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00:11:38 danielpbarron: !up popmechanic

00:12:08 BingoBoingo: Hello popmechanic

00:12:15 popmechanic: Greetings:)

00:14:40 BingoBoingo: Hello

00:14:50 BingoBoingo: Anything in particular bring you here today?

00:15:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68600 @ 0.00052484 = 36.004 BTC [-]

00:17:25 BingoBoingo: Avalon Jeff falls to senility https://archive.is/L3paQ

00:17:26 assbot: SwagPokerz comments on BIP 102: Increase block size limit to 2MB on Nov 11, 2015. by jgarzik · Pull Request #6451 · bitcoin/bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oih8ZJ )

00:23:52 popmechanic: Michael Goldstein referenced this channel on Twitter today. I hadn’t heard of it and am interested in Bitcoin so I thought I’d lurk for, oh, 6 months or so;)

00:25:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68194 @ 0.00054844 = 37.4003 BTC [+] {2}

00:26:08 BingoBoingo: popmechanic: Sounds like a solid plan. Probably would be prudent to register. The you can self voice to ask questions. WHen asking questions you will probably get links which will lead you to the golden six months of logs to read.

00:26:45 Adlai: !h

00:26:45 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

00:33:42 popmechanic: !register 48802F831BAFC232A26C974A0DA5926BC6E7BDCF

00:33:42 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 48802F831BAFC232A26C974A0DA5926BC6E7BDCF. This may take a few moments.

00:33:43 assbot: Key C6E7BDCF / "keybase.io/marcusestes <marcusestes@keybase.io>" successfully imported.

00:33:43 assbot: Registration successful.

00:33:51 mats: oh lawd

00:34:04 mats: does keybase have your private key, popmechanic?

00:34:16 popmechanic: no

00:34:21 mats: ok good

00:35:25 BingoBoingo: popmechanic: DO you work for Keybase or do they just offer email addy's at their domain.

00:36:36 danielpbarron: that means his key was generated in web browser via javascript, I think

00:37:11 popmechanic: Apparently they just offer email addresses? Not sure, first time I’ve used the service. I totally understand and am prepared to agree with a predjudice against a service like this, because they’re going to end up sitting on private keys. But it’s optional, and actually a pretty handy way to manage a few aspects of PGP management.

00:37:33 popmechanic: Correct, I believe the key is generated client side.

00:37:47 trinque: eh if it was generated in a browser it's still unsafe

00:38:04 trinque: how can you be sure you're running the JS they intended? (or that their JS intends well)

00:38:12 danielpbarron: it is possible to make your own key offline through keybase but I just don't see the point

00:38:18 BingoBoingo: popmechanic: What OS are you on? Javascript RNGs are notoriously unsafe. As unsafe as Pirate Party RNGs

00:38:49 popmechanic: Mac OS

00:39:18 mats: popmechanic: piling on a bit here, but i suggest running it through Phuctor, a service that attempts to factor keys with weak moduli -- http://nosuchlabs.com

00:39:45 BingoBoingo: popmechanic: Do you run Mac Ports?

00:40:10 mats: to date, Phuctor has broken 300+ keys. see: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats

00:40:17 popmechanic: I do, yes.

00:40:54 BingoBoingo: popmechanic: Build GPG, preferably a 1.4.x series version and do the key generation thing again

00:42:50 BingoBoingo: !up popmechanic

00:44:58 Adlai: mats: i'm not sure you're reading that quite right

00:46:20 BingoBoingo: mats: Phuctor broke 95. The duplicate modulus is a different kind of warning than broken

00:54:39 danielpbarron: !up hazirafel

01:00:47 mats: oops

01:01:16 BingoBoingo: mats: happens

01:05:21 scoopbot_revived: Limits of Moore's Law Challenge Intel - Questions About Future Performance http://qntra.net/2015/07/limits-of-moores-law-challenge-intel-questions-about-future-performance/

01:07:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00054866 = 28.9418 BTC [+]

01:13:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110900 @ 0.00054446 = 60.3806 BTC [-] {2}

01:16:35 asciilifeform: received block 0000000000000000123a

01:16:35 asciilifeform: REORGANIZE

01:16:37 asciilifeform: l0l

01:17:18 BingoBoingo: https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/295882

01:17:19 assbot: Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBU4AC )

01:17:24 BingoBoingo: OH SHIT REORG

01:18:14 asciilifeform: eh, sop

01:18:42 asciilifeform: just lulzy to see it when i randomly chanced to look at the latest crud scrolling by.

01:19:14 asciilifeform: sorta like phosphenes

01:19:39 asciilifeform: normally those happen once in a blue moon, largely for entirely harmless reasons, but,

01:19:51 asciilifeform: when one is being irradiated to death, sees quite a few of'em

01:19:55 asciilifeform: (or so i was told)

01:20:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162500 @ 0.00052823 = 85.8374 BTC [-]

01:21:48 BingoBoingo: This is indeed an irradiating time

01:24:54 BingoBoingo: !up TheRealJohnGalt

01:28:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Telco+214+Inc/@28.04003,-80.595088,3a,75y,3.38h,89.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1supX6Yd_ND2dyvMRDvs96Yw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x88de12494bab5cdb:0x6c83f4d824af9701!6m1!1e1?hl=en << usg miner

01:28:25 assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3zkGj )

01:30:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's a big dish

01:33:02 asciilifeform: http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-206-397-1975/4#p633425372283376590 << also lulzy rumour turd re: 'telco 214'

01:33:03 assbot: Getting calls from 206-397-1975? 4/9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3zJZr )

01:38:11 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu didja ever write a piece about bernie cornfeld (1927-1995) ?

01:38:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:43:18 decimation: what does this 'reorg' business imply

01:43:50 asciilifeform: forklet

01:47:13 asciilifeform: more lulz, http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=TELCO214US%20P970000566471&aggregateId=domp-p97000056647-66b1a73f-30ca-492d-9daf-a39cf89e72cb&searchTerm=Telco%20214%20Us%2C%20Inc.&listNameOrder=TELCO214US%20P970000566471

01:47:14 assbot: Detail by Entity Name ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3ANwq )

01:47:19 asciilifeform: and in particular, http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/ConvertTiffToPDF?storagePath=COR1%5C2003%5C0421%5C80916068.Tif&documentNumber=P97000056647

01:47:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3AOjK )

01:48:02 asciilifeform: amendment. change name from 'IBSA, US, Inc' to 'Telco 214 US, Inc'. March 13, '03

01:49:03 asciilifeform: neither had any detectable public presence.

01:49:13 asciilifeform: (other than the earlier link)

01:50:06 decimation: asciilifeform: what do these companies do?

01:50:10 asciilifeform: reminiscent of nothing more than the faux airlines used by cia

01:50:46 asciilifeform: decimation: 'telco 214' is the owner of a single ip which houses, as far as i can tell, at least 2% of current net hash.

01:50:53 decimation: lulz

01:51:14 asciilifeform: (why not parcel it through sp4mz0rpr0x13z!!111 like everybody else? damned if i know)

01:53:43 mats: heh, how did you come upon this?

01:53:45 decimation: https://www.google.com/maps/place/2571+Kirby+Cir+NE,+Palm+Bay,+FL+32905 < check out their 'principle place of business' listed in their annual report

01:53:46 assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kaa5AY )

01:54:03 asciilifeform: mats: sheer accident

01:54:17 asciilifeform: decimation: linked earlier

01:54:21 decimation: massive satellite dishes, multiple

01:56:29 decimation: biggest one is 12m according to google earth

01:56:50 asciilifeform: http://whomined.com/#miner/37

01:57:25 *: asciilifeform cannot comment on the quality of this survey, but it is not uninteresting

01:59:17 asciilifeform: http://cpsociety.org/thomas-ndomb << lulzy. the one other public mention of 'telco 214' i've found so far.

01:59:19 assbot: Thomas Ndomb « Cameroon Professional Society (CPS) Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaaNhq )

02:01:01 asciilifeform: https://openvpn.net/index.php/about-menu/advisory-board.html << and.

02:01:03 assbot: Advisory Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kab2cj )

02:01:15 mats: http://defcon.ws luls

02:01:16 assbot: DEF CON Cancellation: An Open Letter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kab5oK )

02:01:28 decimation: lemme see if I can figure out which satellite the minor dishes are pointed at

02:01:29 asciilifeform: 'Mr. Haba was Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Telco 214, an emerging leader in the international voice market that was successful in winning large market share from AT&T, MCI and Sprint. Mr. Haba began his career at Symetrics Industries, a publicly traded defense communications and computer telephony integrator....'

02:01:38 asciilifeform: ^ the fl gov paperwork mentions haba

02:01:46 asciilifeform: he was one of the two founding partners.

02:02:10 mats: "I believe that we are in a post-hacker world ... We should strive to be professionals, making the Internet a safer place rather than exposing vulnerabilities that can be leveraged by criminals and terrorists. This is why I'm going to encourage you to attend professional security conferences like Black Hat, RSA, SANS and others"

02:02:36 asciilifeform: l0l!!

02:02:41 asciilifeform: Had Problemz!!

02:02:55 asciilifeform: 'Professionals have professional credentials. If you want to participate in the security industry, you should obtain the appropriate certifications. ISC2, SANS, EC-Council and many vendors offer well regarded security certifications. '

02:03:11 asciilifeform: 'I know there has been concerning news about the NSA overstepping its bounds regarding data collection and the US government's lack of action. I have worked closely with many government officials. What may appear as an erosion of our constitutional rights, are actually programs critically important to the safety of our country. Without the NSA data gathering programs, there would have already been a "Cyber 9/11". Unfortunately

02:03:11 asciilifeform: , I can't reveal the details to support this statement but, knowing my honestly and character, you'll have to take me at my word. '

02:03:13 asciilifeform: trol0l0l0l

02:03:16 mats: DEFCON is not canceled, this is satire, for any casual observers

02:03:24 asciilifeform: took me 30 sec or so

02:03:50 asciilifeform: my first hypothesis was 'fella got truecrypted'

02:05:21 decimation: asciilifeform: the northern two dishes appear to be pointed toward a heading of 107 degrees (true)

02:05:27 decimation: that would line them up with Intelsat 905

02:05:37 asciilifeform: l0l!

02:05:44 asciilifeform: !b 3

02:05:45 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3KZ6Y7E.txt )

02:05:59 decimation: it's easier than you would think to figure this out http://www.dishpointer.com/

02:06:00 assbot: Satellite Finder / Dish Alignment Calculator with Google Maps | DishPointer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KabFTs )

02:06:11 decimation: could also be SES-4

02:06:19 asciilifeform: it is not difficult, where i come from it was done with paper and pen

02:06:28 decimation: unfortunately the 12 meter dish is pointing up (probably 'safed') so I can't determine its bearing

02:06:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00054878 = 28.5914 BTC [+] {2}

02:06:34 asciilifeform: not like you can hide a four-tonne tub of shit in orbit

02:07:55 decimation: at any rate here's its orbital footprint http://www.lyngsat-maps.com/footprints/Intelsat-905-Global.html

02:07:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KabY0k )

02:08:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43414 @ 0.00055299 = 24.0075 BTC [+] {2}

02:08:41 asciilifeform: consistent with 'spam phones for africa'

02:08:47 decimation: it has spot beams that cover africa, europe - and here's its 'public transponder listing' http://www.lyngsat.com/Intelsat-905.html

02:08:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3CzgW )

02:08:52 asciilifeform: (the nominal business profile, to the extent one is known)

02:11:15 decimation: http://www.loral.com/inthenews/020605.html "Each of the new Intelsat IX series satellites carries 76 C-band and 22 Ku-band operating transponders (in 36 MHz equivalents), and its solar arrays will generate more than 8.6 kilowatts of power (beginning of life)."


02:11:25 decimation: plenty of bandwidth for an african isp

02:11:49 asciilifeform: sounds like they're speaking of analogue bandwidth, to be fair

02:11:55 decimation: yes, of course

02:13:08 decimation: but they typically use 8 or 4 psk in those analog segments

02:14:09 asciilifeform: from 'intelsat' www, it would appear that they serve nigerian sp4mz0r and homeland severity alike

02:15:19 decimation: the lyngsat page says that at least two of the 30 MHz transponders are dedicated to AOL

02:16:18 decimation: employing "ACM" which apparently switches between 4psk and 16 qam, which would allow a gross throughput of approx 60-120 megabit/sec

02:16:28 decimation: per 30 mhz channel

02:17:54 decimation: now, if these folks are running miners, the question is 'why over sat link'

02:18:10 asciilifeform: https://ipinfo.io/AS35863

02:18:10 assbot: AS35863 Telco 214, Inc. - ipinfo.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3DgqG )

02:18:16 asciilifeform: and who said it was over satlink

02:18:37 decimation: well, that office doesn't look like a very big data center

02:18:56 decimation: also, did you note the military looking vehicles in their parking lot?

