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Transcript for 21-05-2014, 1399 lines:

00:00:18 benkay: a contract covering work for pay is an interesting beast. should it include an address for payment so that when published in the event of breach anyone can verify that payment was not made?

00:00:37 benkay: this is a purely theoretical question.

00:00:53 mircea_popescu: up to the parties.

00:01:06 mircea_popescu: it's a field in which a lot of experimental work still has to be poured before we really know

00:01:14 benkay: and jurov how dare you intimate that anyone sent me any btc?! i live in the states! they'd put me in the gasenwagen!

00:01:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0220031 = 0.22 BTC [-]

00:01:33 benkay: i disavow receipt of any btc.

00:04:22 danielpbarron: i include the address in the signed contract for exactly that reason

00:06:18 benkay: hey princess.

00:06:22 benkay: !up hecate

00:06:31 benkay: handles are getting creative.

00:10:44 benkay: are there any -assets blessed crypto-only exchanges?

00:11:21 benkay: !up princessnell

00:11:27 princessnell: ty

00:12:02 mircea_popescu: !up hecate

00:12:04 princessnell: have u seen this gem? http://pastebin.com/Zt7fBtRp

00:12:04 assbot: Open letter to federal scum - Pastebin.com

00:12:09 benkay: d'oh

00:12:16 mircea_popescu: princessnell yes.

00:12:49 mircea_popescu: what the fuck does that mean, another 30 minutes

00:14:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0220031 = 0.22 BTC [-]

00:15:11 benkay: princessnell: is that real life?

00:16:23 princessnell: benkay 'if you see it in MOTHERBOARD, it's so'

00:17:00 artifexd: I could really use some advice. I find myself in a position that I, honestly, never expected.

00:17:16 artifexd: The company for which I work is being bought.

00:17:43 artifexd: It is a small company. Less than 20 people.

00:18:11 artifexd: Any thoughts or advice for me? Is there any extra information I can provide that would help get better advice?

00:20:36 mircea_popescu: off twitter : Her: ?Will you try a veggie burger for lunch?? Me: ?Sure, if the bun's made out of steak.?

00:20:59 mircea_popescu: artifexd you could help a lot by explaining what exactly are you trying to get advice for

00:21:11 dignork: artifexd: M&A is fun, if you are bought by a bigger company, try to inflate your position now, might get moar money

00:21:16 mircea_popescu: sleeping with the acquirer's wife ? keeping your red stapler ? how to cook a veggie burger with a steak bun ?

00:21:35 artifexd: That's the thing. I don't know what advice I need.

00:21:45 mircea_popescu: well are you trying to solve any particular problem ?

00:22:00 mircea_popescu: do you have any sort of goal ?

00:22:04 mircea_popescu: help us out here lol

00:22:16 artifexd: Goal.... thinking...

00:22:39 artifexd: Goal number 1: As much money in a lump payment as possible.

00:22:40 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I wanna know how to cook a veggie burger with a steak bun, sounds tasty.

00:23:13 artifexd: Goal number 2: Maintain the autonomy that I have enjoyed for the last few years.

00:23:28 artifexd: Goal number 3: A raise.

00:23:56 artifexd: I figure the lump sum payment I get from stock options is already set, right?

00:24:58 dignork: artifexd: stock options, check taxing, you might want to hold them off

00:25:49 artifexd: How? Until when?

00:26:47 artifexd: It isn't an amount that will make me independently wealthy, but it will greatly improve my current situation.

00:26:49 dignork: artifexd: i'm not a real accountant :), but you should consult one, move to IRA maybe, dunno.

00:27:34 artifexd: "Inflate my position" What does that mean? The company is small enough that everyone knows my contributions.

00:28:24 dignork: for a larger company, your previous "rank" might change your salary, so in your interests to achieve highest rank possible

00:29:10 dignork: it's a game though, if you are too high-ranked, they might fire you, due to position duplicity

00:29:44 dignork: so don't be a CFO for example

00:30:29 artifexd: If it makes a difference, I'm a programmer/coder/developer. My official (self-appointed) title is "Deviser and Artifex".

00:30:34 mircea_popescu: artifexd listen, you need to hire a tax attorney at this point.

00:30:46 mircea_popescu: there's no way you can get pertinent advice without the details.

00:31:04 artifexd: That *is* good advice.

00:31:04 mircea_popescu: blow a few grand on hiring someone, it';s the right time to do it.

00:31:22 mircea_popescu: you'll discover, even if you overpay today, you'll discover in time you wouldn't have undone it.

00:31:54 artifexd: Correction: That *is* pertinent advice.

00:32:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.0042 = 1.26 BTC [-] {2}

00:33:24 mircea_popescu: and other than that, have an open and relaxed negotiation strategy. tell the acquirer's expert that you aren't interested in anything but a position with the authonomy you enjoyed previously, and they can let you know.

00:35:19 artifexd: Any recommendations for what to ask them? I mean, what are things that are in question when one company acquires another? For example, it didn't even occur to me that my salary would change, as mentioned by dignork

00:35:44 mike_c: is the sale a good thing or is it because the company is struggling?

00:36:38 artifexd: A good thing.

00:36:39 dignork: artifexd: some larger company have lame rules defining allowed salalry limits per rank, hope your case would be different

00:36:51 dignork: company=companies

00:37:09 artifexd: It has long been the stated goal of our ceo to get bought.

00:37:26 artifexd: "Long" meaning "since I came onboard"

00:37:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf, how do you 'patch secret bug' in open source product ?!

00:38:25 benkay: %b

00:38:29 benkay: %t

00:38:34 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 187 Ask: 277 Last Price: 278 24h-Vol: 128k High: 280 Low: 159 VWAP: 188

00:38:43 asciilifeform: what did they have to smoke for this to make sense?

00:40:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nm that.

00:40:53 mircea_popescu: official core devs !!1

00:41:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: ssd - if there were a hardware raid that worked well with ssd of some description (or, for that matter, vice-versa) i would buy it. on account of hating spindle noise.

00:41:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno what your noise issue is man, i used to live with the large ventilated felix

00:41:50 mircea_popescu: sort-of like a large mining rig, except more useless.

00:42:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 203 @ 0.00420001 = 0.8526 BTC [+]

00:42:12 asciilifeform: why not simply connect the extant ones? basic problem is that ssd units from same batch tend to die in unison, when used in just about any variant of raid (why - exercise for reader)

00:43:36 mircea_popescu: this is why you don't use same-manuf for ssds

00:43:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: live with the large ventilated felix << http://www.nzeldes.com/HOC/IronFelix.htm ???!

00:43:43 assbot: "Iron Felix" meets the Odhner calculator

00:44:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no lol, this closet sized pdp-clone wannabe

00:44:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47925 BTC [-]

00:45:02 mircea_popescu: apparently it doesn't even exist on the internet it was so sikrit

00:45:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.095 = 0.57 BTC [+]

00:45:50 mircea_popescu: http://isabellelorelai.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/1cifa1.jpg

00:45:52 mircea_popescu: there you go

00:46:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol! who even knows how many soviet pdp.

00:46:53 mircea_popescu: this was actually homebrew, originally made by the atomic physics folks at magurele

00:47:02 mircea_popescu: eventually it just became a toy for students to play with

00:47:18 mircea_popescu: but anyway. loud. who cares!

00:47:23 asciilifeform: how'd you end up sleeping on (in? with?) it ?

00:47:43 mircea_popescu: cause it was in the physics lab and i was sleepy

00:47:50 asciilifeform: aha

00:47:58 mircea_popescu: they had this huge round air vent thing, kinda comfortable to sit in

00:49:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/05/20_this-is-why-distributed-exchanges-are-doomed-to-failure.html

00:49:25 assbot: this is why distributed exchanges are doomed to failure

00:50:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, decay experiments, i dunno if you know, are - or were ? - this particular brand of evil.

00:50:47 mircea_popescu: "well, by midnight we should have about twelve ticks or so"

00:50:59 mircea_popescu: time's 11:30 and the thing ticked once...

00:51:11 mircea_popescu: come to think about it, quite exactly like mining.

00:51:17 asciilifeform: lol yes. i did much the same thing, in a vastly different context (scintillation counter, bio. assay)

00:51:46 asciilifeform: re: fans/spindles: i know folks of two opposing schools of thought re: comp noise. variant 1 - powerful machine, must sing, like 'harley davidson'; variant 2 - want quiet, like german bmw, not air-cooled 'trabant'

00:52:01 mircea_popescu: ya i guess im more like 1

00:52:01 asciilifeform: (i'm with '2')

00:52:06 mircea_popescu: heretic

00:52:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you'd really love my Symbolics 3620 then.

00:52:55 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Măgurele << romania's version of cheliabinks

00:52:56 assbot: Mgurele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:52:58 asciilifeform: unambiguous 'harley'

00:55:08 asciilifeform: (for those innocent: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/22982/Symbolics-3620 )

00:55:08 assbot: Symbolics 3620 - Computing History

00:56:55 mircea_popescu: pity it never caught on

00:57:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually an interesting historical topic. these people never wanted to 'catch on' in the modern sense

00:57:37 asciilifeform: they made 'ferraris', so to speak

00:57:46 asciilifeform: then the only folks who could afford them - went broke.

00:58:06 mircea_popescu: i suspect the problem had a lot more to do with them being plagued by bob becks than anything intentional.

00:58:09 asciilifeform: (reagan's 'star wars' and the associated pig trough)

00:58:35 asciilifeform: there's a paper floating about for many years, arguing that SMBX died of gross mismanagement

00:59:18 mircea_popescu: sounds credible to me.

00:59:36 asciilifeform: and here's weinreb (recently deceased. one of the founders) on death of same.

00:59:37 asciilifeform: http://danweinreb.org/blog/why-did-symbolics-fail

00:59:38 assbot: Why Did Symbolics Fail? | Software and Innovation

01:00:21 mircea_popescu: weinreb's passing actually makes me think about the following

01:00:27 mircea_popescu: suppose the year is 2215.

01:00:37 asciilifeform: i used to be a quasi-serious student of the subject of 'why smbx dead' - until i realized that i'm getting nowhere, everyone i want to talk to is buried.

01:00:43 mircea_popescu: willy-nilly the various blogs left by various people important in 2015, if still extant,

01:01:05 mircea_popescu: have gone through a long list of conservatorships and whatnot

01:01:21 mircea_popescu: this isn't something we're really too apt to handle, the material published on their own blogs by meanwhile long dead people

01:01:26 mircea_popescu: i wonder how will it work out

01:01:43 asciilifeform: naggum's material comes to mind as one example

01:01:56 asciilifeform: (no real organization, but encyclopaedic completeness at least)

01:01:56 mircea_popescu: right. the time's advanced enough for this problem to start showing at the edges

01:02:00 mircea_popescu: in a way it didn't in say 1994.

01:02:07 mircea_popescu: soon it'll become quite massive.

01:02:44 mircea_popescu: i mean even the notion of a blog is maybe 20 years old tops. that's within reasonable lifespan.

01:02:50 mircea_popescu: but approaching the cusp

01:02:53 asciilifeform: the problem is made somewhat more dire by the fact that the folks traditionally interested in the subject ('library sciences' types) - as i understand - didn't make the jump to electronics really

01:03:13 mircea_popescu: nor do they have any sort of a clue as to how and why and what and so on

01:03:29 mircea_popescu: we're perhaps approaching a strange "collapse of the roman empire" situation from an entirely different angle

01:04:12 asciilifeform: ted nelson (for all his faults) predicted this very same thing, in the 1960s

01:04:19 mircea_popescu: "At the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab, fifteen researchers shared a computer with a .001 GHz CPU and .002 GB of main memory."

01:04:25 mircea_popescu: gotta love the guy's style.

01:05:02 mircea_popescu: "We had great success amongst primary customers. I think we could have found a lot more of them if our marketing had been better. For example, did you know that Symbolics had a world-class software development environment for Fortran, C, Ada, and other popular languages, with amazing semantics-understanding in the editor, a powerful debugger, the ability for the languages to call each other, and so on? We put a lot of

01:05:02 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:05:02 mircea_popescu: work into those, but they were never publicized or advertised."

01:05:15 mircea_popescu: ok, i win. bob beck sunk symbolix.

01:05:23 asciilifeform: wtf is a bob beck

01:05:38 asciilifeform: bob the goatfucker ?

01:06:19 mircea_popescu: " We at Symbolics were slow to acknowledge this. We believed our own ?dogma? even as it became less true. It was embedded in our corporate culture. If you disputed it, your co-workers felt that you ?just didn?t get it? and weren?t a member of the clan, so to speak. This stifled objective analysis. (This is a very easy problem to fall into ? don?t let it happen to you!)"

01:06:20 mircea_popescu: heh.

01:06:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck/

01:06:27 assbot: The public burning of Bob Beck pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:06:35 asciilifeform: aha!

01:06:57 asciilifeform: re: weibreb's style...

01:07:10 *: asciilifeform dusts off his copy of the Chinanual

01:07:13 asciilifeform: http://imagizer.imageshack.us/scaled/landing/875/ayjgar.jpg

01:07:23 mircea_popescu: Also, a lot of Symbolics sales were based on the promise of rule-based expert systems, of which the early examples were written in Lisp. Rule-based expert systems are a fine thing, and are widely used today (but often not in Lisp). But they were tremendously over-hyped by certain academics and by their industry, resulting in a huge backlash around 1988. ?Artificial Intelligence? fell out of favor; the ?AI Winter

01:07:23 mircea_popescu: ? had arrived. << yeah.

