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00:01:10 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166073 << unless you find a bear named "Mr. Employment"

00:01:10 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:49:18; jurov: i don need no fucking employment

00:02:08 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166060 << lmao. sarcastic aaaand true.

00:02:08 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:46:46; mats: yes the executions are a big plus

00:03:40 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166763 --> http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/23/want-to-drive-for-uber-first-you-need-to-make-some-mistakes/

00:03:40 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 21:15:16; mircea_popescu: ascii_field myeah, uber does seem like the usgs last gasp effort to "socialism" the cabbuie business

00:03:41 assbot: Want to drive for Uber ? First, you need to make some mistakes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjWZkb )

00:04:11 pete_dushenski: uber is easily half the price of a cab here.

00:04:28 pete_dushenski: also, edmonton has uber and calgary, a larger city 300km south, doesn't

00:04:34 pete_dushenski: "illegal" there.

00:05:00 pete_dushenski: normal cabs are flat out unaffordable for regular use.

00:05:06 pete_dushenski: uber... isn't

00:05:38 pete_dushenski: though i'm flabbergasted that asciilifeform drives 2-4 hrs PER DAY !

00:05:56 pete_dushenski: in case anyone thought this guy wasn't shiva reincarnate, think again.

00:06:25 ascii_field: it's roughly half the price of a cab pretty much everywhere, by design.

00:06:57 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i didn't used to. worked mostly from home for a long time

00:07:05 cazalla: i'm sure i've mentioned it before but cabbies go around performing citizen's arrest on uber drivers down under

00:07:09 pete_dushenski: he's in #b-a an easy 6 hours per day. solid. plus cardano. plus phuctor. plus '98% busy'

00:07:34 ascii_field: eh #b-a is on own lcd

00:07:45 ascii_field: 'background thread' in head.

00:07:48 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: eh, same here :)

00:08:05 pete_dushenski: but i guess now we know where cardano delivery went : commuting

00:08:13 pete_dushenski: on the highway, 2-4 hours per day

00:08:21 ascii_field: sometimes i log in from the car.

00:08:38 pete_dushenski: pet drives ?

00:08:43 ascii_field: nope

00:08:46 ascii_field: never learned how.

00:09:00 pete_dushenski: then YOU ARE SHIVA

00:09:20 kakobrekla: only if shiva was alien

00:09:24 ascii_field: i offered many times to teach her to drive, but she was sharp enough to grasp that this meant 'more chores' and didn't bite

00:10:37 kakobrekla: alf will not be put in front of execution wall but dissected for studies

00:10:39 BingoBoingo: !b 3

00:10:40 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ZR2D5R.txt )

00:10:51 kakobrekla: i think if just fuckued your bash

00:11:08 BingoBoingo: No, you just extended it

00:11:29 BingoBoingo: was only going to bash 2

00:14:04 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166826 << would visit. been meaning to check out st. petersburg anyways. near enough.

00:14:04 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 21:55:45; mats: http://time.com/3923842/putin-kubinka-moscow-patriot-park-russia-opens-a-military-playground-for-the-patriotic

00:14:33 pete_dushenski: back in a sec.

00:15:28 mod6: !up assbot

00:15:30 mod6: bah

00:15:33 mod6: !up ascii_field

00:16:18 mod6: <+ascii_field> sometimes i log in from the car. << i can just imagine you driving around the beltway with your knee irc'ing from a phone.

00:16:35 ascii_field: usually at dead stop

00:16:50 mod6: hah s/driving/parking/

00:17:07 ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/nsa-travel-2014.pdf << lulzies! includes an expense item, someone took a trip to an event titled 'all girls, all math'

00:17:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjY8Z7 )

00:18:28 hanbot: the only female in that office.

00:18:37 mats: http://www.math.unl.edu/programs/agam

00:18:39 assbot: All Girls/All Math | Department of Mathematics | University of Nebraska–Lincoln ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjYgaY )

00:18:49 mats: summer maths camp.

00:19:00 ascii_field: sponsors: '... nsa'

00:20:23 BingoBoingo: Nebraska, like Ohio a place that when USia is scrapped can be sold to the dirt

00:21:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122750 @ 0.00043129 = 52.9408 BTC [+] {2}

00:27:28 mircea_popescu: so there was a blood gorged mosquito on the wall. as i didn't want to leave a splotch, i hit it in such a manner as to only dizzy it. i can now disable-shot mosquitors.

00:27:40 mircea_popescu: does this qualify me for a black belt or something ?

00:27:57 ascii_field: this is sop where i live

00:28:06 ascii_field: perhaps the new ones have harder carapace

00:29:49 mircea_popescu: first one i've seen in a month or two

00:30:37 ascii_field: i encountered a good number of mosquitoes in b-a but none bit me. couldn't help but think of the old sf stories re: creatures on alien planet unable to eat (or be eaten by) us on account of wrong protein chirality

00:32:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 259400 @ 0.00042478 = 110.1879 BTC [-] {5}

00:32:35 BingoBoingo: I tend to just... clean up the blood. They are disease carrying organisms and deserve nothing but lethal intent.

00:33:23 mircea_popescu: you know colt made some pretty kickass pistols.

00:33:33 ascii_field: once upon a time.

00:33:39 ascii_field: but now they're something like 'atari'

00:33:40 mircea_popescu: i suspect the usg policy against private small arms has finally found the chokehold : drive the manufacturers out of business.

00:33:43 ascii_field: a name without a body

00:34:11 ascii_field: afaik colt did not actually manufacture anything, in own factories, other than usg orders, for some years (decades?)

00:34:16 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> i consider this to be a necessary thing << it is.

00:34:17 ascii_field: but used subcontractors in turdworld

00:34:37 ascii_field: so colt ~= atari.

00:34:53 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> this will be a substantial change in default behaviour, because the thing ~will~ have to be given irc server params on command line, and/or seed ips, or ~will not run~ << this is the wrong approach. config file, with sane defaults.

00:35:04 mircea_popescu: never, ever, EVERY may any input be required from the user imperatively.

00:35:17 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: sane defaults produced how?

00:35:22 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i suspect the usg policy against private small arms has finally found the chokehold : drive the manufacturers out of business. << Most of the good "Colt" designs are now made better by others. Argentinas Taurus is one.

00:35:22 mircea_popescu: user has the option to provide input, program that depends on input to run was shipped broken

00:35:23 ascii_field: presently thing ships with no config

00:35:29 ascii_field: and no mechanism to copy it to user's homedir

00:35:45 ascii_field: if we had node(s) running, could supply this default.

00:35:50 ascii_field: presently - we do not.

00:36:28 mircea_popescu: <mats> mighta had a chance if privately owned by black disabled lesbian << no. belgian firm has to import weapons, so they can be kept off mnarket. colt does not hyave to import anythinfg, can just turn around and sell. the usg will award no further contracts for anything to anyone who can also sell to us civillians, jus watch.

00:36:32 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ... program that depends on input to run was shipped broken << L0L!! 'cat' ships broken ?

00:36:50 mircea_popescu: very similar situation to the entire "we don't spy on citizens, the brits did, as part of an agreement we made with them, so whatcha gonna do"

00:37:12 ascii_field: ^ dates back to '90s 'echelon' and not at all secret

00:37:25 ascii_field: (the 'five eyes eyeing one another' thing)

00:37:48 mircea_popescu: ascii_field if it doesn't have a -Y mode (assume y on all questions) yes.

00:39:12 ascii_field: everything depends on input

00:39:45 mats: i don't know much about how procurement and acquisitions works

00:39:47 mircea_popescu: mno.

00:39:50 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a0b21db7f61f3860f5eac1b1e51afd35/tumblr_nq3kdrsamT1sgfmbuo2_500.jpg

00:39:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjZCSY )

00:39:56 ascii_field: but basic point - yes - need nodes, so can have usable default

00:40:28 mats: i'm under the mistaken impression that USG only gives contracts to US corps

00:40:49 ascii_field: mats: belgium is in the reich, therefore just as good as florida etc

00:40:50 mats: particularly those related to defense

00:40:57 mats: oh i see

00:41:08 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> but basic point - yes - need nodes, so can have usable default << As weaponixation approaches a suggested .conf updated occasionally may be welcome for maintained nodes but harder for pogo "fire and forget" nodes

00:41:53 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: presumably those will rely heavily on 'last seen' cache.

00:42:00 ascii_field: but yes, the initial seeds ~must~ work.

00:42:17 mircea_popescu: default as in, default for irc.

00:42:22 ascii_field: and it is entirely insufficient to have merely one or two of them.

00:42:46 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: at present time the irc routine is, notice, still in. complete with idiot hardcoded hostname

00:44:18 mircea_popescu: myah

00:44:56 ascii_field: was thinking of tearing out the hardcoded hostname in favour of ip:port read from config

00:45:06 ascii_field: (which - yes - will have to be filled in on initial run)

00:45:32 ascii_field: thing is, i fucking hate magic constants

00:45:35 ascii_field: hardcoded

00:46:05 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

00:46:30 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-06-2015#1161193 << The entire just get a bic and why not butane business is what's wrong with computing. Experimental pocket firebox (in contrast to one with the girl and the ass) has lit when offered everything from 40% ETOH to decade old Kerosene

00:46:30 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 17:13:25; ascii_field: (butane lighters have existed for what, half a century now ?)

00:46:31 ascii_field: thing should come with a suggested config, yes. and it is the responsibility of the installer (gentoo 'emerge' or whatever) to emplace it.

00:47:23 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i occasionally light blowtorches, gas-fired soldering irons, etc. can only use a) match b) butane lighter

00:47:41 ascii_field: a petrol or naptha wick lighter dries out if left alone for six months between uses.

00:48:11 BingoBoingo: naptha/petrol lighter dries out within 2 weeks. Bless that the fuel is cheap.

00:48:19 ascii_field: but worthless to me

00:48:22 ascii_field: because wtf

00:48:34 ascii_field: matchbox beats it for 'minimum effort.'

00:48:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 45984 @ 0.00004 = 1.8394 BTC [-] {5}

00:48:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92450 @ 0.00044425 = 41.0709 BTC [+] {4}

00:49:14 BingoBoingo: But what if you need to torch dupont circle? Will a tiny butane flame from a bic catch of the straw roofs in humid conditions?

00:49:33 BingoBoingo: matchbox indeed is often ideal

00:50:03 BingoBoingo: paper books of matches often still better than box

00:50:03 ascii_field: straw roofs lol

00:51:13 BingoBoingo: High R-values, you know the building codes will promote them soon

00:52:08 pete_dushenski: "Jimmy Lee was a vice chairman at JPMorgan Chase and was widely credited with developing the leveraged loan market in the United States." << dead at age 62.

00:52:28 pete_dushenski: same age as putin for whatever that's worth

00:54:00 BingoBoingo: ;;ud american fist

00:54:01 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The+American+Fist | The American Fist. * When you fist a girl so hard and so deep it causes her to pass-out. * Shove it loud, and shove it proud. I really should have token my ...

00:54:10 BingoBoingo: ^ unlikely 'Murican nao

00:54:50 pete_dushenski: "The Royal Bank of Scotland said on Wednesday that about 600,000 customer transactions had not been processed as a result of a technology failure overnight. The issue affected transactions at the company’s R.B.S., National Westminster Bank, Coutts and Ulster Bank brands." << wasn't there an old meme about 'bitcoin users not affected' ? seems appropriate here.

00:55:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00044638 = 3.3702 BTC [+]

00:56:19 BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe

00:56:19 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00040954 / 0.00043001 / 0.00044638 (1624630 shares, 698.62 BTC), 7D: 0.0003539 / 0.00040764 / 0.00044638 (15483015 shares, 6,311.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00024411 / 0.00033126 / 0.00044638 (117802097 shares, 39,023.80 BTC)

00:59:22 pete_dushenski: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxxXk1d3yyuZOFlsdkNMSGswSGs/view << or why you shouldn't use an operating system 'keychain' to store your passwords

00:59:23 assbot: report.pdf - Google Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk0V4h )

00:59:37 pete_dushenski: "Unauthorized Cross-App Resource Access on MAC OS X and iOS" ^

00:59:44 ascii_field: keychain?

00:59:55 pete_dushenski: password storage manager

01:00:00 ascii_field: like the 'yubikey' turd mtgox shipped ?

01:00:02 pete_dushenski: autofills credentials

01:00:05 ascii_field: ah

01:00:12 pete_dushenski: built into os

01:00:19 pete_dushenski: 'always on'

01:00:46 ascii_field: sounds terminally braindamaged to begin with

01:01:12 ascii_field: and convenient sack of 'crown jewels' for whoever pwns the box

01:01:17 pete_dushenski: and, not unsurprisingly, terminally common

01:01:20 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2514

01:01:22 assbot: JL: ‘The European Age’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk14Vr )

01:02:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39259 @ 0.00044638 = 17.5244 BTC [+]

01:06:03 pete_dushenski: "Tony Clement @TonyclementCPC "Confirmed today that Govt of Canada GC servers have been cyberattacked. Until full service is restored please use 1-800-OCanada." 11:59 AM - 17 Jun 2015 "

01:06:08 pete_dushenski: bwahahha

01:06:23 ascii_field: GC?

01:06:26 ascii_field: garbage collector ?

01:06:35 pete_dushenski: lol!

01:07:16 pete_dushenski: i think clement is being redundant.

01:08:03 pete_dushenski: 'anonymous' has laid claim, citing 'bill c-51'

01:08:19 pete_dushenski: c-51 is some cyberterrorism baloney

01:10:04 pete_dushenski: the dinner guests (rare treat, this) will be here momentarily so i must depart for the evening. bon soir a tous !

