Transcript for 21-05-2014, 1399 lines:
00:00:18 benkay: a contract covering work for pay is an interesting beast. should it include an address for payment so that when published in the event of breach anyone can verify that payment was not made?
00:00:37 benkay: this is a purely theoretical question.
00:00:53 mircea_popescu: up to the parties.
00:01:06 mircea_popescu: it's a field in which a lot of experimental work still has to be poured before we really know
00:01:14 benkay: and jurov how dare you intimate that anyone sent me any btc?! i live in the states! they'd put me in the gasenwagen!
00:01:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0220031 = 0.22 BTC [-]
00:01:33 benkay: i disavow receipt of any btc.
00:04:22 danielpbarron: i include the address in the signed contract for exactly that reason
00:06:18 benkay: hey princess.
00:06:22 benkay: !up hecate
00:06:31 benkay: handles are getting creative.
00:10:44 benkay: are there any -assets blessed crypto-only exchanges?
00:11:21 benkay: !up princessnell
00:11:27 princessnell: ty
00:12:02 mircea_popescu: !up hecate
00:12:04 princessnell: have u seen this gem? http://pastebin.com/Zt7fBtRp
00:12:04 assbot: Open letter to federal scum - Pastebin.com
00:12:09 benkay: d'oh
00:12:16 mircea_popescu: princessnell yes.
00:12:49 mircea_popescu: what the fuck does that mean, another 30 minutes
00:14:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0220031 = 0.22 BTC [-]
00:15:11 benkay: princessnell: is that real life?
00:16:23 princessnell: benkay 'if you see it in MOTHERBOARD, it's so'
00:17:00 artifexd: I could really use some advice. I find myself in a position that I, honestly, never expected.
00:17:16 artifexd: The company for which I work is being bought.
00:17:43 artifexd: It is a small company. Less than 20 people.
00:18:11 artifexd: Any thoughts or advice for me? Is there any extra information I can provide that would help get better advice?
00:20:36 mircea_popescu: off twitter : Her: ?Will you try a veggie burger for lunch?? Me: ?Sure, if the bun's made out of steak.?
00:20:59 mircea_popescu: artifexd you could help a lot by explaining what exactly are you trying to get advice for
00:21:11 dignork: artifexd: M&A is fun, if you are bought by a bigger company, try to inflate your position now, might get moar money
00:21:16 mircea_popescu: sleeping with the acquirer's wife ? keeping your red stapler ? how to cook a veggie burger with a steak bun ?
00:21:35 artifexd: That's the thing. I don't know what advice I need.
00:21:45 mircea_popescu: well are you trying to solve any particular problem ?
00:22:00 mircea_popescu: do you have any sort of goal ?
00:22:04 mircea_popescu: help us out here lol
00:22:16 artifexd: Goal.... thinking...
00:22:39 artifexd: Goal number 1: As much money in a lump payment as possible.
00:22:40 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I wanna know how to cook a veggie burger with a steak bun, sounds tasty.
00:23:13 artifexd: Goal number 2: Maintain the autonomy that I have enjoyed for the last few years.
00:23:28 artifexd: Goal number 3: A raise.
00:23:56 artifexd: I figure the lump sum payment I get from stock options is already set, right?
00:24:58 dignork: artifexd: stock options, check taxing, you might want to hold them off
00:25:49 artifexd: How? Until when?
00:26:47 artifexd: It isn't an amount that will make me independently wealthy, but it will greatly improve my current situation.
00:26:49 dignork: artifexd: i'm not a real accountant :), but you should consult one, move to IRA maybe, dunno.
00:27:34 artifexd: "Inflate my position" What does that mean? The company is small enough that everyone knows my contributions.
00:28:24 dignork: for a larger company, your previous "rank" might change your salary, so in your interests to achieve highest rank possible
00:29:10 dignork: it's a game though, if you are too high-ranked, they might fire you, due to position duplicity
00:29:44 dignork: so don't be a CFO for example
00:30:29 artifexd: If it makes a difference, I'm a programmer/coder/developer. My official (self-appointed) title is "Deviser and Artifex".
00:30:34 mircea_popescu: artifexd listen, you need to hire a tax attorney at this point.
00:30:46 mircea_popescu: there's no way you can get pertinent advice without the details.
00:31:04 artifexd: That *is* good advice.
00:31:04 mircea_popescu: blow a few grand on hiring someone, it';s the right time to do it.
00:31:22 mircea_popescu: you'll discover, even if you overpay today, you'll discover in time you wouldn't have undone it.
00:31:54 artifexd: Correction: That *is* pertinent advice.
00:32:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.0042 = 1.26 BTC [-] {2}
00:33:24 mircea_popescu: and other than that, have an open and relaxed negotiation strategy. tell the acquirer's expert that you aren't interested in anything but a position with the authonomy you enjoyed previously, and they can let you know.
00:35:19 artifexd: Any recommendations for what to ask them? I mean, what are things that are in question when one company acquires another? For example, it didn't even occur to me that my salary would change, as mentioned by dignork
00:35:44 mike_c: is the sale a good thing or is it because the company is struggling?
00:36:38 artifexd: A good thing.
00:36:39 dignork: artifexd: some larger company have lame rules defining allowed salalry limits per rank, hope your case would be different
00:36:51 dignork: company=companies
00:37:09 artifexd: It has long been the stated goal of our ceo to get bought.
00:37:26 artifexd: "Long" meaning "since I came onboard"
00:37:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf, how do you 'patch secret bug' in open source product ?!
00:38:25 benkay: %b
00:38:29 benkay: %t
00:38:34 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 187 Ask: 277 Last Price: 278 24h-Vol: 128k High: 280 Low: 159 VWAP: 188
00:38:43 asciilifeform: what did they have to smoke for this to make sense?
00:40:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nm that.
00:40:53 mircea_popescu: official core devs !!1
00:41:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: ssd - if there were a hardware raid that worked well with ssd of some description (or, for that matter, vice-versa) i would buy it. on account of hating spindle noise.
00:41:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno what your noise issue is man, i used to live with the large ventilated felix
00:41:50 mircea_popescu: sort-of like a large mining rig, except more useless.
00:42:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 203 @ 0.00420001 = 0.8526 BTC [+]
00:42:12 asciilifeform: why not simply connect the extant ones? basic problem is that ssd units from same batch tend to die in unison, when used in just about any variant of raid (why - exercise for reader)
00:43:36 mircea_popescu: this is why you don't use same-manuf for ssds
00:43:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: live with the large ventilated felix << http://www.nzeldes.com/HOC/IronFelix.htm ???!
00:43:43 assbot: "Iron Felix" meets the Odhner calculator
00:44:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no lol, this closet sized pdp-clone wannabe
00:44:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47925 BTC [-]
00:45:02 mircea_popescu: apparently it doesn't even exist on the internet it was so sikrit
00:45:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.095 = 0.57 BTC [+]
00:45:52 mircea_popescu: there you go
00:46:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol! who even knows how many soviet pdp.
00:46:53 mircea_popescu: this was actually homebrew, originally made by the atomic physics folks at magurele
00:47:02 mircea_popescu: eventually it just became a toy for students to play with
00:47:18 mircea_popescu: but anyway. loud. who cares!
00:47:23 asciilifeform: how'd you end up sleeping on (in? with?) it ?
00:47:43 mircea_popescu: cause it was in the physics lab and i was sleepy
00:47:50 asciilifeform: aha
00:47:58 mircea_popescu: they had this huge round air vent thing, kinda comfortable to sit in
00:49:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/05/20_this-is-why-distributed-exchanges-are-doomed-to-failure.html
00:49:25 assbot: this is why distributed exchanges are doomed to failure
00:50:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, decay experiments, i dunno if you know, are - or were ? - this particular brand of evil.
00:50:47 mircea_popescu: "well, by midnight we should have about twelve ticks or so"
00:50:59 mircea_popescu: time's 11:30 and the thing ticked once...
00:51:11 mircea_popescu: come to think about it, quite exactly like mining.
00:51:17 asciilifeform: lol yes. i did much the same thing, in a vastly different context (scintillation counter, bio. assay)
00:51:46 asciilifeform: re: fans/spindles: i know folks of two opposing schools of thought re: comp noise. variant 1 - powerful machine, must sing, like 'harley davidson'; variant 2 - want quiet, like german bmw, not air-cooled 'trabant'
00:52:01 mircea_popescu: ya i guess im more like 1
00:52:01 asciilifeform: (i'm with '2')
00:52:06 mircea_popescu: heretic
00:52:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you'd really love my Symbolics 3620 then.
00:52:55 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Măgurele << romania's version of cheliabinks
00:52:56 assbot: Mgurele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
00:52:58 asciilifeform: unambiguous 'harley'
00:55:08 asciilifeform: (for those innocent: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/22982/Symbolics-3620 )
00:55:08 assbot: Symbolics 3620 - Computing History
00:56:55 mircea_popescu: pity it never caught on
00:57:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually an interesting historical topic. these people never wanted to 'catch on' in the modern sense
00:57:37 asciilifeform: they made 'ferraris', so to speak
00:57:46 asciilifeform: then the only folks who could afford them - went broke.
00:58:06 mircea_popescu: i suspect the problem had a lot more to do with them being plagued by bob becks than anything intentional.
00:58:09 asciilifeform: (reagan's 'star wars' and the associated pig trough)
00:58:35 asciilifeform: there's a paper floating about for many years, arguing that SMBX died of gross mismanagement
00:59:18 mircea_popescu: sounds credible to me.
00:59:36 asciilifeform: and here's weinreb (recently deceased. one of the founders) on death of same.
00:59:37 asciilifeform: http://danweinreb.org/blog/why-did-symbolics-fail
00:59:38 assbot: Why Did Symbolics Fail? | Software and Innovation
01:00:21 mircea_popescu: weinreb's passing actually makes me think about the following
01:00:27 mircea_popescu: suppose the year is 2215.
01:00:37 asciilifeform: i used to be a quasi-serious student of the subject of 'why smbx dead' - until i realized that i'm getting nowhere, everyone i want to talk to is buried.
01:00:43 mircea_popescu: willy-nilly the various blogs left by various people important in 2015, if still extant,
01:01:05 mircea_popescu: have gone through a long list of conservatorships and whatnot
01:01:21 mircea_popescu: this isn't something we're really too apt to handle, the material published on their own blogs by meanwhile long dead people
01:01:26 mircea_popescu: i wonder how will it work out
01:01:43 asciilifeform: naggum's material comes to mind as one example
01:01:56 asciilifeform: (no real organization, but encyclopaedic completeness at least)
01:01:56 mircea_popescu: right. the time's advanced enough for this problem to start showing at the edges
01:02:00 mircea_popescu: in a way it didn't in say 1994.
01:02:07 mircea_popescu: soon it'll become quite massive.
01:02:44 mircea_popescu: i mean even the notion of a blog is maybe 20 years old tops. that's within reasonable lifespan.
01:02:50 mircea_popescu: but approaching the cusp
01:02:53 asciilifeform: the problem is made somewhat more dire by the fact that the folks traditionally interested in the subject ('library sciences' types) - as i understand - didn't make the jump to electronics really
01:03:13 mircea_popescu: nor do they have any sort of a clue as to how and why and what and so on
01:03:29 mircea_popescu: we're perhaps approaching a strange "collapse of the roman empire" situation from an entirely different angle
01:04:12 asciilifeform: ted nelson (for all his faults) predicted this very same thing, in the 1960s
01:04:19 mircea_popescu: "At the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab, fifteen researchers shared a computer with a .001 GHz CPU and .002 GB of main memory."
01:04:25 mircea_popescu: gotta love the guy's style.
01:05:02 mircea_popescu: "We had great success amongst primary customers. I think we could have found a lot more of them if our marketing had been better. For example, did you know that Symbolics had a world-class software development environment for Fortran, C, Ada, and other popular languages, with amazing semantics-understanding in the editor, a powerful debugger, the ability for the languages to call each other, and so on? We put a lot of
01:05:02 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
01:05:02 mircea_popescu: work into those, but they were never publicized or advertised."
01:05:15 mircea_popescu: ok, i win. bob beck sunk symbolix.
01:05:23 asciilifeform: wtf is a bob beck
01:05:38 asciilifeform: bob the goatfucker ?
01:06:19 mircea_popescu: " We at Symbolics were slow to acknowledge this. We believed our own ?dogma? even as it became less true. It was embedded in our corporate culture. If you disputed it, your co-workers felt that you ?just didn?t get it? and weren?t a member of the clan, so to speak. This stifled objective analysis. (This is a very easy problem to fall into ? don?t let it happen to you!)"
01:06:20 mircea_popescu: heh.
01:06:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck/
01:06:27 assbot: The public burning of Bob Beck pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
01:06:35 asciilifeform: aha!
01:06:57 asciilifeform: re: weibreb's style...
