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00:00:11 asciilifeform: suggest a source ?

00:00:17 mircea_popescu: ;;google elisabeth de rothschild

00:00:17 asciilifeform: any language

00:00:18 gribble: Élisabeth de Rothschild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth_de_Rothschild; Philippine de Rothschild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_de_Rothschild; Baroness Philippine de Rothschild - obituary - Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11056866/Baroness-Philippine-de- (1 more message)

00:00:28 BingoBoingo: I seriously going to have to work on the no SPV allowed problem. Why should "/bitcoinj:0.12.3/Bitcoin Wallet:4.35-blackberry/" even think it ough to be service by my node

00:00:38 mircea_popescu: ;;google blanka rothschild

00:00:39 gribble: Life After the Holocaust: Blanka Rothschild: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007189; Blanka Rothschild - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_oi.php?MediaId=2845&ModuleId=10007189; Blanka Rothschild - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_oi.php?MediaId=5945

00:00:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato

00:00:51 asciilifeform: but still reminiscent of vasiliy stalin

00:01:08 asciilifeform: (wonder if he got to fuck any rothchilds before 'shot while escape')

00:01:57 asciilifeform: '?lisabeth de Rothschild (n?e de Chambure; a.k.a. Lili; March 9, 1902 - March 23, 1945) was a member by marriage of the wine-making branch of the Rothschild family.'

00:02:01 asciilifeform: any ~proper~ rothchilds ?

00:02:33 mircea_popescu: sigh.

00:02:50 mircea_popescu: the "proper" rothschilds lived in the 17th and 18th century.

00:02:59 mircea_popescu: "any proper kennedys ?!?!?!!"

00:04:08 asciilifeform: i don't ask for the impossible! merely the 'romanov gold standard' of cleansing

00:04:13 mircea_popescu: heh

00:04:32 mircea_popescu: unlike in the case of the romanovs, by the 1940s time had already cleansed this bunch.

00:04:52 mircea_popescu: (but i can bring same argument - hey, any PROPER romanovs the reds shot ?)

00:05:05 mircea_popescu: not like you're gonna try and argue THAT bunch of degenerates were the true namesakes.

00:05:52 asciilifeform: ^ point

00:06:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9561 @ 0.00069302 = 6.626 BTC [+]

00:06:39 asciilifeform: sometimes, one even gets the 'old and new romanovs' in same physical package.

00:06:44 asciilifeform: e.g., hitler 34 vs 45

00:06:54 mircea_popescu: guess so.

00:06:59 mircea_popescu: hitler was a derp throughout tho.

00:07:06 mircea_popescu: a thir dting nobody wants to say

00:07:09 asciilifeform: derp with full battery vs empty

00:07:12 asciilifeform: makes difference

00:07:13 mircea_popescu: lucky derp, at first, yes. but luck runs out.

00:07:22 mircea_popescu: yeah, it does. until it runs out.

00:07:34 mircea_popescu: then you get "the german people have failed and let's blow everything up"

00:07:38 asciilifeform: how else.

00:07:38 mircea_popescu: because we're fucking 14.

00:07:51 asciilifeform: everybody's 14 when their battery runs down.

00:08:03 mircea_popescu: in the casino for the first time, and can only win, because mom had us with saint Winny.

00:08:14 mircea_popescu: no dude. not everyone's 14 when their battery runs down.

00:08:28 mircea_popescu: the even reason you bother selecting people in the first place, is that.

00:09:18 asciilifeform: example ?

00:09:41 mircea_popescu: ;;google fefeleaga

00:09:41 gribble: Fefeleaga. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2015/fefeleaga/; Popasul Fefeleaga - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti30gFW8GiM; Asta-i Romania - Iti aduci aminte de Fefeleaga? Reporterii nostri au ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvysS6zgw1o

00:09:46 mircea_popescu: heh.

00:10:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6289 @ 0.00070503 = 4.4339 BTC [+]

00:10:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am testing out my new just in time examples webservice, built on node.js and ruby on rails!

00:10:21 asciilifeform: l0lz

00:11:37 asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn8r4/nick_szabo_on_twitter_what_happens_when_the << moar from the filipinotron

00:11:39 assbot: Nick Szabo on Twitter: "What happens when the managers and investors ignore the engineers and scientists .. . " : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqi95w )

00:11:57 mircea_popescu: wait wut ?

00:12:04 mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it the managers get the short stick again!

00:12:14 mircea_popescu: what am i, an engineer now ? a scientist ? wtf is this pious fraud bs.

00:12:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa 'manager' is more or less synonymous with 'pointy boss'

00:12:28 mircea_popescu: nevertheless!!!!

00:12:46 asciilifeform: sorta like the word 'programmer' to mircea_popescu is synonymous with mark karpeles

00:12:46 mircea_popescu: in africa doctor is more or less synonymous with shaman, what the fuck light does that throw on any discussion

00:13:19 mircea_popescu: the word programmer, to me, is chiefly synonymous with rms.

00:13:44 asciilifeform: the fella who hasn't programmed since what, '95 ?

00:14:04 mircea_popescu: neither has anyone else.

00:14:10 asciilifeform: and hasn't overseen others program since perhaps '05

00:14:23 mircea_popescu: well we're not talking 2015 rms specifically k ?

00:14:31 asciilifeform: then sure.

00:14:43 mircea_popescu: otherwise what, "bravery to me is X" "oh, you mean pissing ? because X pissed at a certain point in time!"

00:18:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2687 @ 0.00068488 = 1.8403 BTC [-] {2}

00:18:40 asciilifeform: 'Meanwhile in a cattle herd inhabiting an endless plain, the strictures of speech as a regulator of human activity do not exist per se. Argentines do not speak like you and me, Argentines bleat and bark like your sheep and dogs. They appreciate the loudness, the sudden quality, the melodicity, the formal "propriety" of speech much like a parrot judges another parrot's noises. They do not however comprehend, nor do they have an

00:18:41 asciilifeform: y expectation that words string together into anything other than a noisy flow, and in no case does any notion occur to bother them that perhaps words carry the future in any sense.' << where is this ~not~ the case ?

00:18:55 mircea_popescu: rinque> my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries << kick that dem-socialist coolaid srsly.

00:19:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform among people.

00:19:35 asciilifeform: where do i buy a ticket to, to see some ~people~ ?

00:20:04 mircea_popescu: yeah. me too.

00:21:29 mircea_popescu: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/21/legendary-10-warthog-sends-isis-fleeing-even-as-it-faces-pentagon-cuts/ in other news.

00:21:30 assbot: Legendary A-10 'Warthog' sends ISIS fleeing even as it faces Pentagon cuts | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqjklm )

00:21:57 asciilifeform: 'puff the magic dragon'

00:22:14 BingoBoingo: No, that's the AC-130

00:23:59 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, has ever existed a worse failure than the GSh-6-30

00:24:57 mircea_popescu: fucking comedic that thing, should have a surrealist film made about it

00:28:00 asciilifeform: 'The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instr

00:28:00 asciilifeform: ument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200 meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing.' << l0l

00:28:22 *: asciilifeform isn't necessarily buying this wholesale

00:28:32 mircea_popescu: the only people that ever made the airplane tank work were the 60s usians.

00:28:45 asciilifeform: il-2 worked

00:28:51 mircea_popescu: barely.

00:28:54 asciilifeform: well enough.

00:28:58 mircea_popescu: that their deranged successors don't even recognise the marks of this...

00:29:05 mircea_popescu: tell you what asciilifeform, bitcoin works well enough.

00:29:17 asciilifeform: doesntit?

00:30:02 mircea_popescu: myeah.

00:30:08 mircea_popescu: by about an inch.

00:30:24 asciilifeform: like il-2.

00:33:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51653 @ 0.00070113 = 36.2155 BTC [+] {3}

00:34:07 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/562ac2236fcaadfa4772643e97bdfe09/tumblr_nq30unWHdb1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg

00:34:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqkMEx )

00:34:27 BingoBoingo: A-10 is basically flying pogo

00:34:39 trinque: mircea_popescu | texans would prolly ally with the invader if the invader bitchslaped california harsly enough << this is a fair point, and drives home all the rest.

00:34:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do they make chicks with faces any more ?

00:34:48 asciilifeform: or are those a specialty item

00:34:59 mircea_popescu: whadda ya mean ?

00:35:02 trinque: my perspective came from thinking of the country as a singular thing.

00:35:12 trinque: when my own identity is very much involved with the idea that it isn't

00:35:14 trinque: see: Texan

00:35:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-08-2015#1230318 << meant this

00:35:22 assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 04:50:10; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that one practically ~screams~ 'my brain is permanently 12 y.o.'

00:35:31 mircea_popescu: trinque you know, the austro-hungarians had much better call to think of their alcatuire as "a singular thing"

00:35:38 mircea_popescu: it vanished like foam.

00:36:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this latest girl looks dumb to you ?!

00:36:20 *: trinque departs, thanks for the responses.

00:36:33 asciilifeform: not dumb per se - but americanized

00:36:41 asciilifeform: it's a kind of kabuki

00:37:12 asciilifeform: where traces of intelligence, of expression - ground off, like the unnecessary glass in a lens

00:37:13 mircea_popescu: the girls iirc czech, and hm... don't ever visit bohemia then. it's where the small round cro mignon faceship landed

00:37:19 mircea_popescu: well, that and the arctic, at any rate.

00:37:34 asciilifeform: it is also where, i'm told, american pisswater beer was invented.

00:37:58 mircea_popescu: lots of things now the height of fashion in the us were invented by west a-h jewz.

00:38:59 asciilifeform: hey, if eskimos or pygmies had invented it, it would be sop in usa just the same

00:42:32 BingoBoingo: IN other news Corn fields looking markedly worse this week

00:44:48 BingoBoingo: Just lots of stunted, short and prematurely yellow swaths of the stuff.

00:47:55 BingoBoingo: Last week on KMOX Illinois DepAg was talking about a fall of 15% over last year's crop, but shit looks to have started dying really fast

01:01:11 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski

01:02:09 pete_dushenski: heya bb

01:03:30 *: mircea_popescu has found expressions. here you go alfie : http://40.media.tumblr.com/3f0ee5f8d2599756d334bfb82b808e1c/tumblr_nq2z7gOWuC1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg

01:03:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmaiER )

01:04:19 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/scratch/#comment-27007

01:04:20 assbot: Scratch | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmansj )

01:06:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43750 @ 0.00069183 = 30.2676 BTC [-]

01:06:16 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244794 << fish sticks

01:06:16 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 00:37:58; mircea_popescu: lots of things now the height of fashion in the us were invented by west a-h jewz.

01:06:37 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> the excuse of 'if we hadn't raped this chick, somebody else would have' is a nonstarter << orly ? http://fraudsters.com/2013/no-womans-land/#selection-449.68-449.225

01:06:38 assbot: No Woman's Land on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmayDT )

01:08:27 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

01:08:34 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 229.03, vol: 22207.10059825 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 224.665, vol: 12951.48373 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 228.28, vol: 49340.32891638 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 222.23, vol: 12.31153437 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 231.539252, vol: 28568.41500000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 230.68, vol: 234.52257077 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 240.624, vol: 188.77977785 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

01:08:35 BingoBoingo: ;;more

01:08:35 gribble: 228.859421478

01:09:10 pete_dushenski: volume calmed down. slightly.

01:09:20 pete_dushenski: still a joke but w/e

01:09:32 pete_dushenski: even jokes calm down eventually

01:10:48 mircea_popescu: ascii_field> vs the more subtle but destructive 'international law' and financial pyramid << in fairness : this was bismarck's idea, to finance the pre-ww1 eurozone. it HAD to be constantly rolled up in higher and higher schemes, because at all points throughout the past two centuries, bismarck's folly (pay now and the more people coming next will pay you) seemed too big to fail.

01:11:01 asciilifeform: as always, l0l

01:11:29 mircea_popescu: and it'll keep getting rolled if at all possible,

01:11:40 mircea_popescu: because renouncing it still to this day seems too much to ask.

01:13:47 mircea_popescu: trinque> china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat <<< you don't understand how this works. the aircraft carrier is irrelevant. china bet on the winning strat (missile defense) and bet a lot more than the us can afford, and as a result now has unchallangeable area denial ability throughout the shores. this means it can pursue its own, private local

01:13:47 mircea_popescu: policy. which includes japan, indonesia, even australia.

01:14:13 mircea_popescu: this is a political disaster for the us, nothing like the superficial humiliations it has received politically from the likes of putin and practically from the likes of isis

01:14:24 mircea_popescu: because in reaction to this, those countries have, and do, and will reallign.

01:14:51 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell trinque Missouri is probably a better Texas than Texas

01:14:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:14:53 mircea_popescu: now, a graphite baton can survive some cleavage. but a glass baton will shatter.

01:15:46 mircea_popescu: and it would seem the us is all glass. much like hitler's socialist regime, or stalin's socialist regime, the us socialism can not really take defeat well. either they turn it around or they go under, there's no "occupied france" going on.

01:16:17 mircea_popescu: so no, it's not bias. just facts you don't know in contexts you don't grasp.

01:17:00 mircea_popescu: otherwise, i'm about as biased in favour of an empire of china as i'm biased in favour of an empire of grasshoppers.

01:17:39 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> 'military threat', in usg parlance, means 'won't bend over immediately when asked nicely to assume buggery position' << amusingly, this bled from the DoD into the "law enforcement" paramilitary wing.

01:19:29 pete_dushenski: ;;remove 22434

01:19:29 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.

01:20:27 pete_dushenski: ;;remove 22434

01:20:27 gribble: Order 22434 removed.

01:20:43 mircea_popescu: wilbns> Sovereign credit ratings from Moody?s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct << unavoidably. they have been largely ignored ever since the ridiculous failures they displayed a decade or so ago.

01:20:48 asciilifeform: stay awake folks, about to post something kewl

01:21:15 pete_dushenski: now that i slept through a fringe show this afternoon, i'm awake.

01:21:51 pete_dushenski: speaking of said show, the review is another missed shot by scoopbot_revived. that williamdunne...

01:22:00 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/loon/

01:22:01 assbot: Loon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmbTuq )

01:23:52 asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:

01:23:56 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

01:23:57 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html

01:23:58 assbot: [BTC-dev] V Genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmc1Kt )

01:25:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00069075 = 12.5026 BTC [-]

01:25:37 BingoBoingo: Xoas

01:25:53 asciilifeform: ?

01:27:27 asciilifeform: if anyone does not understand why i did this, or, alternatively, believes that this ought to have been done in some other way - please speak.

01:27:43 BingoBoingo: Chaos in the greek root, the 'V'oid

01:28:01 asciilifeform: otherwise, friends, go and verify, and sign the output!

01:28:06 asciilifeform: and post the sig

01:28:18 asciilifeform: if everyone's output is the same, the sigs will be valid!

01:28:30 asciilifeform: when tested against what is produced in this recipe, now or 100 years from now.

01:29:34 asciilifeform: (offtopic: perhaps the single most asinine aspect of gpg signature as-we-have-it is the lack of a clearly delineated space to write ~why~ you are signing something.)

01:29:52 asciilifeform: most folks cram it into the payload, yes.

01:29:56 asciilifeform: but there is not always a place.

01:30:53 mircea_popescu: tye why and the what are not separable.

01:32:03 mircea_popescu: but yes, this is the right thing.

01:33:12 mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: << thanks ascii, will take a look.

01:38:25 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

01:38:28 asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:

01:38:30 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000149.html

01:38:31 assbot: [BTC-dev] V Breath-of-Life ... ( http://bit.ly/1gXXQNL )

01:38:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00069075 = 6.3549 BTC [-]

01:38:52 mod6: asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken?

01:39:24 asciilifeform: mod6: yes.

01:39:26 asciilifeform: apologies.

01:39:38 mod6: np. just checkin.

01:39:46 asciilifeform: re: breath of life: again, the beauty of cruel equations: if your vdiffs are correctly generated, my signatures will verify.

01:39:48 asciilifeform: OTHERWISE NOT.

01:40:26 pete_dushenski: sneaky

01:40:33 asciilifeform: if you read the 'orchestra' post and followed instructions, you have a set that will verify against 'breath of life.'

01:40:38 asciilifeform: that you should have generated yourself.

01:41:10 asciilifeform: with 'breath of life', it is now possible to use 'v'. even though i have not given it to anyone yet...

01:41:17 asciilifeform: can write it yourself. not so hard.

01:42:05 *: BingoBoingo just impressed there exists a versioning system nao

01:42:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo might be anti-impressed when he realizes what it consists of

01:42:25 asciilifeform: ... largely, 'grep'.

01:42:36 asciilifeform: and some recursion.

01:44:30 BingoBoingo: Mebbe we have different definitions of impressed.

01:50:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21441 @ 0.00069073 = 14.8099 BTC [-] {2}

01:51:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10249 @ 0.00068488 = 7.0193 BTC [-]

01:53:18 asciilifeform: incidentally, if you make a mistake in your 'genesis', other vpatches also will fail.

01:53:49 *: BingoBoingo humble enough to assume if something doesn't work that I introduced the problem

01:54:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32747 @ 0.00068488 = 22.4278 BTC [-]

01:58:44 pete_dushenski: "To M. Popescu: I apologize. I was arrogant and wrong and insulting."

01:58:50 pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43598

01:58:52 assbot: The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw2iQE )

02:00:46 pete_dushenski: almost 6 months to the day later. was there a yeshiva in there ?

