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00:00:12 jurov: inb4 "Our SystemD in the clouds, hallowed be zer name, zer kingdom cometh...

00:00:33 mod6: one turd to rule them all...

00:01:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00041842 = 22.3855 BTC [-] {3}

00:04:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28012 @ 0.00042308 = 11.8513 BTC [+]

00:05:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23838 @ 0.00043985 = 10.4851 BTC [+] {2}

00:10:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00041577 = 11.6 BTC [-] {2}

00:22:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7074 @ 0.00043714 = 3.0923 BTC [+]

00:27:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00043764 = 2.2757 BTC [+]

00:37:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00043764 = 3.6324 BTC [+]

00:50:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00043764 = 9.2123 BTC [+]

01:03:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could use a conductor with dielectric masks << l0l!! not invertible, think for halfaminute

01:03:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5564 @ 0.00044119 = 2.4548 BTC [+]

01:03:57 asciilifeform: you can't draw a circuit on a sheet of copper with nonconductive glue either...

01:04:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10177 @ 0.00044483 = 4.527 BTC [+] {2}

01:04:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost << absolutely. but it is important to understand that a z80 (or even intel 4004) is far, far closer to the 'pentium' than to anything that has ever been built entirely at home from discretes

01:05:24 asciilifeform: jurov: ... say it takes 10 cycles per average instruction, at 8MHz, ecdsa is about 500k steps << memory is by far the more merciless constraint

01:05:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4359 @ 0.0004471 = 1.9489 BTC [+]

01:05:48 asciilifeform: it isn't a question of 'takes longer', but of simply-never-happens

01:07:33 asciilifeform: jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu << again nope. here's a suggested exercise for everyone: take the z80 (find a die shot or whatever) and zoom it out to make the transistors discrete. how much physical space will this occupy? how many tonnes of copper wire? how many hundreds kWatt of power used? for chillers?

01:07:49 asciilifeform: you get, more or less, an early '60s mainframe..

01:08:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...to reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts << here i am, lol

01:09:51 asciilifeform: 'if wish were horse' etc

01:11:37 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu << again nope. here's a suggested exercise for everyone: take the z80 (find a die shot or whatever) and zoom it out to make the transistors discrete. how much physical space will this occupy? how many tonnes of copper wire? how many hundreds kWatt of power used? for chillers? << Sometime in 2013 on Tardstalk to celebrate advent of the "ASIC Age" I drunkenly pr

01:11:38 BingoBoingo: oposed Burning Man style festival centered around 1 Acre "ASIC" with a goal of at least 1 h/s. Gained insufficient traction.

01:14:55 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wcmii/i_just_burnt_056_btc/copmcwl

01:14:58 assbot: _whitenoise comments on I just burnt 0.56 btc ... ( http://bit.ly/19yWZje )

01:17:28 asciilifeform: i don't get this.

01:17:46 asciilifeform: if i lost xx btc by tripping over a cord, or the like, last thing i'd think to do is to publicly 'brag'

01:18:05 asciilifeform: do these folks have sense of shame wire crossed with something ?

01:19:13 BingoBoingo: I was more loling at libertard reddit suggesting the rice trick attracts azns to fix the phone. But yes. Clumsy then toasting phone then bragging suggests compiled in the womb without the -SHAME flag set

01:23:52 BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'm running at about a block every 45sec to 1:30 on 339018 << Are you really sure you want to be using btcd instead of bitcoind then? November 2013 was the most brutal month I've sync'd so far this round and no where near that bad on this wimpy machine

01:26:09 asciilifeform: http://marc.info/?l=classiccmp&m=104957136420897&w=2 << re: z80 thread

01:26:11 assbot: 'Re: How many transistors in the 6502 processor?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZBq05 )

01:28:17 asciilifeform: http://www.cpu-collection.de/?tn=0&l0=co&l1=Zilog&l2=Z80#Z80A8400W2NA

01:28:18 assbot: cpu-collection.de >> Zilog >> Z80 ... ( http://bit.ly/19yZZMH )

01:28:19 asciilifeform: ^ has others

01:29:11 asciilifeform: another thing to remember is path delays...

01:31:27 asciilifeform: http://www.pdp8.net/straight8/functional_restore.shtml << pdp-8 made of discrete transistors in the first model. note the details:

01:31:49 asciilifeform: 'The backplanes contain 230 cards, approximately 10,148 diodes, 1409 transistors, 5615 resistors, and 1674 capacitors. Cards only used for interconnect were not counted.'

01:32:58 asciilifeform: last thing i'll say about this for now is that it is a grave mistake to rebuild these starvation-camp machines as 'dawn of year zero.' these impossibly cramped programmable calculators are how we ended up with a braindamaged computing stack in the first place

01:34:09 asciilifeform: and yes, unix is pretty good for a pdp-8, but unix is ultimately braindamaged when compared to what is possible.

01:36:27 asciilifeform: (other thing about pdp-8 - ferrite bead 'core' memory. what is one to substitute for it, if avoiding modern ic?)

01:38:52 BingoBoingo: Obligatory task that could be more distasteful than pdp-8 reversion http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2008/04/08/fun_with_tunichromes.php

01:38:53 assbot: Fun With Tunichromes. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZDANw )

01:40:44 asciilifeform: ^ wtf. that doesn't sound unpleasant at all.

01:41:12 asciilifeform: not compared to what i do for a living at any rate.

01:42:38 asciilifeform: and who among us (other than possibly mircea_popescu) would not rather do something involving a pdp-8 than what they did today.

01:43:17 mircea_popescu: i was out all day what!

01:44:16 *: asciilifeform was also out all day, and is about to be out some more, is tired

01:45:30 trinque: BingoBoingo: well I'd expect nov '13 to be easier than jan '15 right?

01:45:46 trinque: er dec '14

01:46:05 trinque: strike that again, it's on january now

01:46:11 BingoBoingo: trinque: Well I was off by 100,00 blocks, but looking at the blocksize chart it is really hard to say.

01:46:41 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and who among us (other than possibly mircea_popescu) would not rather do something involving a pdp-8 than what they did today. << I was more concerned with the 'actual' smells.

01:47:22 BingoBoingo: Could you imagine if the pdp-8 got full of ocelot dander?

01:48:24 BingoBoingo: trinque: But some months are much slower than the ones that follow. November 2013 sucked. December 2013 zipping by.

01:49:55 mike_c: BingoBoingo: i lol'd. for real.

01:50:04 mike_c: (rice trick)

01:51:37 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm just impressed reddit lol's so much

01:52:10 mike_c: yeah, that was an actual funny joke.

01:55:02 BingoBoingo: And then there's the lol at the lol

01:56:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11498 @ 0.0004473 = 5.1431 BTC [+] {3}

02:03:38 decimation: mircea_popescu: "what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"" < aye, and he should have said "I cannot accomplish that which you desire"

02:03:52 mircea_popescu: yeah well, he's being polite.

02:05:40 decimation: "o, you don't have 50 trn ? fuck you, we're making soap. next." < http://www.usdebtclock.org/ $185k per person

02:05:41 assbot: U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7KDtU )

02:05:48 decimation: per citizen that is

02:06:20 decimation: that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum

02:08:04 BingoBoingo: decimation> that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << Maybe there should be trophies for certain people who inflicted directly and personally more than that damage on the fiat system without being politicos?

02:08:49 BingoBoingo: i.e. Actual bum on the street who racks up 15 millions in US deficit via ER frequent flying gets a trophy.

02:11:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00044627 = 28.4274 BTC [-]

02:13:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00043764 = 2.6258 BTC [-]

02:24:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00044758 = 4.1401 BTC [+]

02:25:00 BingoBoingo: lesser lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wd2l1/til_freebsd_takes_bitcoin_donations/

02:25:02 assbot: TIL FreeBSD takes Bitcoin Donations. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7NEL0 )

02:33:22 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitstein i thought chomsky had pretty much the best points.

02:33:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:35:45 BingoBoingo: OMG mircea_popescu and chomsky sitting in a tree s-o-d-o M I E

02:37:14 mircea_popescu: lmao

02:39:22 BingoBoingo: What's blood has an adequate protein/lipid/water ratio to be an adequate lubriacant.

02:40:30 *: BingoBoingo warns he is going though routine maintenance cycle atm. Drinking away Sunday-Tuesdays's odometer related existential crysis.

02:43:08 BingoBoingo: Also... Reddit is rejecting-ish MUltisig

02:45:50 BingoBoingo: At this moment I am convinced that even in the absence of a crypto exploit for multisig the PR campaign persists to standardize a set of worst practices as "ISO"

02:47:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 30?

02:48:45 asciilifeform: if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << i've never seen, felt, smelled, 185k and don't expect to live to

02:48:54 asciilifeform: then again, also don't need voting for anything in particular

02:50:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 29! Dangerously close to 30.

02:51:23 asciilifeform: aha assumed 30 or the like given 'odometer rolled'

02:51:41 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lesser number roll too.

02:53:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i spent my 30th bday last yr populating v1 rng (x4) under stereomicroscope. whatever you did had to beat that.

02:54:26 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I went thorugh collenge notebooks stiking out entire years as total losses.

02:56:16 asciilifeform: total losses how ?

02:56:49 mircea_popescu: no chicks

02:56:51 BingoBoingo: Early freshman year of college I was playing with slowaris and FreeBSD as serious computing solutions. Six years later I was contemplating upnade to windows 8 taken classes in VB.net for web applications because library school.

02:57:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Plenty of chicks for 4 of six years.

02:57:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28461 @ 0.00042084 = 11.9775 BTC [-] {3}

03:00:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how does library school lead to forced winblows ?

03:00:22 asciilifeform: (i can see how, e.g., engineering school might)

03:00:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Web app development exercises

03:01:08 BingoBoingo: ANd earlier in undergrad orders to stop submitting hmework as beautifully printed Latex

03:02:05 BingoBoingo: Other library school particular onstacle to windows exodus is catalogging class with OCLC turd

03:04:19 BingoBoingo: Instructor was not very happy in cataloging class when I suggested I turn in my homework on cassette tape as it resembles the media most that MARC was made for.

03:05:55 BingoBoingo: I have yet to determine though whether "web application development" or "introduction to cataloguing" was worse for the soul.

03:09:08 BingoBoingo: !up OneFixt

03:15:49 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How else do you disarm a population than by feedint its replacements shit and making them love it?

03:17:59 asciilifeform: really loved 'visual basic' ?

03:18:35 BingoBoingo: HATED, loathed. But it was the lingua class.

03:20:21 BingoBoingo: VB to MSSQL MADE ME FEEL like a polish jew

03:22:04 ben_vulpes: salud folks

03:22:38 mircea_popescu: lol

03:22:43 mircea_popescu: yo foxy.

03:23:23 ben_vulpes: ca va

03:23:51 ben_vulpes: this healthcare thing is a shitshow but i think i found the hack

03:23:56 ben_vulpes: 440/mo for 2

03:24:04 ben_vulpes: max out of pocket (as if that can be trusted): 6k

03:24:11 ben_vulpes: max hsa contribution for 2: 6k

03:24:15 mircea_popescu: welcome mr joe stack v2.0

03:24:35 ben_vulpes: haw no you see i'm the broker in these relationships

03:25:06 mircea_popescu: aok

03:25:12 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You are they guy who doesn't realize he isn't even shoveling coal

03:25:39 mircea_popescu: come to b-a to share your tax shelter glory, leave a sad, broken man.

03:26:32 BingoBoingo: !b 1

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03:26:43 ben_vulpes: this is the one small win in my life

03:26:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00041674 = 12.5855 BTC [-]

03:27:07 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2015#1022104

03:27:07 assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 06:15:04; ben_vulpes: 'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together

03:27:21 ben_vulpes: i do, i am.

03:27:26 ben_vulpes: some day i may yet escape.

03:27:37 mircea_popescu: PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? << "A lot of money, and I am open for an excellent offer."

03:27:46 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that's a hack?! lol

03:28:15 ben_vulpes: best hole i've found yet.

03:28:21 ben_vulpes: i'm not really working too hard at it, tbh.

03:28:28 ben_vulpes: easier to drive incomes up than expenses down.

03:28:36 ben_vulpes: hard lower bounds etc

03:29:53 BingoBoingo: ;; later tell PeterL : <mircea_popescu> PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? << "A lot of money, and I am open for an excellent offer." << Sigma charges $336/gram for blow... get in on that shit.

03:29:54 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:30:03 mircea_popescu: jurov: "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution" << basic retard motto. "solve everything throiug the group yo! socialism ftw!"

03:30:34 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> easier to drive incomes up than expenses down. << You would be surprised

03:31:06 mircea_popescu: he's got a woman.