02:20:11 asciilifeform: i only see ordinary cars

02:20:48 asciilifeform: 4 of'em

02:21:09 asciilifeform: (google 'street' dated april '11)

02:21:51 decimation: no, look in the back of the lot

02:21:58 decimation: you can see on streeview from the east side

02:22:22 asciilifeform: link?

02:22:31 decimation: I donno if you can link streetview

02:22:36 asciilifeform: sure you can

02:24:20 decimation: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.04002,-80.594633,3a,15y,350.65h,88.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szEyWP8_Z1sLrfJUNbmMH6Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

02:24:20 assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kae1l2 )

02:25:14 asciilifeform: l0l aha

02:25:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35512 @ 0.00055305 = 19.6399 BTC [+]

02:28:27 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Telco+214+Inc/@28.0411393,-80.5949096,217m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x6c83f4d824af9701!6m1!1e1

02:28:28 assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaezY6 )

02:28:41 asciilifeform: entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus.

02:29:00 decimation: yeah, that's my first guess too

02:29:05 decimation: an odd business anyway

02:29:16 decimation: it's odd they have such a massive dish too

02:29:28 asciilifeform: i've passed up opportunities to own a truck quite like that, on account of having nowhere to keep it

02:29:54 decimation: it's possible they use the massive dish to hit geo stuff that's very low on the horizon

02:30:07 decimation: but that dish would cost a couple $ mil easy

02:31:23 decimation: one wild theory: this isp and its hangers-on are 'owned' by some tinpot dictator in africa

02:31:34 decimation: who also has access to 'free' electricity - which he uses to mine

02:32:47 decimation: nigeria, for example, is drowning in cheap crude oil - could be 'diverted' to power someone's bitcoin mining operation

02:32:58 decimation: for what reason God only knows

02:35:58 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus. << I remember in the old Tom Clancy novels his various supposed NatSec agencies being funded by "spamzors" and their financial equivalent.

02:36:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not afaik.

02:36:35 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i've passed up opportunities to own a truck quite like that, on account of having nowhere to keep it << Truck like that keeps itself

02:36:53 decimation: ??? how

02:40:08 BingoBoingo: decimation: How does truck keep self?

02:40:45 decimation: yeah? rusts, burns oil

02:41:08 mircea_popescu: crude oil is not realy useful to power an electric plant.

02:42:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144950 @ 0.00054623 = 79.176 BTC [-] {4}

02:42:10 decimation: sure, if you don't give a shit about nasty emissions

02:42:39 mircea_popescu: nah. gotta appreciate, power plants are products of industry like anything else

02:42:51 mircea_popescu: plenty of models made to run onm the heavy stuff left after gas distillation

02:43:00 mircea_popescu: none of them run on crude, not since 1880 at any rate.

02:43:16 mircea_popescu: putting gasoline in a diesel engine is not unlike putting crude oil in a tar or coal plant.

02:43:31 mircea_popescu: and obv the naturasl gas models won't burn it

02:43:43 BingoBoingo: decimation: I was more thinking about how such vehicles create space for themselves.

02:46:27 decimation: mircea_popescu: ships, big power plants run on heavy fuel oil

02:46:45 BingoBoingo: Sure, but heavy oil is not crude

02:49:25 decimation: www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/100439/ < they literally refine it in jungle conditions

02:49:26 TomServo: In other news, I noticed this blurb on the OpenBSD octeon page today: "In June 2015 USB support was added which finally allowed installing to local disk on machines lacking a CF slot."

02:49:41 BingoBoingo: TomServo: Cool

02:49:50 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-07-2015#1195719

02:49:50 assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 21:57:04; decimation: https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg138968.html < ah well then I am pleased to annouce that apparently openbsd will be supporting oceton usb in the very near future

02:50:00 TomServo: The docs don't exactly reflect it, but I can confirm the snapshot of 5.8 does see and boot from usb.

02:50:16 decimation: TomServo: did you install directly onto usb?

02:50:21 BingoBoingo: Nice, made it in before 5.8 hit Beta this week

02:50:28 decimation: or did you write image from another computer?

02:50:43 TomServo: Booted via tftp, installed from there

02:50:52 decimation: ah, thanks for the good report

02:51:03 TomServo: np

02:51:19 TomServo: excited to have just gotten my first console on the edgerouter

02:52:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70789 @ 0.00055363 = 39.1909 BTC [+] {2}

02:55:06 decimation: so the 5.8 release will probably be in the autumn sometime?

02:55:19 decimation: http://www.utahrails.net/up/bunker-c.php < interesting discussion on bunker-c fuel oil

02:55:20 assbot: Union Pacific, Bunker 'C' ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOkAA2 )

02:55:27 TomServo: November, if I recall correctly.

02:55:39 decimation: "Most oil-fired steam locomotives used Bunker C, although in some parts of the country they actually burned raw crude oil. As noted before, Bunker C was readily available and dirt cheap. (Steve Lee, April 18, 2000, via email to The Streamliner discussion group)"

02:56:54 BingoBoingo: decimation: November

02:57:03 decimation: https://powergen.gepower.com/plan-build/products/gas-turbines/9e-03-gas-turbine.html < would burn in something like this

02:57:05 assbot: 9E.03 / 9E.04 Gas Turbine (50 Hz) | GE Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOkVTo )

02:57:14 BingoBoingo: decimation: Point releases happen in May and November on the first

02:57:32 decimation: BingoBoingo: ah thanks

02:58:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44551 @ 0.00055454 = 24.7053 BTC [+] {2}

03:03:55 mircea_popescu: there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps

03:04:02 mircea_popescu: because who the fuck else would not know what fuel he wants to burn

03:04:10 mircea_popescu: in any case the generality comes at an efficiency cost.

03:04:49 decimation: well, a turbine can burn anything. but it's true that if you are burning raw crude it will foul your turbine and require much more maintenance

03:05:13 decimation: because of all the solvents and other shit in the oil

03:06:21 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_GTELs < us railroads used to run these right through the middle of the countryside, belching foul shit

03:06:22 assbot: Union Pacific GTELs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOmIro )

03:06:49 BingoBoingo: They still run through the middle of my countryside, still belch foul shit

03:07:04 decimation: yeah but probably all diesel now

03:10:16 decimation: it seems the real problem with burning crude or heavy fuel oil is that if you have enough civilization to refine the oil, you can make it into much more profitable products

03:10:49 decimation: the net effect being that the amount of 'heavy fuel' (bunker b and c) has shrunk compared to old process - making it more expensive than just using diesel

03:11:09 decimation: this isn't really true in areas that have no advanced refining available

03:12:37 mircea_popescu: soo... imo musk's electric car has failed to reach the sort of growth patterns and penetration goals it needed to survive. it therefore peaked sometime last year, and it will go the same way all the numerous attempts at an electric car since the 20s have went.

03:12:45 mircea_popescu: anyone wanna enter into a tesla stock swap with me /

03:12:46 mircea_popescu: ?

03:12:50 decimation: lul

03:13:04 decimation: you should make a F.DERP for it?

03:14:05 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204022 << the ultimate such is said to be... 'abrams' tank.

03:14:05 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 03:03:55; mircea_popescu: there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps

03:14:29 asciilifeform: which burns, iirc, ten litres, just to start

03:15:05 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, but could probably run on 'jungle oil' if it isn't solidified

03:15:23 mircea_popescu: there is good reason to build a universal engine into a tank intended for 1950s style attreition war.

03:17:09 mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Union_Pacific_first_generation_GTEL_locomotive_1953.JPG << electric car, ftr.

03:17:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOop8j )

03:17:13 mircea_popescu: 1923 Detroit Electric.

03:17:50 asciilifeform: late in the game, too

03:18:03 asciilifeform: height of electromobile was 1890s

03:18:11 mircea_popescu: (exactly the hipster car of today, incdentally. marketed to women and doctors, had curved glass panes, etc)

03:18:16 decimation: honestly elon musk strikes me as a highbrow scammer

03:18:36 decimation: he's figured out how to sell 'dreams' in exchange for usg subsidy and hype

03:19:15 mircea_popescu: this is the case of all us "entrepreneurs" active today.

03:19:37 mircea_popescu: what's mark cuban ?

03:19:40 decimation: to be fair, he does deliver products - rockets, cars, etc

03:19:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: musk is different in the sense of not running the usual 'populist' chumpatron

03:19:43 mircea_popescu: scammed yahoo out of a billion, once

03:19:52 mircea_popescu: made 100 different decisions since, 100 of which were wrong.

03:19:57 decimation: but the economic prospects appear highly dubious

03:20:06 mircea_popescu: a man batting < 1% is certainly not possessed of a clue in the field.

03:20:18 asciilifeform: yet he sleeps ad libitum.

03:20:26 mircea_popescu: all idiots sleep well.

03:20:30 mircea_popescu: that's the mark of idiocy.

03:20:31 asciilifeform: sorta the converse of the usual 'if yer so smart, why aitcha rich' line

03:20:49 asciilifeform: 'if he's such a moron, why does he sleep ad libitum and has no fear of having to do honest wurk'

03:21:14 asciilifeform: ditto branson

03:21:22 mircea_popescu: lol branson, another fine example.

03:21:31 mircea_popescu: he's the business world equivalent of a russian prison whore.

03:21:38 mircea_popescu: every cock was in his asshole.

03:22:09 asciilifeform: yet no matter what these folks do, they never seem to end up begging for change

03:22:14 asciilifeform: or washing cars

03:22:29 asciilifeform: 'wouldn't do', to have royalty besmirched thus

03:26:00 mircea_popescu: msot of them do, yes.

03:26:34 mircea_popescu: the substantial difference between the subset here named and the rest of the set consisting of various reddit experts and your spamming friend has nothing to do with them

03:26:53 asciilifeform: re: oils: was very surprised to discover english (!) piece, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazut

03:26:54 assbot: Mazut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTrt98 )

03:26:58 mircea_popescu: some earthworms find incredible caches of forgotten artefacts. doth not qualify them as archeologists.

03:27:43 mats: tesla doesn't sell electric cars

03:28:00 mats: they sell batteries and infrastructure

03:28:01 mircea_popescu: romania has a bunch of these "intreprinzatori de carton", ie, cardboard entrepreneurs. one notable case (currently in jail) got to keep ~2bn worth of romanian govt money in 1989, on condition of supporting his friends.

03:28:13 mircea_popescu: kept getting 3-500mn/year after that

03:28:23 mircea_popescu: never actually supported anyone worth a squat and is now ~broke

03:28:37 decimation: mats: ?? they have dealer rooms?

03:28:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.0005594 = 23.9144 BTC [+] {2}

03:29:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are sop in the orc world, ru being perhaps the absolute epicentre. but in usa they are especially lulzy on account of the elaborate presences of 'doing business'

03:29:08 mats: that was hyperbolic but you see my point yes?

03:29:22 mircea_popescu: mats the offer stands, you know.

03:29:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just as ellaborate on the other side.

03:29:36 mats: hey, didn't say i'd bet against you

03:29:45 mircea_popescu: catering to different expecations, yes, but anyway

03:29:54 mats: they are massively overvalued right now and i would not be interested in taking the other side

03:29:59 mircea_popescu: aha.

03:30:19 mats: decimation: http://www.cnet.com/news/teslas-elon-musk-introduces-beautiful-money-saving-home-battery-back-up-system etc

03:30:20 assbot: Tesla's Elon Musk introduces 'beautiful' money-saving home battery backup system - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTs0I1 )

03:30:36 decimation: yes, note that this battery system costs many times more than lead-acid

03:31:06 decimation: thus appealing to the kinds of people who want to store electricity but don't care about how much things cost

03:31:28 trinque: I've seen a great many Solar City fliers around, speaking of Musk.

03:31:31 trinque: (in Portland)

03:31:42 trinque: hilariously, these would be useless during the rainy season

03:31:46 asciilifeform: decimation: who 'doesn't care what it costs' - uses pumped hydro

03:31:49 mircea_popescu: anyway, yes they produce cars, and the model s sold a whopping... 75k units

03:31:54 decimation: trinque: they also rely heavily on subsidy

03:32:00 mircea_popescu: that's exactly detroit electric volume touched up for the intervening century.

03:32:01 trinque: decimation: certainly, and loose financing

03:32:22 mats: asciilifeform: yes, and all usable sources have already been dammed

03:32:31 asciilifeform: mats: ~pumped~

03:32:39 asciilifeform: as in, gigantic bottles.

03:32:41 mircea_popescu: in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business.

03:32:49 asciilifeform: mats: energy storage.

03:32:50 mats: oh, right. up and down hills and mountains.

