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Transcript for 18-07-2015, 982 lines:

00:00:40 ascii_field: in usa everyone uses either the red plastic bottles, or goes to antique shop and buys nazi 'jerry can'

00:00:54 mircea_popescu: nuts.

00:01:09 mircea_popescu: yes, jerry can, that's the proper item

00:01:42 ascii_field: also turns out that the other pogo (the one still in print) has internal sata

00:03:41 mircea_popescu: how big ?

00:04:01 ascii_field: empty jack

00:05:01 mircea_popescu: williamdunne i c.

00:05:31 mircea_popescu: spreading the news : http://31.media.tumblr.com/a4d16cb626a7d4213b9b6ae3500b296c/tumblr_n4vyxoGeid1txo69co1_500.gif

00:05:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbh92v )

00:09:04 mircea_popescu: "Some people have been mailing me lately, random people asking me if their kids should go. It's expensive. Way expensive. Tough choice to make, even now, with Wizard Academy grads making anywhere from a quarter million to a million a year, while the rest of us plod away in 5-figure territory."

00:09:07 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is he on about ?

00:09:16 mircea_popescu: i guess im a later adopter than even yegge.

00:11:00 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

00:11:10 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he was describing, i think, a fantasy

00:11:33 mircea_popescu: by now it's impossible to tell satire from an obama speech.

00:11:35 ascii_field: some sort of school

00:13:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00053131 = 19.074 BTC [-] {2}

00:13:22 mircea_popescu: http://www.chapeldulcinea.org/are-you-guys-a-cult-or-what/

00:13:23 assbot: Chapel Dulcinea - The Free Wedding Chapel - Are You Guys a Cult, or What? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbhUbR )

00:14:09 mircea_popescu: "Roy Hollister Williams is a best selling author and marketing consultant best known for his Wizard of Ads trilogy. He is founder of the Wizard Academy institute and currently lives in Austin, Texas with his wife Pennie."

00:14:14 mircea_popescu: wikipedia, ever so endearing.

00:26:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57620 @ 0.00051816 = 29.8564 BTC [-]

00:31:55 jurov: !mpif

00:31:56 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021447 B (Total: 426.11 B). Delta: 0.15 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

00:32:04 jurov: !t m f.mpif

00:32:04 assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.

00:32:18 jurov: O

00:37:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00051453 = 12.0143 BTC [-] {2}

00:43:23 mod6: <+ascii_field> in usa everyone uses either the red plastic bottles, or goes to antique shop and buys nazi 'jerry can' << at some point in the last 6+ years, the USSA standardized the can. Now it seems you can only by 1 standard type of red-plastic gas can. And the f'ing pour spout does not work. It is a worthless pile of shit. It makes you twist and unlock it or some crazy shit. Now, I just throw the spout away, and pour through a funnel fro

00:44:28 mod6: It drives me nuts, because I can't find a regular old-school (even a plastic one with a normal pour spout) to save my life. Might have to check at garage sales or something. All major stores only carry Soviet Gas can.

00:44:39 mod6: </rant>

00:45:54 mod6: haha, "Welcome to socialism! Here's this new gas can to save your retard children from drinking it while you're off doing important things."

00:46:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13965 @ 0.00052392 = 7.3165 BTC [+]

00:49:00 mod6: Oh and did I mention there's no rear breather hole to let the stream pour smoothly?

00:49:06 mod6: Nope.

00:49:30 mod6: srsly.what.in.the.fuck.is.happening.net

00:51:06 mod6: this is the spout: i.ytimg.com/vi/nytxlA-G1Sk/maxresdefault.jpg

00:52:22 danielpbarron: heh, that url resolves

00:52:52 cazalla: mod6, that looks like a combi can, not sure

00:54:37 mod6: ah, you know, just searching for it... looks like i can by a non-retarded gascan online easy enough.

00:54:50 mod6: i feel like i've said all this before in here too, then jurov linked me to something lol.

00:55:10 mod6: maybe i dreamed it

00:56:55 mod6: this is what i really want: www.hearth.com/talk/attachments/img_0736-jpg.72703/

00:57:17 cazalla: google search shows it to be an eco but quite similar to a combi can.. seems to be user error imo :P

00:57:43 mod6: yeah, eco can. im not the only one, search "new gas can sucks"

00:58:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.00053986 = 25.0225 BTC [+]

00:58:37 mod6: the first one i ever used i snapped the fucker while trying to unlock it...

00:59:34 mod6: i was so mad. the girl didn't want to talk to me for 20 minutes because she said was laughing like i was insane.

00:59:50 cazalla: never used an eco can so i can't say, i just use one of these http://i.imgur.com/hcbpjLY.jpg with a spout but when i was doing some chainsaw work, they had these newfangled combi cans and those things are awesome

00:59:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzbBwC )

01:00:11 cazalla: a funnel i mean.. spout lol

01:00:48 mod6: wow. that's different.

01:01:19 cazalla: that is your typical petrol can found here

01:01:39 cazalla: for your mower and whipper snipper anyway

01:02:05 mod6: `whipper snipper' that's fantasic. im gonna call it that from now on.

01:02:40 cazalla: what do you call it?

01:02:53 danielpbarron: weed whacker

01:02:57 mod6: here it's called `weed wacker' or 'weed whip'

01:03:13 cazalla: nah mate, it's a whipper snipper

01:03:19 mod6: that's so much better.

01:03:38 mod6: this channel is awesome

01:04:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40770 @ 0.00054615 = 22.2665 BTC [+]

01:09:47 trinque: lol wtf

01:09:56 trinque: I just got a 500gb SSD in the mail supposedly for amazon

01:10:17 trinque: for someone who does not live here... with no receipt or anything in the packaging

01:10:24 mats: i bought one, it was 150

01:10:30 mats: 'Prime Day'

01:10:33 trinque: sweet

01:10:41 trinque: this drive is not getting plugged into shit

01:10:54 mod6: tomato bath

01:11:03 trinque: mod6: haha wassat?

01:11:13 mats: does that work on SSDs?

01:11:22 mats: suggested method to corrode mechanical drives

01:11:25 trinque: ah

01:11:25 mod6: ah, suppose not.

01:11:29 mod6: melt with blowtorch

01:11:43 mats: or just return it to sender

01:11:51 trinque: yeah, going to call amazon and ask wtf

01:11:54 mats: its expensive enough someone might go looking for it

01:12:01 mod6: http://fraudsters.com/2014/spy-stuff

01:12:02 assbot: Spy stuff on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mzckhw )

01:13:12 trinque: "As you can see, inasmuch as the seal has not been broken, the warranty still stands." << lol!

01:14:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00054277 = 6.079 BTC [-] {2}

01:14:16 mod6: haha

01:17:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00053767 = 20.2433 BTC [-]

01:18:04 decimation: mod6: http://lfb.org/how-government-wrecked-the-gas-can/ < of course, the reason for you gas can problems is usg

01:18:07 assbot: How Government Wrecked the Gas Can ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzcGVc )

01:18:33 decimation: they didn't pass a law, they just made it known that making gas cans that vent to the atmosphere wouldn't make them very happy

01:18:50 decimation: "There’s also the problem of the exploding can. On hot days, the plastic models to which this regulation applies can blow up like balloons. When you release the top, gas flies everywhere, including possibly on a hot engine. "

01:21:24 mod6: bah, i've lived in one of the hottest places in the world. sure, the cans get bloated a bit. just don't stick your face 1" from the thing when opening the lid. simple.

01:22:47 mod6: my favorite: "So for the last three years, you have not been able to buy gas cans that work properly. ..."

01:23:39 mod6: and it is true, i spill much more gas pouring it out of the open mouth without shitsucker nozzle into a funnel with no goddamn breather hole.

01:23:53 mod6: but fuck 'em

01:24:26 trinque: mod6: yeah, lived in tx for a long time, had these

01:24:30 trinque: you just peel the thing slowly

01:24:42 trinque: though I never recall having one without a vent at all

01:26:35 mod6: really?

01:27:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20508 @ 0.00054904 = 11.2597 BTC [+] {2}

01:28:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31589 @ 0.00055073 = 17.397 BTC [+] {2}

01:28:46 trinque: yeah, mine had tiny pinhole vents with a plastic cover

01:28:55 trinque: and then the spout on the other end

01:29:13 trinque: they still bloated up though and hissed when you popped the vent

01:29:24 mod6: typicall usg: take something that works perfectly well and then wreck the goddamnthing

01:31:02 trinque: somebody probably knew somebody that made the tardspout

01:31:29 mod6: oh ya

01:32:58 mod6: what's also obnoxious about it, is now i cant easily pour gas on my fire like a normal person.

01:33:34 mod6: i've got a wide mouth USG pos that would light my damn balls on fire in the process.

01:34:01 trinque: heh for this and other reasons, bitcoin.

01:34:17 mod6: so now i have to fill up a plastic/glass cup and then throw it in there from a distance.

01:34:25 trinque: and really, is there any higher freedom than pyrotechnic freedom?

01:34:34 mod6: im sayin'!

01:35:11 asciilifeform: aha, got one of these pieces of shit

01:35:36 asciilifeform: you can buy the nato-standard metal can (copy of nazi item) from various places. for now.

01:35:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42403 @ 0.00051453 = 21.8176 BTC [-]

01:36:42 asciilifeform: in other nyooz,

01:36:58 trinque: how bout that, something that looks like a fucking tool

01:37:07 *: trinque will have to see if the local army surplus has it

01:37:35 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: http://imgur.com/RZjoXb9 << arm a9; 256M ram; 802.11; hdmi; usb

01:37:36 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzdJ7E )

01:38:54 asciilifeform: <mod6> It drives me nuts, because I can't find a regular old-school (even a plastic one with a normal pour spout) to save my life. Might have to check at garage sales or something. All major stores only carry Soviet Gas can. << this is mega-lulzy because ~actual~ soviet gas cans were 100% metal, on the german pattern

01:39:22 ben_vulpes: ikura desu ka, asciilifeform?

01:39:35 ben_vulpes: how much does it cost, and does it *nix?

01:40:13 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this one was ~17 usd (with postage)

01:40:15 asciilifeform: and yes

01:40:52 asciilifeform: (the plug in the picture was another few)

01:41:08 ben_vulpes: goodness. usb hdmi and all.

01:41:16 ben_vulpes: we can have wifi in the cardano after all!

01:41:24 ben_vulpes: someone call spamgun.

