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00:01:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00074617 = 26.7875 BTC [+]

00:04:30 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280502 <<< This is the perfect place for someone that perceives pgp as "silly".

00:04:30 assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 23:09:19; adlai: pgp is just silly

00:04:44 shinohai: ./s

00:09:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12560 @ 0.0007443 = 9.3484 BTC [-]

00:12:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61440 @ 0.0007443 = 45.7298 BTC [-]

00:20:37 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 8th October - http://bitbet.us/bet/1202/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b3

00:22:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17871 @ 0.00074498 = 13.3135 BTC [+]

00:26:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32097 @ 0.00074634 = 23.9553 BTC [+] {3}

00:26:46 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

00:26:47 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 231.95, Best ask: 231.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 231.97, 24 hour volume: 3523.07376493, 24 hour low: 231.4, 24 hour high: 233.38, 24 hour vwap: None

00:27:45 ben_vulpes: whoa

00:27:54 ben_vulpes: log is showing lines that my irc client is not

00:28:20 ben_vulpes: a no, pure derpitude on my part.

00:33:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00074891 = 12.6191 BTC [+] {3}

00:49:14 mircea_popescu: eh, forcing people do things isn't the best strategy anyway.

00:49:23 mircea_popescu: cazalla eulora item.

00:52:17 *: adlai sighs

00:52:38 adlai: trinque: pls to compare http://deedbot.org/deed-375398-2.txt and http://dpaste.com/3H6RR87.txt

00:52:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsI8m2 )

00:52:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YshvHy )

00:53:28 adlai: !v assbot:adlai.unrate.deedbot-:76571928fcc755b2f8a24c1c31b84255cad1497770f9f056a37084e366b73afa

00:53:28 assbot: Successfully unrated deedbot-

00:53:54 mircea_popescu: people anmd their down jones fixation.

00:54:18 adlai: hey it urned us a buck dinnit?

00:55:00 mircea_popescu: trinque other than the silliness of trying to force people to do things, the more general problem with not publishing code is that it creates a world of perverse incentives for one,

00:55:09 mircea_popescu: sooner than later you'll find yourself chasing your tail because of it.

00:56:40 trinque: I'd probably be a lot more willing to shoot the guy a tarball without the antics

00:56:55 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/34TTQ2X.txt

00:56:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ysy46f )

00:56:57 deedbot-: rejected: 1

00:57:08 adlai: ... well at least it respects revocations!

00:57:29 adlai: !rated trinque

00:57:29 assbot: You rated user trinque on 28-Apr-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: highly educational, taught me not to trust unsigned text: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280535.

00:57:30 mircea_popescu: well that;s kinda people publish it rather than passing it along on a p2p basis. saves them the effort of evaluating everyone's antics.

00:57:38 adlai: trinque: what can i say, drama is a lifestyle

00:58:58 *: adlai wonders what's wrong with 34TTQ2X.txt, curl|gpg eats it just fine

00:59:58 mircea_popescu: prolly the comments.

01:00:33 adlai: you mean the quoted public key block getting interpreted as a valid one?

01:00:35 mircea_popescu: adlai what is your notion of "never" and "another message" anyway.

01:00:42 mircea_popescu: not like pgp has these notions.

01:00:52 mircea_popescu: that, yes.

01:01:10 adlai: those notions are uncontrovertial, neither is "forseen"

01:01:21 adlai: ie, if another message is signed, the key was cracked

01:01:36 adlai: (or dignork asked for a challenge)

01:02:04 mircea_popescu: how do you know if it was signed after or before.

01:02:35 adlai: lolkay, s/sign/deed/

01:02:44 mircea_popescu: ah.

01:02:51 mircea_popescu: well it makes a difference, it's not obvious at all.

01:03:40 danielpbarron: step 1) sign contract step 2) recieve payment of some sort step 3) revoke key and claim "cracked" when counterparty tries to make an appeal

01:04:06 adlai: idiot counterparty should've deeded it!

01:04:18 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/31CHJZQ.txt

01:04:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ysz9uI )

01:04:20 deedbot-: accepted: 1

01:04:23 adlai: ok, progress

01:04:29 mircea_popescu: heh.

01:05:15 trinque: adlai: as for the one with a sig wrapping a sig, I'll have to update the code first.

01:08:22 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/316CXMR.txt

01:08:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YszLAA )

01:08:23 deedbot-: rejected: 1

01:08:29 *: adlai blinks

01:08:37 adlai: trinque: this is rather weird now

01:08:59 *: adlai has another idea...

01:09:09 trinque: nah that one looks right; maybe I busted something earlier.

01:16:03 trinque: adlai: wtf, you revoked that key

01:16:05 trinque: lol

01:16:09 adlai: of course i did.

01:16:13 trinque: and it didn't work.

01:16:30 adlai: free testing is worth what you pay for it!

01:16:53 trinque: truly a professional troll

01:17:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.000744 = 17.2608 BTC [-] {5}

01:19:22 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3A1RC4V.txt

01:19:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsLDsA )

01:19:23 deedbot-: accepted: 1

01:20:44 adlai: who knew losing backups could be this fun

01:22:37 mircea_popescu: !up probobonobo

01:22:58 mircea_popescu: hey cazalla : i need a noob crafter to make me a tool in eulora, hopefully get some recipe copies.

01:23:04 mircea_popescu: you game to log in in a coupla hours ?

01:24:42 *: adlai scratches head at deedbot-

01:24:54 adlai: this bug is actually far stranger than i can even imagine

01:27:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00074325 = 31.8111 BTC [-]

01:27:44 trinque: adlai: not really that weird; gpg ignores data outside a header/footer pair

01:27:53 trinque: including a dangling header where the footer is chopped off

01:28:12 trinque: and my regex is currently quite happy to do so for wrapped messages

01:28:43 trinque: fixing atm

01:28:54 *: adlai wonders whether there should be any way to "cancel" a deed

01:29:17 adlai: (before the hourly commitment)

01:30:38 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0H32Y9J.txt

01:30:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsNcaf )

01:30:39 deedbot-: accepted: 1

01:31:34 *: adlai blames the long stressful day at the troll mines

01:32:25 adlai: !down adlai

01:34:41 cazalla: mircea_popescu, don't have a client to do so (nuked windows drive with the win ver)

01:34:58 cazalla: and couldn't get it running on ubuntu last i tried

01:39:43 mircea_popescu: ah sucks

01:40:26 cazalla: is http://www.eulorum.org/Ubuntu current?

01:40:29 assbot: Ubuntu - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1D6vTgQ )

01:40:30 mircea_popescu: ye

01:40:36 cazalla: i'll give it a whirl

01:41:16 mircea_popescu: cool cause if i don't manage to get this old screens recipe replicated we're sol without screens.

01:41:25 mircea_popescu: only one in entire game so far.

01:56:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00074894 = 29.1338 BTC [+] {3}

01:58:22 cazalla: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/20/teen-prosecuted-naked-images-himself-phone-selfies

01:58:24 assbot: Teen prosecuted as adult for having naked images – of himself – on phone | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqMC0L )

02:04:47 BingoBoingo: cazalla: That was already covered on qntra a while back

02:04:56 cazalla: same kid?

02:05:24 BingoBoingo: Yeah

02:07:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00074916 = 19.0661 BTC [+] {3}

02:09:40 cazalla: the fuck is the guardian recycling 3 week old stories for then? (you know, i also read about the ISIS dinar again this morning)

02:10:35 BingoBoingo: Because they have to

02:23:21 cazalla: common malware story so not really qntra worthy but still lulzy http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/townsville-adult-store-blackmailedby-hackers/story-fnii5v6w-1227536627027 "We contacted the police and they told us there was nothing they could do. We contacted the Federal Police and they told us there?s nothing they could do either"

02:23:22 assbot: Client risk as hackers blackmail sex shop ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqNYbO )

02:23:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00074994 = 35.8846 BTC [+] {3}

02:23:37 deedbot-: [Qntra] Apple App Store Suffers Sustained Attack, Spreads Malware to Customers - http://qntra.net/2015/09/apple-app-store-suffers-sustained-attack-spreads-malware-to-customers/

02:29:03 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

02:29:45 asciilifeform: 4GB RAM, SSD drive, the works.

02:30:24 asciilifeform: battery back up, locked room with camera, come and get it motherfuckers

02:30:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26366 @ 0.00075011 = 19.7774 BTC [+]

02:31:01 BingoBoingo: Beautiful asciilifeform

02:32:46 asciilifeform: Bucephalus: 216.15.33.203:8333

02:37:51 mircea_popescu: win.

02:39:55 asciilifeform: now this is not an ideal box, it is on a 20/5 commercial pipe.

02:40:36 asciilifeform: but it will have to do its duty until there is a fleet of serious iron, somewhere.

02:41:27 asciilifeform: bbl.

02:46:12 mod6: nice, thanks asciilifeform!

02:53:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00075029 = 13.6928 BTC [+] {4}

03:26:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00075068 = 17.3407 BTC [+]

03:37:06 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 8.27551304 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b20

03:38:59 asciilifeform: full height, 17 connections

03:41:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00075127 = 36.5117 BTC [+] {4}

03:42:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00074668 = 13.8509 BTC [-]

03:46:39 asciilifeform: ;;later tell adlai what was all that about ...?

03:46:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:47:24 asciilifeform: !rated adlai

03:47:24 assbot: You have not rated adlai.