03:32:59 mats: i forgot how efficient it is

03:33:06 asciilifeform: beats li ion

03:33:19 asciilifeform: and the water - doesn't wear out after 200 cycles

03:33:20 decimation: yeah, as in pumping to high lake and draining when needed, like this plant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station

03:33:20 assbot: Dinorwig Power Station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTskGR )

03:34:33 mats: fuck, people are still setting off fireworks in my area

03:34:39 asciilifeform: usg actually had (has?) some chick leading a crackpot mains current to hydrocarbon (yes, electrolysis + oddball catalysts) mega-wunderwaffen dept. in the navy

03:35:00 asciilifeform: no idea if it ever came up with a working nuke-to-petrol magic box.

03:35:04 decimation: asciilifeform: whatever for?

03:35:06 decimation: lol

03:35:26 decimation: if you wanna waste electricity like that, might as well just split water and use hydrogen

03:35:27 asciilifeform: fueling up jets from seawater + nuke plant, was the notion.

03:35:36 asciilifeform: can't do worth shit with h2

03:35:44 asciilifeform: certainly not in a jet

03:35:55 decimation: yeah at least not in any existing ones

03:35:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.0005649 = 14.9134 BTC [+]

03:36:02 asciilifeform: anything involving gaseous h2 is the archetypical 'assembly line for ph.d.'

03:36:08 asciilifeform: ever seen a hose for liquid h ?

03:36:15 decimation: heh I've seen pictures

03:36:26 mats: any idea what fuels modern jets? certainly not jp-9 anymore?

03:36:32 mircea_popescu: just about.

03:36:45 asciilifeform: iirc same thing everyone else burns

03:36:52 decimation: kerosene, more or less

03:36:54 mircea_popescu: iirc the "ethanol jet" thing got canned

03:36:55 asciilifeform: jp-a

03:38:00 mats: >A kerosene-based fuel, JP-8 is projected to remain in use at least until 2025. It was first introduced at NATO bases in 1978. Its NATO code is F-34.

03:38:21 mats: how about that. late 70s tech still keeping the lights on.

03:38:37 decimation: sure, turbine burns kerosene just fine

03:38:42 asciilifeform: fuels haven't really changed (for the better) in a century.

03:39:01 decimation: you could also burn 'heavy fuel oil' in theory, but that's not a terribly great idea in a high reliablity application

03:39:02 asciilifeform: (for worse? sure! where i live, what comes out of the filling station is 10% ethanol ~by law~)

03:39:23 decimation: but the abrams tank would burn jp-8 just fine

03:39:36 asciilifeform: it will burn restaurant grease

03:39:39 asciilifeform: by some accounts

03:39:51 decimation: yeah, probably anything that will run through the pumps

03:41:05 BingoBoingo: Conde Nast & Obama https://archive.is/XLc4K

03:41:06 assbot: Condé Nast's CFO Tried To Pay $2,500 for a Night With a Gay Porn Star ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOs1qT )

03:42:00 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds

03:44:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0005649 = 5.2536 BTC [+]

03:44:40 mircea_popescu: something liek that

03:45:03 mircea_popescu: the alternative was also unpalatable tho. you don't want to engage in a bidding war with the dying gm/ford thing for their lasty remaining shred of relevancy

03:45:06 mircea_popescu: you'll end up overpaying.

03:45:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00054734 = 27.2302 BTC [-]

03:45:32 mircea_popescu: in any case, as a fun tidbit : the 2010 tesla ipo, first us carmaker ipo since ww2, came to half the recently reported plenty of fish sale

03:45:35 asciilifeform: thing is, gm/ford vs tesla is a 'best horse in the glue factory' contest

03:45:46 asciilifeform: american automobility has a very short life expectancy as a going concern

03:46:06 mircea_popescu: (plenty of fish being the 5th or so dating site sold in a decade, which "Dating site" is the twelfth or so wheel on the social media band wagon)

03:46:12 decimation: the only american autos that 'actual people' buy are trunks

03:46:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform precisely.

03:46:15 decimation: trucks

03:47:11 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~ << intellectual authority is a very simple thing in capitalism. see it at work in how the "blockchain size increase" was tranched : once someone says "this is how much it costs", the derps willing to talk were separated from the people willing to pay.

03:47:29 mircea_popescu: on a tinier scale, just happened above re tesla, too.

03:47:52 decimation: yeah, but what market? the 950/1000 block rule?

03:47:57 mircea_popescu: in the end, it reduces to "does he have the intellectual authority to bluff". well... do you have the intellectual authority to call it ?

03:48:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstood, your implication in earlier thread was that satoshi (in the person of his key) could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have such carry weight on account of him being the famous satoshi

03:48:20 mircea_popescu: decimation i mean the original, end of 2014/2015 dispute, about "herp derp we'll raise the block limit"

03:48:26 decimation: ah yes

03:48:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you misunderstood.

03:49:05 mircea_popescu: satoshi could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have everyone (everyone that matters, ie, with money!) presented with the dilemma : do they buy up the stash ? or do they move on to the strange ?

03:49:13 mircea_popescu: this is the only legitimate way to resolve disputes.

03:49:22 mircea_popescu: if his strange sucks, he has nothing to stand on.

03:49:34 mircea_popescu: if his strange does not suck, you can keep talking about its strangeness all you want.

03:49:47 asciilifeform: but suppose that it is something quite like bitcoin circa '09.

03:49:48 trinque: it would be an incredible thing if the man has the keys and has shown this much restraint

03:49:58 asciilifeform: which did not suck (at least mathematically) in any particularly discernible way

03:50:01 mircea_popescu: trinque not that incredible.

03:50:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all i can say is i'd consider it fully.

03:50:22 mircea_popescu: otherwise, not even the us supreme court rules without a case.

03:50:26 asciilifeform: 'does not suck' today, i dare say, is a higher bar than in '09, when there was no bitcoin

03:50:31 mircea_popescu: surely.

03:50:32 asciilifeform: and no $maxint pumped into the storage battery

03:50:37 mircea_popescu: on that point can there be no debate

03:50:44 mircea_popescu: but 5bn is NO SORT OF MAXINT

03:50:51 asciilifeform: ^ point

03:50:51 mircea_popescu: it's a minint in this game.

03:50:58 decimation: ^ yes, bitcoin is still peanuts

03:51:03 asciilifeform: esp. given as it is denominated in zimbabwean unit

03:51:03 decimation: which satoshi realizes, of course

03:51:33 asciilifeform: (i.e. there are probably not 5bn 'turkey-buying-capable' dollars on planet)

03:52:28 mircea_popescu: complicated matters.

03:52:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm off. cheerios.

03:54:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66391 @ 0.00054213 = 35.9926 BTC [-] {3}

03:58:35 *: asciilifeform had a thought: possibly, if satoshi's stash were ~larger~ than it is, he could be considered 'beyond reproach' if he were to surface and propose a fork, on the logic that he could not stand to gain from any deception. but it still would not rule out usgification, or simple error.

03:59:59 asciilifeform: at the risk of beating the record of mircea_popescu's pessimism on the subject of 'future bitcoin': i currently suspect that protocol change might be the proverbial 'stone so heavy, god cannot lift'

04:02:13 asciilifeform: not because it is impossible to devise improved mechanisms - but on account of the 'pascal's wager' involved

04:02:18 trinque: him staying silent during things like the blocksize "debate" speaks volumes imo

04:02:51 mats: or perhaps he reads the logs.

04:02:54 trinque: dunno how someone who was paranoid enough to never speak his own name would allow gavin and company to crawl all over his greatest work

04:02:58 mats: howssat for a political coup

04:03:01 asciilifeform: or was long found, and silenced.

04:03:27 trinque: or he could be *that* principled and I could be a crass moron

04:03:29 trinque: who knows

04:03:43 trinque: "they can have it if they do not break it"

04:03:49 mats: though on last check he seemed to be more likely to be aligned with gavin (bitcoin for the people, etc)

04:03:50 asciilifeform: fella runs winblowz

04:04:03 trinque: too bad if so

04:04:13 asciilifeform: usg could find him inside an hour by, e.g., issuing an xp 'update'

04:04:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56561 @ 0.00053548 = 30.2873 BTC [-] {3}

04:04:36 trinque: yeah, I have to say I find him having been found as the most likely

04:05:13 asciilifeform: if this - then we can conclude that he had the backbone to pull the pin

04:05:50 asciilifeform: (and if not, we will likely learn about it soon enough)

04:06:47 trinque: if he is the VS/winderz derp, how is it that he generated unbreakable keys?

04:06:57 trinque: fuck knows I don't know how to approach it if he did

04:07:02 asciilifeform: trinque: go, break the other winblowz schmucks' keys

04:07:03 trinque: but *someone* ?

04:07:18 trinque: if one guy at the NSA is the only one who can...

04:07:22 *: trinque shrugs

04:07:35 trinque: what I'm saying is that runs contrary to the derp theory

04:08:04 asciilifeform: trinque: i won't comment on meta-nsa, but classic nsa works on statistical aggregates rather than individuals - at least when dealing with mass collections rather than targeted shots

04:08:23 asciilifeform: no one 'has all keys'

04:08:26 trinque: yeah

04:09:04 trinque: I read all day about how intel's backdoored, mobo's backdoored, so on so on

04:09:07 trinque: and yet his keys are safe

04:09:17 trinque: or at least would appear to be

04:09:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9135 @ 0.00055481 = 5.0682 BTC [+]

04:10:08 trinque: I suppose he could be the windows derp and still know to at least use a separate airgapped box for the keys

04:10:23 asciilifeform: again the 'all keys' thing

04:10:27 asciilifeform: not how it works

04:10:47 asciilifeform: mr s was not yet famous and hated in '09

04:11:24 trinque: I was not around for the early days

04:11:30 asciilifeform: not necessary

04:12:01 trinque: but I take your point; there wouldn't have been reason to target someone like him until doing so wouldn't have mattered

04:12:05 asciilifeform: but must understand, the more exotic the diddle, the more of a (to borrow mircea_popescu's term) 'glass cannon'

04:12:18 trinque: mhm, fire once

04:12:21 asciilifeform: picture if i am sitting here and i see it

04:12:43 asciilifeform: (and chances are, i will, l0l)

04:12:48 asciilifeform: spent.

04:13:59 asciilifeform: one may speculate all day re: the particulars of usg 'glass artillery', but it suffices to say that such is not fired at a crowd

04:15:16 asciilifeform: (there is a kind of 'valley' in between the ordinary weaponry and the 'glass' - e.g., tor diddles which would 'expire' immediately if publicly revealed, but are good for plenty of 'parallel construction' meanwhile, etc.)

04:16:02 trinque: right, say there's a decent way to do factoring. I think I pulled that one from your blog

04:16:11 asciilifeform: but the point i was trying to make is that your cpu is not transmitting to the proverbial black helicopter 24/7

04:16:19 trinque: certainly

04:16:37 asciilifeform: trinque: aha. archetypical 'glass cannon.'

04:18:03 trinque: put plainly, watching phuctor phuck, I'd thought that there surely must be some way of doing the same thing on badly generated bitcoin addresses

04:18:22 asciilifeform: trinque: this was done. for 'android' wallet of one kind or another

04:18:28 asciilifeform: re-used 'k'

04:18:33 trinque: ah

04:18:39 asciilifeform: fella walked with a good bit of coin

04:18:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80700 @ 0.00056534 = 45.6229 BTC [+] {2}

04:21:51 mats: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07/16/egyptian-navy-vessel-ablaze-after-catching-fire-while-docked-off-sinai-northern

04:21:52 assbot: ISIS says it destroyed Egyptian ship with rocket | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxqvU2 )

04:22:29 mats: https://ent.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadist-News/is-sinai-province-claims-destroying-egyptian-frigate-in-mediterranean.html source

04:22:30 assbot: IS’ Sinai Province Claims Destroying Egyptian Frigate in Mediterranean | Jihadist News | Articles ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mxqyzj )

04:22:57 mats: http://imgur.com/a/W9mQt stills

04:22:58 assbot: Sinai Islamic State attack on Egyptian Navy Ship, Rafah - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxqCis )

04:24:42 asciilifeform: notbad.jpg

04:25:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00057055 = 16.8312 BTC [+] {2}

04:26:41 asciilifeform: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/10/first-slaying-on-dc-metro-in-its-40-year-history-witnesses-watched-but-didnt << linked from same

04:26:43 assbot: First slaying on DC Metro in its 40-year history: Witnesses watched but didn't intervene | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoMFsX )

04:27:11 mats: matter of time til they catch USN sailors sleeping on guard duty and kill a vessel, IMO

04:28:03 decimation: well, they were foolish to be within range of antitank missile

04:32:51 mats: iirc older .ru ATGMs have a range of ~5km

04:33:30 asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if anyone has ever hit a boat-sized target with these from even 1km

04:33:58 mats: easy enough to maneuver a series of boats into range if not firing from the coast

04:36:08 decimation: asciilifeform: where did that stabbing take place?

