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00:12:46 ben_vulpes: does anyone in la serenissima have a copy of the bitcoin repository of june 2012 vintage?

00:15:34 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/independent-reserve-becomes-australias-latest-bitcoin-exchange/

00:15:35 assbot: Independent Reserve Becomes Australia's Latest Bitcoin Exchange | Qntra.net

00:17:30 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.5.3/ etc.

00:17:30 assbot: Page not found - SourceForge.net

00:17:34 mircea_popescu: eh ?!

00:17:39 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha

00:18:03 ben_vulpes: all i have is the github repo

00:18:21 mircea_popescu: !up TheKingOfCPU

00:18:25 TheKingOfCPU: hi

00:18:56 TheKingOfCPU: hi everyone

00:18:58 TheKingOfCPU: =)

00:19:21 mircea_popescu: ello.

00:19:23 ben_vulpes: salad

00:19:57 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes https://codeload.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/legacy.tar.gz/v0.7.1 << there

00:20:11 mircea_popescu: https://codeload.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/legacy.tar.gz/v0.6.3 etc

00:20:41 ben_vulpes: ya got it

00:21:56 mike_c: should the news have as much of a slant as a blog post?

00:22:17 mike_c: or, to rephrase. a news article shouldn't have as much of a slant as a blog post.

00:22:19 ben_vulpes: "news" is all slant

00:22:53 mike_c: all communication has a slant. a news article should strive to have less than a blogger.

00:23:18 cazalla: mike_c which article

00:23:43 mike_c: i don't mean to poop on pete, but his is the one i just read.

00:24:08 cazalla: it is listed under commentary

00:24:38 mike_c: ok, that is good. but that is also news i would like to have.

00:25:03 mircea_popescu: mike_c be specific ?

00:25:06 mike_c: generally the editorial that is slanted is not the only source of news on the topic.

00:25:10 mircea_popescu: (i've not read it)

00:25:28 mike_c: " the world's largest banks gathered together to hold hands and sing kumbaya in the hope that Bitcoin would be gentle"

00:25:49 TheKingOfCPU: is maynous an instrument?

00:25:58 mike_c: nothing wrong with this in a commentary, but I would also like to be able to read the un-slanted version.

00:26:03 mircea_popescu: yeah hardly news this.

00:26:18 TheKingOfCPU: is maynous an instrument?

00:26:18 kakobrekla: should be pythra instead qntra

00:26:37 mircea_popescu: !down TheKingOfCPU

00:26:37 cazalla: mike_c, which pete linked to but it's a commentary and as news alone, i don't think anyone cares what someone said regarding bitcoin so it could only be commentary on qntra

00:27:25 mircea_popescu: cazalla no but he has a point, what kumbaya.

00:31:26 BingoBoingo: I hit publish on Pete's piece, in the Commentary category not the news category.

00:31:46 cazalla: usurper!

00:31:56 mircea_popescu: lol

00:32:06 BingoBoingo: My bad

00:32:38 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know ther's really no diff the site makes. if commentary went to a special page you had to click for then i see it

00:32:44 mircea_popescu: but as is, it's all the same thing, aka news.

00:32:59 cazalla: this independent reserve mob are on irc apparently, just wrong network and channel

00:33:15 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat << if the universe favoured defenders of castles, rather than attackers, bitcoin would not be necessary

00:33:26 asciilifeform: the 'martian bank' could be a literal martian bank.

00:33:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, guy's prose is rather florid, but there IS a news bit in there.

00:33:42 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well what protected the Wasp's bag?

00:33:53 mircea_popescu: cazalla where ?

00:33:59 BingoBoingo: Why can't a datacenter be protected similarly?

00:34:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: until destroyed - obscurity

00:34:14 cazalla: irc.oz.org #ir but i've invited them here

00:34:41 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And maybe people learn not to visit datacenters uninvited...

00:35:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cut pipe from safe distance.

00:35:34 BingoBoingo: Safe distance is a mystery though...

00:35:57 mircea_popescu: cazalla good idea.

00:36:11 asciilifeform: a datacenter that can't be diddled from a safe distance is also called 'a nuclear power'

00:37:00 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nothing I said contradicts that conclusion. At $900k/BTC a lot of things become possibilities

00:38:07 *: asciilifeform addresses the worms who people his future grave 'eh boys, you'll be lighting benjies with lit benjies'

00:38:50 mircea_popescu: lol

00:43:21 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ZT50FA.txt )

00:43:21 BingoBoingo: !b 2

00:45:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00073803 = 14.0595 BTC [-] {2}

00:50:45 mircea_popescu: dude varnish is sweet.

00:51:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu re-varnishing transformers again?

00:51:27 mircea_popescu: nono, varnish the web cache

00:51:46 *: asciilifeform is a 20th century creature

00:51:55 mircea_popescu: https://www.varnish-software.com/

00:51:55 assbot: Varnish Software

00:51:56 asciilifeform: varnish - lives on transformers.

00:54:26 ben_vulpes: varnish is okay

00:55:02 ben_vulpes: so: isStandard() - this is not related to blockchain and transaction processing rules, correct?

00:55:52 ben_vulpes: no it's totally in the transaction processing rules

00:55:58 ben_vulpes: if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork

00:56:11 ben_vulpes: if an 0.9 *node*...

00:57:18 asciilifeform: http://www.cbronline.com/news/tech/software/enterprise-apps/google-to-nix-piracy-sites-in-search-rank-201014-4411175

00:57:18 assbot: Google to nix piracy sites in search rank - Computer Business Review

00:57:46 danielpbarron: what is it with people pronouncing '0' as 'oh'?

00:58:09 ben_vulpes: syllabic efficiency

00:58:25 danielpbarron: "an zero" sounds strange

00:58:38 ben_vulpes: wouldn't it be "a zero"?

00:58:54 ben_vulpes: ah hue

00:58:58 ben_vulpes: i'm retarded, it's fine

00:59:31 danielpbarron: well no; not if you pronounce it "an oh point nine"

00:59:42 ben_vulpes: i'd probably say "oh nine", but i should write "a 0.9..."

00:59:52 ben_vulpes: and i never say the decimal

00:59:58 ben_vulpes: "oh nine three"

01:00:43 danielpbarron: "zero point nine point three"

01:01:46 ben_vulpes: i'm sure it matters to someone

01:05:39 bounce: ``In August 2012 we first announced that we would downrank sites for which we received a large number of valid DMCA notices.'' -- they get flooded with bot-generated "DMCA notices". what do they do to make sure they're "valid"? looking at youtube, not that much.

01:06:48 asciilifeform: 'heighten the contradictions'

01:07:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7606 @ 0.00073798 = 5.6131 BTC [-]

01:09:57 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork << yep

01:10:11 mircea_popescu: and an incurable one, at that.

01:11:07 mircea_popescu: this was the mechanism of the previous hard fork : .8 miners included tx rejected by the network, moved on a different chain.

01:11:38 mircea_popescu: !up AdamIR

01:12:50 cazalla: mircea_popescu, that's Adam Tepper from that new aussie exchange

01:13:19 mircea_popescu: is this the thing with the bitfury buys ?

01:13:28 cazalla: no, that's digitalBTC

01:13:51 mircea_popescu: ah independent reserve, kay.

01:13:54 AdamIR: http://www.independentreserve is our site.

01:14:01 AdamIR: Thanks for the invitation and introduction cazalla.

01:14:13 AdamIR: http://www.independentreserve.com rather.

01:14:16 assbot: Independent Reserve - The Bitcoin Market

01:14:39 mircea_popescu: AdamIR get in the wot. actually why aren';t you in there already ?

01:16:50 undata: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/10/20/secret-service-fbi-hack-cybersecuurity/17615029/

01:16:50 assbot: Officials warn 500 million financial records hacked

01:17:00 undata: << "Our government and our businesses are in a daily fight against hackers," Pawlenty said. "It's getting increasingly concerning, and it needs to be met with action by Congress." >>

01:17:12 undata: oh good, more legislation

01:17:18 AdamIR: mircea_popescu - I joined #bitcoin-otc. Will have a look in more detail later, thanks.

01:17:23 mircea_popescu: cazalla i imagine these should really be all massed into one weekly post or something. X, Y and Z opened. K L and M closed."

01:17:24 asciilifeform: microshit still not razed and employees not publicly impaled, news at 11.

01:17:26 mircea_popescu: maybe even have a dead pool

01:17:48 kakobrekla: AdamIR you dont want to be there.

01:17:54 undata: asciilifeform: they're going to make hacking even more illegal; you'll see!

01:18:12 mircea_popescu: <undata> oh good, more legislation << asciilifeform has it. "everyone ever worked for microsoft, one year in prison per year worked, plus one year in prison per 100k in salary ever received. sentences over 20 years commuted to death."

01:18:23 AdamIR: kakobrekla - just having a look what it's all about.

01:18:32 mircea_popescu: everyone OTHER than ms has a year to either discontinue their business or fix it.

01:18:37 mircea_popescu: check out the sudden security everywhere

01:19:13 cazalla: mircea_popescu, that's an idea, i like to cover them just so i know if/when they close i have something to refer back to if they change their story at that point

01:19:16 mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway ok, so when you say last mover advantage/having studied what others did worng, what specifically do you mean ?

01:19:37 asciilifeform: 'One Romanian hacker was lured to Boston by Secret Service Special Agent Matt O'Neill, who used the Internet to pose as a woman and invite the cybercriminal on a trip to the USA to enjoy gambling and romance. "He was quite surprised that I was the one meeting him when he arrived," said O'Neill, who worked on the case for months.' << lol, is anyone actually this stupid? even sp4mz0rs?

01:19:39 mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah, i feel you. but should really be one paragraph at best. just the details.

01:19:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.

01:20:36 AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... there's a number of things we do right, particularly compared with others in the Australia-Pacific region.

01:20:45 mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway the idea was for specificity.

01:20:57 AdamIRAway: Yes... typing...

01:21:00 mircea_popescu: no rush.

01:21:30 AdamIRAway: I realise some other exchanges do some of these things, but some of the ways I think that Independent Reserve is ahead of a lot of our competition is...

01:23:12 AdamIRAway: 1. Rather than rely on a technology/IT focused team (which is my own background), we brought onboard a lot of the executive team and investors with FX Markets, Investment Banking and Finance background, which I think has helped in many of the decisions we have made, and connections that we have made, and gives better overall balance and credibility to what we do.

01:24:13 mircea_popescu: sure, go can't hurt.

01:24:21 AdamIRAway: 2. Rather than launch something quickly, we developed an enterprise level trading system over a period of twelve months and followed best practice in software development to develop a platform that we believe is secure, robust and stable. My own background as well as that of our CTO is in enterprise software development, and previously worked for many financial institutions in Australia.

01:24:40 AdamIRAway: 3. We have a very rich API. I realise other exchanges have this also, but not so in Australia.

01:25:18 mircea_popescu: what ever came of MMADX incidentally ?

01:25:28 AdamIRAway: 4. Most people, particularly Australians (but other nationalities also), can verify themselves online within minutes, usually without having to submit any identification documents. In some cases we can't automatically verify that, we can still verify manually.