01:13:50 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2512

01:13:51 assbot: JL: Steak and Eggs for Breakfast ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk2EXx )

01:14:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00044638 = 26.1579 BTC [+]

01:15:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36236 @ 0.0004355 = 15.7808 BTC [-]

01:15:39 *: BingoBoingo impressed someone seems to exceed even fraudsters in writing pace

01:17:18 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

01:17:27 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: /dev/random also exceeds it

01:17:33 ascii_field: as does my arse

01:17:45 ascii_field: i'd still rather read fraudsters

01:23:45 BingoBoingo: Indeed. Still suprised by such documentation of urban 'Murican decline

01:27:48 *: BingoBoingo still scours lafond site for information which may aid 11 year plan

01:28:33 BingoBoingo: In other news the first of the daisies are opening today.

01:35:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00044687 = 51.8369 BTC [+] {4}

01:40:58 BingoBoingo: I offer lafond fumbling over the corn plan in action http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2533

01:40:59 assbot: JL: The Hoodrat Hatchery ... ( http://bit.ly/1d2Dyk4 )

01:41:10 trinque: so web browsers are gonna run binaries now eh?

01:41:31 trinque: http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/17/google-microsoft-mozilla-and-others-team-up-to-launch-webassembly-a-new-binary-format-for-the-web/

01:41:32 assbot: Google, Microsoft, Mozilla And Others Team Up To Launch WebAssembly, A New Binary Format For The Web | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1d2DAZ2 )

01:41:58 trinque: what could go wrong

01:42:07 ascii_field: l0l microshit at the table

01:42:19 BingoBoingo: trinque: No, not so long as lynx lives. This is just the next stem from js.asm

01:42:39 trinque: ascii_field: they just wanna give the web a nice hug

01:42:41 ascii_field: just when we thought 'flash' had finally died

01:42:54 trinque: and google's clearly taking a page from old microshit 90s tactics

01:43:18 trinque: knew NaCL was going to be activex-google-edition

01:43:39 ascii_field: thing is, classic js, for all the turdaliciousness, was 'too debuggable' for usg tastes.

01:44:00 BingoBoingo: Lafond's excellent take on ISIS http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2531

01:44:01 assbot: JL: ‘They Took Out Entire City Blocks' ... ( http://bit.ly/1QF1wo7 )

01:44:45 trinque: ascii_field: right, did you also see (I think I put it in the logs) Apple's move to compile to apps to an intermediate bytecode, which is then transformed to whichever back-end machine code?

01:44:54 trinque: *to compile apps

01:45:00 ascii_field: eh they use stock llvm

01:45:04 ascii_field: it sorta does this already

01:45:07 trinque: ah ok

01:45:14 ascii_field: yes, i get it, everybody wants to copy microshit

01:45:21 trinque: looked like a move where you "sign" your release, but then they can diddle endlessly at the final step

01:46:34 ascii_field: and all sorta of unsavory actors relish a mandated compile into a poorly-understood, sloppily-implemented instruction set for which there are no quality reversing tools

01:46:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31064 @ 0.0004355 = 13.5284 BTC [-]

01:47:22 trinque: If this sounds depressing, do not worry. We will finally get to see how our Abrams Main Battle Tank holds up under state of the art airstrikes—because, ISIS now has 10 of those suckers and 100 more Humvees! << lol

01:48:13 trinque: BingoBoingo: I can see an angle on the entire middle eastern expedition right there

01:48:57 trinque: permanent training ground and excuse to expend (and replace!) equipment

01:49:56 BingoBoingo: trinque: Also, practice for Texas treaty secession

01:50:05 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

01:50:08 trinque: lol

01:50:38 trinque: yeah, I can see that point too

01:52:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38126 @ 0.0004248 = 16.1959 BTC [-] {2}

01:53:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95774 @ 0.00041823 = 40.0556 BTC [-] {3}

02:12:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00042852 = 12.3842 BTC [+]

02:21:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00041729 = 14.9181 BTC [-]

02:29:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00041241 = 19.5482 BTC [-] {2}

02:38:51 mircea_popescu: aaannnnd in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0954fb8bce8dbda84c8979f18e581cfe/tumblr_nptqm20yoj1uojgsco1_1280.jpg

02:38:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GgVFds )

02:41:42 BingoBoingo: Those are some small balls

02:43:25 mircea_popescu: lol i guess so huh

02:44:15 cazalla: mebe he was in the pool

02:45:10 mats: https://fairygodboss.com

02:45:14 assbot: Company reviews by women, for women | Fairygodboss ... ( http://bit.ly/1GgWC5o )

02:46:45 mircea_popescu: trinque> knew NaCL was going to be activex-google-edition << word.

02:49:06 mircea_popescu: "the nihilist ISIS Islamist horror show" heh. some kids not giving a shit about these kids circlejerk does not actually enact them into some sort of objective absolute.

02:49:21 mircea_popescu: they're simply some kids that don't give a shit about a particular set of conventional nonsense

02:50:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00043205 = 11.1253 BTC [+] {2}

02:51:15 mircea_popescu: anyway, to take a page out of alf's book, "we will know terminal decline stage by this sign, that ivy-limp bureaucrats will organise tranny beheading parties and then gather the heads in a sack and take them to isis, as a ritual sacrifice. much to everyone's confusion and wtf in that camp."

02:51:44 BingoBoingo: ;;google dolezal

02:51:45 gribble: Rachel Dolezal's brother: She's 'making up more lies' - CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/17/us/washington-rachel-dolezal-naacp/index.html?eref=rss_topstories; Rachel Dolezal, ex-NAACP leader: 'I identify as black' - CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/us/washington-rachel-dolezal-naacp/; Rachel Dolezal's brother, author Joshua Dolezal, faces trial for ...: (1 more message)

02:52:18 BingoBoingo: Apparently the Clarence Thomas fellow can be trans-white, but this blonde chick can't be trans-black

02:52:37 trinque: ahahaha

02:53:03 *: BingoBoingo making good progress on my efforts to be trans-mexican.

02:53:13 trinque: I'm a goddamn steamboat

02:53:16 trinque: why not?

02:53:22 BingoBoingo: !b 5

02:53:23 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1J316ES.txt )

02:53:36 BingoBoingo: Fuck you Imma Dragon

02:54:36 trinque: lol

02:55:04 trinque: what wonders will "I identify as" bring next

02:55:05 BingoBoingo: Not really, but did "La Bamba" during Saturday night karaoke and rando polo wearing ham asked me if I did yard work. Fucker was purpised when I started offering prices.

02:55:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90500 @ 0.00044975 = 40.7024 BTC [+] {2}

03:14:56 cazalla: woot woot, the courier delivered my 2 x white shahtoot mulberry.. first time ordering plants online, preddy impressed tbh, arrive safe and sound

03:17:41 decimation: asciilifeform: note that susan rice is also part of the 'rice cameron family foundation'

03:19:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67641 @ 0.00044978 = 30.4236 BTC [+] {2}

03:32:09 asciilifeform: not one of those buggers depends on honest (or otherwise) ~work~ for a living.

03:35:46 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167008 << i fired a (rented) 'taurus' '45 at a firing range. it had parts clearly cast from shitmetal.

03:35:46 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 00:35:22; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i suspect the usg policy against private small arms has finally found the chokehold : drive the manufacturers out of business. << Most of the good "Colt" designs are now made better by others. Argentinas Taurus is one.

03:36:12 asciilifeform: not even certain the hammer was 100% steel

03:38:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Like everything else sold in 'Murican Market actual product costs substantial premium over given product.

03:38:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the existence of pistols with 'zamac' moving parts blew my mind

03:38:58 asciilifeform: can't wait for the zamac barrels

03:39:04 asciilifeform: ('3d printed!!111!1')

03:39:08 BingoBoingo: lol

03:39:26 BingoBoingo: Thankfully .45 ACP generates relatively low pressures

03:39:32 asciilifeform: betcha clay would work better.

03:39:51 asciilifeform: (pottery: the original 3d print!)

03:39:53 BingoBoingo: Now clay is a material with wildly inconsistent properties

03:41:21 decimation: that Al lower receiver looked pretty solid

03:41:23 BingoBoingo: For the record I am under the impression Kimber and "Springfield Armory" are the leaders in Model 1911 production with Taurus leading the M-92 production

03:41:29 asciilifeform: decimation: not a pressurized part

03:41:36 asciilifeform: can make from cardboard if you want.

03:41:44 decimation: no, one would need to buy good quality upper and barrel

03:42:01 asciilifeform: well yes. but the lower thing only holds a few springs and the mag

03:42:27 BingoBoingo: Taurus also by its subsidiary Rossi seems to be dominating the lever action rifle market as well

03:42:38 decimation: I imagine the accuracy of the rifle might be affected by cardboard trigger pull :)

03:42:53 asciilifeform: (the upper half of that rifle, on account of some peculiar usg archaicism, is sold openly)

03:43:13 decimation: I wonder if you can also craft a suppressor yourself, to make the thing civilized?

03:43:17 asciilifeform: does one, strictly speaking, even need the lower to fire the rifle ?

03:43:26 asciilifeform: or can you shoot it 'by hand' like you could the old lugers ?

03:43:35 decimation: something needs to hold the trigger group together

03:43:46 asciilifeform: can you simply whack the pin by hand ?

03:43:48 decimation: my understanding of m-4 is that the lower does this

03:43:49 decimation: heh

03:43:57 decimation: well, can put .22 in a pipe too

03:44:04 BingoBoingo: <decimation> I wonder if you can also craft a suppressor yourself, to make the thing civilized? << paladin press torrent will yeild a bounty on this subject

03:44:04 decimation: this is why 'banning guns' is silly

03:44:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not 'high tech'

03:44:44 asciilifeform: (no more so than the one on your car)

03:44:47 BingoBoingo: <decimation> well, can put .22 in a pipe too << 12 ga better "pipe" caliber candidate

03:45:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course not. Few good things are "high tech"

03:45:10 asciilifeform: i believe traditional american 'zip gun' is a '12ga'

03:45:31 asciilifeform: specifically on account of matching the 'calibers' found in a typical plumbing goods shop

03:45:44 BingoBoingo: Traditional zip gun is .22 or .25 caliber, but... if choosing off the shelf pipes why not go big?

03:46:02 asciilifeform: harlan ellison described his years as teenaged scum with some detail re: this weapon

03:46:25 asciilifeform: i can't recall the precise details. anyone who needs this - straight to him.

03:47:32 decimation: apparently you can craft your own suppressor if you pay USG $200

03:48:12 decimation: under fdr-era gun law

03:49:08 BingoBoingo: decimation: In Missouri, Montana, and select rebel territories such tribute is unecessary if manufactered in state

03:53:52 decimation: I don't think so

03:53:59 decimation: it's a federal law

03:54:57 decimation: some states won't let you have them even if they are registered

03:55:15 decimation: apparently in Washington state you can own, but not use

03:55:43 decimation: anti-gun nuts love to make guns louder, so they annoy people on nuisance grounds

03:57:12 BingoBoingo: decimation: it is a grey area open to continuing litigation which is why the states in question pushed this kind of federal premption stuff forward, to keep the lawyers in an other than nekkid state

03:57:22 BingoBoingo: "job creation" and all

03:57:42 BingoBoingo: So what if Billy Bob does 10 years in Marion

04:00:05 mats: Billy Bob Thornton is one creepy dude

04:01:02 decimation: mmm hmm

04:01:51 decimation: actually if there's hope for the us, it seems to be with the states

04:01:55 BingoBoingo: Around these parts he would be white tie formal

04:02:13 decimation: apparently colorado and others can just preempt federal law if they feel like it, and the feds are 'unable' to do anything

04:02:25 mats: whats that you're referring to

04:02:32 decimation: the whole pot thing

04:02:55 decimation: if you are gonna waste your time on us politics, the most effective use would be state plebecites

04:03:02 mats: o, 'federalism when convenient'

04:03:23 decimation: mats: yeah but it kinda demonstrated that the feds are a paper tiger

04:03:29 mats: feds are still busy fucking the state

04:03:39 mats: mmj dispensaries cannot deposit funds into national anks

04:03:45 decimation: as long as the 'reform' you want is popular, the fed's hands are tied to a degree

04:04:02 mats: makes them an easy target for unscrupulous opportunists

04:04:11 decimation: mats: so vote on state law preempting federal bank regulation

04:04:23 mats: that works until scotus tells you to fuck off

04:04:39 decimation: yeah but here's the thing, the feds don't want to go to scotus

04:04:43 decimation: in case they lose

04:05:02 decimation: that's why they didn't take colorado to court, for instance

04:05:12 mats: i think i'll have to bone up on my case law for this conversation

04:05:45 decimation: please do. if we can get someone to author anti kyc/aml regulation in some state it would be a huge win for bitcoin

04:06:34 decimation: this whole hastert affair still pisses me off. imagine if a state voted to make it illegal for a bank to report your cash transaction to the feds

04:06:53 mats: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/17/us/charleston-south-carolina-shooting

04:06:53 assbot: Charleston church shooting: Multiple deaths reported - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bp7Xoe )

04:07:37 decimation: oh lordy, white man shootin' black people. gonna be trayvon all over again

04:10:54 BingoBoingo: "clean-shaven white man" << So much suspicion avoided by keeping a beard

04:12:28 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Now clay is a material with wildly inconsistent properties << the difference between properly fired fine clay and the bizarre ceramic-like metal replacement the chinese use is slight.

