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00:03:03 BingoBoingo: Gribble why can't Malasia airlines stay in the air?

00:03:07 BingoBoingo: ;;8ball

00:03:07 gribble: Come again?

00:09:06 fluffypony: ;;8ball can Air Malaysia go another 6 months without an incident?

00:09:06 gribble: One would be wise to think so.

00:09:27 fluffypony: ;;8ball is BingoBoingo secretly a ball player?

00:09:27 gribble: Maybe...

00:09:34 fluffypony: vague.

00:10:16 mircea_popescu: ;;8ball did fluffypony have sex with his wife and two hookers

00:10:16 gribble: Maybe...

00:10:21 BingoBoingo: ;;8ball is fluffypony wearing his pony tail buttplug like right nao?

00:10:22 gribble: Yes!

00:10:23 fluffypony: hah hah

00:10:30 fluffypony: woo hoo!

00:10:41 fluffypony: gribble is the font of all knowledge

00:11:00 mircea_popescu: ;;8ball was that lawsky fellow one of the hookers ?

00:11:00 gribble: You're kidding, right?

00:11:05 cazalla: BayAreaCoins, post dancing vid link at least

00:11:31 mircea_popescu: ;;8ball im kidding, right ?

00:11:32 gribble: The outlook is poor.

00:11:37 mircea_popescu: lol

00:11:56 fluffypony: ;;8ball is everyone on the Bitcoin foundation seriously into little boys?

00:11:57 gribble: Maybe...

00:12:12 mircea_popescu: ;;8ball are the little boys enjoying it ?

00:12:12 gribble: Yes!

00:12:17 fluffypony: hah hah

00:12:22 mircea_popescu: i guess gribble's one of 'em.

00:13:02 mircea_popescu: ;;8ball do you find assbot attractive ?

00:13:03 gribble: I doubt it very much.

00:21:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/07/17/proof-that-mycelium-knows-how-to-make-a-better-rng-for-its-entropy-dongle-and-isnt/

00:21:53 BingoBoingo: ;;8ball Paranoia is healthy if it is for practical reasons, right?

00:21:54 gribble: In your dreams.

00:22:22 cazalla: !up BayAreaCoins

00:32:44 BingoBoingo: ;;8ball What about atcbot gribble. You know atcbot can get it.

00:32:44 gribble: Yes!

00:34:39 BingoBoingo: %ob

00:34:40 atcbot: 722@279 30k@278 43k@242 | 208k@210 200k@202 45k@201

00:42:09 BingoBoingo: !t h Cog

00:42:10 assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.

00:46:54 kakobrekla: you prolly wont get it on hl

00:47:13 kakobrekla: !last havelock cognitive

00:47:13 assbot: These beans is shit.

00:47:16 kakobrekla: yeah

00:47:35 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell bitcoinpete You cut off my hashing privates joke early... :(

00:47:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:47:41 kakobrekla: !last havelock cog

00:47:41 assbot: Last trade for COG on HAVELOCK was at 0.00160016 BTC [-]

00:47:51 kakobrekla: thar.

00:48:18 BingoBoingo: Ah

00:48:21 BingoBoingo: !Mpif

00:48:22 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021704 B (Total: 474.63 B). Delta: -0.65 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]

00:48:27 BingoBoingo: !mpiF

00:48:27 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021704 B (Total: 474.63 B). Delta: -0.65 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]

00:54:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 314 @ 0.00268559 = 0.8433 BTC [-] {3}

00:55:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 455 @ 0.0026502 = 1.2058 BTC [-] {3}

01:11:13 danielpbarron: !up VanCleef

01:13:16 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: My how the kingdom of loathing has changed since I last visited.

01:13:32 danielpbarron: yeah; they make new content on a monthly basis

01:13:49 danielpbarron: with other random changes at any time

01:14:35 BingoBoingo: It just seems... to have accelerated a lot since the last time I was on (roughly the Crimborg outbreak)

01:14:53 danielpbarron: I don't know what that is

01:14:57 BingoBoingo: reeses: rng whitening http://www.epmonthly.com/www.epmonthly.com/features/current-features/oxygen-is-a-drug-act-accordingly/ Rassah alf

01:14:59 assbot: Oxygen is a Drug Act Accordingly

01:15:10 danielpbarron: I don't play continuously

01:15:11 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: It was one of their christmas events

01:15:23 BingoBoingo: Maybe '07 or '08

01:15:40 danielpbarron: sometimes I get really into it and log in every day to get the most adventures per day or whatever

01:15:52 danielpbarron: right now I'm not playing it at all

01:16:31 danielpbarron: I focus on getting #1 collections of items, especially items that cannot be traded or discarded

01:17:34 BingoBoingo: May short term goal now that I remembered it is a thing is to get spectral pickles to be my favorite food again now that the price has come down 10 fold from the last time I saw them.

01:17:47 BingoBoingo: Also to try these new seasonal ascensions I missed

01:18:15 danielpbarron: my main account was created before ascension rolled out and has never ascended

01:18:31 BingoBoingo: Ah, that was back before I had regular internet access

01:18:39 danielpbarron: 2004ish

01:19:24 danielpbarron: i recently moved into spectral picals

01:19:34 danielpbarron: pickles*; I was previously in ten-leaf-clovers

01:19:49 danielpbarron: april fools rolled around so I made the switch

01:20:04 BingoBoingo: Ah

01:20:06 moiety: see google added btc currency converting to the search box

01:20:13 BingoBoingo: moiety: It did indeed

01:20:34 BingoBoingo: I wonder when Larry and Sergey will come in here groveling for airfare?

01:21:03 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Most of my playing occured in the spectral pickle factory drought

01:23:05 BingoBoingo: reeses: User provided entropy sources http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25859-stem-cell-treatment-causes-nasal-growth-in-womans-back.html Rassah asciilifeform

01:23:06 assbot: Stem cell treatment causes nasal growth in woman's back - health - 08 July 2014 - New Scientist

01:24:42 danielpbarron: the most impressive thing I did in KoL was get the #8 collection of FDKOL Commendations

01:25:20 danielpbarron: unless someone is sitting on a huge pile that they haven't publically displayed, that will never get topped (can't get that item anymore and you can't trade it)

01:27:42 BingoBoingo: I dunno really if I did anything too special

01:29:09 BingoBoingo: I mean last time I really played Kol was before 68749514392093b165be8c9c53df18107748fb18a50f0e4352fce5d0cfe56943

01:29:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00270336 = 2.7034 BTC [+] {7}

01:29:46 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014-info/mh17/mh17.htm << ua mop-up.

01:31:30 danielpbarron: every time I end up playing it again, I end up wasting too much time optimizing my adventures per day and it becomes like a job that doesn't pay

01:32:23 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: The thing to do is get drunk and bank adventures for the next day while actually getting drunk so you pass out

01:32:24 danielpbarron: I'll just leave my spectral pickle pile in my mall store until the price moves up and then use that meat to back MEAT

01:32:34 danielpbarron: yeah I know about that

01:32:39 danielpbarron: it gets way deeper than that

01:33:22 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: What class you play as? I forget.

01:33:31 *: danielpbarron is a pastamancer!

01:33:45 danielpbarron: but classes don't matter so much anymore of you ascend a lot

01:36:52 BingoBoingo: ascending takes a lot longer post NS 13

01:38:07 BingoBoingo: So many lols https://twitter.com/RealCoins

01:38:08 assbot: Real Coins (RealCoins) auf Twitter

01:44:30 BingoBoingo: !up Basquiat_

01:44:34 BingoBoingo: Hello Basquiat_

01:52:32 BingoBoingo: Erik speaks http://moneyandstate.com/reflections-right-privacy-response-nydfs-bitcoin-proposal/

01:52:33 assbot: Erik Voorhees response to NYDFS Bitcoin Proposal

01:54:41 BingoBoingo: http://lists.openwall.net/linux-kernel/2014/07/17/235

01:54:41 assbot: linux-kernel - [PATCH, RFC] random: introduce getrandom(2) system call

01:57:57 dignork: asciilifeform: is hashing random input is inherently a bad idea?

01:58:17 asciilifeform: dignork: consider what a hash (any algo) actually does.

01:59:31 dignork: assume the following scenario, I'm generating random data by throwing dices, but I expect some bias: dices are non-ideal

01:59:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://signor-antonio.livejournal.com/378722.html << flight plan shenanigans

02:00:05 BingoBoingo: dignork: You don't machine and balance your dice at each corner?

02:00:21 asciilifeform: dignork: the correct answer is von neumann's 'fair coin' algorithm.

02:00:56 asciilifeform: gives unbiased output at the potential cost of never terminating (in that case you know for a fact that your entropy source is defective)

02:02:39 dignork: asciilifeform: so compensating bias by hashing a bit more of the dice raw data is a bad idea I guess

02:03:21 asciilifeform: dignork: hash is a good way to close your own eyes on problems with the rng

02:03:29 BingoBoingo: dignork: Turn the six sides into two outcomes 0 and 1, but first make sure the dice balance at the eight corners

02:03:44 asciilifeform: consider sha2(0, sha2(0, sha2(0, ... )))

02:03:57 dignork: BingoBoingo: I'm assuming usage of cheap off-the-shelf dice

02:03:58 asciilifeform: the sequence will pass 'diehard' and whatever tests of 'entropic' you like

02:04:06 asciilifeform: without being the least bit useful cryptographically

02:04:12 asciilifeform: just as, e.g. the digits of 'pi' will.

02:05:04 dignork: asciilifeform: I get it, but if the data is really random with "small" bias, how hashing makes it worse?

02:05:27 BingoBoingo: dignork: The way hashes break is "collisions"

02:05:51 BingoBoingo: You don't get to pick what weaker value might collide without your tronger input

02:06:03 asciilifeform: dignork: two separate issues. one - by papering over the problem. two - hashing introduces a correlation between bits, that may be useful to enemy who devoted serious effort to studying the hash in question.

02:06:49 *: dignork gone away, a bit smarter

02:07:04 asciilifeform: note that that last part is (afaik) discussed - nowhere, by no one.

02:07:10 asciilifeform: don't look for it in the textbooks

02:08:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Roughly spring 2005 that was in a discrete mathematics class I took. Don't remember if in the since resold textbook or not.

02:08:05 dignork: i thought about it, kind of partial reversal in case hash input size is smaller than hash output

02:08:42 *: BingoBoingo was roughly beginning the process of rotting his brain with booze at this point

02:09:24 BingoBoingo: The professor/underDean teaching also had a ~10 year CV black hole...

02:09:27 asciilifeform: rng designers very often succumb to the temptation to 'inflate' their output using a hash

02:09:45 asciilifeform: which is precisely this scenario - input is considerably smaller than out

02:10:21 asciilifeform: even assuming equal sized input and output - consider the set of all possible outputs of, e.g. sha2.

02:10:31 asciilifeform: for a given width of input

02:10:37 BingoBoingo: Professor in question was roughly a reverse Mircea, man dominated by wife

02:11:29 asciilifeform: it is quite possible (for want of a proof, i cannot declare definitively) that certain bitstrings can -never- get spat out

02:12:06 asciilifeform: thus, the set of possible outputs has a 'hole'

02:12:40 asciilifeform: likewise, given that (by design!) a 'cryptographic' hash will be computed in such a way that every bit of the input affects every bit out the output,

02:12:55 asciilifeform: the enemy now knows something about bit N by knowing bit N-k.

02:13:05 asciilifeform: exactly what he knows - i can't say

02:13:13 asciilifeform: but there is a nonzero amount of information conveyed.

02:13:27 asciilifeform: simply by the fact of the hash being in use

02:13:39 assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1KXJQ18.txt )

02:13:39 BingoBoingo: !b 7

02:14:35 asciilifeform: don't accept the above as 'gospel', study the design of a popular traditional hash and see exactly what i'm getting at

02:15:20 asciilifeform: as to how an enemy might proceed to put this hypothesis to actual use, see example of 'satcoin'.