03:31:18 ben_vulpes: and a dog.

03:31:28 ben_vulpes: and you know...

03:31:28 ben_vulpes: plans

03:31:34 ben_vulpes: fuck this country.

03:31:57 ben_vulpes: give it three years i won't be able to get the hypothetical children on a plane because the measles risk from unvaccinated retards is too high.

03:32:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.0004181 = 24.0617 BTC [+]

03:33:00 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: P(meeting with unvaccinated retard) * P(kid's vaccine failed to take)

03:34:08 asciilifeform: well, unvaccinated infected retard

03:34:40 ben_vulpes: factor for kids 1..i?

03:35:05 ben_vulpes: i suppose loss cost goes down as a function of herd size

03:36:15 ben_vulpes: risk of bad time = Σ Pr * Pvfi, i=1..n

03:36:37 ben_vulpes: i've forgotten all of my probability mafs.

03:37:48 decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah the high deductible/hsa hack is a good deal

03:37:55 decimation: hsas are generally very good tax shelters

03:38:05 ben_vulpes: i plan to burn the whole thing down this year.

03:38:19 decimation: my company has 10k deductible, 6k hsa contribution, and 4k 'hra'

03:38:27 decimation: was cheaper than 6k deductible

03:38:46 ben_vulpes: !up thestringpuller

03:38:54 ben_vulpes: bezzlenomics

03:38:58 decimation: yeah

03:39:00 ben_vulpes: i don't get it, nor do i want to.

03:39:05 ben_vulpes: sound money when.

03:39:25 decimation: 'hsa' is the only tax free money you can withdraw before retirement

03:39:31 *: danielpbarron is one of the unvaccinated retards

03:39:34 decimation: as long as you have a 'health expense'

03:39:40 hanbot: roth too.

03:39:42 decimation: danielpbarron: because of autism?

03:39:49 decimation: roth you can only withdraw contributions

03:40:18 danielpbarron: because of the uncomfortably high chance of acute brain infection leading to permanent damage

03:40:18 decimation: there are some who transfer traditional ira/401k to roth, and then withdraw the 'contributions' after 5 years

03:40:24 ben_vulpes: i need that liquidity, yo.

03:40:26 decimation: umm

03:40:33 danielpbarron: and a general distrust of anything medicine in the USSA

03:40:41 decimation: do you have a number for 'high chance'

03:40:49 danielpbarron: 1 in 10k or something

03:41:37 decimation: when the salk vaccine came out, it gave 40k people polio

03:41:43 decimation: and was still considered a miracle

03:43:37 mike_c: hm, maybe the acute brain infection will improve your situation

03:43:51 danielpbarron: i've got enough brain damage, thank you

03:44:03 hanbot: !b 2

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03:46:03 BingoBoingo: Serious gambling talk though. Greater than 1:100 odds unvaccinated against measles kids are going to get brain damage. Encephalitis is a bitch.

03:46:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31269 @ 0.0004172 = 13.0454 BTC [-] {2}

03:47:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14719 @ 0.00041563 = 6.1177 BTC [-]

03:47:28 hanbot: oh get out.

03:47:54 hanbot: where are the 11 billion encephalitis cases 1850-1950?

03:49:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76662 @ 0.00041489 = 31.8063 BTC [-] {3}

03:49:18 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> fuck this country. << Pls tell me you have a Mosin

03:50:27 hanbot: ;;google measles party

03:50:28 gribble: Marin mom lashes back at 'measles party' media furor - SFGate: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Marin-mom-lashes-out-at-measles-party-media-6078083.php; Pox party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party; Do Not Bring Your Kids To 'Measles Parties,' Doctors Warn: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/11/measles-parties-warning_n_6658232.html

03:50:36 trinque: BingoBoingo: I have; he can head this way when tshtf

03:50:37 BingoBoingo: <hanbot> oh get out. << Chickenpox, fuck it. Measles, I'll take a 25% return on bitches knocked up

03:51:50 BingoBoingo: <decimation> when the salk vaccine came out, it gave 40k people polio << k vs M situation

03:53:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00042244 = 9.8851 BTC [+]

03:54:03 danielpbarron: mass vaccination is like the systemd of medicine. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1024081

03:54:03 assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 23:58:45; jurov: "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution"

03:54:48 BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> because of the uncomfortably high chance of acute brain infection leading to permanent damage << Why I don't get measles chickenpox comparisons "But they both itch"

03:55:24 mircea_popescu: fwiw, measles vaccine is usually useful and effectual.

03:55:48 mircea_popescu: it's bs like zona zooster and flu "vaccine" that ruin the otherwise reasonable shit for everyone.

03:56:12 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's bs like zona zooster and flu "vaccine" that ruin the otherwise reasonable shit for everyone. << That

03:56:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3102 @ 0.00042244 = 1.3104 BTC [+]

03:56:44 danielpbarron: fwiw i probably have all the vaccines you guys are harping about; my parents don't share my views in this regard

03:56:45 mircea_popescu: now people won't get polio vaccine because "vaccines are bad". dumb shit like that.

03:57:11 BingoBoingo: MMR great, live microwaved polio great. Herpes Zoster... prolly still getting Tony Larussa Shingles

03:57:14 mircea_popescu: the other thing is, they give vaccines to 2 hour olds, which is also fucking dumb.

03:57:29 mike_c: not most of them

03:58:07 mike_c: which is one reason herd protection is important, which is why danielpbarron is trying to kill my children.

03:58:16 BingoBoingo: !b 3

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03:58:34 danielpbarron: i don't buy that at all; if your kid has the stupid thing then he should be safe

03:58:58 BingoBoingo: My position in this is that unidentified proteins must be assumed evil.

04:00:11 trinque: two generations out of a high child mortality rate and people think they're bulletproof

04:00:20 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/ << Prolly the best qntra so far. Imminently applicable to bio chamistry

04:00:21 assbot: Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQov6k )

04:00:21 danielpbarron: i think a better solution is to hide sick people away, checking in on them every week and not letting them return to society until the illness is gone

04:00:29 mike_c: the vaccine isn't 100%. i'm not that crazy about it though. i figure a few more outbreaks and this no-vaccince fad will go away quickly.

04:00:45 mike_c: people will stop taking medical advice from jenny whats-her-name

04:00:56 BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> i think a better solution is to hide sick people away, checking in on them every week and not letting them return to society until the illness is gone << You forget water is one dirty bitch

04:01:10 danielpbarron: hide them in the desert

04:03:02 danielpbarron: "but i have a right to go shopping even when i'm contagious!"

04:04:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.00043375 = 15.2897 BTC [+]

04:04:38 BingoBoingo: I have a right to kill all with fire

04:05:01 BingoBoingo: Rights is exactly the wrong argument here

04:05:20 asciilifeform: the funny part is that it is mostly the children of the less-poor (california, clustered around enclaves of mega-bezzle) who are dropping

04:06:07 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the funny part is that it is mostly the children of the less-poor (california, clustered around enclaves of mega-bezzle) who are dropping << This part, also vermont which threatens dpb directly

04:06:11 danielpbarron: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+13&version=NKJV

04:06:13 assbot: Leviticus 13 NKJV - The Law Concerning Leprosy - And the - Bible Gateway ... ( http://bit.ly/19zCCmd )

04:06:52 mike_c: <+BingoBoingo> http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/ << Prolly the best qntra so far. << I agree. awesome article asciilifeform.

04:06:52 assbot: Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/19zCP8X )

04:07:04 asciilifeform: glad somebody got something out of it

04:07:18 asciilifeform: it was actually missing most of its intended 2nd half

04:07:31 asciilifeform: because i simply got tired and started to fall asleep.

04:07:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Qntra is always open to 1st half rants from you

04:07:54 decimation: http://www.wired.com/2015/02/tech-companies-and-vaccines/ << google and cisco day cares have less than 70% rate

04:07:56 assbot: The Sickeningly Low Vaccination Rates at Silicon Valley Day Cares | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/19zDaIH )

04:07:57 asciilifeform: wrote it specifically because BingoBoingo asked

04:08:19 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And the result is still unparalleled in the tech press

04:09:03 asciilifeform: to go with the plague thread - it was meant to be a summary, of sorts, of the pathology;

04:09:18 asciilifeform: but ended up being 'don't play with rotting corpses in the streets'

04:09:19 decimation: I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism'

04:09:25 BingoBoingo: Pathology threads are generally best threads

04:10:20 BingoBoingo: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << For a period of time my parents thought they autism'd me with vaccines

04:12:35 decimation: perhaps 'geek parents' having children at >35 has something to do with the autism rates

04:13:38 BingoBoingo: Perhaps, also could be an overextension of labels

04:14:10 decimation: yeah 'overdiagnosis' is probably a problem too

04:15:35 BingoBoingo: I tend towards much of the "diagnosis" that begets pathology not being such at all

04:16:22 decimation: well, as has been covered by tlp, there is much profit to be made in labeling pathologies

04:16:43 BingoBoingo: Or labeling not-pathologies

04:16:54 decimation: aye

04:17:00 mike_c: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you might as well put my name on the wot job. looks like i'm doing it.

04:17:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:17:46 decimation: if I were a psychiatrist I would be all about treating 'needy' suburbanites rather than being part of the urban internal security service

04:17:48 mircea_popescu: mike_c aite.

04:18:49 asciilifeform: decimation: even if napoleon wrote that 'every soldier's knapsack must contain a fieldmarshall's baton', not everyone can be fieldmarshal

04:19:07 asciilifeform: someone - gets to be urban shrink

04:19:16 mircea_popescu: mike_c done!

04:19:46 mircea_popescu: decimation you gotta talk their language tho, which dirties the soul.

04:19:48 decimation: asciilifeform: true. it would pay for daily bread anyway

04:19:49 BingoBoingo: I'm still jsut amazed by the difference between 8 yo scared of other people and labeled autistm-ish vs. HS lots of social connections constantly tired West nile and no one cares

04:20:00 decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah it would be depressing either way

04:20:43 decimation: there is a funny thing about 'professions'. if you like to kill animals, being a vet is a great idea

04:21:06 decimation: if you like hurting people, become a surgeon

04:21:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: you can't draw a circuit on a sheet of copper with nonconductive glue either... << don't oppress my genius! if you CUT the copper and the substrate is Conveniently Chosen (TM) it might work!

04:21:46 mircea_popescu: who are you to say what drunken future brings!

04:22:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily: diametric, i think, might be making a pcb this way as we speak

04:22:17 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who are you to say what drunken future brings! << I'll volunteer to take point on this

04:22:20 asciilifeform: (milling away excess)

04:22:28 mircea_popescu: aha

04:22:35 asciilifeform: it is a fairly popular method for making small/simple pcb

04:22:42 decimation: there are a few cnc machines marketed for this purpose

04:22:47 asciilifeform: when you have a cnc mill but don't feel like screwing with photography

04:22:57 decimation: although I would not want to breathe the copper/fiberglass fumes

04:23:17 asciilifeform: decimation: milling's usually done in a specially-designated place regardless

04:23:26 BingoBoingo: <decimation> although I would not want to breathe the copper/fiberglass fumes << Better than cold sea sponge farts

04:23:31 decimation: hehe

04:23:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'if wish were horse' etc << if wish were whores they'd be hoarse for the horses ?

04:24:04 asciilifeform: whores for the horses.

04:24:07 decimation: re: milled pcb < I wonder if they would be a pain in the ass to solder

04:24:16 asciilifeform: decimation: no solder mask

04:24:21 decimation: nothing really beats 'solder mask' for that purpose

04:24:28 asciilifeform: so, as i said, very simple through-hole boards

04:24:32 decimation: yeah

04:25:02 BingoBoingo: "Soldier Mask"

04:25:11 *: asciilifeform when makes pcb at home, uses the ancestral method - like b&w photo

04:25:29 decimation: that honestly seems easier than milling

04:25:40 decimation: plus it really isn't all that toxic

04:25:41 asciilifeform: when lacking a cnc mill, definitely easier...

04:25:54 asciilifeform: variably toxic depending on your etchant

04:26:10 decimation: I suspect it yields finer geometry too

04:26:20 asciilifeform: now that is certain.

04:26:35 mircea_popescu: the phone in toaster guy is clearly shopping on the wrong silkroad clone.

04:26:36 asciilifeform: although some folks with uncommonly fine mills get similar result

04:27:10 decimation: 'uncommonly fine mill' would pay for much etchant

04:27:24 asciilifeform: usually it's folks who own a mill anyway.

04:28:26 decimation: I would be interested if you could feel a blank pcb and a pile of random parts into a machine, press the magic button, and pop out an assembled board

04:28:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'The backplanes contain 230 cards, approximately 10,148 diodes, 1409 transistors, 5615 resistors, and 1674 capacitors. Cards only used for interconnect were not counted.' << the important point is element miniaturization then vs now. at the time, 1k transistors > 100 lbs. today, 1k tranzistors < 1oz.

