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00:00:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: or say, go and fix RuBisCO, world's most inefficient enzyme << it's not its fault! hard fucking shit!

00:02:01 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what's og ?

00:02:37 thestringpuller: original gangsta

00:02:44 thestringpuller: ::ud OG

00:02:48 thestringpuller: ;;ud og

00:02:48 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OG | Famouse Tatooists Mr. Cartoon is a straight-up muthafuck'in OG! 2. O G. O G means original gangsta those tru gangstas from way back in the day that jacked ya ...

00:03:15 mircea_popescu: ouc

00:03:17 mircea_popescu: oic*

00:05:52 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell chetty http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Grand_prismatic_spring.jpg/800px-Grand_prismatic_spring.jpg now this has got to be in the game.

00:05:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:06:13 asciilifeform: DERP << still waiting for some muppet to start a company selling bottled piss or the like, and labeled 'bitcoin'

00:07:54 mircea_popescu: im kinda waiting for the twinks to get bored of being irrelevant, get upset and threaten to sue everyone else for using their invention.

00:11:36 mircea_popescu: destroy land/wealth equivalency << this is gone , actually, which is why i rent.

00:12:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to fully visualize the logical conclusion of that gedankenexperiment, picture if one could subsist entirely on the output of a 'desktop garden' under a fluorescent lamp.

00:13:28 asciilifeform: (see also this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#781699)

00:13:29 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

00:13:31 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as you accept bitcoin as a desktop garden under a lcd backed monitor, one can, does.

00:13:37 mircea_popescu: you mean if everyone ? but everyone never could.

00:14:08 asciilifeform: well, everyone with the necessary apparatus.

00:14:43 asciilifeform: just like sailors on a nuke sub never need to surface for air - only for food/ammunition/parts

00:14:52 asciilifeform: (electrolytic cell, sea water)

00:15:24 mircea_popescu: speaking of which : the diesel sub is making a major comeback

00:15:30 asciilifeform: cost.

00:15:33 mircea_popescu: apparently much easier to make it silent, whereas the nuke ones can not

00:15:39 asciilifeform: silent on battery.

00:15:47 mircea_popescu: more importantly (and somewhat secretly) : they're one man subs.

00:15:53 mircea_popescu: robotics and computers are now advanced enough.

00:16:01 asciilifeform: and the 'two airplanes theorem' (what can two planes do, that one, regardless of how spiffy, cannot? be in two places.)

00:16:04 mircea_popescu: think about that solipsist heaven. a one man diesel attack sub.

00:16:14 asciilifeform: midget subs are 1930s state of the art.

00:16:24 mircea_popescu: but these are not so midget-y.

00:16:25 asciilifeform: and, who doesn't love the japanese 'Kaiten.'

00:16:36 asciilifeform: ;;google kaiten submarine

00:16:37 gribble: Kaiten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiten; Human torpedo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo; Kaiten-class | Nihon Kaigun - Imperial Japanese Navy Page: http://combinedfleet.com/ships/kaiten

00:16:38 mircea_popescu: they're actually pretty fully featured.

00:17:01 mircea_popescu: so what if ben_vulpes has it his way and by say 2050 most people that are people actually live in one ?

00:17:04 asciilifeform: generally, you want two men (one sleeps)

00:17:11 mircea_popescu: the sub having replaced the car that replaced the knight's horse

00:17:43 mircea_popescu: making orlof a sort of low tech early pioneer in the right direction.

00:18:04 asciilifeform: the familiar 'water planet' scenario, yes.

00:18:06 mircea_popescu: leaving the landspace to be inhabited by the proles, toiling in the mines and sub factories under the carcinogenic sun

00:18:42 asciilifeform: we could be there already, but somehow it appears that most people don't like the sea very much.

00:18:45 *: asciilifeform can't imagine why

00:18:46 mircea_popescu: it's not that familiar to me, i'm a sf noob/ignoramus :D

00:20:48 asciilifeform: 'Defined in these terms, when you move onto a floating pole somewhere in the ocean, the first effect on your freedom is a massive decline. You have sworn fealty to King Neptune. Neptune accepts your service, as he has accepted so many before you. His court is glorious, his riches are infinite, his territory is vast. But Neptune is a stern and capricious lord. To live at sea, you need not just love liberty. You n

00:20:48 asciilifeform: eed to love the sea. Spend a little time with Moitessier, Slocum, and the like; read this fine collection, and possibly this (pretty much all of Jonathan Raban's books are good); etc, etc. Yes, I'm aware that seasteading is not yachting. I'm aware that no one intends to take their floating poles around Cape Horn. But you are still at sea, and a subject of Neptune you remain.'

00:21:05 asciilifeform: (mr mold on the 'seasteading' concept. http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/05/democraphobia-goes-slightly-viral.html)

00:21:05 assbot: Page not found

00:21:39 mircea_popescu: !up tylander

00:22:32 mircea_popescu: well, lettuce see. the submarine is submerged. it does not care about "weather" in either fluid sense. with the new fleshlights and tumblr pr0nz... i defy you to find a bunch of 20somethings whose current life would be differen if they were subbed.

00:23:13 asciilifeform: a non-nuke sub spends 90+% of time on the surface.

00:23:27 asciilifeform: (given current battery tech, this is unlikely to change)

00:23:30 mircea_popescu: this is a tech problem.

00:23:48 asciilifeform: the same kind of tech problem as the absence of pocket laser pistol.

00:23:50 asciilifeform: batteries.

00:23:53 mircea_popescu: tell you what : a current car spends 90% of time in the garage. fu that.

00:24:01 mircea_popescu: let there be electric recharge stations on the ocean floor.

00:24:19 mircea_popescu: if they can do it with the teslas it has impact.

00:24:43 asciilifeform: or, as with one proposed electromobile, battery swap couriers.

00:24:56 mircea_popescu: in any case : international waters are international waters

00:25:06 mircea_popescu: and im not sure who can afford to piss off a nation of submarineers, but it wouldn't be the us.

00:25:17 mircea_popescu: what with its super vulnerable carriers and errything.

00:25:43 mircea_popescu: so composed out of thermal electro plant, battery recharge stations and a fleet of subs...

00:25:49 mircea_popescu: geothermal*

00:25:49 asciilifeform: when the last u.s. boat hits the bottom, the scrapyards, or the chinese auction block - we'll find out whether the 'seastead' folks are serious.

00:26:00 kuzetsa: hmm? tumblr pronz and fleshlights? why not both -- http://31.media.tumblr.com/72a9bdc2edcfc228a083bd0fd397c711/tumblr_n3edll7WSz1sp1w56o1_1280.jpg

00:26:11 kuzetsa: oosp, I spelled rp0nz wrong

00:26:14 kuzetsa: oh for fucks sake

00:26:22 mircea_popescu: dude... srlsly ?!

00:26:33 asciilifeform: lol!

00:26:40 mircea_popescu: people fuck icecream-colored cartoon characters ?

00:26:48 kuzetsa: rule34

00:27:07 asciilifeform: people would fuck their own severed heads if they could.

00:27:17 kuzetsa: ^ yes, they would

00:27:39 mircea_popescu: the cunts aren't even identical holy hell.

00:27:55 asciilifeform: probably being '3d printed' to order even as we speak.

00:28:13 mircea_popescu: so who's the deep purple one in the middle ?

00:28:17 mircea_popescu: only actual slut in the bunch.

00:28:25 *: asciilifeform had occasion to go to a local electronics store a few days ago, '3d printers' were displayed right next to ordinary ones.

00:29:50 nubbins`: mp the floating one w/ the rainbow hair is probably the most represented in cosplay etc

00:30:04 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: the size of the folds of ones labia is not directly proportional to sexual activity, but only differs with natural variation from person to person... your logic is invalid for calling that slutty... or is this just your headcanon for that particular pony? in which case, I agree, she's awful

00:30:22 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa how much cunt have you seen so far ?

00:30:27 mircea_popescu: in square meters i mean.

00:30:31 nubbins`: lel

00:30:40 thestringpuller: nubbins`: we accept your offer

00:30:50 thestringpuller: we'll sign da papers tomorrow!

00:31:15 asciilifeform: in square meters << must specify, folded or denatured.

00:31:28 nubbins`: thestringpuller: lovely

00:31:29 mircea_popescu: either way.

00:31:32 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: I've seen quite a lot, but even if that wasn't the case, the sex ed programs here don't promote fallacious negative images about people's sexuality because of genital shape

00:31:55 mircea_popescu: i couldn't begin to give less of a shit about what sex "ed" programs say there, wherever that is.

00:32:06 mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a psa "ed" effort that was accurate in details.

00:32:33 nubbins`: how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait

00:32:33 thestringpuller: nubbins`: it's just one color. white on black.

00:32:38 kuzetsa: colleges have sex ed and related programs too, not just primary schools

00:33:05 mircea_popescu: yeah, made by the same people, with the same political aggenda, and with the same utter ignorance and disrespect for observable reality.

00:33:18 nubbins`: thestringpuller: easy peasy

00:33:35 mircea_popescu: something being asserted by a state sponsored "ed" program of any kind is more a predictor of the something being wrong than right.

00:33:46 nubbins`: once in sixth grade, our teacher made us draw cocks for homework

00:33:58 nubbins`: these were put on the classroom bulletin board for the next few weeks

00:34:05 asciilifeform: this applies just as easily to the nominally 'proper' education (average peon has very little use for, e.g. arithmetic)

00:34:51 mod6: nubbins`: no wai?!

00:35:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at lulzranch : carnivores having well developed teeth is in no way a predictor of their preference in eating meat over say photosynthesis.

00:35:17 mircea_popescu: so said animal ed!

00:35:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00070326 = 3.3405 BTC [+]

00:35:39 kuzetsa: uhm

00:36:03 nubbins`: mod6 nod

00:36:10 nubbins`: she was a strange woman

00:36:12 mircea_popescu: nubbins` no cunts tho ?

00:36:20 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, nope

00:36:23 mod6: lol

00:36:25 mircea_popescu: now wtf sense does that make ?

00:36:28 *: nubbins` shrugs

00:36:42 nubbins`: fwiw she used to grind her vulva on the corners of desks when helping students

00:36:43 mircea_popescu: see, a teacher like that'd have never survived in mp's school.

00:36:46 mircea_popescu: too easy to bully.

00:36:57 mircea_popescu: people'd have been sticking cunt drawings on her back for the rest of her life.

00:37:02 nubbins`: not sure if this was autoerotic or candida

00:37:33 asciilifeform: nubbins`: teacher had no pockets? or, no hands ?

00:37:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00070349 = 22.9338 BTC [+] {2}

00:37:53 kuzetsa: asciilifeform: women's clothing tends not to have many pockets :(

00:38:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform teacher rubbing vulva on corners is no indication of an absence of hands, pockets or brain.

00:38:25 asciilifeform: today she'd own one of those radio-controlled insertables.

00:38:30 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa indeed, and ironically i suspect it's exactly for this reason.

00:38:37 kuzetsa: eww

00:38:58 mircea_popescu: no, srsly. controlling masturbation in little girls was much more a priority in victorian england that in teh case of boys

00:39:14 kuzetsa: no, I know

00:39:17 kuzetsa: that's why I said eww

00:39:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: a historical annoyance, for all forms of state, is that folks can, in general, grow food without asking it permission first. <<< this brings to mind the ridiculous "permit to assemble" device.

00:40:01 mircea_popescu: "yes you may gather together to overthrow the state, just as long as you get an approval form stamped by said state"

00:40:13 decimation: re: luxury submarines: http://www.ussubmarines.com/ << supposedly can stay submerged for at least a week going 2 knots

00:40:14 assbot: U.S. SUBMARINES

00:40:39 asciilifeform: there's two basic types of 'permission' - one where you can, without permission, but might catch some lead; and one where you actually can't ('promise vs. protocol')

00:40:46 mircea_popescu: decimation i tell you, if the tesla experiment works out we're going to see subs.

00:40:52 decimation: note that if you want go at any reasonable speed you must be on the surface, as ascii said

00:40:59 decimation: undersea charging is interesting

00:41:16 decimation: batteries still suck though

00:41:22 asciilifeform: you can charge inductively under the sea, but parasitic currents are a drag

00:41:26 mircea_popescu: there's nothing to do submerged anyway. the only real reason to move is abvout the same as getting new ips, ie, avoid the enemy.

00:41:30 mircea_popescu: for this reason, 2 knots is fine.

00:41:30 asciilifeform: (sea water conducts)

00:41:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine some sort of copulatory connection will be standard.

00:42:16 asciilifeform: might want to wait for 'SOSUS' to finish falling apart before setting sail on microsubs

00:42:35 mircea_popescu: why ?

00:42:37 decimation: heh yeah that's a good point ascii

00:42:58 mircea_popescu: it's not currently able to handle massed targets well. this is, and has been, long known documented weakness

00:43:13 mircea_popescu: handwaved as "well if there's too many subs to track then that says all we wanted to know anyway rite ?"

00:43:13 asciilifeform: interesting fact, i think we might have spoken of it before - usg claims extraterritorial jurisdiction over... all ships.

00:43:30 mircea_popescu: so does any pirate. what of it ? claim is one thing.

00:44:38 asciilifeform: fix RuBisCO, from its current ~2% efficiency to something like 50+ - and now you needn't the massive resupply points that make fat targets.

00:44:51 asciilifeform: for the 1000 ships tactic, the vessels must be properly autonomous

00:45:00 decimation: asciilifeform: usg opts to allow the russian navy to exist in international waters: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/pentagon-russian-spy-ship-tug-operating-near-u-s/

00:45:00 assbot: Pentagon: Russian Spy Ship, Tug Operating Near U.S. | Washington Free Beacon

00:45:08 mircea_popescu: a war is won by a) making fat targets that b) the enemy tries to take out but c) fails.

00:45:10 decimation: said Lt. Col. Tom Crosson, a Pentagon spokesman. ?We respect the freedom of all nations, as reflected in international law, to operate military vessels beyond the territorial seas of other nations.?

00:45:26 asciilifeform: decimation: or recall the chinese sub that test-fired ballistic rockets off the california coast recently.

00:45:51 asciilifeform: ^ beautiful example of u.s. media hush campaign. vanished entirely from nearly everywhere within days of first mention.

00:46:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure it's in the sub ed in colleges everywhere.

00:46:18 mircea_popescu: or maybe not.

00:47:08 decimation: re: usg rotting surveillance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Surveillance_System

00:47:09 assbot: Air Force Space Surveillance System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:47:16 decimation: Due to resource constraints caused by sequestration, Air Force Space Command officials have directed the 21st Space Wing to prepare to discontinue operations at the Air Force Space Surveillance System by Oct. 1

00:47:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: eventual goal, for the state, is an endgame where you can't grow your own potato in secret any more than you can produce your own 14nm cpu. << eventual endgame, for the utopian socialist/nazist state, as for any utopian/figment of imagination, is human relevancy.

00:47:51 mircea_popescu: this is an unattainable goal for fundamental reasons.

00:47:55 decimation: the "space fence", transmitter blasted nearly 1 megawatt skyward to 'ping' off satellites

00:48:03 mircea_popescu: yet lucifer still doth try to fly.

00:48:33 *: asciilifeform wonders when ocean fiber reamplifiers will begin to include a few kg of trotyl with motion fuse, for meddlesome buggers

00:49:28 decimation: re: gov't control: witness the usg attempting to "control" "guns"

00:49:34 asciilifeform: unattainable goal << their modus operandi is to cripple people in any available way, to inject 'relevancy.' no reason to think this won't continue with better tech.

00:50:23 decimation: "if we can't bring everyone up to your level then we will tear you down"

00:50:34 mircea_popescu: of course it will continue. it will continue not to work lol.

00:50:58 mircea_popescu: obviously a car without an engine will continue to be a car without an engine for as long as hills and people willing to push can be found.

00:51:45 asciilifeform: decimation: ground-based gizmo obsoleted by orbital spybots

00:51:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4044 @ 0.00070482 = 2.8503 BTC [+]

00:52:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the folks pushing the 'urban' ('totalitarian', etc, pick favourite term) << these seriously aren't equivalent.

00:52:06 asciilifeform: (how many of the latter still work - a different question)

00:52:14 decimation: asciilifeform: i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Based_Space_Surveillance

00:52:14 assbot: Space Based Space Surveillance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:52:25 mircea_popescu: the hayseeds imagine the urban despisement of their simpletonism is the same as the utopian hatred of their self sufficiency.

00:52:39 mircea_popescu: this is untrue, it only looks similar because they're too far away.

00:52:39 asciilifeform: are these entirely separable?

00:52:47 mircea_popescu: i would say so, yes.

00:52:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12856 @ 0.00070723 = 9.0921 BTC [+]

00:53:26 mircea_popescu: (as to the other point, the orbital spybots are a crapshot. earth based antenna is obv the right approach to the problem)

00:53:30 asciilifeform: if we actually get the tech for rural non-simpletonism (keep own pigs -and- bake own 14nm cores) - we'll learn

00:53:30 decimation: it seems to me that the self sufficiency is more threatening to the omni-state

00:53:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: why did the rulers of ussr, china, etc. push so aggressively for mechanized agriculture? to free the plow-pullers from their toil so they can watch opera? << for efficiency.

00:54:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is impossible to have rural nonsimpletonism also for fundamental reasons.

00:54:21 asciilifeform: 'efficiency' - 'takes function arguments.' efficiency at what, for whom.

00:54:33 mircea_popescu: you ever seen l'uomo delle stelle ?

00:54:50 asciilifeform: nope

00:55:19 decimation: most of the actual farmers I have met in the us are people - they can machine, weld, assemble own parts from scrap

00:55:19 mircea_popescu: you absolutely muyst see this film. the italian renaissance is important particularly because they peddle such exceptionaly clear, deep reaching intuitions.

00:55:26 mircea_popescu: now allow me to quote from my own recensy :

00:55:32 decimation: but they are a minority even in rural areas

00:56:23 asciilifeform: decimation: they can machine, weld, assemble own parts from scrap << sure. but can they build so much as a kalash round with own hands, to the required tolerances?

00:56:50 decimation: I would go with yes, many of them load their own ammo

00:56:55 asciilifeform: reload.

00:57:19 decimation: certainly peasants in pakistan can perform that feat

00:57:25 asciilifeform: decimation: nope.

00:57:33 mircea_popescu: meh i can't find where i said it. anyway, in that film, which is predicated on the notion that an urbanite goes in the rural other world (he's a fraudulent film talent scout, cinecita was a big deal in post war italy).

00:57:43 asciilifeform: they merely have access to seemingly-inexhaustible old war spoils

00:57:46 mircea_popescu: he is incredibly popular with the worms, for the obvious reason : a shot at their idea of a better life.

00:58:03 mircea_popescu: one of the worms in question is a shepherd. he says, 1950ish : "con le stelle se puo parlare".

00:58:26 mircea_popescu: fuckwit discovering the ancient sources of greek philosophy by hand on his own, two milenina late.

00:58:48 mircea_popescu: this is the reason you broadly cabn't have intelligent rural people : too contemplative, by the nature of what rural means.

00:59:35 *: asciilifeform always supposed that it was because they cannot have proper 'division of labour'

00:59:42 mircea_popescu: nah.

00:59:55 mircea_popescu: it's because they don't get the incentive or the opportunity to use a large swath of the brain.

01:00:29 mircea_popescu: think, the rural noob in town has been the lol of the town's margins anywhere anytime, pick a society. coincidence ?

01:00:32 mircea_popescu: i think not.

01:01:06 mircea_popescu: to put it in the terms of the anonimity as urban/rural dispute article : the rural guy can run software without ever needing a garbage collector, because no program ever covers memory.

01:01:17 mircea_popescu: now this may be just fine and dandy "for some applications", but it's not a computer.

01:01:22 decimation: places like silicon valley were started by rural folk from the midwest, founded fairchild & invented modern transistors and IC's

01:01:41 mircea_popescu: decimation mind, i'm not arguing the people themselves are broken.

01:01:42 asciilifeform: '?like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the ?newbies? to civilization burn down the building.)' (herr naggum)

01:01:48 mircea_popescu: but the environment is unconducive.

01:02:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform probably related problem, tho those are usually hunters.

01:02:12 decimation: well, there's no doubt that they had to come to the city to meet the son of IBM founder to get money to start the operation

01:02:25 mircea_popescu: decimation not just money.

