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Transcript for 20-11-2015, 1006 lines:

00:04:51 mircea_popescu: first!

00:22:00 BingoBoingo: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-11-2015#1325040 see https://archive.is/XY2Gy "Yeah no orals this go around unless mid cycle bloods are good then I'm gonna throw in some superdrol for super masturbation ????"

00:22:00 assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 04:02:53; mircea_popescu: do they take it with tylenol ?

00:22:02 assbot: Bloodwork... Don't drink on orals. : steroids ... ( http://bit.ly/1kJ2vFU )

00:28:23 BingoBoingo: And I thought my drinking was really testing the liver's hitpoints

00:44:25 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/7JhnCfc.jpg

00:44:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kJ4H0h )

00:45:18 shinohai: dafuq

00:45:28 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/RbdGsiU.gif

00:45:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kJ4Pg5 )

00:49:38 BingoBoingo: shinohai: You've never seen a powered pepper grinder?

00:57:44 shinohai: I have a powered pepper grinder, just not of the drill attachment sort

00:58:03 asciilifeform: l0l i assumed the cock goes in the right end

00:58:11 asciilifeform: and the pepper is agitated by the drill chuck

00:59:20 shinohai: must be 2 1337 4 me

01:05:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42320 @ 0.0005154 = 21.8117 BTC [-] {2}

01:08:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00051522 = 10.4074 BTC [-]

01:14:09 BingoBoingo: http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw-photos/

01:14:10 assbot: Reuters Issues a Worldwide Ban on RAW Photos ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oi5E9h )

01:19:17 asciilifeform: ok this is lulzy enough to be worth a monologue

01:19:23 asciilifeform: goes straight to:

01:19:30 asciilifeform: !s what color are your bits

01:19:31 assbot: 0 results for 'what color are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+color+are+your+bits

01:19:37 asciilifeform: !s color bits

01:19:37 assbot: 7 results for 'color bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=color+bits

01:19:54 asciilifeform: !s colour bits

01:19:55 assbot: 14 results for 'colour bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=colour+bits

01:20:41 asciilifeform: http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php << obligatory megaclassic

01:22:00 asciilifeform: what can be inferred from BingoBoingo's link is that reuters has bought into some software sc4mz0r's idiocy where there is, presumably, a proggy which claims to distinguish between jpeg that was crapped out by a camera vs one that was downconverted from 'raw'

01:22:24 asciilifeform: (the latter being a bitwise dump of raw ccd output)

01:23:38 asciilifeform: 'RAW photos do allow for a greater degree of post-processing flexibility, so based on the new policy, it appears that Reuters found that photos processed from RAWs are more likely to distort the truth.' << as if one could not easily produce whatever jpeg is expected

01:23:40 ben_vulpes: i thought bitwise dumps went out forever ago.

01:24:01 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not in $maxint dslr land

01:24:17 asciilifeform: iirc even ipnohe saves 'raw' internally

01:24:31 asciilifeform: (so that your flash fills faster, and goads you to buy $next phone)

01:24:32 ben_vulpes: when you say 'latter' do you mean the raw or the jpeg produced by the camera?

01:24:43 asciilifeform: raw

01:25:11 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha per http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/03_inside-apples-perfectionism-machine-adnotated.html#fn.16

01:25:13 assbot: Inside Apple's perfectionism machine, adnotated ... ( http://bit.ly/1O72gzJ )

01:25:19 asciilifeform: aha

01:25:24 asciilifeform: precisely as described there

01:25:50 ben_vulpes: ah, i thought you meant the jpegs were some simple transform from ccd to jpeg

01:25:54 asciilifeform: mno

01:25:59 asciilifeform: jpeg is a lossy compress thing

01:26:16 ben_vulpes: right

01:26:21 *: ben_vulpes is appropriately shamefaced

01:26:44 asciilifeform: back to the story,

01:27:23 asciilifeform: seems like reuters bought into some idiocy where a huckster promised to distinguish one stream of bits, having the correct 'colour' (as in the essay, nothing to do with optics, but politics) from another, identical stream, having undesirable colour.

01:28:08 asciilifeform: or, alternatively, no one bought into it, but is a cynical fraud with the public as the mark

01:28:14 asciilifeform: cheap credibility-spray.

01:28:39 kakobrekla: reality is shit therefore your pics must be shit as well.

01:28:41 asciilifeform: 'hey, our photos couldn't possibly be doctored, we perform $ritual !!'

01:29:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53168 @ 0.00052552 = 27.9408 BTC [+] {4}

01:30:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there could be enough detail here for a qntra piece, if you like.

01:30:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll likely produce one in the morning. Got some scribbles of directions to wake up to.

01:38:50 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu gotta revisit http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327881 . wondering now if turk 'hazine', which we have as 'казна' -- 'treasury' -- has any relation to your toilet

01:38:50 assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 23:48:20; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform does "Hasna" mean anything in russian ?

01:38:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:40:24 mircea_popescu: it does.

01:40:29 mircea_popescu: it's what it means in turkish.

01:40:29 asciilifeform: there we go!

01:40:47 asciilifeform: one man's treasure is another's ...

01:40:53 mircea_popescu: cazna, however, is romanian for... torture.

01:41:01 mircea_popescu: because lo and behold! romanians invented coke machine before you did.

01:41:02 asciilifeform: казнь

01:41:07 mircea_popescu: aok

01:41:12 asciilifeform: ^ execution, but originally any serious punishment

01:41:19 asciilifeform: incl. the 3rd degree

01:41:55 asciilifeform: e.g., казни египетские == Plagues of Egypt (bib.)

01:42:31 mircea_popescu: it survives in romanian as a flavourful reflexive verb. to belabour oneself.

01:42:56 asciilifeform: казниться

01:43:20 asciilifeform: (to punish self, typ. anguish with remorse)

01:43:29 asciilifeform: reflexive.

01:44:32 mircea_popescu: i have nfi what that reuters retardation is supposed to be.

01:44:53 *: asciilifeform proposed a hypothesis, see logz

01:44:56 mircea_popescu: so if i have footage that's valuable reuters aims not to buy it because of bureaucratic considerations ?

01:45:04 mircea_popescu: or is this a tacit admission that they don't have any valuable footage anyway.

01:45:30 asciilifeform: it's a totem

01:46:00 asciilifeform: faced with perfectly valid accusation of doctored photos (what lizard media mouthpiece hasn't these?) there is, naturally, a ritualistic defence

01:46:22 mircea_popescu: i guess.

01:46:38 asciilifeform: i suppose i ought to share the reasoning behind my hypothesis

01:46:48 asciilifeform: i follow (on and off) academiwanker pubs

01:47:12 asciilifeform: and the 'distinguish type of camera / detect photoshitting / by jpeg compression artifacts' is a trendy idiocy atm

01:47:44 asciilifeform: we are seeing the end product of a very particular variety of lysenkotron here

01:47:48 mircea_popescu: that i know.

01:48:11 mircea_popescu: seems more likely they want to be able to identify people/cameras , which raw does not allow

01:48:18 mircea_popescu: (as the processing is usally done in gimp on a linux box)

01:48:26 asciilifeform: were sold by some huckster 'identify people and cameras'

01:48:28 mircea_popescu: whereas if done on camera, much less rng, much less variation

01:48:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can already fingerprint "smart"phones by the grav detector things

01:49:19 asciilifeform: only if you're a process running on the thing

01:49:22 asciilifeform: nothing to do with photo

01:49:36 asciilifeform: incidentally 'raw' offers trivial fingerprinting, as it carries sensor defects

01:49:41 asciilifeform: like soviet typewriter fp.

01:49:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not after it's been put through the blender.

01:50:04 asciilifeform: no shit

01:50:20 asciilifeform: as if one could not rasterize jpeg, 'blender', then rejpegize

01:51:18 asciilifeform: which is why i believe that we are seeing the product of a theatrical voodoo production, rather than mathematical reasoning (however flawed)

01:51:29 mircea_popescu: mayhap

01:51:44 asciilifeform: credibility-spray

01:52:00 asciilifeform: sorta like merit-spray and security-spray

01:52:13 asciilifeform: 'we used it and ergo credible so stfu'

01:53:04 asciilifeform: 'only a terrorist would operate a colour printer without yellow dot watermark, ergo either this page came out of yours, or you are accusing a loyal servant of the crown of terrorism'

01:53:40 asciilifeform: 'your fp was on this pistol, step this way sir'

01:53:57 mircea_popescu: heh

01:54:21 asciilifeform: or, more recently, 'this nmr box proves that the accused has seen this knife before'

01:54:34 mircea_popescu: lmao

01:54:41 asciilifeform: all exactly the same scam

01:55:14 mircea_popescu: all scam are exactly the same scam

01:55:19 asciilifeform: also has another element, 'due process'

01:55:31 asciilifeform: 'you got due process, now stfu and sizzle in the electric chair' -- scalia

01:56:31 asciilifeform: (where? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-10-2015#1296444 )

01:56:31 assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 20:16:50; asciilifeform: it was, iirc, 'innocence is not a constitutional bar to punishment'

01:56:49 mircea_popescu: he has a point.

01:56:55 asciilifeform: of course.

01:57:08 asciilifeform: just not a point that 'rule of law' folks like to think about, at least publicly

01:58:02 mircea_popescu: myeah.

01:58:26 asciilifeform: all usg vermin like to prattle re: how the law has a 'spirit' and the authors have 'intent' ~when it suits them~

01:58:47 asciilifeform: but it is also a mechanical thing that 'due processes' you, when likewise suits'em

01:59:26 asciilifeform: as per mircea_popescu's gold coins article

02:00:08 asciilifeform: or the one where 'iou' is legal for usg->chump bond repay, but not for chump->usg tax receipt

02:00:09 asciilifeform: etc.

02:02:52 mircea_popescu: this is inescapable.

02:02:57 mircea_popescu: the alternative being cold equations.

02:03:02 asciilifeform: aha how else!

02:03:13 mircea_popescu: either you have people in charge or you do not.

02:04:44 asciilifeform: the scam is not in hitler's ability to 'cut off your lips if he doesn't like your face' but in the ~pretense~ at this strange 'rule of law' fiction

02:07:28 asciilifeform: the fiction specifically where it is not hitler but a faceless and indestructible (or at least, 'no reasonable person would try to destroy'...) thing that is doing the lip-cutting

02:07:54 asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880 .

02:07:54 assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am

02:11:33 mircea_popescu: a pretense isn't a scam. it's just a pretense.

02:34:26 mircea_popescu: (for the curious minds reading logs : the reason innocence CAN NOT, in any system, no matter how devised, ever be a bar to punishment is that innocence is a metaphysical concept, whereas punishment is physical. no matter what happens, the former will have to be processed, which is the name for moving across realms. no matters what happens this process will be lossy.)

02:35:15 mircea_popescu: at some point the question moves from "whether this man ought to be punished" to "whether this man will be punished".

02:35:23 mircea_popescu: no gallows can be built on an ought.

02:48:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00052521 = 16.4653 BTC [-]

03:04:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a specifically american delusion was the subject of scalia's thing

03:04:46 asciilifeform: where the prisoner supposedly has a shot at 'proving innocence' all the way until the switch is flipped and the chair sizzles

03:05:00 mircea_popescu: im not aware of this

03:05:06 mircea_popescu: what is it, more pop culture ?