01:26:47 AdamIRAway: 5. Australians can make BPAY Deposits (it's an Australian thing), but we convert this to USD at around 2.5 % better than most banks will. International clients can do a SWIFT transfer direct into our USD account. The other Australian exchange trades AUD/XBT, but we chose USD to provide greater liquidity.

01:26:53 mircea_popescu: http://asiaetrading.com/australian-company-to-automate-multi-trillion-dollar-debt-market-mmadx/ <<

01:26:55 assbot: Australian Company to Automate Multi-Trillion Dollar Debt Market MMADX | AsiaEtrading.com

01:27:02 mircea_popescu: seems to have been "going to" in 2012 and then suddenly dissapeared.

01:27:07 mircea_popescu: is this a reuse of that platform ?

01:27:22 AdamIRAway: 6. I think we are the only Bitcoin exchange in the world that is audited by one of the major auditing firms - PricewaterhouseCoopers

01:27:45 mike_c: PWC, the bitcoin experts! :)

01:27:55 gabriel_laddel: "to develop a platform that *we believe* is secure, robust and stable..."

01:28:00 gabriel_laddel: [emphasis mine]

01:28:19 AdamIRAway: 7. And again, this only applies to Australians. Because we are an open market exchange (not a brokerage), we are not obligated to charge 10 % GST on transactions, like other brokerages in the region do.

01:28:26 decimation: AdamIRAway: you realize you basically saying "we are awesome at kyc/aml"

01:28:49 mircea_popescu: decimation well, generally, "at interfacing with austrialian banks"

01:29:24 AdamIRAway: decimation... it's important to take KYC/AML seriously, in order for us to work with banks. We do our best to make it as painless as possible for our clients, if we can.

01:30:14 asciilifeform: obligatory:

01:30:16 mircea_popescu: "MMADX hopes to turn profitable in 2015. According to the presentation, its projected earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization for fiscal 2016 and 2017 are A$23.2 million and A$34.2 million, respectively. At that time, or before, the company could undertake an initial public offering, the presentation states."

01:30:24 mircea_popescu: so it never actually listed, best i can discern. did it close down ?

01:30:27 decimation: AdamIRAway: are you going to be transparent to your customers w.r.t. actual daily balances?

01:30:33 decimation: or is that only for pwc?

01:30:35 asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all

01:30:35 asciilifeform: of their profits are being used to pay executive salaries this will have to be built at extremely low cost. Deficiencies in the softwrae will enable vast numbers of Americans to download Bambi for free, their ISPs will be forced to rat them out, and they will all get to see Martha's Stewart's cell in West Virginia first hand...' (greenspun. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2005/03/08/#a7726 )

01:30:36 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » 2005 » March » 08

01:30:43 mircea_popescu: cazalla if you have a clue how to go through the aussie corp register, it's company code: 34149069910

01:30:51 AdamIRAway: gabriel_laddel... my emphasis was on *secure, robust and scalable* ;)

01:31:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, didja know that what actually broke the chicago mob was their ill advised attempt to muscle hollywood into shape ?

01:31:41 BingoBoingo: AdamIRAway: Does you exchange handle shoebox in the mail full of paper money transactions?

01:32:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unsurprising

01:32:15 decimation: people who tell the masses how to think and vote tend to maintain their position

01:32:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: probably not, but your postman does!

01:32:23 gabriel_laddel: AdamIRAway: I see.

01:32:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he'll be happy to pay his grocery bill with them.

01:33:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: propaganda ministry wins over ordinary mob

01:33:24 AdamIRAway: decimation... Pwc will be auditing our finances, and we will make their report available. We are looking to engage them to audit our XBT reserves as well shortly. We aren't currently transparent day-to-day regarding our reserves/balances, but it is obviously something we will be looking to do shortly after our launch.

01:33:27 cazalla: mircea_popescu, Cancelled from 28 Feb 2014

01:33:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But in future world a shoebox full a benjies buys what? A single tomatoe?

01:33:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a few minutes of fire in potbelly stove

01:33:51 decimation: AdamIRAway: that pretty much sounds to me something like "we plan to float bitcoin and hope we don't get screwed"

01:34:51 mircea_popescu: anyway, since michael go doesn't seem on the menu, how did you get Admiral Markets's very own Lasanka Perera ? or what exactly is the arrangement there ?

01:36:17 AdamIRAway: decimation... I'm not sure how you interpreted my statement to reach that viewpoint. We take both our USD and XBT reserves very seriously, and will be looking to provide cryptograhic proof of our Bitcoin reserves shortly.

01:36:46 AdamIRAway: Lasanka Perera is a friend of mine, and co-founder of Independent Reserve.

01:37:02 cazalla: mircea_popescu, http://pastebin.com/DjYmbsEz

01:37:02 assbot: Australian Company MONEY MARKET AND DEBT EXCHANGE PTY. LTD. ACN 149 069 910 - Pastebin.com

01:38:02 mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway any comment on how MMDX got deregistered ?

01:38:58 AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu - no sorry, can you give me some more context?

01:40:47 mircea_popescu: yes. the context is like so : an old time forex broker with a kind-of mlm-y past that used to do metals and everything got together with a guy that had a company that was going to trade debt advertised then suddenly disappeared. they hired a coupla software dudes (you and the Przelozny) and a very clueless legal chick with no practice. in this context, i'm trying to figure out exactly how did said debt trading platform

01:40:48 mircea_popescu: company get closed down.

01:42:35 mircea_popescu: now my thinking is that you couldn't have spent very long making a dedicated platform, seeing how this just happened this year, so you're either reusing one or the other. i somehow doubt it's admiral's platform, so prolly im guessing mmdx's ?

01:42:38 mircea_popescu: !up AdamIRAway

01:43:29 AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... I think you have the wrong idea about several points.

01:43:41 mircea_popescu: well that's good, that's what you're here for after all.

01:43:50 BingoBoingo: Eric S Raymond builds a computer >> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6389

01:43:53 assbot: Spending the “Help Stamp Out CVS In Your Lifetime” fund

01:43:56 AdamIRAway: First of all, I'm not involved in any waay with MMDX - I hadn't heard of them until you mentioned it.

01:44:13 mircea_popescu: but you did some research on your partners or no ?

01:44:37 AdamIRAway: Secondly, we aren't using any software from Admiral Markets or MMDX, not a single line of code, I don't know what systems they've used previously. Our systems have been developed in-house over the past 15 months.

01:44:50 asciilifeform: eric raymond << obligatory: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archives

01:44:50 assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond

01:44:53 mircea_popescu: so this thing has existed for the past 15 months ?!

01:45:02 asciilifeform: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/gpl-sucker-punch

01:45:02 assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » GPL sucker punch

01:45:03 asciilifeform: ^

01:45:21 AdamIRAway: Thirdly. Nobody hired a "couple of software dudes and a clueless legal chick", as you described...

01:45:59 AdamIRAway: Myself, along with Adrian Przelozny are the majority shareholders of Independent Reserve.

01:46:09 mircea_popescu: o, it goes the other way ?

01:46:29 mircea_popescu: interesting.

01:46:49 mircea_popescu: ok so basically you and the prezelozny fellow made this thing and reached out for some consultancy work from finance and legal peeps ?

01:47:02 AdamIRAway: Our Compliance Specialist has a lot of experience in compliance obviously, and through her we have engaged Baker & McKenzie for specialised legal advice as required.

01:47:11 *: RagnarDanneskjol wonders how long this infomercial for indy reserve will go on (also do they have shiraz blend?).. changes channel

01:47:35 AdamIRAway: RagnarDanneskjol... I was invited here, and asked questions.

01:47:39 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol it's the trade gazette, what do you want. ppl gotta be able to answer.

01:47:43 RagnarDanneskjol: ok cool

01:47:45 mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway dun worry about it.

01:47:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nao I have more to read

01:47:50 AdamIRAway: Sorry they haven't been to your liking, I will be happy to leave if it's not welcome.

01:48:33 RagnarDanneskjol: dont mind me - sounded more like advert than adderessing relevant Qs

01:48:53 mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway anyway, i think i get the basic idea. it's not bad or anything. get in the wot so bitcoin people have a direct point of contact and other than that, time will tell.

01:50:27 asciilifeform: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/eric-buys-an-ipod

01:50:27 assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Eric buys an Ipod

01:58:12 BingoBoingo: I remember his printer rant

01:58:28 AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... I've just been trying to get some context regarding what you were saying before... I thought you were referring to something Lasanka had been involved with...

01:58:42 AdamIRAway: Adrian Przelozny, Lasanka Perera and myself were the co-founders of Independent Reserve.

02:01:40 BingoBoingo: !up AdamIR2

02:01:44 AdamIR2: I realise now you were talking about Michael Go, and his involvement with MMADX several years ago. I don't know the details of his involvement with that, but it is not connected with Independent Reserve.

02:02:07 AdamIR2: On that note... I need to go back and so some work. Thanks for your questions.

02:07:26 ben_vulpes: was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history?

02:08:40 asciilifeform: 'directly' ?

02:08:57 decimation: wasn't it always in a Berkeley db?

02:09:13 ben_vulpes: as opposed to BDB

02:09:46 decimation: like, as a flat text file or something?

02:09:54 *: ben_vulpes does not actually understand how the infinite layers of the modern v.n. architecture does it's nasty business.

02:10:04 ben_vulpes: decimation: i imagined something like that, yeah.

02:10:14 decimation: I doubt it, that would be crazy

02:10:24 decimation: the code is out there for reading though, I suppose

02:10:43 ben_vulpes: still working through the changelog

02:11:22 asciilifeform: http://www.zorinaq.com/pub/bitcoin-0.1.0.tgz

02:11:38 decimation: asciilifeform: is that the 'satoshi' original turd?

02:11:46 asciilifeform: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68121.0 << possibly

02:11:46 assbot: v0.1

02:11:52 *: asciilifeform did not check the signature

02:12:56 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/intel-subsidiary-fined-for-crypto-export/

02:12:57 assbot: Intel Subsidiary Fined for Crypto Export | Qntra.net

02:13:33 decimation: hashs check the website, fwiw

02:14:11 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history? << yes.

02:14:24 mircea_popescu: but that was long, long ago.

02:14:53 mircea_popescu: <decimation> I doubt it, that would be crazy << o yeah ? THE WALLET FILE WAS UNENCRYPTED.

02:14:55 mircea_popescu: FOR TWO YEARS.

02:15:10 decimation: hehe good point

02:15:24 mircea_popescu: do not even get me started. they're using qt for fucks sake.

02:15:35 asciilifeform: incidentally,

02:15:37 asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC

02:15:37 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.

02:15:55 mircea_popescu: satoshi is like costanza when it comes to implementation. pretty much every choice he has made, be it something to eat, something to wear, has been wrong.

02:16:32 asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC

02:16:32 gribble: Order id 21595 created.

02:16:33 decimation: that bitcoin-0.1 turd definitely depends on db_cxx.h, which seems to be bdb, but that isn't a full answer

02:16:33 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` ^ that something you can do ?

02:16:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:16:45 asciilifeform: human skin cover optional.

02:16:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35843 @ 0.00073796 = 26.4507 BTC [-] {2}

02:17:02 mircea_popescu: decimation im pretty certain it had flatfiles early on.

