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00:12:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.04999997 = 0.9 BTC [+] {2}

00:23:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC [-] {3}

00:37:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00084533 = 10.3976 BTC [-]

00:43:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 267 @ 0.00040014 = 0.1068 BTC [-] {5}

00:47:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00084537 = 2.4938 BTC [+]

00:50:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00040013 = 0.12 BTC [-] {3}

01:08:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6227 @ 0.00084533 = 5.2639 BTC [-]

01:08:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 259 @ 0.00321385 = 0.8324 BTC [+] {10}

01:10:00 KRS1: .bait

01:10:01 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/2eac9ffaf2b3b08b475c16a28ccd6622/tumblr_mpmhwsgkUq1rdn1f7o1_500.png

01:10:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00337736 = 0.1013 BTC [+] {3}

01:10:15 KRS1: unf unF unF uNF

01:11:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 75 @ 0.00339919 = 0.2549 BTC [+] {3}

01:17:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4707 @ 0.000092 = 0.433 BTC [+]

01:18:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25000 @ 0.0000943 = 2.3575 BTC [+] {5}

01:19:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00084537 = 5.199 BTC [+]

01:19:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 567 @ 0.00369034 = 2.0924 BTC [+] {15}

01:44:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.04684184 = 4.6842 BTC [-] {11}

01:48:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 234 @ 0.00399987 = 0.936 BTC [+] {6}

01:49:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25110 @ 0.00009584 = 2.4065 BTC [+] {5}

02:13:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.554 BTC [+]

02:17:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534999 = 0.535 BTC [+]

02:37:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00084537 = 7.1011 BTC [+]

02:41:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 63 @ 0.0045 = 0.2835 BTC [+]

02:42:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.55001428 = 3.8501 BTC [-] {3}

03:10:35 KRS1: .bait

03:10:36 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/26ca4062920a054824054fa97dcbc311/tumblr_mp8xl36UMB1rlo3vko1_500.jpg

03:10:45 KRS1: .bait

03:10:46 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/77058617f35c8599359f67a6877a961a/tumblr_mlrtb0RxvC1rqqzgio1_500.jpg

03:10:56 KRS1: .bait

03:10:57 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/2341e8e92f654ce66bcd213625c939a7/tumblr_mjiapjVPSv1rl5021o1_500.jpg

03:11:05 KRS1: .bait

03:11:06 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/60f02f8ae53803f4cd5bae4dd52c62bb/tumblr_mguhal3yHC1s1mcw0o1_1280.jpg

03:49:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00534999 = 0.214 BTC [+]

03:52:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9352 @ 0.00084533 = 7.9055 BTC [-]

03:59:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.0008457 = 6.8502 BTC [+] {2}

04:09:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}

04:11:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00084571 = 8.1188 BTC [+]

04:22:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+]

04:24:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00084571 = 10.9942 BTC [+]

04:29:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4847 @ 0.000097 = 0.4702 BTC [-]

04:44:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.004 = 0.14 BTC [-] {3}

04:45:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 111 @ 0.00395198 = 0.4387 BTC [-] {3}

04:47:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 712 @ 0.00391404 = 2.7868 BTC [-] {3}

04:48:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00084533 = 2.2824 BTC [-]

04:57:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.000098 = 0.49 BTC [+] {2}

05:07:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}

05:07:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [-]

05:11:11 lippoper: master

05:11:12 lippoper: .bait

05:11:13 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjv54XLIw1qd33kzo1_500.jpg

05:11:26 lippoper: lol

05:11:28 lippoper: .bait

05:11:30 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1yo25FHs31qhs5wyo1_1280.jpg

05:12:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}

05:12:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00084571 = 5.328 BTC [+]

05:12:17 lippoper: .bait what?

05:12:18 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzhlokSI8r1qzhnmco1_500.jpg

05:12:42 lippoper: wow

05:12:45 lippoper: such bait

05:15:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}

05:16:35 pankkake: artsy bait

05:16:37 pankkake: .bait

05:16:39 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28dw85scM1qducgxo1_1280.jpg

05:16:47 pankkake: she looks dead

05:16:48 pankkake: .bait

05:16:50 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1oossxxoV1qgbw1ro1_1280.jpg

05:17:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00395 = 0.1975 BTC [+]

05:17:37 lippoper: that .bait was not good

05:17:48 lippoper: .bait how better

05:17:49 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2dvgs9kCK1qfvrczo1_500.jpg

05:31:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.005 = 0.2 BTC

05:33:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04799999 = 0.24 BTC [+]

05:37:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.048 = 0.768 BTC [+]

05:41:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.048 = 0.288 BTC [+]

05:54:54 Neil: .d

05:54:55 ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 976 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.5370% in 5d 12h 7m 55s

06:00:34 lippoper: .bait

06:00:35 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/8102059c4b3812f6106011fceff6e8a0/tumblr_mrdeyhX1rr1revbiho1_1280.jpg

06:02:08 lippoper: .bait

06:02:09 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/652d10514ea3c99bd4dba13393af9d16/tumblr_mrh7efelwL1racc9so1_500.jpg

06:03:54 KRS1: .bait

06:03:55 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/32b5805831e7f10d0706dff9263ae58c/tumblr_mqqczaWOqW1qbmigqo1_1280.jpg

06:04:35 KRS1: .bait

06:04:39 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/ec076e5063d22613324f9e380defb21f/tumblr_mqzi4c0eaS1r961bco1_1280.jpg

06:04:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.048 = 0.576 BTC [+]

06:07:52 lippoper: wow

06:07:56 lippoper: such bait

06:07:59 lippoper: .bait

06:08:00 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/d13176bef861304390690dba622cd3a7/tumblr_mrfaveDLEX1r43ttjo1_1280.jpg

06:11:43 KRS1: .bait

06:11:44 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/36a06e08eb77b2e2ead1d7d44777c189/tumblr_mqv9icJo5E1rjhp2yo1_1280.jpg

06:11:51 KRS1: such fun

06:11:59 KRS1: .bait

06:12:00 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/3f7ebfc420ee51c10265ff2a254f505a/tumblr_mqgvlybP0N1rehptdo1_1280.png

06:14:45 lippoper: some of these aren't bait, just flat ass chicks

06:19:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57196798 BTC [+]

06:21:37 lippoper: .bait

06:22:11 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/2cc15ae6cf140506a6624aee87ce5144/tumblr_mrnmrpHsil1rk7pjxo1_500.jpg

06:22:31 lippoper: lol oldest bait ever

06:22:33 KRS1: LIES that is not bait

06:22:36 KRS1: .bait

06:22:37 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/4112ea1fa317bcac361ab1f31b3316d7/tumblr_mqwryriYVw1qim75wo1_500.jpg

06:22:47 KRS1: Thats bait.

06:23:16 lippoper: that looks bait certifiable

06:23:18 lippoper: .bait

06:23:19 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/5f236adf8b51e0b87be3b6da2285620a/tumblr_mp9095ubhY1qejls2o1_500.jpg

06:23:34 KRS1: fap fap fap

06:23:48 KRS1: she's got wood

06:24:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00084898 = 37.907 BTC [+] {4}

06:38:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57198899 = 1.144 BTC [+] {2}

06:44:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57196798 = 1.1439 BTC [-]

06:49:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00534999 = 0.2675 BTC [+]

06:51:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00535 = 0.2675 BTC [+] {2}

07:05:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.049 = 1.323 BTC [+]

07:11:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.025001 = 0.125 BTC [-] {2}

07:53:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00084748 = 2.8814 BTC [-]

07:55:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.02649979 = 1.325 BTC [+] {2}

07:59:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13583 @ 0.00085037 = 11.5506 BTC [+]

08:13:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5444 @ 0.00084559 = 4.6034 BTC [-] {2}

08:46:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.57391889 = 5.7392 BTC [+] {7}

08:52:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00009123 = 0.2281 BTC [-] {6}

09:00:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00084464 = 12.3317 BTC [-] {3}

09:17:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00535 = 0.535 BTC [+]

09:25:28 Neil: 1600 BTC on the 2bn now. Not sure it can get 1690 BTC for the record.

