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00:00:06 nubbins`: sweet

00:00:10 nubbins`: backups, important

00:00:21 mircea_popescu: good idea.

00:00:23 mats_cd03: are there still posters available my good man

00:00:26 *: danielpbarron high-fives mats_cd03

00:00:31 nubbins`: almost as important as knowing how to recover from said backups :D

00:00:43 nubbins`: mats_cd03, the last one was sold a few days ago :/

00:00:43 mircea_popescu: backups differ from copies in exactly that manner.

00:01:36 mircea_popescu: "My critics will often take a binary stance in their arguments with this idea citing that ?they could never be with more than one woman at a time out of respect for her? or ?so I should just lie to her and see other girls on the side?? To which I?d argue that these are feminized social conventions that attempt to thwart a man?s options in order to establish women as the prime selectors in intersexual relati

00:01:36 mircea_popescu: ons. If it can be conditioned into a boy/man to ?feel bad? about seeing more than one woman at a time, it only better serves the female-as-chooser dynamic."

00:01:46 mircea_popescu: holy shit these meninists dudes are completely fucking retarded.

00:02:01 nubbins`: mats_cd03: one guy bought like 10, you could try asking him

00:02:12 mircea_popescu: all this derpage about how they want to "escape a female view of life and everything" yet they think of it through purely monogamous, "rel;ationshipy" eyes.

00:02:27 mircea_popescu: not a single one of them so far happened on the idea that you know what ? women must PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS.

00:02:36 mircea_popescu: that the male idea of life is a harem not a fucking "ltr"

00:02:38 mats_cd03: who dat?

00:02:46 mircea_popescu: ltr means a long term relationship with a number of women who fuck together.

00:02:53 mircea_popescu: not fucking romantic comedy setups

00:02:56 mats_cd03: as an aside, the tools ddrescue and scalpel are pretty cool.

00:03:07 nubbins`: his username on the forums is TECSHARE

00:03:18 mircea_popescu: ;;seen tecshare

00:03:18 gribble: I have not seen tecshare.

00:03:23 mircea_popescu: i coulda sworn

00:03:29 mats_cd03: i have to sign up on the forums? i guess ill wait for batch 2

00:03:34 BingoBoingo: ;;seen techshare

00:03:35 gribble: I have not seen techshare.

00:04:39 nubbins`: ah, let me see here

00:05:13 nubbins`: punkman and thenewdeal both ordered two, i think

00:05:29 nubbins`: maybe kako too

00:05:32 mircea_popescu: omg customer confidentiality

00:05:38 nubbins`: it's in the logs!

00:05:40 mircea_popescu: zomg*

00:05:55 BingoBoingo: lol, this shit is still ALL online http://heavensgate.com/book/05.htm

00:05:56 assbot: Overview of Present Mission

00:07:06 nubbins`: mats_cd03 i guess i could sell you my copy (artist's proof)

00:07:25 nubbins`: i dunno tho ;(

00:07:45 mircea_popescu: lol 2ndary poster market.

00:07:49 mircea_popescu: only in b-a

00:09:59 nubbins`: inorite?

00:11:14 BingoBoingo: Now nubbins` just has to make counterfeit posters

00:11:53 nubbins`: twist: everyone got poster number 17/100

00:12:52 BingoBoingo: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-liable-20140917-story.html

00:12:52 assbot: Court upholds civil verdict against LAPD for withholding evidence - LA Times

00:14:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.191 = 0.573 BTC [+]

00:18:00 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

00:21:44 mircea_popescu: lmao disqus now sells advertising

00:22:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How else were they going to defend the pretense the commenter's traffic habits weren't their actual product?

00:22:30 mircea_popescu: http://nhc.noaa.gov/

00:22:56 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no but i mean the idiocy of people. "let's give away value to this company, so it can make money off of us for free!11"

00:23:08 mircea_popescu: this america is so fucking opposite of the classical america...

00:23:18 BingoBoingo: Very

00:23:32 mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown http://nhc.noaa.gov/

00:23:36 gribble: http://nhc.noaa.gov/ is down

00:23:45 BingoBoingo: I dunno that I can really elaborate much beyond that single word in response.

00:23:59 mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck is wrong with the world's most bankrupt government already. can't even keep HURRICANE WATCH website online ?

00:24:08 mircea_popescu: fucking thirld word banana republic.

00:24:34 BingoBoingo: Well I mean I've driven through a strike nearly every day this past week.

00:24:57 mircea_popescu: what so the datacenter is striking ?

00:25:06 BingoBoingo: Americans don't even know how to strike anymoar.

00:25:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, teachers.

00:27:05 BingoBoingo: After 4 years of pay freezes someone did the math and real estate going down 20% while everything else goes up 23% actually means they make less than they did when I was a wee lad.

00:28:23 BingoBoingo: But this is a bezzel, neither side is innocent.

00:29:04 mircea_popescu: what did the romanian doctor tell the diabethic who told his doctor his wife got candida and asked what to do ?

00:29:10 mircea_popescu: !up JimDowJones

00:29:17 mircea_popescu: herp.

00:29:45 mircea_popescu: !up JimDowJones

00:29:54 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nystatin?

00:30:10 mircea_popescu: "faceti bezele"

00:30:16 BingoBoingo: lol

00:30:19 mircea_popescu: ie, make merengue

00:30:42 *: mircea_popescu waits for that one to sink in

00:31:00 *: mircea_popescu then waits for the puking to be over

00:31:09 BingoBoingo: I really need to work on speaking Latin languages. Managed to make it through lunch today without speaking a word of English.

00:31:21 mircea_popescu: portuguese ?

00:31:33 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Mexican Spanish

00:31:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu then waits for the puking to be over << I've ate American Chocolate

00:32:25 nubbins`: but have you eaten romanian meringue?

00:33:56 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Not many opportunities for that in the Middle West.

00:36:14 mircea_popescu: well... someone made a marzipan replica of my cock once

00:36:16 mircea_popescu: closest i got.

00:36:38 BingoBoingo: Totally hippo-cracy. https://twitter.com/ScottWuerz/status/512332640976781312 Papelbon was suspended 7 games for grabbing his junk

00:36:39 assbot: Joe West suspended one game for grabbing and shoving Jonathan Pappelbon. Not enough to reign in one of mlb's most arrogant umps.

00:39:43 BingoBoingo: ;;google joe west umpire fat

00:39:43 gribble: Better Know An Umpire: Joe West - Deadspin: http://deadspin.com/5921160/better-know-an-umpire-joe-west; The Secret Lives of 8 Baseball Umpires | Mental Floss: http://mentalfloss.com/article/25121/secret-lives-8-baseball-umpires; Major league baseball is looking into jonathan papelbon's crotch-grab: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/15/major-league-baseball-is-looking- (1 more message)

00:43:04 BingoBoingo: "Except that yesterday Joe West, who in 2010 was ranked the 2nd worst umpire in the league, decided to expand the role of instant replay in baseball all by himself. Joe West opened the door for instant replay further than it's ever been opened. Joe West opened the door for our children to cry out that things are unfair, stomp their feet and call out for an instant replay. Sadly, he won't be there when a cute girl decides to go out

00:43:05 BingoBoingo: when someone else, or when you don't get the job you were more qualified for, or when you get blamed for something your brother did, or when someone butts ahead of you in line. And sadly, because Joe West chose to single-handedly change the game that taught us how to deal with a world that can sometimes be unfair, we may not have the character to deal with those situations."

00:44:03 kdomanski: mircea_popescu: so I'm listening on an IRC chan related to datacenter management software:

00:44:10 kdomanski: "my slaves don't seem to be able to determine who their master is. i confirmed they can talk to zookeeper just fine."

00:45:02 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--o5Ky47rP--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/17rmeieedv6bwpng.jpg

00:46:37 mircea_popescu: kdomanski lmao now that sounds like a problem.

00:47:00 kdomanski: the guy's getting technical support :D

00:47:18 mircea_popescu: anythig involving ties and chaining ?

00:47:30 kdomanski: do you have like a helpdesk for the harem?

00:48:05 mircea_popescu: well, there's the "help yourself" desk and the separate "helping girls memory" desk.

00:48:19 BingoBoingo: Why did I have no Joe West pictures here: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/10/a-place-i-was-pictures/ Dude was at the fucking game and we made fun of his FUPA the whole time.

00:48:19 assbot: A Place I was, Pictures | Bingo Blog

00:49:42 kdomanski: oh, the man issued a wrong command to his slaves

00:50:09 nubbins`: oh

00:50:19 nubbins`: that is incorrect behaviour for a master

00:50:38 nubbins`: perhaps the man will learn

00:51:21 BingoBoingo: I thought the correct default setting in case of a misunderstanding was always "build pyramid" so that in the worst case they can be located.

00:51:24 kdomanski: no chains though

00:51:59 BingoBoingo: You beat them so they don't need chains of a physical kind

00:52:38 mircea_popescu: lol build pyramid

00:52:58 nubbins`: there they are &c

00:53:00 BingoBoingo: It's like a beacon, but with a longer lifespan

00:53:12 kdomanski: WTF did you just do, giving mircea_popescu ideas

00:54:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo beating's a sport not a political tool.

00:56:18 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I agree. This is why I despise the NFL for its current war on RunningBacks. Still, I'd bet your two best against Rice-Petersen in a monument building contest.

00:56:32 BingoBoingo: Pyramids have to be politically neutral by now right?

00:56:40 mircea_popescu: this idiotic "i can be everything including a sex therapist" dude is giving advice to virgins, which includes... cialis.

00:56:57 mircea_popescu: because why the fuck not right, 18 year olds are such a splendid market for erection drugs.

00:57:11 BingoBoingo: Keeps them occupied longer

00:57:18 mircea_popescu: it's so fucking wrong...

00:57:27 mircea_popescu: why not lipitor while at it.

00:57:32 mircea_popescu: "take some, see what it does for you"

00:58:14 BingoBoingo: Well two very different questions. the erection drugs work simply and when they are gone, there aren't many downstream effects.

00:58:22 mircea_popescu: orly.

00:58:33 BingoBoingo: Lipitor though affects pretty much everything in the Master gland

00:59:45 BingoBoingo: The way Lipitor fucks with cholesterol it fuck with every derivative of cholesterol including all of the fun sex hormones.

01:00:26 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo up until the kid is in a skating accident and gets a dose of nitrate for paramedics

01:00:40 BingoBoingo: The erection drugs just trigger targeted vasodialation for roughly 30 seconds beyond the time they are metabolized to nothing.

01:00:50 mircea_popescu: to name just some random ill effect.

01:01:19 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo up until the kid is in a skating accident and gets a dose of nitrate for paramedics << What skaing accident could possibly call for nitrates?

01:01:48 mircea_popescu: i dunno, anything that convincingly enough mimics angina ?

01:02:37 mircea_popescu: like say a mechanical rib pinch of the pleura

01:02:38 BingoBoingo: Well, anything with bleeding would be a contrindication, which is what I think when I think skating accident...

01:03:16 mircea_popescu: derp boinks into something, has chest pains and shortness of breath, plsu irregular pulse

01:03:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> like say a mechanical rib pinch of the pleura << On the boner drugs that ought to be properly diagnosed as pneunothorax

01:03:48 BingoBoingo: A number of different kinds of irregular pulse exist.

01:04:11 mircea_popescu: the glyceril trinitrate is coming out "just to be sure"

01:04:19 mircea_popescu: overmedicated civilisation if there ever was one

01:04:28 BingoBoingo: Or epinephrine. Depending on the kind.

01:04:46 mircea_popescu: yeah but we're not talking of the ones that survive here :p

01:05:18 BingoBoingo: Hey, Hunter S Thompson had to finish MKULTRA's work himself...

01:05:32 mircea_popescu: and regardless this you know, possible avenue. it's just a dumb fucking idea

01:05:43 mircea_popescu: what virgin teenager has legitimate erection problems for crying out loud.

01:07:22 BingoBoingo: Ah, If you are talking American, the word legitmate has been ejected long ago.

01:08:03 BingoBoingo: There may be teenagers with erection problems though in the sense that they can't get off with a girl, because they are too conditioned to the habits of their own hand.

01:08:14 mircea_popescu: and how about you know, a bit of priapism for that matter.

01:08:29 mircea_popescu: inept dosage results in damagingly enduring erections even in old men.

01:08:50 BingoBoingo: Priaprism has an easy, mechanical solution... in that it deflates

01:08:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 30 @ 0.04500006 = 1.35 BTC [-] {2}

01:09:51 mircea_popescu: not to menton you know, making it too hard which is actually numbing

01:10:30 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, not to mention formatting one's idea of one's own sexual experience in a weird contrived manner.

01:10:44 BingoBoingo: Well, diabetics have a learning curve. THESE ARE SRS X-PERTS.

01:11:27 BingoBoingo: The actual danger though is making erect cock insufficiently scarce.

01:11:39 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3R5R03S.txt )

01:11:39 nubbins`: !b 1

01:11:57 mircea_popescu: not even sure that;s such a bad thing. let women live a little.

01:12:03 BingoBoingo: But the Tim Swanson of Erection Science LTD will never admit this.

01:14:16 BingoBoingo: I wonder when the last time inept Buenos Aires mugger dude had a solid boner was. Probably been a while.

01:14:33 mircea_popescu: i suppose given that south america decided boob jobs are apt gifts for 15 yo girls on their confirmation thingee, i shouldn't be too excited

01:14:43 nubbins`: lel

01:14:50 BingoBoingo: Those sunken cheeks, the way he seemed so ashamed to raise his firearm...

01:14:59 mircea_popescu: nubbins` here i saw the first underage female with impants.

01:15:30 nubbins`: i know a mexican girl who narrowly decided not to have plastic surgery at 16

01:17:34 BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure most of this Immigrants from down under scare in the US is more wife driven than blue collar man driven.

01:18:11 mircea_popescu: how's that wokr ?

01:19:13 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The whale like Anglos dun want the Hispanic women to steal their allowances.

01:19:48 mircea_popescu: interesting.

01:21:34 BingoBoingo: Think about the augmented Cali girl vs. Midwestern girl vs. Brazilian...

01:21:57 BingoBoingo: ;;google Mark Sanford Appalacian Trail

01:21:58 gribble: Mark Sanford disappearance and extramarital affair - Wikipedia, the ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford_disappearance_and_extramarital_affair; Mark Sanford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford; Back On The Appalachian Trail: Mark Sanford Breaks Up With ...: http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09/12/appalachian-trail-mark- (1 more message)

01:22:45 BingoBoingo: I think the actual scare is the literal "Lillian Rearden" scenario

01:23:05 mircea_popescu: well with the blessings of travel the differences aren't that marked physically. course, fat is fat, and annoying is annoying, whereas hungry is hungry and eager is eager.

01:25:45 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/artificial-sweeteners-linked-to-obesity-epidemic-scientists-say-1.2769196

01:25:45 assbot: Artificial sweeteners linked to obesity epidemic, scientists say - Health - CBC News

01:26:28 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/512412256953307136

01:26:29 assbot: /hashtag/CIASeal?src=hash http://t.co/HIwLiBGPs1

01:26:58 mircea_popescu: honestly thinking about it, the insanity of the crime levels in the us (both private and state-run) are what prevent more immigration.

01:27:07 mircea_popescu: not the ministration of blue collar anything, or any other electorate

01:27:33 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well with the blessings of travel the differences aren't that marked physically. course, fat is fat, and annoying is annoying, whereas hungry is hungry and eager is eager. << Probably also helps that Romanian is Perl, and... your ancestors are not vowel shift victims

01:27:43 mircea_popescu: just, your average sa guy that feels insecure in ba could simply not live in the us. at all. like you can't live in berlin cca 1948.

01:28:09 mircea_popescu: that's why it's mostly mexicans , not the proximity, but the only country with similar crime levels.

01:28:34 BingoBoingo: Actually anymore it isn't really much Mexicans

01:28:55 BingoBoingo: Central Americans in the too small to assert themselves states

01:29:02 mircea_popescu: ;;google spanish speakers in the us by country of origin

01:29:03 gribble: Hispanic Origin Profiles, 2010 - Pew Hispanic Center: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/06/27/country-of-origin-profiles/; Hispanic and Latino Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans; Hispanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

01:29:45 mircea_popescu: 65% mexicans dawg, what you on about

01:30:15 BingoBoingo: Totals are lagging indicators though.

01:30:35 mircea_popescu: yeah well here's an idea : costa rica is like 2 mn total.

01:30:50 mircea_popescu: for it to matter in there it needs to find two dozen more central american countries

01:32:23 BingoBoingo: Well, I'm immediately more concerned about "minimalist travel the other direction.

01:33:48 mircea_popescu: yeah, did you end up in jail or what was recently ?

01:35:57 BingoBoingo: Not yet.

01:36:18 BingoBoingo: Lawyer has yet to follow up on me about what the next hearing of whatever is.

01:37:43 BingoBoingo: Still pushing for some sort of University job here for long enough to get an escape plug of cash at least

01:41:44 BingoBoingo: This is disconcerting given how optimistic the lawyer's last conversation was.

01:44:36 BingoBoingo: In the worst case though if this thing goes to trial... I can probably take at least two or three law licenses down with me.

01:45:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10130 @ 0.00075165 = 7.6142 BTC [+]

01:45:35 BingoBoingo: And thanks to local county mountie politics they'd all be in the prosecutor's office so no need for guilt about it.

01:46:36 BingoBoingo: As far as the seperate federal question goes, I'm just an expensive dead end.

01:49:23 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/512417969775730689

01:49:24 assbot: Comments on /fredwilson's blog post on Toshi by /coinbase show confusion about practical applications of blockchain: http://t.co/oELgOTtLDV

01:51:48 kakobrekla: fyi blockr code has nothing to do with toshi except its partially made by same people

01:52:19 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Oh, I thought Maybe toshi was just blockr stripped of the interface

01:52:27 kakobrekla: nope

01:52:47 kakobrekla: also blockr needs bitcoind to run, toshi does not

01:52:52 BingoBoingo: Ah

01:54:12 kakobrekla: in retrospect its a good thing.

01:57:36 BingoBoingo: Well, it is an improvement. Coinbase developing only Coinbase API to Coinbase hiring capable people to make useful things that may fuck them in the end.

02:03:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what exactly is keeping you in usa ?

02:04:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At this point... it seems to be a kind of morbid fascination of whether I first find library employment or three hots and a cot courtesy of the bezzel

02:05:18 BingoBoingo: Also a kind of curiosity. If the US let me know it wants to keep me here, can I leave anyways.

02:05:32 mircea_popescu: nuts dude.

02:06:15 asciilifeform: i can understand actually being stuck. this - no.

02:06:51 BingoBoingo: Also.. need a bit more time to practice the Spanish. And then there's the almost sick hope I might win the misdemeanor case nao.

02:07:36 asciilifeform: so say you win. then - ?. i, for instance, am not embroiled in any suits. wanna end up like me ?

02:07:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19982 @ 0.00002537 = 0.5069 BTC [-] {25}

02:07:59 BingoBoingo: Or maybe it is some sick programming override that was snuck up my butt at scout camp.

02:08:31 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your sitution wouldn't be a worst outcome.

02:09:11 *: asciilifeform is not entirely awake but will attempt explain

02:09:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: point is, 'even when you win rat race - still a rat.'

02:12:51 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SPz somehow the FBI manages to store me for a decade because I have no silk road info and at the same time keep my priv keys safe? The chance at being a possum instead of a rat?

02:14:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is why - airplane, suitcase.

02:15:11 BingoBoingo: ATM plan roughly looks like car, run out of gas, walk, border, airplane, suitcase

02:15:40 BingoBoingo: Mostly because I am not paying a motherfucking fee to the TSA

02:16:27 BingoBoingo: If I have to pay a TSA fee to fucking look at a USian aeroplane, I am fucking going to a mexican aeroporte

02:17:29 BingoBoingo: Not Canadian because winter is coming, I'd like to live long enough to have not eaten poutine.

02:18:01 asciilifeform: obligatory: http://xkcd.com/180

02:18:02 assbot: xkcd: Canada

02:18:40 TheNewDeal: hahahha

02:19:09 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Exactly that. Canadian citizenship is work. Argentine is staying out of their jails.

02:19:38 BingoBoingo: And no Argentine politicians have picked a rap beef with me yet.

02:19:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: remember why most people in usa - stuck. nothing to do with paperwork. just the banal fact that - no way to eat.