03:48:09 asciilifeform: !rate adlai 2 horseman of common lisp robopocalypse

03:48:09 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c95e2aa0fc9ba218

03:48:27 Birdman: Im looking for a staker on swcpoker, here are two graphs showing my statistics there http://imgur.com/MUdjFfc http://imgur.com/8d2EjZw

03:48:28 assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KF3yA6 )

03:48:29 assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KF3wrX )

03:48:44 asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.adlai.2:40d46c35ffca536c78fd9ee8b58a1c7337964c9754adb15e2a76a22e582f7944

03:48:44 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for adlai with note: horseman of common lisp robopocalypse

03:49:31 asciilifeform: Birdman: what's a 'staker' ?

03:49:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your naming conventions are lovely

03:49:55 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: which ?

03:50:15 Birdman: Someone to invest the money to bank roll my play for expected profits

03:50:26 ben_vulpes: bucephalus, zoolag, ignatius

03:50:30 asciilifeform: people take investors to play poker now ?!!

03:50:40 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: incitatus

03:50:45 asciilifeform: caligula's horse.

03:50:48 ben_vulpes: Birdman: has swc solved collusion?

03:50:51 *: ben_vulpes bows

03:50:53 asciilifeform: and senator.

03:51:21 ben_vulpes: i need ecc meatram

03:51:35 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have some but don't know where to buy it

03:51:39 asciilifeform: not sure if it is made any more.

03:51:47 ben_vulpes: o.O

03:51:48 ben_vulpes: wat

03:52:01 asciilifeform: aha i think it was .su only product..

03:52:02 asciilifeform: l0l

03:52:04 ben_vulpes: i dun even b'leev u

03:52:30 Birdman: They are not in the wot and dont use any authentication, though tournaments usually make collusion not profitable

03:52:32 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: familiar with 'caribou mathematics contest'?

03:52:42 asciilifeform: can't say i am

03:53:09 ben_vulpes: Birdman: i'm taking the girl on a cross-state line run, but please tell me later how tournaments make collusion unprofitable

03:53:32 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: came in on the local homeschooling wotwire

03:53:54 asciilifeform: i assume it is an olympiad of one kind or another ?

03:53:59 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

03:54:03 *: ben_vulpes off to taunt feds

03:55:27 mircea_popescu: man that eth bet :D

03:55:51 asciilifeform: srsly

03:55:55 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> people take investors to play poker now ?!! << this is older than litecoin.

03:56:11 asciilifeform: why would anyone take this up

03:56:40 mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works.

03:56:45 asciilifeform: evidently!

03:57:15 mircea_popescu: nevada casinos gross in the billions. it's a distraction.

03:57:34 asciilifeform: no that part makes sense

03:57:45 asciilifeform: but why would anyone pay some other fella to play poker ~in his stead~

03:58:03 mircea_popescu: why would someone pay some other fella to fuck his wife in his stead ?

03:58:09 mircea_popescu: if you'll excuse the pon.

03:58:24 asciilifeform: so the equivalent in card game would be... a puckold ?

03:58:28 mircea_popescu: it's a distraction.

03:58:30 mircea_popescu: lol.

03:58:52 asciilifeform: (pockold? cackold?)

03:59:09 mircea_popescu: nono because queen of spades.

04:00:18 asciilifeform: bitcoin-ruby:0.0.6 << l0l

04:00:23 asciilifeform: did not know this existed.

04:05:16 cazalla: Birdman, i know a game up in binghamton, ya interested?

04:05:48 cazalla: full of municipal workers but i reckon you could take it down

04:05:57 Birdman: I appreciate the offer but that is too far for me

04:06:16 asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280658 << for wiki ?

04:06:16 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 02:32:46; asciilifeform: Bucephalus: 216.15.33.203:8333

04:06:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:06:17 mircea_popescu: is this from rounders ?

04:06:24 cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol yeah

04:11:44 asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes consider installing a therealbitcoin node in your little shop of horrors ?

04:11:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:12:20 asciilifeform: we could very much use more of these sitting on proper commercial wires, with static ip, qos, clean mains power, etc

04:13:37 mircea_popescu: !up vkmc

04:14:18 mircea_popescu: cazalla so didja manage to get it going ?

04:15:30 cazalla: nope

04:15:40 cazalla: http://dpaste.com/046YK9Z.txt at which point i sat and wished i could actually use a computer

04:15:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WcGYCP )

04:17:56 cazalla: busted muh steam games (tf2 and csgo) in the process somehow, prob all the shit i installed at the cli without having a clue what it was

04:20:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15459 @ 0.00074445 = 11.5085 BTC [-] {3}

04:24:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00075234 = 23.9244 BTC [+] {3}

04:36:59 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/

04:43:03 mircea_popescu: cazalla betcha you didn't do the export lines like it's said in the recipe

04:43:08 mircea_popescu: used multiple windows or who knows what.

04:47:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00074411 = 11.4965 BTC [-]

04:50:50 mircea_popescu: hey mike_c if you read this... need a super noob crafter in eulora. or i guess mod6 ? you ever crafted mod6 ?

04:50:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074411 = 12.8731 BTC [-]

04:55:05 asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated << i dare say the ro was more readable !!

04:55:06 assbot: The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFbBwz )

04:56:30 mircea_popescu: o.O

04:56:41 mircea_popescu: romanian not really pete's strong language is it ?

05:03:49 asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/#comment-31000

05:03:50 assbot: The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFcQvJ )

05:03:50 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:06:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074758 = 28.2585 BTC [+]

05:09:05 mod6: mircea_popescu: i'm somewhere around lvl 70 crafter.

05:09:15 mircea_popescu: ah

05:10:08 mod6: looking for someone with lower rank?

05:10:44 mod6: I successfully made a samovar once, and then turned my attention to mining :]

05:16:20 mircea_popescu: :p

05:16:27 mircea_popescu: yeah need someone who's practically a virgin

05:17:08 mod6: ah ok. thanks for checking though.

05:18:40 asciilifeform: zoolag: 54 bucephalus: 19

05:20:58 mircea_popescu: 188.68.240.159 got 15 (if we're talking connections)

05:22:09 asciilifeform: this leads me to unpleasant 'we are a parallel universe' line of thought

05:22:51 asciilifeform: how many boxes might we suppose presently exist that are honestly describable as a bitcoin node ?

05:23:13 asciilifeform: i.e. no 'headers-first' or other gavinisms, no ssl or other hearnias, etc

05:24:49 cazalla: mircea_popescu, obviously 50 windows and ran the commands in each one multiple times

05:26:26 cazalla: seriously though, tried to cook it on 14.04, nfi if that is why i had issues but probable given guide is for 10.04

05:27:16 cazalla: can settle for 12.04 but steam does not work on 10.04 so useless for me for desktop

05:27:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00074411 = 14.0265 BTC [-]

05:32:16 mircea_popescu: aha

05:32:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, like a dozen i guess.

05:33:27 mircea_popescu: cazalla did the first step (compiling cal3d) return with errors ?

05:33:34 mircea_popescu: sorry, cs not cal3d

05:34:12 cazalla: i wouldn't even know tbh

05:34:26 cazalla: spat out all manner of shit that might as well be in another language

05:35:05 cazalla: configure.in didn't have a line with AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP to comment out either

05:35:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11082 @ 0.00074758 = 8.2847 BTC [+]

05:36:17 cazalla: i'll dig another hdd out the garage to install 10.04 on and try again

06:24:31 punkman: hmm, I see the backup gremlins have been working extra hard the last couple weeks

06:42:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00074383 = 60.7709 BTC [-] {5}

06:49:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17243 @ 0.00074694 = 12.8795 BTC [+] {2}

06:50:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00074758 = 2.4491 BTC [+]

06:53:15 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

06:53:19 gribble: Current Blocks: 375438 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1553 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

06:58:43 cazalla: https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/644971360008011776

07:24:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7181 @ 0.00074758 = 5.3684 BTC [+]

07:29:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0007435 = 4.3867 BTC [-]

07:44:56 punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/08/pr0n_app_takes_blackmail_pics_ransom/

07:44:57 assbot: URRGH! Evil app WATCHES YOU WATCHING PORN, snaps your grimace • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1gFmS3O )

08:03:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007435 = 4.1636 BTC [-]

08:35:17 punkman: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/21/us-japan-security-idUSKCN0RL08Z20150921

08:35:18 assbot: Support for Japan’s Abe sags after security bills passed | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk9065 )

08:35:26 punkman: "Public support for Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe fell after the passage of controversial national security bills, which could let troops fight overseas for the first time since the end of World War Two"

08:39:02 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPX6YVcUAAEMpa7.jpg:large "Life vests left by refugees on Lesbos, Greece"

08:39:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr4p7X )

08:39:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00074333 = 19.4009 BTC [-] {3}

08:47:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00074758 = 6.3171 BTC [+]

08:56:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00074325 = 36.0476 BTC [-]

09:01:16 punkman: "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party."

09:01:52 punkman: https://twitter.com/charltonbrooker/status/645738919426920448

09:04:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00074325 = 13.2299 BTC [-]

09:04:59 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPYb1X1W8AAs3ps.jpg:large

09:04:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr5GMx )

09:29:28 fluffypony: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lrjeg/psa_i_end_up_losing_17_on_p2p_lending_sites_after/

09:29:29 assbot: [PSA] I end up losing 17% on P2P lending sites after 2 months. I strongly advise avoiding using them if you are a lender. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr76ql )

09:29:30 fluffypony: that is truly surprising

09:29:32 fluffypony: I'm so surprised

09:29:35 fluffypony: this is my surprised face

09:30:49 mircea_popescu: supa suparised.

09:30:58 mircea_popescu: !up ffmad

09:40:07 shinohai: Lending to gamblers is always a great idea, fluffypony

09:41:09 punkman: I thought you were supposed to only lose ~20% a year

09:44:55 punkman: "How many investments did auto-invest make for you?" "About 30 on BTCJam. I'm hoping to turn the loss into profit with the Law of Big Numbers though I'm not optimistic."