01:02:39 asciilifeform: decimation: philo farnsworth invented the raster scan while plowing a field. there's always a weirdo exception.

01:02:40 mircea_popescu: people who have to come to b-a to start a successful operation don't need just the money, or even the money at all.

01:03:13 decimation: most of them worked in big east coast corporations for several years first, true

01:03:54 mircea_popescu: and again, the idea that there's something wrong with the people involved is patent nonsense. kids come from the vilage to town and do better than kids born in town all the time.

01:04:14 mircea_popescu: but the environment doth not allow specific things.

01:04:25 *: asciilifeform 'east cost corporations' << had the distinct impression that most of the people here never had to walk the u.s. большая зона

01:04:59 *: nubbins` gets the vague sense that gribs could use a !translate plugin

01:05:03 asciilifeform: !s большая зона

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01:05:08 asciilifeform: damn

01:05:14 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR1A4ohq6w0 :D

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01:05:41 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770509

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01:05:45 asciilifeform: there we go.

01:06:11 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traitorous_eight

01:06:11 assbot: Traitorous eight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:06:40 mircea_popescu: is this the chinese thing ?

01:06:49 mircea_popescu: o nm

01:07:32 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Noyce "In the summer of 1940, at the age of 12, he built a boy-sized aircraft with his brother, which they used to fly from the roof of the Grinnell College stables. "

01:07:32 assbot: Robert Noyce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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01:08:08 decimation: obviously if Mr. Noyce had stayed in Iowa he would have been an advanced farmer, not the founder of modern semiconductor business

01:08:09 asciilifeform: in modern usa, noyce would rot in own juices in a psychiatric ward.

01:08:19 decimation: quite possibly yes

01:08:33 asciilifeform: (or derp on 'reddit')

01:09:24 mircea_popescu: shockley is perhaps the best example of totally nutso master running his harem straight into a wall.

01:09:29 mircea_popescu: prolly a good case study

01:09:43 asciilifeform: howard hughes (around same time)

01:09:48 asciilifeform: not an uncommon pattern

01:09:54 decimation: fortunately they had the sense to follow noyce into the middle of nowhere and start a new business

01:10:04 mircea_popescu: at least hughes was not a boring stolid "social improvement" type.

01:10:18 mircea_popescu: from experience girls will forget flamboyant failure much easier than boring drudgery.

01:10:41 asciilifeform: shockley did, if i recall, hit upon the idea of building a sperm bank to.. hand out own sperm

01:11:57 mircea_popescu: wasn't he the guy who overengineered a diode while neglecting transistors to the point nobody could afford it ?

01:12:53 decimation: yeah he basically said "forget about the transistor, really complicated diodes are the future"

01:13:03 asciilifeform: 'Shockley was the only one to publicly acknowledge his donation to the sperm bank.' (pediwikia)

01:13:04 decimation: that was pretty much when noyce et. al. bailed

01:13:35 asciilifeform: diode logic is a complete logic, incidentally.

01:13:38 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shockley_diode

01:13:39 assbot: Shockley diode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:13:58 asciilifeform: (so it isn't entirely clear that he was wrong)

01:14:22 decimation: no, but apparently after he got his Nobel prize he became an insufferable ass

01:14:36 mircea_popescu: decimation this is a particular sort of methodological error strategists of the "too clean" variety make. the error is to imagine that what's in question is whether the new thing is promising (positive) rather than broken (negative). fact is any new thing that isn't broken will probably outperform any current thing simply because business is about growth.

01:14:48 asciilifeform: like many successful/creative types, he had a 'red dwarf phase' of life

01:14:51 mircea_popescu: and by too clean i mean the sort that doesn't bareback random whores because "who knows what may happen"

01:16:18 asciilifeform: !s simulated annealing

01:16:18 assbot: 5 results for 'simulated annealing' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=simulated+annealing

01:16:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was this where i was disagreeing with locklin's similar idiocy ?

01:17:17 asciilifeform: possibly

01:17:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2014#515199

01:17:28 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

01:17:50 asciilifeform: ^ old discussion of why china failed to technoclobber europe

01:18:44 mircea_popescu: ah yes.

01:18:52 asciilifeform: (too 'cold' in the simulated annealing sense. i.e., not psychotic enough.)

01:18:59 decimation: the problem is that with something like computing, it's "somewhat broken"

01:19:14 mircea_popescu: where is the locklin one. basically his thesis was that "printed guns will never work because the barrel isn't sexy"

01:19:21 asciilifeform: hans eysenck's 'psychoticism'

01:19:23 decimation: the broken-ness becomes a negative externality that is distributed randomly

01:19:27 mircea_popescu: decimation well if there weren't problems...

01:19:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah i see what you mean. i took it literally :D

01:20:53 asciilifeform: as i recall, locklin's observation was that 'printed' gun is a technowankerous curio, vastly inferior to an aggregation of discarded plumbing parts and a rusty nail

01:21:27 mircea_popescu: which it is. and yet... the discussion isn't whether it looks promising (in the terms of today)

01:22:14 mircea_popescu: somewhat vaguely related : the nbc producers that decided to greenlight seinfeld, the largest grossing production in the history of nbc and the thing that even made sitcoms a thing

01:22:14 asciilifeform: speaking of which, time for today's 'sovietism.' not one english-speaking fellow i've met seemed to know, that you can machine arbitrarily hard metals with no cutting elements (no noise, no wear, no need for massive ballscrews or slides, etc.)

01:22:17 asciilifeform: electrolytically.

01:22:37 mircea_popescu: are on the record stating something like "well these two idiots came in, one a complete nobody , the other a dork, but we figured... whatever, it's just a script, we've not spent that much money on it"

01:22:48 asciilifeform: this was perfected in ussr, and the only vendor of electrolytic mills (which could trivially 'etch' small - or large - arms of whatever kind, on a desktop) is still russian.

01:23:06 asciilifeform: it was a response to the nato embargo on selling 6-axis milling machines to the sovblok.

01:23:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is it expensive to do ?

01:23:15 asciilifeform: expensive but only in electrical current.

01:23:22 asciilifeform: in materials, pauper-cheap.

01:23:34 mircea_popescu: hehe. "build a nuclear plant you're done"

01:23:34 asciilifeform: no need for exotic cutters or quality slides

01:23:51 asciilifeform: and the hardness of the material being cut doesn't matter at all - so long as it conducts.

01:23:55 decimation: you can achieve good tolerances too

01:24:26 asciilifeform: also scales down. (but no one, afaik, has scaled it.)

01:24:38 mircea_popescu: can you make a tungsten carbide shooter ?

01:24:51 asciilifeform: if you're fine with waiting a year for the, e.g., pistol, draw 1 amp instead of 1000.

01:25:12 asciilifeform: tungsten carbide is brittle. but - yes, trivially.

01:25:23 decimation: I wish 'maker' derps would build machining devices rather than plastic molders

01:25:43 asciilifeform: decimation: they do.

01:25:45 mircea_popescu: decimation consumer society loves plastic. it'd shove it in its collective vagina if it could.

01:25:50 asciilifeform: is diametric awake?

01:25:59 asciilifeform: he owns a cnc mill, the size of a tv set.

01:26:16 asciilifeform: (but he's a thinking man; no idea what 'maker derps' do)

01:26:22 decimation: yeah I guess cnc mill counts for that

01:26:29 mircea_popescu: you know one of you two needs to get a real name thing going. it's so fucking difficult for me to keep diametric and decimation apart in my head.

01:26:30 decimation: or cnc lathe

01:26:57 *: asciilifeform is satisfied with conventional lathe. but milling is another matter

01:26:58 decimation: heh perhaps I should pick an orthogonal basis

01:27:32 asciilifeform: point of the above unfinished tale is, most of the difficulty of machining as a field revolves around the unwanted sequelae of having to cut metal with metal.

01:27:51 asciilifeform: (or with a 'knife' in the general sense)

01:27:56 decimation: you mean dealing with broken bits, shavings, heat etc?

01:28:01 asciilifeform: and annealing.

01:28:19 asciilifeform: it is more or less impossible to anneal (and, opposite, harden) all but the smallest objects in 'jungle conditions'

01:28:23 mircea_popescu: the friction heat'd be the problem

01:28:29 asciilifeform: 'work hardening', yes

01:28:37 asciilifeform: you cut, and the metal in that place is now hardenes.

01:28:39 asciilifeform: *hardened

01:29:03 asciilifeform: have to take the piece out of the machine, anneal (soften) it, re-mount, re-align...

01:29:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually one should be able to anneal in jungle conditions. put gun on rock, put lens on gun around 7am. by early morning next...

01:29:40 asciilifeform: need even heat and specific 'curve.'

01:29:48 mircea_popescu: but the sun heat is even.

01:30:28 decimation: what about plasma cutter? wouldn't that heat while cutting?

01:30:28 asciilifeform: yes, you can build an oven 'archimedes'-style

01:30:38 mircea_popescu: something like that yea.

01:30:45 asciilifeform: plasma cutter is generally a 2d affair.

01:30:54 mircea_popescu: decimation you familiar with adiabatic as a concept ?

01:31:06 mircea_popescu: "too fast for meaningful heat exchange"

01:31:27 decimation: yeah that makes sense, too little mass in contact

01:31:41 asciilifeform: outside of the russian world, electrolytic machining only caught on in 2d - this is how circuit boards are made. (photographic etching)

01:32:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc plasma cutting is 2d for a very similar reason : too damned expensive.

01:32:46 mircea_popescu: there is some 3d ablative tech sort-of similar, but mostly limited to medicinal use

01:33:13 decimation: well water-jet cutting is up there too

01:33:17 asciilifeform: heat deforms.

01:33:25 asciilifeform: this is a bitch if you actually care about 3d geometry

01:34:01 midnightmagic: where's rapatan when you need him

01:35:13 TheNewDeal: water-jet ... that's what I do!

01:39:07 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal srsly ?

01:39:12 decimation: waterjet is pretty cool, but it has its own "sequelae", not fit for pauper-tech

01:39:16 TheNewDeal: yah. I just set em up

01:39:35 TheNewDeal: they cut out granite, marble, and man-made stone for the most part. I've heard some people cut steel with em

01:40:00 TheNewDeal: counter-tops that is

01:40:05 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/AR8UVBW

01:40:05 assbot: ('chemistry and life') 1990, vol. 1, pp. 83 - Imgur

01:40:09 asciilifeform: ^ posted for your pleasure

01:40:29 asciilifeform: for those who don't know russian, the photo should suffice.

01:40:43 asciilifeform: how to drill a hole without a drill.

01:41:10 TheNewDeal: they're CNC machines though, so you can do some cool in-lay stuff with em though http://imgur.com/Botjoww I did that with a guy in chicago

01:41:11 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

01:41:15 asciilifeform: reprint of a 1973 article in same.

01:41:49 asciilifeform: gears are routinely cut with waterjet, or plasma torch, or electric arc (not to be confused with electrolytic) machine.

01:41:56 asciilifeform: but none of these are pauperizable.

01:42:06 asciilifeform: and they all require skill.

01:42:40 decimation: asciilifeform: why do all of these machines continue to use "g-code"?

01:42:56 asciilifeform: article suggests a useful 'household' application for the demo - poke a hole in a hardened steel knife where the handle fell off, to bolt on new handle.

01:43:10 asciilifeform: try this with an ordinary drill! (without annealing to destroy knife's temper)

01:43:47 asciilifeform: decimation: g-code << it's just simple coordinate motions, with some commands to specify tool changes, splines, etc. what would you have them use?

01:43:52 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal pretty cool.

01:43:59 TheNewDeal: pauperizable? a monkey could run this machine

01:44:10 asciilifeform: but could a monkey purchase it.

01:44:15 mircea_popescu: !up Bitcoin1011

01:44:16 TheNewDeal: a monkey with a cool 250k

01:44:20 asciilifeform: lol

01:44:34 TheNewDeal: thats funny money, not bitcoin

01:44:50 TheNewDeal: decimation - yes g-code is used

01:45:02 decimation: asciilifeform: something turing-complete?

01:45:35 TheNewDeal: we draw all the programs out with software called alphacam , our company adds on a toolbar that automatically generates the g-code, then you literally just upload it to the machine and hit go

01:45:39 mircea_popescu: i always was kinda fascinated by gem inlay/cutting.

01:45:48 mircea_popescu: maybe when i retire i make myself a lab.

01:45:53 Bitcoin1011: Hi guys and girls, I'm looking for an android app developer with Bitcoin protocol experience, can anyone direct me?

01:45:53 asciilifeform: turing-complete << this brings up another interesting observation - none of today's machine tools give the computer any feedback, beyond slide end-stop sensors

01:45:59 asciilifeform: (even those are often absent from small machines)

01:46:12 asciilifeform: the computer has no idea what, if anything, was actually cut - and hwo

01:46:14 asciilifeform: *how

01:46:30 mircea_popescu: Bitcoin1011 maybe RagnarDanneskjol when he wakes up.

01:46:44 asciilifeform: an electrolytic mill could, conceivably, know how much metal was actually removed at time 't'

01:46:50 mircea_popescu: but for that matter, so am i, the kids with the apps haven't yet discovered bitcoin pays better.

01:47:03 asciilifeform: (current flow sensor, and, if clever, modulated current, exploit 'skin effect')

01:47:26 decimation: asciilifeform: that's an interesting point

01:47:29 Bitcoin1011: thank you

01:47:41 asciilifeform: i bring up electrolytic machining to explore a point - that tech meant for 'jungle conditions' is a very different field from what is presently dealt with by 'sane' engineers.

01:47:41 Bitcoin1011: Is he involved in other mobile apps in the space for my reference?

01:47:52 decimation: for conductive metals you could measure resistance of liquid

01:48:44 asciilifeform: the '3d printer' folks are still, by and large, thinking like 'normal' engineers.

01:49:21 asciilifeform: e.g., their only public suggestion thus far for metalwork is laser sintering - cribbed straight from ordinary industry

01:49:21 TheNewDeal: believing they can accomplish everything with one shitty machine?

01:50:17 asciilifeform: sintering is only used in 'real life', generally, when there is no other choice (ceramics, and metals that really don't behave well in a mill like tungsten)

01:50:17 decimation: to me the obvious use for plastic turd is to make molds for metal pouring

01:50:52 decimation: I think titanium falls in that category sometimes too

01:51:02 asciilifeform: Ti is pyrophoric but machineable if you must.

01:51:48 decimation: but the process of melting and pouring most metals in jungle conditions is not very reliable

01:52:04 asciilifeform: chairman mao's backyard furnaces, yes.

01:52:40 asciilifeform: 'homo redditicus' will not be casting, machining, water-jetting, or lasering cannon.

01:52:45 asciilifeform: but he might etch them.

01:53:09 asciilifeform: (now that we helpfully pointed out how.)

01:54:06 decimation: re: laser sintering: it seems to me that it is likely that you are going to leave "air bubbles" in the resulting metal, since you are melting piecemeal

01:54:17 asciilifeform: not merely likely, but certain.

01:54:29 asciilifeform: but the crystal structure disruption is the bigger deal there.

01:55:10 decimation: you are making "metal stew" instead of smooth puree

01:55:23 asciilifeform: correct.

01:56:05 decimation: http://www.materialsviews.com/making-titanium-cheaper-hydrogen-sintering/ "To achieve high density and low oxygen titanium powder is typically sintered in high vacuum."

01:56:05 assbot: Making Titanium Cheaper: Hydrogen Sintering

01:56:16 decimation: thus negating the low cost benefit

01:56:29 TheNewDeal: what the hell do you all mean jungle conditions?

01:57:01 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: resources available to an average person of modest means and lukewarm enthusiasm

01:57:10 TheNewDeal: ahhh

01:57:34 TheNewDeal: I could get you a waterjet... but it may just be a super-soaker with a paint job

01:58:11 decimation: even if you had a free high-quality waterjet, one would have program, get water+abrasive, monitor cut closely, maintain jet machine

01:58:23 decimation: none of which are going to be cheap or simple

02:00:26 decimation: http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/08/12/tech-visionary-george-gilder-bitcoin-is << not the most articulate, but mildly interesting

02:00:28 assbot: Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - Reason.com

02:01:49 decimation: it's obvious that there's a segment of silicon valley circus that sees bitcoin as a way to exit from usg

02:02:45 TheNewDeal: I just don't get why they think it's all about some party

02:02:59 TheNewDeal: It's not libertarian - anybody can use it

02:05:00 decimation: TheNewDeal: libertarians are going to claim whatever success they think they are aligned with, for facebook likes.

02:05:28 TheNewDeal: ^laughs

02:06:29 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/AR8UVBW

02:06:30 assbot: ('chemistry and life') 1990, vol. 1, pp. 83 - Imgur

02:06:34 asciilifeform: ^ now with english translation!

02:07:49 decimation: my uncle was a research chemist (retired) at a large chemical firm in rural us. he was always complaining about the low quality of "chemists" who graduate from us schools

02:08:43 asciilifeform: decimation: aside from the unremarkable decay across the board of all things u.s., there is a specific phenomenon at work on chemists. in most u.s. schools, they do not actually teach chemistry. instead, they carry out an eleborate 'hazing ritual' for would-be med school applicants.

02:08:59 asciilifeform: the students are asked to simply memorize the book of, e.g, organic reactions.

02:09:16 asciilifeform: with little-to-none attention to principles

02:09:47 *: asciilifeform did a 'second tour of duty' in undergrad ochem, as adult. and saw this alive.

02:09:48 decimation: this is because of the relative high status of a doctor compared to a chemist actually working in a big chemical corporation

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02:10:21 asciilifeform: decimation: they could have, in principle, decreed two sets of chemistry courses, one for med-muppetry, one for would-be chemists. but this did not happen.

02:10:56 asciilifeform: * 'second tour of duty' in undergrad --- ochem << missing punctuation matters

02:12:21 decimation: it is interesting how the us status hierarchy (bureaucrats on top, producers of things on bottom) has all kinds of distorting effects -- all of which is funded by the distortion of bezzle money

02:13:09 asciilifeform: when and where did 'producers' inhabit anywhere but the 'bottom' ?

02:14:39 asciilifeform: big chemical corporation:

02:14:40 asciilifeform: ;;google "call in the lab nigger"

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02:14:51 asciilifeform: fail

02:15:00 asciilifeform: http://www.science-bbs.com/46-chem/9132b93eb4930bc0.htm

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02:15:19 decimation: good point. http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/how-the-other-half-works-an-adventure-in-the-low-status-of-software-engineers/

02:15:20 assbot: How the Other Half Works: an Adventure in the Low Status of Software Engineers | Michael O. Church

02:17:18 decimation: managing stuff is always going to be lower status than managing humans, for obvious reasons

02:18:26 asciilifeform: decimation: trivially true by mere definition.

02:19:15 decimation: nevertheless, as mircea_popescu points out, business is about growth, and growth is about knowing how to manage stuff

02:20:29 asciilifeform: required reading:

02:20:30 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/codemonkey.pdf

02:32:01 decimation: lol. apparently some monkeys recognize the usefulness of the code monkey

02:32:13 TheNewDeal: Quote from Tech Visionary George Glider "satoshi's worth a million bucks!"

02:32:38 peterl: ping fluffypony

02:32:43 asciilifeform: decimation: usefulness - and malleability.

02:33:02 TheNewDeal: actually he may have said billion

02:34:18 asciilifeform: (summary of paper: monkey is taught to solve a puzzle which unlocks a dispenser of tasty food. is placed in a cage of 'uneducated' monkeys. is then reliably beaten into dispensing the food for the 'bosses.')

02:34:55 decimation: this is roughly the deal most "managers of stuff" find themselves in: we will pretend you are a normal human as long as you give us stuff

02:43:47 asciilifeform: incidentally, for anyone who actually wants to try electrochemical machining, here is how NOT to do it:

02:43:49 asciilifeform: http://reprap.org/wiki/Electrochemical_Machining

02:43:50 assbot: Electrochemical Machining - RepRapWiki

02:44:20 asciilifeform: these unfortunates, who, one can surmise, don't know russian, neglected the detail that one must pump the electrolyte.

02:44:44 asciilifeform: the moving 'cutter' must be a nozzle where only a small area of liquid contacts the place to be cut.