02:00:54 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ty, I hadn't checked to approve new commenters, so must still have cookie from original comment

02:02:14 BingoBoingo: commented from same ip

02:03:25 mircea_popescu: o.O

02:03:39 mircea_popescu: this can happen ? which internet is this ?

02:04:25 BingoBoingo: An internet between the ROckie Mountains and Pacific ocean

02:04:33 mircea_popescu: as the romanian expression goes, "sa increstam in grinda".

02:04:39 pete_dushenski: internet 0.5.4

02:05:32 pete_dushenski: "Raja Bhatia, Ashley Madison's founding CTO who today consults for the website's team, is not convinced this leak is real. He told investigative journo Brian Krebs this evening that the site does not store credit card numbers. "If there is full credit card data in a dump, it’s not from us, because we don’t even have that," Bhatia added." << vs. internet 3.0

02:05:46 pete_dushenski: "we don't even do that !"

02:05:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17253 @ 0.00068093 = 11.7481 BTC [-]

02:06:44 pete_dushenski: "if someone claims that we provide security and confidentiality, you ~know~ they've got the wrong guys !"

02:06:46 mircea_popescu: concerned ceo told the clueless press "i don't even" in an emotionally charged meeting over tea tonight

02:09:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, notice the word wizardry. "if there is full credit card data in a dump, it?s not from us". whereas the dump clearly and pointedly states "some credit card data".

02:09:40 mircea_popescu: clinton can rest easy, his school of public communication still depends on what is is.

02:13:12 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: unless you're already writing up today's am break, i think i'll take a crack at it for qntra

02:13:26 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Give it a go

02:13:43 pete_dushenski: aite

02:17:23 BingoBoingo: Moar qntra always welcome

02:20:07 hanbot: <mod6> asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken? << i must be dense, where's "bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest"? i don't see it in 1), i don't see it in 3).

02:23:26 mod6: it's in the chicken.tar.gz

02:24:39 mod6: asciilifeform: also, you know, i never did run vdiff.sh before on ubuntu (14.04), but when I was testing vdiff.sh before (few days ago) it was all on gentoo. vdiff.sh worked and still does work good on gentoo... but now I get this error when I run it on Ubuntu: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt

02:24:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw5OdX )

02:24:47 mod6: Has any one else noticed this error?

02:29:14 mircea_popescu: "There's absolutely no difference between Keiser's scamcoin and Gavin's scam coin as far as the network is concerned : while one's a scammer that I humiliatingly defeated in the past whereas the other a scammer that I humiliatingly defeat in the future, this makes no difference for Bitcoin."

02:29:19 mircea_popescu: shiiit i love reading my old stuff.

02:31:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9376 @ 0.0006785 = 6.3616 BTC [-] {2}

02:33:05 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43610

02:33:06 assbot: The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw6iAT )

02:37:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65550 @ 0.00067776 = 44.4272 BTC [-] {3}

02:38:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8408 @ 0.00069384 = 5.8338 BTC [+] {2}

02:41:46 mod6: alright, so I created this script: http://dpaste.com/04DJKKA.txt to produce a vpatch as discussed in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html : Here is the diff of the vdiff my script produced v. the one included with asciilifeform's email: http://dpaste.com/1ACSMBC.txt

02:41:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7c0j )

02:41:48 assbot: [BTC-dev] V Genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmc1Kt )

02:41:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7cgF )

02:42:28 mod6: The hashes look like the match -- mainly. asciilifeform, can you confirm that this is correct or incorrect?

02:47:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.000696 = 43.3608 BTC [+] {4}

02:48:26 mod6: hanbot: so yeah, chicken.tar.gz isn't linked in the 'V Genesis' email. But it can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/chicken.tar.gz

02:48:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7ZON )

02:48:41 mod6: (contains the mainifest you are looking for)

02:48:58 hanbot: thx mod6, grabbed it

02:49:07 mod6: good deal.

02:49:26 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/0XSGB0B.txt

02:49:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw86d8 )

02:52:29 mircea_popescu: http://www.capital.ro/exclusiv-topul-oraselor-cu-cele-mai-accesibile-locuinte-din-romania.html << romanian real estate if anyone's curious

02:52:30 assbot: EXCLUSIV Topul orașelor cu cele mai accesibile locuinţe din România ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw8yrK )

02:54:19 mircea_popescu: 20-30k euro / 50mp aka 4-600 usd/sqft.

02:59:11 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: CLean up that submission, stop inserting style="text-align: left; stuff

03:00:07 pete_dushenski: dude, it makes no difference

03:00:29 pete_dushenski: i had it on 'justify' like i do on all contravex, then i remembered that qntra is 'left'

03:00:51 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm cleaning it up, but can't be inserting extra style. Breaks the consisten qntra look.

03:01:03 pete_dushenski: ?

03:01:16 pete_dushenski: dude, qntra is 'left' by default

03:01:41 pete_dushenski: these qntra editors and their trolling ;/

03:02:18 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But not justified. Many sane browsers don't support justified text syle

03:02:21 BingoBoingo: *style

03:07:27 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: u so raja

03:08:17 BingoBoingo: Really the "style" attribute inside tags has no reason to be used ever

03:09:59 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Also in you anchor tags, what is with this "target" business?

03:11:06 scoopbot_revived: Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation http://qntra.net/2015/08/ashley-madison-and-established-men-experience-data-liberation/

03:11:11 pete_dushenski: i'll be sure to omit those next time, my apologies bb

03:11:58 mod6: <p">Any data not signed ...

03:12:46 pete_dushenski: hm ya...

03:13:04 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm just giving you shit, but ...

03:13:04 pete_dushenski: i b0rked this formatting job

03:13:08 BingoBoingo: mod6: fixed

03:13:13 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No I did

03:14:09 BingoBoingo: It's just if you are marking up text for display... WHy butcher the whole thing with superfluous attributes?

03:14:54 asciilifeform: http://www.futurologyalert.com/2015/08/nasa-has-been-granted-200000-year-for.html << 'spreading works!!11'

03:14:55 assbot: Futurology alert: NASA has been granted $200,000 a year for a project that recycles human poop into man-made food. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwbftf )

03:15:31 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244909 << yes. and if anyone really wants me to gpg-sign this 'yes', i will

03:15:31 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:20:07; hanbot: <mod6> asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken? << i must be dense, where's "bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest"? i don't see it in 1), i don't see it in 3).

03:15:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244925 << if you have a copy of gpg, verify with that

03:15:53 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:42:28; mod6: The hashes look like the match -- mainly. asciilifeform, can you confirm that this is correct or incorrect?

03:15:56 asciilifeform: that was the intent

03:16:10 asciilifeform: you should get same thing i did, possibly excepting the timestamps

03:16:28 asciilifeform: (i'm for abolishing those, on account of their profound uselessness...)

03:16:50 asciilifeform: at any rate, diff it with mine, nothing but timestamps must differ.

03:17:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244934 << neato, a small flat costs like a car in usa

03:17:30 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:52:29; mircea_popescu: http://www.capital.ro/exclusiv-topul-oraselor-cu-cele-mai-accesibile-locuinte-din-romania.html << romanian real estate if anyone's curious

03:17:35 mod6: it look to me that the hashes match. but they're not all in the same order for som reason.

03:17:39 mod6: *some

03:17:51 asciilifeform: mod6: interesting. sort, compare.

03:18:03 asciilifeform: srsly there is no end to the retardation of linux

03:18:11 mod6: yeah, i'll go through it closer tomorrow see if I can work it out.

03:18:36 mod6: true. no idea why that awk command seems to honk on ubuntu.

03:18:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244911 << oh for fuck's sake

03:18:36 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:24:39; mod6: asciilifeform: also, you know, i never did run vdiff.sh before on ubuntu (14.04), but when I was testing vdiff.sh before (few days ago) it was all on gentoo. vdiff.sh worked and still does work good on gentoo... but now I get this error when I run it on Ubuntu: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt

03:18:43 asciilifeform: y'know what,

03:18:47 asciilifeform: if you have an ubuntu,

03:18:53 asciilifeform: take it by its reins, lead it out behind the barn,

03:18:54 BingoBoingo: BBC

03:18:58 asciilifeform: and shoot it in the head.

03:19:06 mod6: hahah

03:19:13 asciilifeform: then sell for glue.

03:19:45 asciilifeform: this is from here on my official recommendation re: ubuntu of all versions.

03:20:03 asciilifeform: 'plan9' is more of a linux than ubuntu.

03:20:07 asciilifeform: fuck, qnx is.

03:20:10 mircea_popescu: lol

03:20:32 asciilifeform: i will support plan9 (which, i dare say, is spiffy) long before ubuntu.

03:21:20 BingoBoingo: plan9 is really pretty fly

03:22:51 BingoBoingo: http://morpheus.2f30.org/ << chunks of plan9 running on a linux kernel

03:22:52 assbot: Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYcHs )

03:22:58 asciilifeform: snore.

03:23:04 asciilifeform: gimme all or nothing, i say.

03:23:19 asciilifeform: screw this 'i ran an os in userland on other os because i needed a thesis 111!!111' shit.

03:24:16 BingoBoingo: Problem seems to be they used plan9 userland as a path to saving linux when the linux part could have been flushed

03:25:34 *: BingoBoingo does not know their stimulus for keeping linux of life support, may have been Nvidia...

03:25:40 *: BingoBoingo glares at Eulora

03:27:49 BingoBoingo: !up TheRealJohnGalt

03:28:17 asciilifeform: !s from:TheRealJohnGalt

03:28:18 assbot: 0 results for 'from:TheRealJohnGalt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3ATheRealJohnGalt

03:28:25 asciilifeform: hm?

03:28:47 asciilifeform: kakobrekla?

03:29:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25440 @ 0.00067809 = 17.2506 BTC [-] {3}

03:31:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244949 << surprisingly little discussion in the press re: the fact of there being virtually no actual (vs. perl script) females in the system

03:31:39 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 03:11:06; scoopbot_revived: Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation http://qntra.net/2015/08/ashley-madison-and-established-men-experience-data-liberation/

03:31:59 asciilifeform: perhaps this is sop. if so, one can wonder why the chumpers signed up to begin with

03:32:21 asciilifeform: who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ?

03:32:53 *: asciilifeform spent an unhealthily large chunk of today crawling the dump

03:33:13 asciilifeform: it has, yes, corp. financials

03:33:24 pete_dushenski: http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/

03:33:26 assbot: shitco.in | The Bitcoin XT Trojan ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwckBo )

03:33:26 BingoBoingo: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143999753415770&w=2 << OpenBDSM 5.8 drops early because 20th birthday

03:33:28 assbot: 'openbsd 5.8 pre-orders' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwcj0r )

03:33:42 asciilifeform: and yes, they keep all in 'excel.' because gott mit uns or something

03:35:15 pete_dushenski: "First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine" << lel. this one's for adam_obrien

03:35:22 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: who wrote this ?

03:35:33 pete_dushenski: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn94d/first_mike_tyson_bitcoin_atm_is_launched_sorry/

03:35:35 assbot: First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjXsj )

03:35:42 asciilifeform: no, not that

03:35:46 asciilifeform: the 'xt trojan' piece

03:35:53 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ? << Some locales it is fishing with dynamite

03:36:17 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it is surprisingly sane

03:36:30 BingoBoingo: <assbot> First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjXsj ) << Welcome to the Terror DOme

03:36:31 assbot: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn94d/first_mike_tyson_bitcoin_atm_is_launched_sorry/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjYwt )

03:36:51 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://shitco.in/author/mike1337/ << 'goat'

03:36:52 assbot: shitco.in | Author | goat ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjYfT )

03:37:12 asciilifeform: wasn't 'goat' a sc4mz0r of some description ?

03:37:32 asciilifeform: or is there more than one

03:37:34 pete_dushenski: https://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/ << may be same as this mike ?

03:37:36 assbot: Mike the Crypto Goat | Exploring Internet security, crypto and civil liberties. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkk1s4 )

03:38:06 asciilifeform: at any rate, it is astonishingly factual, at first glance

03:38:09 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Multiple goats

03:38:39 pete_dushenski: the timelines add up. first post on shitco.in on may 4, 2015. last post on wp site on feb 27, 2015

03:39:08 asciilifeform: will be interesting to see what mircea_popescu makes of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245011

03:39:08 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 03:33:24; pete_dushenski: http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/

03:47:36 hanbot: asciilifeform so lemme get something straight here:

03:47:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why surprising ? nobody seriously thought women were in there.

03:47:43 asciilifeform: glaringly, no mention of therealbitcoin

03:47:49 asciilifeform: but all else is a good exposition.

03:48:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chumpers, one might suppose, thought this

03:48:23 asciilifeform: hanbot: hm?

03:48:42 hanbot: "orchestra" supercedes "rotor" which supercedes "stator", and the v versioning system is usable (as-is) for "orchestra" only, correct?

03:49:14 asciilifeform: orchestra consists of precisely the same patches which made it into rel1 and those which are being considered by mod6 and ben_vulpes for inclusion in rel2

03:49:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not reading random expose of random derp hoping to matter. sorry.

03:49:57 asciilifeform: hanbot: in its present condition, it supercedes nothing at all, except for the laborious 'here's where to get all the patches and how they depend on each other' docs

03:50:36 asciilifeform: hanbot: it will, possibly, supercede these if and when ben_vulpes, mod6, et al, agree that my current approach is correct.

03:50:41 pete_dushenski: gnite all!

03:50:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50352 @ 0.00067691 = 34.0838 BTC [-] {4}

03:50:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it has snapshots of choice hearnias, with commentary

03:51:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and a more-or-less accurate (for a non-#b-a denizen) outline of events re: same.

03:51:28 mircea_popescu: good for it. i dun know the author and don't care what he might wish to say one way or the other.

03:52:12 asciilifeform: skip the parts where he talks, then

03:52:24 asciilifeform: (thing is full of screen caps of hearn & gavin and their code, doing their thing.)

03:53:01 hanbot: asciilifeform okay. but supposing i want to try out your versioning system & sign it and all, i -need- the "orchestra" build, do i not?

03:53:02 asciilifeform: anyone who doesn't care for the 'entomology' here - can safely skip whole shebang.

03:53:13 mircea_popescu: they're taken from other people.

03:53:30 asciilifeform: hanbot: you will, yes. but it is not a build, presently. only a set of patches re-created with vdiff and signed - currently by myself only.

03:53:31 mircea_popescu: the thing's basically a usgism, in spirit if not in form.

03:53:38 mircea_popescu: "here's my picture in front of the pyramids"

03:53:40 mircea_popescu: w/.

03:53:42 mircea_popescu: w/e.

03:53:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entomological interest only, yes.

03:53:51 *: asciilifeform brb eating food

03:54:01 mircea_popescu: im not saying you shouldn't read it or anything, but you asked me what i make of it. i don't.

03:54:07 hanbot: asciilifeform oh, i see. thanks!

03:59:34 mircea_popescu: re the ashley madison thing, i believe it chiefly provides the same service faux exchanges etc provide to the click-bound generation. ie, they get to pretend like they're traders, don juans, what not, all from the safety of their own den, and - crucially - without actually doing it.

03:59:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0006759 = 12.9097 BTC [-] {3}

04:00:20 mircea_popescu: the value proposition of ashley madison reads something likle "you too can be ALMOST like one of those dudes that cheats on his wife. except, you won't ever get caught, because... you're not ACTUALLY doing it"

04:00:47 mircea_popescu: which is why the breach is particularly ruinous to them. as seinfeld said, "that's why divorce is so traumatic : you've been impeached, and i wasn't even the president!"

04:01:18 mircea_popescu: there might have been some hookers working the cream off the top, those 1-2% oif males that finally got the nerve together to actually GASP!~1 meet someone after 10 or so years of derping around on the site.

04:01:43 mircea_popescu: on the other hand, given the stolid stupidity of those chicks on camwhores.com or w/e offered bitcoin.... safer bet is "no".

04:02:50 BingoBoingo: Ashley Madison at some point took in serious fiat though. They had prominent TV ads which means either VC suckers or customer suckers

04:03:07 mircea_popescu: vc suckers.

04:03:27 BingoBoingo: Could be both, seems they hooked Tony Blair

04:03:49 mircea_popescu: males are notoriously stupid.

04:04:14 mircea_popescu: the only reason there isn't a cock eating rock somewhere is pure chance. otherwise, if it offered a hole, it'd eat well enough.

04:04:27 BingoBoingo: Of course. I mean Mr. Tusk fucked the shit out of that penguin.

04:04:33 mircea_popescu: lol

04:05:20 BingoBoingo: re:walrus can not reccoment Kevin SMith's 'Tusk' enough, because... [spoiler redacted]

04:06:31 BingoBoingo: Yes plenty of CanadiaMerican retardation, but... actually the five line synopis and punchline may be enough

04:06:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00069422 = 17.8415 BTC [+]

04:08:01 BingoBoingo: Premise it totally improved though by seeing bad thing happen to actor who was the face of OS X for so long

04:11:53 mircea_popescu: "Established Men, a website dedicated to pairing up beautiful young women with successful older men." << - >> http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/

04:11:54 assbot: The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxR3lb )

04:11:57 mircea_popescu: good idea, too bad they failed.

04:14:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im half-amused that the "mainstream media" fails to connect the fetlife story to the ashley madison story.

04:14:51 mircea_popescu: what exactly does "investigative" mean anymore ?

04:15:21 mircea_popescu: buncha derps couldn't find their way out of a nonexistent paper bag, yet wish to have a "profession" and get "salaries". why "? for what ?

04:15:24 mircea_popescu: "they need it!!1"

04:15:26 mircea_popescu: riiite.

