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00:01:37 kakobrekla: ah thats old stuf

00:01:38 kakobrekla: f

00:03:06 Namworld: "Nefario" was STILL around?

00:04:21 cazalla: don't remember hearing anything or anyone mentioning he left/was pushed from coinfloor

00:04:33 ben_vulpes: am i reading this (https://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/miniupnpc) correctly? debian backports only has miniupnpc-1.5?

00:05:04 Namworld: I wasn't aware he was staying in the space when he axed GLBSE.

00:06:42 ben_vulpes: it would be expedient to download miniupnpc 1.6 from http://miniupnp.free.fr/files/ but what do to prevent mitm of that source?

00:06:42 assbot: MiniUPnP download zone

00:09:08 mats_cd03: fivezerotwo: youre gonna have to burn a 0day, if you even have access to those, mate

00:09:38 fivezerotwo: mats_cd03, totes will burn a 0day on this

00:10:10 mats_cd03: youre a cool dude for messing with people that lead public lives on the internets

00:10:15 mats_cd03: fo reals

00:15:55 fivezerotwo: so qntra has nice servers and nice inbound pipes

00:16:30 fivezerotwo: don't worry, there are plenty of less protected targets ;_;

00:18:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As requested http://qntra.net/2014/10/daniel-j-bernstein-speeks-on-keeping-crypto-insecure/

00:18:16 assbot: Daniel J Bernstein Speaks on Keeping Crypto Insecure | Qntra.net

00:22:21 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

00:22:22 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 387.79, Best ask: 388.65, Bid-ask spread: 0.86000, Last trade: 387.85, 24 hour volume: 3180.14467158, 24 hour low: 385.0, 24 hour high: 394.25, 24 hour vwap: 389.421666807

00:25:38 kakobrekla: space missing in the last paragraph before 'Set'

00:26:17 BingoBoingo: ty

00:27:39 BingoBoingo: fxd

00:31:39 jurov: Nefario said: Once you've been labelled a scammer, people are encouraged to deal with you << lol I missed "not" at first

00:32:21 kakobrekla: missed a not, or not?

00:32:27 jurov: both

00:32:50 jurov: ben_vulpes: you really ned upnp? just axe it in da makefile

00:32:58 jurov: *need

00:33:37 ben_vulpes: jurov: i'm just trying to build 0.6.3 the way it seems to want building

00:34:01 jurov: follow its desires?

00:35:17 jurov: you'd prefer to whip it in shape,eventually add -fstack-protector if you got decent compiler

00:39:06 mircea_popescu: danke bb

00:40:58 mircea_popescu: <Namworld> "Nefario" was STILL around? << yes, the "foundation" scammer group is looking after its own

00:41:07 mircea_popescu: from marquardt and mccarthy to kenna etc.

00:42:06 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

00:42:11 jborkl: Thank you

00:42:14 mircea_popescu: <fivezerotwo> so qntra has nice servers and nice inbound pipes <fivezerotwo> mats_cd03, totes will burn a 0day on this << i suppose this is the ultimate endorsement or something ?

00:42:52 jborkl: So, there are two companies going btc belly up I have never even heard of

00:42:53 BingoBoingo: Seems to be

00:43:06 jborkl: Bittrader and moolah?

00:43:06 BingoBoingo: jborkl: Which ones?

00:43:26 BingoBoingo: Moolah's in Doge

00:43:38 jborkl: One bankrupted the other , ala week and bitfunder

00:43:45 BingoBoingo: Oh

00:43:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in light of what i previously explained about botnets, it is difficult to calculate the actual value of a particular 0day.

00:43:49 jborkl: Ohh, no wonder

00:44:22 asciilifeform: rather like trying to come up with value for stolen painting.

00:44:44 asciilifeform: is it - what owner paid? what the 'fence' will get, on the blackmarket? what the fence will pay you?

00:45:32 jborkl: I guess moolah had a codind error that allowed you withdraw double what you deposited

00:45:40 jborkl: Coding

00:45:42 asciilifeform: very few people are equipped to safely monetize an 0day in person.

00:45:57 mats_cd03: b-but, he's willing to sign an address with 1000btc in it

00:46:12 asciilifeform: he could've earned it with honest work!

00:46:23 asciilifeform: whatascam

00:46:42 mats_cd03: ill be impressed if he can compromise irccloud and dox me

00:47:08 asciilifeform: what counts as 'dox' ?

00:47:16 assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4

00:47:32 mats_cd03: my slave name would be a start, but i suppose thats a fuzzy thing.

00:47:35 BingoBoingo: dick pics

00:48:03 mats_cd03: !up ninjashogun 20:47:42 <ninjashogun> I have an important convo to pastebin with fivezerotwo

00:48:08 ninjashogun: thx

00:48:08 ninjashogun: http://pastebin.com/BjRNZBk1

00:48:08 assbot: <fivezerotwo> hello <ninjashogun> hi <fivezerotwo> are you looking for investm - Pastebin.com

00:48:13 ninjashogun: see bottom 3 lines

00:49:05 ninjashogun: I just notice htat he's also being discussed in channel here now. (Someone pointed this out to me.) At first I assumed MP to have paid for this out of some weird strategy (since I came to MP with a small project recently, maybe he wanted to know if I still needed small amounts of money, etc.) But I thought you guys should see it.

00:49:08 jurov: so i came to the systemd stuff in the lawgs .. and

00:49:16 jurov: ;;isup lists.debian.org

00:49:20 gribble: lists.debian.org is down

00:49:24 jurov: ^^^

00:49:32 mats_cd03: i appreciate the contribution to drama ninjashogun

00:49:52 mats_cd03: lol dude operates a mixer.

00:50:19 ninjashogun: I was just referring to the bottom lines. <fivezerotwo> im just trolling you dude <fivezerotwo> we're being paid to troll you (and then he disconnected)

00:50:38 ninjashogun: Anyway it's not how anyone does business. Please don't do this.

00:51:52 BingoBoingo: Well he's DOS'ing stuff from in here so he's probably getting paid by someone from elsewhere

00:52:07 ninjashogun: nobody would pay anyone to troll me from anywhere except here :)

00:52:16 ninjashogun: anyway this is what I wrote MP on the subject - http://pastebin.com/VHQ4XyzA (via PM just now)

00:52:16 assbot: <ninjashogun> If you have anyhting to do with this (see bottom of conversatoin) - Pastebin.com

00:52:48 ninjashogun: Do you guys know what his other WoT rating was that he referred to?

00:52:54 ninjashogun: I mean other WoT nick?

00:52:58 mats_cd03: man, if hes being paid to troll, 10USD is not nearly enough for a ddos

00:53:03 ninjashogun: (for the record, I just have this one.)

00:53:06 jurov: no, it's nobody from here. as i wrote just above, indices lead to lennart poettering

00:53:13 undata: "and a ninja like me." haaa

00:53:21 asciilifeform: jurov: !?

00:53:23 jurov: it's revenge for us bashing the systemd

00:53:28 ninjashogun: oh I forgot I wrote that lol but yeah.

00:53:43 jurov: ;;isup lists.debian.org

00:53:43 ninjashogun: anyway carry on guys.

00:53:46 gribble: lists.debian.org is down

00:53:48 ninjashogun: !down ninjashogun

00:54:30 kakobrekla: well

00:54:34 kakobrekla: that was painful.

00:54:49 jurov: asciilifeform today's log says debian's supposedly voting to allow compatibility outside systemd

00:54:55 jurov: hence, ddos

00:55:03 asciilifeform: aha

00:55:15 asciilifeform: systemd cancer is pretty advanced though

00:55:25 BingoBoingo: %d

00:55:26 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1496584.23 in 1911 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 218.73

00:55:39 asciilifeform: not enough to simply vote at debian, its tendrils will have to be painfully and surgically excised from 1000 places.

00:55:52 jurov: i'm sure they will include some ddos functionality into systemd bery soon

00:55:58 jurov: *very

00:58:04 kakobrekla: that? i remain skeptic.

01:00:46 BingoBoingo: %p

01:00:49 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 15700.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 47.27 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.75 TH/s

01:01:03 BingoBoingo: O hai diff drop

01:03:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19963 @ 0.00073769 = 14.7265 BTC [-] {2}

01:04:02 mod6: woah

01:04:04 mod6: %d

01:04:05 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1606600.93 in 1900 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 242.16

01:04:09 mod6: pff

01:06:58 asciilifeform: from loltron: http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/10/dallas-hospital-had-ebola-screening-machine-military-using-africa/96713

01:06:59 assbot: Dallas Hospital Had the Ebola Screening Machine That the Military Is Using in Africa - Defense One

01:08:10 mike_c: %p

01:08:12 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8174.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 52.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.69 TH/s

01:08:26 mike_c: 60+ th/s?

01:08:32 undata: asciilifeform: "but government guidelines prevent hospitals from using it to actually screen for Ebola." whaaaaa

01:08:37 Apocalyptic: yeah... the guy is back again

01:08:40 asciilifeform: !s aids test

01:08:40 assbot: 2 results for 'aids test' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=aids+test

01:08:44 asciilifeform: same deal

01:08:58 asciilifeform: search fail

01:09:13 asciilifeform: same deal re: pocket-sized instant aids tester that fda also banned.

01:10:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#588670

01:10:30 assbot: Logged on 28-03-2014 16:21:08; asciilifeform: when the usg banned the instant 'hiv' tester device, the argument, if i recall, was that people would kill themselves on learning the result, if no surrounded by government-approved shrinks

01:10:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#588705

01:10:58 assbot: Logged on 28-03-2014 16:25:38; asciilifeform: (SRAM with immunoreactant crap permanently bonded to the capacitors)

01:11:04 asciilifeform: see remainder of thread.

01:11:04 undata: "The FDA may not authorize the use of a diagnostic test before reviewing data about its performance in detecting Ebola virus in human specimens and determining that the standard for authorization is met."

01:11:34 undata: wouldn't... *using the thing* collect the data relevant to judging its performance?

01:12:06 asciilifeform: usg wants you in one of '3 d-s' - despondent, dependent, or dead.

01:15:15 undata: asciilifeform: "On October 10th, the FDA has granted emergency use authorization to three screening system called Ebola Zaire Target1, which was also developed with help from the Defense Department" << BioFire just isn't in the in-group, I'd wager

01:15:24 asciilifeform: evidently.

01:15:49 asciilifeform: this is, to an extent, a rerun of the anthrax thing.

01:16:57 kakobrekla: <Apocalyptic> yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping

01:21:33 BingoBoingo: !up technoboy

01:21:49 technoboy: whats up people how u chillen?

01:22:50 technoboy: !s bible

01:22:51 assbot: 105 results for 'bible' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bible

01:22:59 asciilifeform: !down technoboy

01:23:05 asciilifeform: ferglubssake.

01:25:34 mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> my slave name would be a start, but i suppose thats a fuzzy thing. << silly thing to put a price on. sort-of like making teens think losing their virginity is a big fucking deal.

01:25:45 mircea_popescu: it isn't, and they get caught all up in that process as if it were something.

01:26:16 mircea_popescu: <assbot> <fivezerotwo> hello <ninjashogun> hi <fivezerotwo> are you looking for investm <<< ahahahaha wut.

01:27:28 mircea_popescu: <jurov> hence, ddos << well, correlation, anyway.

01:28:03 mats_cd03: i suppose better dox would be ssn, physical addr, phone number, banking info, and data on people in my RL WoT

01:28:10 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> thps ?!?!

01:28:29 BingoBoingo: %p

01:28:32 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8253.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 60.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s

01:28:38 mats_cd03: could try ruining my credit but i don't care about that

01:28:38 BingoBoingo: What it looks like

01:29:09 BingoBoingo: %v

01:29:10 mircea_popescu: undata> wouldn't... *using the thing* collect the data relevant to judging its performance? << YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS PUTIN!

01:29:11 atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 190 Ask: 255 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 193

01:29:43 mircea_popescu: !up technoboy

01:29:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20613 @ 0.00073935 = 15.2402 BTC [+]

01:29:56 mircea_popescu: o oops my bad

01:30:12 technoboy: yay i am voiced again ^_^

01:30:30 mircea_popescu: technoboy accidentally. don't be stupid again

01:30:36 mats_cd03: id be rly impressed if he could manage dox seeing as how i pay up my bouncer with a prepaid card

01:31:01 kakobrekla: do you even know who you are?

01:31:11 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/18N41WH.txt )

01:31:11 asciilifeform: !b 2

01:31:11 mircea_popescu: not even his wife knows who he is!!!

01:31:18 mircea_popescu: that's why she's stuck fucking all comers

01:31:24 mats_cd03: :(

01:31:41 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 not you. someone else.

01:33:08 mats_cd03: i do my best not to think about the dongs that have been in my wife

01:35:08 mircea_popescu: Almost all AES implementations use fast lookup tables. <<< o, what ever could be the problem with lookup tables wink wink

01:36:15 asciilifeform: gotta keep the s-boxes around, or regenerate on demand. tertium non datur

01:36:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall this was discussed in here.

01:36:51 asciilifeform: aye

01:37:26 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821772

01:37:28 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2014 18:02:43; mircea_popescu: in practice it's used as an aes hole. but yes.

01:39:12 mircea_popescu: aslo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833873

01:39:13 assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 17:18:46; mike_c: um, what about what everybody else does. lookup table.

01:39:27 mircea_popescu: it even got bashed!

01:39:45 BingoBoingo: %tslb

01:39:47 atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46539): 0 hour(s), 0 minutes

01:39:57 BingoBoingo: %d

01:39:57 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2110783.64 in 1844 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 349.54

01:40:13 *: asciilifeform not entirely surprised to discover poetteringisms in: 'mplayer', 'firefox', a number of other packages

01:40:22 asciilifeform: advanced metastasis.

01:40:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cute.

01:42:46 mircea_popescu: !up josevelez

01:45:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00073887 = 15.036 BTC [-] {3}

01:46:11 mircea_popescu: What if the terrorists hear about fast secure crypto? Yikes! Similar to constant-time story. Don?t standardize good crypto. Discourage use of good crypto. If the good crypto persists, try to bury it behind a huge menu of bad options. Advertise ?cryptographic agility?; actually cryptographic fragility. Pretend that this ?agility? justifies using breakable crypto.