01:07:10 *: asciilifeform dusts off his copy of the Chinanual
01:07:23 mircea_popescu: Also, a lot of Symbolics sales were based on the promise of rule-based expert systems, of which the early examples were written in Lisp. Rule-based expert systems are a fine thing, and are widely used today (but often not in Lisp). But they were tremendously over-hyped by certain academics and by their industry, resulting in a huge backlash around 1988. ?Artificial Intelligence? fell out of favor; the ?AI Winter
01:07:23 mircea_popescu: ? had arrived. << yeah.
01:07:25 asciilifeform: (aka 'chinual')
01:07:34 mircea_popescu: they mismanaged pretty much every aspect of market dominance.
01:08:03 mircea_popescu: one should make a jobs vs noftsker case study
01:09:26 asciilifeform: titanically great product (to the point that, imho, it has never been equalled) but they rode a very particular wave of bezzola, ended up going down with it.
01:09:31 mircea_popescu: course... i seem to also remember some massive rms drama
01:09:38 asciilifeform: mostly in head of rms
01:09:46 mircea_popescu: isn;t it all ?
01:09:57 assbot: Rebuttal to Stallmans Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI | Software and Innovation
01:10:26 mircea_popescu: "Meanwhile, back at Symbolics, there were huge internal management conflicts, leading to the resignation of much of top management, who were replaced by the board of directors with new CEO?s who did not do a good job" i dunno..
01:11:15 mircea_popescu: "Symbolics signed long-term leases on big new offices and a new factory, anticipating growth that did not come, and were unable to sublease the properties due to office-space gluts, which drained a great deal of money."
01:11:21 mircea_popescu: the only missing ingredient so far heh.
01:12:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
01:14:02 mircea_popescu: "or example, remember that the first viable Windows O/S, release 3.1, came out in in 1990"
01:14:05 mircea_popescu: wait, 3.1 was viable ?!
01:14:10 mircea_popescu: in what sense of viability lol
01:14:33 asciilifeform: viable in the butugychag sense. you can live there for a bit...
01:14:47 asciilifeform: with external prodding.
01:15:20 asciilifeform: so, can live, with steady supply of inmates
01:15:41 mircea_popescu: right.
01:20:01 mircea_popescu: "And while I?m setting the record straight, the original (TECO-based) Emacs was created and designed by Guy L. Steele Jr. and David Moon. After they had it working, and it had become established as the standard text editor at the AI lab, Stallman took over its maintenance."
01:20:02 mircea_popescu: ahahaha
01:20:08 mircea_popescu: so THIS is the actual root of the emacs wars ?
01:20:18 asciilifeform: this is a fairly well-known fact (i thought)
01:20:51 mircea_popescu: well not by me
01:20:55 []bot: Bet created: Cardano to Ship in 2014 (http://bitbet.us/bet/859/)
01:21:06 mircea_popescu: (granted, my interest in this sort of minutia is faint)
01:21:17 mircea_popescu: o look at that asciilifeform... not a whole lot of confidence.
01:21:33 asciilifeform: lol
01:23:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the bob beck thing is epic
01:23:31 asciilifeform: where do they even get them.
01:23:40 mircea_popescu: quite
01:23:48 mircea_popescu: i'll tell you :
01:24:08 mircea_popescu: there's these things people like doing, like say rubbing their scrotum. and then there's these other things people don't like doing, like cooking and cleanning.
01:24:22 mircea_popescu: clearly thus therefore cooking and cleanning is stupid, and definitely not something one should learn or study or do well
01:24:42 mircea_popescu: because nobody ever has to put effort where they already suck, because they don't suck, it's just the problem that's unworthy of attention.
01:24:57 mircea_popescu: and so they end up with the stupidest contributor doing the most important parts : interfacing with the world.
01:25:13 mircea_popescu: it is very easy to interface with a computer : it's pinned down in place, mechanical and stupider than you.
01:25:33 mircea_popescu: it is insanely difficult to interface with the world, mostly because the world is principally made out of people smarter than you will ever be.
01:25:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'любишь кататься люби и саночки возить' (proverb. 'like sledding? like pulling sled then, too.'
01:25:36 mircea_popescu: and so... bob beck.
01:33:57 moiety: I'm turning in, night everyone :]
01:40:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.095 = 0.285 BTC [+]
01:44:35 mircea_popescu: "The Economist @TheEconomist ? 2h The far-right may triumph in the EU parliament elections but they won't achieve much there"
01:44:46 mircea_popescu: dude im so fucking sick of the left spin
01:45:26 mircea_popescu: how about the right accomplishes firing your wife, dear economist, from her "womens studies" uni position ?
01:50:37 mircea_popescu: !up RepentOrPerish
01:51:09 F40PH: yo
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02:00:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46500005 = 0.93 BTC [-] {2}
02:01:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 45 @ 0.0220031 = 0.9901 BTC [-]
02:02:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.03214332 = 1.9286 BTC [-] {11}
02:03:51 F40PH: !ops
02:03:56 F40PH: no ops function?
02:04:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.03300804 = 1.3863 BTC [+] {5}
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02:08:33 Apocalyptic: !down F40PH
02:08:48 thestringpuller: ident first
02:08:52 Azelphur: !down F40PH
02:08:54 Azelphur: I helped
02:08:55 Apocalyptic: thx Azelphur
02:13:27 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
02:13:29 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.79, Best ask: 494.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 494.58, 24 hour volume: 29696.05623876, 24 hour low: 447.63, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.724107341
02:22:48 []bot: Bet placed: 50 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment (http://bitbet.us/bet/786/)". Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 1307.03879007 BTC. Current weight: 80,465.
02:26:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1020 @ 0.0041 = 4.182 BTC [-]
02:28:23 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/468941331696734208
02:28:24 assbot: New study: Hiring managers do not value Liberal Arts degree, said "no degree" would be better: http://t.co/5oWByf23ey (yikes?)
02:28:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47923092 = 2.3962 BTC [+] {4}
02:29:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03949161 = 0.2369 BTC [+] {2}
02:32:05 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
02:32:06 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.67, Best ask: 496.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.83000, Last trade: 496.5, 24 hour volume: 29266.10215098, 24 hour low: 451.01, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.739040274
02:33:49 artifexd: Idea for a bet: Total bet on 786 to exceed 2500BTC
02:34:48 mircea_popescu: too easy to manipulate tho
02:35:35 mircea_popescu: for that matter, 2.5k is certain
02:35:46 mircea_popescu: 25k moar like a good bar
02:35:47 artifexd: Sure. If you have that kind of cheddar to throw around, sure.
02:35:58 artifexd: Seriously?
02:36:00 mircea_popescu: there's 12mn bitcoins mined./
02:36:57 artifexd: That would make for a nice S.BBET dividend.
02:37:03 mircea_popescu: yes seriously. look at say http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/
02:37:04 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 :: 1750.25 B (93%) on Yes, 136.67 B (7%) on No | closed 3 months 3 weeks ago
02:37:26 mircea_popescu: most volume was in january, not in november.
02:37:49 mircea_popescu: i'd guess the berkshire bet will have reached half its total bet sum sometime this autumn
03:08:12 benkay: o hey bra
03:08:33 benkay: boo. finger macro fail.
03:14:48 thestringpuller: benkay: is a benkay
03:14:56 thestringpuller: cascade
03:15:18 thestringpuller: i feel like that's an anagram that is going over my head
03:24:21 benkay: ;;ticker
03:24:22 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.02, Best ask: 493.62, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 26225.50220859, 24 hour low: 454.38, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.830339419
03:28:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0220031 = 0.264 BTC [-]
03:30:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00420006 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}
03:33:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.0229989 = 0.437 BTC [+]
03:40:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 27 @ 0.03949984 = 1.0665 BTC [+] {2}
03:41:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.095 = 0.855 BTC [+]
03:51:49 benkay: ;;ticker
03:51:50 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.75, Best ask: 494.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 25806.57301911, 24 hour low: 454.38, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.842344556
03:52:32 benkay: ;;ticker --market all
03:52:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 494.0, vol: 25806.57301911 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 481.2, vol: 16732.93168 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 495.24, vol: 19831.56670882 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 499.0, vol: 129.10944697 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 489.076903, vol: 5655.75180000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 493.79, vol: 24.98197601 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 482.880017, vol: 176.91035795 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
04:09:58 assbot: 66% of Dutch want old currency the Guilder back. Mere 26% supports status quo of Netherlands as member of EU. http://t.co/rlboTfPV16
04:10:58 bitcoinpete: burn dat paper
04:11:41 bitcoinpete: "For the 13 months he spent at Allenwood Federal Correctional Complex and the span he spent before then awaiting trial, Auernheimer is asking the government to pay his current market-determined rate of 1 BTC an hour, amounting to 28,296 bitcoins, or $13,200,000 USD as of this writing."
04:12:44 bitcoinpete: Isn't moiety only getting 1 bitcent an hour? and this dude wants 100x that
04:12:47 bitcoinpete: c'mon
04:39:22 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron I'm coming around to the idea that it i probably best to keep your bitcoin wallets away from your nodes.
04:39:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.
04:39:34 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: But Weev is a great freedom fighter.
04:43:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 39 @ 0.03893267 = 1.5184 BTC [-] {5}
04:43:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.095 = 1.9 BTC [+]
04:43:40 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron I also don't think it is possible to build bitcoind/qt on any platform without throwing at least an error.
04:43:41 gribble: The operation succeeded.
04:44:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.038115 = 0.343 BTC [-]
05:26:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.095 = 1.045 BTC [+]
05:28:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.03949979 = 0.4345 BTC [+]
05:46:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.47899999 = 4.311 BTC [-] {2}
05:48:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [+]
06:14:37 BingoBoingo: %book
06:18:29 BingoBoingo: https://medium.com/message/81e5f33a24e1
06:18:30 assbot: Everything Is Broken The Message Medium
06:42:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.479 = 1.916 BTC [+]
06:42:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
06:49:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.03949979 = 0.4345 BTC [+]
07:13:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.03820692 = 1.4137 BTC [-] {8}
07:47:37 fluffypony: replace VS with XCode and you have the same issue on OS X
07:50:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.127 BTC [-]
09:18:09 fluffypony: oh!
09:18:11 fluffypony: !up anarkitty
09:18:23 fluffypony: !up anarkitty
09:18:26 fluffypony: there we go
09:18:29 fluffypony: hi anarkitty
09:18:59 fluffypony: I just got your reddit reply...sent 3 hours ago...I should check that more regularly
09:20:00 moiety: morning all :]
09:20:19 fluffypony: moiety: mornings
09:23:35 moiety: scotland has sun! I'm in shock :]
09:24:05 fluffypony: lol
09:44:05 punkman: hawt ;) http://imgur.com/a/X1qKV
09:44:05 assbot: Hotel room fun - Imgur
09:44:29 punkman: guess kitty went to sleep now
09:45:18 fluffypony: ja
09:45:27 fluffypony: well, MP isn't around anyway
09:45:33 fluffypony: will wait for both of them to be up
09:49:33 moiety: new satire page Britain Furst
09:50:01 punkman: that's a furst rate turban
09:50:08 fluffypony: lol
09:56:09 pankkake: TradeFortress is now known as "Free hugs! ♥" on scamtalk
09:56:39 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Really?
09:56:53 pankkake: yes really. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135157.msg6850730#msg6850730
09:56:53 assbot: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC
09:57:32 pankkake: goat started the trend, I guess
09:59:09 fluffypony: yeah
09:59:14 fluffypony: he renamed himself
09:59:23 fluffypony: and put "aka Tradefortress" as his description
10:00:26 fluffypony: at least he dropped the BitBet affil link out of his signature
10:01:52 moiety: "His posts seem a tad strange" lol
10:14:32 fluffypony: mircea_popescu
10:14:48 mircea_popescu: sup
10:14:50 fluffypony: anarkitty is in the room - she sent me a message on Reddit 3 hrs ago, so presumably she's asleep now
10:15:14 mircea_popescu: anarkitty hey there
10:15:16 mircea_popescu: !up anarkitty
10:15:23 mircea_popescu: sluts sleep ?!
10:15:26 fluffypony: idle for 4 hours
10:15:46 mircea_popescu: that's long enough then :D
10:16:10 fluffypony: :-P
10:16:15 mircea_popescu: wait idle for 4 hours on webirc and she didn't get cut off ? helluva great connection she's got
10:16:19 mircea_popescu: i thought she was in the us.
10:17:11 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
10:17:12 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.94, Best ask: 494.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 494.94, 24 hour volume: 23878.21163108, 24 hour low: 455.07, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 484.900683671
10:17:24 mircea_popescu: moving up in the world.
10:17:59 fluffypony: yeah, will take a bit of doing to get through the wall at 500
10:18:09 moiety: why do I never get the ping timeout thing? is it my client?
10:18:42 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: Isn't moiety only getting 1 bitcent an hour? and this dude wants 100x that << if people could make a bitcoin/hour sitting in a us prison we'd definitely need to increase the block rewards.
10:18:47 mircea_popescu: moiety yes.
