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00:02:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00075038 = 21.686 BTC [+] {2}

00:16:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00074616 = 6.3797 BTC [-] {2}

00:44:33 mircea_popescu: jurov lol dimensions

00:46:11 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/#comment-107974 << guess who answered.

00:46:12 assbot: So the Dollar Vigilante scam ring is going to jail. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:22:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.145 = 0.87 BTC [-] {2}

01:24:35 mircea_popescu: ;;calc (5/3)**10

01:24:35 gribble: 165.381716879

01:46:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c hey, you never made a banner for the analysis page ?

01:47:03 mike_c: i made one yesterday. it sucked, so i need to make another one.

01:50:21 mircea_popescu: aok

02:39:12 mike_c: send complaints to btcalpha design department. they deserve it. http://i.imgur.com/SIOI7Wx.png

02:41:00 mircea_popescu: ahahahah

02:41:05 mircea_popescu: it's so dumb it's cute

02:41:14 mike_c: campy

02:41:22 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^ for a month ?

02:41:31 *: asciilifeform finally washed off the aluminum swarf and black oil.

02:42:02 mircea_popescu: mike_c http://www.27bslash6.com/brochure.html

02:42:03 assbot: "Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D. You probably don't even know how to do them."

02:43:25 mike_c: " If for some reason I do decide to use any of the existing graphic components, a quick search on Google for 'clipart of man holding clipboard' and 'blue wiggly line for no apparent reason' should suffice." lol

02:44:52 mircea_popescu: !up olil3olli3

02:46:48 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu mike_c its on.

02:47:24 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu well it does have that stock market growth resembling line.

02:47:35 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/8YlfMv6

02:47:35 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

02:47:40 mike_c: and a happy androgenous person!

02:48:13 mike_c: ascii: i now have your fingerprints on file and can hack ur iphone

02:48:22 asciilifeform: certainly.

02:48:26 asciilifeform: so does the dustman.

02:49:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's iphone does things with the milkman ?!

02:49:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform da heck is that ?

02:49:43 asciilifeform: a small aluminum turd.

02:50:09 mircea_popescu: that i can see. but hwa'ts it to do ?

02:50:11 mike_c: thx kakobrekla

02:50:27 kakobrekla: ty.

02:50:53 mircea_popescu: thank you!

02:51:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not entirely complete mount bracket for this: http://imgur.com/Cd4Kghs

02:51:05 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

02:51:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 55 @ 0.13808827 = 7.5949 BTC [-] {9}

02:51:46 mircea_popescu: aha!

02:52:03 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is invited to laugh at my n00b m4ch1n1ng

02:52:14 asciilifeform: (along with any other genuine machinist around)

02:52:27 mircea_popescu: dude wtf tolerances are those, 10% resistence 20% inductance

02:52:38 mircea_popescu: how do they make this thing, in a hammer mill ?

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02:53:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the actual impedance of a stepper almost never matters

02:53:34 mircea_popescu: no but as a general point

02:53:52 asciilifeform: stepper is an item that normally either works (turns D degrees per electric cycle) or does not (skips beat, because overloaded, underpowered, etc)

02:54:36 asciilifeform: they are typically powered by a constant-current circuit, so even the rated voltage is not a critical value.

02:55:33 asciilifeform: the critical values are: dimensional. (marked on linked picture.)

02:57:01 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you refrain from mocking me, humans can learn, etc etc etc

02:57:28 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: picked on you given as you're the only actual machinist i'm even distantly familiar with

02:57:48 ben_vulpes: kinda funny that your fingerprint's in focus but the millmarks not though

02:58:00 *: asciilifeform is also not a photographer

02:58:02 ben_vulpes: might want to break those edges

02:58:02 asciilifeform: mega-surprise

02:58:12 asciilifeform: yeah it's razor-sharp

02:58:43 asciilifeform: went at it with a fly-cutter first, but nearly destroyed both work and tool

02:58:55 asciilifeform: finished off with normal endmill.

02:59:10 asciilifeform: still screwing around trying to make the machine run true.

03:01:16 ben_vulpes: thing about machining and code is that a pro is always going to tell you a number of ways to make it look better without materially improving the thing

03:01:54 asciilifeform: less of a 'look better' concern, and more of a 'orthogonal planes actually need to be orthogonal damn it all to hell' concern.

03:02:24 ben_vulpes: to within what tolerance, though?

03:03:24 asciilifeform: to fingers-and-eyes-aren't-screaming-you're-a-tard-to-all-comers tolerance...

03:03:47 ben_vulpes: not really an engineering criteria, that.

03:04:17 asciilifeform: to +/- 0.1 mm.

03:04:55 ben_vulpes: measuring orthogonality in mm?

03:05:01 asciilifeform: lol

03:05:26 asciilifeform: shape was meant to be a square cross section.

03:05:33 asciilifeform: so, equality of sides to 0.1mm.

03:05:59 asciilifeform: and ideally, 90 degree angles, to 1 degree or less.

03:07:13 ben_vulpes: i'm guessing that only two sides really need to be orthogonal

03:07:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32844 @ 0.00074673 = 24.5256 BTC [+]

03:08:22 ben_vulpes: the face to which the thing bolts, and the face which bolts to the other thing

03:08:24 ben_vulpes: but i really have no idea.

03:10:08 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes guessed it.

03:11:39 ben_vulpes: in that situation you mill one face flat on top of your spacers or whatever they're called (i've forgotten), mill the opposite face parallel, clamp in a vise and then mill the remaining important face perpendicular to either of the two previous

03:12:47 ben_vulpes: well, a face, and then rotate 180 setting the piece down on the spacers again before clamping to get the machine to define your planes of perpendicularity.

03:12:59 ben_vulpes: not really articulating clearly, as i've been fabricating all day as well.

03:13:09 ben_vulpes: but i, spice racks, and with hand tools as this hovel has no machine shop.

03:14:42 cazalla: brock pierce on the keiser report http://youtu.be/MXJk2ZodaNw?t=12m42s

03:14:43 assbot: Keiser Report: Fear mongering from Scottish No voters (E656) - YouTube

03:24:19 decimation: yeah turns out the 'advanced' battery pack is just a pile of standard lithium batteries wired in strings

03:24:32 decimation: I'm not sure if the guy did a schematic, would be helpful

04:19:12 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/YfwR6Q5

04:19:12 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

04:19:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42144 @ 0.00074938 = 31.5819 BTC [+] {2}

04:19:47 ben_vulpes: would never pass muster in any of the design or fabrication classes that i've taken, but i'll be surprised if it doesn't move from shack to shack for at least half a decade.

04:23:24 ben_vulpes: mind you i had no hand in the actual design or most of the fab outside of the cutting of pieces to dimension (and the insisting upon of dimensioned pieces for cutting)

04:26:43 decimation: lol https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/reform-white-house-access-and-grant-comprehensive-executive-amnesty-residency-migrant-omar-j/q8xjkLqj "We urge President Obama to immediately and publicly recognize that Mr. Omar J. Gonzalez, an oppressed migrant, was merely looking for a better life when he entered the White House after going over the classist, divisive and needless fence."

04:26:44 assbot: reform White House access and grant Comprehensive Executive Amnesty & residency to migrant Omar J. Gonzalez & his family | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

04:45:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00074623 = 42.4605 BTC [-] {4}

04:46:50 mats_cd03: was perusing logs, found this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294218.msg3153366 much amusement

04:46:50 assbot: Help bring peace with your money

04:48:53 mats_cd03: re: sr gonzalez - imagine if he had a special vest on, rather than a knife.

04:49:40 mats_cd03: would he have caught a bullet, or successfully delivered head to obama post-explosion?

04:49:50 mats_cd03: i wonder what secret service sop is.

04:52:35 mats_cd03: for those that don't know -- suicide vests tend to make head pop off, mostly intact, and land in the vicinity of explosion.

04:59:14 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> measuring orthogonality in mm? <<

04:59:19 mircea_popescu: lol the many things asciilifeform is not

04:59:48 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: a 'sherline' is almost a hand-tool.

05:00:46 mircea_popescu: <decimation> yeah turns out the 'advanced' battery pack is just a pile of standard lithium batteries wired in strings << i have no idea what's so advanced about it, basically the whole car is powered offa one of those 4.5 volt things discussed here previously

05:01:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and the algorithm you described is precisely what i did. only gotcha is - the machine at present isn't running true.

05:01:18 mircea_popescu: but im curious wtf happens if one of the cells goes to shit and starts heating. turn off whole battery ?

05:01:57 xmj: moin

05:02:03 asciilifeform: how do you 'turn off' an internal short?

05:02:20 mircea_popescu: wire around the cell in question

05:02:30 mircea_popescu: ie, cut it off, let the rest work

05:02:35 asciilifeform: well it has those.

05:02:40 mircea_popescu: does it ?

05:02:50 mircea_popescu: from what i gather the controler is watch only

05:02:52 asciilifeform: mentioned in the captions.

05:03:00 mircea_popescu: charges/discharges all elements simultaneously

05:03:15 mircea_popescu: it has FUSES. but that's for electricity not heat.

05:04:01 asciilifeform: presumably the cells are meant to be spaced in such a way that one, if internal short, does not ignite neighbour.