01:46:12 mircea_popescu: heh.

01:46:37 mircea_popescu: here's the scoop : if the usg does not standardize good crypto, mp WILL. and the result wil be that mp's standards will drive the nist out of the market.

01:46:55 asciilifeform: i still can't fathom why they're not having their muppets push the 'all this derp is because they really broke rsa in the '90s' angle.

01:46:59 mircea_popescu: no amount of thumbing nose and general pretense is going to help. mpxxx will drive usgxxx anything out of the market. period and full stop.

01:47:03 asciilifeform: i would utterly do this in their place.

01:47:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75504 @ 0.00073554 = 55.5362 BTC [-] {4}

01:47:08 mircea_popescu: there are NO degrees of liberty left for the evil government, in any field.

01:49:58 mircea_popescu: %v

01:49:59 atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 255 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64

01:55:12 asciilifeform: https://github.com/fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home (thanks to diametric)

01:55:12 assbot: fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home GitHub

01:55:17 mircea_popescu: %p

01:55:19 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10658.51 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 63.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s

01:55:20 asciilifeform: ^ for anyone who is stuck with that os

01:55:22 mircea_popescu: heh.

01:55:42 asciilifeform: doesn't actually fix anything, contrary to the implication in the url.

01:55:49 asciilifeform: 'dismal science.'

01:56:11 undata: asciilifeform: that only fixes the one that's a "feature" if I recall

01:56:25 asciilifeform: just removes some of the anal anaesthetic applied by apple during first penetration

01:56:48 diametric: assbot: i think the fix-macos part of the url is more of a plea

01:56:52 diametric: dammit tab.

01:56:57 diametric: asciilifeform: ^

01:56:58 asciilifeform: diametric: whole mess of rumination re: 'docker' earlier today.

01:57:07 asciilifeform: diametric: couldn't help but think of you

01:57:12 diametric: asciilifeform: hm?

01:57:26 asciilifeform: log works again, see there.

01:57:30 mike_c: %m

01:57:31 atcbot: [ATC Mined] Current: 23835136 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 8.88

01:57:34 asciilifeform: !s docker

01:57:35 assbot: 57 results for 'docker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=docker

01:57:45 mircea_popescu: %v

01:57:46 atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 254 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64

01:57:57 mike_c: 24m atc in existence. took 2m to take price to 1

01:58:17 mircea_popescu: mike_c it's dead tho.

01:58:34 mike_c: atc? shit, guess i gotta read logs faster.

01:58:55 kakobrekla: wait what?

01:59:11 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << twas on fraudsters months ago neh ?

01:59:11 assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:00:11 diametric: asciilifeform: is there an incident that started the discussion? all i see here is a lot of "using docker insecurely is insecure."

02:00:30 asciilifeform: not sure, and can't really comment

02:00:36 *: asciilifeform is innocent of docker

02:00:46 diametric: running processes as root requires root. news at 11.

02:01:07 mircea_popescu: diametric maybe it was my question, originally. ie, why would you add more to the list.

02:01:08 kakobrekla: so i was right? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2014#884271

02:01:10 assbot: Logged on 20-10-2014 01:16:57; kakobrekla: <Apocalyptic> yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping

02:01:27 diametric: mircea_popescu: to which list are you referring?

02:01:28 asciilifeform: if i recall there was some vague rumour of an escape for it.

02:01:40 mircea_popescu: diametric> running processes as root requires root. news at 11. <<

02:02:03 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yah

02:02:12 kakobrekla: im amazing

02:02:12 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:02:25 mike_c: somehow i misunderstood based on bingo's continued involvement and the renting of the hashpower.

02:02:44 mircea_popescu: mike_c check this out :

02:02:45 mircea_popescu: %p

02:02:49 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10149.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 61.45 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s

02:02:55 mike_c: yes, i saw

02:03:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00073526 = 17.7198 BTC [-]

02:03:22 diametric: asciilifeform: docker's purpose isn't security per se. an escape can be irrelevant. if anything its a nice system for compartmentalizing your system and preventing the pollution of your filesystem with random libraries needed by a single application.

02:03:23 mircea_popescu: seems kinda clear. who's going to spend a coupla btc to get it back out of the hole ?

02:03:38 asciilifeform: diametric: aha i recall, a la bsd jail, yes.

02:03:40 diametric: asciilifeform: now if you're relying on docker to be a jail for the purposes of security, than that alone isn't ideal.

02:03:51 mike_c: ok. so i guess that was mpif's 2m atc getting out

02:03:57 asciilifeform: so more of a parrot cage than a jail for man.

02:03:58 diametric: its like a jail + management system on top of it

02:04:26 diametric: what you end up with is an image you can use on any linux running docker, be it ubuntu, gentoo, arch or lfs.

02:04:40 kakobrekla: <mike_c> ok. so i guess that was mpif's 2m atc getting out < my thought was its the 60th guy

02:04:50 kakobrekla: but nfi

02:04:50 diametric: i'd still be highly interested in learning about potential escapes though

02:05:06 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.0163 * 61.45 / 24

02:05:06 gribble: 0.0417347916667

02:05:15 mircea_popescu: 4 bitcents an hour, could be worse.

02:05:51 mircea_popescu: %v

02:05:53 atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 49 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64

02:06:00 mircea_popescu: har.

02:06:48 jurov: so.. does this docker thing work with grsec and makes easier chroots with readonly-bind-mounted stuff?

02:07:01 kakobrekla: anywho, atc ended ... as expected.

02:07:37 BingoBoingo: %d

02:07:38 diametric: docker is just using lxc

02:07:39 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2233457.32 in 1819 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 375.66

02:07:51 diametric: what makes it docker is the whole management infrastructure around it

02:11:02 mod6: %ob

02:11:03 atcbot: 99k@255 100k@254 576k@49 | 1M@4 800k@3 2M@2

02:11:23 jurov: after some googling, no it isn't working smoothly with grsec. as expected from #devops

02:12:46 jurov: "it" being lxc

02:15:33 mircea_popescu: %ob

02:15:35 atcbot: 99k@255 100k@254 576k@49 | 1M@5 1M@4 800k@3

02:17:11 BingoBoingo: %p

02:17:12 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8600.13 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 49.11 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s

02:17:17 mircea_popescu: heh.

02:17:59 mircea_popescu: the ispace assholes was the thing that "didn't work" and nobody was answering, back when we were looking for a pool, was it ?

02:18:14 BingoBoingo: Pity the Pool's was

02:18:29 mircea_popescu: how come wqe didn't end up using it ?

02:18:42 BingoBoingo: Ispace came in at that time, but it wasn't reporting crap when i pointed hash at it.

02:18:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, a bunch of smartass miners are going to hurt once their coinbases finally mature.

02:18:50 BingoBoingo: And they were also non-responsive

02:19:02 mircea_popescu: which is what, an hour ? i dun recall

02:19:15 BingoBoingo: 100 blocks, maybe 120 blocks

02:19:20 mircea_popescu: "o, we're too special to mine helpfuly, we gotta be smarter than the britches allow"

02:20:03 BingoBoingo: Ah it is 120 blocks

02:20:50 BingoBoingo: %d

02:20:51 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2300244.77 in 1806 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 389.89

02:21:19 mircea_popescu: who had all the nice atc graphs ?

02:22:18 BingoBoingo: http://atc.blockr.io/ or http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/altcoin/

02:22:18 assbot: Altcoin (ATC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations

02:22:20 mod6: there are some here (not sure if this is what you're referring to): http://atc.blockr.io/charts

02:23:28 BingoBoingo: %ob

02:23:30 atcbot: 99k@255 100k@254 544k@49 | 50k@10 1M@5 1M@4

02:23:47 mircea_popescu: ty

02:23:55 BingoBoingo: %t

02:23:56 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 10 Ask: 49 Last Price: 49 24h-Vol: 2191k High: 190 Low: 1 VWAP: 55

02:29:00 BingoBoingo: %p

02:29:04 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 9946.92 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 34.78 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s

02:29:19 decimation: re: docker << my understanding is that it's pretty much a chroot jail combined with some cpu and ram and network limits

02:30:19 *: decimation doesn't use docker, probably never will

02:31:32 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so there's at least three different parties attacking, seeing how it went from 60 to 50 then to 35

02:31:51 BingoBoingo: Yeah

02:31:51 mircea_popescu: i need fucking vincent vega over here.

02:32:16 mircea_popescu: fucktarded kids thinking they're going to get rich.

02:32:31 BingoBoingo: No, you need to get these mother fucking snakes off of the motherfucking plane

02:32:44 decimation: I assume folks are logging incoming ips?

02:33:27 BingoBoingo: %p

02:33:29 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10497.70 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 21.55 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s

02:33:35 BingoBoingo: %tslb

02:33:37 atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46592): 0 hour(s), 2 minutes

02:33:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00073466 = 42.1695 BTC [-] {4}

02:37:21 BingoBoingo: %d

02:37:22 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2381419.13 in 1788 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 407.17

02:41:13 BingoBoingo: %p

02:41:15 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10604.10 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.49 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s

02:41:20 mircea_popescu: lol

02:41:34 mircea_popescu: oops... not so smart anymore... hurr durrr

02:43:23 BingoBoingo: Oh a quack made the local paper http://www.bnd.com/2014/10/18/3462222/guest-view-could-ebola-patients.html?sp=/99/174/

02:43:23 assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat

02:44:04 BingoBoingo: Obola's no problem because Vitamin C

02:46:01 mircea_popescu: seems legit.

02:46:04 undata: well, that's as long as you're taking your colloidal silver too

02:50:31 cazalla: "Now one of the fastest-growing cosmetic procedures in the UK is repairing stretched earlobes." hilarious http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/oct/19/cosmetic-surgeons-repair-stretched-earlobes

02:50:31 assbot: Big increase in surgery to mend flesh tunnel earlobes | Life and style | The Observer

02:51:54 undata: cazalla: that'll be big here in portland I'm sure

02:52:27 undata: what a hideous practice

02:52:41 undata: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lip_plate

02:52:41 assbot: Lip plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:57:01 mircea_popescu: i wonder if they can use the extra material to give the woman a new hymen too

02:58:57 asciilifeform: SOP in jp, afaik

05:10:34 ThickAsThieves: <+mats_cd03> lol dude operates a mixer. /// probly part of the trap

05:14:56 kakobrekla: fucking do idiots.

05:19:22 ThickAsThieves: oh mp sez ATC iz ded nao?

05:19:40 ThickAsThieves: we'll see

05:21:18 RagnarDanneskjol: the pool or the coin?

05:22:28 ThickAsThieves: well it's still got pool

05:22:31 ThickAsThieves: and hash

05:22:41 ThickAsThieves: someone sold down the mkt tho

05:23:52 RagnarDanneskjol: ahh - that would be easy to do

05:24:58 RagnarDanneskjol: yea pool's still going. I was under impression it was for amusement purposes / didn't realize it had any particular value

05:26:57 ThickAsThieves: well it's a decent testcoin

05:27:31 ThickAsThieves: and it's no premine

05:27:41 RagnarDanneskjol: 51% attack would be a cinch too - especially with majority of hashing on p2pool

05:28:44 ThickAsThieves: hehe maybe good tool to practice overtaking btc then

05:29:00 ThickAsThieves: it's Altcoin, it is what it is

05:31:01 PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: I'll send you 0.1BTC if you throw me some rank, you can send me pictures of your titties as well, with a string of text written on them. ;)

05:31:30 BingoBoingo: !up fivezerotwo

05:31:54 fivezerotwo: ty although i'm just lurking

05:33:42 BingoBoingo: k

05:35:15 nubbins`: found my OLPC xo-1 from back in 2007

05:37:39 nubbins`: they're actually still updating everything

05:45:38 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE wait wut ?

05:46:06 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you've missed a lot in the logs.

05:49:08 ThickAsThieves: apparently so

05:49:14 ThickAsThieves: halp?

05:50:33 ThickAsThieves: i thought i read em all...

05:56:44 cazalla: mircea_popescu, can't upload files, dir not writable

05:58:20 cazalla: at least not via wordpress anyway

06:03:46 mircea_popescu: cazalla uh so make it writable or what.

06:04:14 cazalla: dunno, i used pos file manager in cpanel so doesn't matter

06:04:37 mircea_popescu: a i think wordpress has a narrow size limit, may be 1mb or somethign

06:05:30 PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: I'll send you 0.1 BTC, same deal, if you provide me with some WOT rank, and if you want to do some personal shots, with a string of my choice, that's highly encouraged as well.

06:06:03 mircea_popescu: ;;rate PinkPosixPXE -1 Sure, there you go.

06:06:04 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user PinkPosixPXE has been recorded.

06:06:04 PinkPosixPXE: except, it's not a competition, you just get the 0.1 BTC

06:06:20 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/digitalbtc-release-september-quarterly-report/

06:06:20 assbot: digitalBTC Release September Quarterly Report | Qntra.net

06:06:40 othernubs`: but without competition, we have nothing

06:07:10 PinkPosixPXE: well if you all want to compete, that's fine too. But I'd secure the 0.1 for mircea_popescu

06:07:24 PinkPosixPXE: but he doesn't seem fond of the idea

06:07:25 mircea_popescu: cazalla i dun get it. how exactly they earned 6k btc ?

06:07:33 cazalla: they say they mined it

06:07:53 mircea_popescu: not through that entire mintsy bs, "allowing people to add their computers" to the... world's largest first and best exchange nobody uses

06:08:07 mircea_popescu: they mined 240 blocks in 3 months ?

06:09:04 othernubs`: 3 blocks a day

06:09:06 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 52/4 / 2 * 2036

06:09:07 gribble: 13234

06:09:23 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 240 / 13234

06:09:24 gribble: 0.0181351065438

06:09:33 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

06:09:35 gribble: Current Blocks: 326129 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36016235848.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.89623

06:09:45 mircea_popescu: hm wrong one.

06:09:47 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,hash

06:09:47 gribble: Error: "bc,hash" is not a valid command.

06:09:55 mircea_popescu: ;;nethash

06:09:56 gribble: 251094498.651

06:10:04 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.0181351065438 * 251094498.651

06:10:04 gribble: 4553625.4856

06:10:31 mircea_popescu: they got 4,5ph then ?