02:45:04 asciilifeform: on account of your electrolyte being, by definition, conductive - you can pump it electrohydrodynamically.

02:46:03 asciilifeform: the funny thing is - they appear to understand exactly why the naive approach results in a putrid mess instead of the desired cut.

02:46:11 asciilifeform: but never made the obvious conclusion.

02:53:44 TheNewDeal: surprised by everyone's knowledge or machining/etc in here.

02:57:14 TheNewDeal: I have only read the first few lines, but what's this one on http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/ ?

02:57:17 assbot: The Most Serene Republic, and its laws. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:01:16 decimation: TheNewDeal: you mean the Shakespeare play?

03:01:44 TheNewDeal: it's just a fraudsters article written like shakespeare, no?

03:02:21 decimation: no I'm pretty sure it's a direct quote from the merchant of venice

03:03:52 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/OBujdtC

03:03:52 assbot: ECM for the thick - Imgur

03:03:56 asciilifeform: ^ for the thick

03:05:28 asciilifeform: if clever, emplace a magnetic field of the appropriate geometry around the fluid intake/return channels, so it is propelled entirely electrically. if even more clever, emplace a system in the reservoir to re-separate the metal from the electrolyte.

03:06:41 decimation: asciilifeform: to be clear, you want to restrict the contact area of the "working liquid" to keep from ruining the whole sample, right?

03:07:03 asciilifeform: corret.

03:07:05 asciilifeform: c

03:08:05 asciilifeform: alternatively, use a clever electrolyte that is only an electrolyte where illuminated by a laser.

03:08:21 decimation: so I was going to ask about photo-etching

03:08:42 asciilifeform: photo-etching is century-old SOP.

03:08:45 asciilifeform: but strictly 2d.

03:09:21 TheNewDeal: sop?

03:09:32 asciilifeform: standard op. proc.

03:09:43 TheNewDeal: that's what I was thinking...

03:09:48 asciilifeform: every circuit board you own was created that way.

03:10:18 TheNewDeal: I've worked in manufacturing envirorments for a few years now, was quite familiar with that acronym but didn't think you were using it for some reason

03:10:20 asciilifeform: (unless you're a weirdo with a cnc mill and a very fine bit)

03:12:04 decimation: well, and silicon die too, more or less

03:12:10 asciilifeform: aye.

03:13:27 decimation: it is odd that the process you are proposing is very similar to existing precision volume manufacturing yet has no "buy-in" from industry

03:14:03 asciilifeform: because it has piss-poor ROI in ordinary industry (unless you're the ussr)

03:14:16 asciilifeform: but for desktop machining - perfect. so long as you aren't in a hurry.

03:15:35 asciilifeform: prominently missing from the napkin sketch is a number of necessaries (means for cooling the electrolyte, scrubbing metal out of it, positioning of the head, etc)

03:15:50 asciilifeform: but should be clear to the alert reader that such things cannot be overlooked.

03:16:48 asciilifeform: you must also vent (or burn) the H and the O

03:17:02 asciilifeform: don't do it in your living room.

03:18:26 asciilifeform: 'this has been a production of Orcish Science for the Human Experimentalist (TM). Hope you enjoyed the show.'

03:18:35 decimation: lol

03:19:38 asciilifeform: 'check out our other installments, such as Balanced Trinary Computing and Electrically Induced REM Sleep.'

03:20:02 asciilifeform: 'all source code in REFAL, available on magnetized wire.'

03:20:20 decimation: REFAL?

03:20:37 asciilifeform: !s refal

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03:21:09 asciilifeform: think 'lisp-like forth' or 'forth-like lisp' but that doesn't really cover it.

03:21:52 decimation: heh. when I was young I taught myself programming with "user RPN" on HP calculator

03:22:50 decimation: "user RPL" that is

03:23:11 decimation: which in retrospect is basically lisp I guess

03:23:39 *: asciilifeform was sometimes allowed to borrow one of these: http://rk86.com/frolov/mk61-5.jpg

03:24:18 decimation: heh was that an hp knockoff?

03:24:24 asciilifeform: not exactly

03:24:28 asciilifeform: it was its own animal.

03:24:36 asciilifeform: even had microcode bugs that were 'useful'

03:25:23 decimation: original hp48 looked like it was styled in east germany: http://www.thimet.de/CalcCollection/Calculators/HP-48GX/HP-48GPlus-M.JPG I loved the clicky "tic-tac" keyboard

03:25:28 asciilifeform: when you borked it, it would display this:

03:25:29 asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%95%D0%93%D0%93%D0%9E%D0%93

03:25:29 assbot: Lurkmore

03:25:39 asciilifeform: and we always wondered what an 'EGGOG' was.

03:25:54 decimation: lol

03:26:23 TheNewDeal: something really bad obviously

03:26:29 TheNewDeal: similar to eggnog

03:27:21 decimation: asciilifeform: have you studied Greek, since Cyril gave you the same typography?

03:27:57 asciilifeform: not other than superficially.

03:29:52 asciilifeform: for some reason folks who lived in latinate script all their life are obsessed with typography

03:30:10 asciilifeform: as if it were ever the 'hard part'

03:30:37 decimation: heh yeah it's pretty easy to memorize another alphabet, it's much harder to remember grammar & vocabulary

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03:39:55 asciilifeform: poor englishfolk don't even have character encoding in-jokes - e.g. http://lurkmore.to/%D0%91%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%9F%D0%9D%D0%AF

03:39:55 assbot: Lurkmore

03:40:36 asciilifeform: (bad encoding settings often result in hilariously-pronounceable garbage, some of which entered circulation as euphemism and otherwise)

03:46:23 decimation: «оепейкчвх акъ йндхпнбйс!»

03:47:39 decimation: unfortunately the encoding jokes don't translate on google

03:53:08 kakobrekla: satisfying log. keep up the good work.

03:55:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 817 @ 0.00119767 = 0.9785 BTC [+] {3}

03:58:54 decimation: lol I didn't realize that there was a controversy about how to spell "Ukraine" in Cyrillic http://lurkmore.to/В/на

03:58:54 assbot: / Lurkmore

04:00:19 *: asciilifeform prefers viktor pelevin's уркаина - 'urkaine', which metamorphosizes over 1000 years (in one of his tales) to 'urkland' and then 'orcland.'

04:01:26 decimation: lol

04:17:52 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/cHWju2Y << re: orcs.

04:17:52 assbot: Pigsty. - Imgur

04:20:24 decimation: this lurkomore is a hilarious combination of wikipedia, pravda, and 4chan

04:20:39 asciilifeform: more like 'encyclopaedia dramatica' but more entertaining.

04:26:12 mircea_popescu: ahh that was nice.

04:28:00 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Bitcoin1011: Is he involved in other mobile apps in the space for my reference? << no, he's the resident talent scout.

04:28:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:28:40 mircea_popescu: decimation: to me the obvious use for plastic turd is to make molds for metal pouring << metal pouring is a very iffy proposition tho.

04:30:10 mircea_popescu: assbot: Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - Reason.com << what is this, "i've caught up to 2011 let me tell you what i have now discovered" ?

04:30:40 decimation: yeah professionals are constantly monitoring temperature, chemical tests, adding various trace elements

04:31:00 mircea_popescu: it's starting to amze me, the natural cargo-cult-ish inclination of most english space dwellers. it's a sort of, 1. learn french ; 2. read some fragments of rousseau at local library, by themselves ; 3. start blog to impart your discovery that you call "the social deal" to the world.

04:31:22 decimation: mircea_popescu: indeed, these folks are slow on the uptake, but it is amusing to see reflections on the edge of 'real media'

04:31:38 mircea_popescu: instead of the more normal 1. learn french ; 2. read some fragments of rousseau at local library ; 3. proceed to read the 200 years' worth of discussion on rousseau

04:32:27 mircea_popescu: the rough equivalent would be, peasant goes to plow field, finds roman coin trove, mounts them in his nose, goes about town like he's invented african tribalism.

04:33:19 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: I just don't get why they think it's all about some party << because if it's about something in their system then that validates the system in question.

04:33:42 mircea_popescu: "look how right we are, and how relevant to the future and general affairs as a going concern : even this bitcoin thing is about something we discuss."

04:34:03 mircea_popescu: for this same reason a newtonian physics professor would rather entertain phlogiston than string theory.

04:34:58 decimation: you have to understand, the "Libertarian party" in the US is a perennial loser, they are desperate to attach to anything that smells of success.

04:35:32 mircea_popescu: moreover, the actual loser in the us, ie, the actual us, is desperate to attach the current representation of their eventual doom to something that's a perennial loser.

04:35:41 mircea_popescu: which is why i was talking about "in ron paul terms" yest.

04:36:17 mircea_popescu: makes one feel better about onesefl if can at least claim bitcoin is like you know, "that thing that's bee going on forever at the outskirts".

04:36:31 mircea_popescu: "the geese are not roused by the germans, but by the crows outside the gate".

04:37:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/AR8UVBW << quoted for the battery. now that EXACT battery, so exact that a vague outline thereof is the most that's needed and the most a person of taste and discrimination would ever draw, for fear of being you know, boringingly fastidious, is a 4.5 volt 3 cell mangan oxide battery that was the most important element of my childhood.

04:37:47 assbot: ('chemistry and life') 1990, vol. 1, pp. 83 - Imgur

04:37:52 mircea_popescu: everything important depended on it

04:38:17 mircea_popescu: http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh110/Ovidanie/Baterie45VElba1.jpg

04:38:20 mircea_popescu: best gift ever, too.

04:38:31 mircea_popescu: you could taste how full it was, also.

04:38:50 mircea_popescu: just strong enough to rig it to girl's bits productively, all sorts of surprising uses.

04:39:15 mircea_popescu: http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh110/Ovidanie/Album%20nou/BaterieElba.jpg << bottom shot. paper casing.

04:39:42 decimation: one rarely encounters such batteries in the us

04:39:57 mircea_popescu: this was more of a 60s 70s and somewhat 80s thing.

04:40:04 mircea_popescu: the 9 volt cell things took over eventually.

04:41:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: with little-to-none attention to principles << the reason would be that chemistry is not a science. physics is the science. if the kids wanted the principles they'd go for physics. if they didn't that means they don't wish to understand the thing, but merely you know... be engineers :D

04:42:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.00070388 = 21.2924 BTC [-] {2}

04:44:21 decimation: most "Libertarians" are pretty much leftists with a slight preference for more "personal freedom" (the kind without personal responsibility)

04:45:18 mircea_popescu: the problem with letting people self identify instead of having third parties identify them is that people will mis-selfidentify.

04:45:44 mircea_popescu: part of why the wot is so fucking useful. "you're not a ceo until mp says you're a ceo" has, along with its excellent oppressive potential, some incredible value in practice.

04:47:24 mircea_popescu: " you will need to swap the electrolyte a few times, and clean the cavity (at least with a nail) from the products of electrolysis." from the imgur in question. this is not strictly true : in some cases the electrolyte products are protective, in some cases however they are not. depends a lot what we're drilling. (this is roughly why rust is a problem for iron but not aluminum say.)

04:48:47 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: it's just a fraudsters article written like shakespeare, no? << it's the merchant of venice ye lout! :D

04:50:44 mircea_popescu: !up bgupta

04:50:46 mircea_popescu: !up bgupta_

04:52:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but for desktop machining - perfect. so long as you aren't in a hurry. << well no, see, electricity is still sold by the watt. whether you're in a hurry or not, you still need same wattage, so still are beholden to the same (rather high) cost. so i suppose "so long as you're making something small enough for your fun doing it to be worth the 0.001 cent to 1/4 dollar price transition"

04:52:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 430 @ 0.00475215 = 2.0434 BTC [+] {8}

04:53:55 decimation: asciilifeform: http://ebayitem.com/301199083821 << cheap GPS module that has variable pulse output up to 20 MHz, good for lab signal source

04:53:58 assbot: Ublox Neo 7M GPS GNSS Module Built in Data Memory Replace Neo 6M | eBay

04:54:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and we always wondered what an 'EGGOG' was. << ahaha that's so cute.

04:56:00 mircea_popescu: in this spirit : my old z80 clone had an english "codeword" instruction set printed out right on the kbd, as was fashionable at the time.

04:56:38 mircea_popescu: the word merge was there, which in romanian means "it works" (technically, "it goes") and is often a colloquialism "-merge ? -merge, merge" roughly works to "how goes it ? " "okay I guess".

04:56:54 mircea_popescu: so yeah, i used to include 10. Merge Merge instructions in basic programs.

04:57:52 decimation: I always wondered about non-English-speaking folk who had to learn "Englishisms" to program computers when I was younger

04:58:09 decimation: I guess the default situation is that if you can program a computer, you can learn english too

04:58:25 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: satisfying log. keep up the good work. << i guess we're all labrats in kako's little lab experiment.

04:58:28 mircea_popescu: AND HES EXPLOITING US

04:59:04 mircea_popescu: decimation it's a curse hiding a blessing : in learning english as the pronounceable pigdin of computer symbols, one learns to disrespect the social conventions the language carries otherwise.

04:59:14 mircea_popescu: pretty much the only correct way to learn english, if you ask me.

04:59:36 decimation: sounds legit

05:00:01 mircea_popescu: then one readily progresses, about the age of 16 or so, to realise that necessarily the same is true of their own naitve language

05:00:11 mircea_popescu: at which point sudden immunity to say salesmen develops.

05:00:22 mircea_popescu: "just because you say goto 10 don't expect me to care, nitwit"

05:00:58 mircea_popescu: suddenly the coder kid discovers he can be a much better lawyer than most judges specifically because he can read a cleaner version of the text than people who learned it on the "linguistics" path.

05:01:14 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

05:01:15 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 472.0, Best ask: 473.39, Bid-ask spread: 1.39000, Last trade: 473.39, 24 hour volume: 17210.88179869, 24 hour low: 471.6, 24 hour high: 493.98, 24 hour vwap: 482.928376209

05:01:17 ThickAsThieves: sorry guys

05:01:19 mircea_popescu: maybe not as clean ultimately but certainly cleaner per unit effort.

05:01:23 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how goes ?

05:01:28 ThickAsThieves: awesome

05:01:37 ThickAsThieves: been shorting the shit outta btc

05:01:47 mircea_popescu: lol. making out like a bandit ?

05:01:55 ThickAsThieves: embarrasingly

05:02:01 mircea_popescu: good for you.

05:02:06 mircea_popescu: don't get caught outdoors now.

05:02:10 ThickAsThieves: inded

05:02:12 decimation: Mr. Yarvin experienced something similiar w.r.t. American culture: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-i-stopped-believing-in-democracy.html "For example, the first thing I remember from my first year in Maryland was something called a "pep rally." For those of you who did not attend an American public high school, a "pep rally" is basically a straight ripoff of what Albert Speer did at Nuremberg, except that (a)

05:02:13 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: How I stopped believing in democracy

05:02:13 ThickAsThieves: indeed

05:02:14 decimation: it is indoors, (b) there is not quite as much fire, and (c) there is less saluting, more screaming, and about the same amount of chanting."

05:03:14 mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform here's one for you : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aerj4qXPHJc

05:03:14 assbot: Prikoke (fabula animata) - YouTube

05:03:54 mircea_popescu: planeta moldova being pretty much the only claim to cultural fame/intellectual achievement of the imaginary country of "moldavia".

05:04:37 mircea_popescu: the interesting thing with those people however is that they speak and old, and for this reason arguably more powerful version of romanian (still with the very romanian "all other languages are just romanian badly pronounced") and they're all fluent in russian. especially the huy-russian part of russian.

05:05:05 mircea_popescu: the result being a scary fucking combo of psychotic expressivity (they also drink a lot, ukrainian style).

05:06:15 mircea_popescu: decimation and less tits. the few (like,4 or so) actual participants at the things i ever talk too, all 4 mostly went there for the braless wonders in attendance. it was apparently THE place to meet chicks.

05:07:37 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, http://static.entertainmentwise.com/gallery/BRITNEY2_BRALESS_WONDER.jpg

05:08:01 decimation: yeah American high school is weird that way, pretty much a mechanism for ascii's monkeys to identify the "useful" monkeys and begin the beatings

05:09:23 decimation: Mr. Yarvin goes on: "If you are an American raising kids abroad and you want to reintroduce them to your country, I highly recommend this sort of shock-and-awe approach. Having to deal with an American high school was not pleasant, but it gave me a certain respect for America: it exists. Once you go to college, you are no longer in the real America. You are in a fortified outpost of future America, which has been planted in the real

05:09:24 decimation: America to enlighten and assimilate it."

05:09:30 decimation: That seems pretty much true in my experience

05:10:19 mircea_popescu: you know it's bizarre, because it didn't work that way in romania of yore. we had a pretty sweet tacit agreement where the slower girls could copy for exams. generally there was a boy-genius in charge for any subject (chemistry was HARD and a chick did it, but otherwise was boys) and the guy in charge usually prepared a "for the class" version of the test (something that gave good marks but was a) comprehensible for th

05:10:20 mircea_popescu: e common man - or woman - so they'd not be embarassed if teacher asked followups and b) was credibly something they could come up with while still correct above a C lvl)

05:10:35 mircea_popescu: this resulted in a very docile and obedient population. they, for instance, always took notes. we never did.

05:11:37 decimation: generally in the us none of the kids in "regular class" give a shit about grades, learning, etc, which creates a different social dynamic

05:11:55 mircea_popescu: at the time in question, you literally could not go on a date if you sucked in school.

05:11:56 decimation: because no one was going to beat them if they failed basic pre-algebra

05:11:56 ben_vulpes: i learned at an early age the correlation between grades and what one learned

05:12:07 mircea_popescu: i mean you could be cool other ways, but an inability to ace something meant you, in so many words, sucked.

05:12:26 mircea_popescu: this attitude was principally what distinguished the privileged hs from the prole "vocational" w/e.

05:13:39 mircea_popescu: so i guess in a sense the observed difference readily reduces to "well, the us is a true popular democracy : they have no privileged highschool, everyone goes to the prole vocational crapolade"

05:14:10 ben_vulpes: "no privileged highschool"

05:14:14 ben_vulpes: bahahahaha

05:14:16 decimation: yeah, if you had brains generally better schools made provision for you to escape to the 'nerd class'

05:14:25 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mind, privilege is a very specific thing.

05:14:36 decimation: but the context is set by prole thinking

05:14:39 mircea_popescu: it is when everyone else is taught to get out of your way because you are better than them.

05:14:43 ben_vulpes: i am indeed coming in on the tail of this one - to what specifically do you refer?

05:15:00 ben_vulpes: that's why i sniped the best public school girls throughout hs

05:15:16 mircea_popescu: ah but outside of personal experience, i'm discussiong a system.

05:15:26 mircea_popescu: obviously some kids will do fine in any conceivable arrangement.

05:15:34 ben_vulpes: storytime!

05:15:37 mircea_popescu: this is, in so many words, the whole hope of humanity.

05:15:43 ben_vulpes: actually i'll not interrupt.

05:15:46 mircea_popescu: im done :)

05:16:00 mircea_popescu: well not done with the logs and pinging ascii, but with this skein

05:16:19 ben_vulpes: well in that case

05:16:48 ben_vulpes: i attended a particular hs (OES, for the lurkers), and rode the bus home instead of driving as I got more reading time out of the experience.

05:17:45 ben_vulpes: OES being in deep southwest and my home being in the near SE (bezzlar-ployees having to live near the mega fabs and my father not being one, we lived in the cool part of town: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=218), i had much time to use for reading.

05:17:45 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

05:18:02 mircea_popescu: http://thechive.com/2012/10/18/where-were-going-you-wont-need-bras-55-photos/ tits, meanwhile. for the... lurkers.

05:18:03 assbot: Where we’re going, you won’t need bras (55 Photos) : : theCHIVE

05:18:27 cazalla: ATO released their bitcoin guidance today https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Gen/Tax-treatment-of-crypto-currencies-in-Australia---specifically-bitcoin/

05:18:30 assbot: Tax treatment of crypto-currencies in Australia - specifically bitcoin | Australian Taxation Office

05:19:13 ben_vulpes: at some point during sophomore year i realized that my bus passed a local public hs, so i stopped in at the starbucks outside of campus, timing my arrival to be some days thirty minutes before class got out and some days thirty minutes after class got out (i had no rationale at the time, but it was a good call)

05:20:01 ben_vulpes: this made me many "friends" outside of school, and for a kid going to a school whose entire HS complement numberd 190, this mattered.

