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00:07:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00082407 = 6.1393 BTC [-]

00:09:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00082407 = 20.0249 BTC [-]

00:15:09 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 right ?

00:17:13 mircea_popescu: btw moiety_ http://fraudsters.com/2011/pisicute/

00:17:15 assbot: Pisicute pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:24:00 moiety_: mircea_popescu: they are so tiny! so cute, but they need some biscuits

00:24:43 moiety_: are they yours?

00:24:59 moiety_: googles not translating well for me D;

00:25:17 moiety_: perhaps mine are just fat cats

00:28:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06700542 = 0.7371 BTC [+] {2}

00:29:37 moiety: ffs freenode

00:31:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27366 @ 0.00082545 = 22.5893 BTC [+]

00:31:52 Mats_cd03: for future reference, the no poo pills i was referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loperamide

00:31:52 assbot: Loperamide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:32:27 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: interesting case of the kind of thinking that gave us, e.g. DXM

00:33:03 Mats_cd03: i may have used it a few times to punish a thief in the office

00:33:17 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: 'let's take a drug that's been known for 5,000 years, but is too much fun; nip at the structure a bit until we have a - anti-diarrheal, cough suppressant, etc. that's almost as good as opium.'

00:33:42 Mats_cd03: thats p much how rx research works no?

00:33:59 Mats_cd03: brute force all of the things. see what works, rinse, repeat.

00:34:01 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: not necessarily - where in nature do you find, e.g. ssri

00:34:10 asciilifeform: talking about the goal, vs. the process

00:34:16 Mats_cd03: o

00:34:25 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SSRI came from... Benadryl!

00:34:31 asciilifeform: sure.

00:34:51 asciilifeform: dxm, loperamide, etc. solve what might be called 'fiat problems'

00:35:11 Mats_cd03: after 1 no pill a day for 4 days during a field exercise, i was literally full of shit

00:35:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/

00:35:31 Mats_cd03: i used a scale...my poop was 4.6 pounds

00:35:36 asciilifeform: in both examples, ordinary opium is the champ

00:36:44 asciilifeform: interestingly, sometimes the pharma folks fail: they spent some years trying to cough up a dopamine reuptake inhibitor that doesn't reduce to a synthetic cocaine, and, afaik, gave up

00:37:31 asciilifeform: 1) pick a problem 2) ban solution 3) ??? 4) profit!

00:40:37 asciilifeform: this is why the 'optimize for patentability' process is an inevitable crock of shit. when the scamz0rs can't enclose the commons - they torch them.

00:40:49 moiety: is it just me or does the fraudsters header change more frequently these days?

00:43:19 mike_c: the latter.

00:44:04 mike_c: Mats_cd03: hopefully you weighed yourself before and after and didn't pile your shit on some poor scale.

00:44:15 moiety: thanks mike_c

00:44:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.00082545 = 7.7105 BTC [+]

00:45:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4159 @ 0.00082669 = 3.4382 BTC [+]

00:46:25 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They founf a dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor in Bupropion. Note the substitution that was made... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion

00:46:25 assbot: Bupropion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:46:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so weak as to be almost useless.

00:46:45 BingoBoingo: (The interesting part is the picture... check the ring)

00:47:00 asciilifeform: which is the way usg likes it.

00:47:12 Mats_cd03: mike_c: har har

00:47:19 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not useless, just... dangerous in actually useful amounts.

00:47:49 asciilifeform: ~= useless.

00:49:59 moiety: i get the kitten post now. good work mircea_popescu lol you need to source some ar ones.

00:51:08 asciilifeform: btc folks who expect to 'can have problems' from daring to demonetize the dollar should contemplate gedankenexperiment - what'd happen to a nation that 'demonetizes'... cocaine. (that is, establishes dirt-cheap production & distribution.) if your starfish doesn't quiver at the thought of the 'problems you can have' then...

00:51:37 moiety: bupropion is given rarely here as an antidepressant but more as an anti smoking thing, as its not licensed in the same was as in the us

00:51:45 moiety: way*

00:51:54 asciilifeform: learn how alchemists were treated back when influential folks thought that alchemy might work

00:55:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the basic idea behind the 'antidepressant' market is at least as mistaken as the phlogiston theory. so what kind of result can be expected.

00:56:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, well at least it has been since MOAIs fell to the wayside.

00:57:06 BingoBoingo: ;;google new nardil sucks

00:57:07 gribble: Old Nardil Vs. New Nardil - Emsam and other MAOIs - Crazy Talk ...: http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/topic/5897-old-nardil-vs-new-nardil/; Nardil and Dry Mouth - Depression: http://depression.emedtv.com/nardil/nardil-and-dry-mouth.html; Drug Ratings for NARDIL - Ask a Patient: (1 more message)

00:57:22 BingoBoingo: Seems drugs can have problems too

00:57:54 BingoBoingo: moiety: Here Bupropion is used frequently when people discover aspects of the SSRI side effect profile.

00:58:04 asciilifeform: e.g. impotence

00:58:45 BingoBoingo: impotence, inability to orgasm,... the full set is rather large

00:59:18 asciilifeform: the basic formula of antidepressant market: 1) http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#722631 2) side effects are a gift from the gods: 10 side effects - 10 kinds of pill you can now sell.

00:59:19 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

00:59:53 asciilifeform: i've met folks taking 5+ psych meds, mostly against... each other

01:01:13 mircea_popescu: moiety those were babies

01:01:18 BingoBoingo: It's usually how things work

01:01:25 *: asciilifeform notes similarity to the software 'industry'

01:01:49 moiety: i had a patient that was on so many conflicting medications his liver was shutting down. every time i saw him, he was thinner and felt worse and they just wouldn't do anything. i'm worried what happened to him since i left

01:02:08 BingoBoingo: The only significant problem with MAOIs was they prevented selling the patient other drugs... at least drugs that aren't amphetamines

01:02:32 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> Mats_cd03: hopefully you weighed yourself before and after and didn't pile your shit on some poor scale. << freezer bags ftw

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01:02:44 BingoBoingo: !b 1

01:03:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << i don't see it. columbia.

01:03:47 Mats_cd03: dafuq am i going to do with freezer bags

01:03:58 asciilifeform: columbia << not a military giant who can make the 'demonetization' stick globally.

01:04:09 asciilifeform: a la brits/opium/19th-c.

01:04:33 moiety: they have started bowel screening here for the 50+. you get cardboard sticks and instructions to shit on your bagged hand and smear it on a chart with said sticks, which you do over the course of X days and send it off to the GP

01:04:37 moiety: poor postmen

01:05:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well now that all depends.

01:05:43 mircea_popescu: you can buy cocaine can't you ?

01:05:51 asciilifeform: cocaine demonetization is, of course, gedankenexperiment. nobody interesting is particularly well-positioned to benefit from it, and so it won't happen - just as cardboard full-height replica of eiffel's tower won't happen.

01:06:03 moiety: Mats_cd03: use it like a mit lol

01:07:32 mircea_popescu: fun fact : psychiatrists with child practices occasionally get to see cases of prepubescent kids that anally masturbate with their shit and end up with serious constipation issues

01:07:34 mircea_popescu: apparently it's a thing

01:07:39 mircea_popescu: (documented for centuries etc)

01:07:46 asciilifeform: herr doktor freud

01:08:33 Mats_cd03: wat

01:08:49 Mats_cd03: for fucks sake

01:09:19 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 welcome to -assets, where you broaden

01:09:22 mircea_popescu: your horizonts.

01:11:03 asciilifeform: (coke is no more difficult to churn out by the gigaton than, e.g. progesterone. do you see it at local pharmacist for a penny a dose? didn't think so. because it is a kind of chemical / international fiat currency. with all of the features that come with such.)

01:11:52 mircea_popescu: notrly. sugar is a better comparison

01:12:03 mircea_popescu: coke is an agro product. and for that matter, quite similar to sugar

01:12:17 mircea_popescu: so your gedanken experiment could well be carried out in a world where coke is the currency and sugar is illegal.

01:12:41 mircea_popescu: http://www.imperialsugar.com/vintage-imperial-sugar/vintage-commercials

01:12:42 assbot: Vintage Commercials | Imperial Sugar

01:12:43 asciilifeform: could easily become the same kind of 'agro product' as... insulin.

01:12:57 asciilifeform: (bacterium is energetically-cheaper than plowing fields)

01:13:03 mircea_popescu: i wonder.

01:13:13 mircea_popescu: if this were true coke market in the us would be like meth market

01:13:16 mircea_popescu: it's not.

01:13:34 asciilifeform: genetically diddling e-coli is tricky.

01:13:52 TheNewDeal: wait are we talking about Coke or coke

01:13:55 asciilifeform: c

01:14:46 TheNewDeal: I was going to say, Coke is verrry similar to sugar

01:15:02 TheNewDeal: still won't see it for 1 cent at your local whatnot

01:15:38 mircea_popescu: actually coke is very similar to fructose

01:15:52 asciilifeform: coke market in the us would be like meth market << nope. bioreactor (aside from somebody having to jump the hurdle and produce the transgenic critter in the first place) is a considerably more cerebral undertaking than grignard reaction in a garage.

01:16:10 TheNewDeal: fructose is sugar

01:16:27 TheNewDeal: subset

01:17:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you say this on the basis of what.

01:17:51 asciilifeform: a world where coke is the currency and sugar is illegal... an agro product << point of the second (e. coli) gedankenexperiment isn't that the planet needs a gigaton of coke (perhaps it does, but i digress) but would be to profit maximally off the 'demonetization.'

01:17:53 mircea_popescu: people microbrew, god love them.

01:17:55 asciilifeform: which 'this' ?

01:18:09 mircea_popescu: "is a considerably more cerebral"

01:18:19 asciilifeform: aha

01:18:53 *: asciilifeform was involved in a (failed) project to churn out butyrylcholinesterase via transgenics.

01:19:39 mircea_popescu: ya but i mean...

01:19:55 mircea_popescu: before every hick set his garage on fire trying to make meth

01:20:04 mircea_popescu: people thought organic synthesis is a cerebral endeavour

01:20:10 mircea_popescu: now they have a reality show abvout it

01:20:32 asciilifeform: it is again - when the one-step precursors are unavailable

01:20:49 asciilifeform: (the hicks don't start with a bag of carbon, a bottle of water...)

01:20:55 TheNewDeal: or you just have to know people that steal a gigaton of the precursor?

01:21:25 asciilifeform: in this scenario, the 'cerebral' work was done for you - by the folks who built the plant which churns out pseudoephedrine by the gigaton

01:22:02 mircea_popescu: "Current meds: lamotrigine 300mg, topiramate 325mg, buspirone 60mg, protriptyline 60mg, EPA 600mg, methylphenidate 5-10mg, lorazepam 1mg PRN

01:22:02 mircea_popescu: Past meds (likely incomplete): Abilify, clonazepam, desipramine, diazepam, Gabitril, lithium, Neurontin, Paxil, prochlorperazine, Provigil, Prozac, Risperdal, Seroquel, Serzone, Strattera, Trileptal, Zyprexa"

01:22:11 mircea_popescu: poor livers.

01:22:21 asciilifeform: poor cns.

01:22:33 TheNewDeal: who has this list?

01:22:37 mircea_popescu: what cns ?

01:22:43 TheNewDeal: central nervous system

01:22:44 asciilifeform: central nervous

01:23:16 mircea_popescu: http://crazy-meds1.blogspot.com << this guy

01:23:17 assbot: Batshit Crazy & Medicated for your Protection

01:23:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know dude. the idea is there's no such thing in there

01:24:17 asciilifeform: lol

01:26:05 asciilifeform: if before dr. mengele got to him - there was - certainly not after.

01:26:32 TheNewDeal: I like this guy alreadh

01:26:53 asciilifeform: (likely that, in the future, folks will view today's medical profession in much the same light we see herr mengele)

01:27:37 TheNewDeal: many currently do

01:27:38 mircea_popescu: medical profession maybe not, but the "mental health" "professionals" definitely.

01:28:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00082498 = 9.6523 BTC [-]

01:28:22 asciilifeform: by and large, they 'are only following orders' - as described by, e.g. TLP. but still.

01:28:58 TheNewDeal: tlp?

01:29:06 asciilifeform: ;;google the last psychiatrist

01:29:07 gribble: The Last Psychiatrist: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/; The Last Psychiatrist Archives: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/archives.html; The Last Psychiatrist: Who Bullies The Bullies?: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/05/cyberbll.html

01:29:43 TheNewDeal: gribble quit it with the ">;" crap

01:31:08 nubbins`: can't leave a dangling <

01:31:43 BingoBoingo: http://crazy-meds1.blogspot.com << this guy << His pre-CNS collapse occupation if you read deep enough, Big Iron Programmer.

01:31:44 assbot: Batshit Crazy & Medicated for your Protection

01:33:03 nubbins`: makes sense

01:33:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people hung for just following orders at nurnberg

01:33:47 mircea_popescu: one day people will hang for just following orders in what once was washington, dc, too.

01:33:47 asciilifeform: aye.

01:33:51 nubbins`: more for following the wrong ones

01:33:56 mircea_popescu: exactly.

01:34:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's right.

01:34:25 nubbins`: which is why one should avoid being placed in situations where one can be easily ordered

01:34:27 mircea_popescu: just like turing.

01:34:40 mircea_popescu: nubbins` naive copout that. you're always ordered.

01:34:47 mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pick a good sovereign and stick to it.

