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00:11:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00087234 = 9.9011 BTC [+] {2}

00:26:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00087254 = 9.2489 BTC [+]

00:38:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00460294 = 0.5524 BTC [-] {10}

00:39:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00460001 = 0.1794 BTC [-] {2}

00:41:48 Bugpowder: They question is not "to buy or not to buy?", rather, "when to buy?"

00:43:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00086962 = 13.2182 BTC [-] {3}

00:43:38 Namworld: Never?

00:43:38 kakobrekla: no data yet

00:44:17 Namworld: Why buy when you can earn?

00:58:01 Namworld: MtGox about to go 2 digits

00:58:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087254 = 9.3362 BTC [+]

01:00:00 Duffer1_: why isn't the opposite true?

01:00:31 kakobrekla: 2 digits going to mtgox?

01:00:35 kakobrekla: that cant possibly be

01:00:35 nubbins`: heh

01:00:36 Duffer1_: i mean, why do people believe getting fiat out of Gox will be easier than getting BTC out of gox (thus causing the price of BTC to increase)

01:01:03 kakobrekla: no amount of digits is going to gox!

01:01:04 nubbins`: who knows?

01:01:16 nubbins`: why did people believe gox could be trusted with funds in the first place

01:01:45 kakobrekla: why did people believe <every scam in btcland> could be trusted with funds in the first place

01:02:49 Duffer1_: sure but with money trapped their already it's now a question of what people believe they'll have an easier time withdrawing from gox

01:02:54 Duffer1_: there*

01:11:16 kakobrekla: kraken: Hi Everyone - we are working on a major re-design for the site (no, I don't know when it will come out).

01:11:22 kakobrekla: didnt they lauch like last week?

01:11:26 kakobrekla: launch

01:12:16 kakobrekla: also they added fucking dogecoin

01:12:25 kakobrekla: un fucking believable

01:13:08 wao-ender: nice

01:13:24 kakobrekla: yes, if by nice you mean retarded, we agree.

01:15:22 Namworld: nice as in, let the mythical creatures (kraken, doge, etc) stick together.

01:17:35 kakobrekla: http://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/436663439214120960

01:17:38 kakobrekla: lel

01:19:47 nubbins`: it saddens me when "exchanges" add things like doge

01:19:52 nubbins`: even ltc

01:21:23 kakobrekla: but kraken is hip!

01:21:28 kakobrekla: look at the css

01:21:31 kakobrekla: its amazing

01:21:31 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:23:55 nullp: ;baratio bitstamp

01:24:20 kakobrekla: the what?

01:25:53 ThickAsThieves: here comes 99!

01:26:23 kakobrekla: too bad it wont go to 0

01:26:26 Namworld: MtGox 2 digits

01:26:39 kakobrekla: ;;premium bitstamp mtgox

01:26:40 ThickAsThieves: to the core!

01:26:41 gribble: Premium of Bitstamp over MtGox is currently 456.444069231 %.

01:26:42 Namworld: Cusipzzz 50 retest prediction right.

01:26:45 Namworld: On gox only

01:26:58 Namworld: We're going for it ._.

01:27:28 kakobrekla: dunno where these coins are comming from

01:27:37 kakobrekla: book seems kinda empty

01:27:50 kakobrekla: could be fractional coins

01:27:53 Namworld: book has been empty since like 900 USD per BTC

01:28:03 kakobrekla: on top of everything

01:28:15 kakobrekla: but what does this achieve

01:28:25 kakobrekla: more usd in goxes hands

01:28:33 Namworld: Should have put a 100 BTC short with x100 leverage as soon as bad news hit... if only there was a place to do that.

01:29:01 MisterE: Lots of people got cold Coxed heh

01:29:05 MisterE: I'm all in fiat

01:29:05 Namworld: I could bounce the price back to 900 by closing the short.

01:29:19 kakobrekla: MisterE you are on gox?

01:29:24 MisterE: fuck no

01:29:38 MisterE: their shitty premium and verification process

01:29:47 MisterE: I'm glad they failed like a cancer fallen off

01:30:23 MisterE: plus Japanese lie about everything for a long time before you get the real story

01:30:41 kakobrekla: he is french

01:30:54 pankkake: worse

01:30:57 nubbins`: HEH

01:30:59 MisterE: ^

01:31:15 pankkake: he's fat and french, even more suspicious

01:32:11 MisterE: Trollbox is poppin today

01:34:45 MisterE: Trollbox: "Overstock cancelling bitcoin orders now"

01:35:57 MisterE: gonna go so low and I;m a buy them all

01:37:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06200008 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2}

01:37:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1011 = 0.4044 BTC [-] {2}

01:37:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] {2}

01:41:02 Namworld: This is great. We're not at like x10 the price of 1.5 year ago.

01:41:14 Namworld: BTC is growing fast man, so fast. Can't believe.

01:43:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 23 @ 0.10091304 = 2.321 BTC [-] {3}

01:53:18 Duffer1_: a moment for Gox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ4xA5Cggp4

01:53:22 Duffer1_: RIP my friend

02:07:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0710006 = 1.42 BTC [-] {3}

02:12:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00086873 = 7.862 BTC [-] {2}

02:14:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086821 = 3.2992 BTC [-]

02:16:12 Vexual: the lack of breakfast egg down the fron't of his magical tshirt is cause for suspicion

02:16:35 cazalla: RIP in peace

02:17:15 Vexual: @150 they may have executed self insurance

02:17:47 Vexual: covered any losses and such

02:24:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8912 @ 0.00087387 = 7.7879 BTC [+] {3}

02:32:43 mike_c: gox back over 100! to the moon!

02:34:58 Vexual: if they get back, some will make some coin and be happy, like that fat french chep emerging from his kitchen 3 hours later with your roast duck

02:37:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00086821 = 7.9875 BTC [-]

02:38:05 Vexual: theyre good at being bad

02:49:20 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt6LqblW1Vo

03:01:03 Vexual: to the atc trader, it seems r3wt saved my pittance from satoshis locker, so I will be trading again on both exchanges

03:01:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00087412 = 0.6993 BTC [+]

03:04:34 asciilifeform: http://www.securelist.com/en/analysis/204792325/Absolute_Computrace_Revisited

03:06:32 Apocalyptic: Vexual, have fun on Openex's spread

03:06:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00087518 = 9.4957 BTC [+] {3}

03:07:35 Vexual: ug

03:07:53 Vexual: we can find a price

03:09:27 Vexual: asciilifeorm, why aren't bioses bigger?

03:09:44 Vexual: storage is cheap now

03:09:45 asciilifeform: Vexual: they're mighty big, if you ask me

03:10:05 asciilifeform: you can fit just about anything in 4-8M

03:11:13 Vexual: titties on the boot screen, thats as advanced as i get

03:15:29 Vexual: is there such thing as a write once bios?

03:15:40 asciilifeform: Vexual: those used to be standard.

03:16:04 Vexual: circa?

03:16:12 asciilifeform: e.g. the mask ROMs found in most 1980s hardware

03:16:28 Vexual: ah

03:17:25 asciilifeform: in late '80s, EPROM (erasable), programmed by removing and baking under uv light to erase, and writing in a gadget built for the purpose

03:17:32 asciilifeform: then, EEPROM (electrically erasable)

03:17:35 asciilifeform: no uv needed

03:17:59 Vexual: you can make it in your kitchen?

03:18:07 asciilifeform: and finally, modern 'flash', which is really an eeprom that operates on ordinary logic voltage

03:18:18 asciilifeform: (rather than the 12v or so 'erase' rail that was once needed)

03:18:40 asciilifeform: kitchen?

03:18:43 Vexual: lab?

03:18:52 asciilifeform: if you need to read/write old roms, consult arcade machine enthusiasts

03:19:02 Vexual: they still us eit?

03:19:21 asciilifeform: example:

03:19:22 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1066

03:19:35 asciilifeform: little bugger on the bottom-right of 1st shot is eprom

03:19:48 asciilifeform: (top left of 2nd shot, with electrical tape over window)

03:19:57 asciilifeform: http://loper-os.nfshost.com/wp-content/mwredux/rom.jpg

03:20:09 asciilifeform: bottom two photos: ad-hoc reader

03:20:24 asciilifeform: (add 3 wires and 12v rail, it would write)

03:21:14 Vexual: mmmm so lpt

03:21:38 asciilifeform: quick&dirty, works.

03:21:45 Vexual: sexy

03:21:57 asciilifeform: modern pc rarely comes with lpt, i've a pcie card with one just for such occasions.

03:22:45 Vexual: i like how you can ruin shit pugging them in

03:22:55 asciilifeform: ?

03:24:15 Vexual: plugging in a printer in the old days with things turned on occasionally fried motherboards

03:24:24 asciilifeform: ground loop.

03:26:01 Vexual: i/o wasnt meant to be easy

03:26:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6289 @ 0.00087613 = 5.51 BTC [+]

03:26:34 asciilifeform: paradoxically, i/o was much easier (from designer's point of view) in those days.

03:26:38 asciilifeform: usb is a first-class bitch.

03:27:00 Vexual: bill gates evilest contibutiuon

03:27:17 asciilifeform: blame apple for usb

03:27:27 Vexual: ?

03:27:33 asciilifeform: they introduced it

03:27:41 asciilifeform: it's a refinement of their earlier 'adb'

03:28:01 asciilifeform: (the DIN plugs seen on pre-usb apple keyboards and mice)

03:28:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06233334 = 0.187 BTC [+] {3}

03:28:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1011 = 0.3033 BTC [-] {3}

03:28:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] {3}

03:28:09 Vexual: oh

03:28:28 asciilifeform: usb is a highly-stateful protocol with a book-length standard

03:29:01 asciilifeform: vs. something like rs-232, which can be described to a child on a napkin.

03:29:18 asciilifeform: or lpt, where there is no protocol to speak of, only a bunch of wires with controllable logic high/low.

03:30:44 asciilifeform: http://www.ermicro.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/rs232_01.jpg

03:31:09 asciilifeform: https://www.zaber.com/w/images/thumb/1/13/Rs232_waveform_instruction_byte.jpg/400px-Rs232_waveform_instruction_byte.jpg

03:33:42 decimation: ascii maybe we can boot bios out of a TPM

03:33:46 Vexual: can you get a laptop with a 232 anymore?

03:33:53 decimation: and then have that TPM inside a TPM

03:34:30 asciilifeform: 'we put shit in the shit so you can eat shit while you eat shit' (tpm)

03:35:00 decimation: yo dawg we heard you like security

03:35:06 TomServo_: Vexual: Not easily from my experience. Although there are USB to RS-232 converters to be had.

03:35:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6383 @ 0.00087386 = 5.5778 BTC [-]

03:35:26 decimation: ascii your libretto has rs-232 right

03:35:28 asciilifeform: the converters work for most purposes

03:35:33 asciilifeform: yes it does

03:35:34 asciilifeform: and lpt.

03:35:45 decimation: I've spent hours trying to get random usb-232 converters working

03:35:53 decimation: one would think the drivers would be somewhat standard

03:35:53 Vexual: me too

03:35:55 asciilifeform: (if you have a widget that wants hardware flow control, you're generally SOL with the converter)

03:35:55 decimation: not the case

03:37:11 asciilifeform: at any rate, i've worked with gadgets that would not play with any available converter.

03:37:19 decimation: I wish someone would explain why my hard drive, mouse, keyboard and printer all must use the same I/O bus

03:37:50 decimation: did eliminating the PS/2 ports really save anyone any money? I don't get it

03:38:05 Vexual: i dont own a usb kb

03:38:46 asciilifeform: Vexual: same. no kbds made after 1990 or so.

03:38:55 asciilifeform: (garbage)

03:39:00 Vexual: makes it difficult to talk to some things

03:39:18 asciilifeform: ?

03:39:25 decimation: ascii have you tried those 'new' model m's from the guy who bought the factory from IBM in kentucky?

03:39:38 asciilifeform: yes. wasn't really satisfied

03:39:44 asciilifeform: mechanical quality isn't 100% there.