02:19:14 decimation: asciilifeform: lol @ your esr cartoon

02:19:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in 0.1...

02:19:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps in satoshi's head?

02:19:56 asciilifeform: srsly what is this, anybody can grab the ancient source

02:19:56 mircea_popescu: so you're saying i have hallucinated this ?!

02:21:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00073897 = 8.1287 BTC [+] {2}

02:21:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like it.

02:21:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you remember yourself, when telling the tale of why you didn't port it to msdos

02:21:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no working bdb

02:22:44 asciilifeform: if not for the db crapolade, mine would be running on bare iron even now.

02:22:51 asciilifeform: (can't speak for other folks)

02:22:54 decimation: transactions are definitely stored in a Db * object, which appears to be the bdb C++ interface

02:23:05 *: mircea_popescu throws hands

02:23:10 mircea_popescu: who the fuck knows. i coulda sworn.

02:24:54 asciilifeform: at any rate, i would genuinely like that book. if someone wishes to make it happen.

02:25:00 asciilifeform: and chances are i'm not the only one.

02:25:18 decimation: asciilifeform: me too

02:25:21 asciilifeform: i'd pay quadruple for an intelligently-commented 'Lions Book'-style item

02:25:30 decimation: printing out your own shit is annoying

02:25:36 asciilifeform: but not sure if anyone is qualified to produce this

02:25:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform decimation i think it quite likely that once nubsy gets on you'll get your book.

02:25:55 asciilifeform: happy days.

02:25:58 decimation: yeah he's a printin' guy

02:26:49 decimation: The 'independent reserve' guys claim to use gpg signed email for customer support

02:28:09 decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that the new emacs has a web-browser mode builtin?

02:28:34 asciilifeform: decimation: did for ages ?

02:29:52 decimation: really? I thought one had to download from the crazy lisp package repo

02:30:13 *: asciilifeform confesses to being rather uninterested in ugly-as-sin www browsing

02:30:27 asciilifeform: and similarly stallmanesque exercises

02:31:13 asciilifeform: the sooner 'browser' dies as a paradigm, the better:

02:31:15 decimation: asciilifeform: it seems like a good idea on the surface, but in practice 90% of the web will be broken

02:31:16 asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309

02:31:18 assbot: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars.

02:32:55 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's true that the 'vision' of downloading and executing arbitrary code is exactly what the world needs

02:33:09 mircea_popescu: decimation no it had a web browser for a long time

02:33:13 asciilifeform: decimation: everybody seems shocked at that one

02:33:28 asciilifeform: decimation: but 'surgeon' and 'maniac' are different items, though each cuts you open while you sleep.

02:33:59 decimation: exactly. And everyone has been told since they were little that execution is dangerous - which is on c-machines

02:33:59 asciilifeform: decimation: in a same computing environment, nothing about 'downloading and executing arbitrary code' is frightening.

02:34:52 undata: asciilifeform: regarding the format wars post, I've fantasized about choosing to build for the canvas tag and forgetting the rest of the browser entirely

02:34:53 decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that IBM had to pay $1.5 bn to get rid of their chip business?

02:35:04 asciilifeform: lol yes

02:35:04 undata: just streaming commands to some canvas wrapper via a websocket

02:35:26 asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, this is not like you or i paying a junkman $100 to be rid of an ancient car

02:35:30 decimation: asciilifeform: it makes one sad. "why keep banging head against wall, and digging bigger ditch? why not try something really different"

02:35:40 asciilifeform: decimation: it's laundry / merit-washing. we simply don't know the details.

02:35:50 gabriel_laddel: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/comp.lang.lisp/V7yiSIfLEis/sIhFE4M5yk4J

02:35:51 assbot: Google Groups

02:35:58 gabriel_laddel: ^ related

02:36:05 decimation: yeah I agree. how can a factory that can produce chips which rival intel's lithography 'lose money'?

02:36:23 decimation: either they are really really bad at making chips, or they are really really bad at choosing what to stamp out

02:36:44 asciilifeform: or leverage shenanigans

02:36:51 asciilifeform: that only the gods know the bottom of

02:37:07 asciilifeform: or nsa contract lineup fell through this year

02:37:09 asciilifeform: or, or, or.

02:37:09 decimation: you mean 'friendly' money from usg

02:38:01 decimation: I strongly suspect that spending more money on nsa is going to be politically untenable for the near future

02:38:11 decimation: it will be amusing to see who 'starves'

02:38:21 asciilifeform: as if they needed money.

02:40:10 asciilifeform: the future of u.s. taxation and criminal justice is probably the model of the 'traffic camera.'

02:40:15 asciilifeform: see, e.g., orlov:

02:40:19 asciilifeform: 'With small businesses and private enterprise made illegal, most people will be forced to resort to illegal activities, under the watchful eye of the NSA. But since putting even more people in jail will be prohibitively expensive, a new, streamlined process of dispensing justice will be put into place: the NSA and the Justice Department will link computer systems, and verdicts of fraud and suspended sentences wi

02:40:19 asciilifeform: ll be issued by a computer program, in absentia. In keeping with current practice, both the charge and the evidence will be kept secret. The newly minted felons will be dropped from voter rolls, their passports cancelled, their bank accounts confiscated, and their employment (if any) terminated. They will receive form letters informing them of their sentence but most of them will be unable to read it because fun

02:40:20 asciilifeform: ctional illiteracy rates will go from the current 40% to 80-90%.'

02:40:25 asciilifeform: ^ http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/04/business-as-usual.html

02:40:25 assbot: ClubOrlov: Business as usual

02:40:31 decimation: everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types

02:40:43 asciilifeform: that'd be dept. of state.

02:41:16 decimation: yeah them too

02:41:56 gabriel_laddel: wrong link above. apparently I recorded it by hand. I couldn't find the quote I had intended to post by googling, so here it is: http://pastebin.com/AnDwtySY from Emacs.

02:41:56 assbot: I started to reply at length to the many misstatements in your message. I don - Pastebin.com

02:42:28 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: yes, i linked to this on many occasions

02:42:40 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: wish i could remember where, though

02:44:24 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: google groups is rotting :/

02:44:29 asciilifeform: for years.

02:44:47 decimation: gabriel_laddel: yeah, emacs likes to claim 'self-documenting' but I find the quality of documentation to be pretty poor

02:45:25 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/XpvUwF2xKbk/Xz4Mww0ZwLIJ << original

02:45:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15179 @ 0.0007405 = 11.24 BTC [+] {2}

02:45:30 gabriel_laddel: decimation: It's by far the best I've found on UNIX. I've no LispM experiences and so can only imagine.

02:45:53 gabriel_laddel: thank you

02:45:59 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: (linked from ancient post of mine - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=85 )

02:46:00 assbot: Loper OS » The Performance of Lisp, or Why Bean Counters Need Bigger Bags of Beans

02:46:25 decimation: I remember when google took over the old usenet archives, thought they would make them useful rather than let them rot

02:46:36 asciilifeform: they did. briefly.

02:46:53 asciilifeform: 'dejanews' was a cesspool of pestilential spamvertising, the early 'google groups' was a breath of fresh air

02:48:10 mircea_popescu: decimation> everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types <<< only in places which are bored of living.

02:48:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tired of living - 'жить надоело', heh

02:49:13 mircea_popescu: myeah.

02:50:10 mircea_popescu: they didn't have enough sense to make a wot.

02:50:14 mircea_popescu: no wot, no forum/

02:51:20 decimation: http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/what_the_byzantines_can_teach.html

02:51:21 assbot: Articles: What the Byzantines Can Teach Us about Our National Security

02:51:37 asciilifeform: classic

02:51:48 asciilifeform: also the book is neato.

02:51:58 *: asciilifeform likes luttwak

02:52:17 decimation: "The Byzantines had good spies, but no intelligence bureaucracy at all. Officials involved in the management of espionage performed these functions along with other duties. They never had a bureaucratic hierarchy of intelligence and never thought to create one. "

02:53:38 decimation: yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints

02:55:55 decimation: asciilifeform: you might enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMcoOiOxLf8

02:55:55 assbot: Conversations with History - Edward N. Luttwak - YouTube

02:59:14 mircea_popescu: <decimation> yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints << lol good one.

02:59:19 mircea_popescu: here's the thing tho : they do.

02:59:30 mircea_popescu: just, not a bureaucracy. they need management tho.

03:00:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1874 @ 0.00073768 = 1.3824 BTC [-]

03:01:18 decimation: well, it's certainly the case that someone needs to have the 'big picture' in mind and issue instructions, I would think

03:02:18 asciilifeform: generally there are no 'hobbyist spies' - they're called 'armchair generals' or something alike.

03:03:31 decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect 'armchair general' describes 90% of usg

03:03:47 mircea_popescu: nah, i'll tell you what describes 90% of usg.

03:04:12 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Bill_de_Blasio_and_family.jpg << this.

03:04:34 mircea_popescu: you see this picture ? look well at it, for it's what it looks like. sad, tired, incredibly lonely middle age white guy

03:04:38 mircea_popescu: in a hell of his making.

03:05:23 decimation: pandering the masses must drain the soul

03:05:45 mircea_popescu: clearly in the last place he'd ever be : his own life.

03:06:29 asciilifeform: 'This time of year, this part of Massachusetts is overrun by stampedes of shiny late-model SUVs with New York and New Jersey license plates. They are driven by various subspecies of the middle-aged well-to-do American Office Ogre?the lawyer, the doctor, the dentist, the banker, the lobbyist and the corporate businessman?the people who are attempting to run off with all the loot. The majestic scenery is somew

03:06:29 asciilifeform: hat spoiled by these surly, scowling, raspy-voiced ogres and their flabby, overmedicated wives with voices like an unoiled hinge. When not aimlessly driving around, they sit in upscale restaurants, toying with their food and gossiping menacingly. They have long forgotten what it means to be happy and carefree, and their labored attempts at feigning enjoyment are painful to watch. You can be sure that the sight o

03:06:30 asciilifeform: f poor but happy people makes them quite livid.'

03:06:34 asciilifeform: ^ http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html

03:06:34 assbot: ClubOrlov: August 2010

03:11:17 decimation: asciilifeform: this is probably one reason why usg policy is generally to crush the poor and happy

03:13:02 mircea_popescu: "Many people spent a big chunk of their lives investing in this dream and it didn't pan out quite as we wish."

03:13:05 mircea_popescu: no shortage of sad.

03:16:40 undata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX3rgYRY_zM

03:16:40 assbot: We Called It America - NOFX - YouTube

03:18:01 mircea_popescu: !up gibson

03:19:18 undata: where to move, if we're ash heap bound

03:19:56 asciilifeform: alpha centauri.

03:19:58 asciilifeform: if you can afford it.

03:20:04 mircea_popescu: argentina works.

03:20:12 asciilifeform: just the same as alpha centauri to me.

03:20:21 mircea_popescu: no, the chicks are way better.

03:20:36 asciilifeform: lol

03:21:44 BingoBoingo: !up bitstein

03:21:51 BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch

03:22:22 decimation: http://squid314.livejournal.com/340809.html << "All of the white people who joined Indian tribes loved it and refused to go back to white civilization. All the Indians who joined white civilization hated it and did everything they could to go back to their previous tribal lives."