01:07:25 asciilifeform: (aka 'chinual')

01:07:34 mircea_popescu: they mismanaged pretty much every aspect of market dominance.

01:08:03 mircea_popescu: one should make a jobs vs noftsker case study

01:09:26 asciilifeform: titanically great product (to the point that, imho, it has never been equalled) but they rode a very particular wave of bezzola, ended up going down with it.

01:09:31 mircea_popescu: course... i seem to also remember some massive rms drama

01:09:38 asciilifeform: mostly in head of rms

01:09:46 mircea_popescu: isn;t it all ?

01:09:56 asciilifeform: http://danweinreb.org/blog/rebuttal-to-stallmans-story-about-the-formation-of-symbolics-and-lmi

01:09:57 assbot: Rebuttal to Stallmans Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI | Software and Innovation

01:10:26 mircea_popescu: "Meanwhile, back at Symbolics, there were huge internal management conflicts, leading to the resignation of much of top management, who were replaced by the board of directors with new CEO?s who did not do a good job" i dunno..

01:11:15 mircea_popescu: "Symbolics signed long-term leases on big new offices and a new factory, anticipating growth that did not come, and were unable to sublease the properties due to office-space gluts, which drained a great deal of money."

01:11:21 mircea_popescu: the only missing ingredient so far heh.

01:12:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

01:14:02 mircea_popescu: "or example, remember that the first viable Windows O/S, release 3.1, came out in in 1990"

01:14:05 mircea_popescu: wait, 3.1 was viable ?!

01:14:10 mircea_popescu: in what sense of viability lol

01:14:33 asciilifeform: viable in the butugychag sense. you can live there for a bit...

01:14:47 asciilifeform: with external prodding.

01:15:20 asciilifeform: so, can live, with steady supply of inmates

01:15:41 mircea_popescu: right.

01:20:01 mircea_popescu: "And while I?m setting the record straight, the original (TECO-based) Emacs was created and designed by Guy L. Steele Jr. and David Moon. After they had it working, and it had become established as the standard text editor at the AI lab, Stallman took over its maintenance."

01:20:02 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

01:20:08 mircea_popescu: so THIS is the actual root of the emacs wars ?

01:20:18 asciilifeform: this is a fairly well-known fact (i thought)

01:20:51 mircea_popescu: well not by me

01:20:55 []bot: Bet created: Cardano to Ship in 2014 (http://bitbet.us/bet/859/)

01:21:06 mircea_popescu: (granted, my interest in this sort of minutia is faint)

01:21:17 mircea_popescu: o look at that asciilifeform... not a whole lot of confidence.

01:21:33 asciilifeform: lol

01:23:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the bob beck thing is epic

01:23:31 asciilifeform: where do they even get them.

01:23:40 mircea_popescu: quite

01:23:48 mircea_popescu: i'll tell you :

01:24:08 mircea_popescu: there's these things people like doing, like say rubbing their scrotum. and then there's these other things people don't like doing, like cooking and cleanning.

01:24:22 mircea_popescu: clearly thus therefore cooking and cleanning is stupid, and definitely not something one should learn or study or do well

01:24:42 mircea_popescu: because nobody ever has to put effort where they already suck, because they don't suck, it's just the problem that's unworthy of attention.

01:24:57 mircea_popescu: and so they end up with the stupidest contributor doing the most important parts : interfacing with the world.

01:25:13 mircea_popescu: it is very easy to interface with a computer : it's pinned down in place, mechanical and stupider than you.

01:25:33 mircea_popescu: it is insanely difficult to interface with the world, mostly because the world is principally made out of people smarter than you will ever be.

01:25:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'любишь кататься люби и саночки возить' (proverb. 'like sledding? like pulling sled then, too.'

01:25:36 mircea_popescu: and so... bob beck.

01:33:57 moiety: I'm turning in, night everyone :]

01:40:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.095 = 0.285 BTC [+]

01:44:35 mircea_popescu: "The Economist @TheEconomist ? 2h The far-right may triumph in the EU parliament elections but they won't achieve much there"

01:44:46 mircea_popescu: dude im so fucking sick of the left spin

01:45:26 mircea_popescu: how about the right accomplishes firing your wife, dear economist, from her "womens studies" uni position ?

01:50:37 mircea_popescu: !up RepentOrPerish

01:51:09 F40PH: yo

01:55:49 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Cardano to Ship in 2014 (http://bitbet.us/bet/859/)". Odds: 98(Y):2(N) by coin, 98(Y):2(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,989.

02:00:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46500005 = 0.93 BTC [-] {2}

02:01:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 45 @ 0.0220031 = 0.9901 BTC [-]

02:02:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.03214332 = 1.9286 BTC [-] {11}

02:03:51 F40PH: !ops

02:03:56 F40PH: no ops function?

02:04:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.03300804 = 1.3863 BTC [+] {5}

02:08:00 F40PH: nooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

02:08:33 Apocalyptic: !down F40PH

02:08:48 thestringpuller: ident first

02:08:52 Azelphur: !down F40PH

02:08:54 Azelphur: I helped

02:08:55 Apocalyptic: thx Azelphur

02:13:27 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

02:13:29 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.79, Best ask: 494.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 494.58, 24 hour volume: 29696.05623876, 24 hour low: 447.63, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.724107341

02:22:48 []bot: Bet placed: 50 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment (http://bitbet.us/bet/786/)". Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 1307.03879007 BTC. Current weight: 80,465.

02:26:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1020 @ 0.0041 = 4.182 BTC [-]

02:28:23 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/468941331696734208

02:28:24 assbot: New study: Hiring managers do not value Liberal Arts degree, said "no degree" would be better: http://t.co/5oWByf23ey (yikes?)

02:28:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47923092 = 2.3962 BTC [+] {4}

02:29:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03949161 = 0.2369 BTC [+] {2}

02:32:05 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

02:32:06 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.67, Best ask: 496.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.83000, Last trade: 496.5, 24 hour volume: 29266.10215098, 24 hour low: 451.01, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.739040274

02:33:49 artifexd: Idea for a bet: Total bet on 786 to exceed 2500BTC

02:34:48 mircea_popescu: too easy to manipulate tho

02:35:35 mircea_popescu: for that matter, 2.5k is certain

02:35:46 mircea_popescu: 25k moar like a good bar

02:35:47 artifexd: Sure. If you have that kind of cheddar to throw around, sure.

02:35:58 artifexd: Seriously?

02:36:00 mircea_popescu: there's 12mn bitcoins mined./

02:36:57 artifexd: That would make for a nice S.BBET dividend.

02:37:03 mircea_popescu: yes seriously. look at say http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/

02:37:04 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 :: 1750.25 B (93%) on Yes, 136.67 B (7%) on No | closed 3 months 3 weeks ago

02:37:26 mircea_popescu: most volume was in january, not in november.

02:37:49 mircea_popescu: i'd guess the berkshire bet will have reached half its total bet sum sometime this autumn

03:08:12 benkay: o hey bra

03:08:33 benkay: boo. finger macro fail.

03:14:48 thestringpuller: benkay: is a benkay

03:14:56 thestringpuller: cascade

03:15:18 thestringpuller: i feel like that's an anagram that is going over my head

03:24:21 benkay: ;;ticker

03:24:22 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.02, Best ask: 493.62, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 26225.50220859, 24 hour low: 454.38, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.830339419

03:28:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0220031 = 0.264 BTC [-]

03:30:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00420006 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}

03:33:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.0229989 = 0.437 BTC [+]

03:40:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 27 @ 0.03949984 = 1.0665 BTC [+] {2}

03:41:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.095 = 0.855 BTC [+]

03:51:49 benkay: ;;ticker

03:51:50 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.75, Best ask: 494.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 25806.57301911, 24 hour low: 454.38, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.842344556

03:52:32 benkay: ;;ticker --market all

03:52:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 494.0, vol: 25806.57301911 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 481.2, vol: 16732.93168 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 495.24, vol: 19831.56670882 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 499.0, vol: 129.10944697 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 489.076903, vol: 5655.75180000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 493.79, vol: 24.98197601 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 482.880017, vol: 176.91035795 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

04:09:57 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/tuurdemeester/status/468928183145103362

04:09:58 assbot: 66% of Dutch want old currency the Guilder back. Mere 26% supports status quo of Netherlands as member of EU. http://t.co/rlboTfPV16

04:10:58 bitcoinpete: burn dat paper

04:11:09 bitcoinpete: http://rt.com/usa/160216-weev-invoice-fed-bitcoin/

04:11:41 bitcoinpete: "For the 13 months he spent at Allenwood Federal Correctional Complex and the span he spent before then awaiting trial, Auernheimer is asking the government to pay his current market-determined rate of 1 BTC an hour, amounting to 28,296 bitcoins, or $13,200,000 USD as of this writing."

04:12:44 bitcoinpete: Isn't moiety only getting 1 bitcent an hour? and this dude wants 100x that

04:12:47 bitcoinpete: c'mon

04:39:22 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron I'm coming around to the idea that it i probably best to keep your bitcoin wallets away from your nodes.

04:39:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:39:34 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: But Weev is a great freedom fighter.

04:43:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 39 @ 0.03893267 = 1.5184 BTC [-] {5}

04:43:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.095 = 1.9 BTC [+]

04:43:40 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron I also don't think it is possible to build bitcoind/qt on any platform without throwing at least an error.

04:43:41 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:44:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.038115 = 0.343 BTC [-]

05:26:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.095 = 1.045 BTC [+]

05:28:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.03949979 = 0.4345 BTC [+]

05:46:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.47899999 = 4.311 BTC [-] {2}

05:48:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [+]

06:14:37 BingoBoingo: %book

06:18:29 BingoBoingo: https://medium.com/message/81e5f33a24e1

06:18:30 assbot: Everything Is Broken The Message Medium

06:42:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.479 = 1.916 BTC [+]

06:42:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]

06:49:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.03949979 = 0.4345 BTC [+]

07:13:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.03820692 = 1.4137 BTC [-] {8}

07:47:17 fluffypony: http://www.commitstrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Strips-IDE-visual-studio-650-finalenglish.jpg

07:47:37 fluffypony: replace VS with XCode and you have the same issue on OS X

07:50:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.127 BTC [-]

09:18:09 fluffypony: oh!

09:18:11 fluffypony: !up anarkitty

09:18:23 fluffypony: !up anarkitty

09:18:26 fluffypony: there we go

09:18:29 fluffypony: hi anarkitty

09:18:59 fluffypony: I just got your reddit reply...sent 3 hours ago...I should check that more regularly

09:20:00 moiety: morning all :]

09:20:19 fluffypony: moiety: mornings

09:23:35 moiety: scotland has sun! I'm in shock :]

09:24:05 fluffypony: lol

09:44:05 punkman: hawt ;) http://imgur.com/a/X1qKV

09:44:05 assbot: Hotel room fun - Imgur

09:44:29 punkman: guess kitty went to sleep now

09:45:18 fluffypony: ja

09:45:27 fluffypony: well, MP isn't around anyway

09:45:33 fluffypony: will wait for both of them to be up

09:48:51 moiety: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1.0-9/10365770_728914440517290_2533863031457067468_n.jpg

09:49:33 moiety: new satire page Britain Furst

09:50:01 punkman: that's a furst rate turban

09:50:08 fluffypony: lol

09:56:09 pankkake: TradeFortress is now known as "Free hugs! ♥" on scamtalk

09:56:39 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Really?

09:56:53 pankkake: yes really. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135157.msg6850730#msg6850730

09:56:53 assbot: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC

09:57:32 pankkake: goat started the trend, I guess

09:59:09 fluffypony: yeah

09:59:14 fluffypony: he renamed himself

09:59:23 fluffypony: and put "aka Tradefortress" as his description

10:00:26 fluffypony: at least he dropped the BitBet affil link out of his signature

10:01:52 moiety: "His posts seem a tad strange" lol

10:14:32 fluffypony: mircea_popescu

10:14:48 mircea_popescu: sup

10:14:50 fluffypony: anarkitty is in the room - she sent me a message on Reddit 3 hrs ago, so presumably she's asleep now

10:15:14 mircea_popescu: anarkitty hey there

10:15:16 mircea_popescu: !up anarkitty

10:15:23 mircea_popescu: sluts sleep ?!

10:15:26 fluffypony: idle for 4 hours

10:15:46 mircea_popescu: that's long enough then :D

10:16:10 fluffypony: :-P

10:16:15 mircea_popescu: wait idle for 4 hours on webirc and she didn't get cut off ? helluva great connection she's got

10:16:19 mircea_popescu: i thought she was in the us.

10:17:11 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

10:17:12 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.94, Best ask: 494.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 494.94, 24 hour volume: 23878.21163108, 24 hour low: 455.07, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 484.900683671

10:17:24 mircea_popescu: moving up in the world.

10:17:59 fluffypony: yeah, will take a bit of doing to get through the wall at 500

10:18:09 moiety: why do I never get the ping timeout thing? is it my client?

10:18:42 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: Isn't moiety only getting 1 bitcent an hour? and this dude wants 100x that << if people could make a bitcoin/hour sitting in a us prison we'd definitely need to increase the block rewards.

10:18:47 mircea_popescu: moiety yes.

10:19:23 mircea_popescu: ;;seen anarkitty

10:19:23 gribble: I have not seen anarkitty.

10:19:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol so she's just not said anything ?

