Magical Content Tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPj22j )

18:22:23 mircea_popescu: we wish him luck...

18:22:34 ascii_field: i don't think they have bitcoin on his planet yet, though

18:22:40 mircea_popescu: tho... didn't he just beg a few k's recently to buy himself a new mayo dildo or something ?

18:22:44 ascii_field: 15k

18:22:46 ascii_field: diesel

18:23:02 mircea_popescu: what more does he want exactly ?

18:23:13 ascii_field: looks like he has... 14,314

18:23:22 ascii_field: (goal 15,956)

18:23:35 mircea_popescu: iirc baseline is a dollar a day, so... there's his lifetime income

18:23:38 mircea_popescu: what more does he want.

18:23:49 ascii_field: wai wut

18:23:51 ascii_field: baseline ?

18:23:59 mircea_popescu: yeah.

18:23:59 ascii_field: for whom? beggar in calcutta ?

18:24:08 mircea_popescu: earht average.

18:24:23 ascii_field: earth average is a bacterium.

18:24:25 mircea_popescu: this is what we are proceeding on, right ? "human"

18:24:29 ascii_field: i don't think they've invented begging yet

18:27:33 ascii_field: btw as a long-time reader of herr orlov, i can't help but notice that he spat on diesels and bragged about a seldom-used ('only in doldrumss') outboard petrol engine

18:27:46 mircea_popescu: aha

18:27:58 ascii_field: but then he birthed a son, and bought a boat 2x the size

18:28:14 mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall this, like i vaguely recall his being the sort that's "correct in the broad strokes but entirely out of small change" as the expression goes.

18:28:15 ascii_field: (and perhaps doesn't quite have the stamina to single-handedly operate the sails any more ?)

18:28:28 mircea_popescu: god help you if you start factchecking anything he says. very yarvinesque habit this

18:28:50 ascii_field: he wrote a whole piece about how he threw the decrepit diesel out of the original boat's bilge to make a storage room

18:30:47 ascii_field: for those who are ~not~ readers of mr o - his 'post-collapse future business' schtick is based on 'fossil-fuel-free freight along u.s. coasts using sailboats'

18:31:12 ascii_field: apparently now is not yet the time to practice this ?

18:31:29 ascii_field: or what, he likes the smell of diesel smoke ?

18:32:23 funkenstein_: "But this is the new lay of the land; we can't change it, and we can't ignore it."

18:32:50 mats: har, acquaintances are receiving emails about their OPM file being compromised

18:32:58 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:33:37 ascii_field: can't wait for the fake ones

18:33:52 ascii_field: (how do you propose to authenticate the 'leaks' ?)

18:34:37 ascii_field: 'we ALWAYS knew he was obama's gay playmate!!11'

18:36:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1000 @ 0.00111 = 1.11 BTC

18:36:56 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166431 << ftr the 'dollar a day' thing is nonsense if you compute even the most conservative monetary estimate for the 'systematic' things the beggar was born with.

18:36:56 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 18:24:08; mircea_popescu: earht average.

18:37:17 ascii_field: e.g., kin, street smarts learned from boyhood, etc.

18:37:20 ascii_field: !s gemeinschaft

18:37:21 assbot: 1 results for 'gemeinschaft' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gemeinschaft

18:37:49 mircea_popescu: ascii_field seinfeld has an episode about this fundamentally female method of authentication ("i always wanted for him to drag me by the hair in this alley and stretch my anus"). elaine explains that "Cause if we're dating, what everyone saw was just a beautiful moment between two lovers"

18:38:08 *: ascii_field totally perplexed

18:38:48 mircea_popescu: and you don't "compute the dollar equivalent value" of non-dollar things, because you're not trying to recreate the bezzle.

18:38:53 ascii_field: well sure

18:38:54 mircea_popescu: instead, you either have tyhem or fucking die.

18:39:05 ascii_field: but you ~also~ don't say 'beggar is living on $1/day'

18:39:10 ascii_field: because this is not factually correct

18:39:27 mircea_popescu: factually, it is correct.

18:39:31 mircea_popescu: politically, it is inconvenient.

18:39:32 ascii_field: he is living on $1 of rice + $xxxx of other-things-which-aren't-available-to-me-if-i-get-parachuted-into-calcutta

18:39:34 mircea_popescu: but factually, it is correct.

18:39:42 mircea_popescu: tough. that just means you suck

18:39:47 mircea_popescu: it does not mean his dollar is not a dollar.

18:39:59 ascii_field: on how many dollars a day does pufferfish live in the sea ?

18:40:04 ascii_field: even less than $1

18:40:10 ascii_field: we ~all~ 'suck' compared to him ?

18:40:20 mircea_popescu: not a valid comparison.

18:40:20 funkenstein_: just not as free

18:40:29 mircea_popescu: you are proposing the indian is not human now ?

18:40:43 ascii_field: not a category i deal with

18:40:52 ascii_field: because not idempotent

18:40:54 mircea_popescu: let me put it this way :

18:40:55 ascii_field: (as shown above)

18:41:10 ascii_field: he cannot funciton in my element. or i - in his. like the fish.

18:41:19 funkenstein_: the calcutttan has no option to go to supermarket dumpster

18:41:20 mircea_popescu: the notion that you are anything different from the calcutta beggar may be contemplatef IF and ONLY IF you never have to wonder what'd you do in calcutta.

18:41:25 mircea_popescu: otherwise, a dollar a day.

18:41:40 ascii_field: ever contemplate what you'll do 1km below the sea?

