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00:02:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.06677775 = 0.1336 BTC [+] {2}

00:03:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.07599999 = 0.228 BTC [+] {3}

00:06:14 Duffer1: http://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirvana-185306

00:06:14 ozbot: Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana

00:06:59 Duffer1: "The truth in no online database will replace your daily newspaper"

00:07:41 Vexual: hiss eyes are more glazed than his orb

00:08:52 Vexual: he evvisions a bigger, shinier trackball with more velco

00:09:21 Duffer1: ha

00:09:49 Duffer1: needs more corduroy imo

00:16:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 842 @ 0.00012 = 0.101 BTC [+]

00:19:26 Vexual: another fun image processing exercise, no corduroy, no run

00:21:25 Vexual: orb reports fatal cord error

00:23:27 deadweasel: ha, the family, mildy entertaining. i'm pretty sure as US citizens, we are allowed blow up foreign groceries.

00:23:30 deadweasel: as long as we use drones.

00:23:48 deadweasel: mildly* se

00:23:55 deadweasel: fuck keyboards

00:32:52 thestringpuller: amazing

00:32:52 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:35:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.297 BTC [-]

00:45:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.297 = 0.594 BTC [-]

00:45:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.0799999 = 0.24 BTC [-]

00:50:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08200001 = 0.164 BTC [-] {2}

00:50:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]

00:51:16 mircea_popescu: deadweasel mildewy ?

00:57:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.00012 = 1.8 BTC [+]

00:58:47 deadweasel: the brain, yes

01:18:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.297 = 2.97 BTC [-]

01:22:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00284965 = 0.2622 BTC [-] {3}

01:23:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00090258 = 23.8281 BTC [-] {2}

01:31:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012 = 1.2 BTC [+]

01:54:26 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmIG9ujYEyM

01:54:26 ozbot: Peter Chung Animated Creations (6) - YouTube

01:55:18 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8pwUMuS8S0

01:55:19 ozbot: Aloe Blacc - I Need A Dollar (Ben E & Falki Remix) - YouTube

01:55:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 37 @ 0.0421892 = 1.561 BTC [-] {6}

01:56:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2063 @ 0.00012 = 0.2476 BTC [+]

02:01:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC

02:02:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 20000 @ 0.001 = 20 BTC

02:10:45 Vexual: nubbins' how foes the rainbow vomit?

02:12:13 Vexual: your macig fountain bar installation

02:15:03 KRS|Gotyawallet: hey Vexual

02:15:13 Vexual: hello

02:16:08 nubbins`: ah. we didn't have enough time to make a rainbow vomit

02:16:14 nubbins`: had to settle for rainbow streamers ;(

02:16:51 Vexual: did it provide a model of a frame of reference where light only behaves as a wave and shit?

02:17:25 nubbins`: in fact, the room filled up with vibrations

02:18:02 Vexual: amazing

02:18:02 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:44:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.00012 = 1.8 BTC [+]

02:47:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.297 = 2.079 BTC [-]

02:49:56 Vexual: reading popescue is like nos, theres that numbing confusion that might be funny, but you don't know where you're sitting, a fruity dry nose of old wood and nosferatu, and a defined sense of nostradamus lingering on the palette.

02:50:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8334 @ 0.00090338 = 7.5288 BTC [+]

02:52:09 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/qfFCe

02:52:10 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

02:52:47 nubbins`: that's the past 24 hours for me

02:54:11 Vexual: nice, i really like it just as the first colour even

02:55:13 nubbins`: nod

02:55:38 nubbins`: thanks

02:56:37 nubbins`: super last minute job, almost didn't get it done on time

02:57:00 nubbins`: i was wrapping up the stack of prints like 25 minutes before the doors opened at the venue :0

02:57:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27662001 BTC [-]

02:58:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27660003 BTC [-]

02:58:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4590 @ 0.00012 = 0.5508 BTC [+]

02:58:45 Vexual: so theyre souveneirs mor e than advertising?

03:00:04 nubbins`: yeah, they're selling them at the show as merch

03:00:29 nubbins`: way too expensive to post outdoors ;D

03:00:39 Vexual: hot off the press baby, tres cool

03:02:00 nubbins`: thanks

03:02:05 nubbins`: went delirious earlier

03:02:08 nubbins`: up til 4am printing

03:02:17 nubbins`: then awake again this morning & nothing to eat but 2 cookies

03:02:21 nubbins`: until 6pm

03:02:28 nubbins`: ink fumes

03:02:30 nubbins`: &c

03:02:31 gribble: Error: "c" is not a valid command.

03:04:13 BingoBoingo: ;;asks 1000

03:04:17 gribble: There are currently 12892.122 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10964663.8696 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0757 seconds

03:07:43 Vexual: https://twitter.com/Omar_Gaza/status/413762734602194944/photo/1

03:07:44 ozbot: Twitter / Omar_Gaza: #Gaza: Evacuating an elderly ...

03:19:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0475 = 0.57 BTC [-]

03:33:35 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pduLqCiq1YM

03:33:36 ozbot: Ed Sheeran & Passenger - No Diggity vs. Thrift Shop (Kygo Remix) - YouTube

03:35:07 KRS|Gotyawallet: hmmm

03:35:10 KRS|Gotyawallet: this deserves a play

03:36:39 KRS|Gotyawallet: Vexual: Highly recommended: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6MPfX1ISC0

03:36:50 KRS|Gotyawallet: That bitch is hawt

03:37:12 Vexual: stones no longer safe on earth

03:39:18 KRS|Gotyawallet: Vexual this song is great

03:40:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1350 @ 0.00012 = 0.162 BTC [+] {2}

03:42:33 Vexual: bueno

03:43:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 300 @ 0.0028 = 0.84 BTC [-]

03:47:32 Vexual: http://vimeo.com/30567004

03:47:33 ozbot: Maroon 5 - Moves Like Jagger on Vimeo

03:48:27 Vexual: salut

03:56:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]

03:56:44 KRS|Gotyawallet: Vexual did you like that song Rosana

03:56:56 KRS|Gotyawallet: video is hilarious

03:57:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC

03:57:53 nubbins`: i can't stop staring at that poster

03:57:57 nubbins`: so proud ;(

03:59:08 Vexual: do you do art prints for galleries nubules?

03:59:47 nubbins`: we've had prints that we've done in galleries

03:59:51 nubbins`: not our own works though

03:59:55 Vexual: yes i did like that video krs

04:00:28 nubbins`: like that poster i linked isn't our design

04:00:30 nubbins`: we just printed it

04:00:47 Vexual: so u ink stuff for artists to sell for 100s?

04:01:35 Vexual: u should hop a train to nyc

04:02:15 nubbins`: heh

04:02:19 nubbins`: nah, too busy

04:02:35 nubbins`: but yes, that's a thing we do

04:02:43 nubbins`: hundreds is a bit less common

04:03:25 nubbins`: great way for people to make money tho. sell posters for like 20-30+ each

04:03:42 Vexual: yeah, looks like decent parchment u got there

04:03:45 nubbins`: costs maybe 6-10 to print them

04:04:00 nubbins`: nice cotton rag paper

04:04:07 Vexual: u make decent nmoney to stay up all night

04:04:10 nubbins`: acid free

04:04:41 nubbins`: it's not about what you make, it's about what you spend :D

04:04:46 Vexual: nod

04:06:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.002836 = 0.2127 BTC [-]

04:09:18 Vexual: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Oz-31-p1and2.jpg

04:09:27 Vexual: this is from an old sydney zine

04:10:49 nubbins`: siiiick

04:10:56 nubbins`: that thing on the left

04:10:59 nubbins`: :o

04:11:13 Vexual: that issue is floating around pdf style

04:12:33 nubbins`: we do a fully silkscreened zine once a year

04:12:56 nubbins`: too costly to hand print the insides generally

04:13:48 nubbins`: but it's nice to just hemorrhage money once in a while and produce something that challenges you

04:24:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00090483 = 2.8955 BTC [+] {2}

04:27:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0487896 = 0.5367 BTC [+]

04:35:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]

04:35:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1340 @ 0.00043287 = 0.58 BTC [-] {8}

04:35:38 Vexual: http://thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/

04:35:38 ozbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> A Crypto Challenge For The Telegram Developers

04:43:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12740 @ 0.00090578 = 11.5396 BTC [+]

04:58:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 838 @ 0.00012 = 0.1006 BTC [+]

04:58:38 mircea_popescu: .d

04:58:39 ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 198 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.2912% in 0d 22h 36m 44s

04:58:48 mircea_popescu: 30% o.o

04:59:58 mircea_popescu: i have no idea who "owen gunden" is and even less of an idea why he thinks he's in a position to play the expert in this space.

05:00:03 mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotyawallet ^

05:00:45 KRS|Gotyawallet: ya

05:00:51 KRS|Gotyawallet: right

05:01:12 KRS|Gotyawallet: figured you'd find that interesting so i shared

05:01:47 Vexual: gay hat

05:02:50 Vexual: came on the front of a magazine just like red hat

05:03:50 Vexual: marie claire? whoops, i wanted android developer

05:03:52 mircea_popescu: dork parade.

05:04:00 mircea_popescu: but anyways.

05:04:51 Vexual: trotsky wore a nice hat ya?

05:05:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00090578 = 3.6231 BTC [+]

05:05:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 233 @ 0.00045 = 0.1049 BTC [+]

05:08:33 Vexual: that shit prevents brain injury

05:09:19 Duffer1: nice hats?

05:09:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5000 @ 0.001 = 5 BTC

05:09:45 Vexual: my alologies

05:10:07 mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy anyway.

05:10:46 Vexual: tis the season

05:12:12 mircea_popescu: "let

05:12:32 mircea_popescu: s pretend there doesn;t exist a $1bn+ player around and our 5mn start-up could matter"

05:12:36 mircea_popescu: nice season.

05:12:45 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka4ZPBLz9NI

05:12:46 ozbot: Bunny Wailer - Bald Head Jesus - YouTube

05:20:07 kakobrekla: imgur.com/Wppk2o2

05:20:16 kakobrekla: http://imgur.com/Wppk2o2

05:20:16 ozbot: a basic primer on economics (for new users) - Imgur

05:20:26 KRS|Gotyawallet: Player indeed

05:20:34 Vexual: hows pankakkes economics lesson going?

05:21:13 KRS|Gotyawallet: we've all seen those startups with fancy logos and names you've never heard of before..in almost any industry or service offering

05:21:30 KRS|Gotyawallet: some almost seemed like a packaged deal you can buy online

05:21:45 KRS|Gotyawallet: real tight and lulzy

05:22:02 KRS|Gotyawallet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJVmu6yttiw

05:22:02 ozbot: SKRILLEX - Bangarang feat. Sirah [Official Music Video] - YouTube

05:27:12 KRS|Gotyawallet: IPO in a box

05:27:57 KRS|Gotyawallet: Just name your board and officers allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. Attorneys fees, filing and taxes extra.

05:28:17 KRS|Gotyawallet: 'Shells R Us'

05:29:23 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XiYUYcpsT4

05:29:24 ozbot: Bob Marley - I Shot The Sheriff - YouTube

05:37:55 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1mo75mKFJ0

05:37:56 ozbot: DJ Algoriddim: King Pharoahs Plague (Yabby U, Vivian Jackson, Tommy McCook, King Tubby) - YouTube

05:37:58 mircea_popescu: one of these days some us kid is going to pay attention in school, and thus hear about this "flying with machines heavier than air" new idea

05:38:27 mircea_popescu: and before you know it there's going to be a bloweing start-up in virginia, which is going to maybe one day have airplane flights among cities!

05:38:39 mircea_popescu: like you know, a regular thing! creativity! revolution!

05:38:56 Vexual: theres a great ultralight crash on liveleak

05:39:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 679 @ 0.002836 = 1.9256 BTC [-]

05:39:12 Vexual: gotta start somewhere

05:39:49 Vexual: land, stroke beard, kick thing with adrenalin

05:40:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the startup of steam! will have to come first.

05:40:52 mircea_popescu: nah, there's no multi billion dollar steam company already in business

05:40:57 asciilifeform: (as described here - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388)

05:40:58 mircea_popescu: thus therefore it's not a hot subject.

05:41:11 mircea_popescu: notice how kids play about being cavalry officers on their wooden horse cca 1800

05:41:13 mircea_popescu: but not 2000 ?

05:41:18 mircea_popescu: now they're tank commanders.

05:41:38 asciilifeform: i did both...

05:41:46 mircea_popescu: i never did the tank thing.