04:16:21 asciilifeform: as if it weren't obvious what it means

04:16:36 asciilifeform: the sacramental http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916

04:16:36 assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.

04:17:00 mircea_popescu: im sure it pays the bills.

04:17:03 asciilifeform: that 'unhappen' button, it never seems to wear out.

04:17:15 asciilifeform: always a nice, satisfying -click-zap-

04:20:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98841 @ 0.00070506 = 69.6888 BTC [+] {4}

04:20:30 asciilifeform: l0l, hearnia ssl is back!

04:20:31 asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23#diff-11780fa178b655146cb414161c635219R112

04:20:34 assbot: Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkbXbv )

04:20:44 asciilifeform: hardcoded certs, even.

04:20:52 mircea_popescu: lmao

04:21:03 mircea_popescu: the lolcow that just keeps giving

04:21:12 asciilifeform: whole shebang worth reading, for the patient

04:21:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30351 @ 0.000706 = 21.4278 BTC [+]

04:21:16 asciilifeform: or qntraists

04:21:51 asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23#diff-20ca0fc983bf911ac1076a201d6cd491R4 << ban list, supposedly of 'tor' users, but dynamically updated at all times.

04:21:53 assbot: Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkc0Ea )

04:23:58 asciilifeform: 'Future... ...Design a protocol to let user wallets gain priority by proving ownership of coin age, as they tend to have short lived connections and roam around different IPs, but we still want to serve them ahead of long term idling connections.' << lulzy. hearn would have all nodes run hotwallet to 'prove coin age'

04:25:00 asciilifeform: translated for humans, means 'if you wanna talk, prove you're a leaf node running hearnia. and don't pretend to be infrastructural node, we know who they are already and i don't recall selling you a license'

04:25:59 asciilifeform: 'CIPGroupData... A group of logically related IP addresses. Useful for banning or deprioritising sources of abusive traffic/DoS attacks.' << that would be, presumably, us.

04:26:44 asciilifeform: 'Calculate the priority of the new IP to see if we should drop it immediately (normal) or kick one of the other peers out to make room for it.' -- are you a plebe, or a loyal servant of the crown

04:27:58 mircea_popescu: hahaha

04:28:07 mircea_popescu: "priority" by proving ownership

04:28:13 mircea_popescu: as foretold by alf a year or so ago,

04:28:27 asciilifeform: my arse foretells!

04:28:28 mircea_popescu: back when hearn wasn't even a shitstain on his owner's pants yet.

04:29:01 mircea_popescu: pretty funny to see just what communitard understood of bitcoin lol.

04:29:10 asciilifeform: curl_easy_setopt(curl, CURLOPT_URL, "https://check.torproject.org/exit-addresses");

04:29:14 asciilifeform: for fuxxsake

04:29:18 mircea_popescu: ahahahah

04:29:44 asciilifeform: and, gentlemen, get yer barf buckets,

04:29:46 mircea_popescu: i dunno why all the "bitcoin fork" derpage. this really is solidcoin v2.0

04:29:48 asciilifeform: if (cert == NULL) {

04:29:48 asciilifeform: + // This should never happen.

04:29:48 asciilifeform: + LogPrintf("ipgroups: Could not parse hard-coded cert\n");

04:29:48 asciilifeform: + BIO_free(bio);

04:29:48 asciilifeform: + return CURLE_OK; // Proceed anyway.

04:29:49 asciilifeform: + }

04:29:52 mircea_popescu: same haphazard style.

04:30:14 mircea_popescu: you're prolly not old enough for it, but if yo uare THAT patient, asciilifeform dig up the old solidcoin stuff. it was a goldmine.

04:30:57 asciilifeform: actually iirc i did dig it out

04:31:01 asciilifeform: at mircea_popescu's instigation

04:31:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about.

04:31:34 asciilifeform: and yes, quite reminiscent.

04:31:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the same, oh, it's broken ? no problem pinoy fix!

04:32:13 mircea_popescu: the only cherry missing from this cake is to discover hearn actually outsourced this shit via odesk or some crap.

04:32:40 mircea_popescu: (contrary to his pretense, the man can't actually code / has never actually written anything / etc)

04:32:52 asciilifeform: no reason he couldn't use the conventional gs-9 through 12 or whatnot monkey fleet

04:33:02 mircea_popescu: yes reason.

04:33:08 mircea_popescu: you ever been in a bureaucracy ?

04:33:11 asciilifeform: sure.

04:33:15 mircea_popescu: "fuck you get lost"

04:33:21 mircea_popescu: "but i have deadlines!!!"

04:33:24 mircea_popescu: "fuck your mother too."

04:33:49 asciilifeform: if i had to guess, would guess that they farm it out filipino-style - but internally

04:33:57 asciilifeform: this produces the characteristic schizo flavour

04:33:59 asciilifeform: of the code.

04:34:08 mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be the first time us agent had to provide his own combat boots.

04:36:52 asciilifeform: the question of which monkey in the forest produced a particular stool sample, is perhaps interesting to ~someone~

04:38:20 mircea_popescu: i thought you were on an entomological kick.

04:38:46 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245138 << i dare say that this or similar scenario is unlikely. the 'rent-a-slave' outfits are largely helpless when asked for anything other than wwwtronic proggy

04:38:46 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 04:32:13; mircea_popescu: the only cherry missing from this cake is to discover hearn actually outsourced this shit via odesk or some crap.

04:39:19 mircea_popescu: your snipped above looks wwwtronic enough.

04:39:20 asciilifeform: even elementary cpp appears to be far beyond the abilities of the subscribers.

04:39:29 asciilifeform: but i could be wrong about this.

04:39:44 mircea_popescu: "CURLE_OK" in particular is an abomination upon nomenclature.

04:40:15 asciilifeform: i can offer no logical explanation for ^

04:41:48 mircea_popescu: anyway, another batch of tests returns. the chain as currently seen longest, 370657 tall does in fact verify throughout in all presentations.

04:42:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elaborate ?

04:42:23 mircea_popescu: i've been burning at it for > month by now, but the ~7 different spots that at times seemed dubious carry no significance or import.,

04:42:35 asciilifeform: (what means 'all presentations' ? what bitcoinatron(s) used ?)

04:42:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well you recall how we had a number of locks and dubious forks etc since june ?

04:42:40 asciilifeform: aha?

04:42:47 mircea_popescu: all of mine + all of yours.

04:42:50 asciilifeform: neato.

04:42:58 asciilifeform: consider a post to the ml, even

04:43:15 mircea_popescu: i am, but i don't wish to say exactly what i tested ;/

04:43:15 asciilifeform: (for those mythical ben_vulpess who read only ml but not #b-a)

04:43:18 asciilifeform: l0l

04:43:20 mircea_popescu: my life sucks.

04:44:10 *: asciilifeform sometimes finds himself wondering how much mircea_popescu's apparatus actually differs from therealbitcoin

04:44:44 mircea_popescu: numerously but not significantly. atm i actually regard it more like a legacy disused tool, sort of a reference put aside anyway.

04:45:08 asciilifeform: lulzy, this is how herr handle described nsa 'suite a' ciphers

04:45:08 mircea_popescu: that being teh scant joy in otherwise generously daily distress.

04:46:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.0006972 = 4.3575 BTC [-]

04:50:34 asciilifeform: did mircea_popescu (or anyone else) run a full sync with -verifyall ?

04:50:40 asciilifeform: (on therealbitcoin, naturally)

04:51:19 mircea_popescu: not full, only from my checkpoints.

04:51:25 asciilifeform: ah.

04:51:31 asciilifeform: because afaik no one has yet done this.

04:52:08 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://dpaste.com/1MPBA2K

04:52:10 assbot: dpaste: 1MPBA2K ... ( http://bit.ly/1TUF9fU )

04:52:21 mircea_popescu: hand-spam. because apparently teppy and whoever else are actually worth this now.

04:52:35 asciilifeform: and l0l, in usd no less

04:53:13 mircea_popescu: premium 25 bux.

04:53:20 mircea_popescu: i take it back, my life doens't suck.

04:56:31 mircea_popescu: in other news,

04:56:32 mircea_popescu: Archimedes P Sapitula 270 Summit Ave Jersey City, NJ 07306. Age 42 (Born Jun 1973) (201) 433-1410. Background Check - Available. Record ID: 572584016.

04:56:39 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150819/genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch << seeing 'chicken' all in one file sorta reminds me that the thing is finite and pretty small, and can be grasped. almost.

04:56:40 assbot: Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1TUFsHN )

05:00:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9035 @ 0.00069375 = 6.268 BTC [-] {2}

05:01:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14627 @ 0.000706 = 10.3267 BTC [+]

05:05:47 mod6: <+asciilifeform> because afaik no one has yet done this. << I have 2x completed full sync with -verifyall. And I have further attemps #3 & #4 >300`000 blocks atm.

05:06:33 mircea_popescu: word.

05:16:07 tripleslash: Why the need for full sync --verifyall? What'd I miss?

05:20:22 mircea_popescu: paranoia.

05:31:26 mircea_popescu: !up coldbleed

05:31:37 mircea_popescu: !up Birdman

05:32:05 hanbot: no luck for me v genesis (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html); genesis.sh produces empty vpatch: http://dpaste.com/2KD5AB5

05:32:07 assbot: dpaste: 2KD5AB5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm1C0Y )

05:32:17 Birdman: Hello, im getting the OTP when i ask for voice, but im not sure what to do past that

05:32:37 mircea_popescu: put it in gpg

05:33:23 Birdman: I try to open it, but it says it cant find a program to open with

05:33:58 mircea_popescu: curl http://w.b-a.link/otp/90f89eec52021b96 | gpg

05:33:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm1MFC )

05:34:53 mircea_popescu: hanbot do you have the whole set of antecedents ?

05:36:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00069373 = 13.5277 BTC [-]

05:36:46 hanbot: yeah, but in a different dir, heh. moving, rerunning.

05:37:07 mircea_popescu: :)

05:38:00 Birdman: Coldbleed is someone i had been talking to about the WoT and -assets so i directed him here

05:38:54 punkman: mircea_popescu: curl http://w.b-a.link/otp/90f89eec52021b96 | gpg << I wonder if this can blow up in a spectacular way

05:38:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm1MFC )

05:39:26 mircea_popescu: the possibility seems remote.

05:41:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00069201 = 20.4489 BTC [-]

05:44:24 mod6: hanbot: the basic issue is that this line in asciilifeform's script: vdiff a b > genesis.vpatch

05:44:33 mod6: doesn't match up with the file that comes from the email:

05:44:42 mod6: vdiff_42f0e9ea2da5aefd21d4dace0bcb6bf5dddaad40.sh

05:45:18 punkman: nor does it match genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch

05:45:30 mod6: so i ended up chaging the file name to "vdiff.sh" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch"

05:45:56 punkman: (oh wait, disregard my statement)

05:46:40 mod6: <+mod6> alright, so I created this script: http://dpaste.com/04DJKKA.txt << take a look here for reference

05:46:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7c0j )

05:47:15 mod6: wondering if you end up with the same ubuntu error I get here: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt

05:47:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw5OdX )

05:48:22 mod6: ... then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch" << bah. should read: "./vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch"

05:53:15 punkman: "I wonder what happens when there's a giant flaming mushroom cloud in your neighborhood and no one publishes a word" https://medium.com/@cmphku/chinese-media-and-the-tianjin-disaster-3bd98a6fac44

05:53:17 assbot: Chinese Media and the Tianjin Disaster — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm3tmc )

06:00:04 punkman: "No, we were not hacked. 'Deez Nuts' is the legal name of the candidate and he is polling at 9 percent in NC: http://abc11.com/947054/ "

06:00:06 assbot: Page Not Found | abc11.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjJ6zD )

06:00:06 punkman: lol

06:01:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00069429 = 22.2867 BTC [+] {6}

06:02:54 punkman: http://untappedcities.com/2015/03/30/cities-101-the-mythic-undercover-yellow-taxi-cab-nypd-cop-car/

06:02:56 assbot: Cities 101: The Mythic Undercover Yellow Taxi Cab NYPD Cop Car | Untapped Cities ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm4jzp )

06:04:38 punkman: http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/telecom/662184/

06:04:40 assbot: Bomb scares end SIM registration holiday | Bangkok Post: business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm4r1O )

06:05:07 punkman: you can still buy unregistered SIMs in US, right?

06:08:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.000706 = 9.6369 BTC [+] {2}

06:17:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00067999 = 43.3154 BTC [-] {3}

06:21:00 punkman: https://www.reddit.com/r/adultery/comments/3ebn29/i_single_gay_man_from_saudi_arabia_could_be/

06:21:01 assbot: I (single gay man from Saudi Arabia) Could be Stoned to Death if Ashley Madison Records Are Leaked : adultery ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjKrWY )

06:26:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22431 @ 0.00067991 = 15.2511 BTC [-]

06:38:34 hanbot: <mod6> so i ended up chaging the file name to "vdiff.sh" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch" << picked the renaming bits out of here, worked for me, thanks. did not get the syntax error!

06:40:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00067991 = 33.0436 BTC [-]

07:18:32 thestringpuller: http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/ << whoa this is a great story

07:21:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39325 @ 0.00070381 = 27.6773 BTC [+] {4}

07:21:28 hanbot: hey mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1675NTK

07:21:30 assbot: dpaste: 1675NTK ... ( http://bit.ly/1MF0VAc )

07:26:17 mircea_popescu: bwhahaha.

07:27:11 mircea_popescu: hanbot when do you figure that can be published ?

07:28:19 hanbot: "two weeks"(tm)?

07:28:29 thestringpuller: https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000001416a613602d73bbe5c79170fd8f39d509896b829cf9021e << 2nd block from slush's pool with bip-102 vote

07:29:33 mircea_popescu: actually, let's just do a summary an' leave it at that. ex-wife of ex-respectable bitcointards community member pm's MPOE-PR on forum about how she's been exactly right about X, he stole buncha cash from her, "you got it spot on except for X minor detail" sorta thing.

07:36:49 mircea_popescu: in other news, "Dear customer, We are sorry, Your PayPal account has been limited until we here from you"

07:38:33 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43598 << LOL. If you had a Bitcoin for every time someone eventually told you "You were right"...wait...

07:38:49 mircea_popescu: can always use more bitcoinz.

08:02:51 mircea_popescu: in other news, the new log color thing totally hoses my browser.

08:06:01 mircea_popescu: so now i can't fucking use the log anymore. can i has revert ?

08:06:17 punkman: lol how

08:07:31 punkman: already using racist browser?

08:10:36 mircea_popescu: i has nfi but it hoses even if i purge js

08:10:46 mircea_popescu: i imagine it must badly implement dom-something or the other.

08:10:57 punkman: I don't run js on log and it works fine

08:11:47 mircea_popescu: good for you. i'd expect anyone sane runs fine. but mine chokes ;/

08:12:40 punkman: I just can't see the extra "style="background:#f9f9ec " hosing anything, but who knows

08:14:44 punkman: hmm if you turn color off there are some stray quotes: <p class="chatrows lightgray" ">

08:14:57 mircea_popescu: i don't have the color on.

08:18:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00070774 = 28.5573 BTC [+] {3}

08:23:31 punkman: "The most horrifying moment of my employment at Amazon was the time I was using the toilet and a coworker began talking from the stall next to me. He asked me why I had not responded to his very pressing email. I closed my eyes and pretended this wasn’t happening. What email could be so important that it could not wait five minutes for me to use the bathroom?"

08:23:38 punkman: "He began tapping on the wall between our stalls, asking why I wouldn’t respond, as if inter-stall conversation should be a totally normal, not disgusting means of communication."

08:24:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31432 @ 0.00070901 = 22.2856 BTC [+] {2}

08:27:21 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/v-genesis.txt

08:27:23 assbot: Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGCVcP )

08:27:30 deedbot-: accepted: 1

08:27:38 mircea_popescu: coolness.

08:27:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^

08:32:01 punkman: "You'll have to do s/\n|GPG|/\n/ to recover the vpatch." << why not gpg -d?

08:36:40 mircea_popescu: huh ?

08:45:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43066 @ 0.00070998 = 30.576 BTC [+] {2}

08:47:37 mircea_popescu: incidentally : if gpg had the fucking sense to include MORE information on its information line, we wouldn't have the problem with the dashes.

08:48:00 mircea_popescu: would it be so hard to have Hash: SHA512 Chars:593 ?

08:48:16 mircea_popescu: then it knows it needs to stop after 593 characters rather than look for dashes like a drunk mole.

09:02:17 punkman: the dash escaping GPG does works fine for me. the problem is clearsigning fucks with trailing spaces and whatnot

09:02:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00069321 = 2.9115 BTC [-]

09:03:36 punkman: here's a diff comparing my genesis.vpatch, which I clearsigned then run through "gpg -d", to decoded_genesis.vpatch http://dpaste.com/1BC72A9

09:03:38 assbot: dpaste: 1BC72A9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxeECW )

09:09:35 punkman: and this is a diff comparing asciilifeform's genesis.vpatch to mine: http://dpaste.com/370ZT8P

09:09:37 assbot: dpaste: 370ZT8P ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxfcsH )

09:12:31 punkman: to put it more clearly: If you care about line-endings and whitespace, you can't really clearsign things.