18:41:47 mircea_popescu: never have to wonder either because you know or it can't happen, but never have to wonder.

18:41:53 ascii_field: can easily happen

18:41:54 ascii_field: boats sink

18:41:57 mircea_popescu: i'd drown.

18:41:58 ascii_field: and so do airplanes

18:42:07 ascii_field: aha, drown like gentleman ! (Tm) (R) (brit empire)

18:42:12 mircea_popescu: what would you do ?

18:42:15 ascii_field: same!

18:42:15 mircea_popescu: compute the dollar value ?

18:42:19 mircea_popescu: so then

18:42:20 ascii_field: bubble a bit.

18:42:30 mircea_popescu: lol

18:42:46 ascii_field: i imagine i'd bubble a bit in calcutta as well, before going under.

18:43:00 ascii_field: (for how long is anyone's guess)

18:45:20 ascii_field: but i don't imagine that i'll learn to breathe water and become kind of the ocean in a few weeks. and if mircea_popescu can do this, we should all learn from him.

18:45:28 ascii_field: *king

18:45:52 mircea_popescu: the ocean has nothing to do with it.

18:49:53 ascii_field: obligatory old thread >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-04-2015#1094169

18:49:53 assbot: Logged on 09-04-2015 20:47:43; ascii_field: mircea_popescu could convince an eskimo that he is an eskimo ?

18:51:08 punkman: http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/06/16/2132043/bitcoin-opec-favours-8mb-blocksize-increase/

18:51:10 assbot: Bitcoin Opec favours 8MB blocksize increase | FT Alphaville ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPnQVq )

18:52:04 ascii_field: ^^ does not display for me

18:52:06 ascii_field: punkman ^

18:52:08 ascii_field: dpaste plz ?

18:52:45 punkman: http://dpaste.com/1R2X0V7

18:52:47 assbot: dpaste: 1R2X0V7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPo5Qu )

18:52:52 ascii_field: ty punkman

18:53:28 punkman: "opec"...

18:53:28 scoopbot_revived: Eulora Resurgent http://fraudsters.com/2015/eulora-resurgent/

18:53:30 ascii_field: lulz. 'bitcoin opec.' where is bitcoin nato? is it invading ru yet ?

18:53:38 ascii_field: and what of the bitcoin vatican ?

18:53:42 ascii_field: does it bugger boys ?

18:53:45 mircea_popescu: wtf is "opec"

18:54:06 ascii_field: www.opec.org << the usual opec ?

18:54:28 mircea_popescu: can these gawker-clones be any more fucking retarded already ?>

18:54:39 mircea_popescu: by now they're reporting nonsense out of a whjolly imagined pseudoreality

18:54:50 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and they were not, 2+ yrs ago ?

18:55:24 ascii_field: it was ~always~ a pseudoreality, from at least william randolph hearst and up

18:55:43 ascii_field: just that they previously had more luck with gluing pseudoreality-display helmets on people's heads

18:55:59 mircea_popescu: there's a lot of difference between the mild idiocy of hearst and the down syndrome of "ft alphaville" etc

18:56:10 mircea_popescu: about the same as between the calcutta beggar and the pufferfish

18:56:36 ascii_field: more like the diff b/w/ mild eccentricity and full blown schizo

18:56:48 mircea_popescu: right.

18:57:26 ascii_field: 'The bitcoin miners of China agree that the blocksize must be increased' << l0l wat? said who ?

18:57:30 mircea_popescu: in other news a display campaign for eulora started today, if any people called Eulorian show up treat 'em mildly. and if no such show up, well... it just goes to show the value of advertising.

18:57:37 mircea_popescu: ascii_field "ft alphaville"

18:58:16 ascii_field: incidentally, who even has a crashless validating node with 1mb blocks

18:58:19 ascii_field: (other than us)

18:58:45 ascii_field: speaking of which,

18:58:51 ascii_field: mod6: how are those test rigs doing ?

18:59:10 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: ^ ?

18:59:23 ascii_field: other sappers ?

18:59:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_field "the bitcoin miners of china" say that they never saw software that doesn't crash

18:59:46 ascii_field: who is ready for the next cut of the scalpel ?

18:59:51 mircea_popescu: how do you know it's software if you don't reboot it ?

19:00:17 ascii_field: how do you know washing machine is plugged in if you don't get shocks from touching the chassis ?

19:00:53 mircea_popescu: ikr ?

19:02:11 punkman: the stamped "bitcoin opec" document http://i.imgur.com/JUnQcue.jpg

19:02:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SoP4Gl )

19:02:19 ascii_field: sometimes i wonder if folks in cn are ~actually~ batshit (mega-mines on winblows, etc) or just convincingly faking it

19:02:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_field if you had more experience chasing gaw/bfl/assorted mining scams

19:02:58 mircea_popescu: you'd be in a better position to grasp the depth of this chasm of a dilemma

19:03:09 mircea_popescu: generally speaking they are both.

19:03:12 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

19:03:32 mircea_popescu: ahahaha what the shit red star stamps srsly ?!

19:04:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, the validity of the stamps would be trivial to verify, if of course anyone still gave a shit about the nonsense scampress publishes.

19:04:31 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: l0l!

19:04:34 ascii_field: you know what those are??!?!

19:04:37 ascii_field: import stamps!

19:04:39 ascii_field: i have some here

19:04:42 mircea_popescu: but 500 failures in... hey, wasn't ethereum all over everything ?

19:04:44 ascii_field: from 'golden phenix'

19:04:47 ascii_field: same red start

19:04:52 ascii_field: those are customs-inspector stamps

19:04:54 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes i know what those are, i pay five to six figures to china each month k ?