09:28:08 KRS1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2k8qjSnvS0

09:28:09 ozbot: Bad Girlfriend Lyrics (DIRTY) - YouTube

09:28:23 KRS1: .bait

09:28:24 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/8d916cddc387d97eebb11e4dab683b43/tumblr_mhycdxh7Nw1rsx13do1_500.jpg

09:28:34 KRS1: .bait

09:28:35 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/83322eb1e0ca0956a924dae96bc4dca7/tumblr_mi4e4yh4Q91qz9pzzo1_1280.jpg

09:32:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12869 @ 0.00084735 = 10.9045 BTC [+] {2}

09:40:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1252 @ 0.00083083 = 1.0402 BTC [-] {5}

09:42:20 KRS1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxqyhTZDzFg

09:42:20 ozbot: Nickelback Next Contestant - YouTube

10:20:43 BingoBoingo: .d

10:20:44 ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 949 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.9475% in 5d 9h 30m 51s

10:33:12 KRS1: hi

10:51:47 Neil: !help

10:51:47 assbot: List of commands:

10:51:48 assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}

10:51:49 assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}

10:51:50 assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)

10:51:51 assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}

10:51:52 assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}

10:51:53 assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)

10:51:54 assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}

10:51:55 assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}

10:52:44 Neil: !jd

10:52:44 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 11628 BTC profit, 37.5k BTC invested, 503.24 mio bets, 4.84 mio BTC wagered

10:52:58 Neil: hehe

11:00:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00085037 = 2.8062 BTC [+]

11:04:14 KRS1: love that site

11:17:24 BingoBoingo: Huh, Bitbet broke 12k BTC bet

11:19:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00085037 = 5.7825 BTC [+]

11:28:07 mircea_popescu: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pastafarian-minister-christopher-schaeffer-is-sworn-into-new-york-town-council-9044607.html

11:28:09 ozbot: Pastafarian minister Christopher Schaeffer is sworn into New York Town Council - Americas - World -

11:28:19 mircea_popescu: guy came to be sworn in with a calender on his head.

11:29:05 mircea_popescu: best part ? it all happened @Pomfret, which our serbian friends will love :D

11:48:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00085037 = 8.6738 BTC [+]

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12:02:47 mircea_popescu: what are you, retarded ?

12:12:23 KRS1: much iq

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12:26:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00435 = 0.2262 BTC [+]

12:55:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17695 @ 0.00084422 = 14.9385 BTC [-]

13:04:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1941 @ 0.00084564 = 1.6414 BTC [+]

13:13:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55057301 BTC [-]

13:40:03 twizt: so much affiliate spam

13:43:46 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/

13:43:48 ozbot: Most wrong and absolutely wrongest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:44:30 mircea_popescu: twizt they're kinda funny, in their warrior forum retardation. there was some dork coupla days earlier with his wave nonsense,

13:44:41 mircea_popescu: it's sort of like a petting zoo for the mentally challenged.

13:45:27 twizt: wheres a mod

13:45:54 twizt: much ban needed

13:53:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55057 BTC [-]

13:54:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00084588 = 4.4832 BTC [+] {2}

13:56:34 mircea_popescu: hardly worth the hassle.

14:07:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534528 = 0.5345 BTC [-]

14:21:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 23 @ 0.00435 = 0.1001 BTC [-]

14:45:21 bitcoin-assests: Today I share comissions based on referral activity (more active users get more) at http://bit.ly/1koQ8MZ

14:45:32 twizt: SHUT THE FUCK UP

14:47:09 twizt: ty

14:47:24 assbot: yw

14:50:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00084361 = 8.7314 BTC [-] {2}

14:54:04 mircea_popescu: lol

15:09:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00084614 = 7.573 BTC [+]

15:12:48 nubbins`: hm

15:13:32 nubbins`: wow, he actually did wear a colander on his head

15:26:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.06244998 = 0.1873 BTC [+] {2}

15:27:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.06244999 = 0.7494 BTC [+] {4}

15:40:45 mircea_popescu: "These guys worked for 10 years without pay. They have the right to have their work recognized with a diploma, which is nothing much these days."

15:41:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ever heard of the bogdanov twins ?

15:42:02 asciilifeform: nope

15:42:50 asciilifeform: or, wait...

15:43:33 mircea_popescu: the two guys that figured out the planck era.

15:44:14 asciilifeform: aha the french

15:44:26 asciilifeform: why remembered?

15:44:53 mircea_popescu: "All these were ideas that could possibly make sense. It showed some originality and some familiarity with the jargon. That's all I ask."

15:45:14 mircea_popescu: because i was having a dispute with some lambsy over hierarchy, truth and all that.

15:45:55 asciilifeform: make lambsy stuff his fingers in a mains socket. he'll learn hierarchy, truth...

15:46:04 asciilifeform: ... and power.

15:46:26 mircea_popescu: i don't want her to lose a nail.

15:48:53 mircea_popescu: anyway, how often does an onslaught against humanities constructed around the sokal hoaks end up blindised by a "o yeah ?! what about the bogdanov twins then

15:48:55 mircea_popescu: !!!"

15:49:18 pankkake: bogdanov twins are pretty much "tv scientists"

15:49:39 asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/sci.physics/KOBNOKq9FvI/ZjV8jeT9-AkJ

15:49:40 ozbot: Google Groups

15:49:41 mircea_popescu: o wait, you had them on tv huh

15:49:52 pankkake: got their phd because everyone was tired of them, and schemed to have it delivered by a prestigious school, though they had nothing to do with that school

15:50:37 mircea_popescu: i wonder what % of people are in their situation by now.

15:50:58 asciilifeform: "Igor and Grishka Bogdanov are long-time TV stars on

15:50:58 asciilifeform: french TV, with an act between science-fiction and scientific

15:50:58 asciilifeform: popularisation. I am a bit surprised that a faculty failed to

15:50:58 asciilifeform: *know* them as experts in mystifications."

15:51:52 mircea_popescu: afaik it wasn't deliberately constructed

15:51:54 mircea_popescu: no /

15:51:55 mircea_popescu: ?

15:52:11 pankkake: well, you end up having most diplomas wether you're good or not; most diplomas mean nothing. I certainly wouldn't hire anyone who has my diplomas and nothing else to show

15:52:43 pankkake: deliberately constructed?

15:52:48 asciilifeform: i'm all for a little 'lustration' of physics as a field:

15:52:50 asciilifeform: exam:

15:53:04 asciilifeform: lock candidate in a well-stocked lab, circa 1920.

15:53:22 asciilifeform: he must, say, construct a (working) triode valve.

15:53:31 asciilifeform: if he fails, he goes to Kolyma instead of physics.

15:53:46 mircea_popescu: pankkake yes, like sokal's.

15:54:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem with this is the chinese would produce numerous triode valve procuders.

15:54:12 asciilifeform: sorta like an adult version of the 'MIT battery' test.

15:54:24 nubbins`: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/casascius-back

15:54:25 ozbot: Bitcoin Mint Reopens After Nastygram From Feds | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com

15:54:28 mircea_popescu: you can probably train a well chosen monkey to make one

15:54:34 mircea_popescu: o hey.

15:54:34 asciilifeform: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ)

15:54:35 nubbins`: "But how do you know that the privkey inside matches the public key part? And how do you know the privkey wasn't copied by someone before being sold to you? This thing is far less secure than a downloaded paper wallet!"

15:54:38 nubbins`: so much comment fail

15:54:42 pankkake: it's not really comparable. sokal wanted to prove a point, they just were bad and wanted a phd

15:54:52 nubbins`: i don't have a third hand to do a triple-facepalm, so i'm using the table

15:54:58 mircea_popescu: pankkake yeah.

15:55:10 asciilifeform: you can train a monkey, yes. but the problem is to be unexpected and picked from a hat, like a soviet oral exam

15:55:37 asciilifeform: one fellow gets to make a triode, another, to measure speed of light to 1%, another...

15:55:38 mircea_popescu: so caldwell moving to "m,ake your own coin" model /

15:55:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wish to see this boat of yours.

15:56:03 pankkake: I remember when on my programming exams some studends were protesting because the things they had to solve were "new problems"

15:56:11 mircea_popescu: lol

15:56:33 nubbins`: mp, not sure why he didn't do this in the first place.

15:56:40 mircea_popescu: i recall from my days in highschool that teh womenz mostly wanted to do again and again the same stuff as likely to show up on the bacalaureat thingee.

