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Transcript for 19-01-2015, 1236 lines:

00:00:07 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: link?

00:00:20 mircea_popescu: above in the log

00:01:19 thestringpuller: logs are so 1985

00:01:35 thestringpuller: i only keep 10 lines of IRC in memory at a time like a true G

00:06:24 decimation: re: optical displays in jet fighters: http://hamptonroads.com/2015/01/navy-report-2014-super-hornet-crash-was-preventable

00:06:25 assbot: Navy report: 2014 Super Hornet crash was preventable | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IV5bXq )

00:06:55 decimation: "In one of the jets, a young pilot was flying his first training mission since becoming qualified to use a special helmet that projects key flight data - such as air speed, altitude, target range - onto his visor. The pilot, investigators learned later, hadn't gone through a recommended computer-based course before being cleared to fly with the visor-mounted display."

00:07:17 mircea_popescu: wait so it's not like magic ?

00:07:32 decimation: no, apparently it's is quite disorienting if not familiar

00:07:42 decimation: "Within 15 seconds, the jet had accelerated to more than 575 mph and was descending at a 70 degree angle. The pilot, while monitoring his visor-mounted display and doing his best to keep an eye on the other jet, had apparently lost track of his rate of descent."

00:09:03 mircea_popescu: myeah.

00:23:01 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/clustering/

00:23:02 assbot: Clustering ... ( http://bit.ly/1IV9pOV )

00:26:59 mircea_popescu: http://www.ritholtz.com/register.ph

00:27:00 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1yw4sdZ )

00:27:05 mircea_popescu: http://www.ritholtz.com/register.php

00:27:06 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1yw4tys )

00:27:20 mircea_popescu: one is The requested URL /register.ph but the other is The requested URL /register.php‎

00:27:28 mircea_popescu: where the fuck does the crud get in

00:29:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00044035 = 12.0656 BTC [-]

00:37:10 mircea_popescu: anyway, read the dude's 10 page long "comment policy", then read the comments on that article.

00:43:48 Adlai: no

00:56:24 BingoBoingo: http://newsok.com/update-gunman-released-after-shooting-of-sentinel-police-chief/article/5384876

00:56:27 assbot: Questions remain after Sentinel police chief is shot, detained man is released | News OK ... ( http://bit.ly/1ywbkrG )

00:56:32 mircea_popescu: undata http://fraudsters.com/2015/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets-updated/

00:56:32 assbot: [undata] Deed system for #bitcoin-assets, updated. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ywblfb )

00:58:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1890 @ 0.0007542 = 1.4254 BTC [-] {2}

00:58:22 undata: mircea_popescu: I've got it adding keys and accepting valid signed messages, building out the bundle-and-stamp process

00:58:35 mircea_popescu: cool.

00:59:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00044723 = 5.9482 BTC [+]

00:59:30 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: hey whose idea was it to prevent the network from relaying transactions outside of the context of blocks and was it really that good of an idea? << i think it's rudimentary spam control.

01:00:26 mircea_popescu: undata: davout: probably go, the bot I'm working with is in go << i bet you had no idea just how popular golang is, eh asciilifeform

01:01:17 Adlai: in go's defense... they have sane concurrency primitives, as opposed to pretty much everything else

01:01:43 mircea_popescu: "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story.

01:01:53 Adlai: aka "have i spammed http://www.usingcsp.com/ yet this year?"

01:01:54 assbot: Communicating Sequential Processes (CSP), by C. A. R. Hoare (Electronic Version) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ywctzs )

01:05:30 PeterL: xanthyos:i'd like to play monopoly with #b-a members if we could figure out a place to do the dice << scoopbot started as a bot to roll dice for me and my friend RPGing over IRC

01:06:27 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story << Prolly related to post 0.8.x versions not keeping a full txindex by default. Have to set a flag for them to do it.

01:06:43 mircea_popescu: actually... should i put in a job for a games bot ? could start it with monopoly. it just keeps dropping pngs of the table after each player's roll

01:07:24 mircea_popescu: trivial to do for chess, too. but kind-of spammy.

01:08:00 PeterL: would it live on #bitcoin-assets-games?

01:08:13 mircea_popescu: i guess that'd work well enough huh ?

01:08:49 PeterL: could you make a version of monopoly which allows people to drop in after the game has started?

01:09:36 mircea_popescu: something simple like playbot, i want to play chess with peterl. to which it responds "peterl are you playing with mircea_popescu ?" and then it looks for the moves, updates an inner state and keeps spitting out pngs of the board as links.

01:09:39 PeterL: actually, that sounds like a fun project

01:09:40 mircea_popescu: same principle with monopoly.

01:10:17 mircea_popescu: probably should have go, chinese chess, stuff.

01:10:22 mircea_popescu: maybe this already exists ?

01:12:49 PeterL: There are placed like yahoo games, I don't know of any text-based games

01:13:21 mircea_popescu: no i mean specifically irc bots

01:13:33 mircea_popescu: so you can just copy the code.

01:14:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, it could easily be self-financing, charge 0.0001 per player ro something.

01:19:22 xanthyos: oh monopoly doesn't just require dice rolls but chance and community chest card ordering

01:20:40 xanthyos: .0001 per player per entry, and with new players dropping in after the game already started it could have a cumulative prize pool

01:20:50 xanthyos: with rebuys

01:22:12 PeterL: maybe only allow people to koin until all properties sold?

01:22:46 PeterL: s/join/koin

01:27:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00044723 = 10.7112 BTC [+]

01:28:16 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: something simple like playbot, i want to play chess << already pretty much done with this in GPG. Needs to be vetted thoroughly tho before any widespread release

01:29:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00044837 = 22.2167 BTC [+] {2}

01:29:54 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: anyway, it could easily be self-financing << only if lots of games are available over time. vis-a-vis crypto-arcade/midway but meh dunno. Long road is long :P

01:30:49 PeterL: I was thinking more of something for us to have fun rather than trying to make money

01:31:15 thestringpuller: because game developers are starving artists :P

01:42:00 kakobrekla: i had fun once

01:42:46 Adlai: then the fire nation attacked?

01:43:10 kakobrekla: no, it was awful.

01:44:21 kakobrekla: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8O1PZ3CAAIEfD6.jpg

01:44:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqOKkF )

01:49:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19423 @ 0.00044035 = 8.5529 BTC [-]

01:50:56 Adlai: huh, what happened to two weeks notice: "This account was deleted and is no longer recoverable."

02:03:48 kakobrekla: updated quite a bit; http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

02:03:49 assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqStij )

02:04:17 kakobrekla: make fixes if needed

02:07:02 PeterL: on wiki, !verify should have short !v included

02:07:28 kakobrekla: fixed ty

02:13:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00043227 = 12.4926 BTC [-] {2}

02:18:02 kakobrekla: also first steps in ba is outdated

02:18:27 kakobrekla: if anyone wants to fix that be my guest.

02:19:15 PeterL: "since no sessions, bot can be used without the need for you being present on any channel" < it should say you need to be in chan to get voiced

02:19:32 kakobrekla: that goes without saying.

02:20:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00043105 = 25.9923 BTC [-] {2}

02:20:44 kakobrekla: or i dunno

02:20:56 kakobrekla: hit edit button if not

02:39:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88776 @ 0.00044352 = 39.3739 BTC [+] {4}

02:47:39 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story. << pointless degradation of network protocol to reduce utility of bitcoin.

02:49:04 ben_vulpes: <PeterL> [] could you make a version of monopoly which allows people to drop in after the game has started? << bitcoin monopoly?!

02:49:42 mircea_popescu: well of course bitcoin monopoly.

02:50:03 mircea_popescu: and seeing how the guilty parties are not here present to defend themselves, i see little trouble going with your theory.

02:50:11 asciilifeform: Ritholtz link << astonishingly boring site

02:50:22 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: industry gossip rag, whaddaya want

02:50:27 asciilifeform: i did figure out why it dug up my old article

02:50:55 asciilifeform: it is apparently being passed around by lamers, who did not even look at the date, as 'lol bitcoin users, maybe this will save them from certain sc4mz0r d00m'

02:51:34 mircea_popescu: heh

02:51:59 mircea_popescu: in his quest for easy lolz, the idiot robs himself of the good lolz.

02:52:30 mircea_popescu: <PeterL> maybe only allow people to koin until all properties sold? << maybe simply allow people to sell out their token

02:52:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00045069 = 15.9094 BTC [+] {2}

02:53:24 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8O1PZ3CAAIEfD6.jpg << that you ?!

02:53:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUtEy7 )

02:53:33 kakobrekla: nah

02:53:41 kakobrekla: i mean

02:53:50 kakobrekla: no and yes!

02:53:51 mircea_popescu: scam

02:54:01 kakobrekla: not on the pic but represent!

02:55:00 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9vorgq3x51rcmfhmo1_250.gif << saving this for later, in case i need to illustrate VC investment or something.

02:55:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUtHdb )

02:56:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54100 @ 0.00045252 = 24.4813 BTC [+] {2}

02:56:43 mircea_popescu: !help

02:56:43 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

02:57:53 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can multiple nicks be reg'd to same key ?

02:58:03 kakobrekla: neg

02:59:53 ben_vulpes: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54100 @ 0.00045252 = 24.4813 BTC [+] {2} << someone's scooping cheap mpoe

03:01:10 mircea_popescu: !up metsuno

03:24:12 decimation: !up WolfGoethe

03:27:19 WolfGoethe: welcome all

03:27:36 BingoBoingo: Can not improve on the drama here and in the comments http://valleywag.gawker.com/linus-torvalds-does-not-give-a-shit-about-you-1680004895

03:27:37 assbot: Linus Torvalds Does Not Give A Shit About You And Your Dumb Opinions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyYvIi )

03:28:29 mircea_popescu: meh, gawker.

03:29:00 BingoBoingo: It's the most unGawker thing I've ever seen on Gawker

03:29:57 WolfGoethe: what is happening in Ukraine Donesk now holds the fate of the world in the balance....

03:31:05 BingoBoingo: Highligh:>> UPDATE: ModelViewCulture CEO Shanley Kane has asked me to describe her not as a "diversity advocate" or "diversity activist" and to instead identify her as the co-founder and CEO of a media company that is better than the one I work for. According to its website, ModelViewCulture is "an independent media platform focused on the intersection of technology, culture and diversity." So: nothing to do with advocating for di

03:31:06 BingoBoingo: versity then. I regret the error, and have updated the post to reflect that.

03:31:49 WolfGoethe: naturally...

03:33:39 decimation: Eh, Ukraine is already Putin's

03:35:22 BingoBoingo: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/17/i-taught-shanley-kane-how-to-troll-and-im-sincerely-sorry/

03:35:23 assbot: 'I taught Shanley Kane how to troll, and I'm sincerely sorry' - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az0gFc )

03:36:04 asciilifeform: 'grow a motherfucking spine linux. get this asshole out.' << mega-lol!

03:36:25 mircea_popescu: lmao wut.

03:36:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo's link

03:36:54 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#982791

03:36:54 assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 03:27:36; BingoBoingo: Can not improve on the drama here and in the comments http://valleywag.gawker.com/linus-torvalds-does-not-give-a-shit-about-you-1680004895

03:36:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously, the dramas

03:37:24 mircea_popescu: is this like that one time when the idiot murican journos threw a fit that the french president didn't care about whatever stupid shit they had picked to make their world out of, and then were never heard from again ?

03:37:43 mircea_popescu: what's linux going to do, name itself gavinus ?

03:37:53 mircea_popescu: "it's not new, it's the same thing!"

03:38:12 mircea_popescu: "we've just forked it because we're stupid. same thing!"

03:38:47 *: asciilifeform finds it somewhat odd that there is not yet an official 'rat king' (poettering?) to serve as an 'anti-linus'

03:39:01 BingoBoingo: Kinda, but with layers of stupid coming into conflict. A stupid schism.

03:40:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, they don't need a king you see. they're sans coulottes, they talk a lot, and that's all that's needed.

03:40:27 asciilifeform: lol!

03:40:32 mircea_popescu: well, that and changing all the he's to theirs.

03:41:22 mats: http://packetstormsecurity.com/files/view/40638/MallocMaleficarum.txt >> a piece of history

03:41:23 assbot: MallocMaleficarum.txt ≈ Packet Storm ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az1FMa )

03:41:23 mircea_popescu: the only pity here is that linus is about as political minded as your average frog, and so instead of taking up arms, booting all us interest from linux, strangling poettering by his own guts and so on,

03:41:28 mircea_popescu: he just sits there and ignores the matter.

