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00:01:46 xanthyos: ;;rate thomas_d 2 really good at poker and gpg contract signing for a new guy.

00:01:48 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thomas_d has changed from 1 to 2.

00:02:40 gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2014#907114 Thank you.

00:02:40 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2014 21:05:38; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: heh <<< i like the guy's specifications skills tho.

00:02:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:03:53 jurov: coinbr is getting 30k pingbacks/minute

00:04:15 kakobrekla: those are easy to block

00:05:07 thestringpuller: coinbr isn't wordpress how is it getting pingback?

00:05:34 jurov: 75.103.66.8 - - [16/Nov/2014:22:08:27 +0000] "GET /login HTTP/1.1" 444 0 "-" "WordPress/3.9.2; http://andybarrforcongress.com; verifying pingback from 142.0.44.50" "75.103.66.8"

00:06:34 jurov: ^ like this

00:06:34 kakobrekla: yea

00:28:07 ben_vulpes: xanthyos: d'you plan to endeedify that that contract?

00:29:13 thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/1o7co53.jpg

00:30:59 ben_vulpes: suspiciously simple.

00:31:15 kakobrekla: your favorite news outlet is up

00:34:44 xanthyos: ben_vulpes: i just googled "endeedify" adn the only 2 results were from assets log. i plan no endeedification for a .001 poker tournament

00:35:26 kakobrekla: i also get http://www.wordreference.com/ende/edify

00:35:27 assbot: edify - Wörterbuch Englisch-Deutsch - WordReference.com

00:36:10 ben_vulpes: xanthyos: it's really easy, just

00:36:18 ben_vulpes: .deed <link to clearsigned contract>

00:36:18 punkbot: ben_vulpes: Error: '<link' is not a valid http url.

00:37:03 xanthyos: .deed http://users.silenceisdefeat.net/~xanthyos/pokercontract11162014.txt

00:37:03 punkbot: xanthyos: No valid deeds found, try again.

00:37:35 ben_vulpes: xanthyos: https://anduck.net/ducktest.txt << like that

00:37:55 kakobrekla: mingw32 alert!

00:38:35 xanthyos: last time i signed a contract the signature was around the whole contents

00:38:44 xanthyos: idk what happened this time

00:38:45 ben_vulpes: gpg --clearsign

00:39:06 ben_vulpes: vs --detach-sig

00:40:31 ben_vulpes: .deed http://users.silenceisdefeat.net/~xanthyos/retrocontract.txt

00:40:32 punkbot: ben_vulpes: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)

00:41:13 undata: "within 24 hours of acquiring funds for repayment" << so, like, whenever?

00:41:49 ben_vulpes: it'd seem that way, undata

00:42:02 ben_vulpes: https://blockchain.info/tx/325613a4b0882570b4265f879ea0eec1130986ba3cdb49c2dc2e2ab977175f55

00:42:04 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 325613a4b0882570b4265f879ea0eec1130986ba3cdb49c2dc2e2ab977175f55

00:42:07 undata: not bad terms for a loan between friends, otherwise...

00:43:12 *: undata rolls up his newspaper, thonks a keybase.io user

00:43:26 ben_vulpes: yeah where can i find more keybase users to whack

00:44:09 jurov: http://demotivators.despair.com/demotivational/changemafiademotivator.jpg

00:45:25 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: didn't you hear? keybase.io is the future of GPG

00:45:37 thestringpuller: even jgarzik thinks GPG should die!

00:47:17 xanthyos: blame danielpbarron for setting me up with a keybase.io gpg key when he recruited me

00:47:33 undata: danielpbarron: THONK!

00:47:38 asciilifeform: lol! someone actually uses 'keybase' ?!?!

00:47:49 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I was as surprised

00:47:50 xanthyos: i'd change it but i don't want to risk losing my identity

00:48:02 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it's because keyservers don't have CSS donchano

00:48:02 *: asciilifeform waits to see who is using 'clipper chip'

00:48:08 undata: xanthyos: that is what is currently at risk.

00:48:24 Apocalyptic: xanthyos, there's a ,,echangekey gribble command to change the associated key to your WoT account

00:48:34 thestringpuller: ;;echangekey

00:48:34 gribble: (echangekey <keyid>) -- Changes your GPG registered key to <keyid>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. You must be authenticated in order to use this (1 more message)

00:48:37 kakobrekla: someone actually uses 'keybase' ?!?! < no surprise there

00:48:53 *: BingoBoingo wouldn't mind having Clipper Ship

00:49:11 xanthyos: i don't use keybase but my key was generated there

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00:49:19 kakobrekla: !b 1

00:49:34 Apocalyptic: why on earth would you generate a key outside of your system ?

00:49:42 kakobrekla: to get in the bash ez

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00:49:47 kakobrekla: !b 2

00:50:11 asciilifeform: http://demotivators.despair.com/demotivational/mistakesdemotivator.jpg

00:50:39 thestringpuller: that's depressing

00:51:16 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/razzledazzle/

00:51:17 assbot: Razzle-dazzle

00:56:00 gernika: BingoBoingo I think Yasha Levine is male.

00:56:12 nubbins`: hi

00:56:15 BingoBoingo: Oh

00:56:25 xanthyos: it's all i was taught

00:56:28 xanthyos: again, blame dpb

00:56:35 asciilifeform: dimunitive of 'jacob'

00:56:45 xanthyos: i'm trying to generate a key now

00:56:52 xanthyos: on a slow machine

00:57:37 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/lpIrYSr <<< i'd raid that fucking thing for parts.

00:57:38 assbot: 'Grass' Model 79 D - Imgur

00:57:44 nubbins`: DEM RECTANGULAR KNOBS

00:57:51 asciilifeform: nubbins`: they were superbly made.

00:58:05 BingoBoingo: gernika: Updated it to use the first name.

00:58:17 nubbins`: it was sound amplification that introduced me to the joy of a well-made knob

00:58:27 ben_vulpes: are rectangular knobs cool?

00:58:34 ben_vulpes: to me they scream "i can't make stuff"

00:58:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: knobs << yet another reason to own a lathe.

00:58:39 nubbins`: ben_vulpes they're shaped like nintendo wii, what do you think

00:59:02 nubbins`: asciilifeform what, making body jewelry for the kids isn't lucrative enough?

00:59:46 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/ZWfLNJM << from same shop

00:59:46 assbot: lathe - Imgur

00:59:49 ben_vulpes: it seems like the rectangular knobs are used for discrete settings and the round ones for continuous settings?

01:00:14 ben_vulpes: now that's a lathe

01:00:22 nubbins`: what a beast

01:00:23 asciilifeform: there was an even bigger one there

01:00:40 *: asciilifeform didn't buy either. can't transport, can't supply 3phase

01:00:49 nubbins`: ben_vulpes i think the round ones look indexed as well

01:00:53 thestringpuller: what does the turd lathe look like?

01:01:00 ben_vulpes: they do don't they, nubbins`

01:01:10 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: turd lathe << ask jurov

01:01:12 nubbins`: coulda just put the dots there for a laff, i guess

01:01:24 *: ben_vulpes backs away slowly

01:01:42 ben_vulpes: clearly cohesion in operator interface was not a design goal for this machine.

01:01:45 xanthyos: shit just overwrote something important i can't undo

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01:02:02 ben_vulpes: !b 1

01:02:17 asciilifeform: the round knobs turned smoothly.

01:02:21 nubbins`: ah

01:02:22 ben_vulpes: !

01:02:24 nubbins`: are those DIN connectors for the inputs?

01:02:27 ben_vulpes: dots for laffs

01:02:35 xanthyos: made it like it was a huge issue to change my key now and i'm not up for it

01:02:47 asciilifeform: iirc din, yes

01:03:14 nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> dots for laffs <<< wouldn't be the first time

01:03:47 nubbins`: speaking of DIN, i've got this tiny korg synthesizer, with all-analog voice circuitry

01:03:55 nubbins`: it's got a tiny chip inside to control a sequencer

01:04:10 nubbins`: has MIDI functionality built in, the only thing they didn't do was wire up a DIN port.

01:04:13 ben_vulpes: xanthyos: you should back your .gnupg dir up before doing *anything* to it.

01:04:29 ben_vulpes: maybe not adding others' keys to your keyring but...pretty much anything else until you're comfortable with the process.

01:05:21 nubbins`: incidentally, korg released the schematics for the synth as well as a couple others

01:05:35 xanthyos: i haven't lost data

01:05:40 xanthyos: just the convenient way i had it organized

01:06:09 jurov: ;;google turd lathe

01:06:10 gribble: Bird Turd Jesus: Ohio Man Jim Lawry Says Dropping On His ...: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/25/bird-turd-jesus_n_2759963.html; Alex Wetmore is always busy with something… » Cargo Turd: http://alexwetmore.org/?cat=339; Help me design my CNC lathe - CNC Zone: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/240884-help-design-cnc-lathe.html

01:06:26 xanthyos: everything is backed up that needs to be backed up, except for the specific way i like things presented to me in directories

01:07:02 nubbins`: http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39099&start=all&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sid=8fa7e6356837697bb30abd24276b3b7a

01:07:16 nubbins`: ^ for music/hardware mod buffs

01:07:17 ben_vulpes: muff wiggler eh

01:08:27 nubbins`: like 1/4 of the way through the thread people are posting pics of their diy "mod chips" ;D

01:09:06 nubbins`: but seriously, korg helpfully labelled all the interesting mod points on ths board

01:09:07 nubbins`: http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/userpix/1263_pcb_explaination_1.jpg

01:09:09 nubbins`: watta company

01:23:18 nubbins`: thestringpuller looks like your pkg is in ny

01:32:32 thestringpuller: LOL

01:32:38 thestringpuller: took that long to cross the border?

01:37:11 nubbins`: right?

01:37:32 nubbins`: anyway canada post says tomorrow, but i don't think a package is gonna get from a sort facility in nyc to your door in a day

01:37:42 nubbins`: o hi

01:37:52 nubbins`: duod yuor website is borken

01:38:37 mircea_popescu: it's not broken for me!11

01:38:42 nubbins`: heh.

01:38:53 nubbins`: "my roof isn't on fire here in the basement!

01:39:07 mircea_popescu: i guess we get to know what solipsism really is. turns out mp really doesn't give a shit as long as he himself can see his website.

01:39:18 nubbins`: the solipsistic soliloquist

01:39:27 mircea_popescu: if you wanna pm me an ip i can whitelist it.

01:39:31 nubbins`: a polimedia venture

01:40:14 nubbins`: guess i'll see what sort of lease i get on these things

01:42:21 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i guess the tarpitting may be too aggrssive at the edges or w/e. anyway. anyone else want whitelisted lemme know.

01:43:18 mircea_popescu: decimation: "NSA as an institution, however has become a TQM believer, born again in the gospel of Deming" <<< im not even sure anyone groks the botomless pit of lulz this otherwise truthful statement contains.

01:43:25 mircea_popescu: where is your lizzard hitler nao, asciilifeform ?

01:45:15 BingoBoingo: Probably sunning himself on some rocks, like lizard hitler does

01:45:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'build $widget-prime and try to pass off to chumpers as genuine $widget' <<< what else is the 80/20 software engineering approach than "build 80% of a functional program out of 20% of the budget and then try to pretend like we're selling it for "half price" ?

01:45:42 mircea_popescu: meanwhile after 20 iterations of this, one every year and a half,

01:45:46 mircea_popescu: ;;calc .8 ** 20

01:45:46 gribble: 0.0115292150461

01:45:52 mircea_popescu: o look! one percent!

01:46:49 mircea_popescu: and you know what the best part of it is ? meanwhile inflation...

01:46:54 mircea_popescu: ;;calc .2 ** 20

01:46:54 gribble: 0

01:47:05 mircea_popescu: ahem. i mean.

01:47:07 mircea_popescu: ;;calc .5 ** 20

01:47:07 gribble: 9.53674316406e-07

01:47:27 mircea_popescu: o look! we can print 10 million dollars to the dollar and inflation is pretty much even! because reasons!

01:47:32 mircea_popescu: meanwhile corporate profits...

01:47:42 mircea_popescu: ;;calc .5 ** 20 / .2 ** 20

01:47:42 gribble: 90949470.1773

01:47:54 mircea_popescu: whoa look at the corporate profits!11 wall street is best street!

01:49:35 mircea_popescu: and so today you can buy an icecream cone like you could in the 80s, except : that it is "the same icecream" that's 1% icecream, that you buy it for "the same dollars" that have been inflated 10mn to one and that all this allowed imaginary profits nobody can spent to be safely stored where such things are usually stored : fort knox, the social security, people's pensions...

01:50:48 nubbins`: pensions are so 20th century

01:50:58 mircea_popescu: defo.

01:51:12 nubbins`: i expect to see them vanish as a concern in my lifetime

01:51:28 mircea_popescu: well they're only hanging by the thread of pretense as it is.

01:51:37 nubbins`: not even that, in many cases

01:51:41 mircea_popescu: like those slumlord fire hidrants, they're red and they're safelt there

01:51:44 mircea_popescu: for as long as no fires.

01:51:49 nubbins`: there have been several "take half your pension or take none of it

01:51:58 nubbins`: " type situations in these parts, the past couple years

01:52:03 mircea_popescu: orly ?

01:52:05 mircea_popescu: links ?

01:52:17 nubbins`: maybe still winding thru arbitration. i'll dig

01:55:34 nubbins`: ok this was actually a couple years ago

01:55:35 nubbins`: http://bondpapers.wordpress.com/category/cbppl/

01:56:35 nubbins`: govt coffers in a bad way as well: http://themuse.ca/2014/04/02/debt-and-unfunded-pension-liabilities-threaten-provinces-finances/

01:57:35 nubbins`: and federally: http://www.cfib-fcei.ca/english/article/4034-canada-s-hidden-unfunded-public-sector-pension-liabilities.html

01:58:35 mircea_popescu: o.O

01:58:35 mircea_popescu: interesting.