04:36:50 asciilifeform: claims - in a train

04:36:51 mats: http://cembu.ru/view-video/O3bVUyJKxpk/compilation-of-over-100-atgm-shots-in-syria.html

04:36:55 assbot: Download Video Compilation of Over 100 ATGM Shots In Syria (36min 40sec) in 3GP, MP4, FLV and WEBM Format - Cembu.ru ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxrwLX )

04:36:55 asciilifeform: but does not say where the train was

04:37:28 decimation: ah, apparently wapo reported in their 'metro' section http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2015/02/04/stabbing-reported-on-metro-train-at-federal-center-sw/

04:37:29 assbot: Stabbing reported on Metro train at Federal Center SW - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxrAeO )

04:37:34 decimation: it apparently happened at l'enfant

04:37:56 mats: hard to tell but many of those targets look well over 3km

04:38:37 asciilifeform: mats: neato

04:40:10 decimation: "Police and a witness interviewed said passengers trapped in the moving train huddled at both ends of the car and watched in horror as Spires punched 24-year-old Kevin Joseph Sutherland until he fell to the floor, then stabbed him until he was dead. Court documents say the victim was cut or stabbed 30 or 40 times, in the chest, abdomen, back, side and arms. "

04:40:17 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/victim-in-metro-slaying-stabbed-repeatedly-during-robbery-on-train/2015/07/07/8dd09132-249b-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html

04:40:18 assbot: Horrified passengers witnessed brutal July 4 slaying aboard Metro car - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoOshS )

04:40:29 decimation: note: the victim was a skinny white guy

04:41:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00057436 = 13.6123 BTC [+]

04:41:10 asciilifeform: it is interesting that anyone still bothers to steal phones

04:41:40 mats: particularly dumb criminals, i suppose

04:42:05 mats: iirc some folks finally convinced carriers to disable stolen phones?

04:42:16 decimation: supposedly he was 'high' on 'synthetic marijuana'

04:42:34 mats: lol, 'spice' (research chemicals)?

04:44:10 decimation: http://wtop.com/dc/2015/07/metro-stabbing-unleashes-debate-should-passengers-have-helped-victim/ "Friends say Sutherland, a Connecticut native, loved advocating for progressive causes."

04:44:11 assbot: Metro stabbing unleashes debate: Should passengers have helped victim - WTOP ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoOSET )

04:45:01 *: asciilifeform was, somehow, labouring under the notion that murder was routine aboard dc metro. mainly by folks being pushed into the pit

04:45:21 asciilifeform: and that it was for this reason that it was not a common nyooz item.

04:45:33 decimation: asciilifeform: do you think metro could tell the difference between suicide and murder?

04:45:34 asciilifeform: for all i know, the above is the actual fact.

04:45:41 asciilifeform: decimation: why would they want to tell the difference.

04:46:18 decimation: asciilifeform: maybe because it took place on a moving train

04:46:30 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-investigate-homicide-at-parking-garage-of-wheaton-metro-stop/2015/07/15/9dc2fb6e-2ad8-11e5-a250-42bd812efc09_story.html < all kinds of murdering going on

04:46:31 assbot: Police say two in custody after fatal shooting at Wheaton Metro station - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoPavn )

04:47:10 asciilifeform: decimation: orc-orc

04:47:14 asciilifeform: hence not nyooz

04:47:15 decimation: asciilifeform: no, it's not a common news item (the murdering) because of 'advocates of progressive causes'

04:47:23 asciilifeform: orc-civvie - nyooz

04:47:28 decimation: kinda

04:47:38 decimation: civvie-orc - mega-ny00z

04:47:40 asciilifeform: civvie-orc - national 'day of genuflection, r4c1sm5!!!!!' nyooz

04:47:44 asciilifeform: aha

04:48:44 trinque: some kid made the funny papers the other day in portland

04:48:56 trinque: orc on orc I think it was

04:49:58 trinque: http://www.wgme.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/portland-police-make-arrest-fatal-old-port-shooting-28284.shtml

04:49:58 assbot: Portland police make an arrest in fatal Old Port shooting - WGME - Portland ME Top Stories - News, Sports, Weather, Traffic ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxsnfB )

04:50:31 trinque: this notion that "someone should've helped" is hilarious

04:50:35 trinque: how? human shield?

04:50:44 decimation: asciilifeform: have you noticed that yarvin's blog is gradually disappearing from google search results

04:51:20 asciilifeform: aha

04:51:58 asciilifeform: perhaps b-a pushed it out.

04:52:18 asciilifeform: i can't seem to search for anything at all without turning up half a dozen b-a link turdz

04:52:44 asciilifeform: irrespective of proxy or cookieless wwwtron

04:52:57 asciilifeform: !up MoltenBosnia

04:52:59 decimation: I know he wrote about the splc and the right wing route to power

04:53:09 MoltenBosnia: hello

04:53:13 decimation: asciilifeform: also I note his comments seem to have more weight than the text

04:53:18 asciilifeform: who might you be, MoltenBosnia ?

04:53:27 MoltenBosnia: I have otc rating just gotta get laptop with keys running.

04:54:03 decimation: ah "In a world dominated by progressives, the fascist gate to power is closed, locked, welded shut, filled with a thousand tons of concrete, and surrounded by starving cave bears. Today's Apparat has entire departments who do nothing but guard this door, which no one but a few pathetic dorks will even think of approaching."

04:54:30 decimation: ^ why civvie-orc murdering is trumpeted

04:54:53 asciilifeform: everybody with even a cursory familiarity with landscape of daily life in usa, knows this

04:55:25 decimation: note that 'pathetic dork' seems to fit the description of that guy in charleston

04:55:48 asciilifeform: see the 1,001 'where are the smart t3rr0r1stz!!11' threads.

04:55:55 decimation: indeed.

04:56:16 asciilifeform: the smart generals are in their armchairs.

04:57:00 decimation: trinque: did you manage to make a copy of yarvin's blog?

04:57:04 trinque: I did

04:57:16 decimation: did you use that crawler deal?

04:57:27 trinque: yeah, the one iirc punkman recommended

04:57:29 trinque: worked fine

04:57:37 asciilifeform: http://moldbuggery.blogspot.com << indexed mirror

04:57:37 assbot: Moldbuggery ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoQw9C )

04:57:38 trinque: interface is a little goofy, but I got the files I wanted

04:57:45 asciilifeform: ^ also worth backing up

04:57:51 asciilifeform: if you're into mr mold

04:58:03 trinque: cool

04:58:05 decimation: apparently now is the time to acquire a copy, before it disappears forever into google's memory hole

04:58:13 decimation: for they surely do not wish to hold it

04:58:21 trinque: decimation: I am taking that attitude towards every piece of valuable information I find.

04:59:43 asciilifeform: wget -m

05:00:08 decimation: does it snip the comments?

05:00:20 asciilifeform: how would it.

05:00:33 mats: hm, some of the missiles fired in that video appear to have traveled more than 5km based on ~30s flight time

05:00:35 decimation: blogspot-specific shit

05:00:46 mats: apparently isis has some of the spiffier, longer range ATGMs

05:00:55 asciilifeform: donated by usg

05:01:02 decimation: either them or modern ru

05:01:12 asciilifeform: the latter charges

05:01:15 asciilifeform: usg - free

05:01:31 asciilifeform: wget of mr mold - 114MB, 16sec

05:01:41 decimation: heh nice

05:01:41 asciilifeform: notbad.

05:02:34 trinque: asciilifeform: mind if I eat loper-os too?

05:02:41 asciilifeform: trinque: eat, if you like

05:02:51 *: asciilifeform surprised that anyone needs it for anything

05:03:08 trinque: I am a student farther back on my lisp quest

05:03:14 trinque: helpful perspectives on that

05:03:15 asciilifeform: while we're on the subject, am i the only one somewhat dismayed that the one site that probably has no public backup is mircea_popescu's www ?

05:03:59 asciilifeform: (we all know why. and i'm gonna guess that he doesn't give a damn, 'nobody needed the library of alexandria for anything')

05:05:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00057436 = 7.8687 BTC [+]

05:05:50 decimation: ah, apparently the httrack widget creates an index as it copies

05:06:20 decimation: yeah, and to make a mirror would be a bit costly

05:07:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.00056712 = 44.8025 BTC [-] {2}

05:07:38 trinque: the cost per credit is quite reasonable

05:08:56 trinque: couldn't tell from the site itself precisely how many posts there are

05:09:43 trinque: but I'd not archive it without permission

05:10:02 trinque: since there is are explicit terms right there on the site for use

05:11:10 trinque: *are

05:11:36 decimation: lul http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/naacp-wants-removal-confederate-generals-stone-mou/nmyKH/ "The Atlanta chapter of the NAACP officially called for the elimination of all symbols of the Confederacy from Stone Mountain."

05:11:38 assbot: NAACP wants removal of Confederate generals from Stone Mountain | www.wsbtv.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoSsyM )

05:12:10 decimation: for those who haven't seen it, it's a big rock cliff face with robert e lee, stonewall jackson, and jefferson davis

05:12:38 trinque: decimation: sort of an unsettling development, "progress" not satisfied until history never even happened

05:12:55 decimation: yes, as ascii says, the 'having been stolen from' will be stolen too

05:16:40 trinque: I have been musing lately on the relationship between sovereignty, language/meaning creation, and delusional behavior such as this.

05:17:00 trinque: as though if you trust a weapon such as sovereignty to the wrong people, you get this nonsense

05:17:07 trinque: they blow their own heads off

05:17:11 decimation: http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2815%2900671-5 "Here, we demonstrate that the three-dimensional geometry of cortical surface is highly predictive of individuals’ genetic ancestry in West Africa, Europe, East Asia, and America, even though their genetic background has been shaped by multiple waves of migratory and admixture events."

05:17:16 assbot: DEFINE_ME_WA ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoTkUc )

05:18:04 trinque: let me see if I can restate: the mechanism of modern american narcissism for example is precisely that the type of person walks around thinking they can simply declare things to be so, because they feel they ought to be

05:18:10 decimation: trinque: yes, what is happening in the west is akin to self-immolation of some kind

05:18:43 trinque: a leader does this same thing, but not as a sort of onanist

05:18:51 trinque: he declares meaning for a larger group

05:19:58 decimation: !up optimator

05:20:15 decimation: a traveler from the cloud

05:24:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108062 @ 0.00054869 = 59.2925 BTC [-] {5}

05:41:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204373 << iirc that was in a mircea_popescu piece

05:41:15 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:12:55; decimation: yes, as ascii says, the 'having been stolen from' will be stolen too

05:43:29 mats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/dcs-chinatown-has-only-300-chinese-americans-left--and-fighting-to-stay/2015/07/16/86d54e84-2191-11e5-bf41-c23f5d3face1_story.html

05:43:30 assbot: D.C.’s Chinatown has only 300 Chinese Americans left, and they’re fighting to stay. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoXtYd )

05:46:45 asciilifeform: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-del-ariana-kelly-arrested-for-indecent-exposure-trespassing/2015/07/14/06a29486-2a58-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html << linked, lulz

05:46:47 assbot: Maryland Del. Ariana Kelly charged with indecent exposure, trespassing - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoXUSg )

05:47:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84223 @ 0.00054524 = 45.9217 BTC [-] {2}

05:49:56 mats: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2015/071615-international-report-confirms-2014-was-earths-warmest-year-on-record.html

05:49:57 assbot: International report confirms: 2014 was Earth’s warmest year on record ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoYmjm )

05:51:15 trinque: mats: at least in the case of the west antarctic glacier I read something interesting regarding the involvement of geologic activity

05:52:38 trinque: looking for it

05:53:55 trinque: http://phys.org/news/2015-07-surprisingly-high-geothermal-beneath-west.html

05:53:57 assbot: Study finds surprisingly high geothermal heating beneath West Antarctic Ice Sheet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTLJHA )

05:54:41 trinque: of course warming is also occurring

05:54:59 trinque: sounds though like that glacier *is* headed for the ocean

05:56:32 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204274 <<< haha white guilt libs getting their just deserts https://puu.sh/iQ1v2/2ff220321a.jpg

05:56:32 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:40:10; decimation: "Police and a witness interviewed said passengers trapped in the moving train huddled at both ends of the car and watched in horror as Spires punched 24-year-old Kevin Joseph Sutherland until he fell to the floor, then stabbed him until he was dead. Court documents say the victim was cut or stabbed 30 or 40 times, in the chest, abdomen, back, side and arms. "

05:56:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTM5hu )