05:20:06 mircea_popescu: hs got campuses nao ? splurge.

05:20:14 ben_vulpes: i did

05:20:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00070436 = 1.7257 BTC [+]

05:20:32 ben_vulpes: mpoe still trading in the sevens

05:20:50 decimation: mircea_popescu: "traditional" US high school has massive facility mostly serving school athletics

05:21:33 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes almost looks like it may reach 6!

05:21:40 mircea_popescu: but anyway, so what's the punchline ?

05:21:48 ben_vulpes: so i'm retarded right?

05:21:59 mircea_popescu: THAT's the punchline ?

05:22:21 ben_vulpes: this implies to me that mpoe holders are dumping to move their coins to usd like typical momentum traders

05:22:56 ben_vulpes: winklevoss etf comes online, btc legs down to 380 briefly, mpoe trades at what - six again?

05:23:13 mircea_popescu: nfi.

05:23:31 decimation: ben_vulpes: that's when you hit the buy button right?

05:23:49 ThickAsThieves: building bubbles ain't easy!

05:24:00 ben_vulpes: whither the mpex smarts? or is everything wackily correlated and when btc rockets to 800 come march o'clock does doge briefly cross 50 satoshi again?

05:24:24 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so what if ben_vulpes has it his way and by say 2050 most people that are people actually live in one ? << uh pardon?

05:24:36 mircea_popescu: submarines.

05:25:02 ben_vulpes: just because it makes sense to mine high-density rare earths from the seafloor doesn't mean any significant number of meatwads are going to be living subsurface.

05:25:25 mircea_popescu: and in this you are wrong.

05:25:30 mircea_popescu: why do you think california even exists ?

05:25:40 ben_vulpes: plate tectonics?

05:25:59 ThickAsThieves: i'd live subsurface, if it were cooler

05:26:02 decimation: the thing that sucks about submarines is that when you are on the surface they are unstable

05:26:17 ben_vulpes: decimation: aren't they most stable subsurface though?

05:26:21 decimation: so you get a terrible ride unless you can be underwater for a long time

05:26:41 decimation: right underwater the ride is great, but you need energy source that doesn't depend on breathing air

05:27:04 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> well, lettuce see. the submarine is submerged. it does not care about "weather" in either fluid sense. with the new fleshlights and tumblr pr0nz... i defy you to find a bunch of 20somethings whose current life would be differen if they were subbed. < ah

05:27:25 mircea_popescu: decimation let's put it this way : long before 2050 it will be feasible to build a submersible that never surfaces, can host one redditard and weighs under 1k tons.

05:27:38 mircea_popescu: that's a cost of about 100k in scrap metal. ie, affordable.

05:27:42 mircea_popescu: the tech exists today, integrally.

05:27:57 decimation: yeah such a thing is probably near the realm of possibility, I agree

05:28:13 mircea_popescu: you don't need "air", you need oxygen. oxygen is in water, and not expensive to get out.

05:28:29 mircea_popescu: burning the resulting hydrogen in your own atmosphere a) purifies the air and b) makes water.

05:28:34 mircea_popescu: drinkable water i mean.

05:29:03 decimation: you need an energy source to break the water bonds

05:29:14 mircea_popescu: energy is not actually expensive, both nuclear and geothermal generators can conveniently live submerged.

05:29:24 mircea_popescu: and fully automated at that.

05:29:50 mircea_popescu: in this sense, global warming would be a boon for humanity, if it weren't a wholly concocted piece of nonsense.

05:29:55 ben_vulpes: what is this chive thing

05:30:36 decimation: as ascii's quote of Mr. Yarvin points out, one would then make themselves a slave to Neptune, who isn't a forgiving master

05:30:38 mircea_popescu: ppl trying to be cool.

05:30:49 mircea_popescu: decimation zephyr is better ?

05:31:09 decimation: good point. or worse, those who worship statues of themselves

05:31:10 mircea_popescu: living makes one live, this much is agreed. merely pleading to ignorance isn't much contribution (and his tendency to plead to nonsense is why i dislike curtis)

05:31:25 mircea_popescu: specifically : just because you're used to zephyr's inconveniences to the point you don't notice them anymore

05:31:36 mircea_popescu: whereas the neptune inconveniences appear uncommon and thus remarkable,

05:31:45 mircea_popescu: doesn't say anything useful. to fish water is as unremarkable as air to you.

05:32:08 mircea_popescu: but there's no underwater tornadoes.

05:32:23 decimation: nor do hurricanes, earthquakes, etc make much difference to the fish

05:32:24 mircea_popescu: no living thing underwater was ever pierced by a tootphick turned into a pike by "unseasonable" winds.

05:32:28 mircea_popescu: there's no ocean hail.

05:32:37 mircea_popescu: no thing can kill you by fallling on your head under water.

05:33:06 mircea_popescu: i nearly got done in in romania by a 5 sq inch, 100 gram piece of tile that fell a foot in front of me, from ten or so floors up.

05:33:12 decimation: one thing I would certainly grant: it would be far easier for humanity to escape to the ocean floor than to the harshness of space

05:33:13 mircea_popescu: unforgiving master indeed.

05:33:22 mircea_popescu: exactly.

05:33:36 mircea_popescu: now grant one more thing : there's going to be no space until long after the ocean floor is alma mater.

05:33:47 decimation: agreed.

05:33:51 mircea_popescu: so there we go.

05:34:07 mircea_popescu: curtis yarvin a footnote of meaninglessness in a larger discussion, as every fucking time.

05:34:59 decimation: yeah, he has a tendency to "drive-by" interesting points without actually making a point

05:35:28 mircea_popescu: that much doesn't even annoy me, my problem is that he without exception ends up pleading to ignorance, to numbers, to baculum, to some fallacy.

05:35:34 ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait` << from a conversation with a client earlier today: "pot makes you stupid! if my son keeps smoking, i'm going to cut him off."

05:35:50 mircea_popescu: it's like reading curtis bouvard, guy read alot but never had any sort of help to become a systematic thinker.

05:36:05 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i can see that.

05:36:21 ben_vulpes: kid's probably just retarded to begin with.

05:36:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25183 @ 0.00070618 = 17.7837 BTC [+] {2}

05:36:55 mircea_popescu: holy shit! Musi-Puxi!

05:36:58 mircea_popescu: dude this is too good.

05:37:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could taste how full it was << YES that battery.

05:37:21 musi-puxi: o hai stan.

05:37:30 asciilifeform: 'плоская батарейка' (flat batt)

05:37:51 asciilifeform: saw it open, 3 1.5v cells.

05:38:45 asciilifeform: electricity is still sold by the watt << most humans don't have 1000 amp feeds, hence 'no hurry' observation.

05:38:46 mircea_popescu: now i can say mp stands for musi puxi and nobody will fucking know just how great it is.

05:38:56 asciilifeform: 'priced by the watt' is only approximately true in this sense.

05:39:28 asciilifeform: cheap GPS module that has variable pulse output << no accuracy to speak of for short intervals (signal distortion of atmosphere, etc)

05:39:50 mircea_popescu: aEYaOPEDEK ahahah

05:40:09 decimation: asciilifeform: I think they make a version with TCXO, doubt cheap chinese version has

05:40:57 mircea_popescu: <ICEbErg> PHGMYUBYUIREYAE YRN B lYaY, ONDLNYAYNBEE X oHREPE NAHRYUER?

05:40:57 mircea_popescu: <Ishamael [eager]> you yourself nahryuer

05:42:16 decimation: yeah http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/NEO-7_ProductSummary_%28GPS.G7-HW-11003%29.pdf "neo 7-N" is the version with TCXO

05:42:21 asciilifeform: us is a true popular democracy : they have no privileged highschool << nope

05:42:24 *: asciilifeform went to one

05:42:37 asciilifeform: (admit by exam. plenty of these here.)

05:43:11 decimation: asciilifeform: generally only in the big cities though

05:43:22 decimation: at least for "public" school

05:43:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well then all is well with the world.

05:43:46 mircea_popescu: no true popular democracy exists

05:43:52 mircea_popescu: as predicted by... welll, everyone always.

05:44:53 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tnTUsuvjRU << moldavian highschool.

05:44:54 assbot: Planeta Moldova - Cauzalitate - YouTube

05:45:34 decimation: asciilifeform: the datasheet artfully declines to provide any spec for timing accuracy - long or short term

05:46:10 asciilifeform: decimation: no need for data sheet here. there's a reason people build atomic clocks (plural) instead of having just one built and listening to it via radio.

05:46:53 decimation: yeah, but if you are going to build a module purporting to provide timing it would be nice to provide typical allan variance at various intervals, etc

05:47:29 asciilifeform: 'Вопрос читал?' << 'have you read the question?' =~ 'бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК?' << bnopnya grunted in?

05:47:34 mircea_popescu: decimation: mircea_popescu: minor nitpick - I don't think USG employees get dental actually << generally no, but afaik nsa folk do.

05:48:11 asciilifeform: dental << at any good 'rupture farms' like mine, they have dental

05:48:29 mircea_popescu: so there.

05:48:40 asciilifeform: ;;google rupture farms

05:48:41 gribble: RuptureFarms 1029 - Oddworld Wiki - Wikia: http://oddworld.wikia.com/wiki/RuptureFarms_1029; Abe's Oddysee - This Is Rupture Farms (Intro FMV) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSNylchzdCg; Oddworld Abe's Oddysee Rupture Farms Intro PS1 - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRoyc2LKRg

05:48:53 mircea_popescu: As the protests in Ferguson, Missouri over police fatally shooting 19-year-old Mike Brown have raged through the past several nights, more than a few people have noticed how relatively quiet Facebook news feeds have been on the matter. While #Ferguson is a trending hashtag, Zeynep Tufekci pointed out at Medium that news about the violence was, as best, slow to percolate through her own feed, despite people posting libe

05:48:53 mircea_popescu: rally about it.

05:48:59 cazalla: ;;seen kyrio

05:48:59 gribble: I have not seen kyrio.

05:49:12 mircea_popescu: now let's wonder why exactly is the usg dept of facebook able to spend 20bn on some random purchase of a valueless firm

05:49:36 cazalla: anyone know kyrio (left me -10) because of something to do with danielpbarron

05:49:58 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust kyrio

05:49:59 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kyrio!~suck@awesome.and.cute.little.tiny.babyturtlesarecool.com. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kyrio: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=kyrio | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kyrio | Rated since: Mon Feb 3 23:38:33 2014

05:50:39 mircea_popescu: Scammed my buddy...**BUYER/SELLER BEWARE**

05:50:42 mircea_popescu: apparently some scammor.

05:52:55 *: asciilifeform as 9 y.o. boy, tried in vain to buy a flat battery in usa, 'what is this pisshole'

05:53:46 mircea_popescu: ;;rate kyrio -3 does not understand how the wot works or what it's for.

05:53:48 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -3 for user kyrio has been recorded.

05:53:54 mircea_popescu: should more or less fix the problem.

05:54:07 RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of - mp - Thanks for the referral; what more could a guy ask? think I'm gonna be a dork like pete & throw that up on my website.

05:54:22 RagnarDanneskjol: I actually have a history with those guys and would be derelict in my b-a duties if I didn't raise a cautionary flag… THey hired one of my best devs to adapt a python arb model… Payment commitments to said dev got a little squirrely. Also, I volunteered my own time to fix their website, redid all the html, css, wrote most of their content and they kind of blew it off without even a

05:54:22 RagnarDanneskjol: thank you.

05:54:25 mircea_popescu: you got a website ?

05:54:32 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea

05:54:36 mircea_popescu: and which guys are these.

05:55:03 RagnarDanneskjol: the ones who asked about dev support earlier today

05:55:07 RagnarDanneskjol: They reestablished contact today once they put Ragnar & me together, want to retain me again, sent a job order. So, I am withholding final judgement pending a come-to-jesus conversation we're scheduled to have tomorrow so I can get to the bottom of what transpired.

05:55:14 asciilifeform: why rust is a problem for iron but not aluminum say << rust is actually electrochemical phenonemon. so not a problem for this experiment (after - is different question)

05:55:22 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vDXTKzYz58

05:55:22 assbot: Communist Russia Party Dance SWAGGA! (DARUDE - SANDSTORM) - YouTube

05:55:25 mircea_popescu: now you do it.

05:55:29 mircea_popescu: (or make gf do it :D)

05:55:46 RagnarDanneskjol: ha

05:55:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i realised as i was typing that the connection is actually not as close as i'd have liked.

05:56:24 mircea_popescu: then i wondered how to fix, and then i realised that well... no way really, best wait to be taken to task for my business insider treatment of science.

05:56:43 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FS1bxaGTg << this is the reason we like ukraina btw.

05:56:43 assbot: Ukraine Got Talent - The world's best pole dancer - Anastasia Sokolova - YouTube

05:57:44 RagnarDanneskjol: wow

05:58:10 asciilifeform: submarine rough ride << float a tethered photovoltaic array. problem solved.

05:59:19 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol and you should see twelve year olds.

05:59:35 mircea_popescu: no butt, no heavy thigs, can walk on that thing.

05:59:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00070709 = 17.3237 BTC [+] {2}

06:00:22 asciilifeform: his tendency to plead to nonsense is why i dislike curtis << 'wannabee' polymaths are doomed to 'plead nonsense'

06:00:23 RagnarDanneskjol: I am blind mostly, so

06:01:04 asciilifeform: no living thing underwater was ever pierced by a tootphick << ever see a fish explode?

06:01:09 mircea_popescu: (something liek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxN_13eGPg0 )

06:01:09 assbot: Daniela Silivas 1988 Olympics AA Floor - YouTube

06:01:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only if brought up.

06:01:21 asciilifeform: aye

06:01:27 asciilifeform: the equivalent of us falling down.

06:02:26 mircea_popescu: notrly.

06:02:35 mircea_popescu: there's no magical gravity of water surface.,

06:02:48 asciilifeform: no - but there's buoyancy.

06:02:53 mircea_popescu: not to the degree.

06:03:08 mircea_popescu: no fish got ever splatted by distance sqaured.

06:03:16 asciilifeform: right.

06:05:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2014#800899 << that's a particularly juicy one decimation

06:05:12 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

06:05:19 mircea_popescu: think of it. could not find decent rng to make keys

06:05:21 mircea_popescu: for months, this.

06:05:40 mircea_popescu: i mean, i kept mpex online for a few days more than the consensus'd have expectd or called reasonable on occasion.

06:05:49 mircea_popescu: there's some difference here.

06:05:54 asciilifeform: could not find decent rng to make keys << different story here.

06:06:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.0007071 = 6.8942 BTC [+]

06:06:03 mircea_popescu: hm ?

06:06:08 asciilifeform: it is generally known that in nsa-lande, only nsa is permitted to generate keys

06:06:19 asciilifeform: they are flown, by courier, to the field.

06:06:26 asciilifeform: in briefcases.

06:06:37 asciilifeform: with signatures, forms in triplicate.

06:07:19 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: because? << specify what are you trying to accomplish. impossible to explain what's wrong with any given methodology to resolve an undefined problem.

06:07:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.

06:07:26 asciilifeform: this was the inspiration for my 'country of which nothing is known but the name' piece.

06:07:35 mircea_popescu: this is sane.

06:07:46 mircea_popescu: but this was not the problem.

06:08:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.286 = 0.858 BTC [+] {3}

06:08:41 asciilifeform: clearly they had a small problem assembling the priests, finding a suitable goat (or virgin - or both) to sacrifice on schedule, etc.

06:08:53 mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform is still waiting for the first leak from the u.s. dept. of wherever-the-stoolie-reports-from-btc-exchanges go. << there was recently a dump of everyone-on-coinbase, for instance.

06:09:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem wasn't they couldn

06:09:15 mircea_popescu: t find a briefcase, or paper for forms, or a currier or gas for the plane.

06:09:20 mircea_popescu: the problem was they couldn't ok the keys.

06:09:52 asciilifeform: why the briefcase didn't parachute down on time, is not told in the tale

06:09:54 *: asciilifeform wasn't there

06:10:17 mircea_popescu: master in charge of saying "this key is ok to be used in production" refused to say so.

06:10:28 asciilifeform: or was on a bender

06:10:37 mircea_popescu: bureaucrats looked at cost to fix problem vs try and get rid of him, miscalculated. tried the latter.

06:10:39 mircea_popescu: the effort failed.

06:10:42 mircea_popescu: this pissed master off.

06:11:04 mircea_popescu: cue successive list of idiotic, bureaucratic "attempts" to "in good faith" "make progress towards fixing going forward"

06:11:09 mircea_popescu: cue string of obscenities.

06:11:11 mircea_popescu: etc.

06:11:28 mircea_popescu: once one actually promotes cold callers and phone marketeers to govt positions, there are bound to be problems.

06:12:24 asciilifeform: he expects no impact to the satellite?s planned design life of 14 years.... he says. ?We put enough fuel onboard to pretty much fire those thrusters continuously. << 'folks who won't do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense' (j. mccarthy)

06:12:32 mircea_popescu: lol

06:12:33 asciilifeform: who, precisely, he expects to fool ?

06:13:58 mircea_popescu: well... people who don't do arithmetic ?

06:14:15 asciilifeform: student exercise: assume xenon, etc. fuel for ion engine, stored at 300 atm. say, 1g/sec expenditure. calculate size of tank that holds 14 yrs. worth of thrust.

06:14:57 mircea_popescu: ;;google xenon atomic mass

06:14:58 gribble: Chemical Elements.com - Xenon (Xe): http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/xe.html; Xenon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon; #54 - Xenon - Xe: http://www.hobart.k12.in.us/ksms/PeriodicTable/xenon.htm

06:15:45 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3600 * 24 * 365 * 14 / 1000 / 54 / 300

06:15:45 gribble: 27.2533333333

06:15:52 mircea_popescu: 27 1/4 cubic meters ?

06:16:14 asciilifeform: now, what was the volume of the machine.

06:16:30 RagnarDanneskjol: isnt the thrust energy needed to calculate this?

06:16:32 mircea_popescu: well definitely no satelite the size of the washington monument was ever put in space.

06:16:39 asciilifeform: qed.

06:16:40 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol no cause he gave me 1g/s

06:16:46 RagnarDanneskjol: oh duh

06:16:51 asciilifeform: ^ a piddling minimum

06:17:22 asciilifeform: afaik the world record holder was the american 'keyhole' series of machine - size of a bus.

06:18:09 mircea_popescu: for shits and giggles :

06:18:19 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 57.38 * 6 * 3.13

06:18:19 gribble: 1077.5964

06:18:59 mircea_popescu: that's a german uboat. so like... a satellite about halfway between a bycicle and a nazi uboat.

06:20:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was this put in orbit with the use of the russian's rockets or arianne ?

06:20:55 asciilifeform: titan

06:22:19 mircea_popescu: the 3b did what, 3tons ?

06:23:21 asciilifeform: ~20

06:23:26 asciilifeform: (if i recall)

06:24:07 mircea_popescu: well if the satellite was nothing but a pressurized xenon container, it may have somehow squeezed in.

06:24:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3b - 3 tons (pediwikia) - aha.

06:24:33 mircea_popescu: maybe general whatshisname speaks the truth

06:24:35 asciilifeform: 4 - 20 tons.

06:25:06 mircea_popescu: wait. i see here leo 20 tons.

06:25:20 mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me someone put a 27 cubic meter thing in low earth orbit ?

06:25:28 mircea_popescu: what is it, a parade float ?

06:25:49 asciilifeform: 'keyhole' is more famous as 'hubble telescope' (that one got turned upside-down.)

06:26:43 mircea_popescu: what was hubble, like 11tons ?

06:27:07 asciilifeform: approx.

06:27:15 asciilifeform: (as per public specs)

06:28:19 mircea_popescu: Vexual: roundup resistant ganja? i think someones trolling << think more, roundup resistant coke.

06:28:34 mircea_popescu: the whole of the production control stragety in columbia is to helispray

06:28:43 mircea_popescu: if that goes away, the current usg-friendly columbia govt goes away.