03:05:24 asciilifeform: in a sense

03:05:47 asciilifeform: when, e.g., the rosenbergs, sizzled, prior to the day of, telephone was installed not only in their cells but in the room containing the chair

03:06:15 asciilifeform: so there is something like actual custom behind the notion

03:06:32 asciilifeform: scalia's verdict concerned 'dna test'

03:07:02 asciilifeform: which became a thing, and a case concerned whether an already-condemned man were legally entitled to a dnatronic testing

03:07:29 asciilifeform: his opinion held that he were not.

03:07:38 asciilifeform: (scalia's, that is)

03:08:22 asciilifeform: herrera v. collins.

03:10:28 asciilifeform: or hm, no dna in this one ?

03:10:58 asciilifeform: iirc it was a factor in the decision though. that usg would be broken by the expense of being required to offer dnatronics to all death row.

03:11:24 mircea_popescu: something like that.

03:12:16 mircea_popescu: (it's deeper : that any sort of process is broken if it has to be constantly revised by "emerging" metaphysical considerations. basically he ruled that yes, we do release freeze.)

03:13:00 asciilifeform: but in doing so broke with the pretence that a trial is ~actually~ about finding of physical fact.

03:13:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.000526 = 14.6754 BTC [+] {2}

03:14:08 mircea_popescu: the jury found as to the fact.

03:14:28 asciilifeform: (imagine if a judge and jury could themselves be executed, at ANY future point, if a future judge & jury were to find that the earlier had erred.)

03:14:37 mircea_popescu: ...

03:14:44 asciilifeform: how would trial be conducted ?

03:14:52 mircea_popescu: this incidentally is exactly how bitbet works : once a bet has been resolved,

03:14:57 mircea_popescu: THAT RESOLUTION is the reality.

03:15:18 kakobrekla: apart from a few cases where bb fucked up.

03:15:33 mircea_popescu: not thast it never happened : it is not possible for it to have happened.

03:15:37 asciilifeform: and by same token when i start up my fortran and assign 4 to 2, the two integers become equal ?

03:16:01 *: asciilifeform wrote a lisp interpreter as a schoolboy where one could do this

03:16:12 mircea_popescu: mno.

03:16:26 mircea_popescu: there is no "same token".

03:17:10 asciilifeform: papal infallibility ?

03:17:14 mircea_popescu: yes.

03:17:14 asciilifeform: kakobrekla pope ?

03:17:23 mircea_popescu: this is the absolute requisite for men to live in a world "as they wish it to be".

03:17:24 kakobrekla: iirc there was a case or two when the payment went to both sies

03:17:35 asciilifeform: pretty good pope record afaik

03:17:37 mircea_popescu: the alternative is exactly one, and it's known as "chaos" or generally other-bad-things.

03:19:19 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla is pope, mircea_popescu is god, cult transformation is complete

03:19:32 mircea_popescu: afaik kakobrekla has 0 involvement with resolutions on bitbet

03:19:50 kakobrekla: stfu pope sounds cool

03:19:56 mircea_popescu: a ok nm.

03:19:59 mircea_popescu: kakopopo

03:20:00 mircea_popescu: shit.

03:20:02 mircea_popescu: kakopope

03:20:47 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu << lol it tab completes

03:21:04 ben_vulpes: OFC

03:26:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13408 @ 0.000526 = 7.0526 BTC [+] {2}

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03:46:52 asciilifeform: popabrekla.

03:47:24 mircea_popescu: if i ever meet his grandkids that;s what ima tell them to call him!

03:47:59 mircea_popescu: in other news, argentina has "many con chocolate", peanuts in black chocolate. fucking superb.

03:48:16 mircea_popescu: thye also have "higos con almendras", a cube of fig guts with an almond on top

03:48:24 mircea_popescu: i'll end up mayogendered and then everyone will hate me ;/

03:48:30 asciilifeform: l0l

03:48:39 mircea_popescu: for good reason too

03:48:47 mircea_popescu: BUNCHA GEALOUS POORFAGS111

03:49:03 asciilifeform: i think you need hfcs and a truck for 'mayogender'

03:49:28 mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, all my suits were 48 for 20 years, now i'm doing 52.

03:49:33 asciilifeform: and one of those wheelchair things

03:49:48 *: asciilifeform dreamed last night that he rigged an engine to his office chair and decided to never leave it again

03:50:08 mircea_popescu: cuz with dong attachment ?

03:50:24 asciilifeform: wasn't specified

03:50:27 asciilifeform: but for some reason.

03:50:44 asciilifeform: iirc it was more sloth than lust

03:51:49 *: asciilifeform has four-bit emotion register, usually mapped to sloth/greed/wrath/lust

03:52:32 ben_vulpes: heh greed

03:52:36 asciilifeform: two-bit

03:52:38 asciilifeform: motherfucker

03:52:45 *: asciilifeform prolly ought to bed

03:52:51 mircea_popescu: two extra bits for paritits.

03:52:58 ben_vulpes: hyuuu

03:53:00 asciilifeform: l0l aha

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03:58:26 asciilifeform: it was a very surreal dream in a way which doesn't easily come across.

03:58:35 asciilifeform: had legs, could walk, but ~could not be arsed~

03:58:57 asciilifeform: sorta like if someone were to ask mircea_popescu to build ~his own~ gentoo etc.

04:05:00 asciilifeform: speaking of cults,

04:05:06 asciilifeform: who has seen the film 'sound of my voice' ?

04:05:27 asciilifeform: (or 'the east', by same chick - who wrote -and- lead in the film, about roughly the same thing)

04:05:49 asciilifeform: mega-filmz

04:06:54 asciilifeform: afaik she isn't in business any longer. which is imho a shame. was very much sui generis.

04:12:39 mircea_popescu: ican't say i did

04:12:42 *: mircea_popescu adds to list.

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05:08:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11819 @ 0.00051961 = 6.1413 BTC [+]

05:36:36 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1327943 << I read story as "look we don't want you to send 100mb RAWs, or spend time processing them on your laptop, we want the pics before they are on twitter/buzzfeed/whatever"

05:36:36 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 01:27:23; asciilifeform: seems like reuters bought into some idiocy where a huckster promised to distinguish one stream of bits, having the correct 'colour' (as in the essay, nothing to do with optics, but politics) from another, identical stream, having undesirable colour.

05:40:13 ben_vulpes: no lizard hitler in that interpretation, punkman

05:41:35 Naphex: mircea_popescu: i haven't disappeared anywhere.. got a bad case of pneumonia; Working on setting things back on track

05:43:56 punkman: lol http://petapixel.com/2015/11/16/photoshopped-selfie-of-sikh-man-widely-published-as-paris-terrorist/

05:43:57 assbot: Someone Photoshopped this Sikh Guy, and Now the World Thinks He's a Paris Terrorist ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYhulw )

05:45:55 punkman: now tell me that between "ethics and speed", reuters cares about ethics first

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05:46:57 *: ben_vulpes cannot

05:54:12 mircea_popescu: o.O

05:54:26 mircea_popescu: !unrate Naphex

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06:02:51 Naphex: mircea_popescu: have a nasty ass cold which turned into pneumonia, had to reboot my servers and take my keys out of the cold. had a bit of downtime.

06:08:05 Naphex: i'm off to bed. bbl

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07:11:55 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUH91dAWwAA2zgH.jpg:large

07:11:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OUqmiy )

07:14:33 punkman: looking forward to the day buzzfeed acquires AP and their "big stories"

07:35:26 shinohai: http://ca.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/royalty/2015111928332/queen-letizia-rania-madrid/0-140-594/queen-letizia--z.jpg <<< King JC needs a new tailor.

07:35:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYo4Z6 )

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08:57:48 punkman: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/19/global-banks-blockchain-idUSL8N13E36B20151119 "R3 has also brought in bitcoin core developer Mike Hearn, as well as fincancial cryptographer Ian Grigg and bitcoin expert Tim Swanson."

08:57:49 assbot: R3 blockchain group adds 5 banks, brings in technology heavyweights | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1ly8ZaX )

09:18:38 punkman: https://github.com/ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io/tree/master#segregated-witness > https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commits/segwit

09:18:40 assbot: ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OixKkB )

09:18:42 assbot: Commits · sipa/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OixIt2 )

09:19:46 punkman: "Potential for more efficient SPV output creation proofs (used by lightweight clients), as the signatures can be omitted from the transaction data without breaking the Merkle tree structure. Potential for nodes that do not wish to store or verify old transaction signatures, to remove the witness data from disk or not transfer it at all even, reducing blockchain storage/bandwidth amounts by a large factor"

09:20:05 punkman: the latest pill against malleability

09:20:43 adlai: "latest"?

09:22:00 punkman: "Commits on Nov 20, 2015 "

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09:51:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00051781 = 7.9225 BTC [+] {2}

09:54:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51434 @ 0.00051505 = 26.4911 BTC [-] {4}

10:09:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.0005221 = 7.8837 BTC [+] {2}

10:51:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24671 @ 0.00051323 = 12.6619 BTC [-] {2}

11:02:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00051323 = 4.2598 BTC [-] {2}

11:30:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00051798 = 8.6244 BTC [+] {2}

11:53:02 punkman: https://peerj.com/preprints/1515v1/

11:53:04 assbot: Software development: do good manners matter? [PeerJ PrePrints] ... ( http://bit.ly/1XdWvAI )

12:11:37 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 478 @ 0.00313073 = 1.4965 BTC [+] {7}

12:12:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31716 @ 0.00051821 = 16.4355 BTC [+] {3}

12:24:54 jurov: !t m x.eur

12:24:55 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00311983 / 0.00312828 / 0.00324912 (627 shares, 1.96 BTC), 7D: 0.00311983 / 0.0031757 / 0.00333647 (1393 shares, 4.42 BTC), 30D: 0.00286166 / 0.00366047 / 0.00430867 (6913 shares, 25.30 BTC)

12:25:16 jurov: ;;calc 1/0.00312828

12:25:16 gribble: 319.664480162

12:25:34 jurov: ;;ticker --currency eur --market bitcoincentral

12:25:35 gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 300.0, Best ask: 304.5, Bid-ask spread: 4.50000, Last trade: 302.0, 24 hour volume: 105.5782488, 24 hour low: 298.7, 24 hour high: 314.98999999, 24 hour vwap: 304.33510007

12:32:09 *: mircea_popescu enters into the record that had naphex moved to argentina last year he wouldn't have had pneumonia this year.

12:32:21 mircea_popescu: it's never been under 10 here. like ever.

12:39:00 jurov: here in balkans it wasn't under 10 in last half year, either

12:39:42 mircea_popescu: what's half year do for you, you're not moth-lived are you.

12:40:42 *: punkman is wearing shorts and has all the windows open

12:41:31 punkman: (there are people walking around with coats outside)

12:42:48 mircea_popescu: <punkman> looking forward to the day buzzfeed acquires AP and their "big stories" << won't be long now. then they can all sell to some derpy "we make money while sleeping" spam outfit that slashdot got sold to.

12:44:10 mircea_popescu: and don't even get me started on the topic of the spanish rohohoyals. they have magazines here, it's all the chickies read, they keep going on and on about the noblesse refinement and you know, bla bla of the juan carlos clan. and the pictures... my god, the pictures.

12:44:59 punkman: didn't know spanish royalty fans existed until today

12:45:10 mircea_popescu: but what difference does it make, right ? let the squaw chew her squaw candy thinking it's ambrosia, who cares what happens in the colonies and territories at the ends of the earth.