05:45:11 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lOnYL1uSuc

05:45:11 ozbot: Machete Kills TV SPOT - President Carlos (2013) - Charlie Sheen Movie HD - YouTube

05:55:36 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KDW80qLXs

05:55:37 ozbot: Johnny Vegas - The Late Late Show | Behind The Scenes - YouTube

06:09:03 Vexual: why is there an mpex logo on that stones track>?

06:09:17 Vexual: illuminati/?

06:13:20 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkMg_X9lHMc

06:13:20 ozbot: Marteria - Kids (2 Finger an den Kopf) [Offizielles Video] - YouTube

06:17:38 Vexual: hey smidge, im getting thirsty

06:18:10 Vexual: please don't forget about me

06:21:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1530 @ 0.00012 = 0.1836 BTC [+]

06:23:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 172 @ 0.00299336 = 0.5149 BTC [+] {5}

06:24:44 Vexual: you sure get all english as a second language when you don't like the content smidge

06:28:40 Vexual: you be 3 million euro in the hole, and all i get is distain

06:30:24 truffles: ure super broke vexual?

06:31:21 Vexual: sure

06:32:31 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1Rs6LSvBs

06:32:31 ozbot: transvision vamp - i want your love - YouTube

06:32:41 truffles: i can loan u 6 bux to get u back on ur feat

06:32:50 Vexual: thanks brah

06:33:03 truffles: no prob

06:33:17 truffles: u can turn it into 600 in no time

06:33:38 Vexual: in a week

06:34:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.0227 = 0.1589 BTC [+]

06:35:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02215833 = 0.2659 BTC [-] {3}

06:35:34 truffles: i believe she wants that love

06:35:57 Vexual: ironicly im sure that song gets a cheque

06:36:43 truff1es: hehe

06:37:37 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0A3-wc0rpw more cool hatz

06:37:38 ozbot: Pharrell Williams - Happy (12AM) - YouTube

06:38:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0487896 = 0.4391 BTC [+]

06:39:39 truff1es: my fav pharrell song is

06:41:01 truff1es: cant remember the name

06:41:39 Vexual: youre shit in so many ways truffles

06:41:52 truff1es: :8

06:42:00 truff1es: why u say that

06:42:20 Vexual: well its self evident to me

06:42:42 truff1es: u want hurt my feelings is that it

06:42:59 Vexual: my apologies

06:43:22 truff1es: ure sorry now? pfff

06:43:37 Vexual: whoa, are u esl too?

06:44:05 truff1es: esl ?

06:44:18 truff1es: :D

06:52:49 Vexual: u play mostor hunter truffles?

06:53:15 truff1es: no?

06:53:43 Vexual: oh

06:54:23 KRS|Gotyawallet: anyone see this article

06:54:24 KRS|Gotyawallet: http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12

06:54:25 ozbot: The Bitcoin Meltdown Has Begun - Business Insider

06:56:07 KRS|Gotyawallet: THIS is why we need to move our assets to dogecoin.

06:57:04 Vexual: some of the new new sers will get it in a year

06:58:07 BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: That article basically reads as 'Murica can't bitcoin so I hate Bitcoin

06:58:25 Vexual: murica bitcoins hard

06:59:10 BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: And nevar forget that 'Murica isn't even 'Murican enough for Duck Dynasty

06:59:10 KRS|Gotyawallet: None of those comments address these concerns.

06:59:14 mircea_popescu: lol meltdown my foot.

06:59:22 KRS|Gotyawallet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIqtApWRtEM

06:59:22 ozbot: Public Enemy No. 1 - Public Enemy - YouTube

06:59:28 truff1es: monster hunter looks like role playing vexual

06:59:35 mircea_popescu: someone should save all this retardedness so we can mock "mainstream" media later on.

07:00:12 KRS|Gotyawallet: Those seem like valid concerns. These comments are simply just ignoring the issues.

07:00:38 mircea_popescu: what valid concern specifically ?

07:00:55 KRS|Gotyawallet: Anyone have a good rebuttal for any of the concerns illustrated in the article?

07:01:00 mircea_popescu: ...

07:01:02 KRS|Gotyawallet: I shall pick one.

07:01:08 mircea_popescu: go ahead

07:01:44 KRS|Gotyawallet: im not debating or questioning anyone's expertise here. I'm curious because these seem pretty legit.

07:02:36 KRS|Gotyawallet: ok so the comment about inflation can be dismissed-

07:02:37 Vexual: ....

07:02:44 mircea_popescu: well so which are the concerns ?

07:03:18 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ << the cannonical "inflation concern" rebuttal.

07:03:19 ozbot: The problem of too much money pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

07:03:31 KRS|Gotyawallet: Bitcoin has not taken off as a transactional currency and is further undermined by the fact that the majority of Bitcoin owners hoard e-coins. The more hoarded the less available to buy goods and services and spur economic growth.

07:03:31 KRS|Gotyawallet: Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12#ixzz2nzpQ4sy0

07:03:59 KRS|Gotyawallet: That seems pretty valid.

07:04:02 mircea_popescu: "transactional currency" is a meaningless string created to give the appearance of depth to a nonsense piece of posturing.

07:04:17 KRS|Gotyawallet: However, much of the supply is in the hands of a few.

07:04:20 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is and was a store of value. this is fraudsters 2012,

07:04:24 Vexual: he sung that ax withought a breath

07:04:36 mircea_popescu: and in general these "professors" and "experts" would do a lot better reading more and talking less.

07:04:54 KRS|Gotyawallet: so supply isn't a problem..

07:05:07 mircea_popescu: gold is not "a transactional currency" either.

07:05:13 mircea_popescu: who cares and why is it a topic ?

07:05:25 truff1es: lol!

07:05:26 Vexual: satoshi was very wizard

07:05:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0487896 = 0.7318 BTC [+]

07:05:45 BingoBoingo: I think I said this yesterday, but even the hardest core bitcoiners will still burn fiat for toothpaste instead of BTC

07:06:02 BingoBoingo: BTC isn't consumer stuff

07:06:04 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo of course. grisham's law.

07:06:14 mircea_popescu: bad money driving the good into the storwe of value function

07:06:32 mircea_popescu: basically "btc is not a transactional currency" is a fancy way of saying "the usd is shit, so everyone'd rather spend that"

07:07:13 Vexual: and your avergae bc user prolly has a better about whats going on that your average dollar user

07:07:21 truff1es: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObJEYeqXPhg

07:07:21 ozbot: Amaranthe - It's All About Me (Rain) [ALBUM QUALITY] with lyrics - YouTube

07:07:29 Vexual: a dumb statistic, but worth noting

07:08:05 KRS|Gotyawallet: You know what, I analyzed this article but i actually applied critical thinking this time..initially, I didn't. It really is a bunch of bullshit. None of the points were backed by good examples.

07:08:13 Vexual: if you want to really dumb it down, look at early adopters and the skillset and motivation

07:08:15 KRS|Gotyawallet: I actually can't cite anything else from the article.

07:08:27 KRS|Gotyawallet: It really is propaganda.

07:08:37 mircea_popescu: yw.

07:08:42 Vexual: thats why hes only worked there for 3 weeks

07:08:46 KRS|Gotyawallet: i had to read it 3 times.

07:09:20 KRS|Gotyawallet: its like..i read these rags, but my emotions get tied up because i have an investment in it..and admittedly i let it get the best of me.

07:09:27 BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Welcome to Business Insider, the Buzzfeed of financial reporting

07:09:29 mircea_popescu: yup.

07:09:35 mircea_popescu: it's how they're designed to work.

07:09:42 KRS|Gotyawallet: Critical thinking is hard to weild when your emotions are part of the equation.

07:09:47 Vexual: elvis said you can ignore space and time, don't mean you have to

07:10:08 BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Use vodka to blunt the emotions. What could go wrong?

07:10:17 KRS|Gotyawallet: wow, thanks guys i actually feel enlightened.

07:10:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00090421 = 12.885 BTC [-]

07:10:36 KRS|Gotyawallet: i've tried to tear this thing apart..i can't.

07:10:54 truff1es: u care too much KRS, go drink it off ldo

07:11:20 Vexual: what type of investment do you think you have krs?

07:11:50 KRS|Gotyawallet: all else aside, i think we all have the investment of time. and that in itself is most valuable. (C) 2013.

07:12:22 KRS|Gotyawallet: lol ya my drinking days were left behind in college..wouldn't mind sparking up some fine herb though..pass the j

07:14:28 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgWUnuB6quc

07:14:29 ozbot: Bob Marley Small Axe - YouTube

07:15:12 KRS|Gotyawallet: BingoBoingo: Business Insider a well known rag?

07:15:19 Vexual: kinda

07:15:44 Vexual: and thusly not ashamed to throw some muppet under a bus

07:15:53 KRS|Gotyawallet: guilty

07:15:54 BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Business Insider is actually rather new. They made the decision to be glossy toilet paper from the start though.

07:16:05 KRS|Gotyawallet: hehe

07:16:14 KRS|Gotyawallet: now i know

07:16:41 KRS|Gotyawallet: kind of disappointed in myself for not using critical thinking

07:16:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00283 = 0.1358 BTC [-]

07:16:51 KRS|Gotyawallet: gotta work on that

07:16:56 BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: It is like upworthy or any other non-content enterprise. Business Insider sells titles to get links.

07:17:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8835 @ 0.00012 = 1.0602 BTC [+]

07:17:56 KRS|Gotyawallet: shame..curious, what would be a good publication? i like to read the marketplace in wsj

07:18:27 Vexual: i buy fortune if i want to look flashy on the plane

07:18:30 mircea_popescu: theuy all kinda went to shit

07:18:56 Vexual: the format covers a penthouse

07:19:20 truff1es: washington journal got bought by whatshisface

07:19:20 KRS|Gotyawallet: npr has a business section, i know its radio but everything is available on the website

07:19:43 Vexual: people still read time

07:20:28 BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: For Bitcoin to the best of my knowledge reputable sources consist of fraudsters, The Genesis Block, and thedrinkingrecord.com

07:20:57 KRS|Gotyawallet: BingoBoingo thanks I'll check those out.

07:22:23 Vexual: i read afr in black and white sometimes, but i need a big pinch of salt, some dos guanos and a lime

07:22:33 KRS|Gotyawallet: afr?

07:22:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13452 @ 0.0009018 = 12.131 BTC [-] {3}

07:22:54 KRS|Gotyawallet: honestly..there's nothing like a brand new PENTHOUSE

07:22:55 Vexual: aussie financial rag

07:22:59 KRS|Gotyawallet: ah

07:23:12 Vexual: why do they put penthouse in airports?

07:23:28 KRS|Gotyawallet: Hahaaha

07:23:36 KRS|Gotyawallet: remember CLUB, HUSTLER

07:23:48 KRS|Gotyawallet: my favs

07:25:26 KRS|Gotyawallet: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51n-Xua%2BY0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

07:25:40 Vexual: yeah, we get it

07:28:25 KRS|Gotyawallet: sorry didnt mean to make you uncomfortable there vexual

07:28:35 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGYAAsHT4QE

07:28:36 ozbot: Bob Marley Three little birds (Original) - YouTube

07:28:56 Vexual: fuck no, i hop on the plane open that shit and let murphys law sit a tight little hottie next to me

07:29:05 BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Some people want to be in the mile high club, but the only willing partner they care to find is their hand

07:29:36 Vexual: toast lands butter down so i vegemite the floor

07:29:48 KRS|Gotyawallet: haha

07:30:03 Vexual: no problemas

07:32:27 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6MPfX1ISC0

07:32:27 ozbot: Wax Rosana Official Music Video - YouTube

07:34:26 Vexual: dos guanos gringo

07:35:20 Vexual: stones no longer safe on earth

07:35:25 Vexual: olo

07:37:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00090169 = 7.484 BTC [-]

07:37:59 Vexual: let me run it thru orb

07:40:17 Vexual: nothing

07:42:38 Vexual: smarthouse my arse

07:45:36 Vexual: yes i have an autistic computer

07:46:06 Vexual: invented before the internet

07:47:08 Vexual: fuck you google labs

07:47:54 BingoBoingo: Vexual: I am impressed. I merely have pre-web computers. Nothing pre Internet though

07:48:58 Vexual: wait, when did the internet start?

07:50:19 mircea_popescu: 1960s

07:50:33 Vexual: in any case i chucked that first machine learning package whos name i forget out 20 yearsa ago

07:51:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13194 @ 0.00089985 = 11.8726 BTC [-] {2}

07:51:25 BingoBoingo: 1969 or 1981 depending on which networks whould be counted as Internet proper and not that Goofy intelligence leak the Air Force ran

07:51:58 Vexual: was ip just a joke for plebs?