05:58:08 mats: trinque: fun times ahead

05:59:46 mats: 'having killed someone doesn't make you a killer' hue hue hue

06:11:28 trinque: wtf, namecheap just blasted out an e-mail demanding rudely that I verify my email address due to ICANN something something

06:12:06 cazalla: trinque, they have been doing that every year for the past few years if memory serves

06:12:19 trinque: how bout I start deedbotting IPs and names and let that be that

06:12:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32655 @ 0.00053197 = 17.3715 BTC [-] {2}


06:33:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80774 @ 0.00053105 = 42.895 BTC [-] {3}

06:34:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7424 @ 0.00052484 = 3.8964 BTC [-]

06:49:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00054691 = 13.7548 BTC [+] {2}

07:16:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126800 @ 0.00054068 = 68.5582 BTC [-] {2}

07:23:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13883 @ 0.00053922 = 7.486 BTC [-]

07:28:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81912 @ 0.00053922 = 44.1686 BTC [-]

07:29:48 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 285 @ 0.0039091 = 1.1141 BTC [+]

07:35:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00056287 = 28.5375 BTC [+] {2}

07:48:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00053851 = 31.2874 BTC [-] {2}

07:51:53 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204244 << also happened to blockchain.info, and I remember posting a paper about similar attacks against HD wallets

07:51:53 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:18:22; asciilifeform: trinque: this was done. for 'android' wallet of one kind or another

07:54:19 punkman: also Counterparty wallet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.msg6354587#msg6354587

07:54:21 assbot: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dk55oe )

08:00:14 punkman: also hilarious https://github.com/jim618/multibit/issues/403

08:00:15 assbot: Generated invalid address '1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh' · Issue #403 · jim618/multibit · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dk5nLK )

08:00:39 shinohai: > A must-buy for @Gavin: http://amzn.to/1KaCQ0l

08:00:41 assbot: Amazon.com - Corbis Images - Sperm in Testis of a Rat Peel and Stick Wall Decal by Wallmonkeys - ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dk5tDf )

08:00:41 punkman: that's the address for secret exponent=0

08:01:00 punkman: it's currently unspendable, though I think you might be able to spend it on 0.5.3

08:01:31 shinohai: sweet, you think you could make counterparty work?

08:01:52 punkman: huh?

08:03:02 shinohai: oh multibit. I never liked it so never used it

08:03:24 punkman: apparently more than one person hit that bug with multibit https://github.com/steauacris89/MULTIBIT-BUG-/issues/1

08:03:26 assbot: MULTIBIT BUG , PLEASE RETURN MY BTC · Issue #1 · steauacris89/MULTIBIT-BUG- · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dk5Aic )

08:03:29 *: shinohai is just coming awake, having coffee @ 4 am

08:04:26 shinohai: tbh i thought maybe 50 people used multibit

08:05:25 punkman: I believe someone has actually sold the private key of the above address

08:05:42 punkman: then the guy that bought it realizes he can't spend anything from the address

08:05:55 punkman: good scam

08:09:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00055528 = 5.9137 BTC [+]

08:20:52 punkman: interestingly, "re-used k" is how the Playstation 3 keys were broken

08:22:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00055528 = 3.8314 BTC [+]

08:27:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00056318 = 12.0521 BTC [+]

08:31:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00055631 = 12.4613 BTC [-]

08:52:13 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Julia Reda ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B412BD191BF10DAB6AAB6A8779A3F08D31AC5E3FB748DDBFB1DB18CDF05B6BEF#6269187B70BE0F1B4094A0DCA78923F50E78C97F8B3999BAB3DE5974003B393F

08:53:19 davout: ohai boludos

09:04:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00056428 = 34.675 BTC [+] {2}

09:15:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.00056458 = 27.4668 BTC [+]

09:26:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100050 @ 0.00055131 = 55.1586 BTC [-] {2}

09:27:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70678 @ 0.00053962 = 38.1393 BTC [-]

09:56:11 jurov: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/17/the-square-kilometre-array-radio-silence-in-western-australia-for-most-powerful-telescope-in-history

09:56:12 assbot: The Square Kilometre Array: radio silence in Western Australia for most powerful telescope in history | Science | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8cEWt )

09:56:21 jurov: "Given that no computer exists that will be able to deal with the volume of what SKA will produce, the success of the project rests on the continuing robustness of Moore’s law: that every 18 to 24 months computer processing power will double."

09:57:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45039 @ 0.00052954 = 23.85 BTC [-]

09:57:20 jurov: dem miners

09:57:34 mircea_popescu: eh, journos.

09:57:43 mircea_popescu: da fuck they know about distributed computing.

09:59:08 jurov: shipping yottabytes from australia?

09:59:32 jurov: it smells to me like it really needs to be processed on the spot

09:59:48 mircea_popescu: because there's going toi be a single box yottabyte processor.

09:59:55 jurov: ^indeed.

09:59:57 mircea_popescu: looky, distributed doesn't mean geographically dispersed.

10:00:55 jurov: i mean, moore's not what they expect anymore, they may end up needing gigawatts of ower and cooling,

10:01:01 jurov: meticulously RF shielded

10:01:39 jurov: whether 10km or 100km away from the site does not make such big difference

10:04:12 jurov: and then someone will hax it and use radio as mere entropy source for mining :DDDD

10:04:19 cazalla: meanwhile down under http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-16/pirate-radio-station-near-portland-shut-down-operator-fined/6625792

10:04:21 assbot: Pirate radio station near Portland shut down, operator fined - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8dwKT )

10:26:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.00053599 = 36.7421 BTC [+] {2}

10:28:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204200 << it doesn't take much "principled" for "psychopaths". they're the people who don't give a shit, remember ? not even about PEOPLE THEMSELVES!111!!

10:28:31 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:03:27; trinque: or he could be *that* principled and I could be a crass moron

10:32:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.0005389 = 34.9746 BTC [+] {3}

10:34:06 shinohai: meanwhile my pogo is running smooth: I've been connected to mpex.btc for 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 6 seconds.

10:34:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28571 @ 0.00054353 = 15.5292 BTC [+]

10:35:05 mircea_popescu: to wut ?!

10:35:52 shinohai: i connected to your node until it failed, now i just have 1 connection.

10:38:10 mircea_popescu: oh oh.

10:38:23 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be up and down as i play with this nonsense block.

10:38:47 shinohai: yes i bookmarked that as "ph0rk 1"

10:39:09 shinohai: I am keeping a messy log of it

10:39:46 shinohai: danielpbarron was down the day i got my pogo of all days.

10:41:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204235 << ever since the block exporter thing i've been mentally picturing you like that scene in brazil

10:41:52 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:12:43; asciilifeform: (and chances are, i will, l0l)

10:41:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00052475 = 38.2018 BTC [-] {2}

10:43:11 shinohai: so i am stalled, but it is a hell of a device, this pogo

10:44:43 mircea_popescu: not bad huh

10:45:18 shinohai: i am sure it will kick ass when i get an actual ssd

10:46:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00055306 = 16.7024 BTC [+] {2}

10:46:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204259 << afaik us navy is keeping a safe distance specifically for this reason

10:46:48 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:27:11; mats: matter of time til they catch USN sailors sleeping on guard duty and kill a vessel, IMO

10:47:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204260 << anti tank incendiary ?!

10:47:15 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:28:03; decimation: well, they were foolish to be within range of antitank missile

10:47:37 mircea_popescu: that was a high exposive incendiary of some sort.

10:48:23 mircea_popescu: prolly fired some ancient ru howitzer at the thing.

10:56:43 mircea_popescu: check it out, Jasper Spires is black.

11:02:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204308 << not updated in a while neh ?

11:02:04 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:50:44; decimation: asciilifeform: have you noticed that yarvin's blog is gradually disappearing from google search results

11:03:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204319 << dude gtfo, seriously. door's wide open. usians are mentally retarded.

11:03:03 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:54:03; decimation: ah "In a world dominated by progressives, the fascist gate to power is closed, locked, welded shut, filled with a thousand tons of concrete, and surrounded by starving cave bears. Today's Apparat has entire departments who do nothing but guard this door, which no one but a few pathetic dorks will even think of approaching."

11:03:14 mircea_popescu: nobody's guarding it but the nails in their forehead.

11:03:17 mircea_popescu: the self-driven nails.

11:03:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00052456 = 13.114 BTC [-] {2}

11:04:59 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i watched a great film recently. "knockaround guys". it has some great names in it (malkovich has by now taken his obsession with 'voice training' to the point he has a serious speech impediment, his mental issues with voice remind one of angelina jolie and secondary sexual characteristics)

11:05:23 mircea_popescu: but the thing is so bad, ill conceived, mishapen and plain out lame as you couldn't believe.

11:05:45 mircea_popescu: at some point four utter dorks riding around in a car go "imagine, guys like us. we could be owning this place in a week!"

11:06:11 mircea_popescu: unintentional for sure, but an excellent expose of mental retardation, us style.

11:10:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00055972 = 9.4033 BTC [+]

11:11:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204359 << nothing keeps you from making your own private backup.

11:11:13 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:03:59; asciilifeform: (we all know why. and i'm gonna guess that he doesn't give a damn, 'nobody needed the library of alexandria for anything')

11:11:26 mircea_popescu: at the cost of whatever coupla bux it comes to.

11:13:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204365 << 7,203 atm.

11:13:52 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:08:56; trinque: couldn't tell from the site itself precisely how many posts there are

11:14:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204366 << you certainly can make your own backup. fair use is fair use.

11:14:33 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:09:43; trinque: but I'd not archive it without permission

11:16:00 punkman: how many of those are in romanian btw

11:16:28 mircea_popescu: mmm

11:17:11 mircea_popescu: lemme see. tho i'd expect folks with the archival bent to want to preserve those particularly. who even knows what they actually say.

11:19:57 mircea_popescu: 1384 in english, rest in ro

11:20:17 punkman: oh wow, we've missed all kinds of good stuff

11:21:24 mircea_popescu: we have ? o.O

11:21:41 punkman: us that don't read romanian

11:22:59 mircea_popescu: in fairness a lot of it is not legitimately interesting other than to try and pry into "the personality of the man" etc. lots of style discussions, places nobody really gives a shit about etc.

11:23:25 mircea_popescu: a good chunk of the legitimately interesting stuff was linked either here in reference to soemthing or in english articles etc.

11:23:35 mircea_popescu: then again... who knows what i'm even forgetting.

11:23:37 mircea_popescu: !up hazirafel

11:24:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204405 << right out the "i'm not gay, i just like the taste of cock is all" book.

11:24:31 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:59:46; mats: 'having killed someone doesn't make you a killer' hue hue hue

11:25:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204406 << you must be new, this has been ongoing once a year for half a decade or some shit.

11:25:09 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 06:11:28; trinque: wtf, namecheap just blasted out an e-mail demanding rudely that I verify my email address due to ICANN something something

11:49:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00054698 = 2.9537 BTC [-]

11:51:34 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://loungeoflust.tumblr.com/post/84864298407/the-foreplay-part-1-x-art

11:51:35 assbot: Loungeoflust - The foreplay part 1 (X-Art) ... ( http://bit.ly/1faiucJ )

11:56:43 shinohai: That may be the find of the week

12:25:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38032 @ 0.00052479 = 19.9588 BTC [-]

12:38:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48450 @ 0.00052479 = 25.4261 BTC [-]

12:44:51 cazalla: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/17/coontown-a-noxious-racist-corner-of-reddit-survives-recent-purge/

12:44:51 assbot: ‘Coontown': A noxious, racist corner of Reddit survives recent purge - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1HV0t95 )

12:47:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88182 @ 0.0005247 = 46.2691 BTC [-] {2}

12:54:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70200 @ 0.000533 = 37.4166 BTC [+] {2}

13:02:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71101 @ 0.0005545 = 39.4255 BTC [+] {2}

13:09:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00052371 = 25.6618 BTC [-] {3}

13:38:51 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/pElWUj6.jpg

13:38:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9KPwS )

13:50:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53393 @ 0.00055572 = 29.6716 BTC [+]

14:02:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00052911 = 13.7039 BTC [-]

14:13:13 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204405 << well, this is true if you're, say, robert durst

14:13:13 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:59:46; mats: 'having killed someone doesn't make you a killer' hue hue hue

14:13:36 pete_dushenski: http://www.thejinxhbo.com/ << have not personally watched, but have it on good authority that it's chillingly riveting

14:13:37 assbot: THE JINX ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjUrV2 )

14:16:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109479 @ 0.00052369 = 57.3331 BTC [-] {2}

14:17:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53268 @ 0.00052172 = 27.791 BTC [-]

14:25:59 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204253 << damn. anyone still think that isis is 'a nuisance and if they become anything more they’ll all be killed.' ?