02:15:24 asciilifeform: !s satcoin

02:15:25 assbot: 8 results for 'satcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=satcoin

02:16:16 asciilifeform: (frame the hash operation as a logical 'sat' system, work backwards to exclude regions of possible input state space based on known output bits)

02:18:12 BingoBoingo: So considering the partial UCL tear "No" on either of these bets is very probably free money up to the house edge collision http://bitbet.us/bet/883/masahiro-tanaka-will-win-al-cy-young-award/ http://bitbet.us/bet/739/masahiro-tanaka-wins-more-than-15-games/

02:18:12 assbot: BitBet - Masahiro Tanaka will win AL Cy Young award :: 0.04 B (27%) on Yes, 0.11 B (73%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 69`978 (100`000 to 1)

02:18:12 assbot: BitBet - Masahiro Tanaka wins more than 15 games :: 0.3 B (57%) on Yes, 0.23 B (43%) on No | closing in 2 months 6 days | weight: 27`828 (100`000 to 1)

02:23:38 BingoBoingo: !up AndrewJackson Y u kill Cherokee?

02:24:04 BingoBoingo: Ur basically 'Murcan Hitler AndrewJackson

02:24:26 BingoBoingo: Well, more 'Murican Netanyahu since the Cherokee were tan, but...

02:35:25 AndrewJackson: BingoBoingo - i'm not really Andrewjackson, its just my handle

02:35:57 BingoBoingo: AndrewJackson: Fuck you, that group accounted for like 1/32 of my ancestors

02:36:32 BingoBoingo: Not sure exactly because of cultural norms about breeding age vs. actualuality of the thing

02:43:23 BingoBoingo: %t

02:43:24 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 211 Ask: 242 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 6k High: 210 Low: 210 VWAP: 210

02:43:27 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

02:43:29 gribble: Current Blocks: 311255 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1224 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 47 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18508732489.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.76277

02:43:36 BingoBoingo: %ob

02:43:37 atcbot: 722@279 30k@278 43k@242 | 20k@211 208k@210 200k@202

02:47:46 decimation: asciilifeform: to quote Knuth on the subject: "There is a fairly obvious objection to this technique [using arithmetic operations to acquire random numbers]: How can a sequence generated in such a way be random, since each number is completely determined by its predecessor? The answer is that the sequence isn't random, but it appears to be. In typical applications the actual relationship between one number and its successor has no

02:47:48 decimation: physical significance; hence the nonrandom character is not really undesirable"

02:49:41 BingoBoingo: For anyone contemplating higher than kitchen oven temperatures, but less than barrel fire temperatures: http://www.alpharubicon.com/kids/tandoorpt1pyro.htm http://www.alpharubicon.com/kids/tandoorpt2pyro.htm

02:49:54 decimation: laster: "Sequences generated in a deterministic way such as this are often called pseudoranom or quasirandom sequences in the highbrow technical literature, but in most places of this book we shall simply call them random sequences, with the understanding that they only appear to be random. Being "apparently random" is perhaps all that can be said about any random sequence anyway."

02:50:23 decimation: not terribly satisfactory

02:51:17 BingoBoingo: Some would say that objection is a "political objection"

02:54:19 BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1

02:54:27 Duffer1: ni hao

02:54:40 Duffer1: r u china

02:54:49 Duffer1: :P

02:54:52 BingoBoingo: lol

02:55:21 Duffer1: most of the new parts are here today, case tomorrow

02:55:36 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/489966636279939072

02:56:35 Duffer1: my old comp served me well, she will be missed

02:57:20 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Always

03:02:07 BingoBoingo: Though maybe in the tweet I should have included the canonical form

03:05:06 BingoBoingo: So who here hasn't written a requiem in case "wetware has problems..."

03:05:35 Duffer1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1iecuzMLmo

03:05:35 assbot: gandalf falls one hour - YouTube

03:15:06 benkay: who is this diana_coman?

03:15:14 benkay: ;;gettrust diana_coman

03:15:14 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user diana_coman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=diana_coman | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=diana_coman | Rated since: Tue Mar 26 18:56:33 2013

03:17:25 benkay: wow

03:18:50 BingoBoingo: /me wonders who hasn't written their own requiem

03:20:50 BingoBoingo: Or has papers saying their cadaver has joined the roman church at the moment of death

03:21:29 dub: wat

03:22:17 BingoBoingo: dub: I have vices, my last minutes aren't going to be pretty. I want the mourners at my memorial to feel that.

03:23:48 BingoBoingo: Also you can make the song of wrath in the requiem pretty badass with some power cords, diminished 5th's and ending the whole thing on a suspended seventh...

03:24:09 dub: you'll be dead, what does it matter

03:24:47 benkay: hm this nydfs paper looks like a suicide note from the usg

03:24:57 BingoBoingo: dub: I'll still be a ghost and I'll haunt the shit out of you if you keep up this attitude

03:25:56 BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1

03:29:17 BingoBoingo: Catholicism does a lot of shit wrong like Brock style kiddie diddling, but they do some stuff right like giving the memorial service for the dead a song of wrath

03:38:54 BingoBoingo: !up transfix

03:39:01 BingoBoingo: !up Lycerion

03:39:27 BingoBoingo: !up Luke-Jr

03:39:57 BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: The song of wrath: A cool perk of Catholicism, or so cool it is the only necessary part?

03:42:46 asciilifeform: decimation: the suitability of a number sequence for use as 'cryptographic entropy' is not a mathematical property of the sequence. it is a property of the aggregate of the sequence and the world in which it lives - i.e. whether the sequence is, or can easily become, known to the enemy.

03:43:23 asciilifeform: decimation: to make this clearer: the digits of 'pi' pass every test of 'entropic quality' you can think of. except, naturally, the fact of them being the digits of 'pi.'

03:48:45 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/489980028289961984

03:48:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: those pots:

03:48:55 asciilifeform: ;;google microwave foundry

03:48:55 gribble: How to make a crucible for a microwave foundry - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN8fQoXRyNM; How to make a microwave foundry part 2 - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwVTLdk5QwM; Microwave melting of metals - Talisman: https://www.talisman.org/~erlkonig/misc/microwave-metal-casting.html

03:49:08 asciilifeform: ^ similar design

03:50:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To tell you the truth what I really want to do is synthetic corundrum in my back yard

03:54:37 BingoBoingo: !up tych0

03:57:50 dub: http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000003007434/intercepted-audio-of-ukraine-separatists.html?smid=tw-nytimesworld

03:57:50 assbot: Intercepted Audio of Ukraine Separatists - Video - NYTimes.com

03:57:54 dub: dat oh shi- moment

03:57:59 decimation: \

04:00:35 BingoBoingo: !up chax

04:01:19 *: BingoBoingo marvels over how common aluminum oxides are and yet how coveted particular tained aluminum oxides are

04:04:52 asciilifeform: decimation: knuth was, in fact, wrong. there are inadequacies in a pseudorandom sequence of whatever variety that do not concern cryptography at all. see, for example, this - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574674

04:04:53 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

04:08:39 dub: BingoBoingo: related thinkg floated past my twitter feed http://kidsactivitiesblog.com/9140/mummification-lets-mummify-barbie

04:08:39 assbot: Mummification: Let's Mummify Barbie! - Kids Activities Blog

04:09:07 *: BingoBoingo has mixed feelings. would like to see if pcp give asciilifeform further practical paranoia or takes him over the edge

04:09:28 *: asciilifeform hasn't tried, generally works sober

04:11:12 *: BingoBoingo still believs in "Balmer Coefficient" even if Ballmer hasn't hit it himself in decades.

04:12:04 BingoBoingo: dub: I am horrified at that lapse. You can't rightly mummify things that never lived.

04:16:13 dub: china brings teh science https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsyt5ZrCAAEDBPT.jpg

04:16:29 dub: (official party twitter acct)

04:16:38 BingoBoingo: dub: OMG 7 is te new 4!!!

04:18:14 dub: and if you fold a 20 yuan note in 3 and holt it upside down maos nose looks like a 7

04:21:28 dub: also teh cure for aids was on that flight

04:22:13 dub: and 7 is the gayest number

04:23:14 BingoBoingo: I thought <-8 was the gayest number

04:24:00 dignork: numerlogy - extreme facepalm http://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/in-extremis-bodies-with-no-regret-sandro-giordano-9.jpg

04:27:36 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

04:46:42 jborkl: Thank you

04:47:40 BingoBoingo: You are welcome jborkl

04:49:19 jborkl: So how is the mpex rebuild progressing?

04:55:19 BingoBoingo: Seems to be going from MP's reports... Just the pain of rebuilding and robusting at the same time is a further necessary pain

04:59:07 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

04:59:09 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 626.89, Best ask: 626.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 626.89, 24 hour volume: 4729.62277386, 24 hour low: 610.0, 24 hour high: 629.0, 24 hour vwap: 619.870745689

05:35:01 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/490006684354355200

05:35:45 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/17/beware-the-source-or-the-festering-of-innovation-maybe-even-of-song-of-natures-wrath-but-who-really-knows-so-stfu/

05:40:47 BingoBoingo: So... mircea_popescu offers camgirls 0.1 BTC for tits, I offer lawsky 0.01 for sharpie in the pooper

05:41:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 64 @ 0.17409562 = 11.1421 BTC [-] {16}

05:49:06 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Link to http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html on #b-a site is broken because benkay kills blawgs

05:49:06 assbot: 404 Not Found

05:52:23 BingoBoingo: !up bayareacoins

05:52:42 BingoBoingo: !up smidge

05:54:14 bayareacoins: Thanks man

05:54:29 BingoBoingo: You're welcome

05:54:54 bayareacoins: How is your day going? Anything fun and exciting or just another day in the neighborhood?

05:55:15 BingoBoingo: Just drunk as fuck and shat out a new blawg post

05:55:36 bayareacoins: Niceeee whatcha drinking on?

05:56:25 BingoBoingo: bayareacoins: Grain alcohol and distilled water. POE

05:56:28 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/DoubleEmMartin/status/489934497434308608

05:57:13 bayareacoins: If you ever need a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle or anything similar to that let me know and I can probably beat markets price

05:57:36 BingoBoingo: WFT is Pappy van winkle???

05:58:00 bayareacoins: Small batch bourbon. Best bourbon in the universe good sir.

05:58:20 BingoBoingo: And how does it advance my goal of purity of essence. Simple mix of ETOH and H2O

05:59:13 BingoBoingo: Ruskies just shot down a plane of CIA aids inventors https://twitter.com/DoubleEmMartin/status/489945991949594624 have to start cleansing nao.

05:59:46 bayareacoins: If you have to ask then you probably don't need to know :D Just know if you ever do want a bottle of Pappy hit me up :)

06:00:10 bayareacoins: Now that you heard about it tonight I bet you hear about it at least twice more this week. Generally how it works

06:00:41 BingoBoingo: I actually prefer the standards. Distilled liqour is an area where the scaling up tends to produce more consistent quality.

06:01:08 bayareacoins: lol

06:01:36 bayareacoins: These are $2000 bottles + . They only bottle 3000 23yr's on the years they do bottle.

06:02:39 BingoBoingo: And if I am in a Whiskey mood how does $2000 for moonshine beat General Grant's favorite old corw at the low end or moiety's people at the high end?

06:03:03 bayareacoins: You've seen $2000 moonshine before?

06:03:18 bayareacoins: I'm from the Ozarks and have never seen that :D

06:05:10 bayareacoins: BingoBoingo good sir, you have a wonderful night. I'm off to holler at this chick and then pass out.