07:52:18 Vexual: they dont use ip on subs

07:52:35 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Subs have IP

07:52:48 Vexual: yeah?

07:53:07 Vexual: just more wires?

07:53:31 Vexual: were talking internet protocol here right?

07:53:31 BingoBoingo: I'm inclined to take 1981 as the birth of the capital "I" internet though the technologies have been brewing longer. It is when shit went public.

07:54:01 bounce: usenet.

07:54:20 BingoBoingo: Vexual, between my Vodka and your bathsalts it is hard to tell what is being discussed

07:54:25 Vexual: lol

07:54:42 Vexual: i appreciate the macfee

07:55:34 Vexual: ip is excellent for the world

07:56:19 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Scheier and other government agents are dangers to freedom, but so are people tripping balls 24/7 like McAfee

07:56:51 Vexual: yeah well at least hes in control of his own shit

07:58:19 Vexual: gaza would look a lot different without the mossy e

07:58:28 Vexual: v&

08:02:09 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pduLqCiq1YM

08:02:09 ozbot: Ed Sheeran & Passenger - No Diggity vs. Thrift Shop (Kygo Remix) - YouTube

08:02:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 476 @ 0.00282544 = 1.3449 BTC [-] {12}

08:02:34 Vexual: whats better than a double edged sword?

08:06:13 Vexual: ask mcafee hess say a double barrelled shotgun

08:07:29 Vexual: ask the isralei girl who just turned 22

08:08:19 Vexual: she dont want no close quarters comabat

08:08:59 Vexual: she will say 2 tickets to goa

08:10:40 Vexual: the american homeboy in prison might say 2 months in the hole

08:10:51 BingoBoingo: Vexual? What if you need to cause injury to three people though?

08:11:30 Vexual: well if you're asking mossad, theyll say a tripple shot fucking long range missile with a 509 metre kill radius

08:14:20 Vexual: that shit doesnt need a camera, good intel, set, forget

08:17:30 Vexual: id say a triple edged sword

08:17:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC

08:21:55 Vexual: and ballet lessons

08:26:05 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flle3hJm2yk

08:26:05 ozbot: Peter Chung - Loaded Promo - YouTube

08:26:13 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ih1SHVkq94

08:26:13 ozbot: Umami - Sunny - YouTube

08:32:17 Vexual: ill dumb it down so more vodka makes it clearer

08:32:31 Vexual: self relieance and freedom are the themes

08:32:41 Vexual: both of which arent true

08:33:02 Vexual: but the trader has both

08:33:18 Vexual: and they are inalaible

08:34:09 Vexual: futhermore, in the words of australias great irish hero:

08:34:13 Vexual: such is life

08:37:33 dub: Vexual is down with the inhalable

08:37:39 Vexual: lol

08:37:49 Vexual: did i get geolocated?

08:38:01 Vexual: fucking ip

08:39:41 Vexual: csiro wifi patent ran out, sell kennilworth

08:42:10 Vexual: wait noone whos ever even heard of csiro has aven shooken a kennilworth hand

08:44:31 Vexual: fucking leprachauns

08:44:44 Vexual: 100k in sundries for a landcruiser

08:45:22 Vexual: and its asx listed, so the whole shit is half illegal

08:51:40 Vexual: if mircea ran the asx, those rainbow running fucks would be delisted in a heartbeat

08:57:08 Vexual: ive got more gold in my arse

09:01:04 Vexual: something newer, what of this seed fun ?

09:01:08 Vexual: *d

09:03:41 Vexual: yeah thats a lot of coin, im not saying shit

09:07:18 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klVe7_2UEQ8

09:07:18 ozbot: Best Mariachi Music - YouTube

09:11:55 Vexual: dub help me

09:18:04 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63tEbQryLpQ

09:18:05 ozbot: D12 - Shit on You (Full Uncensored) - YouTube

09:18:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.2968084 = 2.9681 BTC [+] {6}

09:19:06 Vexual: yay finance

09:26:04 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXANDMk9Z6w

09:27:16 Vexual: if those guys had a baby smidge would come out

09:28:19 Vexual: from craig davids bottom

09:28:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0487896 = 1.4149 BTC [+]

09:30:04 Vexual: *a smidge

09:30:08 Vexual: not the smidge

09:30:47 Vexual: dont want some facist shouting liabel

09:38:12 Vexual: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e0_1385652769&comments=1

09:38:13 ozbot: LiveLeak.com - Meanwhile In Australia - Riding My Emu To Work (comments)

09:40:51 Vexual: hey smidge

09:41:14 Vexual: mick jagger charges more than you

09:44:41 Vexual: if you want to play games get a nintendo

09:52:01 Vexual: oh i should take my own medecine there

09:52:12 Vexual: £realize

09:52:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00012 = 1.08 BTC [+]

09:53:20 Vexual: ill be back in 3 months with wiiu chip#s for all the gents

09:54:05 Vexual: 300khs scrypt when its off

09:54:12 truffles: free chips?

09:54:28 Vexual: youll have to reselve yourself truff

09:54:32 Vexual: *)

09:54:35 Vexual: *0

09:55:04 truffles: reselve?

09:55:11 Vexual: resolvbe

09:55:14 Vexual: -b

09:55:46 Vexual: can u troll in japanese?

09:56:07 truffles: :(

09:56:27 Vexual: can u make your mum buy you a nintendo and monstor hunter?

09:56:37 truffles: no

09:56:49 truffles: i didnt even play it much when we had it

09:57:01 Vexual: no the new one is better#

09:58:44 Vexual: you lkike to troll?

09:59:20 truffles: i feel like

09:59:27 truffles: ure trying to hurt me

09:59:49 Vexual: no, if you want to troll, i will show you

10:00:29 truffles: ull show me how to fail ok

10:01:08 truffles: if u dont understand what im saying just ask

10:02:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00089947 = 9.9841 BTC [-]

10:02:51 Vexual: perhaps if you learn to harekiri some dumb fuck on monstor hunter u can mine ore on eve for mircea

10:03:24 truffles: its not a game id play

10:03:39 Vexual: they have a warrior shooter

10:04:07 truffles: it looks like a wannabe supermario os

10:04:49 Vexual: nintendo?

10:05:07 truffles: the game, i saw utube clip

10:05:40 Vexual: oh yeah its not as easy as it sounds

10:05:57 truffles: i did enjoy age of empire's 1

10:06:06 truffles: i couldnt make it through AOE 2

10:07:18 Vexual: too versatile?

10:07:47 truffles: i dont like how it looked, it felt like they changed the game

10:09:13 Vexual: if you become accustomed to your old prong it's not necissarily a sign of low intelligence

10:10:11 truffles: i know, im not big on changes

10:12:57 Vexual: nintendo invented two iterations of virual reality and never saw it through, but the innovation gets my money every time

10:13:34 truffles: xbox or wii?

10:13:44 Vexual: wiiu pad is a headset without the velcro

10:13:57 truffles: i dont like wii

10:14:11 Vexual: u will when youre bleeding from the face

10:14:24 truffles: ure gonna make me bleed? heh

10:14:44 Vexual: its unlikely

10:15:10 truffles: esp since ure prob some skinny nerd :D

10:15:15 Vexual: i am

10:15:23 Vexual: u fat?

10:15:32 truffles: im not obese

10:15:44 Vexual: but youll swipe my feet?

10:15:52 truffles: prob

10:16:00 Vexual: u got a pink tracksuit?

10:16:15 truffles: nah

10:16:25 Vexual: kick snow at me?

10:16:29 truffles: i dont fight ppl

10:16:54 truffles: im peaceful

10:17:15 Vexual: me too, youre bleeding from the face by the virtual reality

10:18:05 Vexual: omiting, shiting, sneezing, crying, all at once

10:18:18 truffles: why

10:18:38 Vexual: coz its virtual rality and its a whole experience, unusual to us

10:19:12 truffles: id rather get booze

10:19:35 Vexual: its in your house, do what u want

10:20:48 Vexual: tyhe gaming pop is going to explode with vr headsets

10:21:21 Vexual: ps4 will not last 10 years this time

10:21:36 truffles: getting xbox2

10:21:51 Vexual: sounds right

10:21:56 truffles: obv i dont wanna move on to "new" one

10:22:02 Vexual: obv

10:22:21 truffles: the old one works just fine u kno

10:22:28 Vexual: dead set

10:22:42 Vexual: get version one, at least that plays videos

10:23:05 Namworld: I'm going to play I Wanna Be The Guy, VR version

10:23:14 Namworld: So unfair it might just look like real life.

10:23:16 Vexual: what dat dutchie?

10:23:47 truffles: ps4 looks better than xbox2 though

10:23:54 truffles: too bad i dont like ps4 games

10:23:55 Vexual: its a sony

10:24:35 truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzxJgWbm_3I this?

10:24:36 ozbot: I Wanna Be The Guy - Complete Run (Part 1 of 5) - YouTube

10:24:41 Vexual: dem apples

10:26:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+]

10:27:32 truffles: looks like super mario!

10:28:31 pankkake: but 9000 times harder

10:28:46 truffles: omg mike tyson?

10:28:58 revy: cat in snow

10:29:17 truffles: in the video its fighting mike

10:29:27 truffles: 4:50minute

10:30:29 revy: snot

10:30:55 revy: tears?

10:32:32 revy: its ok if youre watching mario ride link

10:32:58 truffles: im watching link i posted above "I Wanna Be the Guy"

10:34:30 revy: mario didnt fare well in the family

10:35:25 revy: wrong castle

10:37:19 revy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8JAPNbhaT8

10:37:19 ozbot: Black Lagoon - Hey Rock (She likes me for me) - YouTube

10:38:06 truffles: thats on my list of anime to watch!

10:38:37 Vexual: i only ver watch that and urutsukudodji

10:38:51 KRS|Gotyawallet: :P

10:39:08 truffles: cowboy bebop u should watch :D

10:39:32 Vexual: is that like brokeback mountain?

10:39:37 KRS|Gotyawallet: hah

10:39:45 truffles: no wai, its a good one

10:40:11 truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6zDfxZ4NcE

10:40:11 ozbot: Cowboy Bebop opening (Tank) - YouTube

10:40:23 Vexual: yeah ive seen it

10:40:49 Vexual: i cant abide bullshit pace travel

10:40:56 truffles: hater

10:41:15 Vexual: eat me

10:41:38 truffles: u got no meat to eat

10:42:01 Vexual: but if you choose to play i can eat you

10:42:58 truffles: have u seen berserk?

10:43:07 truffles: this intro is pretty graphic/dark

10:43:17 truffles: to Urotsukidoji

10:43:41 Vexual: dont know beserk

10:44:02 truffles: 1st ep is the last ep

10:44:04 Vexual: what do you eat?

10:44:21 truffles: right now? pistachio's

10:44:57 Vexual: ill have nigella round

10:45:16 truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZIoc-iNyBQ&list=PL7mDg8J8cx9QmvNW2Y19T_-9DeKrodjIR

10:45:17 ozbot: Berserk Episode 2 [1 2] English Dub - YouTube.flv - YouTube

10:46:29 truffles: obv gonna have to rewatch that series sometime

10:46:31 Vexual: ha that guy is my cousin

10:46:42 truffles: which

10:46:47 KRS|Gotyawallet: Vexual did you watch breaking bad yet

10:46:54 Vexual: the sword guy who doesnt have a hawk

10:47:06 Vexual: yes ive seen breaking bad

10:47:12 KRS|Gotyawallet: teh best imo

10:47:21 truffles: now go watch The Wire

10:47:27 KRS|Gotyawallet: yeh

10:47:31 Vexual: sigh

10:48:12 truffles: this guy looks like vegeta!

10:48:19 Vexual: fat fuck

10:48:46 Vexual: cliced thin with some hot and sour soup#

10:50:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.03640738 = 0.6189 BTC [-] {7}

10:50:55 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoEiU2KAs9E

10:50:55 ozbot: Black Lagoon - Revy in Japan - YouTube

10:53:21 Vexual: u went to japen Graet

10:53:43 Vexual: whats it like?

10:55:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57337 @ 0.00090173 = 51.7025 BTC [+] {4}

10:56:32 Vexual: did friedcat come and chinese it up, kicking robots in the crotch and shit?

10:57:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000202 BTC [-]

10:59:44 realtetsuo: lend me your shitty motorbike

11:01:00 realtetsuo: i, i, i cant take it any longer

11:01:42 Vexual: feel that?