14:25:59 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:22:57; mats: http://imgur.com/a/W9mQt stills

14:35:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00052814 = 10.3515 BTC [+]

14:36:18 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/30/climate-change-is-a-good-thing-not-the-apocalypse-mkay/#comment-23136 << lel. angry climatards be angry. and non-specifically so.

14:36:20 assbot: Climate change is a good thing, NOT THE APOCALYPSE, mkay? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjXiNE )

14:38:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00052814 = 23.6079 BTC [+]

14:40:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204482 << the one with the pipes ?

14:40:16 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 10:41:52; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204235 << ever since the block exporter thing i've been mentally picturing you like that scene in brazil

14:41:06 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teufz17PqoY

14:41:07 assbot: Terry Gilliam's Movie Brazil - Plumbers' Nasty End - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjXTyV )

14:44:26 asciilifeform: ^ mega-film

14:45:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204552 << me.

14:45:40 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 14:25:59; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204253 << damn. anyone still think that isis is 'a nuisance and if they become anything more they’ll all be killed.' ?

14:45:57 asciilifeform: they're merely the latest incarnation of usg's dept. of foreign devil menace.

14:46:16 pete_dushenski: aha. al-queda 2.0 ?

14:46:17 asciilifeform: muppet theatre

14:46:24 asciilifeform: taliban 2

14:46:57 asciilifeform: wake me up when they bag a plumbooker

14:47:07 asciilifeform: (^ not a high bar! even 'jonestown' managed)

14:47:42 pete_dushenski: mkay. well you have to admit that they're considerably farther reaching than 'taliban'

14:47:53 punkman: what's a plumbooker?

14:48:02 pete_dushenski: magick usians

14:48:28 asciilifeform: punkman: usa has the equivalent of su nomenklatura. as in, an actual phone book of the annointed

14:48:39 shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 i haz pogoplug demo video xD

14:48:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:49:05 punkman: "The United States Government Policy and Supporting Positions, commonly known as the Plum Book, is published every four years, after the Presidential election.  The Plum Book is used to identify presidentially appointed positions within the Federal Government"

14:49:06 punkman: oic

14:50:32 asciilifeform: there is a thicker, nameless book which contains the list of SES ('senior executive service') employees

14:50:53 asciilifeform: (the highest rank in usg's 'non-political' civil service ladder.)

14:51:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58475 @ 0.0005217 = 30.5064 BTC [-] {2}

14:51:05 punkman: https://github.com/NYTimes/plumbook apparently around 5k people

14:51:06 assbot: NYTimes/plumbook · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjZkxq )

14:52:06 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura << for utter n00bz

14:52:07 assbot: Nomenklatura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjZvc6 )

14:53:04 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1203852 << very nicely done, BingoBoingo ! one of your better pieces lately.

14:53:04 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 01:05:21; scoopbot_revived: Limits of Moore's Law Challenge Intel - Questions About Future Performance http://qntra.net/2015/07/limits-of-moores-law-challenge-intel-questions-about-future-performance/

14:59:26 decimation: it's true, it looks like the 7-10 nm range is gonna be a strech for production

14:59:44 decimation: obviously prototypes have been created, but it's another matter to crank out such chips in production

15:00:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45404 @ 0.00053386 = 24.2394 BTC [+]

15:00:14 pete_dushenski: well if bitcoin is just a prototype...

15:02:42 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/07/bb-transcript-redact.htm << from the lulzfarm

15:02:43 assbot: Text Redacted from Barrett Brown Sentencing Transcript ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok0NUv )

15:14:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17773 @ 0.00052168 = 9.2718 BTC [-]

15:26:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00052105 = 33.8683 BTC [-] {2}

15:33:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56100 @ 0.00052072 = 29.2124 BTC [-] {2}

15:40:48 mats: https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ARPD << rapid7 had an IPO

15:40:48 assbot: Rapid7 Inc: NASDAQ:RPD quotes & news - Google Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1Myo0kB )

15:40:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3074 @ 0.00053386 = 1.6411 BTC [+]

15:41:41 mats: someone fucked up when pricing their shares

16:05:45 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski ty

16:05:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:07:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8626 @ 0.00053588 = 4.6225 BTC [+]

16:09:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8063 @ 0.00052607 = 4.2417 BTC [-]

16:21:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79098 @ 0.00052065 = 41.1824 BTC [-]

16:25:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25120 @ 0.00054036 = 13.5738 BTC [+] {2}

16:26:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30280 @ 0.00054485 = 16.4981 BTC [+]

16:34:21 pete_dushenski: http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/70c4b127bfeed75f9f333fb742c21a3c6d11fee5e3e1f5917099523754b82b4f << 4.89 mn days destroyed in one transaction.

16:34:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J56C88 )

16:34:39 pete_dushenski: seems like a lot but i have to admit that i rarely look at such things.

16:37:14 pete_dushenski: $goog pops 15%, $etsy 26% this morning.

16:40:05 shinohai: I heard that a bunch of sjw's got upset because etsy won't let you sell spells anymore.

16:40:13 fluffypony: lol

16:40:35 pete_dushenski: leave spells to the dark markets

16:40:46 shinohai: ^

16:44:54 trinque: mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204366 << you certainly can make your own backup. fair use is fair use. << cool

16:44:54 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:09:43; trinque: but I'd not archive it without permission

16:46:00 *: trinque has all this disk and so little worthwhile content with which to fill it

16:46:18 trinque: I'm thinking of making it a semi-official function of deedbot to archive a particular site at a particular time and timestamp the bundle

16:47:33 punkman: that would make some pretty big bundles though

16:49:26 trinque: punkman: I just snagged a machine with a few raid cards and 8 drives, but yeah, probably so

16:49:57 trinque: I might make the rating requirement for site-archival a bit higher than for deeds

16:50:06 trinque: anyhow, just musing on the thought currently

16:51:29 punkman: URL deeding would be handy

16:51:39 punkman: we had a couple threads about it

17:06:24 BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/17/7bfd5030ace80a22f705338783cbb3b3.jpg

17:06:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dl9dV5 )

17:10:58 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

17:17:03 jurov: http://www.damninteresting.com/the-last-great-steam-car/ who killed the steam car!

17:17:36 jurov: "Astonishingly, an unmodified Doble Model E runs clean enough to pass the strict emissions laws in California today." heh

17:19:28 BingoBoingo: Interesing

17:20:52 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

17:20:53 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 277.9, Best ask: 279.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 279.0, 24 hour volume: 32117.18507149, 24 hour low: 272.0, 24 hour high: 281.0, 24 hour vwap: None

17:23:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00054485 = 31.9282 BTC [+]

17:28:05 ascii_field: jurov: iirc, the incurably fatal defect of that car was the five-minute start time

17:28:26 jurov: they made it down to 90 sec

17:28:37 jurov: according to tfa

17:31:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73247 @ 0.00054485 = 39.9086 BTC [+]

17:59:33 BingoBoingo: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/exclusive-interview-with-the-gay-porn-star-behind-that-terrible-gawker-article/

17:59:34 assbot: Interview With The Gay Porn Star Behind That Gawker Article | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1REjQ17 )

18:05:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.0005287 = 1.3218 BTC [-]

18:05:16 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178718 << me too! and the "famicon" mentioned earlier in this thread might sound familiar to fans of SMB2 -- the ~real~ SMB2 is known in the english world as "The Lost Levels" because it was deemed "too difficult" for them when it first came out, and "Super Famicon" was re-branded and re-skinned and shipped to USSA in its place

18:05:16 assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 04:00:51; *: decimation remembers fondly going to the video rental store to rent nintendo games

18:07:22 trinque: danielpbarron: yeah, our mario 2 was that weird platformer they rebranded at the last minute

18:08:11 trinque: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yume_K%C5%8Dj%C5%8D:_Doki_Doki_Panic#Yume_K.C5.8Dj.C5.8D:_Doki_Doki_Panic

18:08:12 assbot: Super Mario Bros. 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1REl6kP )

18:08:20 danielpbarron: yep, with the mega-lame least-creative-way-to-end-a-story-possible... IT WAS ALL A DREAM L0L

18:08:37 trinque: that game sucked

18:09:01 danielpbarron: pretty much, although it will always be nostalgic to me

18:09:24 danielpbarron: but yeah, i generally glare at people who exclaim "OMG smb2 is my fav!1"

18:09:56 trinque: I play it for the same reason time to time

18:10:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88600 @ 0.00054374 = 48.1754 BTC [+] {3}

18:18:08 mod6: shinohai: cool! got a link for us yet? wanna check it out :]

18:23:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00054485 = 5.1216 BTC [+]

18:23:40 trinque: yeah, neat. I just fired up my own pogo today

18:24:03 trinque: got a nice little intel ssd for it too

18:24:48 mod6: sweet!

18:38:36 shinohai: nice trinque I don't have ssd yet T_T

18:39:04 trinque: had an old 80gb in a macbook I finally retired to the dumpster

18:39:42 *: trinque sheds a single tear for "elderbook"

18:40:37 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:40:46 *: ascii_field meanwhile is writing proggy for msdos !

18:41:28 ascii_field: (asm, naturally)

18:42:35 trinque: interesting, what brings you to that archaeological dig?

18:42:41 ascii_field: wurk

18:44:11 trinque: shinohai: newegg has 'em for about 50 bux

18:45:28 jurov: what? macbooks with 80g intel ssds can be bought for 50bux?

18:45:29 scoopbot_revived: Turns out you wanted Hitler after all. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/17/turns-out-you-wanted-hitler-after-all/

18:46:28 trinque: jurov: no, just the ssd

18:46:36 trinque: tho that macbook wasn't even worth 50 bucks

18:46:44 trinque: bad mobo issues

18:46:48 trinque: kernel panics and such

18:47:46 trinque: would've probably lived longer if not for the many dousings with beer/coffee/misc

18:48:39 *: ascii_field lulz at the folks who nod when he says 'computer should cost $100k and be a heirloom' who then tell about the coffee they spilled in their 7th laptop

18:49:27 trinque: 100k computer goes in the basement!

18:49:33 trinque: I'll beer all over my cheap terminal

18:49:55 ascii_field: ever look at what vt100 and its contemporaries cost ?

18:50:07 ascii_field: (i, for one, was surprised when learned the answer)

18:50:15 jurov: basement that never gets flooded!

18:50:36 trinque: jurov: errrr sealed missile silo!

18:50:50 trinque: ascii_field: haven't, maybe a misguided assumption

18:52:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64362 @ 0.00054036 = 34.7787 BTC [-]

18:52:05 trinque: found one for a grand, damn.

18:52:10 trinque: but this is because it's vintage

18:52:13 ascii_field: nono

18:52:15 ascii_field: ~at the time~

18:52:26 trinque: ah, at the time I'm sure they were very expensive

19:07:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187150 @ 0.0005398 = 101.0236 BTC [-] {4}

19:08:46 decimation: I have an old macbook1,1 I would like to use for stator

19:08:51 decimation: i put an ssd in it awhile ago

19:09:05 decimation: one day when I get some extra time I might work on the osx build stuff

19:13:12 mod6: !up assbot

19:13:14 mod6: gdit

19:13:17 mod6: !up ascii_field

19:13:27 mod6: so I dumped a few blocks 0, 1, 2, 199`999, etc.

19:14:05 mod6: and i never did find that magic number in there: 0xf9, 0xbe, 0xb4, 0xd9

19:14:49 ascii_field: mod6: 0xd9b4bef9

19:14:51 mod6: which i thought was kinda weird, so i looked at the code again. This is a part of CMessageHeader, used in ProcessMessage -- so I ran a tcpdump while syncing:

19:14:53 ascii_field: we're little-endian

19:15:08 mod6: http://dpaste.com/3A4FHKE.txt

19:15:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okzw4g )

19:15:23 ascii_field: mod6: precisely above

19:15:31 ascii_field: 0320: f9be b4d9

19:15:45 ascii_field: you're seeing it

19:15:46 mod6: i don't see the bytes in any order.

19:15:51 mod6: (in the block itself)

19:15:55 mod6: just in the message header

19:17:04 ascii_field: it gets in when it is written

19:17:04 ascii_field: to disk

19:17:08 ascii_field: see the src

19:17:23 mod6: then is dump block not including it?

19:19:34 ascii_field: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block << ahahah apparently

19:19:35 assbot: Genesis block - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1fR1U2E )

19:20:27 ascii_field: they start with version (32bits), aha

19:20:30 ascii_field: somehow forgot this

19:25:32 mod6: so dumping the first four blocks with `dumpblock' into each their own .bin files, then using xxd and shovling them all into one file, here's the result: http://dpaste.com/1B1H1PC.txt

19:25:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkBG3R )

19:25:53 ascii_field: mod6: matches what i have

19:26:27 mod6: ok, ftr, this is from nsl's node with -verifyall on.

