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00:26:07 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277431 <<< it's an acronym so please to pronounce it Q N T R A

00:26:07 assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 03:05:37; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mentally I pronounce it Cunt-Raw

00:27:28 gernika: My preferred mental pronunciation is "contra"

00:27:59 BingoBoingo: cazalla: What did the acronym stand for again?

00:28:12 cazalla: BingoBoingo, Quarrelsome Niggaz Trollin' Reddit Always

00:28:24 BingoBoingo: Ah, damn my memory

00:54:20 BingoBoingo: 24 Hours after the submission Qntra has made the front page of slashdot for the I forget whicheth time http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/09/17/2215209/bitcoin-trader-agrees-to-work-for-police-in-plea-agreement

00:54:22 assbot: Bitcoin Trader Agrees To Work For Police In Plea Agreement - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1il1UZ7 )

00:56:19 BingoBoingo: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8027571&cid=50545833

00:56:20 assbot: Bitcoin Trader Agrees To Work For Police In Plea Agreement - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1il2c2j )

00:57:02 cazalla: does anyone read slashdot these days?

00:59:23 BingoBoingo: I still do. Not as many people seem to read it as when MP saved BSDM, but it gets reads by virtue of not being as bad as other places you can find stories missed elsewhere

01:08:16 BingoBoingo: I as so fucking happy I won the Rand Paul bet

01:09:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16459 @ 0.00076274 = 12.5539 BTC [+]

01:11:23 cazalla: your shout!

01:16:09 mircea_popescu: wow wd.

01:17:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, they added another link in front of ours, but at least this time they didn't replace it with a derpier venue

01:17:39 mircea_popescu: i meant re the bet lol.

01:17:42 mircea_popescu: wasn't it 10:1 ?

01:17:52 mircea_popescu: da fuck i care about slashdot.

01:19:15 BingoBoingo: Ah, it was more than 10:1

01:19:29 BingoBoingo: And then the bet clsoed and they announced the debate would have an extra hour

01:19:48 BingoBoingo: But he spoke at a rate that still would have given him a win

01:20:25 mircea_popescu: pretty impressive call.

01:21:10 BingoBoingo: They put out 5 BTC and only the BitBet bet had matched it. s.qntr was way up so I figured I'd price their 5 BTC

01:21:39 BingoBoingo: Then someone later threw up a smaller million satoshi bet, which also did well.

01:23:02 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/09/pascal-reid-pleads-guilty-promises-to-service-usg-law-enforcement/#comment-58331

01:23:03 assbot: Pascal Reid Pleads Guilty Promising to Service USG "Law Enforcement" – Full Draft Plea Text | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1il5ZwB )

01:38:25 mircea_popescu: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34162353/ the lolz of seasons past...

01:38:27 assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yi3yvB )

01:40:27 BingoBoingo: Fucking Hearnia. How has that crowd gone on so long without consulting a surgeon to repair their pelvic floor?

01:42:12 mircea_popescu: oh you don't understand, "Gavin has support from the companies and has talked to economists".

01:42:14 mircea_popescu: fucktards.

01:42:44 BingoBoingo: No-No-No Gavin isn't Hearnia, he is fistula

01:42:51 BingoBoingo: Like Venezuela

01:43:34 mircea_popescu: mike_hearnMike Hearn - Bitcoin Expert 2 points 3 months ago - It's nobodies "fault" - there is no such thing as a programmer who never writes buggy code.

01:43:36 mircea_popescu: herp.

01:43:56 mircea_popescu: we just lie and steal and you know, it's nobody's fault, not like there exist things that work or people who aren't shitheads just like us. har har.

01:45:44 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

01:45:47 gribble: Current Blocks: 375011 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1980 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 18 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

01:46:24 BingoBoingo: mega lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lcbgd/speaker_lineup_for_devcore_workshop_draper/cv58rvg

01:46:25 assbot: super3 comments on Speaker lineup for DevCore Workshop @ Draper: Andreas M. Antonopolous, Greg Maxwell, Gavin Andresen, Matt Coralo, Jeff Garzik, Michael Perklin & Charlie Lee ... ( http://bit.ly/1il8S0u )

01:47:28 mircea_popescu: people need to learn to stop associated with scammers.

01:48:06 BingoBoingo: Seriously

01:50:35 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hdbuck what is your primary language?

01:50:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:53:14 BingoBoingo: Typical WaPo reader: "My wife doesn?t have a strong sex drive. I have always found sex to be awkward. I have a bit of a mental block?although I understand it on a biological level, I still don?t like the idea of sticking my body part inside another body." >> http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2015/09/dear_prudence_my_friend_s_wife_stays_home_and_berates_him_while_he_works.html

01:53:15 assbot: Dear Prudence: My friend’s wife stays home and berates him while he works two jobs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yi5Zy9 )

01:56:28 mircea_popescu: hahaah

01:56:49 mircea_popescu: needs some "refugees".

01:57:33 BingoBoingo: Seriously. Or maybe needs to refugee to Tanzania

01:57:53 BingoBoingo: The more I read the more seriously awesome Tanzania sounds

01:58:28 mircea_popescu: rly ?

01:59:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. Potential Border skirmishes with Rwanda means a legit reason to hoard recreational firepower for weekend entertainment. Also asoundingly low HIV rates for its geography.

02:05:13 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1XKCNGF.txt

02:05:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ilb9IV )

02:05:14 deedbot-: accepted: 1

02:05:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.53796614 BTC to 10`000`000 shares, 15 satoshi per share

02:05:33 mircea_popescu: rwanda is that unique place on earth that banned plastic bags

02:05:57 mircea_popescu: well, other than being a total famished shithole / ex genocide site ec.

02:06:18 BingoBoingo: But Rwanda has too much aids, and plastic bags are a net positive for society. The things seriously break down fast.

02:07:14 mircea_popescu: notrly. all the places where the beoble abound, you mostly find the trees covered in them.

02:08:27 BingoBoingo: Ah, they get littered to fast there. Here they break down faster than most paper.

02:12:17 cazalla: dayum, was gonna say one for BingoBoingo but i think one of me instead http://i.imgur.com/smOdXoy.jpg

02:12:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ilc4ZR )

02:13:10 cazalla: stop resisting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3&v=-Dk6bXdBdVs

02:13:11 assbot: Cop hits kid with baton at Stockton RTD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ilcbVf )

02:13:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 265.96738432 BTC to 1`000`000`000 shares, 26 satoshi per share

02:13:38 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/19W56G9.txt

02:13:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ilcf7A )

02:13:40 deedbot-: accepted: 1

02:13:58 mircea_popescu: she's pretty.

02:14:23 cazalla: for me, not of me.. obvious typo

02:15:26 mircea_popescu: cazalla in drag & blackface. hm.

02:16:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00075341 = 25.9926 BTC [-] {3}

02:16:43 BingoBoingo: <cazalla> dayum, was gonna say one for BingoBoingo but i think one of me instead http://i.imgur.com/smOdXoy.jpg << Oh Lordie

02:16:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ilc4ZR )

02:17:36 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cazalla in drag & blackface. hm. << Looks like a pure Cassava fed African Woman

02:19:41 BingoBoingo: You know, BitBet doesn't seem to be doing poorly on the Rand Paul bet either https://bitbet.us/bet/1197/rand-paul-will-get-less-than-7-minutes/#b2

02:19:41 assbot: BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 3 days 2 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yia1GT )

02:20:21 mircea_popescu: lol

02:20:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27226 @ 0.00075296 = 20.5001 BTC [-] {2}

02:20:55 BingoBoingo: And if any BitBettors are intersted Made this the same day as my first Rand bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b4

02:20:56 assbot: BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.2 B (12%) on Yes, 1.41 B (88%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 weeks | weight: 94`846 (100`000 to 25`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yiah8L )

02:21:26 mircea_popescu: in other news, hanbot in leather goods store. saleswoman decides to upsell her on leather belt. the innermost hole's about a mile too tight. saleswoman proceeds to turn store upside down out of saleswomany ambition. eventually finds one flimsy belth apparently intended for schoolgirls, that on the tightest setting is you know, sorta sitting there unobviously loose.

02:21:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8738 @ 0.00075289 = 6.5788 BTC [-]

02:21:39 mircea_popescu: moral being that a great ass is wasted without a wasp waist.

02:21:59 mircea_popescu: a mile too wide* i mean.

02:23:12 BingoBoingo: lol

02:23:13 BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/17/bcc324bcf6b7aa63e1d5b01fef99dacc.jpg

02:23:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yiaxoh )

02:24:00 mircea_popescu: the nerve.

02:25:07 BingoBoingo: The moral of the story is that waist is a primary measure of health among women in the same way percentage completion to FUDA is a primary measure of health among men

02:27:14 mircea_popescu: actually it is isn't it.

02:27:23 cazalla: did you coin that meme BingoBoingo because i never heard of a fuda until today

02:27:54 mircea_popescu: and from the "best fake name ever" department, http://fraudsters.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#comment-115375

02:27:55 assbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ile8kG )

02:28:38 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Originally idiots used it to refer to male FUPA (Fat Upper Pubic Area) which isn't gendered. So I created a better meaning for FUDA: Fat Usurping Dick Apex

02:29:01 BingoBoingo: Or area, Apex is prolly better

02:29:21 cazalla: for some reason i always assumed fupa was gender specific despite knowing what it meant

02:32:16 BingoBoingo: Equalitit

02:36:28 mircea_popescu: so women exist whose pubic bone can not be palpated do they ?!

02:38:02 BingoBoingo: Unfortunately

02:38:49 mircea_popescu: im telling you, 3rd gender.

02:38:58 BingoBoingo: "Women" also exist who can not get actual vaginal penetration without 24 inch dicks

02:38:59 mircea_popescu: he, she, and sf.

02:39:12 mircea_popescu: or i guess s-f

02:39:46 *: mircea_popescu is tempted to start using the subhuman pronoun.

02:40:17 BingoBoingo: WHich new pronoun is the subhuman one?

02:42:55 mircea_popescu: well the gender being stupid-fat...

02:43:25 BingoBoingo: Needs a vowel maybe.

02:45:40 mircea_popescu: nah, vowels have too many calories.

02:47:18 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/p2I1EeS.jpg

02:47:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YidEwF )

02:47:52 BingoBoingo: Eh, what ABout Zi-Zir or some other new age shit.

02:50:25 mircea_popescu: mno, the problem with dating sites is that unless you intend to meet a dog, you're in the wrong place.

02:50:49 mircea_popescu: "met on the internet" !!!!= "met on dating site".

02:51:33 mircea_popescu: dating site is basically where people who don't meet go. much like reddit is where people who don't read go.

02:51:37 mircea_popescu: should be writtit srsly.