06:05:16 BingoBoingo: bayareacoins: That's part of the problem with the price point. I've drank small batch hillbilly made and aged moonshine. Scarcity for its own sake does not guarentee a premium product

06:05:24 BingoBoingo: lol

06:05:53 bayareacoins: You're out of your element Donny :D google Pappy Van Winkle. Gnight :D

06:07:43 BingoBoingo: I have a feeling the natural end to this debate would be similar to Mircea's debate about wines

06:08:33 BingoBoingo: Trying to jsut artificially up the price is an LVHM sort of scam

06:13:11 dub: there is the small matter of aesthetics

06:18:31 BingoBoingo: dub: Aethetics is a large matter

06:19:21 BingoBoingo: Whiskey can only get so good in Kentucky and Wild Turkey and Knobb Creek own that niche. To get better you need Wisky from Scotland.

06:30:43 dub: im not going to argue but I know people who would

06:32:36 dignork: BingoBoingo: why do you assume that killswitch opportunity is over (your link to loper)?

06:33:09 BingoBoingo: dignork: Nash Equilibrium

06:34:00 dignork: at the time of writing balance was different?

06:35:13 BingoBoingo: Well compare pub dates.

06:37:48 dignork: 2 years ago, gox is dead, large holders still exist, potential of dropping price to near zero is still there

06:40:13 BingoBoingo: Dropping to near zero on Stamp et al is still possible, but... Actual drop to near zero isn't possible...

06:40:18 BingoBoingo: Not anymore

06:40:49 dignork: ;;market sell 100000

06:40:49 gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 10818261.1549 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 108.1826 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 39.6821 seconds

06:41:57 BingoBoingo: And who other than a govenment would survive doing such a sell on stamp to colelct their fiat after the Bitstamp anal probe?

06:43:35 dignork: tbh, i don't think that short price drop would kill the system, but I still don't see how today is different from 2012

06:44:07 BingoBoingo: Well, how much BTC does Usagi or Dank control atm?

06:44:50 dignork: dunno, 10k?

06:44:54 BingoBoingo: Honestly that change was what made $100/BTC possible

06:45:04 BingoBoingo: Nah, maybe together they control 15

06:46:04 dignork: So them loosing btc, makes killswitch impossible?

06:47:03 BingoBoingo: Well, it makes it harder that dude who can't sell his guitar and dude who can't sell his bike no longer have BTC to sell

06:47:42 BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1

06:48:37 BingoBoingo: dignork: That people who hold BTC now are capable of buying more if it goes down instead of crying makes a big difference.

07:42:28 mircea_popescu: assbot: Stem cell treatment causes nasal growth in woman's back - health - 08 July 2014 - New Scientist << lmao

07:44:17 mircea_popescu: dignork: i thought about it, kind of partial reversal in case hash input size is smaller than hash output << you have to look into rainbow tables. try something easy and well studied like md5

07:44:48 mircea_popescu: by the time you've got a few tbs of rainbow tables you generally also have a good enough understanding of why exactly whitening doesn't do much.

07:50:21 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation you'll have to bear in mind knuth was interested in randomness from the perspective of scientific simulation, not from the perspective of cryptography (a topic he never reasearched or to any degree understood)

07:50:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:50:55 mircea_popescu: benkay http://fraudsters.com/2010/azi-nu-se-sarbatoreste-nimic/#comment-17112

07:50:56 assbot: Azi nu se sarbatoreste nimic pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

07:52:24 mircea_popescu: jborkl: So how is the mpex rebuild progressing? << slowly.

08:36:52 mircea_popescu: !up Madeline

08:42:26 mircea_popescu: !up mrX_

08:42:46 mrX_: ty

08:45:14 mircea_popescu: yw. so who are you ?

08:45:33 mrX_: BitBet user

08:45:38 mircea_popescu: cool.

08:47:04 Madeline: how do I get gribble to authorize me?

08:47:20 mrX_: I wonder if BitBet has anything to say about how they are refusing to resolve this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/

08:47:20 assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 3 weeks 8 hours ago

08:47:26 mircea_popescu: Madeline are you registered ?

08:47:48 pankkake: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

08:47:48 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

08:47:50 mircea_popescu: mrX_ waiting for teh usms to come up with the winning bid.

08:47:56 Madeline: I'm going to say no

08:48:24 mircea_popescu: Madeline then folow pankkake's link

08:48:30 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/#c3498 lol I love the anonymous comments of BitBet

08:48:30 assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 3 weeks 8 hours ago

08:48:45 mircea_popescu: pankkake it's almost like 4chan pre-cancer.

08:48:49 Madeline: awesome, thank you!

08:49:19 mrX_: trolls will be trolls

08:50:13 pankkake: I hope we eventually know though, refunds are no fun

08:50:22 fluffypony: I don't get why that bet is an issue

08:50:24 pankkake: I'm not sure they realize bitbet takes the fee anyways

08:50:26 fluffypony: the price hasn't been released

08:50:45 mircea_popescu: fluffypony new people.

08:50:50 pankkake: they consider it won't ever be?

08:51:02 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinhtx

08:51:14 fluffypony: pankkake: as far as I'm aware there have been a bunch of FOIA requests submitted, so it will be made public

08:51:29 mircea_popescu: fluffypony wouldn';t be the first time the usg ignores the us law.

08:51:42 fluffypony: that's true, but then we wait for the FOIA requests to be rejected

08:51:51 mircea_popescu: well ya

08:51:52 pankkake: what are the typical delays for this?

08:51:58 fluffypony: pankkake: around a month

08:52:07 mircea_popescu: pankkake legally required to answer within 30 days.

08:52:22 pankkake: wow, well. it's pretty clear it's best to wait

08:52:29 mircea_popescu: and to think tho, this was going to be such a sweet psych op. they had it all planned and shit. and nao...

08:52:46 mircea_popescu: cowering behind desks, can't even say what the grandiose auction closed for.

08:53:06 fluffypony: maybe they've been asked not to release the price

08:53:09 fluffypony: by the winner

08:53:12 mircea_popescu: a few moar victories like this and teh usg won't need any defeats.

08:55:29 pankkake: what, you think there's an organized conspiracy or something?

08:55:46 Madeline: I came here to draw something on my tits from this post - http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/

08:55:48 assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

08:55:56 mircea_popescu: pankkake yes. they were going to announce it originally. but then...

08:56:03 mircea_popescu: Madeline link to your prev work ?

08:56:44 pankkake: I wasn't aware of any promise to make the price public

08:58:29 Madeline: http://vidble.com/album/dUG1p0JH

08:58:30 assbot: Vidble

08:59:18 Madeline: http://i.imgur.com/yaC1lNR.jpg

08:59:53 mircea_popescu: Madeline got anything where you're a) nude and b) it's not a grainy 320x200 px ?

09:02:06 mrX_: I would be surprised if they made the price public any time soon

09:02:16 mircea_popescu: mrX_ whyssat ?

09:02:47 mrX_: Typical government

09:03:08 mrX_: Only releasing things when forced

09:03:34 pankkake: but that's what the FOIA requests are for right?

09:05:53 Madeline: Well, I just started getting naked on the internet in the last 48 hours, sooooo... not yet! BUUUUT... I'm ready to break out the DSLR and bestow upon you the gifts of my HD nakedness.

09:06:19 BigBitz: Hmm.

09:06:23 BigBitz: when did we become -camwhores, mircea_popescu?

09:07:01 mircea_popescu: !up Madeline

09:07:30 mircea_popescu: Madeline aite, put 6bb91297 on your tits and shoot it then. here's your model : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2014#744684 and mind that if you don't match her you're not getting paid.

09:07:31 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

09:07:45 mircea_popescu: BigBitz nothin' wrong with a bit o' fresh tit is there.

09:08:03 BigBitz: There is not..... there certainly is not.

09:08:13 mrX_: I suppose. I'll give government credit if they do, but I wouldn't be surprised if they deny it as privileged financial information.

09:09:05 mircea_popescu: mrX_ as what ?

09:09:13 pankkake: Madeline: related to your previous questions about gribble, registering and completing the task will likely get you a trust rating

09:09:30 punkman1: did any other girls show their face or just saffron?

09:09:38 pankkake: like that: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=sexy_saffron&sign=ANY&type=RECV

09:09:38 assbot: Rating Details for User 'sexy_saffron'

09:09:44 mircea_popescu: punkman1 working to improve the qualityt of camwhork

09:09:48 punkman1: bunch of wannabes

09:10:12 pankkake: since it was posted on reddit where many don't, it's not surprising

09:10:25 pankkake: (and don't do that for a living either)

09:10:26 mircea_popescu: buncha wannabes

09:10:37 mircea_popescu: pankkake saffron was off reddit

09:10:44 punkman1: plenty of pros on reddit I'd say

09:10:52 mircea_popescu: all kinds.

09:10:55 mircea_popescu: mixed bag of all time.

09:11:46 Madeline: i'll definitely register after I complete my picture challenge... this shit is really cool.

09:12:06 mircea_popescu: what do you do other than strippin' ?

09:13:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.0027 = 1.35 BTC [-]

09:14:40 Madeline: Am I really "stripping?" I feel like that technically requires a linear timelines of clothing removal while dancing... I'm just starting straight from naked.

09:14:51 mircea_popescu: well w/e you'd call it.

09:17:24 punkman1: coupla girls saw me reading the pay-for-your-tits post, first question "do I have to show my face or just tits?"

09:17:35 mircea_popescu: yes.

09:17:40 BigBitz: do we have tits yet?

09:17:46 fluffypony: BigBitz: we have bitz

09:17:49 *: fluffypony makes a punny

09:17:52 BigBitz: :)

09:18:18 Madeline: Well, aside from being NAKED, I'm going to level up this cliche with COLLEGE STUDENT! Go team!

09:18:26 BigBitz: hmm we have a smart one then... using words like loinera and understanding them.

09:18:32 BigBitz: err linear.

09:18:37 mircea_popescu: Madeline lmao.

09:18:39 mircea_popescu: studying what ?

09:18:47 mircea_popescu: (social sciences)

09:18:48 punkman1: I told them "what you wanna be like the 100 other shy reddit girls, forget it"

09:18:54 BigBitz: ( home ec )

09:19:32 mircea_popescu: punkman1 word.

09:19:46 punkman1: maybe I should recruit next time I'm at the nude beach

09:20:14 BigBitz: bring Tits.

09:20:25 mircea_popescu: punkman1 good idea.

09:24:29 BigBitz: I am still seeing no tits... ping timeout... ffs.

09:25:51 mircea_popescu: !up yuckfou

09:28:29 mircea_popescu: !up madeline

09:28:47 mircea_popescu: madeline http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2014#760554

09:28:48 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

09:29:23 madeline: sorry, my internet exploded and then put itself back together...

09:30:48 BigBitz: So... Tits then?

09:32:08 madeline: tits are coming... I've been busy answering questions about my LIFE to internet strangers because i missed the school house rock episode about not doing that.

09:32:22 mircea_popescu: oic.

09:32:41 mircea_popescu: we're all internet famous here, so no strangers.

09:34:48 BigBitz: I'm not famous.

09:35:04 mircea_popescu: well except you.

09:35:45 punkman1: everyone gets a minute of fame on the internets

09:37:11 punkman1: story time: I was at this remote beach camping with a dozen other people. Family shows up one morning via boat and sets up tents nearby. After a few hours Old Man approaches us and is like "hey guys can you put away all the dongs, we got kids here" while not being able to take his eyes off all the perky titties splashing in the water.

09:37:39 mircea_popescu: lol

09:37:55 mircea_popescu: sooo... "hpow about you park your kids somewhere els then" ?

09:38:32 punkman1: they had unpacked two boatfuls of crap already, too much work

09:39:19 BigBitz: So the way I read that is you were running around with your dong out and other guys had their dongs out.

09:39:25 punkman1: sure

09:39:53 punkman1: are you scared of dongs BigBitz?

09:40:05 BigBitz: No bro.

09:40:24 mircea_popescu: well he's not famous, so...

