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Transcript for 18-03-2015, 1273 lines:

00:01:57 BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`

00:02:11 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: How's your EM storm?

00:02:19 nubbins`: uneventful

00:03:03 BingoBoingo: Sun down yet? Checking for Auroraussifdhauh;wjd;if

00:06:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104128 @ 0.00032631 = 33.978 BTC [+] {2}

00:07:50 thestringpuller: nubbins`: did you get Eulora to run?

00:08:51 mircea_popescu: http://news.yahoo.com/dursts-letter-helped-prosecutors-bring-murder-charge-071512902.html << so is this "the dekulakization is proceeding apace" or is it "insane criminal accidentally confesses" ?

00:08:54 assbot: Police searching Houston home of millionaire Robert Durst - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AVVwcP )

00:09:14 nubbins`: too cloudy for 'em here!

00:09:17 nubbins`: thestringpuller nah

00:11:21 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << so is this "the dekulakization is proceeding apace" or is it "insane criminal accidentally confesses" ? << One of the Vic's is a "Mob Bosses" daughter so it is time to bring out all the grains of salt.

00:16:24 mircea_popescu: i dunno what value a 3 year old audio testimony produced by a media company with ample access to recordings of the person's voice could be worth in court.

00:16:39 mircea_popescu: if it is worth anything, it is worth anything only through the sheer ignorance / ample cupidity of the jury.

00:16:51 thestringpuller: isn't that the point of a jury?

00:17:07 mircea_popescu: otherwise, i could probably make an audiotrack of obama confessing his erotic dreams of stalin.

00:17:32 nubbins`: thestringpuller actually yes. i did get eulora to run

00:17:38 nubbins`: didn't get it to accept kbd/mouse input

00:17:44 thestringpuller: what platform?

00:17:44 nubbins`: this was a while ago

00:17:46 nubbins`: osx

00:17:50 nubbins`: natch

00:18:19 thestringpuller: ah. damn. i'm trying on ubuntu using chetty 's setup. almost got it. just cal3d is invisible for some reason

00:18:30 thestringpuller: soon. progress. stuff.

00:18:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins` if memory serves the stuff was upgraded once since hten

00:18:56 nubbins`: check against the linux as well as osx install guide on the wiki, might be of some help

00:18:59 nubbins`: mp o!

00:20:42 nubbins`: then maybe i'll have another go

00:22:08 nubbins`: is 0.0.4 latest? that's the one i was messing w/

00:22:53 mircea_popescu: it's latest but old. a new one is in the pipe so give it a few.

00:24:24 danielpbarron: i got eulora to work on gentoo

00:24:33 mircea_popescu: o hey!

00:24:39 danielpbarron: i collected items and talked to npcs

00:24:53 danielpbarron: this was weeks ago

00:25:35 mircea_popescu: seems gentoo is going to be a major platform for eulora beta / many things we do.

00:26:28 ben_vulpes: wai no

00:26:31 danielpbarron: at this point i consider gentoo to be the only linux (worth using)

00:26:31 mircea_popescu: should be remembered as "the costs of systemd".

00:26:48 danielpbarron: and openbsd the only bsd

00:27:16 ben_vulpes: gentoo doesn't have systemd?

00:27:31 danielpbarron: it's optional and not default

00:27:39 mircea_popescu: more easily fixed than the rest of 'em.

00:27:55 mircea_popescu: nobody has so far taken a strong "fuck you, and red hat, and the usg" stance. it is likely they never will,

00:28:13 mircea_popescu: preferring instead to write plaintive missives of no value ten years later, like the netbsd derp.

00:28:35 mircea_popescu: "here's how stupid i was and here's what you could learn from it : don't EVER go with the libertard ideology, ever."

00:28:53 mircea_popescu: except not really saying that, because hey, still same dumb, ten years older.

00:33:30 ben_vulpes: and i assume that crystalspace won't build on openbsd?

00:33:52 ben_vulpes: i mean if one's to go off the deep end, why not...go off the deep end?

00:34:38 mircea_popescu: i don't see why not ? c is c.

00:34:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, jurov found a guy willing to do the windows stuff, so there's going to be that, too.

00:35:01 mircea_popescu: im curious how it'll work out.

00:35:17 ben_vulpes: i don't see why not either

00:35:20 ben_vulpes: except that it's not happening.

00:35:37 ben_vulpes: i'd rather assume asshats have good reason for doing what they're doing and that seems the most obvious reason.

00:35:44 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0c02c9667532ac3adc5e91e231a12a95/tumblr_mm6fa8ZxQe1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg

00:35:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AW1kD0 )

00:36:15 mircea_popescu: im open for someone to maintain an openbsd binary.

00:36:35 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/open-binary-maintenance-for-eulora/ < relevant

00:36:35 assbot: [OPEN] Binary maintenance for Eulora pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AW1uKN )

00:36:47 ben_vulpes: lol well i can't imagine you'd be against it

00:37:03 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: maybe also have update script for dependencies?

00:37:23 thestringpuller: at least windows games install directX before they attempt to install themselves :P

00:38:01 BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> and openbsd the only bsd << If you tuck it safely behind a wall, FreeBSD kicks ass on storage.

00:38:13 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it'll be the maintainer's lot.

00:50:18 mircea_popescu: http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man << worth a chuckle.

00:50:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DznX77 )

00:53:18 mircea_popescu: "Far be it for me to question the veracity of claims made by screenshots of anonymous comments from 4chan, but did anyone bother to stop and ask why a man would be dancing in a room full of people wearing coats?"

00:58:13 BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch

00:58:34 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/largest-bitcoin-bet-resolved/

00:59:25 mod6: lol, moby offered "services"

00:59:44 mod6: maddox++

01:00:47 mircea_popescu: maddox is like nubbins` on steroids.

01:00:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice!

01:01:03 BingoBoingo: You're welcome mircea_popescu

01:03:40 mircea_popescu: in other news, assisted mating : http://41.media.tumblr.com/2a0f9ef7d972e3448902da6081a00b08/tumblr_mzp6phkXAY1scedu9o1_1280.jpg

01:03:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzqDlo )

01:07:24 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> and i assume that crystalspace won't build on openbsd? << Don't see how it could be much worse than bitcoin-qt, which is why I am severely undrqualified for this

01:11:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114850 @ 0.00032713 = 37.5709 BTC [+] {2}

01:15:13 BingoBoingo: "Because if we've learned nothing from Martin Luther King Jr., and we haven't, true diversity comes not from the content of our character, but the color of our skin. And which genitals we have."

01:15:57 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers,

01:16:03 asciilifeform: from macrofab: 'We received your boards today, we expect to have review complete and the boards working as expected tomorrow, I will keep you posted!'

01:16:20 *: asciilifeform skeptical

01:18:34 BingoBoingo: I'm just thrilled that it appears counterfieting and mislabling just might be so rampant that nothing digital would work if it had to meet analogue standards

01:19:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: vendor insists they tested 50 random Rs from spool

01:19:20 asciilifeform: and found none that match my description of the four that ended up on the boards.

01:19:33 asciilifeform: 'my lying eyes'

01:20:20 asciilifeform: incidentally, had i done anything other than what i did - ordering sample rng first - would likely have noticed nothing.

01:21:14 BingoBoingo: Vegans still eat grain even though their eyes don't see the blood of the mice rats, cats, and coons slaughtered by the combine on each grain.

01:22:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: somebody ought to sell these schmucks a simple protein assayer

01:22:14 asciilifeform: undergrad-level problem.

01:22:25 asciilifeform: and make'em squirm

01:22:50 BingoBoingo: A charitable to the vendor interpretation here is that USPS didn't know you had door camera and you didn't know USPS's official address attached to your domicile is Fort Mead

01:22:58 *: asciilifeform wonder what the cat ppm is of grain

01:23:11 nubbins`: easy enough to find out the allowed max

01:23:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the mail did get in later that day.

01:23:57 asciilifeform: if enemy action - straight sabotage, rather than subversion

01:24:26 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, my mail occasionally gets registered a bit early or late too. I write it off to lazy mailmail scanning everything at once. Still how lond would it take intermediate site to sabotage

01:24:26 asciilifeform: though there might live somewhere a nitwit so astonoshingly stupid that he might imagine that rng might be screwed into a live battlefield system without test of any kind.

01:25:20 BingoBoingo: Well the partial sybill uncovered spynodes because deviance

01:26:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " I am severely undrqualified for this" said every virgin at her defloration party.

01:27:07 mircea_popescu: i suppose they don't do those statesides ?

01:27:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps my (1980s) multimeter lies. or i'm simply retarded. or, or, or.

01:27:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe tell them that if they provide you with a full diagnosis / story of what happened you'll publish the whole thing on your blog,

01:28:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure if that would encourage or discourage the poor buggers

01:28:21 mircea_popescu: and that they should prolly take advantage of the opportunity seeing how it's widely read by the world's elite such as for instance mpex discussion.

01:28:32 mircea_popescu: but who cares what the effect is ? :)

01:28:38 nubbins`: my arms are cancelled from all that shovelling

01:28:41 asciilifeform: the only reason they even pretend to do this ritual is the dream, i'd guess, of repeat business

01:28:49 asciilifeform: no one breaks a sweat over <1 benjie

01:28:51 mircea_popescu: quite.

01:29:02 mircea_popescu: they may also be doing it for the principle of the thing.

01:29:08 asciilifeform: entirely possible

01:29:15 mircea_popescu: well so then.

01:29:23 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i suppose they don't do those statesides ? << Only for the cool virgins

01:29:34 mircea_popescu: yeah kinda how it works.

01:29:45 mod6: anyone wanna give v0.5.3.1 RC1 a try? http://thebitcoin.foundation/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RC1.tar.gz

01:29:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzwqY3 )

01:31:18 mod6: a2d54ff7eebca1340adbe4119eb542db5db0865676b1344f6beaa5fdd0ae6cd8 bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RC1.tar.gz

01:32:35 mircea_popescu: better snow than shit ey nubbins` ?

01:33:07 nubbins`: you assume 8)

01:33:28 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i actually shovelled snow myself.

01:33:35 BingoBoingo: I'm just glad out snow seems over, lilacs started waking up this week

01:33:40 nubbins`: imagine! :D

01:33:54 nubbins`: light and fluffy or 80% liquid water?

01:34:21 nubbins`: large amt of both types on the ground today ;/

01:34:21 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/jos-basescu/ << 2012.

01:34:22 assbot: Jos Basescu! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACPej8 )

01:35:09 asciilifeform: "the costs of systemd" << wai wat was this

01:35:43 mircea_popescu: "eulora on gentoo, everything else on gentoo, fu."

01:35:51 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gentoo doesn't have systemd? << complicated. if you follow the install described in the Handbook, you will almost certainly end up with systemd

01:36:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00031178 = 15.8072 BTC [-] {4}

01:37:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know it occurs to me a broad systemd test script would be useful

01:37:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: test script ?

01:37:53 asciilifeform: as in, for presence thereof? it's trivial, check the process list

01:38:03 BingoBoingo: nubbins`> large amt of both types on the ground today ;/ << This year aside from October we've just been all light and fluffy

01:38:09 mircea_popescu: it can't run unless it has pid 0 ?

01:38:10 asciilifeform: the thing mutilates the entire system in such ways that there can be no confusion whatsoever about its presence

01:38:17 mircea_popescu: coming up next in game of thrones, http://40.media.tumblr.com/083af2dfaee0ff56b152fe153fa1dce9/tumblr_mtmcqoGtT81r59rt8o1_1280.jpg

01:38:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACPVZN )

01:39:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu saw the g.o.t. ?

01:39:40 BingoBoingo: Serious game of throne http://fap.to/images/50/1477125326/fetish-porn/girls-naked-on-the-toilet-4.jpg

01:39:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACQdzy )

01:40:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: l0l

01:40:49 asciilifeform: 'wide stance' (TM)

01:41:04 asciilifeform: (uttered by american politician, even)

01:41:28 BingoBoingo: Larry Craig (tm)

01:41:56 mircea_popescu: got ?

01:42:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: game of thrones

01:42:15 mircea_popescu: ah, no. im peripherally aware of it cuz coupla of de girlz are fans

01:42:26 asciilifeform: (exists as a barely readable book series, and a very lulzy tv series)

01:43:43 BingoBoingo: It's basically another hairy twatter fanfic, still not as good as the woodchipper one

01:43:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope

01:44:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not all bad phantasy is riff on hp

01:44:26 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It didn't start that way, but it is headed there.

01:44:38 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's a whole world of it. traditionally dominated by bad tolkien riffs, but GOT isn't one of these either

01:45:50 asciilifeform: for gentoo n00bz:

01:46:16 asciilifeform: use 'eudev' instead of 'udev'. this zaps the shitgnomotron of artificial dependency on systemd in device hotplugger

01:47:15 asciilifeform: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd << aaaand there's a bit of instruction here

01:47:16 assbot: Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACRzdG )

01:47:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110683 @ 0.00030836 = 34.1302 BTC [-] {2}

01:47:47 asciilifeform: summary: add '-systemd' to USE flags

01:47:58 asciilifeform: and mask systemd and udev in package.mask.

01:48:38 asciilifeform: do this -before- emerging world, or any individual package likely to pull in systemd-isms for that matter.

