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00:00:52 mats: http://i.imgur.com/uRCqcTS.jpg

00:00:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHmIY1 )

00:00:58 ag3nt_zer0: hey it goes pretty good just finsihed my first two days at new elementary music ed job... getting paid to dance with 5 year olds is pretty fucking nice

00:01:22 ag3nt_zer0: and yourself?

00:04:17 BingoBoingo: Don't go Jared

00:08:02 ag3nt_zer0: seen this anyone? pretty fucking miraculous that power of music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyZQf0p73QM

00:08:03 assbot: (original) Man In Nursing Home Reacts To Hearing Music From His Era - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHn54B )

00:08:26 BingoBoingo: Also, who would have thought "People" magazine would "get it" and join the shitlord train to swolehalla http://www.people.com/article/project-harpoon-photoshop-plus-size-women-speaks-out

00:08:27 assbot: Project Harpoon Slammed for Photoshopping Images of Plus-Size Women : People.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHn8h2 )

00:09:46 mats: BingoBoingo: re: "Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans", some corrections -- "these data structure" >> "these data structures" and "though some voice" >> "though some voices"

00:10:59 BingoBoingo: ty mats fxd

00:13:10 ag3nt_zer0: more miraculous music stuff: melodic intonation therapy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5verI-bj8

00:13:10 assbot: Music Therapy and Aphasia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHnp3z )

00:14:26 ag3nt_zer0: ... teaching stroke victims to talk again - after 5 years of fruitless attempts this guys doctor taps and sings happy birthday and the dude just sings it straightaway with him

00:14:39 ag3nt_zer0: hadnt been able to speak for 5 years or something

00:15:17 ag3nt_zer0: so then they teach him to sing songs, then replace the words with what they actually want to say

00:15:30 ag3nt_zer0: then do best to remove the melodic attribute

00:21:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00069913 = 20.5894 BTC [+] {4}

00:23:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1246291 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245614 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245615

00:23:16 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 23:11:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245604 << actually a dr-dos version would be pretty cool. in fact i would guess an attempt to write private bitcoinfs and make dr-dos check blocks and an attempt to ada-bitcoin would necessarily end with a very similar if not outright identical product.

00:23:16 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:05; ascii_field: at any rate, msdos provides not one single system call that could be of use to a bitcoind

00:23:16 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:19; ascii_field: so a 'dos port' is more appropriately a 'bare metal' port, and doesn't need the dos for anything

00:24:52 jurov: would be more like "dos extender"

00:25:06 asciilifeform: jurov: there's no role for a single byte of the dos in ther

00:25:19 asciilifeform: it literally gives nothing over the naked iron, for this job.

00:25:22 asciilifeform: not one lick.

00:25:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2329 @ 0.00091012 = 2.1197 BTC [+]

00:26:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1246308 << aha. for instance, one fella i know loaded the new (today's) 'ashley madison' crud. and one of the archive balls fails pgp sig.

00:26:27 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 23:27:07; mircea_popescu: most bitrot is man made

00:26:38 asciilifeform: the interesting one, naturally.

00:28:20 jurov: i know. just feeling the longing after himen.sys :D

00:28:26 jurov: (typo intended)

00:28:49 asciilifeform: jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today.

00:29:11 asciilifeform: to me game on computer is fucking ~synonymous~ with dos.

00:30:03 jurov: still, i have used t602, too

00:30:13 asciilifeform: dos is to game as greece is to philosophy.

00:30:33 asciilifeform: yes, no news, not for long time. but it remains.

00:31:01 jurov: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hrum5/degenerate_gambler_mircea_popescu_muses_about_how/ today's dose of buttcoin

00:31:02 assbot: Degenerate gambler Mircea Popescu muses about how female monkeys love their rapists but will attack beta males: "No female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist." : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J8UgrH )

00:32:10 jurov: "What kind of terrible offense must one commit in their past life to be reborn as a trickster god's cruel experiment: a living work of sadistic irony possessing the visual acuity of a hawk, the palate of a dung beetle, and the agency of a mollusk."

00:34:55 jurov: is that a compliment in disguise?

00:36:20 jurov: cuz of the hawk... and some molluscs (like cephalopods) are very intelligent

00:37:41 BingoBoingo: Indeed OCTOPEx

00:39:22 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's the 'soft pliable other thing' link?

00:39:28 asciilifeform: right now just points to my site root

00:39:47 BingoBoingo: Will fix, intended tungsten mels

00:39:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in http://qntra.net/2015/08/collected-notes-on-the-xt-client-and-xtcoin-fork

00:39:50 assbot: Collected Notes on the XT Client and XTCoin fork | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHoR5L )

00:39:51 BingoBoingo: *melts

00:40:48 BingoBoingo: fxd

00:44:55 trinque: asciilifeform | jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << /me wishes to see asciilifeform's DOS game list, as I was too young to truly appreciate the era

00:45:06 trinque: had US Navy Fighters and Magic Carpet

00:45:15 asciilifeform: trinque: pretty much anything by 'sierra'

00:45:18 trinque: lemmings too

00:45:20 mircea_popescu: lmao that michelle bachman quote...

00:45:21 asciilifeform: and 'lucas'

00:45:25 trinque: cool

00:45:40 asciilifeform: also microprose, adeline, psygnosis...

00:46:24 asciilifeform: infogrames

00:46:30 asciilifeform: buncha others.

00:46:43 trinque: that'll keep me busy

00:46:50 asciilifeform: if must start with one - sierra.

00:47:19 trinque: ah lode runner is theirs?

00:47:22 trinque: I played that

00:47:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not altogether clear multi thread benefits bitcoin much. at least atm.

00:47:34 asciilifeform: sierra is mainly known the the adventures

00:48:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta have at least a minimal scheduler for tcp/ip

00:48:09 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << word.

00:48:50 mircea_popescu: wait i'm a degenerate gambler now ? how's that work.

00:49:22 asciilifeform: perhaps it is like being a mollusc? or hawk? or which other animals were mentioned

00:50:06 jurov: i, in turn, supplied buttcoiners with a certain walrus, we'll see

00:50:09 mircea_popescu: oh they didn't care for the anthropology bit.

00:50:19 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2796

00:50:21 assbot: JL: The Stoned Boxer ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHpn3P )

00:50:26 mircea_popescu: well heck, how is it my fault nature doesn't fit their projections ffs.

00:50:42 BingoBoingo: But she was being so unreasonable that it helped my cause. When I told the cops that I slipped the nelson on her they were congratulatory. The one cop says, ?Really, man, you used the nelson? Way to go?that?s the best thing for women who are trying to hit you!?

00:50:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever hear term 'hatefact' ?

00:50:52 mircea_popescu: i'm a degenerate gambler because us libertard can't stomach monkey rape. wtf already.

00:51:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like artefact but for dumb people ?

00:52:14 asciilifeform: it is the name for, in this case, the monkeyrape

00:52:17 mircea_popescu: "A group of fat-shaming gamers " << how does that work ?

00:52:28 asciilifeform: or orwell's 'spanish armada sank' vs chesterton's 'fuck off'

00:52:30 mircea_popescu: dude wtf, nobody went to school or something. here's some word soup for you!

00:52:59 BingoBoingo: Gotta counter that double speak with triple listen

00:53:02 asciilifeform: (chesterton, naturally, as stand-in for his imagined opposition)

00:53:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahaha

00:53:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think chesterton thought anything about orwell past "hack".

00:54:07 mircea_popescu: in fact, the only actual attention orwell has, at any point, enjoyed, is in the fringe of 1984 afficionados, which suddenly saw itself bitcoinized into relevancy cca 2010. otherwise...

00:54:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: considering that c died while mr o was a grunt in spain and had total of what, 100 pgs, printed

00:54:29 mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone ever think he's even 2nd rate.

00:55:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i never got the impression that o had pretences to 'great'. he wrote for the archaeologist. as i do.

00:55:11 asciilifeform: message in a bottle.

00:55:18 mircea_popescu: prolly.

00:55:32 mircea_popescu: hard to say exactly. and im too disinterested to go on a orwell bio kick.

00:55:39 asciilifeform: wrote because the choices are 'write into a bottle' or 'eat bullet'

00:55:49 mircea_popescu: mmm

00:56:08 mircea_popescu: i suspect it's more the case that "wrote because i am wrong, and i know i am wrong, and if i don't write i can't sleep."

00:56:22 asciilifeform: same thing

00:56:24 mircea_popescu: "but if i do write i sometimes can also pretend like i don't know that i'm wrong."

00:56:27 mircea_popescu: no, not the same thing.

00:56:34 ag3nt_zer0: https://twitter.com/PrincessBMM/status/479944652049895424

00:56:51 trinque: damn.

00:57:06 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 okay ?

00:57:29 asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: snore. not even from inside crematorium

00:57:43 asciilifeform: now ~that~ would be a mega-'selfie'

00:57:49 ag3nt_zer0: heh

00:58:11 asciilifeform: or, alternatively, from the gallows

00:58:17 asciilifeform: hang for a bit, have picture taken.

00:58:19 asciilifeform: pay $$.

01:00:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'wrote because i am wrong' is imho correct, but in the ~literal~ sense. as in 'my whole existence is an uncorrectable wrong'

01:00:22 mircea_popescu: i dun get teh hate. chick owns her camera. wut ?

01:00:26 asciilifeform: which is why i say that he had no option but 'write' or 'eat nagant'

01:00:37 mircea_popescu: no, this is not the case. he was just stupid.

01:00:44 mircea_popescu: not that he didn't know better, either.

01:00:46 asciilifeform: gimme a smart gedankenorwell then

01:00:46 mircea_popescu: but he persevered.

01:00:55 asciilifeform: what'd he do

01:00:55 mircea_popescu: the italian guy.

01:00:59 asciilifeform: evola ?

01:01:05 mircea_popescu: smart gedankenorwell is evola, yes.

01:01:13 asciilifeform: evola was a money man

01:01:16 mircea_popescu: so ?

01:01:17 asciilifeform: orwell - not.

01:01:24 asciilifeform: so not reconcilable.

01:01:25 mircea_popescu: heh.

01:01:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00066998 = 8.8772 BTC [-] {2}

01:01:40 asciilifeform: the ragged dervish is permanently preoccupied with starvation

01:01:43 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu yeah not sure about her intentions... my first inclination was just to think she was an idiot but on second thought that thought is a bit idiotic

01:01:48 asciilifeform: i can speak for this.

01:02:30 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 why can't it be that the woman does whatever the fuck she wants with the camera she boughjt in the space she paid for and everyone else can just go dangle ?

01:02:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17768 @ 0.00066968 = 11.8989 BTC [-] {3}

01:02:44 ag3nt_zer0: sounds fine to me

01:02:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because, apparently, sacrilege1111!!11

01:03:22 mircea_popescu: yaya. because apparently "there's six million idiots with nothing better to do on the web".

01:03:30 asciilifeform: why can't herr luther do whatever the fuck he wants with the ink that he bought with the paper that he bought....

01:03:46 mircea_popescu: some objectionable twerp is proud about how she's teaching some unfortunate nigglets to "Talk trash" about random strangers,

01:03:59 mircea_popescu: and not only isn't she fired for this, but somehow "the community" thinks this is sane.

01:04:15 mircea_popescu: i'd fire her. she wants to teach the kids to talk trash about random people, that's what lincoln is for.

01:05:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, it'd seem the fact that rape doesn't work in nature liek reddit wants it to is becoming a much bigger problem reddit has with mp than merely the fact that money doesn't work in nature like reddit wants it to.

01:05:58 mircea_popescu: see alf, sex trumps money.

01:06:49 asciilifeform: the 'pyramid' nonsense aside, people do end up fixated with whatever their unmet animal itch is

01:06:54 asciilifeform: if food - food

01:06:57 mircea_popescu: "I'd say he has completely lost the plot at this stage. He was calling bitcoinXT an altcoin long before it was even suggested. I can't imagine what's going through his mind right now given that I could imagine the completely fucked up shit that was happening before." << if anyone has a reddit to english translation service, please help.

01:07:08 mircea_popescu: somehow the words fail to sentence. what's the man trying to say ?

01:07:11 asciilifeform: next ask for frog2english

01:07:19 asciilifeform: brekekekekex koax koax.

01:07:27 asciilifeform: ^ is what he says.

01:07:34 asciilifeform: how and what else.

01:07:42 trinque: as per that thread, nobody's going to fuck him for it

01:07:52 trinque: more like a death rattle maybe?

01:08:00 mircea_popescu: no but seriously. so he could imagine what was going through my head. and then i was right long before people even knew what it was called and therefore...

01:08:19 trinque: I like to think I can speak idiot but..

01:08:24 mircea_popescu: i can't even tell if that's supposed to be laudative or deprecatory.

01:08:41 asciilifeform: frog only knows how to say one thing: 'i am frog'

01:09:01 trinque: sounds like mp doesn't know what's going on because he predicted the present outcome before the community was onboard with the notion

01:09:01 mircea_popescu: so technically they should be called rippits.

01:09:07 trinque: !b 1

01:09:08 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HJYHA1.txt )

01:09:11 mircea_popescu: such colonialsim, calling rippits frogs.

01:09:30 asciilifeform: brekekex.

01:09:37 mircea_popescu: trinque ok but how does that make any sense lol.

01:09:47 trinque: mircea_popescu: because any opinion outside the hive mind is arbitrary!

01:09:55 trinque: I mean where do opinions come from if not that?

01:09:56 mircea_popescu: "An asshole with these opinions on women cannot be trusted to be kinder to his customers."

01:10:00 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTZUTL66dr8

01:10:01 assbot: ΤΑ ΒΑΤΡΑΧΑΚΙΑ (ΒΡΕΚΕΚΕΞ-ΚΟΥΑΞ-ΚΟΥΑΞ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmdEVa )

01:10:06 mircea_popescu: except i was discussing female monkeys...

01:10:15 trinque: nature is sexist.

01:10:47 kakobrekla: its what they are fucking, its what they feel for.

01:11:50 mircea_popescu: you know, the average monkey is both much smaller overall, and then her cunt's much tinier proportionately still ?

01:11:53 mircea_popescu: you cant fuck monkeys.

01:12:20 kakobrekla: you can will a small enough gear prolly.

01:12:31 mircea_popescu: hm

01:12:43 mircea_popescu: no but really - as far as animalia is concerned, humans have HUMONGOUS penises.

01:12:54 trinque: yeah, even gorillas have tiny ones

01:12:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#775022

01:12:57 assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 21:25:42; mircea_popescu: A CS student named Lin had a prick the size of a pin. It was no good for girls but just great for squirrels, they squealed with delight with it in.

01:12:58 mircea_popescu: yes.

01:12:59 mats: lol.

01:12:59 asciilifeform: ^ see also

01:13:07 mircea_popescu: lol

01:13:17 trinque: hahaha

01:13:38 trinque: must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history

01:13:47 mircea_popescu: trinque language.