03:41:48 *: asciilifeform recalls once reading that 'their' is 'obsolete,' and that the truly progressive (tm) types have made up new pronouns, 'ze', 've', fuck knows what els

03:41:51 mircea_popescu: very important to promote a lot more people who are actually willing to kill these idiots, not just ignore them.

03:42:22 mats: http://www.dailycal.org/2014/09/28/gov-jerry-brown-signs-affirmative-consent-law-dream-loan-bill-sunday >> wau. "legislation states that consent in sexual activity is an “affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement” and that intoxicated agreement does not count as consent."

03:42:24 assbot: Brown signs affirmative consent, undocumented student loan bills Sunday | Dailycal.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az1VLa )

03:42:52 mircea_popescu: lol

03:44:14 asciilifeform: malleus maleficarum << classic

03:45:38 asciilifeform: linus is about as political minded as your average frog... sits there and ignores... instead of taking up arms, booting all us interest from linux << how's he to do that.

03:45:47 asciilifeform: without getting out of usa personally, rather.

03:45:57 mircea_popescu: no such rider in my statement.

03:46:10 mircea_popescu: but, simply refusing to merge anything in any way related to anyone who ever worked for red hat.

03:46:10 asciilifeform: ahaha.

03:46:13 mircea_popescu: for instance.

03:46:30 asciilifeform: how much from rathead is even getting merged in kernel ?

03:46:50 mircea_popescu: not exactly the point. poltics is not about what you do.

03:46:51 decimation: redhat does quite a bit of backporting

03:47:04 mircea_popescu: there must attach penalties to belonging in the progressive camp.

03:47:13 decimation: they also have some kernel devs on the payroll

03:47:16 mircea_popescu: the simple knowledge that you will NEVER be a linux developer, ever, is a good start.

03:47:23 mircea_popescu: i can then move to give linux more weight, and so on.

03:47:26 mats: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/17/us/supreme-court-to-decide-whether-gays-nationwide-can-marry.html

03:47:29 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTrCZc )

03:47:35 asciilifeform: i suspect that linus does, in fact, understand that he 'can also have problems.'

03:47:45 mircea_popescu: not a criterion.

03:47:56 mircea_popescu: stalin could also have problems.

03:48:10 mircea_popescu: up until he couldn't anymore, at which point all sorts of other idiots had a whole troughful of problems.

03:48:17 decimation: http://www.cnet.com/news/paid-developers-power-the-linux-kernel/

03:48:19 assbot: Paid developers power the Linux kernel - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTrJDY )

03:48:22 mircea_popescu: now that's politics.

03:48:53 asciilifeform: decimation: would be interesting to see who contributes something other than drivers for own hardware.

03:49:03 mircea_popescu: red hat makes hardware ?!

03:49:06 decimation: good point, they don't break that out

03:49:21 asciilifeform: not redhat, but, say, renesas and analog devices

03:49:29 decimation: redhat does not make hardware, but they provide guarantees for certain baselines

03:49:33 asciilifeform: amd, freescale, fujitsu, etc.

03:49:47 mircea_popescu: point remains : once there's a penalty to being a progressive, things can be turned into some sort of shape.

03:50:01 decimation: So you can be Redhat Certified (c)

03:50:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this almost certainly requires a dead usg, or at the very least one which is in no condition to sinecure progressives.

03:50:46 mircea_popescu: does not.

03:50:50 mircea_popescu: sinecure does not work.

03:51:02 asciilifeform: as it stands, the progressives want for nothing.

03:51:09 mircea_popescu: consider that the protestants choked the catholics, with a very lively french government that sinecured them to heaven.

03:51:14 mircea_popescu: sinecure is counterproductive if anything.

03:51:16 asciilifeform: their opponents, if too vocal and not independently wealthy - face starvation.

03:51:23 mircea_popescu: this is exactly their problem, that they want for nothing.

03:51:32 mircea_popescu: nothing easier to rape.

03:52:07 mircea_popescu: let the sinecure become a central point of the progressive - sane person debate.

03:52:12 mircea_popescu: that's already defeat, for them.

03:52:21 asciilifeform: is it not already the case ?

03:52:28 mircea_popescu: not amply enough.

03:52:35 decimation: the trouble is that nearly everyone in the us is one some dole or another

03:52:38 mircea_popescu: there's dire need for more politically minded people to make it a point.

03:53:02 mircea_popescu: decimation for as long as that lasts.

03:53:29 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> stalin could also have problems. << Well Tito is a serious amount of problem to have.

03:53:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meant more in his odessa bank robbery days.

03:53:55 decimation: well, if 'making it not last' is the political strategy, then I suggest "stand back and watch them fail"

03:54:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but... never escaped his problem having potential

03:56:01 mircea_popescu: preferably from a distance.

03:56:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00043357 = 4.4658 BTC [-]

03:56:46 decimation: after 1789, it was hoped that the new constitution would be well supported by 'moderates'

03:57:12 decimation: but it turned out that nobody who mattered was actually a moderate (in France)

03:57:30 mircea_popescu: no, it turned out the girondins were butchered first.

03:57:44 mircea_popescu: but that they mattered is preserved at least in the fact that their woman killed the journo.

03:58:15 mircea_popescu: had they had the sense to being moderate while out of france, and had they the internet & other means to do this... diff story.

04:00:18 decimation: it seems that some kind of similar thing is happening in us politics

04:01:09 mircea_popescu: if it is i dun see it

04:01:22 *: asciilifeform very much not seeing it

04:01:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16631 @ 0.0004502 = 7.4873 BTC [+]

04:01:41 mircea_popescu: all i see is progressing courtly fashions.

04:01:49 mircea_popescu: now everyone's wearing bras and marring their cat.

04:02:19 decimation: that's because the right and left have politically stalemated

04:02:42 decimation: there's no policy that can change because there's no moderate party to support it

04:02:59 mircea_popescu: well... no. it's because everyone lives off crown benefits, and so no substantial differences to be had.

04:03:04 mircea_popescu: everyone agrees they need more money.

04:03:39 decimation: but that's usg policy since at least before wwii

04:03:51 mircea_popescu: country's not had a budget in what, like a decade ?

04:03:59 mircea_popescu: not a balanced budget mind you. just, you know, one at all.

04:05:31 decimation: since 2007 apparently

04:05:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00043197 = 10.4969 BTC [-] {2}

04:07:14 decimation: although actually no, the last real budget in a bill was passed in 1997 http://prospect.org/article/does-congress-even-need-pass-budget

04:07:16 assbot: Does Congress Even Need to Pass a Budget? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az7BVx )

04:07:23 mircea_popescu: aha.

04:07:35 mircea_popescu: closer to two decades by now.

04:08:13 decimation: there's a complex dance between what congress 'authorizes' and 'appropriates'

04:08:30 mircea_popescu: it's gotten to the point where inflation's being dressed up as necessary. well... it is. should interest rates move to a very liberal 5% the us is unable to finance even its interest alone.

04:08:35 mircea_popescu: not to mention the 7-8%

04:10:48 decimation: with the sudden oil price collapse, all Smart People are now seriously worried about deflation

04:12:37 decimation: here's an amusing takedown of 'what inflation is good': https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/why-dont-you-guys-love-inflation-you-guys/

04:12:39 assbot: Why don’t you guys love inflation you guys? | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az8Kwf )

04:14:03 decimation: "Anyway let’s try to go back to first principles a little here. Read through the glowing, er, defense of inflation and it boils down to the same basic story: ‘oh noes wages are sticky’."

04:20:01 danielpbarron: http://lgbtweekly.com/2015/01/17/trans-student-allegedly-told-by-sdsu-staff-to-get-out-of-mens-locker-room/ Furuya used the men’s locker room shower, and allegedly was told by another gym patron to “Get your titties and go across to the other locker room. That’s where the women are. And, if you don’t go, I’ll remove you myself.”

04:20:04 assbot: Trans student allegedly told by SDSU staff to get out of men's locker room | LGBT Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTzOsj )

04:20:46 decimation: "why don't you guys love trannys you guys?"

04:21:29 asciilifeform: wai wat

04:25:39 decimation: lol from article: "but really when it comes to actually creating resources that support and protect transgender and other marginalized students, they have really dragged their feet and have taken a really long time…and in the meantime students’ lives are at risk.”

04:25:58 decimation: so, some guy telling a confused chick to leave the locker room is the same as murdering?

04:34:51 danielpbarron: someone pasted that link in an irc channel for "reddit christians" from which i was eventually kicked for disputing their claim that The Bible is pro-lgbt

04:35:43 decimation: what was the basis of their argument?

04:36:01 kakobrekla: that they are faggots?

04:36:46 mircea_popescu: lmao wait. bible pro-lgbt ?

04:36:49 danielpbarron: not breaking from reddit form, they didn't really have much of a basis

04:37:22 mircea_popescu: decimation anyway, as a male that usually uses the women's restroom, im pro tolerance.

04:37:22 danielpbarron: beyond, "stop being mean"

04:37:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wat

04:38:03 mircea_popescu: " When inflation dips too low, it transfers wealth from those who owe money ? companies and mortgage payers ? to those who hold bonds."

04:38:27 mircea_popescu: so wait. the thing that steals sometimes a lot and sometimes a little is the nerw normal. and so when it only steals a little it... TRANSFERS money from the thief to the victim ?

04:38:38 mircea_popescu: lovely metaworld.

04:39:09 asciilifeform: 'chocolate rations have been increased from eighty grams to fifty.'

04:39:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i used the girl's locker room in highschool, and i hung out with the chicks in their yoga class too.

04:39:25 mircea_popescu: why would i want to see a bunch of schlongs ?!

04:39:34 asciilifeform: lol!

04:39:48 decimation: there's a fine argument there

04:39:54 *: asciilifeform takes off hat

04:40:05 mircea_popescu: besides, i don't like urinals and women's usually cleaner.

04:40:11 asciilifeform: ^

04:40:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55450 @ 0.00044684 = 24.7773 BTC [+]

04:40:18 mircea_popescu: plus, if you're going to fuck a girl, it's usually better to do her in women's.

04:40:24 decimation: most urinals are designed to maximize spashback

04:40:55 mircea_popescu: now, i wouldn't be in favour of this as a general thing,

04:41:00 mircea_popescu: but as a mark of privilege it works fine.

04:41:56 asciilifeform: as a general thing, as often is, the whole point would disappear.

04:42:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17843 @ 0.00044684 = 7.973 BTC [+]

04:43:03 decimation: re: inflation < of course the thief is going explain the benefits of thieving

04:43:27 decimation: 'makes for a easier wallet to carry'

04:49:26 mircea_popescu: https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/why-dont-you-guys-love-inflation-you-guys/#comment-31595

04:49:28 assbot: Why don’t you guys love inflation you guys? | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTGEOB )

04:51:18 mats: an exercise in kekonomics

04:51:56 decimation: lol let the beatings commence

04:52:08 mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy has a point , and that point is : the expectations of us citizens, and their self valuations, are wildly divergent from reality.

04:52:17 mircea_popescu: they will have to be brought back on their knees somehow

04:52:32 asciilifeform: wait, they expect something ?

04:52:34 mircea_popescu: and no government yet has had the audacity to go to a group of self impressed idiots and tell them the sort of thing i say

04:52:40 mircea_popescu: "shut the fuck up, get on your knees and suck more cock"

04:52:48 mircea_popescu: consequently, inflation is necessary and unavoidable.

04:53:01 mircea_popescu: it's roughly the "put pitbull in doorframe and slam door on him" educational tactic.

04:53:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. for instance : they expect to not have to find someone to be the sex slave of.

04:53:36 mircea_popescu: further : they expect to warm their abode artificially.

04:53:52 mircea_popescu: further still : they expect to not have to do hard physical labour.

04:53:54 mircea_popescu: and on it goes.

04:54:03 mircea_popescu: none of these are warranted. not really.

04:54:04 asciilifeform: even expect not to ferment as biodiesel, if you believe.

04:54:16 mircea_popescu: that one i can see.

04:54:17 *: asciilifeform does expect, however

04:54:29 mircea_popescu: human biodiesel is actually uneconomical.

04:54:36 mircea_popescu: do the math, of what's the cost per calorie to fatten a woman

04:54:40 asciilifeform: very economical in the broad sense (sealed mine)

04:54:44 mircea_popescu: then see what you could get, per calorie, as biodiesel.

04:54:50 asciilifeform: but you, the farmer, did not fatten her

04:54:53 asciilifeform: she fattened 'free range.'