09:46:13 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

09:50:34 fluffypony: lol

09:51:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16304 @ 0.00074518 = 12.1494 BTC [+]

10:01:25 cazalla: Invested:0.17 BTC.. almost like scammers trying to out-invest fellow scammers but get scammed themselves

10:04:11 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 22.28508574 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b21

10:05:00 mircea_popescu: the fellowsheep of the scamvestor

10:05:21 mircea_popescu: the irony being that all this is EXACTLY like silicon valley vc / generally vc.

10:05:37 mircea_popescu: except those schmucks don't have friends in the printer house.

10:06:06 shinohai: http://www.coindesk.com/quiz-do-you-know-the-basics-of-bitcoin/ <<< For so,e reason I can't see this

10:06:07 assbot: Quiz: Do You Know the Basics of Bitcoin? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd3ons )

10:06:49 shinohai: 21 friggin scripts just to view an article. Fuck you coindesk.

10:07:12 mircea_popescu: obviously you don't know the basics of webcoin.

10:08:12 cazalla: half expected to get some CPA offer at the end of that quiz shinohai

10:08:42 cazalla: then again, have ublock going so it probably had one but was blocked

10:08:50 shinohai: Or "Congrats, you passed! Here's some VC monies to get started."

10:09:02 *: cazalla tries again without ublock

10:10:02 fluffypony: how is knowing about BitLicense a "basic" of Bitcoin?

10:11:06 fluffypony: what a stupid quiz

10:11:17 shinohai: I like mircea_popescu 's quiz better.

10:11:20 cazalla: fluffypony, shut up, i got 10/10 ok, i'm a certified expert now http://i.imgur.com/D5lGwFS.png

10:11:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NO6Zqv )

10:11:28 fluffypony: so did I

10:11:40 fluffypony: and I didn't become a certified anything :-P

10:16:05 mircea_popescu: im trying to think what'd be more irrelevant to bitcoin than "bitlicense".

10:16:07 mircea_popescu: ethereum, perhaps.

10:16:10 mircea_popescu: bitcoinxt

10:16:57 mircea_popescu: o check it out, 2/3 items in cazalla's screenshot are about usgavin's scamcoin. and wtf is sabr.io

10:17:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00074471 = 20.9636 BTC [-] {3}

10:17:40 shinohai: sabr.io is that new venture that promises to help LE track down bitcoin criminals.

10:17:57 cazalla: "SABR monitors multiple blockchains to identify and locate criminal activity."

10:18:32 shinohai: http://www.coindesk.com/startup-sabr-io-could-have-caught-silk-road-founder-in-days/

10:18:33 assbot: Startup Sabr.io is Helping to Catch Bitcoin's Criminals ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd4Cio )

10:26:25 mircea_popescu: hm, anyone with a bunch of time on his hands wanna do some social media work for me ?

10:27:05 mircea_popescu: lol could have caught my foot.

10:27:29 mircea_popescu: !up Anduck

10:27:35 mircea_popescu: yo anduck what are you doing these days ?

10:27:47 kakobrekla: !rated Anduck

10:27:47 assbot: You rated user Anduck on 22-Dec-2014, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works..

10:28:03 mircea_popescu: that, i know.

10:28:07 kakobrekla: k

10:29:08 mircea_popescu: where's vexual when you need him.

10:30:38 shinohai: mircea_popescu: What sort of social media work may I ask?

10:30:50 mircea_popescu: deviant art.

10:31:32 shinohai: Kewl.

10:31:38 mircea_popescu: specifically : i need a large drawing to illustrate "death" in eulora. the job is to trawl the entire fucking site until you find GOOD, gothy-like drawings of at least 2k px wide, and show them to me

10:31:59 mircea_popescu: if i like em, ask the author if he'd like to have it featured in game, bring him over here, he gets some btc dust, all is well.

10:32:22 mircea_popescu: basically spend all day clicking through deviant art.

10:33:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00074325 = 26.1624 BTC [-]

10:33:34 shinohai: I'll trawl some and see what I find. That artist that drew your bitcoin collage can't draw "death" ?

10:33:45 mircea_popescu: of course he can.

10:34:03 mircea_popescu: but i'd rather give some guy a chance to strike a conversation with deeply disturbed 16 yo girls first.

10:34:58 shinohai: xD

10:36:10 mircea_popescu: oh, i thought you meant jason juta, the guy that made the thing http://minigame.bz/splash.png was based off.

10:36:23 mircea_popescu: the bitcoin collage was actually drawn by a chick.

10:36:52 shinohai: http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs17/i/2012/171/b/6/angel_of_death_aka_grim_reaper_by_sinslave-dimt0u.jpg <<< I like this death already.

10:36:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6jfR )

10:37:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't really want line art. i want stuff more like that yeah

10:37:45 mircea_popescu: actually that one's not half bad.

10:37:47 mircea_popescu: ask the author.

10:38:10 mircea_popescu: tho if you had any sense you'd stick to womenz.

10:38:41 *: shinohai will attempt to find women that aren't sjw's and insane on deviantart

10:39:07 mircea_popescu: what's wrong with sjw ? :D

10:40:06 davout: hello

10:40:17 mircea_popescu: ohai.

10:40:34 davout: "if we don't have a plausible scaling story soon, banks are going to start experimenting with permissioned blockchains."

10:40:42 mircea_popescu: ONOES

10:40:59 mircea_popescu: how about banks start experimenting with fitting my cock up their uvula.

10:41:01 davout: every single time I think reddit has hit the bottom, it out-stupids itself

10:41:02 mircea_popescu: it's going there anyway.

10:41:13 davout: and digs moar

10:41:16 mircea_popescu: anyway, bbl.

10:41:27 shinohai: I like this one too, and she is Spanish female: http://orig05.deviantart.net/e250/f/2012/314/8/0/angel_of_death_by_maiarcita-d4vfk40.jpg

10:41:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6GHl )

10:41:54 mircea_popescu: shinohai not bad but wrong proportion. i need landscape that's portrait.

10:41:56 punkman: here's an artist suggestion http://problemglyphs.org/

10:41:58 assbot: Problem Glyphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6Iii )

10:43:42 davout: mircea_popescu: liked the "You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth." a lot

10:44:12 davout: also pls to x.eur, we're the 21st...

10:50:34 cazalla: http://joakimericsson.deviantart.com/art/Four-Horsemen-Death-355293920 probably not what you want size wise

10:50:35 assbot: Four Horsemen - Death by JoakimEricsson on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpdWyh )

10:52:28 cazalla: http://orig14.deviantart.net/d84d/f/2013/023/a/1/alone_in_the_wasteland__sacrifice_of_the_innocents_by_joakimericsson-d5sgq5b.jpg

10:52:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oped4a )

10:57:03 jurov: hi davout, i requested x.eur delivery, still not on paymium

10:57:29 jurov: or it's waiting on mircea too?

11:07:28 mircea_popescu: davout ah yes, here you are! ok euroing.

11:07:59 mircea_popescu: you know who else liked it a lot ? twitter, apaprently!

11:08:00 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/fraudsters/status/645573044300304384

11:08:51 shinohai: How have I been here ~6 moths and never found the fraudsters twitter account.

11:09:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00075107 = 20.5042 BTC [+] {5}

11:09:28 mircea_popescu: because new chick on the block (social media expert in civil life) insisted to make a bunch of those shits YESTERDAY

11:10:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43004 @ 0.00074206 = 31.9115 BTC [-] {3}

11:10:28 punkman: did she buy a bunch of retweets?

11:11:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4792 @ 0.00074113 = 3.5515 BTC [-]

11:14:42 danielpbarron: speaking of social media, allow me the first to mention that #BaeOfPigs is a thing, and probably the best hashtag ever conceived

11:16:02 punkman: pretty good :D

11:16:13 cazalla: sheeit, poor gavin relegated to the edges of the photoshoot https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPMCxcjUEAAISNo.jpg:large

11:16:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkooiR )

11:16:48 shinohai: Goog God Gavin is a Fat Fuck, isn't he?

11:18:42 cazalla: i get the impression charlie lee and bobby lee are brothers in the sense some white american couple bought them from an orphanage or something

11:27:15 mircea_popescu: davout you should be all set.

11:27:34 mircea_popescu: punkman looking at it i guess she must have.

11:28:01 mircea_popescu: which is weird because where the fuck would she get moneyz.

11:28:48 *: mircea_popescu idly hoovered over the faces, saw various VC minded folks, didn't realise retweets are a different rubric.

11:29:03 punkman: could be some kind of spamtweet exchange too. tweet shit, get credits, spend em on other tweets

11:29:03 mircea_popescu: it now occurs to me this is maybe not even coincidental.

11:29:15 mircea_popescu: o you know... damn.

11:29:23 mircea_popescu: so that's what they do on the cellphones all day.

11:29:38 mircea_popescu: !up VariaVarietatis

11:30:48 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what's bae of pigs ?

11:31:16 punkman: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280804

11:31:16 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 09:01:16; punkman: "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party."

11:31:19 mircea_popescu: cazalla at least he fattened nicely.

11:31:33 mircea_popescu: o

11:33:19 kakobrekla: i lost track of node, are dulap, zoolag and incitatus still in game?

11:33:24 kakobrekla: nodes

11:33:27 VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: I got a question about one of the footnotes in that article vi if peter is trading away 80% of his company to Richard for 1m at a 5m valuation?(number she used) but selling it at a 20% discount does that mean the term value is 4m and the valuation is 5m how does that work?

11:33:33 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla except for dulap iirc.

11:33:36 kakobrekla: ok

11:34:01 mircea_popescu: VariaVarietatis peter's company ?