12:45:33 mircea_popescu: ahahaha tim swanson is a bitcoin expert now ?

12:45:43 mircea_popescu: he has a certificate of unexpertise duly issued like last year.

12:46:41 mircea_popescu: <punkman> the latest pill against malleability << no, the latest in "gotta serve the customer" because "customer has come to expect" that "he just wants to".

12:48:07 mircea_popescu: "The more polite developers were, the less time it took to fix an issue. In the majority of the analysed cases, the more developers wanted to be part of a project, the more they were willing to continue working on the project over time."

12:48:13 mircea_popescu: who the fuck are these dumb shits, seriously.

12:48:44 mircea_popescu: i wish to know, what qualifies Giuseppe Destefanis, Marco Ortu, Steve Counsell, Michele Marchesi or Roberto Tonelli to discuss the matter, at all.

12:49:10 mircea_popescu: what makes they believe they understand enough of anything to trust themselves to make a decent model of the thing they purport to study, so as to measure something meaningful and construct conclusions worth considering.

12:49:20 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i wish to know, what qualifies Giuseppe Destefanis, Marco Ortu, Steve Counsell, Michele Marchesi or Roberto Tonelli to discuss the matter, at all. << Their open sore ass

12:49:26 mircea_popescu: i do not seem to remember any name associated in a managerial capacity with any successful project ever.

12:49:40 mircea_popescu: who the fuck told twentysomething derps that they can create pseudoscience out of their ass, i wish to know.

12:51:20 punkman: how long until someone quotes this to Linus

12:51:29 mircea_popescu: and check it out, in order to leave a http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328186 < read the logs. you gotta... "Sign up"

12:51:29 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 12:48:07; mircea_popescu: "The more polite developers were, the less time it took to fix an issue. In the majority of the analysed cases, the more developers wanted to be part of a project, the more they were willing to continue working on the project over time."

12:51:34 mircea_popescu: well done, team derp.

12:51:50 mircea_popescu: punkman someone, never will, by definition of someone.

13:26:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10897 @ 0.00051878 = 5.6531 BTC [+] {3}

13:33:17 jurov: http://bestmobs.com/13mp-pepsi-p1s-smartphone-launched-with-fingerprint-scanner/ " The smartphone named Pepsi Phone P1S which produced by Shenzhen Scooby Communication Equipment Co. Ltd has been launched in China."

13:33:18 assbot: 13MP Pepsi P1S smartphone launched with fingerprint scanner ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqkiGX )

13:51:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/0GGN97F

13:51:22 assbot: dpaste: 0GGN97F ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lqm9eG )

13:57:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato. would work.

13:59:41 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328151 << wut??!!!

13:59:41 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 09:19:46; punkman: "Potential for more efficient SPV output creation proofs (used by lightweight clients), as the signatures can be omitted from the transaction data without breaking the Merkle tree structure. Potential for nodes that do not wish to store or verify old transaction signatures, to remove the witness data from disk or not transfer it at all even, reducing blockchain storage/bandwidth amounts by a large fact

14:00:12 asciilifeform: 'Potential for nodes that do not wish to store or verify old transaction signatures' << didja know we 'needed' this ?? i certainly didn't

14:00:28 mircea_popescu: think of africa!

14:00:33 mircea_popescu: biafracoin!

14:00:46 mircea_popescu: financial revolutions by poor people for poor people

14:00:48 asciilifeform: hivrapewithsandlubricantcoin

14:00:49 mircea_popescu: and assorted insanities.

14:00:59 asciilifeform: muticoin.

14:02:45 mircea_popescu: afrikaans reads exactly like crazy fucking idish on pcp

14:02:52 asciilifeform: sure does

14:03:15 asciilifeform: iirc it is to dutch approx. as ua is to ru

14:03:35 mircea_popescu: almost like some baltic fishermen read a book of jokes (soory i mean joeks) and went "what the fuck is this platdeustch bs! HERE IS HOW REAL MEN SAY IT!"

14:04:23 adlai: !b 4

14:04:24 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2FB3DDT.txt )

14:24:13 mircea_popescu: from that other chan :

14:24:14 mircea_popescu: <DianaComan> prolly it would be for the best to track those numbers down too , but really the list is already longer than my both arms :p

14:24:14 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> go to alf, take shiva lessons.

14:24:21 mircea_popescu: see, i recommend people for employment!

14:24:23 asciilifeform: l0lz

14:24:36 BingoBoingo: !b 5

14:24:37 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TWA3ZS.txt )

14:24:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66200 @ 0.00051318 = 33.9725 BTC [-] {3}

14:25:17 *: asciilifeform still picking self up off the floor after reading the signatureless-tx thing

14:25:37 mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works!

14:25:42 asciilifeform: clearly!

14:25:51 mircea_popescu: the merkle tree is signed! by visa!

14:26:09 mircea_popescu: why do you need bitcoin anyway ? we're here in bitcoin to barnacle innovation into the same old soup! hear us roar!

14:26:25 asciilifeform: imprinted with the anal seal of his scaly majesty's own tail !

14:28:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, this is how it works. extend the franchise, import the poor, pretend it's just as much x as the real x, on it goes.

14:28:58 mircea_popescu: what, bitcoin is a pill against exactly this ? HA!

14:29:56 asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats

14:30:00 gribble: Current Blocks: 384468 | Current Difficulty: 6.5848255179702614E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 385055 | Next Difficulty In: 587 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 43 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

14:30:20 *: asciilifeform observes that his trb nodes have been 10-20 blx steadily behind latest-known, for at least a week

14:30:49 mircea_popescu: 384468 here.

14:30:53 mircea_popescu: methinks you suck.

14:30:58 asciilifeform: no shit

14:31:22 asciilifeform: anyone else operating trb within the reich seeing same ?

14:33:04 asciilifeform: and hm, it's just this one box

14:33:12 asciilifeform: bucephalus has kept up.

14:33:29 asciilifeform: 60 peers.

14:33:51 asciilifeform: uptime == 60 days as of present time.

14:34:46 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328220 << trade on eulora, play on mpex! (r) (tm)

14:34:46 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 14:24:14; mircea_popescu: <DianaComan> prolly it would be for the best to track those numbers down too , but really the list is already longer than my both arms :p

14:38:11 asciilifeform: keel.btc.petertodd.org << had no idea this was a thing.

14:38:18 asciilifeform: isn't he a bootlick of hitler's ?

14:39:24 asciilifeform: doesn't accept incoming sockets, either

14:39:34 asciilifeform: just eats at other folks' tables, yes.

14:40:37 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> isn't he a bootlick of hitler's ? << He seems exceedingly comfortable consorting with confirmed bootlickers

14:47:47 asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/19/us-usa-immigration-mexico-idUSKCN0T82F220151119 << l0lz

14:47:48 assbot: More Mexican immigrants leaving U.S. than entering: Pew | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8NtUu )

14:49:04 asciilifeform: and from same fishwrap,

14:49:05 asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/13/us-pennsylvania-play-idUSKCN0T207N20151113

14:49:06 assbot: Pennsylvania college cancels play after author objects to white actors | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8NF64 )

14:49:34 asciilifeform: 'When he saw the cast photos earlier this month, he demanded through Blickers to know the ethnicity of the actors, she said. "I couldn't stop myself from crying when I saw the photos and realized what was happening," Suh wrote in his e-mail.'

14:51:07 mircea_popescu: what is all this monetization of crying in the us ?

14:51:21 asciilifeform: nfi. perhaps they bottle the tearz ?

14:51:24 mircea_popescu: seems everyone's trying to get himself a spot in the consideration line by the quality and quantity of tears they dispensed, all of a sudden.

14:51:37 mircea_popescu: as if THAT is the relevant thing, that o mai gawd someone cried.

14:51:43 mircea_popescu: who gives a shit and why would they ?

14:51:46 asciilifeform: al schwartz's 'victimhood olympics'

14:52:04 mircea_popescu: ridoinculous. all the tears you can muster and five dollars buys you a cup of coffee

14:52:07 mircea_popescu: provided the shop's open.

14:52:23 asciilifeform: very salty coffee

14:52:42 mircea_popescu: no, they give you a special plate for tears. don't have to cry straight in the cup like fucking savages.

14:52:46 deedbot-: [Qntra] EU Planning Bitcoin "Crackdown" - http://qntra.net/2015/11/eu-planning-bitcoin-crackdown/

14:52:54 mircea_popescu: lolwut

14:53:09 mircea_popescu: now i can't write the article i was gonna write because i gotta read the article he actually wrote

14:53:13 mircea_popescu: I HAVE TEARS IN MY EYES

14:53:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Derp outlets were running pieces on this.

14:53:20 BingoBoingo: lol

14:53:41 mircea_popescu: why isn't it crackup anyway ?

14:53:43 mircea_popescu: isn't down racist ?

14:53:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ordnance

14:54:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: fxd

14:54:31 mircea_popescu: "In the United States where mass shootings are far more common knee jerk reactions typically consist of proposals for new restrictions on firearms, though in Paris, France, and much of the EU more stringent firearms regulations are practically impossible due to the existing draconian restrictions" loller

14:54:46 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why isn't it crackup anyway ? << Crackup happens after crackdown. Tears feed laughter.

14:55:10 mircea_popescu: not bad.

14:55:14 BingoBoingo: tty

14:55:19 asciilifeform: so, davout in coke machine yet ?

14:55:21 mircea_popescu: thanks god reading is faster than writing.

14:55:35 mircea_popescu: poor davout is probably glaring down more and more little karpeleses

14:55:38 mircea_popescu: france's fulla 'em.

14:55:45 davout: was

14:55:57 davout: what coke machine which karpelii?

14:56:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You prolly still oughtta write. You anger levels still seem awfully high after those days without fraudsters for venting your ragehol.

14:56:52 mircea_popescu: davout the coke machine is this putative alf-proposed torturing device to extract bitcoin out of people. he's twisted like that.

14:57:12 asciilifeform: davout: it was, i think, in old thread. it's a kind of iron box where you lock a man and he only gets to eat (corn syrup, by the litre) while he enters valid btc private keys and the cumulative balance not yet exhausted.

14:57:27 davout: interesting

14:57:38 davout: i only remember asciilifeform's rectal heater thing

14:57:51 asciilifeform: also available with optional rectal module

14:58:59 BingoBoingo: also optimal rectal module

15:00:08 asciilifeform: other optional modules available are 'mercytron', which releases hcn gas when address printed on outside of machine is loaded with certain coin; or even 'ransomatron', which opens the lock if a certain coin arrives...

15:00:41 mircea_popescu: and continuig thing, "fuckurmommatron", which delivers gaoler's mother when idem, and so on.

15:01:17 mircea_popescu: as the wise jew once noted, "there's a blessing for anything". ie, there's always a good something to say.

15:01:19 asciilifeform: aha. inquire at dealership for full catalogue.

15:01:22 jurov: what's the advantage over waterboarding?

15:01:26 mircea_popescu: pretty much the only valid covenant.

15:01:33 asciilifeform: jurov: no need for skilled labour

15:01:58 asciilifeform: jurov: and robot can't be bribed or bought, nor 'leaks'

15:02:15 asciilifeform: (unless the gaskets have worn through)

15:02:27 punkman: horses are cheaper than machine

15:02:41 mircea_popescu: whores cheaper than horses.