01:58:35 mircea_popescu: i didn't know it actually got THIS bad.

01:58:35 nubbins`: same outlook as social insurance (social security for yanqis), but from a different angle

01:58:35 nubbins`: "well if my old-age pension won't be there, at least i'll have my... uh.."

01:58:35 mircea_popescu: reddit account.

01:58:35 mircea_popescu: full of reddit gld.

01:59:12 nubbins`: heh

01:59:44 nubbins`: at least we've got our natural resourc...OH FUCK

02:02:16 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: where is your announcement that happened in nov - dec 2012 saying you were selling more shares of MPOE on MPEx?

02:02:31 thestringpuller: it was slightly before the "MPOE is likely monetizing itself" article

02:02:47 nubbins`: "Provincial budgeting has been off by an average of $800 million a year over the past seven years, largely due to inaccurate oil projections."

02:02:49 mircea_popescu: just read the mpex category neh ?

02:03:21 thestringpuller: i will when butthurt ddoser decides to stop ruining the nice things for us

02:03:22 nubbins`: he's outta credits

02:03:41 nubbins`: incidentally, my trilema cookie was the one thing i didn't save when i wiped this machine

02:04:35 thestringpuller: i backed my trilema cookie up via gpg on a bunch of sites like dropbox

02:04:50 thestringpuller: since I lost it twice in 2012

02:08:51 asciilifeform: pension << 'the last bullet health'n'life-insurance-and-pension co.'

02:09:25 asciilifeform: lizard hitler << at 'meta-nsa' naturally, where else

02:10:47 asciilifeform: (for folks who want a more 'upbeat' figure as an example for a leaf of living matter inside bureaucratic garbage compactor - try korolev.)

02:11:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, how does korolev fit in your analysis of 'how much would satan have to pay to be loved' ?

02:12:30 asciilifeform: or lev theremin, for that matter

02:12:31 mircea_popescu: i thought it was "evil governmen t" not stan ?

02:12:38 asciilifeform: satan

02:12:55 asciilifeform: fact is, we have numerous historic examples of folks who did first-class creative work while prisoners.

02:13:00 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller try nao ?

02:14:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah. it doesn't fit.

02:14:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so it would follow that usg has a model recipe to follow.

02:15:06 asciilifeform: all it has to do is 'supply the chicken'

02:15:22 mircea_popescu: yes. the man who wants to make woman cheese has a recipe to follow : https://shanachan.org/fetish/res/11776.html

02:16:22 mircea_popescu: whether this is workable or not is in the end their problem.

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02:16:23 asciilifeform: !b 2

02:16:23 xanthyos: woah wtf

02:16:37 thestringpuller: oh boy stuff is loading!

02:18:10 mircea_popescu: in the end the whole discussion neatly reduces to whether men are more like cows or more like mice.

02:19:45 mircea_popescu: xanthyos if you ever want to get a militant feminist rabid, tell her to stop bitching about dairy farm conditions, it's just patriarchy's dry run for her and her kind.

02:19:50 mircea_popescu: that usually keeps them for a good half hour.

02:21:41 hanbot: mircea_popescu: hanbot mail the man would you. << so emailed.

02:25:37 decimation: excellent!

02:26:40 decimation: https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/cryptologic_quarterly/the_parable_of_the_tail_with_no_teeth.pdf << another amusing gem

02:29:29 decimation: asciilifeform: "supply chicken" << I get the general impression that the 'chicken' volunteers

02:29:41 decimation: I'm not really sure usg even knows how to 'supply'

02:30:25 decimation: as a gradually larger portion of the 'sane class' in the us begins to perceive usg as more of an enemy than a friend, I suspect the quality of 'chicken' will degrade further.

02:31:23 xanthyos: mircea_popescu: it's a shame you're not on twitter anymore with that content

02:31:56 mircea_popescu: decimation it is usually how it works in practice.

02:32:04 mircea_popescu: mind that the fact that it so works in practice is no actual proof.

02:32:16 mircea_popescu: for all we know, it is *possible* it dun happen this time. wink wink.

02:33:44 decimation: http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s3565869.shtml

02:34:17 assbot: Video shows two men's confrontation with NSA recruiter at UNM | KOB.com

02:34:17 decimation: I suspect that pre-snowden, this kind of thing rarely happened

02:37:32 asciilifeform: decimation: lol!!

02:38:09 asciilifeform: where is my nsa beating!?

02:38:41 decimation: another lol http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/17/how-the-nsa-recruits-in-a-post-snowden-world.html << "“We need to recruit from Snowden’s generation,” admitted former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden last July. “The challenge is how to recruit this talent while also protecting ourselves from the small fraction of the population that has this romantic attachment to absolute transparency at all costs.”"

02:38:42 assbot: How the NSA Recruits in a Post-Snowden World - The Daily Beast

02:39:10 *: asciilifeform watched, disappointed, no beating

02:39:14 undata: tut tut, hapless romantics

02:39:20 decimation: yeah the actual video is pretty lame

02:39:41 decimation: annoy the shit out of some gov't clerk, he lashes out, news at 11

02:39:48 asciilifeform: 'why did you choose to come and heckle a government agency, which is honestly trying to recruit?!'

02:40:22 decimation: asciilifeform: can you imagine a similar conversation at a soviet university at the kgb recruiting desk?

02:40:34 asciilifeform: decimation: can you picture a kgb recruiting desk?

02:40:43 asciilifeform: decimation: this is not how things worked.

02:40:52 decimation: exactly. Thus, the quality of chicken

02:41:12 mircea_popescu: "from the small fraction of the population that has this romantic attachment to absolute transparency at all costs." < < the sweetest sugar of etatism,

02:41:25 decimation: mircea_popescu: he doesn't even realize either

02:41:27 mircea_popescu: "that people who hate us, in principle, exactly for what we are, are a REALLY small fraction"

02:41:40 mircea_popescu: well, fatlogic.

02:42:05 asciilifeform: magic combo of hate + ability + balls, note. small fraction.

02:42:12 undata: "

02:42:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not what the man said.

02:42:22 undata: grrr... bad paste

02:42:25 decimation: although to be fair, I'm sure in his world as long as he has some poll that implies that 50% of usian support whatever he is planning to do, he would consider it 'legitimate'

02:43:00 undata: "Potter says he is still deciding if he will press charges for assault." << this is weak

02:43:04 asciilifeform: usg is an 'oderint, dum metuant' kinda thing.

02:43:06 mircea_popescu: decimation indeed, up until that point where i make a poll where 200mn vote for him to surgically attach a cow vagina on his forehead

02:43:14 mircea_popescu: sudenly the entire polling thing won't be as legitimate.

02:44:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's nonsense. nobody fears it.

02:44:33 mircea_popescu: and nobody hates it, either. the usg is widely despised, and in some quarters reviled.

02:45:03 decimation: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/united-states-of-secrets/transcript-61/ << hayden 'in the moment' << "And Michael Hayden goes home after briefing the president and the vice president about his ideas for expanding surveillance and takes a walk with his wife. ... "And when it gets public, it’s going to be very controversial. And the people doing it are going to be swept into this thing.” And

02:45:04 assbot: Transcript | United States of Secrets | FRONTLINE | PBS

02:45:04 decimation: she said, “Uh-huh. Is it the right thing to do?” “Yeah, I think so.” She said, “OK, we’ll deal with that when it comes.”"

02:45:56 mircea_popescu: what'd you want the woman to say.

02:46:38 decimation: I guess my point is, if you are looking for 'lizard hitler', here he is - a couple of high level derps decide they can 'get away with X' and convince themselves that 'it's the right thing'

02:47:25 mircea_popescu: this is not what would fill that costume.

02:47:46 mircea_popescu: in that it's neither a lizard nor hitler.

02:49:25 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922788

02:49:25 assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:54:02; assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 22:24:42; asciilifeform: (for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.)

02:50:09 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so anyone know this Khalahan Henkh fellow ? << anyone respond to this?

02:50:18 mircea_popescu: nope.

02:50:33 thestringpuller: i think i can get an inquiry with him

02:50:41 mircea_popescu: that's ok.

02:51:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, but they still have to be... you know, NOT wet pasta.

02:51:03 asciilifeform: tenure revokes itself, car bombs plant themselves, nailguns - fire themselves, of course. and single-engine airplanes go down regularly for no particular reason.

02:51:07 thestringpuller: ah. what did you want with the namecoin guy?

02:51:35 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i wanted to see if anyone knows him. "can get an inquiry with" is the opposite of that.

02:52:03 thestringpuller: he's in wot you kno?

02:52:11 decimation: asciilifeform: if 'lizard hitler' is a physical entity, he's probably not working for usg

02:52:14 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust khal

02:52:14 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user khal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=khal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=khal | Rated since: Tue May 10 13:27:55 2011

02:52:15 decimation: at least not as an employee

02:52:21 asciilifeform: employer.

02:53:22 mircea_popescu: decimation it'd be the big bad, by definition. it only exists conceptually to accomodate asciilifeform's rampant pareidolia :D

02:53:42 asciilifeform: at any rate, physical 'hitlers' are not a necessary hypothesis. ussr was perfectly capable of plugging a poor sod on a london bridge with poison umbrella, without competent leadership

02:54:04 asciilifeform: empire can commit any kind of elaborate crimes without leader. only thing it can't do without leader is - survive in long term

02:54:07 asciilifeform: but that's a separate puzzle

02:54:38 decimation: asciilifeform: the best explanation for that kind of thing would be some low-level derp with a hard-on for a particular agenda, who initiates - and the rest of the bureaucracy 'leads from behind'

02:54:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could say teh plugging with ricin episode was the result of competent kgb leadership neh ?

02:54:53 decimation: or the polonium?

02:54:54 mircea_popescu: o hey, beat at it again...

02:55:25 asciilifeform: competent leadership in one particular lab - yes

02:55:28 mircea_popescu: xanthyos what's tinychat ?

02:56:21 mircea_popescu: jurov: coinbr is getting 30k pingbacks/minute << did it do anything ?

02:58:06 mircea_popescu: xanthyos: i don't use keybase but my key was generated there <<< "your".

03:00:32 decimation: at any rate nailguns, cars, polonium, ricin, these smack of a weak sovereign, not a strong one. who asked anyone in the 'chinese government' before they did something in Shanghai circa 1920?

03:01:22 mircea_popescu: ;;google "can nobody rid me of this insolent priest"

03:01:23 gribble: Will No One Rid Me Of This Modified Noun-Phrase? | Josh Millard ...: http://www.joshmillard.com/2010/05/12/will-no-one-rid-me-of-this-modified-noun-phrase/; Pageant Post Cards: http://www.auelib.aichi-edu.ac.jp/lib/postcards/pagent.html; Our Anglican Roots: St. Thomas Becket - Free Republic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1456082/posts

03:01:45 decimation: 'becket' was actually a decent movie

03:01:50 asciilifeform: public wetwork, chattering newspapers - weak king; private discreet beheading now and again - strong.

03:01:54 mircea_popescu: it's a much better play.

03:02:52 decimation: mircea_popescu: which play, the private beheading?

03:03:04 mircea_popescu: it's a joke i was hoping to get in the bash.

03:03:07 mircea_popescu: cause samuel, see.

03:03:28 asciilifeform: this is much like judging restaurant quality by inverse of count of mousetraps.

03:03:35 asciilifeform: at best, a one-way measure

03:04:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more like, judging dentist by inverse count of loud screams on the premises ; plastic surgeon by inverse count of lawsuits.

03:04:17 mircea_popescu: knew a chick that did both, she had superb tits and splendid teeth.

03:04:58 asciilifeform: or let's try a degenerate case - hassan i sabbah

03:05:17 asciilifeform: governed entirely by dagger-in-the-night

03:05:23 asciilifeform: worked well enough.

03:06:42 asciilifeform: every little boy wants to be an intelligence chief; but every intelligence chief - wants to be hassan.

03:07:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you may be conflating things. guy a) lived on a mountain ; b) among an ethnically opressed majority that he supported ; c) against a technologically advanced foreign power.

03:07:48 mircea_popescu: the rest's just icing, much like saying "robin hood governed Sherwood County by arrow."

03:07:50 mircea_popescu: first off, sherwood was a ... wood.

03:07:57 asciilifeform: ^ yes

03:08:17 xanthyos: mircea_popescu: tinychat is a badly coded insecure site where degenerates go on webcam to be codependent alcoholics and prey on underage girls

03:09:05 mircea_popescu: so basically social media

03:09:07 xanthyos: if you didn't want to play chess against birdman with that gui i doubt you'd want to load tinychat

03:09:10 xanthyos: yes

03:11:57 asciilifeform: that film of the recruiter monkey parroting nsa verbiage was memorably pathetic

03:12:37 asciilifeform: what must it be like to be, literally, employed as human tape deck ?

03:13:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ask diana what's her name, the sec senior counsel chick.

03:14:02 mircea_popescu: heck, ask obama.

03:14:06 decimation: asciilifeform: all powers to say things are reserved to the top tier of usg

03:14:18 decimation: obama has to ask valarie jarret

03:14:24 mircea_popescu: lol

03:15:11 mircea_popescu: decimation admire this funny : early frankish kings were physically weak in a world that had but contempt for weaklings. they saw a way out in hiring bodyguards, which was convenient. for charlemagne.

