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00:00:37 Ademan: I can't wait until the absurd amount of funds on wallstreet join in the price rollercoaster

00:00:49 asciilifeform: why does anybody interested in btc need a 'fund' ?

00:00:56 asciilifeform: someone please enlighten me?

00:01:00 mircea_popescu: Ademan it's complicated.

00:01:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because the average american owns some bezzle called 401k

00:01:19 mircea_popescu: which he's not allowed to spend on normal nonbezzle items

00:01:25 Shakespeare: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/19/bitbeat-kncminer-flips-the-scrypt-sells-2-million-of-new-rigs-in-four-hours/?mod=WSJBlog

00:01:26 ozbot: BitBeat: KnCMiner Flips the Scrypt; Sells $2 Million of New Rigs in Four Hours - MoneyBeat - WSJ

00:01:27 mircea_popescu: should bitcoin get bezzle status, adelman problem

00:02:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, i know of this - one time got a new job and forgot to opt out, lost a few bucks into nevernever land

00:02:03 Shakespeare: above link pairs well with http://bitbet.us/bet/789/ltc-to-pass-25-on-btce-before-april/

00:02:47 Shakespeare: to bad that bet ends so soon

00:02:51 Shakespeare: too*

00:03:10 kakobrekla: not much game on ltc bets

00:03:10 Ademan: it's also a sufficient PITA to buy BTC (legally) and the average person *likes* investing in HerpDerp Corp, and are no doubt frightened by there being no CEO of Bitcoin to hate

00:03:35 Shakespeare: if you had LTCbet.us maybe more action

00:03:55 Shakespeare: of course AltBet.us would have to come first

00:04:01 Shakespeare: she's selfish like that

00:04:05 Ademan: crapcoinbet.us

00:04:14 diametric: theres ltc bombs if i'm not mistaken

00:04:30 kakobrekla: well i guess that is another thing you can build on top of bbet, on the fly exchange

00:04:43 mircea_popescu: ^

00:05:06 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that sounds like a good way to end up playing 'moldbug's chess'

00:05:18 Shakespeare: so you'd be okay with an ATC mirror that simply converted to BitBets?

00:05:44 diametric: http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/

00:05:48 asciilifeform: 'Imagine a chess game. Now, imagine a group of kibitzers watching the chess game. Now, imagine the kibitzers begin to bet on the game. The betting will create odds. The odds express each side's probability of winning. This is a prediction market. To turn this prediction market into a decision market, we say: could we get rid of one of the players, and just have the kibitzers play the game?'

00:05:52 asciilifeform: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html

00:05:53 ozbot: Unqualified Reservations: The Hanson-Moldbug debate

00:05:53 kakobrekla: ;;google moldbugs chess

00:05:54 gribble: Unqualified Reservations: The Hanson-Moldbug debate: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html; Overcoming Bias : My Moldbug Debate: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/my-moldbug-debate.html; Bruce Charlton's Miscellany: The Leftism of Mencius Moldbug: http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-leftism-of-mencius-moldbug.html

00:05:58 diametric: How is the market cap going to be determined in that bet?

00:05:59 kakobrekla: ah

00:06:22 diametric: oh wait it has a link in it

00:06:26 Shakespeare: the bet is over no?

00:06:56 diametric: Does Ripple count?

00:07:10 diametric: this bet seems super ambiguous

00:07:16 Shakespeare: the bet is closed man

00:07:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889 BTC [+]

00:07:28 diametric: Apparently I'm blind

00:07:31 diametric: as well

00:07:55 diametric: carry on

00:08:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]

00:08:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.619158 = 3.0958 BTC [+] {3}

00:08:32 mircea_popescu: diametric is super confused.

00:09:00 Ademan: mircea_popescu: is reddit's /u/MPOE-PR legit?

00:09:09 mircea_popescu: uh whassat ?

00:09:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.629622 = 3.1481 BTC [+] {3}

00:09:25 Ademan: http://www.reddit.com/user/MPOE-PR

00:09:57 mircea_popescu: ah, no.

00:10:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63010999 = 2.5204 BTC [+] {2}

00:10:22 diametric: more popescu clones

00:10:36 Ademan: diametric: *PR clones

00:11:00 Ademan: wow, AM1 is actually recovering

00:11:40 ThickAsThieves: what does recovering mean?

00:12:02 Ademan: whoa

00:12:12 ThickAsThieves: whoa

00:12:59 ThickAsThieves: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ --- Yes, now pays 2%, woot!

00:13:01 Ademan: well, it's been down to 0.4 iirc

00:13:03 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment

00:13:35 mircea_popescu: robertmcmillan ello.

00:14:10 ThickAsThieves: "Facebook Security Director Joins Bitcoin Startup Coinbase"

00:14:25 novusordo: neato

00:14:39 ThickAsThieves: from Wired?

00:15:01 mircea_popescu: robertmcmillan to speak you type in the little box on the bottom and hit enter

00:15:09 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves prolly.

00:15:14 kakobrekla: asciilifeform not sure how this correlates , explain ?

00:15:49 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: any kind of heavy machinery directly wired to a prediction market is, well... this.

00:16:18 ThickAsThieves: kako only suggested a conversion mechanism, no?

00:16:50 kakobrekla: correct

00:16:59 asciilifeform: not that it's a bad idea per se, just that the builder must be careful to avoid creating a situation where someone can lift out of his pockets by artificially steering the machine using a heavy bet

00:17:40 robertmcmillan: Hey Mircea. Sorry not used to this UI. How do I DM you?

00:18:02 ThickAsThieves: there's mor ethan one way to design such a thing for bitbet, so i could see a bad design being possible

00:18:23 kakobrekla: i see only one way

00:18:54 ThickAsThieves: well how do you handle payout in alts?

00:19:00 asciilifeform: roughly, fooling the system by betting in a particular way should always have -EV.

00:19:00 kakobrekla: but whatever, lets not get into that, someone should at least try to do it though

00:19:15 dexX7: Ademan: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438359.msg4816701#msg4816701 + data sheet "leaked" yesterday ... gen 3 is coming

00:19:21 asciilifeform: as soon as it has +EV under any conceivably-predictable circumstances, you're fucked

00:19:56 Ademan: dexX7: yeah, saw that, wasn't gen3 supposed to be out by this month though?

00:20:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think his idea was just "offer altcoin betting on bitbet, do alt<>btc conversion for your customers transparently"

00:20:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps i misunderstood then

00:20:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0035 = 0.1085 BTC [+]

00:20:37 asciilifeform: my impression was that he suggested coupling a bitbet-like apparatus to a trading bot.

00:21:14 dexX7: Ademan: well, tape-out was scheduled for end of january, but there was no delievery date published to my knowledge

00:21:15 asciilifeform: Ademan: where is the RAM?

00:21:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00634444 = 0.1269 BTC [+] {2}

00:21:38 ThickAsThieves: or, you could just only use the content and outcome of bitbet, and handle your own escrow of alts

00:21:42 Ademan: asciilifeform: RAM for what? SHA256 doesn't need much memory

00:21:51 asciilifeform: wait i thought this was ltc

00:21:52 asciilifeform: nm

00:22:08 *: asciilifeform should probably goto bed

00:22:45 dexX7: Ademan: additionally there are some who believe there was already a test run with the new chips and a reseller already promoted an am gen3 based miner

00:22:54 kakobrekla: the money flow nao is user->bbet->user, to implement alt you do it user->service->bbet->service->user

00:23:04 kakobrekla: where service is a proxy via exchange

00:23:43 Ademan: dexX7: I thought I read an update that stated Q1 back in december

00:23:59 ThickAsThieves: problem is you dont wanna convert it twice

00:24:08 dexX7: that was probably related to the tape out in january

00:24:08 novusordo: one of AM's previous resellers posted something about a new miner, with specs

00:24:14 benderp: robertmcmillan: welcome

00:24:20 dexX7: yea rockxie or so

00:24:23 novusordo: yup

00:24:30 deadweasel: also, why support alts?

00:24:41 kakobrekla: yes well i dont want to do the dishes

00:24:46 deadweasel: bingo

00:24:55 ThickAsThieves: many reasons deadweasel

00:25:01 dexX7: alts are great as testbed

00:25:08 ThickAsThieves: the easiest being, they exist and always will

00:25:25 ThickAsThieves: best not to pretend otherwise

00:25:26 deadweasel: and the admin work of shuffling them around is absurd

00:25:30 Ademan: ideally you'd accept every payment option possible to maximize your potential customers, really

00:25:48 deadweasel: shells, do you accept my shells?

00:26:04 ThickAsThieves: send them to my cryptsy wallet

00:26:07 novusordo: pls take my cryptoshekels

00:26:09 kakobrekla: yes, flapcoin will save bbet like bitcoin saved overstock

00:26:20 deadweasel: i didn't say shares, tat

00:26:21 dexX7: unrelated: http://xkcd.com/now awesome :D

00:27:24 Ademan: deadweasel: well show me the shell/BTC exchange so I can convert them to something useful for me and sure!

00:27:51 deadweasel: mtgox.com

00:28:17 novusordo: oh cool let me just deposit my shells aaaaaand it's gone

00:28:44 deadweasel: novusordo: you should start cryptoshekels.

00:28:54 deadweasel: give it away to your temple friends

00:29:01 Orion__: hello everyone

00:29:10 novusordo: wouldn't be too difficult

00:29:17 Orion__: i have a tiny little problem and i'm in need of an expert

00:29:28 deadweasel: stackexchange.com

00:29:31 benkay: what's going on Orion__?

00:29:33 mircea_popescu: Orion__ hi

00:29:36 novusordo: seems like everyone and their mother has a personal altcoin now

00:29:44 mircea_popescu: novusordo momcoin. not a bad idea

00:29:44 deadweasel: unfortunately so.

00:29:55 novusordo: so why not me too?

00:30:12 deadweasel: that is the question

00:30:28 ThickAsThieves: well Altcoin renders most altcoins worthless

00:30:37 novusordo: i'll create momcoin under a different pseudonym, and give it slightly different properties than cryptoshekels

00:30:44 Ademan: git clone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin && cd bitcoin && find -iname '*.h' -print0 -o -iname '*.cpp' -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i 's/[Bb]itcoin/CryptoShekels/g'

00:30:49 novusordo: so that i can pump both at the same time

00:31:59 mircea_popescu: novusordo there are people who consider themselves into various technical fields, such as buildingh

00:32:11 mircea_popescu: who go to specialised stores and buy tools on the principle that the tools are useful, and so why not buy some tools.

00:32:43 Ademan: novusordo: and I'll create MILFcoin to compete with momcoin

00:32:54 mircea_popescu: then milpcoin

00:32:57 mircea_popescu: miltfcoin

00:34:04 novusordo: Ademan: i see you're an altcoin design pro

00:34:29 benkay: Ademan: you missed the secret sauce with that one-liner.

00:35:40 Ademan: lol

00:36:03 benkay: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo: blog updated. look, ma! no bootstrap!

00:36:17 dexX7: what was your blog again, benkay?

00:36:28 benkay: although now the linespacing issue with footnotes is just that much more apparent.

00:36:31 benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com

00:36:34 dexX7: ah ty

00:36:49 mircea_popescu: lol i guess so

00:37:14 dexX7: kinda minimal design approach hehe

00:37:28 benkay: hue hue hue

00:38:23 mircea_popescu: anyone kept a copy of the s.dice contract ?

00:39:06 dexX7: shouldn't be one on mpex?

00:39:52 benkay: http://web.archive.org/web/20130502173747/http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE

00:39:52 ozbot: S.DICE last 5@0.00311776

00:40:34 benkay: mircea_popescu: may i post a copy of the s.dice contract on my blog?

00:41:09 mircea_popescu: go ahead if you have it

00:41:45 mircea_popescu: robertmcmillan ^ there's your link

00:43:27 dexX7: ic. weired

00:48:50 dexX7: nice, archive.org also archived the prospectus pdfs etc.

00:51:28 benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-satoshi-dice-contract.html

00:51:28 ozbot: The Satoshi Dice Contract

00:54:04 benkay: bonus side effect of ripping out the css and js from my site is how much more snappy it is.

00:54:16 benkay: not even gzipping, i'll bet.

00:55:22 mircea_popescu: aha.

01:00:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.0008149 = 10.6752 BTC [+] {2}

01:02:58 nubbins`: groan

01:03:04 nubbins`: you guys

01:03:15 nubbins`: it's like a competition to see whose website can look the shittiest

01:03:51 decimation: the irony of all this ukrainian nazi talk is that germans were in ukraine for a long time - they were forcibly resettled by Stalin http://www.geocurrents.info/place/russia-ukraine-and-caucasus/the-tragic-saga-of-the-volga-germans

01:04:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 152 @ 0.0034 = 0.5168 BTC [-] {3}

01:10:11 decimation: here's a link specific to ukraine http://www.lnu.edu.ua/personal/mdlviv/roboty/grmminor.html

01:12:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6200001 BTC [-]

01:13:02 decimation: In 1897, there lived 345 000 Germans in Ukraine, that was 4,2 % of the population. In 1911, there were 419 000 Germans. ... In spite of it, Germans played an important part in the Ukrainian culture life. Until 1914 many professors at Ukrainian universities were Germans.

01:15:51 SatoshiJack: Looking for players to test satoshijack.com (Multi-Player Blackjack) No client. Just Browser/HTML5

01:17:38 Ademan: "our custom JS exploit installs our malware for you!"

01:18:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05509978 = 0.1102 BTC [+]

01:27:27 diametric: hah...

01:31:01 antephialtic: what happened to S.DICE ?

01:31:16 Ademan: antephialtic: the SEC?

01:31:39 antephialtic: if MP thinks he's not breaking any laws, why would he delist it?

01:32:35 Ademan: He can afford a lawyer, maybe his lawyer informed him otherwise :-p

01:33:35 mircea_popescu: antephialtic it was delisted like a year ago

01:33:42 moiety: i sreepy, good mew all, whatever your timezone!

01:34:04 antephialtic: ah, nevermind then

01:34:34 antephialtic: mircea_popescu: do you find it curious that they were willing to accept BTC addresses as identification?

01:34:38 mircea_popescu: guy said he sold it out.

01:34:48 mircea_popescu: who ? satoshidice ?!

01:34:51 mircea_popescu: that's how it works.

01:34:52 antephialtic: no SEC

01:35:36 mircea_popescu: sec what ?

01:36:19 antephialtic: the SEC asked you to identify MPEx shareholders of S.DICE, and was willing to accept Name and address OR btc address

01:36:19 mircea_popescu: you know, just because i ask for x y z doesn't automatically mean i consider all of these "identification"

01:36:24 BCB: SEC has a blockchain parser with you names next to all the addresses.

01:36:49 antephialtic: makes you wonder just how far along they are on deanonymization

01:37:18 mircea_popescu: so far they have problems spelling their domain name and following their own regulation.

01:37:28 diametric: anyone have a particular cheap 5v buck converter module on ebay they've had not burn their homes down?

01:37:32 diametric: wait wrong channel.

01:37:34 diametric: though still applies.

01:38:01 Ademan: diametric: there's a buck converter that's intended to be a drop in for the 7805 actually, it's a bit pricey though

01:38:03 antephialtic: perhaps the SEC is inept, but there are other agencies in the US government that contract services from non-inept firms to do their dirty work

01:38:36 antephialtic: and the bumpkins at the SEC may have been given access to such a tool built by such a contractor.

01:38:39 diametric: Ademan: really? thats interesting, link?

01:38:46 mircea_popescu: antephialtic yeah, some dude was in chan last month.

01:38:49 Ademan: like, $10 pricey, if you want them for prototyping and don't summon too much blue smoke they're probably useful though

01:39:43 diametric: I'm just curious, the easiest ones I've seen have been the ti simpler switcher ones, but they're not at all a dropin for a 7805

01:39:49 antephialtic: mircea_popescu: let this be a lesson (not to you, but to us) on the importance of using techniques such as merge avoidance, coinjoin & coinswap.

01:39:53 [\]: mircea_popescu

01:39:57 *: mircea_popescu shrugs

01:40:02 [\]: why you gotta be harassing the nice sec lady?

01:40:05 BCB: antephialtic, have you viewed any of the SEC's workproduct pretaining to the pirateat40 case? It's pretty impressive

01:40:16 Ademan: "nice"

01:40:17 mircea_popescu: [\\\] well she wanted to be friends.

01:40:27 diametric: should have said tits or gtfo

01:40:27 mircea_popescu: you wanna be friends with me you gotta perform.

01:40:31 [\]: mircea_popescu: I forgot you don't play well in the sandbox.

01:41:05 BCB: That would be sexual harrassment

01:41:06 asciilifeform: sec, deanonymization << meta-nsa has patent, will be displeased

01:41:08 antephialtic: BCB: no, but I'm going to have a look

01:41:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they actually patent the secret shit too ?

01:41:40 BCB: antephialtic, I'll dig up a link for you.

01:41:50 antephialtic: BCB: found it on scribd already

01:41:57 antephialtic: BCB: http://www.scribd.com/doc/210845205/SEC-vs-pirateat40-2

01:41:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usa has an ancient legal device called 'secret patent'

01:42:07 mircea_popescu: i didn't know they still bothered

01:42:24 Ademan: diametric: you're not in ##electronics ? Anyways http://www.ttiinc.com/object/Murata-Power-High-Efficiency-Switching-Regulators-LM78xx-Pinouts.html actually *isn't* the one I was thinking of but it's the right idea

01:42:37 BCB: antephialtic, that is the motion for summary judgement

01:42:42 diametric: Ademan: i should join that channel, thanks.

01:43:08 asciilifeform: diametric: what v to what v ?

