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00:03:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00043498 = 15.0938 BTC [+] {2}

00:06:14 jurov: or it will thrash to oblivion... better with no swap - OOM killer comes quickly

00:08:35 Adlai: the vast majority of the data in memory is hardly ever touched and belongs in some less volatile storage

00:14:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00042509 = 6.4401 BTC [-]

00:17:31 Adlai: ahahahaha pete_dushenski thank you for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-W1weeK2UA#t=242 this is just what i needed before sleep

00:17:33 assbot: Dogeparty 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACeJX7 )

00:17:52 pete_dushenski: lol my pleasure

00:18:10 pete_dushenski: that video made me laugh for a good few minutes

00:18:54 mircea_popescu: ahaha ofmg

00:19:54 Adlai: "like LEIKA?"

00:20:01 Adlai: is where i died

00:20:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25009 @ 0.00043857 = 10.9682 BTC [+]

00:20:28 Adlai: incidentally, she did to, as will the doge

00:21:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6862 @ 0.00043903 = 3.0126 BTC [+]

00:22:35 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/02/cavirtex-shutting-down-withdrawals-temporarily-disabled/

00:22:36 assbot: CAVIRTEX Shutting Down Withdrawals "Temporarily Disabled" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACfQpG )

00:23:07 mircea_popescu: will ?

00:23:08 mircea_popescu: lolk

00:23:39 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/02/cavirtex-shutting-down-withdrawals-temporarily-disabled/

00:24:31 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic << Interested in producing a likbez for qntra on this sort of disinformation, in this case specifically?

00:25:05 mike_c: nanotube: here's the weirdness:

00:25:16 mike_c: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=chashew

00:25:17 assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACgqUs )

00:25:24 mike_c: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=bolzer

00:25:25 assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACgumX )

00:25:28 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo nice :D

00:25:37 mike_c: note they have same fingerprint, but with chashew the keyid and fingerprint don't match

00:26:18 mike_c: and that's simply the first one i noticed, i didn't continue to find others

00:28:27 nanotube: mike_c: yep, got it. thanks :)

00:29:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00042483 = 16.356 BTC [-] {2}

00:34:17 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/

00:36:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18771 @ 0.00043328 = 8.1331 BTC [+]

00:42:52 ben_vulpes: re: cavirtex hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

00:42:55 ben_vulpes: fuck joseph david.

00:59:25 cazalla: i actually saw this the other day https://twitter.com/CAVIRTEX/status/567328589993897984 but let it slide as the website said something a little different (BTC and LTC wallets have been disabled due to a known issue. All customer funds are safe. Please be patient while we address the issue.)and i figured it would turn out as a nothing, way to be wrong eh

00:59:27 assbot: BTC and LTC deposits & withdrawals are temporarily disabled while we investigate suspicious activity. All client funds are safe and secure.

01:00:09 cazalla: well yesterday even

01:00:11 ben_vulpes: safe and secure in the ca government's hands.

01:11:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can you elaborate specifically what part of it all you suppose merits a whole article ?

01:12:41 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The part where other outlets sucked at covering it.

01:12:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: an article about how 500 other articles sucked donkey balls ?

01:13:06 asciilifeform: that doesn't sound very interesting

01:13:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Basically. Your shiva hands are full though. In understand if this is a least interesting problem you could fill them with.

01:13:45 asciilifeform: but there are thing that ought to be said

01:13:55 asciilifeform: gimme a cheat sheet on how to format

01:14:02 asciilifeform: need to include a photograph or two

01:15:45 BingoBoingo: just like pete did is fine https://dpaste.de/TXNN/raw emailing photos is is prolly the best way to get them in. emailing text works too.

01:15:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvE5cb )

01:17:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11017 @ 0.00043778 = 4.823 BTC [+] {2}

01:18:06 cazalla: google still picks up dpaste, would be better to use email or at least something google cannot scrape before it gets on qntra

01:18:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44783 @ 0.00043963 = 19.688 BTC [+] {2}

01:18:34 asciilifeform: to whose key should send ?

01:18:58 cazalla: either or

01:23:32 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pls GPG the paste site submissions

01:23:32 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:29:52 BingoBoingo: 512 days of history left for 0.7.2 "Why the fuck" edition to sync

01:35:15 cazalla: perhaps it is coincidence but since 0.10 core came out, my active connections are up to 60-80 and upload has almost doubled

01:35:22 cazalla: i am not running 0.10 mind you

01:42:11 danielpbarron: i haven't seen any blocks mined with this new version in a while

01:49:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00042454 = 11.5475 BTC [-]

01:51:25 thestringpuller: my client limits connections to 8 lol

01:51:33 thestringpuller: don't want all those filthy people connected to me

02:16:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19858 @ 0.00042454 = 8.4305 BTC [-]

02:18:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36814 @ 0.00041964 = 15.4486 BTC [-]

02:24:16 cazalla: i

02:24:56 cazalla: i'm cleaning up and what do i see.. a spider, but one i've never seen before http://i.imgur.com/5Es7jlg.jpg

02:24:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19uu0NE )

02:26:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00044019 = 21.2172 BTC [+]

02:29:02 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Is it dead yet?

02:29:58 cazalla: not yet and provided he keeps his distance, i won't do him in

02:31:13 BingoBoingo: Gotta assume he is more poinsonous than normal

02:32:45 cazalla: i think he is this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinopis_subrufa

02:32:46 assbot: Deinopis subrufa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/19uvuas )

02:33:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56817 @ 0.00044046 = 25.0256 BTC [+] {2}

02:35:34 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Note it is native to Australia. Explicitly mentioning it being poisonous would be redundant

02:35:38 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/joe-stack-1956-2010/

02:35:49 asciilifeform: can someone dredge up mircea_popescu's old article which mentioned the imperative to use nonstandard computing arrangements to frustrate 'one size fits all' usg idiocies ?

02:35:59 asciilifeform: specifically this concept, as a paragraph or two

02:36:21 cazalla: BingoBoingo, he's not poisonous, at least not to me

02:37:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The paragraph under this roman numberal? http://fraudsters.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/#identifier_6_49997

02:37:57 assbot: How to airgap. A practical guide. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19uwqM9 )

02:38:19 asciilifeform: no.

02:39:41 BingoBoingo: hmm

02:41:24 BingoBoingo: What about http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-finfisherfinspy-story-for-posterity/

02:41:24 assbot: The FinFisher/FinSpy story, for posterity. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19uwZFR )

02:42:24 BingoBoingo: Or http://fraudsters.com/2014/strategic-thinking-as-an-exercise/

02:42:25 assbot: Strategic thinking as an exercise pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19ux4cp )

02:43:24 asciilifeform: thx

02:43:27 asciilifeform: that last one's it.

02:43:43 BingoBoingo: k

02:54:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00044273 = 21.2732 BTC [-]

02:58:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00041939 = 13.4624 BTC [-] {2}

03:08:37 thestringpuller: cazalla: http://www.statisticbrain.com/startup-failure-by-industry/ << interesting re: crunchbase thingie discussed last night

03:08:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00044273 = 10.8469 BTC [+]

03:10:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00044458 = 16.6718 BTC [+]

03:12:30 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/vermont-bitcoin-atm-cease-and-desist-requested/

03:17:12 danielpbarron: "with additional fines possible prison time" s/fines possible/fines and possible/c

03:17:38 mike_c: cazalla: is pete's article out of date? cavirtex is closing, no temporary about it

03:18:11 mike_c: oh, confusing. maybe just change the title?

03:18:18 mike_c: the body says it is closing for good

03:18:33 cazalla: just needs a comma, i'll fix

03:18:39 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: fxd

03:18:50 mike_c: ohhh, i get it. time for bed i think.

03:19:28 mike_c: yeah, comma helps. thanks.

03:27:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11231 @ 0.00044458 = 4.9931 BTC [+]

03:28:20 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/silk-road-meth-dealer-pleads-guilty/

03:29:39 cazalla: thestringpuller, i thought failure rate due to fraud would be hi gher

03:30:17 thestringpuller: for what?

03:30:20 thestringpuller: oh

03:30:25 thestringpuller: that thing I posted

03:30:26 thestringpuller: yea

03:42:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: am i to use your original wot key ?

03:42:52 asciilifeform: or what

03:43:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: WoT key works

04:01:33 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

04:01:38 gribble: Current Blocks: 343987 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 748 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45992117595.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.45673

04:03:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/114FS2Z.txt

04:03:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CGUYZl )

04:03:49 asciilifeform: plz confirm

04:05:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00043767 = 2.6698 BTC [-]

04:06:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: paste checksum of plaintext when you get it

04:11:59 BingoBoingo: 7b0e48befe8051bdeb8a31272abb1b9067928e4a237110105897334a08b02fd197b47a52a3eb4bb508a2983b75e0457f059c85aff0f8aea9a161cb83fee14e31 << FOr plaintext saved as name "test.txt"

04:12:21 asciilifeform: ok

04:12:35 asciilifeform: it'll need a bit of formatting work

04:12:45 asciilifeform: (there are links to linkify and images to imagify)

04:12:52 asciilifeform: but otherwise ready to roll, imho.

04:13:05 BingoBoingo: Cool, I'll get to assembling the package

04:13:11 asciilifeform: neato.

04:14:06 mike_c: ascii's qntra debut?

04:14:22 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Nah he has an earlier likbez

04:14:30 BingoBoingo: ;;google buterin's waterfall

04:14:31 gribble: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | Qntra.net: http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/; Buterin's Waterfall. : Bitcoin - Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ljrdi/buterins_waterfall; [Documentary Interview] Vitalik Buterin - Bitcoin Is A Transition ...: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mge5h/documentary_interview_vitalik_buterin_bitcoin_is/

04:14:38 mike_c: oh yeah. of course.

04:25:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: please make sure the fragile externally linked stuff (marked) is mirrored

04:26:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Working on that with cazalla

04:26:40 asciilifeform: aha

04:26:43 decimation: asciilifeform: I was thinking about a 'home chip fab'

04:26:51 decimation: obviously modern lithography ain't gonna work

04:27:00 decimation: not to mention the provision of masks, etc

04:27:18 asciilifeform: the need for a steerable beam process is pretty clear

04:27:57 decimation: the beam would spray 'dope' in the appropriate spots?

04:28:11 asciilifeform: that'd be the extant 'ion beam workstation'

04:28:16 asciilifeform: not useful for our purposes

04:28:39 asciilifeform: as it demands high vacuum, among other finicky and expensive things

04:28:53 decimation: what if an actual fab created a grid of transistors, and a home laser could 'blow' the appropriate areas for the wanted logic

04:29:00 asciilifeform: this exists

04:29:06 asciilifeform: called antifuse fpga

04:29:16 asciilifeform: sucks for exactly the same reasons as ordinary fpga

04:29:18 asciilifeform: but sucks even harder

04:29:23 decimation: I'm sure it does

04:29:28 decimation: but we are talking chip printing

04:29:34 asciilifeform: that isn't chip printing

04:29:40 asciilifeform: that's existing idiocy.

04:29:48 asciilifeform: anyone who wants - open catalogue, buy right now.

04:30:06 decimation: I guess my point is that it seems to be science fiction to me

04:30:07 asciilifeform: welcome to propagation delays 100s of mSec long. and idiot proprietary toolchains

04:30:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198233 @ 0.00044605 = 88.4218 BTC [+] {5}

04:30:17 asciilifeform: decimation: thus far, it is.

04:30:29 asciilifeform: no one has yet suggested a practical means of doing it.

04:30:32 asciilifeform: that i know of.