06:10:34 othernubs`: C- student did not show work

06:10:36 cazalla: they've done a few million dollar deals with bitfury, so they claim anyway, i don't know who is jewing who anymore

06:10:41 othernubs`: would not etc etc

06:11:00 mircea_popescu: cazalla somehow i have trouble believing this story, but hey.

06:11:58 cazalla: well the zhenya guy apparently is russian mafia

06:12:05 mircea_popescu: derp.

06:12:31 cazalla: who knows though, guy had puff daddy perform for his missus at her birthday bash

06:12:44 mircea_popescu: i like the brick and mortar way this is going.

06:13:11 mircea_popescu: weren';t we discussing a month or so ago the unfortunate affairs of a puff daddy promoter, ended up in jail for fraud ?

06:13:32 cazalla: anyway, i'm not claiming it's factual, they are and it's what they submitted to asx, i find it interesting to follow this lot though

06:13:50 mircea_popescu: is it actually published on an oz gov site anywhere ?

06:14:06 cazalla: it is published on the asx so just as good

06:14:15 cazalla: http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20141020/pdf/42t0mqrygyzd74.pdf

06:14:37 mircea_popescu: aha aite then.

06:16:05 ThickAsThieves: ;;tslb

06:16:11 gribble: Time since last block: 29 minutes and 8 seconds

06:16:16 ThickAsThieves: scams

06:17:04 cazalla: the company never gives specific information as to whether they mine on their own or part of a pool or how much hashing power they have

06:20:12 mircea_popescu: ;;google bre-x

06:20:13 gribble: Bre-X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bre-X; Bre-X $6 Billion Gold Fraud Story - Business Insider: http://www.businessinsider.com/bre-x-6-billion-gold-fraud-indonesia-2014-10?op=1; A Lode of Lies: How Bre-X Fooled Everyone - Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/canada/stories/brex051897.htm

06:26:59 cazalla: so is it problematic to continue posting about them? i'm not claiming what they published is legit, it's more just to cover what they claim until such time it's proven to be a fraud

06:27:13 cazalla: and not much news around today either

06:30:17 punkman: ;;isitup log.bitcoin-assets.com

06:30:17 gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.

06:30:58 punkman: ;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com

06:30:59 gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down

06:31:18 punkman: 'ello

06:31:26 mircea_popescu: cazalla well no, since they filed and etc it's solid news.

06:32:48 punkman: "We're just sending you a courtesy e-mail to let you know that the funds you deposited into your Envato Market account some time ago are about to expire."

06:33:22 punkman: "Envato expires cash deposits automatically after one year as a small percentage of users leave money in their account for long periods of time and cannot be contacted. Unfortunately Envato cannot be responsible for holding cash for indefinite periods"

06:33:52 punkman: fuckers

06:34:24 mircea_popescu: cazalla so if they bought 4.5Ph from bitfury that'd have cost them about

06:34:37 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 4500 * 1700

06:34:38 gribble: 7650000

06:34:43 mircea_popescu: do they list 7.65 mn in assets ?

06:40:19 BingoBoingo: http://www.crimeflare.com/

06:40:20 assbot: CrimeFlare

06:42:16 mircea_popescu: "CloudFlare is a venture-funded startup that routes around Internet abuse by acting as a reverse proxy." wait wut ?

06:44:41 mircea_popescu: this looks and feels like that "steve gibson research" nut.

06:45:34 cazalla: i think they claim they spent 2.5m with bitfury

06:46:32 mircea_popescu: they didn't get gear to mine 6k bitcoins in 3 months for 2.5mn from bitfury, that's certain.

06:47:25 mircea_popescu: either they're lying about the bitcoins incoming, or they're paying a 5-10% to rent hashes.

06:47:29 mircea_popescu: prolly both, i guess.

06:48:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, see if the russian mobster puff daddy guy is willing to give you an interview. you got at least 10 decent q's to ask him in here.

06:50:35 cazalla: here we go "One such customer is the Australian stock market listed Digital BTC6, which purchased mining hardware from BitFury in March, May and August ((March and May purchase was a $2 million investment, August was $1.3 million.) of 2014.

06:51:34 cazalla: so 3.3m to earn 6k in past quarter

06:51:50 mircea_popescu: lmao this book is cooked.

06:51:50 cazalla: which is probably why they don't get specific about hashing power, where they mine etc etc

06:52:18 cazalla: i think they probably get the extra from skimming cloudhashing customers

06:52:34 mircea_popescu: there's not enough in that.

06:52:50 cazalla: plus they claimed to have sold old hardware and rent out 10% or 15% of their own hashing power

06:52:56 mircea_popescu: but anyway, my earlier figures were based on a june buy.

06:53:01 mircea_popescu: if they bought in march...

06:58:07 mircea_popescu: nethash back then was just about 25 ph total. like fuck they bought 1/5th of the network and nobody knew.

07:01:02 BingoBoingo: %p

07:01:05 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 2345.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 8.00 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s

07:01:35 BingoBoingo: %d

07:01:36 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1854543.95 in 1717 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 294.96

07:12:00 punkman: BingoBoingo, is the vicious diff cycle gonna repeat there?

07:54:23 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/kraken-considers-purchasing-mtgox-assets-as-it-pushes-into-japan/

07:54:23 assbot: Kraken Considers Purchasing MtGox Assets As It Pushes Into Japan | Qntra.net

08:58:04 Apocalyptic: !isup log.bitcoin-assets.com

10:26:16 punkman: http://mashable.com/2014/10/19/avoca-shark-attack/

10:26:16 assbot: 'It's Not the Shark's Fault': Aussie Teen Surfer Laughs After Shark Bites Her Leg

10:29:03 punkman: http://online.thatsmags.com/post/photos-beijing-marathon-runners-trudge-through-hazardous-smog-in-gas-masks

10:29:36 cazalla: punkman, a wobbegong is nothing like a great white

10:30:17 cazalla: those and port jackson sharks bite cunts all the time

10:30:31 punkman: cazalla: I wouldn't know, no sharks around here

10:31:57 cazalla: sorta like thinking a manul is a tiger

10:32:58 punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/18/poor-kids-who-do-everything-right-dont-do-better-than-rich-kids-who-do-everything-wrong/

10:32:59 assbot: Poor kids who do everything right don’t do better than rich kids who do everything wrong - The Washington Post

10:34:19 cazalla: "Affluent parents talk to their kids three more hours a week on average than poor parents, which is critical during a child's formative early years." <<< I wonder about this with my son, we're both with him 24/7

10:35:30 punkman: young brains need input, I suppose that's good

10:37:59 punkman: http://www.shareable.net/blog/the-exterminators-want-ad

10:37:59 assbot: The Exterminator's Want-Ad - Shareable

10:38:23 cazalla: yeah, i've read to my son almost every day since he was born, teach him basic sign language as well but he just turned 9 months and is yet to use it, i've read the bright kids usually pick it up sooner

10:59:25 bounce: mix in some foreign languages while at it

11:00:47 chetty: kids won{t communicate unless they need to, are you over helpful?

11:02:32 cazalla: bounce, my parents never taught me :\ chetty, sorta have to be helpful with a 9 month old, least in my limited experience, can't cook his own meal or get the titty ready

11:05:06 cazalla: anyway, that's qntra downunder signing off, another beer and zzz, i'm sure qntra US and A will be on soon

11:35:24 jurov: ;;isup bitcoin-assets.com

11:35:25 gribble: bitcoin-assets.com is down

11:38:51 jurov: http://qntra.net/2014/10/daniel-j-bernstein-speeks-on-keeping-crypto-insecure << jawohl

11:38:51 assbot: Daniel J Bernstein Speaks on Keeping Crypto Insecure | Qntra.net

12:01:05 fluffypony: https://beta.ciphertrade.com/help/site-notifications

12:01:05 assbot: CipherTrade

12:01:15 fluffypony: "Many apologies for my personal absence recently and the drop in communications it has contributed to. Unfortunately I have experienced my own period of illness, which came on quite suddenly, over the past ten weeks."

12:01:23 fluffypony: came on quite suddenly

12:01:27 fluffypony: over the past ten weeks

12:01:34 fluffypony: boiling frogs.

12:02:24 fluffypony: if he means it came on quite suddenly and then lasted 10 weeks...well damn, son, I'd be in ICU

12:03:09 fluffypony: the worst I ever had in my entire life was this crazy hayfever where I hardly left my bed for 4 weeks and my nose poured buckets

12:03:16 fluffypony: in those 4 weeks I saw a doctor twice and a specialist once

12:21:26 kakobrekla: http://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/about-bis/newsroom/press-releases/107-about-bis/newsroom/press-releases/press-release-2014/763-intel-subsidiary-agrees-to-750-000-penalty-for-unauthorized-encryption-exports

12:21:27 assbot: Intel Subsidiary Agrees to $750,000 Penalty for Unauthorized Encryption Exports

12:40:24 kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/Abhaxas/status/523780560993267713

12:40:25 assbot: go home twitter, you're drunk. i'll accept my bugbounty via bitcoin thx http://t.co/iZOoa0hSEb

12:56:40 asciilifeform: http://www.shareable.net/blog/the-exterminators-want-ad << epic crackpottery

12:56:40 assbot: The Exterminator's Want-Ad - Shareable

12:57:38 asciilifeform: wind river << no mention, it seems, of what they shipped to be condemned to the penalty, and to whom

13:49:35 ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/524185909504516096

13:49:36 assbot: Thanks to all who notified us of the /hashtag/mintpal?src=hash coins. https://t.co/nH85upTbMW We are vigilant on not let them pass through /hashtag/Bitstamp?src=hash

13:50:50 kakobrekla: https://blockchain.info/address/1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC

13:50:50 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC

13:51:50 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/spain-to-issue-more-online-gambling-licenses/

13:52:03 BingoBoingo: %p

13:52:05 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1958.96 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 2.02 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s

13:52:13 BingoBoingo: punkman: See the logs

13:52:18 BingoBoingo: %d

13:52:19 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1379402.06 in 1654 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 193.77

13:54:35 ThickAsThieves: <+kakobrekla> https://blockchain.info/address/1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC /// wassat?

13:54:36 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC

13:55:18 kakobrekla: old coins

14:03:13 mod6: %ob

14:03:14 atcbot: 50k@248 44k@245 5k@241 | 50k@44 100k@41 200k@35

14:07:48 ThickAsThieves: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/bank-of-england/11174071/UK-bank-payment-system-goes-offline.html

14:07:48 assbot: House purchases on hold as real-time payment system goes offline - Telegraph

14:10:01 chetty: jajajaja good one, now thats a way to curb gubermint spending

14:17:58 ThickAsThieves: “The Bank of England has identified a technical issue related to some routine maintenance of the RTGS payment system and has paused settlement while we resolve it,” a statement from the Bank said.

14:18:14 ThickAsThieves: or, hey have we been haxored?

14:18:32 BingoBoingo: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/10/20/1233235/ibm-pays-globalfoundries-15-billion-to-shed-its-chip-division

14:18:33 assbot: IBM Pays GlobalFoundries $1.5 Billion To Shed Its Chip Division - Slashdot

14:18:59 BingoBoingo: IBM Continues to confound people with the question of "What do they still DO?

14:19:38 ThickAsThieves: heh

14:19:43 ThickAsThieves: here's a good one too

14:19:48 ThickAsThieves: "China got its first official shipments of new iPhones last week, but a new report from web censorship watchdog Great Fire indicates Chinese users may be facing an unpleasant surprise when they try to connect to Apple services at large. As of last night, the Chinese firewall is blocking all local connections to iCloud.com, redirecting those connections to a dummy site designed to look

14:19:48 ThickAsThieves: exactly like Apple's login page."

14:20:11 ThickAsThieves: china giv slurping up credentials

14:20:14 ThickAsThieves: gov

14:20:31 ThickAsThieves: http://qz.com/283691/china-may-be-hacking-every-iphone-user-in-the-country/

14:20:32 assbot: China may be hacking every iPhone user in the country – Quartz

14:20:55 bounce: oh, they're going through with it? could've had your own chip fab and gotten 1.5bn in the deal too

14:23:53 BingoBoingo: Yeah

14:25:45 ThickAsThieves: so my guess is this week wall st's party line will be that everything's okay, markets recover XX% of what was lost last week in a few days, then next week new lows

14:29:07 BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe

14:29:23 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007342 / 0.00073843 / 0.00074163 (1477276 shares, 1,090.88 BTC), 7D: 0.00073316 / 0.00073791 / 0.00074368 (7811540 shares, 5,764.24 BTC), 30D: 0.00073316 / 0.00074319 / 0.00075684 (25376564 shares, 18,859.76 BTC)

14:29:54 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: I dunno, Obola seems to even be surpressing MPOE

14:32:02 ThickAsThieves: just a temporary trap tho

14:32:07 ThickAsThieves: s'all i'm sayin

14:32:28 ThickAsThieves: get mom n pop to ignore their investments a bit longer

14:32:45 ThickAsThieves: so gs can nurse the teat

14:45:34 kakobrekla: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com

14:45:37 gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down

14:45:40 kakobrekla: lies

14:45:58 kakobrekla: ip has changed, beat your dns

14:46:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12347 @ 0.00074163 = 9.1569 BTC [+]

14:50:18 chetty: ThickAsThieves, me thinks gus is running out of that sort of gas, ma n pa is starting to notice

14:54:28 ThickAsThieves: i hope so

14:54:38 mats_cd03: https://twitter.com/tim_likes_cake/status/523731718830698496

14:54:40 assbot: An actual, real paragraph from the draft PHP specification. http://t.co/H9MscHwh90

15:04:29 chetty: http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/9364

15:04:30 assbot: Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines - Alliance Defending Freedom

15:13:36 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

15:13:37 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.57, Best ask: 384.58, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 383.5, 24 hour volume: 9973.42180721, 24 hour low: 376.2, 24 hour high: 392.0, 24 hour vwap: 382.624714469

15:22:50 BingoBoingo: Truth >> http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5NgxjUI7--/lpovu8m5sadekmlwrogg.jpg

15:35:04 *: Adlai isn't sure that, were he looking for a minister to perform a same-sex marriage, he'd want one who was only doing it under threat of incarceration

15:38:53 chetty: well this sort of thing isn't about getting married, its about pushing agenda

15:55:35 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin has so many CEOs

15:55:36 ThickAsThieves: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0ZV-mRIQAEU03v.png

15:57:33 TomServo: decentralized ceos, yo

15:57:49 TomServo: ;;bc,stats

15:57:51 gribble: Current Blocks: 326176 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 415 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 0 hours, 42 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35676954134.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.92693

15:58:29 Adlai: how about from now on, no btc-related company ever fills the "ceo" role

15:58:40 Adlai: people can be "VP Operations", "VP Executions", etc

15:58:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4483 @ 0.00074168 = 3.325 BTC [+] {2}

15:58:51 *: kakobrekla proclaims itself for CEO of the CEO association

15:58:51 Adlai: and at board meetings, the CEO chair remains empty, like for the prophet Elijah

15:58:55 kakobrekla: himself

15:58:58 kakobrekla: im not it :\

15:59:09 *: Adlai not it

16:06:02 mircea_popescu: assbot: Kraken Considers Purchasing MtGox Assets As It Pushes Into Japan | Qntra.net << ok, this i don't get.

