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00:00:01 Adlai: what horde, i thought they were all lost in a tragic mining accident

00:00:02 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to mine to do block version.

00:00:10 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Who knows anymore

00:00:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00073054 = 28.4545 BTC [+] {4}

00:00:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: first 'i-suck-hearn-cock' block mined

00:00:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, the bitfinex + kraken thing is pretty memorable lol.

00:01:04 mircea_popescu: exactly what that guy told satoshi the plan's gonna be, back on the original list in 2009. "they'll invent fake btc, trade it and it will "go down".

00:01:09 BingoBoingo: !up EPiSKiNG-

00:01:29 asciilifeform: invent fake btc, trade - same algo as with metals

00:01:33 mircea_popescu: all the derps "buying" "cheap" bitcoin on the scams in question (bitfinex, kraken) remember : it's not yours until you send it to your offsite wallet.

00:01:37 Adlai: "fake btc" -_-

00:01:52 mircea_popescu: Adlai like mtgox btc./

00:01:56 Adlai: fake btc (unlike the real thing) exists solely in the mind of its bagholders

00:02:09 asciilifeform: entirely possible that sell flood of entirely genuine btc

00:02:12 Adlai: mtgox were semifake, you could trade them about

00:02:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah.

00:02:24 asciilifeform: n00bs collective pant pissing

00:02:27 asciilifeform: 'hearn finally killed'

00:02:30 Adlai: actually yah, and it'd be the best thing to ever happen to btc

00:02:34 asciilifeform: *killed us

00:02:42 mircea_popescu: lol right.

00:02:51 Adlai: (second to satoshi spending directly to mpex)

00:03:02 mircea_popescu: how would that be great ? that'd be miserable.

00:03:04 Adlai: ((without creating an account))

00:03:16 asciilifeform: https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d

00:03:18 assbot: Bitcoin Block #370434 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jpwg9a )

00:03:42 Adlai: !rate asciilifeform -42 still uses blockchain.info

00:03:42 assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

00:03:55 asciilifeform: Adlai: what do you use ?

00:04:09 Adlai: webbtc.com (or blocktrail.com for unconfirmed)

00:04:19 Adlai: or better yet, a fucking node

00:04:28 trinque: Adlai seems to be using the Erdos method re: mathematics

00:04:36 asciilifeform: Adlai: your node puts txes in a graphical viewer thing ?

00:04:39 mircea_popescu: yeah since the tools alf dropped nodes are actually much more usable for ths

00:04:49 asciilifeform: ~could~ be usable

00:04:52 asciilifeform: if someone wrote a tool

00:04:58 asciilifeform: that ACTUALLY DOES WHAT bci does

00:05:01 BingoBoingo: !b 4

00:05:02 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2EP77FW.txt )

00:05:07 asciilifeform: and not 'aha yes equivalent'

00:05:11 mircea_popescu: just dumping the block

00:05:15 BingoBoingo: bci still runs version 7-ish

00:05:18 Adlai: asciilifeform: please elaborate on exactly which "graphical viewer thing" bci does that no other explorer does

00:05:27 Adlai: BingoBoingo: false, they run version j-ish

00:05:32 trinque: stamp just popped back up to 234

00:05:51 BingoBoingo: sure?

00:05:55 asciilifeform: Adlai: for one thing, not being slow as fuck

00:06:00 asciilifeform: (like both of the items you linked)

00:06:01 mircea_popescu: trinque i for one am very curious how bitfinex is going to settle all the buyers.

00:06:03 BingoBoingo: Anyways Adlai I thought you were J-ish

00:06:10 mircea_popescu: kraken not so much, nobody uses the scammy pos

00:06:19 mircea_popescu: but somehow a buncha derps failed to read the memo re bitfinex.

00:06:20 asciilifeform: Adlai: for another thing, ACTUALLY SHOWING THE FUCKING VERSION

00:06:25 Adlai: asciilifeform: tradeblock.com/blockchain

00:06:26 asciilifeform: Adlai: 'webbtc.com' does NOT

00:06:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the version is in the block as spit out, what gfx do you need ?

00:06:45 Adlai: webbtc.com uses ruby, it sucks, i know, i like them because they run scripts on demand

00:06:59 asciilifeform: Adlai: where is the version !!

00:07:07 Adlai: tx? block? node?

00:07:13 asciilifeform: Adlai: blokc.

00:07:14 mircea_popescu: block we're discussing

00:07:18 asciilifeform: and i don't even see a list of blocks

00:07:38 asciilifeform: srsly this is ~loathesome~ habit of open source folks, linking to a gimp when i need to take a photoshit

00:07:44 asciilifeform: it is NOT THE SAME !!1111

00:07:49 asciilifeform: don't lie and say 'same'.

00:07:55 trinque: but how are we to in-group signal?

00:08:00 asciilifeform: signal with farts.

00:08:06 mircea_popescu: wait wut ?!

00:08:18 Adlai: wow, webbtc really is slow right now

00:08:42 asciilifeform: and yes, bci is a loathesome usg-operated item, sure.

00:09:04 asciilifeform: but it won't die on account of anyone pretending that xyz five-minutes-of-perl piece of shit is 'equal'

00:09:38 *: Adlai has yet to find an explorer, other than local-node-and-neurons, that provides http://webbtc.com/script/3617d2d6991ee2684eee12fca16fe041cde7eaceab527b855c014dbdae7a7731:0

00:09:39 assbot: Bitcoin BlockBrowser - Debug Script Execution ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jgkd7Y )

00:09:41 *: asciilifeform reveals, to no one's great surprise, that he is voicing years of frustration with the entire 'open src' world in this thread, not merely bci-replacements.

00:09:51 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> signal with farts. << If I understand Edgerouter and Pogo are "farts" that signal ingroup. GIMP is a shit that doesn't work by spz to signal ingroup?

00:09:51 asciilifeform: Adlai: except i didn't ~need~ that

00:10:03 asciilifeform: Adlai: i needed ~clickable block viewer that shows version~

00:10:04 Adlai: well fuck me i'm here to give you what you don't need

00:11:28 *: Adlai goes work on his http://www.dorodango.com/create.html

00:11:29 assbot: dorodango | create ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgklV1 )

00:11:52 mircea_popescu: a) dude wtf, gimp is the worst example for this, srsly ; b) your own block dump thing actually works for the purpose you discussed, chillax already ; c) there are all sorts of block explorers, yes. it'd be nice if one day someone makes the blockdump one we discussed but that's about it.

00:12:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is actually the best example. of a proggy which naive folks suggest 'will do all the same things'

00:12:41 mircea_popescu: that's not the suggestion. what's said is that gimp is like lisp : if what you want to do can't be done in gimp iot's because you're either stupid or stupid.

00:12:56 mircea_popescu: ie, want to do something that shouldn't be done, or can't figure out how to find someone's pre-made lisp script

00:13:06 mircea_popescu: (yes, gimp trivially works on lisp)

00:13:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: go and tell this to a pro artist who has a 14-bit pressure and gyroscopic sensor 'wacom' drawing tablet that pays his rent.

00:13:22 asciilifeform: that does not work with gimp.

00:13:26 mircea_popescu: it's current;ly the only practical application i (or ANYONE ELSE, given that eulora challenge) have for lisp

00:13:32 asciilifeform: it or the 1,001 affine transform items it needs

00:13:57 mircea_popescu: "artist" using "drawing tablet" is retarded by definition.

00:14:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have yet to meet an actual pro or semi pro who draws with mice

00:14:42 asciilifeform: or still draws with ink and scanner

00:14:44 mircea_popescu: it is roughly the equivalent of a "really professional chess player" who plays chess in the dark and moving the pieces with his asshole.

00:14:48 asciilifeform: mno

00:14:49 mircea_popescu: isn't he elite!!1

00:14:51 asciilifeform: that'd be the OTHERS

00:14:53 asciilifeform: without tablet.

00:14:56 mircea_popescu: mice ? wtf.

00:14:58 asciilifeform: moving pieces with arse.

00:15:01 mircea_popescu: you draw with the fucking pencil.

00:15:12 asciilifeform: go vectorize that.

00:15:21 asciilifeform: or what, vector does not exist, aha ?

00:15:29 asciilifeform: all graphics are no larger than sheet of paper ?

00:15:36 asciilifeform: or metre-tall pixels are ok on billboard

00:15:38 mircea_popescu: so wait. "wacom doesn't work" is an objection to gimp,

00:15:45 mircea_popescu: but "vector is hard" is an argument pro ps ?

00:15:48 asciilifeform: it is for the man who doesn't program device drivers.

00:15:51 mircea_popescu: how about backwards!

00:15:55 asciilifeform: and you can't vectorize a pencil

00:15:57 asciilifeform: not via machine anyway

00:16:08 mircea_popescu: fact that wacom doesn't work with software means you can go fuck it, and fact that vectors are hard means you're still better off with gimp

00:16:14 mircea_popescu: at least you can SCRIPT IT

00:16:33 asciilifeform: the man who can program in scheme, can script it.

00:16:40 mircea_popescu: the man who can't hires one.

00:16:40 asciilifeform: and the artsy fella ?

00:16:44 asciilifeform: hires, l0l

00:16:47 asciilifeform: on artist's wages ?

00:16:52 mircea_popescu: so your artist IS retarded after all.

00:16:56 asciilifeform: of course.

00:17:01 mircea_popescu: not only he spent his money on something thar doesn't work

00:17:05 mircea_popescu: but it was his last money, too.

00:17:12 asciilifeform: i can already picture the conversation:

00:18:24 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'

00:19:21 asciilifeform: before anyone laughs, this approach has much to recommend it

00:19:26 asciilifeform: and in fact is sop in 'open source' world

00:19:31 asciilifeform: when dealing with civilians.

00:19:33 trinque: too late, laughed.

00:19:39 mircea_popescu: get the fuck outta here omfg!

00:19:45 asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts everybody here has applied precisely this formula, and in fact no other is known.

00:20:17 BingoBoingo: !b 8

00:20:17 assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/33021HJ.txt )

00:20:23 mircea_popescu: i call bullshit. brb while i prove it.

00:20:26 trinque: I mean to be fair, what the man's saying is that gimp has a scripting layer

00:20:28 trinque: makes total sense

00:20:36 trinque: jack your wacom into that or what?

00:20:37 asciilifeform: it does!

00:20:41 asciilifeform: lovely scripting layer, too

00:20:55 asciilifeform: and for all i know, somebody ported wacom to it in last 7 or what years since i last cared

00:21:06 mircea_popescu: so basically you admit you got nothing.

00:21:17 mircea_popescu: good, saves me from fishing out that file setting up a challenge.

00:21:18 *: BingoBoingo still arts with oil paints

00:21:33 asciilifeform: can find other hardware that is pro sop and not supported by any reasonable open package

00:21:50 mircea_popescu: YOU CAN FIND A FUYCKING BROOM

00:21:53 asciilifeform: e.g., laboratory robotics

00:21:56 mircea_popescu: hardware that doesn't work doesn't work

00:21:56 asciilifeform: no open anything.

00:22:01 mircea_popescu: this is not to be excused in software.

00:22:11 mircea_popescu: wtf bs is this!

00:22:17 asciilifeform: hardware without which job isn't done - must work. even if operator has to fellate obama.

00:22:19 asciilifeform: which - he will.

00:22:22 mircea_popescu: no.

00:22:29 asciilifeform: or changes jobs

00:22:32 asciilifeform: (as i did)

00:22:33 mircea_popescu: no bad piece of hardware is required by anyone but idiots.

00:22:42 mircea_popescu: period and full fucking stop, there isn't even what to discuss here.

00:22:48 mircea_popescu: all that can be done is repeating nonsense reddit style.

00:22:56 mircea_popescu: "oh noes, how about cabbie". pshhhh

00:22:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll bite. find me a mass spectrometer with fully open specs

00:23:03 asciilifeform: or for that matter, GPU!

00:23:05 asciilifeform: eulora.

00:23:20 Adlai: penny for an emacs client?

00:23:29 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-07-2015#1216134

00:23:29 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:41:23; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything.

00:23:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3542 @ 0.00071853 = 2.545 BTC [-]

00:23:48 mircea_popescu: this is still not a "ps is good" thing.

00:23:54 asciilifeform: and yes, ~we~ know why this is so. but civilian does not, and blames 'crappy open crap'

00:24:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not good thing. but it is a jail

00:24:16 mircea_popescu: completely ungermane spurious argument is orthogonal!

00:24:20 mircea_popescu: da fuck do i care what jwz blames.

00:24:36 mircea_popescu: "oh i really just want my computer to just work hurr"

00:24:37 asciilifeform: pointing out that this is not one of those jails which disappears if you stop believing in it

00:24:41 asciilifeform: and yes, they do.

00:24:53 mircea_popescu: has nothing to do with belief.

00:25:09 mircea_popescu: ps turns out, without excewption, in all cases, inferior work, BECAUSE IT SUCKS. it. irretrievably, it ruins work.

00:25:12 asciilifeform: they want their spectrometer/chromatograph/triaxial robot/etc/... to work.

00:25:14 mircea_popescu: and has, for 10-15 years now.

00:25:29 mircea_popescu: claiming otherwise because you got your sexual advances turned down by a mass spectrometer is nuts.

00:25:43 trinque: relatedly, I have a 1 for relaxedman when he comes back. I yelled at him to *read* his way through snags with gentoo, and he did!

00:25:44 mircea_popescu: neither jwz nor mass spectrometers nor anything else has any bearing here.

00:25:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it sure does suck. like most of the turdalicious offerings. but it is a mistake to suppose that folks use it on account of not having been woken up to the existing alternative

00:25:52 mircea_popescu: not in THIS case

00:26:00 mircea_popescu: which is why i said it's the worst example you could have come up with

00:26:02 trinque: did not bitch "oh but it didn't work out of the box"

00:26:04 *: asciilifeform may be missing something here

00:26:11 mircea_popescu: in the ps-gimp case, the only reason is strictly user being an imbecile.

00:26:31 mircea_popescu: yeah, you're missing the something where gimp is pretty much the only foss success in the actual marketplace.

00:26:40 mircea_popescu: ie, it saves man-hours. many. many many man hours.

00:26:43 mircea_popescu: that and fucking blender.

00:26:51 asciilifeform: blender, incidentally, was ransomed.

00:26:55 mircea_popescu: myeah.

00:27:04 asciilifeform: possibly the greatest antisuccess, from that pov.

00:27:12 mircea_popescu: being run by a bunch of incredibly idiotic idiots, yes. but still.

00:27:21 asciilifeform: in that it began life as an ordinary commercial package, written by folks who worked for a living

00:27:24 mircea_popescu: the software itself is os, and it does work.

00:27:38 asciilifeform: is today, yes.

00:27:43 mircea_popescu: this is what we're discussing

00:27:45 asciilifeform: was ransomed, for, iirc, 800K usd.

00:27:59 *: asciilifeform does not use blender with any regularity and cannot comment further

00:28:01 mircea_popescu: i don'trecall, but maybe cvut a digit. anyway, hgow is this related ?

00:28:25 asciilifeform: related in the sense that it is not 'ethnically open source'

00:28:31 mircea_popescu: ...

00:28:40 asciilifeform: was born under conditions that are not available in the 'open source' world.

00:28:43 mircea_popescu: and you're not ethnically a programmer.

00:28:48 mircea_popescu: wtf nonsense is this.

00:28:52 asciilifeform: in precisely that sense

00:29:10 mircea_popescu: there isn't a nation called "Programmer".

00:29:33 asciilifeform: there almost is, and it is the one pictured in sebastian brandt's 'ship of fools'

00:29:48 asciilifeform: (mega-b00k, recommended to all)

00:29:52 BingoBoingo: <trinque> relatedly, I have a 1 for relaxedman when he comes back. I yelled at him to *read* his way through snags with gentoo, and he did! << Promised the same for OpenBSD, but...

00:30:25 trinque: can't speak to that, but the guy got himself booted, through X and a DE, so I can dig that.

00:30:36 mircea_popescu: anyway. yes usg can be rejected just by rejecting it. no, there aren't places where this actually hurts one. yes if one perceives to be hurt it's because one did something stupid in the past he'll have to undo. no this isn't anyone else's problem and no this calls for no sympathy.

00:31:06 asciilifeform: this is entirely true

00:31:14 asciilifeform: but the 'stupid move' can be - the choice of profession.

00:31:29 mircea_popescu: only if the "profession" is saomethiong like "pop star",

00:31:32 mircea_popescu: ie, not a profession.

00:31:40 asciilifeform: or vector artist.

00:31:45 mircea_popescu: mno.

00:31:47 asciilifeform: or spectrometer user.

00:31:52 mircea_popescu: neither.

00:32:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: be so kind as to describe what the mass spec user ought to be doing

00:32:07 mircea_popescu: and don't start with "gimme free stuff in very ellaborate detail of compelx usage".

00:32:10 asciilifeform: to escape from shitblows

00:32:26 mircea_popescu: buy spectrometer, 2nd hand. reverse it or pay for it be reversed. run it on sane computer.

00:32:27 asciilifeform: let's work this gedankenexample?

00:32:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and pay to have sane computer produced ?