09:42:33 pankkake: to my French ears, your nick sounds like big ding dong

09:44:46 punkman1: I just don't get this whole "my kid will be scarred for life if he lays eyes upon some genitals"

09:44:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, worst part of remote camping with a dozen other people

09:45:03 mircea_popescu: is that one of those people will be late

09:45:09 mircea_popescu: and everyone will have forgotten the pee tests

09:45:15 mircea_popescu: and hysteria.

09:45:17 punkman1: lol

09:45:44 BigBitz: do we have tits yet?

09:45:51 mircea_popescu: dude what's your urgency

09:46:04 BigBitz: Boredom?

09:46:10 BigBitz: Expectance?

09:46:11 mircea_popescu: tits are on bitbet.

09:46:29 BigBitz: Trying to distract myself from my real work.

09:46:40 punkman1: need tits to take mind off silk road auction bitbet

09:46:46 mircea_popescu: must suck not to be famous and having to work

09:59:05 mircea_popescu: !up madeline

10:01:47 moiety: morning all http://vimeo.com/93400363

10:01:48 assbot: Puzzles for Postmen on Vimeo

10:01:55 moiety: !up RedStallion

10:08:04 fluffypony: moiety! you're alive!

10:09:34 moiety: fluffypony: I am! I have been, i just wasnt very well so i was reading logs more. How are you?

10:09:47 fluffypony: I'm ok

10:09:51 fluffypony: how is the sex weeks flat?

10:10:50 moiety: lovely! I got some plants because they were half dying and they've perked up :D how's the flash drive? do you use the keyring?

10:11:06 madeline: almost done

10:13:05 moiety: i've had a ploshay-esque face recently, had a tooth out and took a reaction. hamster-look was inescapable

10:13:48 pankkake: :D

10:14:34 fluffypony: moiety: I haven't used the key ring, but flash drive is awesome - thank you :)

10:25:32 moiety: yvw fluffypony

10:25:35 moiety: hi Vexual

10:25:45 Vexual: hi

10:25:55 moiety: how's things?

10:26:35 Vexual: not too shabby

10:27:52 Vexual: did you set up shop?

10:31:00 Vexual: !up madeline

10:31:08 madeline: okay i have finished!

10:31:13 madeline: TITS ARE READY

10:32:33 moiety: Vexual: i'm still looking at materials, had too much else on

10:32:45 moiety: yay good stuff madeline :]

10:33:43 madeline: sooo... what do I do next

10:34:04 madeline: is there a countdown... a parade...

10:34:06 fluffypony: you upload it and post the link here

10:34:34 madeline: but i wanted a parade first

10:35:03 moiety: o rest assured we're parading

10:35:08 cazalla: looks like i put mario kart down at the right time

10:35:46 madeline: http://vidble.com/oGYGiuvbKu.jpg

10:36:20 mircea_popescu: lol nuts.

10:36:24 mircea_popescu: madeline your bitcoin address ?

10:37:05 cazalla: ah fuck

10:37:10 madeline: 1GhyE6ec2iWzNbZrLnDCM1UJZcWZwAmMnp

10:37:18 cazalla: my old school teacher was on MH17

10:37:22 cazalla: http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2426898/kanahooka-couple-among-those-lost-on-mh17-flight/?cs=298

10:37:24 assbot: Kanahooka couple among those lost on MH17 flight | Illawarra Mercury

10:37:47 mircea_popescu: enjoy.

10:38:28 madeline: thanks dad

10:38:34 BigBitz: damn, cazalla :(

10:39:00 cazalla: yeah :\ I had him in primary school, like year 4 or 5

10:39:16 BigBitz: Awful news. :(

10:39:22 moiety: sorry to hear cazalla, it's really tragic

10:39:27 cazalla: ah i don't really care

10:39:49 moiety: i didn't know anyone on the flight and i kinda do

10:39:50 BigBitz: why 6bb9 1297 or whatever?

10:40:17 pankkake: BigBitz: this was answered before, but maybe you can guess

10:40:32 pankkake: tip: it might depend on your IRC client settings

10:40:42 BigBitz: Hmm.

10:41:31 BigBitz: No idea, pankkake.

10:43:01 pankkake: it's the random id assigned by webchat, you see it in the join line for example

10:44:29 madeline: can i ask a question, or do I have to leave now that i've given up the goods?

10:44:56 cazalla: stay

10:45:33 fluffypony: you don't have to ask to ask, just ask :)

10:45:43 chetty: make an account, hang around :)

10:45:45 Vexual: hey she asked

10:46:05 pankkake: you're more than welcome to stay - and register

10:49:12 madeline: well, it's more than one question actually... how did you all find each other? do you any of you each other in real life? what is the purpose of this particular chat group? how many people are pantsless, but still wearing socks right now?

10:49:57 chetty: lo, nice questions

10:50:57 madeline: *do any of you know each other in real life?

10:51:09 pankkake: some do

10:51:35 madeline: i ez rel gooodz at zee tiepeen

10:52:28 pankkake: I'm at work and fully clothed, thank god for the air conditioning though

10:53:09 fluffypony: I've gotten semi-sober with xmj at the Depeche Mode bar in Tallinn, Estonia

10:53:12 dub: pants and two pair socks here

10:53:22 Vexual: shit it's hotter there than here pankakke

10:53:24 dub: fucking 3c outside

10:53:53 pankkake: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/05/02/yo-bitcoin-assets-i-put-contrarianism-in-your-contrarianism/

10:53:54 assbot: Yo #bitcoin-assets, I put contrarianism in your contrarianism | pankkake

10:54:01 chetty: many of the people here have met at various conf.

10:54:37 madeline: pankkake: what area of the planet are in the vicinity of?

10:55:03 madeline: because it's the middle of the night where i am... so i assume you're at least half a planet away

10:55:12 pankkake: I'm in France

10:55:19 pankkake: unrelated: https://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001512.html

10:55:19 assbot: Financial Cryptography: Casebook for a disaster: google's BebaPay and why it is wrong, wrong, wrong

10:56:25 Vexual: where are you from madeline?

10:57:57 mircea_popescu: madeline http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ start there

10:57:58 assbot: The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

10:57:59 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/JiAzPyb.gif - how to park

10:59:21 mircea_popescu: lol fluffypony

11:00:39 madeline: california

11:01:12 Vexual: i was guessing hawaii, but i guess im just being pedantic

11:02:14 chetty: !up madeline

11:03:58 madeline: i wish i was in Hawaii

11:07:42 moiety: https://soundcloud.com/ryan-block-10/comcastic-service

11:07:42 assbot: Comcastic service disconnection by ryan.block on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds

11:13:21 madeline: so most of you work on bitcoin related endeavors?

11:13:48 mircea_popescu: an' that's all for me. laters.

11:14:40 pankkake: http://moneyandstate.com/reflections-right-privacy-response-nydfs-bitcoin-proposal/

11:14:41 assbot: Erik Voorhees response to NYDFS Bitcoin Proposal

11:16:38 Vexual: fucking giuliani

11:17:36 pankkake: madeline: some do, I don't know about most

11:22:01 madeline: that's a great article, or "reflection" rather... thanks for sharing

11:22:27 kakobrekla: while reddit "is this a good thing ??"

11:22:29 kakobrekla: lel

11:26:29 pankkake: both reddit and bitcointalk though regulation will be here to help them

11:27:03 pankkake: thought

11:27:42 pankkake: for months it was all about some "JOBS" act

11:28:01 pankkake: what do they think, that the bitcoin securities exchange would be allowed as is?

11:32:26 pankkake: !up madeline

11:32:26 dub: so don't transact wiht americans?

11:32:42 Vexual: they'll learn

11:32:48 dub: vorhees is tool and what the fuck i swrong with that font?

11:33:26 Vexual: he writes well

11:33:44 pankkake: http://moneyandstate.com/role-bitcoin-money/ this is a good intro to bitcoin actually

11:33:45 assbot: The Role of Bitcoin as Money - Money and State

11:34:13 dub: he writes like an entitled teenager

11:38:44 dub: feels like im reading an episode of scooby doo

11:40:16 Vexual: thats the worst analogy ever; ther is not a single mystery in it

11:42:15 kakobrekla: lol

11:42:31 chetty: <dub> so don't transact wiht americans?//thats about the size of it

11:43:19 dub: im srsly not seeing much downside here

11:43:53 dub: they are increasingly irrelevant and, god willing, wont be around much longer anyway

11:44:22 chetty: but they splash a lot going down

11:47:38 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo link updated ;)

12:15:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 197 @ 0.00267 = 0.526 BTC [-] {2}

12:16:45 Vexual: hey tat

12:17:45 Vexual: went you once capitalised?

12:17:58 thickasthieves: yeah i decided to see if it was case-sens

12:18:00 thickasthieves: it's not

12:18:31 thickasthieves: hehe /r/buttcoin now has "sponsored by Butterfly Labs" on it

12:19:48 fluffypony: lol

12:21:56 thickasthieves: http://moneyandstate.com/reflections-right-privacy-response-nydfs-bitcoin-proposal/

12:21:57 assbot: Erik Voorhees response to NYDFS Bitcoin Proposal

12:22:35 thickasthieves: sry if linked already, havent read yesterday's log yet

12:22:50 Vexual: pankakke linked that not half an hour ago

12:23:13 thickasthieves: fukn florida electricity was all spotty yesterday so i got tired of re-authing over and over

12:23:14 pankkake: I was surprised it wasn't posted earlier though

12:24:01 thickasthieves: i was hoping mp would write something up on the matter

12:26:32 chetty: thickasthieves, its just more muricans digging their own grave

12:27:52 thickasthieves: maybe

12:28:20 Vexual: learning

12:30:48 thickasthieves: processing

12:41:06 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxuHQPMD7AE

13:04:05 thickasthieves: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/07/17/331737485/young-scientists-say-theyre-sexually-abused-in-the-field

13:04:05 assbot: Young Scientists Say They're Sexually Abused In The Field : Shots - Health News : NPR

13:08:06 Vexual: fucking giuliani

13:09:14 thickasthieves: Can Rudy Giuliani Rescue Uber? The ridesharing app’s drivers have variously been accused of rape, kidnapping, and abuse. Now it’s bringing in the former New York City mayor to audit its background check process.

13:09:49 Vexual: shit, the world really is cukoo

13:13:03 jurov: they shoud start to abduct kids, too

13:13:18 jurov: and public indecencies

13:13:19 pankkake: he said kidnapping

13:13:32 jurov: but afaik not children

13:13:36 jurov: yet

13:13:49 pankkake: kid

13:13:52 pankkake: napping

13:13:57 pankkake: no?

13:14:09 Vexual: what about the state licensed taxi drivers?

13:14:29 pankkake: they're Regulated, thus can do no wrong

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13:15:25 jurov: pankkake exactly.

13:15:29 chetty: didn't you guys know, unregulated = evil

13:18:35 thickasthieves: is there any good writing on why money laundering shouldnt be illegal or similar ideas?

13:22:23 chetty: should be a good topic with all the good(bad) examples of what goes wrong with bad law, everything from prohibition to the drug war

13:23:35 chetty: and the gubermint laments about the poor 'unbanked' while banks get harder and harder ...

13:23:57 thickasthieves: harder?

13:24:19 thickasthieves: (unclear what you meant)

13:24:49 pankkake: perhaps they don't like the unbanked because they don't like cash

13:24:53 chetty: well all the kyc and aml rules make it harder for people to get 'banked' (not saying thats a bad thing)

13:26:50 thickasthieves: oic

13:27:00 thickasthieves: it is a bad thing

13:27:35 thickasthieves: money should be more private

13:28:28 chetty: http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/new-underground-economy

13:28:28 assbot: New Underground Economy | Cato Institute

13:28:57 thickasthieves: i'd like to also see some stats on organized crime and terrorism stopped thanks to AML

13:29:05 thickasthieves: Know Your Terroist

13:30:45 chetty: much of the real burden of these compliance costs will fall on those least able to afford it, while those intent on finding their way around it will do so.