03:39:50 TomServo_: I was just going to say, I feel like such an idiot for getting rid of all those model Ms

03:40:07 decimation: surely the springs on a 30 year old keyboard are starting to wear?

03:40:13 asciilifeform: decimation: nope.

03:40:34 kakobrekla: i also ditched about 5 of them

03:40:39 asciilifeform: decimation: admittedly, it was ~20 yrs. old when i got to it, so i haven't any idea of what they were like when new.

03:40:44 kakobrekla: maybe theres still some laying around

03:40:54 asciilifeform: they're still ~50 usd. on ebay and the like

03:40:58 asciilifeform: amazingly cheap for what you get.

03:40:58 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:41:07 kakobrekla: yes it was.

03:41:15 asciilifeform: if you're willing to clean the thing yourself, you can go as low as $10.

03:41:45 asciilifeform: keys, caps, and plastic shell overnight in enzyme-bearing dishwash liquid

03:41:58 asciilifeform: wash, rinse, repeat

03:42:09 asciilifeform: alcohol for the electricals

03:43:23 decimation: clickykeyboards.com sells them for ~$95

03:43:42 asciilifeform: did sell. last i checked they were sold out.

03:44:10 decimation: they have some 1391401 models made in 1991

03:44:33 decimation: My first computer was an Epson XT

03:44:45 decimation: cost like $1500 in the late 80's

03:44:45 Vexual: c64

03:45:54 decimation: Apparently the keyboards made after 1992 were made by Lexmark

03:45:58 kakobrekla: black and yellow 286

03:46:01 decimation: that's probably the guy who sells them today

03:46:39 kakobrekla: prolly some clone at that point

03:47:44 Vexual: i had a nice imb xt

03:48:15 Vexual: shouldn't have thrown that out

03:48:37 Vexual: even just the kb

03:49:06 Duffer1: so here's an odd problem

03:49:23 Duffer1: i'm unable to upload an image to any file sharing site

03:50:07 Vexual: that had a keyboard connector

03:50:24 kakobrekla: hm might as well color my irc to amber-black scheme

03:50:44 decimation: apparently in March 1991 IBM divested their hardware manufacturing to a company that became Lexmark

03:50:50 Vexual: mines all cga kako

03:51:06 decimation: Lexmark cheapened everything

03:51:50 kakobrekla: Vexual that is not as haxxing as amber

04:06:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00087031 = 2.2193 BTC [-]

04:08:00 decimation: ;;diff

04:08:00 gribble: 3.1295731745222874E9

04:08:31 decimation: .d

04:08:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086808 = 4.6442 BTC [-] {2}

04:09:10 decimation: ;;seen ozbot

04:09:10 gribble: ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 1 minute, and 14 seconds ago: <ozbot> Ken Shirriff's blog: How Hacker News ranking really works: scoring, controversy, and penalties

04:11:05 Vexual: dies a derp

04:11:27 Vexual: whats amber?

04:12:16 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfS5tgNC6qw

04:13:31 Vexual: ahh 2 colour

04:13:46 kakobrekla: http://sales.hansotten.nl/uploads/msx/monitoren/IMG_6798.JPG

04:14:12 Vexual: yes i ne'r had that

04:14:54 Vexual: if i could experience jealousy or shame, i might

04:18:41 Vexual: i only know awe

04:20:02 decimation: I wonder if someone makes a decent LCD-based serial terminal

04:20:51 Vexual: i mgiht have the bits, u want aluminum or wood?

04:21:35 decimation: heh yeah it wouldn't be hard to build

04:21:41 decimation: I wouldn't mind if it were battery-powered

04:22:01 Vexual: powdercoated steel

04:22:09 Bugpowder: mircea_popescu is back!

04:22:17 mircea_popescu: heya.

04:22:23 Vexual: hey mircea

04:22:31 mircea_popescu: what disaster happened ?

04:22:37 Bugpowder: I have taken the gospel and spread fear in the hearts of men

04:22:51 Bugpowder: #mtgox chat has been muted indefinitely

04:22:54 decimation: ozbot is apparently dead

04:22:56 Vexual: the dude from gox is fat and im on my third bottle of whisky

04:22:57 Bugpowder: channel

04:23:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4428 @ 0.00087031 = 3.8537 BTC [+]

04:23:00 Bugpowder: not chat

04:23:11 mircea_popescu: mike_c that looks less dumbfoundingly no fucking way-ish. i ordered some data extracted i'll have something in a little

04:23:16 mircea_popescu: once i get to that email or w/e.

04:23:25 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder all hail.

04:23:41 Bugpowder: I watched the pie video two more times and I just can't imagine Tux being evil. So much passion for pie.

04:24:02 Bugpowder: Maybe I am seduced by the french language

04:24:12 mircea_popescu: maybe you're seduced by fatties.

04:24:13 Vexual: i know kaluah when i see it

04:24:26 mircea_popescu: what, srsly, passionate people can't lie ? what's this.

04:24:30 decimation: is that guy still camping outside of mtgox's building in tokyo?

04:24:42 mike_c: less dumbfoundingly stupid? :D assets is so affirming

04:24:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c check yo privilege man.

04:24:58 mircea_popescu: at least you're here.

04:25:04 mike_c: hehe. just teasing.

04:25:33 Vexual: theyre moving to paris so they an toss insolent brits into the river

04:25:46 mircea_popescu: decimation whay wouldn't he, you know ?

04:25:56 mircea_popescu: i mean, he'd be camping somewhere else if not there, not like he has a house or anything.

04:26:16 mircea_popescu: middle class folks looking through the press always imagine that the protesters are you know, like them. house and two cars.

04:26:25 Vexual: nor coin with witch to pay for a roof

04:26:41 decimation: there are probably many actual bums who would be happy to protest for a few coins

04:26:47 mircea_popescu: right ?

04:26:57 mircea_popescu: how do you think obama clinched the elections ?

04:26:57 decimation: Karpales should be arrested by the UN for being a fat fuck

04:27:00 mircea_popescu: #occupy-bumstreet

04:27:06 decimation: busin' bums from the 'hood

04:27:10 Vexual: dont ill have another hernia

04:27:23 mircea_popescu: Vexual i hear Hernia's pretty hawt.

04:29:34 Vexual: seriously, don't make me laugh too much or ill have to pay some faggot surgeon tho render me unconcious and tke a knife to my nether regions

04:29:40 decimation: mircea, I liked your nigger story on fraudsters, but I was confused about the link on your second footnote - do you mean Yarvin's article posted Sep 2013?

04:30:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 257 @ 0.00303966 = 0.7812 BTC [+] {2}

04:30:55 mircea_popescu: decimation yes, i do.

04:31:02 decimation: okay that makes sense then

04:31:26 mircea_popescu: a rare day when what you thought mp meant is what mp actually meant.

04:31:30 mircea_popescu: lets celebrate!

04:31:52 decimation: heh. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mr. Yarvin reads your blog

04:32:02 mircea_popescu: it wouldn't hurt him if he did.

04:32:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1819 BTC [-]

04:32:22 decimation: his early stuff was good, especially on the structure of power in the us and economics

04:32:29 decimation: low SNR though

04:32:30 mircea_popescu: anyway, kids about his age in romania used to do this all the time.

04:33:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 935 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1871 BTC [-]

04:33:16 decimation: skim stuff from idea makers?

04:33:17 mircea_popescu: i know the general opinion is that omg copying is bad or w/e, but i don't hold it. any painter worth a shit was made by copying the old masters in his own hand. it's how you become a good writer, rewrite fucking hemingway

04:33:20 mircea_popescu: or whover you like.

04:33:52 mircea_popescu: decimation the idea isn't to "skim stuff" and try to pass it as your own. the idea is this :

04:34:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3050 @ 0.00020108 = 0.6133 BTC [+] {2}

04:34:21 mircea_popescu: suppose a guy who is older than you, and better than you, and smarter and more connected and cultivated and powerful than you has a number of slaves, among which this absolutely breathtakingly stunning young lady.

04:34:46 mircea_popescu: now, stealing her and trying to get her dressed is the best exercise a young boy could possibly attempt.

04:35:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07000003 = 1.05 BTC [-]

04:35:15 mircea_popescu: because, turns out, keeping teh girl content is not exactly trivial. it seemed trivial back when the other guy was doing it, but it is not in fact trivial.

04:35:21 mircea_popescu: this is much better than derping about "privilege"

04:35:29 Vexual: rum diaries?

04:35:55 decimation: yeah, being a good master (husband, employer, etc) is hardass thankless work

04:36:02 mircea_popescu: it's not thankless.

04:36:11 mircea_popescu: i get thanked on hands and knees on regular basis.

04:36:39 mircea_popescu: this is how socialism starts : by encouraging the slaves to not be expressively thankful.

04:36:44 mircea_popescu: it all proceeds from there.

04:37:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00305 = 0.2318 BTC [+]

04:37:15 decimation: This is how the us has become ungovernable

04:37:21 mircea_popescu: quite possibly.

04:38:26 mircea_popescu: i mean, take the notion of censorship. you consider it unbearable to be told to shut the fuck up, keep your bitching to yourself and disperse right now. but... you DO keep your thanking to yourself as a matter of course, as if it's ordained from on high.

04:38:46 mircea_popescu: not like you go to the boss and say, hey, it just dawned on me, you're so much smarter than me. thank you for taking the time to be my boss.

04:38:57 mircea_popescu: and if anyone else does, whay! THAT ASSHOLE! THAT BROWNNOSE.

04:38:58 Vexual: i vote 2

04:39:13 mircea_popescu: well... in this context censorship is merely the enforcing of the obligation of coherence.

04:39:34 mircea_popescu: suddenly you have a society in which censorship is not at all absurd, but quite logically sound and flowing from what the people do.

04:39:36 mircea_popescu: this sucks.

04:39:58 mircea_popescu: (and obviously i mean nothing personal by "you")

04:40:47 B007: the boss is not always smarter

04:40:51 mircea_popescu: so then tell him.

04:40:59 mircea_popescu: obviously he's not always smarter.

04:41:01 Vexual: same as ungovernable

04:41:06 B007: but what if you want to keep the job

04:41:10 Vexual: its not a thing

04:41:19 decimation: so the boss has a right to ensure the slaves are in order

04:41:24 mircea_popescu: you don't want to keep the job where he a) isn't smarter and b) can't cope.

04:41:43 mircea_popescu: decimation more like, it's your duty to live in a sane world.

04:42:02 decimation: in the case where you are in an insane job situation, for example, it would be your duty to leave

04:42:10 mircea_popescu: indeed it would.

04:44:09 decimation: so the position of master cannot be granted by fiat

04:44:25 mircea_popescu: B007 of interest re the boss being smarter always or not, see the mp 50-50 rule, too.

04:44:30 mircea_popescu: decimation yes it can. be your fiat.

04:44:47 mircea_popescu: and it should be, because just like with the poker table : if you live with no masters it just means you're an idiot.

04:45:18 mircea_popescu: s/be your/by your/

04:46:12 Vexual: thats some heavy fucking popescuism

04:46:21 mircea_popescu: yeah, only about 3k years old.

04:46:55 Vexual: i was just gonna say i feel like i should be sitting by a campfire 10k yrs ago

04:47:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 980 @ 0.0002 = 0.196 BTC [-]

04:49:03 B007: :%s/be your/by your/g

04:49:10 Duffer1: i'm at a total loss, what could possible prevent me from uploading images to imgur or photobucket or tinypic..

04:49:14 decimation: it is my experience that there is always someone greater

04:49:14 Duffer1: possibly*

04:49:44 B007: Duffer1: whats wrong?

04:50:10 Duffer1: i get an error message whenever i try to upload a pic to imgur

04:50:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00087322 = 33.7063 BTC [+] {5}

04:50:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 709 @ 0.00292987 = 2.0773 BTC [-] {11}

04:50:30 Duffer1: not just imgur but any of those sites, regardless of browser

04:50:41 B007: what error

04:50:49 Vexual: decimation: i find that when i try to trade

04:50:58 Duffer1: unknown just says an error occured

04:51:27 B007: unreliable internet?