10:19:23 mircea_popescu: ;;seen anarkitty
10:19:23 gribble: I have not seen anarkitty.
10:19:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol so she's just not said anything ?
10:19:42 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: she wasn't voiced
10:19:51 fluffypony: so when she got here and tried to talk...lol...
10:19:57 mircea_popescu: o i c
10:20:16 mircea_popescu: i guess remarkably patient girl then huh.
10:21:27 mircea_popescu: pankkake: TradeFortress is now known as "Free hugs! ♥" on scamtalk << why is it always the scammers that push the purely formal "be nice to people" angle ? o wait! because that's how mimicry works, and that's what they are!
10:25:09 moiety: weev said himself “because it's fucking hilarious to demand money from feds for a McVeigh Memorial grove,” adding “I honestly think we need to build statues of them just to piss off federal agents really.”
10:25:37 moiety: and i still dont believe he is a scammer.
10:26:26 mircea_popescu: who, weev ?
10:29:48 moiety: no tf
10:30:40 mircea_popescu: didn't he run off with a bunch of bitcoinz ?
10:30:52 fluffypony: he "lost" 4200 Bitcoins
10:31:09 moiety: i don't think he did though and i believe he reimbursed what he could out of his own funds
10:31:24 mircea_popescu: ...
10:31:29 mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/tx/eb37287bdebf6b52553f1538e7c46e0ec4f1cd4701d5c17ad9f6047a0fa52814 you mean this ?
10:31:30 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction eb37287bdebf6b52553f1538e7c46e0ec4f1cd4701d5c17ad9f6047a0fa52814
10:31:41 moiety: i wasn't really watching the forum through all of this, i knew him in a different capacity
10:31:45 pankkake: he probably lost them throught CoinLenders. still a scam, running a fractionnal reserve is a scam
10:31:57 mircea_popescu: moiety like... your bf ?
10:32:05 moiety: no lol
10:32:21 moiety: i was a mod at coinchat then he just gave the thing to me when he left
10:32:24 mircea_popescu: pankkake that's easily believable
10:32:33 moiety: cus everyone flipped out when it went offline
10:33:01 mircea_popescu: hardly an argument now is it kitten.
10:33:25 moiety: no, not an argument, just what i feel
10:34:00 mircea_popescu: yeah. the problem is that this take in 4k btc, take a vacation for half a year then come back and split a btc or two to the idiots is really very good business.
10:34:13 mircea_popescu: and if it becomes socially acceptable bitcoin will become entirely sealed off to the poor.
10:34:20 mircea_popescu: even as it is they have a hard time.
10:35:06 moiety: lots of people close due to hacks (whether true or not) and don't reimburse anything
10:35:30 mircea_popescu: and none of them may come back, ever again, in any capacity.
10:35:44 mircea_popescu: sooner or later people will come to the realisation that reputation is worth a helluva lot than money,
10:36:01 mircea_popescu: which was in fact truth, plain as day, for as long as the state was weak and the hansa and its successor guilds ruled supreme.
10:36:26 fluffypony: moiety
10:36:33 fluffypony: the problem is
10:36:47 fluffypony: it's hard to say with any degree of certainty that he didn't con people out
10:36:48 cazalla: tradefortress was on national tv talking about the loss, almost having a laugh
10:36:51 fluffypony: of their Bitcoin
10:36:59 mircea_popescu: cazalla he's an aussie ?
10:37:02 cazalla: yeah
10:37:20 cazalla: well, lives/lived here, probably an asian student
10:37:27 mircea_popescu: o another one huh.
10:37:54 cazalla: i'll see if i can find the recording
10:37:59 mircea_popescu: good idea
10:38:23 assbot: Australian bitcoin user TradeFortress says site hacked, $1 million in virtual currency stolen - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
10:38:29 moiety: i know fluffypony it's just too hard for me to believe that
10:38:48 fluffypony: moiety: let me put it this way
10:38:57 fluffypony: for that amount of money even the most straight-laced individual would have a hard time not wanting to lift a little
10:39:10 fluffypony: and once you've stolen a little it snowballs into "how can I steal the whole lot"
10:39:21 fluffypony: the reason this doesn't happen in big companies is because of the number of people involved
10:39:26 fluffypony: you'd have to collude with so many
10:39:36 mircea_popescu: fluffypony except itdoes happen in big companies.
10:39:39 fluffypony: when you have 1 person holding millions?
10:39:51 mircea_popescu: the only reason it doesn't happen, as long as it doesn't, is that they don't actually have access to it.
10:40:02 mircea_popescu: basic corp governance, nobody may write checks on the corp account.
10:40:10 fluffypony: yes exactly
10:40:17 fluffypony: old school version of multi-sig
10:40:18 fluffypony: :-P
10:40:24 mircea_popescu: not even
10:40:34 mircea_popescu: see, you simply can not write a check. at all. no sig whatsoever
10:40:47 mircea_popescu: corp only pays specific types of things to specific types of people and that's that.
10:41:03 mircea_popescu: which is why random nobodies can't b2b. because for the corp, it's too much like simply being stolen from
10:41:15 mircea_popescu: so you gotta have a big corp to sell overpriced shit to another big corp
10:41:18 mircea_popescu: it's a whole bezzle.
10:41:25 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoingirl
10:42:19 mircea_popescu: this happens to also be why i'm quite so powerful. sure there's other people with money on twitter, VCs or whatnot.
10:42:28 bitcoingirl: Mircea I have some questions for you
10:42:35 mircea_popescu: the difference is that i can write a check for ten millioin dollars to a stripper, if i feel like it
10:42:37 mircea_popescu: they... not.
10:42:54 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl ok but make it quick cause i gotta go to town in a few minutes.
10:43:01 mircea_popescu: or if not, later today.
10:43:08 bitcoingirl: can we go to private chate
10:43:10 bitcoingirl: chat
10:43:16 mircea_popescu: go ahead
10:44:04 bitcoingirl: is it gribble?
10:44:15 mircea_popescu: lol you go /query mircea_popescu nooblet
10:44:44 fluffypony: moiety: and just to re-iterate, I don't know the guy, so I'm not judging his character either way, I'm just saying that *anyone* with sole control over that amount of money would have a tough time staying honest
10:45:48 BingoBoingo: I just can't get over TF losing a decade from his age by becoming insolvent.
10:46:13 fluffypony: lol
10:46:15 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/ONFRysx.jpg
10:46:18 moiety: i totally understand that. I'm the way I am because I didn't know the business of it all, i knew the character and thats why it's so hard for me to believe
10:46:49 cazalla: TF probably finished his degree and like a lot of international students, pull a fast one on credit cards etc etc and piss off back home to avoid paying back the debt
10:46:54 mircea_popescu: !up anarkitty
10:47:14 fluffypony: moiety: whenever someone gets arrested for huge amounts of fraud, pedophilia, whatever, they interview all his neighbours and friends and they're always like "we're so shocked, he's such a nice guy!"
10:47:15 mircea_popescu: cazalla has an excellent theory, i had no idea he's another zhou tong
10:48:24 fluffypony: most of the people I'd trust with any portion of my money are not particularly "nice" people. Approachable, sure, and always reasonable, but not nice by any definition of the term.
10:48:40 mircea_popescu: hey, makes two of us
10:51:11 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
10:51:13 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.68, Best ask: 496.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.97000, Last trade: 494.68, 24 hour volume: 23910.36995140, 24 hour low: 455.2, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 484.977061657
10:54:01 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell anarkitty hey there. ima be out for a few hours, but please don't go anywhere, i wanna talk to you whjen i'm back. you can talk to me directly by going /query mircea_popescu whether you have voice or not.
10:54:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.
10:54:06 bitcoingirl: does anyone have a guess on what drove the price up 10% yesterday?
10:54:45 assbot: A Guillotine On a Stick That Lets You Play Caesar With Slugs
10:55:41 BingoBoingo: bitcoingirl: It was probably people on twitter telling Gavin to shut up that did it.
10:55:58 bitcoingirl: you sure it wasn't the Fox Business interview?
10:56:30 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: it was rallymoad
10:56:56 fluffypony: the reality is that the market is poised for movement
10:57:20 fluffypony: and then someone tried to start a rally, wasn't massively successful, but it picked up a bit of steam
10:57:30 fluffypony: broke through the wall at 475, and stopped short of breaking through 500
10:57:48 bitcoingirl: how does someone try to start a rally? what did they do exactly to move the market?
10:58:32 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: buy a significant quantity of Bitcoins, setup structured buy walls below market value to create the illusion of demand, all sorts of things can be done to try get it going
10:58:43 fluffypony: the market either reacts or it doesn't
10:58:54 fluffypony: and it can turn on them just as quickly as succeed
10:59:08 bitcoingirl: what are buy walls?
10:59:19 fluffypony: still, at 3 day scale the MACD looks promising
10:59:47 assbot: Charles Plosser thinks there’s a ticking time bomb at the Fed - Capitol Report - MarketWatch
11:00:03 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: like if someone puts up a bunch of offers to buy Bitcoin at $450 each totalling $200k, when the market is at $460, that's a buy wall
11:00:23 fluffypony: it can make sellers move their offers up higher because they think it's an indicator of demand
11:00:48 fluffypony: but it can also backfire and people can sell into the buy wall faster than the trader can pull it
11:01:20 BingoBoingo: Trying to shape supply and demand can be a way to lose a lot of money quickly though.
11:01:33 fluffypony: ^^
11:01:41 bitcoingirl: and where was this happening yesterday?
11:01:57 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: the movement started on Bitstamp
11:02:47 bitcoingirl: and where was this happening yesterday??
11:02:57 fluffypony: wait, didn't I just answer that?
11:03:04 bitcoingirl: yes sorry
11:03:14 bitcoingirl: where would you monitor the price if your trading on bitstamp
11:03:33 fluffypony: lots of traders have tools they've bought / built / whatever
11:03:38 fluffypony: for the casual observer such as myself
11:03:39 fluffypony: https://bitcoinwisdom.com
11:03:39 assbot: BitcoinWisdom - Live Bitcoin/Litecoin charts
11:04:00 fluffypony: use a 3d or 1d (3 day / 1 day) scale to get a more macrocosmic view
11:04:11 fluffypony: and in Settings turn the MACD indicator on
11:04:22 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
11:04:28 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 497.0, vol: 23912.05813220 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 486.66, vol: 13113.52364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 495.4, vol: 18927.31535076 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 500.38, vol: 116.33922507 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 492.354216, vol: 5361.20070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 490.84583, vol: 24.23311087 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 495.9725, vol: 200.09617222 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
11:04:31 BingoBoingo: ;;more
11:04:31 gribble: 493.906224162
11:05:11 bitcoingirl: what is this gribble that keeps coming up?
11:05:21 fluffypony: especially at a 3 day scale the MACD seems to indicate that some upward movement is due...or it'll just settle back down
11:05:24 fluffypony: the market is a fickle beast
11:05:33 BingoBoingo: bitcoingirl: It's a bot that reports information.
11:05:41 BingoBoingo: It also manages the Web of Trust
11:05:58 bitcoingirl: and how is it useful?
11:06:16 moiety: saves you roaming around, you can do a lot in-channel
11:06:31 bitcoingirl: sorry if these seem like dumb questions - I'm just jumping in WOT
11:06:39 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot moiety
11:06:40 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user moiety: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014
11:06:48 moiety: how?
11:06:48 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: which part, the market info from gribble?
11:06:53 moiety: urgh
11:07:05 bitcoingirl: right all these prices and volumes
11:07:27 BingoBoingo: assbot is the other useful bot
11:07:33 BingoBoingo: !t glbse nyan
11:07:33 assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
11:07:47 BingoBoingo: !t m s.nsa
11:07:47 assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00013 / 0.00013 / 0.00013 (3150 shares, 0.41 BTC), 30D: 0.00013 / 0.00014409 / 0.00015 (11359 shares, 1.64 BTC)
11:07:51 bitcoingirl: what does that mean ^^
11:08:14 moiety: ;;ident
11:08:15 gribble: Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None
11:08:29 moiety: gribble must have had a huff while i was asleep?
11:08:36 BingoBoingo: assbot pulls up tickers for various bitcoin related assets
11:08:37 fluffypony: moiety: probably
11:08:55 BingoBoingo: It also manages voice in channel
11:08:59 BingoBoingo: !up Periscope
11:09:01 bitcoingirl: got it.
11:09:11 moiety: i usually check ident when i wake up too, and this morning i just thought, nah it'll be fine lol
11:09:16 bitcoingirl: if i want to short BTC, what would be a good strategy?
11:10:50 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: every time I've tried doing any sort of short-term trading I've lost money...I'd avoid that space unless you have tons of experience
11:11:23 bitcoingirl: +fluffypony: so how are you making money?
11:11:41 fluffypony: !up bitcoingirl
11:12:05 bitcoingirl: where is the assbot? how does it work
11:12:08 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: I'm a major shareholder in a group of companies
11:12:17 fluffypony: from before Bitcoin existed :)
11:12:29 bitcoingirl: what? how does that work?