11:35:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, 20% discount because he gets to own 20% of the million he brought himself, as well as of richard's company.

11:35:19 mircea_popescu: he doesn't trade 1mn for 20% of richard's company. he trades 1mn for 20% of richard's company and 20% of 1mn.

11:36:43 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but there's also my unnamed one as well as bucephalus or w/e the recent one got called.

11:40:58 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/ROCLASI/status/645882306163515392

11:43:36 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280729 < hope i got this right http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes

11:43:36 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 04:06:16; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280658 << for wiki ?

11:43:37 assbot: the_real_bitcoin:nodes [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkrP9b )

11:43:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00074681 = 2.8005 BTC [+]

11:45:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22310 @ 0.00075224 = 16.7825 BTC [+]

11:49:38 VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: so he gets 200k cash 800k goes into the company account richard gets 80% peter gets 20% going from PP1 to PP2 here? also how does the note part work I thought notes didn't get converted into equity until the company investors or is he filling his own note? still lost.

11:49:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 35150 @ 0.00024109 = 8.4743 BTC [-]

11:49:58 mircea_popescu: he gets no cash.

11:50:03 mircea_popescu: well at least not normally.

11:50:38 VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: where does the 200k go?

11:50:59 mircea_popescu: nowhere.

11:51:38 shinohai: thx kakobrekla for making list.

11:51:55 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla missing 188.68.240.159

11:52:23 kakobrekla: which one is that, does it have a name?

11:52:41 mircea_popescu: it's mine.

11:52:53 kakobrekla: ok

11:52:54 mircea_popescu: i never named it.

11:52:59 kakobrekla: you just did

11:53:12 mircea_popescu: whatever.b-a.link ?

11:54:17 kakobrekla: added

11:54:52 mircea_popescu: worx

11:55:07 VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: so the company only gets 20% of the 1mn, what about the other 80% where does that come in?

11:55:36 mircea_popescu: dude. richard has a fish. peter has a million. they make a deal, now peter has 20% of (fish+million).

11:56:03 mircea_popescu: so he paid 1mn for 20% of fish + 20% of million. so he paid in the end 800k for 20% of fish, so he got fish at 1mn with 20% discount.

12:00:02 *: mircea_popescu is bbl.

12:03:04 davout: !up VariaVarietatis

12:03:52 davout: VariaVarietatis: when it's said peter owns 20% of the million after the deal, he owns it indirectly through richard's company that owns 1mn, he now owns 20% of

12:12:36 VariaVarietatis: davout: think got it. was getting mixed up thinking only 800k went in

12:12:44 davout: /r/buttcoin seems slightly butthurt about this jstolfi leaving situation... https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3log4j/ujstolfi_goes_the_way_of_whollyhemp_after_death/cv8bzkr?context=3

12:12:45 assbot: davout-bc comments on /u/jstolfi goes the way of whollyhemp after death threats from scientologists ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkvIuB )

12:12:52 VariaVarietatis: but discount comes from owning it after the money is already in.

12:13:21 davout: VariaVarietatis: to me it's just a confusing way of saying exactly the same thing

12:22:53 funkenstein_: Them footnotes made me think for a moment Ted Nelson's vision is finally springing to life :)

12:25:24 funkenstein_: good morning WoT cattle *tips hat*

12:28:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35790 @ 0.00075224 = 26.9227 BTC [+]

12:41:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00074113 = 21.3445 BTC [-] {2}

12:46:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00074016 = 29.1623 BTC [-] {3}

13:03:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13196 @ 0.00074002 = 9.7653 BTC [-]

13:11:04 davout: jurov: is mpex dead for you too? (empty stats)

13:36:53 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.04307875 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 8th October - http://bitbet.us/bet/1202/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b7

13:39:38 asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280942 << nope. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-09-2015#1277110

13:39:38 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 11:43:36; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280729 < hope i got this right http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes

13:39:38 assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 00:37:40; asciilifeform: over, for the time being. zoolag @ 173.73.235.152:8333.

13:39:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:42:04 kakobrekla: fixed

13:42:08 asciilifeform: ty

13:43:15 asciilifeform: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos << frightfully out of date, prolly ought to be zapped

13:43:16 assbot: 0.5.3-todos [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuoDJM )

13:46:12 kakobrekla: done

13:46:39 jurov: davout: don't see it (but yes, happens)

13:48:55 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: is there a link to therealbitcoin.org in there ?

13:49:48 kakobrekla: search says no.

13:52:40 davout: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3WZ461M.txt

13:52:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KupUk9 )

13:52:41 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu if you are running the item described in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269180 this would handily explain why your node is so easily wedged. it lacks the db locks fix (and, on top of this, still stores fucking orphan tx, even)

13:52:41 assbot: Logged on 10-09-2015 02:07:13; mircea_popescu: hm you know i think you're right, this is an older thing

13:52:41 deedbot-: accepted: 1

13:52:41 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:54:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00074278 = 26.5172 BTC [+]

13:57:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00074002 = 24.6797 BTC [-]

14:00:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00074459 = 30.7516 BTC [+] {3}

14:03:32 asciilifeform: from the l0lfarmz: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/us/politics/george-w-bush-made-retroactive-nsa-fix-after-hospital-room-showdown.html

14:03:35 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kurxyk )

14:06:11 asciilifeform: 'Doxycycline, an antibiotic, went from $20 a bottle in October 2013 to $1,849 by April 2014, according to the two lawmakers.'

14:06:21 asciilifeform: (from same fishwrap, http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/business/a-huge-overnight-increase-in-a-drugs-price-raises-protests.html )

14:06:24 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KurX7R )

14:08:33 asciilifeform: 'This is not the first time the 32-year-old Mr. Shkreli, who has a reputation for both brilliance and brashness, has been the center of controversy. He started MSMB Capital, a hedge fund company, in his 20s and drew attention for urging the Food and Drug Administration not to approve certain drugs made by companies whose stock he was shorting.' << mega-l0l

14:13:58 asciilifeform: nothing like an inherited wealth vermin

14:22:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109650 @ 0.00073919 = 81.0522 BTC [-] {5}

14:28:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40207 @ 0.00073853 = 29.6941 BTC [-] {2}

14:31:51 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280751 << well ya, and aristotle's nicomachean ethics was more readable in greek. so what ? not like translations are targeted at readers of the tongue of the original. this article is for pretty much anyone who isn't stan, mp, or hanbot :)

14:31:51 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 04:55:05; asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated << i dare say the ro was more readable !!

14:32:36 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: also, http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/#comment-31039

14:32:38 assbot: The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kuwc3k )

14:35:13 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280754 << it isn't. but it doesn't help that my translation efforts are ~starting~ with post-phd-level writings THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCENTS

14:35:13 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 04:56:41; mircea_popescu: romanian not really pete's strong language is it ?

14:36:02 pete_dushenski: it's like trying to read straight torah right out of the scrolls without ever having seen a layperson's text that distinguishing 'bet' from 'vet'

14:36:49 pete_dushenski: in other news, http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/20/us-health-dementia-idUSKCN0RK15220150920

14:36:49 assbot: A third of Britons born in 2015 will develop dementia: study | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuwQh2 )

14:37:42 pete_dushenski: see ? socialism is statistically guaranteed to rot your brain. even socialists agree.

14:48:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00073791 = 18.4846 BTC [-] {3}

14:56:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.0007376 = 12.7605 BTC [-]

14:57:17 pete_dushenski: http://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/20150919/54436644972/mas-colell-espana-obligada-pagar-pensiones-catalunya-independiente.html << bahaha. o man, wtf does 'la independencia

14:57:18 assbot: Mas-Colell dice que España está obligada a pagar las pensiones ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuAk39 )

14:57:28 pete_dushenski: ' mean to the people ?

15:07:50 punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/21/amazon_medical_gaffe/

15:07:51 assbot: Techie finds 1.5 MEELLION US medical records exposed on AWS • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuBY54 )

15:07:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.0007487 = 11.3428 BTC [+] {3}

15:15:07 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280793 << since details are so utterly lacking on 'el reg' >> http://research.zscaler.com/2015/09/more-adult-themed-android-ransomware.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zscaler%2Fresearch+%28Zscaler+Research%29

15:15:07 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 07:44:56; punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/08/pr0n_app_takes_blackmail_pics_ransom/

15:15:08 assbot: Zscaler Research: More Adult Themed Android Ransomware ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuDm7B )

15:16:06 pete_dushenski: naturally, it uses paypal

15:16:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00075235 = 9.3291 BTC [+]

15:25:29 pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller

15:28:09 pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."

15:30:25 pete_dushenski: and in still other news, "Apple has published a workaround after some iPhone and iPad users were left stranded in the middle of the iOS 9 update process. The Cupertino giant has acknowledged multiple complaints that devices were unable to progress past the "Slide to Upgrade" screen when moving to the latest version of iOS. Apple's remedy: wipe your device and hope you made a backup."

15:34:40 gernika: And this is actually ok because the contents of their devices is *worthless*.

15:35:05 pete_dushenski: perhaps objectively

15:53:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00073954 = 6.434 BTC [-]

15:56:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25092 @ 0.00073732 = 18.5008 BTC [-] {4}

16:13:39 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

16:14:25 BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller

16:14:55 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281036 << amd opteron is the single most precarious 'strategic good' in my particular household (can't speak for others)

16:14:55 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."

16:16:01 ascii_field: the one and only workstation-class chip that will run 100% blobless

16:18:27 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281021 << it is necessary to somehow explain why virtually all of the mathematics worth anything whatsoever in 20th c. happened under the red flag

16:18:27 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 14:37:42; pete_dushenski: see ? socialism is statistically guaranteed to rot your brain. even socialists agree.