06:29:10 asciilifeform: so they'll spray 'agent orange' - or napalm

06:29:32 mircea_popescu: yeah. right.,

06:29:45 mircea_popescu: because if you give iraquis a ton of m16s they're not going to raid your embassy with them

06:30:03 mircea_popescu: so you have to evacuate the whole shebang like crazed rabbits, and do a shit job of cleanup in the process

06:30:18 mircea_popescu: so people all over the intel community can laugh at you for yet another week, for yet another reason.

06:30:24 mircea_popescu: totally great idea, give columbia napalm.

06:30:32 asciilifeform: 'give' as in drop.

06:30:56 mircea_popescu: what, from the 27 cubic meter satellitarian tanks ?

06:30:59 asciilifeform: lol

06:31:08 mircea_popescu: shit's heavy mate.

06:31:15 asciilifeform: presumably from aeroplane

06:31:25 mircea_popescu: flown from where, the faulklands ?

06:31:47 mircea_popescu: cuba ?

06:31:53 asciilifeform: florida?

06:32:10 mircea_popescu: oh, canaveral ?

06:32:14 mircea_popescu: SATELLITE NAPALM!

06:33:02 asciilifeform: muppet platoon knows from where - not me

06:34:24 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: be moar vigilant with teh monies << the problem with that article, as with all "studies" of its ilk, is that it makes the (generally reasonable, now not) herbi mistake, as detailed here : http://fraudsters.com/2014/no-argument/

06:34:26 assbot: No argument pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:34:26 asciilifeform: point of the 'roundup' thread being, if genetical engineering were presently 'a thing', there's be cocainatious mildew growing in your neighbour's bathtub, and colombia would be exporting llama stockings

06:35:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that kind, the useful kind. merely the current kind, ie, the resistant thing.

06:35:22 asciilifeform: righto

06:35:23 *: RagnarDanneskjol investigating further

06:35:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagine if you could genetically engineer human females

06:35:53 mircea_popescu: not necessarily so they're slut,

06:36:07 mircea_popescu: but so they're infertile and past the age of 16 or so, their breast tissue secretes copious lsd.

06:36:20 mircea_popescu: now that's a woman for a lifetime.

06:36:27 asciilifeform: we're aaalmost there.

06:36:43 mircea_popescu: have her breastfeed the dog, watch it meow.

06:37:37 asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.'

06:37:37 mircea_popescu: Duffer1: my stomach isn't a basketball anymore << poor duff.

06:38:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.08145503 = 0.5702 BTC [+] {2}

06:39:09 mircea_popescu: Duffer1: it was quite painful, and i refused pain meds until the ct scan results came back and the dr said "your appendix is all messed up, we're transfering you to a different hospital, ambulance is en route, take pain meds now" << there is this legendary romanian surgeon who supposedly sutured his own appendix. this may be apocryphal, in any sense i wouldn't try to undergo surgery w/o painkillers, tis nonsense.

06:39:22 *: asciilifeform tried to dig out the paper re: psychoactives spotted in bartholin's gland secretions, fails to turn up - perhaps too sleepy

06:40:03 asciilifeform: leonid ivanovich rogozov.

06:40:34 mircea_popescu: not surprising.

06:40:39 mircea_popescu: cuntjuice can drive one wild.

06:40:52 asciilifeform: rogozov << autoappendectomy, not cuntjuice

06:41:38 asciilifeform: no idea if a fellow from Ro ever pulled a rogozov - but hard to say why not

06:42:19 mircea_popescu: now im starting to suspect it may just be a case of romanians stealing a good story.

06:42:25 asciilifeform: lol

06:42:37 mircea_popescu: as the period sort-of matches.

06:42:39 mircea_popescu: so... yeah.

06:43:43 mircea_popescu: Antibiotics were administered directly into the peritoneal cavity << holy shit fucking soviets.

06:44:05 asciilifeform: 'twas this or fellete his makarov, i imagine.

06:44:43 mircea_popescu: actually peritonitis resolves naturally in about 5ish percent of cases.

06:44:52 asciilifeform: auto-appendektomy - like seppuku but double the work.

06:45:18 mircea_popescu: well no. seppuku aims to open the large liver vein. apendectomy, oppositely, to not open it.

06:46:47 asciilifeform: in historic overviews of seppuku, the thing that always caught my eye was the slow progression from honest full-out gut deposition to the late-meiji (and 20th c. - see herr mishima) token slice followed by 'kaishaku' beheading stroke.

06:47:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/whatever-happened-to-bitcoin-hint-nothing-good-cm381082 (linked earlier) << pure gold. these folks are in 'tilt mode.' <<< let the permanent record reflect why "Julian Close has been a business writer since the first day of the twenty-first century, having written for PRA International and the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping." won't be able to support his fambly la

06:47:45 assbot: Whatever happened to Bitcoin? (Hint: nothing good) - NASDAQ.com

06:47:45 mircea_popescu: ter this decade.

06:48:40 *: asciilifeform hopes to live to see a spammer physically starve to death

06:48:54 *: asciilifeform goes off to bed to dream of this dream

06:49:17 mircea_popescu: speaking of spammer : "You can see closing trades for all Julian's long and short positions and track his long term performance via twitter: @JulianClose_MIC ."

06:49:31 mircea_popescu: now try check out that acct. 100 followers, pixelated user pic...

06:49:41 mircea_popescu: we're supposed to not know what astroturf means or something.

06:51:37 mircea_popescu: http://www.fedsmith.com/2014/02/17/replacing-the-general-schedule-some-facts/ << stuff like this, incidentally, is subtly indicative of the usg failure. inasmuch as grand national-socialist schemes such as the gs are collapsing and being replaced, it's quite clear that in its quest to arrive at that "nobody can grow as much as a potato without asking for permission", the national-socialist government is moving away rat

06:51:38 assbot: Replacing The General Schedule: Some Facts : FedSmith.com

06:51:38 mircea_popescu: her than towards the target.

06:53:04 mircea_popescu: but anyway, check out the lone GS-15 under age 24 in 2013.

06:53:30 mircea_popescu: there were 3 gs-14 under 24 in 1998. fifteen years later, two left, the third was promoted.

06:53:37 mircea_popescu: make a guess : is the third the best or the worst of the group of 3 ?

06:59:15 []bot: Bet created: "BTC >= $2,000 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/

07:00:46 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

07:00:47 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 468.39, Best ask: 474.85, Bid-ask spread: 6.46000, Last trade: 474.87, 24 hour volume: 15994.19071420, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 493.98, 24 hour vwap: 482.673562406

07:00:55 BingoBoingo: %t

07:00:56 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 10k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 169

07:01:46 mircea_popescu: wow sticky price huh.

07:01:49 mircea_popescu: %d

07:01:50 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 197414.53 in 1880 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.49

07:02:17 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you never got around to getting that larger rig involved did you

07:02:20 mircea_popescu: %[

07:02:23 mircea_popescu: %p

07:02:26 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.31 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1466.02 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.82 TH/s

07:04:14 mircea_popescu: here's a funny blast from the past :

07:04:15 mircea_popescu: Aug 11 23:50:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 193432 | Current Difficulty: 2036671.0886933 | Next Difficulty At Block: 193535 | Next Difficulty In: 103 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 40 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2183270.15599682 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.197974583

07:04:31 mircea_popescu: bitcoin difficulty august 2012 was... about hte same as atc difficulty august 2014.

07:08:41 BingoBoingo: lol I was thinking about that when I first rented a rig for ATC, that ~2 or 3 years ago there were times where all of Bitcoin's nethash was less than the rented rig's

07:09:32 BingoBoingo: Back in the days when terrahash was a network "goal" and Petahashes were crazy

07:10:10 mircea_popescu: mhm.

07:10:14 mircea_popescu: i ... remember these days.

07:11:34 BingoBoingo: I remember reading about Bitcoin those days, thinking one of these day's I'll grab a couple graphics cards. I wasn't thinking enough back then.

07:13:17 mircea_popescu: im possibly one of the very few people not regretting not having started mining "earlier"

07:14:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00070262 = 15.809 BTC [-] {3}

07:16:38 BingoBoingo: Oh I don't regret my lack of "mining," I regret thinking food as so valuable and not buying in grotesque quantity.

07:26:37 mircea_popescu: lol

07:26:49 []bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC >= $2,000 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,989.

07:28:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/do-you-work-from-your-home-in-some-tropical-paradise-heres-a-breakfast-idea/

07:29:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 45 @ 0.022 = 0.99 BTC

07:30:43 cazalla: took a moment

07:30:50 cazalla: oh, tits

07:31:18 RagnarDanneskjol: ( . Y . ) :D

07:32:43 BigBitz: Tits are good.

07:33:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00069971 = 23.3353 BTC [-] {3}

07:45:49 mircea_popescu: lol http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/08/20/making-my-eulorian-cake-and-eating-it/

07:45:50 assbot: Making My Eulorian Cake and Eating It in Ossasepia

07:45:55 mircea_popescu: pankkake mebbe add that to the list ?

07:46:14 mircea_popescu: not sure what the policy is there, "blogs by assets ppl" ? or "blogs about btc" ?

07:46:53 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pls to send 1500 atc to 1FUneWXoi6eqC2p1F2rDrEsrApawPa9wCx ty.

07:49:25 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: was this the first popular block explorer http://blockexplorer.com/ ? << popular no, but the first yes.

07:49:25 assbot: Home - Bitcoin Block Explorer

07:50:11 BingoBoingo: %tslb

07:50:12 atcbot: 45 minutes and 37 seconds

07:53:50 mircea_popescu: !up ryguy_`

07:54:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On its way http://atc.blockr.io/zerotx/info/57d8b8d1bcc5aa0485564c1632e4835272c1b43d7219c565d2786bdeef3aad83

07:55:07 mircea_popescu: ty.

07:55:26 ryguy_`: tyty

07:55:56 mircea_popescu: yw. so who're you ?

07:56:13 diana_coman: thanks mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo

07:56:23 BingoBoingo: You're welcome diana_coman

07:56:24 diana_coman: the posts are just for fun, lol

07:56:31 mircea_popescu: l

07:56:40 mircea_popescu: o right, and bitcoin is for serious.

07:56:42 ryguy_`: man of leisure turned wageslave to build a saas for businesses

07:56:44 diana_coman: ahahaha, true

07:56:50 diana_coman: for serious fun :p

07:57:02 mircea_popescu: only seriously funny once someone loses an eye.

07:57:05 ryguy_`: sneak a look at bitcoin stuffs when im taking a break

07:57:12 mircea_popescu: ryguy_` now that's a transition.

07:57:25 ryguy_`: what do you guys think of this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8200912

07:57:26 assbot: Liberum Consilium: a system design for moderated deliberation [pdf] | Hacker News

07:57:43 mircea_popescu: so you love saas so much, platonically, that you;ll abandon your hyperion-freedom to become a mere mortal for its sake ?

07:57:47 ryguy_`: its like an identity, reputation, proposal (legislation, etc) system

07:57:54 mircea_popescu: can it be not a pdf ?

07:58:05 ryguy_`: yaaaaaa i know

07:58:12 mircea_popescu: also, can it quote stuff like the wot, bitcoin assets and so on ?

07:58:14 ryguy_`: you got some command line tools to deal with pdfs ?

07:58:43 mircea_popescu: i deal with pdfs exactly like i deal with the tim swansons of the world. "who asked you anything and what gives you the impression you have something to answer with."

07:58:55 ryguy_`: yeah i stumbled into it like 4 years ago still trying to shepard it to passive income land

07:59:21 ryguy_`: needless to say i was unaware of btc, just getting my head back on my shoulders concering 2008 crash and what it really meant, etc

07:59:40 ryguy_`: plus the powers that cant maintain their quo are making things real obvious right now

08:00:03 mircea_popescu: helpful isn';t it.

08:00:07 ryguy_`: anyway, yeah i'd rather be in a south american city screwing with btc but i got commitments like whats his face from the shining

08:00:20 mircea_popescu: the irony of the situation is that with enemies like these, btc really doesn't need any friends.

08:00:37 ryguy_`: are you talking about me or the link i pasted

08:00:51 ryguy_`: or a third

08:00:52 mircea_popescu: neither. " the powers that cant maintain their quo"

08:00:59 ryguy_`: ahhhhh yeah haha

08:01:17 ryguy_`: i love how some of the garbage intel agencies have the squid over the globe imagery

08:01:30 mircea_popescu: amusingly, i think this was discussed.

08:01:32 ryguy_`: so i wanted to make a blog called painful squid and highlight all the retarded shit they've been doing

08:01:33 mircea_popescu: !s octopus

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08:01:41 ryguy_`: like

08:01:49 mircea_popescu: not a bad idea. especially if you can get some wistleblown material.

08:02:02 ryguy_`: germany resending their request for the gold from the fed

08:02:07 mircea_popescu: like, a "terrible company" clone for usg, especially the intel stuff...

08:02:07 ryguy_`: its kind of a hyped up, superficial situation

08:02:18 ryguy_`: but it definitely falls in line with the saving of face thats being attempted

08:02:20 mircea_popescu: TSA, Terrible Spy Agency blog.

08:02:28 mircea_popescu: let people vent and rage about how much their employer suck

08:02:31 mircea_popescu: how clueless management i

08:02:36 mircea_popescu: how they don't do anything useful and so on

08:02:44 ryguy_`: yeah i'd love to get quality info

08:02:54 ryguy_`: put it up on a tor service or whatnot

08:03:17 mircea_popescu: just use a htmlform pgp drop and a published key.

08:03:18 ryguy_`: string together some openbsd boxes or grsec boxes and give it a go from afar in a 3rd world country

08:03:31 ryguy_`: i dont trust the circlejerk psyops and stuff going on now though

08:03:36 ryguy_`: spys spying on spys spying on spys

08:03:49 mircea_popescu: anyone can send you w/e the shit they feel like. afaik that's how cryptome work

08:03:50 mircea_popescu: s

08:03:59 ryguy_`: cryptome says wikileaks was a intel agency job and assange is in the embassy collecting leaks on behalf of god knows who

08:04:23 mircea_popescu: i think they just randomly publish anything.

08:04:25 ryguy_`: rather let this thing fall to pieces and get in afterwards on the infowar stuff

08:04:33 ryguy_`: yeah

08:05:21 ryguy_`: well just in general, you got these other news papers with their leak drop boxes. im sure plenty of them are run by handled individuals. feel sorry for the unsavvy leaker at the moment

08:05:43 ryguy_`: and snowden too, what a mindfuck. is it just a cia hit on the nsa for the budget ? who knows, who cares

08:06:13 ryguy_`: btc is more productive than leaks because idont have what it takes to not get doxxed

08:06:19 ryguy_`: for me

08:06:31 mircea_popescu: works.

08:06:52 ryguy_`: i do want a seat on your exchange, though

08:07:24 mircea_popescu: well the good news is that they're still available.

08:07:25 ryguy_`: but im writing 'all work and no play makes ryguy_` a dull boy' over and over so when im done with that i need to get my gpg keys in wot and all that

08:07:41 ryguy_`: i thought it was infinite seats

08:07:46 mircea_popescu: indeed.

08:07:51 ryguy_`: nice man

08:07:55 ryguy_`: math always saves me

08:08:58 ryguy_`: cant wait until the slaves (sheep) ((our friends and family)) want a transparent ledger equities market

08:09:23 ryguy_`: instead of the sigma 6 circus we got now

08:09:55 mircea_popescu: nobody ever wanted that except for bona fide merchants

08:10:04 mircea_popescu: the same types that push for 0% taxation.

08:10:17 mircea_popescu: in fact, a good quality nyse is less likely than no tax.

08:10:39 ryguy_`: oh yeah

08:11:42 ryguy_`: you are preaching to the choir

08:12:10 ryguy_`: im over the system and how it works and stuck on trying to help decently smart people understand whats going on

08:12:10 mircea_popescu: it's what i do best!

08:12:20 ryguy_`: i always give them an out with

08:12:28 ryguy_`: "the FED might have been the best option we had at the time"

08:12:34 ryguy_`: knowing that isnt true

08:13:51 mircea_popescu: well in the sense stalin was the best option at the time, and hitler too.

08:13:54 BingoBoingo: Well, the Fed was the best weapon for defeating the soviet union while turning into a worse soviet union

08:14:16 ryguy_`: yeah

08:14:20 ryguy_`: im over the geopolitics too

08:14:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/08/20/making-my-eulorian-cake-and-eating-it/

08:14:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/08/16/boxy-and-his-leaky-bottle/

08:14:41 ryguy_`: zebig brezenski ruined it for me

08:14:56 ryguy_`: as a kid i thought being a 'statesman' was a respectable thing

08:15:01 ryguy_`: now a days im thinking

08:15:17 ryguy_`: this asshole is running things with the kagans

08:15:31 ryguy_`: its fun watching putin deflect like bruce lee with a hand behind his back

08:16:36 mircea_popescu: well stateman is a respectable thing. not very many ones good at it left in teh west.

08:17:38 ryguy_`: what kins of things do you guys see blockchain based equities/securities exchanges competing with eachother on in the future

08:18:00 ryguy_`: network effect, standard nyse/nasdaq type shit thats going on now

08:18:03 ryguy_`: (minus the fraud)

08:18:16 ryguy_`: i think any good statesman would be sitting this current round (or incarnation) out

08:18:38 mircea_popescu: prolly so.

08:19:27 ryguy_`: i dont know much about the technicalities by way of how your service connects with btc but

08:19:59 ryguy_`: do you think high frequency trading or polling type strategies would or will be prominent ?

08:20:58 ryguy_`: i just wanna invest and execute trades for clients and ease everyoneeeee into a btc based stock market like warren benjamin graham

08:22:17 ryguy_`: its hard to discern what is or is not related to the fraud, or a byproduct of the fraud going on now a days. Im open to the argument that hft creates liquidity but how much liquidity does a market need, ya know

08:23:38 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:fraudsters.com high speed trading mpex

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08:25:11 BingoBoingo: !up ryguy_`

08:25:17 ryguy_`: oh wow thanks

08:25:31 ryguy_`: ok so yah im _quite_ familiar with bitcoin and things that take place on the blockchain

08:25:40 ryguy_`: and how that would definitely not allow any hft stuff to go down

08:27:46 ryguy_`: anyway. bigtime respectable thing you guys got going on here. especially the trash talking which is just brilliant. and settling with the SEC, wth. i cant even really find any reading on that SEC issue though

08:27:52 mircea_popescu: ryguy_`> do you think high frequency trading or polling type strategies would or will be prominent ? < in a word, no.

08:28:55 mircea_popescu: ryguy_` short version : guy retired his mpex issue. sec desperately wanted to purchase some relevance, so they tied some blown glbse/twitter offering he had with the mpex offering, and pretended like they scored some sort of victory.

08:29:34 mircea_popescu: this is so transparently ridiculous half the bureaucracy is laughing at them, leaving aside wall street and the people not actually involved in the us nuthouse.

08:29:52 mircea_popescu: but hey, working for the govt means you gotta eat the shit you gotta eat.

08:29:54 ryguy_`: i worked at a firm and we had to keep all the records incase the SEC guys showed up

08:31:07 ryguy_`: so this dude just gave back some kind of equity shares in mpex or a listed company like a retired couple gives back a condo timeshare

08:31:22 ryguy_`: he conducted some other transaction and SEC claimed those shares were apart of that other transaction ?

08:31:45 mircea_popescu: mkay, it's like so. guy made a "feedzebirds" thing, which he listed on glbse, which simply imploded.

08:32:14 ryguy_`: yeah

08:32:27 mircea_popescu: guy listed sd on mpex. about a year later, he claimed someone bought it and so it was delisted. mpex shareholders received a negotiated, fair compensation and it was the end of the matter.

08:32:48 mircea_popescu: the sec got a 20k settlement for the former, and is pretending it got a settlement for the pair.

08:33:15 mircea_popescu: this is fine, inasmuch as it has no ill effect and increases the general supply of lulz,

08:33:19 mircea_popescu: which in the end is what backs bitcoin.

08:33:43 ryguy_`: haha

08:34:27 mircea_popescu: point in case.

08:34:39 ryguy_`: hay, man

08:36:48 mircea_popescu: !up guest87345

08:38:03 ryguy_`: i cant wait for title insurance companies to go busto

08:38:28 ryguy_`: and the govt to eat shit - gonna be great

08:39:45 ryguy_`: wish i had your skillset, man. or wish i put the effort in like you did, my dad and his grandfather we're both follower backoffice managers for wallstreet comapnies and growing up i thought financial markets were the most boring shit in the world until 2008 & bitcoin

08:41:15 mircea_popescu: nothing is boring if done well.