01:13:53 trinque: whoops

01:14:00 mircea_popescu: language was the original russian brides website.

01:14:18 trinque: oh lol, got it

01:14:23 trinque: so being able to refer to the thing caused it?

01:14:38 mircea_popescu: (the fact that you can talk to a mated female, on top of all the other strategies to get her to fuck outside her pair, changes everything.

01:14:48 mircea_popescu: and yes, penis size and female fixation are inversely correlated)

01:15:13 trinque: hm, inversely. /me ponders

01:15:23 mircea_popescu: which is why, to this day, the best strat to get laid is to TALK TO HER.

01:15:28 mircea_popescu: today as 100k years ago.

01:17:24 mircea_popescu: and, for a lol, penis size and social structured-ness are ALSO inversely correlated. which is why azns have the tiniest, and africans the biggest.

01:17:28 mircea_popescu: azns build the best empires.

01:17:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.0006696 = 26.9849 BTC [-]

01:19:19 mircea_popescu: "]sciencehatesyouSorry for your loss[S] 2 points 14 minutes ago

01:19:20 mircea_popescu: What strikes me in all these IRC convos involving butters is that they are not talking. This is not a conversation. They say shit past each other. No one listens, no one responds, they're just on some dumbass tirade for no purpose."

01:19:22 mircea_popescu: hey, is this true ?!

01:21:18 *: mircea_popescu is depressed. ALL THESE YEARS.

01:21:30 trinque: I don't know that I've ever seen better conversation anywhere else.

01:21:44 asciilifeform: trinque only thinks this because he took the lsd!

01:21:46 trinque: but how to measure that in upvotes

01:22:01 trinque: one too many, I'm on a permanent trip

01:22:37 mircea_popescu: maybe the conversation's too o'cult.

01:22:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this on for size:

01:22:47 asciilifeform: /* Use locale-specific sorting if possible, else native byte order. */

01:22:47 asciilifeform: locale_specific_sorting = true;

01:22:51 asciilifeform: ^ guess from where.

01:22:56 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

01:22:58 mircea_popescu: diff

01:23:02 asciilifeform: aha.

01:23:03 mircea_popescu: what the shit already.

01:23:18 mircea_popescu: WHO thinks like this. i wish to know.

01:23:34 mircea_popescu: who figures "hey, i'll write a tool, and if it does different things for different people - all the better!"

01:23:40 asciilifeform: guess who.

01:23:44 mircea_popescu: a programmer!

01:24:01 mircea_popescu: it's fucking incredible the serendipity of this shit as overlapped on that convo.

01:24:19 asciilifeform: 'pogrommer' (in the words of ex-gf)

01:27:03 mircea_popescu: Matches for haslink:true log.bitcoin-assets.com, 5789 total results

01:27:17 asciilifeform: so i diff my genesis and mod6, and what do i find.

01:27:23 mircea_popescu: over the past ~year or so.

01:27:35 asciilifeform: my diff sorts lexicographic by terminal file name. as the gods meant.

01:28:08 asciilifeform: that is, by ascii

01:28:26 asciilifeform: n00bz - 'man ascii' on your terminal if unsure what the order is!

01:28:31 asciilifeform: or open a fcking b00k

01:29:00 phf: james lafond incidentally wrote how old time pubs were places were men could run wild boasts by the others and get called out or not, and that this form of conversation has been lost. seems to me in "consensus" places there's always some fuck ready to butt in into any point, just to make a counterpoint, that it's inconceivable for redditards that there's a dozen reading and thinking without running their mouths

01:29:24 mircea_popescu: phf i dun think it was lost, myself.

01:29:35 mircea_popescu: at the very least it survives in the better prep classes for lawschool.

01:29:52 asciilifeform: it survives (in anglo world) like panda survives. in a zoo or two.

01:30:34 mircea_popescu: what has happened however was a shear (ie, kill the middle). there is no point in carnation lower class men should be engaging in this sport, that's not in any sense their place. not like a random blue collar derp can, through no matter how liberal application of port and tavern-debate, become an engineer.

01:30:50 mircea_popescu: so it was sort-of abandoned for the mass.

01:31:00 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> brekekex. << brekekekeke,Frounce,Frounce,Frounce

01:31:23 trinque: most fragile egos can't handle being contradicted/corrected

01:31:37 mircea_popescu: "On older terminals, the underscore code is displayed as a left arrow, called backarrow, the caret is displayed as an up-arrow and the vertical bar has a hole in the middle."

01:31:42 mircea_popescu: motherfucker... OF COURSE THE BAR HAS A HOLE

01:35:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes, it's locale retardation.

01:35:27 mircea_popescu: another thing much in the vein of the old time pub function above was the "calificare la locul de munca", the last breath of apprenticeship.

01:35:53 mircea_popescu: it died out even in soviet land cca 60s.

01:36:36 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 do me a little favour and try regenerate your genesis diff with LC_ALL=C prefixed to your shell command.

01:36:36 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:38:51 phf: mircea_popescu: i think the idea was imprinted on me through soviet imagery still, of a young pioneer politely and carefully observing an older pioneer performing some tricky task, soldering say. the implication was "this old person, knows better, so shut the fuck up and learn"

01:38:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: confirmed!

01:39:12 mircea_popescu: phf sure, but most of the things we do today can't be thus learned.

01:39:26 mircea_popescu: it's a fine way for kittens to learn to mouse, and for young pioneers to learn to solder.

01:39:36 mircea_popescu: but look how terribru the C rms has learned turns out to be.

01:39:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i prefixed LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" ./foo.sh and ended up with something quite like mod6's diff.

01:39:48 mircea_popescu: how costly, how hard to fix. this is how he learned, incidentally. and it's no good.

01:40:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thanks for nailing this bitch.

01:40:09 asciilifeform: my pleasure.

01:40:13 *: asciilifeform washes chopping block

01:40:22 mircea_popescu: diff for fucks sake.

01:40:25 asciilifeform: diff.

01:40:37 asciilifeform: wait till we do 'strings'. which is EXPLOITABLE

01:40:38 asciilifeform: (yes)

01:41:07 mircea_popescu: im not using fucking strings lol.

01:41:10 asciilifeform: but: afaik rms was not directly involved with 'locales'.

01:41:26 phf: that's fair, though i think the approach can still take you far, as long as you assume that there's someone with better knowledge and taste then yourself, always

01:41:31 mircea_popescu: and to continue the lolz, http://levoradikal.ru/archives/757

01:41:33 assbot: Образование и капитализм | Леворадикал ... ( http://bit.ly/1J8ZjbA )

01:41:55 mircea_popescu: phf the approach can take you very far provided you understand it takes you absolutely nowhere.

01:41:59 mircea_popescu: then and only then.

01:42:17 mircea_popescu: most of reddit's problems atm consist of a "but hey, i was at the tavern, i copied the tavern master, therefore i know"

01:42:20 mircea_popescu: except not.

01:43:00 mircea_popescu: most of the "community" got passing grades from schools i wouldn't send my donkey to.

01:43:43 *: asciilifeform presently breaking brain trying to find what the fuck IF_LINT is for

01:44:08 asciilifeform: http://osdir.com/ml/bison-patches-gnu/2011-05/msg00004.html << dafuq

01:44:09 assbot: bison-patches-gnu - IF_LINT is dangerous (Was: Re: Version 2.5_rc1 gcc issues) - msg#00004 - Recent Discussion OSDir.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBlbRE )

01:44:38 asciilifeform: https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2014-11/msg00611.html << moar pertinently

01:44:39 assbot: Paul Eggert - Re: Add macros for diagnostic control, use them in locale/weightwc.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBlhbX )

01:44:51 asciilifeform: 'More important, I looked through some of the Gnulib and GNU utilities code that deals with working around bugs in GCC's diagnostics generation, and -Wmaybe-uninitialized in particular has caused us so much grief that we typically silence it in a different way, which I should mention. We use a macro definition like this:' << holy fuq.

01:45:37 asciilifeform: is there a patient on this operating table at all? or just four-limbed tumour mass ?

01:46:58 phf: hehe, i was going to make a ~joke~ with the description of how if_lint operates, turns out that's how it actually operates.

01:47:32 asciilifeform: this horror went past the point of being recoverable, long, long ago.

01:47:35 asciilifeform: apparently.

01:47:51 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> is there a patient on this operating table at all? or just four-limbed tumour mass ? << Seven limbed actually. You neglected several long tumors have calcified bone like structures

01:49:07 asciilifeform: and before BingoBoingo says 'bsd' - i will point out that ~all~ of this crap has long metastatized to bsd

01:49:29 BingoBoingo: But Plan9!!!

01:49:46 asciilifeform: plan9 is not a unix. it is its own animal. but very much mired in c

01:49:51 asciilifeform: and worst aspects of unix.

01:50:08 *: BingoBoingo doesn't doubt that BSD in places where it lacks this particular crap instead had different, but functionally equivalent crap

01:50:13 asciilifeform: (otherwise very spiffy, largely through having sat out the last 20 yrs of drepperization)

01:50:57 *: asciilifeform can abide no more of this, in one sitting. off to play with pet

01:51:07 BingoBoingo: Of course Plan9 is actual expansion of "GNU is not Unix" but at some point if handed C machine must sate it

01:54:43 phf: plan9 by the way, uses a custom dialect of C

01:56:12 BingoBoingo: Also from Outer Space

01:57:15 phf: so most definitely lizard hitler affiliated

01:58:01 BingoBoingo: Not necessary. Could be Avian...

02:00:50 BingoBoingo: I mean you aren't one of those that thinks the reptilians are the only aliens are you?

02:01:11 phf: i was going to say that it could also be part of venusian conspiracy

02:02:17 phf: but while researching some line of thought, discovered that they are making a movie of pkd's Radio Free Albemuth. i was who own all those pkd rights?

02:02:33 phf: *i wonder

02:05:33 BingoBoingo: I have no idea

02:08:54 BingoBoingo: Also, coinbase is getting desperate https://archive.is/HcCIx

02:08:55 assbot: Coinbase Referral Bonuses Have Increased From $25 to $75! ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBo9FE )

02:20:26 mircea_popescu: lol that consensus costs good money.

02:21:10 danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/gpg-wtf.txt

02:21:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBpGeT )

02:22:08 mircea_popescu: Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высшего образов

02:22:09 mircea_popescu: ания, по линии массового доступа ко всем культурным благам всего человечества, по линии сокращения рабочего дня за счёт всеобщей занятости и автоматизации производства.

02:22:13 mircea_popescu: such fucking wins.

02:22:18 mircea_popescu: see alfie, programmers!

02:24:05 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i can't make out what the problem is ?

02:24:26 danielpbarron: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!

02:24:31 mircea_popescu: ugh

02:24:45 danielpbarron: version 2 doesn't say that

02:24:48 mircea_popescu: what the fuckl

02:25:11 danielpbarron: i google for that text and get very limited results

02:25:14 mircea_popescu: achtung asciilifeform !

02:26:06 mircea_popescu: http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign << it doesn't actually dld.

02:26:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKXnn )

02:26:17 mircea_popescu: your .sign file, look at it. is it empty ?

02:26:53 danielpbarron: oh i'm stupid, it's not really a detached sig

02:26:57 mircea_popescu: whole thing's a joke anyway.

02:27:10 danielpbarron: d'oh! it's a clearsigned list of hashes

02:27:15 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3KK4002 << look at that stupid shit

02:27:16 assbot: dpaste: 3KK4002 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKZfg )

02:27:25 mircea_popescu: i could prolly have the girls crack that 18 bit sig by hand

02:27:47 danielpbarron: ah so the warning is that it found a file with a name that would suggest it is a detached sig

02:27:58 danielpbarron: interesting that newer version of gnupg omits this warning

02:28:09 danielpbarron: i'm probably not alone in assuming that it was a detached sig

02:28:27 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as the guy links it as "pgp signature"...

02:28:31 mircea_popescu: you made no assumption.

02:28:33 mircea_popescu: he stated it was.

02:33:06 mircea_popescu: in vaguely uninteresting news,

02:33:11 mircea_popescu: ;;google Shlomo Sorin Rosen

02:33:12 gribble: Shlomo Sorin Rosen - Wikipedia: https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shlomo_Sorin_Rosen; Rabinului Shlomo Sorin Rosen, cu ocazia incheierii activitatii de ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkPtQjDUjXM; Sorin Rosen | LinkedIn: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/sorinrosen

02:33:47 mircea_popescu: 35 yo ex-chief rabbi of romania, son of an orthodox woman.

02:36:36 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

02:41:00 ben_vulpes: ;;rated adlai

02:41:01 gribble: You rated user adlai on Fri Oct 17 11:28:06 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems sane.

02:41:11 ben_vulpes: !rated adlai

02:41:11 assbot: You rated user adlai on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems sane.

02:41:53 ben_vulpes: !rate adlai 2 highly educational

02:41:53 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7fc7102cd8a3af8b

02:42:58 ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.adlai.2:310d1a69d4cd2a845906ce79b786bfb097b488935f1033c7064d48dfbf77d788

02:42:58 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for adlai from 1 to 2 with note: highly educational

02:43:20 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: super work on the orchestra

02:43:27 ben_vulpes: i hope to have time to review within the month

02:43:46 ben_vulpes: whips crack in the uranium mines, tho

02:45:41 Vexual: wrist sore voopz?

02:46:02 ben_vulpes: christ you have no idea

02:47:06 mod6: ben_vulpes!

02:47:10 gernika: BingoBoingo: "all too happy" - sorry if someone already caught this

02:47:29 BingoBoingo: gernika: Where?

02:47:56 gernika: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/

02:47:56 assbot: Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )

02:48:21 gernika: doh sorry - thestringpuller

02:48:55 BingoBoingo: thanks, fixed

02:51:36 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> diff << omfg

02:51:54 *: mod6 tries

02:52:13 ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/ << nifty, thestringpuller

02:52:13 assbot: Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )

02:53:16 mod6: another crazy thing is this BDB configure script. i got rotor to build on i686 with TEST2. but the crazy thing is that it seems to compile just fine when BDB has --host=x86_64-linux OR --host=i386-linux but NOT without a --host=<SOMETHING>

02:53:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00068791 = 9.218 BTC [+]

02:53:45 mod6: I went spelunking through the BDB configure script. The horror.

02:55:20 mircea_popescu: it probably defaults to dec or some shit.

02:56:19 BingoBoingo: Vexual: That clearly belonged in chan

02:56:28 Vexual: http://www.vac-u-lock.com/catalog/144/146/Vac-U-Lock-Balls.html

02:58:18 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246539 << cute

02:58:18 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:22:37; mircea_popescu: maybe the conversation's too o'cult.

02:58:42 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246551 << subject of programmers, there's a bit of ruby in a client ios build

02:58:42 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:23:44; mircea_popescu: a programmer!