04:54:56 mircea_popescu: so then i stole her ?

04:55:00 asciilifeform: hunted.

04:55:04 mircea_popescu: mno. economics is a science of closed systems.

04:55:21 asciilifeform: what are mineral resources then.

04:55:33 mircea_popescu: this is why i am not in principle opposed to ecology.

04:55:36 decimation: I thought the point of the biodiesiel was to encourage the others

04:55:38 mircea_popescu: just to the idiotic parts thereof.

04:55:39 asciilifeform: pretty much the whole shebang runs on exquisitely non-renewable stuff

04:55:48 mircea_popescu: decimation then it's necessarily fractionary.

04:56:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a good objection. which is why i'm not fixated on ecology.

04:57:14 asciilifeform: nobody but chromosomally damaged midwestern usians imagines that closed cycle biodiesel is +ev. but it remains that something will have to be done with the... biomass.

04:57:27 decimation: fractionary << yes, ferment one, educate 1000 (at the fuel pump!)

04:58:24 mircea_popescu: decimation but then you'ver just shown why they'd rightfully not expect to be biodisel'd. 1 in 1000 shot.

04:58:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7796 @ 0.00043702 = 3.407 BTC [-]

04:58:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, as an one off thing.

04:58:46 asciilifeform: although there are interesting 'demo' cases. i once saw a set of photographs of a 'work of art' - a small coffee table, with a bioreactor. a lure of some electronic kind (acoustic?) led mice up a hollow leg and into the reactor. there, they would ferment, and charge a battery that would run the next iteration of the mouse-lift-zap-ferment cycle.

04:58:58 asciilifeform: it was, in fact, a basic toy chumpatron. the inspiration for my article re: same.

04:59:26 mircea_popescu: yes but simply making solar panels the same size or price would yield more.

04:59:32 asciilifeform: naturally

04:59:37 mircea_popescu: nature does these contortions, because nature's a whore.

04:59:38 asciilifeform: but does not beautify living room

04:59:42 asciilifeform: nor eliminate mice.

04:59:46 mircea_popescu: human artfulness however...

05:00:03 mircea_popescu: human artfulness is all male, and has horror of cunt.

05:00:12 mircea_popescu: because cunt fucking stains. especially corduroy.

05:00:20 asciilifeform: http://gizmodo.com/5146254/mousetrap-coffee-table-uses-its-victims-for-fuel

05:00:21 assbot: Mousetrap Coffee Table Uses Its Victims For Fuel ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkGU4k )

05:00:21 asciilifeform: ^ it.

05:00:46 decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.withouthotair.com/cD/page_284.shtml "The power per unit area of bioethanol from corn is astonishingly low. Just for fun, let’s report the numbers first in archaic units. 1 acre produces 122 bushels of corn per year, which makes 122 × 2.6 US gallons of ethanol, which at 84 000 BTU per gallon means a power per unit area of just 0.02 W/m2E – and we haven’t taken into account any of the energy losses in

05:00:47 assbot: Ch D Page 284: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkGV8j )

05:00:48 decimation: processing!"

05:00:54 mats: i bet the smell is awful

05:01:03 asciilifeform: decimation: see also mircea_popescu's article 'the corn thing'

05:03:12 decimation: the same guy who popularized ldpc codes wrote that book, which details the mathematical idiocy of 'renewables'

05:03:30 asciilifeform: it isn't much of a secret.

05:04:07 decimation: it accomplished nothing politically, but it's a good sourcebook for rough calculations of this sort

05:25:29 kakobrekla: whoever was asking for wot db dumps http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/

05:25:30 assbot: Index of /wot/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkIXFz )

05:27:19 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can include a 3rd file with signed sha hashes ?

05:27:31 kakobrekla: no.

05:28:01 kakobrekla: dumps are done nightly

05:28:13 kakobrekla: having key automatically sign the thing is meh

05:28:26 mircea_popescu: hm.

05:28:50 mircea_popescu: it guards at least against mitm and other issues.

05:28:58 mircea_popescu: allows to verify it genuinely came from there.

05:29:57 kakobrekla: yeah so youll be able to point finger at innocent kako

05:30:12 mircea_popescu: well yes.

05:30:32 kakobrekla: but im innocent.

05:30:33 asciilifeform: signed sha hashes << unless the server lives under kakobrekla's pillow, next to his kalash, this is inviting trouble

05:30:42 mircea_popescu: but trouble of a particular sort

05:30:46 mircea_popescu: as opposed to every kind and sort.

05:30:56 mircea_popescu: it can be a special, delegated key for this purpose alone.

05:31:29 mircea_popescu: re color revolutions : this bit of propaganda signed mark twain might be interesting https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/i2l/kls.html

05:31:30 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ccz8Al )

05:31:30 mircea_popescu: They tell it all: how I am wiping a nation of friendless creatures out of existence by every form of murder, for my private pocket's sake. But they never say, although they know it, that I have labored in the cause of religion at the same time and all the time, and have sent missionaries there (of a "convenient stripe," as they phrase it), to teach them the error of their ways and bring them to Him who is all mercy and

05:31:30 mircea_popescu: love, and who is the sleepless guardian and friend of all who suffer. They tell only what is against me, they will not tell what is in my favor.

05:31:31 mircea_popescu: They tell how England required of me a Commission of Inquiry into Congo atrocities, and how, to quiet that meddling country, with its disagreeable Congo Reform Association, made up of earls and bishops and John Morleys and university grandees and other dudes, more interested in other people's business than their own, I appointed it. Did it stop their mouths? No, they merely pointed out that it was a commission composed

05:31:36 mircea_popescu: wholly of my "Congo butchers," "the very men whose acts were to be inquired into."

05:31:45 mircea_popescu: turns out the first gaddafi was actually the king of belgium

05:31:54 mircea_popescu: and it further turns out that the method has been in use for well over 150 years.

05:32:34 asciilifeform: invented by u.s. abolitionists, afaik.

05:32:54 asciilifeform: ~200.

05:33:16 mircea_popescu: i guess that's where it traces properly huh.

05:33:33 mircea_popescu: of course, before they sunk the south, they sunk the so called "tavern lobby"

05:33:38 asciilifeform: mr mold actually did some passable work on the subject. he ended by zipping the stratagem into a single sentence, 'kick the beast till it bites, then shoot it'

05:34:27 mircea_popescu: the prohibition was not merely idiocy. it was a particular sort of vindictive idiocy, where the pencildicks got upset that politics was set by men, around beer

05:34:35 asciilifeform: aha.

05:34:41 mircea_popescu: and so kept telling the women about how politics should "properly" be set by old men around pulpits.

05:34:42 asciilifeform: this, afaik, is immensely well documented.

05:34:51 mircea_popescu: in a singular fit of stupidity, women went for it.

05:35:03 mircea_popescu: perhaps aided by the very homosexual attitudes of teh men at the time.

05:36:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, the 'kick the beast till it bites, then shoot it' observation is valid. i propose the solution is for the beast to threaten indefinitely.

05:37:13 asciilifeform: works, sorta, for north kr.

05:37:15 asciilifeform: for now.

05:37:30 mircea_popescu: extract compensation under threat, make sure compensation > kicking. let the cycle wear itself out.

05:39:25 mircea_popescu: it's actually how bismarck beat england into a pulp, and created the first germany.

05:39:33 mircea_popescu: just requires a lot of patience.

05:45:28 mircea_popescu: "they will resurrect and give new currency to such things as those, or to any other things that count against me, but they will not mention any act of mine that is in my favor. I have spent more money on art than any other monarch of my time, and they know it. Do they speak of it, do they tell about it? No, they do not. They prefer to work up what they call "ghastly statistics" into offensive kindergarten object lesson

05:45:29 mircea_popescu: s, whose purpose is to make sentimental people shudder, and prejudice them against me. They remark that "if the innocent blood shed in the Congo State by King Leopold were put in buckets and the buckets placed side by side, the line would stretch 2,000 miles; if the skeletons of his ten millions of starved and butchered dead could rise up and march in single file, it would take them seven months and four days to pass a

05:45:29 mircea_popescu: given point; if compacted together in a body, they would occupy more ground than St. Louis covers, World's Fair and all; if they should all clap their bony hands at once, the grisly crash would be heard a distance of --" Damnation, it makes me tired!"

05:45:43 mircea_popescu: infographs ? ted talks ? yep, about as un-novel as dirt.

05:50:16 mats: http://i.imgur.com/21o3yku.jpg manually cranked .bait

05:50:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKQCf )

05:51:41 mats: http://map.ipviking.com purty colors

05:51:42 assbot: Norse - IPViking Live ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKV8R )

05:52:35 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lndlf15tFq1qjw73oo1_500.jpg purdier b&w

05:52:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKZWk )

05:53:10 decimation: it's a good thing the Congo is independent and thriving, now that it lacks the terrible yoke of Leopold

05:54:19 mircea_popescu: definitely.

05:54:29 mircea_popescu: congo has never done better.

05:55:01 mircea_popescu: had the meddlesome leopold been still involved, how was england to push south africa to abandon rhodesia, with empty promises that once the man shots his own dog, the man won't be hanged himself.

05:59:19 decimation: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1713275,00.html < from moldbug's article

05:59:21 assbot: Come Back, Colonialism, All Is Forgiven - TIME ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkLIqu )

06:01:47 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/captaincazalla/status/557024272560824320

06:01:48 assbot: a battle ram for every asseteer who rides into battle! http://t.co/hKgjR9UY87

06:03:25 mats: destroy it with fire

06:03:43 mats: it looks like a turd

06:04:28 BingoBoingo: Well, they all kind of look like that.

06:04:43 BingoBoingo: I mean their eyes even have turd shaped pupils

06:08:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00043962 = 20.7501 BTC [+]

06:13:59 ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform recalls once reading that 'their' is 'obsolete,' and that the truly progressive (tm) types have made up new pronouns, 'ze', 've', fuck knows what els << i hold that "their" when used for a single entity is a crucifying offense

06:15:54 mats: http://www.ctv-egypt.com/2015/01/baghdadi-executes-56-isil-members-after.html

06:15:56 assbot: Baghdadi Executes 56 ISIL Members after Their Defeat in Southern Erbil | Ctv Egypt News ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkN7xh )

06:16:42 mircea_popescu: lul nice ram

06:17:33 mats: taking a page out of comrade Joseph's playbook

06:17:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's common usage. majesty plural.

06:19:07 mats: http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/15/women-ranger-school-assessment/21708147/

06:19:12 assbot: Female soldiers OKed for Ranger School in April ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNpEj )

06:19:48 mats: http://emergingequity.org/2015/01/16/al-qaeda-in-india-why-we-should-pay-attention-oped/

06:19:50 assbot: Al Qaeda In India: Why We Should Pay Attention – OpEd | EMerging Equity ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNrMh )

06:20:04 mircea_popescu: "Even amid the morbid decay, it comes as a shock to hear Le Blanc mourn colonialism. The venal, racist scramble by Europeans to possess Africa"

06:20:14 mircea_popescu: myeah, "the venal, racist scramble". right.

06:21:39 mircea_popescu: "They took this country by force," he says, with more than a touch of admiration. "If they came back, this time we'd give them the country for free." << there's a lot to this.

06:21:49 mircea_popescu: once there's enough men in #b-a, we probably COULD take over a country.

06:22:19 mircea_popescu: not clear anyone'd want to, or why.

06:24:35 mats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-hatched-plan-to-make-demon-toy-to-counter-bin-laden-influence/2014/06/19/cb3d571c-f0d0-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html

06:24:36 assbot: CIA hatched plan to make demon toy to counter Osama bin Laden’s influence - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNSqb )

06:26:18 mats: http://www.centcom.mil/en/news/articles/statement-from-u.s.-central-command-regarding-twitter-youtube-compromise

06:26:20 assbot: U.S. Central Command | Statement from U.S. Central Command Regarding Twitter/YouTube Compromise ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkO2xC )

06:27:42 mircea_popescu: ok this should be good.

06:28:08 mircea_popescu: "TAMPA, Fla. - Earlier today, U.S. Central Command's Twitter and YouTube sites were compromised for approximately 30 minutes. These sites reside on commercial, non-Defense Department servers and both sites have been temporarily taken offline while we look into the incident further."

06:28:35 mircea_popescu: one paragraph in, it becomes apparent that while the us central command has no idea of wtf is going on, nevertheless us central command is willing to lie.