11:02:51 Vexual: private fibre baby

11:04:59 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzQsfffGzIs

11:05:00 ozbot: Black Lagoon AMV - Revy's broken dreams - YouTube

11:05:17 Vexual: i apologise namworld

11:05:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28000202 = 0.84 BTC [-]

11:06:41 Vexual: if u think revy shooting shit is a spoiler, you can stop watching 2 minutes into episode 1

11:07:29 truffles: not clicking any lagoon links :d

11:07:58 Vexual: fair cop

11:08:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000203 BTC [+]

11:08:36 truffles: Urotsukidoji is really hentai?

11:10:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0487896 = 1.0734 BTC [+]

11:10:36 Vexual: Roanapur is really no place for a lady to be slone tho.

11:11:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00283 = 0.3085 BTC [-]

11:13:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00283 = 0.566 BTC [-]

11:13:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28000203 = 0.56 BTC [+]

11:14:15 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Lx_y-FyT0

11:14:16 ozbot: My Island Home - Christine Anu - YouTube

11:14:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27603222 BTC [-]

11:16:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0487896 = 0.8294 BTC [+]

11:18:21 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD6_kyOyR50

11:18:22 ozbot: Christine Anu - Coz I'm Free (2001) - YouTube

11:22:27 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouqhCtIh2g

11:22:27 ozbot: Sinead O'Connor - Molly Malone - YouTube

11:23:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6732 @ 0.00090271 = 6.077 BTC [+] {2}

11:26:29 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFLP_FzvEOg

11:26:30 ozbot: Kings Cross - Story Of Our Lives - Ben Nevis - YouTube

11:40:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.297 = 2.376 BTC [+]

11:41:46 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWOJlWh6xs0 informatik

11:41:47 ozbot: Black Lagoon AMV - The Scorpion - YouTube

11:47:39 Vexual: has onyone outside of china ever called the police for a bitcoin matter?

11:49:33 Vexual: and the herman that got his laptop took on a country lane

12:25:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00291 = 0.1484 BTC [+]

12:38:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1184 @ 0.00282638 = 3.3464 BTC [-] {3}

12:43:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00090487 = 9.1392 BTC [+]

12:56:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12017 @ 0.00012 = 1.442 BTC [+]

13:10:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 46 @ 0.02113043 = 0.972 BTC [-] {5}

13:14:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 308 @ 0.00253816 = 0.7818 BTC [-] {13}

13:17:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.297 BTC [+]

13:29:49 KRS|Gotyawallet: Bobby Lee has it all handled.

13:30:10 KRS|Gotyawallet: I went to sleep for the night and i'm back already..sad.

13:32:51 truffles: tis the weekend

13:38:11 jurov: ;;later tell Vexual bitcash.cz dude did go to police after the theft.

13:38:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:38:40 jurov: ;;later tell Vexual little did that help so far

13:38:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:49:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 356 @ 0.00281152 = 1.0009 BTC [-] {3}

13:50:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28202614 = 0.5641 BTC [-] {2}

13:50:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00012 = 0.96 BTC [+]

13:51:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2761002 BTC [-]

13:57:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 277 @ 0.00279899 = 0.7753 BTC [-] {2}

14:15:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11883 @ 0.00090481 = 10.7519 BTC [-]

14:17:09 TomServo: .d

14:17:09 ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 130 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.2986% in 0d 14h 8m 2s

14:18:40 ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash

14:18:41 gribble: 9950311.51339

14:18:45 ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate

14:18:46 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1192682487.75 based on data since last change | 1390021250.17 based on data for last three days

14:18:53 ThickAsThieves: wow

14:18:58 TomServo: indeed.

14:18:59 ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats

14:19:02 gribble: Current Blocks: 276061 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 130 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1192682487.75 | Estimated Percent Change: 31.30196

14:23:42 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.00222441 = 0.2224 BTC [-] {3}

14:30:46 ThickAsThieves: http://bitbet.us/bet/134/civil-war-in-the-usa-in-2013/ ha

14:30:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00090519 = 23.8518 BTC [+] {2}

14:30:49 ozbot: BitBet - Civil war in the USA in 2013

14:33:16 truffles: maybe 2020

14:37:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2762 BTC [+]

14:38:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 137 @ 0.001 = 0.137 BTC

14:39:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1150 @ 0.00012 = 0.138 BTC [+]

14:56:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00279899 = 0.2519 BTC [-]

15:05:41 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/mud-immortal-organizer-in-personal-bankruptcy-during-event-1.2470111

15:05:42 ozbot: Mud Immortal organizer in personal bankruptcy during event - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

15:05:48 nubbins`: someone should tell that guy about bitcoin

15:08:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00090636 = 14.1619 BTC [+] {2}

15:14:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 180 @ 0.022 = 3.96 BTC [-]

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15:16:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10523 @ 0.00012 = 1.2628 BTC [+]

15:19:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00090739 = 4.6277 BTC [+]

15:20:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC

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15:40:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10227 @ 0.00090554 = 9.261 BTC [-] {3}

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15:57:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 323 @ 0.00090368 = 0.2919 BTC [-]

16:01:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 50000 @ 0.00012 = 6 BTC [+]

16:12:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 33000 @ 0.001 = 33 BTC

16:15:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 282 @ 0.001 = 0.282 BTC

16:16:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.02229999 = 0.3791 BTC [+] {2}

16:29:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0487896 = 0.1464 BTC [+]

16:32:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2110 @ 0.00090739 = 1.9146 BTC [+]

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17:46:18 mircea_popescu: so today i learned that while in romania you pay 350 euros a month to rent a property worth 70k, in the us you miostly pay 700 dollars a month to rent a property worth 30k

17:46:27 mircea_popescu: you people are getting gypped over there big time.

17:46:36 Duffer1: we know :(

17:46:59 mircea_popescu: but i mean... 4.5x ? come on. it's real estate not nuclear physics.

17:47:10 mircea_popescu: 10, 15, 17% more i can see. 450% ?!

17:47:30 pankkake: I doubt prices are the same in the whole US

17:47:31 Duffer1: there are too many reasons that compound the issue

17:47:34 pankkake: if you want to laugh, come to Paris

17:47:42 mike_c: i've been renting for 15 years and have not found that to be true.

17:47:48 mircea_popescu: pankkake this was spurred by a guy's data re central ohio. meanwhile i had intel check it out

17:47:55 mircea_popescu: it is eerilie universal to the us, yes.

17:48:02 mircea_popescu: just property values vary.

17:48:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4880 @ 0.001 = 4.88 BTC {2}

17:48:14 mircea_popescu: mike_c california and ny stand out as exceptions

17:48:32 Duffer1: far higher than normal right?

17:48:37 Duffer1: "normal"

17:48:53 mike_c: well, if it is true in the midwest, it is likely related to the fact that nobody can get a mortgage anymore in the us.

17:49:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC

17:49:11 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 exaggerate to hell property values, which make rents a smaller proportion but also exaggerated to all hell.

17:49:15 mircea_popescu: hardly a "fix"

17:49:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c no, it's really the baseline that's hidden from you because in california rents are what, 1300 minimum

17:49:41 mircea_popescu: so that scrunches up the curve.

17:50:10 mike_c: hah. 1300 would be awesome. i paid 2100 in CA.

17:50:13 mircea_popescu: you're still being taxed 50k for the priviledge of existing, it just shows up less in the %s

17:50:24 mircea_popescu: mike_c minimum, ya know ?

17:50:40 pankkake: is housing out of official inflation statistics?

17:50:54 mircea_popescu: pankkake obviously.

17:50:58 mike_c: whatever is inflating is removed from the inflation statistics.

17:51:06 Duffer1: hehe

17:51:28 peterL: yeah, housing and food are not included in CPI calculations, IIRC

17:51:38 mircea_popescu: i had not previously realised the us is on such a weak footing, tbh. i mean i had a general notion, but i never cared enough to examine the real estate situation.

17:51:41 pankkake: food isn't either? lol

17:51:49 mircea_popescu: not to mention you idiots - as there's no better name - still don't use torrens.

17:52:00 mircea_popescu: what in the actual fuck, is it 1785 in the us ?

17:52:01 Duffer1: torrents?

17:52:06 mircea_popescu: jesus.

17:52:09 pankkake: that's the two things that indeed have inflated big time in the last years

17:52:13 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 torrens is a title registration system

17:52:20 peterL: what's torrens?

17:52:23 mircea_popescu: which makes it quite feasible for me to buy up real estate personally

17:52:25 Duffer1: never heard of it

17:52:29 mircea_popescu: rather than having to hire some "experts"

17:52:32 mircea_popescu: to fucking fleece me.

17:53:14 mike_c: please. having to hire a lawyer, real estate agent, title company, escrow agent, etc, etc. is totally reasonable!

17:53:19 mircea_popescu: totally.

17:53:31 peterL: MP, I currently rent a house for about twice it would take to buy it with a mortgage, but because of my credit I cannot get a morgage to buy a house.

17:53:38 mircea_popescu: i never used ANYONE. not a real estate agent, title company or escrow. ever.

17:53:49 Duffer1: wouldn't matter even if we did use such a system, housing as you pointed out is is obscenely expensive

17:53:51 mircea_popescu: all i used was a half hour of notary public time, cost me ~35

17:54:04 Duffer1: add to that the 35year olds and under have less than zero wealth

17:54:06 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 it's only obscenely expensive BECAUSE of such restrictions

17:54:38 mircea_popescu: peterL yeah well, how much you paying and what's it worth ?

17:55:10 Duffer1: those agents take their fees on top of list price

17:55:27 Duffer1: remove them and list price is still the same

17:55:27 mircea_popescu: i never hired one.

17:55:31 peterL: I have not estimated exactly what a mortgage would cost for a while, but it is $1000 rent, house is maybe $90000

17:55:40 mircea_popescu: think, millionaire in the 3rd world, never used as much as a real estate agent.

17:55:58 mircea_popescu: peterL you're not getting gypped quite as bad as the average.

17:56:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.0601 = 0.2404 BTC [-]

17:56:12 mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is one of the deep causes of us real estate bubbles, i am coming to realise.

17:56:23 mircea_popescu: it's not loose money policies that cause those, and loose money policies don't cause them in the eu.

17:56:40 mircea_popescu: it's the ingrained notion learned through experience by all us inhabitants that the more you pay the less you're gouged

17:56:41 peterL: My previous house sold for about $30000 and is renting for $900 a month

17:56:45 mircea_popescu: which is wrong, but they look at the percents.

17:57:04 mircea_popescu: on top of that, loose money bubbles the real estate. because they'd rather be the guy paying 1k for a 90k property

17:57:09 mircea_popescu: than the guy paying 700 for the 30k property.

17:57:16 mircea_popescu: obviously it's easier to inflate than to improve.

17:57:24 mircea_popescu: peterL EXACTLY.

17:59:00 mircea_popescu: quite frankly, i can not see how anyone'd put up with this arrangement.

17:59:00 peterL: let me guess, you were investigating "rentalStarter"?

17:59:09 mircea_popescu: peterL it started there.

17:59:31 peterL: care to share your thoughts on the business?

17:59:31 mircea_popescu: why, you know something i don't ?

17:59:52 Duffer1: land owners charge what they can, citizens with zero savings pay what they have to

18:00:01 Duffer1: rent goes up

18:00:06 mircea_popescu: the judgement of the business pivots on the judgement of the guy, as it's tghat small. he seems clever and dilligent but how do you ever know.

18:00:58 peterL: he should have listed on MPEX instead of BitFunder?

18:01:20 mike_c: it's turning btc into housing. i don't see how that will work out.

18:01:32 mike_c: it is a btc divestment.

18:01:42 mircea_popescu: mike_c well, it's going long fiat. there are situations where one'd want that.

18:01:54 mircea_popescu: take the x.eur, roughly same on that score.

18:02:19 mircea_popescu: you obviously wouldn't think of buying the thing otherwise than "buying an us future with a built in interest rate"

18:02:34 pankkake: it allows small real estate investments, where they are usually quite complicated (and taxed)

18:02:43 pankkake: and tradeable

18:02:57 mircea_popescu: pankkake that's the only reason this may make sense, the guy seems to know the situation on the ground

18:03:11 peterL: If you expect bitcoin to stabilize, then it could be a good way to invest in real estate.

18:03:33 mircea_popescu: or it could be a good way to run from btc if you consider it drops.

18:03:36 pankkake: I'm already invested in real estate, and I feel like I'm sitting on a bubble :D

18:03:48 mircea_popescu: just, not the usual "it's been 5 days, any updates ?" sort of "investing"

18:03:58 mircea_popescu: this requires more long term thinking.

18:04:10 peterL: OK, who wants to help me buy a house and I will pay rent in bitcoins?