02:58:45 ben_vulpes: it shells out to curl

02:58:52 ben_vulpes: TO SEND YOUR GPG KEYS TO SOME RUBRO

02:59:00 *: trinque shudders

02:59:31 trinque: ben_vulpes: fighting back the blob-thing?

02:59:57 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246600 << running under a linter?

02:59:57 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:43:43; *: asciilifeform presently breaking brain trying to find what the fuck IF_LINT is for

03:00:19 ben_vulpes: trinque: blob from hell has me by the short and curlies

03:00:34 mod6: asciilifeform: lol, that worked.

03:00:37 mod6: looks great now.

03:00:49 mod6: i'll post my script and my new output diff

03:01:29 trinque: ben_vulpes: godspeed against the pussdemon

03:01:51 ben_vulpes: vile

03:02:10 ben_vulpes: it's like ironing bubbles out of wallpaper

03:02:17 BingoBoingo: What the fuck

03:02:30 ben_vulpes: with the eraser on tthe ass of a #2

03:02:59 trinque: so this vac-u-loc thing, does it ummm... unlock?

03:03:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: what was the deal with the gpg sig thing ?!

03:03:16 *: asciilifeform catching up on log

03:03:41 ben_vulpes: pebkac

03:03:51 *: trinque closes the tab before the phrase "jelly dongs" destroys him

03:05:01 BingoBoingo: What doesn blob from hell mean in the context above?

03:05:18 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246633 << ahahahahahaha. happened! just, sideways.

03:05:18 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 02:22:08; mircea_popescu: Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высше

03:05:19 trinque: BingoBoingo: fail-katamari of open source

03:05:21 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i *do* hope to get to genesis. am remiss.

03:05:31 asciilifeform: holy fuck is assbot broken.

03:05:45 Vexual: down from here

03:05:53 asciilifeform: or possibly just my client.

03:06:15 asciilifeform: (who else just saw a mountain of rubbish instead of cyrillic)

03:06:16 mod6: asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/genesis.sh && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/mod6.genesis-cmp-20150820.txt

03:06:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlNTk8 )

03:06:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlNRc2 )

03:06:19 ben_vulpes: mess of \nums

03:06:31 mod6: <+asciilifeform> (who else just saw a mountain of rubbish instead of cyrillic) << me

03:06:41 phf: asciilifeform: broke

03:06:43 ben_vulpes: !up Vexual

03:06:44 BingoBoingo: trinque: Ah, I though maybe ben_vulpes was suffering a Hamplanet attached to his pubes

03:06:45 asciilifeform: mod6: your diff is correct (only timestamps at variance)

03:07:06 trinque: BingoBoingo: he would never

03:07:18 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244897 << i chuckled

03:07:18 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:04:39; pete_dushenski: internet 0.5.4

03:07:23 BingoBoingo: But THEY would attack him

03:07:36 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: they don't dare come near

03:07:48 mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: your diff is correct (only timestamps at variance) << right on. thanks for the tip about locale.

03:07:53 *: trinque imagines a charging hoarde cresting a hill, falling over, wheezing

03:08:13 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244903 << staff found plaintext passwords in a new client's database

03:08:13 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:09:25; mircea_popescu: anyway, notice the word wizardry. "if there is full credit card data in a dump, it?s not from us". whereas the dump clearly and pointedly states "some credit card data".

03:08:35 ben_vulpes: and five minutes later, found the commit wherein previous slaves had "fixed tests"

03:08:38 ben_vulpes: the fix?

03:08:45 ben_vulpes: many octothorpes.

03:08:58 ben_vulpes: approximately one for every assertion.

03:09:03 ben_vulpes: at the beginning of each line.

03:09:04 trinque: bwahaha

03:11:15 phf: if i had a dollar for ever password in a database i've fixed. oh wait i have

03:11:39 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski lady v approves of your ashley madison article title

03:11:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:13:09 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (for those mythical ben_vulpess who read only ml but not #b-a) << may you experience many mild unpleasantnesses

03:14:28 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244973 << on another client thinger recently i saw a pull request that replaced naive iteration through the list of files as provided by the ruby fs abstraction with an iteration over a hand-curated list of files because "differences between linux and os x"

03:14:28 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 03:18:03; asciilifeform: srsly there is no end to the retardation of linux

03:14:40 ben_vulpes: there is no end to /the retardation/

03:16:48 ben_vulpes: hai Birdman

03:17:03 Birdman: hello ben_vulpes

03:17:24 ben_vulpes: howya

03:17:34 Birdman: im well

03:19:38 ben_vulpes: any nyooz?

03:21:17 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245234 << i was once busted by this lolzatron!

03:21:17 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 06:02:54; punkman: http://untappedcities.com/2015/03/30/cities-101-the-mythic-undercover-yellow-taxi-cab-nypd-cop-car/

03:21:39 ben_vulpes: wee benkay running around nyc, drinking beers in public not giving a shit about things

03:22:04 ben_vulpes: *woop woop* cab pulls a uie on 14th

03:22:12 Vexual: fucking guiliani

03:22:14 ben_vulpes: there i stand shocked and inebriated at this turn of events

03:22:27 ben_vulpes: (inebriated, and shocked)

03:22:54 ben_vulpes: charges eventually dismissed because entropy can't in2 my dumb ass

03:23:30 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245248 << released yet?

03:23:30 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 07:21:28; hanbot: hey mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1675NTK

03:24:54 mircea_popescu: today i learned ass-russian mostly consists of fractions of a ?. о, м etc

03:25:04 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245234 << i was once busted by this lolzatron! << Rural privilege

03:25:04 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 06:02:54; punkman: http://untappedcities.com/2015/03/30/cities-101-the-mythic-undercover-yellow-taxi-cab-nypd-cop-car/

03:25:17 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245312 << never gets old

03:25:17 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 11:15:47; jurov: !t m f.mpif

03:25:37 asciilifeform: hanbot awake?

03:25:47 asciilifeform: iirc hanbot also had the out-of-order thing with genesis

03:26:20 asciilifeform: while folks are awake, i would like to pose the question,

03:26:23 asciilifeform: of what to do with timestamps.

03:26:33 ben_vulpes: recap plz?

03:26:43 ben_vulpes: i humbly submit for poor log-following canings.

03:26:50 ben_vulpes: but timestamp recap plz? or link?

03:27:00 asciilifeform: basic choices reduce to a) let'em live and pollute diffs b) tear'em out c) copy from filesystem timestamps of originals somehow

03:28:09 ben_vulpes: raaaaaa

03:28:22 ben_vulpes: in output of 'diff'?

03:29:10 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see mod6's link earlier.

03:29:23 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: basic boojum here is that no two diffs ever diff cleanly on account of timestamps.

03:29:31 asciilifeform: try it.

03:29:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the timestamps are truly meaningless here.

03:29:42 mircea_popescu: code is timeless or not code.

03:29:46 ben_vulpes: omit.

03:30:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are not ~entirely~ meaningless, in that they impose an ordering. BUT my antecedent hashes do that now.

03:30:14 mircea_popescu: aha

03:30:16 mircea_popescu: blocktime

03:30:32 mircea_popescu: ironically, it is b-a that has the first and so far only actual application of "blockchain technology"

03:31:09 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgm6EYzwxpg

03:31:54 asciilifeform: at any rate, they can't be removed entirely because epoch0 is 'magic' to diff

03:31:58 asciilifeform: (means absent file)

03:32:21 asciilifeform: but all non-0 stamps could be replaced with some arbitrary.

03:32:46 asciilifeform: though iirc diff will complain whenever a file on the local filesystem is being replaced with 'older'

03:33:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.000676 = 34.8816 BTC [-]

03:33:08 mircea_popescu: there is that

03:33:25 ben_vulpes: is it me or is that kinda dumb?

03:33:27 mircea_popescu: doesn't it have a switch to supress timestamps in output ?

03:34:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not gnu diff...

03:35:11 asciilifeform: funnily, i was never able to get the custom format string feature in gnu diff to work with the -uNr standard

03:35:27 asciilifeform: it balks.

03:35:32 asciilifeform: go, try.

03:36:02 ben_vulpes: (in other news coracle at 338451)

03:36:13 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that thing is on what, a sat dish?

03:36:17 asciilifeform: dialup ?

03:36:20 mircea_popescu: so basically diff is, much like gpg, not actually usable.

03:36:25 mats: whats a coracle

03:36:27 asciilifeform: dingdingding

03:36:29 mircea_popescu: for a long list of reasons, some of which can be diddled

03:36:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is a winner

03:36:45 asciilifeform: mats: stone age fishing boat

03:36:51 mircea_popescu: apparently nobody ever tried to use diff at all,

03:36:51 asciilifeform: mats: think 'tub'

03:36:59 mircea_popescu: which is a harder proposition than nobody ever used gpg.

03:37:00 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aws abortion

03:37:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we might be the first to seriously diff a diff

03:37:06 mats: but this context

03:37:15 mircea_popescu: mats the name he gave his node

03:37:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everyone's suggestion seems to be "hey, use perl! bash script! fuck my sister she's a slut anyway!"

03:38:18 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the amusing thing is that you seem to think that *you're* the pauper hereabouts

03:38:25 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wat

03:38:43 ben_vulpes: with your servers and trunk conections

03:38:46 ben_vulpes: connectinos

03:39:11 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245575 << you may wait quite a while for that ok, boss

03:39:11 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:23:28; mike_c: i consider it simply, the foundation says so.

03:39:17 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i just have good geography. a benjie a month buys ~80Mbit here

03:39:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, would --label fix it ?

03:39:32 ben_vulpes: i don't consider bitcoin production ready in any of the incarnations that i've seen

03:39:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope

03:39:45 asciilifeform: doesn't affect date

03:40:03 asciilifeform: also recall that not only 'diff' is retarded, but 'patch' !

03:40:10 asciilifeform: they are different sides of the same medal.

03:40:23 mircea_popescu: your vdiff won't be able to be a script.

03:40:32 ben_vulpes: i've taken to using the -d flag with patch *always*

03:40:39 asciilifeform: presently it is a 1liner that invokes classical diff

03:40:42 asciilifeform: and then massages the output

03:40:44 ben_vulpes: otherwise the damn thing can't figure its own arse out from my elbow

03:40:50 asciilifeform: (i assume all have read it by now)

03:41:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have been deliberately dancing around the spitoon-drinking that reimplementing 'diff' and 'patch' would be.

03:41:29 mircea_popescu: vdiff/vpatch.

03:41:37 asciilifeform: oh vpatch is unavoidable

03:41:47 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245628 << you're all very welcome

03:41:47 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 19:03:57; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245343 << come to think of it, yes my browsers have also been much slower at loading the log ever since the color change

03:41:50 mircea_popescu: yeah. hey, anyone looking for something to do that'd be useful and also an incredible walk on coals ?

03:41:52 asciilifeform: but presently (unpublished) it is ordinary patch and an extra bit to check antecedent

03:42:00 asciilifeform: in ada.

03:42:05 asciilifeform: (walk on coals)

03:42:25 mircea_popescu: haha not in ada, just, they'll have to publish it and we'll go "omfg you can't be this stupid, redo it" like 50 times.

03:42:34 asciilifeform: idk about the lot of you, but i am not inclined to play 'underhanded c contest' for this.

03:42:47 mircea_popescu: which is exactly what's 50% of the conversation in my household for the first x months of the life of a new girl anyway

03:43:13 asciilifeform: betcha mircea_popescu could easily include ada in the gurlz training and no one will notice the difference

03:43:23 ben_vulpes: vacation is over

03:43:25 mircea_popescu: except the one whose name's ada.

03:43:31 asciilifeform: l0l

03:43:32 ben_vulpes: (hyu!)

03:43:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for her especially this was made.

03:43:45 mircea_popescu: lol.

03:44:02 mircea_popescu: btw, was it actually named for the lucky strike smoker chick ?

03:44:03 asciilifeform: 'this is your terminal, countess lovelace.'

03:44:35 asciilifeform: https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/ay95895977ada-lovelace-engl.jpg

03:44:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kz05ib )

03:44:37 asciilifeform: ^ her

03:45:58 asciilifeform: babbage's gf.

03:46:15 mircea_popescu: secretary!

03:46:22 asciilifeform: sekretute.

03:46:52 asciilifeform: (do you have those in ro?)

03:47:35 mircea_popescu: no.

03:47:46 mircea_popescu: it's actually what secretary means in romanian.

03:47:50 asciilifeform: l0l

03:47:55 *: asciilifeform can picture.

03:49:29 mircea_popescu: (also let me mention here, as this may come as a suprirse to my western friends - that in romanian classical society, as well as for that matter most of eastern europe, as well as for that matter all of europe in an earlier, simpler time - it was the height of poor taste for a woman to refuse sexual congress, and a pointed declaration of personal infirmity. sort-of like saying you can't read without your glasses

03:49:43 mircea_popescu: as such it was both uncommon and undiscussed.)

03:50:06 asciilifeform: but this came with the #include of cocks of low rank not daring to ask

03:50:25 mircea_popescu: mostly, yes. more effectually, it came with the #include that you'll be a father to her kids.

03:50:34 asciilifeform: doesn't work terribly well without both #include

03:50:45 mircea_popescu: well at the time being a father was moreover pleasant.

03:50:50 mircea_popescu: also #included.

03:50:54 asciilifeform: aha.

03:52:49 mircea_popescu: also, this was mostly before syphilis.

03:52:58 asciilifeform: this also.

03:53:01 mircea_popescu: which - another thing very little known. that importation was the bane of europe.

03:53:07 asciilifeform: pretty well-known!

03:53:10 asciilifeform: what is this

03:53:12 mircea_popescu: i don't think any disaster hence has had such a chilling impact on society.

03:53:15 mircea_popescu: orly ? ask around.

03:53:45 asciilifeform: c'mon, fucking beethoven, even

03:53:51 mircea_popescu: ask.around.

03:53:54 *: asciilifeform shudders

03:54:14 asciilifeform: the last time i 'asked around', i discovered folks who didn't know who won ww2.

03:54:26 mircea_popescu: then do not protest my rarities!

03:54:27 *: asciilifeform bbl, eating food

03:58:42 mircea_popescu: fun fact, since for some reason i'm doing history now. romania's head rabi (niemirower) died in 1940. he was succeded by one alex safran, who was 29 at that time. and by virtue of being head rabi, the young man also had an ex officio seat in the romanian senate. but for not being yet 40 years of age as the senate required, he asked for, and obtained, a special derrogation from the high chamber of cassation. and was sea

03:58:42 mircea_popescu: ted.

03:58:46 mircea_popescu: 1940, romania, etc.

04:04:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00066937 = 17.5375 BTC [-] {2}

04:11:22 BingoBoingo: lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hrijf/in_no_less_than_six_years_of_block_size_increases/cuab4mk

04:11:23 assbot: jackbootedstatist comments on In no less than six years of block size increases XTCoin would be a defanged and impotent caricature of actual Bitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hPiYXx )

04:11:39 BingoBoingo: "Wow, is that mind bent. It's like r/iamverysmart crossed with extreme ancap libertarianism, with a dash of cultist "one true bitcoin", and possibly some blockstream fed small block euphoria. It's purified crazy."