01:35:00 nubbins`: or rather, where the enforcing of said ordering is a common occurrence

01:35:21 asciilifeform: 'you commit atrocities with the sovereign you have, not the sovereign you wish you had.' (apologies to mr bush)

01:35:46 nubbins`: unfortunately, picking a good sovereign likely requires you to pass through the hands of the worst sovereign of them all (int'l border control)

01:36:52 mircea_popescu: maybe

01:37:14 asciilifeform: good sovereign << a cryptozoological animal

01:38:54 mircea_popescu: ;;google "is a source of immense satisfaction to me"

01:38:55 gribble: Use immense in a sentence | immense sentence examples: http://sentence.yourdictionary.com/immense; It gives me immense pleasure to inform all the members and ...: http://www.b-u.ac.in/bu-icai/syllabus.pdf; Immense | Define Immense at Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immense

01:39:18 mircea_popescu: check it out, google has managed to erase history. the only winner of nurenberg doesn't exist in the brave new world.

01:39:31 asciilifeform: lol

01:39:42 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, are you ordered too ?

01:39:54 mircea_popescu: no, i'm an asshole.

01:41:32 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> good sovereign << a cryptozoological animal << this reduces to saying there's nothing to live for.

01:41:46 asciilifeform: some of us live for the unicorn hunt.

01:41:59 nubbins`: the meat is so tasty

01:42:11 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Okapi2.jpg

01:42:24 asciilifeform: even should it be necessary to genetically diddle goats to obtain said beast

01:42:31 nubbins`: i've seen one of those in person

01:42:34 nubbins`: in uh

01:42:38 nubbins`: in mammal

01:42:41 *: nubbins` shrugs uncomfortably

01:43:22 nubbins`: meanwhile, in vancouver: http://i.imgur.com/qKcGpzi.jpg

01:44:20 TheNewDeal: hahaha

01:44:28 asciilifeform: can't dig it up in nature? build. unless we have hands solely to jack off with.

01:44:48 TheNewDeal: most definitely the latter

01:45:09 asciilifeform: dovetails nicely with the discussion of recombinant cocain-excreting e.coli.

01:45:16 mircea_popescu: lol such dude

01:45:25 TheNewDeal: gimme somma dat

01:47:16 moiety: http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/17/rolf-steiner-cow-gets-stuck-on-roof-in-swiss-alps-4764420/

01:47:17 assbot: Rolf Steiner: Cow gets stuck on roof near Swiss Alps | Metro News

01:47:40 moiety: this cow needs some time in the park

01:49:38 nubbins`: cow chilling park

01:50:17 BingoBoingo: Suggested sidebar link http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/17/ouch-man-slaps-an-opossum-gets-a-handful-of-400-porcupine-quills-4765333/

01:50:18 assbot: Brazilian man slaps an opossum, gets a handful of 400 porcupine quills | Metro News

01:50:45 asciilifeform: philosophy of building with own hands >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji4t6QQn8KM << english translation in 'show more' tab

01:50:45 assbot: - /You are a Man ( ) - YouTube

01:51:02 moiety: oh nubbins`, i watched quite a few films when i was internetless. This is really good: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1242460/ (also shutter island and inception but i think i'm the only one in the world who hadn't seen those yet)

01:51:03 assbot: We Need to Talk About Kevin (2011) - IMDb

01:52:16 moiety: how on earth did that man get the two confused

01:53:36 []bot: Bet created: "Suarez to stay at Liverpool" http://bitbet.us/bet/949/

01:53:39 TheNewDeal: and inception returns to mediocrity after you watch it a couple more times

01:54:02 TheNewDeal: was great the first time, good the second, ...

01:54:09 moiety: i don't understand how anyone could have found it confusing

01:54:18 TheNewDeal: most people are... stupid?

01:54:36 moiety: fair point

01:54:36 TheNewDeal: or lack attention spans that last 120+ minutes

01:54:42 TheNewDeal: some combination

01:55:00 moiety: most people don't watch memento the full way through or complain it doesn't make sense either

01:55:47 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell organofcorti nice site btw

01:55:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:56:21 mircea_popescu: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com << he's like the mike_c of mining

01:56:21 assbot: Neighbourhood Pool Watch

01:57:15 BingoBoingo: And he's been doing it for quite a while

01:57:31 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/BxIRSGj.jpg

01:57:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo kinda how one gets good yeah

01:58:02 TheNewDeal: moiety momento was quality

02:02:42 moiety: i thought so too TheNewDeal

02:07:37 []bot: Bet created: "A pool will have at least 51% of the Bitcoin network" http://bitbet.us/bet/950/

02:07:56 TheNewDeal: ridiculous http://kotaku.com/decades-later-someones-discovered-a-new-super-mario-br-1591884544?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow

02:07:56 assbot: Decades Later, Someone's Discovered a New Super Mario Bros. Glitch

02:10:42 TheNewDeal: so does that 51% have to occur over a week time period?

02:11:44 TheNewDeal: faack gotta go to sleep

02:14:19 []bot: Bet created: "Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza" http://bitbet.us/bet/951/

02:14:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla o look at that, 179:144

02:15:15 kakobrekla: you will never reach my registration date!

02:15:24 mircea_popescu: damn

02:15:44 mircea_popescu: I WAS BUSY THAT MAY DAMNIT

02:16:21 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

02:16:24 gribble: Current Blocks: 306422 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 9 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13448095222.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.38809

02:17:59 mircea_popescu: sooo 14 seems certain huh.

02:18:45 mike_c: unless.. http://bitbet.us/bet/871/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall-in-2014/

02:18:45 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014 :: 1.3 B (62%) on Yes, 0.81 B (38%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 day| weight: 91`228 (100`000 to 1)

02:21:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.21959695 = 1.5372 BTC [+] {3}

02:24:48 mircea_popescu: yeah i guess.

02:30:51 BingoBoingo: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/did-la-kings-fans-take-out-lapd-drone-during-stanley-cup-party-135942533.html

02:30:53 assbot: Did LA Kings fans take out LAPD drone during Stanley Cup party? | Puck Daddy - Yahoo Sports

02:31:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5775 @ 0.00082669 = 4.7741 BTC [+]

02:42:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/kncminer-expects-ship-20nm-week/

02:44:25 mike_c: hmph. well, maybe 14 is for sure :)

02:46:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.0000985 = 1.4775 BTC [-] {2}

02:57:27 mircea_popescu: knc kinda delivers don't they

02:58:23 BingoBoingo: Often broken and shitty product, but yeah

02:59:22 asciilifeform: miner... delivers << still seems analogous to... if toilet paper were always shipped lightly-used.

03:00:21 mircea_popescu: lol

03:00:32 cazalla: knc bet might just get there heh

03:04:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8885 @ 0.00082679 = 7.346 BTC [+] {2}

03:22:28 benkay: http://nsapwn.com

03:22:29 assbot: NSA Pwnage Calculator

03:24:28 asciilifeform: benkay: related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9OGmaGwoo << translation: 'who is stronger? elephant, or whale?'

03:24:28 assbot: - YouTube

03:37:29 trinque: benkay: that makes me think govt control of BTC is hard to avoid

03:38:10 Mats_cd03: 21:29 <•TheNewDeal> gribble quit it with the ">;" crap << your client sucks, mine parses it correctly

03:41:27 Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats

03:41:29 gribble: Current Blocks: 306432 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 53850340580.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 300.00015

03:41:40 Mats_cd03: lol?

03:46:22 Mats_cd03: ;;math 1.3462^1.04

03:46:22 gribble: Error: The "Math" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "1.3462^1.04" in it. Try "list Math" to see the commands in the "Math" plugin.

03:46:31 Mats_cd03: ;;math 1.3462**1.04

03:46:31 gribble: Error: The "Math" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "1.3462**1.04" in it. Try "list Math" to see the commands in the "Math" plugin.

03:46:40 Mats_cd03: fuck you

03:53:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4664 @ 0.00082725 = 3.8583 BTC [+]

05:00:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10060 @ 0.00082725 = 8.3221 BTC [+]

05:17:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.0008237 = 35.7074 BTC [-] {3}

05:18:04 moiety: http://lovemeow.com/2014/06/cat-and-lynx-become-inseparable-friends/ :D

05:18:05 assbot: Cat And Lynx Become Inseparable Friends

05:26:02 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 500 @ 0.00227025 = 1.1351 BTC [+] {3}

05:30:36 Apocalyptic: ;;calc 1.3462**1.04

05:30:37 gribble: 1.36230380511

05:30:44 Apocalyptic: Mats_cd03, ^

05:36:42 FabianB: mircea_popescu: jurov: it should do bait << it should do mp approved bait. <-- it kind of does now, even probably not what you expected

05:47:58 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

05:48:11 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

05:48:13 gribble: Current Blocks: 306443 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 2004 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11878747551.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -11.7647

06:16:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2980 @ 0.00082725 = 2.4652 BTC [+]

06:17:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.20023447 = 0.6007 BTC [-] {2}

06:32:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00082464 = 17.9359 BTC [-] {2}

06:37:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.00082731 = 33.7129 BTC [+] {2}

06:44:09 moiety: !up Vexual

06:46:13 moiety: !up Vexual

06:46:17 Vexual: ohai

06:46:26 moiety: hai :]

06:47:34 Vexual: whats new?

06:51:17 Apocalyptic: so Argentina is refusing to pay some US hedge funds some settlement on their debt

06:52:33 Vexual: yeah i read that 1.5 bn

06:52:45 Vexual: can't afford it ?

06:53:09 moiety: what will happen next?

06:53:25 Vexual: they will still not afford it

06:53:43 moiety: will it just stalemate?

06:54:02 Apocalyptic: apparently they sent a couple of lawyers to NY

06:54:18 Apocalyptic: to "discuss" the matter with the judge that ordered them to pay

06:54:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2001 = 0.6003 BTC [-]

06:54:37 Apocalyptic: Vexual, apparently it's more like 15 bn in total

06:54:47 Vexual: o

06:55:47 Apocalyptic: the 2 funds in question are indeed owed 1.4, but this settlement will trigger payments to others funds too

06:55:51 Apocalyptic: from what I read

06:56:18 Apocalyptic: central bank reserves in USD are 28,5 bn

06:56:26 Apocalyptic: kind of a big chunk

06:58:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18952502 = 0.7581 BTC [-] {4}

06:59:18 Vexual: i guess they owe germany gold then?

07:01:26 Vexual: nothing a few thousand men couldn't scratch off the surface in a month

07:02:21 Apocalyptic: speaking of germany and gold

07:02:30 Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far

07:03:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 71 @ 0.02999989 = 2.13 BTC [+] {2}

07:04:07 Vexual: fucking nada

07:07:04 moiety: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27884323

07:07:04 assbot: BBC News - Hidden painting found under Picasso's The Blue Room

07:07:10 Vexual: those suits sent to ny will do well to slow proceedings

07:08:36 Vexual: no wonder that guy sells for big money

07:10:05 moiety: buy one, get one free!

07:12:09 Vexual: a proper old picasso print can be had for 1nc

07:12:20 Vexual: or real coin even

07:14:25 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.0

07:14:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container

07:14:38 fluffypony: so now everyone is rushing to verify that this is "nothing like Neo & Bee"

07:14:46 fluffypony: gotta love that group due diligence

07:15:02 fluffypony: "aving been in communication with these guys a bit I can say that they are definitely not NEO & BEE types. These guys definitely know what they are doing and they have proven that they can deliver since they have already done so. Unlike many offerings, their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven."

07:16:44 moiety: because technical ability stops you running off with peoples monies

07:16:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00082789 = 12.5839 BTC [+] {2}

07:16:58 moiety: !up Vexual

07:17:22 fluffypony: obviously

07:18:28 Vexual: hif is buy now?

07:19:21 Vexual: looks like havelocks answer to ghash

07:19:48 Vexual: and it'd be timed exactly right if not for the 3-6 month deployment time

07:21:53 fluffypony: yeah

07:27:26 Vexual: but it smells like catpiss and the cat is technique

07:30:39 Vexual: pankakke?

07:31:16 jurov: ;;bc,stats

07:31:19 gribble: Current Blocks: 306455 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1992 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12833387688.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.67364

07:32:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00082264 = 10.2419 BTC [-]

07:33:43 Vexual: the prospectus has anxpro on a cg container, are they affiliated?

07:35:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 25 @ 0.042 = 1.05 BTC

07:43:09 Vexual: plus token white dude, dollar exchange, mining, stock market

07:43:17 Vexual: ;;8ball

07:43:17 gribble: One would be wise to think so.

08:05:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21889486 = 0.8756 BTC [+] {4}

08:07:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21929955 = 1.0965 BTC [+] {4}

08:14:26 pankkake: "their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven" => same was said about kslaugther, presented as some rock star entrepreneur and engineer (when he was neither)

08:15:55 mircea_popescu: fluffypony neobee TYPES mind you.

08:16:15 mircea_popescu: these schmucks have sunk in the research and classifieds the typology nao.

08:16:27 mircea_popescu: the archetype of the neobee being, of course, that antonoderpulous guy.

08:17:48 Apocalyptic: pankkake, so was Zhou

08:19:04 fluffypony: yeah

08:19:21 fluffypony: well I had my say on the thread

08:19:56 fluffypony: and, of course, jimmothy is being retarded: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.msg7375512#msg7375512

08:19:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container

08:20:16 pankkake: his blind hate for anything MP

08:20:40 mircea_popescu: wait im involved ?