08:41:46 ryguy_`: yeah ive been coming around to that more and more at the ripe age of 30

08:42:15 ryguy_`: 18-26 was all deprogramming myself from what i'd been taught, if i knew i was deprogramming it or not

08:46:09 ryguy_`: thank god for the internet - i dont think i'd ever have come around to realize 'fiat = war machine' among all the other things without it or a patient individual to walk me though it

08:46:48 ryguy_`: without the internet, that is. i've been awake for far too long to make sense.

08:46:50 mircea_popescu: well, no game without a good pvp component is ultimately woth playing

08:47:00 mircea_popescu: everything worth doing is a war machine.

08:47:23 ryguy_`: yeah shit is definitely a dualistic world

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08:48:50 ryguy_`: doesnt take long to realize that information really is $$$$ in this day in age from a number of angles

08:49:56 ryguy_`: and not in some faux big data bullshit kind of way

08:52:48 ryguy_`: what a wimper http://feedzebirds.com/

08:52:49 assbot: 403 Forbidden

09:02:10 jurov: i like how * has own entry in stats.bitcoin-assets.com

09:14:36 BingoBoingo: !up ryguy_`

09:34:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4760 @ 0.00069949 = 3.3296 BTC [-]

09:35:40 RagnarDanneskjol: http://hackaday.com/2014/08/19/open-source-gpu-released/

09:35:42 assbot: Open Source GPU Released

09:37:21 kdomanski: !down assbot

09:38:00 mircea_popescu: why so mean

09:38:36 kdomanski: I would be funny if you could do that

09:38:42 kdomanski: *uit

09:38:44 kdomanski: *it

09:38:47 kdomanski: damn beer

09:39:59 punkman: http://docuwiki.net/index.php?title=Wellington_Bomber

09:39:59 assbot: Wellington Bomber - DocuWiki

09:40:54 punkman: pretty impressive

09:41:11 RagnarDanneskjol: wow 23 hrs

09:53:18 punkman: http://www.airpowerworld.info/bombers/damaged-wellington-bomber.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/B-17_Damage_Cologne.jpg

09:59:44 mircea_popescu: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5838333/Shameless-couple-have-sex-on-crowded-beach-in-Magaluf.html win.

09:59:44 assbot: Shameless couple have sex on crowded beach in Magaluf | The Sun |News

10:06:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00070293 = 23.6184 BTC [+]

10:09:03 punkman: mircea_popescu: heh noobs, should have gone to deeper water

10:09:42 mircea_popescu: i suspek a noob is you. they're too deep as it is, seawater is corrosive and in any case a girl goop solvent.

10:13:28 punkman: mircea_popescu: definitely not somethin to do for 40 minutes

10:13:33 mircea_popescu: ikr?

10:13:48 mircea_popescu: actually thinking about this... i suspek the sun may be not telling the truth as it is

10:13:52 punkman: but a quickie while trying to keep afloat, that's pretty fun

10:14:04 mircea_popescu: helps if she has decent buoys.

10:16:21 cazalla: sand in vagina?

10:16:46 mircea_popescu: yeah i don't get this entire do it at the beach thing.

10:16:58 mircea_popescu: i get the do it in public thing, and do it in public to girls you just met thing,

10:17:11 punkman: what's wrong with the beach?

10:17:13 mircea_popescu: but gimme a fucking ottoman for her to faceplant on, a cushion, something.

10:17:33 mircea_popescu: punkman sand. salty water. too hot.

10:17:47 mircea_popescu: ever saw snails fuck on the hot asphalt under the sun ?

10:18:51 cazalla: i did it at the beach with my first gf and it was nothing like the movies

10:18:56 punkman: hah

10:19:15 mircea_popescu: cazalla i did it with a bunch of pron chicks.

10:19:21 mircea_popescu: it... also was nothing like the movies they made.

10:19:36 mircea_popescu: i do not credit the theory this has to be because of me. it must be something else.

10:20:38 punkman: well last time I found some nice flat rocks under shade, worked out pretty good, with the nice sea breeze and all

10:20:50 mircea_popescu: was she on her back or on her knees ?

10:22:13 punkman: there's even more options!

10:22:27 punkman: next time I'm bringing a foam mattress

10:22:42 mircea_popescu: my point being that in the former case her ventral hip bone will rub her skin raw

10:22:48 mircea_popescu: whereas in the latter, knees.

10:24:28 cazalla: rocks sound even worse tbh

10:24:38 punkman: better than sand

10:24:41 mircea_popescu: s/ventral/dorsal but anyway

10:24:45 punkman: http://i.imgur.com/DRRKbHw.jpg

10:24:58 cazalla: slip, gash your hands open on oyster shells or something

10:25:19 mircea_popescu: nice beach/natural port tho

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10:27:24 cazalla: pankkake, is that you?

10:27:36 cazalla: sorry, punkman

10:28:04 cazalla: because that guy looks like he has some a cup titties

10:28:08 mircea_popescu: comments appreciation day : http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ possibly the most re-read comment section on fraudsters.

10:28:10 assbot: A complete theory of economics pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

10:28:17 mircea_popescu: re-read by me i mean. i think it's like the 6th or so time

10:30:29 punkman: cazalla: lol, I see it now

10:30:39 punkman: no that's just another dude

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10:39:44 punkman: btw first time I saw so many cameras at a nudist beach. always thought it a bit of a faux pas

10:41:21 RagnarDanneskjol: think it varies per region

10:41:22 mircea_popescu: twenty years ago it was an outrage.

10:41:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12740 @ 0.00070201 = 8.9436 BTC [-]

10:41:42 mircea_popescu: today, nude people generally expect to be filmed and get depressed if apparently nobody cares.

10:45:28 RagnarDanneskjol: does anyone know the appx current size of ATC's blockchain (in GBs)? I know i could just look @ the blockcount & calculate, can't too late for maths

10:45:57 punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: there's like 3 transactions total, shouldn't be too big

10:46:23 Apocalyptic: RagnarDanneskjol, I have 55 MB

10:46:28 RagnarDanneskjol: I could have sworn I saw more than that, but wow ok

10:46:36 RagnarDanneskjol: nice, thank

10:47:04 mircea_popescu: what gbs ? like 50 mb yteah

10:47:05 pankkake: I have 49M, though my data is a few days late

10:47:18 Apocalyptic: I may have included the wallet size too

10:47:23 mircea_popescu: lol

10:47:36 mircea_popescu: "i may have also included some vacation pics&tits"

10:47:40 Apocalyptic: heh

10:47:59 pankkake: bernankoin is 683M. take that

10:49:04 mircea_popescu: yeah but you got all that 3d printing equipment.

10:49:46 RagnarDanneskjol: pankkake I'm working on another blockexplorer for it, will send you email detailing shortly

10:50:05 pankkake: why me?

10:50:29 RagnarDanneskjol: cause you are the only other one on the git, figured you're the guy

10:50:59 pankkake: for updating the web page you should contact ThickAsThieves

10:51:07 nubbins`: ben_vulpes:<nubbins`> how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait` << from a conversation with a client earlier today: "pot makes you stupid! if my son keeps smoking, i'm going to cut him off." <<< ahh my sides

10:51:11 nubbins`: "i'm going to cut him off"

10:51:31 nubbins`: "it's the recreational drug use that's making him stupid, not hanging off daddy's golden teat"

10:52:36 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> why me? << that's what she said.

10:52:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33922 @ 0.00069703 = 23.6447 BTC [-] {3}

10:52:53 RagnarDanneskjol: ha - pankkake - I don't really care about the webpage, thought you were developing for it - or is it just Thieves?

10:53:20 pankkake: I changed a few values to make it like the coingen settings

10:53:23 mircea_popescu: nobody is really developing for atc. pankkake helped with a bunch of stuff as i think the first guy with a clue to get involved.

10:53:39 RagnarDanneskjol: okee

10:53:46 pankkake: however, as true altcoin developer, I had no idea what I was doing

10:53:57 RagnarDanneskjol: ha

10:53:59 punkman: %d

10:54:01 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 198881.78 in 1878 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.41

10:54:23 punkman: looks like it'll be months before diff change

10:55:16 RagnarDanneskjol: maybe I'm missing something, how are there no txs - thought it was being used for WoL

10:55:23 mircea_popescu: 1880 at 10:02 1878 at 13:54 a dozen or so a day, like five m0onths :D

10:55:39 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol there are a few, just not so many, so it's a common joke.

10:55:43 Apocalyptic: <RagnarDanneskjol> maybe I'm missing something, how are there no txs // there are plenty

10:55:52 RagnarDanneskjol: ok thought so

10:56:08 punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: WoL board moves on each block, not much betting to be done right now

10:56:26 RagnarDanneskjol: i see

10:57:27 mircea_popescu: it actually found 12 blocks in the past ~16 hours, so like 100 days at the current rate.

10:57:52 mircea_popescu: %p

10:57:54 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.06 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1459.91 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.07 TH/s

10:58:07 mircea_popescu: hm. whtf is happening thar tho.

10:58:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, did X-Rob's rig die or something ?

10:58:49 BingoBoingo: It must be down

10:59:37 mircea_popescu: ding ding X-Rob! IMA DOCK YA!

11:00:13 BingoBoingo: http://coinminer.net:19982/static/ << chart

11:00:13 assbot: _-=* CoinMiner Pool *=-_

11:03:42 RagnarDanneskjol: I could be wrong, but something tells me that is a pool issue

11:04:11 RagnarDanneskjol: is ATC the only coin they have active? all other coin pages are non-existent

11:04:52 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol something as in what ?

11:05:15 RagnarDanneskjol: lots of experience fukin with pools

11:06:07 RagnarDanneskjol: and all the other coins pages are not live

11:07:18 RagnarDanneskjol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197906.msg5870328#msg5870328

11:07:19 assbot: [Pool] _-=* CoinMiner Pool *=-_ 42 http://coinminer.net:19991/

11:07:21 BingoBoingo: Well it seems to be reporting 60 GH/s in other hash on the pool

11:07:50 RagnarDanneskjol: I get no datqa received for tht page

11:08:20 BingoBoingo: ?

11:09:04 RagnarDanneskjol: browser says "No data received"

11:10:14 mircea_popescu: odd.

11:12:12 BingoBoingo: I see a page that when you scroll down a bit has this chart https://imgur.com/7bhRyjD

11:12:12 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

11:12:58 RagnarDanneskjol: google coinminer pool - first hit after the forum links straight to ATC pool - all the other coin tabs on top of that page lead me to dead links -I'm almost certain thats the only coin being mined there - unless I'm missing something

11:13:26 RagnarDanneskjol: right I see that too

11:13:56 RagnarDanneskjol: all other coin pools are not there I believe

11:16:23 RagnarDanneskjol: ahh - found something other than ATC - http://coinminer.net:7903/static/

11:16:23 assbot: p2pool

11:16:32 pankkake: I've had issues with that pool

11:17:55 RagnarDanneskjol: p2pools always seem to have issues - what was yours?

11:19:28 pankkake: I was mining but it was rejecting my submissions, or maybe just not registering them. I forgot

11:19:40 RagnarDanneskjol: slow/inconsistent shares are to be expected unless you have 100% uptime

11:20:39 pankkake: yeah, I know

11:21:54 BingoBoingo: It was picked because it seemed to suck least for the purpose here, and getting paid in the coinbase tx makes it easy to verify payments

11:22:40 RagnarDanneskjol: I know more than a few highly competent pool hosts if this one proves unreliable

11:23:25 RagnarDanneskjol: I could almost do it myself, but not quite

11:23:30 BingoBoingo: Well, it's worked so far which is a timeline which stretches back to... this past weekend

11:23:37 RagnarDanneskjol: OH

11:23:54 BingoBoingo: I mean the pool is much older than that

11:24:03 RagnarDanneskjol: I see

11:24:13 BingoBoingo: It's just since ATC stalled out it was the only pool that was responsive to our rented hash

11:24:47 RagnarDanneskjol: gotcha - I'll work on that

11:25:07 BingoBoingo: And the p2pool type paying with the coinbase tx is very desirable, if it were replaced or needed to be replaced, that is a thing I'd like to see

11:25:33 RagnarDanneskjol: sure

11:32:24 BingoBoingo: For now though it seems the simplest explanation is prolly the rig's down

11:32:25 BingoBoingo: Byt X-Rob explained there's some stuff this pool does that isn't optimal... so a replacement wouldn't be horrible down the line

11:32:26 BingoBoingo: X-rob would have to explain what the not-quite optimal stuff is

11:33:24 RagnarDanneskjol: I'd almost bet $ its the pool, but are they not one in the same provider?

11:34:35 RagnarDanneskjol: i could point some hardwarev there myself to test later today

11:38:03 mircea_popescu: !up cardigm

11:38:13 mircea_popescu: <RagnarDanneskjol> I know more than a few highly competent pool hosts if this one proves unreliable << so hook something up

11:38:24 nubbins`: ahahahaha, http://imgur.com/gallery/4vCAr

11:38:25 assbot: Ice Bucket Challenge Gone Wrong - Imgur

11:38:36 nubbins`: amazing how few people understand physics and gravity

11:38:36 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

11:38:52 nubbins`: "maybe if i push this heavy object off a rail, it'll upend itself for some reason"

11:39:04 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that first fucktard... jesus god she's bleeding from the tits

11:39:11 mircea_popescu: quick, a badaid, a pastie ,s omething

11:39:21 mircea_popescu: god forbid the internet sees anon nipple or something, someone may care

11:39:31 mircea_popescu: she'll be turned down for employment and dental insurance.

11:39:35 mircea_popescu: her children will catch the gout.

11:39:35 nubbins`: heh

11:39:43 nubbins`: the best is the third one

11:39:50 nubbins`: where the guy drops a 50lb weight on his daughter's heads

11:39:52 RagnarDanneskjol: I already suggested a few a while back when this discussion first took place. I will gather my list and get it all ready later today

11:40:07 mircea_popescu: cnat even find someone to dump water on her head, figures someone gives a shit about her tits.

11:40:09 nubbins`: ahhh i can't breathe

11:40:34 mircea_popescu: omfg

11:41:05 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.livechains.net/ is first that comes to mind

11:41:06 assbot: LiveChains UK

11:42:32 cazalla: fire challenge is better imo

11:43:03 mircea_popescu: assfucking challenge is best.

11:43:07 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/W2M2s1w

11:43:07 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

11:43:41 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: From ther faq

11:43:41 BingoBoingo: What are Tilera and Arbor

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11:43:42 BingoBoingo: in cumque.

11:44:10 chetty: <mircea_popescu> cnat even find someone to dump water on her head, figures someone gives a shit about her tits.//problem is of course that they do, at least next time she wants a job or smthn

11:44:30 mircea_popescu: in trhat case the problem is them. but srsly...

11:44:41 mircea_popescu: if my job were to screen all applicants for possible interwebs exposure...

11:45:03 chetty: well yeah its their problem but still not gonna get that job ...

11:45:03 mircea_popescu: i can't tell these people apart. unless she starts writing her gpg fingerprint on her boobs nobody can tell her from eve.

11:45:16 mircea_popescu: could you say if this animated gif is this irl girl or not ?

11:46:05 chetty: I am sure there are people that can, the data collection monster knows all (well almost)

11:46:30 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/lLkFmLV.gif << someone explain this ?

11:46:39 mircea_popescu: chetty not out of 200x200 px srsly.

11:46:47 RagnarDanneskjol: BoingoBoingo - they just switched to a new template for their page and clearly are off their game. I and several others have hired them in the past (going back over a year ago) and they deliver pools as described... I think they have p2pool also, but dont see listed

11:47:37 nubbins`: mircea_popescu that's actually not water, but a super-slippery fluid with almost zero friction coefficient

11:47:49 nubbins`: the other two girls have gecko feet

11:47:53 nubbins`: or they're wearing crocs

11:48:34 mircea_popescu: or they're you know, the sort of brainstem limited derps that'd be on facebook.

11:50:32 RagnarDanneskjol: BoingoBoingo - Im gonna call them right now to figure out their status (phone #s on the page)

11:53:40 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, cool

11:54:53 RagnarDanneskjol: talkin - they picked right up

11:54:55 RagnarDanneskjol: wow

12:03:30 RagnarDanneskjol: Ok - I spoke to Mark with his charming british acent -they are a little backlogged, but can deliver pools in 36-48 hours, also offer cloud mining contracts. These guys are fukin pro.. Imma follow up with email to you guys w/ details. Worth giving them a call just to hear what they're up to.

12:03:54 RagnarDanneskjol: they can do p2pool or whatever you need

12:03:56 BingoBoingo: Interesting

12:04:52 RagnarDanneskjol: they came highly recommended from the LA bitcoin regulars - heard of them a year ago and used them myself for a small test pool a ways back

12:06:57 RagnarDanneskjol: once pools are setup, the backend control panel stuff is super simple to manage yourself

12:08:13 BingoBoingo: %p

12:08:18 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.06 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1356.06 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s

12:09:59 BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1

12:13:23 mircea_popescu: http://cynic.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/bitcoin-laws-of-the-universe.jpg

12:13:28 mircea_popescu: not so bad, which one of you is it ?

12:16:15 HeySteve: hi

12:16:38 BingoBoingo: Hi

12:17:24 novusordo: http://guardianlv.com/2014/08/bitcoin-expands-as-stock-price-falls/

12:17:24 assbot: Bitcoin Expands as Stock Price Falls (Update)

12:17:35 HeySteve: mircea_popescu the slogan points to woodwallets.io

12:21:42 HeySteve: novusordo from that link "Coinbase is an international digital wallet" - not truly int'l as nations sanctioned by USG are excluded

12:33:30 punkman: "As Bitcoin expands across the world and their stock price falls to historic lows on Wall Street, crypto-currency remains one that is open to everyone."

12:33:32 punkman: lol

12:36:14 nubbins`: mp, nice graphic

12:36:28 nubbins`: are you sure that's not an egg being fertilized? ;D

12:44:13 mircea_popescu: HeySteve universal is much better than "international"

12:44:26 mircea_popescu: as afaik no nation has yet been recognised by the blockchain, and so...

12:45:12 mircea_popescu: nubbins` well as sure as you can ever be when eggs fertilisation comes into play.

12:45:24 mircea_popescu: novusordo hey there.

12:45:41 nubbins`: !up aspho

12:45:47 nubbins`: !up pleego

12:46:06 mircea_popescu: !up bertani_

12:48:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33710 @ 0.00069723 = 23.5036 BTC [+] {2}

12:49:44 aspho: Oh, thanks nubbins.

13:01:34 BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud

13:01:35 nubbins`: np

13:01:55 The20YearIRCloud: hi

13:08:10 aspho: Been reading the logs for the last long time, before coming here. Learning the variety speak.

13:09:25 mircea_popescu: hows that coming along ?

13:10:37 aspho: Pretty good, still a lot of archives to cover.

13:16:39 nubbins`: !up aspho

13:17:47 assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5

13:18:18 aspho: Thanks nubbins but gotta run, back later tonight.

13:20:27 nubbins`: hahah

13:20:30 nubbins`: lel @ usagi

13:20:37 nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot usagi

13:20:38 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012

13:21:35 kakobrekla: !up usagi

13:21:53 usagi: thanks. I wanted to ask aspho a question heh, but thanks

13:28:36 usagi: So, anyone into Django Reinhardt"?

13:29:47 usagi: Some of his work with Beryl Davis is my favorite

13:32:49 nubbins`: https://myspace.com/shitloadoftits/music/song/jango-purdy-live-1017320-1032704

13:33:16 nubbins`: if only he'd worked with bernard purdy ;(

13:33:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6990 @ 0.00069748 = 4.8754 BTC [+]

13:35:01 usagi: What genre would you call that? sounds a little funky

13:36:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00069553 = 8.2768 BTC [-] {2}

13:36:25 nubbins`: usagi, i think they call it "math rock"

13:36:58 nubbins`: i bought the rights to their first album yesterday :0

13:37:23 nubbins`: these are really early recordings, from before they even had a bass player

13:37:42 nubbins`: https://myspace.com/shitloadoftits/music/song/there-she-was-gone-live-1017322-1032706

13:38:01 usagi: the rights? so your into music then

13:38:06 *: nubbins` nods

13:39:59 novusordo: mircea_popescu hiya

13:42:07 usagi: Most of the music I like is so old the copyright has expired

13:43:16 mircea_popescu: copyright covers performance you ninny. unless you're listening to an amphora capture of original greek choruses, it's covered alright.