15:56:45 asciilifeform: you could improve virtually any field, not only physics, with Extreme Muppet Removal Algorithm (TM)

15:56:51 nubbins`: "you send me x+y coins, i keep y coins, mail you shiny metal, then send x coins to your shiny metal"

15:56:53 pankkake: it was first year though, second year was much more sane

15:57:01 pankkake: but that clearly was the result of the high school mentality

15:57:28 nubbins`: plenty of forum rage, "how am i supposed to know the coins are funded! who do i trust!" etc

15:57:33 mircea_popescu: the way they packaged it at the time was that womenz get scared in unfamiliar situations and therefore must "have practice

15:57:43 nubbins`: "things are different, my thinker doesn't work anymore"

15:57:46 mircea_popescu: nubbins` course you could make your own holosticks and fdill the coins yourself.

15:58:17 asciilifeform: this hologram business, why does anyone swallow it

15:58:23 nubbins`: these new ones will still come with holos

15:58:28 mircea_popescu: shuit up. it shines.

15:58:36 asciilifeform: coping holo is 1980s tech

15:58:40 asciilifeform: *copy

15:58:42 mircea_popescu: i once put a shiny thing on my cock and it got bigger.

15:58:48 nubbins`: that was a mirror ;p

15:58:57 mircea_popescu: haters

15:59:00 nubbins`: "shit, i've got two bellheads now!"

15:59:22 nubbins`: asciilifeform: and yet the only fakes i've seen have been brutally obvious

15:59:38 mircea_popescu: did the holo say GUC ?

15:59:49 pankkake: finding the way to make cocks bigger is the sure way to becoming a billionnaire

15:59:50 nubbins`: it didn't even use the same font

16:00:03 mircea_popescu: or did you end up with the CCI end

16:00:14 nubbins`: HEH

16:00:22 nubbins`: http://casascius.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/counterfeit.jpg

16:00:56 mircea_popescu: much low quality. such shitty.

16:00:58 mircea_popescu: why no cam ?

16:01:09 nubbins`: compare to: http://imgur.com/1rJZWvV

16:01:53 pankkake: oh, it's not an original because there is no original written on it. i get it!

16:02:19 nubbins`: haha

16:02:28 nubbins`: "this hologram is not fake"

16:02:36 mircea_popescu: nubbins` there's a tshirt idea for you :

16:02:40 asciilifeform: that last one - 'casascius' vs. 'casacius'

16:02:47 asciilifeform: (middle vs. sides)

16:02:47 mircea_popescu: "this is the original tshirt. everyone else is just wearing copies."

16:02:56 nubbins`: ooh

16:03:04 mircea_popescu: yw.

16:03:13 nubbins`: would probably fetch a higher price than my idea for bespoke public key shirts, too

16:03:16 asciilifeform: i've never even seen these before, and this part was obvious

16:03:32 nubbins`: asciilifeform, that's the infamous "hologram error" that noobs believe makes the coins more valuable

16:03:47 nubbins`: in fact, 1btc holo error coins are maybe one of the more common sorts.

16:03:51 asciilifeform: beautiful.

16:03:54 mircea_popescu: apparently caldwell couscous'd his own cascasname

16:04:00 nubbins`: a truly rare gem is a 2011 1btc WITHOUT a hologram error.

16:04:12 asciilifeform: i still don't get the appeal, maybe i'm just thick

16:04:28 nubbins`: the appeal for me is that i'm into coin collecting anyway

16:04:36 mircea_popescu: kinda like being the only guy at the swinger's party with a chick with total hysterectomy.

16:04:38 asciilifeform: if i want coldwallets in ampoules, i'll seal them myself

16:04:38 mircea_popescu: it's RARE.

16:04:45 nubbins`: it's like if you found a sexy woman whose pussy was coded in ASM or something.

16:05:41 asciilifeform: 'rare' is when you make 10 of something and they're the only such things on the planet

16:05:41 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : did anyone know that obamacare specifies it's illegal to provide better health plans for top executives than you provide for rank and file clerks ?

16:05:55 nubbins`: even us canadians don't take it that far.

16:06:11 nubbins`: that's ostensibly very egalitarian, got my doubts it'll work that way in practice

16:06:28 mircea_popescu: fuck practice. how dares it pretend to work that way in theory.

16:06:36 nubbins`: heh!

16:06:47 mircea_popescu: who would pay taxes in a fuckuntry where they actually believe random clerk has the same right to survive as a ceo.

16:06:51 nubbins`: regardless of premiums paid?

16:07:03 nubbins`: like, the ceo can't even pay extra for a better plan?

16:07:28 mircea_popescu: well apparently the notion that if i pay someone 1mn a year i can afford to pay for better health care than if he barely pulls his weight at 10k a year is a mystery nao.

16:07:38 asciilifeform: nubbins`: ceo buys a plane ticket and then whatever he likes.

16:08:02 mircea_popescu: basically, "let's make everything equal, in the sense that everything should suck"

16:08:06 asciilifeform: the whole thing is a 'conspicuous benevolence' circus, not actual politics.

16:08:08 mircea_popescu: "imagine, all the money we'll save"

16:08:14 nubbins`: well, short people can only raise a bar so high, y'know

16:08:23 jurov: we have put together an idea - etch the keys to the metal

16:08:35 mircea_popescu: jurov what's that help ?

16:08:41 nubbins`: there was a discussion about etched keys and medical imaging equipment

16:08:49 jurov: cover the privkey with another piece of metal, solder together

16:08:51 nubbins`: and whether the resolution is great enough

16:08:54 asciilifeform: the 'btc coin' is about as interesting as those cars they had in the 1890s, the ones with... reins.

16:08:57 jurov: and apply the stamp to the solder

16:09:09 jurov: no flimsy holos

16:09:15 nubbins`: hm.

16:09:17 mircea_popescu: i doubt this is in any way stronger.

16:09:35 nubbins`: so like a picture charm?

16:09:39 nubbins`: but soldered together?

16:10:08 jurov: yes, like with wax. you'll have to recreate the stamp if you tamper with it

16:10:20 nubbins`: seems trivial

16:10:26 jurov: imho harder than to peel off holo sticker

16:10:35 nubbins`: why not just press wax against the seal to dupe it?

16:10:50 nubbins`: lel 80yo woman with teddy bear hat walked up the road

16:11:05 nubbins`: oh sorry, it's a wolf head

16:11:07 jurov: yes, ofc seal can be duped, but it takes some time

16:11:22 mircea_popescu: some time /!

16:12:03 jurov: it's harder than to figure out how to dissolve holo sticker glue, that's all

16:12:11 nubbins`: common solvents ;p

16:12:37 asciilifeform: try liquid CO2.

16:12:48 nubbins`: freeze it off!

16:13:14 nubbins`: i'm itching to try a few things, but i don't want to ruin a bunch of coins

16:13:38 asciilifeform: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Physbitcoinkey.jpg

16:13:43 asciilifeform: this, i take it, is the scheme?

16:13:51 nubbins`: yeah

16:13:56 asciilifeform: what's on the other side?

16:14:05 nubbins`: the pubkey

16:14:14 asciilifeform: yes, but is there a holo?

16:14:15 nubbins`: wait the other side of what?

16:14:16 asciilifeform: or just metal

16:14:18 asciilifeform: the coin

16:14:22 nubbins`: just metal

16:14:27 asciilifeform: then you have your answer.

16:14:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14329 @ 0.0008479 = 12.1496 BTC [+] {2}

16:15:08 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/TOxg3pc

16:15:09 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

16:15:19 nubbins`: do i? :(

16:15:31 asciilifeform: slice metal coin with appropriate tool (excimer laser?), read key, fuse metal again.

16:15:36 asciilifeform: or drill with same, then borescope.

16:15:50 asciilifeform: hologram is untouched.

16:16:01 nubbins`: holo untouched, metal butchered

16:16:22 nubbins`: you're telling me you can half a coin along its height and reattach it?

16:16:22 asciilifeform: metal can be replicated with 19th c. tech.

16:16:34 nubbins`: hm

16:16:45 asciilifeform: http://site.spyville.com/spy-coins/spy-coin-quarter.jpg

16:16:52 nubbins`: heh.

16:16:59 nubbins`: would be tough to not roast the private key

16:17:02 nubbins`: it's just paper

16:17:21 asciilifeform: ever boil water in a paper cup?

16:17:26 asciilifeform: try it

16:18:13 nubbins`: that's a bit different, paper can survive comfortably at 100C

16:18:23 nubbins`: it cannot survive comfortably at the melt point of brass

16:18:25 asciilifeform: it doesn't even singe

16:18:39 asciilifeform: and laser doesn't melt, it sublimates.