04:28:46 mircea_popescu: this is important for many reasons, it has cascade effect : shorter paths, less heat etc etc.

04:28:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what transistor are you thinking of ?

04:28:58 mircea_popescu: a pdp could probably be cloned today by hand in a finite timespan, fit in box.

04:29:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the 2 gram shits i had as a kid ?

04:29:18 asciilifeform: if it's of the kind one can individually hold in a hand, they are quite the same

04:29:25 asciilifeform: aha those

04:29:26 mircea_popescu: no they're not!

04:29:38 mircea_popescu: you kidding me, the thing had glass diodes.

04:29:45 decimation: if you allow logic gate ic's you could reduce the transistor count

04:30:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is thinking of soviet-style metal 'tin can' transistor as being used in the pdp, and is correct

04:30:03 mircea_popescu: but foir the sake of argument, made by hand from discrete semi parts.

04:30:09 BingoBoingo: PDP could be cloned in 1990 on Classic Game Boy

04:30:18 mircea_popescu: still they're 1k ligther today than in 1940

04:30:21 mircea_popescu: 1k times

04:30:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we were considering discrete transistors

04:30:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as in, 'non-integrated' circuit

04:30:44 mircea_popescu: disintegrated circuit lol

04:30:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed In am consiering diving boarda

04:30:49 BingoBoingo: *boards

04:30:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one can get bare-die transistors

04:31:02 asciilifeform: is probably what one would use.

04:31:06 mircea_popescu: probably.

04:31:33 mircea_popescu: just sayin, you know ? could prolly be made in a box, if one felt like placing 100k items by hand. if he works 8 hours a day at this, it won't take 10 years.

04:31:52 asciilifeform: place the dies, obviously, robotically

04:32:10 BingoBoingo: File this in reasons I did not make a nubrub for my OBSD bitcoin-qt build

04:32:18 asciilifeform: (helps if there's some redundancy)

04:32:19 mircea_popescu: well die transistors autoplaced is prolly about on par with making yourself a 3d gun that works.

04:32:48 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well die transistors autoplaced is prolly about on par with making yourself a 3d gun that works. << Mosin, never lost to itself

04:33:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: arbitrarily fine placement is mainly a question of the guidance optics

04:33:42 mircea_popescu: or how many chinese girls one has.

04:33:47 asciilifeform: the mechanicals can be driven with astonishingly small steps, as is

04:33:49 mircea_popescu: but principally optics.

04:34:12 asciilifeform: folks routinely carry out 'surgeries' on single cells

04:34:24 asciilifeform: the equipment involved is scarcely even electric

04:34:32 asciilifeform: (led light, mainly)

04:34:53 decimation: asciilifeform: are you imagining a little array of naked die transistors, being bonded by a robot?

04:34:58 asciilifeform: and who has not heard of craftsmen 'horseshoeing the flea' etc

04:35:08 asciilifeform: decimation: i imagined it years ago

04:35:24 asciilifeform: but turns out other folks like to imagine it too

04:36:30 asciilifeform: if using products of existing industry, i'd use something like a 'GAL' (on bare die also)

04:36:33 asciilifeform: rather than naked transistor

04:36:43 decimation: it's kind like the 'punch-out' fpga we were discussing

04:36:47 asciilifeform: too small, gatewise, for enemy to meaningfully diddle

04:36:51 asciilifeform: or to conceal specs of

04:37:03 asciilifeform: but considerable step over transistor

04:37:09 BingoBoingo: alf finds this a mystery wonder why library school sucks

04:37:42 BingoBoingo: Short answer all the DB's are fucked

04:37:43 asciilifeform: but if 'playing fairly' and using the kind of semiconductors one could hope to produce in jungle workshop, you won't have identically-specced tileable bare dies either...

04:38:14 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but if 'playing fairly' and using the kind of semiconductors one could hope to produce in jungle workshop, you won't have identically-specced tileable bare dies either... << One would rip and sell Gameboy and TI-86 ROMs

04:38:19 decimation: no, but if you could buy your dies at costco, the enemy would have trouble diddling

04:39:24 asciilifeform: decimation: a diddled die of 100 gates in a tiled matrix will do what, exactly ?

04:39:28 asciilifeform: fail when moon is full ?

04:39:47 decimation: heh yeah that's my point

04:39:51 asciilifeform: it cannot know where in the circuit it will be placed

04:40:00 mircea_popescu: ^

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04:40:22 mircea_popescu: this is a very importanrt point, alf made for qntra but generally gets neglected. "diddling" is a VERY assumptive operation.

04:40:31 mircea_popescu: sister to "jamming AN antenna"

04:40:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sat down originally to write the piece specifically about that

04:40:44 mircea_popescu: aha.

04:40:47 asciilifeform: but somehow didn't

04:40:55 decimation: jamming AN antenna?

04:41:03 mircea_popescu: i say it, you say it, five people grok it and everyone else just whooosh.

04:41:10 mircea_popescu: decimation generally, as opposed to a speciffic one.

04:41:15 decimation: ah I see

04:41:34 asciilifeform: the ancient ru proverb re: 'for every sly arse, there's a threaded cock' is the relevant one

04:41:36 decimation: yes, the problem of 'jamming' arbitrary comms (unknown to the designer) is quite difficult

04:41:43 asciilifeform: the cock thread - has to match

04:41:47 mircea_popescu: and so is the problem of "diddling" in the general case.

04:42:52 asciilifeform: the thread-will-meet-the-arse-correctly-but-without-foreknowledge is called 'intelligence' and folks call any solution that calls for it 'ai-complete'

04:43:06 asciilifeform: which is possibly the only verdict more dire than 'np-complete'

04:44:04 asciilifeform: when you are discussing a particular bullet fired by the enemy, rather than enemy per se, you may safely assume that it is not intelligent, and thus is the cock of particular rather than universal thread.

04:44:06 asciilifeform: that's roughly it.

04:44:21 mircea_popescu: "The results were overwhelming: 88 percent of women reported having experienced at least one incident in which their friendliness was misinterpreted as sexual interest by a man, and on average it had occurred about 3.5 times in the last year alone. Men also reported experiencing sexual misperception, but the rate ? 70.6 percent ? was far lower. These rates were pretty similar to what was found in the original, U.S.

04:44:21 mircea_popescu: -based study, which found that around 90 percent of women reported that their friendliness had been misperceived at least once in their lifetimes, on average 2.7 times in the last year, with about 70 percent of men reporting having experienced this."

04:44:24 mircea_popescu: overwhelming my foot.

04:44:59 mircea_popescu: a) the difference is not even significantly above statistical noise ; b) significant fudge, such as, "women are more likely to self-flatter themselves this particular way" not accounted for in ANY manner.

04:45:14 mircea_popescu: how about asking men and women about how many cases they themselves witnessed involving OTHER people ?

04:45:27 mircea_popescu: but no, why make a study that makes sense but doesn't support our chosen policy nonsense.

04:45:35 decimation: that would be hard, and besides men are bad

04:45:49 mircea_popescu: hard my foot, ask the same people a useful question instead of a dumb one.

04:46:39 mircea_popescu: Sofia Lyons / nymag are dumb.

04:46:50 mircea_popescu: Mons Bendixen as well.

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04:47:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: related dan mocsny - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VKvDDSaH

04:47:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIztfF )

04:48:04 asciilifeform: (related how? in context - missing from archive - of that thread, he theorized that the behaviour spoken of therein was due to the 'misinterpreted' thing mentioned here)

04:48:47 mircea_popescu: "When a man sees another man he doesn?t know, there isn?t usually that studied indifference. If you look at the guy, he?ll look at you back, and it?s obvious from his body language that he knows you exist and you could talk to him if you wanted to."

04:48:55 mircea_popescu: my experience is exactly contrary to this, ftr.

04:49:09 mircea_popescu: women do what he claims men do, and vice-versa.

04:49:13 asciilifeform: might depend on where

04:49:27 mircea_popescu: "Obvious things like sports always work." fuck me sideways. i never did that yet.

04:49:52 *: asciilifeform lives where people behave roughly like mocsny described

04:50:04 mircea_popescu: odd.

04:50:12 mircea_popescu: because i lived around where you live.

04:50:16 decimation: yeah that's my experience too

04:51:03 mircea_popescu: "Go to a gym, for example, and see how few of the dozens of men and women there are actually talking to each other." who the fuck wants to talk to some guy in a gym wtf.

04:51:08 mircea_popescu: go to the sauna.

04:52:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, mocsiny should move to argentina. these derps have no fucking problem striking conversations with complete strangers that take any length of time in spite of not having any content.

04:53:08 asciilifeform: female derps?!

04:53:15 mircea_popescu: middle of the street ? fine. clerk and person in supermarket queue ? fine. fucking policeman will stop mid arrest and chat with the victim for half an hour.

04:53:19 mircea_popescu: gender indiscriminate.

04:53:44 asciilifeform: l0l

04:53:50 *: asciilifeform must see this

04:54:14 mircea_popescu: bus driver with person that just got on, that they never met before ? fuck traffic, they're only doing 60 mph in the middle of town in a sardine box.

04:54:18 mircea_popescu: what's that!

04:55:30 decimation: heh "People who enjoy going to stadiums and cheering on their sports heroes are feeding the monster which torments their genetically disadvantaged offspring." < so true

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05:08:54 BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform lives where people behave roughly like mocsny described << You are double fucked. Negro and the turdmaster...

05:09:08 BingoBoingo: RGIII has not been kind

05:09:30 *: asciilifeform puzzled by this reference

05:09:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00044942 = 11.1007 BTC [+]

05:10:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: RGIII is the strong plowhand carrying you local foosball

05:11:11 BingoBoingo: RGIII was indeed the physical equivalent of a -CURRENT branch until... his knees

05:11:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00045029 = 12.0002 BTC [+]

05:13:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13356 @ 0.00044149 = 5.8965 BTC [-]

05:16:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha - i was referring to the earlier mocsny quote

05:16:16 asciilifeform: rather than the thing about sportsmen

05:16:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But the root of their surivival is determined by the same fat men

05:19:42 BingoBoingo: I merely hypothesize RGIII as inpet enough to miss mocsony's men definitiomn

05:23:19 decimation: http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/alien-neill-blomkamp-set-for-new-film-in-iconic-sci-fi-franchise/ < lol. maybe the Aliens will be derpy rhodesians who crowd around in slums

05:23:20 assbot: ‘Alien': Neill Blomkamp set for new film in iconic sci-fi franchise | Hero Complex – movies, comics, pop culture – Los Angeles Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EUo0XY )

05:27:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still when I look at teams to be on for the next year I consider the players they own paramount.

05:27:42 BingoBoingo: Washington tend to fuck this step up royally

05:33:55 decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.hanssummers.com/ocxokit.html << you can build your own ovenized reference clock in an oven for $15!

05:33:58 assbot: OCXO/Si5351A Synthesizer ... ( http://bit.ly/1EUqMMO )

05:34:32 decimation: the guy's solution was pretty clever - build an oven out of fr4!

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05:54:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00041841 = 14.8954 BTC [-]

05:55:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00041684 = 12.6303 BTC [-]

05:56:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.0004175 = 23.7766 BTC [+] {2}

05:56:46 decimation: http://stampd.io/ << someone made a silly-con valley-ized deedbot

05:56:47 assbot: A Document Blockchain Stamping Service | stampd.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8hmzf )

06:01:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00041467 = 9.5374 BTC [-] {2}

06:10:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00041385 = 13.8847 BTC [-] {3}

06:22:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82200 @ 0.00041297 = 33.9461 BTC [-]

06:54:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8734 @ 0.00041841 = 3.6544 BTC [+]

07:04:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4779 @ 0.00041841 = 1.9996 BTC [+]

07:09:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00041297 = 18.212 BTC [-]

07:27:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00041841 = 4.3515 BTC [+]

07:30:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52050 @ 0.00041841 = 21.7782 BTC [+]

07:36:03 punkman: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/02/19/lenovo-caught-installing-adware-new-computers/

07:36:04 assbot: Lenovo Caught Installing Adware On New Computers ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnwxC1 )

07:37:07 mircea_popescu: i wonder how much money that nets them

07:37:18 punkman: can be lucrative

07:37:41 punkman: there's a lot of malware that just replaces ads on google/facebook/etc

07:37:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.09005499 = 1.8011 BTC [-] {4}

07:38:01 punkman: users generally don't notice it

07:39:09 punkman: although I don't see how it's worth Lenovo's time

07:39:25 mircea_popescu: so if they sold 1mn computers and 1bn ads got replaced somehow that's worth... umm... 50 bux ?