18:04:14 mircea_popescu: pankkake unless there's a war, $30k detached housing in ohio CAN NOT be a bubble.

18:04:21 mircea_popescu: my mind farts when i consider this

18:04:35 mircea_popescu: a car costs more for fuck's sake.

18:04:39 pankkake: I'm not confortable investing in real estate where I don't know the market, too

18:04:44 mike_c: it will also never be worth much more.

18:05:03 mike_c: so, income stream, ok. good luck outpacing btc appreciation.

18:05:17 pankkake: but would you put 100% of your savings in bitcoin?

18:05:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC

18:05:22 mircea_popescu: possibly not. who's to know ?

18:05:26 peterL: You want to see how low it can go, Detroit is not far from Ohio

18:05:41 mircea_popescu: peterL afaik ohio does not have the monoindustry problem

18:05:45 mike_c: hah. good point. they will pay you to take housing in detroit.

18:05:55 mircea_popescu: but obviously, before buying in one'd have to very seriously consider awhole host of things.

18:05:58 mircea_popescu: which is what investing is.

18:06:18 mircea_popescu: mike_c you know, california is going detroit before ohio is.

18:06:36 mike_c: yes. you have to start higher to crash that low.

18:06:44 mircea_popescu: ohio has flyover zone immunity. california has nothing, hollywood's dead and sillicon valley is losing it.

18:07:11 mircea_popescu: all it can come up with these days is a very thin sliver at the very top and a very wide base of ycombinator retards.

18:07:39 mike_c: and ycombinator is the thin silver on top of the 1000 yc copycats.

18:08:37 pankkake: it's the 2000s all over again

18:08:55 peterL: At least California has better weather than Ohio or Detroit

18:08:59 mircea_popescu: mike_c and they got nothing, all they have is css devels.

18:09:09 Duffer1: googling "torrens" in the u.s. gives nude photo results >.<

18:09:14 mircea_popescu: they're gonna revolutionize the way people do rounded corners.

18:09:19 pankkake: california has sluts / porn right?

18:09:23 peterL: MPEX say "CSS? What's that?"

18:09:49 pankkake: but it's mobile-first responsive css!

18:09:52 mike_c: that bubble has already started popping though. the "series A crunch" is the term for the million crappy startups that are dying.

18:10:02 mircea_popescu: ;;google torrens title

18:10:02 gribble: Torrens title - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrens_title; Torrens Title System - Legal Dictionary - The Free Dictionary: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Torrens+Title+System; Torrens title register - Land and Property Information: http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/land_titles/public_registers/torrens_title_register

18:10:14 mircea_popescu: mike_c ikr

18:10:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 7000 @ 0.001 = 7 BTC

18:10:30 Duffer1: https://www.google.com/search?q=torrens&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=qIe0UrHLOMTmoATk4oHQBQ&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1011&bih=657

18:10:32 Duffer1: nsfw

18:10:35 pankkake: at my ex-ex job I really wondered how all our stupid clients got their funding

18:10:50 pankkake: they all basically wanted to be the facebook-twitter of SOMETHING

18:11:22 pankkake: they had the most overcssed websites

18:11:43 pankkake: webpages that would belong in a magazine, not a browser

18:11:50 mircea_popescu: pankkake "useless stupid unwanted money that nobody knows what to do with"

18:11:56 pankkake: and no business plan obviously

18:11:56 mircea_popescu: to quote the sitll living classics.

18:12:52 pankkake: would be better invested in hookers and blow

18:13:13 Duffer1: or a one way plane ticket

18:13:46 the20year: I don't understand it either pankkake

18:14:03 the20year: They all want to rehash the same exact stuff, and yet they somehow get millions of dollars of funding

18:14:19 the20year: When I have a valid idea, one that's already profitable, and i'm having so much time

18:14:48 pankkake: I guess simple yet profitable ideas are not appealing to bored old men with too much money

18:15:38 the20year: Problem in Ohio is no one wants to develop rental property since it's a get rich slow scheme. Real estate development can return several milion dollars in just a 9 month development phase

18:17:27 the20year: Michigan doesn't have a monoindustry problem , Detroit has one though

18:17:43 nubbins`: hi

18:17:53 mircea_popescu: the20year is what i meant.

18:18:02 mircea_popescu: i don't imagine they were talking michigan when saying detroit.

18:18:23 the20year: Real estate can be very, very localized when talking about problems. I could give you a dozen markets in Michigan I'd love to be in

18:18:29 peterL: mircea_popescue: would MPEx list something like RentalStarter, or is that too removed from bitcoin investing?

18:18:31 pankkake: I hope what I did with my appartment - making it not look like moldy ass - will get it some price boost

18:18:34 the20year: and a dozen here in Ohio I don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole

18:18:53 mircea_popescu: peterL it might, depending. contrary to what forum muppets think mpex is quite open

18:19:01 mircea_popescu: if you got a business and a plan you got a shot.

18:19:06 peterL: oops, mircea_popescu, sorry, I always want to put an e on the end of your name :(

18:19:12 nubbins`: ah, the joys of home ownership

18:19:22 pankkake: eheh. I hope one day I'll be worthy of MPEx

18:19:23 nubbins`: i just spent $275 on a new circulating valve for our tenant's furnace

18:19:30 pankkake: first step would be get my hand out of my ass

18:19:32 the20year: I can buy a new furnace for $550 :D

18:20:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00090673 = 4.987 BTC [-] {2}

18:20:52 the20year: The one thign that helps us out on the upkeep is that we go through the house on purchase and essentially rebuild the whole thing

18:24:40 nubbins`: yeah

18:24:49 nubbins`: often gutting is the best option long-term

18:25:03 nubbins`: this pump that failed was an old pump that they re-used when the new furnace was put in

18:25:11 the20year: We don't completely gut , but anything that's close to its end of effective lifespan gets replaced

18:25:13 nubbins`: lasted all of 3 years

18:25:18 the20year: how old is hte furnace?

18:25:18 nubbins`: yeah

18:25:29 nubbins`: the furnace itself is maybe 4 years old

18:25:35 the20year: Oh wow

18:25:39 nubbins`: yeah

18:25:48 the20year: one option that I considered, but it just didn't work out for us was to buy a home warranty

18:25:51 nubbins`: just too costly to upgrade to electric heat

18:26:08 the20year: are you on gas?

18:26:19 nubbins`: oil

18:26:28 the20year: Ah, oil is by far the worst of the worst

18:26:51 the20year: highest efficientcy is 80% on a furnace, most are 60%-70%

18:27:18 nubbins`: nod. this one is actually a hot water circulating furnace

18:27:34 mircea_popescu: Real estate development can return several milion dollars in just a 9 month development phase << i know a guy that blew up a fortune trying and failing at that.

18:27:36 nubbins`: more of an ebb-and-flow than an instant-heat sort of system

18:27:41 mircea_popescu: it's a fucking movie script of a story

18:27:41 the20year: i'm not too familiar with all the types of oil ones

18:27:45 the20year: mircea_popescu: plenty fail

18:28:03 the20year: The saying when I got into real estate was "Make money in wheelbarrow fulls, loose money in dumptruckfulls"

18:28:18 nubbins`: the20year: basically it's a standard oil furnace, but instead of heating air and pumping it through vents, it heats a large water reservoir that is then circulated throughout the house to radiators

18:28:21 mircea_popescu: and the us does niot have an inflation problem

18:28:27 the20year: Even worse

18:28:43 the20year: I've seen one radiant water heater manage to destroy about $15,000 worth of flooring

18:28:44 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's how most europe is heated, except natural gas not oil.

18:28:57 the20year: natural gas in the US is very, very efficient and cheap

18:28:58 mircea_popescu: the20year wall attachments are standard.

18:28:59 nubbins`: it's not a bad system, because you retain the heat after the furnace stops firing

18:29:03 mircea_popescu: and the bathroom heated towel rack.

18:29:15 mircea_popescu: the20year same all over the world.

18:29:17 the20year: Yeah, but the water part is the problem. Using a high flash point oil is much better

18:29:28 the20year: I pay about $80/mo in the winter to heat my home

18:29:35 nubbins`: and the cold water going to the water boiler for the faucets/shower gets pre-warmed by the waste heat from the furnace, so that helps

18:29:37 mircea_popescu: about the same here.

18:29:52 mircea_popescu: you know, amusingly, most us folk i know think romania is a sort of ohio.

18:29:52 nubbins`: but oil is just expensive. no sweat to drop $450+ a month in the winter

18:29:56 the20year: Yeah

18:30:03 the20year: I'd much, much rather be on wood than oilk

18:30:08 nubbins`: yeah

18:30:12 nubbins`: i'd fucking LOVE a wood stove

18:30:27 nubbins`: but downtown st john's is all 100-year old wooden row houses

18:30:29 mircea_popescu: last i checked wood here was ~$22 a stere meter.

18:30:30 the20year: how so mircea_popescu? The Ohioans I know that have been there said it was nothing like Ohio in terms of society or economy......maybe the land is similar

18:30:37 nubbins`: and as much as i'd love wood, i'd love to continue having home insurance even more

18:30:39 mircea_popescu: the20year climate :)

18:30:45 the20year: Growing up we always got wood for free

18:30:51 the20year: Climate I'm sure is similar

18:31:07 the20year: Past 6 years has had mild winters, but this winter has been the worst in 20 years

18:31:14 the20year: and we're not to the 'real winter' part of it

18:31:19 mircea_popescu: romania had that last yearl ol.

18:31:19 nubbins`: $80/mo is fucking great to heat a home

18:31:22 mircea_popescu: lemme dig some picks

18:31:24 nubbins`: what size are we talking here?

18:31:27 the20year: Sure it is nubbins`

18:31:30 the20year: 1100sf

18:31:34 nubbins`: ah

18:31:36 the20year: @ 70f winterlong

18:32:09 the20year: if we pulled it back to 65 or so i bet we could do it for $50/mo

18:32:25 nubbins`: this place is around 1600sqft, split over 4 levels. average elec bill is $230/mo

18:32:32 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/a-nins-a-nins/

18:32:33 ozbot: A nins ? A nins pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:32:35 mircea_popescu: there we go.

18:32:56 mircea_popescu: ;;google 1600 sqft in sane units of measurement.

18:32:57 gribble: Metric 4 US - Why Metric is the Better System: http://www.metric4us.com/why.html; Units: S - The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/dictS.html; Millennium Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Force

18:33:00 nubbins`: that's heat, appliances

18:33:05 mircea_popescu: sigh. no ai yet, eh google ?

18:33:15 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: consider that canada is ostensibly metric and i don't know the square metrage of my house

18:33:20 mircea_popescu: ~150.

18:33:35 the20year: who's the naked lady?

18:33:44 mircea_popescu: kinda crampy. i have a 220 sq m ground + 170 2nd floor here.

18:33:52 mircea_popescu: the20year my dog.

18:34:10 mircea_popescu: well, was. moved on, got married.

18:34:14 mircea_popescu: i guess now she's someone's mom.

18:34:30 nubbins`: yeah, i can spit from wall to wall here

18:35:15 nubbins`: it's nice for shared living tho, sound doesn't travel well between floors

18:36:08 the20year: So are you located in romania mircea_popescu?

18:36:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` also keeps people well exercised, with all the floors

18:36:24 mircea_popescu: the20year atm yeah

18:37:19 asciilifeform: i might be the 'submarine' champ here. 32 sq. m.

18:37:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8354 @ 0.00090613 = 7.5698 BTC [-]

18:39:08 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: nod, the "studio" is split between the 3rd floor and the basement. sometimes finding your pencil is a workout

18:39:36 nubbins`: the20year: are you the guy from the forums who was looking into buying rental properties in halifax?

18:39:39 nubbins`: or was that someone else

18:39:55 the20year: not me

18:40:32 nubbins`: okay, i think he was doing similar to you but in canada

18:41:27 the20year: once i released info on what i wanted to do, like 20 people copied it

18:41:50 the20year: Another guy in Ohio, one in Detroit, one in alberta, one in NS , one in scottland

18:48:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.02245589 = 2.2456 BTC [+] {3}

18:48:08 pankkake: asciilifeform: 32m² here too. though I have a big ass cellar

18:49:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2594 @ 0.00012 = 0.3113 BTC [+] {2}

18:50:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wow, that's russian style.

18:50:55 mircea_popescu: the20year i wouldn't be too worried about that if i were you.

18:51:36 mircea_popescu: pankkake fun fact : the one room, high 20s to low 30s sqm thing is called "garsoniera" in romania, comes from garcon.