03:22:25 assbot: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz - Book Review: Empire of the Summer Moon

03:23:35 undata: mircea_popescu: what makes you like Argentina? Things like wealth taxes don't convey a sense of respect for private property, though I can see how that'd be irrelevant to BTC wealth

03:29:00 asciilifeform: decimation: i distinctly remember reading this earlier.

03:29:06 asciilifeform: linked, almost certainly, from here.

03:29:21 asciilifeform: (or was it mircea_popescu ?)

03:30:18 mircea_popescu: undata da fuck do i care about their taxes.

03:31:03 mircea_popescu: but i like everything. i suppose i should spell it out huh.

03:31:24 undata: mircea_popescu: if you want; it wont be actionable for me for years

03:32:48 asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885779

03:32:49 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 02:15:37; asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC

03:32:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:34:14 thestringpuller: what kind of binding?

03:34:26 asciilifeform: ^ this is not merely a printer's job; i can abide neither haphazardly broken lines nor miniscule print.

03:34:39 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/moopay-scam-leads-to-possible-bitstamp-blacklists/

03:34:40 assbot: MooPay Scam Leads to Possible Bitstamp Blacklists | Qntra.net

03:36:20 asciilifeform: what kind of binding << lay-flat only.

03:36:32 asciilifeform: absolutely no perforator or 3-ring.

03:36:36 asciilifeform: could do those myself.

03:36:38 decimation: asciilifeform: as in soft leather cover?

03:36:45 asciilifeform: paper ok

03:36:49 asciilifeform: think 'o'reilly' books

03:37:49 thestringpuller: no leather bound LOTR style?

03:37:56 thestringpuller: why not wizard spellbook style

03:38:04 asciilifeform: if someone wants to do this for no more than 1 btc, sure.

03:38:18 asciilifeform: i specified - minimum.

03:38:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28376 @ 0.00074074 = 21.0192 BTC [+] {2}

03:38:27 thestringpuller: 1 btc may go a long way in the future ;)

03:38:38 asciilifeform: eh.

03:44:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00073768 = 12.098 BTC [-]

03:50:59 thestringpuller: ;;calc 206000/390

03:51:00 gribble: 528.205128205

03:51:40 thestringpuller: ;;calc 206000 / 315

03:51:40 gribble: 653.968253968

03:51:40 mircea_popescu: undata http://fraudsters.com/2014/mp-what-do-you-like-about-argentina/ there you go.

03:51:40 assbot: MP, what do you like about Argentina ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:56:36 thestringpuller: !up bitstein

03:56:39 thestringpuller: !up RagnarsBitch

04:00:12 undata: mircea_popescu: thanks for the write-up

04:03:03 thestringpuller: PinkPosixPXE: nice article on qntra :D

04:07:38 BingoBoingo: !up kncminer_is_a_sc

04:07:46 BingoBoingo: Hello kncminer_is_a_sc

04:08:04 kncminer_is_a_sc: KNCMINER IS A SCAM! 5 month late house burning hardware is Useless now, useless. Refund me you gotterdammerung scammers!

04:08:18 mircea_popescu: kncminer_is_a_sc no shit lmao

04:08:24 kncminer_is_a_sc: Damn you KNC!!!! DAMN YOU STRAIGHT TO HEELLLLLL!!!!

04:09:07 ben_vulpes: "accounts" in btc wallets are kind of stupid, right?

04:09:22 mircea_popescu: kind of ?

04:09:31 ben_vulpes: i'm trying to think of sensible use cases

04:09:46 ben_vulpes: but i keep coming back to "i only want to know the balances and histories of these addresses"

04:09:49 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/ <<

04:09:50 assbot: Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:11:23 ben_vulpes: ya there we go

04:12:00 mircea_popescu: yeah nice piece pixie.

04:12:10 mircea_popescu: undata yer welcome.

04:14:56 mircea_popescu: "He then tried to pay with PayPal, and we unsuspended the machines. About 6 hours later the payments were disputed with PayPal as unauthorized and we then suspended again." << wow, carding too ?!

04:15:35 mircea_popescu: perfect pretext for bitstamp to steal even more coins.

04:15:56 mircea_popescu: just in case it's not obvious already, keeping any balances on bitstamp or sending any bitcoin to bitstamp is beyond retarded.

04:17:40 mircea_popescu: try to not do that so you don't ned up like the 62c5186b@gateway/web/freenode/ip. retard.

04:17:47 mircea_popescu: and speaking of knc, check out what i found : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg1776663#msg1776663

04:17:47 assbot: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

04:19:06 ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/AmerBanker/status/524293068309008384

04:19:07 assbot: Manifesto Vows to Give Consumers Control of Digital Identities http://t.co/CRZsd73VUg by /SarahLizChar http://t.co/PDY66TFmzd

04:19:17 ThickAsThieves: nice pic

04:19:26 mircea_popescu: i dun get it.

04:19:33 mircea_popescu: how do consumers not have such control ? or ?

04:19:48 ThickAsThieves: it's a woman lookin like she shit her pants, from Ripple, saying,

04:20:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62695 @ 0.00074101 = 46.4576 BTC [+] {2}

04:20:08 ThickAsThieves: "Innovation isnt inherently incompatible with regulation"

04:20:36 mircea_popescu: course it isn't.

04:20:44 mircea_popescu: the usg however, IS inherently incompatible with regulation.

04:20:56 mircea_popescu: because we're making the rules, not the fucking other way around, what is this.

04:21:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3305 @ 0.00074123 = 2.4498 BTC [+]

04:21:30 ThickAsThieves: do we each get to make a rule?

04:21:45 mircea_popescu: sure. and enforce it, too.

04:21:52 ThickAsThieves: scam

04:22:23 mircea_popescu: better scam than sorry.

04:23:12 mircea_popescu: ripple's problem is more like "we enabled some scammers stealing a buncha coins" tho.

04:23:39 decimation: one can see why they would need to convince usg why they are very good little slaves

04:23:44 mircea_popescu: right ?

04:23:52 mircea_popescu: already convicted otherwise. better be useful.

04:24:08 decimation: since usg is a dim and neglectful master, they get away with it

04:24:19 mircea_popescu: it's funny that the us lost the "innovation" war back in 2013, and then lost the finance war. no smart kids, no rich kids,

04:24:24 mircea_popescu: its only hope now rests with the felons.

04:24:43 mircea_popescu: who knows, perhaps it has enough criminals that they become a significant minority in the new world, giving it some claim.

04:24:44 mircea_popescu: sad.

04:25:14 decimation: the us has plenty of high iq people, it's just that in general their efforts are misdirected into idiocy

04:25:22 mircea_popescu: so what's that do for me ?

04:25:26 ThickAsThieves: ripple is basically grasping for, Bitcoin for Banks, All the tech, none of the darkwebmunny

04:25:51 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, it and all the 500 other derps.

04:26:08 undata: decimation: or they get so depressed they barely function

04:26:17 mircea_popescu: "we have yet another version of bitcoin without bitcoin, choose us, because this works!!11"

04:26:44 ThickAsThieves: Bonus Undocumented Feature: Print Bitcoins!

04:27:21 decimation: this is a peculiar habit in the us: trying to find a 'technical' solution for a very human problem

04:27:39 mircea_popescu: like dildos ?

04:27:50 decimation: heh

04:28:11 mircea_popescu: but it props the economy! :D

04:28:35 mircea_popescu: undata is that experience speaking ?

04:28:40 ThickAsThieves: conserve energy!

04:30:22 undata: mircea_popescu: I've seen it happen to friends brighter than I am.

04:31:04 undata: as for me, I keep myself moving hoping to strike at the thing myself someday

04:31:14 undata: but I've yet to make a pile, so that comes first

04:31:19 mircea_popescu: ic

04:35:53 asciilifeform: not one in ten thousand shall leave the mines.

04:35:57 asciilifeform: that's sorta how it works.

04:36:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, but i dun believe so.

04:36:32 mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone leaves the mines. part of why "big government" is so lulzy.

04:36:49 asciilifeform: 'leave the mines' - live as idle gentleman scholar.

04:36:49 mircea_popescu: i mean... how many east germans joined west germany ? ... all of em ?

04:36:51 asciilifeform: a la taleb

04:36:57 mircea_popescu: a

04:37:19 mircea_popescu: we were talkin of different things

04:37:51 *: asciilifeform sees arbeit macht frei as arbeit macht frei under whatever flag, equally odious

04:41:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he did say 'I've yet to make a pile' - suggestive of the usual lament of folks who despair of ever buying their freedom

04:42:01 asciilifeform: (esp. while young enough to make something constructive of it)

04:43:34 undata: eh, I'll get there

04:46:40 PinkPosixPXE: Thanks thestringpuller and mircea_popescu :)

05:04:36 BingoBoingo: %p

05:04:39 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 857.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.56 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s

15:12:59 pete_dushenski: ;;rate cazalla 1 news anchor at qntra.net

15:13:01 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.

15:14:13 pete_dushenski: ;;rate BingoBoingo 2 news anchor, blogger, spinozan.

15:14:14 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user BingoBoingo has changed from 1 to 2.

15:15:12 pete_dushenski: ;;rate nubbins` 2 canuckistani, printer of fine things.

15:15:13 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user nubbins` has been recorded.

15:15:25 othernubs`: d'aww

15:15:50 pete_dushenski: othernubs` twas overdue ;)

15:17:15 pete_dushenski: ;;rate asciilifeform 2 loper, maker, the go-to for infosec.

15:17:17 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.

15:17:59 pete_dushenski: i think that's all the catching up for now.

15:18:22 Vexual: you've lied to me

15:19:44 pete_dushenski: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/4-banks-including-jpmorgan-fined-in-europe-over-cartel-behavior/

15:20:41 pete_dushenski: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/why-high-frequency-trading-is-so-hard-to-regulate/ << because what's mpex anyways?

15:20:44 othernubs`: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZvVKFM9

15:20:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:21:45 othernubs`: separared into chapters! oh my.

15:23:34 othernubs`: might be a fun lil project, we'll see

15:27:05 kakobrekla: jesus nubbs so poor cant afford tx fee

15:27:55 bounce: othernubs`, asciilifeform: how many actual code (C, C++, etc.) lines exceed 80 characters?

15:29:33 thickasthieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/21/7027267/google-launches-support-for-security-key-a-simpler-kind-of-two-factor

15:29:34 assbot: Google launches support for Security Key, a simpler kind of two-factor authentication | The Verge

15:36:22 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> cazalla BingoBoingo derpndesk.com/bitnet-lands-14-5-million-series-funding-rival-coinbase-bitpay/ << and somehow in spite of all these "investement" nobody is buying the shorts pretty much.

15:36:25 mircea_popescu: such strange money.

15:36:52 mircea_popescu: * Adlai must admit that he first misread that headline as "BitBet lands $14.5M ..." << da fuck would bitbet do with 15mn.

15:37:13 bounce: spend it on hookers and blow

15:37:22 Adlai: s/spend/invest/

15:37:43 bounce: then it's "no touching the merchandise"

15:38:02 kakobrekla: new css

15:38:24 kakobrekla: shady logo

15:39:07 kakobrekla: and a KYC team

15:39:38 mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZvVKFM9 <<< i like this shit.