01:48:38 *: BingoBoingo is perfectly happy to admit his beloved Breaking Bad is just MacBeth fanfic

01:49:05 *: asciilifeform is curious whether anyone here 1) does gentoo 2) did not know above recipe

01:52:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from what i've seen they mostly do "bad actors in bad period costumes and elevator scripts"

01:53:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the idiocy of how linux nowadays handles dependencies makes me fucking hate the entire thing.

01:53:19 mircea_popescu: really, solitaire is dependent on networking ? fuck the whole lot of them.

01:53:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gentoo is afaik the last remaining bastion of sanity re: dependencies

01:53:38 asciilifeform: which is to say, they are actually controllable

01:53:43 trinque: -pulseaudio is another good one

01:53:52 trinque: also -dbus

01:53:55 mircea_popescu: "the last remaining bastion " >> http://40.media.tumblr.com/bab78269d215cf75ed1df862a19e1494/tumblr_mz3c8j5Dmq1s0f482o1_1280.jpg

01:53:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACSOJZ )

01:54:07 nubbins`: have never used gentoo

01:54:37 mircea_popescu: nubbins` me either. nor would i have considered it, pre debian showing all the leadership of a stale clump of bread.

01:55:05 *: asciilifeform went straight from msdos to freebsd, then gentoo

01:55:07 nubbins`: i diddled with slackware in my teens, have used debian or a derivation thereof since

01:55:09 mircea_popescu: meanwhile /me has ordered gentoo researched and will probably migrate.

01:55:15 mircea_popescu: exactly

01:55:16 *: asciilifeform this being whole of what he ever used on pc arch

01:55:16 nubbins`: linux-wise, anyway

01:55:19 mircea_popescu: half my shit is still on sarge

01:56:09 *: asciilifeform was never eager to run other folks' binaries if there was a way of avoiding it, purely because it never seems to work reasonably well on linux (i always got 'lucky' and libc mismatched)

01:56:56 nubbins`: i recall using VMS on a work term once

01:56:58 nubbins`: bizarre os

01:57:06 *: asciilifeform likes various gentoo-specific things like automagic cross-compiler toolchain builder

01:57:17 asciilifeform: i do a great bit of cross-compilation.

01:57:25 nubbins`: and my last job, most of the place was mainframes running IBM i

01:57:57 asciilifeform: vms is very interesting from historic perspective and any serious reader of 'the unix hater's handbook' should give it a spin out of purely that

01:57:58 decimation: nubbins`: the aurora should be slightly visible, if you have a dark sky

01:58:09 nubbins`: decimation i'm just outta range

01:58:20 nubbins`: like almost the only place in .ca out of range

01:58:22 decimation: chetty: the G4 global storm is a global phenomenon, still ongoing

01:58:48 decimation: it is maximal opposite the sun; it will move south during the night

01:59:50 decimation: the powerline impacts are probably not detectable on your local line, they affect long distance transmission lines

02:00:25 danielpbarron: 09:48 <+asciilifeform> summary: add '-systemd' to USE flags << ah yes i forgot i had done this

02:01:20 danielpbarron: i have pulseaudio though; why is that bad?

02:01:55 mircea_popescu: it's meh. kinda-works. poettering's previous project.

02:02:43 nubbins`: ppp

02:03:52 mircea_popescu: lol

02:06:08 mircea_popescu: http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/97789680783/chapter-18-what << this shit's something else.

02:06:09 assbot: Wading In — Chapter 18 - What? ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACV0Bb )

02:06:14 mircea_popescu: copilul anal, totally.

02:11:19 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/97789680783/chapter-18-what << this shit's something else. << It gets more broken

02:11:20 assbot: Wading In — Chapter 18 - What? ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACVXtj )

02:12:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67554 @ 0.00032508 = 21.9605 BTC [+]

02:17:38 mircea_popescu: !up coalbe

02:21:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93850 @ 0.00032762 = 30.7471 BTC [+] {3}

02:24:43 decimation: re: systemd-free gentoo < http://www.funtoo.org/Welcome < there's also funtoo which is apparently a light variant on gentoo which specifically excludes systemd

02:24:44 assbot: Funtoo Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cr7dO3 )

02:25:05 decimation: I haven't used it, but it ought to deliver a gentoo-like experience (uses the same repository afaik)

02:25:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159013 @ 0.00030578 = 48.623 BTC [-] {3}

02:26:35 BingoBoingo: !up TheNewDeal

02:26:38 decimation: daniel robbins (original man behind gentoo) runs funtoo

02:26:46 TheNewDeal: Why thank you

02:27:20 TheNewDeal: ;;Later tell TomServo Ill be around wednesday evening to Sunday evening. Send me a message

02:27:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:33:52 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.brendafdez.1:223f3415b24ac435db9d16f55b3ba58fe472795065787d7fcf3bf3a418da91af

02:33:52 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for brendafdez with note: no such thing as a chick that can pgp

02:35:18 nubbins`: with a name like funtoo

02:38:19 decimation: apparently john carmack is a fan of the 'racket' language

02:39:05 mircea_popescu: lmao

02:41:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22199 @ 0.00030356 = 6.7387 BTC [-]

02:44:07 decimation: apparently it's a scheme variant with tons of junk glommed on

02:48:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120372 @ 0.0002981 = 35.8829 BTC [-] {2}

02:48:48 BingoBoingo: I'll check again in a couple hours, bu we may have aurora building visible here

02:50:00 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/03/17/is-using-encryption-suspicious-half-of-americans-say-yes-according-to-pew/ < "http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/03/17/is-using-encryption-suspicious-half-of-americans-say-yes-according-to-pew/" < lolz

02:50:01 assbot: Is using encryption suspicious? Half of Americans say yes, according to Pew. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrawES )

02:50:15 decimation: doh stupid cut "Though the report found that a majority of Americans are skeptical of government surveillance programs, it also found very few are taking the extra step of encrypting the content of their e-mails. In fact, half of those surveyed said using encryption software gives the government enough suspicion to monitor a U.S. citizen's communications."

02:50:59 BingoBoingo: decimation: You have to remember that ~98% of Americans made the mistake of voting for Obummer or Romney

02:51:07 decimation: heh yeah

02:51:12 decimation: and then again

02:51:29 decimation: Obummer or Mccain, even when ron paul was on the ticket (for primary)

02:51:31 nubbins`: 98% voter turnout? :0

02:51:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59636 @ 0.00030356 = 18.1031 BTC [+]

02:52:31 asciilifeform: 'racket' << iirc it was the thing formerly 'plt scheme'

02:52:33 BingoBoingo: <decimation> Obummer or Mccain, even when ron paul was on the ticket (for primary) << Insuffiecient information at the time to blame eeveryone for voting "generic sharp black kid" over the lich

02:52:46 *: asciilifeform originally learned scheme on 'plt'

02:52:50 asciilifeform: and even taught to a girl

02:53:10 decimation: BingoBoingo: actually that reminds me of a funny quote on the econtalk podcast: "Reminds me of when I tried in 1976--I was in a shopping mall in North Carolina trying to get the Libertarian candidate, Roger McBride, on the ballot. One of my few forays into politics. I would accost passers by and ask them if they would like to see a third party and have another choice, and many of them would say: We have too many already."

02:53:17 decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2011/09/winston_on_lawy.html

02:53:18 assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1CraX23 )

02:53:32 decimation: asciilifeform: so you would endorse taking a look at 'racket'?

02:53:36 asciilifeform: no.

02:54:06 decimation: in your blog, you say that scheme is too 'minimal' to be useful

02:54:38 asciilifeform: as described in r5rs - yes

02:54:44 BingoBoingo: decimation: My one legit referendum petition I remember signing was when I was living in Missouri. It is Mardi Gras and I signed the legalize the marijuana petition because fuck west county

02:54:46 asciilifeform: as described in subsequent documents - poetteringized

02:55:06 decimation: ah, I see.

02:55:33 *: BingoBoingo drilling python some more realizing to do what I want prolly need to drill perl and C

02:56:13 decimation: BingoBoingo: apparently you could just drive to to colorado

02:57:10 BingoBoingo: decimation: On St. Patricks day? After mircea_popescu lost the Berkshire bet? I'm fine taking in the Aurorae as a faint green glow.

02:57:37 decimation: BingoBoingo: I don't mind python, but realize it's just kind of a c with lisp ideas thrown in

03:02:42 BingoBoingo: <decimation> BingoBoingo: I don't mind python, but realize it's just kind of a c with lisp ideas thrown in << I'm just looking to populate a toolbox.

03:02:52 BingoBoingo: For mundane taks

03:02:55 BingoBoingo: *tasks

03:03:28 *: asciilifeform has a radio scanner running for unrelated reasons, picked up the well-known alex jones, quoth 'soros funded ferguson...' - then disappears in jamming noise

03:03:39 asciilifeform: or possibly the solar flare

03:03:43 decimation: heh

03:04:50 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or possibly the solar flare << Direction of solar flare fun from here is line of site to downtown (granted not huge downtown) and walmart LED lights.

03:05:25 BingoBoingo: Maybe placebo, but at last check tint to lights a bit greener than usual for such clear skies.

03:05:44 decimation: the aurora is actually caused by particles spiraling down the the magnetic field lines, the solar flare that sent them here was over days ago

03:05:51 BingoBoingo: This being middle west though nothing about sky can be trusted.

03:06:09 asciilifeform: decimation: elementary 'dynamo' situation

03:06:13 asciilifeform: same as nuke emp.

03:06:26 BingoBoingo: decimation: I thought it made contact about 24 hours ago, not quite finished with contact?

03:06:34 decimation: yeah pretty much. that's why it causes a danger to long conductors, sets up currents through 'ground'

03:06:42 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> same as nuke emp. << Speed differs

03:06:49 asciilifeform: well yes.

03:07:16 asciilifeform: '...no survival kit is complete without silver bullets...' -- radio

03:07:28 *: asciilifeform lulz1ng

03:07:35 decimation: BingoBoingo: the main body of particles has passed, but the earth's magnetic field is still bouncing around in its wake

03:07:42 asciilifeform: '...put a wall between you and... irs'

03:07:54 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> '...no survival kit is complete without silver bullets...' -- radio << About as easy to cast as lead

03:07:59 asciilifeform: but wtf.

03:07:59 decimation: asciilifeform: are you listening to 'coast to coast' on am?

03:08:03 asciilifeform: that's some serious sp4m

03:08:14 nubbins`: you pick up some bizarre things on shortwave sometimes

03:08:15 asciilifeform: 4.85 Mhz

03:08:29 decimation: shortwave in the us is a desert of crazy

03:08:37 decimation: at least, broadcast anyway

03:09:18 *: BingoBoingo steeling up for the prospect of walking halway to St Rose at for the prospect of seeing a smidge of green in the sky.

03:09:43 danielpbarron: i'm reading the quoted radio text in that alex jones voice in my head

03:09:58 *: BingoBoingo would consider driving if he hadn't started the libations 10 hours ago.

03:10:59 decimation: asciilifeform: you might be listening to WWCR transmitter #3

03:11:08 decimation: schedule here http://www.wwcr.com/

03:11:09 assbot: WWCR.com | Home - WWCR Shortwave, Nashville, Tennessee, USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crd8Td )

03:11:24 decimation: it could also be a harmonic of some local am broadcaster

03:12:09 *: BingoBoingo thinks eventually qntra should distribute RSS over number station

03:12:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you wanna pay for this...

03:12:56 nubbins`: ;;google raspberry pi pirate radio

03:12:56 gribble: Raspberry Pirate Radio - Make: | Make:: http://makezine.com/projects/make-38-cameras-and-av/raspberry-pirate-radio/; Start a Pirate Radio Station with a Raspberry Pi and a Single Wire: http://lifehacker.com/start-a-pirate-radio-station-with-a-raspberry-pi-and-a-1538837219; Weekend Projects - Raspberry Pirate Radio - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBb8BN0dqoQ

03:12:57 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Give it two decades. 1 GW at 440 HZ

03:13:03 nubbins`: works until you get v&

03:13:56 BingoBoingo: When mircea_popescu's comfotable in New Reno should be perfectly feasible

03:14:31 BingoBoingo: What else is the Hoover Damn or its remains going to be sending power too?

03:14:36 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Is using encryption suspicious? Half of Americans say yes, according to Pew << half of americans also think an mit degree means basic electric competence.

03:16:23 asciilifeform: goddammnit

03:16:39 mircea_popescu: ?

03:16:39 asciilifeform: [censored].155 Mhz has my keyboard

03:16:50 BingoBoingo: So in News, disorderly conduct has moved from series of incompletable bench trials to Hearing today.

03:16:56 asciilifeform: fucktardation

03:17:06 *: asciilifeform was actually looking for precisely it, and found it

03:17:27 BingoBoingo: Hearing in May

03:18:03 decimation: asciilifeform: my suggestion: lots of ferrite

03:19:21 asciilifeform: not coming from the cable

03:19:23 asciilifeform: (shielded)

03:19:49 BingoBoingo: Erect around mudhut, ground well? https://gensteel.com/

03:19:52 assbot: Steel Buildings | Steel Building & Metal Building Quotes ... ( http://bit.ly/1EuGv6e )

03:20:55 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not in mud hut

03:21:14 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> '...no survival kit is complete without silver bullets...' << this is actually a lot more sensible than it seems. silver has some good chars for making a bullet.