05:04:13 asciilifeform: whether this was achieved, i cannot say from the picture

05:04:20 *: asciilifeform does not own this battery, has not watched it die

05:04:46 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19934463/fpart/all/vc/1 have some more

05:04:47 assbot: I am god - The Pub - Shroomery Message Board

05:05:38 asciilifeform: mats_cd03: delivered head << when i first learned the fact about heads, my thought was that there ought to be a 'head cannon' weapon

05:06:05 asciilifeform: explosive collar which launches user's head (wearing a 'pickelhaube' of course) at the enemy.

05:06:47 asciilifeform: fuses << if internal short in cell, fuse will blow (current flows in from neighbours)

05:07:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose the cell merely overheats.

05:07:32 asciilifeform: overheat and internal short typically go together.

05:07:44 asciilifeform: in the 'heart/liver' way.

05:08:02 mats_cd03: heh

05:08:03 mircea_popescu: engineering is engineering.

05:08:15 ben_vulpes: musk made some interesting claims about battery safety behavior in the presence of overheating during the Boeing fire saga.

05:08:25 mircea_popescu: quite.

05:08:34 mircea_popescu: none of them went "whatever, there's a fuse and glty"

05:08:41 ben_vulpes: overheating doesn't cascade in the T batts, but who knows if the thing stays online.

05:09:19 asciilifeform: the sheer amount of stereotypical 'fud' about this poor car - is atounding.

05:09:41 ben_vulpes: can't get a signal anywhere but b-a

05:09:43 asciilifeform: quite like the cigarette firms trying to have the electric aerosol smoking machines banned in usa.

05:09:51 asciilifeform: 'not proven safe111!11'

05:09:55 mircea_popescu: im not trying to get it banned!

05:10:14 asciilifeform: a number of traditional car firms - apparently are.

05:10:18 asciilifeform: why - no idea.

05:10:37 asciilifeform: aside from the grudgewank involving dealerships

05:10:43 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: only the ones who've not bought their own vaporiser company.

05:11:05 asciilifeform: (in usa, it is traditionally forbidden for car manufacturer to run dealerships, and tesla corp. is lobbying to have this repealed. dealers - not pleased.)

05:11:07 ben_vulpes: and didn't we already do the aerosol/vaporizing thing?

05:11:20 ben_vulpes: is it forbidden or just not practiced?

05:11:27 ben_vulpes: i was under the impression that it was the latter.

05:11:32 asciilifeform: in many states, formally banned

05:11:54 ben_vulpes: goodnes

05:12:06 ben_vulpes: apropos only of retarded usian laws, i'm looking into employee-ing up.

05:12:18 ben_vulpes: turns out, i'm liable for unemployment benefits if i fire someone for doing a poor job.

05:12:30 ben_vulpes: at will my arse.

05:12:43 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: surely you meant - 'down' ?

05:12:44 mircea_popescu: hehe

05:12:50 asciilifeform: to go below whatever threshold

05:12:51 mircea_popescu: the us is a horrid place to hire.

05:13:19 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "lawyer up"

05:13:20 asciilifeform: or to be hired

05:13:21 asciilifeform: aha

05:13:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just what is it a 'good place' to do? not even - to die. (ever see what even a pauper's burial costs here?)

05:14:29 mats_cd03: join .mil, free funeral.

05:14:51 asciilifeform: mats_cd03: laugh, but this is actually one of the attractions.

05:15:04 asciilifeform: some people, for instance, sign up just to get their teeth done.

05:15:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a great place to pretend.

05:15:15 mircea_popescu: dank's ideal home is the us.

05:15:22 mats_cd03: im not laughing. i served, once, in usg war machine.

05:15:22 ben_vulpes: anyways, there's "art" and cute undercontracted ladies parading around tonight. adieu!

05:16:48 asciilifeform: mats_cd03: but didn't stay to collect free funeral, apparently

05:17:26 mircea_popescu: scam.

05:17:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anyone can pretend - even in antarctica. but if you mean, that audience will believe - sure. but what good does it do - if audience is broke.

05:18:00 mats_cd03: its only free if you are kia iirc. otherwise, its... 700usd? lol.

05:18:15 asciilifeform: 700 is serious money for a dead man.

05:18:37 mircea_popescu: holy shit ebaumsworld still exists

05:18:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that you feel the love and understanding of a bunch of similar mouthbreathers ?

05:19:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'On January 31, 2009, Bauman reported that ZVUE fired him and the rest of the staff and replaced them with a new team. Furthermore, Bauman claimed ZVUE are falsely using his name in connection with new material, making it look as if Bauman is still employed...' (pediwikia)

05:19:29 mircea_popescu: right.

05:19:32 mircea_popescu: hence my wow.

05:19:42 asciilifeform: even 'yahoo' still exists.

05:19:45 asciilifeform: hell, ibm exists.

05:19:58 asciilifeform: no one saw it fit to drive a stake through their hearts quite yet.

05:19:58 mircea_popescu: ibm actually has a nice building down here. my lawyer rents a floor from them

05:20:14 mircea_popescu: heck, brother has an outlet store here

05:20:19 mircea_popescu: i tell you it's like time trippin.

05:20:57 asciilifeform: what do they offer? system/360 ?

05:21:25 mircea_popescu: printers and bad fax machines

05:21:48 asciilifeform: aha rebranded chicom turds.

05:21:52 asciilifeform: should've known.

05:22:13 mircea_popescu: wait you meant ibm or brother ?

05:22:17 asciilifeform: ibm

05:22:30 mircea_popescu: ah, as far as i know real estate

05:22:32 asciilifeform: (does not, afaik, make printers or faxes and hasn't for ~25 yrs)

05:22:51 *: asciilifeform read 'ibm outlet'

05:23:29 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikiarquitectura.com/index.php/IBM_Building_in_Buenos_Aires

05:23:31 assbot: IBM Building in Buenos Aires - Architecture of the World - WikiArquitectura

05:23:36 mircea_popescu: that thing. looks as derpy as you'd expect

05:23:44 asciilifeform: woah.

05:24:43 asciilifeform: hut-on-chickenlegs

05:25:00 mircea_popescu: lol

05:25:06 mircea_popescu: no witch, i checked.

05:25:18 decimation: i bet they will sell you a power5 turd too

05:25:50 asciilifeform: perhaps BingoBoingo should knock and see when he's in town

05:26:40 decimation: they probably are in the business of trying to scam the ar gov't

05:30:01 mats_cd03: that looks ugly and expensive

05:30:58 *: asciilifeform can only explain ibm in argentina one way - they hope the nazis will come out of cryostasis there, and like up to buy gasenwagenkalkulators

05:31:02 asciilifeform: *line up

05:32:09 mircea_popescu: im pretty sure they're just managing real estate left over from the 80s

05:32:16 decimation: here is another ugly building in washington, dc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelsat_headquarters

05:32:16 assbot: Intelsat headquarters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

05:32:16 mircea_popescu: which they can't sell because well, argentina.

05:33:04 asciilifeform: decimation: nothing beats the fbi headquarters for pure ugly in d.c.

05:33:26 decimation: asciilifeform: heh yeah, looks like gulag

05:33:42 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/2FIpuIy,FzMqMR9,NP0uzz5,IFSX1eE,HNMQjdq,bCs3u7l,pn5XiLa,nboYysE,ZOibTdz,2LXc9IW

05:33:42 assbot: Ministry of Love - Imgur

05:33:44 asciilifeform: ^ my pics

05:33:46 decimation: I thought they were going to get rid of that

05:34:18 asciilifeform: turned out that planned new location already has a cia gulag in the cellar.

05:34:22 asciilifeform: which doesn't want to relocate.

05:35:39 asciilifeform: when you walk by the j.e.hoover bldg, overwhelming sensation that its 'lid' (upper part of photo) is closing in on you

05:35:43 asciilifeform: like gigantic press.

05:36:15 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/digger/wp/2014/07/29/list-narrows-for-future-fbi-headquarters-greenbelt-landover-or-springfield/

05:36:16 assbot: List narrows for future FBI headquarters: Greenbelt, Landover or Springfield - The Washington Post

05:36:25 asciilifeform: the moat (yes, moat) has tiles, like a public toilet. and hose spigots (wash blood away, nice)

05:37:26 decimation: all of those potential relocation sites are shitholes

05:37:45 decimation: but they got 11,000 'federal jobs' so everyone wants

05:38:20 decimation: I wonder how those fbi employees feel about being seen as meat for consumption by the local political elite

05:39:40 decimation: as I recall the fbi headquarters is a block away from the theater where lincoln was murdered

05:40:35 asciilifeform: so is chinatown, where i often go and eat 'chicken'

05:40:39 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover_Building "A list compiled by Trippy.com and Reuters declared the J. Edgar Hoover Building the world's ugliest building, and found it to be a "dreary 1970s behemoth".[60] Los Angeles Times travel writer Christopher Reynolds remarked that the Hoover building is "so ugly, local historians say, that it scared authorities into setting higher standards for pedestrian friendliness among buildings

05:40:39 assbot: J. Edgar Hoover Building - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

05:40:39 decimation: along [Pennsylvania Avenue]".[61]"

05:41:32 asciilifeform: when i walk by that thing, hard to escape the feeling that my 'ratfacecage' is waiting there, in the cellars somewhere.