02:20:42 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If I get to the river that (is finally wet nao foiling my plans) I have ~ 2 days of food beyond that.

02:21:26 asciilifeform: then ?

02:21:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, what are rattlesnakes and Gila monsters made of?

02:22:16 asciilifeform: eat those for remaining days?

02:22:19 asciilifeform: can do that in usa.

02:22:33 BingoBoingo: Not this far North.

02:23:06 BingoBoingo: We have less fun critters of last resort in the outside pantry

02:24:19 BingoBoingo: In the worst case though the plan is to go pack and forth across the border with $40k stuffed up my ass each time

02:25:29 Namworld: What did you do? Need to get out of US, eh?

02:25:58 asciilifeform: Namworld: no need to have 'done'

02:26:04 asciilifeform: !s crime of american

02:26:05 assbot: 12 results for 'crime of american' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=crime+of+american

02:26:12 BingoBoingo: Namworld: I got interviewed by the FBI man, and Allegedly I spoke on issues of local politics in the neighboring counties

02:27:49 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's also the problem where I still dun have passporte

02:28:40 BingoBoingo: My fucking alabaster drive-thru lawyer has to be in practice probably the biggest nigger I have had the misfortune of trusting in my life.

02:29:18 *: danielpbarron doesn't have a passport either

02:30:21 danielpbarron: which reminds me of a conversation I had a while back, in which I speculated that someone who is sufficiently wealthy does not need a passport

02:30:31 Namworld: Oh, yeah... I see fraudsters article. I know of that law comics.

02:30:34 BingoBoingo: With respect to the issue of local corruption though... I might be up to doing a month in jail if it means I get 3-4 lawyers in the prosecutors office sanctioned. The Federal stuff though would make me walk.

02:31:18 BingoBoingo: The part where federal DA's routinely threaten people with 30 years in prison just to see if they can say anything interesting.

02:32:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you have what it takes to earn a living in the free world - don't wait for torquemada.

02:32:27 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEOV0O7k9YU << obligatory

02:32:27 assbot: Mel Brooks Torquemada - YouTube

02:32:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you don';t actually care about time it's likely cheaper to drive to mexico anyway

02:33:49 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> can do that in usa. << not legally.

02:34:12 BingoBoingo: Well, last I priced the esacpe it was ~300 dollars to the border and ~$2000 to hardware BA. Not counting the part where I leave the car in Laredo it die.

02:34:23 mircea_popescu: you cna prolly just sell it.

02:35:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That would require Title paperwork and all that. best to just leave the keys in with a sweater I bled all over half a mile from the bridge.

02:35:12 mircea_popescu: no it wouldn't lol.

02:35:29 mircea_popescu: sell it to a chop shop or w/e

02:37:01 BingoBoingo: An option maybe. I also headed to Argentina fear bringing in insufficient dollars to blue up.

02:37:54 mircea_popescu: you look burly enough, you can prolly get a job as an arbolito.

02:38:39 BingoBoingo: I'm all beard though an little muscle.

02:38:54 BingoBoingo: On the plus side though, little fat.

02:39:28 BingoBoingo: I guess I can bee a tree though.

02:40:23 mircea_popescu: arbolito = dudes hanging around florida trading dollars for pesos

02:40:42 BingoBoingo: Ah

02:41:23 cazalla: BingoBoingo, beards went from cool to terrifying here today

02:41:30 mircea_popescu: http://xkcd.com/191/

02:41:30 assbot: xkcd: Lojban

02:41:32 BingoBoingo: Like the dream version of the mov kind of involves everything I carry into harware #b-a being paper

02:42:36 BingoBoingo: cazalla: You forget I'm the sort of person at least one local politican wants to equate with Isis even though I am not the least bit fond of Sand Niggers.

02:43:59 BingoBoingo: I just wonder what the safe way to do BTC-Dollars-Pesos is when Pesos rise to 7 per dollar

02:44:41 cazalla: gov only just raised the terror alert to high here last week, i'm guessing this is in response to that, they arrested 15, i bet they let all but a few go once their show is said and done

02:45:01 mircea_popescu: cazalla 15 whats ?

02:45:15 cazalla: bearded terrorists

02:45:16 BingoBoingo: 'Murca never lets go.

02:45:39 BingoBoingo: In Murica you don't even need a beard to be a Turrorist. Heard it on KMOX.

02:46:35 cazalla: apparently heads were gonna roll in the streets of australia

02:46:40 cazalla: (let me grab my camera)

02:47:58 BingoBoingo: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/ferguson-mob-threatens-stl-county-leaders-if-darren-wilson-get-off-yall-better-bring-every-army-yall-got-cause-its-going-down/ << Bezzel\

02:47:59 assbot: Ferguson Mob Threatens StL County Leaders: If Wilson Get Off, Yall Better Bring Every Army Y Got, Cuz Its Going Down | The Gateway Pundit

02:48:32 mircea_popescu: i read that as "the gay pundit"

02:48:44 mircea_popescu: and i thought wtf, pundits are supposed to be all angry and glum, not gay

02:49:32 BingoBoingo: No they are all of the above, angry, gay, and glum

02:49:44 []bot: Bet placed: 2.89738396 BTC for Yes on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.48041982 BTC. Current weight: 80,754.

02:49:47 cazalla: poor kids in ferguson, just like the ones in this video, din do nuffins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQfg52m0-4o

02:49:47 assbot: Hey White People: A Kinda Awkward Note to America by #Ferguson Kids by FCKH8.com - YouTube

02:51:18 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Too young o engage in political speech

02:51:28 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

02:51:38 mircea_popescu: gee whiz look at that. just like south africa over there.

02:51:40 BingoBoingo: Speaking of young how are you devthedev

02:51:46 cazalla: BingoBoingo, the adults step in at the end to raise money for charities that fight racism

02:52:15 BingoBoingo: cazalla: No, people count in the insurection from the age of 16 to 36

02:52:46 devthedev: Good, how are you BingoBoingo?

02:52:50 BingoBoingo: If you need Cialis you are too old. If Cialis kills you by priaprism you are too young

02:52:54 BingoBoingo: devthedev: Not bad

02:53:03 BingoBoingo: devthedev: Just kinda paranoid as fuck

02:53:05 devthedev: Cialis is not for daily use

02:53:25 BingoBoingo: devthedev: Sure, approved for every other day though.

02:54:14 devthedev: I hope I never have ED.

02:54:33 BingoBoingo: devthedev: Don't we all

02:54:51 asciilifeform: 'Last Bullet Health & Life Insurance Co.' - covers ed...

02:54:59 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't mind. licking ain't so bad.

02:55:22 BingoBoingo: Only cause that cunt juice is psychotropic

02:55:37 mircea_popescu: no no i mean licking me

02:55:44 BingoBoingo: AH

02:55:49 TheNewDeal: bb did you have any other encounters after the first interview with the 2 derps?

02:55:58 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Not yet

02:56:17 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: But the paranoia I'm feeling is "special"

02:56:36 TheNewDeal: I think many would feel the same in your position

02:56:47 devthedev: Yeah, I can't even imagine.

02:57:00 mircea_popescu: eh dawg stop stroking it. nothing happened.

02:57:07 TheNewDeal: is it possible to get a passport though?

02:57:32 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Fucking county mounties on their high horse about last year's alleged misdemeanor

02:57:46 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm working on it.

03:00:49 *: BingoBoingo would just like to be employed in the US long enough to own a taxi somewhere else.

03:01:55 devthedev: Just move to Scotland, they'll be broken off from Britain soon enough.

03:02:23 BingoBoingo: devthedev: I'm not that good at swimming

03:02:36 devthedev: Would you like to borrow my boat?

03:02:49 BingoBoingo: devthedev: Is it blue water capable?

03:03:14 devthedev: Yep

03:03:36 devthedev: You'd have to pick it up in FL though.

03:04:28 BingoBoingo: devthedev: In that case Buenos Aires still seems a hell of a lot safer, but... Florida would offer me more places to stock up on Rum as opposed to taking the overland route.

03:05:18 BingoBoingo: I've seen Titanic. I know Scotland is surrounded by banshees.

03:06:41 BingoBoingo: devthedev: Also what sort of powerplant does your boat have?

03:08:02 TheNewDeal: nucular

03:08:06 devthedev: ^^

03:08:59 devthedev: You'd probably be better off with my Kayak then my wooden boat.

03:09:52 nubbins`: nucular!

03:10:07 BingoBoingo: devthedev: I smoke cigarettes though and get winded easily.

03:10:54 devthedev: Hm.

03:12:15 TheNewDeal: cannabis was my gateway drug to tobacco... if only they would have taught me in elementary school

03:12:20 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot devthedev

03:12:21 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=devthedev | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev | Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014

03:12:38 BingoBoingo: devthedev: You know you can voice yourself...

03:12:53 devthedev: Yeah, I'm not authed right now though.

03:13:08 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

03:13:17 devthedev: Thank you sir

03:13:32 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I dunno why... Nothing about Cannibais touches tobacco's awesomeness

03:14:43 TheNewDeal: I hung around people that mixed the two, started doing it myself, continued smoking as a habbit

03:15:53 devthedev: Something about inhaling hot smoke doesn't seem pleasant to me.

03:16:43 TheNewDeal: Temperature doesn't bother, but the lung capacity gets to you.

03:16:49 BingoBoingo: It's actually very comforting to the lungs from tobacco decline to comment on the lesser smoke

03:17:14 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I played a variant of the Tuba so maybe I have too much lung

03:18:44 TheNewDeal: I do some breathing exercises myself, but the effect from smoking is still noticeable. Along with decreased saliva production / transport through the esophagus

03:23:18 TheNewDeal: Can someone explain this bet to me? Why not wait 7ish days Bet placed: 2.89738396 BTC for Yes on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.48041982 BTC. Current weight: 80,754.

03:23:18 assbot: BitBet - 20% difficulty increase before 2015 :: 5.39 B (51%) on Yes, 5.09 B (49%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 80`729 (100`000 to 1`000)

03:25:59 mike_c: perhpas the bettor is not considering this period only.

03:27:00 BingoBoingo: Prolly

03:27:08 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

03:27:16 gribble: Current Blocks: 321271 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1288 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 15 hours, 20 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35103070731.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.67813

03:27:21 devthedev: Have a good evening everyone

03:28:21 mike_c: last 48 hours have been busiest two days for bitbet this month.. right after btcalpha launched the analyzer. coincidence?

03:29:08 TheNewDeal: was wondering that as well

03:29:44 TheNewDeal: lots of bets I had made that lied inactive for a long time were bet on after that was released

03:30:20 mike_c: well i am rooting for bitbet. tired of building tools that are obsolete a few months after i ship them.

03:31:13 TheNewDeal: would love to see them develop a separate set of betting system for price bets and difficulty

03:31:31 mike_c: what would you change?

03:32:16 TheNewDeal: the weight

03:32:37 mike_c: you can make bets with different weight. i used to make sports bets that ended at 90,000

03:33:11 TheNewDeal: well if you look at the bet I just pasted, the diff 20% increase one

03:34:07 TheNewDeal: it would be nice if the weight dropped to near zero almost every 2016 blocks

03:34:28 TheNewDeal: In the event that this bet turns out yes early, it will get murdered by yes

03:35:25 TheNewDeal: because 2000 blocks into each change, it's very easy to answer the question "will the current change be 20% or less?"

03:35:25 mike_c: take a look here: http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/877/

03:35:26 assbot: Bet 877 Analysis - Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014 - Btc Alpha

03:35:38 mike_c: note that higher weight had significantly higher ROI

03:36:06 BingoBoingo: I mean this diff thing is hitting Moore's law. Future 20% diffs require... big foundries...

03:36:22 TheNewDeal: theres no timestamps displayed?

03:36:30 mike_c: there's weight :)

03:36:48 mike_c: i could put timestamps, seemed redundant.

03:37:06 TheNewDeal: but how many days difference was there between say weight 99994 and weight 56297

03:37:08 TheNewDeal: it's important

03:37:35 mike_c: about 5 weeks

03:37:39 TheNewDeal: especially when one considers their return/day or return annualized

03:41:15 mike_c: well, if you are focused on return/day you should only bet on things that are going to close early.

03:42:09 TheNewDeal: well, risk has a part to play in it

03:42:25 TheNewDeal: for instance, I once bet on a "price will drop below 400 before X"

03:42:31 TheNewDeal: price dropped to exactly 400

03:42:34 TheNewDeal: no lower

03:42:54 mike_c: it's a tough way to make an easy living

03:43:09 TheNewDeal: but with difficulty you get much more data to look at

03:44:07 TheNewDeal: if I wait 2010 blocks into a 2016 block change, my certainty becomes much much greater

03:44:55 TheNewDeal: the risk becomes almost nada

03:45:10 mike_c: so.. do that?

03:46:04 decimation: asciilifeform: re: green hills os << I've seen this before. I'm somewhat dubious about the proposition "we r ultrasecure but we use von neumann cpuuuu!"

03:46:34 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> last 48 hours have been busiest two days for bitbet this month.. right after btcalpha launched the analyzer. coincidence? << :)

03:47:33 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal in principle one could propose and seed bets for each retarget

03:47:57 TheNewDeal: I've done the short term targets, and they're both risky and fun

03:49:26 TheNewDeal: but it becomes very difficult to pick a day in which to end the weighting at

03:49:29 mircea_popescu: mike_c actually about 20ish btc a day is the secular average for bitbet. 50 or so over 3 days is about avg neh ?

03:49:55 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal you can specify them by block height and have a reasonable but outside resolve date

03:51:01 TheNewDeal: I'm not saying it's impossible, but specifying the date is about as difficult as weighting the probabilty of the event occuring in the first place

03:53:33 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0 << how to torture a baby.

03:53:33 assbot: Still Face Experiment: Dr. Edward Tronick - YouTube

03:54:38 dub: can you nix any bets that refer to a season as being related to a time of teh year

03:55:34 TheNewDeal: huh?

03:56:40 nubbins`: like the bet resolves as yes if the first day of spring falls on x?

03:56:41 nubbins`: ;p

03:56:53 dub: its a uniquely american retardation 'its summer here and I have no concept of anything outside my neighbourhood

03:57:10 mircea_popescu: uh

03:57:10 TheNewDeal: all you have to do is look at resolution / closing date

03:58:16 TheNewDeal: I don't care what 3rd quarter for S&P500 is either. All I care about is bet closing and even resolution date (not necessarily when bitbet resolves it)

04:00:43 dub: you went one better and gave context, '3rd quarter' is equally meaningless

04:01:18 mircea_popescu: 3rd quarter is jul-aug-sept

04:01:22 TheNewDeal: it has meaning

04:01:27 dub: no it isnt

04:01:37 dub: its the 3rd quater of a financial year

04:01:53 TheNewDeal: https://www.fidelity.com/viewpoints/market-and-economic-insights/quarterly-market-update

04:01:53 assbot: Market update: Third quarter 2014 - Fidelity Investments

04:02:05 TheNewDeal: the term is used extensively

04:02:21 TheNewDeal: financial year differs from company to company, in my opinion

04:02:26 dub: yeah well US companies largely use teh calendar year

04:02:37 TheNewDeal: some companies financial year revolves around tax date in us

04:04:05 *: mircea_popescu waits for the "and july isn't really 31 days plus today should really be sept 3rd" discussion

04:04:39 TheNewDeal: :D

04:04:49 dub: we can quibble over leap secodns

04:04:53 dub: seconds*

04:05:24 mircea_popescu: or the gregorian change, or the julian change. etc.

04:05:38 TheNewDeal: mike_c in reference to different weighting mechanisms. How about a price bet that is weighted by both bitstamp price and time

04:09:38 mike_c: mircea_popescu: median since July 1 is 6 btc

04:09:55 TheNewDeal: whats sigma

04:10:04 mircea_popescu: mike_c a day ?

04:10:04 mike_c: avg is 14.5

04:10:08 mike_c: yeah

04:10:22 mircea_popescu: but 3 days, so as to have equal basis.

04:11:12 TheNewDeal: how far is 50 above the expected 43.5 :)

04:11:46 mircea_popescu: 442 in august, 543 july, 251 june, 449 may, 217 april, 1659 march etc

04:12:01 mircea_popescu: it does have some heavy variation, but anyway, 50ish for 3 days seems more or less a good estimate

04:12:10 mike_c: 2 day = median 18.7, avg 28.15

04:13:18 mike_c: 3 day = median 26.6, avg 41.7

04:13:23 mircea_popescu: aha

04:14:48 mike_c: so last two days 37 btc ain't bad, i'm still insinuating a causation ;)

04:14:53 TheNewDeal: how much should I zeroconf if I want to remake this bet a month from now ? http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/bitcoin-817-or-above-before-christmas/

04:14:53 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin $817 or above before Christmas :: 1.1 B (20%) on Yes, 4.46 B (80%) on No | closing in 3 months 2 days | weight: 97`758 (100`000 to 1)

04:15:40 mircea_popescu: mike_c i'm not saying it's bad hehe.

04:16:02 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal try and see, this is like a totally real virtual reality.

04:16:15 mike_c: i have to point it out quick before the data turns against me.

04:16:17 TheNewDeal: I just don't like the lag periods

04:16:26 mircea_popescu: what are lag periods ?

04:16:31 TheNewDeal: I propose

04:16:36 TheNewDeal: 4 days later ... rejection

04:17:49 mircea_popescu: you must be specially unlucky.

04:17:57 mike_c: dub: actually for some stupid reason many US companies use July 1 as start of fiscal year

04:18:08 dub: mike_c: I know

04:18:36 mike_c: well then i'll shut up

04:18:39 mircea_popescu: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/13/creepy-expat-dates-18-year-olds-because-they-make-excellent-devoted-sex-slaves/

04:18:41 assbot: Creepy expat “dates” 18-year-olds “because they make excellent devoted sex slaves.” | we hunted the mammoth

04:18:41 dub: I can incorporate a company with any fiscal year I like

04:18:46 mircea_popescu: amazingly, he's not talking about me.

04:18:46 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:19:16 TheNewDeal: yes you can dub

04:20:02 dub: mike_c: its probably (as TheNewDeal said) lining up with the tax year? It does in some places by convention

04:20:25 mike_c: but tax year is calendar..

04:20:40 dub: whats mp's birthay? all future dubcorp entities shall be calendared thus

04:20:42 decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/09/six-great-things-an-independent-scotland-could-do/ << lol scotland. maybe an independent scotland would give everyone a pony too

04:20:43 assbot: Six Great Things an Independent Scotland Could Do « Isegoria

04:20:50 TheNewDeal: mike_c that works for individuals

04:20:54 TheNewDeal: but not companies

04:20:59 TheNewDeal: a company declares their tax year

04:21:02 mike_c: uh

04:21:07 dub: mike_c: oh, it is? not everywhere (i get a choice)

04:21:26 mike_c: interesting. thankfully i don't do my company's books.

04:21:34 mircea_popescu: dub i dun think this morsel actually ever ended up in public.

04:21:58 mircea_popescu: mike_c tax year is actually april the nth or some bs in the us.

04:22:09 mike_c: that's pay date.

04:22:23 TheNewDeal: mike_c is correct

04:22:35 dub: think this illustrates my point nicely though

04:23:03 TheNewDeal: For instance, the taxes I pay on January 1 2014 - December 3x 2014 will be due on April 2x 2015

04:23:32 TheNewDeal: 2x = 15

04:24:24 decimation: the usg fiscal year begins oct. 1

04:25:44 decimation: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/091614-717643-johnson-war-on-poverty-still-hasnt-been-won.htm << us has spent 22 trillion bezzlars trying to 'end poverty', has failed.

04:25:46 assbot: Washington Has Wasted $22 Trillion In War On Poverty It Can't Win - Investors.com

04:27:02 mircea_popescu: it's not really wasted if it's not really money.

04:27:04 mircea_popescu: what do i win ?

04:27:17 dub: sounds like an easy war to win? poor people can't be very well armed

04:27:43 mircea_popescu: dub in the us ? they got more guns than cars yo

04:29:54 TheNewDeal: kinda like this exsplat guy http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/pre-rational-developmentally-impaired-testosterone-challenged-haters-are-narcissists/

04:29:55 assbot: Pre-rational developmentally impaired testosterone challenged haters are narcissists « Random Xpat Rantings

04:30:45 mircea_popescu: i left a comment on the blog he's arguing with. kinda curious if it gets published.