04:31:00 asciilifeform: the only thing that seems certain imho is that starting from existing concept of ic fab is a dead end

04:31:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24267 @ 0.00044887 = 10.8927 BTC [+]

04:31:18 decimation: that I agree with

04:31:18 asciilifeform: probably needs entirely new chemistry.

04:31:33 decimation: I don't see how one could 'shrink' a fab into anything smaller than it is (as it currently exists)

04:31:51 asciilifeform: that's the wrong thought.

04:32:00 asciilifeform: we don't necessarily need to 'shrink the classical fab'

04:32:27 asciilifeform: but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities without resort to a $1B factory.

04:32:30 decimation: the alternative would be to have some kind of technology that would enable the precise manipulation of atoms at scale

04:32:53 asciilifeform: good thermodynamic reasons to conclude that it is not doable in the general case

04:32:58 asciilifeform: (resolves to 'maxwell's daemon')

04:34:01 decimation: then again, I can envision a tradition fab becoming cheaper

04:34:15 asciilifeform: as i pointed out earlier,

04:34:27 asciilifeform: none of the items that comprise most of the expense have changed since day one.

04:34:34 decimation: no

04:34:44 decimation: they get more expensive, depending on your inflation factor

04:34:48 asciilifeform: aha.

04:35:01 decimation: high power euv light source isn't cheap

04:35:03 asciilifeform: high vacuum, for instance, is still achieved in much the same ways as in 1930s

04:35:15 asciilifeform: the energy required to melt Si is ever the same

04:35:24 asciilifeform: (but costlier, as decimation points out, with inflation)

04:35:25 asciilifeform: etc.

04:35:31 decimation: there have been incremental improvements

04:35:38 decimation: but not the orders of magnitude needed

04:35:42 asciilifeform: aha.

04:36:00 asciilifeform: nothing that threatens to put it in your friendly local illegal machine shop, much less your kitchen.

04:36:27 decimation: no, that would require a 'cheapening factor' of around 10000

04:36:35 *: asciilifeform for one would rather not have HF in his kitchen

04:36:40 decimation: lol

04:36:47 decimation: it's good fer ur bones

04:37:53 decimation: asciilifeform: that was a neat link about ada

04:38:03 decimation: I wasn't aware that it was still going strong in non-defense areas

04:38:41 asciilifeform: i've learned that there is not actually a good substitute for ada, as of yet.

04:38:52 asciilifeform: as in, something that actually provides the same functionality

04:39:06 asciilifeform: without the 'bondage & discipline' stylistic aspects

04:39:23 decimation: the trouble is that it seems the real toolchains used by these projects are all $$$ commercial

04:39:28 asciilifeform: nope.

04:39:42 asciilifeform: gnat is both widely used and gpl

04:40:04 asciilifeform: (one of the conditions for the ancient usg mandate establishing ada 'foundation' is that the product must be gpl'ed)

04:40:07 decimation: I guess the difference is the 'usg certificate'

04:40:18 asciilifeform: the certificate has nothing to do with ada per se

04:40:21 []bot: Bet created: "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/

04:40:22 asciilifeform: and is a separate racket

04:40:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.0004491 = 21.5119 BTC [+] {2}

04:40:26 asciilifeform: for which the chumps, yes, pay

04:40:29 decimation: no it's the real time os I think

04:40:49 asciilifeform: at any rate, all of the 'standard library' is public

04:40:55 asciilifeform: and (iirc) lgpl

04:41:16 asciilifeform: there are proprietary ada systems, yes. i have not been able to learn who uses them, and for what.

04:42:00 asciilifeform: but this being one of the only two programming languages in existence which are -standardized in their entirety-, in principle there is no reason - aside from retardation - to use a proprietary ada

04:42:17 asciilifeform: - actually - i can think of one

04:42:33 asciilifeform: gnat/gcc lacks support for some of the more exotic chips used

04:42:45 asciilifeform: 'MIL-STD-1750A' etc.

04:42:56 asciilifeform: ^ yes - actual cpu!

04:43:12 decimation: http://archive.adaic.com/projects/atwork/boeing.html << "For these projects, Honeywell purchased DDC-I, Inc.'s Ada Compiler System, using it as the front-end source for Honeywell's symbolic debugger. "

04:43:14 assbot: The Boeing 777 Flies on 99.9% Ada ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQmXtd )

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04:44:40 decimation: asciilifeform: you can probably get access to mil-std's

04:45:52 asciilifeform: considering that the sole remaining makers of the product described in that one are chinese...

04:45:55 asciilifeform: not so hard

04:46:12 asciilifeform: at any rate, all of the ada-related material is thoroughly public

04:47:05 asciilifeform: and guess which are the only two programming languages to have 'rationale manuals' for every aspect of the language ?

04:47:20 asciilifeform: i can sorta see why naggum went in for ada

04:47:21 decimation: "23-Jan-2015 MILITARY STANDARD Sixteen-Bit Computer Instruction Set ArchitectureMIL-STD-1750A, dated 12-Apr-2010, remains inactive for newdesign; however, the document is valid for use."

04:47:30 asciilifeform: it's a kind of 'polar opposite' of common lisp..

04:47:54 decimation: wouldn't you put it in the 'algol' family?

04:48:04 asciilifeform: decimation: that's traditional notation for a standard that no longer has a working group but has not been retracted

04:48:18 asciilifeform: decimation: definitely. more specifically, pascal-likes.

04:48:40 asciilifeform: (ada is quite like a more 'fascist' incarnation of pascal)

04:49:43 asciilifeform: phun phact:

04:50:01 asciilifeform: quite a few usg-sponsored war projects are still -struggling to modernize to ada-

04:50:21 asciilifeform: and making use of 1970s-era monstrosities (e.g., 'JOVIAL')

04:50:21 decimation: heh yeah

04:50:39 decimation: another example is the 'next gen' faa routing system

04:52:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/

04:52:16 assbot: Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQov6k )

04:52:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: image blows up

04:52:41 asciilifeform: size it down to 640x480 perhaps

04:52:47 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/

04:53:16 thestringpuller: oh nice article asciilifeform

04:55:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: / .. / - italics

04:55:17 decimation: asciilifeform: I once visited an faa 'en-route' center when I was a youth

04:55:22 *: asciilifeform thought that this was well-established

04:55:31 decimation: back then they were using ancient mainframes that were pitiful in their capabilities

04:56:24 decimation: http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A19970498000

04:56:25 assbot: Control Panel, Air Traffic Control Computer, IBM 9020 | National Air and Space Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQp4xc )

04:59:43 BingoBoingo: fx's applied

04:59:54 decimation: yeah the ibm 9020 was programmed in JOVIAL

05:00:15 decimation: apparently the 'new' system is a complete rewrite in ada

05:00:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: neato! ty

05:00:41 BingoBoingo: You are very welcome and thank you.

05:00:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one left in footnote 2

05:00:54 asciilifeform: other than that, looks perfect

05:01:30 BingoBoingo: fixed

05:01:32 asciilifeform: was a bit of a hurried job on my part, BingoBoingo asked for a likbez, and,

05:01:39 *: asciilifeform knew he would not have time to write later this week

05:01:42 asciilifeform: and hence this.

05:02:30 asciilifeform: decimation: i can't help but wonder if somewhere, in a damp cellar, a kid is studying 'JOVIAL'

05:02:38 asciilifeform: thinking 'now i'll find work'

05:02:55 decimation: well, it would have been a paying gig for 40 years now

05:03:03 asciilifeform: for the 'old boys'

05:03:22 decimation: 'the old boys' are retiring

05:03:36 asciilifeform: so are, one might note, their machines.

05:04:01 decimation: indeed, the problem with the machines isn't that they are broken

05:04:13 decimation: it's that no one knows how they work exactly

05:04:30 decimation: 'no one' in the sense of anyone employed directly be usg

05:11:55 decimation: https://recode.net/2015/02/15/white-house-red-chair-obama-meets-swisher/

05:11:56 assbot: President Barack Obama Speaks with Kara Swisher (Full Transcript) | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQrRWV )

05:12:27 decimation: "Let’s talk about encryption. What’s wrong with what Google and Apple are doing? You have encrypted email — shouldn’t everybody have encrypted email, or have their protections? Everybody should. And I’m a strong believer in strong encryption."

05:14:15 decimation: "I’m as strong as I have been. I think the only concern is our law enforcement is expected to stop every plot. Every attack. Any bomb on a plane. The first time that attack takes place in which it turns out that we had a lead and we couldn’t follow up on it, the public’s going to demand answers." < 'leadership' at its finest

05:14:25 asciilifeform: bureaucrats, snore.

05:14:56 decimation: "So there’s no scenario in which we don’t want really strong encryption. The narrow question is going to be if there is a proper request for … this isn’t bulk collection, this isn’t sort of fishing expeditions by government."

05:15:11 decimation: we want strong encryption that can be compromised

05:15:25 decimation: now that's something I can stand for!

05:16:50 decimation: "And you’re still with the BlackBerry, right?

05:16:51 decimation: I use a BlackBerry mainly because I’m so restricted in what I can do that it’s basically just messages, and it’s still easier for me to tap off the [BlackBerry]. But basically most of my non-work-related stuff, I’m working off the iPad."

05:16:59 decimation: What non-work-related stuff does Obama 'do'?

05:17:05 decimation: like, playing angry birds?

05:17:09 asciilifeform: tetris ?

05:17:34 decimation: maybe he plays 'risk' against putin

05:17:41 decimation: "Ukraine is weak!"

05:19:18 decimation: asciilifeform: did you know that the latest C++ standard includes a lame implementation of 'lambda'?

05:19:24 asciilifeform: aha

05:19:44 decimation: I was reading a newer C++ text today and laughed when I saw it

05:19:51 asciilifeform: !s sword hilts

05:19:52 assbot: 0 results for 'sword hilts' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sword+hilts

05:19:56 asciilifeform: !s sword hilt

05:19:57 assbot: 2 results for 'sword hilt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sword+hilt

05:20:00 asciilifeform: here we go

05:20:00 decimation: aye

05:21:52 decimation: maybe the next version will include an ascii-art image of dr. mccarthy

05:26:11 mod6: well look at that: http://dpaste.com/1Y82G5E

05:26:12 assbot: dpaste: 1Y82G5E ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQulEO )

05:26:13 mod6: it works!

05:26:19 *: mod6 pulls blocks

05:26:36 mod6: already have 11k and counting

05:26:40 asciilifeform: weight ?

05:26:43 mod6: 22mb

05:26:50 asciilifeform: cpu ?

05:27:04 asciilifeform: and is 22mb the stripped elf ?

05:27:26 mod6: ah, no that's not stripped.

05:27:33 asciilifeform: strip plz

05:27:42 asciilifeform: i'm assuming x86 ?

05:27:48 mod6: the last 3 commands of that build script never seem to run for some reason

05:27:53 mod6: yeah x86_64

05:27:58 asciilifeform: aha

05:29:08 mod6: lemme stop and strip and re-report, but here: http://dpaste.com/3HEJS6G

05:29:09 assbot: dpaste: 3HEJS6G ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH82Ov )

05:30:43 mod6: ok here we go: http://dpaste.com/0RQ3Q8K

05:30:44 assbot: dpaste: 0RQ3Q8K ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH8goI )

05:31:01 asciilifeform: 5.8M << neato

05:31:27 mod6: yeah :]

05:33:44 asciilifeform: unrelated, http://www.delcoremyhistory.com/Products/missilebattery.htm << how to build battery with 'infinite' shelf life? here's one way

05:33:45 assbot: Delco Remy Division - Product History - Missile Battery ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH8FHI )

05:35:02 decimation: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11291495/UK-flights-chaos-Air-traffic-control-computers-using-software-from-the-1960s.html < " Prof Thomas said the NAS system was written using a now defunct computer language called Jovial, meaning Nats has to train programmers in Jovial just to maintain the antiquated software. "

05:35:04 assbot: UK flights chaos: Air traffic control computers using software from the 1960s - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH8RH5 )

05:35:12 mod6: im already at 100k blocks.