03:15:49 mircea_popescu: early us kings were intellectually weak, in world that had but contempt for weaklings. they saw a way out in hiring "pr", people to protect them from the deep waters of speech and thought.

03:15:54 mircea_popescu: which was convenient. for...

03:16:00 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/31ZFBVT.txt )

03:16:00 asciilifeform: !b 3

03:16:27 decimation: hehe yeah

03:16:36 decimation: we await our caesar

03:17:37 decimation: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/11/fire-valerie-jarrett-112659.html << " If her role in this administration reflected reality, Jarrett would be called “First Big Sister” to both Michelle and Barack. "

03:17:38 assbot: Fire Valerie Jarrett - Carol Felsenthal - POLITICO Magazine

03:18:07 decimation: I'm pretty sure obama just signs what he is told to sign and reads what he is told to read off the appropriate prompter

03:18:54 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2014#892643

03:18:54 assbot: Logged on 24-10-2014 04:44:03; asciilifeform: 'At the 1980 Olympics, Brezhnev begins his speech. "O!"?applause. "O!"?an ovation. "O!!!"?the whole audience stands up and applauds. An aide comes running to the podium and whispers, "Leonid Ilyich, those are the Olympic logo rings, you don't need to read all of them!"'

03:19:46 decimation: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100248221/bill-ayers-confesses-to-writing-obamas-memoir-he-didnt-but-his-tease-tells-us-a-lot-about-america/

03:19:50 assbot: Bill Ayers 'confesses' to writing Obama's memoir. He didn't, but his tease tells us a lot about America – Telegraph Blogs

03:20:58 decimation: the lady doth protest too much

03:21:02 asciilifeform: i once saw this man alive.

03:21:11 asciilifeform: was more or less exactly as i imagined.

03:21:11 decimation: who Ayers?

03:21:13 asciilifeform: aha

03:21:21 decimation: crazy hippie bomber?

03:21:26 asciilifeform: no

03:21:42 asciilifeform: 'resistance through culture' as described in mircea_popescu's articles

03:22:37 decimation: yeah Obama is pretty much the peak achievement of that 'movement', I don't see much more upside for them

03:22:48 *: mircea_popescu is confused.

03:23:58 decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps I'm wrong, but in the us there is a context of the 'hippie boomer' generation who are all 'retiring' now

03:24:18 mircea_popescu: ah

03:24:40 decimation: obama is their wet dream, in the sense that they have finally overturned (superficiality) "the man's" institutions

03:24:47 asciilifeform: actually they all entered 'public life' long ago, as the most loathesomely loyal cocksuckers imaginable.

03:25:24 decimation: in 'public life', they were immediately schooled by fdr's sycophants who were exiting power at the time

03:27:28 decimation: this is one reason why usg is still fdr's usg (that and the fact that they and their friends razed the world in wwii)

03:28:25 thestringpuller: fdr's usg, but a lot more bankrupt.

03:28:28 mircea_popescu: well, not this, that.

03:29:00 asciilifeform: decimation: in wwii << after invention of nuke, they realized that much as they would love to repeat the performance again and again as necessary, might put their own arses in peril. so - settled for a slow and continuous version of this.

03:29:41 mircea_popescu: decimation let's be fair here : you're a freshman, there's 12 kids in senior year. eleven strip naked, pour gasoline over each other and set themselves ablaze. the 12th puts them out by running into them backwards then continues to run backwards into things for a week or so, until he's finally comatose and just spazzes quietly on the ground.

03:29:54 mircea_popescu: if those are your two choices, who do you vote most likely to succeed ?

03:30:47 decimation: good point

03:31:18 mircea_popescu: by practical standards, the us did really well in the 20th century.

03:31:43 decimation: sure, in terms of trade, production, etc

03:32:45 mircea_popescu: even in terms of... not... pouring gasoline on own head and lighting it. twice.

03:45:42 decimation: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00133.html << lol, this kind of bellyaching over.. systemd?

03:52:29 thestringpuller: doesn't surprise me after discussions here...

03:52:41 decimation: "Everyone is conservative about what he knows best. " << Conquest's first law of politics

03:57:51 mircea_popescu: decimation one of the most interesting aspects of systemd is the irrationality of the proponents. it's almost as if you're discussing theology with the flat earth society or geophysics with the global warming cult of washington dc.

03:58:16 mircea_popescu: technologically it's about as notable as windows notepad, but sociologically... wow, ze goldmine.

03:59:25 mircea_popescu: "Today, now, before the results are announced, we have an opportunity to extend compassion and empathy and remind ourselves of the spirit in which we'd like to work together." << lmao fuck that.

03:59:42 mircea_popescu: who wants to work in an environment of "compassion" ? what are these people, retards ?

04:00:04 decimation: yeah, if anything this is a loud bell ringing to anyone 'sane': "these people are crazy, now's the time to exit!"

04:00:13 mircea_popescu: "I'm hoping that we can all take a few minutes to gain empathy for those who disagree with us." << derping about "empathy" -> straight to the uranium mines.

04:00:34 mircea_popescu: "Then I'm hoping we can use that understanding to

04:00:35 mircea_popescu: reassure them that they are valued and respected and their concerns

04:00:35 mircea_popescu: considered even when we end up strongly disagreeing with them or valuing

04:00:35 mircea_popescu: different things."

04:00:41 mircea_popescu: i mewan look at that hollow, empty bullshit.

04:00:52 mircea_popescu: "oh, so you want to wear pants ? fuck you, you're wearing a skirt.

04:00:59 mircea_popescu: aaaaaaaaaaaaand, you're valued and respected. bitch."

04:01:29 mircea_popescu: this is the ultimate theft, these people are trying to introduce into the world. they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow,

04:01:37 mircea_popescu: but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from"

04:01:53 mircea_popescu: to steal a concept, what a riotous approach.

04:02:13 decimation: I don't think any future historian will fail to notice the parallels between this and usg's way of doing business

04:02:57 mircea_popescu: who is this fuckface ayway ?

04:03:35 mircea_popescu: the kerberos guy ? uh.

04:04:53 mircea_popescu: i dunno if i'm the only one privy to the history of that protocol ?

04:05:05 mircea_popescu: perhaps an instructive case study as to how usg protocol confiscation works in the field.

04:06:32 decimation: I think kerberos came from mit right?

04:06:43 decimation: sam hartman is some developer I guess, but somehow has 'influence'

04:07:37 mircea_popescu: decimation kerberos was developed by mit in the 80s. a gutted export version was created. as the usg was going to (again) change its export restriction in 2000,

04:07:47 mircea_popescu: the gutted thing was reimplemented by some nordic country university

04:08:07 mircea_popescu: then a few years later windows migrated to "kerberos" as its primary security protocol

04:08:08 decimation: it's still a nightmare to deploy to this day, for sure

04:08:15 decimation: indeed it did

04:08:29 mircea_popescu: sam hartman is a 30something nobody, roughly speaking a debian gmaxwell

04:08:33 mircea_popescu: except he's not fat, he's blind.

04:08:55 decimation: in fact one of the supposed prime 'benefits' of redhat enterprise is that it can 'hook up to' a windows active directory server which acts as an ldap/krb ticket server

04:09:28 mircea_popescu: myeah.

04:09:47 mircea_popescu: im completely unclear as to why the fuck usg wants the "one computer system" so badly anyway.

04:09:59 thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net

04:10:00 gribble: qntra.net is down

04:10:21 thestringpuller: ;;isup trilema.com

04:10:22 gribble: trilema.com is down

04:10:52 decimation: mircea_popescu: the simplest answer is probably because usg is full of hartmans and gmaxwells

04:11:35 thestringpuller: decimation: what about jgarzik's?

04:12:01 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller myeah. bbs.

04:15:23 decimation: well, considering usg employs 4 million people, I suspect there is at least one of each http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/historical-tables/total-government-employment-since-1962/

04:16:08 mircea_popescu: fuckign to-feeling arguments in THE MOTHERFUCKING DEBIAN LISTS.

04:16:23 mircea_popescu: there's nothing to save here. just burn the entire stack where it stands an' that's that.

04:17:02 joecool: apt-get purge feelings

04:17:48 mircea_popescu: no but srsly, that letter is an exact summary of everything that's wrong with the english language space.

04:18:12 mircea_popescu: There isn't a right answer. As Russ has explained a number of times in the TC, on debian-vote and on his blog, this is about tradeoffs. I'm sure some people will be happy if the project's values are aligned with theirs. When they take that as far as saying the project made the "right decision" or rejected "bad options," they are not valuing the contributions of those who disagreed with them.

04:18:20 mircea_popescu: i mean check it out. "there's no wrong thing" now.

04:18:33 mircea_popescu: the point of discussion is not to discover the wrong alternatives, or the right alternatives.

04:18:39 mircea_popescu: the point of discussion is to suck each other off

04:18:59 mircea_popescu: and then driveby's have the unmitigated audacity to discuss #b-a cult-ness. how do you like that!

04:19:29 mircea_popescu: five fucking centuries of european intellectual heritate, which is the exactly ONLY reason the US even exists in the first place, down the drain. "We wanna be africans now. Hold hands."

04:19:51 mircea_popescu: let's fucking "value each other's" banana peels and sing koombaya.

04:20:21 *: mats_cd03 sings softly

04:21:30 *: thestringpuller joins in singing

04:21:45 mircea_popescu: anyway, seems to me clear teh usg-debian believes it got the votes

04:21:55 mircea_popescu: someone should make a bitbet about it, i'd throw a few cents.

04:22:00 asciilifeform: insult to perfectly adequate monkeys, who fight and occasionally settle matters in their monkey bands

04:22:21 mats_cd03: !up Vexual

04:22:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, at some point im gotta have to insult some unfortunate bystanding trashbag or something, or else collapse into A = A circularity.

04:22:43 mats_cd03: poor guy. cut outta the fold after bein' a regular for... what was it, a year plus?

04:22:45 mircea_popescu: "boy that sam h sounds just like a sam h"

04:22:45 asciilifeform: lol

04:22:56 mats_cd03: gotta loosen up on the mad ravings my good man

04:24:02 asciilifeform: debian compassion << cthonian horrors of the eldritch depths.

04:24:19 thestringpuller: sometimes the ravings of a madman is wisdom, other times just noise.

04:24:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you ever seen something this idiotic ?

04:25:01 decimation: it is a neat little experiment in 'infinite democracy'

04:25:03 mircea_popescu: i mean, the "other speeds more important to us" thing is nowhere near.

04:25:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only mr. spam comes close

04:25:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually this connects to the thread from earlier today re: patterns of speech.

04:27:25 thestringpuller: ;;seen cazalla

04:27:25 gribble: cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 46 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <cazalla> i guess ddos is back :\

04:28:43 asciilifeform: kerberos << among the many deliberately complex edifices of the u.s. department of wintel.

04:28:54 asciilifeform: a 'mouse farm' (in the sense of my article 'don't blame the mice')

04:30:32 asciilifeform: of course, anyone with even a spitting familiarity with software crud world knows that lizard hitler does not need to order these into existence - they happen naturally

04:30:38 asciilifeform: if you simply gather enough filth in one place

04:30:40 asciilifeform: and let it go

04:31:09 thestringpuller: My University uses Kerberos everywhere for logging in.

04:32:42 asciilifeform: compare with, e.g., 'gribble auth'

04:33:44 asciilifeform: a sausage and a turd are rather different, even if both cylindrical and both given shape by a piece of gut

04:34:57 mircea_popescu: lol nice one.

04:35:14 mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's not just "gather enough filth in one place"

04:35:20 mircea_popescu: it's moreover "make cleanning illegal"

04:35:29 asciilifeform: well yes, how else will it stay gathered.

04:35:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence.

04:36:05 mircea_popescu: pretty much

04:36:25 mircea_popescu: they figure they thus improved on the soviets,

04:36:39 asciilifeform: 'we rape you but wait we didn't because you are not a you, one cannot rape furniture'

04:36:43 mircea_popescu: which merely took the cow, and the voice under duress

04:37:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about how the cock felt!11

04:37:18 asciilifeform: l0l!

04:37:25 mircea_popescu: if you were a cock - which you obviously are not bwahhhaha i need a minute here lmao - if you were a cock

04:37:32 mircea_popescu: wouldn't you want some tight ass too ? so then ?

04:37:56 decimation: 'we voted and this is the best course of action'

04:38:01 mircea_popescu: "have some empathy for the people who want to take a shit on the collected effort of the people you happen to respect! they're people too!"

04:38:19 mircea_popescu: except this'd be th every definition of not being people. if they were people they'd do something else for a living.

04:38:36 asciilifeform: we may not like the cancer cell, but it 'works'. debian - dead.

04:38:57 asciilifeform: resquiat in pace.

04:39:46 decimation: do something else < which is why debian is now dead, as ascii wrote

04:39:58 decimation: redhat is going down the same tube, in the long run

04:40:06 asciilifeform: the cancer will spread to wherever it can

04:40:17 asciilifeform: doesn't need an objective, or a plan

04:40:51 mircea_popescu: THEM. not fucking me jesus christ.

04:41:06 mircea_popescu: when some kid is annoying you don't pick up and leave, you punch him in the nose.

04:42:17 asciilifeform: obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774690

04:42:17 assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your

04:42:17 nubbins`: but with debian dead, where do i turn

04:43:07 mircea_popescu: i propose in this case "not participation" is punching some blind twerp right in the face.

04:43:50 asciilifeform: if folks understood 'do not meet the enemy halfway' we would never have even heard of systemd.