15:39:42 kakobrekla: over wifi.

15:39:43 mircea_popescu: you two are doing it right.

15:40:21 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "know your cunt" ?

15:40:37 kakobrekla: know your chump doh

15:40:43 mircea_popescu: oh sorry

15:41:37 mircea_popescu: On 15 June 1961, two months before the construction of the Berlin Wall started, First Secretary of the Socialist Unity Party and Staatsrat chairman Walter Ulbricht stated in an international press conference, "Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten!" <<< nobody has any intention to fuck up bitcoin o.O

15:44:54 mike_c: ;;rate nubbins` trustworthy numismatic and printer

15:44:55 gribble: Error: 'trustworthy' is not a valid integer.

15:45:33 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1AT9JWJ.txt )

15:45:33 mircea_popescu: !b 2

15:45:48 RagnarDanneskjol: ha

15:46:07 mike_c: ;;rate nubbins` 1 trustworthy numismatic and printer

15:46:08 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.

15:56:25 pete_dushenski: ok, ima give this qntra news thing another hack.

16:09:33 othernubs`: shame deedbot is down

16:09:41 mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.

16:10:41 pete_dushenski: [–]gavinandresen[S] 26 points an hour ago Biggest misconception: That Bitcoin will Topple Governments and the Powerful. Governments will do what they always do -- they will adapt (well, the worst ones will fail, causing misery and suffering; maybe Bitcoin will speed that up a little, and mitigate the misery a little).

16:12:41 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski oyu know, if anyone gave a shit about either gavin or reddit they'd just go there.

16:13:17 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu granted :)

16:13:35 RagnarDanneskjol: deedbot is actually up - in here under different nick - just the server it lives on failed security audit

16:13:54 kakobrekla: wait what?

16:14:07 RagnarDanneskjol: yea

16:14:16 RagnarDanneskjol: punkman's ver is getting very close too

16:14:18 kakobrekla: punkmans deedbot runs on one of my droplets

16:14:28 kakobrekla: a you speak of the carcas

16:14:29 RagnarDanneskjol: talkin bout the old one

16:14:36 pete_dushenski: hey logs are back... just missing 5-16h

16:15:19 kakobrekla: what you are looking at atm is unlive version of logs

16:15:46 mircea_popescu: unlive, you mean dead ?

16:16:00 kakobrekla: its not dead, just not live

16:16:00 mircea_popescu: dead logs, by jim kakoosh

16:16:16 RagnarDanneskjol: is there a zip/torrent of all logs avail somewhere?

16:16:36 kakobrekla: i can make a zip

16:16:50 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ba_log_gibblet.txt << for those who missed...

16:16:52 RagnarDanneskjol: would be most grateful for it

16:17:04 bounce: ``I'd rather not speculate in an open forum about the best ways to screw with Bitcoin.'' (Perish_In_a_Fire) -- aww.

16:17:18 asciilifeform: ^ last 2000 ln.

16:17:23 mircea_popescu: what, our security lies in obscurity now ?

16:18:02 ben_vulpes: it'd be neat if he'd differentiate between Bitcoin the reference implementation which is bug-ridden and shitty, and Bitcoin the protocol which doesn't exist.

16:18:04 mircea_popescu: so "governments" will prevail, as fucking if there can even be such a thing as a government other than bitcoin ; and bitcoin gotta hide its misshapen form in the dark.

16:18:12 mircea_popescu: i totally wish to read more idiocy from this gavin puppet.

16:18:23 kakobrekla: asciilifeform saves the day

16:18:31 kakobrekla: literally.

16:18:44 mircea_popescu: lmao

16:19:05 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it exists, it's just not been made.

16:21:32 kakobrekla: anyway RagnarDanneskjol what do you want in the zip? csv? sql? a puddle? daily files?

16:22:18 *: Adlai is quite curious to see what happens if/when changes such as a the blocksize hardfork get pushed to the reference implementation

16:23:32 mircea_popescu: this is sort-of like wanting to see what happens if/when the soviets finally decide to cross fulda ?

16:23:52 Adlai: "some people just wanna see the world burn" ^_^

16:24:55 mircea_popescu: i'm all for it, the level of either cluelessness or desperation such a move entails is promising.

16:26:07 Adlai: such a drastic change would definitely cast this issue (and others) into the limelight, until now it's been confined to a few IRC channels and blog posts

16:26:43 bounce: with enough hashrate on 0.6 (or whichever, maintained etc.) and staying there, hardforks are bound to fizzle. could try and talk to large pool operators.

16:26:47 Adlai: as much as the timecube's four days revolve around the WoT, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who have heard about the hardfork proposal haven't heard any competing argument against it

16:27:08 mats_cd03: so?

16:27:16 mats_cd03: the only opinion that matters is that of miners.

16:27:32 mats_cd03: and... they won't let themselves get shit on.

16:28:41 Adlai: miners are people too, and people don't always make the best decisions. even if they act rationally, they might not be aware of all the information about an issue.

16:29:01 mats_cd03: uh...

16:30:01 chetty: You've long been a proponent of the "Bitcoin is an experiment" line of thinking. While that is technically true, so is "Gravity is just a theory". What needs to happen for you to switch from "Bitcoin is an experiment" to "Bitcoin is established"?

16:30:01 chetty: permalink

16:30:01 chetty: [?]gavinandresen[S] 38 points an hour ago

16:30:01 chetty: We need regulatory clarity, ease of use, and no-single-point-of-failure security.

16:30:02 chetty: I think we're very close on all of those things.

16:30:49 RagnarDanneskjol: kakobrekla - sorry nevermind -apparently Azelphur has everything logged since the beginning of time. I can throw it up somewhere for whoevers wants it

16:31:02 Adlai: gavin on the hardfork: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jw5pm/im_gavin_andresen_chief_scientist_at_the_bitcoin/clfns8j?context=3

16:31:03 assbot: gavinandresen comments on I'm Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation. Ask me anything!

16:31:05 mircea_popescu: Adlai the "most people" argument is pretty much nil.

16:31:20 mircea_popescu: most bitcoin reads mp way before it remembers who the fuck this gavin schmuck is.

16:31:42 mircea_popescu: because money doesn't think all that much of code monkeys. and definitely isn't going to start taking their ideas of how to manage things seriously.

16:31:49 Adlai: how closely coupled are "most bitcoin" and "most hashrate"?

16:31:52 mircea_popescu: it hasn't happened yet, in 100 years of computing.

16:32:05 mircea_popescu: most hashrate is a secondary factor here.

16:32:45 mircea_popescu: yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision.

16:32:50 diametric: maybe i'm mistaken but doesn't the white paper basically state a hard fork will be required in the future to address scalability?

16:32:56 mircea_popescu: their failure was signalled to them within minutes, and they obeyed that signal in an hour.

16:33:01 mircea_popescu: bitcoin will work no different.

16:34:32 othernubs`: ah, i forgot you can disable the backlight on this thing

16:34:50 othernubs`: outdoor irc, here i cum

16:34:52 mircea_popescu: diametric among a bevy of similar nonsense.

16:38:00 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision. // btw that was pretty impressive

16:38:22 mircea_popescu: after a fashion.

16:38:29 kakobrekla: RagnarDanneskjol if you can put them in order i can include them online (before the log starts)

16:38:40 Adlai: it'd be a little funny if all the devs agreed to the hardfork, got a working patch together, then went miner by miner and couldn't get a single one to agree to switch

16:38:56 RagnarDanneskjol: ok

16:39:02 mircea_popescu: they'd just be a iota more ridiculously pointless than they are today

16:39:21 mircea_popescu: which in the grand scheme of things isn't really much at all. they've already fucked the goat in the public market long ago

16:39:33 mircea_popescu: eating some earthworms or w/e isn't really doing much anymore.

16:46:30 mircea_popescu: %d

16:46:32 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 829946.86 in 1463 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 76.75

16:46:36 mircea_popescu: heh.

16:48:10 xanthyos: apparently canada is adding plastic content to its fiat paper to make it less rippable. the fiat may not be backed, but reinforced paper will fool the masses

16:48:29 thestringpuller: %tslb

16:48:30 atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46921): 0 hour(s), 5 minutes

16:48:44 xanthyos: and it has a picture of the queen on it, so that's worth something.

16:52:30 othernubs`: xanthyos, 100% polymer notes for a while now

16:52:42 othernubs`: they're neat, i'll sell ya one

16:53:01 mircea_popescu: dude this "father of invention" flic is the most god awful pandering piece of shit

16:53:20 mircea_popescu: it'd almost work as a parody of the redditard generation, except spacey is playing it full straight.

16:53:25 mircea_popescu: he should be fucking flogged for this one.

16:53:36 othernubs`: it's rare to see a paper banknote nowadays

16:55:32 othernubs`: xanthyos, postage is about $2 to usa, what denomination you want?

16:55:39 othernubs`: 5/10/20/50/100

16:55:56 xanthyos: the lowest

16:56:04 xanthyos: nevermind i dont' need this

16:56:05 xanthyos: it's silly

16:56:07 xanthyos: but thanks for the offer

16:56:10 othernubs`: haha

16:56:11 othernubs`: :D

16:56:21 othernubs`: pictures sort-of do them justice

16:56:32 othernubs`: altho the clear panel is way cooler in person

16:56:39 mircea_popescu: lol failed impulse buy. oh #b-a whay are you such a mall!

16:56:46 othernubs`: haha inorite

16:56:59 othernubs`: he prolly realized his local bank stocks CAD

16:57:10 mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard

16:57:17 xanthyos: i'm not a collector

16:57:32 mircea_popescu: no, he prolly realised that he doesn't need it or want to use it and it'll just gather dust

16:57:47 mircea_popescu: !up manamex

16:59:22 *: othernubs` glances at his coin collection

16:59:29 othernubs`: yeah, prolly ;/

16:59:30 mircea_popescu: !up pakaloloz

16:59:52 pakaloloz: Good Morning.

16:59:58 othernubs`: hi

17:00:08 othernubs`: welcome, even!

17:00:10 thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard haven't seen you in awhile

17:01:50 pakaloloz: so BTCJAM aka BTCSCAM announced... "We are happy to announce that we have added bank account & credit card verification!"

17:01:58 pakaloloz: How scary....

17:02:29 Adlai: so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". coincidence? i think not!

17:02:51 pakaloloz: I do think this may be as DPB says "#badforbitcoin"

17:03:33 *: Adlai hasn't figured out yet whether any of what happens on btcjam is not btcscam

17:03:47 Adlai: although admittedly i've spent a grand total of about fifteen seconds trying

17:07:53 kakobrekla: <Adlai> so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". < you be in wrong channels

17:08:19 mircea_popescu: Adlai there's not that much in a name.

17:10:23 *: Adlai will ask gavi what he thinks of the hardfork

17:21:38 fluffypony: http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/21/we-rode-a-hoverboard/?ncid=rss_truncated

17:21:39 assbot: We rode a $10,000 hoverboard, and you can too

17:21:40 fluffypony: want.

17:24:10 xanthyos: hoverboards don't work on water. not unless you have power.