04:12:17 BingoBoingo: Also... apparently there is a smart shaming subreddit

04:12:35 mircea_popescu: all this "blockstream" stuff is so lulzy. random derpy outfit with enough money to cover 18 months' worth of modest burn rate.

04:13:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait, does that mean idiots trying to make smart people feel bad about being smart ?!

04:13:24 BingoBoingo: Yeah

04:14:16 BingoBoingo: "Use smaller words" "I can't read that" "Write for roach comprehension"

04:14:22 mircea_popescu: in other news... the reddit is mainstream bitcoin now ? in what alt-world ?

04:16:01 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/J6Rhw somewhat lulzy.

04:16:05 assbot: overview for BLUEMEANIE4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hPjiW0 )

04:17:43 mircea_popescu: ;;ud Potemkin

04:17:45 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=potemkin | Comes from a legend of Governor Potemkin of Crimea who supposedly created sham villages (Potemkin Villages) to impress his queen from a distance, but this ...

04:17:51 mircea_popescu: oh i c.

04:18:22 mircea_popescu: i had nfi what the anglos are trying to say by "potemkin", which is a common enough name, among people with an actual culture.

04:19:07 mircea_popescu: i kept thinking salce's "corazzata potemkin" and it just didn't make any sense.

04:19:29 mircea_popescu: ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=grJNVDs2_70 as clifnotes)

04:20:27 BingoBoingo: Ah

04:23:04 asciilifeform: maxim of the day: only visit anthill with a magnifying glass in your pocket.

04:23:23 mircea_popescu: it's funny what of the outside world makes it in.

04:23:25 asciilifeform: otherwise, just frustrating.

04:23:39 mircea_popescu: how did they hear of crimean potemkin but not of the great red ship ? who knows.

04:23:54 *: asciilifeform was mega-cultureshocked when asked colleagues about ants and magnifying glass and no one knew of this

04:24:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in maryland they burn the ants with empathy, no need for technology.

04:24:42 asciilifeform: nah it's closer to 'what's an ant'

04:24:48 mircea_popescu: see ?

04:24:53 mats: maybe i had a shit magnifying glass but i never got it to work

04:25:04 mircea_popescu: mats nobody had shittier glass than russian kids.

04:25:05 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how did they hear of crimean potemkin but not of the great red ship ? who knows. << Cold War culture. Those ruskies love playing pretend...

04:25:12 asciilifeform: mats: gotta be around the size of your palm, to work reliably

04:25:16 mircea_popescu: just need a stable hand to keep it colimated.

04:25:20 asciilifeform: and this.

04:25:23 asciilifeform: most importantly.

04:25:29 asciilifeform: ~pop~

04:25:37 mircea_popescu: by far. as even one inch off... you lose 97% or so of power

04:25:42 asciilifeform: aha.

04:25:47 asciilifeform: good tutorial in 1/d^2

04:25:52 mats: ic

04:25:53 mircea_popescu: yes.

04:26:04 mircea_popescu: best way for kids to understand what nonlinear means

04:26:36 asciilifeform: can give kid (chemically untreated - go, find, in usa) wooden plank, in lieu of ants, if the latter cannot be had

04:26:54 mircea_popescu: i think only works on dry pine.

04:27:02 mircea_popescu: maybe birch bark shavings

04:27:05 asciilifeform: gotta be dry and sans the 'fire-resisting' crud

04:27:28 mircea_popescu: actually needs the fire-enabling resin.

04:27:33 mircea_popescu: i dun think plain wood catches.

04:27:49 asciilifeform: typically don't want 'catch' but to turn black/brown in nice gradations

04:27:51 asciilifeform: to draw on.

04:28:15 mircea_popescu: you know we had a special soldering iron for doing that, at school ?

04:28:20 asciilifeform: same

04:28:26 asciilifeform: but i had, brother's, at home

04:29:30 asciilifeform: http://www.fresher.ru/manager_content/images2/chto-prosili-u-deda-moroza-shkolniki-80-x-godov/6.jpg

04:29:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIV0XN )

04:29:32 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the crimean event was pre-ww2.

04:29:43 mircea_popescu: but i guess still works discoursively sure.

04:29:50 asciilifeform: (not quite same device, but similar)

04:30:06 mircea_popescu: omfg so 1970

04:30:23 asciilifeform: mega-70s.

04:30:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah mythology. Stalin was an evolution of Peter's empty facades and clumsy imitation of the west.

04:30:36 BingoBoingo: So says 'Murican narrative

04:31:35 asciilifeform: http://embroidery-digitizing.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/burning-device.jpg << also popular

04:31:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIVbCp )

04:32:40 asciilifeform: my mother (was a dermatologist) had one of these ^ modified as a radiothermal cauterizer

04:33:25 asciilifeform: (apparatus where a small tesla coil craps out high-freq current which burns out, e.g., a mole; what closes the circuit? ~you~, as an antenna!)

04:33:56 BingoBoingo: Very common.

04:34:02 asciilifeform: not mega-surprise, proper medical gear was scarce.

04:35:28 asciilifeform: http://savepic.net/3474247.htm

04:35:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIVq0h )

04:35:29 asciilifeform: l0l!!!!

04:35:38 asciilifeform: ^ 'toy. for children 8-16 years.'

04:35:56 asciilifeform: just picture trying this in usa!!

04:36:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> not mega-surprise, proper medical gear was scarce. << Still rather state of the art.

04:36:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the basic concept was introduced in early '40s and not changed since.

04:36:45 asciilifeform: as in, while tesla still lived.

04:37:34 BingoBoingo: of course, how could it be invented otherwise

04:37:35 asciilifeform: it is lulzy to show this gadget to students/n00bz with a piece of metal uncontacted by any ground on the other side, and nice tall spark

04:37:43 asciilifeform: and ask 'what closes circuit' ?

04:51:08 mircea_popescu: it's lulzier to propose to people that "lightning could never strike aeroplane - what's to close the circuit ?!?!?!"

04:51:10 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZStwADQFy9I

04:51:11 assbot: Bomb Hunters Afghanistan National Geographic Documentary - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7R2Yz )

04:51:23 mats: 95% of sappers i ever talked to performed missions just like this

04:51:29 mats: their entire deployment

04:51:32 mircea_popescu: mats "get us some food" ?

04:52:11 mats: lots became firefighters after, to chase the thrill

04:56:04 mircea_popescu: "Maid of Athens, ere we part, give, oh, give back my heart! Or, since that has left my breast... keep it now, and take the rest! Hear my vow before I go, ζωή μου, σᾶς ἀγαπῶ."

04:56:25 mircea_popescu: now that's what i call genius. that thing actually fucking rhymes, agapou / go are exactly homophonic.

04:57:29 BingoBoingo: <mats> lots became firefighters after, to chase the thrill << The one part of the Nordic system that works always. Once people get hooked on the thrill you don't have to pay them in anything other than opportunity to continue.

04:58:06 mats: welp, the way building codes makes shit safer, you just end up jerking off in the firehouse or starting a business on the job

04:58:33 mircea_popescu: or getting shot by some ghetto monkey.

04:58:34 mats: if i wasn't so broke i'd probably make a go at it

05:05:28 *: BingoBoingo has moderated his future vehicle plans. Instead of firetruck contemplating pickup truck.

05:10:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246988 >> i was taught that english call this item 'macaronic poem.' in my mind, the iconic instance is pelevin's 'my sister, do you still recall как Ельцин бился мордой в пол ?'

05:10:15 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 04:56:04; mircea_popescu: "Maid of Athens, ere we part, give, oh, give back my heart! Or, since that has left my breast... keep it now, and take the rest! Hear my vow before I go, ζωή μου, σᾶς ἀγαπῶ."

05:11:15 mircea_popescu: nonsense, "macaronic" my foot. it's above language not below it.

05:11:30 asciilifeform: complain to them, not me, l0l

05:11:32 mircea_popescu: but hey, the nationalistic ambitions of victoria, regina horsefucker.

05:12:24 mircea_popescu: is the "face down fight" a sort of fucking ?

05:12:45 asciilifeform: nah it's him hammering the ground with his face (falling down drunk)

05:13:03 mircea_popescu: lol

05:24:55 mircea_popescu: btw, i have been wondering since the stuff started : how is it that tatar-bunar's never mentioned re the ukrainian situation ?

05:25:22 mircea_popescu: the very approximative knowledge in humanities of the english speaking folk, at both astroturf and crackpot/armchair general level never ceases to amaze me.

05:25:49 mircea_popescu: they've heard of one potemkin but not another, they know of this but not that, they're familiar with queens but don't think the brooklyn bridge exists, stuff like that.

05:25:55 mircea_popescu: wtf am i to make of all this!

05:26:21 BingoBoingo: It's broken

05:31:21 mircea_popescu: for that matter, "Требование увода советских войск из Грузии и организации референдума "под контролем смешанных комиссий из социалистов и коммунистов" представляет собой одну из самых низкопробных империалистских ловушек под демократи

05:31:21 mircea_popescu: ческим флагом национального самоопределения." approximately translates to "fuck you nuland".

05:32:07 mircea_popescu: basically, nobody knows anything anymore.

05:50:48 mircea_popescu: http://www.ziartricolorul.ro/fostul-ministru-de-externe-adrian-severin-da-lovitura-de-gratie-amestecului-brutal-al-yankeilor-in-justitia-romana/ << obscure romanian fringe thing, printing the letter an obscure romanian twerp (caught in corruption probe, kicked out of eu parliament, as the last phase of his public decay - only ended up in the eu parliament because at the time that's where romania sent all its bankrupt n

05:50:49 assbot: Fostul ministru de Externe Adrian Severin dă lovitura de graţie amestecului brutal al yankeilor în Justiţia Română | | Ziar Tricolorul ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJ0Vfv )

05:50:49 mircea_popescu: ames to die out).

05:51:29 mircea_popescu: this thing is only notable because the guy is exactly correct in what he says. but he's easily the least frequentable name in romanian politics, short of actual mental cases. and this not in a good way - he truly is reprehensible.

05:51:52 mircea_popescu: how this shit works, where truth only ends up spoken by the thoroughly disgraced, is my favourite mystery of nature.

05:52:24 mircea_popescu: for as long as there's even the faintest hope of maybe one day scamming someone, every last human being is 100% jwz.

05:52:36 mircea_popescu: once that absolute last hope is lost, suddenly they're all saints somehow. da fuck.

05:53:09 mircea_popescu: ;;google freedom's just another name for nothing left to lose

05:53:09 gribble: Janis Joplin - Me and Bobby McG - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTHRg_iSWzM; Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose - Genius: http://genius.com/1028439/Janis-joplin-me-and-bobby-mcgee/Freedoms-just-another-word-for-nothing-left-to-lose; Kris Kristofferson – Me and Bobby McGee Lyrics | Genius: http://genius.com/Kris-kristofferson-me-and-bobby- (1 more message)

05:53:10 mircea_popescu: it must be.

06:13:12 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

06:24:33 Vexual: wb

06:27:08 BingoBoingo: ty

06:27:25 Vexual: nty

06:31:12 BingoBoingo: Oh how the bezzle changes http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/dermatologist-agrees-to-sales-tax-deal-with-frontenac/article_cb22f6bc-fe3e-5c12-b65f-1ef832f09590.html

06:31:14 assbot: Dermatologist agrees to sales tax deal with Frontenac : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7UNNT )

06:31:15 Vexual: #couthasfuck

06:31:39 BingoBoingo: "This city is highly dependent on sales tax, and where a business will be operating under a conditional use permit due to parking and traffic considerations, we feel it reasonable that it pays a PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes)," City Administrator Bob Shelton said. "The medical service fees are not taxable but when the practices sell items, sales tax is involved."

06:32:59 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell asciilifeform How do you handle an overloaded dosimeter? I've just kind of been ignoring it but the burns and nausea are piling up.

06:33:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15366 @ 0.00067044 = 10.302 BTC [+]

06:33:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:33:30 Vexual: fluffypony: http://41.media.tumblr.com/a2d1999874e0e8a8b252d8693ef7978c/tumblr_ngcdjuFHLv1s0vorfo1_r3_540.png

06:33:54 fluffypony: lol

06:35:30 Vexual: you got niggaz on comix.qntra?

06:36:15 BingoBoingo: I never new we had a state pie nao http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/illinois-hit-with-downgrades-as-springfield-goes-more-than-days/article_7d32af00-eefb-5234-a698-aaf799ffd8e7.html

06:36:17 assbot: Illinois hit with downgrades as Springfield goes more than 50 days without a budget : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7UZww )

06:36:57 Vexual: 0.2 day without a riot

06:37:30 Vexual: getting to be a bit of a commonality

06:37:55 joecool: what's the ideal bitcoind version to run nodes with nowadays?

06:38:10 Vexual: anything, just wear a condom

06:38:38 Vexual: or syphillis

06:39:47 BingoBoingo: <joecool> what's the ideal bitcoind version to run nodes with nowadays? << Either 'stator' with protocol ticked to 99999 or anything with a lulzy version string

06:39:57 Vexual: alf mod6 voopz have a version named after cool shit

06:40:29 Vexual: you can even make em report aas u like

06:40:56 Vexual: retort?

06:43:05 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65RkFL_yGpo

06:44:28 joecool: !up Vexual

06:45:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11109 @ 0.00066925 = 7.4347 BTC [-] {3}

06:46:06 danielpbarron: !s rotor

06:46:07 assbot: 176 results for 'rotor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rotor

06:46:11 danielpbarron: joecool, ^

06:46:57 joecool: i'm reading already, i remember this announcement in july http://qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/

06:46:58 assbot: Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtwUjM )

06:49:32 mircea_popescu: joecool iirc it was 0.5.4 or whatever you feel like

06:57:56 Vexual: don't fuck with satoshi engineering

06:58:32 Vexual: even accidentals were indicental

07:00:47 BingoBoingo: joecool: With the anticipated spam attacks ideally you will want to bolt the Ophanage amputation and thermonuke modifications to whatever you choose. Also make sure you fix the BDB locks problem in your chose codebase. Anything post 0.3.21 and pre 0.8 should be fine. If you don't have particular things you fuss over 0.5.4'stator/rotor' is probably as close to idea as you will come

07:01:16 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gDhR1R3S0s

07:02:11 joecool: BingoBoingo: if i have fetched blockchain with a newer version will i need to refetch?

07:02:21 joecool: or is reindex sufficient

07:03:08 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5IdtqFf95g <same shit.. better

07:04:32 Vexual: joecool, the answer presents itself

07:05:08 mircea_popescu: how newer ?

