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00:22:07 thestringpuller: [A[A[A[A[A[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B

00:22:29 thestringpuller: sorry about that ^^^

00:22:35 thestringpuller: shity connection

00:27:41 mike_c: !t h rent

00:27:41 assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.

00:28:05 mike_c: did i miss something? is havelock dead?

00:33:11 mod6: website looks down (for me)

00:33:22 mike_c: seems they've been having a lot of trouble lately

00:33:27 mike_c: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=64492;sa=showPosts

00:33:28 assbot: Latest posts of: havelock ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzpruR )

00:58:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7915 @ 0.00038147 = 3.0193 BTC [-]

00:59:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125185 @ 0.00038376 = 48.041 BTC [+] {2}

01:11:02 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> danielpbarron: but a random person off the street cannot enter that world simply by asking. << you know this is actually a great idea for a movie.

01:11:16 mircea_popescu: korean computer wiz kid gets into ny crime family. by asking.

01:11:20 asciilifeform: l0l

01:11:22 mircea_popescu: NOT one of the daughers in marriage tho.,

01:11:53 mircea_popescu: <NewLiberty> ^^ yes, my friend that does this has household expenses >US$50K per month. << that's a decent dozen o' slavegirls.

01:12:11 *: asciilifeform does a bit of mental arithmetic

01:12:28 asciilifeform: slave gurlz suffer from inverse economy of scale ?

01:13:28 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10419619#msg10419619 << check this out jurov

01:13:29 assbot: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5WYIJ )

01:13:31 mircea_popescu: it's a fuckin disease.

01:14:31 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you may be interested in learning that i've a bit of time just now and am experimenting with a port of linux nand driver for marvell to netbsd

01:14:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends. if you're the homebody sort, keep 2-3 girls, marked economy of scale.

01:14:50 mircea_popescu: if you're the roller type, keep numerous, market scaling of power.

01:14:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i'm not paying 4+k for 1...

01:14:59 asciilifeform: not even 400

01:15:10 mircea_popescu: some women you don't care if they spend 10k a month, because they create 1mn of value or w/e.

01:16:04 asciilifeform: 10k << lol! on what?!

01:16:15 asciilifeform: spectrometer ?

01:16:23 mircea_popescu: entertaining ?

01:16:48 mircea_popescu: 10k in the hands of a judicious woman can readily beat 1mn in lobby funds.

01:17:56 asciilifeform: aha so 10k industrial.

01:18:20 mircea_popescu: that's thje idea. if you're the sort that keeps 2-3 chicks off the street, micromanage their day, you save on the electricity bill.

01:18:39 mircea_popescu: if you're the sort that he was describing, you don't care so much what it costs, you care what it gets you.

01:19:34 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"

01:19:36 mircea_popescu: sorta thing.

01:20:47 *: asciilifeform does not live on that planet, has never visited, but believes the story

01:22:36 mircea_popescu: there's very little competent, dedicated woman can't achieve in loser society

01:22:42 mircea_popescu: (ie, the "civilised world")

01:23:27 mircea_popescu: there is that small inconvenience of how they're insistently trained not to, but nothing major.

01:24:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta appreciate that this is about as real to me as a $500M synchrophasotron. i.e., i get the basic principle involved, but have never seen with own eyes nor know in person anyone who has

01:24:20 mircea_popescu: you did see with own eyes, yes. one sec

01:24:28 *: asciilifeform guesses where

01:25:20 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kim-kardashian-butt-papermag.jpg

01:25:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZhlNj )

01:25:23 mircea_popescu: !up bitponzi

01:25:31 asciilifeform: lol!

01:25:33 asciilifeform: plastic woman ?

01:25:49 mircea_popescu: what do you think she does for a living ?

01:25:53 asciilifeform: or is that grease

01:26:02 asciilifeform: pr0n star ?

01:26:08 mircea_popescu: mnope.

01:26:27 *: asciilifeform looks up what k. was again

01:26:32 mircea_popescu: right.

01:26:39 mircea_popescu: when you find out let me know too lol.

01:26:56 mircea_popescu: same thing that dumb old bitch in florida was doing. the "nonorary assbassador"

01:27:13 asciilifeform: aha!

01:28:17 mircea_popescu: ancient story, this. what was zsa zsa gabor ?

01:28:30 mircea_popescu: "famous star, never played in a film"

01:30:18 mircea_popescu: bitponzi you're from argentina then ?

01:30:21 punkman: oh she's still alive, 98 years old

01:30:23 BingoBoingo: Kim was in the one porno

01:30:56 punkman: "When asked, "How many husbands have you had?", she was quoted as responding, "You mean other than my own?""

01:31:10 mircea_popescu: yeah, you gotta be in one. tits or gtfo is the rule.

01:36:57 decimation: NewLiberty: Under what law is this [pawn btc trade] offending?<< specifically, finra has declared that anyone who would conduct such a transaction to be a 'money transmitter' and thus would need to register with finra and the local state authorities in charge of such matters

01:37:57 decimation: I suspect most (all) pawn shops do not have such notes from stalin

01:39:09 decimation: heh was bagels giving the middle finger to mr. ddos?

01:41:17 danielpbarron: i think so

01:42:11 danielpbarron: i typed ./build.sh -U -u -m evbarm build before i started making dinner; come back and it's still going

01:43:32 mircea_popescu: http://princegermany.com/ << this is kinda lulzy btw

01:43:33 assbot: PRINCEGERMANY.COM ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZjetd )

01:43:54 mircea_popescu: (the guy fatass kim is trying to immitate, basically. paid $$ to be adopted by some ex german prince)

01:44:02 mircea_popescu: (gabor's last husband)

01:46:15 danielpbarron: there is a book named "The Happiest People on Earth" that might help explain how something like kim kardashian came to be

01:47:28 mircea_popescu: as in, a really hawt turkic chick ?

01:47:56 danielpbarron: There's also some Old Testament flavour: a prophecy prompts Shakarian's grandfather to leave Armenia for the west coast of the USA, where his son Isaac becomes an exceptionally prosperous farmer. Overlaying this is a mysterious story which even the authors call a "romance" - a tale of an illiterate Armenian prophet who received a secret message which remains sealed in an envelope until the right person comes along to open it

01:48:34 danielpbarron: some cult members in texas showed me this book; not sure how true it actually is

01:51:06 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the tools (gcc and binutils) take a while

01:51:12 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: but kernel doesn't

01:51:24 decimation: !up fuddos

01:51:40 fuddos: there are a few ntp reflections

01:51:56 danielpbarron: yeah i did the kernel already

01:51:56 mircea_popescu: !up fuddos

01:52:05 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, which step didn't work for you?

01:52:17 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it isn't one of the steps at all

01:52:29 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: there is no built-in means of making small ramdisks

01:52:39 asciilifeform: and the method described in available literature doesn't work

01:53:02 fuddos: gonna try again

01:53:17 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2015#1015352

01:53:17 assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 22:36:45; asciilifeform: let's do a 'trichotomy' on the netbsd thing. as far as i can see, there are three and only three possibilities in a case like this (i am deliberately not including the forth, of my being a muppet.) 1) whole orchestra -never- worked 2) once worked, but a sniveling shitgnome fucked with the docs 3) docs were once correct and described a working sys, but a sniveling shitgnome changed the code 'because pr

01:56:54 danielpbarron: did anyone else notice that the .bitcoin datadir recently became too large to tar -czf ? or is it just me?

01:57:20 decimation: !up fuddos

01:57:25 punkman: mircea_popescu: (the guy fatass kim is trying to immitate, basically. paid $$ to be adopted by some ex german prince) << lol! Prince Frederic (Gabor's current husband) paid some old lady to adopt him too, rest of family doesn't recognize him.

01:57:36 fuddos: It looks like amazon blocks at least some of the ntp udp spam

01:57:38 mircea_popescu: myep.

01:58:01 fuddos: and it appears to block nearly all of the upnp spam

01:58:17 mircea_popescu: it's really not hard to block. but domestic isps = blockheads.

01:58:46 punkman: this illegitimate princehood is gonna end up living longer than the real thing isn't it? every derp will adopt another derp and so on

01:59:09 mircea_popescu: punkman if i cared i'd point out that i went through the guy's chicks pics, nothing impressing in there. if asciilifeform were emotionally involved in the markus prince he'd say that's obviously because he's keeping the good photos secret.

01:59:30 mircea_popescu: you can't be a german prince anyway, their socialistoid government transformed them into names.

01:59:51 mircea_popescu: for 50 bucks you can go to vegas and change your name to Prince Pizda or w/e.

01:59:55 decimation: you might have a fancy name

02:00:54 punkman: "Prinz von Anhalt has adopted several men" oh he's made a business of it

02:01:52 decimation: it seems that if you claimed to be a german prince today you would have a mob of kids appear. They would loudly explain why they aren't going to have sex with you, play golf against you, and then exhibit hate for you in the form of a interpretive dance

02:03:07 mircea_popescu: lol pretty much

02:03:10 fuddos: it looks like the ddos bot spams on 1 minute intervals

02:03:35 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Ah6-tg-SA << romanian version.

02:03:37 assbot: Fizz-daca nu fizz atunci cine? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQL84F )

02:06:45 fuddos: sorry I had ntp running, disregard the earlier statement

02:13:05 mircea_popescu: "On 25 July 2007, Prinz von Anhalt was allegedly approached by three women he described as attractive while sitting in his Rolls-Royce in Southern California. They asked him to pose for pictures with them, at which point one of the women robbed him at gunpoint, taking his car keys, jewelry, wallet, driver's license and all his clothes. According to Prinz von Anhalt, his assailants bound him and placed him in handcuffs,

02:13:05 mircea_popescu: yet he managed to call the authorities on a cellular phone. Los Angeles police found him completely naked approximately one hour later. No handcuffs were found at the scene. The culprits apparently drove away in a Chrysler convertible."

02:13:07 mircea_popescu: epic.

02:15:16 mircea_popescu: On 20 October 2010 von Anhalt was taken to the hospital after swallowing a bee, which then stung him in the throat. On 22 December 2010 von Anhalt was rushed to the hospital after gluing his eye shut with nail glue.

02:15:26 mircea_popescu: this guy should be in finance.

02:24:42 danielpbarron: neato, build finished

02:25:09 danielpbarron: the guide i'm using is not correct, but i got it anyway

02:33:04 asciilifeform: build << of what ?

02:35:17 danielpbarron: the userland

02:35:28 danielpbarron: not the ramdisk

02:35:31 asciilifeform: aha

02:35:33 asciilifeform: userland - easy

02:35:50 danielpbarron: well it's still exciting for me when an hours long compile succeeds

02:43:24 decimation: !up fuddos

02:43:54 fuddos: sorry for the connect spam. It looks like the ddos bot is either inactive, amazon filters, or it filters amazon

03:03:02 jurov: http://hpmor.com/chapter/108 geee. so apparently voldemort became voldemort...to kill out idiots!

03:03:03 assbot: Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, Chapter 108: The Truth, Pt 5, Answers and Riddles ... ( http://bit.ly/1z64djP )

03:03:29 *: asciilifeform was waiting for that thing to pop up here

03:03:42 asciilifeform: we did discuss the author on at least one occasion

03:04:18 *: asciilifeform has him mentally -10 wot for many, many years now

03:05:56 jurov: yea i remember that well

03:06:13 decimation: asciilifeform: rowling?

03:06:18 asciilifeform: nope

03:06:21 asciilifeform: it's a riff

03:06:24 asciilifeform: on the original

03:06:31 asciilifeform: (which i also never got around to reading)

03:06:38 decimation: is this better or worse than the 'riff' featuring the woodchipper?

03:06:43 asciilifeform: based very loosely

03:07:13 decimation: I read most of the books. my conclusion is that rowling got 'lucky'

03:07:36 asciilifeform: anyway 'methods of rationality' is by a fella called yudkowsky

03:08:06 asciilifeform: (whozzat? see log.)

03:08:41 decimation: lol yudkowsky wrote a harry potter fan book

03:08:51 asciilifeform: possibly his best known work.