16:06:12 mircea_popescu: how is some derps with no money "considering" buying something that doesn't exist news ?

16:06:33 mircea_popescu: i get it, caleb and co would like us to think kraken actually exists. that's fine, but it doesn't, and why are you pushing it ?

16:06:37 mircea_popescu: cazalla^

16:07:02 kakobrekla: but it sez FOREX on the front page

16:07:07 mircea_popescu: heh.

16:07:24 mircea_popescu: cazalla: which is critical during a child's formative early years." <<< I wonder about this with my son, we're both with him 24/7 << after about 7 or so that's unhealthy.

16:09:12 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: boiling frogs. <<< ayup.

16:09:26 TomServo: mircea_popescu: Is there a fraudsters article handy detailing your child rearing tips?

16:09:27 mircea_popescu: you invested in the craig dude ? i mean anything other than the lulz

16:09:36 mircea_popescu: i have a huge investment of lulz with him myself.

16:10:13 mircea_popescu: TomServo are you setting me up ? yeah, i know, i got no kids bla bla. but i speak for the romanian school of psychology, pre 1990 god damn it. i know shit.

16:10:38 TomServo: mircea_popescu: Not at all. I've noticed you have a quite a few is all.

16:10:46 kakobrekla: > Now available on Bloomberg Terminal due to customer demand < just love this, 'all seven users wrote to us that they heard of bloomberg sometime someplace'

16:11:22 mircea_popescu: yeah. but i never really wrote about it because well... that'd be the end of days, mp mommy blogger.

16:11:29 TomServo: hahah

16:11:32 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know bloomberg terminals are still widely used. 50k or so i'd guess.

16:12:12 kakobrekla: yeah well, the only reason they are on bloomber is because of <h1>forex</h1> on frontpage.

16:12:27 mircea_popescu: who you mean, kraken ?

16:12:31 kakobrekla: yes

16:12:46 mircea_popescu: nah, just go to some people that aren't mp offer them .1 btc for whatever and you're in.

16:12:51 mircea_popescu: bloomberg isn't as well kept as the wot.

16:13:12 kakobrekla: oh you are making pun

16:13:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, after the entire "we're built with security in mind from the ground up and also please everyone send btc to this address and we'll sort it out later" adventure, and then lying about it...

16:13:44 mircea_popescu: im sure they'll do fine o.O

16:14:44 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: in those 4 weeks I saw a doctor twice and a specialist once << fuck 4 weeks ? i'm throwing a conniption fit in the third motherfucking day

16:14:55 mircea_popescu: i've never been sick for a week straight nor do i think it possible.

16:17:37 mircea_popescu: assbot: Intel Subsidiary Agrees to $750,000 Penalty for Unauthorized Encryption Exports << now that is news! got a BingoBoingo in da haus ?

16:17:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, it's in the cue after I finish the next piece

16:18:21 *: mircea_popescu giggles excitedly

16:18:22 kakobrekla: do i get like a finders fee

16:18:24 kakobrekla: :D

16:18:37 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kakobrekla here's your finders fee for the intel article

16:18:37 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:18:49 kakobrekla: scam

16:18:53 kakobrekla: o i got a new msg!

16:19:00 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wanna write it up ? or... make the woman do it ?

16:19:00 kakobrekla: scam

16:19:24 kakobrekla: low on time. let PinkPosixPXE write.

16:19:36 kakobrekla: for some redemption

16:19:43 mircea_popescu: i guess that'd work.

16:21:49 PinkPosixPXE: I can do that

16:21:55 mircea_popescu: make it good.

16:22:01 thestringpuller: or not

16:22:03 mircea_popescu: hey X-Rob in da house ? ello ?

16:22:05 thestringpuller: that's cazalla's job

16:22:20 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the less of it he has to do, the more of it he can do, ya know ?

16:22:43 thestringpuller: :D

16:23:00 thestringpuller: i can't find any real btc news on the net still

16:23:06 thestringpuller: all "this is why x is long on btc"

16:23:13 thestringpuller: "btc is rivaling payments here's why"

16:23:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and lemme guess, currently being workt on is assbot: House purchases on hold as real-time payment system goes offline - Telegraph ?

16:23:45 BingoBoingo: That's after Intel fine

16:23:55 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/ibm-pays-to-divest-chip-business/

16:23:55 assbot: IBM Pays To Divest Chip Business | Qntra.net

16:24:04 BingoBoingo: Now writing Intel fine.

16:24:12 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE has that one

16:24:27 kakobrekla: imma brb

16:24:55 BingoBoingo: Ah, then now writing Housing market stalls as payments stop

16:24:58 mod6: find any real btc news on the net still

16:25:05 mircea_popescu: chetty: http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/9364 <<, ahahaha WHAT

16:25:06 assbot: Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines - Alliance Defending Freedom

16:25:12 BingoBoingo: mod6: Slow on that front

16:25:13 mod6: << bah. anyway, all the real news is on irc.

16:25:23 mod6: sorry, bad copy.

16:25:37 mircea_popescu: mod6 will be fined five ounces of lead and an ounce of ink

16:25:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah give the girl a chance.

16:26:05 BingoBoingo: K

16:26:53 mircea_popescu: *: Adlai isn't sure that, were he looking for a minister to perform a same-sex marriage, he'd want one who was only doing it under threat of incarceration << details, details. it's the united states of methodical hypocrisy anyway, they don't get married to be married, they get married to get the paperwork.

16:27:17 mircea_popescu: education, work, everything the same. they don't buy shoes to have shoes, they buy shoes for the other people to see they got shoes.

16:27:19 mircea_popescu: etc.

16:28:36 chetty: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/warren-buffett-losing-over-1-billion-on-ibm-2014-10-20

16:28:37 assbot: Warren Buffett losing over $1 billion on IBM - MarketWatch

16:28:45 mircea_popescu: heh.

16:29:11 mircea_popescu: BUT the dynamism embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. America?s best days lie ahead.

16:29:20 mircea_popescu: Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?!?!?!?!

16:29:33 mircea_popescu: With this tailwind working for us, Charlie and I hope!!!11

16:29:56 bounce: .oO( god blesses america, doesn't he? )

16:30:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00074028 = 20.0246 BTC [-]

16:30:23 mircea_popescu: i dunno why so many people want to live LONGER

16:30:46 mircea_popescu: so as to what, cover a career built on a deserved reputation for insight under a pile of senile ridicule ?

16:32:11 mircea_popescu: Adlai: how about from now on, no btc-related company ever fills the "ceo" role <<< welcome to mpex in 2011 :)))

16:32:54 chetty: what is a ceo?

16:33:38 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: didn't you have some background information on bitcoinshop.us

16:33:52 mircea_popescu: !s bitcoinshop.us

16:33:53 assbot: 3 results for 'bitcoinshop.us' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoinshop.us

16:33:58 thestringpuller: it was on fraudsters

16:34:09 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com bitcoinshup

16:34:09 gribble: No matches found.

16:34:14 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com bitcoinshop

16:34:14 gribble: Scam flavour of the day : bitcoinshop.us aka Hotel Management ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/scam-flavour-of-the-day-bitcoinshopus-aka-hotel-management-systems-inc-tucn/; The psychology of the bagholder pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/; S.MG, March 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message)

16:34:20 thestringpuller: there we go

16:34:22 thestringpuller: the frist one

16:34:29 mircea_popescu: a yes

16:34:55 thestringpuller: http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/bitcoin-shop-announces-formation-of-advisory-board-otcqb-btcs-1959113.htm

16:34:56 assbot: Bitcoin Shop Announces Formation of Advisory Board

16:35:11 mircea_popescu: heh.

16:35:34 mircea_popescu: did you get your tablet ?

16:37:13 mircea_popescu: o look at that, you can no longer - bash entries ?

16:37:44 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea. and then broke it. i still have my backpack they proxied from china tho.

16:37:52 mircea_popescu: in other news, dji only down half a % today

16:37:59 mircea_popescu: meta-up 200% from yesterday

16:40:45 mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=290 << bwahahah

16:40:45 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

16:41:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17404 @ 0.00073928 = 12.8664 BTC [-] {3}

16:42:50 kakobrekla: meh, that voting system i did there was broked. and i fixed it 3 times and its still broked.

16:43:22 ThickAsThieves: tried breaking it yet?

16:43:42 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bank-of-england-payment-settlements-offline-home-purchases-impossible/

16:43:42 assbot: Bank of England Payment Settlements Offline: Home Purchases Impossible | Qntra.net

16:43:52 kakobrekla: thats the inherit property, cant get tired of it.

16:44:49 kakobrekla: it is what it is now. up what you like, ignore what you dont, should be ok, over time.

16:45:40 kakobrekla: speaking of this, rating systems are a science of its own

16:46:01 kakobrekla: and i have nfi what would be best here

16:46:30 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i believe it.

16:47:01 mircea_popescu: they are a science, and hardly worth the effort given that w/e, it's just bash quotes

16:47:24 kakobrekla: im a masochist, i heard.

16:47:59 mircea_popescu: it's fine until you start hearing it from gurlz.

16:48:08 chetty: masochist = synonym with programmer, right?

16:48:48 kakobrekla: heh

16:48:58 mircea_popescu: !up libertardian

16:49:50 mircea_popescu: libertardian hello brother. are you here to help me turn the tide and breach through the oppressive injustice these ancap redpiller types keep weaving ?

16:50:45 thestringpuller: what are redpillers? people who saw the matrix and think it's real?

16:51:11 mthreat: http://www.reddit.com/r/theredpill

16:51:12 assbot: The Red Pill

16:51:32 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller apparently it's a thing. http://fraudsters.com/2014/please-take-your-pills/ << that's where i discovered it anyway

16:51:33 assbot: Please take your pills. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:51:38 thestringpuller: oh so like PUA but dumb?

16:51:43 thestringpuller: but more dumb*

16:51:51 mthreat: and i thought the matrix was real

16:52:03 thestringpuller: wait so nerds are getting laid less?

16:52:25 mircea_popescu: well pua has a major disadvantage for your run of the mill usian : it's falsifiable, like a science.

16:52:47 mircea_popescu: they need stuff more like SOCIAL sciences, ie, talkradio. so they came up with this unfalsifiable version that's all yak, no actual anything.

16:53:15 mircea_popescu: course it doesn't deal with cunt anymore except in the meta, but that's really okay for the demo.

16:53:21 thestringpuller: ugh. this reminds me of college which was just high school 2.0

16:53:36 thestringpuller: "We can't get laid. Lets over analyze it to see why girls won't touch our penises"

16:53:56 mircea_popescu: jesus what college did you go ot

16:54:02 thestringpuller: Georgia Tech

16:54:09 thestringpuller: Like MIT but not as cold.

16:54:09 mircea_popescu: there weren't any pacts involved were there ?

16:54:18 mircea_popescu: wtf, wait a second, georgia tech is a major party school.

16:54:31 thestringpuller: Major alcholic school*

16:54:36 thestringpuller: people don't know how to party there!

16:54:57 thestringpuller: it's like 5 guys with 2 girls standing around drinking

16:55:07 thestringpuller: 5 guys for every 2 girls*

16:55:20 mircea_popescu: dude i dunno.

16:56:37 thestringpuller: I guess some kids just never "get" social skills.

16:57:00 mircea_popescu: "Alright chods, some of you could use some help on how to mack and succeed at parties. Mostly pledges do, but some bros could use a review. For anytime throughout the party? If you are standing by yourself at any point, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!! If you are talking to a brother of your pledge brothers when there are girls just standing around, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!!"

16:57:03 mircea_popescu: or how did that go.

16:57:32 thestringpuller: Oh yea. One second there was 1 fraternity that was very "rape-y"

16:57:37 thestringpuller: i'll get the leaked email

16:58:11 thestringpuller: Yea that's from it

16:58:16 mircea_popescu: myeah.

16:58:47 thestringpuller: "If the party is going good (a.k.a. there are a lot of open girls) try to escalate cause it.s awesome. Here is how to escalate: Try to twist her hips around to face you and dance front to front. FROM THERE THE OPTIONS ARE UNLIMITED! You can make-out with her (tongue on tongue), you can stick your hand up her shirt (not right away though), you can go for a butt grab (outside or inside the shirts), or use your imag

16:59:13 thestringpuller: Yea the girls at Tech are feminist so that email didn't go down too well.

16:59:40 thestringpuller: even though 1 out of every 3 girls found at a fraternity party is looking to hook up

16:59:44 thestringpuller: so I dunno ~_~

16:59:52 ThickAsThieves: 3 of 3

17:00:22 mircea_popescu: ^

17:00:29 mircea_popescu: wtf, why else is she there ? to get out of the atlanta rain ?

17:01:41 thestringpuller: usually it's girls under 21 trying to get free alcohol

17:02:03 thestringpuller: most girls at tech don't put out until they are 22

17:02:08 mircea_popescu: o.O

17:02:09 thestringpuller: ^- not really just making a joke

17:02:51 thestringpuller: But really, I hung out with a fraternity brother once who said he hooked up with a girl who didn't know she had a clitoris.