03:21:33 asciilifeform: vs pb ?

03:21:35 asciilifeform: how ?

03:22:13 BingoBoingo: Silver's a bit harder, still soft enough for rifling. Just not quite as dense as pb

03:22:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because doesn't blunt quite as much on impact

03:22:43 *: asciilifeform found yet another harmonic

03:22:48 mircea_popescu: less like frozen shit, so to speak

03:22:53 *: asciilifeform is -not- happy with his discovery

03:23:21 BingoBoingo: Excellent chumpatron could be had selling silver bullets at $5 - 45 per round for "When your life depends on it"

03:23:33 mircea_popescu: i think it's being done already.

03:24:37 *: mircea_popescu sits patiently waiting to see what alf finds in his kbd now

03:24:55 BingoBoingo: Of all the silly james bond premises the man with the gold gun seemed one of the more feasible ones.

03:25:01 asciilifeform: it's an ordinary '80s ps/2 kbd.

03:25:12 asciilifeform: i knew they are loud, did not know -how-

03:26:12 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gold is pretty atrocious a material to make guns out of.

03:26:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is it audible if unplugged ?

03:26:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The gun itself yes, the bullet, no

03:26:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: +5dB when key repeating

03:27:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: otherwise just atmospheric static uncorrelated with distance of antenna from device

03:27:08 mircea_popescu: sure, gold bullet might work.

03:27:15 mircea_popescu: not so different from what the us is doing currently.

03:27:34 mircea_popescu: "would have been cheaper to buy afghanistan than to conquer it was"

03:27:43 BingoBoingo: Du's prolly close to the optimal choice though

03:28:52 asciilifeform: ... aaaand another harmonic

03:30:36 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/so-hows-magic-work/

03:31:31 BingoBoingo: !up gabrielradio

03:37:03 asciilifeform: .... and another harmonic

03:37:29 decimation: asciilifeform: it could be from the cord

03:38:08 asciilifeform: mnope.

03:38:13 asciilifeform: specifically keyboard microcontroller.

03:38:34 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, but something is radiating it presumably?

03:38:42 asciilifeform: decimation: scan matrix

03:44:04 decimation: asciilifeform: there might be little you can do unless you are willing to modify the internal circuitry

03:44:12 asciilifeform: decimation: more than willing

03:44:16 decimation: some ferrite might help, but it takes quite a bit to make a difference

03:45:44 decimation: www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf < I recommend this

03:45:49 mircea_popescu: actually... just add rng in circuit.

03:45:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think, scan matrix

03:47:09 decimation: common mode chokes create an impedence to the common mode circuit - you would have to pass both signal and ground through them. a mix #43 toroid with several turns of both signal and ground would help

03:47:14 asciilifeform: http://www.dribin.org/dave/keyboard/one_html << likbez

03:47:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EuIIyC )

03:47:20 asciilifeform: decimation: not coming from the cable!

03:47:40 decimation: asciilifeform: I understand, I'm talking about the connection between the microprocessor and the scan array

03:47:51 asciilifeform: the array itself appears to radiate also.

03:47:56 decimation: yes

03:47:59 asciilifeform: which is entirely unsurprising

03:48:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i understnad how the matrix thing works.

03:48:07 asciilifeform: to anyone who was awake in kindergarten

03:48:15 asciilifeform: likbez for ze n00bz

03:48:21 mircea_popescu: fact remains you can add a chunk to generate fake keypresses right next to it.

03:48:28 mircea_popescu: you are immune to it, yourself, because wires.

03:48:36 mircea_popescu: spy however can't discern

03:48:41 decimation: the other solution is to insert a differential filter (lowpass) in the actual scan array circuit

03:49:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ideal materials for this artistic project is controller from identical kbd, with keyswitch faker attached

03:49:15 mircea_popescu: well, or can use your own rng.

03:49:17 decimation: which may have obvious side effects on the circuitry

03:49:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes but to have precisely same radiating profile

03:49:37 mircea_popescu: well yea, will take some tinkering.

03:50:18 *: asciilifeform could probably achieve more with an actual spectrum analyzer, but would have to sell organs

03:50:41 decimation: does your o-scope have a 'spectrum analyzer' mode?

03:51:03 asciilifeform: decimation: yes but entirely useless for this application.

03:51:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147533 @ 0.00032249 = 47.5779 BTC [+] {2}

03:51:42 asciilifeform: decimation: the rf amp is the golden toilet

03:52:03 asciilifeform: i only have the equivalent of a 'copper toilet' here.

03:53:04 decimation: actually your scanner would be a halfass alternative

03:53:18 decimation: you can at least measure relative signal strength at select frequencies

03:53:24 asciilifeform: decimation: what do you suppose i was using.

03:54:13 asciilifeform: (it's an ancient rs232-controlled scanner, and handheld antenna over 50ohm coax)

03:54:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42298 @ 0.00033536 = 14.1851 BTC [+]

03:54:49 decimation: heh the icom pcr-1000?

03:55:00 asciilifeform: 100

03:55:26 decimation: I have the 1000, it's a good unit

03:55:27 *: asciilifeform wonders if -everybody- has this one

03:59:08 decimation: there was a windows tool that turned the pcr-1000 into a spectrum analyzer - not fast but it kinda worked

03:59:53 asciilifeform: any machine-controllable scanner with machine-readable output is a (very) poor man's spectrum analyzer.

04:00:57 decimation: aye. the problem is that the sweep rate is usually very low

04:01:03 decimation: and the res bandwidth is not small

04:01:44 decimation: yeah here's the tool: http://qsy.to/pcr/talkpcr.html < works for pcr-100

04:01:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EuJXOi )

04:01:47 asciilifeform: to round out the keyboard thread, i am quite close to being convinced of the necessity of keyboard with optical fiber for mechanism

04:02:25 asciilifeform: or, failing that, mechanical vibration (as in early 'spark gap' cad tablets of the '70s)

04:02:29 decimation: asciilifeform: you could use the telegraph keyer like that ru chick

04:03:03 asciilifeform: decimation: damnably poor idea - easy 'optical tempest' intercept if anyone can see your body move

04:03:28 decimation: well, yeah but presumably normal keyboard is also vulnerable?

04:03:34 asciilifeform: not to same extent

04:04:57 BingoBoingo: !up goofythedog

04:05:07 goofythedog: Whats up

04:05:14 BingoBoingo: nuts

04:05:17 goofythedog: Why

04:05:23 BingoBoingo: puppies

04:05:58 goofythedog: Yoh got pups?

04:07:31 goofythedog: Yeh

04:09:45 decimation: asciilifeform: it's a shame that nobody produces an 'englebart violin' chorded entry device

04:16:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136010 @ 0.00032473 = 44.1665 BTC [-] {2}

04:18:39 *: asciilifeform recalls reading patents for fiber keyboards but never saw any hint of such a thing in production.

04:18:47 asciilifeform: though the 'how' is trivial.

04:22:08 asciilifeform: http://benkrasnow.blogspot.com/2011/03/diy-scanning-electron-microscope.html << unrelated

04:22:10 assbot: Ben Krasnow: DIY scanning electron microscope - Overview video ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYj9pB )

04:31:10 decimation: lol that's awesome

04:41:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19864 @ 0.00030404 = 6.0395 BTC [-]

04:44:13 BingoBoingo: !up shesek

04:53:42 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2012-info/obama-moron/0021.htm << vintage rf lulz

04:53:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xdmzW0 )

05:05:51 decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders why some of this kind of thing has appeared to 'stick' to hillary but hasn't to obama

05:06:04 mircea_popescu: Subject: Welcome to Bitstamp From: "Bitstamp" <noreply@bitstamp.net>

05:06:13 mircea_popescu: nuts.

05:07:51 mircea_popescu: if anyone was wondering how those "users" keep going up...

05:08:14 decimation: mircea_popescu: the first rule of customer service is to ignore the customer

05:08:21 mircea_popescu: i am not a customer.

05:08:31 mircea_popescu: they are spamming what's most likely a bought list.

05:09:03 mircea_popescu: " Content preview: Dear Alare Kool, thank you for registering at Bitstamp exchange service! At this point you have just contributed a great deal to future of decentralized monetary market."

05:09:14 mircea_popescu: in other words "redditards, welcome!"

05:09:27 mircea_popescu: "grammer, potional."

05:13:05 decimation: re: fake drug seizures < if you drill down in the report, you find that 96% of the 'ditchweed' was destroyed in just one state: indiana

05:13:30 decimation: I'm sure they found a way to game the feds out of bezzlars in exchange for piles of fake weed

05:14:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds like forged headers (why would the actual 'bitstamp' spam ? wtf is the point)

05:14:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do the links contained in the turd point to the genuine site ?

05:16:15 decimation: lolz > http://blog.mdsec.co.uk/2015/03/bruteforcing-ios-screenlock.html < can bruteforce the 4-digit pin on the iphone 5 in 40 seconds

05:16:16 assbot: MDSec Blog: Apple iOS Hardware Assisted Screenlock Bruteforce ... ( http://bit.ly/1xdp0bd )

05:17:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62274 @ 0.00029596 = 18.4306 BTC [-]

05:17:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, so they can claim the most valuable email address in bitcoin space as "a customer" ?

05:18:07 asciilifeform: 'What is surprising however is that this still works even with the ?Erase data after 10 attempts? configuration setting enabled. Our initial analysis indicates that the IP Box is able to bypass this restriction by connecting directly to the iPhone?s power source and aggressively cutting the power after each failed PIN attempt, but before the attempt has been synchronized to flash memory.' << mega-l0l!

05:18:07 mircea_popescu: Received: from mail.bitstamp.net ([54.235.132.61]:55581 helo=bitstamp.net)

05:18:10 mircea_popescu: it's them alright.

05:18:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: someone signed you up as a gag ?

05:18:30 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah. apple supposedly spent years trying to make the device secure

05:18:49 decimation: but it has encrypted storage!!!

05:18:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right.

05:19:37 mircea_popescu: Please write down the following login information

05:19:37 mircea_popescu: Client ID: <b>051013</b>

05:19:37 mircea_popescu: Password: <b>/lf!iqkR7d!1</b>

05:19:37 mircea_popescu: The above password has been automatically generated. You should <b>change it</b> as

05:19:37 mircea_popescu: soon as you log in for the first time.

05:19:46 mircea_popescu: this, you will note, in a PLAINTEXT EMAIL.

05:20:28 BingoBoingo: http://fraudsters.com/2015/so-hows-magic-work/#comment-113152

05:20:28 assbot: So how's magic work ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xwFQfJ )

05:20:29 asciilifeform: l0ltr0n

05:21:09 asciilifeform: re: iPnohe bruteforcer - apple could have easily written 1) update counter 2) validate code instead of 1) validate code 2) update counter

05:21:16 asciilifeform: but - didn't.

05:21:41 asciilifeform: not that it would have made a serious difference in the end -

05:21:48 asciilifeform: but shows how much of a fuck was actually given

05:22:06 decimation: asciilifeform: the ultimate problem is not actually having a secure terminal, but pretending that you do

05:22:12 asciilifeform: no shit

05:23:17 decimation: if you read the apple whitepaper on the iphone 5 security, you see they play all kinds of shell games attempting to keep keys in temporary buffers so that the storage can be 'encrypted' while still able to receive texts, unlock screen, etc

05:23:48 asciilifeform: 'fried ice'

05:23:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo was just answering that.

05:24:18 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but shows how much of a fuck was actually given << or how much of a fuck was available to give.

05:24:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's just the cascade of fail yudo shits out

05:24:39 mircea_popescu: deup ftw.

05:24:49 decimation: well, they did actually appear to spend alot of time 'giving a fuck'

05:24:55 decimation: it's just that they failed to deliver anything

05:25:41 decimation: actually, since apple controls the complete stack all the way down to silicon, they are in a unique position to actually deliever, but didn't

05:25:52 asciilifeform: deliver what?

05:25:59 decimation: you know, actual security

05:26:10 asciilifeform: -actual- means auditable

05:26:13 decimation: appropriately partitioned code and data

05:26:16 asciilifeform: and no longer fits in pocket.

05:26:26 asciilifeform: or, likely, in the room you're sitting in.

05:26:45 asciilifeform: but certainly not in pocket.

05:26:45 decimation: and doesn't copy bits off the air and save them to 'encrypted storage' without intervention

05:27:01 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/pisatii/ << btw, ancient sf of mine. the central idea being that et come, their home atmosphere is heavy in amonia, so they have some special suits to recycle the amonia, which somewhat leak... which leaks smell like... stale piss.

05:27:02 assbot: Pisatii pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xwGwBJ )

05:27:08 mircea_popescu: so the et are known as ... the pissed upons.

05:27:31 asciilifeform: l0l

05:27:55 mircea_popescu: also they want two things from earth : hot peppers

05:27:56 mircea_popescu: and cocaine.

05:28:14 mircea_popescu: because the hot peppers are like lsd + speed, while cocaine is basically sugar++

05:28:33 decimation: I've heard that chicken farmers actually become somewhat immune to the extreme ammonia smell

05:28:54 mircea_popescu: and they wanted to go to where cocaine is made and congratulate the people on their great discovery.

