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00:03:09 TheNewDeal: I was actually allowed to change my name :D

00:05:38 mike_c: tredos something something?

00:05:45 BingoBoingo: !up justlurking

00:07:18 BingoBoingo: ;;google manul

00:07:19 gribble: Pallas's cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallas's_cat; Pallas's Cat Manul - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13bkwYYcxE; Manul – the Cat that Time Forgot ~ The Ark In Space: http://www.arkinspace.com/2011/04/manul-cat-that-time-forgot.html

00:09:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00082303 = 21.0696 BTC [-] {5}

00:10:02 TheNewDeal: so I was just reading about the sentencing of Sabu. does anyone know the first time a judge mandated a keylogger in the USSA?

00:10:17 BingoBoingo: That we know of...

00:10:51 TheNewDeal: what?

00:11:40 TheNewDeal: I was asking what was the first time you heard of that

00:11:55 BingoBoingo: The first time a keylogger was mandated may have come from one of those seekrit courts

00:12:11 BingoBoingo: You know like the ones that order those drone strikes

00:12:40 TheNewDeal: not really. never heard of a court mandated drone strike

00:13:23 BingoBoingo: Well, Obama's a lawyer so he just kind of holds these things himself

00:13:36 BingoBoingo: It's why BitBet is a better court

00:14:25 TheNewDeal: reading about it as we speak

00:18:07 moiety: http://i.imgur.com/qQn4C.jpg

00:19:03 TheNewDeal: manul!?

00:22:07 moiety: TheNewDeal: yeah i get a note when manul is mentioned so i just returned a picture.... like a manual manul bot, if you will :D

00:23:07 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HF2694.txt )

00:23:07 BingoBoingo: !b 1

00:27:16 BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/01/patients-die/

00:27:17 assbot: Medical Students Horrified to Learn that all Patients Die, Eventually | Medical Satire - GomerBlog

00:29:40 BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/11/weight-loss-worms/

00:29:41 assbot: Secret of Successful Weight Loss Clinic: Tape Worms | Medical Satire - GomerBlog

00:31:36 TheNewDeal: bingoboingo, that we weren't able to strike a deal on the difficulty had little to do with wording. More to do with you placing your bet later than I trying to sell my Yes bets

00:33:10 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well, it was a simple disagreement in pricing. Particularly how to price these things. We both disagree on how to do it.

00:34:18 TheNewDeal: I think it's rather trivial to price them, but finding something that would make sense financially between the two of us was the difficult task

00:35:31 BingoBoingo: Well, there's also the problem whereing I lack the experience and reputation to feel comfortable selling a synthetic bet.

00:36:10 TheNewDeal: uncomfortable, it is *yoda voice*

00:36:54 BingoBoingo: Maybe if I MM'd MPOE options I'd feel comfortable offering a synthetic, but as a person who MM's ATC...

00:37:00 BingoBoingo: %book

00:37:05 atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151

00:37:09 TheNewDeal: haha

00:39:02 BingoBoingo: Even though the circumstances in which the actual underlying couldn't cover the synthetic would have been exceedingly unlikely... Trading on an artificial weight would have set a bad precedent.

00:39:23 BingoBoingo: %ticker

00:39:24 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 161 Ask: 201 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 37k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 160

00:39:48 TheNewDeal: well you did offer the buyer (mike_c was it?) a discount on the price

00:39:52 TheNewDeal: which is essentially the same thing

00:42:07 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Sure I offered a discount, and I tried offering you the same as well. A discount and a synthetic weight though are very different animals.

00:42:53 TheNewDeal: depending on the amount being purchased though

00:43:28 TheNewDeal: if you originally bet 1 btc, you could "get away with" selling .5 btc at double the timeweight

00:44:02 TheNewDeal: neglecting the 1% fee...

00:44:14 BingoBoingo: "get away with" at the cost of setting a horrible precedent

00:45:12 asciilifeform: sabu sentenced to keylogger << 2015: public urinator sentenced to toiletcam

00:45:23 TheNewDeal: hahahaha

00:47:38 BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard

00:54:25 punkman: ;;view

00:54:27 gribble: #20792 Wed Jun 18 20:53:44 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 hour of tech support @ 0.02 BTC (Support for bitbet.py (https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py) , Minor feature requests accommodated. While supplies last.)

00:55:11 punkman: hurr hurr

00:55:36 TheNewDeal: tech support

00:55:40 TheNewDeal: can you expand

00:55:56 punkman: getting it installed, usage, etc

00:56:36 TheNewDeal: did you develop it?

00:56:48 punkman: in a hurry

00:58:19 TheNewDeal: might have to hit you up with that later

00:59:28 TheNewDeal: ;;rate punkman 0 bitbet.py developer, selling support

00:59:29 gribble: Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.

00:59:32 TheNewDeal: whaaat

00:59:49 TheNewDeal: haven't you heard of neutral gribble?

01:00:19 BingoBoingo: ;;rate punkman 1 gambling software

01:00:20 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.

01:02:24 TheNewDeal: ;;rate punkman 1 bitbet.py developer, selling support

01:02:25 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.

01:02:49 punkman: TheNewDeal: here's how it looks now: http://i.imgur.com/6mwsor1.png

01:03:16 TheNewDeal: yah I think bingoboingo was showing me outputs the other day

01:03:46 BingoBoingo: punkman: is this a whole new Bitbet.py

01:04:20 punkman: BingoBoingo: nothing to do with that old bitbets.py

01:04:35 BingoBoingo: punkman: Maybe give it a new name then...

01:04:53 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I used the original

01:05:07 punkman: suggestions welcome, but levenshtein distance of 1 is good enough for me :P

01:06:08 TheNewDeal: here's a potential suggestion to ponder, we can talk about it more if I get back at you. Placing future bets to see how the pot changes

01:06:21 punkman: that's what it does

01:06:28 TheNewDeal: oh rery

01:06:54 TheNewDeal: it doesn't analyze only the current list of bets to date?

01:07:00 BingoBoingo: That's kinda the whole point of these tools

01:07:13 BingoBoingo: adding hypothetical future and past bets

01:07:58 BingoBoingo: Drugs http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/162417/1fing.jpg

01:08:16 BingoBoingo: Lead to http://gawker.com/teen-loses-finger-during-rave-keeps-going-because-bas-1592911313

01:08:16 assbot: Teen Loses Finger During Rave, Keeps Going Because "Bass Was Hard"

01:08:16 punkman: the "*me" bet in the screenshot is a hypothetical bet

01:10:25 TheNewDeal: ridiculous

01:10:38 moiety: i watched this program called "What Happens in Kavos" and it was all people like that. broken legs, ribs, noses but so wasted they either don't notice or don't feel it enough to do anything about it

01:11:31 BingoBoingo: Well, the right combinations of lights and sounds can be as dirorienting as the drugs

01:12:01 punkman: moiety: yeah that seems to be a common theme where brits go to vacation

01:14:40 moiety: so silly, why pay to get broken

01:15:56 BingoBoingo: Sometimes the fun in an activity comes from the potential for breaking, and the times people break reinforce the excitement.

01:17:59 BingoBoingo: http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/27/steven-hatfills-strange-trip-accused-terrorist-medical-adventurer-255295.html

01:23:49 asciilifeform: ;;google bruce ivings

01:23:50 gribble: Bruce Edwards Ivins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins; Affidavit in Support of Search Warrant - FindLaw Legal News: http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/amerithrax/08-083-M-01-search-warrant-affidavit.pdf; Long Term Housing Strategy - Bruce County, Ontario, Canada: http://www.brucecounty.on.ca/services-health/social-housing (1 more message)

01:23:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ^ related

01:24:29 asciilifeform: ^ case of 'staple gun'-style 'suicide'

01:24:37 asciilifeform: scandal was pinned on the corpse. case closed.

01:26:02 BingoBoingo: Yeah. Hatfill's current plans are interesting though now that he has extracted money from the gasenwagen's cheerleaders

01:27:26 decimation: asciilifeform: have you seen this home-spun open source Verilog tool: http://www.clifford.at/yosys/

01:27:26 assbot: Yosys Open SYnthesis Suite :: About

01:28:02 BingoBoingo: Antrax was an absolutely stupid thing to try weaponizing while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkholderia_pseudomallei exists

01:28:03 assbot: Burkholderia pseudomallei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:28:33 decimation: supposed these people will make you a chip for ~$500 https://www.efabless.com/ - long on hype and short on details though

01:29:05 asciilifeform: decimation: these are a dime a dozen. not very useful for fpga work, as the latter have proprietary pieces that, if you do not use, leave you with a monstrously bloated design that fits nowhere.

01:29:12 kakobrekla: ;;rate punkman 1 bitbet cli dev

01:29:14 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.

01:30:17 asciilifeform: decimation: $500 << do they also have a bridge we can buy ?

01:30:31 decimation: yeah the problem is that even if you could get a chip made for free, the cost of reasonable tools to make reasonable designs are prohibative

01:30:49 asciilifeform: decimation: not really. can use, e.g. 'magic'

01:31:40 BingoBoingo: I kind of wonder what an asynchronous ASIC design would do to BTC mining

01:31:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: only one way to find out

01:32:20 decimation: oh yeah I forgot that guy - I think you sent the link before. I was amused by the Tcl

01:33:28 decimation: http://www.planetanalog.com/author.asp?section_id=519 "MK: The cost is going to be dependent on the process technology, but let's assume it can be in 0.35 or 0.18. Most designs are probably going to be done for about $500 plus silicon costs which could be in the hundreds or low thousands of dollars. You will get your chips in about eight to ten weeks."

01:33:30 assbot: Planet Analog - Brian Bailey - Mohamed Kassem: Q&A With the Company Founder

01:33:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. It would either be the last great way to profit from mining or an loss, magnitude to be determined

01:33:54 decimation: ancient process of course, but still would be very useful if true

01:34:15 asciilifeform: decimation: crucial details missing. e.g. turnaround, yield (% working), whether they package the dies

01:34:25 asciilifeform: (if unpackaged - have fun welding the gold whiskers on yourself)

01:34:28 BingoBoingo: "Hatfill looked up, holding his cash and smiling, and said, ?At least let John Ashcroft pay for it.?"

01:35:25 asciilifeform: likewise, your design will go straight to the chicoms, who will produce it at their pleasure.

01:35:34 decimation: heh yeah unpackaged would be pretty useless

01:35:44 BingoBoingo: In about 12 hours I have an interview for a job in the bezzel economy, so pumped

01:35:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you've been starving all this time?

01:36:26 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not starving, scraping. Live poor nao to live rich later.