13:31:49 chetty: that statement strikes me as the real crux of the issue

13:32:18 thickasthieves: http://www.banktech.com/compliance/aml-and-ofac-compliance-straining-banksand-8217-budgets-study-finds/d/d-id/1296474?

13:32:21 assbot: AML and OFAC Compliance Straining Banks’ Budgets, Study Finds | Bank Systems & Technology

13:32:41 pankkake: it's just about taxes

13:33:03 chetty: taxes and control

13:33:04 Vexual: tru dat

13:33:18 thickasthieves: maybe they should simplify taxes

13:33:32 thickasthieves: just pay a fukn citizenship monthly fee or some shit

13:33:51 Vexual: your everyday highsteeet banj is sgit at tax stuff

13:34:08 chetty: too many people making too much money out of current system

13:36:36 pankkake: if taxes were simple, people would realize how much they pay

13:36:49 pankkake: I can tell you most Frenchies have no idea they pay >50% a year, yet do

13:37:08 thickasthieves: "Some might argue that developing economies cannot afford to be too selective about the sources of capital they attract. But postponing action is dangerous. The more it is deferred, the more entrenched organised crime can become." This is from a pro-AML article, but it's interesting if you take it out of context to mean any entity (incl government)

13:38:36 Vexual: i just saw that bhangladesi banker on bloberg today

13:38:41 thickasthieves: http://www.irs.gov/uac/Statistical-Data-Money-Laundering-&-Bank-Secrecy-Act-(BSA)

13:38:41 assbot: Statistical Data - Money Laundering & Bank Secrecy Act (BSA)

13:39:12 Vexual: his stats were impeccible and he accepted 0 bullshit

13:39:31 thickasthieves: So AML gets 800 criminals per year and about 6 years in prison ea

13:39:32 thickasthieves: lol

13:41:09 Vexual: bhangladesh waterfront is buy

13:41:36 thickasthieves: A couple more reports for anyone interested:

13:41:38 thickasthieves: http://www.verisconsulting.com/documents/brochures/the%20global%20cost%20of%20anti-money%20laundering%20compliance.pdf

13:41:43 thickasthieves: https://www.kpmg.com/Global/en/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/global-anti-money-laundering-survey/Documents/global-anti-money-laundering-survey-v3.pdf

13:42:20 thickasthieves: seems the industry is mostly focusing on automating

13:43:14 thickasthieves: costs rising 50% per year to comply

13:46:00 thickasthieves: "Despite increased investment in transaction monitoring systems, satisfaction has declined. Although transaction monitoring systems continue to represent the greatest area of AML spending, it appears that regulatory requirements are still outpacing system improvements"

13:46:01 Vexual: too long, reasonable steps is all you need

13:47:18 chetty: all that compliance simply drives more and more into underground economy

13:47:24 thickasthieves: "Seventy percent of respondents stated that they had received a regulatory visit which focused on KYC"

13:52:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 333 @ 0.00267 = 0.8891 BTC [-]

13:54:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00265 = 1.325 BTC [-]

13:56:04 thickasthieves: hmm will NFLX bleed more today, or Monday after earnings report?

13:56:21 thickasthieves: almost time to cover this short

14:04:50 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyujOSEexM

14:14:29 pankkake: http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/07/18/071232

14:14:30 assbot: SoylentNews | Fake TSA Screener Infiltrates SFO Checkpoints, Gropes Women

14:17:33 Vexual: i wonder how many pocket knices he stole

14:20:04 thickasthieves: logs were worth it

14:21:50 Vexual: all those brie wheels saved

14:24:52 thickasthieves: Save The Wheels

14:24:53 jurov: http://sw.gurroa.cz/pic/mys-nadro.jpg

14:25:27 thickasthieves: surprise, it's a man boob!

14:37:27 fluffypony: https://www.virusbtn.com/virusbulletin/archive/2014/07/vb201407-Mayhem

14:37:29 assbot: Virus Bulletin : Mayhem a hidden threat for *nix web servers

14:37:47 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUgOtitc7aU patiently awaiting the bitcoin album

14:38:18 thickasthieves: Vexual, you heard the new Freddie Gibbs?

14:38:26 Vexual: no, link it

14:38:45 thickasthieves: fukn instant cl;assic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj39POBr-OU

14:38:45 assbot: Freddie Gibbs & Madlib - Shitsville (Official) - Piata - YouTube

14:39:48 thickasthieves: there're several cool songs on it

14:40:46 thickasthieves: i got the vinyl

14:40:53 Vexual: noice

14:41:21 pankkake: gyeah nigga, shit's real

14:41:29 Vexual: lol

14:41:41 Vexual: bb gonna email snoop now tho

14:43:03 Vexual: wax on drone

14:45:22 thickasthieves: Gais! Storj IPO today!

14:45:41 thickasthieves: watch people lose their bitcoins live: http://storj.io/crowdsale

14:45:42 assbot: Storj - The Crowdsale

14:46:23 Vexual: what is that?

14:46:45 thickasthieves: crowd storage scheme using cryptcoin tech

14:47:04 Vexual: le ponzo?

14:47:25 thickasthieves: basically you buy credits with bitcoin, then in a month the price for credits plummets when people realize how expensive it is in bitcoin

14:47:29 Vexual: or blatant theft?

14:48:04 Vexual: to what sipposed end?

14:48:11 thickasthieves: neither, they are shorting their credit value

14:48:25 Vexual: ghash w/o the mining?

14:48:31 thickasthieves: lol

14:48:33 thickasthieves: sure

14:50:42 pankkake: so it's another maidsafe?

14:51:19 pankkake: it is :/

14:52:00 Vexual: selling somet you can;t probide is theft where im from

14:53:50 thickasthieves: i'm not sure they wont provide, but they obv have their priorities set to getting dat bitcoin now

14:54:17 thickasthieves: oh btw, did i mention developers are keeping half the credits for themselves too?

14:55:17 thickasthieves: "Just three days after opening for business, Seattle's only weed retailer, Cannabis City, announced that its entire inventory had sold out."

14:55:49 thickasthieves: "In a legal market, retail producers and sellers should possess an advantage over the black market," Paul Armentano, deputy director of NORML, said in an email. "They should not be placed at a disadvantage because of the need to comply with unnecessary regulations or egregious taxation."

14:56:21 FabianB: $status

14:56:24 empyex: FabianB: Proxies: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ http://mpex.co/ MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)

14:56:24 assbot: 401 Authorization Required

15:00:54 thickasthieves: RIP MPEx, we hardly knew ye

15:00:54 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9VQye6P8k0

15:01:50 pankkake: but but http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/

15:01:50 assbot: BitBet - And Then There Was One :: 7.59 B (56%) on Yes, 6.04 B (44%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 weeks | weight: 33`064 (100`000 to 1)

15:02:11 thickasthieves: should say MPEx instead

15:05:54 FabianB: so should i move over to havelock? ;)

15:10:23 thickasthieves: http://www.pfhub.com/new-virtual-currency-inncoin-is-backed-by-gold-and-ready-to-take-down-bitcoin-950/

15:10:24 assbot: New virtual currency INNCoin is backed by gold and ready to take down bitcoin

15:10:49 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYS732zyYfU

15:11:21 Vexual: bitcoin is backed by computers

15:12:14 chetty: Mpex will be back ...

15:12:14 thickasthieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/07/18/new-czech-virtual-currency-launched/?mod=MarketsMain

15:12:15 assbot: Czech Republic Gets Its Own Virtual Currency - MoneyBeat - WSJ

15:12:20 thickasthieves: auroracoin 2.0

15:12:37 thickasthieves: why WSJ gives these scams attention, no idea

15:12:54 chetty: desperate for news?

15:13:00 pankkake: there have been many auroracoins

15:13:02 Vexual: bitcoin prolly had huge volume today and noone knows

15:13:04 thickasthieves: 'The central bank said the name of the virtual currency resembles the English translation of Česká koruna, the official Czech currency, and therefore was “unfortunate and misleading.”'

15:13:34 thickasthieves: Czech Central Bank sounds quite timid

15:13:58 thickasthieves: oh you are tricking people by creating a deceptive currency? that's unfortunate

15:14:43 Vexual: were you tricked into atrting altcoin?

15:14:53 Vexual: *starting

15:15:12 thickasthieves: i was incited at least

15:16:00 Vexual: tricking is different

15:19:12 thickasthieves: i wrote to the WSJ author to explain that he is shilling

15:23:48 Vexual: at least he's not spammin the chan with hewtube

15:27:32 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/33M7F2H.txt )

15:27:32 pankkake: !b 2

15:27:50 Vexual: good bash sir

15:29:20 mircea_popescu: ok so re mpex : the best news, really. the whole shebang is deployed and actually works, as best as anyone can determine. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases which i expect to pass 100%. bar some improbable unforeseenness, mpex should be back this weekend.

15:30:25 pankkake: so you said twice it would take a week, instead of saying it would take two weeks. smart

15:30:56 pankkake: (actually not really how it happened, but I tried)

15:31:18 mircea_popescu: i k r ?

15:32:02 mircea_popescu: anyway, the gpg blob from the engineer in charge was so long this morning i thought at first he's gonna kill himself and is sending me his life story.

15:33:59 FabianB: $proxies ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend."

15:34:00 empyex: FabianB: Temporarily saved.

15:34:01 empyex: FabianB: Proxies: ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend." MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)

15:37:03 thickasthieves: is it weird to have no website at all when exchange is down?

15:38:25 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves like fraudsters ?

15:38:32 mircea_popescu: FabianB o hey nice

15:38:41 thickasthieves: mpex.co hasnt loaded for a while now

15:38:42 mircea_popescu: $proxies ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend. also fabian is pretty cool."

15:38:44 empyex: mircea_popescu: Temporarily saved.

15:38:45 empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend. also fabian is pretty cool." MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)

15:39:20 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves it wasn't really ever intended to do much as "the website"

15:39:44 thickasthieves: but there's other info there that is useful

15:40:02 Vexual: perhaps mpes is getting alibaba

15:40:23 thickasthieves: FAQ, last price, contact, pricing, etc

15:41:28 thickasthieves: http://web.archive.org/web/20140708024022/http://mpex.co/

15:41:29 assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.

15:41:53 Vexual: smpoe auddenlt buys 10 everything

15:42:08 mircea_popescu: Vexual including urmom ?

15:42:18 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves well yeah.

15:42:31 Vexual: alibaba is some billions

15:44:39 thickasthieves: i guess i'm just saying it's maybe a lil ghetto to have no website for days

15:45:01 Vexual: ghettos the formulae

15:45:24 mircea_popescu: dub: he writes like an entitled teenager. feels like im reading an episode of scooby doo << yeah well. it's hard dood.

15:45:42 thickasthieves: but i also used to sell brochures and websites for a living, sooooo....

15:46:00 mircea_popescu: i'm not sure ghetto is the word.

15:46:04 mircea_popescu: anticonsumer fo sho.

15:46:08 thickasthieves: unprofessional

15:46:32 Vexual: yeah thats kinda oppositely

15:46:36 mircea_popescu: only if your profession is seo expert.

15:48:13 thickasthieves: google delisted you

15:48:25 Vexual: fee going up?

15:48:28 thickasthieves: ;;google mpex

15:48:29 gribble: Midwest Photo Exchange Home page: http://mpex.com/; Midwest Photo Exchange MPEX Learning Studio: http://mpex.com/learn; MPEx - Bitcoin: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx

15:48:58 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves yeah dude, google is like, important. everywhere.

15:49:10 thickasthieves: well...

15:49:23 mircea_popescu: i'm sitting here building a system that exists to beat into submission the us congress and it all depends on whether google delists me or not.

15:49:30 mircea_popescu: twitter is a major blow. that sorta thing.

15:49:34 mircea_popescu: this make any fucking sense to you ?

15:49:52 thickasthieves: hey you can take it to extremes to bat it away if you like

15:49:59 thickasthieves: just syain

15:50:12 mircea_popescu: point is, if mpex isn';t fine outside of everything that currently exists on the web, mpex isn't fine

15:50:18 mircea_popescu: because google is going a-fucking-way.