04:31:45 TheNewDeal: he's got the usian culture pegged down quite well "This is because truth seeking through argument is not considered the point. The point is consensus, so if everybody mutually eye rolls, then the job is done. If you do not automatically join in the eye rolling, then everything you say MUST be wrong."

04:32:11 mircea_popescu: well the problem may also be that there's like 2 of him and 200 of those other guys.

04:32:22 mircea_popescu: and his 2 aren't either rich or murderous.

04:33:39 TheNewDeal: regardless, it's quite funny to see people jump from dating/fucking full grown women to pedophilia

04:34:48 mircea_popescu: i don't see the problem, she could just as well be 16 or w/e

04:35:06 mircea_popescu: pedophilia isn't being attracted to young women, they have to be children.

04:35:33 TheNewDeal: by 16 the woman is virtually sexually mature

04:35:54 TheNewDeal: I would consider an attraction to a 13 year quasi pedophilia if she was not developed

04:36:22 mircea_popescu: thankfully i dun have the job to make the sort of unpleasant call

04:36:38 mircea_popescu: i can just conveniently cherrypick and laugh at the people working in the muck of it

04:47:54 mircea_popescu: so apparently scottish women are 58% for uk, 42% for independence, and the gap is widening

04:47:59 mircea_popescu: much to a buncha people's chagrin

04:48:15 mircea_popescu: "Women voting. A free and independent society. Choose one. The choice between the two is rarely so obvious as this, though." an' stuff.

04:48:28 TheNewDeal: widening meaning that more are going for uk?

04:48:29 BingoBoingo: Shame we can't ask moiety about the local perspective

04:48:58 TheNewDeal: ;;pouradrinkfor moiety

04:48:58 gribble: Error: "pouradrinkfor" is not a valid command.

04:49:53 mircea_popescu: yes.

04:52:06 mircea_popescu: in other news : aggregate advertising and dating data seems to show that a 50% increase in mixed race fantasy couples being displayed over 5 eyars corresponds to a 50% increase in the affinity for white women for white men, and reciprocal, and further a decrease for both black men -> white women and black wome -> white men and reciprocal.

04:52:49 mircea_popescu: the famous uncanny valley of mixed race matrimony : the least seen it is, the more acceptable, and vice-versa.

04:53:00 cazalla: mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0 << how to torture a baby. << interesting stuff, our bub atm goes bananas if one of us does not focus attention on him at all times

04:53:00 assbot: Still Face Experiment: Dr. Edward Tronick - YouTube

04:53:14 mircea_popescu: cazalla that's not so healthy.

04:54:15 cazalla: why's that? we were told it's just part of their growth style at this age to be clingy

04:54:50 mircea_popescu: well the part of their growth style may be to be clingy, but it's supposed to not work.

04:55:08 mircea_popescu: so they learn to cope and become fucking sane.

04:55:26 cazalla: i can't cope with the crying so it's easier to tell wife to stay with him

04:57:05 mircea_popescu: that's a bit rich neh ?

04:57:30 mircea_popescu: let the kid choke once in a while, let the woman have her own life once in a while.

04:57:33 mircea_popescu: it won't kill either of em.

04:58:18 cazalla: she does

04:58:32 cazalla: have a life that is, choking sound is awful when we give him a new food

05:00:09 cazalla: i've been sick with flu anyway so poor woman is at her wits ends

05:51:39 punkman: buen dia

05:51:56 BingoBoingo: Dobro Jutro

06:00:40 punkman: a morning teaser: You are sitting on an olive tree, smoking some tobacco, watching the river. The Beaumont sisters are having a swim and it's an even bet that the first two to come out of the water will have big tits. How many of the sisters have small tits?

06:01:25 BingoBoingo: 3

06:01:36 BingoBoingo: Sorry, 1

06:01:39 BingoBoingo: 3 total

06:03:11 punkman: close, 3 have big tits

06:03:45 punkman: or 6 have small tits

06:07:53 xmj: not enough information

06:15:49 punkman: xmj, what's missing?

06:15:57 xmj: pics

06:16:12 BingoBoingo: Oh my #bitcoin-offtopic is a lulzfest atm

06:17:08 punkman: http://www.bustygirlsdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/big-tits-girls-in-river-naked-005.jpg

06:17:32 punkman: BingoBoingo: the moarrr guy?

06:17:40 BingoBoingo: Yeah

06:18:48 punkman: some quotes I saved: "actually tbh i would make people money except i cant be bothered, i dont really wanna make anyone rich to get more money myself, id rather just chill in my room and drink cider and think up new ideas"

06:19:15 punkman: "i can actually get 10x or 100x pretty easily, done it before Talisman, but if i told you then you would probably just try and do it yourself and thus wouldnt need me"

06:19:46 punkman: and of course, he's in massive debt

06:20:04 xmj: punkman: THATS BETTER

06:21:45 BingoBoingo: If anyone wants to catch up on lulzmine

06:23:32 BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/15JGEWX

06:23:33 assbot: dpaste: 15JGEWX

06:24:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00075219 = 4.2499 BTC [+]

06:26:10 punkman: here's some more for you xmj: http://uploads5.wikiart.org/images/pierre-auguste-renoir/the-large-bathers-1887.jpg

06:26:37 xmj: punkman: i liked the one on the left in the real world picture

06:26:46 xmj: perky.

07:10:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+] {3}

07:42:19 punkman: http://object2212.com/?p=217

07:42:19 assbot: Safe and sound | object 2212

07:56:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00075165 = 11.0117 BTC [-]

08:04:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00075101 = 10.7394 BTC [-] {2}

10:22:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00075027 = 13.5799 BTC [-]

11:19:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2844 @ 0.00075027 = 2.1338 BTC [-]

11:54:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00003991 = 0.7982 BTC [+] {4}

12:17:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00075027 = 7.1276 BTC [-]

12:52:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 2002 @ 0.001 = 2.002 BTC [-] {4}

13:37:27 kakobrekla: thar

13:37:58 mircea_popescu: punkman: close, 3 have big tits << depends on whether we accept some particular notions as to the genetics that cause big tits dunnit ?

13:38:08 Namworld: Yes, assbot is back

13:38:20 mircea_popescu: there's not just one, female inherited factor. there's at least three, of which at least one skips a generation.

13:38:36 mircea_popescu: danke kakobrekla

13:39:16 mircea_popescu: punkman: some quotes I saved: "actually tbh i would make people money except i cant be bothered, i dont really wanna make anyone rich to get more money myself, id rather just chill in my room and drink cider and think up new ideas" <<< i'm saving this one for the next time some derp comes up with "a billionaire dude would never hang out in irc with us rubes"

13:41:15 mircea_popescu: !up brayden

13:41:53 kakobrekla: ;;ticker

13:41:54 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.13, Best ask: 432.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 431.11, 24 hour volume: 12257.64551894, 24 hour low: 431.11, 24 hour high: 457.09, 24 hour vwap: 448.026931997

13:44:34 mircea_popescu: sub-ad hominem attacks lmao

13:44:50 mircea_popescu: interesting coinage.

13:45:11 mircea_popescu: course the sub should qualify the homo not the preposition. subhominem addack or something.

13:46:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "I've at this point given up at editing any of the text at all. " << this is often a clue the whole thing is not worth publishing, as painful as may be. ie, if one guy can't be bothered to spend an extra minute on the strength of the material, there's cause to believe a thousand readers shouldn't be asked to spend that one second it takes them to decide they don't want it.

13:47:03 ThickAsThieves: "Overstock to Donate 4% of Bitcoin Revenue to Foundations Advocating Cryptocurrency Adoption"

13:47:13 mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the only good way to pander to your readership, and yes they can tell.

13:47:26 punkman: mircea_popescu: but their name's Beaumont, it runs in the family

13:47:31 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they weren't making jack were they.

13:47:45 mircea_popescu: punkman sure, but no guarantee is made both their mother and grandmother was heavy bosomed.

13:47:51 ThickAsThieves: accounting dept days "hey you know those btc you are retaining, they are plummeting" "well donate that shit so we can write it off!"

13:48:03 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you may be on to something.

13:48:56 ThickAsThieves: "Overstock has initially selected the Chamber of Digital Commerce"

13:48:57 ThickAsThieves: sigh

13:49:08 ThickAsThieves: at least it wasnt TBF i guess

13:49:19 mircea_popescu: wait, is this the brunette chick w/e her name was ?

13:49:32 ThickAsThieves: tho i still think bitcoingirl should just take up a career in playing a dame in movies

13:49:37 ThickAsThieves: yeah

13:49:57 ThickAsThieves: she's so... dick tracy looking

13:50:19 ThickAsThieves: what is that, russian?

13:50:20 mircea_popescu: ouch. well this chick's overbite... here's the problem : before now when her pretentiousness flopped, it would have been just a young woman being naive. but now, with 4% of overstock REVENUE, if the thing flops she's just a failure.

13:50:28 mircea_popescu: kids, just won't stay out of the fire for the life of them.

13:51:28 ThickAsThieves: OSTK is foing decently tho

13:51:38 ThickAsThieves: weathered the selloff

13:51:44 ThickAsThieves: doing*

13:52:01 mircea_popescu: which is ostk ?

13:52:32 ThickAsThieves: overstock

13:52:37 peterl: did they actually mean revenue or is it profit?

13:52:45 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin revenue

13:52:45 mircea_popescu: i read revenue.

13:53:01 ThickAsThieves: my tax theory was meant to be serious tho

13:53:08 ThickAsThieves: i bet they were retaineding 4% in bitcoin

13:53:09 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what do you mean weathered the selloff ? you mean they had a stock selloff or what ?

13:53:16 peterl: tax theory sounds good to me

13:53:27 ThickAsThieves: i mean Wall St had a lil correction this week

13:53:35 ThickAsThieves: ostk didnt budge

13:53:52 ThickAsThieves: not really that notable

13:54:01 ThickAsThieves: just wanted to check the stock

13:54:20 ThickAsThieves: the volatility mostly hit popular stocks

13:54:24 ThickAsThieves: tsla, etc

13:54:26 ThickAsThieves: nflx

13:54:33 mircea_popescu: myeah.

13:54:44 peterl: stuff in bubbles?

13:54:45 mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall their published btc sales figures were piddly, but w/e

13:56:29 ThickAsThieves: as of mid-Aug it was $2m with $5m projection for year end

13:57:18 ThickAsThieves: probly more like 3m

13:57:21 mircea_popescu: someone should figure out how that projector works lol

13:57:30 mircea_popescu: anyway i recall something more like 200k or w/e, back in spring.

13:58:28 ThickAsThieves: they probably apply xmas sales bump proportionally to bitcoin sales for projection

13:58:57 ThickAsThieves: altough i cant imagine xmas shopping at overstock...

13:59:06 mircea_popescu: punkman: http://object2212.com/?p=217 << ok this shit is cool.

13:59:07 assbot: Safe and sound | object 2212

13:59:18 mats_cd03: i can imagine post-xmas sales being a thing

13:59:30 mats_cd03: people spending btc they dont want, etc.

13:59:44 mircea_popescu: ?This record was hand shaped and individually cut in real time using a vintage 1940s Presto 75A recording lathe. It is a unique piece. It is not the same as a traditional pressed record. It was not made in a factory. It was hand carved from an 8ft sheet of polycarbonate plastic, shaped, sanded, waxed and cut in real time by one person.?

13:59:49 mats_cd03: paper wallet gifts from that weird nephew...

14:00:57 punkman: got my posters from nubbins, but arsepost says they'll need a couple of days to locate them...

14:00:59 mircea_popescu: punkman is that your blog ?

14:01:06 punkman: no

14:01:35 punkman: I'm over at extemporized.com

14:01:57 chetty: give btc for xmas gifts, save shopping

14:02:19 mircea_popescu: someone with a forum account please to tell klech guy he's cool and to drop by.

14:02:27 ThickAsThieves: yeah everyone's getting bit"coins" for xmas

14:02:30 mircea_popescu: krach i mean. this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505131.0

14:02:30 assbot: Sound Wallet Audio Cold Storage - Your private key as .wav, CD, or a Record

14:02:31 mats_cd03: http://www.amazon.com/High-Resolution-Display-Adaptive-PagePress-Sensors/dp/B00IOY8XWQ new kindle available for pre-order

14:02:34 assbot: Kindle Voyage Touch Screen E-Reader with Light

14:03:02 *: mats_cd03 is pumped

14:04:55 mircea_popescu: http://object2212.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Cryptolator_tenth_front_02-1024x666.jpg << this is perhaps the best coin design i've seen so far

14:05:57 mats_cd03: i don't get it.

14:06:05 mats_cd03: they're swimming away from a bank?

14:06:14 mircea_popescu: flood of fiat i dunno

14:06:33 mircea_popescu: i just mean it's not the usual "here's me with a straight line tool" bs like http://object2212.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Cryptovest_front-1024x759.jpg

14:06:38 peterl: does anybody here use bitmessage?

14:08:17 ThickAsThieves: the art looks like a bunch of bitcoiners reaching to escape to bitcoin and failing

14:08:45 ThickAsThieves: kinda cool if you imagine the coin to be one of the dropped coins from the failures i guess

14:08:48 jurov: they put the bank on fire and fucking on the stairs. me like.

14:09:27 ThickAsThieves: oh wait i get it now!

14:09:29 fluffypony: peterl: I do

14:09:36 ThickAsThieves: they are doing a jailbreak of their money

14:09:43 ThickAsThieves: chains are tearing down the bank

14:09:44 peterl: is it useful? do you like it?

14:09:50 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i was thinking, "prolly fluff, he uses all the weird things" but then i was like, give the guy a break, don't say anything

14:09:54 fluffypony: lol

14:10:34 ThickAsThieves: i installed bitmessage once, then i realized there was no one to talk to

14:10:54 mircea_popescu: can you cockroulette with bitmessage ?

14:11:49 mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 << i'm only now realising what a fucking seminal and foundational piece this is.

14:11:50 assbot: Loper OS » Modern Chumpatronic Engineering.

14:12:38 mircea_popescu: it's really badly titled which is what threw me off originally. it's really the counterpart to my economic theory piece, it should be "a complete theory of sociology"

14:13:10 mircea_popescu: it also needs some references to skinner.

14:13:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you mind if i rewrite your article ?

14:15:07 kakobrekla: how the hell does he make those vinyl records

14:15:17 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ikr?

14:15:24 mircea_popescu: exactly what i wanna ask him. pm the guy.

14:15:49 punkman: on a lathe

14:16:08 jurov: r/buttcoin utterly clueless on this one, troll if you feel like: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2gq5ja/have_thirty_buttcoins_want_to_trade_buttscoins/

14:16:08 assbot: Have thirty buttcoins? Want to trade buttscoins for buttstock? Like poorly designed websites and complex instructions to do simple things? THE FUTURE IS HERE! : Buttcoin

14:16:29 kakobrekla: <punkman> on a lathe < i guess that might work for digital data

14:16:43 mircea_popescu: all data is digital!11

14:16:54 punkman: http://www.aes.org/aeshc/docs/recording.technology.history/lathe.html

14:16:55 assbot: Disk-Cutting & Recording Lathes

14:17:07 mircea_popescu: but yes, the reviewer's comment about "sharp around the edges" suggests it's number-powered

14:17:17 punkman: vinyl burners

14:17:37 ThickAsThieves: buttcoin isnt even insulting you properly

14:18:38 punkman: oh wow, he has one of these: http://www.preservationsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Presto_model_A1.jpg

14:18:39 ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla, the audio is likely made in "high contrast" so it's analog smoothing doesnt affect the data

14:18:48 ThickAsThieves: its

14:18:57 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not an easy thing to do.

14:19:19 ThickAsThieves: sure it is, it's done in how he makes the conversion fo audio in the first place

14:19:23 ThickAsThieves: to

14:19:39 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> buttcoin isnt even insulting you properly <<

14:19:41 ThickAsThieves: almost like writing to a hard disk

14:19:54 ThickAsThieves: well exactly like i guess

14:20:12 kakobrekla: my point was, you precision can be off with digital data, with analog it would sound bad.

14:20:22 ThickAsThieves: opposite?

14:20:32 kakobrekla: wha?

14:20:36 ThickAsThieves: i dunno

14:20:50 mircea_popescu: lmao wtf.

14:20:52 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

14:20:53 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 433.27, Best ask: 433.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 433.32, 24 hour volume: 12438.31420448, 24 hour low: 431.11, 24 hour high: 457.09, 24 hour vwap: 446.292395934

14:20:55 thestringpuller: !l m s.mpoe

14:20:55 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00075027 BTC [-]

14:21:18 kakobrekla: with digital you have 1 and 0 and thresholds that compensate for your loss of precision

14:21:24 kakobrekla: with analog, well you just get shit out.

14:22:05 kakobrekla: (not to mention crc or some such)

14:22:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: glad you liked it. go ahead, use it for something, have fun.

14:22:44 mircea_popescu: this IS going to be fun. brb.

14:23:06 gernika: peterl I use BItmessage

14:23:27 gernika: peterl currently it appears to be broken

14:23:33 ThickAsThieves: interesting phenomenon with AM shares, now that they dont pay divs, no one can verify ownerships

14:23:54 peterl: gernika do you find it useful when it is not broken?

14:24:22 thestringpuller: https://dpaste.de/Non0/raw << uhm?

14:25:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.18199999 = 1.274 BTC [+] {2}

14:25:19 thestringpuller: 17:20 <qq1932> That is how people protect themsevles in the real world, and it works. VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there. << ~_~

14:25:33 ThickAsThieves: lol the guys says WoT is a scam, then explains how to use a WoT

14:25:42 gernika: peterl It may be permanently broken. But I did find it useful, yes. Currently looking at fixes.

14:25:57 peterl: how is it broken?

14:26:04 ThickAsThieves: "VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there."

14:26:20 peterl: gotta love all those bezzle dollars

14:26:24 gernika: The network is being spammed with low POW broadcast messages.

14:26:56 peterl: isn't it supposed to ignore low POW messages?

14:26:57 gernika: To the point where people aren't getting messages

14:27:19 gernika: Unfortunately the POW cutoff level appears to be a constant.

14:27:57 peterl: isn't it open source, can't people go into the code and change the hard codings?

14:28:11 peterl: or am I confused?

14:28:53 gernika: petrel yes - everyone could update their constant manually. But that's only a temporary fix.

14:29:19 asciilifeform: vinyl record wallet << good art project, but - bad steganography. breaks the '#1 rule of stego - must not talk about the stego.'

14:29:22 asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#542826

14:29:23 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2014 05:44:01; asciilifeform: benkay: remember that steganography, unlike cryptography, cannot be simultaneously strong and standardized.

14:30:13 gernika: peterl perhaps "permanently" was a bad choice of words. "Seriously" would be better.

14:30:27 punkman: asciilifeform: at least it uses encrypted priv keys

14:34:40 asciilifeform: how the hell does he make those vinyl records >> phonograph.

14:35:10 kakobrekla: i thought those were out of order.

14:35:27 asciilifeform: out of order ?

14:35:48 kakobrekla: not made and used any more

14:36:08 asciilifeform: can still get vintage one. or, in one or two evenings, build yourself.

14:36:47 asciilifeform: all you need is basic machine tools. edison had his built (afaik, the man's only actual proven invention, that he stole nowhere) for 20 usd (of the period) in a day or so.

14:37:22 asciilifeform: (perhaps ~1k usd of today)

14:37:22 kakobrekla: well i wonder which one of those is it

14:37:27 kakobrekla: that the guy is using.

14:38:11 asciilifeform: chances are, vintage unit. otherwise, he'd probably succumb to the temptation to post photos of hand-crafted phonograph.

14:39:07 chetty: http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/how-financial-bubbles-fester-and-burst-even-as-the-fed-says-not-to-worry/

14:39:08 assbot: How Financial Bubbles Fester And Burst—Even As The Fed Says Not To Worry | David Stockman's Contra Corner

14:40:06 *: kakobrekla is curious what the audio quality would be from that particular unit

14:40:13 peterl: p0[\[

14:40:36 peterl: ack, my kid is attacking the keyboard :(

14:40:59 kakobrekla: o, got a new random pass generator?

14:41:35 peterl: would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator?

14:42:30 kakobrekla: better than most passwords out there

14:42:35 *: asciilifeform remembers late-'90s 'cat-on-keyboard detector' proggy

14:42:48 kakobrekla: lol?

14:43:07 asciilifeform: it was a thing that would 'lock' a winblows box to prevent damage from paws hitting random keys

14:43:24 kakobrekla: hah

14:43:39 asciilifeform: after a string of x keys that suggest 'cat'

14:44:08 asciilifeform: (e.g., adjacent n-tuplets in cat paw cluster shapes, etc)

14:44:10 kakobrekla: how did it work, with dict?