01:41:31 asciilifeform: l0l

01:42:18 asciilifeform: this one is for item mentioned earlier, 'what is the barfiest hardware that might host a node' inquiry.

01:43:53 ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds << prole ownership of cars is going away. period.

01:44:00 ben_vulpes: witness car2go, zipcar, the whole nine.

01:44:16 ben_vulpes: end game here is a share in a robo fleet.

01:44:46 ben_vulpes: might even approach full utilization of the capital equipment that way, instead of this insane 1:1 car:butt ratio where they're mostly stationary all of the time.

01:49:52 mod6: i like how ascii has the oldest looking deck of cards i've seen.

01:50:11 ben_vulpes: probably brought them over himself.

01:50:18 ben_vulpes: and not in the checked bags.

01:50:26 mod6: he has a eye for antique stuff.

01:50:58 mod6: when we were at the bazzar there was a bunch of neat trinkets

01:52:35 mod6: ok so you use this miracast thing and you link up a 500gb usb drive, good to go?

01:52:44 mod6: (is this like a google tv-like thing?)

01:54:20 asciilifeform: mod6: still need to do a buildroot for this bugger

01:54:47 asciilifeform: and also jurov pointed to a possible boojum (though i have seen account of others who did use usb storage with these)

01:54:55 mod6: ah. ok. looks like this one im looking at on google is $13.46 is that about what the cost is?

01:55:00 asciilifeform: varies

01:55:10 mod6: sure, but about same cost as pogo?

01:55:11 decimation: asciilifeform: worst case you can use it to watch turd tv

01:55:13 asciilifeform: (depending on ram, single/dual/quad core cpu, etc)

01:55:38 asciilifeform: decimation: the included fw doesn't display anything useful. just a menu where you can connect to local wifi

01:55:49 decimation: what's the point then?

01:56:06 asciilifeform: certain pnohes/tardablets are, i'm told, able to throw a picture to these things

01:56:29 decimation: sounds usless

01:56:31 asciilifeform: aha

01:56:33 asciilifeform: hence cheap.

01:56:39 asciilifeform: no one thinks 'it is a computer'

01:56:54 decimation: I was reading my ham radio experimenters magazine today

01:57:01 asciilifeform: but it's a linux box, slightly faster than 'pogo'

01:57:29 decimation: the writer of an article was complaining that some of the designs featured in earlier articles are cranked out by chinese and sold on ebay

01:57:35 decimation: in this case it was an LC meter I think

01:57:42 asciilifeform: mod6: same cost as pogo - the castrato sata-less one - yes. but recall that pogo is a dwindling non-renewable resource

01:57:58 asciilifeform: hence the slow, leisurely search for possible alternatives

01:58:26 decimation: this guy http://www.dg5mk.de/pages/artikel/dg5mk-lcq-meter.php

01:58:27 assbot: DG5MK - DG5MK LCQ-Meter ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9GIRB )

01:58:50 mod6: asciilifeform: very cool.

01:59:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00052251 = 10.9727 BTC [+]

01:59:01 mod6: how hard is gonna be to do a new buildroot for this one?

01:59:40 asciilifeform: mod6: no idea yet

02:00:06 mod6: *nod*

02:00:15 asciilifeform: mod6: seems like the chinese units can be reflashed via usb; while google's 'chromecast', which is the exact same item but at double cost, has to be diddled via the on-board test points

02:00:23 decimation: http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/17/tesla-announces-model-s-ludicrous-upgrade-90-kwh-battery/ < tesla figures out how to milk more cash from the only market they can: current owners

02:00:24 assbot: Tesla announces Model S Ludicrous upgrade, 90-kWh battery ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9GM3N )

02:00:27 mod6: i'll give one a try as soon as it's built and ready to test.

02:00:36 decimation: "

02:00:38 decimation: Details for how Tesla can offer this quicker option can be found in CEO Elon Musk's blog post (available below), but the gist is that a new advanced smart fuse for the battery allows an increase in the maximum amp throughout from 1,300 to 1,500 amps. This will cost new buyers $10,000, but current P85D owners can get the upgrade pack electronics for $5,000 plus installation labor, for the next six months."

02:01:04 asciilifeform: decimation: waitasec. 90kWh ?

02:01:20 decimation: yeah, they stuff more lithium batteries I guess

02:01:28 asciilifeform: nono, think

02:01:51 asciilifeform: take an ordinary petrol engine

02:01:53 asciilifeform: say, 100 horse

02:02:10 asciilifeform: 74600 W

02:02:20 asciilifeform: so ~75kW

02:02:27 decimation: that's the equivalent energy of about 2.5 gal of gas

02:02:37 asciilifeform: and that's all you get in this mega-car ?!

02:02:40 decimation: yep

02:02:45 decimation: hey, it's better than 1 gal

02:03:03 decimation: asciilifeform: batteries suck, what you gonna do

02:03:20 decimation: if batteries were about 10x more energy density they would be the no-brainer solution

02:03:28 *: asciilifeform thought, for some odd reason, that 'tesla' included an astonishingly large battery

02:03:31 decimation: ^ save the laser fire in the streets

02:03:37 decimation: no no 90 kwh is the 'upgrade'

02:03:38 asciilifeform: and that it behaved somewhat like a proper car

02:03:48 decimation: it does, for about 100 miles I think

02:04:12 ben_vulpes: bwahaha

02:04:29 ben_vulpes: i'll take the ancient corvette any day.

02:04:31 mats: nah, does like 200-250mi in california iirc

02:04:36 asciilifeform: i could, just possibly, get to office & back in this machine

02:04:40 asciilifeform: if no radio and no headlights.

02:04:45 ben_vulpes: or ac!

02:04:48 asciilifeform: aha.

02:05:03 asciilifeform: (and no heat. in petrol car, you get engine heat 'for phree' in wintertime)

02:05:03 ben_vulpes: my ac is plumbed from the hydraulic system

02:05:16 ben_vulpes: kills mileage

02:05:17 decimation: yeah I suppose they have some kind of heat pump

02:05:17 mats: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=32557 << says 265mi when new

02:05:19 assbot: Compare Side-by-Side ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9H0YK )

02:05:19 ben_vulpes: refrigerates

02:05:25 ben_vulpes: god bless america.

02:05:37 mats: which is almost half what a hybrid does.

02:05:48 ben_vulpes: stop trying to disrupt the ice.

02:05:54 ben_vulpes: it is terrifically good at what it does.

02:05:55 decimation: there's only so much efficiency you can glean out of 2.5 gal of gas

02:06:20 decimation: plus, unlike gas, it takes hours to 'fill' instead of seconds

02:06:39 decimation: and the batteries get worse with age and cold

02:07:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9936 @ 0.00055096 = 5.4743 BTC [+]

02:07:12 ben_vulpes: there's also the 'battery paste' stuff

02:07:12 mats: i'm cheering for tesla to somehow succeed, if musk improves batt tech thats a net win for mankind

02:07:43 decimation: even if improved by a factor of 2x (energy density at the same cost) it would be a huge win

02:07:49 ben_vulpes: why?

02:07:58 ben_vulpes: just price gas out of everyone's hands.

02:08:02 decimation: heh

02:08:07 asciilifeform: mats: afaik, 'tesla' has done nothing whatsoever for battery tech

02:08:17 ben_vulpes: no, seriously mats decimation. why improve batteries?

02:08:20 decimation: no there was a 'tesla teardown' I linked here awhile ago

02:08:29 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: laser pistolz!

02:08:36 asciilifeform: why else.

02:08:40 decimation: ben_vulpes: there are loads of applications that become possible if you have portable high energy source

02:08:46 ben_vulpes: such as?

02:08:48 decimation: like lazer pistols

02:08:56 decimation: or 500 mile range electric cars

02:08:57 ben_vulpes: and what i ask again is wrong with bullets.

02:09:02 ben_vulpes: or the ice.

02:09:07 mod6: cell phones that last longer than 8 hours.

02:09:15 decimation: or home energy storage

02:09:20 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: recall the thread about 'brass is made at izhevsk' ?

02:09:21 ben_vulpes: the cell phone was a bad branch on the tech tree.

02:09:23 mats: well, this is thinking small, but i'd like a 'smartphone' that runs longer than 24h

02:09:25 asciilifeform: that's what's wrong with bullet.

02:09:34 ben_vulpes: well, tablet phone.

02:09:43 ben_vulpes: startac did no wrong

02:09:45 decimation: or double the power for the processor at the same lifetime

02:09:47 ben_vulpes: razr did no wrong

02:10:03 decimation: ;;lasers

02:10:04 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

02:10:05 ben_vulpes: i'm growing fond of mp and alf's attitudes towards workstations.

02:10:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00053475 = 5.9357 BTC [-] {2}

02:10:32 ben_vulpes: laptops are going to become more and more impenetrable boxes of turdware.

02:10:35 decimation: the main advantage to workstations: ecc and raid

02:10:37 ben_vulpes: unrepairable, unimproveable.

02:10:42 ben_vulpes: decimation: and ergonomics!

02:10:46 ben_vulpes: decimation: and security!

02:10:53 decimation: the last bit I'm not sure about

02:10:55 ben_vulpes: decimation: and power!

02:11:01 decimation: agreed

02:11:27 ben_vulpes: you do not get the F1 engine power when derping around like armadillo.

02:11:47 mod6: <+ben_vulpes> decimation: and security! << at lesat you can easily rip out the shit you don't want. as opposed to debate weather or not to get rid of the screen.

02:12:03 ben_vulpes: i mean physical security, but sure.

02:12:12 ben_vulpes: vaultputer, so to speak.

02:12:30 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: speaking of

02:12:39 ben_vulpes: mhm?

02:12:50 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'vaultputer' - recall the ancient thread re: nuke test compliance geosensors ?

02:13:08 decimation: even vaultputer needs i/o

02:13:15 mircea_popescu: mod6 lol wut!

02:13:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can take small computer, instrument with geophones, etc, and pour cement.

02:13:19 mircea_popescu: that looks retarded

02:13:28 decimation: https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/DiG9qANf5PA "Something you did recently has been an unmitigated disaster. Of the roughly 1000 spam threads I've gone through so far, right now 228 threads were incorrectly marked as spam."

02:13:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrKT3I )

02:13:43 decimation: ^ Linus bitching about gmail

02:14:03 ben_vulpes: decimation: they are now refusing to mark spam for me.

02:14:07 mod6: mircea_popescu: wifi antennas

02:14:12 ben_vulpes: i suspect that fitbit is paying to get through their filter.