16:18:48 asciilifeform: (unless you're a complete noob)

16:18:53 asciilifeform: re: drilling:

16:18:54 asciilifeform: http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/Omnivorous/20120304_moneta.jpg

16:18:54 nubbins`: true

16:19:09 nubbins`: regardless, there'd still be enormous heat transfer to the paper, no?

16:19:17 asciilifeform: so you remove the heat on the other side.

16:19:31 nubbins`: uh huh. right. sorry, no coffee yet today

16:19:35 asciilifeform: peltier element stack. keep the paper at a comfortable 20C.

16:20:03 nubbins`: i was looking at peltier fans the other day, actually

16:20:23 nubbins`: my folks have a propane fireplace, but the fan obv doesn't circulate the heat when the power goes

16:20:25 asciilifeform: consumer cpu peltier isn't the answer here, you want a fat stack like the kind used in PCR machines.

16:21:10 nubbins`: well, when these unfunded coins start hitting the market, i bet there's going to be some experimenting going on

16:21:26 asciilifeform: re: fireplace: nobody cancelled thermodynamics. your main problem will be to find a cold object for the other end of the peltier.

16:21:37 nubbins`: the air in the room :D

16:22:46 nubbins`: i've seen ones that will run off the temp differential between the top of the stove and the ambient air

16:23:19 asciilifeform: that's pretty easy. your tea kettle does much the same.

16:23:28 nubbins`: http://www.leevalley.com/en/gifts/page.aspx?c=&p=50246&cat=4,104,55967

16:23:29 ozbot: Ecofan® - Lee Valley Tools

16:23:44 nubbins`: lee valley is a wondrous place for tinkerers and fiddlers

16:24:21 nubbins`: wait, is this even the same goddamn tech?

16:24:46 nubbins`: yeah

16:24:57 nubbins`: wait, no. similar.

16:25:59 nubbins`: anyway, i think the main reason nobody's tried slicing and dicing casascius coins until now is because the premiums were always so goddamn high

16:26:15 nubbins`: and nobody wanted to potentially flush a couple btc down the drain experimenting

16:27:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.57363679 = 11.4727 BTC [+] {8}

16:27:20 asciilifeform: no need to use an actual coin to experiment

16:27:36 asciilifeform: brass with paper glued to it should suffice for a proof of concept.

16:28:09 nubbins`: hm, nod

16:28:56 nubbins`: i think the holo itself would shrivel long before the paper browns, but point remains the same. as long as you can keep the reverse (or is it obverse?) at room-ish temperature

16:29:33 nubbins`: a casascius spy coin, imagine

16:30:00 asciilifeform: other idea

16:30:11 asciilifeform: private key is presumably printed after hologram is made

16:30:17 nubbins`: yes.

16:30:20 asciilifeform: STM (microscope) the holo side.

16:30:26 asciilifeform: watch for bumps.

16:30:42 asciilifeform: ink has mass!

16:31:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16121 @ 0.00085016 = 13.7054 BTC [+]

16:31:10 asciilifeform: poor man's STM can be made with a pair of piezo speakers ($1-5 each)

16:31:30 nubbins`: i've got stacks of piezos

16:32:09 asciilifeform: think 'record player' but with a very sharp needle and on an x-y plane instead of spiral.

16:32:55 nubbins`: with a needle and a piezo, srsly?

16:33:22 asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/ScanningTunnelingMicroscope_schematic.png

16:34:55 nubbins`: huh. yeah, apparently <$1k in parts

16:35:38 asciilifeform: one kid did an $50 demo (a decade or two ago?)

16:35:47 nubbins`: !

16:37:20 nubbins`: i'm imagining repurposing a 3d printer

16:37:28 nubbins`: precise x,y,z control

16:37:54 asciilifeform: nope. you need oscillating analogue signal for the kind of distances involved

16:38:05 asciilifeform: 3d printer gives you 0.1mm/step at best

16:38:09 nubbins`: PWM?

16:38:25 asciilifeform: stepper motor is geared so 1 step = x mm. of belt travel

16:38:31 nubbins`: aha

16:38:44 nubbins`: .1mm might be okay, y'know

16:39:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [+]

16:41:00 nubbins`: once you get a handle on the font, even a fairly low-res image would narrow things down to a reasonable set of possibilities

16:41:23 asciilifeform: once you establish a way to pick up ink/no-ink on the holo side, the jig is up.

16:42:38 asciilifeform: you might even be able to use the piezo needle for x-y and a sensitive capacitance meter for the 'ink' signal.

16:43:00 asciilifeform: holo is aluminum, coin is brass, ink+paper -> dielectric

16:43:13 asciilifeform: treat the system as a grid of very small capacitors...

16:43:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.55660018 = 11.132 BTC [-] {8}

16:44:03 nubbins`: i'm about 70% of the way towards just giving you a coin to play with ;p

16:44:14 lippoper: .bait

16:44:15 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me0t3uS36r1qk2vvro1_1280.jpg

16:44:17 asciilifeform: why count on others, do it yerself

16:44:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.54334699 = 10.8669 BTC [-] {5}

16:44:49 asciilifeform: btw, what's the thing printed on the top? 1st characters of key?

16:45:06 asciilifeform: if so, this means you can check your answer without popping the coin's cherry.

16:46:13 nubbins`: yes, correct

16:46:32 nubbins`: not quite firstbits, but you can check the code against a published list

16:46:41 asciilifeform: well then.

16:47:11 nubbins`: hence the derpiness of "how will we know the coins are funded?" regarding forthcoming self-funded coins

16:50:06 nubbins`: just clicking through related articles on wired

16:50:14 nubbins`: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/thats-not-how-you-use-it/

16:50:16 ozbot: That's Not How You Use It | Gadget Lab | Wired.com

16:50:16 nubbins`: lel

16:50:24 nubbins`: there's an article on how to properly wear a bike helmet

16:50:48 nubbins`: and another explaining the dangers of tightly wrapping your macbook's power cord around the brick

16:51:14 nubbins`: up next: 10 reasons why it's a bad idea to masturbate with a reciprocating saw

16:55:28 asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/11/Snapshot-2011-11-14-16-35-171.jpg

16:55:38 asciilifeform: china tests orbital laser cutter.

16:56:03 nubbins`: that's quite the tangram

16:56:06 asciilifeform: (as good a guess as any)

16:56:09 nubbins`: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/lockwhip-bike-tool-demoed-by-rider-with-a-deathwish/

16:56:13 ozbot: LockWhip Bike Tool Demoed by Rider with a Deathwish | Gadget Lab | Wired.com

16:56:20 nubbins`: ^ pretty lelly video as well as article

16:56:31 nubbins`: "As you can see, the chap doing the demonstration is a qualified fixed-gear rider: With no brakes, he terrorizes pedestrians by running a red light at top speed and careers into London’s Picadilly Circus. He also has the obligatory skinny pants with Kryptonite Evo-Mini D-lock in the back pocket. Rest assured: this guy is a professional."

16:57:47 asciilifeform: looks a little like: http://www.milsurpstuff.com/prodimages/PJTW1.jpg

16:58:06 asciilifeform: ('m16' barrel wrench. single-piece combo tools are nothing new.)

16:58:43 nubbins`: i like how they chose an asshole rider who blows red lights to demo their product

16:59:05 nubbins`: near the end of the video, he misses a bus by about two coats of paint

16:59:38 nubbins`: switching gears for a second, looks like this gem will sell: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/331103983219?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

16:59:52 nubbins`: ooh, pun actually not intended.

17:01:33 asciilifeform: wonder if just us having this conversation shaved a few pennies of the market value of these things

17:01:54 asciilifeform: crack one, crack them all...

17:03:01 nubbins`: there's a high level of irrationality present in the subset of people who are into these coins

17:03:29 asciilifeform: can't imagine it would survive a public reading of the key through the holo.

17:03:52 nubbins`: at decfon last year, they managed to remove a holo while leaving only slight traces of tampering

17:04:09 nubbins`: everyone then rushed to get their coins graded and slabbed, as if the cat wasn't already out of the bag

17:04:09 asciilifeform: 'slight' is not quite as spiffy as 'none.'

17:04:15 nubbins`: not nearly as spiffy, no

17:04:26 nubbins`: i still haven't seen a legit, undetectable unfunding.

17:04:43 asciilifeform: 'best way to predict the future is to invent it.'

17:04:51 nubbins`: nod

17:05:03 nubbins`: casascius started offering pgp custody chains

17:05:21 nubbins`: i took him up on it and have been offering to extend the chain to buyers. only one has taken me up on it so far.