17:25:39 asciilifeform: 'theoretically raise a building off of its foundation during an earthquake, essentially rendering the natural disaster's tremors harmless' << newton's laws crying from neglect

17:26:38 asciilifeform: the leper's bell of retarded sc4mz0rz - a flagrant and malignant disregard for elementary physics

17:27:41 xanthyos: but if the ground unit vibrated so too would its magnetic field and thus the building

17:27:45 xanthyos: though it would absorb shock

17:28:10 asciilifeform: why should it absorb shock?

17:28:50 asciilifeform: not that an electromagnetic shock absorber is impossible - it exists, and has for years - but no magic here.

17:29:20 asciilifeform: and magnetically-floated item is not resting on 'nothing at all', yes.

17:29:26 xanthyos: well there would have to be magnets in the ground to create the field for the building to be repulsed from in the event of an earthquake

17:30:06 asciilifeform: i have a very special, very deep loathing for 'kickstart' sc4mz0rs. especially of this particular species.

17:30:32 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, to be fair it's not the newton's law that is neglected here, but the fact that you won't get a magnetic field even close to be powerfull enough to support that weight

17:31:34 asciilifeform: nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object.

17:31:57 mike_c: on kickstarter those guys are selling a hover board for $450 that.. doesn't hover.

17:32:29 xanthyos: that propagated vibration would be less than the vibration the building would experience without the field gap between it and the ground magnets

17:32:33 Apocalyptic: "and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object." that's assuming a magnetic field of constant power, right ?

17:32:52 asciilifeform: they are selling 'hope, chance,' chope, hange.

17:33:56 xanthyos: unless they were "smartmagnets" that could generate the inverse wave to the vibration to cancel it out in the same way that some car radios use microphones to cancel out road noise

17:34:51 xanthyos: of course, a hacker could then simulate an earthquake on that building to the same extent of magnitude that the smartmagnets were designed to resist against

17:35:00 asciilifeform: say ground moves 20cm down and then 30cm back up, earthquake. or fell into a ditch. cancel that.

17:35:01 pete_dushenski: lol these contravex commenters are getting angrier and angrier: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/#comment-3605

17:35:02 assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

17:35:31 xanthyos: oh if the ground level changes that much there's no way a magnetic field could hold it consistently

17:35:36 xanthyos: project fail.

17:36:27 xanthyos: also the bouncing of the building would put equal force on the ground and magnetically try to push away the ground structure even more

19:12:24 mircea_popescu: o look, there's a 20 yo junior rabbi in the house. lmao.

19:12:38 mircea_popescu: bounce it works splendidly too.

19:12:49 mircea_popescu: ;;google ludovico dandolo

19:12:50 gribble: Andrea Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dandolo; Francesco Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Dandolo; Giovanni Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Dandolo

19:12:51 othernubs`: speaking of unobtainium, these metallic inks are getting us a bunch of jobs lately. offset printers can suck it

19:13:06 mircea_popescu: visited the man's grave, too. he was the first and the thickest cock to rape byzantium.

19:13:20 mircea_popescu: you know, like obama, the us ally, was the first and perhaps the thickest cock to rape washington.

19:13:25 bounce: wouldn't benevolence require some sort of intelligence or something?

19:13:40 mircea_popescu: bounce yes, it is begging the question.

19:13:55 mircea_popescu: obviously nothing in nature can be "benevolent" seeing how human agency is an ulterior layer.

19:14:05 mircea_popescu: it's like asking for an "app aware" tcp/ip implementation.

19:14:20 mircea_popescu: othernubs` i tell you, i love my gold ink cards.

19:14:25 bounce: inasmuch as that humanity is part of nature, though picturing itself above it.

19:15:02 mircea_popescu: bounce no, inasmuch as fist though your skull moves the matter of your skull around in one way, but MEANS in a number of different arbitrary ways

19:15:39 bounce: this doesn't compute. take your hand outta my brains and try again?

19:16:10 othernubs`: mircea_popescu, latest job is biz cards and letterheads w/ gold ink for a boutique hotel

19:16:29 mircea_popescu: bounce i dunno how.

19:17:02 mircea_popescu: let's try it this way. suppose there's a cathedral tower with a clock.

19:17:09 mircea_popescu: what's the time ?

19:17:21 othernubs`: depends how far away the tower is

19:17:42 mircea_popescu: othernubs` o, you want fist in skull too ?

19:17:51 othernubs`: HEH

19:17:59 othernubs`: tell me i'm wrong ;)

19:18:09 *: othernubs` cackles

19:18:25 mircea_popescu: you're not wrong or right, we're not there yet. just waiting for bounce to pick a time.

19:18:51 othernubs`: do it, bounce!

19:19:55 bounce: well, try this on first: "tcp/ip" generally refers to the whole stack. supposing you really ment IP (layer 3, conventionally), then "app aware" (with app: layer 7) would be a bit of a layer violation.

19:20:12 mircea_popescu: bounce exactly my point.

19:20:20 mircea_popescu: "benevolence" as an objective quality is a layer violation.

19:20:20 bounce: I ment that layer 7 still needs the lower layers to function, it doesn't float in air

19:20:51 mircea_popescu: no, it doesn't need them "to function", because it functioning is not a layer 7 thing.

19:20:57 undata: well and even among apps, "benevolence" could be defined differently

19:21:14 mircea_popescu: undata awareness, not benevolence. map correctly!

19:22:00 undata: that's a much harder term to define.

19:22:02 bounce: what is benevolence, really? apparently we can have malicious packets and software, but benevolent ones?

19:22:43 bounce: er, tcp doesn't do crap without ip to transport it. the layers do build on each other

19:22:56 Adlai: malefactors gonna malefact but packets just pack

19:23:01 chetty: isnt the difference between malicious and benevolent and mattr of viewpoint?

19:23:34 mircea_popescu: bounce that is just a manner of speaking.

19:23:43 mircea_popescu: they're obviously not malicious in and of themselves.

19:23:47 Adlai: well there is a missing object. malice and benevolence don't exist in a vacuum, they have to be directed at something

19:23:58 mircea_popescu: just, the fucktards that write about things they don;'t understand, when they're not busy husslking pete in his comment section,

19:24:05 bounce: it does include a value judgement. so it'd require a judging facility

19:24:06 mircea_popescu: misuse the words.

19:24:31 mircea_popescu: bounce it's irrelevant what it "does" at the level where ip is defined, see ?

19:24:46 mircea_popescu: stop mixing utility into ideality, that's not how thinking works.

19:24:51 bounce: "zomg rude!" -- some new guy with no clue of the local rules. << appears to be an american thing?

19:25:00 mircea_popescu: makes no difference "what use is the sun to us", that's an ontological point not an ethical one.

19:26:17 bounce: so there's no ethics to archimedes' mirrors?

19:26:30 mircea_popescu: none.

19:26:39 mircea_popescu: othernubs`> imagine living in a world where logic can fail <<< that's life in a "social sciences" universe.

19:26:54 mircea_popescu: their logic fails all the god damned time, mostly because it's not logic, self-supported, it's dreamweaving

19:27:01 mircea_popescu: and dreamweaving MUST be constantly maintained.

19:27:43 bounce: warzones typically are unhinging because there's no rhyme or reason to the happenings.

19:27:54 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ << this is incidentally great reading on the topic, albeit in languages.

19:27:54 assbot: Inchipuiti-va pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:28:09 bounce: (thus we conclude that wars are applied social science)

19:28:17 mircea_popescu: not rly.

19:28:43 bounce: Y U NO LIEK my logic?

19:28:49 mircea_popescu: warzones are "unhinging" because the complexity of "society" is a function of the mean distance between individual and his own death

19:29:03 mircea_popescu: if that is reduced significantly, the need for some forms goes away.

19:29:20 mircea_popescu: that's why the classical, 19th century murican has the reputation of being uncouth and direct and undecourous in europe

19:29:32 mircea_popescu: cuz he got to see his own death on average a lot closer than the average yurpean

19:29:37 bounce: I'd say the predictability is the more valued property there

19:29:49 mircea_popescu: how so ?

19:30:11 bounce: if everybody lives to, say, 30, then dies without fail, it's a fact of life

19:30:44 mircea_popescu: you ever been in a warzone ?

19:30:51 chetty: bounce, ever see 'Logan's Run' ?

19:30:54 bounce: no, and I'd like to keep it that way, TYVM

19:31:14 mircea_popescu: but it's nonsense. who the fuck thinks about "the future" lol. people in a warzone think about cunt, and maybe good cognac.

19:31:14 bounce: haven't seen it, roughly know the plot. probably should take the time sometime.

19:31:33 chetty: people died at 30 ...

19:31:34 mircea_popescu: to think about "your career" you gotta be so far away from a warzone your head'd be spinning

19:32:29 thestringpuller: ;;google keep their heads spinnin

19:32:30 gribble: Dr. Dre - Keep Their Heads Ringin' - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbnf9qCmhI; Why Figure Skaters Don't Seem Dizzy After Spinning: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/01/figure-skaters-dont-seem-dizzy-spinning/; THE READY SET LYRICS - Spinnin' - A-Z Lyrics: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/readyset/spinnin.html

19:32:35 thestringpuller: ah ringin'

19:34:28 mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> thestringpuller: where are you finding those dumps? I ended up writing a scraper... << twas in the chan like n times, but : bitcoin-otc.com/otc/

19:35:05 undata: it's interesting that one could ask himself whether it's ethical to establish the conditions necessary for ethical reasoning, but only under the necessary conditions...

19:35:40 mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?!

19:35:50 mircea_popescu: one can ask no ethical questions about ontos.

19:36:21 mircea_popescu: you can ask, "is it ethical to kill this man", you can not ask "is it ethical for this man to have been killed." obviously, he's dead, so nevermind.

19:36:35 undata: right, ethics concerns action

19:36:38 mircea_popescu: and confusing "was it ethical for this man to be kiled at he point in the past when he was" with "is it" is so fuckin dumb

19:36:49 undata: I was proceeding from the point about war

19:36:53 mircea_popescu: it automatically paints one as an intellectual failure of the english speaking school of idiocy.

19:38:02 mircea_popescu: anyway. there's no ethical violation in the dead being dead, no matter how they got to be there, nor in the raped to be dripping cum, nor in any other thing that is. they're fine as they are ; being trumps fretting.

19:38:44 undata: or, the present is all there is

19:39:14 mircea_popescu: something like that.

19:39:21 mircea_popescu: depends where you're going with it.

19:42:06 undata: talking about what's ethical in the present is hard to generalize

19:42:13 undata: that's what I was referring to above re: apps

19:42:45 undata: depends on what your goals are, and why, and why, and why

19:45:24 undata: modern neuroscience makes that "you" itself harder to define by the day

19:46:24 BingoBoingo: Fuck, is nothing newsworthy ever going to drop today?

19:47:06 thestringpuller: hahaha

19:47:47 BingoBoingo: I mean there's the Gavin Q/A, people recycling yesterday's news, and... is anything else happening?

19:48:35 undata: BingoBoingo: need moar ebola to get off or something? ha

19:48:43 bounce: start a bitcoin enterprise or something. then you can report on it yourself.

19:48:43 thestringpuller: http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/mit-computer-scientists-can-predict-price-bitcoin

19:48:43 assbot: MIT computer scientists can predict the price of Bitcoin | MIT News

19:48:54 bounce: got any A series VC?