08:20:54 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I dared to mention that a WoT presence might be a good starting point

08:21:07 jurov: "it was pretty hard to not reach a positive ROI by now with most asics." this doesn't have anything to do with mp

08:21:25 mircea_popescu: lol how's wot mp related

08:21:35 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, "Additionally, don't confuse the possibility of them being fiat profitable with them being Bitcoin profitable" too many derps don't distinguish between the two and will generally eagerly settle for the former

08:21:39 mircea_popescu: also most asics actually got no +roi.

08:21:44 mircea_popescu: $bait

08:21:45 pankkake: I don't mean made by MP

08:22:01 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic that's a problem, yeah.

08:22:22 pankkake: !up Vexual

08:22:37 mircea_popescu: the stupidity of people holding bitcoin is the one thing that can hurt bitcoin (as evidenced by say the pirate debacle, or by the fact that a million fucktarded stoners managed to give the usg a gift of 20k ish btcs)

08:22:58 mircea_popescu: luckily that tends to be a self-limiting problem

08:23:12 mircea_popescu: FabianB how does it do bait ?

08:23:15 pankkake: I hope you're right

08:23:42 mircea_popescu: pankkake well, it's finite see. the only way they can do something stupid in the first place is by giving it away

08:23:48 mircea_popescu: that's the definition of self limiting

08:24:06 mircea_popescu: Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to.

08:24:48 mircea_popescu: moiety: what will happen next? <<< probably us court will try to confiscate various argentine assets in various countries, further straining its relations with the world.

08:25:31 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far << the us had more sense than to put a clause in there that the matter is to be judged according to frankfurt law.

08:26:03 mircea_popescu: "They have something better than WOT. Real names and real business experience." ahahaha help me rwanda.

08:26:25 fluffypony: I know

08:26:41 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, in the meantime i read that they are planning to get 50% back to frankfurt in a matter of seven years or so

08:26:52 Apocalyptic: so it's too soon to tell how it's going

08:26:58 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic they're also planning tobalance the budget

08:27:05 mircea_popescu: over about the same timeframe

08:27:28 mircea_popescu: or wait, was that, they're planning to actually send congress a budget at all, like required by law ?

08:30:00 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to. // yeah they could at the expense of roughly half their USD reserves

08:30:08 mircea_popescu: fluffypony " Given how reliant this company is on paying backend costs in fiat" I don't follow this part.

08:30:25 mircea_popescu: why would fiat costs pose a problem ? it's quite clear why fiat revenues are a problem for reits etc, but costs ?

08:30:37 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic right.

08:30:49 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: in other words, if they were paying staff and rent in Bitcoin they could present a business plan with amounts in Bitcoin

08:31:04 fluffypony: but they're reliant on the exchange-rate-at-the-time costs are due

08:31:33 mircea_popescu: so ?

08:32:46 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/

08:32:46 assbot: How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business

08:33:28 fluffypony: having fiat-denominated expenses is not in and of itself bad, but they're going to sink virtually the entire amount into fiat costs up-front

08:33:33 fluffypony: to pay for equipment etc. etc.

08:33:37 mircea_popescu: o well say it like that then

08:33:41 mircea_popescu: that makes sense.

08:33:56 fluffypony: -1 point for fluffyclarity

08:34:16 mircea_popescu: "by investing in this company you're buying chunks of a dollar-denominated investment, because they mostly plan to sell your bitcoin and pay off fiat costs."

08:34:27 fluffypony: yarp

08:34:39 mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, that completely disqualifies thyem from any sort of experience or competence in the field

08:34:51 mircea_popescu: quite contrary to that derps claims.

08:35:11 mircea_popescu: luckily we have years of amassed history and discussion to establish what competence/experience are, what they do and how they look like.

08:39:29 mircea_popescu: Mark Serbu told us, ?I refused to sell my rifles to the NYPD, and when I talked about it online, it blew up like crazy. Everybody liked the idea of a gun law biting the government on the ass. There are only two manufacturers of semi-automatic 50-caliber rifles in the US, and neither will sell to the NYPD. This is like, ?Screw you, New York.? People are less safe without our rifles to protect you.

08:40:43 mircea_popescu: i had no idea they used the barrett as an anti-personnel device on the streets of the asphalt jungle

08:41:09 mircea_popescu: the army mostly uses it to blow up explosives iirc

08:42:14 BingoBoingo: Also works on trucks

08:42:30 mircea_popescu: i guess it'd work on anything short of a tank

08:45:37 BingoBoingo: Pretty much anything not specifically designed to prevent it working, with exception as defined by the laws of physics (mountains, clouds, the sun...)

08:46:45 mircea_popescu: i suppose the wanna-be cool dorks love it because it's so BIG and it looks JUST LIKE IN TH MOVIES OMAYGAWD

08:46:53 mircea_popescu: god help you if you have to use the thing indoors tho

08:49:12 mircea_popescu: fluffypony btw that article is quite useful

08:49:21 mircea_popescu: but srsly, make better urls.

08:49:35 fluffypony: I have already, will go fix past articles a bit later

08:50:24 mircea_popescu: a cool.

08:50:29 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But expensive things with niche uses when less expensive more general purpose tools of quality are available is the American way!!!

08:50:34 mircea_popescu: One thing to note is that, generally speaking, a Bitcoin/altcoin mining operation is strictly profitable from a fiat perspective. Anyone who thinks they?re profitable from a BTC perspective needs to take a cold, hard look at the data for the past few years, and needs to couple the historical data with the inevitable delays when pre-ordering mining equipment. << this is quite true.

08:50:50 mircea_popescu: bitcoin mining is a perfect avenue for large players to dodge tax, whcih is why the hash is going quite so nuts.

08:50:53 fluffypony: yes

08:50:59 mircea_popescu: rack up the fiat expenses so you don't make a profit, take the bitcoin home.

08:51:20 fluffypony: but it serves no practical purpose as an investment vehicle for those already holding Bitcoin (or who are buying Bitcoin on a monthly basis with their fiat earnings)

08:51:31 mircea_popescu: on top of that there's some... maybe 1-2% by now, amateurs that get to jerkoff to the thought that they're "just as much a part of bitcoin AS ANYONE"

08:52:00 mircea_popescu: they used to be 10% earlier this year. then again they used to be 100% a coupla years ago

08:52:28 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo only recently. didn't use to be.

08:53:54 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so is atc taking over the ltc role ?

08:53:56 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: American's didn't have the too much money problem until recently though (1950's) Kids who grew up with that mindset run the show nao though... or at least imagine they do

08:54:12 mircea_popescu: sad but true

08:55:25 BingoBoingo: All of these people who grew up when the rest of the world was crippled now imagine it still is.

08:55:37 BingoBoingo: %book

08:55:38 atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 5k@150 49k@143 175k@142

08:55:59 mircea_popescu: how did the volume go again ?

08:56:09 mircea_popescu: %help

08:56:09 atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h

08:56:18 mircea_popescu: %t

08:56:19 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156

08:56:24 mircea_popescu: aha

08:56:26 mircea_popescu: %diff

08:56:29 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 430638.11 in 667 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.80

08:56:40 Apocalyptic: it's in quiet mode before the diff retarget

08:56:50 Apocalyptic: will bring the hoppers back

08:56:51 mircea_popescu: seems so yeah.

08:57:15 mircea_popescu: funny tho the lockstep way it works. 1k - 4k - 1.5k - 5k - 2k - 7k - 5k diff sort of thing

08:57:37 mircea_popescu: seems the hopper's "optimisation" is nothing but a dream in their head

08:57:49 mircea_popescu: since they'll be counting the "high" 5k as "low" six weeks later anyway

08:57:54 mircea_popescu: might as well just have mined all through.

08:58:19 Apocalyptic: well the hooper's "optimisation" is disturbed by unbalanced's plan somehow

08:58:27 mircea_popescu: course this is a fact people who aren't familiar with atc history probably easily miss.

08:58:38 Apocalyptic: dunno if he started earlier than this diff period though

08:58:44 BingoBoingo: %t

08:58:45 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156

08:58:59 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i suspect it's only disrupted by the fact that atc has the sort of backing that makes it not go anywhere. it's nailed straight to the sun as it were.

08:59:14 mircea_popescu: this bit of info'd quite change the optimisation, if they had it.

08:59:21 BingoBoingo: %book

08:59:23 atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150

08:59:27 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it may well be so

09:00:37 Apocalyptic: http://www.boursorama.com/actualites/pour-la-cour-des-comptes-il-faut-baisser-le-nombre-de-fonctionnaires-ba3764c288078d33b05b57007f1062dc

09:00:37 assbot: Pour la Cour des comptes, il faut baisser le nombre de fonctionnaires

09:00:45 Apocalyptic: french people finally wake up

09:00:59 BingoBoingo: %t

09:01:01 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 201 Last Price: 160 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156

09:01:15 mircea_popescu: hahaha

09:01:24 mircea_popescu: how many are they anyway ? 20mn ?

09:01:35 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

09:01:36 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 607.51, Best ask: 609.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.49000, Last trade: 609.0, 24 hour volume: 8473.12848309, 24 hour low: 586.84, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 604.991375459

09:01:42 Apocalyptic: i wouldn't hazard a guess, too much for sure

09:01:50 pankkake: Apocalyptic: la Cour des comptes has been saying smart things for years, and has been ignored all the way

09:01:57 Apocalyptic: yeah pankkake

09:02:18 pankkake: http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/les-intermittents-du-spectacle-occupent-la-cour-des-comptes_1499906.html

09:02:18 assbot: Les intermittents du spectacle occupent la Cour des comptes - L'Express

09:02:32 BingoBoingo: %tslb

09:02:33 atcbot: -9 minutes and 49 seconds

09:02:46 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

09:02:48 BingoBoingo: ^ mod6 negative %tslb???

09:02:56 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/237PFCH.txt )

09:02:56 BingoBoingo: !b 3

09:02:58 pankkake: (translation : highly subsidied fake artists occupy the Court of Accounts)

09:03:08 BingoBoingo: %book

09:03:09 atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150

09:04:18 BingoBoingo: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/547767/unisys_phasing_decades-old_mainframe_processor_x86_chips/

09:04:20 assbot: Unisys phasing out decades-old mainframe processor for x86 chips - Computerworld

09:05:07 pankkake: http://boingboing.net/2014/06/16/i-stopped-a-10-million-dollar.html

09:05:08 assbot: I stopped a ten million dollar robbery - Boing Boing

09:05:46 jurov: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/03/the-secret-service-wants-software-that-detects-social-media-sarcasm-yeah-sure-it-will-work/

09:05:46 assbot: The Secret Service wants software that detects social media sarcasm. Yeah, sure it will work. - The Washington Post

09:06:04 jurov: "Ability to detect sarcasm and false positives," the request reads.

09:06:59 Apocalyptic: jurov, at this point it must be trolling

09:07:49 jurov: Apocalyptic why? i wouldn't put it past them?

09:09:40 BingoBoingo: Maybe the headline is the test? Secret Service collecting references to it as data to feed the beast...

09:09:57 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you need a comment permalink, because nao i can't say thestringpuller;'s got a prettry interesting comment up there at http://devilsadvocate.biz/crabs-in-the-bucket/?replytocom=75#respond

09:09:59 assbot: Crabs in the Bucket

09:10:46 mircea_popescu: i could use some *people* that reliably detect my sarcasm

09:11:09 BingoBoingo: It's a hard problem in text

09:11:23 mircea_popescu: it's a hard problem irl, too.

09:12:15 mircea_popescu: ajhahaha that robbery link above :

09:12:16 mircea_popescu: Bill said, ?We?ll lend $10 million IF we get the full $25 million on any default.? Here were the other terms Bill said.

09:12:16 mircea_popescu: - 15% interest, paid quarterly

09:12:16 mircea_popescu: - the full loan is due back in two years

09:12:16 mircea_popescu: - $600,000 fee paid to Bill up front.

09:12:17 mircea_popescu: - Bill wanted 25% of all the upside on the full $25 million in shares for the next ten years.

09:12:34 mircea_popescu: now THATs robbery.

09:14:35 BingoBoingo: How was the borrower agreeing to that not a red flag that they were a fake

09:14:56 mircea_popescu: it kinda is.

09:15:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, the post sounds legit. it's pretty much how something like that'd go.

09:16:02 BingoBoingo: Kinda the Roger Ver story, except he still praises and pays the loons that fleece him

09:16:18 mircea_popescu: ?I have an idea,? I said, ?I know the guy who wrote that letter. I?ll write to him and ask him if he wrote that letter. This way he independently verifies.? << the wot.

09:16:33 mircea_popescu: quote that to forum derp. this is exactly what we fucking do here, day in, day out.

09:17:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2014#708635

09:17:04 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

09:17:06 pankkake: !up Vexual

09:17:15 pankkake: Vexual: why still not on the wot?

09:17:16 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Also get rid of that discus shit

09:17:20 pankkake: not that you could be easily faked

09:17:33 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I hate all the other jekyll comment plugins

09:18:03 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Just have a send all comments to X@Y.Z email address

09:18:24 fluffypony: too much like hard work

09:18:26 fluffypony: :-P

09:18:37 fluffypony: I'll see if there's something new out for jekyll that is non-JS-ish

09:18:48 BingoBoingo: Or... Just use Wordpress comments

09:18:57 fluffypony: I will never install Wordpress again. EVER.