17:03:05 thestringpuller: But hey that's none of my business.

17:03:27 mircea_popescu: yeah, well, what bros say about women may or may not be indicative of women.

17:03:49 thestringpuller: Not saying it's fact, just plausible given my tenure at the plpace.

17:04:00 thestringpuller: given what occurred during my tenure*

17:05:44 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i was there briefly, it wasn't bad.

17:06:56 thestringpuller: Well you don't get the UGA behavior.

17:07:27 thestringpuller: But that's a little much.

17:07:45 mircea_popescu: hm ?

17:08:44 thestringpuller: UGA, when school is in, is like Mini Mardi Gras every weekend.

17:09:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00074178 = 23.8853 BTC [+] {2}

17:09:23 thestringpuller: Football games there leave the city of Athens looking like the Greece Athens right nao

17:10:00 mircea_popescu: shit, there's two of them in atlanta ?

17:10:08 mircea_popescu: well fuck me, maybe i was confusing one with the other

17:10:32 thestringpuller: UGA is in Athens 2 hours east of Atlanta

17:10:48 mircea_popescu: hm

17:10:50 thestringpuller: Atlatna has Georgia Tech, Georgia State and Emory

17:11:28 thestringpuller: Also Agnes Scott...

17:11:34 mircea_popescu: dude perspective's a bitch. it's almost like you can make no useful judgement about anything of note from having spent half a weekend in some rnadom town

17:12:07 BingoBoingo: Last ditch phone charging https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1896752_807594532587586_979724882_n.jpg

17:12:47 kakobrekla: yeah idiot, should set it below 500w

17:13:03 mircea_popescu: blame tesla

17:16:33 ThickAsThieves: gavin is doing an AMA tomorrow

17:17:08 kakobrekla: on 4chan?

17:17:24 BingoBoingo: !up disident

17:18:05 ThickAsThieves: on fortran

17:18:37 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://coinbrief.net/bitcoin-block-size-economics-gavin-andresen/ << you see that yet?

17:18:38 assbot: Bitcoin Blocksize Economics: Gavin is Wrong - Coin Brief

17:19:23 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lol what is that

17:19:30 BingoBoingo: %t

17:19:31 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 44 Ask: 241 Last Price: 49 24h-Vol: 2736k High: 190 Low: 1 VWAP: 54

17:19:37 mircea_popescu: "Coin Brief is Your Open Source for Digital Currency News, and was formed in April 2014. Since that time it has quickly grown, and is becoming THE hub for digital currency news, information, and tools." ooookay ?

17:20:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14405 @ 0.00074182 = 10.6859 BTC [+] {2}

17:20:51 mircea_popescu: ;;seen danielkrawsiz

17:20:52 gribble: I have not seen danielkrawsiz.

17:21:01 mircea_popescu: ;;seen DanielKrawisz

17:21:01 gribble: DanielKrawisz was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 16 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <DanielKrawisz> Yeah, nodes should be able to use micropayments to charge one another for data.

17:21:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28052 @ 0.000742 = 20.8146 BTC [+]

17:21:18 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell DanielKrawisz "The real issue here is that Bitcoin is almost certainly not sustainable if the block size remains limited to 1 Mb. " << nobody agrees with this idiocy.

17:21:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:21:30 ThickAsThieves: "read it. Was it reviewed by any actual economists? Mine was by five, are we all wrong?" ~gavin

17:21:37 mircea_popescu: just as well you might be saying "the world wil not be sustainable if there's not more social justice"

17:21:40 ThickAsThieves: we

17:21:47 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: It's the only other article I found disagreeing with Gavin.

17:21:48 mircea_popescu: it may be fashionable AMONG IDIOTS, it's neither true nor important.

17:21:54 ThickAsThieves: we means you when i want you to be me

17:22:20 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves amusingly, usgavin is pulling out the "your shit's not usg certified" card.

17:22:28 mircea_popescu: herpy-derp-a-derp, such a valid argument that is, really.

17:22:39 mircea_popescu: perhaps we "just don't understand how the world works".

17:23:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone wants to ask gavin anything, you've got plenty of material in here.

17:24:06 ThickAsThieves: but how we will do more tx than VISA?

17:24:13 mircea_popescu: "Why are you lying ?" is a good start. "Why are you acting as if Bitcoin were a USG project ? It's not, you are."

17:24:14 mircea_popescu: etc.

17:24:38 ThickAsThieves: those arent really question tho hehe

17:24:40 ThickAsThieves: s

17:24:51 ThickAsThieves: why are you what i say you are?

17:24:54 bounce: not unusual for scores of economists to be all wrong together

17:25:11 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was merely summarizing.

17:25:23 ThickAsThieves: or to be wrong in general

17:25:51 mircea_popescu: bounce that's not even it. is he genuinely proposing that the bar for corectness is finding 5 "actual" economist sto agree,

17:26:08 mircea_popescu: because out of the fifty billion idiots that are nevertheless certified as economists by the us paper mill

17:26:11 ThickAsThieves: and why did none of them cosign?

17:26:19 mircea_popescu: never has it happened that more than 4 were in agreement on any piece of idiocy

17:26:28 mircea_popescu: nor could it, for structural reasons he's omitted to explain ?

17:26:29 ThickAsThieves: "Who are the 5 economists?"

17:26:40 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no. that is pushing things the wrong way.

17:26:50 mircea_popescu: because then he can give 5 names and make it look like he answered something.

17:26:57 ThickAsThieves: need to paint into corner to get truths

17:26:58 mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less if five popes signed on his stupidity.

17:27:13 mircea_popescu: this is exactly how this doesn't work.

17:27:23 mircea_popescu: the problem here isn't that gavin is trying to fuck things up, because he won't succeed.

17:27:32 mircea_popescu: the problem here is that gavin is trying to paint the box for the discussion.

17:27:39 mircea_popescu: and WE won't admit this theory where "econoimists" matter.

17:27:49 mircea_popescu: if they did, they had made bitcoin.

17:28:00 mircea_popescu: they didn't make bitcoin. they don't get to join later on and get a seat at the table.

17:28:08 ThickAsThieves: so he can be like 'ok ok gais, we'll only do 10% size per year, no shaddup'

17:28:11 mircea_popescu: an economist wants to be an economist, 6 months on the logs and tit pictures.

17:28:14 mircea_popescu: like everyone else.

17:28:14 ThickAsThieves: now*

17:28:42 Namworld: I found a food wholesaler in the middle of the city, industrial looking building. It's like entering some fish factory or something. Things look old, a bit unclean. Looks like a factory filled with supplies.

17:29:00 Namworld: Best shopping experience I've ever had tho...

17:29:24 bounce: you like shopping in fish factories?

17:29:56 mircea_popescu: so, anyway. questions. "What makes you think getting the okay of five anon products of the US diploma mill has any bearing ? Bitcoin wasn't made by "economists"

17:30:02 Namworld: Apparently. But it was just an example, didn't really smell of fish.

17:30:13 mircea_popescu: but im still partial to "why are you lying".

17:30:31 bounce: is it lying if he doesn't know better?

17:30:45 mircea_popescu: yes.

17:30:55 ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/TamithaSkov/status/524237383676338176

17:30:56 assbot: Large M-class flare now &climbing! /hashtag/hamradio?src=hash blackout, /hashtag/GPS?src=hash, satellite phone& i-net issues next 1+hr esp W.Hemisphere http://t.co/XDx4g2mRrj

17:30:56 mircea_popescu: he is opening his mouth, that's the voluntary act.

17:31:04 mircea_popescu: if he doesn't make sure he knows any better first, that's the culpable act.

17:32:01 mircea_popescu: anyway, seriously, gavin and "5 ~actual~ economists", this is the "are we all wrong" astroturf consensus he hopes to go on ?

17:32:46 Namworld: You know what I mean. Stuff not kept in perfect condition, lighting not very bright. Lots of spillage/uncleaned stuff. Rust/dirty walls.

17:33:05 Namworld: It looks like an actual warehouse, not a "warehouse" supermarket.

17:33:21 ThickAsThieves: https://www.circle.com/en/2014/10/20/circle-submits-comments-nydfs-proposed-bitlicense

17:33:22 assbot: Circle Submits Comments to NYDFS on Proposed BitLicense

17:33:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21255 @ 0.00074216 = 15.7746 BTC [+] {2}

17:33:45 bounce: so you still get to buy stuff by less than a full distribution box?

17:34:31 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves who knows, maybe they learn to not pdf.

17:34:35 mircea_popescu: after which, they might matter.

17:34:36 Namworld: Yes. They wrote what could be bought in single quantity. Opened boxed and unopened ones. Usually a discount for whole boxes and half boxes.

17:34:53 Namworld: I mostly went to check for meat/fishes to fill my freezer.

17:35:25 bounce: complete powertrip for the regulation peeps. "oh, new thing, money-ish. let's r e g u l a t e" -- and then just sit back and watch the companies affected fall over themselves to submit to not-even-existing-yet regulations

17:35:35 mircea_popescu: fucking shocking, 5 "actual" economists found that agree inflation is a good idea, and if anything is naturally uninflationary, adding it in is the tits.

17:36:05 bounce: the regulators really don't care what they're regulating, as long as they can make you dance on their regulation strings. what are we regulating this thing for again?

17:36:06 mircea_popescu: bounce yup. which is why the "you seem to have omitted suckling my penis, son" is the right approach.

17:36:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, got a meeting. we can resume usgavin and the five fail dwarves discussion later.

17:37:02 Namworld: idk why I never looked for one before. I'd recommend. It's just better.

17:37:04 bounce: cherry-picking your economists, sort-of like cherry-picking your data, but not quite.

17:37:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, im not playing this stupid game. he wants to ama, he can come here.

17:39:42 bounce: somebody might drop the hint there

17:40:38 thestringpuller: http://bitcoinist.net/the-optimal-block-size/ << this article references Mircea

17:40:39 assbot: The Optimal Block Size | Bitcoinist.net

17:40:47 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu *

17:41:10 thestringpuller: oh and it links to the logs

17:41:20 thestringpuller: someone is sane?

17:42:43 bounce: really don't feel like reading the entire circle thing. the headlines read reasonable but eg. the bit about aml merely says "aml doubleplus good. we happy to aml for you. you want even more aml than the feds, no good." which is a bit weak.

17:46:06 ThickAsThieves: itd be unreasonable to ask for special treatment for less reg

17:46:17 ThickAsThieves: in the end, current regs already do apply

17:46:31 bounce: it's the only way out, actually

17:48:00 bounce: look here, the guy's proposing lots of regs so he can make his mark on history. then he can do one of two things: more regs, recommending less regs. what he cannot possibly do is keep regulatory levels the same as federal requirements because that deprives him of making his mark on history.

17:48:39 bounce: this goes even if it's the only possible choice. that it isn't, because the aml regs already make little sense and even more stringent rules therefore can only make even less sense.

17:50:04 bounce: so what's going to happen is there'll be some toning down on this proposal to show heart to the community and all that, but we still end up with more rules than already required. and in a few years the whole thing becomes obsolete because unworkable. there goes the mark on history.

17:50:06 nubbins`: "In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here."

17:50:07 nubbins`: my sides

17:50:57 ThickAsThieves: tbf, that's how mp would write it

17:51:18 punkman: such wordsmith

17:51:21 nubbins`: i chuckled, gotta say

17:51:28 nubbins`: altho he did incorrectly quote.

17:51:44 nubbins`: i think the <<< indicating reply wasn't picked up

17:52:01 nubbins`: so it seems like he said the whole thing, when in fact it was a comment on something you said

17:52:15 nubbins`: but hey, that variety speak 8)

17:52:41 thestringpuller: LOL

17:52:47 thestringpuller: i just saw that in the logs

18:17:37 thestringpuller: nubbins`: the shirts are well received

18:18:06 thestringpuller: What size was the one that was being worn in the proof shot you send me?

18:18:18 thestringpuller: sent*

18:21:40 nubbins`: ah, i have no idea

18:21:54 nubbins`: that was just a stock photo

18:22:08 nubbins`: maybe a small?

18:22:21 thestringpuller: well there was one where someone was wearing the physical shirt (i think it was your wife?)

18:23:03 *: nubbins` struggles to remember

18:23:05 nubbins`: help me out here

18:23:26 thestringpuller: one second

18:25:07 thestringpuller: http://imgur.com/lJulXNl

18:25:07 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

18:25:29 nubbins`: ah, yes

18:25:35 nubbins`: that's a small

18:25:53 thestringpuller: k

18:26:12 thestringpuller: we've almost sold them all I think 1 left?

18:26:28 nubbins`: suite

18:26:57 thestringpuller: what would another order cost now that the screen exist

18:29:51 nubbins`: $9.75ea for another 6

18:30:20 nubbins`: it's still up on the press now, otherwise it'd be a bit extra

18:41:04 thestringpuller: nubbins`: does that include shipping?

18:48:04 nubbins`: no

18:48:12 nubbins`: shipping is w/e the postage said last time ;D

18:48:55 thestringpuller: hopefully petenineteen didn't toss it out

18:49:35 nubbins`: i might have it here

18:49:48 thestringpuller: coocoo

18:50:41 nubbins`: nope, n/m

18:50:52 nubbins`: didn't print the postage for that one at home

18:51:22 nubbins`: i think it was somewhere between 20 and 40

18:56:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00074128 = 33.2093 BTC [-]

18:57:22 mircea_popescu: %p

18:57:26 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1070.19 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.32 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.82 TH/s

18:58:17 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> someone is sane? << apparently it's possible

19:00:30 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> in the end, current regs already do apply <<< ahahah what ?

19:01:26 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> "In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here." << the only thing that matters in there is that they understand who is setting the conversation and establishing the winners and losers

19:01:41 mircea_popescu: what they opine as to how either of those should work, well... i'm a believer in free speech just as much as the next guy.

19:01:46 mircea_popescu: they can opine anything till they drop.

19:03:14 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i think it was somewhere between 20 and 40 << llol. isn't thiks true of like, 90% of all postage ever ?