02:14:18 mircea_popescu: <mod6> this channel is awesome << bwahahyaha okay.

02:14:22 decimation: I thought the whole point of spam was to force you onto gmail

02:14:47 asciilifeform: ^

02:15:59 asciilifeform: 'It wouldn?t surprise me to find, for example, a sudden proliferation of heavy-duty ?water cans? in 1- and 5-gallon sizes, complete with nice spouts and vents, looking almost exactly like the gas cans you could get anywhere just a few years ago. How very interesting to discover this. Of course, this law-abiding writer would never advocate buying one of these and using it for some purpose other than what is written on the

02:15:59 asciilifeform: package. Doing something like that would show profound disrespect for our betters in the bureaucracies. And if I did suggest something like that, there?s no telling the trouble that it would bring down on my head.'

02:16:01 asciilifeform: ^ l0lz!

02:16:33 asciilifeform: 'Ask yourself this: If they can wreck such a normal and traditional item like this, and do it largely under the radar screen, what else have they mandatorily malfunctioned? How many other things in our daily lives have been distorted, deformed and destroyed by government regulations? If some product annoys you in surprising ways, there?s a good chance that it is not the invisible hand at work, but rather the regulatory grip

02:16:34 asciilifeform: that is squeezing the life out of civilization itself.'

02:17:08 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: do you know where this file resides? 6. Compile Eulora Add the following line to ~/.bash_profile:

02:17:25 asciilifeform: ^ actually 9 out of 10 times that i smash some piece of shit from sheer contempt, it is because of chinafication and 'market' penny-shaving, rather than direct usg mandated suck

02:17:30 mircea_popescu: i dont but try find -name bash.profile ?

02:18:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from what i gather the proposition is that these aren't different.

02:18:05 mod6: next they'll sell us a toothbrush that doubles as a jackhammer. won't need to prop up the dental insurance companies any more, no one will have any more cavity laden teeth.

02:18:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is just so. but i don't think the fella who wrote the linked piece, would agree

02:18:28 mircea_popescu: it has a little leg to stand on, at least. inasmuch as usg claims a mandate to regulate everything, every failure of regulation is on their head.

02:18:54 mircea_popescu: well, what people do and what people mean to do may diverge, but nobody cares about the latter. the fellow who wrote it necessarily agrees, in the writing.

02:19:26 asciilifeform: the gas can item is notable for the sheer ham-handedness of the usgification

02:19:33 asciilifeform: normally they find some way to 'market-wash' the suck

02:19:44 asciilifeform: make it seem inevitable, wholesome, capitalistic.

02:20:06 asciilifeform: like that chinese flashlight, with micro and eeprom

02:20:16 *: asciilifeform learned that he still has the pieces of that thing, in a box, somewhere

02:20:23 decimation: or the phasing out of proper refrigerant

02:20:42 asciilifeform: ^ nah, that was quite a bit more like the fuel cna

02:20:44 asciilifeform: can

02:20:48 decimation: heh true

02:20:56 asciilifeform: 'envirowhinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly.' -- uncle al

02:21:31 mircea_popescu: or the incredibly colonialist "now that the third world can produce lightbulbs, it's time to 'move on' to a toxic 'alternative' that looks god awful and will poison the immediate environment with mercury"

02:21:39 mats: fake pyrex

02:21:49 mats: le sigh

02:21:50 mircea_popescu: imo that's the top of the list of that stupid shit, and it's not even usian

02:21:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and when they gear up to blow the glass, fill it up? time for white led

02:22:00 asciilifeform: full of rare earths

02:22:17 mircea_popescu: yes. the lightbulb scandal is the one thing to hang people for.

02:22:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76174 @ 0.00055117 = 41.9848 BTC [+] {2}

02:22:25 mircea_popescu: actually even above the "global warming" sham.

02:22:30 asciilifeform: the white led has got to be an asian revenge for the ccfl though

02:22:35 asciilifeform: usa is poor in rare earths

02:22:49 mircea_popescu: usa is poor in anything but bison.

02:23:03 asciilifeform: until recently - helium was a u.s. monopoly

02:23:27 asciilifeform: but it was spent. (how? homeland severity! neutron detectors at border checkpoints, $maxint)

02:23:47 decimation: actually they have plenty of them in the ground, it's just not very profitablel to mine/process

02:24:04 asciilifeform: it's a decay daughter

02:24:11 asciilifeform: so only so much of it in there, at one time.

02:25:29 decimation: no I meant the rare earths, helium is a problem

02:25:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall the philips cartel? the history of 'squeeze the third world out of light bulbs' is almost a century long !

02:25:55 decimation: really there's no 'running out' of any element - just 'no longer cheap'

02:26:14 asciilifeform: japan was supplying 'cartel-breaking' edisonian bulbs, to the great annoyance of cartel, in the '30s iirc

02:26:35 asciilifeform: made largely by hand, in ragtag workshops

02:27:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205196 << eh bs.

02:27:02 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 01:43:53; ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds << prole ownership of cars is going away. period.

02:27:14 mircea_popescu: usians are going away. not to be confused with actual trends for actual people.

02:28:02 mats: http://sphincs.cr.yp.to/index.html

02:28:03 assbot: SPHINCS: Introduction ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrMjvk )

02:28:56 trinque: "Special note to law-enforcement agents" << sad that they felt this needed to be said

02:28:59 mats: >Special note to law-enforcement agents: ... We are not talking about eliminating other types of states. We love most states, especially yours! Also, "hash" is another technical term and has nothing to do with cannabis.

02:29:02 trinque: heh yeah

02:29:10 decimation: "Signatures are 41 KB"!!

02:29:54 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: proles are people nao?

02:29:56 mircea_popescu: "including bigger batteries and a quicker acceleration mode, called "Ludicrous." That option will take the car from zero to 60 miles per hour in 2.8 seconds. During the hold music for the online press conference, the automaker played some of Ludacris' music"

02:30:17 decimation: mircea_popescu: what else you expect, selling baubles to idiots?

02:30:18 mircea_popescu: bunch of retarded fucking monkeys. http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/v/19733f9b5da9864601475a8ba7c48a8d3e902be4/img/editors/sebastian-blanco.jpg << this inept fuckwit really thought THAT is what needs to be reported.

02:30:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrMqqG )

02:30:26 mircea_popescu: do they even have schools in usia anymore ?

02:30:48 decimation: it's the human angle, see

02:31:10 mircea_popescu: mats could have been lol but it lost me at "post-quantum"

02:31:26 mircea_popescu: i see the monkey angle there, is the thing ;/

02:31:33 mats: but, djb

02:32:13 mircea_popescu: ;;ud djb

02:32:13 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=djb | Not Djb or DJB but sometimes d~J~b. Looks better in dresses than I do. ._.

02:32:19 decimation: lol

02:32:24 mats: Daniel J Bernstein

02:32:47 mircea_popescu: o that guy. mkay.

02:33:25 ben_vulpes: i wonder how pete woulda treated the tesla

02:34:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205248 << been pointed out to death, this, but somehow the 75k fucktards who bought it just glaze over and it flies past them and everyone else knew already so doesn't care.

02:34:02 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:02:37; asciilifeform: and that's all you get in this mega-car ?!

02:34:24 mircea_popescu: anyway. yes, electric car is a piece of shit submarine-airplane joint nonsense, specifically because there is no battery equivalent of fuel.

02:35:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205252 << if ~ terrorists would also use batteries instead of bombs.

02:35:07 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:03:20; decimation: if batteries were about 10x more energy density they would be the no-brainer solution

02:35:25 decimation: good point

02:36:07 decimation: or they would just laser-cut their way through 'strong points'

02:36:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205281 << i'm cheering for that anon schmuck working on a perpetuum mobile to succeed too.

02:36:15 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:07:12; mats: i'm cheering for tesla to somehow succeed, if musk improves batt tech thats a net win for mankind

02:36:23 mircea_popescu: the problem is, idiots working on wrong problems are not a net win for humanity.

02:36:40 decimation: yeah is there any evidence he has improved batteries or is even working on it?

02:36:50 mircea_popescu: which incidentally, since you don't ask, is exactly how love and hate works in this channel.

02:36:59 mircea_popescu: the more resources one throws at a wrong problem, the more thoroughly reviled.

02:37:03 mircea_popescu: the converse also holds.

02:37:03 gernika: Incidentally, I had the completely opposite impression that Tesla was catching on - having recently seen Tesla recharging stations at a Holiday Inn in Winnemucca. Seems I should have weighted more heavily the fact that -- no one was using them.

02:38:08 mircea_popescu: decimation well, hes improved the mass production part.

02:38:20 mircea_popescu: you can now get a 70kwh battery for cheaper than in 1995.

02:39:00 decimation: yeah I linked a teardown awhile ago - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2014#837328

02:39:00 assbot: Logged on 20-09-2014 17:12:50; decimation: asciilifeform: some guy bought a 'salvaged Tesla' and did a teardown of the battery pack: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/34934-Pics-Info-Inside-the-battery-pack

02:39:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205312 << no. the main advantage is the screwdriver.

02:39:06 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:10:35; decimation: the main advantage to workstations: ecc and raid

02:39:42 mircea_popescu: decimation yeah. and the impression i got, from there an' everywhyere lese, is exactlly this : neat execution, uninnovative.

02:39:50 mircea_popescu: there's nothing new there but they made it cleanly.

02:39:57 decimation: yeah, just a big package of standard lithium batteries

02:40:21 mircea_popescu: now if the us could just get over itself collectively and reach the humility of chinese peasants cca 1970, the us would be all ready to be china thirty years ago.

02:40:33 mircea_popescu: people like that black dude in wc metro are actually helping.

02:41:25 decimation: the liberal elite are trying the hardest to avert their eyes from him

02:41:47 mircea_popescu: this "liberal elite" thing...

02:42:04 mircea_popescu: i dunno that the us has an elite. merely a perception of such a thing does not cosntitute one.

02:42:25 mircea_popescu: who exactly, outside of that idiot mit kid, actually says "we are the elite and move out of our way" ?

02:42:41 decimation: somebody fills the plum book, decides what the ny times prints, prints usd, etc

02:42:58 mircea_popescu: if i go up to obama and take a leak on his shoes he's going to say "that's inappropriate" isn't he.

02:43:03 mircea_popescu: or "that wasn't necessary" or some bs.

02:43:05 mircea_popescu: what elite ?