03:08:54 asciilifeform: by a very long shot

03:09:29 *: decimation learns a fact about silly-con valley, only to find it is even *more* true than he thought

03:09:38 punkman: chapter 108? last time I looked at it was like 50

03:09:45 danielpbarron: i made a rootfs_ramdisk.img but i'm pretty sure it isn't ready due to some confusion over what needs to be done with /dev/ and also there were other files mentioned in the guide that i could not find in my result

03:10:02 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you're very nearly at the part that catastrophically fails

03:17:49 jurov: !up arvicco

03:19:56 danielpbarron: mdsetimage: could not find symbols in netbsd

03:20:08 asciilifeform: ding ding ding

03:20:11 asciilifeform: there we go

03:20:53 danielpbarron: well that elimates possibility number 4, and introduced number 5 (that we are in cahoots)

03:29:27 mats: http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/megasahd-the-lack-of-gentle-platonic-touch-in-mens-lives-is-a-killer kek

03:29:28 assbot: The Lack of Gentle Platonic Touch in Men's Lives is a Killer - ... ( http://bit.ly/1z66204 )

03:32:07 trinque: #touchislife

03:33:02 trinque: sounds like that guy needs a professional cuddler http://cuddleuptome.com/

03:33:04 assbot: Cuddle Up To Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHVb2m )

03:52:46 mats: http://www.slideshare.net/amiable_indian/unusual-bugs

03:52:49 assbot: Unusual Bugs ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHWoGZ )

03:57:01 decimation: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11424238/Britain-cannot-defend-itself-against-Putins-military-might-top-brass-warn.html "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11424238/Britain-cannot-defend-itself-against-Putins-military-might-top-brass-warn.html"

03:57:04 assbot: Britain cannot defend itself against Putin's military might, top brass warn - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1z67UGb )

03:57:09 decimation: doh "As two RAF Typhoon fighters were scrambled on Wednesday evening to escort Russian long range bombers flying off Cornwall, military chiefs said that the UK “could not cope” with an all-out attack as our defences have been “decimated”. "

03:58:50 asciilifeform: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/media/11426319/Times-publisher-News-UK-launches-internal-investigation-after-suicides-of-two-members-of-its-commercial-staff.html << from the tales of the nailgun squadron

03:58:51 assbot: Times publisher, News UK, launches internal investigation after suicides of two members of its commercial staff - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1z684NE )

03:59:19 decimation: maybe it's depressing - working in london

04:03:04 decimation: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/europa/putin-veraergert-eu-droht-mit-sanktionen-13440150.html

04:03:04 assbot: Putin verärgert - EU droht mit Sanktionen ... ( http://bit.ly/1z68nIx )

04:04:09 decimation: "„Es wird diesem Land nicht einfach gemacht, seinen Weg in Freiheit und Selbstbestimmtheit zu finden.“ Der Prozess bleibe schwierig." < It is not easy for this country [ukraine] to find its way to freedom and self determination" [Merkel] said

04:04:21 decimation: apparently she's starting to equivocate...

04:04:33 mircea_popescu: <decimation> doh "As two RAF Typhoon <<< news to exactly no-one

04:04:45 asciilifeform: 'airstrip one'

04:04:50 decimation: aye

04:04:53 asciilifeform: it's just for usaf to land & refuel on

04:04:53 decimation: not least to the russians

04:04:56 mircea_popescu: and london sucks in a way that can't be described.

04:05:06 asciilifeform: london sucked in 1700

04:05:13 mircea_popescu: nothing changed.

04:05:15 decimation: the russians apparently toy with the yuropeans like a kitty toys with a fish

04:05:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unfortunately, the us response in ukr is proportionately larger than the us response would be in england, for the sameactivity.

04:05:56 decimation: each one of those tu-95's can carry cruise missiles that can individually fly 600 km, so these missions are merely propaganda runs

04:06:01 mircea_popescu: us is like the sniper : has one good shot. if he misses that one, or if you get in range... dead.

04:06:36 asciilifeform: against defenseless folks, sniper has as many shots as are in his horn

04:07:05 mircea_popescu: not the case here.

04:07:33 mircea_popescu: for one thing, the horn holds pretty much a shot. for the other, ru actually has air superiority since about 2013.

04:08:11 decimation: well, it remains to be seen what the tu-95's would do if they were 'fired in anger'

04:08:19 asciilifeform: wake me up when ru has not-running-winblows superiority

04:08:21 decimation: they would probably not derp around in enemy airspace

04:09:15 mircea_popescu: arbitrary fence is arbitrary.

04:10:43 decimation: I seriously doubt the us would be unable to defend its airspace

04:11:02 decimation: but it is probably also the case that ru could inflict serious damage

04:11:24 mircea_popescu: "defend its airspace" is irrelevant here. the us is unable to project.

04:11:33 mircea_popescu: anyone can defend, these days, because of rocketry.

04:11:54 mircea_popescu: and there's nothing wrong with that.

04:11:59 decimation: agreed, that's another matter

04:12:32 mircea_popescu: heck, even the ukrs can defend their airspace from commercial airliners

04:12:38 decimation: actually usg has also tacitly admitted that its submarines are becoming useless http://nationalinterest.org/feature/are-submarines-about-become-obsolete-12253

04:12:39 assbot: Are Submarines About to Become Obsolete? | The National Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1z68UKz )

04:13:42 mats: i find that dubious

04:13:51 mircea_popescu: well, it makes little sense to keep a nuclear sub and a carrier these days

04:13:56 mircea_popescu: as they do essentially the same things.

04:14:07 mircea_popescu: face the same risk profiles etc.

04:15:05 mats: i imagine its easier to defend a sub rather than a carrier

04:15:14 decimation: mats: you are probably right on that one

04:15:22 asciilifeform: a bit hard to take off a jet from sub

04:15:35 decimation: the paper in question seems to imply it's mainly a matter of what happens when the sub gets too close to shore

04:15:58 mircea_popescu: mats why ?

04:16:41 decimation: asciilifeform: "A new approach to offensive undersea operations. Manned submarines will likely need to shift from being front-line tactical platforms like aircraft to being host and coordination platforms like aircraft carriers. "

04:17:18 mircea_popescu: heh.

04:17:18 mats: well for one thing a carrier is vulnerable on all axes

04:17:25 mircea_popescu: mats so is the sub.

04:17:35 mats: sub can crawl sea floor and reduce attack surface

04:17:59 mircea_popescu: actually floor is very dangerous with the new seeking missiles

04:18:05 mircea_popescu: because it reflects the wave / crushes

04:18:13 decimation: asciilifeform: on page 14 of the linked pdf you can see a picture of sub 'taking off' uav

04:18:16 mats: name?

04:18:28 mircea_popescu: i dun have a name.

04:18:46 asciilifeform: they launched biplanes and even triplanes from subs

04:18:48 asciilifeform: '30s

04:18:51 mats: ill investigate later then

04:19:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just that the advantages of subs (quietness, depth) are less and less valuable

04:19:55 mircea_popescu: and once they can't actually work tactically anymore, they're basically a smaller submersible carrier.

04:20:50 decimation: "Emerging non-acoustic detection techniques also show great promise. The theoretical possibilities of detecting minute changes on the ocean’s surface caused by a submarine or the wake it leaves underwater have been widely recognized since the Cold War, but only now have processing power and oceanographic modeling improved to the point where these approaches may be operationally feasible. Methods to detect radiation or chemicals

04:20:52 decimation: emitted by a submarine also date from the Cold War and may benefit from the improved sensitivity “big data” could provide."

04:22:05 mats: sounds like a good scam

04:22:31 mircea_popescu: mats it becomes insanely more expensive to quiet them down as time passes.

04:24:04 mats: i see your point, but im not convinced the detection technology is there yet

04:24:10 decimation: " New ASW technologies and improve- ments to non-nuclear undersea platforms, however, will likely enable adversaries to comple- ment their surface and air A2/AD networks with undersea surveillance and attack systems. These may not have the reach of anti-ship ballistic missiles or modern surface-to-air missiles, but they have the potential to make the undersea littorals of a potential adversary an increas- ingly denied zone. "

04:25:11 mats: i hope they called james cameron

04:25:21 mircea_popescu: well, whether it's here yet or not... things still evolve one way. all i said was re this direction.

04:26:04 mircea_popescu: decimation basically they're really desperate to maintain as much projection into future budgets, but in point of fact... maintaining both a carrier and a nuclear powered sub programme isn't likely.

04:26:13 decimation: mats, this paper is not some random derp, it's a highly connected dod think tank

04:26:31 asciilifeform: how many nuke subs left in usa? and how many janitors who haven't torched theirs yet

04:26:44 mircea_popescu: like 16 ?

04:26:44 asciilifeform: 1 down, ? to go

04:26:48 asciilifeform: 15

04:27:22 mircea_popescu: anyway, it will be the lol of all time if the carrier-sub joint at the seams frankenstein resembles anything the fighter-bomber-helicopter-drone f35 attempt.

04:27:29 mircea_popescu: "costs an infinity, delivers paperwork"

04:28:52 asciilifeform: in j. sladek's 'tik tok', sf novel in '83, in the 'dark future' (tm) an aircraft-carrier-with-wheels, vast and infinitely expensive, is finally built

04:28:55 decimation: well, the bigger picture is that usg is not going to be able to threaten russia or china as much as it used to

04:29:01 mats: maybe the sea drones will fail less than the airborne models

04:29:13 asciilifeform: as a mega-apocalyptic culmination of usg military wankery

04:29:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.

04:30:49 mats: https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/seccode/AA.+Bibliography a collection of papers

04:30:51 assbot: AA. Bibliography - Secure Coding - CERT Secure Coding Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/18aEHob )

04:31:29 asciilifeform: mats: i have that book

04:32:03 asciilifeform: (seacord)

04:32:33 mats: im reading the papers in preparation for the book

04:35:19 mats: taking me ages i might add

04:53:53 thestringpuller: falling asleep at a computer is one of the most amazing feelings ever

04:53:53 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

05:31:21 cazalla: ;;later tell Vexual look who it is lol http://www.smh.com.au/national/king-of-cannabis-nevil-schoenmakers-stages-a-quiet-comeback-20150220-13iazv.html

05:31:25 assbot: King of cannabis Nevil Schoenmakers stages a quiet comeback ... ( http://bit.ly/18aU1Bj )

05:31:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:45:43 mircea_popescu: heh check that out.

05:46:01 mircea_popescu: poor guy had to wait 20 years for teh fucktards torun out of steam.

06:07:57 NewLiberty: decimation, the cash car loans operation is registered to do it. They do pawn for cars so fairly high value goods. I may try to sell the owner on the idea since he was contemplating starting an exchange.

06:08:27 asciilifeform: pawn-for-btc ?

06:08:34 asciilifeform: or pawn-btc-for-usd ?

06:10:52 TheNewDeal: ;;bids 216.9

06:10:53 gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 5830.8258 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 1354479.01693 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0220 seconds

06:11:02 TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal

06:24:19 mats: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2015/02/greece-creditors-draft-bailout-agreement-150220180708947.html

06:24:21 assbot: Greece and creditors agree to extend bailout package - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/19O6co4 )

07:10:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00038386 = 9.4046 BTC [+]

07:19:40 kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/1489/

07:19:40 assbot: xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jvx0cL )

07:47:33 mats: https://bitbucket.org/mihaila/bindead/wiki/Home

07:47:35 assbot: mihaila / Bindead / wiki / Home — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvyNi2 )

07:48:05 mats: binary static analysis.

08:24:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35532 @ 0.00038424 = 13.6528 BTC [+] {2}

08:33:16 mats: http://w00tsec.blogspot.com/2015/02/firmware-forensics-diffs-timelines-elfs.html

08:33:17 assbot: w00tsec: Firmware Forensics: Diffs, Timelines, ELFs and Backdoors ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx9Oqd )

09:11:35 mats: http://aje.io/95ce

09:11:37 assbot: Iraqi showdown against ISIL? - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxdAQc )

09:13:43 mats: 1:1 odds the iraqis will flee on contact

10:14:04 cazalla: i tell you what, keira knightley is looking worse for wear in that turing movie (which was shit)

10:15:04 cazalla: she looks 10 years older than what she is in that movie

10:18:34 Adlai: but what about blunderbuss cucumberpatch?

10:19:09 *: Adlai saw some review that maintained that just that casting choice invalidated the rest of the movie

10:20:10 Adlai: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/AlanTuring-Bletchley.jpg zero similarity

10:20:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvMNs4 )

10:25:11 punkman: cazalla, Schoenmaker still alive huh

10:25:34 cazalla: Adlai, i dunno, seemed he was intent on acting like an autistic retard the entire movie

10:26:03 BingoBoingo: First act of this morning which began an hour after midnight, shoveling snow and laying salt was a success

10:26:14 punkman: iirc one of his partners was a USG agent, surprising he escaped USG prison

10:26:30 cazalla: punkman, was always known he was alive through his dealings with mr nice seedbank

10:27:08 punkman: Mr Nice spent quite some time in USG prison

10:27:27 punkman: his book is a fun read

10:27:51 BingoBoingo: punkman: That was more a concern for the local authorities. If the feds knew, they almost always just kept such information in J Edgar's blackmail file.