11:12:36 bitcoingirl: in bitcoin companies?
11:12:41 fluffypony: nope
11:12:44 bitcoingirl: oh
11:12:49 bitcoingirl: how do you make money trading bitcoin?
11:12:54 fluffypony: I don't, I buy and hold
11:13:11 bitcoingirl: so you're long and bullish
11:13:19 fluffypony: exactly
11:13:28 bitcoingirl: do you ever sell?
11:13:46 fluffypony: sure, occasionally and for very specific reasons
11:13:55 bitcoingirl: like what for example?
11:13:55 fluffypony: but I share bitcoinpete's view
11:14:10 fluffypony: lemme grab that quote from him
11:15:20 fluffypony: here
11:15:23 assbot: On Matters of Merchant Adoption | When Bitcoin Met Pete
11:16:03 fluffypony: this part: "I learned it last summer when I spent 3 BTC on a $450 case of wine in Kelowna. Today, I could’ve bought that case for 0.64 BTC, and probably more like 0.1 BTC before long, then 0.001 BTC, etc."
11:17:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0325 = 0.1625 BTC [-]
11:17:40 Apocalyptic: <bitcoingirl> if i want to short BTC, what would be a good strategy? // borrow them from someone
11:17:57 punkman: or bet here http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
11:17:57 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1120.86 B (86%) on Yes, 186.18 B (14%) on No | closing in 8 months 4 weeks | weight: 80`354 (100`000 to 1)
11:29:49 Naphex: /last Naphex
11:29:51 Naphex: eek
11:30:55 pankkake: if irsii, a tip: /last -hilight -new
11:31:12 pankkake: hm, it's lastlog. so not irssi
11:32:37 Naphex: irssi actually
11:32:39 Naphex: last is aliased
11:32:40 Naphex: :P
11:32:59 Naphex: Irssi 0.8.16-rc1 (20140111) - http://irssi.org/
11:32:59 assbot: Irssi - The client of the future
11:36:58 BingoBoingo: Look at the pretense http://theamericanbitcoincompany.com/
11:37:47 fluffypony: the most trusted name in Bitcoin?
11:39:09 BingoBoingo: First, best, only
11:42:35 fluffypony: all their cards look like poor Amex knockoffs
11:44:29 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: And what do the cards even do?
11:44:50 fluffypony: I think it's like a membership card
11:45:21 BingoBoingo: http://theamericanbitcoincompany.com/wallets/
11:45:24 assbot: Wallet Services | American Bitcoin Inc.
11:45:41 fluffypony: "hey look how cool I am, member of the American Bitcoin elite, proud Foundation bronze member, free Ross Ulbricht!"
11:46:26 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: that paragraph breaks my brain
11:46:41 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Click one of their register buttons and see how they accept payment
11:46:55 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, funny thing it does no longer do that on me
11:47:03 Apocalyptic: must have seen too many of them
11:47:34 fluffypony: checkout with paypal...lol...
11:49:15 BingoBoingo: Or Coinbase!
11:52:49 Naphex: quick #bitcoin-assets poll: Second FIAT currency, EUR or USD?:D
11:53:36 fluffypony: after rubles?
11:53:45 Naphex: after Romanian LEU
11:54:26 fluffypony: EUR, imho
11:54:27 BingoBoingo: RMB!
11:54:42 BingoBoingo: China has to trade somewhere
12:06:00 dexX7: theamericanbitcoincompany.com vs "american bitcoin >community" lol
12:06:12 dexX7: what's that anyway? foundation 2.0?
12:06:16 assbot: Ebay asks all users to change passwords| Reuters
12:07:37 BingoBoingo: dexX7: Broke ass thing that aspires to be what the foundation imagines it is
12:07:52 dexX7: so is it legit?
12:08:31 Duffer1: sounds about as legit as the first one
12:09:17 Duffer1: no i dunno, i've never heard of them until just now
12:09:24 dexX7: hehe
12:09:56 pankkake: I tried to change my eBay password a few weeks ago. I didn't work.
12:10:17 dexX7: ouch
12:11:33 fluffypony: I just changed mine
12:12:05 thestringpuller: fluffypony: you watch that video yet
12:12:17 dexX7: worked for me, too
12:15:01 fluffypony: thestringpuller: no, it's on my list, day got away from me a little
12:26:13 moiety: my internet just had a tantrum and fucked off for a minute or two
12:27:22 moiety: i can't remember my ebay password and I'm locked out of my google account to reset it
12:33:49 BingoBoingo: Oh, the perils of relying on other people's computers for so much.
12:49:38 dub: check if your password is on tpb
12:53:10 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, why shouldn't my wallet be with my full node?
12:54:09 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I like the idea of separating roles.
12:55:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1910 @ 0.00011557 = 0.2207 BTC [+] {2}
12:56:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00599991 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}
12:58:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47949 = 0.959 BTC [+]
13:01:16 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, how would I send a transaction then?
13:01:47 danielpbarron: does bitcoind let me create a transaction on one machine, and sign it on another/
13:02:46 BingoBoingo: You pass it to the node. bitcoind could probably be abused into doing that. Armory does that well. Electrum effectively does that if you only have it connect to the node at 127.0.0.1
13:03:07 BingoBoingo: Or whatever the other machine is.
13:03:22 BingoBoingo: I think electrum has an offline solution for transaction signing.
13:03:54 danielpbarron: i don't want to use electrum or armory
13:04:04 danielpbarron: is there any command line option?
13:05:37 BingoBoingo: I haven't dug into bitcoind that much. I just run it as a dumb node, making sure it plays nice with the network and then largely letting it be.
13:08:30 danielpbarron: it sounds like the thing I want has yet to be written
13:09:14 BingoBoingo: There's probably a command line option to push a raw transaction on the network in bitcoind.
13:10:06 dexX7: danielpbarron: this is possible, but difficult with bitcoind because it doesn't let you sign unless you synced completely afaik
13:10:43 dexX7: might be worth to check out https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib which allows signing
13:10:43 assbot: petertodd/python-bitcoinlib GitHub
13:15:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.0224999 = 0.4275 BTC [-]
13:25:49 danielpbarron: assbot is definitely not posting MPEX stuff; all I've seen for the last 24 hours is havelock trades
13:33:03 BingoBoingo: http://www.oreilly.com/pub/e/3059
13:33:04 assbot: Webcast: Beyond Security: Getting to Know OpenBSD's Real Purpose
13:34:38 artifexd: moiety: My understanding is that there are two definitions of "scammer". One from the business owner's point of view (dishonesty or theft). One from the investor's point of view (failure to pay obligations). The popular view here is from the investor's point of view because it doesn't matter *why* someone didn't pay their obligations. That person should not
13:34:38 artifexd: be trusted with further money.
13:36:51 moiety: ok
13:38:48 artifexd: fluffypony: I tend to share benkay's view of bitcoin. Specifically from here: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/09_bitcoiners-upset-at-apple-understand-neither-apples-business-model-nor-bitcoin.html
13:38:50 assbot: Bitcoiners Upset at Apple Understand Neither Apple's Business Model nor Bitcoin
13:38:56 artifexd: "Furthermore, putting bitcoins on your phone is probably the goddamn stupidest thing that I've ever heard of. Bitcoins are going to be the world's reserve currency4, and as such fated to rise to prices per coin that dwarf even the outlandish Winklevoss' most media-hungry "predictions". To leave such a precious commodity within reach of anyone with a USB
13:38:56 artifexd: cable5 and a gun to scare you off your phone is the height of idiocy."
13:39:21 fluffypony: lol
13:45:22 jurov: "BREAKING: Bitcoin conference participants robbed with USB cable on gunpoint"
13:49:02 BingoBoingo: Let us never forget Tortilla's conference where he lost thousands of bitcoins to a sauna
13:50:38 BingoBoingo: %book
13:50:40 atcbot: 0k@285 63k@278 25k@277 | 33k@187 55k@156 10k@155
13:51:03 pankkake: %diff
13:51:07 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 149204.27 in 687 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -67.23
13:55:39 assbot: Roumenv Rouming - Zbavn a zajmav obrzky - smart girl
13:57:17 mod6: lol smh
13:58:39 chetty: The Obama administration has quietly adjusted key provisions of its signature healthcare law to potentially make billions of additional taxpayer dollars available to the insurance industry if companies providing coverage through the Affordable Care Act lose money.
13:59:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.03896326 = 0.1169 BTC [+] {2}
14:03:07 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=375643.0
14:03:08 assbot: I AM HODLING | Bitcointa.lk
14:03:50 mike_c: asciilifeform: variant 1 - powerful machine, must sing, like 'harley davidson'; << how else do you know it's working!
14:04:11 mike_c: machines gotta earn their keep
14:07:12 mike_c: kakobrekla: note busted link in log because it is hyperlinking the parantheses
14:07:13 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
14:09:10 moiety: ffs my net keeps going off
14:11:49 artifexd: mike_c: I also changed the bot to not put the links in parenthesis. Thanks for pointing that out.
14:13:14 mike_c: ah
14:17:43 dexX7: danielpbarron: oh hey, correction: you actually can quite easily sign raw transactions offline with bitcoind, but you need to supply the scriptpubkey of inputs, see http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bxrEyqbt for an example
14:19:23 thestringpuller: punkman: hey you around?
14:23:01 punkman: thestringpuller: ja
14:29:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [+]
14:31:18 assbot: The FBI Is Struggling to Hire Hackers Who Don't Smoke Weed
14:34:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
14:36:42 danielpbarron: cool, thanks dexX7
14:38:43 punkman: ""I have to hire a great work force to compete with those cyber criminals, and some of those kids want to smoke weed on the way to the interview,""
14:38:47 punkman: lol
14:38:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00412962 = 0.5369 BTC [-] {6}
14:39:12 mike_c: is the problem that the cyber criminals have better weed?
14:39:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00409875 = 0.4919 BTC [-] {2}
14:40:03 punkman: yeah the gov-approved weed is crap
14:40:39 kakobrekla: ist gov approve <insert stuff here> crap ?
14:40:43 kakobrekla: isnt
14:40:47 kakobrekla: bah.
14:41:36 chetty: hmm doesn't gubermint approved= bad for you?
14:41:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00415503 = 0.4155 BTC [+]
14:42:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1017 @ 0.00402367 = 4.0921 BTC [-] {7}
14:44:06 assbot: U.S. government to grow 1,430 pounds of weed for DEA-registered research
14:44:34 kakobrekla: ;;google 1430 pounds in kg
14:44:35 gribble: 2011 World's Strongest man- Squat Lift- Zydrunas Savickas - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mqSqwGJAMg; Leg press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leg_press; Terrafugia Transition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrafugia_Transition
14:44:38 kakobrekla: ok.
14:44:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.03343256 = 2.3403 BTC [+] {3}
14:45:42 dub: ;;calc 1430*2.2
14:45:42 gribble: 3146
14:45:52 dub: ;;calc 1430/2.2
14:45:55 gribble: 650
14:45:59 dub: even
14:46:19 dub: smoked too much weed to remember weed conversion tables
14:46:42 assbot: Compassionate Investigational New Drug program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
14:47:41 pankkake: kakobrekla: GNU Units
14:47:50 kakobrekla: mhm
14:49:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.095 = 1.425 BTC [+]
14:51:28 dub: 9 ounces a month is some smoking
14:52:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.03372386 = 1.6862 BTC [+] {7}
14:52:26 BingoBoingo: dub: But if it is crappy government weed...
14:53:08 punkman: the Mississippi guy started with mexican ditchweed
14:55:06 dub: thats a joint every hour 15 hours a day
14:55:33 kakobrekla: dont they take it orally?
14:56:06 punkman: I like the can they give them: https://www.theweedblog.com/wp-content/uploads//Federal-Medical-Marijuana-Can-300x300.jpg
14:56:06 dub: yeah you inhale through your mouth generally
14:56:26 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: The government only approves suppositories
14:56:40 kakobrekla: lol
14:56:50 dub: 9oz of suppository
14:57:10 punkman: that's goatse territory
14:57:27 kakobrekla: meh prerolled shit
14:58:17 BingoBoingo: !up soros
14:58:18 thestringpuller: ;;ticker
14:58:19 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 491.53, Best ask: 491.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 491.8, 24 hour volume: 21195.10084630, 24 hour low: 469.64, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 486.155141349
14:58:34 kakobrekla: o look its george
15:00:29 dub: th ecanned joints are 0.5g so 17 joints/dey
15:00:53 soros: ^^ hello gents
15:01:07 dub: thats like dub at 18 territory
15:01:51 dub: getting close at least
15:04:22 BingoBoingo: 17 times a day is rather often to put something up up the ass.
15:04:59 kakobrekla: what brings you soros ?