05:42:31 decimation: asciilifeform: you could eat at 'chopt' like yglesias: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/12/14/cobbs_at_chopt_why_does_the_salad_chain_call_so_many_different_things_a.html

05:42:32 assbot: Cobbs at Chopt: Why does the salad chain call so many different things a "cobb"?

05:44:55 decimation: asciilifeform: did you ever show up at the dc 'maker space'?

05:45:07 asciilifeform: 'hack-dc' club ?

05:45:26 asciilifeform: went a dozen or so times, some years ago. snore.

05:45:36 decimation: yeah, I wondered if it was worthwhile

05:46:15 decimation: it seems the hype for those things outstrips the actual usefulness - usefulness defined as meeting actual people working on interesting ideas

05:46:35 asciilifeform: afaik these started out as banal 'communal workshop' arrangements

05:46:51 asciilifeform: pool money, buy costly machinery

05:48:19 asciilifeform: incidentally, the ruined church where 'hack-dc' met also hosted a 'clojure' society. after attending a few meetings and trying to actually put the system to use, i ended up writing... well, that post.

05:48:37 decimation: yeah they want $50 per month http://www.hacdc.org/membership/ << they have scanning electron microscope now apparently

05:48:39 assbot: Join | HacDC

05:49:35 asciilifeform: a carcass, it looks like.

05:49:43 asciilifeform: ' Physical components are in great condition, vacuum testing and electronics replacement is underway.'

05:50:41 decimation: lol yeah

05:50:49 decimation: could buy on ebay at that quality level

05:50:53 asciilifeform: neat balloon pic though.

05:51:08 asciilifeform: (i had no part in this, it was all long after i left)

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14:11:04 thestringpuller: !s coinvoice

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14:11:37 thestringpuller: can anyone vouch for coinvoice?

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14:15:51 Duffer1: never heard of

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14:42:09 mircea_popescu: good morning asseteers

14:43:01 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu you would get a kick out of gamersgate

14:43:02 thestringpuller: lol

14:43:16 thestringpuller: What it boils down to is many people feeling upset that the video game space has been so heavily politicized with a left-leaning, feminist-driven slant," he said.

14:43:20 thestringpuller: He could be you!

14:43:21 thestringpuller: lolol

14:43:41 mircea_popescu: maybe. who's he ?

14:43:53 thestringpuller: Erik Kain of Forbes.

14:45:00 mircea_popescu: no, he couldn't be me.

14:45:17 mircea_popescu: i could be him, if i ever deign to write for forbes, which seems unlikely unless i buy it and then it'll be Popescu

14:45:51 thestringpuller: Popescu Magazine

14:45:56 thestringpuller: That's catchy

14:46:04 thestringpuller: I'm certain you'd sue someone who steals that idea...

14:46:37 mircea_popescu: nope

14:46:43 mircea_popescu: da fuck do i care

14:47:10 thestringpuller: it's just funny to me that even "gamers" are sick of the feminist...

14:47:22 mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised they noticed and even care.

14:47:33 chetty: lmao

14:47:34 mircea_popescu: who gives a shit what a bunch of libtards say, seriously.

14:48:22 mircea_popescu: this is like junior high courtyard bs. the girls get upset that the boys ignore them so they complain. which the boys ignore, because the girls stink and are stupid and who wants to be involved with one.

14:49:25 mircea_popescu: so the girls build their girlclub to support each other through puberty and dream of one day being married.

14:50:57 chetty: well if girls got actual armor they might play more :P

14:51:04 mircea_popescu: lol

14:51:51 mircea_popescu: thoroughly debunked argument tho. http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spiderwomans_ass

14:52:13 mircea_popescu: boys buy into naked spiderman just fine.

14:53:55 *: chetty is totally sick and tired of the girls vs. boys crap

14:54:04 thestringpuller: wow I haven't read maddox in years

14:54:06 thestringpuller: 1997?

14:54:07 thestringpuller: wow

14:54:08 bounce: here, take a happy pill

14:54:47 bounce: amazing how formulaic comics are. just like hollywood.

14:54:47 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:54:54 mircea_popescu: chetty well you're not in the demographic you know ?

14:55:05 bounce: (says me, having studiously avoided both for the last couple of years, as much as possible anyway)

14:55:07 mircea_popescu: bounce now why'd that be amazing. it's supposed to be cheap and replicable.

14:55:07 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:55:13 mircea_popescu: then they bitch about how it's being replicated.

14:55:17 mircea_popescu: a particular pathology.

14:55:41 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is chetty a robot?

14:56:00 bounce: a series isn't a series without a reboot or two, apparently.

14:56:03 thestringpuller: i'm almost certain hanbot is a partial robot though you say she is human ~_~

14:56:07 mircea_popescu: what do you mean, "is chetty a robot" ?!

14:56:15 mircea_popescu: lol you're nuts.

14:56:20 mircea_popescu: and possibly a robot :D

14:56:25 *: bounce doesn't really want to know but can't help but wonder what the top reboot count is, and which series.

14:56:29 thestringpuller: people tell me that I'm crazy a lot!

14:56:32 thestringpuller: Wild card.

14:56:36 thestringpuller: and cookies

14:57:20 xmj: thestringpuller: interesting question

14:57:27 mircea_popescu: bounce well to be honest (and i've unstudiously avoided both for two decades or more), they're all the same one thing, and so the classics have been badly reimplemented by the us pulp industry many times, and they keep rebooting it

14:57:30 mircea_popescu: because it dun work.

14:57:45 xmj: thestringpuller: do the people from the other gender you attract mostly exhibit craziness?

14:57:51 mircea_popescu: but hey, why should it even work, when you got a whole reboot process.

14:58:28 thestringpuller: xmj: yessir! we're fucking radicals! like odd future

14:58:37 xmj: thestringpuller: then you're legit crazy

14:58:40 xmj: same thing here.

14:58:41 mircea_popescu: wait, you got a girlfriend ?!

14:58:48 thestringpuller: who me?

14:59:00 mircea_popescu: well either as it works out lol

14:59:04 xmj: well

14:59:11 xmj: if you mostly pull crazy women

14:59:23 xmj: you're crazy yourself. law of attraction, like attracts like, all that

14:59:31 xmj: "Opposites attract" is a lie.

14:59:43 bounce: no real reason why really. donald duck dun' need no steenkin' reboots, and has been around since what, 1934

14:59:58 bounce: http://www.shortpacked.com/2005/comic/book-1-brings-back-the-80s/01-just-a-toy-store/im-batman/

14:59:59 assbot: Shortpacked! by David Willis

14:59:59 chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty well you're not in the demographic you know ?// you mean libtards? I dun have to be in it to be sick of it

15:00:02 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea. She's a lurker for sure.

15:00:10 mircea_popescu: chetty no i mean teenagers and young adults.

15:00:40 mircea_popescu: bounce a surprisingly good objection actually!

15:01:24 mircea_popescu: http://perpelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/iberkeley-liten.jpg <<< asciilifeform dunno if that's naggum or not, but i gotta say that'd be the prototype for the romanian "fata de-mpins vagoane", ie, railcart pushing face

15:04:07 bounce: could have to do with the demographic, where teen memory is slightly longer than pre-teen memory so they (feel they) need regular reboots to capture the demographic or something. could also have to do with the writers not being on a short enough leash. dunno really.

15:04:44 *: bounce is sure there's a libarts dissertation or two in there somewhere

15:05:53 mircea_popescu: my money is on the latter really.

15:06:06 mircea_popescu: donald is one of the very few well managed franchises.

15:06:31 bounce: to the point that as soon as the mouse threatens to go out of copyright, copyright gets extended

15:06:44 bounce: but yeah

15:06:50 xmj: bounce: define reboot ?

15:06:53 mircea_popescu: at the cost of killing the whole copyright notion altogether.

15:07:02 bounce: eventually

15:07:12 mircea_popescu: people have this constant naive approach, a pipe breaks ? push your palm on it.

15:07:32 mircea_popescu: yeah dude, im sure your magical palm will relieve pressure out of a badly designed, failing apparatus.

15:07:39 mircea_popescu: it definitely won't blow somewhere else

15:07:42 mircea_popescu: magical palms!!1

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15:12:28 thestringpuller: so much money in licensing though

15:12:36 thestringpuller: why make the movie yourself when someone will pay you to make it for you

15:13:09 mircea_popescu: because they'll make it shitty.

15:13:21 thestringpuller: what if you don't care about that and just the money?

15:13:26 mircea_popescu: why fuck your own wife when someone will pay to fuck her for you, for that matter.

15:13:38 thestringpuller: there is a movie about that.

15:13:51 mircea_popescu: maybe because you don't wanna sleep in the bed where all the random bacteria off random cocks collect and pool.