14:44:18 kakobrekla: a

14:44:31 kakobrekla: well but thats limited to cats then

14:44:38 kakobrekla: change the animal, need to change code.

14:51:08 nubbins`: pascale had one of those extensions on her mac

14:51:32 nubbins`: we successfully engaged it by pressing a spread palm on the keyboard

14:51:52 nubbins`: i think it's essentially just looking for long keypresses, indicating something heavy is on the kb

14:52:07 nubbins`: "CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED" appears on-screen and one must type "human" to unlock

14:58:01 kakobrekla: >PawSense normally recognizes a cat on the keyboard within one or two pawsteps

14:58:04 kakobrekla: ha!

14:58:12 kakobrekla: disable nkro and see how you do :D

14:59:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18199999 = 0.91 BTC [+] {2}

15:13:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 775 @ 0.0075 = 5.8125 BTC [+]

15:15:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1001 @ 0.0075 = 7.5075 BTC [+] {2}

15:21:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 93 @ 0.0075 = 0.6975 BTC [+]

15:23:41 mike_c: ^ 50% above mkt price..

15:24:33 kakobrekla: hm?

15:24:56 kakobrekla: ;;t h rent

15:25:00 gribble: Error: This url is not on the whitelist.

15:25:10 kakobrekla: !t h rent

15:25:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00400080 / 0.00658679 / 0.00750000 (2927 shares, 19.27954758 BTC), 7D: 0.00383331 / 0.00587807 / 0.00750000 (4188 shares, 24.61737394 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.00466943 / 0.00750000 (13039 shares, 60.88467446 BTC)

15:25:13 ThickAsThieves: they closed the normal market again for the "IPO"

15:26:32 *: kakobrekla does not understand these shenanigans

15:27:11 mats_cd03: b-but, 'equity shares'

15:28:25 fluffypony: !up Mrstickball

15:28:57 ThickAsThieves: to be fair, it *should* go up when btcusd goes down

15:29:14 fluffypony: !up Mrstickball

15:29:20 fluffypony: silly bot

15:29:21 Mrstickball: thanks

15:29:27 Mrstickball: they are unsold shares from his last tranche of shares

15:29:34 punkman: why is anyone buying at .0075 instead of waiting until after IPO?

15:29:48 Mrstickball: punkman: new equity-bearing shares, and raises EPS guidance

15:30:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 118 @ 0.17048958 = 20.1178 BTC [-] {16}

15:30:25 punkman: Mrstickball: are the old ones not equity-bearing?

15:30:39 Mrstickball: they are as well, AFAIK

15:31:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 82 @ 0.16410326 = 13.4565 BTC [-] {13}

15:31:48 nubbins`: here's their SEC filing for this IPO

15:31:56 nubbins`: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1615433/000161543314000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml

15:31:57 assbot: SEC FORM D

15:32:15 nubbins`: "Minimum investment accepted from any outside investor $10,000 USD"

15:32:34 nubbins`: i guess for these purposes havelock would be the "investor"

15:32:52 ThickAsThieves: sounds right, from what i recall about how havelock wanted to do thinks

15:32:54 ThickAsThieves: things

15:33:11 nubbins`: innnnteresting

15:33:54 nubbins`: ah, yeah

15:33:57 nubbins`: "Regardless of whether securities in the offering have been or may be sold to persons who do not qualify as accredited investors, enter the total number of investors who already have invested in the offering: 1"

15:34:47 ThickAsThieves: lol, SEC filing for a 1to1 deal?

15:35:11 ThickAsThieves: not sure if that's normal

15:36:37 thestringpuller: !t h rent

15:36:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00400080 / 0.00659606 / 0.00750000 (2957 shares, 19.50454758 BTC), 7D: 0.00383331 / 0.00588961 / 0.00750000 (4218 shares, 24.84237394 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.00467593 / 0.00750000 (13069 shares, 61.10967446 BTC)

15:36:43 thestringpuller: jeezus

15:36:58 ThickAsThieves: my wife is all 'maybe this bitcoin thing isnt such a good idea' because we have to pay cap gains tax

15:37:09 thestringpuller: can't people just throw up shares at 0.0075

15:37:14 ThickAsThieves: I attempted to explain that all income is taxed and most at that rate

15:37:27 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: well cap gains on bitcoin is really high like both on income + property

15:37:41 ThickAsThieves: same as "ordinary income:

15:37:42 ThickAsThieves: "

15:37:57 ThickAsThieves: she feels a "real job" to pay less taxes...

15:38:01 thestringpuller: my accountant was like "If you want fiat you're gonna get double taxed since some of this btc was earned through working"

15:38:04 ThickAsThieves: i should get*

15:38:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]

15:38:24 xmj: ThickAsThieves: are you kidding me lol

15:38:26 thestringpuller: which is like close to 50%

15:38:33 ThickAsThieves: your accountant sounds like he misunderstands something

15:38:41 *: xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw

15:38:46 ThickAsThieves: you dont pay income tax twice

15:38:53 thestringpuller: no you don't

15:38:55 thestringpuller: you pay income tax

15:38:59 thestringpuller: THEN you pay cap gains tax on property

15:39:08 thestringpuller: if the btc you receive appreciates

15:39:37 ThickAsThieves: right, buit it wouldnt be profit after you got paid in it

15:39:43 ThickAsThieves: it cant be both

15:40:01 thestringpuller: they want both taxes apparently?

15:40:06 mats_cd03: why don't you just convert it to cash

15:40:10 thestringpuller: ~_~

15:40:16 thestringpuller: i'm just going to continue to hide it

15:40:22 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:40:35 thestringpuller: under my mattress and pretend i am broke colelge student still

15:42:15 ThickAsThieves: best part is, she wants me to sell more bitcoins to pay the taxes

15:42:29 ThickAsThieves: i'm like, you now i'll have to pay taxes on those too right?

15:42:32 ThickAsThieves: know*

15:42:42 teward: thestringpuller: isnt that on the sale of capital? i.e. capital gains at the time of sale.

15:42:58 ThickAsThieves: its not a gain til you get the cash

15:43:24 teward: at least in the USA, we get taxed that as part of our income tax, but depending on the length of the ownership of the item which gets you capital gains, there's different tax rates

15:43:26 ThickAsThieves: are the people that paid you in bitcoin issuing a 1099?

15:44:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/

15:45:01 assbot: A complete theory of sociology pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:45:28 asciilifeform: neato!

15:45:30 *: asciilifeform reads

15:45:40 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> "VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there." << what's ilegit fraud ? fraudy-fraud ?

15:46:09 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> vinyl record wallet << good art project, << tis the art project that caught my eye

15:46:15 ThickAsThieves: theyre just words mp, dont dig too deep!

15:46:49 ThickAsThieves: words are like crayons, you can make anything you want, in any color you want

15:46:58 rithm: i like to make money disappear

15:47:06 *: rithm is waaaay overextended purposefully

15:47:36 thestringpuller: teward: yea if you own the property for X amount of time the capital gains taxes are waived. This is a loophole for homeowners, btc falls under the same statutes. But you still have to pay income tax on income from BTC. I.e. i get paid in BTC as part of some employment contract. The receipt of those coins needs to be claimed with the IRS and then you gotta pay whatever during income tax.

15:47:49 thestringpuller: They gray area of course is if you never liquidate...

15:48:21 ThickAsThieves: it's not gray

15:48:45 ThickAsThieves: when you convert to fiat, if there's gain, there's tax due, if not, then not

15:49:07 ThickAsThieves: also there is no loophole

15:49:15 ThickAsThieves: you pay long OR short term rate

15:49:22 thestringpuller: yes but that's not included if say you pay me X BTC to mow your lawn all year and I don't convert BTC to fiat

15:49:42 asciilifeform: there is an ancient law involved. 'не пойман — не вор' - 'not caught -- not thief.' known in english lands, if i'm not mistaken, as 'the eleventh commandment.'

15:49:45 ThickAsThieves: why would you report underthetable income?

15:49:46 teward: thestringpuller: that's a gray area that you could argue in the tax courts, but you're right. if you don't liquidate the BTC and hold the BTC for over one fiscal year then those bitcoins are only subject to the capital gains tax as well as the income tax IF the liquidation occurs during that fiscal year. At any later date after the BTC has been held for a year it should be the case that it's THEN capital gains taxed.

15:49:47 thestringpuller: additionally as property if you own said property for X amount of time (i don't know the exact figure in this state), you get the capital gains waived.

15:50:22 mircea_popescu: peterl> would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator? << nah.

15:50:25 teward: thestringpuller: if we want to be truly logical about analyzing this situation... then lets look at state taxes as well

15:50:42 teward: thestringpuller: in theory you're paying four taxes on that BTC income, state and federal income, and then capital gains for both

15:51:07 thestringpuller: yea the loophole is just to hold and liquidate after the expiration of capital gains.

15:51:17 teward: ehhhhhhhhhhh that's not entirely accurate

15:51:27 teward: capital gains can be done in the long term, the rate is just LOWER for the tax. at least in the US

15:51:29 mircea_popescu: <punkman> why is anyone buying at .0075 instead of waiting until after IPO? << or even having waited for a day BEFORE the ipo ?

15:51:34 mircea_popescu: it was actully discussed here etc.

15:51:54 teward: thestringpuller: differs state-to-state but you have to look at the 'two tax laws' imposed, one being state, one being federal :/

15:52:04 asciilifeform: this - is riotously funny. this is like watching german jews in '36 sit around a table and talk about how they'll 'game the system.'

15:52:05 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> peterl> would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator? << nah. < better than 12-yo and prolly even 22.

15:52:14 thestringpuller: People who have owned a house for 20-30 years and it's escalated in value are not subject to capital gains. (I know this to be true because I know many people who have sold their houses for more than they bought them and have not gotten taxed for it. The only tax attached to the transaction is sales tax on the buyer).

15:52:20 asciilifeform: when the dekulakization squad wants your usd - they'll take it.

15:52:51 thestringpuller: that's only in this state

15:53:02 mircea_popescu: * xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw <<< sure, but doing what.

15:53:09 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: when the dekulakization squad wants your usd << hence not holding usd

15:53:37 nubbins`: what is a usd?

15:53:42 nubbins`: also, just discovered bitpremier

15:53:49 asciilifeform: nubbins`: usa dollar

15:53:58 nubbins`: alf, i was joking D:

15:54:00 ThickAsThieves: bitpremier is connected to secondmarket guy

15:54:04 ThickAsThieves: his brother or something

15:54:11 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves yeah, last name sounded familiar

15:54:16 nubbins`: dilbert or silbert or something

15:54:18 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> my wife is all 'maybe this bitcoin thing isnt such a good idea' << if i had to take a bet on the matter, it'd go like so : it has exactly zero to do with any rationalisation she comes up with and everything to do with how annoyingly you've changed since getting involved with these loser geeks.

15:54:22 teward: thestringpuller: keep in mind homes are governed under separate rules as well

15:54:37 teward: thestringpuller: there's a lot of home-specific laws and tax rules that other capital gains aren't included under

15:54:41 ThickAsThieves: mp that is in the mix, yes

15:54:48 ThickAsThieves: but i suspect it goes even deeper

15:54:58 nubbins`: even deeper!

15:54:58 ThickAsThieves: ...

15:55:02 ThickAsThieves: hehe

15:55:03 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves, mircea_popescu: 'taken up with the wrong crowd', lol

15:55:17 nubbins`: p is very much the opposite

15:55:18 mircea_popescu: there's deeper than that ?!

15:55:22 nubbins`: sell my btc and i'll cut you, etc

15:55:24 ThickAsThieves: she doesnt know the half of you guys, for one

15:55:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` not everyone's hitched it with a slut yo.

15:55:44 ThickAsThieves: for two, i'm starting to feel like no aamount of money (in bitcoin) will be real to her

15:55:59 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves time to go read up on game, frame, hand and all that.

15:56:10 thestringpuller: buy her a diamond ring on bitpremier

15:56:12 thestringpuller: call it a night

15:56:14 nubbins`: heh

15:56:21 nubbins`: buy her a copy of the jan 3 2009 times

15:56:23 nubbins`: even better

15:56:24 ThickAsThieves: mp wassat?

15:56:44 ThickAsThieves: dude she got a new suv, solar panels, hw floors, vacations

15:57:16 ThickAsThieves: it's not about the material things

15:57:48 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: no aamount of money (in bitcoin) will be real << to make it feel 'real', convert to a tangible. like an swift escape rocket from usaschwitz

15:58:00 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well sadly they're pua concepts, but they already wrote fiddy billion words on the topic since 2010 and im too lazy to re-write the shit in 100k. especially since in the 5bn words they actually did cover 90% of the 100k, and you should be able to filter.

15:58:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his won't come.

15:58:34 ThickAsThieves: yeah but i have no idea where to look

15:58:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his wife wants to remain behind the wire?

15:58:57 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves - ?

15:59:00 ThickAsThieves: she does

15:59:07 ThickAsThieves: she's the only reason i'm still here

15:59:14 thestringpuller: can't you just kidnap her?

15:59:20 thestringpuller: move to argentina

15:59:24 asciilifeform: what does she want in usa ?

15:59:28 thestringpuller: not that I condone kidnapping

15:59:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27202039 BTC to 15`091 shares, 8429 satoshi per share

15:59:47 mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, what do you want from me. im not hiding any kidnapped us chicks for you folks.

15:59:55 ThickAsThieves: some people are happy in the system

16:00:08 ThickAsThieves: she has her family, a job she likes, etc

16:00:13 mircea_popescu: in fairness, she's probably getting more for her buck there than in any possible alternative.

16:00:15 mircea_popescu: argentina included.

16:00:27 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/18/you-cant-elect-strong-shepherds-and-you-cant-produce-anything-of-value-without-them/

16:00:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/

16:00:31 ThickAsThieves: it really isnt about the money

16:00:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 8.53291096 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 742 satoshi per share

16:00:38 ThickAsThieves: she makes plenty on her own

16:00:39 mircea_popescu: "more" didn't mean money.

16:00:41 thestringpuller: "happiness" ???

16:00:48 mircea_popescu: respec, attention, the feeling of doing the right thing, we

16:01:00 thestringpuller: impregnate her and take the kid to argentina

16:01:04 thestringpuller: again not condoning kidnapping

16:01:08 thestringpuller: just saying

16:01:11 ThickAsThieves: i think it's something like 'social relevance' or justifying ones own existence

16:01:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not really, cause small kid tends to paw, and clustered keys is one of the main enemies of entropy

16:01:46 ThickAsThieves: having kids didnt work out for us

16:01:47 kakobrekla: slightly bigger tend to dict.

16:02:15 *: asciilifeform remembers old engravings of circus bears playing organs

16:02:35 thestringpuller: asciilifeform must be russian

16:02:36 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves so divest all your btc and pick up a hobby

16:02:43 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/ start there follow links ?

16:02:47 mircea_popescu: this is more reading than the logs tho

16:03:07 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: actually these were, if i recall, german. 17th-18th c.

16:03:19 ThickAsThieves: mp this is the path to the hand frame concepts?

16:03:28 mircea_popescu: well it's one of their luminaries.

16:03:38 ThickAsThieves: and you can provide no overview?

16:04:06 mircea_popescu: alternatively could use http://www.returnofkings.com/ or http://heartiste.wordpress.com/

16:04:07 assbot: Return Of Kings - For masculine men

16:04:07 assbot: Chateau Heartiste

16:04:49 mircea_popescu: well if i could condense it in 500 words i would have already.

16:05:09 ThickAsThieves: seems like the quest you are sending me on is "to understand woman"

16:05:24 ThickAsThieves: a quest one probly dies along before completing...

16:05:32 mircea_popescu: nah, just some keywords in a specific set of... philosophy is muchly said, but anyway. worldview

16:05:38 ThickAsThieves: word

16:05:54 mircea_popescu: there's this group of people, who figure they've figured out women. they're not entirely correct, but they do have some good points.

16:06:10 mircea_popescu: and since we're on the topic, it's fucking incredible to me how abandonedly they link to each other.

16:06:20 ThickAsThieves: i could probly just learn more about her mom and map onto her

16:06:23 mircea_popescu: it's not even a matter of, some people in a conclave circle jerking

16:06:23 mike_c: i can confirm that a 1 yr old is terrible random number generator. they focus on a small subset of keys and bang.

16:06:37 mircea_popescu: no, they link to nobodies, to beginners, to people in their comments, they link like their fucking life depends on it

16:06:53 mircea_popescu: i suspect it's exactly the only reason they eked into a modicum of relevancy for the social discourse

16:07:33 mircea_popescu: meanwhile "the press" avoids linking to people like the plague, as the quoted piece from maddox yest showed. and i suspect this has a lot to do with their collapse, it's not the internet, is that they misunderstood the importance of reference.

16:07:34 ThickAsThieves: i can see it now "whatcha reading, babe?" "The Ugly Reality Of Open Relationships"

16:07:48 asciilifeform: they link to nobodies, to beginners << unmistakeable, dire sign of a field not yet (and perhaps never) mature. you need some beginnings of a fissure between the alchemists and the chemists, astrologists and astronomers.

16:08:02 asciilifeform: if they all 'link to each other' - you have only alchemy, astrology.

16:08:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is what i thought too, 2011ish. but here's the thing : these people now do book deals,

16:08:08 mircea_popescu: they saw money.

16:08:13 mircea_popescu: and they STILL behave correctly.

16:08:53 mircea_popescu: my own pet theory, which you may laugh at as you will, is that the difference is the investment of hate. these people hate women, fundamentally, and as such they no longer need to look out for enemies, and so everyone else is a friend.

16:09:07 mircea_popescu: the press meanwhile knows no greater enemy than... another press outlet, especially in the same market

16:09:21 thestringpuller: isn't that the case with any industry?

16:09:23 mircea_popescu: the investment of hate results in online success, the failure to invest it results in online failure.

16:09:41 asciilifeform: press also has enemies it can, as a whole, agree on. untermenschen, if you like. some things 'it would not do' to print.

16:09:55 mircea_popescu: no, it does not. it seems to, but it does not.

16:10:07 mircea_popescu: consider what that "unfit to print" was in 1950, and in 1975, and in 2000.

16:10:15 asciilifeform: ;;google autosaurus ad

16:10:16 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the pua people DO have things they'll never print.

16:10:16 gribble: Autosaurus - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7aj2ZItuk; Adbusters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adbusters; Sim City: Auto-Saurus-Rex, Volcano, UFO's in Spacington! - Spacing ...: http://spacing.ca/atlantic/2012/06/08/sim-city-auto-saurus-rex-volcano-ufos-in-spacington/

16:10:41 asciilifeform: ^ trivial example

16:10:56 *: mircea_popescu is unconvinced.

16:11:55 asciilifeform: or, also trivial example, that chinese sub off the californian coast.

16:11:57 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

16:11:58 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.8, Best ask: 428.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 428.8, 24 hour volume: 12826.14394427, 24 hour low: 428.8, 24 hour high: 455.29, 24 hour vwap: 444.293570279

16:11:59 asciilifeform: or, or.

16:12:06 mircea_popescu: http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=abc_classy << referenced maddox piece, for the convenience of the students of the future.

16:12:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, see, those are circumstantial. it's not about the press. if the chinese took over tomorrow it'd be all over the washington post.

16:12:31 asciilifeform: certainly the tabloids would love to print a sensational turd about the sub. but then editor's phone rings, and 'editors can also have problems'

16:12:53 mircea_popescu: i'm talking about things that are fundamental, not mere convention built atop and supported on nothing really.

16:12:56 asciilifeform: aha!

16:13:07 asciilifeform: fundamental to press per se ?

16:13:10 mircea_popescu: yes.

16:13:14 asciilifeform: then yes.

16:13:16 mircea_popescu: quite.

16:17:02 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftOCN1jkNo

16:17:03 assbot: Ali G - Feminism - YouTube

16:17:29 thestringpuller: ali g in da house

16:20:03 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 85(Y):15(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 1316.66146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,517.

16:23:00 asciilifeform: 'Because apparently nobody creates anything anymore, and it all belongs to Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and Instagram, right assholes?' << this is fundamental.

16:23:38 xmj: hahahahaha now that's a weird bet.