10:28:49 cazalla: punkman, from what i've read, greenhouse seeds posers ripped the mothers off nev and mr nice

10:29:52 cazalla: who really knows the fkn truth of it all though

10:31:33 punkman: I just like teh smuggling stories

10:31:53 cazalla: everything would suggest arjan roskam is nothing but a glorified adsense marketer for weed

10:32:07 cazalla: punkman, same

10:33:29 cazalla: i'm the first the campaign about the medicinal effects of alcohol over the medicinal effects of herbs

10:33:45 cazalla: to*.. clearly i am under the effects of medicinal alcohol at this very moment

10:33:50 BingoBoingo: ;;google modern drunkard magazine

10:33:51 gribble: Modern Drunkard Magazine: http://www.drunkard.com/; You're a Drunk - Modern Drunkard Magazine: http://www.drunkard.com/md_youre_a_drunk.htm; Top 10 - Modern Drunkard Magazine: http://www.drunkard.com/top-ten.html

10:34:34 cazalla: i never smoked the wacky toboacky in my life

10:34:49 Adlai: BingoBoingo++

10:35:42 BingoBoingo: http://www.drunkard.com/archive/Modern%20Drunk%20Art/drunk-art-001.jpg

10:35:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvNZM7 )

10:35:44 Adlai: ;;later rate cazalla -1 unless he smokes the sticky tabiccy

10:35:44 gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.

10:35:56 BingoBoingo: http://www.drunkard.com/issues/58/images/safeguard-sanity-58.jpg

10:35:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvO0zz )

10:36:19 Adlai: though combustion is not requires, vapor is also nice and would suffice

10:36:42 cazalla: ;;later rate adlai -100 insinuates i am not a law abiding citizen of the commonwealth of australia

10:36:43 gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.

10:37:02 cazalla: you mean like snoop dogg vapors?

10:38:06 BingoBoingo: Let us all remember the bong was a part of the USG lowering Shrem into pederastry

10:38:16 Adlai: afaik he smokes, but any self-respecting coffeeshop has desktop vapes like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im3bgflEaoc

10:38:17 assbot: VOLCANO Digit Vaporizer Review and demo- Digit Vaporizer Review Volcano Demonstration - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EANBFB )

10:38:19 cazalla: or you mean vaping alcohol adlai? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOa_GXNpuJk

10:38:20 assbot: Smoking Alcohol! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EANDgC )

10:38:32 kakobrekla: <cazalla> everything would suggest arjan < yep, arjan lying thief

10:38:53 Adlai: vaping alcohol sounds rather dangerous, plant matter is easy enough to ignite, why fuck with biofuel

10:39:02 Adlai: ignite *accidentally

10:40:24 Adlai: 'bong was a part of the USG lowering Shrem into pederastry' << ?

10:40:47 kakobrekla: <punkman> his book is a fun read < yup, quite out there.

10:41:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82121 @ 0.00038613 = 31.7094 BTC [+] {2}

10:41:30 BingoBoingo: !s bong

10:41:30 assbot: 32 results for 'bong' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bong

10:41:30 kakobrekla: movie sucks balls though.

10:42:31 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Before his arrest Charlie gave some magazine interview and spoke often of his bong and spoke very fondly of it.

10:42:32 Adlai: 32! never took this to be such a hot topic™

10:42:44 kakobrekla: lulz

10:42:55 cazalla: Adlai, i don't think shrem is in the lock up yet anyway

10:43:14 Adlai: yeah i guess you need a few olympic golds to own a bong

10:43:30 BingoBoingo: Adlai: You really do here. Or to otherwise be boring.

10:43:38 kakobrekla: ;;google charlie shrem bong

10:43:39 gribble: Bitcoin Millionaire Charlie Shrem of BitInstant Arrested - Vocativ: http://www.vocativ.com/tech/bitcoin/bitcoin-millionaire-charlie-shrem-arrested-money-laundering/; My Night Out With Bitcoin Millionaire and Proud Stoner Charlie Shrem: http://www.vocativ.com/tech/bitcoin/night-bitcoin-millionaire-proud-stoner-charlie-shrem/; THE CRYPTO SHOW | Bringing the world of technology, (1 more message)

10:43:42 cazalla: fkn unaustralian cunts never heard of a mr juicy bottle and the ever shortening garden hose?

10:44:10 kakobrekla: >Later in the the night, we went up to his apartment, where I spotted a couple of bongs. At some point, Shrem told me, “I won’t hire you unless I drink with you or smoke weed with you—that’s a 100 percent fact.”

10:44:14 kakobrekla: ah right, who could forget.

10:45:40 Adlai: it's the japanese way

10:47:52 cazalla: i thought the japanese way was to steal your shit

10:52:58 cazalla: kamakazzzzziiieee

10:55:03 BingoBoingo: In USia "drugs" are often used as a pretext by USG for taking nice things from people who have nice things.

10:56:36 punkman: BingoBoingo: I thought the pretext was "how dare you have nice things"

10:57:09 BingoBoingo: punkman: Well, "drugs" is they pretext of convenience used before resorting to that one.

10:58:04 cazalla: BingoBoingo, same here down under, but i drink so it's all legal

10:58:57 cazalla: but i don't have nice things anyway

10:59:05 BingoBoingo: yeah. some time in the past I occasionally enjoyed other substances, but... Bitcoin happened.

10:59:16 cazalla: i don't even buy new clothes in like 2-3 years

10:59:30 cazalla: seems a waste of money

10:59:36 punkman: good clothes last longer than that

11:00:15 cazalla: punkman, even the best of clothes don't fit expanding waist line :P

11:00:39 cazalla: but i keep em anyway, rocky montage inc any day now

11:01:48 punkman: rabbit is lean, how u expand waist

11:02:22 cazalla: sitting on ass and boozing

11:02:42 cazalla: fwiw, use to run 10km a day, so not like i don't know what it takes to be comitted rocky balboa righter champion of the world beat anyone in a tussel

11:03:51 punkman: you could wear beer-can hat and run at the same time!

11:04:35 cazalla: nah i live that for the baseball fans *nudge* BingoBoingo

11:04:37 cazalla: leave

11:05:35 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Have you seen the waistlines of some of the players?

11:06:01 cazalla: well no, it's not popular here aside a few sepppo wannabes

11:06:39 cazalla: in fact, i have pics from area i use to take morning walks

11:06:46 cazalla: was a make shift baseball field

11:06:56 cazalla: pics are bitter sweet because while i was busy checking out the drains in the area

11:07:03 cazalla: blockchain height was moving higher and higher

11:07:08 cazalla: oblivious

11:08:39 BingoBoingo: Ah

11:09:08 BingoBoingo: I've got about 8 months left for 0.7.2 WTF to finish syncing

11:09:35 cazalla: yet to tackle that

11:09:49 cazalla: tbh, i found obsd and xfce to run like ass, no surprise a nigbuntu runs faster

11:10:33 cazalla: i still got it on the other hdd but i switched back to the nigbuntu for time being until i figure out how to make firefox run faster minus the crashes with obsd (yeah, i increased mem for account ,added to staff, no go)

11:12:27 cazalla: reminds me of that wish i could read so i could get welfare meme

11:12:37 cazalla: but more, i wish i could compute so as not to get owned

11:13:20 cazalla: anyway.. pics of playing in drains while blockheight moved higher and higher http://imgur.com/BOSU8OS,ihFlqIk,mvnw852

11:13:21 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/18c5657 )

11:21:37 cazalla: this is what i meant anyway http://i.imgur.com/3wcaEwf.png

11:21:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18c7lp4 )

11:24:59 cazalla: best road rash song evar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCKlTJxGAuI

11:25:00 assbot: Paw - Jessie (HQ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18c8gWg )

11:29:11 BingoBoingo: http://www.drunkard.com/issues/58/58-pocketful-of-joy-01.html

11:29:12 assbot: Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/18c9lNQ )

11:30:58 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tbQRbNMlks props to anyone who guesses the grinspoon reference :P

11:31:00 assbot: Grinspoon - Just Ace (Recovery, 1998) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18c9EIF )

11:35:40 cazalla: seen this guys at the BDO like 10 years ago, disappointing in concert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_UCks8O0FA

11:35:41 assbot: Hoodoo Gurus - Miss Freelove 69 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18caAwJ )

11:36:01 kakobrekla: https://www.havelockinvestments.com

11:36:03 assbot: www.havelockinvestments.com | 521: Web server is down ... ( http://bit.ly/18caEN1 )

11:36:12 kakobrekla: this is offline since yesterday it seems

11:36:41 cazalla: kakobrekla, but dead long time before that

11:37:11 kakobrekla: but the RENT is too god damn high

11:39:09 cazalla: i don't think you can even buy a home in the shittest areas of australia at the price RENT is paying for homes

11:39:11 kakobrekla: ah i see mike already noticed yet.

11:39:18 kakobrekla: yest.

11:39:45 cazalla: the sticks i gew up in.. went for under 100k 25 years ago.. over 500k now

11:40:16 cazalla: as in the sticks, 2 1/2 drive to sydney to work, 2 1/2 hour drive back every fucking day, people do it en masse

11:40:28 cazalla: yet in school, told we would be farmers

11:40:43 cazalla: by time school finished, no farms in site

11:41:18 cazalla: when school began, we lit plenty of fires on plenty of farms to help the fire bug country fire association put them out.. that's if they didn't start em their fucking selves

11:42:13 cazalla: the fuck you teach me how to milk cows and raise meat chickens for, stupid fkn public schooling

11:42:58 cazalla: yet agriciulutral school still persists to this day despite every bit of plastic shit being shipped in from china

11:44:15 cazalla: so what happens when ya train a bunch of kids for local industry that no longer exist by the time they become adults? cunts like this lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Valera

11:44:16 assbot: Mark Valera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0iB1P )

11:45:21 cazalla: should've known that cunt had a screw lose when he was adamant about shaq attacking every basketball hoop in the township

11:49:49 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTDcKcMSoiI

11:49:50 assbot: Tex Perkins - I Know Y'Know I Know - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0jXcI )

11:50:04 cazalla: prob only vexual appreciats the solo t-shirt

11:51:22 chetty: in fairness Internet didn't exist when I was in school, how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet?

11:52:45 cazalla: primary or high school chetty? we had dial up with netscape in highschool, fucking cunts were adamant about getting me off it, about the same time as the dumb ibm library terminals were shipped out for windows shit as discused here

11:53:24 cazalla: of course net was expensive as shit here, so had bbs as side gig, yearr 8 high school teacher use to call into my board too

11:54:47 cazalla: fkn old hag constantly bitching we were on austnet irc before roll call

11:54:55 cazalla: the fuck else you gonna use the net for back then?

11:55:01 chetty: well the specific 'thing' isnt the point, but the world changes fast and they didnt train car mechanics back in buggy whip days either

11:56:21 cazalla: well, we were still being trained for no existent agricultural jobs in 1998 on the priviso we started them back in like 93 or some shit, god forbid they up and admit there was a fkn cow or farm in the region any longer and the farming lands were all sold to build shitty properties on

11:56:35 cazalla: still shits me, i was promised a farm, all i wanted was a farm.. still.. no farm

11:57:24 jurov: buy some land, feed yourself?

11:57:28 cazalla: i still harbour immense resentment about all this shit

11:58:26 cazalla: jurov, i got a small plot here, problem is in australia, one is expected to work 30-40 years to pay for it

11:58:45 cazalla: my broke ass immigrant opa with less than 2 dimes had his shit paid off in 2 decades

11:59:09 cazalla: now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill

11:59:14 chetty: we are all slaves

12:00:55 chetty: <cazalla> now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill// how else they gonna keep ya in debt for life?

12:01:22 cazalla: something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here

12:02:30 cazalla: i never fucking had more than a broken ass discussion with him in english, his broken ass polish/german/ russian and yet the dude who slept in a fucking barn as a kid had better prospects coming here in here in here in the 50s than me and the missus do combined

12:03:29 cazalla: i'm not against work mind you

12:03:42 cazalla: but these make work jobs they put you in for 30-40 years at bezzle rates

12:03:59 cazalla: i dunno how ppl are yet to tap out

12:04:48 chetty: people hypnotized by tv and drugged up dont notice

12:05:17 cazalla: i honestly think i'd do better in an enviroment of scare food and where you gotta kill to eat

12:05:37 chetty: a lot of us would

12:06:13 chetty: (why to all those people go join the jihad?)