05:36:18 decimation: asciilifeform: I like how the internal schematic is etched on the device

05:37:12 asciilifeform: i find it peculiar that only one such battery appears to have been mounted

05:37:41 asciilifeform: (one might imagine a museum exhibit could have been 'censored' but there is no obvious place in the guidance barrel for a second)

05:38:29 decimation: well, maybe that's why there are two 'squibs' to release the electrolyte?

05:38:34 asciilifeform: sure

05:38:37 asciilifeform: but only one battery

05:38:56 asciilifeform: what if.

05:39:01 decimation: well, there are two in the unit "A" and "B"

05:39:38 decimation: maybe that was considered enough redundancy? who knows.

05:39:58 asciilifeform: my guess is that the rocket itself was viewed as 'redundant'

05:40:02 asciilifeform: what's one less, one more.

05:40:07 decimation: yeah

05:40:10 decimation: I'm surprised they didn't use the heat coming off the nuclear core for some purpose

05:40:10 asciilifeform: that'd be the logical thing.

05:40:16 asciilifeform: not so much of it

05:40:30 decimation: heh yeah probably not for the logic of that day

05:40:33 asciilifeform: about same as a teapot.

05:40:40 asciilifeform: heatwise

05:40:50 decimation: could be enough to run a small modern micro

05:41:15 asciilifeform: if you've a way to reliably chill the cold end of thermocouple - sur

05:41:15 asciilifeform: e

05:41:36 decimation: ah that's a good point

05:41:39 asciilifeform: but these things had mechanical disks (!), ferrite bead memory (2nd ver.), mechanical vanes, etc

05:43:40 decimation: another view of the devices inside http://www.techbastard.com/missile/minuteman/guidance.php

05:43:42 assbot: Minuteman Guidance System ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHa5Ch )

05:43:48 asciilifeform: http://lanbob.com/lanbob/HDL-V1955-1970AS/HD60MM1.htm << more schematics

05:43:50 assbot: HD1960MM1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHa8he )

05:44:05 asciilifeform: platinum toilet.

05:45:24 asciilifeform: ^ very interesting link, one of the designers spills various technical beans

05:45:30 asciilifeform: with napkin sketches, etc

05:45:49 asciilifeform: either a 'loose lips' or - more likely - ancient disinfo reworked for www

05:46:36 asciilifeform: (an american national sport was, at one time, to 'turn loose' mildly buggy military w4r3z for ru folks to find)

05:46:37 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities without resort to a $1B factory. << for the record, this is a hobble.

05:46:49 ben_vulpes: customary densities are a product of red queen dynamics.

05:47:08 asciilifeform: customary - at least something like an intel 4004

05:47:13 asciilifeform: not speaking of 'pentium' here!

05:47:14 ben_vulpes: if the goal is "compute by the yard", make more yards, not smaller compute.

05:47:15 decimation: ah "Batteries: There was a battery at the top in the G&C section and also used to power stage III, a battery in the middle stage II and at the bottom for stage I. There was an umbilical cable at top and bottom, from G&C and stage I, to provide silo “battery” power for checkout."

05:48:26 decimation: apparently the gyros operated continuously while in the silo to reduce launch time

05:48:31 decimation: I wonder how often they failed

05:48:41 asciilifeform: decimation: there is a legend about this

05:48:43 asciilifeform: on ru side

05:49:56 asciilifeform: that it was not deemed economical to use jewelled bearing, as americans did, and the oil of a certain inedible bean (forget which) was employed as lubricant

05:50:01 asciilifeform: which mostly worked

05:50:25 asciilifeform: but couldn't spin continuously

05:50:36 asciilifeform: had to spin up 'when politics were hot' or the like.

05:50:43 decimation: heh

05:50:51 decimation: and then replaced after some operating time presumably

05:50:58 decimation: or at least, re-greased

05:53:51 mod6: wow, this thing is really flying

05:53:56 mod6: 141k

05:54:51 ben_vulpes: mod6: what are you running tonight?

05:55:03 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re 4004: i'm imagining devices at least 10x that scale.

05:55:10 ben_vulpes: imagining -> expecting

05:55:19 asciilifeform: 10x or 1/10

05:55:25 ben_vulpes: 10x.

05:55:32 asciilifeform: so glorified ttl ?

05:55:54 ben_vulpes: perhaps of that scale.

05:55:56 mod6: v0.5.3 base + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } + openssl 1.0.1g with a modified portotronic build script - all statically linked libs

05:56:04 asciilifeform: congrats mod6 !

05:56:06 ben_vulpes: whoa, all statically linked?

05:56:07 ben_vulpes: wd

05:56:12 mod6: ty

05:56:35 mod6: we'll see if it passes 160001

05:57:59 decimation: asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see how your 'macrofab' order works out

05:58:15 asciilifeform: aha

05:58:31 asciilifeform: will post photos, etc

05:58:47 decimation: did they charge reasonable prices for the non-'house' parts?

05:58:50 asciilifeform: anyone's bet whether they'll ship on schedule, and, if so, exactly -what-

05:58:59 asciilifeform: mostly

05:59:04 asciilifeform: they skin you on pcb

05:59:12 decimation: did you end up using eagle or kicad?

05:59:15 asciilifeform: eagle

05:59:18 asciilifeform: kicad is unusable

05:59:27 asciilifeform: this is an old design

05:59:30 asciilifeform: (>1yr now)

05:59:37 asciilifeform: that i am having them build simply to see what comes of it

05:59:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5412 @ 0.00044852 = 2.4274 BTC [-]

05:59:44 decimation: yeah that will be interesting

06:04:09 mod6: <+mod6> we'll see if it passes 160001 << derp. 168,001

06:07:59 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: minuteman << did you ever read into the 'amateur' rocketry group with whom i dorked around for a while in undergrad?

06:08:05 asciilifeform: aha

06:08:23 *: asciilifeform did not have the honour of partaking in any such thing

06:08:45 ben_vulpes: 'twas a fine introduction to what could be done in a garage without the military overhead.

06:08:48 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i very much thought of it when i found that link

06:09:02 asciilifeform: think of how it could have went with modern cnc

06:09:11 ben_vulpes: we made our own spinning fin cans at one point! garage bearing races of... 0.2m diameter!

06:09:20 asciilifeform: neato

06:09:34 ben_vulpes: out of hardened steel no less

06:09:38 ben_vulpes: that we hardened ourselves

06:10:06 asciilifeform: i still think it's odd that the americans never really discovered electrolytic milling

06:10:16 asciilifeform: where it doesn't matter one lick whether material is hardened

06:10:25 ben_vulpes: we just cut slowly.

06:10:31 asciilifeform: and expensively

06:10:36 ben_vulpes: meh.

06:10:46 ben_vulpes: 'twasn't *that* expensive.

06:10:53 asciilifeform: good cutters cost a fortune

06:11:00 asciilifeform: even for (what may be) world's smallest lathe

06:11:09 ben_vulpes: there are a few different hardnesses one can achieve.

06:11:25 ben_vulpes: the hack was finding the sweet spot in race/bearing hardnesses.

06:11:39 asciilifeform: so far i've been able to stick to nonferrous.

06:12:05 ben_vulpes: carbides?

06:12:16 asciilifeform: working materials, that is

06:12:21 ben_vulpes: oh.

06:12:33 asciilifeform: lol

06:12:34 ben_vulpes: yes well that does make life easier haw

06:12:50 ben_vulpes: al's fucking butter

06:13:01 asciilifeform: i did learn the hard way what it does to a grinding wheel

06:13:07 ben_vulpes: hahahahahahaha

06:13:17 ben_vulpes: mhm.

06:13:31 ben_vulpes: hey at least you're not trying to cut steel with diamond bits.

06:13:35 asciilifeform: srsly, you go & try apprenticing with no master.

06:13:36 ben_vulpes: *foomp*

06:13:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did.

06:13:50 ben_vulpes: for at least a whole year.

06:14:06 *: asciilifeform regards C dissolving in Fe as an elementary fact

06:14:18 asciilifeform: that ought to be obvious to anyone who walks into the workshop

06:14:26 ben_vulpes: someone took pity on me in the warehouse as i worked my way through quarter inch plate with a hand cutter and provided me with an acetylene torch.

06:14:29 ben_vulpes: made the quarter.

06:14:48 asciilifeform: lol

06:14:57 *: ben_vulpes must piss on each and every fence

06:15:03 ben_vulpes: just you know

06:15:05 ben_vulpes: to find the electric ones

06:15:24 ben_vulpes: but hey at least i made my waste oil furnace

06:15:50 ben_vulpes: there was a chinese restaurant up the way that had a drum of cooking oil

06:15:55 ben_vulpes: free heat!

06:16:02 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: before i fall asleep, i remembered to tell, that there actually were 'integrated circuits' in ussr that were built in the way you suggest

06:16:14 ben_vulpes: i suggested a method?

06:16:17 asciilifeform: out of uncommonly small physically-discrete transistors

06:16:42 mod6: 166k

06:16:42 ben_vulpes: mm ah

06:16:47 ben_vulpes: almost!

06:16:54 asciilifeform: legend also has it that one of the items secretly salvaged by h. hughes's 'glomar explorer' mega-ship was a collection of such circuits

06:17:00 decimation: asciilifeform: were they individually packaged?

06:17:14 asciilifeform: the transistors ?

06:17:35 asciilifeform: i do not presently know.

06:17:54 asciilifeform: but my understanding is that they were placed by hand.

06:18:49 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i dreamt once of coercing bugs into placing such devices.

06:19:55 ben_vulpes: i was taking classes in chaos theory, control theory and installing machines for a biologist at the time.

06:20:01 asciilifeform: what kid hasn't considered ants, pheromone trail computer.

06:20:03 *: ben_vulpes looks back at his work history in wonder

06:20:15 asciilifeform: !s ant colony

06:20:15 assbot: 4 results for 'ant colony' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ant+colony

06:20:28 ben_vulpes: more amoebic placement.

06:20:46 mod6: passed 168,001

06:20:57 asciilifeform: mod6: congrats

06:21:16 ben_vulpes: golf claps

06:22:29 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jFcyGsHN

06:22:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQDUDM )

06:22:32 mod6: :]

06:22:34 mod6: ty ty

06:23:33 *: asciilifeform thanks mod6 for fixing his catastrophic bug

06:23:59 *: asciilifeform reminds all therealbitcoin folks to 'trust but verify'

06:24:08 *: mod6 thanks asciilifeform for building the portotronic & build script

06:24:21 asciilifeform: (or in the original rhyming proverb, 'доверяй но проверяй')

06:24:54 mod6: ah! yes.

06:25:20 mod6: well gentlemen, that's all for me tonight. ima let it run, see how it does overnight. will report more tomorrow.

06:25:34 asciilifeform: good night mod6 & co

06:25:39 *: asciilifeform must also be off to bed

06:25:44 mod6: ni!