15:06:06 pankkake: well then there's a market for an automated suppository gun, in the form of a butt plug
15:07:05 assbot: Data Pirates of the Caribbean: The NSA Is Recording Every Cell Phone Call in the Bahamas - The Intercept
15:13:03 assbot: Woman's car attacked by self-identified 'high elf' battling evil | Local & Regional | KATU.com - Portland News, Sports, Traffic Weather and Breaking News - Portland, Oregon
15:13:40 soros: kakobrekla: nothing particular, thinking of merging that foundation of mine with TBF
15:14:00 kakobrekla: foundwhat with what?
15:14:15 BingoBoingo: soros: What's your foundation? Basement, slab, pier and post?
15:16:12 assbot: Snowden’s First Move Against the NSA Was a Party in Hawaii | Threat Level | WIRED
15:18:18 assbot: Bitcoin2014_AnnualMembersMeetingTranscript.pdf - Datei ber Box freigegeben
15:18:34 moiety: if i have to eauth one more time today imma eat gribble
15:19:58 assbot: George Soros' fund sells its stake in JPMorgan Chase in 1Q14 » Market Realist
15:20:28 thestringpuller: moiety: heh, you don't have a bouncer?
15:21:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-difficulty-update/
15:21:22 assbot: Bitcoin difficulty update
15:21:26 rithm: dat znc bro
15:21:27 moiety: i thought thats why i didn't ping time out?
15:21:28 moiety: i thought i did
15:21:55 mike_c: has anyone made money ever going short diff? unstoppable force.
15:22:26 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Only a few anomalous difficulty BitBets
15:22:32 rithm: there were a few weeks in 2011 where you could short the diff?
15:22:47 rithm: maybe fewer in 2012
15:23:58 soros: kakobrekla: Open Society Foundation with The Bitcoin Foundation
15:24:40 kakobrekla: the only thing you want to do with TBF is to run, as fast and as far as you can.
15:24:58 kakobrekla: not run it, but away.
15:25:01 rithm: run far, far away
15:25:23 rithm: they aren't cashflow positive and they are burning through their initial endowment
15:25:31 rithm: that's what the report says
15:26:30 BingoBoingo: ^
15:27:12 kakobrekla: i was thinking of child porn really.
15:27:45 soros: kakobrekla: quite the contrary, TBF would be a perfect fit to join me and my buddies. in fact, they may already have joined us.. ;)
15:28:02 *: kakobrekla is confuzled
15:28:05 fluffypony: except the child molesters, presumably
15:29:22 BingoBoingo: !up soros
15:29:27 rithm: oh yeah the brock landers child sex thing too
15:29:38 kakobrekla: i thought we were done wif dat.
15:29:53 BingoBoingo: soros: Is it the Brock Pierce sex thing, srsly
15:32:47 assbot: 20 Million Bees Swarm Delaware Highway After Tractor-Trailer Crash
15:32:58 assbot: Cisco chief urges Obama to curb NSA surveillance activity| Reuters
15:33:00 kakobrekla: heh
15:33:21 soros: BingoBoingo: not at all, thats just some bonus, i'm more thinking about this http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/george-soros-the-united-states-must-stop-resisting-the-orderly-decline-of-the-dollar-the-coming-global-currency-and-the-new-world-order
15:33:23 assbot: George Soros: The United States Must Stop Resisting The Orderly Decline Of The Dollar, The Coming Global Currency And The New World Order
15:34:24 BingoBoingo: soros: Is this some sort of roleplaying you are trying here http://www.megalomaniac.com/~andrew/funny/bloodcyber.html
15:34:25 assbot: The Saga of Bloodninja
15:34:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46004823 BTC [-]
15:35:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0042499 = 0.4462 BTC [+]
15:35:51 chetty: oic, soros thinks btc will be the nwo currency :P
15:36:37 soros: chetty: not "will be".. try "is"
15:36:42 rithm: duh
15:37:30 BingoBoingo: !down soros
15:37:44 rithm: why else would i have been hoarding bitcoins for years before these retarded millionaires caught on
15:37:58 chetty: :D
15:38:48 pankkake: !up soros
15:38:59 pankkake: FU assbot
15:39:49 pankkake: !up soros
15:39:55 pankkake: !up Anar
15:41:40 HeySteve: soros, why not the basket of gold, SDRs, rubles, yuan, dollars, etc.?
15:43:28 chetty: ;;gettrust soros
15:43:28 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user chetty to user soros: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=chetty&dest=soros | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=soros | Rated since: never
15:44:53 chetty: !up princessnell
15:45:14 soros: HeySteve: been there, done that
15:45:39 princessnell: yo peeps
15:46:44 thestringpuller: it's the economist
15:47:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.03805341 = 0.9133 BTC [-] {5}
15:50:03 HeySteve: k soros gl getting central banks to accept loss of control over rates and money supply
15:51:31 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
15:51:31 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0008848 / 0.00090406 / 0.00094991 (467313 shares, 422.48 BTC), 7D: 0.0008848 / 0.00095919 / 0.00100536 (4425468 shares, 4,244.88 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00093955 / 0.00101 (23668180 shares, 22,237.54 BTC)
15:51:35 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
15:51:35 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00088856 BTC [-]
15:54:05 benkay: ;;later tell bitcoingirl oh, you're shilling for the foundation too now? http://nmllplaw.com/attorneys/marco-a-santori/ << "Bitcoin lawyer"
15:54:08 assbot: Marco A. Santori
15:54:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.
15:55:01 benkay: o look usg opining about cn/btc: http://origin.www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/USCC%20Economic%20Issue%20Brief%20-%20Bitcoin%20-%2005%2012%2014.pdf
15:56:01 HeySteve: lol peter schiff has changed his tune about bitcoin
15:56:11 benkay: http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/boc-review-spring14-fung.pdf << apparently the thief David Joseph has yet to make good on being the Canadian government's go-to dood for btc things.
15:56:59 cgcardona: good morning everyone o/
15:57:14 benkay: ;;later tell bitcoingirl a pox on your uncritical republication of fundation noise
15:57:14 gribble: The operation succeeded.
15:57:40 cgcardona: HeySteve: url?
15:57:44 cgcardona: ;;ticker
15:57:46 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.57, Best ask: 493.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 493.32, 24 hour volume: 18368.13937592, 24 hour low: 478.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 486.155141349
15:58:04 benkay: A POX.
15:58:34 HeySteve: I just got a press release, cgcardona, no link as yet
15:58:50 cgcardona: what's he have to say? How did he change his tune?
15:58:58 HeySteve: oh wait check out his site: http://www.europacmetals.com/
15:58:59 assbot: Peter Schiffs Gold Company | Euro Pacific Precious Metals
15:58:59 cgcardona: "Well ok there is intrinsic value :p"
15:59:29 HeySteve: http://blog.europacmetals.com/2014/05/euro-pacific-precious-metals-now-accepts-bitcoin/ specifically
15:59:31 assbot: Euro Pacific Precious Metals Now Accepts Bitcoin | Peter Schiffs Official Gold Blog
15:59:37 cgcardona: oh shit
15:59:47 mjr_: lol
15:59:59 mjr_: we were just talking about that
16:00:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42771748 BTC to 8`548 shares, 28401 satoshi per share
16:00:20 HeySteve: heh well better late than never for Peter Schiff I guess. he's one of the saner "talking heads" out there
16:00:21 cgcardona: "PETER SCHIFF—TAKE MY BITCOIN!1!!1" -noone ever
16:00:27 mjr_: hahaha
16:00:28 mjr_: yeah
16:00:44 mjr_: and...i guess if we had to stop and say i told you so to everyone who got bitcoin wrong...
16:00:50 princessnell: heysteve that's not saying much...
16:00:56 BingoBoingo: benkay: Which one was she again?
16:02:18 princessnell: benkay boring perianne is still learning
16:02:45 cgcardona: the valcambi bars are a goldbugs wet dream http://www.europacmetals.com/our-products.aspx
16:02:46 assbot: Our Products
16:02:53 cgcardona: though entirely not practical
16:02:55 HeySteve: true princessnell. still waiting for paul krugman to come around :P
16:03:46 princessnell: heysteve they will be first in line for redemption after the rev
16:04:58 fluffypony: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27503290
16:04:58 assbot: BBC News - eBay makes users change their passwords after hack
16:05:20 cgcardona: yea minimum order of $5000. Where can I buy smaller quanitites of precious metals w/ btc?
16:05:43 cgcardona: i'd love to pick up just a few coins but don't really want to drop $5000
16:05:57 HeySteve: cgcardona, there's amagi metals, coinabul and a few others
16:06:34 BingoBoingo: Coinabul's a scam
16:07:17 cgcardona: i thought I had checked out amagi and they also required a min of 200oz of silver. checking now again....
16:08:20 HeySteve: !up coingenuity
16:09:25 rithm: buying metal with cyprtocurrency is a terrible idea that usually has worked in someone else's favor
16:09:40 rithm: historically that's my perspective
16:09:48 HeySteve: fluffypony, so ebay was hacked Feb - Mar and only found about it now?
16:09:55 fluffypony: ja seems that way
16:10:02 cgcardona: rithm: care to explain?
16:10:10 fluffypony: we all changed our passwords earlier, someone posted a link about an eBay notice going out
16:10:19 fluffypony: didn't know why tho
16:10:23 rithm: the metal loses value as a function of time and the bitcoin does not?
16:10:46 rithm: historically speaking, since both have only existed for x
16:10:59 rithm: gold might be an anomoly but not by much
16:11:47 cgcardona: yea I'm not thinking of moving from btc to gold as an investment. the bulk of my assets are in btc and will remain there. i was more thinking getting some precious metals just as collectors items.
16:11:52 cgcardona: that's why i only wanna order a couple
16:12:12 rithm: amagi shipped 10 ounces of gold in 6 days
16:12:20 rithm: that's my only experience
16:12:40 cgcardona: oh ok cool. so they will ship less than 200 oz. great to know. thanks rithm
16:12:41 rithm: silver is worthless
16:13:38 HeySteve: no way, rithm. kills werewolves
16:14:00 cgcardona: haha
16:14:08 rithm: it killed 'em for 35$ and now it kills them at $19
16:14:16 thestringpuller: benkay disco killed the radio
16:14:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.03307369 = 0.9922 BTC [-] {5}
16:17:57 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
16:17:59 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.02, Best ask: 494.22, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 494.02, 24 hour volume: 18063.26901568, 24 hour low: 478.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 491.460861006
16:20:36 BingoBoingo: !up moiety
16:20:52 moiety: ty
16:21:16 assbot: Sailor convicted of hacking websites from aboard aircraft carrier | Ars Technica
16:21:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.038 = 0.798 BTC [-]
16:22:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0042 = 0.1764 BTC [+] {2}
16:22:50 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/469151314300399617
16:22:51 assbot: 74% of Wall Street believes /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash will become an alternative currency, according to Bitcoin Trust survey: http://t.co/ODjtwSV7an
16:22:56 moiety: i think my router had a heart attack today? seems ok now
16:23:33 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoKt_SOIEAAqXCu.jpg << this is pretty lulzy
16:25:32 kakobrekla: mike_c : patched
16:28:41 mike_c: link test (http://bitbet.us/bet/796/) commenced
16:28:55 kakobrekla: lol
16:29:05 mike_c: cool, thanks
16:29:12 kakobrekla: yw
16:29:47 mircea_popescu: check out lawski guy : http://t.co/LlZyGiji47
16:29:48 assbot: BNP Paribas Risks Client Flight as Ban on Transfers Looms - Businessweek
16:30:16 mircea_popescu: basically the us is turning into venezuela on the rather transparent and quite flimsy pretext of...
16:30:23 mircea_popescu: im not sure even what exactly, was it "money laundering" ?
16:33:12 BingoBoingo: Turrorism
16:33:24 BingoBoingo: Or maybe Turderism
16:33:41 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl: what is this gribble that keeps coming up? << she's adowable isn't she.
16:36:53 danielpbarron: <+BingoBoingo> Coinabul's a scam << someone i deal with is currently waiting for them to ship and it's been weeks or months at this point
16:36:58 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: the most trusted name in Bitcoin? << well, anyone can claim anything right ?
16:37:09 mircea_popescu: and the consumer is gonna learn that claiming is not worth much
16:37:23 mircea_popescu: exactly like the claims of jurisdiction his government keeps making aren't worth much.
16:37:32 kakobrekla: fluffypony: the most trusted name in Bitcoin? < ognasty obv.
16:37:42 assbot: Airbnb Loves Sharing So Much, It Agreed to Subpoena On Illegal Hosts
16:38:12 mircea_popescu: chetty: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/21/us-ebay-password-idUSBREA4K0B420140521 <<< ahahaha.
16:38:13 assbot: EBay says client information stolen in hacking attack| Reuters
16:38:18 mircea_popescu: SeCuReTee-Hee
16:38:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he meant some "american bitcoin corp" website some kid put up last week
16:38:49 kakobrekla: a dunno
16:39:07 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they had no option, really. theyt're a bunch of party clowns (literally) out to make money.
16:39:20 mircea_popescu: the alternative was grand jury indictments.