05:29:17 mircea_popescu: "Va dati seama, primul pamintean decorat de extraterestri urma sa fie urmasul lui Pablo Escobar."

05:29:32 decimation: usg helps make roundup resistant cocaine

05:34:38 BingoBoingo: decimation> usg helps make roundup resistant cocaine << Honestly wouldn't be surprised if the cartels innovated that themselves

05:36:15 decimation: possibly, but they could probably get started by picking the plants that survived the spraying

05:37:03 mircea_popescu: well they wouldn't be picking the ones that didn't.

05:40:38 BingoBoingo: decimation: Around here nearly everything is roundup resistant now

05:41:19 decimation: heh yeah, but does it reproduce without monsanto?

05:41:38 BingoBoingo: Oh, I'm not talking the crops

05:42:14 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> check it out, she's got a wiki page an' errything : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanti_Dynamite << one really can buy anything

05:42:16 assbot: Shanti Dynamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xwI6U9 )

05:43:14 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "Parents divorced at age of 9 years..." << wow jeez that's some painfully bad shit

05:43:31 ben_vulpes: "it was cold and completely different to Africa"

05:44:59 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell brendafdez hey where's that shopping list

05:44:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:46:45 mircea_popescu: i imagine it sucks.

05:48:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23710 @ 0.00031348 = 7.4326 BTC [+]

05:57:19 ben_vulpes: the shopping list?

05:58:38 mircea_popescu: !up megadeth

05:59:53 megadeth: Mircea, a personal thank you from my side for 1) Placing your money on the bitbet. 2) Spending your personal wealth in the well being of BTC.

06:00:27 mircea_popescu: a ?

06:02:19 mircea_popescu: cool.

06:05:46 ben_vulpes: oh man that video of subcontinental sweets is baaaad

06:14:03 ben_vulpes: <mod6> i have this idea in my mind that people know what stuff is i guess. << i keep falling for this one too.

06:14:18 ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> if i had a vanilla linux box here, it'd likely be no sweat << heard of a thing called "vagrant"? "virtualbox"?

06:14:40 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins "if i had a vanilla linux box here, it'd likely be no sweat" << heard of a thing called "vagrant"? "virtualbox"?

06:14:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:15:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201700 @ 0.00030811 = 62.1458 BTC [-]

06:16:36 ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> i'd never had a ball boy before and it. was. sweet. < heh.

06:17:13 ben_vulpes: man the temptation to quote out of context is p. strong.

06:19:31 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [18:57] but for one thing it's bullshit and for the other thing, it doesn't really wash. << nor do the workmen, and for that matter why would anyone want to be of the unwashed masses?

06:20:19 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [19:01] really there was absolutely no reason (apart from their tim swansonesque contemptuous idiocy) to make the nodes visible. << feel free to block 0.5.3.1 nodes if you can find them, reddit.

06:26:46 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [19:53] indescript house in omaha, married, with children. about as boring as it gets. << orgies on the yangtzee with bill gates

06:27:13 ben_vulpes: hey speaking of where are the eager young sluts to be found in bsas?

06:27:16 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i was talking about the nodes they were using tro "spy on bitcoin" aka "repackage freely available information for the bezzle idiots"

06:27:36 ben_vulpes: i brought my own last time so didn't have cause to go seeking, and no time this time.

06:28:31 ben_vulpes: i'm...aware.

06:31:01 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell jurov <jurov> ben_vulpes rly? you want patches for makeshift build scripts? << look either you run diff or the n people running the list do.

06:31:02 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:31:14 ben_vulpes: s/run/read

06:31:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109904 @ 0.00029769 = 32.7173 BTC [-] {2}

06:38:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31087 @ 0.00030811 = 9.5782 BTC [+]

06:43:09 ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/577976775449300992 << this is the most badass thing

06:43:11 assbot: /hashtag/OpenBSD?src=hash 5.6 on an Apple iMac G4. http://t.co/vx5qS4N7WV

06:43:28 ben_vulpes: i am emailing my father right now to see if that model is still in his basement

06:43:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes errywhere. if you folks feel like it we'll go check out the local bdsm club.

06:44:39 mircea_popescu: otherwise, prostitution being legal, and the universities being in session...

06:48:16 ben_vulpes: your reports of the local bdsm scene are *not* a sales pitch.

06:48:31 ben_vulpes: i've club sesso right down the street.

06:48:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85996 @ 0.00029305 = 25.2011 BTC [-] {2}

06:48:34 mircea_popescu: im not a salesman.

06:48:53 ben_vulpes: well have you found something good?

06:49:00 ben_vulpes: all i hear is "jesus fuck these people are retarded"

06:49:06 mircea_popescu: that i want to share ?

06:49:21 mircea_popescu: if it makes you feel any better i was saying the same in teh us.

06:49:38 ben_vulpes: i'd not presume to encroach on your area

06:50:17 mircea_popescu: neways, you can has list of pickup places, ie, where the girls go to work.

06:50:49 mircea_popescu: not that you'd conceivably need it, what they do here is print little 3x2 papers and stick them everywhere.

06:50:55 ben_vulpes: anyways, no, thank you, i'll not impose that on the gentle asshats

06:51:15 mircea_popescu: lol which ones ?

06:51:29 ben_vulpes: the bdsm club heh

06:52:10 mircea_popescu: ah

06:52:39 mircea_popescu: what's this club sesso thning ?

06:52:41 mircea_popescu: !up shesek

06:53:13 mircea_popescu: oh, swinger's club. the local thing i visited and cursed closed meanwhile.

06:53:34 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is ron jeremy

06:53:43 mircea_popescu: that disco face looks oddly familiar

06:54:37 ben_vulpes: oh i'm bashing that

06:55:48 mircea_popescu: "Club Sesso is Portland Oregon's upscale, swingers club."

06:55:51 mircea_popescu: i, see.

06:55:58 mircea_popescu: is it any good ?

06:56:00 ben_vulpes: on a previous branch, i'm far more interested in a) vino b) carne and c) tango than the local whatever whatever

06:56:05 ben_vulpes: some nights

06:56:22 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes we're going to this great tango thing

06:56:26 ben_vulpes: YUSSS

06:56:33 ben_vulpes: boss u da bes

06:56:50 mircea_popescu: "Have fun, meet new friends and become a part of the Sesso Community. Become a volunteer at Club Sesso!" dude...

06:56:57 mircea_popescu: it can't be doing THAT well.

06:57:07 ben_vulpes: is it one of those silly 'performances' where dinner is stupid expensive and you watch a theatrical thinger?

06:57:18 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: well if you're going to the events listed on the homepage for noobs...

06:57:42 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes, except good.

06:57:47 ben_vulpes: look i'm making a reference to the plethora of local fauna.

06:57:56 mircea_popescu: unless they fuck it up, which... argentines are famously unreliable.

06:57:58 ben_vulpes: sesso's an intake and filter point.

06:58:27 mircea_popescu: for coughars ?

06:59:02 ben_vulpes: mk well i've got my intel applied to 'milongas that don't mind shitty enthusiastic gringos too much' and also 'milongas where i should just sit and watch' as backup so i'm not terrifically concerned.

06:59:25 mircea_popescu: "Clean Up Your Own Mess" "upscale" wut!

06:59:36 mircea_popescu: errything in america is self serve by now innit.

06:59:37 ben_vulpes: go write an article

06:59:44 mircea_popescu: no, i'd rather pester you :D

06:59:52 ben_vulpes: outta mah face!

07:00:36 ben_vulpes: so actually entertainingly, one of the decent sex parties happens in the warehouse where i used to house the boys.

07:00:39 ben_vulpes: imagine my surprise.

07:00:42 mircea_popescu: anyway, we're also going to the place's best porterhouse steak imo, so there is that.

07:00:52 mircea_popescu: boys = dogs ?

07:00:59 mircea_popescu: decent = indecent ?

07:01:04 mircea_popescu: y u kids gotta use code on my god damned lawn!

07:01:17 ben_vulpes: infer from context!

07:01:30 ben_vulpes: do a thing you hate and despise!

07:01:48 ben_vulpes: uh no programmers.

07:03:08 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: y el vino?

07:03:17 mircea_popescu: there's no wine. sorry.

07:03:24 mircea_popescu: the truck broke down.

07:03:29 ben_vulpes: WHAT

07:03:31 ben_vulpes: you drank it all

07:03:33 ben_vulpes: stop lying

07:03:37 mircea_popescu: normally we get it on friday...

07:03:46 ben_vulpes: bwahahaha

07:03:55 mircea_popescu: the cat's eaten it.

07:03:55 ben_vulpes: stahp i'll wake the girl

07:04:17 ben_vulpes: that's an excellent argentine

07:04:23 mircea_popescu: sorry ben, im affraid the wine's more runny than you'd like it./

07:04:55 ben_vulpes: please don't tell me

07:05:01 ben_vulpes: the viscosity is nearly that of water

07:05:09 ben_vulpes: simply will not do

07:06:00 mircea_popescu: there's licorice ?

07:06:09 mircea_popescu: and non alcoholic cider.

07:06:46 ben_vulpes: and some stale crackers, no doubt.

07:06:56 ben_vulpes: OH THERE'S LICORICE IS THER

07:07:09 mircea_popescu: (tru story : mp was once at a guy's bday party, very smart coder guy. the party - total cockfest. mp's escort only girl in the room. mp sighs and goes got any booze ?

07:07:13 mircea_popescu: answer comes back as...

07:07:19 ben_vulpes: o no

07:07:55 mircea_popescu: so mp goes "go and buy some vodka". everyone (~dozen ppls) gets drunk offa half the bottle. girl drinks other half. her eyebrows slowly but surely keep rising all through the night)

07:08:18 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "the last remaining bastion " >> http://40.media.tumblr.com/bab78269d215cf75ed1df862a19e1494/tumblr_mz3c8j5Dmq1s0f482o1_1280.jpg << oh homegirl's about to have some fun

07:08:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpNWcw )

07:08:28 mircea_popescu: to my great shame, those eyebrows are the only thing i recall of this girl.

07:09:01 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes maybe they just wanna play conect-r with her.

07:09:10 ben_vulpes: no but look at her face

07:09:32 mircea_popescu: she looks like she's done this before.

07:09:36 ben_vulpes: yeah.

07:10:23 ben_vulpes: you know that gangbang where ladybird's really running the show?

07:10:31 ben_vulpes: every good one?

07:10:36 mircea_popescu: which is 80% of them ?

07:10:37 mircea_popescu: right

07:11:03 mircea_popescu: it's unavoidable, she's the server, scheduling naturally resides with her, which...

07:11:11 ben_vulpes: oh ffs

07:11:13 ben_vulpes: must you really

07:11:24 ben_vulpes: you see people this is actually the vile shit

07:11:28 mircea_popescu: ?

07:12:08 ben_vulpes: we're talking about ordinary gangbangs

07:12:18 ben_vulpes: and mircea_popescu must MUST *MUST* start talking about servers

07:12:31 ben_vulpes: fucking disgusting, i tell you.

07:12:33 mircea_popescu: do not hate me because i'm an abstract thinker

07:12:50 mircea_popescu: or ima complain to elikbez'r yadukoksky

07:12:54 mircea_popescu: or w/e his name is.

07:15:03 ben_vulpes: <assbot> Successfully added a rating of 1 for brendafdez with note: no such thing as a chick that can pgp << hawwwww

07:15:45 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> and even taught to a girl << contrary to public opinion this is not really a feat

07:16:17 mircea_popescu: yeah what's with all teh sexisms!

07:16:25 mircea_popescu: buncha chicks in assbot's wot.

07:16:34 ben_vulpes: babes are people too and generally smarter than the doodz in the w0t

07:16:46 ben_vulpes: come onnnnn log only 300 lines left

07:17:12 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [03:20] <asciilifeform> '...no survival kit is complete without silver bullets...' << this is actually a lot more sensible than it seems. silver has some good chars for making a bullet. << no no no no no and again no

07:17:14 ben_vulpes: bullets are dead

07:17:27 mircea_popescu: ...

07:17:34 mircea_popescu: what do you think sperm is ?

07:17:45 ben_vulpes: to give away *even more* of the game what we're after is mini solids with vanes in the exhaust that protrude out from the projectile body.

07:18:32 ben_vulpes: kinetic energy can be purchased with different distributions of mass and gas.

07:18:51 ben_vulpes: rifling PAUGH

07:19:05 mircea_popescu: ...

07:19:13 mircea_popescu: what is this, superhero quailshot ?

07:20:46 ben_vulpes: chip and servos.

07:20:57 ben_vulpes: not precisely buckshot, no.

07:21:10 *: mircea_popescu is kinda happy with guns as they are.

07:21:10 ben_vulpes: include pyrotechnics for...pyrotechnics.

07:21:16 mircea_popescu: one of the few fields humanity got mostly right.

07:21:26 ben_vulpes: guns do not give you air superiority.

07:21:47 ben_vulpes: cannot demolish cover.

07:23:04 ben_vulpes: myriad applications i'll leave for eager students.

07:23:12 mircea_popescu: "air superiority" is for the birds.