16:19:34 thestringpuller: been syncing blockchain on essentially raspberry pi for 33 days and 1 hour

16:19:50 ascii_field: raspi is an astonishing piece of shit

16:20:04 thestringpuller: It's not a raspi just in terms of power it's about a rasbpi

16:20:13 thestringpuller: it's a VPS but it's smallest footprint size

16:21:58 thestringpuller: even so it's going to cost about 80 bucks to sync a full blockchain from zulag or dulap - genesis to current.

16:22:04 thestringpuller: at the very least*

16:22:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00073579 = 58.017 BTC [-] {3}

16:22:46 ascii_field: thestringpuller: -connect ?

16:22:53 thestringpuller: yes with -connect

16:23:15 ascii_field: ftr i don't get the point of running a node on vps

16:23:55 thestringpuller: better internet.

16:24:30 thestringpuller: i.e. more uptime, not all of us have business internet in our houses :P

16:24:38 ascii_field: it is rather like 'all you can eat soup' but with no spoon and your hands tied behind your back.

16:25:00 thestringpuller: who cares if I have to eat like a dog for a single sync

16:25:05 thestringpuller: at least I have valid blockchain :P

16:25:18 thestringpuller: i.e. soup won't be poisoned

16:25:28 ascii_field: and you know this how ?

16:26:18 thestringpuller: VPS can magically change running code and storage? dis VPS skynet now?

16:26:36 ascii_field: nothing magic about it

16:26:47 thestringpuller: If VPS is magically changing blockchain the client would wedge which it has not...

16:27:54 ascii_field: does not follow.

16:28:18 thestringpuller: this magical attack vector doesn't seem feasible

16:28:37 thestringpuller: to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks...

16:29:02 ascii_field: how often your machine validates ancient blocks ?

16:29:08 BingoBoingo: ^

16:29:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00075235 = 26.7837 BTC [+]

16:29:30 ascii_field: (if you think this happens on boot, you are mistaken - read the source.)

16:29:54 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Someone else runs the real machine your "virtual machine" runs on

16:30:34 thestringpuller: ascii_field: I will find out when I do --validate on the blocks on my local machine.

16:30:45 thestringpuller: there is more science to be done to minimize risk

16:32:35 ascii_field: validate ?

16:33:31 thestringpuller: tis a joke

16:35:32 thestringpuller: the actual command is -checkblocks=0 no? (check all blocks on startup)

16:37:37 ascii_field: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp#0587

16:37:39 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/db.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mmf1nr )

16:38:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00075235 = 6.0188 BTC [+]

16:42:22 thestringpuller: ascii_field: so it doesn't actually validate all the blocks? if I'm reading correctly it goes through all blocks in "best chain" if checkblocks is selected...

16:43:23 ascii_field: aha

16:44:22 thestringpuller: am i close? (that's what she said)

16:44:28 ascii_field: close

16:46:40 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

16:46:44 BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller

16:48:35 thestringpuller: i guess I don't fully grok ascii_field

16:48:41 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu lulzy: urbit's bastard gossipd: http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/home/tree/pub/release-0/materials/whitepaper#a-ames-networking

16:48:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:48:58 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu their bastard 'v' : http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/home/tree/pub/release-0/materials/whitepaper#c-clay-filesystem

16:49:00 assbot: Tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mmg4nc )

16:49:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:49:58 ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.

16:50:59 ascii_field: 'With this mechanism, Urbit can update a distributed system (such as our own :talk network), upgrading both applications and protocols, silently without user intervention or notification. ' << itching to try this yet ?

16:52:25 ascii_field: 'A sufficiently smart optimizer doesn't need to optimize every Nock formula that could calculate a decrement function. It only needs to optimize one: the one we actually run. The only one we run is the one compiled from the decrement function ++dec in the Hoon standard library. So there's no sense in which our sufficiently smart optimizer needs to analyze Nock formulas to see if they're decrement formulas. It only needs

16:52:26 ascii_field: to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha.

16:52:28 ascii_field: same old.

16:53:06 ascii_field: '... And jets do not have to be correlated with built-in or low-level functionality; for instance, Urbit has a markdown parser jet.'

16:53:08 ascii_field: srsly??!!!

16:53:33 ascii_field: 'let's run same old idiot c-machine but with sprinkle of haskell on top for flavour'

16:54:58 ascii_field: 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom')

16:55:29 ascii_field: i suppose destroyers and frigates were too right-wing yet, for the new mr mold

16:55:54 ascii_field: somehow it has to be more 'neutral flavour' while yet more megalomaniacal. hence stellar objects.

16:57:26 ascii_field: ok this is precious,

16:57:27 ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.'

16:57:35 ascii_field: 'For instance, bitcoin prevents double-spending with global mining costs in multiple dollars per transaction (as of 2015). Trusted transaction intermediation is an easily implemented service whose cost is a tiny fraction of this. And the transaction velocity of money is high; transactions in land are far more rare.'

16:58:18 *: ascii_field has had enough for one sitting.

16:58:42 thestringpuller: ascii_field: don't want you to have a stroke now...

16:59:29 ascii_field: i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions

16:59:46 ascii_field: because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not.

17:06:20 ascii_field: 'In February 2003, the FBI assigned a team of FBI personnel --- "Team 10" -- to work full-time at the NSA to manage the FBI's participation in the program. Team 10's primary responsiblity was to disseminate PSP information through [censored] ECs to FBI field offices for investigative or other purposes. However, over time, Team 10 began to participate in the PSP in other ways. For example, Team 10 occasionally submitted

17:06:20 ascii_field: telephone numbers and Internet communications addresses to the NSA to be searched against the bulk metadata collected under the PSP...'

17:06:25 ascii_field: ^ l0ltr0nic

17:07:01 ascii_field: (from earlier link, https://cryptome.org/2015/09/nsa-stellarwind-ig-nyt-15-0919.pdf -- official release! the parallel construction thing is not even an official secret any longer.)

17:17:38 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

17:17:42 BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller

17:24:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00075235 = 17.0407 BTC [+]

17:42:48 deedbot-: [Qntra] Bet Over Ethereum's Survival Rockets Past 100 BTC in Wagers - http://qntra.net/2015/09/bet-over-ethereums-survival-rockets-past-100-btc-in-wagers/

17:43:18 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: Etheruem ?

17:43:32 BingoBoingo: fuck

17:43:53 BingoBoingo: How is it actually spelled?

17:44:08 ascii_field: like in the title iirc

17:44:59 BingoBoingo: fixed

17:53:29 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:10:23 shinohai: !s https://medium.com/quantum-bits/break-rsa-encryption-with-this-one-weird-trick-d955e3394870

18:10:29 assbot: Break RSA encryption with this one weird trick — Quantum Bits — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkJZwA )

18:10:30 assbot: 0 results for 'https://medium.com/quantum-bits/break-rsa-encryption-with-this-one-weird-trick-d955e3394870' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2Fquantum-bits%2Fbreak-rsa-encryption-with-this-one-weird-trick-d955e3394870

18:11:22 ascii_field: shor is old nyoo

18:11:23 ascii_field: z

18:11:31 ascii_field: go, build.

18:13:36 shinohai: I found it to be a mealy-mouth article. Was wondering if it had been discussed and I missed those bits.

18:14:47 ascii_field: !s rsa pill

18:14:48 assbot: 9 results for 'rsa pill' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rsa+pill

18:14:51 ascii_field: ^ see logz

18:16:12 ascii_field: phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring.

18:16:23 ascii_field: merely conjecture.

18:19:38 BingoBoingo: Oh https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3ltxhd/bet_over_ethereums_survival_rockets_past_100_btc/

18:19:39 assbot: Bet Over Ethereum's Survival Rockets Past 100 BTC in Wagers : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkLnzs )

18:22:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00074013 = 13.5444 BTC [-]

18:22:15 shinohai: ^ kek

18:25:30 shinohai: !up ascii_field

18:30:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00074013 = 3.3306 BTC [-]

18:33:46 phf: it's interesting to see how fast urbit "turned" both politically and on technical questions. markdown jet? choosing markdown is a copout in itself (there's a naggum rant where he says that plaintext markup languages are designed by people who don't understand NLP), but why would you outsource something so traditional as a text blob parser? seems like an opportunity to showcase your language's text manipulation facilities, etc.

18:34:27 ascii_field: i am not sure about the political, but on technical questions it was DOA

18:34:59 ascii_field: (mr mold's 2010 notes are still up, http://moronlab.blogspot.com - decide for yourself)

18:35:00 assbot: Moron Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1YvZesU )

18:39:58 phf: on technical merits i thought it was kind of like if evola fans started writing their own operating system in INTERCAL (with apologies to don woods) hosted on top of brainfuck vm, a dadaist project where impracticality and absurd were the main driving force behind decisions. the reality turned out to be a lot more banal

18:40:15 ascii_field: not far from the facts though.

18:40:57 ascii_field: i followed the project for years largely on account of NOBODY-else-is-pissing-on-backwards-compat

18:43:00 HeySteve: BingoBoingo, you're going to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like that

18:48:18 phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself..

18:48:49 phf: *the only member remaining

18:51:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00075136 = 22.8413 BTC [+] {3}

18:54:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13994 @ 0.00074013 = 10.3574 BTC [-]

18:59:17 lobbes: !up ascii_field

18:59:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26094 @ 0.00073588 = 19.2021 BTC [-]

19:07:01 jurov: !up King_Rex

19:07:32 *: jurov throws ein kaiser mit schinken

19:10:52 phf: ascii_field: what'd you think of quality of lisp in "land of lisp"?

19:11:12 ascii_field: good book for a kid

19:14:21 phf: i did technical review for it, which was pretty stressful. barsky is a poliglot and writes with a lot of grahamisms, so i rewrote a lot of bits to make them more "common lisp", though i don't think i fully reached that goal

19:14:35 ascii_field: it is a spiffy book

19:17:51 phf: yeah, we bonded over the need for more books that are kind of like "writing games in basic" on one hand, but use sensible technologies

19:19:40 phf: fits in head™

19:30:52 lobbes: !up ascii_field

19:36:31 lobbes: jurov throws ein kaiser mit schinke << kein Käse?

19:39:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14521 @ 0.00073933 = 10.7358 BTC [+]

19:46:35 BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> BingoBoingo, you're going to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like that << Thank you

19:49:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29051 @ 0.00075202 = 21.8469 BTC [+] {3}

20:02:27 jurov: Rex mag kein Käse.

20:02:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00075165 = 16.6115 BTC [-]

20:07:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16739 @ 0.0007404 = 12.3936 BTC [-] {3}

20:10:25 BingoBoingo: !up King_Rex

20:10:28 BingoBoingo: !Up ascii_field

20:10:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25011 @ 0.00073705 = 18.4344 BTC [-]

20:21:01 BingoBoingo: Lol ascii_field USG has its own pogo now too https://archive.is/zDd5y

20:21:02 assbot: 21 Inc Announces 'Bitcoin Computer' for Developers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wec5hk )

20:21:24 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: they had a shitpogo earlier

20:21:39 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: This is a newer stinkier shit pogo

20:22:05 BingoBoingo: Difference appears to be mouse shit versus moose shit

20:22:11 ascii_field: these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they.

20:22:29 BingoBoingo: "The product will include a Wi-Fi adapter, RPi 2, power supply, USB-to-laptop cable and 128GB SD card, and come equipped with a "factory-installed" copy of the blockchain. It is not known how much hashing power the miner generates."

20:22:30 BingoBoingo: Yes

20:22:57 BingoBoingo: "The reason you can do these things so quickly is because the 21 Bitcoin Computer includes a built-in 21 mining chip (so you can easily buy things for bitcoin)"

20:23:25 ascii_field: all hail the gavincoin asics

20:23:34 ascii_field: includes hearniated client for phree!

20:23:54 BingoBoingo: "factory-isntall"Chain

20:24:10 ascii_field: aha. how else.

20:24:52 BingoBoingo: The 128 GB SD card is prolly not going to last that long

20:24:53 jurov: they are never going to fully validate blockchain on SD card

20:25:03 jurov: not even 1M one

20:25:03 ascii_field: who said anything about validation

20:25:12 ascii_field: or rather, 'validation' to these folks means something quite else

20:25:13 BingoBoingo: No need to validate, Factory installed

20:25:17 ascii_field: 'zap terrorist transactions'

20:26:05 BingoBoingo: !up psztorc

20:26:20 BingoBoingo: !up ShawnLeary

20:27:18 BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller

20:27:22 thestringpuller: ascii_field: https://21.co/ << prepare to have seizure

20:27:38 thestringpuller: oh you are lolling over it already

20:27:49 ascii_field: looks like a snorefest so far

20:28:03 thestringpuller: all this VC money is just being flushed down the toilet

20:28:28 thestringpuller: You'd be better off wiping your ass with alpaca socks than buying into this nonsense.

20:28:46 ascii_field: thestringpuller: this is just usg's answer to 'china refuses to mine gavincoin or run hearnia client'

20:28:56 shinohai: So what does that thing do that a pogo can't ?

20:29:08 ascii_field: take compulsory remote updates from usg ?

20:29:13 shinohai: hue

20:29:28 ascii_field: mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ?

20:29:46 thestringpuller: ascii_field: take compulsory remote updates from usg ? << srsly. it's backed by Cisco aka Spookware Incorporated.

20:29:51 thestringpuller: Who could ever trust this device...

20:29:54 ascii_field: 'Yes, you can indeed make a profit with the 21 Bitcoin Computer. However, you would do so not by directly selling bitcoin, but by selling digital goods for bitcoin. That is, you are not going to get rich by immediately selling the bitcoin mined by the device for offline currency, but you can potentially do very well by selling digital goods and services to others for their bitcoin. ' << hilarious. worth a read, for the lulz

20:29:55 phf: it's got an obligatory "connected to macbook pro" picture for one

20:30:23 ascii_field: 'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit'

20:30:58 ascii_field: 'your margins on bitcoin earned by selling digital goods and services with the 21 Bitcoin Computer are likely going to be much better than your margins from bitcoin mined with the 21 Bitcoin Computer. That is because the 21 Bitcoin Computer allows you to use bitcoin as a true digital currency for taking worldwide payment for your APIs. The mined bitcoin just provides continuous liquidity into the system. '

20:31:07 shinohai: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058 <<< TradeFortress banned for mentioning theymos' dox ?

20:31:09 assbot: View the profile of Tf | Banned for mentioning theymo.s dox ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wedep1 )

20:31:10 ascii_field: i lack the lsd to properly grasp what is being spoken of here.

20:31:43 thestringpuller: ascii_field: they are trying to use mining as a way to hedge your investment by giving you access to inflation as you sell shit for btc.

20:32:15 shinohai: How is that thing going to mine ANY appreciable mount of btc

20:32:19 thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners

20:32:53 phf: ascii_field: i think it's just written for "guy on a street" layman. "no you can't mine bitcoins anymore, because it's totally unprofitable without a giant asic farm, but you can use this thing to buy and sell bitcoins"

20:33:22 shinohai: Like, you know, a *regular bitcoin client*

20:33:23 ascii_field: at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day.

20:33:38 phf: i.e. target audience is rpi crowd with no unix, bitcoin, etc. experience. see also "maker" thread

20:33:59 thestringpuller: yea. so you get 0.0012 btc/day, and while you sell shit with the computer it kinda buffers it.

20:34:17 thestringpuller: basically they are hedging on you selling shit for btc to make it pay for the computer which is fucktarded.

20:34:20 ascii_field: even for a scam, this stretches the bounds of the plausible

20:34:26 thestringpuller: no point in including an asic

20:34:41 ascii_field: sell ~what~ with it

20:34:49 thestringpuller: Your API's man!

20:35:00 ascii_field: and what happened to the fucking light bulb

20:35:06 ascii_field: now ~that~ was a quality chumpatron

20:35:11 thestringpuller: So you can post naked pix to instagram through snapchat using twitter and facebook

20:35:29 thestringpuller: and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it!

20:35:34 thestringpuller: REVOLUTIONARY MAN

20:35:39 thestringpuller: you just don't understand innovation ascii_field

20:35:52 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lucwl/21co_website_has_just_been_updated_introducing/cv9do2i

20:35:54 assbot: Naviers_Stoked comments on 21.co website has just been updated: "Introducing the first bitcoin computer" ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM0Iek )

20:35:54 ascii_field: if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it

20:36:48 ascii_field: the hidden functionality of this thing ought to be an entertaining lulzmine

20:37:06 phf: ascii_field: you're too sane, to comprehend this madness. the way stupid thinks in this case, "want to sell bitcoin device, can't really make pogo, because no "value add", so must add some hardware to make it seem like useful hardware." of course they don't have enough sense to say add a ecc sig verifier asic, so add probably stolen miner asic code, which is not going to mine anything for anybody, hence the dodgy justification code.

20:37:33 phf: *justification text

20:38:35 trinque: that's a raspberry pi

20:39:38 ascii_field: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91aUgUqFTIL._SL1500_.jpg << daughterboard separate. middle of photo

20:39:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM1c3U )

20:40:00 ascii_field: presumably - the miner.

20:40:14 trinque: yup

20:41:18 trinque: raised 121.1M according to crunchbase

20:41:24 ascii_field: apparently they have a bastardized wot as well.

20:41:30 trinque: !up ascii_field

20:41:36 ascii_field: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RD021C << vendor page.

20:41:38 assbot: Amazon.com: The 21 Bitcoin Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM1qrM )

20:41:57 cazalla: FAQ sorta conflicts with the idea of making money with this thing by selling goods.. "we think payment in BTC is not as big an improvement at the present time over standard ways to purchase macroscopic physical goods."

20:42:11 ascii_field: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc6._SR1000,750_.jpg << knockoff of 'otc', sort-of.

20:42:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeeAjx )

20:42:53 phf: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc3b.jpg

20:42:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeeI2C )

20:43:17 thestringpuller: 125mn for this piece of shit?

20:43:28 thestringpuller: 125mn invested to produce this piece of shit*

20:43:43 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281194 <<< comes preloaded on sdcard

20:43:43 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:24:53; jurov: they are never going to fully validate blockchain on SD card

20:44:19 phf: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc8d._SR1062,670_.jpg << note that the tag on asic seems to be blurred, compared to very readable labels all around it

20:44:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM1Sq1 )

20:44:22 mike_c: they're pushing micropayments, not buy a $400 hunk of silicon.

20:44:37 ascii_field: mike_c: also pushing a usgized wot knockoff

20:44:39 ascii_field: and otc knockoff

20:45:02 mike_c: yeah.. the whole "not a mining pool" thing is weird

20:45:35 ascii_field: incidentally, i would not be the least bit astonished if the miner die contains a second, inactive circuit for an alternative workfunction

20:45:43 ascii_field: when usgcoin proper comes online.

20:46:23 ascii_field: the laughable hash rate will not matter ~then~.

20:47:09 mike_c: what was it, 140 ghs?

20:47:51 mike_c: ah, 50-125

20:47:56 mike_c: quite a range

20:48:17 ascii_field: aha, from reject pile at ft meade

20:48:54 ascii_field: (what commercial chip do you know of that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!)