16:40:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course, but it's funny to see that the clowns realized holding out for a grand jury would fall even flatter on their audience
16:41:47 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: assbot is definitely not posting MPEX stuff; all I've seen for the last 24 hours is havelock trades << looking into it
16:42:44 mike_c: fwiw, kako's feed hasn't reported any trades for 27 hours
16:44:29 mircea_popescu: it's... fixed.
16:44:53 mjr_: good morning
16:44:57 danielpbarron: cool, thanks :)
16:45:01 BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet
16:45:01 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00047 / 0.00049937 / 0.00051499 (48838 shares, 24.39 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00050069 / 0.00054 (51695 shares, 25.88 BTC)
16:45:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Let us never forget Tortilla's conference where he lost thousands of bitcoins to a sauna << ahjahaha.
16:45:49 mircea_popescu: but he didn't lose anything, he just created drama
16:45:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4789999 BTC [+]
16:47:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.47952666 = 1.4386 BTC [+] {3}
16:48:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 400 @ 0.00047 = 0.188 BTC [-]
16:50:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c: has anyone made money ever going short diff? unstoppable force. << i think a few bets wonthat way, but still. drop in bucket.
16:51:14 mircea_popescu: so did y'all teach perianne how to make moneyz shorting bitcoin or what.
16:51:17 mircea_popescu: !up moiety
16:51:56 mircea_popescu: rithm: they aren't cashflow positive and they are burning through their initial endowment << exactly.
16:52:05 mircea_popescu: and they're being crunched on the pr side.
16:52:17 mircea_popescu: people familiar with the taking down of gox will perhaps recognise the pattern.
16:52:25 rithm: sounds unviable to me
16:52:37 mircea_popescu: that'd be because it's not viable.
16:53:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.47979 = 1.4394 BTC [+]
16:53:49 mircea_popescu: princessnell how goes.
16:54:29 mircea_popescu: HeySteve: lol peter schiff has changed his tune about bitcoin << but obviously no apology.
16:55:10 princessnell: mircea_popescu well enough. assigned to project about how bitcoin will help the poors.
16:55:40 mircea_popescu: princessnell: heysteve they will be first in line for redemption after the rev << i was going to say something like that.
16:55:54 mircea_popescu: princessnell that is pretty fucktarded. why are you wasting your time ?
16:56:02 mircea_popescu: do something useful.
16:56:11 BingoBoingo: princessnell: It will help them by providing better masters.
16:56:14 princessnell: i know i know
16:56:25 mircea_popescu: enough said then.
16:56:33 princessnell: well, i'm also lurking here so it's not a total waste rite rite
16:56:42 BingoBoingo: Also by boosting the sales of sharpie markers
16:57:25 mircea_popescu: cgcardona there's no way you can't buy gold directly from miners in australia
16:57:28 mircea_popescu: i refuse to believe
16:57:49 cgcardona: w/ bitcoin. not w/ a service i'm aware of. but sure potentially
16:58:08 cgcardona: plus I'm only looking for some small collectibles. nothing at scale.
16:58:19 cgcardona: *collectables
16:58:54 mircea_popescu: rithm: it killed 'em for 35$ and now it kills them at $19 << epic lmao.
16:59:05 mircea_popescu: cgcardona ah i c.
16:59:21 mircea_popescu: get fluffypony to ship you some krugerrands
16:59:38 fluffypony: or buy some physical dogecoins
16:59:43 fluffypony: they'll be a collectors item in 3 years
16:59:58 mircea_popescu: or buy the people holding doge coins.
17:00:00 kakobrekla: they have those now?
17:00:05 pankkake: physical dogecoins, a real shibe with a private key tatooed in the ear?
17:00:09 mircea_popescu: they'll be worthless in 3 years, but they can suck you off in the meanwhile.
17:00:18 fluffypony: https://shibemint.com
17:00:20 assbot: Shibe Mint
17:00:26 cgcardona: I can send back some kahealani niihau ;-]
17:00:31 fluffypony: just minted coins, not actual Dogecoins
17:00:37 HeySteve: I looked at shipping krugerrands but there's a low allowance on what one can send annually
17:00:42 cgcardona: shibe mint -epic fluffypony
17:00:43 pankkake: fluffypony: meh.
17:00:58 HeySteve: I believe any number of gold rounds can be sent, but insurance and shipping charges will be steep
17:01:15 mircea_popescu: HeySteve i imagine the amagi / coinabul / whoever else pays the same exact fees
17:01:47 cgcardona: i'm positive that whichever one was recently on Reddit/bitcoin (i think amagi) requires min of 200oz of silver cause I checked that day.
17:01:49 HeySteve: hmm, that's true. I've been meaning to follow up on gold for bitcoin, we don't mine silver here though
17:01:51 kakobrekla: 10 bux for 1 doge
17:02:00 kakobrekla: not a scam as such.
17:02:21 cgcardona: ha
17:02:56 mircea_popescu: pretty ugly fucking things
17:03:08 mircea_popescu: thye look like they were designed by a 15yo with a pirated illustrator.
17:03:18 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: sounds about right
17:03:18 mircea_popescu: fluffypony so the anarkitty character never said a word huh.
17:03:26 fluffypony: nope
17:03:30 mircea_popescu: weird.
17:04:19 HeySteve: lol @ physical dogecoins. so bad it's good, I want one
17:05:50 ThickAsThieves: Sup
17:06:04 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: How was Amsterdam
17:06:20 ThickAsThieves: pretty cool
17:06:24 cgcardona: more like amsterDAMN
17:06:25 ThickAsThieves: got a cold though
17:06:30 ThickAsThieves: almost over it
17:06:45 ThickAsThieves: all that inhaling i guess
17:06:53 cgcardona: :)
17:07:37 cgcardona: i was there in 2005 for the high times cannabis cup. i'd like to go back when it's warmer
17:07:43 cgcardona: and not with high times.
17:07:57 ThickAsThieves: had to turn down a few government jobs since my visit ;)
17:08:06 cgcardona: heh
17:08:16 ThickAsThieves: the weather was great
17:08:31 cgcardona: not the fbi anymore ! http://gizmodo.com/the-fbi-is-struggling-to-hire-hackers-who-dont-smoke-we-1579183208
17:08:32 assbot: The FBI Is Struggling to Hire Hackers Who Don't Smoke Weed
17:08:32 ThickAsThieves: it didnt get very cold at night so everyone was out all night
17:08:42 ThickAsThieves: many lights shining on the canals
17:08:43 ThickAsThieves: etc
17:08:50 cgcardona: damn I'm jealous. sounds great
17:09:04 moiety: i hope you took pictures ThickAsThieves
17:09:14 ThickAsThieves: not really
17:09:20 ThickAsThieves: just some lame conference ones
17:09:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00093352 = 15.1697 BTC [+] {4}
17:09:27 moiety: :[ but but lights
17:09:28 ThickAsThieves: i'm not one for scenery pictures
17:09:50 ThickAsThieves: enough people out there documenting everything now
17:09:57 ThickAsThieves: dont need my pictures of pretty lights
17:10:11 cgcardona: God the Pretty Lights show I say in Dec in SF was off the freaking hook
17:10:23 cgcardona: he was touring w/ a full band. Very insane.
17:11:32 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: wb
17:11:47 ThickAsThieves: i started writing an elaborate theory about systems and economies and bitcoin and reputation
17:12:04 ThickAsThieves: need to go back and see if it was high genius or just highness
17:12:29 assbot: Nadya Labi: How a Militia Grew on a Military Base : The New Yorker
17:13:02 chetty: eBay today revealed that attackers "compromised a database containing encrypted passwords and other non-financial data" between late February and early March. The database included names, e-mail addresses, home addresses, phone numbers, and dates of birth.
17:16:18 benkay: no more passwords
17:16:20 benkay: pubkeys only
17:16:27 benkay: everyone must gee pee gee
17:17:12 benkay: "everybody must get hashed"
17:17:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623021
17:17:22 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
17:17:28 benkay: (dylan)
17:17:49 chetty: Woman Refused Medicine Because ObamaCare System Says She Is a Man
17:17:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The good old days
17:18:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: notice that every single time they try a 'wrecker,' he's dumb as a brick.
17:18:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. They tend to be more open to suggestion.
17:23:19 assbot: Step Toward Liberating Electronic Devices From Their Power Cords - Slashdot
17:23:31 BingoBoingo: Laser Pistol fire in the streets inches closer.
17:24:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#621910
17:24:54 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
17:31:49 BingoBoingo: According to one soldier interviewed by the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command, ?The entire S-2 section??the intelligence group in Aguigui?s squadron??had knowledge of Aguigui?s plans and many were willing to be a part of it.?
17:32:06 mircea_popescu: ahh, minty lemonade made out of your own mint from your own garden.
17:32:14 mircea_popescu: by your own womenz from your own basement
17:32:15 mircea_popescu: lief.
17:32:39 ThickAsThieves: so ya'll are leaving Ro huh
17:33:05 mircea_popescu: aye
17:33:18 Duffer1: new zealand sounds nice
17:33:23 ThickAsThieves: do you know where to yet?
17:33:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00093283 = 3.4515 BTC [-]
17:35:11 mircea_popescu: course i know where to
17:35:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/21/why-garden-so-you-can-write-cheques-to-strippers/
17:35:23 assbot: Why Garden? So You Can Write Cheques To Strippers. | When Bitcoin Met Pete
17:35:27 pankkake: extradited to the USA?
17:35:43 fluffypony: hah hah
17:35:44 mircea_popescu: lol
17:35:48 fluffypony: someone should spread the rumour
17:35:52 mircea_popescu: extradepred
17:35:54 fluffypony: Jimmothy is going to eat it up
17:35:58 ThickAsThieves: leak it to Coindesk
17:36:21 mircea_popescu: well honestly... if i get a bitcoin a day, like weev...
17:36:23 mircea_popescu: why the hell not.
17:36:24 Duffer1: MP is satoshi and is being extradited to US!
17:36:32 Duffer1: i knew it all along
17:36:33 mircea_popescu: i could use some peace and quiet to write.
17:36:37 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin/hr
17:36:47 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves a yes my bad.
17:36:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.479795 = 1.9192 BTC [+] {2}
17:37:18 fluffypony: Satoshi Nakamoto = SN = NS backwards = N->M and S->P
17:37:29 fluffypony: also, Half Life 3 confirmed
17:37:35 Duffer1: ha
17:37:42 mircea_popescu: sit in the shade 3-4 years, write a coupla books and another 10k fraudsters posts, come out with moar bitcoins than well... hm.
17:38:09 mircea_popescu: i guess im not the right guy for this deal.
17:39:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00093544 = 8.6996 BTC [+] {2}
17:39:52 BingoBoingo: All of the sad girls waiting in your basement...
17:40:57 mircea_popescu: they're coming with, what.
17:40:57 pankkake: on the subject of "where to", blog of a friend: http://countryshopping.blogspot.com/
17:40:57 assbot: Country shopping
17:41:02 mircea_popescu: airplane has a cargo hold for a reason.
17:41:24 mircea_popescu: lol turdsicle
17:41:33 punkman: moving the harem can't be easy
17:42:22 mircea_popescu: why ? they keep in shape, lithe gals.
17:49:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225 = 0.1125 BTC [+]
17:52:15 assbot: Belgium bans Bitcoin Financial products in Bitcoin prohibted – deadline July1st | The Bitcoin News - Decentralised Bitcoin and Crypto News
17:52:45 fluffypony: this is good news!
18:06:08 pankkake: "Goofy drama aside - wish him all the best. Even if controversial, would donate to a legal fund aimed at preventing extradition and assume a good few others would, too."
18:08:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.10838749 = 0.4335 BTC [-] {3}
18:09:40 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Link?
18:10:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 530 @ 0.00425481 = 2.255 BTC [+] {8}
18:11:21 assbot: MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges
18:11:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00093566 = 5.0993 BTC [+]
18:11:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.00570066 = 0.8551 BTC [+] {3}
18:12:18 BingoBoingo: lol
18:18:07 asciilifeform: pankkake: that forum still exists? and, what does one have to smoke, to make sense of it ?
18:18:45 pankkake: should be subtitled "for entertainment only"
18:20:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00093283 = 7.2761 BTC [-]
18:24:24 Duffer1: Transistor is my new favorite thing, this game is amazin
18:24:26 Duffer1: g
18:27:21 pankkake: someone sent me 0.001 BTC to an address I only used to widthdraw from Cryptsy
18:30:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00443 = 0.1728 BTC [+]
18:30:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2505 @ 0.00093283 = 2.3367 BTC [-]
18:31:31 mike_c: that's expensive tracer dust
18:33:13 mircea_popescu: pankkake apparently kluge reads the logs. who knewe.
18:35:07 mircea_popescu: in other news, https://twitter.com/skgreen/status/469179655954915328
18:35:08 assbot: "You are more likely to die in a plane crash than click on a banner ad." /msweezey at /hashtag/wistiafest?src=hash
18:35:17 princessnell: ;;later tell bitcoinpete hayek and #b-a is a killer combo
18:35:17 gribble: The operation succeeded.