01:37:38 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:fraudsters.com live to be a millionaire

01:37:41 gribble: How to live to be rich. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/how-to-live-to-be-rich; Queers pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2013/queers/; Fred Quimby and ancient evils pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/

01:41:32 asciilifeform: it's a great essay, but ought to have been named 'how to die to be rich'

01:41:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.0008261 = 1.8587 BTC [+]

01:42:25 BingoBoingo: Eh, details

01:42:40 asciilifeform: also ignores certain unpleasant realities:

01:42:43 asciilifeform: e.g. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#606983

01:42:43 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

01:44:07 decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/06/the-chaos-wrought-by-progressive-education/

01:44:09 assbot: The Chaos Wrought By Progressive Education « Isegoria

01:44:33 decimation: Everyone at our school knows who Dylan is. He comes and goes to lessons as he pleases, habitually swears at teachers, and is an accomplished playground bully. ... I was surprised to hear Dylan?s name announced. He had collected one of the largest amounts of ?reward stickers? in year seven, and was due to collect a prize. Many teachers, it turned out, had taken to bribing him with these stickers in a desperate attempt to appease his

01:44:34 decimation: unruliness.

01:45:49 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It turns out that the cure to an American "Liberal Arts" education is resenting the part where you live on dry noodles.

01:46:41 asciilifeform: plenty of engineers living on noodles.

01:46:50 asciilifeform: no longer monopoly of starving artists.

01:46:53 decimation: that kanzure dude is nuts

01:46:57 BingoBoingo: You also learn the color of the dandelion greens at their best if you are smart.

01:47:11 decimation: all the numbers I've see from the bay area companies show that senior engineers are making maybe $150k

01:47:33 decimation: when a 'house' costs 700-1000k, that's wave slavery

01:47:49 asciilifeform: decimation: kanzure is a friend of a good chum of mine. as i understand, he made 'fuck you money' in one of the last 'dotcom' bubbles and wanders around the world.

01:48:12 decimation: that's cool, but that's nothing to do with engineering salaries

01:48:41 decimation: Of course, there is a "power law" effect in these kinds of things - only the best guys make bank, the rest deminish exponentially

01:48:59 asciilifeform: i don't know him well. if you want to dispute his info, wake him up (he does - did? lurk here)

01:49:18 asciilifeform: ;;google tournament market

01:49:18 gribble: The Man Who Wasn't There | Science Careers: http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2009_02_13/caredit.a0900021; Marketing your first-year soccer tournament - TourneyCentral: http://www.tourneycentral.com/marketing-your-first-year-soccer-tournament.html; Five Keys to Marketing a New Soccer Tournament | The PTM Blog: (1 more message)

01:49:34 decimation: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Salaries-E9079.htm

01:49:34 assbot: Google Salaries and Benefits | Glassdoor

01:49:36 asciilifeform: 1st link

01:49:41 asciilifeform: see also greenspun.

01:50:12 asciilifeform: what a google grunt is paid is entirely uninteresting except in light of knowing what he pays to live

01:50:14 decimation: yeah, I was reading greenspun last night and I thought of you - his post about the low quality of rentals available to citizens

01:50:54 BingoBoingo: If I get this bezzel job I don't plan to pay more than $300.month to rent

01:51:07 asciilifeform: http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2009_02_13/caredit.a0900021 << recommended reading

01:51:08 assbot: The Man Who Wasn't There | Science Careers

01:51:50 asciilifeform: 'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward," Freeman an

01:51:51 asciilifeform: d co-authors continue. Academic science is only one such market; other familiar examples include rock music, professional sports, and national politics. '

01:53:00 asciilifeform: i often say to people, that they should calculate their salary per minute of doing-something-they'd-rather-not

01:53:13 asciilifeform: e.g. if you have to drive a car to the plant, start the 'clock' from when you turn the ignition key

01:53:22 asciilifeform: and stop it when you come home and take off your shoes

01:54:05 asciilifeform: likewise, subtract any money you are forced to spend (e.g. google man must pay $50k/yr, say, to live within 2 hrs. drive of the plant) from your salary.

01:54:23 asciilifeform: then see who is rich, who is a pauper

01:54:47 decimation: people don't want to do those calculations - they know the truth and they don't want to face it

01:54:58 asciilifeform: there's a reason, for example, why e.g. a spammer will 'work 16 hours a day to make money while he sleeps'

01:55:27 asciilifeform: no car, no boss, no $1000 suits, no clock, etc

01:56:00 asciilifeform: mr. spam can live in a roach-infested hovel and actually keep 90% of his bread crumbs

01:56:07 asciilifeform: mr. google - not so much

01:56:11 BingoBoingo: In the location I'm looking at $3.2 k/year rents a ten minute walk from work, no roomates, because they are horrible for opsec

01:57:28 decimation: what I would like an "economist" to explain to me is why we subject science and engineering to such high competition but professions like collecting welfare, teaching k-12, gov't employee, etc are subject to no pressure whatsoever

01:57:55 decimation: why do those people deserve to be sheltered from the harshness of reality?

01:57:58 asciilifeform: decimation: the pressure is moved to the queue in front of the pig trough

01:58:34 asciilifeform: decimation: bureaucrats are paid quite little if you perform my calculation

01:58:38 asciilifeform: at least where i live

01:59:08 decimation: yeah that's definitely true, even the top of the pile

01:59:13 asciilifeform: welfare folks 'pay' by having to live in specially designated concentration camps

01:59:13 decimation: hell Obama only makes $400k

01:59:59 decimation: teachers "pay" by being unable to actually practice their craft (see my above link)

02:00:28 Mats_cd03: wtf 3200/yr

02:00:34 asciilifeform: alaska?

02:00:39 Mats_cd03: are you living in a fucking trap house

02:00:47 decimation: alaska is actually pretty expensive

02:01:01 decimation: n. dakota is cheap

02:01:12 asciilifeform: afaik folks get housed on company dime at drilling platform

02:01:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dying college town. Competing against a shortage of broke grad students

02:02:01 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: These places exist in the middle of the US

02:02:32 Mats_cd03: i see

02:05:04 decimation: re: redskins trademark cancellation : http://theden.tv/2014/06/18/u-s-patent-and-trade-office-cancels-disparaging-redskins-trademark/

02:05:06 assbot: U.S. Patent and Trade Office Cancels ‘Disparaging’ Redskins Trademark | Theden | Thedening the West

02:05:53 decimation: Federal trademark law does not permit registration of trademarks that ?may disparage? individuals or groups or ?bring them into contempt or disrepute.?

02:06:13 mircea_popescu: but the thing is... this wasn't being registered.

02:06:21 mircea_popescu: it was registered *already*

02:06:25 asciilifeform: decimation: this is a more interesting event than appears at first. they just zapped 'stare decisis'

02:06:31 mircea_popescu: what law allows the office to randomly re-register trademarks ?

02:06:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.

02:06:44 asciilifeform: e.g. the authority of the past N years, when the trademark was legal - where is it now.

02:06:49 decimation: I thought it was illeagal for a bill of attainder

02:07:09 mircea_popescu: basically the us has no further guaranteed rights.

02:07:21 decimation: what's the difference between making a law condeming joe to death, vs a law that condemns the redskins trademark to death?

02:07:23 decimation: for arbitray reasons?

02:07:26 mircea_popescu: not to property (the so called process "in rem", eminent domain, a whole list)

02:07:35 asciilifeform: decimation: no law involved - in the usual sense

02:07:41 mircea_popescu: not to fair process

02:07:43 mircea_popescu: not to anything

02:07:49 BingoBoingo: It is amazing people can talk in this state www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt.+26.5&ActID=1876&ChapterID=53&SeqStart=74600000&SeqEnd=75300000

02:07:49 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:07:56 mircea_popescu: decimation this wasn't a law, to begin with

02:08:14 mircea_popescu: the entire "attainder" thing is the result of internet fucktards opining on matters. i wouldn't repeat it.

02:08:28 decimation: yeah it's a civil case, as opposed to criminal

02:09:12 mircea_popescu: patents are an administrative matter.

02:09:43 decimation: oh yeah this isn't even a real court, just a commitee of government employees

02:09:57 decimation: well, derp derp who cares what the opinion of usg employees are

02:10:17 mircea_popescu: us citizens, as subjects of the usg.

02:10:47 decimation: so you often complain about the 'rule of law not men'

02:10:49 mircea_popescu: benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. << anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled everywhgere.

02:10:54 mircea_popescu: this is because nobody can stand them.

02:11:04 decimation: in this case, derpy nobodies are ruling

02:11:12 decimation: irrespective of controlling laws

02:11:21 BingoBoingo: I'm still realling that the Bitpay bought one of the most expensive and lowest return forms of advertising.

02:11:32 mircea_popescu: decimation the problem with trying to promote a system of "laws not men" is that ONLY men can rule. and so under the guise of "laws not men" that keeps actual men away

02:11:37 mircea_popescu: the cockless dickheads rule.

02:12:10 decimation: yeah, you could say that we are ruled by non-men, as opposed to men, because laws cannot rule anyone by themselves

02:12:12 asciilifeform: anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled << whatever the reason - let's say benkay or i need to get a crate of strange through Ar door. no go, because passport is wrong color. or this is disinfo ?

02:12:48 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: noooo way ?<< yes way. these are the fuckwits that want to be involved as adults

02:12:53 mircea_popescu: instead of doing what i fucking tell them to do.

02:12:57 mircea_popescu: like the children they are.

02:13:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly no go, because you don;'t know how to ask.

02:13:34 mircea_popescu: much like, you want to pick up a chick. no go, because... passport the wrong color ? notrly.

02:15:32 mircea_popescu: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1bXIe06V--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/w33uouiq516gt1btjhjt.jpg << lol they dug upo that old gallippi pic did they

02:16:16 BingoBoingo: Yeah they did

02:16:18 mircea_popescu: did bitpay pr, ever clever and professional, have anything to say yet ?

02:17:38 asciilifeform: don't know how to ask << makes a difference if this is a fixable condition (know who to pay off, etc) or more difficult (have the correct uncle)

02:17:59 mircea_popescu: for something like importing machinery, definitely the former.

02:19:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've been looking around slowly. Not found anything yet.

02:20:03 mircea_popescu: today in the news, pretend you're a corp, pretend you've got 30mn investment, fail to have any pr whatsoever.

02:20:22 mircea_popescu: how people can be this stupid still amazes me. i mean sure, forum derps, okay, they're all by themselves.

02:20:25 mircea_popescu: but by now...

02:20:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider benkay's point. if i have to wrap sample pcbs in benjamins to get them through customs, this ought to be considered a cost of doing business in Ar

02:20:30 BingoBoingo: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-ncaa-college-football-bowl-sponsorship-bitpay/ is closest I've found to Bitpay Pr so far.

02:20:30 assbot: Attention Required! | CloudFlare

02:20:44 asciilifeform: doesn't look quite so cheap then, no?

02:20:55 BingoBoingo: Oh, coindesk nao hates assbot

02:21:01 mircea_popescu: lol attention required.

02:21:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was looking cheap in the first place, or what were we saying ?

02:21:35 BingoBoingo: I like how Bitpay couldn't even sponsor a game in a stadium actually suited to the sport.

02:21:45 asciilifeform: Ar, india, etc. look cheap to the uninitiated.

02:21:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is not the place of start-ups to sponsor anyway

02:22:13 asciilifeform: until you move in and try to get, e.g. smt resistors shipped in from malaysia

02:22:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, it's cheap. depends what you want.

02:22:22 asciilifeform: or pick'n'placers from russia

02:22:39 mircea_popescu: but if you want that, why the fuck would you not be in malaysia or russia.

02:22:55 asciilifeform: because not one of these actually contains everything you need for the production line

02:23:04 decimation: china/taiwan do

02:23:16 mircea_popescu: so what does argentina contain that you need for your production line ?

02:23:21 mircea_popescu: i keep trying to get this out for awhile nao

02:23:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not at all. I guess Imma have to blog.

02:23:28 asciilifeform: better question - what it doesn't contain.

02:23:34 asciilifeform: e.g. der wagen

02:23:42 mircea_popescu: and malaysia does ?!

02:23:46 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In any worthwhile endeavor the highest cost belongs to becoming initiated

02:23:57 decimation: well, it certianly isn't down the street from hong kong

02:24:23 BingoBoingo: %book

02:24:25 atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151

02:24:45 mircea_popescu: think strategically. argentina is a dead end. hong kong is a center. is your business suited for which exactly ?

02:24:58 mircea_popescu: dead ends are eminently defensible. centers are centers of trade for that reason

02:25:01 mircea_popescu: what are you building ?

02:25:29 asciilifeform: small electronic widgets.

02:25:49 decimation: there is a point to that. If you could become legally "untouchable" for a few $100k in bribes to the right people, that's of significant value

02:25:51 mircea_popescu: so then because of your dependency on azn manufacturers you conceivably want your business run there

02:26:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever do business with han chinese ?

02:26:58 mircea_popescu: notrly.

02:27:06 mircea_popescu: not on their turf, anyway.

02:27:15 asciilifeform: if you've no 'guanxi', you're 'not in his WoT'

02:27:20 asciilifeform: ;;google guanxi

02:27:20 mircea_popescu: i can attest that when you can have their head, they're reasonable, fwtw.

02:27:21 gribble: Guanxi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi; What is Guanxi? | World Learner Chinese: http://www.worldlearnerchinese.com/content/what-guanxi; Want To Capitalize On China? You Better Have Good Guanxi - Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/languatica/2012/03/15/want-to-capitalize-on-china-you-better-have-good-guanxi/

02:27:30 mircea_popescu: that i doubt very much.

02:27:41 mircea_popescu: i've yet to have a problem with getting in the wot.

02:27:54 mircea_popescu: then again, im the sort that learns the language and fucks local.

02:29:34 decimation: mircea, I suspect the sayings of don colacho would be an excellent way to brush up on spanish: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/

02:29:34 assbot: Don Colacho’s Aphorisms

02:30:10 mircea_popescu: but... it's in engliush ?!

02:30:31 asciilifeform: chinese 'WoT' (like in other asian nations) is very heavily tilted in direction of blood relation

02:30:36 asciilifeform: or at least marriage

02:30:44 decimation: the original text isn't. click on a link and see the original: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2011/02/2862.html

02:30:45 assbot: Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,862

02:31:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everytrhing has its exceptions. what do i care what the statistics are ?

02:31:38 asciilifeform: they'll do buisiness, yes. and at some point, your operation takes off, you find your factory nationalized.

02:31:48 asciilifeform: or otherwise 'have problems'

02:31:57 mircea_popescu: whoredom is heavily tilted in the direction of blondes, yet any girl i train can top any brothel she wants.

02:32:09 mircea_popescu: or maybe they do.

02:32:59 decimation: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/01/30.html When people stop fighting for the possession of private property, they will fight for the usufruct in collective property.

02:32:59 assbot: Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #30

02:33:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't rightfully say china is 'immovable object.' if you care to try 'irresistible force' there, we'll watch, cheer.

02:33:31 mircea_popescu: everything's an immovable object for something or the other.

02:33:53 mircea_popescu: how did they end up run by the mongols ?

02:34:42 BingoBoingo: "unstoppable force" actually beats immovable object in practice

02:35:30 decimation: so even usg's hilarious inflation numbers are showing inflation http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/17/us-usa-economy-idUSKBN0ES1C620140617

02:35:30 assbot: U.S. consumer prices show inflation ticking up| Reuters

02:35:36 *: asciilifeform is forced to reluctantly love chinese - they're the only 'pepsi' we've got left.

02:35:38 BingoBoingo: Actually unstoppable forces decay within several generations

02:35:52 decimation: I wonder if this has to do with the sudden uptick in acquisitions by the bezzle masters

02:35:58 mircea_popescu: what, argentines are pepsi too.

02:36:14 mircea_popescu: (to add to the humour, in romanian "being pepsi" pretty much means being fucked up)

02:36:17 asciilifeform: lol

02:36:34 moiety: night all :]

02:37:14 mircea_popescu: laters

02:37:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you ever have time, consider writing a piece about Ar circa '98-'02

02:37:34 mircea_popescu: im really not that advanced just yet

02:37:42 asciilifeform: my (no means) expert understanding - they let themselves get arseraped by us banks

02:37:46 decimation: ascii why don't the russians get into electronics/computer manufacturing? have they managed to chase away the talent?

02:38:33 asciilifeform: decimation: start with the soviet mistake (circa mid-70s) of scrapping their own (interesting! e.g. trinary!) comp. research and deciding to copy western archs - e.g. pdp

02:38:37 asciilifeform: in order to run warez

02:39:20 asciilifeform: (western hardware was difficult to get - trade embargoed, had to go through shill companies)

02:39:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't quite see it. so far, they got 50 bn or so, not paying it back

02:39:29 mircea_popescu: seems they assraped the us banks to me.

02:40:02 asciilifeform: http://ferfal.blogspot.com << disinfo ?


02:40:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is rather like supposing that russia (default of late 90s) raped us banks

02:40:51 decimation: the elite did, kind of

02:41:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didn't it ?

02:41:11 asciilifeform: for some value of 'it'

02:41:13 mircea_popescu: decimation the country is the elite.

02:41:26 mircea_popescu: mobile vulgus has no patria.

02:41:40 asciilifeform: the objective - entirely non-monetary - ensure that russian industry gets sawn apart for metals - was achieved.

02:42:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the russian industry, such as it was, was crap. it was going to get sold for scrap anyway.

02:42:13 mircea_popescu: now, its owners had the unmitigated idiocy of not keeping proper capital on hand.

02:42:36 decimation: yeah when you have a traubant factory that employs 50,000 people things are not going to work out well in the long run

02:42:36 mircea_popescu: so a bankruptcy was necessary

02:42:47 BingoBoingo: In a firesale I wonder if Iowa has more value as agriculture or uranium

02:43:04 asciilifeform: was crap << complicated. if you want sovereignty - gotta crank out the hardware, best as you can.

02:43:11 mircea_popescu: not true.

02:43:19 mircea_popescu: im a sovereign that doesn't even suck its own cock, how about that!

02:43:22 mircea_popescu: shouldn't even exist!!1

02:43:51 asciilifeform: lenin suggested that the west 'will sell you the rope to hang it with.' not sure if this can be meant literally - could russia buy working nukes from the targets?

02:44:10 mircea_popescu: dude as if russian industry = nukes in any sense.

02:44:19 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not the whole things, but lands were the scarce lives

02:44:26 decimation: I blame this guy http://jeffsachs.org/2012/03/what-i-did-in-russia/

02:44:27 assbot: What I did in Russia Jeffrey Sachs

02:44:46 mircea_popescu: every single piece of automotive machinery, from cars to trains, airplanes and anything else, that uses too much fuel to be economically usable is either russian make or russian design

02:45:01 asciilifeform: a surprising fraction of soviet economy reduced to - obscenely inefficient method of producing sovereignty-enforcement hardware

02:45:03 mircea_popescu: fucking saratov fridges doing 4kw to slightly cool three galons

02:45:27 asciilifeform: 4kw fridge. that the germans, swedes, whoever, can't blackmail you with by withholding

02:45:33 asciilifeform: gotta understand the mentality.

02:45:46 mircea_popescu: i do understand it, but i am pointing out iot's not all that it's cracked up to be.

02:45:54 mircea_popescu: putin gets this, incidentally.

02:45:58 asciilifeform: it's a siege mentality, necessarily extreme

02:46:03 mircea_popescu: no.

02:46:09 mircea_popescu: a siege mentality is not necessarily extreme.

02:46:13 mircea_popescu: it's lazily extrem

02:46:14 mircea_popescu: e

02:47:16 asciilifeform: sorta like the kind of fellow everyone must know, that got back from afghan and sleeps hugging his rifle, does nothing as hobby but clean and oil it, cycles the bolt at the slightest noise in the house

02:47:37 mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with owning a rifle, in good condition, and being ready and able to use it

02:47:41 asciilifeform: nothing.

02:47:43 mircea_popescu: however, that's not gonna make an omlet

02:47:46 asciilifeform: correct

02:48:10 asciilifeform: good to occasionally hug things that aren't the rifle, also

02:48:11 mircea_popescu: and so the ak-47 shaped spatulas, 18lbs of solid pig iron

02:48:14 mircea_popescu: are getting thrown away

02:48:18 mircea_popescu: because spatula is silicone

02:48:51 asciilifeform: from russian perspective - silicone that won't be there if the border closes

02:49:15 asciilifeform: pentium is great. but 'bk-0010' would've still been there.

02:49:22 mircea_popescu: dude do you see what sort of abused child grown up mentality is this ?

02:49:26 asciilifeform: sure

02:49:28 mircea_popescu: "i can't love you because what if you leave me"

02:49:56 *: asciilifeform doesn't live there now, but definitely gets it. if you grow up in ussr, '45 never really ends

02:50:04 asciilifeform: or, pessimistically, '41

02:50:34 decimation: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/07/25/dying-russias-birth-rate-is-now-higher-than-the-united-states/

02:50:35 assbot: 'Dying' Russia's Birth Rate Is Now Higher Than The United States' - Forbes

02:50:43 asciilifeform: trauma makes people - and cultures - pathologically conservative

02:50:57 *: asciilifeform wonders how applies to china, ought to ask the folks in the know

02:51:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why im such a fan of things like pussy riot

02:51:15 asciilifeform: decimation: with our without dar al islam ?

02:51:21 asciilifeform: *or

02:51:27 mircea_popescu: the best thing for moscow today is if the rich kids started taking the girls nude on leashes on novskiwhateveritscalled

02:51:35 decimation: good point. "white america" definitely has a negative birth rate

02:51:45 asciilifeform: decimation: because last i checked, the entire place converts to tajikistan in <100yrs.

02:52:07 decimation: what about tartarstan

02:53:00 decimation: I guess they are pretty close to the Turkic Tajiks

02:53:04 mircea_popescu: you know these liniar projections never work.

02:53:11 decimation: sons of Khan

02:53:21 mircea_popescu: people were derping about how romania will be 90% gypsy by 20something in 1990.

02:53:34 mircea_popescu: it... still hasn't happened. the oppressed minority is still an oppressed minority.

02:53:58 decimation: mircea: re pussy riot: but ultimately they are tools of the western bezzle machine

02:54:05 mircea_popescu: not so.

02:54:13 mircea_popescu: they're too stupid to be the tools of anything.

02:54:43 mircea_popescu: at any rate, the notion that sensuality and the puritan caging thereof as displayed by the us (and uk before that) are in any way related...

02:54:59 mircea_popescu: purest historical accident. i can understand why us-ians would believe it, because they love to believe themselves relevant

02:55:02 mircea_popescu: but otherwise... lol.

02:56:13 decimation: I agree that the notions of puritanical modesty are hilarious. I was born in an old school Lutheran hospital (now closed) - my birth certificate's seal shows a doctor pulling a baby out of a vagina

02:56:25 decimation: somehow this was okay in Christianity 100 years ago but not today

02:56:49 mircea_popescu: decimation not what i meant. what i means was, the proposition that somehow girls naked in the street are tools of the us bezzle. it's ludicrous.

02:57:03 mircea_popescu: for all you know they're the tools of mp's world domination plans.

02:57:57 decimation: but they parrot and derp about equality, femenism, etc

02:59:03 mircea_popescu: sure. but nobody cares what they say, the only attraction is their nudity.

02:59:33 mircea_popescu: maybe some derps somewhere HOPE that they may embed their message this way, much like radio advertisers hope paying for the radio makes you buy coca cola

02:59:56 mircea_popescu: but the thing still is what it is : nude chicks in a badly abused, utterly frigid, compulsively conservatory society.

02:59:58 mircea_popescu: balm.

03:01:31 decimation: so it would seem that putin is also sending a message about women by caging them

03:01:52 mircea_popescu: putin has the disadvantage of being actually stuck ruling the thing

03:01:57 mircea_popescu: he has to do all sorts of stupid shit.

03:02:49 mircea_popescu: or who knows, maybe he's personally dumb on the score i guess.

03:04:53 decimation: well, he certainly want to encourage fertility, and sending the message that it's okay for russian women to aspire to childless eat pray love isn't the way to get there

03:06:25 decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjI0KYl9gWs

03:06:25 assbot: Pussy Riot - Putin will teach you how to love / - YouTube

03:08:24 decimation: skip to 2:05 to watch Cossacks beat them

03:10:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06924233 = 0.7617 BTC [-]

03:11:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding - fellow with a contract on his head should perhaps sleep with rifle. the one without contract - with girl. whether 4kw fridge, bk0010, etc. is batshit - or genius - depends on which box russia sits in

03:12:03 mircea_popescu: so which kind am i ?

03:12:23 asciilifeform: ask mircea_popescu

03:12:31 mircea_popescu: ok, what kind are you ?

03:12:47 mircea_popescu: what kind is antonoderpulous ? does he have a contract on his head ? twitter says so.

03:12:48 asciilifeform: the kind who 'dies just once'

03:13:05 mircea_popescu: no but i mean, gimme something actionable as per the plan you laid out above.

03:13:05 asciilifeform: lol

03:13:16 BingoBoingo: Seems the solution is to have enough girls to sleep with girl while girl guards door with rifle

03:13:27 mircea_popescu: can't hurt.

03:14:26 asciilifeform: going back to russia/industry: according to 'hardcore' russian folks, the west deprived the nation of crucial natural resource - one still abundant in, e.g. china. of course they aren't talking about lanthanides, but... girls who will birth half a dozen kids and work in factory without toilet breaks

03:14:27 mircea_popescu: decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers, is nao off to molest wife

03:14:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.04639999 = 0.928 BTC [+] {8}

03:14:46 *: asciilifeform lol just got back from molestation

03:14:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'll have to explain this tro me so it makes sense

03:15:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o, you're doing the same one ?! (know the joke ?)

03:15:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the two chaps with the toothbrush, aye

03:15:16 mircea_popescu: no.

03:15:20 asciilifeform: ...?

03:15:28 mircea_popescu: pussy riot gets $1bn to study mating habits across europe.

03:15:42 mircea_popescu: for this purpose, they sequester one woman and two men for a week, then interview them,

03:16:04 mircea_popescu: the english : well... we were never introduced, so we just read the newspapers all week. it was fuckign boring.

03:17:29 mircea_popescu: the french : oh, Leo, Lea, Elie

03:17:46 mircea_popescu: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjVKOPUIcc if you don't klnow it)

03:17:52 asciilifeform: lol

03:18:02 mircea_popescu: the russians : omg this was awful. all night long they took turns fucking me in all the holes

03:18:13 mircea_popescu: and all day long they held syndicate meetings to criticise me for being a whore

03:19:23 mircea_popescu: wb.

03:19:27 mircea_popescu: that was... rapid ?

03:19:38 decimation: "decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers" << not really my cup of tea, but relevant

03:20:02 decimation: my stupid vpn dropped me like a hot potato, thought conversation was over

03:20:11 mircea_popescu: pretty cool how it worked out lol

03:20:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-madness-of-president-putin.html << herr orlov on pussyriot etc

03:20:55 assbot: ClubOrlov: The Madness of President Putin

03:21:21 decimation: the thing I don't understand ascii is that it's clear that russia has the brainpower to make alternatives

03:21:42 decimation: even without all-night slave labor sv startup style

03:21:54 asciilifeform: decimation: go build a MOSFET with... brainpower

03:22:33 asciilifeform: industrial civilization doesn't get birthed from coffee shop (as discussed in one of mp's essays?)

03:23:18 asciilifeform: try mine uranium, tantalum, with brainpower

03:23:40 asciilifeform: get 50 rail cars of synthesis-grade nitric acid with brain.

03:24:24 decimation: This goes back to the warez - they seem like the answer to all your short term problems, but in the long run just get you hooked on the infrastructure

03:24:29 decimation: all of those things do require lots of brain power

03:24:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.22697248 = 2.0428 BTC [+]

03:24:48 decimation: but they also require getting humans to actually do the work

03:25:14 decimation: and... capital

03:25:30 asciilifeform: and 100 yrs. of infrastructure.

03:26:01 asciilifeform: japan jumped the gap - why? because they had the 'natural resource'

03:26:10 decimation: it's true that it's much easier to get nitric acid when the nitric acid factory has been pumping it out two states away for a few decades

03:26:18 asciilifeform: - that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice

03:26:53 decimation: the us had something like that a few decades ago, still coasting on its output

03:26:59 asciilifeform: let's take the liberty of abusing thermodynamics term, and say this is 'fuel'

03:27:15 asciilifeform: whereas u.s. (or moscow today) 'office plankton' is... ground state.

03:27:17 asciilifeform: fuel that's been burned.

03:27:54 asciilifeform: u.s. running on fumes.

03:28:04 asciilifeform: e.g. i can get pcbs made here. it just costs 35x what it does in shanghai.

03:28:22 asciilifeform: because american factory gurlz want toilet breaks, health care!, etc

03:28:58 decimation: When I was in Hawaii last week I thought about this w.r.t. Hawaii. They own one of the most strategic islands on earth

03:29:30 decimation: it could easily outsingapore singapore with its location. but it won't, because it is a combination of bezzle playground and indian reservation

03:30:01 asciilifeform: decimation: it's only strategic value is as 'unsinkable ship'

03:30:22 asciilifeform: otherwise it's a pisshole. (try finding an industrial vendor who will even ship there)

03:30:46 asciilifeform: if you could build a singapore there, that's another matter.

03:30:55 decimation: well, yes, today. but I would wager that if you exchanged the populations of hawaii and singapore, it wouldn't look that way for long

03:31:00 asciilifeform: aye

03:31:45 asciilifeform: not sure how long singapore will last as other than chinese colony after u.s. navy is unplugged

03:32:25 asciilifeform: ditto taiwan

03:33:55 decimation: on Maui there is a statue to Sun Yet-Sen in an obscure park: http://gohawaii.about.com/od/mauisights/ig/sun_yat_sen_park/

03:33:56 assbot: Sun Yat Sen Park, Upcountry Maui Photo Gallery

03:34:11 decimation: when visiting, I discovered that Sun Yat Sen went to the same school as... Obama

03:34:42 decimation: when the usians are trading golden yuan pieces in a few decades they will remember this bit of history

03:35:23 asciilifeform: decimation: the middle kingdom != la serenissima. they'll be buying rice with paper yuans.

03:36:23 mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=D.BPAY <

03:36:23 assbot: D.BPAY last @0.00000000

03:36:37 mircea_popescu: that's basically how it's gonna look. welcoming questions as to the contract etc.

03:36:40 asciilifeform: neato

03:36:42 mircea_popescu: prolly starting to trade monday

03:37:19 asciilifeform: proving that one holds shares on fiat exchange might be energy-intensive

03:37:27 decimation: this is true. the amusing thing to me is that Obama rose with the new left under Maoism... and China today embraces (in action, not words) Chinese nationalism and rejects Mao

03:38:05 asciilifeform: (suddenly you're going over bezzlar paperwork with magnifying glass)

03:38:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why'd that be required ?

03:38:45 asciilifeform: nm bad reading

03:39:24 *: asciilifeform dug in ancient engine amidst mosquito clouds, tired

03:40:41 decimation: I'm confused about who the counterparty is

03:40:49 decimation: I assume it's just you with your bitcoin bank right?

03:41:35 asciilifeform: mp has bank now?!

03:41:56 decimation: I'm using "bank" to mean "pile of bitcoin"

03:41:57 mircea_popescu: decimation actually im going to make a fund, so people can buy into it.

03:42:04 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, yes.

03:43:02 decimation: this is kind of a more open-ended version of your berkshire bet?

03:43:24 mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=D.BTGO

03:43:24 assbot: D.BTGO last @0.00000000

03:43:37 mircea_popescu: idem. if anyone wants to see more and they meet the criteria, let me know.

03:43:45 mircea_popescu: decimation not really. berkshire is not a shitstup

03:44:29 decimation: what happens if bitpay dissolves as an entity before a b or c happen?

03:44:32 decimation: shares go to zero value?

03:44:52 mircea_popescu: pretty much

03:45:46 decimation: I guess they are tickets to a show that never happened

03:45:59 mircea_popescu: something like that yea

03:46:44 asciilifeform: 'dead pool' ?

03:47:31 decimation: well, the seller of said tickets will be enriched ... :)

03:47:58 *: asciilifeform remembers 'fucked company'

03:48:23 decimation: still, to me it seems like you need to get a few of these to "fail" so you can build up a war chest as a credible counterparty

03:48:51 mircea_popescu: decimation why ?

03:49:01 Mats_cd03: how fucking ridiculous

03:49:08 asciilifeform: war chest is there, to everyone's satisfaction, i imagine

03:49:37 decimation: I like bitbet because it's extremely transparent that way

03:51:09 decimation: mats: what is rediculous?

03:52:28 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

03:52:29 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 604.34, Best ask: 605.46, Bid-ask spread: 1.12000, Last trade: 606.24, 24 hour volume: 5471.59645098, 24 hour low: 599.9, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.679332574

03:53:04 decimation: it's been racheting up slowly from 500

03:55:44 decimation: !down decimation

03:57:21 Mats_cd03: asks q then leaves while i type response

04:02:10 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi/status/479463088870412288

04:02:11 assbot: I was considering bidding on the seized SR bitcoin, but I think I'll just wait for the US Marshals to tweet the private keys to the winners.

04:04:10 mircea_popescu: lol

04:18:23 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/introducing-fderp/

04:18:25 assbot: Introducing F.DERP pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:22:38 Duffer1: o.0

04:23:53 mircea_popescu: quite.

04:25:10 mircea_popescu: justlurking: yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete << hey there.

04:31:56 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: the investors will make a KLIPPING << ahahaha

04:32:02 mircea_popescu: dude i think kako is like the funniest guy here.

04:35:20 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/introducing-fderp/

04:36:01 mircea_popescu: gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. << this warms my cold dark heart.

04:43:02 punkman: mircea_popescu: how so

04:43:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: ;;google site:fraudsters.com live to be a millionaire << shit i wrote that ?! in another decade fraudsters'll be new reading to me too ;/

04:43:39 mircea_popescu: punkman i like it when people build things upon things.

04:43:48 mircea_popescu: ;;google society for putting things on top of other things

04:43:48 gribble: Monty Python Royal Society for Putting Things on top of other things ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f-kfRREA8M; Monty Python: Royal Society For Putting Things on Top of Other ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg; Monty Python: The Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things: http://www.montypython.net/scripts/society.php

04:52:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You wrote relatively recently

04:52:51 mircea_popescu: yeah, with it here i remember it.

04:53:27 mircea_popescu: ?No one is wise enough or good enough to mould the character of any child? An adult generation that has seen two great wars and seems about to launch a third should not be trusted to mould the character of a rat.?

04:53:36 mircea_popescu: a.s. neil is perhaps the dumbest guy i read this year

04:53:43 mircea_popescu: what the fuck already. since when is war a disqualifier ?

04:53:56 asciilifeform: 'war - the mother of all things'

04:54:02 mircea_popescu: anyone wanna go kill this guy ?

04:54:04 mircea_popescu: or is he dead already ?

04:54:47 BingoBoingo: I'll assume he's already dead, at least on the inside

04:55:23 mircea_popescu: a well.

04:55:27 mircea_popescu: perhaps the next one.

05:05:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://clubs.ya.ru/4611686018427388682/replies.xml?item_no=24517 << 'saratov' fridge. 93 Wt. cost: 76 rub. date of manuf.: 1969.

05:05:12 assbot: - .

05:05:36 asciilifeform: caption, among other things 'ran for 40 yrs.'

05:07:25 asciilifeform: plenty of comments, in the spirit, 'mine's built '65 and runs.'

05:07:56 *: asciilifeform thinks plenty of folks are grossly misinformed re: soviet hardware.

05:08:51 *: asciilifeform wonders in what western country you can buy a fridge that runs for 50 years. for $500? 5000, 50,000 ?

05:09:33 mircea_popescu: i was forcing a point !!1

05:09:55 asciilifeform: crappy soviet hardware is very real

05:09:57 mircea_popescu: that point being, that the russian (actually, german, pre ww2) model works just fine with no ecological consideration

05:10:05 asciilifeform: and largely came from lack of necessaries

05:10:09 mircea_popescu: or in otherwords, if you're willing to kill as many subhumans as it takes

05:10:19 asciilifeform: e.g. my father was once employed to reverse-engineer movie projectors

05:10:32 asciilifeform: couldn't get german steel for the part where the film stretches taught

05:10:38 asciilifeform: result - tolerances fail, film - snaps

05:10:57 asciilifeform: redesign. result -> cruddy kludge

05:11:23 mircea_popescu: myeah

05:12:24 asciilifeform: energy cost is a design parameter at the time of design - not now.

05:12:35 asciilifeform: my neighbour - rebuilds '40s-'50s amer cars.

05:13:01 mircea_popescu: o look at that, bids

05:13:06 mircea_popescu: $depth D.BPAY

05:13:07 empyex: mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=92 Or use a valid MPSIC!

05:13:07 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

05:13:13 mircea_popescu: tsk tsk

05:17:00 FabianB: $depth D.BPAY

05:17:00 empyex: FabianB: [D.BPAY] Bids: 100 @ 0.25000000

05:17:01 empyex: FabianB: [D.BPAY] Asks:

05:22:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 17 @ 0.052 = 0.884 BTC [+]

05:22:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDvikAG7cD8#t=15 << 4-cycle petrol engine built from that fridge's compressor.

05:22:38 assbot: 4 - YouTube

05:26:25 mircea_popescu: ahaha

05:26:31 mircea_popescu: FabianB :) danke

05:26:56 FabianB: np :)

05:34:13 BingoBoingo: %book

05:34:14 atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151

05:34:47 mircea_popescu: lol is the 201 guy someone who bought at 200 and they figure THEY MUST PROFT

05:40:51 BingoBoingo: I have no idea

05:41:50 BingoBoingo: Maybe it is someone who wants to see the market go down to grab cheap ATC?

05:47:53 mircea_popescu: mebbe

05:50:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00082258 = 8.6782 BTC [-]

05:52:28 fluffypony: dump, rebut in lower

05:52:29 fluffypony: *rebuy

06:23:21 jurov: nice

06:23:55 jurov: mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there?

06:24:08 jurov: but they'll prolly have negative price :(

06:34:05 jurov: anyway i'd be surprised if schmucks who may buy D.* have mpex or at least coinbr accounts *and* whole bitcoins

06:36:14 jurov: they'll prolly need free coinbr account provided i'll sell their souls.. does anyone want them?

06:37:17 jurov: lol what pm i got <Vexual> ill take a 0 fee br acct

06:37:43 jurov: !up Vexual

06:37:54 Vexual: yeah about the soul..

06:38:27 Vexual: i'm ot sure i've got full title

06:38:58 jurov: markov chains did n't use to have souls

06:40:12 jurov: that doesn't preclude them to be sold anyway

06:43:05 Vexual: yeah i'll have to read up on that

06:44:28 Vexual: with the 10 percent...

06:44:42 Vexual: perhaps someone will like to buy these

06:48:17 Vexual: id like to be the photographer when rich b sits down with mirc p

06:50:26 Vexual: i call it red wine and dentures

06:54:56 Vexual: cat hasn't even done a vice cover yet

06:57:36 Vexual: alternate cover:interviewer

07:38:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06947992 = 0.6948 BTC [-] {2}

07:48:41 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/4xJH4ui.jpg

07:48:43 fluffypony: lol

08:09:57 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpbw_MfIAAAXg1o.jpg:large

08:11:24 punkman: !up Vexual

08:15:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24755 @ 0.00082279 = 20.3682 BTC [+] {3}

08:21:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/19/bitcoin-and-bowl-games/

08:23:02 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI9ifCMk0Dg

08:23:02 assbot: Rick Ross - Nobody (Explicit) ft. French Montana, Puff Daddy - YouTube

08:34:46 punkman: http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/macon/2014/06/16/crime-reports-macon-june-16/10631943/

08:34:46 assbot: Bibb Crime Files: Man accidentally shoots himself in penis

08:36:40 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkw-FOGn7mc

08:36:40 assbot: Iggy Azalea - Fancy - YouTube

08:40:06 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sokdL-0iV9s

08:40:07 assbot: BODY COUNT - Talk S**t, Get Shot (Official Music Video) - YouTube

09:08:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.06967197 = 2.4385 BTC [+] {4}

09:09:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06987478 = 0.6987 BTC [+]

09:10:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06999999 = 1.05 BTC [+]

09:13:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00082424 = 8.4485 BTC [+]

09:47:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00082424 = 7.7891 BTC [+]

10:31:55 kakobrekla: !up ronkrt

10:31:58 kakobrekla: meh

10:32:03 kakobrekla: a.

11:02:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00082278 = 4.9778 BTC [-]

11:34:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 79 @ 0.06822862 = 5.3901 BTC [-] {6}

11:35:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06738554 = 1.3477 BTC [-] {5}

11:47:24 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28j5y1/the_future_of_money_part_two/

11:47:24 assbot: The Future of Money, Part Two. : Bitcoin

12:02:35 kakobrekla: lol

12:35:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00082201 = 26.0577 BTC [-] {3}

12:41:22 kakobrekla: http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock

12:41:23 assbot: bl.ocks.org - mbostock

12:56:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06947638 = 0.9032 BTC [-]

12:58:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0694999 = 0.6255 BTC [+]

13:23:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06949931 = 1.1815 BTC [-] {3}

13:28:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 53 @ 0.06999998 = 3.71 BTC [+] {4}

13:43:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 29 @ 0.03847462 = 1.1158 BTC [-]

13:44:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00082131 = 11.3341 BTC [-] {2}

13:55:26 mike_c: if i understand: BitPay get acquired by Facebook. D.BPAY holders are entitled to some share of the increase in facebook market cap.

13:56:21 mike_c: if that is true, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me. if Facebook pays the right amount for BitPay, market cap shouldn't move. Facebook will be -$1b in cash and +$1b in value due to bitpay.

13:56:45 mike_c: whereas bitpay investors will get rich.

13:57:09 fluffypony: wait, what?

13:57:12 fluffypony: Facebook is buying Bitpay?

13:57:23 mike_c: or at least liquid, since they were already rich in value.

13:59:10 mike_c: fluffypony: no, this is an example.

14:08:45 danielpbarron: I'm gonna be at porcfest next week; what can I do for the -assets community beyond generally promoting it in conversation?

14:10:15 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron want a tshirt ?

14:10:39 danielpbarron: I ordered one from nubbins` already; is there another shirt?

14:10:43 mircea_popescu: aok

14:10:53 mircea_popescu: nah i was gonna buy you one :)

14:10:55 danielpbarron: I don't expect that to arrive before I leave

14:11:02 mircea_popescu: well so next time

14:11:09 chetty: try to pay for stuff in bitcoin

14:11:22 mircea_popescu: or justkeep your bitcoin. either way :D

14:11:27 danielpbarron: i don't think i'll go to any future porcfests; i kinda regret buying the ticket for this one but i might as well use it at this point

14:11:39 danielpbarron: yeah i plan in selling stuff for BTC; not interested in shorting it

14:12:25 mircea_popescu: i never been, how they go ?

14:12:38 mike_c: http://porcfest.com/ hmm, i don't think this is what you're talking about.

14:12:39 assbot: PorcFest | The 11th Annual Porcupine Freedom Festival

14:12:46 danielpbarron: yeah that's it

14:13:21 mike_c: oh :) is the porcupine community into bitcoin?

14:13:28 mircea_popescu: now im getting airbnb spam

14:13:35 danielpbarron: i've never been either; it's gonna be teeming with what MP refers to as "libertards"

14:13:46 mircea_popescu: what the fuck srsly, the vc circuit is reducing to a spam&scamfest

14:13:50 danielpbarron: mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters

14:14:37 mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters << libertards srsly ?!

14:15:08 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, the "free state project" participants, yes

14:15:15 mircea_popescu: ah yea

14:15:37 chetty: well thats a different breed of libtards, not lefties

14:15:47 danielpbarron: i recall some story of ver going to visit ian from free talk live and convincing them to accept BTC for selling ad space

14:16:02 danielpbarron: libertards != libtards

14:16:11 mike_c: ok, ok. this has nothing to do with the animal.

14:17:08 danielpbarron: i think aantonop is going to be there, among other "well known" idiots in the "bitcoin community"

14:18:02 kakobrekla: coinapult is a gold sponsor of the fest

14:18:26 kakobrekla: wear a helmet, i guess.

14:18:32 HeySteve: hello

14:19:15 HeySteve: wondering if anyone news sites have covered F.DERP yet...

14:19:25 HeySteve: uh any*

14:22:01 kakobrekla: i doubt

14:22:24 mircea_popescu: HeySteve go ahead.

14:22:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, off to a meeting, will bbl.

14:22:33 HeySteve: cool

14:22:42 HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I'd like to speak to you about it when you're back

14:23:26 fluffypony: !up peterl

14:23:41 fluffypony: !up peterl

14:24:02 peterl: trying to wrap my head around what F.DERP is

14:24:22 peterl: does it profit from the derp companies doing good or bad?

14:24:41 HeySteve: a bet against "amazing companies" I guess

14:24:41 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:25:11 HeySteve: wish I'd gotten short on that wannabe pornstar guy who gambled all his investor's funds away

14:25:51 kakobrekla: the thing is you cant go short cause idiots are idiots.

14:26:42 HeySteve: kakobrekla, I believe idiocy will eventually end in failure. sure there might be an initial boom while other idiots pile in but...

14:27:51 punkman: HeySteve: infinite hitpoints

14:28:10 kakobrekla: well not infinite but over 7 billion

14:29:17 kakobrekla: which i guess is as good as infinite

14:29:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0695 = 0.695 BTC [+]

14:31:17 punkman: kakobrekla, the idiot pool could theoretically stop replenishing itself

14:31:20 HeySteve: I assume BitPay and BitGo (which I haven't heard of) are the relevant companies

14:31:21 punkman: I wouldn't bet on it

14:38:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [+]

14:45:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.06740031 = 2.8982 BTC [-] {5}

14:55:05 lobbes: the more I read the logs, the more humble I become. Then I read the blogs...

14:57:42 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/13VVSFH.txt )

14:57:42 kakobrekla: !b 1

14:57:58 kakobrekla: did ya read the bash?

15:02:55 ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: what do you think about creating seeds.therealaltcoin.org with node seeds. /// Sure, can someone provide the landing content/file? ;;later tell me or such, I'm very behind on logs and distracted by day trading lately

15:03:31 mike_c: sure, it's not a web page though, it's a DNS thing

15:04:09 mike_c: you add a bunch of A records in the DNS for active nodes. i'll let you know.

15:06:44 bitcoinpete: More lulzy feedback from the litecoin article:

15:06:55 bitcoinpete: "your article on litecoin is one of the worst, most unresearched journalism attempts ive ever seen. Hang your head in shame"

15:07:03 bitcoinpete: "your use of vocab is the least impressive and your facts are skewed only to meet your own objectives."

15:07:12 bitcoinpete: "Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up"

15:07:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/19/the-free-health-club-membership-an-experiment-in-roi/

15:08:14 bitcoinpete: dammit, thought i changed that url...

15:08:17 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves

15:08:21 asciilifeform: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mpex.co

15:08:25 assbot: Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up?

15:08:25 fluffypony: I already linked to the github repo for it

15:08:50 bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: huh

15:08:59 bitcoinpete: i'm seeing the same

15:09:17 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/KryptoKoolio/status/479635487213486080

15:09:18 assbot: /bitcoinpete Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up

15:09:28 Blazedout419: ;;isitdown mpex.co

15:09:30 bitcoinpete: i really gotta get clued up

15:09:52 gribble: mpex.co is down

15:09:52 Blazedout419: ^^ grib can checks

15:09:52 kakobrekla: its down

15:09:52 asciilifeform: neato

15:09:52 bitcoinpete: quite neat

15:10:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another smoking disk ?

15:10:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06504115 = 6.5041 BTC [-] {14}

15:10:24 kakobrekla: he is off on a meeting or smth

15:11:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [-]

15:14:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/19/the-free-health-club-membership-an-experiment-in-monthly-vs-annual-payments/

15:14:57 bitcoinpete: so penguirker re-posts when the url is changed eh

15:15:03 mike_c: ;;isitdown mpex.coinbr.com

15:15:04 gribble: mpex.coinbr.com is up

15:16:39 fluffypony: modern teknologies

15:18:14 bitcoinpete: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-forms-committee-create-bitcoin-unicode-symbol/ << committees!

15:18:14 assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Mulling Standard BTC Denominations, Bitcoin Unicode

15:21:14 fluffypony: bitcoinpete cut them some slack, they have to consider the long-reaching consequences of renaming "satoshis"...whatever will the altcoins think if they do?

15:21:29 fluffypony: bitcoinbong is still my favourite

15:21:56 bitcoinpete: lol

15:22:20 bitcoinpete: "that coffee will be 19 bitcoinbongs, please"

15:31:39 bitcoinpete: "The company known for computer chips on Thursday plans to announce the availability of an app that lets people leave offbeat animated messages using smartphones. It exploits the device’s camera and microphone to capture a user’s facial movements and voice, which are used to control cartoon-like figures known as avatars in recorded sequences."

15:31:49 bitcoinpete: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/19/intel-serves-up-mobile-message-avatars/

15:31:49 assbot: Intel Serves up Mobile-Message Avatars - Digits - WSJ

15:32:01 bitcoinpete: but i bet intel's rng is still good

15:33:34 bitcoinpete: on the amd side… http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/19/amd-vows-25-fold-increase-in-chip-energy-efficiency/

15:33:34 assbot: AMD Vows 25-Fold Increase in Chip Energy-Efficiency - Digits - WSJ

15:33:50 bitcoinpete: which should be useful for mining and such

15:34:02 moiety: herro eberybady

15:35:22 bitcoinpete: moiety: heya

15:37:27 HeySteve: this could be important... http://wikileaks.org/tisa-financial/

15:37:28 assbot: Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex

15:53:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2259989 = 1.13 BTC [-] {2}

16:00:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.72668865 BTC to 9`245 shares, 18677 satoshi per share

16:00:24 moiety: !up kermit

16:00:30 moiety: !up alex_c

16:01:26 moiety: omg im so nervous thinking about BB, can't wait to hear how it all went today. i know he'll be fine but still

16:10:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00082384 = 13.2638 BTC [+]

16:14:40 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Spain will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/912/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.82877738 BTC. Current weight: 39,102.

16:16:33 FabianB: $traded

16:16:33 empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE

16:17:04 pankkake: !mpif

16:17:06 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021674 BTC (Total: 433.49 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]

16:25:31 moiety: they've made 11 videos from OSCON 2013 available for free http://www.oscon.com/oscon2014/public/content/mainstage-video?imm_mid=0be4b3&cmp=em-prog-confreg-info-os14_free_video_mainstage

16:25:33 assbot: Mainstage Video: OSCON 2014 - O'Reilly Conferences, July 20 - 24, 2014, Portland, OR

16:36:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24991 @ 0.0008251 = 20.6201 BTC [+]

16:42:31 bitstein: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-18/putin-advisor-proposes-anti-dollar-alliance-halt-us-foreign-aggression + http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2248419 = much fun for bitcoin

16:42:31 assbot: Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad | Zero Hedge

16:42:33 assbot: Regulating Digital Currencies: Bringing Bitcoin within the Reach of the IMF by Nicholas Plassaras :: SSRN

16:52:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0666 = 1.0656 BTC [-] {2}

16:55:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06659999 = 0.999 BTC [-] {2}

16:56:20 HeySteve: yeah bitstein, seems russia are a move ahead again

16:56:43 HeySteve: mircea_popescu I am away now but will be back in about 8 hours or so

16:56:59 HeySteve: cheers all

16:57:06 kakobrekla: good luck

17:00:43 BingoBoingo: moiety: went well

17:02:31 moiety: :D brilliant BingoBoingo! When will they get in touch?

17:02:46 BingoBoingo: Late next week after the other interviews.

17:03:19 BingoBoingo: I think I've got this one.

17:04:03 BingoBoingo: Only two other people get interviewed

17:08:28 pankkake: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/yo-app-1-million-dollars_n_5507634.html

17:08:28 assbot: An App That Does Nothing Except Say 'Yo' Raises One. Million. Dollars.

17:10:32 moiety: sorry for delay, just spilled coffee everywhere, which is really useful. only two others is even better BingoBoingo. do you think they will call? they're usually pretty good for that here

17:11:10 moiety: some people just make you wait on a letter which is just crap

17:11:50 BingoBoingo: moiety: They said they will. I think some things attractive about the job to me (odd hours, duties from four other people's jobs) are going to come out as turnoff in the other interviews.

17:12:47 moiety: exciting times! i think i've been more nervous than you today!

17:14:40 BingoBoingo: I also encountered one of asciilifeform's defective birds earlier in the day.

17:15:30 pankkake: ;;later tell bitcoinpete your latest post reminds me of the http://trollscience.com/ "infinite money"

17:15:31 assbot: Science You Wish Were True :: Troll Science

17:15:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:15:41 BingoBoingo: Attacked my windshield, and then was made to comply with a standard

17:25:32 BingoBoingo: 'Murica http://www.salon.com/2014/06/19/honey_boo_boo_is_a_monster_what_reality_tv_did_to_the_pint_size_pageant_queen/

17:25:32 assbot: Honey Boo Boo is a monster: What reality TV did to the pint-size pageant queen - Salon.com

17:33:54 pankkake: …where the author realizes tv is fake. duh

17:34:37 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: birds ?

17:37:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Defective bird attacked my windshield. Unlike the bird that attacked your window... THis one could only make one attempt before being corrected by physics.

17:40:29 pankkake: !up aabtc

17:40:29 asciilifeform: helps when window moves.

17:41:41 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, self defending window. Only mess was some feathers and dust.

17:42:06 kakobrekla: !up bigtip

17:43:12 asciilifeform: pankkake, BingoBoingo: https://vimeo.com/68401939

17:43:13 assbot: Simpsons - Thermodynamic 2nd Law on Vimeo

17:45:27 pankkake: lol /r/litecoin is bagholding so damn hard

17:46:06 BingoBoingo: %book

17:46:07 atcbot: 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151

17:48:30 BingoBoingo: %ticker

17:48:31 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 58k High: 201 Low: 200 VWAP: 200

17:49:01 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/28k4v8/why_does_everybody_lie_and_say_that_litecoin_is/ lol so butthurt

17:49:02 assbot: Why does everybody lie and say that Litecoin is faster than Bitcoin? : litecoin

17:52:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Like with winnie the pooh do the Russians have a less jaundiced Simpsons?

17:53:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not afaik

17:53:12 BingoBoingo: Shame

17:53:16 pankkake: they have winnie the poo?

17:53:56 asciilifeform: pankkake: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5swOZ1EYk

17:53:57 assbot: . . HD ! - YouTube

17:56:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/06/19/update/

18:14:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0666 = 1.0656 BTC [+]

18:44:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 95 @ 0.2259989 = 21.4699 BTC [-]

18:47:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1890 @ 0.00082419 = 1.5577 BTC [-]

19:04:38 moiety: !up frank1e

19:14:12 ThickAsThieves: <+asciilifeform> 'Avarus, Inc. (“we”, “us”, “our”) was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on September 20, 2010. The Company was originally organized as a “blank check” shell Company to investigate and acquire a target company or business seeking the perceived advantages of being a publicly held corporation.' << lol! /// The Havelock System

19:17:13 moiety: so do bits go missing from logs if assbot isn't here?

19:17:53 mike_c: yup

19:18:32 moiety: ah, thanks

19:22:31 FabianB: $traded

19:22:31 empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.BBET S.MPOE

19:23:33 FabianB: aha, S.BBET during netsplit

19:23:59 benkay: gorgeous power politics: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/fracking/10911942/Russia-in-secret-plot-against-fracking-Nato-chief-says.html

19:23:59 assbot: Russia in secret plot against fracking, Nato chief says - Telegraph

19:25:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00082513 = 15.0174 BTC [+] {2}

19:25:58 benkay: http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/servers/onmetal/

19:34:50 benkay: http://thecodelesscode.com/case/26

19:34:50 assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 26 The Uncorrected Monk

19:47:30 asciilifeform: 'Perhaps the Russians are worried about our huge wind and solar potential, and have infiltrated the UK Government.' << lol. wreckers.

19:59:13 benkay: wreckers?

20:00:00 asciilifeform: benkay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_people

20:00:00 assbot: Enemy of the people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

20:01:14 benkay: myeah

20:01:16 benkay: thx

20:12:10 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/bolivias-central-bank-bans-bitcoin-digital-currencies/

20:12:10 assbot: Bolivia's Central Bank Bans Bitcoin and All Digital Currencies

20:17:38 benkay: pankkake: it begins :)

20:18:07 benkay: argentina had a chance to do the same before the Migration

20:19:32 chetty: benkay, but argentina has this habit of doing different than everyone else

20:20:37 benkay: i wouldn't really know

20:20:46 benkay: haven't been around long enough or read enough

20:24:51 thestringpuller: !mpif

20:24:52 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021682 BTC (Total: 433.65 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]

20:25:13 thestringpuller: !jd mpif

20:25:13 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.39784744 BTC; +0.37267627 BTC (+0.2179%) since last check 1d 9h 3m 49s ago.

20:29:23 FabianB: $depth f.mpif

20:29:23 empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021682 100 @ 0.00021674 100 @ 0.00021667 100 @ 0.00021664

20:29:24 empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 444 @ 0.00021726 56 @ 0.00023900 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000

20:59:32 chetty: http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/wikileaks-publish-secret-trade-services-agreement-tisa-financial-services-annex/

20:59:33 assbot: Wikileaks Publish Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex

20:59:57 mircea_popescu: yo

21:00:44 benkay: o hai

21:02:31 mircea_popescu: how goes!

21:02:47 benkay: NEED MOAR DEALS

21:03:02 mircea_popescu: "Hello, mpex.co is under ddos. To stop the attack, send 0.25 BTC to 1DNExFs45Tmfyxp3aG9k9HQ1q6euWB7Sus

21:03:02 mircea_popescu: It's one time payment, after which you will not hear from me again (and you are free to publish my name and email on your blog)"

21:03:03 benkay: monster is hungry and must be appeased

21:03:06 mircea_popescu: did this actually happen ?

21:03:07 mircea_popescu: i was out

21:03:41 mircea_popescu: o wait, i guess i didn't miss anything. "If you don't pay me now, tomorrow price will increase to 0.5 BTC."

21:04:14 asciilifeform: what kind of turdmeister asks for 1/4 btc ?!

21:04:27 chetty: uh isnt a ddos supposed ot make page load slow? fail

21:04:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00082155 = 13.4323 BTC [-] {4}

21:04:36 FabianB: lol

21:04:39 mircea_popescu: ask me not.

21:04:40 asciilifeform: well it was dead earlier today

21:04:49 mike_c: chetty: he paid him ;)

21:04:56 chetty: right

21:04:59 asciilifeform: guess the hand-cranked spamatron operator grew tired

21:04:59 mircea_popescu: i did ?!

21:05:09 mircea_popescu: hand cranked spamatron lol

21:06:27 mircea_popescu: i can't stop imagining various hand-cranked things

21:06:31 mircea_popescu: battleship.

21:06:39 mircea_popescu: offset press

21:06:51 mircea_popescu: john deere corn processor

21:07:07 asciilifeform: fridge.

21:07:38 mircea_popescu: ithink fridge, phone and washing machine actulaly existed

21:07:50 mircea_popescu: and dildo/vibrator, prolly.

21:07:54 asciilifeform: laugh now

21:07:55 asciilifeform: cry later:

21:07:57 asciilifeform: https://musingsonentropy.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/the-killcap-refrigerator-working-title

21:07:59 assbot: The KillCap Refrigerator | musings on entropy

21:08:16 asciilifeform: '...the machine I would most like to develop is a pedal powered refrigerator and possibly freezer.'

21:08:41 benkay: why fridges spill all the cold air out every time one opens them, i'll never understand.

21:08:50 mircea_popescu: so did england justget eliminated ?

21:09:03 asciilifeform: ('absorption' type fridge fueled with the bugger's own fat would be considerably more efficient. but for some reason he did not suggest this variant.)

21:10:02 asciilifeform: benkay: i once worked with laboratory (-80C) units that didn't. a pump moved the cold air to reservoir when you turned the handle. room air pumped in, door opens. reverse when close hadle.

21:10:04 asciilifeform: *handle

21:11:11 benkay: is this...sane?

21:11:36 asciilifeform: afaik this was to keep co2 crystals from covering everything

21:11:43 asciilifeform: (they still seemed to do so)

21:12:03 mircea_popescu: i think if they did it the other way you couldn't pass

21:12:03 asciilifeform: (that, and ice)

21:12:34 mircea_popescu: so i go to this place where i normally have an orange juice "exprimido" which means freshly pressed with a two liter bottle, asked them to fill it

21:12:48 mircea_popescu: girly is like... well you ok to wait a little ? we gotta send someone to buy oranges.

21:13:16 mircea_popescu: im more than happy to wait for real fresh juice

21:15:00 kakobrekla: it ends here?

21:15:18 kakobrekla: where is the "fuck off im outta here?"

21:15:33 nubbins`: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jun/19/dov-charney-american-apparel

21:15:33 assbot: American Apparel sacks Dov Charney as chairman and suspends him as CEO | Business | The Guardian

21:15:37 nubbins`: ^ i lel'd

21:17:12 nubbins`: the fucked part is at the end where it says blank tees retail in their shops for 30GBP

21:17:14 nubbins`: :0

21:17:34 nubbins`: i mean, i know london is far from L.A.

21:17:41 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i just read teh newspaper

21:17:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20808 @ 0.00081773 = 17.0153 BTC [-] {2}

21:17:54 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what'd he do anyway ?

21:18:09 nubbins`: just general sleaze, other execs got tired of it

21:18:19 nubbins`: oh and the whole losing $100m last year i guess didn't help

21:27:27 punkman: morning

21:30:50 mircea_popescu: ah

21:30:52 mircea_popescu: !up publio

21:31:49 nubbins`: evening, punkman

21:31:56 publio: thanks mp

21:36:31 mircea_popescu: sure.

21:41:44 publio: since btc is being touted as a replacement for fiat, has anybody been following the btcusd:xauusd ratio?

21:41:56 mircea_popescu: not much

21:42:04 benkay: ;;ticker --currency xau

21:42:15 gribble: Bitstamp BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.480816, Best ask: 0.480832, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 0.480832, 24 hour volume: 3043.21557294, 24 hour low: 0.480832, 24 hour high: 0.487984, 24 hour vwap: 0.0

21:42:49 benkay: publio: ^^

21:42:56 mircea_popescu: fwiw.

21:43:02 publio: gold shot up $40 today, yet btc is flat

21:43:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06899998 = 2.76 BTC [+]

21:43:41 mircea_popescu: the relation is very slight.

21:43:50 nubbins`: ;;bc,xau

21:44:01 gribble: 1 XAU = 1319.300000000000 USD = 2.19700249792 BTC

21:44:12 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/pgRiYFC

21:44:13 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

21:44:41 nubbins`: "what's a zero in roman noomerels?"

21:45:12 benkay: oh god

21:45:23 punkman: lol

21:45:27 []bot: Bet placed: 1.6 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.16199681 BTC. Current weight: 9,848.

21:45:32 nubbins`: "just draw it with corners"

21:45:51 benkay: roman numerals 2.3

21:46:41 mircea_popescu: ahaha

21:47:01 mircea_popescu: MMXV, II0IV, same shit

21:47:42 nubbins`: nod

21:48:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06810728 = 0.7492 BTC [-] {2}

21:48:21 mircea_popescu: and then i rant about how us people don't speak latin. what speak latin lol.

21:48:52 mircea_popescu: jurov: mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there? << what'd be d.bbs ?

21:49:07 nubbins`: blackberry sextenger

21:49:23 mircea_popescu: jurov: anyway i'd be surprised if schmucks who may buy D.* have mpex or at least coinbr accounts *and* whole bitcoins <<< are you saying the claim that someone "invested" 30mn usd in bitpay are false ?

21:49:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/con-alma-de-tango/

21:52:33 mircea_popescu: mike_c:whereas bitpay investors will get rich. << how'd you go about it ?

21:53:14 mike_c: well, acquisition is liquidity event for bitpay investors, but if appropriately priced would not affect acquirer's short-term market cap.

21:53:36 mircea_popescu: but also if appropriately priced it'd be priced at 0.

21:54:05 nubbins`: heh

21:54:10 mike_c: to rephrase: buying a $1b asset does not change market cap.

21:54:14 mircea_popescu: anyway, reason the contracts aren't signed yet is because i wanna see what the general community thinks

21:55:15 mircea_popescu: buying a 1bn asset for 1bn does not change book value

21:55:23 mike_c: right.

21:56:23 mike_c: it just feels like a situation where bitpay fiat investors would clean up but d.bpay investors could lose big.

21:57:02 mircea_popescu: alternatively, bitpay gets sold for $50k to facebook, which moves up 25% that month

21:57:15 mircea_popescu: bitpay fiat investors get wiped, d.bpay make bank

21:57:40 mircea_popescu: there's really very little way to price fraudulent sales.

21:57:53 mircea_popescu: facebook can announce a 20bn buy of something worth 0 any time it pleases.

21:57:55 mircea_popescu: odds are it will do so.

21:58:15 mircea_popescu: if actual bitcoin is at stake, it doing so becomes a certainty.

21:58:50 mike_c: yeah.. but if the returns are not well connected to the returns fiat investors see (btc forex risk ignored) it may not have the effect you are looking for.

21:59:25 mircea_popescu: well, fortuntely economy is additive.

21:59:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, do you see a constructive solution ?

22:00:03 mike_c: i'm not sure i see one you will like.

22:00:16 mircea_popescu: let me be the judge of that lol

22:00:46 mike_c: well, facebook doesn't just announce a 20bn purchase. they are public, they have to record what they pay.

22:01:16 mike_c: so you could use that purchase price. this does get complicated with (cash + stock + incentives) though.

22:01:17 mircea_popescu: to some degree

22:01:43 mircea_popescu: but no, in general the "purchase price" is more of a pr device than an accounting device these days

22:02:42 mike_c: there are both, the PR and the accounting. the PR being cash + stock + incentives. but cash + stock is accounting

22:03:16 mike_c: of course, the stock is generally restricted..

22:03:29 mike_c: it's complicated. i'll ponder some more.

22:04:06 mike_c: in case you didn't realize, it's complicated! :D

22:04:43 mircea_popescu: :)

22:05:26 mircea_popescu: fluffypony:

22:05:27 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete cut them some slack, they have to consider the long-reaching consequences of renaming "satoshis"...whatever will the altcoins think if they do? <<< course this is long ago resolved, http://fraudsters.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/#identifier_4_47551

22:05:30 assbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:05:52 mircea_popescu: not entirely sure why the foundation derps think anyone asked them anything on the score, but then again... it's kinda what they do, isn't it.

22:34:37 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell pankkake lol yup, this is pretty much it http://trollscience.com/troll/view/8147

22:34:38 assbot: Infinite money! :: Troll Science

22:34:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:35:13 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell fluffypony doesn't this remind you of usagi? http://trollscience.com/troll/view/8117

22:35:13 assbot: No more expired Milk! :: Troll Science

22:35:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:40:16 TheNewDeal: bc,stats

22:40:20 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

22:40:22 gribble: Current Blocks: 306715 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1732 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 48 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 14691342334.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.12724

22:43:09 mike_c: !jd mpif

22:43:09 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.84862188 BTC; +0.45077444 BTC (+0.2630%) since last check 2h 17m 56s ago.

22:44:36 mike_c: whoops, somebody just dropped 60 btc on JD. there goes another startup.

22:46:51 bitcoinpete: looking good, TheNewDeal

22:48:32 TheNewDeal: for sure

22:50:11 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: mircea_popescu i found our term for 10'000 satoshi: satoshi's calf http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/cow_s_calf_1

22:50:12 assbot: Cow's calf is Cockney Rhyming Slang for 50 pence!

22:51:06 bitcoinpete: cow's calf is the only slang term for half a quid i could find

22:53:29 punkman: bitcoinpete: why don't we call it a moiety

22:54:41 moiety: please do! :D

22:54:43 bitcoinpete: punkman: that would be quite the honour

22:54:59 moiety: moiety means one half of a whole anyways

23:00:36 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> whoops, somebody just dropped 60 btc on JD. there goes another startup. << lmao

23:00:59 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete i recall it was discussed here back then, FabianB came up with an azn term

23:01:03 mircea_popescu: guxy or something

23:01:56 bitcoinpete: a ic

23:02:25 bitcoinpete: "So let’s recognize the world has changed a bit over the last two decades and call them for what they are. These aren’t startups - and most of the upside from investing in these companies comes before they even go public, not after the fact."

23:02:29 bitcoinpete: http://blog.louisgray.com/2014/06/the-myth-of-billion-dollar-startup.html

23:02:29 assbot:  louisgray.com: The Myth of the Billion Dollar Startup

23:02:49 bitcoinpete: speaking of d.btgo and d.bpay

23:03:20 mircea_popescu: course the problem here is mpex is kinda the billion dollar start-up

23:03:33 mircea_popescu: or at least was, before inept management and so forth killed half its value :D

23:04:26 punkman: mircea_popescu: when did mpex peak?

23:04:52 mircea_popescu: i think when btc was 1.2k

23:05:02 mircea_popescu: in dollar syou mean ?

23:05:07 punkman: in btc

23:05:47 punkman: never mind ;)

23:06:26 mircea_popescu: in btc it sorta fought for 1 like 3 or 4 times

23:07:00 punkman: about this time last year

23:07:37 bitcoinpete: 1 guxy/moiety/satoshi's calf, that is...

23:08:15 mod6: punkman: here's a chart: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/

23:08:16 assbot: S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha

23:08:21 bitcoinpete: "I have found that being nice builds your reputation. I have found that leaving money on the table, and being generous, pays dividends." << fred wilson

23:08:26 bitcoinpete: http://avc.com/2014/06/be-nice-or-leave/

23:08:27 assbot: Be Nice Or Leave AVC

23:08:53 mircea_popescu: what's avc again ?

23:09:05 mircea_popescu: i'd like to short that idiocy.

23:09:11 punkman: is a blog

23:09:12 mthreat: he's a VC from NYC.

23:09:55 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/fredwilson

23:09:56 assbot: Fred Wilson (fredwilson) auf Twitter

23:09:57 mircea_popescu: mthreat no i know who the guy is, just, avc didn't compute

23:10:12 mircea_popescu: but whatever, leave hius blog. i wasn't even there.

23:18:29 TheNewDeal: anyone know of the mpoe vwap of the entirety of 2013?

23:18:51 TheNewDeal: just curious

23:30:15 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFUKK6c_seY

23:30:15 assbot: Chet Baker "Summertime" - YouTube

23:35:50 TheNewDeal: can't believe someone put down 1.6 on BTC above 800 before july. 5 days ago would have had twice the timweight

23:36:00 bitcoinpete: saw that

23:36:04 bitcoinpete: bizarre

23:36:14 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/niccary/status/479241161568038912

23:36:15 assbot: Reddit asks. Reddit gets. /hashtag/sneakpeak?src=hash /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash iOS /Apple coming soon http://t.co/pmdlO4KAyb

23:36:23 bitcoinpete: as is cary's pandering

23:36:52 TheNewDeal: even stranger. Go look at the last 2 bets on bastille day

23:38:39 decimation: ;;later tell Mats_cd03 I apologize for logging - I had to get some sleep for an early morning. I generally check the logs within a few days, so it's still productive to write for the record.

23:38:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:38:47 bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal lol such weight

23:40:10 punkman: last 3 Yes bets on bastille bet are losers

23:42:14 decimation: re: wreckers - sounds like a good description of the environmental lobby to me. bring back RSFSR penal code article 58

23:44:16 TheNewDeal: wtf is going on blockchain.info

23:44:36 TheNewDeal: nvm must not refresh like I thought

23:44:53 asciilifeform: decimation: wreckers << brought up because of brits blaming russian agents for 'discounting our wonderful renewable energy potential'

23:46:44 bitcoinpete: off to the library...

23:49:18 decimation: yeah that's stupid. If I were Russia I would fund the environmentalists to protest sane solutions like nuclear fission and promote insane solutions like wind

23:49:49 decimation: supporting the losers who oppose the new pantheism of our elites would be dumb

23:50:15 asciilifeform: where do you imagine us/euro enviro-whiners came from

23:50:44 decimation: hehe yeah exactly. And the wreckers (kulaks, rednecks, red-staters, etc) are all the same 'round the world