07:41:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53545 @ 0.00041291 = 22.1093 BTC [-] {2}

07:42:13 punkman: I knew a guy that had a couple browser toolbars/plugins that replaced ads. He made $500-1000 per day for quite a while.

07:42:43 mircea_popescu: in 2003 ?

07:43:04 punkman: more like 2010

07:43:25 mircea_popescu: moar power to him.

07:54:09 punkman: open source dildo https://www.comingle.io/

07:54:12 assbot: Comingle | Your source for do-it-yourself and open source sex technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8uYKZ )

07:55:00 punkman: this might be fun "Comingle.io’s Firaz Peer and Andrew Quitmeyer are developing the prototype for the Electric Eel, a condom that has conductive leads embedded in it for small jolts of stimulation"

07:57:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8343 @ 0.00041841 = 3.4908 BTC [+]

08:17:14 cazalla: bringing in the bins and what do i see? another scary australian spider staring at me http://i.imgur.com/LUZC73X.jpg

08:17:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8y3e3 )

08:17:43 cazalla: this one, st andrews cross spider is pretty common and harmless too

08:18:17 kakobrekla: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/02/19/lenovo-caught-installing-adware-new-computers/

08:18:18 assbot: Lenovo Caught Installing Adware On New Computers ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8y8P1 )

08:20:01 punkman: cazalla: ooh pretty

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08:49:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00044943 = 10.3369 BTC [+]

09:04:45 cazalla: <punkman> I knew a guy that had a couple browser toolbars/plugins that replaced ads. He made $500-1000 per day for quite a while. <<< i use to get something like $1 per install from pinball publisher

09:10:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19207 @ 0.00042955 = 8.2504 BTC [-]

09:13:25 punkman: cazalla, the pay-per-install stuff always seemed like a bad deal to me, did it work for you?

09:14:09 cazalla: no amount which was brag worthy

09:16:51 cazalla: ppi was only good for sites for which it was a bit of a grey area to use adsense

09:17:09 cazalla: in my experience anyway, i don't doubt that some guys killed with it

09:20:01 punkman: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/15/business/parmesan-cheese-bank-mpe/

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09:24:27 punkman: a look inside a parmesan vault https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BZEy6dSY6Q

09:24:28 assbot: How Parmesan Cheese Is Made - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CLShrZ )

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09:46:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 278 @ 0.00532304 = 1.4798 BTC [+] {14}

09:48:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 185 @ 0.00542468 = 1.0036 BTC [-] {2}

09:52:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00041289 = 20.7684 BTC [-]

10:13:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00042312 = 14.1322 BTC [+]

10:50:52 jurov: lol good discussion started from the z80. now, what if we start with piece of germanium/galena/carborundum/whatever

10:51:21 jurov: and use cnc machine with spool of thin wire to make IC out of it with point-contact transistor?

10:51:26 jurov: *transistors

10:51:53 jurov: unlike silicon it isn't so sensitive to impurities

11:03:45 jurov: if it's possible to place 4 such transistors on mm2 then z80 would fit into 20cm2

11:33:20 jurov: !up brendafdez

11:34:20 brendafdez: Could summer morning here in buenos aires today

11:35:18 brendafdez: I'll be seeing a journalist from the NYT today, I was thinking of telling him about b-a

11:35:41 brendafdez: it's the second time he's in Argentina interviewing the people he *thinks matter in bitcoin here

11:37:38 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i wonder how much money that nets them << You probably missed this because winblows free, but for the longest time it was impossible to get computer with winblows that did not have factory installed malware. Popular advice of the time was "reinstall winblows onto new computer"

11:41:11 BingoBoingo: <brendafdez> it's the second time he's in Argentina interviewing the people he *thinks matter in bitcoin here << Thet tend to suck at identifying that, but it could just as much be the orders they recieve from their political commisar

11:42:18 BingoBoingo: <jurov> and use cnc machine with spool of thin wire to make IC out of it with point-contact transistor? << Now that I'm more sober laser etching saphire to flow a conductor over doesn'r sound so bad.

11:47:32 brendafdez: I didn't ask him what move him. He's very interested in 'seeing the black market in action'. They see it in an amusing light, as if that's a bad thing or something, like going around the city with stacks of cash. And that's actually the closest it gets to bitcoin in fiat.

11:50:12 brendafdez: Last time was also Pete from Coindesk, he interviewed all the poeple claiming to run 'exchanges' here. There are a huge numer of such 'exchanges', most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell). Then there's Latincoin, which is also there athe 'embassy' and also doesn't even exist and is only piching to 'investors' to get money with no product. Last time they were asking for $7

11:50:20 BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Ah, so he was ordered by his poltical officer to slander Argentina's image

11:51:26 BingoBoingo: brendafdez: You have to understand that today's NYtimes is more soviet than pravda could ever have hoped to be

11:57:09 brendafdez: Having the adware preinstalled sort of spares the user the time and ensures they get a consistent experience with a box compromised from the get go. It's an integral part of the user experience, they wouldn't feel right without the bloat and the ads.

11:58:55 BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Sony actually used to have an option (extra $50 US or so) to not have factory adware on your computer when they ship it

11:59:05 brendafdez: :D

11:59:15 brendafdez: amazon still has it in their kindles

11:59:28 brendafdez: 'Special Offers'

12:00:31 BingoBoingo: When I encounter this it was mostly "Wild Tangent"

12:02:28 brendafdez: ;;google what is wild tangent

12:02:29 gribble: PC Hell: How to Remove WildTangent: http://www.pchell.com/support/wildtangent.shtml; WildTangent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WildTangent; Spyware or Slyware? | PCMag.com: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1601598,00.asp

12:03:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00041957 = 2.7272 BTC [-]

12:04:22 BingoBoingo: This superfish thing lenovois installing though now, looks like a different, worse beast.

12:04:25 BingoBoingo: !up brendafdez

12:04:46 brendafdez: it's like bitcoin 2.0?

12:04:55 brendafdez: wildtangent 2.0 same but worse

12:05:12 BingoBoingo: Nah, it is what it is. Natural hazard of the Windows ecosystem.

12:05:19 brendafdez: Well, if I ever get into the adware business I'll package it as a 'miner' and sponsor bitcoin conferences, no doubt

12:05:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00041286 = 18.9709 BTC [-] {2}

12:05:26 chetty: brendafdez, just point the guy to MP article, save everyone a lot of time (after you get your free lunch of course)

12:05:43 brendafdez: :)

12:07:01 BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Point them to this one in particular maybe? http://fraudsters.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/

12:07:01 assbot: Interacting with fiat institutions, a guide pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zpSMoa )

12:07:23 brendafdez: that one was epic

12:08:01 BingoBoingo: It was indeed. That approach helped S.Dice Erik tremendously when the SEC knocked his door

12:08:37 chetty: lmao, I get a whole new set of smiles everytime someone links that one :D

12:09:47 BingoBoingo: brendafdez: It will probably ingratiate you to no end with the NYtimes people if you point out that noone in Argentina seems as dangerous as that NYPD street gang

12:10:38 brendafdez: Erik <3

12:11:14 chetty: well dead prosecutors are a bit of a deterent

12:11:38 BingoBoingo: !b 8

12:11:38 assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HHMHNH.txt )

12:13:25 BingoBoingo: brendafdez: I will be very grateful if you get them to mention the great multinational journalism venture qntra which is eating their lunch on the Bitcoin subject, and they follow through by mentioning it in their piece.

12:13:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00041984 = 2.1832 BTC [+]

12:14:22 brendafdez: they won't mention it as anything other than a website from 1993, it's above their head, they only realize it when it's too late. They wouldn't take me srlsly if i show them that xD

12:14:29 chetty: now that would indeed be a super cool event, I'll buy the lunch if you pull that off

12:15:03 BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Of course they would take you most seriously if you mention it. Their political officer is definitely aware of qntra.

12:15:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00042085 = 3.8718 BTC [+]

12:15:48 brendafdez: we're meeting now in an hour at a local 'Subway' and then they are coming with me seeing how people buy and sell bitcoins for stacks of cash, which always amuses them, they love seeing the 'stakcks of cash', which is not uncommon here with the largest denomination bill being 8 USD

12:16:22 BingoBoingo: Ah

12:18:05 brendafdez: they love anything that can be portrayed in a bad light as the shady things that happen in this third world country. Like using bitcoin to avoid selling the usd to the government and then selling the bitcoins in the street

12:18:09 BingoBoingo: Sounds a lot like how they covered the rebellion in North St Louis

12:18:59 chetty: third world eh?

12:19:23 BingoBoingo: You just have to remember that New York has become more third world than even Nuevo Laredo. They don't even has cash in New York anymore.

12:19:35 brendafdez: and they are convince the "president of the Argentine Bitcoin Foundation" really matters. It's amusing that said foundation doesn't even exist. But I get asked all the time if i'm part of it, they take me more seriously when I say yes xD

12:19:54 chetty: lmao

12:20:05 BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Just say you are liking the shadow foundation more lately

12:20:07 brendafdez: if I say not at all, it's like I didn0t make it in their eyes, im missing out on being part of the foundation

12:20:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15011 @ 0.0004126 = 6.1935 BTC [-] {2}

12:20:35 chetty: join the real one :P

12:20:46 brendafdez: hah, I linked to the shadow foundation on a mailing list and a facebook group recently, but it falls on deaf ears

12:23:58 BingoBoingo: In other news today Pitchers and Catchers report to Spring Training. Baseball season is almost upon us.

12:27:43 chetty: Spring Training was a big deal when I was growing up, it amounted to free major league games :)

12:28:59 BingoBoingo: One day I wanted to take the hajj to Florida to watch the spring training games. At the moment though it is a reminder it will eventually stop being balls cold.

12:30:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00041192 = 15.1587 BTC [-] {3}

12:33:04 chetty: too bad I can't share some of our summer heat, but actually this morning its very cool and pleasant

12:34:51 BingoBoingo: It's under 0 degrees F here atm. Two weeks ago the high was over 60 degrees F.

12:34:58 BingoBoingo: !up brendafdez

12:35:21 BingoBoingo: Weather here in the Middle West is nothing if not inconsistent

12:45:41 BingoBoingo: !up wao

12:46:40 BingoBoingo: Also looking forward to the buyer's remorse this next US election cycle when everyone gets to see that of the two Bush brothers the dumber, less capable one actually was President for 8 years.

12:49:12 wao: nah irc.

12:49:17 wao: dat protocol.

12:49:22 wao: Hi!

12:50:31 BingoBoingo: O hai

13:20:59 danielpbarron: height=204520 vs height=185164

13:27:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00041141 = 11.5812 BTC [-] {2}

13:55:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11658 @ 0.00041232 = 4.8068 BTC [+]

13:55:28 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/cointelegraph-ccn-and-newsbtc-advertising-yet-another-scam/

13:55:29 assbot: CoinTelegraph: CCN and NewsBTC Advertising Yet Another Scam | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/19BZhyf )

14:29:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00042085 = 12.9832 BTC [+]

14:29:55 lobbes: BingoBoingo: Weather here in the Middle West is nothing if not inconsistent << whereabouts are you? Ohio-bound over here.

14:30:18 BingoBoingo: lobbes: A bit wester and still further middle

14:30:41 *: lobbes nods

14:32:02 *: lobbes is orgiginally from MA. Was amused by the abundance of Jesus billboards and anti-abortion propaganda littering the sides of roads

14:54:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23972 @ 0.00042258 = 10.1301 BTC [+] {2}

15:01:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00042359 = 6.3115 BTC [+] {2}

15:04:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17284 @ 0.00042411 = 7.3303 BTC [+]

15:05:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16716 @ 0.00042571 = 7.1162 BTC [+]

15:20:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00041352 = 15.3209 BTC [-] {2}

15:40:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00042008 = 13.6106 BTC [+]

16:05:53 mike_c: anybody ever use https://www.eurodns.com? i'm trying to get some obscure country domain names.

16:05:54 assbot: Register international domain names - Registration in 600+ extensions | EuroDNS ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeOXrF )

16:15:33 mike_c: decimation:http://stampd.io/ << someone made a silly-con valley-ized deedbot << yeah, and you have to pay for it with.. paypal!

16:16:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16185 @ 0.00042571 = 6.8901 BTC [+]

16:22:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00042418 = 6.999 BTC [-]

16:23:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00041657 = 10.5392 BTC [-] {2}

16:29:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56267 @ 0.00041131 = 23.1432 BTC [-]

16:32:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Looks like you induced some measure of a traffic spike. https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net New links to your likbez keep emerging.