15:13:52 thestringpuller: i think the end they made a business on letting his wife get fucked by millionaires but I'm fuzzy

15:14:56 thestringpuller: i understand your notion tho :P

15:16:28 mircea_popescu: "He ran in to some very serious problems that poisoned his existence for many years, and made him lose faith in humans. These problems (I won?t go into details, let sleeping dogs lie) would have agonized anyone, but most people would, in time, have come to terms with life?s injustice and cruelty." << asciilifeform what, was the guy in jail or something ?

15:16:43 mircea_popescu: tho i guess it actually sounds more like a messy divorce, with a child involved. did he have kids ?

15:18:36 TheNewDeal: ;;seen TomServo

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15:18:53 TheNewDeal: ;;ud lolita

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15:26:51 mircea_popescu: oh teh norvegian revenue service. heh. fucktards.

15:27:13 mircea_popescu: if turing is a good (and in fact the only) good reason to dismantle the statally organised repression of gayness

15:27:34 mircea_popescu: i'll readily contend that naggum is a sufficient, if by no means the only good reason to dismantle any statal revenue service.

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15:31:06 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

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15:46:01 TheNewDeal: Catching up on the logs. nubbins`, want to try your hand at a Kent State shirt ? http://www.people.com/article/urban-outfitters-kent-state-sweatshirt

15:46:01 assbot: Urban Outfitters Kent State Sweatshirt Stirs Anger : People.com

15:47:31 mircea_popescu: http://braythwayt.com/2013/11/27/herd-thither-me-hither.html < not a bad read this.

15:47:32 assbot: Herd Thither, Me Hither (revised)

15:47:45 mircea_popescu: "In those days, nobody bought Macintoshes. But strangely, our office was besieged by people wanting us to demonstrate the Macintosh and its nifty features.

15:47:45 mircea_popescu: Would these people buy a Macintosh? No. But they would take up a lot of our time asking ?What is the benefit of Mac? Why is it superior to Windows? Explain why we should I buy one for each employee.? And no matter how interested they seemed, and no matter what we said or did, they would weigh their options? and then buy a Windows computer."

15:58:53 mircea_popescu: "What they really meant was, Nobody ever got fired for buying a Windows Box."

15:58:59 mircea_popescu: fuck that. i'll fire you for being bland.

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16:00:38 mircea_popescu: this is what the idiotic us puritan obsession with propriety has gotten. this. it's a scourge upon humanity and a shameful macula of untold disgrace.

16:00:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129896583995790@naggum.no.html << naggum & the tax men

16:00:48 assbot: Re: Dead software (was: A draft business plan for free software LISP vendors) - Naggum cll archive

16:00:49 mircea_popescu: there's nothing more shameful than being a good usian.

16:01:46 *: chetty is glad you put the 'good' modifier in there

16:02:03 mircea_popescu: hey, nobody's fault they were born among imbeciles.

16:02:11 mircea_popescu: but it starts looking badly if they somehow manage to stay.

16:02:57 mircea_popescu: "They weren?t interested in finding out whether Macintosh would be useful for them: They were interested in being able to say to the world that they have an open mind and researched all the possibilities, but somehow, somehow, they finished up back where they started, using the same damn thing that everyone else is using."

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16:03:10 mircea_popescu: didja do your homework ? yessir. didja learn anything ? o, no, i wouldn't do that!

16:04:25 asciilifeform: '...the Norwegian government, which for a few years decided to tax me based on what I should have been _able_ to earn, and therefore _probably_ earned without reporting to them, so I should pay taxes on it, plus penalties for lying to them...'

16:04:29 asciilifeform: (whole thing worth reading)

16:04:52 mircea_popescu: heh.

16:07:04 mircea_popescu: "You can?t simply ask someone if they have no intention of buying a Macintosh. Everybody lies, especially to salespeople." << the funny thing in there is, people generally despise SALESMEN for being lying scumbags. but, in fact, people lie to them as an article of faith, and in sheer volume necessarily exceed anything the salesman could push out.

16:07:33 mircea_popescu: same thing with cops. people don't like the psychopatholgy of policemen, but then again the same "people" are lying and trying to beat down the cop two dozen times a day

16:07:48 mircea_popescu: not the sorts of jobs one can do and remain in possession of his wits.

16:10:26 mircea_popescu: So the easy question to ask is this: ?Are you trying to figure out whether to change? Or trying to figure out which change to make?? << good point. first category needs to hire a manager, not talk to salesmen.

16:18:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform course, that's his off the cuff interpretation of what happened.

16:19:02 asciilifeform: there's more detail in other posts, i think.

16:19:04 mircea_popescu: i have little faith the man was actually apt to follow the legal intricacies, which altogether require a different mind than one which wilfully chose lisp over say basic.

16:19:16 mircea_popescu: quite opposite, in fact, i would suspect.

16:19:50 mircea_popescu: the cleanest way to represent the legal tradition, as well as the legal implementation of that tradition in any extant sovereign of the fiat, geographical, obsolete kind,

16:19:53 asciilifeform: afaik he was actually an amateur scholar of law (in own country and elsewhere.)

16:19:57 mircea_popescu: is to think of a basic program of equal length.

16:20:03 mircea_popescu: ah.

16:20:27 mircea_popescu: well, amateur in the "this is what i think the law should be" school of amateurship, or amateur in the "trying to figure out what this thing is" school of amateurship ?

16:20:33 asciilifeform: what is.

16:20:40 mircea_popescu: well then dunno.

16:20:56 asciilifeform: here's what i recall (any other delvers in naggum archive, feel free to correct)

16:21:26 asciilifeform: at one point he figured out that, given taxation law in No, his standard of living would not much change if he cut his consulting to 2-3 months of a year.

16:21:28 asciilifeform: and so he did.

16:22:27 asciilifeform: (seems like norway has, or at least had at the time, a confiscatory tax scheme where you lose essentially 100 percent after a certain point.)

16:22:40 mircea_popescu: still has, afaik.

16:22:56 mircea_popescu: their deal is, "we have all this oil, we will spend the proceeds on welfare, in exchange we also take everyone's money"

16:23:15 chetty: if you actually figured out all your tax in us wouldnt be much diff

16:23:20 mircea_popescu: so you know, most people making a buck and getting by this scheme a buck fiddy are happy with it,

16:23:40 mircea_popescu: the politico leeches sucking that fiddy cents for nothing are trilled

16:23:42 mircea_popescu: and so...

16:24:22 asciilifeform: chetty: the us is quite the same, except that here they add insult to injury by letting the fattest kulaks escape all taxation rather easily

16:25:17 chetty: usa is a reverse robinhood

16:25:19 mircea_popescu: yeah, the us is a different system. it doesn't have mega natural wealth to prop itself, so it works as a "buffettlying to prevent the children of the middleclass pushing him out" system

16:25:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but anyway, you were saying.

16:26:01 asciilifeform: chetty: likewise, there are many unofficial collectors of 'tax' here (which is to say, not actual tax, but other unavoidable wealth extraction like rent that conveniently zaps every penny of your surplus)

16:26:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, precisely that buffett thread

16:27:19 chetty: well thats kinda what I meant about counting ALL the tax. The property 'owner' pays tax and passes it along in your 'rent' amount and so forth

16:27:28 Duffer1: police tax

16:27:34 asciilifeform: so naggum was dragged into the courts, eventually escaped with his life but not particularly much money

16:27:36 Duffer1: driving 1mph over limit that's a taxin

16:28:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and didn't forthwith set sail for argentina because ...

16:28:05 Duffer1: i got a 175$ ticket for failing to come to a complete stop before exiting a driveway once

16:28:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that part i understand.

16:28:19 asciilifeform: probably same reason i haven't.

16:28:24 xmj: Duffer1: Friday I paid a ticket for 1km/h too much.

16:28:27 *: mircea_popescu is rather naive in the ways of the world.

16:28:30 xmj: Duffer1: CHF 40,00

16:28:32 xmj: :)

16:28:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's he to do in argentina? teach the pampas cats and ocelots common lisp ?

16:29:10 mircea_popescu: dude, they didn't have the internet in the 1990s ?

16:29:30 Duffer1: lol xmj

16:29:35 mircea_popescu: i seem to remember despising *something* at that time

16:29:42 mircea_popescu: pretty sure it was the superhighway something or the other

16:30:31 kakobrekla: asciilifeform you current job/s require physical presence?

16:30:32 asciilifeform: at that time, naggum was sitting in standards groups and eventually became indirectly responsible for the atrocity of 'xml' (he authored the 'sgml' standard, its grandparent)

16:30:36 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: yes.

16:30:40 kakobrekla: aww.

16:31:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what are you, an escort ?!

16:31:25 chetty: hmm most of the standards groups at that time met on phone ...

16:31:29 mircea_popescu: ^

16:31:36 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: traditionally, even 'tele-'whatever work in usa requires at least an occasional physical visit, simply to make sure you haven't republikfluchted, apparently

16:31:47 mircea_popescu: no fucking body traveled to sit on a rfc comission unless they really wanted to visit a gf or something

16:31:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hire actors.

16:32:23 asciilifeform: lol

16:32:36 jurov: that would be advice for BingoBoingo

16:32:42 jurov: hire doppelganger, walk out

16:32:58 chetty: there was that guy recently, worked for the epa I think, claimed he was also cia and just took off for months whenever he wanted

16:33:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what the fuck are you doing working without a company anyway, and why is it not registered in gibraltar or w/e the fuck they do

16:33:09 mircea_popescu: what sort of legal amateurship is this!