02:51:50 BingoBoingo: Oh, no there are fun opportunities that pop up on dating sites like the recently out of a long term relationship and cute girls with borderline personality disorder. THe holy grail to hunt for is the overlap

02:56:26 cazalla: so where is the dating site that removes fat shaming body type descriptions in place of all women are beautiful regardless of size

02:59:55 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278234 << Hell

02:59:55 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 02:56:26; cazalla: so where is the dating site that removes fat shaming body type descriptions in place of all women are beautiful regardless of size

03:53:43 cazalla: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-artist-kuno-goda-migrates-ethereum-1520072

03:53:44 assbot: Bitcoin artist Kuno Goda migrates to Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQV1EE )

03:53:48 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

03:53:54 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 233.66, vol: 16623.89896827 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.966, vol: 7341.19419 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.86, vol: 11929.06108828 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 242.8, vol: 5.94194598 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 235.229364, vol: 15965.46670000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 233.94841, vol: 46.38149774 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 234.68482, vol: 115.92835111 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

03:53:56 BingoBoingo: ;;more

03:53:56 gribble: average: 233.951996369

03:55:24 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Wait, screen prints of Game of Life creatures are marketable?

03:55:32 cazalla: apparently so

03:58:45 BingoBoingo: Fuck I was on the wrong path doing oild painting of Kim Jung Il on a train getting slaughtered by a heart

03:59:20 pete_dushenski: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/social-sciences-and-humanities-faculties-close-japan-after-ministerial-decree << goooOooo social sciences!

03:59:21 assbot: | Times Higher Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1OiyTL9 )

04:00:19 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278231 << or dating site called 'meatit'

04:00:19 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:33; mircea_popescu: dating site is basically where people who don't meet go. much like reddit is where people who don't read go.

04:01:19 pete_dushenski: http://41.media.tumblr.com/d99fe775590fab0566e409f30ceb13f7/tumblr_nt7hopAYVY1s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg << moar rights plox

04:01:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oiz7Cc )

04:01:59 pete_dushenski: https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11057795_10153322953343375_2884236966562120575_o.png << taleb on gmo. fact vs. fiction. a list.

04:02:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OizcG1 )

04:02:09 cazalla: pete_dushenski, tis a fake http://i.imgur.com/EqOzRGy.jpg or maybe original? or maybe not!

04:02:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OizcWu )

04:02:27 pete_dushenski: yours is fake

04:02:34 pete_dushenski: fakest

04:05:03 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278126 << very nicely done

04:05:03 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 01:08:16; BingoBoingo: I as so fucking happy I won the Rand Paul bet

04:05:05 cazalla: prob both are

04:05:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00075109 = 10.2148 BTC [-] {3}

04:06:21 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278196 << doesn't look like this'll pay out quite as richly, but then again, what could ?

04:06:21 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 02:20:55; BingoBoingo: And if any BitBettors are intersted Made this the same day as my first Rand bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b4

04:06:46 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Depends on how the season goes, that one has a lot more time

04:07:45 pete_dushenski: yes, that 0.17 btc will cost you an exponentially greater time investment, watching it day-to-day

04:08:03 pete_dushenski: wondering, dreaming, scheming what you might do with your proceeds

04:08:18 pete_dushenski: eg. more mac mini nodes

04:10:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00075279 = 27.3263 BTC [+] {2}

04:16:22 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Seriously. Just gotta wait for next month hoping a new generation gets announced

04:17:41 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Mac mini node and more CPU on desk are both priorities on hold waiting for newsies

04:20:56 BingoBoingo: Oh lo Havelol [HAVELOCK] [7C] 148 @ 0.00046664 = 0.0691 BTC [-] {2}

04:26:17 *: BingoBoingo looking at pete_dushenski's engine swap suggestions wonders what Saddam and co will look like in a decade

04:28:14 pete_dushenski: haha maybe an m156 wedges its way in there

04:29:02 pete_dushenski: http://ca.complex.com/sports/2013/12/mercedes-m156-v8-eulogy << written by kid whose writing career i launched

04:29:03 assbot: A Eulogy for One of the Best V8s of All Time, the Mercedes-Benz M156 | Complex CA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iltfKR )

04:30:44 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

04:30:45 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.34, Best ask: 234.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 234.45, 24 hour volume: 11789.83147797, 24 hour low: 229.04, 24 hour high: 236.26, 24 hour vwap: None

04:41:56 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I imagine you to be the sort of crazy jew to replace an 8 with a pair of sixes

04:44:10 pete_dushenski: the sort ? fuck, if such a jew were an entire sort unto itself, israel would have the entire middle east under its crazy inventive thumb instead of playing d-fence six ways to sunday

04:44:55 pete_dushenski: there's like 100 ppl on the planet who would even dream of dual-engined set-ups

04:45:27 pete_dushenski: and it's not clear to me that they fall into categories other than 'kaczynski'

04:46:17 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Tractor Pull is a sport. Imagine showing up with a Porsche that had two straight sixes inline

04:46:44 pete_dushenski: one in usual spot, one in 'frunk' ?

04:46:56 BingoBoingo: Of course

04:47:32 pete_dushenski: lol like imagining a hot broad with perfect dime nipples on her tits AND her ass

04:47:57 BingoBoingo: If rednecks will bolt v6 and v8 machines together to get up to 24 cylinders... You could try that but smoother

04:48:36 pete_dushenski: i suspect i'm too distantly related from my cousins for that sort of thing

04:49:10 BingoBoingo: And this is why Jews never made it in NASCAR

04:49:34 pete_dushenski: nah, i think this is a personal exception

04:50:06 BingoBoingo: Well if you insist there are the Ehrnart/Goldsteins

04:50:08 pete_dushenski: there's plenty o' jews who never smell the panties of someone outside the tribe

04:50:29 cazalla: this is the best car fwiw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqohbacK2aU

04:50:30 assbot: VW Passat, 360 grieziens, 4X4 passat double. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MujRlo )

04:50:33 pete_dushenski: Ehrnart/Goldsteins << nascar drivers ? or owners ?

04:50:56 pete_dushenski: cazalla: lol!

04:51:18 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Father/Son drivers.

04:51:27 BingoBoingo: nice cazalla

04:52:13 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: both still active ?

04:52:37 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, Dale Sr. hit a wall, literally a decade or two ago.

04:55:02 pete_dushenski: oh EARNHARDT !! fuck i didn't know they were jooz

04:55:33 BingoBoingo: Seems like a JEwey name

04:56:03 BingoBoingo: Like Koufax

04:57:10 pete_dushenski: hm. not quite enough to go on there.

04:57:42 pete_dushenski: there was a blue jays player i had the same suspicion about a few years back. turns out, total goy.

04:57:56 BingoBoingo: Ah, mebbe just sufficiently monied that people default to assuming they are pipe hitting members of the tribe

04:58:01 cazalla: BingoBoingo, spotted a dupa http://i.imgur.com/xs29Qrt.jpg

04:58:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MukxHu )

04:58:04 BingoBoingo: Seriously

04:58:20 BingoBoingo: See cazalla, Mayo Gendered

05:01:54 BingoBoingo: !up contrapumpkin

05:03:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278246 << this ~has~ to be some kind of disinfo. it seems impossible, like hearing about a demolished skyscraper un-exploding, an egg un-breaking and picking itself up from the kitchen floor and sliding back into the chicken

05:03:49 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 03:59:20; pete_dushenski: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/social-sciences-and-humanities-faculties-close-japan-after-ministerial-decree << goooOooo social sciences!

05:04:58 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I seriously think you'd enjoy the demolition derbies. Nothing but cars lesser than Saddam meeting the most nobel ends they can.

05:05:35 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/08/23/commentary/japan-commentary/humanities-attack/#.VfjlirRLfkr

05:05:38 assbot: Humanities under attack | The Japan Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mul9wA )

05:07:17 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i bet you're right. we'll check one out together before you pull the us-chute

05:07:57 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just remember the farm equiptment variations got alot more style than passenger vehicles

05:10:14 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: And remember no format of demolition derby allows Chrysler Imperials or Checker Cabs, because they are totally cool

05:23:30 BingoBoingo: Many such contests will even disallow any passenger vehicle with a body on frame construction

05:25:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00075074 = 5.2176 BTC [-]

05:33:37 BingoBoingo: What I really wonder is why there are people in chan without a cheap surplus Ti-92

05:41:01 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/644542458735525888/photo/1

05:42:14 BingoBoingo: Fuck him. If he wanted to matter he should have run in 2000 instead of the idiot brother

05:43:10 BingoBoingo: Jeb http://thecodelesscode.com/case/199

05:43:11 assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 199 Unwitting Accomplice ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBunGO )

05:47:32 BingoBoingo: George http://thecodelesscode.com/case/201?name=Wangohan

05:47:34 assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 201 Ignorance is Bliss ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpUnyR )

05:50:00 pete_dushenski: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2015/09/17/detroit-neighborhood-plea-want-squatters/32558019/

05:50:00 assbot: Detroit neighborhood plea: ‘We want squatters’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBvshU )

05:51:23 BingoBoingo: Fuck them. If they wanted Squatters they should have milder winters like San Fransisco.

05:53:57 BingoBoingo: "Undeterred, Mergos began a community garden, Sunnyside Farms, on the site of her burned home. Someone tried to wreck the garden, so she placed five beehives to keep away troublemakers." << Forgot to bring the three wise men Colt, Remington, and Winchester

06:00:11 pete_dushenski: we three kings of orient are smoking on a rubber cigar...

06:00:26 *: pete_dushenski to bed

06:06:51 mircea_popescu: "Of the 60 national universities that offer courses in these disciplines, 26 have confirmed that they will either close or scale back their irrelevant faculties at the behest of Japan?s government."

06:06:54 mircea_popescu: fixed for truth.

06:11:56 mircea_popescu: ok that nina paley chick is pretty cool/

06:25:40 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/P0GJvi1.png << scam rumour!

06:25:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZc66g )

06:36:30 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://i.imgur.com/P0GJvi1.png << scam rumour! << Oh, yet another Mayo Gendered anon shill

06:36:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZc66g )

06:41:49 *: BingoBoingo becoming rather convinced the only true SJW transgender is trans-fat gender. Welcome Cartman and our other Mayo-Gendered overlords.

06:47:11 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1182005 << Stockolm Syndrome

06:47:13 assbot: Follow the Bitcoins taken from me by Homeland Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZep9e )

06:50:43 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible.

06:50:45 assbot: dpaste: 046VT8P ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZeLN9 )

06:53:00 cazalla: BingoBoingo, woo woo woo woo

06:53:08 cazalla: thought the episode was preddy average tbh

06:53:25 BingoBoingo: eh, reading the SA story

06:55:28 mircea_popescu: i would say by and large the libertard mind understands it is an epiphenomenon in human history, and utterly doomed.

06:55:39 mircea_popescu: 2015 brought the first inklings of acceptance, which is welcome.