18:36:27 pankkake: mike_c: yeah, and it doesn't trace anything now. paid for more than the tx fee to move it
18:36:53 mircea_popescu: i don't grasp the concept of "tracer dust" anyway.
18:36:58 mike_c: heh :)
18:37:01 mircea_popescu: what's it supposed to do again ?
18:37:16 mike_c: mingle with your funds? see where they go?
18:37:36 mircea_popescu: oh in the sense it's going to end up in a composite tx ?
18:37:37 mike_c: but why couldn't they just do that with the funds already there.
18:37:42 mircea_popescu: exactly.
18:37:57 pankkake: that would only make sense if the address was empty, but used before, I guess
18:38:09 pankkake: but in that case, it wasn't
18:38:14 mircea_popescu: i suppose you can inadvertently show two addresses as being in the same wallet, this way. except a) why would you not keep multiple wallets if you want this and b) why wouldn't you fake it just to mess with the tracer
18:38:17 mircea_popescu: not like either is hard to od
18:39:07 pankkake: https://twitter.com/skgreen/status/469179655954915328 that's the one
18:39:08 assbot: "You are more likely to die in a plane crash than click on a banner ad." /msweezey at /hashtag/wistiafest?src=hash
18:39:14 pankkake: uh, wrong copypaste
18:39:24 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 771a80f9c62f971a8dd02fa342f5c1856c8b39a7d5d7feb527489984f651670a
18:40:50 mike_c: some kind of dividend payment?
18:42:18 pankkake: but doesn't explain why I got it
18:45:59 fluffypony: did you buy shares in their mining thing?
18:51:40 thestringpuller: I'm going to go to build a bear and build a fluffypony
18:51:54 fluffypony: SWEET
18:54:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 638 @ 0.0009308 = 0.5939 BTC [-]
19:04:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 37 @ 0.12856755 = 4.757 BTC [+] {5}
19:08:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00443 = 0.1418 BTC [+]
19:13:13 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/05/wang-indictment.pdf
19:17:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.000932 = 6.99 BTC [+]
19:20:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 200 @ 0.03942322 = 7.8846 BTC [+] {6}
19:24:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2890 @ 0.00011599 = 0.3352 BTC [+]
19:26:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2026 @ 0.00093079 = 1.8858 BTC [-] {2}
19:31:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.000932 = 5.592 BTC [+]
19:43:57 assbot: Drone memo author doesn't understand justice : Column
19:47:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 237 @ 0.095 = 22.515 BTC [+]
19:48:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.095 = 9.5 BTC [+] {2}
19:53:26 mircea_popescu: !up stompysteve
19:57:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 58 @ 0.095 = 5.51 BTC [+]
20:02:15 stompysteve: did i get a voice because you like my name :) lol
20:05:58 HeySteve: forward, steve army
20:07:11 mike_c: i count 4 mikes in channel. bring it steve army.
20:08:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00093072 = 2.9783 BTC [-]
20:08:28 stompysteve: ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
20:08:35 HeySteve: steve army may be outnumbered but never outwitted!
20:09:01 stompysteve: plus steve is a better name
20:10:00 mike_c: ;;bc,stats
20:10:03 gribble: Current Blocks: 301960 | Current Difficulty: 8.8534163091278E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 302399 | Next Difficulty In: 439 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10489485769.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.47953
20:11:00 HeySteve: later gotta get some exercise
20:11:04 thestringpuller: My name is Stevie irl
20:11:05 thestringpuller: lol
20:11:12 thestringpuller: LONG LIVE THE STEVE ARMY!
20:11:37 mike_c: isn't stevie a girl's name?
20:11:38 pankkake: there's a fair amount of davids too
20:12:05 pankkake: at least you're not steevy http://cdn2-public.ladmedia.fr/var/public/storage/images/look/beaute-coaching/coiffure-de-star-les-pires-coupes-des-mecs-branches-!-28295/coiffure-de-star-les-cheveux-blond-decolore-de-steevy-boulay-28317/237701-1-fre-FR/Coiffure-de-star-les-cheveux-blond-decolore-de-Steevy-Boulay_portrait_w674.jpg
20:13:12 thestringpuller: mike_c: I thought that would be Stephanie
20:13:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.095 = 4.94 BTC [+]
20:13:24 thestringpuller: and what about Stevie Wonder and Stevie Ray Vaughn?
20:13:35 mike_c: ;;google stevie nicks
20:13:36 gribble: The Nicks Fix - The Official Stevie Nicks Website: http://rockalittle.com/; Stevie Nicks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Nicks; Stevie Nicks Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life Story - Biography.com: http://www.biography.com/people/stevie-nicks-9542187
20:14:12 mike_c: stevie wonder's real name is stevland
20:14:13 thestringpuller: Yea so the name is androgynous no?
20:14:20 thestringpuller: my real name is Steven
20:14:22 stompysteve: its me steveieeee, stevie janowski
20:14:31 thestringpuller: lolol
20:15:11 stompysteve: i havnt open bitcoinqt in like 5 months it doesnt show how far i am in verifying blocks any idea how long it will take
20:15:29 stompysteve: i thought it showed you a lil loading bar with how far back you were
20:16:30 stompysteve: nvm it just opened
20:17:04 stompysteve: 33 weeks
20:17:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
20:19:20 moiety: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27512421 derp
20:19:20 assbot: BBC News - French rail network admits train blunder
20:21:00 TomServo: sh log
20:21:18 TomServo: hah, oops!
20:21:32 pankkake: SNCF Fret, the business transport of SNCF, also often manages to *lose* cars
20:22:04 pankkake: SNCF Fret is an endless… trainwreck
20:26:02 moiety: lose cars?
20:32:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4798 = 1.4394 BTC [+]
20:38:03 princessnell: ;;later tell bitcoinpete on second thought wade has way bigger balls than i gave him credit for http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/2014/05/21/on-the-origin-of-white-power/ & http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-80/
20:38:05 assbot: On the Origin of White Power | The Primate Diaries, Scientific American Blog Network
20:38:07 assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Quote notes (#80)
20:38:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.
20:39:06 mircea_popescu: you're steeped in stevie
20:39:43 asciilifeform: can't resist asking, mircea_popescu's ship has net access ?
20:39:45 mircea_popescu: stompysteve Current Blocks: 301960
20:40:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dun dun dun
20:40:31 mircea_popescu: this is just scheduled ircing. my ai power is so great, i have prepared responses in advance to anything you might inquire
20:43:39 jborkl_: so the Bitcoin foundatation spends $150k a month
20:43:46 mod6: ikr!
20:44:02 rithm: /s/spends/blows
20:44:28 jborkl_: so in 18 months they will be broke, sounds exactly correct as far as vc logic goes
20:44:39 rithm: lighting cigars with fresh hundreds can get expensive though amirite
20:44:44 mike_c: mp's irc ai: why did bitcoin go up?
20:44:45 jborkl_: well, the foundation will be broke, heh
20:44:47 fluffypony: I guess they're counting on a meteoric rise in BTC value
20:44:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.095 = 1.33 BTC [+]
20:45:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/Spencish/Lets%20Play/LetsPlay_06032010_171815.jpg
20:45:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c because perianne wanted to short it.
20:45:42 jborkl_: has the foundation even been around a year?
20:45:48 rithm: yes
20:45:50 mircea_popescu: jborkl_ bout a year and a half
20:46:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is that an old indy from like the 386 era ?
20:46:26 jborkl_: and how many people have they been trhough/resigned already? heh
20:46:28 rithm: they duped me out a few btc for their initial endowment
20:46:33 rithm: like the report says
20:46:39 mircea_popescu: the ark one ? where you can use the whip on the annoying chick in the original university setting ?
20:46:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aye. 'atlantis.' http://www.talking-time.net/showthread.php?t=9407&page=3
20:46:43 assbot: Selling More Fine Leather Jackets! Lets Play Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis! - Page 3 - The Return of Talking Time
20:46:48 mircea_popescu: aye
20:46:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that very same.
20:46:53 mircea_popescu: orichalcum fucking beads
20:47:08 rithm: hey bitcointalk.org forums have a large operating tho iirc
20:47:13 rithm: thermos gonna regulate
20:47:24 rithm: budget/donations
20:47:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4798 BTC [+]
20:48:23 mircea_popescu: princessnell he gets blown out of the water pretty thoroughly in that sciam piece.
20:48:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.479999 = 2.4 BTC [+]
20:48:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
20:49:40 princessnell: mircea_popescu i mean its a masterful smear if that's what yr getting at
20:51:15 *: asciilifeform opens window, smells felinine. wonders how one street can support 200 housecats.
20:51:19 mircea_popescu: i've never read his book. but! the notions that a) there's three races ; b) that "whites" are in any sense "English" or c) that somehow passivity and civilisation correlate...
20:51:23 mircea_popescu: these are all massive lols to me
20:51:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lotta 30something women with reddit accounts on your street.
20:51:50 asciilifeform: lol!
20:51:57 princessnell: donny, yr out of yr element
20:52:13 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/
20:52:14 assbot: You are the community. You have all the power of the internet to mold it.
20:52:16 princessnell: the review straight up lies
20:52:29 mircea_popescu: princessnell but pls to inform us. where ?
20:52:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf
20:52:59 asciilifeform: how you even found this.
20:53:04 princessnell: mircea_popescu are you asking for a competent review?
20:53:43 mircea_popescu: princessnell sure. alternatively, for backing of the "straight lies" theory
20:53:43 asciilifeform: #23: 'I've got fungi everywhere and I cannot take it anymore (ranting)'
20:53:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform women. everything i find, women.
20:54:48 princessnell: mircea_popescu ok, second one is easier.
20:54:54 princessnell: '"Wade does not say Caucasians are better per se, merely better adapted (because of their genes) to the modern economic institutions that Western society has created, and which now dominate the world’s economy and culture." < lie
20:55:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your pet creatures read this heathen pit ?
20:55:18 mircea_popescu: princessnell you will notice that this wasn't on my list of three things. i discarded it as stupid anyway
20:55:22 mircea_popescu: i got enough of a filter for that.
20:55:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why shouldn't they ?
20:55:33 princessnell: got it
20:55:37 princessnell: ok: yr three things
20:56:37 princessnell: a) race is a degree of genetic relatedness. as such there is no limit to the number of categories you can create (alternatively no maximum that bounds it). wade painstakingly explains his use of "three races" heuristic and provides ample genetic evidence to support.
20:56:38 asciilifeform: #100 - 'In 2014, The Classical World Still Can't Stop Fat-Shaming Women'
20:57:02 princessnell: b) i have no idea where you got that from
20:57:14 asciilifeform: a full minute and still couldn't crack the enigma, where the classical world is hiding in 2014
20:57:16 asciilifeform: had to click
20:58:25 mircea_popescu: princessnell i got b from the slide. "He then explains why white people are better because of their genes. " mutates into "The second problem with Wade?s argument about the gentility of the English". this to me indicated the original fails to distinguish.
20:58:55 assbot: I miss being an escort. Just need to vent. : TwoXChromosomes
20:59:11 mircea_popescu: but for the record : english *speakers*, in which category *both* uk and us citizenry are minorities, is in its turn a minority in european affairs.
20:59:20 mircea_popescu: which are a majority but not a supermajority of whiteness
20:59:31 princessnell: mircea_popescu a farewell to alms was strengthened by the son also rises
20:59:52 princessnell: the reviewer is conflating to mislead
21:00:15 mircea_popescu: anyway, a race is not merely a degree of genetic relatedness. a race is a culturally recognised such degree. which is why you can't make the nell race just by having a lot of kids with random people.
21:00:53 princessnell: that is the point of the book! genes + cultural social behaviors
21:01:02 mircea_popescu: aite.
21:01:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as white is concerned, the bulgarians are probably more important than the us folk.
21:01:40 mircea_popescu: which you know... i strongly suspek neither reviewer nor reviewee even heard of to begin with
21:01:49 thestringpuller: http://www.maxfarquar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Oh-Fuck.png
21:03:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
21:03:55 assbot: I am a failure as a woman. : TwoXChromosomes
21:05:33 *: asciilifeform used to read reddit. http://www.reddit.com/user/asciilifeform - but maxed out dosimeter.
21:05:34 assbot: overview for asciilifeform
21:05:47 mircea_popescu: were you kicked out for spamming from there too ?
21:05:53 asciilifeform: unfortunately not.
21:05:55 fluffypony: holy cow, 8 years
21:05:57 fluffypony: old guard
21:06:05 asciilifeform: reddit used to be sorta-ok
21:06:13 mircea_popescu: yes, before it became popular.
21:06:14 asciilifeform: back in.. '07 ?