07:05:14 BingoBoingo: joecool: If your blockchain is later than 0.7-ish you will need to refetch

07:05:31 BingoBoingo: 0.8 introduced the leveldb bullshit

07:06:32 joecool: damn, oh well no matter

07:06:46 Vexual: fatchoverlan ifuliek

07:07:28 BingoBoingo: It's not that big of a deal. Mostly CPU bound anyways so if it is slow you can blame you own machine.

07:09:30 danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/rotor_quest.txt

07:09:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J9kLgL )

07:11:10 BingoBoingo: brb, time travel

07:11:30 Vexual: tdc

07:22:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.0006879 = 14.0332 BTC [+] {3}

07:55:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36222 @ 0.00067328 = 24.3875 BTC [-] {2}

08:04:50 trinque: danielpbarron: that appears to be in need of my patch

08:11:38 cazalla: !up hk61ocL6zIE

08:11:43 cazalla: hk61ocL6zIE, nah not tonight mate

08:12:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00068571 = 22.1484 BTC [+] {2}

08:13:04 Vexual: whats for dinner you big cunt?

08:13:22 Vexual: half a sidde of beef?

08:14:28 cazalla: just a porterhouse and some veg

08:14:39 Vexual: you dont fuck about me friend

08:15:07 Vexual: choice cut and or rabbits

08:15:40 Vexual: crankin the barbie i guess?

08:16:53 cazalla: nah, just pan fry for quick meal once kid is in bed

08:17:05 Vexual: noice

08:18:02 Vexual: no time to shoot a rabbit

08:19:07 Vexual: heres one i prepared earlier

08:21:17 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-XO8LYkgl8

08:23:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00066925 = 6.4917 BTC [-] {2}

08:24:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22478 @ 0.00068791 = 15.4628 BTC [+] {2}

08:25:21 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCCvimZ6mfg

08:26:39 Vexual: phf: some dick owns the rights

08:26:59 Vexual: plural

08:27:57 Vexual: hows the ratraces cazalla?

08:29:37 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fMtnJGOf-U

08:30:26 Vexual: ill bet theres a blackfella on the books

08:31:07 Vexual: tell me im wrong

08:31:53 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246926 I can't even remember all the things I tried to burn with magn. glass

08:31:53 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 04:23:54; *: asciilifeform was mega-cultureshocked when asked colleagues about ants and magnifying glass and no one knew of this

08:31:56 Vexual: cunts cog it

08:32:29 Vexual: hippies burn bongs with a lens here

08:33:02 Vexual: palm width machine as someone said

08:33:54 punkman: Vexual: are they too poor for butane?

08:34:12 Vexual: too rich, prefer incidental sun

08:36:52 Vexual: pinch your lighter in the nightime like a fucking bum

08:37:14 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246989 << it does rhyme, but only if you pronounce go as "goh"

08:37:14 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 04:56:25; mircea_popescu: now that's what i call genius. that thing actually fucking rhymes, agapou / go are exactly homophonic.

08:38:14 *: mircea_popescu disagrees with punkman over how greek's supposed to be said.

08:38:29 Vexual: i quit

08:40:32 mircea_popescu: go is /gəʊ/. ἀγαπῶ is /ʌgʌpəʊ/.

08:40:33 Vexual: 86 billion pay it back with your shit pit

08:41:17 mircea_popescu: IPA notation's not even exact enough to capture how close the two final vowels ACTUALLY are.

08:43:31 punkman: well I dunno if it that was the case 500 years ago, certainly not today

08:44:56 mircea_popescu: do ἀγαπῶ and "ἀγαπο" sound different, today ?

08:46:29 punkman: I'm bad at the whole making sounds thing, but I suppose ω would be slightly longer than ο

08:46:46 mircea_popescu: i guess it simplified huh.

08:47:07 punkman: simplified a lot

08:47:13 mircea_popescu: ῶ is obviously supposed to be... long omicron.

08:47:20 mircea_popescu: omega*

08:48:28 mircea_popescu: ("sweeter omega", realy, in the words of my very old classics teacher, but that'd be a term of art)

08:53:20 punkman: Ancient greek class, at least as I remember it, never focused on the sounds. It was more "here's 150 grammar rules to memorize"

08:53:47 mircea_popescu: i... skipped that part :D

08:54:17 punkman: I gotta say though, reading text peppered with 5 diacritics per word, makes my eyes hurt

08:55:30 mircea_popescu: you ever seen early romanian ?

08:56:01 punkman: is it even worse? :P

08:59:56 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/#selection-45.0-47.21

08:59:57 assbot: Grafia istorica a limbii romane on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ppy4xs )

09:15:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00068791 = 10.6282 BTC [+]

09:53:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.0006722 = 16.6706 BTC [-]

09:57:25 punkman: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--SA3BaNl_--/1392562351668837008.png

09:57:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIVNxU )

09:58:29 mircea_popescu: gross profit = total income now !?

09:58:32 mircea_popescu: what the fucking omf.

09:59:28 mircea_popescu: ahahaha 50mn extraordinary on 80mn justified expense bwahahaha o god.

09:59:31 mircea_popescu: are they in jail yet ?

09:59:53 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/UK6wrHU.jpg

09:59:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIW5oC )

10:00:13 punkman: and snapchat balance sheet http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--7I5hFUuB--/1392562351693364368.png

10:00:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIWask )

10:02:04 punkman: "Snapchat’s ad rates have declined rapidly. This month the company announced it would start to charge $20 per 1,000 views, a fraction of its earlier price, agencies say."

10:02:11 mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Secretary_Kerry_Meets_With_Ukrainian_Opposition_Leaders_in_Munich_(12253362394).jpg << dude check them out, they met in a tourist furnished studio thing.

10:02:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmXsTz )

10:02:14 punkman: $20cpm, a fraction!!

10:02:17 mircea_popescu: just how broke IS the us these days ?

10:02:32 mircea_popescu: i don't think i sat that close to people since being about five.

10:04:27 scoopbot_revived: I killed one, I'm publishing another, who the hell knows what's going on anymore. http://fraudsters.com/2015/i-killed-one-im-publishing-another-who-the-hell-knows-whats-going-on-anymore/

10:06:03 mircea_popescu: and the mcdonalds happy meal diet clearly isn't agreeing with nuland.

10:08:17 mircea_popescu: wait. tidd ?! da fuck is tidd doing there. and donfried roflmao. omfg this is the elephant funeral already.

10:08:44 mircea_popescu: best keks pic of today.

10:10:40 mircea_popescu: punkman 20 cpm is outrageous anyway. they could get maybe 3.5 or something.

10:25:53 punkman: http://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/5aa031e05482099726ddf4859a9ee8b3e22a1683/0_141_1988_1192/master/1988.jpg?w=1920&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=5ff30a1fc2a23e14cbe8de8d9b6b4f86

10:25:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIYT5a )

10:27:13 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CM5xPf_UEAAnfex.jpg

10:27:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIZ0NX )

10:28:00 kakobrekla: O_o

10:29:10 punkman: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/meet-deez-nuts-the-teen-presidential-candidate-punking-america-20150819

10:29:12 assbot: Meet 'Deez Nuts,' the Teen Presidential Candidate Punking America | Rolling Stone ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIZfZv )

10:31:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60394 @ 0.00068791 = 41.5456 BTC [+] {2}

10:36:09 punkman: for dirigible aficionados http://news.usni.org/2015/08/19/exploring-the-wreck-of-uss-macon-the-navys-last-flying-aircraft-carrier

10:36:10 assbot: Exploring the Wreck of USS Macon, The Navy's Last Flying Aircraft Carrier - USNI News ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIZDqW )

10:36:35 mircea_popescu: trump actually leading clinton dear god.

10:37:07 punkman: nobody wants the job eh

10:37:38 mircea_popescu: i think the woman is deeply insulted.

10:45:30 shinohai: https://redd.it/3hqo2d

10:48:04 shinohai: ^ this guy

10:50:28 punkman: "Creator of The Ideal Reserve with about a decade of experience in applied economics, over a decade of experience in finance, and over two decades of experience in technology."

10:50:33 punkman: https://www.idealreserve.info/

10:50:35 assbot: The Ideal Reserve - a decentralized, instantaneous, price stable, cryptocurrency ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZobAQ )

10:51:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14662 @ 0.00068974 = 10.113 BTC [+]

10:53:59 kakobrekla: and nine years bitcoin expertience

10:54:10 shinohai: r/buttcoin laghed at him a few eeks back

10:54:17 shinohai: it was epic

10:54:32 mircea_popescu: cumulated experience ?

10:54:51 shinohai: emphasis on "cum"

10:56:33 punkman: "By downloading and/or executing the Ideal Reserve Clearinghouse application, you agree to the following terms: You will not attempt to reverse engineer the Ideal Reserve Clearinghouse application."

10:57:54 shinohai: whatever

10:58:00 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246723 < assboti is a chukcha and it knows it.

10:58:00 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 03:05:31; asciilifeform: holy fuck is assbot broken.

10:58:12 mircea_popescu: whatnow ?!

10:58:21 punkman: lol

10:58:36 mircea_popescu: punkman by reading this you agree not to agree with the ideal herp derp whateverthefuck.

10:58:52 shinohai: !b 2

10:58:52 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0Y1CSXG.txt )

10:59:35 fluffypony: lol

11:00:42 fluffypony: by continuing to read this sentence you acknowledge and agree to the aforementioned terms, if you do not agree with them you should have stopped reading like 3 sentences back

11:01:06 mircea_popescu: by blinking you agree milk is better than soy sauce.

11:01:33 shinohai: isn't this the same genius that tried to sell bible coin or some shit by issuing fake shares?

11:01:33 kakobrekla: thats pretty much the standard

11:02:29 kakobrekla: shitload of pages has this in their tos ... ' if you came here, you agree with all what we say below: you are a dick. '

11:05:34 yang: kakobrekla: hi

11:14:32 kakobrekla: heya sup

11:16:13 yang: kakobrekla: nothing special

11:18:02 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246340 <<< jesus christ, put the poor bastard out of his misery instead

11:18:02 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 00:08:02; ag3nt_zer0: seen this anyone? pretty fucking miraculous that power of music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyZQf0p73QM

11:18:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00068426 = 5.7136 BTC [-] {2}

11:18:42 shinohai: Euthanasia, it's whats for dinner.

11:18:59 fluffypony: shinohai: why would we want to eat the youth in Asia?

11:19:08 shinohai: >.>

11:19:23 *: fluffypony giggles

11:20:49 mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hrum5/degenerate_gambler_mircea_popescu_muses_about_how/cuagfoj << in an improbable twist of win, /r/buttcoin moves from proitesting bitcoin because "unlike fiat currency IT IS NOT BASED ON ACTUAL VALUE" to protesting eulora. because...

11:20:50 assbot: Mycelium_Running comments on Degenerate gambler Mircea Popescu muses about how female monkeys love their rapists but will attack beta males: "No female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist." ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmBegE )

11:21:02 mircea_popescu: unlike REAL activity it is not based on... ACTUAL VALUE!!11

11:30:21 mircea_popescu: but enough laughs for today. tomorrow is another lolday!

11:46:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23309 @ 0.00070019 = 16.3207 BTC [+] {2}

12:03:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0006931 = 15.1789 BTC [-]

12:45:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00069166 = 14.8707 BTC [-]

12:48:02 mats: https://archive.is/jnLGB

12:48:56 mats: >assbot chokes

12:49:04 mats: http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/isis-and-american-colleges-have-in-common/1178261

12:49:05 assbot: What ISIS And American College Campuses Surprisingly Have In Common ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jou8g1 )

12:49:56 punkman: "The problem is staggering. According to a White House report, one in five women (20 percent) is sexually assaulted in college. Around 5 percent of men report being sexually assaulted on campus as well."

12:50:25 mats: heh

12:51:15 mats: in other news, I have perfected my Japanese Curry recipe

12:51:23 mats: it is dericious

12:52:10 fluffypony: mats: do you serve it with flied lice?

12:52:34 fluffypony: sorry that was terrible, couldn't resist :-P

12:52:43 mats: no man

12:52:48 punkman: mats, what's the recipe then, don't be a cooktease

12:52:51 mats: what a waste of good curry

12:56:29 mats: my recipe can only be shared with folks rated 5 or higher in my wot

12:56:36 mats: sorry

13:02:46 fluffypony: !gettrust mats

13:02:47 assbot: Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user mats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=fluffypony&to=mats | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mats/

13:02:52 fluffypony: meh

13:03:23 mats: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/argentine-military-capability-almost-all-gone

13:03:24 assbot: Argentine military capability almost all gone ... ( http://bit.ly/1JowUlD )

13:04:12 mats: >2012 saw the training ship ARA Libertad seized in Ghana on the orders of a hedge fund seeking reparations from the Argentinian government. Shortly afterward, the corvette ARA Espora was stranded in South Africa for seventy-three days after the German company hired to repair a mechanical fault refused to carry out the work as a result of the Argentine

13:04:12 mats: government’s unpaid bills.

13:04:29 mats: ouch

13:08:09 chetty: you know its interesting how argentina demonstrates normality ..all of the hoopla about what if 'greece' or whoevers todays whipping boy defaults ..not much, life goes on really

13:10:14 mats: http://cturt.github.io/ps4.html

13:10:14 assbot: PS4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Joy6VY )

13:26:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67100 @ 0.00067641 = 45.3871 BTC [-]

13:28:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00067112 = 43.5557 BTC [-] {3}

13:37:19 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246633

13:37:19 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 02:22:08; mircea_popescu: Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высше

13:37:28 kakobrekla: eh how the fuck

13:41:27 *: kakobrekla just pulled up a test assnode and it doesnt have this issue

13:47:01 punkman: seems to work

13:47:19 kakobrekla: hm?

13:48:14 punkman: I get cyrillic in both web and irc

13:48:46 kakobrekla: i see garbage on irc but only on this chan, private msg and dev chan is ok

13:48:56 kakobrekla: so wtf.

13:53:01 kakobrekla: someone else that sees garbage on chan pls to paste the log link to assbot pvt msg and tell me what you get

14:00:35 punkman: ̴̳͚̬͍̫̪̙Z͉̤̺̻͢A̤͕͓̦L̘̰G͈̲͜O͖̠̳̣ͅ!̻̺̗͟

14:00:43 punkman: kakobrekla: how about that one

14:02:34 punkman: ̡̲̱̤̰͍͖̬̹̻̹̝̣̺̙͑̄̆ͤ̀͟͝͡ü̧̉̊ͤ̄͝҉҉̱̤̫̭̬n̷̛̝̱͉̟̙͓̤̟͕̟͍̦͕̠͔̠̺ͨ̅ͫ͒̅ͬ̋ͩ͑̉̊̏̍̾͌̒ͦ́̚͘͢ͅỉ̡̨̮̙̲̫̭̼̜̬̙̺̮̱̑͑̉ͣ̈́́̈́̓́̚̚͝ͅͅc̄̒̓ͮ̅͆͑ͣ͂ͦͩͥ̐ͪ͊̃ͩͧ̆͏͍͕̹̻̣͚̠̹̳̦̭̳̲͘͝ͅo̭̣̜̹̝̘͕ͭͣ͋̂͒̂ͩ̉̓ͪ̋̿̋͊ͤ̚͜ḑ̵ͯ̆ͣ͋͢͞͏͕͙̫͙̘̦̘̭͈̜͉͚̥̲e̴̷͔̣͙̜̤̣̦̭̯̫͎̪ͯ̽̓̿̌̍̈́͂̅͛̔̓̀͢͟?