13:43:46 usagi: I would imagine thats why he bought the rights

13:44:03 usagi: So for example he could then play the music in a venue that didn't purchase cover song licensing

13:44:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00275952 = 0.5795 BTC [-] {5}

13:44:36 nubbins`: actually, i bought the rights so i could re-release the album

13:45:03 usagi: You must really like these guys hehe

13:45:10 *: nubbins` nods

13:46:55 nubbins`: amazing album from a band that's on the top-five list of every music lover in the city

13:46:55 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

13:47:27 nubbins`: and they broke up two weeks after they released it, so there were only ~25 copies ever bought

13:48:20 mircea_popescu: and yet you look nothing like john cussack

13:49:00 nubbins`: haha

13:49:05 nubbins`: above the collar, sure

13:49:09 usagi: I plan to get into music a lot more once I retire

13:49:21 nubbins`: why wait? and also, i thought we were all retired?

13:49:29 usagi: My job is exhausting.

13:49:39 mircea_popescu: yeah who let the unretired in!

13:49:56 nubbins`: ^

13:50:17 mircea_popescu: this is the internet house of old people AND GIT OFF MA LAWNS

13:50:19 nubbins`: your job is exhausting, so you can't listen to music to unwind? :/

13:50:28 nubbins`: !up aspho

13:50:32 usagi: I mean playing music. I am split between the piano and the guitar

13:50:42 nubbins`: ah

13:50:46 usagi: I really, really like both instruments. I'll probably end up with piano

13:50:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` reminds me of the woman that claimed she can'tr fuck because migraine

13:50:59 mircea_popescu: as if that's not the exact and only cure.

13:51:15 nubbins`: dude, you ever masturbate with a headache? once you cum it's SO MUCH WORSE

13:51:23 mircea_popescu: not for guys

13:51:27 mircea_popescu: real men don't get headaches.

13:51:29 mircea_popescu: no head to ache.

13:52:01 mircea_popescu: (also i dont recall the last time i jacked off)

13:52:03 nubbins`: !up usagi

13:52:22 nubbins`: ;o

13:53:06 nubbins`: fun fact, magic mushrooms are an effective treatment for cluster migraines

13:53:13 mircea_popescu: people ridicule the every sperm is sacred doods, and i can see it

13:53:18 mircea_popescu: but i tell you... seems such a waste.

13:54:08 nubbins`: ah, man and his symbols

13:55:20 mircea_popescu: more like nude practicality. i cant keep up with the girls anyway, why make it worse.

13:57:39 *: nubbins` claps softly

13:58:36 chetty: you havent lived till you have had Coital cephalalgia

13:59:15 nubbins`: hah

13:59:16 mircea_popescu: that, a glass eye and a spastic colon ?

13:59:55 nubbins`: i thought we all had spastic colons?

14:00:11 chetty: is a rare type of severe headache that occurs at the base of the skull before orgasm during sexual activity

14:11:50 nubbins`: hmm, i have a jar of almond butter that's been recalled due to salmonella risk

14:16:47 mod6: oh cool, mpex.co is back

14:33:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00069671 = 10.0326 BTC [+]

14:35:17 pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats

14:35:20 gribble: Current Blocks: 316642 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1885 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26952826341.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.03501

14:36:46 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

14:36:47 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 499.92, Best ask: 501.98, Bid-ask spread: 2.06000, Last trade: 501.99, 24 hour volume: 15603.05805411, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 502.95, 24 hour vwap: 484.781556984

14:36:55 pete_dushenski: o hey 500

14:37:23 BingoBoingo: I'm a bit behind, is 500 rising or crashing?

14:37:49 HeySteve: rising, about $30 in 8 hours

14:39:34 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/501880092407398401

14:39:35 assbot: Important read on randomness and Kolmogorov complexity: http://t.co/7GvlEz0Q6F This is why entropy matters: http://t.co/Gd6urFTU2s

14:49:27 HeySteve: https://www.deckbound.com/invest

14:49:28 assbot: Deckbound -- digital collectible trading card games built on top of the Bitcoin blockchain

14:55:03 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and by too clean i mean the sort that doesn't bareback random whores because "who knows what may happen" << this point has me reflecting. am i scanning the world of business ideas for puuurfect? when non-broken will suffice? well fuck.

14:57:10 pete_dushenski: decimation: heh perhaps I should pick an orthogonal basis << there's always the ol' first_last!

15:00:55 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'homo redditicus' << lulz. let's make this term canonical

15:02:23 pankkake: what's wrong with redditard?

15:02:58 pankkake: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=redditard great description btw

15:02:59 assbot: Urban Dictionary: redditard

15:03:02 pete_dushenski: really, nothing

15:03:34 pete_dushenski: less scientific, less gay jokey

15:03:34 pankkake: "One must always be aware that their fodder for arguments consists of internet memes and attempts at being witty" same goes for twitter, not that you could do anything else there

15:04:18 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the students are asked to simply memorize the book of, e.g, organic reactions. << myeah. tis perfect med skool prep

15:08:14 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: more 'weedout' than prep

15:09:03 pete_dushenski: well 'prep' in the sense that if you can't memorize the bible in latin, med school will rape you

15:09:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00069534 = 7.0925 BTC [-]

15:10:44 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the interesting part of that thread was that, afaik, there isn't anywhere you can go in usa to study 'proper' chemistry

15:10:48 asciilifeform: (other than a library)

15:11:44 pete_dushenski: right. a concept which stretches across much of university

15:12:13 nubbins`: <- CS degree, wrote exactly two working programs as part of my CS curriculum

15:12:24 pete_dushenski: mistaking them for learning institutions is how you end up 29 yo and single

15:12:33 pete_dushenski: and on tinder

15:13:02 nubbins`: is that the app that lets you anonymously tell women you want to cum on their tits?

15:13:05 asciilifeform: nubbins`: we had actual program-writing (os, compiler, busloads of data structure crud, etc.)

15:13:14 nubbins`: asciilifeform jealous :/

15:13:25 asciilifeform: nah 'tinder' should be an app where you sign up to burn on the stake.

15:13:43 nubbins`: hey, this printer stopped mid-page with an out-of-ink warning. i fixed the problem, and it's picking up where it left off.

15:13:49 nubbins`: have never seen this in action before :0

15:15:02 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: tinder is grindr for straight pplz

15:15:23 nubbins`: is grindr that app that lets you anonymously tell men you want to cum on their tits?

15:15:39 pete_dushenski: sorta "hi please to hook up with me based on glamour shots from when i was 5 years younger"

15:15:44 pankkake: tinder isn't anonymous, it requires facebook

15:15:54 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: lol yup

15:16:07 pankkake: and a smartphone

15:16:44 pete_dushenski: now there's a market: anonymous smartphone apps!

15:17:34 mike_c: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol are you working on an ATC block explorer?

15:17:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:18:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 117 @ 0.00600099 = 0.7021 BTC [+]

15:20:18 pete_dushenski: decimation: 'pep rally' << been to a few of these myself. because morale! at least our school had the bestest cheerleaders in the city

15:21:36 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kAXcIlA1MI (unrelated)

15:21:37 assbot: Video Oddities Ep 77 - Chad VanGaalen's Molten Light - YouTube

15:21:56 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu more on the fasting http://contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/#comment-4734

15:21:57 assbot: Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

15:21:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:22:24 pete_dushenski: 17 comments: a record is me

15:23:52 pankkake: https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2014/08/an-interesting-paper-on-calorie-restriction.php (didn't read)

15:23:53 assbot: An Interesting Paper on Calorie Restriction

15:25:15 pete_dushenski: pankkake: we're trying to tease apart the research on calorie restriction and that on fasting, but still interesting

15:26:08 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: at the time in question, you literally could not go on a date if you sucked in school. << sounds like some kind of miracle land compared to the anti-intellectual "i are sportsstar" culture here

15:30:43 nubbins`: asciilifeform, i'm a huge chad vangaalen fan

15:31:20 nubbins`: why's the audio so shit on this version?

15:31:48 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLw5b70OJH8

15:31:48 assbot: Chad VanGaalen - Molten Light (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube

15:32:46 assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5

15:32:59 asciilifeform: !up usagi

15:33:03 usagi: For me, one of the most interesting features of a water fast is that your body will cut down on it's extraneous muscle mass as well as body fat. I will have to try it one of these days

15:33:14 usagi: When I read that it gave me a number of ideas

15:33:46 nubbins`: "extraneous muscle mass"

15:33:48 usagi: I mean it sounds obvious, but actually, the way in which the body goes about reducing it's muscle mass is something which is fascinating to me

15:34:26 asciilifeform: kurt godel was a master of 'caloric restriction'

15:35:00 nubbins`: asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZWfE2dPFSo

15:35:00 assbot: Shave My Pussy - Chad VanGaalen - YouTube

15:36:21 usagi: Well nubbins when I say that I mean certain things about opposing muscle tension

15:36:38 usagi: It's some random sports medicine stuff I am studying

15:40:07 *: nubbins` feigns interest

15:40:14 nubbins`: oh, no way? cool

15:40:56 usagi: Yea it has to do with your body overcompensating for keeping it's balance (for example) by adding extra muscle mass to groups of muscles in reciprocal inhibition, mass you don't need and which interferes with your motion

15:41:56 usagi: My theory is if you perform certain kinds of exercises your body will cut out the extraneous muscle mass inhibiting your motion and you will be able to move/respond quicker using less energy. Useful for sports

15:42:59 usagi: I also imagine the restriction would also allow you to increase or reduce the ratio of fast twitch fibres, because theoretically the body wouldn't toss out muscle mass which is being frequently used

15:52:30 thestringpuller: usagi uh, it has more to do with flexibility of ligiments

15:52:50 thestringpuller: nubbins`: we acceot

15:53:04 *: nubbins` scrolls backwards to quote

15:53:14 thestringpuller: accept your offer. can we discuss terms today?

15:53:31 nubbins`: sure, i'm back and forth here for the next hour or so

15:53:48 thestringpuller: lemme see if i can get the designer on the line

15:54:11 nubbins`: how many did ya want, 6 or 12?

15:54:16 nubbins`: or ___?

15:55:20 *: jurov google pep rally

15:59:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 46 @ 0.0127 = 0.5842 BTC [-]

15:59:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 13.25936164 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1153 satoshi per share

16:03:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 28.45581781 BTC to 14`329 shares, 198589 satoshi per share

16:04:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.51099305 BTC to 14`329 shares, 10545 satoshi per share

16:07:44 thestringpuller: nubbins`: desogner is walking to class. so in about 30 minutes he will be here

16:08:14 nubbins`: no sweat

16:08:26 nubbins`: not really much to go over. graphics in vector format, preferably .AI with spot colors

16:08:40 nubbins`: 300dpi+ psd files grudgingly accepted

16:08:48 thestringpuller: LOL

16:11:13 BingoBoingo: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/mya_aaten-white_shooting_victim_from_aug_12_says_police_have_not_interviewed_her.php

16:11:14 assbot: Mya Aaten-White, Ferguson Shooting Victim, Says Police Have Not Interviewed Her | Riverfront Times

16:14:43 TomServo: hey hey hey, shit in StL is too serious - we need to focus on beheaded journalists now.

16:14:53 nubbins`: ^

16:14:59 BingoBoingo: "We want to find out who and what agency took possession of the bullet," he said. "We want to identify who was responsible for firing the weapon that ended up with a bullet being lodged in the front of Mya's head."

16:14:59 BingoBoingo: When we spoke with him several hours later, the story just got weirder.

16:14:59 BingoBoingo: "I've talked to both the St. Louis County Police Department and Ferguson...they have no record...no file number, no report," he said. "They don't have anything."

16:15:09 nubbins`: yeah, don't you dummies realize a white guy was killed the other day?

16:15:44 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: the hospital would have taken note of who took the bullet, no?

16:16:06 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Might be time to break out the aluminum foil

16:16:19 BingoBoingo: Makes pretty wallpaper

16:32:34 pete_dushenski: http://www.nophone.eu

16:32:34 assbot: noPhone. A technology-free alternative to constant hand-to-phone contact.

16:32:59 pete_dushenski: "With a thin, light and completely wireless design, the noPhone acts as a surrogate to any smart mobile device, enabling you to always have a rectangle of smooth, cold plastic to clutch without forgoing any potential engagement with your direct environment. Never again experience the unsettling feeling of flesh on flesh when closing your hand. "

16:33:04 pete_dushenski: lulz

16:33:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 555 @ 0.00119996 = 0.666 BTC [+]

16:34:12 nubbins`: Q: for those of us with metal-and-glass phones, is there an alternative to the classic noPhone? plastic is yucky.

16:34:36 pete_dushenski: that's a premium upgrade

16:34:44 nubbins`: ah

16:36:10 pete_dushenski: as bugs bunny used to say "that's all folks!"

16:43:19 thestringpuller: !up petepolack

16:43:30 thestringpuller: nubbins`: you still there?

16:43:33 thestringpuller: petepolack is the designer

16:53:19 nubbins`: hi

16:53:32 thestringpuller: one second he is getting in WoT

16:53:36 thestringpuller: ;)

16:53:41 thestringpuller: one of us one of us

16:54:59 nubbins`: heh

16:55:35 thestringpuller: kay he needs to get to class

16:55:39 thestringpuller: he will log in when he gets there

16:55:46 thestringpuller: be back in 10

16:56:31 nubbins`: i'm outta time, maybe we can reconnect tomorrow

16:56:43 nubbins`: unless he has specific questions for me, there's not a lot to discuss anyway

16:58:05 thestringpuller: okay can we email you gpg encrypted AI file and then go from there?

16:58:15 thestringpuller: then you can send us gpg signed invoice in BTC?

16:58:23 thestringpuller: We want 6 shirts

16:58:24 thestringpuller: 1 color

16:58:25 thestringpuller: black

16:58:32 thestringpuller: and white ink

16:58:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.29841998 = 2.9842 BTC [+] {2}

16:58:50 nubbins`: sure

16:59:14 thestringpuller: kay we'll talk to you tomorrow then and get everything paid for

16:59:17 nubbins`: gotta admit you've piqued my curiosity as to why you'd gpg encrypt graphics

16:59:17 thestringpuller: I'll pay entirety up front

16:59:26 thestringpuller: *shrug* paranoia

16:59:33 nubbins`: i'm not printing hatespeech on a shirt for you ;p

16:59:38 thestringpuller: oh no

16:59:42 nubbins`: heh

16:59:46 thestringpuller: i guess we just don't want the image to "leak"

16:59:47 thestringpuller: ?

16:59:55 thestringpuller: only you should be recipient

17:00:03 nubbins`: pm'd you email address for graphics

17:00:04 thestringpuller: "intended recipient" blah blah

17:00:09 thestringpuller: kay

17:00:16 nubbins`: grab my key from the wot

17:00:22 thestringpuller: yea!

17:00:27 thestringpuller: cool well talk to you tomorrow then

17:00:32 nubbins`: k, peace

17:02:28 thestringpuller: !up petepolack

17:07:53 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/FlBSBcO.gif

17:08:11 nubbins`: STOP RESISTING ARREST

17:09:05 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: The pool died, it switched to my backup pool, and then didn't switch back automatically when the pool got better.

17:09:07 mike_c: ;;calc 3056 * 0.0001

17:09:08 gribble: 0.3056

17:09:15 X-Rob: Have fixed it, hopefully it won't do it again. Sorry.

17:10:06 mike_c: my computer is retarded. 3056 / 10000 = 0.3056, but 3056 * 0.0001 = 0.30560000000004

17:10:32 thestringpuller: petepolack: okay now we register

17:10:34 thestringpuller: ;;eregister

17:10:35 gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase (1 more message)

17:10:50 thestringpuller: soo ;;eregister petepolack YOURKEYID

17:11:30 petepolack: (eregister petepolack D4ECFBB385737831)

17:11:36 petepolack: :(

17:12:03 fluffypony: petepolack: /msg gribble ;;eregister petepolack D4ECFBB385737831

17:12:11 thestringpuller: Everyone is so helpful

17:12:13 thestringpuller: thanks fluffypony !

17:12:34 petepolack: alright thanks, got it

17:12:49 BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Well, we're looking into maybe getting a new p2pool set up for this coin given how shit this one seems to be, so news on that might be incoming.

17:14:52 X-Rob: BingoBoingo: how about I set up a pool?

17:15:39 BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Uh, sure.

17:15:57 X-Rob: BingoBoingo: I'll do it this weekend.

17:16:17 BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Can you do the p2pool type thing that gets people paid in the coinbase?

17:16:19 thestringpuller: X-Rob: sell me coins!!!!

17:16:20 thestringpuller: lol

17:16:21 thestringpuller: jkjk

17:16:22 petepolack: thestringpuller: it worked

17:16:26 petepolack: damn

17:18:32 kakobrekla: wasnt it /msg kakobrekla <privatekey>

17:18:44 kakobrekla: pretty sure it was.

17:33:27 punkman: mike_c: my computer is retarded. 3056 / 10000 = 0.3056, but 3056 * 0.0001 = 0.30560000000004 << javascript?

17:33:34 mike_c: python

17:34:55 jurov: use Decimal for such

17:36:39 jurov: for example ghci says the same.. it's standard floating point stuff

17:37:18 jurov: whereas >>> Decimal(3056)*Decimal('0.0001')

17:37:20 jurov: Decimal('0.3056')

17:37:45 punkman: I did my bitbet app without decimals, didn't notice a problem

17:39:11 jurov: that's cause buttcoins were designed to round cleanly after simple computation with doubles

17:39:32 jurov: if you did bitcoinica-liek stuff, that'd be a problem

17:44:38 ben_vulpes: holy logs

17:44:44 ben_vulpes: i'm 1100 lines behind

17:49:08 mike_c: jurov: yeah, I use decimal's pretty liberally. this calculation wasn't coin related.

17:50:21 punkman: oh I see now, it worked because I didn't use my (satoshi / 100000000.0) results in further calculations

18:01:01 mike_c: i also use a curiously large number of extraneous apostrophes.

18:01:41 mike_c: anyhoo. i get floating point stupidness. just mildly surprised the division & multiplication are different.

18:02:00 mike_c: i thought it had more to do with the result than the inputs.

18:09:21 kakobrekla: just intify errything

18:13:03 mircea_popescu: <mod6> oh cool, mpex.co is back << last week or so

18:14:02 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> well fuck. << there is no such thing as a perfect wife, horse or business idea.

18:14:13 mircea_popescu: wives horses and business ideas are what you make of them.

18:15:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 65 @ 0.0107 = 0.6955 BTC [+]

18:20:39 mircea_popescu: !up Wexel

18:20:41 mircea_popescu: !up Brigadier

18:25:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (other than a library) << "there isn't where t og oin the usa for aspirin other than pharmacy". o woe ?

18:27:27 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: is that the app that lets you anonymously tell women you want to cum on their tits? <<< you know, this is very popular with a large section of the female population, but the woman that wants dribbling by random people she doesn't know is quite rare.

18:27:52 mircea_popescu: it's more like part of cuddling, in the female mind.

18:28:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21453 @ 0.00069092 = 14.8223 BTC [-]

18:29:00 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: decimation: 'pep rally' << been to a few of these myself. because morale! at least our school had the bestest cheerleaders in the city << because they were... immoral ?

18:30:08 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: "extraneous muscle mass" << penis.

18:30:33 BingoBoingo: lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvgEWBDIEAErBVN.jpg

18:31:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see your Shave My Pussy and i raise you a Narcotic.

18:31:42 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JSXCfGWjqA

18:31:42 assbot: Liquido - Narcotic (HD) - YouTube

18:35:27 mircea_popescu: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/mya_aaten-white_shooting_victim_from_aug_12_says_police_have_not_interviewed_her.php << o look at that. us police shoots civillian in the street, goes to hospital, steals bullet, disappears it.

18:35:27 assbot: Mya Aaten-White, Ferguson Shooting Victim, Says Police Have Not Interviewed Her | Riverfront Times

18:35:45 mircea_popescu: this is so romanian revolution it bleeds.