19:49:36 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Other oulets reported that already. I remember thickasthieves making fun of them.

19:49:51 thestringpuller: thats all i got

19:50:15 Adlai: wonderful headline inflation there

19:50:59 thestringpuller: mit is lame

19:51:54 bounce: what's this "digital identity framework", other than a couple highfalutin' bullet points?

19:53:22 bounce: ``OMS is a trusted compute platform for developing and deploying secure cloud applications to collect, compute on and share personal data.'' -- apparently in the end it all hinges on "trust us, we have this centralised framework being trustworthy and shit"... again.

19:54:22 jurov: mircea_popescu ...runs code for a third party...<< this is same problem as DRM, i.e. you meed to prevent hardware owner to mucking out with third party code

19:54:28 mike_c: BingoBoingo: here's your headline: "Army Research Office funds bitcoin price research"

19:55:17 jurov: and it isn't solved at all for such general purpose case

19:55:49 bounce: it apparently start with openid. huh.

19:55:50 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Good one

19:55:55 bounce: s/start/&s/

19:56:10 mike_c: from (retarded) mit paper: "This work was supported in part by NSF grants CMMI=1335155 and CNS-1161964, and by Army Research Office MURI Award W911NF-11-1-0036.

19:56:46 bounce: if you dig a little deeper, see if you can't find the list of NSF grant numbers known to originate at the NSA

19:57:00 BingoBoingo: Interesting

20:17:04 kakobrekla: !up undata

20:23:12 assbot: [MPEX] [U] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00073875 = 4.8388 BTC [-]

20:23:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29670 @ 0.00073632 = 21.8466 BTC [-] {10}

20:24:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25525 @ 0.00073587 = 18.7831 BTC [-]

20:26:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25525 @ 0.00073587 = 18.7831 BTC [-]

20:38:27 BingoBoingo: bounce: No, manul post, that way it isn't spamming

20:38:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00073592 = 25.61 BTC [+] {2}

20:39:16 BingoBoingo: Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net

20:39:17 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast

20:39:43 Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object. // this is true but of no help to the argument, since if you can predict the amplitude/frequency of the "earthquake", you can impose the same variations on the intensity of the current generating your magnetic field

20:40:27 bounce: that means you'd be amplifying the whole thing

20:40:52 Apocalyptic: hence making the object go up or down relatively to the magnetic support, nullifying the eartquake (again all this in theory)

20:41:09 Apocalyptic: well bounce for the sake of the argument let's take the magnetic field generated by a simple solenoid

20:41:17 Apocalyptic: its strength is linear in I

20:41:54 Apocalyptic: what is this "whole thing" you consider ?

20:41:58 bounce: sure you can build a magnetic dampener; things with antiphase and enough room to move and things

20:42:17 Apocalyptic: afaik that was the topic yes

20:42:33 bounce: that doesn't mean that a big large fixed magnetic field will magically cushion any and all vibration, which I understand was the point

20:42:50 Apocalyptic: bounce, never I have seen the word "fixed"

20:43:12 bounce: it was pretty much implied

20:43:32 bounce: "here, magnetic field. problem solved." -- nooo, not quite

20:46:40 mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> // of course it's not, and nobody is contesting that. It just can made to have that sort of behaviour << that depends.

20:48:17 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites << Male 195 Female 9 shit's funny.

20:49:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, quantcast also seems to think thestringpuller is invisible

20:49:24 mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> its strength is linear in I << think about it. your field, want it or not, is a field. A field.

20:49:35 mircea_popescu: the movement of the underlying terrain, like it or not, is not uniform.

20:49:48 mircea_popescu: what are you going to do with one bick cock when confronted with ten thousand tiny microscopic cunts ?

20:49:51 mircea_popescu: it dun go.

20:50:23 mircea_popescu: you're gonna hope it averages out, but in practical reality you will have constructed a magnetic building toppler.

20:50:31 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, yeah, I assumed a simple, uniform, vertical translation as the movement

20:50:37 mircea_popescu: well ?

20:50:58 mircea_popescu: you can do the actual math involved, see the probability of your building ending up on the larger surface at the end of it all.

20:50:59 Apocalyptic: cause this all is "in theory"

20:51:05 mircea_popescu: it's mostly a function of its height and perimeter.

20:51:24 mircea_popescu: but it's not really a theory, more like a daydreaming, see ?

20:51:36 mircea_popescu: cause it doesn't properly account for the world, just for what the theorizer'd like.

20:51:49 Apocalyptic: indeed it does

20:52:02 mircea_popescu: which is how good theories are started, of course

20:52:07 mircea_popescu: but not what they actually are.

20:52:12 Apocalyptic: I was just merely showing a theoretical model where it does work

20:52:32 mircea_popescu: yeah i guess for a spherical vacuum earthquake it may help.

20:52:53 BingoBoingo: http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits./

20:52:53 assbot: Political Polarization & Media Habits | Pew Research Center's Journalism Project

20:54:13 mircea_popescu: who puts a dot in the url.

20:54:30 bounce: they're like, the next hot thing

20:54:31 mircea_popescu: is this some sort of new media, fuck up people's grepping ?

20:54:37 BingoBoingo: Awful people

20:54:43 bounce: used to be commas in urls were a thing

20:54:58 mircea_popescu: at least those aren't special chars in regex

20:55:19 thickasthieves: <@assbot> [MPEX] [U] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00073875 = 4.8388 BTC [-] ------ what's a [U]?

20:55:24 *: bounce doesn't mention the slashes

20:58:44 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves apparently assbot had a little trouble coming back.

20:58:47 cazalla: morning, no hang over today and sun is shining

20:59:10 *: kakobrekla is doing heart transplant on assbot

20:59:18 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urBbHrJnSmE

20:59:18 assbot: Bob Marley Sun Is Shining - YouTube

20:59:20 thickasthieves: does U mean something otherwise?

20:59:31 kakobrekla: unknown

20:59:33 thickasthieves: ah

21:03:42 bounce: apparently this "liberals" vs. "conservatives" thing has ameritardia thoroughly paralysed.

21:06:02 mircea_popescu: what is it even supposed to be anyway ?

21:06:35 thickasthieves: an excuse to do nothing but argue about doing nothing

21:06:40 bounce: oh hey, isn't that nice. instead of some js that'll popup a "[tweet] [fb]" thingy every time you select a bit of text, this here bunch has convenient prefab tweets with url and approved text that you but have to click on to tweet.

21:07:22 mircea_popescu: im sure it's all the win in social media.

21:07:36 undata: bounce: regarding repub/dem... anyone with a shred of intelligence has seen through it; however, those two parties have too much control over the election process to change anything

21:07:44 bounce: railroading, the new driver of discourse

21:07:56 mircea_popescu: bounce you realise what excellent seo this all is.

21:08:17 mircea_popescu: like, if you were google, right ? wouldn't you be fucking impressed to see the same text from 50 profiles all the damned time ?

21:08:35 bounce: with complete identical text and everything. bit-for-bit copies.

21:09:16 mircea_popescu: "i know, let's pay bob from Consultancy DerpAces LLC a million funbux so he can write an AI expert system that'll generate the text our readers would have put out! Save them the trouble!"

21:09:18 bounce: I'm like, "anybody click on that?" but [like] is a rather popular button too, no matter where you find the little fucker

21:10:02 mircea_popescu: tbh one of the things i like most about qntra is that there's no god damned "social media integration"

21:10:13 bounce: obxref cowclicker, but webscale.

21:10:46 *: bounce has a bunch of that blocked in hosts, but they keep coming up with new SMRTness

21:11:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I assume people are perfectly capable of transporting urls to social media on their own.

21:11:16 mircea_popescu: bounce i just don't run js. does a lot.

21:12:13 bounce: ``The Pew Research Center\u2019s Journalism Project, founded in 1997 as the Project for Excellence in Journalism, seeks to assess the state of news and information in a changing society.'' -- that prefab tweet thing brought to you by these guys. party on! excellent!

21:12:25 bounce: must be an american shop. no sense of irony.

21:12:55 mircea_popescu: well they got this fake "irony" which is mostly badly done sarcasm

21:13:03 mircea_popescu: (ie, the lowest form of wit)

21:13:06 bounce: 1615 L Street, NW, Suite 700, washington, dc. there you go.

21:13:21 thickasthieves: omg this arguing for bits and ubits conversation makes me wanna line reddites and punch them one by one

21:13:28 thickasthieves: line up

21:13:47 mircea_popescu: bits and ubits ?

21:14:00 bounce: the kind of irony you get from that song

21:14:03 Apocalyptic: the name that should be given to 10^-8 BTC

21:14:03 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you should watch Inside Llewyn Davis btw

21:14:07 thickasthieves: like the denomination

21:14:09 thickasthieves: ive seen it

21:14:20 mircea_popescu: it's quite accurate, very scalable, a pleasure.

21:14:20 kakobrekla: test

21:14:23 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0R32MNS.txt )

21:14:23 kakobrekla: !b 1

21:14:40 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic lmao the collection of nobodies are going to rename the satoshi ?

21:14:50 thickasthieves: the saddest part of the movie is nothing ever happens

21:14:50 Apocalyptic: it does seem they are trying at least

21:14:53 mircea_popescu: here's an idea, how about we have a poll in fucking uganda about what the us dollar should be called.

21:15:04 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be the ng'pula from now on.

21:15:28 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves o you saw it ?

21:15:28 BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/a-clash-of-clans-addiction-nearly-sank-the-royals-seaso-1648848299 << Mobile Gaming

21:15:28 assbot: A Clash Of Clans Addiction Nearly Sank The Royals' Season

21:15:36 bounce: n!pula then please. no pansy ' shit

21:15:38 mircea_popescu: it's not sad, it's great. that's exactly it. nothing ever happens.

21:15:42 thickasthieves: yeah, i like the actor, and the premise

21:15:57 thickasthieves: but felt a little wanting at the end

21:16:01 thickasthieves: i guess thats the point

21:16:05 mircea_popescu: i think the actor's an idiot that can't either act or sing, but that's okay : for one thing, so is timberlake. for the other : that's exactly the part.

21:16:25 mircea_popescu: like bridget fonda in jackie brown

21:16:45 mircea_popescu: that's exactly her job in life, being fucked in the ass for bubblegum and then shot in the stomach and left to bleed in a parking lot.

21:16:58 thickasthieves: lol alrighty then!

21:17:15 thickasthieves: yknow i felt the same way about jackie brown

21:17:23 thickasthieves: but i was a totally different person when i last watched it

21:17:39 mircea_popescu: that bridget fonda bitchlet fucking ruined city hall.

21:17:54 mircea_popescu: i'd have paid money to have the script altered so she gets run over by a bus.

21:24:07 thickasthieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dQW-9CgJy8

21:24:08 assbot: Tech Tuesday - BitCoin - YouTube

21:24:28 thickasthieves: includes chix saying bitcoin

21:25:18 mircea_popescu: !up Buzhang

21:25:25 Buzhang: hey!

21:25:28 mircea_popescu: ello

21:26:45 thickasthieves: http://www.corriere.it/tecnologia/economia-digitale/14_ottobre_20/phishing-comuni-hacker-bitcoin-ricatto-c457694c-5831-11e4-9d12-161d65536dad.shtml

21:26:45 assbot: tecnologia - economia-digitale Corriere della Sera

21:28:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00073587 = 7.5795 BTC [-]

21:29:42 []bot: Bet placed: 1.05424999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,397.