09:18:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45321 @ 0.0007128 = 32.3048 BTC [+] {2}

09:29:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5112 @ 0.00071329 = 3.6463 BTC [+]

09:40:13 punkman: (exercise for students: clearsign a piece of text. append as many trailing spaces/tabs/CRs as you like to the clearsigned text. check if it's still valid. repeat process with detached signature, see what happens)

09:45:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00069307 = 12.2327 BTC [-] {3}

09:54:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00071329 = 10.5567 BTC [+]

09:59:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3845 @ 0.00069284 = 2.664 BTC [-]

10:29:09 kakobrekla: o hey, we have a second derp block

10:34:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146655 @ 0.00068249 = 100.0906 BTC [-]

10:37:32 jurov: <stick`> slushpool runs both Core and XT

10:37:53 jurov: <stick`> miners themselves choose port to connect

10:38:53 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244822 <<< they already took all the minerals, what more do they want ?!

10:38:53 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 01:13:47; mircea_popescu: policy. which includes japan, indonesia, even australia.

10:41:35 cazalla: tbh, chinese are not quite finished down under.. they want to destroy primo agricultural land with the .au gov blessing because hey, natives can always order in chinese food instead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenhua_Watermark_coal_mine

10:41:35 assbot: Shenhua Watermark coal mine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmtsKs )

10:43:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85800 @ 0.00069496 = 59.6276 BTC [+] {3}

11:00:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00067991 = 7.445 BTC [-] {2}

11:05:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32777 @ 0.00067986 = 22.2838 BTC [-] {3}

11:10:26 jurov: ;;later tell davout rly, need help with teh bot?

11:10:27 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:14:28 jurov: !mpif

11:14:30 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021525 B (Total: 427.66 B). Delta: 0.11 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

11:15:47 jurov: !t m f.mpif

11:15:47 assbot: Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?

11:16:21 jurov: !t m s.nsa

11:16:21 assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.

11:16:53 jurov: !t m s.mpoe`

11:16:53 assbot: These beans is shit.

11:16:57 jurov: !t m s.mpoe

11:16:57 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067583 / 0.0006979 / 0.0007397 (2677308 shares, 1,868.51 BTC), 7D: 0.000591 / 0.00070008 / 0.0007991 (14116527 shares, 9,882.81 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00057924 / 0.0007991 (83031265 shares, 48,095.84 BTC)

11:41:24 cazalla: http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/20/young-australians-increasingly-jobless-unmarried-and-living-at-home reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEgxS_vzQjU and with that, night night

11:41:25 assbot: Young Australians increasingly jobless, unmarried and living at home | Australia news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxreSD )

11:41:26 assbot: your dad 2 ten things millenials can do with college degrees - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxrfGl )

11:44:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.00068019 = 24.5208 BTC [+]

11:49:10 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245290 << and that's why btc-dev uses clearsigned text only for descriptions

11:49:10 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 09:12:31; punkman: to put it more clearly: If you care about line-endings and whitespace, you can't really clearsign things.

11:54:06 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245281 << there's PGP/MIME (RFC2015, RFC3156) that allows to add such headers easily

11:54:06 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 08:47:37; mircea_popescu: incidentally : if gpg had the fucking sense to include MORE information on its information line, we wouldn't have the problem with the dashes.

11:54:46 jurov: but it's hopelessly complicated and no afaik one even tried do send PGP/MIME message to mailing list

11:55:47 jurov: except me to test it, then I threw my hands in disgust when i could not easily troubleshoot why it fails to verify

11:56:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13225 @ 0.00068019 = 8.9955 BTC [+]

12:05:32 jurov: interesting how my brunch, coffee and b-a time so often falls into time where channel is silent

12:11:08 chetty: its a big world jurov, many time zones

12:14:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64350 @ 0.00068019 = 43.7702 BTC [+]

12:28:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11275 @ 0.00068019 = 7.6691 BTC [+]

12:33:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.0007104 = 15.7354 BTC [+] {3}

12:55:58 jurov: "interstall communication" hahahaha

12:57:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00068451 = 33.8832 BTC [-] {5}

12:59:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7536 @ 0.00071219 = 5.3671 BTC [+] {2}

13:00:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26364 @ 0.00071337 = 18.8073 BTC [+] {3}

13:10:50 punkman: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33994483

13:10:51 assbot: Nazi gold train 'found in Poland' - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzEA5p )

13:12:20 asciilifeform: jurov: fwiw, i'm awake

13:13:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245265 << mine sputters, and barely runs, but loads. at first glance, whatever kakobrekla did to the log has doubled memory footprint

13:13:32 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 08:11:47; mircea_popescu: good for you. i'd expect anyone sane runs fine. but mine chokes ;/

13:13:49 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can has old log? plz ?

13:16:47 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245242 << can't wait for the 'i am usg stoolie and will be stoned to death if $leak is leaked'

13:16:47 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 06:21:01; assbot: I (single gay man from Saudi Arabia) Could be Stoned to Death if Ashley Madison Records Are Leaked : adultery ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjKrWY )

13:17:59 kakobrekla: hrm

13:18:01 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245244 << well yes, i wrote that 'it must be in your path' - which presumes that you chmod-ed it to +x, or why would you have put it in your path!

13:18:01 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 06:38:34; hanbot: <mod6> so i ended up chaging the file name to "vdiff.sh" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch" << picked the renaming bits out of here, worked for me, thanks. did not get the syntax error!

13:18:32 *: kakobrekla noticed logs loading slow since a week or so ago, but i havent changed a thing to cause that

13:18:42 kakobrekla: so wtf

13:18:47 punkman: kakobrekla: broken html

13:18:48 asciilifeform: not only ~loading~ slowly

13:19:11 asciilifeform: even clicking a link, in a number of browsers, is ultra-grindy

13:19:18 punkman: doesn't seem slower in my firefox though

13:19:22 kakobrekla: ok

13:19:30 kakobrekla: will take a look

13:19:42 punkman: stray quotes where you add the color style

13:20:14 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about. << Gavin's eariler marketing campaign made this autumn the latest they could do this.

13:20:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc, yes, 'megablox in 2016 or bust'

13:22:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245195 << neato! this is worth writing up as ml post, imho

13:22:53 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 05:05:47; mod6: <+asciilifeform> because afaik no one has yet done this. << I have 2x completed full sync with -verifyall. And I have further attemps #3 & #4 >300`000 blocks atm.

13:25:38 kakobrekla: punkman> stray quotes where you add the color style < fixed but still slow neh ?

13:27:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245238 << this is considerably more difficult than in most of the world. afaik you're stuck with industrial suppliers (who cater to electric meter firms, and similar)

13:27:49 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 06:05:07; punkman: you can still buy unregistered SIMs in US, right?

13:29:08 asciilifeform: ... or cannibalism. (where? e.g., 'amazon kindle' device includes a 3g modem, with 'eternal' subscription, which can theoretically be removed and uncrippled)

13:31:25 punkman: no such things here, you have to present ID. but not like it's hard to send a hobo to buy a few SIMs.

13:31:51 asciilifeform: wire your t3rr0r1st4 thermonuke to a RTL-SDR listening on a silent and unused frequency, which you then transmit the codez on. 'n0body could have predicted!1111!!!!111'

13:31:55 punkman: or even buy from a different country and roam.

13:33:27 asciilifeform: punkman: possibly easier in eu (american sims tend to work nowhere else)

13:34:36 asciilifeform: phun phakt: RTL-SDR can be used to receive pager ('POCSAG') messages. naturally, any and all of them. if you only need to send one message, no need to actually buy a subscription...

13:34:52 asciilifeform: send the magic word to some poor schmuck

13:35:02 asciilifeform: while your nuke receives.

13:35:24 asciilifeform: (pocsag is 100% plaintext)

13:35:55 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245271 << this is not an 'urgent message' but a 'lowering ritual.'

13:35:55 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 08:23:38; punkman: "He began tapping on the wall between our stalls, asking why I wouldn’t respond, as if inter-stall conversation should be a totally normal, not disgusting means of communication."

13:37:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00071456 = 19.7933 BTC [+] {3}

13:37:26 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245284 << yes. see the recent 'out of band' thread

13:37:26 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 09:02:17; punkman: the dash escaping GPG does works fine for me. the problem is clearsigning fucks with trailing spaces and whatnot

13:38:00 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245300 << which was the default?

13:38:00 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 10:37:53; jurov: <stick`> miners themselves choose port to connect

13:38:12 asciilifeform: (i.e. was xt on 8333 ?)

13:40:07 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245324 << ditto 'v.' i'm not ever writing anything that uses anything other than detached sigs in gpg.

13:40:07 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 11:49:10; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245290 << and that's why btc-dev uses clearsigned text only for descriptions

13:40:16 asciilifeform: FUCK mutilations.

13:41:23 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245340 << to quote stalin, 'they won't see this gold like they won't see their ears without a mirror.' even if (especially if) it is actually turned up.

13:41:23 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:10:50; punkman: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33994483

13:42:00 asciilifeform: it'll go straight to new york (or at least zurich.)

13:42:42 asciilifeform: or what, the schmucks thought that the reich is dead and the thing has no owner ?

13:42:50 asciilifeform: everything has an owner.

13:53:03 asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov can we have an end to the filename mutilations on turdatron, please ??!@!

13:53:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:57:44 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000150.html << FOR FUCKS SAKE which one of you is 'pub@extemporized' ?

13:57:45 assbot: [BTC-dev] signed genesis.vpatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7B7Xg )

13:57:50 asciilifeform: what's wrong with NAMES ?

13:58:31 asciilifeform: yes, three minutes later i can figure out that it was punkman

13:58:35 asciilifeform: but can archaeologists ?

13:58:46 asciilifeform: can we agree to use something like human names in pgp keys perhaps ?

13:58:59 asciilifeform: like i do, or mircea, or pretty much everyone ?

14:00:14 *: asciilifeform pissed that he spent ten minutes sawing apart what he thought was a diddled signature purporting to be from mod6

14:00:42 punkman: the key says punkman, I don't see the problem

14:01:01 asciilifeform: mno

14:01:04 asciilifeform: it doesn't.

14:01:11 asciilifeform: not as retrieved by gpg.

14:01:31 asciilifeform: or hm

14:01:34 *: asciilifeform checks again

14:01:49 asciilifeform: punkman: your key does. but the SIGNATURE does not.

14:02:06 asciilifeform: it only gives me a key fingerprint

14:02:19 asciilifeform: which did not match mod6's (who i mistakenly thought was 'extemporized')

14:02:38 punkman: was the sig good at least? :P

14:04:23 asciilifeform: gpg: Signature made Thu Aug 20 05:23:31 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 8B232B13

14:04:23 asciilifeform: gpg: Good signature from "punkman"

14:04:23 asciilifeform: gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!

14:04:23 asciilifeform: gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.

14:04:23 asciilifeform: Primary key fingerprint: F28E 0095 843B 91CB 22E7 D655 3358 8BE0 8B23 2B13

14:08:34 punkman: !up copypaste

14:08:45 copypaste: sup

14:10:12 thestringpuller: funny story.

14:10:55 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu entomological sample, http://www.benzinga.com/news/15/08/5779058/bitcoin-flash-crashed-this-week << approximately a complete collection of ~everything but the actual truth~

14:10:56 assbot: Bitcoin Flash Crashed This Week | Benzinga ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7DAAQ )

14:10:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:11:25 copypaste: LOL

14:11:26 copypaste: This news is delayed. Get access to this information before it is priced into the market with a real-time news feed for only $1.

14:12:00 thestringpuller: At my first job, the devops team took an initiative to not copy paste, because people were copying root passwords into ssh logins. So they have this huge meeting about not copying pasting. And this one guy goes, "But there will always be copypaste"

14:12:04 asciilifeform: whole thing is a lul, worthy of nigerian sp4mz0rz, but apparently represents the official usg party line.

14:12:50 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is reminiscient of the ICBIT MP exposed in 2012

14:12:53 thestringpuller: with smickles

14:13:59 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: aha, mircea_popescu linked to that very same, earlier

14:16:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22218 @ 0.00069359 = 15.4102 BTC [-]

14:17:39 thestringpuller: "The Blockchain is may play a key role in the Music Industry. Revelator builds software that allows artists and record labels to manage, track and market their music all from one application. The company sees the blockchain as an opportunity to simplify music rights, which remain complicated and difficult to verify, with a new Intellectual Property (IP) management system that will allow artists to register their works on an imm

14:17:55 thestringpuller: ^^^ yes the block chain will solve music piracy!

14:18:05 thestringpuller: linked from asciilifeform 's article

14:18:25 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there is a bottomless pit of those things

14:18:49 asciilifeform: but my dosimeter is maxed out for the day, i won't be eating up any moar

14:22:34 thestringpuller: do·sim·e·ter - noun - a device used to measure an absorbed dose of ionizing radiation.

14:22:40 thestringpuller: good choice of words asciilifeform

14:24:43 asciilifeform: http://www.zdnet.com/article/ubuntu-linux-is-coming-to-the-mainframe << complete with systemd!

14:24:44 assbot: ​Ubuntu Linux is coming to IBM mainframes | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7GiXg )

14:25:02 asciilifeform: turns out mircea_popescu was right. let's all fly on the first systemd-avionics plane!

14:25:27 asciilifeform: also zdnet is a terrific pile of shit, which breaks not only back button on graphical browser, but the url bar

14:25:38 asciilifeform: and makes it damn near impossible to link to an individual piece

14:25:41 asciilifeform: is this by design?

14:25:45 asciilifeform: or by retardation

14:26:24 mike_c: "He also agreed to pay federal authorities another $50,000 so that they wouldn't seize vehicles he used as part of his illegal activities."

14:26:53 mike_c: so, Jared drives to the prostitute, gets busted, and has to pay the feds not to seize the car he drove there in?

14:27:08 mike_c: do they ever *not* have their fucking hand out?

14:27:37 asciilifeform: not like they can't take every cent, and every nut and bolt of the car, if they feel like it

14:27:56 mike_c: It's just annoying, depending on how cynical you are.

14:28:26 mike_c: Ok, guy sleeps with child prostitutes, gets busted, goes to jail. Good. "Oh, by the way, give us $50k or we'll take your cars".

14:29:21 asciilifeform: fella must've slept through slave school. where they teach ya that usg owns your sorry skin and its entire contents, and can do whatever the fuck it wants to you whenever the fuck it feels like; and that there isn't a thing you can do about it, except to help terrorists, whom you will never meet except in their fbi 'o'brien' incarnation

14:30:03 asciilifeform: mike_c: one thing unclear to me: why does one need a car in jail ?

14:30:14 mike_c: he's only in for ~5 years

14:30:21 mike_c: i guess he'd rather keep them

14:30:51 mod6: hanbot: << picked the renaming bits out of here, worked for me, thanks. did not get the syntax error! << ahh ok thanks for the update. glad you didn't get the error. my ubuntu needs to go to glue factory.

14:33:14 thestringpuller: Andreas: All the fork drama is really overblown. Diversity is good and bitcoin is resilient. Consensus will converge on the correct answer. << Consensus is you are a zombie who refuses to die.

14:33:42 asciilifeform: recall yesterday's 'mit consensus scholarship!!!111'

14:33:47 thestringpuller: oh and this one!

14:33:51 asciilifeform: it's the new zombie control word

14:34:07 thestringpuller: "I think we should put users first. What do users want? They want low transaction fees and fast confirmations. Lets design for that case, because THE USERS are who ultimately give Bitcoin value." - Gavin << WHo is going to pay for these "low transactions"

14:34:20 asciilifeform: why not also say 'they want ferraris' ?

14:34:26 asciilifeform: because i'm pretty sure that they do.

14:34:34 asciilifeform: more, even, than 'cheap transactions'

14:34:57 asciilifeform: so YOU, yes YOU, pony up

14:35:04 asciilifeform: kulak.

14:36:04 asciilifeform: and the next time you sit in the sun, eating ice cream, remember that it is the flies that give ice cream its value.

14:36:09 asciilifeform: i know 'cause i just asked a fly.

14:36:23 asciilifeform: they have consensus!

14:36:25 asciilifeform: and numbers.

14:36:38 asciilifeform: d3m0cr4cy!!!1

14:37:07 mod6: haha

14:37:21 mod6: asciilifeform: did you get it sorted out with whatever sig thing you were trying to saw through?

14:37:26 asciilifeform: mod6: aha

14:37:28 asciilifeform: see log.

14:37:28 mod6: ok

14:38:31 *: asciilifeform bbl

14:43:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.0006959 = 8.3856 BTC [+]

14:49:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53150 @ 0.00069835 = 37.1173 BTC [+] {2}

15:34:59 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245466 <-- lol. Which customer is more important, the one who gave you a penny a year ago or a regular who provides 10% of revenue?

15:34:59 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 14:36:04; asciilifeform: and the next time you sit in the sun, eating ice cream, remember that it is the flies that give ice cream its value.

15:35:39 funkenstein_: kinda why i have been wasting resources on this thing: http://coin-vote.com/poll/557573b91ce32f881a045135

15:35:41 assbot: Coin-Vote ... ( http://bit.ly/1K8AUaC )

15:38:33 punkman: funkenstein_: website's yours?

15:39:25 thestringpuller: funkenstein_: interesting never saw this before

15:49:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52027 @ 0.000701 = 36.4709 BTC [+]

15:52:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17602 @ 0.00068865 = 12.1216 BTC [-] {4}

15:56:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.000701 = 20.6795 BTC [+]

15:57:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.00067827 = 43.6128 BTC [-] {2}

16:00:20 funkenstein_: punkman, yes. stringpuller: earlier version posted while ago (in logs), copypaste was able to "double vote". Work in progress.

16:05:13 mike_c: It has an amazing lack of documentation/explanation :)

16:05:13 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:05:17 mike_c: indeed

16:05:52 mike_c: did I miss the FAQ link?