10:19:42 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: she wasn't voiced

10:19:51 fluffypony: so when she got here and tried to talk...lol...

10:19:57 mircea_popescu: o i c

10:20:16 mircea_popescu: i guess remarkably patient girl then huh.

10:21:27 mircea_popescu: pankkake: TradeFortress is now known as "Free hugs! ♥" on scamtalk << why is it always the scammers that push the purely formal "be nice to people" angle ? o wait! because that's how mimicry works, and that's what they are!

10:25:09 moiety: weev said himself “because it's fucking hilarious to demand money from feds for a McVeigh Memorial grove,” adding “I honestly think we need to build statues of them just to piss off federal agents really.”

10:25:37 moiety: and i still dont believe he is a scammer.

10:26:26 mircea_popescu: who, weev ?

10:29:48 moiety: no tf

10:30:40 mircea_popescu: didn't he run off with a bunch of bitcoinz ?

10:30:52 fluffypony: he "lost" 4200 Bitcoins

10:31:09 moiety: i don't think he did though and i believe he reimbursed what he could out of his own funds

10:31:24 mircea_popescu: ...

10:31:29 mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/tx/eb37287bdebf6b52553f1538e7c46e0ec4f1cd4701d5c17ad9f6047a0fa52814 you mean this ?

10:31:30 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction eb37287bdebf6b52553f1538e7c46e0ec4f1cd4701d5c17ad9f6047a0fa52814

10:31:41 moiety: i wasn't really watching the forum through all of this, i knew him in a different capacity

10:31:45 pankkake: he probably lost them throught CoinLenders. still a scam, running a fractionnal reserve is a scam

10:31:57 mircea_popescu: moiety like... your bf ?

10:32:05 moiety: no lol

10:32:21 moiety: i was a mod at coinchat then he just gave the thing to me when he left

10:32:24 mircea_popescu: pankkake that's easily believable

10:32:33 moiety: cus everyone flipped out when it went offline

10:33:01 mircea_popescu: hardly an argument now is it kitten.

10:33:25 moiety: no, not an argument, just what i feel

10:34:00 mircea_popescu: yeah. the problem is that this take in 4k btc, take a vacation for half a year then come back and split a btc or two to the idiots is really very good business.

10:34:13 mircea_popescu: and if it becomes socially acceptable bitcoin will become entirely sealed off to the poor.

10:34:20 mircea_popescu: even as it is they have a hard time.

10:35:06 moiety: lots of people close due to hacks (whether true or not) and don't reimburse anything

10:35:30 mircea_popescu: and none of them may come back, ever again, in any capacity.

10:35:44 mircea_popescu: sooner or later people will come to the realisation that reputation is worth a helluva lot than money,

10:36:01 mircea_popescu: which was in fact truth, plain as day, for as long as the state was weak and the hansa and its successor guilds ruled supreme.

10:36:26 fluffypony: moiety

10:36:33 fluffypony: the problem is

10:36:47 fluffypony: it's hard to say with any degree of certainty that he didn't con people out

10:36:48 cazalla: tradefortress was on national tv talking about the loss, almost having a laugh

10:36:51 fluffypony: of their Bitcoin

10:36:59 mircea_popescu: cazalla he's an aussie ?

10:37:02 cazalla: yeah

10:37:20 cazalla: well, lives/lived here, probably an asian student

10:37:27 mircea_popescu: o another one huh.

10:37:54 cazalla: i'll see if i can find the recording

10:37:59 mircea_popescu: good idea

10:38:21 cazalla: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-08/bitcoin-site-hacked-founder-says/5078148 audio

10:38:23 assbot: Australian bitcoin user TradeFortress says site hacked, $1 million in virtual currency stolen - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

10:38:29 moiety: i know fluffypony it's just too hard for me to believe that

10:38:48 fluffypony: moiety: let me put it this way

10:38:57 fluffypony: for that amount of money even the most straight-laced individual would have a hard time not wanting to lift a little

10:39:10 fluffypony: and once you've stolen a little it snowballs into "how can I steal the whole lot"

10:39:21 fluffypony: the reason this doesn't happen in big companies is because of the number of people involved

10:39:26 fluffypony: you'd have to collude with so many

10:39:36 mircea_popescu: fluffypony except itdoes happen in big companies.

10:39:39 fluffypony: when you have 1 person holding millions?

10:39:51 mircea_popescu: the only reason it doesn't happen, as long as it doesn't, is that they don't actually have access to it.

10:40:02 mircea_popescu: basic corp governance, nobody may write checks on the corp account.

10:40:10 fluffypony: yes exactly

10:40:17 fluffypony: old school version of multi-sig

10:40:18 fluffypony: :-P

10:40:24 mircea_popescu: not even

10:40:34 mircea_popescu: see, you simply can not write a check. at all. no sig whatsoever

10:40:47 mircea_popescu: corp only pays specific types of things to specific types of people and that's that.

10:41:03 mircea_popescu: which is why random nobodies can't b2b. because for the corp, it's too much like simply being stolen from

10:41:15 mircea_popescu: so you gotta have a big corp to sell overpriced shit to another big corp

10:41:18 mircea_popescu: it's a whole bezzle.

10:41:25 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoingirl

10:42:19 mircea_popescu: this happens to also be why i'm quite so powerful. sure there's other people with money on twitter, VCs or whatnot.

10:42:28 bitcoingirl: Mircea I have some questions for you

10:42:35 mircea_popescu: the difference is that i can write a check for ten millioin dollars to a stripper, if i feel like it

10:42:37 mircea_popescu: they... not.

10:42:54 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl ok but make it quick cause i gotta go to town in a few minutes.

10:43:01 mircea_popescu: or if not, later today.

10:43:08 bitcoingirl: can we go to private chate

10:43:10 bitcoingirl: chat

10:43:16 mircea_popescu: go ahead

10:44:04 bitcoingirl: is it gribble?

10:44:15 mircea_popescu: lol you go /query mircea_popescu nooblet

10:44:44 fluffypony: moiety: and just to re-iterate, I don't know the guy, so I'm not judging his character either way, I'm just saying that *anyone* with sole control over that amount of money would have a tough time staying honest

10:45:48 BingoBoingo: I just can't get over TF losing a decade from his age by becoming insolvent.

10:46:13 fluffypony: lol

10:46:15 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/ONFRysx.jpg

10:46:18 moiety: i totally understand that. I'm the way I am because I didn't know the business of it all, i knew the character and thats why it's so hard for me to believe

10:46:49 cazalla: TF probably finished his degree and like a lot of international students, pull a fast one on credit cards etc etc and piss off back home to avoid paying back the debt

10:46:54 mircea_popescu: !up anarkitty

10:47:14 fluffypony: moiety: whenever someone gets arrested for huge amounts of fraud, pedophilia, whatever, they interview all his neighbours and friends and they're always like "we're so shocked, he's such a nice guy!"

10:47:15 mircea_popescu: cazalla has an excellent theory, i had no idea he's another zhou tong

10:48:24 fluffypony: most of the people I'd trust with any portion of my money are not particularly "nice" people. Approachable, sure, and always reasonable, but not nice by any definition of the term.

10:48:40 mircea_popescu: hey, makes two of us

10:51:11 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

10:51:13 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.68, Best ask: 496.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.97000, Last trade: 494.68, 24 hour volume: 23910.36995140, 24 hour low: 455.2, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 484.977061657

10:54:01 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell anarkitty hey there. ima be out for a few hours, but please don't go anywhere, i wanna talk to you whjen i'm back. you can talk to me directly by going /query mircea_popescu whether you have voice or not.

10:54:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:54:06 bitcoingirl: does anyone have a guess on what drove the price up 10% yesterday?

10:54:44 BingoBoingo: http://gizmodo.com/a-guillotine-on-a-stick-that-lets-you-play-caesar-with-1579134087

10:54:45 assbot: A Guillotine On a Stick That Lets You Play Caesar With Slugs

10:55:41 BingoBoingo: bitcoingirl: It was probably people on twitter telling Gavin to shut up that did it.

10:55:58 bitcoingirl: you sure it wasn't the Fox Business interview?

10:56:30 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: it was rallymoad

10:56:56 fluffypony: the reality is that the market is poised for movement

10:57:20 fluffypony: and then someone tried to start a rally, wasn't massively successful, but it picked up a bit of steam

10:57:30 fluffypony: broke through the wall at 475, and stopped short of breaking through 500

10:57:48 bitcoingirl: how does someone try to start a rally? what did they do exactly to move the market?

10:58:32 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: buy a significant quantity of Bitcoins, setup structured buy walls below market value to create the illusion of demand, all sorts of things can be done to try get it going

10:58:43 fluffypony: the market either reacts or it doesn't

10:58:54 fluffypony: and it can turn on them just as quickly as succeed

10:59:08 bitcoingirl: what are buy walls?

10:59:19 fluffypony: still, at 3 day scale the MACD looks promising

10:59:46 chetty: http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2014/05/20/charles-plosser-thinks-theres-a-ticking-time-bomb-at-the-fed/

10:59:47 assbot: Charles Plosser thinks there’s a ticking time bomb at the Fed - Capitol Report - MarketWatch

11:00:03 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: like if someone puts up a bunch of offers to buy Bitcoin at $450 each totalling $200k, when the market is at $460, that's a buy wall

11:00:23 fluffypony: it can make sellers move their offers up higher because they think it's an indicator of demand

11:00:48 fluffypony: but it can also backfire and people can sell into the buy wall faster than the trader can pull it

11:01:20 BingoBoingo: Trying to shape supply and demand can be a way to lose a lot of money quickly though.

11:01:33 fluffypony: ^^

11:01:41 bitcoingirl: and where was this happening yesterday?

11:01:57 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: the movement started on Bitstamp

11:02:47 bitcoingirl: and where was this happening yesterday??

11:02:57 fluffypony: wait, didn't I just answer that?

11:03:04 bitcoingirl: yes sorry

11:03:14 bitcoingirl: where would you monitor the price if your trading on bitstamp

11:03:33 fluffypony: lots of traders have tools they've bought / built / whatever

11:03:38 fluffypony: for the casual observer such as myself

11:03:39 fluffypony: https://bitcoinwisdom.com

11:03:39 assbot: BitcoinWisdom - Live Bitcoin/Litecoin charts

11:04:00 fluffypony: use a 3d or 1d (3 day / 1 day) scale to get a more macrocosmic view

11:04:11 fluffypony: and in Settings turn the MACD indicator on

11:04:22 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

11:04:28 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 497.0, vol: 23912.05813220 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 486.66, vol: 13113.52364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 495.4, vol: 18927.31535076 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 500.38, vol: 116.33922507 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 492.354216, vol: 5361.20070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 490.84583, vol: 24.23311087 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 495.9725, vol: 200.09617222 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

11:04:31 BingoBoingo: ;;more

11:04:31 gribble: 493.906224162

11:05:11 bitcoingirl: what is this gribble that keeps coming up?

11:05:21 fluffypony: especially at a 3 day scale the MACD seems to indicate that some upward movement is due...or it'll just settle back down

11:05:24 fluffypony: the market is a fickle beast

11:05:33 BingoBoingo: bitcoingirl: It's a bot that reports information.

11:05:41 BingoBoingo: It also manages the Web of Trust

11:05:58 bitcoingirl: and how is it useful?

11:06:16 moiety: saves you roaming around, you can do a lot in-channel

11:06:31 bitcoingirl: sorry if these seem like dumb questions - I'm just jumping in WOT

11:06:39 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot moiety

11:06:40 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user moiety: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014

11:06:48 moiety: how?

11:06:48 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: which part, the market info from gribble?

11:06:53 moiety: urgh

11:07:05 bitcoingirl: right all these prices and volumes

11:07:27 BingoBoingo: assbot is the other useful bot

11:07:33 BingoBoingo: !t glbse nyan

11:07:33 assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.

11:07:47 BingoBoingo: !t m s.nsa

11:07:47 assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00013 / 0.00013 / 0.00013 (3150 shares, 0.41 BTC), 30D: 0.00013 / 0.00014409 / 0.00015 (11359 shares, 1.64 BTC)

11:07:51 bitcoingirl: what does that mean ^^

11:08:14 moiety: ;;ident

11:08:15 gribble: Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None

11:08:29 moiety: gribble must have had a huff while i was asleep?

11:08:36 BingoBoingo: assbot pulls up tickers for various bitcoin related assets

11:08:37 fluffypony: moiety: probably

11:08:55 BingoBoingo: It also manages voice in channel

11:08:59 BingoBoingo: !up Periscope

11:09:01 bitcoingirl: got it.

11:09:11 moiety: i usually check ident when i wake up too, and this morning i just thought, nah it'll be fine lol

11:09:16 bitcoingirl: if i want to short BTC, what would be a good strategy?

11:10:50 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: every time I've tried doing any sort of short-term trading I've lost money...I'd avoid that space unless you have tons of experience

11:11:23 bitcoingirl: +fluffypony: so how are you making money?

11:11:41 fluffypony: !up bitcoingirl

11:12:05 bitcoingirl: where is the assbot? how does it work

11:12:08 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: I'm a major shareholder in a group of companies

11:12:17 fluffypony: from before Bitcoin existed :)

11:12:29 bitcoingirl: what? how does that work?

11:12:36 bitcoingirl: in bitcoin companies?

11:12:41 fluffypony: nope

11:12:44 bitcoingirl: oh

11:12:49 bitcoingirl: how do you make money trading bitcoin?