06:57:41 BingoBoingo: Seriously

06:59:38 BingoBoingo: We, be dragons just burning the poor,

06:59:56 cazalla: white suit, beard, this HAS to be a mircea_popescu class room! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c7b_1442078659

06:59:57 assbot: LiveLeak.com - Teacher showing his anger on his innocent students. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUX0zd )

07:00:03 BingoBoingo: Why? Biodiesel for the Uranium mines that power the ASICs

07:08:28 BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else have a clue that Gawker Media had a food writer who published recipies and shit? https://archive.is/NvQc2

07:08:29 assbot: Dissolve The United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgiTr )

07:09:12 BingoBoingo: "Any polity that can produce such an outcome should be abolished. Dissolve the United States, replacing it with a set of city-states, villages, and thinly-peopled hinterlands; let every public that wants one have their own Carly Fiorina or Bobby Jindal, and let everyone else go about their business. The candidate who proposes that will be the one to get behind."

07:13:24 mircea_popescu: so she is voting for mp this election ? write-in ?

07:13:39 cazalla: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34118482

07:13:40 assbot: Intelligent machines: Call for a ban on robots designed as sex toys - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgNwE )

07:13:46 BingoBoingo: He is apparently voting for MP

07:14:07 cazalla: i guess all the women are concerned men will no longer need their fupas

07:14:09 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Only the Mayo Gendered would support such a proposition

07:15:05 BingoBoingo: Not woment cazalla, but people who choose the pronouns Meh, Mayo, and Mehrs

07:15:23 cazalla: i'd buy one and i'm not into that xe shit

07:16:04 mircea_popescu: wait, all the fuckiung machiens are ok, the problem starts once MEN get usable fuckdroids ?

07:16:07 mircea_popescu: herp.

07:16:26 BingoBoingo: Seriously. Vibrators fine, Fleshlights SCANDAL

07:18:33 mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy, looking at all the derpy "news sites" that copied qntra but forgot to mention it.

07:18:47 mircea_popescu: easily 1k of 'em.

07:19:19 mircea_popescu: "americanbanker.com" ? "journalbiz.blabla" ? mmmkay.

07:20:02 BingoBoingo: Seriously. And qntra can still take from the the part where something happened because they are all too chickenshit to tell the truth.

07:26:15 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/Rfi7E#selection-9597.3-9597.92 << all that eager hope. and then... nothing happened. and then...

07:26:16 assbot: Bitcoin is still funny and the xbox one has the wrong kind of RAM - The Something Awful Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZi72C )

07:26:18 mircea_popescu: more hope.

07:26:49 mircea_popescu: kinda funny how the losers of the decade manage to somehow project their endless hope-disappointment cycle on other people.

07:28:16 *: BingoBoingo still waits for citadels

07:29:32 cazalla: that place was so cool back in the day

07:29:48 cazalla: jeff k and all that

07:30:11 cazalla: BingoBoingo, here are the citadels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTX9yP3fJNA

07:30:11 assbot: 2084 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZinPi )

07:30:40 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Youtube is broken

07:36:58 BingoBoingo: Brb

07:40:52 mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= << historically, tx fee bumps and price bumps correlate

07:40:53 assbot: Bitcoin Total Transaction Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB3DFO )

07:40:57 mircea_popescu: for some ungodly reason.

08:19:36 punkman: http://researchcenter.paloaltonetworks.com/2015/09/novel-malware-xcodeghost-modifies-xcode-infects-apple-ios-apps-and-hits-app-store/

08:19:38 assbot: Novel Malware XcodeGhost Modifies Xcode, Infects Apple iOS Apps and Hits App Store - Palo Alto Networks BlogPalo Alto Networks Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwE1Nd )

08:20:33 punkman: "At least two iOS apps were submitted to App Store, successfully passed Apple’s code review, and were published for public download."

08:23:37 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPIGyCvWsAAdves.png:large

08:23:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwExKU )

08:37:54 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/2ZECpM0.jpg <<< 1rst Annual #bicoin-assets White-Trash Beauty Competition. Vote now!

08:37:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwGebo )

08:41:09 HeySteve: shinohai, blonde 3rd from left and the redhead

08:42:10 shinohai: I agree with the blonde HeySteve ... good eye

08:42:32 HeySteve: years of practice

08:43:35 shinohai: :D

08:44:06 cazalla: if i had too. 3rd from left too

08:44:53 cazalla: as for a 2nd.. 6th from left

08:45:06 cazalla: the rest could land a plane between their tits

08:45:27 shinohai: And that ONE black woman

08:45:48 shinohai: The blonde standing beside her isn't shabby

08:45:57 HeySteve: yeah #6 is best bruenette

08:48:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16663 @ 0.00075669 = 12.6087 BTC [+]

08:49:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38216 @ 0.00075958 = 29.0281 BTC [+]

08:50:27 punkman: http://i.imgur.com/yDzCySF.jpg

08:50:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwHMSA )

08:52:41 cazalla: asked the missus if she could guess which 2 i picked.. she got 1 outta 2 (the brunette)

08:53:31 punkman: the tall blondie is an obvious choice

08:55:15 HeySteve: the trashiest is either blonde on far left or the pink cheetah lady

08:56:07 shinohai: cheetah lady has my vote

09:02:33 cazalla: prob right as cheetah lady was the first one my missus picked as "she's total trash"

09:02:55 HeySteve: but she doesn't have obviously fake breasts

09:03:50 HeySteve: whereas that blonde's boobs are like 1/2 of mount rushmore

09:06:11 cazalla: big/small/fake/whatever, any gap is a boner killer

09:18:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66900 @ 0.00076005 = 50.8473 BTC [+] {3}

09:50:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6743 @ 0.00075074 = 5.0622 BTC [-]

10:19:12 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278233 << one of those recently followed me on twatter. https://twitter.com/oddteenager/status/584227084194680833

10:19:12 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:50; BingoBoingo: Oh, no there are fun opportunities that pop up on dating sites like the recently out of a long term relationship and cute girls with borderline personality disorder. THe holy grail to hunt for is the overlap

10:23:58 cazalla: bet she'd be a great root danielpbarron

10:24:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00075074 = 12.6124 BTC [-]

10:27:24 danielpbarron: ;;later tell copypaste wtf https://archive.is/VoUwR

10:27:25 assbot: Fredrick Brennan(HW) on Twitter: "Thank you Mr. Poettering and @kdeproject for making desktop Linux better for everyone I should have never doubted u http://t.co/Lwic5rJQw2" ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlrIMd )

10:27:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:29:05 cazalla: those pills look like glucosamine or some shit

10:29:10 cazalla: the big white ones anyway

11:33:04 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants

11:33:04 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 06:50:43; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible.

11:35:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00075074 = 9.084 BTC [-]

12:19:10 HeySteve: http://www.fastcoexist.com/3050606/china-is-building-the-mother-of-all-reputation-systems-to-monitor-citizen-behavior

12:19:11 assbot: China Is Building The Mother Of All Reputation Systems To Monitor Citizen Behavior | Co.Exist | ideas + impact ... ( http://bit.ly/1iUoMzo )

12:20:55 punkman: ""In Europe and the U.S., there's a notion that the state should be constrained, that it's not right to intervene in people's lives, unless for justified reasons. In China, the state has no qualms about that."

12:24:21 HeySteve: there is such a notion, not shared by the state

12:25:46 kakobrekla: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-17/bitcoin-is-officially-a-commodity-according-to-u-s-regulator

12:25:47 assbot: Bitcoin Is Officially a Commodity, According to U.S. Regulator - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7xwMH )

12:28:08 punkman: a commodity, security, currency, whatever each USG entity needs to call it in order to pretend they have authority over it

12:37:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20117 @ 0.00075074 = 15.1026 BTC [-]

13:03:52 fluffypony: inb4 CommodityCoin

13:31:37 mats: i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone'

13:31:46 mats: it is literally checkers

13:41:06 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/ZuJxVwd

13:41:07 assbot: Hoarding - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCiFGE )

13:43:40 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvUMV1N7eGM

13:43:41 assbot: Ylvis - Massachusetts [Official music video HD] (Explicit Lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCiUlh )

13:45:31 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 3.20000000 BTC on 'No' - EUR/USD Parity in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1111/eur-usd-parity-in-2015/#b33

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13:59:30 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx6HojLBsnw

13:59:31 assbot: Dilbert - The Knack full - YouTube.flv - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCkGml )

14:00:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18475 @ 0.00075081 = 13.8712 BTC [+]

14:00:56 pete_dushenski: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/09/15/executive-order-using-behavioral-science-insights-better-serve-american

14:00:57 assbot: Executive Order -- Using Behavioral Science Insights to Better Serve the American People | whitehouse.gov ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCkSCc )

14:02:08 punkman: ominus title eh

14:02:11 mats: https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/3lefc6/chinese_ios_devs_download_xcode_from_3rdparty/

14:02:13 assbot: Chinese iOS devs download Xcode from 3rd-party, spyware was added in compile time for many popular Chinese iOS apps (raw report Chinese) : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCl4Bp )

14:04:35 pete_dushenski: punkman: ominus omnibus

14:05:41 pete_dushenski: 'justitia omnibus' being the motto of the district of columbia !

14:10:17 pete_dushenski: http://www.justitiaomnibus.com/en/about-the-company/ <<

14:10:18 assbot: About the Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkMA9w )

14:10:46 pete_dushenski: "ust being acquainted with the laws and following them is sometimes insufficiently." << random ukr 'legal services' co. has it right.

14:11:18 pete_dushenski: Foreigners and citizens of Ukraine, who want to visit Lviv should know that the officials of militia, the customs service and other law-enforcement bodies not always follow the law. " << sounds like usistan

14:24:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67085 @ 0.00075111 = 50.3882 BTC [+] {2}

14:25:21 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278429 <-- isn't this thing three years old now? iirc there are a number of variants circulating

14:25:21 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 06:50:43; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible.

14:26:23 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1278034 <-- with great soundtrack even. thanks punkman :)

14:26:23 assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 20:45:40; punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYM50dBa1Fk

14:26:36 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278391 << heh. i'd actually like this as a footrest under my desk.

14:26:36 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 08:23:37; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPIGyCvWsAAdves.png:large

14:27:28 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277223 <-- what happened to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263703 how about some consistency folks

14:27:28 assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 01:56:41; mircea_popescu: fucking master race check that out.

14:27:28 assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 04:44:54; mircea_popescu: obviously the white guys killed the red guys. the red guys sucked.

14:28:01 funkenstein_: and while we

14:28:15 funkenstein_: are at it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277699 <-- can't defend himself, therefore has no value

14:28:15 assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 07:05:20; BingoBoingo: Three years old and type 2 diabetes, most people with congential type 1 diabetes don't know it at that age

14:28:40 funkenstein_: obese because can or something like that

14:29:17 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277221 << broken unicode in this link

14:29:17 assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 01:56:27; mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Bundesarchiv_Bild_133-075%2C_Worms%2C_Antisemitische_Presse%2C_%22St?rmerkasten%22.jpg << how the fuck can these people read newspaper print from two feet away.