00:32:48 mircea_popescu: useful life of the tool is 30 years +, so. you get to "break it in" for a few months first.

00:33:17 mircea_popescu: a "sane-indistinct" computer can be had for the task as defined, out of shelf parts.

00:33:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu perhaps did not think that usg could be any moar retarded than it looks already, but here is a mega-secret: a great many (most?) u.s. laboratories have personnel empowered to purchase materiel (e.g., spectrometer) but not ever hire anyone.

00:34:09 asciilifeform: hence no reverser.

00:34:16 mircea_popescu: i do nopt care about the problems of tribes in africa.

00:34:17 mircea_popescu: why do you ?

00:34:18 asciilifeform: except when one appears by accident (as my old job)

00:34:22 asciilifeform: because i live there.

00:34:25 mircea_popescu: move.

00:34:45 mircea_popescu: africa is not something that can be fixed. it's what the word "africa" means.

00:34:49 asciilifeform: [insert link to 1,001 pertinent threads here]

00:34:59 mircea_popescu: "broken beyond repair" in african.

00:35:06 asciilifeform: ^^

00:35:08 asciilifeform: !b 4

00:35:09 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/24K3JSP.txt )

00:36:24 *: asciilifeform is not presently at all convinced that non-africa piece of the planet needs him for anything

00:36:35 *: asciilifeform or at least anything involving mass spectrometers, rather than knife sharpeners

00:36:41 mircea_popescu: i imagine poor alf mother was in it for a 3 week labour

00:36:47 asciilifeform: l0l

00:36:49 mircea_popescu: until they could convince the infant that indeed he is "needed" outside.

00:36:54 mircea_popescu: because that's the criteria nao.

00:38:00 asciilifeform: 'every sperm is wanted! every sperm is good. every sperm is needed! in your neighbourhood!' (tm) (r) (montypython)

00:38:54 mircea_popescu: anyway, i can appreciate the part where usg is there to give money to "compensate" the retarded kids that didn't reverse their spectrometer and so ended up with X loss tjhrough any of thbe multiple avenues. and i can appreciate how this makes lazy people manifest thjeir lazy.

00:39:16 asciilifeform: well yes, this is the pons asinorum of why microshit is even a thing

00:39:26 mircea_popescu: but this is not your concern!

00:39:40 mircea_popescu: you don't do the right things TO be paid. you do them BECAUSE they're the right things.

00:39:40 asciilifeform: when it was my concern, i sat and reversed.

00:39:48 asciilifeform: and yes, Right Thing.

00:39:49 mircea_popescu: yes the world should work correctly. but whether it does or does not is not your fucking problem.

00:39:51 asciilifeform: precisely that.

00:40:08 asciilifeform: but it ~is~ my problem when the sword is over my personal neck.

00:40:17 mircea_popescu: because why, you'll die anyway.

00:40:27 asciilifeform: 'die another day' (tm)

00:40:39 mircea_popescu: if you die you sleep ad libitum, alfie.

00:40:44 asciilifeform: mm

00:40:46 trinque: !b 3

00:40:46 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/25NF31V.txt )

00:40:53 trinque: aw, missed

00:41:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you write a patch for the verson string thing, i'll read it!

00:41:43 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:42:45 Adlai: sleep ad libitum, but perchance - dream

00:43:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100215 @ 0.00073235 = 73.3925 BTC [+] {5}

00:43:00 mircea_popescu: "and through reversing, end them ?"

00:44:18 Adlai: indeed, bitcoin is only worth anything because it's maximally irreversible

00:45:59 Adlai: !v assbot:Adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.2:1feac6383761210b4d44f65b92583e1a4f173ca424045f61b09c86fbdc378dab

00:46:00 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: speare shaker

00:46:14 mircea_popescu: o.O

00:46:26 trinque: did nobody get my erdos meth joke?

00:46:29 trinque: sad day

00:46:32 mircea_popescu: i did not!

00:46:42 trinque: haha

00:46:59 mircea_popescu: <trinque> Adlai seems to be using the Erdos method re: mathematics < ?

00:47:09 asciilifeform: trinque: as far as is publicly known, erdos took dextroamphetamine rather than meth

00:47:16 asciilifeform: !up Bingo_VACAY

00:47:25 trinque: mircea_popescu: haha that was the one

00:47:30 trinque: asciilifeform: ah, my mistake

00:47:40 Bingo_VACAY: Knocked offline weather

00:47:43 mircea_popescu: you'll have to explain it to me.

00:47:43 asciilifeform: trinque: to be fair, i was not there, heard secondhand

00:48:06 Bingo_VACAY: I need moar batteries

00:48:29 trinque: mircea_popescu: fella just seemed excited

00:48:56 mircea_popescu: don't quit the dayjob eh.

00:48:59 Adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/29GT0N5.txt

00:49:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E45y3N )

00:49:00 deedbot-: accepted: 1

00:50:23 danielpbarron: trinque, your script references a .tar.bz2 file that no longer exists, and it assumes I already have the gpg public key that signed the digest file

00:50:39 Adlai: trinque: if "erdos method" means hopped up on speed couchsurfing through the wot, i'd be honored but a little overplaying my character

00:50:40 trinque: yar, in the subsequent logs there's mention that it needs to be changed to the latest stage3

00:50:48 trinque: Adlai: twas just an idle joke sir

00:50:54 Adlai: but someday!

00:51:20 *: trinque also enjoys the latest deed

00:51:33 Adlai: all this requires is that a sufficient percentage of the wot settle in harm-reducing jurisdictia

00:51:53 trinque: this being which?

00:52:01 Adlai: which this being which what?

00:52:05 trinque: whaaha

00:52:07 Bingo_VACAY: Someday I won't irc on 3g because Thor decided to be a USG bitch

00:52:08 *: trinque departs for a bit

00:52:47 Adlai: get some sleep trinque, your antecedents are out of contrel

00:54:22 trinque: danielpbarron: yours + 2 is my response, might've gotten overlooked

01:01:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm kinda curious on what planet it is sop to have the mass spectrometer reversed and enlinuxed. because i'd like to move to that planet. instead of here, where, as of five minutes ago, my mailbox was NOT deluged with offers of vast riches (or even paid rent) for reversing laboratory instruments.

01:02:02 mircea_popescu: no meatwot eh ? :)

01:02:03 asciilifeform: on the planet where i live, owners of such items suck usg cock, WITHOUT EXCEPTION

01:02:31 asciilifeform: i dun think this particular wot exists.

01:02:37 mircea_popescu: meta nsa no more ?

01:02:38 asciilifeform: or at least it creates no evidence of its existence

01:02:44 asciilifeform: meta nsa makes own spectrometer.

01:02:46 asciilifeform: out of pure thought.

01:02:52 mircea_popescu: i c

01:03:55 asciilifeform: or, more realistic, when really needs an 'open' instrument, hires away the designer

01:05:42 mircea_popescu: one "really needs" an open instrument like one really needs a trustworthy wife.

01:05:45 mircea_popescu: all the time without exception.

01:07:34 *: Adlai thinks asciilifeform's attitude is only correct in the pre-scarcity world

01:07:47 Adlai: someday all the designers will be dead, and all the instruments rusted

01:07:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with instruments, it is more of 'do you want the crack whore who fucks 10,001 sailors monthly or the standard whore who fucks 101 engineers'

01:08:22 asciilifeform: Adlai: i already live in the world where designers are (largely) dead and the instruments are getting only more rusted

01:08:47 mircea_popescu: yet magically no one's trying to do anything. somehow.

01:08:56 *: asciilifeform has been known to.

01:09:01 mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform often times i look around at this retarded place and i feel i live in the future us.

01:09:13 mircea_popescu: it's very instructive.

01:09:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know, future us, past us, all the same from the dirigible, no ?

01:09:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00072323 = 39.1991 BTC [-]

01:09:27 mircea_popescu: the precious little they do right, they do by thoughtlessly following tradition.

01:09:33 mircea_popescu: everything else ... it's beyond words.

01:09:35 asciilifeform: as with any pesthole

01:09:49 mircea_popescu: nah, i'd love a future us atm.

01:09:49 asciilifeform: iirc uncle al described it as 'running on fumes'

01:09:55 mircea_popescu: quite exactly.

01:10:28 asciilifeform: and yet, my phone did not ring today, with argentinian master of spectrometer who wants linuxification

01:11:21 asciilifeform: nor is the firm where i work deluged with argentinian inquiries re: samples of virii

01:11:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203508 @ 0.00072323 = 147.1831 BTC [-]

01:11:29 mircea_popescu: i would be much surprised if there's an argentinian who even knows what to do wit hone.

01:11:36 asciilifeform: so no r&d.

01:11:38 mircea_popescu: except, of course, for the obvious : TAKE FACEBOOK PICTUREWS NEXT TO IT!

01:11:51 mircea_popescu: no r&d ? no secondary education.

01:12:01 asciilifeform: thing is, this largely describes the u.s.

01:12:05 mircea_popescu: quite.

01:12:15 asciilifeform: but in the entire thing there is, dissolved, the equivalent of maybe 2 or 3 soviet 'postbox' r&d towns

01:12:23 asciilifeform: i kinda assumed this is also true in ar.

01:12:26 mircea_popescu: maybe there. not here.

01:12:32 mircea_popescu: here "r&d" is xapo.

01:12:39 *: asciilifeform retches

01:12:48 mircea_popescu: the peak of it, at any rate.

01:13:01 *: asciilifeform recalling the story with peron and the jet plane

01:13:10 mircea_popescu: absent another ww they can sit neutral around, they're so fucked zimbabwe looks promising.

01:13:32 asciilifeform: ;;google kurt tank

01:13:33 gribble: Kurt Tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Tank; Focke-Wulf Ta 152 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_152; Kurt Tank | biography - German aircraft designer and test pilot ...: http://www.britannica.com/biography/Kurt-Tank

01:16:30 asciilifeform: http://bitcoinist.net/bitcoin-price-crashes-amid-perceived-network-disagreement-block-size << lulzy filipinotronics

01:16:31 assbot: Bitcoin Price Crashes amid Perceived Network Disagreement over Block Size - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E47U2k )

01:17:56 mircea_popescu: it's all they got to show for a lot of expenditure.

01:18:00 mircea_popescu: let teh poor ppls enjoy.

01:18:25 *: mircea_popescu still can't wait to see how the bitfinex settlement's gonna work

01:19:04 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243257 << I may give it a go. Would likely need polishing. Thankfully not that big a gap between first BIP 14 strings and therealBitcoin

01:19:04 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:41:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you write a patch for the verson string thing, i'll read it!

01:19:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: remember to use vdiff.sh

01:20:26 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I never had the original diff learned so it should be interesting

01:20:33 mircea_popescu: exciting

01:21:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: takes two args, directories a and b, and shits out diff to stdout

01:27:17 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://bitcoinist.net/bitcoin-price-crashes-amid-perceived-network-disagreement-block-size << lulzy filipinotronics <<<< Written by: Caleb Chen << used to run the CCN shithole. I'm not convince these are separate concerns

01:27:18 assbot: Bitcoin Price Crashes amid Perceived Network Disagreement over Block Size - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E47U2k )

01:27:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55464 @ 0.0007179 = 39.8176 BTC [-]

01:28:25 BingoBoingo: Related filipenis https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/427198

01:28:26 assbot: Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1E49b9K )

01:29:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37678 @ 0.0007179 = 27.049 BTC [-]

01:34:42 BingoBoingo: I'm just amazed how much of 2011 and 2012 the Filipenis is bringing back

01:43:19 BingoBoingo: "GeneralLee" is sync'd on home connection again after weather event

01:47:05 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

01:52:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107361 @ 0.00073155 = 78.5399 BTC [+] {3}

02:00:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo basically, their bitfinex broom fired. the once it gets to fire.

02:00:27 mircea_popescu: who the fuck will still use it after this... god knows they were making up most of the volume anyway.

02:01:01 BingoBoingo: Maybe it is a Mosin, they could have a whole nother 4 to fire

02:01:35 BingoBoingo: 2nd or 3rd though prolly get that persistent Gox disconnect

02:01:37 mircea_popescu: i dunno who actually possessed of the least bitcoin interest would still use it after this.

02:01:53 mircea_popescu: but that aside, there still is the issue of settlement on the fake btc they sold < 200.

02:02:08 mircea_popescu: who's gonna pay, gavin ?

02:03:02 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dunno who actually possessed of the least bitcoin interest would still use it after this. << AMeriPhillipenis

02:03:12 mircea_popescu: right.

02:03:36 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but that aside, there still is the issue of settlement on the fake btc they sold < 200. << Like Gox they hope noone ever withdraws

02:03:48 mircea_popescu: for all i care the dept of hernia can keep on doing this 300k donation programme to people who've took an obvious shot at 10:1 leverage untill they fall over.

02:03:59 mircea_popescu: they'd get better roi by buying adwords or something, but hey.

02:11:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00073505 = 25.7268 BTC [+] {3}

02:13:58 BingoBoingo: Well, reddit didn't do it

02:13:59 scoopbot_revived: Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/

02:19:31 mircea_popescu: lol speaking of bitfines, anyone rememeber "picostocks/100th" anymore ?

02:19:39 BingoBoingo: Of course.

02:19:55 BingoBoingo: One of the early places I spotted Hanbot eating souls

02:20:43 BingoBoingo: "Five Year Old Foot Longs" >> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/18/former_subway_spokesman_jared_fogle_reportedly_will_plead_guilty_to_child.html

02:20:44 assbot: Former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle reportedly will plead guilty to child porn charges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDYcE8 )

02:23:41 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

02:23:42 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.66, Best ask: 235.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 235.72, 24 hour volume: 124974.00784124, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.18, 24 hour vwap: None

02:23:46 mircea_popescu: heh.

02:24:29 BingoBoingo: Also, apparently how Qntra climbed from 250,000 to 50,000th place in US traffic while visits slowed http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/08/18/new_york_times_daily_mail_bbc_buzzfeed_why_did_web_traffic_for_world_s_biggest.html

02:24:30 assbot: New York Times, Daily Mail, BBC, BuzzFeed: Why did web traffic for world's biggest publishers drop in April? ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4e2b2 )

02:25:23 mircea_popescu: heh.

02:25:36 mircea_popescu: it's an alrogithm

02:26:46 BingoBoingo: Of course

02:27:33 mats: it falls

02:27:50 thestringpuller: ;;nethash

02:27:51 gribble: 371977103.291

02:27:53 BingoBoingo: Still a relative increase of 200,000 places on a traffic decling, not bad. Glad fartbook was ignored

02:28:05 mats: im even moar poor than b4

02:29:49 BingoBoingo: I am always both poorer and richer than I have ever been before

02:31:13 *: trinque is eagerly waiting at the sidelines

02:31:15 trinque: FALL MOAR

02:31:30 BingoBoingo: trinque: No, stay up and fall once I have fiat

02:37:59 danielpbarron: i got the iso to boot from a flash drive using something called unetbootin

02:38:19 thestringpuller: the netbooter?

02:38:28 thestringpuller: doesn' tthat thing make a bootstick of any linux?

02:39:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00070304 = 56.5947 BTC [-] {4}

02:41:51 danielpbarron: ya

02:48:05 *: asciilifeform would like to know - but does not expect mircea_popescu to say - why mircea_popescu believes the 'cheap' coinz are fictional, rather than panic-sold by the usual folks

02:48:18 mircea_popescu: crossed wire.

02:48:24 asciilifeform: c0sm1c rayz!

02:48:32 mircea_popescu: no. you understand what this means ?

02:48:33 BingoBoingo: Not the first time

02:48:38 mircea_popescu: normally the price goes 10 / 11

02:48:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently not?

02:48:54 mircea_popescu: when the price goes 10 / 7 it is because the people selling the fake btc do no wish to run their meagre offering into the bids of 10

02:49:09 mircea_popescu: so they fix the "exchange" to not serve bids anymore.

02:49:57 asciilifeform: but serve some, for show ?

02:50:02 mircea_popescu: yes.

02:50:09 mircea_popescu: so as to get the fraudulent price signal out

02:50:13 mircea_popescu: so that maybe others panic.

02:50:36 asciilifeform: shake loose what is not bolted down well, sure.

02:50:46 mircea_popescu: and i expect a sec investigation into bitfinex post haste.

02:50:57 mircea_popescu: unless the sec particularly wants me to run an investigation into IT.,

02:51:06 asciilifeform: 10 / 7 is sufficient evidence for this hypothesis? and bitfinex alone originates this gambit ?

02:51:08 mircea_popescu: with the caveat that i run my investigations with people hanging by butcher hooks.

02:51:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is, yes.

02:51:46 scoopbot_revived: So the broomstick fired. http://fraudsters.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/

02:51:47 mircea_popescu: that never happens naturally. you gotta do it, much like "bullet shaped hole in head" is proof someone was shot.

02:51:48 asciilifeform: stimulatingly goxian

02:51:50 mircea_popescu: it's not "a tumor"

02:52:30 asciilifeform: waitasec

02:52:48 asciilifeform: Bid-ask spread: -28.40343 >> isn't that convertible to an arse-mouth system ?

02:52:53 mircea_popescu: doh.