04:51:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1939 @ 0.00082945 = 1.6083 BTC [-] {17}

04:51:40 dub: sniff dem packets

04:51:46 B007: ya

04:52:22 Vexual: what are you uploading duffer?

04:52:43 Duffer1: pics of one of my boats for stringpuller

04:53:03 Vexual: one of your boats? how many do you have?

04:53:13 Duffer1: a few

04:53:15 Duffer1: they're models

04:53:37 Vexual: tiikoni.com/tis

04:54:18 dub: he got mad yachts

04:56:01 Vexual: are you watching black sails?

04:56:16 Vexual: as a prequal to treasure island it's disappointing

04:56:27 Duffer1: hey it worked http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd

04:56:52 Duffer1: how does that work first try but none of the others do.. fml

04:57:24 Vexual: ok now i feel jealousy, do yo u sell them?

04:57:37 Vexual: is taht real copper?

04:57:47 Duffer1: yea copper hull

04:58:09 Duffer1: there's no market for em, it's my hobby

04:58:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00299999 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2}

04:59:33 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 the grandeur of javascript.

04:59:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00299999 = 0.111 BTC [+]

05:01:45 Duffer1: reinstall java maybe?

05:02:46 Vexual: delete java

05:05:32 B007: i like writing java exploits

05:05:37 B007: so much fun

05:07:50 Vexual: are the spars painted plastic?

05:08:16 Duffer1: it's all wood and string and copper

05:08:25 Vexual: whats it worth?

05:08:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08699999 = 0.174 BTC [+]

05:09:08 Vexual: those hooks should be lashed

05:09:33 Duffer1: ;;later tell thestringpuller must be java problem http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d767b59 http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=57922df http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d41c734

05:09:33 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:09:53 Duffer1: lies what hooks?

05:10:08 Vexual: abaft the ratlines

05:10:41 Duffer1: you can get a finished one on ebay i'm sure dirt cheap

05:10:53 Vexual: not with a copper hull

05:11:59 Vexual: put aleanor gibbens on the deck and we'll talk coin

05:12:40 Duffer1: ha

05:12:49 Duffer1: i'm pretty sure the hooks are period correct

05:12:49 MisterE: when will we test 500 already?!?!

05:12:58 MisterE: today for sure

05:12:59 KRS-One: second hand word from ne0futur is that mtgox was hacked...anyone?

05:16:47 mircea_popescu: KRS-One that scammer is still talking in public ?

05:16:49 mircea_popescu: fascinating.

05:19:20 MisterE: I doubt even the people in Gox know wtf is going on let alone outsiders

05:20:59 KRS-One: Yes, supposedly. I got that info from someone else.

05:21:21 KRS-One: i just joined the chan where is talking #mtgox-chat

05:22:19 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Z9AuT9g5k

05:22:30 KRS-One: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mtgox-protest

05:22:36 KRS-One: live feed from mtgox hq

05:23:12 Vexual: fuck 13 k viewers

05:23:30 kakobrekla: lol that guy "we knew mtgox is idiots"

05:23:37 kakobrekla: then why the fuck did you have money there

05:23:45 Vexual: nneds more stippers

05:24:42 Vexual: can we get btc girls in tokyo?

05:25:27 decimation: needs more bums too. I bet most bums in Japan are too polite to be much use here though

05:25:28 cazalla: even if they had my coins, i wouldn't sit out there all day

05:25:36 Vexual: roastu ducku tabemashteka?

05:26:12 Vexual: me neither, id send an email

05:26:40 Vexual: shall i traslate?

05:26:56 KRS-One: need moar young japanese hello kitty girls

05:26:59 KRS-One: .bait

05:27:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-]

05:27:12 Vexual: ozbot asleep

05:28:12 decimation: the irony of this whole affair is that while various us states are contemplating idiotic bitcoin regulation, actual bitcoin villians are scamming funds from us citizens

05:29:30 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wa95CvhESQ

05:33:00 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADo6wawOUFo

05:33:59 decimation: such poor editing

05:34:15 Vexual: its a lime stream

05:35:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.485 = 3.395 BTC [+]

05:35:12 Vexual: hey its a mac, AusBitBank should go and steal it!

05:35:31 decimation: no I mean your japanese music videos

05:35:42 Vexual: yeah

05:35:42 *: AusBitBank wakes up

05:35:45 Vexual: lol

05:35:54 Vexual: sup AusBitBank?

05:36:13 AusBitBank: nothin much .. what am I stealing now ? *reads backlog*

05:36:41 Vexual: nothing i know of

05:37:04 Vexual: unless you're affiliated with gox these dyas? :)

05:37:29 AusBitBank: lol nah I cut ties with that trainwreck long ago

05:37:56 decimation: lol all the sad sacks whining on the ustream

05:38:38 decimation: I sold my house and gave the proceeds to Karapales why oh why

05:39:03 Vexual: its all good in the neighbourhood mano

05:40:28 Vexual: i kinda wish i had an account

05:40:56 decimation: just so you can watch the trainwreck?

05:41:15 Vexual: yeah

05:41:51 Vexual: bitcoinity should aution gifspace

05:43:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]

05:43:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00086793 = 37.8417 BTC [-] {2}

05:51:20 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM

05:53:51 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBcywAE1pTk

05:59:04 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YbGN1BMSLc

06:04:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.06200001 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2}

06:06:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC

06:06:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1024 = 0.3072 BTC [+] {2}

06:06:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06200001 = 0.124 BTC [-]

06:06:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]

06:09:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00086861 = 4.9511 BTC [+]

06:10:00 Vexual: KRS-One that stream would be a lot more interesting with godzilla

06:12:38 Vexual: did they move to shibuya?

06:13:17 Vexual: can we get these guys on chan?

06:13:43 Vexual: ill buy em a pizza

06:13:47 Luke-Jr: >_< that SubsidyAlgo patch broke it

06:16:45 Vexual: oh

06:16:59 Vexual: does dhl fly there?

06:18:09 Vexual: what journalist?

06:22:16 Duffer1: i keep checking log to see if you're talking to someone i have on ignore..

06:22:29 Vexual: me?

06:22:34 Duffer1: ya lol

06:22:45 Vexual: luke was ere, is he ignore?

06:23:13 Duffer1: nope

06:23:25 Vexual: im just talking to myself

06:23:32 Duffer1: <3

06:23:49 Vexual: >_<

06:27:16 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quy2RhefKT0

06:28:49 Vexual: dhl!

06:30:12 greenspan_fan: and the marketplace deliver: https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/

06:30:30 greenspan_fan: (don't know if anyone has already mentioned it)

06:31:29 Vexual: tre market

06:32:01 greenspan_fan: or, if you prefer, technical people looking to profit off of technical incompetence

06:33:19 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/

06:33:25 mircea_popescu: required reading, as they say.

06:35:05 mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr say wut ?

06:35:41 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan yeah we had a lol yest.

06:36:48 greenspan_fan: idk if it's completely fungible; you can analyze the blockchain, right? and idk if there's a mixer that you can trust.

06:37:14 kakobrekla: Sorry kakobrekla, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.

06:37:14 kakobrekla: You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com .

06:37:19 kakobrekla: ok so this is the new ban model

06:37:31 Vexual: you're always benned

06:37:57 kakobrekla: yeah well ill ban them back if they come here!!11

06:38:05 Vexual: excellent

06:38:56 greenspan_fan: like I mean, once you have a certain amount of information about the users inferences between two addresses becomes much more accurate

06:39:50 greenspan_fan: what would you do if people started leaning on you for data on your customers?

06:39:56 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan nope, you can't "analyze" the blockchain,

06:40:05 mircea_popescu: you can just think you can.

06:40:24 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hardly worth the attention now are they.

06:40:32 Vexual: i lik ethis gox,bum, just trading

06:41:05 Vexual: stop asking feckin stoopid questiuns

06:41:06 kakobrekla: anyone with half a brain is not there.

06:41:27 Vexual: yeah well i dont have a pssport

06:41:29 mircea_popescu: hes just trying to get a bitcent or w/e it is.

06:42:19 Vexual: 32ksterling

06:43:31 Vexual: oim fookin ruined!

06:47:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9932 @ 0.00087296 = 8.6702 BTC [+]

06:48:26 mircea_popescu: https://blog.blockchain.info/

06:48:31 mircea_popescu: check out the derpage seriously.

06:48:32 mircea_popescu: bluehost ?

06:48:45 Vexual: derpage be in the feed

06:49:14 Vexual: how much yen u lost? whoa i cant count

06:49:49 kakobrekla: but can you cunt?

06:50:01 Vexual: you dont even know kano :)(

06:50:38 Vexual: im surely feeling a fiddle coming on

06:52:17 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0

06:53:03 greenspan_fan: I was hoping for a link with more fiddle

06:54:25 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xmg0uVsPpk

06:55:24 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Congratulations on defending the slander of your soul from the indignity of being allowed on Bitcointalk

06:56:00 kakobrekla: thank you!

06:56:42 kakobrekla: i would drink some voda and instant coffee to toast if i had some

06:56:47 kakobrekla: vodka

06:57:39 benkay: amazing concontion

06:57:39 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

06:57:39 mircea_popescu: got potatoes ?

06:57:43 benkay: cuntcocktion

06:58:54 kakobrekla: i got potatoes, i love potatoes, i dont hav etime

06:59:29 mircea_popescu: so if you don't have time, have a potato.

06:59:41 benkay: potahto

06:59:54 Vexual: no more whisky no more gin

07:00:08 Vexual: its vodka dribbling down my svchin

07:00:32 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouqhCtIh2g&feature=kp

07:00:41 kakobrekla: raw potato will make my time even shorter

07:00:45 benkay: this is disappointing: https://blockchain.info/address/13iGD7nu6kXTtPS9DxKhY4gJdgchvdXJFH

07:01:13 Duffer1: ?

07:01:17 kakobrekla: is that gox cold storage?

07:01:24 Duffer1: ha

07:04:10 benkay: http://fraudsters.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/

07:04:31 mircea_popescu: This exceptionally cold and snowy winter has shown that government climate scientists were dead wrong when it came to predicting just how cold this winter would be, while the 197-year old Farmers? Almanac predicted this winter would be ?bitterly cold?.

07:04:38 mircea_popescu: moar farmer's almanac.

07:05:07 benkay: i'm going to go ahead and guess they're both kinda just stochastically wrong

07:05:57 greenspan_fan: stochastically? climate science makes bad predictions due to overfitting

07:06:22 greenspan_fan: "With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk" -- Abraham Lincoln

07:06:30 mircea_popescu: actually i'm with greenspan_fan here.

07:06:40 benkay: wrong with a beautifully normal distribution on some wrongness axis

07:06:48 mircea_popescu: they overfit to all hell, which is the bane of noobs and politicos in science.

07:06:51 mircea_popescu: and finance.

07:06:54 mircea_popescu: and everything.

07:07:24 Vexual: i agree check your barometer and your atns

07:07:39 benkay: not really buying that an almanac is more accurate

07:08:07 mircea_popescu: why not ?

07:08:12 greenspan_fan: if climate change worries you, looking at the reports they don't really publicize that some places stand to benefit

07:08:40 greenspan_fan: I'd take it more seriously if all the people involved were buying up russian and canadian farmland

07:08:44 benkay: eh not terribly worried about the downside. i know it's pretty bad.

07:08:50 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan meta fitting :)

07:08:51 Duffer1: kansas needs shoreline

07:08:58 Vexual: why no aussie greenspan_fan?

07:09:07 benkay: gotta drain the tundra, greenspan_fan.

07:09:11 benkay: it's not simply farmable as is.

07:09:23 mircea_popescu: benkay minable.