11:12:54 fluffypony: I don't, I buy and hold

11:13:11 bitcoingirl: so you're long and bullish

11:13:19 fluffypony: exactly

11:13:28 bitcoingirl: do you ever sell?

11:13:46 fluffypony: sure, occasionally and for very specific reasons

11:13:55 bitcoingirl: like what for example?

11:13:55 fluffypony: but I share bitcoinpete's view

11:14:10 fluffypony: lemme grab that quote from him

11:15:20 fluffypony: here

11:15:21 fluffypony: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/02/25/matters-of-bitcoin-merchant-adoption/

11:15:23 assbot: On Matters of Merchant Adoption | When Bitcoin Met Pete

11:16:03 fluffypony: this part: "I learned it last summer when I spent 3 BTC on a $450 case of wine in Kelowna. Today, I could’ve bought that case for 0.64 BTC, and probably more like 0.1 BTC before long, then 0.001 BTC, etc."

11:17:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0325 = 0.1625 BTC [-]

11:17:40 Apocalyptic: <bitcoingirl> if i want to short BTC, what would be a good strategy? // borrow them from someone

11:17:57 punkman: or bet here http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/

11:17:57 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1120.86 B (86%) on Yes, 186.18 B (14%) on No | closing in 8 months 4 weeks | weight: 80`354 (100`000 to 1)

11:29:49 Naphex: /last Naphex

11:29:51 Naphex: eek

11:30:55 pankkake: if irsii, a tip: /last -hilight -new

11:31:12 pankkake: hm, it's lastlog. so not irssi

11:32:37 Naphex: irssi actually

11:32:39 Naphex: last is aliased

11:32:40 Naphex: :P

11:32:59 Naphex: Irssi 0.8.16-rc1 (20140111) - http://irssi.org/

11:32:59 assbot: Irssi - The client of the future

11:36:58 BingoBoingo: Look at the pretense http://theamericanbitcoincompany.com/

11:37:47 fluffypony: the most trusted name in Bitcoin?

11:39:09 BingoBoingo: First, best, only

11:42:35 fluffypony: all their cards look like poor Amex knockoffs

11:44:29 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: And what do the cards even do?

11:44:50 fluffypony: I think it's like a membership card

11:45:21 BingoBoingo: http://theamericanbitcoincompany.com/wallets/

11:45:24 assbot: Wallet Services | American Bitcoin Inc.

11:45:41 fluffypony: "hey look how cool I am, member of the American Bitcoin elite, proud Foundation bronze member, free Ross Ulbricht!"

11:46:26 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: that paragraph breaks my brain

11:46:41 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Click one of their register buttons and see how they accept payment

11:46:55 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, funny thing it does no longer do that on me

11:47:03 Apocalyptic: must have seen too many of them

11:47:34 fluffypony: checkout with paypal...lol...

11:49:15 BingoBoingo: Or Coinbase!

11:52:49 Naphex: quick #bitcoin-assets poll: Second FIAT currency, EUR or USD?:D

11:53:36 fluffypony: after rubles?

11:53:45 Naphex: after Romanian LEU

11:54:26 fluffypony: EUR, imho

11:54:27 BingoBoingo: RMB!

11:54:42 BingoBoingo: China has to trade somewhere

12:06:00 dexX7: theamericanbitcoincompany.com vs "american bitcoin >community" lol

12:06:12 dexX7: what's that anyway? foundation 2.0?

12:06:16 chetty: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/21/us-ebay-password-idUSBREA4K0B420140521

12:06:16 assbot: Ebay asks all users to change passwords| Reuters

12:07:37 BingoBoingo: dexX7: Broke ass thing that aspires to be what the foundation imagines it is

12:07:52 dexX7: so is it legit?

12:08:31 Duffer1: sounds about as legit as the first one

12:09:17 Duffer1: no i dunno, i've never heard of them until just now

12:09:24 dexX7: hehe

12:09:56 pankkake: I tried to change my eBay password a few weeks ago. I didn't work.

12:10:17 dexX7: ouch

12:11:33 fluffypony: I just changed mine

12:12:05 thestringpuller: fluffypony: you watch that video yet

12:12:17 dexX7: worked for me, too

12:15:01 fluffypony: thestringpuller: no, it's on my list, day got away from me a little

12:26:13 moiety: my internet just had a tantrum and fucked off for a minute or two

12:27:22 moiety: i can't remember my ebay password and I'm locked out of my google account to reset it

12:33:49 BingoBoingo: Oh, the perils of relying on other people's computers for so much.

12:49:38 dub: check if your password is on tpb

12:53:10 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, why shouldn't my wallet be with my full node?

12:54:09 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I like the idea of separating roles.

12:55:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1910 @ 0.00011557 = 0.2207 BTC [+] {2}

12:56:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00599991 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}

12:58:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47949 = 0.959 BTC [+]

13:01:16 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, how would I send a transaction then?

13:01:47 danielpbarron: does bitcoind let me create a transaction on one machine, and sign it on another/

13:02:46 BingoBoingo: You pass it to the node. bitcoind could probably be abused into doing that. Armory does that well. Electrum effectively does that if you only have it connect to the node at 127.0.0.1

13:03:07 BingoBoingo: Or whatever the other machine is.

13:03:22 BingoBoingo: I think electrum has an offline solution for transaction signing.

13:03:54 danielpbarron: i don't want to use electrum or armory

13:04:04 danielpbarron: is there any command line option?

13:05:37 BingoBoingo: I haven't dug into bitcoind that much. I just run it as a dumb node, making sure it plays nice with the network and then largely letting it be.

13:08:30 danielpbarron: it sounds like the thing I want has yet to be written

13:09:14 BingoBoingo: There's probably a command line option to push a raw transaction on the network in bitcoind.

13:10:06 dexX7: danielpbarron: this is possible, but difficult with bitcoind because it doesn't let you sign unless you synced completely afaik

13:10:43 dexX7: might be worth to check out https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib which allows signing

13:10:43 assbot: petertodd/python-bitcoinlib GitHub

13:15:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.0224999 = 0.4275 BTC [-]

13:25:49 danielpbarron: assbot is definitely not posting MPEX stuff; all I've seen for the last 24 hours is havelock trades

13:33:03 BingoBoingo: http://www.oreilly.com/pub/e/3059

13:33:04 assbot: Webcast: Beyond Security: Getting to Know OpenBSD's Real Purpose

13:34:38 artifexd: moiety: My understanding is that there are two definitions of "scammer". One from the business owner's point of view (dishonesty or theft). One from the investor's point of view (failure to pay obligations). The popular view here is from the investor's point of view because it doesn't matter *why* someone didn't pay their obligations. That person should not

13:34:38 artifexd: be trusted with further money.

13:36:51 moiety: ok

13:38:48 artifexd: fluffypony: I tend to share benkay's view of bitcoin. Specifically from here: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/09_bitcoiners-upset-at-apple-understand-neither-apples-business-model-nor-bitcoin.html

13:38:50 assbot: Bitcoiners Upset at Apple Understand Neither Apple's Business Model nor Bitcoin

13:38:56 artifexd: "Furthermore, putting bitcoins on your phone is probably the goddamn stupidest thing that I've ever heard of. Bitcoins are going to be the world's reserve currency4, and as such fated to rise to prices per coin that dwarf even the outlandish Winklevoss' most media-hungry "predictions". To leave such a precious commodity within reach of anyone with a USB

13:38:56 artifexd: cable5 and a gun to scare you off your phone is the height of idiocy."

13:39:21 fluffypony: lol

13:45:22 jurov: "BREAKING: Bitcoin conference participants robbed with USB cable on gunpoint"

13:49:02 BingoBoingo: Let us never forget Tortilla's conference where he lost thousands of bitcoins to a sauna

13:50:38 BingoBoingo: %book

13:50:40 atcbot: 0k@285 63k@278 25k@277 | 33k@187 55k@156 10k@155

13:51:03 pankkake: %diff

13:51:07 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 149204.27 in 687 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -67.23

13:55:37 jurov: http://www.rouming.cz/roumingShow.php?file=smart_girl.jpg hahaha

13:55:39 assbot: Roumenv Rouming - Zbavn a zajmav obrzky - smart girl

13:57:17 mod6: lol smh

13:58:39 chetty: The Obama administration has quietly adjusted key provisions of its signature healthcare law to potentially make billions of additional taxpayer dollars available to the insurance industry if companies providing coverage through the Affordable Care Act lose money.

13:59:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.03896326 = 0.1169 BTC [+] {2}

14:03:07 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=375643.0

14:03:08 assbot: I AM HODLING | Bitcointa.lk

14:03:50 mike_c: asciilifeform: variant 1 - powerful machine, must sing, like 'harley davidson'; << how else do you know it's working!

14:04:11 mike_c: machines gotta earn their keep

14:07:12 mike_c: kakobrekla: note busted link in log because it is hyperlinking the parantheses

14:07:13 mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2014#684030

14:07:13 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:09:10 moiety: ffs my net keeps going off

14:11:49 artifexd: mike_c: I also changed the bot to not put the links in parenthesis. Thanks for pointing that out.

14:13:14 mike_c: ah

14:17:43 dexX7: danielpbarron: oh hey, correction: you actually can quite easily sign raw transactions offline with bitcoind, but you need to supply the scriptpubkey of inputs, see http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bxrEyqbt for an example

14:19:23 thestringpuller: punkman: hey you around?

14:23:01 punkman: thestringpuller: ja

14:29:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [+]

14:31:18 asciilifeform: http://gizmodo.com/the-fbi-is-struggling-to-hire-hackers-who-dont-smoke-we-1579183208

14:31:18 assbot: The FBI Is Struggling to Hire Hackers Who Don't Smoke Weed

14:34:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]

14:36:42 danielpbarron: cool, thanks dexX7

14:38:24 chetty: http://blog.thomsonreuters.com/?p=32205

14:38:43 punkman: ""I have to hire a great work force to compete with those cyber criminals, and some of those kids want to smoke weed on the way to the interview,""

14:38:47 punkman: lol

14:38:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00412962 = 0.5369 BTC [-] {6}

14:39:12 mike_c: is the problem that the cyber criminals have better weed?

14:39:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00409875 = 0.4919 BTC [-] {2}

14:40:03 punkman: yeah the gov-approved weed is crap

14:40:39 kakobrekla: ist gov approve <insert stuff here> crap ?

14:40:43 kakobrekla: isnt

14:40:47 kakobrekla: bah.

14:41:36 chetty: hmm doesn't gubermint approved= bad for you?

14:41:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00415503 = 0.4155 BTC [+]

14:42:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1017 @ 0.00402367 = 4.0921 BTC [-] {7}

14:44:05 punkman: http://www.thecannabist.co/2014/05/06/u-s-government-grow-1430-pounds-weed-dea-registered-research/11281/

14:44:06 assbot: U.S. government to grow 1,430 pounds of weed for DEA-registered research

14:44:34 kakobrekla: ;;google 1430 pounds in kg

14:44:35 gribble: 2011 World's Strongest man- Squat Lift- Zydrunas Savickas - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mqSqwGJAMg; Leg press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leg_press; Terrafugia Transition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrafugia_Transition

14:44:38 kakobrekla: ok.

14:44:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.03343256 = 2.3403 BTC [+] {3}

14:45:42 dub: ;;calc 1430*2.2

14:45:42 gribble: 3146

14:45:52 dub: ;;calc 1430/2.2

14:45:55 gribble: 650

14:45:59 dub: even

14:46:19 dub: smoked too much weed to remember weed conversion tables

14:46:42 punkman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassionate_Investigational_New_Drug_program

14:46:42 assbot: Compassionate Investigational New Drug program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

14:47:41 pankkake: kakobrekla: GNU Units

14:47:50 kakobrekla: mhm

14:49:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.095 = 1.425 BTC [+]

14:51:28 dub: 9 ounces a month is some smoking

14:52:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.03372386 = 1.6862 BTC [+] {7}

14:52:26 BingoBoingo: dub: But if it is crappy government weed...

14:53:08 punkman: the Mississippi guy started with mexican ditchweed

14:55:06 dub: thats a joint every hour 15 hours a day

14:55:33 kakobrekla: dont they take it orally?

14:56:06 punkman: I like the can they give them: https://www.theweedblog.com/wp-content/uploads//Federal-Medical-Marijuana-Can-300x300.jpg

14:56:06 dub: yeah you inhale through your mouth generally

14:56:26 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: The government only approves suppositories

14:56:40 kakobrekla: lol

14:56:50 dub: 9oz of suppository

14:57:10 punkman: that's goatse territory

14:57:27 kakobrekla: meh prerolled shit

14:58:17 BingoBoingo: !up soros

14:58:18 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

14:58:19 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 491.53, Best ask: 491.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 491.8, 24 hour volume: 21195.10084630, 24 hour low: 469.64, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 486.155141349

14:58:34 kakobrekla: o look its george

15:00:29 dub: th ecanned joints are 0.5g so 17 joints/dey

15:00:53 soros: ^^ hello gents

15:01:07 dub: thats like dub at 18 territory

15:01:51 dub: getting close at least

15:04:22 BingoBoingo: 17 times a day is rather often to put something up up the ass.

15:04:59 kakobrekla: what brings you soros ?