19:05:00 ascii_field: anyone with a fucking potato can lift it

19:05:01 ascii_field: aha

19:05:06 mircea_popescu: unlike apparently everyone on the retard side, i actually have some business experience

19:05:20 ascii_field: even a schmuck like me has a fat manila full of these stamps.

19:05:55 *: mircea_popescu sits here and wonders if neobee, king of cypruss, agrees for cypruss to join the increase movement.

19:06:04 ascii_field: and did i just land in my grandfather's office in 1985 , fell through time warp? how did we come to wonder about authenticity of fucking soviet rubber stamps ?!

19:06:08 mircea_popescu: iirc according to financial times, they took over cyprus right ?

19:06:32 mircea_popescu: ascii_field we are dealing with ~= the same idiots.

19:06:47 mircea_popescu: later generation, unimproved.

19:09:09 funkenstein_: looks to me like they are saying they won't take anything bigger than 8MB, because their tubes are too small

19:09:29 mircea_popescu: i remember a day, not so many years ago, when people actually went on trips to check out claims of "hey i goit some images in photoshop" miners. how much things have changed in these few short years...

19:10:50 mircea_popescu: from the log, "I think we will close this thread as there is nothing more to discuss. This is not about democracy or censorship, but about keeping our hobby alive without authorities enforcing new laws in order to limit ADS-B usage."

19:11:01 mircea_popescu: fucking ridiculous. "oh, we will get a bitcoin license to keep our hobby alive!11"

19:11:08 mircea_popescu: fuck you, fucking hobbists

19:11:15 mircea_popescu: the world does not belong to people "doing it ironically"

19:11:41 mircea_popescu: who ever heard of this, change the rules of the sport so people following at home can be more comfortable.

19:12:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165993 << i lolled.

19:12:39 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:58:39; asciilifeform: and often there are interesting hidden costs. for instance, i am somewhat limited in what surplus junk i can use on account of lacking 3-phase mains power

19:13:20 ascii_field: ^ said mircea_popescu as he sizzled in his very own private 3-phase electric chair

19:13:29 ascii_field: luxuriously

19:15:51 ascii_field: (point of that observation was, 3-phase mains and climate-controlled floor sq. metrage do not become cheaper no matter how 'surplussy' the equipment gets)

19:17:28 ascii_field: 'speaks volumes for the actual “democracy” in the system. (Namely, there isn’t any. China — the Saudi Arabia of bitcoin — dominates.' <<< l0l!!! this of course is same party line as in mike hearn's blatherings about 'let's separate the economy majority of bitcoin from the whims of the hashing majority'

19:17:44 ascii_field: *economic

19:18:22 ascii_field: 'we usg gnomes are to have control, because fuck you and ~democracy~ and also fuck you'

19:24:13 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166571 << many usg subjects see the crown in much the same light as little children see their demented violent alcoholic father

19:24:13 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 19:10:50; mircea_popescu: from the log, "I think we will close this thread as there is nothing more to discuss. This is not about democracy or censorship, but about keeping our hobby alive without authorities enforcing new laws in order to limit ADS-B usage."

19:24:24 ascii_field: 'please don't upset him, you know what happens'

19:27:25 ascii_field: other thing is

19:27:36 ascii_field: what, precisely, would be the mechanism for encrypting airplane callsigns ?

19:27:52 ascii_field: sent to public key with private modulus kept in every airport?

19:28:39 ascii_field: what about non-nato airports ?

19:29:05 ascii_field: why shouldn't ru air defense battery open up with all barrels on a 'mystery meat' airplane which won't identify owner ?

19:29:11 ascii_field: like that korean tub

19:29:17 danielpbarron: menahem, your paypal doesn't work and your bitcoin wants me to send to an invalid address

19:29:31 menahem: danielpbarron i just saw

19:29:44 menahem: not sure why I got the error, lemme double check quick. my apologies.

19:30:01 danielpbarron: it redirected me to sandbox.paypal.com which tells me that my password is incorrect

19:30:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00044528 = 6.7015 BTC [+] {2}

19:30:33 menahem: ok ty. i'll be back shortly.

19:30:45 danielpbarron: and by "invalid address" i mean that i'm not about to do business with someone who insists I acknowledge "multi sig" is a thing

19:31:26 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu mega-lulz >> http://cryptome.org/2015/06/masses-goats-dogs.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/1Z43RQN.txt

19:31:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPtUNU )

19:31:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPtSFM )

19:31:30 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:31:30 mircea_popescu: ascii_field it reads to me like a very plain "let's try and hijack b-a by pretending a bigger ba exists somewhere exotic and we are the only ones able to translate its red star stamps"

19:31:33 mircea_popescu: which is... endearing.

19:32:06 ascii_field: usg sop.

19:32:26 mircea_popescu: anyway. i'll allow the shitmedia to set the discussion agenda the morning after i let gavin impregnate my wife.

19:32:55 ascii_field: l0l

19:33:44 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

19:34:28 mircea_popescu: no but srsly, who wouldn't want retarded children looking like him.

19:34:31 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: BIP-100 looks like it will create Garzik coin.

19:36:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166007 << the junior high alf went to... :D

19:36:51 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:03:47; asciilifeform: (does 'mean free path' mean anything to you ? or slept in 4th grade ?)