04:44:11 asciilifeform: as such, you have to surgically remove its metastases even from a fresh 'gentoo'

04:44:23 asciilifeform: and if you forget to flip a switch - there it will be, staring right in your face

04:45:33 nubbins`: o.O osx comes with a python script that merges pdf files

04:45:51 decimation: lol I thought 'preview' did that

04:46:00 nubbins`: yeah, but you gotta do it one at a time that way

04:46:12 nubbins`: here i say join.py -o merged.pdf *.pdf

04:47:34 asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy

04:47:35 assbot: 1 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=teaching+the+controversy

04:47:52 nubbins`: and by the time i explain why this is better, i've got an 800mb merged.pdf waiting for me

04:48:00 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827668

04:48:00 assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically

04:48:00 assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'

04:48:23 asciilifeform: ^ re: how the cancer rolls.

04:48:53 asciilifeform: what's more, this follows inescapably from any situation, anywhere, where someone gets to 'score nonzero points' merely for showing up.

04:49:54 asciilifeform: all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.'

04:51:19 mircea_popescu: top - 23:51:11 up 15 min, 2 users, load average: 5153.36, 3287.44, 1431.04

04:51:21 mircea_popescu: lel.

04:51:26 mircea_popescu: anyone ever seen better ?

04:51:26 nubbins`: dat load

04:53:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness, there's a lot of value to teaching the controversy.

04:53:47 mircea_popescu: it just has to be a controversy between actual people.

04:54:03 asciilifeform: the phrase is a term of art from u.s. propaganda schools.

04:54:34 asciilifeform: being the first step of a recipe for convincing folks of something that would otherwise be readily apparent as lunacy

04:54:38 mircea_popescu: it is, true.

04:55:21 asciilifeform: see also, related, 'fear, uncertainty, and doubt.'

04:55:22 mircea_popescu: i have this baby in bathwater obsession, myself. "teaching the controversy" is just americanized, which is to say, "cut into bits and rubbed in shit" hegelian dialectics.

04:55:39 asciilifeform: well yes.

04:55:49 decimation: proto-marxism?

04:57:46 mircea_popescu: ymmv, but to my eyes it's perfectly good science.

04:57:53 mircea_popescu: (hegel's, that is)

04:58:04 thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net

04:58:07 gribble: qntra.net is down

04:58:14 nubbins`: ooo i shouldn't have used the wifi connection to send this print job

04:58:14 asciilifeform: at the very least, perfectly good chumpatronic engineering.

04:58:23 nubbins`: ;/

04:58:31 nubbins`: why!

05:00:33 nubbins`: actually there we go, wasn't so bad

05:04:26 thestringpuller: nubbins`: can you pm me tracking number again?

05:05:27 RagnarDanneskjol: ;;later tell ben_vulpes thanks. i did think that through...all those i had in mind casually follow things here but not enough to be rated/active - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2014#915367

05:05:27 assbot: Logged on 09-11-2014 04:36:17; RagnarDanneskjol: I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first

05:05:27 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:06:11 asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: quite a few people, i think, underestimated the effort involved

05:06:23 RagnarDanneskjol: indeed

05:06:29 asciilifeform: can't say i didn't warn.

05:06:51 *: asciilifeform has studied the turd, on and off, for quite some time

05:08:32 thestringpuller: one day I will make a book of your turdisms asciilifeform

05:08:46 thestringpuller: or maybe a comic strip...

05:08:59 asciilifeform: make comic of bitcoind

05:09:12 asciilifeform: (the real one, not the cthonian horror)

05:09:32 asciilifeform: in the style of larry gonick, i dare say

05:09:32 thestringpuller: but that isn't a turd!

05:32:42 mircea_popescu: lol

05:32:44 mircea_popescu: !up cascadian_herper

05:33:04 cascadian_herper: danke

05:33:34 cascadian_herper: ragnardanneskjol: whats the best time to plant a tree?

05:33:46 nubbins`: -1.5.tar.gz

05:33:49 nubbins`: oops

05:34:20 thestringpuller: the best time to plant a tree is never, because they all die anyways

05:35:14 mircea_popescu: "I really hope that folks who value user choice will be willing to work with those who are trying to introduce improved ways of doing things regardless of what we decide." <<< and there's the giveaway.

05:35:22 cascadian_herper: well shit just give up then

05:35:26 mircea_popescu: not really easy, doing this sort of thing.

05:36:03 decimation: the river of meat has spoken

05:37:24 cascadian_herper: ragnardanneskjol: i want to work with the hep cats who see wot+bitcoin and are struck speechless with their importance who then hie to the gpg-machine for registration

05:37:51 cascadian_herper: not troops who must be rounded

05:40:42 RagnarDanneskjol: most people are struck once they take the time to learn it. its a damn figure of speech -as in contacting all those I know who are squarely qualified to do this work AND meet said expectations

05:41:43 RagnarDanneskjol: I have plenty of other things to do if you dont any help

05:41:52 RagnarDanneskjol: dont want*

05:42:30 thestringpuller: "I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves"

05:44:54 RagnarDanneskjol: !up cascadian_herper

05:45:44 cascadian_herper: merely illuminating parameters.

05:45:53 RagnarDanneskjol: understood

05:47:52 cascadian_herper: this web client is wholly inadequate

05:48:09 RagnarDanneskjol: which you using?

05:48:16 cascadian_herper: kiwi

05:48:57 RagnarDanneskjol: ahh. if you're on andro, andchat and halo are decent

05:49:02 cascadian_herper: not really motivated to irc on phnoe

05:52:05 mats_cd03: is nice reading material when pooping

05:53:10 TheNewDeal: best material wipes as well

05:54:06 mats_cd03: anyone keeping a running count of known USG coins?

05:54:46 mats_cd03: i vaguely recall smth in the neighborhood of 400k

05:55:02 TheNewDeal: M_infinity ?

05:55:21 TheNewDeal: or like, could carry in large knapsack?

05:55:38 mats_cd03: er, bitcoins

05:59:20 mats_cd03: via confiscations and what not

05:59:51 TheNewDeal: ;;totalbc

05:59:51 gribble: 13509425.0

06:00:29 TheNewDeal: ;;interval 10000

06:00:29 gribble: (interval takes no arguments) -- Shows average interval, in seconds, between last 1000 blocks.

06:01:32 TheNewDeal: ;;halfreward

06:01:33 gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Jul 31 15:21:25 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 36 weeks, 5 days, 9 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.

06:05:50 TheNewDeal: ;;8ball

06:05:51 gribble: It is so.

06:06:26 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> "I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves" << more like "i like round things but not circles, because this difference exists"

06:10:39 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 they're about 100k under, atm.

06:11:11 mircea_popescu: and their last toe support got squeezed to fuck in s.mpoe, so there's going to be a reckoning next week or something like that.

06:13:55 mats_cd03: ok thanks

06:38:35 thestringpuller: !mpif

06:38:35 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021747 B (Total: 475.57 B). Delta: 0.56 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]

06:38:51 thestringpuller: $depth f.mpif

06:38:51 empyex: thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Bids: 7125 @ 0.00019500 30000 @ 0.00019100 7636 @ 0.00019000 100000 @ 0.00018500

06:38:52 empyex: thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Asks: 99 @ 0.00021900 2000 @ 0.00021910 17100 @ 0.00022000 10000 @ 0.00022000

06:45:57 thestringpuller: ;;ls

06:45:57 gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?

06:46:33 kakobrekla: demo test: http://qntra.net/2014/11/this-onion-it-smells-inherent-hazards-of-the-tor-network/

06:46:34 assbot: This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | Qntra.net ( http://dpaste.com/28ADNN6.txt )

06:46:40 kakobrekla: see link.

06:47:31 mircea_popescu: dpaste got no html mode ?

06:47:59 kakobrekla: who has

06:48:00 kakobrekla: ?

06:48:34 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/ < syntax highlight

06:48:43 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/ < idem

06:48:54 *: kakobrekla wont use non-raw

06:50:50 kakobrekla: makes my brain hurt

06:51:36 thestringpuller: links2 mode

06:52:05 kakobrekla: anyway how is this better http://pastebin.com/Xq8c3EeM

06:55:27 kakobrekla: looking at this, we can notice qntra has two </footer> tags, only one <footer>

06:56:11 kakobrekla: also one extra </div> that does not belog.

06:56:14 kakobrekla: belong

06:56:33 RagnarDanneskjol: that is a very nice feature add. raw is pretty tough on the eyes. at least you have some margin on standard paste and the option to show raw

06:57:15 *: kakobrekla still not convinced

07:01:02 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/4-alternatives-that-may-be-better-than-pastebin/

07:02:02 mircea_popescu: that's an interesting point.

07:02:08 *: RagnarDanneskjol searching for pasters I've seen supporting formatting

07:02:11 mircea_popescu: the footer

07:07:23 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

07:07:36 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 401.45, vol: 12782.62524050 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 395.0, vol: 8349.05923 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 401.84, vol: 28410.25447645 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 399.361767, vol: 226201.84320000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 3.89065 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 394.821, vol: 55.90373743 | Volume-weighted last average: 399.580880606

07:11:02 mircea_popescu: https://webproxy.vpnbook.com/browse.php?u=TgiS5wSPehNu94A3&b=0&f=norefer << also other than assbot, proxies for the lost.

07:11:04 assbot: Free Web Proxy ( http://dpaste.com/0RCYY6X.txt )

07:18:34 kakobrekla: that doesnt work

07:18:46 kakobrekla: they as well dont see dns

07:19:53 mircea_popescu: worked for me a second ago

07:20:58 kakobrekla: nohttp://shrani.si/f/2A/BG/mdCxKCv/err.png

07:21:16 mircea_popescu: hm.

07:34:02 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/qeLJ0DJa << how are these derps making it throiugh then lol

07:34:04 assbot: Host: 193.33.24.8 / Http Code: 403 Date: Nov 17 02:31:32 Http Version: HTTP - Pastebin.com ( http://dpaste.com/060Y1NC.txt )

07:58:35 mircea_popescu: !up saifedean

07:59:34 saifedean: good day everyone, how goes it?

08:01:48 mircea_popescu: same ol'.

08:08:05 saifedean: So a couple of my friends have started a Middle East bitcoin payment processor: http://yellowpay.co

08:08:07 assbot: Yellow | Bitcoin Payments in MENA ( http://dpaste.com/3FT7DWN.txt )

08:08:35 saifedean: any thoughts, advice, or searing critiques?

08:11:19 mircea_popescu: what's this, 2011 all over again ?

08:11:39 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust couple of friends

08:11:39 gribble: (gettrust [<sourcenick>] <destnick>) -- Get trust paths for <destnick>, starting from <sourcenick>. If <sourcenick> is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust

08:11:48 mircea_popescu: apparently it dun work like that.

08:11:56 RagnarDanneskjol: hahah

08:14:31 saifedean: im not asking for trust for these friends, just wondering what you folks think of this business model.

08:16:27 mircea_popescu: but, so far the business model is "dude where's my car"

08:17:13 mircea_popescu: like, what are these friends. are they cooks ? airplane pilots ?

08:18:56 saifedean: one used to work in tech companies, the other in bullshit management consulting. they both quit their jobs to work on this full time

08:21:09 RagnarDanneskjol: I recommend thy try to get their old jobs back 'fore its too late.. a 'no risk' exchange does sound rather amazing tho

08:21:09 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

08:21:09 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

08:21:12 gribble: Current Blocks: 330392 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 231 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 12 hours, 42 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40100157618.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.25365

08:22:45 mircea_popescu: saifedean the way that noobs usually work these things is, they put in some work for a few months, and while they're small whatever bank they lied to doesn't bother to notice.

08:22:53 mircea_popescu: then it yanks the plug and there goes the "business model"

08:30:05 RagnarDanneskjol: the world could use an updated, expanded 'so you wanna start a bitcoin business'

08:31:00 punkman: old one is still good

08:32:07 RagnarDanneskjol: indeed.. still, so much more could be said on the topic - and old one lives on tardstalk

08:32:59 RagnarDanneskjol: AND the author can no longer reply, so

08:33:31 mircea_popescu: speaking of old one, your friends happened ot read it saifedean ?

08:33:33 mircea_popescu: !up saifedean

08:34:01 saifedean: i haven't read the old one, where is it?

08:34:13 RagnarDanneskjol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0

08:34:16 assbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ( http://dpaste.com/2GKAS1Q.txt )

08:39:28 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-mighty-wind/ << if anyone's not seen that, i heartily recommend.

08:39:29 assbot: A Mighty Wind pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ( http://dpaste.com/1H25BAB.txt )

08:40:04 saifedean: "Access Denied (content_filter_denied) Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Games""

08:40:26 saifedean: trilema is classified as games by my university, MP!

08:41:03 mircea_popescu: games ?!

08:41:17 mircea_popescu: that's a new one.

08:42:52 saifedean: imma email this to our network administrator: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/138/089/1308693297001.jpg

08:42:56 assbot: ( http://dpaste.com/3A3JP03.txt )

08:43:18 RagnarDanneskjol: game of thrones moreliek

08:44:44 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/a-nins-a-nins/ << speaking of game

08:44:46 assbot: A nins ? A nins! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ( http://dpaste.com/2RN6X5M.txt )

08:45:00 mircea_popescu: email him that, at least he can reclassify it. HUNTING!

08:45:04 saifedean: well, this link worked, but the previous one didn't

08:45:41 mircea_popescu: seems this filter of yours is doing exactly as much useful work as every filter ever.

08:54:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1012 @ 0.00120546 = 1.2199 BTC [+] {3}

09:49:50 punkman: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-dutch-village-where-everyone-has-dementia/382195/?single_page=true

09:49:51 assbot: The Dutch Village Where Everyone Has Dementia - The Atlantic ( http://dpaste.com/2Q2H2QX.txt )

09:50:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1083 @ 0.00120569 = 1.3058 BTC [+] {2}

10:32:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1665 @ 0.0012 = 1.998 BTC

10:46:13 BingoBoingo: !up gerax

10:46:16 BingoBoingo: !up PiaAA

10:46:45 PiaAA: is the tits for 0.1 btc still active?