12:06:23 cazalla: i've been in an environment where beatings were par for the course and told i was fucking lucky and should be grateful because i wasn't raised by the wehrmacht solider himself and didn't cop beatings near as bad

12:06:43 cazalla: well, news here in australiua chetty is some people upset their kids are defecting to IS

12:06:52 cazalla: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-21/perth-student-joins-islamic-state-fighters/6171552

12:06:53 assbot: Islamic State: Perth university student Muhammed Sheglabo joins fighters in Middle East - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0osEi )

12:07:27 cazalla: i don't blame em, for a young australian, there is fucking nothing unless you are prepared to work 40 years in a make work job to pay off an inflated piece of shit block with no back yard 2 bedroom pos

12:08:01 chetty: idiot west makes getting ahead impossible, permanent slavery to the state, and then doesn't understand why the kids go join jihad?

12:08:12 cazalla: of all the socialist countries in the western world, australia might in fact be the worst

12:08:35 cazalla: and i am somewhat "privilileged"

12:08:59 cazalla: the ones that come after me though? they are truely fucked

12:09:43 chetty: nah, something will break, a reset is coming

12:09:53 cazalla: i fucking hope so

12:10:03 cazalla: i'm already clinging to a shit rope

12:10:27 cazalla: with the weight of others clingingin to it unware i'm trying to carry them so that they don't fucking starve

12:11:56 chetty: time for some tough love, all those parents with 20+ kids living in the basement should kick em out

12:12:16 cazalla: maybe the kids have no option though

12:12:38 cazalla: i was still living at home on and off during late teens, early 20s despite all the bullshit

12:14:10 chetty: but thats the point, most humans are pretty lazy, as long as they can hide and live off others, they will

12:15:01 cazalla: bezzle makes em dependent, lazy

12:15:23 cazalla: or maybe they just don't want to work dead end make work jobs

12:15:53 chetty: yup, a kick into reality

12:15:56 cazalla: i been looking for work myself atm

12:16:33 cazalla: much like asciilifeform's discussion of people working for #b-a at the liberty of the bezzle or offtime

12:16:44 cazalla: the fucking noose grows tighter, i tell you that now

12:17:12 cazalla: selling btc grants you perhaps additional time but eventually that shit rope will tigthten for good and that angel lust inc

12:17:27 cazalla: yet i can think of nothing worse

12:17:48 cazalla: ya fucking hung as in necked or i go and prostitute myself on a part time basis to keep lights on

12:18:05 cazalla: sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be

12:18:19 cazalla: this whole fucking bitcoin escapade is bitter sweet

12:18:38 chetty: knowing truth can be painful

12:19:08 cazalla: times like this i regret having a missus and kid

12:19:13 Adlai: is/isil/isis/etc should rebrand as "United States of Islamica"

12:19:25 cazalla: i could survive on noodles myself.. but the kid... i won't have that

12:19:38 chetty: but I for one would not trade it. And ya twice as bad when other depend on you

12:19:57 cazalla: nad yet if bitcoin fulfils its destiny, i'll prob eat a bowl of shit from the kid

12:20:53 cazalla: which makes me contemplate.. mp and physical discipline.. i couldn't imagine hitting my kid.. yet, if my own father didnt flog me with jugcord and leave countless bruises.. i don't think i'd be here today

12:20:58 cazalla: such conflict

12:21:10 cazalla: i value a meal, a roof over my head, a warm bed

12:21:16 chetty: Adlai, maybe thats what O meant about the 57 states ?

12:22:10 chetty: cazalla, your kid is still young, no? the rod comes later

12:22:18 cazalla: 13 months

12:22:38 cazalla: i don't know if i could hit him in the fashion my own father hit me

12:22:49 cazalla: and my old man copped it much worse from his father than i did mine

12:23:19 chetty: at that age its hard to imagine them ever doing anything that needs punishment. Things change :)

12:23:30 cazalla: maybe i do my own son an injustice.. say i wind up dead in 15-20 years time and he inherits the lot..

12:23:58 cazalla: i can;t think of anything worse than my son taking what i own just as he hits his late teens, early 20s

12:24:11 cazalla: but my own trajectory.. dead soon enough

12:24:24 cazalla: already live as if on borrowed time

12:24:35 cazalla: hecen drinking oneself stupid

12:25:12 cazalla: goal is just to impart to son that he need not follow rules of society set by bezzle

12:25:38 cazalla: prob serve him better if i drop dead earlier in his life than later

12:26:20 cazalla: up againstg it though

12:26:37 cazalla: everything and everyone wants to instruct him to follow and obey others

12:26:49 cazalla: not that obeying others is wrong.. just wrong people

12:27:29 cazalla: go to school, do your 2+2, watch cartoons, use ipad, earn marks form shitty ass teachers who for some reason or other get to depict student as A+ or F

12:28:24 cazalla: fwiw, i didn't even finish school, plenty of C's D's E's and F's because what they taught was utter shit.. oobedience to the bezzle, obedience to who paid them and kept a roof over their head

12:28:39 chetty: school is great slave training, obey obey obey

12:28:55 cazalla: fail P.E, yet i could beat the shit, or at least put up a fight againt the stronger kids who beat me anyway

12:29:25 cazalla: only fights i lost were against the kids who's own father beat the shit out of them.. and at that point it was not many

12:29:37 cazalla: and you knew.. just by looking at them

12:29:44 cazalla: i use to have fights with 2-3 kids

12:30:13 cazalla: and i'd win, because fighting my own father who would not hesitant to flog me with a jug cord or punch and wind me.. nothin any other kid could muster

12:30:44 cazalla: and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder

12:30:55 cazalla: fuck them all

12:31:12 cazalla: modern school breeds weak kids so that they breed even weaker kids

12:31:35 punkman: I learned good things in school, but higher ed was a complete disappointment

12:31:40 cazalla: meanwhile the "elite" laugh at the idea that modern conflict can be solved with anything but violence

12:31:45 cazalla: i learned nothing

12:32:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00038115 = 6.0603 BTC [-]

12:32:05 cazalla: anything i learned was from fidonet which these fucks fought and fought to keep me off the computer

12:32:25 cazalla: close one door, open another, that was the epitome

12:33:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19647 @ 0.00037076 = 7.2843 BTC [-]

12:34:24 cazalla: i am not intelligent, never really had the opportunity or desire to reach out for knowledge, nothing more than a class of person who, if dedicated, could become a master wine/cheese/anyfood maker

12:34:47 cazalla: but when such a class of person is robbed of such opportunity, you know it is real over

12:37:48 cazalla: mistake they made, was to allow idiots like me to grasp prometheus' fire, god forbid what the smarter amongst us here have in store for such people

12:38:04 cazalla: i hope you neck every single one of them

12:39:27 jurov: adn what happened with dad's land? so that you ended up without anything

12:39:36 chetty: smart is a very relative thing, that you are here says a lot

12:40:07 cazalla: and if someone like me end up with my hands around your neck? god forbid, well acquainted withe the slaughter of innocent animals, but the guilty?

12:40:21 cazalla: jurov, what i have doesn't even keep pace with the bezzle

12:41:01 jurov: please explain

12:41:12 jurov: did he sell everything and gave you only bezzlars?

12:41:37 cazalla: no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes

12:41:48 cazalla: it'll fucking deplete the lot

12:43:05 cazalla: what took a joe stack to realise in 50 years takes someone like me to realise in 25 years which takes someone to come after 10-15 years

12:43:31 punkman: I got some land that needs a farmer, might have to wait for the btc slaves though

12:44:34 cazalla: <chetty> smart is a very relative thing, that you are here says a lot <<< nope, says that we're near the end

12:46:39 cazalla: when soemone like me strolls into #b-a and becomes a regular, you know it's almost over

12:47:05 punkman: what's almost over?

12:47:30 Adlai: calm before the storm?

12:47:41 cazalla: the current way of doing things where you print shit effortlessly for a lifetime of someone elses hard worked effort

12:48:55 punkman: wishes, horses

12:49:01 Adlai: ugh. several of irl peers work as salespeople, and justify this as their response to bezzle... "we get preyed on, so we prey on others"

12:51:39 cazalla: punkman, what's a wish?

12:52:11 cazalla: you think i'm gonna raise my own to go out into the world, accue large amounts of bezzle debt for a uni degree to work at mcdonalds?

12:53:12 cazalla: i'd be disappointed if he tells the uni recruiter anything less than fuck you

12:54:13 Adlai: does australia have a similar student loan system to the us?

12:56:19 cazalla: uni loans keepspace with inflation.. and not even solider pay keeps up with inflation.. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-bureaucrats-stung-by-meagre-pay-offer-20150219-13jlz3.html

12:56:21 assbot: Defence bureaucrats stung by meagre pay offer ... ( http://bit.ly/19PIMi6 )

12:57:31 cazalla: gov is more than happy to load you up on debt for b-a

12:57:40 cazalla: fkn kids should get a #b-a instead of a b-a

12:57:47 punkman: cazalla, wishing the bezzle away

12:57:54 punkman: you gonna have to neck them

12:58:22 cazalla: hey, the day a certain someone orders them all lined up and machine gunned, i'll fkn be there

12:59:19 cazalla: im just fucking itching to unlease some bloodlust on orcs and march em forward

12:59:51 cazalla: and if you think i'm fucking kidding, just try me

12:59:55 punkman: also, I'm not gonna care about Zimbabwe bezzle, as long as I'm not there

13:00:22 chetty: <cazalla> what took a joe stack to realise in 50 years takes someone like me to realise in 25 years which takes someone to come after 10-15 years// I dont think it has another 10-15 years left in it

13:01:09 cazalla: chetty, i'm being generous

13:01:52 cazalla: hopefully we have a whole fucking army of joe stack kamikazes

13:02:48 cazalla: pew pew pew

13:03:46 cazalla: i like mp's touch.. 5 year anniversary

13:05:20 cazalla: of course, no-one commented, but if i noticed the timing..

13:05:40 cazalla: kamikaze!

13:06:17 Adlai: too bad "ideas are bulletproof" shoots both ways

13:06:23 Adlai: the enemy is not a person

14:31:25 danielpbarron: height=214124 vs height=188482

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16:38:12 BingoBoingo: !up arvicco

16:38:27 BingoBoingo: !up arvicco1

16:41:58 BingoBoingo: O.o http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6995429&cid=49100057

16:42:00 assbot: Homeland Security Urges Lenovo Customers To Remove Superfish - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHbjU8 )

16:44:28 dignork: btw Superfish clowns could at least spare some embarrassment if they generated CA cert per customer instead of using hard-coded one.

16:45:37 BingoBoingo: dignork: You mean like the windows AV vendors do?

16:47:47 dignork: well, pretty much anyone doing TLS MitM just creates one key per client/subnet/attack, unless it's USG just using a kosher VeriSign key

16:48:54 BingoBoingo: Makes sense

17:17:47 mircea_popescu: assbot: Greece and creditors agree to extend bailout package << euians saw all the fun usians had with the "debt ceiling", made a little sideshow of their own.

17:20:10 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/1489/ <<< that's pretty much EXACTLY it. and then various noobs imagine physics is a serious science, while in fact it barely hangs out at the outskirts of credibility, and same noobs imagine stuff like i dunno, psychiatry or "earth sciences" are not kinda as srs as physics "but nevertheless".

17:20:11 assbot: xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1zW0jKs )

17:20:50 mircea_popescu: that's what nobody wants to really say about string theory : while it's a ridiculous pile of pasta, it's not *really* that far off from physics.

17:21:56 mircea_popescu: "US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters." boooon.... o sa iasa un dezastru...

17:23:15 PeterL: why do they need so many troops?

17:23:47 mircea_popescu: because they don't stand a chance.

17:24:04 mircea_popescu: "well at least there's a lot of us. that gotta count for something."

17:24:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, that they're "iraquis" is ridoinculous beyond belief. not even the usg believes anyone'd believe it, hence the "and kurdish" because supposedly nobody knows who the kurds are. except...

17:25:10 mircea_popescu: "everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. these are all mercenaries, they are costing the us more than us troops would have cost

17:25:27 mircea_popescu: and winning a war with mercenaries against those nuts is above what i could accomplish.

17:26:11 PeterL: and us USians still wonder why we are paying for soldiers to derp around on the other side of the world

17:26:43 mircea_popescu: but the move has both putin and the chinese politburo in stitches. seriously, this means the us will never again deploy its own troops. us military just became an extremely expensive jannisary corp.

17:28:33 mircea_popescu: the epic lulz of it tho... so iraq had some 100k under arms that ran off abandoning not just weapons but their very unifortms, and now the us that don't even speak the language found 20k guys who are of the opposite persuasion. heck, if only the iraq state could be as proficiernt, they could have found better soldiers o.O

17:29:33 PeterL: at what point does this mercenary force stop listening to orders and just raiding whoever the feel like?