06:26:53 *: decimation as well, night

06:36:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00043767 = 5.7772 BTC [-]

06:45:09 Naphex: o/

06:51:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00043904 = 5.1807 BTC [+]

07:01:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00044852 = 4.0591 BTC [+]

07:05:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00044852 = 4.4623 BTC [+]

07:23:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00043767 = 6.5651 BTC [-]

07:25:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22349 @ 0.00043767 = 9.7815 BTC [-]

07:29:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00043767 = 5.1426 BTC [-]

07:44:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00043767 = 4.0484 BTC [-]

07:46:14 ben_vulpes: oh man

07:46:26 ben_vulpes: i might be able to rid this stack of solr with judicious application of postgres full text search

07:49:24 BingoBoingo: O.o

08:11:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4008 @ 0.00043767 = 1.7542 BTC [-]

08:23:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00044852 = 1.4353 BTC [+]

08:48:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00043767 = 4.3329 BTC [-]

09:04:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3347 @ 0.00043609 = 1.4596 BTC [-]

09:08:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7749 @ 0.00044852 = 3.4756 BTC [+]

09:14:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6353 @ 0.00043609 = 2.7705 BTC [-]

09:26:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00042928 = 3.7991 BTC [-]

09:47:52 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/scotland-takes-symbolic-step-towards-online-independence/

10:02:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6466 @ 0.00044697 = 2.8901 BTC [+] {2}

10:19:32 BingoBoingo: http://uncrunched.com/2015/02/17/we-deserve-a-better-bitcoin-experience-than-circle/

10:19:33 assbot: We Deserve A Better Bitcoin Experience Than Circle | Uncrunched ... ( http://bit.ly/1E57S86 )

10:21:41 BingoBoingo: ^ Incredilol

10:22:46 cazalla: strange, i never had to send them a selfie

10:23:19 cazalla: i'm not sure i even sent ID from memory

10:25:11 punkman: they event stopped sending me SMS codes for every login/deposit

10:25:51 cazalla: i guess arrington is trying to use it for something more than cash in, bitcoin out, lol @ his $100 limit too

10:28:48 BingoBoingo: Hard to say

10:29:19 BingoBoingo: Maybe they had a "Pls don't let Mike ID be stolen here" flag set

10:36:14 punkman: cazalla, do they still have you at $500 limit?

10:37:30 cazalla: punkman, yup

10:40:22 punkman: in other news, I got those "English Accent Knives", plenty sharp and they did in fact survive accidental drops.

10:41:13 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#976971

10:41:13 assbot: Logged on 14-01-2015 09:33:23; fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9zuSTOE2vk

10:41:53 fluffypony: lol punkman

10:54:48 punkman: http://www.thelingerieaddict.com/2012/01/what-you-didnt-know-to-look-for-in-a-corset-5-myths-debunked.html

10:54:49 assbot: What (You Didn't Know) to Look for in a Corset: 5 Popular Myths Debunked I The Lingerie Addict ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHmqsB )

11:01:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00042917 = 14.2055 BTC [-] {2}

11:02:07 punkman: btw you can find decent tailors for the girlies at lightinthebox.com, even pauper can afford

11:03:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9422 @ 0.00043575 = 4.1056 BTC [+] {2}

11:06:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4965 @ 0.00042904 = 2.1302 BTC [-]

11:20:41 ben_vulpes: this obsession with buying btc online through a webapp is pretty humerus.

11:25:59 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Think of it as a rescue mission. Save the precious BTC by trying to get them to safe private keys out of the web3.0 grasp.

11:36:42 kakobrekla: check out this shit, filtering specifically; https://gist.github.com/k9ert/ace7b25b354831ec5006

11:36:44 assbot: Bitcoin-assets 21-01-2015 minus some distractions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AEqxIq )

11:38:37 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Wow, filtered to remove the important

11:39:04 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Gotta filter that way for the text to be safe for ego.

11:41:26 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/k9ert

11:41:28 assbot: k9ert (@k9ert) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AErpg9 )

11:45:00 BingoBoingo: ^ filterer

11:47:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5270 @ 0.00043074 = 2.27 BTC [+]

11:48:00 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

11:48:04 gribble: Current Blocks: 344030 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 705 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45833353704.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.09959

11:48:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20630 @ 0.00042904 = 8.8511 BTC [-]

11:54:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00043298 = 3.8752 BTC [+] {2}

12:09:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00042929 = 9.3156 BTC [-] {2}

12:22:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4236 @ 0.00083996 = 3.5581 BTC [+] {6}

12:27:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4534 @ 0.00084972 = 3.8526 BTC [+] {8}

12:29:53 BingoBoingo: !up brendafdez

12:32:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19115 @ 0.00042904 = 8.2011 BTC [-]

12:32:27 brendafdez: ;;later tell mircea_popescu You're squatting the channel ;) http://pastebin.com/YNqdarX7 I could be running some shady business there instead...

12:32:29 assbot: (09:24:01 AM) ChanServ: (notice) Information on #bitcoin-argentina: (09:24:01 A - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpXI2O )

12:32:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:43:50 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhnblU9leIo

12:43:51 assbot: The Story of the First Ultra Modern Phone Cable Ship - AT&T Archives - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lamxz0 )

12:51:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12838 @ 0.00043707 = 5.6111 BTC [+] {2}

13:10:42 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: from the author of learn2prog.de

13:24:40 BingoBoingo: !up yhwh_

13:25:05 yhwh_: tight

13:26:33 kakobrekla: ben_vulpes i did not see his key in the wot

13:27:35 ben_vulpes: http://sourceforge.net/projects/struktor/ << author i think of this

13:27:37 assbot: struktor | SourceForge.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BlIyLg )

13:28:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 91 @ 0.0902167 = 8.2097 BTC [-] {5}

13:29:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6937 @ 0.00078816 = 5.4675 BTC [-] {17}

13:29:37 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Apparently he has a keybase.io according to the gitrub

13:30:05 ben_vulpes: gutrub

13:30:28 kakobrekla: yea

13:39:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00044069 = 5.6849 BTC [+] {2}

13:43:54 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell nubbins' Do you call the version control system you use to manage your silk screen projects nubrub?

13:43:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:46:29 punkman: orly http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/18/yanis-varoufakis-how-i-became-an-erratic-marxist

13:46:31 assbot: Yanis Varoufakis: How I became an erratic Marxist | News | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaxErI )

13:48:02 kakobrekla: https://blog.shodan.io/duplicate-ssh-keys-everywhere/

13:48:03 assbot: Duplicate SSH Keys Everywhere ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaxUqv )

13:51:33 jurov: brendafdez: guess who has #bitcoin-anal :)

13:51:48 ben_vulpes: and buttcoin

13:52:00 ben_vulpes: but not bitcoin-asshats

13:52:31 ben_vulpes: irc channels are clearly territory.

13:52:45 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu likes to pee on things

13:54:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00043214 = 6.9358 BTC [-]

14:06:03 BingoBoingo: !up brendafdez

14:10:33 nubbins`: yes, nubrub

14:10:49 nubbins`: also, who in the world uses a version control system for this sort of thing 8)

14:11:09 ben_vulpes: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/02/why-men-always-think-women-are-flirting.html << someone tried to reproduce a "social science" study.

14:11:10 assbot: Why Men Always Think Women Are Flirting -- Science of Us ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaCsgE )

14:11:15 nubbins`: most of you will be literally horrified to learn that all my art assets are stored in Dropbox.

14:11:31 ben_vulpes: nubbins`: as opposed to...

14:11:35 ben_vulpes: figuratively horrified?

14:11:41 nubbins`: yeah

14:11:44 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: By version control I mean how you handle the screens for various stage

14:11:44 nubbins`: like, irc horrified

14:11:45 BingoBoingo: s

14:11:56 nubbins`: sorta like how nobody actually lols when they say lol.

14:12:13 ben_vulpes: i typically snort

14:12:31 nubbins`: BingoBoingo this is about as deserving of a system as the stack of plates in your kitchen cupboard :)

14:12:42 brendafdez: I was wondering if the Wordpress pingback DDoS is still an issue, or was it fixed in more recent versions? I'm running 4.1 and my xmlrpc.php (http://pastebin.com/6s78Hh5c) doesn't even have a reference to $linea. I don't speal PHP at all, so I'm not sure if I should still paste the replecement code somewhere.

14:13:02 nubbins`: we do have a set of screen-drying cupboards i could christen "nubrub", i guess

14:13:03 ben_vulpes: oh yeah

14:13:07 ben_vulpes: totally paste the code in

14:13:16 ben_vulpes: wcgw etc

14:13:24 ben_vulpes: ;;ud wcgw

14:13:24 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WCGW | Oct 17, 2010 ... What Could Go Wrong? ... Top Definition. WCGW. What Could Go Wrong? A drunk with a set of car keys. WCGW? by prosanity October 17, ...

14:13:26 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Is that not a system? One doesn't have to be Alekine to have a system

14:13:27 punkman: *chuckle*

14:13:30 *: ben_vulpes is satisfied.

14:13:31 brendafdez: ;)

14:13:42 nubbins`: heh

14:13:43 ben_vulpes: don't listen to me, i failed to sleep last night.

14:13:49 nubbins`: BingoBoingo ehh maybe

14:13:52 nubbins`: it's reaching a bit

14:14:02 nubbins`: what name do you put on your system for tying shoes?

14:14:11 ben_vulpes: THE ULTIMATE SHOE TYING SYSTEM

14:14:13 ben_vulpes: dude i have one.

14:14:14 BingoBoingo: brendafdez: It is still a think. Wordpress people keep moving where the target is

14:14:30 ben_vulpes: nubbins: first, instead of a simple once around, go around...twice

14:14:32 nubbins`: you should call it "shoeshoe train"

14:14:32 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Knot++

14:14:34 nubbins`: sounds nicer

14:14:37 nubbins`: heh.

14:14:42 ben_vulpes: the full 360 prevents slippage while doing the loop

14:14:43 ben_vulpes: THEN

14:14:51 ben_vulpes: when doing the loop, again go around not once...BUT TWICE

14:14:52 brendafdez: pasting in. http://www.wayofcats.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/carefullylaidplan.jpg

14:14:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaDdGl )

14:15:01 nubbins`: fwiw the second go-around is key for handling slippery laces

14:15:50 ben_vulpes: this knot does not slip.

14:17:34 ben_vulpes: good morning mike_c

14:17:40 mike_c: good morning!

14:17:50 nubbins`: really tempted to buy another settlers of catan expansion

14:18:23 ben_vulpes: what are you doing today?

14:18:47 mike_c: the same thing i do every day.. trying to take over the world.

14:19:07 ben_vulpes: oh man

14:19:21 ben_vulpes: that's like the second eyeroll i've had cuz of irc in 5 minutes

14:19:23 mike_c: cmon, that never gets old

14:19:28 ben_vulpes: gonna get a headache at this rate

14:19:29 nubbins`: phun phact, one of our cats is named after that show.

14:20:46 danielpbarron: is there a way to check the fingerprint of an assbot user?

14:21:16 mike_c: danielpbarron: http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt

14:21:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AF0TD9 )

14:21:33 mike_c: l2 only though

14:21:36 danielpbarron: there's no command or link in w.b-a.link ?

14:22:14 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well you could visit people at their ICBM address and ask politely

14:22:15 danielpbarron: like !fingerprint danielpbarron

14:22:33 mike_c: hn, not that i know of.

14:22:34 danielpbarron: i'm trying to prove my fingerprint is assciated with my username

14:22:42 danielpbarron: i can do this with gribble..

14:22:59 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But asswot is stateless

14:23:08 danielpbarron: so far all i got is: http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/155934bdd16e8eaf4493cb9cb36ae9849d961ac9

14:23:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AF1nsZ )

14:23:10 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: lieeeeees

14:23:21 danielpbarron: why can't it at least mention a username in that dump?

14:23:42 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Which lies?