07:09:50 greenspan_fan: Vexual: ozone depletion, so you get (more) cancer w/ your tan? I haven't looked at it in years though

07:09:58 Vexual: china is buying our arable land like theres no tommorrow

07:10:06 jurov: benkay you need water, not just soil

07:10:11 benkay: mircea_popescu i was going to bring up water table problems but just freeze a berm around your mining works el oh el oh el

07:11:06 mircea_popescu: im not a geologist employed by a venture fund trying to buy siberian lands, so what do i care about the water table et all.

07:11:25 mircea_popescu: obviously some places will be better and others worse, but we're discussing the birdseye view here

07:11:37 benkay: nm

07:12:39 mircea_popescu: it'll drain somewhere. you don't really want to buy the riverbed, i guess, but if you disperse your ownership you gotta average out ok.

07:12:43 benkay: i don't really expect accuracy on predictions of the behavior of a really complex multidimensional set of oscillators and dampers (see: planetary processes of weather etc) with totally unknown coupling from a set of modelers whose heads gotta be up they asses much less a book from a ways back

07:13:07 mircea_popescu: benkay the book is better, strictly because it doesn't have the tools to overfit with.

07:13:13 mircea_popescu: you familiar with the concept of overfitting ?

07:13:14 greenspan_fan: well, the book looks at far less data, and perhaps those parameters are better selected

07:13:28 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan nah, they simply don't know math. that's their saving grace.

07:13:41 Vexual: overfitting is imaining where the diamonds are without sighting them?

07:13:44 benkay: intimately. i did a spot of modeling when building a wafer host for a wager probing mfgr.

07:13:59 mircea_popescu: benkay ok so then.

07:14:28 greenspan_fan: I'm doing some modelling too, but it's mostly catalogue work for sears

07:14:36 mircea_popescu: not knowing you can do complex poly fitting means you'll just draw a line through the datapoints

07:14:37 benkay: okay out of curiosity, on what bases were the authors of this almanac predicting?

07:14:40 mircea_popescu: rather than end up with some crazy.

07:14:47 greenspan_fan: I think it's just cyclical trends?

07:14:49 benkay: fully granted

07:14:52 mircea_popescu: benkay hearsay.

07:15:13 mircea_popescu: i think you underestimate the majorly powerful computer natural language is.

07:15:27 mircea_popescu: you perhaps imagine mankind hasn't been using computers before the numeric machines. this would be false.

07:15:38 benkay: hah i do?

07:15:46 mircea_popescu: i dunno, why im proposing it.

07:16:10 benkay: i operate from the basis that we're just chemical machines.

07:16:21 greenspan_fan: additionally, all the fancy numerical methods we use are older than the farmer's almanac, or close to

07:16:21 mircea_popescu: a ok then. well that'd be overfitting for our needs.

07:16:30 mircea_popescu: let's say that we are chemical machines which fit a very primitive lua.

07:16:38 benkay: cognition, layered abstractions.

07:16:46 mircea_popescu: much like bitcoin is running on supercomputers but basically oding some very primitive scripting.

07:16:50 mircea_popescu: you with me ?

07:17:09 benkay: yeah yeah

07:17:27 mircea_popescu: so a bunch of derps cca 1700 who are desperately aware of farming, cause their life depends on it

07:17:44 mircea_popescu: will make and diffuse observations, which is not so unlike asciilifeform's light problem solver yest.

07:17:51 mircea_popescu: eventually they compute something

07:17:52 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00226762 = 1.0204 BTC [+]

07:17:57 mircea_popescu: and that something is the farmer's almanac.

07:18:07 greenspan_fan: it's kind of like feature discovery in AI

07:18:08 mircea_popescu: it's not either very good or very fixable (or actionable, scientifically)

07:18:15 mircea_popescu: but it IS a better fit than the modern climate science.

07:18:36 greenspan_fan: you quantify something (albeit abstractly, like "cold winter" or "windy previous season" or whatever)

07:18:50 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan that's the beauty of natural language vs math.

07:18:58 mircea_popescu: "cold winter" IS a quantification in that sense.

07:19:02 mircea_popescu: it just doesn't have a numeric value

07:19:12 mircea_popescu: it has a lingustic value.

07:19:15 benkay: oh man but this system has a horrible problem

07:19:20 mircea_popescu: it does yes

07:19:22 mircea_popescu: a number of them.

07:19:24 greenspan_fan: hence abstractly; then you can form causal relationships between your observations

07:19:36 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan yeah we're pretty much in agreement.

07:19:38 benkay: which is that most people have just totally fucked substrates for running these operations

07:19:50 mircea_popescu: benkay errors diverge.

07:20:10 mircea_popescu: that's why it takles 197 fucking years to even compute anything usable.

07:20:53 greenspan_fan: additionally, people reinforce their belief on correct predictions and the people who are bad at thinking in terms of a-->b tend to starve vs. write almanacks

07:20:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00087605 = 10.0746 BTC [+] {2}

07:21:18 mircea_popescu: and a whole slew of things such as group selection, and marginalisation, etc

07:21:27 mircea_popescu: all flow from trying to keep the machine as sharp as possible.

07:21:31 greenspan_fan: what is cool is that there's all these (possibly apocryphal) stories about how, say, the inuit have 47 different words for snow

07:21:48 mircea_popescu: that's why the scapegoat is NOT a "horrible crime" in a 1700s culture, but quite fucking required, sane and reasonable.

07:22:16 greenspan_fan: why would you need so many words? because these are the features that you use to interpret your environment, and sometimes survival means knowing light, wet snow from permafrost

07:22:51 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan boas' idea is widely disputed.

07:22:56 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't use it raw like that.

07:23:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07001 = 1.0502 BTC [+]

07:24:08 benkay: there being a relationship between abstraction power of words and the number of maintained in brain on mental horsepower.

07:24:15 benkay: some optimization point on the curve, etc

07:24:29 mircea_popescu: benkay the original argument against teaching the plebs to write.

07:24:32 mircea_popescu: still valid to this day.

07:24:45 benkay: hah i get it fills their brains with ideas they can't handle

07:24:48 mircea_popescu: the original argument against moving away from latin service in church. "what and lose all that abstraction power ?!?!"

07:24:49 benkay: they'll go crazy!

07:25:08 mircea_popescu: benkay no. "it will take more than they can carry to teach them what we mean by all the words"

07:25:16 mircea_popescu: "they'll fuck up the values of our variables and break all the code"

07:25:40 benkay: does latin have significant abstraction power?

07:25:43 benkay: also what are your favorite languages?

07:25:58 mircea_popescu: in the sense that at the time french didn't exist latin had been used continuously by millions for millenia

07:25:59 mircea_popescu: yes it did.

07:26:10 greenspan_fan: english, lisp, then latin in my case

07:26:22 mircea_popescu: greek, latin and romanian.

07:26:56 greenspan_fan: vulgus vult decepi, ergo decepitur

07:27:08 benkay: what's your ranking of them by power of expression?

07:27:28 mircea_popescu: there's no such power of expression function that can be discussed over the set.

07:27:43 benkay: sure and all programming languages are turing equivalent so why bother

07:27:46 greenspan_fan: I'd put english, then lisp, then latin, but that's probably by order of familiarity

07:28:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00087697 = 5.6126 BTC [+]

07:28:07 mircea_popescu: benkay if you care of some inkiling of why greek is the mother of them all, maybe http://fraudsters.com/2009/etimologia-democratiei/

07:28:45 greenspan_fan: I'm kinda skeptical that you can trace lisp back to greek

07:28:54 mircea_popescu: you can trace thought back to greek

07:28:57 mircea_popescu: lisp, not so much.

07:29:06 greenspan_fan: I can't even find a keyboard that has the greek alphabet in it

07:29:16 mircea_popescu: no space cadet where you live ?

07:29:43 greenspan_fan: have you read Jaynes' "The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind"? it's kinda on point in that regard

07:29:54 mircea_popescu: yeah.

07:30:05 greenspan_fan: and no, so all my variables are "alpha" or "epsilon", which is frankly depressing

07:30:37 benkay: mircea_popescu: what did you think of the Jaynes book?

07:30:57 mircea_popescu: i thought it was okay.

07:31:27 greenspan_fan: it's more something that you read about for the ideas, rather than because it's a complete and fleshed out theory

07:32:09 benkay: on an entirely unrelated topic

07:33:08 benkay: this waffling about the legality of bitcoin by places thailand etc are just going to delay its recognition as a thing by the big institutions

07:33:11 benkay: which is great

07:33:22 mircea_popescu: it's really indiferent.

07:34:04 greenspan_fan: more time to perfect the algorithm vs. faster adoption?

07:34:14 mircea_popescu: take the great plague. what difference does the church pronouncement against a great plague, or for it, or about it

07:34:19 mircea_popescu: make to the plague itself ?

07:34:44 greenspan_fan: if you tell all the churchgoers to stay indoors it might make a difference

07:34:48 mircea_popescu: did it ?

07:35:03 mircea_popescu: plagues run to completion. they know.

07:35:15 greenspan_fan: haha

07:35:35 greenspan_fan: and sometimes, the people it forces to stay indoors invent calculus

07:35:46 greenspan_fan: or something. I forget.

07:36:02 mircea_popescu: sure. lawsky will probably invent a whole new way of fucking women in your office

07:36:08 mircea_popescu: owing to his very bizzare low table.

07:36:47 greenspan_fan: googled it, was not disappointed

07:37:18 mircea_popescu: one thing that always shocked me about soviet aparatchicks was how horribly bad their suits were.

07:37:41 mircea_popescu: today what shocks me about the soviet aparatchicks is how horribly uncomfortable their stuff is.

07:37:48 jurov: benkay, define recognition

07:38:14 benkay: "harder, please"

07:38:17 jurov: they will try to ban it? tax it? how?

07:38:22 mircea_popescu: jurov you going to go for a "what they think they see is not what is there thus no recognition could have taken place" ?

07:38:39 mircea_popescu: lol harder please

07:38:47 mircea_popescu: you know you'd have made a great harem girl benkay ?

07:39:02 jurov: yes, i'm interested wha exactly benkay thinks he sees

07:39:09 benkay: i'm working on training my first!

07:39:37 benkay: i dunno

07:39:40 benkay: i'm stoned

07:39:42 mircea_popescu: don't break anything.

07:39:44 benkay: it's late

07:39:51 benkay: hands off the servers i promise

07:41:08 greenspan_fan: what's bizarre to me is how everyone in that AMA was pretty much begging for regulation

07:41:23 mircea_popescu: they'd also made decent harem girls.

07:41:28 mircea_popescu: most do.

07:42:38 greenspan_fan: but it's this unquestioning faith that the best policy is to always shoehorn everything into whatever the prevailing paradigm was

07:42:48 benkay: eventually the bag bursts

07:42:54 mircea_popescu: seems a reasonable approach really.

07:43:00 mircea_popescu: woman goes picking berries.

07:43:16 mircea_popescu: if she finds a new type of berries, you really expect her to run home and come back with a new type of berry bag ?

07:43:50 greenspan_fan: it's more like, if you went picking berries and wandered upon a mcdonalds

07:44:03 mircea_popescu: even so.

07:44:16 greenspan_fan: yes, you can store cheeseburgers in the same bag, but you could also just use the drivethru

07:44:29 mircea_popescu: but you don't have a drivethrough in your country.

07:45:22 greenspan_fan: (before the analogies diverge too much) the problem is is that it completely misses the point about how there's now a fundamentally different way of acquiring food

07:45:33 Vexual: ;;ud dillybag

07:45:34 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dilly%20Bag | Dec 15, 2010 ... Dilly Bag. Apparel such as a satchel or handbag carried by escorts and strippers that are used to contain a variety of accessories used in their ...

07:45:44 mircea_popescu: obviously it misses the point.

07:45:46 benkay: thanks vex

07:45:49 mircea_popescu: why'd you expect her not to miss the point ?

07:46:04 greenspan_fan: because that is a universe I would like to live in

07:46:08 benkay: hey Vexual hit me with some old dub

07:46:22 Vexual: how old ar eyou?