02:43:14 mats: http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120041623

02:43:15 assbot: Charge Rate Modulation of Metal-Air Cells as a Function of Ambient Oxygen Concentration - Patent application ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrNhHP )

02:43:30 decimation: you would be tackled and arrested (by 'his' people)

02:43:44 mircea_popescu: and charged with anything but "failing to respect the elite"

02:43:52 mircea_popescu: which is the tell tale sign of the absence of such an elite.

02:44:00 mircea_popescu: im all for prosecuting them AS IF THEY WERE, it's right and proper.

02:44:03 mircea_popescu: but that aside : they aren't.

02:44:21 mats: am not an expert by any means but this air-metal stuff looks 'next gen'

02:44:22 decimation: they certainly pretend to it

02:44:30 mircea_popescu: not in so many words.

02:45:12 mircea_popescu: unaware, unready, unprepared and undesirious.

02:45:19 mircea_popescu: an elite in all senses of the term that are negative.

02:45:27 mats: http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120041625

02:45:29 assbot: Efficient Dual Source Battery Pack System for an Electric Vehicle - Patent application ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrNv1I )

02:45:52 gernika: Who was the last known elite person in usia? Someone in the Sicilian mafia? (serious)

02:46:30 decimation: mats: people have been coming up with battery tech for ages, with incremental improvement. I hope they can actually produce it

02:46:36 mats: I tend to think of the Kochs when 'elite' comes to mind

02:46:44 mircea_popescu: gernika possibly the psoriasis banker guy

02:47:09 decimation: mats: the Kochs are universally reviled by the east coast set

02:47:43 mircea_popescu: i imagine the sentiment is mutual.

02:48:25 TomServo: h

02:48:37 mats: how about the Kennedys, then

02:49:03 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1166/netflix-inc-will-trade-at-least-790-usd/ wut a bet.

02:49:04 assbot: BitBet - Netflix Inc will trade at least 790 USD per share before July 24th :: 1.26 B (21%) on Yes, 4.64 B (79%) on No | closed 23 hours 38 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbt0xs )

02:49:21 mircea_popescu: mats the kennedys never went out with a "we're better than you, so do it this way"

02:49:28 mircea_popescu: i suppose you can count the moon thing, if you wish.

02:49:30 gernika: !s psoriasis

02:49:31 assbot: 3 results for 'psoriasis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=psoriasis

02:49:37 mircea_popescu: gernika jpmorgan.

02:49:56 mircea_popescu: how goes TomServo

02:50:20 gernika: ah so it's been over 100 years.

02:50:23 williamdunne: What on earth made them think that they would go that high

02:50:56 mats: yeah wtf is this bet? NFLX is at 114

02:51:15 hanbot: mats mind the 7/1 split

02:51:44 mircea_popescu: look who's not following teh market >D

02:52:18 mats: o, what's the ticker for the other

02:52:33 phf: i thought in u.s. liberal elite is a keyboard for professorial types with feminist wives, who go to opera and listen to npr

02:52:38 williamdunne: that makes sense

02:52:52 phf: *keyword

02:53:07 mats: nvm

02:53:19 decimation: phf: yes, the same ones who staff usg bureaucracies and corporations

02:54:58 phf: decimation: "we like to listen to tchaikovsky. incidently alexander berzshinkiy is playing our favorite tchaikovsky works at kennedy center next month."

02:55:07 hanbot: the same ones who'd buy a keyboard cause it's called 'elite'

02:56:19 mircea_popescu: phf yeah, middle aged men looking about as sad as the nayor of mew york.

02:56:31 mircea_popescu: such an iconic image, that.

02:57:04 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-elephant-in-the-room/#selection-51.1-51.8 << there. that's your "liberal elite"

02:57:05 assbot: The elephant in the room on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrOqz9 )

02:57:22 mircea_popescu: in a shitty 70s suit, looking like they won the zoo lottery and it's more monkeys.

02:57:40 decimation: what do you expect? being carried in the streets in a litter?

02:58:01 mircea_popescu: if that's what elite is...

02:59:11 mircea_popescu: if anyone wonders what "lich" in that pic is, http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/albany/2015/06/8570923/lich-act-passes-assembly

02:59:12 assbot: LICH Act passes Assembly | Capital New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbtsf3 )

02:59:16 mircea_popescu: apparently NEEDS MATTER!111

03:00:20 decimation: it's more complicated than you might think. in many us states it is against the law to build a hospital unless you 'prove' that there's a 'need' for one

03:01:10 decimation: http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/con-certificate-of-need-state-laws.aspx "In 1964, New York became the first state to enact a statute granting the state government power to determine whether there was a need for any new hospital or nursing home before it was approved for construction."

03:01:51 mircea_popescu: the notion of "approved" for construction is foreign to my mental universe.

03:02:21 mircea_popescu: ima build a fucking wizard tower on my own land if i feel so inclined, and if anyone doesn't like it ima add cannons to it.

03:02:39 decimation: ^ that's highly illegal in nearly all locales in the us

03:02:47 decimation: especially if the plans are unapproved

03:03:11 mircea_popescu: i guess neartly all locales in the us are fortunate i don't give a shiot about building anything there.

03:03:52 decimation: some places in rural bumfuck you can do it though: http://www.sangres.com/colorado/national-forests/sanisabel/bishopcastle.htm

03:03:53 assbot: Bishops Castle ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrOQFL )

03:05:57 TheNewDeal: mp, I've got a talented phocomelus that can man your wizard tower. 5 star techie

03:06:23 decimation: " If you do stop and talk to Jim, you'll discover that the hardest work in the whole project was fending off all kinds of attacks on him and his work coming from the federal government and the National Forest Service: he's on private property but he's surrounded by National Forest and the feds want complete control of everything. In Jim's words: the only thing they haven't done is they haven't shot him, yet."

03:06:37 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal cool!

03:07:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00054358 = 9.7301 BTC [-]

03:07:28 mircea_popescu: decimation adding that nonsense to the porcfest nonsense (or was it burning man ?) i'll lol once every house in the us has to have a special bathroom for any visiting cops

03:07:34 mircea_popescu: that the residents may not use

03:09:03 TheNewDeal: that was required by 3rd amendment v2.0

03:09:14 TheNewDeal: must haz cops

03:09:19 decimation: yeah it was burning man when usg agent demanded royal tent serviced by servants

03:10:28 decimation: the powerpoint even demanded that the thing be called 'blue pit'

03:10:59 mircea_popescu: and to think 99% odds are all these shenanigans is because the sexually deprived twerp was trying to get laid with some marginally fuckable middle aged woman.

03:12:57 decimation: he kinda implied he was better than 'little people', does that make him elite?

03:15:51 mircea_popescu: did he say it ?

03:16:25 mircea_popescu: you gotta ask the girl out to be a man. that's the bar. you don't ask, you're not a man. you hint at her you might like to, you're a lesbian trapped in a transsexual's body, not a man.

03:16:28 mircea_popescu: elite works the same way.

03:17:15 decimation: I doubt there was a blank on the permit form that allowed one to declare one's superiority

03:17:32 mircea_popescu: which is why form pushers can never be elite.

03:17:38 mircea_popescu: clerks are clerks.

03:17:54 mircea_popescu: they can hang as elite, sure. a hare can hang as a fox.

03:18:05 mircea_popescu: but it can never BE a fox, while living. nor can these pencilnecks be elite.

03:21:06 decimation: in this sense, the us is like a jealous mob - always keeping one eye out for the unforgivable crime of trying to clamour above the others

03:21:26 mircea_popescu: well, democracy.

03:21:32 mircea_popescu: ;;seen xemist

03:21:32 gribble: I have not seen xemist.

03:22:02 TheNewDeal: an envious lot, I think jealousy goes to far... implies too much work

03:22:57 TheNewDeal: methinks*

03:24:42 mircea_popescu: what's your definition of jealousy ?

03:25:08 TheNewDeal: you know. Seeing pencilneck prick drive a jaguar down the road. Slober at him, then go home and watch tv to forget

03:25:18 mircea_popescu: and envy ?

03:25:29 TheNewDeal: ah shite

03:25:33 mircea_popescu: lol yw.

03:25:35 decimation: ;;dict envy

03:25:36 gribble: wn: envy n 1: a feeling of grudging admiration and desire to have something that is possessed by another [syn: {envy}, {enviousness}] 2: spite and resentment at seeing the success of another (personified as one of the deadly sins) [syn: {envy}, {invidia}] v 1: feel envious towards; admire enviously 2: be envious of; set one's heart on [syn: {envy}, {begrudge}]

03:25:36 TheNewDeal: that was my envious example

03:25:43 decimation: ;;dict jealousy

03:25:44 gribble: wn: jealousy n 1: a feeling of jealous envy (especially of a rival) [syn: {jealousy}, {green-eyed monster}] 2: zealous vigilance; "cherish their official political freedom with fierce jealousy"-Paul Blanshard

03:26:07 TheNewDeal: I was thinking jealous should be the superlative

03:26:10 mircea_popescu: i ask because this is a fine example of english being a pigdin, where dictionaries don't define and nothing means anything specific

03:26:15 TheNewDeal: ;;ud jealous

03:26:15 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jealous | For instance, envious/jealous behavior such as a friend has a nice new car and instead of being truly happy for them you badmouth them or the car or make up ...

03:26:20 mircea_popescu: in sane languaged jealousy is sexual and envy material

03:26:31 mircea_popescu: but apparently that's not widely known in english.

03:27:04 danielpbarron: i thought it was that you're jealous of your own things and envious of other people's things

03:27:04 TheNewDeal: whats that one commandment about neighbor's wives?

03:27:22 mircea_popescu: "make sure they're always pregnant" ?

03:27:49 decimation: ;;dict covet

03:27:50 gribble: wn: covet v 1: wish, long, or crave for (something, especially the property of another person); "She covets her sister's house"

03:27:50 TheNewDeal: covet

03:27:51 phf: covet

03:27:54 TheNewDeal: that's the ticket

03:27:57 phf: ha

03:28:16 mircea_popescu: may be a false friend, it comes from a time when wives were just another kind of chattel.

03:28:21 TheNewDeal: a person's wife is obviously their property. This material vs sexual is getting to intermingled

03:28:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89350 @ 0.00054796 = 48.9602 BTC [+] {5}

03:28:30 mircea_popescu: don't covet another man's fleet of ships, gaggle of cunts or flock of deer.

03:28:39 mircea_popescu: this obviousness doth not follow.