15:03:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68815 @ 0.00051421 = 35.3854 BTC [+] {3}

15:04:57 punkman: http://2static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/99/57/995795_5616585.jpg

15:04:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PR07bj )

15:05:35 *: BingoBoingo hates to pay holiday rates for seekrits extraction mechanic

15:05:44 davout: asciilifeform: robots can be ssh'd into

15:05:49 jurov: "robot can't be bribed or bought, nor 'leaks'" << the waterboarding stage is just one stage of whole scheme

15:05:56 punkman: http://2static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/89/dc/89dcce_5616585.jpg

15:05:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PR08Mq )

15:06:13 jurov: you'd need robots to autonomously hunt and extract suspects, etc.

15:12:55 mircea_popescu: can we have this in sci-fi ?

15:14:33 mircea_popescu: http://2new4.fjcdn.com/pictures/Corrupted_4d9927_5616585.jpg ahahaha great

15:14:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PR0DpV )

15:14:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37313 @ 0.00051282 = 19.1349 BTC [-] {3}

15:18:10 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://2new4.fjcdn.com/pictures/Corrupted_4d9927_5616585.jpg ahahaha great << Should have watched his prolactin, but good for him embracing the gyno

15:18:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PR0DpV )

15:18:18 mircea_popescu: aha

15:18:27 mircea_popescu: that was originally one of the boring disney chicks neh ?

15:21:13 BingoBoingo: I think one of the disney dudes

15:21:31 BingoBoingo: But who can really tell

15:21:56 punkman: he's the bad guy in beauty and the beast

15:22:51 mircea_popescu: oh.

15:22:54 mircea_popescu: i tho0ught it was the blondie.

15:23:05 mircea_popescu: my great is hereby withdrawn.

15:23:32 mircea_popescu: what is the blondie anyway ? rapunzel ?

15:25:58 punkman: beauty is a brunette iirc

15:26:26 mircea_popescu: i thought that was snow white.

15:26:43 mircea_popescu: they got an eastern chick in salvari, a redhead which i dun recall what she was

15:26:45 mircea_popescu: and a blondie

15:27:15 BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/telrut.jpg << re: charlie sheen

15:27:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8SU5Q )

15:27:23 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ2dI_B_Ycg pogo defense system

15:27:25 assbot: 'Littlebits' 'Arduino' knife-wielding tentacle - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8SV9G )

15:31:23 BingoBoingo: And people though Mizzou was racis http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/white-student-union-challenges-black-lives-matter-at-university-of/article_52b015d1-23de-5912-8eeb-71e1436d00c8.html

15:31:24 assbot: 'White Student Union' challenges Black Lives Matter at University of Illinois : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1PR1Ygk )

15:32:02 BingoBoingo: "for white students of University of Illinois to be able to form a community and discuss our own issues as well as be able to organize against the terrorism we have been facing from Black Lives Matter activists on campus,"

15:32:44 BingoBoingo: "a safe place for White students,"

15:35:25 trinque: let the record state that the white students can piss their pants better, longer, wetter than the black students, lest anyone be confused.

15:35:56 *: mircea_popescu recalls what he said.

15:36:25 mircea_popescu: the us blacks are headed to the smoke stacks.

15:37:31 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Now'd probably be a safe time to move to Argentina

15:42:16 mircea_popescu: so BingoBoingo i can't locate a quote

15:42:25 BingoBoingo: Which quote?

15:42:36 mircea_popescu: some orc screamed at some prof something to the effect of "this is not about intellectual freedom, this is about making a home, do you get that"

15:42:48 mircea_popescu: in the recent missouri rebellion of the lazy and the stupid against work.

15:42:51 mircea_popescu: dja have it ?

15:43:17 BingoBoingo: Should be able to dig it up soon. The prof's name was "Click"

15:43:56 mircea_popescu: lol

15:43:57 mircea_popescu: ty

15:48:14 BingoBoingo: Allegedly the video, but its youtube so eh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlRAyulN4o

15:48:15 assbot: #ConcernedStudent1950 vs the media - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8VN6s )

15:49:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67339 @ 0.00051163 = 34.4527 BTC [-] {6}

15:49:38 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: https://web.archive.org/web/20151107010454/http://yaleherald.com/op-eds/hurt-at-home/

15:49:40 assbot: Hurt at home - The Yale Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1HC0MXq )

15:49:58 mircea_popescu: sveet.

15:50:14 pete_dushenski: "We are supposed to feel encouraged to go to our Master and Associate Master with our concerns and feel that our opinions will be respected and heard."

15:50:21 pete_dushenski: "But, in his ten weeks as a leader of the college, Master Christakis has not fostered this sense of community. He seems to lack the ability, quite frankly, to put aside his opinions long enough to listen to the very real hurt that the community feels. He doesn’t get it. And I don’t want to debate. I want to talk about my pain."

15:50:41 pete_dushenski: "They have failed to acknowledge the hurt and pain that such a large part of our community feel. They have again and again shown that they are committed to an ideal of free speech, not to the Silliman community."

15:50:43 pete_dushenski: etc.

15:51:34 mircea_popescu: im not giving jencey-nobody the time of day.

15:51:41 mircea_popescu: "This is not about creating an intellectual space! Do you get that ? It?s about creating a home here!"

15:51:44 mircea_popescu: is what it was.

15:51:51 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Yale can start mattering when it plays in an actual footbal conference instead of that bullshit poof Ivy League shit

15:52:49 pete_dushenski: why would softies want to bash heads with tried and true orcs again ?

15:52:56 pete_dushenski: to prove something ?

15:53:46 BingoBoingo: Of course

15:54:21 pete_dushenski: mkay prove what ? that brawn > brain ?

15:55:39 BingoBoingo: To prove that they really aren't scared of those "urban" kids who go to state schools

15:56:12 BingoBoingo: And to prove that their use of "summer" as a verb doesn't make them idiots

15:58:43 pete_dushenski: but yale kidz ARE scared, they ARE idiots. but even still, even if they weren't, why does the (slightly retarded) hawk have to prove anything to the fox ?

15:58:57 BingoBoingo: The truth of the matter is that the Yale kids wish they were cool enough to go to LSU or Alabama

15:59:28 pete_dushenski: why's that ? what's the attraction at lsu or 'bama ?

15:59:41 pete_dushenski: hotter tail ?

16:00:19 BingoBoingo: hotter tail, better parties, and less crushing pressure to be their own grandparents a few decades too early

16:01:19 pete_dushenski: o noes, the pressure to be an adult ! lol

16:01:25 BingoBoingo: Because why live in a residence hall called a "college" with a surgeon calling himself "master" when you can go to West Fucking Virginia and burn couches?

16:01:31 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Alf, the lathe dog. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/20/alf-the-lathe-dog/

16:01:41 BingoBoingo: ;;google west fucking virginia couch burning

16:01:42 gribble: "West Fuckin Virginia" T-Shirts - Deadspin: http://deadspin.com/5839812/west-virginia-athletics-requests-that-students-refrain-from-wearing-west-fuckin-virginia-t-shirts; Morgantown Banned Outdoor Couches To Stop West Virginia ...: http://thebiglead.com/2015/04/08/morgantown-banned-outdoor-couches-to-stop-west-virginia-students-lighting-them-on-fire/; [Post Game Thread] West (1 more message)

16:02:16 BingoBoingo: "West Virginia has become infamous for couch burning. The Morgantown City Council is attempting to put a stop to it. A new city ordinance will ban upholstered furniture from being kept outdoors. The city claims there have been more than 3,000 such fires in the last decade."

16:02:39 pete_dushenski: that's barely one couch fire a day. pff.

16:03:00 pete_dushenski: http://www.techinsider.io/ketchup-leather-is-the-ultimate-burger-sogginess-solution-2015-11

16:03:00 assbot: Ketchup Leather is the ultimate burger sogginess solution - Tech Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8XUY1 )

16:03:59 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You can't count every day though. Just the six fall days with home games.

16:05:18 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328122 << get well soon !

16:05:18 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 05:41:35; Naphex: mircea_popescu: i haven't disappeared anywhere.. got a bad case of pneumonia; Working on setting things back on track

16:05:22 BingoBoingo: comes out to 50 per home football game, excluding that ones that don't get caught

16:07:24 BingoBoingo: Colonist problems http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/11/scurvy_is_common_and_should_be_diagnosed_and_treated.html

16:07:24 assbot: Scurvy is common and should be diagnosed and treated. ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8YDIM )

16:07:38 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: and these couch fires make non-yale skools more attractive how again ?

16:07:59 phf: if i were to take an issuing certificate (say, google's GIAG2), convert it from der to pem, and then feed the pem to openssl s_client -CAfile, then assuming that whatever i'm connecting to has been issued by the ca, everything should just work?

16:08:24 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Because you aren't fucking lighting a couch on fire UNLESS you are partying hard

16:08:31 phf: pete_dushenski: you don't get it, it's real life, man, not those yale faggits

16:08:37 pete_dushenski: or because you get to hang out with a buncha other 20 yo who are also 12 yo boys who think fire is "neat" and "dangerous" ?

16:09:16 pete_dushenski: faggits secretly haet themselves. obv.

16:09:35 pete_dushenski: must be moar like party orcs. HOW NOT !!1

16:09:49 BingoBoingo: It's because the lower party members at Yale can and MUST envy the relative freedom of the proles

16:10:20 pete_dushenski: not so.

16:10:57 BingoBoingo: Necessary. Being beyond that resentment if for upper party members who pointedly do not go to Yale

16:11:03 pete_dushenski: being an idiot slave to what you perceive is a worthwhile master can perfectly compensate for the lack of freedom.

16:11:28 BingoBoingo: Who at Yale finds that compensation?

16:11:37 pete_dushenski: perception is reality

16:11:56 pete_dushenski: these 'lower party members' know not where else to look for 'social mobility'

16:12:32 pete_dushenski: even if 'social mobility' is just luck

16:12:40 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/01/american-social-mobility-is-really-just-luck-says-data/ << see thread

16:12:42 assbot: American “social mobility” is really just luck, says data. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNArGT )

16:12:49 BingoBoingo: Then why do so many want to leave their rat maze to "become writers" or "urban homestead"

16:13:41 BingoBoingo: The Yale strata of the USian population wants exactly the life of being poor, but without the continentcy of actually being poor

16:14:11 BingoBoingo: Because they already think themselves rich and not very good at it

16:14:12 pete_dushenski: why do so many want to leave their rat maze to "become writers" << because kool kids flirt with writers and lend them the air of importance they so desperately desire

16:14:22 pete_dushenski: better than moneys

16:15:24 pete_dushenski: yale strata are middle class, yes, imprisoned, yes, but look upwards and behave as they THINK they would if they were upper classmen

16:15:41 pete_dushenski: so, no swearing, as per http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/28/how-to-tell-if-youre-middle-class/

16:15:42 assbot: How to tell if you’re middle class. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSVdeH )

16:16:24 pete_dushenski: (who knew this was becoming my area of anthropological expertise)

16:16:41 pete_dushenski: s/anthropological/entomological

16:17:08 BingoBoingo: But they also look down with envy

16:17:37 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> hotter tail, better parties, and less crushing pressure to be their own grandparents a few decades too early << the latter. yes. they're regressed to mean and expected to outperform exceptional talent selected by exceptional luck.

16:17:41 mircea_popescu: glhf.