15:06:06 pankkake: well then there's a market for an automated suppository gun, in the form of a butt plug

15:07:02 kakobrekla: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/05/19/data-pirates-caribbean-nsa-recording-every-cell-phone-call-bahamas/

15:07:05 assbot: Data Pirates of the Caribbean: The NSA Is Recording Every Cell Phone Call in the Bahamas - The Intercept

15:13:03 BingoBoingo: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Womans-car-attacked-by-self-identified-high-elf-battling-evil-259598811.html

15:13:03 assbot: Woman's car attacked by self-identified 'high elf' battling evil | Local & Regional | KATU.com - Portland News, Sports, Traffic Weather and Breaking News - Portland, Oregon

15:13:40 soros: kakobrekla: nothing particular, thinking of merging that foundation of mine with TBF

15:14:00 kakobrekla: foundwhat with what?

15:14:15 BingoBoingo: soros: What's your foundation? Basement, slab, pier and post?

15:16:12 BingoBoingo: http://www.wired.com/2014/05/snowden-cryptoparty/

15:16:12 assbot: Snowden’s First Move Against the NSA Was a Party in Hawaii | Threat Level | WIRED

15:18:16 rithm: https://app.box.com/s/1xbjbx9qiaua7xpyh94w

15:18:18 assbot: Bitcoin2014_AnnualMembersMeetingTranscript.pdf - Datei ber Box freigegeben

15:18:34 moiety: if i have to eauth one more time today imma eat gribble

15:19:58 chetty: http://marketrealist.com/2014/05/george-soros-soros-fund-sells-stakes-jpmorgan-chase-citigroup/

15:19:58 assbot: George Soros' fund sells its stake in JPMorgan Chase in 1Q14 » Market Realist

15:20:28 thestringpuller: moiety: heh, you don't have a bouncer?

15:21:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-difficulty-update/

15:21:22 assbot: Bitcoin difficulty update

15:21:26 rithm: dat znc bro

15:21:27 moiety: i thought thats why i didn't ping time out?

15:21:28 moiety: i thought i did

15:21:55 mike_c: has anyone made money ever going short diff? unstoppable force.

15:22:26 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Only a few anomalous difficulty BitBets

15:22:32 rithm: there were a few weeks in 2011 where you could short the diff?

15:22:47 rithm: maybe fewer in 2012

15:23:58 soros: kakobrekla: Open Society Foundation with The Bitcoin Foundation

15:24:40 kakobrekla: the only thing you want to do with TBF is to run, as fast and as far as you can.

15:24:58 kakobrekla: not run it, but away.

15:25:01 rithm: run far, far away

15:25:23 rithm: they aren't cashflow positive and they are burning through their initial endowment

15:25:31 rithm: that's what the report says

15:26:30 BingoBoingo: ^

15:27:12 kakobrekla: i was thinking of child porn really.

15:27:45 soros: kakobrekla: quite the contrary, TBF would be a perfect fit to join me and my buddies. in fact, they may already have joined us.. ;)

15:28:02 *: kakobrekla is confuzled

15:28:05 fluffypony: except the child molesters, presumably

15:29:22 BingoBoingo: !up soros

15:29:27 rithm: oh yeah the brock landers child sex thing too

15:29:38 kakobrekla: i thought we were done wif dat.

15:29:53 BingoBoingo: soros: Is it the Brock Pierce sex thing, srsly

15:32:46 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/20-million-bees-swarm-delaware-highway-after-tractor-tr-1579475489

15:32:47 assbot: 20 Million Bees Swarm Delaware Highway After Tractor-Trailer Crash

15:32:58 kakobrekla: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/18/us-cisco-systems-nsa-idUSBREA4H0C720140518

15:32:58 assbot: Cisco chief urges Obama to curb NSA surveillance activity| Reuters

15:33:00 kakobrekla: heh

15:33:21 soros: BingoBoingo: not at all, thats just some bonus, i'm more thinking about this http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/george-soros-the-united-states-must-stop-resisting-the-orderly-decline-of-the-dollar-the-coming-global-currency-and-the-new-world-order

15:33:23 assbot: George Soros: The United States Must Stop Resisting The Orderly Decline Of The Dollar, The Coming Global Currency And The New World Order

15:34:24 BingoBoingo: soros: Is this some sort of roleplaying you are trying here http://www.megalomaniac.com/~andrew/funny/bloodcyber.html

15:34:25 assbot: The Saga of Bloodninja

15:34:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46004823 BTC [-]

15:35:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0042499 = 0.4462 BTC [+]

15:35:51 chetty: oic, soros thinks btc will be the nwo currency :P

15:36:37 soros: chetty: not "will be".. try "is"

15:36:42 rithm: duh

15:37:30 BingoBoingo: !down soros

15:37:44 rithm: why else would i have been hoarding bitcoins for years before these retarded millionaires caught on

15:37:58 chetty: :D

15:38:48 pankkake: !up soros

15:38:59 pankkake: FU assbot

15:39:49 pankkake: !up soros

15:39:55 pankkake: !up Anar

15:41:40 HeySteve: soros, why not the basket of gold, SDRs, rubles, yuan, dollars, etc.?

15:43:28 chetty: ;;gettrust soros

15:43:28 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user chetty to user soros: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=chetty&dest=soros | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=soros | Rated since: never

15:44:53 chetty: !up princessnell

15:45:14 soros: HeySteve: been there, done that

15:45:39 princessnell: yo peeps

15:46:44 thestringpuller: it's the economist

15:47:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.03805341 = 0.9133 BTC [-] {5}

15:50:03 HeySteve: k soros gl getting central banks to accept loss of control over rates and money supply

15:51:31 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

15:51:31 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0008848 / 0.00090406 / 0.00094991 (467313 shares, 422.48 BTC), 7D: 0.0008848 / 0.00095919 / 0.00100536 (4425468 shares, 4,244.88 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00093955 / 0.00101 (23668180 shares, 22,237.54 BTC)

15:51:35 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

15:51:35 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00088856 BTC [-]

15:54:05 benkay: ;;later tell bitcoingirl oh, you're shilling for the foundation too now? http://nmllplaw.com/attorneys/marco-a-santori/ << "Bitcoin lawyer"

15:54:08 assbot: Marco A. Santori

15:54:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:55:01 benkay: o look usg opining about cn/btc: http://origin.www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/USCC%20Economic%20Issue%20Brief%20-%20Bitcoin%20-%2005%2012%2014.pdf

15:56:01 HeySteve: lol peter schiff has changed his tune about bitcoin

15:56:11 benkay: http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/boc-review-spring14-fung.pdf << apparently the thief David Joseph has yet to make good on being the Canadian government's go-to dood for btc things.

15:56:59 cgcardona: good morning everyone o/

15:57:14 benkay: ;;later tell bitcoingirl a pox on your uncritical republication of fundation noise

15:57:14 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:57:40 cgcardona: HeySteve: url?

15:57:44 cgcardona: ;;ticker

15:57:46 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.57, Best ask: 493.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 493.32, 24 hour volume: 18368.13937592, 24 hour low: 478.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 486.155141349

15:58:04 benkay: A POX.

15:58:34 HeySteve: I just got a press release, cgcardona, no link as yet

15:58:50 cgcardona: what's he have to say? How did he change his tune?

15:58:58 HeySteve: oh wait check out his site: http://www.europacmetals.com/

15:58:59 assbot: Peter Schiffs Gold Company | Euro Pacific Precious Metals

15:58:59 cgcardona: "Well ok there is intrinsic value :p"

15:59:29 HeySteve: http://blog.europacmetals.com/2014/05/euro-pacific-precious-metals-now-accepts-bitcoin/ specifically

15:59:31 assbot: Euro Pacific Precious Metals Now Accepts Bitcoin | Peter Schiffs Official Gold Blog

15:59:37 cgcardona: oh shit

15:59:47 mjr_: lol

15:59:59 mjr_: we were just talking about that

16:00:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42771748 BTC to 8`548 shares, 28401 satoshi per share

16:00:20 HeySteve: heh well better late than never for Peter Schiff I guess. he's one of the saner "talking heads" out there

16:00:21 cgcardona: "PETER SCHIFF—TAKE MY BITCOIN!1!!1" -noone ever

16:00:27 mjr_: hahaha

16:00:28 mjr_: yeah

16:00:44 mjr_: and...i guess if we had to stop and say i told you so to everyone who got bitcoin wrong...

16:00:50 princessnell: heysteve that's not saying much...

16:00:56 BingoBoingo: benkay: Which one was she again?

16:02:18 princessnell: benkay boring perianne is still learning

16:02:45 cgcardona: the valcambi bars are a goldbugs wet dream http://www.europacmetals.com/our-products.aspx

16:02:46 assbot: Our Products

16:02:53 cgcardona: though entirely not practical

16:02:55 HeySteve: true princessnell. still waiting for paul krugman to come around :P

16:03:46 princessnell: heysteve they will be first in line for redemption after the rev

16:04:58 fluffypony: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27503290

16:04:58 assbot: BBC News - eBay makes users change their passwords after hack

16:05:20 cgcardona: yea minimum order of $5000. Where can I buy smaller quanitites of precious metals w/ btc?

16:05:43 cgcardona: i'd love to pick up just a few coins but don't really want to drop $5000

16:05:57 HeySteve: cgcardona, there's amagi metals, coinabul and a few others

16:06:34 BingoBoingo: Coinabul's a scam

16:07:17 cgcardona: i thought I had checked out amagi and they also required a min of 200oz of silver. checking now again....

16:08:20 HeySteve: !up coingenuity

16:09:25 rithm: buying metal with cyprtocurrency is a terrible idea that usually has worked in someone else's favor

16:09:40 rithm: historically that's my perspective

16:09:48 HeySteve: fluffypony, so ebay was hacked Feb - Mar and only found about it now?

16:09:55 fluffypony: ja seems that way

16:10:02 cgcardona: rithm: care to explain?

16:10:10 fluffypony: we all changed our passwords earlier, someone posted a link about an eBay notice going out

16:10:19 fluffypony: didn't know why tho

16:10:23 rithm: the metal loses value as a function of time and the bitcoin does not?

16:10:46 rithm: historically speaking, since both have only existed for x

16:10:59 rithm: gold might be an anomoly but not by much

16:11:47 cgcardona: yea I'm not thinking of moving from btc to gold as an investment. the bulk of my assets are in btc and will remain there. i was more thinking getting some precious metals just as collectors items.

16:11:52 cgcardona: that's why i only wanna order a couple

16:12:12 rithm: amagi shipped 10 ounces of gold in 6 days

16:12:20 rithm: that's my only experience

16:12:40 cgcardona: oh ok cool. so they will ship less than 200 oz. great to know. thanks rithm

16:12:41 rithm: silver is worthless

16:13:38 HeySteve: no way, rithm. kills werewolves

16:14:00 cgcardona: haha

16:14:08 rithm: it killed 'em for 35$ and now it kills them at $19

16:14:16 thestringpuller: benkay disco killed the radio

16:14:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.03307369 = 0.9922 BTC [-] {5}

16:17:57 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

16:17:59 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.02, Best ask: 494.22, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 494.02, 24 hour volume: 18063.26901568, 24 hour low: 478.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 491.460861006

16:20:36 BingoBoingo: !up moiety

16:20:52 moiety: ty

16:21:15 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/sailor-convicted-of-hacking-websites-from-aboard-aircraft-carrier/

16:21:16 assbot: Sailor convicted of hacking websites from aboard aircraft carrier | Ars Technica

16:21:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.038 = 0.798 BTC [-]

16:22:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0042 = 0.1764 BTC [+] {2}

16:22:50 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/469151314300399617

16:22:51 assbot: 74% of Wall Street believes /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash will become an alternative currency, according to Bitcoin Trust survey: http://t.co/ODjtwSV7an

16:22:56 moiety: i think my router had a heart attack today? seems ok now

16:23:33 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoKt_SOIEAAqXCu.jpg << this is pretty lulzy

16:25:32 kakobrekla: mike_c : patched

16:28:41 mike_c: link test (http://bitbet.us/bet/796/) commenced

16:28:55 kakobrekla: lol

16:29:05 mike_c: cool, thanks

16:29:12 kakobrekla: yw

16:29:47 mircea_popescu: check out lawski guy : http://t.co/LlZyGiji47

16:29:48 assbot: BNP Paribas Risks Client Flight as Ban on Transfers Looms - Businessweek

16:30:16 mircea_popescu: basically the us is turning into venezuela on the rather transparent and quite flimsy pretext of...

16:30:23 mircea_popescu: im not sure even what exactly, was it "money laundering" ?

16:33:12 BingoBoingo: Turrorism

16:33:24 BingoBoingo: Or maybe Turderism

16:33:41 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl: what is this gribble that keeps coming up? << she's adowable isn't she.

16:36:53 danielpbarron: <+BingoBoingo> Coinabul's a scam << someone i deal with is currently waiting for them to ship and it's been weeks or months at this point

16:36:58 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: the most trusted name in Bitcoin? << well, anyone can claim anything right ?

16:37:09 mircea_popescu: and the consumer is gonna learn that claiming is not worth much

16:37:23 mircea_popescu: exactly like the claims of jurisdiction his government keeps making aren't worth much.

16:37:32 kakobrekla: fluffypony: the most trusted name in Bitcoin? < ognasty obv.

16:37:42 BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/airbnb-loves-sharing-so-much-it-agreed-to-subpoena-on-1579561833/+sarah-hedgecock

16:37:42 assbot: Airbnb Loves Sharing So Much, It Agreed to Subpoena On Illegal Hosts

16:38:12 mircea_popescu: chetty: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/21/us-ebay-password-idUSBREA4K0B420140521 <<< ahahaha.