19:37:40 *: funkenstein_ has heard tell of a time when people wrote RFCs

19:38:08 ascii_field: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/menfre.html

19:38:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPuKdu )

19:38:39 mircea_popescu: !up WvuSoldier

19:39:02 WvuSoldier: ty

19:39:28 thestringpuller: I like how they publicized BIP-100 with "This won't require a hardfork" while the PDF clearly states "Oh yea guise we need to remove the cap completely to make this change."

19:40:18 *: ascii_field now wonders what mircea_popescu gets from cn by the tanker-load

19:40:31 ascii_field: ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166559 )

19:40:31 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 19:04:54; mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes i know what those are, i pay five to six figures to china each month k ?

19:40:41 mircea_popescu: ascii_field vacuums not my forte, but is the following ever done : have a solid cylinder separated into two closed rooms by piston. fill one room with chemical compounds in liquid pahse which react, so the resultant volume is lower.

19:40:53 mircea_popescu: theoretically should vacuum the other room to soem degree

19:41:21 ascii_field: react endothermically, and forming a solid ?

19:41:50 mircea_popescu: for instance

19:41:53 ascii_field: this is done in the craft of making vacuum tubes. (recall the shiny metal in the top of the tube?)

19:41:57 mircea_popescu: aha

19:41:58 ascii_field: called 'getter'

19:42:02 ascii_field: typically - cesium.

19:42:33 ascii_field: important not only for residual gas in the tube after pumping, but also because the electrodes sputter

19:43:04 ascii_field: (vapour pressure in the tube ~will~ go up with time unless the gas has somewhere to get stuck in)

19:44:10 mircea_popescu: no such thing as infinitely bound material yet discovered

19:44:23 mircea_popescu: should go in there same pile as ideal conductor

19:45:43 ascii_field: aha

19:45:49 ascii_field: even glass has vapour pressure at stp !

19:46:00 ascii_field: see the epic saga of 'polywater'

19:46:03 jurov: iirc graphene is impervious even to helium

19:46:13 mircea_popescu: it will still scater atoms

19:46:26 mircea_popescu: this is a quantum necessity.

19:47:13 mircea_popescu: (for fun and games the trainee qm folk in attendance are invited to set up either the matrix or the waveform so that probability of solid losing atoms into gas at border is zero, see what happens)

19:47:24 ascii_field: l0l!

19:49:34 ascii_field: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/11/polywater_history_and_science_mistakes_the_u_s_and_ussr_raced_to_create.html << a not-especially-great english review of the 'polywater' story.

19:49:35 assbot: Polywater history and science mistakes: The U.S. and USSR raced to create a new form of water. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPwcfK )

19:49:55 mircea_popescu: is this the very thick water ?

19:50:21 ascii_field: aha

19:50:31 ascii_field: the one in which the glass vessels themselves dissolved a little.

19:50:38 mircea_popescu: i recall family friend being very insulted by my dad laughing his ass off

19:50:46 ascii_field: (along with other room crud)

19:53:48 ascii_field: in other news, i dreamed last night that ft meade had been turned into a kind of city-state, and i came through it for some peculiar reason. it very crowded and full of rough-looking folks, like d.c. subway. went into a pub, full of demented old beggars, and pulled out a wad of 'nsa money' - shit-brown 'hundies' with portraits of some senator on them. in return got glass of water.

19:53:48 scoopbot_revived: Examinations vs. the Yeshiva http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/17/examinations-vs-the-yeshiva/

19:54:22 ascii_field: there was some utterly deranged bloke yelling 'buy me a bed!!!'

19:55:30 mircea_popescu: sounds like you would enjoy playing fallout

19:55:35 ascii_field: i did.

19:58:23 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the hunag fellow is exactly the right example. i even hinted at him but never mentionmed the name when discussiong o'brian idiocy in 1984 and how the rebellion properly works.

19:58:24 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:58:35 mircea_popescu: always a pleasure to see people able to refer to the right source material.

19:58:52 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166044 <<< check the aussie national skill shortage and come down under.. i've never been to choina but i'm guessing down under is a bit better

19:58:52 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:39:34; mats: will probably end up moving back to mainland

20:02:24 ascii_field: '(875 – 884 AD) when Huang Ch’ao, a powerful young heir to a family fortune, was unable to pass the rigorous exams needed to become a licentiate. He responded by selling salt on the black market and using the funds to organise a secret society with which he incited rebellions that massacred nobles and officials and nearly, thought not quite, brought down the ruling entire dynasty.' << this has been my secret crackp

20:02:24 ascii_field: ipe dream since uni, yes.

20:02:37 ascii_field: i specifically wish to drive the bulldozer personally

20:02:53 mats: lol

20:03:41 mircea_popescu: lol

20:04:14 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:04:28 mircea_popescu: ascii_field is emerging like quite the tragic, byronian hero. on one hand, wishes to drive the dozer, on the other hand, wishes to have a place for noli tangere.

20:04:33 mircea_popescu: should be a libretto.

20:05:09 ascii_field: hey, marvin heemeyer did both!

20:05:27 mircea_popescu: why stop there.

20:05:29 mircea_popescu: do three things.

20:05:31 ascii_field: http://marvin-heemeyer.com

20:05:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPy7RA )

20:05:34 mircea_popescu: while juggling pregnant seals.

20:06:29 ascii_field: elephants.

20:06:50 mircea_popescu: seals pregnant with elephants ?

20:08:50 ascii_field: with walruses.