03:29:03 TheNewDeal: have you published an actual 10 commandments yet? We need a v1.0

03:29:17 mircea_popescu: i don't believe in the prescriptive approach.

03:29:18 TheNewDeal: not some fairytale nonsense

03:30:07 TheNewDeal: It can be something cheesy along the lines of the native american 10 commandments http://www.nativevillage.org/Inspiration-/ten_native_american_commandments.htm

03:30:08 assbot: The Ten Native American Commandments ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6jLhh )

03:30:33 mircea_popescu: da fuck is this respect

03:30:52 TheNewDeal: like in da Ali G sense

03:31:12 mircea_popescu: http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/04/29/the-ten-commandments-of-liberalism-n1830696

03:31:14 assbot: The Ten Commandments Of Liberalism - John Hawkins - Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6jKdc )

03:31:23 mircea_popescu: http://www.getfrank.co.nz/editorial/features/the-10-commandments-for-drinking-like-a-man

03:31:24 assbot: The 10 Commandments For Drinking Like a Man ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6jQ4i )

03:31:30 mircea_popescu: check it out - everything on the internet is a list now.

03:31:36 TheNewDeal: truly

03:31:53 mircea_popescu: pretty sad indictment of the intellectual capacity of the people behind it.

03:32:08 TheNewDeal: usians crave buzzfeed and chive, nothing more, nothing less

03:32:13 mircea_popescu: even english lit professors a few decades ago would have laughed this pedestrian bullshit out of class.

03:32:24 decimation: http://spinroot.com/p10/

03:32:25 assbot: The Power of Ten -- Rules for Writing Safety Critical Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrQQh7 )

03:32:32 mircea_popescu: "oh, you have no clue about composition so take refuge in the bullet point ? go back to the hoe."

03:34:33 TheNewDeal: 60 lines, what kind of piss-ass function is this? takes that many to clear the registers and program counter

03:34:46 TheNewDeal: update the PC

03:36:17 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X178JL8Gr2U

03:36:18 assbot: The Notorious B.I.G (Ten Crack Commandments) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrRawh )

03:36:21 mircea_popescu: " Snapping, clapping, yelling, whistling or just general rudeness to someone waiting on you are a sure sign to anyone in your company that if they spend enough time around you, you?ll eventually treat them with the same selfish nonchalance and disdain that you treat those who are paid to be nice to you."

03:36:23 mircea_popescu: motherfucker.

03:36:53 mircea_popescu: someone "paid to be nice^H^H^H^H be my servant who fucks up his DUTIES is going to be called to task. before a sound beating.

03:37:08 mircea_popescu: and yes, anyone else contemplating the same position'd better get in their skulls that no, they don't get to fuck around on the job.

03:37:22 mircea_popescu: here we sit discussing "elites" in a space that doesn't even know how to keep the servants in line

03:37:35 mircea_popescu: or more importantly, that there IS such a thing as servants, and such a thing as a line for them to keep to.

03:37:44 mircea_popescu: what fucking elite. start by keeping a household.

03:37:48 mircea_popescu: elite comes a century thereafter.

03:38:06 decimation: levelers gotta level

03:38:07 TheNewDeal: it's a land of servants, and the alleged elites are house-negros

03:38:45 mircea_popescu: anyways. off to look for slithy toves.

03:38:48 mircea_popescu: the life i lead...

03:38:56 punkman: do they still make english butlers?

03:39:21 ag3nt_zer0: well I just spent a few hours following that eulora mac guide and last 2 steps yielded this: Install1 /usr/local/eulora/lib/libxdelta3-0.0.a ...failed updating 4 target(s)... ...skipped 8 target(s)... ...updated 15 target(s)... xxxx-Mac-mini:eulora MacMini$ ./euclient -bash: ./euclient: cannot execute binary file

03:39:46 ag3nt_zer0: so think I am done as I don't know what the hell I am doing

03:40:28 decimation: early yarvin had a point about this: "You are a Catholic. Your parents were Catholics. You were educated by Catholics. You are governed by Catholics. All your friends are Catholics. All the books you've ever read were written by Catholics.

03:40:29 TheNewDeal: just pay someone here to do it

03:40:36 decimation: "How do you convince this guy or gal that the answer to all the world's problems is not "more Catholicism"? How do you say, um, dude, this Trinity thing - the virgin birth - transsubstantiation... ya know...

03:41:16 TheNewDeal: who's those yarvin character?

03:42:29 TheNewDeal: and for the record punkman, the 10 crack commandments shouldn't be grouped with the liberal buzzfeed nonsense, because that's legitmate knowledge passed down by a semi-respectable ruffian

03:43:13 ben_vulpes: more like a jester, retelling stories he heard knights bandying about

03:43:37 *: ben_vulpes to numb the family-in-law with more booze

03:44:36 decimation: TheNewDeal: it's mencius moldbug: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/04/case-against-democracy-ten-red-pills.html

03:44:37 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: The case against democracy: ten red pills ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6kkrh )

03:44:50 punkman: TheNewDeal: yeah those 10 are not so bad

03:44:53 TheNewDeal: never heard him referred to as yarvin

03:45:05 decimation: it's his real name, curtis yarvin

03:45:13 TheNewDeal: doxxed!

03:45:27 TheNewDeal: I jest

03:51:05 TheNewDeal: decimation I had a friend convice me quite shortly after being confirmed as a Catholic. Just need to be open-minded. Tough for a large majority of sheeple

03:51:08 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: In Romanian is new and first the same word?

03:51:33 williamdunne: ignore me

03:51:41 williamdunne: Trying to work out why a translation is so poor

03:52:20 decimation: TheNewDeal: I have no problem with catholics, but what's not obvious from what I pasted is that moldbug is making a point about being submerged in a particular point of view from birth

03:52:39 decimation: usians know nothing other than rabid egalitarianism

03:52:41 *: danielpbarron has a problem with catholics

03:53:25 decimation: heh yeah I'm not a fan of the pope and the authority of the church over scripture

03:54:33 TheNewDeal: egalitarianism is the biggest epic fail of usian existence

03:55:34 TheNewDeal: but hey, write it on a few pieces of parchment, print it on the money, and it must be true

04:07:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00055244 = 38.2288 BTC [+] {2}

04:08:03 TheNewDeal: I must stfu and catch up on many a log. May be looking to resell part of a bitbet in the near future (approx 1 week from now). Keep that in mind if it sparks your interest

04:08:12 danielpbarron: !up Bingo_bar

04:08:56 Bingo_bar: Oh I wish Zimbabwe were in dixie

04:09:04 Bingo_bar: Hooray

04:09:11 Bingo_bar: Hooray

04:10:21 ag3nt_zer0: http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/Public/articles/The_Destruction_of_the_Christian_Tradition_Part_1-by_Rama_Coomaraswamy.aspx

04:10:23 assbot: "The Destruction of the Christian Tradition (Part 1)" - an essay by Rama Coomaraswamy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HF593L )

04:10:58 TheNewDeal: !down

04:11:06 TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal

04:11:14 Bingo_bar: Oh I wish I were in Dixie land to take my stand.

04:11:44 Bingo_bar: To live or die in dixie

04:12:23 Bingo_bar: Hooray

04:12:27 Bingo_bar: Hooray

04:13:18 Bingo_bar: I wish I were in Dixie

04:13:21 decimation: Bingo_bar: you at stone mountain?

04:13:27 Bingo_bar: Hooray

04:13:31 Bingo_bar: Hooray

04:13:37 decimation: !down Bingo_bar

04:13:46 decimation: !up lolballz

04:15:18 lolballz: bb found the jukebox?

04:15:26 decimation: !up Bingo_bar

04:15:29 Bingo_bar: Niggers, too many here

04:15:49 Bingo_bar: I wish

04:16:54 Bingo_bar: Anyone here loan me a dead bigger for storage

04:17:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70095 @ 0.00053227 = 37.3095 BTC [-] {4}

04:19:19 lolballz: 2@37.5 bb

04:19:22 williamdunne: Is there a sign saying dead nigger storage?

04:27:28 lolballz: rock out

04:29:27 lolballz: with yer cock out

04:30:44 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cryptome.org/2015/07/1-7B-anonymous-comments.htm << lulzy re: 'reddit' et al

04:30:44 assbot: 1.7 billion "anonymous" comments from 5% of the internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HF6O9w )

04:30:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:36:14 lolballz: ziggy played guitar

04:36:31 punkman: I need more disks

04:36:53 punkman: with all the terrabyte sized datasets floating around

04:43:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00051835 = 11.5333 BTC [-]

04:53:47 punkman: http://atechdad.com/Deanonymizing-Darknet-Data/

04:53:48 assbot: Deanonymizing Darknet Data · atechdad ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcPlLx )

04:54:34 punkman: (fellow finds GPS coords in images from that darknet dataset linked yesterday)

04:56:39 punkman: !up lolballz

04:59:22 lolballz: u greeks brew nice beer, why are u so broke?

05:01:00 punkman: they export greek beer?

05:01:45 lolballz: yep, not like italian beer made locally

05:02:18 punkman: mediterranean beer is awful

05:02:26 lolballz: we're getting proper peroni now

05:03:00 lolballz: tasmania has some excellent ones, hops barley and water

05:03:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00051442 = 16.0499 BTC [-] {2}

05:03:40 punkman: there's the odd small-scale brewery that makes ok beer

05:03:47 lolballz: half the country drinks beer from cazallatown

05:04:27 punkman: but really all spanish/italian/greek beer I've had is almost as bad as heineken or worse

05:05:13 lolballz: i don't mind heineken, i like to know what my armpit smells like tommorrow

05:06:02 lolballz: the hops are unique

05:06:57 lolballz: tazzie blends em

05:08:24 lolballz: well

05:08:52 lolballz: like "single malt"

05:09:15 lolballz: doent mean shit if u can do it

05:09:20 lolballz: *can't

05:12:55 lolballz: fuck a larger tho, gimme an ale

05:13:52 lolballz: and so, i prefer a single malt

05:14:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00051868 = 18.3094 BTC [+]

05:14:46 punkman: any of those left that Diageo doesn't own?

05:15:07 lolballz: you want a nice cigar?

05:16:12 punkman: nah

05:17:49 lolballz: just accessible info?