07:46:37 benkay: hahaha

07:46:42 benkay: from before 1970 plz

07:46:50 benkay: 50's if you got it, if it exists

07:46:53 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan so then act that way don't expect that way :D

07:47:06 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYPOghwtEr4

07:47:42 benkay: lovely thankee

07:47:43 Vexual: too big a jump

07:48:13 benkay: it's grand

07:48:35 greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu it's not something that you can do just on your own, though

07:49:10 mircea_popescu: not missing the point is not something you can do on your own ?

07:49:16 mircea_popescu: then what do you want from her.

07:49:48 greenspan_fan: if there's a big enough push, the government can/will step in, regulate everything they can regulate and exterminate everything else

07:50:47 greenspan_fan: it's a marginal risk w/r/t bitcoin, but jeez, one wishes everyone could just get w/ the program w/o all these false steps

07:51:28 mircea_popescu: what are you talking about even.

07:52:05 greenspan_fan: for example that fawning AMA

07:53:23 greenspan_fan: he (and his suspiciously low desk) aren't on your side. They might not be against you, but it's still not a great idea to do your best to hand over control to the first guy with a title and incipient back problems who comes along

07:53:29 mircea_popescu: they aren't ?!

07:53:44 mircea_popescu: wait, reddit hands something over ?

07:53:50 greenspan_fan: well, not really

07:54:04 greenspan_fan: as you point out those people are typically sub 0.1 btc holders

07:54:14 mircea_popescu: dude five minutes ago we were in perfect agreement on complex math stuff, now i have no idea even what you're on about.

07:54:17 mircea_popescu: how can things change so.

07:54:33 greenspan_fan: local inflection point, maybe?

07:54:38 mircea_popescu: must be someting.

07:54:46 mircea_popescu: but i mean, from what axioms you proceed ?

07:54:51 mircea_popescu: i can't identify a shared one even.

07:55:34 greenspan_fan: A1: The government has, at varying levels of cost, options to subvert/ruin the valuable aspects of bitcoin

07:56:02 Vexual: bullshit

07:56:15 greenspan_fan: A2: the government responds to popular will, to some degree

07:57:07 greenspan_fan: A3: The folks on reddit constitute a reasonable sample of the voting public, from which "popular will" is derived

07:57:20 mircea_popescu: a1 and a2 aren't true tho.

07:57:34 mircea_popescu: but write out the whole list it/ll be helpful

07:57:39 Vexual: bc was invented for government fail, not to solve it

07:57:54 greenspan_fan: doing so, since I went to the trouble of using colons and everything

07:58:30 greenspan_fan: P1 (A2, A3): The support on reddit indicates there's some popular demand for government regulation of bitcoin

07:58:37 benkay: another vex another

07:59:31 mircea_popescu: wait, aren't you missing a a4 ?

07:59:36 Vexual: where do we go from here?

08:00:07 greenspan_fan: P2 (P1, A1): There's a good chance of government regulation/interference occuring, which, depending on the effort involved, could lead to subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin

08:00:18 chetty_: reddit twerps count as popular demand? now I know I fell down the rabbit hole

08:00:41 mircea_popescu: chetty_ myeah.

08:00:47 benkay: something with some soul

08:01:01 jurov: subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin << what should i imagine here?

08:01:02 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan your axiomatic system is incomplete. the redditards live off the govt dole. since the govt can not create value out of thin air, you're missing an a4

08:01:08 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbP4JBf8To

08:01:13 mircea_popescu: describing the people the govt actually extracts value from to give to a3.

08:02:07 benkay: amazing vexual!

08:02:07 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

08:02:33 greenspan_fan: I don't even really know how the us economy functions, but it does, after a fashion

08:02:50 greenspan_fan: so I think it's fair to say that it has some ability to execute on A1

08:03:07 greenspan_fan: consider that part of the "dole", in the form of pandering

08:03:48 greenspan_fan: that really should be A4, to be honest; it's kinda weird how I thought that was pre-axiomatic... :(

08:03:53 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c here's the actual data : since jan 1st mpoe bot has quoted 7192 times, for a total book exposure of 62930 minutes, = ~43.7 days (out of 51.4) so like 85%. of these in turn 7 (so like 90%) have been since the 14th, ie since the signal divergence.

08:03:53 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:04:14 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan :p

08:04:27 mircea_popescu: so now... the people whose livelihood depends on government do see it as on their side. it is.

08:04:37 mircea_popescu: they also do expect it to continue making their lives possible, as it has in the past.

08:04:55 mircea_popescu: now, on these reasonable expectations you posit that the government can somehow take the shine out of metal for their benefit ?

08:05:02 mircea_popescu: the shine is to the metal, not separable.

08:05:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24180 @ 0.00087717 = 21.21 BTC [+] {2}

08:05:41 greenspan_fan: bitcoin's an idea, and to quote abraham lincoln once again, "there's nothing that can stop an idea whose time has come"

08:05:58 greenspan_fan: but in the short term you can delay it, for sure

08:06:01 mircea_popescu: more importantly : your average kid on reddit could not survive if i teleported him to a random place on earth.

08:06:08 Vexual: tru dat

08:06:09 mircea_popescu: of fucking course he expects what he expects neh ?

08:06:42 mircea_popescu: but merely that of course he expects it is no ground to say of course it can be done.

08:06:47 greenspan_fan: so I wish these people would just get with the program and not invite the apparatchiks (I think that's also the model of his desk? from ikea, maybe?) to mess things up

08:07:02 mircea_popescu: of course children expect to be the kings of creation. so what of it ?

08:07:22 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0A3-wc0rpw

08:07:26 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan but a) they're not inviting him anywhere, because wherever they are so is he already

08:07:32 mircea_popescu: and b) what's he gonna fuck up ? reddit ?

08:08:08 greenspan_fan: I think we're mainly in disagreement w/r/t whether or not they'd be able to meaningfully intervene

08:08:27 mircea_popescu: so model it.

08:09:49 greenspan_fan: if I had the resources of the us govt, and I wanted to wreck bitcoin at all costs, I'd start w/ outlawing its use for payment, and impose penalties for anyone in my jurisdiction who has a bitcoin wallet

08:09:59 mircea_popescu: you read the discussion re atc with asciilifeform ?

08:10:12 greenspan_fan: no, can you link me?

08:10:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#505460

08:11:21 greenspan_fan: then I'd move on to technical subversion, which might mean dedicating supercomputers to attack the blockchain, or just ddos/hack any of the major players

08:12:32 mircea_popescu: you'd be perpetually too late.

08:12:34 mircea_popescu: that is the problem.

08:12:48 mircea_popescu: not that you couldn't have run, achilles, but that you neglected the turtle.

08:12:52 jurov: greenspan_fan: there are much more cost effective options, and they are deployed right now

08:12:59 jurov: this: http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/fosdem/2014/Janson/Sunday/NSA_operation_ORCHESTRA_Annual_Status_Report.webm

08:13:13 jurov: long but worthy.

08:13:22 benkay: vexual that's crazy

08:13:30 greenspan_fan: listening to it while my code compiles

08:13:34 Vexual: toolong

08:13:40 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0bS-YnLf4s&list=PLB3AFACEE85B0C572

08:14:29 greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu I think we're a year or two out before the hash rate reaches escape velocity

08:14:35 mircea_popescu: really ?

08:14:45 mircea_popescu: can you estimate current network hash in alu ops ?

08:15:14 greenspan_fan: the bailout was like a trillion dollars

08:15:31 mircea_popescu: you familiar with the concept of the bezzle ?

08:15:44 greenspan_fan: yes, I am canadian after all :p

08:16:08 greenspan_fan: for far less than a billion I could commission enough asics to make the network mine, for all intents and purposes

08:16:15 mircea_popescu: ok so. they spent a trillion "Dollars", but those trillion dollars could not have bought a trillion one dollar ringdings

08:16:21 mircea_popescu: no, you could not.

08:16:41 mircea_popescu: you imagine infinite elasticity. this is false.

08:16:49 mircea_popescu: the people who can make asics are ALREADY doing it, on their own account

08:16:53 mircea_popescu: they don't need your billion.

08:16:57 mircea_popescu: so what you got nao, pops ?

08:17:00 mircea_popescu: keep your billion.

08:17:18 greenspan_fan: thx, I need it for my rent anyways

08:17:25 mircea_popescu: this is exactly the trap VCs in their own mind struggle with atm.

08:17:32 mircea_popescu: "o, we got a billion"

08:17:40 mircea_popescu: "well... enjoy shoving it in and out ?"

08:17:55 mircea_popescu: their bitcoin being, of course, dollars, we couldn't, of course, care less.

08:17:59 greenspan_fan: as long as you spend it before the ponzi implodes you're in the clear, no?

08:18:06 mircea_popescu: who you're going to spend it to ?

08:18:22 mircea_popescu: you're desperate to spend it, and the people you need to do things aren't desperate to get it.

08:18:23 jurov: greenspan_fan: you imagine tsmc can and will reject all orders for 2 month or so just cause usg drops a billion?

08:18:35 greenspan_fan: the nsa, intel, whomever

08:18:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16528 @ 0.00087979 = 14.5412 BTC [+] {3}

08:18:52 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan if the nsa, intel, whomever actually could hire more people

08:19:01 mircea_popescu: they'd hire some people who wouldn't be spilling their beans each year.

08:19:25 greenspan_fan: if you model leaks as a poisson process, they're actually pretty air-tight

08:19:54 greenspan_fan: plus, you're assuming that technical talent doesn't respond to things like patriotism

08:20:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475162 << and see that too for better context.

08:20:31 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan technical talent DOES respond to patriotism much more than to money.

08:20:36 greenspan_fan: a few posters of rosie the solderer and voila, you've got your asics

08:20:37 mircea_popescu: the problem is, their country is the serenissima,

08:20:48 mircea_popescu: and your shitty empire trying to infiltrate it will pay through the teeth for no results at all.

08:21:19 greenspan_fan: as a (possibly out of date) counter example, I could point to the manhattan project

08:21:47 greenspan_fan: thousands of supremely bright, capable people, managed by the army, built an atomic bomb in like three years

08:22:14 mircea_popescu: still with the manhattan project ?

08:22:21 mircea_popescu: you know this was a majorly discussed topic recently hiar.

08:22:23 mircea_popescu: do you ?

08:23:19 mircea_popescu: anyway : back then the most serene republica veneta was the us. much in the sense of how back then the bitcoin of the world was the usd.

08:23:40 jurov: greenspan_fan: anyway, what you suggest is *not* about building something, but the exact opposite

08:23:41 mircea_popescu: thigns have changed. we have a real republic and a real bitcoin now, which leaves the us back among its peers.

08:24:25 mircea_popescu: jurov here's the funny thing on top of it : if the us actually DID try to build something, like a superadvanced asic design ? we'd get it for free in the next leak bundle.

08:24:34 mircea_popescu: and we'd use it better than them, so overal... thanks for the fishes.

08:28:15 greenspan_fan: I'm not saying this is likely, or even permanent

08:29:12 greenspan_fan: just that my preference would be to avoid the struggle

08:32:14 mircea_popescu: why ?

08:34:13 greenspan_fan: because I value my time

08:34:43 mircea_popescu: but how else is your time to be spent ?

08:34:53 mircea_popescu: "life is on the wire. everything else's just waiting."

08:36:00 Vexual: todays fish is trout a la creme

08:36:13 greenspan_fan: I just don't really see an upside to tedious interference by lansky et. al.

08:36:43 Vexual: enjoy your meal

08:36:52 jurov: not seeing an upside is different thing than

08:36:57 jurov: "subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin"

08:38:23 greenspan_fan: by valuable aspects I meant things like consistent network performance, ease of exchange, ease of adoption

08:38:32 mircea_popescu: uh.

08:38:40 mircea_popescu: not only those aren't the valuable aspects of bitcoin

08:38:44 mircea_popescu: but it doesn't even have them.