20:10:33 mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3a6m7i/a_prepostmortem_on_bitpay/ << check it out, you're now thought leaders of teh community

20:10:34 assbot: A pre-post-mortem on BitPay : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPyUlC )

20:19:59 ascii_field: speaking of vacuum 'diffusion pumps' - apparently there are firms selling them, from old uni chem kits, as 'bongs' to smoke weed from

20:20:25 ascii_field: e.g., http://mellowmood.com/bates-x-worm

20:20:27 assbot: Bates x Worm - Mellow Mood ... ( http://bit.ly/1GgbK2U )

20:20:27 thestringpuller: great find mircea_popescu

20:21:00 thestringpuller: "It’s like an economy where the investment is coming from some external country where Silicon Valley becomes like the Bitcoin equivalent of People’s Bank of China." << because Nefario ruined it for everyone

20:21:18 menahem: danielpbarron PayPal is up - had it in test mode. My bad.

20:22:03 ascii_field: it was the diffusion pump (esp. langmuir's improved one) which allowed the whole vacuum tube thing to happen in the first place.

20:23:21 mircea_popescu: !up blazes816

20:23:37 shinohai: All these pools http://redd.it/3a5qj5

20:23:39 assbot: Draft signed by F2Pool, Antpool, BW, BTCChina, Huobi committing them to a 8MB increase. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ggc6qu )

20:23:56 mircea_popescu: see teh logs.

20:24:39 shinohai: will do. I have tons of reading to catch up on this evening.

20:25:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59300 @ 0.00044529 = 26.4057 BTC [+]

20:25:37 cazalla: shinohai, lol that image reminds me of another which someone on bitcointalk claimed to be a police report regarding asicminer thefts.. turned out to be a birth certificate or something

20:25:56 shinohai: LOLZ

20:29:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00043172 = 10.1022 BTC [-] {2}

20:32:32 TheNewDeal: how bad of any idea is it to short btc/ltc over a short term period

20:33:00 ben_vulpes: hey, the tradetalk's back!

20:33:03 TheNewDeal: -y

20:33:28 ascii_field: TheNewDeal: ltc still exists ?!

20:33:34 TheNewDeal: oddly enough, aye

20:34:01 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal not worse or better than ever

20:34:47 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:40:23 ben_vulpes: aha is midnightmagic derping on about things beyond his ken today?

20:40:32 ben_vulpes: or yessterday or something?

20:41:12 ascii_field: worst of all, he gave me an intractable urge to blow glass

20:43:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00044529 = 5.2544 BTC [+]

20:44:14 kakobrekla: maybe procedures in experimental physics did it

20:44:29 ascii_field: sure did

20:53:08 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> also the gurl has valuable illiquid asset. << not so valuable if illiquid

20:53:50 mircea_popescu: hahaha

20:53:56 mircea_popescu: read the logs :D

20:54:03 shinohai: 13-06-2015 00:30:49 <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162846 << gotta love usg. always 'chinese wreckers stole,' never 'microshit turdows spilled' (agrees)

20:54:03 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 23:44:37; trinque: http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html

20:55:32 ben_vulpes: can't read whole log without responding

20:55:46 mircea_popescu: just pulling your leg over here

20:56:10 ben_vulpes: s/without/before

20:56:20 ben_vulpes: what is it? great artists steal?

20:57:38 ascii_field: achtung, panzers:

20:57:40 ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000098.html

20:57:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYM5RY )

20:59:10 shinohai: ty asciilifeform

20:59:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166048 << well i don't know so many people in china, so... good news :D

20:59:14 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:40:42; mats: mainland china

20:59:47 mircea_popescu: ascii_field aha

21:01:09 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i would like to nominate above patch (and its dependency, dns-seed-remover) for mainline

21:01:45 shinohai: I haven't applied those patches yet :/

21:01:56 ben_vulpes: noted

21:01:57 ascii_field: shinohai: the linked patch is 5 minutes old

21:01:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166066 << this is a strict function of sexual promiscuity in my experience. being chaste is pretty suicidal at all times other than during the age of boredom

21:01:57 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:47:41; jurov: also, i don't get how anyone in this age can *not* have some foreign acquaintances that one can be sure to not throw him under the bus

21:02:09 ben_vulpes: i'm still working to get the damn thing to build on ubuntu

21:02:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes 10.04

21:02:25 mircea_popescu: ?

21:02:38 shinohai: @ ben_vulpes it built fine for me on 14.4

21:02:59 ben_vulpes: most recently, boost failed to install because its html document rendering facility was b0rked in ubuntu somewhere and the whole thing fell over

21:03:01 shinohai: *14.04 lts

21:03:09 mircea_popescu: hahahah

21:03:28 mircea_popescu: "my car crashed because there was a flyer in a window painted in green letters"

21:03:29 shinohai: But I must ask, why Ubuntu?

21:03:44 mircea_popescu: because it means anal friendship in african.

21:03:47 ascii_field: ^ i had similar barf from openssl

21:05:33 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:06:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166096 >> nah, that's a different dimension. chocolate spontaneously combusts

21:06:32 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:57:39; asciilifeform: can i get real (read: ru or identical) chocolate there? at what cost/gram ?

21:06:38 mircea_popescu: this is how the locals know if it's any good

21:06:43 ascii_field: l0l

21:07:17 ascii_field: and yes, i know that mircea_popescu can get ru chocolate delivered via biplane right to his dirigible in antarctica.

21:07:30 ascii_field: doesn't apply to my case.

21:07:46 mircea_popescu: yea, you never ordered anything online

21:07:56 mircea_popescu: all those dongs were bought at indian candy's chocolateria

21:09:03 ascii_field: said the fella living in can't-order-anything-online-land

21:09:19 mircea_popescu: ikr?

21:09:27 mircea_popescu: tbh i never ordered anything online in romania, either.