16:33:23 kakobrekla: and you cant sell your skills, which we all know are plentiful, outside usa ? hard to believe.

16:33:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no because argentina consists of pampas cats

16:33:45 kakobrekla: :(

16:33:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of my jobs is indeed a company i co-own - but the only customer is usg, and the office is required to be within a few km of a particular institute.

16:33:51 mircea_popescu: and spanish is like alien, can't be learned by humans, unlike lisp and scheme

16:34:08 mircea_popescu: and what's more, the argentine govt doesn't have like 5 bn in usd cash, nor does it have a horrid starvation of talent.

16:34:23 *: asciilifeform did 6 yrs. of spanish, reads, e.g., marquez, just fine.

16:34:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so ? hire ms boring to sit in that office and split

16:35:05 asciilifeform: brb, teatime

16:35:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and what the fuck are you doing owning companies in own name anyway

16:35:18 mircea_popescu: recurse for crying out loud

16:35:58 mircea_popescu: in short : ditch this mentality where the other party matters, in any sense, and make a sport out of rubbing its hopes, aspirations and legitimate expectations into the dirt.

16:36:06 mircea_popescu: it's called business, what the fuck.

16:36:37 mircea_popescu: it's not marriage, it's not a love affair. it's an exercise in destroying everything whatsoever and mocking the rest.

16:38:53 mircea_popescu: business partners with the usg, god help us. what will fiction produce next, the harem of wolves, flying to the moon on own farts, mind boggles.

16:40:19 mircea_popescu: <jurov> hire doppelganger, walk out << incidentally, you know they did this in the times of the good soldier svjek ?

16:40:43 jurov: no?

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16:41:05 mircea_popescu: o yeah. you were simply required to not alter the headcount.

16:41:15 mircea_popescu: generally everyone produced a replacement for military service

16:41:18 mircea_popescu: and if needed, prison.

16:41:26 mircea_popescu: just as long as you had someone to serve for you, all is well.

16:42:53 mircea_popescu: "I wish people would get more interested in _knowing_ the world they want to change. I can't keep lecturing obnoxious morons forever just because they have these wild-eyed desires that they think can be accomodated if they start a revolution or something."

16:42:55 mircea_popescu: ha! epic.

16:44:32 mircea_popescu: "here's a lithmus test on "good ideas": if it were applied to you, would you still think it's a good idea? in other words: if you can't imagine yourself as the vendor, maybe it's time to drop the good idea stuff, too?"

16:44:34 mircea_popescu: booyaa

17:02:04 mircea_popescu: since we're talking security, as in, false subjective sense of, here's an excellent read on the topic :L http://braythwayt.com/homoiconic/2013/12/28/why-you-need-a-degree-to-work-for-bigco.html

17:02:04 assbot: Why You Need A Degree To Work For BigCo

17:02:50 mircea_popescu: it's mindblowing just how clever, on the point and far seeing reginald braithwaite is, while at the same time how idiotically fixated on "equality" and "empathy" and all the rest of that pointless drivel.

17:03:04 mircea_popescu: rarely has the imbecile/genius duality been more pointedly on display.

17:04:07 mircea_popescu: not that he's that much of a genius, or that much of an imbecile. but then again, to display dynamic equilibrium you aren't particularly better served by a VERY LONG lever.

17:04:19 mircea_popescu: much more instructive is a lever of reasonable length that sits put on its support a long time.

17:04:36 *: asciilifeform drank tea

17:05:44 asciilifeform: make a sport out of rubbing its hopes, aspirations and legitimate expectations into the dirt >> try being a pauper in the Big Zone some time...

17:06:03 mircea_popescu: you know... i wasn't born rich.

17:06:09 asciilifeform: hire doppelganger >> try this with people who worked in same room with you for years.

17:06:26 mircea_popescu: it will work. call him your legal representative, or w/e.

17:06:30 mircea_popescu: they'll get used to it.

17:06:43 mircea_popescu: people often thought mpoe-pr is me, or male, or so forth.

17:06:46 mircea_popescu: people wish to believe.

17:07:16 TheNewDeal: I thought so

17:07:21 asciilifeform: legal representative will point out errors in ancient fortran code, or resolder a loose component?

17:07:22 TheNewDeal: it just sounds like you're writing

17:07:31 asciilifeform: then where would i come in asking for pay, after that.

17:07:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. but to be present.

17:07:41 mircea_popescu: errors will be communicated on the next pass.

17:07:51 mircea_popescu: and i doubt what you do for a living is solder jobs.

17:08:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: know the 'which screw' joke ?

17:08:13 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal that is merely good discipline on the part of the actor in question.

17:08:21 asciilifeform: http://calvincorreli.com/2007/05/27/knowing-which-screw-to-turn << quoted here

17:08:22 assbot: Knowing which screw to turn

17:08:23 asciilifeform: ancient tale

17:08:37 mircea_popescu: i do, but you're really arguing a lot on a very narrow square inch of footing.

17:09:05 mircea_popescu: i don't care how deeply anchored in the core of the world it may be. it's a square inch and it's getting flattened.

17:10:01 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> you know... i wasn't born rich. < http://www.tubechop.com/watch/3623336

17:10:01 assbot: TubeChop - Life Stinks 1991) (00:10)

17:10:39 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hahaha, but no.

17:11:02 mircea_popescu: at the time i was a 16yo with his own driver, my father earned an impressing $680 a year.

17:11:33 *: asciilifeform agrees in principle with mircea_popescu. but only gets to eat by 'turning correct screw' because of a set of personal connections which, as usual, aren't portable.

17:11:34 mircea_popescu: and it WAS impressive, for the time and place. because hey, the russians tried to build an utopia of empathy and equality, and failed.

17:12:35 mircea_popescu: the result being, that everyone involved with the attempt earned peanuts. just like your average gi joe today earns whatever hundred bitcoins and thinks it a big deal.

17:12:37 asciilifeform: karl friedrich gauss was also an impressive chap at 16, if in different ways, yes

17:12:49 mircea_popescu: (yes, yes, i know, bitcoins aren't inflationary etc. but the hundreds to peanuts comparison is not there)

17:13:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a lot of value in looking for the easy way out, a point easily missed by naggum and im sure gauss, and many other very smart people.

17:14:04 mircea_popescu: all good math is based on a CORRECT easy way out.

17:14:16 mircea_popescu: ie, one that is actually homologous with the solution, not merely easy.,

17:14:53 asciilifeform: gauss actually is interesting to mention here, given as he made many 'leaps of intuition' - most of them, into neverneverland. he knew this, even, and so refrained from publishing most of his work

17:14:54 mircea_popescu: there's no prizes for doing things the obvious, hard way, outside of a heartfelt obituary by an age worn woman with beautiful blue eyes

17:15:07 asciilifeform: (including his non-euclidean geometry pieces)

17:15:16 mircea_popescu: that part wasn't so bad was it ?

17:15:22 asciilifeform: that part - mostly worked!

17:15:27 asciilifeform: but he sat on it.

17:15:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now read the bwaithe piece

17:16:06 *: asciilifeform reads

17:18:12 asciilifeform: lol

17:18:55 asciilifeform: there are firms like this, somewhere. can't say i ever saw one alive in person, but then again how would i.

17:20:57 asciilifeform: there's a lot of value in looking for the easy way out << yes:

17:21:05 asciilifeform: !s cheetah zoo

17:21:05 assbot: 1 results for 'cheetah zoo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cheetah+zoo

17:21:45 *: asciilifeform continues search for fence hole

17:22:17 mircea_popescu: well the easy way out involves expert cheating.

17:22:48 mircea_popescu: guy even fucking quotes seinfeld.

17:23:02 mircea_popescu: oh, weird world that has such variety in it.

17:25:46 mats_cd03: http://mysocialsherpa.com/the-ultimate-retaliation-pranking-my-roommate-with-targeted-facebook-ads/

17:26:29 mats_cd03: or, 'how to engineer paranoia into a pleb still using facebook'

17:27:10 mircea_popescu: :D

17:27:14 mircea_popescu: worthy cause.

17:27:30 asciilifeform: another old-time favourite - custom router firmware.

17:27:53 asciilifeform: (was surprised when read 'roommate' and joke did not involve above)

17:29:48 mircea_popescu: http://braythwayt.com/homoiconic/2009/10/10/high-anxiety.html <<< actually that is the missing stone i was looking for.

17:29:48 assbot: High Anxiety

17:30:05 mircea_popescu: fucktard is so affraid of this world he's stuck in "empathy" and "equality" and herpy-derp because god forbid, what if!!11

17:30:13 mircea_popescu: ah reading is such a pleasure.

17:30:52 asciilifeform: lol srsly? 'destroyed' by game of go ?!

17:32:42 mircea_popescu: anxious type.

17:33:12 mircea_popescu: if i step on a snail, strictly for the purpose of stepping on the snail, he'll prolly go berserk on me just out of the need to somehow resolve the anxiety he feels

17:33:14 asciilifeform: if 'destroyed' by losing at go, what'll become of him when dealing with folks actually bent on his destruction ?