09:19:09 BingoBoingo: Not the whole thing, just the comment form

09:19:13 pankkake: I've seen some automated systems to do it, finally. proper comments was the only thing I would miss with a static blog

09:19:30 pankkake: I haven't tried those yet though

09:19:35 fluffypony: there's this: https://github.com/mpalmer/jekyll-static-comments

09:19:36 assbot: mpalmer/jekyll-static-comments GitHub

09:19:40 fluffypony: not wild about it, tho

09:20:14 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:fraudsters.com the hottest idea in bitcoin

09:20:15 gribble: Probably the hottest business idea of the moment in BTC… pe ...: http://fraudsters.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/; Bitcoin pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/bitcoin/; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe fraudsters - Un ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/

09:20:17 fluffypony: oh this is something I never noticed: https://blog.caurea.org/2012/03/31/this-blog-has-comments-again.html

09:20:17 assbot: caurea.org

09:20:25 fluffypony: it does an email address per post

09:20:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2199997 = 1.1 BTC [+]

09:20:58 fluffypony: will take a looksie again when I have time

09:21:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2014#719018 to go with above link

09:21:12 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

09:21:24 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> fluffypony: Also get rid of that discus shit << srsly.

09:22:15 BingoBoingo: The reason to use wordpress is that it's the standard. Doing it right is hard, but all of the usefull standards are.

09:22:39 mircea_popescu: he's prolly tried wp past 1.x and got burned by how shitty it is

09:23:14 BingoBoingo: 2.X for some values of X isn't bad. Same with 3.X with caveat, that for some values of X.

09:23:15 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md2bx746Pd1r2b8jbo1_400.jpg << trap house!

09:23:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ya i meat 2 not 1 my bad

09:23:57 fluffypony: ;;ping

09:23:58 gribble: pong

09:24:07 fluffypony: so I asked Jimmy Boy: "I'll turn that around and ask you to list 3 mining operations that were Bitcoin profitable. To simplify, you can just list the asset, what the IPO share price was, and what BTC dividends to date would have been for 1 BTC invested."

09:24:16 fluffypony: to which he responds: "Petamine, asicminer, 100th mine, and most people who bought bfl hardware, AM hardware, knc hardware, bitmain hardware, a1 clones, avalon hardware, bitfury hardware."

09:24:34 fluffypony: apparently buying hardware == investing in an asset.

09:24:54 mircea_popescu: fluffypony he went to the us school of diversive argumentation.

09:25:20 fluffypony: and apparently "The whole internet is a web of trust."

09:25:24 fluffypony: he didn't read my comments AT ALL

09:25:27 mircea_popescu: serious politician : "name one policy your demagogy implemented that served the public"

09:25:29 fluffypony: stupid fucktard.

09:25:43 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Maybe ask why hes till isn't Bitrich

09:25:47 pankkake: 100th mine was profitable?

09:25:52 mircea_popescu: twerp : "guncontrolobamacareglobalwarmingsmokingbanclimatechangederpyherpyderpderpherp"

09:26:07 mircea_popescu: costs him about 100x less to run the mouth than it costs you, and so... he's using it.

09:26:33 mircea_popescu: this is why, incidentally, giving people a voice is such a bad idea.

09:26:59 mircea_popescu: the only thing it yields is a vicious circle of ever decreasing marginal investment in speech

09:27:19 pankkake: also people who bought bfl profited?!

09:27:29 mircea_popescu: what a healthy society needs are lemon laws for speech.

09:28:08 fluffypony: lemon laws!

09:28:37 xmj: mircea_popescu: lemon laws?

09:28:51 xmj: as in, The Market For Lemons ?

09:31:04 mircea_popescu: problem with trying to implement that however is that it's too fucking sweet for whoever's in charge to hijack it into oppression of dissent

09:31:36 mircea_popescu: so basically society only works for as long as society enforces some sort of equivalent by itself. which is also why there can never be a society of "laws not men".

09:31:42 mircea_popescu: men are needed to keep language meaningful.

09:33:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7724 @ 0.00008136 = 0.6284 BTC [-] {6}

09:33:35 BingoBoingo: Sorta like the dilema by which Bitcoin is great for a well lawed and ordered society yet incredibly hostile to regulation

09:33:59 mircea_popescu: well you can't cutthe knife

09:34:49 BingoBoingo: Plenty of tools cut knives.

09:35:50 mircea_popescu: sure. but nothing cuts itself. evntually you get to a prime mover.

09:35:59 mircea_popescu: bitcoin can't be regulated because it regulates you.

09:36:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00082119 = 7.7192 BTC [-]

09:37:53 BingoBoingo: Cake cutting for the lonely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBU9N35ZHIw

09:37:53 assbot: The Scientific Way to Cut a Cake - YouTube

09:39:51 mircea_popescu: incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ?

09:40:07 mircea_popescu: or so common & obvious it really doesn't need a word for itself

09:40:41 fluffypony: a pie chart is called a camembert chart in French?

09:40:44 fluffypony: awesome

09:40:47 mircea_popescu: hehehe

09:40:49 BingoBoingo: The latter it seems from my limited knowledge

09:41:17 pankkake: fluffypony: fun thing, it's called just "un camembert", not even "graphe en camembert"

09:41:49 mircea_popescu: imo this should be backported to english

09:42:01 fluffypony: agreed

09:42:11 mircea_popescu: "his camemberts looked like blocks of fucking swiss"

09:42:47 fluffypony: hah hah

09:43:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder how they manage to shoot videos tbh. if i were living the limited lifespan of a rappar, i couldn't give less of a shit as to what tv convntions are.

09:43:33 mircea_popescu: all my videos feature shots of the nekkid ladies

09:43:53 mircea_popescu: must seem so fucken plastic & fake. "whyz dese bitches dresst anyway?!?!"

09:44:46 pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snoop_Dogg%27s_Doggystyle

09:44:47 assbot: Snoop Dogg's Doggystyle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

09:44:51 FabianB: <+mircea_popescu> FabianB how does it do bait ? <-- not exactly, i mean this:

09:44:57 FabianB: $depth mpoe

09:44:57 empyex: FabianB: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=91 Or use a valid MPSIC!

09:44:57 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

09:45:12 mircea_popescu: aok

09:46:02 mircea_popescu: but pankkake ... why'z dem bitchez dresst ?!

09:46:15 mircea_popescu: also wtf shitty chopjob

09:49:21 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

09:50:36 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

09:50:38 gribble: Current Blocks: 306472 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1975 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13957917818.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.67937

09:53:38 BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/901/fifa-world-cup-2014-goal-in-under-10/#c3100

09:53:38 assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.19 B (57%) on Yes, 0.14 B (43%) on No | closed 13 hours 27 minutes ago

09:56:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it god paid out already neh ?

09:56:40 BingoBoingo: Yeah, amazing how sometimes events make the errors irrelevant.

09:56:40 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

09:57:58 mircea_popescu: :p

09:58:47 BingoBoingo: I was kinda hoping Ghana would have won that one

10:01:16 BingoBoingo: American Cities are now more valuable as set pieces than as functioning locations http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/06/transformers_premake_documentary_age_of_extinction_inspires_guerrilla_video.html

10:01:16 assbot: Transformers Premake documentary: Age of Extinction inspires guerrilla video essay (VIDEO).

10:01:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.21999999 = 2.64 BTC [+] {3}

10:03:23 BingoBoingo: Detroit and Chicago are cheaper stand ins for China than... China

10:03:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 64 @ 0.23955234 = 15.3313 BTC [+] {6}

10:03:44 mircea_popescu: hahaha

10:04:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.245 = 2.45 BTC [+] {2}

10:06:36 BingoBoingo: Jimmothy http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/06/1207-am.html

10:06:36 assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: 12:07 a.m.

10:07:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.24384615 = 6.34 BTC [-] {2}

10:07:55 mircea_popescu: ahahaha epic

10:09:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00082825 = 10.5188 BTC [+] {2}

10:12:23 mircea_popescu: "I was shaking. We had spoken to Evil on the phone." ahaha dude how fucking overdramatic can altucher get.

10:13:00 mircea_popescu: a fraudster stands to evil in the relationship an army major stands to the government.

10:14:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.22000065 = 2.2 BTC [-] {3}

10:16:04 BingoBoingo: I dunno if even a Madoff level fraudster makes it as an officer candidate in the Evil Army

10:17:04 mircea_popescu: well what is evil army ?

10:17:34 mircea_popescu: evil is traditionally used as the catchall for anything anyone perceives as contrarian or enmitous and isn't readily reducible.

10:18:40 BingoBoingo: Well, in the heirarchy I imagine Pol Pot makes Colnel... barely

10:18:45 mircea_popescu: davout http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/16/the-security-fail-blockchain-wont-tell-you-about/ << good points, but the blockchain wallet usecase isn't storying a lot of btc.

10:18:45 assbot: The security fail blockchain won’t tell you about | fr.anco.is

10:19:24 mircea_popescu: actually pretty much the only usecase i'm aware of is when you want to do basically the equivalent of issuing yourself a limited preloaded card.

10:20:00 mircea_popescu: i never use the cards associated with my various business accounts, ever. but if they came with a diy kit where i could create my own subcards, preload them and discard them... maybe, just maybe.

10:20:27 fluffypony: I've been wanting the same

10:20:33 mircea_popescu: irk ?

10:20:43 fluffypony: even if it's only creating virtual cards initially

10:20:47 fluffypony: load amounts in

10:20:50 BingoBoingo: Yeah, a decent low fee prepaid card is basically a money condom

10:20:52 fluffypony: and use them online for a month or two

10:20:55 mircea_popescu: no fucking way am i sharing an account that may well have fiddy million in it with some random guy with a pony tail in whatever restaurant

10:20:56 fluffypony: and then abandon them

10:21:12 mircea_popescu: no matter how ridiculous counting fiddy hundred dollar bills may look to the sort of people i don't fuck anyway

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10:21:25 BingoBoingo: !b 1

10:21:54 mircea_popescu: people do stupid sht like that all the time, too.

10:22:30 mircea_popescu: ever want to get a kickass car ? it's simple : buy a red jacket and a cap, sit by the entrance to an expensive restaurant

10:22:38 mircea_popescu: you'll get a free ferrari in five minutes flat.

10:22:47 fluffypony: lol

10:22:53 mircea_popescu: guy just hands you the key and walks off.

10:23:08 mircea_popescu: "o, he thought you were the vallet". well that's fine, you thought he was santa.

10:24:10 mircea_popescu: as joelkatz would say, "common misunderstanding"

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10:25:40 BingoBoingo: !b 6

10:29:05 mircea_popescu: Yiannis Chrysanthou, a security researcher who recently completed his MSc thesis on modern password cracking, was able to crack the password "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn1."

10:29:09 mircea_popescu: fuck me that sounds scary

10:29:24 mircea_popescu: up until you realise some total dork took a line off lovercraft, as-is.

10:31:06 jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail exactly as i wrote

10:31:06 assbot: Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions

10:31:35 mircea_popescu: ayup

10:31:38 mircea_popescu: !up ansc

10:31:44 mircea_popescu: ;;google romanian dicelist

10:31:45 gribble: Romanian Dicelist pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/romanian-dicelist; Climax pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/climax; On Making High-Entropy Paper Wallets | When Bitcoin Met Pete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/14/on-making-high-entropy-bitcoin-paper-wallets/

10:31:58 mircea_popescu: i really recommend that thing. fucking special characters rock for the purpose.

10:33:52 jurov: !up Vexual

10:34:08 Vexual: hehe

10:34:45 jurov: !down Vexual

10:34:48 jurov: hehe

10:35:34 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

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10:35:48 mircea_popescu: !b 7

10:36:25 BingoBoingo: Bash hasn't updated in a while... is it on Mats_cd03's no poop pills?

10:37:07 mircea_popescu: lol

10:37:11 mircea_popescu: wasn't jurov modded ?

10:37:12 mircea_popescu: lazyboi!

10:37:47 jurov: !down mircea_popescu

10:38:19 mircea_popescu: you tryin' to go down on me ?

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10:38:36 BingoBoingo: !b 2

10:39:18 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=579498.msg6386721#msg6386721 << pretty epic shit.

10:39:18 assbot: [ANN] Altcoin Casinos | Invest | | Bitcointa.lk

10:39:22 mircea_popescu: why's that guy not in here ?

10:39:26 mircea_popescu: someone invite him

10:40:59 mircea_popescu: "Due to the fake account troll below this post has been moved." ahahaha

10:41:57 mircea_popescu: ;;rated fluffypony

10:41:58 gribble: You rated user fluffypony on Mon May 26 08:18:51 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: I don't know him but his wife sends me selfies..

10:42:31 mircea_popescu: ;;rate fluffypony 2 Businessman that now owes me a steak.

10:42:35 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user fluffypony has changed from 1 to 2.

10:43:07 fluffypony: lol

10:44:55 ansc: mp: what are your thoughts on icbit.se ?

10:45:13 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters icbit.se

10:45:14 gribble: Icbit.se, the bucket shop pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/; Security Comparison of Bitcoin-Denominated Instruments ... - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/2012/security-comparison-of-bitcoin-denominated-instruments-exchanges/; Bitcoin pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/bitcoin/

10:45:40 mircea_popescu: that's a year or two old by now. perhaps things changed. not sure why they would have.

10:46:52 mircea_popescu: ahahaah that thread just gives and gives and gives.

10:47:21 mircea_popescu: should be fucking framed. " Are you finished? Your wrong.", trhen guy goes back and edits it once it's pointed out

10:48:32 ansc: interesting piece. from that perspective, nothing has changed. no need to update. thank you for the link.

10:49:16 mircea_popescu: the boon #bitcoin-assets bestows upon they who come seeking wisdom is great indeed.