18:52:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29486997 = 2.0641 BTC [+] {3}

18:52:19 asciilifeform: u.s.ian analogue 'man cave' ?

18:52:24 mircea_popescu: i guess so

18:52:31 the20year: i'm not worried since i was the first one in

18:52:38 mircea_popescu: it has no derrogatory nuance here tho

18:53:07 pankkake: well we have the garçonnière. the place where married men fuck other women

18:53:10 mircea_popescu: the20year copycats have this magical way to a) fail and b) do all the expensive dangerous research for you.

18:53:31 mircea_popescu: pankkake so that'd be a filletiere.

18:53:40 mircea_popescu: pronounced filthy-'ere

18:54:27 jurov: it's named so there as well

18:55:49 pankkake: "imitation is the most sincere form of flattery"

18:56:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1250 @ 0.00012 = 0.15 BTC [+]

18:56:16 mircea_popescu: i now wonder what the french word for the place where married men fuck other men would be.

18:57:39 pankkake: folletière

18:57:41 ThickAsThieves: monsieuriere

18:57:48 mircea_popescu: hahaha i like monsieuriere

18:57:59 mircea_popescu: that's where catholic priests fuck your children.

18:58:37 ThickAsThieves: fellatiere

18:58:44 mircea_popescu: hahaha

18:59:12 ThickAsThieves: its got fella and fellate

18:59:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.04878997 = 1.1222 BTC [+]

18:59:16 ThickAsThieves: cant beat that

18:59:18 mircea_popescu: gentlemen, i am glad we've assembled such a crack team of creative linguists on this venue.

18:59:43 ThickAsThieves: its better than the sexting word they made

19:00:01 mircea_popescu: by the way, has the "hate speech" crowd managed to make crack a hurtful reference in gay contexts yet ?

19:00:08 ThickAsThieves: textopornographie

19:00:16 ThickAsThieves: sounds like an Extreme album

19:00:22 mircea_popescu: TPG!

19:00:35 mircea_popescu: tghe french invented this initialism bs which then the us army/govt copied

19:00:46 mircea_popescu: as they've copied all the bad ideas the french ever had since about 1905

19:00:54 mircea_popescu: 1805*

19:01:03 jurov: merde!

19:01:24 pankkake: initialism is mostly our administration

19:01:52 the20year: who?

19:02:57 pankkake: where they invent stuff that must have a good initialism. like EDVIGE (sounds like Edwige the female name) for the police spy file

19:03:14 pankkake: "Exploitation documentaire et valorisation de l'information générale" basically means "Data Stuff"

19:03:21 mircea_popescu: lol

19:04:34 mircea_popescu: it basically means "word soup"

19:04:54 mircea_popescu: and how is edvige a "good" anything. it fails to be an obscure female name.

19:04:55 truffles: what kinda frenchman takes it from a Romanian !

19:06:15 pankkake: EDVIGE is arguably better than SRTRKRTS because you can pronounce it

19:06:43 mircea_popescu: you can pronounce the latter "skirts"

19:07:18 pankkake: after all, people manage to pronounce SCSI…

19:07:19 mircea_popescu: which sounds a lot like the romanian "scirt," which means "big whoop" which as stephen fry would put it, works.

19:07:26 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: ah, those are called bachelor pads here

19:07:31 nubbins`: re: tiny homes

19:07:43 mircea_popescu: i thought re catholic priests.

19:07:44 the20year: One of my biz associates said there's a few RE investment firms looking to expand and want to talk to me

19:07:53 nubbins`: heh

19:08:24 the20year: They're all in limited geographic areas and don't want to branch out, which is one of the problems i'm trying to mitigate early on

19:08:41 mircea_popescu: so that;s good.

19:08:47 the20year: Yep

19:10:59 mircea_popescu: .d

19:10:59 ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 90 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.0535% in 0d 10h 13m 39s

19:11:44 the20year: ouch

19:11:52 mircea_popescu: nothing can save it nao.

19:12:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2119 @ 0.00012 = 0.2543 BTC [+]

19:12:32 pankkake: probably santa mining with the gifts

19:12:33 KRS|Gotyawallet: see the mtgox press release dec 19?

19:13:02 the20year: no?

19:13:03 KRS|Gotyawallet: Now that we are working with MoneyPolo, a leading financial company that is in-tune with the future of Bitcoin, anyone with a verified account will be able to quickly send money to their MtGox account via 128 global currencies.

19:13:07 KRS|Gotyawallet: https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20131219.html

19:13:07 ozbot: Mt.Gox - Bitcoin Exchange

19:13:12 the20year: wow

19:13:16 KRS|Gotyawallet: yeh

19:13:37 KRS|Gotyawallet: ...then they're like BAM!

19:13:43 mircea_popescu: send money TO wasnt ever a problem

19:13:53 KRS|Gotyawallet: oh it was getting it out

19:13:58 mircea_popescu: and moneypolo is "leading" in the very limited universe in which mtgox also matters.

19:14:21 KRS|Gotyawallet: well...mt gox isn't designed like that. Between bad trades, fees are supposed to eat up your moneies anyway so getting fiat out isnt a problem.

19:14:26 KRS|Gotyawallet: I would think it should work both ways though.

19:14:35 asciilifeform: same universe that 'dwolla' existed in?

19:14:57 mircea_popescu: dwolla is about a degree of magnitude larger

19:15:05 mircea_popescu: sure, it's a tiny start-up, but still.

19:15:19 asciilifeform: (i still can't read 'dwolla' without thinking of nigerian spam. must be the consonant cluster.)

19:15:23 KRS|Gotyawallet: A: Withdrawals are coming with MoneyPolo, but not just yet.

19:15:33 the20year: is moneypolo licensed in the US/

19:15:34 mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotyawallet :p

19:15:36 nubbins`: <pankkake> probably santa mining with the gifts <<< lel, isn't that bad for his chi?

19:15:44 mircea_popescu: if you've learned anything in this chan, it's reading betwixt the lines

19:15:49 pankkake: "we need to replete our fractionnal reserve first"

19:16:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think they named it african-sounding deliberately because sexually insecure california white hipster doofuses.

19:16:53 mircea_popescu: either that or someone got stuck on wala-wala.

19:17:33 mircea_popescu: (a small town hipster retreat close to seattle)

19:19:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 40661 @ 0.001 = 40.661 BTC

19:34:44 ThickAsThieves: neobee shareholders are surprisingly good at signing wallet messages

19:35:05 ThickAsThieves: and there is definitely a correlation to qty of shares held

19:37:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC

19:39:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7157 @ 0.00090757 = 6.4955 BTC [+]

19:42:42 benkay: what's alt-hopping pool of auto-cashing-out-in-btc repute?

19:44:08 KRS|Gotyawallet: mining different alt coins to capitalize on their value in hopes of trading up to more btc than otherwise would be mined directly?

19:45:28 KRS|Gotyawallet: i can quickly point my asics to mine different alt coins based on their profitability and go back if need be..auto cash out at preset levels

19:47:20 mircea_popescu: benkay i don't think one exists, tho there'd make defionite sense

19:47:48 TomServo: middlecoin?

19:47:52 benkay: that's it.

19:48:03 benkay: thanks TomServo.

19:48:04 mircea_popescu: one coin to rule them all or how did it go

19:48:11 TomServo: been going crazy lately

19:50:13 mircea_popescu: tbh i thought middlecoin was a coin not a pool

19:50:23 TomServo: nope

19:51:36 TomServo: I read somewhere earlier today the operator is doing something like $6K daily on 3%, if I remember correctly

19:52:17 mircea_popescu: there's a pool charging 3% which actually gets hash ?! wow.

19:52:48 TomServo: paid out 3208.42671599 BTC so far

19:53:16 mircea_popescu: pretty smart thing, anyway.

19:53:20 mircea_popescu: who's the guy ?

19:53:30 TomServo: h2odysee or something like that?

19:53:51 mircea_popescu: myeah. ok, this is an example of starting up right. joined in may 2013, by july he had a useful service.

19:54:39 mircea_popescu: kudos to him.

19:55:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 203 @ 0.001 = 0.203 BTC

19:56:13 TomServo: agreed. Definitely some secret sauce involved, choosing whichever alt is the best at the time

19:56:33 TomServo: folks claim he made a killing on doge, but won't admit it

19:56:35 TomServo: hah

19:56:51 mircea_popescu: folks like to think their stupidity is what makes the world turn.

19:57:02 mircea_popescu: and won't face any alternative explanation.

19:57:48 mircea_popescu: anyway, if his stats are accurate 3k paid out means he made 100 btc.

19:58:07 mircea_popescu: 6k a day, but for two weeks.

19:58:22 TomServo: Yes, the 6k is a very recent thing

19:58:26 mircea_popescu: more like 500 a day irl, not that such a thing is bad

19:58:33 TomServo: You see the graph?

19:58:38 TomServo: middlecoin.com

19:58:49 mircea_popescu: yeah.

19:59:09 mircea_popescu: just forcing the point that "6k one day" != "6k a day"

19:59:55 TomServo: a fair point, I wasn't intending to misconstrue

20:00:59 mircea_popescu: this reminds me of the good days of porn

20:01:02 mircea_popescu: cca 1995 or so

20:01:06 the20year: For webmasters or what?

20:01:42 mircea_popescu: for "guy starts service, 3 months later he's making 500 a day"

20:03:00 mircea_popescu: just out of nowhere, like that. basically electricity is about as ubiquitous as cunt, and i guess crypto is electricity porn

20:03:05 mircea_popescu: weird how geek tastes change.

20:03:39 FabianB_: "anyone with a verified account will be able to quickly send money to their MtGox account via 128 global currencies." <-- 128 currencies? I only see 4 countries moneypolo operates in, how could that be 128 currencies?

20:04:00 mircea_popescu: FabianB_ max halfshortint ?

20:04:13 mircea_popescu: aka mtgox-pr

20:04:26 FabianB_: guess so

20:08:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00091096 = 34.4343 BTC [+] {4}

20:28:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00091394 = 7.4029 BTC [+]

20:32:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7750 @ 0.00012 = 0.93 BTC [+]

20:53:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.002799 = 0.1847 BTC [+] {3}

20:58:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3161 @ 0.00012 = 0.3793 BTC [+]

21:00:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 341 @ 0.00090757 = 0.3095 BTC [-]

21:03:14 jcpham: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1tcgox/my_first_month_of_bitcoin_the_good_the_bad_and/

21:03:34 jcpham: 1 month pro

21:03:50 mircea_popescu: lol

21:03:59 ThickAsThieves: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/12/canada-lifts-all-restrictions-prostitution-2013122015318412319.html

21:03:59 ozbot: Canada lifts all restrictions on prostitution - Americas - Al Jazeera English

21:04:10 ThickAsThieves: Nubbins can work in peace now!

21:04:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.04878997 = 1.3173 BTC [+]

21:04:49 mircea_popescu: lolwut?

21:04:54 mircea_popescu: canada is starting to sound pretty ocol.

21:08:44 ThickAsThieves: "Only day trade with what you are willing to lose completely."

21:08:49 ThickAsThieves: pretty horrible day trading

21:11:15 jcpham: there's much wrong there

21:12:26 asciilifeform: children - like playing with matches. news at 11...

21:17:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12424 @ 0.00090592 = 11.2552 BTC [-]

21:18:11 ThickAsThieves: only eat what you are willing to shit completely

21:18:30 mircea_popescu: lmao

21:18:40 asciilifeform: no

21:18:42 asciilifeform: in this case,

21:18:51 asciilifeform: 'only shit what you are willing to then eat.'

21:19:28 mircea_popescu: mor like only shit what you've completely eaten, uyeah

21:23:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7253 @ 0.00090592 = 6.5706 BTC [-]

21:26:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5832 @ 0.00090445 = 5.2748 BTC [-]

21:27:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 73 @ 0.04878997 = 3.5617 BTC [-]

21:31:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.02021217 = 2.0212 BTC [-] {9}

21:33:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 93 @ 0.00280075 = 0.2605 BTC [-] {2}

21:34:27 ThickAsThieves: Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal also weighed in: "I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment. It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended."

21:34:56 ThickAsThieves: http://gawker.com/what-is-duck-dynasty-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-a-1486356857

21:34:56 ozbot: What Is Duck Dynasty and What Does It Have to Do With a Man's Anus?

21:36:11 Duffer1: i only knew about it from all the damned facebook spam "ZOMG ITS AND OUTRAGE LIBRUL MEDIA INTELIGENTSIA!!!!1111111"

21:37:22 mircea_popescu: it's the perfect storm for the us, really.

21:37:33 mircea_popescu: top rated show star gets canned for "hate speech" while quoting the bible.