19:04:25 nubbins`: i can send a flat-packed poster to nottingham for the same price i can send a dozen shirts to china

19:04:38 nubbins`: if there's logic in that, i can't find it

19:05:00 nubbins`: worse voodoo than airline seat pricing

19:44:02 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/

19:44:02 assbot: USGavin, the lolcow pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:46:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13906 @ 0.00074128 = 10.3082 BTC [-]

19:49:12 ThickAsThieves: http://www.4-traders.com/news/21-Top-Bitcoin-and-Digital-Currency-Companies-Endorse-New-Digital-Framework-for-Digital-Identity-Tr--19226116/

19:49:13 assbot: 21 Top Bitcoin and Digital Currency Companies Endorse New Digital Framework for Digital Identity, Trust and Open Data

19:51:16 mircea_popescu: herp.

19:55:07 bounce: buzzwords and marketeerspeak, aka smoke and mirrors. what's the substance?

19:55:55 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/861/raul-gonzalez-to-play-in-nasl/#c4170 << shit is this actually the player in question ?!

19:55:55 assbot: BitBet - Raul Gonzalez to play in NASL :: 0.12 B (59%) on Yes, 0.08 B (41%) on No | closing in 4 hours 4 minutes | weight: 115 (100`000 to 1)

20:15:28 mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, it's kind-of amusing to me that the Krawisz fellow KNOWS about gavin's ideas to reduce block propagation from a function of size to a fixed value

20:15:33 mircea_popescu: and yet nothing occurs to him.

20:15:50 mircea_popescu: what could possibly be wrong with infinite blocks . pdf

20:17:19 bounce: didn't really adress that, did he? not the only thing he glosses over.

20:18:24 mircea_popescu: the worst part of it being that you know, he KNOWS about this place.

20:18:32 mircea_popescu: could have avoided being stupid in public by just asking.

20:19:33 bounce: curious really how the difficulty gets adjusted automatically but the size limit, implying a maximum number of transactions per second, isn't.

20:21:18 mircea_popescu: well, curious how the car moves forward, but not realy upward.

20:21:25 mircea_popescu: gotta have some fixed points to have a working equilibrium

20:21:35 mircea_popescu: if everything gives every which way you got postmodern us, ie, a mess.

20:21:44 mircea_popescu: that's actually the definition of mess.

20:22:17 bounce: postmodern us is full of silly arbitrary limits; it's not a natural equilibrium

20:22:41 mircea_popescu: this prolly warrants an in depth discussion. like what ?

20:23:29 bounce: not that blocksize elasticity is automatically a good idea. it opens up an avenue for attack to push the smaller players out

20:23:52 mircea_popescu: that'd be unrelated. can we discuss one thing at a time ?

20:24:34 bounce: hm? how, oh, aml/kyc stuff causes banks to be happy to kick clients out that cause regulatory headaches. why are banks supposed to be policing their clients again?

20:24:53 mircea_popescu: so far what i got from your position is, "curious how the market adjusts the price of the oil barrel, but not what a barrel consists of"

20:24:55 bounce: or that whole spiel with the cows and the senator

20:25:00 mircea_popescu: yes, it has to work that way. some things gotta be fixed.

20:25:35 mircea_popescu: how are either of those two examples of limits ?

20:26:27 bounce: to the point that fixing the points becomes its own game, and they're "fixed" in the sense that a happy few get to move the goalposts but they're not moving any less. they are pretty much guaranteed to be suboptimal, though.

20:27:01 mircea_popescu: which is what "if everything gives every which way you got postmodern us, ie, a mess." is saying.

20:27:52 bounce: was under the impression you were referring to a non-meta-game situation

20:28:57 mircea_popescu: ah kay.

20:29:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, "blocksize elasticity" and all the rest of the derpage is trying to turn bitcoin into whatever, xrp, nxt, whatever the hell.

20:29:42 mircea_popescu: if those things actually worked, they wouldn't have blown up.

20:30:55 bounce: those have variable-sized blocksize limits and that caused them to blow up?

20:30:59 *: bounce hasn't really kept up there

20:31:23 mircea_popescu: no, but they've had "we know shit and we have economists" dev teams

20:31:28 mircea_popescu: and THOSE caused them to blow up.

20:31:32 bounce: no shortage of those

20:32:08 mircea_popescu: looking at things from a distance always helps. "oh, you wish to tell me that if we make this bar so that anyone can come in and not pay a cover charge it'll be cooler ?"

20:32:21 mircea_popescu: totally, this works, yeah. which is why nobody does it in practice o.O

20:32:40 kakobrekla: <bounce> those have variable-sized blocksize limits < i dont know if anyone did this before

20:34:53 mthreat: I can't read Tuur Demester's name without saying it "Turd Meister" in my mind

20:35:10 kakobrekla: bad stenography

20:35:19 mircea_popescu: mthreat it's a common complaint

20:35:34 mthreat: whew

20:36:31 mod6: mircea_popescu: way to hurt some butts in the USGavin fraudsters article. good read. :)

20:36:55 bounce: plenty places without entrance fees. enabling uncool people to have fun too.

20:37:01 mircea_popescu: ;;rated pankkake

20:37:01 gribble: You rated user pankkake on Tue Mar 25 20:14:04 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: dev, my ATC broker.

20:37:07 mircea_popescu: aww, atc.

20:37:12 mod6: ikr :/

20:37:17 mircea_popescu: ;;rate pankkake 1 some lols were head, meanwhile he left.

20:37:19 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pankkake has changed from 3 to 1.

20:38:06 kakobrekla: well, left ba.

20:38:15 mircea_popescu: what else is there ?

20:38:50 mircea_popescu: but no, he quit brokering many months before that, an' he we were sort-of working on a project but apparently never went anywhere.

20:39:30 bounce: call it a vacation

20:39:32 mircea_popescu: mod6 anyway, cheers.

20:39:42 TomServo: Did he ever give an explanation? Was it really SystemD bashing?

20:39:44 mod6: apparently there is no where else. his /wi info lists no other chans. heh.

20:40:04 Apocalyptic: on freenode whois only lists channels you have in common

20:40:11 mircea_popescu: TomServo i have nfi. bounce sure, teh future's an open book.

20:40:13 Apocalyptic: here's in #paymium at the moment, at least

20:40:24 mod6: Apocalyptic: ahh. i see.

20:40:31 Apocalyptic: *he's in

20:46:14 mod6: ;;bc,stats

20:46:16 gribble: Current Blocks: 326208 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 383 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35823836452.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.34656

20:49:56 mod6: ;;seen vragnaroda

20:49:57 gribble: vragnaroda was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 17 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <vragnaroda> I'm American.

20:50:11 mircea_popescu: wonder what became of him

20:50:35 mod6: i feel like maybe he was in a different chan more recently than that. but maybe it has been that long o.O

20:50:37 mircea_popescu: ;;seen staatsfiend

20:50:37 gribble: I have not seen staatsfiend.

20:51:06 mircea_popescu: ;;seen staatsfeind

20:51:07 gribble: I have not seen staatsfeind.

20:54:16 mod6: who was the guy who ran spotify coin? can't recall.. he dropped off the map too.

20:54:39 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in a parking lot, http://sarademcutoti.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/577513_301766546573169_885425518_n.jpg

20:54:41 cazalla: mircea_popescu: how is some derps with no money "considering" buying something that doesn't exist news ? <<< jesse's words, not mine, they did pocket some cash from investors, gotta spruce the japanese launch somehow

20:54:59 mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah but you see what i mean

20:55:12 mircea_popescu: whether we're getting paid for that sort of thing or not, it's still paid pr.

20:55:27 cazalla: mircea_popescu: i get it, caleb and co would like us to think kraken actually exists. that's fine, but it doesn't, and why are you pushing it ? <<< i thought i mentioned their low vol in the article, guess not

20:55:50 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how's the piece coming along ?

20:55:56 mod6: ;;seen mcorlette

20:55:56 gribble: I have not seen mcorlette.

20:56:00 mod6: ;;seen mcorlett

20:56:00 gribble: mcorlett was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 7 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <mcorlett> Except for yourself, of course.

20:56:18 mircea_popescu: o the guy quit, i recall

20:56:21 mod6: 'bout the same time.

20:56:24 mod6: *nod*

20:56:28 mircea_popescu: no fucking way.

20:56:40 mircea_popescu: vrag was iirc a mortar man

20:57:16 mod6: as in artillary?

20:57:26 mircea_popescu: yea

20:57:30 cazalla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla yeah but you see what i mean <<< not really, it's not a promotional piece, just quoting what the man said himself, i'm not too familiar with kraken guys though tbh

20:57:54 mircea_popescu: cazalla but when you quote what the man says whle the man's puffing up his business, you are in fact publishing paid pr.

20:57:58 mircea_popescu: whether you get paid or not.

20:58:10 cazalla: but i should've mentioned the non existent vol kraken has

20:58:17 mod6: ah. yeah, recall some mil stuff he talked about. been a while. i liked his angle on things.

20:58:51 mod6: and he was teh grammar nazi & had a love for beating trolls.

20:59:25 mircea_popescu: ;;rated vragnaroda

20:59:26 gribble: You rated user vragnaroda on Sat Sep 22 16:11:20 2012, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: when he's a naxi who keeps corecteing ppls grammer 24/7.

20:59:37 mod6: haha. yup. :)

20:59:37 mircea_popescu: that was an actual quote.

21:00:31 mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, you can mention the time they lost customer deposits, too, round it all up, since it's there.

21:01:38 kakobrekla: fuck the deposits nice logo

21:01:46 cazalla: when did that happen

21:02:17 mircea_popescu: cazalla few months ago, they had this embarassing moment when they sent the same deposit address to anyone asking for a deposit address for a day or two

21:02:30 mircea_popescu: ended up with ~100 btc in deposits they couldn't properly credit.

21:02:54 kakobrekla: hm i have a different recollection but could as well be wrong

21:03:44 kakobrekla: could be it was a separate incident.

21:04:08 kakobrekla: but anyway, if you need to 'balance' things, you can always link bash :)

21:04:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how did yours go ?

21:05:14 kakobrekla: now that i started to think about it it - the more i think the less i recall

21:05:50 mircea_popescu: heh.

21:06:09 bounce: <mircea_popescu> all that's needed to put someone at a crime scene today is an old hairbrush, or a worn shirt, or anything. << oh yes. there was this mass-everything criminal, showed up everywhere, who eventually turned out to be a sloppy worker in a dna swab factory

21:06:32 kakobrekla: honestly, they still have issues all the time

21:06:37 kakobrekla: hard to keep up whats the latest problem

21:07:12 pete_dushenski: howdy!

21:07:36 mircea_popescu: hey p.

21:08:21 kakobrekla: also i am unable to find anything written re that incident

21:08:48 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu heya wd on that latest usgaving piece :)

21:09:27 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mpoe-pr told kraken pr to quit over their trying to paper over that incident.

21:09:50 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847

21:09:51 assbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG

21:10:09 PinkPosixPXE: Good, almost done, I had to jump in a work meeting to discuss the Bash Shellshock vuln, and repatching some systems.. But I gave BingoBoingo an update, and will be sending it off shortly. It's my first shot at this, so I hope it's not too egregious.

21:10:11 pete_dushenski: fwiw our ddos buddy hit contravex with 30mbit/s for a whopping 30 mins.

21:10:14 cazalla: mircea_popescu, the no vol i'll include but this missing 100 and same deposit address i can find nothing of

21:10:18 PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: ^

21:10:20 mircea_popescu: and it was 600ish bitcoin they admitted to

21:10:30 mircea_popescu: cazalla link above :p

21:10:39 cazalla: ty

21:10:45 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE ok ok

21:10:47 mircea_popescu: ;;unrate PinkPosixPXE

21:10:49 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for PinkPosixPXE.

21:10:57 mircea_popescu: don't go around trying to buy ratings, it's criminal.

21:11:04 kakobrekla: yes rings bells mircea_popescu .

21:11:32 PinkPosixPXE: Yea, that was my mistake, the joke was in poor taste, and I also misunderstood the ranking system a bit. Sorry about that.

21:11:43 mircea_popescu: poor taste never got anyone in trouble here.

21:11:52 mircea_popescu: but some things *are* sacred

21:12:34 kakobrekla: and natural balances of the assiverse were restored

21:12:58 PinkPosixPXE: I will openly admit I am still learning, and new, but will try to avoid putting my foot in my mouth too much :P. I've combed over all the wiki's for bt-otc and bt-assets, and am going through the 6 months of logs as I find time.

21:13:13 mircea_popescu: what do you do for a living anyway ?

21:13:18 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo daniel "speeks" ? i'm not the only one who noticed this...

21:13:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:13:31 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski did the 30mbps do anything ?

21:14:03 PinkPosixPXE: I'm one of the Senior Linux/Unix Admins for a publishing company.

21:14:10 mircea_popescu: a hey. good for you.

21:14:21 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Where I spell ungood this time?

21:14:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i'm told the site was down but it was while i was sleeping. it was back up when i awoke.

21:14:54 pete_dushenski: so not much to speek of...

21:15:02 mircea_popescu: lol

21:15:15 PinkPosixPXE: Thank you much, and thank you for the unrate, and clarifying the matter :).

21:15:19 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while.

21:15:55 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/

21:15:56 assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

21:16:13 pete_dushenski: ^cuz rip penguirker

21:17:02 mircea_popescu: ahahaha didja run off with the niquette piece ?

21:18:23 pete_dushenski: ...maybe

21:18:40 pete_dushenski: plus some money logs!

21:20:29 pete_dushenski: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jgmbm/we_won_without_trying/

21:20:29 assbot: We won without trying : Bitcoin

21:20:48 mircea_popescu: good, stuff needs to breathe.

21:21:37 pete_dushenski: in through the nose, out through the mouth.

21:21:50 mircea_popescu: "All those haters that come in here with economic models and charts telling us it's impossible; all the hit pieces penned by pros like Krugman telling us to 'grow up' - none of them really quite grasp that there could possibly be a group of people who have the audacity to sit around their hallowed poker table without needing to win."

21:21:52 mircea_popescu: ahem.

21:22:00 mircea_popescu: "bitcoin won without the reddit doge derps trying"

21:22:03 mircea_popescu: .... right. so ?

21:22:12 pete_dushenski: so majick!