14:24:01 ben_vulpes: assbot being stateless

14:24:42 ben_vulpes: asswot either

14:24:48 nubbins`: !ident danielpbarron

14:24:51 nubbins`: for shame

14:24:57 ben_vulpes: wut

14:25:58 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Oh, I though you were talking about ICBM addressing protocol

14:26:09 nubbins`: danielpbarron just !rate a fake nick

14:26:12 nubbins`: i guess

14:26:18 nubbins`: or, i mean, gpg-sign something

14:26:46 mike_c: gpg sign proves you have the key, not that key & nick are related.

14:27:09 mike_c: do something with !rate works though

14:27:25 danielpbarron: i want to sign a thing that someone can cross reference with my ratings

14:27:47 nubbins`: !rate itsme 1 it's me

14:27:47 assbot: itsme is not registered in WoT.

14:27:51 *: nubbins` shrugs

14:27:54 nubbins`: can't be done

14:28:07 nubbins`: !rate nubbins` 1 me

14:28:08 assbot: You can not rate yourself.

14:28:12 nubbins`: eat shit

14:28:41 nubbins`: !gettrust danielpbarron

14:28:41 assbot: Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 7 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/nubbins%60/danielpbarron | http://w.b-a.link/user/danielpbarron

14:28:45 BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr

14:28:45 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.0002225 / 0.00026 (28055 shares, 6.24 BTC)

14:28:59 nubbins`: yeah that's a fairly large gap in functionality

14:29:52 danielpbarron: lol i love that l2 score

14:30:10 danielpbarron: you do business with some shady dudes

14:31:41 danielpbarron: stupid github thinks i'm not human; i figured gpg to asswot should be enough proof

14:32:25 *: nubbins` shrugs

14:32:30 nubbins`: gotta sell the shinies to someone 8)

14:33:57 nubbins`: o wow, an i-hate-nubs thread that i didn't unsubscribe from

14:34:13 BingoBoingo: Where?

14:34:29 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935984.msg10493773#msg10493773

14:34:30 assbot: REMOVE NUBBINS FROM THE DEFAULT TRUST LIST FOR REPEATED TRUST ABUSE ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaH32t )

14:34:57 nubbins`: it bothers me that he insists on capitalizing my name

14:37:25 danielpbarron: that guy... hahah

14:38:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1305 @ 0.00084998 = 1.1092 BTC [+] {3}

14:39:17 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: how are you proposing to tie github to asswot?

14:39:51 nubbins`: danielpbarron i was almost forced to make fun of him in his vaccines thread

14:40:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4531 @ 0.00043214 = 1.958 BTC [-]

14:40:59 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023485

14:40:59 assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:23:08; danielpbarron: so far all i got is: http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/155934bdd16e8eaf4493cb9cb36ae9849d961ac9

14:41:11 kakobrekla: added:

14:41:12 kakobrekla: [fromnick] => assbot

14:41:12 kakobrekla: [fromkey] => 7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C

14:41:12 kakobrekla: [tonick] => danielpbarron

14:41:12 kakobrekla: [tokey] => 155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9

14:41:26 danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, they gave me a form to submit my request, and i told them to give me OTP to clearsign, and gave them links to that ^

14:42:12 nubbins`: kakobrekla i think he's concerned about the fact that the "danielpbarron" behind that link isn't necessarily the one in-chan?

14:42:43 danielpbarron: no; i just want something that says "assbot user named 'danielpbarron' uses gpg key ...

14:42:49 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: what request?

14:42:55 kakobrekla: gribble's auth is as good as assbots voice

14:43:00 ben_vulpes: isn't that a site you just sign up for?

14:43:38 nubbins`: ;;ident danielpbarron

14:43:39 gribble: Nick 'danielpbarron', with hostmask 'danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net', is not identified.

14:43:40 danielpbarron: yeah i've had an account for a while, but just noticed it's been flagged as "not human"

14:43:49 ben_vulpes: wahahaha.

14:44:10 ben_vulpes: in other news, people committing LF only files into client repos today...

14:44:21 nubbins`: CR is so passe

14:44:34 danielpbarron: probably because the last thing i recall doing on github had something to do with making fun of gender pronouns

14:44:36 ben_vulpes: utf-8 all the things

14:44:43 ben_vulpes: heh.

14:45:06 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: your dedication to stirring up shit is endlessly entertaining.

14:45:29 nubbins`: zhe

14:45:37 nubbins`: zhis

14:45:41 kakobrekla: also the bibletronics

14:45:44 nubbins`: ;;google zhe zhis

14:45:45 gribble: How to Fold a Zhe Zhi (Origami) Dove - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUW0wr3jKw; Long zhi ren zhe (1982) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084267/; Gender-neutral pronouns for English - The Progress Report: http://www.progress.org/tpr/gender-neutral-pronouns-for-english-2/

14:46:21 nubbins`: "Zhe was walking zher dog down the street and then gave zhim a treat."

14:46:27 nubbins`: fuck me

14:46:52 nubbins`: why are they using a gender-neutral pronoun for the fucking DOG?

14:47:01 nubbins`: "The pronoun “one” would not do here: “One was walking one’s dog down the street and then gave one a treat”"

14:47:15 nubbins`: yeah, because you'd say "gave one a treat", not "gave it a treat"

14:47:18 *: nubbins` weeps

14:47:28 BingoBoingo: Wait, that's a gender neutral thing? I thought it was a Prussian thing.

14:47:35 nubbins`: it's a thing thing

14:47:43 danielpbarron: or if you're feeling generous: give one two treats

14:47:50 ben_vulpes: i like it

14:48:12 nubbins`: "And if some high official, such as the president, says zhe will use gender-neutral pronouns for zher own writing, and ask that those writing to zhim do so also, that would provide a powerful boost."

14:48:25 *: nubbins` sobs uncontrollably

14:48:32 nubbins`: perhaps obummer will start doing precisely this

14:48:41 ben_vulpes: thanks obub

14:48:54 danielpbarron: are those actual quotes from a genuine idiot?

14:49:00 nubbins`: nevermind that "zher" sounds like fucking diarrhoea

14:49:07 nubbins`: http://www.progress.org/tpr/gender-neutral-pronouns-for-english-2/

14:49:08 assbot: Gender-neutral pronouns for English - The Progress Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaJOAL )

14:49:27 nubbins`: Save us from confusing grammar such as “everyone must have their books.” Make it instead “everyone must have zher books.” It then becomes clear that each person must have one’s own book and not the books of all the others. It is also shorter and less awkward than having to say “his or her” all the time.

14:49:33 ben_vulpes: dude

14:49:42 nubbins`: funny, i automatically thought that i must have the books of all others.

14:49:52 BingoBoingo: "And if some high official, such as the president, says it will use gender-neutral pronouns for its own writing, and ask that those writing to it do so also, that would provide a powerful boost." << Ther fixed with objectification

14:49:58 nubbins`: also, "less awkward"

14:49:59 nubbins`: heh.

14:50:10 ben_vulpes: objectification << nice

14:50:24 nubbins`: "everyone must have zher books" is categorically NOT less awkward than any other english sentence that does not contain the "word" "zher"

14:50:51 ben_vulpes: nubbins` you really like getting bent out of shape over derps don't you

14:50:58 nubbins`: it's a hobby

14:52:07 BingoBoingo: Seriously when people insist on gender neutral pronouns your choices are it in the singular and they in the plural. Or... nouns still exists.

14:52:58 nubbins`: i prefer to use "they" as a gender neutral pronoun

14:53:04 nubbins`: fuck its intended use

14:53:05 ben_vulpes: nah your choices are to ignore them or beat them

14:53:07 jurov: http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt << list of all nicks and fingerprints

14:53:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaKDtf )

14:53:09 danielpbarron: i will default to 'him' and 'his' for exactly the reason they wish i wouldn't

14:53:13 ben_vulpes: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/02/tech-leads-the-way/ << look, microshit beat facebutts!

14:53:14 assbot: Tech Leads the Way | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaKBS5 )

14:53:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00043179 = 10.2334 BTC [-] {2}

14:53:32 kakobrekla: jurov just l2

14:53:33 jurov: The zh words would help refer to God: for Zhe is just, and Zher love for humanity endless, and we worship Zhim

14:53:36 jurov: ahahahaha

14:53:40 ben_vulpes: google in the red, and aws barely ekeing out 6.9

14:53:52 BingoBoingo: Nah, see the canonical example "It puts the lotion in the basket." "It puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the hose again"

14:54:15 nubbins`: jurov does god have a peepee or a slit?

14:54:24 danielpbarron: heh, everyone is an object when you take away sexism

14:54:36 nubbins`: BingoBoingo XD

14:54:37 jurov: Zhe can have both

14:54:47 kakobrekla: for some reason i thought you wanted strictly level 2 list - it actually takes a couple of min to generate. full dump would take a second.

14:54:48 nubbins`: PUT THE LOTION IN THE FUCKING BASKET

14:55:23 nubbins`: oh also

14:55:31 nubbins`: i got debian shoved on my pogoplug

14:55:38 danielpbarron: nice

14:55:48 jurov: kakobrekla if it can include l1/l2 ratings, why not have everyone?

14:55:48 nubbins`: currently serving files from a 1.5tb drive

14:55:50 danielpbarron: tell me how! i will attempt

14:55:56 nubbins`: gonna try to pop .foundation 531 on it soon

14:55:57 ben_vulpes: shove debian up your pogoplug

14:56:01 nubbins`: danielpbarron sec

14:56:09 nubbins`: http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html

14:56:11 assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaLl9S )

14:56:12 nubbins`: impossibly easy

14:56:25 nubbins`: just needs a 4G+ sd card

14:56:33 danielpbarron: is debian a systemd turd?

14:56:41 *: nubbins` shrugs

14:56:44 ben_vulpes: yup

14:56:45 nubbins`: there's also arch linux arm

14:56:46 kakobrekla: jurov everyones l1/l2? from assbot to target ? that would take prolly 10 times longer or so.

14:56:54 danielpbarron: yeah i got arch on mine

14:56:57 ben_vulpes: "arch" << also turdolated

14:57:05 ben_vulpes: not that i even know wat that means

14:57:08 nubbins`: heh.

14:57:12 nubbins`: i think it means alf doesn't like it

14:57:15 nubbins`: anyway, idgaf

14:57:19 jurov: kakobrekla okay then, it can be queried extra

14:57:19 nubbins`: $10 NAS

14:57:32 ben_vulpes: more like corprolifeform

14:57:42 danielpbarron: i don't know much about systemd except that it's hated in here, and in "top" *everything* is a subprocess of it..

14:57:44 nubbins`: as an aside, the pogoplug MOBILE (blue logo) does NOT accept SATA

14:57:44 ben_vulpes: !up thestringpuller

14:57:57 nubbins`: top doesn't pop off

14:57:58 ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot thestringpuller

14:57:58 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 7 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/thestringpuller | http://w.b-a.link/user/thestringpuller

14:57:59 danielpbarron: nubbins`, yep but it has twice the memory

14:58:04 nubbins`: o?

14:58:11 nubbins`: well that's the one i have

14:58:20 kakobrekla: jurov actually im being dumb

14:58:31 danielpbarron: nubbins`, which one? the blue one?

14:58:37 ben_vulpes: what's up with your keys, thestringpuller?

14:58:37 nubbins`: yeah

14:58:40 kakobrekla: i can just attach everyone who is missing from that list with l0/l1

14:58:43 nubbins`: blue logo

14:58:54 nubbins`: i think the purple logo is the one where the top comes off to reveal SATA/USD

14:58:55 kakobrekla: eh, l1=0, l2=0

14:58:56 nubbins`: *USB

14:59:00 danielpbarron: yes

14:59:23 kakobrekla: without doing any computing.

14:59:23 nubbins`: also i think the purple logo won't boot off an SD?