16:32:24 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeTElh )

16:34:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00041119 = 21.3408 BTC [-] {2}

16:34:52 pete_dushenski: speaking of asciilifeform's piece, is it fair to assume that other unix-likes include debian and osx ? what of gentoo ?

16:37:33 danielpbarron: i like gentoo; very customizable and doesn't require systemd

16:37:51 BingoBoingo: Gentoo depends entirely on how you decide to build and use it.

16:38:04 BingoBoingo: And upon what

16:38:19 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: i figured you were into gentoo based on your pogo guide ;)

16:41:47 danielpbarron: i also like OpenBSD

16:43:58 pete_dushenski: do you run them both atm ?

16:44:22 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: where did that traffic come from?

16:44:58 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It seems a variety of places. It isn't the biggest spike, but it definitely is one.

16:45:34 thestringpuller: interesting. an "organic" spike.

16:45:43 danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, ya

16:46:12 danielpbarron: i've got gentoo on my laptop and OpenBSD on my webserver/fullnode/irc client machine

16:46:36 pete_dushenski: a neato

16:46:41 *: BingoBoingo is rather happy with OpenBSD's handling of laptop

16:47:49 *: pete_dushenski still has yet to play with much other than debian on vps for node

16:48:03 thestringpuller: nothing wrong with debian

16:48:18 thestringpuller: yet...

16:48:27 pete_dushenski: tick, tock..

16:49:41 BingoBoingo: ;;google debian rng 2006

16:49:42 gribble: Schneier on Security: Random Number Bug in Debian Linux: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/05/random_number_b.html; Random number generator attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generator_attack; The Debian OpenSSL Bug: Backdoor or Security Accident?: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency- (1 more message)

16:50:45 pete_dushenski: also looks like debian is getting forked into systemd-less "devuan" sometime this year

16:51:27 pete_dushenski: https://devuan.org/

16:51:28 assbot: Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeWW85 )

16:51:51 pete_dushenski: ^they accept btc donations :)

16:52:28 BingoBoingo: I'm concerned by the lack of names

16:53:59 pete_dushenski: fair enough

16:54:13 pete_dushenski: speaking of names, has anyone read any of schneier's books ?

16:54:40 jurov: mike_c: obscure european TLDs usually require proof of residence in that country, or at least in EU

16:54:42 pete_dushenski: wondering when he "went mole" so i can spare myself reading anything thereafter

16:55:23 danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, you haven't seen this? -> http://fraudsters.com/2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/

16:55:24 assbot: Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeXsCY )

16:55:27 mike_c: jurov: yeah, the ones i am looking at don't require that. eurodns is offering them for sale, I have just never heard of them.

16:55:51 pete_dushenski: jurov: if the cc fraudsters who pwned maison de btc are any indication, i'm sure mike_c can jump that hurdle

16:56:18 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: naturally :)

16:56:27 pete_dushenski: i just couldn't recall if there was a line in the sand

16:56:32 danielpbarron: ah, "when" not "if" whoops

16:56:49 pete_dushenski: yup

17:11:14 danielpbarron: !up NewLiberty

17:12:18 NewLiberty: Did you know that Schneier lost his executive position because of praise he gave Snowden?

17:12:36 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.NewLiberty.-1:1baac9e3ec8f3924ea75f9ae8c12259510087b5f9b8510fd26aa283eb8b62bdf

17:12:36 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for NewLiberty with note: He think's a hard-fork is, and I quote: acceptable for expediency's sake.

17:13:27 NewLiberty: lol

17:14:00 danielpbarron: in your defense, you said you don't like gavin's proposal

17:14:13 NewLiberty: I use bitcoin in commerce, and yes, would rather not have to outbid folks to get my transaction in

17:14:30 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform could you recommend a book that would serve as an 'amateur's intro to digital security' ?

17:14:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:14:35 NewLiberty: Yes, Gavin's proposal is bad, I've been complaining about it for months

17:14:57 pete_dushenski: wondering if ross j anderson is in the right direction...

17:15:37 danielpbarron: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=122404;sa=showPosts << NewLiberty's forum posts for those not familiar with this fellow

17:15:37 assbot: Latest posts of: NewLiberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lf0eYI )

17:16:42 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/windows-ecosystem-security-still-horrifying/

17:16:43 assbot: Windows Ecosystem Security Still Horrifying | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lf0qY6 )

17:16:52 NewLiberty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=815712.msg9182952#msg9182952

17:16:53 assbot: Increasing the block size is a good idea; 50%/year is probably too aggressive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lf0uXV )

17:17:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19597 @ 0.00041082 = 8.0508 BTC [-] {2}

17:17:43 NewLiberty: "If this forks as currently proposed, I'll be selling all my BTC on Gavin's fork and mining on the other. I suspect I will not be the only one."

17:18:08 danielpbarron: you and most people in here, i suspect

17:18:23 pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: that's all well and good but you still need to justify any increase in block size

17:18:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42703 @ 0.0004098 = 17.4997 BTC [-] {2}

17:18:39 pete_dushenski: right now you're saying 'just the tip'

17:18:42 NewLiberty: I am not advocating an increase in block size

17:18:42 danielpbarron: yeah, and if you can currently afford fees, you should always be able to

17:18:57 pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: o no ?

17:19:01 NewLiberty: I am advocating that "chief scientists" at least be scientists and not engineers

17:20:04 *: BingoBoingo amused that no one talking atm seems to realize how "old" NewLiberty is

17:20:05 NewLiberty: The current proposal is a software engineering approach to a science problem

17:20:12 pete_dushenski: how do you figure what they call themselves has any bearing on their function ?

17:20:22 NewLiberty: It is not even protocol engineering

17:20:24 danielpbarron: no, it's a USG approach to a non-problem

17:20:34 pete_dushenski: gavin is no more a scientist than mr. dress-up

17:21:04 NewLiberty: I give the benefit of the doubt, most don't control where they are born

17:21:05 danielpbarron: the "problem" gavin is trying to solve is "bitcoin will kill the dollar"

17:21:22 NewLiberty: He wants to be a chief scientist, I can help him understand what that entails

17:21:39 NewLiberty: Did he say that?

17:21:46 danielpbarron: he might as well

17:22:11 NewLiberty: dollar =/= US

17:22:19 NewLiberty: though some think so

17:22:36 danielpbarron: s/dollar/FIAT/

17:22:41 NewLiberty: BS

17:22:52 NewLiberty: What is currently called "dollar" maybe

17:23:09 NewLiberty: But the word is not what is commonly referred to as a dollar

17:23:21 danielpbarron: what are you trying to say?

17:23:39 NewLiberty: "bitcoin will kill the dollar"

17:23:45 NewLiberty: It will kill it

17:23:55 danielpbarron: dollar/fiat/socialism/totalitarianism

17:24:13 NewLiberty: "dollar" is a specific measure of silver

17:24:25 NewLiberty: USD is a wad of paper

17:24:30 *: danielpbarron is losing patience

17:24:33 pete_dushenski: mr. dressup reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2w74cMUlL8

17:24:34 assbot: Mr. Dressup Episode Pt. 1 1986 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqFJIX )

17:25:17 NewLiberty: XBT will kill USD regardless of what Gavin may or may not do

17:25:39 danielpbarron: that is true, because gavin has nothing to do with bitcoin

17:26:07 NewLiberty: USD will kill USD, even without XBT

17:26:13 NewLiberty: Its self defeating

17:26:30 NewLiberty: A made to fail ponzi

17:26:35 danielpbarron: and stop trying to teach us new terms; we don't care that you prefer 'xbt' to 'btc' or that a dollar used to mean silver

17:27:16 NewLiberty: I'm not here to teach, more to learn.

17:27:54 danielpbarron: if you mean that, start here: http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/

17:27:56 assbot: IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqH5TS )

17:28:27 NewLiberty: But having minted a fair share of silver, I have some opinions on the use of "dollar" as that paper drek

17:29:09 danielpbarron: silver isn't money; anyone who says otherwise is likely scamming you

17:29:30 NewLiberty: I've used it for money

17:29:36 NewLiberty: and gold

17:29:43 danielpbarron: i've used cannabis as money; doesn't make it not stupid

17:30:00 NewLiberty: relatively it is stupid

17:30:07 danielpbarron: it's practically the same thing

17:31:45 NewLiberty: yes practicality is largely why is is stupid.

17:32:27 BingoBoingo: cannabis and silver are largely the same thing monetarily, inflation a huge problem. Gold less so. Bitcoin far less so.

17:32:57 thestringpuller: cannabis is perishable tho

17:33:00 thestringpuller: hue hue

17:33:09 NewLiberty: Silver also, gold isn't

17:34:22 danielpbarron: in CT, cannabis is way more fungible than silver; just trade it before it goes bad :p

17:35:04 NewLiberty: Or before it goes up in smoke

17:35:10 thestringpuller: hue hue

17:35:52 thestringpuller: CT also decriminalized cannabis

17:36:07 thestringpuller: dunno how they are able to keep up with demand given...snow and stuff

17:36:15 danielpbarron: yeah that's why i specified CT; i'd wager it's a lot less fungible in oklahoma

17:36:38 NewLiberty: CA somewhat decriminalized. Most strip malls have a dispensary.

17:36:47 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i was born in hartford btw

17:36:48 thestringpuller: :D

17:39:30 NewLiberty: Anyhow, WRT Gavin, he may yet listen and end up less bad.

17:40:42 thestringpuller: And Biggie may not really be dead.

17:40:48 danielpbarron: !b 2

17:40:49 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11JAYD0.txt )

17:42:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33092 @ 0.00040937 = 13.5469 BTC [-]

17:45:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3492 @ 0.0008622 = 3.0108 BTC [+] {7}

17:51:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69467 @ 0.00040937 = 28.4377 BTC [-]

17:51:55 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

17:51:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 241.62, Best ask: 241.83, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 241.85, 24 hour volume: 10233.35845876, 24 hour low: 232.01, 24 hour high: 241.85, 24 hour vwap: 236.719103696

17:52:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51183 @ 0.00040923 = 20.9456 BTC [-]

17:59:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 502 @ 0.00543999 = 2.7309 BTC [+] {4}

18:01:09 danielpbarron: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/ << so far just some notes and what i think is your specification; corrections and suggestions welcome

18:01:10 assbot: Bitcoin Full Node on a Pogoplug Series 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1vk2Xyd )

18:01:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 422 @ 0.00552835 = 2.333 BTC [-] {5}

18:01:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:05:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 501 @ 0.00536675 = 2.6887 BTC [-] {2}

18:06:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5605 @ 0.00089928 = 5.0405 BTC [+] {6}

18:13:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5030 @ 0.00040923 = 2.0584 BTC [-]

18:14:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56581 @ 0.00040737 = 23.0494 BTC [-] {4}

18:17:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1435 @ 0.00092154 = 1.3224 BTC [+] {5}

18:24:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00041308 = 10.389 BTC [+]

18:34:59 mats: http://radare.today/awesome-ascii-graphs

18:35:00 assbot: Interactive ASCII graphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqZznc )

18:37:52 thestringpuller: this is beautiful

18:40:59 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i may setup a gentoo machine just to make a pogo

18:41:22 danielpbarron: what do you usually use?

18:43:46 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/19/bankers-arent-the-bad-guys/

18:43:47 assbot: Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Br1FDw )

18:44:09 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: debian.

18:44:16 thestringpuller: ah scoopbot down again?

18:44:48 danielpbarron: see if you can do it from debian; you just need the cross compiler

18:45:16 thestringpuller: aight. i'll give that a try. ordering a pogo soon.

18:46:11 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: scoopbot cannot penetrate the fortress that is contravex

18:46:16 pete_dushenski: the moat is too deep

18:46:19 ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> [] decimation> that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << Maybe there should be trophies for certain people who inflicted directly and personally more than that damage on the fiat system without being politicos? << most offensive thing about being born here is how one's effectively born into slavery for others obligations.

18:46:38 pete_dushenski: "Be sure to tweet with #JBossBitcoin during tomorrow's race! We hope that #NASCAR & #bitcoin fans can get behind #54. "

18:46:54 pete_dushenski: ^for everyone with a twitter acct ;)

18:47:37 thestringpuller: JBossBitcoin makes me think of webstack using JBoss to run bitcoin stuff

18:48:02 thestringpuller: random: what's with white girls and brown boots...

18:49:30 pete_dushenski: putting on boots is faster than tanning ?

18:52:10 ben_vulpes: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << isn't the best way to achieve this to have kids while the womb in question is young, flexible and healthy and the sperms ibid?

18:53:35 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: my mother was nearly 40 when she had me. no autism here.

18:54:16 ben_vulpes: anecdata

18:54:22 ben_vulpes: it's a statistical thing.