16:17:58 BingoBoingo: The look at Arizona State students and are totes jelly that they can't bikini spring break at the lake every weekend.

16:18:46 mircea_popescu: arizona state, only state.

16:18:56 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: perhaps, but still, never the twain shall meet. they're different sorts of kidz. yale kidz might want to party hard, but they'll do m/blow/raves, not couch burning and fist-fighting.

16:19:19 mircea_popescu: (ftr, me went to a highschool that had a spa across the road. summertime, the better tail was across teh street)

16:19:48 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328381 <-- because Oxford

16:19:48 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 16:01:25; BingoBoingo: Because why live in a residence hall called a "college" with a surgeon calling himself "master" when you can go to West Fucking Virginia and burn couches?

16:20:07 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But they will KNOW that they aren't partying very hard

16:20:26 pete_dushenski: lol such bullshit. you been to a proper rave ?

16:20:49 pete_dushenski: you'll be a zombie for DAYS after a good rave.

16:20:56 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, but neither have Yale kids. Only one letter away from rape, much triggers.

16:21:08 pete_dushenski: possibru, this.

16:21:42 mircea_popescu: rape at the rave ?

16:21:47 mircea_popescu: there's penis missing!

16:21:49 *: pete_dushenski has not seen yale campus with own eyes.

16:21:53 funkenstein_: BingoBoingo, exceptions to that verified

16:22:09 BingoBoingo: mebbe

16:23:07 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: very few rapes at raves. mucho amor para todos. easy lovin'.

16:23:15 mircea_popescu: aha

16:23:19 mircea_popescu: also can't really get it up.

16:23:48 pete_dushenski: with 'm' for sure

16:23:59 shinohai: pete_dushenski: ever seen that film Go ?

16:24:26 pete_dushenski: don't think 'ghb' (aka. date rape drug, but taken voluntarily!!!!) has same flaccidifying effect

16:24:41 pete_dushenski: shinohai: no ?

16:24:48 BingoBoingo: Isn't this what easy internet viagra is for?

16:25:47 shinohai: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139239/ <<< best rave depiction

16:25:49 assbot: Go (1999) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1S91iCg )

16:26:28 pete_dushenski: lol jay mohr's in it

16:27:39 shinohai: Very much worth a view if drug-induced boredom strikes you.

16:30:56 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Internoc24, or : the crisis, and its resolution - http://fraudsters.com/2015/internoc24-or-the-crisis-and-its-resolution/

16:31:14 mircea_popescu: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-m-parsons/message-to-my-freshman-st_b_7275016.html << i find the admixture of wishful thinking and budding classism actually quite endearing. like a 15yo's first sexual blush.

16:31:15 assbot: Message to My Freshman Students | Keith M. Parsons ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSXW7X )

16:31:56 mircea_popescu: check it out, next thing you know "hogwash" is going to turn into the sound of a cane, and "You, on the other hand, come to my classes fresh from a culture with different values, one that finds academic ways strange and hard to understand." is going to become "drop the stupid, this isn't the place for it".

16:32:17 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform betcha never thought 'lathe dog' would conjure up ~this~ image ;) http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/20/alf-the-lathe-dog/

16:32:18 assbot: Alf, the lathe dog. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSY47F )

16:32:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:33:15 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: adorable watching them grow up, isn't it !

16:33:20 mircea_popescu: aha.

16:33:44 mircea_popescu: especially the most endearing part of it all, their deeply imprinted conviction that they're special, different, experiencing the world privately and personally.

16:34:46 phf: that's just silly, wealthy people by definition have an easy access to a wider range of experiences. i'm sure there are pathological cases of "mother would be displeased", but in my experience downward mobile ivy have easy time integrating themselves into whatever cultures.

16:34:57 mircea_popescu: phf quote this definition for my benefit ?

16:36:38 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: btw i checked the golf course irrigation math and did some more data digging : 1.2 metres of 'rainfall' is simulated in the ~average~ southwest u.s. golf course. so 2.0 metres+ in, say, palm springs is well within reason.

16:36:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68200 @ 0.00051797 = 35.3256 BTC [+] {5}

16:37:17 mircea_popescu: myeah. i come from a place where irrigation is measured in added cm. crops requiring 20 or more are seen as uneconomical.

16:37:25 mircea_popescu: but hey, the world's bigger than transylvania

16:37:28 phf: it's poor turn of phrase, but in this case i meant that wealth lets you find solutions to logistical problems

16:37:53 mircea_popescu: you haven't just said "by definition" without actually having a definition in mind have you ? tsk tsk.

16:38:01 mircea_popescu: anyway : you can only solve problems you perceive as problems.

16:38:16 mircea_popescu: wealth insulates from the perception of problems, which is how you end up with the jewish princess.

16:38:20 mircea_popescu: she doesn't even know she's annyoing.

16:38:38 mircea_popescu: she wouldn't be, ironically, if anyone had told her off when she was 12 and it was easy to change

16:38:50 mircea_popescu: now she's 25 and it takes a shitload of beatings and tears to achieve the same effect.

16:38:57 mircea_popescu: i blame the parents, even as i beat their offspring.

16:39:51 pete_dushenski: and the jap's parents smile to themselves knowingly as a result

16:40:07 pete_dushenski: comforted by the knowledge that they COULDN'T HAVE DONE BETTER

16:40:39 pete_dushenski: seems reasonably adaptive, this strategy.

16:40:57 mircea_popescu: everything that doesn't put your own ass on the line is reasonably adaptive, sure.

16:41:22 pete_dushenski: thusly viewed, judaism makes sense !

16:45:16 phf: well, wealth eliminates problems, higher up the scale you go, less things are problems, with some maximums like the jewish princess, or other stereotypes like a completely out of teach rich person. my point is there is long tale of sufficiently wealthy people who can hang out with rednecks, and then hop on a plane to goa for a month

16:48:39 thestringpuller: <+BingoBoingo> thestringpuller: Now'd probably be a safe time to move to Argentina << I wanted to check out japan first where they adore the negros for some reason or another. Or at least from what I can gather from Kareem Abdul Jabars auto biographical works of living there on stints with Bruce Lee.

16:51:12 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 310 @ 0.00330629 = 1.0249 BTC [+]

16:57:54 mircea_popescu: mo money mo problems.

17:00:37 punkman: https://instagram.com/smokincigs23/

17:00:39 assbot: @smokincigs23 • Instagram photos and videos ... ( http://bit.ly/1T48G2F )

17:04:36 thestringpuller: <+mircea_popescu> mo money mo problems. << didn't take mp for a biggie fan

17:04:45 mircea_popescu: i mostly smoke 2nd hand.

17:09:30 phf: only so many bugatti rims one can buy

17:10:39 phf: i'm going to stick to my cultural heritage, gold chains, rolex and adidas

17:11:56 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:12:10 ascii_field: meanwhile in the land of ze phree,

17:12:11 ascii_field: http://www.wired.com/2015/11/carnegie-mellon-denies-fbi-paid-for-tor-breaking-research

17:12:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T4aIzF )

17:12:47 ascii_field: 'In a terse statement Wednesday, Carnegie Mellon wrote that its Software Engineering Institute hadn’t received any direct payment for its Tor research from the FBI or any other government funder. But it instead implied that the research may have been accessed by law enforcement through the use of a subpoena. “In the course of its work, the university from time to time is served with subpoenas requesting informat

17:12:47 ascii_field: ion about research it has performed,” the statement reads. “The university abides by the rule of law, complies with lawfully issued subpoenas and receives no funding for its compliance.”'

17:14:20 trinque: phf │ i'm going to stick to my cultural heritage, gold chains, rolex and adidas << I hereby invoke "pix or didn't happen"

17:16:00 trinque: it'll be some kind of ru thug quinceanera

17:18:39 jurov: phf forgot gold teeth

17:18:54 ascii_field: and '600'

17:23:27 phf: ствол is the most important part of course

17:23:33 ascii_field: aha!

17:24:25 *: ascii_field always found this interesting, how you shoot from a 'barrel' in engl, but from ствол -- 'trunk' (as in tree) in ru

17:24:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12320 @ 0.0005221 = 6.4323 BTC [+] {2}

17:26:24 jurov: "hlaveň" - "head part" in slovak

17:33:45 gabrielradio: !rate kakobrekla 3 everything went smooth on bit4x

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17:34:10 gabrielradio: !v assbot:gabrielradio.rate.kakobrekla.3:9cb290b4b86d3647acc683659f6c19e0f822ef2b68b377e36295b5aa9fbda4a6

17:34:10 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 3 for kakobrekla with note: everything went smooth on bit4x

17:34:43 gabrielradio: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://dpaste.com/1H2Q7YJ#wrap

17:34:44 assbot: dpaste: 1H2Q7YJ: El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha and mister Andrei Pippidi, by gabrielradio ... ( http://bit.ly/1OVQ6Ls )

17:34:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:38:23 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328457 << nifty

17:38:23 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 16:32:17; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform betcha never thought 'lathe dog' would conjure up ~this~ image ;) http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/20/alf-the-lathe-dog/

17:44:56 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:45:31 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu '20GB with 2x 1000 GB non-SATA HDD' << ??? >> didja mean it? really, PATA ? or meant to say 'ssd' ?

17:45:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:51:43 *: punkman actually had a cocker-spaniel named alfie

17:52:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56100 @ 0.00051477 = 28.8786 BTC [-] {4}

17:54:10 punkman: http://i.imgur.com/2hDScab.jpg

17:54:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OVUslD )

17:57:19 BingoBoingo: From the mines: "There's actually only a finite amount of olive oil in the world. All the natural stuff was used up by the late 1700's. The stuff you're eating now has actually been recycled from obese Greek fishermen. There island of Naxos holds a festival every year wherein fishermen with a BMI over 40 are rolled into huge presses called 'Obesitinia' and then slowly crushed, releasing their fragrant oils. "

17:58:27 punkman: wut

18:02:15 mircea_popescu: ascii_field meant to say ssd. he wtfs me on it later on.

18:04:12 BingoBoingo: punkman: Isn't that how it works?

18:19:08 punkman: BingoBoingo: plausible, if you are familiar with the fragrance of the olive oil mill

18:19:34 mircea_popescu: stol, in romanian, is a flock (like of birds)

18:21:45 mircea_popescu: lol good oil.

18:21:48 thestringpuller: wow reading the footnotes on the new fraudsters took me straight into idiocracy

18:22:19 thestringpuller: it's an epidemic with no cure.

18:22:27 mircea_popescu: in other news : no fisherman ever, in the lengthy history of htat trade, was obese.

18:22:39 punkman: eh

18:22:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00051333 = 7.4946 BTC [-] {4}

18:22:56 mircea_popescu: that was the objection to spencery tracy in old man and the sea : too plump

18:24:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.0005221 = 25.3741 BTC [+] {3}

18:25:52 trinque: thestringpuller: reminded me of the rabbi and the ewe too; that was a good footnote.

18:25:54 BingoBoingo: But, But... Underrepresented! Muh Feels!

18:28:13 phf: i like to do overnight trips with local fishermen at whatever exotic locations i go to, and i can say that most of the time you burn calories by simply sitting in the cold (not to mention stabilization, or actual work)

18:29:32 mircea_popescu: or heavy protein intake, or poverty.