16:38:13 assbot: EBay says client information stolen in hacking attack| Reuters

16:38:18 mircea_popescu: SeCuReTee-Hee

16:38:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he meant some "american bitcoin corp" website some kid put up last week

16:38:49 kakobrekla: a dunno

16:39:07 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they had no option, really. theyt're a bunch of party clowns (literally) out to make money.

16:39:20 mircea_popescu: the alternative was grand jury indictments.

16:40:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course, but it's funny to see that the clowns realized holding out for a grand jury would fall even flatter on their audience

16:41:47 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: assbot is definitely not posting MPEX stuff; all I've seen for the last 24 hours is havelock trades << looking into it

16:42:44 mike_c: fwiw, kako's feed hasn't reported any trades for 27 hours

16:44:29 mircea_popescu: it's... fixed.

16:44:53 mjr_: good morning

16:44:57 danielpbarron: cool, thanks :)

16:45:01 BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet

16:45:01 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00047 / 0.00049937 / 0.00051499 (48838 shares, 24.39 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00050069 / 0.00054 (51695 shares, 25.88 BTC)

16:45:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Let us never forget Tortilla's conference where he lost thousands of bitcoins to a sauna << ahjahaha.

16:45:49 mircea_popescu: but he didn't lose anything, he just created drama

16:45:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4789999 BTC [+]

16:47:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.47952666 = 1.4386 BTC [+] {3}

16:48:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 400 @ 0.00047 = 0.188 BTC [-]

16:50:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c: has anyone made money ever going short diff? unstoppable force. << i think a few bets wonthat way, but still. drop in bucket.

16:51:14 mircea_popescu: so did y'all teach perianne how to make moneyz shorting bitcoin or what.

16:51:17 mircea_popescu: !up moiety

16:51:56 mircea_popescu: rithm: they aren't cashflow positive and they are burning through their initial endowment << exactly.

16:52:05 mircea_popescu: and they're being crunched on the pr side.

16:52:17 mircea_popescu: people familiar with the taking down of gox will perhaps recognise the pattern.

16:52:25 rithm: sounds unviable to me

16:52:37 mircea_popescu: that'd be because it's not viable.

16:53:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.47979 = 1.4394 BTC [+]

16:53:49 mircea_popescu: princessnell how goes.

16:54:29 mircea_popescu: HeySteve: lol peter schiff has changed his tune about bitcoin << but obviously no apology.

16:55:10 princessnell: mircea_popescu well enough. assigned to project about how bitcoin will help the poors.

16:55:40 mircea_popescu: princessnell: heysteve they will be first in line for redemption after the rev << i was going to say something like that.

16:55:54 mircea_popescu: princessnell that is pretty fucktarded. why are you wasting your time ?

16:56:02 mircea_popescu: do something useful.

16:56:11 BingoBoingo: princessnell: It will help them by providing better masters.

16:56:14 princessnell: i know i know

16:56:25 mircea_popescu: enough said then.

16:56:33 princessnell: well, i'm also lurking here so it's not a total waste rite rite

16:56:42 BingoBoingo: Also by boosting the sales of sharpie markers

16:57:25 mircea_popescu: cgcardona there's no way you can't buy gold directly from miners in australia

16:57:28 mircea_popescu: i refuse to believe

16:57:49 cgcardona: w/ bitcoin. not w/ a service i'm aware of. but sure potentially

16:58:08 cgcardona: plus I'm only looking for some small collectibles. nothing at scale.

16:58:19 cgcardona: *collectables

16:58:54 mircea_popescu: rithm: it killed 'em for 35$ and now it kills them at $19 << epic lmao.

16:59:05 mircea_popescu: cgcardona ah i c.

16:59:21 mircea_popescu: get fluffypony to ship you some krugerrands

16:59:38 fluffypony: or buy some physical dogecoins

16:59:43 fluffypony: they'll be a collectors item in 3 years

16:59:58 mircea_popescu: or buy the people holding doge coins.

17:00:00 kakobrekla: they have those now?

17:00:05 pankkake: physical dogecoins, a real shibe with a private key tatooed in the ear?

17:00:09 mircea_popescu: they'll be worthless in 3 years, but they can suck you off in the meanwhile.

17:00:18 fluffypony: https://shibemint.com

17:00:20 assbot: Shibe Mint

17:00:26 cgcardona: I can send back some kahealani niihau ;-]

17:00:31 fluffypony: just minted coins, not actual Dogecoins

17:00:37 HeySteve: I looked at shipping krugerrands but there's a low allowance on what one can send annually

17:00:42 cgcardona: shibe mint -epic fluffypony

17:00:43 pankkake: fluffypony: meh.

17:00:58 HeySteve: I believe any number of gold rounds can be sent, but insurance and shipping charges will be steep

17:01:15 mircea_popescu: HeySteve i imagine the amagi / coinabul / whoever else pays the same exact fees

17:01:47 cgcardona: i'm positive that whichever one was recently on Reddit/bitcoin (i think amagi) requires min of 200oz of silver cause I checked that day.

17:01:49 HeySteve: hmm, that's true. I've been meaning to follow up on gold for bitcoin, we don't mine silver here though

17:01:51 kakobrekla: 10 bux for 1 doge

17:02:00 kakobrekla: not a scam as such.

17:02:21 cgcardona: ha

17:02:56 mircea_popescu: pretty ugly fucking things

17:03:08 mircea_popescu: thye look like they were designed by a 15yo with a pirated illustrator.

17:03:18 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: sounds about right

17:03:18 mircea_popescu: fluffypony so the anarkitty character never said a word huh.

17:03:26 fluffypony: nope

17:03:30 mircea_popescu: weird.

17:04:19 HeySteve: lol @ physical dogecoins. so bad it's good, I want one

17:05:50 ThickAsThieves: Sup

17:06:04 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: How was Amsterdam

17:06:20 ThickAsThieves: pretty cool

17:06:24 cgcardona: more like amsterDAMN

17:06:25 ThickAsThieves: got a cold though

17:06:30 ThickAsThieves: almost over it

17:06:45 ThickAsThieves: all that inhaling i guess

17:06:53 cgcardona: :)

17:07:37 cgcardona: i was there in 2005 for the high times cannabis cup. i'd like to go back when it's warmer

17:07:43 cgcardona: and not with high times.

17:07:57 ThickAsThieves: had to turn down a few government jobs since my visit ;)

17:08:06 cgcardona: heh

17:08:16 ThickAsThieves: the weather was great

17:08:31 cgcardona: not the fbi anymore ! http://gizmodo.com/the-fbi-is-struggling-to-hire-hackers-who-dont-smoke-we-1579183208

17:08:32 assbot: The FBI Is Struggling to Hire Hackers Who Don't Smoke Weed

17:08:32 ThickAsThieves: it didnt get very cold at night so everyone was out all night

17:08:42 ThickAsThieves: many lights shining on the canals

17:08:43 ThickAsThieves: etc

17:08:50 cgcardona: damn I'm jealous. sounds great

17:09:04 moiety: i hope you took pictures ThickAsThieves

17:09:14 ThickAsThieves: not really

17:09:20 ThickAsThieves: just some lame conference ones

17:09:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00093352 = 15.1697 BTC [+] {4}

17:09:27 moiety: :[ but but lights

17:09:28 ThickAsThieves: i'm not one for scenery pictures

17:09:50 ThickAsThieves: enough people out there documenting everything now

17:09:57 ThickAsThieves: dont need my pictures of pretty lights

17:10:11 cgcardona: God the Pretty Lights show I say in Dec in SF was off the freaking hook

17:10:23 cgcardona: he was touring w/ a full band. Very insane.

17:11:32 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: wb

17:11:47 ThickAsThieves: i started writing an elaborate theory about systems and economies and bitcoin and reputation

17:12:04 ThickAsThieves: need to go back and see if it was high genius or just highness

17:12:29 BingoBoingo: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014/05/26/140526fa_fact_labi

17:12:29 assbot: Nadya Labi: How a Militia Grew on a Military Base : The New Yorker

17:13:02 chetty: eBay today revealed that attackers "compromised a database containing encrypted passwords and other non-financial data" between late February and early March. The database included names, e-mail addresses, home addresses, phone numbers, and dates of birth.

17:16:18 benkay: no more passwords

17:16:20 benkay: pubkeys only

17:16:27 benkay: everyone must gee pee gee

17:17:12 benkay: "everybody must get hashed"

17:17:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623021

17:17:22 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:17:28 benkay: (dylan)

17:17:49 chetty: Woman Refused Medicine Because ObamaCare System Says She Is a Man

17:17:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The good old days

17:18:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: notice that every single time they try a 'wrecker,' he's dumb as a brick.

17:18:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. They tend to be more open to suggestion.

17:23:18 BingoBoingo: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/05/21/1226241/step-toward-liberating-electronic-devices-from-their-power-cords

17:23:19 assbot: Step Toward Liberating Electronic Devices From Their Power Cords - Slashdot

17:23:31 BingoBoingo: Laser Pistol fire in the streets inches closer.

17:24:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#621910

17:24:54 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:31:49 BingoBoingo: According to one soldier interviewed by the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command, ?The entire S-2 section??the intelligence group in Aguigui?s squadron??had knowledge of Aguigui?s plans and many were willing to be a part of it.?

17:32:06 mircea_popescu: ahh, minty lemonade made out of your own mint from your own garden.

17:32:14 mircea_popescu: by your own womenz from your own basement

17:32:15 mircea_popescu: lief.

17:32:39 ThickAsThieves: so ya'll are leaving Ro huh

17:33:05 mircea_popescu: aye

17:33:18 Duffer1: new zealand sounds nice

17:33:23 ThickAsThieves: do you know where to yet?

17:33:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00093283 = 3.4515 BTC [-]

17:35:11 mircea_popescu: course i know where to

17:35:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/21/why-garden-so-you-can-write-cheques-to-strippers/

17:35:23 assbot: Why Garden? So You Can Write Cheques To Strippers. | When Bitcoin Met Pete

17:35:27 pankkake: extradited to the USA?

17:35:43 fluffypony: hah hah

17:35:44 mircea_popescu: lol

17:35:48 fluffypony: someone should spread the rumour

17:35:52 mircea_popescu: extradepred

17:35:54 fluffypony: Jimmothy is going to eat it up

17:35:58 ThickAsThieves: leak it to Coindesk

17:36:21 mircea_popescu: well honestly... if i get a bitcoin a day, like weev...

17:36:23 mircea_popescu: why the hell not.

17:36:24 Duffer1: MP is satoshi and is being extradited to US!

17:36:32 Duffer1: i knew it all along

17:36:33 mircea_popescu: i could use some peace and quiet to write.

17:36:37 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin/hr

17:36:47 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves a yes my bad.

17:36:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.479795 = 1.9192 BTC [+] {2}

17:37:18 fluffypony: Satoshi Nakamoto = SN = NS backwards = N->M and S->P

17:37:29 fluffypony: also, Half Life 3 confirmed

17:37:35 Duffer1: ha

17:37:42 mircea_popescu: sit in the shade 3-4 years, write a coupla books and another 10k fraudsters posts, come out with moar bitcoins than well... hm.

17:38:09 mircea_popescu: i guess im not the right guy for this deal.

17:39:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00093544 = 8.6996 BTC [+] {2}

17:39:52 BingoBoingo: All of the sad girls waiting in your basement...

17:40:57 mircea_popescu: they're coming with, what.

17:40:57 pankkake: on the subject of "where to", blog of a friend: http://countryshopping.blogspot.com/

17:40:57 assbot: Country shopping

17:41:02 mircea_popescu: airplane has a cargo hold for a reason.

17:41:24 mircea_popescu: lol turdsicle

17:41:33 punkman: moving the harem can't be easy

17:42:22 mircea_popescu: why ? they keep in shape, lithe gals.

17:49:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225 = 0.1125 BTC [+]

17:52:15 kakobrekla: http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/2014/05/21/belgium-bans-bitcoin-financial-products-in-bitcoin-prohibted-deadline-july1st/

17:52:15 assbot: Belgium bans Bitcoin Financial products in Bitcoin prohibted – deadline July1st | The Bitcoin News - Decentralised Bitcoin and Crypto News

17:52:45 fluffypony: this is good news!

18:06:08 pankkake: "Goofy drama aside - wish him all the best. Even if controversial, would donate to a legal fund aimed at preventing extradition and assume a good few others would, too."

18:08:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.10838749 = 0.4335 BTC [-] {3}

18:09:40 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Link?

18:10:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 530 @ 0.00425481 = 2.255 BTC [+] {8}

18:11:20 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.msg6858224#msg6858224

18:11:21 assbot: MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges

18:11:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00093566 = 5.0993 BTC [+]

18:11:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.00570066 = 0.8551 BTC [+] {3}

18:12:18 BingoBoingo: lol

18:18:07 asciilifeform: pankkake: that forum still exists? and, what does one have to smoke, to make sense of it ?

18:18:45 pankkake: should be subtitled "for entertainment only"

18:20:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00093283 = 7.2761 BTC [-]

18:24:24 Duffer1: Transistor is my new favorite thing, this game is amazin

18:24:26 Duffer1: g

18:27:21 pankkake: someone sent me 0.001 BTC to an address I only used to widthdraw from Cryptsy

18:30:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00443 = 0.1728 BTC [+]

18:30:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2505 @ 0.00093283 = 2.3367 BTC [-]

18:31:31 mike_c: that's expensive tracer dust

18:33:13 mircea_popescu: pankkake apparently kluge reads the logs. who knewe.