17:29:40 mircea_popescu: half hour in ?

17:30:15 mircea_popescu: let me remind you that last time the dod threatened to investigate blackwater the response (from the ceo) was : if you try we'll just kill your "investigator" and that'll be that.

17:30:18 mircea_popescu: so they... didn't.

17:30:29 PeterL: seems like we are building a monster we wont be able to control

17:30:42 mircea_popescu: that's coupla decades ago.

17:31:25 PeterL: but we keep feeding it, at some point it won't need our food anymore

17:31:40 mircea_popescu: if you raise your children badly, it's not that they won't NEED it

17:31:51 mircea_popescu: is that at some point they'll stop merely taking what you provide and start beating you.

17:32:58 chetty: "US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters."//next notice to include specific deployment schedules and routes, never fear

17:33:08 mircea_popescu: paris police is regularly ordered to stand down from organised muslim crime. what exactly is so special about paris ?

17:33:17 mircea_popescu: all these dudes can just move to new york, rob banks. what's to stop them ?

17:33:23 mircea_popescu: the discussion is in the logs on this score.

17:33:47 mircea_popescu: chetty its because they [perhaps correctly] figure they need the outside reinforcement.

17:34:03 mircea_popescu: ie, why will this force do what we tell them to ? well... because thewy saw it on tv.

17:34:16 chetty: rofl

17:34:37 mircea_popescu: i've never seen nuttery on this level before. seriously, "soft politics" is one thing, "oh we're so good we control teh ppl with the media".

17:34:47 mircea_popescu: applied in lieu of chain of command ? what are these people smoking!

17:34:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: simpler than that.

17:35:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: theory goes that no well-fed u.s. 400k-usd/yr academi demolitions expert or whatnot has the slightest desire to be king of the orcs

17:36:00 asciilifeform: because orcs

17:36:07 mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu> "everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. << these are all noobs.

17:36:24 mircea_popescu: think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host.

17:37:11 asciilifeform: green with infinite air support ?

17:37:32 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host. << Don't forget the mercenaries that aren't green in the peshmerga who want their own state carved out of Turkey

17:37:37 mircea_popescu: somebody in the us ACTUALLY SET TO PAPER the thought that well, since they're noobs that's a strategic advantage, "nobody will be able to know they're not as described on tin, iraq/kurd"

17:37:53 chetty: green mercs, green commanders, micro management from on high = a sure fire recipe

17:38:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how infinite that is. but "infinite" didn't help vietnam

17:38:11 mircea_popescu: chetty makes your skin crawl don't it.

17:38:29 chetty: it do, it do

17:38:30 *: asciilifeform not specialist, but remembers that vietnam had, e.g., leaf cover

17:38:37 asciilifeform: and good soviet support

17:38:50 mircea_popescu: o, im sure nobody is supporting the arabs o.O

17:39:07 asciilifeform: arabs or 'isis'

17:39:18 asciilifeform: iirc there's some disagreement among the arabs at large

17:39:39 mircea_popescu: sure.

17:40:11 asciilifeform: unless i grossly misunderstand, it's not a 'us vs arabs' match, but a 'small faction of uppity orcs vs whole bunch of other folks incl. most of the neighbouring orcs' match.

17:40:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, but turkey's an ally in this campaign o.O

17:40:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would say that's a gross misrepresentation.

17:41:00 mircea_popescu: it's a "us vs one of the football teams of the Y. they do nominally vie for supremacy. they do not in the slightest mind any one team take the world cup"

17:41:32 mircea_popescu: it's like a rite of passage, for arabs, pissing on the great satan. whoever does it best is just more respectable, is all.

17:42:59 mats: i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul

17:43:47 mircea_popescu: i don't see it either.

17:43:57 mircea_popescu: but as a kind-of minor point. what fucking kurds.

17:45:06 BingoBoingo: <mats> i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul << There's a time and place the Kurds will fight, but first the need to go through the motions of leveraging all of the phree stuff they can from Obola

17:46:13 mats: BingoBoingo: i believe the kurds will be on the outskirts of mosul, pulling security

17:46:37 mircea_popescu: what i'd like to see is what the fuck "humint" provided the 1-2k figure is all.

17:46:40 mats: as i understand it, they don't want to wade into shia sunni violence and catch some political fallout in the process

17:46:54 mircea_popescu: sadly i don't see too well inside teh golden crescent. no real interest for me there.

17:47:11 BingoBoingo: mats: Here prolly. Give it a decade or two. The Mujahadeen didn't become Al Queda until Osama needed to handle pensions.

17:48:30 mircea_popescu: that's an interesting point.

17:49:53 BingoBoingo: Right now the talking heads in the media keep talking about how we need to arm the Kurds further, and how far we are from fulfilling their requests in total.

17:50:12 mircea_popescu: lawl.

17:50:31 mircea_popescu: oh gods i am so thankful to have been born in the first ever Age of Comedy

17:50:42 mircea_popescu: no golden age before is worth all of this golden lulz.

17:51:01 mats: help help i'm being oppressed

17:51:08 thestringpuller: except the golden age of comics

17:51:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seriously, SERIOUSLY ? like... like... like soviet broadcasts in 1940 ?

17:51:34 mircea_popescu: about how hard teh ppl are workin to supply thje salvation army and what % quotas were supplied ?

17:51:41 BingoBoingo: I remember earlier this week some radio host talking about how Obama is only giving the Peshmerga 20 so Armoured personel carriers instead of the 120 som the Pershmerga needs

17:51:45 mircea_popescu: as if someone somewhere is actually busy putting mill to metal to "supply" the needs ?

17:51:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously

17:51:56 mircea_popescu: hilarious.

17:53:25 mircea_popescu: Adlai: though combustion is not requires, vapor is also nice and would suffice << this guy so fried...

17:53:35 mircea_popescu: talkin' in verses n speakin' in rhymes

17:55:21 BingoBoingo: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wm3h7/eli5_why_is_amir_taaki_important_and_why_do_some/cos48ko << Megalol, Companion loling >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2wnjjt/bitcoiners_find_out_what_the_dark_in_darkwallet/

17:55:24 assbot: ELI5: Why is Amir Taaki important and why do some people dislike him. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17lL86I )

17:55:26 assbot: Bitcoiners find out what the "dark" in darkwallet means, try to justify it. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17lL7Qk )

17:56:26 mircea_popescu: someone post the immortal http://fraudsters.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/

17:56:27 assbot: Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice to anyone serious involved in Bitcoin. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17lLeeB )

17:57:21 BingoBoingo: Well they got to the ancient https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=3066.0 first

17:57:21 assbot: Erotic chat by Skype ... ( http://bit.ly/17lLhHh )

17:58:18 mircea_popescu: lol aite.

17:58:30 mircea_popescu: sa crew keeping the lid on him eh.

17:59:59 BingoBoingo: Yeah. Not with the Amir is incompetent angle, but the Amir is a perv angle

18:00:19 mircea_popescu: chetty: how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet? << maybe give up on the trainin' ? the greeks had the same problem, had solution : music, sport, grammar and logic. and fuck them.

18:00:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i take it back, they prolly know the material, let 'em manage it. i can't be arsed to follow amir. whoever does, can call the shots.

18:02:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2015#1027022 << ayup.

18:02:29 assbot: Logged on 21-02-2015 12:01:22; cazalla: something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here

18:02:46 BingoBoingo: Inflation

18:03:26 mircea_popescu: nono, "easing'

18:05:28 BingoBoingo: sorry, relaxing and lubricaing

18:05:55 mircea_popescu: cazalla: sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be << famous words.

18:06:11 fluffypony: QUANTITATIVE easing

18:06:18 fluffypony: because that word makes it sound better

18:06:18 mircea_popescu: im bashing the shit outta cazalla lol.

18:06:28 mircea_popescu: fluffypony it has the crisp feel of SCIENCE

18:06:41 fluffypony: exactly

18:06:48 fluffypony: "scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER"

18:06:49 mircea_popescu: "give us your quality of life, have some quantity of stupid instead!"

18:07:04 fluffypony: "it's better because easing, like it makes your life easier"

18:07:37 mircea_popescu: "like remember that time you cut yourt cock off ? how easier peeing became ?"

18:07:50 asciilifeform: dulap!!

18:08:02 mircea_popescu: lmao

18:09:12 mircea_popescu: cazalla: such conflict << conflict is the stuff of life, man. an' how one resolves conflicts is what separates teh men from teh...

18:09:14 mircea_popescu: well whatever.

18:10:40 mircea_popescu: so im getting this supplier to invoice me in bitcoin, and they've been working on it, making their own btc accounting software an errything.

18:11:01 mircea_popescu: overnight, i get an email invoice 20 times. clearly, progress.

18:12:23 mircea_popescu: "cazalla: and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder" << waiot wut ?! how old are you after all

18:13:15 mircea_popescu: "oppositional defiant", the "disorder" of "we suck"

18:14:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: you gotta remember Australia is a pioneer is "social sciences" ESL retardations. They pioneer these things for USia and Lower Britain.

18:14:27 mircea_popescu: nuts.

18:14:53 mircea_popescu: so organised oppression of the 10% leadership ? very fucking smart.

18:19:09 BingoBoingo: Australia kind of led the way in developing "Outrage Fatigue"

18:19:27 mircea_popescu: !up Asenath

18:19:35 mircea_popescu: i had no idea.

18:36:10 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "not under any circumstances payable in cash" << you live in the weirdest bubble.

18:40:13 Adlai: "scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER" << "turn your economy around with this one weird trick!", "anarchists HATE him!"

18:40:49 Apocalyptic: lol

18:40:50 Adlai: +mircea_popescu | talkin' in verses n speakin' in rhymes << it's just https://xkcd.com/312/

18:40:51 assbot: xkcd: With Apologies to Robert Frost ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqMmg6 )

18:41:46 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: absentee landlord on opposite coast

18:42:00 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/issues/31164#issuecomment-50284751 << shitgnomes.

18:42:02 assbot: Unsigned kexts cannot be used on 10.10 · Issue #31164 · Homebrew/homebrew · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqMxrN )

18:42:13 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: deposit directly into their bank account?

18:42:49 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: cash ?

18:42:53 ben_vulpes: sure, why not

18:43:03 ben_vulpes: that what you were going on about

18:43:28 asciilifeform: can do this at bank ?

18:43:45 asciilifeform: let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ?

18:43:49 ben_vulpes: (and re unsigned kexts: it's shitgnomes on shitgnomes. os x no longer runs unsigned kexts, the solution for which is to...distribute binaries)

18:43:50 mats: counter deposit receipt

18:44:01 ben_vulpes: receipt, trust.

18:45:16 Adlai: tlsnotary!

18:45:31 Adlai: which is basically "receipt", since you're still trusting the bank

18:47:24 Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc

18:48:06 Apocalyptic: apparently at Chase you can no longer deposit into accounts you're not the holder of, but at other banks presumably this still works

18:48:15 ben_vulpes: that's rich.

18:48:20 ben_vulpes: the window is closing.

18:48:51 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not saying you won't *be* right, but in your quest to get out in front of how the world will be you're not looking at how the world is.

18:49:23 ben_vulpes: "doom gloom, the fascists know all" attitude keeps you doing what they want.

18:52:10 Adlai: a sufficiently paranoid populace needs no persecution

18:53:52 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: goes deeper than my superficial explanation suggests. i was really on about the difficulty of 'bitcoinizing' fundamentally fiat-wot-based business arrangements

18:54:23 asciilifeform: that is, say i had landlord who is paid in cash, and he decides that months's bag of money 'never happend'

18:54:25 asciilifeform: then what

18:54:44 ben_vulpes: sure. i'll read more thoroughly next time i'm a thousand lines behind.

18:54:49 ben_vulpes: granted, a problem.

18:55:00 asciilifeform: it works if we were both, say, italians, where 'it isn't done', or if i were part of an ethonmafia that will cause him problems in the event of raw deal

18:55:03 asciilifeform: but neither applies

18:55:04 ben_vulpes: but one of the wot, no?

18:55:13 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ? << don't be silly, this is a triviality.

18:55:13 asciilifeform: *ethnomafia

18:57:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every problem is a triviality to folks who can't even conceive of having it

18:57:23 asciilifeform: on account of weight class

18:57:37 mircea_popescu: but the notion that you can't make payments... i mean ? just too weird.

18:57:42 mircea_popescu: you do get a receipt for the txn

18:58:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you probably knew this, but large (how large is 'large' varies based on the day's 'terrorism thermometer') cash tx in u.s. banks require id and are reported

18:58:37 mircea_popescu: well yes.