07:23:39 ben_vulpes: >.<

07:23:57 ben_vulpes: pluck them mid-flight

07:24:36 ben_vulpes: ugh i can't unsee that pun

07:24:52 mircea_popescu: if what you're doing requires "air superiority" you're essentially trying to construct a nuclear-powered lawnmover

07:24:56 mircea_popescu: mower*

07:25:29 mircea_popescu: these don't exist not because "it wouldn't be cool", but because it'd be pretty dumb.

07:26:08 ben_vulpes: i'm thinking about floaty things that map out battlefields when floating unpricked around the battlefield.

07:26:11 ben_vulpes: not jets, etc.

07:26:33 mircea_popescu: let

07:26:37 mircea_popescu: 's put it in an easier context.

07:26:47 mircea_popescu: what can be said about the kid who gets into a fight his first day in the new school ?

07:27:33 mircea_popescu: if you're fighting over terrain you do not know you've got a whole heap of problems, each much bigger than anything a buzzard flying by could solve.

07:27:54 mircea_popescu: this is scarce consolation to the poor schmucks sent to die in the trenches, of course, but we're here discussing the larger problem

07:30:51 ben_vulpes: perhaps i misspeak when i say "superiority" rather than pointing at the value in denying others ownership of a space.

07:31:12 ben_vulpes: "fly your jet through here, i dare you." type of approach.

07:31:42 mircea_popescu: yeah. this of course only works to "me too" monkeys.

07:31:58 ben_vulpes: hm?

07:32:47 mircea_popescu: note that the chinese very smartly did not do what the usians expected them to do in the 70s/80s (an exact rehash of the 60s/70s russian idiocy of trying to copy them and lose at it, Мы вас похороним! and all that,

07:33:05 mircea_popescu: instead of making 25 atomic carriers to the us' dozen, they just made small cheap rockets)

07:33:18 mircea_popescu: thus, they're not bankrupt, and will in fact bury the us.

07:33:42 ben_vulpes: if i can do nothing on my own, i can learn from those who do understand strategy.

07:34:25 mircea_popescu: there's a reason for the yawning geopoliticomilitary chasm centering around pekin, and that cause is that the top brass of the us centcom failed to guess cca 1980.

07:34:40 ben_vulpes: if i understand you correctly, i find myself surrounded by 'me too monkeys'.

07:35:07 mircea_popescu: you familiar with the "there's nothing worse for a good startup than a bad revenue source early on" quip ?

07:35:18 ben_vulpes: sure. relevance here, though?

07:35:28 mircea_popescu: the one thing that'll ruin a bright young mind is success among idiots.

07:35:40 mircea_popescu: elitism has its protective advantages, especially for teh youth.

07:35:48 ben_vulpes: :(

07:35:53 ben_vulpes: well hey i hang out here.

07:36:01 mircea_popescu: not that it's teh panacea or anything

07:36:05 ben_vulpes: hopefully that bears some prophylaxis.

07:36:05 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol im sure you'll be fine.

07:36:35 ben_vulpes: /s/bears/conveys

07:38:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00029141 = 4.1963 BTC [-]

07:38:33 thestringpuller: ^whoa

07:38:42 mircea_popescu: wouldja look att hat.

07:38:49 ben_vulpes: dude that is the most cryptic apparent nonsequiter.

07:39:18 ben_vulpes: i'm going to think about it for days, come up with some interpretation, regurgitate it in public to many guffaws

07:40:03 thestringpuller: after screaming at cal3d for 5 hours

07:40:07 thestringpuller: i had to drink myself into a stupor

07:40:18 ben_vulpes: is that a pre-ipo price for mpoe?

07:40:24 thestringpuller: no

07:40:33 thestringpuller: pre owners-share block price tho

07:40:34 mircea_popescu: nah, it ipo'd something like 2-6k

07:40:53 mircea_popescu: yeah that was what, 37 iirc ?

07:41:00 ben_vulpes: ah so btcalpha doesn't have complete history?

07:41:00 thestringpuller: something like that

07:41:03 thestringpuller: no

07:41:10 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/evolution-shuts-up-shop-taking-user-funds-with-it/

07:41:12 thestringpuller: only kako has dat ;)

07:41:16 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c dude just fork over the coin for a socket from kakobrekla

07:41:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:41:48 mircea_popescu: what was "evolution" ?

07:41:57 mircea_popescu: sounds like an ubuntu torrent client

07:42:34 ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off.

07:42:51 ben_vulpes: sweet dreams, butt-asses.

07:43:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140000 @ 0.0002995 = 41.93 BTC [+] {3}

07:44:15 mircea_popescu: cazalla https://blockchain.info/address/1Ps2m56aEudGVKj7ch8mAje4x6bBzGVNgU << the 48k looks more like 1000ish actually there in the past week ?

07:44:17 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1Ps2m56aEudGVKj7ch8mAje4x6bBzGVNgU ... ( http://bit.ly/1BOQthH )

07:44:58 cazalla: mircea_popescu, who really knows, all rumour and innuendo at this point

07:45:09 mircea_popescu: myeah

07:45:52 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i have great idea for mpex listing. i pretend to own hash power, so i take investor money and pay new investors with it!

07:46:04 thestringpuller: this is what I got from old story

07:46:07 mircea_popescu: no !?

07:48:12 mircea_popescu: "The other model Hariezer lays out is that magic lies on a single recessive gene. He reasons squibs have one dominant, non-magical version, and one recessive magical version of the gene. So of kids born to squibs, 1/4 will be wizards. In this version, you either have magic or you don?t, so if wizards married the non-magical, wizards themselves could become more rare, but the power of wizards won?t be diluted. C

07:48:12 mircea_popescu: all this model 2."

07:48:33 mircea_popescu: motherfucker. i am so sick and tired of this cloying tiresome pedestrian understanding of genetics.

07:49:00 mircea_popescu: the single alele pair model is in the books because fucking peas exhibit it, and because it's easy to teach to biologists, who are people who are bad at basic arithmetics.

07:49:06 thestringpuller: what were those square things called again?

07:49:08 mircea_popescu: irl, most loci have MULTIPLE aleles.

07:49:10 thestringpuller: putin squares?

07:49:27 mircea_popescu: there's places with 30+ genes, of which multiple are dominant.

07:50:53 mircea_popescu: if the gene for being a total fucktard has genes A through P and a through w, where upcase ones are dominant, it may be the case that the AD kid is the geniusest of them all and the BG kid is the total fucking retardest of the lot, way behind ww or ft or whatever the fuck other recessive combo

07:51:27 mircea_popescu: the total possible combinations are

07:51:50 mircea_popescu: ;;calc (16 + 23) ** 2

07:51:50 gribble: 1521

07:52:19 mircea_popescu: that's 1.5k different types for just that one pair!

07:52:39 mircea_popescu: and it is unlikely but technically possible that you actually require a TRISOMY to get the topmost performance.

07:53:38 mircea_popescu: which may put it in the billions to one odds of happening, which means that we know enough about genetics since the genome has been sequenced to make judgements about on par with the quality of the pseudoscience that gave us "global warming" and "carbon"

07:54:50 mircea_popescu: (trisomy is usually a copy of one or the other gene, but it doesn't actually have to be - it could be a mix of them, which ~could~ be a legitimate new gene, if mindbogglingly improbable)

07:56:48 mircea_popescu: (conversely, it's usually the case that you do require a trisomy or other polysomy to get the actual worst performance available - kids with such genetic defects are almost universally retarded and sterile)

08:18:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143100 @ 0.00029298 = 41.9254 BTC [-] {2}

08:32:47 chetty: well epigenetics is starting to be explored, but its so politically incorrect no one will talk much about it

08:40:19 mircea_popescu: yet idiots talking about nonsense abound

08:40:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00029392 = 12.6092 BTC [+]

08:55:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113200 @ 0.00030619 = 34.6607 BTC [+] {2}

09:11:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85426 @ 0.0003128 = 26.7213 BTC [+] {2}

09:12:32 funkenstein_: and folks who think intelligence is genetic don't have it

09:19:30 thestringpuller: scoopbot: --fetch

09:19:41 thestringpuller: scoopbot -fetch

09:19:59 thestringpuller: !up Vexual

09:26:24 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/security-as-a-coffin/

09:31:59 Vexual: epigenetics is like unexplained inheritence?

09:37:22 funkenstein_: could be explained, but not completely or only by the sequence

09:37:44 Vexual: is there a fruitfly experiment or anything?

09:38:35 funkenstein_: the word gets used for stuff like relative position in the organism, protein folding influence

09:39:12 Vexual: thats what im thinking, it's more of a philospohy of effects not described my empirical shit

09:39:46 Vexual: ah ok

09:40:40 funkenstein_: fun word :)

09:41:22 Vexual: yeah

09:41:56 Vexual: what lat you at on this big spiining magnet in space?

09:42:39 funkenstein_: 45 N or so

09:43:08 funkenstein_: you?

09:44:04 Vexual: err 15 s?

09:45:04 Vexual: 20s?

09:45:19 funkenstein_: sounds nice. seen the LMC recently?

09:46:07 Vexual: lmc?

09:46:52 funkenstein_: large magellanic cloud

09:47:39 Vexual: is it seen with the naked eye?

09:48:14 funkenstein_: sure is.

09:48:28 Vexual: i probably have and didnt know it

09:49:02 funkenstein_: the small one is also visible with the naked eye but you need a darker place for viewing

09:52:22 thestringpuller: dr. funkenstein_ how are you

09:52:30 thestringpuller: you must like funk music with a name like that

09:52:42 thestringpuller: !up Vexual

09:53:11 funkenstein_: morning string puller. you sound like a musician too :)

09:53:38 Adlai: funkenstein_: there's also the initial contents of memory upon powering up the device - ie, the 99.9...% of the egg which is NOT dna

09:53:41 Vexual: yes, i've seen clear nights hundred of kilometers from the nearest campfire

09:54:22 Adlai: similarly to how gut bacteria play a larger role influencing personality than, say, the skin cells on the bottom of the foot - despite only the latter being 'human'

09:54:39 Vexual: and twice the horizons to any light polluting town

09:55:30 thestringpuller: Adlai: only cuz those bacteria make you poop.

09:55:52 thestringpuller: funkenstein_: a little. my nick is reference to the godfather. a terribly good movie.

09:56:01 funkenstein_: Adlai, well put

09:56:05 Vexual: they also make up a larege part of your interface with your environment

09:57:47 Adlai: thestringpuller: for me, you always invoke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnKhsTXoKCI

09:57:48 assbot: Metallica-Master Of Puppets (Lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAC2jZ )

09:58:09 thestringpuller: aha when metallica was good

09:58:28 thestringpuller: head DBA at first job was a huge 90's metal guy

09:58:51 thestringpuller: had seen anthrax metallica megadeth and slayer play in same lineup

09:59:34 thestringpuller: i'm much moar experienced with jazz and hip-hop music tho

09:59:47 thestringpuller: aka black people music

10:00:04 Adlai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC1nBLA8k0I

10:00:06 assbot: TATRAN Live @ Oppikoppi Festival - Anar - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MIQPLN )

10:00:23 Adlai: ok enough tunespam

10:08:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83818 @ 0.00030769 = 25.79 BTC [-]

10:27:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8932 @ 0.00030769 = 2.7483 BTC [-]

10:40:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143600 @ 0.00030156 = 43.304 BTC [-] {2}

10:59:29 Adlai: !up Vexual

10:59:41 Adlai: tell'em Vexual

10:59:51 Adlai: spread the spell of god

11:00:29 Vexual: u told em already

11:08:23 Adlai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ2_EsodmEg

11:08:25 assbot: Tatran - Sol the Blue - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2udoB )

11:42:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00030032 = 12.3732 BTC [-] {2}

11:50:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95650 @ 0.00030669 = 29.3349 BTC [+] {3}

11:57:50 funkenstein_: !up DianaComan

11:58:15 funkenstein_: ;;ticker

11:58:17 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.56, Best ask: 271.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 271.56, 24 hour volume: 40607.79350542, 24 hour low: 269.09, 24 hour high: 291.48, 24 hour vwap: None

12:04:46 chetty: http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/t4QDOj9uEpyBDI2WTnJy6g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTEwMjQ7aWw9cGxhbmU7cHlvZmY9MDtxPTc1O3c9Njg3/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/Part-DV-DV1990130-1-1-0.jpg

12:04:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2DtsA )

12:09:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69599 @ 0.00029935 = 20.8345 BTC [-]

12:15:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228850 @ 0.00029375 = 67.2247 BTC [-] {4}

12:31:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00028982 = 4.9124 BTC [-]

13:01:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00028909 = 11.4046 BTC [-]

13:03:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35362 @ 0.0002895 = 10.2373 BTC [+]

13:12:17 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> because the hot peppers are like lsd + speed << haha yes! I tripped out from eating too much hot sauce once; home made ghost pepper salsa or something

13:12:55 danielpbarron: height=285260 vs height=211953

13:17:16 danielpbarron: https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop

13:17:18 assbot: Librem 15: A Free/Libre Software Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms | Crowd Supply ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYKXpr )

13:17:39 danielpbarron: anyone, thoughts? probably too good to be true

13:21:59 mike_c: ben_vulpes: I do have complete history, and was the only paying customer of kako's socket when he turned it off.