08:38:57 greenspan_fan: (for some values of the above)

08:39:10 mircea_popescu: "the valuable aspects of icecream : warmth"

08:39:18 mircea_popescu: "for some values of warm"

08:39:27 greenspan_fan: best served at 250 kelvin

08:39:59 greenspan_fan: there are others, but those are kind of baked in

08:40:12 mircea_popescu: bitcoin has terrible overhead and it is without a doubt the klunkiest, most ineffectual way to transmit payments ever devised

08:40:16 mircea_popescu: i nthe history of mankind.

08:40:23 mircea_popescu: you think that's its main value ?!

08:40:25 jurov: lol, like some fb derp wrote just hour ago that mtgox failure is "damaging bitcoin philosophy"

08:40:32 greenspan_fan: haha

08:40:36 mircea_popescu: jurov clearly.

08:40:41 jurov: i just replied what philosphy? stfu pls

08:40:59 mircea_popescu: oppressor.

08:41:07 Vexual: satoshi designed it that gox might imrove the philosophy

08:41:07 greenspan_fan: no, I think it's actually really elegant

08:41:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06398999 = 0.256 BTC [+] {2}

08:41:20 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan sure, it is really elegant, but not for those reasons.

08:42:03 greenspan_fan: "get off my wall with your cis-decafe-non-mtgox privilege"

08:42:41 Vexual: whats that when its a sentence?

08:42:56 greenspan_fan: 10-to-life for hate crimes?

08:43:41 Vexual: oh

08:44:20 mircea_popescu: o look who's here.

08:44:25 greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu as a means of exchange, all those things are valuable though, and most easily attacked

08:44:52 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you have any kids ?

08:45:32 greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu nope, why?

08:45:35 davout: bitcoin. stahp.

08:45:50 mircea_popescu: well, most parents have this experience. whereby angry 5 yo threatens to hold his breath to death.

08:46:02 mircea_popescu: first timers get really panicked about it.

08:46:16 mircea_popescu: sane people couldn't care less. when kid's had enough holding his breath he'll give up on it.

08:49:54 Vexual: how long has facebook been a thing?

08:50:02 mircea_popescu: ~5 years.

08:50:05 greenspan_fan: since 2005 or so, I think

08:51:10 greenspan_fan: Feb 4, 2004

08:51:14 greenspan_fan: jesus

08:51:49 mircea_popescu: when it was started != when it was a thing

08:52:18 Vexual: i wonder how many humans it has created

08:52:55 greenspan_fan: I am going to say, at least 500 million

08:53:05 greenspan_fan: most of those were immediately pre-ipo

08:53:11 Vexual: i mean random dads

08:54:11 Vexual: it aint 500m

08:54:14 greenspan_fan: I wonder if they've modelled that internally?

08:54:29 greenspan_fan: I was thinking more "users" to inflate their statistics

08:56:19 mircea_popescu: was geared towards college kids originally, so prolly plenty.

08:56:28 Vexual: either way its prolly closer to 500m than 0 in a sense

09:04:05 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGAtHc_e_0

09:04:55 Vexual: no more factories, but heres a tablet app

09:07:45 KRS-One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDYGlDV4ldo

09:09:11 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Women_working_at_Douglas_Aircraft.jpg

09:09:15 mircea_popescu: gotta love 1940s jean cut.

09:11:21 Vexual: worldpop was smaller then mircea, it's all skinny jeans now

09:12:11 mircea_popescu: skinny jeans are okay, but not really for everyone.

09:12:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16724 @ 0.00088092 = 14.7325 BTC [+] {3}

09:16:04 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH6ZRJlTsDY

09:16:56 Vexual: i ypothesise that you can't put too many ants into a colony, something normal will happen

09:17:28 Vexual: hormones and all

09:22:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00469998 = 0.1457 BTC [+] {2}

09:23:12 Vexual: just liek these gox protesters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG4S4NpdJug

09:24:08 KRS-One: That was a kind of famous picture mircea_popescu

09:24:39 Vexual: whats that?

09:24:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1794 @ 0.00087916 = 1.5772 BTC [-]

09:25:06 Vexual: riviting aircarft?

09:25:16 KRS-One: yes

09:25:22 *: KRS-One away Zzzzzzzzz

09:26:24 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

09:35:22 Vexual: hey bugpowder, do yo uthink you can sell fireants with double testosterone to the ethical standards comitte?

09:36:23 mircea_popescu: yeah it was.

09:43:43 Duffer1: has there been any b-a discussion of kurzweil or singularity?

09:44:01 Duffer1: or fraudsters?

09:48:20 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 207 @ 0.0021795 = 0.4512 BTC [-]

09:50:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 789 @ 0.00018902 = 0.1491 BTC [-] {3}

09:50:23 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.0021795 = 0.9808 BTC [-]

09:58:46 mircea_popescu: on fraudsters some.

09:59:41 Duffer1: i have been unable to locate such

10:00:11 mircea_popescu: soo ukraine just defaulted ?

10:00:54 jurov: where?

10:02:19 mircea_popescu: word around the campfire.

10:02:49 mircea_popescu: there's a coupla bn in 2015 notes that are being written off.

10:03:22 *: jurov starts filling all available contaainers with natural gas

10:04:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 650 @ 0.00018 = 0.117 BTC [-] {3}

10:08:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00017504 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {6}

10:10:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 916 @ 0.000175 = 0.1603 BTC [-]

10:16:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1172 @ 0.00017002 = 0.1993 BTC [-] {5}

10:18:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00087916 = 2.7254 BTC [-]

10:20:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [-]

10:21:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+]

10:22:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5381 @ 0.00088144 = 4.743 BTC [+]

10:22:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00469994 = 0.4935 BTC [-] {4}

10:23:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00017 = 0.17 BTC [-] {4}

10:24:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+]

10:27:23 mircea_popescu: jurov re blinding : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKp67SrSLlM

10:33:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8145 @ 0.0008759 = 7.1342 BTC [-] {2}

10:50:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07000005 = 1.47 BTC [-] {2}

10:54:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0047 = 0.2397 BTC [+]

10:56:36 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

10:56:37 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.0, Best ask: 575.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 576.99, 24 hour volume: 39740.40054212, 24 hour low: 530.01, 24 hour high: 604.5, 24 hour vwap: 571.791472504

11:00:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0047 = 0.423 BTC [+]

11:01:11 Mallstromm: ;;market sell 40000

11:01:12 gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 40000 bitcoins right now would net 13173637.7416 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 329.3409 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0292 seconds

11:01:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00088516 = 11.5956 BTC [+] {2}

11:10:25 BingoBoingo: ;;lasers

11:10:26 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

11:25:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48100101 = 1.924 BTC [-]

11:26:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481001 BTC [-]

11:37:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.48015143 = 3.3611 BTC [-] {2}

11:50:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00087782 = 11.8453 BTC [-] {2}

11:52:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3056 @ 0.00087576 = 2.6763 BTC [-]

12:08:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2553 @ 0.00087712 = 2.2393 BTC [+]

12:21:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1631 @ 0.00087524 = 1.4275 BTC [-]

12:33:11 KRS-One: <cokea> I AM SENDING 5000 EUROS TO MTGOX LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

12:33:18 ThickAsThieves: http://bitnode.io provides public & private p2pool nodes. 0% fee on public nodes. private nodes on inquiry. private nodes and altcoin nodes coming soon

12:34:07 KRS-One: He should just send the 5000 euros to me, at least I'll send him an autographed nudic pic back for his troubles.

12:34:42 KRS-One: ;;seen ozbot

12:34:42 gribble: ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <ozbot> Ken Shirriff's blog: How Hacker News ranking really works: scoring, controversy, and penalties

12:34:57 KRS-One: why

13:00:15 ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHVWegNfQl0#t=54

13:02:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4783 @ 0.00087278 = 4.1745 BTC [-]

13:07:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06200001 = 0.124 BTC [-]

13:15:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0029 = 1.45 BTC [-] {2}

13:19:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.061 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2}

13:20:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00087204 = 0.872 BTC [-]

13:32:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14189 @ 0.00087398 = 12.4009 BTC [+] {2}

13:33:57 ThickAsThieves: ticks are so nasty

13:36:53 ThickAsThieves: gmaxwell: wumpus: yea, I understand they had timed automatic reissues... :( this was also something I didn't know prior to monday before last and is one of the other reasons my "they couldn't have lost much!" position softened to "I have no freeking clue."

13:38:20 ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell bugpowder http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2014#521580

13:38:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:39:51 ThickAsThieves: from: http://pastebin.com/DaSph9uT

13:42:37 Mallstromm: ThickAsThieves : old news

13:46:36 ThickAsThieves: old news in this chan?

13:46:42 ThickAsThieves: if so sry

13:47:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]

13:50:32 davout: http://blog.bitcoin-central.net/2014/02/19/the-cloudflare-mitm/

13:51:23 davout: where is ozbot?

13:55:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10706 @ 0.00087537 = 9.3717 BTC [+] {2}

13:56:30 random_cat: .bait

13:56:46 jurov: davout so what do you use?

13:57:26 davout: jurov: i'm used to ozbot fetching the <title>, doesn't really matter :-)

13:57:49 jurov: no i mean instead fo cloudflare

14:03:21 davout: jurov: nothing

14:03:32 davout: i'll have to eventually figure something out

14:04:15 davout: last time i got DDoS'd i set up a different IP, and sent it to customers that asked for it

14:04:34 davout: i think an e-mail MPEX-like API would be good

14:05:08 davout: i don't have a definitive answer

14:05:43 davout: maybe i'll end up using them if i can make sure nothing sensitive goes thru

14:06:07 davout: imma replace bitcoin addresses displayed on the website by gpg-signed e-mail receipts for example

14:07:06 jurov: you can show gpg signed output in browser, too

14:07:23 jurov: pity there isn't a plugin that can verify it, tho

14:08:14 jurov: triyng to develop it would prolly be best way to let nsa goons to identify themselves :D

14:09:39 jurov: https://webpg.org/?view=downloads#ext-firefox hmmm but there is something

14:13:32 jurov: if it is sound project, maybe everyone at #assets can push it for their projects

14:15:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [+]

14:16:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06362249 = 0.2545 BTC [+] {2}

14:16:55 ThickAsThieves: interesting

14:17:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06399999 = 0.128 BTC [+]

14:19:40 davout: jurov: the problem with showing the GPG data in browser is that said data would be generated asynchronously

14:20:34 jurov: you need to generate deposit addy asynchronously?

14:23:38 davout: the GPG-signature and address generation can't happen on the web facing servers

14:24:03 davout: that protects you against a compromised server too

14:24:27 davout: because if you work from the assumption that no frontend/app server will ever be compromised you're in for a world of pain

14:25:06 davout: the best way to design security is IMHO to consider that you're already compromised, at least to some extent

14:26:52 jurov: it can still happen elsewhere

14:28:59 jurov: asynchronicity by itself will not help you against frontend compromise

14:32:48 davout: asynchronicity is merely a consequence of "the frontend doesn't know shit about where the sensitive server is"

14:42:07 jurov: i don't think it's absolutely necessary consequence

14:42:17 jurov: it's sufficient if the sensitive server has minimal interface exposed to frontend and does not implicitly trust it

14:42:50 jurov: it cen even be behind proxies like mpex does and still can be pretty responsive

14:45:08 jurov: but what i want to discuss, if we all can force users to install gpg browser plugin

14:45:45 asciilifeform: gpg running automatically in a browser (or elsewhere) is questionable wisdom.

14:45:45 jurov: and use it to auth to the service and verify sensitive data it got back

14:46:15 jurov: i don't believe anything more is achievable while providing srvice to chumps

14:46:18 asciilifeform: verify, ok. sign/decrypt without human trigger pull - no thanks

14:46:41 jurov: they can then easily migrate to using cardano

14:47:59 asciilifeform: jurov: one of the reasons why cardano is that the host machine does not automatically know that a cryptographic widget, as such, is plugged in.

14:48:07 asciilifeform: only the human knows

14:48:26 asciilifeform: a dedicated piece of soft for talking to cardano defeats this purpose.