10:48:44 jurov: hi PiaAA, maybe

10:49:04 jurov: you can wait few hours for mircea_popescu and ask him

10:51:41 PiaAA: thanks

11:04:44 PiaAA: so, what is this place for?

11:04:56 PiaAA: so many people but everyone is quiet lol

11:05:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC

11:06:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1170 @ 0.0012 = 1.404 BTC

11:07:28 jurov: PiaAA: it's that time of day... apparently europeans don't like to chat much at this hour

11:07:35 jurov: and everyone else is asleep

11:07:52 jurov: you can read logs: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com

11:07:56 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ( http://dpaste.com/2Z7SWG7.txt )

11:18:06 punkman: https://robert.sesek.com/2014/9/unraveling_nsa_s_turbulence_programs.html

11:18:08 assbot: Unraveling NSA's TURBULENCE Programs - Robert Sesek ( http://dpaste.com/1HMC6CN.txt )

11:25:44 punkman: https://github.com/client9/ipcat

11:25:46 assbot: client9/ipcat · GitHub ( http://dpaste.com/2PDCZEE.txt )

11:42:26 cazalla: http://dpaste.com/1HMC6CN.txt

11:42:28 assbot: ( http://dpaste.com/1PAJHXZ.txt )

11:43:11 punkman: dpaste all the dpaste!

11:58:44 Adlai: ;;ident adlai

11:58:44 gribble: Nick 'adlai', with hostmask 'Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai', is identified as user 'Adlai', with GPG key id 4D88596A7CDA03F9, key fingerprint FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj

11:59:19 Adlai: is this gpgadlai or btcadlai? only gribble knows...

12:00:34 Adlai: the nsa's database probably knows, although i'd be surprised and honored if they cared

12:01:15 *: Adlai reads http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/accelerating-change/474

12:01:18 assbot: Accelerating Change ( http://dpaste.com/1C66YR4.txt )

12:01:42 jurov: why it's so important? got split personality?

12:01:43 Adlai: holy fuck that dpaste is painful on the retina

12:02:12 Adlai: well, apparently using btc auth is foolhardy, childish, and infinitely inferior to gpg auth

12:02:45 Adlai: entropy cares how it's serialized

12:03:48 jurov: ENTROPY CARES

12:04:36 Adlai: AMAZING ENTROPY

12:04:36 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

12:05:32 Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification, but i imagine there's some way around that

12:38:53 danielpbarron: ;;rated napedia

12:38:53 gribble: You rated user napedia on Mon Nov 17 07:30:42 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: https://twitter.com/napoleon/status/534321538657308672.

12:42:28 Adlai: nice https://twitter.com/napoleon/status/467322725074079745

12:42:29 assbot: Only invest in the USD what you can afford to lose.

12:43:35 Adlai: cf https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/y/yamamotots536612.html

12:43:36 assbot: Meditation on inevitable death should be performed daily. Every day one should meditate... - Yamamo ( http://dpaste.com/1RZ2491.txt )

12:44:32 Adlai: isn't it about time this assbot paste thingy learned to distinguish content from cruft?

12:45:36 danielpbarron: Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily,[a] and follow Me.

12:47:33 Adlai: isn't it about time for the sequel, "Jesus Shrugged"?

12:48:55 Adlai: he should join us in E̶g̶y̶p̶t̶ chile

13:56:57 BingoBoingo: $status

13:56:57 empyex: BingoBoingo: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.bz mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com mpex.co Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

13:56:59 empyex: BingoBoingo: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (106 milliseconds), mpex.ws (109 milliseconds), mpex.co (113 milliseconds), mpex.bz (114 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (683 milliseconds)

13:56:59 empyex: BingoBoingo: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √

14:11:33 BingoBoingo: !up saifedean

14:20:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 11665 @ 0.0012 = 13.998 BTC

14:29:27 xanthyos: ruminated a bit on the imagery of human women being milked as cows when i woke up. the creepy part is that it's not just hentai, and that given the population of the earth, there are surely women that are being dairy farmed somewhere. the writers of walking dead missed an opportunity to have some surprise cheese or yogurt in the cannibal camp episodes.

14:31:21 xanthyos: Deuteronomy 14:21Modern English Version (MEV)

14:31:21 xanthyos: 21 You must not eat of anything that dies of itself, but you may give it to the foreigner that is in your gates, so that he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner, for you are a holy people to the Lord your God.

14:31:25 xanthyos: You shall not boil a young goat in its mother.s milk.

14:31:28 xanthyos: NO CHEESEBURGERS!

14:34:49 *: Adlai likes the bit about feeding carrion to immigrants

14:34:56 xanthyos: heh

14:37:57 xanthyos: heh funny timing ^

15:44:53 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/Nvpe1Ccv << why is "erasing the past" such a common fantasy ?

15:44:55 assbot: Dear Affiliate, Priscilia Jones is starting a new career and - Pastebin.com ( http://dpaste.com/3FJSBR1.txt )

15:53:33 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/detroit-hit-by-ransomware-in-april/

15:53:34 assbot: Detroit Hit By Ransomware in April | Qntra.net ( http://dpaste.com/3N6FD0C.txt )

15:53:54 mircea_popescu: poor detroit.

15:55:12 TheNewDeal: Did I get that correct that the Mayor attempted to sync a calendar on an infected system?

16:01:49 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal they seem unrelated.

16:02:41 mircea_popescu: that said, i struggle to comprehend what the idea is behind BingoBoingo's collection of factoids.

16:02:59 BingoBoingo: Detroit sucks?

16:03:12 mircea_popescu: so here's a chick with a hoola instead http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4mvgabRW11qminlvo1_400.gif

16:03:14 assbot: ( error )

16:03:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1167 @ 0.0012 = 1.4004 BTC

16:03:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but listen, if that's your angle (detroit sucks) then make it your title. if that doesn't work then why not ?

16:04:39 BingoBoingo: Ah, ok.

16:05:11 mircea_popescu: jurov:

16:05:11 mircea_popescu: you can wait few hours for mircea_popescu and ask him << how does jurov know!!!

16:05:45 BingoBoingo: I just found the "Spread the Wealth" op-ed piece a bit... ironic considering every other headline there tonday is about the absolute pile of nothing they have.

16:05:58 nubbins`: how does he know how to get an anagram of his name into a sha256sum :P

16:06:27 mircea_popescu: Adlai: is this gpgadlai or btcadlai? only gribble knows... << nanotube you know, he brings a very good point. how would i go to check that he is in fact and specifically gpg authed ?

16:06:29 nubbins`: TBF i thought detroit was dead by now

16:07:12 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im not saying the three links couldn't assemble into a great piece, but merely that it has to actually be done. ie, reader doesn't have access to the lulz in your head, put it on teh page.

16:07:23 nubbins`: mircea_popescu hm that's a good one. ;;ident will list gpg key AND btc address if both are reg'd

16:07:42 BingoBoingo: Ah, that problem. The why Trilema must have so many words problem.

16:08:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins` reg'd yes. auth'd ?

16:09:47 mircea_popescu: i suppose the standard best practice when newbs make accounts would be inserting a rider with "and don't add a btc address, it just creates pointless ambiguity"

16:10:49 mircea_popescu: Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification << le explain ?

16:11:16 nubbins`: BingoBoingo

16:11:18 nubbins`: Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan revealed at the North American International Cyber Summit that a 2,000 BTC ransom was not paid in order to regain access to the affected database because it was "not that important".

16:11:22 nubbins`: In a seemingly-unrelated revelation that perhaps hints at the true reason for the bounty not being paid, the mayor also revealed that he cannot sync his MS Office calendar to his phone due to technical difficulties.

16:11:25 *: nubbins` shrugs

16:11:36 mircea_popescu: lol

16:11:51 nubbins`: revelation + revealed gotta go

16:12:03 mircea_popescu: nono, "mayor would like to spread the wealth but can not find the time to do so"

16:12:04 nubbins`: s/revelation/admission perhaps

16:12:07 nubbins`: anyway lelelelelelel.

16:12:17 nubbins`: such a mayor/manager thing to say huh

16:12:27 nubbins`: "i can't get my phone to sync my calendar"

16:12:29 mircea_popescu: mangerial.

16:12:37 mircea_popescu: you know, from mange.

16:12:38 nubbins`: "why isn't my sound working"

16:12:44 mircea_popescu: ahahaha.

16:12:47 nubbins`: mangy mayor

16:12:51 mircea_popescu: old woman @doctor's office :

16:12:55 mircea_popescu: doc, my sound's working.

16:13:00 nubbins`: heh

16:13:06 nubbins`: she can finally pee?

16:13:10 mircea_popescu: lmao!

16:13:12 *: nubbins` claps

16:13:18 mircea_popescu: no, she just used to hear these voices and for a while they were gone

16:13:24 nubbins`: 5 satoshi says i'm the only one here who got that

16:13:26 mircea_popescu: hence, ~HER~ sound wasn;t working

16:13:31 nubbins`: o heh

16:13:35 nubbins`: thought i nailed it ;/

16:13:45 mircea_popescu: lol. what sort of a cult do you think this is!

16:13:50 nubbins`: ;;google sounding site:bme.com

16:13:51 mircea_popescu: can't be having people nailing shit.

16:13:51 gribble: Sounding - BME Encyclopedia: http://wiki.bme.com/index.php?title=Sounding; Sounds - BME Encyclopedia: http://wiki.bme.com/index.php?title=Sounds; Sounding | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News: http://news.bme.com/tag/sounding/

16:13:56 mircea_popescu: yes yes.

16:14:02 mircea_popescu: i am aware what a urethral sound is.

16:14:03 nubbins`: for the uninitiated among us.

16:14:18 nubbins`: tl;dr put things where you pee, it feels good

16:15:05 mircea_popescu: i also like how the sophistication, size and complexity of boy sounds vs girl sounds properly reflects the boy vs girl relation generally.

16:15:31 nubbins`: boys like big fancy toys?

16:15:41 mircea_popescu: (i actually won an argument on this once. triumphant mainstreamist "oh yea ? on what criteria!" mp : "urethral sounds complexity.")

16:16:07 nubbins`: i don't know that i've seen gender-specific sounds, altho i guess the big sets would never ever fit into a woman's urethra

16:16:34 mircea_popescu: Alexander Fox @AutonoZone ? Oct 6 @napoleon @BitcoinBelle Idealism is a dangerous investment strategy. Just look at the goldbugs. Global capital is pouring into the USD. <<< why does the usd sound so much like every other altchain scam ?

16:16:45 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you kidding ? the curved ones are male.

16:16:51 mircea_popescu: the female ones are just straight sticks.

16:16:59 nubbins`: o rly?

16:17:04 mircea_popescu: yup rly.

16:17:05 nubbins`: then i've never seen female ones :o

16:17:18 nubbins`: http://shop.bme.com/product/hegar-sounds/

16:17:20 assbot: BME Body Modification Ezine Shop ( http://dpaste.com/3N77JA3.txt )

16:17:28 nubbins`: "no returns" lel

16:17:47 mircea_popescu: http://haydenmedicalinc.com/urology-urethral-dilators-sounds/

16:17:50 assbot: Hayden Medical Inc. Urology Urethral Dilators Sounds - Hayden Medical Inc. ( http://dpaste.com/37VYF89.txt )

16:17:54 mircea_popescu: grep for "Infant & Female Dilator Set"

16:17:56 mircea_popescu: because yes.

16:18:27 nubbins`: curved

16:18:54 nubbins`: anyway idk what it's like now, but there was a time when private citizens had the hardest time purchasing shit like this

16:19:14 nubbins`: i remember going to a medical supply place once to pick up a biopsy punch i'd ordered

16:19:19 nubbins`: "sooo... are you a doctor?"

16:19:21 nubbins`: "nope"

16:19:28 nubbins`: (guy gets visibly worried)

16:19:41 nubbins`: "what are you going to do with this?"

16:19:42 mircea_popescu: lol

16:19:44 nubbins`: (i tell him)

16:20:10 nubbins`: (worry replaced with confusion, leads me to cash register)

16:20:48 mircea_popescu: let me guess, you fix hogheads of paint

16:21:41 *: mircea_popescu tries to follow in Adlai's footsteps reading that "accelerating change" piece, gets as far as "The goal of this chapter is to trace the general implications of what are identified as the two central characteristics of the future: accelerating change and intensifying complexity.", first line in abstract, and fails.

16:21:47 nubbins`: nothing so innocent, although i've mostly moved on from the proclivities of my youth

16:21:56 mircea_popescu: what the FUCK is "intensifying" complexity. is complexity like pain or wtf.

16:22:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you punch the woman while ridin' her ?!

16:22:36 nubbins`: i definitely do not biopsy women during sex

16:23:06 mircea_popescu: "spread wider honey i wanna get a taste of precum straigth through your perineum!"

16:23:39 nubbins`: :0

16:23:49 nubbins`: many deviance, such edge play

16:24:25 nubbins`: for those of you not in the know, a biopsy punch is a cylindrical scalpel, useful for removing round chunks of flesh from various areas of the body

16:24:31 nubbins`: https://online.ebos.co.nz/images/product/LRI%20biopsy%20punch6.JPG

16:24:37 assbot: ( http://dpaste.com/001Q1ZS.txt )

16:24:37 mircea_popescu: unfortunately i may have created a monster there.

16:25:29 mircea_popescu: you probably make earlobe holes and lame shit like that.