16:09:31 funkenstein_: yeah it needs instructions / documentation

16:09:38 funkenstein_: thank you

16:29:31 mod6: <+mod6> hanbot: ... << ahh ok thanks for the update. glad you didn't get the error. my ubuntu needs to go to glue factory. << actually, I did also try this on a different 10.04 VM and i did get the same error. bizzare.

16:36:46 mod6: !up ascii_field

16:42:36 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245496 << get rid of the ubuntus.

16:42:36 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 16:29:31; mod6: <+mod6> hanbot: ... << ahh ok thanks for the update. glad you didn't get the error. my ubuntu needs to go to glue factory. << actually, I did also try this on a different 10.04 VM and i did get the same error. bizzare.

16:43:54 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245481 << for extra lulz, see if you can trick folks into ending up signing a transaction

16:43:54 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 15:35:39; funkenstein_: kinda why i have been wasting resources on this thing: http://coin-vote.com/poll/557573b91ce32f881a045135

16:44:09 ascii_field: phriendz don't let phriendz sign random strange

16:44:23 ascii_field: esp. not with btc privkeys

16:47:44 danielpbarron: i put gentoo on an HP XW9400 Workstation, and also got Eulora running on it, although I can't test out walking around in the world yet

16:48:33 danielpbarron: not sure if installing xfce was necessary to get Eulora running; might have only needed some media libraries

16:49:09 chetty: sounds cool hope you have chance to try it soon danielpbarron

16:49:51 danielpbarron: the cs walktest worked so I think it'll be no problem

16:50:10 ascii_field: lulz: http://dadaviz.com/i/4789

16:50:11 assbot: Sovereign Citizens Are A Larger Threat To The US Than Jihadists ... ( http://bit.ly/1UVqvSJ )

16:50:56 ascii_field: (could easily be wholly fictional, but, in the immortal words of tlp: 'if you're reading it, it's for you')

16:51:54 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> **omitted** http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/v-genesis.txt << so much like MP says here; my diff http://dpaste.com/1ACSMBC.txt seems to just have the following out of order: b/bitcoin/COPYING, b/bitcoin/src/json/LICENSE.txt,...

16:51:56 assbot: Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGCVcP )

16:51:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7cgF )

16:54:24 mod6: b/bitcoin/src/json/json_spirit.h, b/bitcoin/src/test/base58_tests.cpp, b/bitcoin/src/test/base64_tests.cpp, b/bitcoin/src/test/README out of order. but the hashes seem to match.

16:54:42 mod6: anyway, will keep looking at it for a while here.

16:56:16 ascii_field: mod6: just grep the diff for '+++' and compare the hashes with sha512sum of directory (your local manifest)

16:56:26 ascii_field: no need to do this with bare hands.

16:56:49 ascii_field: and is our latest discovery that 'diff' is UNFATHOMABLY retarded ?!

16:57:03 ascii_field: srsly, different sort order on different versions of 'diff' ?

16:57:19 trinque: the people wanted change, ascii_field

16:57:37 ascii_field: beoble

16:58:16 ascii_field: 'Once there was The People--it shall never be again!' (tm) (r) (kipling)

16:58:28 mod6: i guess it's possible. for that one I used this version:

16:58:28 mod6: mod6@localhost ~/genesis $ diff --version

16:58:29 mod6: diff (GNU diffutils) 3.3

16:58:29 mod6: Packaged by Gentoo (3.3)

16:58:58 ascii_field: mod6: seems like i have same ?

16:59:12 ascii_field: or claimed, at any rate

16:59:25 mod6: hmm. its possible that I have done something incorrect on my side.

16:59:37 mod6: that's why im a bit hesitant yet.

16:59:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00068277 = 14.2358 BTC [+]

16:59:47 ascii_field: another possibility is some odd misbehaviour re: timestamps

17:00:52 mats: ;;ticker

17:00:53 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 232.63, Best ask: 233.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 233.05, 24 hour volume: 36670.90620652, 24 hour low: 221.11, 24 hour high: 237.94, 24 hour vwap: None

17:03:09 mod6: ascii_field: yea, i'll dig into it more tonight and tomorrow, etc. until i get it solved. thx!

17:03:45 mats: ;;ticker --market all

17:03:53 ascii_field: mod6: didja ever post your complete diff ?

17:03:54 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 232.72, vol: 20401.85308198 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 230.51, vol: 10339.03617 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 232.54, vol: 36670.90620652 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 245.0, vol: 14.54786465 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 232.88452, vol: 28330.07090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 235.05954, vol: 552.72746559 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 238.7111646, vol: 192.91907085 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

17:04:43 mod6: no, i can though.

17:06:04 ascii_field: would be helpful in solving the puzzle.

17:06:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00068864 = 41.525 BTC [+] {2}

17:08:01 mats: !up ascii_field

17:11:28 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/mod6.genesis.vpatch-20150819

17:11:31 assbot: Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7xzYw )

17:12:34 punkman: ascii_field: do you have an outline/spec for v? I could give you a hand with that

17:14:09 mod6: i'll compare my raw patch above with MP's posted one above side-by-side here when i get a chance.

17:14:48 ascii_field: punkman: it's in a half-done state. doesn't really need docs, very much self-explaining

17:15:29 punkman: ascii_field: no I mean doing that other half

17:22:48 ascii_field: patience good man

17:25:41 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244997 << my new computer came with an nVidia card which concerned me at first because OpenBSD doesn't get along with that (and confirmed myself, graphics were slow and choppy) but it turns out to work well for getting Eulora to work with gentoo

17:25:41 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 03:25:34; *: BingoBoingo does not know their stimulus for keeping linux of life support, may have been Nvidia...

17:26:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00069503 = 13.8311 BTC [+]

17:32:12 ascii_field: mod6: i viewed the diffs in 'meld', came to same conclusion as you: 1) timestamps 2) ordering of files

17:39:44 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

17:40:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11742 @ 0.00069503 = 8.161 BTC [+]

17:40:39 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: When NVida "works" on opensource it is largely due to binary black boxes like 'cg'

17:40:47 ascii_field: http://www.sytaylor.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dilbert-chain.jpg

17:40:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxW8KL )

17:48:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00069531 = 7.9961 BTC [+] {2}

17:54:08 thestringpuller: 370661

17:55:24 mod6: ascii_field: thanks for taking a look!

18:01:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00067546 = 27.3561 BTC [-] {4}

18:09:29 mike_c: kakobrekla: these assbot bitly links don't seem to work anymore

18:09:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.0006751 = 7.6624 BTC [-]

18:17:39 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

18:17:42 gribble: Current Blocks: 370743 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 200 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 8 hours, 52 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

18:18:45 mike_c: ""phf [R.07] created two patches [R.08] for `stator' to build and run on OpenBSD. This is very exciting, we've been looking forward to supporting this platform for some time now." << is the the royal "we"? :)

18:18:55 mike_c: we = mod6 + mod6

18:20:10 trinque: mike_c: there are two gentlemen running the foundation

18:20:29 mike_c: indeed there are, but methinks only one was actually excited about supporting openbsd

18:20:39 trinque: haha, perhaps

18:22:26 mike_c: i can not *wait* until this thing is production ready.

18:22:51 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:23:12 ascii_field: mike_c: out of curiosity, what do you consider 'production-ready' ?

18:23:28 mike_c: i consider it simply, the foundation says so.

18:23:52 mike_c: not blindly, but that seems a prerequisite

18:23:57 kakobrekla: mike_c ?

18:24:13 mike_c: kakobrekla: none of the bitly links from assbot work for me. they working for you?

18:24:23 kakobrekla: [19:40:45] <ascii_field> http://www.sytaylor.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dilbert-chain.jpg

18:24:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxW8KL )

18:24:25 kakobrekla: [19:40:53] <assbot> ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxW8KL )

18:24:26 assbot: http://www.sytaylor.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dilbert-chain.jpg: dilbert-chain.jpg (597x181 pixels) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EFrnl7 )

18:24:27 kakobrekla: this one does ?

18:25:07 mike_c: that's interesting.. I tried that one specifically before and got nothing, but now it is showing up.

18:25:34 kakobrekla: nfi but everything is falling apart apparently so i wouldnt be surprised

18:25:48 mike_c: hm, well, nevermind then. perhaps it was temporary.

18:26:38 kakobrekla: everything is temporary.

18:26:56 mike_c: unless you stick it in the blockchain

18:27:03 kakobrekla: even then

18:27:10 chetty: <kakobrekla> everything is temporary.// death and taxes?

18:27:46 kakobrekla: if you wait long enough.

18:28:01 trinque: "Please switch to side B of the Universe now."

18:28:13 mod6: <+mike_c> we = mod6 + mod6 << lol! in all seriousness, i think that ben supports us working on obsd as well; however, yes, his enthusiasm might be more tempered then my own. He does review all of these SoBA's before they get signed & sent out to ML

18:28:53 mod6: imho, it's good to support at least 1 other platform outside of linux.

18:29:02 ascii_field: minix!

18:29:13 mike_c: No disagreement. I just smiled at the excitement :)

18:29:14 ascii_field: (and ~never, ever~ minix-3)

18:29:16 chetty: dos

18:29:25 ascii_field: chetty: see also:

18:29:29 ascii_field: !s msdos

18:29:30 assbot: 74 results for 'msdos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=msdos

18:29:38 *: ascii_field discusses this at least a few times

18:29:48 chetty: :)

18:30:08 kakobrekla: msdos really best of doses ?

18:30:24 ascii_field: summary: msdos to which you add a scheduler (threads) and addressability of blockchain-sized hard disk, is not really msdos in any proper sense

18:30:41 kakobrekla: didnt kildall make that shit?

18:30:53 kakobrekla: or is it killdal

18:30:55 chetty: well I actually kinda liked the 'robin' variant

18:32:08 kakobrekla: 'dr-dos' ?

18:32:29 ascii_field: kakobrekla: iirc the modern drdos is 'freedos'

18:32:44 ascii_field: because it is ~so~ useful to have something like msdos but less compatible.

18:33:05 ascii_field: (msdos 6.2 source leaked some years ago, and, unlike most leaked source, actually builds.)

18:33:16 *: kakobrekla didnt know that

18:34:05 ascii_field: at any rate, msdos provides not one single system call that could be of use to a bitcoind

18:34:19 ascii_field: so a 'dos port' is more appropriately a 'bare metal' port, and doesn't need the dos for anything

18:45:47 trinque: BREAKING NEWS: Second release of Ashley Madison data includes source code for website, CEO emails << headline banner on reuters homepage

18:45:50 trinque: wahahaha

18:45:55 trinque: just keeps getting worse for them

18:48:57 ascii_field: 'the cuckening'

18:49:36 trinque: !b 4

18:49:37 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/324S41S.txt )

18:51:44 mats: lol.

18:52:02 ascii_field: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-hunt-for-narco-subs << unrelated but lulzy

18:52:04 assbot: The Hunt for Narco Subs | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1EFuhpZ )

18:54:40 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:54:52 ascii_field: re: 2nd am leak: theoretically enough to set up the site for yourself

18:54:55 ascii_field: if you wished.

19:03:57 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245343 << come to think of it, yes my browsers have also been much slower at loading the log ever since the color change

19:03:57 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:13:32; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245265 << mine sputters, and barely runs, but loads. at first glance, whatever kakobrekla did to the log has doubled memory footprint

19:06:08 trinque: he did javascript to it

19:06:11 trinque: whaddayawant

19:06:33 kakobrekla: no js added.

19:08:12 chetty: log ever since the color change// color? what color?

19:08:50 jurov: !s kindergarten

19:08:51 assbot: 64 results for 'kindergarten' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kindergarten

19:08:52 ascii_field: 'When the head of US Southern Command testified before Congress in March 2014, he said that due to asset shortfalls Southcom couldn’t pursue 74 percent of suspected maritime drug-smuggling vessels. “I simply sit and watch it go by,” the general said.' << disinfo !

19:09:28 jurov: chetty, it's there ^

19:10:43 ascii_field: 'Update: The US Coast Guard informed me that the 16,000 pounds of cocaine seized during the July 18 semi-submersible bust has been changed to 14,000 pounds, due to a "quantity mistake" in their initial report. This story has been changed to reflect that correction' << 2,000 for obamitler's cellar

19:10:48 chetty: odd, I dont get any color but I the spacing is actually better on that version

19:10:52 trinque: ascii_field: wahahaha

19:11:48 trinque: must be something else to be able to be that brazen and *know* not a soul will know or care

19:12:01 *: trinque recalls the CIA plane *filled* with coke

19:12:12 trinque: certainly not an isolated case, of course.

19:12:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00069854 = 15.9966 BTC [+] {3}

19:13:10 trinque: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20070924-0

19:13:11 assbot: ASN Aircraft accident Grumman American G-1159 Gulfstream II N987SA Tixkokob ... ( http://bit.ly/1EFwPo8 )

19:13:33 ascii_field: https://archive.is/39K6d << the earlier loltron, for future reference.

19:16:16 trinque: ascii_field: yeah, I'm having a hell of a time finding the sources that linked the above plane to flights to guantanamo now, and recall in the past *not* relying on such filth as "infowars"

19:18:24 trinque: but I do remember when this was reported at the time, in 07

19:22:20 trinque: http://www.statesman.com/ap/ap/california/coast-guard-cutter-arrives-in-us-with-14-tons-of-c/nkwt6/ << holy shit, here's another one the statesman took down

19:22:22 assbot: Page not found | www.statesman.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7X5ww )

19:22:56 trinque: I guess that one's a seizure.

19:23:19 trinque: point being, the internet... it rots.

19:27:15 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

19:27:15 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0006751 / 0.00069203 / 0.0007374 (2533894 shares, 1,753.53 BTC), 7D: 0.000591 / 0.00070498 / 0.0007991 (14010531 shares, 9,877.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00058029 / 0.0007991 (83372433 shares, 48,380.72 BTC)

19:27:15 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

19:35:09 scoopbot_revived: Collected Notes on the XT Client and XTCoin fork http://qntra.net/2015/08/collected-notes-on-the-xt-client-and-xtcoin-fork/

19:35:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00069871 = 5.4499 BTC [+]

19:37:17 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: is working on the blacklist article

19:37:29 BingoBoingo: *no colon there

19:51:55 felipelalli: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-08-2015#1225351 << trinque I'm sorry, but I didn't understand. I tried to find in the history but I couldn't. What exactly is a great way to rate people outside the WoT? Thank you!

19:51:55 assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 06:35:37; trinque: ;;later tell felipelalli you've spoken about the idea of rating people not in the WoT; there's a great way ^

19:53:20 trinque: felipelalli: 'twas above that one, BingoBoingo made a deed in which he promised to rate certain individuals -10 should they ever appear in the WoT

19:53:40 ascii_field: felipelalli: 'I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' (tm) (r) (babbage)

19:54:09 trinque: ascii_field: not at all; making a deed serves a similar purpose if the individuals are easily identified by the contents of the deed

19:54:40 ascii_field: meat folks have a habit of changing skins

19:54:50 ascii_field: esp. sc4mz0rz

19:54:55 thestringpuller: ascii_field: has been watching face-off too much

19:54:59 ascii_field: it's kinda like using a branding iron on a snake

19:55:00 trinque: sure, but if it's bureaucrat X who did Y and Z publically, works fine

19:57:32 ascii_field: bureaucrat - sure.

19:57:47 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

19:57:49 felipelalli: trinque, ah, lol, amazing. thank you! The deedbot link didn't work when I tried to enter in it. My idea was to be able to rate an "abstract entity" that could represents a person or company that wasn't registered on WoT.

19:57:49 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:58:06 trinque: which link?

19:58:12 felipelalli: !up ascii_field

19:58:39 ascii_field: felipelalli: why not simply rate'em if they ever show up.

19:58:51 ascii_field: why does wot need to be a dead hand ?

19:59:09 trinque: this is why I suggest deeds for this, rather than WoT ratings

19:59:22 trinque: "fuck he who did X" is a fine thing to preserve permanently

19:59:44 trinque: this is actually the thing that most excites me about bitcoin: permanent social memory

19:59:50 felipelalli: ascii_field, this is actually useful to identify scammers. Scammers does not like to register in WoT systems because they are easily got.

19:59:50 trinque: at least as long as the life of the chain

20:00:02 trinque: felipelalli: good reason to do business in-WoT though

20:00:35 felipelalli: trinque, yes, max priority.

20:01:29 felipelalli: trinque, the link I tried to enter was this one: http://dpaste.com/10RVK2B.txt (above your commentary). But I should enter in deedbot link, not this one that is expired.

20:01:30 assbot: Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9b5FX )

20:01:42 ascii_field: felipelalli: from that perspective, a fella who was offered every chance to get in wot, and we saw that he understood how it works, but refused - has already negrated himself to -$maxint

20:01:50 trinque: felipelalli: yer dpaste is dead boss

20:02:11 felipelalli: ascii_field, yes! :) this is true.

20:02:39 danielpbarron: https://archive.is/http://dpaste.com/10RVK2B.txt

20:02:40 assbot: http://dpaste.com/10RVK2B.txt: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fszafv )

20:03:06 felipelalli: lol, very good!

20:03:48 danielpbarron: and to those who might not have noticed, the assbot bit.ly links forward to archive.is

20:04:08 trinque: nice.

20:04:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00069831 = 23.6029 BTC [-]

20:05:20 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/20/us-ashleymadison-cybersecurity-idUSKCN0QP20K20150820 << In a message, the hackers, who call themselves the Impact Team said: "Hey Noel, you can admit it's real now."