04:12:39 mircea_popescu: (break a "solid metal" chinese item - see the porous microstructure)

04:13:25 asciilifeform: ^ zamac

04:13:31 BingoBoingo: "fine clay" << /me mostly considers lical jungle clay of which there is an abundance.

04:14:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167211 << not so simple. gotta get fingerprinted, filed in triplicate, and letter of permission from local sheriff (automatic in some states, a definite 'never' in others) plus subject to random inspections.

04:14:16 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 03:47:32; decimation: apparently you can craft your own suppressor if you pay USG $200

04:15:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought zamac is actually an alloy not a carbide

04:15:44 decimation: asciilifeform: some forums I read suggest that they can't inspect your weapon (without a warrant), just the tax stamp

04:15:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alloy. but shows the property described here.

04:16:01 decimation: asciilifeform: in maryland I suspect the answer is always no

04:16:12 decimation: unless you are friends with the governor or whatever

04:25:26 BingoBoingo: Pistola http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1139&pr=0

04:25:27 assbot: JL: The Stop Gap Tank ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4X7oT )

04:32:47 decimation: lol "Other useless features were pistol ports (in the middle of a tank battle I am going to throw my 1911.45 cal handgun into the mix!),"

04:33:05 decimation: imma shoot you with my pistol! pew pew!

04:33:09 decimation: ;;lasers

04:33:09 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

04:33:24 asciilifeform: late-model t-34 had them

04:33:28 asciilifeform: they aren't for 'tank battle'

04:33:36 asciilifeform: but for keeping infantry off your back

04:33:49 asciilifeform: (if the coaxial guns jam, presumably)

04:33:54 decimation: sure, but what about .50 cal on top

04:34:24 decimation: at any rate, if a competent infantryman gets close enough to be killed by pistol - you are already dead

04:35:04 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust

04:35:04 assbot: Panzerfaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4YJ1T )

04:35:17 asciilifeform: could have had 'psychological' reason for the ports, such as preventing crew from leaving machine prematurely

04:35:52 decimation: yeah, anything to make them think they aren't gonna die in a fire or hail of metal shards

04:37:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.0004424 = 26.721 BTC [-]

04:37:58 decimation: although I guess the early panzerfausts only had a 30m range!

04:38:31 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeb3ZLb-wJ4 << obligatory. transl. of ultra-famous ru song on subject.

04:38:32 assbot: На поле танки грохотали (English Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4ZpUT )

04:38:34 decimation: this means the most obvious anti-tank move for infantry is the traditional one - ambush

04:39:51 mircea_popescu: !up lobbes

04:39:53 mircea_popescu: !up lobbesbot

04:40:00 lobbes: !rate lobbesbot 1 tis my bot

04:40:00 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ae0fc5d760af1a15

04:40:05 lobbes: excellent

04:40:14 asciilifeform: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters << my favourite historic anti-tank weapon

04:40:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4ZIzh )

04:40:34 mircea_popescu: decimation the problem those ports were probably trying to address is not "middle of tank battle" but "tank got ambushed by infantry"

04:40:50 mircea_popescu: small caliber not such a bad idea. bb sprayer even better, of course.

04:40:58 asciilifeform: didntijustsaythis

04:41:03 mircea_popescu: oh nm, lol.

04:41:09 asciilifeform: btw ru sop was to stick 'ppsh' through the hole

04:41:22 asciilifeform: (for those unfamiliar, approximately 'tommygun')

04:41:50 decimation: yeah, but if ambush is done right - not much chance to shoot back

04:42:06 decimation: not like infantryman is plinking your shit with his luger

04:42:16 lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.lobbesbot.1:8563e8638d7c36011d64878ef0c573fd68e225b2e10143bcf181008d5da4205d

04:42:16 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for lobbesbot with note: tis my bot

04:42:21 mircea_popescu: the "ambush done right" is this thing still awaiting embodiement irl.

04:44:01 decimation: asciilifeform: lol the infantry equiv. of a kamakaze raid

04:44:41 asciilifeform: banzai!!

04:44:50 mats: ...lol

04:45:41 decimation: one wonders if that if the jap could get close enough to hide in bushes - why not bury actual anti-tank mine?

04:45:53 asciilifeform: mines can't run.

04:46:02 asciilifeform: (or scream 'banzai!')

04:47:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79559 @ 0.00044982 = 35.7872 BTC [+]

04:47:42 mats: i hear the japanese are pretty good at baseball

04:47:54 mats: grenades for the port?

04:48:09 asciilifeform: mats: afaik it's 100% post-occupation thing

04:48:18 mats: am joking

04:48:31 decimation: mats: they could toss those magnetic mines, seems much more practical

04:49:05 decimation: lol but apparently it too was impact-triggered

04:49:22 decimation: poor sops in wwii didn't have a proper timer for anything

04:49:26 asciilifeform: decimation: netting existed in ww2

04:49:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00044648 = 26.9227 BTC [-]

04:50:20 decimation: anti-tank netting?

04:50:31 asciilifeform: anti-grenade netting

04:50:35 decimation: ah

04:51:58 decimation: modern equiv is that 'slat fence' armor

04:56:12 decimation: asciilifeform: have you even done 'alsa' programming?

04:56:15 decimation: it's a shit api

04:56:24 asciilifeform: no and i don't intend to..

04:56:44 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167023 << i've stopped clicking since these apparently began including cock

04:56:44 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 00:39:50; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a0b21db7f61f3860f5eac1b1e51afd35/tumblr_nq3kdrsamT1sgfmbuo2_500.jpg

04:57:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178432 @ 0.00044636 = 79.6449 BTC [-] {2}

04:58:59 BingoBoingo: mats: Last "World Baseball Classic" the japs were knocked out by the Netherlands to my great profit.

04:59:43 mats: can confirm there is no cock in that one

05:00:08 *: asciilifeform actually surprised

05:00:23 mats: BingoBoingo: who usually wins these things?

05:00:40 mats: i mean, besides presumably USA

05:01:35 BingoBoingo: mats: Up until 2013 the Japs. Problem is the Japs have such a toxic culture towards starting pitchers. 2013 Dominican Republic won. Semifinal Part of the USA (Puerto Rico) beat the rest of USA

05:02:32 mats: ic

05:04:07 BingoBoingo: Latin American hitting is the best. Japanesep pitching technique is great. Just Japanese coaching techniques destroys arms.

05:06:29 ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html << ah it warms my heart. as an aside, is theshooping in the message protocol actually necessary for anything?

05:06:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5l3tQ )

05:14:33 ben_vulpes: (ip passing, i mean to say)

05:17:38 mod6: hanbot: I finally have a guide you can follow for an amd64 (x86-64) Gentoo install on physical hardware. This guide is actually part A (just the commands & notes) and part B (with examples from my own install process). trinque & I have both tested this independantly, and the steps got us to a working install. Hopefully you'll get the same result! You should probably just read through both before actually doing anything. Here are the URL's to

05:19:07 mod6: Thanks for the help!

05:19:17 mats: where da URLs at

05:19:33 mod6: Did it cut them off from my message?

05:19:37 *: mod6 looks at the log

05:20:01 mod6: Ah yeah it did. Ok, one sec:

05:20:26 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide.txt

05:20:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5lLak )

05:20:32 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt

05:20:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5lLqN )

05:21:02 mod6: Upon further successful testing of these guides, they'll be submitted to the mailing list, etc.

05:23:48 mod6: hanbot: anyway, thanks again, let me know if you have any questions.

05:24:12 mod6: (others are welcome to test these as well, ofc)

05:28:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148228 @ 0.0004442 = 65.8429 BTC [-]

05:39:39 hanbot: mod6 wunderbar! will be sure to pester as/if necessary. looks about a couple orders of magnitude slimmer than handbook at first glance, exciting

05:41:21 *: BingoBoingo confesses, my attraction to OpenBSD is for the easy configuration and handholding

05:41:55 BingoBoingo: !up diana_coman

05:42:09 BingoBoingo: !up Bi0

05:42:25 BingoBoingo: !up _biO_

05:42:33 BingoBoingo: !up chalbersma

05:42:51 chalbersma: What's up?

05:43:22 _biO_: > BingoBoingo !up Bi0

05:43:22 BingoBoingo: Not to much, saw you joined figured I'd offer voice.

05:43:25 _biO_: i find that offensive

05:44:00 BingoBoingo: _biO_: Nigga/Bitch/WHitey Plase

05:44:32 _biO_: just kidding, bimbobongo

05:44:59 BingoBoingo: Hey, i am transMehican, respect my lawn

05:47:14 *: BingoBoingo going to check my lawn and make sure it is coon free

05:52:11 BingoBoingo: Yup coon free yard

05:52:55 danielpbarron: ;;later tell ahmed_ you should spend that litcoin to a different address; I sent you the private key over plain text

05:52:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:55:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47987 @ 0.0004438 = 21.2966 BTC [-] {2}

06:00:31 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: what kind of braindamage are youdealing with oday?

06:01:04 danielpbarron: i had a Litecoin "paper wallet" and wanted to sell into the price surge yesterday

06:01:19 danielpbarron: and couldn't find any web wallet or any service that would import a private key

06:05:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.0004442 = 2.5097 BTC [+]

06:07:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.0004442 = 10.5942 BTC [+]

06:22:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you shower ?

06:34:51 danielpbarron: >> The coinbase transaction in block zero cannot be spent. This is due to a quirk of the reference client implementation that would open the potential for a block chain fork if some nodes accepted the spend and others did not

06:36:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.00044201 = 23.7359 BTC [-] {2}

06:44:08 danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)

06:44:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.0004442 = 20.0334 BTC [+]

06:49:15 copypaste: interesting, cazalla

06:50:18 funkenstein_: BTCBanana: funkenstein, hahah why you invested in a tech you don't understand go read the book by andreas

06:52:48 danielpbarron: >> All three problems are triggering real user complaints for the Android "Bitcoin Wallet" app which implements SPV mode. In order to make chain synchronization fast, cheap and able to run on older phones with limited memory we want to have remote peers throw away irrelevant transactions before sending them across the network.

06:53:10 danielpbarron: https://archive.is/BzqNQ#selection-933.318-933.643

06:53:12 assbot: bips/bip-0037.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlRhuU )

06:55:45 funkenstein_: hmm, not much proofreading there eh?

06:58:32 danielpbarron: they were for keeping things small before they were against it, because it was triggering SPVs

07:01:18 danielpbarron: the other quotes were from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166912

07:01:18 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 23:28:48; ascii_field: shinohai: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation#version

07:05:21 danielpbarron: would reject a block as valid that spent the block zero coin base? would "XT" do the opposite?

07:05:53 funkenstein_: ??

07:06:11 danielpbarron: er.. accept a block as valid or reject it

07:06:50 felipelalli: This news is sooo Qntra.net: http://g1.globo.com/mato-grosso/noticia/2015/06/idoso-de-sp-e-preso-em-mt-com-mais-de-20-barras-de-ouro-em-mochila.html (an old man was arrested just to transport gold in Brazil, lol)

07:06:53 assbot: G1 - Idoso de SP é preso em MT com mais de 20 barras de ouro em mochila - notícias em Mato Grosso ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5qUiI )

07:07:26 funkenstein_: nobody suggests to accept blocks that spend new coinbases, if that's your question

07:07:51 danielpbarron: apparently the first coin base "can't be spent"

07:09:09 funkenstein_: oh you mean genesis, yeah

07:09:26 danielpbarron: does this mean there are not actually 21 million coins

07:09:45 funkenstein_: well a lot more than that are inaccessible

07:10:20 funkenstein_: unknown number of lost keys

07:10:22 danielpbarron: right but they /could/ be spent if not for the lost data

07:10:26 funkenstein_: true

07:11:41 funkenstein_: so yeah, 20,999,950 theoretically spendable by 2130 or whenever

07:12:29 danielpbarron: and the unix timestamp thing is a good example of when to hard fork

07:12:54 danielpbarron: unless it can roll over without invalidating things

07:16:38 funkenstein_: it would be cool to reference genesis block as t=0 at that point

07:17:21 danielpbarron: can't do that. the timestamp is part of what makes a block valid

07:17:42 funkenstein_: though people probably prefer sticking with Jan 1 1970

07:19:23 funkenstein_: timestamp could be "secons since last difficulty change" too, it doesn't really matter

07:20:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49497 @ 0.00043653 = 21.6069 BTC [-] {2}

07:21:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16803 @ 0.00043152 = 7.2508 BTC [-]

07:21:21 danielpbarron: >> Only the bitcoin releases 0.1.0 up to 0.1.5 which supported only Windows 2000 / Windows NT and Windows XP (perhaps Windows Vista). The next bitcoin release 0.2.0 from Dec 2009, nearly a year later, starts to support Linux and the community got more and more actively involved in the development.

07:21:47 danielpbarron: https://archive.is/1G9lX#selection-107.0-111.56

07:21:47 assbot: Original Bitcoin client - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5rWey )

07:22:40 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-06-2015#1165193

07:22:40 assbot: Logged on 16-06-2015 18:27:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164801 << ford went to work in a horsedrawn buggy for most of his life too.

07:27:17 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 266 @ 0.00466944 = 1.2421 BTC [-] {3}

07:38:21 cazalla: felipelalli, if you're keen feel free to write it up yourself, i don't imagine BingoBoingo or mp would take issue with that

07:40:22 felipelalli: cazalla: thank you to encourage me!