17:33:20 mircea_popescu: "it's just a fucking snail" not available to his mind

17:33:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his life is dedicated to their inexistence.

17:33:55 asciilifeform: how can man persist in that state, day after day, and not fellate his pistol ?

17:33:56 mircea_popescu: hence he hates "racists", those people who say things like "it's just a fucking snail"

17:34:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a whole swath of other nonsense built on nonsense.

17:34:17 mircea_popescu: it... works.

17:34:25 asciilifeform: i bet he at least polishes it every day, and plays with it, and considers.

17:34:30 asciilifeform: like the 'dulap' man's grandfather.

17:34:31 mircea_popescu: that's why the fucking bigco hires what he describes.

17:34:46 mircea_popescu: because if it hired disruptive, fearless folks... well... who knows what rocking the boat could do.

17:35:18 mircea_popescu: if i went to work for google/apple/pepsi/w/e and in the first month a hundred employees killed themselves, i'd just welcome the news, and definitely blog about it.

17:35:25 mircea_popescu: but for pepsico itself... well... too much.

17:35:31 asciilifeform: oh and... are we sure this creature is a male ?

17:35:36 mircea_popescu: well yes.

17:35:45 mircea_popescu: depending quite what you mean.

17:35:48 mircea_popescu: he's the coffeejava guy

17:35:51 asciilifeform: ahaa

17:36:00 *: asciilifeform floored by the sheer perversity

17:36:17 mircea_popescu: perversion is the only enduring contribution of mankind to the universe.

17:36:53 asciilifeform: except for the puritanical variety, which, in al schwartz's words, 'has the unique damnation of being both perverse and boring.'

17:37:03 mircea_popescu: they're all boring to the right eyes.

17:37:22 mircea_popescu: "for every breathtakingly hot woman you ever see, there's a cock somewhere flacid at her mere memory"

17:39:15 TheNewDeal: ^hahahaha

17:39:34 mircea_popescu: "He and I became fast friends and life was rather wonderful. We were both self-employed and often worked from home together in our own little co-working space. We occasionally would hang out with friends together and one day he decided to have some fun with me." <<< WE BUILT OUR OWN CUBICAL!!1 out of materials found in every home! read the secret that has all middle managers jealous!

17:40:12 asciilifeform: laugh, laugh, but i once visited the home of a man who built own cube.

17:40:31 asciilifeform: then again, history tells us of at least four who built... own guillotines.

17:40:34 mircea_popescu: well i used to be friends with this nutso who built his own.... guillotine.

17:40:36 asciilifeform: and used them personally.

17:40:40 asciilifeform: lol!!!

17:40:43 mircea_popescu: heh.

17:40:43 asciilifeform: 'inb4'

17:40:55 mircea_popescu: he didn't use it, but it was illegal. somehow, i still don't know how this worked, tbh.

17:41:09 asciilifeform: ah usually the builder puts it to use personally.

17:41:13 mircea_popescu: guy was well disturbed tho, and the puzzlement of teh authorities threw him over the edge

17:41:14 asciilifeform: with a timer, or otherwise

17:42:35 nubbins`: lit candle placed diagonally under the rope

17:42:40 asciilifeform: one did this, yes

17:43:14 *: asciilifeform recently went to a dusty old book store, where saw a reprint of newspaper piece about that one.

17:43:29 nubbins`: wax timer :D

17:43:31 mircea_popescu: seems the best would be, immerse penis, use displaced volume to actuate, watch porn

17:43:33 asciilifeform: another had a water clock timer

17:44:23 asciilifeform: one, if i recall, also had a chloroform rag in the loop somehow

17:44:30 nubbins`: glue piezo element to butthole, feed burritos

17:44:36 nubbins`: thousand solutions to this problem

17:45:30 mircea_popescu: paint it in manycolors, drop acid.

17:45:32 asciilifeform: in hilarious novel 'stand on zanzibar', there was a service that would, for a fee, execute the client in any one of a variety of 'historic' methods

17:45:38 asciilifeform: e.g. guillotine, the stake, etc

17:45:46 mats_cd03: http://www.military.com/military-fitness/army-fitness-requirements/armys-big-pt-test-changes

17:45:47 assbot: Army's Big PT Test Changes | Military.com

17:45:51 mats_cd03: 'Army officials are also looking into how to grade the new tests, with a simple "excellent," "good" or "poor" potentially replacing a pass-fail or a point score.'

17:46:00 mats_cd03: i loled irl.

17:47:13 mircea_popescu: why

17:47:14 mircea_popescu: ?

17:49:00 mats_cd03: reminds me of some charter schools i had interacted with as a little one. no more grades, nobody can fail, everyone's a winner.

17:49:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25235 @ 0.00074979 = 18.921 BTC [+]

17:49:58 mats_cd03: seems a poor way to run a warrior class, imo.

17:50:36 mircea_popescu: well yes but this is a move from 0/1 not from 0/10

17:53:05 mircea_popescu: "EDIT: I?ve told this story at conferences and in bars for months and absolutely love teaching through humor, but I?ve always been extremely self-conscious about my writing. I want to thank the absolutely amazing people on the /r/marketing subreddit and those in commenting below for giving me such profound feedback and encouragement on this article. I guarantee you that there will be MANY more like it in the very n

17:53:05 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:53:05 mircea_popescu: ear future. Thank you for your support and your laughter."

17:53:19 mircea_popescu: the problem with the facebook ads being that they are absolute rubbish

17:53:38 mircea_popescu: to the degree even the people trying to sell them are trying on the basis of "humor", ie, complete marketing failure.

17:53:42 TheNewDeal: they don't know how to target

17:53:55 mircea_popescu: yes fb, tyvm for having built a car that can't move but is a great guillotine counterweight.

17:54:06 mircea_popescu: if i ever need a way to counterweight a guillotine i'll think of you!

17:54:08 TheNewDeal: just heard a 25 yr o girl that received an "enlarge p3n1s pillz!!"

17:54:33 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it is always the ready excuse of the manufacturer of a bad car that "people just don't know how to drive"

17:54:46 mircea_popescu: somehow the same people that know how to game google into the dirt "don't know how to target".

17:56:57 TheNewDeal: google's pretty good. they just query my searches, repeat in ad form

17:57:32 TheNewDeal: I search "gold," all of next week I see gold rubbish

17:58:53 nubbins`: targeted advertising is mirthful

17:59:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00075008 = 10.5761 BTC [+]

17:59:08 nubbins`: my wife has very little info on her FB page and posts very infrequently

17:59:23 asciilifeform: i want 'targeted' ads every bit as much as roaches want 'targeted' roach spray.

17:59:34 nubbins`: so the algos just default to "xx year old woman" and show her ads for weight loss and wedding planning

18:00:17 xmj: your wife needs wedding planning?

18:00:33 xmj: she's about to serve you a divorce, mate

18:00:35 nubbins`: she's married and can bench press more weight than me ;(

18:01:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` more weight than you weight or more weight than you press ?

18:01:40 nubbins`: heh. more than i can press

18:01:48 mircea_popescu: well not in mortal danger yet

18:01:54 mircea_popescu: but better grow fat while you still can

18:01:58 xmj: as i said

18:02:00 nubbins`: nah, she can barely bench half my weight right now

18:02:03 xmj: she's about to serve you a divorce, mate

18:02:10 nubbins`: i'm eating potato chips right now to help defend myself

18:02:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, i don't see the problem. let them read everything i write and make sense to me.

18:02:28 nubbins`: altho she can pick me up, so there's that

18:02:36 mircea_popescu: i expect no less of a human, why would i deter this of a computer ?

18:04:44 mircea_popescu: http://braythwayt.com/posterous/2012/03/29/a-womans-story.html << this is a pretty great story

18:04:44 assbot: A Woman's Story

18:05:47 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

18:05:47 gribble: 260791425.666

18:06:50 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

18:06:53 gribble: Current Blocks: 321894 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 665 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 15 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35378016999.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.59984

18:07:10 mircea_popescu: fucking hell 20%

18:07:18 mircea_popescu: how, is what i want to know.

18:07:43 mircea_popescu: 50 ph ? srsly ?

18:09:15 nubbins`: just wait until they turn on the rest of the farm

18:09:44 mircea_popescu: what farm, by now this is a whole planet.

18:09:53 TheNewDeal: that bet is so prime right now

18:10:01 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, am i the only one to find it shocking that the hollow earth crowd hasn't squeezed in on btc mining yet ?

18:10:08 mircea_popescu: SECRET UNDERGROUND MINING FARMS!!!

18:10:23 TheNewDeal: ;;ud hollow earth

18:10:23 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hollow%20earth | ... hollow balls · Hollow Book · hollow bunny · hollow bunny trauma · hollow conversation · hollowcore · hollow crackin' · Hollow Day ... hollow earth isn't defined.

18:10:45 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal there's this group that believes the earth is hollow inside, and stuff lives there.

18:10:53 nubbins`: but physics

18:11:04 TheNewDeal: thought it was?

18:11:13 TheNewDeal: ;)

18:11:19 nubbins`: oh you!