05:20:50 lolballz: yeah id swap everything for a good cigar

05:24:36 lolballz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NhqN0KcWAE

05:24:37 assbot: Luscious Jackson - Naked Eye - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFbhcp )

05:37:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57889 @ 0.00051432 = 29.7735 BTC [-] {3}

06:03:06 decimation: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/09/hitlers-thoughts-on-the-euro/ > "I’m halfway through Look Who’s Back, a book in which Hitler wakes up in 2011 and, homeless and friendless, ... The Reichsmark was no longer legal tender, even though others—probably some clueless dilettantes on the side of the victorious powers—had clearly adapted my plan to turn it into a European-wide currency. At any rate, transactions were now b

06:03:07 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Hitler’s thoughts on the Euro ... ( http://bit.ly/1fcAS4P )

06:03:49 decimation: being carried out in an artificial currency called “euro,” regarded, as one would expect, with a high level of mistrust. I could have told those responsible that this would be the case."

06:04:19 decimation: "“Haven’t you ever been abroad?” “Well, obviously: Poland, France, Hungary . . .” “OK, they’re inside the EU.” “And the Soviet Union.” “You got in there without a passport?” I thought about it for a moment. “I cannot recollect anybody having asked me for one,” I replied confidently."

06:07:26 pete_dushenski: decimation: kinda funny to consider what the man woulda thunk had he been time warped into the present eh.

06:07:36 decimation: heh yeah

06:07:48 pete_dushenski: this quote, of course, being the first of two that greenspun wrote on 'look who's back'

06:08:27 pete_dushenski: the second being the inspiration and provocation for my 'turns out you wanted hitler after all' article

06:09:17 pete_dushenski: i definitely appreciate how prolific phil is. i've been visiting his blog daily the last couple weeks.

06:09:24 decimation: heh awesome, I was just gonna lookup the nazi platform

06:09:34 decimation: you saved me the trouble

06:10:13 pete_dushenski: and added my free commentary whether you wanted it or not !

06:14:17 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205408 << a question that may yet be answered some day.

06:14:17 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:33:25; ben_vulpes: i wonder how pete woulda treated the tesla

06:14:46 pete_dushenski: someone in my meatwot is bound to splurge for one, and it'd then just be a matter of time before i snagged some seat time.

06:15:38 decimation: heh this nazi stuff is lulzy, looks much like the modern lefty platform - save the anti-immigrant stuff

06:15:52 decimation: which is actually pretty rational if you are gonna make a 'nationalist' welfare state

06:15:53 pete_dushenski: given that i was able to attract a fair few steers of unusual and exciting personally owned autos with my old blog, it should be a cinch with contravex's broader readership as a selling point

06:16:43 pete_dushenski: decimation: the anti-immigration, the free education for gifted only, and the get off your lazy ass elements are the only differences i could really spot

06:17:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00053186 = 13.2965 BTC [+]

06:17:31 pete_dushenski: but hey, times change (albeit modestly) and usians are emphatically not teutons

06:17:37 pete_dushenski: not entirely, at least.

06:17:48 decimation: actually, the white part has a significant portion

06:18:12 decimation: but their cultural distinctiveness has long disappeared into germanic surnames

06:18:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2148 @ 0.00053186 = 1.1424 BTC [+]

06:18:50 pete_dushenski: what's 'significant' ? 10% ? 20% ?

06:19:16 decimation: I think more than that, more like 50%

06:19:58 pete_dushenski: even with all the irish, italian, and eastern yurapeans ?

06:20:00 pete_dushenski: seems high.

06:20:53 pete_dushenski: "The ten largest ancestries of American Whites are: German Americans (16.5%), Irish Americans (11.9%), English Americans (9.2%), Italian Americans (5.5%), Mexican Americans (5.4%), French Americans (4%), Polish Americans (3%), Scottish Americans (1.9%), Dutch Americans (1.6%), and Norwegian Americans (1.5%)" << via 2008 census bureau

06:21:01 pete_dushenski: boom. called it ;)

06:22:00 pete_dushenski: "It's still an honorable thing to get a Ph.D. " << bahaha on what planet is this ?

06:22:08 decimation: interesting, I thought it was higher

06:22:23 decimation: I'm sure that the relative portion is higher in certain regions like the midwest

06:22:30 pete_dushenski: "It's not as if the Wiz Schools have killed CS at universities. Not yet, anyway." << mkay then. pass the pipe.

06:23:55 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204995 << #b-a is for adults, not kids.

06:23:55 assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 23:24:38; williamdunne: 00:06:08 - gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: reference material for ben+pete's school for kids who might maybe not suck one day <<< isn't that what #b-a is anyway? At least that's how I'm trying to use it.

06:24:20 pete_dushenski: kids gotta climb the ladder before they can jump off the diving board into the deep end.

06:24:38 pete_dushenski: lift head before sit up, crawl before walk, etc.

06:26:56 decimation: apparently wisconsin, daktoas german ancestry is 'self reported' to be ~40%, roughly 20% through the midwest

06:27:12 decimation: http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/c2kbr-35.pdf

06:27:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fcDxeM )

06:27:41 pete_dushenski: where it's cold and the people hardier, basically.

06:28:10 decimation: yes, and that area happened to be where land was cheap when the wave of germans were fleeing derpiness/overcrowding

06:32:12 decimation: actually many in that time period saw the centralization of the prussian mega-state and decided to leave... because there was somewhere to go

06:32:28 pete_dushenski: right. it wasn't the urbanites that were fleeing the old world so much.

06:32:43 pete_dushenski: or if they were urbanites, they weren't died in the wool urbanites

06:32:51 pete_dushenski: like, say, teh jooz

06:33:03 decimation: initially it was poor folk with no other choice, but many in hte 1830-1860 bulge were people of some means who were 'voting with their feet'

06:33:17 decimation: as their ancestral homeland/city-states were steamrolled

06:33:34 pete_dushenski: lol not hard to imagine 2030-2060 usa being similar

06:33:52 decimation: no, but the problem in 'where is the frontier'?

06:34:08 pete_dushenski: that's a point.

06:34:27 pete_dushenski: the number of countries offering free fertile soil to industries immigrants is awfully limited

06:34:35 decimation: really, it was a rare point in history where people of some means had alternatives

06:34:35 pete_dushenski: industrious*

06:34:39 decimation: most people for most time do not

06:36:00 pete_dushenski: well there's always money in the banana stand...

06:36:08 pete_dushenski: by which i mean, there's always south america

06:36:44 pete_dushenski: only 400 mn people currently in the southern half and inhabited by a reasonably conquerable people

06:37:34 pete_dushenski: latin america is certainly a better opportunity than, say, asia, africa, the middle east, or europe for those usians looking for an exit door

06:49:33 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205306 << ahem. -does- no wrong.

06:49:33 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:09:47; ben_vulpes: razr did no wrong

06:55:34 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205396 << sop to suck automaker cock and gargle balls in car blogosphere, of which 'autoblog' once ruled the roost (they still might even, but i doubt it, even though i stopped paying attention)

06:55:34 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:30:18; mircea_popescu: bunch of retarded fucking monkeys. http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/v/19733f9b5da9864601475a8ba7c48a8d3e902be4/img/editors/sebastian-blanco.jpg << this inept fuckwit really thought THAT is what needs to be reported.

06:56:11 pete_dushenski: writing about every little retarded marketing detail is par for the course.

06:56:53 pete_dushenski: this is what passes for "being observant" in an industry where you can't actually criticise the plastic balls of shit you drive every week.

06:57:12 pete_dushenski: lest you, y'know, bite the hand that feeds you.

06:59:04 pete_dushenski: as far as car news sites and writers go, there's literally no other branch of 'journalism' that's so bereft of intellectualism, individualism, and integrity

06:59:13 pete_dushenski: this is very much by design.

07:00:07 pete_dushenski: derps like sebastian get wrung through the gawker-esque grinder for a fraction of the rate of internal marketing staff at an automaker

07:00:52 pete_dushenski: and to largely the same effect, with the added bonus of the illusion of independence to what i can only assume are very slowly-witted readers.

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07:11:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44983 @ 0.000541 = 24.3358 BTC [+]

07:11:40 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205499 << well with that kinda tall shadow being cast onto the street, and that sort of whimsical 'build whatever wherever whenever' attitude, you're just gonna drive a stake through the heart of your pedestrian-friendly utopia, mister

07:11:40 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 03:02:21; mircea_popescu: ima build a fucking wizard tower on my own land if i feel so inclined, and if anyone doesn't like it ima add cannons to it.

07:23:34 mircea_popescu: yeah i know

07:23:39 mircea_popescu: i'm not ready yet.

07:27:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205598 << eventually there's going to be a binary for macs as well, so check back in a few weeks

07:27:04 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 03:39:46; ag3nt_zer0: so think I am done as I don't know what the hell I am doing

07:30:07 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you're also not alone here. i'd be pleased to offer my urban planning and architectural services to the cause :D

07:30:25 mircea_popescu: hehe l

07:30:26 mircea_popescu: k*

07:34:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody will care.

07:34:57 mircea_popescu: there's this very strange delusion where twerps on the internet and beyond imagine someone, somewhere, (important! secret!) gives a shit what they do.

07:35:15 mircea_popescu: in point of fact the various governmenbts don't have enough of a clue to even keep track of the most direct threats to their very existence,

07:35:26 mircea_popescu: let alone random twerp in montana not possessed of enough intelligence to find a mate.

07:36:20 mircea_popescu: and in any case "the right to be forgotten" comes from the same set as "the right to fried chicken". forgetaboutit.

07:39:36 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: how went the slithy toves this eve ?

07:39:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205707 << hitler was a national-socialist, the current lefties are international-socialists

07:39:39 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 06:15:38; decimation: heh this nazi stuff is lulzy, looks much like the modern lefty platform - save the anti-immigrant stuff

07:39:48 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski poorly. still none found.

07:40:25 pete_dushenski: hm. tough gig.

07:40:30 mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/64967f37cc6cd78ef79fd75bc46cdb4b/tumblr_n625ybJIET1t7h3z1o1_1280.jpg

07:40:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fSDPZk )

07:41:48 pete_dushenski: re: modern leftist : they're inter-everything, inter-sexual, inter-raced, inter-gendered, all the way to inter-opinionated

07:42:06 pete_dushenski: where 'every opinion is valuable... unless it's mean !'

07:55:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8956 @ 0.00053252 = 4.7692 BTC [-]

07:58:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74200 @ 0.00053235 = 39.5004 BTC [-] {2}

07:59:01 pete_dushenski: "As faking a 7 percent figure takes more risk than releasing a lower but real one, China has no motives to forge the data... It is hence groundless to suspect the NBS faked its statistics." << cute.