18:30:39 thestringpuller: ;;google black people can't be racist

18:30:40 gribble: "black people cannot be racist": the difference between prejudice ...: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/1/760770/-; MTV Says Black People Can't Be Racist - YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE0YmFqedhY; Black People Can't Be Racist - YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRKux2mgv_4

18:31:27 deedbot-: [Qntra] Venture Capital Fuels Stupidity In Bitcoin Not Innovation - http://qntra.net/2015/11/venture-capital-fuels-stupidity-in-bitcoin-not-innovation/

18:57:19 jurov: http://www.neuroscientistnews.com/clinical-updates/one-very-brainy-bird unrelated,but maybe... what about startup to use pigeons as bitcoin traders?

18:57:20 assbot: One very brainy bird | Neuroscientist News ... ( http://bit.ly/1kLogVK )

18:57:49 punkman: isn't that what buttfinex does

18:57:58 jurov: darn

18:58:49 jurov: "Even distant relatives—like people and pigeons—are adept at perceiving and categorizing the complex visual patterns that are presented in pathology and radiology images,

18:58:54 jurov: (wait for this)

18:58:56 jurov: surely a task for which nature has not specifically prepared us."

19:00:51 jurov: no complex visual pattern recognition for ya!!!1

19:02:58 mircea_popescu: lmao

19:03:03 mircea_popescu: !s fractal

19:03:04 assbot: 1526 results for 'fractal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fractal

19:03:13 jurov: medicine already prepping for the day most of the population will be diabetes-blind

19:05:44 mircea_popescu: other things "surely nature has not specifically prepared us" for : movement detection, gradient orientation and other bacteria-level tech.

19:06:16 mircea_popescu: it's just accidentally a feature of life ever singe octopi came about a bazillion years ago, with their barely functional eye.

19:06:29 mircea_popescu: otherwise, obama invented perceiving and categorizing complex visual patterns

19:19:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16970 @ 0.00051859 = 8.8005 BTC [-] {2}

19:22:59 gabrielradio: http://committingsociology.com/2015/11/18/colorblindness-and-cynicism/

19:23:01 assbot: Colorblindness and Cynicism | Committing Sociology ... ( http://bit.ly/1kLseOa )

19:23:27 gabrielradio: 'the colorblind can see through many kinds of camouflage. Because they?re not distracted by colors, they can often see the contours of a thing?it?s outline?with unusual clarity. Even so, despite this upside, being colorblind is, on balance, a net handicap to the colorblind individual. They?re missing out on a great deal.'

19:23:49 gabrielradio: 'Cynics (...) who are especially good at seeing through bullshit pay dearly for their gift. I suspect that being able to see past nuance comes at a cost. The ability to rapidly reduce complicated moral questions into simple either/or propositions is probably a function of an absence. To wit: the moral clarity of most cynics is probably a function of some sort of emotional colorblindness.'

19:25:27 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Fellow zoologists! - http://fraudsters.com/2015/fellow-zoologists/

19:28:15 mircea_popescu: what is this, feelscience ?

19:29:46 thestringpuller: what is with this war on cash?

19:30:28 thestringpuller: buddy just called me up and said police confiscated 500 bucks cash he was holding to spend during the weekend since he doesn't like using debit cards.

19:30:43 thestringpuller: "this is going to be used for a crime we need to take this"

19:31:05 trinque: lol it's not a war on cash; he got robbed!

19:31:07 trinque: they love cash

19:31:33 thestringpuller: i mean it's his fault for keeping it in the open so cop was like "what's with that roll of 20's there"

19:32:31 mircea_popescu: yeah, it's his fault for having money. seems legit.

19:33:37 thestringpuller: i kno right. and if he goes to court to try and get the money back they'll be like "nope."

19:33:46 thestringpuller: damn shame.

19:34:05 mircea_popescu: next time, bust a cap in cop's ass before gets chance to open mouth.

19:36:44 thestringpuller: http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/TheVirginiaTechShooter/gifs/ani_wayne-brady-cop-killer.gif << I suppose I should since Wayne Brady is more gangster than I could ever be.

19:37:22 thestringpuller: When I get pulled over tends to go like, "You were speeding." "Sure" "Okay here's ticket. Uh you have dreads are you high." "Uh no." "Okay have fun be safe."

19:37:37 thestringpuller: Suburbia has it's perks.

19:38:29 deedbot-: [Qntra] Every Tesla Model S Recalled Over Safety Equipment Failure - http://qntra.net/2015/11/every-tesla-model-s-recalled-over-safety-equipment-failure/

19:39:22 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: documentd >> documented

19:39:46 BingoBoingo: fxd

19:40:38 punkman: "In early November, a customer sitting in the front passenger seat turned to speak with occupants in the rear and the seat belt became disconnected"

19:40:44 punkman: ffs

19:41:06 thestringpuller: so what a billion dollars of cars is being recalled?

19:41:17 punkman: "but we estimate the cost is not material and shows Tesla’s heightened focus on safety,” said Ben Kallo"

19:41:30 punkman: yes you recall all your cars, but cost not material

19:49:38 jurov: i guess they can drive themselves to service

19:50:46 BingoBoingo: Sure just put the destination in the autopilot, set a brick on the prissy pedal and wait for it to come home.

19:50:56 jurov: lol actually that's the future. cars will come barely working with obligation to leave them every other night go for "bugfixes"

19:51:18 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/nKSjTGa.png << Mayospiration

19:51:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kLwHQJ )

19:59:31 *: ben_vulpes imagines what it must be like to go from software to safety-critical hardware

20:02:12 BingoBoingo: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/cats-cucumbers-scared-video-1.3327174

20:02:13 assbot: Spooking cats with cucumbers could cause 'psychological problems,' says Calgary vet technician - Calgary - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1SMVyyd )

20:02:31 BingoBoingo: ""What I actually worry about is long-term psychological problems. Some cats are quite delicate," said Lara Chan with the Calgary Cat Clinic."

20:03:18 BingoBoingo: "If you've already played this prank on your cat, Chan said, you may have inadvertently made them afraid of cucumbers ? forever."

20:03:41 BingoBoingo: "If your cat has a high exposure rate to cucumbers, it's probably not going to turn around and think it was anything other than a cucumber. We worry about the ones that have never, ever seen a cucumber before."

20:04:05 BingoBoingo: Apparently nao cats need "safe spaces"

20:05:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00051059 = 21.8788 BTC [-] {3}

20:08:36 *: BingoBoingo unsure if cat safe space need is worth a qntra. Maybe some wordsmith can give it an adequate take

20:09:20 mircea_popescu: <jurov> lol actually that's the future. cars will come barely working with obligation to leave them every other night go for "bugfixes" <<< good god he's right.

20:11:15 ben_vulpes: it's not scavenger culture, it's webdev culture.

20:11:30 ben_vulpes: "ah, we'll fix it tomorrow."

20:12:03 mircea_popescu: ;;google have you confused your cat today

20:12:03 gribble: Confuse-A-Cat ~ Monty Python's Flying Circus - YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzi3k7K0lFA; Monty Python - Confuse-A-Cat - YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Je1CEPkUM; Monty Python: Confuse-a-Cat: http://www.montypython.net/scripts/confuse.php

20:12:28 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/J0aNCtN.jpg << best pic ever.

20:12:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kLA6ir )

20:12:44 mircea_popescu: kinda reminds me of academia catavencu, this 1990s romanian rendition of le canard enchanee

20:12:49 mircea_popescu: well, back when that was funny, anyway.

20:13:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16660 @ 0.0005159 = 8.5949 BTC [+] {2}

20:44:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00052211 = 7.4923 BTC [+]

20:48:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.00052281 = 28.4147 BTC [+] {5}

20:54:31 mircea_popescu: ;;google leblouh

20:54:32 gribble: Leblouh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leblouh; Leblouh - Force-Feeding Young Girls in the Name of Beauty | Oddity ...: http://www.odditycentral.com/news/the-fattening-farms-of-mauritania-force-feeding-young-girls-in-the-name-of-beauty.html; Women fight Mauritania's fattening tradition - CNN.com: (1 more message)

20:54:34 mircea_popescu: there you go BingoBoingo

21:00:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00052438 = 9.6486 BTC [+] {2}

21:13:25 BingoBoingo: with fire, kill it

21:18:36 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-interim-police-chief-resigning-early/article_8e3e7850-0d79-5c34-8fed-c125b04251ec.html

21:18:38 assbot: Ferguson interim police chief resigning early : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1XfbKJF )

21:19:41 mircea_popescu: btw, i humbly submit for your consideration that for the future qntra does s/Obama/President <a href=qntra.net/president-bahamas.jpg>Bahamas</a>/

21:21:11 BingoBoingo: I'll see what I can do

21:23:52 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:24:18 adlai: president gbanga

21:24:23 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328614 << somebody tell the american chix, turns out there's this secret valhalla for them

21:24:23 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 20:54:32; gribble: Leblouh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leblouh; Leblouh - Force-Feeding Young Girls in the Name of Beauty | Oddity ...: http://www.odditycentral.com/news/the-fattening-farms-of-mauritania-force-feeding-young-girls-in-the-name-of-beauty.html; Women fight Mauritania's fattening tradition - CNN.com: (1 more message)

21:24:57 mircea_popescu: ascii_field was having a private lulz earlier at the "strong condemnation" of the aziz fellow in mauretania.

21:25:12 mircea_popescu: he's been strongly condemned since about the time saddam had wmds.

21:26:13 mircea_popescu: in other news : what you do in your house has no correlation with the police knocking on your door. the only criterion is, whether they want to move in or not, is all.

21:26:26 mircea_popescu: if they do want to move in, you sure as fuck musta have been doing something.

21:26:31 ascii_field: naturally

21:26:36 ascii_field: coke in the toilet tank (tm)

21:27:46 mircea_popescu: i sitll have nfi why all these dubious regimes don't go on a shoot first policy.

21:27:56 mircea_popescu: i can see why individual cowards don't shoot cop first, ask questions after.

21:28:09 mircea_popescu: but states ? the only fucking reason the concept even exists is that it should be fearless.

21:28:38 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the concept mostly went away in 1865

21:28:52 mircea_popescu: what exactly is keeping everyone from goiing somalia ?

21:29:01 mircea_popescu: kidnap the fucking uss cole crew, sell them back for a suv a head.

21:29:11 mircea_popescu: what, they're going to defend themselves ?

21:29:15 ascii_field: which 'everyone'

21:29:47 mircea_popescu: senegal. egypt. chile. laos.

21:29:53 mircea_popescu: what the fuck, the 150.

21:30:30 ascii_field: iirc it's standard british method - the chieftains have childrenz at princeton who could 'have problems'

21:30:35 mircea_popescu: the country formerly known as the country to be in the future known as myanmar has been in exactly the same situation of mauretania / ukraine / iraq / what have you for what, 20 years now ?

21:30:50 mircea_popescu: why aren't they out there shooting bazookas at us shipping from fishing boatds.

21:31:27 mircea_popescu: what problemz are htey going to have ?

21:31:29 ascii_field: the bazooka suppliers have childrenz at princeton?

21:31:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6411 @ 0.00052438 = 3.3618 BTC [+] {2}

21:33:49 mircea_popescu: and ?

21:34:05 ascii_field: i just now grokked this - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328641 - mircea_popescu actually thinks that the ~150 unaligned toy countries are sovereign ??

21:34:05 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 21:29:53; mircea_popescu: what the fuck, the 150.

21:34:15 ascii_field: where 100 usd buys a cop

21:34:19 ascii_field: and 1000 - mayor

21:34:25 mircea_popescu: so ?