18:11:28 TheNewDeal: giggity giggity

18:11:55 TheNewDeal: so I'm trying to test out this mycelium trader bullshit

18:12:10 TheNewDeal: requested a buy from this asshole 4 hours ago

18:12:11 TheNewDeal: no response

18:12:55 mircea_popescu: maybe it has to build the fruiting body

18:13:19 TheNewDeal: come again?

18:14:11 nubbins`: HEH.

18:14:17 nubbins`: insert mushroom-tip joke here

18:14:39 TheNewDeal: lel

18:14:41 nubbins`: ;;google penis envy p. cubensis

18:14:42 gribble: Penis Envy Cubensis - The Hawk's Eye: http://www.thehawkseye.com/pe/pe.html; Psilocybe cubensis : Penis Envy Uncut Spore ... - The Spore Works: http://sporeworks.com/Psilocybe-cubensis-Penis-Envy-Uncut-Spore-Syringe-Microscopy-Kit.html; Psilocybe cubensis : Albino Penis Envy (APE ver ... - The Spore Works: http://sporeworks.com/Psilocybe-cubensis-Albino-Penis-Envy-APE-ver.-1.0 (1 more message)

18:17:15 TheNewDeal: thats a head I wouldn't mind swallowing

18:17:22 TheNewDeal: don't quote me on that

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18:17:44 nubbins`: !b 3

18:18:04 TheNewDeal: gracias

18:18:28 nubbins`: bitcointalk.org blocked in china!

18:18:58 TheNewDeal: 5,000 "bitcoin china ban" threads result

18:24:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2215 @ 0.00075008 = 1.6614 BTC [+]

18:25:12 jurov: dem phalocybes

18:26:17 mircea_popescu: theymos jailed in china'd sound better tbh.

18:28:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00074591 = 8.2796 BTC [-]

18:29:36 TheNewDeal: thought he lived in madison, wi?

18:36:04 nubbins`: madison, china, w/e

18:36:30 nubbins`: read an article earlier today that coal burned in china accounts for 20-30% of environmental mercury in usa

18:37:54 TheNewDeal: seems like a hard point to prove

18:38:14 TheNewDeal: didn't the us allow mercury around for many decades?

18:44:49 nubbins`: TheNewDeal: pollution drift from asia is well-understood at this point

18:45:16 nubbins`: fwiw, the US (and canada, and every other country) still allows mercury "around", you just need to put it in a light bulb

18:47:03 TheNewDeal: wikiderpia says largest contribution is from burning fossil fuels

18:48:00 TheNewDeal: "Currently, only Minnesota has a use-restriction law providing that mercury sold in the state will be used only for medical, dental, instructional, research, or manufacturing purposes." Well, what teh fuck else is it going to be used for?

18:48:21 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> fwiw, the US (and canada, and every other country) still allows mercury "around", you just need to put it in a light bulb <<<

18:48:29 mircea_popescu: better than those evil, inert tungsten ones.

18:48:35 nubbins`: inorite?

18:48:43 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal masturbation.

18:48:52 mircea_popescu: minnesota is very down on jacking off

18:49:02 TheNewDeal: damn right

18:49:10 nubbins`: i live in fucking canada, i have my heat on for maybe 7-8 months of the year, and soon it will be illegal for me to buy a lightbulb that produces heat

18:49:14 nubbins`: consider the logic

18:50:00 mircea_popescu: soon my foot.

18:50:13 mircea_popescu: they kept derping about this in the eu. as i left romanian, proper lightbulbs were still on sale.

18:50:22 nubbins`: now i have to buy a bulb that contains mercury, and the power plant has to burn more coal to keep me warm

18:50:26 mircea_popescu: you couldn't buy them in the foreign supermarkets. which romanians don't buy from anyway.

18:51:23 nubbins`: you're not allowed to manufacture or import 100W incandescents in canada right now

18:51:32 nubbins`: once current stock depletes, that's it

18:52:10 TheNewDeal: they're gonna kick me out if I try and bring a bulb across the border?

18:52:23 mircea_popescu: from where, the north pole ?

18:52:28 TheNewDeal: usia

18:52:50 mircea_popescu: lol mexico-canada via the us lightbulb ring

18:53:16 TheNewDeal: They only allow you to bring in one carton of smokes

18:54:11 TheNewDeal: you can buy them for ~40USD per carton (10 packs), then they sell em for ~11 CAD

18:54:37 mircea_popescu: the serbs been doing this for a while in timisoara. (serbia not b eing part of the eu)

18:54:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10085 @ 0.0007464 = 7.5274 BTC [+]

18:57:21 nubbins`: duty-free smokes

18:57:31 nubbins`: cheapest i've seen is japan, $14 for a carton of marl

18:57:48 TheNewDeal: had a friend that would import smokes from china, sell them to his frat memebers

18:57:57 nubbins`: cops hate that

18:57:59 TheNewDeal: said approx 3/10 shipments would get confiscated at the border

18:58:06 TheNewDeal: still worth the money

18:58:21 nubbins`: ehh i think people who bring in contraband smokes are fucking dickheads

18:58:33 TheNewDeal: contraband?

18:58:42 nubbins`: untaxed

18:58:52 nubbins`: like your friend's chinese smokes

18:58:59 bounce: makes'em better. double the sin!

18:59:20 nubbins`: move to a country with free universal health care and see how you feel about it 8)

18:59:22 TheNewDeal: It's just a joke that they're the exact same shit

18:59:37 mircea_popescu: well on the neutral industrial basis of it, a pack is like 20 cents or something.

18:59:40 TheNewDeal: I'm not going to get into the arguement, but smokers are less of a health care burden. They die early and quick

18:59:58 bounce: so only pull that trick in countries that don't have universal healthcare

19:00:42 mircea_popescu: this argument is broken against smoking. it's an argument against universal health care.

19:00:46 bounce: "I hate the local healthcare system, let's smuggle some smokes!"

19:00:59 mircea_popescu: for instance. nonsense breeds any nonsense you chose.

19:02:57 TheNewDeal: Anyways, I wasn't the one smuggling in the smokes. Co-worker was the one, except he legitimately smoked them. Type of brainset that thinks he is saving $X whilst smoking through 9 packs in 10 days

19:03:22 TheNewDeal: Anyways, guy bums a smoke from him outside the hotel, gives him a looney

19:03:31 TheNewDeal: people try to give you quarters in the us

19:04:04 mircea_popescu: lol

19:04:15 nubbins`: dollar smokes, pretty steep

19:04:26 nubbins`: only 9 packs in 10 days tho?

19:04:29 nubbins`: that's hardly even a smoker

19:04:42 mircea_popescu: .ox

19:04:43 nubbins`: i used to do 9 packs in a week

19:05:05 mircea_popescu: i still have a pack someone gave me when i moved here

19:05:39 nubbins`: it'll be 3 years since my last on october 16

19:05:49 TheNewDeal: not bad

19:06:02 mircea_popescu: wait i've been bloggibng for longer than you've been not smoking ?

19:06:06 mircea_popescu: filthy unhabit!

19:06:12 TheNewDeal: hahha

19:06:15 nubbins`: :D

19:06:48 nubbins`: i recall approaching the one-month mark, and a friend suggested i celebrate by smoking all the cigarettes that i hadn't in the past month

19:07:14 TheNewDeal: hahahaha

19:07:21 mircea_popescu: !up Klodet

19:07:22 nubbins`: had a lel, did some mental math, realized that'd be like 700+ cigarettes

19:07:35 nubbins`: realized what i'd been doing to my body :0

19:08:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 169 @ 0.01083989 = 1.8319 BTC [-]

19:08:41 mircea_popescu: nonsense tho

19:08:52 mircea_popescu: move from say japan to canada,

19:09:01 mircea_popescu: then after a month have all the radiation you missed out on

19:09:04 mircea_popescu: in one go

19:10:32 TheNewDeal: so, just because he hasn't been bathing in radiation, smoking 700 cigarettes in 10 days isn't bad?

19:10:40 TheNewDeal: seems like a stretch

19:11:04 mircea_popescu: no, but the damage in smoking 700 ciggs in one go has more to do with the one go than with the ciggs

19:12:26 nubbins`: probably need an ambulance around the third pack

19:12:47 mircea_popescu: keep a diet for a month, then eat all the food you didn't eat in one sitting. course you'll burst your stomach. etc

19:12:51 nubbins`: heh

19:12:55 TheNewDeal: your esophagus would just swell closed

19:13:23 mircea_popescu: none of this to propose smoking is healthy or anything

19:13:33 nubbins`: anyway, obv all in one go is worse, point is i smoked 700 cigs a month

19:13:34 mircea_popescu: just, gotta keep up appearances at technicality club

19:13:38 nubbins`: heh.

19:13:47 TheNewDeal: kind of reminds me of the monkeys that died from smoking cannabis

19:13:54 TheNewDeal: anyone hear of that experiment?

19:13:56 nubbins`: technicality club: "can i take your coat sir?" "it's a blazer"

19:13:57 mircea_popescu: nope

19:14:13 nubbins`: TND is that one of those face-mask-pumping-pure-smoke deals?