13:26:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38305 @ 0.0002895 = 11.0893 BTC [+]

13:57:11 nubbins`: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Alare Kool is from Bangladesh!

13:57:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:57:36 nubbins`: oh and you need to "verify" your bitstamp account w/ gov photo id to even deposit btc. fyi.

14:03:35 nubbins`: oh and you cannot change the email address associated with your account w/o contacting support

14:03:36 nubbins`: ;p

14:07:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00028623 = 3.1772 BTC [-]

14:13:50 nubbins`: !up Vexual

14:15:08 nubbins`: http://41.media.tumblr.com/ab3fee3af80e7d21e36cad2340227f33/tumblr_mtcckat5oa1se279mo1_500.jpg

14:15:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqPt1U )

14:16:57 Vexual: ah young jack

14:17:39 Vexual: he he, not bait, but an enviable comparison

14:18:05 nubbins`: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216201/One-pig-perfect-justice-Thug-wore-t-shirt-vile-slogan-just-hours-murders-policewomen-jailed-months.html

14:18:08 assbot: 'One less pig: perfect justice': Thug who wore t-shirt with vile slogan just hours after murders of two policewomen is jailed for eight months | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqPVxa )

14:18:16 nubbins`: Stuart Duke, defending, said Thew had been an in-patient at a mental health unit and was still in prescription of anti-psychotic medicine, but Judge Lakin said his mental health was 'not a contributing factor'.

14:18:24 nubbins`: ^ lel.

14:19:27 Vexual: oh theyll shoot you till you're dead then yell at you to take the shirt off

14:20:16 Vexual: you're better off not wearing inflamatory tshirts

14:24:34 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh6Qla-OQ-M

14:28:35 Vexual: you print on kevlar belends?

14:29:53 Vexual: "aim for the head asshole"

14:31:49 nubbins`: no kevlar

14:32:19 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXUkP_Gyo-0 3 piece

14:33:56 Vexual: thats guitar business

14:34:42 Vexual: the base player might have done the ssame

14:37:16 nubbins`: http://rt.com/usa/241325-obama-isis-iraq-bush/

14:37:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqST4H )

14:37:22 nubbins`: no kidding

14:39:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10533 @ 0.0002895 = 3.0493 BTC [+]

14:54:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176900 @ 0.00029181 = 51.6212 BTC [+] {2}

14:58:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67100 @ 0.00028956 = 19.4295 BTC [-] {2}

15:10:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222400 @ 0.00028552 = 63.4996 BTC [-] {3}

15:18:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133750 @ 0.00029198 = 39.0523 BTC [+]

15:40:38 funkenstein_: perhaps a good day to link this blog http://wtfevolution.tumblr.com/

15:40:40 assbot: WTF, Evolution?! ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZCMil )

15:43:38 danielpbarron: yet another way to deny God: call Him "evolution"

15:46:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00028506 = 9.5495 BTC [-]

15:49:12 nubbins`: ...

15:49:34 nubbins`: yet another way to jack yourself off with self-importance: refer to "god" as a person

15:49:44 funkenstein_: not sure renaming is denying?

15:50:34 nubbins`: not sure if srs or trolling

15:50:44 nubbins`: sneaking suspicion that srs

15:53:52 funkenstein_: i'm sure She won't mind

15:54:43 funkenstein_: nubbins it's just that you aren't used to romantic languages

15:55:01 nubbins`: expound, please

15:55:11 funkenstein_: even in german you use personal pronouns for most everything

15:56:43 nubbins`: sure. not uncommon in english.

16:03:59 danielpbarron: !up Bagels7

16:04:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130800 @ 0.00029525 = 38.6187 BTC [+] {3}

16:04:52 danielpbarron: nubbins`, the blog personifies evolution

16:05:45 danielpbarron: the author created fictional naratives between a person "evoltion" and an astonished inquisitor

16:14:13 nubbins`: no way

16:15:09 nubbins`: sounds like you hold an opinion as to the nature of your god; would be interested to hear

16:17:42 danielpbarron: http://www.atruechurch.info/lordisaman.html

16:17:43 assbot: A True Church - The Lord Is A Man ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUQ2nj )

16:18:04 danielpbarron: Contrary to popular opinion within the false Christian world (2 Timothy 3:1-5 & 4:3), God is a Man, as Exodus 15:3 plainly declares. Not corruptible (Romans 1:23; 1 Corinthians 15:50), not created (Psalm 90:2), not a man who progressed and "achieved his exalted rank" as Mormons teach (see the report on Mormonism). But nonetheless, the Lord is a Man. He is a Man of war.

16:19:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, others from last night's thread: http://lasec.epfl.ch/keyboard << oldie re: keyboard rf.

16:19:11 assbot: Compromising Electromagnetic Emanations of Wired and Wireless Keyboards - Martin Vuagnoux and Sylvain Pasini ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUQr9w )

16:31:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.0002855 = 16.2592 BTC [-] {2}

16:31:14 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: interesting tidbit from the vuagnoux & pasini paper (section 5.5) - the second-keyboard-as-jammer thing doesn't really work.

16:31:14 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:32:27 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: nor is a conventional jammer practical, because pressing keys results in shift of frequency of harmonics. this appears to be one of those cases where not shitting on the floor is considerably easier than mopping it up...

16:32:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:56:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147700 @ 0.00028463 = 42.0399 BTC [-] {2}

17:00:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why doesn't it really work again ?

17:04:49 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nice one.

17:04:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if asking about the 'second kbd controller as jammer' - the small physical differences (esp. in the quartz oscillator) add up to a distinguishable 'fingerprint' which lets enemy pull a particular kbd signal out of a room full of'em

17:05:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if about hypothetical purpose-built jammer - keyboard scan matrix in particular is a moving target, as the frequency of the telltale signal will vary considerably depending on which key(s) are pressed

17:06:59 mircea_popescu: i was simply thinking a 2nd kbd with a rng tied to it closing circuits.

17:07:03 asciilifeform: aha

17:07:07 asciilifeform: that was my thought

17:07:15 mircea_popescu: but re-reading, you actually mean the mechanical keyboard pressing is the source

17:07:28 asciilifeform: the closing of the matrix circuits

17:07:36 asciilifeform: so yes

17:07:47 mircea_popescu: well...maybe ?

17:08:30 chetty: so wrap you kbd in a faraday cage?

17:08:35 asciilifeform: (and it is also interesting to think about what actually happens on the mechanical contacts. 'key bounce' is not only an annoyance for engineers, but a gift to radiodiddlers, as each spring - and rubber domes not excepted - has characteristic wear)

17:08:38 mircea_popescu: who knew that ipad style on-screen kbds will actually have at least one advantage ?

17:08:42 mircea_popescu: unwieldy as theyare.

17:08:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00028979 = 1.7387 BTC [+]

17:09:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: those can be 'heard' for considerable distances by intercepting lcd feed

17:09:38 mircea_popescu: yes, but "shield the screen" vs "shield the screen and shield the keyboard"

17:10:47 asciilifeform: i looked into keyboards made of optical fibres, and found none in commercial circulation. looked if anyone has admitted to experimenting with such, and found no credible data - but, interestingly, folks have built mice on this principle, for use inside mri scanners.

17:11:42 asciilifeform: (mice are easy - just pipe picture from the business end of standard optical mouse, hollowed out, into a remote cabinet to which its guts have been moved)

17:12:49 asciilifeform: shielding even a screen is nontrivial.

17:20:49 asciilifeform: http://www.cs.gmu.edu/~zduric/cs803/Simmons.pdf << unrelated but interesting from historical standpoint re: usg and practical use of rsa

17:20:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ew3JsA )

17:31:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was thinking btw, faraday cage is essentially a passive radiator element. what if made active ?

17:31:31 mircea_popescu: make a sort of cyclotron in your living room, all electrons end up on the plate.

17:34:49 chetty: ouch, worse than having a fan run while you sleep

17:34:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's forget optical fibres for a second and consider this : on a standard keyboard, making a spoke portrude from each key so that from a width-long perspective each spoke is separated by any other is trivial mechanically. lighting one width and sticking a camera on the other width then resolves the problem,

17:34:58 mircea_popescu: you now have optical keypress

17:35:16 mircea_popescu: chetty i guess so does all your dust plus the cats, huh

17:41:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: faraday cage is not (if correctly constructed) a radiating element at all

17:42:31 mircea_popescu: hence passive. it is still a radiator in my theoretical view of things, because it COULD

17:44:07 mircea_popescu: anyway, make mesh of two wires, so that on each hole you have at least one spot of wire at - potential and one spot at + potential. then the size of the hole and the intensity of the emission tell you how much potential you need in the cage.

17:44:24 mircea_popescu: for an arbitrary % of electron escape

17:44:34 asciilifeform: photon

17:44:50 mircea_popescu: particle.

17:45:11 mircea_popescu: hm.

17:45:14 mircea_popescu: dangit

17:50:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: spoke portrude from each key << manual typewriter. invitation for acoustic snoopery. (and camera - radiates.)

17:51:24 chetty: dont forget the tin hat

17:51:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the spoke doesn't touch anything

17:52:01 mircea_popescu: just goes down a quarter inch or w/e,. into the air.

17:52:03 asciilifeform: the 'tin hat' was always especially funny to folks who actually know a little physics, because parabolic antenna focused on brain.

17:52:15 mircea_popescu: well amygdalla, but yeah

17:52:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: into air, sure. and it vibrates. and no two spykes same length

17:52:28 mircea_popescu: oh.come.on.

17:52:39 mircea_popescu: is this your ploy to make me invent thought typing for you ?

17:52:43 asciilifeform: l0l

17:52:46 mircea_popescu: :)

17:53:20 asciilifeform: gedankenexperiment to wake folks up that keyboard for secure work ought to be 1) yes, mechanical 2) physically smallest that one can abide

17:53:27 chetty: well you can start with something like dragon speak and improves it :)

17:53:32 asciilifeform: ugh speaking

17:53:34 asciilifeform: fuck speaking

17:54:40 asciilifeform: and yes, ultimate kbd ought to be something you can use with your hands in a sack (of conductive cloth naturally.)

17:55:24 mircea_popescu: !up GlobalSolutions

17:55:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85700 @ 0.0002898 = 24.8359 BTC [+] {2}

17:55:38 GlobalSolutions: Its ok, I can type

17:55:51 GlobalSolutions: Just here to learn...

17:55:56 mircea_popescu: !down GlobalSolutions

17:55:58 mircea_popescu: kay.

17:57:23 *: asciilifeform picking self up from floor after http://www.umdrightnow.umd.edu/news/important-statement-president-wallace-loh

17:57:24 assbot: An Important Statement from President Wallace Loh | UMD Right Now :: University of Maryland ... ( http://bit.ly/1xynMSm )

17:58:42 mircea_popescu: "the Office of Civil Rights and Sexual Misconduct"

17:58:44 mircea_popescu: wait. what ?!

17:59:04 asciilifeform: part ii: http://www.president.umd.edu/statements/campus_message031715.cfm

17:59:05 assbot: Office of the President, University of Maryland ... ( http://bit.ly/1xyo9Mx )

17:59:11 mircea_popescu: "The University of Maryland remains committed to our core values of respect for human dignity, diversity, and inclusiveness."

17:59:24 mircea_popescu: the university of maryland is a fraud. those can't be the core values of an university.

17:59:24 chetty: got to love that freedom of speech right

18:00:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: american universities got cancer long ago ('60s) but now there is scarcely one detectable cell from the original patient at all, only tumour.

18:01:00 mircea_popescu: myeah.

18:01:44 asciilifeform: there was perhaps a few shredded flaps of still-chromosomally-passable tissue when i was a student there, a decade ago.

18:01:45 mircea_popescu: such nonsense tho. "our police department remains comitted to our core values of donuts and shooting the nigger"

18:02:09 mircea_popescu: "hey, that's exactly what should NOT be a value of yours, core or no core"

18:02:48 mircea_popescu: an university is by definition dedicated to exclusiveness.

18:03:25 mircea_popescu: it exists so as to exclude the scum so people who can think can do so, and young people who could one day think can come there to be away from their idiot families, small towns and government.

18:04:31 mircea_popescu: and as a side note, that's how probation came to be : originally clerics (ie, university students y compris) could claim eclesiastic jurisdiction before they lay court, and be taken before their rector to be judged there.

18:04:45 mircea_popescu: it was quickly limited to a "first offense only" thing

18:04:58 mircea_popescu: and it survived to this day

18:05:59 mircea_popescu: it is incidentally the model upon which i see the most serene republic coming to an agreement with the obsolete "states" : bitcoiners are outside of lay jurisdiction, and to be judged by bitcoin court.

18:07:01 asciilifeform: the latest lulz from umd almost beats the noose incident.

18:07:52 asciilifeform: (5 or so yrs ago, there was 'mass indignation', hastily-cooked mea culpas from virtually all organizations in any way connected with the campus, demonstrations 'of support' for 'the victims' - after a shred of rope was allegedly found hanging on a tree branch.)