01:43:08 mircea_popescu: BCB what was so impressive about said "workproduct" ?

01:43:12 [\]: By the end of fiscal year 1991, the number of patent secrecy orders stood at 6,193. Many such orders were imposed on individuals and organizations working without government support. This number shrank for each fiscal year thereafter, until 2002. Since 2002, the number of secrecy orders has grown, with 5,002 secrecy orders in effect at the end of fiscal year 2007.

01:43:13 antephialtic: BCB: you have a link to the original complaint?

01:43:48 BCB: antephialtic, check this out: https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F27cadnJ.png&t=538&c=DOo6UCxJ5p8-eg

01:43:49 diametric: asciilifeform: realistically I'll be using it for 24V -> 5V, and something around 10-15W without any active cooling

01:44:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: getting your patent 'secreted' was once the ultimate crackpot 'street cred' (e.g. flanagan and 'neurophone')

01:44:07 BCB: antephialtic, here is the full history of documents: http://ia800904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.docket.html

01:44:15 BCB: these guys don't fuck around

01:44:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hope they did at least a dozen troll secretions/year

01:44:33 mircea_popescu: basic opsec anyway.

01:44:54 asciilifeform: afaik it's only ever done to zap potential competition of 'favorite son' dod contractors.

01:44:56 antephialtic: BCB: not bad

01:45:39 BCB: antephialtic, pretty impressive.

01:45:45 BCB: talk about following the money

01:45:46 asciilifeform: sha1 hash? wonder if those are legally binding

01:46:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda cool that bitcoin is immune.

01:48:42 asciilifeform: diametric: you might be able to get away with a re-purposed car->usb converter

01:48:59 asciilifeform: for the voltage buck

01:49:13 asciilifeform: barbaric, but you can get them by the dozen

01:49:17 diametric: yeah

01:50:26 asciilifeform: make sure it actually pisses out 5v before connecting anything valuable...

01:52:04 novusordo: i'm trying to figure out how to power my raspberry pi on 5V to send up in a balloon soon

01:52:48 *: novusordo looks at car->usb converter on corner of desk

02:03:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.0034 = 0.1462 BTC [+]

02:13:34 mircea_popescu: just add a bunch of cells neh ?

02:15:02 mircea_popescu: get 6 zinc-air together you have about 3 ampere-hour in there.

02:15:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'pi' needs 5.0v within 5%, if i recall

02:15:46 asciilifeform: hence his question about vregs.

02:16:05 mircea_popescu: to a large degree buttons are small regulating neh ?

02:16:24 asciilifeform: if only.

02:16:47 mircea_popescu: can't you get models taht are essentially draw-driven ?

02:16:54 asciilifeform: which is to say, they are, in the sense that a li cell that's been dead for decades will sometimes measure 3.0

02:16:57 asciilifeform: when disconnected

02:17:06 mircea_popescu: ie, they discharge at a given rate, you can alter their actual voltage by the resistence ?

02:17:25 asciilifeform: you can - this is called 'divider' - but it throws away energy

02:17:31 mircea_popescu: well yeah

02:17:47 mircea_popescu: but 6 x .9 = 5.4

02:17:51 asciilifeform: 'buck converter' is more efficient, in that it works by letting a cap charge to the desired voltage and then empty into another

02:17:53 mircea_popescu: you're only throwing away like .2 or sometyhing

02:18:13 asciilifeform: voltage dividers also have a nasty habit of non-linearity over current draw

02:18:15 mircea_popescu: or conversely 4 x 1.3 is just about 5.x

02:18:17 asciilifeform: work it out on napkin

02:18:44 asciilifeform: hence people buy 'regulators' - e.g. the ubiquitous 7805

02:19:10 asciilifeform: or, the slightly more determined, buy/build 'dc-dc' converters, of the kind described previously.

02:20:36 asciilifeform: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/imgele/voldiv.gif

02:20:47 asciilifeform: no need for napkin!

02:21:00 mircea_popescu: the internet saves paper.

02:21:04 asciilifeform: sure does.

02:24:54 antephialtic: mp: you are famous http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-19/gambling-website-s-bitcoin-denominated-stock-draws-sec-inquiry.html

02:25:32 antephialtic: think the SEC is going to learn about the Streisand Effect

02:25:33 mircea_popescu: was linked afore

02:25:53 mircea_popescu: uh, whatdid they try to delete ?

02:26:07 asciilifeform: http://www.intechopen.com/source/html/39326/media/image14_w.jpg

02:27:16 antephialtic: asciilifeform: when can I buy a cardano?

02:28:17 asciilifeform: antephialtic: there is to be a cardano at mp's party. if you really can't wait, you can come and buy that one.

02:28:28 asciilifeform: why the hurry?

02:29:35 antephialtic: I was recently looking into buying a hardware device for GPG signing and everything on the market looks pretty clunky. I stumbled onto the Cardano, and it seemed pretty well suited to my use case

02:30:03 asciilifeform: antephialtic: be so kind as to briefly describe your use case - for my enlightenment

02:30:45 antephialtic: have multiple machines that I want to sign emails from, some of which are not fully in my control (e.g. workstation owned by employer)

02:30:55 mircea_popescu: sounds like a winner.

02:30:57 asciilifeform: aha

02:31:10 asciilifeform: this is certainly one of the intended use scenarios, yes.

02:31:11 mircea_popescu: antephialtic ideally should be available to order late april.

02:31:45 antephialtic: cool, do you have any idea what the pricing will be like?

02:33:48 asciilifeform: mp proposed a tentative price at one point, but that was some time ago

02:35:05 asciilifeform: intent is for the product to be priced competitively vs. the state-of-the-art alternative (i.e. the traditional '90s laptop with linux/gpg in ROM)

02:35:43 asciilifeform: that is, the contrivance i assume everyone here is presently using in lieu of a cardano

02:36:58 asciilifeform: do not neglect to take into account what the substitute costs (incl. one's time)

02:37:24 asciilifeform: the old saw, 'xxxx is free if yer time has no value'

02:37:52 antephialtic: indeed. as long as the price is not obscene, I am willing to pay for convenience without sacrificing security.

02:39:15 diametric: It saddens me my get in wot is not of one generated with a cardano.

02:39:20 diametric: key*

02:39:36 asciilifeform: diametric: you do know that one can change keys in wot

02:39:56 asciilifeform: diametric: assuming, naturally, control of the previous key

02:39:57 diametric: asciilifeform: I swore you had told me you couldn't before.

02:40:08 asciilifeform: you can. it was buggy formerly

02:40:08 diametric: I must have misheard you

02:40:09 asciilifeform: and took ages

02:40:20 asciilifeform: i did mention that i tried and it croaked

02:40:29 asciilifeform: but two weeks later, there it was

02:40:33 mircea_popescu: antephialtic price won't be obscene

02:41:19 asciilifeform: diametric: afaik the only well-known, interesting place where key can never be changed is mpex

02:41:43 mircea_popescu: and even there... reg new key, push assets, good to go.

02:42:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i'm mistaken, this counts as buying a new subscription

02:42:18 mircea_popescu: aye

02:43:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like to imagine that it covers the cost of a girl etching the new key in a granite plinth

02:43:34 mircea_popescu: lol if it weren't a security issue i suppose i could make rings for people

02:43:34 asciilifeform: and tossing the old one in the reactor

02:43:39 mircea_popescu: like the superbowl

02:44:31 mircea_popescu: "Make no mistake that the US gov't already knows the real identity and location of MP."

02:45:06 mircea_popescu: mah real identitty o noes

02:45:36 diametric: I like the ones where you're not actually a person, but a group of individuals pretending to be a guy named Mircea Popescu

02:45:48 novusordo: didn't know about the cardano, interesting

02:45:50 diametric: and of course the one where everyone in this channel is you.

02:45:56 asciilifeform: bourbaki!

02:46:40 antephialtic: spoiler alert: MP = Satoshi Nakamoto

02:46:46 mircea_popescu: diametric that is actually pretty close to the truth of the matter.

02:47:04 mircea_popescu: various people doing my research for me, feeding me links and so on

02:47:34 mircea_popescu: actually come to think of it... i'm like kirk, if the bridge bunnies were actually useful

02:47:41 mircea_popescu: rather than telegenic

02:47:56 antephialtic: do you actually write the tweets?

02:48:11 mircea_popescu: well some are automated reposts from fraudsters

02:50:17 antephialtic: if you mind me asking, when did you first hear about BTC?

02:50:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00350002 = 0.1645 BTC [+]

02:51:27 mircea_popescu: early 2011.

02:54:08 antephialtic: well, good luck with the SEC business. I suspect it will bring you a lot of attention, releasing those emails has definitely already made some waves.

02:54:44 Duffer1: what's the plan if they attempt subpeona?

02:56:26 Mats_cd03: Can "I am Satoshi Nakamoto" be a thing?

02:56:35 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

02:56:35 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00079813 / 0.00080834 / 0.00081619 (2123197 shares, 1,716.28 BTC), 7D: 0.00079084 / 0.00081827 / 0.00089749 (8082472 shares, 6,613.68 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085022 / 0.0008982 (30740127 shares, 26,136.16 BTC)

02:56:45 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

02:56:45 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0008149 BTC [+]

02:56:46 Mats_cd03: A la Fight Club

02:56:59 thestringpuller: lol

02:57:39 antephialtic: I would actually buy the bitcoin glasses from the newsweek cover

02:58:23 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 it doth say there, mpex does comply with legal requests.

02:58:38 mircea_popescu: basically, there's two avenues open. you can make a legal request, or you can make a legal request.

02:58:53 mircea_popescu: to make a friendly request you gotta be friends. the path ot becoming friends is detailed.

02:59:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00366979 = 0.9174 BTC [+] {9}

02:59:09 mircea_popescu: to make a legal request you gotta make that legal request. i wouldn't presume to teach teh sec how to do that.

02:59:32 antephialtic: MP: it would have been way cooler if they had joined the WOT :-(

02:59:34 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 i don't see why not. i thought it already is, but more like "he is satoshi nakamoto"

02:59:41 mircea_popescu: antephialtic they probably will.

03:00:03 thestringpuller: WoT is open source no?

03:00:09 mircea_popescu: sure

03:00:11 thestringpuller: or at least nanotube 's gribble is

03:00:18 mircea_popescu: the two are distinct.

03:00:49 mircea_popescu: heh i got confused earlier. " you can make a friendly request, or you can make a legal request" is what i meant

03:01:02 benkay: no no it was much better the first way

03:01:38 antephialtic: besides, I don't think MP is the one in trouble here. Voorhees, on the other hand ...

03:01:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, i dunno why people are so touchy really.

03:01:55 mircea_popescu: but i do imagine it makes administerting justice in the us fucking impossible.

03:02:07 mircea_popescu: i dunno how cops can manage in that sort of poisonous atmosphere

03:02:19 thestringpuller: lol watch an episode of cops

03:02:39 Mats_cd03: if someone makes t shirts with "i am satoshi nakamoto" with a v for vendetta theme or ghost in the shell, i will be your first customer

03:02:48 antephialtic: police treatment in the US is very different depending on race and socioeconomic status

03:02:53 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` ^

03:02:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:03:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 700 @ 0.00047503 = 0.3325 BTC [+] {4}

03:03:12 antephialtic: if you are a white guy it is pretty much cheat mode

03:03:25 Mats_cd03: cops is a theatrical production

03:03:25 diametric: antephialtic: if you're upper middle class white guy

03:03:28 antephialtic: if you are black/hispanic you get hassled, constantly

03:03:45 diametric: poor white guys only fare a little bit better

03:03:51 antephialtic: agreed.

03:03:53 asciilifeform: people have this odd concept that encounters with police take place exclusively in traffic

03:04:28 thestringpuller: Mats_cd03: if you sell 6 shirts I'll do it

03:04:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well cause the us made the mistake of giving the cops squad cars

03:04:37 mircea_popescu: so now they won't ever get out of them if they can help it

03:04:49 asciilifeform: if they're 'the bullet with your name on it, not the shrapnel addressed 'to occupant'' - doesn't matter if you're black, white, martian

03:05:45 mircea_popescu: wait what ?

03:05:47 joecool: mircea_popescu: the bigger ones moved up to SUVs. more room

03:06:15 mircea_popescu: heh

03:06:41 benkay: Mats_cd03: google "i am satoshi nakamoto"

03:06:45 antephialtic: actually I have seen quite a few urban cops on segways.

03:07:00 mircea_popescu: jesus why is everyone so opposed to walking

03:07:02 thestringpuller: ;;google site: fraudsters.com mpex tech stuff

03:07:02 antephialtic: like a less intimidating version of robocop

03:07:02 gribble: MPEx tech stuff pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/mpex-tech-stuff; MPEx security breach pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/mpex-security-breach; MPEx pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/mpex/

03:07:03 mircea_popescu: walking is great!

03:07:06 asciilifeform: if i recall, there was a fed. gov grant for them to buy the machines

03:07:13 asciilifeform: accounted for a good fraction of the net sales

03:07:24 antephialtic: Dean Kamen must have had a friend in the DoJ

03:07:48 asciilifeform: 'poetic justice' - the idiot who bought segway corp. ended up driving his... off a cliff.

03:08:00 dexX7: says a guy who rides a horse in the desert ;)

03:08:11 asciilifeform: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39377851/ns/world_news-europe/t/segway-company-owner-rides-scooter-cliff-dies/

03:08:11 ozbot: Segway company owner rides scooter off cliff - World news - Europe | NBC News

03:08:33 asciilifeform: last words, 'noooooooo....'

03:08:34 mircea_popescu: hahaha i did not know that

03:08:37 mircea_popescu: weird. wild.

03:08:45 joecool: mircea_popescu: true story, I was actually stopped by a cop multiple times one day because I decided to walk to the next town instead of driving one day, he damanded to know my destination and I refused to provide him with it.

03:09:25 joecool: mircea_popescu: walking in the US is suspicious behavior

03:09:31 novusordo: \

03:09:35 mircea_popescu: nutty

03:09:39 antephialtic: In many parts of the US, especially the south, townships are designed such that walking is impractical and everyone must have a car

03:09:44 antephialtic: to keep the homeless away

03:09:51 novusordo: damnit, window focus

03:10:01 asciilifeform: many years ago, as a freshly graduated kid, i worked in a dreadful salt mine where one of the products was a military bot based on a segway with the top part sawn off.

03:10:06 asciilifeform: worked about as well as you'd expect

03:10:10 asciilifeform: 100% gov. funded

03:10:20 asciilifeform: they even had the audacity to... solicit donations from the public!

03:10:26 MisterE: joecool: living in the US is suspicious behavior

03:10:30 asciilifeform: 'help our beloved warriors in iraq'

03:10:49 joecool: MisterE: of course, though I intend to eventually move out

03:10:51 MisterE: lol asciilifeform

03:11:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did it produce ?

03:11:05 MisterE: joecool: if you can work remotely don't hesitate

03:11:16 MisterE: I left the US 8-years ago and never looked back best thing I ever did

03:11:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not afaik

03:11:44 joecool: MisterE: you're the second one who has told me that now

03:11:46 mircea_popescu: so where'you now ?

03:11:53 MisterE: mircea_popescu: no just a few billion thrown at a contractor, its a jobs program

03:11:55 MisterE: Asia

03:12:08 MisterE: joecool: I might have told you once in the past heh

03:12:25 MisterE: I recommend everyone with a head on their shoulders gtfo of US now

03:12:28 joecool: MisterE: did you own a VPN company for awhile?

03:12:36 MisterE: come live here where cost of living is so low

03:12:42 MisterE: no not me

03:13:01 MisterE: you can have western standard of living for a few hudred USD /month

03:13:17 antephialtic: MisterE: SE Asia?

03:13:18 antephialtic: Thailand is quite cheap, yes. Lots of security people there as well

03:13:26 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "This means that the physical machine which hosts the trading engine is not accessible directlyii from the Internet." <<< so if i were to vpn a machine with a private gpg key and send data over the wire (via some computer) I would never have to worry about the keyring being compromised? Or is the most effective way to sign/encrypt/decrypt/verify data on an airgapped machine then marshall it over v

03:13:28 MisterE: I was in land use planning and commercial development permitting

03:13:43 mircea_popescu: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-19/gambling-website-s-bitcoin-denominated-stock-draws-sec-inquiry

03:13:48 MisterE: antephialtic: yes my 'home base' is Bangkok

03:13:51 mircea_popescu: check out businessweek. an entire article, no links.

03:13:58 MisterE: lol

03:14:08 MisterE: such crap journalism these days

03:14:12 antephialtic: MisterE: have you ever been to Vang Vieng, Laos?

03:14:24 MisterE: I'm working on an idea to address that mircea_popescu

03:14:29 antephialtic: they don't wanna give mpex any pagerank

03:14:33 mircea_popescu: "SatoshiDice listed shares on MPEx in August 2012, according to an MPEx-affiliated website."

03:14:42 mircea_popescu: "SatoshiDice.com, according to a copy of the request posted on the website fraudsters.com."

03:15:44 mircea_popescu: basically, copy/pasted the bloomberg story.

03:15:53 MisterE: antephialtic: thats how they pronounce it but proper spelling is Vientiane, I have been there several times for visas but can't say I enjoy the place

03:16:07 antephialtic: Vientaine is actually a different city

03:16:13 MisterE: oh?

03:16:34 antephialtic: Vang Vieng is a party location. Went there when I was in college with a few friends. It's like heaven on earth

03:16:41 MisterE: I haven't travelled much in Laos there's not really much there heh

03:16:53 MisterE: oh I believe that, Laos can be lawless

03:17:05 MisterE: thats where TPB guys are chilling out

03:17:27 antephialtic: Anyone here in Japan?

03:17:46 joecool: mircea_popescu: waiting for newsweek's version

03:17:49 joecool: :D

03:18:08 antephialtic: er... newsweak

03:18:16 MisterE: also lots of drug gangs and chances for big problems if you wanter off the well worn path without a guide /friend in Laos

03:18:43 MisterE: It would be akin to walking around Can Cun back up away from the beach where the narco mansions are

03:18:49 mircea_popescu: joecool well, maybe they find some old guy named mircea popescu somewhere close to burbank.

03:18:52 MisterE: Mexico

03:18:52 antephialtic: yeah, probably not a good idea

03:19:18 MisterE: not for a fat whitey like me :)

03:19:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00374477 = 0.749 BTC [+] {5}

03:19:28 dexX7: spoiler: wired.com posts a story on sd + sec, too

03:19:31 antephialtic: off topic, but it appears MH370 has been found

03:19:33 joecool: mircea_popescu: if you look hard enough you can find any name in the US, someone named their kid Adolf Hitler a couple towns over

03:19:46 mircea_popescu: antephialtic where was it ?

03:19:58 mircea_popescu: "couch cushions"

03:20:00 antephialtic: "Australia Satellite Imagery Locates Two Objects That Look Like Parts of An Aircraft"

03:20:11 antephialtic: "Australia Prime Minister Says Search Aircraft Dispatched to Area, Expected to Arrive Soon"

03:20:28 mircea_popescu: Courtney Love claims she has 'found' missing Malays

03:20:32 antephialtic: no further info.

03:20:42 MisterE: WTF really?

03:20:51 jcpham: In her twat?

03:20:52 antephialtic: this is the WSJ. guessing somewhere in the ocean, however

03:20:53 MisterE: I was sure aliens snatched it out of the air :)

03:21:05 jcpham: Speaking of snatch

03:21:15 MisterE: ^ :D

03:21:22 MisterE: .bait

03:21:23 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6j21wU9Ce1rz4mcdo1_500.jpg

03:22:37 antephialtic: http://cdn29.elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-plane-tweet-elite-daily.jpg

03:22:48 antephialtic: fucking supermarket tabloids

03:24:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00378979 = 0.1516 BTC [+] {2}

03:30:38 Duffer1: http://www.coindesk.com/canadian-bitcoin-exchange-lose-100000-in-attack/

03:30:45 dexX7: businessweek also copy pasted "SatochiDice"

03:31:09 Duffer1: You gotta read how they compromised the exchange

03:31:42 asciilifeform: it's this crap - or, 'shall be delivered.' you are your key.

03:31:47 asciilifeform: gotta pick.

03:31:51 mircea_popescu: dexX7 funny huh

03:32:31 dexX7: "Using only the owner’s name, the thief was allegedly able to ..." wow

03:33:05 Duffer1: lmao

03:33:14 asciilifeform: 'At no point during the nearly two-hour-long conversation was the caller asked to verify his identity.' << by coughing up a magic number known to every spammer, aha right

03:34:00 mircea_popescu: "Rogers Data Centres told the Citizen that it is cooperating with the investigation, but that the security issue is not indicative of larger problems at its company."

03:34:01 mircea_popescu: derp

03:34:48 asciilifeform: at this point, these folks can be safely considered as lowered into goxerasty

03:35:00 asciilifeform: anyone who voluntarily does business with them is chumpatron fuel

03:35:02 mircea_popescu: now this is what i would like to see.

03:35:26 mircea_popescu: any hoster that does this, fined 100 btc. fixed flat fee.

03:35:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00359 = 0.1149 BTC [-] {4}

03:35:46 mircea_popescu: so everyone knows not to keep over 100 btc in hot wallets, and so every hoster has a serious incentive to do security.

03:35:48 asciilifeform: by all rights, 'fined' - by the users - 100% of their revenue

03:35:52 mircea_popescu: nah.

03:36:02 mircea_popescu: flat fee. you give away a server ? that'll be 100 btc.

03:36:06 mircea_popescu: story ends there.

03:36:08 dexX7: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Ottawa+bitcoin+exchange+defrauded+cyber+currency/9628321/story.html this is better. "Rogers said it has offered Canadian Bitcoins a “credit” as a result of the situation. Grant said the credit was nowhere near sufficient to cover the company’s loss and as a result his firm is contemplating legal action."

03:36:08 ozbot: Ottawa bitcoin exchange defrauded of $100,000 in cyber currency

03:36:53 asciilifeform: i can't really picture the local tyrant fining them. now, paying, on the other hand!

03:37:08 asciilifeform: 'here's $100k. lose yer coin'

03:40:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62999992 BTC [+]

03:46:36 ThickAsThieves: can someone please kill off businessinsider

03:46:41 ThickAsThieves: fukn useless

03:55:31 bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: you're right, the cardano isn't the holy grail. but teleportation still is. i've edited the article accordingly.

03:56:11 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: link fixed, just deleted that last / and it fixed itself. and i thought you'd like the art bit.

03:57:17 bitcoinpete: from citizen: "Canadian Bitcoins is the latest bitcoin exchange to be successfully targeted by thieves. Japanese Mt. Gox was forced out of business last month after hackers successfully infiltrated the exchanges’ security and stole as much as $468 million US worth of bitcoin." karpeles is a hacker now?

04:02:10 mircea_popescu: the press. what do they know.

04:04:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00081249 = 5.3624 BTC [-] {2}

04:08:42 joecool: the cardano seems ok if you can maintain physical security, it doesn't even try to stop an opportunistic attacker, i really don't see why it shouldn't have at least a simple auth system

04:12:49 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: so what's your internal debate on bitcoin for ccs?

04:13:06 mircea_popescu: huh ?

04:13:19 mircea_popescu: joecool but it does. you can destroy it.

04:14:08 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: 21:09:35mircea_popescu:the jury in my head is out on the entire topic of bitcoin-backed ccs

04:14:30 joecool: mircea_popescu: assuming i leave it out by accident to go take a shit or whatever, attacker can sign whatever he wants with it, i will know it happened later on when the signature counter is incremented but who knows what he'll have done by that time with my identity

04:15:06 mircea_popescu: joecool well so don't do that.

04:15:23 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete maybe it works out.

04:17:32 bitcoinpete: ah thought there might've been more there

04:17:52 mircea_popescu: notrly.

04:18:13 joecool: mircea_popescu: i figured you'd say as much, it does seem trivial though to echo a string into the device before key generation, have it set a default counter to 3, and require that same string to be passed to the device in order to activate signing function

04:18:36 joecool: mircea_popescu: when counter hits zero cannot sign anything, need to nuke and generate new keys

04:18:52 mircea_popescu: what if you accidentally leave the string in paste buffer or w/e

04:19:24 joecool: mircea_popescu: don't do that?

04:19:38 mircea_popescu: so you see my point.

04:20:14 mircea_popescu: device is designed to fight enemy not user.

04:20:15 joecool: mircea_popescu: except the secret is worthless without the token, if someone had that secret they'd still need physical possession of the device

04:20:46 joecool: ie. if you did leave your unlock key on a public computer it wouldn't matter unless the attacker also held your device

04:21:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05697271 = 0.6267 BTC [+] {4}

04:21:49 dexX7: bitcoinpete> from citizen: ... where's that from? labeling historical btc losses in current exchange rate is stupid fud

04:22:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.057 = 0.342 BTC [+]

04:23:35 bitcoinpete: dexX7: from the article you linked, second page

04:24:12 bitcoinpete: like mp said… that's press for ya

04:24:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.057 = 0.399 BTC [+]

04:24:50 dexX7: yea it's ridiculous

04:26:06 bitcoinpete: at least the canadian bitcoins guy had someone to blame, the flexcoin guy was just like "oops, what happened? peace up, a-town down"

04:26:54 joecool: ideally you'd be able to jam a pin in directly on the device to activate it but this increases cost and size substantially

04:27:04 joecool: but it's probably best to never sleep

04:27:17 novusordo: sleep is for the weak

04:28:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05800501 = 0.116 BTC [+] {2}

04:28:36 mircea_popescu: joecool so what if someone carries a pin ?

04:29:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.057501 = 0.115 BTC [-]

04:30:40 joecool: mircea_popescu: i meant a series of numbers not a sewing device

04:30:55 mircea_popescu: a

04:31:30 mircea_popescu: so put it in a safe when not in use.

04:31:55 joecool: mircea_popescu: that is not practical while traveling

04:32:38 mircea_popescu: why not ?

04:33:07 mircea_popescu: http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/high-security-portable-briefcase-safe-p-959.html

04:33:08 ozbot: High Security Portable Briefcase Safe by Corporate Travel Safety (Free Shipping) - Travel Safes - Co

04:34:00 bitcoinpete: "Our Blockchain wallet passphrase was 10 alphanumeric upper and lowercase characters but was not as strong as it could have been, with some similarities to our passwords used on other apps. " http://www.fr33aid.com/1511/fr33-aid-bitcoins-stolen/

04:34:51 joecool: mircea_popescu: bolt cutters to take it and shouldn't be too hard top open in in the right environment after

04:34:58 joecool: *to open

04:35:38 novusordo: carry lube and a ziplock bag

04:35:42 novusordo: store in anal cavity

04:36:09 mircea_popescu: joecool your usecase keeps shifting.

04:36:11 novusordo: might be inconvenient at times but one rarely gets robbed while relieving oneself

04:36:21 mircea_popescu: was this attack of opportunity while you take a shit

04:36:39 mircea_popescu: or is it someone with a fucking plasma cutter

04:37:12 joecool: heh, you're correct a briefcase safe will stop a casual attacker while I take a shit

04:37:34 mircea_popescu: anyway. ima be off for nao, so we can take shits in briefcases later :D

04:37:39 joecool: if it is missing while I am gone, I should be able to revoke the key in the amount of time it takes them to open it

04:37:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00081333 = 5.368 BTC [+]

04:38:20 MisterE: another example of an entire "news" story without a single link: http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/here-s-how-nasa-thinks-society-will-collapse-20140318

04:38:31 MisterE: like they couldnt even likn to the study?

04:38:59 joecool: still doesn't mean I think it's a great idea to ship a product without a convenient simple auth system (easier than carrying around a heavy armored briefcase), but yeah ttyl :P

04:40:27 jcpham: please add no shitting in briefcases to topic

04:42:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.00549999 = 0.5225 BTC [-]

05:04:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0037 = 0.1554 BTC [-]

05:09:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.0037 = 0.1887 BTC [-] {2}

05:12:59 BingoBoingo: Such lol Cog continues to lulz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5797428#msg5797428

05:16:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.0037 = 0.5735 BTC [-]

05:18:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0037 = 0.185 BTC [-]

05:28:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00081149 = 6.6542 BTC [-]

05:32:31 toffoo: first missed asicminer div today in over a year+

05:39:34 benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete hey frere if you need pronouns for me feel free to use my actual handle in the future

05:39:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:39:49 benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete or, you know, my name.

05:39:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:46:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.093669 = 0.281 BTC [+]

05:47:09 Duffer1: is Goat around? whatever happened to his physical litecoins?

05:47:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.093669 = 0.6557 BTC [+] {3}

05:48:02 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu is it bitcoins pl. noun and Bitcoin proper? or Bitcoins and Bitcoin?

05:48:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:48:18 benkay: BingoBoingo: is it bitcoins pl. noun and Bitcoin proper? or Bitcoins and Bitcoin?

05:48:50 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: I thought Smoothie had the physical litecoins

05:49:00 BingoBoingo: benkay: I'm still wrestling with that

05:49:09 Duffer1: he did, but Goat was going to do his own

05:49:30 BingoBoingo: I tend to thing Bitcoin the thing is proper, bitcoins the unit of the thing not proper

05:50:21 benkay: that's what i'm rolling with.

05:51:55 BingoBoingo: Reading the logs looks like I slept through the Journos

05:52:49 benkay: there wasn't much.

05:53:07 BingoBoingo: benkay: Like the new look

05:53:10 benkay: thanks

05:53:16 benkay: not quite there yet.

05:53:51 benkay: need to deploy some capital against the design to get it just right, but i've finally ripped out all the modern garbage.

05:53:57 benkay: nubbins` hates it, though.

05:54:11 BingoBoingo: Yeah, I killed my backgound image. Might make a more subdued version.

05:54:15 benkay: for good reason, too. while it's now free of the cruft, it lacks any actual aesthetic.

05:54:40 BingoBoingo: Eh, it has aesthetic benkay, the exact aesthetic the designers of the web wanted

05:54:56 benkay: (my colleagues would gasp in shock if they heard me opining about design)

05:55:09 BingoBoingo: lol

05:55:40 benkay: maybe not, though. i did a complete 180 on my personal image over the past four months as our firm has gained traction.

05:56:18 BingoBoingo: Well, things happen

05:56:24 benkay: went from 'scruffy *nix hacker' to 'well-groomed software shop operator and smug lisp weenie-cum-*nix-hacker'.

05:56:55 BingoBoingo: Maybe that is just the aging process

05:57:06 benkay: hush you

05:57:42 benkay: i have too much to do before i mature

05:57:42 BingoBoingo: Next step might be running open Genera in a VM as your primary operating system and depreciating the *nix things

05:57:55 benkay: oh if only i had the time

05:58:34 benkay: they probably won't allow me to make commits on the clock for much longer anyways.

05:59:06 BingoBoingo: Shit happens

05:59:54 benkay: maturation process etc.

06:06:28 BingoBoingo: Apparently I missed the discussion on US police

06:07:11 benkay: the current trend in behavior is to just toss your two cents in as you read through the logs, directed at the people making interesting comments

06:07:14 benkay: asynchrony!

06:09:08 benkay: linked 'counterparty selection' again today BingoBoingo.

06:09:14 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu For a few years now, Business Week has been a Bloomberg owned concern. Basically just pushing Bloomberg stories a bit shitter and a bit later.

06:09:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:10:01 BingoBoingo: benkay: Nice. I'm rather glad I reposted that because the first instance never got any traction.

06:10:11 benkay: what's the rush, anyways.

06:10:30 BingoBoingo: Oh, there isn't much of one.

06:10:33 benkay: slashdot, hacker news, metafilter

06:10:40 benkay: here today, gone tomorrow.

06:11:04 benkay: "traction". silly-con valley horseshit, i say.

06:11:17 BingoBoingo: Eh, I might actually be the only person who likes the new Slashdot beta

06:14:04 benkay: old man

06:14:58 BingoBoingo: The OpenBSD saved by MP got roughly 15x the views the Counterparties link did. The two slashdots were a valuable experiment in seeing the crowd's view of Bitcoin as magic savior of geeks versus a functional tool for use.

06:15:14 BingoBoingo: I dunno that there could have been a better way to get that information.

06:15:25 benkay: first principles maybe?

06:15:45 BingoBoingo: A Priori has severe limitions

06:15:51 benkay: slashdot, though.

06:16:09 benkay: and slashdot ca. 2014 at that.

06:16:23 BingoBoingo: It's nice, its familiar, and I understand the culture

06:16:47 benkay: i worked for one of the perl greybeards who built and ran the place for a while

06:16:49 benkay: brilliant man

06:16:54 benkay: exceptional technical manager

06:16:57 BingoBoingo: The only REAL change in 2014 is now Google's the Big Bad

06:17:16 benkay: har

06:17:40 BingoBoingo: As opposed to Microsoft.

06:18:33 BingoBoingo: The big underlying theme its whole run though has been people hating an OS by a company primarily concerned with making cruddy dev tools

06:20:00 BingoBoingo: I seriously can't get over how much better your site looks Benkay

06:20:11 benkay: microsoft's dev tools are pretty good is the funny thing about that statement

06:20:35 benkay: their os is utter shite, but their dev tools make it possible for the averagely-intelligenced to participate in the big corporate software development dance.

06:20:41 benkay: thanks, man!

06:20:44 benkay: i know it sucked before.

06:20:50 benkay: i also knew it then.

06:21:08 BingoBoingo: Well, comfortable they can be. They tend to just shit crap though.

06:21:08 benkay: and i appreciate that you all let me fix it in my own time, with only the occasional gentle suggestions.

06:21:23 benkay: "gentle".

06:21:55 BingoBoingo: Eh, I think when I was out friday someone I gave less gentle design suggestions to was trying to hunt me down when I came back to the logs

06:22:14 benkay: oh? i must've missed this.

06:23:04 BingoBoingo: They suggested a link as an example of how I could make my site look "better" I pointed out the linked site should die in a tire fire.

06:23:14 BingoBoingo: Turns out it was a site they collaborated on

06:23:24 benkay: oh yeah the bitcoin podcast

06:23:40 BingoBoingo: Or someshit like that

06:24:14 BingoBoingo: I dunno really why people try to force information into audio or video without offering the same in text anyway.

06:24:44 benkay: teh horror: http://imgur.com/Xxhskor

06:24:52 benkay: mhm.

06:25:09 benkay: babydoll wanted me to watch some maddow thing about god i don't even remember

06:25:27 benkay: upshot was "honey, if there's no text, and it ain't comedy, i ain't interested."

06:25:52 benkay: implicit due to previous conversations is the notion that america doesn't produce worthwhile comedy.

06:26:33 chetty: the trend to video for everything is awful. people to lazy to write/read :(

06:26:44 BingoBoingo: Well, Bill Murray aligns himself with the Usurper regime from chicago

06:27:12 benkay: it's downright baffling, chetty. take, for instance, the podcast noted above. how much more work is it to do that thing than to just write out one's thoughts?

06:27:35 BingoBoingo: chetty: My objection to the video and podcasting is that when I digest information on my own time I want to do it in an aesthetic environment of my choice.

06:27:41 benkay: i suppose that presumes being able to put one's thoughts into coherent words instead of babbling into a microphone.

06:28:03 BingoBoingo: Also some stuff can't be digested well from audio.

06:28:11 chetty: I like podcasts sometimes, listen while doing other stuff but mostly I'd rather read

06:28:11 BingoBoingo: Like the Kritik

06:28:57 BingoBoingo: chetty: A big problem with bitcoin podcasts is the voices of the presenters in many cases, just weren't meant to be heard

06:29:44 chetty: haha now thats true, and video - well they want my eyes and my ears??

06:29:59 BingoBoingo: Exactly

06:30:09 benkay: low information density to boot.

06:30:19 benkay: what's the wpm on a podcast?

06:30:21 benkay: a video?

06:30:23 BingoBoingo: There are reasons certain people get to be on TV and radio and others aren't

06:31:33 LordPutin: ^shameful person

06:32:08 BingoBoingo: Traveling among more and less rural Mid 'Murican shitholes it becomes clear the difference between a TV news crew in Quincy Illinois versus one in St Louis Mo or Chicago

06:34:38 benkay: https://cryptocrypt.org/index.php?topic=3835.msg12577#msg12577

06:34:39 ozbot: [2014-03-19] Facebook security director Ryan McGeehan joins Coinbase

06:35:32 benkay: (twist: it's goat!)

06:35:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0037 = 0.37 BTC [-]

06:35:57 BingoBoingo: I kinda want to make an account there to read the derp, but... I know they's boot me the first time I leaked some derp and prevent me from enjoying more derp

06:37:57 benkay: you don't have to have an account to read

06:39:25 BingoBoingo: benkay: They have a lot of non-public subfora it seems

06:39:36 benkay: ah

06:39:46 benkay: that's as may be, but the link i posted is derpy as hell on its own.

06:40:21 BingoBoingo: Yeah

06:41:05 BingoBoingo: Apparently to see the cool parts of the Derp though, you have to be vouched for and stuff. Like its some sort of Heavy Derp cartel

06:41:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00081119 = 4.786 BTC [-]

06:42:02 BingoBoingo: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/interviews-28/interview-with-patrick-volkerding-of-slackware-949029/

06:43:36 benkay: more derpy responsive horror: http://imgur.com/WEz8xpi

06:44:56 BingoBoingo: What the fuck is "peer coverage"

06:45:15 BingoBoingo: Unless it means a member of the House of Lords on the payroll

06:46:59 benkay: are you a slackware guy, BingoBoingo?

06:47:15 chetty: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57620394-1/malaysia-airlines-777-pops-up-on-craigslist-and-for-just-$70/

06:47:15 ozbot: Malaysia Airlines 777 pops up on Craigslist, and for just $70 | Crave - CNET

06:47:23 BingoBoingo: benkay: Not yet, but I'm contemplating playing with it.

06:47:30 chetty: for those needing more derp

06:48:57 benkay: stahp chetty stahp i cannae take na more

06:50:03 chetty: :P

06:54:51 benkay: does anyone recall the post where dr. forehead claimed that since he outperformed the scams he made money for his clients?

06:55:42 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu hey if you have it on hand i'd appreciate a link to where dr forehead claims that since he outperformed the scams he made money for his clients

06:55:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:02:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05675 = 0.1135 BTC [-] {2}

07:03:06 BingoBoingo: ;;google dr forehead

07:03:06 gribble: Chinese doctor builds new nose on man's forehead - Yahoo News: http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-doctor-builds-nose-mans-forehead-023520476.html; Chinese doctor grows new nose on man's forehead | Nation & World ...: http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2021921575_chinanosexml.html; Forehead Contouring - Dr. Jeffrey Spiegel: http://www.drspiegel.com/forehead-reduction- (1 more message)

07:03:16 benkay: mulhauser

07:03:25 BingoBoingo: That was disappoint

07:03:36 benkay: forehead reduction, though

07:06:04 chetty: wasn't that on bitcointalk?

07:06:50 BingoBoingo: chetty: It was

07:11:46 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5619550#msg5619550

07:11:47 ozbot: [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus

07:12:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.60325139 = 15.6845 BTC [-] {12}

07:13:09 benkay: ;;later tell toffo link to asicminer missed div dox pretty plox?

07:13:09 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:13:38 benkay: 796

07:22:51 toffoo: benkay about here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5798052#msg5798052

07:23:17 benkay: gracias, toffoo. apologies for mispelling your name.

07:23:37 benkay: additionally, this is visible on the 796 "exchange"

07:24:08 benkay: toffoo what is this "last week's mess" referred to below your link?

07:24:50 toffoo: i'm not sure

07:30:19 benkay: havelock has allowed people to abscond with funds? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430137.msg4766732#msg4766732

07:31:01 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu can has substantiation? http://fraudsters.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/

07:31:02 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:31:20 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu derp i mean https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430137.msg4766732#msg4766732

07:31:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:31:45 jurov: benkay, the VTX case comes to mind

07:38:29 KRS-One: .bait

07:38:30 benkay: jurov: would this be cavirtex?

07:38:31 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/94dbf9c6377ee05560242ea5eb011dae/tumblr_mgsxumUbRP1qiozs1o1_500.jpg

07:38:36 jurov: yes

07:39:30 benkay: ah ty

07:39:38 benkay: that man once tried to get me to build a thing

07:41:19 benkay: wow

07:41:25 benkay: wow wow wow

07:41:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61950241 = 2.478 BTC [+] {3}

07:45:59 benkay: best indicator of btc market tops

07:46:05 benkay: mpoe-pr's salary getting cut

07:48:40 antephialtic: mpoe-pr is definitely MP

07:48:49 antephialtic: the writing styles are too similar

07:49:44 antephialtic: Also: https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/0/AAAFoSL9yTdmE2e4_DanfiQ5uk_dIxS6rH4LdM3m2NlzKg/12/278996766/jpeg/32x32/3/1395306000/0/2/DIGO_00718_01_14.jpg/i8-tgdryiKA-RGrF0bqZp6kq1abmJlDkQ-02XKzQQ2E?size=1280x960

07:50:15 benkay: i like the theory

07:50:21 benkay: mp as total wizard

07:51:01 benkay: can stand up, operate, diddle wp blogs, options bots, automated gpg airgapped systems (!) , post all day on btctalk and maintain a presence in here

07:51:18 benkay: and still find time to post nudes constantly

07:51:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61951292 BTC [+]

07:52:18 antephialtic: MPEx is definitely a team of people. I think "MP" is the one on IRC, tweeting, writing trilemma posts, and posting on bitcointalk

07:52:31 antephialtic: but there's probably others that handle the money and coding

07:52:43 benkay: duh?

07:52:44 antephialtic: but I could be completely off base

07:52:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61951492 = 1.8585 BTC [+]

07:53:09 KRS-One: heh

07:53:53 BingoBoingo: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/weev-is-in-jail-because-the-government-doesnt-know-what-hacking-is

07:53:54 jurov: antiephialtic, MP does not post to trolltalk, the girl does

07:53:55 ozbot: Weev Is Still in Jail Because the Government Doesn't Know What Hacking Is | Motherboard

07:54:13 jurov: i have met her in person and saw her descend upon the talk with an ipad

07:54:27 antephialtic: fair enough

07:54:42 antephialtic: His name isn't actually Mircea Popescu is it?

07:54:43 BingoBoingo: antephialtic: Their writing styles aren't similar at all

07:57:09 jurov: antephialtic why not?

07:58:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0037 = 0.74 BTC [-]

07:58:08 antephialtic: jurov: It's apparently a very common name in Romania. I was under the assumption that the whole MP persona is a farce

07:58:27 antephialtic: unless some of you have actually met him in person and I'm just being dumb

07:58:39 benkay: ;;google fraudsters conference

07:58:39 gribble: The conference, second edition pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/; Energy Trilemma - World Energy Council: http://www.worldenergy.org/wec_news/press_releases/3797.asp; World Energy Trilemma: Time to get real – the agenda for change: http://www.worldenergy.org/publications/2013/world-energy-trilemma-time-to-get-real-the- (1 more message)

07:58:54 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1747048/plain/)

07:58:54 benkay: !b 4

07:59:41 jurov: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ i'm on one photo there, MP and Hannah (-the PR) are there

07:59:41 ozbot: The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

07:59:56 benkay: bah

08:00:21 chetty: hehe, so what is it MP is a crowd or MP is really all, I am confused

08:01:08 jurov: yes, half of this chan is MP

08:02:46 jurov: chetty but srs, you're on the first one too, no?

08:03:04 antephialtic: heh, OK. well that makes things a bit more clear

08:03:07 chetty: yeah :)

08:05:28 chetty: I just find all the theories about who and what MP is amusing

08:05:52 jurov: me too, i'm not disclosing anything further

08:14:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 491 @ 0.0037 = 1.8167 BTC [-]

08:15:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0037 = 0.6697 BTC [-]

08:19:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62987999 BTC [+]

08:54:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00080975 = 9.2312 BTC [-] {2}

08:58:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00373916 = 0.415 BTC [+] {4}

08:59:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 294 @ 0.00374239 = 1.1003 BTC [+] {8}

09:00:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 167 @ 0.00374873 = 0.626 BTC [+] {5}

09:01:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 452 @ 0.00378096 = 1.709 BTC [+] {5}

09:02:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07298985 = 0.3649 BTC [+]

09:03:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06299978 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2}

09:03:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07298985 = 0.3649 BTC [+]

09:07:10 MisterE: too soon? http://i.imgur.com/DjnfX0o.jpg

09:08:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07298987 = 0.292 BTC [+]

09:11:40 BingoBoingo: Good one

10:03:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 270 @ 0.00371053 = 1.0018 BTC [-]

10:35:02 hdbuck: !t h AM1

10:35:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.60000000 / 0.60949452 / 0.63011000 (87 shares, 53.02602309 BTC), 7D: 0.58000000 / 0.61138771 / 0.63900000 (482 shares, 294.68887585 BTC), 30D: 0.45000000 / 0.56692459 / 0.68000000 (3661 shares, 2075.51091245 BTC)

10:41:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.00353023 = 0.6178 BTC [-] {6}

10:42:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 575 @ 0.00352212 = 2.0252 BTC [-] {2}

10:51:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 267 @ 0.00378448 = 1.0105 BTC [+] {6}

11:27:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0038 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}

11:29:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8591 @ 0.0008097 = 6.9561 BTC [-]

11:32:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.056 = 0.616 BTC [+]

11:36:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.06560968 = 0.5249 BTC [+] {4}

11:36:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [+]

11:37:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06599999 = 0.132 BTC [+]

11:37:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-]

11:48:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 856 @ 0.00351692 = 3.0105 BTC [-] {13}

12:09:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.072 = 0.72 BTC [-]

12:11:07 mircea_popescu: ;later tell benkay i'd say Bitcoin is the name, like Coca-Cola, and bitcoins is the generic, like give me two cokes

12:11:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00379763 = 0.3418 BTC [+] {3}

12:11:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah i see.

12:13:16 nubbins`: Mats_cd03: i'll make you a shirt if you pay for it (how many times have i said this on irc!)

12:14:07 nubbins`: ;;later tell benkay i don't hate the look, i hate the fact that it's barely functional. ;(

12:14:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:14:39 nubbins`: ;;later tell duffer1 latest i heard is that there were unspecified production problems with the coins

12:14:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:22:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this shit out :

12:22:07 mircea_popescu: "I?m tired of university. I?m tired of having a fucked up sleep schedule, and studying. I?m tired of the fucking time I waste on the internet liking ironic meme pages and managing my facebook reputation, and shitposting on ylilauta.

12:22:07 mircea_popescu: I want to run away to Syria and become a fighter, or a pirate singing sea shanties, or a cossack in the Orenburg steppe, or to join a Chechen teip and steal horses from the lowlanders.

12:22:07 mircea_popescu: God damn it. Why is modern life so miserable"

12:22:14 mircea_popescu: dude wants to become a fighter!

12:22:29 nubbins`: heh

12:22:32 nubbins`: he sure thinks he does

12:22:49 nubbins`: "i'm tired of being a fighter. i want to manage my facebook reputation"

12:23:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-]

12:23:37 mircea_popescu: people with actual trench experience, under actual shelling, and all that will tell you that most noobs have this cry time

12:23:47 mircea_popescu: where they essentially go "i waaaaaaantttt my myyyyspaceeee"

12:24:03 nubbins`: whoever wrote that has a point, even if badly expressed. they want to stop being an utterly useless shitbag and do something "that matters"

12:24:22 mircea_popescu: course most of that happened before mothers were automatised away from the childrearing process, so traditionally it's noted as "i want my mommy"

12:24:23 nubbins`: not that a white kid getting killed in fucking syria matters

12:24:36 mircea_popescu: i doubt that's what it is, myself.

12:24:37 LordPutin: myspace is making a comeback they're implementing bitcoin wallets on their site now

12:24:46 mircea_popescu: mattering is not much of a general public sport.

12:24:55 mircea_popescu: they just want to be hurt. there's a difference between being hurt and mattering.

12:25:03 *: nubbins` ponders this over coffee

12:25:13 mircea_popescu: and it's overall a collapse into feminity (as it is women that mature over being hurt

12:25:31 mircea_popescu: men don't normally, but then again female is the default gender so if you vegetate for long enough you will start exhibiting feminine traits)

12:25:45 nubbins`: wait, is this why wizards grow tits?

12:25:49 mircea_popescu: prett ymuch yeah

12:26:04 *: nubbins` nods slowly

12:26:24 mircea_popescu: somebody linked recently a post about feral children in the romanian sewers

12:26:27 nubbins`: nod

12:26:30 mircea_popescu: and it observed that the girls look like boys

12:26:40 nubbins`: tough times

12:26:43 nubbins`: vs easy times

12:26:46 mircea_popescu: which is true. there is a lot of fludity in human gender, and it is a lot of a function of environment

12:26:47 mircea_popescu: pretty much

12:27:32 nubbins`: ah, the general malaise of western youth

12:28:11 mircea_popescu: the again maybe the guy is just trolling

12:28:12 nubbins`: who would have thought that a complete lack of meaningful adversity would have produced generations of useless shitbags

12:28:13 mircea_popescu: "Yesterday as I walked to the gym, I saw that all the treadmills were occupied by fatties. so I chose the stairmaster/step machine for a try. to my surprise I saw that you could set your gender only with two options! male and female! I was outraged because although I was assigned a male because of my very big dick I identify with leopard slugs which are hermaphrodites with penises on the back of their heads! so like an

12:28:13 mircea_popescu: y other anti cis activist I did nothing,finished my workout and just bitched on tumblr.it was as if I could hear Gertrude Stein saying..Bravo?Bravo?"

12:28:20 nubbins`: (lotsa people, that's who)

12:28:23 mircea_popescu: ^

12:28:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` now ask me where i found this guy.

12:28:44 nubbins`: general-malaise.blogspot.com?

12:28:55 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/xidiffmar-has-settled/#comment-98591

12:28:55 ozbot: X.IDIFF.MAR has settled. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:29:01 mircea_popescu: my blog, of course.

12:29:09 mircea_popescu: i experience the world through it commenting on my blog.

12:29:34 mircea_popescu: bettyclamp whoa! what a name! who are ye ?

12:29:38 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5619550#msg5619550 that ?

12:29:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:30:25 nubbins`: dr leering forehead really doesn't like you

12:30:52 mircea_popescu: im sure he doesn't like tits-pr. me... i'm an abstraction.

12:31:47 nubbins`: aren't we all?

12:31:52 *: nubbins` ponders this over coffee

12:31:58 chetty: I think those boys just want to grow up, and have no clue how to do it so they revert to 'go do violence'

12:32:18 mircea_popescu: MisterE yeah, "a study", no link. bs

12:32:35 nubbins`: chetty: well they're certainly not growing up at home

12:32:50 mircea_popescu: chetty while it's true that you could cook your pot of beans in the cinders of someone else's large party,

12:32:52 MisterE: indeed

12:33:01 mircea_popescu: if there's no large party by god you will hjave to gather the wood and strike the tinder.

12:33:44 chetty: yup, but its more than that, they have no clue what a grown is - never saw one

12:34:06 nubbins`: just wait 20 years

12:34:22 mircea_popescu: this'd be universally true of everyone tho. nobody has a clue what it's like before it's like...

12:34:56 nubbins`: everyone's a liberal until they get some money

12:35:02 chetty: well it kinda helps if you had a father - that was an adult

12:35:13 nubbins`: everyone's a conservative until they go broke ;(

12:35:39 nubbins`: chetty, +1

12:35:48 chetty: hmm not really nubbins' - Gates? Buffet? the rich guys speak much libtard

12:36:16 nubbins`: that's just lip service tho

12:36:30 nubbins`: gates is trying to soothe a guilty conscience

12:36:34 nubbins`: buffet is just trolling

12:36:44 mircea_popescu: everyone's a conservative until they become the richest guy in the valley, at which point their concern suddenly becomes "what if all these thirtysomething conservatives do what i do only better ? QUICK! TO THE LIBTARD MOBILE!"

12:37:20 mircea_popescu: nubbins` both are trying to make it so their "achievement" such as it is gets more and more difficult to replicate as time goes by.

12:37:25 mircea_popescu: it's really quite toxic.

12:37:44 chetty: kick the door shut behind you

12:38:07 nubbins`: what, making fat stacks isn't an achievement? ;D

12:39:38 nubbins`: speaking of achievements: moose sausage, hashbrowns, eggs, sourdough toast for breakfast

12:39:41 nubbins`: time to start cutting

12:39:55 mircea_popescu: trees, i hope.

12:40:19 mircea_popescu: he's a lumberjack and he's okay, he sleeps all night an' he chats all day...

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12:52:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00378879 = 0.2387 BTC [-]

12:57:27 nubbins`: wait, so doctor squishface lost 11% and is bragging that it outperformed?

13:04:04 kakobrekla: yes outperformed almost everything except for holding the coins in cold storage

13:04:21 chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/dropping-flies-largest-steel-maker-chinas-shanxi-province-defaults-cny-3-billion-deb

13:04:23 ozbot: Dropping Like Flies: Largest Steel Maker In China's Shanxi Province Defaults On CNY 3 Billion In Deb

13:05:21 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you read it here first.

13:06:34 mircea_popescu: "outperformed almost everythjing except for mpex stocks which we don't talk about because they suck because they suck because they suck because they have been outperforming all our retarded shit for three years straight now and mp is an asshole who fucks a lot of women and is currently paying one with a huge rack to humiliate us in public so fuck that shit mate!11"

13:07:00 mircea_popescu: forum investing in a dried spunk shell for you.

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13:14:03 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/u0gF5kB

13:14:03 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

13:14:05 nubbins`: ^ brekkies

13:14:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

13:18:13 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522977.msg5795202#msg5795202

13:18:15 ozbot: Crypto-Stock wont allow me to post a project`

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13:19:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.056 = 0.28 BTC [+]

13:20:15 mircea_popescu: thats a new one.

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13:21:48 blackwhite: morning peeps

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13:29:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dude wants to become a fighter << where'd you dig that one up?

13:30:34 ThickAsThieves: interesting how these device manufacturers are all backtracking on their plans for dualboot windows/android

13:30:41 ThickAsThieves: it's a horrible idea anyway

13:30:58 ThickAsThieves: but i wonder who's using what thumb

13:31:06 asciilifeform: lol. intel's porta-turd cancelled?

13:31:42 ThickAsThieves: a Huawei spokesperson says "at this stage there are no plans to launch a dual-OS smartphone in the near future."

13:32:08 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/14/5507784/microsoft-and-google-ruin-intel-plan-for-dual-os-tablets

13:32:08 ozbot: Microsoft and Google ruin Intel's plan for dual-OS tablets | The Verge

13:32:53 asciilifeform: pocket x86. because cell phones don't suck enough.

13:33:02 ThickAsThieves: http://www.itv.com/news/granada/story/2014-03-20/thieves-dig-50ft-tunnel-to-cash-machine/

13:33:02 ozbot: Thieves dig 50ft tunnel to cash machine - ITV News

13:34:12 ThickAsThieves: "These people had obviously spent a long time plotting this crime and I doubt they would have been able to keep their plans secret for all that time, without telling others about their elaborate scheme."

13:34:49 asciilifeform: [insert the obligatory 'idots cannot imagine competence in others' bit here]

13:35:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00428 = 0.428 BTC [-]

13:37:14 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/this-privacy-thing/

13:37:14 ozbot: This privacy thing… pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:37:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some dood commenting on fraudsters.

13:37:37 mircea_popescu: blackwhite ello

13:39:38 ThickAsThieves: i havent started reading past the journos pm part,

13:39:47 ThickAsThieves: but i pondered this yesterday

13:39:49 asciilifeform: why journarasts want to talk 'in private' is world's biggest non-mystery

13:39:50 nubbins`: i keep getting ughlol and that ninja fella confused

13:39:55 ThickAsThieves: when your wired convo wasnt posted in here

13:40:01 ThickAsThieves: it seemed out of character

13:40:04 asciilifeform: (so they can make up arbitrary turd and attribute it to the victim)

13:40:08 nubbins`: samurai

13:40:10 nubbins`: whatever the fuck

13:40:13 ThickAsThieves: so i assumed you were respecting his desire to not be scooped

13:40:22 ThickAsThieves: and maintain value in his work

13:40:23 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it is, really.

13:40:39 ThickAsThieves: i couldnt think of any other reason

13:40:42 mircea_popescu: i mean wasn't anything of much interest, i guess, and i'm trying to be hospitable/accomodating to the strange mores of these foreign peoples,

13:40:46 mircea_popescu: but it is fucking weird.

13:41:03 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yet the value of my work, as public as it is, far exceeds the value of his work.

13:41:09 mircea_popescu: i mean these people are what, in 1970 ?

13:41:15 ThickAsThieves: well

13:41:18 ThickAsThieves: you ARE a superior

13:41:23 ThickAsThieves: he works for one

13:41:25 mircea_popescu: there's been a digital revolution since, which they've been covering ad nauseam ever since hte days of the information superhighway

13:41:28 asciilifeform: they can't abide the idea of witnesses

13:41:30 mircea_popescu: what the fuck

13:41:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then how can what he says be useful or meaningful ?

13:42:04 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves to be flatly honest, i suspect these just aren't matters that anyone over there ever considered. at all.

13:42:14 mircea_popescu: just like nobody at the sec ever considered stuff.

13:42:14 ThickAsThieves: my website for my marketing business is a logo and an email address, yet i get voicemails everyday

13:42:29 ThickAsThieves: i get people saying they dont remember my email

13:42:43 ThickAsThieves: i get people wanting to mail and fax me things

13:43:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, and that'll go over so fucking well with me, i can see it already.

13:43:12 asciilifeform: haha

13:43:33 mircea_popescu: leah derpman is still "hiding for her lyf" and she didn't even talk to me, so well it worked.

13:43:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: surely this is not your first encounter with this species.

13:44:06 mircea_popescu: well no, but i never cared to think about these items before it seems

13:44:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remind me to tell you the icecream joke. it's one of my favs, but it has to be performed rather than told, so.

13:45:00 ThickAsThieves: i have a theory for at least a factor contributing to this behavior

13:45:04 asciilifeform: the one with brezhnev?

13:45:06 mircea_popescu: so write it up

13:45:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nop.

13:45:34 ThickAsThieves: well it's pretty simple

13:45:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]

13:45:54 ThickAsThieves: it's the same thing about people wanting to protect their ignorance from being true

13:46:06 ThickAsThieves: they dont want to LOOK stupid

13:46:07 mircea_popescu: i guess it must be.

13:46:16 ThickAsThieves: but it's okay to BE stupid

13:46:17 mircea_popescu: dude so you look stupid to a bunch of foreigners.

13:46:20 asciilifeform: lol poor receptionist

13:46:27 mircea_popescu: he looks stupid either way anyway.

13:46:40 ThickAsThieves: well the behavior is retarded,yes

13:46:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00085281 = 0.1706 BTC [-] {3}

13:46:47 ThickAsThieves: exhibited constantly nonetheless

13:46:51 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves basically "Privacy exists as a hiding place for the deviant, so as to have a space where his inadequacy to the rules isn?t directly, painfully or dangerously visible. At least within some limits there?s nothing wrong with that (but it does carry the seeds of insanity)."

13:47:12 ThickAsThieves: right

13:47:26 ThickAsThieves: because privately you are dealing with one counterparty

13:47:36 ThickAsThieves: this works both ways too

13:47:55 ThickAsThieves: because the person being interviewed may not protect himself in the same way

13:47:58 ThickAsThieves: as if he were in public

13:48:04 ThickAsThieves: he may let shields down

13:48:06 mircea_popescu: anyway, anonimity, privacy, these are categories amply disrupted by bitcoin i would say

13:48:24 mircea_popescu: symptomatically... the people who will most get raped tend to flock to it and do a bunch of ablutions pretending like it's the opposite

13:48:25 asciilifeform: journarasts fear real-time net witnesses in exactly the same way that mythological vampire fears sunlight and crucifix

13:48:36 asciilifeform: or a slug - salt. etc

13:48:38 mircea_popescu: "bitcoin will solve the problems of wealth inequality" like hell it will

13:48:46 mircea_popescu: "bitcoin is anonymously private" yea right, totally.

13:48:47 mircea_popescu: etc.

13:49:17 ThickAsThieves: like with ughlol, he knows you'd not value him more than he's worth in public, but maybe, just maybe, you take him a lil more seriously in private. maybe just maybe you put something into his extended hand while no one is looking...

13:49:23 asciilifeform: 'solve the problems of wealth inequality' is usually 'duckspeak' (see orwell)

13:49:50 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves amusingly, it's exactly the converse. in public he can stand symbolic, in private he can't be more than just himself.

13:50:01 nubbins`: journarasts!!

13:50:06 mircea_popescu: that's why it's not happening, when i talk to him here i'm talking to "aspirational 19yo indian kid"

13:50:07 *: nubbins` searches for a medal to pin on alf

13:50:13 ThickAsThieves: whatcha gon do /shrug

13:50:20 mircea_popescu: well apparently write abouyt it :D

13:50:49 ThickAsThieves: but then people might make fun of me!

13:51:02 mircea_popescu: yeah, let em.

13:51:36 ThickAsThieves: but without my id jerking off my ego, what's left?

13:52:25 mircea_popescu: srsly.

13:55:48 ThickAsThieves: what;s this? 1. He'd know.

13:55:52 ThickAsThieves: you raped jurov?

13:57:14 mircea_popescu: lmao

13:57:20 mircea_popescu: what are you, like new ?

13:58:01 ThickAsThieves: on occassion

13:58:39 mircea_popescu: it's a joke like we do on the internets,

14:01:21 ThickAsThieves: "Cryptsy is a disaster 10x worst than MT. gox waiting to happen"

14:01:23 ThickAsThieves: lol

14:01:27 ThickAsThieves: reddites

14:01:58 mircea_popescu: 1000x

14:02:02 mircea_popescu: what's in a number.

14:02:15 mircea_popescu: binary notation, 1000x is like 8x

14:02:33 Neil: mircea_popescu: "Rejection reason: Phrase it so you zeroconf on no." What does that mean in English?

14:03:04 mircea_popescu: you probably made a bet that the mod judged as having zero chances in hell of coming out no and you put your money on yes

14:03:28 ThickAsThieves: make it so the bet is not infinite

14:03:36 Neil: I don't think so. Who can answer definitively?

14:03:43 mircea_popescu: aite lemme see what's there

14:04:19 Neil: ThickAsThieves: What do you mean, not infinite?

14:05:48 Neil: Those where mod thinks it's too one-sided are usually rejected with some kind of "put substantial paid wager on XX"

14:06:25 Neil: Seems to be about the wording. But negative bets are not allowed, so worded it the way I did.

14:06:34 ThickAsThieves: Can't you just say, diff will not change more than 16%, then have a close date?

14:06:40 Neil: That's negative

14:06:47 Neil: That's what I wanted to say...

14:06:59 ThickAsThieves: diff increases will be less than 16%

14:07:19 Neil: Is the problem the word "forever"? If so happy to resubmit...

14:07:28 ThickAsThieves: well forever obv has to be removed

14:07:38 Neil: Other bets have had forever in them...

14:07:44 ThickAsThieves: ...

14:07:46 Neil: mircea_popescu: If you can confirm I'll redo.

14:07:47 ThickAsThieves: thats not a reason

14:08:01 ThickAsThieves: bitbet has made mistakes yknow

14:08:11 Neil: Hard to believe...

14:08:21 mircea_popescu: no, it does.

14:08:24 ThickAsThieves: the notion of forever being held within something with a life span

14:08:27 Neil: Dunno what zeroconf means as a verb

14:08:29 ThickAsThieves: absurd

14:08:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, this resulted from a interpretation of a moslty unrelated standing order i gave.

14:09:12 mircea_popescu: that aside, you can't have infinite bets.

14:09:19 Neil: So ok to resubmit worded more like TATs suggestion?

14:09:42 mircea_popescu: yeah, not more than x% by y should work

14:09:43 Neil: Don't wanna waste everyone's time if it's just gonna be rejected again

14:09:46 Neil: OK

14:09:47 mircea_popescu: and if it doesn't, we'll at least find out why

14:09:58 mircea_popescu: by now my shit is too complex for me to even say, and i don't even code ;/

14:10:16 ThickAsThieves: businessinsder doesnt even bother rewriting now "Editor's note: This post originally appeared last month on BitScan.com. It is republished here with permission from the site. "

14:10:23 ThickAsThieves: i guess it's an improvement...

14:10:44 asciilifeform: i don't even code << probably more first-rate heads have been ruined by programming computers than dope

14:11:01 mircea_popescu: you think ?

14:11:22 mircea_popescu: anyway the common encounter with runaway systematic complexity is for most people in computer programming

14:12:11 asciilifeform: i sorta run a blog about this, 7 yrs. now. and programmers come to tell me that i'm a barking madman

14:12:24 mircea_popescu: hehehe

14:12:26 asciilifeform: and that things are exactly as they ought to be

14:12:38 ThickAsThieves: i dont think it's the programming to blame

14:12:41 mircea_popescu: well that works out then.

14:12:55 ThickAsThieves: clarity and knowledge are a great burden

14:13:10 nubbins`: "runaway systematic complexity" << there's a dilbert character devoted to this

14:13:12 nubbins`: "the feature creep"

14:13:22 mircea_popescu: slightly different problems, these.

14:13:23 nubbins`: he's a quasimodo-esque figure with a bum eye and a tattered cape

14:13:28 nubbins`: "let's add a search feature" etc

14:13:37 Neil: Done thx

14:14:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` consider the case of, here's this woman and she'll do anything you tell her to do, and nothing else. at least as best she can help it. what now ?

14:14:06 asciilifeform: ('softwaresucks' tag on me site, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=23)

14:14:29 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: now i'm drowned in the minutae of keeping a human being alive

14:14:31 ThickAsThieves: neil you realize the next diff might be 16% right?

14:14:37 asciilifeform: i assume most folks have read, as children, tales of genies and wishes

14:14:40 mircea_popescu: so you try to cope with suddenly runaway complexity

14:14:45 nubbins`: talking her through breakfast so she doesn't choke on it

14:14:55 mircea_popescu: "you should brathe and do other normally, naturally occuring things. except not shit on the carpet"

14:14:55 nubbins`: http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Feature%20Creep

14:14:56 ozbot: Feature Creep on Dilbert.com

14:15:07 mircea_popescu: trying to make simple rules that work irl is...

14:15:11 mircea_popescu: well basically it's programming.

14:15:18 mircea_popescu: and more good cocks have been ruined by programming than dope.

14:15:23 asciilifeform: ;;google scanners live in vain

14:15:23 mircea_popescu: which has also been ruined by programming

14:15:25 gribble: Scanners Live in Vain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanners_Live_in_Vain; Scanners Live In Vain : Cordwainer Smith : Free Download ...: https://archive.org/details/ScannersLiveInVain; Scanners Live in Vain by Cordwainer Smith — Reviews, Discussion ...: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6147203-scanners-live-in-vain

14:15:29 mircea_popescu: cause it's wasted on programmers

14:15:32 mircea_popescu: or wait. what ?

14:15:45 nubbins`: my cock was almost wasted by programming

14:16:00 mircea_popescu: let us all program with our cocks henceforth

14:16:00 Neil: ThickAsThieves: Sure

14:16:08 Neil: ThickAsThieves: Very unlikely IMO; too late already

14:16:11 nubbins`: i managed to divert the beam of lethargy and focus it on my will to work an office job instead

14:16:23 nubbins`: which was, incidentally, vaporized instantly

14:16:29 mircea_popescu: derporized

14:16:46 Neil: But I've been wrong before. And I've put money on "Yes" so it might get it started.

14:16:49 nubbins`: and now i yammer on irc and wave my arms around a print shop

14:16:58 nubbins`: not a bad trade

14:17:01 mircea_popescu: just thing how much more you could have accomplished

14:17:05 mircea_popescu: if you also had tits.

14:17:32 nubbins`: just think of all the neckbeards and wizards i would've gotten to know

14:17:46 mircea_popescu: here's a sad commentary on the power of media, social or otherwise :

14:17:48 asciilifeform: this is not the first time i see 'wizards' mentioned in this context

14:17:56 asciilifeform: which wizards would these be ?

14:18:04 mircea_popescu: after three days of constant hammering of two different articles on fraudsters (the buffett and the sec), my third most read item ?

14:18:13 mircea_popescu: /2012/cum-se-suge-pula-ghid-pentru-juma-de-sex-oral/

14:18:16 asciilifeform: lol

14:18:21 nubbins`: https://www.google.ca/search?q=are+you+a+wizard&tbm=isch

14:18:24 mircea_popescu: aka, how to suck cock, a guide for half the oral sex

14:18:24 nubbins`: those wizards ^

14:18:37 ThickAsThieves: mp now you KNOW the SEC is watching!

14:18:37 mircea_popescu: basically nobody reads anything. they just click.

14:19:02 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that thing has been in the top 3 since i wrote it.

14:19:08 ThickAsThieves: cum? sex? oral? YES PLZ!

14:19:14 *: ThickAsThieves clicks 1800 times

14:19:18 mircea_popescu: i am probably responsible for more throat cancer than any other one man.

14:19:21 nubbins`: asciilifeform: herbi was borderline wizard

14:19:51 nubbins`: hm, i wonder...

14:19:53 nubbins`: ;;ud wizard

14:19:53 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wizard | Wizard. A 30+ year old virgin. James became 30 on February 2nd, 2012 and was still a virgin. He was now a wizard, and so he decided to post the definition on ...

14:19:54 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: wizard

14:20:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin'

14:20:43 mircea_popescu: i have no diea what that means

14:20:46 asciilifeform: http://everything2.com/title/Even+a+pigeon+has+a+pussy

14:20:47 nubbins`: #bitcoin-polyglots

14:20:48 ozbot: Even a pigeon has a pussy - Everything2.com

14:20:49 asciilifeform: explained here

14:21:03 mircea_popescu: finish. fucking language of what is it even doing here

14:21:13 nubbins`: with the subtle distinction that pigeons shit through their pussies

14:21:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` moar like polyclots amirite

14:21:32 nubbins`: hmm, +1

14:21:43 mircea_popescu: nubbins` "so do women if you're doing it right"

14:22:24 asciilifeform: http://everything2.com/title/Finnish+proverbs

14:22:26 ozbot: Finnish proverbs - Everything2.com

14:22:31 asciilifeform: for the connoisseurs among us

14:22:44 mircea_popescu: pity that finish guy never found this room

14:23:29 asciilifeform: 'Siperia opettaa.'

14:24:45 asciilifeform: http://everything2.com/title/Siberia+will+teach

14:24:47 ozbot: Siberia will teach - Everything2.com

14:24:47 asciilifeform: etc

14:26:11 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

14:26:11 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0008097 BTC [-]

14:27:06 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

14:27:06 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080623 / 0.0008116 / 0.00081619 (989731 shares, 803.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00079488 / 0.00082035 / 0.00089749 (7257034 shares, 5,953.37 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00084942 / 0.0008982 (29664412 shares, 25,197.56 BTC)

14:27:28 thestringpuller: lol that volume gets bigger and bigger

14:27:31 thestringpuller: (TWSS)

14:28:11 ThickAsThieves: some fodder http://coinchomp.com/2014/03/20/women-of-bitcoin/

14:28:16 Ghaleon_: lol

14:28:26 Ghaleon_: MP, haters gonna hate

14:28:57 ThickAsThieves: "We, as women, will play a very large part in the development of the Bitcoin economy and many of us will shape the businesses and services in the sector."

14:29:13 mircea_popescu: "will"

14:29:16 ThickAsThieves: "The majority of the women who will be entering the community will not be particularly tech savvy nor will they be traders, programmers or developers. They will be women like me. "

14:29:17 Ghaleon_: who saw that Putin speech, was damn awesome

14:29:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

14:29:35 mircea_popescu: o holy grama on a sitkc already. give her the stupid women post.

14:30:04 mircea_popescu: "o i am dumb lazy and fat but rather than learn to pole dance and add a modicum of value to this world i'll just post about how it's ok to suck for i am a woman and i want to ruin this word for humanity"

14:30:23 ThickAsThieves: the whole post is so horrible

14:30:49 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bout same no ?

14:30:53 kakobrekla: well, she does state she is a sewer. what do you expect other than shit.

14:30:54 chetty: geeze these 'girls' give actual women a bad name

14:31:02 ThickAsThieves: after she gets off her douchebox, she just splurges this over and over using duifferent words "There is something very special happening right now. Something I haven’t experienced before. It’s a renaissance of sorts. In this new space, we are free to create anything we want, any way we want. Innovation, entrepreneurship and creativity are abundant. "

14:31:45 ThickAsThieves: women! idea! community! joing our Google Hangout!

14:32:55 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol

14:33:11 ThickAsThieves: lol

14:33:17 ThickAsThieves: i just saw the sewer part

14:33:28 ThickAsThieves: it's so bad i wonder if it's a joke now

14:34:04 ThickAsThieves: "I am now writing for 2 online cryptocurrency publications – one of which I will be helping to develop, Bitcoinwoman Magazine – Africa ."

14:34:15 ThickAsThieves: ok i'll stop, like every line is awesome

14:34:24 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in loglandia :

14:34:25 mircea_popescu: "http://www.google.ro/search?client=ms-android-samsung&hl=ro&v=133247963&biw=427&bih=295&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=-fYqU72rIIfUtQbM3YH4CA&q=pizde&oq=pizde&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.12..41.5863.6525.0.15308."

14:34:39 mircea_popescu: if you are using a mobile phone this is what websites see about your thing.

14:34:47 LordPutin: itwas pretty good Ghaleon_

14:34:55 LordPutin: Putin is a true leader

14:34:59 mircea_popescu: that you were looking for pizde, that you're so-and-so string etc

14:36:48 Neil: .bait

14:36:49 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5dxm6G7na1qkv4ajo1_400.jpg

14:37:00 ThickAsThieves: "You've been invited to CipherTrade as you've got shares in CipherBond waiting for you!

14:37:01 ThickAsThieves: Simply visit CipherTrade, sign up and your shares will be automatically allocated to you."

14:37:28 ThickAsThieves: so katecraig, finally put to task to redeem her bonds, prays the market will solve things for her

14:38:21 mircea_popescu: so 2012

14:38:43 LordPutin: katecraig is really a guy tho

14:38:52 LordPutin: dont think he counts

14:39:27 ThickAsThieves: i like how she's opening trading before paying overdue divs too

14:39:35 ThickAsThieves: of course she's the only buyer in the market

14:40:31 mircea_popescu: well so lettuce guess what happens once some guy with a new york website sends cryptsy an email ?

14:40:36 mircea_popescu: or cipherwhat ?

14:40:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01920128 = 0.192 BTC [-] {3}

14:40:49 LordPutin: hisrealname is- Robert Hardy Craig-Wood

14:41:09 mircea_popescu: beahaha

14:41:13 mircea_popescu: such lulzy names srsly.

14:41:14 LordPutin: Known for It Entrepreneurship, Transexual activism & being transexual

14:42:06 nubbins`: first last first-last

14:42:19 nubbins`: you sure that's not two people?

14:42:20 Ghaleon_: lol

14:42:24 Ghaleon_: tranns n bitcoin

14:42:27 nubbins`: siamese twins, m/f?

14:42:29 Ghaleon_: trannyz

14:42:29 LordPutin: Craig-Wood was born in 1977 as Robert Craig-Wood. Craig-Wood was educated at the Royal Grammar School and attended the University of Southampton obtaining a 2:1 in Biomedical Science and a Masters Degree in the same field.

14:42:46 Ghaleon_: this is bangkog and tequila don;t mix

14:42:47 LordPutin: Craig-Wood married in 2000 and divorced in 2006. The divorce was a result of her beginning her male-to-female gender transition, which she undertook between October 2005 and November 2006.

14:43:22 LordPutin: and you guys fapped to him *shakes head*

14:43:43 nubbins`: speaking of gender, i just ordered a cis kit

14:44:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7563 @ 0.00080946 = 6.1219 BTC [-]

14:46:45 Mats_cd03: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/transgender-news/g2KGf7Bs_n0

14:46:45 ozbot: Grupos de Google

14:46:50 jurov: nubs what's in the kit?

14:46:55 Mats_cd03: good writing

14:47:07 nubbins`: jurov: guns & ammo, condoms, etc

14:47:10 nubbins`: LEL I KID

14:47:18 nubbins`: cis = continuous ink system

14:47:28 jurov: you need FtoM kit???

14:47:29 nubbins`: fake print head and a bunch of external tanks and tubing

14:47:32 nubbins`: for an epson printer

14:47:40 mircea_popescu: in other news, the somethingawful coverage of bitcoin has changed from "clearly the people behind bitcoin are marginal fuckwits who don't understand central topics everyone else understands" two years ago to "clearly the media is writing positive articles because it talks to a general audience which is very poorly educated and doesn't understand central topics only we understand"

14:47:58 mircea_popescu: pretty fucking funny evolution, and i suppose the blueprint will be copied amply.

14:48:01 Mats_cd03: although i dont like this garbage about gender roles in IT

14:48:25 nubbins`: what the fuck is a gender role in IT

14:48:35 nubbins`: something like 70% of the employees at my last job were women

14:48:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 279 @ 0.07158601 = 19.9725 BTC [-] {4}

14:48:46 Mats_cd03: definitely not the norm

14:48:55 nubbins`: 55% of managers

14:49:11 Mats_cd03: at least in technology

14:49:16 *: nubbins` shrugs

14:49:30 nubbins`: depends on what qualifies as "it"

14:49:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8500 @ 0.00014007 = 1.1906 BTC [-] {9}

14:49:52 nubbins`: sure, helpdesk staff is usually mostly male

14:50:28 LordPutin: have you notice that women want to be the boss and make the same or even more money than men but still want you to pay for dinner?

14:50:37 nubbins`: LordPutin: no, i haven't

14:50:43 Mats_cd03: women already make as much money as men

14:50:46 nubbins`: have you?

14:50:52 Mats_cd03: in murica, anyway

14:51:39 nubbins`: have you noticed that people who offer asinine statements like yours are usually neckbeards who have an unrealistic concept of women based solely on their years of internet wizardry?

14:52:00 mircea_popescu: he's not that old.

14:52:06 Mats_cd03: people look at salary averages for men and women, and temporarily forget women sometimes allow a parasite to grow inside them for close to a year that makes them worthless for productive work

14:52:07 LordPutin: your not a bitcoiner if you dont have a neckbeard

14:52:13 Neil: blockchain.info borked again

14:52:18 Mats_cd03: and usually they go on to raise the bugger and leave work to do it

14:52:27 mircea_popescu: Neil nuts huh.

14:52:37 Mats_cd03: so...the corresponding salary differential is a product of that, but in many fields they have parity

14:53:03 nubbins`: Mats_cd03: in fact, if you exclude women who have children, there's still income disparity

14:53:06 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 in my experience pregnancy has no discernible effect on productivity.

14:53:07 nubbins`: but hey, what do i know

14:53:11 mircea_popescu: child rearing however... oy vey

14:53:24 mircea_popescu: woman loses 30 iq points for the first year

14:53:32 mircea_popescu: then gains ~7-8 or so each following year

14:53:47 LordPutin: be cool if women didn't exists and you could just hang out with guys all day

14:53:52 Mats_cd03: youre a faggot

14:53:56 nubbins`: yeah bru super cool

14:54:04 nubbins`: we could all suck each other's cocks

14:54:06 LordPutin: lul

14:54:07 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 can't even speal your

14:54:13 Mats_cd03: baseball brews and blowjobs?

14:54:33 nubbins`: wait now

14:54:45 nubbins`: you're saying that you can't hang out with guys all day because women exist?

14:54:49 *: nubbins` ponders this over coffee

14:54:57 LordPutin: you could have sleepovers and talk about bitcoin all night and groom eachothers neckbeards

14:54:58 nubbins`: russia is a strange place

14:55:27 chetty: oy vey

14:55:38 LordPutin: don't hate because we have the best leader in the world

14:55:46 mircea_popescu: chestbeards ?

14:57:02 mircea_popescu: benkay: it's downright baffling, chetty. take, for instance, the podcast noted above. how much more work is it to do that thing than to just write out one's thoughts? << you miss out on the point that people would love to do work they can do.

14:57:15 Mats_cd03: im amused by russias power play in crimea

14:57:16 mircea_popescu: which is why a procrastinating dork will happily do the god-awful work of clicking through websites

14:57:24 mircea_popescu: rather than whatever useful thing he should be.

14:57:45 Mats_cd03: now europeans have to worry about russians bending them over heating oil too

14:58:07 LordPutin: check and mate

14:58:08 ThickAsThieves: i dont like the notion of there being useful content buried in podcasts

14:58:23 Mats_cd03: thank god i love in murica

14:58:27 ThickAsThieves: i hear about an interesting podcast and i'm like wtf

14:58:28 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so let's all just pretend like it could never be the case,

14:58:30 mircea_popescu: and then it wont be.

14:58:38 Mats_cd03: wait til the arabs and poor people start flooding euro borders in the coming famine

14:58:47 Mats_cd03: youll remember i called it

14:58:52 LordPutin: mats you have a muslim as your president

14:58:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

14:58:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05598455 = 0.112 BTC [+]

14:59:05 artifexd: ;;eauth artifexd

14:59:06 gribble: Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A

14:59:25 LordPutin: who goes on shows on between the fern and ellen to crack some jokes

14:59:26 artifexd: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f35ce2f33ebfddb0b3e15de1380987380a2f99a0b8bb49dbbdd7e111

14:59:27 gribble: You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A

14:59:32 Mats_cd03: i wonder how it feels to be the last black president

14:59:40 nubbins`: obama on "between the ferns"

14:59:48 nubbins`: maybe the most brutal humiliation i've ever watched

14:59:53 LordPutin: indeed

15:00:08 LordPutin: putin would never do some clowningshit like that

15:01:03 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/DjnfX0o.jpg <<< ahahaha

15:01:43 LordPutin: too soon mircea

15:02:09 mircea_popescu: not for me.

15:02:26 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 women under 30 may come in

15:02:39 mircea_popescu: as long as they leave their stinking rags in the no man's zone

15:03:02 jurov: Mats_cd03: last i heard whole cali and more is running out of water too

15:03:15 mircea_popescu: jurov it has been for years, but now it finally rained

15:03:18 mircea_popescu: so they got an extension.

15:03:28 Mats_cd03: jurov: nah, a vast percentage of it is being abused for agribusiness

15:03:49 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/qT8A12Z.gif

15:03:53 mircea_popescu: these birds are clever

15:03:54 Mats_cd03: residential use is tiny in comparison

15:04:07 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 feeding the us is no abuse.

15:04:18 Mats_cd03: theyre feeding china too

15:04:48 mircea_popescu: well because the us is moistly poor

15:05:10 Mats_cd03: www.nytimes.com/2014/03/08/opinion/meat-makes-the-planet-thirsty.html

15:06:04 mircea_popescu: "the planet", gimme a break.

15:06:25 Mats_cd03: > Vegetables use about 11,300 gallons per ton of blue water; starchy roots, about 4,200 gallons per ton; and fruit, about 38,800 gallons per ton. By comparison, pork consumes 121,000 gallons of blue water per ton of meat produced; beef, about 145,000 gallons per ton; and butter, some 122,800 gallons per ton.

15:06:29 Mats_cd03: > but the Rancho incident reminds us that plants aren’t slaughtered, a process that demands 132 gallons of water per animal carcass, contributing even more to livestock’s expanding water footprint.

15:06:45 Mats_cd03: > Alfalfa growers are now exporting some 100 billion gallons of water a year from this drought-ridden region to the other side of the world in the form of alfalfa. All as more Asians are embracing the American-style, meat-hungry diet.

15:07:10 mircea_popescu: they eat better because they can afford it

15:07:10 Mats_cd03: something something, marx, selling capitalists rope, etc...

15:07:15 mircea_popescu: stfu and work the presses.

15:08:23 Mats_cd03: i love murica but i wont live in california

15:09:10 Mats_cd03: although san diego is nice its a little too close to the border for me

15:09:24 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:09:52 ThickAsThieves: wait Courtney Love really might have found the plane?

15:09:55 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:11:35 LordPutin: if you had to do courtney love without a condom and lick her gina or kiss a guy what would you go with?

15:12:07 ThickAsThieves: kiss a guy

15:12:18 LordPutin: good choice

15:12:22 ThickAsThieves: “If her intention was ‘to not indicate any change’ she did a horrible job,” he added. “Hence she gets a C-! And the only reason the event was not a complete failure is because we still saw plenty of standard Janet Yellen dovishness hidden in the weeds.”

15:12:25 ThickAsThieves: sigh...

15:12:33 Mats_cd03: id let TAT give me a kiss

15:13:42 ThickAsThieves: i've been tested!

15:14:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05599999 = 0.112 BTC [+]

15:15:13 dexX7: ;;seen Duffer1

15:15:13 gribble: Duffer1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 26 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Duffer1> he did, but Goat was going to do his own

15:15:17 ThickAsThieves: check out the interviewer hinting she'd fuck Barry http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3365497539001/bitcoin-for-the-ordinary-investor/

15:15:59 ThickAsThieves: (topic is opening BIT to all investors)

15:18:20 LordPutin: they make a nice couple

15:18:30 ThickAsThieves: i suspect she'd fuck anyone though

15:19:41 LordPutin: you know when they show the winklevoss pics i bet you they just copy and pasted theone pic

15:20:07 nubbins`: those eyes

15:20:09 nubbins`: have seen things

15:21:02 nubbins`: LordPutin: you know the winklevoss "twins" is just one guy holding a tall mirror, right?

15:21:49 LordPutin: ibet they make out with eachother while watching bitcoinwisdom

15:22:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.06500001 = 0.39 BTC [+] {2}

15:22:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] {2}

15:22:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [-]

15:22:46 nubbins`: "make out"

15:22:51 nubbins`: men with jaws like that don't make out

15:22:53 nubbins`: they fuck

15:22:56 nubbins`: and they fuck to cum

15:22:58 LordPutin: lul

15:23:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

15:24:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05599995 = 0.112 BTC [+] {2}

15:24:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00378849 = 0.4963 BTC [+] {2}

15:28:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05500028 = 0.385 BTC [-] {3}

15:28:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.06500001 = 0.455 BTC [+] {3}

15:28:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.11950724 = 0.8366 BTC [-] {3}

15:29:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0554995 = 0.111 BTC [+] {2}

15:29:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

15:32:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00609991 = 0.5063 BTC [+] {2}

15:33:00 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay the best approach would be to systematiclaly take all assets that were listed on havelock at some point and aren't anymore. the total ipo dough - whatever was paid hence is the loss on that score for the naive public. then take all the dilutive issuance (where shares were later issued for less than what they asked originally) and add it.

15:33:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:33:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't bet much on obama not feeding preet to putin's bear. yezhov didn't live to grow old.

15:34:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

15:34:43 mircea_popescu: in other news, coindesk finally heard about the news, three days late. net result ? oodlebunchesd of blog spam from an entire ecosystem of spamsites.

15:35:26 mircea_popescu: gamerpalace.net/bitcoindeals/ reportcoin.com/beta/ iusebitcoins.com/ myfxequipment.com/ thecointalk.com/ KculShare.com/ begcoin.com/ etc

15:35:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05500016 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}

15:35:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [-] {2}

15:35:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] {2}

15:35:34 mircea_popescu: all these seo experts ;/

15:36:09 asciilifeform: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/20/teen-wtc-ny-arrest/6644121/

15:36:09 ozbot: Police: N.J. teen arrested at top of World Trade Center

15:36:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-]

15:36:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

15:36:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]

15:37:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.055 = 0.385 BTC [-]

15:37:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.065 = 0.455 BTC [-]

15:37:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.11950724 = 0.8366 BTC [-]

15:37:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00365 = 0.1679 BTC [-] {3}

15:38:26 asciilifeform: if gru still existed, this kid would be happily & productively employed.

15:38:56 davout: !t m x.eur

15:38:57 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00210539 / 0.00214781 / 0.00223045 (2681 shares, 5.76 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00210992 / 0.00226762 (7608 shares, 16.05 BTC)

15:39:10 asciilifeform: better link:

15:39:11 asciilifeform: http://nypost.com/2014/03/20/teen-sneaks-past-sleeping-wtc-guard-reaches-104th-floor/

15:39:11 ozbot: Teen sneaks past guard to reach WTC spire | New York Post

15:39:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-]

15:40:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

15:40:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]

15:42:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

15:42:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05599998 = 0.112 BTC [+]

15:45:35 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay you can start with stuff like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.msg3969668#msg3969668

15:45:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:47:07 blackwhite: http://wikibrains.com/map/532add45e4b0dbbf379c4fef

15:47:07 ozbot: WikiBrains | CryptoCurrencies by Trade Volume

15:47:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd hire him.

15:47:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: S.GRU

15:48:23 mircea_popescu: lol that'd be a sight

15:48:31 mircea_popescu: i thought the gru was a non profit anwyay

15:48:39 mircea_popescu: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/19/Transgender-Woman-Says-Her-Male-Alterego-is-a-Murderer

15:48:39 ozbot: Transgender Woman Claims Former Male Self a Murderer

15:48:44 asciilifeform: actually it was pure, obscene profit

15:48:52 asciilifeform: their main peacetime job was lifting tech

15:49:18 mircea_popescu: hm this is a point

15:49:25 mircea_popescu: so basically s.gru would be a torrent site ?

15:49:56 asciilifeform: not just any torrent site

15:50:18 mircea_popescu: indeed not.

15:50:18 asciilifeform: but, torrents that could only come to exist by a daring act of [censored]

15:50:39 mircea_popescu: i guess it doens't work cause you'd have to have a paywall.

15:50:56 mircea_popescu: tho... "just 19.95 a week and you can download all the secret documents you care to.

15:50:59 asciilifeform: could always work as 'prepay' model.

15:51:12 mircea_popescu: how to make bombs out of dogshit. pictures of nanci pelosi doing her dog

15:51:14 mircea_popescu: "

15:51:56 asciilifeform: my imagined picture of s.gru involves recruiting moles deep in the enemy's rear, etc.

15:52:10 benkay: nubbins`: functional? it's got a list of posts. whaddaya want?

15:52:57 dexX7: ThickAsThieves: were you able to "use" ciphertrade?

15:53:33 ThickAsThieves: yes

15:53:35 ThickAsThieves: eventually

15:53:45 ThickAsThieves: all it really did is show me a qty of what they owe me

15:54:24 benkay: "deep in the enemy's rear"

15:54:40 ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure what process they used to allocate the bonds to accounts

15:54:45 asciilifeform: double meaning intentional.

15:54:54 ThickAsThieves: i wonder if i make accoutns using email addresses of others if i get those too

15:54:55 benkay: doubtless.

15:55:24 mircea_popescu: benkay MOLES mind you

15:55:24 dexX7: i see.. don't try to send shares to yourself.. they simply vanish <.<"

15:55:29 mircea_popescu: s.gross

15:55:45 ThickAsThieves: why send shares to yourself?

15:56:01 ThickAsThieves: a mistake?

15:56:08 benkay: my money's on hamsters deep in the enemy rear.

15:56:36 dexX7: rather a test to see, if internal transfers are working

15:56:43 ThickAsThieves: wtf is Blackcoin?

15:56:51 benkay: or a gerbil.

15:56:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0559999 = 0.168 BTC [-] {2}

15:56:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

15:57:08 ThickAsThieves: "BlackCoin is pure Proof of Stake coin, except stage of initial distribution, when it was mixed PoW and PoS coin."

15:57:36 mircea_popescu: very pure such wow.

15:57:45 mircea_popescu: let's use words that mean things.

15:57:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.056 = 0.168 BTC [+] {3}

15:57:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

15:58:10 ThickAsThieves: it is what it is, except when it isn't

15:58:39 chetty: but what if it wasn't

15:59:26 ThickAsThieves: well then it is

15:59:27 benkay: might be tho

15:59:45 mircea_popescu: all i can say to you people is enough!

15:59:47 mircea_popescu: like so :

15:59:48 benkay: maybe.

15:59:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.40316044 BTC to 4`062 shares, 59162 satoshi per share

15:59:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0565 = 0.1695 BTC [+]

16:00:20 ThickAsThieves: enough is enough, or so i've heard

16:00:48 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13KRWrbtQQ

16:00:48 ozbot: Diablo 2 LoD - Search for Baal - Legendado - YouTube

16:01:03 mircea_popescu: possibly best cutscene in the history of cutscenes

16:01:11 ThickAsThieves: are there cows?

16:01:24 mircea_popescu: nop

16:01:27 ThickAsThieves: i d remember this

16:01:28 ThickAsThieves: do

16:01:39 ThickAsThieves: watched it more than once

16:01:44 zoinky: lolol d2

16:01:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0649 = 0.1947 BTC [-]

16:01:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]

16:02:31 ThickAsThieves: is this what your entrance will be like at fraudsters conference?

16:03:17 mircea_popescu: lol

16:03:24 mircea_popescu: no, i burrow.

16:05:22 ThickAsThieves: em portugues!

16:06:23 asciilifeform: see also related, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvILGIIVsMU

16:08:29 radan: salut camarazi!

16:09:09 radan: dr. popescu invited me to come on here

16:09:17 benkay: salut!

16:11:42 ThickAsThieves: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh41ohmb47CPO3axpQ

16:11:43 ozbot: Video: Guy Pulls A "Deez Nuts" Joke On The Peoples Court Interviewer

16:12:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05575199 = 0.223 BTC [-] {3}

16:12:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0649 = 0.2596 BTC [-] {3}

16:12:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] {2}

16:12:12 asciilifeform: radan: pleased to meet you.

16:12:41 asciilifeform: radan: personal friend of mr p ?

16:13:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05583333 = 0.1675 BTC [+] {2}

16:13:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0649 = 0.1947 BTC [-] {2}

16:13:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] {3}

16:14:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00365 = 0.1095 BTC [-] {2}

16:23:11 ThickAsThieves: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/facebook-hack/?mbid=social_fb

16:23:11 ozbot: Facebook Introduces 'Hack,' the Programming Language Of the Future | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com

16:23:40 ThickAsThieves: "You can think of Hack as a new version of PHP."

16:25:42 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: herr naggum answers from his grave: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html

16:26:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00085281 = 1.2792 BTC [-] {3}

16:27:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 746 @ 0.00085281 = 0.6362 BTC [-] {2}

16:29:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 350 @ 0.00087999 = 0.308 BTC [+] {2}

16:29:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 20 @ 0.01900161 = 0.38 BTC [-]

16:29:44 ThickAsThieves: speaking out of total ignorance, do you have an equally succint link to what makes Lisp the purest of the pure?

16:30:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.0190016 = 0.171 BTC [-]

16:30:31 ThickAsThieves: succinct*

16:30:37 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: there is not, in fact, a programming language called 'lisp', but a large number of langs with various defining characteristics that put them in the category.

16:31:06 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: this is described, somewhat abrasively, here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405

16:31:45 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: additionally, there exist other 'programmable programming languages' - most famously, 'forth'

16:32:59 ThickAsThieves: thx

16:33:10 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: here, for instance, is an example of a minimal lisp in ~500 lines of C: https://github.com/qyqx/small-lisp/blob/master/sl3.c

16:35:11 ThickAsThieves: is there a Lisp "framework" and "library" or would such be heresy?

16:35:36 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: there is an unimaginable abundance of libraries of every description for various lisps

16:37:09 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i'm partial to 'Common Lisp' (ANSI INCITS 226-1994)

16:37:52 asciilifeform: if you have a x86, x64, ppc, sparc, alpha, mips: http://sbcl.org

16:38:18 asciilifeform: or, if you like commercial support, there are proprietary products like 'Allegro' (franz corp.)

16:39:12 benkay: lisps can be found that sit atop most other languages too, ThickAsThieves. there are python lisps, java lisps...

16:39:17 ThickAsThieves: mostly i'm just trying to at least have a superficial understanding

16:40:01 benkay: if you squint, lean your head sideways and don't work with other javascript developers javascript can be written fairly lispily.

16:40:04 asciilifeform: one can sit a minimal, 'academic' lisp on top of virtually anything in 1/2 hr.

16:40:14 asciilifeform: but usually people are interested in something that is actually usable

16:40:39 asciilifeform: 'sbcl,' for instance, runs at close to the speed of compiled 'c' when used intelligently

16:41:01 asciilifeform: (it is a pure dynamic compiler - no interpreter at all)

16:41:14 ThickAsThieves: so lisp is more a way of speaking, than a language

16:41:25 asciilifeform: as described in my brick essay

16:41:45 asciilifeform: though the concepts do have a common ancestor (mccarthy, 1958)

16:42:35 ThickAsThieves: i see

16:42:56 asciilifeform: charlatans have been getting by for decades lifting feature after feature from common lisp

16:43:00 asciilifeform: and pitching it as 'new, amazing'

16:43:00 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:43:17 asciilifeform: e.g. garbage collection

16:43:28 asciilifeform: dynamic typing

16:43:34 asciilifeform: 'lambda'

16:43:35 asciilifeform: etc.

16:43:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0190016 = 0.114 BTC [-]

16:44:13 ThickAsThieves: "discovering" things that they didnt realize or acknowledge were long since discovered

16:44:29 asciilifeform: computer industry in 1 sentence.

16:46:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0551 = 0.1653 BTC [-]

16:46:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0649 = 0.1947 BTC [-]

16:47:01 ThickAsThieves: what's this guy on about? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5806092#msg5806092

16:47:55 benkay: I had this figured out from the first day or so of looking seriously at Bitcoin. It takes you guys including MPOE a while to catch up.

16:48:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]

16:49:25 ThickAsThieves: satoshi is nelson mandela?

16:52:22 ThickAsThieves: NSA general counsel Rajesh De told the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board that the PRISM program was carried out with the “full knowledge and assistance of any company from which information is obtained.” The claim, if true, would mean that the many protests from Microsoft, Google, Apple, Yahoo, and other technology companies were factually inaccurate, if not deliberately

16:52:23 ThickAsThieves: misleading.

16:55:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.055 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}

16:59:14 asciilifeform: orlov/ua/etc: http://usawatchdog.com/collapse-and-systemic-failure-at-all-levels-coming-to-us-dmitry-orlov

16:59:40 asciilifeform: (ignore title, talk isn't about usa)

16:59:48 ThickAsThieves: some email spam is so weird... "We intend to import a large number of bullet proof glasses. Could you provide us that? If yes, Please send us more details of your product. Hope we will have the opportunity to cooperate!"

16:59:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 6.65737852 BTC to 21`436 shares, 31057 satoshi per share

17:00:49 nubbins`: benkay: what i want is something that doesn't make my eyes bleed

17:01:25 nubbins`: it's fine if you want a plaintext-only website, but it doesn't have to be brutally unappealing

17:02:32 benkay: that's a *wholly* new claim.

17:02:36 ThickAsThieves: how about we just have kako host a b-a BBS and everyone just posts blogs there

17:04:29 ThickAsThieves: but nubbins, just try a feed reader

17:04:36 ThickAsThieves: Feedly works pretty well for me

17:04:49 ThickAsThieves: it even cleans up benkay's text

17:04:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07298987 = 0.292 BTC [+]

17:05:51 nubbins`: ehh, feed readers

17:06:02 nubbins`: benkay: http://dpaste.com/1747852/

17:06:15 nubbins`: i just halved -- at least -- the height of your footer

17:06:22 nubbins`: now it's not taller than the articles

17:06:38 benkay: but your eyes aren't bleeding now!

17:06:41 benkay: what's the point i say

17:06:44 benkay: use a feed reader.

17:06:44 nubbins`: oh, they still are

17:06:56 nubbins`: mostly because of the needless <h1> post titles

17:07:19 benkay: but they're <h1>IMPORTANT</h1>

17:07:29 ThickAsThieves: isnt that what h1 is for?

17:07:31 nubbins`: and the "previous/next" shit that makes me feel like i'm navigating a shit text dump from some forum archives

17:07:37 nubbins`: h1 is for nothing

17:07:45 ThickAsThieves: but SEO!

17:08:03 ThickAsThieves: how will benkay drive his advertising rates?

17:08:06 nubbins`: heh

17:08:09 benkay: your poor feels, nubbins`.

17:08:19 nubbins`: hey, i'm just trying to help

17:08:31 nubbins`: if you insist on keeping "previous/next", at least put it after the article

17:08:53 benkay: hm hey great idea

17:09:06 nubbins`: well yknow. if i'm reading an article i wanna read an article

17:09:14 nubbins`: not go immediately to the previous or next one

17:10:33 nubbins`: also FWIW if all your text is at 100%, having a title wrapped in h1 AND setting font-size=250% is nuts

17:12:39 dexX7: fyi: there is also a <footer></footer> tag

17:13:26 ThickAsThieves: why is there a footer tag?

17:13:38 ThickAsThieves: it's just content at the bottom right?

17:13:39 benkay: 'cause wordpress

17:13:43 ThickAsThieves: oh

17:13:47 benkay: ;

17:13:49 benkay: ;)

17:13:50 dexX7: much seo

17:14:19 ThickAsThieves: i learned html back when tables were used for everything, it gets me by

17:16:19 asciilifeform: i never understood what problem people have with tables

17:16:47 ThickAsThieves: well they are kinda a bitch to make things pretty

17:17:03 ThickAsThieves: but really things havent changed much

17:17:12 ThickAsThieves: now you can learn divs! and css!

17:17:43 ThickAsThieves: css will even let you push things off the page, quite useful

17:17:48 ThickAsThieves: :)

17:20:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0649 = 0.1298 BTC [-]

17:22:35 nubbins`: benkay: http://imgur.com/lS5fhxC

17:22:41 nubbins`: now isn't that nicer?

17:22:59 benkay: wowee

17:23:10 benkay: looks great

17:23:14 nubbins`: asciilifeform: the problem with tables is that they're meant for tabular data, and using them to guide layout was always a shit-show

17:23:25 nubbins`: benkay: you even have a header now ;D

17:23:40 benkay: ugh headers

17:23:42 nubbins`: before you ask, i butchered the content of that article so it'd fit in a screen grab

17:23:45 benkay: ty nubbins`!

17:23:52 nubbins`: no sweat

17:23:56 nubbins`: image is free, html costs ;p

17:24:16 benkay: ofc

17:24:49 benkay: nevermind time expense of shoehorning it into this absurd generator

17:26:18 nubbins`: if you're feeling really frisky some day, you could even add a date under the article titles

17:26:40 nubbins`: but at that rate why not just go full web two point oh, amirite?

17:27:12 jcpham: dat css

17:27:54 benkay: but i just ripped out all the css

17:28:15 benkay: anyways. it'll not make your eyes bleed eventually i promise nubbins`.

17:28:16 jcpham: dem stylesheets bro

17:28:19 benkay: just no time soon.

17:29:38 nubbins`: not all of it ;)

17:29:52 nubbins`: and hey, no need to work around my schedule :D

17:33:31 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/vdJAD8p.gif

17:33:33 benkay: yeah but i care about your eyes

17:35:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00081418 = 23.8555 BTC [+] {2}

17:35:52 nubbins`: if only someone cared about those poor penguins D;

17:37:47 nubbins`: "So, Fred’s gone to live with the big fag-hater in the sky."

17:37:48 nubbins`: heh

17:45:00 dexX7: so what's the intention with all those non-css stuff?

17:45:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07298988 = 0.146 BTC [+]

17:50:11 ThickAsThieves: purity?

17:51:12 dexX7: hm. fair enough.

17:51:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60102408 BTC [-]

17:51:46 ThickAsThieves: http://gmailblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/staying-at-forefront-of-email-security.html

17:51:47 ozbot: Official Gmail Blog: Staying at the forefront of email security and reliability: HTTPS-only and 99.

17:52:31 ThickAsThieves: "Starting today, Gmail will always use an encrypted HTTPS connection when you check or send email. Gmail has supported HTTPS since the day it launched, and in 2010 we made HTTPS the default. Today's change means that no one can listen in on your messages as they go back and forth between you and Gmail’s servers—no matter if you're using public WiFi or logging in from your computer,

17:52:31 ThickAsThieves: phone or tablet.

17:52:31 ThickAsThieves: In addition, every single email message you send or receive—100% of them—is encrypted while moving internally. This ensures that your messages are safe not only when they move between you and Gmail's servers, but also as they move between Google's data centers—something we made a top priority after last summer’s revelations."

17:55:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.01863381 = 0.3913 BTC [-] {3}

17:56:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.018 = 0.144 BTC [-]

17:59:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.94547500 BTC to 320`500 shares, 295 satoshi per share

18:02:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 971 @ 0.00352872 = 3.4264 BTC [-] {14}

18:03:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62923217 = 3.1462 BTC [+] {4}

18:08:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 253 @ 0.00047505 = 0.1202 BTC [+]

18:10:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0648975 = 0.5192 BTC [-] {2}

18:10:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 203 @ 0.0035 = 0.7105 BTC [-] {3}

18:13:18 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/20/5529700/starbucks-wine-beer-expanding-thousands-stores

18:13:19 ozbot: Your Starbucks barista is about to become your bartender | The Verge

18:13:26 ThickAsThieves: maybe they'll start renting beds too

18:16:30 ThickAsThieves: they can "partner" with Uber for cab rides home too

18:16:34 ThickAsThieves: such synergy!

18:16:42 ThickAsThieves: The App Life

18:19:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 213 @ 0.0035 = 0.7455 BTC [-] {2}

18:19:49 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5797749#msg5797749

18:19:51 ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

18:25:38 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5808071#msg5808071

18:25:40 ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

18:30:32 nubbins`: dexX7: sort of like how some people prefer to drive around in cars with unpainted, boxy chassis

18:30:42 nubbins`: so as not to distract from the joy of driving

18:33:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.0034103 = 0.4263 BTC [-] {2}

18:34:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 172 @ 0.00333562 = 0.5737 BTC [-] {6}

18:38:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00322069 = 0.3704 BTC [-] {3}

18:49:34 Duffer1: dexx7 around?

18:49:39 dexX7: yes

18:50:28 Apocalyptic: <hearn> dogecoin is so cute. it's actually one of my favourite alts by this point << dat hearn

18:51:24 benkay: dorp horp

18:51:45 Apocalyptic: moreover I think he's being serious

18:52:00 ThickAsThieves: what chan does he speak in?

18:52:03 ThickAsThieves: dev?

18:52:08 Apocalyptic: yes

18:52:43 ThickAsThieves: might as well ditch #bitcoin-analysis and start lurking there

18:52:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.60079339 = 5.4071 BTC [-] {6}

18:52:55 HeySteve2: he'll talk about that but not my wallet disappearing in 0.9

18:53:05 benkay: what's that, HeySteve2??

18:54:25 HeySteve2: having a bit of a prob with upgrade

18:54:40 HeySteve2: it can't seem to read my datadir any more

18:56:25 Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, you're not missing anything substantial by not lurking there

18:56:31 Apocalyptic: tech talk and derps

18:57:20 benkay: HeySteve2: are you able to read it with an old version?

18:59:00 ThickAsThieves: i at least like the idea of having direct access to hearn & co

18:59:30 HeySteve2: benkay, will try that...

18:59:32 benkay: HeySteve2: get in touch later - i gotta run to a client meeting.

19:01:22 HeySteve2: well old version sees my funds at least, but the chain isn't indexed

19:02:53 ThickAsThieves: yknow if you are loading into a new wallet it wont see your funds accurately til it's done syncing

19:07:31 HeySteve2: well it saw them the first time I ran them, and was updating from 3 weeks back

19:07:56 HeySteve2: then I shut it and reopened, it sees no blocks no unconfirmed

19:08:11 HeySteve2: at least previous version sees unconfirmed transactions, but it's 150 weeks behind

19:09:01 ThickAsThieves: let both fully sync

19:09:21 HeySteve2: well I've taken off 0.9, it's poison :P

19:11:00 kakobrekla: that bad eh

19:13:15 HeySteve2: well pretty inconvenient

19:15:17 ThickAsThieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rGZmLDqXZM&feature=youtu.be

19:15:18 ozbot: Cognitive Shareholder Proxy - YouTube

19:17:12 kakobrekla: reminds me of 'deathbylollipop' if anyone here even remembers that guy

19:18:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1154 @ 0.0032202 = 3.7161 BTC [-] {4}

19:18:24 kakobrekla: ah, i mean highlevelminer

19:19:23 kakobrekla: aka n0n00dz4u

19:20:20 mod6: lol @ n0n00dz4u

19:20:44 *: mod6 remembers

19:24:38 kakobrekla: apparently he OD'ed in june 2013

19:24:45 mod6: really?

19:24:54 kakobrekla: http://twitter.com/deathbylollipop

19:24:55 ozbot: Shao Ling (deathbylollipop) on Twitter

19:24:55 mod6: last I remember he called us all nigerians and left

19:25:15 kakobrekla: tweets are on crack

19:25:20 kakobrekla: pics would agree.

19:25:39 mod6: dang, dude chewed his hands something awful

19:27:06 kakobrekla: ok, dead or in jail.

19:28:05 mod6: yeah mia for sure.

19:29:37 kakobrekla: http://twitter.com/deathbylollipop/status/198159670387544064

19:29:37 ozbot: Twitter / deathbylollipop: Check out http://t.co/p0d0y0PE. ...

19:29:38 kakobrekla: #win

19:31:30 mod6: heh 0 vids.

19:31:43 mod6: failure to lauch

19:31:47 mod6: *launch

19:33:13 kakobrekla: http://bitcointa.lk/threads/deathbylollipop-youtube-nightclub-bitcoin-campaign.50590/

19:33:14 ozbot: Deathbylollipop youtube/nightclub bitcoin campaign | Bitcointa.lk

19:33:26 kakobrekla: sorry i bring this up now, just so nostalgic...

19:33:34 kakobrekla: >>Let me know guys... no malware downloads this time :)

19:34:28 mod6: I looked for your IPO that you had stated was already setup, but couldn't find it. Where can I send my BTC ? << shuaddup & take my precious BTC!

19:34:56 kakobrekla: dunno if dude managed to open a btc wallet

19:35:02 nubbins`: where, indeed, can one send one's btc?

19:35:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 9400 @ 0.00311047 = 29.2384 BTC [-] {39}

19:35:54 mod6: he ipo'd on ye ole global scam exchange, along with TEST

19:36:43 mod6: well, guess maybe it never made it out of the sandbox. still. lollerskates.

19:38:32 dub: obvious scammer, dude had no forehead

19:39:35 ThickAsThieves: The engineer was caught after the blogger emailed Microsoft to confirm the authenticity of the leaked Windows 8 code. Investigators at the firm then reportedly looked through the blogger’s hotmail account and instant messenger chats to identify the source of the leak, and found an email from Kibaklo.

19:39:55 mod6: WE can put direct links to your businesses in the description of said video as well as get some girls to say " [your business name here] is great!!" while dressed up in fancy clothes and out on the town. << hahaha

19:40:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00361997 = 3.62 BTC [+] {15}

19:42:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0553005 = 0.1106 BTC [-] {2}

19:42:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.018 = 0.216 BTC [-]

19:42:53 novusordo: no malware downloads this time?

19:43:03 novusordo: as in, he uploaded malware for people to download previously?

19:43:17 kakobrekla: yup

19:43:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 156 @ 0.0113785 = 1.775 BTC [-] {8}

19:43:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00364073 = 0.1966 BTC [+] {3}

19:44:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01067 = 0.1067 BTC [-] {3}

19:47:02 dub: ThickAsThieves: place I worked would routinely snoop peoples gmail/hotmail passwords and go digging for shit related to performance issues

19:47:24 ThickAsThieves: maybe so, but they snooped the blogger

19:47:30 ThickAsThieves: not an employee

19:47:52 dub: I bet ToS allows it

19:48:05 ThickAsThieves: does law?

19:48:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0032 = 0.32 BTC [-] {4}

19:49:57 kakobrekla: yup its in the tos, under 'terrorist'

19:50:28 nubbins`: heh.

19:50:42 nubbins`: tos = terrorist of suspicion

19:56:27 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/bitcoin-trading-exchange-spurns-thirsty-sec-1547952895

19:56:28 ozbot: Bitcoin Trading Exchange Spurns Thirsty SEC

19:59:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.062 = 1.302 BTC [-] {2}

20:00:42 Duffer1: "online bitcoin trading exchange"

20:01:05 asciilifeform: loltron.

20:02:55 BingoBoingo: Still, better writeup than Bloomberg

20:05:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are you coming to mp's party?

20:06:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not this year

20:07:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you know, there will be generic humans there, not just guest speakers

20:07:56 BingoBoingo: Sure, but passports, petty spats with local authorities

20:09:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: trapped in u.s. ?

20:09:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: might want to work on fixing this, if only for practice.

20:10:47 BingoBoingo: Of sorts, at least until May. I suppose I could drive to a North American border and walk if something urgent, but... This thing with the neighboring county still needs to play out

20:12:03 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/wqV5MuV

20:12:03 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

20:12:07 nubbins`: just got some mail :D

20:12:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: what is unusual about this printer?

20:12:48 nubbins`: wide-format

20:12:52 asciilifeform: aha

20:13:10 nubbins`: can also print on optical discs!

20:13:25 nubbins`: we already have one of these with an all-black CIS hooked up, for printing films

20:13:30 nubbins`: this one will be for color prints

20:13:53 nubbins`: sadly, i dropped the ball and only ordered the color CIS kit today

20:14:11 asciilifeform: what's it for? propaganda?

20:14:22 ThickAsThieves: posters and proofs probly

20:16:21 nubbins`: ^

20:16:26 nubbins`: all three, i suppose

20:16:39 nubbins`: altho silkscreen printing is a better medium for propaganda

20:17:12 nubbins`: we do occasionally get requests from people who want digital prints tho, and it's kind of silly to own a print shop that doesn't have a color printer

20:28:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 759 @ 0.00321635 = 2.4412 BTC [-] {5}

20:30:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0559999 = 0.112 BTC [-]

20:31:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.056 = 1.12 BTC [+] {3}

20:56:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0568992 = 0.2845 BTC [+] {2}

21:10:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00320566 = 0.6411 BTC [-] {4}

21:12:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 504 @ 0.00100608 = 0.5071 BTC [-] {5}

21:19:50 Namworld: Actual conversation with the irrelevant chatter filtered out. People were talking about making a leveraged trading platforms for altcoins. Advice falling on deaf ears.

21:21:09 Namworld: [17:06] <Namworld> I'm a noob coder. I could maybe have patched up something in a few months, pretended I knew what I was doing and lost customers funds, making tons of money meanwhile. But I'm not a self-centered, over-confident, can-never-fail asshat,

21:21:09 Namworld: [17:09] <Namworld> I know basic PHP and just barely touched database. I made a microapp for fun, that just tracks views and clicks and banners, for a banner exchange. Without any user interface or accounts capability. Just the script for the banners + tracking.

21:21:09 Namworld: [17:09] <Namworld> If I had patched up an exchange with added complexity and everything, it would probably have been a security disaster.

21:21:09 Namworld: [17:10] <TheMediator> Namworld, how long would it take you to get together something VERY simple so that like 10 of us could trade on it

21:21:09 Namworld: [17:10] <TheMediator> I can host and such

21:21:09 Namworld: [17:11] <Namworld> Dangerous thing, it took only a few hours to learn how to do. Making an exchange is in the reach of any moron willing to put a few days to learn how to and a month or two to code it full time.

21:21:09 Namworld: [17:12] <Namworld> That's why you can't trust any website that comes up with a Bitcoin service. Even if it looks nice.

21:21:10 Namworld: [17:12] <deup> that is why there are a bunch of exchanges

21:21:12 Namworld: [17:12] <Namworld> You can't audit the code.

21:21:12 Namworld: [17:12] <TheMediator> its up to you namworld. If you think you can make it happen, we can use it as a base.

21:21:12 Namworld: [17:12] <TheMediator> and expand from there

21:21:12 Namworld: [17:12] <TheMediator> I think we have enough experience between the regulars where we could take turns hacking the exchange until we get it fairly secure

21:21:24 Namworld: I probably should have pastbin'ed that

21:21:28 Apocalyptic: ^

21:23:05 Apocalyptic: who are these guys anyway ?

21:23:24 Namworld: The generic BTC crowd.

21:24:11 Namworld: Those that are on trading IRC channels talking about their profits and loss and speculating.

21:24:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]

21:29:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00082011 = 10.4974 BTC [+]

21:31:54 dexX7: what do you want to trade?

21:33:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [-] {3}

21:35:12 Namworld: No, the currency trading channels

21:36:25 Namworld: Not about trading between users, literally the channels where they just talk about what they're doing, why they think price is headed that or that way and such.

21:36:45 Namworld: I'm not trading anything, I just have like 20+ IRC channels open about Bitcoin.

21:40:46 Apocalyptic: Namworld, you mean -pricetalk ?

21:42:04 Namworld: not specifically, there's like 3-4 other channels like pricetalk.

21:43:24 Namworld: At least for those with 30-50 users or more.

21:46:16 daybyter: like #cryptoforex, or so?

21:46:52 Namworld: or #bitcointraders or #bitcoin-analysis and etc

21:47:05 daybyter: so you don't trade anything, but wanna know why the price went up or down?

21:47:26 daybyter: maybe read goomboo's journal, or so?

21:47:46 daybyter: but why should you care if the price goes up or down?

21:50:55 Namworld: Who said I cared? I just have many BTC related channels opened at all time. On the plus side, those channels tend to be quick to link any article related to Bitcoin.

21:56:09 Ghaleon: if you import a wallet.dat file into bitcoind does it copy over the receiving addresses? everything that I have read says IT WILL NOT COPY over receiving addresses....

21:56:28 Ghaleon: opps wrong room sorry

22:11:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00557881 = 0.2789 BTC [+] {2}

22:16:49 yeye_: gg mp

22:23:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00338245 = 0.2537 BTC [-] {2}

22:28:06 benkay: ;;later tell HeySteve2 didja fixit?

22:28:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:33:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062998 = 0.126 BTC [+]

22:34:09 benkay: ;;echo ℳ

22:34:09 gribble:

22:34:14 benkay: wowee

22:39:07 phf: not quite

22:39:12 phf: ;;re m/./ ℳ

22:39:12 gribble: ?

22:39:49 benkay: o hai phf

22:40:36 phf: hello, benkay

22:41:14 benkay: what brings you 'round these parts?

22:43:12 phf: taking in the bitcoin knowledge

22:43:57 bitcoinpete: benkay: pronouns co-rrected

22:44:18 benkay: a neat

22:44:24 benkay: pro-rected

22:44:27 benkay: e-rected!

22:44:31 benkay: i'll erect some pronouns.

22:44:47 bitcoinpete: rect-imediated

22:45:34 benkay: rectumfied

22:46:21 bitcoinpete: nice

22:46:34 benkay: bitcoinpete

22:46:44 benkay: rectumfying pronouns

22:47:12 bitcoinpete: since spring 2014

22:48:25 benkay: so hey bitcoinpete do you know mardlin?

22:48:42 bitcoinpete: i don't… who is he?

22:48:51 benkay: another lifeboater

22:49:09 benkay: can't tell if actual fraternity or weird internet thing

22:49:28 bitcoinpete: blech, i have no idea either. regretting it now

22:49:32 benkay: HAW

22:49:54 benkay: reputational dependency management.

22:50:18 bitcoinpete: pretty mucho

22:50:41 bitcoinpete: worse than linkedin by my estimation

22:50:41 benkay: here's a blog post for ya: "the only dependency in your reputational toolchain should be gpg"

22:51:15 bitcoinpete: well, and a blog

22:51:25 benkay: mebbe.

22:51:28 benkay: bloggin's hard.

22:51:53 benkay: subject of

22:51:56 benkay: ;;ident bitcoinpete

22:51:57 gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.

22:52:01 benkay: ;;gettrust bitcoinpete

22:52:01 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: never

22:53:12 bitcoinpete: do i need to do some small transactions to get that graph going or what?

22:53:36 benkay: yeah probably

22:53:47 benkay: borrow some btc for a week, pay it back

22:54:36 bitcoinpete: alrighty then. are you up for a little test run?

22:54:49 benkay: what rate are you offering?

22:55:18 bitcoinpete: what's standard for a first go?

22:55:29 benkay: aren't much by way of standards.

23:00:16 benkay: ;;ident bitcoinpete

23:00:17 gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.

23:00:40 benkay: ;;gpg eauth benkay

23:00:41 gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@71-34-67-232.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7

23:00:56 benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1b105722fb05618adf22faa71ca8054449e9a726fcc83c785305f0ff

23:00:57 gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7

23:01:04 ThickAsThieves: buy some ATC

23:01:10 ThickAsThieves: thats a good easy way

23:01:41 bitcoinpete: ;;gpg eauth bitcoinpete

23:01:42 gribble: Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD

23:02:01 kakobrekla: >The Company may, by written notice to any Members, suspend payment of withdrawal proceeds to such Members if the Member Manager reasonably deems it necessary to do so to comply with anti-money laundering laws and regulations applicable to the Company or any of the Company’s service providers, or due to circumstances beyond its control, including but not limited to general civil disturbance or September 11, 2001 type events.

23:02:18 kakobrekla: seriously, "september 11 TYPE OF EVENTS"

23:02:21 benkay: hey i've got cum sircomstances out of your control

23:02:24 bitcoinpete: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:30e40cf0a5ed0435f6d19a11c6a1f3bbc5801de1cea9cbac9de2e5a5

23:02:24 kakobrekla: facepalm.

23:02:25 gribble: You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD

23:03:26 artifexd: bitcoinpete I can sell you a few ATC if you want to follow ThickAsThieves' advice

23:09:57 bitcoinpete: thickasthieves artifexd could we do a btc loan or purchase instead? don't want another client that bad

23:17:28 artifexd: ;;ident

23:17:28 gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None

23:22:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0033 = 0.1254 BTC [-]

23:28:57 ThickAsThieves: nubbins`the pretty-much final version http://imgur.com/fpGdBdL

23:47:30 ninjashogun: hi

23:59:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06299999 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2}