07:54:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.0004397 = 14.7739 BTC [+]

08:02:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106100 @ 0.00044673 = 47.3981 BTC [+] {3}

08:13:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00045158 = 23.8886 BTC [+] {3}

08:21:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40427 @ 0.00045652 = 18.4557 BTC [+] {2}

08:31:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00046031 = 12.1292 BTC [+] {2}

08:38:51 shinohai: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/goldman-sachs-introduces-curfews-for-interns--they-must-go-home-by-midnight-10327770.html

08:38:51 assbot: Goldman Sachs introduces curfews for interns – they must go home by midnight - Business News - Business - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fo5kOu )

08:44:02 davout: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3TE0E59.txt

08:44:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fo5PrR )

08:44:04 deedbot-: accepted: 1

08:47:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00046037 = 7.527 BTC [+]

08:53:13 davout: trinque: deedbot feature request, "View deeds by user X" on deedbot.org

08:56:47 davout: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/332V4FF.txt

08:56:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1TZeg )

08:56:49 deedbot-: accepted: 1

09:12:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20332 @ 0.00045891 = 9.3306 BTC [-]

09:17:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11454 @ 0.00044501 = 5.0971 BTC [-] {2}

09:32:12 punkman: http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ these guys are rewriting wikipedia

09:32:13 assbot: Info:Main Page - New World Encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWA67y )

09:33:18 punkman: hmm I guess it's not new, first time google spits it out at the top for me though

09:43:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00046197 = 15.1064 BTC [+] {3}

10:11:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00044998 = 22.1615 BTC [-]

10:19:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00045082 = 11.8566 BTC [+] {2}

10:48:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35350 @ 0.00044881 = 15.8654 BTC [-]

11:00:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37624 @ 0.00045051 = 16.95 BTC [+] {2}

11:09:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42780 @ 0.00043757 = 18.7192 BTC [-] {2}

11:34:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22926 @ 0.00045199 = 10.3623 BTC [+]

11:35:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00046471 = 17.4963 BTC [+]

11:39:47 kakobrekla: http://airbusdefenceandspace.com/newsroom/news-and-features/airbus-defence-and-space-selected-to-partner-in-production-of-oneweb-satellite-constellation/

11:39:48 assbot: Airbus Defence and Space Selected to Partner in Production of OneWeb Satellite Constellation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gulqu5 )

11:41:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43155 @ 0.00046351 = 20.0028 BTC [-] {2}

11:42:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23895 @ 0.00046578 = 11.1298 BTC [+] {2}

11:48:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30047 @ 0.00045697 = 13.7306 BTC [-]

12:05:00 pete_dushenski: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qfA2j300TN85O3DBm1bWC1-TFkq24M3Qp24YfKE5K7A/edit << anatomy of a string-along-scammer by adam_obrien

12:05:01 assbot: Robocon - an 18 month robocoin experience. $25k later, no machine - Google Docs ... ( http://bit.ly/1GumPRo )

12:05:11 pete_dushenski: !s jordan kelley

12:05:12 assbot: 0 results for 'jordan kelley' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jordan+kelley

12:05:18 pete_dushenski: fo realz ?

12:05:59 pete_dushenski: well, he's the robocoin 'bitcoin atm' dude

12:06:45 pete_dushenski: made a big splash, first in vancouver, about 1.5 years ago.

12:08:54 pete_dushenski: shock, awe, kelley is basically 'bfl' for 'atms'

12:10:59 pete_dushenski: in other news, i finally installed openbsd on my edgerouter !

12:11:28 pete_dushenski: it took ubuntu to make it happen, which i hadn't used before

12:11:37 pete_dushenski: 14.04 or something

12:11:53 pete_dushenski: couldn't believe how much it *looked* like osx

12:12:10 pete_dushenski: just... less smooth in operation

12:18:59 pete_dushenski: http://hypecurioso.com/explorador-descobre-os-restos-tristes-do-programa-espacial-sovietico/ << the size and scale of the space shuttle in these pictures, representing the combined and concerted efforts of thousands of the world's best minds, is an engineering feat that's more than a bit moving.

12:19:00 assbot: Explorador descobre os restos tristes do programa espacial soviético ... ( http://bit.ly/1GunG4x )

12:19:22 pete_dushenski: everything's just so beautifully fit for use.

12:22:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00046518 = 14.5136 BTC [+]

12:23:18 pete_dushenski: ^soyuz at baikonur cosmodrome in kazakhstan, ftr

12:25:09 pete_dushenski: sorry, 'buran', not soyuz

12:26:02 pete_dushenski: not to be confused with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2015#1012536

12:26:02 assbot: Logged on 08-02-2015 05:55:37; asciilifeform: to a lesser extent also famous are other vintage home appliances, like 'buran' vacuum cleaner - http://kartmen.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/20131126_162658.jpg

12:28:35 pete_dushenski: "When faced with the requirement to make a 200mt thrust LOX/LH2 engine, in tandem with reusability, the Soviets decided to ditch the reusable requirement."

12:28:47 pete_dushenski: "The end result was a powerhouse known as the Energia LV – which used four strap-on boosters, each powered by a four-chamber RD-170 engine burning with kerosene/LOX, and a central core stage with four single-chamber RD-0120 (11D122) engines fueled with liquid hydrogen/LOX"

12:31:41 pete_dushenski: "The immense power of the Energia provided a capacity to place about 100 tonnes in Low Earth Orbit (LEO), up to 20 t to the geostationary orbit (GEO) and up to 32 t to a translunar trajectory."

12:32:10 pete_dushenski: "Buran hitched the ride to space on the side of the Energia, only using her own two engines – the equivalent of the shuttle’s Orbital Maneuvering System (OMS) using GOX/Kerosene propellant – for a 66.7 m/s burn to reach a final the orbit of 251 km x 263 km."

12:32:21 pete_dushenski: ^for the rocketistas.

12:52:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5316 @ 0.00046258 = 2.4591 BTC [-]

12:57:42 pete_dushenski: !up referredbyloper

12:57:47 pete_dushenski: howdy

12:58:45 mircea_popescu: how goes

12:59:37 pete_dushenski: up at the crack of dawn this morn, thought it was 8am, it was 5:30

12:59:51 mircea_popescu: so lick her out.

13:00:17 pete_dushenski: is that even kosher ?

13:00:22 pete_dushenski: i kid, i kid.

13:00:30 pete_dushenski: though i did once wonder this.

13:00:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116400 @ 0.00046254 = 53.8397 BTC [-] {2}

13:01:09 mircea_popescu: cunt is kosher afaik.

13:01:26 pete_dushenski: myup.

13:01:50 pete_dushenski: but not if there's hare.

13:08:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00046037 = 12.384 BTC [-] {2}

13:16:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88401 @ 0.00045697 = 40.3966 BTC [-]

13:17:02 mod6: <+hanbot> mod6 wunderbar! will be sure to pester as/if necessary. looks about a couple orders of magnitude slimmer than handbook at first glance, exciting << ah thx! yeah, just let me know if you run into any problems/questions.

13:19:11 jurov: gotta try it too

13:29:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167372 << with water.

13:29:03 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:22:46; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you shower ?

13:29:13 asciilifeform: or did i misunderstand this question

13:29:23 mircea_popescu: but there is a penis ?

13:29:36 asciilifeform: it doesn't unscrew, no

13:31:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00046459 = 30.4771 BTC [+] {3}

13:31:32 mircea_popescu: how is this resolved ?

13:32:06 asciilifeform: the original observation was about the 'susprises' in the pr0n links, rather than penii per se

13:32:24 asciilifeform: *surprise

13:32:41 asciilifeform: sorta like, i have nothing against auto tyres, and in fact own five, but i don't want one for dinner

13:33:11 mircea_popescu: but the value of pornography is novelty rather than function

13:33:15 asciilifeform: and picture if you were served a hot, steaming tyre instead of, e.g., pie

13:33:16 mircea_popescu: you don't actually fuck the screen

13:33:47 mircea_popescu: and also, i am writing like the best article ever.

13:34:04 asciilifeform: i personally swing in the direction where everything on the screen has to be recognizably woman

13:34:16 asciilifeform: but that's just me.

13:35:43 *: asciilifeform doesn't actually spend much time with pr0n, now or historically - for approximately same reason why he doesn't look at pictures of food

13:37:23 mircea_popescu: i thought you ordered everything online.

13:37:35 mircea_popescu: text listings ? "try our delicious lasagna"

13:37:42 asciilifeform: not food

13:37:58 asciilifeform: probably don't even want to contemplate what 'online food' gets you here.

13:38:10 mircea_popescu: didn't you link some pics of soviet food and declare they made you drool a little ago ?

13:38:18 asciilifeform: aha. those - yes

13:38:28 mircea_popescu: so you do actually look at pictures of food.

13:38:38 mircea_popescu: all hail me, the grand lord inquisitioner.

13:38:44 asciilifeform: and at pr0n also. when encountered in the wild, linked

13:38:48 asciilifeform: but won't go out to look for it

13:39:05 asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.

13:39:12 mircea_popescu: myeah.

13:41:00 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167369 << litecoind is no harder to set up than bitcoind

13:41:00 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:01:19; danielpbarron: and couldn't find any web wallet or any service that would import a private key

13:41:54 asciilifeform: incidentally, has anyone bothered to study litecoin sources and note, e.g., whether it 'gavinized' in the wake of bitcoin, and how ?

13:42:07 asciilifeform: what is it like, internally

13:42:20 asciilifeform: i personally can't be arsed to do this

13:42:28 mircea_popescu: worse.

13:42:35 mircea_popescu: and since inception

13:42:35 shinohai: Nearly all coins from the shitclone era connect to that same irc server

13:42:51 punkman: they still merge from bitcoin source

13:43:07 asciilifeform: well yes, 'worse since inception' in the documented ways

13:43:22 asciilifeform: punkman: aha!

13:43:46 asciilifeform: punkman: so did it abandon proper verification? does it 'header-first' ?

13:43:48 wyrdmantis: FYI: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bitcoin.devel/8377/focus=8382

13:43:48 assbot: Gmane Loom ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6TAlc )

13:44:51 asciilifeform: ^ this lulzatron has been going for at least a week. hearn openly advocates 'gavin for fuhrer' notion

13:45:41 mircea_popescu: and why wouldn't he.

13:45:48 punkman: asciilifeform: they seem to be merging bitcoin 0.10 so I'm guessing yes

13:46:15 asciilifeform: very convenient that the idiot fork is breathing its last just as therealbitcoin is approaching something like usable status

13:47:18 asciilifeform: (re: the latter: once dns is out, and import/export-privkey are in, i will be moving my personal nodes to therealbitcoin...)

13:48:03 mircea_popescu: reasonabru

13:48:58 pete_dushenski: http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/jack-m-mintz-albertas-bad-plays << o hey mintz reads contravex whowouldathunkit

13:48:59 assbot: Jack M. Mintz: Alberta’s bad plays | Financial Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6UM88 )

13:49:01 asciilifeform: gavin: sits in car, makes motions, 'vroom, vroom' hearn: 'steal it already'

13:49:38 pete_dushenski: gavin: 'but this is more fun!'

13:49:46 mircea_popescu: lmao

13:49:49 mircea_popescu: !b 3

13:49:49 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0A1PD54.txt )

13:50:11 pete_dushenski: :)

13:51:02 pete_dushenski: !up adam_obrien

13:51:12 pete_dushenski: hey man !

13:51:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36649 @ 0.00046842 = 17.1671 BTC [+] {2}

13:52:42 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167508 << porn's really more like recipes than food

13:52:42 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:35:43; *: asciilifeform doesn't actually spend much time with pr0n, now or historically - for approximately same reason why he doesn't look at pictures of food

13:52:52 adam_obrien: Thanks @pete_dushenski

13:53:10 mircea_popescu: anyway, porn has at least the very important social function that it models female behaviour.

13:53:17 asciilifeform: it does ?!!

13:53:31 mircea_popescu: or, more properly stated : that it offers a usable, cheap counterbalance to the female community behaviour.

13:53:39 asciilifeform: this - sure

13:53:47 mircea_popescu: that thing where they gang together to try and force the male hand.

13:53:48 pete_dushenski: adam_obrien: np, and no need to use '@' ;)

13:54:30 adam_obrien: Haha - still getting used to IRC over Twitter!! AUA on reddit with Robocoin operators at 1pm EST if anyone here is interested.

13:54:57 mircea_popescu: adam_obrien the correct way to use this is exactly backwards : tell would be whoevers on twitter to get into the wot.

13:55:00 *: wyrdmantis prepares popcorn

13:55:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32143 @ 0.00044619 = 14.3419 BTC [-]

13:55:48 mircea_popescu: the interest, here or anywhere, for the deeds of anyone pretending to be in cryptocurrency who doesn't meet the minimum bar of competency for that field is not unlike the interest we show scientists that can't add. "will there be nudity ?"

13:56:42 pete_dushenski: 1, 2, 3, 4... nudity !

13:58:08 *: pete_dushenski recalls bus ad for 'did you know that 1/5 people has genital herpes ?' as a young man, teasing 5th kid in line that he was it. because math.

13:58:42 mircea_popescu: such idiocy those ads.

13:58:44 pete_dushenski: something along the lines of '1, 2, 3, 4, jacob has genital herpes !'

13:58:56 asciilifeform: l0l and what of all the folks with arm and leg herpes

13:59:03 asciilifeform: they get no press

13:59:14 mircea_popescu: i dunno why epidemiology is so hard to follow, but let's add two and two together. two one : the virus is not a new introduction. two two : the virus is stable aroun 16-18% infections.