10:49:36 ansc: haha right. i must say i do agree.

10:49:47 mircea_popescu: fluffypony what's the xxxprofit story ?

10:51:51 BingoBoingo: %book

10:51:53 atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150

10:51:59 fluffypony: the dude seems like a reasonable guy, he's very open about that and the appliance thing being fiat businesses, but I think he's struggling to find anyone around him willing to invest because, hey, porn site

10:52:03 BingoBoingo: %ticker

10:52:04 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 201 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 157

10:52:19 Vexual: link?

10:52:20 fluffypony: I told him to get on here and get in the WoT as it'll help with future ventures

10:52:26 punkman: https://icbit.se/node/69 always in beta (TM)

10:52:27 assbot: Price Calculation Fix | ICBIT - Bitcoin Exchange and Futures Market

10:52:30 mircea_popescu: what, i love pron sites. heck, im STILL trying to get in touch with that pleasantly uninhibited chick from reddit.

10:52:33 mircea_popescu: whatver her namne was

10:52:47 mircea_popescu: ;;notes

10:52:48 gribble: I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, buanzo, EricNakamoto, fbastage, frankenmint, Immukization, MurphyLawn, newyorkadam, nubbins, nubbins`i, organofcorti, Phinnaeus, plezoh, ryepdx, sic_nic, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, unbalanced, and weenfan.

10:53:03 Vexual: lol lowecase me is gone

10:53:06 mircea_popescu: anarkitty. hey, this creates a new usecase for gribble. leave a note for osmeone, remember their name.

10:59:30 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=639298.0

10:59:30 assbot: Full Dox: BTC-ARBS.COM (and their undeniable links to HYIPs) | Bitcointa.lk

11:02:24 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for what it's worth the dilemma is irreducible.

11:02:43 BingoBoingo: !up ansc

11:02:47 mircea_popescu: on one hand, the slipped up theory is convincing. on the other hand, the sort of scammer/internet fraudster depicted often tries to run a hosting business on the side

11:03:00 mircea_popescu: so it may be a clueless noob that got a GREAT webhosting offer

11:03:03 ansc: anyone seen this latest idiocy: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/290ed010-f567-11e3-91a8-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz34snzDqLe

11:03:03 assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error

11:03:35 ansc: ok anyway, it's about the fed imposing exit fees on bond funds.

11:03:43 mircea_popescu: not surprising.

11:03:50 mircea_popescu: actually... i think it was predicted here months ago :p

11:03:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is indeed astounding how the bad habits of both groups align this way

11:05:21 BingoBoingo: A and B are indistiguishable at x,y because they do the same thing at that point.

11:05:49 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

11:07:41 BingoBoingo: I wonder if herbi will ever try his hand at ATC again

11:08:03 Vexual: didn't you take all his moneys?

11:08:42 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Sure, at the time, but noa his is busy with OMG acquisitions!!! in his most recent messages.

11:09:25 Mats_cd03: lol you're a douche

11:09:50 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Douches are good, they are a force for cleansing

11:14:29 punkman: this curses stuff is enough to make me curse, but it's getting there: http://i.imgur.com/Jj0xIdi.png

11:14:56 fluffypony: punkman: looks great

11:15:06 Vexual: neato

11:15:54 BingoBoingo: Nice punkman

11:16:21 ansc: interesting that the odds are so much in favor of btc with brk/a trading @189k

11:17:09 punkman: now it tells me when I've already bet on a proposition and calculates the total along with hypothetical bets. Handy for topping up a bet

11:17:21 BingoBoingo: Nice

11:18:30 ansc: so one could calculate the implicit interest rate of btc based on these probabilities

11:18:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8142 @ 0.00082492 = 6.7165 BTC [-]

11:21:04 BingoBoingo: ansc: Well, I think the tool being tried for the effort at large now is f.mpif

11:21:20 BingoBoingo: !mpif

11:21:22 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021664 BTC (Total: 433.28 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]

11:21:24 BingoBoingo: !jd mpif

11:21:24 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.02517117 BTC; +0.16054045 BTC (+0.0940%) since last check 11h 38m 47s ago.

11:21:34 Naphex: BingoBoingo: we're going live with EUR/USD next week. will you be sticking to ron or going for EUR/USD?;p

11:21:35 punkman: did klye re-ipo?

11:21:52 BingoBoingo: punkman: We can all hope so

11:24:13 BingoBoingo: Naphex: It depends on how the book looks. I'll prolly announce the June or July statement if I've moved into that pairing or not, pending consultation with the general manager. I'll watch at for least weeks, emphasis plural, before making a decision.

11:25:18 BingoBoingo: Naphex: In BTC/Fiat I am exceedingly cautions

11:25:41 BingoBoingo: I inhere the properties of cautions

11:25:48 Naphex: probably best:p

11:28:42 BingoBoingo: Naphex: I'm trading by hand so any moves into fiat occur only when I'm awake and ready to put in a lower bid very soon after fulfillment. << As this in in the chan it is an official disclosure. Nao.. Good luck figuring out my sleep wake cycle... if there is a discernable one.

11:29:38 Naphex: i don't trade at all

11:30:34 BingoBoingo: I as mentioned before really didn't start until I beat herbi. Before I occasionally bet substituting exchanges for bookies.

11:31:36 Naphex: how are you likeing it doing it as a full time job?

11:31:41 Naphex: or not full time

11:34:53 BingoBoingo: I do this pretty much as I mention in the statements. It's a thing... I do it. I'll offer a range of more than most actual work the lowest performing civil servants do, but still less than nubbins` when he is in extreme focused art mode. (I estimate that to be between 0 and all of the hours in a week)

11:35:42 thestringpuller: what hppened to pity the pool?

11:36:04 BingoBoingo: ?

11:36:09 thestringpuller: its down for me

11:36:14 thestringpuller: !up Vexual

11:36:15 BingoBoingo: %diff

11:36:17 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 430092.04 in 660 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.88

11:36:20 BingoBoingo: Really?

11:36:24 thestringpuller: yea

11:36:28 BingoBoingo: %tslb

11:36:28 atcbot: 21 minutes and 6 seconds

11:36:29 thestringpuller: can you reach atc.pitythepool.com

11:37:09 BingoBoingo: I wouldn't know how. My fumbling attemps at mining never met going to a pool

11:38:27 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/06/17/sen_claire_mccaskill_dissects_dr_oz_for_weight_loss_scams.html

11:38:27 assbot: Sen. Claire McCaskill dissects Dr. Oz for weight loss scams.

11:44:04 BingoBoingo: http://www.collegehumor.com/post/6973365/i-cant-believe-they-made-trophies-for-these-things

11:44:05 assbot: I Can't Believe They Made Trophies For These Things - CollegeHumor Post

11:45:52 BingoBoingo: I think one of the most important moments of my development was when as a child I learned the trophie store is an actual place

11:47:59 cazalla: that's a memory i have too.. i use to play soccer, cherished the ribbons and trophies, figured out you could buy yourself the biggest and engrave anything for doing nothing killed the motivation to play

11:49:52 Naphex: cazalla: the trick to being pro is getting paid to play :)

11:49:54 Naphex: not trophies

11:50:03 Naphex: you can scam trophies on everything :P

11:50:15 cazalla: i actually played with a pro, he got dumped from the aussie team this world cup though

11:50:33 cazalla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Wilkshire

11:50:33 assbot: Luke Wilkshire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

11:50:43 cazalla: he bought me a he-man for my 7th birthday party

11:52:40 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I took away that anyone can have anything engraved and realized you can conceal success.

11:52:43 Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://stirileprotv.ro/stiri/social/lov-moneda-virtuala-a-tiganilor-pe-care-nu-stiu-s-o-foloseasca-ce-stiu-romii-din-stefanesti-despre-banul-de-pe-internet.html

11:52:44 assbot: "Ce sa facem noi cu loveaua?". Moneda tiganeasca de pe internet pe care supusii lui Cioaba nici nu stiu sa o foloseasca

11:52:48 Naphex: a must see :))

11:53:22 Naphex: Romanian Gypsy king releases gypsy coin

11:53:25 Naphex: called LOV

11:53:26 Naphex: :))

11:53:32 Naphex: cryptocurrency :)

12:04:42 fluffypony: lol really?

12:04:44 fluffypony: that's hilarious

12:04:58 Naphex: Gypsy King said next month he has meeting with US VP

12:05:03 Naphex: and his gonna mention LOVECoin

12:05:14 Naphex: they want it recognized like baitcoin

12:05:23 Naphex: true story

12:06:57 Naphex: watch the video:P

12:08:00 BingoBoingo: too late http://www.cryptodefense.org/#!mission/cerb

12:08:00 assbot: The Cryptocurrency Defense Foundation

12:11:50 BingoBoingo: The abject poverty of too much money http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/06/18/nasa_funding_new_senate_bill_will_keep_us_relying_on_russians_for_rides.html

12:11:50 assbot: NASA funding: New Senate bill will keep us relying on Russians for rides to space.

12:12:25 pankkake: "us"

12:18:49 Naphex: http://www.cryptodefense.org/#!mission/cerb

12:19:16 Naphex: sry bad key :o

12:21:12 punkman: lolpatents

12:22:11 punkman: 'Amazon patents 1-click blockchain transaction'

12:38:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9061 @ 0.0008265 = 7.4889 BTC [+]

12:46:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0687777 = 1.7194 BTC [-]

13:07:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.069 = 1.794 BTC [+]

13:17:09 mircea_popescu: Naphex ahahaha

13:19:10 mircea_popescu: nice punkman

13:21:24 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> what hppened to pity the pool? << ddos wars raging

13:25:19 mircea_popescu: peterl has an excellent point here http://fraudsters.com/2014/introducing-the-d-series/#comment-101367

13:25:20 assbot: Introducing the D. series pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:25:26 mircea_popescu: all sorts of arbitrages suddenly open

13:33:38 ThickAsThieves: [04:54] <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves so is atc taking over the ltc role ? /// well it *should* take over the role of all other coins of no distinction

13:39:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0008265 = 6.0335 BTC [+]

13:47:18 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you need a comment permalink ///hrm, i'm not sure how to enable such ... ?

13:50:22 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ? /// gold digger, groupie, slut -- i'm not sure proper word exists, not that this is even a common thing

13:58:09 ThickAsThieves: <gribble> Sent 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, and 38 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Altcoin is holding me back. /// hehe, how can i help?

14:08:31 chetty: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/us-patent-office-cancels-redskins-trademark-registration-says-name-is-disparaging/2014/06/18/e7737bb8-f6ee-11e3-8aa9-dad2ec039789_story.html

14:08:31 assbot: U.S. Patent office cancels Redskins trademark registration, says name is disparaging - The Washington Post

14:12:14 bitcoinpete: chetty speaking of bad words: he/she

14:12:16 bitcoinpete: http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/17/vancouver-school-boards-genderless-pronouns-not-likely-to-stick-if-history-is-any-indication/?__federated=1

14:12:18 assbot: Vancouver School Board’s genderless pronouns xe, xem, xyr not likely to stick, if history is any indication | National Post

14:15:17 nubbins`: "a woman in her 20s that spends her life"

14:15:46 thestringpuller: nubbins`: do you have a tracking number for the shirt btw?

14:16:52 nubbins`: chetty: cue the "counterfeit" redskins jerseys / memorabilia

14:17:23 nubbins`: thestringpuller: sorry, was waiting a couple days to see if more orders came in. shirt's getting printed today. tracking is too costly, most people opt out

14:17:41 nubbins`: you can add it if you like tho, i think it's around an extra $10

14:18:12 thestringpuller: ah

14:18:33 thestringpuller: we can discuss, i like tracking

14:20:16 nubbins`: $20 shipping for $15 shirt :D

14:21:45 nubbins`: oh and hey, did you say you wanted the #b-a / freenode text on the back?

14:23:37 chetty: re:redskins decision// que the counterfeit everything, trademarks just became a joke

14:24:12 nubbins`: ;;calc just became XD

14:24:12 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

14:24:15 nubbins`: i mean, uh

14:24:19 nubbins`: just became XD

14:29:46 mike_c: who is 'rethink-your-strategy'? that is some skilled trolling.

14:29:57 mike_c: pankkake?

14:30:55 pankkake: no

14:31:45 nubbins`: http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/17/vancouver-school-boards-genderless-pronouns-not-likely-to-stick-if-history-is-any-indication/?__federated=1

14:31:47 assbot: Vancouver School Board’s genderless pronouns xe, xem, xyr not likely to stick, if history is any indication | National Post

14:32:04 pankkake: "We are approve of this message." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.msg7378988#msg7378988

14:32:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container

14:33:46 pankkake: nubbins`: French would drive them mad

14:35:46 nubbins`: ils seraient rendus fous XD

14:37:06 nubbins`: "they" generally works but would sound odd in a group setting

14:37:47 bitcoinpete: nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723409

14:37:48 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:38:05 nubbins`: ah haha i'm a dickhead

14:38:15 pankkake: the worst is job names. some can be gendered, some not, and even the French don't know what to do of them

14:38:22 nubbins`: chanteuse!

14:38:25 bitcoinpete: lol just 25 minutes late to the party

14:38:33 bitcoinpete: i suppose you want the cake now too?