21:09:36 mircea_popescu: i don't even order takeout

21:09:53 ascii_field: i barely ever get anything in any other way

21:10:06 ascii_field: (because wtf, leaving house, and paying tax?!?!)

21:10:37 shinohai: If Amazon delivered groceries in my area, I might never leave home.

21:12:37 cazalla: shinohai, the two main supermarket chains in australia do this.. and it's how they get rid of the rest of their shitty produce

21:12:53 ascii_field: i'd get toilet paper, etc. on 'amazon' if it weren't for the fact that everything you buy affects your 'recommendations'

21:13:04 ascii_field: and i don't want to see ads for shitpaper in my mailbox

21:13:13 shinohai: I like farmers markets though. Fresh organic veggies if possible.

21:13:22 ascii_field: produce over mail is a nonstarter

21:13:33 ascii_field: (for morons - sure)

21:15:16 mircea_popescu: ascii_field myeah, uber does seem like the usgs last gasp effort to "socialism" the cabbuie business

21:15:29 mircea_popescu: which i would loathe, as i routinely reject living anywhere with shitty cabs

21:15:38 ascii_field: the cabs in usa sucked before.

21:15:45 mircea_popescu: boston was ok

21:15:48 mircea_popescu: ny was even above par.

21:15:55 mircea_popescu: the west coast never interested me much

21:15:57 jurov: have amazon buttons?

21:15:59 mircea_popescu: texas was great.

21:17:44 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: know that 'uber' etc. is an attempt to 'proletarianize' cabs. as they normally are so costly here that they are beyond the regular use of all but the richest

21:18:07 ascii_field: (e.g., an hour's ride might cost a whole benjie)

21:18:20 mircea_popescu: i dunno dood. what was it, two-three bucks a mile ?

21:18:53 kakobrekla: going 600 miles per hour obviously

21:18:54 mircea_popescu: germany is ridoinculous with their 5 euro a km bs, but then again germany is usually walkable.

21:19:37 mircea_popescu: how much would they have to pay ME to spend an hour in a cab with any regularity ?

21:20:05 ascii_field: airport much ?

21:20:14 mircea_popescu: yeah, five times a year.

21:20:20 ascii_field: so there you go

21:21:02 jurov: i don't remember using taxi from/to airport

21:22:02 ascii_field: the cabs in b-a blew my mind

21:22:21 ascii_field: (because cheap)

21:22:32 mircea_popescu: the half hour typical ride is what, five bux

21:22:44 ascii_field: in wash., d.c. ?! nope

21:22:52 ascii_field: opening the fucking door costs >5bux

21:23:26 ascii_field: http://dctaxi.dc.gov/page/taxicab-fares << 3.25 according to official table

21:24:46 kakobrekla: lol at that price list

21:26:20 ascii_field: it would cost me ~$80 to get home in a cab right now.

21:26:31 ascii_field: (assuming ~empty~ roads)

21:26:46 thestringpuller: ascii_field: i thought you didn't drive

21:26:56 ascii_field: thestringpuller: i drive 2-4 hrs/day.

21:27:06 thestringpuller: how have you not killed someone?

21:27:15 thestringpuller: (Via rage)

21:27:21 ascii_field: almost half as long as a cabbie drives

21:27:39 thestringpuller: is there traffic?

21:27:53 kakobrekla: how many miles ?

21:29:06 mats: http://www.opm.gov/our-inspector-general/reports/2014/federal-information-security-management-act-audit-fy-2014-4a-ci-00-14-016.pdf

21:29:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3RR4X )

21:29:24 ascii_field: thestringpuller: so much traffic 'can eat with arse'

21:30:00 thestringpuller: sounds like DC or LA...

21:30:00 mod6: <+ascii_field> mod6: how are those test rigs doing ? < << If you mean the bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patch(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke + TX Orphanage Amputation }, they were performed on AWS deb6 instance and have since been shutdown after full sync & performance tests completed. Main reason being to dig into compiling v0.5.3.1 + gentoo sanity patches with uclibc on Gentoo on AWS Gentoo instance. I try to only run one instance at a time to keep mo

21:30:00 ascii_field: kakobrekla: ~70/day assuming i go nowhere else (buying food, detours around jams, etc)

21:30:17 kakobrekla: 2-4 hrs for 70 miles

21:30:21 kakobrekla: sad.

21:30:56 shinohai: mod6 my nide is still humming fine

21:31:01 mod6: I could start it back up again and do something else if you like. But have finally gotten a guide created for Gentoo on Physical hardware. It needs 2 general tweaks (to be put in tonight) before I hand over to hanbot for testing.

21:31:02 shinohai: *nide

21:31:36 shinohai: I hate touchscreen keyboards. I really do.

21:31:43 thestringpuller: ascii_field: damn. 20 mph average speed?!? i would have to pop anxiety pills.

21:31:43 ascii_field: kakobrekla: the sad is in having to leave home at all. everything else is just little cherries on top of the sadcake

21:32:03 mats: We were told in an interview that OPM's Network Management Group (NMG) performs monthly vulnerability scans using automated scanning tools. The OIG is unable to independently verify that OPM has a mature vulnerability scanning program. However, we have been unable to obtain tangible evidence that vulnerability scans have been routinely conducted for all

21:32:03 mats: OPM servers in FY 2014… NMG has documented accepted weaknesses for OPM user workstations; however, it has not fully documented weaknesses for servers or databases (i.e., vulnerability scan findings that are justified by a business need). This recommendation remains open from FY 2011 and is rolled forward in FY 2014.