06:36:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00044982 = 6.6124 BTC [+] {2}

06:37:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00045076 = 23.5747 BTC [+] {3}

06:38:18 mircea_popescu: !up Vexual

06:40:40 Vexual: mp, you were asking about what constitues 'the sticks' in oz. To my knowlegde it's anywhere with pathcy phone reception

06:41:16 mircea_popescu: ic

06:41:46 Vexual: whereas 'back of beyond' means you wont see another soul for a week, and 'dingo bumfuck' means theres people, but they give off a wolf creek kinda vibe

06:42:44 Vexual: they're really all measures off the feel of a city

06:43:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71029 @ 0.00044368 = 31.5141 BTC [-] {2}

06:44:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7121 @ 0.00043722 = 3.1134 BTC [-]

06:47:22 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt9f1ckXgW1qzpavwo1_500.jpg

06:47:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxrC3u )

06:47:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 63 @ 0.12506349 = 7.879 BTC [-] {5}

06:50:50 Vexual: ic the freckles have already been fucked off those two

06:53:25 mircea_popescu: they carry freckles inside.

06:55:11 mircea_popescu: !up felipelalli

06:55:36 mircea_popescu: see on the site, MPEx Listing. see http://fraudsters.com/category/sqntr/ as well.

06:55:36 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxtqtx )

06:58:37 felipelalli: bella illustration.

07:00:14 mircea_popescu: !up Neil_

07:00:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7308 @ 0.00045343 = 3.3137 BTC [+]

07:00:54 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you. Is that possible to buy these shares on OTC or only in MPEx?

07:01:22 mircea_popescu: to buy anything otc you need to find a party that'll sell.

07:01:31 mircea_popescu: you may look into a broker for mpex, like coinbr.com

07:03:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27916 @ 0.00045475 = 12.6948 BTC [+]

07:03:57 felipelalli: Thank you mircea_popescu. Any relation with https://www.coinbr.net/ ?

07:04:01 assbot: CoinBr ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxv2Dz )

07:04:32 mircea_popescu: nope.

07:27:21 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7anAOhIEAAuncK.jpg

07:27:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxA035 )

07:27:25 punkman: !up Vexual

07:28:35 Vexual: hi

07:29:03 Vexual: blogs? ain't no body got time for that

07:29:15 Vexual: i'm saving up for an mpex acct

07:29:18 punkman: i had kangaroo the other day, better than I expected

07:29:33 Vexual: really?

07:30:17 mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately," I said, "at present the Hague Tribunal is not armed with the powers of an international assize court, nor is it qualified to place offenders, crowned or otherwise, in the dock. But don't you think that in the evolution of society the constitution of such a criminal court is a necessity?"

07:30:17 mircea_popescu: "It would be a great convenience at present," said Mr. Harris; "nor would you need one atom of evidence beyond the report of the Commission to justify the hanging of whoever is responsible for the existence and continuance of such abominations."

07:30:20 Vexual: it's hard to do right

07:30:25 mircea_popescu: early history of the nurnberg courts, too.

07:31:48 punkman: Vexual: couple small steaks, tasted kinda like beef

07:32:33 mats: http://www.gofundme.com/kbr4a4 heartbreak hotel

07:32:35 assbot: Help Us Recover From an Online Scam by Kay Lusk - GoFundMe ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxB0nW )

07:32:49 punkman: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/557037505162543105

07:32:51 assbot: What if Linus Torvalds is just angry because he's had to use Linux for 20 years

07:32:57 mircea_popescu: why should they recover ? "so we can give some other scammer money later on" ?

07:33:11 Vexual: thats interesting punkman

07:33:37 Vexual: i'd like to try souvlaki roo

07:33:47 mircea_popescu: "InfoSec Taylor Swift" ? seriosuly ?

07:33:55 mircea_popescu: is this more libertard "women in tech" ?

07:34:19 punkman: it's satire

07:34:27 punkman: but yeah dunno

07:34:54 Vexual: he might be a fan, they're everywhere

07:34:55 mircea_popescu: oh, "it's satire" i see.

07:35:07 mircea_popescu: "satire" is not here for these cancerous fags to hide behind.

07:35:59 mats: http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ >> repost re: swift on security

07:36:00 assbot: Taylor Swift quotes by @SwiftOnSecurity - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1xn3v1J )

07:36:49 mats: some of these aren't bad

07:37:30 mats: " you belong on the internet of things because you're a tool"

07:37:36 Vexual: lol

07:38:04 Vexual: but still no

07:38:23 mircea_popescu: " These online scammers extensively preyed on my trusting nature. I was mailed a "secure, verified" check for $2750 that I deposited into my account and was promptly tricked into sending almost all of this money to "the toy shop owner" so that he could ship the toys. "

07:38:23 mircea_popescu: eh.

07:38:57 Vexual: cost me $5

07:39:24 mircea_popescu: "Before all of this mess we were already financially struggling. To say that we were living paycheck-to-paycheck is an understatment. My boyfriend is currently underemployed and in school. I gave up 90% of the hours at my job in order to take this fake nanny job. I tried to explain all of this to the credit union but they were very callous with us saying that our priority needed to be on finding better paying jobs so

07:39:24 mircea_popescu: that we could pay off this debt. "

07:39:25 mircea_popescu: duh.,

07:39:28 mircea_popescu: callous eh ?

07:39:33 mats: heh.

07:39:36 mircea_popescu: banks should get fucking pillories.

07:39:53 Vexual: why bitcoin is better than a bank cheque

07:40:19 mircea_popescu: that's what i'd like. for all retail establishments to get a pillory per 1mn yearly custom. then do some customer support in the form of, if you piss anyone off while on the premises, 10 minutes' flogging.

07:40:46 mircea_popescu: and if you forget to thank the nice whipperperson for your lesson, 10 more.

07:40:58 mats: my grandmother got a phone call from 'a police sergeant' saying i was in county prison and needed to be bailed out before being inevitably deflowered

07:41:02 mircea_popescu: ". I asked if there were any resources to help us and they declined to mention even one. This was despite my protests that we currently do not even have enough money for rent and food.

07:41:03 mircea_popescu: In an attempt to restore our faith in humanity"

07:41:21 mircea_popescu: "humanity" owes them. because 'humanity' is daddy and daddy always paid whatever bottles they broke.

07:41:21 mats: she sent $2k via WU without even calling me.

07:41:41 mircea_popescu: wow spanish prisoner trick ?!

07:41:49 mircea_popescu: that's like... 6 ? 12 ? centuries old.

07:42:08 punkman: older for sure

07:44:04 punkman: although the spanish prisoner scam bets on greed. bail prisoner out so you can get that nigerian gold.

07:44:57 Vexual: mats, did you call the cops yet?

07:45:38 mircea_popescu: well at the time people tended to know if their grandkids were at the house or not

07:45:45 mats: money's gone n its not coming back

07:46:18 Vexual: wu usually has details

07:46:54 punkman: yeah but any bum can run a WU "office"

07:47:52 Vexual: gran would have a name etc

07:48:42 Vexual: meh 2 gran lesson

07:50:57 Vexual: feining a kidnap is kinda harsh tho

07:51:27 mats: "Sometimes... I look out the window and think... We're one cyberwar away from falling over. This can all be undone by a few lines of code. And maybe it will. Maybe then we will repent. For the arrogance that we could live so tall, with so little thought to what supports beneath."

07:54:57 mats: http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/gentoo-hardening-part-3-using-checksec-2/

07:54:58 assbot: Gentoo Hardening: Part 3: Using Checksec - InfoSec Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxFL0B )

07:56:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70550 @ 0.00044916 = 31.6882 BTC [-] {2}

08:02:09 mats: http://beforeitsnews.com/markets/2015/01/bill-clinton-and-underage-sex-slaves-this-could-be-the-end-for-hillarys-presidential-run-in-2016-2477774.html

08:02:10 assbot: Bill Clinton And Underage Sex Slaves – This Could Be The End For Hillary’s Presidential Run In 2016 | Markets ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxHoLI )

08:04:03 mats: interesting claims

08:04:27 mats: !up Vexual

08:04:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00043716 = 14.9509 BTC [-] {2}

08:04:51 mircea_popescu: hahawut

08:05:00 Vexual: most of them are 17?

08:05:24 mircea_popescu: bill clinton can actually get it up ?!

08:05:36 Vexual: lol

08:05:46 Vexual: hillary can

08:06:20 mircea_popescu: "If it can be proven that Bill Clinton had sex with underage girls provided by Jeffrey Epstein, that could potentially destroy any chance that Hillary Clinton has of winning the presidency in 2016."

08:06:23 mircea_popescu: this logic...

08:06:34 mats: lol

08:06:37 Vexual: shes definately over 17

08:07:03 mircea_popescu: "sex slave" and "paid 15k'

08:07:13 mircea_popescu: i dun think these people comprehend what slave means.

08:10:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81850 @ 0.00046021 = 37.6682 BTC [+] {3}

08:12:50 Vexual: https://www.tmz.com/2015/01/12/monica-lewinsky-golden-globes-party-video-vote-hillary-clinton/

08:19:42 Vexual: in other news, mcafee is on the lamb again up ben10s way

08:26:03 Vexual: maybe he can take him in and learn sme c

08:30:39 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp-YPWnGmLg

08:55:18 Naphex: !up vexual

08:55:24 Naphex: morning o/

09:11:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00046895 = 17.7263 BTC [+] {4}

09:12:23 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/xcuQVjY.png

09:12:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0qOnA )

09:12:27 fluffypony: booths at Bitcoin conferences

09:23:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.00046976 = 29.8532 BTC [+] {2}

09:30:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00047171 = 30.1894 BTC [+] {3}

09:36:14 Naphex: !up Vexual

09:36:38 Vexual: heyo

09:47:00 Vexual: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh50c_duran-duran-girls-on-film-uncensore_music

09:49:10 Vexual: its a thing

09:56:36 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSD11dnphg0

10:19:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20989 @ 0.00047368 = 9.9421 BTC [+]

10:28:38 davout: !up itkin

10:29:00 itkin: davout: thx gros !

10:29:08 davout: !down itkin

10:30:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00046203 = 18.3657 BTC [-] {2}

10:41:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35043 @ 0.0004607 = 16.1443 BTC [-]

11:09:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00045576 = 27.8469 BTC [-] {2}

11:11:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20910 @ 0.00047385 = 9.9082 BTC [+] {2}

12:01:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53550 @ 0.00047291 = 25.3243 BTC [-] {2}

12:12:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57500 @ 0.00047454 = 27.2861 BTC [+] {3}

12:18:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51653 @ 0.0004801 = 24.7986 BTC [+] {2}

12:37:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.00048242 = 30.0548 BTC [+] {2}

12:47:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00048396 = 16.382 BTC [+] {2}

12:54:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15324 @ 0.00048544 = 7.4389 BTC [+]

13:01:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3876 @ 0.00048104 = 1.8645 BTC [-]

13:07:02 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 18000 @ 0.000205 = 3.69 BTC [+]

13:21:59 jurov: felipelalli: no coinbr.net is completely different company

13:37:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38480 @ 0.00048402 = 18.6251 BTC [+]

13:41:13 BingoBoingo: One BR is broker, other BR is Brazil. Nothing in common.

13:48:02 danielpbarron: Two blondes walk into a bar; one says to the other, "I slept with two Brazilian men last night." The other replies, "Wow! I've never even met that many people!"

13:50:31 fluffypony: hah hah

13:51:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00048402 = 19.869 BTC [+]

14:02:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00048104 = 6.8067 BTC [-]

14:03:40 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/lizardstresser-hacked-customer-details-leaked/

14:03:40 assbot: LizardStresser Hacked, Customer Details Leaked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiQsCX )

14:03:53 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell PeterL scoopbot seems constipated again

14:03:53 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:12:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16577 @ 0.00048104 = 7.9742 BTC [-]

14:29:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6744 @ 0.00048104 = 3.2441 BTC [-]

14:41:49 danielpbarron: ;;later tell Rozal New rating | Rozal > -10 > cazalla | SCAMMER - Stole 1 BTC from me, and is a known scammer on other nicks http://pastebin.com/ApyavW5T. DO NOT TRADE / DEAL. << pastebin is your signed OTP..

14:41:50 assbot: Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/15l2MHB )

14:41:50 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:48:31 BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/PABNbsex

14:48:32 assbot: <Rozal> h <Rozal> hi <Rozal> i hate people who abuse the rating system <Rozal - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CGXr7N )

14:49:51 mats: lol

14:50:46 BingoBoingo: So this rating of cazalla seems to be the lamest extortion attempt ever.