21:37:40 Duffer1: i die a little inside every day :/

21:37:55 mircea_popescu: it's finally worked itself into the perfect storm, this deep seething conflict.

21:39:04 mircea_popescu: a perfect illustration of the incredible damage lincoln's imbecillity did to that country.

21:39:18 the20year: what imbecillity?

21:39:37 Duffer1: after the civil war we should have just let the south separate

21:39:38 mircea_popescu: if the slavery question were allowed to die out rather than used as a pretext for a war, you wouldn't still be fighting over the mason-dixon line in 2013 ffs.

21:40:07 the20year: certainly would have been a very interesting situation

21:40:49 mircea_popescu: it's my considered opinion that if you make the sorted list of people that have hurt the us, lincoln tops it

21:40:54 mircea_popescu: bush may be in the top 5, but lincoln tops it.

21:41:06 TomServo: Can we hear all 5?

21:41:19 the20year: It can be hard to speculate how different things would be if we could swap decisions out

21:41:42 Duffer1: the harm done by lincoln was necessary imo, even if slavery was one of many reasons for the war, emancipation still needed to occur

21:41:51 TomServo: Yeah, I'm having trouble imagining how the question would 'die out'

21:42:07 the20year: There could of potentially been a slow transition

21:42:13 mircea_popescu: TomServo roosevelt probably not in there, as shocking as that may seem. hoover for sure tho.

21:42:27 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 emancipation was occuring anyway.

21:42:32 the20year: how do you rate hoover over FDR?

21:42:58 mircea_popescu: hardly half the inheritors of slaves intended to keep them past the death of their parents.

21:43:18 mircea_popescu: the20year that's a huge discussion tbh

21:43:56 mircea_popescu: TomServo because slavery was fundamentally an economic interest, and it is economically ineffectual. it WAS already dieing out at the time of the war

21:44:15 mircea_popescu: however, it was dieing out in a sustainable way, rather than creating the black ghettos that the war created.

21:44:22 Duffer1: even if they didn't intend to keep them, southern laws forbade their existence outside of any context that didn't revolve around a white master

21:44:42 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 slavery laws in the south were evolving, like any body of laws.

21:44:49 mircea_popescu: if you look at their evolution, the thing was doomed anwyay.

21:45:06 the20year: And slavery today isn't very popular at all , outside of sexual slavery which is a whole other ballgame

21:45:22 Duffer1: slavery laws weren't modernized until the 50's and 60s, i believe you're underestimating southern racism

21:45:24 the20year: And it's not like slavery was only existant in the US, as with anything ,money drives the gears

21:45:32 the20year: Duffer1: do you live in the south?

21:45:50 Duffer1: i grew up in texas

21:45:54 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 souther racism as you know it today is wholly the creation of the war.

21:46:03 mircea_popescu: it was entirely a different thing in 1820.

21:46:44 the20year: The thing is , of all the souterners i Know , none really were racist, but i've known plenty of ohio natives that were extremely racist. Heck my great uncle was in the KKK

21:46:59 mircea_popescu: in fact, pre-war southern racism is closest to modern day view on criminality.

21:47:12 mircea_popescu: you could argue that the way criminals are handled today is chiefly designed to keep them criminals

21:47:21 the20year: That's about right

21:47:21 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, people don't generally intend this.

21:47:54 Duffer1: they do

21:47:57 mircea_popescu: but the southerner recognised an extremely varied and complex hierarchy. black = slave = chattel is about as oversimplified as one can get.

21:48:07 Duffer1: it's a for-profit prison system

21:48:15 mircea_popescu: yeah, well.

21:48:30 mircea_popescu: so what's the gain of the war ? picked a different nigger to pile on ?

21:48:41 mircea_popescu: criminals "just happen" to be mostly black anyway, hooray for progress.

21:48:45 the20year: I'm not aware of any gain

21:48:53 TomServo: how was it economically ineffectual?

21:49:21 mircea_popescu: TomServo you get more gdp per capita out of 100 barristas trying to write hollywood scripts

21:49:25 mircea_popescu: than out of 100 field hands picking cotton.

21:49:29 the20year: Correct

21:49:46 Duffer1: the only gain from the war was emancipation, poverty was guaranteed regardless, except for those that left

21:49:46 the20year: Slaves were extremely ineffective at work, however a 'free' black was significantly more valuable

21:50:05 the20year: Look at price rates for irish vs germans vs blacks in new york state in the 1800s

21:50:22 TomServo: I knew I'd be displaying my ignorance asking that, ah well. Thanks.

21:51:24 the20year: It's a wonderful system we have here

21:51:37 the20year: While the rights of everyone gets trampled on over failed social projects

21:51:38 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 poverty was NOT guarantgeed regardless.

21:51:47 mircea_popescu: this is like saying famine in 1950s germany was guaranteed regardless.

21:51:58 mircea_popescu: when you go bomb the shit out of the infrastructure the end result is you'll be poor.

21:52:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04878997 = 1.4637 BTC [-]

21:52:07 Duffer1: it was illegal for them to own anything

21:52:26 mircea_popescu: that varied.

21:52:32 mircea_popescu: you familiar with the expression "sold down the river" ?

21:52:38 Duffer1: even if they stayed they were fully dependent

21:53:43 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 ^

21:54:10 the20year: Not all of them

21:54:11 Duffer1: i've heard the expression

21:54:16 mircea_popescu: what do you think it means ?

21:55:18 Duffer1: sold to a harsher plantation owner

21:55:46 mircea_popescu: exactly. but looky : it is an act of betrayal, fundamentally.]

21:56:16 mircea_popescu: for there to be betrayal there must be trust. trust is the substance of contracts, which is exactly antithetical to how black-white relations are customarioly represented.

21:56:27 mircea_popescu: it is in fact the way the whites of the time represented them to themselves, mostly.

21:56:48 mircea_popescu: and now, the fact that upriver conditions are softer and downriver harser kind of proves that the situation is in fact evolving

21:56:52 mircea_popescu: rather than a set in stone thing.

21:56:59 mircea_popescu: which is the whole of my argument really.

21:59:45 Duffer1: i dunno, i feel it's a case of a little leaven fermenting the whole lump

22:00:19 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

22:00:39 the20year: With regards to racism?

22:01:00 mircea_popescu: on the other hand saying that the civil war the direct result of the southerner's staunch opposition to high taxes and unsound money coming into conflict with lincoln's vision of a leviathanesque all-controlling state.

22:01:15 mircea_popescu: that vision has meanwhile been realised, and unsurprising anyone with a clue, you mostly don't like it.

22:02:02 ThickAsThieves: i think most americans are more apathetic than that

22:02:11 the20year: There was a pretty interesting quote made by a southern general after the war, i need to dig it up, being just about that. And that over time the civil war would be made about slavery and nothing else

22:02:13 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

22:02:34 mircea_popescu: the20year nothing new in this world except the history you never read and all that.

22:02:59 mircea_popescu: obviously the statal propaganda machine will have tried to make it all about a simple, cut and dried issue.

22:03:14 mircea_popescu: the soviet's (failed) invasion in afghanistan was also about greater justice.

22:03:35 Duffer1: macro economics isn't as eye catching as the horrors of slavery

22:03:39 the20year: Essentially his quote was that he, nor anyone he knew in the south fought for slavery, but against federalism. And that it would be replaced with slavery as time went on since education in the south would likely be federalized by notherners

22:04:05 mircea_popescu: basically obama's ideas that he can arrest anyone at any time for any rteason ?

22:04:15 mircea_popescu: it has ample precedent. that precedent is the government of lincoln.

22:04:37 Duffer1: or bush as a more modern example :P

22:04:38 mircea_popescu: not any sort of country anyone'd wish to live in, but then again people living in shitholes rarely get the choice.

22:06:03 the20year: 19th century history is pretty simplified too, for public consumption

22:06:37 the20year: (With war leadups being my complaint) as far as it is in US schools

22:06:47 the20year: granted, i was taught in school that the civil war was bout states rights and money :D

22:07:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]

22:07:54 Duffer1: they claimed "states rights" meanwhile they were trying to unite the south in its own federal control and mandate a single religion

22:08:13 Duffer1: they didn't want states rights, they wanted the north to stop telling them what to do

22:12:56 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 arguably this may have been the case.

22:13:05 mircea_popescu: had it been the case i'd have perhaps had a different name to top my list

22:13:10 mircea_popescu: but as it is, lincoln carries it.

22:14:06 mircea_popescu: but obviously no conflict in human history was between the good and the evil. even if no conflict in human history failed being depicted as such. by both sides, of course.

22:15:13 Duffer1: i think lincoln is a good choice, the damage done is undeniable

22:15:55 Duffer1: he was even deporting reporters to canada

22:16:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00090502 = 4.7061 BTC [+]

22:17:11 Duffer1: the precedent set the stage for massive constitutional overreach

22:17:29 mircea_popescu: that's a machine that's still slapping people today.

22:17:50 Duffer1: yep :/

22:18:40 the20year: So, why hoover?

22:19:14 mircea_popescu: hoover because he's to this day the prototype of every corrupt cop going into the service to feel up young women and beat up boys.

22:19:27 mircea_popescu: name one sane thing he did.

22:19:35 Duffer1: herbert?

22:19:51 mircea_popescu: j edgar

22:19:52 Duffer1: seems j edgar fits that definition way better

22:20:10 the20year: I thought you were talking about herbert, as edgar wasn't president

22:20:26 Duffer1: arguably more powerful though

22:20:36 mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be presidents does it ?

22:20:40 Duffer1: dude was pure evil

22:20:43 the20year: Not that I like herbert, he's on my top bad president list

22:20:50 the20year: i assumed the list was US presidents

22:21:00 mircea_popescu: i dunno, seems kind-of not-notable, herbert.

22:21:14 the20year: Smoot hawley is why I don't like him

22:21:19 mircea_popescu: the20year no, i said "people"

22:21:24 the20year: Which destroyed the potential legacy of coolidge

22:21:25 the20year: ah

22:21:38 the20year: in the US or worldwide?

22:21:47 the20year: because no US citizen would take my top 5 bad people list

22:21:49 mircea_popescu: people.

22:22:04 mircea_popescu: as long as they're people dun matter where they're born or what function they get.

22:22:19 the20year: So you'd take lincoln over pol pot?

22:22:27 mircea_popescu: how's pol pot hurt the us ?

22:22:36 mircea_popescu: in general you'll find most damaging are the insiders, not the outsiders.

22:22:45 mircea_popescu: admittedly exceptions can exist, but still.

22:22:59 the20year: Guess I was confused as to the list

22:23:14 Duffer1: american assholes, top 5 :P

22:23:17 mircea_popescu: it's not "bad presidents", it's "people that hurt the us"

22:23:20 the20year: Nevermind, list of people who have hurt the uS

22:24:25 mircea_popescu: making a list of "bad" people generally is really an exercise in measuring the weight of air, in air, with a scale and weights made out of air.

22:24:40 mircea_popescu: cloudwatching, basically.

22:24:48 Duffer1: hehe

22:25:53 mircea_popescu: pt barnum might be on the top 10.

22:26:08 Duffer1: oo interesting

22:26:50 Duffer1: without the circus the bread isn't enough?

22:27:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1691 @ 0.00012 = 0.2029 BTC [+]

22:27:47 mircea_popescu: well, i have some respect for the variety tradition, but barnum is a sort of paul little without a cause.

22:28:22 jurov: what about oprah winfrey?

22:28:26 mircea_popescu: possibly us entertainment sucks so bad to this day because him.

22:28:32 mircea_popescu: jurov well i don't include live people.

22:29:09 mircea_popescu: (paul little = max hardcore, the cheap makeup and vomit porn guy)

22:29:21 mike_c: who are the top 5 people who hurt romania?

22:29:48 mircea_popescu: carol the 2nd definitely tops that.

22:30:13 the20year: And top 5 for france?

22:30:20 mircea_popescu: stalin, hitler... small country in europe whadda ya want.

22:30:21 Duffer1: ;;wikipedia carol the second

22:30:22 gribble: Error: "wikipedia" is not a valid command.

22:30:34 mike_c: hehe carol: Known more for his romantic misadventures than for any leadership skills,

22:30:41 mircea_popescu: guy was an outrage.

22:31:27 mircea_popescu: france got hurt bad by hitler, perhaps worse by wilhelm,

22:32:02 mircea_popescu: the schmuck that joan of arc wanted on the throne ain't so good either, and then with the 1789 revolutions you got plenty of nutty socialists to pick from

22:32:10 the20year: Petan?