20:05:21 assbot: Hackers leave message for Ashley Madison founder in second data dump: expert | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1fszwTm )

20:05:39 trinque: mein gott the lolz

20:05:42 felipelalli: I'm reading http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/ now. Who is this guy "goat"?

20:05:44 assbot: shitco.in | The Bitcoin XT Trojan ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwckBo )

20:06:03 ascii_field: felipelalli: i have no idea, but iirc mircea_popescu dislikes him

20:06:11 danielpbarron: some guy who isn't in the WoT

20:07:09 danielpbarron: yet another guy who "teaches the controversy" that the "debate" is whether to use 'Core' vs 'XT'

20:07:36 ascii_field: goodcop/badcop

20:07:49 mircea_popescu: in the current state this is actually fine. "debate core vs xt" misrepresentation is a degradation of "core consensus" prev state.

20:08:12 ascii_field: xt was 'bad cop' from day 1

20:08:26 ascii_field: (existed to make 'core' look like a decent thing)

20:08:41 mircea_popescu: yes. except this need wasn't perceived back in say 2013.

20:08:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47863 @ 0.00069757 = 33.3878 BTC [-] {4}

20:09:23 ascii_field: when ~did~ 'xt' appear ?

20:09:45 mircea_popescu: hearn was added to support gavin almost as soon as gavin did his "presentation" at cia.

20:10:03 ascii_field: this i recall.

20:10:06 mircea_popescu: but they were, according to usg, unknown. only recently were they moved from field to embassy duty

20:10:17 mircea_popescu: or as that works out in bitcoin, from "developers" to "XT team"

20:11:39 mircea_popescu: bah log still unusable.

20:12:20 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3M0W299.txt << have a turd

20:12:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9aOnS )

20:12:29 mircea_popescu: im reduced to using it through archive.today ffs.

20:12:34 felipelalli: if Bitcoin Core pushes forward to increase the block size, how to resist to it if the miners decide to support the fork? Any other version unsupported by the miners would be very vulnerable to attacks from the fork side?

20:12:39 ascii_field: kakobrekla: ^^

20:12:52 mircea_popescu: nope, cuts off.

20:12:54 ascii_field: kakobrekla: re: log

20:13:16 mircea_popescu: felipelalli suppose you actually read the logs.

20:13:55 mircea_popescu: ascii_field thanks

20:13:57 felipelalli: !s fork

20:13:58 assbot: 849 results for 'fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork

20:14:26 mircea_popescu: "benzinga.com" ? wtf, your dragnet's too tight, picking everything

20:15:05 mircea_popescu: i bet alf's idea of microbiology work is "examine the bugs individually under microscope"

20:15:17 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually, sometimes is.

20:15:25 mircea_popescu: "fits in head" too ?

20:15:35 ascii_field: ^ was why i got out of biology

20:15:49 mircea_popescu: this is a fine approach for computer viruses. for very good reasons i won't go into for the sake of not boring everyone.

20:15:59 mircea_popescu: but it is a bad approach for actual microbiology. because, again, saltus.

20:16:02 mircea_popescu: !up mynameismud

20:16:21 kakobrekla: yeah looking into it, checked and old backup copy of the file - still slow

20:16:44 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: funnily, the saltus thing is applicable to modern crapware written by morons who slavishly copy one another with minor variations

20:16:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i use the log daily and the problem only started maybe 2 days ago. somehow.

20:17:00 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, because biology creeps in.

20:17:17 mircea_popescu: it's also applicabe to things like "internet websites", for the same reason. hence the b-something comment above.

20:17:20 ascii_field: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: i also noticed this. even dug in the payload, found nothing

20:17:26 ascii_field: but i'm no www magician

20:17:30 mircea_popescu: i'm tryin' to pass along to you the methodology knowledge of people in this field, ya know ?

20:17:38 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu try now

20:17:52 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you're entirely correct re: spamatronics

20:17:58 ascii_field: somehow i wasn't thinking in that key.

20:18:27 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nope, still eats memory.

20:18:41 kakobrekla: this now is 1 month old file

20:18:48 kakobrekla: so its not my code and wtf.

20:18:53 ascii_field: ddos?

20:19:00 mircea_popescu: nah.

20:19:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla specifically what was i testing ? log.bitcoin-assets.com right ?

20:19:25 kakobrekla: yes

20:19:28 mircea_popescu: could there be a cache involved ?

20:19:35 kakobrekla: naw

20:19:44 mircea_popescu: but i guarantee this was not present 1 month ago, or even a week ago.

20:19:50 mircea_popescu: because i bitched within 5 minutes.

20:19:57 ascii_field: aha

20:20:02 kakobrekla: i started noticing a slowdown 7-10 days ago

20:20:09 ascii_field: it started on or very close to the hour when the colours were introduced.

20:20:16 mircea_popescu: ima pore through this file now see wtf.

20:20:27 kakobrekla: but its not the colors!

20:20:45 mircea_popescu: might not be... i noticed after they were introdfuced tho

20:20:52 ascii_field: same

20:21:07 kakobrekla: there is no colors in the code now, still slow

20:21:16 ascii_field: is there ANYTHING that wasn't there in june ?

20:21:21 mircea_popescu: https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=log.bitcoin-assets.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0

20:21:50 kakobrekla: fuck w3c

20:21:50 mircea_popescu: useless as usual.

20:21:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.0006751 = 14.1771 BTC [-]

20:22:05 mircea_popescu: Line 4051, Column 13: value of attribute "ID" invalid: "1" cannot start a name

20:22:07 mircea_popescu: because why.

20:22:38 ascii_field: 'cause some twit

20:22:42 ascii_field: or perhaps - fortran

20:23:11 mircea_popescu: <script src="/js/jquery-1.8.3.min.js"></script> <script src="/js/jquery-ui-1.9.2.custom.min.js"></script> < those changed ?

20:23:27 *: ascii_field realized long ago that standards committees attract at least half a dozen distinct types of vermin. one of which is the sort of fella who vandalizes bus stops, carves initials in

20:23:49 trinque: the browser is the ultimate "make a name for myself" hell.

20:24:33 ascii_field: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: why does that thing need js??!!!

20:25:19 danielpbarron: js is what makes the selected line (via url) turn yellow

20:25:35 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i just loaded a version without the head section

20:25:42 mircea_popescu: it works perfectly fine, 0 delay.

20:25:45 mircea_popescu: the problem is in the head.

20:25:53 kakobrekla: its always in the head.

20:26:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.00068582 = 6.1635 BTC [+]

20:26:24 mircea_popescu: lol

20:28:21 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234461 << i've been listening to his podcast ever since his article on the dance party for the shamed fat guy; the show is just barely interesting to have on in the background thanks to his somewhat libertarian-leaning co-host, Dick Masterson. Maddox himself is a damn dirty socialist, and also a self-described 'programmer' who frequently speaks to the virtues of winbl0ws

20:28:21 assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 06:07:22; trinque: man, I love Maddox so much

20:30:05 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/log.html << check that version out. it loads fine, at least for me.

20:30:07 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsCLdk )

20:30:17 mircea_popescu: the only thing i changed is the head, now it reads

20:30:18 trinque: danielpbarron: man, he's a socialist? that's disappointing.

20:30:18 mircea_popescu: <head>

20:30:18 mircea_popescu: <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />

20:30:18 mircea_popescu: <title>#bitcoin-assets log</title>

20:30:18 mircea_popescu: <meta name="keywords" content="#bitcoin-assets log" />

20:30:18 mircea_popescu: <meta name="description" content="#bitcoin-assets log" />

20:30:20 mircea_popescu: <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="all" href="http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/css/all.css" />

20:30:23 mircea_popescu: </head>

20:30:42 trinque: I'm speaking from having read maddox.xmission.com long ago

20:31:15 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron lotta people are sorta like that, really. the hope and expectaton of a "greatness of the people" is hard to shake.

20:32:36 kakobrekla: try log now pls

20:32:44 kakobrekla: f5 also

20:32:49 mircea_popescu: felipelalli or alternatively the cannonical texts on the topic. http://fraudsters.com/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal http://fraudsters.com/lets-address-even-more-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal http://fraudsters.com/third-pass-addressing-the-more-common-pseudo-a

20:32:50 assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6g3 )

20:32:50 assbot: Let's address even more of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6g6 )

20:32:51 assbot: Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6gg )

20:32:51 mircea_popescu: rguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal

20:32:57 *: danielpbarron confirms log loads faster now :D

20:33:05 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla perfect now.

20:33:08 kakobrekla: fuckin hell.

20:33:12 mircea_popescu: what was it ?

20:33:16 kakobrekla: css :|

20:33:27 mircea_popescu: ahhh this is nice to get back.

20:33:28 mircea_popescu: oh ?

20:33:40 mircea_popescu: but... my version loads css/all.css and still works ?

20:33:48 kakobrekla: NFI

20:33:49 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:33:53 ascii_field: worx

20:34:06 mircea_popescu: but listen... all i took out was the js!

20:34:14 kakobrekla: all i replaced was .css

20:34:20 felipelalli: mircea_popescu, thank you for the links! I was trying to find something relevant on log but I didn't so far.

20:34:22 mircea_popescu: hm

20:35:08 trinque: some css selectors can be heavy to apply

20:35:43 mircea_popescu: trinque the file i uploaded uses the same css the not working log used tho, and worked fine!@

20:35:56 trinque: could be heavy depending on the structure of the markup

20:35:58 mircea_popescu: but i suppose it could be some mysterious css/js interaction

20:36:03 trinque: cause it has to search the whole DOM tree

20:36:16 mircea_popescu: it clearly looked like a badly done recursive search

20:36:25 trinque: can be narrowed by specifying IDs, using > to specify "just immediate child" etc

20:36:27 trinque: yep

20:36:49 mircea_popescu: i guess it COULD be that it actually rejected the provided ids "because they start with digit" and ending up with a soup ?

20:36:58 mircea_popescu: which...

20:37:18 trinque: it's one of those giant monstrosities that every simple question is hard to answer

20:37:25 trinque: *within which

20:37:35 mircea_popescu: incidentally, re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245067 : it occurs to me that this situation is not just pseudo-exchanges and fake dating sites etc. this is universally true of the web.

20:37:35 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 03:59:34; mircea_popescu: re the ashley madison thing, i believe it chiefly provides the same service faux exchanges etc provide to the click-bound generation. ie, they get to pretend like they're traders, don juans, what not, all from the safety of their own den, and - crucially - without actually doing it.

20:37:59 mircea_popescu: which is to say : there's two webs. one is the original web, which exclusively consists of non-interactive http served documents. this is the same it always was, more or less.

20:38:18 kakobrekla: a 'missing' 'overflow: hidden' was the cause

20:38:23 mircea_popescu: then there's a secopnd web, to use its own terminology web2.0. this is composed of ALL the sites that uses https, for any purpose. such as "logins" as if that makes any sense.

20:38:36 mircea_popescu: these, without exception, are populated by idiots. without exception i say.

20:38:41 kakobrekla: how ? dunno, nobody could have foreseen.

20:38:44 mircea_popescu: and what they do all day is, PRETEND like they're doing something.

20:38:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla win!

20:39:03 trinque: kakobrekla: heh was every line trying to figure out if it was going to be scrollable?

20:39:26 trinque: "reflow" is a bitch

20:39:33 kakobrekla: possibly

20:40:04 mircea_popescu: they pretend like they're advertising, but aren't actually reaching anyone. they pretend like they're socializing, but they're socialising with perl scripts (as per http://fraudsters.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ ). they pretend like they're doing banking except they aren't actually, and "cheating" on their wife with gif-provided motion and indian call center provided voice.

20:40:04 assbot: Spamming reddit, an "experiment". on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsDRpu )

20:40:30 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's a wriggleysgumification

20:40:34 mircea_popescu: the web 2.0 has, basically, failed in all its promises except one. it does give monkleys something to play with.

20:40:43 mircea_popescu: keeps em "busy" and "employed" and so forth.

20:40:51 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced that there is enough 'genuine cheat' or whatnot to go around. hence, the simulacra.

20:41:02 mircea_popescu: of course there isn'rt roflmao. what "go around" !

20:41:17 mircea_popescu: the moment you have go around in the sentence you've made it about "giving stuff to people who haven't earned it"

20:41:22 ascii_field: any more than there is enough toyota to 'go around' in zimbabwe

20:41:30 ascii_field: how else.

20:41:43 mircea_popescu: so basically... yeah. the www is the new ghetto.

20:42:02 mircea_popescu: "go hang out on a website or whatever it is your kind does", as it were.

20:42:03 ascii_field: orlov worked this subject in his hilarious 'dead souls'

20:42:20 ascii_field: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html

20:42:22 assbot: ClubOrlov: Dead Souls ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsEaR6 )

20:42:49 ascii_field: kakobrekla: do the nauseating colours ~have~ to be default ?

20:42:55 mircea_popescu: well, i guess it's not novel nor really anything but the most banal observation.

20:42:59 kakobrekla: ascii_field f5

20:43:15 ascii_field: ah

20:43:17 ascii_field: ty kakobrekla

20:43:18 mircea_popescu: but to my own head it's a huge step forward. i guess i was coming at the internet from the wrong perspective. took a while to clear in my head heh.

20:43:31 kakobrekla: muh plesur

20:43:56 mircea_popescu: "With each passing week more and more of us become ready to concede that economic growth is no longer possible. Economic de?velopment, on the old model, which UN Sec?retary Ban Ki-moon recently characterized as a ?global suicide pact,? is becoming con?strained by the limits of natural resources of the finite planet, energy, arable land and fresh water foremost among them, and stressed further by extreme weather

20:43:56 mircea_popescu: events that increase in frequency due to the rapidly destabilizing climate." <<< ascii_field i'm sorry, what ?

20:43:59 mircea_popescu: dude's not even wrong.

20:44:31 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: just now noticed that one ?

20:44:37 mircea_popescu: you quoted it to me ?

20:44:44 ascii_field: iirc mr o works it into every single piece somehow

20:44:57 *: ascii_field just ignores

20:45:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00067343 = 16.095 BTC [-] {3}

20:45:28 ascii_field: i don't barf from religion unless it genuinely interferes with the subject matter

20:45:50 mircea_popescu: i guess you'll have to provide offsets with your orlov links nao

20:45:58 mircea_popescu: which paragraph am i to start reading?

20:46:07 ascii_field: mr o, it appears, has somehow baked his whole mind around the idea that climatocalypse will cleanse away the sins of mankind

20:46:30 trinque: heh, I've hoped for this as well. wishful thinking.

20:46:32 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: third

20:47:06 mircea_popescu: such nonsense.

20:47:36 mircea_popescu: " What neither side seems to grasp is this: as the virtualized realm of cyberreality and social networking takes over daily life, the actual physical economy will matter less and less"

20:47:45 mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, what ? dude's not even wrong.

20:48:16 mircea_popescu: a) what takes over ; b) what less and less. for starters.

20:48:47 ascii_field: nah, makes sense - build 100x fewer cars, let lusers watch films of cars, go 'vroom' in their minds

20:49:03 ascii_field: sorta why i brought it up re: the simulacra thread.

20:49:09 mircea_popescu: how does this answer eiother a or b ?

20:49:31 ascii_field: wankatronics ('web 2') takes over

20:50:00 trinque: cannot last for very long at all, if it did

20:50:28 *: trinque tries to eat a farmville vegetable

20:50:38 ascii_field: trinque: for so long as it is displacing 'optional' items, rather than air, food (and can take considerable liberties with the latter!) - it lasts

20:51:18 ascii_field: and, naturally, while the herring in the scania sounds.

20:51:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field "takes over" is not how you say this.

20:51:35 mircea_popescu: if tomorrow all white dudes in the us go hang themselves, leaving all the black dudes

20:51:37 trinque: sounds more like learning carpentry at aushwitz

20:51:44 mircea_popescu: would you say this means "hanging has taken over the us" ?

20:51:46 mircea_popescu: no, it did not.

20:53:19 ascii_field: i must have some 'css' filter in my skull that makes orlov make sense

20:53:27 thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/08WQAC0.txt

20:53:27 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:54:46 ascii_field: but will try anyway

20:55:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i think 'take over' here is in the sense microshit took over pc

20:55:58 ascii_field: in the sense that one ends up going to considerable lengths if wishing to avoid contact with it

20:56:28 trinque: sorta like a septic line taking over a basement

20:56:36 felipelalli: mircea_popescu, I read your articles. Actually I had read some parts before, but I read all over again. Unfortunately I didn't find the answer to my question. I understand that if miners just point to a "Scamcoin" (fork from Bitcoin) this is not Bitcoin, of course. But having them more hashpower, and the same type of hash function, this does not make the actual Bitcoin an "altcoin" and them vulnerable to attacks? (following the

20:56:37 felipelalli: idea of that other article of yours "The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies"")

20:56:40 ascii_field: trinque: aha.

20:57:09 trinque: but then the agency there is just a metaphor, so I can see the argument that nothing was "taken over"

20:57:28 felipelalli: mircea_popescu, in other words: the decision of majority of miners could literally kill the actual Bitcoin. Make it unusable.

20:57:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12122 @ 0.00068183 = 8.2651 BTC [+]

20:58:07 kakobrekla: well it will be 2010 all over again

20:58:09 trinque: felipelalli: so then the actual bitcoin has fewer miners.

20:58:49 mike_c: majority of miners = 60%? Then 40% of miners stay on bitcoin and blocks take.. 25 minutes?

20:58:56 mike_c: this is not unusable.

20:58:56 felipelalli: trinque, I know, but vulnerable. Miners could use a portion of their hashpower just to mess around with the actual Bitcoin.