08:06:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00053186 = 20.4234 BTC [-]

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08:21:57 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.bitstein.2:c6425fc9b7bc8e79dc702b54d5d0ec5414ad73b61b10728dc9432eb06cc1f72a

08:21:58 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for bitstein from 1 to 2 with note: doing god's work on social media. https://twitter.com/bitstein

08:24:29 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.mircea_popescu.4:e29fd8985f2d0012bbacc5e9ca3f45037fdf14c37bddce4ebf46752b89fa5176

08:24:29 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 2 to 4 with note: still the mpex rabbi

08:27:30 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.danielpbarron.2:7da19ed5834cd7e319ea1fc69b27cda70efb9e5c75e8e39dda74af49967f5b88

08:27:30 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: priestly feller. doing god's work on sm. https://twitter.com/danielpbarron

08:29:17 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.jurov.4:9b4b6d115c7e3ae9efa66c174d0b1cb0d980b7fbbf1fccd227565c1a6956c928

08:29:17 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 2 to 4 with note: coinbr broker.

08:31:31 pete_dushenski: should do it for tonight.

08:35:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00054629 = 27.4238 BTC [+] {2}

08:39:38 cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo cascade or boags?

08:39:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

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08:49:47 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205785 <<< riddle me this.. is it women who desire the buttsecks more so than men?

08:49:47 assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 07:40:30; mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/64967f37cc6cd78ef79fd75bc46cdb4b/tumblr_n625ybJIET1t7h3z1o1_1280.jpg

08:52:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50460 @ 0.00055781 = 28.1471 BTC [+]

09:04:31 mircea_popescu: womenz don't desire teh buttseks, womenz desire to be hurt by a cool guy. buttseks' means to an end.

09:04:48 mircea_popescu: further study http://41.media.tumblr.com/5717b7cceb4ab697fca7355e63f60faf/tumblr_mzfa0mCnIN1qbgewho1_1280.jpg

09:04:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DmDu61 )

09:17:09 cazalla: can't say i'm too fussed on the idea and both times i was pressured into it and obliged because if i don't, someone else surely will, in it goes

09:18:03 jurov: cazalla: own experience?

09:19:32 cazalla: yeah how else would i know?

09:20:15 cazalla: just to clarify.. i fucked them, not some weird ass pegging shit if you're trying to set me up with some cool meme

09:21:34 jurov: ;;ud ass pegging

09:21:35 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging | anal sex reveresed. instead of the man sticking his penis up the womans butt, the woman wears a strap-on and sticks it up the mans butt.

09:22:19 cazalla: jurov, do you remember your first blow job?

09:22:52 jurov: no

09:23:19 cazalla: guess ya sorta derailed my joke then

09:24:39 jurov: dude was not very keen on bj's, went straight for the ass

09:33:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47540 @ 0.0005282 = 25.1106 BTC [-] {2}

09:40:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00053552 = 23.0809 BTC [+] {2}

09:50:41 shinohai: @ cazalla "not some weird ass pegging shit" < Traps perhaps?

09:52:08 shinohai: Nothing to top off the weekend like a relaxing prostate massage.

09:54:00 shinohai: think of them as hot girls with snipped dinglies.

09:54:53 cazalla: would ya give bailey jay a bit?

09:55:21 jurov: ;;ud bailey jay

09:55:22 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bailey+Jay | Also hotter than most women you'll ever meet. "Hey, did I seriously just catch you fapping to Bailey Jay?" "Hell yeah! No homo." by Bill27 March 31, 2014. 43 1.

09:55:24 shinohai: For say 5 BTC then yeah, I'd turn down the lights and plow that.

09:56:15 shinohai: Slap dat ass with Icy Hot and ride!

09:58:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47854 @ 0.00054093 = 25.8857 BTC [+]

09:59:35 cazalla: shinohai, seems relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjxTrrbjmx0

09:59:36 assbot: Rog on traps - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jozioh )

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11:24:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7922 @ 0.00054743 = 4.3367 BTC [-]

11:59:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00053935 = 7.0655 BTC [-]

12:03:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36778 @ 0.00054743 = 20.1334 BTC [+]

12:09:18 cazalla: ;;isup qntra.net

12:09:22 gribble: qntra.net is down

12:21:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25441 @ 0.00055804 = 14.1971 BTC [+]

12:27:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61067 @ 0.00054747 = 33.4324 BTC [-]

12:53:34 shinohai: qntra isup 4 me

13:36:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00054931 = 29.1134 BTC [+] {2}

13:38:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00055255 = 20.472 BTC [+]

13:44:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00055541 = 26.8818 BTC [+] {3}

13:58:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74750 @ 0.00055705 = 41.6395 BTC [+] {3}

14:18:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47093 @ 0.00053935 = 25.3996 BTC [-]

15:20:44 mircea_popescu: mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ?

15:29:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00053766 = 15.7534 BTC [-] {3}

16:01:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00053645 = 21.0825 BTC [-]

16:09:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00053497 = 20.4626 BTC [-] {2}

16:16:39 thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net

16:16:43 gribble: qntra.net is down

16:30:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50050 @ 0.000556 = 27.8278 BTC [+] {2}

16:55:58 Naphex: https://xotika.tv/#/channel99/hotgirlforyou

16:55:59 assbot: XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iamc1x )

17:07:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00056434 = 43.3413 BTC [+] {3}

17:51:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14771 @ 0.00056983 = 8.417 BTC [+] {3}

17:52:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00057057 = 19.2567 BTC [+]

17:57:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2007 @ 0.00111 = 2.2278 BTC

18:03:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00056383 = 21.2 BTC [-]

18:03:49 shinohai: woo-hoo @ Naphex \o/

18:04:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63900 @ 0.00057108 = 36.492 BTC [+] {3}

18:09:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53909 @ 0.00055875 = 30.1217 BTC [-] {4}

18:10:58 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? << Yeah. I believe 'stator' + { eat/dump block, rm testnet & verifyall } should be the 5.4 release unless anything additional is submitted before we can finish testing & bundling release.

18:12:37 punkman: mod6, debug_sanity perhaps?

18:13:20 mod6: As far as testing, so far everything seems to be working ok -- i've fully sync'd 1 stator build, and i've got 2 more full sync's running curretly: one gentoo x86-64 w/glibc & one OpenBSD x86-64 w/glibc

18:13:44 punkman: did anyone try musl yet?

18:14:00 mod6: One of my goals for this week (and I'm running a bit behind) was to create a test matrix for everything that needs to be tested for this forthcoming release. I hope to at least get a start on that here today yet.

18:14:08 shinohai: mod6: is your stator on a pogo?

18:14:13 mod6: <+punkman> mod6, debug_sanity perhaps? << maybe.

18:14:29 mod6: <+punkman> did anyone try musl yet? << yeah, check out ascii's comments from yesterday

18:14:36 mod6: <+shinohai> mod6: is your stator on a pogo? << nope

18:14:42 shinohai: :/

18:15:42 mod6: Haven't had enough spare time to dig into it. Been hectic enough just trying to keep up with all the incoming patches.

18:16:28 shinohai: i havent gotten past stator 0.5.4 w/blockdump

18:17:18 mod6: ascii only has 3 patches post blockdump (eatblock, rm testnet, verifyall)

18:17:39 mod6: not a huge deal. nothing super critical there, just nice-to-have type of ones.

18:17:48 shinohai: ok, then that is just 2, and testnet isn't important

18:18:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.0005714 = 14.8278 BTC [+]

18:18:05 mod6: punkman has his debug_sanity, but I hvane't had a chance to test version two, and it's not a super high priority for me at this very moment.

18:18:30 TomServo: mod6: Was your OpenBSD recipe made public somewhere?

18:18:34 mod6: especially if anyone is helping test or whatever and they need debug_sanity they can just apply the patch to their local codebase.

18:18:51 mod6: same as any of the others: dump/eat block, verifiy all etc.

18:19:01 punkman: I'm gonna do debug_sanity part2 too

18:19:11 mod6: TomServo: it's not my recipe. i'll dig it up

18:20:00 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000118.html

18:20:01 assbot: [BTC-dev] openbsd patch ... ( http://bit.ly/1MhDb4G )

18:20:24 shinohai: I shamefully decided yo put all my crap in a github repo. There is no better way right now for me to organize it all.

18:20:52 mod6: punkman: ok cool.

18:21:08 punkman: mod6: any wishes on that front?

18:21:49 mod6: honestly I don't have anything in mind at all.

18:21:58 punkman: I'd really like the debug.log to be parseable, that's the main motivation here

18:22:15 mod6: make something work for you on your end, see if it makes sense, and if it does, perhaps submit the changes.

18:22:44 TomServo: mod6 and Philippe, thanks

18:23:21 mod6: for anything to make it into the next release, the patch must be 100% perfect and apply perfect. if I hvae to do any mental gymnastics or gyrations to apply a patch or whatever, it wont make it in. there's already a large enough scope on this release.

18:23:27 mod6: TomServo: anytime

18:24:37 shinohai: anyone got a arm static binary of stator build?

18:27:23 shinohai: i offer no patches. I control my server 100% with crude shell scripts xD

18:27:41 mthreat: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/18/what-other-currencies-besides-bitcoin-have-experienced-inverse-debasement-basement/

18:28:04 mthreat: "What other currencies besides Bitcoin have experienced inverse debasement? ('basement'?)"

18:33:59 mod6: Anyway, most of the submissions so far have been pretty top notch. We want to encourage people in the WoT to submit patches. If something is submitted but doesn't make it into a release right away, that certainly doesn't mean it won't be pulled in to a later milestone.

18:34:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00057165 = 30.0974 BTC [+] {2}

18:35:20 mod6: I think it's great. If you've got an idea or something you wanna discuss for submission, this is where that type of discussion happens. Keep it up! :]

18:37:30 mod6: phf: keep an eye out for punkman's debug_sanity-part2 -- or maybe you both can coordinate together so that all three of these patches will play together nicely: debug_sanity-part1-corrected, debug_sanity-part2 and milli timestamps

18:38:37 trinque: shinohai: bashops is bestops!

18:40:57 punkman: I thought of incorporating milli timestamps as an option in part2

18:50:27 ben_vulpes: did someone say bashops?