02:52:54 asciilifeform: what prevents this ?

02:52:59 mircea_popescu: see ?

02:53:00 asciilifeform: anyone connect the hose yet?

02:53:20 mircea_popescu: yes. they got shook to the tune of 5-10mn for their sins.

02:53:30 mircea_popescu: and i don't expect them to pay, either.

02:54:24 *: asciilifeform brain melts

02:54:35 mircea_popescu: ;;google this is what desperation looks like.

02:54:35 gribble: People Are Desperate To See What Jennifer Aniston's Wedding ...: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/not-jennifer-anistons-wedding-dress_55d1e3e3e4b055a6dab0bbb0; Marriage equality opponents show what desperation looks like: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/24/1396082/-Marriage-equality-opponents-show-what-desperation-looks-like; Now we know what desperation looks like (1 more message)

02:54:53 mircea_popescu: derp. google, learn to serve fraudsters.

02:54:55 asciilifeform: why would anybody ~do~ that

02:55:08 mircea_popescu: running out of options.

02:55:11 asciilifeform: is this basically a usg equivalent of letting the screwdriver slip and the plutonium hemispheres fall ?

02:55:36 mircea_popescu: yes, provided the population is cockroaches. they expect no negative effects past you know, being more braindamaged than before.w

02:58:04 *: asciilifeform has hard time picturing anyone but a 'bitfinex' insider walking away with those (partially imaginary) arse-mouth-extracted coinz

02:58:36 asciilifeform: said insider being the usg shadow of the org in question

02:58:49 asciilifeform: as with gox

02:59:02 asciilifeform: shadow leaves, takes what there is to take, like the old picture of soul leaving a body

03:00:14 *: BingoBoingo would not be surprised if fiat based exchanges report higher than $317/BTC before September 5th

03:00:45 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: $10. but available as jam-tomorrow victory bondz from usg, naturally.

03:00:59 asciilifeform: in point of fact i am rather surprised that this is not yet a thing

03:01:03 asciilifeform: (at least not publicly)

03:01:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, I'm feeling this prediction straight from my friends the testicles

03:03:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If this winter made anything clear even USD promise anal rings can't sustain sub $200 BTC

03:03:39 *: asciilifeform has no idea how much sustain-juice is in that tank

03:03:51 asciilifeform: could be litre, could be ocean.

03:04:20 BingoBoingo: No more than Water Buffalo ~400 gallons

03:04:55 BingoBoingo: Reported rates this low always required a Gox

03:05:45 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja miss the part in the thread where it becomes known that someone let slip a wrong button and gave out $int coins for phree ?

03:06:02 hanbot: qntra article cooking in BingoBoingo?

03:06:06 asciilifeform: (rather, paying folks to take'em ?)

03:06:16 BingoBoingo: Of course. Satoshi did the same 2009-Spring 2011

03:06:30 BingoBoingo: hanbot: At least 8 hours from nao

03:07:03 hanbot: water buffalo gestation!

03:07:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when i think of water buffalo, i always think of: http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/WritingVietnam/readings/tob_true_war.html

03:07:56 assbot: Writing Vietnam - Readings: T. O' Brien ... ( http://bit.ly/1TThIOS )

03:08:02 asciilifeform: (first excerpt on page)

03:09:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was refering more to the GI wiLCVfkaLx

03:09:30 asciilifeform: !s wiLCVfkaLx

03:09:31 assbot: 0 results for 'wiLCVfkaLx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wiLCVfkaLx

03:10:36 BingoBoingo: www.ebay.com/itm/like/181815242494?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82wiLCVfkaLx

03:11:04 BingoBoingo: http://www.armyproperty.com/Equipment-Info/Pictures/Water-Buffalo.jpg

03:11:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTi3B6 )

03:19:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3603 @ 0.00073536 = 2.6495 BTC [+]

03:20:22 asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2015/08/att-start-nsa.htm << l0ltr0nic

03:20:23 assbot: Start of ATT Collaboration with NSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTj0JA )

03:20:39 asciilifeform: 'Due to the ECI relationship, the technicians for AT&T had to possess a Top Secret security clearance to actually just access the fiber, because they might "accidentally" discover the tap, or discover data being diverted out of the fiber optic multiplexers. By the way, "ECI" means that the company is given a code name to conceal their involvement in illegal activities. For example, AT&T has a code name, MCI has a code name, Sp

03:20:39 asciilifeform: rint has one, and so on. The ECI codename for AT&T is "FAIRVIEW" and also US-990, but pay attention to the US-990 SIGAD code and it tends to indicate when a code and alias was initiated. US-990 dates from the day AT&T was broken up. On that date, each of the "baby bells" was given a ECI codename and SIGAD code name in the manner of that of AT&T.'

03:25:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unlike http://fraudsters.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/ et al, they didn't have the presence of mind to actually stop new orders.

03:25:35 assbot: Icbit.se, the bucket shop on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTjDml )

03:25:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.0007397 = 22.228 BTC [+] {2}

03:25:41 mircea_popescu: some actual users must have put orders in.

03:25:56 mircea_popescu: but yes, incredibly flaky execution, that's fo sho.

03:42:10 BingoBoingo: !up Jrum

03:42:14 BingoBoingo: !up ericp4

03:44:30 asciilifeform: 'As each fiber optic company sought a new undersea cable landing license from the FCC they were required by the NSA to enter into a classified contract with the NSA for TWO access point for each undersea cable. The first access point had to be right at the optical multiplexer which duplicated the optical pulse into the undersea cable, and then a second into a fiber optic cable that fed NSA gear. Then, behind the multiplexer an

03:44:30 asciilifeform: d the switching systems a second access point where the signals exited the cable station to enter the AT&T, Sprint, MCI, etc backbones.'

03:47:38 asciilifeform: (whole thing recommended reading)

03:51:27 BingoBoingo: So moving GeneralLee to port 8333 I've noticed it throws a lot more non-killing errors related to SPV nodes asking it for information with bloom filters, or at least I think that is what the errors are

03:51:36 *: BingoBoingo needs to trap one in the wild

03:52:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: GetCommand() : type=3 unknown type in ProcessMessage() ?

03:52:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Exactly

03:52:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: harmless. and your description is correct.

03:52:51 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Only 4 in the past 18 hours

03:53:02 BingoBoingo: So SPV, not even that popular

03:53:22 asciilifeform: this, too, is fit subject for a patch;

03:53:31 asciilifeform: no reason to clog the exception collector with this crud

03:53:52 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/#comment-43287

03:53:53 assbot: Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmEmV )

03:54:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> no reason to clog the exception collector with this crud << Tagged as Africa

03:55:36 hanbot: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hjceh/dont_let_bitfinex_scam_you/cu7v9hg lol

03:55:38 assbot: altctrlcrit comments on Don't let Bitfinex scam you. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmQSU )

03:57:01 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this, too, is fit subject for a patch; << I imagine orphanage stomping patches will be joined with "Fuck off out of my kitchen" set

03:57:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1540 @ 0.0007355 = 1.1327 BTC [-]

03:58:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it falls squarely into the 'wouldn't it be nice' set of patches, rather than 'must have yesterday' set

03:58:10 asciilifeform: and therefore i will not be writing it any time soon.

03:58:12 asciilifeform: but you can!

03:59:28 BingoBoingo: Of course. Much as it would be nice to supplement "GeneralLee" on home connection with "GeneralQuantrill" seed and relay slut node on colo eventually.

04:02:02 BingoBoingo: peerdump: http://dpaste.com/2RDCJRD

04:02:03 assbot: dpaste: 2RDCJRD ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTnuQB )

04:02:58 BingoBoingo: Honestly as few fillipenis as stumbled onto node must wonder what the fuck they "wallet" with

04:09:22 mircea_popescu: lol hanbot

04:10:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117686 @ 0.00071235 = 83.8336 BTC [-] {5}

04:18:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75845 @ 0.00069214 = 52.4954 BTC [-]

04:23:54 mircea_popescu: meanwhile "5 points 86% upvoted" ... how does this work ?

04:24:01 mircea_popescu: reddit forked math ?

04:25:07 BingoBoingo: A long long time ago, I can still remember the day... Mathematics died

04:27:26 hanbot: American Pi

04:31:22 BingoBoingo: ^

04:31:58 BingoBoingo: OH, now that I mentioned it the SPV niggers are clogging up my errors

04:33:35 *: trinque has learned that beeper services are few and dwindling

04:34:22 trinque: I'm thinking I could do everything I ever wanted by sending beeper alphanumeric messages which designate some URL whose contents are gpg'd

04:34:40 trinque: so you drive along, you do that, you slurp messages from wifi as you can and want to

04:35:04 trinque: whoever said a guy wanted or needed to be accessible 24/7

04:36:09 BingoBoingo: What pager listens on 2.4 or 5 ghz

04:36:23 trinque: no no

04:36:54 trinque: thought was you could page yourself URLs as a means of signaling

04:36:55 BingoBoingo: Also those baud rates, a bitcoind couldn't keep up

04:37:09 trinque: then you go grab the dpaste url or whatever it is from wherever you like

04:37:13 trinque: and decrypt

04:37:37 BingoBoingo: Do you remember 14.4kbps fax hell?

04:38:05 trinque: my first modem was 28.8, found its screech soothing

04:38:15 trinque: least I think it was 28.8; I was rather young

04:39:26 trinque: http://www.pager99.com/ << looking here

04:39:29 assbot: Pager99 - Pager, Pagers, Paging, Beeper, Beepers ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4mFCn )

04:39:54 BingoBoingo: We are talking an ancient time when not the actual mp3, but the peers to find it took minutes

04:40:58 trinque: napster -> winmx -> directconnect -> gnutella

04:41:05 trinque: I think that was the beginning of my progression anyway

04:41:27 trinque: of them winmx was the most hackery-looking, and therefore the best

04:45:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68950 @ 0.00071651 = 49.4034 BTC [+]

04:51:11 *: danielpbarron got gentoo on his new iron

04:51:39 danielpbarron: trinque, why do you tell lilo to look in sdb ?

04:52:44 trinque: it's meant to be edited, but it really depends on whether you're targeting a USB stick or the hard drive inside

04:53:03 trinque: depends upon the order in which the drives are enumerated

04:53:35 danielpbarron: oh that was meant specifically to make a bootable flash drive?

04:53:47 danielpbarron: anyhoo i figured it out

04:53:50 trinque: yep

04:53:57 trinque: cool

05:35:22 mats: asciilifeform: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-mad-1_11-cv-11073/pdf/USCOURTS-mad-1_11-cv-11073-27.pdf

05:35:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLOvtm )

05:35:40 mats: and https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmatkinson

05:35:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLOBkx )

05:37:32 mats: my read here is this guy is probably an idiot

05:57:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00073151 = 8.8513 BTC [+]

06:05:35 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

06:05:39 gribble: Current Blocks: 370503 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 440 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

06:10:11 punkman: ;;ticker --market all

06:10:18 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 232.74, vol: 22104.99845004 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 228.475, vol: 15111.77 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.01, vol: 135247.89036003 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 230.01, vol: 30.44604167 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 233.666937, vol: 30038.59510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 233.55, vol: 703.94647149 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 239.003988935, vol: 132.0671135 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

06:17:49 mircea_popescu: !up brg444

06:18:14 mike_c: i missed the memo, we're all selling now?

06:18:41 brg444: evening!

06:19:25 brg444: did not find anything in the log. was this lulz discussed here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0

06:19:27 assbot: Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3daAd )

06:20:00 pete_dushenski: mike_c: selling btc to buy s.mpoe y'know

06:20:11 mike_c: srsly

06:20:33 mike_c: just note, there's another random theory in the dust (mpoe correlated to btc price)

06:20:52 mike_c: random walk ftw

06:21:20 pete_dushenski: give it time, there's always a lag for these sorts of things

06:22:37 mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hh3pz/i_asstoshi_original_creator_of_buttcoin_have/ << not bad lulz.

06:22:39 assbot: I, Asstoshi, original creator of Buttcoin, have returned. AMA : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3dnDE )

06:23:01 brg444: mircea_popescu I happen to have misplaced the email pertinent my fraudsters.com information access. what would be standard procedure to retrieve said password?

06:23:03 mircea_popescu: brg444 was not, i don't think anyone seriously read that thing.

06:23:13 mircea_popescu: brg444 getting a new one, pretty much.

06:23:42 mircea_popescu: mike_c which way would it correlate ? up or down ?

06:23:47 mircea_popescu: seems it does each about 50% of the time.

06:23:59 mike_c: yeah, who knows

06:24:03 mircea_popescu: mike_c http://fraudsters.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ << your memo.

06:24:04 assbot: So the broomstick fired. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )

06:24:07 brg444: i see

06:24:53 mircea_popescu: so shitcoin-xt is built to run on windows 10 natively i gather ?

06:24:55 punkman: the only local traders I've found so far want 300-400eur per coin :/

06:25:03 mircea_popescu: kudos to the shitdev team!

06:25:19 punkman: (because alt-eurocoin here)

06:25:25 pete_dushenski: punkman: what kind of qty is that for ?

06:25:58 mircea_popescu: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010379.html << pretty fucking hysterical, how dumb these schmucks are.

06:25:59 assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XTs Tor IP blacklist downloading system has significant privacy leaks. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3dCOY )

06:25:59 punkman: pete_dushenski: I doubt they have any serious qty

06:26:30 brg444: where may I find most up to date instruction as to how to register with assbot?

06:26:41 mircea_popescu: "Connections are made over clearnet even when using a proxy or onlynet=tor, which leaks connections on the P2P network with the real location of the node. Knowledge of this traffic along with uptime metrics from bitnodes.io can allow observers to easily correlate the location and identity of persons running Shitcoin-XT nodes."

06:26:46 mircea_popescu: !h

06:26:46 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

06:26:50 pete_dushenski: punkman: i only ask because localbitcoins sellers in canada seem to tap out at $1500

06:26:57 mircea_popescu: brg444 see the chapter called "first steps"

06:28:28 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: time to inform mr and mrs old timey derpminers, the qntra ones

06:28:31 punkman: oh apparently I can send 500eur per month outside of greece now! lol

06:29:06 pete_dushenski: 'toomin bros bitcoin mining concern ltd'

06:29:39 pete_dushenski: 'We conduct our business in a way that protects the blockchain against plurality attacks, and our planet's climate against warming. We hope you'll join us.'

06:30:24 pete_dushenski: they seem to to be located in ben_vulpes' corner of the world

06:31:59 brg444: !register 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22

06:31:59 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22. This may take a few moments.

06:31:59 assbot: No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.

06:32:29 pete_dushenski: might take a few minutes if it's a new key

06:32:37 pete_dushenski: no rush

06:35:35 punkman: so this is a curious tidbit from updated capital control rulez. No early repayment of loans unless you are paying cash, foreign bank wire, or refinancing with new loan.

06:35:49 mircea_popescu: how else ?

06:36:01 punkman: domestic bank wire

06:36:13 mircea_popescu: o.O

06:36:34 mircea_popescu: writing's on the wall, you'll get "stabilized".

06:36:44 mircea_popescu: what did cypriots get hit with, 84% ?

06:37:05 mircea_popescu: they're still negotiating it, obviously, which is why the rule. but i doubt it'll be under 70%.

06:37:19 brg444: Hi pete. What qualifies as new in that case? It is one I created a few months ago following the instructions on your blog..

06:37:29 punkman: wasn't nearly as bad in cyprus

06:38:15 pete_dushenski: brg444: hm. new is minutes not months.

06:38:35 brg444: Yes. That would make sense

06:38:58 mircea_popescu: punkman yeah iut was ?

06:39:18 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/

06:39:19 assbot: Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3esew )

06:39:29 punkman: mircea_popescu: I meant compare to .gr, not your percentages

06:39:35 mircea_popescu: balance 849k euro, available 128k euro

06:39:48 pete_dushenski: brg444: look for 'send to keyserver' if you're using a gui app.

06:39:59 mircea_popescu: oh. yeah, but quickly diminshing returns. something like 86-88% is probably right.

06:40:16 brg444: Done, wait a few I guess?

06:40:16 mircea_popescu: meaning that if you had a 1mn euro loan, and a 1mn euro bank deposit, you just lost enough to buy twelve houses.

06:40:24 pete_dushenski: brg444: yup

06:40:34 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lest we forget that italy did !

06:40:50 pete_dushenski: repeal. for bitcoin bizniz.

06:41:04 mircea_popescu: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22 << doesn't seem to exist brg444

06:41:04 assbot: No results found ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3eAed )

06:42:05 mircea_popescu: punkman and they're derping about for a few weeks while people can get a few hundreds out so the poor people can slowly leech their accounts during the interval.

06:42:19 mircea_popescu: "decrease social costs", ie, lose less votes.

06:48:16 punkman: hmm trying to find exact numbers from cyprus bail-in but it's all spammy blog posts

06:48:34 pete_dushenski: i seem to recall 40-50%

06:48:35 mircea_popescu: not like they ever told the truth.