16:24:01 asciilifeform: imagine if actual, scientifically-honest medicine were entirely forgotten, and the licensing authorities in your country permitted only witch doctors, whose main remedy is blood-letting.

16:24:18 asciilifeform: (some people see this as something which has already happened, but that's besides the point of the example)

16:24:39 asciilifeform: is the answer for king to decree 'anyone may call himself a man of medicine' ?

16:26:20 ThickAsThieves: everyone already does, post-webmd

16:26:26 asciilifeform: now let's say actual medicinal practice reappears, in underground hideouts of a kind.

16:27:02 ThickAsThieves: sounds like a revolution

16:27:06 asciilifeform: except - no

16:27:18 asciilifeform: shamans, if clever, will merely crib from the deviants as needed.

16:27:32 asciilifeform: while continuing to oversee the latter - hanged.

16:28:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.16102536 = 6.602 BTC [-] {2}

16:28:16 asciilifeform: i'd argue that this situation is intrinsic to the very idea of having stable 'institutions' like 'official medicine'

16:28:20 asciilifeform: or 'official media'

16:29:04 []bot: Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 72(Y):28(N) by coin, 80(Y):20(N) by weight. Total bet: 1566.66146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,515.

16:29:09 asciilifeform: so long as your 'throne' (kingly, ministerial, city-dogcatcher, commissioner of farts, etc) is a thing - and isn't constantly probing your arse for worthiness to sit thereon - it will behave this way.

16:29:18 ThickAsThieves: buffet discovered bitbet!

16:29:20 TomServo: Wow - that's a big one!

16:29:23 Duffer1: hehe

16:29:32 Duffer1: mp hedging? :P

16:29:38 ThickAsThieves: yeah right

16:29:44 asciilifeform: buterin.

16:30:18 ThickAsThieves: i hope buterin and friends dont think they can surpress price THAT long

16:30:28 asciilifeform: thousand-year reich.

16:30:34 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> is the answer for king to decree 'anyone may call himself a man of medicine' ? << yes, actually.

16:30:45 ThickAsThieves: marshall law

16:30:46 pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: why not? gold has been suppressed for decades

16:30:55 mircea_popescu: the only correct response to one that wishes to impress you with meaningless bloodletting is MORE bloodletting, better directed.

16:30:56 mircea_popescu: not less.

16:31:01 ThickAsThieves: because you have to actually control the gold

16:31:04 asciilifeform: ^ right. but this answer unhappily tickles all the folks who think they like 'hierarchy'

16:31:11 mircea_popescu: tough for them

16:31:43 pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: only sorta. paper gold and market fixing abounds.

16:32:30 asciilifeform: for reference - my theory of 'buterin's waterfall' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#832194

16:32:31 assbot: Logged on 17-09-2014 15:50:00; asciilifeform: had a thought. usg's btc price dampener strategy has no clear endgame - the 'ethereum' thing will carry on while the usd printing press runs, because it stands to reason they are running both the sell and -buy- ends of the machine. 'arse-mouth system.'

16:32:34 mircea_popescu: check it out, mike_c's advertising bitbet :D

16:32:45 TomServo: Shouldn't this supposed ETH dump be coming from: https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 ?

16:32:46 assbot: Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2

16:32:46 mircea_popescu: Duffer1> mp hedging? :P << wasn't me.

16:32:53 mike_c: i sent the link to warren, we're tight.

16:33:22 asciilifeform: TomServo: these folks are not necessarily brilliant schemers, but they have the basics nailed down. such as how to trade 'interesting' coin for 'boring' coin.

16:33:35 asciilifeform: (meatspace trades - outside the blockchain)

16:33:51 pete_dushenski: mike_c: lol

16:33:58 asciilifeform: this is why the sr dekulakization hoard appears to 'sit still'

16:34:24 kakobrekla: bitcoin holders are sheep. you only need to announce the sell to drop the price, not actually sell.

16:34:42 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLSstqMvH8

16:34:42 assbot: Ali G Show - Feminism - YouTube

16:35:02 asciilifeform: so, for the record, what i'll call 'buterin's waterfall' - picture a water-powered vacuum aspirator pump, of a kind used in school chemistry class.

16:35:04 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: don't you read teh logs?

16:35:13 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i do ?

16:35:15 mircea_popescu: what'd i miss ?

16:35:41 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you posting the same thing ;)

16:36:00 asciilifeform: water is pumped from a tank up, and then flows down a pipe back into the tank. in the down pipe, there's a spigot to the side, where a vacuum forms - water carries away air.

16:36:01 mircea_popescu: shit bad link ?

16:36:34 ThickAsThieves: i'm not convinced there's anything at play but a lack of new bitcoin buyers

16:36:38 asciilifeform: so you get a vacuum that is about as good as the water's vapour pressure at the room's temperature & pressure. not bad. cheap. if you remember school - you used this 'medieval' gadget.

16:36:43 ThickAsThieves: traders trading traders will drive price down

16:36:59 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not the same link, just the same title.

16:37:30 asciilifeform: so we have 'buterin's waterfall.' ingredient - a fat bag of coin. (where found? sr coins traded for 'boring' coin with no peculiar blockchain history - plus gov. mining, other confiscations, etc.)

16:37:36 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: o you so sneaky

16:38:21 asciilifeform: herr buterin takes the bag of coin, and places it on markets largely controlled ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#832201 ) by usg.

16:38:21 assbot: Logged on 17-09-2014 15:56:55; mircea_popescu: ensure too strong a word. but suppose you don't let terrorists run their own exchanges, nor deposit to yours.

16:38:46 asciilifeform: at slightly lowballed price. shills (perl scripts) then 'buy' the coin at these prices.

16:39:04 asciilifeform: knob is turned, lowball bid is lowered still, shills continue to buy

16:39:13 kakobrekla: why would they announce it and not use the collected coin (ether). its a give away

16:39:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the joke being, of course, that bitcoin had an otc market larger than the exchanges back in 2012.

16:39:25 asciilifeform: the 'vapour' carried away is the coin that is panic-sold by civilians

16:39:28 mircea_popescu: and that was before mtgox collapsed.

16:39:46 mircea_popescu: to imagine the entire set of noob exchanges today have 50% of the volume of mtgox in 2012 is to overstate things.

16:39:52 asciilifeform: the controlled market will allow the entry of sizeable parcels coin, but not of usd; and the egress of usd, but not of coin.

16:40:04 mircea_popescu: that means they're playing with confederate bills somewhere in the nebraska territory of bitcoin

16:40:08 mircea_popescu: good for them and who ever cares ?

16:40:35 ThickAsThieves: fwiw the larger SR coin address was dumped the same day that Draper got his coins

16:40:42 ThickAsThieves: https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH?filter=1

16:40:43 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH

16:40:54 mircea_popescu: of course nonsensical bs like "a perfectly fair price index" would get approved by the sec, bec, dec and heck in short order.

16:40:57 mircea_popescu: so what of it, etc.

16:41:15 ThickAsThieves: well maybe they decided to fill all bidders

16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: or have been selling the stash

16:41:42 los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves i can confirm not everyone was filled

16:41:48 ThickAsThieves: word

16:42:10 los_pantalones: and i can confirm we were much better bid than SM

16:42:12 ThickAsThieves: maybe draper voluntasrily bid on the whole lot

16:42:14 los_pantalones: to no avail

16:42:19 ThickAsThieves: and thats why they havent released deets

16:42:22 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones can you actually confirm what you bid ?

16:42:27 los_pantalones: noop

16:42:30 ThickAsThieves: cuz his condition was to give him time to sell em all

16:42:33 mircea_popescu: rounded to something or other ?

16:42:43 los_pantalones: it was within 5% of the market on the day

16:42:48 mircea_popescu: up or down ?

16:42:54 los_pantalones: below

16:43:06 ThickAsThieves: interesting

16:43:09 mircea_popescu: better than nothing, danke.

16:43:20 nubbins`: figured they'd go for above market rates

16:43:27 los_pantalones: i think they did

16:43:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` if you recall that bet is still in contention.

16:43:37 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones not that much room in 5%

16:44:12 ThickAsThieves: i like this theory, what if Draper actually bid less than everyone, but for all 160k or so coins

16:44:13 mircea_popescu: what happened was that one favoured party got the benefit of "match the best offer we get", is the problem.

16:44:26 los_pantalones: nah but we assumed all the SM buyers would have blue balls and pay up after they lost

16:44:29 mircea_popescu: and for that people will have to do hard time.

16:44:50 los_pantalones: he's def not a gov't favorite

16:44:56 los_pantalones: he's trying to breakup cali if you recall

16:45:00 nubbins`: azul huevos

16:45:08 ThickAsThieves: what does gov care about cali states

16:45:14 mircea_popescu: ^

16:45:39 asciilifeform: imho, it was not a sale, but a trade. hence the bid circus

16:45:50 mircea_popescu: that shit's going nowhere, suddenly they found extra utility for all the moles placed in random shitholes.

16:46:14 ThickAsThieves: dafuck, they need to fulfill this FOIA already

16:46:27 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: ministry of truth has to make up some truthy truth first

16:47:41 ThickAsThieves: just like the NYDFS currently creating months of research they supposedly did in the Spring

16:47:55 mircea_popescu: no they really did it

16:48:01 mircea_popescu: it just was in some emails they lost is all.

16:48:05 ThickAsThieves: you mena they read someone else's?

16:48:12 ThickAsThieves: oh

16:48:16 mircea_popescu: they were cohosting with the irs

16:48:20 los_pantalones: haha

16:48:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bitcoin had an otc market larger than the exchanges back in 2012 << this is where, at least from my jail's eye view, the buggers - won. as usaschwitz inmate, otc doesn't even exist for me. in order for it to exist - i'd have to become embroiled in handling suitcases of benjies in meatspace. precisely the kind of thing агентурная работа is optimized to roll up participants of.

16:49:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're lieing to yourself. in point of fact, on the strength of your wot rating yo ucan participate just fine.

16:49:41 ThickAsThieves: i dont really understand how US otc market exists

16:49:54 ThickAsThieves: regarding published attempts at least

16:49:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: participate how?

16:50:03 ThickAsThieves: like craigslist, localbitcoins

16:50:13 los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves why ?

16:50:16 nubbins`: i think localbtc does a lotta biz

16:50:25 asciilifeform: 90% of my living expenses are not even payable in paper money.

16:50:28 ThickAsThieves: because it's prime money-laundering activity

16:50:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well i suppose i misread. yes, as a internal-regulations-abiding inmate, it doesn't exist for you.

16:50:42 los_pantalones: not if you document it, which is really quite easy to do

16:50:42 xmj: asciilifeform: how do you pay them? bank transfer?

16:50:46 los_pantalones: wire

16:50:52 asciilifeform: ^ yeah

16:50:59 ThickAsThieves: so if you do AML essentially

16:51:02 asciilifeform: so, there's a compliant bank in the loop.

16:51:22 los_pantalones: there are still plenty of those

16:51:22 xmj: huh

16:51:23 asciilifeform: so, where inmate turns, jailer - friendly winks.

16:51:28 xmj: how in gods name do you pay for food with wires

16:51:37 asciilifeform: food - could buy with paper

16:51:39 asciilifeform: rent - no

16:51:43 xmj: you pay food with creditcard and pay creditcard with wires?

16:51:51 ThickAsThieves: yeah

16:51:52 xmj: asciilifeform: former apartment i paid rent with paper actually

16:52:02 xmj: asciilifeform: ... my landlord wanted it so. :)

16:52:07 asciilifeform: xmj: this works if you live in physically reachable distance of landlord

16:52:13 xmj: well two hours.

16:52:20 nubbins`: i prefer to receive rent via interac e-transfer

16:52:23 xmj: but, yeah, i know what you mean.

16:52:27 asciilifeform: mine - lives on other side of continent.

16:52:29 nubbins`: not everyone likes doing it tho :/

16:52:39 nubbins`: i suppose this is a foreign concept to you non-canadians

16:52:42 xmj: asciilifeform: mine - lives on another continent.

16:52:59 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you gotta understand the otc market is really a bunch of large players, in us fiat.

16:53:05 xmj: asciilifeform: know anyone hiring sysadmins for BTC? >:)

16:53:17 mircea_popescu: three govt owned banks pushing govt script back and forth, what exactly is going to be so laundery about that ?

16:53:26 asciilifeform: xmj: if i knew, i'd become a sysadmin.

16:53:36 ThickAsThieves: so basically if you are an otc seller, you just gotta watch out for buyers saying suspicious things, as they may be agents

16:53:47 bounce: this popped up somewhere, curiously not dated though: http://www.digitalcitizensalliance.org/cac/alliance/content.aspx?page=cyberlockers

16:53:48 assbot: Digital Citizens Alliance

16:54:05 mircea_popescu: i think the prime of "we're selling bitcoin to pay for stolen credit cards" is come and gone.

16:54:13 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: you aren't thinking big enough. 'agents' or not, if you're feeding into or from a usd bank at the end of the day, you're in panopticon.

16:54:14 bounce: as in, pressure group pays "experts" to "prove" teh intarwebz are full of badness. still. again. whatever.

16:54:17 ThickAsThieves: how about to launder drug money?

16:54:32 ThickAsThieves: or such

16:54:40 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they were trying that shit, mostly to elicit new information, some vague hope to make jury think onoes realbadman.

16:55:04 mircea_popescu: but it didn't really go anywhere. they got too much drivel and the judges don't really get impressed.

16:55:09 mircea_popescu: so no longer fashionable.

16:55:09 nubbins`: i don't know why people think big-time drug logistics and btc overlap in any significant way

16:55:11 ThickAsThieves: i'm not exactly clear why money laundering is even illegal

16:55:21 xmj: that's easy

16:55:22 mircea_popescu: because money is worthless.

16:55:25 los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves control

16:55:28 mircea_popescu: nubbins` idiots ?

16:55:32 *: nubbins` shrugs

16:55:37 xmj: because the things you do to require laundering money is illegal

16:55:46 xmj: black markets

16:55:46 nubbins`: small-time, sure. no sweat. big-time, nuh-uh

16:55:50 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves, others - if your objective is not merely to avoid committing an indictable crime under american law as your lawyer was taught it, but to hide your wealth from total dekulakization - you cannot solve this problem without a closed arse-mouth btc cycle

16:55:55 nubbins`: look at what happened to SR when they tried to move big amounts

16:55:57 xmj: or legal, but you're doing it off-time off-regulation off-taxes

16:55:58 asciilifeform: where you forget what usd even was.

16:55:59 xmj: grey markets

16:56:03 xmj: "shadow economy".

16:56:10 mircea_popescu: nubbins` since when is 1kg a big amount ?

16:56:20 nubbins`: since SR was geared towards end-users

16:56:30 nubbins`: no coke user is buying in 1kg bricks

16:56:42 nubbins`: they're buying an 8ball

16:56:48 ThickAsThieves: speak for yourself!

16:56:49 ThickAsThieves: jk

16:56:51 nubbins`: heh

16:57:12 mircea_popescu: the point remains.

16:57:14 xmj: "jk"

16:57:24 xmj: ^ truthtalk marked by "jk"-- always

16:57:24 ThickAsThieves: cocaine laundering

16:57:27 nubbins`: the point of the site was to let suburbia buy drugs without having to interact with dealers

16:57:40 xmj: well because dealers are shady

16:57:45 ThickAsThieves: and unreliable

16:57:48 nubbins`: what moron is going to risk his dick losing a kilo on some website?

16:57:48 xmj: that's why they're dealers.

16:57:52 mircea_popescu: well something like that. "let suburbia buy drugs while interacting with dealers on social media" was the idea

16:57:54 xmj: also they live with their moms.

16:58:10 bounce: every. last. one. of. them.

16:58:46 ThickAsThieves: except for bingoboingo

16:58:57 mircea_popescu: he lives with his dog ?

16:59:00 nubbins`: maybe

16:59:08 bounce: but it's kinda interesting to see how money is now guilty until proven innocent. all in the name of fighting droogs and terrism and whatever.

16:59:38 mircea_popescu: bounce no dude. that's how they rationalize it, but really, the problem is the money is worthless. to maintain its appearance of value, its use has to be limited

16:59:38 nubbins`: anyway, if you find yourself in possession of 1kg of cocaine, you know how to get rid of it already. if you find yourself looking to buy 1kg of cocaine, you're NOT doing it online

16:59:47 mircea_popescu: and its use in free markets first of all.

16:59:51 mircea_popescu: then in all markets, and so on.

17:00:04 nubbins`: other hand: if you're some kid living in the middle of idaho and you want to try LSD...

17:00:16 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you go to college ?

17:00:26 bounce: "limited", in what way? "quantitative easing" type limiting?

17:00:30 nubbins`: here we call it "university" ;D

17:00:43 mircea_popescu: bounce no, as in "you may not buy candy with it"

17:01:11 mircea_popescu: here are "your" ten dollars and here's the list of things you may trade it for.

17:01:23 mircea_popescu: don't trade it for other things and you won't know how worthless it is.

17:01:59 ThickAsThieves: how does btc stand a chance of avoiding all this? cant "goxcoins" be created and contained so as to depress market?

17:02:05 bounce: well I won't say no to a sack of that worthless money. a milliard or two should do.

17:02:08 mircea_popescu: they have the same thing in argentina, it's called "precios cuidados". you can buy cheap shitty rice and w/e for pesos as if the official rate were meaningfull.

17:02:15 mircea_popescu: otherwise shit is 50% more expensive

17:02:18 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.49991689 BTC. Current weight: 54,425.

17:02:22 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 36(Y):64(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 18.68931212 BTC. Current weight: 15,690.

17:02:27 asciilifeform: you're NOT doing it online << but if you could - you would. the number one ingredient for 'humint' rollups of whatever thing usg dislikes - is to get people to drag their earthly carcasses out into the physical open, where they can be 'controlled buy' operated and arrested.

17:02:44 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well sure, that's what ethereum is trying to achieve.

17:02:51 asciilifeform: if cocaine could teleport - it would be as ubiquitous and invulnerable as w4r3z.

17:03:12 bounce: what're you saying, proposing to scam the gullible for the good of the many? what how now?

17:03:19 ThickAsThieves: i guess that's why we already see huge premiums on OTC (real) coins

17:03:24 nubbins`: ;;bc,xau

17:03:28 gribble: 1 XAU = 1227.300000000000 USD = 2.90746707098 BTC

17:03:49 thestringpuller: ;;google XAU

17:03:49 gribble: ^XAU: Summary for PHLX Gold/Silver Sector- Yahoo! Finance: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EXAU; XAU - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAU; XAU - Kitco: http://www.kitco.com/pop_windows/stocks/xau.html

17:03:53 ben_vulpes: * xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw << wtf last time i offered to cut you checks in btc you were all "nah lets fuck around with retarded int'l payment processors"

17:03:55 thestringpuller: ah

17:04:02 []bot: Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 62(Y):38(N) by coin, 74(Y):26(N) by weight. Total bet: 1816.66146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,508.

17:04:07 ThickAsThieves: wha!

17:04:19 ThickAsThieves: again?

17:04:21 xmj: ben_vulpes: yes and since then i've had to deal with Skype, the IRS fuckers, and got around to set things up.

17:04:37 xmj: ben_vulpes: I've TOLD you I'd love to work for BTC before.

17:04:44 bounce: hmm.

17:04:47 mircea_popescu: o.O

17:05:00 xmj: er, replace skype with PayPal.

17:05:00 ThickAsThieves: maybe someone made that quantum miner!

17:05:01 xmj: fuckers.

17:05:03 mircea_popescu: bitbet is having a totally shit month

17:05:09 Duffer1: interestingt

17:05:14 bounce: oh, was about to mention something about running your own SIP

17:05:41 bounce: (switch, ata hooked up to some service, whatever)

17:05:57 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> bitbet is having a totally shit month /// use your powers to make BTCUSD $700 again, all will be well

17:06:01 mircea_popescu: o hey bitcoin outlets ? there've just been a quarter million dollars worth of btc bet within an hour. this is not news because you don't know where news in bitcoin breaks or because you don't know what news actually is ?

17:06:18 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves my powers only work when nobody mentions them.

17:06:23 ThickAsThieves: sry

17:06:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw at some point ima want to hear what you thought!

17:06:39 bounce: "don't mention the powers!"

17:06:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: chumpatronics? it was very spiffy.

17:07:05 mircea_popescu: bounce yeah i'm an unbelief god. like, most gods draw their power from believers believing.

17:07:08 mircea_popescu: i, on the other hand...