19:14:18 nubbins`: sounds vaguely familiar

19:15:15 TheNewDeal: http://highdeas.com/world-business/The_Governments_Monkey_Experiment

19:15:16 assbot: The Government's Monkey Experiment

19:15:37 TheNewDeal: Can't remember where I heard of it first, but thats the tldr I guess

19:15:56 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/5rl2uyR.jpg

19:16:16 TheNewDeal: what in the fack

19:16:50 Klodet: nubbins is this you

19:16:55 Klodet: and yours dad?

19:17:44 TheNewDeal: looked like an emaciated schwarznegger (sp)

19:20:18 mircea_popescu: i wonder if smoking will ever be replaced by something equally insane

19:20:23 mircea_popescu: "gargle volcano water"

19:20:45 mircea_popescu: "insert dung into your rectum"

19:21:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12582 @ 0.00074851 = 9.4178 BTC [+]

19:21:26 TheNewDeal: well vodka shots up the ass

19:21:28 TheNewDeal: thats close

19:22:14 mircea_popescu: vodka is no good, but spritz will definitely loose up any woman.

19:22:14 nubbins`: nah, just some guys

19:23:48 nubbins`: http://www.neomatica.com/2014/09/20/15-centimeter-hagfish-nano-thread-near-gigapascal-tensile-strength-wound-single-cell/

19:23:49 assbot: A 15 Centimeter Hagfish Nano-thread With Near Gigapascal Tensile Strength Is Wound Up In A Single Cell | Neomatica

19:23:49 mircea_popescu: http://beranger.org/ludditus/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/logo.png << i can't remember this guy's name

19:24:01 mircea_popescu: any francophone with vaillant experience ?

19:26:15 TheNewDeal: At my old job, got to see a manufacturing process for high strength power lines (for longer spans than normal, like a wide river). They had to extrude these extremely fine threads, over hundreds of meters in length, and if a few broke, it was all scrap

19:29:40 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you have background for naggum's "Free Software is a protest movement. Open Source is just a weapon." comment in that "business plan" thread?

19:30:35 ben_vulpes: "(watch GNU ls acquire

19:30:42 ben_vulpes: "human" sizes, for instance: multiples of 1000, instead of 1024.)" << this is what human means on unix?!

19:30:56 *: ben_vulpes boggles

19:31:10 xmj: ben_vulpes: GNU's not unix

19:31:13 xmj: (seriously.)

19:31:33 ben_vulpes: right.

19:31:41 ben_vulpes: is "human" 1000 across all of gnu?

19:32:08 xmj: GNU tools are pretty much invariant across all linux distributions, if that's what you mean

19:36:50 ben_vulpes: sounds like well-cast braindamage.

19:38:51 TheNewDeal: are 2^x numbers not human readable?

19:39:19 ben_vulpes: i'm coming to the conclusion that i'm an alien

19:39:38 ben_vulpes: i started playing with tiling window managers recently, to the horror of the golden cage people surrounding me

19:39:54 ben_vulpes: "but there are tools for manipulating your workspace!"

19:39:59 ben_vulpes: "and do you use them?"

19:40:01 ben_vulpes: "no..."

19:40:11 ben_vulpes: "have you tried them?"

19:40:15 ben_vulpes: "a little..."

19:41:06 ben_vulpes: just enough to uncover their wholesale inadequacy and go back to the miserable rodential dragging and resizing of windows around monitors

19:42:15 TheNewDeal: I found it mildly convenient that you could drag and smash the windows to the edge and get it to cover half

19:44:05 TheNewDeal: windows usability is just going through teh roof

19:44:36 ben_vulpes: i read too much about lisp machines this weekend

19:44:39 ben_vulpes: not good for my tiny little brain

19:44:43 ben_vulpes: makes me unhappy in my cage

20:00:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5556 @ 0.00074851 = 4.1587 BTC [+]

20:03:08 decimation: mircea_popescu: Your "a woman's story" link is a nice story, but it does not present a picture of usg employment law today.

20:04:20 nubbins`: hard to beat osx app expose for workflow

20:04:20 decimation: Note that even in the 'dark ages', the employer accepted her skills and hired her.

20:04:23 nubbins`: dem gestures

20:04:26 nubbins`: dat exploded view

20:04:26 nubbins`: etc

20:05:08 decimation: Today usg requires that employers hire 'qualified' employees: http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html << which means that if the black guy barely meets the 'criteria' for a job, then you must hire

20:05:11 assbot: Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination: Questions AndAnswers

20:05:25 ben_vulpes: try working with a text editot full-screened, nubbins`.

20:05:29 ben_vulpes: editor*

20:05:46 nubbins`: why would i want to :(

20:06:05 ben_vulpes: to understand my helllllllllll

20:06:28 decimation: ben_vulpes: using emacs on a mac - I find the most fustrating thing is the "C-up arrow"

20:06:48 decimation: I often switch between "C-p,C-n" and the arrow keys

20:06:58 decimation: a mistype will move my desktop or minimize my window or whatever

20:07:48 nubbins`: ...have you considered changing your osx keyboard shortcuts?

20:07:49 ben_vulpes: for extra hell, bind meta to cmd

20:07:53 ben_vulpes: decimation:

20:08:10 ben_vulpes: and forgo meta-tab

20:08:37 decimation: I did take your suggestion of switching caps lock and ctrl, makes my 'emacs pinky' go away.

20:08:57 decimation: yeah I've been eyeing the useless 'super' binding

20:09:22 ben_vulpes: are you using the matsuhiro port?

20:10:07 ben_vulpes: (also horrible is how os x handles new windows for application a when application a is full screen on a monitor somewhere: nondeterministically!)

20:10:10 decimation: no I'm using emacs from macports

20:10:31 decimation: yeah I use two monitors and osx is crazy with window management

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20:29:15 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes still around?

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20:56:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/21/encounter-with-a-neo-national-socialist/

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21:19:33 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: yessir?

21:21:05 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski but only those who committed the crime can be held liable for it - there's no sense in holding "a people" or "a community" liable for actions of their ancestors, is there?

21:21:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:23:12 bounce: happens all the time. like "compensation" for slavery that happened hundreds of years ago.

21:24:58 bounce: (which is of course the embodiment of the white man's evil nature that needs urgent atonement, and nevermind that the scary brown people down in africa practiced it just as much if not more... and to an extent still do)

21:33:06 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/chirpnmutter/

21:33:06 assbot: Chirp and mutter

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22:20:42 nubbins`: !up guruvan

22:20:47 nubbins`: !up bitstein

22:20:51 nubbins`: !up xdotcommer

22:21:04 nubbins`: !up Cory

22:21:09 nubbins`: !up unbalanced

22:27:43 bounce: bot doesn't allow for multiple names on an !up line?

22:29:32 jurov: !up *

22:29:40 jurov: ^or this :D

22:30:05 nubbins`: i don't think so

22:30:31 nubbins`: !up gilgameshugga mius pactr mike_c BananaLotus guruvan belcher Azelphur

22:31:38 jurov: ;;echo !up mius

22:31:38 gribble: !up mius

22:31:57 jurov: okay, this is closed

22:33:43 jurov: http://www.javaworld.com/article/2601433/java-language/programmers-could-get-repl-in-official-java.html

22:33:44 assbot: Programmers could get REPL in official Java | JavaWorld

22:33:52 jurov: ^one big wtf

22:48:07 bounce: compare and contrast http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom-of-nouns.html

22:48:07 assbot: Stevey's Blog Rants: Execution in the Kingdom of Nouns

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23:19:42 mircea_popescu: decimation: Note that even in the 'dark ages', the employer accepted her skills and hired her. << that was exactly my note.

23:19:55 mircea_popescu: boo hoo racism, horribru how they hired the woman after all.

23:22:20 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: (also horrible is how os x handles new windows for application a when application a is full screen on a monitor somewhere: nondeterministically!) <<< i'd be happy if people just came to some sort of consistent treatment of focus

23:23:28 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: but only those who committed the crime can be held liable for it - there's no sense in holding "a people" or "a community" liable for actions of their ancestors, is there? << in that case what makes the indians' land the indians' ? they can't be held liable for their ancestors appropriations.

23:29:47 mircea_popescu: sooo according to oglaf.com, this thing > http://www.spinnyverse.com/ is paying $200+ A DAY for advertising.

23:29:48 assbot: Spinnerette

23:29:51 mircea_popescu: there's just no fucking way.

23:30:06 BingoBoingo: jurov: that would be advice for BingoBoingo, jurov: hire doppelganger, walk out << I'll decline to comment on whether this option has been considered already...

23:34:14 mircea_popescu: !up ben_vulpes`

23:34:56 ben_vulpes`: humbug

23:35:02 ben_vulpes`: but ty

23:35:58 ben_vulpes`: mircea_popescu: regarding the north american indians - is their land theirs? is it not granted to them by the arms which surround, and worthless even at that?

23:36:17 mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, your model.

23:37:26 nubbins`: owning land, imagine

23:38:04 mircea_popescu: "These are the Functional Kingdoms, including Haskellia, Ocamlica, Schemeria" ok that's not bad.

23:38:10 mircea_popescu: trickster is smecher in romanian too.

23:48:22 mircea_popescu: ahjahaha what ? pete meets a neonazi ? lmao.