18:58:51 asciilifeform: so that defeats the purpose of the exercise of using cash.

18:58:56 asciilifeform: as was meant to

18:58:57 mircea_popescu: it won't be possible for you to anonymously send cash to some guy you don't know. necessarily.

18:59:08 mircea_popescu: but you are, phyusically, using the cahs.

18:59:10 punkman: I've never paid rent not in cash :P

18:59:14 asciilifeform: then same as cutting a cheque

18:59:17 asciilifeform: or sending a wire

18:59:28 mircea_popescu: see, you're equivocating. one purpose of using cash is anonymity. ANOTHER pourpose is to just get rid of the plutonium crate.

18:59:32 mircea_popescu: these aren't the same.

18:59:34 asciilifeform: in that 'usg knows you had $xxxx that day in your pocket'

18:59:57 asciilifeform: 'get rid of' in the sense of 'make use of without giving half of it to usg'

19:00:03 mircea_popescu: exactl.y

19:00:04 asciilifeform: or getting on lists

19:00:27 mircea_popescu: ah, well, there's more angles to the problem. you need a good tax attorney, a llc structure, etc etc.

19:00:37 asciilifeform: suddenly it costs $100k to move $100k

19:00:40 asciilifeform: what if you only have 10.

19:00:51 mircea_popescu: no, it costs 100k to have the infrastructure in place.

19:00:58 mircea_popescu: like you know ddr2 ? must meet min speed ?

19:00:59 asciilifeform: granted.

19:01:20 asciilifeform: but everyone already knew that the problem, after a certain scale, is solvable

19:01:21 mircea_popescu: investing in this infrastructure is 3 or more degrees of magnitude more valuable than investing in college for you your kid your slave your dog.

19:01:33 mircea_popescu: yet MILLIONS do the latter. do not tell me it is impossible.

19:01:39 mircea_popescu: it is unwilled, but that is entirely for silly reasons.

19:01:59 asciilifeform: millions do the latter << heavily subsidized by usg

19:02:04 mircea_popescu: nevertheless.

19:02:11 asciilifeform: for instance, i pay ~1.5x - 2x per sq. metre of housing than my colleagues

19:02:19 asciilifeform: on account of rent not being a tax-deductible item in usa

19:02:20 mircea_popescu: it is in fact a rehash of the "i can't run bitcoin on linux because i have windows"

19:02:25 asciilifeform: (while debt slavery - is)

19:02:32 mircea_popescu: buy a corp with debt.,

19:02:36 mircea_popescu: rent as the corp.

19:02:56 asciilifeform: this is a 'must be this tall to play' affair, as described above

19:03:02 asciilifeform: need the infrastructure

19:03:12 mircea_popescu: yes. like not running windows, it's a "this tall to play" affair.

19:03:43 mircea_popescu: you will notice that we fall on this matter as follows : you're significantly more stringent than me on one score, and significantly laxer than me on the other.

19:03:46 asciilifeform: except that linux is free (yeah, aha, 'if your time has no value' - well guess what, mine - didn't - as a student)

19:04:14 mircea_popescu: this alone should be prima facie evidence i'm actually right.

19:04:19 asciilifeform: hmm?

19:05:16 mircea_popescu: not clear ?

19:05:23 asciilifeform: afraid not

19:05:59 asciilifeform: so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd

19:06:09 mircea_popescu: person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because im on windows". on a scale of -10 to +10, where -10 is "that's ok, you shoulsd use windows" and 10 is "fuck you get off windows anywhay right now no mattert the cost" you average about a -8, i about a -1

19:06:25 []bot: Bet created: "CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1121/

19:06:29 mircea_popescu: other person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because i'm on bezzle". you average +8, i average the same -1.

19:06:36 mircea_popescu: this divergence suggests you're wrong.

19:07:10 mircea_popescu: s/-1/+1/ apparently numbers are hard and signs harder.

19:07:45 asciilifeform: see, linux is free if you had the upbringing, but 100k might as well be 100kg of plutonium as far as i'm concerned

19:07:59 mircea_popescu: you are mixing concepts.

19:07:59 asciilifeform: hence the difference

19:08:07 mircea_popescu: how convenient something is can not be a part of discussing what to do

19:08:18 mircea_popescu: it can only be considered once what to do is established, and the discussion moves on to how to do it.

19:08:25 asciilifeform: how physically feasible something is, must be included

19:08:39 mircea_popescu: just as long as it's not a re-dressed convenience argument.

19:08:48 mircea_popescu: there's no physics law against sanity, yet.

19:09:35 asciilifeform: what'd be the 'sanity' ?

19:09:59 mircea_popescu: obviously, i'm a great student of the mouse school of jar handling.

19:10:19 asciilifeform: if it costs 100k to be let out of asylum and not have the thorazine injected daily, should we still think of the sanity in the usual sense of the word ?

19:11:18 mircea_popescu: well nao, i'll have to think about that.

19:11:24 *: asciilifeform is one of the numerous mice on parade here in #b-a who go 'thchwack' against the glass daily

19:11:32 mircea_popescu: this is true.

19:12:16 asciilifeform: but to tell mouse that there is no glass, and it is only a figment of his perceptions, is an odd thing imho

19:12:56 mircea_popescu: well this case more closely resembles teh trained electric fence thing

19:12:59 asciilifeform: or to tell him that in the garden shed where his jar stands, in a toolchest there is a glass-cutter.

19:13:29 mircea_popescu: haha pretty good

19:13:36 mircea_popescu: but i still dun think it's a fair eval.

19:18:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27577 @ 0.00039825 = 10.9825 BTC [+] {2}

19:21:43 asciilifeform: the mouse is a perfect analogy here, because his efforts at glass-breaking are not in any way cumulative

19:22:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23503 @ 0.00038325 = 9.0075 BTC [-]

19:22:50 asciilifeform: he'd have to live for ten thousand years in the jar to make so much as a visible mark in the glass.

19:28:17 chetty: but from the outside he could get the glass cutter and do some damage :P

19:30:05 asciilifeform: with teleporter ?

19:33:31 Adlai: ... and the jar's floor is a treadmill, each shelf's mills singing a parallel circuit to power the shed's dingy incandescent

19:34:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00037076 = 7.6006 BTC [-]

19:37:55 thestringpuller: fucking uncle sam wanting more and more taxes

19:38:14 thestringpuller: i realize paying taxes is so futile with our insatiable defecit

19:38:41 thestringpuller: letz borrow monies 4 gunz plz

19:51:10 asciilifeform: cazalla: no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes [and rest of that thread] << if it makes ya feel better - far worse in usa. i, for instance, know for a fact that i will never own any lands here.

19:53:23 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build.

19:53:39 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^

19:56:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00037229 = 9.754 BTC [+]

20:19:19 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: neat!

20:19:36 ben_vulpes: for the ignoramuses like myself, how does the ramdisk figure into the pop project?

20:20:57 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1026168

20:20:57 assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:11; ascii_field: danielpbarron: at present time there is no support whatoever for the eeprom in netbsd. this means that it can be used, but only if the userland (yes, all of it) is baked into a ramdisk baked into the kernel (which in turn is loaded by uboot in one shot at powerup)

20:21:24 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1026169

20:21:24 assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:43; ascii_field: danielpbarron: the netbsd kernel and userland are sufficiently compact (vs linux) to make this a worthwhile exercise

20:21:53 ben_vulpes: ah so whole os running out of ram? loaded in...one shot at boot.

20:21:58 asciilifeform: aha

20:22:24 asciilifeform: this is SOP on very cheap routers with minimal, low-endurance eeprom

20:23:24 nubbins`: re: logs

20:23:27 asciilifeform: it is also a good approach because it forces all the crud to be expunged with hot iron

20:23:50 nubbins`: why do i get the impression that nobody wants to exit the hamster cage because the wheel and watering tube are really nice and convenient?

20:24:03 ben_vulpes: omg this channel is the most educational thing in my life

20:24:14 nubbins`: o.O

20:24:44 nubbins`: "i really wanna lose weight, but big macs are just so good and i gotta have 10 a day"

20:25:28 nubbins`: bunch of guys so wrapped up in bezzle trappings that they don't realize their cage door is wide open

20:25:38 ben_vulpes: yes i'm an idiot

20:25:41 ben_vulpes: i started a company

20:25:49 ben_vulpes: i now have obligations

20:25:54 ben_vulpes: da woist

20:25:59 asciilifeform: nubbins`: analogy fall apart easily enough if nudged: you can readily tell the glutton what he would have to do if he were to seize hold of himself and climb out of his fat with iron will

20:26:14 asciilifeform: nubbins`: why dontcha try telling us condemned fools the equivalent

20:26:45 asciilifeform: glutton: 'eat 1/10th, take up hard training'

20:27:06 *: asciilifeform , ben_vulpes, et al: ???

20:27:13 nubbins`: i don't /really/ think i need to tell you guys that tears are a necessary ingredient to un-fucking your situations

20:27:24 kakobrekla: nubbins` local pain minimum

20:27:25 asciilifeform: nubbins`: sure, but -what kind- of tears

20:27:45 nubbins`: fierce, bitter tears. as opposed to a dull, prolonged weeping.

20:27:55 asciilifeform: ^ zero information here

20:28:13 ben_vulpes: the only thing i can think to do is accumulate capital.

20:28:15 asciilifeform: what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here

20:28:15 ben_vulpes: "rocket"

20:28:19 asciilifeform: ^

20:28:26 nubbins`: asciilifeform: stop waste and save.

20:28:29 asciilifeform: but nubbins` is implying that rocket is unnecessary if iron will

20:28:32 nubbins`: sounds blithe, no?

20:28:36 ben_vulpes: move to argentina and do webdev remotely.

20:28:46 asciilifeform: nubbins`: this requires something to save and some waste to cut

20:28:47 ben_vulpes: now *that*s tears.

20:29:01 nubbins`: asciilifeform that's where the tears come in

20:29:11 kakobrekla: seems to me destination is getting further and further away also

20:29:17 nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago?

20:29:30 asciilifeform: nubbins`: elementary fact is that i can only keep my wot obligations (s.nsa) if i have present level of equipment and time

20:29:40 asciilifeform: and fiat income

20:30:00 kakobrekla: thats his excuse now.

20:30:06 nubbins`: i ^

20:30:36 nubbins`: unless you're leasing said equipment, don't you already have it?

20:31:16 asciilifeform: the most costly piece of equipment is time.

20:31:25 nubbins`: just so it's not glossed over, i said earlier that i took a 90% pay cut in 2013

20:31:45 nubbins`: and someone with a link to the stats can take a stab at how much time i spend dicking around on irc

20:31:49 nubbins`: how do you suppose i can manage this?

20:31:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6897 @ 0.00037983 = 2.6197 BTC [+]

20:32:05 asciilifeform: nubbins`: now that part's very easy, you don't need blocks of time to dick on irc

20:32:12 asciilifeform: a few seconds here and there are enough

20:32:32 nubbins`: sure.

20:33:08 nubbins`: consider the statement suitably modified

20:34:07 nubbins`: but what i'm saying is that while cutting one's income from a gross of ~$60k to a net of ~$6k necessarily involves severe lifestyle changes

20:34:26 asciilifeform: depends where 6k

20:34:28 nubbins`: it's not at all the grim spectre that all you guys think it is.

20:34:42 nubbins`: location?

20:34:50 nubbins`: my home cost just under a quarter-million for reference.

20:34:51 asciilifeform: 6k/yr probably buys you a harem in, e.g., zimbabwe

20:35:08 asciilifeform: nubbins`: lol! 6k would not even pay the tax on such a thing here.

20:35:21 nubbins`: net 6k, i said 8)

20:35:33 asciilifeform: canuckistan ?

20:35:53 nubbins`: yeah, the socialist paradise. i get hit by a car, they fix me for free

20:36:21 nubbins`: anyway, i fill two empty bedrooms with like-minded individuals with schedules that suit me

20:36:21 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i pay ~700 usd/mo just for some distant approximation of that

20:36:25 nubbins`: mortgage: paid.

20:37:10 nubbins`: my wife and i collectively have to scrounge together about $400 per month to keep this house going

20:37:42 nubbins`: that's two hundred bucks each, per month. $7 a day.