21:06:28 fluffypony: eternal september
21:09:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2995 @ 0.000932 = 2.7913 BTC [+]
21:09:18 jborkl_: added next diff, block found by- still adding pool info have about half- finishing up live charting of btce,bitstamp and btcchina
21:09:24 *: asciilifeform still thinks the name stands for 'red edit'
21:09:56 asciilifeform: (☭)
21:11:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10756 @ 0.00093162 = 10.0205 BTC [-] {2}
21:21:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.0009312 = 4.1904 BTC [-]
21:32:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
21:38:09 princessnell: speaking of women and bitcoin and reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/265e7s/my_soon_to_be_wife_wants_a_percentage_of_my/
21:38:10 assbot: My soon to be wife wants a percentage of my bitcoin holdings, what to do? : Bitcoin
21:38:18 rithm: run!
21:38:30 fluffypony: that thread is full of ridiculousness
21:38:39 mod6: yeah, srsly, run fast.
21:38:44 fluffypony: why
21:38:50 fluffypony: an ANC with accrual sorts that out
21:38:59 rithm: my wife of x years has no interest in mine
21:39:10 rithm: why does his non-wife of 0 years so interested
21:39:26 fluffypony: my assets were established in our ANC before we got married, and so were my wife's
21:39:33 mike_c: this seems like an easy problem. give her whatever percentage she wants and adjust the amount of coin she knows about accordingly.
21:39:41 mircea_popescu: princessnell pretty clear trollbait neh ?
21:39:48 fluffypony: if we get divorced those declared assets in the ANC cannot be touched, fin.
21:40:17 mircea_popescu: fluffypony you live in a sane country.
21:40:28 fluffypony: apparently
21:41:04 davout: fluffypony: what's an ANC ?
21:41:13 mircea_popescu: like a prenup
21:41:17 fluffypony: davout: Antenuptual Contract
21:41:24 davout: ok
21:41:36 mircea_popescu: nuptial
21:41:43 fluffypony: that thing
21:41:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0225505 = 0.2255 BTC [-] {2}
21:41:55 davout: who needs that now we have bitcoin
21:42:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
21:43:12 mircea_popescu: afaik you can't get one in the uk
21:43:29 fluffypony: davout: at this juncture you still have to have some semblance of compliance with the law of the land...but I'd be interested to see a landmark case where the wife demands her portion of BTC and the husband refuses to hand over privkeys
21:43:39 mike_c: if i get a divorce i get 50% of her WoW gold
21:43:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225004 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}
21:43:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032502 = 0.1625 BTC [-] {2}
21:44:00 mike_c: plus all the best armor
21:44:04 mircea_popescu: lmao
21:44:06 jborkl: if you cant spend them they are not yours is the old saying in bitcoin rt
21:44:07 fluffypony: mike_c: so basically you'll be rich
21:44:15 mircea_popescu: fluffypony virtually so.
21:44:24 davout: i'm required to share assets, not multiply arbitrary secret numbers in case of divorce :-)
21:44:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.095 = 3.135 BTC [+]
21:45:01 mircea_popescu: anyway. the entire prenup thing is ridiculous in the west because of this "can't be unconscionable" approach to contract law.
21:45:15 mircea_popescu: so you know, it won't protect you, but you can have the piece of paper if you wish.
21:45:28 fluffypony: which is silly
21:46:19 fluffypony: I'm glad I live in a country where if someone burns themselves with coffee at McDonalds the best they can do is write a complaint on Hello Peter (customer service site) and get a form response from McDonalds
21:46:45 fluffypony: "We are so sorry to hear you burnt your gonads. Please accept this coupon for a Large Quarter Pounder with Cheese."
21:46:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 437 @ 0.095 = 41.515 BTC [+]
21:46:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.0225 = 0.4725 BTC [-] {2}
21:47:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 96 @ 0.095 = 9.12 BTC [+]
21:48:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.095 = 8.55 BTC [+]
21:49:48 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: pls to not have children who you also feed our poison to
21:50:32 fluffypony: lol
21:51:28 bitcoinpete: in other good news, our fair province is unstrapping itself to the usa and restrapping itself to china
21:51:36 assbot: Keystone XL can't stop Alberta oil. TransMountain and Northern Gateway pivot towards China. http://t.co/QskpaWmKkB
21:51:59 bitcoinpete: we do want to matter!
21:52:25 mike_c: sorry, it would take some serious tectonic shifts for that to happen.
21:52:47 rithm: china and russia have vowed to destoy the petrodollar yo
21:53:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.0009347 = 4.58 BTC [+]
21:53:35 bitcoinpete: mike_c: and happening they are
21:53:46 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
21:53:47 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.47, Best ask: 493.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 493.56, 24 hour volume: 7875.02991908, 24 hour low: 484.09, 24 hour high: 499.1, 24 hour vwap: 492.207013094
21:53:48 benkay: y'all are asshats. my girl's got her own btc.
21:53:55 bitcoinpete: rithm: mos def.
21:54:07 bitcoinpete: benkay: a whole one? that's like an hour's prison time
21:54:18 benkay: singular plurlol
21:54:22 mircea_popescu: lol
21:54:25 rithm: poor usa :(
21:54:31 rithm: moar CNG fracking plz!
21:54:34 benkay: i'm the one going to jail.
21:54:48 benkay: she's going to have to get the brood and honored grandparents to ars.
21:54:56 bitcoinpete: benkay: you can't blame the states for that one
21:55:04 mike_c: bitcoinpete: i didn't mean tectonic as a metaphor. you're attached.
21:55:08 benkay: cannot be done with frozen assets.
21:55:57 bitcoinpete: mike_c: attached with thousands of kilometers of nothing in between.
21:56:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.0009357 = 37.6151 BTC [+] {6}
21:56:05 bitcoinpete: we have buffer for days
21:56:27 mike_c: we probably would get lost in the woods
21:56:57 bitcoinpete: ya, we're like russia without the cultural history
21:59:36 asciilifeform: why did the idiot (if real rather than hypothetical) tell the wife (?) about his coin ?
21:59:54 bitcoinpete: to get to the other side?
22:00:00 asciilifeform: 'not caught, not thief'
22:00:03 rithm: communications sensitive type
22:00:17 rithm: "shares"
22:00:38 mike_c: telling about is inevitable (as you know). now amounts..
22:00:58 rithm: sharing and providing are two completely different things
22:01:40 rithm: kinda how the ceo provides a paycheck and only shares what is relevant
22:02:17 rithm: buy let's be real ceo's don't provide anything of value tho amirite
22:05:03 benkay: <mike_c> telling about is inevitable (as you know). now amounts.. // i share allocation to the nearest ten percent, updated once per...year. at most.
22:05:20 benkay: and in buckets only of low and high risk
22:06:17 assbot: Levi Strauss CEO: Stop washing your jeans - Fortune Tech
22:06:28 mike_c: my wife knows two things. 1) i'm not telling her. 2) i'm not going to divorce her. so it works out.
22:10:43 bitcoinpete: "So, was Tuesday’s 10% leap in the bitcoin price triggered by good news – the favorable comments about bitcoin from a Fed advisory board, perhaps, or news of Circle’s launch at the Bitcoin 2104 conference?" << bwahahaha
22:11:01 bitcoinpete: fucking wsj bitbeat
22:11:22 bitcoinpete: yes, i'm sure it was all circle hype
22:11:46 bitcoinpete: or maybe it was news that the us was charging chinese spies with shit
22:14:38 benkay: or the bears could just be done.
22:14:52 benkay: but please, let's all opine more about what's driving the day's market irrationality.
22:15:21 bitcoinpete: humans love stories almost as much as we love fucking
22:16:54 mike_c: more like "humans" freak out when they don't understand something. when people ask me about why the market moved I give them the time-tested answer: God.
22:17:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0009312 = 8.567 BTC [-]
22:18:58 bitcoinpete: mike_c: the contemporary version is: science.
22:20:03 assbot: Budweiser, Coinbase Partner to Give Free Bitcoin to Concert Attendees
22:20:33 bitcoinpete: these muricans need to stop giving away $10 of coin here and $10 there. strippers are a waaay better investment
22:24:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+]
22:31:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0009312 = 11.0813 BTC [-]
22:35:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
22:41:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1263 @ 0.00011921 = 0.1506 BTC [+] {4}
22:41:54 mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> yes, i'm sure it was all circle hype << dudes wanna matter. who's to tell them they won't ?
22:42:01 mircea_popescu: if someone were to tell them, why'd they listen ?
22:42:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 190 @ 0.095 = 18.05 BTC [+]
22:44:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 288 @ 0.095 = 27.36 BTC [+]
22:44:58 bitcoinpete: seems like people either show up here or disappear and not a lot in between
22:45:27 moiety: i think freenode had another fit
22:45:43 moiety: and am i the only nonmarried person left on the planet
22:45:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 68 @ 0.095 = 6.46 BTC [+]
22:45:56 moiety: mp doesn't count, he has too many to marry
22:45:59 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell princessnell thanks for the reads!
22:46:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.
22:46:19 bitcoinpete: benkay ain't married. yet
22:46:26 moiety: as good as
22:46:37 bitcoinpete: don't think BingoBoingo is
22:46:53 moiety: he's a dark horse, you never know with him
22:47:03 bitcoinpete: or danielpbarron
22:47:17 bitcoinpete: maybe thestringpuller is solo?
22:47:58 bitcoinpete: then there's always gribble
22:48:33 moiety: no one would marry gribble the amount you have to fucking auth
22:48:48 moiety: tho, lasers....
22:48:49 mircea_popescu: moiety i ain't married.
22:49:00 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete sure he is.
22:49:03 moiety: you don't count, you have too many to marry!
22:49:17 mircea_popescu: i don't count because cunt ?
22:49:34 moiety: no i meant you couldn't marry them all
22:50:16 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: this, i did not know about gribs
22:51:53 moiety: i suppose i will just have to get more cats and read reddit more
22:54:34 bitcoinpete: oh man, there's a new forum! http://forum.ltbcoin.com
22:54:35 assbot: The LTB Network Forum
22:54:40 bitcoinpete: time for some lulz mining
22:56:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00093384 = 4.5291 BTC [+]
23:15:04 moiety: is it just me that gets really bored of reddit?
23:16:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}
23:17:37 jurov: it's not just you
23:18:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00093553 = 5.3325 BTC [+]
23:19:22 bitcoinpete: it's asciilifeform that's the big moldbug fan, right?
23:19:45 asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: i wouldn't go so far.
23:19:56 asciilifeform: i did read all of mr. mold, yes.
23:20:05 bitcoinpete: a ok. just a few articles then?
23:20:17 bitcoinpete: that you're a fan of...
23:21:30 asciilifeform: aye
23:21:55 asciilifeform: mostly, of a subset of the basic ideas therein.
23:22:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.0009362 = 9.0811 BTC [+] {2}
23:22:47 bitcoinpete: i found a little piece that goes into his background a bit. probably not news for you, but perhaps for some others here: http://thebaffler.com/blog/2014/05/mouthbreathing_machiavellis
23:22:48 assbot: Mouthbreathing Machiavellis Dream Of A Silicon Reich | Blog | The Baffler
23:23:07 asciilifeform: lol
23:23:18 bitcoinpete: "In short, Moldbug reads like an overconfident autodidact’s imitation of a Lewis Lapham essay—if Lewis Lapham were a fascist teenage Dungeon Master."
23:24:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.095 = 3.42 BTC [+]
23:24:52 bitcoinpete: the rest of the article is about some anticapitalist tranarchist (transgender anarchist) who became a hard-right seditionist and created a petition to put eric schmidt in the white house as "ceo of america"
23:27:28 asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: read that turd; kept waiting for the seemingly-obligatory mention of 'galt's gulch' - disappointed! not there!
23:27:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00093384 = 7.1439 BTC [-]
23:28:45 bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: lol maybe in part 2 of this epic series
23:29:18 asciilifeform: the anti-moldbug pieces (yes there's more than one) typically accuse mold & co. of the ultimate anti-democratic crime: republikflucht.
23:29:22 asciilifeform: ;;google republikflucht
23:29:22 gribble: Republikflucht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republikflucht; User:A13ean/Work on Republikflucht - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:A13ean/Work_on_Republikflucht; Crossing the Line: Republikflucht between Defection and Migration ...: (1 more message)
23:29:39 asciilifeform: 'how dare you contemplate a refusal to be harvested.'
23:30:34 bitcoinpete: 'sit still!'
23:31:07 HeySteve: "so spurious it was deleted from wikipedia." lol
23:31:20 HeySteve: checking out this Moldbug guy, sounds interesting
23:31:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions/Welcome.html << interesting u.s. gov. 'wall of shame' for radio traffic violators
23:33:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions/files/Grow_13_04_19_5321.html << particularly interesting are the 'name withheld' complaints, like this one
23:42:25 dignork: asciilifeform: they where probably underage
23:42:35 asciilifeform: lol
23:50:34 danielpbarron: <+bitcoinpete> or danielpbarron << correct
23:50:52 bitcoinpete: haha!
23:51:00 bitcoinpete: ^ moiety