21:22:28 mircea_popescu: let's pretend like things are other things and stuff!1

21:22:42 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo maybe this is qorth a qntra ? http://www.tonewsto.com/2014/10/jp-morgans-jamie-dimon-bitcoin-will-try.html

21:22:43 assbot: JP Morgan’s Jamie Dimon: Bitcoin Will “Try to Eat Our Lunch” | Cryptocurrency And Bitcoin News information on other digital currencies.

21:23:31 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu reddit is bitcoin and vice versa so bitcoin winning is because of derpage!

21:24:03 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You want to give newswriting a try? It's fun.

21:24:30 pete_dushenski: i did for a few years with the car industry.

21:24:36 mircea_popescu: lol isn't he a tad late ? but yeah

21:24:38 pete_dushenski: i had fun with it too.

21:24:45 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so write it up.

21:25:15 pete_dushenski: yes mlad

21:25:25 pete_dushenski: :)

21:25:42 mircea_popescu: lol

21:26:42 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while. < meh the only way you can do anything in this direction is to be another reseller

21:27:15 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla best i can tell, all someone needs to do is a) be a sysadmin and b) colocate a few boxes in a decent dc

21:27:17 mircea_popescu: then sell space.

21:27:57 kakobrekla: adding another liability in the chain

21:28:12 mircea_popescu: a liability could be a responsibility.

21:28:22 mircea_popescu: if it's someone you trust then it's someone you trust.

21:28:50 mod6: yea, we need The Crypt like in cryptonomicon

21:28:59 mircea_popescu: colocate in locked boxes, don't allow the dc or anyone else any sort of access to the boxes, kivm or whatever

21:29:11 mircea_popescu: thus creating a single point of failure. which people can evaluate for trust.

21:29:12 kakobrekla: btc people wont pay for premium host

21:29:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00074197 = 17.6589 BTC [+] {2}

21:29:18 kakobrekla: cheap dirtbags

21:29:29 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla listen, people like the amateur ddos guy will be helping with this.

21:29:41 kakobrekla: by ddosing?

21:29:42 mircea_popescu: consider yest, qntra was up but say bingo's blog was down. well ? what's he to do ?

21:29:44 mircea_popescu: and yeah he'd pay.

21:29:46 mircea_popescu: yep

21:31:58 kakobrekla: average blogger cant afford any but free hosting

21:32:18 mircea_popescu: blogger that can't afford any but free hosting should stfu and turn the fries.

21:32:37 mircea_popescu: the idea that poor people have something to say boggles.

21:34:07 kakobrekla: dunno, with hosting providers having the margins same as the fees of bitcoin exchanges

21:34:16 kakobrekla: there isnt much space

21:34:42 mircea_popescu: !up dr_love

21:34:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i specifically recall say asciilifeform asking for one.

21:35:08 mircea_popescu: it's rare that you get the customers asking for you, usually people have to create markets

21:35:23 dr_love: mircea_popescu: thanks.

21:35:27 mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?

21:35:30 kakobrekla: how did bitvps do?

21:35:42 dr_love: is there any value in a provably fair bitcoin lottery?

21:35:45 mircea_popescu: great, up until rg went on a drinking binge or w/e it was he did

21:35:52 mircea_popescu: dr_love define lottery ?

21:36:17 jurov: kakobrekla bitvps went down in flames

21:36:36 jurov: and kicked its customers at first occassion

21:36:55 kakobrekla: classic problem of small providers

21:36:57 dr_love: mircea_popescu: when you need to buy a ticket to have a 1 in xxx,xxx,xxx chance to win the jackpot

21:37:04 mircea_popescu: in short i'd put bitvps down to poor management rather than poor fundamentals.

21:37:13 mircea_popescu: dr_love how is this different from a dice site ?

21:37:13 kakobrekla: when one customer will threaten all the seven you got

21:37:42 BingoBoingo: dr_love: I'd recommend picking a fiat lottery and starting a BitBet on its drawing

21:37:44 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's a flawed premise. collective security, baby.

21:37:46 dr_love: mircea_popescu: player's perception? the jackpot grows huge after a few rollovers

21:37:58 kakobrekla: like cloudflare!

21:38:00 mircea_popescu: dr_love so it's a dice meets gem site ?

21:38:43 dr_love: well yeah, I was just looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroMillions#Distribution_of_revenue, where 50% goes to shit

21:38:44 assbot: EuroMillions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21:38:59 dr_love: a Bitcoin lottery could do much better than that

21:39:09 mircea_popescu: dr_love basically it's a marketing wrapper on top of a dice site. best work as a promoter then i guess.

21:39:55 jurov: mircea_popescu: how do you imagine economic model of such hosting? if we put everything onnto one basked and then one ddos burns $100/week of bandwidth, who'll pay?

21:39:58 dr_love: so you're saying all gambling is dice, it being the best way to put it out there?

21:40:07 jurov: *basket

21:40:23 BingoBoingo: dr_love: Write a bitbet "Between XX/YY/ZZZ and AA/BB/CCC the sum of the numbers drawn in a powerball drawing will be Divisible by 37" put 1 BTC on yes, wait for people to take the other side when they do the math.

21:40:24 dr_love: *the best, most efficient wrapper

21:40:28 mircea_popescu: jurov a) most dcs that are even half decent don't charge for ddos ; b) those that do rent you fixed pipe anyway

21:40:29 kakobrekla: 100$ a week should not be a number of importance

21:40:32 mircea_popescu: so i dun get the question.

21:40:49 kakobrekla: or you are doing it wrong

21:40:54 mircea_popescu: buy 10gpps, put a rack in there, forget it.

21:41:11 dr_love: BingoBoingo: that is interesting

21:41:20 jurov: so you'll gonna having customers that dwarf the $100 figure right from the start?

21:41:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14904 @ 0.00074128 = 11.048 BTC [-]

21:41:33 BingoBoingo: dr_love: BitBet only takes 1% and most people who bet there can math

21:41:47 jurov: is asciilifeform actually paying so much for his blog?

21:41:56 jurov: *wanting to pay

21:42:17 mircea_popescu: jurov so if a business isn't insta-cash positive it shouldn't exist ?

21:42:21 kakobrekla: no, he didnt get ddosed & kicked out yet :)

21:42:27 BingoBoingo: jurov: Well... if he doesn't have any other way to spend BTC it might be their only way to avoid burial with him.

21:42:34 mircea_popescu: start with oh i dunno, 10k in venture capital

21:44:06 mircea_popescu: !up MCM-Mike

21:44:37 jurov: i'm a dc noob... how much is such a pipe?

21:44:39 BingoBoingo: http://www.missilebases.com/#!communications-bunker-paris-mo/c1kkg << prototype for BTC datacenter?

21:44:39 assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties

21:44:41 dr_love: mircea_popescu: so dice is the cutting edge in gambling, you're saying

21:45:02 mircea_popescu: jurov depends a lot where and for how long you're getting it, really.

21:45:02 BingoBoingo: dr_love: Well dice is the prototype for all of the pure chance games

21:45:15 dr_love: btw, why aren't you running JD already?

21:45:27 mircea_popescu: cuz dooglus is not answering emails ?

21:45:30 PinkPosixPXE: There are some BTC only vps providers out there that I've gleamed, but haven't dug in.. Would be interesting to look into, I've got all the experience needed, and a few others I know are vps sellers/resellers (not that I'd recommend many of them, heh.. but I just find their style a bit sloppy).

21:45:32 dr_love: fucker

21:45:46 dr_love: what a waste :(

21:45:56 mircea_popescu: hey, his thing.

21:46:19 PinkPosixPXE: brb, gonna finish this novel up and send it to BingoBoingo.

21:46:28 BingoBoingo: Oh a long one!

21:46:36 mircea_popescu: jesus, qntra chick lit now.

21:47:32 *: jurov is pondering http://www.maxdedicated.com/10GBPS-Unmetered-Server.html

21:47:33 assbot: 10GBPS Unmetered Dedicated Servers Windows and Linux Cpanel PLESK WHM

21:47:41 jurov: $600/mo +

21:47:49 PinkPosixPXE: Well.. since it's my first, I figure you can at least cut and scrap what you don't like. But I wanted to include as much as I could, didn't realize it'd be so long, heh..

21:47:55 mircea_popescu: jurov that's a reseller.

21:48:08 jurov: just ballparking

21:48:25 mircea_popescu: should be more or less in the $100 range that you were discussing.

21:48:42 dr_love: BingoBoingo: what's "exciting" in lotto is the huge, lifechanging jackpot. dice is much more real in that sense, so the conversion rate might just be bigger in lotto

21:48:44 mircea_popescu: but very congested places it can run significantly more, and some (esp new) places may be giving it away free for a long commit

21:49:10 mircea_popescu: dr_love understand : either the player wins his own money (ie, risks 1 cent, may make 100 btc 1:10000 times)

21:49:13 bounce: "13 acres" parces size and "8200 sqft usable, underground space". seems like a rather small bunker for that plot of land. so essentially buying a farm with some stray concrete in the soil?

21:49:21 bounce: s/parces/parcel/

21:49:30 mircea_popescu: or else he wins other's money. to get a jackpot large you need a bunch of idiots to play a bad odds gamre for a long time.

21:49:38 mircea_popescu: they may just as well play dice in that interval for better EV

21:49:53 BingoBoingo: bounce: Well more parcel for smaller bunker means more surface area for missiles to miss

21:50:05 dr_love: I do understand that, however people are perceiving it differently and positive EV tickets are a few jackpot rollovers away

21:50:11 mircea_popescu: bounce 8k sqft underground is a respectable wine cellar.

21:50:47 mircea_popescu: dr_love you can still run it like BingoBoingo suggested, for no extra cost, if you got the "people" in question

21:51:27 bounce: what was it used for, missiles?

21:53:12 BingoBoingo: bounce: That one ATT long lines.

21:53:25 BingoBoingo: Another interesting candidate for DC use http://www.missilebases.com/#!storage-depot-ne-kansas/c1d1o

21:53:26 assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties

21:53:41 BingoBoingo: "Storage Depot"

21:54:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty much the only thing about a dc location is if it's on a ring or not.

21:54:36 mircea_popescu: is there one in kansas ?

21:54:46 bounce: that's positive, means presumably already optimised for sticking in racked gear, except probably not for the density and consequent heat required these days

21:55:13 dr_love: what if you fund it for it to be neutral EV from t0 with a little jackpot kickstarter fund on the side? you can surely make it back if you grab enough attention with the initial offering

21:55:27 BingoBoingo: That one seems to be by KC, so probably feasible to get fiber from a few different directions

21:55:40 bounce: might be more useful to shoot for two of those connected to each other, and stick some fibre in the connecting tubes. maybe check if there's still copper in there and sell it.

21:57:02 kakobrekla: speaking of bunkers http://www.cyberbunker.com/web/swat.php

21:57:03 assbot: CyberBunker DataCenters

21:57:03 kakobrekla: heh

21:57:16 mircea_popescu: http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/m.dodge/cybergeography/atlas/williamscommunications_large.gif << seems west kansas should be ok

21:57:42 BingoBoingo: http://www.missilebases.com/#!nike-indiana/c1aq8 << Missile Magazine to home conversion

21:57:43 assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties

21:58:02 mircea_popescu: dr_love hence the "gem website" reference.

21:59:10 bounce: cb3rob and friends are complete nitwits, sadly. claim to've snagged the thing "with sovereignty" then allows a bunch of idiots to burn the place down with a meth lab and on top of that lets the (soi-disant foreign) authorities in.

21:59:54 mircea_popescu: Once the SWAT team reached the bunker's blast doors, they 'knock' to announce their presence. It is unclear exactly what they say, as no sound is recorded from the surveillance system. CyberBunker is equipped with an advanced Intruder Detection System (IDS), however due to a testing drill the previous night the IDS system was accidentally left in the inactive mode. Two SWAT officers are seen to hit the blast door of th

21:59:54 mircea_popescu: e bunker with a battering ram. It must not have occurred to the officers that the blast doors were designed to withstand a 20 megaton nuclear explosion from close range. When the SWAT team realized that the door was not being opened for them, they throw flashbangs and take other actions to draw attention. The surveillance footage shows quite a lot of activity at this point. On the other side of the blast doors, no one

21:59:55 mircea_popescu: inside the bunker noticed anything unusual. The SWAT team did some further investigating, and appears to be making phone calls. Finally the SWAT team realized what occurred when City Hall attempted to breach the blast doors. Apparently recognizing that they had gone overboard on their raid, the SWAT team decided to go home.

21:59:59 mircea_popescu: aww.

22:00:53 mircea_popescu: dat phonecall lol. like a chick stood up on a date, only lulzier.

22:01:21 bounce: that is the upside to "forgetting" to turn on your "advanced surveillance system" on your cold war bunker. "what, swat tried to raid us? didn't notice"

22:01:35 undata: that is beautiful

22:01:39 mircea_popescu: "CyberBunker's lawyers later discovered that the police had indeed sent officers to the bunker for what they claimed was a ?routine check? and that nothing out of the ordinary had taken place. When CyberBunker's lawyers suggested that the surveillance footage could be put online, the police department then quickly offered to pay to repair the damage caused to the fence.

22:01:39 mircea_popescu: After paying ? 8088.- euros to CyberBunker, nothing further was heard from the SWAT team."

22:01:42 mircea_popescu: ahem. shitheads.

22:01:54 BingoBoingo: !up dr_love

22:02:14 BingoBoingo: !up Diablo-D3

22:02:24 kakobrekla: at least they admi it

22:02:24 Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: that was proven to be completely false

22:02:25 kakobrekla: admit

22:02:28 Diablo-D3: someone called their local cops

22:02:31 Diablo-D3: it never happened

22:02:58 kakobrekla: yeah like cops will say "yeah we are such dorks"

22:03:09 kakobrekla: not saying its true story, just your argument is meh

22:03:19 Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: they did a lot of research into it

22:03:25 Diablo-D3: and theres zero proof it ever happened

22:03:29 undata: "It was ruled a suicide with 4 shots to the back of the head."

22:03:34 kakobrekla: reeshurrdurrch

22:03:43 Diablo-D3: so cyberbunker is just another scam

22:03:59 undata: Diablo-D3: citation

22:04:06 mircea_popescu: "they". who ?