17:06:07 nubbins`: to be fair, once the coin changes hands twice, a chain of custody is essentially useless

17:07:03 asciilifeform: well, chain of custody could help you avoid coins touched by people with dirty minds, like you and i.

17:07:53 asciilifeform: (though if i actually gave a damn about exploiting casascius, last thing i'd do is tell people about it.)

17:07:58 nubbins`: the devil you know, etc

17:08:44 nubbins`: one of the interesting things about casascius coins is that nobody seems to know how to price them

17:09:30 nubbins`: there are a handful of fools who insist on pricing via "2x/4x face value" and other nonsense

17:09:47 nubbins`: as if the face value of a coin has any bearing on its numismatic value

17:10:21 nubbins`: then there are the fools who believe their coins are impossibly valuable -- plenty of 25btc rounds with asking prices of 40+btc

17:10:42 nubbins`: as if somebody's going to pay a $13,000 premium for a round minted last year

17:11:07 nubbins`: i spoke to a guy who TURNED DOWN an offer of 30btc for his 10btc round.

17:12:20 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/

17:12:26 mircea_popescu: i'm doing internet muppets today.

17:15:24 nubbins`: heh

17:15:48 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, ever read "the coming insurrection"?

17:15:56 mircea_popescu: i don't think so.

17:16:08 nubbins`: written by "the invisible committee", aka the Tarnac Nine

17:16:25 nubbins`: seems like the sort of thing you might enjoy reviewing, if not reading

17:17:39 asciilifeform: speaking of truly bizarre, for anyone who missed it earlier:

17:17:40 asciilifeform: http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/2711/1/The%20answer%20lies%20in%20the%20sewers(lsero).pdf

17:17:45 asciilifeform: "the answer lies in the sewers."

17:18:18 nubbins`: http://zinelibrary.info/files/pdf_Insurrection.pdf

17:18:23 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-I6XTVZXww other bizarre

17:18:23 ozbot: ASTOUNDING: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + ... = -1/12 - YouTube

17:18:33 mircea_popescu: nubbins` aite.

17:18:38 nubbins`: pdf, i know

17:18:50 nubbins`: it's not readily available in plain text

17:19:28 asciilifeform: neither is 'sewers', but definitely worth reading.

17:19:53 nubbins`: i first read this around the time "occupy" was floundering about. had a chuckle at one point where they decry the General Assembly as essentially the worst idea ever

17:20:05 nubbins`: meanwhile, 5k hippies in downtown NY...

17:20:39 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i guess i'll convert it

17:20:41 nubbins`: asciilifeform, i'm gonna bookmark this

17:21:20 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, i downloaded the printable version and read it as hard copy

17:21:41 nubbins`: easy print-stack-fold format

17:22:10 nubbins`: incomprehensibly, the printable version is english-only

17:22:35 nubbins`: ...

17:22:37 nubbins`: actually, sorry.

17:22:40 nubbins`: http://tarnac9.wordpress.com/texts/the-coming-insurrection/

17:22:43 ozbot: The Coming Insurrection | Support the Tarnac 10

17:22:46 nubbins`: i think that's actually the complete text

17:23:25 nubbins`: "Another reflex is to call a general assembly at the slightest sign of movement, and vote. This is a mistake. The business of voting and deciding a winner, is enough to turn the assembly into a nightmare, into a theater where all the various little pretenders to power confront each other. Here we suffer from the bad example of bourgeois parliaments. An assembly is not a place for decisions but for

17:23:26 nubbins`: palaver, for free speech exercised without a goal."

17:23:34 nubbins`: that's rich

17:24:01 mircea_popescu: lol

17:26:09 nubbins`: k, gotta jet. peace

17:27:54 mircea_popescu: nubbins` why am i reading a french text in english ?!

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18:50:23 benkay`: the only fartup in which i'm taking equity right now is Bitcoin.

18:50:33 KRS1: did you guys se this

18:50:34 KRS1: https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5509

18:50:35 ozbot: Ripple Discussion • View topic - Peercover Simple Stocks

18:52:21 benkay`: https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5509#p36398

18:52:21 ozbot: Ripple Discussion • View topic - Peercover Simple Stocks

18:52:37 benkay`: "So if I own a business I can sell shares on ripple using your service? I will need to look into this..."

18:53:10 KRS1: looks like it

18:53:22 benkay`: if this person actually "owned" an actual "business" they wouldn't be "looking into" selling shares on some derpy ripple thing

18:53:43 KRS1: actually it specifically says you can buy/sell tickers tied to the ripple protocol with this platform

18:59:04 KRS1: hard to figure out what the hell anymore..such scam everywhere you look it seems

18:59:16 benkay`: if it's not actually a bitcoin it's a scam

19:00:03 benkay`: most of the time it's a scam of the innocent 'i want to derp a thing related to buttcorns so i'll poop some features and call it bitcoin 2.0' type

19:00:47 KRS1: so consider this..peercover is insurance but they also will now have an exchange for trading..doesn't this complicate their liquidity requirements

19:01:48 kakobrekla: kyle_torpey ENJOY YOUR MEAL, eveyone, kyle_torpey is having lunch!!!11

19:01:54 pankkake: bitcoin businesses seem to raise money when they don't need it, end up with a shitload of coins, and simply don't have any incentive to work

19:02:22 pankkake: whereas they could do most of the work before raising funds

19:02:32 benkay`: KRS1: where can i read more about peercover being insurance? their website has *nothing*.

19:02:40 KRS1: sec

19:03:52 mircea_popescu: KRS1 how is this new/noteworthy/whatever ?

19:04:05 mircea_popescu: and who's kyle

19:04:07 benkay`: also i ams in need of htmling and cssing does anyone in here have a recommendation?

19:04:09 mircea_popescu: and oter questions

19:05:17 KRS1: wow peercover site sux

19:05:20 mircea_popescu: benkay` alberto ?

19:06:03 benkay`: alberto?

19:06:08 pankkake: benkay`: what do you mean exactly, htmling and cssing?

19:06:32 mircea_popescu: yes, alberto amandi. an expert.

19:06:34 jurov: safety-compliant round corners?

19:06:39 mircea_popescu: read like "an hero"

19:06:59 KRS1: I found more information about peercover here http://ripplefederation.org/news/peercover-launches-distributed-insurance-platform-built-on-ripple

19:07:21 pankkake: I only do manly CSS. sharp corners, no shadows

19:07:43 benkay`: pankkake: mvp landing pages, 2014-compliant design choices

19:07:56 mircea_popescu: "only do mainly" is not english

19:08:01 benkay`: styling of web application stuff and of course hacking on legacy crap

19:08:37 mircea_popescu: KRS1 do you see any indication this is anything more or other than a purely nominalist rebranding of their old crap that was already beaten to shit in the marketplace ?

19:08:37 pankkake: mircea_popescu: manly not mainly

19:08:46 mircea_popescu: whoa i cnat raed.

19:10:35 KRS1: mircea_popescu my vote is no

19:10:56 KRS1: i tossed it out to the chan to see if anyone had an opinion

19:13:43 KRS1: mircea_popescu: it wasn't peercover exactly I was trying to get at here, it was their trading platform

19:15:20 mircea_popescu: the idea they're still pushing usagiesque nonsense...

19:15:27 mircea_popescu: crowd insurance. heh.

19:22:21 KRS1: thats a nightmare waiting to happen imo

19:23:01 KRS1: love this analogy: xrp, like worldcoin turned our lady bitcoin into a cheap whore

19:23:06 mircea_popescu: initially they thought they can buy their way into relevancy, and intelligent actors bleed them dry.

19:23:18 KRS1: haa nice

19:23:21 mircea_popescu: now they don't dare try for phase two of that, and so they're stuck waiting. it will probably be indefinite.

19:23:43 KRS1: they're hitting up angel investment in the meantime

19:24:26 asciilifeform: the funny part is that these folks would be richer, work less, and spend slightly less time in jail if... they wrote virii.

19:24:52 asciilifeform: and would be serving a useful 'ecological purpose'

19:24:56 asciilifeform: (put people off winblows)

19:25:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they'd be even richer, work more at shit they like working at and so on and so forth if they just gave up their delusions of self importance and agency and just found some better people to submit to.

19:25:26 mircea_popescu: in short, people rarely make the best decisions for themselves

19:25:36 mircea_popescu: it's out of that wastage that communities emerge in the first place.

19:25:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i specifically brought up crapware as a field where a modestly clever fellow could work without answering to anyone.