16:25:56 nubbins`: close enough

16:26:31 nubbins`: altho my earlobe holes were done the old-fashioned way, pierced with a needle then immediately tapered to 6 gauge

16:26:33 mircea_popescu: that's the main problem for people that got circumcised

16:26:38 mircea_popescu: that less skin to fuck with.

16:26:50 nubbins`: the cock is a cornucopia of piercing sites

16:27:01 mircea_popescu: only for slavebois

16:27:08 nubbins`: i can list maybe a dozen named cock piercings off the top of my head

16:27:08 mircea_popescu: real men use the cock to pierce other things

16:27:11 nubbins`: heh

16:27:15 nubbins`: like earlobes

16:27:23 mircea_popescu: well, by design, hymens.

16:27:41 mircea_popescu: BUT IF YOU MUST BE A PERV....

16:31:34 *: punkman goes to check bme guy's blog, finds "hey guys, I'm dead" post

16:31:55 mircea_popescu: xanthyos: ruminated a bit on the imagery of human women being milked as cows when i woke up. the creepy part is that it's not just hentai, and that given the population of the earth, there are surely women that are being dairy farmed somewhere. << nope. if you think about it, mammals are only productive after foaling. what would you do with all the babies ? this and numerous other considerations make dairy-female a hig

16:31:55 mircea_popescu: hly abstract fantasy, roughly comensurate with the bizarre shit coming out of the lesbian feminist camp, which is why i made that comment.

16:31:55 *: nubbins` nods

16:32:05 nubbins`: punkman actually a very interesting guy, if a bit narcissistic

16:32:19 mircea_popescu: more stuff i missed ;/

16:32:30 mircea_popescu: only heard of bme through modder chick years after its heyday

16:32:31 nubbins`: real downer about him killing himself, i was in a funk for like 6mo over it

16:32:36 mircea_popescu: the curse of the archeologist.

16:32:40 nubbins`: yeah hey

16:32:42 punkman: yeah he was a cool dude, bme turned to shit when ex-wife took it over

16:32:50 nubbins`: punkman i met her once at a wedding

16:33:15 nubbins`: not a great person

16:33:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` met modder chick through making fun of "all those freaks with the crazy shit stick on all sides of head".

16:33:33 nubbins`: heheh

16:33:35 mircea_popescu: cause you know, she seemed sane, and im very conservative.

16:34:02 nubbins`: i actually met my first almost-wife through bme

16:34:15 mircea_popescu: did she come in one piece ?

16:34:25 nubbins`: a more-or-less intact piece, no less

16:34:26 punkman: mircea_popescu: here's the blog btw http://www.zentastic.com/blog/

16:34:30 assbot: Shannon Larratt is Zentastic › I can scarcely move or draw my breath // Let me, let me freeze agai ( http://dpaste.com/0YZ37CA.txt )

16:34:58 mircea_popescu: anyway, i would expect suicide is the definitve body modification all serious practitioners aspire towards.

16:36:00 nubbins`: assbot now scrapes site & dpastes plaintext?

16:36:08 nubbins`: rad

16:36:30 punkman: not just plaintext! even images!

16:36:49 mircea_popescu: it's maybe a little silly.

16:37:47 nubbins`: bordering on useless

16:38:06 nubbins`: nice alternative for when you really don't wanna click a link, i guess

16:38:36 mircea_popescu: part of it was the ip stealing attempt coupla days back.

16:39:08 mircea_popescu: as always, the security/sanity balance is unobvious.

16:40:38 punkman: maybe I can setup a URL where assbot can post content to, provide actual html/file mirror

16:41:09 mircea_popescu: sahould be more in the scoopbot than in the deedbot domain that, in the interest of not making a mess of things

16:41:28 punkman: yeah not on deedbot system, I got plenty of space on a dreamhost account

16:41:34 mircea_popescu: which i guess kinda pushes the point,

16:41:36 mircea_popescu: ;;seen peterl

16:41:36 gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 14 hours, 56 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <PeterL> yes

16:42:26 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl there's stuff to talk about!

16:42:27 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:42:49 punkman: Imma write stupid PHP script to do this, also needed for deed backups

16:44:26 mircea_popescu: well seeing how scoopbot's never in chan, something's gonna have to be done here.

16:44:32 mircea_popescu: ;;seen scoopbot

16:44:32 gribble: scoopbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 11 hours, 8 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <scoopbot> New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/isis-introduces-coins/

16:51:22 nanotube: mircea_popescu: that info is not currently publicly available. though i can find out by checking bot-side logs.

16:52:22 nubbins`: my admittedly inconsequential vote is for including it in ;;ident, as it's potentially useful

16:52:39 nanotube: what would it be useful for?

16:52:58 nubbins`: say you want to know if someone's authed via btc or gpg

16:53:09 nubbins`: ('potentially' == i can't think of a compelling scenario)

16:53:52 nanotube: haha you're begging the question here. /why/ would someone want to know that

16:53:59 nanotube: is what i want to know :)

16:54:07 nubbins`: 8)

16:54:23 nanotube: not that it would harm anything to have the info... just curious

16:54:54 nubbins`: ostensibly so it's easier to shame people who have registered both a gpg key and a btc address, but choose not to auth via gpg

16:55:00 nubbins`: i'm sure mp has a more concrete scenario in mind ;p

16:55:21 xanthyos: mircea_popescu: once a woman starts producing milk she'll keep producing it until she stops nursing. there are some children who nurse way too long and as long as they keep suckling, the milk will flow. also i doubt anyone using women to farm milk is concerned about cost effectiveness or has the moral concern to worry about his cows continually giving birth. their young might be inserted into the food chain that eventually becomes the moth

16:55:44 nubbins`: ...

16:56:40 nubbins`: i'm sure the truly compelling part of that paragraph was after the break

16:57:26 xanthyos: kafkaesque

16:58:33 nubbins`: popesque

17:00:21 nubbins`: i was at a printer's fair yesterday and some guy came up being really weird about a book we published

17:04:06 asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/2014/11/michael-daniel-no-zero-day-stockpile

17:04:07 assbot: U.S. Gov Insists It Doesn't Stockpile Zero-Day Exploits to Hack Enemies | WIRED ( http://dpaste.com/0WFM9VM.txt )

17:07:38 rithm: asciilifeform it just means they subcontract it out

17:07:50 nubbins`: ^^^^^

17:09:34 rithm: reading reports under the pretense where one hands know what the other hand is doing is fallacy

17:18:22 asciilifeform: http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2014kul/materials/D2T1%20-%20Haroon%20Meer%20Azhar%20Desai%20and%20Marco%20Slaviero%20-%20Weapons%20of%20Mass%20Distraction.pdf

17:19:00 asciilifeform: ^ recent experiments in advanced spamatronics

17:21:45 mircea_popescu: <nanotube> haha you're begging the question here. /why/ would someone want to know that << well, i do want to know.

17:22:13 mircea_popescu: for one thing, if a hole is found in either but not in both, the situation is now glbse-ambiguous : anyone logged on can claim it wasn;t them

17:24:53 mircea_popescu: "also i doubt anyone using women to farm milk is concerned about cost effectiveness" << maybe we're not on the same page as to what farm means, here.

17:25:12 mircea_popescu: something like "i'm farming the lich king, 100k spent for every 80k worth of loot" ?

17:27:11 mircea_popescu: also, feeding cows their foals, it doesn't work. that's how you select for Creutzfeldt?Jakob

17:27:49 nubbins`: ^

17:28:05 mircea_popescu: if it did make any sort of economic sense it'd be all over your flouridated water i'm sure.

17:28:12 nubbins`: i have friends who are still not allowed to donate blood because they spent more than 6mo in england

17:28:45 mircea_popescu: "In Canada, individuals are not eligible to donate blood or plasma if they have spent a cumulative total of three months in the United Kingdom or France from January 1, 1980, to December 31, 1996. They are also ineligible if they have spent a cumulative total of five years or more in Western Europe outside the U.K. or France since 1980, or if they have had a blood transfusion in the U.K., France or Western Europe since

17:28:45 mircea_popescu: 1980."

17:28:56 mircea_popescu: and in spite of all that painstaking effort ? still crazy as fuck, the canucks.

17:47:16 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/armed-robber-who-got-out-of-sentence-because-of-clerical/article_a5cb7512-5a78-5efc-a77a-769f348f12a3.html

17:47:17 assbot: Armed robber who got out of sentence because of clerical error is back in jail : News ( http://1.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vd3d3LnN0bHRvZGF5LmNvbS9uZXdzL2xvY2FsL2NyaW1lLWFuZC1jb3VydHMvYXJtZWQtcm9iYmVyLXdoby1nb3Qtb3V0LW9mLXNlbnRlbmNlLWJlY2F1c2Utb2YtY2xlcmljYWwvYXJ0aWNsZV9hNWNiNzUxMi01YTc4LTVlZmMtYTc3YS03NjlmMzQ4ZjEyYTMuaHRtbA== )

17:48:03 nubbins`: mp these rules were enacted by a competing prion which has figured out how to influence human behaviour in a more nuanced fashion

17:48:24 nubbins`: turf wars

17:49:07 mircea_popescu: lol

17:49:23 mircea_popescu: hey buster! that's prion art!

17:50:33 nubbins`: a prioni knowledge

17:51:18 *: BingoBoingo awaits discovery of world with Chiraly reversed biochemistry.

17:52:37 nubbins`: BingoBoingo it's only like 10% as big, not so fun

17:53:14 nubbins`: apparently something like 35% of bitcoiners are leftys?

17:54:44 *: BingoBoingo imagines the aliens landing in nubbins yard, spotting that all of the amino acids are flipped the wrong way, and putting a warning bouy in earth orbit announcing Earth's toxicity.

17:55:16 *: BingoBoingo imagines the SEW campaign to make Earth safe for the Alien Invaders

17:56:56 nubbins`: you cannot donate your tenderloins unless you've spent less than 3 consecutive months on earth

18:00:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc asimov had a tale with this premise

18:00:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I vaguelly remember a few stories but no titles

18:01:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i once tried to write a tale of perverse world of differing chiralities for male and female, and implications thereof

18:02:27 asciilifeform: (before anyone asks, yes, must posit some exception for gametes)

18:03:31 asciilifeform: Creutzfeldt-Jakob << just don't feed the brains. problem solved.

18:04:19 BingoBoingo: Just in the context of the prion discussion, I'm imagining sufficiently advanced aliens to have had this problem before. They came here to steal our water, but can't because of fish piss. Just like the Mad Cow blood donor ban

18:10:23 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (before anyone asks, yes, must posit some exception for gametes) <<< wait wait lol.

18:10:31 mircea_popescu: positing doesn't just work like that.

18:11:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can make this go if you really want to.

18:11:11 mircea_popescu: orly ?

18:18:49 xanthyos: if someone's gpg key is on a computer that is being held captive by an angry muslim ex boyfriend and they make a new wot account and then later recover the old key, can the ratings of those two accounts be merged?

18:19:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00120273 = 1.2027 BTC [+] {2}

18:19:55 asciilifeform: xanthyos: say boyfriend did not use key. but gave a copy to the Khalif.

18:20:21 xanthyos: well he doesn't have the passphrase for it

18:20:31 xanthyos: but the security isn't my question

18:20:50 xanthyos: would all the people who gave rating have to be notified to rerate to the new account manually

18:21:03 xanthyos: i'm asking for bagels7

18:21:11 xanthyos: who is in a predicament.

18:21:33 nubbins`: s/notified/begged

18:21:40 nubbins`: sums up the situation more succinctly

18:21:55 xanthyos: well that's inconvenient

18:22:14 nubbins`: hey duod it's me, `xanthyos`, can you give me a re-rate bru? i lost my key lol

18:22:28 nubbins`: losing your key is, indeed, quite inconvenient.

18:22:31 xanthyos: well if it's someone i can authenticate as the same person

18:22:49 xanthyos: i'm saying if they later recovered the key

18:22:57 xanthyos: and proved they were the same person in that sense

18:23:10 asciilifeform: !s shall be delivered

18:23:11 assbot: 23 results for 'shall be delivered' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shall+be+delivered

18:23:16 xanthyos: so the ratings are all real

18:23:26 nubbins`: what are you even talking about

18:24:08 xanthyos: it's not a lost key it's a currently inaccessible key because it's behind a locked physical door

18:24:10 nubbins`: at least call these "hypothetical" people alice and bob so we can follow you

18:24:23 nubbins`: so your laptop is locked in someone's house

18:24:26 nubbins`: what's your question

18:24:33 xanthyos: alice's laptop is locked in bob's house

18:24:36 xanthyos: alice has ratings in the wot

18:25:01 xanthyos: can alice make wot account alice2 knowing that she'll get her alice1 account back eventually

18:25:35 asciilifeform: you and i shall be free to presume instead that alice is on a sea voyage, and alice2 is actuall nsa shill

18:25:38 xanthyos: and upon recovering alice1 prove that both are the same and merge their ratings

18:26:21 mike_c: what's the rush? if she'll get alice1 back, just wair.

18:26:25 mike_c: *wait

18:26:50 xanthyos: i can't go into that without giving explicit private information

18:27:20 mike_c: my $0.02 is I wouldn't re-rate without a good answer to that question.

18:27:23 xanthyos: in a public log

18:27:30 nubbins`: i also wouldn't re-rate

18:27:34 mike_c: where "good" really means.. i don't think there is a good reason.

18:27:54 mike_c: because when you start putting random qualifiers on good answers, you get scammed.

18:28:13 xanthyos: my question was only if there was a way to merge so rerating wouldn't be an issue if one could prove via gribble to simultaneously own two accounts

18:28:27 mike_c: that would be a bug, not a feature.