18:35:07 mircea_popescu: in other news, https://twitter.com/skgreen/status/469179655954915328

18:35:08 assbot: "You are more likely to die in a plane crash than click on a banner ad." /msweezey at /hashtag/wistiafest?src=hash

18:35:17 princessnell: ;;later tell bitcoinpete hayek and #b-a is a killer combo

18:35:17 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:36:27 pankkake: mike_c: yeah, and it doesn't trace anything now. paid for more than the tx fee to move it

18:36:53 mircea_popescu: i don't grasp the concept of "tracer dust" anyway.

18:36:58 mike_c: heh :)

18:37:01 mircea_popescu: what's it supposed to do again ?

18:37:16 mike_c: mingle with your funds? see where they go?

18:37:36 mircea_popescu: oh in the sense it's going to end up in a composite tx ?

18:37:37 mike_c: but why couldn't they just do that with the funds already there.

18:37:42 mircea_popescu: exactly.

18:37:57 pankkake: that would only make sense if the address was empty, but used before, I guess

18:38:09 pankkake: but in that case, it wasn't

18:38:14 mircea_popescu: i suppose you can inadvertently show two addresses as being in the same wallet, this way. except a) why would you not keep multiple wallets if you want this and b) why wouldn't you fake it just to mess with the tracer

18:38:17 mircea_popescu: not like either is hard to od

18:39:07 pankkake: https://twitter.com/skgreen/status/469179655954915328 that's the one

18:39:08 assbot: "You are more likely to die in a plane crash than click on a banner ad." /msweezey at /hashtag/wistiafest?src=hash

18:39:14 pankkake: uh, wrong copypaste

18:39:23 pankkake: https://blockchain.info/tx/771a80f9c62f971a8dd02fa342f5c1856c8b39a7d5d7feb527489984f651670a

18:39:24 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 771a80f9c62f971a8dd02fa342f5c1856c8b39a7d5d7feb527489984f651670a

18:40:50 mike_c: some kind of dividend payment?

18:42:18 pankkake: but doesn't explain why I got it

18:45:59 fluffypony: did you buy shares in their mining thing?

18:51:40 thestringpuller: I'm going to go to build a bear and build a fluffypony

18:51:54 fluffypony: SWEET

18:54:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 638 @ 0.0009308 = 0.5939 BTC [-]

19:04:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 37 @ 0.12856755 = 4.757 BTC [+] {5}

19:08:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00443 = 0.1418 BTC [+]

19:13:13 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/05/wang-indictment.pdf

19:17:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.000932 = 6.99 BTC [+]

19:20:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 200 @ 0.03942322 = 7.8846 BTC [+] {6}

19:24:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2890 @ 0.00011599 = 0.3352 BTC [+]

19:26:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2026 @ 0.00093079 = 1.8858 BTC [-] {2}

19:31:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.000932 = 5.592 BTC [+]

19:43:57 chetty: http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/05/21/barron-boston-court-appeals-vote-column/9376913/

19:43:57 assbot: Drone memo author doesn't understand justice : Column

19:47:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 237 @ 0.095 = 22.515 BTC [+]

19:48:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.095 = 9.5 BTC [+] {2}

19:53:26 mircea_popescu: !up stompysteve

19:57:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 58 @ 0.095 = 5.51 BTC [+]

20:02:15 stompysteve: did i get a voice because you like my name :) lol

20:05:58 HeySteve: forward, steve army

20:07:11 mike_c: i count 4 mikes in channel. bring it steve army.

20:08:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00093072 = 2.9783 BTC [-]

20:08:28 stompysteve: ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

20:08:35 HeySteve: steve army may be outnumbered but never outwitted!

20:09:01 stompysteve: plus steve is a better name

20:10:00 mike_c: ;;bc,stats

20:10:03 gribble: Current Blocks: 301960 | Current Difficulty: 8.8534163091278E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 302399 | Next Difficulty In: 439 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10489485769.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.47953

20:11:00 HeySteve: later gotta get some exercise

20:11:04 thestringpuller: My name is Stevie irl

20:11:05 thestringpuller: lol

20:11:12 thestringpuller: LONG LIVE THE STEVE ARMY!

20:11:37 mike_c: isn't stevie a girl's name?

20:11:38 pankkake: there's a fair amount of davids too

20:12:05 pankkake: at least you're not steevy http://cdn2-public.ladmedia.fr/var/public/storage/images/look/beaute-coaching/coiffure-de-star-les-pires-coupes-des-mecs-branches-!-28295/coiffure-de-star-les-cheveux-blond-decolore-de-steevy-boulay-28317/237701-1-fre-FR/Coiffure-de-star-les-cheveux-blond-decolore-de-Steevy-Boulay_portrait_w674.jpg

20:13:12 thestringpuller: mike_c: I thought that would be Stephanie

20:13:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.095 = 4.94 BTC [+]

20:13:24 thestringpuller: and what about Stevie Wonder and Stevie Ray Vaughn?

20:13:35 mike_c: ;;google stevie nicks

20:13:36 gribble: The Nicks Fix - The Official Stevie Nicks Website: http://rockalittle.com/; Stevie Nicks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Nicks; Stevie Nicks Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life Story - Biography.com: http://www.biography.com/people/stevie-nicks-9542187

20:14:12 mike_c: stevie wonder's real name is stevland

20:14:13 thestringpuller: Yea so the name is androgynous no?

20:14:20 thestringpuller: my real name is Steven

20:14:22 stompysteve: its me steveieeee, stevie janowski

20:14:31 thestringpuller: lolol

20:15:11 stompysteve: i havnt open bitcoinqt in like 5 months it doesnt show how far i am in verifying blocks any idea how long it will take

20:15:29 stompysteve: i thought it showed you a lil loading bar with how far back you were

20:16:30 stompysteve: nvm it just opened

20:17:04 stompysteve: 33 weeks

20:17:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]

20:19:20 moiety: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27512421 derp

20:19:20 assbot: BBC News - French rail network admits train blunder

20:21:00 TomServo: sh log

20:21:18 TomServo: hah, oops!

20:21:32 pankkake: SNCF Fret, the business transport of SNCF, also often manages to *lose* cars

20:22:04 pankkake: SNCF Fret is an endless… trainwreck

20:26:02 moiety: lose cars?

20:32:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4798 = 1.4394 BTC [+]

20:38:03 princessnell: ;;later tell bitcoinpete on second thought wade has way bigger balls than i gave him credit for http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/2014/05/21/on-the-origin-of-white-power/ & http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-80/

20:38:05 assbot: On the Origin of White Power | The Primate Diaries, Scientific American Blog Network

20:38:07 assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Quote notes (#80)

20:38:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:39:06 mircea_popescu: you're steeped in stevie

20:39:43 asciilifeform: can't resist asking, mircea_popescu's ship has net access ?

20:39:45 mircea_popescu: stompysteve Current Blocks: 301960

20:40:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dun dun dun

20:40:31 mircea_popescu: this is just scheduled ircing. my ai power is so great, i have prepared responses in advance to anything you might inquire

20:43:39 jborkl_: so the Bitcoin foundatation spends $150k a month

20:43:46 mod6: ikr!

20:44:02 rithm: /s/spends/blows

20:44:28 jborkl_: so in 18 months they will be broke, sounds exactly correct as far as vc logic goes

20:44:39 rithm: lighting cigars with fresh hundreds can get expensive though amirite

20:44:44 mike_c: mp's irc ai: why did bitcoin go up?

20:44:45 jborkl_: well, the foundation will be broke, heh

20:44:47 fluffypony: I guess they're counting on a meteoric rise in BTC value

20:44:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.095 = 1.33 BTC [+]

20:45:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/Spencish/Lets%20Play/LetsPlay_06032010_171815.jpg

20:45:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c because perianne wanted to short it.

20:45:42 jborkl_: has the foundation even been around a year?

20:45:48 rithm: yes

20:45:50 mircea_popescu: jborkl_ bout a year and a half

20:46:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is that an old indy from like the 386 era ?

20:46:26 jborkl_: and how many people have they been trhough/resigned already? heh

20:46:28 rithm: they duped me out a few btc for their initial endowment

20:46:33 rithm: like the report says

20:46:39 mircea_popescu: the ark one ? where you can use the whip on the annoying chick in the original university setting ?

20:46:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aye. 'atlantis.' http://www.talking-time.net/showthread.php?t=9407&page=3

20:46:43 assbot: Selling More Fine Leather Jackets! Lets Play Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis! - Page 3 - The Return of Talking Time

20:46:48 mircea_popescu: aye

20:46:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that very same.

20:46:53 mircea_popescu: orichalcum fucking beads

20:47:08 rithm: hey bitcointalk.org forums have a large operating tho iirc

20:47:13 rithm: thermos gonna regulate

20:47:24 rithm: budget/donations

20:47:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4798 BTC [+]

20:48:23 mircea_popescu: princessnell he gets blown out of the water pretty thoroughly in that sciam piece.

20:48:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.479999 = 2.4 BTC [+]

20:48:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]

20:49:40 princessnell: mircea_popescu i mean its a masterful smear if that's what yr getting at

20:51:15 *: asciilifeform opens window, smells felinine. wonders how one street can support 200 housecats.

20:51:19 mircea_popescu: i've never read his book. but! the notions that a) there's three races ; b) that "whites" are in any sense "English" or c) that somehow passivity and civilisation correlate...

20:51:23 mircea_popescu: these are all massive lols to me

20:51:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lotta 30something women with reddit accounts on your street.

20:51:50 asciilifeform: lol!

20:51:57 princessnell: donny, yr out of yr element

20:52:13 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/

20:52:14 assbot: You are the community. You have all the power of the internet to mold it.

20:52:16 princessnell: the review straight up lies

20:52:29 mircea_popescu: princessnell but pls to inform us. where ?

20:52:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf

20:52:59 asciilifeform: how you even found this.

20:53:04 princessnell: mircea_popescu are you asking for a competent review?

20:53:43 mircea_popescu: princessnell sure. alternatively, for backing of the "straight lies" theory

20:53:43 asciilifeform: #23: 'I've got fungi everywhere and I cannot take it anymore (ranting)'

20:53:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform women. everything i find, women.

20:54:48 princessnell: mircea_popescu ok, second one is easier.

20:54:54 princessnell: '"Wade does not say Caucasians are better per se, merely better adapted (because of their genes) to the modern economic institutions that Western society has created, and which now dominate the world’s economy and culture." < lie

20:55:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your pet creatures read this heathen pit ?

20:55:18 mircea_popescu: princessnell you will notice that this wasn't on my list of three things. i discarded it as stupid anyway

20:55:22 mircea_popescu: i got enough of a filter for that.

20:55:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why shouldn't they ?

20:55:33 princessnell: got it

20:55:37 princessnell: ok: yr three things

20:56:37 princessnell: a) race is a degree of genetic relatedness. as such there is no limit to the number of categories you can create (alternatively no maximum that bounds it). wade painstakingly explains his use of "three races" heuristic and provides ample genetic evidence to support.

20:56:38 asciilifeform: #100 - 'In 2014, The Classical World Still Can't Stop Fat-Shaming Women'

20:57:02 princessnell: b) i have no idea where you got that from

20:57:14 asciilifeform: a full minute and still couldn't crack the enigma, where the classical world is hiding in 2014

20:57:16 asciilifeform: had to click

20:58:25 mircea_popescu: princessnell i got b from the slide. "He then explains why white people are better because of their genes. " mutates into "The second problem with Wade?s argument about the gentility of the English". this to me indicated the original fails to distinguish.

20:58:53 asciilifeform: http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/261u88/i_miss_being_an_escort_just_need_to_vent/

20:58:55 assbot: I miss being an escort. Just need to vent. : TwoXChromosomes

20:59:11 mircea_popescu: but for the record : english *speakers*, in which category *both* uk and us citizenry are minorities, is in its turn a minority in european affairs.

20:59:20 mircea_popescu: which are a majority but not a supermajority of whiteness

20:59:31 princessnell: mircea_popescu a farewell to alms was strengthened by the son also rises

20:59:52 princessnell: the reviewer is conflating to mislead

21:00:15 mircea_popescu: anyway, a race is not merely a degree of genetic relatedness. a race is a culturally recognised such degree. which is why you can't make the nell race just by having a lot of kids with random people.

21:00:53 princessnell: that is the point of the book! genes + cultural social behaviors

21:01:02 mircea_popescu: aite.

21:01:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as white is concerned, the bulgarians are probably more important than the us folk.

21:01:40 mircea_popescu: which you know... i strongly suspek neither reviewer nor reviewee even heard of to begin with

21:01:49 thestringpuller: http://www.maxfarquar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Oh-Fuck.png

21:03:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]

21:03:54 asciilifeform: http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/2619fn/i_am_a_failure_as_a_woman/

21:03:55 assbot: I am a failure as a woman. : TwoXChromosomes

21:05:33 *: asciilifeform used to read reddit. http://www.reddit.com/user/asciilifeform - but maxed out dosimeter.

21:05:34 assbot: overview for asciilifeform

21:05:47 mircea_popescu: were you kicked out for spamming from there too ?

21:05:53 asciilifeform: unfortunately not.

21:05:55 fluffypony: holy cow, 8 years

21:05:57 fluffypony: old guard

21:06:05 asciilifeform: reddit used to be sorta-ok

21:06:13 mircea_popescu: yes, before it became popular.

21:06:14 asciilifeform: back in.. '07 ?