13:59:17 mircea_popescu: what does this mean ?

13:59:22 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: because porn

13:59:59 mircea_popescu: a) that infection is unrelated to exposure in any form ; b) that "fighting" pointless "battles" is the best way to waste public money in relative personal safety ; c) canada is broadly iliterate

14:00:44 pete_dushenski: damn, adam_obrien just left... was going to ask what 'aua' is as opposed to 'ama', and if it's 'us', who that includes. ah well.

14:01:06 mircea_popescu: if you think about it, most newly introduced (ie, no equilibrium reached yet) infections go from 16% to 100% in two days

14:01:31 asciilifeform: a) isn't quite a complete description. in the folks having the particular immune quirk which lets the thing blow up into red skin etc., exposure can plant it down in new places (thing lives in nearest nerve)

14:01:37 mircea_popescu: if it's been 16% for a week, you don't get it by fucking herpetic whores bareback, you get it from being genetically broken in that way

14:02:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.

14:03:56 asciilifeform: my understanding is that a sufferer of, e.g., mouth herpes, could actually infect himself with penile herpes if he were sufficiently.. flexible

14:04:37 pete_dushenski: flexible, or like the mythical marilyn manson, missing lower ribs

14:04:54 mircea_popescu: except pretty much everyone can be made to develop mouth herpes by stressing the liver in a particular manner

14:04:55 pete_dushenski: an 'urban myth

14:05:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the liver to do with it ?

14:05:29 mircea_popescu: i imagine some precursor protein for the supression ?

14:05:44 asciilifeform: and why mouth ?

14:05:57 mircea_popescu: cause for some reason it's where it mostly manifests, esp in young people.

14:08:13 pete_dushenski: probably like infected ant who crawls to top of plant to be eaten by herbivore

14:08:15 mircea_popescu: even leaving aside the "we've arbitrarily divided this virus up into 3 no wait 7 no wait 16 no wait nm groups", the notion that "i don't have herpes" is to be translated as "i read very little and understand even less".

14:08:30 pete_dushenski: mouth is where the contact is with potential hosts

14:08:37 mircea_popescu: this is possible.

14:08:50 asciilifeform: my understanding is that this virus does not lodge very far from original contact.

14:09:24 mircea_popescu: it's not too well understood what it does. but trivially : you don't have monolaterality in observed cases

14:09:33 mircea_popescu: (ie, there's no "upper lip left side" herpes)

14:10:04 mircea_popescu: if you look at the nerves, there's really very little contact / very good separation between the strands

14:10:21 mircea_popescu: so how does it jump from the right to the left trigeminus ?

14:10:22 asciilifeform: aha. like cabling.

14:10:26 mircea_popescu: aha.

14:11:57 pete_dushenski: so infection starts monolaterally and spreads within host (via saliva) to become bilateral ?

14:12:10 pete_dushenski: sounds reasonable.

14:12:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, re the liver stressing ; herpes C generates liver disease all the way to cirhosis.

14:12:27 mircea_popescu: but in 80% ish of alcoholics and in 3% ish of normal people.

14:12:30 mircea_popescu: how about that!

14:12:52 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski your saliva is eventually shat out, but little arse herpes described.

14:13:30 pete_dushenski: not that the ass is nerveless, but there's certainly a much lower density there

14:13:41 mircea_popescu: (the one medically notable thing about alcoholics is that their liver is shot)

14:13:56 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski less than what ? about on par with mouth and labia/penis head.

14:14:26 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ah, was going to say mouth. i may well be mistaken

14:25:37 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167505 << i'm predicting a lengthy diatribe today

14:25:37 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:33:47; mircea_popescu: and also, i am writing like the best article ever.

14:30:31 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ?

14:31:41 asciilifeform: mod6 has the resource consumption data on the apparatus in question (assuming mod6 and ben_vulpes decide to ratify the requisite patches which added up to that sample)

14:31:43 mircea_popescu: im definitely going to run a few.

14:32:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you think it feasible to run one on nsa servers ?

14:32:03 asciilifeform: incidentally, i've asked before and will ask again now - who has read my patches ?

14:32:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it most certainly is. though it will get squeezed when i roll out the multicore phuctoratron

14:32:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have read in the sense of moved my eyes over them and decyphered the letters. i have not read in the sense i understand this sufficiently.

14:32:46 asciilifeform: good thing it mostly consists of minus signs.

14:33:03 mircea_popescu: tracherous thing.

14:33:17 asciilifeform: if you grep for '+' at linestarts you'll get what i actually ~added~

14:33:37 mircea_popescu: i know how diffs work omg

14:33:39 asciilifeform: (summary: not much)

14:33:49 asciilifeform: ^ pointing out for n00bs mainly

14:33:55 asciilifeform: rather than mircea_popescu & co

14:34:38 *: asciilifeform is sorta imagining a 'studio audience' of folks who might actually consider using 0.5.3.next on the battlefield, pending some actual clarification of wtf we did to it

14:35:06 *: lobbes is a member of said audience

14:35:14 asciilifeform: there we go

14:36:52 pete_dushenski: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-18/ex-u-s-agent-charged-with-pocketing-bitcoins-reaches-plea-deal << shaun bridges (not to be confoozed with carl mark force) pleads guilty to silk road thefts

14:36:53 assbot: Ex-U.S. Agent Charged With Bitcoin Theft to Plead Guilty - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhqDJS )

14:37:07 asciilifeform: my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this)

14:37:25 asciilifeform: then will see what obstacle, if any, remains to a static+uclibc build.

14:37:52 asciilifeform: if this can be had, result will become part of a 'buildroot' for pogo with swap-enabled.

14:38:32 asciilifeform: (now that we appear to have bounded memory footprint, adding swap is no longer 'slowing death' but 'slow life')

14:39:07 asciilifeform: caveat: i cannot now say ~when~ i will do this experiment.

14:39:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00046916 = 18.6491 BTC [+] {3}

14:39:24 asciilifeform: so if anyone would like to do it first, please go, do.

14:40:39 mircea_popescu: aha.

14:42:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00047031 = 9.3121 BTC [+]

14:44:51 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: buildroot?

14:45:05 asciilifeform: aha

14:45:08 asciilifeform: !s buildroot

14:45:09 assbot: 90 results for 'buildroot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buildroot

14:45:17 thestringpuller: ty

14:45:28 asciilifeform: see also therealbitcoin mailinglist

14:45:55 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev

14:46:40 *: asciilifeform bbl

14:48:44 jurov: i planned to look to the patches.. then eulora came out

14:49:55 mircea_popescu: oops.

14:51:55 punkman: http://i.imgur.com/FAv6VdV.png

14:51:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SrBNNt )

14:52:32 jurov: orly, google did it?

14:56:03 fluffypony: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/lego-promoting-unrealistic-body-image-2015061899397

14:56:04 assbot: Lego ‘promoting unrealistic body image’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lhthzk )

14:57:13 *: pete_dushenski goes to stock up on 'pre-fairness' legos

14:58:39 *: pete_dushenski comes back, sees that fluffypony was joking. breathes sweet sigh of relief.

14:59:01 fluffypony: :-P

14:59:09 pete_dushenski: not that a healthy stash of lego would hurt

15:00:15 jurov: only if you walk barefoot

15:08:46 mircea_popescu: o yeah, used to get my mother all the time.

15:08:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.0004582 = 14.8915 BTC [-] {2}

15:13:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00047031 = 5.1734 BTC [+]

15:14:00 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167519 <-- c) missed a chance to exercise imagination (use it or lose it)

15:14:00 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.

15:18:45 scoopbot_revived: The problem of the state. http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state/

15:21:21 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167519 <-- amputations you mean?

15:21:21 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.

15:21:27 funkenstein_: whoops wrong paste

15:21:32 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: the problem i have with legos is construction organization of bigger sets. I have a 10k+ piece star destroyer set and if I stop working on it I always forget the step i was left.

15:21:43 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167616 <-- amputations you mean?

15:21:43 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 14:32:03; asciilifeform: incidentally, i've asked before and will ask again now - who has read my patches ?

15:24:24 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: 10k piece ?! sweet baby jeebus that a big one.

15:24:57 pete_dushenski: but hey, lego isn't so different from any other organisation : it scales poorly

15:25:48 *: mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction

15:26:00 mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what some jerk thought he would do if he had your toy ?

15:26:40 mircea_popescu: cue kid come visiting, "hey, is that the car ???" pointing at a yellow futuristic looking bridge with some wheels attached

15:27:08 pete_dushenski: is that kid gavin ?

15:27:27 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: nvm 3k was normal star destroyer 8k for super star destroyer

15:27:40 mircea_popescu: lol no, razvan

15:29:04 pete_dushenski: the permutations and combinations that even 3k pieces would give you is pretty awe inspiring

15:29:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7037 @ 0.00047031 = 3.3096 BTC [+]

15:29:31 mircea_popescu: heh apparently it doesn't exist anymore.

15:29:48 pete_dushenski: moral being : don't blame the mice who made the doodles

15:30:05 pete_dushenski: lego is that one toy that works like it says it will on the box

15:30:35 pete_dushenski: nearly indestructible pieces, endless mixable and matchable between sets

15:31:17 pete_dushenski: give alf a decade or two and we'll have fpga's this useable

15:31:35 pete_dushenski: *endlessly

15:31:40 mircea_popescu: i'd give him anything else rather than decades.

15:32:07 pete_dushenski: lol how about butan rocket

15:32:51 mircea_popescu: too much like a penis.

15:33:40 pete_dushenski: too many nerve endings eh

15:34:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10397 @ 0.0004499 = 4.6776 BTC [-] {2}

15:38:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13903 @ 0.00043725 = 6.0791 BTC [-]

15:42:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00043548 = 18.8563 BTC [-] {2}

15:51:33 funkenstein_: so it will be with a whimper, and not with a bang then?

15:53:31 mircea_popescu: !up nanashi_

15:53:50 nanashi_: Could I make an inquiry about BitBet's Freeseas Bet? The first three of the last four bets were "No" bets, so they should not be refunded (though it seems it's too late...).

15:55:17 mircea_popescu: link ?

15:55:33 nanashi_: https://bitbet.us/bet/1155/freeseas-inc-nasdaq-free-will-trade-at-least-0-10/

15:55:34 assbot: BitBet - FreeSeas INC, NASDAQ:FREE, will trade at least 0.10 USD per share before 1st July 2015. :: 3.26 B (44%) on Yes, 4.19 B (56%) on No | closed 10 hours 21 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1J62PZ7 )

15:57:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00043452 = 5.6922 BTC [-] {2}

15:57:39 nanashi_: Should I speak at "mircea_popescu tab" (which is (I think) more private?)

15:57:56 mircea_popescu: i do not know you. we can't talk privately for this reason.

15:58:27 nanashi_: ok.

16:01:28 nanashi_: Am I talking to a right person (about Freeseas bet inquiry), mircea_popescu?

16:01:40 mircea_popescu: nanashi_ havin' it looked into, a sec.

16:04:17 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

16:04:18 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.56, Best ask: 250.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 250.51, 24 hour volume: 30185.22252203, 24 hour low: 243.0, 24 hour high: 253.7, 24 hour vwap: None

16:06:49 nanashi_: I am "143Cz" better. I know I lost the bet, but I'm surprised the later three bets (which were all "No") were refunded (which they should not).

16:10:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13903 @ 0.00045034 = 6.2611 BTC [+]

16:12:02 mircea_popescu: myeah. mod dropped teh ball, an' as a result im out a coupla bitcoins now.

16:12:06 mircea_popescu: nanashi_ thanks for pointing it out.

16:12:38 nanashi_: you're welcome...

16:16:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00045034 = 5.4941 BTC [+]

16:17:14 nanashi_: I was envious of the later three "No" betters (refunded), I'm sorry!!

16:18:32 mircea_popescu: lol

16:18:33 scoopbot_revived: Shaun Bridges Pleads Guilty to Silk Road Theft http://qntra.net/2015/06/shaun-bridges-pleads-guilty-to-silk-road-theft/

16:21:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19778 @ 0.00045043 = 8.9086 BTC [+]

16:21:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting

16:21:29 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)

16:21:50 mircea_popescu: but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase.

16:22:51 mircea_popescu: and in no case can people who aren't even aware of this hard requirement for hard forks be regarded as anything but the bumbling imbeciles discussed in http://fraudsters.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/ entry i.

16:22:52 assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J65Qsf )

16:25:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167394 << it wasn't ever 21 precisely, the asymptote is somewhat under that.

16:25:17 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 07:09:26; danielpbarron: does this mean there are not actually 21 million coins

16:26:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167403 << there's no reason to stick with the old unix time convention. bitcoin time, starts at block 0.

16:26:27 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 07:17:21; danielpbarron: can't do that. the timestamp is part of what makes a block valid

16:26:41 mircea_popescu: everyone can just throw out their old computers. not like they're useful or anything.

16:27:55 danielpbarron: sure, but block zero would still have the old unix time stamp in it, or else it wouldn't be valid, right?

16:29:48 mircea_popescu: if you hardfork you hardfork.

16:30:12 jurov: that would mean bitcoin's -1th block was at 1970-01-01 :D

16:30:22 mircea_popescu: lol

16:30:55 mircea_popescu: a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules.

16:31:00 mircea_popescu: which is why it's best left alone.

16:35:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.00045114 = 25.4443 BTC [+] {2}

16:36:12 mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ? << I think the Foundation will have one, and I'll run a separate one of my own I'm sure.