19:26:48 mod6: just thought it was worth mentioning that i found it in the MessageHeader with tcpdump.

19:31:51 mod6: ah, ok so looking at http://dpaste.com/2J1JRCR.txt again, we can def. note that it's a v3 block and that's not just some garbage in there.

19:31:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkCpSE )

19:32:16 mod6: [block 364`672]

19:35:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00054535 = 18.2147 BTC [+]

19:45:25 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:00:27 scoopbot_revived: US Can't Retain Drone Pilots http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-cant-retain-drone-pilots/

20:01:49 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/6eeea29eba868ab8f9f97c04c3c866ae/tumblr_n65ezs0wmV1tatb44o1_1280.jpg

20:01:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fR7Ybn )

20:03:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56522 @ 0.00054553 = 30.8344 BTC [+] {2}

20:03:15 trinque: pilots get tired of fish in a barrel, eh?

20:03:17 trinque: how bout that

20:03:37 BingoBoingo: trinque: Probably tired of not actually being pilots

20:03:41 mircea_popescu: kinda weird seeing how drone flying is a common hobby on uni campuses

20:04:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16228 @ 0.000546 = 8.8605 BTC [+]

20:04:15 trinque: could be entirely unrelated to being a drone operator too

20:04:33 mircea_popescu: yea

20:04:38 BingoBoingo: Well, there probably a difference between flying drones as a lay hobbyist and flying drones when you spent your youth training to fly planes you fit inside

20:04:50 mircea_popescu: maybe nobody wants to be in the navy anymore because it's doing dumbass "sensitivity training"

20:04:53 mircea_popescu: as a for instance.

20:05:04 davout: who wants to fly drones when you can either fly fighter jets or fuck flight attendants

20:05:30 trinque: yeah, amounts to a cubicle job a lot like being a videogame tester

20:05:34 trinque: or I'd assume

20:05:36 mircea_popescu: all this effort put into becoming "more women friendly" in a retarded, contorted way that women don't give a shit about and pisses off men is mayhap paying off

20:06:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204558 << the on ewith the watching tv

20:06:02 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 14:40:16; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204482 << the one with the pipes ?

20:06:10 mircea_popescu: except you're watching the node spew scroll

20:07:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72350 @ 0.00053757 = 38.8932 BTC [-] {3}

20:07:45 trinque: this "surgical" death from the sky thing strikes me as a bit like playing with one's food

20:07:48 trinque: at least larger wars might end

20:07:53 trinque: s/might/will/

20:10:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204626 << so much win.

20:10:39 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 17:06:24; BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/17/7bfd5030ace80a22f705338783cbb3b3.jpg


20:12:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204624 << there's that archive.today thing which seems to work ok. if anyone actually cares enough about a website (which seems a stretch in my mind, but w/e) they can still do what i did to the usms scammer bunch, curl, base64 and sign.

20:12:13 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 16:51:29; punkman: URL deeding would be handy

20:12:29 mircea_popescu: otherwise "signing an url" is kinda like "windows security" in that pages include foreign elements.

20:12:30 chetty: ahaha so thats it, its realities fault

20:12:54 ascii_field: i must note that archive.today is not (apparently) recursive

20:13:10 trinque: well god's dead and that's no fair, so the state will have to chip in instead

20:13:20 BingoBoingo: archive.today is indeed not recursive

20:13:40 trinque: the archive I'm building is primarily for my own reading

20:14:02 mircea_popescu: recursive archival is a very much open question.

20:14:07 mircea_popescu: how many copies of the internet do you want ?

20:14:29 ascii_field: depth=1 would make elementary sense

20:14:31 trinque: personally I'll settle for whatever I can find of the best content, and the rest can be damned

20:14:33 ascii_field: for most sites

20:14:53 ascii_field: that is, the default behaviour of 'wget -m'

20:15:18 mircea_popescu: yeah but no guarantee you get your site this way

20:15:33 mircea_popescu: if you really feel like burning time on this, feel free to look at random sites see what depthy=1 gets you

20:15:41 ascii_field: i did.

20:15:58 ascii_field: (on the mr mold example from last night. got everything that's worth anything there)

20:16:29 trinque: !up ascii_field

20:16:39 mircea_popescu: i guess wp is better than most on this score.

20:17:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.000546 = 15.6156 BTC [+]

20:19:05 danielpbarron: !up amiller

20:20:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77200 @ 0.00052246 = 40.3339 BTC [-] {3}

20:21:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00052065 = 11.3502 BTC [-]

20:23:42 BingoBoingo: I'll be back

20:25:36 ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: sooo in other nyooz, last night i got a x86_64 buildroot on musl going. shits out a bootable iso

20:26:17 mircea_popescu: o hey!

20:26:33 mircea_popescu: so in principle, we're this close to a pogo binary ?

20:26:37 mircea_popescu: iirc mod6 got stator static

20:26:43 ascii_field: it was static!

20:26:47 ascii_field: when i released it

20:26:49 ascii_field: hence the name

20:27:03 ascii_field: not to be confused with the turd from 3 month ago

20:27:04 ascii_field: which was not

20:27:12 ascii_field: (had dynamic libc)

20:30:12 mircea_popescu: a right

20:30:18 mircea_popescu: vhell then1

20:30:34 mod6: nice ascii_field!

20:30:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3474 @ 0.00054258 = 1.8849 BTC [+]

20:31:28 ascii_field: point is not only to test pogo build and get musl in, but also it is useful to have a rom-able pc realbitcoinotron

20:31:31 mod6: but yea, was able to build stator as fully static, thanks to ascii_field's cuts from the source.

20:32:04 ascii_field: drop in optical disk, it looks for blockchain on largest blockdev, if doesn't find - counts down with skull, minute later - formats drive, starts fetching blocks...

20:32:16 shinohai: i havent built a staic stator on pogo yet

20:32:18 trinque: nice

20:33:28 ascii_field: ^ above is the notion. all i have presently is a 10m iso that boots to shell

20:33:40 ascii_field: 100% musl though

20:33:48 ascii_field: and self-contained (relies on no libs from host)

20:33:59 ascii_field: !s spreading works

20:34:01 assbot: 9 results for 'spreading works' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spreading+works

20:34:09 mircea_popescu: ascii_field quite.

20:34:43 mircea_popescu: actually : could we add a replicator ?

20:34:48 ascii_field: ?

20:34:55 mircea_popescu: "pogo responds to magic packet on port X by sending over the iso"

20:35:07 ascii_field: can host on :80

20:35:10 ascii_field: like normal people

20:35:19 mircea_popescu: it has a web server ?!

20:35:26 ascii_field: could have just this

20:35:28 ascii_field: if we wanted

20:35:35 ascii_field: (no need for adult web server)

20:35:51 trinque: if so it's gonna need bitchin ascii art like the foundation site.

20:36:19 ascii_field: will need for the console regardless !

20:36:28 mircea_popescu: i think might be useful feature yea

20:36:41 mircea_popescu: simplify distribution of the iso in any case.

20:37:24 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, http://33.media.tumblr.com/e3f1c5471a280606676eb5caa12abfc6/tumblr_n3r2iuuOFS1twbbpbo1_400.gif

20:37:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkNLWx )

20:37:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2003 @ 0.00052065 = 1.0429 BTC [-]

20:39:30 trinque: is there anything that'd keep this hp turdserver from having the svm flag on the cpus other than... not having that?

20:39:38 trinque: bios didn't seem to have a virtualization setting

20:40:11 mircea_popescu: Jul 2015 538 954 457,386 663,979 488816.56 GB << jurov you know i blame you for this right ?

20:40:47 jurov: is that minigame.bz? well, you asked for it

20:41:21 mod6: <+trinque> if so it's gonna need bitchin ascii art like the foundation site. << Hear, hear.

20:41:43 mircea_popescu: on the plus side there's well over 1k complete versions of the thing i nthe wild now, so it's not a total loss.

20:42:05 mircea_popescu: but damned, half a yottabyte. i feel like google.

20:42:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50397 @ 0.00051966 = 26.1893 BTC [-]

20:43:33 mircea_popescu: top browsers : Wget Yes 392,475 85.8 %

20:43:36 mircea_popescu: also lulzy.

20:43:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00051914 = 33.0692 BTC [-]

20:47:29 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

20:48:49 mircea_popescu: halp i have endian problems in my head. peta not yotta!

20:49:45 jurov: i thought you're just trying to be poetic

20:51:11 mircea_popescu: that also.

20:51:39 danielpbarron: wow lame, gave only 1

20:51:45 danielpbarron: oops wrong window lol

20:52:34 trinque: either I have a good nose or the neighbors are *really* drinking this afternoon

20:52:38 trinque: can smell the booze

20:52:46 trinque: crypto-robo-babylon when?

20:53:56 ascii_field: pyronecrocryptozoophilia.

20:53:58 ascii_field: today.

20:54:41 trinque: so I go over there with a flamethrower and a bandana on my face, then fuck the ashes?

20:54:44 trinque: got it

20:56:35 trinque: it'd be a neat company to have, something which built heavily fortified homes

20:56:40 trinque: wonder if there's a market for that

20:57:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88187 @ 0.00054224 = 47.8185 BTC [+] {2}

20:57:20 trinque: if I someday neither hear, smell, nor see neighbors, that'll be a good close to chapter one

20:58:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104900 @ 0.00051838 = 54.3781 BTC [-] {4}

21:13:11 ben_vulpes: neat to hear about musl, asciilifeform

21:13:40 ben_vulpes: my stator's up to 347786

21:14:01 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: once you have a known-good blockchain, just copy it

21:14:37 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i know that it takes longer, but i like to actually exercise the sync mechanism once every five builds or so

21:15:51 ben_vulpes: anyways i was poking at hunchentoot in service of making an httoy out of some of the patches that you've posted recently and discovered that the sbcl i had on the plane didn't support threads

21:16:08 trinque: aw

21:17:02 trinque: man I would've bought the scam wifi for a flight that long

21:17:11 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: tried 'verifyall' yet ?

21:17:15 ascii_field: that's kinda what it was for

21:17:29 mod6: im running it on two seperate envs now actually.

21:17:52 mod6: ones at 294k and the other... 158k

21:18:31 mod6: !up ascii_field

21:18:47 ben_vulpes: trinque: wifi over ocean: yes. cell for scammers to resell - no

21:19:20 ben_vulpes: the wifi is actually free

21:19:30 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: no, i have not tried verifyall yet

21:20:06 ben_vulpes: just reading your patches and thinking about how to exercise them is a quarter-time job

21:20:22 ascii_field: waiwut

21:20:35 ascii_field: really not much in the patches thus far

21:20:41 ascii_field: mostly antimatter

21:20:54 ascii_field: wait till the ~real~ patches, l0l

21:21:07 ben_vulpes: keep in mind that this is how i'm learning cpp

21:23:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00051968 = 21.2809 BTC [+]

21:23:32 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: the only way to re-verify a chain-on-disk right now is to dump and re-eat all blocks, correct?

21:24:07 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: that, or twiddle the relevant constant

21:24:15 ascii_field: (i forget precisely where. oughta be a patch!)

21:24:29 ben_vulpes: hrm? what constant is this

21:25:28 ben_vulpes: the only thing i'm aware of in the 'mainstream' codebasen is the "rescan" thinger, but that only looks for transactions relevant to the wallet

21:26:37 ascii_field: -checkblocks

21:26:46 ascii_field: looks like we have it, already

21:30:07 ben_vulpes: lol and completely absent from the usage message

21:30:13 ascii_field: aha.

21:30:29 ascii_field: (it was like this in 0.5.3 iirc)

21:30:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83050 @ 0.00051664 = 42.907 BTC [-] {2}

21:31:35 ben_vulpes: jesus christ

21:32:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67733 @ 0.00053583 = 36.2934 BTC [+] {2}

21:35:27 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203701 << all i know is that programming sucks and some ways of doing it suck a little less than others.

21:35:27 assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:07:59; mats: if you hate something, thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt the opinions of their perceived betters

21:42:28 trinque: and if the opinion is justified and the hate remains?

21:42:48 trinque: anyhow, the thread thereafter addressed it.

21:44:27 ascii_field: 'In addition to the ACPI feature, remote wake-up (including AMD Magic Packet and Microsoft Wake-up frame) is supported in both ACPI and APM (Advanced Power Management) environments. To support WOL from a deep power down state (e.g., D3cold, i.e., main power is off and only auxiliary exists), the auxiliary power source must be able to provide the needed power... ...The RTL8111E supports Protocol offload. It offloads some

21:44:28 ascii_field: of the most common protocols to NIC hardware in order to prevent spurious wake up and further reduce power consumption. The RTL8111E can offload ARP (IPv4) and NS (IPv6) protocols while in the D3 power saving state. '

21:44:30 ascii_field: ^ lulzy

21:44:47 ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^

21:47:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114750 @ 0.00051561 = 59.1662 BTC [-] {3}

21:52:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00051464 = 28.0993 BTC [-] {2}

21:57:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6803 @ 0.00053882 = 3.6656 BTC [+] {2}

21:57:55 ag3nt_zer0: hi there

21:58:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36486 @ 0.00054786 = 19.9892 BTC [+] {5}

21:58:04 trinque: good afternoon, how goes?