06:48:45 punkman: I bet some russians lost 80%

06:50:19 punkman: "As part of the deal, BoC absorbed the loans and insured deposits of Laiki, formerly the second-biggest bank, after its uninsured deposits had been comprehensively bailed in. The new bank was then recapitalised by converting 47.5% of BoC’s uninsured deposits into equity."

06:50:42 mircea_popescu: the thing is... even after that cyprus thing, there were still peopel thick enough to keep money in greek banks.

06:50:49 mircea_popescu: and even today, there's people with dollars in us banks etc.

06:51:07 mircea_popescu: there's truly no curing human idiocy. butcher them and lay em out in the sun is the only cure.

06:51:20 punkman: yes that's the only reason I keep mentioning the greek situation. Tomorrow it's gonna be you.

06:51:35 mircea_popescu: well, not me, but yes, everyone who "had no alternative".

06:51:47 punkman: for some values of you, yes

06:53:00 mircea_popescu: do not ask whom the fiat sovereigns fleece, my friend... for they fleece you.

06:58:31 cazalla: ;;later tell bitstein ofn, i published an article on that like a month ago, not sure why it is back in the news cycle again

06:58:32 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:01:16 mircea_popescu: !up BananaLotus

07:01:34 cazalla: i expect today's logs shall be good

07:02:04 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242024 <<< nope, 4chan is a sjw safe place these days

07:02:04 assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 10:56:14; shinohai: ^ next she should go take on 4chan racists

07:03:06 pete_dushenski: BananaLotus: are you the banana troll from the contravex comments ?

07:05:56 punkman: http://www.economist.com/news/business-and-finance/21661404-spat-between-developers-may-split-digital-currency-forking-hell

07:05:57 assbot: Explicit cookie consent | The Economist ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3h0JN )

07:06:28 mircea_popescu: this being 4chan's what, 4th ? 5th ? alignment to boring ?

07:06:50 pete_dushenski: bi, vox, economist, everyone's takin' their potshots

07:07:08 mircea_popescu: what else is a media good for!

07:07:23 punkman: Guardian: "Bitcoin's forked: chief scientist launches alternative proposal for the currency"

07:07:43 mircea_popescu: and no word about teh found satoshi, hm ?

07:07:46 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: pictures of new jersey ?

07:08:02 *: mircea_popescu recalls how excited they were over this, a year ago. almost looked like it's a thing that matters, to hear them talk.

07:08:13 mircea_popescu: but now, suddenlyt, somehow, not any longer.

07:08:16 mike_c: ;;ticker --market bitfinex

07:08:18 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.57, Best ask: 235.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 235.72, 24 hour volume: 135720.2893984, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.18, 24 hour vwap: None

07:08:26 mircea_popescu: ah if only satoshi had the foresight to not piss all over the face of usg!

07:08:31 pete_dushenski: 162!

07:08:38 mircea_popescu: how famous and important he could have been.

07:09:14 mircea_popescu: "chief scientist of a fraudulent foundation run by some people we've still, somehow, magically, not gotten around to investigating. hurr."

07:09:30 mike_c: too much drama for me. i'm going to bed.

07:09:36 mircea_popescu: sleep tight.

07:09:36 punkman: "BitBeat: Bitcoin’s Noisy Size Debate Reaches a Hard Fork" some hilarious titles

07:10:02 mike_c: this terminology.. how is yet another altcoin a hard fork

07:10:21 mircea_popescu: if only bitfinex was worth twoi shits, and the planned price movement caught on, and all the alt-articles they tabled could have been published. aww what a glorious day could have been.

07:10:22 punkman: BBC: "Bitcoin could split in debate over currency's future"

07:10:51 mircea_popescu: mike_c how is osama a terrorist and obama a peace prize winner ?

07:11:50 mike_c: yeah, i'm just too tired to keep even keel. they are annoying me today. just stop fucking with it so we can do some useful things.

07:12:05 mircea_popescu: not like you have to read the fishwrappers.

07:12:20 punkman: sorry for triggering mike_c

07:12:22 mike_c: well, i don't. but some of it leaks in here :)

07:12:36 punkman: Vox: "Bitcoin is on the verge of a constitutional crisis"

07:12:40 mike_c: hehe

07:12:49 mircea_popescu: i kinda have a lulz reading the stuff now and again, but yeah, too much can readily bristle one.

07:13:04 pete_dushenski: bi "A bitcoin civil war is threatening to tear the digital currency in two"

07:13:23 pete_dushenski: one side: scammers, other side:...

07:13:33 mircea_popescu: must suck to be this powerless, after having imagined oneself almighty.

07:13:39 *: mircea_popescu commiserates.

07:13:56 mike_c: that part i do enjoy. when the flailing subsides and they just look stupid.

07:14:00 punkman: http://cointelegraph.com/news/115143/greece-to-receive-1000-bitcoin-atms-as-trust-in-banks-long-gone

07:14:01 assbot: Greece to Receive 1,000 Bitcoin ATMs as Trust in Banks ‘Long Gone’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjAf86 )

07:14:16 pete_dushenski: ^sounds very 2013

07:14:19 mircea_popescu: yeah, right. because they're going to pay in goats.

07:14:23 mircea_popescu: the goat-to-btc atm.

07:14:34 pete_dushenski: baaatoshi

07:14:36 punkman: they are Turks, so they probably could deal with goats

07:14:38 mircea_popescu: ajhahahaha

07:14:53 mike_c: hehe. is that coinion thing still going?

07:15:19 mircea_popescu: punkman amusingly, reviewing the (little) record from the 1700s, what the turks wanted from turkish part of romania was : a) sheep ; b) women. a distant 3rd, wax and honey.

07:15:31 mike_c: aww, doesn't look like it. too bad, they were funny

07:16:16 pete_dushenski: mike_c: looks like it's been a full year since a tweet outta 'coinion;

07:16:24 mike_c: and the domain is dead

07:16:39 mircea_popescu: i don't readily recall anything of theirs. what was funniest ?

07:16:45 mike_c: you offered to pay them

07:16:52 pete_dushenski: mike_c: talk about a market opportunity

07:16:52 mike_c: if they published x articles

07:17:02 mike_c: !s from:mircea_popescu coinion

07:17:02 assbot: 0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu coinion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+coinion

07:17:11 mircea_popescu: hm

07:18:02 pete_dushenski: "Many of the newcomers filing in on Mondays may not be there in a few years. The company’s winners dream up innovations that they roll out to a quarter-billion customers and accrue small fortunes in soaring stock. Losers leave or are fired in annual cullings of the staff — “purposeful Darwinism,”"

07:18:31 pete_dushenski: “Nearly every person I worked with, I saw cry at their desk.”

07:19:32 mircea_popescu: what novel gunk is this ?

07:19:40 pete_dushenski: scamazon

07:19:43 mircea_popescu: it reads to me approximately like http://41.media.tumblr.com/08f95c44bd6615287bbd30c66e0201f4/tumblr_nsav9l7SJI1uzeq7qo1_1280.jpg looks to you.

07:19:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3ilAc )

07:19:59 punkman: ahaha

07:20:17 mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2014#762630

07:20:17 assbot: Logged on 20-07-2014 21:36:28; mircea_popescu: http://www.theonion.com/articles/openminded-man-grimly-realizes-how-much-life-hes-w,19273/ << the end of fucking days, when the parody sites are more truthful than the "serious" networks.

07:20:24 mike_c: doh, wrong one

07:20:27 mike_c: can't find it.

07:20:32 mike_c: anyway, bed for realz. later all.

07:20:34 mircea_popescu: FUD!

07:21:55 punkman: "This email is to notify that your following domains have been automatically renewed as per your request and the amount was debited from your Credit Card" oh nice, can't keep spending the bitcoins here

07:22:03 pete_dushenski: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html << for anyone who wants to read why u.s. workplace culture is done like turkey dinner, this is supposed to be 'edgy' and 'controversial'

07:22:06 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3itQj )

07:24:03 mircea_popescu: here's one for BingoBoingo http://36.media.tumblr.com/655bd41bfcd346ef3638d0591d860c3b/tumblr_nq4ryt4Kw41s1mjnbo1_1280.jpg

07:24:26 punkman: http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015/ that's even better than the "scalability workshops"

07:24:27 assbot: Consensus 2015 - TimesCenter, New York, 10th September ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjBp3m )

07:24:53 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha.

07:25:32 mircea_popescu: demo-craci. based on the happenstance that the way you say "ankles to ears" in romanian is "umeri-craci"

07:26:50 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/BitcoinBelle/status/633899543608852480

07:27:34 mircea_popescu: ahahaha what.

07:27:57 pete_dushenski: the agent is... her husband

07:28:43 mircea_popescu: i feel very confused, because i thought the anon derp in question was really part of the team that arrested miloshevich

07:30:18 mircea_popescu: no no wait. she was on the ship that discovered antarctica. which is why it was called antartibelle. right ?

07:30:52 mircea_popescu: that's not right either. was she the inventor of savarines ? which were then named after her ?

07:32:44 mircea_popescu: memory fails me. but i'm sure nobody on twitter is nevertheless a major force in things and such.

07:32:53 pete_dushenski: she was the one who married the beast, who turned out to be an enchanted prince, who turned out to be an fbi agent

07:33:06 *: punkman lost the plot

07:33:48 mircea_popescu: punkman that's the sort of anarcho-patriarchist attitude that keeps women down under tech and stuff.

07:34:23 pete_dushenski: oz women like it like that.

07:35:15 punkman: http://www.coindesk.com/new-scholarships-aim-to-boost-diversity-in-blockchain-space/

07:35:15 assbot: New Scholarships Aim to Boost Diversity in Blockchain Space ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjCSGO )

07:35:26 pete_dushenski: sponsored by intel ?

07:36:15 mircea_popescu: lol

07:36:22 mircea_popescu: "blockchain space" ?!

07:36:42 mircea_popescu: o right right, because in their alt-reality it's not really the bitcoin, it's "the blockchain technologee". nearly forgot.

07:38:05 mircea_popescu: "DI$RUPTIV3 @BitcoinBelle ? Jan 6 You are far grander than you think you are. Dare to blow your own mind with how bold and beautiful you can be."

07:38:10 mircea_popescu: holy shit, i actually... called it ?

07:38:24 mircea_popescu: hey dumb women... y u so predictable ?

07:38:31 mircea_popescu: this is why smart women dun like you.

07:48:48 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242461 << 1000 mb / 128 mb != 64...

07:48:48 assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 19:23:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242168 << it is, lol. check out the idiot. 3 years, up 64x. 4 more years, up 32x. 5 more years, up 2x.

07:49:36 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242457 << nah. i'm just getting closer to the age you were when you penned that one

07:49:36 assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 19:21:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242153 << i take it pete read http://fraudsters.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ ? somehow ?

07:49:52 mircea_popescu: heh

07:50:10 pete_dushenski: bringing up the rear !

08:00:14 chetty: http://www.wired.com/2015/08/happened-hackers-posted-stolen-ashley-madison-data/

08:00:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjGdFY )

08:10:43 punkman: oh now BitcoinBelle makes sense

08:16:39 punkman: https://alibi.cs.umd.edu/

08:16:41 assbot: Alibi Routing ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjIBwy )

08:22:36 shinohai: http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/#comment-43287 <<< top kek BingoBoingo

08:22:37 assbot: Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmEmV )

08:29:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74600 @ 0.00070871 = 52.8698 BTC [-] {5}

08:38:36 mircea_popescu: ftr they have been available for a week or so.

08:48:39 shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMwly0yUsAA414a.png

08:48:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PyXf16 )

08:48:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27246 @ 0.00072394 = 19.7245 BTC [+]

09:02:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00073366 = 30.667 BTC [+] {7}

09:22:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00070407 = 14.1518 BTC [-] {3}

09:54:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00069265 = 31.8273 BTC [-] {4}

09:55:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00069123 = 26.0594 BTC [-] {3}

10:19:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61427 @ 0.00068938 = 42.3465 BTC [-] {5}

10:24:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65235 @ 0.00069218 = 45.1544 BTC [+]

10:32:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53660 @ 0.00071248 = 38.2317 BTC [+] {3}

11:26:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25744 @ 0.00070497 = 18.1487 BTC [-] {3}

11:41:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00070819 = 30.0981 BTC [+] {3}

11:46:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00070928 = 17.8384 BTC [+]

11:54:52 punkman: http://www.newson6.com/story/29826547/man-accidentally-shoots-self-while-guarding-muslim-free-oktaha-gun-store

11:54:53 assbot: Man Accidentally Shoots Self While Guarding 'Muslim-Free' Oktaha - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com | ... ( http://bit.ly/1gX73pM )

11:59:48 shinohai: http://redd.it/3hiyg3

11:59:57 shinohai: And kek punkman

12:21:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00070019 = 24.9618 BTC [-]

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12:41:49 BingoBoingo: Oh Arse Technica just ran Hearn's blogpost as an Op Ed

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13:12:09 btcdrak: https://twitter.com/DanDarkPill/status/633989558917435393/photo/1

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13:57:36 mats: lots of mpoe moves while i snoozed

13:57:43 mats: =[

14:15:32 mats: https://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/21/hardware-side-channels-in-the-cloud

14:15:34 assbot: Hardware Side Channels in the Cloud – Trail of Bits Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVMXlj )

14:22:07 lobbes: !rated mircea_popescu

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14:22:17 lobbes: !rate mircea_popescu 2 fraudsters credits. Also, he's Mircea Popescu

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14:23:34 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: fraudsters credits. Also, he's Mircea Popescu

14:27:43 mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236371 << windows will actually scan memory for magic bytes and use it

14:27:43 assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 21:41:42; ascii_field: 'nstead, a file called "wpbbin.exe" was placed in C:\windows\system32 and executed. That turns out to be a method Microsoft introduced with Windows 8 to allow the BIOS to execute code on boot up (!?!) called "Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT)". I can find almost NOTHING about this anywhere on the internet except a single document on Microsoft's website (link to the Google Cache since it's a .docx fil

14:28:05 asciilifeform: mats: aha.

14:28:59 asciilifeform: mats: folks were getting wise to the old-fashioned diddled boot sector. therefore, this.

14:30:09 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what ended up happening with this patch? << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150803/asciilifeform_jettison_mempool_195c600991e7306b0f21eddd834b38b9301cf12b.patch

14:30:26 mats: a guy i know had this fun fact: You can bypass mmap_min_addr on Linux via iopl. You basically need root, but even root is not supposed to be able to do that.

14:31:17 asciilifeform: http://www.troyhunt.com/2015/07/heres-how-im-going-to-handle-ashley.html << watch the 'responsible disclosure' twerps stuff head farther than ever thought possible up own arse

14:31:18 assbot: Troy Hunt: Here’s how I’m going to handle the Ashley Madison data ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVOnfF )

14:32:04 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)

14:32:56 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: at some point i will write a working version of it.

14:33:03 asciilifeform: when - i do not know.

14:33:05 thestringpuller: the intent is to jettison the entire pool? (hopefully I'm reading the patch correctly). mod6 informed me of the boost datastructure idiocy

14:33:10 thestringpuller: i was going to mess around with it

14:33:34 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: must understand, this was intended solely for laboratory purposes

14:33:49 asciilifeform: that is, to discover whether there are non-mempool-related leaks

14:34:40 thestringpuller: ah. it's a first step to mempool filtering once boost actually jettison's and poops the unwanted data, freeing memory.

14:34:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243805 << 'even root'. what nonsense is this. root isn't root if he can't, e.g., operate a dma-capable device on the bus and flip arbitrary bits

14:34:56 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:30:26; mats: a guy i know had this fun fact: You can bypass mmap_min_addr on Linux via iopl. You basically need root, but even root is not supposed to be able to do that.

14:36:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243815 << correct.

14:36:57 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:34:40; thestringpuller: ah. it's a first step to mempool filtering once boost actually jettison's and poops the unwanted data, freeing memory.

14:38:03 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243763 << do we have a mirror ? if not, why not ?

14:38:03 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 08:38:36; mircea_popescu: ftr they have been available for a week or so.

14:38:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:39:53 asciilifeform: 'Consensus 2015 is working with MIT Media Lab's Digital Currency Initiative to boost diversity in the cryptocurrency space by offering 50 Consensus Scholarships to young women and people of colour.' << glorious

14:40:52 asciilifeform: does each one of the 50 muppets get a fed-backed altcoin ?

14:42:09 *: mats regrets not being an american indian black disabled LGBT veteran

14:43:22 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243747 << does mircea_popescu remember the thread about the fight of monkey vs man ? and whether the man is necessarily smarter, if cannot win. i dare say this applies here. perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg

14:43:22 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 07:38:24; mircea_popescu: hey dumb women... y u so predictable ?

14:43:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00068997 = 2.2079 BTC [-]

14:47:43 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 << destructors. for anyone actually reading this.

14:47:43 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)

14:47:49 *: asciilifeform bbl

14:47:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75650 @ 0.00069714 = 52.7386 BTC [+]

14:53:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00068972 = 20.8985 BTC [-] {5}

14:55:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00068797 = 21.9462 BTC [-]

14:58:28 mod6: <+thestringpuller> the intent is to jettison the entire pool? (hopefully I'm reading the patch correctly). mod6 informed me of the boost datastructure idiocy << wait, wat?!

15:03:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39294 @ 0.00068785 = 27.0284 BTC [-] {3}

15:06:30 thestringpuller: mod6: my bad BingoBoingo informed me of the data structure idiocy

15:07:07 mod6: did you add that patch to your currently running node on aws?

15:08:20 thestringpuller: no.

15:08:34 thestringpuller: just reading the patches.

15:08:38 mod6: alrighty.

15:15:35 thestringpuller: i too am interested in the memory footprint and any potential leaks etc.

15:29:00 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJSYeqXHm38

15:29:02 assbot: UK, Lada Cars Television / Cinema Commercial 1980 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuANqU )

15:33:26 phf: odd because map::clear documentation says "Removes all elements from the map container (which are destroyed)"

15:35:18 phf: elsewhere says "Invalidates any references, pointers, or iterators referring to contained elements"

15:38:12 phf: but then a stackoverflow answer says that std::map doesn't manage, and require for(...) delete iter->second;

15:38:24 phf: what fun language

15:40:35 phf: thestringpuller: you should try patching that patch, by adding http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/begin/, for(...) { delete iter->second; } for mapTransactions and mapNextTx in the JettisonMempool function. seems like an easy fix, i don't have my env setup at the moment

15:40:38 assbot: 404 Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuCMva )

15:42:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00072197 = 8.8802 BTC [+] {3}

16:05:13 mircea_popescu: !up jborkl

16:06:14 mircea_popescu: mats seems it stayed around 7 and a leaf anyway

16:07:39 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMxiJLoUYAA-GxN.png << lol not bad.

16:07:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuK81Q )

16:07:57 mircea_popescu: bitcoin sorely needs something like a humor outleta comic. something.

16:08:28 jborkl: hey guys

16:08:58 jborkl: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-19/bitcoin-battered-after-governance-coup

16:08:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuKo0S )

16:09:14 jurov: https://i.imgur.com/vafOPbZ.jpg

16:09:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuKqFW )

16:09:16 jborkl: whats all this non sense, hhe

16:09:24 mircea_popescu: they forgot "failed" and to delete "battered" in there.

16:09:29 jurov: ^ lame but kinda humor, too

16:10:22 mircea_popescu: "he data needs to be treated as ?sensitive? and not available to the masses"

16:10:26 mircea_popescu: heh, fucktards.

16:10:31 punkman: someone needs to explain the bikini wax joke to me

16:10:49 mircea_popescu: dude... your wife is cheating on you. with me. ain't jack shit you can d oabout it, now go put on those panties she bought you and wash the fucking dishes.

16:11:18 mircea_popescu: and no, it has nothing to do with "big cocks".

16:11:57 mircea_popescu: punkman ever see a chicken get in a terrible wood saw accident, resulting in a bloodied half body strutting around as if nothing happened ?

16:12:42 jborkl: yeah

16:12:44 punkman: haven't had the pleasure

16:13:02 jborkl: it chills for a little bit, like all is good

16:13:12 mircea_popescu: well apparently you're missing a fundamental life experience that's integral to understanding a swathe of humor!

16:13:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57800 @ 0.00072186 = 41.7235 BTC [-]

16:13:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i actually enjoy the butthurt tears of the jwz twerps. "oh, we can't pretend nothing happened now ?!?!?! hurrrrrr"

16:14:37 mircea_popescu: not a word about how the company in question lied to an' defrauded its "customers". not like they're about to tar and feather bitlove llc or etc.

16:15:42 mircea_popescu: "Hey, I know you're trying to make a point and all, but do you mind removing me from the list?" then, now AND 4EVAR!!11

16:16:01 [\\\]: bye felicia

16:18:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if not, why not ? << because we aren't the usg of internet. here's how the hackerteam stuff looks, by the way : http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bw-hackerteam.png

16:18:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuMnSG )

16:20:07 mircea_popescu: a terrabyte's not expensive or anything. on the other hand, i'm sure i could burn an infinite amount of resources feeding the idle internet twerps.

16:20:37 *: mircea_popescu has absolutely no trust left in the value or importance of "the internet community". serving it is not unlike serving cockroaches.

16:21:55 mircea_popescu: let them go read the guardian or whatever the fuck it is that they do. what mirror.

16:26:51 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg < one is not smart who must eternal lie, and with strange eons even smarts may die.

16:30:57 mats: lol...

16:31:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, she's clearly as dumb as that polyanna chick, or as boiled frogs, whichever you prefer. she looks like a marginal stripper at best. so yes, given her meagre assets, certainly living the soccer mom life of a wife of some usg twerp is much better than living the stripper life of her mates.

16:33:04 mircea_popescu: ra-ra-ra, gooooo BAAADGERS!!11

16:35:48 mats: there was a chick who looked 17 that took 5-10s to figure out $10-3.50=6.50 wtf is goin on here

16:36:32 mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform bbl <<< ran into similar issues with eulora. the thing is, as inconvenient as that may be, there's no actual alternative.

16:36:51 mircea_popescu: programmatic destructures work shittily enough you just end up with segfaults.

16:37:02 mats: incidentally, in cambridge, MA, at a farmer's market

16:38:52 mircea_popescu: jborkl well, nth abortive attempt to "rein in" btc.

16:38:53 scoopbot_revived: Vox populi, vox dei, no more. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/vox-populi-vox-dei-no-more/

16:39:10 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

16:39:32 mircea_popescu: mats mebbe she was playin' moe.

16:39:53 mats: wat is moe

16:40:39 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243849 << no go! this invalidates the iterator

16:40:39 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 15:40:35; phf: thestringpuller: you should try patching that patch, by adding http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/begin/, for(...) { delete iter->second; } for mapTransactions and mapNextTx in the JettisonMempool function. seems like an easy fix, i don't have my env setup at the moment

16:40:49 mircea_popescu: clearly you're not ready to go back to asia.

16:40:50 ascii_field: phf: that was actually my first try. it explodes in a fireball.

16:41:04 mircea_popescu: ascii_field exactly. which is why this is not trivial.

16:41:40 mircea_popescu: how was that ancient observation, "i know how to make a better garbage collector..." ?

16:44:46 ascii_field: it's trivial!

16:44:54 ascii_field: i just don't have time to do everything in one day!

16:45:20 mircea_popescu: sucks.

16:47:07 mircea_popescu: in lighter news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5f66adc5ef59d09907a113934e01e138/tumblr_nq34p3RluW1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg

16:47:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UT8BjE )

16:48:08 mircea_popescu: and to illustrate that "women on heels > any other women" point, http://40.media.tumblr.com/492f8f1ab819efdd19fa683e186d4b4c/tumblr_nq34ifAzsi1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg

16:48:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UT8HYn )

16:52:24 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243885 << mega-win

16:52:24 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 16:26:51; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg < one is not smart who must eternal lie, and with strange eons even smarts may die.

16:52:26 *: ascii_field falls down

16:52:35 mircea_popescu: :D

16:53:06 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243877 << they're still living in the 'we pushed the unhappen button and it unhappened, motherfuckerz' universe

16:53:06 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 16:14:37; mircea_popescu: not a word about how the company in question lied to an' defrauded its "customers". not like they're about to tar and feather bitlove llc or etc.

16:53:35 mircea_popescu: more like "the world exists to cater to me and so it SHOULD be the case this unhappened".

16:53:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41744 @ 0.00072186 = 30.1333 BTC [-] {2}

16:53:56 mircea_popescu: bad parenting resplendant.

16:54:44 ascii_field: now if only they were running a reactor, or a military engagement, and were now dead

16:54:59 mircea_popescu: except they'd do more damage than they're worth, if they had.

16:55:00 ascii_field: but no, the sc4mz0rz will reconvene under a new flag and run another usg-funded scam

16:55:08 ascii_field: just like gavin & co

16:55:13 mircea_popescu: no, best is for them to marry usg twerps and live out the rest of their lives, warehoused in maryland.

16:55:28 mircea_popescu: inconvenient as this may be, it's still optimal.

16:55:37 ascii_field: wai wat, they aren't presently warehoused there ?

16:55:49 mircea_popescu: exactly.

16:57:44 mircea_popescu: but yes, re the smarts bit : what distinguishes an agent undercover in shit from a housewife made out of straight shit, is that the former has, however tenuous, however rare, a place to speak the truth straight. radically so, as the case may be.

16:58:03 mircea_popescu: and the fact that there's someone else at the end of the line, not merely listening but actively seeking that truth, is what drives the profession.

16:59:04 mircea_popescu: which is how and why the su had no trouble at all recruiting agents in the us. even though, in any sense of summary view, it made jack shit sense of some people living in abundence to confederate with some idiots powering the empire of ideologically driven poverty.

16:59:51 ascii_field: it made glorious sense

17:00:01 mircea_popescu: aha.

17:00:17 mircea_popescu: but only for this reason and no other.

17:00:37 ascii_field: needs no other.

17:00:42 mircea_popescu: myeah

17:03:44 mats: mircea_popescu: oh, some japanese thing? 'cute'?

17:04:09 mircea_popescu: it's not cute. it's sexually relevant helplessness.

17:04:38 mats: oh. well, she asked another employee for help, so i'm almost 100% sure it wasn't a play.

17:04:46 mats: ploy*

17:04:47 mircea_popescu: aok

17:04:47 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243924 << the one thing we're pretty much guaranteed not to see - like orwell's 'jingo with a bullet hole in him' - is one of the 'executive' twerps sweating in a cubicle, sleeping not-at-all-ad-libitum, living in a verminous flat with roommates

17:04:47 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 16:55:13; mircea_popescu: no, best is for them to marry usg twerps and live out the rest of their lives, warehoused in maryland.

17:05:13 mircea_popescu: ascii_field this purely psychogenic conviction of yours results from lack of exposure.

17:05:19 mircea_popescu: go, meet some of these "executives".

17:05:41 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: understand, my exposure happens every time i sit in traffic next to their mazeratis, and drive home past 100km of their mansions

17:05:47 mircea_popescu: wtf was that retarded movie hm

17:06:21 ascii_field: this picture normally fades into the background, as i've lived all of my adult life here in 'land of the warehouse'

17:06:46 ascii_field: but i have occasion to think about it whenever i hear mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: how 'they' are losing to 'us' in some sense

17:07:19 mircea_popescu: in every sense.

17:08:26 ascii_field: every sense but the ones available to my eyes and ears through the window ?

17:08:49 mircea_popescu: myeah.

17:09:10 mircea_popescu: your window experiment is perhaps the worstly conducted experiment in the history of b-a.

17:09:51 phf: <ascii_field> invalidates the iterator << wouldn't that just leave a map full of pointers to free'd memory, why would delete on an instance touch the container?

17:10:02 punkman: !up amiller

17:10:07 ascii_field: phf: try it. you get a segfault on the second free

17:10:32 phf: i don't even

17:10:47 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:13:08 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243953 << understand that naggum's point re: c++ being a language 'built and optimized by and for liars' is entirely true. what you see written on the page is not what you get! whole thing is built to lie to you.

17:13:08 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 17:09:51; phf: <ascii_field> invalidates the iterator << wouldn't that just leave a map full of pointers to free'd memory, why would delete on an instance touch the container?

17:13:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00072186 = 41.6874 BTC [-]

17:13:35 ascii_field: and, unlike most other languages (of the time), to lie in poorly-systematizable ways

17:13:52 mircea_popescu: you mean creatively ?

17:13:53 ascii_field: for your own good (tm) (r)

17:14:10 phf: first thing that came to my mind were naggum rants

17:14:20 mircea_popescu: in the end, it was not the ai lab and lisp that provided the best approximation of a computer companion.

17:14:22 mircea_popescu: it was C.

17:14:32 mircea_popescu: people have spent so much time enjoying the company of computers, for it,.

17:14:46 ascii_field: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html << canonical

17:14:48 assbot: Re: is CLOS reall OO? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTaUmz )

17:14:48 punkman: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hksre/blockstream_employee_asking_to_remove_gavin_from/

17:14:49 assbot: Blockstream employee asking to remove Gavin from Foundation. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTaVXQ )

17:15:12 mircea_popescu: yeah, who is that twerp again ? seems a rehash o\f the entire "twobitidiot" hangout.

17:15:27 mircea_popescu: and on a broader point ; post snowden, seems the usg added a new thing to their manual.

17:15:44 mircea_popescu: "new" anyway.

17:16:50 ascii_field: what part of this is new

17:17:09 mircea_popescu: the kneejerk, field-manual shape of it.

17:17:21 mircea_popescu: it's a very specific thing when a large body of idiots finally implements something for the idiots to do.

17:18:45 mircea_popescu: like the difference between a) linkspamming google and b) a bunch of "infoproducts" on "make money while you sleep" having been sold to the retard forums.

17:19:15 mircea_popescu: usg has democratized wikileaks!

17:20:36 mircea_popescu: "come to america - where coca cola has created christmas and the government has created democracy!"

17:21:49 chetty: you know its a waste of energy to hate on usg

17:22:13 ascii_field: chetty: i will have you know that all of my works are 100% hatred-for-usg powered.

17:22:36 chetty: :P

17:23:24 ascii_field: this is not ~strictly~ necessary - a professional exterminator (paid, as in orlov) can do his thing without emotion

17:23:29 ascii_field: but never an amateur one

17:23:41 ascii_field: who has to beg, borrow, and steal spare change for every mousetrap

17:24:26 chetty: now you are talking dream job, professional exterminator ...for gubermints

17:25:14 ascii_field: gavinspray included.

17:28:02 phf: make c++ object, object say "i live" in constructor, "i die" in destructor. put object map. run program: "i live. i die i die i die i die i die". wtf.

17:28:45 ascii_field: ahahahaha

17:29:09 chetty: gotta love c++

17:29:40 ascii_field: this is why it bugs me when folks (looking at mircea_popescu !) write 'c' and 'c++' interchangeably

17:29:42 phf: look, c++, i'm trying to investigate a specific issue, not travel down your rabbit hole of insanity

17:30:36 ascii_field: 'c', like a mule, will plod along and do a very predictable thing. cpp is like a gigantic sack of cockroaches

17:30:52 ascii_field: mule-shaped.

17:31:04 ascii_field: sorta walks if you kick it. sometimes.

17:31:36 jurov: predictable modulo undefined behavior

17:31:40 chetty: I just love that it does different depending on the weather, or where it calls home today

17:32:06 ascii_field: jurov: don't use the undefined. (note that i specifically said 'c', rather than 'unix' here)

17:32:32 jurov: oh cmon

17:33:02 jurov: even if you do something innocent like printf("%d", sizeof(stuff))

17:33:17 jurov: cmpiler is allowed to compile it to system("rm -rf /")

17:34:10 mats: ?

17:34:49 ascii_field: i'd love to borrow jurov's compiler

17:34:54 ascii_field: it would really liven up my work

17:35:04 jurov: sizeof returns size_t which may or may not be same as int.. and printf expects int here

17:35:14 jurov: hence, undefined behavior

17:35:27 ascii_field: nothing to do with c

17:35:33 ascii_field: but with unix

17:35:40 ascii_field: (of which stdlib is quite arguably part)

17:35:54 ascii_field: that is why i said, ~the language~)

17:36:40 ascii_field: and when a situation like this does come up, a civilized compiler (there is ONLY ONE known, gcc) ~will~ give you useful info re: types

17:36:45 jurov: in that sense std::map nor the boost stuff isn't part of c++, either

17:37:01 jurov: (just to split hairs)

17:37:09 ascii_field: now try getting similarly compact description in a cpp proggy re: e.g., the map issue.

17:37:30 ascii_field: jurov: my point was that cpp allows considerable variance between what is printed on the page and what the code actually generated is.

17:37:45 ascii_field: (sorta like c macros, but far less analyzable)

17:38:22 jurov: yes that is true

17:38:34 phf: map code in question http://paste.lisp.org/display/153933

17:38:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTdwkD )

17:39:30 trinque: phf: what, it's making sure it's thoroughly dead!

17:39:44 phf: but i'm not dead yeat

17:39:48 trinque: I feel happy!

17:41:03 mircea_popescu: <phf> make c++ object, object say "i live" in constructor, "i die" in destructor. put object map. run program: "i live. i die i die i die i die i die". wtf. <<< win

17:41:37 mircea_popescu: ascii_field what is this "why" ?

17:42:16 thestringpuller: https://blockchain.info/blocks/Slush << slush has gone to the darkside

17:42:33 jurov: trinque seeing the code i think it just copies your "a" object multiple times

17:42:47 jurov: and then obv destroys evey one

17:42:50 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:42:50 thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/08/no-xtcoin-support-committed-to-the-blockchain-yet/#comment-43373 << Slush's pool is now mining XT- blocks

17:42:53 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: which why

17:43:18 mircea_popescu: "write 'c' and 'c++' interchangeably"

17:43:52 jurov: trinque: if feeling like messing with it further, try adding copy constructor w/logging, or pass pointers/references instead, etc.

17:44:01 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> jurov: my point was that cpp allows considerable variance between what is printed on the page and what the code actually generated is. << to make it plain ; just because c let you push her into a corner once or twice (provided you bring sweets) doesn't mean they're not sluts mmkay ?

17:44:07 phf: jurov: not trinque

17:44:46 mircea_popescu: <trinque> I feel happy! << sounds to me like a cry for help. can we do anything for the gent today ?

17:46:16 trinque: oh its a monty python quote

17:46:27 trinque: how bout whiskey

17:47:03 jurov: in short, playing with c++ with objects oon the stack directly is asking to lose one's fingers

17:47:11 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'c' is more 'sex doll' than slut

17:47:14 jurov: ^ ascii_field's short explanation

17:47:47 mircea_popescu: aha.

17:48:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18641 @ 0.00068752 = 12.8161 BTC [-] {5}

17:52:14 phf: jurov: does c++ do a magic cleanup on its fields, or you have to provide a destructor that does things like if(field) delete field; ?

17:53:15 jurov: if you did field = new blabla() the yes

17:53:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31450 @ 0.00071419 = 22.4613 BTC [+]

17:54:23 jurov: if you did only field = blabla() then...idk :D

17:54:46 phf: hmm

17:54:49 punkman: "STL containers may copy objects around in the process of doing assignment"

17:57:37 phf: punkman: yeah, i added copy constructor on jurov's recommendation

17:57:50 ascii_field: naggum had a perfectly valid point re: cpp bearing much of the proximate blame for microshit code being what it is

18:00:31 danielpbarron: >> Slush's pool is now mining XT- blocks << thestringpuller, i heard the only did it to one block for the purpose of collecting some guy's 25 coin bounty. see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242984

18:00:31 assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 23:58:35; assbot: Block number 370434. First block with a version greater than 3 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpvtoU )

18:01:22 mircea_popescu: what danielpbarron said.

18:01:53 mircea_popescu: the entire "blockchain voting" thing is bunk of the first degree anyway, as the power rangered sponsored fiasco with the most recent fork shows.

18:04:39 trinque: not that it matters, but since I haven't been looking, I wonder if reddit has completely turned on satoshi by now, in favor of the power rangers

18:05:04 trinque: whereas they were before trying to argue that of course he'd support bigger blocks

18:05:15 trinque: really sad thing there, culturally

18:05:30 ascii_field: prolly 'signed or it didn't happen' ?

18:05:49 trinque: well, wouldn't we all like a signed message; however, the content is true in either case

18:06:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9860 @ 0.0007186 = 7.0854 BTC [+] {4}

18:06:16 mircea_popescu: no, more like "it says what i want to hear or it didn't happen"

18:07:01 ascii_field: as i understand, 'satoshi' is nor a moral authority, but a shotgun authority. and that shotgun is still locked in the safe, rusting

18:07:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36240 @ 0.00072174 = 26.1559 BTC [+]

18:07:12 ascii_field: *not a

18:07:39 mircea_popescu: a thing's not to be reduced to its last form.

18:07:43 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-07-2015#1203800 << see also

18:07:43 assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 22:27:33; mircea_popescu: ~that~ is what the hoard is for.

18:07:51 trinque: just struck me that the man who made this said the words "failed project"

18:08:01 mircea_popescu: trinque in the conditional.

18:08:04 trinque: certainly!

18:15:19 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i see. I wonder if that guy made good on the bounty.

18:16:04 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

18:16:45 punkman: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchuk/2015/08/19/black-arts-the-800-million-family-selling-art-degrees-and-false-hopes/

18:16:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4oH4q )

18:17:02 punkman: "Academy of Art University" how is this a name?

18:17:40 trinque: punkman: it's a filter; only the dumb pass through

18:20:16 ascii_field: punkman: classic usg expose. 'let's pick on a usgwot-marginal scamatron, deflect fire from the main ones'

18:21:48 ascii_field: other thing is, the 'art college of art' chumpatronic sector has been edging into competition with the officially-blessed prestige-sellers

18:21:56 ascii_field: and therefore have been marked for gassing.

18:22:25 punkman: "One of the biggest blows to the for-profit education sector came in April, when Corinthian Colleges, based in Santa Ana, Calif., shut down and filed for bankruptcy. At its peak it had 81,000 students across 111 campuses. It closed after the Department of Education fined it $30 million and cut off student aid because it had misrepresented job-placement rates at subsidiary Heald College."

18:22:43 punkman: misrepresented job-placement rates, ahaha

18:22:56 ascii_field: the ancient maxim, as retold by mircea_popescu, 'when hiring a psychic, hire the cheapest'. but the expensive psychic is liable to walk over to the cheapest and shoot the poor fella

18:23:12 trinque: in the next world, you'll have to say "lied"

18:23:19 trinque: they... "lied".

18:23:26 trinque: is that so hard?

18:23:42 ascii_field: thing about 'prestige market' is that 'art college of art' can make fraudulent claims of graduate employability just as well as, e.g., harvard

18:24:17 ascii_field: eventually the chumps notice that the cheap and expensive psychics 'tell the future' exactly equally

18:24:29 ascii_field: and the problems begin for the expensive soothsayer.

18:25:22 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1244081 << wake me up when they close mit, yale, stanford.

18:25:22 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 18:22:25; punkman: "One of the biggest blows to the for-profit education sector came in April, when Corinthian Colleges, based in Santa Ana, Calif., shut down and filed for bankruptcy. At its peak it had 81,000 students across 111 campuses. It closed after the Department of Education fined it $30 million and cut off student aid because it had misrepresented job-placement rates at subsidiary Heald College."

18:27:20 trinque: https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trump-says-14th-amendment-is-127077752761.html << fascinating. this may work

18:27:23 assbot: Donald Trump says 14th Amendment is unconstitutional ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4qpTm )

18:28:40 punkman: "In 2009 four former AAU admissions staffers filed a whistle-blower suit in federal district court in Oakland, claiming the school had illegally adjusted recruiters’ pay based on the number of students they enrolled. AAU, which declined to comment on the lawsuit, said in court filings that the compensation scheme was then legal under a “safe harbor” loophole because it also considered qualitative factors."

18:30:18 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4

18:30:19 assbot: The Doors - The End (original) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jrixid )

18:32:00 trinque: wow, in re-reading the lyrics, more relevant than I even intended.

18:32:33 shinohai: <3 The Doors

18:32:50 trinque: though I know it's uncontroversial at best, me too

18:34:00 lobbes: I've yet to meet someone that doesn't enjoy The Doors. great combination of musicians

18:34:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62100 @ 0.00071335 = 44.299 BTC [-] {3}

18:35:33 phf: ascii_field: i've tried reproducing the leak, but so far it looks like so according to my small test, mapTransactions.clear() should just work. http://glyf.org/tmp/foo.cpp.html there's a bunch of copy allocations that get cleaned up, but you'll notice when foo.clear() is called that picks up the leftover objects.

18:35:34 assbot: foo.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4rRoN )

18:43:35 lobbes: I wonder where the Trump stands on 'greencard marriages'; another loophole he'd have to close to make that plan work

18:43:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00069095 = 43.8753 BTC [-] {2}

18:43:53 lobbes: perhaps it's in his plan. I have yet to read it myself

18:45:15 ascii_field: phf: go, see. doesn't work.

18:46:42 phf: ascii_field: i believe you, just trying to figure out what might be going on

18:47:03 lobbes: !up ascii_field

18:47:18 trinque: if the 14th amendment were removed via another amendment, what of the descendents of slaves?

18:49:53 trinque: though I suppose he means something smaller, getting the courts to reinterpret it

18:50:01 lobbes: wouldn't their ancestors have been brought in the country 'legally'; i.e as property? good point though..

18:50:13 trinque: property yes, and not citizens

18:50:19 lobbes: hmm

18:51:21 lobbes: would be almost impossible to trace back lineage, I'd assume

18:52:14 lobbes: and then you add in all the owners banging their slaves on the side. it would get murky

18:53:54 trinque: you know, I find it sensible that he's focusing on Mexico as a threat rather than something like ISIS

18:53:58 trinque: as per various threads here

18:54:24 trinque: whether it's possible to solve that problme from the position of "US president" is questionable

18:54:37 mats: ISIS is an existential threat at this point in time

18:54:42 trinque: bullshit

18:54:57 trinque: they can knock down a few buildings at best

18:54:58 mats: if the caliphate is established, they'll have materialized as a real threat

18:55:02 trinque: if, sure

18:55:25 punkman: established how?

18:55:36 trinque: but what about pakistani nukes, what about etc etc

18:55:59 mats: ie, control of baghdad and damascus

18:56:51 trinque: the thing is, this has never been total war between the USA and Middle East

18:57:11 trinque: it's been trying to manipulate countries into this or that state with the military

18:57:25 trinque: if something poses an "existential" threat to the USA, what do you think will happen?

18:57:33 trinque: assuming sure, said USA is aware enough to see it

18:58:34 trinque: why didn't the chechens take over even after the USSR fell?

18:58:41 trinque: seems about the same size

18:58:55 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236430 << have you had a cigar? they are delightful

18:58:55 assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 22:12:55; Adlai: why smoke

18:58:56 funkenstein_: the "president" tv show seems mostly produced for foreign consumption, kinda like friends or baywatch

18:59:05 mats: USG will attempt to parlay another group into battle against ISIS

18:59:37 trinque: were I an ISIS, I would look for a large ally that was not the USA

18:59:52 mats: e.g. the kurds, shia

18:59:53 trinque: at that point I could believe that they're an actual threat, in that not they, but the actual other superpower, is a threat

18:59:59 trinque: no, larger

19:00:06 punkman: mats, aren't they already battling?

19:00:12 mats: yes.

19:00:13 trinque: or "wake me up when" they strike a deal with Russia

19:00:23 funkenstein_: forbes piece is nice in admitting the 1st priority of a university: real estate developer

19:01:06 punkman: funkenstein_: and they even have an antique car museum

19:01:30 mats: ISIS doesn't benefit from the allegiance of any nation state, and nor do i expect any to give it

19:01:31 trinque: mats: some kind of "muslim unity" thing against the USA could very well happen

19:01:46 trinque: I really don't understand this thinking, tbh

19:01:46 mats: their influence and wealth is transnational

19:01:56 trinque: and what of ICBMs

19:01:59 trinque: and all the rest

19:02:24 trinque: the USA has done total war before, even if it's been a while

19:02:30 trinque: let us panic about our demise a bit and see what ideas are palatable

19:02:43 funkenstein_: lol, yeah look at that 250 cars

19:02:50 mats: USG cannot afford total war, and they do not have the stomach for it, either

19:03:03 lobbes: ^

19:03:05 trinque: the us military will be the last light shut off, not the first

19:03:14 mats: ISIS merely needs USG to stfu, not die, to succeed

19:03:17 trinque: I don't buy any of that

19:03:22 mats: it'll die on its own

19:03:26 trinque: we have the stomach for the whole 20th century

19:03:47 trinque: die like Russia did I suppose

19:04:07 trinque: we'll lose ground but there's a vast difference there

19:04:16 trinque: and mind I'm not particularly thrilled at the thought

19:06:39 trinque: I would really like to understand this logic by which the entire US military vanishes, rather than at worst being handed down as an heirloom

19:06:45 mats: we'll see how committed NATO is to fighting ISIS when PMCs fail to take Mosul and a few F-16s get smoked

19:07:57 trinque: not what I was discussing, at least

19:08:26 trinque: whether or not ISIS controls Iraq is not the same question as whether they can destroy the United States

19:09:13 funkenstein_: trinque, one possibility: if no more paycheck people will just walk away, sell off the gear

19:09:34 trinque: am I wrong in understanding that there is still a considerable Russian military?

19:09:39 trinque: despite 91?

19:09:47 trinque: what's different here?

19:09:58 ascii_field: trinque: petromarket

19:10:11 ascii_field: (ru)

19:10:53 trinque: the USA has its own oil reserves, many of which have barely been used

19:10:53 scoopbot_revived: Scratch http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/scratch/

19:11:04 trinque: and in an economic crash we'll stop crying about destroying the gulf to get at them

19:11:09 trinque: among other places

19:11:53 shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x2DFnGI9Ac <<< Nlame the jooz

19:11:54 assbot: Wikipedia - Israel is paying internet workers to manipulate online content - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jj52ix )

19:11:58 ascii_field: trinque: already old news

19:11:58 shinohai: *blame

19:12:07 ascii_field: trinque: the next major usg trend is 'demand destruction'

19:12:19 ascii_field: where useless mouths are jettisoned.

19:12:28 trinque: sure

19:12:34 ascii_field: (who? us.)

19:12:34 trinque: what I meant about the military being the last light turned out

19:13:26 mats: militaries require competent leadership. when i say existential threat, i do not mean ISIS will march on DC

19:13:30 trinque: if there is not a single man inside the us military who can figure out something to do with even fragments of the thing, wtf?

19:14:04 mats: given enough time, US generals will sell off parts just like SU did.

19:14:13 trinque: so russia's military is gone

19:14:56 trinque: I can readily see that usg is on life-support and fading

19:14:59 trinque: usm? not at all

19:15:04 funkenstein_: trinque, it has always been my assumption that such folks a) have the gold b) move the drugs c) controls m0 presses

19:15:15 trinque: and I would expect a military dictatorship period directly following the fall of usg

19:15:23 mats: usm, usg, and usd are liver, kidney, heart

19:15:43 mats: well, kidneys.

19:15:59 trinque: when in history did a vast military power not fragment into many pieces, and instead dissolve completely, leaving no trace?

19:16:17 ascii_field: 'no trace' is a tall order

19:16:19 mats: fragmentation is enough for us hegemony to be immaterial

19:16:31 ascii_field: thing is, 'usg' is bigger than washington

19:16:46 ascii_field: it includes every bit of brussels, stockholm, london, zurich

19:17:18 trinque: ascii_field: recall the convo about my family's farm with its gas well?

19:17:20 trinque: !up ascii_field

19:17:23 ascii_field: aha

19:17:36 trinque: and you were right, immediately a target in that environment

19:17:47 trinque: doesn't that apply to what USM would do generally in the aftermath?

19:17:59 trinque: secure access to the things it needs to operate first, then move on from there

19:18:05 trinque: this is precisely what ISIS seems to be doing

19:18:18 trinque: and isn't USM quite a bit more capable at this game?

19:18:31 trinque: given its whole mode in the 20th century was knocking countries over for their resources?

19:19:13 funkenstein_: you know just because we can put capital letters together doesn't mean they represent a coherently motivated thing

19:19:57 chetty: <trinque> given its whole mode in the 20th century was knocking countries over for their resources?// meme of renown

19:20:07 trinque: chetty: this is not what happened?

19:20:09 ascii_field: trinque: at a certain point, there is a phase transition. where life is no longer about u.s. army's 'access to necessary resources to operate' but instead col. schmuckson's access to his mansion and cocaine

19:20:16 trinque: I am referring more to the conflicts not necessarily declared wars

19:20:18 ascii_field: which can be easier in zurich than alabama

19:21:42 chetty: dont think it was really resources acquisition as it was expenditure, keep making war toys

19:21:59 ascii_field: !s churn inventory

19:22:00 assbot: 8 results for 'churn inventory' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=churn+inventory

19:22:28 trinque: http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081

19:22:30 assbot: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: John Perkins: 8580001045009: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jj6lye )

19:22:41 trinque: my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries

19:22:49 trinque: and yes, sure, also churning stock

19:23:07 ascii_field: trinque: have to understand that, to lizards, usa is also 'another country'

19:24:02 trinque: ascii_field: yeah, I see that point.

19:26:30 funkenstein_: on these topics i have found robert steele to be quite educational

19:27:23 funkenstein_: in fact this forum is a great example of his open source intelligence ideas

19:27:58 chetty: <trinque> my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries// great propaganda to make americans hate themselves

19:28:20 trinque: I see that.

19:28:22 trinque: and also it happened

19:29:34 ascii_field: countdown to 'it wasn't rape!!11 they LIKED it!'

19:30:00 trinque: white mans burden and all that

19:30:02 trinque: sorry indonesia

19:30:19 trinque: and as far as that goes, indonesians didn't fight it off, so life goes as it does

19:30:39 trinque: the point is I don't think anyone sits back and thinks about "what happens with the *other* space station"

19:30:41 ascii_field: trinque: they tried, with jp

19:30:42 trinque: the one with nukes on it

19:31:28 trinque: this all vanishes because somebody decided they wanted to do fundamentalist islam again

19:31:30 trinque: I don't see that at all

19:31:32 ascii_field: trinque: how about the other other space station? the one with 25 tonnes of trotyl and ball bearings

19:31:53 trinque: ascii_field: talking about projectile weapons?

19:31:55 trinque: sure

19:32:02 ascii_field: uncle al's orbital scrubber

19:32:07 trinque: ah yeah

19:32:42 trinque: one side of me sees decay, and the other that this coup in the USA has gone perfectly well

19:33:05 trinque: it depends on whether the command structure in the militaristic side is decaying as badly as the civilian side

19:33:19 trinque: last I checked US soldiers were astoundingly obedient

19:33:28 trinque: and rather well trained

19:33:39 ascii_field: trinque: the test of obedience is when the salary checks bounce.

19:33:43 ascii_field: not before.

19:33:53 trinque: the lowest guys already make postman wages

19:33:58 trinque: hell, lower

19:34:25 chetty: the only reason other nations didnt rape us is us had bigger stick, they happily rape each other all the time. Americans are not special and not worthy of special hates

19:34:58 trinque: chetty: that I readily grant

19:35:07 trinque: and to do otherwise would itself be a sort of exceptionalism

19:35:22 ascii_field: chetty: the anglos being the authors of the global rapeatron, with themselves at the apex, earned the hate.

19:35:31 ascii_field: starting with 1812 or so

19:36:11 ascii_field: the excuse of 'if we hadn't raped this chick, somebody else would have' is a nonstarter

19:36:34 ascii_field: 'don't do the rape if you can't do the ape.' (tm) (r) (ilkka kokkarinen)

19:36:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00068585 = 12.4825 BTC [-]

19:38:11 *: chetty just dislikes seeing the assorted memes of the libtards repeated without clarifications

19:38:51 ascii_field: chetty: the libertards are properly the 'repentance' arm of usg. what mr mold referred to as 'the cathedral'

19:39:32 ascii_field: the folks inviting properly qualified minority female disabled folks to come to mit and write thesis on history of oppression by evil white males

19:39:47 chetty: indeed, I don't do self hate and sore knees

19:39:58 ascii_field: chetty: but it's a mega-growth industry

19:40:10 ascii_field: why would the anglos ~not~ try to capitalize on their major asset

19:40:12 chetty: sadly

19:41:56 trinque: it takes no self-hate on my part to observe that the us raped and murdered throughout the 20th c

19:42:05 trinque: I can look upon that and sleep just fine

19:43:26 funkenstein_: mostly in north america

19:44:41 chetty: <trinque> it takes no self-hate on my part to observe that the us raped and murdered throughout the 20th c// please to point to a first world country that didnt?

19:44:52 ascii_field: the liberasts tend to overemphasize the simple, kinetic rape & murder of .mil

19:45:04 ascii_field: vs the more subtle but destructive 'international law' and financial pyramid

19:45:12 trinque: chetty: that misses my point; I'm contradicting the claim that it doesn't still have a massive, throbbing cock with which to do so

19:45:51 ascii_field: chetty: everyone else who is commonly accused, has a perfectly valid self-defense against anglos defense

19:45:56 ascii_field: (ru, de)

19:46:00 chetty: sure it does, it still has $$$ (as many as they can print)

19:46:23 trinque: how much is a stockpile of nuclear weapons worth?

19:46:29 trinque: at least 1 crimea

19:46:36 trinque: maybe half a ukraine

19:46:52 trinque: or some canadian oil

19:46:56 funkenstein_: most folks will pay you to take them away

19:47:08 chetty: it just turns into this gian finger pointing thing, and in fact I dont think we have a proper clue where those fingers should be pointed.

19:47:19 trinque: why are you bothering with the concept of blame?

19:47:28 ascii_field: funkenstein_: don't confuse the freshly-usgificated su republics of 1991 with 'most folks'

19:47:38 trinque: where all I'm saying is the 20th century's weapons are still there, and if the F35 doesn't work, this matters?

19:47:42 trinque: the missile launches work just fine

19:47:44 ascii_field: they gave up the goods in exchange for some usg lube for their raw anus

19:47:45 trinque: *launchers

19:47:49 trinque: !up ascii_field

19:50:57 trinque: china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat

19:51:36 trinque: this bias while understandable clouds the issue entirely

19:55:25 trinque: !up ascii_field

19:56:20 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1244293 << 'military threat', in usg parlance, means 'won't bend over immediately when asked nicely to assume buggery position'

19:56:20 assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 19:50:57; trinque: china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat

19:56:27 trinque: right.

19:57:06 trinque: and then in the other direction, denying them some particular goal == defeated

19:57:09 ascii_field: it also means, depending on circumstances, 'can't be bombed with slow-moving pilotless planes with impunity' or even 'might fire back if bombarded navally'

19:57:56 ascii_field: for instance, see how these folks pissed themselves with rage when ru wouldn't give up its sole warm water port just because washington asked

20:01:49 trinque: ascii_field: seems to go along with what I'm saying

20:01:59 trinque: USSR "fell" yet Russia was able to keep Crimea when push came to shove

20:02:17 trinque: USA might "fall" too

20:02:25 ascii_field: it remains to be seen if modern ru is ~actually~ sovereign

20:02:44 ascii_field: or if they shy away from shooting every harvard and yale graduate on their soil when the hour comes

20:03:26 *: ascii_field is not orlov and isn't paid by ru; hell, they won't even give him a passport

20:03:58 phf: ru did quietly close a handful of ngos, usaid being the largest of them.

20:04:33 ascii_field: but were the vermin turned loose to do new things, and loudly stink? afaik, they were

20:04:38 ascii_field: instead of being boiled for soap

20:05:01 trinque: its true, there's not nearly enough pressure yet to see which structures will stand

20:05:06 trinque: and not enough time passed

20:11:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81300 @ 0.00068375 = 55.5889 BTC [-] {7}

20:20:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5702 @ 0.00070349 = 4.0113 BTC [+]

20:29:10 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:29:18 ascii_field: the am leak is mega-lulzy

20:41:02 wilbns: Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct: https://medium.com/@wilbns/sovereign-credit-ratings-from-moody-s-fitch-and-s-p-will-soon-become-extinct-67c3e270f8a0

20:41:04 assbot: Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct. — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1hq4aPd )

20:50:51 shinohai: https://redd.it/3hkomb <<< wow that's just BALLIN right there.

20:51:25 shinohai: yay I made 59 cents today

20:52:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68300 @ 0.00072458 = 49.4888 BTC [+] {8}

20:57:42 mircea_popescu: heh

20:58:16 *: ascii_field browsing old phriends on am leak list

20:58:30 mircea_popescu: lol

21:00:10 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

21:01:10 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> and therefore have been marked for gassing. <<< the other thing is, they had been doing fraud on a scale not seen since the credit unions.

21:01:26 ascii_field: aha

21:01:36 ascii_field: and the lion will show hyena his place

21:02:53 mircea_popescu: incidentally, /me does not belive "for profit" education can be a thing. you can have for-profit amorous relaitons, something the us claims to be down on. you can't have for-profit education. it is a fundamentally unprofitable activity.

21:03:06 mircea_popescu: the only thing you can have is forcible rituals of passing, where the kids pay in flesh.

21:03:19 ascii_field: can have for-profit 'education' easily enough

21:04:55 mircea_popescu: how ?

21:05:12 wilbns: mircea_popescu: agree w/ what you are saying and would also add it's difficult to have for-profit healthcare as well

21:05:19 ascii_field: in usa, higher education is more or less a straight racket

21:05:25 mircea_popescu: difficult, but on the overall possible, i believe wilbns

21:05:35 mircea_popescu: ascii_field ah with the quotes. yes,.

21:05:45 mircea_popescu: surely. all fraud exists for profit, because why else.

21:05:54 ascii_field: can also be for 'profit'

21:06:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30843 @ 0.0007374 = 22.7436 BTC [+]

21:06:05 mircea_popescu: usually turns out to be.

21:06:06 ascii_field: ('spam like a pro in 21 dayz', 'make money in your sleep')

21:06:14 mircea_popescu: like the "money" the derp sending script output to fraudsters is making.

21:06:20 ascii_field: aha.

21:06:24 mircea_popescu: (got another one. 10 days now, that thing)

21:07:06 ascii_field: recalling barnum's canonical 'sucker is born every minute, and two to take him' - can also add 'and two hundred and twenty two to visit the spot next day and smell the farts'

21:07:16 mircea_popescu: the major challenge with the healthcare is keeping payments fair (which really simply means meaningful).

21:08:05 mircea_popescu: but i would propose the actual case study for healthcare economics is... roman firefighting.

21:08:11 mircea_popescu: made one guy very rich, at that.

21:08:56 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f1e335b0367c5d43b959c45ff26e85f6/tumblr_nq34b3NgnS1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg

21:08:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTAjNb )

21:09:53 mircea_popescu: (m l crassus, for the innocent)

21:12:58 mircea_popescu: and back to the blocks issue : i've had a number of tests on various platforms. it would seem that time to verify blocks does not in fact scale liniarly with the block size.

21:13:02 mircea_popescu: i have no idea why this is.

21:13:31 mircea_popescu: in any case, comercially available home computers do not seem capable to verify full 8mb blocks six to the hour.

21:13:59 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cache

21:14:03 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i, too, tested.

21:14:08 mircea_popescu: same results ?

21:14:09 ascii_field: (surprised?)

21:14:12 ascii_field: same result.

21:14:19 ascii_field: and can even describe why.

21:14:22 mircea_popescu: it might be the DISK cache, i guess

21:14:25 mircea_popescu: go ahead ?

21:14:25 ascii_field: mno

21:14:31 ascii_field: cpu l2 cache

21:14:35 mircea_popescu: oh for fucks sake

21:14:43 mircea_popescu: you're exactly right aren't you.

21:14:53 ascii_field: i am right because i have instrumented machines for this.

21:14:59 mircea_popescu: yeah.

21:15:02 ascii_field: (on other occasions, because my arse)

21:15:06 ascii_field: but in this instance, machine.

21:15:06 mircea_popescu: well...

21:15:10 mircea_popescu: larger blocks ain't happening.

21:15:26 mircea_popescu: forget everything. there's not going to be larger l2 caches.

21:15:28 mircea_popescu: probably not ever.

21:15:32 ascii_field: was there any genuine doubt in any genuine head that the mega-blox was a bullet for bitcoin ?

21:15:37 ascii_field: vs anything else

21:15:43 mircea_popescu: no, but that's a different issue.

21:15:47 ascii_field: a bullet's job is not to make mr kennedy's brain work better

21:16:00 ascii_field: but to help it explore the back of his car

21:16:01 mircea_popescu: imo it did make lincoln's brain work better than it ever had before.

21:16:02 ascii_field: and the asphalt

21:16:28 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-08-2015#1242340 << see also.

21:16:28 assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 18:45:59; ascii_field: the canonical: 'one day, a bullet hit stierlitz in the head. "a hollow-point, must be!", thought stierlitz, scatter-brained'

21:17:15 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: also expect usg-endorsed 'hardware accelerators' to come.

21:17:22 ascii_field: as for aes.

21:17:39 mircea_popescu: i would very much like to get better "humint" work put in.

21:17:46 mircea_popescu: the effort so far is unimpressive.

21:18:04 mircea_popescu: much cheaper than making a hw accelerator, too.

21:18:27 mircea_popescu: well... in the sense that finding a girlfriend is cheaper than building a submarine in the garage, at any rate.

21:18:51 ascii_field: for them, not expensive at all

21:19:02 ascii_field: it'll be rolled into the 2017 intel shitentium or whatnot

21:19:07 ascii_field: as a couplea extra instructions

21:19:23 mircea_popescu: it's not as easy as al lthat.

21:19:59 ascii_field: no?

21:20:19 mircea_popescu: well no, they gotta work.

21:20:39 ascii_field: in fact, now i recall that this is already happening

21:20:50 ascii_field: (the nsa elliptic curve memo)

21:21:12 ascii_field: it'll be in the next instruction addendum

21:21:20 ascii_field: may already be featured in currently stocked dies.

21:21:23 ascii_field: (undocumented)

21:21:35 ascii_field: mega-bestseller! 'quantum resistant!'

21:22:26 mircea_popescu: yeah but not really good enough

21:23:00 mircea_popescu: and no, they don't get to uise the "quantum" gimmick to push ecc against rsa. like they didn't manage the past three or four gimmicks.

21:23:04 ascii_field: good enough. it'll offload the scratch storage for the elliptic grind to dedicated sram

21:23:09 ascii_field: and avoid blowing cache locality

21:23:17 mircea_popescu: the time i consider changing off rsa is a time after i've taken a piss on the ruins of the white house.

21:23:32 mircea_popescu: hm. that may actually work huh.

21:23:56 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: recall, this is all in my burial notebook

21:24:06 ascii_field: because screwed around with 'what if bitcoind circuit' for a spell

21:24:11 mircea_popescu: in fact, making "intel the only way to run bitcoin node" is the biggest strategic gain usg can hope for atm.

21:24:20 ascii_field: ergo megablox

21:24:39 mircea_popescu: heh

21:25:02 mircea_popescu: "oh, they won't be really USED yet. we just want it for when intel finally comes out wiht the chip and we can push it - not before"

21:25:04 mircea_popescu: derp.

21:25:22 ascii_field: i suspect it's coming off conveyor as we speak.

21:25:42 ascii_field: in fact...

21:25:45 ascii_field: drumroll....

21:25:46 mircea_popescu: how does it feel, to have stuck so badly in so many clocks ?

21:26:02 ascii_field: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intelligent-systems/wireless-infrastructure/polynomial-multiplication-instructions-paper.html

21:26:03 assbot: PCLMULQDQ Instruction and Elliptic Curve Cryptography: Paper ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBsEd )

21:26:27 ascii_field: https://software.intel.com/en-us/node/503722 << more specifically

21:26:29 assbot: Elliptic Curve Cryptography Functions | Intel® Developer Zone ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBw78 )

21:26:41 mircea_popescu: "We are sorry, This PDF is available in download format only"

21:26:42 mircea_popescu: derp

21:26:52 mircea_popescu: why the fguck is it a html then!

21:26:58 ascii_field: ask obamitler.

21:27:57 ascii_field: http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/white-papers/polynomial-multiplication-instructions-paper.pdf << has ocr

21:27:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBBrn )

21:28:15 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3TZEFA7.txt

21:28:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBBYv )

21:28:17 ascii_field: ^^^

21:28:20 mircea_popescu: ty

21:29:46 thestringpuller: "Put Molly all in her champagne, she ain't even know it / I took her home and I enjoyed that, she ain't even know it." - Rick Ross

21:29:50 mircea_popescu: aha

21:30:52 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:31:21 phf: bitch, i mybe, i mybe

21:32:53 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they'll frame it as 'just like mining!' too. 'why did you expect to be able to use 2009 pc for a node!111 you wouldn't try to cpu-mine,' aha

21:33:04 mircea_popescu: heh

21:33:58 phf: ascii_field: hey, we won't even have to write an op_sigverify for qemu deployment, they'd do it for us

21:33:59 trinque: phf: that one's gucci mane innit?

21:34:26 trinque: I recall because that's what he said in response to asking whether he was guilty of w/e chargers

21:34:29 trinque: *charges

21:34:31 ascii_field: phf: qemu, l0l! then wait century for block verify

21:34:54 phf: trinque: hehe

21:38:48 mircea_popescu: i think he's being jew-funny.

21:41:09 ascii_field: re: intel: thing is, usg economizes. why con folks into using diddled cpu, if they can be persuaded to run winblowz 10 ?

21:41:27 phf: "what does it mean? -- not funny"

21:41:27 ascii_field: but the cpu will be pushed, yes. the design itself predates bitcoin

21:41:40 ascii_field: and is part of the overall 'diddled crypto' campaign since clinton

21:42:23 mircea_popescu: phf nah, it means, "told you they're going to lose the war - already out of bullets!"

21:43:08 punkman: http://www.shutdownify.com/

21:43:09 assbot: Shutdownify is shutting down ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTCG2t )

21:43:15 mircea_popescu: ascii_field well, a man can't really ask (nor should really ask) for more than to be on the wrong side of the major battles of his time.

21:43:23 mircea_popescu: give me a cato any day, keep all your cesars and pompeys.

21:43:37 mircea_popescu: lol punkman

21:44:19 punkman: "We knew when we started Shutdownify that its business model was risky, since many of our clients had already run out of money and were in the process of dissolving their companies."

21:44:58 punkman: YC should have acquired them :P

21:46:24 ascii_field: perhaps now mircea_popescu will buy an electron microscope.

21:46:41 ascii_field: the saving grace is that the crud is all hidden in plain sight.

21:46:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00068124 = 44.2125 BTC [-] {4}

21:46:47 mircea_popescu: not all, i'm sure.

21:46:58 ascii_field: plain sight in the sense that your dna is.

21:47:09 ascii_field: that it is not in a safe, in washington.

21:47:34 ascii_field: no need to burgle a general.

21:49:58 ascii_field: 'The PCLMULQDQ instruction Intel introduced in 2009

21:49:59 ascii_field: on the 45nm Nehalem processor was renamed the CLMUL

21:49:59 ascii_field: “Perform Carry-Less Multiplication” later that year and

21:49:59 ascii_field: appeared in the 32nm “Westmere” processor in 2010. The

21:49:59 ascii_field: CLMUL is used to perform the carry-less multiplication of an

21:49:59 ascii_field: integer quad word (2 – 64 bit integers). This is complemented

21:50:01 ascii_field: by six AES centric instructions. While the intended use of

21:50:03 ascii_field: the CLMUL instruction set is to improve the performance of

21:50:05 ascii_field: applications doing block cipher encryption in Galois/Counter

21:50:07 ascii_field: Mode (dependent upon finite field multiplication), the six AES

21:50:10 ascii_field: instructions are specific to accelerate the FIPS Publication

21:50:12 ascii_field: Number 197 standard. An important implementation

21:50:14 ascii_field: of these instructions includes AES-GCM (Advanced

21:50:16 ascii_field: Encryption Standard - Galois Counter Mode) where AESNI

21:50:18 ascii_field: combinatorial logic appears to have a large effect on

21:50:20 ascii_field: encryption speed. '

21:50:22 ascii_field: ew

21:51:00 ascii_field: fucking pdf

21:51:12 mircea_popescu: yeah at least /\/n/ / or something

21:51:12 scoopbot_revived: Shutdown Notice Startup Shutdownify Lastest Failed Startup http://qntra.net/2015/08/shutdown-notice-startup-shutdownify-lastest-failed-startup/

21:51:36 ascii_field: (original turd at https://www.verisigninc.com/assets/whitepaper-advanced-encryption-standard.pdf )

21:51:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqbKJz )

21:51:39 BingoBoingo: ^ Too good to pass up

21:51:46 mircea_popescu: lol that was qwik

21:51:55 mircea_popescu: did you also call the m,useum of modern art ?

21:52:01 mircea_popescu: a happening's happening!

21:52:18 BingoBoingo: Will later, once story is storied

21:52:46 BingoBoingo: In the hallowed halls dedicated to hallowed hall where songs were sang of songs once sang

21:53:14 ascii_field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLMUL_instruction_set << surprisingly readable overview

21:53:14 assbot: CLMUL instruction set - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqbTwB )

21:53:20 punkman: "Truth is, this service never quite delivered on their promise. When my last two startups closed shop, it took shutdownify over 3 days to process the first one, and the second was still a full two days to get up and running. At that point I could have just put together a page myself. It didn't help that they rewrote their tech stack from Ruby to Node even as they were trying to find customers. "

21:54:59 punkman: apparently it's a joke

21:55:03 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha WHAT STACK omfg

22:01:07 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:07:17 punkman: "1) make web app claiming to check if someone's deets were in the Ashley Madison DB 2) harvest this new list of philanderers to blackmail"

22:07:59 ascii_field: punkman: already done with the credit card scam thing

22:08:06 ascii_field: 'ismyccnumberstolen.com' or what was it.

22:08:34 punkman: what was it, "give me all your cc info so I can check if it's stolen?"

22:09:10 punkman: kinda a trope by now

22:09:34 ascii_field: ancient history.

22:15:52 ascii_field: ;;ticker

22:15:54 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 223.28, Best ask: 223.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 223.3, 24 hour volume: 127511.97948833, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 255.08, 24 hour vwap: None

22:16:11 ascii_field: classy

22:16:23 ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^

22:16:36 ascii_field: apparently, once was not enough ?

22:16:57 mircea_popescu: hm ?

22:17:03 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinfailed

22:17:30 bitcoinfailed: hows argentina

22:17:46 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they're at it again. because apparently didn't have enough last time

22:18:04 mircea_popescu: pretty dumb.

22:18:11 mircea_popescu: ascii_field not crossed yet or wut ?

22:18:17 ascii_field: not crossed yet

22:18:34 ascii_field: guess they decided that a very low resistor is safer than a dead short

22:18:52 bitcoinfailed: worse than romania or par?

22:19:59 mircea_popescu: argentina is slightly dumber than romania in 1960.

22:20:23 bitcoinfailed: you fall for doug casey's recommendation of the place

22:20:41 bitcoinfailed: and can you please get yourself a proper tailor? those bag suits look aweful.

22:21:12 bitcoinfailed: $1500 get you tailored suit.

22:21:22 ascii_field: http://orderbook.info << if believed - negative spreads all over the place

22:21:23 assbot: Orderbook.info - Realtime aggregated orderbooks from main bitcoin exchanges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqeVAX )

22:22:04 mircea_popescu: now how would you know that.

22:22:22 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i think this is good for bitcoin!

22:22:28 ascii_field: it's worth a l0l

22:23:08 bitcoinfailed: bitcoin going to $50

22:23:10 ascii_field: https://archive.is/CLrrY

22:23:16 ascii_field: snapshotted the 'crossed wires' for posterity

22:23:19 ascii_field: somebody deedbot it ?

22:23:41 ascii_field: 'cause historical graphs for spreads don't usually have room below the zero

22:24:12 punkman: ascii_field: that website is doing it's own thing

22:24:20 punkman: books have not crossed everywhere

22:24:26 ascii_field: punkman: almost certain

22:24:44 ascii_field: punkman: i couldn't possibly say whether it tells the truth

22:24:59 punkman: notice two exchanges, one on each side of table

22:25:09 ascii_field: but this particular gambit is working, mass sell floods (or simulacra thereof) pretty much everywhere

22:30:53 ascii_field: naturally, all of this is unhappening.

22:31:05 ascii_field: doubleplusunhappening.

22:31:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102450 @ 0.00068069 = 69.7367 BTC [-] {3}

22:32:20 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEoWSaM61NI

22:32:21 assbot: 70 Awful Displays Of Sexism On Fox News - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kwy5vF )

22:34:57 mircea_popescu: could have made it 69...

22:35:41 trinque: deedbot-: http://deedbot.org/negative-spread.txt

22:35:44 assbot: Orderbook.info - Realtime aggregated orderbooks from main bitcoin exchanges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwyfTK )

22:35:44 deedbot-: accepted: 1

22:35:56 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMyNpGgXAAA8IcF.jpg:large

22:35:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kwydvg )

22:36:49 punkman: not negative spreads!

22:37:04 punkman: more "arbitrage" derping

22:37:34 trinque: either way, title doesn't matter for zee bot

22:38:12 trinque: oh I see what that site does.

22:38:19 trinque: anyhow, was just responding to the request for deedbotting

22:39:00 mircea_popescu: bitcoinfailed that's all you got btw ?

22:39:12 mircea_popescu: i feel kinda scammed, those !up s go for like a bitcoin each iirc.

22:39:34 bitcoinfailed: eh?

22:39:53 bitcoinfailed: no i dont have much to say, i will occasionally read your musings on fraudsters

22:40:02 bitcoinfailed: just wanted to point out its time to lose the cheap suits

22:42:45 bitcoinfailed: you want something with high armholes so when you lift your arms the entire thing doesnt lift off your shoulders

22:59:47 mircea_popescu: lol. this entire "cheap suits" business has its comedic value. here's something you wouldn't know : while visiting here, ben_vulpes got to meet my tailor, on the grounds that we walked by his shop downtown and teh old jewish gentleman ran out to assure his dearly beloved mr popesco that his suit will be done in time.

23:00:27 mircea_popescu: on the other hand, we have yet another bleeting barn animal from anybarn, usa, derping impressively about things he's heard of, via movies.

23:00:58 mircea_popescu: it makes for a decent contrast, which i guess is what all humor comes from.

23:01:57 mircea_popescu: still, 6/10.

23:02:56 BingoBoingo: From pr0nogra[pher, to who uses MPEx, to Suits

23:03:20 mircea_popescu: all the many things reddit's expertise shines upon.

23:03:35 mircea_popescu: they really should, once they're done fix bitcoin, go bring democracy to africa or what was it.

23:03:38 mircea_popescu: the middle east ? i forget.

23:03:47 mircea_popescu: the country of africa & middle east.

23:14:46 scoopbot_revived: El Gran' Teatro Argentino http://fraudsters.com/2015/el-gran-teatro-argentino/

23:24:14 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> wake me up when they close mit << what, you mean THE PREMIERE something something INSTITUTION in THE WORLD!!! ?

23:24:14 mircea_popescu: what nonsense is this! what'd the world do!

23:27:38 mircea_popescu: trinque how do you know he means the part about immigrants and not the part about "the debt of the us shall not be questioned" ?

23:29:32 mircea_popescu: <mats> ISIS is an existential threat at this point in time << he has a point. isis would be the first state actually outside of us policy since soviet russia.

23:30:52 mircea_popescu: <trinque> seems about the same size << the chechens are about the same size. the us is in no sense the same size as the su when it fell. this theory can be readily verified putting the country through the equivalent of the 90s, which is coming regardless.

23:33:20 mircea_popescu: <trinque> the us military will be the last light shut off, not the first << looked at the budget past decade ?

23:33:34 mircea_popescu: the last light shut off is in the office of the guy giving free housing to "needy" voters.

23:35:03 mircea_popescu: <trinque> we'll lose ground but there's a vast difference there << nobody has any incentive whatsoever to be "american". it's not even vaguely an identity. you might wish to be texan, maybe, liek some soviets wished to be russian. but otherwiose, being an iowan or a californian or a wisconsinian or generally an american is the epitome of fair weather friends : for as long as it pays to do so and no longer.

23:35:44 mats: yeah seriously. the army, for instance, is being whittled down to nothing, which has been in the works since rumsfeld/bush

23:35:59 mircea_popescu: <trinque> I would really like to understand this logic by which the entire US military vanishes << the "entrie us military" long ago vanished. it now consists of boys playing video games and girls playing the tomboy. that is not an army, it's a psycho patient support group.

23:36:14 mircea_popescu: in no way different than any other mental healthcare hospital, except it's larger and per-patient cheaper

23:36:15 mats: idea goes: we fight moar proxy wars and don't need so much line infantry, so we'll employ doorkickers and hire out to palantir and academi for the rest

23:36:34 mircea_popescu: right. worked so fucking splendidly over that last siege

23:36:41 mircea_popescu: remember ? we lolled at it in these very logs.

23:36:57 mats: am curious to see mosul.

23:37:25 mircea_popescu: sorta like one's curious to see the 2006 F1.

23:37:42 mircea_popescu: "oh, schumy lost." ?! "haha-had you!"

23:40:23 asciilifeform: usg doesn't really need an army. just an internal gendarmerie

23:40:46 mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> trinque, one possibility: if no more paycheck people will just walk away, sell off the gear << exactly how it went in russia heh.

23:40:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform internal, as in, in your own head ?

23:41:01 asciilifeform: not the least.

23:41:28 mircea_popescu: neone's welcome to furnish his own skull as he sees fit.

23:41:31 asciilifeform: but also generally.

23:42:03 mircea_popescu: <trinque> am I wrong in understanding that there is still a considerable Russian military? << you are wrong in imagining there's any sort of continuity. present day russian military shares nothing at all with the one that ended, and is almost entirely putin's making.

23:42:17 mircea_popescu: much like the third reich military had no debts owed to weimar and generally was hitler's creation.

23:42:37 asciilifeform: nothing but ~80% of the materiel ? l0l

23:42:37 mircea_popescu: the future where russian military was like present day german military seemed the likelier eventuality in 1990.

23:42:56 mats: does usg have suitcase nukes?

23:43:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that old junk ?

23:43:11 asciilifeform: mats: they were Officially (tm) (r) abolished in '90s

23:43:13 mircea_popescu: what's next, "they use the same topsoil!!!"

23:43:34 mircea_popescu: <trinque> the USA has its own oil reserves, many of which have barely been used << so does nigeria. wtf argument is this.

23:43:43 mircea_popescu: "the woman has her own tits!!1" mmmyeah ?

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23:44:40 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> trinque: the next major usg trend is 'demand destruction' << i suspect this is what 2015 stalin would have called dekulakization.

23:45:03 BingoBoingo: Where is the editorial consistency?

23:45:10 mircea_popescu: of the... daily mail ?!

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23:45:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: demand destruction is, approximately, the dekulakization one does for folks who have nothing

23:46:06 asciilifeform: nothing, that is, but open mouths. so you - close them.

23:46:07 mircea_popescu: <mats> militaries require competent leadership. when i say existential threat, i do not mean ISIS will march on DC << it doesn't want or need to march in dc. all it conceivably might want is to pull a rotherham over at vassar.

23:46:12 asciilifeform: (typically - permanently.)

23:46:15 mircea_popescu: all those preppy white chicks probably make excellent harem slaves.

23:47:02 *: asciilifeform thought that mexico had this 'market' cornered in usa ?

23:47:06 mircea_popescu: <trinque> if there is not a single man inside the us military who can figure out something to do with even fragments of the thing, wtf? << you need to stop being racis.

23:47:29 mircea_popescu: what do you think a military is, some sort of a country club ? it exists to obey orders. the orders atm are on the line of "scoring officers' sensitivity to inane nontopics"

23:47:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mexicans are kinda lazy methinks. the arabs are more serious when they do it.

23:49:02 mircea_popescu: <trinque> and I would expect a military dictatorship period directly following the fall of usg << IF you can find a certain corporal in the army that will get badly defeated and who resents the coupla decades of peace which consist mostly of american teenagers being used as public toilets from rashapur to ankara, then yes, maybe, dictatorship.

23:49:09 asciilifeform: american collective immune system has been massaged on more or less nothing but 'arab' for past decade.

23:49:10 mircea_popescu: that's a big if, tho.

23:49:23 mircea_popescu: yes, but they have paradoxical reaction.

23:49:37 mircea_popescu: most teenaged girls' immune system had been massaged on more or less nothing but "boys" for millenia

23:49:48 mircea_popescu: the result being that behaviour in the walrus gif

23:49:53 asciilifeform: dedicated firmware in play there, no ?

23:50:00 mircea_popescu: where girl goes and kneels before anotehr woman's rapist to get some herself.

23:50:15 mircea_popescu: the firmware in question is both dedicated and ubiquitous.

23:50:17 BingoBoingo: I have as many connections form "subver" : "/Atdollar:0.10.2/" as XT nao

23:50:31 mircea_popescu: lol

23:50:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: question is, naturally, not 'whether rapist', but 'which'

23:50:53 mircea_popescu: notrly. where the hell is that gif

23:50:57 asciilifeform: .. biggest walrus? clearly not, that one lacked tusks, even.

23:51:06 asciilifeform: biggest penguin? no, walrus

23:51:29 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gif

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23:51:47 mircea_popescu: so, walrus is fucking a penguin. and one of those seagulls goes in front of it and exhibits itself for sexual use.

23:51:59 mircea_popescu: it had plenty of other choices, such as for instance, sitting around.

23:52:01 mircea_popescu: but...

23:52:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc, the behaviour is even more automatic and pronounced in certain fish

23:52:48 mircea_popescu: it's the most pronounced in humans.

23:53:03 mircea_popescu: orwell feigned-disgustedly called it "power worship"

23:53:31 mircea_popescu: but the notion the usian will put up any sort of resistence, to any sort of invader, ofany kind come from anywhere...

23:53:43 mircea_popescu: yeah, he would. like the woman puts up resistence. with her uterus.

23:53:57 asciilifeform: didn't we earlier 'there is no american' ?

23:54:00 mircea_popescu: whole fuckthing wouldnt' work too well if you just fell in.

23:54:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "usian" is a population. like the argentine cattle. not a nation.

23:54:17 asciilifeform: aha

23:54:32 asciilifeform: but let's say, texan ? also no resistance? caves in like france in ww2 ?

23:54:45 asciilifeform: uteri at the ready ?

23:54:52 mircea_popescu: texans would prolly ally with the invader if the invader bitchslaped california harsly enough

23:55:04 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?

23:55:15 asciilifeform: incidentally, re: the latter, this is not spoken of much in soviet or even modern times, but when germans invaded, the barber shops near the front were packet. with gurlz.

23:55:27 mircea_popescu: myeah.

23:55:33 asciilifeform: *packed

23:56:04 mircea_popescu: i'm sure they were all spies sent by stalin himself to lure the enemy into a false sense of confidence.

23:56:13 asciilifeform: quite

23:56:15 mircea_popescu: (i'm doing alf in b-a of 1939 :D)

23:56:27 asciilifeform: aha l0l

23:57:10 asciilifeform: it is interesting to read the jp rationale for not attempting invasion or even saboteur ops on the u.s. continent in ww2

23:57:14 mircea_popescu: <trinque> chetty: this is not what happened? << no, it is not what happened.

23:57:26 mircea_popescu: merely because the ww2 cost the us less than it cost europe does not mean it wasn't costly.

23:57:27 asciilifeform: summed up to something like 'there's three barrels per man there, and they will all point at us'

23:57:40 mircea_popescu: and generally, no involvement of us in anywhere to date has been economically productive.

23:57:44 mircea_popescu: iraq is still to this day a net loss.

23:57:54 asciilifeform: for country - loss

23:57:58 asciilifeform: for haliburton, lockheed ?

23:58:00 mircea_popescu: for the us.

23:58:00 asciilifeform: life itself.

23:58:17 asciilifeform: lizards != usa at large

23:58:40 asciilifeform: when their current host dies, they will decamp to wherever it is they have a welcome party

23:58:52 asciilifeform: (zurich? antarctica? who the fuck cares)

23:58:58 mircea_popescu: you can't build yourself a rich house as a fiftene year old stealing from your father and fencing the stuff.

23:59:15 mircea_popescu: they will decamp to the concentration camp.

23:59:22 mircea_popescu: just like - jews, in yurp

23:59:31 asciilifeform: how many rothchilds in the camps ?

23:59:32 mircea_popescu: another thing nobody really wants to talk aboot.

23:59:37 mircea_popescu: plenty.

23:59:47 mircea_popescu: for a while there you couldf even fuck one, for the asking.

23:59:50 *: asciilifeform hearing of this for the first time

23:59:52 mircea_popescu: they'd hold her down for you, too.