14:48:50 asciilifeform: and creates an easy target

14:50:41 jurov: all that is actually needed is to have ability to save to file/load from file

14:50:48 asciilifeform: yes

14:51:08 asciilifeform: but consider the question of whether an attacker can automatically determine that cardano is present and in use.

14:51:33 asciilifeform: if you have any dedicated software component on the pc end (e.g. browser plugin), it is a target.

14:51:53 asciilifeform: if, on the other hand, you merely move files onto and out of a usb drive...

14:51:59 davout: asciilifeform: how is 'put file on usb device, check for encrypted file magically appearing' not possible ??

14:52:13 asciilifeform: davout: because it doesn't appear until the trigger is pulled

14:52:20 davout: aaah

14:52:21 davout: smart

14:52:34 davout: automation is overrated

14:52:55 asciilifeform: soviet nuke subs, it is said, have manually-cranked reactor controls.

14:53:06 davout: well then the attack becomes more complex

14:53:12 davout: think its still feasible tho

14:53:17 davout: put file on usb dev

14:53:19 davout: wait

14:53:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07147981 = 0.5004 BTC [+] {3}

14:53:31 davout: if at some point encrypted copy appears, user pulled the trigger

14:53:33 asciilifeform: not that a human, driving a pwned machine remotely, will remain permanently unaware that the victim owns a cardano

14:53:44 davout: however the attack is easily detectable in taht case

14:53:54 davout: yeah

14:54:00 asciilifeform: but an automatic diddler is faced with a considerably-harder problem.

14:54:14 davout: true

14:54:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07147989 = 0.2144 BTC [+]

14:55:05 jurov: how would cardano be hidden from someone watching my desktop?

14:55:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07147999 = 0.7863 BTC [+] {2}

14:55:30 asciilifeform: jurov: once again, a human watching, if he has a brain, may eventually figure it out

14:55:52 asciilifeform: but, unlike the case of a dedicated app, there is no simple mechanical test.

14:56:36 MisterE: http://winkdex.com/#/

14:58:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13926 @ 0.00087097 = 12.1291 BTC [-] {3}

15:00:41 jurov: but i did not mean the gpg plugin to ask cardano to encrypt/sign automatically

15:01:26 asciilifeform: jurov: ideally, there would be nothing on the pc that suggests ownership of a cardano.

15:01:29 asciilifeform: at all.

15:03:03 jurov: then you want completely sterile machine that's booted every time from image, anyway

15:03:28 asciilifeform: jurov: for some applications, this makes sense.

15:12:17 davout: IBM was right, it's better manually

15:16:30 kakobrekla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrxPuk0JefA

15:20:43 mike_c: mircea_popescu: i don't know what the discrepency is, but my logs disagree with that. Like I am seeing that Jan. 25th and Jan. 28th were basically down all day and I just got stock bid/asks from the market depth feed. who knows. i'll look for bugs in my poller sometime.

15:21:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00087004 = 4.1762 BTC [-] {2}

15:24:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0714 = 0.1428 BTC [-]

15:34:41 davout: kakobrekla: haha incredible

15:34:54 davout: (i'm so fucking scared now to say the ama zing word)

15:35:21 davout: i can't believe it's not some sort of clever gopro ad

15:35:31 pankkake: amazing

15:35:35 davout: nooooooo

15:35:51 davout: oh wait, it is a clever go pro ad

15:38:40 Jere_Jones: http://fraudsters.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/

15:38:49 Jere_Jones: Damn, that was hard to find.

15:39:44 davout: ;;google cardano snsa

15:39:45 gribble: S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe fraudsters - Un blog de ...: http://fraudsters.com/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements; S.NSA, January 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/snsa-january-2014-statement/; S.NSA pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/snsa/

15:40:50 Jere_Jones: Yeah. I didn't know the snsa part. :)

15:44:00 davout: :-)

15:45:31 Jere_Jones: Now maybe I can re-read the earlier discussion and it will make more sense.

15:47:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086986 = 4.6538 BTC [-]

15:54:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000175 = 0.175 BTC [-] {2}

15:58:16 davout: kakobrekla: where's the bitbet on mtgox's solvency ?

15:58:45 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/

16:00:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2}

16:00:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.101005 = 0.202 BTC [+] {2}

16:00:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}

16:00:49 davout: ty

16:13:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]

16:21:43 diametric: http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/

16:21:53 diametric: thats gonna sting

16:24:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087213 = 3.8723 BTC [+]

16:28:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00087105 = 9.3638 BTC [-]

16:28:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00299997 = 0.171 BTC [+]

16:30:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00299998 = 0.12 BTC [+]

16:37:57 the20year2: The contract was accepted completely on the 2 houses on 1 lot :)

16:50:46 BingoBoingo: Sweet, Serena Williams lost, so I made money.

16:59:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.95323557 BTC to 2`431 shares, 80347 satoshi per share

17:01:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00087219 = 7.7625 BTC [+] {3}

17:03:12 TomServo: .d

17:03:21 TomServo: Oh yeah. No ozzy.

17:09:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

17:19:38 benkay: mornin

17:27:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.020002 = 0.2 BTC [-] {4}

17:27:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07148 = 0.2144 BTC [+]

17:43:46 asciilifeform: from btce russian trollbox: '[gox] will end up like soviet gensec: after prolonged illness, perished unexpectedly...'

17:44:50 pankkake: can russians still use btc-e?

17:45:00 pankkake: or any exchange

17:49:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.090005 = 0.36 BTC [-] {3}

17:51:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00087093 = 1.7419 BTC [-]

17:53:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00450016 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2}

17:54:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]

17:54:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

17:55:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2}

18:01:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00087029 = 7.441 BTC [-] {2}

18:05:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]

18:05:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

18:09:00 benkay: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1b9iyl/my_friend_foolishly_let_me_ssh_into_his_account/c95chhf

18:10:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00449094 = 0.1886 BTC [-] {3}

18:11:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00430232 = 0.185 BTC [-] {2}

18:13:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00086941 = 10.0417 BTC [-] {2}

18:19:34 nubbins`: tourette hooker neighbour is locked out of house

18:19:42 nubbins`: idly considering calling police to report break-in in progress

18:22:44 ThickAsThieves: lol

18:22:59 ThickAsThieves: what is it with women not saying what theu mean all the time

18:29:06 benkay: do it nubbins`

18:30:04 ThickAsThieves: "i was going to ask you to write a check for the floor guy, but he's leaving now" "ok, but he's here now, i can write a check now, right?" "he's leaving now" "so write a check for him now?" "yes, that's what i said."

18:30:39 ThickAsThieves: pretty much all wife-to-husband communication

18:33:31 mike_c: hah. i have had that exact conversation recently.

18:34:06 *: benkay gives ThickAsThieves a katana. it is enchanted +5 specifically for cutting through female chatter.

18:35:10 ThickAsThieves: it works in reverse too, like when you say something that's seems painfully clear, it gets interpreted as the much less likely but arguable possible version

18:35:24 ThickAsThieves: arguably*

18:36:42 ThickAsThieves: "I don't want french fries." "Oh you already ate?"

18:36:45 ThickAsThieves: and such

18:38:01 ThickAsThieves: everything must mean something more, i guess

18:38:36 benkay: if you let it

18:38:37 benkay: "dear, the simplest interpretation is the one you're looking for."

18:39:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [-]

18:40:38 benkay: no, i just don't want any french fries.

18:41:12 benkay: vigilance against being disposed of?

18:41:12 ThickAsThieves: but are you hungry?!

18:41:25 ThickAsThieves: hehe

18:43:46 benkay: ;;calc 40*4/2

18:43:46 gribble: 80

18:43:49 benkay: 80

18:44:14 nubbins`: dealing with this client who runs a hot yoga studio

18:44:30 nubbins`: she said she'd be by last night at 7:30 to pick up her order

18:44:53 nubbins`: i waited til 9:45, unil "sorry i forgot!"

18:45:17 nubbins`: today: "i'll pick them up at 2pm". 2:45: "i'll be there soon." 3:00: "can i pick them up at 4?"

18:45:39 ThickAsThieves: "you can pick them up whenever i'm here"

18:45:41 nubbins`: because hey, everyone is a robot but her and she's the only person whose time is valuable

18:46:00 nubbins`: if she's not here by 4:00pm exactly, i am literally not answering the door when she arrives

18:46:09 ThickAsThieves: at some point i stopped allowing pickups

18:46:12 nubbins`: nod

18:46:22 ThickAsThieves: all prices included shipping costs

18:46:26 ThickAsThieves: FREE shipping!

18:46:30 nubbins`: heh

18:47:27 nubbins`: she wanted organic racerback-style tank tops. such a thing does not exist. the closest we could find was tanks with 6.25% organic cotton

18:47:53 nubbins`: so instead of getting regular cotton tanks shipped from the next province over, we order 6.25% organic tanks shipped from the exact opposide end of the continent

18:47:57 nubbins`: because, y'know, eco-friendly

18:48:20 nubbins`: idly considered buying regular cotton tank tops and sewing a 1" organic cotton seam on the bottom

18:48:30 nubbins`: round it up to an even 10% organic

18:49:01 nubbins`: honestly, given the choice between being "eco-friendly" and giving the appearance of it while being the opposite

18:49:11 nubbins`: people almost invariably choose the appearance

18:49:16 ThickAsThieves: just rip all tags out always and imprint your own branding

18:49:23 ThickAsThieves: builds customer "loyalty"

18:49:35 nubbins`: have idly considered this, but sizing

18:49:51 nubbins`: next thing you've got 4 screens, one for each size S-XL

18:50:45 nubbins`: might do it anyway tho, we use these nice shirts now that have easy-tear tags

18:51:35 ThickAsThieves: is tagging legally required at all?

18:51:49 ThickAsThieves: i suppose people have allergies?

18:52:12 nubbins`: country of origin and care instructions are mandatory

18:52:24 nubbins`: not sure about materials, but probably

18:52:39 nubbins`: some brands have two tags: a brand tag and a care/materials tag

19:08:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4360 @ 0.00087314 = 3.8069 BTC [+]

19:12:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00087396 = 12.4102 BTC [+]

19:15:59 kakobrekla: http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/styles/thumbnail_w530/public/slike/2014-02-21-napihovanje-temelji-juna%C5%A1kih-src-slovenskih-olimpijcev-24165.jpg?itok=I8pyq9aF

19:16:17 kakobrekla: is true.

19:26:51 nubbins`: she showed up with SIX MINUTES to spare

19:26:58 nubbins`: and of course she arrived in a smart car

19:27:06 nubbins`: groan

19:27:37 dub: is she fat?

19:28:21 nubbins`: no, she runs a yoga studio

19:29:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2827 @ 0.00087235 = 2.4661 BTC [-] {2}

19:30:20 dub: both yoga instructors I've had were a bit chunky, havent done bikram though

19:32:26 kakobrekla: did you do yoga or did you do the instructors?

19:32:50 dub: the yoga

19:35:56 greenspan_fan: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/harvard-supercomputing-cluster-hijacked-to-produce-alt-cryptocurrency/

19:35:57 dub: i did an aerobics instructor if that helps

19:36:13 nubbins`: helps what? :D

19:38:33 KRS-One: she must have had a nice bod

19:38:42 KRS-One: ;;seen ozbot

19:39:05 greenspan_fan: it's funny, because I was thinking of using a supercomputer to mine dogecoin, but decided not to because the idea was idiotic on many levels

19:39:25 asciilifeform: botnet is cheaper

19:39:30 KRS-One: When the hell is he getting back here with my porn

19:39:30 asciilifeform: and expandable.

19:39:59 greenspan_fan: but I don't have l33t hacker skillz

19:40:15 KRS-One: all u have to do is write some gay malware

19:40:38 greenspan_fan: It's not for me. I've seen that movie w/ keanu reeves. I don't even know kung fu.

19:40:56 asciilifeform: most crapnet artists have no l33t sk1llz

19:41:12 asciilifeform: they just buy a ride from professional spammers

19:41:50 greenspan_fan: enh. just doesn't seem like a good thing to get involved with

19:42:19 asciilifeform: neither is mooching cpu cycles from employer

19:42:31 greenspan_fan: who said I'm employed?