20:49:27 ascii_field: so, to round off this hypothesis,

20:49:31 mike_c: maybe it's power dependant?

20:49:33 ascii_field: thing has an antifuse bridge inside

20:49:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.0007392 = 23.9501 BTC [+]

20:49:43 ascii_field: that will be blown by a future 'mandatory update'

20:49:47 mike_c: x volts = 50, y volts = 125?

20:49:50 ascii_field: permanently turning it into a usgcoin miner.

20:50:20 ascii_field: (useless for any other purpose, and, importantly, specifically nonfunctional for conventional bitcoin)

20:51:42 ascii_field: this will be hailed as a great leap forward by the redditard crowd, because difficulty in this altcoin will initially be very low, making their 50-125 appear to 'count for something'

20:53:06 mike_c: well, can't say that i'll be blowing 2 btc on it any time soon.

20:53:42 ascii_field: if my hypothesis is correct AND the makers have half a brain, there is nothing to be learned from buying the board presently. unless you have access to electron microscope.

20:53:58 mike_c: weren't you building one of those in your garage?

20:54:06 ascii_field: nope

20:54:15 ascii_field: i don't even have a garage.

20:54:25 mike_c: ah, first the pick and place, then the electron microscope :)

20:54:43 cazalla: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/09/21/21-inc-releases-first-product-a-bitcoin-computer/ "Mr. Horowitz compared the potential of this computer to early web browsers and his time helping build Netscape back in the 1990s."

20:54:44 assbot: 21 Inc. Releases First Product, a ‘Bitcoin Computer’ - MoneyBeat - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM3hgp )

20:55:12 ascii_field: cazalla: see log

20:56:04 cazalla: posted link as it contains some quotes, that's all

20:56:25 phf: (usg agents reading the logs, "ascii always have some good ideas for us")

20:56:53 trinque: "If I find fifty righteous people in Silicon Valley, I will spare the whole place for their sake."

20:57:07 ascii_field: phf: the light bulb miner iirc was suggested here.

20:57:36 mike_c: speaking of new hardware, how goes routing ascii_field?

20:57:44 cazalla: not to mention the fact bitbeat has been used to push all manner of scams

20:57:44 ascii_field: mike_c: very very slowly.

20:57:45 BingoBoingo: 63 GH/s and $56 https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020141017110427977rQGR3pcf06BE

20:57:48 assbot: BITMAIN ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM3FLN )

20:58:18 mike_c: ugh. maybe you should get a 21 and pay someone else to do it with your constant stream of bitcoin.

20:58:37 ascii_field: mike_c: typically i leave the thing grinding before going off to the minez and check on it in the evening.

20:58:42 ascii_field: very 1970s/batch-processy.

20:58:51 mike_c: heh. so it's mostly auto-routing?

20:59:07 ascii_field: 'auto' would be a lie. but nominally, yes.

21:00:11 ascii_field: phf et al: from my (admittedly very distant) perch, my understanding of usg's engineering problem is as follows

21:00:28 ascii_field: breaks into two parts: 1) create properly usgistic altcoin

21:00:48 ascii_field: 2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1)

21:00:56 ascii_field: the hard part is (2).

21:01:17 ascii_field: although i can easily imagine there being some disagreement among hitler's minions about the exact shape (1) ought to take

21:02:00 ascii_field: it is the siphoning that is the tricky bit.

21:10:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00075234 = 17.5671 BTC [+] {2}

21:13:17 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:19:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00075234 = 13.4067 BTC [+] {2}

21:20:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00075235 = 16.5517 BTC [+]

21:23:14 BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/21/17c9a4a078351735389d797dcf5b23f6.jpg

21:23:43 phf: ascii_field: aha

21:26:34 phf: BingoBoingo: all the fat whites that i've seen in turkey were american, literally every one of them would start speaking english at some point while we were watching. in fact approaching u.s. the number and variety of fat people increased dramatically up to the philadelphia saturation levels

21:27:37 BingoBoingo: phf: By Philadelphia saturation levels I assume you are referring to the "cream cheese" which helps them bulk to their size?

21:28:06 phf: philly cheese stake and microbrew beer culture

21:29:06 BingoBoingo: Ah

21:30:48 phf: i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types

21:32:30 BingoBoingo: I see. That must be rough.

21:39:17 phf: mostly amusing, at the local coworking i've probably seen all the stereotypes in flesh. girls with social sciences ph.d. doing research projects, guys pushing feminist rhetoric in every conversation, black transgender talking about white oppression, all manner of "you can do anything" mentality. it's like irl tumblr out there

21:39:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141100 @ 0.00075364 = 106.3386 BTC [+] {6}

21:39:41 BingoBoingo: fuck

21:40:41 BingoBoingo: So reading about how USG wants to expand VW's sphincter I can across this enviroscam for the first time http://www.volvotrucks.com/trucks/australia-market/en-au/trucks/environment/Emissions_technology/AdBlue/questions_answers/Pages/question6.aspx

21:40:44 assbot: question6 - Q&A : Volvo Trucks - Australia ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwueZN )

21:41:41 phf: there's an organic food coop here, with stereotypes buying groceries from stereotypes selling it. you'd have a field day

21:42:42 BingoBoingo: "If the AdBlue tank is not topped up at this point ? we recommend a minimum top up of at least 3 litres - the ?Refill AdBlue No start in XXX miles? message will appear. You will be able to drive the distance shown but you will subsequently be unable to start the engine." >> http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/corporate_sales0/fleet-after-sales/you

21:42:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwuwzD )

21:42:43 BingoBoingo: -and-adblue.html

21:42:45 BingoBoingo: lol phf

21:43:55 phf: ooh ooh, a chubby english major, who's a perpetually broke works random jobs, but aspires to be a singer, but nobody has a heart to tell her that she's not very good

21:45:28 cazalla: phf, she wouldn't believe them anyway eh

21:46:49 BingoBoingo: Yeah, or write it off as oppreshun because people don't understand her condishuns

21:47:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15933 @ 0.0007529 = 11.996 BTC [-]

21:47:32 phf: there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you

21:48:10 phf: i'm not paraphrasing the last bit by the way

21:49:39 phf: there's a coop yoga place, that designed "as a sort of community wellness center", good thing that the owner owns the building too, because they can't seem to quite break even, and periodically have strategic brainstorm sessions about how to make money

21:50:50 BingoBoingo: lol

21:50:58 phf: could make a portlandia show about west philadelphia, if it wasn't all so derivative already

21:51:34 BingoBoingo: It's amazing how much failure gets passed along as "progress" in USistan

21:51:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

21:51:55 BingoBoingo: From the geniuses of Reddit https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg

21:51:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwvPP6 )

21:54:21 cazalla: thanks for ruining my morning cuppa BingoBoingo

21:55:12 phf: and here i am being upset that you can't find a bidet anywhere in u.s. except for muslim neighbourhoods

21:55:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075488 = 5.0577 BTC [+] {3}

21:56:35 phf: would probably also solve problems of the creatures in that reddit thread

21:57:22 BingoBoingo: seriously

21:58:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40211 @ 0.0007529 = 30.2749 BTC [-]

22:02:02 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b23

22:05:21 lobbes: 'I'm going to try this. I've been pooping in the shower for years...' << lmao. I don't envy the plumber that finally gets called to snake that drain

22:26:48 deedbot-: [Qntra] Pirateat40 Pleads Guilty To Securities Fraud - http://qntra.net/2015/09/pirateat40-pleads-guilty-to-securities-fraud/

22:45:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10071 @ 0.00075417 = 7.5952 BTC [+] {3}

22:49:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unrelatred items.

22:51:32 mircea_popescu: hory shit 130 eth bet.

22:53:12 *: BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea)

22:53:54 mircea_popescu: lol srsly ?

22:54:02 BingoBoingo: Government Motors kills people with flimsy ignition locks and VW decides their smallest car is fine without pisstank, yet VW is the bigger villain

22:54:05 BingoBoingo: srsly

22:54:39 BingoBoingo: they call the shit "adblue" 35% urea in aqueaous solution. Gets pissed into the exhaust stream

22:55:04 mircea_popescu: but... why ?

22:55:25 BingoBoingo: Because of Nitrogen oxides

22:55:27 mircea_popescu: lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss.

22:55:28 mircea_popescu: oh.

22:56:41 BingoBoingo: Because instead of letting efficient diesels with their turbos and insane compression produce a bit more oxidized nitrogen, make them emulate naturally aspirated gasoline vehicle

22:57:14 mircea_popescu: bureaucracy at work. "one thing got away and all other things got to be that thing now. because easier to have a central exception"

22:57:31 mircea_popescu: this is the fundamentally centralizing nature of bureaucracy. "gotta have one king, and preferably he be dead."

22:58:14 BingoBoingo: Because why accept engineering compromises when you can instead invent a tank that pisses into the exhaust and feed monsanto more bezzel

22:59:06 punkman: why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting.

22:59:18 *: BingoBoingo remebers there supposedly being a piss backed atlcoin advertised on bitcointalk at one point

22:59:42 BingoBoingo: <punkman> why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting. << Biologic piss isn't good enough. Need special monsanto pure piss.

23:00:04 punkman: http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2015/09/20/bourne-aesthetic/

23:00:06 assbot: The Bourne Aesthetic – blarg? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKktU )

23:00:10 mircea_popescu: but you could add a gas cromatograph in the exhaust, diagnose driver's odds of getting kidney stones

23:00:15 mircea_popescu: while he waits in traffic.

23:00:17 BingoBoingo: lol

23:00:39 shinohai: BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600639.0 ?