16:36:33 mircea_popescu: im definitely going to run a few, just as soon as we're in a position to actually package one

16:36:40 mircea_popescu: will sign their ips too.

16:37:08 mod6: cool!

16:53:16 mats: https://youtu.be/0pebP891V0c

16:53:17 assbot: A reimplementation of NetBSD using a MicroKernel - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0LO19 )

16:56:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13822 @ 0.00045401 = 6.2753 BTC [+]

16:59:27 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting << Shouldn't it just roll over, no hardfork required?

16:59:27 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)

17:05:14 BingoBoingo: By combining 32 bit time and blockheight a hardford should be entirely unneccessary to deal with this. Can be handled in the bitcoin daemon

17:10:25 jurov: what if... someone mines such a hash that it loops back to genesis block?

17:14:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00046147 = 9.5063 BTC [+]

17:15:18 danielpbarron: the timestamp is just used to figured out the difficulty

17:15:42 danielpbarron: i don't think it would invalidate things if two blocks had the same timestamp

17:15:51 danielpbarron: afaik, it has come close to happening already

17:16:23 danielpbarron: and it's a somewhat frequent occurence for the blocks to get mined "out of order" where the higher block height has a lower timestamp

17:19:23 punkman: why is timestamp used for difficulty?

17:20:14 punkman: oh never mind

17:23:02 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:23:10 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state << endnote iii 'sorely equipped' --> 'sorely underequipped' ?

17:23:11 assbot: The problem of the state. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1er74Sd )

17:23:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:27:36 ascii_field: and http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state/#comment-114562

17:27:37 assbot: The problem of the state. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd2BhZ )

17:30:45 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167674 << soviet lego clone did not come with book

17:30:45 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 15:25:48; *: mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction

17:30:51 ascii_field: afaik

17:33:50 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167721 << at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ?

17:33:50 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 16:21:50; mircea_popescu: but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase.

17:34:32 ascii_field: *at what level does it no longer

17:40:05 ascii_field: in fact, even if nothing is visibly changed, a sane rewrite is in fact arguably a hard fork

17:40:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00046147 = 6.3683 BTC [+]

17:40:27 ascii_field: (see the old thread re: a hypothetical ada/spark bitcoind)

17:42:41 mats: three cheers for open sores

17:43:35 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167733 << doing this sanely - which is to say, more or less precisely as i described - is neither quick, nor especially pleasant, nor remunerative. i fail to see why it would ever happen at all...

17:43:35 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 16:30:55; mircea_popescu: a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules.

17:45:09 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167737 << if i omitted anything from the list of 'what remains' ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167631 ), everyone is invited to comment...

17:45:09 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: im definitely going to run a few, just as soon as we're in a position to actually package one

17:45:09 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 14:37:07; asciilifeform: my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this)

17:55:12 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

17:56:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00046373 = 12.2425 BTC [+] {2}

18:00:13 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-WQ6lgZ9Aw

18:00:14 assbot: Tank with GoPro ambush in Syrian War battle field - Street fighting scene MBT - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MP8yAa )

18:25:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90200 @ 0.00045953 = 41.4496 BTC [-] {3}

18:28:32 diametric: mircea_popescu: around?

18:51:59 danielpbarron: !up referredbyqntra

18:52:31 diametric: ;;later tell mircea_popescu my bitcoin isp server and ikvm went offline about 15 minutes ago. wondering if its just an outage or something else going on.

18:52:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:55:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20322 @ 0.00045801 = 9.3077 BTC [-]

19:04:23 mircea_popescu: diametric aite looking into it.

19:04:40 diametric: cool thanks

19:05:02 mircea_popescu: ascii_field aye.

19:06:54 mircea_popescu: diametric apparently you're getting ~14gbps worth of random packets. it's going to come back up in the coming hours as it's being mitigated.

19:07:03 diametric: whoa

19:07:09 diametric: yay for ddos

19:07:31 diametric: possible to get a sample capture?

19:07:38 mircea_popescu: ima see.

19:11:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00045034 = 6.8452 BTC [-]

19:12:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's unlikely it'll roll over without complaint. for one thing what's 0xFFFF - 0x0000 ? is it < 10 ?

19:12:52 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:13:09 BingoBoingo: as the software is now it will likely complain, but this seems like something to be fixed in the software client rather than the block format

19:13:13 ascii_field: gotta love folks who write proggies using fixint time after 'y2k'

19:14:55 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ? << the fact that this question has not a good answer as of yet is perhaps the principal roadblock in the way of considering a hardfork at all.

19:15:20 mircea_popescu: irrespective of any flailings of random idiots (gavin & all), there can not be a hardfork until such a time as we have an answer to that question.

19:15:56 ascii_field: this is rather elementarily obvious, imho

19:16:08 mircea_popescu: the obvious "because our esteemed leader says so" (which already carried, exactly once, when the versions prior to 2 were forked off) doesn't carry, as the closest to such a thing extant in bitcoin is against it.

19:16:33 ascii_field: but my original point was, that if picking up the hammer of the gods, if/when the day comes, one may as well smite ~all~ the known idiocies, vs. only a subset

19:17:13 mircea_popescu: moreover, there is a list of idiocies that may not be not smitten

19:17:34 ascii_field: that 'fixint time' Must Die (TM) i imagine is not controversial

19:17:50 mircea_popescu: it's only controversial in that most of the "participants" have nfi.

19:17:53 ascii_field: (notice i did not say '32-bit time')

19:17:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3947 @ 0.00045034 = 1.7775 BTC [-]

19:17:59 mircea_popescu: technically ignorance is a side to any controversy

19:23:23 ascii_field: only in the sense that fleas on the dogs are contenders in the 'iditarod' races

19:25:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3541 @ 0.00044341 = 1.5701 BTC [-]

19:26:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00045137 = 7.8087 BTC [+] {3}

19:32:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00044217 = 3.2721 BTC [-]

19:36:49 jurov: well.. some databases use 'double' for the time

19:37:27 jurov: with one day being == 1.0

19:38:19 ascii_field: fixed bit count time field >> braindamaged

19:40:46 jurov: what do you propose? ISO format?

19:40:52 ascii_field: bigint

19:41:31 ascii_field: (there are many ways to encode 'this is how long, and what follows is the integer itself)

19:42:49 jurov: encode dates in UTF-8?

19:42:49 *: jurov hides

19:42:51 ascii_field: obligatory: http://naggum.no/lugm-time.html

19:42:52 assbot: Erik Naggum — A Long, Painful History of Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1erxxix )

19:43:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26641 @ 0.00043894 = 11.6938 BTC [-]

19:43:55 jurov: but seriously, certain experiences make me wary of using naked numbers for datetime, i always exchange stuff using ISO 8601 format and always with timezone

19:44:43 jurov: the database can save them as it wants as long i can get same thing as i put in

19:45:10 trinque: why's parsing a single integer more dangerous than parsing a complicated string?

19:45:24 trinque: *in your view

19:45:46 jurov: 1. losing timezone is risky

19:46:01 trinque: store as UTC with a separate tz field

19:46:03 jurov: are you certain you ceonverted everything to utc?

19:46:16 trinque: sure

19:46:20 jurov: 2. js needs to multiply the value 100x

19:46:38 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:46:42 jurov: 3. you can't visually check the dates looks right

19:46:49 *: mircea_popescu loathes timezones.

19:46:49 jurov: etc.etc.

19:46:54 ascii_field: jurov: what time could you ever want that can't be recovered from epoch time ?

19:47:17 jurov: i can be never sure i have put epoch time in

19:47:18 ascii_field: fuck 'timezones' with red-hot poker

19:47:24 trinque: mircea_popescu: I tend to ignore their existence except at the last step before display

19:47:24 ascii_field: and ditto 'leap seconds' etc

19:47:26 mircea_popescu: i'd rather people had to get used to the fact they a) live in shitlandia so sunrise is at 4pm and b) they're shitlords that live in the dirt and so their interests areen't being catered to

19:47:32 mircea_popescu: than me having to keep changing the time.

19:47:35 ascii_field: ^^

19:47:43 trinque: yeah, that would be much better

19:47:43 mircea_popescu: fuck it, make one planet time and whoever doesn't fly enough can eat a bag of dicks.

19:47:56 ascii_field: earth time.

19:48:08 mircea_popescu: timezone is about as braindamaged as "colorsmell"

19:48:09 jurov: i have put a code in coinbr that checks for mandatory timezones and pops an excpetion otherwise

19:48:16 jurov: and it saved my ass several times

19:48:48 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'colorsmell' << as in what lsd users get ?

19:49:32 mircea_popescu: yeh

19:49:35 mircea_popescu: synestupidia.

19:49:58 ascii_field: 'gmt' exists

19:50:04 ascii_field: but probably not what mircea_popescu had in mind

19:50:50 mircea_popescu: bbl

19:50:57 nubbins`: have never smelled colour on lsd

19:51:24 ascii_field: nubbins`: but what of the opposite, the colour of a smell ?

19:51:27 nubbins`: smelled ozone yesterday while shorting the control panel on a 240V conveyor dryer o.O

19:51:31 trinque: yeah, my perception of the various senses gets diddled to the extreme, but they have never mixed

19:51:54 nubbins`: ascii_field nothing nearly as organized as that :D

19:52:47 nubbins`: salvia divinorum is way more likely to induce synesthesia anyway

19:53:19 nubbins`: unfortunately mp just left so he is unable to inform us that the hallucinogenic effects of drugs don't exist and we're deluding ourselves into pretending to be hallucinating

19:53:26 nubbins`: or w/e it was :D

19:53:47 *: nubbins` suspects mp was sold oregano as a kid and smoked it

19:54:52 mats: i vaguely remember mp being stoned a few months ago

19:54:59 ascii_field: iirc there exist 'true hallucinogens' where the user retains not a shred of doubt that the hallucinated sensations correspond to reality; and a 'false' kind, where there is doubt, and to which most extant hallucinogenic dope falls into

19:55:10 mats: something about the stuff being stronger than last decade or w.e

19:55:11 ascii_field: but having never accessed either personally, i cannot comment

19:55:24 trinque: nubbins`: salvia is a hell of a drug

19:55:30 nubbins`: +oo

19:55:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00043856 = 6.381 BTC [-]

19:56:06 nubbins`: ascii_field "jimson weed" (datura) hallucinations are generally interpreted as being genuine

19:56:20 nubbins`: i.e. user does not feel impaired but will imagine cigarettes, people, etc

19:56:34 ascii_field: i also recall that the 'true hallucinogens' are generally taken once and 'wtf why did i do that'

19:56:39 nubbins`: trip reports for that shit on Erowid.org were always fun to read

19:56:40 nubbins`: yup.

19:56:49 nubbins`: most of the stories end in the hospital or the police station

19:56:50 trinque: I've heard terrible things about datura

19:57:16 nubbins`: people trying to sell drugs to toilets, etc

19:57:49 mats: all i did was walk around naked

19:57:52 mats: that sounds more fun

19:57:55 nubbins`: sounds very un-fun

19:58:18 nubbins`: LSD, psilocybin etc more "augment" things than anything else

19:59:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30762 @ 0.00044171 = 13.5879 BTC [+] {2}

20:03:16 trinque: nubbins`: I tend to think of LSD as abstract-reasoning overdrive serum

20:04:15 ascii_field: trinque: there is apparently ample record of folks using very small (a few microgram) doses precisely this way

20:04:44 trinque: ascii_field: yep, too much and your brain becomes useless, multicolored mush

20:05:17 ascii_field: trinque: always wanted to try this, but never came close to accessing the dope

20:05:26 nubbins`: SWIM definitely took a half-tab and attended math class more than once at uni

20:05:35 mats: lol

20:05:41 nubbins`: ascii_field dark markets offer impossibly reliable plausible deniability

20:05:56 ascii_field: nubbins`: l0l at morons having dope mailed to their postbox

20:06:02 trinque: ^

20:06:10 mats: pick up a reagent kit if you're going to do that

20:06:13 ascii_field: and lacking own gas chromatograph to see precisely what is in

20:06:14 nubbins`: ascii_field you realize that i could mail dope to your mailbox today, yes?

20:06:19 mats: actually, that should go without saying

20:06:27 ascii_field: nubbins`: i check it every day, for some reason no dope...

20:06:44 nubbins`: and if one day the dope shows up... what crime did you commit?

20:06:46 ascii_field: and no invitations from chinese emperor

20:06:50 nubbins`: owning a mailbox?

20:07:01 ascii_field: nubbins`: the crime of being nominated for police watch while checking mail

20:07:11 ascii_field: the mayor of the town where i live had this set up for him

20:07:16 ascii_field: they machine-gunned his dogs

20:07:21 nubbins`: o.O

20:07:37 ascii_field: aha. some bozo (opponent?) mailed him a fat crate of dope

20:07:43 nubbins`: so you take package from mailbox and lay it on your table for an hour.

20:07:44 ascii_field: and tipped off the police prior

20:07:50 ascii_field: they sat, watched

20:08:10 mats: thats brilliant

20:08:30 nubbins`: also, fat crate of dope != lsd

20:08:38 ascii_field: sure.

20:09:06 nubbins`: SWIM had to retrieve from garbage once due to extreme stealth on part of seller

20:09:13 ascii_field: fits in the comma at the end of a printed sentence. but for actual scientific self-experimentation a la alex shulgin one needs ~known~ dose

20:09:22 ascii_field: not simply 'this is a postage stamp with some amount of lsd'

20:09:26 *: nubbins` nods

20:09:37 nubbins`: vials of pure liquid are less common nowadays

20:09:47 nubbins`: tho still available

20:09:55 ascii_field: no 'dark'-anything will ever sell you a known amount of whatever.