14:59:24 danielpbarron: well i think you'll have a very hard time syncing considering harddisk read write is the bottleneck

14:59:27 nubbins`: not sure

14:59:35 nubbins`: danielpbarron yeah no doubt.

14:59:36 jurov: kakobrekla: that's a bit misleading, rather put "-" instead of the zeros

14:59:43 danielpbarron: but the blue unit might be a good device for a pre-synched chain copied in

14:59:52 kakobrekla: eh?

15:00:02 kakobrekla: how is 0 different from -

15:00:11 nubbins`: 0 is a value

15:00:17 kakobrekla: yea but in effect

15:00:20 nubbins`: - is the absence thereof

15:00:21 kakobrekla: you need >0

15:00:24 jurov: you want for users with negative rating to show 0?

15:00:35 jurov: that is a bit misleading imo

15:00:52 nubbins`: danielpbarron now there's a torrent i'd seed

15:01:10 kakobrekla: no, but i can show negative rating as negative rating

15:01:27 nubbins`: hm

15:01:29 nubbins`: actually

15:01:41 nubbins`: is anyone interested in donating a modicum of bandwidth to such a thing?

15:01:52 nubbins`: i've got 30mbit up, could spare some

15:02:18 jurov: kakobrekla: yes you can. but if you don't bother to run the query, make the NULLs recognizable

15:02:51 kakobrekla: i actually compute the neg rates atm, just dont show em

15:02:54 mod6: still going: 208582

15:02:59 *: nubbins` claps

15:03:05 kakobrekla: you cant know its a neg if you dont compute it

15:03:17 danielpbarron: eh i'm not suggesting we all share the same torrented blockchain; i mean you could sync it on your own machine and copy it over

15:03:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2waac0/your_disk_controller_and_you

15:03:36 assbot: Your Disk Controller and You : programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaMTAV )

15:03:39 nubbins`: nono, i totally understand

15:03:55 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 'bury brigade' is slacking today...

15:04:03 nubbins`: *i'm* suggesting we seed a blockchain torrent 8)

15:04:17 danielpbarron: that sounds evil

15:04:26 nubbins`: meh

15:05:10 jurov: !up thestringpuller

15:05:26 asciilifeform: the pogoplug MOBILE (blue logo) does NOT accept SATA << correct. costs ~$6 less

15:05:41 danielpbarron: btw, no blocks mined using version > 2 in the last 12 hours or so

15:05:55 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: My keys are airgapped, as in I am physically separated from access cause I don't have something secure to shuttle them en-mobile. I.e. cardano....

15:06:07 asciilifeform: yep but it has twice the memory << unfortunately, not so simple. the -previous generation- of both devices cost the same and had 2x the ram. they are no longer available new anywhere i know of

15:06:16 danielpbarron: oh

15:06:16 thestringpuller: If I get netsplit at work I'm shit out of luck.

15:06:16 nubbins`: shame

15:06:18 kakobrekla: but version number just tells you the version number

15:06:21 nubbins`: anyway, blue logo guy is nice

15:06:31 danielpbarron: i haven't opened my blue unit yet

15:06:44 asciilifeform: i think the purple logo won't boot off an SD << when this is through there will be no need to boot from anything but the internal eeprom

15:07:33 kakobrekla: next version ships with diskram

15:08:15 danielpbarron: well if they aren't reporting a greater version then they might as well not be using it (the version is used to decide with the fork, hard or soft, happens)

15:08:19 asciilifeform: incidentally, the ram penny-pinching ought to be familiar to veterans of the old linksys wrt linux router

15:08:44 asciilifeform: which eventually ended up with 2MB in which no linux of the time would sit down

15:09:08 asciilifeform: pay same, get half, then half again...

15:09:17 kakobrekla: until diskram

15:09:38 asciilifeform: swap yer whole life away

15:10:21 nubbins`: in fairness, the same dollar amount is worth less each time you buy one 8)

15:10:30 asciilifeform: less less

15:10:36 *: nubbins` nods

15:10:40 nubbins`: that's how they get ya

15:10:58 nubbins`: there was a thread on reddit the other day

15:11:06 nubbins`: "holy shit bitcoin core runs on raspi B+!"

15:11:15 nubbins`: i chuckled

15:11:25 nubbins`: this pogo thing is gonna make tsunamis

15:11:39 nubbins`: kinda tempted to buy like a hundred

15:11:43 kakobrekla: actually that is quite an achievement for the pos bcore and rpi are

15:11:44 danielpbarron: hehe

15:12:11 nubbins`: asciilifeform maybe that's the exuberance

15:12:42 danielpbarron: nubbins`, you set off a mythology about the pogo; some guy on the forum keeps telling everyone about the "ten thousand nodes" that MP is gonna use to stop the fork

15:13:13 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: is link in logs?

15:13:31 danielpbarron: to what? the forum post of that ^ ?

15:13:42 nubbins`: danielpbarron notu badu

15:13:52 nubbins`: how many nodes right now, anyway?

15:13:56 nubbins`: i guess no easy way to count

15:14:12 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: yes

15:14:24 danielpbarron: reminds me of classic chinese in which "ten thousand" was used to mean "infinity"

15:14:32 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: kinda speaks to the need for a disposable btc addr you can use to get yourself !up

15:14:36 danielpbarron: for those familiar with the Tao Te Ching

15:15:06 nubbins`: danielpbarron here, in times past, "thousands" was used as an immeasurable

15:15:39 nubbins`: "wow, there must be millions of cod in those waters"

15:15:48 danielpbarron: thestringpuller, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10478764;topicseen#msg10478764 here's one such mention

15:15:48 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaPhaM )

15:15:48 nubbins`: "millions? b'y, there's THOUSANDS of em out there"

15:16:37 danielpbarron: according the the forum's wisdom, we should have used a unit that can be upgraded to support 20MB blocks

15:16:38 nubbins`: you should plan for sucking Hitler's knob in the event that the Nazis win WW2.

15:16:40 nubbins`: hahahahahaha

15:17:58 danielpbarron: actually that's not the guy; hdbuck might be an ally

15:18:06 danielpbarron: lemme find another one

15:19:46 danielpbarron: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10473688#msg10473688 << inBitweTrust

15:19:47 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaPURH )

15:19:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dunno that they are awake yet

15:19:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1700 @ 0.00084999 = 1.445 BTC [+] {2}

15:20:10 danielpbarron: "What is sad is that they are supposedly scrambling to setup 10k nodes to prevent this hardfork when all they will succeed if they aren't bluffing is an alt with 10k nodes and less than 1-2% hashing power. Hopefully they have some developers on hand to quickly change the difficulty retarget limit so they have a usable , albeit very insecure alt."

15:22:20 danielpbarron: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10298889#msg10298889 << can't make up his mind; the 10k nodes are either to stop the fork, OR the fork must be stopped to protect the investment in 10k nodes..

15:22:21 assbot: Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaQhf6 )

15:23:19 danielpbarron: "Thanks. This is very enlightening and reveals the true motivations behind Mircea Popescu objections. He has made an investment in up to 10k nodes that would be obsolete if Gavin pushes through his hard fork. Why doesn't he honestly bring to the community these concerns as one of his principle motivations so we can try and find a solution together? The fact that he is not being forthright with this concern is troubling to sa

15:25:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14064 @ 0.00042775 = 6.0159 BTC [-] {3}

15:26:08 nubbins`: i fucking hate this pseudo-intellectual style of writing

15:26:53 nubbins`: all this "perhaps if we are just open about our abject failures as humans" stuff

15:27:09 nubbins`: maybe if you just come to the community and openly admit you spent 10k btc on cocaine

15:27:26 nubbins`: being forthright in this manner would help his cause significantly

15:27:45 nubbins`: anyway

15:27:51 nubbins`: "The thing is, I don't think there will ever be mass adoption of the system as it exist today. The 'average Joe' will be using some payment processor and not the blockchain directly. So the blockchain will have transactions from payment processors and early adopters/enthusiasts. The rest will be in closed systems and/or side chains that can solve a lot of the volume issues."

15:29:24 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

15:29:25 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.8, Best ask: 238.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.74000, Last trade: 237.8, 24 hour volume: 13352.09109047, 24 hour low: 237.11, 24 hour high: 248.78, 24 hour vwap: 242.83957709

15:29:26 thestringpuller: dunno which I hate more "hybrid cloud" or "mass adoption"

15:30:18 thestringpuller: or "internets of thingz"

15:32:24 thestringpuller: nubbins`: MP is more trusted than all random forum muppets and Gavin combined. Like parent to child, "I don't have to explain myself to you."

15:37:41 PeterL: !up thestringpuller

15:37:52 thestringpuller: thanks PeterL

15:37:58 PeterL: !up Dr-G

15:38:46 danielpbarron: ok what is the point of "zher" and "zhim" ?? aren't these still gender specific??

15:39:38 PeterL: link?

15:40:00 danielpbarron: !s progress.org

15:40:01 assbot: 0 results for 'progress.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=progress.org

15:40:16 danielpbarron: assbot is wrong; it's in there

15:42:08 nubbins`: thestringpuller "trusted" is a relative term, yo!

15:42:52 nubbins`: oprah is more trusted than almost anyone else alive, doesn't mean i'm gonna take her advice 8)

15:42:57 danielpbarron: adding a 'z' to a word doesn't magically transform it into a gender neutral term any more than adding a cape to a retard magically enables him, excuse me, zhim to fly

15:44:22 PeterL: maybe you pick whichever you like better, zhim or zher, and use it for both genders?

15:44:24 jurov: i understod it as "replace her, him and it both by `zer`"

15:45:09 PeterL: I seem to remember in middle English they used something like "hir" for both genders?

15:45:30 nubbins`: he/him she/her zhe/zher

15:45:31 PeterL: but it's been a while since I read Chaucer, so I might be wrong

15:47:16 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-IvozdCIAACbi5.jpg

15:47:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bm2LRa )

15:48:35 PeterL: myself, I sometimes use the pronoun "e" in place of he/she

15:49:48 danielpbarron: in an attempt to grok this, i read the sentence so many times even the word 'her' doesn't look right

15:50:53 PeterL: which sentence?

15:51:19 danielpbarron: "Zhe was walking zher dog down the street and then gave zhim a treat." << couldn't it be "Zhe was walking zher dog .. and gave zher a treat" ?

15:52:42 PeterL: zher is possesive

15:52:53 PeterL: zhim is object pronoun

15:53:43 mircea_popescu: wut.

15:53:47 PeterL: "she was walking her dog down street, gave her a treat", "he was walking down the street with his dog, gave him a treat"

15:54:06 mircea_popescu: dogs are it.

15:54:23 kakobrekla: no, the dog gave the treat

15:54:40 PeterL: her can be equivalent to him or his, because English is not a very systematic language

15:54:47 danielpbarron: that's why dog owners always bring plastic baggies; for treat collection

15:54:48 thestringpuller: nubbins`: something something loyalty.

15:55:11 mircea_popescu: the dog treat[ment]!

15:58:41 PeterL: I gave it to her/him/zhim, the thing was hers/his/???

16:00:01 mircea_popescu: i propose she/he/herp her/him/herp hers/his/derp

16:01:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: safe and secure in the ca government's hands. << fountains gotta fountain.

16:03:07 PeterL: BingoBoingo: s/produces much Britain's /produces much of Britains's in http://qntra.net/2015/02/scotland-takes-symbolic-step-towards-online-independence/

16:03:08 assbot: Scotland Takes Symbolic Step Towards Online Independence | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bm5mKR )

16:03:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1022914 << it occurs to me a good time to run away is when an australian guy finds a spider he never saw before.

16:03:36 assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 02:24:56; cazalla: i'm cleaning up and what do i see.. a spider, but one i've never seen before http://i.imgur.com/5Es7jlg.jpg

16:03:42 mircea_popescu: it's probably the antichrist.