23:00:42 assbot: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKlhp )

23:00:45 BingoBoingo: Well, now diesel exhaust contains ammonia, because THAT is SO MUCH BETTER than NOx

23:00:52 BingoBoingo: shinohai: That one

23:01:21 shinohai: That one gave me quite a few lolz

23:03:49 phf: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mihaib/kernighan-interview/

23:03:50 assbot: An Interview with Brian Kernighan ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKy45 )

23:19:07 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXUG8q4jKU "I dont wanna live in a city where a rat cant drag a hard-earned slice of pizza down a subway staircase without being tormented by the media"

23:19:07 assbot: New York City rat taking pizza home on the subway - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlLwgR )

23:20:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007392 = 4.1395 BTC [-]

23:22:28 mircea_popescu: i cant even.

23:27:32 mircea_popescu: "No, you pedo-peso hoarding little shit lizard. One of your sociopathic free-market libertarian brethren took it upon themselves to threaten a real person and people around them in their place of work making them genuinely fearful."

23:27:36 mircea_popescu: ahahaha what the ever living fuck.

23:28:00 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is stolfi and who the fuck cares about his bizarro cover-up for his own retirement.

23:28:14 mircea_popescu: guy got bored of being stupid, i get it, no need to pretend like HORRIBRU FORCES AFOOT.

23:28:33 BingoBoingo: lol

23:29:03 mircea_popescu: anyway. if this works so well, i guess we need to sean more of sa then ?

23:29:35 mircea_popescu: put the fear of god into them, as that guy said.

23:31:04 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/eTq1K because lulz.

23:31:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbUhiH )

23:35:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00073675 = 8.4358 BTC [-] {3}

23:36:40 mircea_popescu: (that guy, J.E. Freeman)

23:38:13 mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform you know who invented "teledildonics" rite ?

23:38:34 asciilifeform: nope

23:38:38 mircea_popescu: "HTML is precisely what we were trying to PREVENT" guy.

23:38:45 mircea_popescu: ted nelson.

23:38:50 asciilifeform: l0l

23:38:58 mircea_popescu: he's right, too. it is.

23:39:16 *: asciilifeform owns pretty much the whole of nelson's collected output, on dead tree

23:39:31 *: asciilifeform still working his way through it, sporadically

23:39:46 mircea_popescu: (not for the reason he cites, or at least not exactly, he fails to understand the deep rpoblems with "rights management", (which are what "version management" is in an edulcorated form)

23:40:14 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, yes, link rot and no bijection. who the fuck wants this piece of shit.

23:41:23 mircea_popescu: hint : the "expectations" about "what the internet is" which were build in the 90s by people about as informed or inclined to think as the current "blockchain technologies" crowd, are predicated on a MAXIMAL EXTENSION of an optimal ideal nelsonian network.

23:41:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25901 @ 0.00074452 = 19.2838 BTC [+] {3}

23:41:36 mircea_popescu: they have zit to do with the html&javascript internet of today.

23:41:46 BingoBoingo: That Lopp fellow shilling for 21 nao

23:41:47 asciilifeform: the micropayment thing has to be taken in context. it was 1960s and his vision was arguably an improvement of 'if you want to make money from thinking, have a job in usg academia'

23:41:49 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/8Wb1W

23:41:50 assbot: The 21 Bitcoin Computer : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbViaw )

23:42:05 asciilifeform: *improvement over

23:42:31 mircea_popescu: all that shit re culture and whatnot, all the pretense of wikipedia to relevance, the whole kaboodle : an overstated maximal output of an optimistic evaluation of a technological base that a) never actually existed in fact and b) has meanwhile been substituted by a provably worse alternative IN ALL THE POINTS

23:42:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he was always 21 "evanghelism" afaik.

23:43:01 asciilifeform: the other thing that folks often forget is that neither nelson nor anybody else seriously expected illiterate derps to get their hands on the machines

23:43:01 BingoBoingo: Ah

23:43:13 mircea_popescu: this is how vc circus works, spend 10-20mn on "a venture", part of which goes to "a respectable voice" etc.

23:43:14 asciilifeform: any more than schoolchildren are given bulldozers to play with

23:43:36 mircea_popescu: in the 60s ?

23:43:47 asciilifeform: aha

23:43:52 mircea_popescu: in the 60s they didn't even realise their own children will be marrying into illiterate for lack of alternative.

23:44:10 asciilifeform: 'computer' had stopped being a job title, but was still very much a ~place~

23:44:16 mircea_popescu: when i was a kid, the #1 question hopeful spouse had to handle with the fambly was "are they smart enough"

23:44:22 mircea_popescu: us forgot this somehoiw.

23:44:53 mircea_popescu: who the fuck said "honey, she's too dumb for you and her house smells of poor people" the past decade.

23:45:20 asciilifeform: afaik this is still very much a thing in usa

23:45:22 mircea_popescu: ("smells of poor people" is in no small part ABSENCE. "intellectuals" are used to the mild allergenic reaction of paper dust mites + old ink smell in trace amounts. because 5k books around.)

23:45:32 asciilifeform: aha!

23:45:58 asciilifeform: to the point that if i travel for week+ and come home, it knocks me over nearly

23:46:13 *: mircea_popescu doesn't keep books anymore

23:46:24 asciilifeform: they didn't fit into the space capsule aha

23:46:27 gernika: My encyclopedia britannica smelled - not good

23:46:36 gernika: used to it now

23:46:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i took a gamble of sorts. it kinda worked.

23:46:41 phf: man can't keep up with that guy, first email, now books

23:46:56 asciilifeform: gernika: what vintage ?

23:46:57 mircea_popescu: what guy ?

23:47:01 phf: you

23:47:05 asciilifeform: gernika: i have a 1958 one, smells great

23:47:08 mircea_popescu: lol.

23:47:16 shinohai: Sent 20 emails out today regarding your art commission, get one chick to reply 10 minutes ago. I gave her a link to chat.

23:47:20 mircea_popescu: hey, i count it like giving up drinking.

23:47:24 mircea_popescu: i don't aim to defend it.

23:47:24 gernika: asciilifeform: 1958 - complete with class schedule of a junior high student from 1969.

23:47:40 asciilifeform: gernika: we might disagree on what means 'smells great'

23:48:35 gernika: asciilifeform: it's a slightly chemical smell - perhaps ammoniaish?

23:48:46 asciilifeform: gernika: not in mine (as far as naked nose can tell) - oddly enough

23:48:56 asciilifeform: other than possibly on the colour plates.

23:48:57 mircea_popescu: ahahahaah alf has a nose cosy ?

23:49:05 asciilifeform: cosy ?

23:49:15 mircea_popescu: o you dunno what a cosy is ?

23:49:27 asciilifeform: just now saw it for the first time

23:49:33 asciilifeform: apparently a kind of sock ?

23:49:33 mircea_popescu: it's a great thing. the main by-product of the knitting culture. little clothes made to measure by bored old women for things like teapots.

23:50:02 *: asciilifeform does not own a knitted cone (or any other kind) to wear on the nose...

23:50:07 mircea_popescu: it has all the symptoms of childrearing apparatus gone berserk.

23:51:19 asciilifeform: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/21inc << l0l

23:51:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbWoTx )

23:51:38 asciilifeform: and here i was thinking that hearncoin was through

23:53:18 mircea_popescu: so dumbass "political campaign" for some twerp here tried to have a huge rally (which is how i woke up, fucking drummers). but it's been raining, and nobody gives a shit about their crap, so they took refuge under a huge awning and there they've been, playing this inept 2 minute political soundclip (lo que la gente quiere, blabla fuckhead rodrgues) etc. this for a while, until

23:53:20 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> those fuckers. NOBODY FUCKING QUIERES.

23:53:20 mircea_popescu: *hanbot* i'm dressing.

23:53:20 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> huh ?

23:53:20 mircea_popescu: *hanbot* i am going out there to tell them to shut the fuck up.

23:53:22 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> this i gotta see.

23:53:36 mircea_popescu: so she went down there and they stopped. and then... were quiet for like... ten minutes.

23:53:40 mircea_popescu: then they started again

23:53:46 mircea_popescu: for maybe five minutes. and then left.

23:54:05 mircea_popescu: let it never be said that woman can not break things. woman can break men's spirit, and that's major.

23:54:19 asciilifeform: l0l

23:54:42 mircea_popescu: she fucking shoo'd a political campaign away from the fucking downtown landmark!

23:54:45 mircea_popescu: valkyrie on a stick.

23:55:12 mircea_popescu: i gotta teach her how to work the backpack flamethrower.

23:55:24 hanbot: ^ yes please.

23:55:49 mircea_popescu: lmao. remember that monthy python supermarket scene ?

23:55:56 mircea_popescu: woman buys flamethrower ?

23:56:32 hanbot: i've got a fever, and the only prescription is moar dakka.

23:56:37 mircea_popescu: haha

23:57:34 cazalla: asciilifeform, same seller you have mentioned from time to time? http://kremlin.enterprises/post/129364443055/your-code-is-so-bad-we-had-to-make-etclocal

23:57:35 assbot: your code is so bad we had to make /etc/local/... - kremlin_t ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbX7UP )

23:57:36 punkman: http://xm42.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/EASDFS3.jpg

23:57:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbX778 )

23:58:22 mircea_popescu: punkman nah that's mickey mouse.

23:58:35 mircea_popescu: golden standard is this ru 8 gallon pre-pressured mix thing

23:59:05 asciilifeform: cazalla: looks like dks's house, aha

23:59:14 asciilifeform: cazalla: (a few photos in)

23:59:35 asciilifeform: cazalla: i have the 3620 (first photo)

23:59:49 phf: above is just a portable propane poofer, which is a sort of rite of passage for construction among burning man steel&propane crowd