14:38:50 nubbins`: D;

14:41:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 144 @ 0.06580291 = 9.4756 BTC [-] {13}

14:41:35 bitcoinpete: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-roadshow-swag-special-car-giveaway-in-trek-america/ << these guys are from our local meet-up

14:41:36 assbot: North America's Bitcoin Roadshow Offers Free Car as Grand Prize

14:43:37 bitcoinpete: they're basically driving a kia across north america to "raise awareness"

14:43:55 bitcoinpete: then giving away the car or $10k worth of bitcoins

14:44:06 bitcoinpete: as fucking if someone takes the beat-up car instead of the coins

14:45:21 bitcoinpete: maybe mpex or bitbet should slap their logo on the side of this thing

14:45:52 bitcoinpete: i'm sure spots are for sale for an outrageous amount of money ;)

14:46:01 mike_c: ThickAsThieves: what do you think about creating seeds.therealaltcoin.org with node seeds.

14:47:49 mike_c: it's like this, you just add a bunch of A records: http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=a%3abitseed.xf2.org&run=toolpage

14:47:50 assbot: Network Tools: DNS,IP,Email

14:47:58 pankkake: the seeds I configured in the client are probably not working anymore

14:48:34 mike_c: they don't appear to be returning anything

14:49:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00082933 = 15.0109 BTC [+] {2}

14:49:19 fluffypony: mike_c: dnsseeds don't work that way

14:49:26 fluffypony: they're dynamic with a low TTL

14:49:34 mike_c: don't work what way?

14:49:39 fluffypony: not hard-coded

14:49:52 pankkake: not necessarily

14:49:54 fluffypony: it's a round-robin list that's dynamically refreshed on an ongoing basis

14:50:04 mike_c: well that sounds like a nice enhancement eventually

14:50:05 pankkake: I've done all my altcoins with simple A records I updated myself

14:50:20 pankkake: but yes that requires knowning about the nodes

14:50:24 mike_c: but right now we are at ground zero with seeding.

14:50:28 fluffypony: here's the source

14:50:28 fluffypony: https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder

14:50:29 assbot: sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub

14:50:47 fluffypony: not exactly rocket-science stuff

14:50:50 fluffypony: and easy to adapt

14:51:27 mike_c: so.. you're saying you'll run it ;)

14:51:36 mike_c: seeds.fluffypony.org

14:51:39 fluffypony: lol

14:51:51 fluffypony: if someone gets the source code working I'll gladly throw it on a box

14:52:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.065 = 1.105 BTC [-]

14:53:19 mike_c: core dev? any spare time to port to altcoin-seeder?

14:54:04 thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats

14:54:14 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

14:54:16 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 607.11, Best ask: 608.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.84000, Last trade: 608.95, 24 hour volume: 8276.71700325, 24 hour low: 592.7, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.271648243

14:54:16 gribble: Current Blocks: 306507 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1940 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

14:57:24 Mats_cd03: lol

15:13:10 punkman: that was a good pedicure, now I need a haircut

15:14:39 punkman: damn barber retired, gotta find a new one

15:14:39 chetty: http://www.infowars.com/supreme-court-agrees-to-rule-on-limiting-first-amendment/

15:14:40 assbot: » Supreme Court Agrees to Rule On Limiting First Amendment Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

15:20:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 206 @ 0.0289003 = 5.9535 BTC [-]

15:21:40 mircea_popescu: punkman i hate it when that happens

15:24:32 nubbins`: i've been cutting my own hair for about 7 years now

15:24:59 nubbins`: sometimes it turns out terrible :D

15:30:21 Naphex: nubbins`: why would somebody cut their own hair?

15:30:42 nubbins`: what an odd question

15:31:03 nubbins`: why would anyone do anything for themselves?

15:31:28 punkman: it's one of those things you can't do very well on your own

15:31:28 Naphex: yes but why not just pay someone to do it

15:31:40 Naphex: you don't have to pay attention and maybe you get a sweet skull massage :)

15:32:30 punkman: Naphex, I cut them myself last couple of times, with a little help from the girl, since the barber is not around

15:33:29 punkman: my biggest problem is the shitty shampoo everyone has

15:33:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` sucks his own cock, eats his own cooking, he's a solipsist.

15:33:35 punkman: and they use too much of it too

15:34:06 Naphex: :))

15:36:30 asciilifeform: i know plenty of people who cut their own hair.

15:36:38 asciilifeform: usually with electric razor.

15:36:56 Naphex: anything with electric razor or bald doesn't count:P

15:41:22 mircea_popescu: Naphex wears a pompadour.

15:41:29 mircea_popescu: I SEEN IT

15:43:45 chetty: we are on to hair cuts? what happened to the fingernail polish, ladies?

15:43:58 nubbins`: if i could suck my own cock i wouldn't be wasting my time on irc

15:44:07 fluffypony: nubbins`: you'd be on TV?

15:44:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.0289004 = 0.6358 BTC [+]

15:44:12 nubbins`: heh

15:44:20 nubbins`: mp, i think that's not the first time you've called me that

15:44:36 mircea_popescu: what rly ?

15:44:54 nubbins`: maybe. not that surprising i guess

15:44:59 mircea_popescu: chetty http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Charles_Dana_Gibson00.jpg

15:45:19 nubbins`: Naphex: i don't pay someone else to cut my hair for the same reason i don't pay someone else to cook my food

15:45:31 mircea_popescu: what, never ?

15:45:43 nubbins`: nah, just generally

15:46:43 nubbins`: me going to a barber for a haircut would make as much sense as going to a restaurant for a bowl of cereal

15:48:02 mircea_popescu: very small head ?

15:49:16 nubbins`: bike helmet says XXL

15:52:53 thestringpuller: ;;ident

15:52:53 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

15:53:46 chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-18/putin-advisor-proposes-anti-dollar-alliance-halt-us-foreign-aggression

15:53:47 assbot: Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad | Zero Hedge

15:54:14 mircea_popescu: http://www.listafirme.ro/polimedia-srl-22530016/

15:54:24 mircea_popescu: check out graph. to teh moonz!

15:55:40 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

15:55:44 gribble: Current Blocks: 306518 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1929 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15413140721.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.48876

15:55:56 mircea_popescu: nuts.

15:57:41 Naphex: 18:24 <+nubbins`> i've been cutting my own hair for about 7 years now

15:57:41 Naphex: 18:24 -!- mjr_1 [~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186] has joined #bitcoin-assets

15:57:41 Naphex: 18:24 <+nubbins`> sometimes it turns out terrible :D

15:57:58 *: nubbins` nods

15:58:19 nubbins`: and then i can't even fix it because i throw out all my scissors and clippers when i'm done :(

15:58:41 nubbins`: unlike a barber shop, where you can come in the next day for a free tune-up if you don't like what they've done

16:00:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 27.09655160 BTC to 9`095 shares, 297928 satoshi per share

16:02:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.02033915 = 0.6102 BTC [-] {7}

16:02:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69867315 BTC to 9`095 shares, 18677 satoshi per share

16:03:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 457 @ 0.01949056 = 8.9072 BTC [-] {13}

16:07:13 mircea_popescu: ;;seen korbman

16:07:13 gribble: korbman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Korbman> or else I wouldn't be on here haha :P

16:09:03 Mats_cd03: chetty: nails in da coffin

16:09:14 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/dattank-mining-any-chip-any-hardware-any-currency.330080/page-4#post-7067314 << is this guy actually using the dot to represent scalars (ie, as opposed to vectors) or wtf notation is that

16:09:14 assbot: DatTank Mining: any chip, any hardware, any currency | Page 4 | Bitcointa.lk

16:09:51 mircea_popescu: first derivative ?

16:11:09 fluffypony: still a better post than Jimmothy's comment on GPG

16:11:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06329633 = 2.5319 BTC [-] {4}

16:12:02 mircea_popescu: no argument but im fucking curious, it makes no sense

16:15:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with 30k usd profit, it is not too adventurous a guess that polimedia does not house mpex ?

16:16:00 mircea_popescu: course not

16:18:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6664 @ 0.00082981 = 5.5299 BTC [+] {2}

16:23:37 punkman: Fun fact: out of 10310 bitbets, only 313 have lost money betting on the winning side, and only 100 of those had a weight of 10k

16:23:53 punkman: *more than 10k

16:28:14 mircea_popescu: and total value lost ?

16:28:20 punkman: 1.55 BTC

16:28:46 mircea_popescu: heh. out of 10k.

16:28:53 punkman: pretty good

16:29:00 mircea_popescu: whoa uspo cancelled redskins trademark ?!

16:29:01 mircea_popescu: bwahgah

16:36:08 mircea_popescu: o look, south africa actually uses the ancient dce concept. nao i don't need to fumble trying to explain to people what domicile means anymoar! just reference south african law!

16:36:12 mircea_popescu: thank you internets

16:36:13 punkman: another tidbit: 52.3 % of bets picked the winning side, with total gain of 2644 BTC

16:36:26 mircea_popescu: total net gain ?

16:36:30 punkman: yes

16:36:40 mircea_popescu: interesting.

16:37:04 punkman: total amount in 9393 BTC, gain 2633 BTC

16:37:05 mircea_popescu: punkman you gonna collect all this in a blog post ?

16:37:14 punkman: it will be in the app

16:37:18 mircea_popescu: and what's average time ?

16:39:06 fluffypony: heh

16:39:08 fluffypony: we're cool that way

16:40:04 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I still use DCE when drawing up an MoU for a freelancer in another country

16:40:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00082842 = 26.2195 BTC [-] {3}

16:40:07 fluffypony: hard habit to break

16:40:30 mircea_popescu: i thought it was mostly forgotten as a legal term cca 1898 or something

16:40:31 moiety: ah chicago http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chicago-nuns-take-strip-club-to-court-for-raucous-music-used-condoms-and-neon-lights-9545855.html

16:40:31 assbot: Chicago nuns take strip club to court for 'raucous music, used condoms and neon lights' - Americas - World - The Independent

16:40:35 benkay: dce?

16:41:02 mircea_popescu: benkay http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/ grep domicilium

16:41:03 assbot: How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business

16:41:23 fluffypony: benkay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicilium_citandi_et_executandi

16:41:23 assbot: Domicilium citandi et executandi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

16:41:32 mircea_popescu: anyway, imo the fiat approach is naive.

16:44:29 fluffypony: everyone seems to be doing it lately

16:44:36 fluffypony: valuing things entirely in fiat

16:45:02 fluffypony: and then almost as an afterthought "ohey, fundraising is in Bitcoin and so are dividend payments"

16:45:11 mircea_popescu: yeah, that's totally a good reason :D

16:45:33 fluffypony: lol

16:45:35 mircea_popescu: what i mean is specifically this : that the construction of recourse and remedy on the infrastructure of fiat is not going to work.

16:45:50 mircea_popescu: if it were going to work, fiat-based intl merchants wouldn't have such a fucking headache.

16:46:03 mircea_popescu: consider the earlier case described by altucher.

16:46:23 mircea_popescu: why did "bill" and everyone else involved seem to think that once the 10mn is wired, that's it, the fraudster won ?

16:46:31 mircea_popescu: why, specifically because the fiat method does not work.

16:48:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899789 = 0.69 BTC [-]

16:48:15 fluffypony: I agree with that - it was more to show that personal liability is always an option on the fiat side (reckless trading etc.), so this idea that you can burn a registered company and walk away and start a new one is also flawed

16:48:25 fluffypony: because that's the other thing that seems to be big, especially on the forums

16:48:32 fluffypony: "I can show business registration papers so therefore"

16:48:38 mircea_popescu: depends if you make a business of it or not.

16:48:42 fluffypony: like registering a business in and of itself makes it flawless

16:48:51 mircea_popescu: if you do, you can. if you're random joe blow you can not, but then again this stuff is not for you anyway,

16:48:57 fluffypony: yep

16:49:12 asciilifeform: burn a registered company and walk away and start a new one << interesting historical degenerate case: russia during lenin's 'NEP' - 20s - folks would close a firm immediately prior to tax day, open new one the day after with same assets

16:49:13 benkay: "CAN I HAVE BITCOINZ NOA?" << lol

16:49:21 mircea_popescu: so it's really a blind alley : those on whom it'd work are probably the same set that think "bitcoin is bad" or w/e

16:49:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and even so soviet tax collection was better than the tsar's.

16:49:54 asciilifeform: ('nep' was an experiment with limited 'backslide' into capitalism)

16:50:34 asciilifeform: result was a miniature preview of the 'roaring '90s'

16:50:48 mircea_popescu: which brings an interestin point.

16:51:09 punkman: mircea_popescu: average time from winning bet placement to resolution is 42 days

16:51:12 mircea_popescu: i wasn't watching at the time, but did ayone in the early 90s/late 80s say hey, lenin's nep previewed what'll happen here ?

16:51:17 mircea_popescu: punkman ty!

16:51:22 asciilifeform: oh sure they did

16:51:35 asciilifeform: plenty of folks knew exactly how it would roll.

16:51:46 mircea_popescu: ;;calc (2633 / 9393) ** (42/365)

16:51:46 gribble: 0.863856328733

16:51:51 mircea_popescu: 86% pa.

16:53:47 fluffypony: btw benkay - http://stealth.openwall.net/xSports/shocker.c

16:53:51 fluffypony: docker breakout PoC

16:54:26 punkman: 9393 was only the winners' input btw

16:54:29 benkay: "don't run strange"

16:54:57 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/06/nsa-spiegel-snowden-14-0618.pdf << 200 pgs. of new crapolade

16:56:20 benkay: crapolades

16:56:26 benkay: accocraps

16:56:48 benkay: derpocalypse

16:57:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.0008269 = 16.9515 BTC [-] {3}

16:58:02 asciilifeform: all the good bits carefully censored out.