14:03:05 kakobrekla: broked

14:07:56 thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov

14:07:57 gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <jurov> i, in turn, supplied buttcoiners with a certain walrus, we'll see

14:12:23 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i see garbage

14:15:02 punkman: heh http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00300-014-1618-3

14:15:02 assbot: Multiple occurrences of king penguin (Aptenodytes patagonicus) sexual harassment by Antarctic fur seals (Arctocephalus gazella) - Springer ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4z2QT )

14:15:56 asciilifeform: 'We describe three new occurrences of the sexual coercion of king penguins (Aptenodytes patagonicus) by Antarctic fur seals (Arctocephalus gazella) on sub-Antarctic Marion Island. These recurrent observations follow a common pattern where the seal chases, captures and mounts the penguin, followed by copulation attempts. These observations are similar to a previously published observation from the same island, and we suggest th

14:15:56 asciilifeform: at this may be an emergent behaviour.'

14:15:57 asciilifeform: l0l!

14:16:27 punkman: more footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8U4mourlc8

14:16:28 assbot: Antarctic fur seal sexually coerces king penguin Как тюлень любил пингвина - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4zpeq )

14:16:50 punkman: kakobrekla: do you get cyrillic in that title?

14:22:15 mike_c: kakobrekla: if helpful - I see cyrillic on your lines, and garbage for whatever punkman posted

14:22:32 kakobrekla: :\

14:23:14 kakobrekla: punkman yea

14:27:43 punkman: http://i.imgur.com/lY1XOH4.png

14:27:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4CUBy )

14:34:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20023 @ 0.00066887 = 13.3928 BTC [-] {2}

14:38:14 kakobrekla: yeah not sure if iwant that

14:41:35 punkman: kakobrekla: don't be racist, equality for my unicodez

14:41:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://bitcoinist.net/bitpay-favor-merging-bip-101-bitcoin-core << >> time to stop feeding them ?

14:41:44 assbot: BitPay in Favor of Merging BIP 101 Into Bitcoin Core - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4HHTx )

14:41:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:41:55 asciilifeform: (or to start ?)

14:42:19 asciilifeform: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-core-devs-in-civil-war-insist-were-not-getting-the-whole-story << mega-lulz

14:42:20 assbot: Bitcoin Core Devs in ‘Civil War’ Insist We’re Not Getting The Whole Story | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4HSyf )

14:45:41 asciilifeform: what a peculiar fishwrap. i read, for instance, the linked piece, http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-bitcoin-could-make-distributing-a-universal-basic-income-actually-possible -- and kept waiting for the mention of where they plan to steal it... didn't see one

14:45:42 assbot: How Bitcoin Could Make Distributing a Universal Basic Income Actually Possible | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4IXGm )

14:46:36 *: asciilifeform bbl

15:10:39 punkman: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hu0k1/is_there_a_video_with_a_panel_discussion_about/

15:10:40 assbot: Is there a video with a panel discussion about the block size BIPs, fork drama, etc.? Is there demand for one? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4R59J )

15:16:17 chetty: whats with everything has to be a video? reading is a lost art?

15:19:42 BingoBoingo: Not even wrong: "However, the question of whether miners and pools will support that increase in the form of XT, a fork of Bitcoin Core, remains. It currently has 13.7% of bitcoin's hashing power behind it." << https://archive.is/41s4u

15:19:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAjGUs )

15:22:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9383 @ 0.00066444 = 6.2344 BTC [-]

15:30:04 punkman: https://joac.github.io/donations/en/

15:30:05 assbot: Donate! | joac ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAl6yk )

16:15:03 BingoBoingo: I love finding out who reads Qntra sometimes, take this example of the editor of American Banker https://archive.is/3zJWA

16:15:06 assbot: Marc Hochstein on Twitter: ""Regulating use of bitcoin at the protocol level" -- would pretty much ruin it http://t.co/hfN1QCo8NT" ... ( http://bit.ly/1JaCA15 )

16:23:03 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247280 <<< sadly reading is a lost art

16:23:03 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 15:16:17; chetty: whats with everything has to be a video? reading is a lost art?

16:23:19 shinohai: I cannot learn from videos myself

16:31:14 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: didn't know that article was going to get any traction

16:46:38 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

16:46:43 ascii_field: http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/20/9185469/ashley-madison-leak-contents-email-archive-biderman

16:46:45 assbot: The second Ashley Madison leak is mostly source code | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDdqdL )

17:01:14 ascii_field: https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/3hr9f0/i_am_john_mcafee_ama << mega-l0l

17:01:16 assbot: I am John McAfee AMA! : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIl7Jp )

17:01:25 ascii_field: 'There is nothing illegal that the government there is not into. The government is smart if you just go there as an American you will not be bothered. I lived in the jungles where I was the only white person, and they were on to me. They asked me for $2M, weeks later 40+ armed men stormed my house, shot my favorite dog, and held me in the sun with my hands tied. The next day the congressman came and apoligized and asked

17:01:25 ascii_field: for the $2M again. I should have done that rather than tell him to get the fuck off my property.'

17:04:35 chetty: a tad more blatant than the usg methods

17:04:49 ascii_field: orcs.

17:09:55 ascii_field: 'There's going to be a shitload of stuff going down. The hacker said they were going to release. If it were me, I'd had come clean immediately to my wife. I had a TS clearance at Lockheed, and you have no idea what questions they asked. "Have you ever fucked a sheep?". When the OPM hack happened, I wrote an article where I came clean to everything.'

17:11:07 mircea_popescu: ascii_field "seems to be "

17:11:19 mircea_popescu: you know what, you seem to be in favour of obama, as reported by cnn.

17:11:25 mircea_popescu: laissez.

17:11:52 mircea_popescu: they've been in favour of preferably nobody remembering they exist until this goes away.

17:11:57 ascii_field: re: which

17:12:30 mircea_popescu: only got one gribble.

17:12:48 ascii_field: ah that.

17:13:23 *: ascii_field doesn't write these, just pulls them out of the sewer manhole

17:13:28 mircea_popescu: https://medium.com/@spair/increasing-the-block-size-limit-85ff236fc516 << read the source at any rate.

17:13:30 assbot: Increasing the Block Size Limit — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIrBI0 )

17:13:51 mircea_popescu: guy's prolly laboured for two weeks to make that thing, which he perhaps sees as "in the best us civilisation tradition".

17:15:08 mircea_popescu: anyway. "TTM" lol. srsly.

17:15:51 ascii_field: 'I don't have a preference (LTC/BTC/ETC). A company in Uraguay has improperly used my name....' (mcaffee)

17:16:00 ascii_field: ... does he pgp?

17:16:09 mircea_popescu: does he spellcheck ?

17:16:16 ascii_field: we already know answer to that

17:16:25 mircea_popescu: to both. he pcps.

17:17:31 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:19:19 thestringpuller: enjoy

17:19:59 thestringpuller: oops lag

17:25:59 mats: he keeps talking about the proxyham wtf

17:26:21 ascii_field: mats: the man smokes dope

17:26:26 ascii_field: (likely - daily)

17:28:50 mircea_popescu: dope would be one thing, but this guy smokes the carpeting.

17:29:00 ascii_field: the linoleum

17:30:05 mircea_popescu: "Late Friday, the Twitter feed for Rhino Security, the consultancy run by the project?s creator Ben Caudill, announced that Caudill?s talk was being pulled from the DefCon line-up, and that the ProxyHam project was being called off. ?Effective immediately, we are halting further dev on #proxyham and will not be releasing any further details or source for the device,? the message read. ?Existing #proxyham unit

17:30:05 mircea_popescu: s will be disposed of and no longer be made available at [DefCon]?"

17:31:00 mats: proxyham can be built by a teenager with a day of research

17:31:10 mircea_popescu: you don't understand how america works.

17:31:45 ascii_field: it was pretty lame, too

17:32:01 ascii_field: wifi card plugged into a 900MHz (cordless telephony band in usa) modem

17:32:07 ascii_field: fiddybux for the whole thing

17:32:07 mats: >The old arts of spying has really disappeared, my favorite is Android, for ease-of-use. The first thing I do is root it with towelroot to remove update capabilities, then remove bloatware, then unroot it of course.

17:32:12 mats: g-genius

17:32:21 ascii_field: mats: the man runs winblowz. by own admission.

17:34:21 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dope would be one thing, but this guy smokes the carpeting. << likely smokes dope from a pipe carged out of a crack rock

17:34:22 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, lame. but the thinking seems to be, it's no big deal if special people have machine guns, it's a big deal if common people have slingshots.

17:35:06 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the basic thread is that usg is understandably unhappy about violations of the 'diddlable sop standard'

17:35:16 mircea_popescu: maybe

17:35:18 ascii_field: even something so humble as switching radio bands

17:35:38 ascii_field: all of sudden, $maxint snoop machine has to be rebuilt

17:35:47 ascii_field: forms in triplicate...

17:36:14 ascii_field: alternatively, disinfo to make idiots dig up the 900Mhz thing and use it

17:36:31 ascii_field: 'stand up to the establishment!'

17:36:51 ascii_field: the next multicolourphone.

17:37:21 ascii_field: it is even possible for both hypotheses to be true simultaneously

17:37:33 ascii_field: (two separate departments of muppetronics. as in tor.)

17:38:00 mircea_popescu: i have nfi who these guys are, they didn't have the modicum of a clue to make contact or anything. for all i know the whole thing's an orchestrated attempt to shore up the notion that anyone still gives a shit about the usg inside the us.

17:38:10 mircea_popescu: whoever knows.

17:46:28 mircea_popescu: "The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: high frequencies of rape."

17:46:32 mircea_popescu: ajhahaha wut the fuck already.

17:46:40 mircea_popescu: these people are an insult to humanity.

17:47:23 mircea_popescu: "Survival Hunters and Gatherers Above the Arctic (SHGAA) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: they both walk on thin ice."

17:48:43 mircea_popescu: "The Federadion of Mosquitoes, Lice and Ticks (FMLT) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: they both suck"

17:48:46 mircea_popescu: "This Nonsensical Linguistic Construction (NLC) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: they both confuse referents"

17:49:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13712 @ 0.000691 = 9.475 BTC [+]

17:52:54 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:56:30 mircea_popescu: you know looking back... i remember a time when anglo web produced a lower proportion of articles that don't crash and burn in the first paragraph.

17:56:39 mircea_popescu: i think it was even under 80% at some point this millenium.

17:57:16 mircea_popescu: but at some time, back when the stupid parents of the current generation were yet illiterate, english was a pleasure to read.

18:14:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247216 << i lolled :D

18:14:11 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 12:52:10; fluffypony: mats: do you serve it with flied lice?

18:15:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247230 << well, on the good news front, they never had any military capability to begin with

18:15:10 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 13:04:29; mats: ouch

18:15:25 mircea_popescu: a 2nd league hockey team could probably beat up the argentine armed forces.

18:17:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247256 << emergent behaviour ? why, BECAUSE GLOBAL WARMING ?

18:17:03 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 14:15:56; asciilifeform: at this may be an emergent behaviour.'

18:17:12 mircea_popescu: reminds me of the scientist and the flea joke.

18:17:13 ascii_field: ask'em

18:17:58 mircea_popescu: i am asking them.

18:18:30 *: mircea_popescu chuckles at the thought of some [not so ?] distant time in the future when various derps will discover that "nobody could have predicted" they had a lengthy record of shit to answer for in the logs.

18:18:34 danielpbarron: btw I got stator to build with the rotor toolkit and it is currently syncing and up to 153k blocks

18:18:40 mircea_popescu: wd.

18:18:47 ascii_field: danielpbarron: congrats!

18:19:00 danielpbarron: also, on a gentoo install created with trinque's script thingy

18:19:35 mircea_popescu: this is starting to maybe coallesce huh.

18:19:43 thestringpuller: dunno if the buttcoiners hate or love #b-a

18:19:51 thestringpuller: hard to tell

18:20:05 danielpbarron: rotor feels like a "safe space" to borrow some redditard terminology

18:20:34 ascii_field: waaaht

18:20:43 ascii_field: ?!1

18:20:55 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the motherboard article you linked says "satoshi" exactly once, ands that is to claim "and Satoshi showed with some basic calculations that hardware improvements were very likely to outpace Bitcoin growth for decades into the future."

18:21:10 mircea_popescu: somehow they never heard about more recent events.

18:21:14 ascii_field: naturally

18:21:30 mircea_popescu: not so naturally. why is the thing still getting links i don't get it ?

18:22:00 mircea_popescu: not like they have an actual perspective or anything to say

18:22:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24495 @ 0.000691 = 16.926 BTC [+]

18:22:35 mircea_popescu: the only thing that matters re propaganda is whether it gets repeated. that's 100% of it.

18:23:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247281 << yeah, because numbers can be anything. for instance by this procedure motherboard has a readership. which fallacy gets a strangely memory-holed alf toi keep linking to it as if it were a thing, somehow.

18:23:38 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 15:19:42; BingoBoingo: Not even wrong: "However, the question of whether miners and pools will support that increase in the form of XT, a fork of Bitcoin Core, remains. It currently has 13.7% of bitcoin's hashing power behind it." << https://archive.is/41s4u

18:23:42 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

18:24:32 mircea_popescu: i have no idea why patent nonsense read by fewer people than are involved in writing it keeps somehow creeping into the conversation. but this sort of masochism of the intellectual is both ridiculous and overplayed already.

18:29:13 mircea_popescu: I had a TS clearance at Lockheed, and you have no idea what questions they asked. "Have you ever fucked a sheep?" << to which the only acceptable answer is, "does your mother count".

18:31:06 mod6: :D

18:40:59 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: was digging for traces of sanity in there

18:41:18 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but easier to get uranium from the sea.

18:44:02 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i confess, began reading this crud linked from bci's www, where i looked for block guts

18:44:22 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but have, i think, eaten all that i can stomach.

18:46:15 phf: i use to like vice do's&don't's, they were mean and funny. i always thought vice was magazine version of the whole terry richardson, merlin bronques "glam trash" photography, but that was still cool in 2004-2006. i guess it would make sense that they would be faux edgy tech articles, no better or worse then any other online rag, but i can't get over the image of hipsters on heroin writing that shit

18:50:27 ascii_field: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/patch.git/tree/src << what a pile of shit!