20:37:52 asciilifeform: nubbins`: neat

20:38:23 nubbins`: i used to make that in 13 minutes at my old job

20:38:27 nubbins`: now it takes me a bit longer

20:38:31 asciilifeform: nubbins`: but to imply that everyone who is not in your position is necessarily a spendthrift who would be a winner but for the 'fatlogic' - is disingenuous

20:38:40 decimation: <asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc < yes, most us banks will let you deposit anything into one of their accounts, no questions asked

20:38:44 nubbins`: but y'know what? i don't have to lie in bed every morning wondering whether i'll call in sick

20:38:47 decimation: for obvious reasons

20:38:59 nubbins`: asciilifeform far be it from me to say this is a cure-all

20:39:07 asciilifeform: decimation: i can believe this. but then you lose what small protection was provided by the fiat wot

20:39:14 nubbins`: all i'm saying is that one can surprise oneself

20:39:15 asciilifeform: decimation: as in, ability to prove that you paid

20:39:25 decimation: well, you can get a deposit receipt from the bank

20:39:33 asciilifeform: decimation: aha. then usg also has receipt

20:39:37 asciilifeform: decimation: see the clincher ?

20:39:39 ben_vulpes: and that's not a wot, that's a system.

20:39:47 decimation: yes, but not your identity

20:39:49 ben_vulpes: you're not using the wot unless you're trusting your counterparty.

20:40:17 decimation: although it was a large cash transaction I'm sure it would inspire a degree of interest

20:40:21 nubbins`: asciilifeform i sort of gloss over the fact that years of reading "mother earth news" before taking the plunge took most of the edge off it

20:40:25 nubbins`: but hey

20:40:37 nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/

20:40:45 decimation: banking at any bank is banking with usg

20:41:12 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, decimation: the point that i was trying - and failing - to make, was that a fundamentally fiat-based business arrangement like renting a house from a fella on opposite end of continent who you've never met and never expect to meet, cannot be 'bitcoinized' in the sense of turning you loose from usg financial jail

20:41:44 nubbins`: ^

20:41:48 nubbins`: bitcoin all the things

20:42:05 ben_vulpes: well duh it can't be bitcoinized - you don't know him and so cannot trust him.

20:42:39 asciilifeform: as for the inevitable question of what i must be smoking to have done this at all - it's a consequence of the geography in which i'm trapped (a handful of houses advertised for rent in my price range at any given moment - if that; the most tilted 'seller's market' one could imagine)

20:42:47 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes has it

20:43:05 decimation: yeah it could be bitcoinized only in the special case that he is in your wot

20:43:13 nubbins`: ascii where's here, anyway

20:43:23 decimation: even if he was, the landlord has to pay his expenses in usd

20:43:25 asciilifeform: nubbins`: wash., d.c. region; usa.

20:43:35 nubbins`: o, fun

20:43:37 nubbins`: i guess?

20:43:42 asciilifeform: nubbins`: lol

20:43:45 asciilifeform: very 'fun'

20:43:46 nubbins`: heart of the beast

20:43:58 asciilifeform: nubbins`: literally 20 min. away from the classical nsa

20:43:59 nubbins`: i heard it smells like brimstone there

20:44:36 asciilifeform: more like the festering hell in 'hellraiser' than the traditional one

20:47:07 ben_vulpes: concrete and cars everywhere

20:47:15 asciilifeform: well, not here

20:47:21 *: asciilifeform does not live in the city limits

20:47:32 asciilifeform: closer to university of md.

20:47:39 ben_vulpes: classic 'suburbs'?

20:47:42 asciilifeform: aha

20:47:52 asciilifeform: funnily enough, mostly bolivia, salvador, argentina folks here.

20:47:54 ben_vulpes: dead end streets and all?

20:47:59 ben_vulpes: interesting.

20:48:01 ben_vulpes: why would that be?

20:48:35 asciilifeform: self-fulfilling-loop involving prices

20:49:08 nubbins`: well, if nothing else, i get the scarce rental market thing

20:49:15 punkman: asciilifeform: if punkman had factory in china, would you come rent floor space in bitcoin?

20:49:15 nubbins`: this place was below 1% vacancy for quite a time

20:49:16 decimation: yeah northeast dc is overrun with salvadorians

20:49:18 *: ben_vulpes did not parse the loop construct

20:49:26 nubbins`: my last rental before purchasing had -- literally -- a mold room

20:49:41 asciilifeform: punkman: if i had an income denominated in btc, sure

20:49:48 *: decimation once went to the guatamala v. salvador match in rfk stadium - the entire place was full to the rafters

20:50:07 punkman: asciilifeform: well you'd have to move, so no more usd job

20:50:17 asciilifeform: punkman: i ain't breathing vacuum

20:50:52 asciilifeform: nubbins`: scarce rental market thing << you don't know half of it. virtually unheard of to rent a house here, other than by gigantic groups of immigrants or students living like sardines in can

20:51:31 decimation: actually in most 'modern' us developments it is against the hoa rules to have more than one family - sometimes even roommates - living there

20:51:50 asciilifeform: decimation: aha. this contributes to the scarcity of the overall market

20:52:00 asciilifeform: because individual renting house is almost entirely unheard of

20:52:08 asciilifeform: so i pay a 'weirdo tax'

20:52:19 asciilifeform: as does anybody who does a 'crazy' thing for which the market is ultra-thin

20:52:36 decimation: actually there are plenty of single-payer rentals around your area

20:52:41 decimation: they just pay with usg fiat

20:52:45 asciilifeform: well yes

20:52:48 asciilifeform: everybody pays with fiat

20:53:00 decimation: I mean usg housing allowance

20:53:08 asciilifeform: for free-standing building ?

20:53:12 decimation: oh yeah

20:53:14 asciilifeform: not so common

20:53:25 decimation: read this and be amazed

20:53:26 decimation: http://militarybenefits.info/bah-rates-state/district-of-columbia-dc/

20:53:27 assbot: 2015 D.C. BAH (Basic Allowance Housing) Rates by MHA | Military Benefits ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1peDy )

20:53:38 asciilifeform: aha army officers

20:53:46 decimation: not just officers

20:54:07 decimation: even a lowly E-1 rates $2140 per month with dependents

20:54:21 decimation: as you can imagine, this sets a 'floor' in the market

20:54:31 asciilifeform: and then mircea_popescu asks why these folks don't buy one way tickets and join 'isis'

20:54:38 asciilifeform: because wtf, why.

20:54:52 asciilifeform: they're rolling in the dough.

20:55:17 decimation: I had a friend in the wash dc area that calculated an O3 officer (roughly BS degree plus 5 years experience) makes about $140k in wash dc

20:55:41 asciilifeform: no great surprise.

20:55:50 ben_vulpes: i imagine most of that gets hoovered into rentier pockets.

20:55:57 asciilifeform: this doesn't include private 'consulting' gigs, also, which many of these folks take part in

20:56:29 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: of course it does

20:57:02 decimation: ben_vulpes: yes, the deal with the housing is this: you get the full amount I quoted tax free

20:57:08 decimation: whatever you don't spend on housing you pocket

20:57:11 asciilifeform: !

20:57:31 ben_vulpes: rightous.

20:57:36 ben_vulpes: righteous*

20:57:44 decimation: unless you live on base, in which case you get nothing

20:57:45 asciilifeform: this actually explains quite a bit

20:57:53 decimation: maybe mats can confirm if he's around

20:58:14 mats: you get paid to live off base if you're E-5

20:58:42 decimation: the whole business works out to be a backdoor gov't subsidy for the real estate bezzle near bases

20:58:48 mats: folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free

20:58:54 mats: BAH for E-5 iirc is like... 35k alone?

20:59:04 mats: (basic allowance for housing)

20:59:18 mats: might be 20, i never made it to E-5.

20:59:23 asciilifeform: decimation: iirc, usg also automatically buys the house at bezzle-planned rate if you get relocation orders

20:59:29 asciilifeform: further propping up the faux market

20:59:31 decimation: $2286 per month for e5 with family

20:59:51 decimation: yes that's a separate program, but they will buy your house at 'prevailing rates'

21:00:03 decimation: and cover closing costs I think

21:00:09 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: buys house they're moving out of or moving into?

21:00:17 mats: being an ossifer is good shit if you can live with the job

21:00:17 decimation: moving out

21:00:18 asciilifeform: out

21:00:25 ben_vulpes: waat

21:00:34 ben_vulpes: w-w-why

21:00:43 asciilifeform: because they move you

21:00:44 decimation: now, I think there are well over 200k of military in your area ascii

21:00:57 decimation: so imagine what that alone does to the local real estate bezzle...

21:01:07 ben_vulpes: oh wait the subsidy is for your *mortgage* not your *rent*

21:01:07 asciilifeform: decimation: not only ordinary ones, but heavy on brass

21:01:54 decimation: yeah that's roughly 1/2 to one billion $ per year in your area alone, usg paid rent

21:02:21 asciilifeform: then factor in the 'white men need not apply' subsidized housing from the other half of usg

21:02:26 asciilifeform: and what's left is a very thin slice.

21:02:41 decimation: yes, the section 8-A rent subsidy too

21:04:15 decimation: well, the better way to think about it is that there are well over $1 bil bidding up the prices

21:04:22 asciilifeform: aha

21:04:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00040309 = 3.3053 BTC [+]

21:04:42 decimation: and that's before you count anyone who is trying to live on salary from an employer

21:04:45 asciilifeform: plus the $xxx bil of tax deduction subsidies for the mortgage racket as a class

21:04:58 asciilifeform: (which renters get none whatsoever of)

21:05:09 decimation: yes, that's a massive real estate scam

21:05:22 decimation: the bottom line is that all of this inflates the real estate asset bubble

21:05:40 decimation: which can levitate to whatever degree usg chooses, as long as it keeps these pipes flowing

21:06:51 decimation: asciilifeform: do you have a favorite 'static code analysis' tool? or do you eschew all such automation in favor of 'fits in head'?

21:07:02 asciilifeform: decimation: code analysis ?

21:07:14 asciilifeform: as in 'lint' ?

21:07:18 decimation: for instance, you mentioned the 'cert c' standard yesterday

21:07:32 decimation: I think there are tools sold to evaluate compliance with that standard

21:07:38 asciilifeform: that thing was largely about how to write (or, more correctly, -not to write-) in the first place

21:07:49 asciilifeform: and yes, there are such things. i have no personal experience with them.

21:08:19 decimation: it seems with a pl like ada, it mostly comes 'built-in'

21:08:24 asciilifeform: aha

21:08:41 asciilifeform: built in to a degree that folks who have never seen it, cannot possibly apprehend.

21:08:51 asciilifeform: this is why the 'safe c' experiments never really went anywhere

21:09:02 asciilifeform: because that market is already thoroughly owned by the ada folks

21:09:27 decimation: yeah it seems like a waste of time trying to turn the c-dialect of algol into the ada dialect

21:09:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49132 @ 0.00040309 = 19.8046 BTC [+]

21:09:47 asciilifeform: decimation: notice how 'cyclone' never remotely caught on, etc

21:10:07 asciilifeform: because the fate of ugly chimeras is to sit in a circus

21:10:13 asciilifeform: not on the street near respectable people

21:10:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22968 @ 0.0004037 = 9.2722 BTC [+] {2}

21:10:58 decimation: asciilifeform: speaking of which: https://github.com/sellout/CL-LLVM

21:10:59 assbot: sellout/CL-LLVM · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1tMcU )

21:11:14 asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol

21:12:26 decimation: asciilifeform: or this http://compcert.inria.fr/ < it's a 'formally verified' C compiler

21:12:27 assbot: CompCert - Main page ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1ubw3 )

21:13:04 decimation: I downloaded and used, and found it immediately failed to compile anything that included gnu C extensions

21:13:05 asciilifeform: decimation: i honestly can't say i'm at all interested in 'formally verified' proggy

21:13:11 asciilifeform: (to learn why - see log)

21:13:14 asciilifeform: even if it worked.

21:13:40 asciilifeform: unlike ada, it is not actually possible to program in c -as standardized-

21:13:43 decimation: yeah I have read. what I don't understand is why anyone would think that the compiler is the weak link in the C software stack

21:13:57 asciilifeform: because ken thompson

21:14:26 decimation: ah, he's one of the new jersey folks?

21:14:34 asciilifeform: everyone obsesses over 'sexy' traps while ignoring rusty old spikes that are everywhere

21:14:40 asciilifeform: decimation: 'reflections on trusting trust'

21:14:56 asciilifeform: !s trusting trust

21:14:57 assbot: 10 results for 'trusting trust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trusting+trust

21:14:59 cazalla: i think i need a keyboard fitted with a breathalyzer

21:15:03 decimation: yeah you have linked before

21:15:16 asciilifeform: one of the most well-known experiments in the entire field

21:15:42 asciilifeform: i was genuinely floored when learned for the fist time that there are folks using a computer who have never so much as vaguely heard of it

21:17:26 decimation: well, certainly it could be the case that the compiler is untrustworthy, but much higher on my list of concerns is that some combination of new-jersey syscalls I'm using in my code will stab me in the back

21:17:37 asciilifeform: ^

21:17:40 asciilifeform: almost guaranteed.