21:34:26 ascii_field: 10,000 - a general ?

21:34:38 mircea_popescu: make better money kidnapping us "troops" for ransom

21:34:44 mircea_popescu: than whatever he gets currently.

21:35:05 mircea_popescu: and no, there would be NO reprecussions. those have been out on order for 30 years now.

21:35:29 ascii_field: i'm sold. but you gotta convince... them.

21:35:35 mircea_popescu: i was jus' wondering.

21:35:44 mircea_popescu: wtf must be going through their head.

21:35:59 ascii_field: i suspect that the standard alpha orc still wants to 'make it in the west in the end' (tm)

21:36:03 ascii_field: swiss chalet, or wtf.

21:36:09 mircea_popescu: but such doth not exist.

21:36:25 mircea_popescu: he's more in a swiss chalet in orclandia than anyone, including Pres. Bahamas, ever has or could have.

21:36:32 ascii_field: y'know, the classical 'london exit' of a ru oligarch

21:36:40 mircea_popescu: except ... it didn't work.

21:36:42 mircea_popescu: they know it didn't work.

21:36:53 adlai: berezovsky seems happy enough

21:37:03 mircea_popescu: pig squealing last words of berlusconi were "fuck this stupid shit, i wish i was younger so i could just go kidnap nato troops at sea"

21:37:04 mircea_popescu: so ?

21:37:06 ascii_field: ditto abramovich

21:37:13 mircea_popescu: you're kidding me right ?

21:37:57 ascii_field: it's a religion, the worship-the-west thing, and doesn't die easily

21:38:17 mircea_popescu: i guess.

21:48:16 jurov: mircea_popescu has ever shot any officer himself?

21:49:22 BingoBoingo: He has that story about taking that police lady's gun.

21:51:48 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell gabrielradio fantastique ! i'll take a look over the weekend and whip it up into a piece for contravex.

21:51:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:53:00 mircea_popescu: ask me that once i run a military coup in fucking mauretania

21:53:04 mircea_popescu: or three, as the case may be.

21:53:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14058 @ 0.00052156 = 7.3321 BTC [-] {2}

21:54:18 mircea_popescu: but anyway, maybe the answer actually has little to do with a "west worship" thing, and simply is that the sort of people who have goals and set about to pursue them simply no longer exists. for all i know the problem of mauretania is exactly the problem of missouri : everyone in sight principally desires to sit down in front a tv.

21:54:43 mircea_popescu: for all we know a & b are ACTUALLY happy doing nothing worth the mention in their london cell.

22:06:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00052156 = 12.6218 BTC [-]

22:06:38 ben_vulpes: http://community.babycenter.com/post/a29415695/because_asians_are_already_yellow

22:06:41 assbot: "because asians are already yellow" - BabyCenter ... ( http://bit.ly/1X3rNzr )

22:06:41 ben_vulpes: > jondus

22:06:55 ben_vulpes: the internet is for moms

22:06:58 ben_vulpes: the internet is for moms

22:07:03 ben_vulpes: moms moms moms

22:07:06 ben_vulpes: the internet is for moms

22:07:33 pete_dushenski: "jondus" is basically the cajun spelling

22:08:23 adlai: uh, 'b' is no longer caged in any cell... he at least seems to have made the best of the west

22:08:40 deedbot-: [Qntra] Obama at ASEAN: Money Overwhelms Ideas - http://qntra.net/2015/11/obama-at-asean-money-overwhelms-ideas/

22:08:57 adlai: http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2013/03/24/did-boris-berezovsky-kill-himself-more-compelling-did-he-kill-forbes-editor-paul-klebnikov/print/

22:08:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1X3rXHe )

22:10:14 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes web != internet.

22:10:30 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328694 << since mircea_popescu asked

22:10:30 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 22:08:40; deedbot-: [Qntra] Obama at ASEAN: Money Overwhelms Ideas - http://qntra.net/2015/11/obama-at-asean-money-overwhelms-ideas/

22:10:36 *: mircea_popescu clings to this last hope.

22:10:56 BingoBoingo: has picture and everything

22:11:05 mircea_popescu: um... why is president bahamas refered to as "obama" ?

22:11:19 BingoBoingo: For the search engines.

22:11:28 mircea_popescu: ...

22:11:43 *: pete_dushenski chuckled at 'bahamas'

22:11:46 mircea_popescu: this is backwards!

22:11:48 BingoBoingo: And I haven't figured out a way to make it flash between the two

22:12:01 mircea_popescu: who cares about one !

22:12:27 BingoBoingo: At least I included the Hussein so everyone knows he birthed ISIS

22:13:46 BingoBoingo: I guess I should figure out a way to help the imageblind get the joke

22:14:56 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: necessary for scansion

22:15:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo good jokes are not widely gotten

22:15:27 BingoBoingo: Image nao captioned

22:20:24 *: BingoBoingo goes to study assigned reading for a bit

22:21:22 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:22:01 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328682 << possibly subtler, in that yes, they might have plans, but none of them include shitting in holes in the ground and catching frags

22:22:01 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 21:54:18; mircea_popescu: but anyway, maybe the answer actually has little to do with a "west worship" thing, and simply is that the sort of people who have goals and set about to pursue them simply no longer exists. for all i know the problem of mauretania is exactly the problem of missouri : everyone in sight principally desires to sit down in front a tv.

22:22:21 ascii_field: if you wanna equate this to 'watch tv' - whatever.

22:22:35 mircea_popescu: they're all haxxors ?

22:22:42 mircea_popescu: with their rot-13 korans ?

22:22:46 BingoBoingo: Do the holes in the ground have tv's

22:22:48 mircea_popescu: looky here, france did happen.

22:23:23 ascii_field: but there's a reason why it was kalash in paris, and not nuke at davos.

22:24:14 BingoBoingo: red mercury?

22:24:35 ascii_field: the reason is that the world of goatfuckistan has precious little to offer the kind of people who could arrange for the latter

22:24:47 ascii_field: whatever happened to dr khan anyway

22:24:57 mircea_popescu: nuke at davos ?

22:25:02 mircea_popescu: what is that going to do ?

22:25:09 mircea_popescu: seriously, nobody cares about some old farts.

22:25:20 mircea_popescu: did they not kidnap and ransom that inept us soldier, what's his name ?

22:25:22 ascii_field: fine $davos

22:25:27 mircea_popescu: mno.

22:25:29 ascii_field: wherever lizard eggs are hatched

22:25:35 mircea_popescu: mno.

22:25:48 mircea_popescu: nobody cares about this supposed "center" bs.

22:25:58 mircea_popescu: just shoot the cops / kidnap the "soldiers" and sell them back.

22:26:06 mircea_popescu: this is how the arabs imploded "the west" last time.

22:26:19 ascii_field: under saladin ?

22:26:21 ascii_field: aha

22:26:30 pete_dushenski: palestinians still use this strategy against israel

22:27:25 pete_dushenski: in other news, i'm quite enjoying this atm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtLoaMfinbU

22:27:26 assbot: Piotr Tchaikovsky: The Nutcracker - Ballet in two acts (HD 1080p) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1X3tQnb )

22:29:38 ascii_field: forget nuke, even

22:29:46 ascii_field: but something as elementary as pgp.

22:30:02 ascii_field: y'know, the sorta thing you need to not be entirely transparent to usg microscope at all times...

22:30:48 ascii_field: in re: paris, i see it as an own goal

22:30:52 ascii_field: quite like bush's '9-11'

22:31:18 mircea_popescu: what, and the chick was just a bystander ?

22:31:33 ascii_field: which chick

22:31:49 adlai: fwiw, idf policy post-shalit is that, if you're witnessing the kidnapping as it happens, you shoot to kill nappers and/or nappee alike

22:32:13 ascii_field: adlai: this is the only sane response

22:32:16 ascii_field: otherwise 'meat shield'

22:32:33 adlai: but this policy has yet to prove itself anything beyond rote words repeated from sergeant to recruit

22:33:28 BingoBoingo: ;;google Supernova Refsdal

22:33:29 gribble: SN Refsdal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_Refsdal; Sjur Refsdal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjur_Refsdal; Supernova Refsdal and Galaxy Cluster MACS J1149.6 ... - HubbleSite: http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2015/08/image/a/

22:33:30 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328733 << Aggartha, if we could only find it!

22:33:30 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 22:25:29; ascii_field: wherever lizard eggs are hatched

22:34:25 mircea_popescu: sane response or no, the us is not capable.

22:34:35 mircea_popescu: but anyway, random chick that got insulted cause they asked her where's her bf

22:35:22 mircea_popescu: from the actual data i've seen, about a third of us "forces" are not actually psychologically capable of using their weapons.

22:35:36 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iirc this was circa-1940s

22:35:48 ascii_field: and was down to a few % by vietnam

22:36:01 ascii_field: incapable, rather

22:36:21 ascii_field: ~90%+ wouldn't pull the trigger in ww2, a few % in vietnam

22:36:27 mircea_popescu: add to that the endless piles of wags, whornalists, "agents" and other useless bs, you have better chances to get shot by shooting yourself.

22:36:54 ascii_field: i hear plenty of u.s. folk have problems with aim when shooting self, for some reason

22:37:05 ascii_field: it always intrigued me

22:37:25 ascii_field: is it because they were trying 'ironically' ?

22:37:58 mircea_popescu: go obese, try again ?

22:38:09 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> is it because they were trying 'ironically' ? << likely

22:38:21 mircea_popescu: (really, the reason is the reptile brain also has a say)

22:39:30 ascii_field: possibly the only uniquely usian aspect of this is the eagerness of the medics to stitch'em back up (as described in mircea_popescu's suicide how-to)

22:40:53 mircea_popescu: us docs love trauma

22:40:57 BingoBoingo: ^

22:41:00 mircea_popescu: it's the only field of medicine they are good at.

22:41:09 ascii_field: they also love chronics

22:41:13 ascii_field: regardless of what kind

22:41:42 BingoBoingo: Most US docs not very fond of the Beetus and fold mold

22:41:51 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: but the sponsor - is

22:42:06 ascii_field: just like in last night's thread where mircea_popescu explains how nobody asks the motherfucking programmers anything

22:42:08 ascii_field: ditto doctor

22:42:20 ascii_field: the money - decides.

22:42:29 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Just over half the sponsors. Other nearly half is disappoint because they tend to dislike the medicaid rates

22:45:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65900 @ 0.00051055 = 33.6452 BTC [-] {7}

22:48:22 BingoBoingo: related http://epmonthly.com/article/psych-units-in-the-ed-trend-solution-or-neither/

22:48:24 assbot: Psych Units in the ED: Trend, Solution, or Neither? - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1la7VJG )

22:48:47 pete_dushenski: "Arguably the least appreciated resource for Islamic State is its fertile farms. Before even starting the engine of a single tractor, the group is believed to have grabbed as much as $200 million in wheat from Iraqi silos alone."

22:49:02 pete_dushenski: "ts fields could yield $200 million per year if those crops are sold, even at the cut rates paid on black markets. And how do you conduct airstrikes on farm fields?"