16:04:52 jurov: what to do when said guy wants to keep said spider as pet?

16:05:24 mircea_popescu: run away further!

16:07:49 jurov: !up thestringpuller

16:08:36 mircea_popescu: "Yet another article describing what we've known for a while : secure computing is in fact rendered impossible by the hardware itself, what with DMAi, what with defective separation of controlii with CPUs embedded in all the peripherals anyway and so on and so forth."

16:08:48 mircea_popescu: holy shit fraudsters was discussing the "hard drtives discovery" a year ago ?

16:08:54 mircea_popescu: thanks asciilifeform for digging it up lol

16:13:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: probably needs entirely new chemistry. << graphite base ?

16:14:07 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu doesn't like spiders?

16:14:14 mircea_popescu: no one says you need a dielectric with conductive masks, you could use a conductor with dielectric masks ?

16:15:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities << you're right that it's the wrong thought, and also, "customary" - honestly even making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost, is well worth it.

16:16:37 mircea_popescu: !up wtf

16:20:47 jurov: how long it takes a z80 to make or verify ECDSA signature?

16:22:48 jurov: let's say it takes 10 cycles per average instruction, at 8MHz, ecdsa is about 500k steps

16:23:28 jurov: ;;calc 500000/(8000000/10)

16:23:29 gribble: 0.625

16:23:55 jurov: and i suspect i'm very optimistic about 500k steps = 500k 16bit instructions

16:24:57 jurov: lol it's 8bit actually xD

16:25:51 mircea_popescu: jurov this discussion is along the lines of "nobody will use bitcoin if transactions take > x arbitrary time"

16:26:08 mircea_popescu: this is false : when there is no alternative, no one "doesn't use" it because aesthetics.

16:26:48 nubbins`: !s portatronic

16:26:49 assbot: 13 results for 'portatronic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=portatronic

16:26:53 mircea_popescu: if the only way to make a secure signature is to take a day to do it, heck, you'll take a day.

16:26:58 mircea_popescu: people did business when it took a month.

16:27:06 jurov: so they'll use only because they can cook it at home?

16:27:16 kakobrekla: x arbitrary time < not when x approaches infinite

16:27:28 jurov: when there's a restaurant 1000x faster?

16:27:34 mircea_popescu: jurov there isn't.

16:27:48 mircea_popescu: that's the point. if there is we just use that.

16:28:00 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes, only for finite xen

16:28:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and hence this. << tis great, what.

16:29:38 kakobrekla: you actually dont have to go that far. for me 100years + is pretty much as good as infinite, as i dont expect to see it

16:29:46 jurov: what specifically "there isn't"?

16:29:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla agreed.

16:30:11 mircea_popescu: jurov there isn't hardware you can trust.

16:30:43 jurov: there is. teletype and such

16:30:51 mircea_popescu: but regardless, that's not how death comes to it. death comes to it like bitcoin came to the usd : first, it's a toy.

16:30:52 mircea_popescu: then...

16:30:56 jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu

16:31:21 mircea_popescu: i merely wish to point out that i had better games on the z80 than on the ipad.

16:31:38 jurov: but you certainly didn't have better crypto

16:31:46 mircea_popescu: but i did have better security.

16:31:54 nubbins`: ;;google "death comes quick for these types"

16:31:55 gribble: Influenza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza; Ebola virus disease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease; The Critical Issue of Life and Death - BuddhaNet: http://www.buddhanet.net/cbp2_f7.htm

16:32:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00043382 = 4.2731 BTC [+]

16:32:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` google doesn't get a joke >D

16:32:31 nubbins`: was actually wondering if a specific thing'd come up

16:32:35 jurov: as long as you made no transactions involving wires or floppies, then yes.

16:33:11 mircea_popescu: i did. but nobody had a clue to tap them.

16:33:13 jurov: or you seriously propose homebrew ICs just to be able to play 8bit stuff again?

16:33:39 mircea_popescu: not exactly. but to reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts and ideas.

16:33:43 Adlai: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9066090

16:33:45 assbot: So the question is - do we really want to keep our market economy and see if it ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bmaizk )

16:33:52 mircea_popescu: a large portion of the insecurity today is due to the fact that people like poettering CAN be involved.

16:34:06 mircea_popescu: the reason z80 era was secure was because governments, generally, COULD NOT be involved

16:34:11 mircea_popescu: for lack of intellectual capacity

16:34:26 mircea_popescu: (note i am discussing strictly soviet satellites here, obviously each place has its own golden age)

16:34:27 jurov: lol you idealize it. they were involved exactly because it was simple, unlike any crypto

16:34:43 jurov: no maffs nmecessary

16:34:54 mircea_popescu: i happen to know the guys and what they did, exhaustively and personally.

16:35:00 mircea_popescu: no idealization involved.

16:35:27 mircea_popescu: but perhaps excessive geo particularization, obv.

16:35:54 jurov: well, i know some too. very few of them improved so much that they would be able to implement bitcoin

16:36:23 jurov: like, statistical error

16:36:33 mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"

16:36:59 kakobrekla: Adlai stupid thread. just wait till you cant distinguish silicon from flesh.

16:37:21 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: when has it ever been easy to spot a mole?

16:37:23 mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure the us had this too, even if i wasn't there t o witness, for reasons like the beginning of gate's career, when he was a whiny turd outcast at computer conventions.

16:37:37 thestringpuller: Or at least a good one. Spies have gotten better methinks.

16:37:46 mircea_popescu: his rise in fact exactly mirrors this particular economic change, where shitgnomes finally became able to breach into computing.

16:37:49 Adlai: kakobrekla: s/silicon|flesh/lab-grown|organic/

16:37:52 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it generally is.

16:38:07 mircea_popescu: spies are worse than they ever were in the history of the world, with the exception of 1200.

16:38:14 Adlai: "sorry, i prefer to only have organic sex"

16:38:18 Adlai: !up thestringpuller

16:38:57 mircea_popescu: decimation: < 'leadership' at its finest << no, he has a point, and it's perhaps the first time i've seen obama say something intelligent.

16:38:58 Adlai: note that in this case both would technically be "organic", but one side has the moral superiority of whatever the "organic" buzzword stands for

16:39:23 mircea_popescu: what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"

16:39:29 mircea_popescu: but he says it decorously.

16:39:44 thestringpuller: Well you had ninjas and shit a millenium ago. Now you have "poor replication" or ninja.

16:39:49 thestringpuller: of ninja*

16:39:54 mircea_popescu: and his point is entirely valid : when it comes to idiocy, blaming obama is pointless. blame the public.

16:40:06 nubbins`: blaming the public is kinda pointless too

16:40:11 mircea_popescu: how so ?

16:40:16 mircea_popescu: i do not mean "the public" collectively.

16:40:20 nubbins`: might as well blame the wind. what's to gain?

16:40:21 nubbins`: o.

16:40:24 mircea_popescu: i mean, joint and several, every single individual, individually.

16:40:35 nubbins`: of course you do

16:40:43 nubbins`: 8)

16:40:45 mircea_popescu: ie, every single us citizen is to hang for the debt. himself. personally. for the whole sum of it, 50 trillion or w/e it is.

16:40:58 mircea_popescu: o, you don't have 50 trn ? fuck you, we're making soap. next.

16:41:46 kakobrekla: Adlai there doesn't have to be a difference to argue about it. See http://pwbelectronics.co.uk/whatamess.html

16:41:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmbFOr )

16:42:17 nubbins`: what's 50trn in real money

16:42:48 mircea_popescu: nubbins` one million detached houses would do.

16:43:14 mircea_popescu: alternatively, one could pay in heads of cattle. fifty billion of them or so.

16:43:39 mod6: ;;calc 21000000/50000000000000

16:43:39 gribble: 4.2e-07

16:43:53 mircea_popescu: or if not, we're repossessing all of the person's 5 billion cars, or whatever, 200 billion ipads.

16:43:57 mircea_popescu: got 200 billion ipads ?

16:44:10 mircea_popescu: o look, russia could buy america!!11

16:44:54 thestringpuller: ;;calc 50000000000000 / 21000000

16:44:55 gribble: 2380952.38095

16:45:23 mod6: thx tsp

16:46:47 mircea_popescu: i wonder what the prices for slaves would look like if the market was suddenly deluged with 300mn lazy, self entitled, "Consumers have come to expect" ish people.

16:47:03 mircea_popescu: i should probably buy Crop&Cane Inc shares.

16:47:28 thestringpuller: those people would make terrible slaves even if beaten

16:47:34 mod6: ^

16:48:01 thestringpuller: "ho -> housewife" or something rappers say

16:48:02 mod6: "Stop that! Get me a latte!"

16:48:48 mircea_popescu: that lasts for maybe an hour.

16:48:50 mircea_popescu: maybe.

16:49:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: either a 'loose lips' or - more likely - ancient disinfo reworked for www << that.

16:50:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes explain teh "Red queen" reference ?

16:55:55 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: evolutionary race thing

16:56:08 ben_vulpes: peacock feathers, gate sizes

16:57:07 mircea_popescu: van velen ?

16:58:03 mircea_popescu: ie, "gotta do all the running you can just to stay put" thing ?

16:58:15 ben_vulpes: yeah, that.

16:58:25 ben_vulpes: niche exhaustion.

16:58:30 mircea_popescu: yeah ok.

16:59:25 mircea_popescu: brendafdez :I could be running some shady business there instead... << wut ?!

16:59:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00043382 = 2.1257 BTC [+]

16:59:50 mircea_popescu: either this chick has the most bizarre sense of humor that also happens to not translate well, or else she's insane.

17:02:47 mircea_popescu: brendafdez: I was wondering if the Wordpress pingback DDoS is still an issue << it was never fixed. they just "Refactored" the code to preserve all th bugs but break people's ability to find them. someone in the comment section did the work and identified the new form of the ancient bug.

17:05:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023470 << i bashed it. and some earlier thing. this log rocked LOL

17:05:19 assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:19:21; ben_vulpes: that's like the second eyeroll i've had cuz of irc in 5 minutes

17:06:02 ben_vulpes: i kinda stopped watching the bash when my great bashes all got flushed

17:07:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023516 << i don't uinderstand... why making a statementy and signing it with the key in question is no good ?

17:07:07 assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:31:41; danielpbarron: stupid github thinks i'm not human; i figured gpg to asswot should be enough proof

17:07:15 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes aww which !?

17:07:33 ben_vulpes: gpg rules everything around me, for one

17:07:37 ben_vulpes: excellent wu tang reference

17:07:51 ben_vulpes: no wait

17:07:55 ben_vulpes: hashes rule everything around me?

17:07:58 ben_vulpes: i dunno

17:08:01 ben_vulpes: it was in the bash at one point

17:08:25 kakobrekla: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=16

17:08:26 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmgkQC )

17:08:54 ben_vulpes: ah shit old times

17:09:00 mircea_popescu: derp.

17:09:10 ben_vulpes: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4 << see what's gone now?

17:09:11 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmgqYu )

17:09:34 mircea_popescu: wut ?

17:09:43 ben_vulpes: all the points.

17:09:57 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: probably because the last thing i recall doing on github had something to do with making fun of gender pronouns << certainly.

17:10:15 mircea_popescu: because that's the libertard thinking, if anyone makes fun of his idiocy then therefore they may no longer exist

17:10:19 ben_vulpes: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=12 << baww lookit mike_c

17:10:20 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmgBml )

17:10:21 mircea_popescu: gotta preserve the stupid!