16:59:05 chetty: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Graffiti-Suspect-Francisco-Canseco-Tagged-Courtroom-263528431.html

16:59:06 assbot: Brazen Graffiti Suspect Tagged Courtroom: Officials | NBC 7 San Diego

17:02:44 benkay: http://fraudsters.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#footnote_1_55053 // not strong, someday smart.

17:02:45 assbot: People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:08:00 *: chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// "- I suppose you?ve never learned of the law that protects people?s rights and propety?"

17:08:16 chetty: goes so nice with theft of redskins trademark

17:09:20 asciilifeform: as i understand, not quite stolen yet - just some of the bolts holding it down removed.

17:09:29 asciilifeform: there are still state-level trademarks, afaik

17:12:29 chetty: the states stand up so well to the feds these days

17:16:14 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/48WRuJ6,W7nuzd8#0

17:16:15 assbot: turdomatic - Imgur

17:16:19 asciilifeform: ^ choice turdlets

17:18:01 punkman: asciilifeform: what's that

17:18:22 asciilifeform: punkman: snippets from the new spiegel collection

17:23:16 chetty: asciilifeform, greping for ips? wish I had some time for funs

17:23:17 Naphex: mircea_popescu: lol http://fundatiabitcoin.ro/

17:23:17 assbot: Fundatia Bitcoin Romania | Sustine Bitcoin

17:23:45 fluffypony: lol

17:24:17 asciilifeform: Radu Georgescu << gecad ?

17:24:24 Naphex: yes

17:24:37 Naphex: or coinzone or whatever

17:38:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 90 @ 0.01979875 = 1.7819 BTC [+] {2}

17:39:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06550729 = 0.6551 BTC [-] {4}

17:41:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06323412 = 1.5809 BTC [-] {5}

17:46:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00082375 = 14.498 BTC [-] {4}

17:48:54 mthreat: asciilifeform: that nsa-spiegel-snowden PDF is pretty interesting. It seems like Germany is basically part of the "five eyes" countries, which would make it "six eyes"

17:49:09 asciilifeform: mthreat: the bnd thing is old hat.

17:49:58 asciilifeform: muppet state.

17:50:19 asciilifeform: (not to be confused with 'puppet state')

17:54:04 benkay: <mircea_popescu> incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ? // video ho in the rap industry

18:04:02 benkay: punkman: that's lookin all right man

18:11:50 mike_c: yeah, very cool. when do we get to play with it?

18:20:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00082603 = 4.0062 BTC [+]

18:22:14 davout: how does this guy get resolved if the auction is kept private? --> http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/

18:22:14 assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 1.39 B (58%) on Yes, 0.99 B (42%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 92`453 (100`000 to 1)

18:24:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0635 = 2.8575 BTC [+]

18:25:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06349999 = 0.762 BTC [-] {3}

18:31:30 los_pantalones: does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ?

18:31:41 los_pantalones: i was always under the impression that they didn't have control of that

18:32:38 asciilifeform: los_pantalones: dpr might be sitting on a stake as we speak, coughing up the keys

18:33:26 los_pantalones: hmm

18:33:32 los_pantalones: color me skeptical

18:34:21 mike_c: possiblity? SR coins can be sold now. DPR coins can't be sold until conviction.

18:34:42 mike_c: ianal

18:34:46 los_pantalones: yes, i think that is true

18:34:52 los_pantalones: but still only theoretically

18:35:25 fluffypony: that's the way I understood it too

18:35:57 los_pantalones: fluffypony you understood that was the process or that the feds do not have the private keys

18:35:58 los_pantalones: or both

18:36:08 fluffypony: both

18:36:12 los_pantalones: tyvm

18:36:18 los_pantalones: i thought i was crazy

18:36:42 fluffypony: they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench

18:37:08 fluffypony: Joe "The Plumber" Kazinsci will work his wrench magic on DPR

18:37:21 los_pantalones: ha, idk, i don't doubt they will try

18:37:27 los_pantalones: but if it comes AFTER the conviction

18:39:04 los_pantalones: why would he care

18:39:15 los_pantalones: "welcome to jail for life"

18:42:11 FabianB: $traded

18:42:11 empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE X.EUR

18:43:55 benkay: ;;later tell BingoBoingo herbi's back?

18:43:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:50:12 chetty: http://www.coindesk.com/list-possible-silk-road-bitcoin-bidders-allegedly-leaked-us-marshals/

18:50:13 assbot: List of Possible Silk Road Bitcoin Bidders Allegedly Leaked by US Marshals

18:52:43 asciilifeform: 'Avarus, Inc. (?we?, ?us?, ?our?) was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on September 20, 2010. The Company was originally organized as a ?blank check? shell Company to investigate and acquire a target company or business seeking the perceived advantages of being a publicly held corporation.' << lol!

19:08:21 trinque: chetty: amateurs

19:21:26 davout: the list is genuine

19:21:30 punkman: mike_c: fresh out of the oven https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py/src

19:21:31 assbot: abfg / bitbet.py / source / — Bitbucket

19:23:58 mike_c: nice

19:24:09 punkman: no it's 15kb of pure horror

19:24:16 kakobrekla: title = AttrMap(Filler(Text(['BITBET.PY', '\n', 'DELUXE EDITION'],align='center'),valign='middle'), 'banner') < WIN

19:24:51 kakobrekla: only amazing edition can top that

19:24:51 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:25:09 punkman: there's some work to get to AMAZING

19:30:20 punkman: why isn't the hashbang working, how do I linux?

19:39:56 mike_c: don't you need a space?

19:40:03 mike_c: #! /usr/whatever

19:40:53 mike_c: doesn't look like it, ignore me.

19:43:39 punkman: oops forgot chmod +x

19:44:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00082697 = 7.7322 BTC [+] {2}

19:47:20 nubbins`: heh

19:47:25 nubbins`: nanotube, first name on the list

19:48:32 Naphex: so there is a list of bidders

19:48:34 Naphex: pretty interesting

19:48:41 Naphex: anyone did any intel on the bidders yet?

19:50:30 thestringpuller: nanotube is an associate professor

19:50:34 thestringpuller: never really knew his real name

19:51:57 Naphex: anyone got the full bcc?

19:52:19 los_pantalones: i think that was the full list

19:52:23 los_pantalones: don't think there were any bcc

20:09:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06943859 = 1.2499 BTC [+] {2}

20:10:48 los_pantalones: !up 1337

20:11:17 FabianB: 1 != l

20:11:26 los_pantalones: !up 1337

20:11:50 chetty: !up l337

20:11:56 l337: oh, thanks chetty

20:12:01 chetty: yw

20:12:11 l337: why couldn't you do it, los_pantalones?

20:12:28 FabianB: because 1 != l

20:12:45 l337: ah, didn't notice that

20:14:28 l337: regarding this http://fraudsters.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/

20:14:30 assbot: People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:14:52 l337: is MP pricing bitcoin @ $10k, did I get that right?

20:15:21 chetty: well he is making a point about not selling cheap if you got em to hold

20:17:35 chetty: I dont think we actually have very good price signals atm

20:17:54 bitstein: We don't.

20:18:07 l337: what would constitute a good price signal tho?

20:26:52 punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909791

20:26:52 assbot: Code Spaces data and backups deleted by hackers | Hacker News

20:27:44 punkman: clown-based backups

20:30:07 fluffypony: "Our backups were powered by Usagi"

20:30:11 fluffypony: I wish that was in there :(

20:30:55 punkman: better link http://beta.slashdot.org/story/203503

20:30:56 assbot: Code Spaces Hosting Shutting Down After Attacker Deletes All Data - Slashdot

20:31:33 davout: los_pantalones Naphex i have 21 more e-mail addresses in mine

20:33:02 los_pantalones: oh, fo realz? why didn't they get dox'd with the rest ?

20:33:41 los_pantalones: and are you bidding or just asked them a question ?

20:36:10 los_pantalones: sorry, per'aps that was something i shouldn't have asked

20:38:07 chetty: davout, +1 spy skills

20:38:34 davout: there are a few addresses that have no associated name, a couple folks that lead to multiple google hits

20:38:47 davout: also no, i'm not bidding, and i didn't inquire

20:39:49 los_pantalones: oh, got it

20:41:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16541 @ 0.00082894 = 13.7115 BTC [+]

20:42:43 chetty: !up l337

20:46:20 FabianB: l337: if you lurk a few month you'll know better

20:46:48 l337: will do

20:48:10 FabianB: l337: if you don't look short-time you might realize it's not current fiat/btc price that matters

20:49:07 l337: I seem to know that already, it's the long-term value I am interested in

20:53:00 fluffypony: long-term I already know the price of Bitcoin

20:53:10 fluffypony: by the time we hit 2030

20:53:16 fluffypony: 1 Bitcoin will = 1 Bitcoin

20:53:19 fluffypony: you heard it here first

20:53:21 fluffypony: tell your kids

20:53:26 Mats_cd03: shit, nigga

20:53:44 fluffypony: Mats_cd03: I'm a regular prophet

20:54:02 fluffypony: ;;8ball will 1 Bitcoin = 1 Bitcoin by the time we hit 2030?

20:54:02 gribble: One would be wise to think so.

20:54:11 fluffypony: even gribble knows.

20:54:19 FabianB: too many miners don't

20:55:21 l337: it must be painful spending it once the dollar goes to shit

20:56:19 chetty: whats a dollar?

20:56:56 jurov: hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN?

20:57:09 mike_c: no settlement announcement yet

20:57:16 mike_c: i assume that means it will be capped.

20:57:24 FabianB: $depth X.IDIFF.JUN

20:57:24 empyex: FabianB: [X.IDIFF.JUN] Bids:

20:57:25 empyex: FabianB: [X.IDIFF.JUN] Asks: 4806 @ 0.01189900 100000 @ 0.01190000 1 @ 0.01200000

20:57:50 mike_c: dangerous trading on settlement day.

20:57:56 davout: chetty: "whats a dollar?" <<< just a letter away from a collar

20:58:09 fluffypony: chetty: it's like Bitcoin but centralised and it has a random annual inflation set by this centralised issuer. also no block reward, lame.

20:58:36 jurov: yes, it's frozen on coinbr and I would like to close it today, tmrw will be mostly afk

20:58:57 mike_c: mircea_popescu hasn't said anything

20:59:08 jurov: that's why i'm asking

20:59:13 mike_c: just highlighting him :)

20:59:30 *: jurov feels derpy nao

20:59:48 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs_DORLTWLU

20:59:48 assbot: Nassim Taleb on Anti-Fragility - YouTube

20:59:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:00:47 asciilifeform: ^ finally forced myself to read that book - not a fan. despite not really disagreeing with the arguments (to the extent the man bothered to make arguments)

21:01:35 asciilifeform: it is very reminiscent of the 'atheism books' one finds in u.s. shops. if you were never a christian, they're a total snore.

21:02:31 asciilifeform: herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag?

21:02:32 jurov: ;;calc 4250217919*2.9

21:02:32 gribble: 12325631965.1

21:02:55 jurov: def capped

21:03:11 mike_c: i would hope so. diff flipped on the 18th though.

21:03:26 jurov: did it? lol

21:03:41 mike_c: but since it hasn't been announced yet, i assume capped.

21:03:57 mike_c: (and i may or may not be talking my book here)

21:09:50 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656861.msg7383469#msg7383469

21:09:50 assbot: CRYPTNEY- Bringing Crypto Currency to the Masses!

21:09:55 fluffypony: "If you are on my investors mailing list this is the email number. Please cross check.

21:09:55 fluffypony: To confirm email please match numbers.

21:09:55 fluffypony: Private investor email #134252"

21:10:02 fluffypony: lol

21:10:19 fluffypony: who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz

21:13:52 mike_c: if only there were a way to verify who wrote an email..

21:15:00 fluffypony: mike_c: I know

21:15:06 punkman: yo dawg I heard u like difficulty: "The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y. "

21:15:07 fluffypony: it would be a marvellous invention

21:15:09 punkman: http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/06/18/how-to-disincentivize-large-bitcoin-mining-pools/

21:15:10 assbot: How to Disincentivize Large Bitcoin Mining Pools

21:15:11 fluffypony: someone should add that

21:25:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00082643 = 8.099 BTC [-]

21:26:54 Mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/jaRsJvZgg2s

21:26:54 assbot: ZHU - Faded (ODESZA Remix) - YouTube

21:29:00 dignork: punkman: this proposition does not solve anything really. gigahash will run his private servers to solve the second puzzle, happily keeping 99% of hashing power.

21:29:28 punkman: I'm sure it's braindamaged

21:29:40 punkman: too long, didn't read

21:31:03 dignork: tl;dr version: we add another puzzle with controllable difficulty, which pool will have to solve, but it uses privkey, so he won't outsource it.

21:31:49 punkman: ah thx ;)

21:33:31 Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/moby-almost-home-sound-remedy-remix

21:33:32 assbot: Moby - Almost Home (Sound Remedy Remix) by Sound Remedy on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds

21:39:15 mircea_popescu: <punkman> 9393 was only the winners' input btw << well yes.

21:39:29 mircea_popescu: * chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// << the funny thingbeing... i don't even drink that much tea :D

21:39:53 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ^ choice turdlets << ahahaha the ips are the lulzy part.

21:40:39 mircea_popescu: <Naphex> tre' sa fie si puletii nostri in rind cu puletii lor, nu se poa'.