17:07:33 bounce: too bad our collective name is cleese

17:07:34 ThickAsThieves: am the antichrist?

17:08:00 mircea_popescu: "the pedestrian antichrist"

17:08:04 mircea_popescu: dude where's my horse!

17:08:12 ThickAsThieves: in qgyot

17:08:14 ThickAsThieves: eqypt

17:08:18 ThickAsThieves: ...

17:08:24 ThickAsThieves: i type real good

17:08:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im quite very fond of it!

17:08:28 asciilifeform: ;;google i'm on a horse

17:08:30 gribble: I'm On A Horse - The Song - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WMXeKzoGxg; I'm on a Horse - Old Spice Commercial - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX5au0LOJp8; I'm On A Horse - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsPwQVnlDg0

17:08:59 xmj: ;;google Scotland Independence Poll

17:08:59 gribble: Scottish independence referendum - Poll Tracker - BBC News: http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/poll-tracker; BBC News - Scottish independence: Voting under way in referendum: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29238890; Scottish independence referendum poll: the latest tracker - Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish- (1 more message)

17:09:03 xmj: there we go.

17:09:40 mircea_popescu: lol and of course the scream of late leech is at its place.

17:09:46 mike_c: this activity is hurting kakobrekla's theory that bitbet need moar user friendly

17:09:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of a sequel, might be interesting to go into the biological hooks made use of by a qualified ce (chumpatronic engineer)

17:09:55 ben_vulpes: <ThickAsThieves> i'm like, you now i'll have to pay taxes on those too right? << dude stop letting the wimmins make important decisions like dietary and financial structuring

17:09:57 asciilifeform: specifically,

17:09:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2014#813153

17:09:58 assbot: Logged on 28-08-2014 04:09:12; mircea_popescu: answer : because women. pregnancy is also -ev, and yet women do it. the same psychological complexes that control that can also yield amusing social results.

17:09:59 asciilifeform: and the like.

17:10:00 ben_vulpes: :P

17:10:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why me

17:10:42 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

17:10:43 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.0, Best ask: 420.05, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 420.0, 24 hour volume: 14195.12576169, 24 hour low: 420.0, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 442.041614288

17:10:47 xmj: derp.

17:10:55 mircea_popescu: i would guess the bitstamp ticker crossed the guy's whatever threshold

17:10:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why me << because asciilifeform is about to tickle some very small holes in a teflon rod.

17:11:08 mircea_popescu: there's more people here!

17:11:21 xmj: ben_vulpes: btw, ive since learned that sending SWIFT wires is cheaper and more convenient than PayfuckingPal.

17:11:33 mircea_popescu: dude you're a fucking idiot, seriously.

17:12:25 ThickAsThieves: my prediction is the Wall St correction will begin just before BRK bet closes and mp will be laughing

17:12:45 ThickAsThieves: and me with my 5btc bet at full weight

17:12:52 mircea_popescu: so far it's looking pretty grim.

17:12:54 xmj: BRK ?

17:13:05 ThickAsThieves: lotsa months to go

17:13:09 mircea_popescu: true

17:13:45 ThickAsThieves: you have to believe in bitbet for it to work!

17:13:59 ThickAsThieves: it can make diff go up to dizzying heights

17:14:03 ThickAsThieves: just believe

17:14:08 mircea_popescu: lol

17:14:15 mircea_popescu: fcking nuts the diff bets already.

17:14:44 *: bounce is supporting bitbet by not believing in the bets. nor actually betting.

17:14:54 ThickAsThieves: after all, all coin in that bet supports a Yes outcome

17:15:02 ThickAsThieves: since they cant sell the coins

17:15:21 mircea_popescu: does anyone more versed in math have a ready replacement for sine and cosine in places where one wants a periodic but doesn't have the math resources to trig ?

17:15:41 bounce: a trig table?

17:15:45 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves hm i suppose this perversion is true

17:15:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: flip-flop.

17:15:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you did say just want periodic...

17:16:08 mircea_popescu: i misspoke., i don't care about that, it just has to be in a range

17:16:13 mircea_popescu: which answers my q : hasing

17:16:19 mircea_popescu: ty chan for listening

17:18:46 mike_c: um, what about what everybody else does. lookup table.

17:19:31 mircea_popescu: fuck that, im too special for lookup tables

17:20:12 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3S4Y7FH.txt )

17:20:12 mthreat: !b 1

17:20:19 asciilifeform: for(t=u=85; ; t+=u>>2, u-=t>>2) pissout(t+128);

17:20:20 asciilifeform: ^ sine.

17:20:34 asciilifeform: to 5% or so

17:20:39 mthreat: nice

17:20:43 asciilifeform: do try.

17:20:45 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "and unusually sane 46 years (1520-1566) atop the throne, certainly compared to his successors" << certainly what

17:20:50 mircea_popescu: mthreat hater :D

17:21:30 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: his successors were all "only mommy can make me dinner so i know it's not poisoned"

17:21:48 mircea_popescu: yes but you're missing an operand.

17:22:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sadly i don't need it very precise, but it hastabe 0.3% or so.

17:22:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: limited resource << cpu time? code space? working space ? or all 3.

17:22:43 mircea_popescu: aaaand i misspoke again. it has to produce about 300 different results is what i mean.

17:22:53 mircea_popescu: which your thing definitely would wouldn't it.

17:23:31 asciilifeform: what's the limited ingredient? because if 8 bit output resolution, 300 byte table.

17:23:55 mircea_popescu: just clock cycles really

17:24:00 asciilifeform: table then.

17:24:08 mircea_popescu: BUT I R HAET

17:24:10 asciilifeform: how would you propose to beat that, cycle-wise.

17:24:27 mircea_popescu: the present state of computing science sucks!(tm)

17:24:31 bounce: a trig table... in hardware!!!1!

17:24:35 mircea_popescu: can't even beat a table.

17:24:51 kakobrekla: you can flip it.

17:24:58 asciilifeform: employ a mentat.

17:25:23 mircea_popescu: fuck you guise, i'm going home.

17:26:02 mthreat: there's a street near me called Guise

17:26:13 nubbins`: 8 Guise

17:26:44 kakobrekla: and full name "Fucked By"

17:27:15 mike_c: hehe. "I don't have time" 'then use space' "I don't like space!"

17:27:36 asciilifeform: mike_c: then use.. finesse.

17:27:56 mike_c: physicists are probably looking for a 3rd option, but might take awhile.

17:28:04 kakobrekla: <mike_c> this activity is hurting kakobrekla's theory that bitbet need moar user friendly < i dont like the combination of these letters

17:28:16 ThickAsThieves: lol

17:28:27 asciilifeform: 'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller's mega-epic 'suddenly, the inventor appeared.').

17:29:37 mike_c: well, a valid question would be: how much user friendly would be required to pull in 500 btc in bets.

17:29:52 The20YearIRCloud: punkman: RENT's NAV is right around .01btc/share, so there's some value to new shares @ the reduced amount even of .0075 with as low as BTC/USD is. It wasn't my preference to close down market, but if my investor indication goes through they'll all be sold within a week and the fund will be back to normal activity.

17:30:13 asciilifeform: mike_c: how much beauty does hellen need to launch one-fifth of a ship ?

17:30:27 mike_c: please, beauty. none. helen was a thin pretense.

17:30:42 asciilifeform: ;;ud millihellen

17:30:43 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Millihelen | The quantity of beauty required to Launch one ship.

17:30:47 mike_c: hehe

17:30:53 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> physicists are probably looking for a 3rd option, but might take awhile. << all you need is love...

17:31:14 mike_c: and wtf, doesn't helen have one l?

17:31:16 asciilifeform: '...for the motherland, hate - for enemy'

17:31:21 mike_c: ;;ud millihelen

17:31:23 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Millihelen | "Judith was no match for Helen of Troy, having on a few millihelens of beauty herself". by great ... Nice kid with a sweet personality; kinda plain tho'... a millihelen.

17:31:48 mircea_popescu: 18<mike_c> please, beauty. none. helen was a thin pretense. << for what, gayola ?

17:32:32 *: asciilifeform pops 'll' key, checks spring

17:33:16 asciilifeform: llol.

17:33:17 mike_c: helen was a thin pretense for the launching of ships. kinda like WMD.

17:33:43 The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: I got the posters today, I had a question about redemption of the prize or whatever - Do the claimants just get on here and post a link to a photo, are there any other requirements?

17:33:47 asciilifeform: as is 'user friendly'

17:34:23 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud pretty much. we're going to limit it if there's anything looking like fraud, but otherwise, just show up in here and hold the poster up

17:34:30 kakobrekla: you guys are oversimplifying.

17:34:37 mircea_popescu: sorta like the tits thing worked, but without the tits.

17:35:25 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as is 'user friendly' << no, he has it kakobrekla

17:35:50 mircea_popescu: "user friendly" is a post hoc explanation just like "he's handsome&cool" is a pill against morning after remorse.

17:35:59 The20YearIRCloud: nubbins`: Regarding our SEC filing, Havelock & FPAI act as intermediaries (Which the SEC allows) Separating the US entity from Havelock. Our laywer has run the setup through several other legal advisors at the SEC and they all feel it's the best setup for what we're doing.

17:36:34 mike_c: kakobrekla: i felt like that conversation the other day started in the middle. what is your position exactly?

17:36:38 nubbins`: yeah, that's what we figured

17:37:06 The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: I'm going to write up a letter/note and give a poster & instructions to each one of my tenants, then offer a discount if they use BTC to pay for their rent( even if it's a fraction of the rent). But that will only account for 15 of the 50 posters, so I was gonna run a few contests on our FB page (If that's ok with you?) for the remainder

17:37:13 The20YearIRCloud: Of course, keeping #1 for myself

17:37:26 nubbins`: ^ heh

17:37:43 nubbins`: i'll buy it off ya ;D

17:37:53 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud nah, keep them for further tenants.

17:37:56 The20YearIRCloud: I'll sell #1 for 2btc

17:37:58 mircea_popescu: you both expand and you'll see some churn, so.

17:38:05 The20YearIRCloud: I

17:38:26 The20YearIRCloud: I'd rather give a few away, it can take a while for us to churn through tenants & expand, running a contest would boost our FB page severely too :D

17:38:55 mircea_popescu: well yes im sure it would, but the idea is for them to go to actual tenants.

17:39:36 The20YearIRCloud: Which is why i brought it up with you now, as I don't want to give a few away and then them yell at me saying they couldn't claim their 0.1btc

17:39:51 mircea_popescu: cool.

17:41:11 The20YearIRCloud: Also kind of wanted to give one each to my employees

17:44:07 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud im sure nubbins` will gladly make you a dedicated fb or employee poster. kid's talented.

17:44:28 The20YearIRCloud: I wasn't sure if the posters were earmarked exclusively for tenants only

17:44:39 kakobrekla: mike_c that 'nice package' of a 'good product' does not turn off the buyers after the 'good product'.

17:44:42 The20YearIRCloud: as there were 100 posters made, me getting 50

17:44:42 *: asciilifeform always reads 'fb' as 'framebuffer', wonders who else.

17:45:03 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/cointerra-16nm-bitcoin-asic/ Rise, nethash, rise!

17:45:03 assbot: CoinTerra Opens Pre-Orders for First 16nm Bitcoin ASIC

17:45:16 mike_c: but the implication being that BB does not currently have nice package?

17:45:22 The20YearIRCloud: i can't wait till the 1nm asics

17:45:36 ThickAsThieves: graphene ASICs

17:46:07 mike_c: intel is on what, 14 nm?

17:46:15 ThickAsThieves: i think 12

17:46:16 ThickAsThieves: not sure

17:46:55 ThickAsThieves: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-processor-5nm,17578.html

17:46:56 assbot: Intel Has 5 nm Processors in Sight

17:47:05 kakobrekla: mike_c nice package is mostly for superficial people. to those i think it does not cater well.

17:47:33 mthreat: mircea_popescu: I have the event for you: Reddit Mitap - http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2gr6lo/mitap_s%C3%A1bado_27_parque_centenario_san_bernardo/

17:47:35 assbot: MITAP SBADO 27: Parque Centenario -> San Bernardo : argentina

17:47:42 kakobrekla: i guess it depends what the goal is.

17:48:00 bounce: apparently the process size numbers have become all but meaningless

17:48:08 mike_c: so in this case perhaps superficial = casual gambler.

17:48:23 ThickAsThieves: http://i.imgur.com/OXJXxbX.png

17:48:26 mike_c: i don't think package is the issue there. more the parimutuel/weight system.

17:48:30 ThickAsThieves: kako will like that ^

17:48:57 kakobrekla: heh

17:49:27 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: salami slice ?

17:49:35 kakobrekla: mike_c sometimes the line from product and package is hard to determine, seems to me.

17:50:17 kakobrekla: but tat you can still have both, nice fonts AND correct math. in theory.

17:50:36 ThickAsThieves: of course

17:50:39 mike_c: i don't like circle's look. not as good as ethereum.

17:50:47 asciilifeform: the math is correct. just missing a term.

17:50:53 ThickAsThieves: oh yeah the other day you mentioned, you never heard of good package hurting good product

17:50:54 asciilifeform: call it 's' for salami.

17:51:01 ThickAsThieves: it is very much a thing

17:51:15 ThickAsThieves: i'll give a basic example

17:51:48 kakobrekla: do tell, mp came with one (and not great one)

17:52:07 ThickAsThieves: nonprofit agency pays more money for cheap-looking solicition materials (like, capital campaign mailers) so as not to look like they have plenty money to afford nicer package

17:52:29 ThickAsThieves: packaging must match culture of audience

17:52:36 kakobrekla: but nonprofits goal is to not make a profit, so that doesnt count.

17:52:52 ThickAsThieves: i'm showing how the nonprofit has awareness of the phenomenon

17:53:22 ThickAsThieves: if packaging doesnt suit audience, one or both parties may be alienated

17:53:33 ThickAsThieves: the packaging is a communication

17:53:49 ThickAsThieves: a language maybe

17:54:24 asciilifeform: 'inverse-veblen good' ?

17:54:33 ThickAsThieves: what if god was one of us?

17:54:48 bounce: what if americans understood irony?

17:55:09 kakobrekla: i thought 'good' implied 'appropriate'.

17:55:25 ThickAsThieves: good implies optimal i guess

17:55:32 ThickAsThieves: we are defining it

17:55:39 asciilifeform: ;;google veblen good

17:55:40 gribble: Veblen good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good; Veblen Good Definition | Investopedia: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/veblen-good.asp; Veblen Good Definition & Example | Investing Answers: http://www.investinganswers.com/financial-dictionary/economics/veblen-good-6371

17:55:40 mike_c: nonprofit goal is to not book a profit, but they certainly want as much revenue as they can get.

17:55:48 kakobrekla: its not good if its inappropriate

17:56:14 asciilifeform: 'good' meant there, something one can buy or sell.

17:56:19 ThickAsThieves: yes asciii good example

17:56:40 kakobrekla: i also am not talking about "not evil"

17:57:18 ThickAsThieves: thin line between optimizing your communication and being manipulative

17:57:35 ThickAsThieves: if line exists at all

17:59:13 ThickAsThieves: just to inject a quick tangent, lately i've been thinking about how reality is essentially toxic, and of human relationship with it is in how it insulates from it.

17:59:39 ThickAsThieves: how

17:59:43 ThickAsThieves: bleh

18:01:16 ThickAsThieves: probly just boils down to thermodynamics

18:01:41 bounce: toxic in what sense?

18:01:55 ThickAsThieves: it causes pain when exposed

18:02:16 ThickAsThieves: contemplating ones mortality for example

18:02:30 bounce: so pain is the universe's fault?

18:02:48 ThickAsThieves: well it aint my fault

18:02:50 ThickAsThieves: :)

18:03:04 bounce: of course it isn't.

18:03:37 ThickAsThieves: humans work so hard to insulate from real

18:04:22 ThickAsThieves: probly also restating mp's theories on not all men can be free

18:04:28 ThickAsThieves: some men can take the pain

18:04:39 ThickAsThieves: or thrive on it

18:04:42 los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves don't.jump.

18:04:47 ThickAsThieves: haha

18:04:55 los_pantalones: it's just $

18:04:58 ThickAsThieves: lol

18:05:02 los_pantalones: unrealized losses

18:05:04 ThickAsThieves: no its not that

18:05:08 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves candidate for wife-replacement surgery ?

18:05:15 ThickAsThieves: i'm short on BTCUSD

18:05:26 ThickAsThieves: been so for a while

18:05:53 los_pantalones: "short on" = don't have enough

18:05:55 los_pantalones: or you are short it

18:06:32 asciilifeform: what's a btcusd ?

18:06:35 ThickAsThieves: i literally shorted it with leverage

18:06:41 asciilifeform: is it something like a newton-metre ?

18:06:44 asciilifeform: or foot-pound ?

18:06:58 ThickAsThieves: just btc price in usd

18:07:03 los_pantalones: on bfx ?

18:07:12 ThickAsThieves: yes

18:07:22 los_pantalones: borrowing costs to short are pretty cheap

18:07:33 ThickAsThieves: much less than longs

18:07:53 ThickAsThieves: currently at .002% per day for me

18:08:28 los_pantalones: nice return

18:08:39 los_pantalones: have a target?

18:08:41 los_pantalones: $0 ?

18:08:56 ThickAsThieves: ive started covering and hope to buy back in for realz under 400

18:09:01 ThickAsThieves: 360 looks likely

18:09:33 ThickAsThieves: watching closely of course

18:09:50 los_pantalones: ha

18:10:00 los_pantalones: good luck

18:10:07 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

18:10:09 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.4, Best ask: 428.53, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 428.4, 24 hour volume: 15009.87721379, 24 hour low: 415.0, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 438.112123888

18:10:54 thestringpuller: i've been long since 2012

18:11:05 thestringpuller: the only time I went short was october 2012

18:11:10 thestringpuller: MPOE puts

18:11:18 thestringpuller: just to see how they worked

18:12:54 los_pantalones: long puts, no matter the market

18:12:56 los_pantalones: terrible trade

18:32:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 321 @ 0.0075 = 2.4075 BTC [+] {2}

18:38:05 thestringpuller: los_pantalones: yea we all know that now

18:38:21 thestringpuller: too bad I didn't know that in my infancy

18:42:09 los_pantalones: gotta learn somehow

18:42:15 los_pantalones: and mp might say quite the opposite

18:42:26 los_pantalones: but he was in a slightly diff pos

18:45:38 thestringpuller: http://digg.com/2014/we-need-an-adult?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email

18:45:39 assbot: Is Adulthood Dead? - Digg

18:46:18 ThickAsThieves: did it ever exist?

18:46:49 mircea_popescu: <mthreat> mircea_popescu: I have the event for you: Reddit Mitap - http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2gr6lo/mitap_s%C3%A1bado_27_parque_centenario_san_bernardo/ << wanna go ?

18:46:51 assbot: MITAP SBADO 27: Parque Centenario -> San Bernardo : argentina

18:46:56 mircea_popescu: i've already been to the embassy thing, so.

18:46:58 The20YearIRCloud: I don't think saying walter white wasn't an adult is kind of stupid

18:47:20 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> i think 12 << iirc 12 kinda fizzled.

18:47:33 The20YearIRCloud: in my mind adulthood is the time when you stop thinking less about now and more about the future

18:47:51 The20YearIRCloud: then attempt to make decisions that look forward, trying to plan. Of course many people never get to that point

18:48:31 asciilifeform: just as unrelated q: anyone know of a laptop comp. currently on the market which isn't a complete piece of shit? (everything i see either has display with < 1080 lines, glossy, or both - imho unusable.)

18:48:36 The20YearIRCloud: My kids look forward maybe 3 minutes, 5 if I"m lucky

18:48:37 mircea_popescu: "Cuesti?n, nos vemos el s?bado que viene y recuerden: al que hable de bitcoins lo tiramos al agua / invita un shot a todos / pela."

18:48:43 The20YearIRCloud: I've heard lenovo is decent

18:48:44 mircea_popescu: mthreat we go there, beat the shit out of the kids ?

18:48:59 mircea_popescu: curious what the situation is like here if you assault some idiots in the street. fine or what ?

18:49:01 ThickAsThieves: <+asciilifeform> thinkpad X1

18:49:10 The20YearIRCloud: in Romania?

18:49:16 ThickAsThieves: x1 carbon

18:49:24 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: no 'F' keys! what a steaming turd.

18:49:29 ThickAsThieves: sry

18:49:50 asciilifeform: plus the one with >1080 lines has gloss.

18:50:00 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud buenos aires.

18:50:19 ThickAsThieves: wait a sec mine has F keys and no gloss

18:50:28 asciilifeform: how many lines of display res ?

18:51:27 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ << holy shit even money ?!

18:51:27 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (48%) on Yes, 1195.58 B (52%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`485 (100`000 to 1)

18:51:47 mircea_popescu: well not QUITE even

18:52:20 The20YearIRCloud: You're in argentina now?

18:52:31 The20YearIRCloud: I've met a few from there, they assure me with a little bit of cash you can do whatever you want

18:52:34 thestringpuller: interesting. i wonder if the suppression in price is at all related to this bet

18:53:28 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud it's so far been my understanding.

18:53:43 mircea_popescu: so going in there and plowing a beating into the reddit crowd seems a decent use for a few bitcents.

18:53:55 The20YearIRCloud: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/


18:54:06 ThickAsThieves: ascii 2560 x 1600

18:54:18 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: which machine was this

18:54:20 ThickAsThieves: you want the X1 carbon 2nd edition

18:54:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17399999 = 0.522 BTC [+]

18:55:14 ThickAsThieves: also chosen for being linux-friendly system

18:55:29 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: have you a link to vendor?

18:55:43 asciilifeform: because lenovo's site mentions no such animal

18:56:15 asciilifeform: they have a 2560 x 1440 glossy, and a 900 line turd.

18:56:24 ThickAsThieves: the links are dynamic sadly, so you might have to build it, but i will look up my order

18:58:11 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves don't.jump. << STOP! it's hammertime!

19:00:12 ThickAsThieves: ok ascii you are right, matte is only for 14"

19:00:18 ThickAsThieves: and 900

19:00:30 asciilifeform: there we go.

19:01:13 ThickAsThieves: it isnt the best display, but everything else is nice

19:01:14 mthreat: mircea_popescu: nah the reddit kids are a friendly bunch, i've been to one of their parties

19:01:37 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: good laptop for a blind man, then.

19:01:48 mircea_popescu: well ok, then we can just go and not beat them up

19:02:31 ThickAsThieves: rather, not a good laptop for fine linework and ruining your eyesight staring at small details ;)

19:03:23 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: it's bad enough that no one makes a laptop with vertical display...

19:03:51 ThickAsThieves: they have those tabletops

19:03:59 asciilifeform: tabletop ?

19:04:11 ThickAsThieves: sorry that was meant to read tablet-tops

19:04:16 *: mircea_popescu says "get a tablet" then remembers proper tablet was never made because apple got to it first.

19:04:16 asciilifeform: ew

19:04:18 ThickAsThieves: convertible laptop tablets

19:04:32 ThickAsThieves: MS and Intel would really love for you to buy 1

19:04:52 *: asciilifeform mercifully forgot that microshit sold a 'tablet'

19:05:04 ThickAsThieves: they have big ones now too

19:05:12 ThickAsThieves: so bad

19:05:17 ThickAsThieves: MS is so fucked

19:05:27 mthreat: mircea_popescu: also, i'm done with my contract work so as of tomorrow my days are free again. we should get lunch, maybe at Dogg - http://pickupthefork.com/tag/dogg-buenos-aires/

19:05:28 assbot: DOGG buenos aires | Pick Up The Fork

19:05:41 mthreat: oops, better link - http://pickupthefork.com/2014/01/28/dogg-getting-it-on-hot-doggy-style/

19:05:42 assbot: DOGG: Getting It On Hot Doggy Style | Pick Up The Fork

19:06:26 mircea_popescu: mthreat prolly better next week tho.

19:06:43 mthreat: cool

19:07:29 mircea_popescu: http://ferfal.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/why-didnt-i-move-to-estancia-cafayate.html << not bad lol

19:07:29 assbot: SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: Why didnt I move to Estancia Cafayate in the Province of Salta

19:07:42 mircea_popescu: Isnt it wonderful how the ?Casey Research Group ?concludes that the best thing for you is to buy property from Doug Casey in crappy poor Argentina?. JAJAJAJAA!!!!

19:07:42 mircea_popescu: You?d think that being rich and loving a wine sipping, golf playing sophisticated lifestyle you?d be better off in Napa Valley or something, but no, the best thing for you is to go to the middle of nowhere Argentina and then go from there to a middle of nowhere province where land used to sell for a dollar a square mile, that is until good ol? Doug bought it and his research now shows that its in your best intere

19:07:42 mircea_popescu: st to pay 300.000 a pop for a place in his Estancia? in one of the poorest provinces of Argentina? in the middle of the desert, where not a blade of grass would survive without artificial irrigation. JA!! Amazing what you can achieve with research!

19:07:52 mircea_popescu: i gotta say, the scammers here are just about this fucktarded.

19:08:04 *: asciilifeform confesses that when he learned that mircea_popescu was going to Ar, assumed that it was because of the joys chronicled by (among others) ferfal.

19:08:06 mircea_popescu: i mean, nowhere near the smoothness one expects of the same operation in say maryland

19:08:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform first time i go to that site.

19:08:29 asciilifeform: well yes. but the events described there, afaik - happened.

19:08:44 asciilifeform: good old-fashioned 'mad max' collapse, that is

19:09:14 mircea_popescu: in argentina ? nah.

19:09:45 The20YearIRCloud: yugoslovia was mad max

19:10:04 mthreat: mircea_popescu: ferfal lives in the US now, for a while ;)

19:10:06 asciilifeform: wai what, those great tales of children chained to streetlights so cars would stop, and then drivers can be throat-cut and robbed - all fake ?!

19:10:07 The20YearIRCloud: argentina is like a detroit collapse

19:10:08 *: asciilifeform sad

19:10:18 The20YearIRCloud: he's making great money in the US as a consultant

19:10:26 mircea_popescu: yugoslavia WAS mad max, yes.

19:10:36 mthreat: with yugos instead of mustangs?

19:10:43 The20YearIRCloud: shtfschool has some information about the yugoslovia incident

19:10:47 mircea_popescu: argentina... meh. i should be able to see the signs. meanwhile, their biggest bombing was of a 3 story jewish centre 30 years ago.

19:10:57 mircea_popescu: by this measure the us has been through all madmaxes in history.

19:11:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the children chained / throats cut business, same goes to you as discussed with los_pantalones re that robbery gopro video.

19:11:58 mircea_popescu: does that schmuck look threatening to you ? and yet, inexplicably, he's alive. how ?

19:12:24 asciilifeform: alive because knows his place in food chain, presumably

19:12:41 mircea_popescu: yeah, totally.

19:12:49 mircea_popescu: more like, because there scarcely is any food chain

19:12:58 asciilifeform: or perhaps 'food chain' is not the right term. lion looks dangerous to man, but not to adult elephant, though the latter will not eat him

19:13:06 mircea_popescu: blind cavefish do not survive because they know not to upset cats

19:13:16 mircea_popescu: they survive because sealed in cave. no cats there.

19:14:13 asciilifeform: well-known phenomenon - dodo bird.

19:14:28 mircea_popescu: and also! it's generally gringos that are the scammers.

19:14:35 mircea_popescu: they think themselves so smart, and all that.

19:14:44 los_pantalones: us gringos are dangerous

19:14:55 mircea_popescu: incredibly easy to spot, too.

19:15:06 asciilifeform: scammers - sure. but surely every land can produce its own thieves, robbers, berserkers.

19:15:21 mircea_popescu: "Oh, you didn?t know? See, one of the differences between living in Buenos Aires and living in Salta, is that the life expectancy for males in Buenos Aires is 69,17, while in Salta its 66,17!!!! How Cool is that?! You get to kick the bucket while in your prime years, no one wants to be remembered like an old wrinkly man, rich or not. Why would you want to live in Buenos Aires and live a measly 4 years more of life?"

19:15:26 mircea_popescu: the farfel guy is not just retarded,

19:15:30 mircea_popescu: he can't substract.

19:15:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if every land could every land were a duchy and russia'd consist of some land on the bug.

19:16:09 mthreat: 3 years here is like 4 years other places?

19:16:41 mircea_popescu: mthreat now this i can credit.

19:18:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, living in a dirt poor province has its advantages.

19:18:42 mircea_popescu: for one thing, it's the cheapest way to raise an army.

19:19:03 mircea_popescu: for another thing, it's the cheapest way to spread your carnal knowledge.

19:20:38 los_pantalones: this is how i feel about those advantages

19:20:39 los_pantalones: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--cZ6LHkmG--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/r3uq72pzbwcld3zw2awg.png

19:22:24 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones i guess you're not the next stalin then.

19:22:38 los_pantalones: sadly, no

19:22:45 los_pantalones: sorry to my fanbois

19:22:56 mircea_popescu: a well, we've all got our limitations :D

19:23:18 mircea_popescu: "I?m in financial services and one of the researchers I read suggests"

19:23:39 mircea_popescu: fucking lamers these people. i read that, i think here's an aluminum sidings salesman trying to make it as an insurance salesman now

19:29:21 []bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 45(Y):55(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.68931212 BTC. Current weight: 15,387.

19:31:18 Duffer1: at what point does that become a gracious donation?

19:32:17 asciilifeform: http://what.thedailywtf.com/uploads/default/6235/a87b15fae5f1185c.png

19:32:47 mircea_popescu: after the bet closes

19:32:56 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

19:32:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 415.0, Best ask: 415.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 415.0, 24 hour volume: 17059.74082261, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 435.262063823

19:33:08 thestringpuller: is the term "gracious donation" copyrighted?

19:33:29 Duffer1: i see

19:33:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao. "crazy shit stick on all sides of weapon!!!!"

19:33:35 mircea_popescu: guy's great

19:35:10 mircea_popescu: lmao

19:35:27 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-prices-under-400/

19:36:46 cazalla: well, that's an interesting price to wake up to

19:37:35 asciilifeform: 'happy is the man who has one leg, one sock doesn't tear, one boot isn't needed.'

19:38:12 mircea_popescu: guy's excellent dude, i'm wiping my tears over here, chicks are doubled over on the floor laughing, you ruined my fucking work

19:38:20 asciilifeform: muhahahaha.

19:38:21 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

19:38:22 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.31, Best ask: 410.33, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 410.33, 24 hour volume: 17399.49655314, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 434.783426284

19:38:40 ThickAsThieves: 393 at btce

19:40:11 thestringpuller: bet closed

19:40:18 thestringpuller: congrats winners!

19:40:28 thestringpuller: even if you didn't win this time remember, participation counts

19:41:04 The20YearIRCloud: Joy!

19:41:11 mircea_popescu: o srsly ?

19:41:13 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

19:41:15 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.5, Best ask: 412.77, Bid-ask spread: 2.27000, Last trade: 410.38, 24 hour volume: 17414.87561426, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 434.716551529

19:41:30 mircea_popescu: not quite yet.

19:45:48 kakobrekla: bitbet sez its 50:50

19:45:59 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-october/

19:45:59 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October :: 9.69 B (45%) on Yes, 12 B (55%) on No | closing in 5 days 4 hours | weight: 15`353 (100`000 to 1)

19:46:44 los_pantalones: what did i say earlier about long puts?

19:46:48 los_pantalones: the

19:46:49 los_pantalones: worst

19:47:22 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

19:47:24 gribble: Current Blocks: 321393 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1166 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 55 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35414879261.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.72342

20:00:52 mircea_popescu: well what does bitbet know.

20:01:49 The20YearIRCloud: Anyone know when the scotland vote isi n?

20:01:55 mircea_popescu: tomorrow no ?

20:02:11 mike_c: today i believe

20:02:15 Duffer1: today

20:02:26 The20YearIRCloud: I meant timewise - it's today

20:02:38 mircea_popescu: they proly gotta count it, come to terms with the fact the uk is gone, stuff.

20:02:41 mircea_popescu: tomorrow.

20:03:06 The20YearIRCloud: 10pm tonight it seems

20:03:06 asciilifeform: scokraine.

20:03:23 mike_c: bitbet says scotland will stay with the UK

20:03:25 kakobrekla: lol i post a link here - next block there is 5 bets incoming.

20:03:46 mircea_popescu: mike_c what does bitbet know.

20:04:03 kakobrekla: it knows what block is it.

20:05:23 mircea_popescu: course bottom may well be in.

20:06:00 mircea_popescu: but anyway, regardless of scotland. basque country, french canada, transylvania, there were a coupla hundred states at the start of the century

20:06:06 mircea_popescu: there will be many thousands at the end of it.

20:06:17 mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no reason to have a country larger than hong kong.

20:06:53 mircea_popescu: most us states are too large, let alone the federal construct altogether.

20:07:24 mike_c: big countries eat small countries.

20:09:28 mircea_popescu: used to.

20:09:47 mircea_popescu: meanwhile china ate tibet but still is struggling with singapore.

20:09:53 mircea_popescu: small countries > big countries.

20:10:09 mike_c: tell ukraine that

20:10:11 asciilifeform: i bet tibet tasted like shit.

20:10:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c ukraine is not a small country, is its problem

20:11:08 mike_c: i guess this is true. it is only losing pieces.

20:11:17 asciilifeform: panic_sell << lol, herr buterin gives a little knob a bit of clockwise twist, and we have 'panic'

20:11:18 mike_c: as is syria.

20:12:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform engineering panics are however great. as far as the usg is concerned, they're cannibalistic

20:12:21 mircea_popescu: the people being kicked off are exactly the two bit farmers that it'd have had to rely on to expand its rule into this new fronteer

20:12:36 The20YearIRCloud: engineering panics?

20:12:39 mircea_popescu: not like the indians are about to leave their ancestral homeland because the colonists dun like it no more.

20:12:50 The20YearIRCloud: in singapore or tibet?

20:12:59 mircea_popescu: we moved on to discussing buterin's derpage.

20:13:54 asciilifeform: !s buterin waterfall

20:13:55 assbot: 3 results for 'buterin waterfall' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=buterin+waterfall

20:13:59 asciilifeform: ^ for those who slept.

20:15:42 The20YearIRCloud: ah

20:16:35 ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform

20:19:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, from a purely geopolitical perspective... gutting the 51st us state is more than adequate escalation for the entire ukraine mess, much like the syria humiliation was more than adequate escalation for the ossetia mess.

20:19:44 mircea_popescu: for a guy that "doesn't understand how reality works", the situation in the field speaks well of putin.

20:20:06 asciilifeform: gut - then make haggis.

20:20:27 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

20:20:33 asciilifeform: !up xanthyos

20:20:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2000 @ 0.0007198 = 1.4396 BTC [+]

20:21:39 BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos

20:21:39 asciilifeform: !up xanthyos

20:21:42 xanthyos: saved from panic selling due to a ban from otc. wonder why.

20:21:47 xanthyos: hi BingoBoingo

20:21:54 BingoBoingo: Hi xanthyos

20:22:32 The20YearIRCloud: hi

20:22:42 los_pantalones: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/

20:22:43 assbot: Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us : Bitcoin

20:22:51 los_pantalones: love these redditors

20:23:09 The20YearIRCloud: Crazy

20:23:12 mike_c: holy shit, i missed the 2nd 500

20:23:19 los_pantalones: me too

20:23:39 mircea_popescu: the strangest thing is... why make it 4 equal chunks

20:24:09 mike_c: wtf []bot

20:24:28 los_pantalones: idk, wences had to dig up 4 private keys from 1m underground in 4 countries ?

20:24:28 mircea_popescu: "Looking at those payouts, no one should take those bets, either for or against. The payout ratio is really, really bad if I read it correctly." << makes sense.

20:24:30 asciilifeform: equal chunks << usg's calling card.

20:24:34 mircea_popescu: NEITHER SIDE IS A GOOD BET!!!

20:24:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how you figure ?

20:24:46 asciilifeform: sr.

20:24:53 mircea_popescu: hm ?

20:24:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]

20:25:04 asciilifeform: if i recall, those were also cut into 'round' parcels.

20:25:15 ThickAsThieves: equal chunks from different addies?

20:25:15 mircea_popescu: "Who is sending 1000 BTC to a site with no SSL? Any why would anyone trust this site anyways? People are stupid or it's fake."

20:25:19 mircea_popescu: lol

20:25:22 ThickAsThieves: wow

20:25:24 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:25:25 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones you're right, they;re cute.

20:25:35 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wanna do an ama ?

20:25:38 ThickAsThieves: ha!

20:25:48 mircea_popescu: "I own BitBet, the site with the thousands of Bitcoins in bets. Ask me anything"

20:25:59 ThickAsThieves: Antything except that

20:26:00 mircea_popescu: see if you can not get banned for like half a day

20:26:00 los_pantalones: don't you do that all day ?

20:26:01 ThickAsThieves: and that

20:26:10 asciilifeform: in all fairness, equal chunks from different addies would be perfectly mundane evidence of coldwallets uncorked for the occasion.

20:26:19 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones me ? nah.

20:26:24 los_pantalones: what is this ?

20:26:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one possibility yes. in fact, it's trivial to try and find a blockchain link to where the btc was before.

20:26:51 mircea_popescu: generally a paper wallet is stationary.

20:26:59 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones well yes but the medium is the derpage.

20:27:35 mircea_popescu: "And sending 1000 BTC and waiting 5 months for the result when sites like this closing every day without notice is beyond stupid."

20:27:40 mircea_popescu: herp. "sites like this". lol.

20:28:00 ThickAsThieves: "I bet this was the whale's plan the whole time."

20:28:02 ThickAsThieves: wtf

20:28:13 mike_c: TaT.. fess up. this is your short.

20:28:13 mircea_popescu: who's private booty ?

20:28:17 los_pantalones: 'site like this' def my fave part

20:28:21 ThickAsThieves: cavemen must have invented religion on like day 1

20:28:37 xanthyos: my new 72-year-old psychiatrist has not heard about bitcoin. it's not mainstream yet. growth is still possible.

20:28:50 mircea_popescu: xanthyos what the fuck are you doing with a 72yo psych

20:28:53 ThickAsThieves: mike_c i'm like 50% less short than i was last week!

20:28:58 xanthyos: same guy i saw 20 years ago

20:29:02 mike_c: only 1k btc short now ;)

20:29:05 mircea_popescu: xanthyos wow.

20:29:18 ThickAsThieves: so wow

20:29:18 mircea_popescu: you paid some guy 100 bux twice a week for 20 years, and he's not even sucking you off ?

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20:29:28 BingoBoingo: !b 1

20:29:30 ThickAsThieves: haha

20:29:31 xanthyos: haven't seen him since 1995

20:29:33 mircea_popescu: come to argentina, much better deals here.

20:29:37 xanthyos: insurance pays.

20:29:42 mike_c: buckle up. tomorrow when warren says it was his bet, btcusd will explode.

20:29:55 mircea_popescu: why would it ?

20:30:06 mike_c: publicity!

20:30:14 mike_c: explode upwards.

20:30:25 mircea_popescu: "[?]mementori 1 point 29 minutes ago

20:30:25 mircea_popescu: can confirm - made an awesome bet on betsofbitco.in well over a year before the conclusion (had previously been paid out by them) - when it came time to pay up, the site stopped closing bets and then eventually just shut down. I bet .1btc when btc was ~$70 and I would of won around .5btc when btc was ~$800"

20:30:34 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/09/sinquefield_cup_one_of_the_most_amazing_feats_in_chess_history_just_happened.html

20:30:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:30:34 assbot: Sinquefield Cup: One of the most amazing feats in chess history just happened, and no one noticed.

20:30:36 mircea_popescu: yeah, basically, idiocy spreads through exactly this mechanism.

20:31:05 los_pantalones: awesome bet!

20:33:19 mircea_popescu: lol cameron and john major. and tony blair. "please don't break out heart"

20:33:24 mircea_popescu: YOU BROKE IT asshats.

20:37:40 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

20:37:41 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 415.04, Best ask: 416.82, Bid-ask spread: 1.78000, Last trade: 416.85, 24 hour volume: 18332.47850390, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 432.816883003

20:40:29 ThickAsThieves: Buterin Waterfall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp0Q3UJHrkU

20:40:29 assbot: English news report with the cat lady that owns 130 cats - YouTube

20:41:13 cazalla: imagine the smell

20:44:02 ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/RudyHavenstein/status/512695876825784321

20:44:05 assbot: Queen Elizabeth II, shown here visiting a Scottish Polling Station. http://t.co/1WT6SPLmeQ

20:46:32 mircea_popescu: The Gas Price Spike Act, H.R. 3784, would apply a windfall tax on the sale of oil and gas that ranges from 50 percent to 100 percent on all surplus earnings exceeding "a reasonable profit." It would set up a Reasonable Profits Board made up of three presidential nominees that will serve three-year terms. Unlike other bills setting up advisory boards, the Reasonable Profits Board would not be made up of any nominees fro

20:46:32 mircea_popescu: m Congress.