18:55:24 danielpbarron: thestringpuller, https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers << might be a good starting point

18:55:25 assbot: BuildingCrossCompilers - Debian Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Br4wfL )

18:55:49 PeterL: ben_vulpes: my nephew is the oldest in his family, has autism but younger siblings don't

18:56:22 PeterL: You might be thinking of Down's Syndrome, that has a higher occurrence in older mothers

18:56:34 ben_vulpes: no, i'm thinking this is all anecdata.

18:56:46 ben_vulpes: you gotta approach life from first principles.

18:56:52 ben_vulpes: as the machinery wears out, it...wears out.

18:57:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00042587 = 14.3944 BTC [+] {3}

18:57:21 ben_vulpes: average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america.

18:57:32 ben_vulpes: ad/hd, autism...

18:57:36 ben_vulpes: downs.

18:57:55 danielpbarron: Abraham had a son in his 90s

18:58:08 thestringpuller: his wife was probably 13

18:58:22 danielpbarron: Sarah? she was also old

18:58:33 thestringpuller: oh ya.

18:58:45 thestringpuller: didn't people live to be like 300 then tho?

18:58:48 thestringpuller: before the Ark.

18:59:00 thestringpuller: (My biblical history is fuzzy) :(

18:59:04 danielpbarron: 600 even, 969 was the oldest

18:59:05 ben_vulpes: medicalization of individuality factored out, if the numbers are to believed and aren't a cultural artifact i'm guessing that increased age of conception is driving some of the increase (if it even exists)

18:59:31 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: mk well, rock of salt the size of an asteroid and all that.

18:59:37 ben_vulpes: "dude was real old"

18:59:38 danielpbarron: i think by the time of Abraham it had gone down quite a bit though

18:59:48 thestringpuller: maybe we should stop giving babies ipads?

19:00:01 thestringpuller: and letting them guzzle high fructose corn syurp

19:00:35 PeterL: is 600 or 969 years or months?

19:00:37 danielpbarron: and not hitting them enough

19:00:42 danielpbarron: PeterL, years

19:01:06 PeterL: maybe somebody mistranslated a time unit somewhere along the way?

19:01:07 pete_dushenski: of course, what's a "year"

19:01:24 danielpbarron: the time it takes for the earth to go all the way around the sun

19:01:33 ben_vulpes: and how reliable were the counts

19:01:44 pete_dushenski: i'm sure the counts were reliable

19:01:52 ben_vulpes: and what about that whole "walked with god for 200 years" schtick, hm?

19:01:55 pete_dushenski: but the literary flourishes were less so

19:02:06 pete_dushenski: symbolism and all that

19:02:58 danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, i don't recall that; could you cite chapter/verse?

19:03:34 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you can google yourself, i'm not actually in a theological debate here.

19:04:12 ben_vulpes: numbers probably wrong, phrasing probably wrong. i am not interested in biblical scholarship etc.

19:04:29 thestringpuller: that's cause you're a joo

19:04:45 thestringpuller: or what-not

19:04:51 ben_vulpes: a something-or-other

19:04:59 danielpbarron: lack of interest in Bible could also indicate catholic :p

19:05:06 thestringpuller: LOL

19:05:30 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: the cryptopaladin!

19:05:42 danielpbarron: ew, paladin is like.. the worst class

19:05:49 danielpbarron: i always went with the necro guy

19:05:50 thestringpuller: haha

19:07:22 danielpbarron: ah it was Enoch, and he walked with God for 300 years

19:08:01 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

19:08:07 lobbes: <ben_vulpes> average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america. << couldn't this also be ascribed to a higher birth-rate?

19:08:23 PeterL: but the birth rate is going down

19:08:31 ben_vulpes: lobbes: i'm assuming percentages are going up, not absolute numbers

19:08:51 ben_vulpes: but ffs read tlp - there's no actually knowing anything about the numbers or what they mean

19:08:52 thestringpuller: PeterL: none of this Children of Men stuff

19:09:08 PeterL: what's a children of men?

19:09:26 thestringpuller: a sci fi novel/movie where humans are unable to have children

19:09:29 thestringpuller: thus extinction

19:09:35 thestringpuller: plot ensues from there

19:09:41 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: ping http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/19/bankers-arent-the-bad-guys/#comment-11108

19:09:43 assbot: Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqMHIf )

19:09:57 PeterL: thestringpuller: is it worth watching?

19:11:29 thestringpuller: PeterL: if you don't mind Clive Owen it's not bad.

19:11:44 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: That's a great question I do not have an answer for.

19:12:10 thestringpuller: philosophy and stuff is hard

19:13:25 pete_dushenski: that's what makes it fun!

19:14:18 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The way it is hard makes it fun. Eating pinecones also hard, not fun.

19:14:58 pete_dushenski: which i why i read burke and don't bleed when i shit

19:15:21 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well allies and enemies are generally relative. I think La Serenissima creates a republic where it dictates the scene.

19:15:38 thestringpuller: La Serenissima's enemies are absolute. Once an enemy always an enemy.

19:18:32 pete_dushenski: most states i can think of work this way

19:18:45 pete_dushenski: any friendships or peace agreements are temporary conveniences

19:19:28 pete_dushenski: trusted parties will stick together and only play nice when it's +ev

19:20:11 PeterL: pete_dushenski: "not that this is the worst thing to be have foisted upon you" << lose either be or have

19:22:25 pete_dushenski: fixed, ty!

19:38:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43279 @ 0.00041918 = 18.1417 BTC [-] {2}

19:44:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00041441 = 4.2684 BTC [-]

19:47:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00041441 = 6.6306 BTC [-]

20:14:31 pete_dushenski: lenovo re: superfish: "we have thoroughly investigated this technology and do not find any evidence to substantiate security concerns"

20:14:53 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: Well, US harbored Nazi scientists for moon program or what not.

20:16:13 pete_dushenski: all the while: http://t.co/mBg42VBn46

20:16:15 assbot: Errata Security: Extracting the SuperFish certificate ... ( http://bit.ly/17wfBPk )

20:16:23 thestringpuller: In La Serenissima, enemy is always enemy. Do not think reality exists where Gavin earns real trust.

20:16:35 thestringpuller: Not after his becoming enemy.

20:17:21 pete_dushenski: but as with nazi case, the tune can change if a suitable use case is found

20:17:37 pete_dushenski: gavin will always be an enemy because he's also woefully incompetent

20:17:59 pete_dushenski: if he were a worthy opponent, it might one day be a different story

20:18:23 thestringpuller: humor me hypothetical of MP and Gavin joining forces after declaration of war?

20:19:39 pete_dushenski: so in your hypothetical gavin doesn't suck at life ?

20:20:14 jurov: http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Media-Sharing-Device-Remote/dp/B005DB6NG6/ref=pd_rhf_se_s_cp_8_3EX5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1RW9YP2JW2W8M9JZ119G

20:20:16 assbot: Amazon.com: Pogoplug Media Sharing Device - Remote Access to Your Media - Black: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/17wgI1i )

20:20:22 jurov: ^ apparently this ships in the EU

20:20:34 jurov: but unsure if it's v2 or v3

20:20:57 jurov: and also customer reviews are scathing (it's unstable)

20:22:00 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: how about hypothetical enemy who is competent who just wants to straight up smash bitcoin

20:22:02 jurov: i already have enough problems with cantankerous rpi's that are more stable when overclocked.. guess i'll pass this one

20:22:20 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: now that's a different story

20:22:34 pete_dushenski: one that could end the way it did for the moon nazis

20:22:53 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: war ends, enemy loses, how does republic trust enemy at all not to back stab Kahn style?

20:23:37 thestringpuller: cause this asks of those working with enemy (at some point after recovery) to keep watchful eye, which means you don't really trust him

20:26:07 BingoBoingo: Intresting https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/568504819318546432

20:26:09 assbot: Gemalto also makes OpenPGP smart cards - I have one. We really need a OpenPGP v2 that supports multisig; right now I'm trusting Gemalto.

20:26:17 pete_dushenski: i'll keep using your moon nazi example because it's so darned useful here: trust isn't complete, but limited to one domain

20:26:25 pete_dushenski: all work is supervised and checked

20:26:41 pete_dushenski: let's say in the soviet style used for nukes and satellites

20:27:56 Apocalyptic: "right now I'm trusting Gemalto" lel given https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/

20:27:58 assbot: The Great SIM Heist: How Spies Stole the Keys to the Encryption Castle ... ( http://bit.ly/1AanO7k )

20:29:41 pete_dushenski: "o noes phones aren't sekure!"

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20:38:13 Apocalyptic: !up ascii_field

20:38:18 ascii_field: ty Apocalyptic

20:38:54 Apocalyptic: you're welcome

20:39:43 ascii_field: jurov: the 'pogo' you found is the one without sata port.

20:40:48 ascii_field: 'multisig' << can we start saying 'key escrow' whenever some moron put the word 'multisig' ?

20:40:53 ascii_field: honesty plz

20:41:57 ascii_field: jurov: it's unstable << i'm gonna guess that the unstable part is the proprietary nas app that comes with 'pogo'

20:42:02 ascii_field: rather than the hardware

20:43:02 ascii_field: (must confess that i have not tested that particular incarnation, however. but my pogo has not once overheated or shown any signs of hardware failure. has been running more or less round the clock since purchase.)

20:45:18 PeterL: so I'm looking at houses near some of the jobs I'm applying for, I know I really don't want to live inside Detroit, but 15k for a 4br/2ba house seems tempting

20:46:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27193 @ 0.0004283 = 11.6468 BTC [+]

20:48:27 ascii_field: great sim heist << transparent nsa smokescreen. gsm uses toy crypto since day one (usg mandate) and has always been breakable with minimal effort.

20:48:44 ascii_field: ergo this is not why they stole the keys (assuming the snowden document is genuine)

20:49:45 ascii_field: the press, rancid mixture of stooges and useful idiots, help to push the implication that 'now we can switch to keys that have not yet been stolen, and no more interception'

20:49:54 ascii_field: precisely the usg message.

20:50:12 pete_dushenski: what would switching keys look like ?

20:50:20 pete_dushenski: if they went down that road

20:50:34 pete_dushenski: new sim cards for phones or a network diddle ?

20:50:42 pete_dushenski: or...

20:50:46 Apocalyptic: ascii_field, yeah there is some trace of "but 3G and 4G networks are more secure" message in that piece

20:50:54 ascii_field: you'll see soon enough when gemalto (as if nothing happened, remains in business of course, like all usg pseudo-industrial ops)

20:51:01 ascii_field: decides to 'we cleaned up our act'

20:51:10 pete_dushenski: !up Xuthus

20:51:49 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: all mobile phones use toy crypto - and, as if this were not enough, call is carried as plaintext on the telco wire in the end

20:51:50 pete_dushenski: 'and we'll help to write new regulations which we'll then abide by'

20:52:04 ascii_field: there is no meaningful crypto between endpoints and this is mandatory, by design

20:52:30 pete_dushenski: so why bother changing it ?

20:52:42 pete_dushenski: doesn't even seem like there's room to make it easier to intercept

20:52:46 ascii_field: to peddle the notion that the sim keys matter for any purpose whatsoever is either the act of a complete illiterate on the subject, or a usg stooge.

20:52:52 pete_dushenski: Xuthus: and who would you be ?

20:53:37 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: seems like a waste of breath

20:53:51 pete_dushenski: but i guess the usg is just a marketing machine at this point

20:54:05 ascii_field: thing is, it works

20:54:51 pete_dushenski: to the extent that no one is watching the dismantling of their wealth, sure

20:55:22 ascii_field: no, it works in the sense that the folks in control, are still amply supplied with whores and blow

20:55:36 ascii_field: that's the only actual design goal of the system

20:56:09 pete_dushenski: which continues to be possible because of aforementioned wealth dismantling

20:56:46 ascii_field: 'Apps like TextSecure and Silent Text are secure alternatives to SMS messages, while Signal, RedPhone and Silent Phone encrypt voice communications. ' << finally the mask falls off, and we know that a usg muppet wrote that article.

20:56:49 pete_dushenski: otherwise, without new taxes or program cuts, not possible

20:56:53 ascii_field: know as in sky-is-blue.

20:58:02 pete_dushenski: pretty obvious really

20:58:11 pete_dushenski: even for an amateur like me

20:58:24 pete_dushenski: but i guess hanging out here trains one's eye after a while

20:58:45 ascii_field: that line removes any possible doubt.

20:59:01 ascii_field: either stooge or a direct useful idiot of one

20:59:25 danielpbarron: so apparently a pogo can survive a fall to the floor from about 3 feet while running; on a related note, not all devices ship with the same length ethernet cable

20:59:55 ascii_field: danielpbarron: ought to survive a fall from airplane. there is nothing shock-sensitive inside.