14:29:18 pete_dushenski: https://i.imgur.com/2ZECpM0.jpg << yup. 3rd from left. this, dear redditards and conference sluts, is what consensus looks like.

14:29:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwGebo )

14:30:40 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278423 << hm.

14:30:40 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 10:27:24; danielpbarron: ;;later tell copypaste wtf https://archive.is/VoUwR

14:30:43 funkenstein_: lol :)

14:32:02 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/644762089735622656 << on the money, davout.

14:32:32 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: too bad noah smith will never see this ! https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/644331919375736833

14:33:10 funkenstein_: what distro is that? i've never seen that screen

14:33:14 pete_dushenski: anyone else with a twitter account up for sending http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/16/noahthority-and-economists/ to @noahpinion ?

14:33:16 assbot: Noahthority and “economists” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkP87M )

14:36:45 pete_dushenski: "Noah Smith ‏@Noahpinion 21h21 hours ago : 9/The expansionist imperial period of 1930-45 was Japan's greatest heyday of power and prestige. It was also a period of great dynamism." << because the history of the world started in 1900 because that's all they taught us in social studies class in high school !

14:37:01 punkman: funkenstein_: "can't defend himself, therefore has no value" "obese because can or something like that" << this is not a good way to argue

14:37:46 funkenstein_: punkman, I agree. That was my point.

14:37:59 funkenstein_: Or.. do you mean something else?

14:39:03 punkman: funkenstein_: yes I'm talking about how you are making this point

14:39:47 funkenstein_: Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it?

14:40:14 pete_dushenski: "Noah Smith ‏@Noahpinion 21h21 hours ago : 8/Japan is not traditionally a fascist country - or even a very centralized one. But collective memory doesn't go much past 1930." << my eyes are not bleeding. thx twitter. thx 'economists'.

14:40:27 pete_dushenski: for cereal, why do i do this to myself ? why read this garbage ?

14:40:42 pete_dushenski: s/not/now

14:40:52 funkenstein_: I'm also trying to help straighten out which lines of reasoning can be fruitful and which are dead ends

14:41:48 funkenstein_: pete_dushenski, how did this guy piss you off so much? :D

14:42:00 pete_dushenski: by being born ?

14:42:33 funkenstein_: lol, so just general idiocy or did he hit a particularly sensitive spot?

14:43:15 pete_dushenski: well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious

14:43:37 shinohai: retweeted danielpbarron 's tweet for ya pete_dushenski funny writeup :D

14:43:54 pete_dushenski: cheers !

14:44:18 pete_dushenski: the sensitive spot is that i'm guilty of trying to make sense of his insanity

14:45:37 pete_dushenski: i'm apparently a sucker for punishment and noah serves it up on a silver platter

14:46:17 pete_dushenski: i must not have enough to do in a day to find myself stooping to such levels

14:46:44 pete_dushenski: watch, i'll have a half-dozen spawn just to block out this idiot noise from 'economists'

14:47:55 shinohai: Everyone that has ever used a cloned shitcoin is an "economist" now

14:48:00 funkenstein_: anyway, nice piece you wrote from the trenches. someone had to do it.

14:48:45 jurov: !rate belisk 1 quick btc trade

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14:48:55 pete_dushenski: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-17/primary-dealers-rigged-treasury-auctions-investor-lawsuit-says << “The only plausible explanation is that Defendants coordinated artificially to influence the results of the auctions in the primary market,”

14:48:56 assbot: Primary Dealers Rigged Treasury Auctions, Investor Lawsuit Says - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P83MPM )

14:49:15 pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: grazie :)

14:49:29 jurov: !v assbot:jurov.rate.belisk.1:c0a90a860dca743c1b39b5540280fa5bc263632f87557aea011100111b0942bb

14:49:29 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for belisk with note: quick btc trade

14:49:52 pete_dushenski: “These analyses reveal a consistent pattern: Treasury auction yields were artificially high (and prices correspondingly low),” according to the complaint. “Defendants then turned around and sold the Treasuries at higher prices (and correspondingly lower yields) in the secondary markets, reaping substantial profits.”

14:52:25 funkenstein_: 240k TX yesterday, anybody know supwiddat?

15:04:33 pete_dushenski: !up Pierre_Rochard

15:04:47 pete_dushenski: how goes the wall street dream, my man ?

15:05:47 Pierre_Rochard: manager insisted copy/pasting all day > programming for a few hours. So that didn’t last long

15:06:24 pete_dushenski: orly ??

15:06:52 Pierre_Rochard: now enjoying a sabbatical, learning C++ so I can finally ~understand the bitcoin blackbox

15:07:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38179 @ 0.00075074 = 28.6625 BTC [-]

15:07:41 pete_dushenski: falling down the rabbit hole.

15:07:56 Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: congratulations on the newborn!

15:07:58 pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: what bank was this copypasta at ?

15:08:11 pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: ah, mais merci :D

15:08:52 Pierre_Rochard: not a bank, more of an information aggregator like bloomberg - http://caissallc.com/

15:08:54 assbot: Caissa - Alternative Investment, Fund of Funds and Financial Risk Management Software | Caissa ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0tPiZ )

15:09:13 jurov: hi BeliSK

15:09:55 BeliSK: hi :)

15:11:35 mats: http://www.improbable.com/ig/winners/#ig2015

15:11:36 assbot: Improbable Research ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0u8Kw )

15:12:06 mats: 2015 Ig Nobel Prize winners.

15:12:10 pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: so

15:12:23 pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: so 'alternative' means anything but eh

15:12:53 pete_dushenski: or only applies to 'investment' and not funds or software

15:13:33 funkenstein_: A friend of mine was talking this project up, I thought it might be of interest here and didn't find it in the logs: http://saltlang.wordpress.com

15:13:36 assbot: Salt Programming Language Project | Project and design blog for the Salt programming language project ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8avcq )

15:14:51 pete_dushenski: mats: i remember one of the ignoble winners from a few years back having researched 'why do computer cables become tangled'

15:15:13 pete_dushenski: actually seems more valuable than 'social sciences' in hindsight

15:19:48 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.01010101 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b9

15:20:04 pete_dushenski: http://z9hbb3mwou383x1930ve0ugl.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/Census-2014-Afterburn.pdf << burning man demographics

15:20:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8bNEl )

15:29:01 punkman: another cryptome post http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snfs2o

15:29:01 assbot: TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8e4Q0 )

15:29:36 punkman: "Crypto keys leak, loss and theft happens, but disclosure of passphrase like Assange's to journo to book for State cables a classic PR ploy."

15:29:53 punkman: I got no clue

15:30:06 pete_dushenski: total schizo

15:31:19 pete_dushenski: https://onetoday.google.com/page/refugeerelief?c=CA << the g00gs will match your donation. they promise !

15:31:20 assbot: Google Refugee and Migrant Response ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0wTf0 )

15:32:02 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-09-2015#1276359 << hm. oops.

15:32:02 assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 15:04:52; asciilifeform: 'Donate to help refugees and migrants in urgent need. We'll match your donation.' << google.

15:47:09 kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/taxG5ec.png

15:47:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ioPj )

15:48:16 pete_dushenski: http://40.media.tumblr.com/d01543a29c89ee4b4dc9a857191fe48f/tumblr_ns8jupBku31qa5vjdo1_1280.jpg << never obsolete

15:48:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8iI0m )

15:49:05 pete_dushenski: 566 mhz intel celeron, 64 mb ram, 15 gb hd, winbloze 98

15:49:25 kakobrekla: and "game ports".

15:51:08 pete_dushenski: and aol version 5.0 included.

15:57:23 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

16:10:27 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278557 <<< I still had one of these 5 yrs ago using it as a fileserver xD

16:10:27 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 15:48:16; pete_dushenski: http://40.media.tumblr.com/d01543a29c89ee4b4dc9a857191fe48f/tumblr_ns8jupBku31qa5vjdo1_1280.jpg << never obsolete

16:13:32 ascii_field: pet had this box when we met

16:14:06 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278541 << this is actually a fairly deep problem, and, afaik, unsolved

16:14:06 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 15:14:51; pete_dushenski: mats: i remember one of the ignoble winners from a few years back having researched 'why do computer cables become tangled'

16:18:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79700 @ 0.00075475 = 60.1536 BTC [+] {5}

16:21:48 pete_dushenski: http://www.pnas.org/content/104/42/16432.abstract << 2008 winner of physics 'ignoble'

16:21:50 assbot: Spontaneous knotting of an agitated string ... ( http://bit.ly/1V03jAW )

16:23:01 *: ascii_field recalls reading this, and thinking that it does not rise to a 'solution'

16:23:43 pete_dushenski: same. just 'area of research'

16:25:38 PeterL: http://xkcd.com/1579/ << a description of ascii_field's complaints about computers?

16:25:39 assbot: xkcd: Tech Loops ... ( http://bit.ly/1V03AE4 )

16:25:46 ascii_field: one such.

16:26:10 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: aka 'look what we spent bezzle talking about'

16:26:46 mats: at the suggestion of an acquaintance, am re-reading 'A Fire Upon the Deep'

16:27:03 *: ascii_field liked it

16:29:19 mats: acquaintance noted that vinge had an idea that predates 'the cult of langsec'

16:29:49 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

16:29:50 mats: that is: translation to an intermediate language with low expressive power, then back to whatever's parsed by original recipient,as a means of avoiding pwnage by a powerful adversary

16:30:41 ascii_field: the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage

16:31:13 mats: you think so?

16:31:16 ascii_field: aha

16:31:18 ascii_field: x86.

16:31:19 ascii_field: QED.

16:31:59 ascii_field: the yarn had some imaginative and perhaps even good ideas, this was not one of these

16:33:00 mats: well, as you like to remind so often, x86 ain't everything there is.

16:33:26 ascii_field: no but the basic idea of turning a high-level message into incomprehensible ground beef

16:33:38 ascii_field: (the actual result of translating from more-expressive language to a less-)

16:33:48 ascii_field: invariably subtracts from fits-in-head.

16:34:15 mats: anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation

16:35:00 ascii_field: program verification is 1) provably unsolvable in the general case 2) to the extent it adds complexity and overall logical mass and subtracts from fit-in-head-ability, it is ~an evil~

16:37:34 mats: yes, and if you reject a inputs outside of a defined set of formal-izable grammars, the more constrained the model and subsequently greater approachability towards program verification

16:38:09 ascii_field: it is certainly both possible and useful in narrow cases. see the ada threads

16:38:19 ascii_field: but as an overall panacea, it is a usgism.

16:40:21 mats: how conspiratorial.