21:06:28 fluffypony: eternal september

21:09:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2995 @ 0.000932 = 2.7913 BTC [+]

21:09:18 jborkl_: added next diff, block found by- still adding pool info have about half- finishing up live charting of btce,bitstamp and btcchina

21:09:24 *: asciilifeform still thinks the name stands for 'red edit'

21:09:56 asciilifeform: (☭)

21:11:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10756 @ 0.00093162 = 10.0205 BTC [-] {2}

21:21:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.0009312 = 4.1904 BTC [-]

21:32:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]

21:38:09 princessnell: speaking of women and bitcoin and reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/265e7s/my_soon_to_be_wife_wants_a_percentage_of_my/

21:38:10 assbot: My soon to be wife wants a percentage of my bitcoin holdings, what to do? : Bitcoin

21:38:18 rithm: run!

21:38:30 fluffypony: that thread is full of ridiculousness

21:38:39 mod6: yeah, srsly, run fast.

21:38:44 fluffypony: why

21:38:50 fluffypony: an ANC with accrual sorts that out

21:38:59 rithm: my wife of x years has no interest in mine

21:39:10 rithm: why does his non-wife of 0 years so interested

21:39:26 fluffypony: my assets were established in our ANC before we got married, and so were my wife's

21:39:33 mike_c: this seems like an easy problem. give her whatever percentage she wants and adjust the amount of coin she knows about accordingly.

21:39:41 mircea_popescu: princessnell pretty clear trollbait neh ?

21:39:48 fluffypony: if we get divorced those declared assets in the ANC cannot be touched, fin.

21:40:17 mircea_popescu: fluffypony you live in a sane country.

21:40:28 fluffypony: apparently

21:41:04 davout: fluffypony: what's an ANC ?

21:41:13 mircea_popescu: like a prenup

21:41:17 fluffypony: davout: Antenuptual Contract

21:41:24 davout: ok

21:41:36 mircea_popescu: nuptial

21:41:43 fluffypony: that thing

21:41:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0225505 = 0.2255 BTC [-] {2}

21:41:55 davout: who needs that now we have bitcoin

21:42:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]

21:43:12 mircea_popescu: afaik you can't get one in the uk

21:43:29 fluffypony: davout: at this juncture you still have to have some semblance of compliance with the law of the land...but I'd be interested to see a landmark case where the wife demands her portion of BTC and the husband refuses to hand over privkeys

21:43:39 mike_c: if i get a divorce i get 50% of her WoW gold

21:43:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225004 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}

21:43:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032502 = 0.1625 BTC [-] {2}

21:44:00 mike_c: plus all the best armor

21:44:04 mircea_popescu: lmao

21:44:06 jborkl: if you cant spend them they are not yours is the old saying in bitcoin rt

21:44:07 fluffypony: mike_c: so basically you'll be rich

21:44:15 mircea_popescu: fluffypony virtually so.

21:44:24 davout: i'm required to share assets, not multiply arbitrary secret numbers in case of divorce :-)

21:44:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.095 = 3.135 BTC [+]

21:45:01 mircea_popescu: anyway. the entire prenup thing is ridiculous in the west because of this "can't be unconscionable" approach to contract law.

21:45:15 mircea_popescu: so you know, it won't protect you, but you can have the piece of paper if you wish.

21:45:28 fluffypony: which is silly

21:46:19 fluffypony: I'm glad I live in a country where if someone burns themselves with coffee at McDonalds the best they can do is write a complaint on Hello Peter (customer service site) and get a form response from McDonalds

21:46:45 fluffypony: "We are so sorry to hear you burnt your gonads. Please accept this coupon for a Large Quarter Pounder with Cheese."

21:46:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 437 @ 0.095 = 41.515 BTC [+]

21:46:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.0225 = 0.4725 BTC [-] {2}

21:47:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 96 @ 0.095 = 9.12 BTC [+]

21:48:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.095 = 8.55 BTC [+]

21:49:48 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: pls to not have children who you also feed our poison to

21:50:32 fluffypony: lol

21:51:28 bitcoinpete: in other good news, our fair province is unstrapping itself to the usa and restrapping itself to china

21:51:35 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/469207764590284801

21:51:36 assbot: Keystone XL can't stop Alberta oil. TransMountain and Northern Gateway pivot towards China. http://t.co/QskpaWmKkB

21:51:59 bitcoinpete: we do want to matter!

21:52:25 mike_c: sorry, it would take some serious tectonic shifts for that to happen.

21:52:47 rithm: china and russia have vowed to destoy the petrodollar yo

21:53:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.0009347 = 4.58 BTC [+]

21:53:35 bitcoinpete: mike_c: and happening they are

21:53:46 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

21:53:47 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.47, Best ask: 493.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 493.56, 24 hour volume: 7875.02991908, 24 hour low: 484.09, 24 hour high: 499.1, 24 hour vwap: 492.207013094

21:53:48 benkay: y'all are asshats. my girl's got her own btc.

21:53:55 bitcoinpete: rithm: mos def.

21:54:07 bitcoinpete: benkay: a whole one? that's like an hour's prison time

21:54:18 benkay: singular plurlol

21:54:22 mircea_popescu: lol

21:54:25 rithm: poor usa :(

21:54:31 rithm: moar CNG fracking plz!

21:54:34 benkay: i'm the one going to jail.

21:54:48 benkay: she's going to have to get the brood and honored grandparents to ars.

21:54:56 bitcoinpete: benkay: you can't blame the states for that one

21:55:04 mike_c: bitcoinpete: i didn't mean tectonic as a metaphor. you're attached.

21:55:08 benkay: cannot be done with frozen assets.

21:55:57 bitcoinpete: mike_c: attached with thousands of kilometers of nothing in between.

21:56:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.0009357 = 37.6151 BTC [+] {6}

21:56:05 bitcoinpete: we have buffer for days

21:56:27 mike_c: we probably would get lost in the woods

21:56:57 bitcoinpete: ya, we're like russia without the cultural history

21:59:36 asciilifeform: why did the idiot (if real rather than hypothetical) tell the wife (?) about his coin ?

21:59:54 bitcoinpete: to get to the other side?

22:00:00 asciilifeform: 'not caught, not thief'

22:00:03 rithm: communications sensitive type

22:00:17 rithm: "shares"

22:00:38 mike_c: telling about is inevitable (as you know). now amounts..

22:00:58 rithm: sharing and providing are two completely different things

22:01:40 rithm: kinda how the ceo provides a paycheck and only shares what is relevant

22:02:17 rithm: buy let's be real ceo's don't provide anything of value tho amirite

22:05:03 benkay: <mike_c> telling about is inevitable (as you know). now amounts.. // i share allocation to the nearest ten percent, updated once per...year. at most.

22:05:20 benkay: and in buckets only of low and high risk

22:06:16 bitcoinpete: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2014/05/20/chip-bergh-levi-strauss/?xid=timerail

22:06:17 assbot: Levi Strauss CEO: Stop washing your jeans - Fortune Tech

22:06:28 mike_c: my wife knows two things. 1) i'm not telling her. 2) i'm not going to divorce her. so it works out.

22:10:43 bitcoinpete: "So, was Tuesday’s 10% leap in the bitcoin price triggered by good news – the favorable comments about bitcoin from a Fed advisory board, perhaps, or news of Circle’s launch at the Bitcoin 2104 conference?" << bwahahaha

22:11:01 bitcoinpete: fucking wsj bitbeat

22:11:22 bitcoinpete: yes, i'm sure it was all circle hype

22:11:46 bitcoinpete: or maybe it was news that the us was charging chinese spies with shit

22:14:38 benkay: or the bears could just be done.

22:14:52 benkay: but please, let's all opine more about what's driving the day's market irrationality.

22:15:21 bitcoinpete: humans love stories almost as much as we love fucking

22:16:54 mike_c: more like "humans" freak out when they don't understand something. when people ask me about why the market moved I give them the time-tested answer: God.

22:17:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0009312 = 8.567 BTC [-]

22:18:58 bitcoinpete: mike_c: the contemporary version is: science.

22:20:03 bitcoinpete: http://www.coindesk.com/budweiser-coinbase-partner-free-bitcoin-concert-attendees/

22:20:03 assbot: Budweiser, Coinbase Partner to Give Free Bitcoin to Concert Attendees

22:20:33 bitcoinpete: these muricans need to stop giving away $10 of coin here and $10 there. strippers are a waaay better investment

22:24:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+]

22:31:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0009312 = 11.0813 BTC [-]

22:35:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]

22:41:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1263 @ 0.00011921 = 0.1506 BTC [+] {4}

22:41:54 mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> yes, i'm sure it was all circle hype << dudes wanna matter. who's to tell them they won't ?

22:42:01 mircea_popescu: if someone were to tell them, why'd they listen ?

22:42:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 190 @ 0.095 = 18.05 BTC [+]

22:44:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 288 @ 0.095 = 27.36 BTC [+]

22:44:58 bitcoinpete: seems like people either show up here or disappear and not a lot in between

22:45:27 moiety: i think freenode had another fit

22:45:43 moiety: and am i the only nonmarried person left on the planet

22:45:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 68 @ 0.095 = 6.46 BTC [+]

22:45:56 moiety: mp doesn't count, he has too many to marry

22:45:59 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell princessnell thanks for the reads!

22:46:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:46:19 bitcoinpete: benkay ain't married. yet

22:46:26 moiety: as good as

22:46:37 bitcoinpete: don't think BingoBoingo is

22:46:53 moiety: he's a dark horse, you never know with him

22:47:03 bitcoinpete: or danielpbarron

22:47:17 bitcoinpete: maybe thestringpuller is solo?

22:47:58 bitcoinpete: then there's always gribble

22:48:33 moiety: no one would marry gribble the amount you have to fucking auth

22:48:48 moiety: tho, lasers....

22:48:49 mircea_popescu: moiety i ain't married.

22:49:00 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete sure he is.

22:49:03 moiety: you don't count, you have too many to marry!

22:49:17 mircea_popescu: i don't count because cunt ?

22:49:34 moiety: no i meant you couldn't marry them all

22:50:16 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: this, i did not know about gribs

22:51:53 moiety: i suppose i will just have to get more cats and read reddit more

22:54:34 bitcoinpete: oh man, there's a new forum! http://forum.ltbcoin.com

22:54:35 assbot: The LTB Network Forum

22:54:40 bitcoinpete: time for some lulz mining

22:56:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00093384 = 4.5291 BTC [+]

23:15:04 moiety: is it just me that gets really bored of reddit?

23:16:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}

23:17:37 jurov: it's not just you

23:18:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00093553 = 5.3325 BTC [+]

23:19:22 bitcoinpete: it's asciilifeform that's the big moldbug fan, right?

23:19:45 asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: i wouldn't go so far.

23:19:56 asciilifeform: i did read all of mr. mold, yes.

23:20:05 bitcoinpete: a ok. just a few articles then?

23:20:17 bitcoinpete: that you're a fan of...

23:21:30 asciilifeform: aye

23:21:55 asciilifeform: mostly, of a subset of the basic ideas therein.

23:22:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.0009362 = 9.0811 BTC [+] {2}

23:22:47 bitcoinpete: i found a little piece that goes into his background a bit. probably not news for you, but perhaps for some others here: http://thebaffler.com/blog/2014/05/mouthbreathing_machiavellis

23:22:48 assbot: Mouthbreathing Machiavellis Dream Of A Silicon Reich | Blog | The Baffler

23:23:07 asciilifeform: lol

23:23:18 bitcoinpete: "In short, Moldbug reads like an overconfident autodidact’s imitation of a Lewis Lapham essay—if Lewis Lapham were a fascist teenage Dungeon Master."

23:24:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.095 = 3.42 BTC [+]

23:24:52 bitcoinpete: the rest of the article is about some anticapitalist tranarchist (transgender anarchist) who became a hard-right seditionist and created a petition to put eric schmidt in the white house as "ceo of america"

23:27:28 asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: read that turd; kept waiting for the seemingly-obligatory mention of 'galt's gulch' - disappointed! not there!

23:27:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00093384 = 7.1439 BTC [-]

23:28:45 bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: lol maybe in part 2 of this epic series

23:29:18 asciilifeform: the anti-moldbug pieces (yes there's more than one) typically accuse mold & co. of the ultimate anti-democratic crime: republikflucht.

23:29:22 asciilifeform: ;;google republikflucht

23:29:22 gribble: Republikflucht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republikflucht; User:A13ean/Work on Republikflucht - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:A13ean/Work_on_Republikflucht; Crossing the Line: Republikflucht between Defection and Migration ...: (1 more message)

23:29:39 asciilifeform: 'how dare you contemplate a refusal to be harvested.'

23:30:34 bitcoinpete: 'sit still!'

23:31:07 HeySteve: "so spurious it was deleted from wikipedia." lol

23:31:20 HeySteve: checking out this Moldbug guy, sounds interesting

23:31:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions/Welcome.html << interesting u.s. gov. 'wall of shame' for radio traffic violators

23:33:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions/files/Grow_13_04_19_5321.html << particularly interesting are the 'name withheld' complaints, like this one

23:34:44 asciilifeform: http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions/files/X-Box12_04_10_5314.html

23:42:25 dignork: asciilifeform: they where probably underage

23:42:35 asciilifeform: lol

23:50:34 danielpbarron: <+bitcoinpete> or danielpbarron << correct

23:50:52 bitcoinpete: haha!

23:51:00 bitcoinpete: ^ moiety