21:00:38 ascii_field: (if you have a mechanical drive connected, that's another matter)

21:00:39 danielpbarron: the drive popped out as a result of the fall, and its connecting bracket also came out a bit; but it's setting new best height now, so all is fine i suppose

21:00:57 danielpbarron: it was the solid state one; probably why it still works

21:02:47 danielpbarron: my throat is now sore from yelling

21:03:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21093 @ 0.00042831 = 9.0343 BTC [+] {2}

21:08:25 PeterL: !up ascii_field

21:10:29 ascii_field: ty

21:13:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.0004288 = 26.4998 BTC [+] {2}

21:19:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00042229 = 4.3918 BTC [-]

21:24:12 mircea_popescu: jurov: lol good discussion started from the z80. now, what if we start with piece of germanium/galena/carborundum/whatever << si carbide prolly most promising, or maybe some particular graphite formulations.

21:25:36 mircea_popescu: jurov: if it's possible to place 4 such transistors on mm2 then z80 would fit into 20cm2 << this, basically, is my point. 20 sqcm is not really a big deal. and the number of people who might do it just to play the original Chaos on their pet rock is not negligible.

21:26:45 ascii_field: unfortunately, need more than transistors

21:27:01 mircea_popescu: ALSO major point : it doesn't have to be successful.

21:27:18 mircea_popescu: what i mean is : currently, the fabs regard a printer that ruins 1% of the sheets as disastrous.

21:27:28 mircea_popescu: in our case, if 1% of the sheets are printed correctly, we're golden

21:27:36 mircea_popescu: people would do it like they hunt for pokemons

21:27:43 mircea_popescu: that inversion really gives a lot of tolerance space.

21:28:12 ascii_field: gives it a chinese 'great leap forward backyard steel furnace' flavour though.

21:28:21 mircea_popescu: so it does.

21:28:40 mircea_popescu: understand : reversing the secular trend from "Factory" to "household" is worth pretty much any sacrifice.

21:28:47 mircea_popescu: it's not me speaking, it's god!

21:28:50 ascii_field: sure

21:29:00 ascii_field: but has to not only at least occasionally work,

21:29:06 ascii_field: but actually not depend on industrial outputs

21:29:14 ascii_field: otherwise it's an exercise in pashtun kalash-making

21:29:23 mircea_popescu: not depend on NON COMMODIFIED industrial outputs.

21:29:27 ascii_field: (you have the rifle, but izhevsk still has the shells)

21:29:38 mircea_popescu: one step at a time.

21:29:58 mircea_popescu: as long as the industiral output you use holds no ip, it's good.

21:30:16 mircea_popescu: we want to kill the ip-in-product thing first, then the rest is unsustainable/can't mount any resistance.

21:31:01 ascii_field: if that's the object, can use ttl 74xxxx logic

21:31:23 mircea_popescu: prolly.

21:31:28 ascii_field: it 1) made everywhere, even ussr 2) utterly standardized 3) 'does not know where it will be plugged in'

21:31:58 ascii_field: i must say, always wanted to build a 'bitslice cpu'

21:33:56 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell brendafdez: Could summer morning here in buenos aires today << wait, you're in ba ?

21:33:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:34:22 *: pete_dushenski knew this about brenda

21:35:14 mircea_popescu: most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell) << ahahaha wut, wait, the mystery is demystified ?

21:35:18 mircea_popescu: muon was really melon ?

21:36:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2015#1024576 << lol this chick's sense of humour...

21:36:04 assbot: Logged on 19-02-2015 11:57:09; brendafdez: Having the adware preinstalled sort of spares the user the time and ensures they get a consistent experience with a box compromised from the get go. It's an integral part of the user experience, they wouldn't feel right without the bloat and the ads.

21:37:28 cazalla: danielpbarron: my throat is now sore from yelling <<< try breaking something :P

21:37:30 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the one utterly unsolved problem is ram

21:37:38 mircea_popescu: so it is.

21:37:50 mircea_popescu: lol yea, like cazalla's... ipad.

21:37:59 ascii_field: none of the contemplated processes threaten to give you anything like '80s micro capacity

21:38:16 ascii_field: i've contemplated a revival of delay-line memories using modern high-frequency amps

21:38:32 mircea_popescu: ascii_field could one simply hijack ssds ?

21:38:37 mircea_popescu: as in, replace the controller.

21:38:38 ascii_field: hijack ?

21:38:48 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

21:38:51 ascii_field: ty

21:38:55 mircea_popescu: np np

21:38:57 ascii_field: one can buy raw nand flash

21:39:15 mircea_popescu: ok. so then make a sane addressing scheme, and put a controller in and that's that.

21:39:20 mircea_popescu: memory = disk, like in the good old days.

21:39:34 ascii_field: but this turns into a very different flavour of project

21:39:36 mircea_popescu: make the chips hotswappable, too, by default.

21:39:46 ascii_field: machine that can't be boobied - yes. ic fab on your desk - no

21:39:58 mircea_popescu: imagine alf! a memory scheme which allows you to shoot at the memory units, and add more as you wish without kernel panic.

21:40:14 ascii_field: sop in rad-hard machines

21:40:19 mircea_popescu: yup

21:40:25 ascii_field: (erasure code in ram controller)

21:40:37 mircea_popescu: im not saying it's new. im saying it is time to get home computing out of the 1950s .

21:40:52 ascii_field: i'd generalize to everything being tandem-able by default

21:40:57 mircea_popescu: ideally.

21:41:01 ascii_field: (n-of-m voting scheme)

21:41:06 mircea_popescu: so the one day you need moar memory ? YOU BORROW SOME

21:41:11 mircea_popescu: like in thefucking old days #2

21:41:22 ascii_field: aha, sop in ibm 'big iron'

21:41:26 mircea_popescu: yup

21:42:14 ascii_field: now bringing things back to my original boojum - you can't drive sdram with 74xxxx ttl.

21:42:23 ascii_field: it can't be asked to go arbitrarily slowly.

21:42:25 PeterL: why not?

21:42:30 ascii_field: gotta match the refresh upper bounds

21:42:34 ascii_field: or lose bits.

21:42:38 ascii_field: in milliseconds.

21:42:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_field you can layer them

21:42:48 ascii_field: !s sdram

21:42:49 assbot: 14 results for 'sdram' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sdram

21:43:05 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: can't layer dram

21:43:12 mircea_popescu: no the ttl.

21:43:20 ascii_field: like sampler on cheap oscope ?

21:43:24 mircea_popescu: any arbitrary frequency can be met out of an arbitrary count of components.

21:43:26 ascii_field: possibly

21:43:29 mircea_popescu: no. like a timed array.

21:43:45 ascii_field: well yes, that's how my chinese scope gets a 100MHz sampler using 20MHz chinese ADCs

21:43:56 mircea_popescu: aha ok.

21:44:01 mircea_popescu: then like!

21:46:17 mircea_popescu: brendafdez: if I say not at all, it's like I didn0t make it in their eyes, im missing out on being part of the foundation << lol muricans gotta muricate.

21:48:27 mircea_popescu: mike_c: anybody ever use https://www.eurodns.com << i think i got something thourhg them a few years ago. nothing terrible.

21:48:28 assbot: Register international domain names - Registration in 600+ extensions | EuroDNS ... ( http://bit.ly/19ENIX9 )

21:48:52 mircea_popescu: ;;seen trinque

21:48:52 gribble: trinque was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 48 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <trinque> two generations out of a high child mortality rate and people think they're bulletproof

21:49:03 trinque: I'm here

21:49:17 mircea_popescu: where's teh deedbot!!1

21:49:24 trinque: 340107

21:49:40 mircea_popescu: aha

21:49:46 mircea_popescu: aite, so, monday ?

21:49:48 thestringpuller: read that as if mircea_popescu was german from lebowski

21:50:03 thestringpuller: "where's da deedbot lebowski!1"

21:50:14 trinque: thestringpuller: lol

21:50:44 trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah, seems there are no other acts of god that could delay it

21:50:54 mircea_popescu: cool.

21:51:19 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: interesting. an "organic" spike. << yeah, the thing's definitely starting to pull its own weight.

21:51:37 ascii_field: what's an organic spike ?

21:51:47 ascii_field: vlad's tree stump stakes ?

21:51:54 mircea_popescu: ascii_field admitting traffic is a notion with an actual real equivalent,

21:52:03 ascii_field: ah, server spike

21:52:03 trinque: ascii_field: that's what the portland residents will be put atop

21:52:11 mircea_popescu: if the source of a traffic spike is directly identifiable (X site linking) vs if it's not (various sites linking)

21:53:06 mircea_popescu: https://devuan.org/donate.html <<

21:53:08 assbot: Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins. ... ( http://bit.ly/19EPqHT )

21:53:13 mircea_popescu: ? 4298.41 via Paypal (EUR)

21:53:13 mircea_popescu: ? 1099.18 via Stripe (EUR)

21:53:13 mircea_popescu: ? 558.42 via Bank wire (EUR)

21:53:13 mircea_popescu: ฿ 2.20703267 Bitcoins (XBT)

21:53:29 ascii_field: 'XBT' ?

21:53:29 mircea_popescu: pity they didn't have the sense to wot.

21:53:38 PeterL: xbt == btc

21:54:08 mircea_popescu: ima email them see if they're willing to respect the signed approach.

21:54:15 thestringpuller: ascii_field: it is organic drug you put in someone's drink to kidnap them

21:56:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00041829 = 12.465 BTC [-] {2}

21:57:05 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/vermont-bitcoin-atm-cease-and-desist-requested/#comment-10900 << I don't think that will work. Cause you are exchanging government scrip for Bitcoin so it involves transfer of that...

21:57:14 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i wrote them an email inviting them over.

21:57:20 mircea_popescu: we do actually have a lot of overlap.

21:57:20 danielpbarron: apparently there is a way to enable ssh on a brand new pogo without using their stupid website

21:57:44 mircea_popescu: o wow, look at that, they have an irc even.

21:57:48 mircea_popescu: /join #debianfork

21:59:28 ascii_field: neato

22:00:50 thestringpuller: everything is forking

22:01:26 mircea_popescu: "forking"

22:02:51 ascii_field: danielpbarron: not only, but i said what that way is on the day i mentioned 'pogo' here for the first time

22:03:02 ascii_field: i certainly did not use their idiot 'registration' thing

22:03:14 ascii_field: nor would any process that relies on their site staying up, be of use to our cause

22:03:17 danielpbarron: well, i'm an idiot :/

22:03:25 PeterL: mod6 or ben_vulpes: on http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html the header extends off the right side of the screen (on my machine), could you make it use a smaller font so it fits inside the window?

22:03:26 assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPrPxN )

22:04:11 danielpbarron: i don't know how to use computers because i'm actually good at it; it's a matter of necessity

22:04:18 thestringpuller: hey we may have new allies!

22:04:30 thestringpuller: #devuan joins the party

22:04:46 ascii_field: it is not enough that folks fork, they must understand -why- they fork, and who the enemy is

22:05:10 thestringpuller: ascii_field: enemy of enemy sorta == friend??

22:05:36 ascii_field: quite a few people have not made the conceptual leap to seeing the malice behind the incompetence

22:05:57 thestringpuller: is that a requirement for swinging axe or sword?

22:06:10 ascii_field: for reliably swinging in the correct direction - absolutely required.

22:06:31 ascii_field: imagine if folks went to war as they go to 'mosh pit'

22:06:33 thestringpuller: ah like when party member has confuse debuff and he starts hitting you

22:06:36 ascii_field: 'i just wanna swing'

22:06:39 thestringpuller: yah

22:07:24 mircea_popescu: what's jurov's list again ? someone dump in #debianfork

22:07:33 thestringpuller: k

22:08:42 mircea_popescu: whyty.

22:09:40 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

22:09:46 ascii_field: danke thestringpuller

22:10:27 thestringpuller: interesting point with moshpit it is a very inefficient exertion of energy

22:10:35 thestringpuller: just ball of exploding meat chaos

22:12:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00041419 = 12.3014 BTC [-] {2}

22:21:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45968 @ 0.00041303 = 18.9862 BTC [-] {4}

22:23:03 PeterL: after mircea_popescu left, in #debianfork: tmyklebu: he's not weird enough to be a billionaire.

22:23:22 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha

22:23:31 mircea_popescu: they should have a bash.

22:25:36 mircea_popescu: the things pete_dushenski causes.

22:26:17 mircea_popescu: ascii_field it is not enough that folks fork, they must understand -why- they fork, and who the enemy is << would not go that far, personally. just as long as people act sanely, they're good enough.

22:35:21 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: that's all well and good but you still need to justify any increase in block size << how about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2015#1019604 ?

22:35:21 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2015 15:36:09; kakobrekla: i wonder what goes longer way towards 'inclusiveness', the big blocks or cheap nodes

22:36:07 chetty: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Black-Madam-Philadelphia-Buttocks-Injection-Death-292592791.html

22:36:08 assbot: Dancer's Death in Philadelphia Hotel Reveals World of 'Pumping Parties,' Surgery | NBC 10 Philadelphia ... ( http://bit.ly/1G9phM5 )

22:36:11 mircea_popescu: NewLiberty: I am advocating that "chief scientists" at least be scientists and not engineers << scientists, engineers etc have no business with chiefdom. that's a position for a strategist, nothing else.

22:36:26 mircea_popescu: chetty sadly that world's being "revealed" about every other year.

22:36:44 mircea_popescu: there actually exist these completely insane people going around injecting industrial grade silicone straight into "customers"

22:37:52 mircea_popescu: "a procedure involving silicone and Krazy Glue"

22:37:56 chetty: well I dont know why women want bigger butts

22:39:13 mircea_popescu: that's pretty clear. why do they think they can cut themselves up like they were barbie dolls however, that's mysterious.

22:40:31 chetty: maybe a bigger butt helps if you sit at a computer a lot ...hmmm

22:40:33 mircea_popescu: NewLiberty: A made to fail ponzi << a ponzi only fails because there's an actual monetary unit to compare against.

22:40:40 mircea_popescu: otherwise, ponzi in a vacuum does not fail.

22:40:52 mircea_popescu: chetty 20yo was a dancer.

22:41:00 mircea_popescu: she was black im ready to bet.

22:41:04 mircea_popescu: this means... she shook her butt.

22:44:10 chetty: http://news.yahoo.com/google-glass-apple-watch-japan-offers-wearable-tomatoes-095421514.html;_ylt=AwrBJR4wJOZUqjIApN7QtDMD

22:44:11 assbot: After Google Glass, Apple Watch, Japan offers wearable tomatoes - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DFjPkg )

22:44:14 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << isn't the best way to achieve this to have kids while the womb in question is young, flexible and healthy and the sperms ibid? << i am willing to bet no, because autism was virtually unknown weh i was a kid, and old women had plentry of kids back then

22:45:16 PeterL: was it unknown because it did not exist or because it was not yet named?

22:45:24 mircea_popescu: didn't exist.

22:45:51 PeterL: the people now being called autistic, they would have been called something different back then?

22:45:56 PeterL: like weird?

22:46:13 mircea_popescu: mmm, but i would remember the cases, see. not a matter of calling.

22:46:30 PeterL: would you? maybe you just avoided people like that?

22:46:34 mircea_popescu: as a kid growing up, i had contact with... thousands, prolly at the outset 10k kids. in the sense of actually having seen them with mine own eyes.

22:46:49 mircea_popescu: and i'd have heard *something* about the particular weirdness.

22:47:49 mircea_popescu: for that matter, autism went in the supplemental fascicle of infantile pathology, with spina bifida et all horrors.

22:48:13 mircea_popescu: !up NewLiberty

22:48:19 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot NewLiberty

22:48:20 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user NewLiberty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/NewLiberty | http://w.b-a.link/user/NewLiberty

22:48:31 mircea_popescu: eh danielpbarron you're really pushing things eh

22:48:36 mircea_popescu: !rate NewLiberty 1 voice

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22:49:01 cazalla: the 90s gave us so many adhd kids that it was no longer fashionable.. the new fashion with autism is that one can pronounce that their kid is "on the spectrum" as if it makes them somewhat special

22:49:26 NewLiberty: I'd aver that no money is in a vacuum, it is only meaningful in exchange for things. https://www.dollarvigilante.com/storage/devaluation_denarius.jpg

22:49:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DFk2nu )

22:49:31 cazalla: at least that is my experience overhearing mothers talk

22:49:33 trinque: I suspect it's as adhd was/is, an easy way to prescribe drugs

22:50:02 trinque: gotta have as many people on govt sanctioned amphetamines as possible

22:50:24 trinque: most "autistic" people I've encountered just seemed like kids that weren't properly raised

22:50:30 chetty: I dont doubt the uptick is partly a matter of fashion and names, but it doesnt explain it all, something else is going on there

22:50:42 mircea_popescu: pollution is my guess.

22:51:16 chetty: chems in foods etc, probably

22:51:33 mircea_popescu: yep

22:51:37 cazalla: mircea_popescu, ever come across gender dysphoria or same story as autism?

22:51:50 mircea_popescu: actually that DID happen.

22:52:05 mircea_popescu: maybe 1 in 20 preteen chick wanted to be a boy.

22:52:19 mircea_popescu: for various intensities of want.

22:52:22 *: chetty raises hand

22:52:30 cazalla: boy wanting to be girl i mean, tom boys are a given

22:53:09 mircea_popescu: i think i knew a grand total of maybe a dozen kids that'd be what you call confused. prolly more, but kept secret because at the time pretty stigmatic.

22:54:15 chetty: why do you suppose tom boys are a given, but boys wanting to be girls is wierd?

22:55:28 mircea_popescu: and to help everyone interested evaluate the above numeric claims : at the time in romania, housing was "allocated", to first time parents. so basically, you'd marry, play with the wife, once she missed a period you made a claim with your place of employment and ~1 year later they'd give you the keys to a new apartment. the density was maybe 1k / sqkm. i was a first born, but most families had two or more children - pl

22:55:28 mircea_popescu: enty as many as four or five.

22:55:50 mircea_popescu: consequently, in the 1sqkm area that's the hunting grounds of one healthy boy, i literally knew, by sight, thousands of kids.

22:56:06 mircea_popescu: and then in school, three 4 year cycles of 1-3k kids each.

22:56:13 mircea_popescu: 10k is a fair outer bound.

22:57:04 cazalla: chetty, i guess because i grew up knowing of some whereas the idea that a boy would think he is a girl was foreign to me until more recent years.. just an anecdote, but i see most of the boy to girl shit coming from sjw types, that's all

22:57:30 trinque: cazalla: seems that's part of a larger category of "identity fuck"

22:57:31 cazalla: in other words, i'm already familiar (comfortable?) with the idea of tom boys

22:58:13 chetty: well in fairness, tome boys dont always want to be boys, they just want the freedom

22:58:15 trinque: this idea that one can identify as anything, plant, mineral, sports mascot

22:58:51 mircea_popescu: chetty i suspect it's one way but not the other for purely biological reasons. specifically : 9 yos can do the same number of pull-ups.

22:59:06 mircea_popescu: then the girls get tits and butts, and they can no longer lift themselves up for a kingdom

22:59:07 mircea_popescu: it'

22:59:22 mircea_popescu: s readily obvious why kids' want to be boys rather than girls at that age.

23:04:14 mircea_popescu: PeterL: You might be thinking of Down's Syndrome, that has a higher occurrence in older mothers << yeah, that's proven. autism merely suspected.

23:04:41 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america. << except the machine is made to fail once it no longer can work.

23:05:59 mircea_popescu: PeterL: maybe somebody mistranslated a time unit somewhere along the way? << "but they translated the hebrew word for young woman to the greek word for nine months, and hence..."

23:06:11 PeterL: lol

23:09:12 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: La Serenissima's enemies are absolute. Once an enemy always an enemy. << actually... these "enemies" of ours are more like wanna-be girlfriends than anything.

23:10:35 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, http://41.media.tumblr.com/73689d7ace567310af77d9447f485714/tumblr_n65wcoNI0U1tn6yoxo1_1280.jpg

23:10:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrhcxH )

23:13:20 mircea_popescu: o look Apocalyptic. how goes ?

23:14:30 mircea_popescu: PeterL: so I'm looking at houses near some of the jobs I'm applying for, I know I really don't want to live inside Detroit, but 15k for a 4br/2ba house seems tempting << it's the end of days i tell you, idiots here think 2br/1ba apts are 150k

23:16:08 mircea_popescu: ascii_field: no, it works in the sense that the folks in control, are still amply supplied with whores and blow << neiother of these are either rare, ahrd to get or particularly useful/desirable.

23:16:39 PeterL: but it's the taxes that kill you, you pay 4k+/yr property tax for these cheap houses, and city income tax of 2.5% (suburbs have no income tax)

23:16:43 Adlai: mircea_popescu: "made to fail once it no longer can work" << these are not binary

23:17:02 mircea_popescu: obviously. but there's still more error checking in the uterus than in the space program.

23:17:16 mircea_popescu: PeterL ahahaha wuit, city income tax ?!

23:17:21 mircea_popescu: gtfo roflmao omfg. what ?!

23:17:37 mircea_popescu: how does a city even have the fucking authority to make an income tax ?!

23:17:38 PeterL: yeah, dumb idea, anybody who earns income moves out

23:18:01 mircea_popescu: nopbody told city hall "dudes, stfu and mind the parking meters" ?

23:18:03 PeterL: State passed a law because Detroit begged them to, Lansing charges 1%

23:18:20 mircea_popescu: it's absurd.

23:18:30 mircea_popescu: how about i buy a building, make a building income tax ?!

23:18:32 PeterL: a couple other cities in MI also have 1%, but most don't have any

23:18:50 Adlai: you should start a tax-free residential office park right outside the official city limits

23:19:04 PeterL: usually they also charge 1/2 the income tax to people who work in the city but live elsewhere

23:19:09 mike_c: NYC tax is 3.5%

23:19:20 mircea_popescu: Adlai nope. because once it's established they'd try to steal it and i'd have to go to war and massaacre them.

23:19:42 PeterL: the city of Southfield is essentially one giant office park for companies who wanted to move offices out of the city

23:20:13 Adlai: has it since instituted its own shitty tax?

23:20:37 PeterL: no, but they do have pretty high propety tax there, I think

23:21:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5585 @ 0.00042637 = 2.3813 BTC [+]

23:21:43 PeterL: http://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/detroit/the-worst-suburbs-in-detroit a brief introduction to the Detroit area

23:21:45 assbot: The Worst Suburbs in Detroit ... ( http://bit.ly/1zriNDt )

23:21:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's kinda funny to me how many of these "online magazines" copied after the atlantic sprung up everywhere. they almost look like all the boost-baseds "bitcoin businesses", except they're driven by scammers who scam the dod instead of scammers who scam idiot bitcopiners.

23:22:25 mircea_popescu: vaguely related : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikers_Island google for "preet"

23:22:27 assbot: Rikers Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zriQPQ )

23:22:35 mircea_popescu: apparently guy thinks he needs all the pr he can get.

23:22:45 TheNewDeal: ;;later tell TomServo around until Monday. Hope we can finally get in touch if you need to!

23:22:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:23:55 Apocalyptic: not bad mircea_popescu, what about you ?

23:24:03 mircea_popescu: not bad nopt bad.

23:24:19 Adlai: your p key on the other hand seems to be cryping out for some love

23:24:51 mircea_popescu: :p

23:35:33 Adlai: ;;bc,stats

23:35:37 gribble: Current Blocks: 344282 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 453 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46723759744.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.10251

23:47:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just as long as people act sanely, they're good enough << if they have no concept of the enemy, the latter can persuade them to 'act sanely' in a harmless - to him - direction, when it suits him

23:48:15 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: pogo notes << shameful mistake on my part re: jtag pinouts. the soldered wires, turns out, actually lead to (useless to me) gpio pins, not jtag

23:48:38 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the actual jtag test points are small and gnarly, clustered around cpu. i'll get around to them some time..

23:48:50 danielpbarron: i'm trying to figure this uboot thing out right now. is this a proper thing to be looking at? -> http://ftp.denx.de/pub/u-boot/u-boot-latest.tar.bz2

23:48:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrmbhH )

23:50:53 asciilifeform: autism epidemiology << one way or another, iatrogenic. you can take that to the bank.

23:51:36 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the uboot source is pretty easy to build

23:53:00 danielpbarron: i made this config file: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WeNwB1mR

23:53:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrmDMU )

23:53:27 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: wanna-be girlfriends << you mean groupie who false accusing it?

23:54:07 thestringpuller: everytime i see pogo plug now I think of a pogo stick shaped butt plug

23:54:47 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=a7Sidjqn << here's mine

23:54:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrmOYy )

23:56:46 danielpbarron: you used the sheevaplug board option i see

23:56:51 asciilifeform: aha

23:56:52 asciilifeform: works fine.

23:57:19 danielpbarron: i was gonna use MV88f6281GTW_GE Board

23:57:32 danielpbarron: how did you know to do that?

23:57:57 asciilifeform: iirc i picked it from the built-in menuconfig thingie in uboot's build system

23:58:31 asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/#comment-10985 << lol!

23:58:32 assbot: Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrngWJ )