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Transcript for 20-06-2015, 997 lines:

00:03:04 mircea_popescu: best pray ~i~ don't identify you as lobster/

00:03:08 Adlai: i'm code literate in java << they've really been lowering the bar eh

00:03:24 Adlai: used to be you needed to write a macro to get your shilly wings

00:04:14 mircea_popescu: honestly i never saw someoine who could code call themselves "code literate in x". sounds more like something i'd say.

00:05:11 Adlai: fwiw that nick means "dark pig"

00:14:43 scoopbot_revived: Changing the BitBet resolution process. http://fraudsters.com/2015/changing-the-bitbet-resolution-process/

00:19:49 asciilifeform: wtf does 'code literate' mean

00:20:35 asciilifeform: for instance, i've met folks who 'i know c' but cannot tell me how 'duff's device' works

00:20:59 asciilifeform: ( http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/duffs-device.html << for n00bz)

00:21:00 assbot: Tom Duff on Duff's Device ... ( http://bit.ly/1RhZZPQ )

00:25:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169198 << umpteenth 'usg vs. clinically retarded schmuck' match. wake me up when the 'usg vs. smart folks' match is being played.

00:25:10 assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 23:12:39; trinque: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting-zombie-apocalypse-assault-vehicle-and-troop-transport/ << looks to be the one

00:27:08 mircea_popescu: "A second poster tried the test, but botched the implementation, proving only that with diligence it is possible to make anything run slowly."

00:27:09 mircea_popescu: win

00:28:31 asciilifeform: duff's device is ~3 wks older than i am.

00:29:28 mircea_popescu: bang emailpaths too

00:29:32 asciilifeform: http://everything2.com/title/Duff%2527s+device << see also.

00:29:34 assbot: Duff's device - Everything2.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ri0Ujk )

00:29:34 mircea_popescu: ah lordy.

00:30:32 mircea_popescu: From research!ucbvax!dagobah!td Sun Nov 13 07:35:46 1983

00:30:33 mircea_popescu: Received: by ucbvax.ARPA (4.16/4.13) id AA18997; Sun, 13 Nov 83 07:35:46 pst

00:30:33 mircea_popescu: Received: by dagobah.LFL (4.6/4.6b) id AA01034; Thu, 10 Nov 83 17:57:56 PST

00:30:35 mircea_popescu: three fuckenb days.

00:30:55 asciilifeform: hey, usenet.

00:31:05 asciilifeform: 3, or 33, just the same.

00:32:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38050 @ 0.00041736 = 15.8805 BTC [-] {2}

00:34:09 mircea_popescu: "It amazes me that after 10 years of writing C there are still little corners that I haven't explored fully. "

00:34:10 mircea_popescu: top kek

00:34:39 asciilifeform: 'corners of c' are not unlike 'corners of chess'

00:36:01 mircea_popescu: what do you mean "how it works" anyway ? cheaper to compare than to iterate.

00:36:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: many n00bs begin with 'wtf how does this even compile'

00:36:39 mircea_popescu: why shouldn't it compile ?

00:37:14 *: asciilifeform was not one of them, cannot answer

00:37:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169180 << my objection is not 'breaks backups', but 'breaks brainwallets'

00:37:58 assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 23:04:20; ben_vulpes: wai wut how do they not break backups.

00:37:59 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169188 < yeah sennheiser has gone down in quality over the past few years too, they have to try to milk the idiot-herd too I guess

00:37:59 assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 23:08:30; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168375 < actually sennheiser is meh. here i have a 20$ headphones that beat the shit out of 200 and 350$ sennheisers.

00:38:06 asciilifeform: (see recent 'brainwallet' thread)

00:38:24 mircea_popescu: is it because they imagien that the "do" only exists in case 0

00:38:32 mircea_popescu: and otherwise there's a "dangling while" ?

00:38:40 mircea_popescu: this isn't how the compilers [used to] work

00:39:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha

00:39:21 asciilifeform: 'wires cross that must not cross' or the like.

00:39:33 mircea_popescu: actually i appreciate now why you mentioned it

00:39:45 asciilifeform: breaks some folks' mental model of c

00:39:48 mircea_popescu: this is a subtle but perhaps excellent test for distinguishing the categories you proposed

00:39:54 asciilifeform: there we go

00:40:04 *: asciilifeform appreciates mircea_popescu's quickness on the uptake

00:40:13 mircea_popescu: "they who imagine the computer is god" from "they who imagine the computer is this tramp they picked up hitchhiking and will fcuk her a little before cutting her up to pieces"

00:40:23 asciilifeform: ^ this and precisely this

00:40:30 mircea_popescu: incidentally, the original babbage wonderment is perhaps the first clash of the two

00:40:46 mircea_popescu: "why should the machine put out the right numbers regardless ?!?! BECAUSE IT IS THE MACHINE"

00:41:24 asciilifeform: the ultimate stage of this development is to realize that the tramp was already dead, cut up by a long series of maniacs previously, and one's job is to in fact stitch its parts together into a frankensteinian creature of one's own conception

00:41:49 mircea_popescu: before fucking her a while before cutting her up again

00:41:54 asciilifeform: naturally.

00:41:55 asciilifeform: how else.

00:42:54 asciilifeform: of course, folks who regularly deal with the output of c compiler cannot be surprised by duff's device

00:43:12 mircea_popescu: actually, any half good lawyer wouldnt be surprised either.

00:43:17 mircea_popescu: this is exactly how law works too.

00:43:18 asciilifeform: the 'mystery moment' only exists for those who began their study with c or similar

00:43:51 decimation: the confusing thing to me is the closure in the middle of the switch

00:43:52 asciilifeform: 'language lawyer' is a term of art for a reason.

00:43:54 mircea_popescu: but it is a powerful indictment of the "colored bits" concept. because lo! the compiler doth NOT CARE whence this executionable bitcoin went. merely what it says

00:44:03 mircea_popescu: if the while has where to return, it is happy.

00:44:05 asciilifeform: aha.

00:44:36 asciilifeform: sorta like the machine doesn't care if such-and-such is getting jumped to because a d00d munged the return address through buffer overflow, etc

00:44:43 asciilifeform: !s cold equations

00:44:44 assbot: 16 results for 'cold equations' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cold+equations

00:44:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00041553 = 22.8334 BTC [-] {4}

00:44:58 decimation: I guess if it compiles and produces machine code, machine will execute

00:44:58 asciilifeform: ^ the basic story of the whole 'camel hump' thing, long before pc

00:45:28 mircea_popescu: decimation the only way that wouldn't compile is if you specifically put custom code in tyh4e compiler to complain about it

00:45:43 mircea_popescu: and i bet you for any bayesian filter you can come up with someone can find a circumventer

00:47:05 decimation: yeah, no compiler/static checker can possibly consider all cases

00:47:40 decimation: any more than enumerate all possible chess 'corners'

00:49:24 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number < shannon and others estimated number of chess positions to be around 2^155

00:49:25 assbot: Shannon number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TClmPN )

00:49:32 mircea_popescu: that said, it's prolly a safe bet that contemporary compilers do in fact complain

00:49:34 mircea_popescu: i dunno.

00:49:51 mircea_popescu: (about trivial cases, obviously)

00:50:54 mircea_popescu: anyway : the do doesn't exist when it appears in the code, but when the returning while is looking for it. much like the tits on the girl don't belong to the girl.

00:51:11 decimation: gcc swallows it without complaint

00:51:32 mircea_popescu: was thinking more like visualc / msvc / whatever

00:56:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Police disabled the vehicle with a .50 caliber rifle shot to the engine block."

00:56:09 decimation: "I cannot quote chapter and verse, but Larry Rosler, who was chairman of the language subcommittee (I think), has assured me that X3J11 considered it carefully and decided that it was legal."

00:56:22 mircea_popescu: you know what happened. some lt in that preceinct had a .5 DE in his special closet.

00:56:32 mircea_popescu: i dun wanna hear any more bitching about that gun

00:58:37 decimation: https://web.archive.org/web/20070106181008/http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/08/02/152847.php < nearly 50 years ago, before swat teams, police just asked local folks come with their guns and help

00:58:39 assbot: Charles Whitman and Futureshock 40 Years Later @ Blogcritics.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1TCmkvg )

00:59:30 mircea_popescu: well, a posse

00:59:33 decimation: "What struck me as most fascinating were the accounts from several sources of how the police dealt with the lack of covering fire that a SWAT team would provide today. They just went to citizens in the area and asked them to bring their rifles and shoot at the tower, and they all went to their pickups, got their deer rifles and did what they could to help."

00:59:41 decimation: "Their covering fire kept Whitman down and limited him to shooting through a drain opening, pretty much stopping the killing and giving officers the opportunity to get into the building. The officers also deputized one of the citizens to go with them into the tower to give them a bit more firepower, although he didn't end up facing Whitman.

01:01:29 decimation: they probably didnt' use a .50 DE, they probably had a proper anti-material rifle

01:02:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54850 @ 0.0004272 = 23.4319 BTC [+] {2}

01:03:51 *: mircea_popescu doesn't think so.

01:04:20 mircea_popescu: iirc amr .5 is a russian idea.

01:04:38 mircea_popescu: nato fires 99mm

01:04:54 decimation: I doubt a .50 action express has enough power to penetrate armor

01:05:48 trinque: asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169198 << umpteenth 'usg vs. clinically retarded schmuck' match. wake me up when the 'usg vs. smart folks' match is being played. << weather's getting hotter all the time

01:05:48 assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 23:12:39; trinque: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting-zombie-apocalypse-assault-vehicle-and-troop-transport/ << looks to be the one

01:06:22 decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah but the desert eagle round is only 33 mm long

01:06:50 decimation: has about 10x less energy

01:08:40 decimation: http://controversialtimes.com/news/dallas-gunman-killed-by-single-shot-from-snipers-50-caliber-rifle/ < was .50 bmg rifle

01:08:42 assbot: Dallas Gunman Killed by Single Shot from Sniper’s .50 Caliber Rifle ... ( http://bit.ly/1TCnyXm )

01:08:47 trinque: joe stack et al, glory to them all

01:09:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00041203 = 11.3102 BTC [-] {2}

01:10:08 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169341 << no!! 'barrett.' standard issue in usa to police since a few yrs ago

01:10:08 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 00:56:22; mircea_popescu: you know what happened. some lt in that preceinct had a .5 DE in his special closet.

01:10:19 asciilifeform: precisely for occasions like this

01:10:40 asciilifeform: if anyone recalls, a while ago i posted photos from my town's police expo. they had just such a rifle, and introduced it as 'for cars'

01:11:22 decimation: yes and the armor piercing .50 bmg rounds are common.

01:11:35 decimation: I have a friend who has one, they are fairly common among shooting enthusiasts

01:11:44 asciilifeform: a little costly

01:11:46 asciilifeform: but available

01:11:52 decimation: yeah

01:12:05 decimation: he told me the cheapest way to get ammo is to buy usg surplus

01:12:12 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG#/media/File:Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg << far left of photo

01:12:12 assbot: .50 BMG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IplYzm )

01:12:23 decimation: apparently after the round is shipped too many times, the powder becomes too fine and burns off too quickly

01:12:32 decimation: usg sells shell as surplus, can reload yourself

01:13:08 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Action_Express#/media/File:50_AE_and_32_ACP.jpg << left side - the cartridge mircea_popescu may have been thinking of

01:13:08 assbot: .50 Action Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ipm61Q )

01:13:49 asciilifeform: iirc it was pitched for 'big game'

01:13:58 decimation: the .50 ae?

01:14:01 asciilifeform: aha

01:14:06 decimation: it's not really strong enough for that either

01:14:15 decimation: maybe at really close range

01:15:08 asciilifeform: there are a few ludicrously heavy pistols that fire .50ae. for some reason mircea_popescu seems to like'em.

01:15:41 decimation: maybe he spent his youth playing counterstrike

01:17:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169352 << 99mm would be a cannon shell - if it existed

01:17:10 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 01:04:38; mircea_popescu: nato fires 99mm

01:17:24 asciilifeform: (perhaps mircea_popescu was thinking of famous nazi '88' ?)

01:17:27 decimation: I assume he meant .50x99mm

01:18:00 asciilifeform: ah

01:18:47 asciilifeform: ru version has same, iirc, bullet, but 108mm shell

01:18:50 asciilifeform: (why? ask'em not me)

01:20:39 decimation: asciilifeform: apparently the marine snipers use .308 with only 1000 yards range http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/why-the-marines-have-failed-to-adopt-a-new-sniper-rifle-in-the-past-14-years/2015/06/13/cb924d96-0eaf-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html

01:20:40 assbot: Why the Marines have failed to adopt a new sniper rifle in the past 14 years - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpmuO7 )

01:20:57 decimation: taliban/isil with .50 cal dshk can outrange them

01:21:19 asciilifeform: in nato armies, 'sniper' is often used interchangeably with 'designated marksman' which are rather different jobs

01:22:04 decimation: yeah it isn't clear if this article is about actual snipers or designated marksmen

01:23:11 asciilifeform: at any rate, u.s. police love these things. for shooting through cars, boats, walls

01:25:47 decimation: yeah, in this case it obviously came in handy

01:26:07 decimation: but this will be the one corner case that will justify $mil in usg 'requirements'

01:26:35 asciilifeform: iirc most of them were handed out to police by pentagon, for 'free' (gulfwar2 surplus)

01:26:59 decimation: yeah probably

01:27:14 asciilifeform: for enthusiasts - 5-8k usd.

01:27:18 asciilifeform: who wants - go, buy.

01:27:36 decimation: if you fill out reams of usg paperwork and file for license you can also have .50 machine gun

01:27:37 asciilifeform: (usa. no idea what equiv. is elsewhere.)

01:27:43 decimation: but be ready to spend $$$ for ammo

01:27:53 asciilifeform: at ~5 usd / round, one has to really like the music.

01:28:01 decimation: heh yeah

01:33:41 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169336 << which is why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169312

01:33:41 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 00:50:54; mircea_popescu: anyway : the do doesn't exist when it appears in the code, but when the returning while is looking for it. much like the tits on the girl don't belong to the girl.

01:33:41 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 00:42:54; asciilifeform: of course, folks who regularly deal with the output of c compiler cannot be surprised by duff's device

01:34:01 asciilifeform: 'duff's device' represents 'leaking abstraction' concept.

01:34:41 asciilifeform: (it rubs the reader's face in the fact that all c control structures translate into jumps, which are quite the same as the much-maligned 'goto')

01:35:36 asciilifeform: compiler won't let you cross stack frames, though

01:35:44 asciilifeform: (for this, you need setjmp()...)

01:37:28 asciilifeform: phun phakt: 'scheme' programming language has its 'call-with-current-continuation', perhaps the oddest and 'most generic' control structure known, which takes the current place in execution and turns it into an assignable (yes) closure (i.e. callable function!) -- typically it is implemented using setjmp().

01:37:52 asciilifeform: http://www.madore.org/~david/computers/callcc.html << see also.

01:37:52 assbot: A page about call/cc ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpnEZK )

01:38:29 asciilifeform: call/cc reliably melts n00bs' brains when first encountered.

01:39:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29521 @ 0.00041292 = 12.1898 BTC [-]

01:47:02 mircea_popescu: decimation aha right you were.

01:52:46 decimation: asciilifeform: might as well set program counter directly

02:02:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44598 @ 0.00041157 = 18.3552 BTC [-] {3}

02:08:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00040329 = 2.5811 BTC [-]

02:18:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00040024 = 7.0442 BTC [-]

02:21:54 decimation: http://www.irishexaminer.com/world/airplane-stowaway-plunges-to-his-death-338044.html

02:21:54 assbot: Airplane stowaway plunges to his death | Irish Examiner ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxuUVw )

02:37:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00040013 = 12.0839 BTC [-] {2}

02:42:52 decimation: !up indiancandy1

02:46:40 indiancandy1: hey bitches

02:47:20 mircea_popescu: haha.

02:47:25 mircea_popescu: you on xotika yet ?

02:47:40 indiancandy1: were

02:47:52 mircea_popescu: https://xotika.tv/

02:47:53 assbot: XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J9j8V5 )

02:47:54 indiancandy1: mp did u run a porn business

02:48:03 mircea_popescu: sort-of.

02:48:22 indiancandy1: few years ago

02:48:24 indiancandy1: ?

02:48:29 mircea_popescu: yeah.

02:48:51 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1155/freeseas-inc-nasdaq-free-will-trade-at-least-0-10/#c4849 < lmao

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02:49:46 indiancandy1: what

02:49:51 indiancandy1: what did u do

02:50:01 indiancandy1: sell porn on a irc

02:50:10 indiancandy1: is xotika ur thing

02:51:05 indiancandy1: hello

02:51:22 decimation: wtf why are people betting on random greek shipping companies?

02:51:55 mircea_popescu: decimation i have nfi.

02:52:00 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 nah it's naphex'

02:52:24 indiancandy1: im greek

02:52:25 indiancandy1: :P

02:52:28 indiancandy1: well half

02:52:32 decimation: lol FREE has -336% net profit 2014

02:52:40 indiancandy1: is he onine

02:52:44 indiancandy1: naphex message me

02:54:59 indiancandy1: mircea

02:55:06 indiancandy1: tell me about ur porn production

02:55:58 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 not much to tell, back before you were born porn used ot make money.

02:56:32 indiancandy1: what did u do though

02:56:36 indiancandy1: direct produc

02:56:37 indiancandy1: star>

02:56:39 indiancandy1: ?

02:57:02 mircea_popescu: i was a producer/backer.

02:58:55 indiancandy1: in usa

02:58:57 indiancandy1: eu?

02:59:05 mircea_popescu: eu

02:59:23 mircea_popescu: not at the time yet, but anyway

03:00:28 indiancandy1: interestin

03:00:31 indiancandy1: why didnt u tel me

03:00:45 mircea_popescu: how did you find out in the first place ?

03:01:12 indiancandy1: i was in here

03:01:16 indiancandy1: ppl were tlkin about porn

03:01:18 indiancandy1: someone said

03:01:22 indiancandy1: u used 2 direct porn

03:01:25 indiancandy1: i was like no way

03:01:52 mircea_popescu: well so then that's why i didn't tell you, because i told them. i can't do everything myself.

03:02:17 mircea_popescu: memory is getting hazy after all the years, but i dun think i actually directed anything

03:02:48 indiancandy1: you just invested

03:02:53 indiancandy1: in porn

03:02:58 indiancandy1: in porn

03:03:05 indiancandy1: east europe

03:03:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86600 @ 0.00040669 = 35.2194 BTC [+] {5}

03:03:36 mircea_popescu: a producer is traditionally more like the adult in charge of the children on the set.

03:04:23 decimation: what's the difference between that and the director?

03:04:57 indiancandy1: producer is the finance i belive

03:05:12 mircea_popescu: the director's more like the spiritual leader of teh tribe. the producer just makes sure they have enough food and don't fight with it.

03:05:14 indiancandy1: so you were on set watching the talent

03:05:41 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i fucked plenty of them, dun worry.

03:05:57 mircea_popescu: kinda half the point of the entire thing.

03:06:01 mircea_popescu: the small half, but nevertheless.

03:07:13 indiancandy1: ahaha

03:07:14 indiancandy1: omg mp

03:07:19 indiancandy1: shocking

03:07:34 mircea_popescu: you shock easily.

03:07:55 indiancandy1: well

03:07:57 indiancandy1: i duno

03:08:02 indiancandy1: so u out the game now

03:08:04 indiancandy1: ?

03:08:45 mircea_popescu: but in any case, ima direct something with girls in it, so twedledoo

03:09:33 indiancandy1: yea

03:09:41 indiancandy1: damn

03:09:44 indiancandy1: i got sleepin issues

03:12:20 cazalla: count sheep

03:12:48 indiancandy1: omg

03:12:55 indiancandy1: u no anastasia

03:12:58 indiancandy1: is from romania

03:13:06 indiancandy1: the makeup mogul

03:13:10 indiancandy1: i watched her documentry

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03:26:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8234 @ 0.00040011 = 3.2945 BTC [-]

03:32:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00041601 = 5.3665 BTC [+]

03:33:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22656 @ 0.00041601 = 9.4251 BTC [+]

03:33:58 mats: lol.

03:38:01 decimation: mats: the low line density?

03:39:26 mats: no i think indiancandy is funny

03:39:53 mats: am imagining cali valley girl with bollywood english accent

03:41:44 decimation: heh

03:43:24 decimation: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/17/home-school-shanghai-school-and-american-k-12-all-in-one-conversation/ < lulz

03:43:25 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Home school, Shanghai school, and American K-12 all in one conversation ... ( http://bit.ly/1ewosVy )

03:43:44 decimation: " In Shanghai the children, age 5 and 11, had attended an international school that was so demanding the parents had to stay up tutoring until 11 pm some nights. Public school in the Boston suburbs, by contrast, is so easy that the children don?t need any after-school help."

03:43:50 decimation: "However, the mother now has to spend nearly all of her time managing household affairs. ?We had three people to help us in Shanghai,? said the father, ?but here just weekly cleaners.?"

03:44:06 decimation: ^ note that about half the population in the us is paid by the state to do nothing

03:44:15 decimation: they could be doing something useful, like cleaning toilets

03:53:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18333 @ 0.00042362 = 7.7662 BTC [+]

04:00:22 decimation: !up gares

04:01:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00042306 = 19.4396 BTC [-] {3}

04:04:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14080 @ 0.00042495 = 5.9833 BTC [+] {2}

04:28:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10592 @ 0.00043002 = 4.5548 BTC [+] {2}

04:41:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40421 @ 0.00043264 = 17.4877 BTC [+] {2}

05:22:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17818 @ 0.00043329 = 7.7204 BTC [+] {2}

05:23:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2405 @ 0.00042738 = 1.0278 BTC [-]

05:24:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80426 @ 0.00042129 = 33.8827 BTC [-] {3}

05:56:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51550 @ 0.00042833 = 22.0804 BTC [+]

06:07:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00041552 = 5.2979 BTC [-]

06:25:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17292 @ 0.00042351 = 7.3233 BTC [+] {2}

06:32:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16274 @ 0.00041552 = 6.7622 BTC [-]

06:35:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12819 @ 0.00041541 = 5.3251 BTC [-]

06:57:04 mats: http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Security-Research-Blog/There-and-back-again-a-journey-through-bounty-award-and/ba-p/6756465

06:57:07 assbot: There and back again: a journey through bounty awa... - HP Enterprise Business Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpcGCp )

06:57:46 mats: > the team is disclosing full details of the Microsoft Internet Explorer research submitted after receiving confirmation that Microsoft does not intend to patch the Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR) flaw involved.

07:06:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00041541 = 20.7705 BTC [-]

07:15:18 mats: http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2015/06/18/combat-engineer-specialty-opens-to-women/28916319

07:15:20 assbot: Combat engineer specialty opens to women soldiers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gpf8sl )

07:15:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00041541 = 12.94 BTC [-]

07:26:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00041117 = 14.9871 BTC [-] {2}

07:31:42 mats: http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/06/pentagon-building-cruise-missile-shield-defend-us-cities-russia/115723

07:31:43 assbot: Pentagon Building Cruise Missile Shield To Defend US Cities From Russia - Defense One ... ( http://bit.ly/1GphuYu )

07:36:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96796 @ 0.00042048 = 40.7008 BTC [+] {3}

07:39:17 punkman: lolwut

07:44:38 punkman: http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0620/c90882-8909341.html

07:44:39 assbot: Walnut too hard for cellphone screen - People's Daily Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpjkZb )

08:11:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00041201 = 5.3355 BTC [-]

08:31:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10268 @ 0.00041188 = 4.2292 BTC [-] {2}

08:33:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12632 @ 0.00041466 = 5.238 BTC [+] {2}

08:35:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138900 @ 0.00040736 = 56.5823 BTC [-] {4}

08:45:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00040519 = 7.2934 BTC [-]

09:07:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00040519 = 7.2529 BTC [-]

09:22:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00042043 = 23.0816 BTC [+] {5}

09:30:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00040363 = 4.4601 BTC [-] {2}

09:53:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14107 @ 0.00042078 = 5.9359 BTC [+]

10:41:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00041834 = 4.8109 BTC [-]

10:53:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00042078 = 4.2499 BTC [+]

11:03:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00042143 = 16.3726 BTC [+] {2}

11:15:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00041815 = 13.3808 BTC [-] {2}

11:19:11 punkman: http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/radioexp/

11:19:12 assbot: Stealing Keys from PCs using a Radio: Cheap Electromagnetic Attacks on Windowed Exponentiation ... ( http://bit.ly/1QIbdSA )

11:24:07 jurov: hush, lest you cause alf to start measuring cardano emanations and delay the project 10 years

11:30:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00042437 = 13.2403 BTC [+] {2}

11:45:17 mircea_popescu: punkman antenna has to be very close and the reason they use it on laptops is that it doesn't actually work on metallic chassis desktops.

11:47:20 mircea_popescu: (not even going into the details of how running bitcoin in the background provides nearly perfect defense for all this, because good luck distinguishing)

11:51:11 mircea_popescu: "In order to extend the attack range, we added a 50dB gain stage using a pair of inexpensive low-noise amplifiers (Mini-Circuits ZFL-500LN+ and ZFL-1000LN+ in series, 175$ total). We also added a low-pass filter before the amplifiers. With this enhanced setup, the attack can be mounted from 50 cm away. Using better antennas, amplifiers and digitizers, the range can be extended even further."

11:51:33 mircea_popescu: yes, further, but logarithmically. the next 1k spent adds 10 cm. the next 100k spent adds another 10 cm. etc.

11:52:26 mircea_popescu: "Q5: What if I can't get physically close enough to the target computer?

11:52:26 mircea_popescu: There are still attacks that can be mounted from large distances. Laptop-chassis potential, measured from the far end of virtually any shielded cable connected to the laptop" << tells you all you actually wanted to know.

12:00:29 PeterL: who is running scoopbot_revived ?

12:00:53 mircea_popescu: williamdunne

12:01:07 mircea_popescu: how's the new job ?

12:01:20 PeterL: it's going good, but keeps me pretty busy

12:02:22 mircea_popescu: ;;google anastasia the make-up mogul

12:02:24 gribble: Looks created by Jazmin Makeup Moguls on Pinterest | Bobbi ...: https://www.pinterest.com/makeupmoguls/looks-created-by-jazmin-makeup-moguls/; Makeup - Anastasia Beverly Hills: http://www.anastasiabeverlyhills.com/makeup.html; Anastasia Beverly Hills | Sephora: http://www.sephora.com/anastasia-beverly-hills

12:02:31 mircea_popescu: o.O

12:02:37 mircea_popescu: all these things which exist...

12:04:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00042548 = 8.4032 BTC [+]

12:04:21 PeterL: ;;later tell williamdunne want me to give you the nick "scoopbot" for your bot?

12:04:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:11:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00042592 = 12.0322 BTC [+] {2}

12:15:46 mircea_popescu: "[How is it possible for an adult American to need to spend full-time maintaining a 20-year-old house? I got some insight into this the other day. << holy shit the us has turned into 80s romania.

12:18:21 PeterL: link?

12:18:53 mircea_popescu: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/17/home-school-shanghai-school-and-american-k-12-all-in-one-conversation/

12:18:54 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Home school, Shanghai school, and American K-12 all in one conversation ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnFENk )

12:18:56 mircea_popescu: was in the log earlier

12:22:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, the comments on that article are particularly retarded. one schmuck that can barely spell brings the entire "football team fan" argument, without a trace of irony or even the faintest hint of self awareness. he honestly believes that since "technology" today is better than 100 years ago, while the math kids could do out of highschool back then was 10x harder, it then follows that studying hard has no payoff.

12:23:56 mircea_popescu: some other schmuck by the name of "jim" explains that he would really really want everyone to beliueve that hte children of special people are not in fact special by this fact, but merely indistinct mass, because everything's equal, and moreover that kids who didn't go through the everything's equal idiocizer "lack the ability to empathize with their peers", which is codetalk for "do not credit the idiotic propositiopn

12:23:57 mircea_popescu: that everyoner's equal"

12:24:13 mircea_popescu: i have no fucking clue how greenspun keeps from going on a shooting rampage, living with these idiots.

12:28:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51630 @ 0.00042824 = 22.11 BTC [+] {2}

12:29:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58820 @ 0.00043053 = 25.3238 BTC [+] {2}

12:30:49 mircea_popescu: all i can see is

12:30:50 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-75.345-75.434

12:30:51 assbot: The definitive tract on sociopathy on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnGysY )

12:34:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15909 @ 0.00041799 = 6.6498 BTC [-]

12:49:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32747 @ 0.00043423 = 14.2197 BTC [+] {3}

13:01:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29294 @ 0.00044143 = 12.9313 BTC [+] {3}

13:23:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00042196 = 9.2198 BTC [-]

13:32:36 mircea_popescu: "Nevertheless, if at issue is to find out if FartFarer was the DukeDickwalker's father or uncle one can always trust the wikidorks got it right."

13:32:44 mircea_popescu: so im binge-reading fraudsters and shit i love myself.

13:38:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.0004199 = 19.2314 BTC [-] {2}

13:43:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00044058 = 8.1067 BTC [+]

13:45:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18255 @ 0.0004448 = 8.1198 BTC [+] {3}

13:52:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00042428 = 22.8687 BTC [-] {2}

14:09:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00041799 = 2.487 BTC [-]

14:31:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38574 @ 0.00041562 = 16.0321 BTC [-] {2}

14:49:39 mircea_popescu: !up Drhelmut

14:49:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00041267 = 2.93 BTC [-]

14:51:12 Drhelmut: Yo guys

14:51:20 Drhelmut: thx mircea

14:55:47 danielpbarron: http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt << allegedly by the church shooting guy

14:55:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2MYcm )

14:56:14 danielpbarron: > Yet when we learn about anything important done by a black person in history, it is always pointed out repeatedly that they were black. For example when we learn about how George Washington carver was the first bobbaer smart enough to open a peanut.

14:59:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18420 @ 0.0004223 = 7.7788 BTC [+]

15:00:20 mircea_popescu: rhodesia eh ?

15:01:14 danielpbarron: > I dont pretend to understand why jews do what they do. They are enigma.

15:01:16 mircea_popescu: The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words �black on White crime� into Google, and I have never been the same since that

15:01:16 mircea_popescu: day.

15:04:12 mircea_popescu: anyway, as a present day slave owner that thing makes for a pretty amusing read.

15:10:26 mircea_popescu: "A horse and a donkey can breed and make a mule, but they are still two completely different animals. Just because we can breed with the other races doesnt make us the same. " << this is actually a flawed argument on multiple levels. first off, the mule is sterile. second off, the ability to conceive is a very good measure of species proximity. thirdly, there's no proposition of "identity", there's no such thing as bio

15:10:26 mircea_popescu: logical identity, or for that matter identity in nature.

15:10:34 mircea_popescu: the multicultural proposition is idempotence, not identity.

15:14:23 mircea_popescu: "I think that if we could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldnt cause much of a problem." bwahaha dude...

15:14:25 mircea_popescu: why the fuck ?

15:15:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00042732 = 13.8024 BTC [+] {2}

15:18:48 mircea_popescu: "I will say this though, I myself would have rather lived in 1940's American than Nazi Germany, and no this is not ignorance speaking, it is just my opinion." << holy shit, by the time a guy with serious respect for opinions as a mental construct and a preference for historical us over nazi germany goes shooting up the police station you know the sops problem hath come full circle.

15:19:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00042467 = 5.1597 BTC [-]

15:19:20 mircea_popescu: chomsky warned it will, there's http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-349.0-349.11

15:19:21 assbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Phfq )

15:19:52 mircea_popescu: the us is no longer governable. they can do all usual the song and dance about how "crazy" etc the guy was,

15:20:00 danielpbarron: this isn't the police station guy

15:20:00 mircea_popescu: but there's no stopping the flood of them.

15:20:49 danielpbarron: i guess there were two shootings recently; the church one is all over the news and apparently the police station guy isn't

15:21:53 mircea_popescu: there's going to be weeks with a thousand shootings,

15:21:58 mircea_popescu: if the old whore has enough in her to take it.

15:22:08 mircea_popescu: and ten thousand, and a hundred thousand.

15:22:34 mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately at the time of writing I am in a great hurry and some of my best thoughts, actually many of them have been to be left out and lost forever. But I believe enough great White minds are out there already."

15:23:10 mircea_popescu: the minds are scarcely the problem. which is part of why i credit so little the entire "iq" verbiage. if iq were the determining factor in anything we'd be living on the moon already.

15:51:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41961 @ 0.00043737 = 18.3525 BTC [+] {3}

15:57:05 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

15:57:09 gribble: Current Blocks: 361783 | Current Difficulty: 4.969238635489384E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 362879 | Next Difficulty In: 1096 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 4 hours, 17 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

16:04:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49689 @ 0.0004489 = 22.3054 BTC [+]

16:35:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00044459 = 5.2906 BTC [-]

16:40:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00045217 = 6.1947 BTC [+]

16:41:02 mats: http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/june/mass-extinction-ehrlich-061915.html

16:41:04 assbot: Stanford researcher says sixth mass extinction is here ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVwTDJ )

16:42:46 pete_dushenski: "Using fossil records and extinction counts from a range of records" << not the most complete picture, this. sorta hard to draw conclusions on how many cheeses there are in the world based on the ones at your local grocery store

16:46:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.0004383 = 9.0728 BTC [-]

16:49:14 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169575 << that laptops are only marginally more sane and secure than smartfones, and that proper computing is desktop computing.

16:49:14 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 11:52:26; mircea_popescu: There are still attacks that can be mounted from large distances. Laptop-chassis potential, measured from the far end of virtually any shielded cable connected to the laptop" << tells you all you actually wanted to know.

16:52:25 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169607 << haha. any other gems to share with the class ?

16:52:25 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 13:32:44; mircea_popescu: so im binge-reading fraudsters and shit i love myself.

16:54:00 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

16:54:01 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.91, Best ask: 243.92, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 243.8, 24 hour volume: 30090.14772989, 24 hour low: 240.0, 24 hour high: 247.81, 24 hour vwap: None

16:57:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00043425 = 5.1024 BTC [-]

17:02:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.0004383 = 3.7256 BTC [+]

17:04:21 pete_dushenski: been following that spandrell character that decimation put the chan onto a few weeks back and i have to say that i enjoy and appreciate his historical research and perspective, but it's a shame how badly the kid still cowers in fear of his own shadow

17:04:56 pete_dushenski: talking about how "we need to coordinate to protect from sjws"

17:05:47 pete_dushenski: i left him a comment trying to wipe the shit from his eyes but i dun think it was particularly effective

17:05:51 pete_dushenski: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/17/public-speech-is-a-bad-idea/#comment-6724

17:05:52 assbot: Public speech is a bad idea | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVyXvE )

17:07:15 pete_dushenski: i still keep reading him. but he really ought to show up here. i'll have to invite him around one of these days.

17:11:48 pete_dushenski: "The French generals were a lot tougher and better educated than almost anyone in US uniform today. They'd started off doing Jedburgh team jumps into occupied France in WW2, went on through the meat grinder of Indonesia (many through Dien Bien Phu) and Algeria. In the meantime, they'd gotten real educations, not degrees in Business Management from West Dickhole State like your typical US officer."

17:12:03 pete_dushenski: "I understood that a career spent in a careerist organization has the effect of undermining character and training/selecting for poor moral courage, and that nobody in the US military with the rank and position to plan and launch a coup had the courage to do so successfully."

17:13:22 pete_dushenski: encouraging, no ?

17:14:22 pete_dushenski: a buncha unmotivated, uneducated, unincentivised, uncivilised deskjockeys make up the most 'powerful' arms of the firstbestlargestfastest state in the world

17:16:02 pete_dushenski: if there is a lizard hitler, he's struggling for air beneath his 1000kg cloak of redditardation

17:16:25 pete_dushenski: last two quotes from http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2540

17:16:27 assbot: JL: ‘A Career Spent in a Careerist Organization’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVA2DJ )

17:17:07 pete_dushenski: and it's too beautiful to not be outside right now so ima be gone with the wind !

17:19:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133850 @ 0.00042284 = 56.5971 BTC [-] {4}

17:32:56 thestringpuller: i'm real tired of your shit gavin andressen

17:33:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00043831 = 7.9334 BTC [+] {2}

17:34:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00045217 = 1.9443 BTC [+]

18:06:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105300 @ 0.0004292 = 45.1948 BTC [-] {2}

18:13:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27914 @ 0.00041573 = 11.6047 BTC [-]

18:14:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00042197 = 12.4481 BTC [+]

18:15:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169637 << 'not governable' is when the tax receipts dry up, and the cities burn. not when schmuck #xxxxxx fires a few pot shots at cop and dies same day

18:15:13 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 15:19:52; mircea_popescu: the us is no longer governable. they can do all usual the song and dance about how "crazy" etc the guy was,

18:16:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169570 << actually works great on desktops. peripheral wiring (and power line) - excellent antennae

18:16:21 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 11:45:17; mircea_popescu: punkman antenna has to be very close and the reason they use it on laptops is that it doesn't actually work on metallic chassis desktops.

18:17:10 asciilifeform: (yet another reason to run on a double-converter 'ups' or at least an isolator transformer!)

18:17:48 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169656 << see above

18:17:48 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 16:49:14; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169575 << that laptops are only marginally more sane and secure than smartfones, and that proper computing is desktop computing.

18:18:31 punkman: yeah I'd rather do airgap on laptop with battery than desktop

18:18:35 asciilifeform: did i write here re: how a keyboard (esp. a decent 1980s 'ps/2' one) can be 'heard' from across the street ?

18:18:41 asciilifeform: pretty sure that i did.

18:20:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169653 << orlov is obsessed with that fella

18:20:03 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 16:41:04; assbot: Stanford researcher says sixth mass extinction is here ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVwTDJ )

18:24:11 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169594 << i read that comment differently - that genetic garbage will not turn into something else regardless of where schooled

18:24:11 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 12:23:56; mircea_popescu: some other schmuck by the name of "jim" explains that he would really really want everyone to beliueve that hte children of special people are not in fact special by this fact, but merely indistinct mass, because everything's equal, and moreover that kids who didn't go through the everything's equal idiocizer "lack the ability to empathize with their peers", which is codetalk for "do not credit the i

18:25:17 asciilifeform: in the past, there was a great deal of noise esp. in usa re: how slum children, in their rookeries, were the way they were solely on account of lead poisoning. well, where is the lead now? and how are the rookeries ?

18:25:48 asciilifeform: ditto for public schooling vs whatever other kind

18:26:38 *: asciilifeform ran into a number of 'home school' veterans at uni. did not notice anything peculiar about them as people, neither for better or worse.

18:28:10 asciilifeform: incidentally, 'children of special people' ~do~ tend towards 'indistinct mass.' yes, dynasties of thinking folks existed, e.g., the bernoulis, etc. but most are more like feynman's daughter

18:28:14 asciilifeform: nothing to write home about

18:28:23 asciilifeform: 'regression to the mean' ~is~ a thing

18:29:13 asciilifeform: (there is an apocryphal story where feynman was invited to spoodge into william shockley's 'sperm bank of genius.' and he said 'you have the wrong address! go call my father'

18:29:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78592 @ 0.00043403 = 34.1113 BTC [+] {4}

18:29:24 asciilifeform: )

18:29:44 TheNewDeal: (tm)?

18:32:03 thestringpuller: (r) (c)

18:32:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33858 @ 0.00041595 = 14.0832 BTC [-] {2}

18:33:25 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169664 << pretty sure i met herr spandrell at handle's party

18:33:25 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 17:04:21; pete_dushenski: been following that spandrell character that decimation put the chan onto a few weeks back and i have to say that i enjoy and appreciate his historical research and perspective, but it's a shame how badly the kid still cowers in fear of his own shadow

18:33:47 asciilifeform: unless i have him symlinked mentally with a similar fella

18:34:02 asciilifeform: (these 'alt right' folks have blended into 'indistinct mass' in my head, sadly)

18:41:59 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169596 << smart folks understand futility very well. which is why 'postals' tend to be played out by borderline tards, to no long-term effect whatsoever

18:41:59 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 12:24:13; mircea_popescu: i have no fucking clue how greenspun keeps from going on a shooting rampage, living with these idiots.

18:47:28 mircea_popescu: i doubt it has anything to do with smart.

18:48:03 mircea_popescu: imo, eunuchs understand... futility. and for bonus lol points, fut is the present indicative of to fuck in romanian.

18:49:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so where are the non-retarded 'postal' ?

18:49:34 asciilifeform: blacked out from news ?

18:49:51 mircea_popescu: i do not think this guy is retarded.

18:50:03 asciilifeform: or, on other end of the spectrum, 'isis' et al - also run by & for tards (and usg stooges)

18:50:06 mircea_popescu: i actually think he is more respectable than pretty much every surviving american.

18:50:30 asciilifeform: respectable perhaps in the chechen 'died a good death' sense

18:50:36 asciilifeform: but what permanent dent did he make in anything?

18:50:46 mircea_popescu: whatever you will call it.

18:50:49 mircea_popescu: yes.

18:50:53 mircea_popescu: he has.

18:51:02 mircea_popescu: obama has left no mark on the world. this man - has.

18:51:17 mircea_popescu: his name i will record, everyone else's - no call.

18:52:39 *: asciilifeform digs for the original link / stats / corpse count

18:54:16 mircea_popescu: you have to dig no further than right here. the fact that you feel teh need to sell me on the idea he never happened is pretty much good enough.

18:55:29 asciilifeform: i'd like to believe that 'happened.' but want to know ~how~. e.g., are there fewer usg cops today than last week? is the fed printing fewer usd ? what, precisely, is this mark.

18:56:14 mircea_popescu: myeah.

18:56:30 mircea_popescu: but the problem is, there's no promise the how will be approachable.

18:56:51 mircea_popescu: otherwise the buddha'd be a cooking recipe.

18:56:54 asciilifeform: so we have 'partizan died for the motherland' situation.

18:57:23 mircea_popescu: i dun think so.

18:57:47 asciilifeform: job of partizan, however, is not simply to 'die with honour', but take some of the scum with him to hell

18:58:03 mircea_popescu: i dun think any of these actually works in this context.

18:58:31 *: asciilifeform is grasping for so much as a hint of what works in this context..

18:58:41 mircea_popescu: let's return to gorgo, the woman that allegedly "spartan women can rule men because they can squeeze them out". her husband famously told her to "mary well and serve her man". also, partizan motherland ?

18:59:21 asciilifeform: sure.

18:59:27 mircea_popescu: well then it's a meaningless concept.

18:59:40 mircea_popescu: ie, applies to everyone dead.

18:59:49 asciilifeform: i get the idea that 'many raindrops -> flood.' but where is the flood ?

18:59:55 asciilifeform: and what is to be flooded

19:00:13 mircea_popescu: nono, the idea is that calling everything the same thing is the opposite of trying to understand. you can't analyse by synthetic means.

19:00:34 mircea_popescu: if your observation about a fact is a word that applies to all facts, you've not even attempted to study the peculiar of the fact.

19:00:43 asciilifeform: i'm balking at the idea that the 'how' is this mystical thing that one cannot even attempt to apprehend

19:01:02 mircea_popescu: one certainly can not attempt to apprehend the death of cesaria evora by saying "niggers"

19:01:07 mircea_popescu: yes, she was black. nevertheless...

19:01:12 asciilifeform: even the 'jihad' folks don't work this way

19:01:19 asciilifeform: they have concrete aims, however simplistic

19:01:56 mircea_popescu: no. i don't think your idea of "aims" actually applies to them.

19:02:05 mircea_popescu: they do not have concrete aims in your definition of such.

19:02:16 asciilifeform: 'the scum must die' is an example of an actionable doctrine

19:02:21 mircea_popescu: it is ?

19:04:23 *: asciilifeform is labouring under a very palpable feeling of failing to get his teeth around the enigma here

19:04:51 asciilifeform: perhaps best comparison is to the mouse in the jar

19:05:10 asciilifeform: say he had beaten his brains out against the glass, while attempting escape. while in a sense this is 'honour', what has mouse accomplished ?

19:05:36 mircea_popescu: but look : the standard european mecanicism is not a universal ideology. actually, plenty of people have never even heard of it. they regard things - often the same things, yes - but that does not necessarily mean they see themwith the same eyes.

19:05:44 asciilifeform: well sure

19:05:51 mircea_popescu: take the easier to digest example of the child who earnestly thinks milk comes from the supermarket.

19:06:04 mircea_popescu: you may think "he eats because hungry - just like me", and he agrees.

19:06:32 mircea_popescu: what if - to him, hungry is the subjective sense of lack induced by watching tv without a milk glass in hand like ... every single case of people watching tv he's seen on tv ?

19:06:38 mircea_popescu: is this, properly, "hunger" ?

19:07:09 asciilifeform: 'philosophical zombie' (tm) (r) ?

19:07:20 mircea_popescu: not even. merely, "european mecanicism zombie"

19:07:35 mircea_popescu: ie, a being not informed by the rote assumptions of your culture.

19:07:44 asciilifeform: btw it is no accident that this term appeared around the same time that these creatures were actually brought into being

19:08:02 mircea_popescu: the ascendancy of ideology does not actually bring anything into being but its own zombies.

19:08:06 mircea_popescu: the rest of the world - unchanged.

19:08:14 mircea_popescu: so the word's backwards.

19:08:33 asciilifeform: so pashtun is actual human, civilized man - zombie ?

19:09:52 asciilifeform: (orlov's '5 stages' book, as well as of course 400 yrs of euro 'wish i were an amerind' material, ends with just this)

19:10:13 asciilifeform: as does limonov, etc.

19:10:42 mircea_popescu: well, not exactly.

19:10:55 mircea_popescu: one's sane and the other mentally ill.

19:11:14 mircea_popescu: because what a dead and decaying civilisation does to the brain is indistinguishable from the early stages of mental illness.

19:11:24 asciilifeform: what planet can i visit to meet sane+civilized ?

19:11:35 mircea_popescu: but the comparison can not be properly carried in civilisational terms - there aren't any. the only common ground is natural, and that's what yields there.

19:11:38 *: asciilifeform readies launcher

19:11:57 mircea_popescu: sane + civilised is only available at times when a civilisation prospers. these aren't these atm.

19:12:11 mircea_popescu: arguably it's right here, but i think it's early for that.

19:12:30 asciilifeform: ergo the closest thing to sane man in civilization is, today, the wrecker ?

19:12:38 mircea_popescu: in my reading.

19:12:40 asciilifeform: even from this perspective, mr postal is ineffectual

19:12:47 asciilifeform: with his pea shooter

19:12:47 mircea_popescu: effectual is not a consideration.

19:13:11 mircea_popescu: the man who doesn't steal - also "ineffectual".

19:13:14 mircea_popescu: as he caught no thieves.

19:13:17 jurov: btw, when it was prospering? in manifest destiny times?

19:13:28 mircea_popescu: definitely the gilded generation.

19:13:50 asciilifeform: jurov: perhaps, at the latest, when it feasted on the ashes of the remaining planet it burned in the world wars ?

19:13:51 mircea_popescu: 1890 probably closest available. it IS possible china is prospering atm, i am blind and clueless

19:14:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only marginal avenue for all that is claiming mussolini's claimed italian revival was genuine. i speak the language and do not believe the theory, in agreement with the vast bulk of native speakers.

19:14:59 asciilifeform: speaking of, mircea_popescu fan of j. evola ?

19:15:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00041573 = 8.4601 BTC [-]

19:15:22 mircea_popescu: hitler&gobbles' inane insanities certainly do not constitute more of a nordic system than the current socialism.

19:15:29 asciilifeform: (afaik evola is only available in original it and in ru)

19:15:55 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't go as far as fan

19:18:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me approach the matter this way : you have an infestation of badgers in your living room. so you set down a dozen traps. overnight, two traps have sprung.

19:18:29 mircea_popescu: the infestation is no longer.

19:19:03 asciilifeform: re: the question of 'when prospered', little story. today i went again to the argentinian fella (who was thrilled that i had visited his home town) to get major work on my car. took a while, and as i always do, went to the antique shops which surround the place for miles around. and, as before, noticed that the artifacts are chronologically upper-bounded around 1955.

19:19:10 asciilifeform: that's when 'prosperity' upper bound.

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19:19:16 asciilifeform: when the nostalgiacs stop.

19:19:18 mircea_popescu: at that time the first trap to ever spring sprung, and the second had not : a) were the other eleven effectual or ineffectual ? b) was the one that sprung effectual or ineffectual ? note that still badgers around, AND FROM THE POINT O VIEW OF THE BADGERS, every item is just as much a trap as the traps.

19:19:50 mircea_popescu: the man who has not shot an invader in his livingroom is not by this a man who will not. just a trap no invader has stepped on yet, is all.

19:20:04 mircea_popescu: the man that has so shot one, is not by this ineffectual, even if invaders left.

19:20:23 asciilifeform: this'd be if he had shot the usg polizei repossessing his house, or the like

19:20:31 asciilifeform: but he did what, break a window ?

19:20:34 asciilifeform: at random station?

19:20:57 mircea_popescu: im not entirely sure i have enough data to build a chain as you propose.

19:21:13 mircea_popescu: i can but shrug.

19:21:33 asciilifeform: what i'm seeing with the 'postals' is something like what tlp saw

19:21:42 asciilifeform: fools acting out 'hollywood' revenge with small arms

19:21:49 asciilifeform: rather than quietly cooking trotyl for years

19:21:51 asciilifeform: or the like

19:22:07 mircea_popescu: this is what all they who disagreed with chomsky and agreed with civilisational narrative re joe stack also saw.

19:22:20 mircea_popescu: it is the siren song of britni spears.

19:22:21 asciilifeform: 'killdozer' fella was better example, imho

19:22:42 asciilifeform: even herr stack could have done well with his little flying bomb

19:22:53 mircea_popescu: iirc he stacked it with extra fuel or something.

19:22:53 asciilifeform: (why did he wait for the usg snakepit to empty?)

19:23:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, it is no argument to say of the badger trap "but it shot no laser"

19:23:55 mircea_popescu: ie, this may be a valid discussion of trapmakers, as it discusses how much of a trap it is, but not at our level, where we discuss what is is.

19:23:59 asciilifeform: so far best i can think of is 'solzhenitsyn's axe' argument

19:24:11 asciilifeform: yes, if every man with axe, then game over

19:24:15 asciilifeform: but it is never 'every man'

19:24:23 asciilifeform: not even among the pashtuns.

19:24:33 mircea_popescu: well no. you are in the unique position where someone killed himself, and you say "his death was not effectual - as it didn't resolve his problems. lo, they are still here!"

19:24:33 asciilifeform: and 'every man with spear' did not help the zulu.

19:24:39 mircea_popescu: well yes, they are. so are you. so what of it ?

19:25:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15748 @ 0.000437 = 6.8819 BTC [+]

19:25:40 mircea_popescu: in any case : people who don't steal do not become by this better thieves. they do instead become part of a different world.

19:25:52 mircea_popescu: tho thieves often think in terms of "o look, a slow scam is being set up!!1"

19:25:59 asciilifeform: what of it is that folks who are really in a hurry to commit suicide with an optional small side dish desert of small-scale homicide are not partizans.

19:25:59 mircea_popescu: which i guess makes sense. to them, anyway.

19:26:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are, however briefly. the others often never get around to it.

19:27:39 mircea_popescu: you know, once ceausescu was finally killed, it came to light there have been thousands of people plotting his demise, allegedly. to hear them talk, some of these had gone on for decades.

19:27:44 mircea_popescu: the response was usually ridicule.

19:27:57 asciilifeform: ditto in post-war fr

19:28:00 mircea_popescu: right.

19:28:31 asciilifeform: but notice he was not killed by lone 'nutter'

19:28:39 mircea_popescu: he nearly was,

19:28:40 asciilifeform: but by crowd that reached 'schelling point'

19:28:43 mircea_popescu: and ww1 was started by exactly such.

19:29:12 mircea_popescu: the notion that human agency is ever "effectual" is such rank nonsense to begion with, that a pretense of "saving action for optimal effect" can only be regarded in psychogenic terms

19:29:17 mircea_popescu: ie, check out this guy's excuse.

19:30:09 asciilifeform: my original observation was that the folks who have the mental chops to bring about four, five-figure body counts - do not.

19:30:10 asciilifeform: and why

19:30:32 mircea_popescu: because they proceed of causes, not towards purposes ? who yet even cares per se of body count ?

19:30:37 mircea_popescu: they're not playing counterstrike

19:30:45 asciilifeform: partizans - cared

19:30:55 asciilifeform: one fewer german, one fewer train, tank

19:31:15 asciilifeform: at the very least, enemy cannot simply shrug and ignore burned train

19:31:23 mircea_popescu: live partizans cared.

19:31:39 mircea_popescu: if this man were here talking, i would make the same exact observation.

19:31:45 mircea_popescu: as you do, i mean.

19:31:51 mircea_popescu: "hey, this isn't the best plan i ever heard"

19:32:24 asciilifeform: when i say 'ineffective,' my thought is 'usg can survive as many of these as are ever likely to appear'

19:32:27 mircea_popescu: but note that at no point would him getting killed be part of a best plan, so

19:32:28 asciilifeform: without a visible dent

19:32:33 mircea_popescu: it's already a given he's taken at most a local maximum

19:32:38 mircea_popescu: in which case...

19:33:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, by subjective criteria as you employ, the english empire still survives.

19:33:05 mircea_popescu: confederate us survive

19:33:15 asciilifeform: english empire survives!

19:33:19 mircea_popescu: white china survives, and the fucking hittite empire to boot

19:33:21 asciilifeform: usg bought it at fire sale

19:33:21 mircea_popescu: ya ya.

19:36:00 asciilifeform: to rephrase, elephant can be killed by hunter - with bullet, or spear even. but there are not enough chimps in all of africa to kill it by throwing own shit at it, even were all of the chimps to agree to this plan.

19:36:35 asciilifeform: elephant - laughs.

19:36:43 asciilifeform: (or i imagine that it would, if it could)

19:37:53 jurov: i can easily imagine elephat drowning in shit

19:37:59 jurov: *elephant

19:38:26 mircea_popescu: this is only about the elephant for the elephant.

19:38:34 asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo today i saw the classic 'mosin' for sale; costing roughly 3x what i last remember seeing...

19:38:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:38:47 mircea_popescu: you're discussing the matter in inadequate terms, as if you were to try and judge software by what happens with the table.

19:39:25 asciilifeform: well, is it possible for me to apprehend the correct terms, whatever they might be, or do i need some of nubbins's lsd ?

19:40:08 asciilifeform: the lsd naturally secreted in my skullcase, apparently does not suffice

19:41:40 mircea_popescu: now that i dunno.

19:42:02 mircea_popescu: i did think teh present conversatiuon made it plainly clear.

19:42:42 asciilifeform: perhaps go back to the observation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-06-2015#1169229

19:42:42 assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 23:26:40; mircea_popescu: mats and cats have had millions of years to develop fishing implements.

19:43:00 asciilifeform: cats 'act from cause, never from purpose' but still have not invented fishing pole.

19:43:20 mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a cat in desperate need of overthrowing the imposition of catdom upon it, however.

19:45:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php << mega-relevant

19:45:09 assbot: 'And Then There Were None' by Eric Frank Russell ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyXHZL )

19:45:16 asciilifeform: ^ classic, on subject

19:45:28 asciilifeform: has pretty much the same point as mircea_popescu's explanation earlier

19:45:45 mircea_popescu: well i guess ima read it

19:45:58 asciilifeform: and results in equal amount of 'what am i, the single ant, to do, wtf' after reading.

19:46:38 *: asciilifeform wanders off to pet pet

19:56:48 mircea_popescu: ?Is that so?? The other eyed him speculatively, had another pick at his teeth. ?And what makes him excellent??

19:56:49 mircea_popescu: ahaha

20:11:19 mircea_popescu: !up SirJacket_

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20:31:36 shinohai: Interesting read: https://securelist.com/analysis/publications/70673/uncovering-tor-users-where-anonymity-ends-in-the-darknet/

20:31:40 assbot: Uncovering Tor users: where anonymity ends in the Darknet - Securelist ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gz2OsY )

20:35:43 shinohai: dat netsplit

21:13:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76945 @ 0.00041275 = 31.759 BTC [+] {4}

21:14:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30385 @ 0.00040927 = 12.4357 BTC [-] {2}

21:21:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46554 @ 0.00042843 = 19.9451 BTC [+] {3}

21:24:05 mircea_popescu: ahaha

21:24:06 mircea_popescu: ?Nonsense!? declared Gleed. ?There is no such thing. There is no weapon inventable that the other fellow can?t employ once he gets his hands on it and learns how to operate it.?

21:24:06 mircea_popescu: ?Are you sure about that??

21:24:29 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169801 <<< there are english translations (reading ride the tiger atm)

21:24:29 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 19:15:29; asciilifeform: (afaik evola is only available in original it and in ru)

21:28:19 mircea_popescu: that quote is exactly the http://fraudsters.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.258-157.105 observation

21:28:20 assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdnKDj )

21:49:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16376 @ 0.00041009 = 6.7156 BTC [-]

21:53:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169903 << deadly boring on account of none of the material being in any way new (to anyone with even a faint interest in the subject) whatsoever.

21:53:19 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 20:31:36; shinohai: Interesting read: https://securelist.com/analysis/publications/70673/uncovering-tor-users-where-anonymity-ends-in-the-darknet/

21:53:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, i will say for the record that a) the "economic" model contemplated by the naive socialist pseudo-anarchists cooking up the story is broken and b) anyone aged 16 who can't figure out how to extract value out of it should go hang.

21:54:03 asciilifeform: wai wut

21:54:06 asciilifeform: extract out of what

21:55:10 shinohai: @ asciilifeform therefore I post for newcomers to understand why tor is smacktarded.

21:55:22 mircea_popescu: http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php < that thing.

21:55:24 assbot: 'And Then There Were None' by Eric Frank Russell ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gdr6GB )

21:55:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what i meant was, extract a lesson from the story, or extract the juice from the folks portrayed therein

21:56:24 mircea_popescu: it would take me about a month of "earth time" to own one of their townlets, i reckon.

21:56:30 mircea_popescu: and i'm not even jewish.

21:57:17 asciilifeform: author would probably answer 'jew lands and will die of problems before he gets so much as a gram rather than pound of flesh'

21:57:33 mircea_popescu: yaya

21:57:38 asciilifeform: (on earth, we know that this does not happen, sure.)

21:58:01 mircea_popescu: it does not happen period. the "floating value of coin" model gets reliably thundered into the dirt by fixed value coins and arbitrage.

21:58:17 mircea_popescu: it's what built the roman empire, the solidus

21:58:21 asciilifeform: anyway linked piece on account of 'magic power of saying fuckyou no' subject

21:58:24 mircea_popescu: before they fucked it all up, which is what ended it.

21:58:25 asciilifeform: rather than recipe for life

21:58:29 mircea_popescu: aha,

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21:59:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also the implication in the story was that the 'gands' lived in dunbar-number villages

21:59:57 asciilifeform: hence the informal 'coin'

22:00:10 mircea_popescu: i am aware. this makes it not work quite specifically.

22:00:16 mircea_popescu: you ever seen the pawnbroker btw ?

22:00:20 asciilifeform: no?

22:00:39 mircea_popescu: Jesus Ortiz: Say, how come you people come to business so naturally?

22:00:39 mircea_popescu: Sol Nazerman: You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in one place long enou

22:00:39 mircea_popescu: gh to have a geography or an army or a land myth. All you have is a little brain. A little brain and a great bearded legend to sustain you and convince you that you are special, even in poverty. But this little brain, that's the real key you see. With this little brain you go out and you buy a piece of cloth and you cut that cloth in two and you go and sell it for a penny more than you paid for it. Then you run right o

22:00:42 mircea_popescu: ut and buy another piece of cloth, cut it into three pieces and sell it for three pennies profit. But, my friend, during that time you must never succumb to buying an extra piece of bread for the table or a toy for a child, no. You must immediately run out and get yourself a still larger piece cloth and so you repeat this process over and over and suddenly you discover something. You have no longer any desire, any temp

22:00:43 asciilifeform: (and the impression i got was that the dunbaricity was the ~only~ thing that made the mechanics halfway plausible..?)

22:00:47 mircea_popescu: tation to dig into the Earth to grow food or to gaze at a limitless land and call it your own, no, no. You just go on and on and on repeating this process over the centuries over and over and suddenly you make a grand discovery. You have a mercantile heritage! You are a merchant. You are known as a usurer, a man with secret resources, a witch, a pawnbroker, a sheenie, a makie and a kike!

22:00:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00043154 = 6.9478 BTC [+]

22:00:52 mircea_popescu: Jesus Ortiz: [long pause] You really some teacher, Mr. Nazerman. You really, really 's the greatest.

22:01:02 mircea_popescu: it is as plausible as the notion that "mecanicity" makes perpetuum mobile more plausible.

22:01:10 mircea_popescu: sure, plausible, if you're the plausing kind.

22:01:34 asciilifeform: l0l

22:02:43 asciilifeform: incidentally, the final nail in the coffin of perpetuum mobile wasn't really driven in until emmy noether..

22:03:07 asciilifeform: so it is not the best example of 'plainly impossible to any thinking person'

22:03:38 mircea_popescu: it wasn't intended as that.

22:05:01 asciilifeform: mainly speaking from an ancient pet peeve of mine, where folks who slept through noether and even carnot often map '2nd law of thermo' to a childhood-received 'who does not work, does not eat' and think of it as a 1:1 map

22:05:23 asciilifeform: whereas it is anything but

22:07:25 mircea_popescu: yes well, the understandings of the crowd as to the justification of rules is made for the comprehension needs of the crowd, not for the expressive needs of the rules.

22:07:44 mircea_popescu: ask someone why shouldn't they fuck their sister next time you want an angry puzzled man.

22:08:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that folks who didn't get 'westermack-effected' for whatever reason, having sisters, are busy fucking them at this very minute

22:08:47 mircea_popescu: doubt it tbh

22:08:57 asciilifeform: (as pictured for mass pr0nification in 'game of thrones' etc.)

22:09:26 asciilifeform: there was a reddit 'ama' thread linked here last year, where sisterfuckers chimed in by the battalions

22:09:46 mircea_popescu: next you're gonna be quoting wikipedia at me.

22:09:49 mircea_popescu: what is this, the future ?

22:09:50 asciilifeform: (unless they are all philipinos...)

22:10:08 mircea_popescu: how about they were all bitcoin experts from "the community" of derps that never saw a bitcoin ?

22:10:41 asciilifeform: this particular subject being 'phillippinized' would be almost equally strange as were the reports genuine

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22:12:49 asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm not an inquisitor and cannot comment re: whether the sisters were fucked in reality, or in imagination, and if so, whos

22:12:59 asciilifeform: only that the subject is of perennial interest to homo redditicus

22:13:34 asciilifeform: (and to fans of 'thrones')

22:13:55 mircea_popescu: which leads back to the point.

22:14:06 mircea_popescu: perpetuum mobile is also of perennial interest to the same apeish overaged teen mind.

22:14:10 mircea_popescu: for the exact same reasons, too.

22:14:14 asciilifeform: at least once was.

22:14:21 mircea_popescu: right, fashions change.

22:14:27 asciilifeform: what reasons specifically ?

22:15:10 mircea_popescu: specifically eh ? what do you want of me.

22:15:18 asciilifeform: 'for the exact same reasons'

22:15:19 mircea_popescu: what reasons specifically drive children to immitate speech sounds ?

22:15:44 mircea_popescu: ah that. well, poking around at the world, right ? same reason they stick things in their mouth.

22:15:52 asciilifeform: i was expecting an analogy between receiving free energy from the aether and hypothetical easy short-circuit solution to problem of what to fuck

22:16:12 mircea_popescu: fucking is not easy by definition.

22:16:42 asciilifeform: 'easy' is perhaps not right word

22:16:45 asciilifeform: 'accessible' ?

22:18:43 mircea_popescu: if you think about it, men tend to value "fuck me then i take off" girls the most, coworkers less than that and wives even less.

22:18:51 mircea_popescu: who the fuck would want a sister on his head.

22:19:06 asciilifeform: might want to ask the aficionados

22:19:11 *: asciilifeform has no sisters

22:19:39 mircea_popescu: ah, no, we're discussing economics here. the ship goes uphil like any othjer ship going uphill.

22:19:47 mircea_popescu: affections not related.

22:20:37 asciilifeform: speaking of!

22:21:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7973 @ 0.00043809 = 3.4929 BTC [+]

22:21:17 asciilifeform: when i moved here, as a boy, i was constantly puzzled as to why whole wash.,d.c. region is covered in signs depicting... a ship going uphill! >> http://www.lehi-ut.gov/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/snap.a1.gif

22:21:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdubX2 )

22:21:32 asciilifeform: poor sailboat is just short of sailing off the cliff.

22:22:03 asciilifeform: (edge of the earth?)

22:22:26 asciilifeform: (turned out, the sign means 'neighborhood watch!' and depicts a crossed-out 'spy vs spy' figure)

22:23:23 asciilifeform: back to the sisters, my understanding is that if 'westermarck' fails, they work just as well as arranged-wives and the like

22:23:43 asciilifeform: (female, for whatever reason isn't successfully escaping, etc.)

22:23:47 *: asciilifeform not expert

22:26:39 mircea_popescu: i dunno about that.

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22:30:52 decimation: yeah I don't get how this 'black church postal' guy accomplished anything

22:31:21 asciilifeform: decimation: iirc thread was about 'police station postal' of about the same time

22:31:32 asciilifeform: (mostly newsblackouted)

22:31:41 decimation: the linked diatribe was the black church guy

22:31:51 decimation: since yanked but here https://web.archive.org/web/20150620135047/http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt

22:31:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdvC7L )

22:32:31 decimation: his logic went somethingl ike 1.) found out black people suck 2.) "We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

22:32:35 decimation: "

22:32:41 decimation: 3.) now what?

22:32:47 cazalla: profit

22:32:52 decimation: I guess

22:32:59 asciilifeform: 3) ??? 4) profit!!11!!

22:34:28 decimation: even if all he wanted was to increase the 'white team' 'score' at the expense of the 'black team' - it's not at all obvious that this was accomplished

22:34:59 cazalla: having read his little manifesto, the kid is without a doubt a /pol/ack (muh rhodesia, jews etc etc)

22:35:47 decimation: cazalla: it's like someone read moldbug but was unable to comprehend the parts about how this kind of action is hopeless

22:36:01 mircea_popescu: oh i thought it was the police station guy

22:36:10 decimation: if anything, this only gives the 'witch hunters' even more ammo

22:36:29 asciilifeform: decimation: the 'alt right'-sphere's fixation with rhodesia is - afaik - definitively traceable to mr mold

22:36:53 decimation: agreed

22:37:01 mircea_popescu: srsly ?

22:37:16 decimation: in modern times, I suspect that's the case, yes

22:38:01 asciilifeform: decimation: i was arguing even beyond 'unable to comprehend the parts about how this kind of action is hopeless' to 'clinically retarded'

22:38:08 cazalla: you can always find a national anthem of rhodesia thread on /pol/ too, lyrics and all lol

22:38:17 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I would agree with that too

22:38:26 asciilifeform: for instance, it is widely (afaik) known that the highest-scoring 'postal' in usa used a bottle of ordinary petrol as the weapon

22:38:42 decimation: is that the guy in the 1930's

22:38:44 asciilifeform: yet the schmucks insist on demonstrating their (lack of) marksmanship with grandfather's pistol or whatnot

22:38:53 asciilifeform: decimation: 90s

22:39:47 mircea_popescu: decimation http://fraudsters.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/ count ?

22:39:48 assbot: A very unfair perspective. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TEvasv )

22:40:40 trinque: bahaha this meme that if any whites suck, it's the fault of teh blacks

22:40:49 trinque: I read about as much of his little manifesto as I could be bothered to

22:40:52 decimation: mircea_popescu: I think that was after moldbug's article

22:40:59 trinque: sorry, blacks didn't do walmart and country music

22:41:00 decimation: I always figured you were inspired by him

22:41:19 asciilifeform: trinque: notice that it does not even occur to the tard to kill one of the ~actual~ architects of his misery

22:41:38 decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives.html < moldbug mentions here

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22:42:20 trinque: asciilifeform: of course not; guy's capable of "everything is because of the outgroup" and nothing more

22:42:46 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's my point, even if he has decided black people suck, it's quite a leap to think that randomly murdering them is going to help anyone's lot

22:42:47 trinque: is that not the most primordial rationale of all time?

22:42:56 asciilifeform: mr mold is an incorrigible subscriber to the particular flavour of mental wankery described as 'resistance through culture' in one of mircea_popescu's articles

22:43:19 decimation: yeah he certainly does not advocate 'resistance through action'

22:43:22 trinque: asciilifeform: is that where I protest the patriarchy by wearing a skirt?

22:43:33 decimation: which is why it was so amusing that he was booted from that programming conference

22:44:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might say that it is because mr mold has no balls. i would say that i cannot comment on whether he has balls, but will point out that having a brain is a handicap if contemplating active resistance to usg, without support of foreign army, from inside its walls

22:44:56 decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/country-that-used-to-exist.html < here was yarvin's big article on rhodesia

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22:45:46 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, if 'having a brain' means seeing about two moves ahead - would put a damper on 'action'

22:46:02 asciilifeform: i will describe, for the benefit of n00bz, the typical career path of 'let's resist usg through action' in usgland: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623044

22:46:02 assbot: Logged on 13-04-2014 22:27:18; asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.

22:46:36 asciilifeform: the non-retarded version of this, where a fella spends 20 years in his garage building the 'strela', afaik has not yet happened.

22:46:56 decimation: asciilifeform: of course that man would probably meet a similar end

22:47:03 decimation: but is more likely to achieve some of his ends

22:47:06 asciilifeform: end result, best case, probably would resemble http://fraudsters.com/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket

22:47:07 assbot: Nobody could have foreseen their using a plane like a rocket on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TEvZl2 )

22:47:21 asciilifeform: best-known instance is probably 'killdozer'

22:47:40 asciilifeform: and notice, there was no army of killdozers to follow heevmeyer.

22:48:14 decimation: is that the police station guy?

22:48:31 asciilifeform: !s killdozer

22:48:32 assbot: 4 results for 'killdozer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=killdozer

22:48:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2014#691525

22:48:53 assbot: Logged on 28-05-2014 00:38:27; punkman: as far as rampages go, the bulldozer guy was pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA

22:49:04 decimation: oh yeah him heh

22:50:44 asciilifeform: fact is, there is not any meaningful resistance to usg on own turf. there are criminals who imagine themselves resisting, e.g., mexican mafia, but actually live in symbiosis with 'war on drugs'

22:50:51 asciilifeform: just as there were smugglers in ussr

22:51:00 asciilifeform: some of whom imagined themselves 'resistance'

22:51:20 decimation: asciilifeform: no, in fact said mexicans end up justifying budgets for even more usg

22:51:59 mircea_popescu: decimation not that i know. link to what inspired me maybe ?

22:52:09 mircea_popescu: oh there it is ty.

22:52:17 decimation: yeah the second one in 2007

22:52:49 mircea_popescu: holy shit man. a quote from wikipedia and the next mention of the word in comments ?!

22:53:09 mircea_popescu: this guy's got a pretty fantastic racket. i hope i won't next hear i've heard about bitcoin from curtis yarvin.

22:54:13 decimation: mircea_popescu: look at this link: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1170054

22:54:13 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 22:44:56; decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/country-that-used-to-exist.html < here was yarvin's big article on rhodesia

22:54:30 mircea_popescu: <trinque> asciilifeform: is that where I protest the patriarchy by wearing a skirt? << it's a very specific locus to east european "anticomunism" of the contemptible kind.

22:54:49 mircea_popescu: not so unlike all the people who were planning to kill hitler, but never got around to it.

22:55:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a few months ago, i reread a selection of mr mold, and it struck me as loudly, profanely stinking of 'resistance through culture'

22:55:09 mircea_popescu: decimation aok

22:55:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, nothing in nature comes without a cost. flying bugs are not by this fact more fit than worms. even if flying is kinda cool.

22:55:41 asciilifeform: almost like he was laying groundwork to turn into a top contender for 'was planning to kill hitler' after the fact

22:55:42 mircea_popescu: intelligence also comes at a cost.

22:55:46 mircea_popescu: ones in charge of managing it.

22:56:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently that's working, at least to some degree, if people seriously consider him an influence on anything.

22:57:21 mircea_popescu: decimation ah ok i see what you mean.

22:57:36 mircea_popescu: alright, fine assumption, but i had no idea.

22:59:08 asciilifeform: mr mold could be described as a founder of a very depressive sort of 'dismal science' - where a great many folks with no cultural literacy to speak of, no remotely-plausible avenue for constructive action, were led to realize approximately how their civilization anally raped itself

22:59:45 asciilifeform: granted he only shows a kind of silhouette of the monster (all he personally is able to see with own eyes)

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22:59:53 asciilifeform: but the tentacles are painted clearly enough

23:00:26 mircea_popescu: like "In fact, what Power really means is that a government "cannot survive indefinitely" if it defies the wishes of the international community. Ie, of, well - Power. Here we have the ultimate cause of Rhodesia's destruction. I believe this is a clear and undisputed fact."

23:00:52 asciilifeform: mr mold was raised by diplomats and knows well what 'international community' shibboleth actually means

23:00:57 asciilifeform: this is clear from the rest of the body of work

23:01:41 decimation: yeah, if anything his strongest indictments are against usg's foreign policy 'complex'

23:02:35 mircea_popescu: Todd, basically, was the Universalist to end all Universalists.

23:02:37 mircea_popescu: ahahaha what!

23:02:42 mircea_popescu: ok the similarities are unnerving

23:02:46 mircea_popescu: what the fuck happened here.

23:04:37 mircea_popescu: so i write an article with a cultural grounding introduction referencing newman and proceed to the historical discussion, some guy writes (a decade prior) an article using tacitus in thesame function and casually mentioning garfield todd

23:05:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: next you'll complain of melted brain on account of ancient chinese having had, almost word for word, euclid's gcd algo

23:05:52 mircea_popescu: one'd thing there is some room for personal taste in praxis and stylistics already

23:06:48 decimation: well, as yarvin himself wrote, "he truth, being true, is accessible to all - though not all will get it all."

23:06:55 asciilifeform: i for one, when first encountered mircea_popescu's articles, scarfed'em up on account of a feeling of 'like mr mold but without the latter's impotent thrashing and cultural illiteracy'

23:07:04 mircea_popescu: the telegraph obligingly deleted the linked reference to how the senator's daughter was raped by the praetorian guards, so now there's no reference.

23:07:07 mircea_popescu: fucktarded press

23:07:49 mircea_popescu: "What would Tacitus make of this? Frankly, I'm not sure he could even process it." << hot damned...

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23:08:02 mircea_popescu: i think tacitus lived in a marble tub his entire life, in a museum in illyricum.

23:08:29 asciilifeform: moldbug, i will point out, speaks not one language save his native engl. that he was able to reconstruct even a semblance of coherent picture of anything while sitting in the anglo junkyard, is remarkable by itself

23:08:31 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, what you describe is roughly what attracted me to #b-a

23:09:26 mircea_popescu: that is a point.

23:10:46 mircea_popescu: "the battle between missionaries and settlers, which ended of course in the victory of the former, was the great conflict of colonialism." << this is broadly coirrect. in the us, decolonialization took the form of "dry states", the missionaries fought against settlers brandied as "the bar lobby" there.

23:10:50 mircea_popescu: i wonder where he picked up the tidbit.

23:12:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his entire thesis is that the more demented sects of puritanism merged together, shed the unnecessary legs and wings, and turned into usg as we know it (or rather, the original intellectual underpinnings thereof)

23:12:36 mircea_popescu: (and yes, i fundamentally do not like the guy because he reads exactly like andrei plesu, gabriel liiceanu or an entire smattering of entirely identical superficially "cultured", inept and impotent romanian "intellectuals" of the "Resistence throguh culture" brand).

23:12:51 decimation: asciilifeform: I kinda arrived at this thesis from a theological perspective earlier, which is also why moldbug appealed

23:13:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as in http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com.ar/2007/05/bdh-ov-conflict_07.html ?

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23:13:31 mircea_popescu: i remember reading that at some point and not being impressed. prolly the log has my expletives, ima look.

23:13:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the question that is of interest perhaps only to me, is whether mr mold has this 'smell' on account of character defect, or because he lives in a plesu-shaped box that he found no way of escaping

23:14:02 mircea_popescu: oh, you know the guy ?

23:14:08 asciilifeform: from mircea_popescu's articles

23:14:11 mircea_popescu: oh oh

23:14:32 mircea_popescu: did you read the one about the german/romanian nobel prize woman debate ?

23:14:47 asciilifeform: dont think so

23:14:50 mircea_popescu: it was such fine closure.

23:14:56 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:fraudsters.com herta muller

23:14:57 gribble: критика и самокритика on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0; Tipologiile homosexualitatii on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/tipologiile-homosexualitatii; October 2010 on fraudsters - A blog by (1 more message)

23:15:04 mircea_popescu: da fuck

23:15:22 asciilifeform: thing about mr mold is that the impotent thrashing is very much that of the prisoner 'turning inward', as pictured in 'chess novella'

23:16:44 asciilifeform: the 'cost of intelligence', as mentioned earlier by mircea_popescu, is that the clever fella is not ever content to buy rifle, weld some steel on an old van, shoot out a police station window, and die

23:16:47 asciilifeform: because any moron can do that

23:17:00 mircea_popescu: ^

23:17:19 asciilifeform: but no, he wants to use what the gods gave him.

23:17:21 mircea_popescu: it's not cowardice per se, even though the drill sargeant thinks so. and the opposite view is not "deliberate stupidity"

23:17:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it was here site:fraudsters.com herta muller

23:17:52 mircea_popescu: oops i mean here : http://www.romanialibera.ro/cultura/dialogul-herta-muller-gabriel-liiceanu--moment-istoric-pentru-cultura-romana-200986

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23:17:59 mircea_popescu: but meanwhile it got beleeted. because press, ofcourse.

23:18:10 asciilifeform: memoryholed.

23:18:33 mircea_popescu: yeah. woman wiped the floor with the guy.

23:18:56 mircea_popescu: and this was obviously not acceptable, being how inept as he may be, and a fraud as he may be, nevertheless he is the palatial "scientist"

23:19:29 mircea_popescu: a less interested, more naive me kept no records.

23:19:33 asciilifeform: 'palatial scientist' only function on own turf, where he has a direct line to the palatial executioner. like lysenko did

23:19:58 mircea_popescu: well it is a romanian newspaper.

23:23:03 *: jurov runs crying to mircea_popsecu "i broke eulora again and chetty isn't around!!!"

23:23:34 mircea_popescu: now you've done it!

23:23:41 mircea_popescu: gotta wait till she comes by.

23:23:45 jurov: :)

23:24:25 mircea_popescu: i'm not gonna run it up myself because she was instrumented to test i dun recall what and i fear messing it up.

23:24:48 mircea_popescu: in other news, a more powerful me today has the intel dept ready to fix it for him! ha-HA! https://archive.is/Tpk6O

23:24:49 assbot: Dialogul Herta Muller-Gabriel Liiceanu, moment istoric pentru cultura română | Romania Libera ... ( http://bit.ly/1NegGLB )

23:24:55 jurov: yea, we'd miss chetty

23:24:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ if you feel like it.

23:25:03 asciilifeform: neato!

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23:25:26 jurov: how you instrumented her?

23:25:43 mircea_popescu: who what ?

23:25:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy notably claims that he was resisting communism by not registering his typewriter.

23:26:00 mircea_popescu: fancy that.

23:26:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would you believe, that type of character existed in su by the battallion

23:26:11 jurov: how did you instrument chetty?

23:26:13 mircea_popescu: im sure the fed is resisting socialism by not reporting all it prints to washington

23:26:18 mircea_popescu: jurov she did, the server

23:26:35 asciilifeform: and the basic root is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1170141

23:26:35 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 23:17:19; asciilifeform: but no, he wants to use what the gods gave him.

23:26:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform course i'd believe. even met some

23:26:45 jurov: i was jesting

23:27:12 mircea_popescu: but you weren't instrumented for it!

23:27:27 jurov: :(

23:27:31 asciilifeform: thinking folks, faced with 'chop wood in magadan or prostitute for the party' tend to end up 'getting down on knees, ready to please'

23:27:43 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, imagine that you were a 'closet dissenter' working for the fed. the most 'reform' you could get away with would be symbolic at best

23:27:49 asciilifeform: the exceptions - we don't even get to hear about.

23:27:52 asciilifeform: (because - how?)

23:28:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case, i had to spend half my fucking life yelling at people that "the difference between stupid and smart is that stupid can't be smart, BUT SMART CAN BE STUPID. IF YOU'RE UNWILLING TO EVER BE STUPID YOUR SMART'S JUST ANOTHER FLAVOUR OF DUMB!1111"

23:28:07 decimation: but I would also note that 'come be an inside reformer' is also a usg recruitment trick

23:28:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for how long would you personally be willing to 'run stupid on emulator' ?

23:28:47 asciilifeform: keep in mind that this is considerably more than is ever asked of stupid folks

23:28:50 mircea_popescu: for how long would you personally be willing to run a chip on the breadboard ?

23:29:14 asciilifeform: not sure how analogous

23:29:17 mircea_popescu: and no, stupid folks are perpetually asked to run smart on emulator, and they don't even have one.

23:29:33 mircea_popescu: hence "<mircea_popescu> yes well, the understandings of the crowd as to the justification of rules is made for the comprehension needs of the crowd, not for the expressive needs of the rules."

23:30:08 mircea_popescu: if intelligence is not an option, it is not intelligence.

23:30:11 asciilifeform: vulp!

23:30:14 mircea_popescu: lol

23:30:21 mircea_popescu: vulp', all hipster like

23:30:33 asciilifeform: pronounced the way davout did, or more like 'gulp' ?

23:30:55 mircea_popescu: it's pronounced "phtephen"

23:31:01 asciilifeform: !up ben_vulp`

23:34:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact is, folks who are placed in the unenviable position of 'emulate stupid' still try to use their mind. just like a prisoner in solitary cell, who theoretically does not really need legs for much of anything, will still wiggle them around

23:34:44 asciilifeform: the result, in best case, tends to be something like mr mold.

23:34:50 mircea_popescu: just as long as he doesn't wiggle them into kicks to his shn

23:35:26 mircea_popescu: your type of intelligent person is not unlike the guard that shoots himself on the third day, because bored.

23:35:48 asciilifeform: phun phakt: when i worked in u.s. army, a guard on the campus did just that

23:35:55 asciilifeform: whether it was on account of boredom, i never learned

23:37:00 mircea_popescu: not a very good guard.

23:37:04 asciilifeform: the difficulty of 'emulate stupid for the rest of your life' is likely the reason for the infamous u.s. police dept. which figured in a lawsuit where some schmuck was rejected from police academ for scoring too high on 'iq test'

23:37:33 mircea_popescu: the difficulty's not in question. the difficulty of finding wet cunts biweekly for the rest of your life is even more burdensome

23:37:34 mircea_popescu: what of it.

23:38:43 asciilifeform: incidentally, here in usaschwitz we have a plague called 'overqualification'

23:39:14 asciilifeform: where god help you if you have, say, uni degree and history of serious technical work, and suddenly need to make ends meet by digging trenches, washing dishes, etc

23:39:22 mircea_popescu: amusingly, it existed on the porn sets too.

23:39:32 mircea_popescu: most people wouldn't hire girls what went to school for the longest time.

23:39:40 asciilifeform: -- unless you can fabricate a convincing 'blue collar' work history and biography (in which case, work for cia...) you're phucked

23:40:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#813861 << the previous pass through that thing if anyone gas.

23:40:23 assbot: Logged on 29-08-2014 00:38:19; mircea_popescu: "This should be reason enough for anyone to avoid taking up cudgels on behalf of either."

23:42:30 asciilifeform: ^ speaking of which, brings back to the point of whether mr mold is a disinfo agent. not that i can say definitively, but imho the best argument that he is not, is the difficulty of formulating a picture of a hypothetical 'moldbug minus the restraint' who does ~not~ advocate inaction

23:42:35 asciilifeform: what would this even look like?

23:42:55 asciilifeform: the question of why he is still alive and walking free in usaschwitz would naturally invite itself

23:43:26 asciilifeform: (leaving aside, even, the question of just ~what kind~ of non-inaction he would advocate..)

23:44:40 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/why-i-am-not-a-white-nationalist/#selection-933.0-933.687 << related, mostly because of the "The world belongs to the active, not to the thoughtful."

23:44:41 assbot: "Why I am not a white nationalist" on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TEBrV7 )

23:44:49 mircea_popescu: yes, it is better to be smart and active than it is to be stupid and active.

23:44:56 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, being smart embodies no benefit.

23:45:04 asciilifeform: e.coli may not be very clever, but they have 'active' down pat.

23:45:09 asciilifeform: so perhaps world belongs - to them.

23:45:18 asciilifeform: (or to cockroaches?)

23:46:00 mircea_popescu: i don't seem to be much bothered by either, but sure.

23:46:28 decimation: only bothered if they manage to overpower your similiarly active immune system

23:47:51 mircea_popescu: which is in no part active because an intelligent being somewhere has failed to feed it crap for decades now

23:48:08 mircea_popescu: no small part*

23:48:41 asciilifeform: which brings back to the 'die in the van' thing

23:48:55 asciilifeform: and, for that matter, last week's question about coherent laser light

23:49:01 mircea_popescu: "Ian Smith could never have achieved any political prominence in prewar Britain, because his origins were decidedly middle-class": what, unlike Ramsay MacDonald, who was the bastard son of a farm servant, and twice PM?

23:49:08 asciilifeform: (as in, what makes it more interesting from an engineering perspective than white light)

23:49:12 mircea_popescu: first comment, too.

23:49:16 mircea_popescu: must suck to not have a clue.

23:50:02 asciilifeform: and the question of what differentiates a proper war from an idiot jaquerie

23:50:16 asciilifeform: (of which europe saw fuck knows how many, and all ended exactly the same way)

23:53:17 mircea_popescu: ever read caragiale's story of 1907 ?

23:53:43 asciilifeform: dont think so

23:55:31 mircea_popescu: it is excellent, on one hand because the man is supremely qualified - he is, no doubts about it, he who wrote romania's software, since the kingdom days - and because he actually lived it and saw it, and its context. top notch historical primary source.

23:55:49 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/o-bucatica-de-istorie-sau-1907-din-primavara-pina-in-toamna-de-ion-luca-caragiale/

23:55:50 assbot: O bucatica de istorie, sau 1907 din primavara pina in toamna, de Ion Luca Caragiale on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TECwfC )

23:55:59 mircea_popescu: it was memory holed at the time, and not well known since.

23:56:27 mircea_popescu: !up cosmo

23:56:57 cosmo: my what great service

23:57:42 jurov: yes, amazing

23:57:42 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:57:46 mircea_popescu: huh ?

23:57:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50208 @ 0.00040752 = 20.4608 BTC [-] {3}

23:58:53 cosmo: is bitshares legit

23:59:08 mircea_popescu: !s bitshares

23:59:09 assbot: 30 results for 'bitshares' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitshares

23:59:56 cosmo: i like what they're doing but i'm not sure how their 'shares' or coins or whatever are minted/distributed