19:42:44 asciilifeform: well, from whoever

19:43:07 asciilifeform: but if you're hijacking something, why not a supercomputer. 'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb.'

19:43:39 greenspan_fan: I think it would be a good story to tell in prison

19:43:48 asciilifeform: 'whatcha in for? doge'

19:44:01 greenspan_fan: "wow"

19:44:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00086936 = 9.7368 BTC [-]

19:44:54 nubbins`: such time

19:44:56 nubbins`: many soap

19:46:15 asciilifeform: several places have massive fpga clusters, hijack those.

19:46:22 asciilifeform: not intel crap

19:46:34 nubbins`: fuck that, hijack a train

19:55:23 greenspan_fan: interestingly, you might be able to hijack a shipment of fpgas or asics, which would make for the nerdiest heist movie in history

19:56:52 twizt: eh

19:56:59 AndrewWhatsUpppp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tONLDwGK1Qc

19:57:05 jborkl: Anyone want to buy Google Glass for BTC- I have not ordered them yet so you can pick out color style

19:57:49 twizt: when u want something done u gotta do it urself -_-

20:09:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00086936 = 2.8689 BTC [-]

20:15:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48143704 = 1.4443 BTC [+] {3}

20:19:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19770 @ 0.00086934 = 17.1869 BTC [-] {2}

20:28:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1023 = 0.2046 BTC [+] {2}

20:28:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

20:40:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.0034 = 0.34 BTC [+]

20:49:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0625 = 0.25 BTC [+] {4}

20:49:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10136666 = 0.3041 BTC [-] {3}

20:49:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] {3}

20:49:47 ThickAsThieves: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/21/280730201/enterprising-girl-scout-sells-cookies-outside-marijuana-clinic?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook

21:00:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00086801 = 5.9893 BTC [-] {2}

21:06:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00086795 = 5.0341 BTC [-]

21:14:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10239999 BTC [+]

21:22:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC

21:25:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08499999 = 0.85 BTC [-] {2}

21:30:53 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/teksavvy-ordered-to-id-alleged-movie-downloaders-1.2546477

21:31:12 nubbins`: "[Judge] Aalto ordered that before Voltage can send a letter to the alleged downloaders, it must return to court to get the wording of its communications cleared by a case management judge."

21:31:34 nubbins`: "In order to ensure there is no inappropriate language in any demand letter sent to the alleged infringers, the draft demand letter will be provided to the court for review," Aalto wrote. "Any correspondence sent by Voltage to any subscriber shall clearly state in bold type that no court has yet made a determination that such subscriber has infringed or is liable in any way for payment of damages."

21:34:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07148 = 3.0736 BTC [+]

21:35:48 ll_: hopefully that will slow infringement trolling in .ca

21:36:50 mike_c: paging eulora support. any suggestions on investigating seg fault on launch? http://pastebin.com/pr0rpyfp

21:38:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2169 @ 0.00017301 = 0.3753 BTC [-]

21:41:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1024 = 0.2048 BTC [+] {2}

21:41:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

21:42:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1024 BTC [+]

21:42:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

21:46:19 mike_c: nubbins` did you ever get this thing building/running?

21:50:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00086904 = 20.6397 BTC [+] {2}

21:50:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC

21:51:27 nubbins`: mike_c: haven't had much time to look at it the past few days. having some issues getting crystalspace up and running

21:52:31 nubbins`: did you examine the xml file listed?

21:59:03 mike_c: i did. a large config file for the updater.

21:59:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086942 = 5.4773 BTC [+] {2}

22:00:19 nubbins`: wanna pastebin it?

22:00:35 mike_c: btw, i downloaded cs from bundle 1, set CRYSTAL and LD_LIBRARY_PATH env variables, and it found it

22:00:45 mike_c: obviously i don't have the game working though.

22:01:38 mike_c: i can pastebin it, but i don't believe it is modified from the download bundle (if you have that)

22:03:45 nubbins`: i'm compiling CS from the latest snapshot

22:03:50 nubbins`: not going too great so far :D

22:05:42 nubbins`: ah, that xml file is actually pretty small

22:05:55 nubbins`: yeah, not much in the way of clues there from what you've posted

22:06:47 mike_c: yeah, maybe something with the audio issues they've been having and my sound drivers

22:07:22 nubbins`: they did mention audio was borked, didn't think it was a breaking problem tho

22:07:39 mike_c: nor did i.

22:07:55 mike_c: but those DEBUG lines are supiscious

22:08:32 benkay: how ams even software, guys?

22:08:35 benkay: and ladies of course

22:16:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07234644 = 1.0852 BTC [+] {5}

22:17:05 nubbins`: benkay: barely :D

22:18:53 benkay: barely software?

22:18:56 benkay: nubbins`: ^^

22:18:58 *: nubbins` nods

22:18:59 nubbins`: D:

22:19:20 nubbins`: ...failed updating 315 target(s)... ...skipped 306 target(s)... ...updated 715 target(s)...

22:19:23 nubbins`: NOT BAD

22:20:56 benkay: many software

22:20:59 benkay: much barely

22:21:02 benkay: so deploy

22:21:06 benkay: wow

22:21:46 nubbins`: targets plz, no update

22:28:10 pankkake: http://blog.cassidiancybersecurity.com/post/2014/02/Bitcrypt-broken that's why bitcoin is down!

22:31:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00018829 = 0.2824 BTC [+] {6}

22:34:22 diametric: pankkake: https://blockchain.info/address/1HKCHx1RFhNHuF3NxLviHdrjNFzJbCTvrC

22:34:32 diametric: looks like some suckers paid up

22:36:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1029998 BTC [+]

22:54:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1300 @ 0.00017226 = 0.2239 BTC [-] {4}

22:55:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3238 @ 0.00017101 = 0.5537 BTC [-] {5}

22:56:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2040 @ 0.00017006 = 0.3469 BTC [-] {3}

22:57:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1443 @ 0.00017006 = 0.2454 BTC [-] {3}

22:58:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00017007 = 0.1546 BTC [+] {3}

23:00:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07100202 = 0.71 BTC [-] {2}

23:06:09 asciilifeform: re: ransomware: '90s virii simply formatted your disk. how exactly is this any worse?

23:06:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087023 = 7.7015 BTC [+] {2}

23:06:59 asciilifeform: esp. since it is possible to refuse VirusOS today - vs. then

23:08:36 pankkake: ;;view 19807

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23:08:42 pankkake: this is hardcore

23:09:40 asciilifeform: 426 bit rsa key, lol

23:12:34 Apocalyptic: pankkake, i've seen worse

23:12:40 Apocalyptic: 50 goxBTC for 1 BTC

23:14:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 236 @ 0.0055 = 1.298 BTC

23:16:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00086795 = 7.0304 BTC [-]

23:19:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00299999 = 0.399 BTC [+] {2}

23:24:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00086754 = 15.3555 BTC [-] {4}

23:24:44 mircea_popescu: mike_c weird, wild stuff.

23:26:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-]

23:28:29 mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu This is like saying "behind every nigger is stupidity" @ligayaya "Behind every troll is pain." Community wisdom @nrrrdcore #PassionProjects

23:28:29 mircea_popescu: @ligayaya @Mircea_Popescu @nrrrdcore actually, I don't think it is. at all.

23:28:29 mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu @ligayaya @nrrrdcore Of course you don't think so. Oppressors honestly think they're just being nice.

23:28:30 mircea_popescu: win ?

23:28:31 mircea_popescu: win.

23:30:28 mircea_popescu: mike_c i passed teh thing along.

23:30:39 mike_c: crash report? thanks.

23:32:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember Stoned B ?

23:32:12 asciilifeform: sure!

23:32:13 mircea_popescu: mike_c o no no, ty.

23:32:27 mircea_popescu: we had a number of segfaults which were ironed out, curious if yours is a new brand or some edge case.

23:32:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was such a problem where i lived by 1992ish i was able to spot it with diskedit

23:34:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1065 @ 0.00082809 = 0.8819 BTC [-]

23:36:09 mircea_popescu: jesus twitter is unbearable.

23:36:26 mircea_popescu: how did all these schmucks end up so persuaded of their own importance anyway

23:36:37 wao-ender: v0v, mp in one line with nrrrdcore

23:36:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in case you missed, beautiful turd: http://www.securelist.com/en/analysis/204792325/Absolute_Computrace_Revisited

23:36:53 mircea_popescu: wao-ender who's that, you know em ?

23:37:09 wao-ender: mircea_popescu: some lady around github

23:37:12 asciilifeform: (tldr version: 'useful' bios rootkit enabled by default on some boxes)

23:37:15 mircea_popescu: oic.

23:37:31 mircea_popescu: "This report is a return to the problem of security mechanisms implemented in modern anti-theft technologies that reside in firmware and PC BIOS of commonly used laptops and some desktop computers."

23:37:42 mircea_popescu: best abstract ever. tyvm whoever wrote this, now i know.

23:37:49 pankkake: because twitter caters to that kind of thing, everything in it prevent actual discussion

23:38:07 asciilifeform: i actually sat on a jury some years ago in a case where 'computrace' was the evidence.

23:38:12 mircea_popescu: pankkake yeah i think you may be right, there is something to this sculpting communities theory.

23:38:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06112499 = 0.2445 BTC [+] {3}

23:39:11 asciilifeform: the turd is unremarkable; quite like the usual winblows rootkit, except for the fact of 1) ships in stock bios on most x86 laptops and 2) c&c servers eschew authentication or crypto (!)

23:39:21 mircea_popescu: so has mtgox delivered asics yet ?

23:39:27 mircea_popescu: is bfl making payments ?

23:40:59 wao-ender: and nrrrdcore is part of ladies of github afaik

23:41:48 mircea_popescu: wao-ender ok but did she actually do something ?

23:42:17 mircea_popescu: or is it more like "ladies of wallstreet" consisting of the barristas and hooters waitresses ?

23:42:52 wao-ender: what I remember, she leads some groups, like ladies who codes and like that

23:43:04 pankkake: but does she code?

23:43:24 wao-ender: I had it on radar like in september or so, but I'm not that social-freak

23:43:28 mircea_popescu: "leads groups" derp

23:43:33 wao-ender: well

23:43:40 wao-ender: yeah, taking social credit for that

23:43:48 mircea_popescu: if you ask him, max keiser leads groups doing bitcoin stuff.

23:43:55 wao-ender: paying in followers on tweeters. "look what I've done"

23:44:08 mircea_popescu: is she a transsexual too ?

23:44:19 wao-ender: does she looks like that? I dont think so

23:44:24 wao-ender: but she acts like feminist for me

23:44:33 mircea_popescu: so basically a kate woods wannabe.

23:45:55 asciilifeform: who's woods?

23:46:31 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-stuple/

23:46:38 mircea_popescu: that thing.

23:46:42 asciilifeform: aha

23:48:14 asciilifeform: (no mention of anyone called woods in that piece...?)

23:53:58 pankkake: http://fraudsters.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/ perhaps

23:54:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's this craig woods character which became kate, and had been running all sorts of projects and whatnot

23:54:57 mircea_popescu: such as the one discussed there.

23:55:09 asciilifeform: wendy carlos.

23:55:12 mircea_popescu: very important leader of imaginary cavalries.

23:55:36 asciilifeform: (better example: lynne conway)

23:55:48 mircea_popescu: yes well, that'd be different

23:57:20 mircea_popescu: (l conway is actually quoted by name as the reason i can't quite declare transsexualism out of this world, in my article about transsexualism)

23:57:43 asciilifeform: interesting book on the subject - 'the man who would be queen'

23:57:49 asciilifeform: conway became the personal nemesis of the author

23:57:53 asciilifeform: (whose name escapes me)

23:57:57 mircea_popescu: but i would propose there is a difference between the people who have a problem with their gender,

23:58:03 mircea_popescu: and the people who have a problem with their fame.