21:34:07 thickasthieves: this MIT price prediction paper is such a cocktease

21:34:33 Buzhang: what is bitcoin

21:34:46 thickasthieves: it basically says more modelling would be requried to learn anything meaningful

21:34:47 Azelphur: Buzhang: it's a series of tubes.

21:35:40 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves mit paper "we need more money" news at

21:37:16 Buzhang: !s kim kardashian

21:37:17 assbot: 14 results for 'kim kardashian' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kim+kardashian

21:37:46 thickasthieves: !s kardassian

21:37:47 assbot: 0 results for 'kardassian' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kardassian

21:38:04 jurov: mircea_popescu: even if second satoshi came and enable doing it safely, would you yourself lend your machines to the cloud for $0.01/hour (currently going price)?

21:38:27 Buzhang: !s *

21:38:27 assbot: Error - search.bicoin-assets.com : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2A

21:38:31 Buzhang: !s a

21:38:32 assbot: 103062 results for 'a' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=a

21:38:37 kakobrekla: !down Buzhang

21:38:46 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/im-gavin-andresen-and-welcome-to-jackass/

21:38:46 assbot: I'm Gavin Andresen And Welcome To Jackass | Qntra.net

21:39:09 Apocalyptic: jurov, h

21:39:16 Apocalyptic: *what specs for this price ?

21:40:19 jurov: Apocalyptic doesn't matter. even if the machine may be beefy, it is unpredictably intermittent

21:40:32 mircea_popescu: jurov a) how is 0.01 an hour the current going price ? b) motherboard 50bux, cpu 100 bux, memory 50 bux, hdd 50 bux. don't need a monitor.

21:41:01 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.01 * 24 * 365 / 300

21:41:01 gribble: 0.292

21:41:13 mircea_popescu: seems a 29% yearly return is not the worst fate.

21:41:22 jurov: you forgot electricity :)

21:41:40 mircea_popescu: well yea, $0 is the currently going price for that

21:41:44 mircea_popescu: if we're making up numbers, why not/.

21:42:03 Apocalyptic: also to nitpick the prices you listed add up to $250n not $300 :)

21:42:09 kakobrekla: 4

21:42:10 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i felt generous.

21:42:11 jurov: and it's ballpark figure for spot instances, why would our price be vastly different?

21:42:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22118 @ 0.00073583 = 16.2751 BTC [-] {2}

21:42:44 mircea_popescu: jurov if you mean spot instances such as amazon or w/e, a) those come with riders and b) try and get a dedicated ip say.

21:44:35 jurov: a) is better and cheaper solved by distribution of $maxint mass produced boxen than relying on users to diy

21:44:44 mircea_popescu: but this aside : yes if this existed i'd be using it pretty much exclusively

21:45:25 jurov: where you can control the whole machine

21:45:28 mircea_popescu: jurov you're missing the key point of it, which is, no government gets a say in what code runs.

21:45:33 mircea_popescu: this is something amazon can never provide.

21:45:41 BingoBoingo: %p

21:45:44 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 4830.06 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s

21:47:07 jurov: waitwait... and how do you prevent govt being one of highest bidders?

21:47:20 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,351.

21:47:50 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls.

21:48:46 cazalla: Qntra has surpassed 100 posts btw

21:48:56 mircea_popescu: yay.

21:50:10 jurov: what can be done right now, maybe, platform for exchanging machines between DCs?

21:50:49 jurov: as in, you can host spares for other services and vice versa to be switched quickly in case of ddos?

21:51:30 jurov: or peer-to-peer operated CDN?

21:52:33 jurov: there is existent software for this, just some business mastermind to monetize it

21:52:39 mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. << bitbet has a broken url

21:55:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00073689 = 4.7161 BTC [+]

21:56:34 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.8359 BTC. Current weight: 62,167.

21:57:00 kakobrekla: jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#886501

21:57:00 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 20:59:10; *: kakobrekla is doing heart transplant on assbot

21:57:31 jurov: and brain stays the same?

21:57:38 kakobrekla: ye

22:12:54 pete_dushenski: http://www.terrajoule.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Forecasted-Prices-Million-btu-in-the-Year-2020.png

22:13:56 kakobrekla: http://www.terrajoule.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Forecasted-Prices-Million-btu-in-the-Year-2020.png

22:16:48 kakobrekla: now only to cut the head off and we are done

22:17:08 mod6: at least ur defibulator works

22:17:19 kakobrekla: :)

22:17:26 kakobrekla: also installed pacemaker

22:17:46 pete_dushenski: "by breeding draft horses that ran on cultivated, nutrient-dense fodder, [Europe saw] substantially lowered transportation costs. This allowed the value of northwestern Europe's bulk transportation networks to radically increase and made it very nearly as inevitable that that region would be the pioneers of the industrial revolution."

22:18:02 BingoBoingo: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/75/2/498.full.pdfhttp://circ.ahajournals.org/content/75/2/498.full.pdf

22:18:07 mod6: haha hopefully minus jvm

22:31:27 jurov: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1243275397/air-umbrella u can make everyone else wet nao

22:31:28 assbot: Air umbrella by Air umbrella — Kickstarter

22:33:03 jurov: also, hair :/

22:39:36 ben_vulpes: code review, please: https://www.refheap.com/92123

22:39:37 assbot: anonymous's paste: 92123

22:40:09 *: kakobrekla added a proxy to site title parser so assbots ip is not sniffable that way anymore

22:40:31 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes 0.5.3!

22:40:35 ben_vulpes: yup.

22:40:42 pete_dushenski: ilike.

22:41:45 Apocalyptic: regarding: "20 sed -i '/USE_UPNP:=0/d' ./makefile.unix", why not USE_UPNP:=- ?

22:41:52 ben_vulpes: rips out UPNP support.

22:42:14 jurov: ;;later tell othernubs` just make one big scroll. turing machine needs turing tape!

22:42:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:42:21 Apocalyptic: exactly, you want it ?

22:42:29 ben_vulpes: do I?

22:43:57 ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: do let me know if there's a good reason to keep UPNP in there.

22:43:58 jurov: disablewallet=1 would not work with 0.5.3

22:44:03 Apocalyptic: well if you don't I don't see the point in the '0',

22:44:06 Apocalyptic: there is not

22:44:20 ben_vulpes: oh oh

22:44:29 Apocalyptic: but then just replace the '0' with a hyphen

22:44:56 jurov: also rpcpassword is required

22:44:59 Apocalyptic: nukes it straight away (and yes there actually is (or was) 3 levels for that var in the makefile, 1,0 and - )

22:45:13 cazalla: that poker BRO breakout scam has raised 36.33 btc so far, they must be disappointed

22:45:47 kakobrekla: !s poker BRO

22:45:48 assbot: 1 results for 'poker BRO' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=poker+BRO

22:46:00 ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: i'm reading in doc/build-unix.txt that the options are USE_UPNP=, USE_UPNP=0 and USE_UPNP=1

22:46:04 cazalla: !s brocoin

22:46:04 assbot: 0 results for 'brocoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=brocoin

22:46:09 ben_vulpes: i want to compile without it. period. full stop.

22:46:15 cazalla: !s qntra poker

22:46:16 assbot: 0 results for 'qntra poker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=qntra+poker

22:46:26 kakobrekla: lol no luck cazalla ?

22:46:32 cazalla: i posted about it :\

22:46:40 jurov: ben_vulpes: just read the makefile and try whatever sticks. i remmeber having to, too

22:47:22 ben_vulpes: well it builds quite happily.

22:47:22 Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, aha, so i guess i mistook the hyphen for the empty char

22:47:23 Apocalyptic: anyway use "USE_UPNP=" to build without it

22:47:23 ben_vulpes: later they introduced the hyphen, that apparently wasn't a thing at 0.5.3

22:47:41 ben_vulpes: so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable?

22:47:44 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/breakout-gaming-release-bro-coin-details/

22:47:44 assbot: Breakout Gaming Release BRO Coin Details | Qntra.net

22:47:44 cazalla: they give each person a different address to send btc for their bro, surprised they didn't pump up the numbers to make it look more popular than it is

22:47:48 Apocalyptic: so i'm not imagining it at least, heh

22:48:08 Apocalyptic: <ben_vulpes> so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable? // that i do not know, not a bash specialist

22:48:35 kakobrekla: ben_vulpes i assume theres a default value ?

22:48:56 kakobrekla: grep it

22:49:02 ben_vulpes: in the makefile?

22:49:41 kakobrekla: where theres any config?

22:50:10 ben_vulpes: i ripped the assignation line out entirely. later there's an ifndef that assigns it to the hyphen.

22:52:04 mike_c: ben_vulpes: i know in later version i had to explicitly set it blank

22:57:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26626 @ 0.00073574 = 19.5898 BTC [-] {3}

23:04:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00073689 = 23.6542 BTC [+]

23:12:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00074008 = 16.1337 BTC [+] {4}

23:25:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00073564 = 20.9657 BTC [-] {3}

23:26:46 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/kncminer-to-cease-retail-sales-sick-of-problematic-customers/

23:26:46 assbot: KnCMiner To Cease Retail Sales, Sick Of Problematic Customers | Qntra.net

23:27:38 TheNewDeal: knc the new bfl?

23:27:55 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: But with moar Ikea furniture

23:27:55 TheNewDeal: or is that just too much of a stretch

23:28:01 TheNewDeal: oOo

23:32:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67478 @ 0.00073531 = 49.6172 BTC [-] {2}

23:33:00 TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform?

23:40:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00073528 = 14.0438 BTC [-]

23:40:34 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/21/adding-value-to-bitcoin/ << the latest.

23:40:35 assbot: Adding Value To Bitcoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

23:41:27 pete_dushenski: jeff garzik made me do it. with a little nudge from Pierre_Rochard

23:44:44 ben_vulpes: updated with a blank assignation for UPNP: https://www.refheap.com/92126

23:44:45 assbot: anonymous's paste: 92126

23:54:02 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/alansilbert/status/524688712303931392 << man those silberts crack me up.

23:54:03 assbot: The /yBitcoin fall guide has arrived! /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash http://t.co/3eKlTYIVe1

23:54:15 pete_dushenski: anyways, i'm out. cheers!

23:55:34 ben_vulpes: later pete

23:56:03 Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, "libqrencode-dev" is really needed for bitcoind 0.5.3 ?

23:56:10 ben_vulpes: oooh

23:56:24 ben_vulpes: no, leftover from my experiments with 0.6

23:56:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12612 @ 0.00074036 = 9.3374 BTC [+] {2}

23:56:51 ben_vulpes: all of a sudden i want to rip SSL out as well

23:56:54 ben_vulpes: but baby steps

23:57:13 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You need to get crypto functions from somewhere

23:57:44 Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, otherwise it seems pretty reasonable

23:57:56 ben_vulpes: libqrencode-dev purged

23:58:15 ben_vulpes: build passes

23:58:57 ben_vulpes: well

23:59:01 ben_vulpes: compiler poops

23:59:06 ben_vulpes: no idea what's in the turd.