21:32:09 mod6: So once the Guides are handed over to hanbot, I'll refocus my attention to patching gcc 4.8.4 on Gentoo to see if we can get around that bug that we were discussing the other day.

21:32:45 ascii_field: mod6: which bug ?

21:33:37 mod6: lemme find the logs..

21:34:57 mod6: well, nevermind that. this one:

21:34:58 mod6: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../libc.a(jmp-unwind.os): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `__GI___pthread_cleanup_upto' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC

21:36:45 mod6: !up ascii_field

21:39:10 mod6: <+shinohai> mod6 my nide is still humming fine << cool. is that the ubuntu one?

21:39:51 shinohai: Nah the Debian one, I built Ubuntu on a friends server

21:41:32 mod6: ahh. ok.

21:42:54 shinohai: The Deb one stays up all the time, I just leave it running since I need a daemon anyway.

21:49:59 mod6: good deal :]

21:54:21 mats: http://www.wsj.com/articles/colt-defense-to-file-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy-protection-by-monday-1434310925

21:54:22 assbot: Colt Defense Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3X24H )

21:55:45 mats: http://time.com/3923842/putin-kubinka-moscow-patriot-park-russia-opens-a-military-playground-for-the-patriotic

21:55:46 assbot: Russia Opens 'Patriot' Theme Park to Showcase MIlitary Prowess ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3XkbR )

21:58:09 ascii_field: achtung, panzers!

21:58:10 ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html

21:58:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3XRe2 )

21:58:17 ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^

21:58:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00043298 = 19.8305 BTC [-]

21:59:52 ascii_field: picture little gavins squealing on a chopping block.

22:00:02 ascii_field: does it not warm your cold iron heart !?

22:00:49 ascii_field: i'm half-certain that last one actually removes a vuln

22:02:20 *: mod6 looks

22:03:45 mod6: ah cool :]

22:04:20 ascii_field: this is part of a sequence of patches which depend on one another

22:04:37 ascii_field: (dns seed remover, hard seed remover, and now showmyip,com-remover)

22:04:51 ascii_field: next one will nuke all dns lookups entirely

22:04:59 mod6: yup, i see that. thanks for linking them in the patch emails.

22:05:10 mod6: great work ascii.

22:05:12 ascii_field: these are given in separate patches for ease of review

22:05:22 mod6: *nod*

22:05:25 mod6: makes sense. thanks.

22:05:27 ascii_field: i consider this to be a necessary thing

22:05:36 mod6: yeah, that stuff is 100% cruft.

22:05:53 ascii_field: i.e. everything inside a patch file must pertain only to what was 'printed on the box', and vice-versa.

22:07:18 mod6: !up ascii_field

22:07:24 ascii_field: ty mod6

22:07:57 mats: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-06/18/c_134335445.htm

22:07:57 assbot: China, Russia to increase bilateral investment, financial cooperation - Xinhua | English.news.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3ZyrI )

22:08:48 mod6: np. so, i'm gonna keep focus on this Gentoo GCC patching stuff for the time being. But meanwhile I do that on my POS box (Now running Gentoo AMD64 hardened w/uclibc), I can shutdown the Gentoo aws instance and fire-up a deb6 test with these new patches before the end of the month I'm sure.

22:09:04 ascii_field: mod6: might wanna wait for the final nail in the dns coffin

22:09:26 mod6: That's fine. Take your time. It won't take long to get that going anyway.

22:10:12 shinohai: 17:59 +ascii_field picture little gavins squealing on a chopping block. <<< This

22:10:22 mod6: :]

22:11:39 mats: 'Obama admitted that nine months into the U.S.-led coalition's campaign against the IS, there is not a complete strategy to combat the group. "We don't yet have a complete strategy," Obama said at the end of a G-7 summit in Germany'

22:25:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20205 @ 0.00042666 = 8.6207 BTC [-] {3}

22:38:04 mod6: !up ascii_field

22:39:14 ascii_field: to fully scrub out the dns invocations, will have to make the irc connector configurable on command line

22:39:49 ascii_field: this will be a substantial change in default behaviour, because the thing ~will~ have to be given irc server params on command line, and/or seed ips, or ~will not run~

22:40:34 ascii_field: i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd

22:41:06 ascii_field: but if anyone can make a good case for its removal (remember that presently it is also the source of node knowing own external ipv4 !!!) please say.

22:59:42 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166824 << apparently dead instantly on account of losing favour with usg.

22:59:42 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 21:54:21; mats: http://www.wsj.com/articles/colt-defense-to-file-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy-protection-by-monday-1434310925

23:00:40 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166826 << famous tank museum

23:00:40 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 21:55:45; mats: http://time.com/3923842/putin-kubinka-moscow-patriot-park-russia-opens-a-military-playground-for-the-patriotic

23:03:10 mats: mighta had a chance if privately owned by black disabled lesbian

23:03:37 mats: o, can't forget veteran

23:03:44 ascii_field: 'Following a drawn-out and contentious bidding war, Colt lost its contract to provide the Pentagon with M4 rifles in 2013. The $77 million contract went instead to a Belgian company, F.N. Herstal.'

23:03:47 ascii_field: ^ l0l!!

23:03:53 ascii_field: and when belgium is overrun again?

23:04:03 ascii_field: i imagine they will have to ask for new bids.

23:05:15 mod6: <+ascii_field> to fully scrub out the dns invocations, will have to make the irc connector configurable on command line << not that this has to be the case now, but perhaps this could be done in the config file too.