15:50:25 mircea_popescu: itcant be a dependency

15:51:05 thickasthieves: maybe you should block google spiders

15:51:15 thickasthieves: let's all do it

15:51:22 thickasthieves: this wil help the cause

15:52:21 Vexual: ;;google 0-0

15:52:21 gribble: Dividing by Zero - Math is Fun: http://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/dividing-by-zero.html; Math Forum: Ask Dr. Math FAQ: Zero to Zero Power: http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.to.0.power.html; Zero to the Zero Power -- Math Fun Facts: https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles/10005.3-5.shtml

15:53:18 Vexual: google dont know shit

15:53:19 mircea_popescu: maybe just not care you know ?

15:53:58 Vexual: ;;google regex

15:53:59 gribble: Regular expression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression; Regular-Expressions.info - Regex Tutorial, Examples and ...: http://www.regular-expressions.info/; RegExr: Learn, Build, & Test RegEx: http://www.regexr.com/

15:54:44 mircea_popescu: is it ghetto and unprofessional to not care what the feminists have to say ?

15:55:06 mircea_popescu: because i suspect maybe this conceptual harness works more like a control tool directed towards the user

15:55:21 mircea_popescu: than what language is fucking intended to be (a control tool directed towards the environment)

15:56:08 thickasthieves: well i agree with you in that too much weight is being attributed to this concern

15:56:15 thickasthieves: i just disagree that it's all or nothing

15:56:40 thickasthieves: shit man, it's ok to have your website up when your exchange is down

15:56:42 thickasthieves: all i'm sayin

15:56:57 mircea_popescu: lol

15:56:58 thickasthieves: people may even prfer it

15:57:12 mircea_popescu: fraudsters should be good enuf

15:57:31 thickasthieves: well everything should be the way that disrupts mp the least

15:58:24 mircea_popescu: ^

15:59:06 mircea_popescu: pankkake: if taxes were simple, people would realize how much they pay << this lol.

15:59:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.78950352 BTC to 12`338 shares, 14504 satoshi per share

16:00:10 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2014#760791 << the funny thing there, of course, is that "organised crime" simply means "any power structure that's not us".

16:00:11 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

16:00:15 mircea_popescu: seems quite... organised crime-y to me.

16:01:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 25.29973600 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2200 satoshi per share

16:02:05 thickasthieves: hypocrisy as an indicator for a dying system

16:02:19 mircea_popescu: assbot: New virtual currency INNCoin is backed by gold and ready to take down bitcoin <<< one a fucking week by now ?

16:02:21 Vexual: prta ghash luck?

16:02:23 mthreat: "organized crime" isn't usually very organized

16:03:04 thickasthieves: just like how fiat arguments against bitcoin taste hypocrtical on examination

16:03:04 mircea_popescu: mthreat actually organised crime isn't usually very well documented.

16:03:41 mircea_popescu: chetty: desperate for news? << no, desperate for "alternatives". and they'd better fucking find some, because I will fuck up with their careers.

16:05:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 5.84550366 BTC to 29`438 shares, 19857 satoshi per share

16:05:54 thickasthieves: http://coinfire.cf/2014/07/18/breaking-dell-now-accepts-bitcoin/

16:05:55 assbot: Breaking: Dell Now Accepts Bitcoin - Coin Fire

16:06:02 chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs1l4r0IcAArmGj.jpg

16:06:09 thickasthieves: this coinfire guy is getting teh scoppz

16:06:15 thickasthieves: scoopz

16:06:33 mircea_popescu: ask him over ?

16:09:09 thickasthieves: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/490166181157154816

16:09:29 mircea_popescu: nice.

16:09:33 mircea_popescu: mebbe webirc link too ?

16:09:36 thickasthieves: it sounds official cuz i said official

16:09:50 mircea_popescu: you know how to work the ropes!

16:11:52 thickasthieves: k i left link in his blog

16:12:32 thickasthieves: love how all the dying internet boom businesses are embracing bitcoin

16:12:32 mircea_popescu: sweet.

16:12:39 thickasthieves: who the fuck buys dell

16:13:12 mircea_popescu: actually i dont think i ever bought a diff rackable server.

16:13:42 thickasthieves: ah so that's their niche?

16:13:48 mircea_popescu: pretty much yes

16:16:04 pankkake: google is very fast to update websites, it will also come back fast

16:16:28 pankkake: quick*

16:16:32 pankkake: I really can't write lately

16:20:15 mthreat: not sure i'd call it a niche

16:20:33 Vexual: ptoly tagged experimental

16:22:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 310 @ 0.00272 = 0.8432 BTC [-] {2}

16:23:35 pankkake: wow, maybe I'll buy a Dell U3011 after all :)

16:23:40 pankkake: unless it's US only

16:23:55 Vexual: dropbox

16:24:31 Vexual: yjeure cheaap

16:24:47 Vexual: *theey're cheap

16:29:13 pankkake: http://www.movetoaustin.io/

16:29:13 assbot: MovetoAustin

16:29:53 pankkake: #13 pic of only girls. eheh

16:31:52 BigBitz: Austin or NYC. That's not a hard toss up.

16:34:00 thickasthieves: dell also offering alienware discounts for btc

16:34:13 *: asciilifeform waits for shortwave-mpex

16:36:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sadly it seems mpex is one of those things still requiring a fortress.

16:36:14 thickasthieves: lol the WSJ writer wrote back to me "thanks for your thoughts"

16:36:18 thickasthieves: that's irt

16:36:20 thickasthieves: it

16:36:28 asciilifeform: let's fortress with antennae?

16:36:36 thickasthieves: lowercase n all

16:37:19 fluffypony: thickasthieves: it's because you changed your nick to all lower-case

16:37:22 fluffypony: poetic justice.

16:37:28 pankkake: mpex need a trade fortress?

16:37:29 thickasthieves: you are what you eat

16:38:26 fluffypony: hah hah

16:40:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 188 @ 0.00272998 = 0.5132 BTC [-]

16:41:00 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves he's being pro.

16:42:07 thickasthieves: Coinfire accepted invite

16:42:12 thickasthieves: "I'm in."

16:42:26 fluffypony: !up CoinFire

16:42:49 thickasthieves: g'day Coinfire

16:42:50 CoinFire: Thanks fluffypony Was working on the WoT stuff but likely going to have to finish it a bit later ;)

16:42:56 CoinFire: Howdy thickasthieves

16:43:27 thickasthieves: you seem to be on top of things, been reading since the SR auction

16:43:28 CoinFire: Fighting with my MBP at the moment which is refusing to charge LOL.

16:43:41 pankkake: replace the battery! oh, wait :p

16:43:46 CoinFire: Thanks! Certainly trying to be on top of everything at all times, lots of Google alerts, etc etc

16:44:11 CoinFire: LOL Exactly pankkake - Thankfully it is under warranty for a little while longer.

16:44:40 thickasthieves: i liked the coinjelly stuff, i noticed they wanted to talk privately, did anything come of that?

16:45:17 thickasthieves: (i still think your blog needs a new body font btw)

16:45:31 CoinFire: They've sent me some stuff and I've been waiting further confirmation from the insurance company. We will see how it plays out and if I learn more I will most certainly be updating things and posting a new entry for everyone :)

16:45:39 thickasthieves: cool

16:46:09 CoinFire: I'll agree thickasthieves on the font statement. I am likely going to try and get that changed this week. Another thing on the list of things lol. I find it hard to read on my iPad so it has to change :)

16:46:20 CoinFire: Any fonts you would rather see?

16:46:40 fluffypony: Comic Sans

16:46:41 thickasthieves: yeah it's just too thin, well for google fonts, i recall Cabin being a good one

16:47:27 CoinFire: LOL fluffypony the doge community would enjoy that.

16:47:27 thickasthieves: eh maybe not

16:47:36 thickasthieves: Cabin maybe a lil better for print

16:47:37 fluffypony: Papyrus, then?

16:47:38 pankkake: "Raleway"? I don't have it, so that's why the website looks nice to me

16:47:42 thickasthieves: kina warbly on screen

16:47:59 thickasthieves: raleway is one of those graphic designer trendy fonts from a couple years ago

16:48:13 CoinFire: Do people still even use Papyrus? That was something I asked myself recently then I saw a hair salon had it as a giant window sticker and was just like UGH

16:48:18 fluffypony: hah hah

16:48:30 fluffypony: the only font worse than Comic Sans and Papyrus is...Curlz

16:48:34 CoinFire: Then literally two days later, a church. I just head to shake my head.

16:48:39 fluffypony: that font needs to be stabbed in the face

16:48:46 *: CoinFire agrees

16:48:52 mircea_popescu: hey there CoinFire

16:48:58 pankkake: actually I'm wrong, I have it through google fonts I guess. and yeah, disabling it it's much better, it's too thin

16:49:09 chetty: whatever happened to just over ride the site css with your own font?

16:49:23 pankkake: I'm a fan of just using the default browser font (just use "sans-serif"). assuming most platforms have one that is not ugly.

16:49:26 thickasthieves: Papyrus is Comic Sans for Yoga and Health places

16:49:33 fluffypony: chetty: Google Web Fonts, I'm a big fan

16:49:47 CoinFire: Howdy mircea_popescu

16:50:08 mircea_popescu: people saying you're like on top of the scoops.

16:50:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2014#760974 like.

16:50:32 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

16:51:40 CoinFire: LOL That is awesome. Certainly trying to be all over them. Granted that involves virtually no sleeping ever.

16:52:05 fluffypony: you should hire a leggy blonde assistant

16:52:07 thickasthieves: CoinFire we have a blog feed at http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ if you wanna learn more about us, more resources are at bitcoin-assets.com, including logs, bash, wiki

16:52:08 assbot: Assets Assimilated

16:52:24 CoinFire: Checking it out thickasthieves!

16:52:37 CoinFire: I totally should fluffypony ;)

16:52:55 thickasthieves: it's a lot to read, but we generally take pride in not being reddites and slaying derpitude

16:53:35 CoinFire: I'll take it!!

16:54:16 CoinFire: I will be sure to get my keys and everything worked out this week as well :) Been working on a lot of stuff. It seems it never ends.

16:55:17 chetty: if it ends we will all be bored

16:55:18 thickasthieves: cool cool

16:56:36 CoinFire: HAHAHAHA So true chetty. So very true.

16:59:33 kakobrekla: at some point ill +m the chan so we can all take a break.

17:00:00 fluffypony: it is +m already...?

17:00:09 kakobrekla: sahtup you are ruining the joke.

17:00:11 mircea_popescu: no vitramins in your cereal huh

17:00:21 fluffypony: lol

17:00:38 mircea_popescu: !up just_mike

17:00:49 mircea_popescu: o look, mike_c bought the just dice brand and merged.

17:00:59 kakobrekla: provably fail microphone?

17:01:04 kakobrekla: eh

17:01:05 kakobrekla: fair

17:01:25 mircea_popescu: /nick just_in_bieber

17:01:40 kakobrekla: justin_time and justin_case

17:01:52 mircea_popescu: sir Case the Just

17:02:13 thickasthieves: cumin_side

17:02:34 kakobrekla: i guess if i make my surname justin, then i can have case and time for kids.

17:02:42 mircea_popescu: indian cooking pronz. "oya baby, put it on the cumin side."

17:02:59 asciilifeform: 'just_mice' << hypothetical future electric rodent shop

17:03:20 thickasthieves: just_ice

17:03:25 mircea_popescu: s/pronz/prawns

17:03:30 kakobrekla: and we are back to reddit lvl.

17:03:32 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you can't do that unless you're also begging for a flight

17:03:51 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no we're not. reddit doesn't do wordplay.

17:04:02 mircea_popescu: it does wordcancer.