21:58:16 shinohai: sup ag3nt_zer0

21:58:29 mircea_popescu: hey ben_vulpes trinque do i have this right, you mostly make apple store games ?

21:58:32 ag3nt_zer0: hey trinque fine just trying to install eulora here... you?

21:58:47 ag3nt_zer0: hey shinohai

21:58:47 trinque: mircea_popescu: nah, I do web turds

21:59:05 mircea_popescu: ah i thought you wored together on same firm thing

21:59:45 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not games, no

21:59:51 mircea_popescu: but what ?

21:59:59 ben_vulpes: except insofar as vc-backed shartups are games

22:00:15 ben_vulpes: ios and android and webturd "engineering" horsepower as a service

22:00:35 ben_vulpes: if someone were so foolish as to want to pay us to build a game we could

22:01:11 ben_vulpes: everything from promotional apps to apps for insurance companies to internal business process web applications

22:01:13 ag3nt_zer0: do I need to be in particular directory for this to work? "You'll need to install several support libraries via MacPorts. Run sudo port install (package-name) for all of the packages in the first two lists here." - I enter this and it says Error port opengl not found

22:01:18 mircea_popescu: what'd cost me for you to make the eulora client into an ipad app ?

22:01:33 mircea_popescu: but only if you actually can do the whole chain, i don't wish to touch apple. so if yo ucan get it into their store thing etc.

22:01:50 ben_vulpes: yeah generally the first thing we ask for is root on your apple account

22:01:58 ben_vulpes: then your servers

22:02:01 mircea_popescu: i do not have an apple account nor would be getting one.

22:02:08 mircea_popescu: hahaha mno.

22:02:22 mircea_popescu: you get the c++ turdball that's the client.

22:02:26 ben_vulpes: then your children

22:02:35 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:02:38 mircea_popescu: i only give my children to women.

22:02:51 *: ascii_field will be rather surprised if the thing passes the censors

22:02:51 ben_vulpes: i do have some understanding of how you work

22:02:52 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 yes you do, but that doesn't sound like a wrong directory problem

22:03:01 ag3nt_zer0: entered this sudo port install OpenGL

22:03:22 ben_vulpes: first thing to be aware of is that if it has anything to do with bitcoin and transacting stuff it's going to be a bitch to get past the 'reviewers'

22:03:28 ben_vulpes: censors as alf sez

22:03:36 ben_vulpes: but uh a pile of money probably

22:03:39 mircea_popescu: i don't see how it does.

22:03:39 ben_vulpes: over 9000

22:04:40 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: I am in home directory, where should I be?

22:06:17 mircea_popescu: i personally never got a mac. best everyone knows is in the wiki, you reading that ?

22:06:25 ag3nt_zer0: yeah

22:06:32 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: macports doesn't care what directory you're in

22:06:37 ag3nt_zer0: hmmm ok

22:07:35 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: try doing a sudo port selfupdate first?

22:07:58 ascii_field: speaking of all of this, i realized not long ago that one could easily do a 'pogo' for some shitablet or other

22:08:08 ascii_field: (replacing turdroid etc. in the rom)

22:08:23 trinque: yeah, with external storage?

22:08:55 trinque: pretty sure all tablet makers still charge out the ass for more than a pittance of storage

22:10:21 mircea_popescu: iirc tablets come with 8-16-etc gb

22:10:36 ascii_field: usb jack

22:11:00 mircea_popescu: that's not so common

22:11:10 ascii_field: sop on turdroid

22:11:24 ascii_field: (often needs a cheap mechanical adapter from 'micro' to female 'a')

22:14:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60250 @ 0.00051453 = 31.0004 BTC [-] {3}

22:21:17 ag3nt_zer0: well sent a pm to phf hopefully he can help...

22:22:10 ben_vulpes: !s block777

22:22:11 assbot: 0 results for 'block777' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=block777

22:22:17 ben_vulpes: !s http://block777.com/

22:22:18 assbot: Block 777 - Bitcoin Blockchain Betting Game ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol4sRX )

22:22:19 assbot: 0 results for 'http://block777.com/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fblock777.com%2F

22:22:32 ben_vulpes: 'tis lulzy

22:23:41 ben_vulpes: makes the eyes bleed, but lulzy nevertheless

22:37:37 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: they make micro-usb to usb adapters that plug into the charger port

22:38:33 ben_vulpes: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/n12_RTR3CGTO/main_1200.jpg

22:38:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol6npw )

22:39:48 williamdunne: Is that a Romanian flag on that tuktuk

22:40:01 williamdunne: Yep

22:41:14 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: For example this can be used to simultaneously charge a phone and give it access to a USB port of its own; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-USB-Host-Cable-Male-to-USB-Female-OTG-Cable-USB-Male-Y-Cable-For-Note-4-/291373357246?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43d73498be

22:41:16 assbot: Micro USB Host Cable Male to USB Female OTG Cable + USB Male Y Cable For Note 4 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5ZJDt )

22:41:53 williamdunne: Oh wrong about charging part, that's to power whatever is plugged in via usb, lame

23:04:05 gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/07/wizard-school.html

23:04:06 assbot: Stevey's Blog Rants: Wizard School ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol9BJx )

23:05:19 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

23:05:24 ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: wat

23:06:07 gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: reference material for ben+pete's school for kids who might maybe not suck one day

23:06:08 jurov: it's named "on the go" connector

23:06:25 jurov: and yes, it's not for 24/7

23:06:26 ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: it's a lul by the fella who wrote 'lisp is not an acceptable lisp'

23:06:32 gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: I know.

23:06:46 gabriel_laddel: I've read everything Mr. Yegge has written

23:06:47 ascii_field: jurov: why not 24/7

23:07:09 jurov: cuz not charging.

23:07:44 ascii_field: i have hardware powered by 'usb otg' jacks going 24/7...

23:07:51 ascii_field: data lines still work

23:07:53 jurov: the droid acts as usb host and it is supposed to provide power

23:08:04 jurov: you'll have to recharge it some other way then

23:08:12 ascii_field: i bet this can be finessed

23:09:01 ascii_field: i ordered a 'miracast' last week, would have tested this already, but it was delayed in the post

23:09:04 jurov: i have proposed to use n900's in such manner, less shitty and more OSS than droids, was immediately shot down

23:09:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00053729 = 9.0533 BTC [+]

23:09:16 jurov: seems we are getting desperate :)

23:09:49 ascii_field: jurov: not so much desperate as the fact that i found a device available for $10-15 ~NEW~ from cn, with 256 (or even 512) MB of ram

23:10:00 ascii_field: and powered via usbotg

23:10:25 ascii_field: new+multivendor is a major plus imho

23:20:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51250 @ 0.00054542 = 27.9528 BTC [+] {3}

23:21:03 ag3nt_zer0: anyone have any thoughts on the Jolla?

23:21:28 ag3nt_zer0: and/or neo900?

23:22:17 ascii_field: €249.00

23:22:24 ascii_field: irrelevant.

23:22:39 ascii_field: at least - to therealbitcoin.

23:22:48 ascii_field: can buy a fucking computer for that.

23:23:14 ascii_field: or 12 pogos

23:23:23 ascii_field: 14

23:24:38 williamdunne: 00:06:08 - gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: reference material for ben+pete's school for kids who might maybe not suck one day <<< isn't that what #b-a is anyway? At least that's how I'm trying to use it.

23:25:45 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/sHdFpXq.gif

23:25:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbdhP5 )

23:25:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:33:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.0005507 = 17.3471 BTC [+]

23:35:26 jurov: !s WLX-652

23:35:27 assbot: 0 results for 'WLX-652' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=WLX-652

23:35:57 jurov: ^ just found this pogo sibling. but nowhere they say how much mem does it have

23:36:14 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

23:36:23 ascii_field: jurov: found a supplier for these ?

23:36:34 ascii_field: (as far as i can tell, they're extinct ...?)

23:37:19 jurov: http://www.dx.com/p/standalone-bittorrent-bt-client-upnp-usb-nas-ftp-samba-printer-sharing-network-lan-server-20383#.VamNyDJ9zmE

23:37:20 assbot: Standalone BitTorrent BT Client + UPNP USB/NAS/FTP/SAMBA/Printer Sharing Network LAN Server - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbeaqQ )

23:38:24 ascii_field: expensive

23:38:48 ascii_field: https://snake-os.googlecode.com/files/snake_os_User_man_12_01_13.pdf << claims 32MB of ram

23:38:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbehT8 )

23:39:01 ascii_field: which is what is in my 'hootoo', costing less than half

23:39:16 jurov: 32? then yes, expensive

23:39:18 ascii_field: (we are, sadly, nowhere near the point where we can live in 32)

23:44:17 jurov: back to pogo, all mSATA drives i see are 5-6cm long and impossible to fit inside

23:44:28 jurov: what's supposed to go there at all?

23:44:38 ascii_field: msata ?

23:44:43 ascii_field: pogo has no msata

23:44:55 danielpbarron: the top pops off

23:45:01 danielpbarron: i left that piece on

23:45:02 ascii_field: has normal 'laptop' sata

23:45:18 danielpbarron: drive will stick awkwardly out the top

23:45:18 jurov: ah. so msata won't fit?

23:45:21 ascii_field: http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/networkstorage/pogo/B005GM1Q1O/B006I5MKZY-interfaces-08l.jpg

23:45:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbf0nf )

23:45:46 ascii_field: http://media.bestofmicro.com/B/X/350349/original/msata_sata500px.png

23:45:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbf72e )

23:46:07 ascii_field: the naked pcb thing is what is normally called 'msata'

23:46:11 ascii_field: no such jack in pogo

23:46:21 ascii_field: only laptop-sata (bottom of photo)

23:47:03 jurov: but 2.5" drive won't fit

23:47:08 *: jurov is confused

23:47:16 ascii_field: jurov: it fits

23:47:31 ascii_field: did you remove the dust cover from the pogo ?

23:47:38 jurov: only with top cover completely off and pcb bare

23:47:49 ascii_field: don't strip the pcb, you need the plastic cradle

23:47:55 ascii_field: or the jack is likely to break off

23:48:14 ascii_field: if you have a peculiar drive that won't sit down in the cradle - post photo ?

23:49:21 jurov: so you say Kingston SSDNow V300 2.5" drive will fit in the slit? that's not possible

23:49:48 ascii_field: that is precisely the shape of the drive sitting in mine

23:50:12 jurov: can you post photo of whole setup?

23:50:41 ascii_field: i did, long ago; in the log

23:50:45 ascii_field: presently digging for it

23:51:18 jurov: that drive is 7cm wide and the slit in the cover is only 4.5cm

23:51:46 ascii_field: jurov: you must have something very odd going on. plz post pic

23:53:24 jurov: oh i get it now. the connector protrudes out of the cover

23:53:59 ascii_field: jurov: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/jsp724/imgs/b/f/bf8da3a9.jpg << not mine - but this is what it will look like.

23:54:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbg1fa )

23:54:40 danielpbarron: jurov, http://i.imgur.com/tm6nK30.jpg

23:54:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbg5M7 )

23:54:59 jurov: ok

23:56:02 jurov: danielpbarron: how much free space you have left?

23:56:12 ascii_field: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/jsp724/imgs/f/2/f22a61e7.jpg << can use with other shapes

23:56:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbgduU )

23:56:41 mircea_popescu: well this was the sight of all time

23:57:13 ascii_field: which

23:57:13 danielpbarron: jurov, /dev/root 109G 58G 45G 57% /

23:57:22 mircea_popescu: so the procuraderia de la nacion, which is basiucally the da's office, has this gated off entryway. in that entryway, stored two meters from the grating, eight five gallon plastic containers full of gasoline.

23:57:45 mircea_popescu: nevermind that i dunno where it's even legal to store gasoline in plastic.

23:57:58 ascii_field: ^ sop in usa

23:58:00 mircea_popescu: anyone can be a terrorist for the price of a quarter dollar cigar.

23:58:24 mircea_popescu: ascii_field in eu you can go to jail for doing that. gotta use metal.

23:58:55 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: which metal ?

23:58:58 ascii_field: steel - sparks...

23:59:25 mircea_popescu: there's an alloy

23:59:28 mircea_popescu: i think its mostly tin