18:50:28 assbot: patch.git - GNU patch ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDTGqy )

18:54:06 trinque: danielpbarron: glad it worked out for ya

18:54:29 trinque: this weekend I'm going to put together a rudimentary site for trinque.org and gather a few of the tools I've built there

18:55:00 trinque: that script for example could do with an operator's manual; it's less a cake and more a kitchen

18:59:49 trinque: I've changed it since to dump out a working musl system

19:01:28 trinque: and I think I'll continue to just make all the decisions rather than offer options, and then describe how one might proceed from there on their own, if they so desire

19:04:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29684 @ 0.000691 = 20.5116 BTC [+]

19:07:17 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:07:19 ascii_field: trinque: spiffy

19:11:58 ascii_field: ;;later tell mats http://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-tutorial-analyzing-gsm-with-airprobe-and-wireshark

19:11:59 assbot: RTL-SDR Tutorial: Analyzing GSM with Airprobe/GR-GSM and Wireshark - rtl-sdr.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDWV1h )

19:11:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:21:46 trinque: http://abcnews.go.com/US/slender-man-stabbing-teens-enter-pleas-adult-court/story?id=33225373 << wasn't it 4chan or the like that invented "slender man" ?

19:21:47 assbot: 'Slender Man' Stabbing: Not Guilty Pleas Entered for Teens - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lpxy4p )

19:22:13 trinque: ideas, man... they're powerful

19:22:42 trinque: ah it was Something Awful

20:20:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00069469 = 11.6013 BTC [+] {3}

20:26:20 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvfLPXUHfVc

20:26:21 assbot: MWRC 2011 - Fascism and Faux-pen Source - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UYf38X )

20:27:31 danielpbarron: mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/v0.5.4-TEST1.txt << you want I should run this one rather than the result of my rotor_quest?

20:27:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UYfeRJ )

20:30:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00070162 = 14.9094 BTC [+]

20:47:12 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247400 <<< the guy who founded it (gavin mccines) got shoved out by the sjw who now operate it

20:47:12 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 18:46:15; phf: i use to like vice do's&don't's, they were mean and funny. i always thought vice was magazine version of the whole terry richardson, merlin bronques "glam trash" photography, but that was still cool in 2004-2006. i guess it would make sense that they would be faux edgy tech articles, no better or worse then any other online rag, but i can't get over the image of hipsters on heroin writing that shit

20:50:17 cazalla: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-21/gst-to-be-applied-to-all-products-services-sold-by-vendors/6715582 <<< yet another reason australia sucks

20:50:18 assbot: GST to be applied to more products, services sold by vendors into Australia from July 1, 2017 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1UYjmRu )

20:51:16 jurov: same as eu vat clusterfuck

20:56:24 cazalla: retail is rightfully dying here, so i guess they think this will shore up the taxes they're losing from that sector.. i am more curious to find out if it'll be applied to steam games and in-game purchases

20:57:04 trinque: how do we increase our national wealth?

20:57:09 cazalla: "We are going to have taxation officials travel around the world visiting these companies asking them to register for GST purposes," federal Treasurer Joe Hockey said.

20:57:12 trinque: by slowing down all economic activity, of course!

20:57:37 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:57:40 ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: here is an experiment: change ' print $0 " " o ' in vdiff.sh to ' print $1 " " $2 " " o '. this results in timestamp amputation. the patches work fine, except that gnupatch is no longer aware of preexisting files and will happily create the same file twice, if so run, glomming on top of itself.

20:58:27 ascii_field: but the resulting vpatches work, when applied with conventional gnupatch

20:58:42 ascii_field: for both from-vacuum creation of files (as in 'genesis') and the later patches.

20:58:58 thestringpuller: danielpbarron has a computer named naomi

20:59:00 thestringpuller: sexy

20:59:22 ascii_field: also i recommend changing the last line of the script to LC_ALL=C ./vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch

20:59:37 ascii_field: the result of these two changes should be BITWISE IDENTICAL GENESIS FOR ALL

20:59:45 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ^

20:59:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:00:54 ascii_field: if folks are happy with this result, i will re-create and sign the entire shebang tomorrow.

21:03:07 hdbuck: http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/staff-editorials/13910/sox-browser-history-obstruction-justice/?fb=ss&prtnr=hackingnews

21:03:09 assbot: Deleting your browser history could land you in prison ... ( http://bit.ly/1UYliK1 )

21:04:08 ascii_field: 'The absence of evidence shouldn’t be viewed as proof of guilt, but tell that to the U.S. federal court—where Khairullozhon Matanov received a 30-month sentence in mid-June, in part for deleting his browser history. Though he wasn’t an accomplice in the Boston bombing, the FBI charged that the friend of the Tsarnaev brothers with obstructing justice by destroying evidence in the case. That evidence inc

21:04:08 ascii_field: ludes now-deleted entries in his browser history, along with certain videos.

21:04:08 ascii_field: Matanov isn’t the first person to be sentenced under such circumstances.'

21:04:24 trinque: and furthermore

21:04:38 trinque: "Under the law, people are required to preserve any evidence they knowingly believe could be used in future investigations, even if no such investigation has been launched."

21:04:51 trinque: presumably any piece of information can be used in any imaginary investigation of the future

21:05:35 trinque: so we go from the 5th amendment directly to "you must investigate yourself on behalf of the all powerful state"

21:06:32 ascii_field: the one law that nobody ever cancelled is 'not caught, not thief'

21:06:46 ascii_field: poor schmuck failed to destroy the evidence of destroying the evidence..

21:07:09 hdbuck: question why would usg need our browzer history via our computer since they already have it all via google

21:07:17 trinque: coke machine indeed.

21:07:18 ascii_field: see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770468

21:07:18 assbot: Logged on 26-07-2014 18:48:15; asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.

21:08:30 hdbuck: hello btw

21:08:50 trinque: hdbuck: good afternoon

21:09:00 trinque: pete_dushenski: and to you as well

21:09:27 pete_dushenski: howdy!

21:09:43 trinque: ascii_field: it is abundantly clear to anyone thinking that this is a runaway bureaucratic process with no clear intentions/goals/etc, just *must feed*

21:10:07 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: i'm migrating my blog to wordpress

21:10:08 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes and how is the lovely lady v these days ? staying active i trust ?

21:10:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:10:09 thestringpuller: i hate it

21:10:24 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller worse than tmmlr ?

21:10:30 ascii_field: trinque: it is in the initial stage, of cementing the precedent, via jailing an already unpopular fella

21:10:40 trinque: which is why today's cock-tease of a market slump does me no good. come on baby, lets have the full rip

21:10:46 thestringpuller: no better than tumblr. i just don't like making themes

21:12:00 thestringpuller: i also bought thestringpuller.com

21:12:15 thestringpuller: so as soon as I figure out the wp thing, i'll have a dedicated blog

21:12:51 pete_dushenski: beauty

21:13:08 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller who are you hosting with ?

21:17:08 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: AWS

21:17:24 thestringpuller: courtesy of jurov lol

21:17:34 thestringpuller: well i'm paying him but still. credit where credit due.

21:18:16 hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246779 << belatedly: yes

21:18:16 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 03:25:47; asciilifeform: iirc hanbot also had the out-of-order thing with genesis

21:19:38 ascii_field: hanbot: see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245518 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246540 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247434

21:19:38 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 16:56:49; ascii_field: and is our latest discovery that 'diff' is UNFATHOMABLY retarded ?!

21:19:38 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:22:45; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this on for size:

21:19:38 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 20:57:40; ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: here is an experiment: change ' print $0 " " o ' in vdiff.sh to ' print $1 " " $2 " " o '. this results in timestamp amputation. the patches work fine, except that gnupatch is no longer aware of preexisting files and will happily create the same file twice, if so run, glomming on top of itself.

21:26:30 ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: for extra lulz, here is a vdiff of the change, taken using the new vdiff, of vdiff.sh ! >>>>> http://dpaste.com/10CMS6H

21:26:32 assbot: dpaste: 10CMS6H ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqAcEV )

21:28:45 mod6: !up ascii_field

21:36:02 mod6: I can say that your change to vdiff.sh `diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }'` certainly removes the timestamps from the output hashes.

21:36:08 mod6: err, output diff

21:36:38 ascii_field: now, fire the diff

21:36:51 ascii_field: should work as before.

21:36:56 ascii_field: just be sure not to do it twice.

21:37:19 mod6: and try this without LC_ALL=C ?

21:37:23 ascii_field: with!!

21:37:27 ascii_field: or you'll get ubuntud

21:38:18 mod6: yup, ok. and when I have my own genesis.vdiff, should compare with `diff -u` to the one you posted in your original email? or compare with vdiff?

21:38:26 ascii_field: vdiff

21:38:29 mod6: ok

21:38:38 ascii_field: ~and~ original

21:38:49 ascii_field: (which won't match because it has timestamps, but ~order~ will match)

21:42:58 mod6: yup: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/mod6.genesis-cmp-20150821.txt

21:42:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqBP5z )

21:44:01 ascii_field: aha.

21:44:10 ascii_field: now make an empty space and fire the diff

21:44:12 mircea_popescu: thin priviledge is hanging out with friends, pointing out that i'd be more sensible to not give citizenship to children of fat people than to children of illegal immingrants, and not offending anyone.

21:44:20 ascii_field: then compare result with 'chicken'

21:45:42 mod6: err, so, use my newly created genesis.vdiff, apply to pulled original v0.5.3 ?

21:45:55 ascii_field: nononon

21:45:57 ascii_field: to EMPTY dir

21:46:03 ascii_field: genesis pulls 'chicken' out of ~air~

21:46:51 mircea_popescu: mod6 the entire idea is it creates it de novo

21:47:14 ascii_field: ^

21:47:22 mod6: ah!

21:47:23 *: ascii_field thought this was obvious from the recipe!

21:47:36 mod6: im dumb

21:47:38 mircea_popescu: stop thinking stuff is obvious!

21:48:22 mircea_popescu: obvious is an offensive term and it triggers people!

21:48:41 mod6: haha.

21:48:42 pete_dushenski: really, if this wasn't obvious to mod6, ppl like hanbot and i have no chance

21:48:45 mod6: it worked ascii_field

21:48:51 ascii_field: congrats mod6 !

21:49:05 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: do try the new recipe

21:49:06 mod6: thanks :]

21:49:24 mod6: just ran the `patch -p1 < genesis.vpatch` in an empty dir, and then volla, bitcoin source exists

21:49:32 ascii_field: ^ as it should.

21:49:40 pete_dushenski: ascii_field as it happens, i've been doing just that.

21:49:40 mircea_popescu: i kept meaning to do a statement explaining the major importance of that thing but i didn't really find my words with the deed.

21:49:47 mircea_popescu: ima try to a signing statement once i put it to the ml

21:50:23 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, who wants to hold my retarded hand while i do that again ? i forget, what do i do, send an email with the plaintext as body and the detached sigfile as attachment ?

21:50:59 jurov: you mean to btc-dev?

21:51:00 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: to use jurov's thing, you need 3 things: a clearsigned readme (1st attachment)

21:51:16 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the actual patch (optional, if the message concerns a patch) - 2nd attach

21:51:28 mod6: <+pete_dushenski> really, if this wasn't obvious to mod6, ppl like hanbot and i have no chance << this probably should have been obvious to me. but sometimes, hard to see the forest through all of the trees. i've been looking at the compare diff a lot lately, and forgot that /all/ is contained in the genesis.diff.

21:51:29 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: third, if the second exists - a detached .sig for it

21:51:48 mod6: *genesis.vdiff

21:51:57 pete_dushenski: mod6 aha. so there's hope for us yet !

21:52:07 mod6: ofc!

21:52:23 pete_dushenski: :D

21:52:26 mod6: *genesis.vpatch

21:52:31 mod6: wth is wrong with me this afternoon.

21:53:17 mircea_popescu: thanks.

21:53:22 mod6: hanbot is testing out my i686 changes for buildroot/rotor.sh - even got a script for it. so that's p-cool.

21:53:28 mircea_popescu: and the actual email body - empty ?

21:53:30 jurov: mircea_popescu: only clearsigned text is mandatory, there can be none or any number of further attachments(not necessarily only patches), each with detached attachment.name.ext.sig

21:54:03 mircea_popescu: jurov cool, ima try this and bitch more if i can find a way to.

21:54:04 jurov: if your email client is known not to mutilate text, put clearsigned text into the body instead of first attachemnt

21:54:06 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the importance of the thing i intended, roughly, is that ~everything is either a vdiff or a sig~

21:54:14 ascii_field: in 'v'

21:54:14 jurov: otherwise, left body empty

21:54:50 danielpbarron: i noticed today that you don't need to rename the files in order for them to verify; you can sha1sum and gpg --verify the downloaded attachments as they come, and go straight to extracting the tar afterwards

21:55:13 ascii_field: both vdiffs and sigs (the former by virtue of having one or more of the latter matching) are immediately attributable to an l1 pubkey

21:55:49 ascii_field: and, for the first time ever in history of versionatrons, you can take a tree of unknown constitution and determine what patch set it corresponds to (if any)

21:55:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally, i'd like to remind the esteemed readership, especially those people who would like to make their non-stem degrees useful to the future of this world, that http://fraudsters.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ is still open. a significant amout of work has already been put in, help me reward it by completing the task.

21:55:51 assbot: So who's running the Courts circus ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqCG6a )

21:56:32 punkman: ascii_field: why L1? doesn't ml use L2?

21:57:01 ascii_field: punkman: perhaps it does? but iirc the only contributors thus far live in l1

21:57:20 jurov: yes it uses l2

21:57:24 mircea_popescu: iirc it accepts l2 but no one but l1 used it yet

21:57:24 ascii_field: ah

21:57:32 punkman: phf is L2

21:57:35 danielpbarron: PinkPosixPXE would be the exception to that l1 only theory

21:57:41 mircea_popescu: aok

21:58:54 *: ascii_field notices that he has been using 'vdiff' and 'vpatch' interchangeably. this is not really an error.

21:59:08 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:00:06 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236853 << did nobody mention Rocko's Modern Life in this thread? That was one of my favorites growing up

22:00:06 assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 05:04:30; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm taking notes here on cartoonz for kidz, so keep 'em comin.

22:00:27 pete_dushenski: haha mine too!

22:00:40 *: pete_dushenski hums the theme song to himself

22:01:13 danielpbarron: and I "wasn't allowed" to watch ren and stimpy (had to sneak it)

22:02:20 ascii_field: btw here's another thing to add to the 'gpg is mega-retarded' list: gpg sig does not contain a sig of self !!

22:02:35 ascii_field: so it is quite impossible to verify that it is valid per se, without having the payload

22:02:52 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron the only show i wasn't allowed to watch was wwf wrestling

22:03:12 pete_dushenski: lest i try to piledrive my younger brother into the concrete sidewalk or something

22:03:18 ascii_field: (i could explain why one may wish to do this, but will leave it as an exercise)

22:03:47 trinque: danielpbarron: heh me too re: ren & stimpy

22:04:34 trinque: ascii_field: maybe in the case where the payload was munged in regards to whitespace or the like ?