21:19:53 decimation: also the link that ben_vulpes dropped about feynman working at thinking machines was interesting. I didn't know he worked there

21:20:03 asciilifeform: it was his 'last hurrah'

21:20:19 asciilifeform: but iirc all that is publicly known about his work there, is in that piece.

21:20:43 decimation: yeah, it sounded to me like he was mostly helping to 'sell' the machines to academic types

21:20:49 decimation: as in 'sales engineer'

21:21:12 asciilifeform: iirc not a single such machine sold to anyone but usg or a directly usg-funded org.

21:21:41 asciilifeform: consider also that the 'connection machine' was not usable at all except as an expansion plug-in to a symbolics lispm

21:21:50 asciilifeform: yes, plugged into a jack in the back

21:22:09 decimation: heh that's amusing

21:23:30 danielpbarron: asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << yay! in related news, i got some links from a guy in #olimex who tackled this problem back in 2013; haven't checked it out yet / just got back from stocking up for the impending snow storm

21:23:46 asciilifeform: which problem

21:24:14 danielpbarron: the netbsd ramdisk thing

21:24:35 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the trick is to run nbmake-evbarm from your TOOLS path, rather than nbmake

21:24:40 asciilifeform: this is not documented.

21:24:57 asciilifeform: then ramdisk gets built

21:25:17 asciilifeform: (the default one. still need to cut unnecessary crud from it)

21:25:34 asciilifeform: next problem is how to get it to automatically bake into the kernel .ub image during build.

21:26:01 decimation: lol apple https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=02202015a "Beginning May 1, 2015, new Mac apps and app updates submitted to the Mac App Store may no longer use garbage collection, which was deprecated in OS X Mountain Lion."

21:26:02 assbot: Mac Apps That Use Garbage Collection Must Move to ARC - News and Updates - Apple Developer ... ( http://bit.ly/17FUEBC )

21:28:34 punkman: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/02/accused-british-hacker-wanted-for-crimes-in-us-wont-give-up-crypto-keys/

21:28:36 assbot: Accused British hacker, wanted for crimes in US, won’t give up crypto keys | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/17FV9LU )

21:34:07 nubbins`: re: ramdisk awwwwww yeah!

21:34:57 nubbins`: asciilifeform this'll work on purple and blue units, yeah?

21:35:30 asciilifeform: nubbins`: in principle

21:36:19 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'll just have it probe (and if doesn't find blockchain, format) the largest mass storage device found at boot

21:36:25 asciilifeform: on whatever interface

21:36:45 asciilifeform: in the purple unit, that'll necessarily be a usb drive

21:37:00 asciilifeform: on black pogo4 (what i have) - sata

21:37:16 nubbins`: nod

21:37:55 ben_vulpes: hola trinque

21:38:17 asciilifeform: incidentally

21:38:24 asciilifeform: there's no reason why we can't do an x86 build of this

21:38:26 asciilifeform: 'bitcoinbios'

21:38:36 asciilifeform: rom-able a la 'corebios' (formerly 'linuxbios')

21:40:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10382 @ 0.00041302 = 4.288 BTC [+] {3}

21:40:16 danielpbarron: s/black/purple/ they are both black; one has blue logo, other has purple logo, which is removed with the cap that covers sata port

21:41:13 asciilifeform: for some reason i thought the question was about the 'pink pogo'

21:41:26 asciilifeform: which has a somewhat different shape, and no sata port

21:41:45 asciilifeform: it also (curiously) costs more

21:41:49 asciilifeform: but is more widely available

21:42:51 fluffypony: decimation: I don't get what's lol about that, .NET faces the same issue (as have many high-level abstractions / languages), whereby trying to force GC collections or modify GC behaviour invariably ends up being messy. Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system is way, way better than GC bullshit.

21:43:52 fluffypony: also their transition doc has a 2013 timestamp, so if developers have taken 2 years to cotton on to changes then wtf, they should choose a different career

21:44:25 fluffypony: API stability != complete API freeze forever, and the same goes for patterns and practices

21:44:41 asciilifeform: ahahaha no.

21:44:51 asciilifeform: fuck centrally imposed 'practices'

21:45:04 fluffypony: yes, let's all decentralise all of the things

21:45:05 fluffypony: fuck off

21:45:08 asciilifeform: i routinely build code from 20 yrs ago.

21:45:11 asciilifeform: and it runs.

21:45:16 fluffypony: you're amazing, asciilifeform

21:45:16 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

21:45:34 fluffypony: but your rhetoric is boring

21:45:36 asciilifeform: now it isn't on c/unix. that'd require magic tough

21:45:42 fluffypony: and your reliance on ancient is overdone

21:45:44 fluffypony: we get it

21:45:52 fluffypony: old is good, new is bad

21:46:08 fluffypony: but not all new is bad.

21:46:10 fluffypony: get over it.

21:46:19 asciilifeform: new can be a pleasure if done for some actual reason and not because a monkey changed the label on a knob

21:46:33 asciilifeform: requiring everyone to drop everything and 'get into compliance'

21:46:36 fluffypony: sure, GC -> ARC is changing the label on a knob

21:46:39 fluffypony: Apple is bad, Android is good

21:46:44 fluffypony: but GWBASIC is best.

21:46:47 fluffypony: etc. etc.

21:46:51 asciilifeform: gwbasic lol

21:46:57 fluffypony: the circlejerk gets old after a while

21:47:19 asciilifeform: android works in much the same way as apple's regime, iirc

21:47:33 *: asciilifeform not involved with either, cannot say for certain

21:49:25 asciilifeform: fluffypony: i can easily see how you might have arrived at this, but you must be ~111th one in a row to think that i like 'old' for sake of old

21:49:48 fluffypony: it was directed generally, not at you specifically

21:50:12 asciilifeform: but this is actually a popular hate mail subject

21:50:20 fluffypony: the rejection of every abstraction, every high-level language, simply because it makes things slightly easier

21:50:24 fluffypony: at the cost of X

21:50:40 asciilifeform: fluffypony: my particular favourite language (cl) is as high level as it gets.

21:51:07 asciilifeform: (short of chimeras in the vein of 'prolog' where anything you cook up is likely to be asking machine np-complete questions)

21:55:43 punkman: fluffypony: don't tell us you love systemd now :P

21:56:23 fluffypony: hah

21:57:27 asciilifeform: now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag. fluffypony, it appears, is sitting in barrack where what-happens-in-apple-os-matters. i'm in one where they use weird zimbabwe money. etc. but being in jail doesn't mean you have to -like- it and deny the existence of outside.

21:57:50 *: fluffypony loves Zimbabwe

21:57:54 fluffypony: pity about their moneyh

22:04:18 decimation: fluffypony: what about rhodesia?

22:04:59 decimation: my original 'lol' was because I see 'centrally imposed' memory management as worse than garbage collection

22:05:17 decimation: but it is understandable why apple would want it on their c-machines

22:05:36 fluffypony: my mum was born in the then-christened Rhodesia

22:05:40 asciilifeform: the 'centrally imposed' i was speaking of was the 'apple says -shit-, devs answer -what colour-' one

22:05:40 fluffypony: ah well

22:05:52 *: fluffypony mehs

22:05:56 fluffypony: Linux is centrally controlled

22:06:08 decimation: the kernel is, yes

22:06:12 fluffypony: Linux says -shit-, everyone answers -what colour-

22:06:14 fluffypony: yes

22:06:16 decimation: userland is trying to usurp it

22:06:24 asciilifeform: but how often linus commands 'shit'

22:06:33 asciilifeform: last time was in the 2.4 - 2.6 transition, really

22:06:44 decimation: he's getting kinda old and tired frankly

22:06:52 fluffypony: so Apple is saying -shit- about a language, and fuck, it's their language (inasmuch as they're the only ones still using it)

22:07:05 danielpbarron: my portugese speaking american samoan born connecticut raised friend apparently had an aunt that owned land in rodesia (phew what a mouth full)

22:07:10 decimation: fluffypony: apple has been pulling this kind of thing for decades

22:07:26 fluffypony: decimation: so it doesn't affect non-Apple-users

22:07:27 decimation: the world's greatest thing that solves all the problems becomes the 'deprecated feature' 3 years later

22:07:34 fluffypony: or non-Apple-developers

22:07:40 fluffypony: and the hate circlejerk is boring

22:07:43 decimation: fluffypony: well, no

22:08:05 fluffypony: hey I know, let's complain about how Coinbase is ruining Bitcoin with their centralisation!

22:08:10 fluffypony: that's not been done, right?

22:08:12 asciilifeform: l0l

22:08:12 decimation: it's an interesting specimen for folks to study

22:08:22 fluffypony: it's fucking boring

22:08:44 asciilifeform: fluffypony: the pill against coinbase is precisely the same as the one against apple: 'don't do it'

22:09:12 fluffypony: asciilifeform: precisely, but *everyone in this room already knows*

22:10:33 fluffypony: it becomes a circlejerk when "preaching to the choir" devolves, and here we are

22:23:00 ben_vulpes: fluffypony: don't disturb the cult!

22:23:05 ben_vulpes: we must all sing in harmony.

22:23:10 ben_vulpes: shun the nonbeliever.

22:26:00 *: decimation wishes to shun nobody, but is somewhat mystified about how to discern between tidbits of data that relate to long-running discussions and 'boring' 'preaching to the choir'

22:43:30 ben_vulpes: dude ruby what the ever loving fuck

22:44:36 ben_vulpes: i am tempted to make a vm for this ruby project.

22:44:49 ben_vulpes: because seriously sudo install libs to system?

22:44:51 ben_vulpes: fuck off!

22:45:48 asciilifeform: in other news,

22:45:51 asciilifeform: netbsd on pogo.

22:45:57 asciilifeform: with arbitrary whatever in ramdisk.

22:47:26 mats: http://www.devopsbookmarks.com

22:47:27 assbot: DevOps Bookmarks ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxhcGn )

22:49:44 danielpbarron: i'm still trying to get that to work

22:50:50 decimation: asciilifeform: does this mean you installed on the pogo's nand flash?

22:51:32 jurov: remind me to revisit this back in 10 years ...whether fluffypony will still endorse such changes (or apple at all) by then

22:55:05 *: nubbins` prepares to cheer

22:55:16 nubbins`: apple? best bsd box i ever owned

22:55:44 *: nubbins` cackles shrilly

22:56:17 nubbins`: hm

22:56:20 nubbins`: shrillishly?

22:56:27 nubbins`: shrillly definitely isn't right

23:01:37 jurov: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/21/a-feast-of-engineering-whats-really-in-your-food

23:02:06 jurov: til about the " fresh ready to eat" salads

23:02:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16597 @ 0.0004344 = 7.2097 BTC [+]

23:02:22 ben_vulpes: neat, mats

23:05:09 decimation: jurov: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/01/greg_page_on_fo.html < related

23:05:10 assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxjmWw )

23:05:54 mats: convention for fake food huh

23:07:43 ben_vulpes: decimation: thanks for the econtalk recommendation

23:09:18 decimation: yeah, the next episode he interviews taleb on gmos

23:09:31 decimation: actually the cargill guy was not super-pro gmo

23:09:51 decimation: I didn't even know cargill was the biggest private company in the us

23:10:27 decimation: "Guest: One, we could feed the world without GMOs; there are other practices that we could follow. So the idea that we are prisoners of this technology I think is something that should be dispelled. On the other hand, I don't think we should try that. I think if our water is precious, if our topsoil is precious, if we really care about the hydrocarbon footprint that we have in terms of the amount of cultivation that we need to carry

23:10:29 decimation: out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering."

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23:14:08 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, is this the same documentation you've been looking at? -> http://www.netbsd.org/docs/kernel/porting_netbsd_arm_soc.html

23:14:10 assbot: NetBSD Documentation: Porting NetBSD to a new ARM SoC ... ( http://bit.ly/17mdhuC )

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23:51:21 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] it's really not hard to block. but domestic isps = blockheads. << hurr durr

23:55:21 mircea_popescu: aha ?

23:55:30 mircea_popescu: you threatenin me ?!

23:56:30 mircea_popescu: in other news, car upskirt http://40.media.tumblr.com/13e662976dbcb63c57b5183056a60fc4/tumblr_n9f219yd4L1rx7eu1o1_1280.jpg

23:56:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/17mgYjJ )

23:59:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << o hey wd. what was the catch ?