18:28:44 mike_c: someone can move my rating to a different account? that's silliness.

18:29:05 xanthyos: are you rating the account or the person?

18:29:08 kakobrekla: update the key in wot?

18:29:18 mike_c: the account is the person.

18:29:40 asciilifeform: are you rating the account or the person? << 'have sex - with humans; do business - with keys' (mircea)

18:29:40 xanthyos: i guess that protects people from making offensive name accounts and making it look like you endorse them

18:29:48 xanthyos: the concept of their name

18:29:53 xanthyos: use your imaginations

18:30:28 xanthyos: so then i guess just as ratings can't be moved accounts probably can't be renamed

18:32:09 mats_cd03: nope

18:32:24 *: nubbins` groans

18:32:32 nubbins`: ;;gettrust othernubs`

18:32:32 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user othernubs`: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=othernubs%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=othernubs%60 | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014

18:32:49 nubbins`: how is this not adequate

18:32:53 xanthyos: heh

18:33:00 xanthyos: yeah that's fine

18:33:15 xanthyos: finally a time when 10 trust makes sense

18:34:16 kakobrekla: i trust myself only with a 9

18:34:17 nubbins`: see the thing is, you want a message from alice saying "alice1 is my backup pgp key in case this one gets stolen"

18:34:23 xanthyos: it's like warp 10, trust 10 simultaneously occupies every place of faith in the universe

18:34:25 nubbins`: but you want it after alice has been stolen.

18:34:40 nubbins`: it's too late by that point

18:34:58 nubbins`: and if you'd done it before alice had been stolen, well, i suppose your alice1 woulda been stolen too, huh?

18:35:44 nubbins`: the key is to be able to demonstrably prove that you are who you say you are without use of a pgp key

18:35:49 nubbins`: not everyone can pull this off

18:36:15 xanthyos: what my "aura" isn't enough guys? clearly it's me.

18:36:31 nubbins`: clearly

18:37:23 asciilifeform: nubbins` << can, possibly, prove who you are (for some value of 'who'), but not that you owned the key

18:37:38 nubbins`: nod

18:37:55 nubbins`: that's an important distinction

18:38:00 xanthyos: wot accounts are people like corporations are people

18:40:11 kakobrekla: this raises a question, can schizophrenic even use pgp as intended?

18:40:39 xanthyos: no, that analogy falls apart in that corporate personhood removes accountability while wot accounthood demands it

18:41:00 xanthyos: oh intersting

18:41:04 xanthyos: interesting**

18:41:22 xanthyos: not schizophrenic but you mean dissociative personalities

18:41:27 nubbins`: kakobrekla runaway thoughts prevent one from using pgp? o.O

18:41:28 xanthyos: if it's a compartmentalized individual

18:41:43 kakobrekla: yeah sure, that

18:41:52 nubbins`: cold, plague, w/e

18:43:12 kakobrekla: dissociative personalities < in such setup, does one personality have access to others passwords?

18:43:31 xanthyos: hyde doesn't know jekyll's passphrase

18:46:19 xanthyos: although how much of keyboarding is conscious and how much is muscle memory? does the body remember the sequence of muscle contractions well enough for the passphrase to be typed without knowing it/

18:48:30 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/usms-auctioning-more-bitcoins/

18:48:30 assbot: USMS Auctioning More Bitcoins | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11e1Wtk )

18:50:35 nubbins`: ha

18:53:19 asciilifeform: usms << waterfall!

18:56:43 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

18:56:44 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.52, Best ask: 381.69, Bid-ask spread: 1.17000, Last trade: 381.7, 24 hour volume: 23277.77066544, 24 hour low: 375.0, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 396.595304938

18:57:56 kakobrekla: assbot now appends a hidemyass proxy link btw. use it for opening links from unknown people and qntra and trilema when down

18:59:40 mike_c: "The USMS will not release any information to the general public pertaining to the auction process or results."

18:59:48 mike_c: how is this legal?

18:59:54 kakobrekla: how is this new?

19:01:40 BingoBoingo: mike_c: "To enforce the law one must be above the reach of the law" is pretty much the US m.o. since... Nixon at least

19:02:07 gernika: Anyone have any references to the legal rationale for selling seized assets prior to a verdict and before the appeals process has completed?

19:02:17 mike_c: this guy has been pinging them once a month about his foia.. they went from stalling to ignoring. very gox of them. https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/usms-silk-road-bitcoin-auction-results-12405/

19:02:18 assbot: USMS Silk Road Bitcoin Auction Results | Muckrock ... ( http://bit.ly/11e44RU )

19:02:37 asciilifeform: the 'rationale' is - 'you are furniture'

19:05:27 xanthyos: 50k btc sold under mkt value with unreleased results is a good way to lay the groundwork for intentional price plummet

19:05:36 gernika: There must be some convoluted explanation as to why that's OK though

19:05:54 xanthyos: because they said so?

19:06:08 asciilifeform: xanthyos: http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez

19:06:10 assbot: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaJiDN )

19:10:27 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard You ask questions on twitter that have answers here

19:10:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:10:59 Pierre_Rochard: BingoBoingo: just trollin around haha

19:11:29 BingoBoingo: !s bitcoingirl

19:11:30 assbot: 216 results for 'bitcoingirl' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoingirl

19:11:50 BingoBoingo: ;;seen bitcoingirl

19:11:50 Pierre_Rochard: Person from Digital Currency Council sent me a message on linkedin telling me I should pay them for training

19:11:50 gribble: bitcoingirl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <bitcoingirl> the shavers case hasn't gone to trial yet

19:12:06 TheNewDeal: would love to see someone drop 50k or so bitcoin on an "exchange" prior to this auction

19:12:55 BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Tell then you know a guy, rates are more favorable. Say here's the contact info and just give them my GPG fingerprint

19:13:21 Pierre_Rochard: “I don't see you in the WoT: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php Do you have a nickname you're using?” <- my response

19:13:26 Pierre_Rochard: is bitcoingirl Lee Bard?

19:13:38 BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: bitcoingirl is Ms Boring

19:13:56 Pierre_Rochard: Ah, she’s dgitial chamber of commerce

19:14:14 BingoBoingo: Ah, there's so many of these DCC's now

19:14:21 Pierre_Rochard: digital currency council is another pretend thing, they want to be a professional organization

19:14:37 Pierre_Rochard: yeah, they got tired of bit that and coin this, it’s all digital currency now

19:15:01 Pierre_Rochard: that’s what passes for originality

19:15:43 asciilifeform: 'digital currencies' << a variant of the 'teach the controversy' propaganda technique discussed here earlier. create a category where there only exists a concrete.

19:15:56 asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy

19:15:56 assbot: 5 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=teaching+the+controversy

19:16:01 BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Well if you can figure out who they are feel free to submit a likbez to Qntra

19:16:09 thestringpuller: that mr. rochard, so hot righ tnow

19:16:29 asciilifeform: need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals'

19:16:54 thestringpuller: that's fucked up asciilifeform

19:17:04 asciilifeform: presto! turds are now 'a type of cylindrical' and by implication will stand in for sausage

19:17:14 thestringpuller: i've been terrified by that ever since I saw Soylent Green

19:18:32 Pierre_Rochard: haha, exactly. These people will tell you “well Ethereum and Ripple seem to be gaining traction, so Bitcon may not be ~the~ digital currency, we need to stay flexible”

19:18:33 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Don't worry. You don't need meat. Protein is fine, have Prion jerky!

19:20:40 jurov: <mircea_popescu> [20141117 16:05] you can wait few hours for mircea_popescu and ask him << how does jurov know!! << lol should i ask them outright to submit the buxom? i need the codes then :D

19:23:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand the subtle but important distinction. they will have you believe that it -is- meat.

19:24:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926251

19:24:19 assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:35:56; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence.

19:25:13 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ah.

19:25:39 BingoBoingo: I have to stumble through the variations of these forms

19:28:07 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/dB7lg3y.jpg

19:28:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11e7JPH )

19:28:57 nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals' <<< amazing

19:28:57 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:29:12 nubbins`: "in a chocolatey coating"

19:29:43 nubbins`: the y stands for sodium benzoate, vegetable oil, and a special evaporative process that removes all cocoa

19:29:58 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: That sets expectations for flavor. Just go with a "creamy" coating.

19:30:19 nubbins`: with a brown, easily meltable coating

19:30:27 nubbins`: wait now we're selling turds again

19:32:09 nubbins`: bbl buying ingredients for 김치 찌개

19:33:35 punkman: nubbins`: puffins, radio waves, wat?

19:34:37 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/K2pIfWL.jpg

19:34:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaSrfA )

19:37:02 asciilifeform: nubbins`: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/33346/33346-h/33346-h.htm << relevant

19:37:03 assbot: The Project Gutenberg eBook of How to tell the Birds from the Flowers and other Wood-cuts, by Robert Williams Wood. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaTcVI )

19:37:50 nubbins`: hah, awesome.

19:38:29 nubbins`: We recognize the Parrot by his clear articulation, For Carrots are unable to engage in conversation.

19:39:49 Pierre_Rochard: !s likbez

19:39:50 assbot: 12 results for 'likbez' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=likbez

19:40:42 mircea_popescu: <xanthyos> if someone's gpg key is on a computer that is being held captive by an angry muslim ex boyfriend and they make a new wot account and then later recover the old key, can the ratings of those two accounts be merged? << how would an observer distinguish this situation from "angry muslim ex boyfriend finally manages to break into gpg key on ex gf's computer he hedl" ?

19:41:42 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> how is this legal? << the law of "no way out"

19:43:02 mircea_popescu: Series A blocks consist of 2,000 coins and a deposit of $100,000 is required per bid entered on Series A. <<< 10%. ie, "MP was right".

19:43:44 mircea_popescu: Bids that are contingent on financing terms of any kind will not be considered.<< funny what the usg thinks of its own banking industry anyway :D

19:44:56 mircea_popescu: The United States Marshals Service reserves the right to sell some, all or none of the bitcoins for any reason. There is no disclosed reserve price for this auction.< << check the shit out. "secret reserve, will not announce winner".

19:45:41 mircea_popescu: chumpatronics at its finest, "we would like a list of rich people interested in bitcoin, mind sending us a signed form ?" / "hey, USMS can implement tardstalk scam actions too! We even hired Garr as an expert consultant"

19:48:33 BingoBoingo: Even has the name perversion thing going on too: Ebama/Thermos

19:49:11 TheNewDeal: Ollama

19:52:37 BingoBoingo: !up TheShrander

19:54:16 chetty: wyatt earp would be horrified

19:56:38 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/rick-snyder-announces-michigan-cyber-civilian-corps/

19:56:38 assbot: Rick Snyder Announces Michigan Cyber Civilian Corps | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11ebzrV )

19:57:45 thestringpuller: scoopbot doesn't got the scoop yet?

19:57:58 chetty: http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/272087/speedreads-manufacturers-warn-that-the-world-may-soon-run-out-of-chocolate

19:58:00 assbot: Manufacturers warn that the world may soon run out of chocolate - The Week ... ( http://bit.ly/11ebKDA )

19:58:57 BingoBoingo: ^ Blame Obola

20:18:44 adlai: mircea_popescu: sorry for vanishing, had to tend to some fires, and put out other ones

20:18:59 mircea_popescu: kik

20:19:09 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-united-states-scammers-service-formerly-marshalls-service/

20:19:10 assbot: The United States Scammers Service, Formerly Marshalls Service. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/11eescc )

20:19:55 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926544 << putting signatures in pastebin... I guess the known plaintext aspect can be circumvented by only including the signature data, rather than a whole --clearsign

20:19:55 assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 16:10:49; mircea_popescu: Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification << le explain ?

20:20:22 mircea_popescu: adlai suppose i download your pubkey and encrypt "adlai is a poopyhead" to it five billion times.

20:20:34 mircea_popescu: this, iyo, has put me epsilon closer towards obtaining your priv key ?

20:20:50 adlai: that's a little different from what gribble gpg auth does

20:20:59 mircea_popescu: explain ?

20:21:27 adlai: maybe I'm doing it wrong, but ";;auth adlai" gives me a challenge string, and I need to reply ";;verify http://pastebin.com/blabla" with a signature for the challenge string, using my wot key

20:21:28 assbot: Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1oY7ROh )

20:21:40 mircea_popescu: yeah, you are.

20:21:49 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;eauth mircea_popescu

20:21:49 mircea_popescu: <gribble> Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

20:21:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1oY7PG5 )

20:21:58 mircea_popescu: curl http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452|gpg

20:21:59 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1oY7SBR )

20:23:04 adlai: ok, I was using ;;auth

20:23:42 mircea_popescu: science progressed :)

20:25:49 adlai: it's still more convenient to use ;;bcauth :P

20:26:26 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski btw, next time someone goes on the "marketing Bitcoin" kick, you can always use http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/ : "Get lost and don?t come back until you can either think or do something useful. Contrary to what you might have self-aggrandizingly imagined, we don?t want you. Yo

20:26:27 assbot: The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1oY84AU )

20:26:27 gribble: Error: No closing quotation

20:26:27 mircea_popescu: u need us, of course, but that?s an entirely different discussion.". it's what it's for.

20:26:44 gernika: to answer my own question above, the value of the coins in USD will be retained in escrow until the outcome of the case is decided.

20:26:59 mircea_popescu: adlai "convenient"

20:27:57 mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard

20:28:15 adlai: convenience is king, the rest is bunk

20:28:46 mircea_popescu: your king is nude.

20:30:52 adlai: "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." - sammy C

20:39:21 mircea_popescu: adlai http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kim-kardashian-butt-papermag.jpg << tell it to her.