18:08:56 asciilifeform: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3580350

18:08:58 assbot: Campus Noose Sparks Hate Crime Probe - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xypSBI )

18:09:41 asciilifeform: iirc it ended with something like a confession from whoever saw it that 'noose' was no noose at all, but a piece of garbage the wind carried

18:09:47 mircea_popescu: lol

18:09:53 asciilifeform: and the idiot parade quietly vanished

18:13:48 mircea_popescu: without anyone ever saying they were wrong, or stupid.

18:13:59 mircea_popescu: because they can't be wrong, or stupid, because they're smart and special.

18:14:02 asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing this.

18:14:08 mircea_popescu: perfect reason to actually hang them.

18:14:11 asciilifeform: !s sistine chapel ceiling

18:14:12 assbot: 1 results for 'sistine chapel ceiling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sistine+chapel+ceiling

18:14:16 mircea_popescu: heh

18:14:49 asciilifeform: or more pertinent example, the fabricated mega-gang-rapes of recent history

18:16:01 asciilifeform: 'sympathy', 'support', esp. of the usg-sponsored very tangible/financial variety is on tap, no questions asked. imagine if insurance worked this way - how many houses would still remain standing ?

18:17:44 asciilifeform: the mechanism in question actually -needs- exercise once in a while, or rusts. hence the increasingly lulzy faux mega-outrages and their regularity

18:18:23 asciilifeform: (thoughtcrimey email, from one drunken student to another, 15 months ago !?!)

18:19:17 asciilifeform: 'On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, the University of Maryland became aware of an email dated January 2014, 15 months ago. The vulgar language in the email expresses views that are reprehensible to our campus community. We immediately met with the individual involved and a University investigation is currently underway, led by the Office of Civil Rights and Sexual Misconduct. We are in contact with the University chapter of Kappa Sig

18:19:17 asciilifeform: ma and they have taken swift and decisive action in this matter. At their request, the University has committed to provide educational training on diversity and respect for the entire fraternity. The University of Maryland remains committed to our core values of respect for human dignity, diversity, and inclusiveness. We are deeply saddened by the impact this email is having on our community.'

18:19:23 asciilifeform: ^ copied here for the record

18:19:37 asciilifeform: because the morons think they can magic their own spew away when it turns embarrassing.

18:27:40 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: nice what? article? lol

18:28:15 mircea_popescu: yes.,

18:41:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103150 @ 0.00029145 = 30.0631 BTC [+] {2}

18:49:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.0002891 = 7.4299 BTC [-]

18:50:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124679 @ 0.00028653 = 35.7243 BTC [-]

18:52:20 mats: it falls

18:57:06 danielpbarron: !up coinking

18:58:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111246 @ 0.00028653 = 31.8753 BTC [-]

18:58:56 coinking: Hey guys, any BitBet mods around?

18:59:19 mats: http://www.catb.org/esr/structure-packing

18:59:20 assbot: The Lost Art of C Structure Packing ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBuXjr )

18:59:40 asciilifeform: mats: lost!?! l0l!

19:00:00 mats: esr sez so

19:00:16 asciilifeform: mats: incidentally, precise packings are not achievable without gcc pragma (or your compiler's equivalent)

19:00:32 asciilifeform: on of the 1,001 ways in which 'c' specification is a sad joke.

19:01:09 asciilifeform: and it is entirely non-negotiable if you're dealing with a hardware register where the bits have to fall -just so-

19:01:43 asciilifeform: or even if you're writing something as mundane as a disassembler.

19:02:36 asciilifeform: (you can achieve the desired layout with bitshifts and logic ops, and end up introducing hidden platform dependencies - endian and wordsize)

19:04:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134700 @ 0.00029236 = 39.3809 BTC [+]

19:11:54 danielpbarron: http://gfy.com/20417496-post6.html

19:11:55 assbot: GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum - View Single Post - For Sale Virtual Credit Cards (VCC) - Many Denominations - Instant Delivery - US & INTL Billing AVS ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBxvOr )

19:12:19 danielpbarron: re: the GlobalSolutions guy ^

19:12:37 mike_c: coinking: better to just ask your question.

19:13:56 coinking: ok cool, sure. I wanted to inquire about Content Management for BitBet - and if there was a want for Social Media Marketing & Management

19:16:08 kakobrekla: you want to promote bitbet?

19:16:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34729 @ 0.00028653 = 9.9509 BTC [-]

19:18:05 coinking: yeah, looking to offer my services to the twitter page

19:18:25 coinking: or any other social sites

19:19:15 nubbins`: bitbet has a twitter page?

19:19:32 coinking: I found one that was pretty inactive

19:19:42 danielpbarron: what are you talking about inactive?

19:19:50 danielpbarron: the thing tweets daily if not hourly

19:19:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81609 @ 0.00029236 = 23.8592 BTC [+]

19:20:13 coinking: oh maybe I was looking at a different one

19:21:07 danielpbarron: there are two; one tweets new bets and the other tweets individual bids on them

19:21:17 nubbins`: oh look

19:21:22 nubbins`: @BitBets and @BitBetsBets

19:21:29 coinking: there's always room for improvements :)

19:21:51 mike_c: coinking: they have an affiliate program if you want to do promotion.

19:22:08 coinking: cool, I'll check it out

19:22:37 mike_c: https://bitbet.us/faq/#43

19:22:38 assbot: FAQ BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBzLVV )

19:22:41 kakobrekla: well here is the thing, i am not paying a flat fee to someone to derp around on btc-poor social sites to gather 'likes', 'digs', 'twits' and 'impressions' which do not bring in bettors. but if you actually can bring in people with btc, use affiliate program to collect your reward.

19:26:32 coinking: I have a lot of good contact within crypto and have current and past clients as references. It's about perspective, the leads I bring as crypto enthusiasts yet building your social pages is never a bad move. It just depends on how much you think it's worth. It think long term it is something important in a business and has a direct impact on the bu

19:26:33 coinking: siness as a whole

19:27:22 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust coinking

19:27:23 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user coinking: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=coinking | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=coinking | Rated since: never

19:27:34 kakobrekla: aha.

19:28:59 asciilifeform: obligatory ^ http://oglaf.com/delusionist

19:29:00 assbot: Delusionist ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBB3jX )

19:30:17 mats: fun fact: zeroing a file in windows may actually leave the contents on the disk intact.

19:31:47 asciilifeform: zeroing a file anywhere you don't have direct access to the blocks may leave the contents on the disk

19:31:54 asciilifeform: and btw this includes all modern hdd.

19:32:20 mats: fun fact: the UIPI clipboard format whitelist is permissive enough to allow for exploitation of particular programs on 7 and 8.

19:33:23 kakobrekla: !up coinking

19:33:28 mats: additionally, MS has indicated several times that 'UAC' is not actually a security boundary

19:33:29 kakobrekla: anyway, get in the wot why dont you

19:34:10 asciilifeform: mats: on top of that is the mega-lol where winblows uac is the only usg-blessed 'security boundary' mechanism...

19:34:16 coinking: wot?

19:34:35 danielpbarron: !h

19:34:35 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

19:34:56 mats: so you can e.g. abuse auto-elevation behavior in COM (win7, 8) and use a save file dialog in paint as an elevated iexplore

19:35:21 asciilifeform: aha

19:35:27 mats: MS knows, says: feature

19:35:34 *: asciilifeform searches #b-a log for the discussion of this, for some reason cannot find

19:35:43 asciilifeform: pheature!

19:36:55 coinking: how do I enter?

19:38:12 danielpbarron: coinking, do you know how to GPG?

19:38:21 coinking: no I don't

19:38:35 mats: another fun fact: you can physically damage XP installations via ACPI parsing and NtSystemDebugControl, entirely in usermode

19:39:48 danielpbarron: coinking, http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/

19:39:51 assbot: Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBDe71 )

19:40:33 coinking: we can't just have a private convo on here?

19:41:01 danielpbarron: GPG is for proving who you are between sessions

19:41:33 coinking: ah ok

19:44:57 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yes., << well ty.

19:45:44 coinking: so is it only for mac?

19:46:06 danielpbarron: no

19:54:39 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because the morons think they can magic their own spew away when it turns embarrassing. << b-a logs will become the most interesting resource in not many years.

19:55:47 mircea_popescu: coinking social what ?

19:55:51 mircea_popescu: !up coinking

19:57:11 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-03-2015#1054130

19:57:11 assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 17:06:07; nubbins`: log would make a worthy tome, if one were able to sieve it first

19:57:21 mircea_popescu: quite.

19:57:35 mircea_popescu: well... get some teeny girlies on it.

19:57:48 mircea_popescu: that's the traditional socioeconomic use for fillies in human societies.

20:04:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00029513 = 8.426 BTC [+] {2}

20:06:11 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-genetics-of-intelligence/

20:06:42 coinking: Social media management, that's what I was inquiring about

20:07:26 coinking: I'm not sure who is directly involved in this project so I'll just me sending an email

20:19:40 kakobrekla: if you are going to write to @bitbet.us , i will be reading it

20:24:04 coinking: cool, should be there. It's trickier to chat about it through IRC so you will see from my email my personal details.

20:26:57 chetty: <coinking> Social media management//omg has it really come to that?

20:36:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1Y8PNX2.txt << mega-interesting

20:36:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBcTXg )

20:37:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the scope traces show a working rng, even.

20:38:02 asciilifeform: i did notice weird side terminals on the caps, thought it was a manufacturing artifact.

20:38:20 asciilifeform: plainly visible in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/fuckkuppy.jpg

20:38:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBd7O2 )

20:38:33 asciilifeform: (see upper left hand corner of photo, for instance)

20:38:50 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

20:38:51 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 265.44, Best ask: 265.63, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 265.64, 24 hour volume: 64508.08782313, 24 hour low: 263.01, 24 hour high: 288.3, 24 hour vwap: None

20:44:14 mircea_popescu: !up vorandrew

20:46:03 mike_c: so normal fuckup then, not even massively incompetent.

20:46:35 mike_c: it's nice that they figured it out.

20:46:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha! i wonder what the bug would have been

20:47:29 mircea_popescu: oh it's explained.

20:47:45 mircea_popescu: they have that massive an infrastructure that they cache the application !?

20:48:24 vorandrew: Does anybody know who is trading BTC difficulty CFD/Futures?

20:48:38 mircea_popescu: !gettrust vorandrew

20:48:41 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user vorandrew: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/vorandrew | http://w.b-a.link/user/vorandrew

20:48:53 mircea_popescu: nobody trades anything with people without a wot.

20:49:11 vorandrew: working on it

20:50:02 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, most public-facing diff futures seems to happen on bitbet.

20:50:27 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ sort of thing

20:50:28 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 :: 1750.25 B (93%) on Yes, 136.67 B (7%) on No | closed 1 year 1 month ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYTsoX )

21:05:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56318 @ 0.00029521 = 16.6256 BTC [+]

21:07:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this factually true, that you had the wrong part in there for a while, then switched it out to the right part and ordered immediately ?

21:08:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i switched through a number of offered substitute parts, one of which may well have been this inductor-capacitor combo (erroneously offered as circuit-equivalent)

21:09:06 mircea_popescu: aha

21:10:23 BingoBoingo: So, once you finalize a thing in their webapp you gotta sit on the page for a couple hours just to make sure the cache is sync'd or...

21:11:00 mircea_popescu: well hopefully they fixed it.

21:11:12 mircea_popescu: so let me ask you this composite question :

21:12:09 mircea_popescu: if the world was working as it did before computers, ascii would have been one of the few people with pen and paper, and wrote a description to one of the few people who made what he needed, and by virtue of that fewness they'd have actually been friends. the letter took a week to get there, the work took a week to be done, and so a month later alf has his peas or w/e he's needing for alchemy.

21:12:24 mircea_popescu: as the work works now, software makes everything much easier and faster. errors especially.

21:12:32 mircea_popescu: as a result... a month later alf does not have his peas.

21:12:38 mircea_popescu: please to progress on the dotted line.

21:12:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122200 @ 0.00029346 = 35.8608 BTC [-]

21:12:48 asciilifeform: pr0gre55!1111!11

21:13:56 mircea_popescu: "it takes us a second to do things that took a lifetime before - and they come with the guarantee of being something else entirely!"

21:14:24 mircea_popescu: it's easy, and fun.

21:14:40 asciilifeform: but if playing that gedanken-game fairly, possibly the 'progress' is in my being able to get things at all without serious moneys

21:14:52 mircea_popescu: depends how marginal you are.

21:14:57 *: asciilifeform is pretty marginal

21:15:11 mircea_popescu: if you're in the 1% that did then as it does now, the fact that there's a further aspirational 19% added to the pot does not help you

21:15:18 mircea_popescu: hopefully does also not hinder you, although...

21:15:55 asciilifeform: probably hanging from somewhere in that 19th, like that schmuck swinging from the last chopper out of saigon

21:16:10 mircea_popescu: how would we find this out ?

21:16:17 asciilifeform: idk just pulled from arse

21:16:29 asciilifeform: subjective perception.