16:40:43 pete_dushenski: lol

16:40:48 BingoBoingo: Consipracy, Conspiracy never ends

16:41:17 ascii_field: mats: i don't know where you are posting from, but on my planet we recently saw astonishingly brazen clandestine techno-diddlatrons blown wide open.

16:41:58 ascii_field: mats: we are also bedeviled by pseudoscientific academitards who push them as 'security research'

16:43:26 BingoBoingo: Actual security research takes the form "X barrier can resist breach by thermal lance at Y intensity for Z minutes"

16:45:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00076195 = 19.8107 BTC [+] {3}

16:46:35 mats: USG is a fount of grants for certain fields, computer security is one of those blessed. consideration of all USG research as poisoned fruit is your prerogative, but for me, extraordinary and specific claims require extraordinarily specific evidence. like someone diddling an IR parser.

16:47:08 ascii_field: mats: it isn't even that 'don't use the work of dr. x., it will kill you'

16:47:30 ascii_field: but that overall DIRECTIONS of research that are given support by usg in past decade are specifically counterproductive

16:47:33 ascii_field: calculatedly.

16:48:01 ascii_field: e.g., the push for movement from rsa to ecc

16:48:38 ascii_field: accompanied by unsubstantiated claims of 'equivalence' between long rsa and short ecc key 'hardnesses'

16:49:12 ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this.

16:49:38 pete_dushenski: obligatory : http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/

16:49:41 assbot: How to deal with pseudoscience ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRVDzE )

16:49:51 ascii_field: the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good.

16:50:22 pete_dushenski: anyways mats, whatever they're paying you, you're definitely dancing hard enough for it.

16:50:30 pete_dushenski: or is that too conspiratorial of me ?

16:50:44 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: iirc mats admitted to merely ~wishing~ to be bought

16:50:50 mats: yes, this is all well and good, but we were talking about IR parsers

16:51:18 pete_dushenski: 'careful what you wish for, you just might get it' (tm) (r)

16:51:29 ascii_field: mats: and i was talking about hygiene.

16:51:46 ascii_field: hygiene does pointedly ~not~ mean 'we must inspect every roadkill for edible bits'

16:52:02 mats: or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated

16:52:26 ascii_field: mats: i pointedly do not care whether or by whom you were (or like to be) bought

16:52:59 ascii_field: my statement concerned heuristics for what intellectual pursuits are worth bothering with, given limited resource

16:53:00 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0K46C82v9o

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16:57:05 mats: then i suppose I'll conclude with disagreeing this is an unworthy area of research.

16:58:34 ascii_field: thing is, brain cycles worth half a damn are scarce.

16:58:39 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35PfbiTGvk << what inflation ?? only increased in 'value' 12x in 12 years. no reason to raise rates here.

16:58:40 assbot: Record Setting $13.75 Million McLaren F1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1V05Rz9 )

16:58:44 ascii_field: usg has a very effective program for soaking them up

16:59:15 ascii_field: on items GUARANTEED not to result in serious dings to 'nothing is beyond our reach' (e.g., full techno-lustration silicon and upwards)

16:59:58 ascii_field: *from

17:00:03 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this

17:00:06 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

17:00:41 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: nah that's mainly panem et circenses

17:01:31 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Well that and taking a portion of hungry people and redirecting their worry so they burn themselves down instead of burning the whole show

17:01:37 ascii_field: from usg's point of view, ANYTHING is better than having folks wake up to cpu-with-bounds-checking-on-all-ops and fits-in-head

17:03:50 mats: well, if you ever decide to describe why 'langsec' et al. is a waste of time, i'd love to read it. you too, pete_dushenski.

17:04:26 mats: waste of time, like whether and how advancement of formal languages for security is useful, or keeping input grammars regular whenever possible, verifiale parser, ...

17:04:27 ascii_field: mats: start here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390

17:04:28 assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyhL9 )

17:04:38 ascii_field: mats: note that i did not say 'waste of time'

17:05:23 ascii_field: if pursued as pure mathematics, it can be a mildly respectable thing.

17:05:27 mats: i am generally interested in these things because i like knowing about whether a given abstraction kills particular techniques

17:06:46 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/caseyville-officer-killed-self-in-patrol-car-investigators-say/article_f77ca807-173f-54f9-8490-2d25226ae99a.html

17:06:47 assbot: Caseyville officer killed self in patrol car, investigators say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODss4F )

17:06:47 ascii_field: it is not an uninteresting subject. just as, say, historical climate patterns are not uninteresting. but both would become considerably more intellectually respectable if all of the current academic practitioners of each were to be shot.

17:12:01 mats: now we're getting somewhere. which 'langsec' authors have a funny smell?

17:12:25 mats: what papers smell funny?

17:12:40 punkman: "LANGSEC posits that the only path to trustworthy software that takes untrusted inputs is treating all valid or expected inputs as a formal language, and the respective input-handling routines as a recognizer for that language."

17:13:51 punkman: so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP?

17:15:13 ascii_field: this is fundamentally an example of what i was talking about.

17:15:51 ascii_field: deceive people into failing to so much suspect that the root of their probems can be dealt with, without telling any lies in the usual sense of the word.

17:16:13 ascii_field: this is not 'ordered from above' in the naive way imagined by hecklers of 'conspiratorial' matters

17:16:25 ascii_field: instead, it is baked into the 'firmware' of academia as a thing.

17:16:42 ascii_field: no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome.

17:16:46 ascii_field: this is elementary.

17:17:15 mats: well, just a thought here, functional programming looks like a better path forward than ada, if only because its easier to automate

17:17:27 ascii_field: automate ?

17:17:36 mats: automating formal analyses

17:17:39 pete_dushenski: bwahahha

17:17:45 ascii_field: mats: i ~like~ functional programming, understand.

17:17:49 ascii_field: purely aesthetically.

17:18:00 ascii_field: but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu.

17:18:31 ascii_field: and the data structures popular among 'functionality' aficionados are not physically possible, but instead are clunkily emulated ('immutability') with actual ones

17:19:52 ascii_field: mats: for instance, i like 'ml' (language.) but i will not close my eyes to the fact that garbage collector is a cross-process info leaker.

17:20:25 ascii_field: not to mention a source of nondeterminism

17:20:39 ascii_field: my other problem is that i have not yet found an implementation of ml language that fits-in-head.

17:20:43 ascii_field: this is not negotiable.

17:23:13 ascii_field: and yes, i guess, being concerned with the number of intellectual 'cpu cycles' needed to fully grasp the ~implementation~ of the language and the machine under it - makes me a t3rr0r1st11111

17:26:06 ascii_field: https://cryptome.org/2015/09/sobh-attacked-doe.htm << l0l. Run Moar Winblowz, usg !

17:26:07 assbot: SOBH Attacked DOE ... ( http://bit.ly/1V07UTE )

17:30:48 mats: i research what folks are doing to incrementally raise the cost of attack, because there is interesting work being done there, this is where the money is, and we are all living with various design decisions that can't be undone at low cost.

17:31:03 mats: and obviously systems that can provably prevent things from happening are preferable...

17:31:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00075074 = 39.2637 BTC [-]

17:31:38 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:31:54 ascii_field: the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet.

17:32:11 punkman: mats: I'm all for langsec and chipsec and whatever other brand they come up with, but I don't see anyone getting anywhere

17:32:12 mats: EMET's mitigations don't look good. and don't obviously categorically defeat classes of bugs.

17:32:59 mats: maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research

17:36:25 ascii_field: mats: try #bitcoin-wizards

17:36:29 ascii_field: (in all seriousness)

17:36:42 ascii_field: buncha haskell nerds, etc. there.

17:36:54 mats: i read the logs sometimes.

17:38:44 ascii_field: understand, i have no objection to tools such as computerized theorem-proving, data flow analysis, etc. except in that these are put forward as ~substitutes for fits-in-head simplicity~.

17:38:56 ascii_field: there is not a substitute.

17:39:22 ascii_field: anyone who proposes one, directly or by implication, is (whether he knows it or not) committing pseudointellectual flimflammery in the service of hitler.

17:42:22 pete_dushenski: !b 3

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17:43:51 mats: punkman: have you read any of the papers?

17:44:13 ascii_field: to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these.

17:44:44 ascii_field: i ~like~ the idea of 'this quicksort will provably not overstep its bounds.' but much better is ~this quicksort can as easily overstep its bounds as my car can start itself and drive to alaska'

17:45:51 ascii_field: and the ultimate litmus test for whether a proposed security mechanism is usgistic: 'does this item INCREASE - or DECREASE - the amount of complexity present in the system, for which i must defer to someone's authority to determine whether it does what was promised ?'

17:46:14 punkman: mats, probably above my paygrade, but I'll have a look at them

17:46:29 ascii_field: e.g., it is good and well to have, g.g., a hindley milner type inference system, or theorem prover,

17:46:32 mats: http://openwall.info/wiki/_media/people/jvanegue/files/spw15_heap_models_vanegue.pdf << 'state of the research' progress report.

17:46:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0I6fv )

17:46:35 ascii_field: but now i have to UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK

17:46:54 ascii_field: expecting me to just swallow 100MB of whateverthefuck source, WON'T FLY

17:47:02 ascii_field: no pasaran, motherfuckers.

17:47:58 ascii_field: likewise, 'mitigations' which ultimately prolong the agony of c/c++/c-machine - are works of evil.

17:48:14 ascii_field: let the thing die, for fuck's sake.

17:48:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00076459 = 33.1067 BTC [+] {3}

17:52:42 mats: so in the future i think i'll be taking these discussions to PM, if this is something you'd be interested in, ascii_field

17:52:50 ascii_field: nope.

17:52:54 ascii_field: public or nothing.

17:53:15 mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping.

17:53:22 ascii_field: i like to 1) educate people 2) refer to logs in the future

17:53:27 punkman: mats, discuss away, why not

17:53:28 ascii_field: saves my keyboard the wear, appreciate.

17:53:33 mats: dunno that anyone even cares, now

17:53:46 pete_dushenski: i care, this is deeply educational

17:53:49 mats: 10/10 times it is just alf and i.

17:54:00 ascii_field: and log.

17:54:11 ascii_field: and mircea_popescu when he wakes up.

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17:58:35 trinque: mats: sometimes people sit back and enjoy the conversation

17:59:51 BingoBoingo: ^

18:00:00 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-07-2015#1214613

18:00:00 assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person.

18:00:39 punkman: mats, so what kind of parsing are you doing for the keyserver?

18:01:07 ascii_field: my views re: 'let's do pm' are roughly similar to those of mircea_popescu.

18:03:24 kakobrekla: mp criteria is 'do i know you'.

18:03:46 pete_dushenski: plus, cui bono

18:05:13 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:45:51 punkman: "You should have a bunch of feelings when using computers. Excitement. Pride. Delight. Amazement. Curiousity. Yes, even frustration and anger. But you generally should not feel despair. You should not be feeling desperation. You really shouldn’t."

18:45:55 punkman: "An architecture and environment that could lead you into this situation, where you are helpless and wronged and did nothing but what you were told was right, and then punished quite severely, is very wrong. It is the opposite of what a computer and technology should do."

18:49:22 kakobrekla: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/business/volkswagen-is-ordered-to-recall-nearly-500000-vehicles-over-emissions-software.html?_r=0

18:49:25 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlnyX5 )

18:50:09 pete_dushenski: "The device is programmed to detect when the car is undergoing official emissions testing, and to only turn on full emissions control systems during that testing. Those controls are turned off during normal driving situations, when the vehicles pollute far more heavily than reported by the manufacturer, the E.P.A. said." << kek

18:51:34 punkman: how the hell do they detect that

18:52:03 pete_dushenski: my guess : someone snitched

18:52:22 punkman: I mean the emissions testing

18:54:21 pete_dushenski: either a) when anything plugs into the obd-ii port, or b) the whole thing is a parallel construction to keep ze germans at bay against tbtf 'domestics'

18:54:45 pete_dushenski: like the whole toyota 'unintended acceleration' dealio from ~2008

19:01:52 punkman: http://openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/09/17/5

19:01:53 assbot: oss-security - s/party/hack like it's 1999 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlopH0 )

19:02:42 kakobrekla: >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards.

19:03:37 kakobrekla: dunno really, seems kinda sketchy to me

19:04:35 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:04:47 ascii_field: kakobrekla: sounds like an ordinary exhaust turbocharger, no ?

19:04:53 ascii_field: but presented in 'scam light'

19:05:20 kakobrekla: mebbe

19:07:30 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278738 << mircea_popescu will especially enjoy this one.

19:07:30 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 19:01:52; punkman: http://openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/09/17/5

19:09:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00076243 = 21.7674 BTC [-] {2}

19:14:43 kakobrekla: if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer

19:23:15 punkman: http://oreoshake.github.io/xss/rce/bugbounty/2015/09/08/xss-to-rce.html lulz

19:23:15 assbot: XSS to RCE in ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlpJda )

19:26:48 punkman: https://climateimagination.asu.edu/clificontest/

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19:27:26 punkman: "The emerging subgenre of climate fiction"

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19:37:31 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:10:13 jurov: ;;seen davout

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20:19:48 mats: punkman: top-down

20:20:56 mats: unless I am misunderstanding your question.

20:35:10 mircea_popescu: good morning cultists!

20:37:07 mats: i'm on my third attempt at this and i still haven't quite wrapped my head around rfc4880 as well as the behavior of various gpg versions

20:37:22 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:37:28 ascii_field: oh mats, you're in for such a treat!

20:37:33 ascii_field: wait till you do rsa padding !

20:37:41 mats: and i'm not so sure i'm the person for the job

20:37:50 ascii_field: (e.g., rfc 2437)

20:38:08 ascii_field: btw i'm half-convinced that the existing 'padding' (what a terrible misnomer!) schemes are voodoo.

20:39:06 mircea_popescu: mats well the exercise is useful anyway.

20:39:12 mircea_popescu: ascii_field makes two of us.

20:39:34 mircea_popescu: the only correct way would be to PROVE the padding works for the coding scheme. this afaik was never EVEN DISCUSSED let alone attempted, and forget succeeded.

20:39:41 mircea_popescu: so consequently... they must be.

20:39:53 ascii_field: it was discussed. half-heartedly.

20:40:18 ascii_field: but never seriously contemplated by 'standards body' (no prized for saying why)

20:40:22 ascii_field: *prizes

20:42:10 ascii_field: iirc bleichenbacher's attack works with all currently standardized padding (wtf plz can has another word for this !!!) schemes

20:45:38 punkman: mats, are you using that Hammer library linked from langsec www?

20:46:21 mircea_popescu: shitting.

20:48:11 ascii_field: the basic idea of 'padding' is that before you can really use rsa, you have to proclaim 'i will NEVER EVEN consider a blob that doesn't decrypt to this-standard-boilerplate-and-the-payload' - or, in the case of signatures, 'it is ~not~ a signature unless the signed payload is such-and-such-boilerplate-and-THEN-the-actual-payload'

20:48:37 ascii_field: the reason for this is that (as anyone who stayed awake in kindergarten ??) knows, rsa operation is malleable

20:49:49 mircea_popescu: mmm

20:50:59 mircea_popescu: you know it occurs to me, this is not necessarily the correct approach to the malleability problem.

20:51:21 mircea_popescu: specifically : it is not useful to have fixed "boilerplate".

20:51:28 ascii_field: no shit

20:51:36 mircea_popescu: it is true that if you try to "unfixed" it by using key info you necessarily leak key bits

20:51:46 mircea_popescu: however, rng is no good because now you leak rng bits, which ARE key bits.

20:52:01 ascii_field: if your rng key bits 'are key bits' you're sunk

20:52:11 ascii_field: *rng bits are

20:52:13 mircea_popescu: rng bits are always key bits.

20:52:23 ascii_field: only when you stuff'em in a key

20:52:28 ascii_field: otherwise they're just bits.

20:52:31 mircea_popescu: basic systems security is "attacker should not be able to read the machien rng".

20:52:33 ascii_field: if your rng is worth half a pence

20:52:33 mircea_popescu: that's what it is .

20:53:04 mircea_popescu: i propose to you that this view of boxen security is inconsiderate.

20:53:09 ascii_field: obviously if you use the ~same~ rng bits to generate key as you also made available to someone else, then you're dead

20:53:10 mircea_popescu: they're not "just bits".

20:53:16 mircea_popescu: no, matter of principle.

20:53:28 mircea_popescu: the internals of the box must noit be exposed TO THIS STANDARD.

20:53:59 mircea_popescu: am i making any sense or sohuld i restate ?

20:54:03 mats: punkman: no, although i read some of it several months ago. interesting, right?

20:56:34 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: restate

20:57:04 mircea_popescu: the notion of "box was owned" is never really defined, and intuitively is equated with "have a root prompt". this is uninteresting.

20:57:27 mircea_popescu: the interesting notion is, "box was not owned". and the standard for this is, "there is no way for attacker to read /urand"

20:57:40 ascii_field: it is more productive to separate 'owned' into two basic categories, read- and write- if you will. sorta like the two basic ways to cheat at cards

20:57:55 ascii_field: (peeking vs deck-stacking)

20:57:58 mircea_popescu: any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either

20:58:44 ascii_field: what i was trying to say is that if your rng bits are not independent of one another, you don't have an rng.

20:58:56 mircea_popescu: but you never will have a rng in that sense.

20:59:06 ascii_field: and if they ~are~ independent, you can give 1MB to me and another 1MB to hitler, and so long as they are not overlapping, hitler does not win

20:59:07 mircea_popescu: it is a fucking numeric machine ffs.

21:00:10 mircea_popescu: so. they will be, at best, "relatively independent" as in "sufficient for the task at hand". this is great. so long as the above standard of security is observed.

21:00:50 mircea_popescu: (and in most practical circumstances, a good chunk of the benefit of airgapping is that it ipso facto satisfies the above security standard)

21:00:57 ascii_field: no shit

21:01:01 mircea_popescu: right.

21:01:11 ascii_field: presently it is the only means of properly losing the bits used to generate a key.

21:01:17 mircea_popescu: so "rng boilerplate" MAY be a usable solution, but MUST NOT be dependend on going forward.

21:01:24 ascii_field: (and those produced in intermediate calculations involving it)

21:01:50 mircea_popescu: !up TheButterZone

21:02:30 TheButterZone: so i noticed a few users in here had negrated tradefortress, and thought you might like to know he's been lurking as unicodesnowman

21:02:41 TheButterZone: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184037.0

21:02:43 assbot: TradeFortress tied to Hashie.co exit scam ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMElo9 )

21:03:22 mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it.

21:04:23 mircea_popescu: how'd you know that ?

21:05:25 TheButterZone: know what

21:05:42 mircea_popescu: you just made a statement. how do you know and how can we verify the truthfulness of it.

21:06:07 *: shinohai pops popcorn

21:06:30 kakobrekla: you cant bring your own food here.

21:07:00 *: jurov throws his bottle to kakobrekla

21:07:06 kakobrekla: ouch.

21:07:19 mircea_popescu: assbot dispenses food ?

21:07:52 assbot: if you ask nicely

21:08:06 mircea_popescu: honestly i'd much rather eat from titsbot.

21:08:09 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

21:08:18 assbot: you get what you pay for!

21:08:51 BingoBoingo: !b 5

21:08:52 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3GRYDWS.txt )

21:08:57 jurov: !feed

21:09:06 assbot: poop

21:09:14 BingoBoingo: lol

21:09:15 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/y-combinator-too-generic-to-trademark/#comment-58525 << damned zeke party pooper ruining qntra agenda pushing!

21:09:16 assbot: "Y Combinator" Too Generic To Trademark | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMFpZ0 )

21:09:28 mircea_popescu: people are srsly not supposed to know shit in this much detail.

21:12:02 TheButterZone: unicodesnowman has wikipedia cloak. unicodesnowman on wikimedia code review uses admin@glados.cc. admin@glados.cc was used to report bugs in chromium for coinchat.org and hashie.co

21:12:52 mircea_popescu: aha!

21:12:53 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/09/y-combinator-too-generic-to-trademark/#comment-58636

21:12:54 assbot: "Y Combinator" Too Generic To Trademark | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkeUvJ )

21:13:19 mircea_popescu: danke TheButterZone :)

21:14:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278419 << it should perhaps be pointed out that any thinking individuals who happen to be ~15 and female think themselves "weird". one has to be particularly bovine to not notice just how fucking unexpectedly weird being female is, and at that age the observation is novel.

21:14:03 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 10:19:12; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278233 << one of those recently followed me on twatter. https://twitter.com/oddteenager/status/584227084194680833

21:16:30 mircea_popescu: As you can see he joined Google Code-in on behalf of wikimedia. << soi basically what we have here is a well known scammer representing wikimedia / wikipedia foundation at google hackerthons and whatnot ?

21:16:33 mircea_popescu: why am i not surprised.

21:17:33 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you suppose that angle's qntra-prosecutable ? "ex pedo's website now represented by bitcoin scammers"

21:19:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278428 << shocking, isn't it ? o hey, if hitler did it it was bad, but here's out last hope for "humanity" : blow everything to bits!!1 because going back to the stone age was a horrible plan when it was called Nerobefehl buit a spiffy idea when we came up with it (without, as is the socialist habit, even quoting sources!)

21:19:53 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants

21:20:20 mircea_popescu: moreover, notice how they call America "Africa" for some reason. but it's fucking obvious that the place that will be raped throiugh "government sponsored cellphones to stick together with" is the us.

21:24:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to think on it. TheButterZone if you'd like to submit the piece to qntra using that angle...

21:29:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278440 << i actually tried it. spiffy gfx, checkers.

21:29:46 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 13:31:37; mats: i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone'

21:31:10 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc

21:31:10 assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 01:40:50; asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPCYHKzVAAAJG6w.jpg:large << close-up photograph. if i could bet on this, i would bet a few coin that he ~busted open an ordinary alarm clock~ to make this

21:31:12 assbot: Reverse Engineering Ahmed Mohamed’s Clock… and Ourselves. | Tech Voice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okhq5h )

21:31:12 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278455 << epic.

21:31:12 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:02:13; assbot: Chinese iOS devs download Xcode from 3rd-party, spyware was added in compile time for many popular Chinese iOS apps (raw report Chinese) : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCl4Bp )

21:33:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00076858 = 38.1216 BTC [+] {3}

21:33:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278463 << i have nfi.

21:33:49 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:25:21; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278429 <-- isn't this thing three years old now? iirc there are a number of variants circulating

21:35:01 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_: how about some consistency folks << wut is this inconsistency you has found in the holy scriptures ?

21:36:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278473 << i doubt anyone seriously proposed there's any value to the destroyed 2yo. the interest, at least to my understanding, stems from the instruction ot be had for one's own life.

21:36:23 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:28:15; funkenstein_: are at it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277699 <-- can't defend himself, therefore has no value

21:39:39 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/644762089735622656 << well this is actually true. if you don't buttseks the woman with some regularity she'll never be comfortable with it.

21:40:54 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski :to @noahpinion ? << whossat ?

21:41:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278493 <<< you could improve it by making sense, and you would perhaps manage to make sense if you put some effort into understanding the very basic yet so often overlooked point that a good birthday present is not something YOU would like.

21:41:58 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:39:47; funkenstein_: Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it?

21:43:17 mircea_popescu: i get it, the view you're trying to argue against is contentious to you and involves you emotionally. this is fine but also not a problem of it, and consequently while the excuse "im flailing madly because that thing really bothered me" may serve to blind your own evaluator, it won't work similarly for anyone else.

21:46:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278501 << seems petey's on a "ferret out the enemies of la revolucion" kick.

21:46:20 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:43:15; pete_dushenski: well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious

21:47:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278513 << bwhahahaah.

21:47:19 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:48:56; assbot: Primary Dealers Rigged Treasury Auctions, Investor Lawsuit Says - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P83MPM )

21:47:30 mircea_popescu: THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO PROP UP THE ECONOMY! and create jobs! and growth!

21:47:40 mircea_popescu: you know, exactly what usg does EVERY DAY

21:49:56 mircea_popescu: http://www.improbable.com/ig/2009/images/Ketterle-Bodnar-Pamuk-Krugman-400pix.gif <<< ahahaah the bra/facemask

21:49:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkjVUZ )

21:50:24 mircea_popescu: every kid with big boob'd sister's dream since early childhood.

21:51:09 mircea_popescu: REFERENCE: "Duration of Urination Does Not Change With Body Size," Patricia J. Yang, Jonathan Pham, Jerome Choo, and David L. Hu, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2014

21:51:13 mircea_popescu: this isn't bad.

21:52:01 mircea_popescu: MATHEMATICS PRIZE ? Elisabeth Oberzaucher [AUSTRIA, GERMANY, UK] and Karl Grammer [AUSTRIA, GERMANY], for trying to use mathematical techniques to determine whether and how Moulay Ismael the Bloodthirsty, the Sharifian Emperor of Morocco, managed, during the years from 1697 through 1727, to father 888 children.

21:52:07 mircea_popescu: dude the ignobel this year has been utter bs.

21:54:21 deedbot-: [Qntra] US Increases Fee to Relinquish Citizenship and Residency - http://qntra.net/2015/09/us-increases-fee-to-relinquish-citizenship-and-residency/

21:54:39 mircea_popescu: to no-ones surprise.

21:54:55 mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens

21:55:00 mircea_popescu: and they riot because they don't want it .

21:56:31 mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins.

21:57:00 mircea_popescu: more like 10 actually.

21:58:13 mircea_popescu: next one will probably be 10k ish.

21:59:28 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/taxG5ec.png << ahahaha win.

21:59:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ioPj )

22:00:19 mod6: haha

22:01:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which results in sqrt n tang

22:01:22 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:14:06; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278541 << this is actually a fairly deep problem, and, afaik, unsolved

22:01:22 mircea_popescu: le factor, which also limits to infinity.

22:01:33 mircea_popescu: a classical problem where saving state is more expensive than dealing with consequences.

22:03:06 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278891 http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/18/emily-blunt-apologises-for-poking-fun-at-her-american-citizenship

22:03:06 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 21:54:55; mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens

22:03:07 assbot: Emily Blunt apologises for poking fun at her American citizenship | Film | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OklHp8 )

22:03:14 mircea_popescu: (cables usually tangle by the plug/unplug cycle. not always, but the same process is at work in "tangling a trodden coil" etc.)

22:05:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278582 << this happens to be how provability works too!

22:05:09 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:30:41; ascii_field: the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage

22:05:27 mircea_popescu: to prove properties of the system === to express them in a language with nil expressivity.

22:15:20 punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc

22:15:56 punkman: (just ignore that unfinished thought in the middle there)

22:18:12 mircea_popescu: actually the gpg specification is so miserable, a code prototype in the way of bitcoind as an intermediate step to rescuing the standard and restating it properly is prolly unavoidable.

22:20:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278592 << i am unpersuaded by this proposition.

22:20:31 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:34:15; mats: anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation

22:21:26 mircea_popescu: program verification is much more about making sure the program doesn't bypass your gate by going behind your back than about making sure it doesn't smuggle undesirable items through your gate.

22:21:54 mircea_popescu: this attempt to reduce program verification to input verification can'treally be regarded in any terms other than, "an attempt to further entrench the deals going behind your back".

22:22:57 mircea_popescu: tellingly, when the romanian politicians benefitting from cigarette contraband wanted to protect their revenue source, they passed legislation to curtail border police arrest powers in the marshes and bought them expensive detectors for the border points.

22:23:11 mircea_popescu: which they had to spend a year+ learning how to use.

22:23:37 mircea_popescu: thus in early 2000s, in spite of a 10x increase in border police budget (mostly eu sponsored), the quantity of actual contraband jumped 10x.

22:25:06 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 6.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b10

22:30:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00076877 = 27.4835 BTC [+] {5}

22:30:57 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/

22:34:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278610 << the view is valid, if mats is curious of my position. nobody cares about the actual "names" / "careers" involved, as per the pseudoscience article, they can be safely ignored. the important point however is that while usg spends a lot of money on "research", the expenditure is PREDICATED on it being "research", ie, not actual research. it is perhaps true that on

22:34:16 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:12; ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this.

22:34:16 mircea_popescu: e equipped with infinite patience may find isolated useful items in that outpour. it is necessarily true however that such finds won't be worth the expense. this is not coincidental - consider the earlier discussion as to how we distinguish usg disinfo from genuinely interesting items. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266663 etc.

22:34:16 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 21:38:00; mircea_popescu: obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure.

22:35:01 mircea_popescu: so, usg-"earth sciences", usg-"computer security", usg-"womens studies", usg-whathaveyou are in fact actually worthless.

22:35:19 mircea_popescu: they're less than worthless if you're the sort of fellow who proceeds naively, and will spend his (limited) time trying to make sense of the nonsense.

22:35:44 mircea_popescu: but, at a certain age, say before 30 or so, this sort of waste is actually wise and to be encouraged, because it is in fact how men become men.

22:36:15 mircea_popescu: so i don't think ~you~ are wasting your time digging through the shitpile. you aren't. don't expect us to do it tho, because we would be wasting our time.

22:39:07 mircea_popescu: (and it would be actually worse an outcome if one were to just pretend agreement with alf, or me, and imagine himself the better of some kid who disagrees or doesn't agree and goes ahead to waste his time.)

22:44:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278613 << climatologism looks particularly bad because it was so egregious. none of the people involved were any good at any point. the fact that the usg has managed to marshal the equivalent of local mcdonalds supervisors into "science" is really very much calked off the soviets' "here's this apprentice shoemaker who is our expert biologist". it has no known equivalent o

22:44:32 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:51; ascii_field: the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good.

22:44:32 mircea_popescu: utside of the ~EARLY~ naive attempts at "a purely soviet science". early, naive attempts eventually disowned by the politburo itself once russia was richj enough to not be frighteningly poor anymore.

22:45:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278621 << i wouldn't be too worried about that.

22:45:40 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:52:02; mats: or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated

22:45:46 mircea_popescu: the reverse'd be more worrying.

22:46:08 mircea_popescu: but that aside, honest discussion is not troublesome.

22:52:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278635 << if you're so inclined, the push to make men sexually insecure as a sort of "celebration of womanhood / millitant feminism victory" etc was also exactly it. and the fact that you must spend a full day looking for edibles to find enough edibles to get you through a day. and everything else.

22:52:05 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:00:03; BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this

22:52:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does.

22:52:30 mircea_popescu: BECAUSE YOURE FUCKING POOR OVER THERE.

22:53:43 BingoBoingo: Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks

22:55:26 BingoBoingo: In other news http://thevalleyreport.com/2015/09/05/overweight-man-mistaken-for-woman-ticketed-for-exposing-breasts-at-beach/

22:55:28 assbot: Overweight man, mistaken for woman, ticketed for exposing breasts at beach | The Valley Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1iooxfx )

22:55:29 BingoBoingo: Puritans

22:57:54 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278653 << well since this ended up in pete's blog... obviously you can make a formal http spec and parser. mongrel had a spiffy one. but then inside we have html, xml, jpegs, mp4s. who's gonna do langsec on libstagefright? on gnupg?

22:57:54 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:13:51; punkman: so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP?

22:58:39 mircea_popescu: jpeg is actually specifiable. that it hasn't been...

22:59:56 punkman: in soundbites http://langsec.org/occupy/

22:59:57 assbot: Occupy Babel! ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIIyuu )

23:00:59 punkman: https://github.com/mongrel2/mongrel2/blob/master/src/http11/http11_parser.rl << mongrel's http parser in Ragel

23:01:01 assbot: mongrel2/http11_parser.rl at master · mongrel2/mongrel2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIIFX2 )

23:04:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278658 << and why would they be. the correct thing for a research paper to end in is "more research needed" not "forget about this, it's solved."

23:04:13 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:16:42; ascii_field: no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome.

23:05:55 mircea_popescu: and re the "heckler's idea of conspiracy" : it is not the proposition that the usg consists of some evil overlord petting a cat buried under concrete somewhere while tons of mindless drones to the biddings without complaint. nor is the proposition that a secret conclave of shaved heads secretly meet at my pillar every 5th wednesday.

23:06:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00076927 = 12.693 BTC [+] {3}

23:06:24 mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence.

23:07:00 mircea_popescu: the proposition that they would be more than willing to blow up the world before they'd take their naturally inferior place in the hierarchy of the world is not so far off.

23:07:31 mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant.

23:07:51 mircea_popescu: do not work for a stupid man, nor for a man that works for the ultimate benefit of stupid people. this is the whole of the law.

23:09:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog).

23:09:29 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:18:00; ascii_field: but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu.

23:09:54 mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine.

23:11:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00076768 = 20.5738 BTC [-]

23:12:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278679 << no, he has a point, if he wants to find work he benefits from having... how the fuck did that go

23:12:46 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:31:54; ascii_field: the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet.

23:13:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277920

23:13:05 assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 18:36:25; ben_vulpes: from the lulzmine: "Do specialized systems include enhanced security measures consistent with risk analysis?"

23:14:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278682 << there is a difference between "not interested", like say someone who wants to play the flute, and simply doesn't care about the stuff you discuss ; and "know better", as in, people who ARE very much interested in the KIND of thing you discuss, who have evaluated it and come to the conclusion it's a big fat 0. those are not "not interested". they were interested.

23:14:53 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:32:59; mats: maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research

23:16:32 btcdrak: *sigh* https://forum.bitcoin.com/

23:16:43 mircea_popescu: remarkably enough i can't readily figure out a topic b-a would be strictly not interested in. we've discussed art philosophy and history, and matters of identity and forgery, and child rearing and car design and gender identity and indian mysticism and scholarship thereof and of course geopolitics and finance and often enough plumbing and pest control.

23:16:47 mircea_popescu: all this within the past... month ?

23:17:01 mircea_popescu: i doubt there is anything that is actually beyond our interests' reach.

23:18:04 mircea_popescu: lol rogerver and bitcoinceo ?

23:18:06 mircea_popescu: must suck.

23:19:49 cazalla: btcdrak, what is so sigh?

23:20:48 cazalla: if i were ver, i'd redirect the site to whatever the 2015 equiv of goatse is and tell all the redditors with ideas of how bitcoin.com should actually be used to go fuck themselves

23:20:50 btcdrak: as if ver's shitty use of bitcoin.com wasnt enough, now they create an XT circlejerk forum to mislead even more people.

23:21:14 mircea_popescu: btcdrak he got "assets" suich as a worthless domain name and gotta make rent

23:21:22 mircea_popescu: you're thinking of exactly the opposite situation.

23:21:29 mircea_popescu: uh i mean cazalla

23:21:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's nothing wrong with xt scamcoin folk having as many forums as they can stand.

23:22:15 btcdrak: ver is sitting on enough bitcoins to make mtgox customers whole... which he should do given his video supporting them in summer of 2014...

23:22:19 mircea_popescu: dogecoin-esque "PR" of the ilk of "hey, our forum is better than your forum because domain name" serve them well.

23:22:29 mircea_popescu: btcdrak what makes you think that ?

23:24:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278693 << which is why he wasn;t asking you, i bet :D

23:24:57 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:44:13; ascii_field: to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these.

23:25:05 cazalla: a lot of people seem to think the domain name is actually a community asset

23:26:03 mircea_popescu: those people are idiots.

23:26:18 mircea_popescu: it's no more a "community asset" than a bitcoin balance. it has a specified owner.

23:26:41 mircea_popescu: there is obviously the ever present cattle tendency to centralize. but that is NOT a good reason to centralize.

23:26:46 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278860 << took maybe 5 seconds of looking at it, for me

23:26:46 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 21:31:10; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc

23:26:51 mircea_popescu: it doesn't need a centralized name more than it needs a centralized ledger.

23:27:35 cazalla: asciilifeform, i just thought it interesting that the guy found the specific clock on ebay

23:27:50 asciilifeform: cazalla: i sorta assumed it was his folks'

23:28:02 mircea_popescu: (THAT is the true altcoin killer. people proceed lazily to imagine that hey, just as money is called euro in eu and dollars in the us, there may be a future with bitcoin and litecoin etc. no, no it may not. money is money, and yes you can call it x in x and y in y, but they are ON THE SAME BLOCKCAIN. euro and dollar settle in the same place.)

23:29:11 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278893 << usg actually ~respecting~ the renouncements, bought at whatever price, is a joke

23:29:11 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 21:56:31; mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins.

23:29:13 asciilifeform: why would it?

23:29:30 asciilifeform: which is why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817452

23:29:30 assbot: Logged on 31-08-2014 18:41:22; asciilifeform: 'escape' means there's a missile battery (or, at the threadbare minimum, 24/7 death squad) standing between usg and you.

23:29:58 mircea_popescu: aha.

23:30:16 mircea_popescu: i always thought the jews staying behind were incomprehensible.

23:30:29 mircea_popescu: i still think they were stupid. but i am starting to ~understand~.

23:30:31 asciilifeform: usa is not guarded berlin-style, it is guarded butugychag-style - 'the food is inside this wall. the bears, outside.'

23:30:40 mircea_popescu: so ?

23:30:49 asciilifeform: i can get on a motherfucking plane tonight if i wanted to. but i don't want to.

23:30:50 mircea_popescu: since when did "human life" become your highest value ?

23:30:54 mircea_popescu: aha.

23:30:55 asciilifeform: it doesn't.

23:31:19 asciilifeform: 'food' shorthand for 'things lacking which might as well eat the bullet now vs later'

23:31:29 asciilifeform: [insert old thread here to save time]

23:31:31 mircea_popescu: always take the later.

23:31:37 mircea_popescu: that's how you end up with a son. ask cazalla .

23:32:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278899 << if the aggregate still flexes, it too will tangle! supposing that it is long enough.

23:32:10 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:01:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which res

23:32:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278709 << that's ok, when it goes below indiancandy i'll say something.

23:32:23 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:15; mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping.

23:33:29 cazalla: mircea_popescu, could've been a daughter if God really wanted to punish me

23:33:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278910 << there is a good chunk that can be thrown out (things not implemented in classical gpg) but after this you still have a steaming pile of shit.

23:33:56 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:15:20; punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc

23:34:18 asciilifeform: the more i work with this thing, the less i like it.

23:34:32 punkman: all roads lead to rewriting gpg

23:34:33 asciilifeform: and the fewer bits i see as salvageable.

23:34:40 asciilifeform: punkman: not merely rewriting.

23:34:41 asciilifeform: reinventing.

23:34:46 punkman: yeah that

23:34:46 asciilifeform: as in 'v' re: versionatronics.

23:35:32 Naphex: https://xotika.tv/#/channel17/RoyalTiffany 2 girls 1 channel :)

23:35:34 assbot: XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1dSZG )

23:40:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278715 firstly, and most importantly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223732 and secondly, most interesting dialogue, not here but in both the livresque as well as actual history of the world, was between two people.

23:40:22 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:49; mats: 10/10 times it is just alf and i.

23:40:22 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 04:04:02; mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue

23:40:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278958 << bestest ever summary.

23:40:27 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:06:24; mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence.

23:40:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278962 << linked in the thread, even

23:40:45 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog).

23:40:56 mircea_popescu: yeah got to it eventuyaly.

23:41:33 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278960 << the answer, if there is one, is some practical means of saying no that doesn't reduce to 'eat bullet' or 'eat tree bark'

23:41:33 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:07:31; mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant.

23:42:19 mircea_popescu: no.

23:42:28 mircea_popescu: that is pointedly no sort of solution

23:42:36 asciilifeform: i didn't say there ~was~ answer...

23:42:37 mircea_popescu: once that is on the table the problem moves from being ethical to being technical.

23:43:03 mircea_popescu: ethics is specifically the system of inquiry specializing in questions which end up with bullet or treebark.

23:43:18 asciilifeform: think of the analogy to vegetarianism in re: their pursuit of synthetic meat.

23:43:29 mircea_popescu: hm ?

23:44:30 asciilifeform: at least some vegetarians appear to take an interest in 'cell culture meat' as a way of giving the yet-unpersuaded a softer nut to crack on the path to conversion

23:44:52 mircea_popescu: but i eat meat specifically because it is a murdered animal.

23:44:57 asciilifeform: not partaking in this particular variety of crackpottery, i cannot comment further, but it is logical from their pov

23:45:06 mircea_popescu: i'd eat vegetarian, really, if i could hunt it anywhere.

23:45:12 asciilifeform: l0l

23:45:33 mircea_popescu: here's to hoping they move to africa and live in a commune.

23:45:49 *: asciilifeform in basic agreement with the housecat formula, 'if it eats only plant matter, it ~is~ food'

23:46:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278964 << the way it works, is, approximately, every data structure is treated as something quite like a blockchain.

23:46:45 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:54; mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine.

23:46:48 asciilifeform: this gets heavy, quickly.

23:46:59 mircea_popescu: it does, but still, is a tiny niche.

23:55:30 asciilifeform: my other objection is that the ~implementation~ usually ends up being ludicrously complex and not-at-all fitsinheady

23:55:46 asciilifeform: for instance, i've been surveying implementations of standard ml

23:56:12 asciilifeform: the champ in re: fitsinhead appears to be, mega-unsurprisingly,

23:56:14 asciilifeform: moscow ml.

23:56:18 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2950

23:56:19 assbot: JL: The Mighty Duck ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1fMcU )

23:57:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278740 <<< AHAHAHA EXAM TAKERS!!! o lordy.

23:57:22 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 19:02:42; kakobrekla: >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards.

23:57:33 mircea_popescu: think of the poor engineers who had to design and put this thing in.

23:57:37 asciilifeform: (what's moscow ml? this - http://www.itu.dk/~sestoft/mosml.html )

23:57:38 assbot: Moscow ML Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1fS49 )

23:57:41 mircea_popescu: this is how you ruin industry.

23:58:09 mircea_popescu: by forcing smart people to do stupid things.

23:58:23 mircea_popescu: their balance is very fragile. most of their life is spent trying to distinguish stupid anyway.

23:58:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like a chinese class where just one kid is expelled for cheating, the interesting story is the ~unwritten~ one concerning why him and not the other 99 flimflammers

23:58:31 mircea_popescu: once you rape that tiny pore, they're useless.

23:59:03 mircea_popescu: see alf, gauss and newton didn't have to deal with THIS particular problem.

23:59:13 asciilifeform: know what else they didn't have to deal with ?

23:59:21 mircea_popescu: yet the same libertard fucktards, or at least the five step removed early ideologists/jesuses of the movement,

23:59:29 BingoBoingo: Well the engineering trade off of putting a turbo charger in a vehicle is you can increase the fuel economy or power, but the NOx emmisions must increase too

23:59:35 mircea_popescu: deeply understood the problems catholic church posed to science via galilo and bruno.

23:59:42 mircea_popescu: just... somehow it's been lost.