18:36:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's what I'm thinking, well the police stealing their bullet back. I dunno if pale America is ready to take Obama out back yet.

18:37:06 mircea_popescu: what's obama to do with this ?

18:37:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, wasn't that the end of the Romanian revolution?

18:37:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: BingoBoingo: the hospital would have taken note of who took the bullet, no? << well if they didn't, either the police comissioner hangs or they got themselves a police state.

18:37:38 mircea_popescu: either way.

18:37:46 mircea_popescu: guy'd better pray they did take note.

18:38:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes. difference being that they never shot gorbachev.

18:38:11 mircea_popescu: so you know, missouri governor ?

18:39:49 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: that's a premium upgrade << cut glass. 10 bux in any mirror shop.

18:42:47 thestringpuller: penguirker:

18:42:49 thestringpuller: penguirker:

18:42:50 thestringpuller: lol

18:42:53 thestringpuller: oops

18:46:48 mircea_popescu: !up petenineteen

18:46:53 mircea_popescu: petenineteen seriously ?

18:47:52 BingoBoingo: That sounds like a cam girl screen name, except pete

18:48:39 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, a food chain here is called mustachios.

18:48:49 BingoBoingo: lol

18:49:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3215 @ 0.00119007 = 3.8261 BTC [+] {3}

18:49:33 thestringpuller: okay petenineteen

18:49:38 thestringpuller: ;;eregister

18:49:39 gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase (1 more message)

18:49:47 thestringpuller: petenineteen: -^

18:50:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 563 @ 0.00119996 = 0.6756 BTC [+] {2}

18:50:38 mike_c: eregister something_other_than_petenineteen

18:51:03 mircea_popescu: petetwelveandwhatisthis ?

18:51:16 thestringpuller: is petenineteen taken?

18:51:17 thestringpuller: lol

18:51:22 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust petenineteen

18:51:22 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user petenineteen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=petenineteen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=petenineteen | Rated since: never

18:51:25 mike_c: what's the record for most trolling before the guy even opens his mouth?

18:51:35 mircea_popescu: his mom ?

18:53:41 dignork: mircea_popescu: rasing Narcotic to Umlala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reN5vaSADKQ

18:53:41 assbot: Umlala - My Pdf Files (Official Video) - YouTube

18:54:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looks like this is going through October http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mcculloch-grand-jury-to-get-evidence-in-ferguson-case-through/article_a2893384-0bcf-51a9-b479-9c7e9496c6a1.html

18:54:03 assbot: McCulloch: Grand jury to get evidence in Ferguson case through mid-October : News

18:54:26 dignork: *raising

18:56:37 mircea_popescu: dignork ok, i didn't want to do this but you asked for it. prepare to be glassed.

18:56:38 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwhdkJcz-c

18:56:38 assbot: Hot Girl tania and me Pwning Noobs on The Tell-Lie-Vision (ATHENE #22) - YouTube

19:04:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33963 @ 0.00068791 = 23.3635 BTC [-] {2}

19:06:57 thestringpuller: damn mpoe below IPO v3 listing?

19:06:58 thestringpuller: wow

19:07:04 thestringpuller: BUY BUY BUY

19:10:23 mike_c: fiat -> btc -> mpoe = two profits?

19:11:02 BingoBoingo: lol, but whose bank are you going to break on the way there?

19:11:21 mircea_popescu: the two profits of internets.

19:11:49 mircea_popescu: but yea srsly, in the space of six months i went from >1bn to like what, 200mn ?

19:12:01 mircea_popescu: am i like the biggest loser of the summer or what!

19:12:05 dignork: mircea_popescu: the guy is playing a wrong game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC7GGrUdJUI&t=0m25s

19:12:05 assbot: Russian Roulette in Wedding gone Wrong - Roulette Russa a Matrimonio - YouTube

19:12:18 mircea_popescu: dignork srsly. he's such a total dork you could not believe.

19:12:29 mircea_popescu: the chick however, she comes from money, ran for the danish pirate party iirc, got a seat.

19:18:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29879999 = 0.5976 BTC [+]

19:18:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where t og oin the usa for aspirin other than pharmacy". o woe << (practical) chemistry is an experimental science. very 'seat of the pants', like metalwork or any other work with hands.

19:18:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, you can study under the cover of darkness, in a cellar, with black-market materials. but it used to be, you could also study at a university.

19:20:44 dignork: Sad story happened to my friend recently. He lost ~1btc to Chrome toolbar, which replaced deposit btc address on coinbase withdrawal form. Can somebody suggest coinbase to implement gpg-signed orders?

19:20:48 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

19:20:49 empyex: thestringpuller: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=135 Or use a valid MPSIC!

19:20:56 thestringpuller: $depth s.mpoe

19:20:57 empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 33287 @ 0.00068725 12200 @ 0.00068618 350 @ 0.00063000 25000 @ 0.00060000

19:20:58 empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 26998 @ 0.00068872 10271 @ 0.00069092 23339 @ 0.00069415 40110 @ 0.00069671

19:22:54 danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl6DizyZgFY << "Bitcoin is the walk-man, Black coin is the iPad"

19:22:54 assbot: BLACKCOIN - The Music Video - YouTube

19:29:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33487 @ 0.00068724 = 23.0136 BTC [-] {2}

19:33:24 BingoBoingo: !up aspho

19:33:38 BingoBoingo: !up shovel_boss

19:33:38 punkman: dignork, that sucks. maybe if he makes a fuss coinbase will refund that withdrawal

19:33:46 BingoBoingo: Hello assbot shovel_boss

19:35:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00068618 = 8.3714 BTC [-]

19:39:08 TomServo: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/20/berkshirehathaway-settlement-idUSL2N0QQ1LR20140820

19:39:09 assbot: UPDATE 3-U.S. fines Berkshire over stock deal, Buffett admits mistake| Reuters

19:39:55 TomServo: gave Berkshire a reputation as a lender of last resort when financial markets come under strain << Hadn't heard that line before.

19:42:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1500 @ 0.00119997 = 1.8 BTC [+]

19:46:49 BingoBoingo: !Up KRS-1

20:00:15 dignork: punkman: afaik, no, coinbase received order to send to address X, instead of Y, they had now way of detecting it, because it's just http request altered on the client side

20:12:12 mod6: ;;ticker

20:12:13 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 521.98, Best ask: 522.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 521.96, 24 hour volume: 17498.21146377, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 527.01, 24 hour vwap: 494.872496909

20:22:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1919 @ 0.00065107 = 1.2494 BTC [-]

20:25:29 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_a_Fugitive_from_a_Chain_Gang

20:25:29 assbot: I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

20:26:00 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

20:26:01 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 519.49, Best ask: 519.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 519.49, 24 hour volume: 17774.39850899, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 527.01, 24 hour vwap: 495.727614364

20:26:05 ben_vulpes: that floppy btc trampoline

20:26:16 ben_vulpes: 420 min after the etf?

20:27:22 pankkake: ;;ticker --market bcent --currency eur

20:27:23 gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 395.0, Best ask: 400.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.00000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 101.36987742, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 400.0, 24 hour vwap: 373.07105659

20:27:54 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

20:28:00 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 521.0, vol: 17792.87498487 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 510.7, vol: 8252.58738 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 516.02, vol: 28283.81807457 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 546.99, vol: 36.78969469 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 512.568453, vol: 37552.61050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 28.98932003 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 530.52, vol: 101.36987742 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

20:31:13 BingoBoingo: !up napedia

20:31:17 BingoBoingo: !up peterl

20:31:52 peterl: fluffypony here?

20:32:47 peterl: on the topic of Chem in college: At MSU we had three levels of O-chem (which I helped teach), one for nurses, one for premed+scientists, and one for chemists

20:33:20 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plummer_v._State

20:33:20 assbot: Plummer v. State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

20:33:30 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: so what's it like in MO

20:33:30 asciilifeform: peterl: this used to be common, i'm told. but eliminated at most large public unis, afaik, for cost-cutting.

20:33:38 thestringpuller: lootin nearby?

20:33:44 thestringpuller: loot all da stores

20:33:54 *: thestringpuller does not condone or endorse looting and rioting.

20:33:58 peterl: yeah, I guess they need the money to pay the football coaches now

20:34:42 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: last night was a quiet night. After http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/mya_aaten-white_shooting_victim_from_aug_12_says_police_have_not_interviewed_her.php Tonight might be... who knows

20:34:44 assbot: Mya Aaten-White, Ferguson Shooting Victim, Says Police Have Not Interviewed Her | Riverfront Times

20:36:03 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> copyright covers performance you ninny. unless you're listening to an amphora capture of original greek choruses, it's covered alright. << oh, bitcoin recognizes copyright but not patents?

20:36:03 thestringpuller: wow that

20:36:05 thestringpuller: is so fucked

20:36:37 thestringpuller: when can sovereign entities use force if the police are militarized?

20:36:51 thestringpuller: isn't this how revolutions start?

20:37:10 thestringpuller: why can't*

20:37:12 thestringpuller: wow tired

20:38:44 BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney

20:38:49 BingoBoingo: Hello mpmcsweeney

20:39:06 kakobrekla: have a tit http://blog.tastebuds.fm/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/worstalbumcovers01.jpeg

20:39:48 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well...prolly when people start getting naked

21:08:30 BingoBoingo: !up bitcoinhtx

21:08:36 BingoBoingo: !up tych0

21:12:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}

21:24:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 385 @ 0.00375195 = 1.4445 BTC [-] {2}

21:30:38 mike_c: !t h rent

21:30:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00375001 / 0.00432963 / 0.00478000 (959 shares, 4.15211592 BTC), 7D: 0.00360047 / 0.00431174 / 0.00478000 (3125 shares, 13.47419209 BTC), 30D: 0.00305500 / 0.00407779 / 0.00498614 (12095 shares, 49.32086116 BTC)

21:48:08 jurov: !s haskoin

21:48:09 assbot: 0 results for 'haskoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=haskoin

21:52:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.01159351 = 0.6724 BTC [-] {3}

21:54:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2e1tx0/while_youre_busy_pumping_his_book_andreas/

21:54:32 assbot: While you're busy pumping his book, Andreas Antonopoulos, the "security officer" at blockchain.info still has not fixed a critical vulnerability in blockchain.info that was reported to them and acknowledged a month ago. : Bitcoin

21:54:59 BigBitz: Hah. Andreas.

21:55:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00064563 = 0.6456 BTC [-]

21:55:47 BingoBoingo: We analyzed this bug and found that it if exploited, an attacker can cause a wallet to show incorrect balances. However, an attacker must spend bitcoin to do so.

21:55:48 BingoBoingo: My gosh, are you guys totally unaware that hundreds or thousands of services use your API to may check balances and provide services on top of it? What the hell are you guys doing. This guy is reporting a vulnerability for free and you act ignorant. Do you want somebody to exploit such vulns without reporting and blockchain ending up like emptygox?

21:56:56 pete_dushenski: lol when mp kills someone, he really kills 'em, eh?

21:59:11 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/reddit-nixes-new-subreddit-advertising-high-end-counterfeit-us-dollars/

21:59:12 assbot: reddit nixes new subreddit advertising high-end counterfeit US dollars | Ars Technica

21:59:54 BigBitz: nixes. excellent word.

22:00:54 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/Yowan/status/458265746410602496

22:00:55 assbot: Such a great logical argument: http://t.co/MCE1tOIzuD

22:15:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.012599 = 0.5292 BTC [+] {2}

22:44:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16031 @ 0.00063902 = 10.2441 BTC [-]

22:44:37 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

22:44:38 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063902 / 0.00069727 / 0.00070723 (632210 shares, 440.82 BTC), 7D: 0.00063902 / 0.00071569 / 0.0007468 (3821663 shares, 2,735.13 BTC), 30D: 0.00063902 / 0.00079496 / 0.00094217 (16714154 shares, 13,287.20 BTC)

22:45:27 pete_dushenski: it's tough goin out there in bitcoinlandia!

22:46:36 thestringpuller: how so?

22:46:47 thestringpuller: what is bitcoinlandia?

22:47:04 pete_dushenski: lol this whole thing is bitcoinlandia

22:47:29 pete_dushenski: so btc and mpoe getting cracked on is the "tough goin"

22:47:56 Namworld: Yeah, about that blockchain.info reddit thread... nice link provided in there: https://blockchain.info/address/3M1S3tZVkEJw7zVBtn1Mq8McVyfnNMAuoX

22:47:56 assbot: Bitcoin Address 3M1S3tZVkEJw7zVBtn1Mq8McVyfnNMAuoX

22:48:09 thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/L08FPjx.jpg << lol what?

22:48:31 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well we don't know the full story. there could be large withdrawals going out of MPEx

22:49:18 Namworld: ...

22:49:28 pete_dushenski: lol @ josh

22:49:32 Namworld: ;;next

22:49:32 gribble: See latest update from Onefixt here: https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/

22:49:48 Namworld: what's the next diff command...

22:49:55 thestringpuller: ;;estimate

22:49:56 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 26649333965.9 based on data since last change | 26457879467.4 based on data for last three days

22:50:20 Namworld: Nice going, Josh

22:50:50 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well we don't know the full story. there could be large withdrawals going out of MPEx << as opposed to…?

22:51:51 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: what do you mean? Who knows where the capital is being deployed, why, and how.

22:52:13 thestringpuller: If money is staying in MPEx then it will be deployed somewhere else besides MPOE

22:52:23 thestringpuller: if it is moving out then it's going someplace, God knows what

22:52:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 60 @ 0.0217227 = 1.3034 BTC [-]

22:52:52 pete_dushenski: well there's not a lot of evidence to support the theory that the derps, wol, bbet, or nsa are picking up the slack

22:53:01 pete_dushenski: or x.eur

22:53:40 pete_dushenski: but you're correct in saying that it may be just staying on balance at mpex but off-market

22:54:03 thestringpuller: they aren't picking up the slack

22:54:07 thestringpuller: you can poll trades...

22:54:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.011592 = 0.6955 BTC [-] {3}

22:54:43 pete_dushenski: maybe the coins are being dumped onto bitstamp for seekrit skvirels to depress price lol

22:56:26 thestringpuller: or maybe the other assets on mpex will pick up slack at some point

22:56:31 thestringpuller: as they monetize perhaps

22:56:36 thestringpuller: but this price is very low as you probably know

22:56:50 asciilifeform: or mircea_popescu finally bought atomic dirigible.

22:56:53 thestringpuller: I think the private equity buy was for higher price than this

22:57:02 thestringpuller: ;;google atomic dirigible

22:57:02 gribble: GTA V DLC Dirigible ATOMIC | Como Conseguirlo - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFbbgmJRwDc; Como obtener el Dirigible en GTA V The Atomic Blimp - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2BYtak610U; GTA V - DLC Dirigible Atomic con la Reserva - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmgJEf333H0

22:57:21 thestringpuller: you guys playing GTA?

22:57:35 novusordo: or maybe some sweet new exciting mining bond got released on havelock

22:57:52 asciilifeform: http://www.airships.net/wp-content/uploads/soviet-atomic-dirigible1.jpg

22:57:53 thestringpuller: there isn't much overlap between mpex investors and play exchanges

23:00:37 pete_dushenski: novusordo: i had a similar hunch ;)

23:00:58 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: holy sweet mother...

23:01:13 jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwxCLAPKgs BIGGER BOOBS FOR ERRYONE

23:01:14 assbot: Bigger boobs tutorial- Dominika Myslivcov - YouTube

23:02:29 pete_dushenski: or maybe mp dumped his own stock to buy bigger boobs to go with his raw salmon?

23:03:08 thestringpuller: why don't people make airships anymore...

23:03:36 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: partially - the u.s. monopoly on helium

23:05:07 asciilifeform: (soviet atomic dirigible would've probably flown with H2 from sea water. because cheap and angry.)

23:05:34 pete_dushenski: http://www.helium-corp.com/facts/heliumfound.html

23:05:35 assbot: Where Helium is Found? : Inter-American Corporation Helium Exploration and Production

23:05:38 asciilifeform: hell, from atmospheric vapours. (don't need much to top off the balonettes)

23:05:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42513 @ 0.00064175 = 27.2827 BTC [+] {2}

23:06:19 BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe

23:06:19 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063902 / 0.00069354 / 0.00070723 (656568 shares, 455.36 BTC), 7D: 0.00063902 / 0.00071487 / 0.0007468 (3864176 shares, 2,762.41 BTC), 30D: 0.00063902 / 0.00079457 / 0.00094217 (16756667 shares, 13,314.48 BTC)

23:06:33 ben_vulpes: i remember buying some mpoe last time it was this low

23:06:33 pete_dushenski: mmm angry atomic dirigibles...

23:06:36 ben_vulpes: falling knife, that day.

23:06:44 pete_dushenski: now there's an idea for a comic strip!

23:07:22 BingoBoingo: (soviet atomic dirigible would've probably flown with H2 from sea water. because cheap and angry.) << H2 Airship is probably near the Platonic form of of cheap and angry

23:07:29 asciilifeform: http://www.papercraftsquare.com/pic/command-conquer-kirov-airship-papercraftcommand-conquer-kirov-airship-papercraft.jpg

23:08:42 asciilifeform: http://api.ning.com/files/A*xATsTqGf7gA1dHf5rr4H61g8SHHZ5JqNwx5I1IGjv5-FiTzTM*nJGnss9F-l8bH6R0nTuJqqI2wkvX3-yPR0IIu*tX9AuH/C31ComradeAirship.jpg?width=411&height=600

23:08:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 113 @ 0.0217227 = 2.4547 BTC [-]

23:09:20 pete_dushenski: lol

23:11:03 jurov: maybe silica aerogel filled with h2 could be used someday...it can be expected to not be explosive thanks to its thermal insulative properties

23:11:29 asciilifeform: h2 without o is not explosive.

23:11:46 BingoBoingo: O finds a way

23:12:17 asciilifeform: dirt-cheap semiconductor leak detectors exist today, vs. 100 yrs ago

23:22:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29879999 = 1.1952 BTC [+]

23:22:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00064361 = 3.3468 BTC [+]

23:31:35 mircea_popescu: Namworld lol borkt.

23:32:13 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> http://i.imgur.com/L08FPjx.jpg << lol what? << forum muppets being forum muppets.

23:32:34 mircea_popescu: in the moment they FEEL they're just like you. then later, they're no longer around to eat dirt, and if they are they won't eat the dirt anyway.

23:33:41 mircea_popescu: an infinite supply of such examples is how the idea that normal people aren't entitled and shouldn't be entitled to an opinion came about.

23:35:29 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or mircea_popescu finally bought atomic dirigible. << i've not actually sold any bitcoin, still.

23:36:07 mircea_popescu: i mean sure bits here and there in normal course of business, but that's about all.

23:37:54 mircea_popescu: <jurov> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwxCLAPKgs BIGGER BOOBS FOR ERRYONE << THANKS JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR!

23:37:54 assbot: Bigger boobs tutorial- Dominika Myslivcov - YouTube

23:39:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-09/russia-aims-for-top-spot-in-helium-production-as-u-s-depletes-stockpiles.html ?

23:39:26 assbot: Russia Set to Top Helium Supply as U.S. Sells Reserve - Bloomberg

23:41:18 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> H2 Airship is probably near the Platonic form of of cheap and angry << or in any case, a good rendition of a very large matchstick.

23:41:27 jurov: lol

23:43:07 mircea_popescu: "The U.S. government had a world monopoly on helium and in the mid-1930s refused to sell any to the Zeppelin Co. in Germany, which is why the Hindenburg was filled with highly-flammable hydrogen when it exploded."

23:43:16 mircea_popescu: good to know the us govt is in some way related to every modern atrocity.

23:46:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00064114 = 17.407 BTC [-]

23:48:16 BingoBoingo: !up dooglus

23:49:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mostly remarkable for "Russia, already the largest producer of crude oil and natural gas, is weighing up plans to become the biggest supplier of helium, the inert gas vital for medical scanners, welding tools and rocket fuel, as the U.S. sells reserves from storage."

23:49:10 thestringpuller: that's a name I haven't seen in a good while.

23:49:18 mircea_popescu: they burn helium nao dontchaknow. better than water.

23:51:55 mircea_popescu: !up agamemno123

23:56:00 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

23:56:00 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064114 BTC [-]