17:04:13 kakobrekla: heh

17:05:16 thickasthieves: reminds me of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2013#322499

17:05:16 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:05:33 thickasthieves: i wonder if any of our fake name businesses became real ones since

17:05:54 thickasthieves: yep

17:07:39 asciilifeform: '?Just name a disease,? he says, ?and we have a cure ready for it.? ... The pills for AIDS look just like the pills for cancer look just like the pills for diabetes. I ask, So these things really aren?t invented? ... ?Of course they?re real,? he says and plucks the first two bottles out of my hands. ?They?re copyrighted. We have an inventory of almost fifteen thousand copyrighted names for pr

17:07:39 asciilifeform: oducts that are still in development,? he says. ?And that includes you.? ... ?We?re a total concept marketing slash public relations organization,? he says. ?Our job is to create the concept. You patent a drug. You copyright the name. As soon as someone else develops the product they come to us, sometimes by choice, sometimes not.?'

17:08:13 thickasthieves: cointroduction really is a good for a dating site

17:08:14 asciilifeform: 'I ask him, Why sometimes not? ?The way this works is we copyright every conceivable combination of words, Greek words, Latin, English, what-have-you. We get the legal rights to every conceivable word a pharmaceutical company might use to name a new product. For diabetes alone, we have an inventory of one hundred forty names,? he says. He hands me stapled-together pages from out of his briefcase in his lap.

17:08:15 asciilifeform: GlucoCure, I read. InsulinEase. PancreAid. Hemazine. Glucodan. Growdenase.'

17:08:35 asciilifeform: (palahniuk's 'survivor'. http://www.altbook.ru/index.php/site/en_survivor_full/681)

17:08:36 assbot: - Survivor - Chuck Palahniuk. Read, download books - alternative book.

17:09:28 thickasthieves: ive read a few of Chuck's

17:09:35 thickasthieves: i liked Haunted most i think

17:11:13 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves no wai. cointroduction ?!

17:11:21 mircea_popescu: do they offer on-site cointraception ?

17:11:39 thickasthieves: well i didnt know it was actually a word

17:11:42 thickasthieves: and the word works

17:11:42 CoinFire: LOL

17:11:52 thickasthieves: ;;ud cointroduction

17:11:54 gribble: Google found nothing.

17:11:58 mircea_popescu: it's horrible srsly.

17:12:08 thickasthieves: "simultaneous introduction of two or more agents or species"

17:12:19 mircea_popescu: about on par with toyota naming their prius replacement Toyota Pizda.

17:12:34 mthreat: cuntroduction

17:12:59 thickasthieves: !up Coinfire

17:13:20 mircea_popescu: mthreat cunt reduction ?

17:13:28 mthreat: it's a thing!

17:13:31 mircea_popescu: site sells alum powder

17:13:42 mircea_popescu: for you know... down there.

17:13:45 asciilifeform: now the interesting part. as i recall, the company in palahniuk's comedy actually exists...

17:14:03 CoinFire: Thanks ;)

17:14:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda poorly researched tho you know ? the 5mn domain names that were finally abandoned recently were a failed exercise in exactly this

17:14:26 mircea_popescu: 140 won't cut it. they need like 8bn names for diabethes.

17:15:19 mircea_popescu: "The sporting press is awash in liberal themes these days: the "underrepresentation" of African-American head coaches in professional football (nobody seems to object to the astounding overrepresentation of African-American players); the terrible injustice of private golf clubs refusing to accept women as members (funny, it's not a problem if Lady Victory Fitness Centers exclude men); and of course the whole business o

17:15:19 mircea_popescu: f women's sports, the greatest affirmative action program in existence (a woman can win a gold medal at the Olympics despite a performance that might not even qualify her for the men's event---but despite her inferior performance she wins the same medal as the men's winner)."

17:15:26 asciilifeform: if i remember, these folks don't go the pure squatter route, but actually make contact with megacorps and their lead marketing monkeys

17:15:29 mircea_popescu: what is this guy, nuts ? who and why would want to see mixed gender sprint.

17:16:54 thickasthieves: itd be cool if it were competitive

17:17:32 mircea_popescu: there are very few fields where women / men competition doesn't look like a squirrel trying to fight a raccoon.

17:17:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mocsny wasn't pushing for mixed footraces, so much as torturing some bozo who was obsessed with the 'injustice of exclusion'

17:17:48 mircea_popescu: those usually look like a raccoon trying to fight a truck.

17:18:09 asciilifeform: lol

17:18:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, he did have some issues this guy. http://pastebin.com/X7WtwLXV

17:18:19 assbot: Women from all races want to bang rich, successful guys. I find it merely curiou - Pastebin.com

17:18:30 mircea_popescu: consider, "sex robots so poor guys can have the same shit as rich guys" ?!

17:18:35 mircea_popescu: wtf is this, derplandia ?

17:18:54 chetty: munchcins vs the harlem globe trotters basketball anyone?

17:20:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, he was discussing why the robots are inevitable from a market standpoint (there are quite a few paupers, and they all want wheels. so we get trambourghini.)

17:23:24 CoinFire: BBL Going to work on a few different things, I'll try and drop in often :)

17:23:33 CoinFire: Thanks for the invite! :)

17:23:49 thickasthieves: thanks for coming by

17:25:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't see that as an argument at all. just... you know, drool.

17:26:17 asciilifeform: drool, unfortunately, is the correct explanation for a number of things.

17:26:22 mircea_popescu: if sex robots were widely available today, i'd prolly still not use them. (for that matter, indiancandy is a sex robot, not terribly expensive - a good server costs more than what she would)

17:27:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're not in the market for a trambourghini, either, as i understand.

17:27:17 mircea_popescu: for very similar reasons.

17:27:30 mircea_popescu: in short, it's not just the poor man's idea of what being rich is like that's wrong.

17:27:38 mircea_popescu: his idea of how to get there is similarly borkted.

17:28:07 asciilifeform: and yet trambos happen.

17:28:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 247 @ 0.00273992 = 0.6768 BTC [+]

17:28:26 mircea_popescu: "By the first time I had "sex" (depending on how you define it, since I took things in stages) I had already endured years of frustration and humiliation of an intensity that I don't think I can properly put into words." a ok.

17:28:32 asciilifeform: the poor man's idea of 'rich', combined with industry, is how we get trambo.

17:28:51 chetty: http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-potential-upend-legacy-payments-system-2014-7

17:28:51 assbot: Bitcoin Potential Upend Legacy Payments System - Business Insider

17:29:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 548 @ 0.00273994 = 1.5015 BTC [+] {2}

17:29:42 chetty: <mircea_popescu> in short, it's not just the poor man's idea of what being rich is like that's wrong.//a lot of rich dont seem to have much of a clue either

17:29:59 mircea_popescu: chetty kinda what makes it so difficult.

17:30:17 mircea_popescu: "I don't think an average man can pursue women effectively if he is primarily thinking about how good sex will feel when he gets it. That just isn't the right mindset when a man has to chat up dozens of women before he finds one with whom sex is a reasonable possibility." holy shit, with what woman is sex not a reasonable possibility ?!

17:30:23 mircea_popescu: ok enough of this guy, dear lord.

17:31:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00273996 = 0.548 BTC [+] {2}

17:31:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'a chicken also wants to live'

17:31:35 mircea_popescu: this ain't living.

17:31:44 thickasthieves: "when a man has to chat up dozens of women"

17:31:53 thickasthieves: gj

17:31:54 mircea_popescu: ikr?!

17:32:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00273997 = 0.822 BTC [+] {2}

17:32:20 mircea_popescu: there's nothing more pernicious to the mind than its ability to construct self coherent if spectacularly wrong representations.

17:32:26 asciilifeform: let them eat cake?

17:33:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i tell ye, if i perceived i HAD TO chat up women i'd be a fucking homicidal maniac, notwithstanding amazing success rates. even if i never left my own harem and so my success rate was forever 100%.

17:33:21 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:33:33 mircea_popescu: why not just relax and enjoy the fact that you CAN chat up women.

17:33:38 mircea_popescu: or for that matter, trees.

17:33:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's almost like you read a guide to survival in the arctic, and said 'wtf is this nonsense, just take compass and march south'

17:34:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 342 @ 0.00273998 = 0.9371 BTC [+] {3}

17:36:42 asciilifeform: the notion that every male of the species can turn into mircea_popescu by effort of will is, at the very least, misguided. i catch quite a bit of crap for insisting that virtually everyone can, e.g., learn mathematics - so i sympathize. but it's still mistake.

17:41:04 chetty: asciilifeform, +1

17:46:01 thickasthieves: http://www.dell.com/bitcoin

17:46:02 assbot: Dell now accepts bitcoin | Dell

17:46:24 thickasthieves: "What is Coinbase? Coinbase is the world's largest platform for buying and selling bitcoins for US dollars at the current market rate."

17:46:52 thickasthieves: it's like the only biz that fits that description, no?

17:47:08 los_pantalones: what is the current market rate?

17:47:18 thickasthieves: whatever they it is

17:47:25 thickasthieves: say

17:47:31 los_pantalones: so there are many

17:47:41 los_pantalones: that match that description

17:47:46 thickasthieves: platforms?

17:47:55 los_pantalones: yes

17:48:03 thickasthieves: word

17:48:09 thickasthieves: i thought the rest were real exchanges

17:48:10 asciilifeform: 'Do you also lecture people with Down's Syndrome on how they could learn to write 10,000 line Perl scripts if they just take it one step at a time? For some things there seems to be some minimum takeoff velocity.'

17:48:16 asciilifeform: (https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=soc.men/UnmiJcstddY/lQGxvNGTKBkJ)

17:48:50 thickasthieves: how is coinbase claiming they are largest then?

17:48:53 los_pantalones: thickasthieves we have a private one to our customers

17:49:01 los_pantalones: i suspect we are far from alone

17:49:07 los_pantalones: that is just their claim

17:49:43 los_pantalones: you are also thinking of the word "platform" too narrowly

17:49:56 los_pantalones: #bitcoin-otc would count

17:50:09 los_pantalones: lots of transactions take place OTC on skype

17:50:12 los_pantalones: these count

17:50:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 215 @ 0.0027493 = 0.5911 BTC [+] {3}

17:52:41 mike_c: anybody can write a 10,000 line perl script. it's making it a 100 line script that's hard.

17:53:21 chetty: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-07-17/fedex-indicted-for-distributing-controlled-drugs-online

17:53:21 assbot: FedEx Indicted for Shipping Drugs for Online Pharmacies - Businessweek

17:53:39 asciilifeform: mike_c: i vaguely recall some joker who wrote a complete 386 pc emulator in about 1k of perl. that's the kind of thing being spoken of, i think.

17:54:30 asciilifeform: chetty: RIP 'common carrier doctrine'

17:54:41 asciilifeform: it was a nice 100 years.

17:54:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think there's a space between arguing that nobody should bang head against wall and arguing everyone should be god.

17:55:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstand, you're trying to say to a fellow in padded cell, 'stop banging head.' generally good advice - except that sex drive doesn't ship with an 'off' switch.

17:55:52 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones there's this derpitude tradition where noobs claim firstbiggest first to be one day biggest.

17:56:05 mircea_popescu: it's roughly the equivalent of "callin it"

17:56:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it also doesn't ship with any particular rule as to how it is to be employed or manifested.

17:58:36 mircea_popescu: which is really where the problem starts. overactive sex drive makes kids misrepresent the facts of the matter : it's true that women make for convenient release, but it's not true that's what women ARE.

17:58:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 209 @ 0.00275172 = 0.5751 BTC [+] {3}

17:58:56 mircea_popescu: as the weirdo ages and frustration builds, this distinction becomes less readily accessible. nevertheless...

17:59:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: women also aren't food - but the proverbial airplane crash castaway might beg to differ.

17:59:26 mircea_popescu: i know a few women i'm kinda tempted to eat with some regularity.