21:16:40 mircea_popescu: no, i know. the problem with gedanken experiments is that they necessarily won't fit the reality

21:16:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00029171 = 10.1515 BTC [-] {2}

21:16:48 asciilifeform: based on rough eyeball of the kind of things can and cannot afford

21:16:50 mircea_popescu: sort-of like the stair of no return, once you left you can't walk back

21:19:42 asciilifeform: see, if i were the kind of fella who has money, would not have been having any of the problem described in this tale. would have either seen the boards made within a week (actual business relationship with factory, sleep ad libitum and fly in to supervise in person with own eyes) or would have a legit conveyor with requisite machinery in-house, and same

21:20:44 mircea_popescu: it's not a simple matter of money, as money's not invariant over the cases we discuss.

21:21:19 asciilifeform: 'money' in the allocator sense (see old mircea_popescu thread about subsistence vs capital-allocator)

21:21:28 asciilifeform: or the 'percent of pie' sense discussed in possibly same thread

21:21:46 mircea_popescu: but you don't need that. you merely need to be deemed by a major capital allocator worthy of the allocation.

21:22:35 mircea_popescu: the us congress does not particularly think loyd austin of the army is very smart,

21:22:50 mircea_popescu: nor are the billions being spent his own personal pocket money he could buy icecream with otherwise.

21:23:49 asciilifeform: well yes. that is normally how it works.

21:24:25 mircea_popescu: also throws a monkey wrench in our guesswork.

21:24:39 mircea_popescu: where's that oglaf

21:24:54 mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/labyrinth/

21:24:55 assbot: Labyrinth ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvUcIS )

21:25:54 asciilifeform: this is why i always say that victory is far, that 'we' are small and 'they' are - stupid, yes - but gigantic. the entire s.nsa ipo would not have bought a proper pick'n'placer, not even talking about real estate to house it in a place which i could economically get to, etc.

21:26:01 asciilifeform: and this was at 'peak btc-usd' to date

21:26:10 asciilifeform: deliberately using the goxbubble numbers

21:26:35 mircea_popescu: well yes.

21:26:55 mircea_popescu: so we are small and they are tinier still and the world's immense.

21:26:57 mircea_popescu: which... yeah.

21:27:30 asciilifeform: 'they', for instance, don't have to split attention between N day jobs

21:28:08 asciilifeform: or ask around, futile, whether a hosting co. or manufacturing house somewhere might agree to take a little btc business

21:28:30 mircea_popescu: right. they just win wars in afghanistan.

21:28:32 asciilifeform: l0l

21:28:55 chetty: well if it was easy everybody would do it ;)

21:29:03 asciilifeform: 'they' make $maxint by sending cartloads of meat to get liquified in afghan, and the like

21:29:48 mircea_popescu: i know a little girl who is a princess.

21:29:52 mircea_popescu: bout the same thing.

21:30:02 mircea_popescu: she makes $maxint diamonds by flying unicorns around.

21:30:41 mike_c: this still seems promising to me. so new little shop had a bug in their order form. doesn't make them useless.

21:30:50 asciilifeform: mike_c: didn't say 'useless'

21:31:01 asciilifeform: mike_c: if the thing shows up on fri., and works to spec, then useful, sure

21:31:08 asciilifeform: mike_c: but i'm still empty-handed for C-III

21:31:14 mike_c: yeah. debugging is nice, delivering is better.

21:31:33 mike_c: not empty-handed if they deliver though, right?

21:31:54 asciilifeform: mike_c: did you actually think the rng was the cargo? rng was exhibited at C-II

21:32:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00029562 = 21.462 BTC [+] {2}

21:32:33 mike_c: i didn't actually think I knew all the details. so schedule for getting it by c3 is blown?

21:32:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so tell them that you want them to rush the 2nd joib as much as humanly possible and fly it over.

21:33:05 mircea_popescu: and don't wait for the boards to show up to put the 2nd job order in, either.

21:33:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking of doing this.

21:33:32 mircea_popescu: yeah. not enough $ at risk to be that cautious.

21:34:28 asciilifeform: mike_c: understand, i cannot blame this particular vendor for the overall pace of the work - only self. (in particular, i am not clever enough to escape from having a fairly intense day job)

21:35:00 mircea_popescu: yeah, you are a very very bad man.

21:35:16 asciilifeform: mike_c: the tale with the board house was simply a case of 'wunderwaffen' that did not fire to spec

21:35:16 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN29X2HCKpU

21:35:18 assbot: Bad Man Montage - Babu from Seinfeld - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18IZajs )

21:35:40 mike_c: i'm not interested in blaming anyone. but if these guys can speed up the schedule, let's keep them working.

21:36:04 mike_c: all the better if they feel they fked up and need to do better on next round.

21:36:09 asciilifeform: mike_c: aha

21:36:57 asciilifeform: mike_c: the other half of that thread was that i had serious doubts re: whether the service offered by mf inc. was actually economically possible as described, and ergo i might be a chump

21:37:33 mike_c: yeah. seems like it might be legit so far.

21:38:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform corporate moneyz, what do you care.

21:39:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cared because 'if you don't know precisely who at the table is the chump...'

21:39:58 mircea_popescu: hehe.

21:40:06 mircea_popescu: anyway, srsly, it's a reaosnable attempt, go for it.

21:51:49 ben_vulpes: why is it crashing

21:52:20 ben_vulpes: ooh here's a fancy

21:52:30 ben_vulpes: http://www.blackrockblog.com/blackrock-sovereign-risk-indicator/ << via holtzy

21:52:31 assbot: BlackRock Sovereign Risk Indicator | BlackRock Blog | Global Market Intelligence ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvZ2FU )

21:52:45 ben_vulpes: ( http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/03/sovereign-risk-indicator/ , for posterity)

21:52:46 assbot: Sovereign Risk Indicator | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvZ94m )

21:53:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00029579 = 11.0182 BTC [+]

21:56:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172300 @ 0.00029586 = 50.9767 BTC [+] {2}

22:00:01 ben_vulpes: dude argentina has a negative willingness to pay?

22:00:04 ben_vulpes: what bullshit is this.

22:02:15 mircea_popescu: it does.

22:03:33 ben_vulpes: clearly i don't understand the term of art.

22:04:04 ben_vulpes: i was thinking of the money sitting in NY, intended for bondholders.

22:04:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2015#1056654 << that's the correct name, how did you know ? got the same ?

22:04:35 assbot: Logged on 18-03-2015 13:57:11; nubbins`: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Alare Kool is from Bangladesh!

22:04:48 mats: http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/18/investing/federal-reserve-rate-announcement/index.html

22:04:49 assbot: Fed removes 'patient': Prepare for an interest rate hike - Mar. 18, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lw1exg )

22:05:08 mircea_popescu: check it out, fed's reading the logs.

22:05:40 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes saying they're behaving like a forumite scammer is being generous.

22:05:56 mats: i thought the same thing

22:06:14 ben_vulpes: we're both retarded, mats.

22:06:42 ben_vulpes: i must not be reading anything closely enough today.

22:06:53 mircea_popescu: "Thew, of Radcliffe, Greater Manchester, admitted a Section 4A Public Order Offence (displaying writing or other visible representation with intention of causing harassment, alarm or distress) and was sentenced at Minshull Street Crown Court today."

22:07:02 mircea_popescu: check out the uk lmao.

22:07:07 mircea_popescu: !up lsaul

22:07:20 mircea_popescu: "hurting people's feelings", a "section 4a public order offence"

22:07:28 ben_vulpes: last few lines of that article suggest there was a parole violation involved.

22:08:23 mats: ben_vulpes: i was responding to mircea_popescu there

22:08:35 ben_vulpes: i'm the idiot today

22:08:38 ben_vulpes: !down ben_vulpes

22:08:43 mircea_popescu: 'To mock or joke about the tragic events of that morning is morally reprehensible and Thew has rightly been convicted and sentenced for his actions.

22:08:44 mircea_popescu: da fuck.

22:09:00 mircea_popescu: speech can not be morally reprehensible for crying out loud.

22:09:04 mircea_popescu: morals apply to actions.

22:10:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42950 @ 0.00029565 = 12.6982 BTC [-]

22:14:54 BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/18/university-went-bankrupt-amid-tighter-federal-scrutiny-looks-collect-money-former << Edu lol

22:14:57 assbot: University that went bankrupt amid tighter federal scrutiny looks to collect money from former students @insidehighered ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lw2Wi7 )

22:16:39 mircea_popescu: http://wtfevolution.tumblr.com/post/100079923190/i-think-im-kind-of-over-heads-youre-over << great lol

22:16:40 assbot: WTF, Evolution?! • "I think I’m kind of over heads." "You’re ‘over’... ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lw3bKa )

22:17:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00029588 = 12.3678 BTC [+]

22:18:02 mircea_popescu: "The closure of a college often leaves students in limbo. Without being able to finish a degree, students must scramble to transfer and to figure out how to deal with the debt they have racked up."

22:18:11 mircea_popescu: wait, someone actually pays a college that doesn't complete the program ?

22:18:30 mircea_popescu: what's next, someone brings you half a hambuger and you pay half the price forone ?

22:18:56 BingoBoingo: Seriously

22:20:07 BingoBoingo: College closed, but perviously had been faking Federal loans, nao wants the money back even though its closed.

22:20:24 mircea_popescu: "Mid-Continent, which first opened in 1949 but received federal student aid only for the past decade or so, caught the attention of regulators at the Education Department in 2011, according to documents obtained by Inside Higher Ed."

22:20:29 mircea_popescu: talk about embrace and extinguish.

22:20:53 asciilifeform: they, of course, would say 'we busted a sc4mz0r'

22:21:15 ben_vulpes: fwiw, the class is the unit of purchase at us scamversity

22:21:28 mircea_popescu: ?It?s not to say that we didn?t have the right information but the problem was being able to produce it quickly and produce it? in the format that the department wanted, Walker said.

22:21:53 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where i went it was the 'credit-hour'

22:21:53 mircea_popescu: i guess they didn;t teach perl.

22:23:44 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo check it out btw, no fudstorm ensued.

22:24:07 BingoBoingo: Seriously am surprised

22:24:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00029588 = 4.3198 BTC [+]

22:26:53 mircea_popescu: some signatures better than others.

22:33:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50500 @ 0.00029678 = 14.9874 BTC [+] {2}

22:33:39 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo3gaaNsQJ1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg

22:33:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Esf4Yd )

22:40:10 cazalla: http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/mar/18/ashley-judd-to-press-charges-twitter-sexual-harassment

22:40:11 assbot: Ashley Judd to press charges against Twitter users over sexual harassment | Film | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Esg0vN )

22:46:30 danielpbarron: she doesn't want them to say the things, so she encourages them by retweeting it!?

22:48:37 danielpbarron: she either doesn't know how twitter works, or knows exactly how twitter works

22:54:17 davout: lol

22:58:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71600 @ 0.00029565 = 21.1685 BTC [-]

23:00:26 mircea_popescu: who's ashley judd

23:00:38 fluffypony: who isn't ashley judd!

23:00:49 fluffypony: I think we're all ashley judd in our own special way

23:00:54 fluffypony: what can I say, I'm a juddist

23:01:08 fluffypony: juddist priest

23:01:10 mircea_popescu: lol o wait, singer-songwriter/actress/newswoman/political activist. i see.

23:02:15 mircea_popescu: fluffypony well, can you be specific ?

23:02:25 fluffypony: I have no idea who she is

23:02:32 fluffypony: I was just rambling

23:02:52 fluffypony: clearly I'm practicing for the upcoming conference circuit :-P

23:03:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00029395 = 8.0542 BTC [-]

23:04:28 mircea_popescu: lol

23:06:00 cazalla: mircea_popescu, some bitch in her 40s who pretends she is being sexual harassed on twitter

23:07:28 mircea_popescu: myeah, about as credible as her pretense to fame, talent et all.

23:16:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75350 @ 0.00029573 = 22.2833 BTC [+]

23:20:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7363 @ 0.00029682 = 2.1855 BTC [+]

23:34:14 danielpbarron: http://epicsol.org/~misha/deraadt/55

23:34:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19AJY9l )

23:37:00 danielpbarron: for those also reading this email dump, 53 is where Hannum finally addresses Theo

23:37:30 danielpbarron: 54/55 is Theo's response which is quite funny

23:38:02 danielpbarron: "Charles, i feel your answer to be a rather virtiolic flame."

23:38:24 danielpbarron: "i'm somewhat unhappy to hear you say what you are saying, or the tone

23:38:24 danielpbarron: you use. you are not being nice. i do not understand what you expect

23:38:26 danielpbarron: to gain from saying things as you have."

23:42:18 danielpbarron: and yeah, Hannum was clearly the aggressor; Demetriou comes off as trying to make reconciliations

23:45:32 danielpbarron: !up vorandrew are your quit/rejoins an attempt to get voice? there are better ways...

23:48:24 vorandrew: :) sorry - debugging some start scripts... will find other server

23:49:19 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron well i certainly didn't go in as far as that

23:50:38 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> danielpbarron well i certainly didn't go in as far as that << This is why we read. You've got more important stuff to read most of the time.

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23:51:00 mircea_popescu: heh, believing that is how i end up dumb.

23:51:35 BingoBoingo: lol

23:51:58 mircea_popescu: btw re the entire satoshi thing : anyone ever considered it's maybe a homage to Satoshi Kanazawa ?

23:52:14 mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest miciurins of all time

23:56:38 mircea_popescu: !up danyalos

23:57:53 danyalos: Thanks Mircea

23:58:00 mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?