22:49:07 pete_dushenski: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-19/why-u-s-efforts-to-cut-off-islamic-state-s-funds-have-failed

22:49:07 assbot: Why U.S. Efforts to Cut Off Islamic State’s Funds Have Failed - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1la7YFs )

22:49:45 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> "ts fields could yield $200 million per year if those crops are sold, even at the cut rates paid on black markets. And how do you conduct airstrikes on farm fields?" << easily, call monsanto

22:49:55 ascii_field: ^

22:50:04 ascii_field: 'agent orange' et al

22:50:22 pete_dushenski: easily how ?

22:50:57 adlai: chemtrails!

22:51:01 BingoBoingo: Imazapyr, glyphosate

22:51:02 pete_dushenski: 'agent orange' is off the shelf and u.s. has planes ready and waiting for this ?

22:51:13 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: ask colombia

22:51:21 BingoBoingo: Imazapyr is sold in any casual gardening store.

22:51:48 pete_dushenski: colombians have less anti-aircraft tech perhaps ?

22:52:17 BingoBoingo: "Ground Clear" concentrate contains only 0.08% Imazapyr 5.0% Glyphosate as the concentrate. Works for most of a year after application.

22:52:22 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:53:30 BingoBoingo: Frankly there are far more effective herbicides now than there were in the agent orange days

22:55:52 trinque: this notion they have that ISIS is something to be surgically removed from otherwise neutral "occupied" people, it's cute.

22:56:23 trinque: that's of course why they will never go after the food production.

22:57:30 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-11-2015#1323266

22:57:30 assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 00:37:36; mats: nobody has the stomach to detonate a nuke over al-raqqah

22:59:04 mircea_popescu: incidentally, i must say, as someone whose education such as it was happened on old style, film x rays

22:59:07 BingoBoingo: And no amount of Monsanto has yet produced glyphosate resistant wheat to my knowledge

22:59:08 mircea_popescu: HOLY SHIT has this field improved.

23:00:19 pete_dushenski: also, iraq seems to have something like 3.75 mn hectares (9.27 mn acres) of agricultural land for wheat production

23:00:29 BingoBoingo: Also picloram and "Agent White" are still commercially available

23:00:39 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's all idle masturbation. the usg can do about as much there as it can do against martians.

23:01:07 pete_dushenski: apparently mircea_popescu hasn't seen 'mars attacks' where eiffel tower is lasered in half

23:01:14 mircea_popescu: oh ok.

23:01:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00051262 = 15.5324 BTC [+] {2}

23:01:28 BingoBoingo: Inducing famine is about all USia can seriously try and even then ISIS is prolly sitting on a decent stockpile of US MREs

23:01:46 mircea_popescu: they'll just move.

23:01:56 BingoBoingo: To Paris, rinse, repeat

23:01:59 mircea_popescu: this is about as bright as "here's an oil fire in my kitchen, i know, splash water!"

23:02:18 BingoBoingo: Still safer than doing the same with a magnesium fire

23:02:22 pete_dushenski: "throw toaster at fire!"

23:02:38 pete_dushenski: "hot things attract and cancel each other out!"

23:03:02 pete_dushenski: (like garlic repels red mercury. aha.)

23:04:26 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: speaking of idle masturbation, i tried sifting my way through a few of 'pseudoerasmus' ' other blogs posts and pretty much choked to death on that inanity and pointlessness

23:04:49 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325797 << this blogger

23:04:49 assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 13:45:44; punkman: http://pseudoerasmus.com/2014/10/24/szabo-china/

23:05:17 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> also, iraq seems to have something like 3.75 mn hectares (9.27 mn acres) of agricultural land for wheat production << Nothing compared to the soy fields USia already sprays with glyphosate.

23:06:04 pete_dushenski: the main thing running through my head while TRYING to read about ancient greek economics, what that point mircea_popescu made in a footnote recently about 'economists need businessmen but not vice versa'

23:06:40 mircea_popescu: i've not got around to reading anything else of the guy's.

23:06:40 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: well, domestic is domestic. no implementation constraints with captive audience.

23:07:02 pete_dushenski: it's mostly not worth it

23:07:02 BingoBoingo: Still the glyphosate in sufficient quantity exists

23:07:22 BingoBoingo: US will prolly do an Assad and drop barrel bombs of it

23:08:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12047 @ 0.00051262 = 6.1755 BTC [+] {2}

23:08:51 mircea_popescu: of course, chemical warfare is still forbidden as per teh various conventions

23:09:01 mircea_popescu: you know, the stuff the us has been pushing as replacement for local governments.

23:09:28 pete_dushenski: pseudoerasmus reminds me a bit of vlaclav smil with a bit more focus on history and (obviously, given format) a bit less thoroughness

23:09:37 pete_dushenski: vaclav*

23:10:13 pete_dushenski: bit less of a pessimist than smil too

23:17:11 ben_vulpes: re: "ed", a nurse was over last night, lamenting the shift from "emergency room, you know, a big room with sheets, "emergency department" with individually nicely fitted out, warm rooms with room service that someone other than $invalid is paying for"

23:17:35 ben_vulpes: "to improve the quality of care!" mno. to increase the cost of care.

23:26:50 pete_dushenski: "They may have a reputation for being bird-brained, but pigeons have found to be as adept as humans when it comes to spotting cancerous tissue in mammograms."

23:27:04 pete_dushenski: "Experts trained a group of the birds to tell the difference between benign and malignant human breast tissue using food reinforcement techniques."

23:27:18 pete_dushenski: "Over the course of two weeks, the birds' accuracy at studying the slides improved from 50 per cent up to 85 per cent - and in one instance this rose as high as 90 per cent."

23:27:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.000515 = 22.9433 BTC [+] {3}

23:28:24 pete_dushenski: top kek. 'radiologist' goes to 'skool' for 10 years+ of post-secondary, spends $bezzle in tuition, and is still no better than a garbage-eating pigeon

23:28:53 jurov: surely, nature had not imbued him

23:29:00 ben_vulpes: no better than random selection, really.

23:29:35 ben_vulpes: which should be entirely unsurprising, as most doctors i've met can't do odds for poker in their heads much less the odds for human ailments.

23:30:13 jurov: um...can be pigeons learned poker?

23:30:41 ben_vulpes: no, but random selection.

23:30:53 ben_vulpes: the question to ask is "can oncologists beat a coin toss?"

23:34:55 adlai: how about "all neural networks can be trained by the sufficiently smart dataset, not only ANNs"

23:40:16 pete_dushenski: "The [British] Air Force has been forced to write off a brand new $115million gunship after a pilot accidentally flew it upside down, according to a report. The AC-130J Ghostrider gunship was taking part in a training mission over the Gulf of Mexico in April this year having taken off from Elgin Air Force Base, officials said. The pilot, from 413th Flight Test Squadron, was taking part in a 'sideslip' maneuver when h

23:40:16 pete_dushenski: st control of the 132ft-wide aircraft before it turned upside down."

23:41:11 pete_dushenski: apparently flying upside-down "exceeded manufacturer's stress limits"

23:41:33 pete_dushenski: despite there being no accident or injury or malfunction

23:41:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00051539 = 5.257 BTC [+]

23:42:22 pete_dushenski: imagine head of isis decommissioned ak47 because it was shot upside-down when fighter aped american gangster from u.s. movies

23:42:42 ben_vulpes: this is actually a thing with planes, pete_dushenski.

23:42:53 ben_vulpes: exceeding the envelope is bad.

23:43:02 ben_vulpes: now if the envelope is retardedly small, that's a different problem.

23:43:49 ben_vulpes: exceeding stress limits is akin to holding the tach in the red for an extended period of time.

23:44:04 ben_vulpes: yes, you can do it, and yes the car will survive. how many hours did you take off of its life, however?

23:44:16 pete_dushenski: why not find out !

23:44:24 *: ben_vulpes blinks

23:44:31 pete_dushenski: worst case : lose a few pilots/crew

23:44:48 pete_dushenski: cheaper than $115 mn place

23:44:50 pete_dushenski: plane*

23:45:04 pete_dushenski: useful info to be gleaned as well

23:45:17 ben_vulpes: how are you going to lose the crew and not the plane, praytell

23:45:37 ben_vulpes: given that the ejector seats are to save the staff at the expense of hardware.

23:46:50 pete_dushenski: for the sake of argument, let's say that the plane will depreciate sufficiently to accommodate for loss of life. so $115 mn lost, but info gained. or $115 lost and no info gained.

23:46:57 adlai: "write off" doesn't mean the plane gets scrapped and resold as coke cans

23:47:39 jurov: there are testing pilots for ...er... testing that know better how to do these experiments

23:48:55 ben_vulpes: "will depreciate...to accomodate for loss of life", sorry, not following. as though i were 5?

23:48:57 kakobrekla: adlai if its not airworthy, are you going to dive the seas with it?

23:49:02 jurov: and they do want pilots to risk in combat, hence arrangements to preserver their life

23:49:32 adlai: kakobrekla: well pete_dushenski didn't link source so i'm not sure what's in store for that plane, but all i took from the quote is that it won't be chemtrailing isil farmlands

23:49:48 ben_vulpes: adlai: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/ghostrider-gunship-scrapped-after-inverted-flight-sc-419208/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

23:49:50 assbot: Ghostrider gunship scrapped after inverted flight scare ... ( http://bit.ly/1T59Vyw )

23:50:26 adlai: this is #bitcoin-twatters now?

23:50:39 ben_vulpes: i have no idea where it came up with the notion i found it on twitter

23:50:46 kakobrekla: ;;google Air Force has been forced to write off a brand new $115million gunship

23:50:47 gribble: Air Force Forced To Write Off New $115Million Gunship After Pilot ...: http://breaking911.com/air-force-forced-to-write-off-new-115million-gunship-after-pilot-flew-it-upside-down/; Air Force forced to write off brand new $115million gunship after ...: http://www.capitalbay.news/news/924213-air-force-forced-to-write-off-brand-new-115million-gunship-after-pilot-accidentally-flies- (1 more message)

23:51:02 kakobrekla: dozens

23:51:08 jurov: gotta train pigeons instead

23:51:50 ben_vulpes: a smaller example: some high performance gliders will tear themselves apart if they go too fast, pete_dushenski

23:52:07 adlai: jfc, how about http://www.afmc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123462877

23:52:08 assbot: AC-130J accident report released ... ( http://bit.ly/1T5a9pf )

23:52:39 ben_vulpes: is this one of the birds nominally intended to replace the warthog?

23:53:04 adlai: and this still doesn't have the report itself, or say what happens to the plane... and i just ran out of distraction-minutes

23:53:24 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: loss of life 'costs' something, which is presumably fixed in this example, whereas 'value' of plane decreases over time, starting at $115 mn and eventually ending up at whatever the scrap is worth melted down.

23:53:58 pete_dushenski: along the continuum of depreciation, the net loss in the plane's 'value' will equal the 'cost' of crew life, ya ?

23:54:04 adlai: aha: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:s1Id4kjvxc4J:www.airforcemag.com/AircraftAccidentReports/Documents/2015/042115_AC130J_Eglin.pdf

23:54:05 assbot: UNITED STATES AIR FORCE AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION BOARD REPORT ... ( http://bit.ly/1T5amZB )

23:55:23 adlai: "The mishap pilot (MP) was attempting to ..." << check it out, they're already slandering it on mircea_popescu

23:56:26 ben_vulpes: the net cost of that one incident?

23:57:11 ben_vulpes: or amortization schedule?

23:57:55 ben_vulpes: the plane is now unflyable, so in the sense that its value was "one returned crew, maybe" its value is now "not likely a returned crew".