22:32:18 mircea_popescu: i dunno, top 100 maybe.

22:32:28 mircea_popescu: why's he notable ?

22:32:44 mircea_popescu: (petain you mean, the vichy guy ?)

22:32:50 the20year: vichy

22:33:20 mircea_popescu: you know before vichy he was the one guy in the top brass that objected to their nutty "infantry charge" tactics

22:33:26 mircea_popescu: on thegrounds that well... bullets kill.

22:35:08 pankkake: not sure about Petain himself, but the Vichy gov started a lot of shit that are still going on today

22:35:12 mircea_popescu: (since we're doing this : guy kept fucking around, and eventually married, aged 60. the woman's name was hardon)

22:36:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25020 @ 0.00012 = 3.0024 BTC [+]

22:37:45 mircea_popescu: mike_c guy's father, carol 1st however, is probably the model monarch.

22:37:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7740 @ 0.00090445 = 7.0004 BTC [-]

22:37:58 pankkake: many forms of unique IDs, the ponzi retirement system, minimum wage, daylight savings, mother's day

22:38:05 mircea_popescu: bah, father. wasn't his father, they were barely related, nm me.

22:38:21 mircea_popescu: pankkake the ponzi retirement system was invented by von bismarck.

22:38:35 mircea_popescu: his idea was that people will have incentive to keep killing each other so as to avoid ponzi effects.

22:39:12 pankkake: the fun thing is that those things are usually claimed as own "victories" from the left!

22:39:34 the20year: Of course they are

22:40:02 mircea_popescu: you get better anal sex when the girl regards taking it in the ass as her own, personal victory.

22:40:19 asciilifeform: 'ponzi retirement' had ample precedent: 'Tontine.'

22:40:24 pankkake: though right after the war he had the healthcare thanks to communists

22:40:28 mircea_popescu: kinda why porn is so important. makes sex better for everyone.

22:40:40 asciilifeform: tontine <- 16th c.?

22:40:43 pankkake: does tontine work with debt?

22:40:54 pankkake: I thought it was just a pot

22:41:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : "tont" is one of the many ways to say dumb in romanian.

22:41:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00090502 = 5.8826 BTC [+]

22:44:20 the20year: mircea_popescu: if we released rentalstarter to mpex, how much funding do yo uthink we could raise?

22:44:39 mircea_popescu: i don't think god himself can answer that.

22:45:16 mircea_popescu: s.nsa raised ~500 btc, if memory serves. s.mg ~10k. s.dice about 50k or so. s.bvps if i recall correctly about 100

22:45:41 Duffer1: do you have a target 20?

22:46:05 the20year: Depends on terms, i'd love to raise more capital via shares, as long as I can keep some equity in it, but i'd prefer just standard bank leverage

22:46:32 the20year: If more shares and i get to keep equity, around $100k USD

22:46:36 mircea_popescu: you'll definitely be keepiong a 50% stake.

22:46:43 the20year: That's good to hear :D

22:46:50 mircea_popescu: well you have to, the way the contracts are made

22:47:00 mircea_popescu: (mpex shares are non voting. as a result, the operator has to maintain majority)

22:47:04 the20year: Right now the way it's written if we can hit $250k in capital, I get a performance bonus

22:47:24 mike_c: a performance bonus for raising capital?

22:47:30 mircea_popescu: that seems odd.

22:47:44 mircea_popescu: is it mostly your friends and family backing you so far ?

22:47:54 the20year: $250k based on the initial investment of $92k , or a total growth of 271%

22:48:09 mikaeldice: Increased investment isn't growth

22:48:23 the20year: I meant capital growth in terms of equity/assets in the company

22:48:52 mircea_popescu: normal talk makes producers walk...

22:48:56 the20year: lol

22:49:13 the20year: in other words i shouldn't be typing when i'm doing 5 other things and not paying attention to what goes on IRC

22:49:30 pizzaman1337: any person that wants to list on mpex first needs to pay the registration fee, right?

22:49:33 mircea_popescu: irc is your life. you will honor it as if it iwere your life.

22:49:44 mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 there's fees to list, yes.

22:49:51 the20year: and blood oaths

22:49:55 pizzaman1337: different from the registration fee? how much is it?

22:50:18 mircea_popescu: there's not an "it", this isn't aluminum siding.

22:50:23 Duffer1: ;;google mpex list fee

22:50:24 gribble: Loper OS » A Review of MPEx, the Bitcoin Stock Exchange.: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108; English - MPEx: http://mpex.co/faq.html; MPEx - Bitcoin: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx

22:50:38 mircea_popescu: bwahaha asciilifeform look at that! you're now an authority!

22:52:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00012 = 0.3 BTC [+]

22:53:02 pankkake: only because fraudsters is banned?

22:53:36 benkay: mircea_popescu: what is the listing fee?

22:53:37 mircea_popescu: o it is ?

22:53:53 mircea_popescu: benkay there isn't a fixed fee. you negotiate it when you list.

22:54:47 benkay: ah.

22:55:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.02240347 = 0.8961 BTC [+] {5}

22:56:41 KRS|Gotyawallet: i'd wait til it goes on sale to list

22:57:10 mircea_popescu: ya, that strategy worked great for the ppl wanting accounts :D

22:57:16 KRS|Gotyawallet: lol

22:57:36 mircea_popescu: i stgill have mail going "whatg, 500 dollars for a seat ?! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!! HOW DARE YOU!!!"

22:57:51 KRS|Gotyawallet: i heard once a year there are complimentary seat offers

22:58:05 KRS|Gotyawallet: lol still

22:58:13 mircea_popescu: yeah, bring 6 friends get yours free.

22:58:47 KRS|Gotyawallet: so if i buy 6 seats i can resell 7 thats tight

22:59:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 943 @ 0.00279898 = 2.6394 BTC [-] {3}

22:59:40 Duffer1: ha

23:01:12 KRS|Gotyawallet: theres actually decent volume..just need to work on the graphics a bit :D

23:01:37 mike_c: wow that link on ascii dissecting mpex. I guess a few things have changed since february.

23:02:11 KRS|Gotyawallet: im retro like that, i dig ascii too..nothing like simplicity.

23:05:23 mircea_popescu: io dun even recall waht it says. is it bad ?

23:05:56 mike_c: not really bad. but conclusion is that he's not plunking any money down on mpex. now he has a company listed there.

23:06:14 mircea_popescu: lol

23:06:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.001 = 0.4 BTC

23:06:22 mircea_popescu: jurov : pr! check it out.

23:10:48 asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-usa-security-rsa-idUSBRE9BJ1C220131220

23:10:49 ozbot: Exclusive: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

23:13:12 mircea_popescu: ha!

23:13:52 asciilifeform: the only real news here is the actual cash value of one particular bribe.

23:14:00 mircea_popescu: rsa sold out fort 10mn

23:14:08 Duffer1: i wonder if that makes rsa legally vulnerable to fraud suites

23:14:08 mircea_popescu: chjeap.

23:14:12 asciilifeform: to be fair, we see the carrot, but not the stick.

23:14:44 asciilifeform: 'execs can also have problems. and here, have $10m.' is rather more humane than 'execs can also have problems. get down on yer knees, ready to please.'

23:15:15 mircea_popescu: selling s.nsa shares.

23:15:32 mircea_popescu: will take three us govt brass daughters per.

23:15:42 mircea_popescu: if twins or dungeon broken, 2 per.

23:15:59 Duffer1: dungeon broken?

23:16:05 asciilifeform: 3.5 if they can run a reflow line.

23:16:14 Duffer1: i think i'm too young to hear that one

23:16:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.06210002 = 0.1863 BTC [+]

23:18:48 mircea_popescu: like housebroken, but for the other kind of pets.

23:19:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no see, if they can run a reflow line they get to sit at the table with the adults.

23:19:20 Duffer1: ohh i thought it was a euphemism for.. well n/m

23:21:15 Duffer1: tell us how long it takes before nsa contacts you

23:21:38 Duffer1: about changing gpg to something less secure

23:21:41 mircea_popescu: herp.

23:21:49 mircea_popescu: they'll have to come beg here, like everyone else.

23:21:59 asciilifeform: nsa did write me a letter once: 'dear mr. s, we regret to inform you that we have no openings matching your..... '

23:22:08 mircea_popescu: so if you see a lot of "plz to change gpg it is hard to use" you can guess it's them.

23:23:14 Duffer1: does s.nsa have any marketing budget? / plans to set up shop at security conferences etc?

23:23:44 mircea_popescu: yes / maybe if we find a good outsourcer.

23:25:48 benkay: outsourced person to do conference show-upping?

23:26:59 mike_c: outsourcing evangelism is tough for such a technical product.

23:27:18 mike_c: anybody qualified would be expensive!

23:27:46 Duffer1: cardano seems pretty simple, even i got it

23:27:54 asciilifeform: what will be interesting is: once the idiot imitators show up.

23:28:13 asciilifeform: (and insist, through their misfortunes, on providing free marketing for the real deal.)

23:28:29 Duffer1: hehe

23:28:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12572 @ 0.00090383 = 11.363 BTC [-] {2}

23:29:05 asciilifeform: not unlike, if i'm not mistaken, what is happening with mpex.

23:29:34 mike_c: PR stunt: pit cardano against that website that guesses your number

23:30:02 mircea_popescu: mike_c gotta give the twentysomething enthusiasts a way in.

23:30:03 asciilifeform: mike_c: i wrote that. (or actually, johnny von neumann did.)

23:30:08 asciilifeform: mike_c: someone actually did this with an rsa keyfob!

23:30:11 asciilifeform: the fob lost.

23:30:12 mircea_popescu: the current bs they do, setting up shop and pretending like they matter and exist is for the ducks.

23:30:14 mike_c: hehe

23:30:26 mircea_popescu: the correct way is to do for instance conference evanghelizing for s.nsa fior a uyear.

23:31:04 mircea_popescu: you wanna be a car executive you don't show up at the vp meeting acting like you belong there

23:31:09 mircea_popescu: unless you want to sleep in jail.

23:33:36 asciilifeform: the game in question, for anyone on whom it has not been inflicted:

23:33:37 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html

23:33:37 ozbot: Man vs. Machine.

23:34:03 BingoBoingo: Speaking of efforts to make GPG more easy to use, this is happening http://goteo.org/project/gnupg-new-website-and-infrastructure

23:35:09 mike_c: fuck! i hate that mindreading robot.

23:37:49 mike_c: fail. http://i.imgur.com/JKY7bwv.png

23:38:13 Duffer1: .bait

23:38:14 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6t381DAbS1qbvikdo1_1280.jpg

23:39:11 Duffer1: how dare you speak ill of ozbot

23:39:57 mike_c: ozbot is a good robot that does what its told. ascii's robot reads my mind in uncomfortable ways.

23:40:21 mircea_popescu: is that a birthmark or a beltmark ozbot ?

23:40:56 Duffer1: let me look at it some more

23:41:05 mircea_popescu: mike_c here's a bomb for you : there exists a sequence which makes the bot get 0%

23:41:15 mircea_popescu: this is what nsa paid asciilifeform 10 bazilion for.

23:42:21 jurov: mhm jurov 100: machine 98

23:42:21 mike_c: hehe. well, i could write a counter-bot pretty quickly since he provided the source code.

23:42:31 BingoBoingo: Has radioactive decay improved its entropy to compete with the Cardano yet?

23:42:36 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

23:42:40 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1515620/plain/)

23:42:40 mircea_popescu: !b 2

23:42:58 mircea_popescu: mike_c i give you an hour. .1 btc if you manage.

23:43:05 mike_c: done. go.

23:43:39 mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets hackhaton.

23:44:24 ThickAsThieves: i forgot my hat

23:45:17 mircea_popescu: but in the interest of sanity : obviously radioactive decay is purely entropic. the methods people use to try and extract that entropy however... tsk.

23:47:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1390 @ 0.0004302 = 0.598 BTC [-] {2}

23:49:59 KRS|Gotyawallet: i see you know a thing or two about physics mircea_popescu

23:50:11 mircea_popescu: like 1.5

23:50:14 KRS|Gotyawallet: postulate quantum mechanics much?

23:50:52 mircea_popescu: supposedly i was a theoretical physicist in my youth

23:51:16 KRS|Gotyawallet: its a bit of a fun distraction for me

23:51:34 KRS|Gotyawallet: i've been reading about that sort of thing since i was just a kid

23:52:21 KRS|Gotyawallet: the higgs discovery on mass earlier this year was phenom

23:55:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00090364 = 9.2171 BTC [-]

23:56:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 97 @ 0.01900061 = 1.8431 BTC [-] {5}