20:39:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11egWYk )

20:43:24 thestringpuller: Kim acts out because she'll be irrelevant when her youth is gone.

20:43:30 thestringpuller: Not everyone can be Betty White.

20:45:54 mircea_popescu: well, if "perfect butt, perfect shape" is your thing, then obviously it only lasts a little.

20:46:01 mircea_popescu: somehow people don't seem to say the same about athletes.

20:46:12 mircea_popescu: what the fuck do i care what maradona does after he's too old to play ?

20:46:38 punkman: I've heard the same about athletes, not uncommon

20:47:06 mircea_popescu: i'm certainly going to remember fuckable kim long after i forgot any and all sitcom writers for crying out loud.

20:48:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i trust myself only with a 9 << just as long as you find a kim to trust you with her 6.

20:49:41 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: this raises a question, can schizophrenic even use pgp as intended? <<< well if he has split personality, then they won't know about each other's keys.

20:50:43 adlai: pls

20:50:47 mircea_popescu: xanthyos: 50k btc sold under mkt value with unreleased results is a good way to lay the groundwork for intentional price plummet <<< if it had worked.

20:50:49 adlai: schizophrenia does not exist

20:51:26 adlai: it's a made up concept to lump together a bunch of conditions that psych(olog|iatr)ists have epsilon understanding of

20:51:28 mircea_popescu: do tell ?

20:51:31 mircea_popescu: hm.

20:51:48 mircea_popescu: there is something there tho.

20:51:52 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, sure.

20:51:57 adlai: there are several somethings

20:52:04 mircea_popescu: mayhap.

20:52:42 adlai: no, seriously. some big association of mental scientists (lol) recently admitted that they have nfc what schizophrenia actually is, and that they should probably drop the term and start analyzing the conditions it refers to from a blank page

20:54:04 mircea_popescu: adlai the derps in question make no difference. but, yeah, the problem has long stood.

20:54:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals' << not bad.

20:55:11 mircea_popescu: "beverage" comes to mind. because yeah, carbonated high fructose corn syrup needs a thing to be, like water and wine.

20:55:49 mircea_popescu: jurov: i need the codes then :D << you know i just use the webirc hostmask they come in with right ?

20:56:02 adlai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Schizophrenia_spectrum_and_other_psychotic_disorders << ok, they didn't officially delete it, but have been revising the definition to the point where it's about as precise as "batshit fucking crazy"

20:56:05 assbot: DSM-5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1oY9RWM )

20:56:37 kakobrekla: "they didn't officially delete it" < lol

20:56:53 mircea_popescu: the dsm has nothing to do with psychology.

20:57:12 mircea_popescu: it's an acceptable if overvoluminous textbook for treating broken bones.

20:57:16 TheNewDeal: it's a nice meta piece on psychologists

20:57:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 2600 @ 0.0012 = 3.12 BTC

20:57:45 mircea_popescu: lol

20:57:49 adlai: it gives you a resolution bound for the precision of mental disorder diagnosis

20:58:02 mircea_popescu: and now, off to play aurum blade, because i am getting retarded in my old age.

20:58:30 mircea_popescu: (but seriously, if you, like me are a fan of the old amiga stuff, with HARD mobs and tough as nail bosses etc ? try it.)

20:59:05 adlai: you're not retarted, you're centenariophrenic

21:01:27 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

21:01:28 gribble: 292934223.302

21:03:09 adlai: "... Now we should call them economical numbers"

21:03:51 thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo

21:03:51 gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> ^ Blame Obola

21:04:13 adlai: did bingo died of obbola?

21:04:30 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you ever play dark souls?

21:09:00 cazalla: seems BingoBoingo has been busy this morning and scooped me on the news before i was even awake

21:21:39 thestringpuller: cazalla: now for round two

21:21:59 cazalla: thestringpuller, need a few cuppas first

21:26:37 kakobrekla: http://blog.snapchat.com/post/102895720555/introducing-snapcash

21:26:38 assbot: Snapchat - Introducing Snapcash ... ( http://bit.ly/11wnHW6 )

21:33:59 TheNewDeal: From the article "We set out to make payments faster and more fun!!!"

21:34:47 dignork: "For now, Snapcash is available to Snapchatters in the United States who have a debit card and are 18 or older." << there is such a thing?

21:37:32 undata: the hipsters all use snapchat to send each other dick pics

21:38:57 thestringpuller: here's a dick pick + some dollars

21:39:13 thestringpuller: also aren't hipsters poor?

21:39:36 dignork: or dick pics for dollar, might work too

21:40:38 thestringpuller: tits 4 snapcash!!!

21:40:49 dignork: and a DRM solution, to protect the assets.

21:41:11 thestringpuller: well snapchat deletes your photo after its viewed doncha know***

21:41:47 undata: suddenly the use case becomes clear.

21:42:22 dignork: that's very weak DRM, better would be scrambling signal to be decoded on google glasses, surgically embedded into user scalp.

21:59:33 mircea_popescu: everything totally gotta be "fun"

22:04:42 mircea_popescu: ?I guess you will have to go to jail. If that is the result of not understanding the Income Tax Law, I will meet you there. We shall have a merry, merry time, for all our friends will be there. It will be an intellectual center, for no one understands the Income Tax Law except persons who have not sufficient intelligence to understand the questions that arise under it.?

22:04:44 mircea_popescu: guess the yea.

22:04:44 asciilifeform: drm glasses << http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752 (scroll down to story)

22:04:46 assbot: Loper OS » For Your Eyes Only ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9cb16 )

22:04:47 mircea_popescu: year*

22:10:25 mircea_popescu: ?The welfare state reduces a citizen to a client, subordinates them to a bureaucrat, and subjects them to rules that are anti- work, anti-family, anti-opportunity and anti-property... Humans forced to suffer under such anti-human rules naturally develop pathologies. The evening news is the natural result of the welfare state.?

22:10:31 mircea_popescu: im well persuaded by this, incidentally.

22:10:50 mircea_popescu: curious that the "advanced northern europe" isn't coming out with "brevik is pretty much our greatest achievement",

22:11:06 mircea_popescu: at least the us has the decency to worship its degenerates.

22:11:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu reading herr kokkarinen ?

22:12:15 mircea_popescu: this came off http://jim.com/liberquo.htm

22:12:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1t5oyCO )

22:12:56 mircea_popescu: ?The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.? lol

22:14:19 cazalla: you know, with the new pokemon game coming out in a few days time, idea of a bitcoin pokemon market would be great, could even have gpg pokemon contracts

22:14:38 mircea_popescu: you'll have to explain this like we've never been five

22:14:58 mircea_popescu: my idea of a pokemon is roughly speaking a beanie baby. what's to gpg there ?

22:19:33 cazalla: for trading pokemon, you know, so i can point and say hey, you said you would deliver pokemon xyz and you decided to back out at the last minute, don't trade with this guy

22:20:23 mircea_popescu: oh they're like playing cards ?

22:20:26 TheNewDeal: pokemon was also a card game back in the day, like Magic. Not sure if he's talking about software game

22:20:51 mircea_popescu: i suppose someone who knows about trading cards could re-make mtgox.

22:21:00 danielpbarron: it was a gameboy game first; you could trade via the connection cable

22:21:07 cazalla: mircea_popescu, never played pokemon? so you catch them as you would say find an item in an mmorpg, you train em, level em up, you can trade them as you would an item in an mmorpg to other players

22:21:19 mircea_popescu: aha

22:21:26 mircea_popescu: no, i never played such a thing.

22:21:31 cazalla: i doubt there is any demand for it but i would buy a desired pokemon for btc

22:21:45 mircea_popescu: what pokemon would you buy ?!

22:22:04 danielpbarron: the rare mewtwo with alt colorz!

22:22:12 cazalla: a shiny of course

22:23:09 cazalla: i am partial to the original 150

22:23:52 cazalla: i wonder if nintendo capitulated and will allow 2 male pokemon to make a baby pokemon

22:23:53 danielpbarron: the amount of "work" that goes into finding a shiny would put it in the 1 to 10 BTC range

22:24:53 mircea_popescu: o.O

22:25:43 mircea_popescu: all these fucktarded nsa "codewords". it would not surprise me if the central nodes in the administration of all this perpetually overbudget, perpetually mismanaged nonsense are desocialised to the point they can no longer interact with people in a shop or bar or w/e

22:26:25 mircea_popescu: exactly like star trek ninnies, speaking a wholly unintelligible pigdin and laughing out of the blue for nutty reasons.

22:26:48 TheNewDeal: like Clockwork Orange?

22:26:59 mircea_popescu: pressure tube metrogripe toyfucks ?

22:27:12 mircea_popescu: keycard fashioncleft!

22:27:43 danielpbarron: like the yale-tards i overheard at louis lunch the other day? like it was their first time interacting with people outside of acedemia?

22:28:00 mircea_popescu: something like that.

22:33:06 punkman: http://www.augur.net/

22:33:07 assbot: Augur Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9jJRs )

22:33:21 cazalla: mebe you nintendo could even use blockchain technology to timestamp when you found a pokemon so no-one can sell you dupes

22:34:36 cazalla: could call it.. the brockchain

22:35:32 punkman: NintendoCoin obvs

22:41:30 punkman: "The FreeBSD Foundation is pleased to announce it has received a $1,000,000 donation from Jan Koum, CEO and Co-Founder of WhatsApp. This marks the largest single donation to the Foundation since its inception almost 15 years ago"

22:49:02 punkman: http://blockstream.com/2014/11/17/blockstream-closes-21m-seed-round/

22:49:03 assbot: Blockstream closes $21M seed round | Blockstream ... ( http://bit.ly/1qgDQdi )

22:49:44 punkman: gmaxwell's thing

22:52:17 punkman: "The reason we were able to attract A-list investors is our group of founders and the promise of blockchain technology."

22:53:51 punkman: http://blockstream.com/wp-content/themes/blockstream/assets/images/D5.png

22:53:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJwDCm )

22:54:22 mats_cd03: what a nice picture

22:54:37 asciilifeform: blockstream << archetypical shitgnome circus

22:56:12 mats_cd03: this is the impression i'm getting, too.

22:57:11 asciilifeform: funny how one can almost 'smell' these, without any need for detailed study

22:57:19 thestringpuller: cazalla: a pokemon exchange?!? lol. i think I may be the only one in this channel who plays pokemon.

22:58:48 nubbins`: no doubt

22:59:17 mircea_popescu: <cazalla> could call it.. the brockchain <<< lale

23:00:00 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: blockstream << lol i look at the founders page and of course gmaxwell is on it

23:00:35 asciilifeform: i propose that pseudo-bitcoin scamatrons be known as 'mockchains'

23:00:45 nubbins`: heh

23:00:50 thestringpuller: its funny to see who is employing these "core developers"

23:01:25 thestringpuller: its like "the only thing I can do is work for cash burning start up or suck dick"

23:02:07 punkman: hey 20 million bezzlars, that's gotta last them at least a year

23:02:59 thestringpuller: so they run out of money not finding useful stuff to do and ask for more. so does this make all the core developers essentially beggars?

23:04:16 nubbins`: a beggar is not one who accepts money but one who begs for it

23:04:31 nubbins`: asciilifeform re: that book you posted earlier

23:04:36 nubbins`: they match puffin with "nuffin"

23:04:53 nubbins`: and leave a blank space in lieu of a picture 8)

23:06:00 mircea_popescu: punkbot these deals always depend on how much they actually get.

23:07:36 asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://www.loper-os.org/pub/debug.log.gz << barf log from one of my runs.

23:07:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJyYNx )

23:07:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:17:39 nubbins`: downloading blockchain, take three. go!

23:17:48 mircea_popescu: gl!

23:18:20 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinvault-decrypt-one-file-for-free-send-bitcoin-to-decrypt-the-rest/

23:18:20 assbot: CoinVault: Decrypt One File For Free, Send Bitcoin To Decrypt The Rest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11wH1T4 )

23:19:39 nubbins`: thinking about making a pgp infographic-type poster

23:19:46 nubbins`: gotta find a neat angle on it tho

23:19:47 cazalla: asciilifeform: i propose that pseudo-bitcoin scamatrons be known as 'mockchains' <<< why you gotta try oneup my brockchain :(

23:20:48 danielpbarron: you could stream pokemon trades through ashbot

23:21:22 nubbins`: haha

23:21:56 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Izm1LQfw4

23:21:57 assbot: Pikachu on Acid - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJBCTs )

23:49:33 mircea_popescu: actually, someone should make a backup service, exactly identical to tarsnap except it only accepts material gpg-encrypted to your key.

23:51:52 thestringpuller: what is the speed like on encrypting large files?

23:52:04 thestringpuller: with gpg*

23:53:01 thestringpuller: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/56167/why-is-gpg-file-encryption-so-much-slower-than-other-aes-implementations << says GPG encrypts at 115 mb/s on an i7 2.7 ghz

23:53:27 mircea_popescu: on the current, symetric cypher based process, not bad. to the tune gbps depending on your system specs

23:54:59 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller note that the question is leading. sure, "aes optimised" hardware may deliver better performance, at an unknown cost to security.

23:55:42 thestringpuller: i guess maybe that is first test I will run on cardano: get arbritarily large file and find rate at which it decrypts/encrypts

23:55:46 thestringpuller: serve as good baseline methinks

23:57:15 mircea_popescu: cardano storage isn't very large.

23:57:25 mircea_popescu: so timing it won't be trivial.

23:59:50 mircea_popescu: ?The legacy of Democrats and Republicans approaches: Libertarianism by bankruptcy.?

23:59:50 mircea_popescu: Nick Nuessle, 1992