22:04:36 jurov: sailor moon

22:04:41 jurov: jkjk

22:04:58 ascii_field: trinque: sometimes one wishes to eat the sig prior to the payload

22:05:08 ascii_field: say, a public www where these can be dropped in a hopper

22:05:14 punkman: ascii_field: well you can sign the detached sig if you please

22:05:16 trinque: ah yep.

22:05:20 ascii_field: 'take any sig and then see' creates a ddos vector

22:05:37 ascii_field: punkman: whereas 'sign the sig' again means that you can't take a single file at a time.

22:05:38 trinque: I mean were www sane it would work precisely that way

22:05:38 jurov: yes, if petabyte payload

22:05:44 ascii_field: or this

22:05:45 trinque: sig comes over as part of header, then body

22:05:52 ascii_field: header ?!!#$$

22:05:52 punkman: ascii_field: wrong

22:06:02 punkman: --armor --sign

22:06:28 ascii_field: punkman: didja miss all the 'clearsigning is retardedly broken' threads ?

22:06:34 trinque: ascii_field: yeah, why not? you send me a GET, I first tell ya how many bytes to expect, then signature, then body?

22:06:36 punkman: not clearsign, --sign

22:08:28 jurov: punkman and how does that help with verifying the sig as soon as posible?

22:08:42 punkman: you --sign --armor the detached sig :P

22:09:11 trinque: what I mean by header is perhaps no more than: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

22:09:29 trinque: just put the sig immediately following

22:09:53 trinque: with maybe the hash used and byte length preceding, actually

22:10:03 ascii_field: what if i don't want to hear so much as one byte if sig isn't from l1 ?

22:10:08 ascii_field: (beyond the sig)

22:10:16 trinque: you must at least know what hash to try, yeah?

22:10:26 trinque: and then yes, perhaps the sig validates that information

22:10:29 trinque: makes total sense

22:10:42 trinque: I mean in the case of the hash, implicitly so

22:11:04 trinque: or barring that seems like one must simply be chosen and that's that

22:12:14 ascii_field: thing is, read rfc2440

22:12:20 ascii_field: pgp sig doesn't carry the whole hash.

22:12:38 ascii_field: only the lowest order 16 bits of it.

22:12:50 ascii_field: (for fast rejection of entirely off sig)

22:13:02 ascii_field: who the FUCK thought that this was sane.

22:13:27 punkman: demo: this contains a signed detached sig for asciilifeform's genesis.vpatch: http://dpaste.com/18YW8WF

22:13:28 assbot: dpaste: 18YW8WF ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqDQhY )

22:13:28 trinque: "Good" "Enough" (TM)

22:13:30 ascii_field: i mean, i can maybe see a case where this is strategically necessary

22:13:33 ascii_field: but as sop ?

22:14:02 trinque: I think it's becoming clear that as mentioned already, none of this shit was ever used in battle.

22:14:20 trinque: not even lowly diff

22:14:56 ascii_field: everybody with a unix box lives & dies by 'diff'

22:15:01 ascii_field: (even if he doesn't know it)

22:15:15 trinque: https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3522/3239361178_66b92e397b_b.jpg << I suppose a battlefield given some artistic license, but..

22:15:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqDYhr )

22:19:51 trinque: who will lose his job (or life) if diff fails to work?

22:20:58 jurov: dunno if it's right question

22:21:03 trinque: jurov: what would be?

22:21:16 trinque: I don't see anyone on earth who owns diff

22:21:20 jurov: i can imagine someone fearing their job if diff isn't locale-aware

22:21:47 trinque: I was about to discuss that aspect; it's not that no one cares about diff; it's that everyone has conflicting reasons for caring

22:21:52 ascii_field: trinque: can't build so much as a kernel w/out 'diff'

22:21:55 trinque: and nothing focuses them coherently

22:22:09 trinque: so every single piece of open source is compromized to the degree it was ever used at all

22:22:16 trinque: *compromised

22:23:28 mircea_popescu: jurov subject ? leave empty ?

22:23:43 ascii_field: it needs a subject, if only for reference

22:23:53 jurov: it is shown in archives, so yes

22:26:55 mircea_popescu: ok, sent it. do i wait for it to show ?

22:27:04 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000151.html << worx

22:27:05 assbot: [BTC-dev] V-genesis signed, with comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0DysO )

22:27:15 phf: amusingly i tried looking for plan9's diff for some insight. they use a ported gnu version.

22:27:16 ascii_field: (these really oughta be scoopbotted)

22:27:20 mircea_popescu: win

22:27:49 mircea_popescu: it's really painless, once one's clear on the process.

22:27:52 *: ascii_field glad that mircea_popescu liked the concept, but noticed that he signed the old patch

22:27:58 ascii_field: the one with timestamps

22:28:16 mircea_popescu: mhh

22:28:19 ascii_field: we'll need to do this again. starting with me, optionally

22:28:22 ascii_field: can be any of you

22:28:30 ascii_field: just re-create the genesis by the new recipe

22:28:31 ascii_field: and sign

22:28:36 ascii_field: no reason to wait for me

22:29:14 mircea_popescu: yeah, mod you have teh honor.

22:29:16 mircea_popescu: mod6 *

22:29:39 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:29:42 ascii_field: 'For the first time in the century or so of history of this particular human endeavour, text was deliberately structured with due consideration given not only to its meaning, but also to its source, and to its context. Prior attempts at structuring software, at first consisting of a naive approach focused on meaning only, over time added a half-hearted consideration of context, very unequally and rather haphazardly. The

22:29:42 ascii_field: change the V-genesis introduced is exactly like the move from understanding and controlling movement in terms of mass and somewhat velocity, such as it occurs in the mind of a monkey throwing rocks, to understanding and controlling movement in terms of mass, impulse and energy, such as it occurs in the launching of satellites. The proposition that there is still room for improvement in the endless march of human thought,

22:29:42 ascii_field: on this topic as on any other, is absolutely indubitable. The proposition that the sum total of what came before can be compared with this particular advance is strictly ridiculous.' << mega-summary, quoted here for logz readers

22:32:47 punkman: genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch << eh

22:33:18 mircea_popescu: hmmm

22:33:20 mircea_popescu: more mangling ?!

22:33:36 mircea_popescu: the files i sent over definitely only had it once.

22:35:47 ascii_field: ;;later tell jurov can we PLEASE dispense with the mutilated filenames ?!

22:35:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:35:51 mircea_popescu: ps, i'm cracking a champagne bottle.

22:35:53 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> yeah, mod you have teh honor. << thanks. I've confirmed that what I get from genesis.vpatch out of thin air is the same manifest as `bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest`.

22:36:01 jurov: :/ yes i'm on it

22:36:03 mod6: This make sense?

22:36:13 ascii_field: congrats mod6

22:36:20 pete_dushenski: hearn spills guts : "i would actually like to see less consensus in bitcoin development and more authoritarianism"

22:36:21 mircea_popescu: yes it is what'd be expected mod6

22:36:21 ascii_field: now post the output, sign

22:36:26 pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/RIafZXRDH7w?t=10m30s << reference

22:36:27 assbot: CoinScrum: QA with Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqF4tF )

22:36:32 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski he's more then welcome to read the logs.

22:36:37 mod6: Alright, lemme fireup the ole gpg-o-matic.

22:36:59 ascii_field: mod6: from here on, everyone who carries out a vdiff on the same inputs shall get the same output.

22:37:02 mircea_popescu: if what he truly means is he wants to SEE it.

22:37:12 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu heh. he probably does when he can't sleep at night

22:37:20 ascii_field: unless we discover yet another 'locale'-like idiocy, in which case it will go on my chopping block

22:39:26 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247569 <<< same deal here and same deal with astroboy, had to sneak that one yet tmnt was ok for some reason

22:39:26 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 22:01:13; danielpbarron: and I "wasn't allowed" to watch ren and stimpy (had to sneak it)

22:41:14 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/21/blackout/

22:41:16 assbot: Blackout | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqFksx )

22:41:34 cazalla: cop a flogging for having x-men trading cards but smashing windows in construction sites got a pass, i swear my old man liked to keep us walking around on egg shells

22:41:38 pete_dushenski: automated scooping, what's that ?

22:45:42 *: ascii_field bbl

23:04:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247400 < yeah well, the us altogether was to some degree still cool in early 2000s.

23:04:57 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 18:46:15; phf: i use to like vice do's&don't's, they were mean and funny. i always thought vice was magazine version of the whole terry richardson, merlin bronques "glam trash" photography, but that was still cool in 2004-2006. i guess it would make sense that they would be faux edgy tech articles, no better or worse then any other online rag, but i can't get over the image of hipsters on heroin writing that shit

23:05:06 mircea_popescu: water under the bridge by now

23:05:21 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000152.html << here we go!

23:05:22 assbot: [BTC-dev] V-genesis signed, with comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqGvYY )

23:05:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247407 << worx.

23:05:53 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 19:01:28; trinque: and I think I'll continue to just make all the decisions rather than offer options, and then describe how one might proceed from there on their own, if they so desire

23:06:12 mircea_popescu: To deploy this vpatch file

23:06:12 mircea_popescu: from ~thin air~ do the following:

23:06:12 mircea_popescu: patch -p1 < genesis.vpatch

23:06:23 mircea_popescu: that sounds so great in its laaconism.

23:08:18 mircea_popescu: "A Wisconsin court today entered not guilty pleas on behalf of the two teen defendants in the "Slender Man" stabbing case after their lawyers declined to do so."

23:08:23 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this bullshit.

23:08:35 mircea_popescu: since when the fuck do defense lawyers have agency in court.

23:08:39 mircea_popescu: did the schmucks get disbarred ?

23:09:27 mircea_popescu: oh never mind, my bad. they held silence in protest over jurisdiction.

23:09:30 mircea_popescu: i take it back.

23:09:56 mircea_popescu: fucking abcnews. the defense didn't "decline to do so". the defense DECLINED TO RECOGNISE THE COURT!

23:11:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247431 << derp can save the gas money. S.MG is never collecting any tax for anyone, including teh republic.

23:11:44 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 20:57:09; cazalla: "We are going to have taxation officials travel around the world visiting these companies asking them to register for GST purposes," federal Treasurer Joe Hockey said.

23:14:42 mats: asciilifeform: neat

23:20:51 mircea_popescu: lol buttcoin engaging danielpbarron over gpg etc was pretty lulzy to read.

23:21:00 mircea_popescu: "Welcome, kiddo, to how the real world works. You go ahead and place your crazy protest bids way off in the bottom of the sociological order book and scream that someday, SOMEDAY, the market will come down to meet you, and you will be vindicated.

23:21:00 mircea_popescu: The rest of us who actually make shit happen in the front lines of consensus back on planet earth will continue to be unaffected by your efforts apart from their modest value as chuckle fuel over beers and sushi."

23:21:06 mircea_popescu: apparently someone drinks beer with sushi.

23:21:56 punkman: what's wrong with that

23:22:02 mircea_popescu: ...

23:22:11 mircea_popescu: what's next, coffee and blue cheese ?

23:22:56 mircea_popescu: toothpaste and lobster, why not, i would like some veal in sauce chantilly and a dollop of cream on my cigar.

23:23:58 mats: brutal week for fiat markets

23:24:10 mats: DJIA down ~500 points

23:25:19 mats: http://www.wsj.com/articles/no-end-in-sight-for-oil-glut-1440113703

23:25:20 assbot: No End in Sight for Oil Glut - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmWEui )

23:25:54 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQi2vLlporA

23:25:55 assbot: Louis de Funès - Les grandes vacances (1967) - English taste - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmWFhJ )

23:26:16 mircea_popescu: mats obama's only actual initiative. fucked in the ass.

23:31:00 mircea_popescu: (ps "c'est etonnant" is no good, in french. "delicious" is worse.)

23:37:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247577 << because of the gay danger ?

23:37:11 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 22:04:36; jurov: sailor moon

23:37:42 jurov: phew

23:37:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247592 << it must be made to work.

23:37:54 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 22:06:28; ascii_field: punkman: didja miss all the 'clearsigning is retardedly broken' threads ?

23:38:12 jurov: mostly cuz it was on rtl2 when we had tv allowed

23:38:28 mircea_popescu: so ?

23:38:31 mircea_popescu: oh, pronz ?

23:38:34 jurov: and least derpy of them

23:39:27 punkman: clearsigning mostly works. the problem is everything else the clearsigned message will pass through.

23:39:46 mircea_popescu: myea

23:43:59 punkman: the worst thing off the top of my head is the lack of a full fingerprint in signed message

23:44:52 mircea_popescu: ^

23:45:29 mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/3c1pry/all_of_the_nopes_there_is_no_such_thing_as_the/ dude i;m all over fucking reddit already.

23:45:30 assbot: All of the Nopes: "There is no such thing as the crime of 'rape'" and that's arguably not the worst part : againstmensrights ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXd7o )

23:45:40 mircea_popescu: and they all stick on the same thing, too.

23:46:03 mircea_popescu: dear reddit : have more sex. seriously, it halps.

23:47:42 punkman: also, if have some automated system that works with gpg messages and you aren't running one of the latest 1.* version, messages can be crafted that will DoS/hang your system

23:49:02 punkman: inb4 mp's custom gpg for mpex?

23:51:29 mircea_popescu: heh.

23:51:42 mircea_popescu: gpg as-is is at best a duct tape solution.

23:52:44 punkman: I'd say shitshow

23:53:17 mircea_popescu: or that.

23:53:57 punkman: "oh yeah let's be compatible to PGP 4, because that matters"

23:55:07 punkman: http://multicoin.co/scm/

23:55:08 assbot: Index of /scm ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXtTM )

23:55:46 punkman: http://multicoin.co/scm/configs/mail.toml

23:55:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXuHs )

23:56:02 punkman: poor ahmed

23:56:03 asciilifeform: l0l!!!

23:56:55 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000152.html << congrats mod6 on signing the ~correct~ genesis

23:56:56 assbot: [BTC-dev] V-genesis signed, with comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqGvYY )

23:56:56 mircea_popescu: heh

23:57:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247726 << it's concept-broken, not implementation-broken

23:57:30 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 23:37:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247592 << it must be made to work.

23:57:31 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/577fe863827da014163fd6511b94adaa/tumblr_nqdekbl9Cn1rzdkezo1_1280.jpg

23:57:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXyqy )

23:57:44 punkman: http://multicoin.co/scm/configs/others.toml

23:57:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXyH4 )

23:57:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the concept of me being able to read the singed thing with my eyes is not broken.

23:57:57 mircea_popescu: or else computing's a pointless activity.

23:58:01 asciilifeform: can read detach-signed document.

23:58:21 *: mircea_popescu is still working through this mental mire.

23:58:51 mircea_popescu: im noit yet persuaded that's good enough.

23:59:27 asciilifeform: the only way to sign without imposing structure on the matter signed, is detach.