14:51:53 danielpbarron: !gettrust Rozal

14:51:55 assbot: Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Rozal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 5 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/Rozal | http://w.b-a.link/user/Rozal

14:51:55 chetty: lamest is getting like first/best/greatest

14:54:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13926 @ 0.00048454 = 6.7477 BTC [+] {2}

14:56:10 danielpbarron: oo i get to try out the new rating system

14:56:21 danielpbarron: log incoming

14:56:47 danielpbarron: !ident Rozal

14:56:53 danielpbarron: ;;ident Rozal

14:56:54 gribble: Nick 'Rozal', with hostmask 'Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo', is identified as user 'Rozal', with GPG key id 1C6C480917AD74D9, key fingerprint D80FB0CF5F65CDC0EC40AF051C6C480917AD74D9, and bitcoin address 1DUDE1aJyNEcV1iqKA3SUqJB3QaWUfoFNz

14:59:38 danielpbarron: !rate Rozal -2 contradicted himself http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A5GMizeN

14:59:38 assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

14:59:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15l8J7k )

15:00:24 kakobrekla: hm

15:00:54 kakobrekla: why u dont like -2 assbot ?

15:01:50 kakobrekla: imma fix

15:01:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42323 @ 0.00048595 = 20.5669 BTC [+] {2}

15:02:04 xanthyos: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uHFWUIUAAgjZQ.jpg << fuck the certain price of goods

15:02:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15l9tcx )

15:06:09 mats: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/bartiromo/2015/01/11/bartiromo-saudi-prince-alwaleed-oil-100-barrel/21484911/

15:06:11 assbot: Saudi prince: $100-a-barrel oil 'never' again ... ( http://bit.ly/15laPE3 )

15:08:04 chetty: http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-prosecutor-accused-fernandez-iran-plot-found-dead-073033179.html

15:08:06 assbot: Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/15lbpSc )

15:12:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00048827 = 18.8716 BTC [+] {2}

15:17:31 danielpbarron: !up Rozal

15:18:00 Rozal: ;;unrate danielpbarron

15:18:01 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for danielpbarron.

15:18:06 danielpbarron: lolk

15:18:41 Rozal: sorry danielpbarron

15:18:44 thestringpuller: 'danielpbarron is in channel. regenerate hp twice as fast.'

15:21:39 BingoBoingo: ;;rate Rozal -10 Apparently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q

15:21:40 assbot: dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lg2f3 )

15:21:40 danielpbarron: I forgive you Rozal, but if that was an attempt to get me to remove my rating, it was misguided

15:21:40 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Rozal has been recorded.

15:22:00 BingoBoingo: !rate Rozal -10 Appartently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q

15:22:00 assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

15:22:01 assbot: dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lgdXM )

15:22:17 Rozal: ;;rate -10 BingoBoingo Scammer who works with Cazalla

15:22:18 gribble: Error: 'BingoBoingo' is not a valid integer.

15:22:31 danielpbarron: lol what alternate universe is this that assbot is enforcing a "postive rating only" policy

15:23:16 BingoBoingo: !rate -10 Rozal Apparently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q

15:23:16 assbot: -10 is not registered in WoT.

15:23:17 assbot: dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lgdXM )

15:23:18 Rozal: ;;rate danielpbarron -10 Scammer that works with danielpbarron

15:23:20 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.

15:23:31 Rozal: ;;rate BingoBoingo -10 Scammer that works with danielpbarron

15:23:32 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

15:24:24 Rozal: now we all love the trust system

15:24:29 danielpbarron: is that all, Rozal?

15:24:35 Rozal: that's it.

15:24:40 danielpbarron: !down Rozal

15:25:40 danielpbarron: nice paste, BingoBoingo

15:25:48 danielpbarron: i need to step up my game

15:26:08 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: This is serious business. If you make and sign allegations you need to support them.

15:26:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67074 @ 0.00048878 = 32.7844 BTC [+] {2}

15:26:39 BingoBoingo: !up Rozal

15:26:52 mats: drama mondays

15:26:53 Rozal: ;;unrate danielpbarron

15:26:55 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for danielpbarron.

15:26:58 Rozal: ;;unrate BingoBoingo

15:26:59 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for BingoBoingo.

15:27:06 Rozal: ;;unrate cazalla

15:27:07 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for cazalla.

15:27:15 davout: poor log readers...

15:27:32 BingoBoingo: Rozal: My rating of you isn't disappearing. You made serious allegations over what seems to be a mutual dislike of each other.

15:27:37 Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings

15:28:03 Rozal: BingoBoingo: it's okay, it's my fault

15:28:11 Rozal: I should just grow up

15:28:18 BingoBoingo: Rozal: I am fine with you rating me -10 because you dislike me, but your serious falsification... my rating of you will endure.

15:28:19 davout: Rozal: time to get a new wot identity I guess :-)

15:28:58 Rozal: so be it

15:29:21 Rozal: I won't return anyones negatives

15:29:25 *: teward raises an eyebrow and looks at Rozal

15:30:13 Rozal: teward: I was mad that 'cazalla' ruined my ratings because he didn't like my jokes

15:30:56 Rozal: despite showing humility, he refused to remove his ratings - so I over reacted

15:31:32 *: teward yawns

15:31:44 teward: Rozal: looking at the ratings log made me think "What the...?"

15:31:50 teward: hence my raising the eyebrow :)

15:32:10 teward: in other news, coffee is now overpriced on campus - someone should be funding my coffee habits

15:34:23 BingoBoingo: Campus coffee prices are some of the worst. Desperate population and limited vendors.

15:35:01 mats: use a staff break room.

15:35:28 mats: i musta consumed tens of thousands of dollars in beans and k-cups doing that.

15:35:35 BingoBoingo: ^ That was one perk of grad school. Access to break rooms.

15:36:09 xanthyos: !up mircea_popescu

15:36:33 mircea_popescu: why ty

15:36:44 rithm: can someone explain this rozal dram to me in a tl:dr fashion it interests me

15:36:44 xanthyos: heh

15:37:00 rithm: trying to read buffer but the topic interests me

15:37:25 BingoBoingo: rithm: It's in this paste http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q

15:37:27 assbot: dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/1ABPEFz )

15:37:34 mats: i guess someone squatted cazalla's nick?

15:37:37 rithm: ;;ratingsystem getrating rozal

15:37:37 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo . User Rozal, rated since Thu Jan 17 09:32:27 2013. Cumulative rating 45, from 44 total ratings. Received ratings: 41 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 43 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rozal

15:37:45 BingoBoingo: rithm: He got into a neg rating war with cazalla and fabricated theft allegations.

15:38:12 xanthyos: wow

15:38:20 kakobrekla: !rate -2 assbot test

15:38:20 assbot: -2 is not registered in WoT.

15:38:21 mircea_popescu: but... why ?!

15:38:26 kakobrekla: !rate assbot -2 test

15:38:26 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3c714a5f55f151ab

15:38:31 kakobrekla: thar

15:38:34 mats: cazalla doesnt play well with others

15:38:52 rithm: fwiw i've had issues with starbucks gift cards with this user i suspected fraud

15:38:58 rithm: that's why i notice

15:39:20 rithm: it was cleared up

15:39:21 mircea_popescu: starbuks gift cards ?!

15:39:36 rithm: heavily discounted

15:39:51 rithm: you know what they say about things being too good to be true right

15:40:04 mats: rithm likes his iced skinny mocha lattes

15:40:14 mircea_popescu: it kinda blew my mind. probably for no good reason, objectively.

15:40:27 rithm: no not i the female counterpart

15:40:29 BingoBoingo: !rate Rozal -10 Apparently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q admits fabrication http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318

15:40:29 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9108da815414d5d4

15:40:30 assbot: dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lmumo )

15:40:30 assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings

15:40:32 rithm: love the starbucks

15:40:47 mircea_popescu: just... coffee is this triviality, of no financial consequence. however, inviting oine for coffee is either sexual or whatever.

15:41:04 rithm: so much facepalm

15:41:08 mircea_popescu: so giving someone a coffee gift card is like... "go fuck yourself" ? ie, let's have a cup of coffee but without me there ?

15:41:11 rithm: coffe to me is trivial

15:41:21 rithm: coffee to others is some type of retarded status symbol

15:41:22 mircea_popescu: and then you paid for that ?!?!?!

15:41:39 mircea_popescu: but obv none of this has much if at all to do with you or teh starbux

15:42:13 xanthyos: starbucks is popular enough to have become a perfect money laundering system with their gift codes

15:42:18 rithm: i live under a rock on the internet

15:42:24 rithm: plz be kind.

15:43:08 BingoBoingo: Basically coffee gift cards are a sort of tide USD

15:43:32 mircea_popescu: but a bucket of tide is like 60 bux neh ?

15:43:50 rithm: idk where i can buy tide 50% off

15:44:12 xanthyos: starbucks cards are irreversible paypal

15:44:30 mod6: 4.43L Tide = 17.09 USD

15:46:14 mod6: lol, 17.09 with coupon, $17.99 retail price @ target

15:47:35 mircea_popescu: that's not bad.

15:48:23 mircea_popescu: ;;google how many cups of starbucks coffee in one gallon of tide

15:48:24 gribble: Folgers Mild Breakfast Blend Ground Coffee, 29.2 oz - Walmart.com: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Folgers-Mild-Breakfast-Blend-Ground-Coffee-29.2-oz/11964636; The Savvy Lady -: http://thesavvylady.com/; Travel Supplies for Europe: Small Stuff Packing List. - Enjoy-Europe: http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap06/travelsupplies.htm

15:48:30 mircea_popescu: oic

15:51:19 thestringpuller: http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/temp/2014-08-03-bitcoin-alley-color-x640.png << this been seen yet?

15:52:07 thestringpuller: know its a bit old lol

15:52:35 mircea_popescu: what did the victim say to the rapist ?

15:52:51 mircea_popescu: Dum licet, in rebus jucundis vive beatus. Vive memor quam sis aevi brevis.

15:57:17 mircea_popescu: prolly Conington's got the best version. "Then take, good sir, your pleasure while you may. With life so short 'twere wrong to lose a day."

15:58:21 davout: much better than google translate

15:58:31 thestringpuller: https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/Dum%20licet%2C%20in%20rebus%20jucundis%20vive%20beatus.%20Vive%20memor%20quam%20sis%20aevi%20brevis. << yea

15:58:41 thestringpuller: "While it may, in the case of the delights of live happy. Live mindful of how brief your time."

15:59:10 davout: "all your delights are belong to the mindful brief time"

15:59:13 mircea_popescu: that's a little more ominous :)

15:59:37 mircea_popescu: but works, yes. "have fun for what it's worth, mister. your time is short."

15:59:56 thestringpuller: "Cause I'ma cut your dick off in your sleep."

16:00:05 mircea_popescu: i wonder why all these derps ranting on and on about "empathy" never manage to produce one. imagine a victim like that.

16:00:24 mircea_popescu: empathy is the fundament of all literature, for the reason that it's the fundament of all humanity. but empty palaver doth not an empathy make.

16:00:34 thestringpuller: social justice warriors are not very empathetic to begin with.

16:00:38 mircea_popescu: quite not.

16:01:11 thestringpuller: i think they are self serving "goodness".

16:01:31 mircea_popescu: whole pile o' ought. exactly the opposite of empathy.

16:01:38 thestringpuller: the kind of "more righteous than thou" crowd, but dressed up as hippies.

16:01:40 mircea_popescu: chiefly, the substance of boring.

16:01:49 mircea_popescu: myeah, we see the same one beast.

16:02:07 thestringpuller: as you said on fraudsters, "It's going the way of the sitcom"

16:02:11 thestringpuller: or something like that

16:06:00 BingoBoingo: !up bertani

16:06:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26825 @ 0.00049148 = 13.184 BTC [+] {2}

16:08:15 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing horatius,

16:08:16 mircea_popescu: "Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida."

16:08:51 mircea_popescu: true men aren't swayed by redditarded frenzy, nor by soviet pretense to power.

16:09:54 mircea_popescu: fluffypony who made teh cartoon ?

16:10:18 mircea_popescu: !s stolfi

16:10:19 assbot: 3 results for 'stolfi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stolfi

16:10:35 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no clue

16:11:10 mircea_popescu: In late 2013 Jorge took an active interest in the economics of cryptocurrencies. He became extremely skeptical about its underlying soundness and chances of success, and has been advising the Brazilian public against investment in bitcoin.