18:52:20 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski find someone who's a shareholder, they can do test drives

18:52:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:03:41 ben_vulpes: <punkman> mod6, debug_sanity perhaps? << i've yet to play around with this one in depth

19:03:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00054879 = 26.3419 BTC [-] {3}

19:04:15 punkman: ben_vulpes, doesn't do much

19:04:28 punkman: main attraction is removing the wx crap

19:04:36 mod6: which was nice for sure

19:04:49 mod6: that needed to happen at somepoint.

19:05:13 ben_vulpes: aha

19:05:26 ben_vulpes: <shinohai> I shamefully decided yo put all my crap in a github repo. There is no better way right now for me to organize it all. << you know that you can have a git repo on disk without ever pushing it to shithub?

19:05:58 ben_vulpes: gotta love these rubyists, centralizing all of the decentralized things. shithub, keybase...

19:06:01 ben_vulpes: i blame davout

19:07:35 ben_vulpes: <punkman> I'd really like the debug.log to be parseable, that's the main motivation here << this is an excellent goal. a+ if you crap out an EBNF to go along with it, instead of some "protocol is in the code" parser script.

19:14:47 mod6: i'm gonna throw in debug_sanity-part1-corrected to my next build/sync test, and look at the output/impact of the patch. i should have some more meaningful comments after that.

19:17:06 mod6: doesnt look like that one was generated with -pU either though.

19:17:11 mod6: does stuff like this:

19:17:11 mod6: @@ -45,24 +45,6 @@ Object JSONRPCError(int code, const string& message)

19:18:24 punkman: mod6, -U is the default, not sure how to turn the comments after @@

19:18:36 punkman: (I did -pU, didn't change anything)

19:18:55 punkman: *turn off

19:28:52 ben_vulpes: how does returning an error from a function in bitcoin turn into a line in debug.log?

19:29:15 punkman: printf is redefined as OutputDebugStringF

19:29:37 punkman: which decides whether to write to debug file or print to console

19:30:21 ben_vulpes: unfh okay i get it

19:30:27 punkman: also if you grep for "fprintf(stdout/stderr" you can find some that never go to debug log

19:31:13 ben_vulpes: well this is a whole project, innit.

19:31:28 ben_vulpes: do you have a plan for v2?

19:31:32 punkman: and there's also PrintException, PrintExceptionContinue, error() and more

19:31:47 punkman: I do not have a plan

19:32:10 ben_vulpes: i think i missed the debug sanity feedback threads too.

19:32:14 ben_vulpes: BUT ANYWAYS

19:33:25 mod6: <+punkman> (I did -pU, didn't change anything) << ah ok. git must have stripped that helpful information from the patch. fuck git.

19:33:27 ben_vulpes: so yeah a patch to excise the wx crap is great and wonderful and thank you etc, but i'd like to see it split from changes to logging behavior

19:34:01 mod6: anyway, i'll have to just repatch up everything myself and re-add your changes.

19:34:10 mod6: and then do a `diff -uNr`

19:34:56 ben_vulpes: mod6: does the patch not apply cleanly?

19:35:01 punkman: mod6, what's missing from git output?

19:35:35 mod6: ben_vulpes: the old one did not, because of perhaps something the ML did to the patch; stripping out an empty line at the end of the file.

19:35:52 mod6: <+punkman> mod6, what's missing from git output? << if you used -pU, it doesn't reflect that in the patch

19:36:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178300 @ 0.00056746 = 101.1781 BTC [+] {6}

19:36:21 mod6: diff --git a/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp b/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp

19:36:49 mod6: normally diff will put the flags passed to it into the patch file.

19:37:08 ben_vulpes: but /does it apply cleanly/ ?

19:37:21 mod6: i dunno yet. i haven't tried the new one.

19:38:01 mod6: i want to make it clear that it seems /slightly less readable/ to me because of: @@ -45,24 +45,6 @@ Object JSONRPCError(int code, const string& message) << this type of thing.

19:38:22 punkman: I kinda like that it includes the function name

19:38:36 punkman: I can strip it next time

19:39:43 mod6: i dunno, i guess im just used to the other way.

19:39:44 ben_vulpes: i like it too, but it's probably git stockholm.

19:41:33 punkman: ben_vulpes: git stockholm? what's so bad about git

19:43:09 ben_vulpes: punkman: i live and die by the dvcs, i like it just fine. mod6 hates it for some reason that's unclear to me, so i'm allowing for the possibility that i just have stockholm syndrome.

19:44:46 punkman: btw the sqlite guy has his own versioning system, it's kinda cool http://fossil-scm.org/

19:44:47 assbot: Fossil: Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1MAtWcO )

19:46:27 ben_vulpes: a shit that looks nifty

19:57:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00055116 = 14.6609 BTC [-]

20:23:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00055802 = 4.8827 BTC [+] {2}

20:57:43 jurov: http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2015/35-visually-stunning-czechslovak-films-that-are-worth-your-time/

20:57:44 assbot: 35 Visually Stunning Czech/Slovak Films That Are Worth Your Time « Taste of Cinema ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ib00WE )

21:09:38 decimation: there was a baker who makes potica at the farmer's market this morning

21:09:55 decimation: I think in Slovakia it's orechovník

21:11:27 jurov: yes

21:13:26 jurov: and its brother makovník, best stuffed by so much poppy seed that it makes you very sleepy

21:13:39 decimation: and makes you fail drug tests?

21:14:33 jurov: tests for opiates are unheard of here

21:15:25 jurov: and poppy seed is not addictive, just tasty

21:15:44 decimation: I've heard that this is a common problem in the us

21:16:06 decimation: nearly everyone does drug testing here

21:16:17 decimation: even to work at the corner grocery

21:22:27 jurov: !up hazirafel

21:24:39 trinque: openbsd's upgrade process is surprisingly (and refreshingly) easy

21:24:51 trinque: boot installer kernel -> mash enter -> reboot -> sysmerge

21:24:53 trinque: love it

21:25:44 mod6: my obsd 5.6 full sync is up to block: 189480

21:26:12 trinque: nice

21:26:16 mod6: gentoo nomultilib glibc: 322021

21:26:33 mod6: im workin on that test matrix now.

21:27:16 mod6: i've got 22 scenarios worked up

21:27:25 mod6: well, planned 22 so far.

21:27:50 trinque: nice, I am happy to help with that process

21:28:02 trinque: awaiting orders

21:28:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59900 @ 0.0005619 = 33.6578 BTC [+] {2}

21:29:34 decimation: I tried to get stator working on osx 10.6.8 (32-bit macbook1,1)

21:29:49 decimation: boost fails to compile

21:29:52 mod6: cool! thanks. yeah, we're gonna need as much help as we can get testing. and as soon as we have a solid test plan developed, then we'll cut a release candidate for testing.

21:29:55 decimation: I'm going to try to get the macports version

21:30:15 trinque: mod6: I've got an opteron box, pogo, i7, obsd i386, off the top of my head

21:30:24 mod6: We'll be on the R.C. until we're satisfied everything is the way we want it.

21:30:42 mod6: ok great trinque

21:31:24 mod6: i think the arm/pogo stuff is going to be have to be tested separately perhaps.

21:31:42 mod6: i don't/haven't ever setup the buildroot stuff.

21:32:00 mod6: but people could certainly and appreciatedly take this task on for themselfs.

21:32:01 trinque: I've gone through it once, got the turdel served up over telnet

21:32:08 trinque: hm, maybe I can help with that one then

21:32:12 trinque: been wanting to make my pogo do something

21:32:12 mod6: *themselves

21:32:48 trinque: what's called for there? push-button rebuild and deploy of turdel with a newly built bitcoind?

21:32:58 mod6: yeah, i think there will be some further discussion around that. maybe dbp can help head up that side of the testing if he's willing (other than alf) he's probably got the most exp with the thing.

21:33:13 mod6: personally, i'm pretty clueless with the whole thing as of now.

21:33:25 trinque: anyhow, I have weekend cycles and hardware, lemme know what helps

21:34:10 mod6: yeah, there would just be: Scenario: Create static bitcoind via buildroot, tfpt (or whatever??) to device, begin full sync

21:34:17 mod6: or something like that perhaps

21:34:25 *: trinque nods

21:35:07 mod6: thanks for your offer to help trinque!

21:35:24 trinque: of course

21:35:43 mod6: one other thing I gotta do is update the gentoo-uclibc guide to a new guide for nomultilib glibc, should be fairly easy. then test it on my pos box.

21:35:51 mod6: i'm gonna need another box to test on anyway.

21:36:14 felipelalli: ;;isup qntra.net

21:36:17 gribble: qntra.net is down

21:37:22 trinque: ^imo a news site being ddosed ought to be a matter of pride

21:37:24 trinque: heh

21:37:35 felipelalli: yes!

21:38:16 felipelalli: make a paid backup version, like fraudsters

21:38:39 felipelalli: keep both online, but when the free version is being attacked at least you have an alternative

21:39:22 felipelalli: or at least a kind of login where you have to sign a challenge with a GPG key L2 > 0 with assbot.

21:41:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00055597 = 12.9819 BTC [-]

21:45:35 trinque: felipelalli: were there a gossipd, it'd subsume this whole http mess entirely

21:46:24 trinque: first off, you have the choice of not dealing with people directly, but through any number of.. call 'em "gateway nodes"

21:46:31 trinque: *you being qntra

21:47:07 trinque: second, any node accessing qntra has the option of caching the data and making it available for their own gossipd peers

21:47:27 trinque: throw signatures into the mix and you have a completely unbreakable "website" hosting situation

21:47:43 trinque: the thing utterly needs to exist, and yesterday.

21:49:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00055597 = 19.5145 BTC [-]

22:01:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46038 @ 0.00055597 = 25.5957 BTC [-]

22:06:44 trinque: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/world/middleeast/saudis-cast-net-for-isis-sympathizers.html << It does appear that the Saudis are quite concerned.

22:06:47 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdKcmp )

22:06:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:13:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00055359 = 3.0171 BTC [-]

22:20:56 cazalla: ugh this morning.. i step outside and slip on my ass because the decking is covered in frost.. first one this winter, at least the brusselsprouts will enjoy it

22:22:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00053937 = 18.5004 BTC [-] {2}

22:37:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00055359 = 33.7136 BTC [+]

22:42:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00053916 = 8.2491 BTC [-]

23:05:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.0005536 = 14.0614 BTC [+] {2}

23:33:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57250 @ 0.00054606 = 31.2619 BTC [-] {2}

23:59:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43743 @ 0.00053916 = 23.5845 BTC [-]