17:10:37 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wouldja be happier if there was a rng added to the vote counts ? :D

17:10:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00042284 = 6.258 BTC [-] {2}

17:10:58 ben_vulpes: neh can't trust it

17:11:19 mike_c: ben_vulpes: that was when I was auctioning off options in channel. the good old days.

17:12:03 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: "And if some high official, such as the president, says zhe will use gender-neutral pronouns for zher own writing, and ask that those writing to zhim do so also, that would provide a powerful boost." << conversely, if some hehigh officialman such as the manpresidentguy fucked a dog^H^H^H bitch

17:12:11 mircea_popescu: that'd ALSO give a boost. especially to news at 11.

17:13:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023575 << and zher rather than zhis is obviously because the argument isn't what it's being presented as, but something quite else entirely.

17:13:34 assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:49:27; nubbins`: Save us from confusing grammar such as “everyone must have their books.” Make it instead “everyone must have zher books.” It then becomes clear that each person must have one’s own book and not the books of all the others. It is also shorter and less awkward than having to say “his or her” all the time.

17:14:04 Adlai: obligatory mention of Black Mirror, in case nobody has seen it yet

17:14:06 kakobrekla: anyway theres 20 bashes waiting for moderation if someone wants to give it a go..

17:14:26 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla whoever next complains gets saddled with doing it for a month ?

17:14:47 kakobrekla: that could be punishing the readers

17:14:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, what happens once mp refuses to fork english to make the pronoun blocks more inclusive ?

17:14:58 ben_vulpes: bring back the rota

17:15:04 mircea_popescu: do we have a english sell war ?

17:15:17 Adlai: english is dead, we're speaking freenode

17:15:22 Adlai: or asslish

17:15:30 mircea_popescu: no. this is the king's english.

17:15:30 kakobrekla: !b 2

17:15:31 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1QEV33A.txt )

17:15:35 mircea_popescu: they're speaking w/e the fuck it is.

17:15:35 kakobrekla: 21

17:15:50 kakobrekla: meh mp broked it

17:16:18 Adlai: guy walking down a hedge, hears chanting behind a gap - "twenty one! twenty one! twenty one!"

17:16:19 mircea_popescu: who the fuck seriously thinks the their in "everyone must have their books" could possibly mean "all the books"

17:17:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: it's a hobby << you and danielpbarron have a lot more in common than either of you realise.

17:17:08 mircea_popescu: plus the beard.

17:18:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023592 << kinda easy when you have like, you know, an actual list of customers who are actually paying you. like... money.

17:18:34 assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:53:13; ben_vulpes: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/02/tech-leads-the-way/ << look, microshit beat facebutts!

17:19:00 mircea_popescu: it's a concept hard to zunderstand zfor zthe zretard zcrowd, however let us say it's "sort-of like likes", in that there's kind-of a limited supply.

17:20:00 mircea_popescu: btw, i bet you half a dead badger someone ejaculated on vs any trading card mythological beast that this entire z-ification of words is a ploy by some well connected (online) otaku to improve the scrabble board.

17:20:16 mircea_popescu: cause zhe is like all into scrabble and hates the lack of zwords so zhe made zsome.

17:20:53 mircea_popescu: nevermind that zenglish looks kinda like hungarian, and if he wanted zs for j and sz for sh he should just learn that instead of inventing "a new one".

17:22:18 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron btw, send me some pile of pogoplugs pics when you have a moment.

17:24:00 mircea_popescu: nubbins`:is anyone interested in donating a modicum of bandwidth to such a thing? << it's a kind-of stupid idea because a presynched chain is not verified.

17:24:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00085 = 2.125 BTC [+]

17:25:46 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: kinda tempted to buy like a hundred << do.

17:26:40 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: i guess no easy way to count << easy, like 60. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1004255

17:26:40 assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:18; mircea_popescu: people keep derping about uh oh, 7k nodes. BULLSHIT. we're down from 270k to 61.

17:27:28 mircea_popescu: incidentally, this point may be worth a qntra ? not exactly news, per se, but certainly would be news to a large section of "community"

17:27:55 Adlai: !up thestringpuller

17:29:23 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: it was gpg rules everything around me GREAM...get the hashes crypto crypto crypto coin. iirc

17:29:37 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: yeah mircea_popescu found the bash and everything

17:29:59 ben_vulpes: crypto crypto coin /y'all/

17:30:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00085 = 2.125 BTC [+]

17:30:06 thestringpuller: Ah just saw it.

17:30:20 thestringpuller: Wu Tang Cyrpto Financial.

17:30:58 mircea_popescu: "He has made an investment in up to 10k nodes that would be obsolete if Gavin pushes through his hard fork."

17:30:59 mircea_popescu: lmao wut.

17:31:07 thestringpuller: "you gotta diversify your crypto assets nigga"

17:31:18 mircea_popescu: dude, seriously, they need a lot better content, wtf.

17:32:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00044046 = 6.2545 BTC [+] {2}

17:33:01 mircea_popescu: ahh nice, caught up. alrighty, laters all!

17:36:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9914 @ 0.0004445 = 4.4068 BTC [+]

17:37:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00044466 = 7.4036 BTC [+] {2}

18:00:28 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/18/you-need-an-ambien-to-sleep-because-you-bought-the-trappings-of-power-instead-of-the-real-thing/

18:00:30 assbot: You need an Ambien to sleep because you bought the trappings of power instead of the real thing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3b1V6 )

18:01:43 pete_dushenski: more waterfalia coming: "U.S. Marshals to auction off 50,000 bitcoins forfeited by Silk Road founder - Reuters"

18:02:18 mike_c: they've sold what, 80k so far?

18:02:40 pete_dushenski: and alan "not a us agent" silbert is already pleading ignorance: "I don't recall- has the market ever gone down AFTER these auctions occur? B/c I don't think anybody buying at auction would dump them on mkt"

18:02:52 pete_dushenski: mike_c: sounds about right

18:03:36 pete_dushenski: fuckin eh this silbert guy thinks that he can avoid the fate of hearn and gavin

18:03:40 pete_dushenski: as if

18:08:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8107 @ 0.00041999 = 3.4049 BTC [-]

18:17:45 danielpbarron: height=200106 vs height=184384

18:18:48 danielpbarron: whenever i check in on these things, the solid state drive is usually busy processing new blocks, and the 5400 rpm pogo is busy discarding bogus data or whatever it does besides processing blocks

18:21:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.0004449 = 10.4552 BTC [+]

18:41:55 ben_vulpes: pete dooce

18:50:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14693 @ 0.00041881 = 6.1536 BTC [-] {2}

18:50:25 pete_dushenski: much better

18:51:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78439 @ 0.00041699 = 32.7083 BTC [-] {2}

18:58:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00041698 = 10.4662 BTC [-]

19:57:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5556 @ 0.00042193 = 2.3442 BTC [+]

20:17:20 danielpbarron: !up mogreen

20:39:07 PeterL: just did a "digital job interview" with BASF, consisted of just recording a video of me answering the typical interview questions.

20:39:55 PeterL: what is the world coming to when you talk to a computer instead of a person when interviewing for a job?

20:40:23 jurov: the computer asked the questions?

20:40:48 lobbes: after one of my last interviews I almost would've preferred that; the dude was so dejected it was depressing

20:40:49 PeterL: yes, well, they were printed on the screen, and I talk into the camera to answer

20:41:20 PeterL: if the guy interviewing you is dejected, doesn't that tell you something about the company?

20:41:25 danielpbarron: job interview should better take place on irc

20:41:29 lobbes: exactly why I didn't take it lol

20:41:46 lobbes: which I guess you can't glean from a computer, so..

20:42:43 danielpbarron: they get to pretent they are important by making you apply with an automation

20:43:03 PeterL: a couple jobs ago, when I interviewed the guy grabbed a random coworker and asked "don't you like working here", they were like "ummmmmmm, sure?" that should have been a sign, but I took job anyway

20:45:10 PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? Are they going to throw out my resume if I say too high a number? Obviously they won't go above the number I say, right?

20:45:51 PeterL: "I made X before, but I expect to be paid 2X (and I would take the job if you offer me 1/2 X)"

20:47:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 22381 @ 0.00028529 = 6.3851 BTC [+]

20:48:51 trinque: PeterL: "I would prefer to hear your offer and work from there."

20:49:09 trinque: that question is effectively "please sell yourself short so I don't have to"

20:52:44 PeterL: oh, and their website requires flash, which is no longer supports Linux systems or MacOS < 10.6, bleh (I ended up using my smartphone instead)

20:53:22 trinque: anyone have a fast node I can give deedbot btcd? it's got about a month left of catching up

20:53:26 trinque: danielpbarron: ? ^

20:53:37 danielpbarron: uh idk if mine is "fast"

20:53:42 danielpbarron: runs off a home internet connection

20:54:14 trinque: danielpbarron: k

20:54:22 danielpbarron: and in my experience, directly connecting to a node takes longer than just letting it discover peers, even when the direct connect is on the local area network

20:54:43 trinque: it seems to have one it likes atm

20:54:56 trinque: I'll just let it run unless anyone has a suggestion on how to make it hurry up

20:55:05 danielpbarron: although my experience in that regard is limited to pogo->pogo

20:55:27 danielpbarron: the bottleneck there is probably not ethernet speed

20:55:39 trinque: probably disk IO eh?

20:56:25 danielpbarron: well yeah disk IO is the bottleneck for one syncing with the network; i think it's another matter when one is trying to seed *while* still syncing

20:56:39 danielpbarron: maybe also disk IO

20:57:13 danielpbarron: i was hoping to conserve bandwidth by having one feed the other, but it just slowed them down

20:57:47 trinque: I'm running at about a block every 45sec to 1:30 on 339018

20:57:59 danielpbarron: sounds about right

21:47:09 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/usms-announce-yet-another-bitcoin-auction/

21:51:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5931 @ 0.00042193 = 2.5025 BTC [+]

21:52:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3519 @ 0.00042678 = 1.5018 BTC [+]

21:54:31 cazalla: going back to the circle selfie request from earlier, wonder how much of this they get https://www.reddit.com/comments/2wai34/slug/cop45k9

21:54:33 assbot: murzika comments on We Deserve A Better Bitcoin Experience Than Circle ... ( http://bit.ly/1vXUXUf )

22:48:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00043936 = 1.6037 BTC [+]

23:02:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00042356 = 2.7531 BTC [-]

23:13:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00042356 = 2.2872 BTC [-]

23:38:12 mod6: ;;calc 1000000000000000/13853000

23:38:14 gribble: 72186529.9935

23:38:54 mod6: ;;calc 50000000000000/72186529.99

23:38:54 gribble: 692650.000034

23:39:31 mod6: so given 1qd dollars, 50tn would be ~700k btc

23:40:27 mod6: 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9

23:44:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20974 @ 0.00043936 = 9.2151 BTC [+]

23:51:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00043257 = 8.4784 BTC [-] {2}

23:53:44 *: jurov got compelled to check 1FundZy to check for anything interesting

23:53:52 jurov: no trillions, sadly

23:54:51 mod6: so apparently global wealth was ~$263Tn in 2014

23:55:20 mod6: ;;calc 263000000000000/13853000

23:55:20 gribble: 18985057.3883

23:55:38 mod6: ;;calc 50000000000000/18985057.3883

23:55:38 gribble: 2633650.19011

23:55:54 jurov: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?114020-Systemd-Gets-An-Fsck-Daemon-Service&p=472061#post472061 << lol a real cult

23:55:55 assbot: Systemd Gets An Fsck Daemon/Service - Page 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDtQyx )

23:56:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14524 @ 0.00043936 = 6.3813 BTC [+]

23:56:59 jurov: and all the incantations before it

23:58:45 jurov: "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution"