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00:26:22 BingoBoingo: https://hackaday.com/2015/12/17/a-scam-of-galactic-proportions/

00:26:25 assbot: A Scam of Galactic Proportions | Hackaday

00:26:40 BingoBoingo: "But the White House got its figures from this website which admits, after much public scrutiny that followed getting picked up by the White House, to have gotten the math wrong by a factor of one hundred! We?re looking at much more like $8.1 quadrillion."

00:28:59 BingoBoingo: !up harrymoreno

00:31:23 pete_dushenski: lol 'factor of one hundred' is OVERestimate

00:31:59 pete_dushenski: which'd be the strict inverse of sop for mega-projects a la death star

00:32:17 pete_dushenski: or, y'know, a la real mega-projects

00:32:33 BingoBoingo: Mebbe USG priced it with plans to actually take delivery, hence bezzle markup?

00:32:36 pete_dushenski: eg. three gorges

00:33:08 pete_dushenski: politicians don't think in terms of delivery, they think in terms of re-election and passing-the-buck

00:33:28 pete_dushenski: bureaucrats idem

00:35:23 pete_dushenski: for usg to think that way for death star would be like han solo, in the middle of a fire fight, sitting down to pen a phd thesis on whether or not he should pull the laser trigger

00:36:08 *: pete_dushenski to dinner. cheers !

00:41:07 *: BingoBoingo thinks there is a difference between dam and "superweapon". Sure F-35 gets to be boondogle. Drones? Get delivered.

00:43:28 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/hRMAQ0A.jpg?1

00:43:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NABcVz )

00:44:48 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345740 << at this point even children in zimbabwe likely know that not only does usg record every phone call in nato reich, but has been doing so since hdd platter cost fell to where it was economically feasible. but the portable mitm gadgets are for something else

00:44:48 assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 23:45:23; pete_dushenski: based on alf's repeated references to gsm as 'toy crypto', i don't think he maintains any delusions about cell phone security

00:45:50 asciilifeform: they are partly so that local police precincts can join the party, partly to administer off-the-record rootkit installations, and partly for usg to circumvent own red tape ('parallel construct')

00:52:13 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345478 << you forgot something quite important in there...

00:52:13 assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 16:05:12; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1JMRZYT

00:52:14 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:54:55 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1345765 << defective pic. the chick is still shaped quite like a human woman

00:54:55 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 00:43:28; BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/hRMAQ0A.jpg?1

00:55:38 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Photopaint, same one from https://i.sli.mg/i1LvVj.png

00:55:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXaMk2 )

00:56:26 BingoBoingo: There is a rabbit hole, or mebbe gravity well to fall into

00:56:58 asciilifeform: as i understand there is an inflection point where they can no longer walk much

00:57:15 asciilifeform: and after that, fatten to death

00:58:05 asciilifeform: according to dan mocsny's articles, normally there would be a feedback effect long before death where the afflicted would no longer be able to get food and would begin to grow thin

00:58:22 asciilifeform: but on the other hand, if an 'enabler' turns up

00:58:34 asciilifeform: and feeds/wipes arse/supplies money/etc

00:58:39 asciilifeform: then disease progresses.

00:59:15 asciilifeform: partly the role of 'enabler' is played by the cheap personal auto in usa

01:00:24 BingoBoingo: This one is crashing into inflection point.

01:03:42 asciilifeform: ;;isup fraudsters.com

01:03:46 gribble: fraudsters.com is down

01:07:53 shinohai: http://www.kcci.com/news/sheriff-shoots-his-own-hand-rushed-to-er/37012186? ♭♪ "I shot the Sheriff ..." ♫ ♬

01:07:54 assbot: Sheriff shoots his own hand, rushed to ER | Local News - KCCI Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1NACWhv )

01:08:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey listen, is there a russian source for this http://poeziisiversuri.blogspot.com.ar/2012/06/poezia-ariciul-imparat-otilia-cazimir.html ?

01:08:36 assbot: Poezii și versuri: Poezia Ariciul-împărat - Otilia Cazimir ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAD00V )

01:08:50 *: asciilifeform digs

01:10:02 mircea_popescu: also http://dpaste.com/2832R4R lol

01:10:03 assbot: dpaste: 2832R4R ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXtF6q )

01:10:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ty

01:10:37 asciilifeform: and afaik there is no ru transl in public lit

01:11:07 asciilifeform: or waitamin...

01:12:14 asciilifeform: what's the vintage on that poem

01:12:26 mircea_popescu: 50s

01:13:10 mircea_popescu: was mostly curious if she translated on the sly some previous ru text

01:15:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: upon reading, seems almost certain. but i haven't the smoking gun in cache

01:15:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152475 @ 0.00048446 = 73.868 BTC [-] {6}

01:16:04 mircea_popescu: hm.

01:16:18 mircea_popescu: well if it occurs lemme know.

01:16:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 935790 @ 0.00048945 = 458.0224 BTC [+] {26}

01:16:50 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1737 @ 0.00097238 = 1.689 BTC [-] {5}

01:17:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239400 @ 0.00049243 = 117.8877 BTC [+] {8}

01:18:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258401 @ 0.00048595 = 125.57 BTC [-] {5}

01:19:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145841 @ 0.00049381 = 72.0177 BTC [+] {5}

01:20:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://pikabu.ru/story/iz_serii_quota_ktonibud_pomnitquot_och_mnogo_mata_598966 << closest thing i turned up

01:20:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXuZGC )

01:20:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 221750 @ 0.00048435 = 107.4046 BTC [-] {6}

01:20:55 asciilifeform: (variations on a theme)

01:21:09 mircea_popescu: pikabu.ru hahaha

01:21:23 asciilifeform: some n-chan knockoff

01:21:30 asciilifeform: the poems are recited from '80s childhoods

01:21:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85700 @ 0.00048871 = 41.8824 BTC [+] {4}

01:22:27 mircea_popescu: kogo kogo, kosaya blyad hjaha not bad.

01:22:29 mircea_popescu: but notrly.

01:22:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 597830 @ 0.00048793 = 291.6992 BTC [-] {12}

01:23:21 deedbot-: [Qntra] Fake Star Wars Torrents Already Popping Up On Trackers - http://qntra.net/2015/12/fake-star-wars-torrents-already-popping-up-on-trackers/

01:23:58 BingoBoingo: Also Know as Qntra tries clickbait even though we stopped counting clicks

01:26:22 mircea_popescu: we're no longer cunting clicks ?

01:26:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw it wurks, about to start the terraform

01:27:06 mircea_popescu: enjoy.

01:27:11 asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu !

01:27:22 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not since quantcast ate one too many leaded paint chips

01:27:43 mircea_popescu: but that was counting! this is my lame cunting joke!

01:28:12 BingoBoingo: Oh, yeah. We don't cunt clicks either. We click cunts.

01:29:04 mircea_popescu: teh c-lick!

01:32:29 BingoBoingo: ofc

01:32:31 mircea_popescu: "implying mastery of people seems both inappropriate and ill-founded" ?!

01:33:03 mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck are they smoking over in the socialist republic of cambridge

01:35:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345648 << the real problem there is simple : what with all the tsa "ensuring everyone's safety", the cost of capital goods in the field fell to reflect the utility drop of the whole industry.

01:35:46 assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 21:41:35; pete_dushenski: "New 777-200ERs sold for $170 million 10 years ago. Factory-fresh versions list for $277.3 million before the discounts that are customary in the industry."

01:36:14 mircea_popescu: pre-tsa a dollar was worth a dollar, and an airship capable of taking a few hundred people across the atlantic was worth a coupla hundred million dollars.

01:36:15 asciilifeform: boeings fly outside of usaschwitz though

01:36:31 mircea_popescu: post-tsa, a dollar is worth ten cents, and same exact airship is worth... ten million.

01:36:37 asciilifeform: ah well that yes

01:36:42 mircea_popescu: that's a 99.5% drop of value in 20 years.

01:36:59 mircea_popescu: just about par for the course for "government helped you"

01:37:21 asciilifeform: i'd like to see what the floor is

01:37:45 PeterL: so you can grab one to use as rocket?

01:37:53 mircea_popescu: you have already seen the floor. a bunch of hungry people in ugly cheap suits moving flimsy paper around, with stamp ink shortages, as in moscow 1985

01:37:53 asciilifeform: or as a house

01:37:57 asciilifeform: (like one schmuck)

01:38:08 mircea_popescu: or a bunch of hungry chinese "courtiers" doing exactly the same, pre-british invasion

01:38:54 BingoBoingo: history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mircea_Popescu

01:38:54 assbot: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXwN2n )

01:39:22 PeterL: which book is it where Baba Yaga ends up living in an airplane? I think is was an Orson Scott Card thing?

01:39:22 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ancient ?

01:39:40 mircea_popescu: lol trivial. wut ?

01:39:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: yes, that one. Because nevar forget.

01:39:52 mircea_popescu: i've been in "every mainstream media" like they say. whatever the fuck that's worth.

01:40:11 mircea_popescu: (nothing, but people keep going on about the success it denotes or something)

01:40:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'never forget' has flipside - you're incrementing the buggers' refcounters

01:40:29 asciilifeform: keeping odin's great garbagecollector from doing its wurk

01:40:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wikipedia's finally getting garbage collected ?

01:40:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But don't we need to track how many pinecones to plant in order to grow stakes?

01:40:59 asciilifeform: not at this rate !

01:41:46 mircea_popescu: heh

01:43:34 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWc4KF5U8AA-hwF.png:large << wait, this self-parodic "Office of Equity, Diversity and Inclusion" thing actually exists ?

01:43:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IX8tO7 )

01:43:42 mircea_popescu: just how dumb are the sjws ?!

01:43:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: exists, see the graphic this one was parody of

01:44:18 mircea_popescu: what does it do, weep whenever i say nigger ?

01:44:27 asciilifeform: expels folks ?

01:44:31 mircea_popescu: hahahaha what@!

01:44:51 asciilifeform: well they do a 'here's a chance to recant' thing first iirc

01:44:54 punkman: asciilifeform: i'd like to see what the floor is << http://assets.bwbx.io/images/iCqkkHL4zA6A/v2/-1x-1.jpg

01:44:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXxnwT )

01:45:37 punkman: oh forgot 3 boeings in malaysia, fuck it I'll get new ones

01:45:56 asciilifeform: punkman: that's not a floor. any more than the 7+ abandoned houses on my street are a housing price floor

01:46:34 asciilifeform: (each and any one of them would still be 'worth' multiple 100K if anyone were to want to live there)

01:46:47 asciilifeform: bezzlatron prevents price from falling past floor.

01:48:38 mircea_popescu: so bizarre that "the people" would want to "occupy wall street" instead of citizen deed themselves into any vacant property.

01:49:18 mircea_popescu: that would be revolutionary, and disrupting and whatnot : have a social media outlet where people can give themselves deeds for abandoned property, and everyone signs.

01:49:33 BingoBoingo: Don't we have that already?

01:49:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no usg deed, no city hookups

01:49:48 asciilifeform: dig latrine.

01:50:08 asciilifeform: and wtf is a 'citizens deed'

01:50:11 asciilifeform: no such animal in usa afaik

01:50:22 asciilifeform: there are 'squatting laws' but they are written in such a way as to virtually NEVER apply

01:50:24 mircea_popescu: what do you mean "no such animal" ?

01:50:31 mircea_popescu: it just appeared.

01:50:35 asciilifeform: aha then dig latrine

01:50:57 PeterL: what are they gonna do, block your sewer?

01:51:06 mircea_popescu: mno. because once an OVP movement shows up, the company either does the hookup or gets burned down.

01:51:10 asciilifeform: also the local police appear rather quickly (city inspects specifically for signs of squat)

01:51:13 asciilifeform: at least where i live.

01:51:16 mircea_popescu: OVP!\

01:51:19 asciilifeform: watched it happen, even

01:51:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52450 @ 0.00048334 = 25.3512 BTC [-]

01:51:36 mircea_popescu: occupy vacant property.

01:51:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe you just need a worse neighborhood?

01:51:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~i~ don't need this for anything.

01:51:58 PeterL: my sister-in-law has squatters living across the street from her

01:52:14 punkman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Homes

01:52:15 assbot: Occupy Homes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1k5IwA9 )

01:52:25 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about less drafty workshop? Or Farm?

01:52:37 asciilifeform: punkman: looks more like a 'prevent foreclosure' thing

01:52:46 asciilifeform: punkman: which is to say, defend the 'rights' of deadbeat 'buyers'

01:53:07 punkman: tomato, tomato

01:53:38 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and what would make the workshop mine vs belonging to the fella with one more rifle on his side ?

01:53:40 punkman: plenty of these movements in europe

01:54:03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: recall, i'm not mircea_popescu and do not have an army

01:54:16 asciilifeform: i'm not even home much.

01:54:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, time to start introducing larger stray cats.

01:54:56 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski http://dpaste.com/2GDF3YB

01:54:58 assbot: dpaste: 2GDF3YB ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXyhts )

01:55:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why is this discussion about you ?

01:55:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't, was answering subthread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1345900

01:55:23 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 01:52:25; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about less drafty workshop? Or Farm?

01:55:36 mircea_popescu: punkman note the "concept squatting". they're specifically NOT doing the right thing.

01:55:51 mircea_popescu: alf would suspect this is deliberate. maybe it is. maybe they're just as dumb as a box of rocks.

01:55:58 asciilifeform: it sure as fuck was deliberate

01:56:12 asciilifeform: i went to one of the posh parties the 'ows' useful idiots had among their own number

01:56:16 asciilifeform: in the $maxint district of dc

01:56:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.00048332 = 25.471 BTC [-] {2}

01:56:31 asciilifeform: whole thing stank in no subtle way.

01:56:34 mircea_popescu: at any rate, the idea isn't to " attempts to prevent the foreclosure of people's homes". for one thing, you don't try, you do. for the other thing, you take every bit of real property the bank "owns" away from the bank.

01:56:40 mircea_popescu: fuck wallstreet, it's just a street. nobody cares.

01:56:43 mircea_popescu: take their houses.

01:56:54 punkman: http://planet.squat.net/

01:56:56 assbot: . .. … + * + ::: Okupa! ::: & ::: Squat! ::: – * – ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXyrkm )

01:56:58 mircea_popescu: aha.

01:57:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a point when he says this is common in europe. it is.

01:58:00 asciilifeform: aha recall kakobrekla's thread re: the burglar ?

01:58:07 asciilifeform: the one with riiiighttzzzz!!111

01:58:43 mircea_popescu: aha

01:59:57 punkman: http://squatting-manual.squat.net/ and to go with that http://q13fox.com/2014/08/26/attorneys-squatters-in-vacant-homes-here-can-be-evicted/

01:59:58 assbot: How to squat ! | Many manuals for smooth and silent squatting ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXyFYM )

02:00:00 assbot: Squatters getting tips on occupying vacant homes right off the Internet | Q13 FOX News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXyFZ0 )

02:00:12 punkman: right off the internets!

02:00:24 mircea_popescu: internet. not just for torrents.

02:00:29 mircea_popescu: YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A HOUSE.

02:00:37 asciilifeform: 'i would if i could motherfuckerz'

02:00:44 mircea_popescu: well... they got a manual.

02:00:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345698 << is #b-a a theocratic hellhole by the same standard ?

02:00:59 assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 22:25:37; ascii_field: tibet - originally a theocratic hellhole that makes medival catholicism look tolerant and economically +ev - is today a usg-maintained 'antichina'

02:00:59 punkman: sorted by country

02:01:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm unaware of anybody stuck in a dungeon or starvation peonage in #ba

02:02:01 mircea_popescu: that's funny.

02:02:32 asciilifeform: '?It?s not surprising to me that people publish stuff on the Internet. It?s surprising to me that people are reading that and assuming it?s true. The notion that you can just break into a house and pay a cable bill or two and somehow establish a right of ownership ? that is false,? said Loeffler.' << lulzy, reminiscent of mircea_popescu's 'sovereign citizen' article

02:02:51 mircea_popescu: how can a convention be false ?

02:03:14 mircea_popescu: it's a fucking convention. the notion that you walk in and it's yours is neither falser nor truerer than the notion you say hi to a girl and she takes you to her place.

02:03:19 asciilifeform: in the same way the 'sovereign citizen' thing

02:03:29 asciilifeform: i.e. the sheriff gets a call and the tanks come out.

02:03:33 mircea_popescu: yaya

02:03:41 mircea_popescu: until they don't.

02:03:45 asciilifeform: until.

02:03:55 punkman: or maybe you come out with the tank first

02:04:01 mircea_popescu: tanks are only useful if not used. they're the police equivalent of nuclear weapons.

02:04:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, they make a point of trotting them out in parade even

02:04:24 mircea_popescu: i dunno why everyone acts like this 300 old bit of wisdom (in french) is novel.

02:04:24 asciilifeform: just like sov nukes

02:04:25 mircea_popescu: !up renart

02:04:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obviously.

02:04:35 ben_vulpes: !up renart

02:04:43 renart: no need, mircea_popescu.

02:04:54 renart: but thank you.

02:05:03 mircea_popescu: what is this, socialism ? need ain't a consideration comrade.

02:05:11 renart: ho ho ho

02:05:36 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you saw punkman's application ?

02:06:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345714 << tracks are optimized for power. as opposed to speed.

02:06:17 assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 22:50:33; adlai: fwiw treaded vehicles (military or otherwise) routinely get trucked to the scene

02:07:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345735 << i should probably comment a little on this, seeing how i very much doubt anyone outside of actually fxing banks knows what all this is.

02:07:41 assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 23:24:37; pete_dushenski: " Argentina's peso plunged more than 26.5 percent on Thursday, after the country's new government floated the currency as part of a slew of free-market reforms aimed at revitalizing the stagnant economy."

02:08:37 mircea_popescu: so : argentina has many problems, economically, all of which reduce to "it's a country of 40mn useless douches, of which ~10 mn pretend to live like they saw in various imported tv shows, while the country is unfit to even export raw meat, so it lost those contracts and is now exporting soy"

02:09:53 mircea_popescu: the government has for many years run it very badly. specifically, instead of borrowing in europe and then pumping those resources into development in the huge provinces (argentina is much larger than europe), it borrowed in europe, squandered most of it for supporting the pretense of dumbass, worthless middleaged women, and a tiny sliver on buying cheap food for poor people to turn out the vote.

02:10:16 mircea_popescu: part and parcel of all this, a LOT of empty peso printing, creating immense piles of worthless pesos sloshing around.

02:10:52 mircea_popescu: because the stupidity of a typical argentine is only matched by his pretentiousness, this worthless paper issue did not result in much devaluation of the currency

02:11:25 mircea_popescu: instead, it mostly went into a game of real estate musical chairs. everyone in buenos aires is a lawyer though nobody practices , and everyone owns property, which they keep trading to each other at ridiculous valuations.

02:12:22 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the contact points with the outside economy are controlled as well as they can be (they can't be - most of the local trade is in the hands of the chinese, who own the proud but stupid argentine. whenever i want to move dollars, or to dispose of any other actyual economic or poltiical matters, i talk to an asian person. no exceptions. i wouldn't break a date with han because macri called, sort of thing)

02:12:50 mircea_popescu: now, the scam they had going was that they were paying the farmers 9 pesos to the dollar they got for the soy. because farmers are hostage, what are they gonna do, buy their own tanks ?

02:12:59 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the free rate in the black market was ~16.

02:13:12 mircea_popescu: this means the farmers were paying 50% tax on top of all the other taxes.

02:13:32 mircea_popescu: new government decided this nonsense can't caqrry on, and wants to liberalize the dollar. this, logically, would make the price drop.

02:14:31 mircea_popescu: specifically : if say peasants sell 1bn dollars worth of soy, and get 9bn pesos for it ; whereas dumbass middle aged women spend 100mn dollars on shoes and perfumes because they don't wish to admit to me they're subhuman, for which they pay 1.5bn pesos,

02:15:01 mircea_popescu: should the damned thing liberalize the new price would be 1.1 bn dollars matching 10.5bn pesos, or roughly speaking... 10. a 40% drop from it's black market rate of 16.

02:15:20 mircea_popescu: this is why it's always a good idea to liberalize : the price on the black market ALWAYS drops as a result.

02:16:10 mircea_popescu: (this was counterintuitive to the grunts doing money changing in the street, we had a good laugh over steaks about it, when discussing venezuela's plans to the same thing. after it played out they decided i was a god. because hey, why admit you were wrong when you could think the guy who's right is simply supernatural)

02:16:41 mircea_popescu: NEVERTHELESS : in argentina, because of the immense real estate bezzle, and a 50 to 150 bn worth of inexistent real estate value that is looking to evaporate,

02:17:00 mircea_popescu: i would estimate liberalization takes the peso to 25ish. that's 30% up not 40% down.

02:17:06 mircea_popescu: taking questions.

02:20:02 asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel

02:21:17 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1345983 << whatever happened to sov ruble-style devaluations ?

02:21:17 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 02:16:41; mircea_popescu: NEVERTHELESS : in argentina, because of the immense real estate bezzle, and a 50 to 150 bn worth of inexistent real estate value that is looking to evaporate,

02:21:30 mircea_popescu: the russkis are dumb, but not proud.

02:21:36 asciilifeform: seems like just what the doctor ordered tho

02:21:43 asciilifeform: snip a zero or two.

02:22:05 mircea_popescu: it wouldn't do anything. the glut that has to unwind is rela estate, not cash.

02:22:21 mircea_popescu: and it will unwind. it must, currently everyone here thinks themselves MUCHricher than they are.

02:22:29 mircea_popescu: as a result they misperceive their incentives and lose out.

02:22:32 mircea_popescu: see poster discussion yest.

02:22:38 *: asciilifeform begins to grasp

02:22:42 asciilifeform: they gotta starve

02:22:50 asciilifeform: and sell the flats for a week's meal

02:22:55 asciilifeform: a la 1992

02:22:56 mircea_popescu: pretty much.

02:23:05 mircea_popescu: except they won't starve. nor would it do anything, it doesn't help the proud

02:23:18 asciilifeform: didn't help? rinse, repeat

02:23:30 mircea_popescu: but when they discover they can't afford both underwear AND stockings, THAT is wqhen the stupid women running the show start getting open plam slapped across the diner table.

02:23:37 asciilifeform: though didn't they have an episode in 2001

02:23:38 mircea_popescu: which IS exactly what argentina needs.

02:24:25 *: renart looks forward to buying flats in args for a weeks worth of local wages

02:24:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hafta understand, it's not russia. it has no industry. AT ALL. it's one large farm.

02:24:43 mircea_popescu: what hruschev wanted to make of ukraina IS actually what the brits made of argentina.

02:24:52 mircea_popescu: where you from renart ?

02:25:06 renart: run a whois on this nick yet?

02:25:12 mircea_popescu: mnope

02:25:44 renart: ah jesus i thought freenode's nick grouping actually worked

02:26:04 ben_vulpes: c'est moi

02:26:09 mircea_popescu: aok

02:26:12 asciilifeform: renart: unlikely that anybody who uses word 'wage' to describe his money will afford so much as half a flat in ar

02:26:14 asciilifeform: ever

02:26:15 mircea_popescu: it's renard you know

02:26:20 asciilifeform: american speculators will snap it up.

02:26:29 asciilifeform: (folks with serious dough)

02:26:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, you're behing the curve. the chinese will.

02:26:50 renart: mircea_popescu: http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXC8dfkgaY40MW7HKL88rY8OZFkAj5S8ieEYNBR92OPANlaNB8

02:26:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T4YIO8 )

02:26:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00048672 = 29.6899 BTC [+]

02:27:01 mircea_popescu: american speculators will get fucked in the ass, publicly, and write their senator to complain

02:27:03 mircea_popescu: via change.org

02:27:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha likely

02:27:21 asciilifeform: but at any rate it won't be me or renart or any other wage worker

02:27:35 mircea_popescu: it could be, if you lived here.

02:27:44 renart: wage worker, huh?

02:27:44 mircea_popescu: but otherwise... no. you ain't got an angle.

02:27:52 asciilifeform: how does living there change the game ?

02:28:10 asciilifeform: price tag is price tag

02:28:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345742 << quite.

02:28:17 assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 23:48:37; BingoBoingo: Murican Poverty: "Big Mamma is your ideal customer. Yes, she might eat an entire rotisserie chicken while her children devour a box of snacks. But not only will I look the other way, I?m willing to pay some retarded white guy $10 an hour to clean up her mess. She is the cash bomb. No customer, not Bill Gates or the Dyke Queen of West Germany spends as much money on retail food as Big Mamma. This is not

02:28:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no such thing as "a price tag". this is an ex-post-facto calculation.

02:28:49 mircea_popescu: similarly, there is not such a thing as "what it takes TO bed beautiful women".

02:29:01 asciilifeform: but i don't get how living there gives you an edge

02:29:03 asciilifeform: when bidding

02:29:21 asciilifeform: and in an anarchodegringolade, squatters would just take whatever

02:29:49 BingoBoingo: Have to be there to be first with rifle on scene

02:29:54 asciilifeform: platoon

02:30:20 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but i don't get how living there gives you an edge << obviously you never lived in new york. ask mike_c

02:30:28 mircea_popescu: living there gives you an edge.

02:31:06 asciilifeform: but an edge that is bigger than the financial edge chinese gov has over a usaschwitz peon ?

02:31:34 mircea_popescu: of a different kind.

02:32:10 mircea_popescu: "is a jagers unit more valuable than a cavalry unit ?"

02:32:14 mircea_popescu: depends, yo. got anything to charge ?

02:32:55 asciilifeform: the thing about living there is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-12-2015#1343796 . it'd be spiffy except that i'm an instant candidate to ~join~ the folks selling their flats to buy food

02:32:55 assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 19:39:41; ascii_field: well i'd happily move if i were 1337 enough to take the gradient, rather than BE the fuel

02:33:27 mircea_popescu: gotta build yerself a castle, mr wannabe margrave lord.

02:33:30 asciilifeform: trying to inhabit a mircea_popescu gedankenexperiment is rather like trying to fly a martian ship with cockpit built for a man with seven arms

02:33:40 mircea_popescu: ahbahaha

02:34:00 mircea_popescu: no more shiva ?

02:34:16 asciilifeform: shiva has many arms but they're only good at lifting massless things

02:37:50 mircea_popescu: "Supermarkets cannot stay open in extensive urban ghettos for multiple reasons. It might also surprise you to know that supermarkets that do not embrace a catering/restaurant program [which is expensive] do not thrive in upscale locales. You might be able to keep the doors open?but forget a profit. People with money make their food purchases at restaurants. You didn't buy that stunning piece of plastic surgery to hav

02:37:50 mircea_popescu: e her tits melt in the kitchen, did you?" <<< aaactually... yes, i did.

02:38:05 mircea_popescu: but yeah, the supermarket model is on its way out - and thanks fucking god. it was stupid.

02:38:53 mircea_popescu: "Basically, supermarkets just provide local jobs. The CEOs of grocery chains are among the lowest paid of their kind." << exactly. government clerks.

02:39:28 asciilifeform: sov institutions are not any different by virtue of being lifted up and dropped on other side of atlantic

02:41:35 mircea_popescu: "There is no requirement to buy ten, but raising retails from 89-cents to 10 for $10 increases sales from a case to a pallet on most items, when you have the right customer base..." << which reminds me of a point i wanted to make. yo ben_vulpes it's pretty dumb to offer grunt 30. offer 28.75. for one thing, it makes it look like real thought went into all that precision, and the sort of dickless imbecile he is will spe

02:41:35 mircea_popescu: nd more time trying to figure out why than argue with you about it.

02:41:55 mircea_popescu: the more important thing is the issue of [stupid] brains and thresholds. 30 is just above one, makes him feel like he's worth more.

02:42:10 mircea_popescu: 28.75 is just below one, makes him feel like he's fucking lucky to get there.

02:42:54 mircea_popescu: moreover, if you raise 30 to 32 in negotiation, he'll deduce h's worth 100.

02:43:10 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, if you go 28.75 to 29.45 he'll deduce he's lucky to get 15.

02:43:54 mircea_popescu: and yes asciilifeform, part of why mp is not hiring is that mp despises how stupid people actually are, and can't seriously work with the sort of idiots.

02:43:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hourly wage with >1 significant figure is declasse in usa

02:44:09 mircea_popescu: pff.

02:44:24 asciilifeform: just a piece of koooltooral trivia.

02:44:37 mircea_popescu: unless classee IS PAYING YOU, like the fucking tsarist nobility was being paid by the fucking tsar to participate,

02:44:41 mircea_popescu: nobody ain't got any time for it.,

02:45:05 asciilifeform: also if i had to guess, mr. 30 did not negotiate.

02:45:10 asciilifeform: that class of folks typically doesn't dare.

02:45:19 asciilifeform: just happy to eat.

02:46:03 asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu aint' gotta hire anybody if he doesn't want to. but it ~is~ possible to hire nonstupid people

02:46:25 mircea_popescu: no. it is not possible to hire nonstupid people. the very definition of hiring includes "i am too dumb to live"

02:46:52 asciilifeform: ah i almost forgot that i were too dumb to live, eh

02:46:55 asciilifeform: carry on

02:46:57 mircea_popescu: all you can do with nonstupid people is partner, which is why this entire all-consuming "start-up culture"

02:47:06 mircea_popescu: under all the dumbass kid crud, there's a good reason.

02:47:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm certainly not hiring you wtf. that'd be sad.

02:47:51 asciilifeform: ah no not mircea_popescu

02:47:55 ben_vulpes: lol asciilifeform as pet

02:48:00 ben_vulpes: what a sight

02:48:00 mircea_popescu: fancy that.

02:48:05 mircea_popescu: he'd have to wear the fancy hat, too.

02:48:07 asciilifeform: just in abstract, i do wurk as a hired man

02:48:26 asciilifeform: was hired quite recently by new $firm, start in ~week

02:48:31 mircea_popescu: well hopefully you grow out of it.

02:48:34 asciilifeform: aha.

02:49:36 mircea_popescu: What is more, this lady has poor impulse control, exasperated by her once a month windfall, << exacerbated, exasperated, what the hells the difference!

02:49:59 ben_vulpes: !up renart

02:50:36 renart: mircea_popescu: i don't think http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/17/9750890/rdio-shutdown-pandora made it to your shartup postmortem list

02:50:38 assbot: Why Rdio died | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1T50DlZ )

02:50:38 *: asciilifeform will be doing some pretty odd work, involving maths

02:50:56 mircea_popescu: possibly not, i only skimmed.

02:51:28 asciilifeform: exasperbated >> masturabated from exasperation ?

02:51:36 renart: frusturbation

02:51:43 asciilifeform: ...exasperated from masturbating?

02:52:56 renart: exhausturbation <<using CO

02:53:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo had a photo

02:53:32 BingoBoingo: Which one?

02:53:37 asciilifeform: the truck-fucker

02:53:38 BingoBoingo: I had lots of photos

02:53:41 BingoBoingo: Aha

02:53:47 mircea_popescu: " Its secret: free on-demand streaming, supported by advertising. By contrast, Rdio required a paid subscription."

02:53:53 mircea_popescu: why the fuck do they stick the "marketing" in there ?

02:54:09 mircea_popescu: no marketing was involved. lizard king of ustardia threw the dart, picked one that gets the free shit for free

02:54:17 mircea_popescu: everyone else gotta pay retail, and who;'s gonna pay retail ?

02:54:43 asciilifeform: related, 'grooveshark' (similar) was in the corpse list

02:54:49 punkman: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/copyright-tribunal-slaps-pandora-with-20-percent-rate-increase/

02:54:50 assbot: Copyright tribunal slaps Pandora with 20 percent rate increase [Updated] | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1T511Re )

02:54:50 asciilifeform: and iirc the owner offed himself

02:55:01 asciilifeform: (or nailgunned, take yer pick)

02:55:12 asciilifeform: !s grooveshark

02:55:13 assbot: 6 results for 'grooveshark' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=grooveshark

02:55:17 mircea_popescu: da fuck is a "copyright tribunal"

02:55:33 asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/07/grooveshark-cofounder-dead-at-28/

02:55:34 assbot: Grooveshark Cofounder Dead at 28 | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1T5167r )

02:55:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is particularly a difficult industry for me because i never listen to the radio ; i never commute ; if i do i use a towncar and have live people to talk to ; etc.

02:56:02 asciilifeform: (resembled 'pandora', but was ~searchable~ - just type in the name of whatever, song, band, etc. and it plays. no ads. no business model...)

02:56:16 mircea_popescu: so ?

02:56:21 mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i care.

02:56:35 asciilifeform: no reason other than previous link being a similar thing

02:56:52 mircea_popescu: yeah i know, i'm just deploring my own sad situation here.

02:57:13 *: mircea_popescu perceives absolutely no value in any of these. last i had any interest, it was a winamp install. 20 years ago or so ?

02:57:14 *: asciilifeform 's commute for past ~year consists 100% of http://www.radiozvezda.ru by weight

02:57:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T51d39 )

02:58:22 asciilifeform: ^ mostly literature, history, militaria

02:58:28 asciilifeform: ~ru national~ station incidentally

02:58:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30677 @ 0.00048332 = 14.8268 BTC [-]

02:58:36 asciilifeform: imagine such a thing in anglo world

02:58:43 asciilifeform: last was what, bbc circa 1950s ?

02:58:49 mircea_popescu: even 1980s

02:58:54 asciilifeform: possib

02:58:58 asciilifeform: bbc foreign service.

02:59:00 asciilifeform: for ru listeners.

02:59:11 asciilifeform: and probably not that either.

03:00:35 mircea_popescu: "White female managers usually end up with nervous breakdowns and are not as effective as men, but are 100% loyal and never steal, ever. This is the backbone of any retail food staff, white chicks. Work her until she breaks and get another."

03:00:44 mircea_popescu: this is a PARTICULARLY insightful piece from lafond guy huh.

03:00:53 mircea_popescu: might be the most competent thing i read all week on the open wwwbs.

03:02:49 mircea_popescu: "Black female managers are rarely effective and steal at 50%?fully half of the ones I have worked with being confirmed thieves." << lioness hunting for the clan as opposed to the ball busting harpy gioving herself and everyone else aneurisms. makes sense, huh.

03:04:59 mircea_popescu: "Women, white and black, who do not qualify for management, are usually not worth anything on the staff, and generally steal at about 20%, with lower paid working black girls less than half as likely to steal as their management counterparts, and white girls on staff infinitely more larcenous than the white girls in management. I won?t even try and explain this, as it boggles my mind." it doesn't boggle my mind any.

03:05:00 mircea_popescu: seems pretty obvious.

03:05:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81450 @ 0.00048332 = 39.3664 BTC [-]

03:06:36 mircea_popescu: i guess it boggles his mind because it makes a point he doesn't wish to hear. anyway, race has exactrly nothing to do with it : woman can either be my slave, out to carve your empire into the dust, or one of the empire's own aspirationally-vacuous wastes of flesh, brigading social media so that maybe it has some effect on reality.

03:30:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00048332 = 25.4468 BTC [-]

03:51:19 mircea_popescu: "We?ve spent last few years building Wishberg as a default destination for users to share their wishes & discover more interesting wishes from people around the world - things to do, things to buy, travel, adventure, experiences and so much more. The journey has been beautiful, exhilarating, exciting with lots of learning for all of us."

03:51:24 mircea_popescu: dude... get the fuck out already.

03:51:42 mircea_popescu: you hung around shitty office space and derped on the internet. learned ~nothing.

03:57:49 mircea_popescu: so intel reports that medium.com is headquartered at 760 market st, sf. just like "dropbox" and pretty much every other ycombinator scam / "entreprenize" to date. so therefore "why are all these derps with failed 'business ideas', 0 experience, 0 awareness, 0 clue on medium.com ?" "oh, because ycombinator told them to".

03:57:52 mircea_popescu: #totallynotacult.

03:59:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21880 @ 0.00048324 = 10.5733 BTC [-] {2}

04:00:57 BingoBoingo: lol

04:05:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66300 @ 0.00048496 = 32.1528 BTC [+] {2}

04:13:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30545 @ 0.00049129 = 15.0065 BTC [+]

04:27:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yc is (or was until quite recently) an 'inpatient' cult

04:27:41 asciilifeform: as in, not only did folks get $15k or whatever creditcard-level investment for, what, 20% cut, but had to ~live~ in the compound

04:31:52 asciilifeform: attn kakobrekla et al: zoolag going down for maintenance, next ~8hr or so

04:31:56 asciilifeform: starting now.

04:33:45 mod6: thx for the heads up

04:36:32 asciilifeform: also it had about 5GB free

04:36:39 asciilifeform: and will need new ssd soon-ish.

04:37:25 mod6: ah. cool.

04:37:28 asciilifeform: currently functioning node is bucephalus, and also mircea_popescu's

04:38:13 mod6: IPs on wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes are up-to-date right?

04:59:07 ben_vulpes: !up renart

04:59:41 renart: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-18/humans-are-slamming-into-driverless-cars-and-exposing-a-key-flaw

04:59:42 assbot: Humans Are Slamming Into Driverless Cars and Exposing a Key Flaw - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfL05y )

04:59:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:59:51 renart: 2x the human accident rate

04:59:56 renart: it'll never come down, i tell you

05:00:51 renart: just like ubuntu, totally adequate for 94% of use cases, and entirely inadequate for the remaining 6%

05:01:08 renart: but you know your taleb and tail risk right?

05:01:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00049201 = 8.9546 BTC [+] {2}

05:03:23 renart: Google is working to make the vehicles more ?aggressive? like humans << were it not for drag-induced inefficiencies this'd result in 80 MPH highways the typical "$500 dollar car" owner'd not be able to cope with, much less get insured to drive on

05:05:05 danielpbarron: !up harrymoreno

05:06:46 danielpbarron: with any luck they'll program those cars to move out of my way when i come up behind them in the passing lane

05:12:21 BingoBoingo: http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2015/12/15/lets-see-the-red-stuff-or-the-green-stuff

05:12:23 assbot: Let’s See: The Red Stuff or the Green Stuff? | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfLYic )

05:16:38 punkman: I've seen those

05:19:15 punkman: http://www.wired.com/2015/12/big-tech-joins-big-banks-to-create-alternative-to-bitcoins-blockchain/

05:19:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Icw4KE )

05:19:27 punkman: "Overseen by the not-for-profit Linux Foundation"

05:19:46 asciilifeform: ahahahahaha

05:20:48 punkman: "“The current blockchain is a great design pattern,” says Jerry Cuomo, vice president and chief technology officer of IBM’s software group. “Now, how do we make that real for business?"

05:20:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00049221 = 25.8902 BTC [+]

05:22:21 asciilifeform: phreeeeee mark3t competition for candidacy to Offficial usgcoin (tm) (r) (c) !!111

05:23:35 asciilifeform: see, everybody who expected that it'd be simply commissioned from 'lockheed' or similar, doesn't understand Phreeeeedom !1

05:24:47 asciilifeform: btw, mircea_popescu, ever ask torvalds why he doesn't shutter 'linux foundation' for pissing on ~his~ trademark ?

05:25:00 punkman: "Patrick Byrne has been worried that the big Wall Street banks would “circle the wagons,” creating tech that locks everyone else out. But because IBM’s new project is open source—because anyone can use it and contribute to it—he’s pleased. He believes in more than a single technology. He believes in a big idea. “I’m not wed to bitcoin’s blockchain,” he says. “I’m blockchain agnostic.”

05:26:28 punkman: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2015/12/linux-foundation-unites-industry-leaders-advance-blockchain

05:26:29 assbot: Linux Foundation Unites Industry Leaders to Advance Blockchain Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfMYCZ )

05:27:01 asciilifeform: 'The Linux Foundation, the nonprofit organization enabling mass innovation through open source, today announced a new collaborative effort to advance the popular blockchain technology. The project will develop an enterprise grade, open source distributed ledger framework and free developers to focus on building robust, industry-specific applications, platforms and hardware systems to support business transactions. Early commit

05:27:01 asciilifeform: ments to this work come from Accenture, ANZ Bank, Cisco, CLS, Credits, Deutsche B?rse, Digital Asset Holdings, DTCC, Fujitsu Limited, IC3, IBM, Intel, J.P. Morgan, London Stock Exchange Group, Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group (MUFG), R3, State Street, SWIFT, VMware and Wells Fargo.'

05:27:25 punkman: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/gcuomo/entry/The_Force_of_Blockchain_Awakens?lang=en check out the cross promotion :P

05:27:26 assbot: The Force Awakens (Into the wild BLUE yonder!) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfN39A )

05:27:26 asciilifeform: lulzy, pretty much whole lizard committee

05:30:02 trinque: "I’m blockchain agnostic." << Bitcoin doesn't know (or care) whether you exist either.

05:30:46 danielpbarron: "There is no one blockchain to rule them all. There will be multiple implementations of the blockchain. And it will be a sin if they don't interoperate and work together."

05:31:26 asciilifeform: 'The Linux Foundation and Linux Standard Base are trademarks of The Linux Foundation. Linux is a trademark of Linus Torvalds.' << how the fuq does this work

05:31:46 asciilifeform: i cannot help but conclude that torvalds could pull this plug any time he likes

05:31:59 asciilifeform: and that his failure to do so - is complicity.

05:35:42 BingoBoingo: Spoiler alert http://qntra.net/2015/12/fake-star-wars-torrents-already-popping-up-on-trackers/#comment-83881

05:35:43 assbot: Fake Star Wars Torrents Already Popping Up On Trackers | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfNGQH )

05:35:52 punkman: OpenTransactions really missed out on selling to all these derps

05:36:03 punkman: but they didn't have "blockchain"

05:36:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00049237 = 4.4313 BTC [+] {2}

05:37:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59826 @ 0.00049248 = 29.4631 BTC [+] {2}

05:38:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108049 @ 0.00049489 = 53.4724 BTC [+] {3}

05:38:43 punkman: http://stashcrypto.com/how-it-works/ neat

05:38:44 assbot: Stash · How it works ... ( http://bit.ly/1Icx813 )

05:39:34 asciilifeform: Users can store their funds securely in our innovative and unique multisig voting pools, enabling users to perform fast, low cost, off-blockchain transactions, without having to trust anyone to hold the money! With theft-proof funds and fraud-proof receipts, our platform is the only acceptable solution ...' << wai wat

05:40:17 asciilifeform: the 'multi-sig' idiocy is clinton's key escrow plain and simple

05:40:28 asciilifeform: yes, 'they can't spend your coin' but neither can you without usg's permission.

05:41:17 asciilifeform: quite possibly, hitler is willing to settle for this.

05:43:20 asciilifeform: and notice the implicit attempt to paint actual bitcoin as non-'theft-proof' and non-'fraud-proof'

05:43:22 punkman: bitcoin vouchers will have their uses

05:43:42 asciilifeform: dildo with razor blade rose embedded will have its uses

05:44:03 trinque: speaking of clinton's day, the "ban that encryption stuff" grows to a dull roar lately in the media.

05:44:38 *: trinque wonders if they can form sentences well enough in congress to actually write a law remotely related

05:45:17 asciilifeform: trinque: this brought to you by the ministry-of-let'em-think-they-haven't-been-owned-yet

05:46:20 trinque: I begin to believe they're just targeting the intelligent outright as a matter of.. what do you call it... full spectrum domination?

05:55:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15106 @ 0.00049529 = 7.4819 BTC [+] {2}

06:18:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77938 @ 0.00049205 = 38.3494 BTC [-]

06:52:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33207 @ 0.00049315 = 16.376 BTC [+]

06:56:33 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

06:56:40 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 463.01, vol: 8536.50661148 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 456.349, vol: 7918.4791 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 463.54, vol: 17065.38512498 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 449.0, vol: 0.37 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 476.0152, vol: 82459.65750000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 464.0, vol: 62.90860505 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 444.503097, vol: 29.25204691 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

06:57:32 BingoBoingo: ;;more

06:57:32 gribble: 471.868422202

07:10:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51566 @ 0.00049315 = 25.4298 BTC [+]

07:25:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99297 @ 0.00049556 = 49.2076 BTC [+] {3}

07:26:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160545 @ 0.00049588 = 79.6111 BTC [+] {4}

07:27:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8820 @ 0.00049205 = 4.3399 BTC [-]

07:28:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32280 @ 0.00048598 = 15.6874 BTC [-] {2}

07:42:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00049462 = 6.158 BTC [+]

07:45:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86934 @ 0.00049598 = 43.1175 BTC [+]

09:21:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00049598 = 16.6401 BTC [+]

09:25:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.0004941 = 23.5686 BTC [-] {2}

09:27:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70483 @ 0.00049598 = 34.9582 BTC [+]

09:41:22 BingoBoingo: Aspies discuss real life https://archive.is/CqFQl

09:41:23 assbot: Why do some players spawn with debuffs? : outside ... ( http://bit.ly/1MkGuCM )

09:44:56 BingoBoingo: "I wish the devs were as active as they were in beta. Things got out of hand one time and all active players, save two, were permabanned over the course of a 40 day ban spree. The two remaining players survived due to a workaround and built the community back up."

09:48:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72050 @ 0.00049621 = 35.7519 BTC [+] {3}

09:54:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22912 @ 0.00049369 = 11.3114 BTC [-] {2}

10:07:54 punkman: http://spreadsheetsapp.com/img/stats.png

10:07:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwTSvb )

10:38:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22888 @ 0.0004875 = 11.1579 BTC [-]

10:40:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98000 @ 0.00049652 = 48.659 BTC [+] {4}

10:46:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00049434 = 10.0845 BTC [-]

11:09:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98150 @ 0.00049606 = 48.6883 BTC [+] {5}

11:12:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32332 @ 0.0004941 = 15.9752 BTC [-]

11:42:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87227 @ 0.00049725 = 43.3736 BTC [+]

11:47:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84450 @ 0.00049734 = 42.0004 BTC [+] {3}

11:49:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00049404 = 18.3783 BTC [-] {3}

12:35:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33921 @ 0.00049398 = 16.7563 BTC [-] {2}

12:51:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73100 @ 0.00048789 = 35.6648 BTC [-] {3}

12:56:55 mircea_popescu: !up DerpUnion

12:57:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346158 << aha. i'm aware.

12:57:42 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 04:27:41; asciilifeform: as in, not only did folks get $15k or whatever creditcard-level investment for, what, 20% cut, but had to ~live~ in the compound

12:57:53 mircea_popescu: they're actually a pretty good study into "what not to do".

12:58:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346169 << let me guess :that key flaw is that computers are chickenshits.

12:58:46 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 04:59:42; assbot: Humans Are Slamming Into Driverless Cars and Exposing a Key Flaw - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfL05y )

13:02:31 mircea_popescu: heh check it out, i was exactly right.

13:02:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346171 << no no you don't understand how government works. "it was never its fault".

13:02:48 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 04:59:51; renart: 2x the human accident rate

13:04:02 mircea_popescu: now we finally understand the deep driver behind the "it's ok to be fat in the subway, it's not ok to sit comfortably. eating doesn't cause obesity, it's genetic, notwithstanding no single "genetic" obese dude in all those auschwitz pics ; meanwhile smoking causes cancer, it's not genetic and it's especially not the sad result of all the crap industry puts in the tobacco and also mark twain didn't smoke two railcars' w

13:04:02 mircea_popescu: orth over 80 years!"

13:04:13 mircea_popescu: the real driver isn't that USG wants to favour women over men.

13:04:38 mircea_popescu: the real driver is that the USG is much more adequate to governing robots than people. that women are more robot-like than men is just biological happenstance

13:05:00 mircea_popescu: (if you have two genders and gender dysmorphisms, for any objective measure you'll have one gender closer and the other further, no matter what.)

13:10:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346186 <<< bwahahaha. mmmkay.

13:10:32 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 05:20:48; punkman: "“The current blockchain is a great design pattern,” says Jerry Cuomo, vice president and chief technology officer of IBM’s software group. “Now, how do we make that real for business?"

13:10:46 mircea_popescu: YOU are not business, schmuckaroos. WE are business. you're a quaint historical accident.

13:10:57 mircea_popescu: now get out of the way before you gotta bleed for it.

13:11:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346190 << no.

13:11:18 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 05:24:47; asciilifeform: btw, mircea_popescu, ever ask torvalds why he doesn't shutter 'linux foundation' for pissing on ~his~ trademark ?

13:11:58 mircea_popescu: punkman:

13:11:58 mircea_popescu: "Patrick Byrne has been worried that the big Wall Street banks would ?circle the wagons,? creating tech that locks everyone else out. << ever since reading all about it on fraudsters hurr durr.

13:12:08 mircea_popescu: all these original thinkers, it's a fascinating world.

13:13:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, asciilifeform, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-11-2015#1332899 and for that matter http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-10-2015#1289556

13:13:52 assbot: Logged on 28-11-2015 16:33:08; mircea_popescu: anyway, my data seems to suggest that the enemy will be pushing a fork before the decade's out. whether we at that time have a counterfork ready or not is pretty much what decides the fate of the free world.

13:13:52 assbot: Logged on 01-10-2015 08:53:51; mircea_popescu: if this keeps up ima have to fork the pisschain.

13:14:57 mircea_popescu: lo and behold, the log that nobody reads changes the world. it's not a matter of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346189 ; it's a matter of "that asshole already said something, either we move now or we're fucked, at least if history is any guide. it is."

13:14:57 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 05:23:35; asciilifeform: see, everybody who expected that it'd be simply commissioned from 'lockheed' or similar, doesn't understand Phreeeeedom !1

13:15:12 mircea_popescu: and so now they gotta make this forced mistake. all the better.

13:16:00 mircea_popescu: the war was getting expanded to "linux" anyway. fuck them and their stupid foundation, and torvalds can do exactly what sipa could have done : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-05-2015#1147837

13:16:00 assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 23:16:21; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell sipa if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, i'll rate you so you can voice.

13:16:19 mircea_popescu: ditch the idiots and come here on his own fucking motor power. i'm not going to ask him anything, the most i might do is nod.

13:16:45 mircea_popescu: time for the irresponsible, delusionally-secure "coders" to figure out they live in a world, and whether they're interested in this aspect or not is perfectly irrelevant.

13:18:43 mircea_popescu: same exact deal as for that de raadt fellow, or that auerheimer fellow, or everyone else actually.

13:22:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346203 << as far as the eventual tmsr freisler is concerned, absolutely it is. otherwise, it's just stupidity. "oh, nothing bad could ever happen to me i'm just researching". yeah, right. that is TOTALLY how it works.

13:22:43 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 05:31:59; asciilifeform: and that his failure to do so - is complicity.

13:22:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74200 @ 0.00048897 = 36.2816 BTC [+] {2}

13:24:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346206 << open transactions was basically psychopathy spread on wonderbread.

13:24:30 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 05:35:52; punkman: OpenTransactions really missed out on selling to all these derps

13:25:47 *: mircea_popescu reviewed them in 2012. the answer was, come to think of it, very much like monero's. (oh hurr durr we're visionarily important and lalaal). so i decided to give them all the time they could possibly need to figure shit out and well...

13:26:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346214 << myeah.

13:26:38 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 05:40:17; asciilifeform: the 'multi-sig' idiocy is clinton's key escrow plain and simple

13:27:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2224 @ 0.00048898 = 1.0875 BTC [+]

13:27:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346221 << seems the process they settled on is to write many thousands of pages, not as much on the theory that hey, eventually something in there will close (much like the random-wiring approach to making cpus), but moreover on the theory that then they can ACT as if it did, and you're welcome to challenge heh heh.

13:27:58 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 05:44:38; *: trinque wonders if they can form sentences well enough in congress to actually write a law remotely related

13:30:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346223 << this is exactly correct, by the way. either the recent lafond piece or else your own familiarity with the ghetto will readily inform you that police activity is not directed at preventing theft or damage, but simply at preventing the emergence of large or powerful organisations that might in any way or to any degree challenge the sovereignity of the usg itself.

13:30:10 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 05:46:20; trinque: I begin to believe they're just targeting the intelligent outright as a matter of.. what do you call it... full spectrum domination?

13:30:29 mircea_popescu: in this paradigm, it is not so important that there's mass theft or rape, just that there's no organized power behind it.

13:30:52 mircea_popescu: obviouisly if there WERE such a power, the actual damage actual working people suffered would be minimal, but this is at no point a consideration.

13:31:51 mircea_popescu: the same exact process used in "policing" the ghetto, at the taxpayer's expense but in the usg's own private benefit is also what the us military does abroad. the point isn't for iraq to functyion or not, the point is for there to not exist any gaddafi's. let the euros deal with the fallout, what, that's what the castrated suckers are there for anyway.

13:33:04 mircea_popescu: between mob-run ny, which functions smoothly and is culturally relevant and ghetto-choked baltimore, which does not function and is culturally irrelevant, the usg will pick the second every time.

13:34:23 mircea_popescu: and the chief instrument of this picking is "raising awareness". do you care that random IT offed another random IT ? no, because "hey, we only off each other". but maybe you should! if you were to care, how many wonderful things would become possible - none of which wonderful for you.

13:41:52 mircea_popescu: "Although I would say that I am reasonably well connected, have many startup CEO friends, go to events and am regularly speaking to mentors, no one ever sat down with me and systematically challenged me about the Dinnr concept."

13:41:58 mircea_popescu: bwahahah. so.then.why.bother. omfg.

13:44:13 mircea_popescu: "I really would have needed a critic who said:" /me points out to Michal Bohanes that he has published no ready means of contact. not that it matters, you'll see your name in google next you look for it. anyway : next fucking time, ask #b-a.

13:44:29 mircea_popescu: "oh, i've went to all the witch doctors i could find, none of them knew anything" "have you tried the hospital ?" "wut"

13:45:12 mircea_popescu: https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*wPLU7gDCteixEADV8NuZwQ.png << if there's a cartoon that captures this place...

13:45:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PddALi )

13:46:16 mircea_popescu: "Having such detailed feedback wouldn?t require diving into the data, but having someone spend an hour stress-testing my thinking and assumptions would have been gold dust and could have prevented a lot of effort wasted. I?m sure I?d have gotten that had Dinnr been accepted into accelerator programmes such as Seedcamp, TechStars or Wayra. But absent a full-time co-founder, we weren?t eligible for the former two

13:46:16 mircea_popescu: and narrowly missed the entry into the latter."

13:47:16 mircea_popescu: motherfucker. "this stupid shit i did never works - clearly i must do more of it. surely if 5 grand worth of advertising is a waste, 5 mn is just the ticket. obviously every article in every "media outlet" i ever read that fell within my field of competence was below stupid, but clearly the way to inform oneself is to read more fishwraps."

13:47:23 mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck is wrong with people already.

13:48:36 mircea_popescu: "No Deus ex Machina will come and challenge you in the right spots. This is why you got your own experience, both theoretical (those startup books DO help!) and practical for. You have to do it yourself."

13:49:48 mircea_popescu: right-o. because the one thing we're truly committed to, beyond anything and everything else, is that there MUST NOT BE any god in the god damned machine. what if there were and he started spewing death warrants and whatnot! no, no, gimme lukewarm mediocrity as a prior and let's see how well i do!

13:57:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346286 << from the linked turd looks rather more like an altcoin than a fork

13:57:12 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 13:15:12; mircea_popescu: and so now they gotta make this forced mistake. all the better.

13:57:35 asciilifeform: !s usgcoin

13:57:36 assbot: 6 results for 'usgcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=usgcoin

13:58:04 asciilifeform: !s taxcoin

13:58:04 assbot: 7 results for 'taxcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=taxcoin

13:58:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74000 @ 0.00049512 = 36.6389 BTC [+] {3}

13:59:22 mircea_popescu: it looks like trying to suck all the imbecile "talent"

13:59:28 mircea_popescu: you know, the kind that can't leave "the country".

14:00:02 mircea_popescu: it's stupid, but it's exactly in line with how usg is stupid, so no big surprises here. by all means, they should have 'em.

14:00:44 *: mircea_popescu is vaguely pleased that the war of the worlds is actually played out in the central ideological core of those worlds in question.

14:00:50 asciilifeform: not often do all the maggots come together to build one single maggot castle

14:00:52 mircea_popescu: if i had a goal, this'd definitely have been it.

14:01:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "fiecare pasare pre limba ei piere" being the romanian expression.

14:01:15 mircea_popescu: "every bird dies in its own tongue"

14:02:56 mircea_popescu: "For these and other such moments, for the opportunity of having worked with a fabulous team and dedicated investors, it was worth doing it all.

14:02:56 mircea_popescu: Even those miserable moments in January 2014, cycling through the icy rain to buy a single lemon, returning back to the dank cold warehouse, staring at the Dinnr backend, waiting in vain for orders to arrive."

14:02:57 mircea_popescu: heh.

14:03:25 mircea_popescu: the destruction self-imposed blindness wreaks upon the lives of the wilfully blind is a pretty sad sight huh.

14:04:57 asciilifeform: kakobrekla et al: zoolag is back. (at least until it exhausts its disk)

14:05:04 kakobrekla: cool

14:06:17 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTxmkt5WEAEVVRc.jpg << herp. i'm taking bets.

14:06:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pdg5gE )

14:06:23 asciilifeform: and iiiiinterestingly:

14:06:51 asciilifeform: bitcoind oomkilled on bucephalus on Dec 17 23:13 (EST)

14:07:07 asciilifeform: this was a box with 4GB. 88 days endurance total.

14:07:13 asciilifeform: (contiguous)

14:07:37 mircea_popescu: is this v-based or disused core ?

14:07:40 asciilifeform: v

14:07:52 asciilifeform: whythefuq would i core

14:08:17 mircea_popescu: core never gets that far. not ever.

14:08:40 *: mircea_popescu has set the goal at 30 days w/o oomkill on 16gb box, and even that took some engineering.

14:09:53 asciilifeform: bucephalus is running v-(asciilifeform spearhead press)-stator

14:10:07 asciilifeform: or hm, let me check to make sure

14:10:20 asciilifeform: so technically yes and no

14:10:37 asciilifeform: it is running same code, but built prior to first v release.

14:10:44 mircea_popescu: hehe

14:10:53 mircea_popescu: so maybe good opportunity to rebuild ?

14:10:57 asciilifeform: aha

14:13:01 asciilifeform: actually bucephalus for now will continue as is. dulap, on the other hand, will serve up fresh v+musl tonight.

14:14:48 asciilifeform: it's been a year+ and we still leak motherfucking memory

14:15:11 *: asciilifeform blows dust off alexandrescu

14:20:26 mircea_popescu: did you ever find the time to look into jurov's BN_copy/operator= stuff ?

14:21:33 mircea_popescu: !up magnus__

14:27:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. but so far not able to replicate his result

14:27:30 mircea_popescu: me either ;/

14:27:36 asciilifeform: might help if jurov actually posted his methods

14:30:27 liquidassets: To MP w/<3 https://youtu.be/bzJoNopvr_E

14:30:27 assbot: Don Juan Matus -- The 4 natural enemies of a man of knowledge - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yq0OcP )

14:30:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66118 @ 0.00049537 = 32.7529 BTC [+] {2}

14:30:56 mircea_popescu: is there a transcript ?

14:31:25 mircea_popescu: "The dating continued a couple of times more: I was definitely attracted by the innovation of the product (mining and mapping networks of Web content)."

14:31:30 mircea_popescu: holy shit the innovation...

14:33:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00049187 = 17.4122 BTC [-] {2}

14:34:44 asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2015/12/cellphone-spy-equip.pdf << cryptome still alive ? and the document is misnamed, it is a long and lulzy spy radio / survey catalogue

14:34:50 liquidassets: http://dpaste.com/1S99HCV

14:34:51 assbot: dpaste: 1S99HCV: The 4 Natural Enemies of a Man of Knowledge, by liquidassets ... ( http://bit.ly/1PdkNLn )

14:34:53 asciilifeform: rather than just cellphone crud

14:35:23 mircea_popescu: liquidassets bless you. lessee

14:39:37 liquidassets: Wheels turning...The only lease I have that I'm aware of is to myself

14:39:50 mircea_popescu: liquidassets very good. good enough to sign on, actually, even though I've not written it myself.

14:39:51 mircea_popescu: who did ?

14:40:36 liquidassets: The thing I linked?

14:41:14 mircea_popescu: yes

14:41:25 mircea_popescu: minor exceptions, such as "No. Once a man gives in he is through." << not so for a woman.

14:41:28 liquidassets: Looks like Carlos Castaneda

14:41:37 mircea_popescu: i c

14:42:13 liquidassets: Not sure where I first found it/read it, it wasn't on the internet, but wasn't a book either...

14:42:32 mircea_popescu: lol. what, was it in a dream ?

14:42:38 liquidassets: Isn't that why you teach them though MP?

14:42:45 liquidassets: teach//beat

14:44:16 mircea_popescu: complicated.

14:44:45 liquidassets: Wait,, searching for "No. Once a man gives in he is through"

14:46:14 liquidassets: Stubborn creatures but I cannot blame them...dealing with bullshit their entire lives

14:46:43 mircea_popescu: "One of the failures was clearly the will to spend all the money rather than to spend it wisely. " << ehehehe.

14:46:44 liquidassets: And it really gets interesting when you move 'out of the bedroom' and into "real life"

14:47:09 mircea_popescu: morpheus : there is no bedroom.

14:47:55 mircea_popescu: "Barcelona?s Mobile World Congress 2012: I remember seing nice pictures of nice cocktails and nice restaurants from the business developers; I remember seing lots of appointments with potential customers; I remember it ended up with no customer but a partnership; I still do not know the cost of the operation, even as a cofounder." awww.

14:48:10 liquidassets: LOL did he say that?? If not I'd like to see THAT one

14:48:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346305 << the corollary of this is that usg luuuvvvs mass theft and rape SO LONG AS it is carried out by disorganized 'brownian motion' monkeys

14:48:36 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 13:30:29; mircea_popescu: in this paradigm, it is not so important that there's mass theft or rape, just that there's no organized power behind it.

14:48:44 mircea_popescu: https://oncletom.io/2014/why-our-startup-failed/ <

14:48:45 assbot: Why our startup failed — oncletom.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pdnyfv )

14:49:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think the love and hate part are mixed in about even proportions

14:49:21 mircea_popescu: (on occasion monkey rapes patty hearst into doe-eyed submission, for instance)

14:49:24 asciilifeform: in much the same way as a hunter loves deer

14:49:28 mircea_popescu: mno.

14:49:30 liquidassets: But exactly was my point with her. She wanted it 'just in the bedroom' and eventually it got to be, well, what's this thought that your life DOESN"T reflect it...

14:49:37 mircea_popescu: in muich the same way cancer patient loves cancer

14:49:45 mircea_popescu: "hey, at least it's getting me morphine and all this attention"

14:50:03 mircea_popescu: liquidassets what her is this ?

14:50:37 mircea_popescu: "but it will necessarily kill you eventually" "yeah well... not today, buster"

14:51:23 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346307 << this is brzezinski's controlled chaos (tm). but of course dates to the ancients.

14:51:23 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 13:31:51; mircea_popescu: the same exact process used in "policing" the ghetto, at the taxpayer's expense but in the usg's own private benefit is also what the us military does abroad. the point isn't for iraq to functyion or not, the point is for there to not exist any gaddafi's. let the euros deal with the fallout, what, that's what the castrated suckers are there for anyway.

14:51:45 mod6: <+asciilifeform> might help if jurov actually posted his methods << yes, please do. you're doing good work, many thanks.

14:51:47 liquidassets: It's just a her now, a former. High maintenance, very hard to please..Constantly disappointed.

14:51:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will notice this is a desperation play (or, conversely, the result of decay)

14:51:57 mircea_popescu: nobody ever does this intentionally.

14:52:09 liquidassets: so I disappointed her, because that's what she was

14:52:44 jurov: mod6 asciilifeform yes putting it together but it needs good writeup

14:52:46 mircea_popescu: liquidassets bitchiness in females is an unerring honest signal that the male they're paired with is short testosterone.

14:52:51 mircea_popescu: perhaps this yields true in humans too.

14:52:57 asciilifeform: jurov: neato

14:52:59 liquidassets: Yep, I see it

14:53:31 liquidassets: I like to think that I'm blowing her mind right now

14:54:24 jurov: http://www.explo.yt/memgraph-fs8.png ;)

14:54:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PdoFvN )

14:55:37 mircea_popescu: jurov where's .yt again ?

14:55:50 funkenstein_: 14:30:56 mircea_popescu: is there a transcript ? <-- just so happens there is http://frass.woodcoin.org/the-four-enemies-of-knowledge/

14:55:51 assbot: The four enemies of knowledge | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1PdoRew )

14:56:15 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ neat. he produced a dpaste too.

14:56:19 jurov: mircea_popescu:it's coupla french rocks in some ocean

14:56:20 mircea_popescu: anyway, liked it a lot.

14:56:42 mircea_popescu: jurov there's clearly something there, just, we aren't finding it is all.

14:57:05 jurov: hehe

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14:59:53 mod6: <+jurov> mod6 asciilifeform yes putting it together but it needs good writeup << awesome, thx.

15:00:18 mod6: <+jurov> http://www.explo.yt/memgraph-fs8.png ;) << aha! ok, yeah, looks like you're on the trail of something there.

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15:01:19 asciilifeform: unfortunately, the graph does not say very much - a node plugged into a slow pipe will look quite like the green chart

15:01:45 asciilifeform: the desired chart is where we get a ramp and an ~eternal~ mostly planar region

15:01:56 asciilifeform: (tx pool is kept full)

15:02:16 asciilifeform: full but not overflowing omg turds everywhere !111111

15:02:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that a lot of the leaks are chained

15:02:35 asciilifeform: i'm quite certain of this.

15:02:38 mircea_popescu: if we manage to cut three chains we'll cut out twelve to seventeen different leak sources sorta thing

15:03:01 asciilifeform: i did narrow it down to tx

15:03:10 mircea_popescu: some of which aren't even permanent (ie, subtle sorts of bugs, that only leak 100kb every other six hours once maybe, sorta thing)

15:03:25 asciilifeform: ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html )

15:03:25 assbot: [BTC-dev] Results of First 'Deterministic Sync' Experiment, With Memory Consumption Plots. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKmuPH )

15:03:32 mircea_popescu: aha.

15:03:53 mircea_popescu: in fairness tho, that node never sent txn (this is in the plan, eventually, to have a sort of dust-sender just to see what it does to memory)

15:04:00 liquidassets: Thanks funkenstein_ I tried to dpaste it. the youtube must be an abridged version

15:04:43 mircea_popescu: "We granted a lot of discounts to get customers on board. For the sake of signing new and more cyclic contracts afterwards. The contracts never happened." luller.

15:05:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see ~generating~ a tx as a job for a specially-crafted box running from ROM and powered down immediately after

15:05:09 mircea_popescu: here's a hint : if the woman's not willing to suck your cock to impress you on the first date, she's not gonna be willing to suck it three years in.

15:05:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the goal in that line wouldn't be the same "make better code", just, find any holes.

15:05:35 mircea_popescu: you know, the grub2 variety.

15:06:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally a good bit of the 'startup' nonsense makes more sense when you realize that they weren't trying to get legit customers at all, but further chumps^H^H^H^H^Hinvestors

15:06:41 mircea_popescu: this is a hollow realisation.

15:06:47 asciilifeform: who like, or at least were thought to like, faux contracts / 'partnerships' etc

15:07:19 mircea_popescu: so the shaman isn't ordering the clouds to cover the sun and sprout forth rain, but instead is commanding the crows to stop eating the cloud seeds so the clouds may spring forth etc ?

15:07:20 mircea_popescu: hurr.

15:07:31 funkenstein_: liquidassets, if you have trouble finding any of the 10 books in the series let me know :)

15:07:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha!

15:07:52 asciilifeform: (only a psychiatrist could possibly care, but there it is)

15:08:09 mircea_popescu: "Intelligence is caused by big feet; obesity by genetics" lol ima end up reading this blog huh.

15:08:35 mircea_popescu: i thought large penii were caused by big feet

15:09:03 funkenstein_: lol correlated i'll bet

15:09:23 funkenstein_: saw you mention the genetic hurr durr earlier today :D

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15:09:37 asciilifeform: strangely there are, afaik, no obese penii

15:10:01 mircea_popescu: clearly you've never been a woman.

15:10:21 asciilifeform: did not say 'excessive', but 'obese' as in fat

15:10:40 mircea_popescu: here's a fun fact : about half the actual rapes (not hurr durr i'm on social media and bored) require a fourchette stitch.

15:10:59 mircea_popescu: oh. as in fat what, fat deposits on the penis ?!

15:11:03 asciilifeform: aha

15:11:10 shinohai: finally on block 378213

15:11:11 mircea_popescu: you'll get fatty liver before you get fatty penis.

15:11:30 asciilifeform: shinohai: where

15:11:53 shinohai: On my shitty node latest with mod6 's v

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15:12:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems unsurprising, sorta like the scratches on the keyhole of a lock owned by a drunk

15:13:15 asciilifeform: (as seen in one of the sherlock holmes tales)

15:13:40 asciilifeform: this re: stitches

15:15:44 mircea_popescu: no. it's that a lot of [actual] rapists have uncomfortably large penises, but also the oversexed traits to go with them

15:16:10 mircea_popescu: which is why functioning brothels kill rape [actual rape].

15:16:22 mircea_popescu: but anyway, back to castrato issues : "Waiting for customers, waiting for customers to make a decision, hoping a customer will say yes, waiting for the customer to sign the check after saying yes is a very long process. During this time, your company has to pay for expenses, costs and salaries." <<< jesus christ these people. why the fuck would you think a start-up is even a business at all if those customers are doin

15:16:22 mircea_popescu: g anything but begging you to take their money ? here's a simple rule of thumb : if your start-up is not in this position where someone somewhere perceives he can't afford NOT to pay you, it's not a start-up. it might be a business idea, perhaps, but it can not be a start-up.

15:16:22 mircea_popescu: the difference being that businesses happen at the tip of a large pushing force, such as the airbnb scam pushed by paul graham-madoff, or such as "green energy" scam pushed by president bahamas-madoff. to be a start-up is exactly opposite to this, you're alone.

15:18:43 asciilifeform: airbnb (and 'uber' etc) might fit both holes, in that they are gunning for an 'ebay' position - that of being 'the market'

15:18:48 asciilifeform: the only market for x.

15:20:32 mircea_popescu: in the sense that soviet soap was a start-up. "hey, it's this or not wash. what dove ?"

15:20:43 asciilifeform: aha!

15:20:45 asciilifeform: this or not-wash.

15:21:06 mircea_popescu: yes, americans are poor and getting poorer. yes the Ministry of Packing Cattle Tighther has a solution.

15:21:13 asciilifeform: (ftr there was nothing detectably wrong with sov soap)

15:21:20 mircea_popescu: but that doesn't make it a start-up.

15:21:26 mircea_popescu: just like "coinbase" is not a bitcoin corp.

15:21:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is. bad ph.

15:22:20 mircea_popescu: soviet soap (like cheap usian soap, for that matter) is a kind of detergent. this isn't what good soap is.

15:23:27 asciilifeform: what is soap even for if not to be a mildly basic detergent.

15:23:46 asciilifeform: and surfactant

15:27:54 mircea_popescu: !up chupachup

15:28:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha the later.

15:28:19 mircea_popescu: a detergent works by chemically stripping fat.

15:28:20 shinohai: Que chuoas chupachup

15:28:25 mircea_popescu: this is undesirable incontact with skin.

15:28:57 mircea_popescu: (mostly because the skin is not designed to protect its insides from osmotic processes driven by outside chemicals)

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15:38:19 liquidassets: We are all so young. Is there anyone here over 40? just curious

15:41:33 mircea_popescu: there's the occasional 60yo. why do you care anyway ?

15:42:51 liquidassets: Don't care really, I'd be impressed. Looking around I'd usually prefer most of them to just die already

15:43:19 mircea_popescu: on that basis ?!

15:43:34 liquidassets: On the basis that they're already mostly all dead anyway

15:44:18 mircea_popescu: by this reasoning food is "motly shit already" anyway.

15:44:55 liquidassets: I'd prefer to eat and not think of it as shit..?

15:45:51 mircea_popescu: so there you go.

15:45:53 Birdman: Well to be fair if the food had been sitting out a few days..

15:50:13 liquidassets: Previously my frustration has been with older men who think themselves a little too highly for my taste, have acquired the ability to navigate social circles/seem to have all the power, and see me as a punk kid

15:50:40 mircea_popescu: for all you know they're exactly right.

15:50:47 liquidassets: Maybe that's because I was/am

15:51:06 liquidassets: yeah exactly..

15:53:50 liquidassets: But still, if you're an old, frustrated, white, male, American, who watches Fox News and considers yourself informed, and all the young cocks blah blah, back in my day, blah blah..

15:54:05 liquidassets: Fucking have your heart attach already

15:55:07 Birdman: Some want respect for being alive longer than you, just dont give it where its not due.

15:56:18 liquidassets: Birdman and this is where I think there's an actual generational difference, the younger doesn't just automatically give it

15:56:31 liquidassets: Which frustrates the older

15:57:00 trinque: do not take the circumstances under which you grew up as universal.

15:57:18 Birdman: There is a difference between courtesy and respect, though. It might have been drilled into their heads that they deserve it, for some reason, and senses of entitlement are rampant.

15:57:36 liquidassets: It's a theme trinque see Caprica

15:58:10 Birdman: Yes, as far as America goes this is common. The fat slob brainwashee's who arent worth a damn would like to be held in high regards.

15:59:39 liquidassets: I think Birdman that it's a natural thing to want respect as you get older, especially FROM the younger. Because most younger are worthless anyway and they never got respect from their peers either

16:00:05 liquidassets: They being the older

16:00:11 liquidassets: and their wives despise them

16:02:44 Birdman: Natural as in most people will end up like that? I dont intend to grow into that situation. I cant speak for anything outside of my own experiences, but as the world with open arms accepts socialism, you can expect more unfounded entitlement.

16:02:59 trinque: you are both conflating at least two things.

16:03:42 trinque: on the one side, the moo-eyed demands of the walmart customer, and on the other, a male desire for power which - if he's worth a shit - will accumulate over his lifetime

16:03:55 trinque: and if not, he'll still want it as he'd still want sex, even if he couldn't get any.

16:03:57 trinque: and so wht?

16:03:59 trinque: *what

16:10:25 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:tumblr.com go pussy free!

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16:12:21 mircea_popescu: http://yesbigwhitecocks.tumblr.com/ << amusingly enough...

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16:14:59 Birdman: http://www.wired.com/2015/12/big-tech-joins-big-banks-to-create-alternative-to-bitcoins-blockchain/ << worth some laughs

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16:15:11 mircea_popescu: really puts into perspective all the dumbass stevensons out there, doing srs bzns on teh interwebs.

16:15:27 mircea_popescu: the internet became its own self-parody sometime in what, 1995 ?

16:16:22 mircea_popescu: Birdman yeah they've been blaring it out of all horns for a coupla days now. it makes a stark contrast to how quiet they'll be about the end results of this yet-another GTO (glorious tikrit offensive).

16:16:24 liquidassets: Birdman natural as in I felt it before when in a 'menial' job taken AFTER accomplishments I was proud of and some surecock comes waltzing in telling everyone how mommy and daddy OWN a grocery store back in Minnesota and so blah blah...And I let him get under my skin

16:17:18 mircea_popescu: liquidassets there's something fundamentally wrong about those accomplishments.

16:18:04 Birdman: If you are proud of your accomplishments you wont be threatened by anothers i guess.

16:18:33 liquidassets: LOL yeah probably...never felt too proud about them, even though I "should" because of how they look

16:18:33 mircea_popescu: more importantly, why the fuck would you be working a menial job if you've ever accomplished anything fo real ?

16:18:39 Birdman: Does it upset you some people have a better start in the world?

16:19:04 mircea_popescu: if it's cuz you feel like it, then minesotta richboy's rather funny. if he's not funny, then wtf accomplishments were they.

16:19:26 liquidassets: For fun MP and because even though it was menial it still was going to be beneficial

16:19:54 liquidassets: Birdman no not at all

16:20:02 *: mircea_popescu knew a pimp that actually had a day job - working in a mall shoe store.

16:21:11 mircea_popescu: apparently "yo bitch, wanna make some motherfuckin' money ?" works better on barefoot womenz.

16:21:33 trinque: !b 2

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16:21:44 liquidassets: health food grocery store by a college campus after graduation....most of my life has been about "PC" or at least the prospect of it..

16:21:57 mircea_popescu: what's pc ?

16:22:08 Birdman: mircea_popescu politically correct

16:22:10 liquidassets: pussy crushin

16:22:16 mircea_popescu: heh. that worked well.

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16:23:03 liquidassets: lol

16:24:22 mircea_popescu: what's "pussy crushing" anyway ? simply getting laid ? or some bizarre fetish i never heard about ?

16:25:07 Birdman: all the pc sjws are the people so repugnant that they need to claim a moral ground against pointing out their flaws.

16:26:15 Birdman: Just as all the feminists are on the unattracive side of the spectrum

16:26:30 mircea_popescu: "any flaws were god-given ; any qualities are my own" is just another rewrapping of that stale old jeder nach seinen fahigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedurfnissen cumbiscuit.

16:26:58 mircea_popescu: Birdman nonsense. i've fucked rather hawt feminists.

16:28:00 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : the grand total okcupid offering for "women < 30 > 1.70cm within the 15mn buenos aires conurbation active in the past day" is... half a dozen people. clearly okcupid's not doing advertising correctly amirite nubbins ? :D

16:28:25 mircea_popescu: and no, there isn't a local equivalent. they're just primitive souls, computers = windows ; internet = facebook ; world = argentina etc scl.

16:29:49 Birdman: Ehh maybe i mean misandrists then, feminazis. Or that you've accomplished an incredible feat.

16:29:56 liquidassets: mircea_popescu see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGWKKI2ky8w

16:29:56 assbot: We’re Being Victimized - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OAUASi )

16:31:10 mircea_popescu: honestly, i've yet to meet a woman (not mayo-gendered abominations, i've really not met any nor do i intend to) that actually hated men. there's a very mean streak in women generally, but visible with the naked eye in just some, where they truly and irationally haet beta boys, for some definition of beta that may be at first confounding.

16:31:31 mircea_popescu: but that unicorn, the woman that actually hates men, i've not encountered myself.

16:32:52 mircea_popescu: (the counter doth actually exist - men that genuinely hate women. i suspect the driver is that men are, for some inexplicable reason, actually petrified of cunt. it seems innate.)

16:32:56 Birdman: I guess the man hating isn't there, but you know, the crazy feminists who think a guy eyeing a hot girl is somehow violent and un just. They just know all too well that their sexuality is empowering, so those who lack it are intimidated. Sort of like the beta male crying for fairness with socialism or communism, but really just knows his weaknesses and cant compete in the true fair system.

16:33:31 mircea_popescu: well attention seeking behaviours are the invisible glue that keeps society together n'est pas.

16:33:34 trinque: Birdman: even that is "pay attention to me!"

16:34:11 Birdman: Plot twist

16:34:43 mircea_popescu: http://www.okcupid.com/profile/SharksAreRadical < cute 19yo, "I'll be living in Ottawa from January to May for a job, I know absolutely no one there and would love to have some friends."

16:34:44 assbot: SharksAreRadical / 19 / Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | OkCupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1OAV0rO )

16:38:46 liquidassets: Birdman females are OBSESSED with who gets to sleep with who, it's one of their shows of power that some don't give up even after high school

16:39:09 mircea_popescu: (in other news, okcupid's "ai" matching system is an utter useless pos. my own network creates usable hits with a 50% probability or better, by the 100s/day - and i didn't even KNOW i know chicks on okcupid in the first place. their crapolade made me click no about five hundred times in a row.)

16:41:24 mircea_popescu: who knew that answering a bunch of pre-made questions nobody could care less about and then trying to mechanically "datamine" them isn't as good an approach as "hey, check out X, she's exactly right for you"

16:41:44 shinohai: In today's two-scams-combine-to-become-one news: http://forklog.net/dogecoin-integrates-in-ethereum-for-application-in-smart-contracts/

16:41:45 assbot: Dogecoin Integrates in Ethereum for Application in Smart Contracts | ForkLog ... ( http://bit.ly/1OAVrSO )

16:44:04 mircea_popescu: "The promise is the following: a startup thinks it has an innovative solution. A startup thinks many other companies would pay for it.

16:44:04 mircea_popescu: However these companies made their life without you, most probably for years." << the fundamental delusion of start-up-ers is that the market is free and efficient, and therefore there exist objective measures of worth. the sad reality of life in socialist states (ie, any state that acquires through any means any measure of control on 10% of the production of the citizens or more) is that the market's distorted, and wh

16:44:04 mircea_popescu: atever exists is at best a paraeconomical concern surviving more on ideological fit than in satisfying objective measures. what, if "customers" are dissatisfied with the usg food or pills dispensaries they'll do what exactly ?

16:44:26 mircea_popescu: shinohai they've been working doubletime to keep that thing afloat. pretty lulzy.

16:45:11 mircea_popescu: "They will most likely not eat out of your hand if they can perceive you need them at first." << bwahahaha. they will not eat out of your hand if they perceive you need them ; and they will spend every dime they got to ignore you outright if they perceive you don't need them. so it goes.

16:45:16 liquidassets: LOL shinohai that cancer of dogecoin is in full blown metastasis

16:45:39 mircea_popescu: liquidassets just being "acquihired" into the other dying usgtron.

16:46:21 shinohai: "Hey guys, let's rake all this shit into one pile."

16:46:36 liquidassets: <heavy sigh> I'm not sure what my next move is

16:46:55 mircea_popescu: find a girl outside the states and go live with her.

16:47:25 liquidassets: Actually that's about a perfect answer as they come

16:47:52 liquidassets: workin on an exit

16:48:08 liquidassets: exit strategy i suppose

16:49:11 liquidassets: but I am happy here too

16:49:41 Birdman: Im in no position to get out either, ill see you at the camps liquidassets

16:50:12 liquidassets: Birdman there's not going to be any camps

16:50:16 liquidassets: not in our lifetime

16:51:02 trinque: no one could've ever foreseen, eh?

16:51:11 Birdman: Thing *seem* to be pretty bad, but ive only been around 20 years so I i see it all with that bias. Why do you say not in our lifetime?

16:51:18 liquidassets: lol I can read the writing...

16:51:31 trinque: don't worry about what is going to happen. you're not in a position to predict that.

16:51:46 trinque: read your betters and improve your situation.

16:51:49 liquidassets: Because it doesn't make sense; we are in such a unique position

16:52:23 Birdman: The implementation of this central banking fiat debt cycle nonsense is so new to this world. What a century its been here? How long can it really last because we all know it cant.

16:53:08 mircea_popescu: trinque in fairness, i only imagine there's gonna be camps for black ppls.

16:53:09 liquidassets: trinque true, better not to worry about what is or is not, did I really need to put an IMO?

16:53:18 mircea_popescu: !gettrust fghj

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16:53:58 Birdman: These are interesting times to be alive, that is for sure. And i have a bezzle bag so if i do somehow keep my imediate freedoms through the crash of fiat and rise of sound money my mouth will be fed.

16:54:29 mircea_popescu: this is an interesting point.

16:54:50 mircea_popescu: i suppose on a 20 to 50 year timeframe, it's drastically improbable anyone with a 1337 satoshi a day in income can possibly starve.

16:55:04 liquidassets: Birdman I say not in our lifetime because from my point of view, we win, we already won, it's just the matter of convincing Alf of this fact

16:55:12 Birdman: Though by the same logic, spending 20 USD would get me more bitcoin than the bezzle bag will ever in my lifetime

16:55:42 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1337 * 365 * 50 / 100000000 * 450

16:55:42 gribble: 109.801125

16:55:49 mircea_popescu: well... 1/5th of it, anyway

16:56:08 liquidassets: Look the culture of 'government's place is to stay OUT of the way' runs deep within America

16:57:20 liquidassets: Contemporary USAmerica, regardless of what it seems like we're going towards. What needs to happen is a little bit of pain

16:57:43 liquidassets: pain and suffering as in, shit medical care, shit food, shit everything...

16:58:16 liquidassets: USAsseters are in a very unique and interesting position

16:58:44 liquidassets: But there's literally a dozen of us

16:58:57 liquidassets: que PR

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17:04:20 mircea_popescu: "I think we had too much hesitation in the decisions about what we were able to do and on the delivered product as well.

17:04:20 mircea_popescu: I mean, who in the marketing industry is able to decode a 15K? Web graph even if it contains loads of useful informations? And that was our number #1 feature. Now, I acknowledge the graph data was essential. We should have delivered them in an more effective and practical way: spreadsheets, data views (who are the influencers, how can I contact the websites owners, recommended keywords for Facebook/Twitter/newsletter

17:04:20 mircea_popescu: s per group of users etc.). We should have sold a set of of lists with pictures, a few simplified maps and targeted howtos rather than an army-grade Web satellite radar with full control in your hands." << the conclusion we arrived at through spending 1mn euro is that people are stupid.

17:06:29 Birdman: Ill tell you that for half the price

17:07:00 mircea_popescu: in any case asciilifeform, thius is the primary driver for the stupidification of everything, and it's genuine. people are stupid. either you build your cash register as the mcdonals iconographic abomination, or they stick to doing it "by hand". like idiot argentine woman yest. i buy a carton of cigarettes, four litersd of milk and two lighters. she does the addition on paper. first she adds 80 + 260 + 18 but misplaces

17:07:00 mircea_popescu: the 18 so it's 180 now, comes to 520. i point this out. she proceeds to add them again correctly this time, and comes to 488. i refuse this alt-arithmetic too. she does it once more, hands me 82 pesos in change for my 400. i refuse this once again, hand 40 pesos back to her and leave.

17:07:16 mircea_popescu: is a proper fucking cash register better than this insanity ? well... that all depends now, dun' it. better FOR WHOM ?

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17:07:33 mircea_popescu: a length of chain, a manger and the occasional stallion visit is actually better for her.

17:08:01 mircea_popescu: but this notwithstanding, you don't need any sort of conspiracy to explain linux drift, or foss decay.

17:09:08 mircea_popescu: just... people are dumb. that's it. that's all. you gonna make something they can use or not ?

17:09:14 mircea_popescu: if you want users, you're making shit. end of fucking story.

17:09:44 mircea_popescu: the notion that userbase is a metric has got to go, this is a not-negotiable prerequisite of a world that doesn't suck.

17:10:14 mircea_popescu: course, such a world will, by and large, suck to live in. but, again, the question is, suck FOR WHOM ?

17:10:19 mircea_popescu: and the answer is "fuck 'em".

17:19:23 liquidassets: Exactly all of this MP

17:19:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00049365 = 5.3808 BTC [+]

17:22:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00049365 = 26.7558 BTC [+]

17:30:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5904 @ 0.00049279 = 2.9094 BTC [-]

17:32:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00048492 = 4.6552 BTC [-] {2}

17:34:59 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

17:40:10 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346515 << go take vacation to syria or any other pesthole where most people are under 30

17:40:10 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 15:42:51; liquidassets: Don't care really, I'd be impressed. Looking around I'd usually prefer most of them to just die already

17:40:58 liquidassets: cool when we going?

17:41:13 ascii_field: we?!

17:41:24 liquidassets: JUST KIDDING SUPER READERS

17:41:56 liquidassets: C4 Syria right?

17:42:15 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346578 <-- look, first complliment to porte?os wherewithal i've seen in this channel

17:42:15 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 16:28:00; mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : the grand total okcupid offering for "women < 30 > 1.70cm within the 15mn buenos aires conurbation active in the past day" is... half a dozen people. clearly okcupid's not doing advertising correctly amirite nubbins ? :D


17:43:29 ascii_field: ??

17:43:30 funkenstein_: ascii_field, congrats on gig changeup

17:43:46 ascii_field: funkenstein_: i haven't started yet, only signed

17:44:03 ascii_field: but ty funkenstein_

17:45:20 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346579 << quite like usa and afaik everywhere else

17:45:20 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 16:28:25; mircea_popescu: and no, there isn't a local equivalent. they're just primitive souls, computers = windows ; internet = facebook ; world = argentina etc scl.

17:45:37 ascii_field: (with various config values substituted in)

17:46:11 liquidassets: ;;gt Birdman

17:46:11 gribble: (gt <item1> <item2>) -- Does a string comparison on <item1> and <item2>. Returns true if <item1> is greater than <item2>.

17:46:32 liquidassets: !gettrust Birdman

17:46:33 assbot: Trust relationship from user liquidassets to user Birdman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=liquidassets&to=Birdman | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Birdman/

17:49:09 liquidassets: !rate Birdman -1 not very bright

17:49:09 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/13843bbff8c05cdb

17:49:34 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346648 << holy shit

17:49:34 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 17:07:00; mircea_popescu: the 18 so it's 180 now, comes to 520. i point this out. she proceeds to add them again correctly this time, and comes to 488. i refuse this alt-arithmetic too. she does it once more, hands me 82 pesos in change for my 400. i refuse this once again, hand 40 pesos back to her and leave.

17:49:41 ascii_field: i thought this only existed in usa

17:49:44 mircea_popescu: mno.

17:50:13 mircea_popescu: middle aged woman too, accomplished in fat (there's this certain rotundness of the respectable matron with prgeniture)

17:50:15 liquidassets: !V assbot:liquidassets.rate.Birdman.-1:ecc064e4af8dd2388c436ac7e6dccf98c4290a91b7b335250808814313ade9f4

17:50:15 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for Birdman with note: not very bright

17:50:17 ascii_field: though it is largely extinct in usa, pretty much nobody even dares to arithmeticize by hand

17:50:52 mircea_popescu: ascii_field my first thought upon encountering my first usians, as a 10 yo boy, was that "these people never went to school, did they ?"

17:51:01 mircea_popescu: i had never met someone up to that point who didn't longhand.

17:51:14 mircea_popescu: in fact, kids books specifically point out habarnam as "only capable of block printing"

17:51:45 *: ascii_field never learned latin longhand on account of usa schooling

17:51:49 mircea_popescu: https://habarnam.ro/aventurile+lui+habarnam/ << habarnam. readily recognized by the cultivated.

17:51:50 assbot: Aventurile lui Habarnam și ale prietenilor săi ... ( http://bit.ly/1lX1BpO )

17:53:16 ascii_field: holy fuck mircea_popescu

17:53:22 mircea_popescu: :)

17:53:29 mircea_popescu: aha.

17:53:31 ascii_field: you do know what that is, no

17:53:35 mircea_popescu: yeah.

17:53:45 ascii_field: 'незнайка в солнечном городе'

17:53:55 mircea_popescu: yup. great book too. it might be the best kids book ever written

17:54:03 mircea_popescu: this and ushinski's "povestind copiilor"

17:54:15 ascii_field: didja read 'незнайка на луне' ?

17:54:39 ascii_field: '90s ru capitalism was built seemingly using that parody as a handbook

17:54:49 mircea_popescu: http://img20.olx.ro/images_mercadorro/66505478_4_644x461_k-usinski-povestind-copiilor-edmalis-moscova-cu-ilustratii-sport-timp-liber-arta_rev012.jpg

17:54:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtIPTF )

17:55:19 mircea_popescu: haha no, i never read the sequel.

17:55:23 ascii_field: mega-b00k

17:55:33 ascii_field: possibly the lulziest children's economic-themed tale of all time

17:55:40 ascii_field: complete with stock fraud

17:55:53 mircea_popescu: it's kinda weird they wenbt with "habarnam" rather than "niznai" seeing how it's an actual bona fide ro world.

17:55:56 mircea_popescu: word*

17:58:08 funkenstein_: my second ordered for delivery today :)

17:58:18 mircea_popescu: hm ?

17:58:39 funkenstein_: well a translation "dunno and his friends"

17:58:59 ascii_field: waitasec there is an english ver ?!!

17:59:16 mircea_popescu: the original prose is very delicate, hopefully they preserved the thin porcelain quality.

17:59:20 ascii_field: and was it transled by that one brit who did everything else

17:59:25 mircea_popescu: lol

17:59:28 ascii_field: (pelevin, strugatski brothers, etc)

17:59:46 ascii_field: i think he even did volkov's mega-upgrade of 'wizard of oz' even

18:02:53 ascii_field: ;;isup fraudsters.com

18:02:57 gribble: fraudsters.com is down

18:03:01 mircea_popescu: gah

18:03:19 mircea_popescu: dude i want a payment machanism that works on par with fucking hosting.

18:03:24 mircea_popescu: that'd be great.

18:03:35 mircea_popescu: then i could pay these schmucks in almostcoins.

18:03:46 ascii_field: coins thrown with catapult

18:03:48 ascii_field: over ocean.

18:03:54 ascii_field: s0lv3d!!111

18:04:12 ascii_field: call it 'icpm'

18:04:19 ascii_field: (intercontinental payment missile)

18:04:58 mircea_popescu: but the point is that they should only sometimes work.

18:05:19 mircea_popescu: really, the only good equivalent is chocolate gold coins.

18:05:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45611 @ 0.00048971 = 22.3362 BTC [+] {2}

18:05:22 ascii_field: aha, will have radius of error, and a certain nonzero prob of explosion at launch

18:05:29 mircea_popescu: "your kids ate some of your money. literally."

18:05:49 mircea_popescu: how do you know you're stuck in the kindergarten ?

18:06:03 mircea_popescu: chocolate coins would make sense as a means of payment.

18:07:08 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:07:18 ascii_field: from the dept of l0ltr0nics: https://forums.juniper.net/t5/Security-Incident-Response/Important-Announcement-about-ScreenOS/ba-p/285554

18:07:20 assbot: Important Announcement about ScreenOS® - J-Net Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtKiJK )

18:07:29 ascii_field: 'During a recent internal code review, Juniper discovered unauthorized code in ScreenOS that could allow a knowledgeable attacker to gain administrative access to NetScreen® devices and to decrypt VPN connections.'

18:08:37 mircea_popescu: haha

18:08:47 mircea_popescu: da fuck is this "unauthorized code".

18:09:15 ascii_field: from the rumour mill, a straight backdoor

18:09:33 ascii_field: likely, nsa's 'FEEDTHROUGH'

18:09:42 ascii_field: but not 'found', naturally, but burned.

18:09:54 mircea_popescu: "during a recent random walk through the codebase in a desperate but doomed attempt to fix or at least paper over bugs we have no idea about to any degree, we discovered that our code repository is so broken half the shit in there wasn't even written by anyone we know. we'll keep pretending like we're a thing tho, because seriously, what the hells the difference anymore ? considering all the lies we've told to date, it

18:09:54 mircea_popescu: really no longer matters. oh, btw : fuck you."

18:10:20 ascii_field: http://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=JSA10713&cat=SIRT_1&actp=LIST << moar

18:10:22 assbot: Juniper Networks - 2015-12 Out of Cycle Security Bulletin: ScreenOS: Multiple Security issues with ScreenOS (CVE-2015-7755) - Knowledge Base ... ( http://bit.ly/1NtIVXy )

18:10:26 mircea_popescu: and then i'm the psychopath.

18:10:36 mircea_popescu: these nuts are fine.

18:11:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51336 @ 0.00049077 = 25.1942 BTC [+] {2}

18:11:37 ascii_field: Run Moar Usgware

18:12:24 ascii_field: 'Juniper SIRT is not aware of any malicious exploitation of these vulnerabilities.' << aahaaaa

18:12:25 ascii_field: glorious

18:12:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69100 @ 0.00049398 = 34.134 BTC [+]

18:12:42 ascii_field: the visibly-to-naked-eye pwned backbonez around the globe, apparently, do not count.

18:13:08 mircea_popescu: well, it's fraudsters that's down, not change.org right ?

18:34:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133950 @ 0.00049674 = 66.5383 BTC [+] {3}

18:45:53 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:46:20 ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al: who wants to recommend a reasonably-priced man-portable spectrum analyzer ?

18:47:35 ascii_field: something that doesn't mostly pick up ~its own heterodyne~

19:03:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66900 @ 0.00049427 = 33.0667 BTC [-] {2}

19:03:34 mircea_popescu: these are rather contrary requests.

19:03:42 ascii_field: probably.

19:03:55 mircea_popescu: what was the thing you dragged over to conf ?

19:04:13 ascii_field: that was an oscope/logicanalyzer combo

19:04:19 ascii_field: a very chinese one

19:04:29 ascii_field: 'everybody' has it

19:04:32 mircea_popescu: aha.

19:04:41 ascii_field: (iirc kakobrekla fessed up to having that specific one, even, on his bench at home)

19:05:36 ascii_field: incidentally, i never understood why a spectrum analyzer could not be a purely analogue affair

19:05:39 ascii_field: and why it has to sweep

19:05:57 ascii_field: why not simply a multitude of broad tuners attached to analogue lights.

19:06:14 mircea_popescu: what if you want a light in between ?

19:06:24 ascii_field: then you bring out the actual radio

19:06:30 ascii_field: analyzer is for survey !

19:06:49 ascii_field: and there is no 'in between', the bands ought to overlap.

19:06:54 mircea_popescu: then make your own, out of rhesistors

19:06:57 mircea_popescu: read the heatmap lol

19:08:09 ascii_field: with su shuttered, nobody optimizes this kind of tool for cheap+simple+effective

19:08:46 ascii_field: market consists solely of usgistic (costs like a car) and chinese parody (yer an audiophile and cattle and stfu buy this turd)

19:09:47 mircea_popescu: im still not sure what product you actually want.

19:10:14 ascii_field: sumthing that identifies peaks, dc to daylight, at close range.

19:10:46 mircea_popescu: and you propose to build this out of analog wide band tuners ?

19:11:38 ascii_field: yes.

19:11:45 ascii_field: imagine a 10x10 pixel camera.

19:12:02 ascii_field: could you take a decent survey of still objects in a room with it? surely

19:12:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00049748 = 27.8838 BTC [+]

19:12:47 mircea_popescu: what ?!

19:13:02 ascii_field: think.

19:13:06 ascii_field: picture a one-pixel camera.

19:13:28 ascii_field: supposing that you can orient it, it is simply a very slow means of taking a picture.

19:13:35 ascii_field: original vidicon tube worked rather like this.

19:15:20 mircea_popescu: ok...

19:15:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.00049427 = 26.5423 BTC [-]

19:16:39 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:16:44 ascii_field: the parallel with the decay of computing is actually a pretty close one

19:17:13 ascii_field: modern digital spectrum analyzer is very complex, largely to fight own interference

19:17:49 ascii_field: i often find it interesting to think about fields where this did NOT happen.

19:18:12 mircea_popescu: looky : your idea of phenomena seems inspired by an alt-reality where computer programs run on repeatable, replayable abstract machines.

19:18:13 ascii_field: mircea_popescu ever see, e.g., an old luger, or even maxim gun, taken apart ?

19:18:22 mircea_popescu: this is not even the case for fucking computers, let alone random phenomena.

19:18:36 mircea_popescu: if you're going to take "a very slow picture" with a one pixel camera, you'll end up measuring 42.

19:18:53 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: wtf, i did it

19:18:54 ascii_field: it works.

19:19:03 ascii_field: i did specify 'inside a room'

19:19:05 mircea_popescu: you did what ?!

19:19:15 ascii_field: take a picture with a one-pixel camera

19:19:18 mircea_popescu: can i see this picture ?

19:19:41 ascii_field: i'd have to get it out of the vacuum cleaner

19:19:45 mircea_popescu: ...

19:19:48 ascii_field: (consumer appliance with takes the pic every day)

19:20:05 mircea_popescu: ok, let's indulge. was there a woman in your picture with legs lazily spread apart ?

19:20:06 ascii_field: one of those things. has laser interferometer turret on top.

19:20:21 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nope. just doors and chair legs etc

19:20:27 mircea_popescu: shitty camera. next question.

19:22:31 ascii_field: http://h2hassociates.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/point-cloud-processing-CaptureMD11DS1.png << not mine. example

19:22:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NtQyND )

19:23:03 ascii_field: http://opticks.org/confluence/plugins/viewsource/viewpagesrc.action?pageId=6652735 << moar

19:23:05 assbot: View Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1NtQD49 )

19:23:15 mircea_popescu: the point here is that just like what people want to do with a camera (take pictures of woman) is not a good fit for your idea of a camera, just so what people want to do with sa is not a good fit for your idea of a sa.

19:23:20 mircea_popescu: which is why it's not getting built.

19:23:46 ascii_field: actually a top market niche for sa is 'bug sweep' and 'interference search'

19:24:02 mircea_popescu: o look at this, eulora now has 7 perople online

19:30:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.00049748 = 33.4307 BTC [+] {2}

19:38:19 liquidassets: To all current and prospective USAsseters out there, true greatness can ever rarely be punished, much less so in the US, which makes its history something to be proud of. Don't forget that

19:39:53 *: ascii_field lacks the necessary lsd to parse this

19:41:14 Birdman: ^ danielpbarron

19:41:34 danielpbarron: hahahaha <3

19:43:28 liquidassets: When it hits you alf

19:49:25 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc5jposAKS1r2cjkwo1_500.gif

19:49:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NtSZjn )

19:51:57 liquidassets: For girl on girl, pretty hot got to say

19:56:42 Birdman: yeah but its still dykeish

19:57:23 Birdman: <liquidassets>For girl on girl, pretty hot got to say << implying most girl on girl isnt normally hot?

19:57:55 liquidassets: amiwrong?

20:00:17 Birdman: Ehh yeah, and besides two girls w/o strap on > two girls w/ strap on

20:00:32 liquidassets: notrly

20:09:53 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:10:06 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: did anybody ever bother to do the keyserver thing ?

20:10:26 mircea_popescu: not afaik.

20:16:46 adlai: ;;bc,diff

20:16:46 gribble: Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.

20:17:13 adlai: ;;bc,stats

20:17:16 gribble: Current Blocks: 389090 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

20:17:49 adlai: tidy little hop there :D

20:20:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84050 @ 0.00049723 = 41.7922 BTC [-] {3}

20:41:54 mircea_popescu: anyway, while fraudsters's down, https://archive.is/ri2ta if anyone's desperate for the content.

20:41:58 assbot: There's a one Bitcoin reward for the death of Pieter Wuille. Details below. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZeA4t )

20:52:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35678 @ 0.00049748 = 17.7491 BTC [+]

20:52:09 Birdman: I discussed with danielpbarron about how bitbet could be used to casually place hits on people

20:53:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11122 @ 0.00049773 = 5.5358 BTC [+]

20:54:44 danielpbarron: yeah apparently that's against the rules it turns out >> Then, any bet to do with breaking the law (specifically, murder, but also arson, theft, general destruction and mayhem) is a BadBet and not allowed on BitBet. https://bitbet.us/faq/#22

20:54:45 assbot: FAQ BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZfSwp )

21:00:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00049772 = 6.7441 BTC [-] {2}

21:01:04 Birdman: what q you makin ?

21:24:52 mircea_popescu: Birdman notrly.

21:25:33 Birdman: hmm?

21:25:48 mircea_popescu: or to be more precise : the only way it could be actually used makes it obvious it's being so used (same exact principle as for the pay for your tits thing : carve this hash in the guy's forehead or some shit), and it being obvious it's so being used makes it trivial for bitbet to disalow the bet in question.

21:26:30 mircea_popescu: now obviously chair warmers all across the land have no fucking idea about anything and are happy to stay dumb, so random X may pretend whatever the fuck. but that's an entirely different matter.

21:29:10 mircea_popescu: 93 bn diff huh ? epic.

21:39:25 mircea_popescu: "We thought that others would also be interested in such a feature for their website, that made it possible to sell print products from all their pictures. Therefore, we decided to build something more generic, that everyone else could use as well. The new service was called PiX?n?PaLs PhotoProducts, which helped publishers monetize their website by selling print products from images. We took care of payment, shipp

21:39:25 mircea_popescu: ing and everything else. The publisher got paid a 20% commission." <<< put their dumbass widget on your site (so provide all the leads), use your own creatives (so provide all the work), be paid a 20% COMISSION.

21:39:55 mircea_popescu: this is almost as horrible a deal as being a parent.

21:41:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32814 @ 0.00049773 = 16.3325 BTC [+]

21:48:26 mircea_popescu: http://links.net/vita/gamelayers/ << the guy's literate, at least, so maybe interesting

21:48:28 assbot: A Story of GameLayers, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1msfEDS )

21:51:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88500 @ 0.00049418 = 43.7349 BTC [-] {2}

22:10:01 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0684PPX.txt

22:10:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mshBA7 )

22:10:39 Naphex: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345434 <<< the statement should be issued sometime during this week, hopefully by 22; if that's what you're referring to

22:10:39 assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 14:26:51; mircea_popescu: "However, our growth rate did not meet our expectations, and the service does not scale as we would have expected to." aka "trying to leech of bitcoin while doing the usual fiat bullshit doesn't work."

22:12:12 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346168 << wait so 'renart' is ben_vulpes ? if so, whose side are you on man ?!

22:12:12 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 04:59:41; renart: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-18/humans-are-slamming-into-driverless-cars-and-exposing-a-key-flaw

22:12:51 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski thanks i'll see wtf this is.

22:13:12 pete_dushenski: i thought ben_vulpes was all 'auto-auto-mobiles are the footoor because bayes'

22:13:17 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sounds good

22:15:07 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1345982 << haha oh monkey brain, your search for the guy who can precisely predict the millimetres of rain that will fall on your village next season never ceases.

22:15:07 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 02:16:10; mircea_popescu: (this was counterintuitive to the grunts doing money changing in the street, we had a good laugh over steaks about it, when discussing venezuela's plans to the same thing. after it played out they decided i was a god. because hey, why admit you were wrong when you could think the guy who's right is simply supernatural)

22:15:45 pete_dushenski: btw that whole currency discussion was edifying

22:16:23 mircea_popescu: their idea was that hey, if official goes up, black market goers up THAT MUCH MORE

22:18:44 pete_dushenski: when really, the artificial gap narrows

22:19:47 pete_dushenski: http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/selling-bottled-lake-louise-air-started-as-a-joke-but-theres-actually-a-lot-of-demand&pubdate=2015-12-17 << local kids selling chinese something only we have. soon : one can of fresh mountain air for one amd fx tower with 64 gb ecc plox.

22:19:48 assbot: We talked to the Albertans selling bottled air to China — and despite all indications to the contrary, it’s not a hoax ... ( http://bit.ly/1msiIQo )

22:27:07 BingoBoingo: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8496187&cid=51144809

22:27:09 assbot: Replacement For Mozilla Thunderbird? - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBmEVv )

22:28:55 BingoBoingo: Win >> "Guys, I think the Gopher people were right."

22:30:33 BingoBoingo: adlai: Were you writing a note on this diff increase?

22:31:49 Naphex: !up CoraCrisT

22:31:54 Naphex: !rated CoraCrisT

22:31:54 assbot: You rated user CoraCrisT on 30-Nov-2015, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: XOtika.tv CEO - Handles bussiness side, press, recruiting, marketing, hr, pr.

22:32:22 CoraCrisT: hi folks

22:40:42 mircea_popescu: ello

22:41:31 CoraCrisT: ola mircea_popescu

22:45:12 mircea_popescu: you up to date with the discussion re xotika ?

22:46:52 CoraCrisT: yup

22:47:13 CoraCrisT: i lurk around here for quite some time

22:47:56 deedbot-: [Qntra] Substantial Bitcoin Difficulty Increase: 18.14% - http://qntra.net/2015/12/substantial-bitcoin-difficulty-increase-18-14/

22:47:58 CoraCrisT: also talked to Naphex about it. i stil need to see the actual contract

22:48:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79600 @ 0.00049778 = 39.6233 BTC [+] {3}

22:48:39 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai too late. If you want a beat you can't just mention diff increase in chan without dropping an encrypted dpaste full of qntra submission.

22:48:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:49:30 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai But don't worry too much there could still be another diff increase this year

22:49:30 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:50:48 CoraCrisT: i just need to study it a bit. won't take long tho

22:52:59 BingoBoingo: ;;isup qntra.net

22:53:04 gribble: qntra.net is up

22:53:38 CoraCrisT: also need to prepare the next statement.. while i get used to it

22:56:45 Naphex: alright, i'm off too bed. gn

22:57:41 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

22:57:47 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 463.03, vol: 12725.90320756 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 457.75, vol: 7984.02485 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 463.34, vol: 26644.00834379 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 395.0, vol: 9.14193304 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 474.891282, vol: 100559.51380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 467.69074, vol: 94.54804574 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 466.27999131, vol: 117.13111446 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

22:58:32 pete_dushenski: eth ticker 0.00196220 eth/btc (-5.51%)

22:58:43 BingoBoingo: ;;more

22:58:43 gribble: average: 470.854442956

22:58:52 CoraCrisT: !rate Naphex 10 most badass coder i ever worked with. his moral character & integrity are rock solid.

22:58:52 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6e69a4cb9d87138b

22:59:26 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

22:59:29 gribble: Current Blocks: 389108 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 1995 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 19 hours, 18 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

23:00:07 CoraCrisT: !gt Naphex

23:00:07 assbot: Trust relationship from user CoraCrisT to user Naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=CoraCrisT&to=Naphex | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Naphex/

23:00:28 trinque: CoraCrisT: decrypt your otp there and provide with !v

23:00:41 adlai: BingoBoingo: i'll be rooting for it... but i can't load qntra now, DNS is up to its usual reliability standards

23:02:16 BingoBoingo: Yeah, something happened right after publish was hit

23:03:00 adlai: !up CoraCrisT

23:04:02 pete_dushenski: http://people.csail.mit.edu/ranjit/papers/poker.pdf << for those who can't round up enough fellahs for a home game.

23:04:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QyDtGz )

23:04:20 pete_dushenski: "How to Use Bitcoin to Play Decentralized Poker"

23:05:44 CoraCrisT: thank you

23:09:25 CoraCrisT: !rated Naphex

23:09:25 assbot: You rated user Naphex on 18-Dec-2015, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: most badass coder i ever worked with. his moral character & integrity are rock solid..

23:11:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00049795 = 22.8559 BTC [+]

23:23:48 mircea_popescu: adlai BingoBoingo seems the very angry people managed to take the whole server down meanwhile.

23:24:11 mircea_popescu: part of operation "we're not gonna admit it, but mp's wuille assassination really fucking irked us. god damn that assole". or something.

23:24:19 adlai: anger leads to the false side of the dichotomy

23:24:31 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

23:24:41 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what does 'down' mean ?

23:24:43 ascii_field: smoking crater ?

23:25:03 mircea_popescu: lol i dunno, but nothing pings, so...

23:28:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, i think ima bring up a nigger.fraudsters.net or somesuch. be a few.

23:36:45 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> adlai BingoBoingo seems the very angry people managed to take the whole server down meanwhile. << lol year two, but some things never change

23:47:10 ascii_field: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org: << experimental programmable-versionstring patch is in test, and seen even here

23:47:43 ascii_field: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al ^

23:47:46 pete_dushenski: lithuania !

23:47:56 ascii_field: what of it

23:48:02 pete_dushenski: home of the fourth conference.

23:48:08 pete_dushenski: maybeifwhen

23:48:15 ascii_field: home of new dulap

23:48:54 pete_dushenski: well, we can all go visit him, pet him on the head, make sure he's enjoying his cage.

23:49:24 BingoBoingo: Interlude: "It's amazing to think that at 340lbs, I thought at 250 I'd be a waif. I should be able to dress like the guys in the Ambercrombie ads at 250! is something I would have thought one year ago." https://archive.is/bcz6R#selection-1637.0-1637.189

23:49:24 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:49:26 assbot: The bittersweet reality of setting goals at 340lbs. : loseit ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeEXEQ )

23:49:59 BingoBoingo: Beautiful ascii_field

23:50:06 ascii_field: in other lulz,

23:50:07 ascii_field: http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR1200/RR1231/RAND_RR1231.pdf

23:50:32 ascii_field: ( http://dpaste.com/22G3KNQ )

23:50:35 assbot: dpaste: 22G3KNQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeF8jk )

23:50:52 ascii_field: hm defective paste

23:51:36 ascii_field: nm, defective ocr

23:51:46 ascii_field: it is what it is. (bombastic usg turd)

23:51:59 pete_dushenski: lol, 'vc' was so badly abused, misused, tarred, and feathered by 'venture capitalists' aka ponzi artists that it's now taken to mean 'virtual currency'

23:55:11 *: pete_dushenski off for a drink.