19:26:27 mircea_popescu: yeah, but their problem kinda is that they should be answering to someone. i can sorta see the loneliness in their actions.

19:27:00 asciilifeform: i'm not certain why you so readily conclude that they aren't happy 'wolf men'

19:27:23 asciilifeform: (in the medieval sense of 'rogue')

19:27:31 mircea_popescu: well... either because i'm naive or because i've seen happy wolf men and they don't look like it

19:27:53 mircea_popescu: a knave is not a rogue.

19:28:42 mircea_popescu: a knave is just a boy without a father.

19:33:27 KRS1: asciilifeform the problem with crapware is capitalizing on it, thats where the road ends for most..writing virii is the easy part

19:34:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00535 = 0.5297 BTC [+]

19:34:44 KRS1: lol @ <CiPi> And everyone must know, bitcoin will never be accepted by banks. NEVER. And because of this the price of bitcoin will rise like the price of cocaine in 1960.

19:35:17 asciilifeform: KRS1: crap artists (whom i hunt for a living, different story) never seem to have any problem renting out space on their crapnets.

19:35:39 kakobrekla: i wanna hear the different story

19:36:00 mircea_popescu: is it the phenomenology of cool driving it ? like he guy with the ferrari at burning man never having trouble "renting" the bitch ride ?

19:36:06 mircea_popescu: or is it actually economical ?

19:36:23 asciilifeform: maybe once i leave that work behind. i promise it isn't an interesting story though.

19:36:47 asciilifeform: most of what i see is profoundly disappointing in the intellectual sense.

19:37:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember your essay on spam?

19:37:29 mircea_popescu: i do.

19:37:33 asciilifeform: about how most spammers are cargo cultists

19:37:44 asciilifeform: who heard, of someone long ago and far away, turning a profit...

19:38:05 pankkake: it's very much like bitcoin mining

19:38:10 pankkake: profit is in selling the stuff

19:38:24 pankkake: I don't think it used to be as separate as it is now

19:38:32 asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell'

19:38:41 asciilifeform: that promised the reader that he could learn to summon devils

19:38:47 mircea_popescu: hfkajs@hotmail.com

19:38:47 mircea_popescu: Submitted on 2014/01/16 at 4:46 d.m.

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19:38:47 mircea_popescu: d to|told her i would} {U|Oughout|Ough|You|United}. {S|H|T|S i9000|Nasiums}. {クロエ 財布 新作 2013|シーバイクロエ バッグ 新作 2013|クロエ アウトレット|クロエ バッグ 人気|シーバイクロエ 財布 新作 2013}

19:38:48 asciilifeform: who would help him find treasures

19:38:54 asciilifeform: the book changed hands many, many times

19:38:59 asciilifeform: each time, for a much greater price

19:39:44 asciilifeform: i think back to this every time i read about the btc mining 'industry.'

19:40:12 mircea_popescu: at least in the 1800s it was a book

19:40:15 mircea_popescu: now it's a box

19:41:20 mircea_popescu: anyway, the quote above is from my own blog. cargo cultist got a spam script, understands some parts of how it works. ends up sending the unprocessed spinlist.

19:41:35 asciilifeform: worst part is that in this latter case, the devil occasionally appears and shits out a little gold, just enough to temp the sinner into being stupider

19:42:12 mircea_popescu: imo that's the good part, but hey.

19:42:59 asciilifeform: i do agree, it's far more interesting with fully-functioning devils.

19:43:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00084584 = 1.9877 BTC [-]

19:47:07 asciilifeform: getting back to the crapware: most instances you're dealing with a case of 'work 12 hrs. a day to make minim. wage while you sleep.'

19:48:16 mircea_popescu: i like that expression.

19:48:20 asciilifeform: most of the career spammers / crapware artists are based in parts of the world where the resulting pennies buy you something approaching a civilized life.

19:48:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure i lifted that phrase straight from your essays

19:48:49 mircea_popescu: i came to it studying the warrior forum (*) years ago, when i noticed the unifying factor in all their textual emissions was a desire to "make money while you sleep".

19:49:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as someone who works 'with' these people, i think i have a bit of a psycho-crackpot angle on their driving philosophy

19:49:30 mircea_popescu: * it's a large, affiliate forum. people who eke out a harsh existence at the edges of economy, internet and legality. the guys who buy 50k clicks on site y to send to site x.

19:49:47 asciilifeform: they want to eat without submitting.

19:50:06 mircea_popescu: that part is fine.

19:50:11 asciilifeform: some of them, if they could be fishermen on some forgotten shore, would probably take it up.

19:50:20 mircea_popescu: i suspect the baby is thrown with a bathwater somewhere at some point somehow tho

19:50:30 mircea_popescu: because at the bottom line there's no baby.

19:51:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most successful ones i've 'met' so far live in your home town.

19:51:29 jurov: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:984a516497b5bbf7875262e65772f2c2155a07cc3d0a46a878f36fae

19:51:30 gribble: You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7

19:51:57 mircea_popescu: ha.

19:52:01 asciilifeform: (obligatory note about the traditional 'good spies' vs. 'famous spies')

19:52:16 nubbins`: re: french vs english, i have no idea. TANJ.

19:52:35 nubbins`: apparently french people don't want to print things, nor read web pages

19:52:51 mircea_popescu: ;;google here's a story from our town, of the prettiest girl around.

19:52:52 gribble: JOHNNY CASH LYRICS - Ballad Of A Teenage Queen - A-Z Lyrics: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/balladofateenagequeen.html; Rodney Crowell - Ballad of a Teenage Queen (with lyrics) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNKOTdwtT3s; Our Town - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Town

19:52:59 mircea_popescu: there we go.

19:53:14 nubbins`: although a simpler explanation is that anglos find The Coming Insurrection much more interesting than francos.

19:53:27 mircea_popescu: nubbins` which is kind of my point.

19:53:31 asciilifeform: crapware is a very valuable psychological gauge of mankind

19:53:45 mircea_popescu: in french is just a banal term paper on the works of otherwise commonplace academics.

19:53:56 asciilifeform: in the sense that it spans the entire spectrum from 'idiot, how does he remember to breathe' to 'brilliant, jewel of the ages'

19:53:57 nubbins`: i think there's less of an "allure of the unknown" on these sorts of topic in french society

19:54:01 mircea_popescu: in the intellectually-desititute english language, it's an incendiary tract glenn beck gets all excited about.

19:54:05 nubbins`: for obvious reasons

19:54:07 mircea_popescu: here's the thing : the french actually still think.

19:54:23 nubbins`: they still think and they still kick up a stink once in a while

19:54:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i agree, and i propose to you it's because it is a free market.

19:54:42 nubbins`: by and large, the anglo world was long ago cowed into inaction

19:54:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct. and what's yet funnier, it showcases the 'marx' point about 'alienated labour'

19:54:56 nubbins`: and texts like that are essentially an edgy fantasy novel

19:55:32 mircea_popescu: that's a reading on it, but i doubt there's depth there.

19:55:42 asciilifeform: in that the true craftsmen stand to profit directly from their craftsmanship, while the idiots are doing it 'as a job'

19:56:07 nubbins`: speaking of craftsmen, installing some nice new countertops and cabinets in the studio.

19:56:23 asciilifeform: curiously, the uptake of btc among crap artists has, so far, been minimal. they are very 'tradition-bound.'

19:56:39 asciilifeform: the few exceptions tend to get hyped up in the media organs

19:56:54 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/bjLuDv9

19:56:54 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

19:57:16 nubbins`: will be nice to finally have a place to lay things

19:57:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the premise that criminals are driven by a desire to acquire wealth is flawed here. crap artists aren't REALLY running a business.

19:57:25 mircea_popescu: they're trying to entertain themselves.

19:57:32 nubbins`: ooh, ^

19:57:44 asciilifeform: the good ones are clearly motivated by the pleasure of the craft

19:57:52 mircea_popescu: and the bad ones by boredom

19:57:56 asciilifeform: e.g. bulgarian 'dark avenger' and his intellectual descendents

19:57:57 mircea_popescu: in the end... kind of the same thing n'est pas.

19:58:03 asciilifeform: the bad ones seem to be motivated by... need.

19:58:16 asciilifeform: in the sense of a street beggar

19:58:18 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't believe anything poor people say that has "need" in it.

19:58:21 nubbins`: need mixed with lack of ambition, perhaps

19:58:25 mircea_popescu: i've yet not heard a case that wasn't a lie.

19:58:29 asciilifeform: in that very special sense of 'need'

19:58:34 mircea_popescu: yawell.

19:58:45 asciilifeform: 'ineedadrink, gimmme'

19:59:04 nubbins`: "I NEEDS A PACK OF SMOKES"

19:59:18 nubbins`: (verb conjugation is a very fluid thing here)

20:03:47 asciilifeform: in June, the fellow who wrote a popular trojan, 'Caberp', was pwned, and his whole disk posted for public amusement

20:03:56 mircea_popescu: what os ?

20:03:56 asciilifeform: if i recall, he was making about 1k usd / mo.

20:04:02 asciilifeform: winblows what else

20:04:29 mircea_popescu: so wait.

20:04:31 asciilifeform: it was the most valuable 'psychiatric' find in the field, because the disk was full of correspondence with customers and half-finished work

20:04:43 nubbins`: 1k/mo?

20:04:51 mircea_popescu: guy on windows pulling in 1k/mo is the nikki minj of viruses ?

20:04:52 nubbins`: that's like

20:04:57 nubbins`: below the poverty line

20:05:01 asciilifeform: remember: 'famous spy'

20:05:05 mircea_popescu: this is almost as much lol as the first time i got actual data as to what entertainers actually earn.

20:05:19 asciilifeform: 'most famous spy' != 'best spy'

20:05:48 mircea_popescu: dude they be rappaz. dey come take yo woman an' ride.

20:05:51 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: let me guess, not enough to sustain their lavish lifestyles? ;p

20:05:52 mircea_popescu: i read all about it

20:06:00 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what lavish lifestyles.

20:06:01 asciilifeform: there are mining nets 1mil+ strong.

20:06:13 nubbins`: you know, like renting out sports cars for video shoots.

20:06:24 nubbins`: or buying everyone's drinks at "the club"

20:06:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that there are commecrial fleets worth >1bn does not necessarily mean any one ceo is living in better conditions than your average gulag campmaster.

20:06:50 mircea_popescu: you ever seen a star buy everyone drinks ?!

20:06:55 nubbins`: no D:

20:06:57 pankkake: http://www.osnews.com/story/27519/_OpenBSD_will_shut_down_if_we_do_not_have_the_funding_ (they accept btc donations)

20:06:57 ozbot: "OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding"

20:07:03 mircea_popescu: yay.

20:07:37 nubbins`: was surprised to learn de Raadt was canadian

20:07:48 pankkake: oh? I forgot

20:07:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why yay ?

20:07:57 nubbins`: maybe the only calgarian who doesn't work in the service, oil, or cattle industries

20:08:34 nubbins`: dated a girl years ago whose grandfather was an oil guy. he couldn't even keep track of all the places he owned land.

20:08:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was my sort-of clever retort to nubbins

20:09:01 pankkake: openbsd = grumpy paranoid old guys so I thought it would fit in here

20:09:02 mircea_popescu: not my fault people spam the chan with stuff one could even claim is relevant.

20:09:19 nubbins`: the fault is mine on that point

20:09:30 mircea_popescu: pankkake how much do they need anyway ?

20:09:46 asciilifeform: ~20k, says

20:09:56 nubbins`: ^

20:10:00 asciilifeform: (usd)

20:10:27 nubbins`: less than 24btc!

20:10:35 jurov: they should make openssh issue spammy donation pledges every now and then. problem solved

20:11:06 pankkake: maybe people don't know that funds openssh

20:11:15 pankkake: and other nice things

20:11:25 mircea_popescu: donate via bitpay. heh.

20:11:34 mircea_popescu: well, does anyone know any of the devs ?

20:11:40 punkman: don't they need most of the money to keep testing builds on a bunch of old hardware?

20:11:40 pankkake: converted to filthy CAD

20:11:57 nubbins`: the new polymer bills can be washed ;p

20:12:00 pankkake: basically to fund theo's "datacenter"

20:12:21 asciilifeform: 'openbsd, running on dead squirrel in shoebox since 19xx...'

20:13:08 pankkake: http://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg close

20:13:09 asciilifeform: (obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBLr4wbiR6E)

20:13:37 punkman: seems like a lot for just electricity, what the fuck does he have stashed in there

20:13:58 pankkake: old hw is power hungry

20:14:12 asciilifeform: looks like a microvax in there (mid-right)

20:14:15 nubbins`: probably using incandescent bulbs too, the bastards

20:14:22 mircea_popescu: i use incandescents.

20:15:13 nubbins`: well, CFLs are full of mercury and don't work in dimmers

20:15:22 asciilifeform: their ventilation probably eats more kW/hr. than these machines.

20:15:26 nubbins`: too bad they'll soon be -- no joke -- ILLEGAL here

20:16:12 nubbins`: you occasionally see people at the hardware store with a shopping cart full of incandescent bulbs

20:16:18 asciilifeform: nubbins`: there are persistent rumours of people buying crates of classical lights to speculate in, when the black market comes.

20:16:42 nubbins`: well, the issue i have is that my home requires heating nine months out of the goddamn year.

20:16:58 mircea_popescu: check me out in #openbsd lol

20:17:49 mircea_popescu: so far we're at **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 19 22:13:01 2014

20:17:50 mircea_popescu: Jan 19 22:13:01 * Now talking on #openbsd

20:17:50 mircea_popescu: Jan 19 22:14:04 <mircea_popescu> soo, who has the authority to make a deal so I can cover the 20k shortfall ?

20:17:50 mircea_popescu: Jan 19 22:16:24 <woopstar> mircea_popescu: you need to contact Theo

20:17:50 mircea_popescu: Jan 19 22:16:32 <mircea_popescu> how would i go about that ?

20:18:48 nubbins`: now, if i'm running electric heat in my home 9 months out of 12

20:18:58 nubbins`: i should be allowed to use the most inefficient bulbs possible

20:19:10 nubbins`: doubly so if i've got an oil furnace.

20:19:17 pankkake: environmentalists don't understand that

20:19:36 pankkake: they probably want to ban inefficient heaters

20:19:51 asciilifeform: what, one might wonder, is an inefficient electric heater?

20:19:56 pankkake: exactly

20:20:00 asciilifeform: one that radiates too much in RF?

20:20:07 nubbins`: i wonder do they understand that domestically-produced incandescents shipped in corrugated cardboard makes more sense than chinese CFLs in plastic clamshells shipped across an ocean?

20:20:24 nubbins`: asciilifeform: a light bulb is an inefficient electric heater ;)

20:20:40 kakobrekla: its efficient heater

20:20:42 asciilifeform: the CFL thing is cynical bastards knowing exactly what they're doing, rather than mere ineptitude.

20:20:45 kakobrekla: inefficient light source.

20:21:00 kakobrekla: im going led.

20:21:02 nubbins`: nah man, it wastes what, 10% energy producing light?

20:21:12 nubbins`: maybe the worst heater

20:21:24 pankkake: usually regulations like that come with requirements that allow only one manufacturer

20:21:37 pankkake: so it might not be chinese, it will be worse; overpriced crap

20:21:59 kakobrekla: its efficient heater compared to inefiicient light source

20:22:03 nubbins`: well i tell you, i busted three CFLs in my bedroom before realizing that they're not meant for dimmers.

20:22:11 kakobrekla: lol

20:22:32 nubbins`: almost started tearing out the wiring, decided to check the box

20:22:36 nubbins`: "...oh"

20:22:41 pankkake: some LEDs are good, but you have to hunt…

20:23:02 kakobrekla: mhm

20:23:19 nubbins`: i'll probably start moving to LED when the current bulbs start going

20:23:52 asciilifeform: i still have yet to see an led lamp that will evenly light a room without being the size of a small tv set.

20:24:18 nubbins`: well that's the other problem, the type of light

20:24:28 nubbins`: generally i find CFLs to be mercilessly cold

20:24:40 nubbins`: much too blue

20:24:48 Diablo-D3: you can get warm cfls

20:24:50 Diablo-D3: problem is

20:24:54 Diablo-D3: cfl cri is too low

20:25:10 asciilifeform: white led is based on the same principle as the classic fluorescent tube ('phosphour', but with IR led instead of gas plasma for the excitation)

20:25:25 asciilifeform: so in principle you can get any colour you like

20:25:30 asciilifeform: just need the right rare earths

20:25:48 mircea_popescu: curious if anyting comes of this.

20:26:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the CFL thing is cynical bastards knowing exactly what they're doing, rather than mere ineptitude. << verily.

20:26:46 mircea_popescu: "currently coal burning means x mercury released in atmosphere per hour. we take that x and split it : 40% goes to atmosphere, 60% goes to your own house. but we're only gonna talk ofg the 40%"

20:27:39 asciilifeform: the luminosity/watt claims (transparently bogus, visit an electronics store) and the lifespan claims (chinese driver electronics in the lamp base)...

20:28:02 pankkake: I've had a lot of incandescents burn in less than 6 months. but it might have been the container's fault, too much heat

20:28:10 mircea_popescu: incidentally, the idea with led lighting is to go for spots i think

20:28:26 asciilifeform: on the other end of the spectrum... http://www.centennialbulb.org/

20:28:40 asciilifeform: ('underclocked' edison bulb)

20:28:59 pankkake: spots are great - I have really good lightning after proper orienting

20:29:17 pankkake: yeah, but underclocking is cheating

20:29:47 asciilifeform: anyone remember the bulbs they used to have in street lamps? the size of a man's head?

20:29:53 asciilifeform: betcha those would last decades at 100W

20:30:23 asciilifeform: the claims of 'bulb conspiracy' are not physically accurate, though

20:30:45 asciilifeform: as late as 40 yrs. ago, there was no way to economically regulate the current flowing through the filament

20:30:54 asciilifeform: except using the filament's own resistance

20:30:59 asciilifeform: (or that of other bulbs in series)

20:31:17 asciilifeform: but now you can use PWM, silicon rectifier.

20:31:33 asciilifeform: as in the dimmers commonly sold. (hence why they often buzz slightly.)

20:33:24 mircea_popescu: stil lin use here.

20:33:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the mega-incandescents?

20:34:02 mircea_popescu: yeah.

20:34:14 mircea_popescu: some haven't burned out/been broken in the more rural parts

20:34:16 asciilifeform: wonder if they're the same soviet caliber i saw!

20:34:17 mircea_popescu: so never got replaced

20:34:21 Diablo-D3: is anyone buying primecoin?

20:34:24 asciilifeform: 500W i think

20:35:23 asciilifeform: funnily: in wash.dc, the late-19th c. light poles near the Capitol and Smithsonian (museaums) are sized for those mega-bulbs

20:35:26 mircea_popescu: sounds aobut right

20:35:32 asciilifeform: but have piddling little CFLs in them for some years

20:35:39 mircea_popescu: (timisoara is teh first town in teh world to use electric lighting btw)

20:35:51 asciilifeform: many with the jagged wrecks instead of full CFLs - vandals

20:36:05 asciilifeform: comically small for the fixtures

20:36:08 asciilifeform: 'hot dog in hallway'

20:36:52 jurov: wait when they put LEDs in

20:37:06 asciilifeform: no LEDs here, afaik

20:37:41 jurov: well, over there in austria/germany they use linear fluorescents for streetlights

20:37:49 jurov: such 1930s feel

20:38:04 asciilifeform: they have those here too, at fuel stations

20:40:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00084584 = 14.4639 BTC [-]

20:41:51 nubbins`: mostly sodium on the poles here

20:50:50 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

20:50:52 gribble: Time since last block: 27 minutes and 42 seconds

20:51:16 mircea_popescu: there's 3-4 blocks within ten minutes, then half hour off, then again

20:51:19 mircea_popescu: da fuck is this bs.

20:53:10 asciilifeform: new transformer at ft. meade, but fuse isn't to spec. blows every day.

20:53:51 asciilifeform: or: the mexicans left a lunch box in the cooling tower. so, jams.

20:55:39 mircea_popescu: i stil lcan't get over that quora byline

20:55:46 mircea_popescu: "the best source for knowledge", seriously ?!

20:56:47 asciilifeform: at least it isn't 'Google Knol'

20:57:03 mircea_popescu: just how ragingly uncultivated does one to be to be these days

20:57:04 asciilifeform: (ami the only one who automatically thought 'grassy knoll')

20:57:29 mircea_popescu: hehe no

20:57:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00084584 = 7.6126 BTC [-]

20:59:28 mircea_popescu: and again 3 blocks past 10 minutes

20:59:41 mircea_popescu: there's something very fucking weird at work here.

21:00:14 pankkake: yeah, statistics are weird

21:00:39 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, cheerleader auditions

21:00:39 mircea_popescu: http://noescapepublicnudity.tumblr.com/image/54594998334

21:00:40 ozbot: Castle von Dorkenstein: No Escape Public Nudity: Photo

21:02:37 pankkake: tattoos are probably not allowed for cheearleaders

21:03:27 mircea_popescu: why so square ?!

21:13:32 nubbins`: i think the shits came from that google knol over there

21:14:15 nubbins`: pankkake, then there would be no cheerleaders

21:27:08 mircea_popescu: he's never seen a tramp stamp :D

21:40:20 punkman: http://voices.yahoo.com/bitcoin-20-explained-colored-coins-vs-mastercoin-vs-12475857.html

21:40:21 ozbot: Bitcoin 2.0 Explained: Colored Coins Vs Mastercoin Vs Open Transactions Vs Protoshares - Yahoo Voice

21:41:08 punkman: "Perhaps you will even be able to trade a protoshares-backed currency on top of Mastercoin for BitMastercoins one day."

21:41:26 pankkake: so many CEOs

21:41:30 kakobrekla: inception was shit.

21:44:16 punkman: Open Transactions seems to do some useful things, but they want to become a startup now

21:47:33 Duffer1: startup of what?

21:56:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00294 = 0.197 BTC [+]

22:03:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00084583 = 13.1527 BTC [-] {2}

22:29:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00294 = 0.2999 BTC [+]

22:39:05 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> so many CEOs <<

22:39:37 mircea_popescu: ceo is quckly becoming the new vp

22:39:47 mircea_popescu: im curious what;s coming up next.

22:40:11 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 200 @ 0.00175 = 0.35 BTC [-]

22:40:14 jurov: supreme excutive officer

22:40:54 mircea_popescu: megadirettore magistrale

22:41:07 pankkake: that shit is not really bitcoin specific, i've seen many open source projects get press coverage, even get funding (Diaspora*), when no one on board was able to really do the job

22:41:09 mircea_popescu: (duca-conte piermatteo barambanni)

22:42:22 jurov: haaaaa someone scalping x.eur

22:47:13 jurov: oh, and nobody charts it? gotta fix that

22:52:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13177 @ 0.00084767 = 11.1697 BTC [+]

23:00:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3880 @ 0.00084767 = 3.289 BTC [+]

23:12:58 KRS1: CEO..now I've got to start planning for my new position as chairman

23:13:34 KRS1: I sit in a chair every day. I know everything there is to know about it.

23:16:41 jurov: chairperson..you gotta be gender-politically correct

23:19:44 megadirettore_ma: damn.

23:28:31 jurov: http://craphound.com/images/R_U_cyberpunk.jpg haha

23:31:22 KRS1: hey i have a friend like that

23:34:26 pankkake: that's how I imagine most of you guys

23:44:22 KRS-: for the record I'm nothing like that..not a redneck but drive a newer model diesel 4x4 truck and have a fast car for drag racing, but haven't messed with it in a while..go to bars with friends and hang out when i can.

23:44:50 lippoper: I've met KRS- IRL and I can vouch for what he said

23:44:57 KRS-: i barely know how to use my droid phone lol

23:45:01 KRS-: hey whats up lipopopop

23:47:32 mircea_popescu: is that slash

23:50:07 lippoper: whazzah

23:50:18 lippoper: gimme some

23:50:19 lippoper: .bait

23:50:25 KRS-: .bait

23:50:39 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/b9ddf895b88fe3ef67ae08bcd95b91b4/tumblr_mupz36Y97d1rt5ktoo1_500.jpg

23:50:43 KRS-: there

23:50:59 jurov: not slash, i'm pegging it as pua cooperation

23:51:20 lippoper: wow nice

23:53:20 KRS-: Isn't that too much weight for a cyber punk's waif body to handle

23:53:41 mircea_popescu: lol pua coop

23:55:03 lippoper: flail

23:55:22 lippoper: why heavy

23:55:28 lippoper: much fail

23:55:33 lippoper: wow

23:56:28 lippoper: .bait

23:56:29 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/6442eb760dda4318497fd502aa08fd67/tumblr_muzd7k3m9b1qk2vvro1_500.jpg

23:56:37 lippoper: wow

23:57:01 lippoper: middlecoin

23:57:07 lippoper: to tha moon

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