17:59:32 asciilifeform: lol

17:59:37 mircea_popescu: no actual cannibalism so far tho

17:59:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 957 @ 0.00280116 = 2.6807 BTC [+] {5}

18:00:25 mircea_popescu: but yes, i daresay that i'd still chat up women in the andes. wtf do i care about survival anyway.

18:00:33 mircea_popescu: a life unpleasant is not worth surviving.

18:00:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1465 @ 0.00281744 = 4.1275 BTC [+] {4}

18:01:14 asciilifeform: chetty: if fedex could leave usa to the mice and roaches, now would probably be the time. but don't hold your breath waiting for this.

18:01:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 229 @ 0.00282971 = 0.648 BTC [+] {6}

18:03:01 chetty: asciilifeform, there is something in the usa other than mice and roaches?

18:03:37 *: asciilifeform pops an antenna, chitters inquisitively

18:16:07 thickasthieves: http://www.pfhub.com/russia-makes-32-billion-dollars-of-cubas-outstanding-debt-disappear-953/

18:16:08 assbot: Russia makes $32 billion dollars of Cubas outstanding debt disappear

18:17:35 chetty: http://banksworstfear.com/bitcoin-remittances-effect-now/

18:17:37 assbot: Bitcoin Remittances are In Effect Now | Banks Worst Fear

18:21:27 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/dell-com-accepting-bitcoin-offering-10-discount-alienware/

18:25:04 thickasthieves: i should do $500/seat L2Bitcoin seminars for the local mexicans and guatemalans

18:25:22 thickasthieves: (re chetty's link)

18:29:46 danielpbarron: "If you would like to purchase XCP for Bitcoins, we advise that you use a centralized exchange for the time being. We are in the process of developing features that will make the purchase of XCP on Counterwallet very simple, and expect these to be working soon. Thanks for your patience." via http://counterwallet.co/ #AmazingCompany

18:29:47 assbot: Counterwallet

18:37:56 bitcoinpete: ;;nethash

18:37:58 gribble: 139988399.294

19:04:46 asciilifeform: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1202453/human-random-number-generation << this topic will never really die, will it.

19:04:48 assbot: Human random number generation | Ludology | BoardGameGeek

19:09:14 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: hey everyone that is awake : please put in a list of five words that you'd estimate are the key terms for [your interest of] b-a << history, finance, philosophy, digital security, bitcoin

19:17:25 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves not entirely a bad idea.

19:21:08 fluffypony: five words: general management, cryptography, finance, cryptocurrencies, risk management

19:21:14 fluffypony: two of those are phrases, meh

19:26:32 asciilifeform: mathematics, systemantics, chumpatronics, polemology, psychoceramics.

19:30:49 mthreat: teledildonics

19:33:23 kakobrekla: i just like the pics.

19:33:28 kakobrekla: 5 words.

19:34:26 mthreat: how about a haiku for #b-a

19:35:09 princessnell: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101849169

19:35:10 assbot: Time for digital currencies to grow upbitcoinommentary

19:35:22 princessnell: "As the creator of a digital currency, I..."

19:37:05 asciilifeform: mthreat: haiku << 'If only we might fall / Like cherry blossoms in the spring / So pure and radiant !'

19:37:29 *: asciilifeform associates haiku solely with kamikaze send-off ceremony

19:37:46 fluffypony: oh no princessnell

19:37:47 fluffypony: that guy

19:37:51 fluffypony: is such an utter fucktard

19:37:58 fluffypony: with his NautilusCoin bullshit

19:38:23 asciilifeform: 'Since my body is a shell / I am going to take it off / and put on a glory that will never wear out.' (one mr. kenzo ishijima)

19:39:01 *: asciilifeform invites anyone who knows some other kind of haiku to substitute that.

19:39:10 fluffypony: and don't get me started on Dirac

19:39:22 fluffypony: http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/nautiluscoin-future-of-cryptocurrency/

19:39:22 assbot: How NautilusCoin could change the digital currency marketforever

19:39:34 fluffypony: that's David Seaman doing the pump

19:40:10 fluffypony: then the market is like "lol wtf is this shit"

19:40:11 fluffypony: https://medium.com/@d_seaman/nautiluscoin-and-dirac-misunderstood-df353a9b6296

19:40:12 assbot: NautilusCoin and Dirac, misunderstood Medium

19:40:51 fluffypony: this is my favourite quote:

19:40:52 fluffypony: "I think money is exactly the same. I don’t think consumers will care much for the community their coin has; they will care about the algorithm. Or, more accurately, they will care about how the coin performs (mining cost, speed, security) because of that algorithm."

19:42:57 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: or "I’m not “hyping” these coins. These are advancements in cryptocurrency that not many people have noticed yet."

19:43:11 fluffypony: heh heh

19:44:21 thickasthieves: <+princessnell> "As the creator of a digital currency, I..." /// wtf is this, major media shilling alts day?

19:44:42 fluffypony: thickasthieves: Brian Kelly is a fucktard

19:44:53 fluffypony: he's a CNBC "contributor" (read: blogger)

19:45:04 fluffypony: and he "created" NautilusCoin (read: someone else did the work)

19:45:06 thickasthieves: <+fluffypony> "I think money is exactly ... lulz abound

19:45:18 fluffypony: and it has a fat premine for a "stabilisation fund"

19:46:35 princessnell: o endogeneity. hookers/porn/sexbots lower cost for men of lacking power. good for high power males, high time preference women. negative externality for most others. increases pressure for neotenized males, masculinized females.

19:48:03 thickasthieves: princessnell system dump, reboot

19:48:13 thickasthieves: hehe

19:48:46 princessnell: thickasthieves and so it goes

19:51:47 thickasthieves: and goes and goes http://www.coindesk.com/secondmarket-bitcoin-professional-womens-network/

19:51:47 assbot: SecondMarket Hosts Bitcoin Talk for Professional Women's Network

19:53:16 pankkake: a fiat currency will disappear in 27 years on average. So, if you live outside the US […] the currency you use in your daily life will likely go away in 27 years

19:53:23 pankkake: lol, statistics

19:54:07 mike_c: median, mean, whatever.

19:54:45 thickasthieves: ;;estimate

19:54:46 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 18802851546.1 based on data since last change | 19651756602.8 based on data for last three days

19:54:58 asciilifeform: pankkake: 'the average number of cocks is one half'

19:59:59 princessnell: thickasthieves v heavy on the propagandaspeak

20:11:26 mircea_popescu: princessnell: As the creator of a digital currency, I..." << derp's never ending quest for relevancy.

20:12:40 mircea_popescu: one'd hope teh us propaganda drive to support their braindamage will collect better heads than the twinkletoss twins and nautilus coin guy.

20:13:02 mircea_popescu: i get more for .1 a tit for crying out loud. wasn't the usg supposed to be like rich and powerful and whatnot ?

20:14:11 mircea_popescu: "But what made Google successful as the world?s preferred search engine was not great ?community? or shibe memes or aggressive marketing on Twitter." << orly.

20:14:34 mircea_popescu: "as a creator of a google, I know what made google successful!"

20:14:39 princessnell: the pipers only have to be as good as the mice they're leading

20:15:15 mircea_popescu: princessnell: o endogeneity. hookers/porn/sexbots lower cost for men of lacking power. good for high power males, high time preference women. negative externality for most others. increases pressure for neotenized males, masculinized females. <<< precisely.

20:15:23 mircea_popescu: you sound like you went to school for this or something.

20:15:31 princessnell: nah, i just read a lot

20:15:39 mircea_popescu: and no re the pipers.

20:15:47 princessnell: well, i'm going to school for econ, which has applicable tools

20:15:52 mircea_popescu: in general you can evaluate who's going to win a battle just by looking at piperquality.

20:16:01 mircea_popescu: they who have the rubens and van dykes win.

20:16:09 princessnell: i think that's right

20:16:39 mircea_popescu: black victory was predictable just looking at greenwich village cca 1960.

20:17:16 mircea_popescu: nautilus coin guy needs to learn to play an instrument.

20:17:49 princessnell: ya well, in the us instruments are relative, maaan

20:18:17 princessnell: too many people have been getting by on bs for so long that few know anything else

20:19:18 princessnell: they can't identify a maestro for a mendicant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM21gPmkDpI

20:19:18 assbot: Joshua Bell playing violin in DC Metro Station. Please Stop and Hear the Music!!! - YouTube

20:24:23 mircea_popescu: amusingly, that's on fraudsters.

20:24:29 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:fraudsters.com joshua bell

20:24:30 gribble: No matches found.

20:24:32 mircea_popescu: meh,

20:25:43 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/in-re-philosophy-freedom-of-scientific-information/

20:25:44 assbot: In re “Philosophy : Freedom of scientific information” pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:25:45 mircea_popescu: there

20:26:50 chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-18/holding-company-portugals-2nd-largest-bank-just-filed-bankruptcy-protection

20:29:50 princessnell: that's a good one

20:31:45 mircea_popescu: !s portugal

20:31:46 assbot: 9 results for 'portugal' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=portugal

20:32:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756255 yest :D

20:32:04 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

20:32:15 mircea_popescu: ;;ident mike_c

20:32:15 gribble: Nick 'mike_c', with hostmask 'mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598', is identified as user 'mike_c', with GPG key id 4FBC58464F910E21, key fingerprint 9086CA4627840552468FE3D44FBC58464F910E21, and bitcoin address None

20:48:37 chetty: http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/07/intellectual-and-practical-foolishness-the-precautionary-principle/

20:48:38 assbot: Intellectual and Practical Foolishness: The Precautionary Principle « Roy Spencer, PhD

20:50:06 asciilifeform: chetty: http://yarchive.net/risks/risks_of_risks.html

20:50:06 assbot: Risks of RISKS (John McCarthy)

20:54:58 chetty: Date: 07 Sep 85, now thats cool asciilifeform tyvm

20:55:09 asciilifeform: chetty: 'yarchive' is a gold mine.

20:56:03 asciilifeform: (before anyone asks - no, i have not the faintest idea whether norman yarvin is a relative of curtis)

21:01:04 asciilifeform: relevant in light of recent nyoos: http://yarchive.net/risks/iranian_airbus.html

21:01:05 assbot: Iranian Airbus shootdown (Henry Spencer)

21:20:52 asciilifeform: more on the subject: http://yarchive.net/risks/vincennes_shootdown.html

21:20:53 assbot: Vincennes shootdown (Rob Horn)

21:31:49 BingoBoingo: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/07/18/2115220/tesla-model-s-hacking-prize-claimed

21:31:50 assbot: Tesla Model S Hacking Prize Claimed - Slashdot

21:35:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: still pales in comparison to the mp3 CAN bus hack: http://www.itworld.com/security/139794/with-hacking-music-can-take-control-your-car

21:35:46 assbot: With hacking, music can take control of your car | ITworld

21:41:41 BingoBoingo: Ah yeah, Why the connected car shouldn't be

21:45:29 BingoBoingo: !up RagnarDanneskjol

22:00:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/xd1s53Bc

22:00:54 assbot: ought to be SOP, but is it? - Pastebin.com

22:22:33 fluffypony: ;;seen naphex

22:22:34 gribble: naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Naphex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2ttq9oOvks

22:22:39 fluffypony: O.o

22:22:51 Pierre_Rochard: http://www.bloomberg.com/infographics/2014-07-16/global-poll.html#bubbles

22:22:51 assbot: Global Poll 2014-07-16 - Bloomberg

22:23:16 Pierre_Rochard: 55% of the ‘financial elite’ believe Bitcoin is “Already a bubble”

22:23:33 Pierre_Rochard: 19% hold that view for U.S. Treasuries

22:34:55 asciilifeform: http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/dev_random.html#update_5 << linus on rng, for anyone who hasn't already read.

22:34:56 assbot: /dev/random (H. Peter Anvin; Theodore Y. Ts'o)

22:39:45 thickasthieves: believed

22:39:50 thickasthieves: the poll is from January

23:49:57 benkay: salud de canada