21:43:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.065 = 0.91 BTC [-]

21:45:00 Naphex: mircea_popescu: omu numa prostii observa si invata vad ca

21:45:01 Naphex: :)

21:46:03 Naphex: at some point maybe people will wise up and stop comming into bitcoin like its hipster web3.0

21:47:58 mircea_popescu: ok so believe it or not, fraudsters credits just had its first hash collision. two guys with very reasonable emails + their ips hash as the same thing. who knew.

21:48:49 Naphex: the cookie hashing scheme seemed a bit lacking

21:49:03 mircea_popescu: Naphex not gonna happen. remember patriciu thinking he's going to be rich by copying berlusconi (adevarul),

21:49:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00082578 = 6.6888 BTC [-]

21:49:10 mircea_popescu: or that sad sad mic.ro debacle ?

21:49:16 mircea_popescu: ;;google moartea ca o veste buna

21:49:17 gribble: Octombrie 2010 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2010/10; Lifespiel pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/lifespiel/; La mormantul lui ARSENIE BOCA. Parintele a lasat cu limba de ...: http://intamplarisavante.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/la-mormantul-lui-arsenie-boca-parintele-a-lasat-cu-limba-de-moarte-ca-nimeni-sa-nu- (1 more message)

21:49:23 mircea_popescu: bah

21:49:36 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/

21:49:37 assbot: Moartea ca o veste buna pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:50:11 mircea_popescu: that should prolly be in english

21:51:18 Naphex: doubt it would sound that good in english

21:51:37 Naphex: romanian has a good way of adding feeling into writing :)

21:52:01 mircea_popescu: i guess so.

21:56:10 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones: does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ? << they claim they do.

21:56:15 mircea_popescu: sort -of, kinda.

21:56:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/xidiffjun-has-settled-2/

21:56:58 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench << this is a dubious proposition at best.

21:57:18 mircea_popescu: the difference between us being, of course, that i've had occasion to beat things out of people.

21:57:50 TheNewDeal: MP, i thought the US has the wallets, but they do not have the password to unencrypt

21:58:15 mircea_popescu: all too often it goes like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-d5yU-aQ34

21:58:15 assbot: CASINO(1995) TORTURE SCENE.. - YouTube

21:58:21 Naphex: here is a question, will USMS send the bitcoin to the winer or give him private keys/paper wallet?:)

21:58:24 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal right.

21:58:56 TheNewDeal: surprised he didn't have it backed up anywhere?

21:59:08 TheNewDeal: I am surprised *

21:59:42 mircea_popescu: they don't have the EXCLUSIVE now do they

21:59:46 mircea_popescu: info wants to be free.

21:59:58 mircea_popescu: for all the usg knows, we all have a copy, and the keys, and are sitting here lolling at their punk ass.

22:00:59 TheNewDeal: what do you mean exclusive, like the sole copy?

22:01:08 mircea_popescu: ya

22:01:14 mircea_popescu: punkman: no it's 15kb of pure horror << lol make it longer!

22:02:28 mircea_popescu: btw, if the usms manages to get SCAMMED out of the sale...

22:02:30 fluffypony: needs moar whitespace!

22:02:35 mircea_popescu: o boy. that'll be the lol of all time.

22:03:18 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/at1Klvk.jpg

22:03:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13013 @ 0.00082547 = 10.7418 BTC [-] {2}

22:03:37 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: never really knew his real name << http://fraudsters.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-iii/ like.

22:03:38 assbot: Fetele bitcoin-ului, episodul III pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:03:38 asciilifeform: usms manages to get SCAMMED << had urge to bet on this, immediately after the press release. then understood that probably 'badBet.'

22:03:41 mircea_popescu: gotta read fraudstersz.

22:04:33 mircea_popescu: punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909791 << clearly usagi has a future.

22:04:34 assbot: Code Spaces data and backups deleted by hackers | Hacker News

22:05:01 BingoBoingo: Bitpay continues burning money at an alarming rate http://valleywag.gawker.com/there-will-be-a-bitcoin-ncaa-bowl-game-1592534915/+laceydonohue

22:05:02 assbot: There Will Be a Bitcoin NCAA Bowl Game

22:05:26 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: shit, nigga << my words exactly :D

22:05:42 Naphex: mircea_popescu: was that interview in romanian or translated?

22:05:46 TheNewDeal: 3 year sponsorship... dman

22:05:53 mircea_popescu: translated. nanotube doesn't yet speak it

22:06:11 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: So 3-10 million burned

22:06:45 mircea_popescu: o hey, less than neobee

22:06:50 TheNewDeal: maybe even less

22:06:51 mircea_popescu: course, cyprus advertising is kinda useless

22:07:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 2.5ish afaik

22:07:23 mircea_popescu: jurov: hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN? << was announced.

22:07:27 mircea_popescu: mike_c ^

22:07:38 mike_c: i saw. wise decision.

22:07:47 BingoBoingo: 2.5 ish is stil close to 10% of their last fundraising round

22:08:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag? << kinda why i wanted him to come here.

22:08:29 mircea_popescu: it's my estimation that he's like a russian hound running with pudels,

22:08:49 mircea_popescu: which is the worst thing that can happen to the hound. the poodles... well... what do they care.

22:09:07 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, do you know about how much a round COSTS ?

22:09:32 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i saw. wise decision. << haha why, did it make you moneyz ?

22:09:43 mike_c: it might have :)

22:09:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, but I assume it costs a lot of sweat and treasure... and equity

22:09:53 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz << epic lol

22:10:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it costs money.

22:10:16 mircea_popescu: you gotta pay all sorts of people, and generally upfront fees.

22:10:30 mircea_popescu: this is why corps that blow a round and surivive are so rar.

22:10:32 mircea_popescu: e

22:11:00 mircea_popescu: also exactly where the vc wants them : once they're in the ring they pretty much gotta close, no matter what the termsheet.

22:11:07 mircea_popescu: the other side of course has no such constraints.

22:12:48 mircea_popescu: "Confirmado: no hay precio para el d?lar. Nadie vende, solo compran a $ 12.30".

22:12:50 TheNewDeal: called that xdiff june was underrated

22:12:54 mircea_popescu: the peso looks well in trouble lol

22:14:03 TheNewDeal: which peso? so many

22:14:44 mircea_popescu: argentine

22:15:51 mircea_popescu: this country is getting so fucken sweet...

22:16:00 benkay: lol except for the machinery

22:16:13 benkay: how on earth are you supposed to run a machine shop when they hold your mills at the border?

22:16:46 mircea_popescu: "Overall, it provides a gentle fix to the recent GHash fiasco"

22:16:47 mircea_popescu: derp.

22:17:05 mircea_popescu: i guess scammers and academics will never stfu are they

22:17:28 benkay: seriously mircea_popescu how can one have a good time without CNC machinery?

22:18:07 mircea_popescu: why without ?

22:18:31 benkay: how to get a big-boy mill into ars?

22:19:00 mircea_popescu: The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y.

22:19:08 mircea_popescu: how the fuck can current miners preserve ths investment lmao

22:19:17 mircea_popescu: benkay you import it, like anything else ?

22:19:27 benkay: except that it gets stopped at the border.

22:20:18 mircea_popescu: "This mechanism is easy to devise following a community discussion that establishes the principles"

22:20:21 mircea_popescu: holy hell already.

22:20:27 mircea_popescu: benkay who told you this ? and why ?

22:21:30 mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta broadway nao. laters.

22:21:52 benkay: some argentinian. to keep me from doing things?

22:22:03 TheNewDeal: you can't import cnc equipment into argentina?

22:22:37 benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border.

22:22:48 TheNewDeal: who's going to run a cnc shop? I work on cnc equipment at the moment

22:22:49 benkay: but i'd just looooooove to plop down 600k to test the theory.

22:23:10 benkay: it's on the list of things to buy, TheNewDeal .

22:23:12 TheNewDeal: we could import it in parts and then bujild it

22:23:25 TheNewDeal: you*

22:23:30 benkay: hue

22:23:40 TheNewDeal: ewe

22:24:07 dignork: just funny: http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/18/bitcoin-auction/

22:24:08 assbot: US Marshall Accidentally Reply-Alls Anonymous Bitcoin Auction Bidders In Email Fiasco | TechCrunch

22:25:37 TheNewDeal: noooo way

22:26:32 TheNewDeal: oh that's lame, they showed the email with blacked out names

22:27:05 dignork: TheNewDeal: dunno who blacked the names, somebody got the full list though

22:27:22 TheNewDeal: techcrunch did

22:27:47 dignork: usms later said that these are not bidders, just people that where asking for clarifications

22:27:48 TheNewDeal: or at least that is what the article claims

22:29:02 TheNewDeal: in other news, "US Marshal only spelled with one L"

22:29:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5136 @ 0.00082459 = 4.2351 BTC [-]

22:30:40 asciilifeform: benkay: i hear they'll let your machine through if you bring it as... carry-on baggage

22:34:39 TheNewDeal: good luck with that

22:35:07 TheNewDeal: you're asking for many questions from people who will be very suspicious and will not understand your answers

22:36:13 *: asciilifeform carried a fat oscilloscope and ominous-looking crate with sample boards through u.s, german, romanian customs; nobody blinked an eye

22:37:01 asciilifeform: i suppose if your cargo looks immediately valuable, you might have problems.

22:37:52 TheNewDeal: thats ridiculous

22:38:09 TheNewDeal: o-scope was phat though

22:38:56 jurov: you should have painted it as doomsday device

22:39:12 TheNewDeal: nuclear warning

22:39:31 asciilifeform: take analog scope, glue fins.

22:39:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.068 = 3.468 BTC [+] {2}

22:40:16 TheNewDeal: how expensive is an analog scope?

22:40:31 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: if you make the right friends - free.

22:41:01 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: if you want a new unit with reasonable bandwidth - a few $K.

22:41:22 TheNewDeal: thats what I was seeing when I looked it up. quite amazed

22:41:52 asciilifeform: it'll put you over the weight limit for most airlines, though.

22:42:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06987478 = 0.6987 BTC [+]

22:43:16 TheNewDeal: 50 pounds?!?

22:43:23 asciilifeform: approx

22:43:31 TheNewDeal: whaaaaat

22:43:53 asciilifeform: varies.

22:44:00 TheNewDeal: thats ridiculous

22:44:51 asciilifeform: analogue scope has its virtues. as i understand, most tech types own both kinds.

22:46:14 TheNewDeal: what do they have in university labs? I always assumed those ones were very inexpensive

22:46:28 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: usually chinese digital scopes, like mine

22:46:39 TheNewDeal: ahhhh

22:46:43 asciilifeform: depends on the uni

22:47:02 TheNewDeal: of course

22:47:12 asciilifeform: mine must've had a good payola year, because they had costly hp units

22:49:45 TheNewDeal: oOo

22:54:05 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/hacker-infects-synology-storage-devices-makes-off-with-620000-in-dogecoin/

22:54:06 assbot: Hacker infects Synology storage devices, makes off with $620,000 in Dogecoin | Ars Technica

22:54:48 TheNewDeal: ascii why did you say that buproprion is useless?

22:55:06 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: useless is perhaps wrong word

22:55:45 asciilifeform: pharmacologically weak, like 'nonalcoholic' beer, rather.

22:56:07 asciilifeform: you can get 'real' dopamine reuptake inhibitors - but in dark alley, not pharmacy.

22:56:45 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2Q980S5.txt )

22:56:45 BingoBoingo: !b 4

22:57:41 BingoBoingo: I'm telling you that cholorine atom on the ring is the only thing holding it back from greatness and success in the back alley

22:58:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: snip it, add a methyl, ---> methcathinone

22:58:40 asciilifeform: (brief career as antidepressant in ussr)

22:58:43 TheNewDeal: what is the way to rate a dopamine reuptake inhibitor

22:58:48 asciilifeform: now a kitchen favourite in usa

23:00:27 asciilifeform: *snip methyl

23:01:36 BingoBoingo: It's really amazing how many catecholemine affecting drugs are merely the base chemical with various things snipped or tacked on...

23:01:36 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:03:14 BingoBoingo: Entirely different effects built from the same core https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propanolol#mediaviewer/File:Propranolol-skeletal.svg

23:03:14 assbot: Propranolol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

23:05:18 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/JlsaEDI << drug for ThePoor (tm)

23:05:18 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

23:05:43 BingoBoingo: lol

23:10:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://i34.tinypic.com/34sqzx2.jpg

23:13:24 TheNewDeal: you two are ridiculous

23:26:40 jurov: dudes and gals, you were really in bashful mood recently

23:26:46 jurov: 22 quotes added

23:31:52 Naphex: "The Amazon phone is finally here: Amazon unveils the Fire Phone" -> http://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/bgr-amazon-smartphone-kindle-fire-phone.jpg?w=952&h=575&crop=1

23:32:03 Naphex: so.. iphone with windows ui, got it

23:32:11 Naphex: lousy name for a product though, fire phone

23:32:37 mike_c: i think amazon runs custom droid builds

23:34:43 jurov: !up justlurking

23:35:14 jurov: !up dignork

23:35:46 punkman: but jurov he only wanted to lurk

23:36:02 justlurking: thanks jurov; I'm here pre-Yeshiva

23:53:12 BingoBoingo: justlurking: Another one of Pete's jews?

23:53:48 benkay: lol

23:53:50 TheNewDeal: lol

23:55:51 BingoBoingo: justlurking: You could do the thing I did, pick a silly name and then later find out you are stuck with it.

23:55:53 justlurking: probably?

23:56:51 benkay: that will definitely happen.

23:56:56 benkay: pick a name you like and use it.

23:57:42 justlurking: yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete