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Transcript for 19-08-2014, 573 lines:

00:01:10 ben_vulpes: its the simple things in life

00:09:02 Duffer1: ;;seen dexX7

00:09:02 gribble: dexX7 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <dexX7> i think i can up myself

00:17:36 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0GRV484.txt )

00:17:36 ben_vulpes: !b 2

00:23:11 ben_vulpes: i think vexual has a higher bash score than i

00:23:19 ben_vulpes: i'm not even as funny as a markov chain

00:28:24 BingoBoingo: Vexual is often bashable, often not for his own uttering but for those of others that surround his.

00:33:39 ben_vulpes: it's all in the context

00:47:49 decimation: mircea_popescu: minor nitpick - I don't think USG employees get dental actually: http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/4587 "Dental and Vision benefits are available to eligible Federal and Postal employees, retirees, and their eligible family members on an enrollee-pay-all basis."

00:47:50 assbot: Benefits.gov - Federal Employee Dental and Vision Insurance Program (FEDVIP)

00:57:44 RagnarDanneskjol: its still highly subsidized

01:05:05 decimation: I think health benefits are, but dental and vision are not

01:05:13 decimation: although I think they pay pre-tax money

01:05:34 decimation: I guess if by "subsidized" you mean "group purchase price" then yeah

01:07:34 RagnarDanneskjol: i don't know for certain, just have to use all these benefits comparison resources for work and it appears dental/vision is always heavily discounted for gummint folk. and yes, they get the pretax bennies too

01:11:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14301 @ 0.00070814 = 10.1271 BTC [+]

01:11:46 asciilifeform: u.s. civil service folks get benefits package similar to that in any large firm

01:11:57 asciilifeform: proper employees, that is. contractors get zip.

01:11:58 ben_vulpes: plus motherland satisderption

01:12:19 asciilifeform: lol

01:13:25 decimation: asciilifeform: contractors get what their employers offer; generally "getting zip" means buy insurance on your own dime

01:13:59 asciilifeform: decimation: 'insurance on your own dime' generally means something like zip - no group discount

01:15:11 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that used to be true but these days with obamacare it might be about the same as everyone else, depending on the details

01:15:15 asciilifeform: 'contractor' here means actual contractor, vs. proper full time employees of private firms who bid on federal contracts

01:16:20 decimation: my understanding is that usg pretends that 'contractors' are replacable parts, billable hours are based on 'years of experience and education'

01:17:01 asciilifeform: even today, buying the kind of insurance available for a token fee to civil service folks or employees of large concerns - costs 1-2k usd / month if you do it 'as a human'

01:18:22 decimation: yeah I would buy that. traditionally 'contractors' lard their billable rates to compensate for this burden

01:19:00 asciilifeform: most of the contractors are hired for a fixed salary, agreed on before-hand, as if they were normal employees

01:19:30 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/08/how-facebook-might-fix-its-trivial-viral-content-glut/

01:19:31 assbot: Facebooks route to becoming a reassurance machine | Ars Technica

01:19:46 asciilifeform: (rather than paid 'piecework', like the customary meaning of 'contractor' in, e.g., the construction trades)

01:20:30 decimation: well, it probably depends on the 'traditional business culture' of the particular branch of government the contractor 'agrees' with

01:20:43 decimation: seems like every piece of usg does things differently

01:20:53 *: asciilifeform is only familiar with the particular bureaucracy where he once worked

01:21:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/08/18_nothing-beats-reading-the-source-boto-and-s3-and-multiple-arity-edition.html

01:21:50 decimation: asciilifeform: what do you use to sort and store your electronics parts? standard little plastic bins?

01:21:53 *: asciilifeform did ~3 yrs of this type of contracting. a real laugh. didn't even have paid time off.

01:22:09 asciilifeform: decimation: generally, the containers they ship in.

01:22:16 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i didn't make this bedrock, i just drill through it

01:22:39 decimation: I suspect most actual work at usg is done by contractors anyway

01:22:54 ben_vulpes: decimation: holds true for lotsa places

01:22:58 TheNewDeal: quite true

01:22:59 decimation: if they work for less than a 'living wage', then they are essentially donating their life to usg

01:23:07 decimation: same goes to employees, etc

01:23:17 asciilifeform: on account of the mundane fact that - they are cheaper.

01:23:38 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: cheaper on a dollars/shit done metric maybe - not dollars/hr

01:23:40 asciilifeform: and, unlike many civil service posts, are 'fired at will'

01:24:13 decimation: kinda like you can only rent a miner for more than its expected bitcoin mining return, I suspect most 'employees' of usg work for less than a 'living wage'

01:24:29 decimation: ulterior motives abound, etc

01:24:44 asciilifeform: other little 'secret' - with the exception of 'secret' agencies, a contractor need not be a u.s. citizen.

01:25:43 asciilifeform: of the roughly two dozen staff in my lab, there were, i think, at most two u.s. born folks at any given time.

01:25:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00070629 = 3.037 BTC [-]

01:28:25 ben_vulpes: http://shame.shithouse.tv/

01:28:29 ben_vulpes: (unrelated)

01:28:54 *: asciilifeform isn't sure where the notion of 'usg pays starvation wages' comes from.

01:29:32 asciilifeform: perhaps from academics who escape from usg research houses to private firms

01:29:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6185 @ 0.00118124 = 7.306 BTC [-] {12}

01:30:01 asciilifeform: but if you compare folks carrying on in exactly the same profession, the pay is similar

01:31:35 mike_c: ;;bc,stats

01:31:37 gribble: Current Blocks: 316366 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 145 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 13 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23619550874.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.71604

01:31:54 BingoBoingo: %d

01:31:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19063 @ 0.00070563 = 13.4514 BTC [-] {2}

01:31:56 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 188247.82 in 1907 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.98

01:32:09 mike_c: ;;calc 0.0236 * 1.1 * 1.1

01:32:10 gribble: 0.028556

01:33:27 asciilifeform: and the question of what precisely a 'living wage' might be, in bezzleworld, is a rather tricky one.

01:34:51 asciilifeform: depends, i suppose, on what you'd call 'living.'

01:36:55 mike_c: 23.6 * (1.1**9)

01:37:01 mike_c: ;;calc 23.6 * (1.1**9)

01:37:01 gribble: 55.6475655076

01:37:21 mike_c: hm.. http://bitbet.us/bet/990/bitcoin-difficulty-72b-on-or-before-christmas/

01:37:21 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty >= 72B on or before Christmas :: 2.29 B (30%) on Yes, 5.46 B (70%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 69`921 (100`000 to 2`000)

01:41:18 decimation: asciilifeform: I think it's true that whatever you define "living wage" in the bezzle-world, the number has been steadying going up over the years

01:41:51 *: asciilifeform doesn't know who could possibly disagree with this

01:42:36 decimation: part of the problem with usg employee wages is that congress has held them fixed for several years now I think

01:43:06 decimation: http://www.fedsmith.com/2013/07/26/will-feds-get-a-pay-raise-in-2014/

01:43:07 assbot: Will Feds Get a Pay Raise in 2014? : FedSmith.com

01:46:02 decimation: re: nsa cryptography: http://aviationweek.com/awin/faulty-aehf-slow-trajectory-orbit "It also experienced cost overruns and is late because of problems with unreliable parts that needed changing out and delays developing cryptographic keys from the National Security Agency. "

01:46:03 assbot: Faulty AEHF On Slow Trajectory To Orbit | AWIN content from Aviation Week

01:46:22 decimation: details unspecified

01:52:02 decimation: another amusing article on usg pay (with data) http://www.fedsmith.com/2014/02/17/replacing-the-general-schedule-some-facts/

01:52:03 assbot: Replacing The General Schedule: Some Facts : FedSmith.com

01:53:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00070815 = 8.1791 BTC [+] {2}

01:54:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00070597 = 6.8479 BTC [-]

01:57:02 decimation: duh - "The bottom line is that we have absolutely no idea if pay for Federal employees is consistent with private sector pay for a given type of job in a given location.The data is not there and it may not serve the interests of politicians to actually find out what the truth is.f"

02:01:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8747 @ 0.00070817 = 6.1944 BTC [+]

02:02:49 TheNewDeal: does anyone know of a good bitcoin network graph type generator

02:03:13 TheNewDeal: maybe like a wget of bitcoin addresses / transactions?

02:09:49 mike_c: like a chain of blocks containing addresses & transaction data?

02:10:24 TheNewDeal: too lazy

02:10:26 TheNewDeal: like a visual map

02:10:57 mike_c: blockchain.info has a clickable thing ifyou're looking follow certain txs

02:11:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39492 @ 0.00070831 = 27.9726 BTC [+] {4}

02:13:28 TheNewDeal: how does their taint analysis work? maybe that's something kind of like what I'm looking for. Some 2nd and 3rd level addresses that have bumped into contact with a particular address

02:13:53 BingoBoingo: Taint analysis doesn't work

02:13:54 mike_c: well, that's what it is.

02:14:21 mike_c: BingoBoingo: doesn't work like is inaccurate? or just that it's a bad idea to begin with.

02:14:24 TheNewDeal: please do expalin bb. I've read the fraudsters article before

02:15:16 BingoBoingo: It seems like a horribly ineffective way to track ownership of coins or their movement.

02:16:28 TheNewDeal: because?

02:16:49 TheNewDeal: I'm naive here - not sure how blockchain.info runs their taint

02:17:48 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Because of simply the wide variety of shit that gets done with coins.

02:20:25 TheNewDeal: there was an article posted here a while back (it's in the lawgs). It was 2 dudes, one of them for sure had an indian last name

02:20:46 TheNewDeal: they draw a map of transactions in it, and you can see a bunch of silk road addresses off on the side

02:21:18 TheNewDeal: they also claimed to have followed a few large addresses that attempted to bunch and split their coins (not necessarily mix)

02:22:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Taint analysis doesn't work << except when it does

02:22:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure

02:23:20 asciilifeform: if all you want to know is 'did the sr coins move' etc.

02:26:39 *: asciilifeform is still waiting for the first leak from the u.s. dept. of wherever-the-stoolie-reports-from-btc-exchanges go.

02:27:41 asciilifeform: blind 'taint' analysis is one thing, a list of 1mil names and deposit addrs is quite another.

02:27:50 BingoBoingo: Yeah

02:28:47 BingoBoingo: With the slightest bit of personal awareness of your own addresses though, plausible deniability becomes feasible.

02:30:07 asciilifeform: when did plausible deniability release anyone from gasenwagen?

02:30:24 asciilifeform: only objective re: the wagen - don't get in.

02:32:17 BingoBoingo: True

02:34:08 asciilifeform: weakest link in btc apparatus is still - the owner. esp. if he's hanging upside-down, waiting for the next whack with a thick telephone book.

02:34:20 asciilifeform: even the dumbest bureaucrat presumably understands this.

02:35:21 asciilifeform: the only possible pill against this situation is - to not end up in it.

02:36:45 *: asciilifeform like probably everyone else, contemplated the mathematical curio of a 'panic key' that irreversibly destroys coin (in a hypothetical 'btc 2.0' apparatus, naturally)

02:37:23 asciilifeform: essential attribute of such being that it cannot be determined to be what it is other than by being actually used in a broadcasted transaction.

02:37:32 asciilifeform: implementation - an exercise for alert reader.

02:51:03 decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10173645/Kremlin-returns-to-typewriters-to-avoid-computer-leaks.html << Russian bureaucrats know it is easier to squeeze humans than control bits

02:51:04 assbot: Kremlin returns to typewriters to avoid computer leaks - Telegraph

03:09:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5211 @ 0.00070749 = 3.6867 BTC [-]

03:25:06 TheNewDeal: methinks your yield is going a lot higher this month http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/

03:25:06 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 189.09 B (14%) on No | closing in 5 months 4 weeks | weight: 53`621 (100`000 to 1)

03:35:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/18/a-crude-map-of-missouri-because-where-is-ferguson-anyway/

03:45:06 asciilifeform: decimation: typewriters are trivially snooped via ordinary acoustic bug.

03:45:25 asciilifeform: (don't believe? try it yourself. each key has a detectably-different sound.)

03:45:57 asciilifeform: given the small quantities of the machines bought, it seems likely that each will inhabit a separate room. precisely the best circumstances for such a bug.

03:46:29 decimation: yeah I believe. every security decision is full of trade-offs

03:46:57 asciilifeform: what we're seeing is not love of the typewriter, but a desperate flight from wintel.

03:47:19 asciilifeform: like the doomed office plankton jumping from a burning skyscraper, they don't much care where they land.

03:47:50 decimation: http://www.zdnet.com/after-a-10-year-linux-migration-munich-considers-switching-back-to-windows-and-office-7000032714/

03:47:52 assbot: After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office | ZDNet

03:49:24 decimation: the mind reels. one hope is that as the 14-nm process seems to dribble production, the world will have time to step back and actually do something useful with the silicon

04:06:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 322 @ 0.00260683 = 0.8394 BTC [-] {6}

04:16:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17279 @ 0.00070644 = 12.2066 BTC [-] {2}

04:29:42 BingoBoingo: !up diatonic

04:29:47 BingoBoingo: !up shovel_boss

04:30:05 BingoBoingo: !up Guest43995

04:30:11 BingoBoingo: !up aegis

04:31:57 TheNewDeal: shovel boss!

04:55:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29266666 = 0.878 BTC [+] {3}

04:55:47 TheNewDeal: !up usagi

04:55:53 usagi: Hi thanks~

04:55:58 TheNewDeal: 30 minutes, we'll see about that assbot

04:56:28 usagi: TheNewDeal yesterday you said I told you I was insuring people (kakobrekla) against glbse defaults. I didn't say that, kako's contract was for pirate

04:56:43 usagi: But a lot of the contracts had NDA's at the customer's request so I don't usually talk about particulars

04:56:49 TheNewDeal: not only that, anduck said it today as well

04:57:11 usagi: Anduck's contract was separate from kakobreklas. I think you can understand that.

04:57:18 usagi: Do you run a business in the community, TND?

04:58:40 usagi: Or are you just watching :)

04:58:44 TheNewDeal: yes, it's called Don't Feed the Scammers

04:58:50 TheNewDeal: it's doing smashingly well

04:58:52 usagi: Ahh, just an investor I see

04:59:27 TheNewDeal: why do you ask?

04:59:55 usagi: Dunno, looking for investment options I guess

05:00:10 usagi: There isn't much available right now. I've been chatting with you recently. thought I'd ask

05:00:16 TheNewDeal: i've got a good offer for you

05:01:34 usagi: Yes?

05:01:56 TheNewDeal: it's called purchasing my bitbets

05:02:25 usagi: Yeah I made a little on bitbet, I should probably take a look at that site again soon

05:02:39 usagi: There are some issues with the site tho, which discourage me from betting

05:03:02 TheNewDeal: your choice

05:03:04 TheNewDeal: regardless

05:03:17 TheNewDeal: I'm in the business of scouting out good bets and reselling them

05:03:27 usagi: Oh? That sounds interesting

05:03:38 usagi: Actually I'll go take a look at the site now

05:03:41 usagi: it's been a while

05:04:35 TheNewDeal: site hasn't change much, merely the bets

05:05:13 usagi: The berkshire bet does not inspire confidence :p

05:05:17 usagi: But I'm still looking

05:06:53 usagi: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ This bet pays about 1.4% per month, and if im wrong, I still win

05:06:53 assbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (11%) on Yes, 595.49 B (89%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 day| weight: 25`962 (100`000 to 1)

05:06:55 TheNewDeal: doesn't inspire confidence? how so

05:07:08 usagi: TheNewDeal; it contains subjective terms open to post-interpretation

05:07:43 usagi: might toss something on the $10k bet

05:07:55 TheNewDeal: there's a 5k bet as well

05:08:07 TheNewDeal: no includes default of btc e

05:08:16 usagi: I should have been looking at that bet 8 months ago heh

05:08:31 usagi: But it would have had to have a much larger payout, this might be the sweet spot for the $10k bet

05:10:10 TheNewDeal: the thing about the 10k bet is

05:10:21 TheNewDeal: still very profitable for a high btc individual to bet as well

05:11:07 TheNewDeal: for instance, someone with 100 btc could reap a 3.8 % return

05:56:46 Vexual: ;;goxlag

05:56:46 gribble: Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command.

05:56:56 *: Vexual 9 months

05:58:17 RagnarDanneskjol: ha - keep refreshing, it might come back

06:09:46 Vexual: kenilworth did their emi

06:12:10 Vexual: not sure if cause of efect, but they also renewed their exploration permits

06:13:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00070521 = 12.3412 BTC [-] {2}

06:13:46 Vexual: and...if.. they used the btc right, theres money left to drill

06:39:36 Vexual: kenilworth is actually looking better than it ever haz

06:40:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [-]

06:44:12 Vexual: although, my tote had em at a pretty fucking longshot

06:45:23 fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/terrahash-shuts-down-bitcoin-miners-upset-with-refund/

06:45:23 assbot: TerraHash shuts down, bitcoin miners upset with 50% refund

06:47:48 Vexual: owing paypal:bitcoin fail

06:54:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00070511 = 13.9612 BTC [-]

06:58:33 BingoBoingo: http://www.coindesk.com/margin-trading-crash-price-bitcoin/ << lulzy

06:58:34 assbot: Did Margin Trading Crash the Price of Bitcoin?

07:02:37 Vexual: cfderp

07:03:17 Vexual: cfdita

07:05:17 Vexual: whats next?

07:35:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5300 @ 0.00101484 = 5.3787 BTC [-] {18}

07:36:21 assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5

07:37:53 BingoBoingo: !up usagi

07:38:26 usagi: I didn't know the terrahash failure was so spectacular

07:38:34 usagi: I guess terra is finally dead then.

07:38:43 usagi: get it? deadterra? yuk yuk

07:38:48 BingoBoingo: lol

07:38:59 Vexual: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvQ0W-NIQAQGvEJ.jpg

07:39:13 usagi: I warned him about getting in with the wrong crowd. Guess he didn't know who his friends were

07:44:46 ben_vulpes: Vexual ping

07:45:13 pankkake: Vexual bong

07:46:47 Vexual: ohai

07:47:32 ben_vulpes: Vexual: what's that pic from?

07:47:56 Vexual: its from twitter :)

07:48:13 Vexual: its a girl going to or from mt sinai or whatevr is called

07:55:02 ben_vulpes: cutie id like to meat

07:57:23 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/203-konstantin-ryabitsev/784544-linux-kernel-git-repositories-add-2-factor-authentication

07:57:25 assbot: Linux Kernel Git Repositories Add 2-Factor Authentication | Linux.com

08:02:38 Vexual: the one in persia

08:08:34 Vexual: !up usagi

08:10:32 Vexual: twoup

08:29:40 Vexual: etymlogical root of "the pennies drop"

08:29:54 Vexual: also "what goes up must come down"

08:31:45 xmj: alright, so I found this:

08:31:55 xmj: http://anonhq.com/is-monsanto-the-new-cannabis-supplier-in-town/

08:31:56 assbot: Is Monsanto The New Cannabis Supplier In Town? AnonHQ

08:32:20 xmj: Soon we'll have GMO cannabis on the cheap, all the hipsters and Nassim Taleb will bitch about it

08:32:27 xmj: and I'll chucklingly watch.

08:33:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20800 @ 0.0000525 = 1.092 BTC [+]

08:39:32 RagnarDanneskjol: lol

08:41:11 Vexual: roundup resistant ganja? i think someones trolling

08:42:38 Vexual: perhaps they will change their modus operendi and make a version that grows in africa easily without pesticides

08:43:14 Vexual: wait...

08:46:28 Vexual: agent orange resistant coca perhaps?

08:57:36 xmj: Vexual: sickness-defying GMO'd opium potty

08:57:48 Vexual: potty?

08:57:56 xmj: whatever the plant you make opium from

08:58:05 xmj: eh poppy

08:58:11 Vexual: ah

08:58:13 Naphex: poppy seeds?

08:58:14 Naphex: ;o

09:00:37 Vexual: its prolly hard to usefully gm an o where the o has been selectively bred for so many generations, unless you include a new selection criteria

09:01:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6836 @ 0.0007054 = 4.8221 BTC [+]

09:02:15 Vexual: theyve made high yeilding maize and shit

09:03:03 Vexual: and monsanto has prolly fed a lot of people

09:04:12 Vexual: but mapping genomes is about as advanced as blockchain.info taint analysis

09:07:03 Vexual: just a little bit shitter than their mixing service

09:10:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 371 @ 0.00362281 = 1.3441 BTC [-] {6}

09:18:14 pankkake: ;;ticker --market bcent --currency eur

09:18:16 gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 370.0, Best ask: 373.99999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99999, Last trade: 370.0, 24 hour volume: 150.20365524, 24 hour low: 340.0, 24 hour high: 370.0, 24 hour vwap: 354.3870935

09:21:28 xmj: Vexual: Monsanto strikes the hypocritical white progressives as bad due to their feeding people.

09:21:43 xmj: it's an example of market forces at work without redistribution; of course they don't like that.

09:24:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11138 @ 0.000053 = 0.5903 BTC [+]

09:26:10 Vexual: i think you are right, but many of the biggest ethical questions arise where dna meets patent law

09:26:30 Vexual: and that is a whole other level

09:35:23 Vexual: personally, i prefer a popescuist view; he who can send owns

09:38:35 Vexual: ;;timetonext

09:38:36 gribble: 32832.0

09:38:55 Vexual: ;;calc 32832/360

09:38:55 gribble: 91.2

09:39:58 Vexual: ;;estimate

09:39:59 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 23761047900.1 based on data since last change | 25481337320.0 based on data for last three days

09:41:38 Vexual: ;;ticker

09:41:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 487.19, Best ask: 488.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.81000, Last trade: 487.19, 24 hour volume: 31400.25076534, 24 hour low: 442.0, 24 hour high: 493.0, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578

09:47:56 RagnarDanneskjol: https://helda.helsinki.fi/handle/10138/135742

09:47:57 assbot: Essays in quantitative analysis of the effects of market imperfections on asset returns

09:53:14 Vexual: care to offer a quick dissertation Ragnar?

09:57:41 RagnarDanneskjol: be moar vigilant with teh monies

09:58:18 Vexual: be moar vincent nega

09:58:28 RagnarDanneskjol: ha

10:01:10 Vexual: example

10:03:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45177 @ 0.00070526 = 31.8615 BTC [-] {6}

10:04:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2023 @ 0.00070455 = 1.4253 BTC [-]

10:08:26 Vexual: did you read it rygar?

10:08:59 RagnarDanneskjol: "Financial assets prices are not always in perfect equi- librium and deviate from their fundamental values. The dramatic rise and fall of the stock market raises concern about the rationality of sudden changes in stock valu- ations. The mispricing of assets contributes to financial crises, which can damage the overall economy. This dissertation analyses the effect of market imperfections

10:08:59 RagnarDanneskjol: at different time horizons." - I only got through the first essay. " Financial assets prices are not always in perfect equi- librium and deviate from their fundamental values. The dramatic rise and fall of the stock market raises concern about the rationality of sudden changes in stock valu- ations. The mispricing of assets contributes to financial crises, which can damage the overall

10:08:59 RagnarDanneskjol: economy. This dissertation analyses the effect of market imperfections at different time horizons.""

10:11:40 RagnarDanneskjol: its relatively comprehensible cf. to a lot of academic financial dissertations I come across. I learn more about bitcoin from these sources than i would any "analyst" in the btc space

10:12:53 Vexual: what of me?

10:13:15 Vexual: if i might

10:13:51 RagnarDanneskjol: pls clarify

10:14:34 Vexual: well i tought i might give an example of some concepts i garner from that collectionfor your further thought

10:15:40 RagnarDanneskjol: go right ahead, I just lurk here

10:18:07 Vexual: i was hoping this analysis might be interactive

10:19:27 Naphex: :))

10:19:29 RagnarDanneskjol: afraid I cant be too interactive tonight - I'm kinda in the middle of a few things and terribly behind schedule

10:19:42 Vexual: ive only read the abstract

10:23:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 150 @ 0.012715 = 1.9073 BTC [-] {2}

10:24:22 Vexual: raiding france for mayonnaise?

10:25:04 Vexual: its egg and vinegar

10:26:10 Vexual: Hi duffer

10:29:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1961 @ 0.00081 = 1.5884 BTC [+] {2}

10:29:51 Duffer1: oh hey man

10:30:08 Duffer1: my stomach isn't a basketball anymore

10:31:47 Vexual: i assume thats a good thing

10:32:02 Duffer1: appendectomy last week, i was pretty swollen

10:32:12 Vexual: did you die?

10:32:39 Duffer1: nope, i got very lucky, it ruptured, but didn't get infected

10:32:48 Vexual: fuck

10:33:16 Vexual: you must gave some pain tolerence to burst

10:34:57 Vexual: can i kick you in the nuts?

10:35:25 Duffer1: it was quite painful, and i refused pain meds until the ct scan results came back and the dr said "your appendix is all messed up, we're transfering you to a different hospital, ambulance is en route, take pain meds now"

10:35:53 Vexual: and youre all like meah wait till i finish this blunt

10:36:00 Duffer1: ha

10:40:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 163 @ 0.00375092 = 0.6114 BTC [+] {4}

10:44:21 Vexual: can't keep a good man down

10:48:27 Duffer1: ^.^

10:48:46 Vexual: its good youre not dead

10:49:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.02523161 = 0.6308 BTC [-]

10:51:10 Duffer1: i appreciate that, i'm glad i'm not dead too :)

12:01:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00070493 = 11.1026 BTC [+] {2}

12:37:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3078 @ 0.00109954 = 3.3844 BTC [+] {4}

12:38:32 nubbins`: hi

12:39:52 jurov: hi nubbins`

12:42:58 nubbins`: i see charlie shrem is selling a lot of casascius coins on the forums these days

12:47:17 nubbins`: i find myself questioning the wisdom of buying them :0

12:49:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.0127999 = 0.5504 BTC [+]

12:55:08 thestringpuller: nubbins`: you around for a bit?

12:55:11 thestringpuller: what do you charge for shirts?

12:55:15 thestringpuller: setup fee + etc.

12:58:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5046 BTC [-]

13:05:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00070455 = 2.7477 BTC [-]

13:07:32 TomServo: ;;later tell ben_vulpes The OTC link on your page still points to benkay's OTC profile.

13:07:32 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:12:42 TomServo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski On "Who are we? Not nationals." footnote i.: s/self-refertiality/self-referentiality

13:12:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:38:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00070454 = 7.8204 BTC [-] {2}

13:41:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00070633 = 13.279 BTC [+] {2}

13:47:47 jurov: http://www.wired.com/2014/08/gyroscope-listening-hack/ ha

13:47:49 assbot: The Gyroscopes in Your Phone Could Let Apps Eavesdrop on Conversations | Threat Level | WIRED

13:50:30 []bot: Bet placed: 1.78092363 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 672.27919187 BTC. Current weight: 25,860.

13:55:41 []bot: Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 682.27919187 BTC. Current weight: 25,859.

13:59:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.00467089 = 1.1677 BTC [+] {5}

14:00:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00269829 = 0.5666 BTC [-] {4}

15:09:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10560 @ 0.00070641 = 7.4597 BTC [+] {2}

15:12:01 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

15:12:02 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.42, Best ask: 486.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.56000, Last trade: 487.36, 24 hour volume: 19861.58716992, 24 hour low: 453.01, 24 hour high: 493.0, 24 hour vwap: 472.817569834

15:12:13 mircea_popescu: dude i leave for a day and where is the two digit bitcoin!

15:12:32 mike_c: i think the sale is almost over

15:20:25 jurov: hi mircea

15:21:07 jurov: btw i thought the DERP is not finished yet as F.DERP is not listed and only two derivatives

15:21:18 jurov: so i did no advertising yet

15:21:24 jurov: what's the situation there?

15:22:30 mircea_popescu: jurov well sitll planning to have it online this month.

15:23:28 mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah i imagine tomorrow will be teh day of mourning for teh would be manipulateurs.

15:30:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00070794 = 1.2389 BTC [+]

15:36:33 nubbins`: thestringpuller it's around $60-65 before i'll even pick up a squeegee

15:43:27 thestringpuller: nubbins`: can you elaborate?

15:43:32 thestringpuller: like 60-65 per shirt?

15:43:37 thestringpuller: or 60-65 one time fee?

15:43:42 nubbins`: oh, no, 60-65 for shirt number one

15:43:54 thestringpuller: okay then what is it per shirt after that?

15:44:18 nubbins`: depends on a few factors, anywhere from 6-12-ish

15:45:12 nubbins`: type of shirt, total quantity, number of colors, whether i think you'll be a repeat customer, whether you've ever hit on my wife, whether the artwork is ready, etc

15:51:32 novusordo: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/whatever-happened-to-bitcoin-hint-nothing-good-cm381082

15:51:32 assbot: Whatever happened to Bitcoin? (Hint: nothing good) - NASDAQ.com

15:54:44 mike_c: ^ don't tell whoever added 37 PH/s over the last two weeks. they'll be pissed.

15:55:30 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

15:55:31 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 477.7, Best ask: 479.96, Bid-ask spread: 2.26000, Last trade: 480.0, 24 hour volume: 20189.94635126, 24 hour low: 453.01, 24 hour high: 493.0, 24 hour vwap: 473.16123994

15:55:53 ben_vulpes: TomServo: got it, thanks

16:00:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 12.14387328 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1056 satoshi per share

16:03:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79894304 BTC to 14`116 shares, 12744 satoshi per share

16:07:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00070439 = 1.5497 BTC [-]

16:24:57 thestringpuller: mike_c novusordo : the comments in that article is priceless

16:25:10 thestringpuller: "I wish I had a bitcoin for every one of these bitcoins is dead articles I've read over the past year and a half."

16:25:15 thestringpuller: wait i do!

16:25:17 thestringpuller: XD

16:25:23 mike_c: heh

16:26:00 TheNewDeal: damn

16:26:03 TheNewDeal: that's a lot of bitcoin

16:26:26 thestringpuller: or i haven't read a lot of bitcoin is dead articles

16:27:02 TheNewDeal: ahhh true

16:29:59 thestringpuller: ;;gpginfo

16:30:00 gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.

16:30:05 thestringpuller: ;;keyinfo

16:30:05 gribble: Error: "keyinfo" is not a valid command.

16:30:08 thestringpuller: ;;gpg

16:30:08 gribble: Error: "gpg" is not a valid command.

16:30:20 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust thestringpuller

16:30:20 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 10 via 10 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 (1 more message)

16:32:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11001 @ 0.00070424 = 7.7473 BTC [-]

16:34:47 nubbins`: ;;ident

16:34:47 gribble: Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None

16:36:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37698 @ 0.0007035 = 26.5205 BTC [-] {4}

16:37:22 thestringpuller: nubbins`: was trying to find a direct link to my key

16:37:33 pankkake: https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/2dxuqw/be_careful_seals_users_coinbase_has_blocked_me/

16:37:34 assbot: Be Careful Seals Users: Coinbase has blocked me because of gambling (x-post from /r/sealswithclubs) : poker

16:38:02 thestringpuller: nubbins`: whether you've ever hit my wife << ??? this has happened?!?!?

16:40:02 thestringpuller: ;;ident

16:40:02 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

16:40:35 thestringpuller: ;;eregister

16:40:36 gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase (1 more message)

16:40:39 thestringpuller: ^-- tylander

16:40:57 thestringpuller: ;;more

16:40:57 gribble: will expire in 10 minutes.

16:43:02 thestringpuller: ;;ls

16:43:02 gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?

16:43:09 thestringpuller: ;;google something something darkside

16:43:10 gribble: Something, Something, Something, Dark Side - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something,_Something,_Something,_Dark_Side; Family guy Emperor something something..... - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHiUitciuJ8; "Family Guy" Something, Something, Something, Dark Side (TV ...: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1329665/

16:43:12 thestringpuller: etc

16:45:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 550 @ 0.00104055 = 0.5723 BTC [+]

16:47:01 thestringpuller: !up tylander

16:47:08 tylander: ;;eregister nick D40DAE000726DA10

16:47:09 gribble: Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.

16:47:18 tylander: ;;eregister tylander D40DAE000726DA10

16:47:21 gribble: Request successful for user tylander, hostmask tylander!~tylander@71-14-6-178.static.gwnt.ga.charter.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/D40DAE000726DA10

16:47:36 TheNewDeal: nice

16:50:16 tylander: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:19d3db6508f756400711a3a327477025318798cdec657a0889201262

16:50:17 gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user tylander with key D40DAE000726DA10

16:50:46 thestringpuller: ;;rate tylander 4 real life coworker; greatest intern alive

16:50:47 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user tylander has been recorded.

16:51:19 kakobrekla: !s armory phone home

16:51:19 assbot: 1 results for 'armory phone home' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=armory+phone+home

16:52:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00070471 = 11.0639 BTC [+] {2}

16:53:01 tylander: !up

16:53:16 tylander: !up tylander

16:53:25 kakobrekla: you are as high as it goes.

16:53:27 thestringpuller: tylander /msg assbot !up

16:53:33 thestringpuller: he's on the 30 minute timer

16:53:35 thestringpuller: @ kakobrekla

16:56:05 TheNewDeal: I wish I was that high

17:04:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2547 @ 0.00070473 = 1.7949 BTC [+]

17:26:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5017 @ 0.00070593 = 3.5417 BTC [+]

17:47:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00070565 = 0.9879 BTC [-]

17:55:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.00464219 = 1.1605 BTC [-] {4}

18:03:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 220 @ 0.00468908 = 1.0316 BTC [+] {2}

18:05:59 nubbins`: thestringpuller: hit *on* my wife.

18:06:15 nubbins`: but, now that i think of it, there's also a hefty surcharge if you've ever hit my wife

18:06:30 thestringpuller: Oh. Is the "hit on my wife" fee waived for mircea_popescu ?

18:06:31 nubbins`: not too many people in that particular category tho

18:06:42 nubbins`: thestringpuller, mp has not yet hit on my wife

18:06:52 thestringpuller: lol

18:10:35 nubbins`: but anyway, yeah, sliding scale

18:10:46 nubbins`: more info = more useful quote

18:11:01 thestringpuller: one color, black shirt, 6-12 shirts

18:11:06 thestringpuller: ~ medium

18:11:19 thestringpuller: graphic is done just need "printer's specs"

18:12:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8897 @ 0.00070565 = 6.2782 BTC [-]

18:13:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 137 @ 0.01299801 = 1.7807 BTC [+] {8}

18:15:15 nubbins`: 6 @ $18ea, 12 @ $13ea

18:15:23 nubbins`: cheap gildan shirts, $2 less

18:16:07 nubbins`: american apparels, $1.50 more

18:16:19 nubbins`: shipping not included :D

18:16:33 TheNewDeal: slanging some t-shirts nubbins` ?

18:16:42 nubbins`: prolly not, but who knows :D

18:16:55 thestringpuller: very possibly

18:17:01 thestringpuller: okay so 50 for setup fees

18:17:06 thestringpuller: is that per screen?

18:17:23 nubbins`: eh, not exactly. setup involves a few different things

18:17:37 nubbins`: extra colors are a flat $15 screen burning fee plus $0.85 per shirt

18:18:31 thestringpuller: okay so the first shirt it always 65?

18:18:39 thestringpuller: is*

18:18:45 nubbins`: always and forever

18:18:48 thestringpuller: or is that a deposit?

18:18:53 nubbins`: total

18:18:57 thestringpuller: first shirt ever? or first shirt for that line

18:19:04 nubbins`: i uh

18:19:08 nubbins`: you're making this so complicated :D

18:19:21 thestringpuller: :D dats meeee

18:19:26 thestringpuller: I gots lotsa questions

18:19:37 nubbins`: no kidding :D

18:19:40 TheNewDeal: do you have any finished products? can I see an example

18:19:50 nubbins`: nobody wants just one shirt, so it's kind of silly to give you prices based on that

18:20:01 nubbins`: much more sensible to quote for a reasonably-sized order

18:20:02 TheNewDeal: 65$ for one shirt?!!? what kind of scam is this?!!?

18:20:08 thestringpuller: LOL

18:20:12 nubbins`: TheNewDeal, facebook.com/pinkeye, pinkeyeprints.com, etc

18:20:24 thestringpuller: i'm trying to see if it's 65 + 13 * (shirt number)

18:20:26 nubbins`: TheNewDeal: call a local screenprint shop, ask for one shirt, see what they say

18:20:34 thestringpuller: or 13 * shirt number + setup fee + ink fees

18:20:34 thestringpuller: etc

18:20:41 thestringpuller: just tryin to understand the fee schedule

18:21:58 BingoBoingo: %p

18:22:00 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1446.16 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.51 TH/s

18:22:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00070583 = 10.658 BTC [+] {2}

18:22:32 TheNewDeal: I only see books and zines

18:22:34 nubbins`: 50+(15*C)+(N*7)+(N*0.85*C) where C is number of colors/prints and N is number of shirts

18:22:52 nubbins`: TheNewDeal: FB has more pictures of custom shirts etc

18:22:57 TheNewDeal: there we go

18:23:00 BingoBoingo: %d

18:23:03 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 198333.42 in 1890 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.44

18:23:54 thestringpuller: nubbins`: cool!

18:24:39 thestringpuller: nubbins`: what is shipping ~ 15?

18:25:24 nubbins`: not sure offhand, depends on size of order

18:27:48 nubbins`: 5-10 per shirt maybe

18:28:12 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Apple stock to close at over $100 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/956/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 96(Y):4(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.5013 BTC. Current weight: 68,215.

18:28:18 thestringpuller: very possibly doable

18:28:28 thestringpuller: we'll try you out for a set of shirts see if we can move it

18:29:40 nubbins`: 50% up-front, remainder + shipping due on delivery.. you know where to find me :D

18:31:05 thestringpuller: :D nubbins` is such a nice artist

18:32:43 nubbins`: oh you

18:39:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28007 = 0.8402 BTC [-] {3}

18:41:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.27152519 = 4.3444 BTC [-] {6}

18:56:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27050118 = 0.541 BTC [-]

18:58:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.27 = 2.43 BTC [-]

19:03:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.27000999 = 2.7001 BTC [-] {3}

19:10:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 65 @ 0.02523161 = 1.6401 BTC [-] {2}

19:12:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4523 @ 0.00070593 = 3.1929 BTC [+]

19:13:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.01291 = 0.5293 BTC [+] {2}

19:40:29 []bot: Bet placed: 1.4 BTC for Yes on "Apple stock to close at over $100 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/956/ Odds: 98(Y):2(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.9013 BTC. Current weight: 68,187.

19:44:46 TheNewDeal: last minute dive?

19:45:04 kakobrekla: ;;seen davout

19:45:04 gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 9 hours, 16 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <davout> ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791960 <<< interesting

19:45:07 TheNewDeal: I've been locked up in that damn apple bet for almost a month yet

19:55:59 fluffypony: davout has died?

19:59:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 38 @ 0.022 = 0.836 BTC

20:01:39 thestringpuller: wait davout is actually dead?

20:01:43 thestringpuller: oh

20:01:45 thestringpuller: figure of speech

20:03:31 fluffypony: lol

20:19:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19778 @ 0.00070476 = 13.9387 BTC [-] {4}

20:39:04 FabianB: so blockr has been aquired by coinbase

20:39:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7004 @ 0.00070341 = 4.9267 BTC [-]

20:55:39 fluffypony: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140817.png

20:55:46 fluffypony: FabianB: yesterday's news :-P

20:56:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 495 @ 0.001041 = 0.5153 BTC [+]

20:58:54 FabianB: heh

21:08:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00070291 = 7.8726 BTC [-]

22:22:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00070212 = 5.7925 BTC [-] {2}

22:32:43 TheNewDeal: liking that comic fluffypony

22:33:00 fluffypony: :)

22:35:55 asciilifeform: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/whatever-happened-to-bitcoin-hint-nothing-good-cm381082 (linked earlier) << pure gold. these folks are in 'tilt mode.'

22:35:56 assbot: Whatever happened to Bitcoin? (Hint: nothing good) - NASDAQ.com

22:40:26 TheNewDeal: What happened to the NASDAQ? Answer: it's being propped up on stilts

22:41:24 mircea_popescu: heh.

22:41:31 mircea_popescu: dats raycus

22:41:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0007019 = 2.3865 BTC [-] {2}

22:42:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.01255309 = 0.6277 BTC [-] {5}

22:46:13 mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << wouldja look at that, weekly active user count over avg last week for the first time in like half a year.

22:46:13 assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats

22:46:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11505 @ 0.00070144 = 8.0701 BTC [-]

22:47:25 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so you can only miss the chance to sell 10k 3 times or something? << that was going the other way.

22:47:45 kakobrekla: i kno.

22:48:29 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker.

22:48:29 gribble: Error: "ticker." is not a valid command.

22:48:33 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

22:48:34 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 487.96, Best ask: 488.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 488.4, 24 hour volume: 18059.81647100, 24 hour low: 453.01, 24 hour high: 493.98, 24 hour vwap: 479.000378688

22:48:54 mircea_popescu: the problem being that going the other way is a) unduly expensive and b) shockingly ineffectual.

22:49:18 mircea_popescu: but i guess i was giving the bright financial minds on the other side of the tug rope undue credit for being absolutely intelligent so as to know.

22:49:28 mircea_popescu: or mebbe some knew but the group as a whole got desperate enough.

22:49:35 mircea_popescu: i won't know for a while yet, so ah well.

22:51:23 TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << wouldja look at that, weekly active user count over avg last week for the first time in like half a year. <<< usagi has been firing up all his old names?

22:51:23 assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats

22:53:32 mircea_popescu: lol doubt it.

22:53:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00070291 = 4.6744 BTC [+]

22:55:45 TheNewDeal: so what are you saying about buying 10k? you only have a few chances to do it before the price skyrockets up or what?

23:01:16 ThickAsThieves: http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/08/tesla-motors-inc-accused-of-organized-crime/ lol, either these guys are running out of ways to make the price move... or Musk is an OG

23:01:17 assbot: Tesla Motors Inc Accused Of "Organized Crime"

23:01:50 fluffypony: he's South African, of course he's an OG

23:01:52 ThickAsThieves: lets use "quotes" on words for no reason

23:02:16 ThickAsThieves: i guess they might be quoting a person

23:07:34 asciilifeform: 'Lithium ion batteries blog up if they get wet or bumped.'

23:07:54 *: asciilifeform asks his batteries if they blog.

23:08:49 diana_coman: mircea_popescu got the skill level eulora prize too, here is proof and the address at the end, thank you http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/08/20/making-my-eulorian-cake-and-eating-it/

23:08:50 assbot: Making My Eulorian Cake and Eating It in Ossasepia

23:10:14 *: asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp why hatchet jobs are necessary against electromobiles - they do a fine job sucking on their own

23:14:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23464 @ 0.00070128 = 16.4548 BTC [-] {2}

23:20:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16722 @ 0.00070309 = 11.7571 BTC [+] {2}

23:24:31 fluffypony: http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/19/6044403/derp-research-partnership-launched-by-reddit-twitch-imgur-fark-stack-exchange

23:24:32 assbot: Reddit, Twitch, and Imgur have created a research partnership called DERP | The Verge

23:24:39 fluffypony: mircea_popescu should sue

23:49:02 thestringpuller: fluffypony: hahaha! of course he is OG.

23:50:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28912058 = 0.8674 BTC [+]

23:52:39 mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol

23:53:48 mircea_popescu: http://contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/#comment-4183 << now this is an interesting point.

23:53:49 assbot: Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

23:54:14 mircea_popescu: do we have any reason to suspect bitcoin will bring about by and large more prosperous societies in the sense of people affording better friends ?