16:11:13 mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Stolfi

16:11:15 assbot: Jorge Stolfi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2eGlN )

16:11:15 thestringpuller: jorge stolfi is a well hidden dude

16:11:23 thestringpuller: or not

16:11:25 thestringpuller: XD

16:11:57 danielpbarron: !rate Rozal -10 http://danielpbarron.com/Rozal.asc.txt

16:11:57 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9. This may take a few moments.

16:11:57 assbot: Key 9D961AC9 / "Daniel P. Barron (danielpbarron)" successfully imported.

16:11:57 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/07fa06bebb8415a5

16:11:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2eNxJ )

16:12:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/lizardstresser-hacked-customer-details-leaked/ << lmao epic scoop.

16:12:49 assbot: LizardStresser Hacked, Customer Details Leaked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2f4Rr )

16:13:54 kakobrekla: >especially since storing user data as plaintext indicates that the group likely made further and still graver lapses in technological and operational security.

16:13:55 kakobrekla: nah

16:13:58 kakobrekla: thats intentional

16:14:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57449 @ 0.00048811 = 28.0414 BTC [-]

16:14:48 mircea_popescu: chetty: http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-prosecutor-accused-fernandez-iran-plot-found-dead-073033179.html << wow.

16:14:50 assbot: Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cd58nJ )

16:14:56 asciilifeform: 'had problems.'

16:15:18 mircea_popescu: definitely.

16:16:14 mircea_popescu: "Everything indicates it was a suicide," Secretary of National Security Sergio Berni told local television. "We have to see if gunpowder is found on his hands."

16:16:27 mircea_popescu: so... "nothing indicates it was a suicide, but we'll lie about it."

16:16:56 asciilifeform: at least he didn't fellate a nailgun. or sew himself into a sack afterwards.

16:17:03 mircea_popescu: i mean... the circumstances are such that he'd have been killed, and dunno yet if powder residue. literlaly nothing indicates a suicide.

16:17:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suicide with a .22 ?

16:17:18 mircea_popescu: gimme a break.

16:17:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol

16:17:28 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Rozal.-10:43ae443061902db3b67328f3d62f0487148cc47aaa53abcf854c7696be4ca674

16:17:28 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -10 for Rozal with note: http://danielpbarron.com/Rozal.asc.txt

16:17:35 mircea_popescu: "He was alone in the apartment," prosecutor Viviana Fein told reporters. "There are no witnesses." << probably the best reason to keep a harem ever.

16:17:47 asciilifeform: 'harem also suicided'

16:17:50 mircea_popescu: orly.

16:17:52 asciilifeform: from grief.

16:17:53 asciilifeform: lol

16:18:02 mircea_popescu: good story brah.

16:18:07 mircea_popescu: the pregnant 16yo also ?

16:18:22 mircea_popescu: "sure. prepostpartum."

16:18:32 mircea_popescu: "and pms"

16:18:47 asciilifeform: 'if ya don't believe this lie is true, ask the blind man, he saw it too'

16:19:17 mircea_popescu: Argentine Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich had said Nisman's allegations were "crazy, absurd, illogical, irrational, ridiculous, unconstitutional".

16:19:18 mircea_popescu: lol

16:19:32 mircea_popescu: unconstitutional accusiations. capitanich sounds more like ximenez each day.

16:19:57 mircea_popescu: the jackie childs school of rhetorics

16:20:41 mircea_popescu: and all this over oil, which is now cheap.

16:24:39 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/lizardstresser-hacked-customer-details-leaked/ << lmao epic scoop. << It's the one I've been waiting for. Anticipated the thing only meriting an epitaph.

16:24:39 assbot: LizardStresser Hacked, Customer Details Leaked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cd5Tgy )

16:27:23 mircea_popescu: Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings << wut the fuck going on there ?!

16:27:50 mircea_popescu: Rozal: despite showing humility, he refused to remove his ratings - so I over reacted << is this klye ?

16:28:07 davout: kakobrekla: so are assbot and -otc's wots completely forked or is there some sort of sync?

16:28:24 mircea_popescu: teward: in other news, coffee is now overpriced on campus - someone should be funding my coffee habits << job board's this way http://fraudsters.com/category/job-board/

16:28:25 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cd677x )

16:28:26 kakobrekla: no sync atm

16:28:42 mircea_popescu: davout tryin' to work out a sync paradigm with nanotube

16:28:57 davout: okidoki

16:29:23 davout: mircea_popescu: also i read a bit more about merged mining yesteday and today, especially how merge-mining namecoin came to be

16:29:28 mircea_popescu: in any case imported ratings in either wot would be marked as such

16:29:36 davout: which makes sense

16:29:49 davout: so re the merge-mining it looks like namecoin had to be hard-forked to support it

16:29:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.00047861 = 30.6789 BTC [-] {3}

16:30:13 davout: so i don't really see how it'd be possible to merge mine two bitcoin forks

16:30:38 mircea_popescu: what'd be the difficulty ?

16:31:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Best I can tell it's a nobody. But they had a bunch of perfect ratings from tiny trades.

16:31:45 bertani: davout: I don't get your point, why shouldn't it?

16:32:02 davout: mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. "

16:33:04 BingoBoingo: <davout> mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. " << Basically this is my understanding. Both Bitcoin's would insist on being the "Parent" unl

16:33:04 BingoBoingo: ess gavincoin is also hardforking to allow AuxPOW

16:33:17 davout: bertani: because if you need one of the chains to be somehow aware of the merge mining you'd need a second hardfork after the first block size related hardfork

16:33:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo at the point prior to forking, the only difference between the two is version.

16:33:53 davout: well, maybe if we sell it to reddit as an opportunity to increase adoption ...

16:33:57 mircea_popescu: putting out blocks with both versions isn't actually putting out different blocks is it ?

16:34:42 BingoBoingo: Well, it is once the chains require different blocks because they've forked...

16:34:47 davout: the version is part of the header, so the solution for one header doesn't work for the other

16:34:48 mircea_popescu: i guess this "merge mining' business needs moar looking into.

16:35:14 kakobrekla: bitcoin merged mined with bitcoin is bad idea.

16:35:19 davout: i don't think the way you propose to use merge mining actually works

16:35:27 davout: or i mean, is actually feasible

16:36:58 mircea_popescu: hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is.

16:37:18 mircea_popescu: i had thought different chains had to be forked to mm because of their different origin. but that's not what happens in merged mining at all.

16:37:40 mircea_popescu: what happens is that a hash of a block of the lower chain is inserted in bitcoin blocks, and then the lower chain accepts this as "just as good" proof.

16:37:53 mircea_popescu: better ways to ruin scamcoins than merge-mine them doth not exist huh.

16:38:08 BingoBoingo: Basically Bitch chain depends on the Master chain.

16:38:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, that spec'll hafta be revised, but needs more thinking.

16:38:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yup. my cluelessness about alts is showing huh.

16:38:39 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, that's what the channel's for.

16:39:49 davout: !b 2

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16:40:23 kakobrekla: hey thats insulting

16:42:15 mircea_popescu: check out dooglus (who isn't a gavin-approved economist, in spite of being exactly as certified&educated in the topic as the random idiots a la Oleg Andreev et all) explaining economics :

16:42:38 mircea_popescu: At any given time there is a certain amount of demand for a Bitcoin like currency to make transactions. That need doesn?t increase with more competition. That means that the transactional demand for Bitcoin is really the same as the transactional demand for all substantially similar forms of payment. As more currencies are competing to fill the same demand they actually reduce the demand for the other currencies as t

16:42:38 mircea_popescu: hey become more widely used.

16:42:38 mircea_popescu: This means that ultimately, to the extent that currencies are interchangeable to end users, merged mining does not increase the overall security of the networks. The demand for currencies drives the price (and thus the value of the reward). Increased demand for any given currency results in decreased demand for others, lowering the incentive to mine for the other currencies. The total incentive is a function of total d

16:42:43 mircea_popescu: emand for all Bitcoin like currencies.

16:42:45 mircea_popescu: Except now competing currencies can market themselves as ?as secure as Bitcoin but with lower transaction fees.? In other words there is a race to the bottom among competing currencies to offer the lowest transaction fees, because lowering the transaction fee doesn?t hurt the security of the network in comparison to the other merged mining networks. Users, following their own self interest, will adopt the currenc

16:42:46 davout: so, if i understand correctly, the way this thing works is that it attracts moar miners through the bonus mechanism, which in turn contributes to killing-off gavincoin amirite

16:42:50 mircea_popescu: y with the lowest transaction fees as long as it has the same security of the competitors.

16:42:52 mircea_popescu: This will increase the price of the currency with the lowest transaction fee (because demand for the currency is higher), and decrease the price of the currencies with higher transactions fees (because demand for those currencies is dropping as it is being filled by demand for the competing currency). Because the currencies with the higher transaction fees were the ones generating the incentive to mine, overall incenti

16:42:57 mircea_popescu: ve to mine will diminish. As long as a currency?s mining is merged with the freeloading currency, it will be powerless to increase incentives by imposing mandatory transaction fees.

16:43:00 mircea_popescu: The result will be a decrease in mining incentive, a decrease in mining, and ultimately all networks that allow merged mining will become insecure.

16:43:03 mircea_popescu: edited Apr 6 '12 at 4:35 Chris Moore

16:43:08 mircea_popescu: davout was the original design.

16:43:09 mats: a .22 can be quite deadly

16:43:21 mats: just ... don't shoot the guy in the forehead. put it in an eye.

16:43:48 mats: the round'll tumble once it gets in there.

16:43:49 mircea_popescu: mats and water can be quite healthy. doesn't make it the cure for life threatening conditions does it ?

16:44:32 mircea_popescu: i mean, if you're going to do it, why risk you just lose an eye ? survivors even after a 12 gauge shot exist.

16:46:10 kakobrekla: well speaking of risk, why not a hand grenade in mouth.

16:46:23 mircea_popescu: because most people can't get frags.

16:46:45 mircea_popescu: also plenty of people are vain and want open casket funerals

16:47:04 mircea_popescu: (frag will leave visible kidneys)(

16:47:04 *: kakobrekla had a frag at home as a kid

16:47:18 mircea_popescu: well... somaliland

16:48:28 mircea_popescu: !up STRML_

16:48:31 kakobrekla: euroafrica

16:49:34 mircea_popescu: davout it IS perhaps possible to create some sort of equivalency tables so that "Hi this is Bitcoinblock 1 with nonce 1456546456456456" and "Hi this is Gavincoin with nonce 3489759348759834" hash-collide.

16:49:47 mircea_popescu: then mine both blocks as the same hash.

16:50:03 mats: folklore claims that the round is uniquely deadly because it loses penetrating power after passing through bone the first time, and then just bounces around blending the brain matter until it exits the skull

16:50:10 TomServo: Rozal | I won't return anyones negatives << Turns out, not so much. On gribble's side of the wot anyway.

16:50:18 TomServo: ^and this kind of sucks.

16:50:35 mats: whereas with a higher calibre it might just go straight through.

16:50:46 mircea_popescu: mats i heard that theory more about the .38 as a better suicide weapon than the .45

16:51:06 mircea_popescu: i never heard anyone seriously propose bb guns for the job

16:51:24 mircea_popescu: if you really want that effect, fill a hunting weapon with quailshot and have at it.

16:51:59 davout: mircea_popescu: what would be in that table?

16:52:32 mircea_popescu: davout i dunno, i'm no rainbow expert

16:52:52 mircea_popescu: "it is easy if you know what you're doing".

16:53:42 STRML: Thanks

16:54:36 mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?

16:55:32 kakobrekla: !up STRML

16:56:37 STRML: Appreciated. voicing here is a bit strange

16:56:40 mircea_popescu: 2**32

16:56:43 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2**32

16:56:43 gribble: 4294967296

16:57:02 mircea_popescu: so each ~4.3 Gh the nonce overflows. hm.

16:57:32 mircea_popescu: really the nonce should have been 64bit.

16:58:00 mircea_popescu: i guess satoshi not only ran a windows machine with c, but it was a 32bit thing

16:58:15 davout: mircea_popescu: for the first >1mb block you will necessarily have a different merkle root, so you can't possibly have the same block hash at any point afterwards

16:58:45 mircea_popescu: davout yeh i am surrendered, merging doesn't work like i thought it would.

17:00:31 mircea_popescu: davout http://fraudsters.com/2015/rfc-the-gavin-assassinsen-memorial-mining-pool-implementation/ there you go, degraded to rfc.

17:00:32 assbot: [RFC] The Gavin Assassinsen Memorial Mining Pool Implementation pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrL3uu )

17:02:31 davout: if you remove 1. then mining gavincoin blocks can be removed from the rfc as well

17:03:17 mircea_popescu: the principal utility of this thing is to guarantee the general public the ability to split its coins on the two chains

17:04:47 davout: so if i understand correctly, the main characteristic you want for this pool, is that it prioritizes double-spends of already-confirmed gavincoins when picking which txes to put in its blocks

17:05:02 davout: s/gavincoins/gavincoin txes/

17:05:09 mircea_popescu: something like that

17:05:44 mircea_popescu: actually you're right huh, it doesn't need to be trustless and that "send to pool" step is gunk.

17:06:02 mircea_popescu: it *could* just look for dblspent txs that made it on gavinchain and prioritize them

17:06:22 davout: yep

17:06:23 mircea_popescu: course, this is not actually needed either. miners already do that, in that they look for high tx fee txn

17:06:54 mircea_popescu: maybe this entire pool thing actually just needs to be a website to generate raw tx for people to put in bitcoind

17:07:09 mircea_popescu: like a graphics aid.

17:07:40 davout: also, i think that if what you want to achieve is a bitcoin separator, the easiest way is simply to acquire a satoshi from eligius and use it on the input side of a transaction

17:08:07 mircea_popescu: im not happy with waiting the 200 blocks for the scamcoins to mature.

17:08:25 mircea_popescu: that sort of latency means you'll be a late comer to the "sell it into the dirt" party.

17:08:32 davout: since eligius pays directly from the coinbase you're guaranteed to receive a payout that's spendable on one chain but not on the other

17:08:42 mircea_popescu: but also guaranteed to receive it too late.

17:08:47 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2sw3is/part_3_wupdates_tifu_by_reading_my_wifes_text/

17:09:31 BingoBoingo: ;;rate Rozal -10 Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment

17:09:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM2Lb )

17:09:32 assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings

17:09:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM45U )

17:09:33 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Rozal has changed from -10 to -10.

17:09:33 davout: yeah, if you can't wait 120 blocks to separate coins you'll have to convince a pool to mine a crosschain double spend

17:09:50 BingoBoingo: !rate Rozal -10 Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment

17:09:50 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f9de3c72f76f614e

17:09:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM6KW )

17:09:51 assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings

17:09:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM5qv )

17:10:13 davout: poor guy will end up with a -200 global rating

17:10:31 BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.Rozal.-10:e8cff8dc4301540ac33879fdae27da2f82b391e7da5b599ef4df0db73c2eab22

17:10:31 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Rozal from -10 to -10 with note: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment

17:10:37 davout: if he's lucky it'll overflow back to some positive rating :D

17:11:02 BingoBoingo: depends on how big total rating maxint is

17:13:23 kakobrekla: it goes up to 11

17:13:28 BingoBoingo: If he wants to debate this he can do it in a public channel. Given he has fabricated allegations before I want to make it unambiguously clear that I will not engage him privately.

17:13:32 BingoBoingo: Too high risk.

17:13:51 davout: BingoBoingo: what's the risk? some derp negrating you?

17:14:10 BingoBoingo: davout: Some Derp fabricating a scam and negrating me.

17:14:23 BingoBoingo: He's already negrated me. Nothing to lose there.

17:16:03 BingoBoingo: This time he was caught in his lie because he was sloppy. The next time he does it he probably won't be so sloppy.

17:21:09 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: better or worse than flappy plane?

17:22:02 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: He never PM'd me. worse than flappy plane though http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment

17:22:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrNY6j )

17:22:52 *: BingoBoingo thinks this could have been a perfect use of deedbot

17:23:17 BingoBoingo: For the much stronger timestamping

17:23:22 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, you are setting a v.nice standard for this sort of situation

17:23:50 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I've always had this standard ready. There was jsut never a situation for it.

17:24:11 davout: BingoBoingo: you can already timestamp some stuff and get deedbot to accept it later as previously timestamped, that is, if the bundle structure is already defined

17:24:47 thestringpuller: davout: could you elaborate further?

17:24:51 BingoBoingo: davout: But why should we remain barbarians defining time as UTC when we can define it in terms of Block height?

17:25:11 ben_vulpes: good morning, jihadis

17:25:24 mircea_popescu: may allah's 40 cunts be upon you, ben

17:25:28 ben_vulpes: without reading any scrollback i agree with BB

17:25:43 mircea_popescu: davout how'd thatwork ?

17:25:44 ben_vulpes: only 40?!

17:25:44 ben_vulpes: scam

17:25:47 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Oh, but such good drama this morning

17:25:55 davout: you can just sha256 your content, make an address out of that, send a bitcent there, and since that's how deedbot is supposed to work, you get your stuff deedbot-timestamped before deedbot even exists

17:26:45 BingoBoingo: But part of the deedbot appeal is also hosting the deeds as a stronger pastebin/dpaste alternative.

17:26:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00049167 = 4.72 BTC [+]

17:27:18 mircea_popescu: davout sure. so ?

17:27:54 davout: BingoBoingo: sure, but if your timestamping respects deedbot's spec just get it included along

17:27:55 mircea_popescu: it won't show up on its website, but supposedly you dun care

17:28:00 mircea_popescu: well no

17:28:35 BingoBoingo: !up bitstein

17:28:46 davout: what matters is the way it works, not the specific implementation that actually works the way it is specified, just my 2 bitcents anyway

17:29:13 mircea_popescu: people should be able to sign independently of the notary, and should be able to mock its formality, sure.

17:30:39 davout: the notary doesn't sign does it?

17:30:51 mircea_popescu: nop

17:31:09 davout: the way i saw it was that it'd just be a manually-made lord-signed deed, rather than one compiled by an IRC bot

17:31:24 mircea_popescu: right

17:31:48 mircea_popescu: unwitnessed, as it were.

17:31:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37205 @ 0.00047812 = 17.7885 BTC [-] {2}

17:32:01 Apocalyptic: davout sounds right, deedbot can verify a payment was made to that address and hence include it retrospectively

17:32:16 mircea_popescu: no.

17:32:21 davout: well, blockchain is the witness here, or am i missing sthg?

17:32:25 mircea_popescu: yes, you are.

17:32:40 mircea_popescu: if you come hither with a signed statement saying "the coin will fall tails" i won't particularly care

17:32:54 mircea_popescu: because for all i know you signed a "coin will fall heads" statement too and aren't sharing that one.

17:33:06 Apocalyptic: aha, I get it

17:33:08 mircea_popescu: the notary keeps a list of all the items it was sent a certain way.

17:33:25 mircea_popescu: you're free to sign whatever matter a similar way, but it won't be thus notarized. it will just be your own mock-up of the process.

17:33:32 mircea_popescu: which is fine, but as far as i see toothless.

17:33:53 davout: well, in that case it doesn't really make sense to me that the notary doesn't GPG-sign

17:33:55 Apocalyptic: the content has to be made public and witnessed by others at the time it's timestamped

17:34:21 mircea_popescu: it does make sense. because the trust does not derive from a robotic application of a gpg seal.

17:34:53 mircea_popescu: anyway, i got a meeting, we'll have to continue this debte in a few hours.

17:34:55 davout: more from the fact that folks you trust are looking at deeds being timestamped

17:35:16 davout: amirite

17:36:39 davout: also there was another thing regarding deedbot, if all deeds are simply concatenated before being hashed into a bitcoin private key, that means anyone watching the process taking place can deduce the bitcoin private key that's going to be generated, and claim the coins that'll be sent there

17:36:59 ben_vulpes: that's a feature, davout

17:37:36 BingoBoingo: !up Zarathul

17:37:46 davout: ben_vulpes: you might just as well spend that back to deedbot's wallet by broadcasting a second transaction at the same time

17:49:37 ben_vulpes: davout: talk to the specwriter, but i believe the thing acts as a btc spigot so as to incentivize auditing of its behavior.

17:53:54 mats: whos getting out of bed for 0.0001btc?

17:55:43 davout: mats: lol, a bot

17:56:45 davout: not that i see this as a design flaw or somesuch, jsut

17:57:10 davout: just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec

17:57:15 ben_vulpes: 0.001 btc is a pizza today, and a nuke sub in five decades

17:58:06 ben_vulpes: (or two centuries. pick your timeframe).

17:58:27 davout: if there's actually one deed bundle per hour that'll amount to

17:58:34 davout: ;;calc 0.0001*24*365

17:58:35 gribble: 0.876

17:58:45 davout: hah

17:58:45 undata: davout: that occurred to me as well

17:58:48 ben_vulpes: not bad for running a bot

17:58:51 mats: ;;calc .001*[ticker --last]

17:58:55 gribble: 0.21289

17:59:06 undata: I was also wondering whether one might want to salt the generated private key somehow so it's harder to guess

17:59:10 mats: hardly a pizza

17:59:11 davout: mats: you need an extra 0

17:59:27 davout: undata: yep, my thought too

17:59:49 davout: but if it's really like 1btc/year worst case you might as well consider it as burned

18:00:09 Apocalyptic: undata, ? the purpose is that everyone can hash the bundle and verify the address indeed matches

18:00:34 undata: Apocalyptic: yeah, that ruins that without later revealing the salt

18:00:40 davout: Apocalyptic: the idea is to reveal the salt, but only after the bitcoin has been claimed back from the bundle-related addy, not keep it secret forever

18:00:40 ben_vulpes: mats: "pizza", "chump change" you pedantic nerd

18:00:41 undata: the two transations thing seems fine

18:01:04 Apocalyptic: davout, claimed back by whom ?

18:01:05 davout: mats: 1000 btc used to also be hardly a pizza

18:01:16 davout: Apocalyptic: by deedbot

18:01:27 undata: davout: you could just wait to upload after the second transaction confirms

18:01:30 Apocalyptic: afaik ben_vulpes is correct, it's a feature that icentivies 3rd parties to verify

18:01:46 Apocalyptic: so you would not want deedbot to take it back

18:01:55 davout: ^ that sounds like something good

18:01:56 ben_vulpes: mats: do you not get the pizza reference?

18:02:03 undata: Apocalyptic: ah

18:02:38 davout: if someone pops in here one day and says "o i can't pick up deedbot's crumbs anymore" you have a problem somewhere

18:02:39 mats: i got it

18:05:47 ben_vulpes: <mats> [] http://beforeitsnews.com/markets/2015/01/bill-clinton-and-underage-sex-slaves-this-could-be-the-end-for-hillarys-presidential-run-in-2016-2477774.html << since when did "whore" get replaced with "sex slave"?

18:05:48 assbot: Bill Clinton And Underage Sex Slaves – This Could Be The End For Hillary’s Presidential Run In 2016 | Markets ... ( http://bit.ly/17YWmP6 )

18:06:15 mats: women don't have agency, man

18:06:22 mats: don't you know anything

18:09:34 ben_vulpes: <chetty> [] http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-prosecutor-accused-fernandez-iran-plot-found-dead-073033179.html << scawwy

18:09:36 assbot: Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/17YWONw )

18:17:25 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is. << welcome to my club of ignorance

18:42:12 mircea_popescu: !up Zarathul

18:42:50 mircea_popescu: <davout> just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec << so people can have fun.

18:44:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you don't understand, she was almost under 18 at the time and she didn't agree to switch positions!

18:44:44 mircea_popescu: RAPE CULTURE

18:45:25 mircea_popescu: lol@fuckyou.biz sez "this article is fucking stupid and i hope it was written as a joke to piss off nerds"

18:45:27 *: ben_vulpes can't cope with the constantly moving targets

18:45:32 mircea_popescu: apparently fuckyou is now a biznis

18:58:48 thestringpuller: "the right for people to freely trade with each other without anybody interfering with the transaction"

19:01:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00048359 = 8.0276 BTC [+]

19:04:17 ben_vulpes: magit file notify doesn't work on os x.

19:05:07 ben_vulpes: when i'm rich and can read and fuck and code on whatever pleases me all day i'm going to write MY OWN OS

19:05:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00047296 = 14.2124 BTC [-]

19:13:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20999 @ 0.00048359 = 10.1549 BTC [+]

19:17:10 BingoBoingo: http://nypost.com/2015/01/13/principal-wants-to-stockpile-canned-foods-as-weapons-against-intruders/

19:17:11 assbot: Principal wants to stockpile canned foods — as weapons against intruders | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWuSVK )

19:21:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75750 @ 0.00047292 = 35.8237 BTC [-] {2}

19:30:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00047284 = 11.7264 BTC [-]

19:34:01 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so like stan ?

19:37:59 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/spammer-escalates-to-murder/

19:38:00 assbot: Spammer Escalates to Murder | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWCck7 )

19:43:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94700 @ 0.00049188 = 46.581 BTC [+] {3}

19:43:18 ben_vulpes: yeah, mebbe he gets to it first. he'd certainly do a better job.

19:44:59 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes would prolly rather prototype some chips at 1 meter process size.

19:49:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49516 @ 0.0004939 = 24.456 BTC [+] {2}

19:49:27 BingoBoingo: Fabricating diodes in the shop.

19:54:08 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: lol you know me so well

19:56:00 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes creator of artisan chips at scale.

19:56:07 BingoBoingo: !up cazalla

19:57:03 cazalla: if it wasn't already clear, i didn't steal/recieve/transact with that Rozal guy

19:58:28 BingoBoingo: It's clear. He admitted to fabricating the allegation.

19:58:32 davout: ;;getrating Rozas

19:58:33 gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating

19:58:46 davout: fuck you gribble, when i say getrating, i mean getrating

19:59:05 BingoBoingo: ;;getrating Rozal

19:59:06 gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating

19:59:10 davout: ;;getrating Rozas --no-seriously

19:59:10 gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating

19:59:48 davout: ;;ident Rozas

19:59:48 gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

19:59:55 davout: ;;gpg info Rozas

19:59:57 gribble: No such user registered.

20:00:02 TomServo: Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out?

20:00:11 davout: urgh fuck me

20:00:16 BingoBoingo: ;;gpg info Rozal

20:00:16 gribble: User 'Rozal', with keyid 1C6C480917AD74D9, fingerprint D80FB0CF5F65CDC0EC40AF051C6C480917AD74D9, and bitcoin address 1DUDE1aJyNEcV1iqKA3SUqJB3QaWUfoFNz, registered on Thu Jan 17 08:51:26 2013, last authed on Mon Jan 19 09:36:57 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Rozal . Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo .

20:00:22 BingoBoingo: ;;rated Rozal

20:00:23 gribble: You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment.

20:00:26 davout: BingoBoingo: t

20:00:28 davout: ty

20:00:39 BingoBoingo: That last letter is the hardest

20:01:14 davout: kek

20:27:59 mircea_popescu: <TomServo> Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out? << why would it be ?

20:29:23 BingoBoingo: I've just assumed until it sorts out that rating twice is generally the best practice for most ratings

20:29:29 TomServo: mircea_popescu: Things seemed to be getting messy with the drama earlier. Having to rate in two places.

20:30:07 mircea_popescu: well obv that's optional. as the wot decentralizes, one can be part of as many / all of them.

20:30:52 mircea_popescu: that they talk to each other is a convenience, and i guess best practice, but not really a necessity.

20:31:55 mircea_popescu: actually i guess it depends on teh wisdom / celerity of teh admins currently involved if the future will hold it as best practice or just you know, that thing that might have been useful but never took off.

20:33:09 BingoBoingo: Sure. I for example entered the Rozal rating on both WoTs because the information is immidiately useful to both #bitcoin-assets as lulz material and #bitcoin-otc as a leper's bell around the person's neck.

20:34:03 mircea_popescu: makes sense

20:34:06 kakobrekla: basically ba wot is lulz is what you are saying

20:35:11 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: In this case. DOn't see the dude around here, so I only know him noa for the laffs

20:35:20 danielpbarron: not just lulz, Rozal can still voice himself in here

20:36:50 kakobrekla: correction, useless lulz!

20:37:37 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ima send you alum cakes!

20:37:50 BingoBoingo: Well, if he does Rozal can try to argue why his slander is good like kakobrekla's slander even though kakobrekla's slander is right and Rozal's slander is lies.

20:38:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15566 @ 0.00047284 = 7.3602 BTC [-]

20:39:58 jurov: !rated kakobrekla

20:39:58 assbot: You rated user kakobrekla on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: runs several solid btc enterprises (bit4x,bitbet,panacea,...);we met IRL.

20:40:21 jurov: !rate kakobrekla NaN at loss of words

20:40:21 assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

20:40:39 jurov: !rate kakobrekla -0.0 at loss of words

20:40:39 assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

20:40:59 jurov: !rate kakobrekla 4.00001 at loss of words

20:40:59 assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

20:41:07 jurov: okay

20:41:31 mircea_popescu: we been through this yest

20:43:31 jurov: i'm still in yest with the log

20:46:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00047039 = 31.0457 BTC [-] {2}

20:52:01 jurov: and why assbot isn't replying with these incredibly useful fortune quips?

20:52:08 jurov: "Invalid verfication(sic) string" is so ... 70s

20:52:55 mircea_popescu: ^

20:53:10 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla add more slovenian to assbot!

20:54:40 kakobrekla: because its harder to debug

20:55:10 mircea_popescu: i thought slovenian ate bug.

20:55:48 kakobrekla: not if worm is found.

20:55:56 mircea_popescu: !b 7

20:55:57 assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DYSV1P.txt )

20:56:01 BingoBoingo: What about doormouse?

20:57:16 kakobrekla: those are out of session.

20:58:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63750 @ 0.00046935 = 29.9211 BTC [-] {2}

21:00:41 BingoBoingo: Ah, I need to engineer sessionless doormouse sometime.

21:01:06 mircea_popescu: sessionless is either door or mouse

21:01:13 mircea_popescu: can't match them unless session

21:01:40 kakobrekla: and they are great to make ushanka from

21:02:14 mircea_popescu: i thought ushanka is made out of policewoman snatch.

21:02:26 kakobrekla: not here

21:04:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00047081 = 8.2156 BTC [+]

21:09:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23779 @ 0.00047081 = 11.1954 BTC [+]

21:11:50 jurov: here it's done from roof hares

21:11:59 mircea_popescu: !up nubbins`

21:12:04 mircea_popescu: dja know how to voice nubs ?

21:16:20 nubbins`: hi

21:16:26 nubbins`: nothin to say ;D

21:16:49 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/el8ljYZ.jpg

21:16:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15ndnli )

21:17:00 nubbins`: ^ from a "master wood carver" on the forums who "hand carves" his designs

21:17:48 nubbins`: note how the surface design is impossibly beautiful, indicating an inhumanly skilled craftsman, yet the shape of the BTC logo looks as if it was molded in play-doh by a 12yo

21:19:00 nubbins`: here's another hilariously mismatched one: https://i.imgur.com/HILYArv.jpg

21:19:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15neaCH )

21:28:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.0004722 = 8.4996 BTC [+] {2}

21:32:05 jurov: handcarved by laser

21:32:45 fluffypony: aren't we 3D printing wood yet?

21:33:30 kakobrekla: so thats how you destroy good piece of wood

21:36:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59973 @ 0.00046857 = 28.1015 BTC [-] {2}

21:37:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00048584 = 6.9961 BTC [+]

21:45:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62076 @ 0.00048992 = 30.4123 BTC [+] {2}

21:47:05 jurov: well, as i read the asswot discussion, let it be noted btc-dev mailing list will eventually need timely updates of wot database, too

21:47:57 jurov: also i must confess, it uses only short key ids internally

21:59:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00050254 = 26.0316 BTC [+]

22:05:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00048602 = 24.8356 BTC [-] {2}

22:25:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00050324 = 17.9153 BTC [+] {3}

22:25:59 thestringpuller: ;;seen

22:25:59 gribble: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.

22:26:05 thestringpuller: ;;seen nubbins`

22:26:05 gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 7 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <nubbins`> here's another hilariously mismatched one: https://i.imgur.com/HILYArv.jpg

22:26:26 thestringpuller: nubbins`: I have moar werk for pink eye prints

22:42:24 kakobrekla: !shasum wot

22:42:24 assbot: sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : 1e3819c7288865d34fc73ed636fe4880ee2275ed0d85772dc2c67839a2ed47cc

22:42:24 assbot: sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 63fcbe8ada533bae462972e08b0a8388a924036517f3e1912415d82eba65e814

22:46:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00050336 = 19.8576 BTC [+]

22:58:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00049866 = 13.4638 BTC [-]

22:59:18 ben_vulpes: oh hey that's neat kakobrekla

22:59:18 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

23:03:16 davout: !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro

23:03:16 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.

23:03:17 assbot: Key 01713428 / "Paymium Support <support@paymium.com>" successfully imported.

23:03:17 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0dfa4210ab9a2da2

23:03:17 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

23:04:10 davout: oh noes, it took the wrong primary id

23:04:10 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

23:07:24 davout: !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro

23:07:24 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1643ea22c0658764

23:07:24 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

23:07:51 kakobrekla: wait whut

23:07:51 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

23:07:51 davout: kakobrekla: can you force a reimport of my key?

23:07:51 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

23:07:59 kakobrekla: lol

23:08:06 kakobrekla: wtf is with assbot

23:08:06 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

23:08:12 kakobrekla: shut up

23:08:12 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

23:08:19 davout: assbot is getting crehzy

23:08:19 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

23:08:33 danielpbarron: !down assbot

23:08:33 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

23:08:51 davout: s/assbot/dosbot/

23:11:45 davout: maybe we should bring assbot to the bot doctor

23:11:45 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

23:12:36 kakobrekla: davout reimport of same key ?

23:13:13 davout: kakobrekla: yeah, i fucked my key up, put paymium support as primary id, fixed it and re-pushed it to key server, it's just aesthetics

23:14:38 kakobrekla: well i can delete it from keyring and it will be imported again next time you run command

23:14:52 kakobrekla: or !change key to x and from x to back to what you have now

23:15:02 davout: kakobrekla: if you can delete that's cool

23:15:09 davout: as long as the ratings stay

23:15:16 kakobrekla: yea

23:15:31 davout: so you have some logic to handle colliding key ids?

23:15:49 davout: wait no

23:16:03 kakobrekla: key id is presumed to be not uncollidable

23:16:06 davout: you already have the fingerprints from gribble amirite

23:16:13 kakobrekla: i mean fp

23:16:16 kakobrekla: i use only fp

23:16:26 davout: that you got from gribble

23:16:29 kakobrekla: yea

23:16:58 kakobrekla: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=davout

23:16:59 assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1xqD4Z1 )

23:17:10 kakobrekla: assbot> Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.

23:17:22 davout: yea mp's link about an actual demo of key id collision attack with puppetlab's key looked pretty scary

23:17:53 davout: !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro

23:17:53 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a5e8c564d3f8bdc6

23:18:01 kakobrekla: hold on a sec

23:18:06 kakobrekla: i didnt remove it yet

23:18:22 davout: assbot: you feeling better?

23:18:30 assbot: a bit

23:18:44 davout: assbot: good

23:19:11 assbot: its hard work, i hardly get any sleep

23:21:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00050353 = 21.8532 BTC [+] {2}

23:24:13 kakobrekla: davout key cleared

23:26:59 davout: kakobrekla: danke schön

23:27:08 davout: !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro

23:27:08 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.

23:27:09 assbot: Key 01713428 / "David FRANCOIS (E-mail) <david@bitcoin-central.net>" successfully imported.

23:27:09 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/98431d066034acb0

23:27:35 davout: !v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.1/0:27df5d8b4242724bfb6271ceb46ada8c7a7c443abc96a009ed9aed2b7d5f14ad

23:27:35 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 3 to 1/0 with note: cool wot bro

23:27:54 davout: so 1/0 is a valid integer nao?

23:28:02 PeterL: it lets you use 1/0 as a number now?

23:28:09 kakobrekla: shut the fuck up.

23:28:15 davout: !b 3

23:28:16 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1S68XZ5.txt )

23:28:25 kakobrekla: !gettrust davout kakobrekla

23:28:25 assbot: Trust relationship from user davout to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 22 via 9 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/davout/kakobrekla | http://w.b-a.link/user/kakobrekla

23:28:33 kakobrekla: [rating] => 1

23:28:35 davout: 1/0 is an alias for $MOON

23:28:42 davout: !rate kakobrekla 3 cool wot bro

23:28:42 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/82083d73fa5699f5

23:29:54 davout: !v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.3:550c72dc47e3a32e0d797a9953ebb1f8bbc90308e8a7f02d95f406f6d0cc7f9e

23:29:54 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 1 to 3 with note: cool wot bro

23:42:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00050391 = 4.8375 BTC [+]

23:44:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00050417 = 15.5536 BTC [+] {2}

23:46:29 kakobrekla: !rate assbot 1/0

23:46:29 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0ecad1a5b37446fc

23:46:45 kakobrekla: aha it gets taken out earlier

23:46:50 kakobrekla: meh too lazy.

23:53:12 kakobrekla: otp will show correctly now.

23:53:21 kakobrekla: otp header