20:58:58 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dunno how you do it, but yeah

20:59:14 kakobrekla: afaik you need 75% +2week for switch to work

20:59:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13110 @ 0.00068613 = 8.9952 BTC [+] {3}

20:59:38 mircea_popescu: felipelalli you did not read very carefully at all.

20:59:50 mike_c: in the meantime, everyone sane forks their coins, dumps the scam coin, and now the 60% miners are mining worthless coins.

21:00:01 trinque: ^

21:00:02 mike_c: how long does that last?

21:00:03 kakobrekla: i think gavins version uses 90%

21:00:19 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/#selection-169.0-169.15

21:00:20 assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGAzl )

21:00:27 mircea_popescu: you couldn't find that on your own for some reason ?

21:00:30 kakobrekla: everyone sane hahaha he said everyone sane.

21:00:45 mike_c: or insane :)

21:01:28 kakobrekla: insane keep their coins, sane wont touch exchanges

21:02:46 ascii_field: ;;later tell BingoBoingo how's the riot

21:02:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:03:04 mircea_popescu: that said, yes, people who disregard their own property can "mess around" with your property. for instance, a guy that doesn't give a shit about his 50k car can drive it through your front door.

21:03:10 mircea_popescu: what's to keep him from doing this ?

21:03:10 felipelalli: mircea_popescu, I fully understood your point on that part, but it does not answer what if the miners decide to attack the actual Bitcoin making double spends, reverting transactions etc. They'll have this power. Read http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/

21:03:11 assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGWG5 )

21:03:12 mircea_popescu: nothing, really.

21:03:22 mircea_popescu: yet lo and behold that not so many people drive their car through other people's doors.

21:03:31 mircea_popescu: because it's their fucking car, and because if they fuck it up they don't get another one.

21:03:45 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: except when they do

21:03:48 ascii_field: get another one

21:03:55 ascii_field: from friendly uncle usg.

21:03:58 mircea_popescu: riiight.

21:04:25 mircea_popescu: lemme put it plainly : if this were a unipolar world, it's not that bitcoin wouldn't exist. it's that it COULDNT.

21:04:40 mircea_popescu: the world is not unipolar. even if, for various inhabitants of various rural places, it so appears.

21:04:46 punkman: felipelalli: nobody can steal your coins if you just sit on them and don't spend for a while

21:04:48 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:04:48 mircea_popescu: and has so appeared, since before the greeks were invented.

21:05:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38279 @ 0.00069699 = 26.6801 BTC [+] {2}

21:06:18 trinque: hm, this brings to mind monotheism, as perhaps the source of this delusion of a singular agency over reality

21:06:22 trinque: or maybe just an expression of it

21:06:42 felipelalli: punkman, this is true, and this is my main use of Bitcoin. I wouldn't be affected. Good point. But this is a little contradictory with the article "there is no such thing as cryptocurrencies". The idea is "There Can Be Only One"

21:06:59 mike_c: There can only be one.

21:07:02 mircea_popescu: christianity took over the decaying roman empire as the most concise, most popular embodiment of their hope and aspiration. the only such remaining - that even as they've failed, they still must survive "for there's nothing else".

21:07:16 mike_c: But miners don't get to pick it

21:07:26 mircea_popescu: it's a great faith for the defeated, and always popular with them

21:07:59 mircea_popescu: felipelalli that's exactly it : there can only be one, and miners don't pick it. mike has it.

21:09:43 thestringpuller: miners are the bitch of the economic majority which is MP, he decides.

21:10:07 thestringpuller: whether people like that or not is irrelevant

21:11:22 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> meat folks have a habit of changing skins << Deed's kinda contingent on identification being confirmed at all

21:11:22 ascii_field: wouldn't a complete picture include satoshi ?

21:11:23 mircea_popescu: well, teh frist 8 words stand, at any rate.

21:11:31 mircea_popescu: check it out thestringpuller you got better score than orlov.

21:11:46 felipelalli: thank you guys for the thoughts!

21:12:03 mircea_popescu: thoughts ? what thoughts. this is abuse. you want 12-c down the hall for thoughts.

21:12:16 mike_c: satoshi seems to just be holding the detonate button.

21:12:31 mircea_popescu: the satosher errs only once!

21:12:34 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Just found out about it coming back from mowing lawns. KMOX was talking about it. If Crown Candy Kitchen survives not much elso of value in North city

21:12:39 ascii_field: mike_c: could easily push same button as mircea_popescu

21:12:49 mircea_popescu: clit ?

21:12:50 ascii_field: (dump sc4mf0rk coins)

21:13:13 mircea_popescu: that also.

21:13:30 mike_c: could yes, but it feels like he'd be more likely to blow the whole fucking thing up for some reason rather than use his coins to influence policy.

21:13:39 mike_c: but who knows

21:13:52 trinque: ascii_field: damn, wouldn't that be a thing to watch.

21:14:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c "some reason" aka it's fucking stupid and who the fuck does this to people, takes their napkin sketches and puts it in a frame above the mantelpiece!

21:14:06 felipelalli: mircea_popescu, lol

21:14:22 ascii_field: trinque: wonder if 'blow all up' would result in my ancient satoshicalypse pill being dug up and put to use

21:14:25 mircea_popescu: dja understand any minor mistake the man made PROTOTYPING is now preserved in billion dollars' worth of amber ?

21:14:45 mike_c: yeah, but, we're fixing the napkin. plz don't blow it up yet mr. satoshi.

21:15:03 mircea_popescu: five fucking years later, you know

21:15:03 mike_c: we = foundation, I'm not doing anything.

21:15:04 trinque: ascii_field: which?

21:15:06 mircea_popescu: "oh, we're fixing it."

21:15:20 mircea_popescu: i have no idea how any man can have the patience.

21:15:26 ascii_field: trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009 << it

21:15:28 assbot: Loper OS » On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to disconnect it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsImk2 )

21:15:30 mircea_popescu: but my involvement in bitcoin has been deeply educative through example

21:16:10 mike_c: Not exactly five years - It's a lot of work. This work wasn't necessarily worth it before enough people took the right notice and the project got some traction

21:16:24 mike_c: Meaning the fixing was only worth doing for a smaller number of years.

21:16:45 mircea_popescu: i hope me and mike_c die in the same plane crash and i get to hear him talk it over with ol' paulie.

21:17:03 mircea_popescu: i dunno wtf you're doing programming computers yo. go be a negotiator.

21:17:32 mike_c: my mother thought I should be a lawyer

21:17:39 mircea_popescu: yeah. in divorce court.

21:17:43 mircea_popescu: put it straight out of business.

21:17:47 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> felipelalli: i have no idea, but iirc mircea_popescu dislikes him << Two different goats

21:18:13 mircea_popescu: mike the goat is not the same as pedo the goat.

21:18:32 thestringpuller: pedo the goat is the thailand guy right?

21:19:02 trinque: ascii_field: ah yep, read that. and it wouldn't surprise me if A was an intentional kill switch, even less so with the hypothetical "failed project"

21:19:09 trinque: perhaps that was a veiled threat to use the bomb

21:19:17 ascii_field: trinque: read to the end.

21:20:07 ascii_field: spoiler: the anti-bomb is to make satoshi's blocks unspendable.

21:20:18 ascii_field: (and yes, that's forkspeak)

21:20:24 trinque: yep, read that too

21:20:32 ascii_field: but if the bomb fell,

21:20:34 trinque: something something precedent something socialism

21:20:36 ascii_field: that would be the only surviving fork!

21:20:44 ascii_field: the other one - dead.

21:20:53 ascii_field: economically unminable, even.

21:21:02 trinque: I dunno if I like having some kind of mob social mechanism to declare coins uncoined

21:21:17 trinque: and yet, yes, could kill the thing otherwise

21:21:46 mircea_popescu: there is nothing wrong with preserving the originator's exercisable right to end his progeniture.

21:21:55 mircea_popescu: heck, the absence of social recognition for this is why i won't have kids.

21:22:01 ascii_field: ^

21:22:12 trinque: yeah, if satoshi says "dead" I'm inclined to respect

21:22:18 ascii_field: the inventor is always at war with everyone else.

21:22:22 mircea_popescu: ^

21:22:28 ascii_field: 'tis true

21:22:29 mircea_popescu: more like alf's version than trinque's version.

21:22:33 mircea_popescu: the war needn't end.

21:22:46 ascii_field: i live on both sides of this.

21:22:57 trinque: not dead in that "no more cryptocurrencies"

21:23:04 trinque: but sure, I geddit

21:23:19 ascii_field: inventors live, typically, with a strong but arguably justifiable sense of being scammed by their fellow man collectively.

21:23:39 trinque: supposing it ends up expected that clients have a sort of "spam" list of bitcoin addresses they ignore

21:23:48 trinque: not a pleasant thought

21:24:18 ascii_field: one hypothesis of mine is that the 'anti-bomb' will help not at all unless dropped ~prior~ to the s-bomb

21:24:33 ascii_field: because proscribing the blocks later won't un-stampede the sell-panickers

21:25:02 ascii_field: and won't un-mix the mixed s-coin when it ends up everywhere

21:25:03 mircea_popescu: since we're doing nonsense ("you can't teach a class in nonsense. but the history of nonsnese - that's scholarship!"), can anyone explain why exactly would a hard fork not start with its own genesis ? outside of the fundamentally fraudulent, pious or otherwise, attempt to pretend like it's something it is most assuredly not ?

21:25:38 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: only reason is to hitch a phree ride on the existing allocations

21:25:51 mircea_popescu: so basically, free fork === new genesis block anyway.

21:25:54 mircea_popescu: i mean.

21:25:55 ascii_field: rather than deal with premining (or accusations thereof) and the whole orchestra.

21:25:56 punkman: you can't fork the chain at genesis

21:25:58 mircea_popescu: so basically, hard fork === new genesis block anyway.

21:26:15 mircea_popescu: ascii_field youre not required to starty it at 1 diff.

21:26:27 ascii_field: regardless of where you start the diff,

21:26:33 mircea_popescu: all the altcoin scammers ever did, of course, but for a very transparent reason.

21:26:34 ascii_field: early miners have massive advantage.

21:26:37 mircea_popescu: how ?

21:26:51 ascii_field: well, you can't start at ~very~ massive diff

21:26:55 mircea_popescu: why not ?

21:26:58 ascii_field: because then you get millenium-long block times

21:27:06 mircea_popescu: "here's the hard fork. mine the first block or go away"

21:27:12 ascii_field: (with the hash power typically available to a forker)

21:27:26 mircea_popescu: that'd have been the HONEST approach to xt, were xt actually powered by the stuff they claim it to be powered by.

21:27:47 mircea_popescu: if genuinely users were constricted by nonsensical rules which inept conservatives maintained out of sheer lunacy,

21:27:58 mircea_popescu: then they could always have done it properly, like above. heck, they still do.

21:28:51 mircea_popescu: "oh, millenium times" what the fuck derp argument is that. you get the same 25 btc for mining a block, here or there. each hash is worth the same.

21:29:08 ascii_field: a fork that doesn't switch workfunction is ipso facto a fraud

21:29:17 mircea_popescu: it COULD just switch genesis.

21:29:26 ascii_field: done umpteen times

21:29:33 ascii_field: gets difficultywanked to death.

21:29:37 mircea_popescu: perfectly valid fork that doesn't run into (the mostly valid) problem you raise.

21:29:42 BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> afaik you need 75% +2week for switch to work << 75% for just 1 week. Decides to fuck off faster than difficulty decides between anal and blow job.

21:29:46 mircea_popescu: nononon. nonononoNO!

21:29:51 mircea_popescu: new genesis, same difficulty.

21:30:08 ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> "oh, millenium times" what the fuck derp argument is that. you get the same 25 btc << can't transact!

21:30:17 mircea_popescu: you can, if you mine it.

21:30:27 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo yeah i wasnt clear, 75% over 1k blocks which is 1 week + 2week 'grace' period

21:30:30 kakobrekla: or what

21:30:39 kakobrekla: ;;google bip101

21:30:40 gribble: Stephen Pair on Twitter: "We support the adoption of BIP 101 for ...: https://twitter.com/spair/status/634174754879078400; Stephen Pair: BitPay supports the adoption of BIP 101 for increasing ...: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hod9r/stephen_pair_bitpay_supports_the_adoption_of_bip/; Blocktrail now shows pools supporting 8MB blocks and BIP101 ...: (1 more message)

21:30:43 mircea_popescu: !rated slush

21:30:43 assbot: You have not rated slush.

21:30:56 kakobrekla: ;;google bip101 github

21:30:57 gribble: BIP: 101 - GitHub: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0101.mediawiki; Implement BIP101: Increase maximum blocksize · Issue ... - GitHub: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6559; gavinandresen (Gavin Andresen) · GitHub: https://github.com/gavinandresen?tab=activity

21:31:05 mircea_popescu: !rate slush -10 fuckwit

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21:31:43 kakobrekla: wait bip101 is autherd by ga and suggest 8mb

21:31:46 ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> you can, if you mine it. << that requires - shudder - actual resources!

21:31:47 kakobrekla: wasnt there a 20mb version also

21:31:59 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla iirc they're at 133 mb now.

21:32:06 trinque: because why not

21:32:13 mircea_popescu: just numbers.

21:32:20 mircea_popescu: and you want a bigger amount of just number.

21:32:20 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that said, yes, people who disregard their own property can "mess around" with your property. for instance, a guy that doesn't give a shit about his 50k car can drive it through your front door. << Incidently used care prices are finally returning to "normal" pre-Obola-cash-for-clunkers depreciation curve. Thousand dollar cars are a thing again. Soon it will probably be possible to acquire a car capable of providi

21:32:20 BingoBoingo: ng its own motion for three digits again. Thank you China!

21:33:03 mircea_popescu: this is how you plan to make your boat ?

21:33:48 mircea_popescu: ascii_field obviously. i'm just saying, you know, here's where the shore is. for all the puddles pretending to be rivers.

21:34:25 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nah, it's where mars is.

21:34:29 ascii_field: yes, we know where.

21:34:32 ascii_field: now buy me a ticket.

21:36:06 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:36:33 mircea_popescu: punkman http://dpaste.com/2YG643G

21:36:35 assbot: dpaste: 2YG643G ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsMnVn )

21:36:35 mircea_popescu: now what.

21:37:11 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it robs whitespace.

21:37:16 ascii_field: capriciously, maliciously.

21:37:20 mircea_popescu: hey, he made a statement.

21:37:22 ascii_field: because tards.

21:37:39 punkman: mircea_popescu: you added newlines?

21:37:55 mircea_popescu: well you can readily see what i added, it's all in there

21:38:38 punkman: I don't see trailing spaces/tabs/etc

21:38:57 mircea_popescu: the text reads "append as many trailing spaces/tabs/CRs as you like to the clearsigned text"

21:39:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00069714 = 7.808 BTC [+]

21:39:22 ascii_field: briefly back to earlier thread, i hypothesize that is s-bomb falls, the 'counter-bomb' is a schelling point.

21:39:42 mircea_popescu: about as pointy as litecoin.

21:40:03 ascii_field: i, for instance, am not any more thrilled about satoshi's blocks being spendable than a german in 1945 was re: the trotyl that hitler ordered planted on everything worth half a broken pfenning

21:40:21 ascii_field: (not carried out, because they weren't morons..)

21:40:26 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i thought you had no money, what do you care.

21:40:33 ascii_field: i want a dead usg.

21:40:41 ascii_field: there is exactly one weapon.

21:40:54 mircea_popescu: lol simmar down

21:41:04 mircea_popescu: fucking lettuce's a weapon.,

21:41:18 ascii_field: if thrown well!

21:41:25 mircea_popescu: "does it grow on dead body ? " "ayep" "then it's dangerous weapon for usg"

21:42:22 ascii_field: it also occurs to me that an anti-bombed bitcoin is only a hardfork ~if~ the bomb falls.

21:43:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245331 << mebbe a blessing, this. sometimes mine takes 3 hours, i'm on like the fifth cup of very milky capuccino...

21:43:22 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 12:05:32; jurov: interesting how my brunch, coffee and b-a time so often falls into time where channel is silent

21:43:56 ascii_field: when i wrote that essay, and there was no positive reaction to it, i concluded that bitcoin users are just too fond of fellating the invisible cock of the anonymous microshit vs wizard, to care half a damn

21:44:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245346 << amusingly, people don't tend to do that much.

21:44:23 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:16:47; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245242 << can't wait for the 'i am usg stoolie and will be stoned to death if $leak is leaked'

21:44:54 mircea_popescu: ascii_field there are two undistinguishable reasons for silent answer. one's that no one heard.

21:46:45 ascii_field: nah, enough folks heard.

21:47:08 ascii_field: but reaction was, unsurprisingly, 'this is satanic'

21:47:46 ascii_field: hell, i don't find it esp. appetizing, either.

21:47:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245360 << yeah well, allow me to welcome youy in the wonderful world of soviet bureaucracy. the guns were delivered at kiev. the men were delivered at odessa. the ammunition was left behind. inexplicably, the front fell.

21:47:49 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:20:14; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about. << Gavin's eariler marketing campaign made this autumn the latest they could do this.

21:51:32 punkman: mircea_popescu: I was wrong on the CR part, not sure on the exact set of whitespace chars it will happily eat, but it's probably more than tabs and spaces. example: http://dpaste.com/18QBJJY.txt

21:51:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9p7IZ )

21:51:43 mircea_popescu: yeah agreed punkman

21:51:54 mircea_popescu: just making the point that it's fucking impossible to predict wtf it does

21:51:58 mircea_popescu: much what alf was sayin

21:52:09 punkman: you can convert between \r, \r\n and \n without problems though

21:52:57 mircea_popescu: still, these perfectly valid technical objections aside - signed is deeply inferior to clearsigned. this is a fact, and it won't change.