22:04:08 Diablo-D3: undata: well thats the problem

22:04:21 Diablo-D3: undata: cyberbunker needs to cite that it actually happened

22:04:33 Diablo-D3: and by their own admission, they wont post the video

22:04:44 Diablo-D3: but its not because they were paid off by the police to hide it

22:04:48 Diablo-D3: its because there isnt one

22:05:13 mircea_popescu: it could be, sure.

22:05:20 mircea_popescu: or it could not be. so far, word against word.

22:05:41 Diablo-D3: people were even offering money for proof

22:05:44 Diablo-D3: nothing ever came up

22:05:52 mircea_popescu: "people" "money", meh.

22:06:03 Diablo-D3: this was big news a few years back

22:06:08 undata: Diablo-D3: yeah, I want citations in both directions

22:06:23 Diablo-D3: undata: well, Im not going to cite something that long ago

22:06:32 Diablo-D3: I dont think the scam is still operating

22:06:34 mircea_popescu: so basically you had nothing to say ?

22:06:43 undata: Diablo-D3: you're claiming "scam" hence citation or gtfo

22:06:45 Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I already said it

22:06:47 Diablo-D3: it was debunked.

22:06:52 mircea_popescu: except it wasn't.

22:07:04 Diablo-D3: no proof it ever happened, they refused to provide it

22:07:08 Diablo-D3: so it never happened

22:07:08 mircea_popescu: right.

22:07:13 mircea_popescu: good enough.

22:08:23 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://sarademcutoti.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/424219_347892685293888_904705219_n.jpg

22:09:43 mircea_popescu: ahhh. hey, am i the only strega fan here ?

22:09:51 mircea_popescu: ;;google liquore strega

22:09:52 gribble: Strega (liqueur) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strega_(liqueur); Liquore Strega Herbal Liqueur Profile and Cocktail Recipes - Cocktails: http://cocktails.about.com/od/liqueurscordials/p/Strega-Liqueur.htm; Liquore Strega : Strega Alberti Benevento S.p.A.: http://www.strega.it/Store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1

22:09:53 dr_love: mircea_popescu: is it off topic if I ask you what do you think of jarmusch, the filmmaker? any fav movies?

22:10:10 mircea_popescu: dr_love nothing's offtopic anyway. kakobrekla's favourite film director.

22:10:59 kakobrekla: certainly one of the fav yes.

22:11:06 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla who else ?

22:11:41 dr_love: I'm just starting to discover him, watched the limits of control recently

22:11:49 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters coffee and cigarettes

22:11:50 gribble: Coffee Talk Table of Contents - Columbia Evangelical Seminary: http://www.columbiaseminary.org/coffeetalk/; UI Critical Thinking Handbook: Chapter Seven -- Theory: http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/crit_think/chapter-seven-1.htm; Topic tags for the tutor2u Economics blog: http://www.tutor2u.net/blog/index.php/economics/tags

22:11:54 mircea_popescu: hm

22:12:07 kakobrekla: nothing out of the ordinary list. kubrick and such.

22:12:44 kakobrekla: and from 'local' ones, kustarica

22:15:16 *: Adlai liked ghost dog

22:16:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, i thought i had written about coffee and ciggs. seems not ?!

22:17:12 dr_love: you should

22:17:13 kakobrekla: dr_love : from him dead man and the limits of control

22:17:25 kakobrekla: dead men being lulzy as fuck

22:17:41 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla o you didn't like coffee and ciggs ?

22:18:03 kakobrekla: i dont recall if i watched it?

22:18:24 dr_love: kakobrekla, what about only lovers left alive

22:18:49 kakobrekla: i havent seen it

22:19:01 kakobrekla: seems a new thing

22:19:24 kakobrekla: limits of control is a metaphysical art movie.

22:19:30 mircea_popescu: !up morgan-freeman_

22:20:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35225 @ 0.00074068 = 26.0905 BTC [-] {4}

22:21:23 morgan-freeman_: hey guys, did you see this epic use of bitcoin? www.shitexpress.com

22:21:25 dr_love: kakobrekla: ye, I like the way his movies aren't intended as message films. it's more like art, really

22:21:27 morgan-freeman_: i am literally laughing my shit off

22:21:53 kakobrekla: morgan-freeman_ now you only need to ship it.

22:22:24 morgan-freeman_: to shit it and ship it

22:22:33 kakobrekla: dr_love myea sort of. one more than others naturally.

22:22:40 mircea_popescu: morgan-freeman_ let me guess, you can mail shit to people ?

22:23:07 kakobrekla: correct

22:23:47 mircea_popescu: new way to stegano, i guess.

22:23:50 morgan-freeman_: well, I don't know but there is only a horse manure as a choice.. once I saw an elephant shit on one site, but no bitcoins

22:24:12 bounce: why are you spamming this in as many channels as you can?

22:24:24 mircea_popescu: yeah, morgan-freeman_ is this your site ?

22:24:57 dr_love: what do you guys listen to?

22:25:34 mircea_popescu: http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/paul-krugmans-house/view/bing/ << send krugman one lb, i'll pay you once he gets it.

22:25:34 assbot: Paul Krugman's house (Bing Maps) - Virtual Globetrotting

22:25:57 kakobrekla: >At the end of a tree-lined driveway in the small Dutch town of Goes sits a hulking gray bunker, a communications center built by the Dutch military in 1955. Its 60 rooms are mostly bare save for a few relics, including a cinderblock-size phone and a giant board that used to record nuclear attack alert levels across Europe. There’s no sign of the high-tech nerve center depicted on the CyberBunker website: no racks of supersecur

22:25:57 kakobrekla: e servers; no underground swimming pool. No Sven Olaf Kamphuis either.

22:26:47 kakobrekla: lol

22:27:00 kakobrekla: apparently a legit company bought this fake company bunker.

22:27:08 kakobrekla: legit hosting company

22:27:10 kakobrekla: dunno

22:27:10 mircea_popescu: haha link ?

22:27:12 kakobrekla: all is weird

22:27:15 morgan-freeman_: bounce: I don't spam! my friends told me to put it on #bitcoin-assets and #bitcoin-otc - I've never seen these two channels so I tried

22:27:16 kakobrekla: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-04/cyberbunker-hacking-as-performance-art

22:27:16 assbot: CyberBunker: Hacking as Performance Art - Businessweek

22:27:30 bounce: who're these friends of yours?

22:27:31 kakobrekla: “It was all Photoshop,” says Guido Blaauw, general manager of the bunker’s current tenant, a company called Bunkerinfra Datacenters, which plans to turn the site into a data facility for corporate and government clients. The building was full of junk when Bunkerinfra started renovations two years ago. “It took us three months to clean it out,” Blaauw says. Kamphuis lived there for a few years in the early 2000s, sub

22:27:31 kakobrekla: letting a room from its owner at that time. According to Blaauw, Kamphuis seized on the image of the bunker as a marketing tool to attract Russian and Chinese clients who wanted a secure place to host their websites. “It’s time to put an end to the fairy tale,” Blaauw says.

22:27:57 mircea_popescu: o hey.

22:28:41 morgan-freeman_: bounce: just my friends :-) but I suppose some of their friends created the website

22:29:01 bounce: that isn't really an answer.

22:29:17 morgan-freeman_: bounce: or they saw it today on producthunt.com

22:29:37 undata: :-) One weird trick to mail shit to your friends! Must see!

22:30:20 BingoBoingo: morgan-freeman_: How is your shit better than the shit I can by by the truckload at the farm down the road for a few dollars a ton?

22:30:45 dr_love: I know a few people who I look up to, who have bad taste in art. I always wondered if there's a correlation of some sort

22:31:02 kakobrekla: bing'o'shit express?

22:31:07 mircea_popescu: dr_love some pretty girls are terrible lays, too.

22:31:10 mircea_popescu: just how the world works.

22:31:32 mircea_popescu: lol bing'o'shit express now that sounds like business.

22:32:12 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well if you are mailing shit why get clean clinically presentd shit from the Internet while there's piles of shit Dairy farms are selling which has been stewing all summer.

22:33:07 kakobrekla: hmm

22:33:29 kakobrekla: for more effect you could just modify a 'jokerbox' to 'shitbox'

22:33:40 kakobrekla: illustration not necessary.

22:34:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36621 @ 0.00074029 = 27.1102 BTC [-]

22:37:37 mircea_popescu: !up dr_love

22:38:45 dr_love: means it works the other way too? retards can show appreciation for good art?

22:39:04 mircea_popescu: sure.

22:39:19 mircea_popescu: dogs loive music all the time, too.

22:39:56 dr_love: or shit artists can create good art, from time to time

22:41:26 dr_love: illustrious example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KQoHKkZZkA

22:41:26 assbot: GEORGE MICHAEL Spinning the wheel - YouTube

22:42:41 dr_love: sorry, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSoMTkn_Qfg

22:42:41 assbot: George Michael - Spinning The Wheel - YouTube

22:45:31 fluffypony: I'm 14 and what is this

22:45:32 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.8359 BTC. Current weight: 64,561.

22:46:50 bounce: oh. you went over to the dark side too then?

22:53:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23753 @ 0.00074005 = 17.5784 BTC [-] {2}

22:54:01 asciilifeform: jurov: is asciilifeform actually paying so much for his blog << machine is wanted for nosuchlabs.com - currently home to 'phuctor.' i've an astonishingly vast quantity of donated pubkeys - job that wants real, vs. virtual, cpu to crunch (and plentiful memory)

22:54:35 asciilifeform: bunker << if against usg - grave. marauders - sure, so long as you have independent air, water, fuel, food supplies.

22:54:55 asciilifeform: if you're a very special customer, they'll pump in sarin/vx.

22:55:11 bounce: what sort of cpu do you need? would gpu do?

22:55:12 asciilifeform: these were never designed to withstand physical attack by men (vs nuke)

22:55:16 asciilifeform: bounce: no

22:56:32 asciilifeform: my father, as a private in soviet army, was trained, like many others, to take out 'silo' type missile installations with ordinary grenade. (how? jam the door by propping small explosive, e.g., grenade, under one rail. tricky bit is to get to the damn thing, across an ocean and under guard...)

22:57:03 asciilifeform: but hypothetical enemy in our modern scenario has no problem getting to the door.

22:59:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16130 @ 0.00073892 = 11.9188 BTC [-] {2}

22:59:46 cazalla: "blah blah new australian exchange is where investors, traders and everyday people come to buy and sell Bitcoin." today's vol 21 btc

23:00:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6570 @ 0.0007382 = 4.85 BTC [-]

23:01:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat operating inside?

23:01:54 kakobrekla: isnt cutting the net pipe the first and the last thing ?

23:02:13 BingoBoingo: ^ that

23:02:46 BingoBoingo: But who knows? maybe drilling netpipe to china will be feasible eventually

23:06:29 kakobrekla: even if you have a netpipe straight down its sill easy to undercut it

23:06:38 kakobrekla: :\

23:07:05 BingoBoingo: Yeah

23:07:07 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla through earth pipe will never happen

23:07:14 BingoBoingo: It might

23:07:18 mircea_popescu: mantle movements and besides, it's where lava comes from

23:07:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it provably won;t, no.

23:07:29 kakobrekla: shutthefuckup in this metaphysical conversation

23:07:38 mircea_popescu: lmao

23:07:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No one said it would last

23:08:00 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo my first qntra is ready for your consideration: http://pastebin.com/ctTHPWbg

23:08:01 assbot: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" - Pastebin.com

23:08:34 BingoBoingo: Just needs to work long enough to pass "hello Wor[melts]" kind of like reverse moon probe

23:08:51 mircea_popescu: o hecy check that out, 7 pieces today so far ?

23:09:26 pete_dushenski: what a team!

23:09:43 mircea_popescu: im pretty impressed yeah

23:10:05 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo hopefully you have footnotes plug-in that accepts double brackets ?

23:10:16 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Who doesn't

23:10:24 mircea_popescu: lol standards are a thinb

23:10:31 pete_dushenski: lol there's a square bracket one too yknow

23:10:54 pete_dushenski: i don't use it but it exists

23:11:35 pete_dushenski: and i kept the contravex links to a single one ;)

23:11:40 Apocalyptic: in other news http://rt.com/news/197648-moscow-vnukovo-jet-crash/

23:11:50 mircea_popescu: "I am Ratna, 47 years, still having good figure, which is a result of satisfying fucking with different people during last 15 year. In my first 32 year I took only one cock in my cunt whereas in next 15 year I must have taken at least 3000 cocks in my body. This all because of my only son."

23:11:51 mircea_popescu: logic.

23:12:17 pete_dushenski: yup. no conflating variables there.

23:12:17 xanthyos: <@xanthyos> AND SB SAW MY PENIS, WHICH IS LIKE A GRANDMOTHER TO ME, SINCE MINE DIED

23:12:45 mircea_popescu: all these planes keep crashing in russia ...

23:13:09 kakobrekla: but its been like days since the last one

23:13:37 mircea_popescu: ah right. nm, my bad.

23:13:37 pete_dushenski: still safer than russian cars too so that maxim holds

23:15:25 kakobrekla: he ends with 'im sure we will be getting in more details as we get them.'

23:15:31 kakobrekla: righto

23:17:47 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-tells-big-banks-thanks-for-lunch/ << pete_dushenski

23:17:47 assbot: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" | Qntra.net

23:18:22 kakobrekla: >his new Lords < extra space

23:19:21 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/524339019954794497

23:19:23 assbot: My first piece for /qntra: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" http://t.co/DtFQOFXNEL

23:20:36 pete_dushenski: my goodness we're an efficient bunch

23:20:46 *: pete_dushenski getting teary

23:22:46 pete_dushenski: have a wonderful evening b-a!

23:24:26 kakobrekla: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pics no worky: <pete_dushenski>

23:24:26 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:24:29 kakobrekla: eh

23:24:37 kakobrekla: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pics no worky: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/31/y-combinator-the-american-idol-of-venture-capital/

23:24:37 assbot: Y Combinator: The American Idol of Venture Capital | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

23:24:37 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:24:59 *: kakobrekla will fix all your sites

23:40:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13705 @ 0.0007382 = 10.117 BTC [-]

23:54:15 mircea_popescu: lol kako teh pentester