23:05:24 mats: not the first time Colt has lost a contract to F.N. Herstal

23:05:41 ascii_field: mod6: config file or commandline

23:05:47 ascii_field: but ~somewhere~

23:05:54 mod6: <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow.

23:05:55 ascii_field: after this, there will be no default seed

23:06:16 mod6: <+ascii_field> but ~somewhere~ << yup, gotcha. just putting in my 0.00000002

23:07:13 mats: also not the first time they've filed for bankruptcy

23:09:27 kakobrekla: would a dedi ba seed be welcome?

23:10:19 mod6: <+mod6> <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow. << regardless, it doesn't mean we have to rip it out this minute. how insane of an idea is it to just snip out the checkip.dyndns.org parts and add a commandline/configfile arg to specify external ip for

23:10:44 mod6: <+kakobrekla> would a dedi ba seed be welcome << yeah, i think that's the idea eventually.

23:14:09 mod6: oop

23:14:11 mod6: !up ascii_field

23:17:30 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166883 << we'll need more than one

23:17:30 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 23:09:27; kakobrekla: would a dedi ba seed be welcome?

23:17:43 ascii_field: and it makes no sense to even try before the leak-stoppage patches are ratified

23:17:58 ascii_field: (i don't want ~anything~ to do with a leaking node)

23:21:55 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166884 << you can ~already~ specify seeds on cmdline and config! all that remains is the removal of the built-in seeder crap

23:21:55 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 23:10:19; mod6: <+mod6> <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow. << regardless, it doesn't mean we have to rip it out this minute. how insane of an idea is it to just snip out the checkip.dyndns.org parts and add a commandline/confi

23:22:11 ascii_field: of these, we now have only irc remaining

23:22:23 ascii_field: (assuming all three patches discussed today were to be ratified)

23:23:12 ascii_field: and i say 'hey hey, ho ho,' dns 'has got to go!'

23:23:24 shinohai: I'm down for the irc mechanism, i really like it but not as it is now

23:23:43 ascii_field: shinohai: elaborate ?

23:24:09 mats: lol

23:24:17 shinohai: Earlier you mentioned the ability to specify peers, etc and use raw irc commands correct?

23:24:25 shinohai: If I understood correctly

23:24:35 ascii_field: shinohai: just the ability to specify what it connects to

23:24:42 ascii_field: and, perhaps, what channel

23:25:01 shinohai: hmmm mkay

23:25:05 ascii_field: btw it is also valuable because presently irc is a very handy means of finding pre-gavinization seeds

23:25:22 ascii_field: i expect this will change, suddenly and possibly undetectably, once they start fucking with it

23:25:38 ascii_field: (i.e. connecting gavinized nodes masquerading under old version strings)

23:25:49 shinohai: I failed to see that before BingoBoingo pointed out the obvious benefits of finding pre-gavinized nodes with it.

23:26:13 ascii_field: thing is, anyone can set version string to whateverthefuck they like

23:27:16 shinohai: ascii_field: are you limited as to what data you can put in the version string?

23:28:42 mod6: <+ascii_field> << you can ~already~ specify seeds on cmdline and config! all that remains is the removal of the built-in seeder crap << sure, you can do addnode or whatnot to connect to other nodes. but isn't the dyndns thing to tell others what your nodes ip address is? maybe i misunderstand ...

23:28:48 ascii_field: shinohai: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation#version

23:28:49 assbot: Protocol documentation - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1dL9WZd )

23:28:50 shinohai: I mean, their must be some way to identify trusted clients

23:29:03 ascii_field: mod6: it was a fallback if irc fails

23:29:15 ascii_field: shinohai: trusted == folks you know personally

23:29:25 ascii_field: and even this, only after we get it carried over gossipd

23:29:32 ascii_field: at present, there is no way to authenticate a node

23:29:56 mod6: <+ascii_field> mod6: it was a fallback if irc fails << oh or if -noirc is used or something?

23:30:05 ascii_field: or if irc fails to connect

23:30:11 mod6: i see, ok.

23:30:26 ascii_field: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-05-2015#1122714

23:30:26 assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 17:21:23; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122612 << it's actually a fine entry point to explain to anyone why exactly tcp/ip is so broken. because this IS NOT a trivial task. the price for ipv4 and it's undocumented, buggy, slow and haphazardously ad-hoc nat-routing model is that you can't find out by inspecting yourself. the half-assed, quarter-baked lazy slothful and aol-windowesque implement

23:34:39 cazalla: copypaste, front page of the #1 aussie tabloid http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/intimate-photos-of-around-400-adelaide-women-have-been-posted-on-a-us-site-in-revenge-porn/story-fnjwmwrh-1227403257763

23:34:40 assbot: Revenge porn: Nude photos of 400 Adelaide women posted online ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjUgY0 )

23:44:55 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

23:55:09 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a researcher is me !

23:55:24 pete_dushenski: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218550.0 << i lolled

23:55:26 assbot: [WTS] Stuff for non-profits ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjW57a )

23:55:42 pete_dushenski: i recognise 'thebutterzone' from -otc

23:56:01 pete_dushenski: pretty sure he had half the listings last i checked

23:56:24 pete_dushenski: btw, wd on the logs today, gents. solid reading material.

23:58:05 pete_dushenski: "First two (DVD, CD) are used and play fine, 2nd two are sealed new (all DVDs). for each before shipping, and a $60 donation for each will be made to this pro-civil rights coalition that Zooey Deschanel, Nancy Sinatra, Michael Moore, and Joel McHale all oppose." << y'know, this could only work on tardstalk