21:53:07 mircea_popescu: the correct solution is to reimplement pgp and make it behave re clearsign.

21:53:12 punkman: I was also trying to make a point about the |GPG| prefix being useless

21:53:45 mircea_popescu: well, no. it works as intended : if you extract all the prefixed lines and wipe the prefix, you get the original text.

21:54:01 punkman: it'd have worked with dashes just as well

21:54:14 mircea_popescu: no, because diff creates --- lines

21:54:17 mircea_popescu: which turn into - ---

21:54:32 punkman: so you remove "- " instead of "|GPG|".

21:54:42 mircea_popescu: and it's necessarily safe to s/|GPG|// than to s/- //

21:54:42 BingoBoingo: lolipinos https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hrijf/in_no_less_than_six_years_of_block_size_increases/

21:54:43 assbot: In no less than six years of block size increases XTCoin would be a defanged and impotent caricature of actual Bitcoin. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9pvHs )

21:55:38 mircea_popescu: "This shit from Mircea and friends is incomprehensible. And probably exactly wrong."

21:55:52 mircea_popescu: yeah, that's how it works. totally/

21:56:06 BingoBoingo: Even though it links to all the times Mircea was right and doesn't have Mircea on the byline

21:57:15 mircea_popescu: it's still probably exactly wrong!!!

21:59:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00068615 = 25.0445 BTC [-] {3}

22:02:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.0006987 = 24.8737 BTC [+]

22:05:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4972 @ 0.00068014 = 3.3817 BTC [-] {2}

22:06:52 mircea_popescu: anwyay, this is a perfectly fine time to move hashing away from slush, if anyone was looking.

22:07:02 mircea_popescu: "good guys" gotta at some point comprehend the jwz future is no future.

22:07:33 mircea_popescu: let him be "oh, that xt pool operator" and hang with it.

22:08:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.0006984 = 23.8853 BTC [+] {5}

22:09:03 BingoBoingo: I was kinda iffy about him with the whole Trezor thing

22:10:12 mircea_popescu: oh that shit still exists even ?

22:11:40 BingoBoingo: Not really sure

22:14:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110000 @ 0.00067282 = 74.0102 BTC [-] {6}

22:16:41 jurov: kakobrekla/mike_c , is there any public source for mpex trades (other than mpex.coinbr.com) that does not mutilate data?

22:17:07 kakobrekla: i have one

22:17:23 jurov: live.coinbr.com i mean

22:17:49 jurov: well, i was troubleshooting coinbr transaction "2015-08-19T22:31:42+00:00", B 53950, "S.MPOE" @ 68266 but it got put together with others and then published in channel

22:18:17 jurov: and say i wanted to convince coinbr customer that yes, it happened

22:18:49 mircea_popescu: why would customer need convincing ?

22:21:02 jurov: cuz i must still occassionally fix coinbr history

22:21:51 mircea_popescu: yes but traditionally the way broker works is that he allocates his trades. so... you say it happened, you have a block it could have happenbed in, that's it.

22:22:29 kakobrekla: http://query.bitcoin-assets.com/?data=trades&since=1440023481 first line

22:22:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9teop )

22:23:29 jurov: kakobrekla: wow.

22:23:50 kakobrekla: what

22:25:45 jurov: !s uery.bitcoin-assets.com

22:25:46 assbot: 0 results for 'uery.bitcoin-assets.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=uery.bitcoin-assets.com

22:25:50 jurov: !s query.bitcoin-assets.com

22:25:51 assbot: 1 results for 'query.bitcoin-assets.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=query.bitcoin-assets.com

22:26:06 kakobrekla: i didnt publish the link really.

22:26:08 jurov: nothing, i just had no idea

22:29:18 *: jurov 's gonna dictionary ping *.bitcoin-assets.com to see if there's more :D

22:29:32 jurov: ;;isup bait.bitcoin-assets.com

22:29:33 gribble: bait.bitcoin-assets.com is up

22:29:39 jurov: wut???

22:29:44 mircea_popescu: lmao

22:32:01 jurov: it's wildcard record.. duh

22:37:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245376 << which is why the only possible answers are violence or submission, which is why the inane bitching on social media sounds just like she's playing coy but enjoyed it, and which is also why "a society without violence" can not in point of fact function.

22:37:04 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:35:55; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245271 << this is not an 'urgent message' but a 'lowering ritual.'

22:39:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245396 << imo it's just a leftover magic thinking thing. "oh if i keep the kid's name a secret evil witches can't steal his soul".

22:39:39 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:57:50; asciilifeform: what's wrong with NAMES ?

22:41:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.0007016 = 19.4343 BTC [+]

22:41:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245446 << well, it wasn't really his car. think of the us more in terms of a casino. he was allowed one spin on the casino's car, and then if he wanted another spin he had to give them another ticket.

22:41:18 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 14:26:53; mike_c: so, Jared drives to the prostitute, gets busted, and has to pay the feds not to seize the car he drove there in?

22:43:15 mats: http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy-policy/2015/08/20/futures-slump-as-investors-continue-to-parse-fed-minutes

22:43:16 assbot: Wall Street Selloff: S&P Joins Dow in Negative Territory for '15 | Fox Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsYdPl )

22:44:06 mircea_popescu: "I think we should put users first." << oh, but we are. because poor people ARE NOT bitcoin users. by definition.

22:44:32 mircea_popescu: we aren't putting ghetto meat first. let the usg have that, they earned it.

22:45:51 mircea_popescu: incidentally, the only possible definition of "middle class" is, "what's left of the poor fucks once the rich fucks are done raping their daughters and shooting their sons for sport."

22:46:03 mircea_popescu: you can't have a middle class unless the poor class is being squished underfoot.

22:46:18 mats: YHOO: -3.10%, TSLA: -5.12%, BABA: -3.83%, AMZN: -3.22%, AAPL: -2.05%, BOX: -2.31%, FB: -.98%, SCTY: -4.47%, ZNGA: -2.33%, GOOG: -2.13%

22:46:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5958 @ 0.00068358 = 4.0728 BTC [-]

22:46:30 mats: le pummeling

22:46:34 mircea_popescu: aww. so much less russias they could buy.

22:46:47 mats: correction, FB: -4.98%

22:46:47 mircea_popescu: !t m s.mpoe

22:46:48 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067172 / 0.00069087 / 0.00071459 (2635190 shares, 1,820.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00060969 / 0.00070717 / 0.0007991 (14054424 shares, 9,938.99 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00058091 / 0.0007991 (83785547 shares, 48,672.49 BTC)

22:47:19 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00068358/0.00069087

22:47:19 gribble: 0.989448087194

22:47:25 mircea_popescu: mpoe only down 1%!

22:47:56 mircea_popescu: znga for fucks sake.

22:48:13 mircea_popescu: i look at that index and i'm like... hey, nice, simcity 2015.

22:48:36 mats: :)

22:49:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245481 << what are you trying to accomplish ?

22:49:08 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 15:35:39; funkenstein_: kinda why i have been wasting resources on this thing: http://coin-vote.com/poll/557573b91ce32f881a045135

22:51:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245510 << the consensus seems to be that the us will end under a hail of "don't thread on me" folk. it's what chomsy thinks but daren't say, it's what the various judges think which is why they come out with all the lulzy pretense of "systematic" discussion etc.

22:51:04 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 16:50:56; ascii_field: (could easily be wholly fictional, but, in the immortal words of tlp: 'if you're reading it, it's for you')

22:51:15 mircea_popescu: i'm unconvinced, but who knows.

22:51:45 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:51:52 *: ascii_field mega-unconvinced

22:51:55 ascii_field: because the 'don'

22:52:07 ascii_field: t tread' folks have collective 'iq' of 3.

22:52:10 mircea_popescu: don ?

22:52:19 mircea_popescu: i dunno about that.

22:52:30 ascii_field: wake me up when they stop 'death ray'ing.

22:52:43 ascii_field: and start pgp.

22:52:53 mircea_popescu: this is completely unrelated.

22:52:59 ascii_field: mno.

22:53:13 ascii_field: mega-related. no pgp, no wot. no wot, eaten alive by influence agents and provocateurs.

22:53:16 mircea_popescu: understand : the ability of the usg to continue strictly lays in the fiction called "lawful order".

22:53:31 mircea_popescu: if the odds for a policeman being answered with bullets are ~0%, there can be a country.

22:53:40 mircea_popescu: if the odds increase past a very tiny epsilon, there can not be a country.

22:53:58 mircea_popescu: this is strictly true irrespective of any other consideration, and the epsilon can even be calculated quite well.

22:54:03 ascii_field: then chechnya. which isn't a long-term affair.

22:54:11 mircea_popescu: not necessarily.

22:54:20 mircea_popescu: chechnya, in chechnya. romania, in romania. etc.

22:54:30 ascii_field: modern ro is a somalia ?

22:54:33 ascii_field: or no ?

22:54:36 mircea_popescu: "then us finally gets to meet its destiny".

22:54:39 ascii_field: what % bullet ?

22:54:51 mircea_popescu: modern ro is kinda what the us aspires to be. and at the point where that happened, about 3%.

22:55:12 ascii_field: no, what % ~today~

22:55:17 mircea_popescu: and the next day, people had to hide the police from the mob, like they were jews suddenly.

22:55:20 mircea_popescu: today ? why today ?

22:55:29 ascii_field: re: whether long-term thing or no

22:55:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80850 @ 0.00067702 = 54.7371 BTC [-] {4}

22:55:43 mircea_popescu: quite long term.

22:55:56 ascii_field: anyway usa is on the zimbabwe track not the ro track

22:56:03 mircea_popescu: nah, us is going to turn into argentina.

22:56:05 ascii_field: it'll be a 'colour' thing.

22:56:13 ascii_field: with at least 3 colours

22:56:15 mircea_popescu: in fact this country is quite exactly the future of the us, almost to the last dash.

22:56:26 mircea_popescu: and the funny thing is - the usians won't even know it.

22:56:54 ascii_field: hard to know things when dead

22:56:57 mircea_popescu: they'll just sue the chinese in a chinese court protesting that the chinese arew forcing them to pay bonds as they promised to pay,

22:57:03 mircea_popescu: and won't even realise anything's amiss.

22:57:19 mircea_popescu: will discuss their debates, whatever, "race", "women" bla bla. much like the locals do soccer.

22:57:38 ascii_field: that is done already?

22:57:40 mircea_popescu: heck, i can almost see it, "Key West Is American"

22:57:49 mircea_popescu: buncha veterans of the lost war on lawn of white house,

22:58:00 mircea_popescu: ascii_field hence my "locals won't even know it"./

22:59:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245518 << i thought ls was the problem.

22:59:10 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 16:56:49; ascii_field: and is our latest discovery that 'diff' is UNFATHOMABLY retarded ?!

23:00:38 ascii_field: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/diffutils.git/tree/src/dir.c

23:00:39 assbot: diffutils.git - GNU diff and patch utilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmStmt )

23:00:54 ascii_field: ^ does not invoke 'ls' internally (who is surprised?!)

23:01:24 mircea_popescu: o.O

23:01:29 mircea_popescu: why ther fuck would it not

23:02:00 ascii_field: because.

23:02:02 mircea_popescu: dude it's almost as if everyone using computers before was just you know, playing.

23:02:06 ascii_field: 'what if ls is retarded?!'

23:02:12 ascii_field: 'whaddayathink this is, plan9?'

23:02:15 mircea_popescu: "what, someone will one day want bitwise identity on outputs ?!? AHAHAHAHAWUT"

23:02:15 ascii_field: or go ask rms

23:02:18 ascii_field: (author)

23:02:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32121 @ 0.00067065 = 21.5419 BTC [-] {3}

23:02:51 mircea_popescu: i am seriously persuaded that not a single "programmer" alive until 2010 ever realised that yes, bitwise identity is a thing.

23:02:53 ascii_field: gcc 4.8.0 20120825; see

23:02:53 ascii_field: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-diffutils/2012-08/msg00007.html.

23:02:53 ascii_field: */

23:02:55 ascii_field: ^ l0l!!!!

23:03:01 mircea_popescu: fucking openssl dispolays the issue.

23:03:06 *: ascii_field realized

23:03:08 mircea_popescu: but i mean it's universal by now.

23:03:10 mircea_popescu: talk about fucking bit rot.

23:03:12 *: ascii_field in ~2004-ish

23:03:41 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i tell you, trying to convince sopmeone to not mentally s/programmer/monkey/ is a very hard task.

23:04:32 mircea_popescu: it's as if bitcoin suddenly raised the bar for programming computers and now most everyone's too short to play.

23:04:43 mircea_popescu: "wait, THAT is what computers were for ?! all these years!"

23:04:55 mircea_popescu: !up ahmed_bodi

23:05:06 ahmed_bodi: thank you

23:05:11 mircea_popescu: aha. who're you ?

23:05:18 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: wake me up when time for adacoin.

23:05:22 *: ascii_field bbl

23:05:39 mircea_popescu: you sleep too much!

23:05:51 ahmed_bodi: Occasional trader. remember trading with a few people here. lost my PGP? key so i cant auth with assbot myself anymore

23:05:58 mircea_popescu: bad move.

23:06:06 mircea_popescu: !down ahmed_bodi

23:11:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245604 << actually a dr-dos version would be pretty cool. in fact i would guess an attempt to write private bitcoinfs and make dr-dos check blocks and an attempt to ada-bitcoin would necessarily end with a very similar if not outright identical product.

23:11:28 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:30:08; kakobrekla: msdos really best of doses ?

23:13:04 mircea_popescu: wait. pd-dos was the os one not dr-dos.

23:14:52 mircea_popescu: ah ok nm, furher down in teh logs huh.

23:15:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245619 << lol win

23:15:39 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:48:57; ascii_field: 'the cuckening'

23:16:43 shinohai: Many testicles will be crushed.

23:16:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245638 << a ton of uncut cocaine, more than the collected body of us sluts in the proper age could snort anyway.

23:16:55 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 19:10:43; ascii_field: 'Update: The US Coast Guard informed me that the 16,000 pounds of cocaine seized during the July 18 semi-submersible bust has been changed to 14,000 pounds, due to a "quantity mistake" in their initial report. This story has been changed to reflect that correction' << 2,000 for obamitler's cellar

23:18:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245641 << except this is how it works, always and everywhere. /me doth not know a time or a place where it was different. including the early days of the us revolutionary movement, or the days the menshevic faction had the upper hand, or any other time.

23:18:11 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 19:11:48; trinque: must be something else to be able to be that brazen and *know* not a soul will know or care

23:18:38 mircea_popescu: this because "the people" have no proper function in government, and unlike the aspie 14%, the people know this well enough.

23:18:43 mircea_popescu: hence nixon's "silent majority" etc.

23:20:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245669 << what a great image!

23:20:41 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 19:54:59; ascii_field: it's kinda like using a branding iron on a snake

23:20:57 mircea_popescu: is it me or has alf's figurative speech improved markedly past year or two

23:26:40 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> talk about fucking bit rot. << 8 way RAID 1 mirrors are starting to get really appearing just as Bitrot prevention

23:27:07 mircea_popescu: most bitrot is man made

23:27:50 BingoBoingo: Of course. I's just like to kill the Cawsmax Ray excuse

23:28:53 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is it me or has alf's figurative speech improved markedly past year or two << like his work I imagine also fueled by his hatred

23:36:08 BingoBoingo: scoopbot_revived fetch

23:36:58 scooprot: http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/

23:36:59 assbot: Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )

23:38:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you'll have to blockquote code snippets tho

23:38:38 BingoBoingo: Ah, lemme go in

23:39:50 mircea_popescu: his true malfeasance and loyalties come to light under superficial examination.

23:40:23 BingoBoingo: K, thestringpuller isn't getting shares from Hearn's code

23:40:34 mircea_popescu: "his true loyalties and thinly disguised malfeasance are apparent even under the most superficial examination" ?

23:40:45 mircea_popescu: or in any case that closer's broken

23:42:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14451 @ 0.0007016 = 10.1388 BTC [+]

23:43:27 BingoBoingo: ah

23:45:08 BingoBoingo: Should be fixed and in the I can't even department http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-police-officer-describes-heartbreak-of-fatal-shooting-of-/article_bb249529-3870-5ae1-83da-8545f4a6773e.html Yet they burned a chunk of North St Last night for the kid who ran out of a crack house

23:45:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EG3tWI )

23:45:55 BingoBoingo: Gawker of course has a piece on Homeboy fleeing the crackhouse and eating pig lead

23:46:44 mircea_popescu: is this the nyfd shooting or something else

23:47:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00068949 = 12.5487 BTC [-]

23:48:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah. Two St Louis shootings. One was Ferguson hoodrats shot through a house killing a nine year old with a stray bullet. The other was StL PD shooting a fleeing innocent youth.

23:48:43 BingoBoingo: Just another innocent youth running from the crack house

23:50:25 mircea_popescu: in somewhat other news, https://archive.is/OK7hr

23:50:28 assbot: El Gran' Teatro Argentino - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1EG3WrQ )

23:51:02 mircea_popescu: above clarin, above trip advisor, above wikipedia, fraudsters UBER ALLES!

23:52:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21939 @ 0.00066998 = 14.6987 BTC [-]

23:52:54 ag3nt_zer0: hello all

23:55:45 mircea_popescu: how goes