20:10:01 *: nubbins` shrugs

20:10:03 nubbins`: if you say

20:10:07 ascii_field: it's a strictly 'wot' sort of affair

20:10:11 ascii_field: like buying plutonium

20:10:36 nubbins`: what, you think i pop online and choose a random vendor each time? :D

20:11:42 ascii_field: nubbins`: unless vendor is also the producer (this is, as i understand, uncommon for opsec reasons) you in fact ~are~ 'choosing random'

20:13:33 *: nubbins` throws hands in air

20:13:45 nubbins`: drugs are cut by dealer, not distributor

20:14:26 ascii_field: nubbins`: lsd is unstable in solution. and so it would stand to reason that it is parceled out to the 'stamps' where produced.

20:14:35 ascii_field: but i cannot say for certain.

20:15:37 mats: unstable in all forms

20:16:19 nubbins`: "As a salt, in water, cold, and free from air and light exposure, it is stable indefinitely."

20:16:27 nubbins`: ^ from tihkal

20:16:48 ascii_field: originally sold (by sandoz) in, iirc, ampules.

20:16:54 mats: hmm

20:16:58 nubbins`: clear glass ones

20:17:00 nubbins`: !up ascii_field

20:17:13 nubbins`: UV light destroys it in short order

20:17:46 nubbins`: my understanding is that crystal is dissolved in solution by producer, then laid by distributors, but i'm sure there are as many arrangements as producers and distributors

20:18:13 nubbins`: SWIM's source says they receive crystal and lay their own blotters, but as you say -- who knows?

20:18:25 nubbins`: short of sending some to a lab, all we have is subjective commentary

20:19:13 nubbins`: the original SR had an lsd review team w/ access to a lab

20:19:22 nubbins`: regularly tested tabs and posted analysis

20:19:25 mats: the most common arrangement i've seen is a solution of everclear and lsd

20:19:39 ascii_field: <nubbins`> regularly tested tabs and posted analysis << they aren't in my wot...

20:19:58 nubbins`: this is true. they're in mine, tho :D

20:20:40 nubbins`: https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

20:20:41 assbot: Erowid Online Books : "TIHKAL" - #26 LSD-25 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li2Qtf )

20:20:45 nubbins`: related reading for the curious

20:20:54 *: ascii_field owns the dead tree of 'pihkal' and 'tihkal'

20:21:11 nubbins`: oooooo

20:21:26 nubbins`: LSD-25 is (i think) the only substance that doesn't include qualitative comments

20:21:48 nubbins`: with the excuse given that there are plenty already and it would be absurd to cherry-pick a handful of his own

20:21:53 ascii_field: aha

20:22:28 *: ascii_field often wonders if he's the only man alive to have 1) read the books 2) wanted to taste the items described therein 3) could not

20:22:52 nubbins`: nope.

20:23:08 punkman: I'd say that holds for the majority of readers

20:23:11 nubbins`: i read he was really into cacti in his later years

20:23:14 nubbins`: died recently iirc

20:23:34 ascii_field: punkman: i suspect that the majority of readers ~could~ obtain at least one or two of the items found in the pages

20:23:39 nubbins`: hoffman famously lived to the ripe age of 102

20:23:55 ascii_field: died last year, i think

20:24:10 nubbins`: ascii_field didn't we just establish that you could taste these things but choose not to? :D

20:24:20 ascii_field: nubbins`: i could taste mystery meat

20:24:29 ascii_field: but why would i want to do that.

20:24:39 nubbins`: that's why you buy from a website instead of a street dealer

20:24:51 nubbins`: purchase LSD on the street and i almost guarantee you'll be purchasing an NBOMe

20:25:11 nubbins`: purchase LSD online and there's NBOMe for sale right next to it so why not just call everything what it is and let the buyer choose?

20:25:13 ascii_field: wake me up when they're in my wot, and not opsec-retarded

20:25:22 *: nubbins` roughly shakes ascii_field

20:25:23 nubbins`: WAKE UP

20:25:27 punkman: I was recently shown a website that sold legal LSD analogues via credit card

20:25:42 nubbins`: remember RAC research?

20:25:49 ascii_field: 'analogues' l0l

20:25:57 ascii_field: in usa actually we have an 'analogues act'

20:26:05 ascii_field: specifically for folks like this

20:26:06 nubbins`: ^

20:26:10 nubbins`: https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2026

20:26:11 assbot: Culture - DEA arrests most Research Chemical vendors under the name 'Operation Web tryp' - Drugs Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li3nvj )

20:26:21 ascii_field: ^ more than one such, even

20:26:29 nubbins`: i had always wondered if those research chem sites were legit

20:26:31 nubbins`: turns out they were :P

20:26:58 ascii_field: so legit they helpfully kept records of all names...

20:27:10 nubbins`: 8)

20:27:26 nubbins`: ;;google JLF poisonous non-consumables arrest

20:27:27 gribble: Arresting Vendors of Grey Market Psychoactives - Psychonaut: http://www.psychonaut.com/blog/35786-arresting-vendors-grey-market-psychoactives.html; The Strange Case of Mark Niemoeller | Alternet: http://www.alternet.org/story/12393/the_strange_case_of_mark_niemoeller; Erowid Research Chemical Vault : Not in Kansas Anymore...: (1 more message)

20:28:07 punkman: nubbins`: did you ever try AL-LAD?

20:29:31 nubbins`: haven't had the pleasure

20:30:07 ascii_field: until we have a way of dematerializing physical objects and reconstituting them in a remote place without traceable motion in-between, like bits, pretty much everyone who is willing to be involved on the supply side of dope economy is retarded

20:30:08 nubbins`: extracted LSA once

20:30:12 ascii_field: because it selects for this

20:30:18 ascii_field: just like bitcoin-fiat exchanges!

20:30:26 nubbins`: ascii_field that's why we're on the demand side, not the supply side

20:30:31 nubbins`: it's a win-win situation for the purchaser

20:30:50 thestringpuller: ascii_field: okay what is your rationale on this?

20:30:56 ascii_field: dealing with the retarded is - at the very least - very foolish.

20:31:08 punkman: nubbins`: depends on location

20:31:13 ascii_field: thestringpuller: see thread ?

20:31:24 nubbins`: punkman the minimum requirement is that the supplier be located in your country.

20:31:48 nubbins`: it is simply not feasible to discover LSD in domestic mail

20:32:26 ascii_field: nubbins`: it is equally difficult to discover what in particular you actually got in that mail.

20:32:45 thestringpuller: ascii_field: i've been following it you never really clarified why the supply side is specifically retarded unless I missed that line?

20:32:57 nubbins`: ascii_field an open marketplace ensures the substance, if not the dosage.

20:33:21 scoopbot_revived: France Issues Humor Related Travel Warning For Visitors to the United States http://qntra.net/2015/06/france-issues-humor-related-travel-warning-for-visitors-to-the-united-states/

20:33:59 nubbins`: ascii_field besides, let's say you know the dosage down to the ug. What difference does that make?

20:34:08 nubbins`: person x will react differently than person y to the same dose.

20:34:14 kakobrekla: ascii_field i think nubbins` volunteers to be your test subject

20:34:26 nubbins`: so your tabs are 150ug instead of 200ug.

20:34:29 *: nubbins` waves hands dramatically

20:34:36 ascii_field: nubbins`: can then say 'i took 5ug and discovered proof of goldbach's conjecture' or 'i took 500 and learned that thirty-three is purple'

20:34:57 nubbins`: ascii_field the sensible thing is to purchase a ten-strip, start low and see what happens.

20:34:57 BingoBoingo: !b 4

20:34:58 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3EAMJVC.txt )

20:35:11 nubbins`: coincidentally, this is the same procedure used when dealing with a known quantity.

20:35:17 ascii_field: how the hell do you even know which end of the strip is 'low' ?!

20:35:26 nubbins`: heh.

20:35:30 nubbins`: i mean start with a low dose

20:35:36 nubbins`: like, say, a half tab.

20:35:44 nubbins`: didn't work so well? you have 9.5 remaining

20:35:49 nubbins`: try a full one

20:36:00 ascii_field: and if you want same thing again ?

20:36:10 nubbins`: take another half!

20:36:10 ascii_field: pray to god to send you the same concentration of strip ?

20:36:36 punkman: ideally you'd want a properly diluted solution and a dropper

20:36:55 nubbins`: ascii_field well, after your TWENTY half-hit trips, you'd probably buy another ten-strip and start the process over again.

20:37:23 nubbins`: do you suppose you'd want to do this more than 20 times?

20:37:31 ascii_field: suppose.

20:37:46 nubbins`: so the next time, get the same vendor to sell you 50.

20:37:53 ascii_field: and repeat same circus again ?

20:38:02 mats: its always going to be a gamble

20:38:09 mats: laying LSD is not an exact process

20:38:12 nubbins`: "circus" = taking a small dose, yes

20:38:16 ascii_field: would you tolerate this with coffee? booze ?

20:38:17 mats: if you want to measure dosage, get liquid

20:38:30 nubbins`: ascii_field if otherwise unavailable, yes.

20:38:34 *: nubbins` points to moonshine

20:38:39 mats: people already tolerate this with coffee, caffeine tablets are a more reasonable alternative, right

20:38:54 nubbins`: people DO already tolerate it with coffee

20:38:59 nubbins`: cigarettes, marijuana, birthday cake...

20:39:22 ascii_field: the caffeine in the weakest and strongest cup of coffee does not vary by orders of magnitude.

20:39:26 nubbins`: imagine the burden, though, of having to eat like 2 hits of LSD to figure out an appropriate dose for the other 48.

20:39:28 nubbins`: the horror!

20:39:48 nubbins`: ascii_field the LSD from a single vendor doesn't vary by orders of magnitude either

20:39:56 nubbins`: in my wot-based experience, anyway ;p

20:40:10 nubbins`: 20ug vs 200? might as well sell blank paper.

20:40:18 nubbins`: 2000ug instead of 200? business: you're doing it wrong

20:40:48 ascii_field: nubbins`: how much blank paper have you eaten so far ?

20:41:04 nubbins`: none

20:41:24 nubbins`: single-purchase customers does not a business make

20:42:00 nubbins`: it's much more lucrative to sell what's advertised

20:42:01 *: ascii_field wonders why nubbins` is publicly begging lizard hitler to order his mail opened and tested

20:42:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117700 @ 0.00045003 = 52.9685 BTC [+] {4}

20:42:20 mats: lol

20:42:27 *: nubbins` wonders why alf is paralyzed by imaginary chains of inaction

20:42:34 ascii_field: because they are not imaginary.

20:42:40 *: nubbins` nods

20:42:42 nubbins`: gotcha

20:42:43 ascii_field: see earlier re: the mayor.

20:42:52 ascii_field: and he didn't even ~ask~ for the dope

20:43:02 ascii_field: picture if i spoke here of having asked for it.

20:43:11 thestringpuller: the crack smoking mayor of toronto?

20:43:19 ascii_field: (that's the root misconception behind the pseudolegalism of 'it is not forbidden to receive dope in the mail')

20:43:26 nubbins`: listen, i can't do anything about the fact that your police regularly kill innocent people

20:44:05 nubbins`: all i'm saying is that you absolutely, 100%, can purchase drugs online safely

20:44:28 ascii_field: i don't doubt that when the time comes, they will find a watertight reason to demolish my house, with me in it, in the middle of the night

20:44:38 ascii_field: but they will have to do better than 'bought dope on shit road'

20:44:43 nubbins`: so take a trip before your number gets called.

20:44:55 nubbins`: !up ag3nt_zer0

20:44:57 nubbins`: welcome

20:45:03 nubbins`: brb

20:45:48 ag3nt_zer0: nubbis`: thanks

20:46:06 ag3nt_zer0: Nubbins`: thanks

20:47:37 nubbins`: !up ascii_field

20:48:46 ag3nt_zer0: sorry ahead of time for the remedialism... so I attempted to encrypt my first txt by following this: gpg –output [message.txt.gpg] –encrypt –recipient [your@friend.org] [message.txt]... however, this is what I got... usage: gpg [options] [filename] - any advice would be welcome...?

20:53:19 nubbins`: ag3nt_zer0 try --option instead of -option?

20:53:24 nubbins`: e.g. --output etc

20:53:47 nubbins`: some related lore, for those interested: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1427364

20:53:48 assbot: The "THUMBPRINT" - The Pub - Shroomery Message Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li6d3C )

20:54:16 shinohai: And of course ensure that you have your friend's key imported

21:04:12 ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: am I attempting the impossible by just trying to encrypt it to my own key and send to myself for a check?

21:05:13 shinohai: try sending it to me: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE33585713E184252

21:05:14 assbot: Public Key Server -- Get "0xe33585713e184252 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRIF28 )

21:14:03 ag3nt_zer0: nubbins: thanks the double dash worked

21:14:44 ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: i got somewhere but it says "there is no assurance this key belongs to the named user"

21:15:16 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: that's because marking the key as certainly your friend's key is something you do, and something you shouldn't do casually

21:15:23 shinohai: That's normal. It just means you can't know *for sure* it is me unless I give you the key in person.

21:15:33 shinohai: >.>

21:16:34 shinohai: !up ag3nt_zer0

21:17:28 ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: gpg: can't open `gpgmessage.txt': No such file or directory

21:17:55 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167669 <<< i always thought the pirate ship was lego's piece de resistance

21:17:55 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 15:21:32; thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: the problem i have with legos is construction organization of bigger sets. I have a 10k+ piece star destroyer set and if I stop working on it I always forget the step i was left.

21:18:11 shinohai: So you make a text file, call it gpgmessage.txt (or whatever) and save it

21:18:22 ag3nt_zer0: yes

21:19:55 ag3nt_zer0: do I need to put the path in there? after --output?

21:20:49 shinohai: yes or cd to the absolute path

21:20:56 ag3nt_zer0: ok duh

21:21:07 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/3TTaw.jpg [asset of the day]

21:21:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRJLed )

21:24:44 ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: did you receive?

21:25:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82850 @ 0.00045603 = 37.7821 BTC [+] {2}

21:27:11 cazalla: shinohai, bit mousy looking but nice

21:27:58 shinohai: Yeah cazalla a bit of a butterface but for dat ass I'll make exceptions.

21:28:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13054 @ 0.00044821 = 5.8509 BTC [-]

21:31:46 cazalla: ah i think she's attractive, just has that mousy look.. no cocks either! maybe mp could learn a thing or two from you :P

21:35:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00046682 = 19.5131 BTC [+] {3}

21:36:07 shinohai: I try to find some like mp likes, but never any girls with strike my fancy. So I guess he has monopoly on cocks

21:47:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10196 @ 0.00046673 = 4.7588 BTC [-]

21:48:24 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167968 <<< ya read about that montfortRC darknet dealer who put like 12 people in the hospital with his stuff?

21:48:24 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 20:25:11; nubbins`: purchase LSD online and there's NBOMe for sale right next to it so why not just call everything what it is and let the buyer choose?

21:48:49 nubbins`: o.O

21:49:28 cazalla: mind you it was roids or some shit but asciilifeform's point sorta stands.. they got mystery meat

21:50:18 shinohai: Most people cba with test kits, and instead just put whatever substance they get in the mail inside them.

21:50:24 funkenstein_: highly recommended on the topic: Graham Hancock's banned TED talk on the war on consciousness

21:51:15 cazalla: http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3a0b0p/fuck_you_montfort_you_did_this_i_was_going_to/cs85xzo

21:51:17 assbot: World177 comments on FUCK YOU MONTFORT. YOU DID THIS. I WAS GOING TO JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkiGfD )

21:52:15 cazalla: dealer had an assortment of mystery meats it would seem lol

21:52:49 trinque: jeez

21:52:54 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Don't post np links here, we don't want b-a warriors shadowbanned for brigading

21:53:17 funkenstein_: guess i'm an old man, i never heard of any of those chems in that thread

21:54:11 cazalla: BingoBoingo, nfi why it is even in the url, gotta sub or something?

21:54:32 funkenstein_: personally i am more comfortable with darket markets than hospital pharmacies

21:54:35 BingoBoingo: cazalla: The fis is deleting the np. part

21:55:33 trinque: I've gambled on too many farts (and made it out ok) to keep doing so

21:55:45 cazalla: on a related note.. some medical centres in australia are prescribing ketamine off label for depression

21:55:47 trinque: would much rather have a sane society and an above-ground vendor of recreational chemicals

21:55:55 BingoBoingo: Not to worried about it beyond people wanting to fuck with homo reddictus and getting their hate hidden

21:55:56 Adlai: "provider... recognised mistake and told me he had shipped acetylfentanyl instead and apologized and agreed to send 200g of methylone for free to compensate." sounds like everything went Better Than Expected™

21:57:21 Adlai: we apologize for shipping guns which fire backwards. we will arm your next army with twice as many guns and we promise they'll shoot forwards this time!

22:00:07 funkenstein_: this kind of thing is the number one cause of death in babylon, referred to as medical errors

22:03:19 jurov: lol the log got..er...high

22:11:20 jurov: !up ag3nt_zer0

22:11:31 jurov: have you reg'd with assbot yet?

22:11:40 mats: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/330359969813770242

22:11:49 ag3nt_zer0: hi, thanks jurov, no I have not

22:11:55 mats: >camelcase

22:12:07 ag3nt_zer0: still trying to figure out how encrypt and send a message properly

22:12:43 ag3nt_zer0: does anyone have experience with gpgtools for mac?

22:13:11 ag3nt_zer0: tried sending to shinohai but got a string of numbers he said were not correct looking at all

22:14:08 shinohai: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DFk5bQ1g << for reference.

22:14:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GknnGj )

22:14:34 ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: thanks

22:14:40 jurov: oh you forgot --armor

22:14:58 jurov: by default gpg spews binary

22:15:53 shinohai: That never crossed my mind for some reason.

22:16:00 ag3nt_zer0: jurov: thanks. do I place that between --encrypt and --recipient?

22:16:07 jurov: gpg --armor --sign --encrypt -R A179E169 < niggers.txt > encrypted.txt

22:16:15 jurov: ^ example

22:16:15 ag3nt_zer0: haha ok

22:17:00 shinohai: That's hilarious jurov because I saved a dum file earlier and named it "niggers.txt"

22:18:05 jurov: !s niggers.txt

22:18:06 assbot: 62 results for 'niggers.txt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=niggers.txt

22:18:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32996 @ 0.00044821 = 14.7891 BTC [-]

22:21:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17622 @ 0.00043856 = 7.7283 BTC [-]

22:23:20 *: funkenstein_ doesn't get it

22:24:21 BingoBoingo: Also don't forget to set the .conf for them or you get Ferguson/Baltimore

22:26:30 ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: http://pastebin.com/9vPaT5ih

22:26:31 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org hQEMA7S - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkpI3Q )

22:27:49 funkenstein_: BingoBoingo, explain please

22:28:12 BingoBoingo: !s niggers.conf

22:28:13 assbot: 2 results for 'niggers.conf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=niggers.conf

22:28:41 mats: https://www.yahoo.com/style/at-the-recent-69th-annual-tony-awards-the-121675123143.html heh

22:28:42 assbot: How Stars Like Cara Delevingne, Kristen Stewart, & Miley Cyrus Are Leading the Gender Fluid Movement for Millennials ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZcTSg )

22:29:01 shinohai: Well ag3nt_zer0 you encrypted it woth your own key, instead of my public key

22:29:05 mats: the acronym gets longer every year

22:29:06 shinohai: otherwise thats it

22:29:28 ag3nt_zer0: Gender Fluid? don't step in that!

22:30:07 funkenstein_: one can use the word nigger to comedic value sure..

22:30:17 funkenstein_: but what's the reference to fascist police action?

22:31:20 ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: can you pm me?

22:32:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00043825 = 4.7988 BTC [-] {2}

22:34:45 BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: niggers.conf is how you set the police. If you go with the insane defaults they tend to go a bit crazy with the oppression.

22:36:07 mats: casual racism is the norm here

22:37:59 funkenstein_: :D

22:38:26 cazalla: it's not even really racism

22:39:50 shinohai: We know there aren't any niggers here, how they going to find a school?

22:40:06 funkenstein_: you mean no police here?

22:40:13 mats: what?

22:40:22 BingoBoingo: Most niggers are white nowadays

22:43:11 jurov: i thought most whites are niggers

22:43:29 jurov: or gypsies

22:44:10 jurov: !up gares

22:44:27 jurov: !up paxtoncamaro91_

22:46:06 menahem: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Your shirt is a hit, http://screencast.com/t/5Y30zCpvFu - By chance, do you have your previous header image ? The b&w one, you pointing, looking fierce ? I think it'd be killa on a tee.

22:46:08 assbot: 2015-06-19_0007 - Saucal's library ... ( http://bit.ly/1GktESh )

22:46:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:50:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00043779 = 13.0899 BTC [-]

22:52:20 jurov: menahem pick one: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/themes/fraudsters/images/

22:52:21 assbot: Index of /wp-content/themes/fraudsters/images ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZhtzS )

22:53:07 menahem: yesss! thank you jurov

22:54:11 menahem: was looking for http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/themes/fraudsters/images/bg_apr2015.jpg

22:54:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZhT9h )

22:54:29 kakobrekla: but did you actually sell any of them?

22:55:58 menahem: yea 1 MP tee, then we had an order this morning for a bitpixel one

22:57:46 menahem: a lil weekend job, throw it up, post some links, make some passive cash

22:59:30 mats: ;;view menahem

22:59:30 gribble: Error: No orders found matching these criteria.

22:59:46 mats: might be worth your time to put it in the -otc order book

22:59:55 cazalla: for a moment i was like.. why would jurov not give qntra the scoop? http://www.coindesk.com/latin-america-coinbr-acquires-coinverse/

22:59:55 assbot: CoinBR Acquires Coinverse in Latest Exchange Merger ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkwFlJ )

23:00:16 menahem: mats, awesome idea, i'll look into it, ty.

23:07:31 mats: https://youtu.be/f7wkRET0hbo

23:07:32 assbot: RATATAT - ABRASIVE - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZkEaL )

23:13:06 trinque: mats: ooh another single... ty

23:15:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43586 @ 0.00043624 = 19.014 BTC [-] {3}

23:22:26 trinque: !up ag3nt_zer0

23:22:48 ag3nt_zer0: ty

23:22:52 trinque: yw

23:23:17 ag3nt_zer0: !register <F91576C7>

23:23:17 assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.

23:23:26 mats: https://soundcloud.com/wknd/chet-faker-x-wknd-lover

23:23:27 assbot: Chet Faker x SAINT WKND - Lover by SAINT WKND | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZo0KN )

23:23:58 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: gpg --list-keys --fingerprint your@email.com

23:25:53 ag3nt_zer0: !register <E3A4 9054 7D5E 8A59 0A56 08B0 C31C B3DF F915 76C7>

23:25:53 assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.

23:26:22 trinque: closer, but no <> and no spaces

23:26:29 ag3nt_zer0: hehe thx

23:27:03 ag3nt_zer0: !register E3A490547D5E8A590A5608B0C31CB3DFF91576C7

23:27:03 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: E3A490547D5E8A590A5608B0C31CB3DFF91576C7. This may take a few moments.

23:27:04 assbot: Key F91576C7 / "AgentZero <liberty@tuta.io>" successfully imported.

23:27:04 assbot: Registration successful.

23:27:09 ag3nt_zer0: hey!

23:27:35 mats: you're a person nao

23:27:43 *: trinque claps

23:28:04 ag3nt_zer0: oh wow I even have a +... thought I still had to earn that!

23:28:36 trinque: !gettrust ag3nt_zer0

23:28:36 assbot: Trust relationship from user trinque to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=ag3nt_zer0 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/

23:28:43 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: ^

23:28:51 trinque: you are voiced, but that's temporary

23:28:51 ag3nt_zer0: so cool... even though I a still figuring out what the hell it all means... hehe

23:29:22 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: oh ok yeah I see

23:29:53 trinque: !rate ag3nt_zer0 1 new blood

23:29:53 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/80782cd1c926b412

23:30:18 trinque: !v assbot:trinque.rate.ag3nt_zer0.1:ff6e7d96ebfbbe7ecce6a0c6e3e4045c153184dd0283b7b2afc1437fb81ea10e

23:30:19 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for ag3nt_zer0 with note: new blood

23:30:27 trinque: !gettrust ag3nt_zer0

23:30:27 assbot: Trust relationship from user trinque to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=ag3nt_zer0 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/

23:30:40 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: you may now self-voice.

23:32:05 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: thanks! are those links supposed to be dead ends? all of them appear to be except this... which says user not found... http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/

23:32:07 assbot: WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZpODI )

23:32:24 trinque: that site updates every so often

23:32:29 ag3nt_zer0: ok

23:34:42 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: give voicing yourself a shot

23:34:49 ag3nt_zer0: well trinque, jurov, shinohai - thanks alot for your guys help today!

23:35:23 ag3nt_zer0: !up ag3nt_zer0

23:38:11 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: I think I got something... first I got: -assbot- Insufficient rights, ag3nt_zer0, !up yourself on PM first.

23:38:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00043419 = 23.4463 BTC [-] {4}

23:38:25 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: assbot wants you to send the up request via pm

23:38:27 mats: /query assbot !up

23:38:38 ag3nt_zer0: so I did this: *ag3nt_zer0* !up ag3nt_zer0

23:39:06 ag3nt_zer0: and now have echoing private messages with self... is that what was supposed to happen?

23:39:48 *: trinque thwacks ag3nt_zer0 with a zen stick

23:40:05 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: run mats command without the space in front

23:40:11 ag3nt_zer0: haha was just about to say I think I have bothered you guys enough for one day!

23:40:57 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spicm13kLMk the other released song in this album

23:40:58 assbot: Ratatat - Cream on Chrome - Live from Coachella, April 11, 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZro8E )

23:51:49 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7uXE_lEzxI

23:51:50 assbot: Live CTF v2: The Hard Reboot (Episode 2) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRTS2v )

23:55:10 punkman: http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-elliptic-startup-anti-money-laundering-tool-get-banks-interested-cryptocurrency-2015-6

23:55:11 assbot: Bitcoin: Elliptic says its anti-money laundering tool could get banks interested in cryptocurrency - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZtPbh )

23:55:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44008 @ 0.00044599 = 19.6271 BTC [+] {2}

23:57:28 trinque: "to ascertain that their bitcoin holdings are not derived from the proceeds of crime." << hilarious

23:57:36 trinque: as opposed to their fiat holdings

23:58:45 punkman: yeah gotta remember how HSBC turned down all those mexicans drug dealers

23:59:28 trinque: I'm sure everyone involved was punished

23:59:43 trinque: customary punishment in banking circles is being buried by a dumptruck full of cash, I've heard