20:46:32 mircea_popescu: The bill would also seem to exclude industry representatives from the board, as it says members "shall have no financial interests in any of the businesses for which reasonable profits are determined by the Board."

20:46:49 mircea_popescu: nobody elected and no businessman allowed.

20:47:02 mircea_popescu: the country has to be run by what exactly, lefty social media experts ?

20:56:07 The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: they've talkd about that quite a bit

20:56:26 The20YearIRCloud: And the oil industry has pathetic margins, apple is the king of margins on $1b+ companies

20:57:20 mircea_popescu: actually washington is the king of margins. al gore makes a trillion % on his "trade carbon" mafia scam.

20:57:31 The20YearIRCloud: Yep

20:57:32 mircea_popescu: easy to make huge margins with no actual costs.

20:57:43 The20YearIRCloud: and even more aggrivating is the mindless fools that support those policies

20:58:03 mircea_popescu: eh, the common man will support anything, who cares.

20:58:16 mircea_popescu: better reasons to be aggrieved. like the fact that there's no low cpu replacement for sine.

20:58:21 mircea_popescu: fucking tables.

20:58:30 The20YearIRCloud: One of the guys that always supports crap like that whom I talk to once in a while works for apple

20:58:44 The20YearIRCloud: Always funny him defending their 20%+ margin yet slamming walmart for their 5.6% and exxon's 8%

20:59:13 kakobrekla: 20? did ya forget a zero there?

20:59:23 mircea_popescu: yeah, apple, the world's most successful dropshipper.

20:59:28 mircea_popescu: they really should be on ebay.

20:59:33 mircea_popescu: AAA+++pple.

21:00:05 The20YearIRCloud: Last time i checked it was a 20% net operating margin

21:00:25 The20YearIRCloud: 21.3% in q2 2013

21:00:30 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they got a lotta useless employees you see.

21:00:53 jurov: mircea_popescu: you can use 11 point polynomial, if you insist http://krisgarrett.net/papers/l2approx.pdf

21:01:26 mircea_popescu: is that 10 arbitrary power operations ?

21:01:41 mircea_popescu: i want something with like 3 additions and a division.

21:03:11 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

21:03:12 jurov: or lol, if the platform has good rng, do monte carlo

21:03:13 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 416.0, Best ask: 417.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 417.98, 24 hour volume: 18805.13675508, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 432.20570792

21:03:22 thestringpuller: awww

21:03:28 thestringpuller: i was hoping to see cheaper coins

21:03:35 mircea_popescu: how much cheaper lol

21:03:53 mircea_popescu: 410 is cheaper than 490, which is cheaper thjan the 500s it was which is cheaper than 700 etc

21:04:23 thestringpuller: like 10 dollar coins

21:04:27 thestringpuller: I miss 2012

21:04:51 mircea_popescu: lmao

21:05:08 mircea_popescu: miss scarlet, you've had a child now, and you ain't never gonna be 17 and a half again

21:05:11 mircea_popescu: not no mo'.

21:08:13 thestringpuller: !b9

21:08:17 assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1KXZ3RA.txt )

21:08:17 thestringpuller: !b 9

21:09:44 BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/techies-are-now-panhandling-for-funding-1636402378/+laceydonohue

21:09:44 assbot: Techies Are Now Panhandling For Funding

21:11:09 mircea_popescu: it's not panhandling, it's being creative and changing the world revolutionizing,.

21:12:35 BingoBoingo: lol

21:13:46 mircea_popescu: really ycombinator's celebration of the uber scammors sordid approach is the moment there.

21:13:53 mircea_popescu: everything after that's just immitation.

21:14:04 thestringpuller: i thought that was facebook...

21:16:58 mircea_popescu: "When forces that are hostile to socialism try to turn the development of some socialist country towards capitalism, it becomes not only a problem of the country concerned, but a common problem and concern of all socialist countries."

21:17:18 mircea_popescu: the brejnev doctrine survived both brejnev and the soviet union! give the guy obama's nobel prize i say.

21:20:14 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

21:20:16 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 433.66, Best ask: 433.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 431.2, 24 hour volume: 19974.69850384, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 431.818620067

21:20:23 mircea_popescu: well that was exciting.

21:20:39 los_pantalones: long puts

21:20:41 los_pantalones: =

21:20:44 los_pantalones: suck ass

21:20:56 mike_c: long puts = short difficulty

21:21:03 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

21:21:06 gribble: Current Blocks: 321405 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1154 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35364022510.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.55293

21:21:35 mircea_popescu: seriously, the sort of imbecile that came up with this plan to push btc downwards on pure spin, while the diff is up bitbet is pointing the other way...

21:22:08 mircea_popescu: think more, desk people. hire BingoBoingo. do something, on your own you're worthless.

21:22:43 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/050WY6P.txt )

21:22:43 BingoBoingo: !b 2

21:23:45 BingoBoingo: %t

21:23:48 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A

21:23:57 BingoBoingo: %ob

21:23:58 atcbot: 45k@282 8k@260 2k@245 | 80k@198 6k@194 12k@190

21:24:11 BingoBoingo: %v

21:24:12 atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 221 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 181

21:24:54 BingoBoingo: %d

21:24:55 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 300997.11 in 1009 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.97

21:25:08 ThickAsThieves: maybe one day i'll be employable

21:25:33 ThickAsThieves: til then, blowstamps!

21:26:08 mircea_popescu: gotta build it.

21:26:23 mircea_popescu: you don't become employable by aging, you're not wine.

21:26:37 ThickAsThieves: was kinda joking

21:26:58 ThickAsThieves: i'm employable, just not by you

21:27:28 ThickAsThieves: nor do i really want to be employed

21:27:41 ThickAsThieves: in the literal sense at least

21:27:56 Duffer1: scotland polls closed, counting time

21:29:26 ThickAsThieves: rather, in the contemporary sense

21:29:26 mircea_popescu: well sure but one never know what kids be reading, get the wrong idea.

21:29:31 ThickAsThieves: indeed

21:43:57 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu

21:43:58 los_pantalones: https://www.fairlay.com/predict/registered/new/will-bitbet-us-berkshire-resolve-to-yes/

21:43:58 assbot: Place prediction on: Will Bitbet.us Berkshire bet resolve to YES

21:43:58 los_pantalones: bet on the bet

21:43:58 los_pantalones: on the bet

21:44:22 nubbins`: heh

21:44:41 BingoBoingo: Best Marketing Evar!!!

21:45:26 los_pantalones: or is this blatant theft of contract specs ?

21:45:55 BingoBoingo: http://mentalfloss.com/article/58829/good-honest-football-re-watching-xfl

21:45:56 assbot: Good, Honest Football: Re-Watching the XFL | Mental Floss

21:46:31 BingoBoingo: los_pantalones: No, great Marketing on BitBet that its competitors have to make bets on BitBet bets

21:51:21 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

21:51:23 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 427.93, Best ask: 428.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 428.0, 24 hour volume: 21423.75818318, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 431.700539902

21:53:30 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

21:53:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 428.5, vol: 21444.53124745 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 414.747, vol: 13295.37209 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.62, vol: 37599.14920367 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 426.956013, vol: 30340.54810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 503.18147, vol: 18.12199892 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 430.036238742, vol: 167.41885582 | Volume-weighted last average: 427.423087606

22:00:31 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones lol k

22:00:53 mircea_popescu: i suppose its sensible, bitbet is a good signal source.

22:01:02 mircea_popescu: better than the usg at any rate/

22:02:08 mircea_popescu: <los_pantalones> or is this blatant theft of contract specs ? << nah, bitbet is designed/intended as a backstop for an infinity of independent repackagers/customer oriented bookies and assorted venues.

22:02:38 mircea_popescu: let people serve their own customers as best they can, and let them have a liquid and powerful marketplace where to unload unwanted risk.

22:02:42 mircea_popescu: it's a winning model.

22:03:06 mircea_popescu: also completely winds kakobrekla's gui arguments, but this time from the right direction :))

22:07:06 los_pantalones: welp, tempus fuck it, i'm out of here

22:07:08 los_pantalones: night boys

22:07:50 *: asciilifeform wonders why folks always say they'd like to be 'employable' rather than 'fed and sheltered'

22:08:05 mircea_popescu: there's a difference between being loved and being useful.

22:08:42 asciilifeform: the common rat, mouse, is neither loved nor useful, fed & sheltered still.

22:08:58 mircea_popescu: no, the mouse feeds itself.

22:09:11 asciilifeform: from your kitchen, yes.

22:09:17 mircea_popescu: "your"

22:09:23 mircea_popescu: apparently it wasn't as your as all that.

22:09:27 asciilifeform: right.

22:09:43 mircea_popescu: might of mouse makes right.

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22:09:53 asciilifeform: !b 6

22:10:12 thestringpuller: look at mp and asciilifeform droppin' dat wisdom shit up in here

22:11:45 mircea_popescu: "This event was created to demonstrate the different betting systems. We believe strongly in the superiority of our betting system and expect the the odds for both outcomes to be significantly better on our site."

22:11:49 mircea_popescu: wtf must one be smoking lol

22:12:35 asciilifeform: speaking of whizzdum - recently read about 'luer's connector' and discovered that some of today's medicine men are campaigning to have it abolished. because dumbshit orderlies can't be trusted not to plug an x hose into a y port (e.g., x == blood 'in' and y == piss 'out')

22:13:22 asciilifeform: so homo americanus answers, gotta have 11111enty different plugs, one for each bodily secretion, medical concoction, and direction of desired flow

22:14:02 asciilifeform: stimulate economy !11!

22:14:38 mircea_popescu: this is how gasoline works.

22:14:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, petrol vs diesel, yes

22:14:58 mircea_popescu: it has actually happened to me once that dumbass gas station kid put diesel in gasoline v8 engine

22:15:10 mircea_popescu: at a time that was rare and expensive.

22:15:36 mircea_popescu: i also know first hand of a case where sleepy truck driver put gasoline in his truck. figured it out after ~200 liters in. had to suck it back out

22:15:40 mircea_popescu: took a day.

22:16:51 asciilifeform: afaik you can still do that with the american nozzles

22:18:07 mircea_popescu: in europe it's mostly impossible to fit them x-way

22:25:07 ThickAsThieves: "We believe strongly in the superiority of our betting system and expect the the odds for both outcomes to be significantly better on our site. " i cant even think of what that might mean

22:25:26 ThickAsThieves: that theyll get 2000btc+?

22:25:47 mircea_popescu: i have nfi.

22:26:32 mircea_popescu: maybe they figure starting over at weight 100k is somehow going to overrule starting over at 0 pool.

22:27:54 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: line operators must be protected from themselves, too, lest the company be held liable for their idiocy. "actuation button A 2.5 ft to the right of press, B 2.5 to the left, press does not fire unless both actuation buttons are pressed together"

22:28:14 ben_vulpes: i always enjoyed imagining the creative ways people might try to circumvent my anti-idiot devices.

22:28:20 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i was just about to say.

22:28:26 ben_vulpes: probably the only enjoyable part of that job.

22:28:34 ben_vulpes: now i've given up on jobs being enjoyable.

22:28:35 asciilifeform: typically at the end of the day there's a crowbar strategically holding down both...

22:28:47 ben_vulpes: gotta release the press eventually.

22:29:12 asciilifeform: also,

22:29:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2014#785329

22:29:13 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2014 04:57:13; asciilifeform: in oil prospecting, salvage diving, etc. there is a concept where safety measures that the crew will not follow because they 'seen ridiculous' - are useless

22:29:25 asciilifeform: ^ originally described in one of naggum's pieces

22:33:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it usually comes down to duct tape

22:41:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1304 @ 0.00071999 = 0.9389 BTC [+]

22:43:44 TheNewDeal: ;;ticker

22:43:46 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 419.08, Best ask: 420.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 419.08, 24 hour volume: 22116.05561929, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 430.465775042

22:52:10 mircea_popescu: http://xkcd.com/217/

22:52:10 assbot: xkcd: e to the pi Minus pi

22:52:17 mircea_popescu: old xkcd's are much better.

23:03:32 TheNewDeal: ;;calc e^pi-pi

23:03:32 gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

23:03:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://xkcd.com/227/ here's one for you.

23:03:44 assbot: xkcd: Color Codes

23:03:53 mircea_popescu: ;;calc e**pi-pi

23:03:53 gribble: 19.9990999792

23:06:47 asciilifeform: ahah

23:06:54 asciilifeform: yeah i remember that one..

23:07:27 asciilifeform: goes great with lawrence oates and his 'I am just going outside and may be some time.'

23:07:29 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/no-apple-probably-didnt-get-new-secret-govt-orders-to-hand-over-data/ << Apple's warrant canary disappears, No Big Deal is the report

23:07:29 assbot: No, Apple probably didnt get new secret govt orders to hand over data | Ars Technica

23:07:55 mircea_popescu: uh

23:08:05 mircea_popescu: im behind. what canary ?

23:08:09 bounce: the canary got NSLed

23:09:13 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You know the notice that says you haven't been issued a warrant, that disappears when you have. Apple's diappeared.

23:09:30 mircea_popescu: i didn't know there was a notice

23:09:33 mircea_popescu: where is this notice ?

23:10:28 BingoBoingo: Here's a sample one. http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt I've never seen apple's but Ars is reporting it disappeared

23:11:11 mircea_popescu: "While Apple won't confirm it, the company has removed its warrant canary from its latest transparency report, issued this week. While this could mean that the company has received a new secret government order to provide user data, there is still another more likely possibility: it's not publishing warrant canaries at all."

23:11:20 mircea_popescu: more probable on the basis of what the fuck exactly ?

23:12:45 mircea_popescu: jesus that country's gotten more byzantine

23:13:01 mircea_popescu: this is some prime soviet rib

23:14:04 BingoBoingo: It really is.

23:14:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prime soviet rib << the whole 'canary' thing is just the last remnants of 'rule of law' going down the drain, gurgling - like the fabled 'last shit made with home food' of a prisoner

23:15:05 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KTW0J7.txt )

23:15:05 BingoBoingo: !b 1

23:15:43 mircea_popescu: i had somehow completely missed this particular spot

23:16:01 mircea_popescu: likely because mah people been trying to keep me from armflailing fits

23:18:48 BingoBoingo: lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/ckm4omt

23:18:49 assbot: apoefjmqdsfls comments on Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us

23:20:28 BingoBoingo: Oh wikipedia has a recycling bin http://wikibin.org/articles/mircea-popescu.html

23:20:29 assbot: Mircea Popescu

23:21:50 []bot: Bet created: "Cat 1 or Greater Hurricane to Strike Eastern Seaboard" http://bitbet.us/bet/1045/

23:27:26 chetty: <mircea_popescu> likely because mah people been trying to keep me from armflailing fits// that will be the day

23:27:38 mircea_popescu: lol

23:30:54 TheNewDeal: yes pays 1.46... dayam

23:31:44 ThickAsThieves: Bet created: "Cat 1 or Greater Hurricane to Strike Eastern Seaboard" /// noooooooooo

23:32:09 ThickAsThieves: bitbet hurricane insurance open for business!

23:32:40 TheNewDeal: hahaha. maybe nfl injury is next

23:32:54 ThickAsThieves: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3470#comic

23:32:55 assbot: Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal

23:34:07 kakobrekla: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/ckm6d3x

23:34:08 assbot: TeamFairlay comments on Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us

23:34:12 kakobrekla: so eager.

23:34:25 kakobrekla: first fairlay, then moose responds...

23:34:26 TheNewDeal: and then betmoose follows

23:34:28 TheNewDeal: hahah

23:35:01 TheNewDeal: funny because people were just talking about scamsites that disappear over night, e.g. bitco.in

23:35:31 TheNewDeal: " placed a small bet on No early on, due to the weight. I believe the bet will resolve as Yes, but the payout on No was great at the time.

23:35:31 TheNewDeal: I bet this was the whale's plan the whole time."

23:38:03 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla will end up with them killing each other over who's the real true inheritor of bitbet

23:38:03 ThickAsThieves: so many posts in that reddit start with 'i dont have a clue wtf i'm talmbout, but..."

23:38:10 mircea_popescu: "but I'm on reddit, so" ?

23:38:32 ThickAsThieves: "but i'm hoping you'll think so anyway"

23:39:08 mircea_popescu: that smbc comic is basically bitbet bet process.

23:40:02 TheNewDeal: some bets do need lots of clarification, almost immediately

23:40:07 asciilifeform: in the style of mircea_popescu's 'cryptogram' puzzlers:

23:40:07 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/0n41XZQ

23:40:07 assbot: Kriptogram! - Imgur

23:40:46 ThickAsThieves: teamfairlay = we are awesomer because you can bet however you want, with 100s of satoshis on the line!

23:40:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one word ?

23:40:51 asciilifeform: only hint - pertains to something actually discussed today.

23:40:57 asciilifeform: two words.

23:41:30 kakobrekla: not a waterfall ?

23:41:35 mircea_popescu: eaglecanaris lol

23:41:37 asciilifeform: nope.

23:42:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu nearly ruined it

23:42:24 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/cointerra-16nm-shiva-asic/

23:42:25 mircea_popescu: IM TRYING TO SOLVE IT!

23:42:33 TheNewDeal: united nazis

23:42:43 mircea_popescu: nah it has to do with apple

23:42:46 mircea_popescu: american canaries ?

23:43:03 asciilifeform: perhaps BingoBoingo can solve it now

23:43:09 ThickAsThieves: veblen canary?

23:43:12 mircea_popescu: seal canaries ?

23:43:35 kakobrekla: the flags looks like waterfall to me.

23:43:43 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's a waterscam

23:44:15 ThickAsThieves: motherland canaries

23:44:40 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/VJqmxJW3 << answer rot13'd

23:44:40 assbot: jneenag pnanevrf - Pastebin.com

23:44:45 asciilifeform: damn

23:45:17 ThickAsThieves: neato

23:45:17 BingoBoingo: lol

23:45:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol now you know how i felt.

23:45:43 mircea_popescu: for about a year running, 100 or so of these

23:45:48 mircea_popescu: people solved them in ~1 hour.

23:45:55 mircea_popescu: took me days to come up with them

23:46:24 asciilifeform: this one sorta forced itself into my skullcase

23:46:30 mircea_popescu: yup same thing.

23:48:51 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/man-in-standoff-with-texas-police-is-sending-live-updat-1636550134

23:48:52 assbot: Man in Standoff With Texas Police Is Sending Live Updates From Whisper

23:49:05 mircea_popescu: best thing that could ever happen for whisper.

23:49:12 mircea_popescu: i wonder how long before they start paying people to do this

23:50:10 mircea_popescu: "Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?"

23:50:13 asciilifeform: laugh if you like, but this sod did not sign with key known to be his...

23:50:15 mircea_popescu: heh. bad government can ruin anything.

23:50:24 asciilifeform: so he's really an extra in this film.

23:51:28 mircea_popescu: wtf is kinja

23:51:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ""We have confirmation from the interior of the vehicle that this is indeed the guy in the standoff," Slade Sohmer"

23:51:37 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's Nick Denton's Facebook knockoff, except super scam

23:51:40 mircea_popescu: i guess the vehicle is spying on him

23:52:40 kakobrekla: ok ok i got it: american waterfall watering nazi zombies!

23:52:46 kakobrekla: yes?

23:53:11 BingoBoingo: Waterboard Canary

23:55:41 asciilifeform: http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/01/20/scotland-leaves-what-happens-flag/ny0XThnF8rUdPk5UlDUXkI/story.html

23:55:42 assbot: If Scotland leaves, what happens to UK’s flag? - Ideas - The Boston Globe

23:56:04 mircea_popescu: why no country has a naked woman for a flag ?

23:56:19 asciilifeform: someone - has to be first.

23:56:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/further-argentine-weird/

23:56:47 mircea_popescu: i can totally see making stoya the flag of england.

23:58:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's not a museum; it's a typical medieval-style reliquary.

23:58:55 asciilifeform: 'sh4rds of th3 tru3 cr0ss'

23:59:13 mircea_popescu: lol

23:59:41 asciilifeform: typical of both roman & greek church folks, oddly enough.