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00:05:04 shinohai: http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/20/the-teenaged-maker-who-was-arrested-for-building-a-clock-is-moving-to-qatar/ <<< in order to learn how to make better clocks no doubt.

00:05:05 assbot: The Teenaged Maker Who Was Arrested For Building A Clock Is Moving To Qatar | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1W38q3I )

00:05:33 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo can you check the qntra spam filter for a comment of mine ? i think it got scarfed.

00:05:41 pete_dushenski: twas last night something

00:05:47 pete_dushenski: sometime*

00:06:12 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell jurov thanks for the coinbr fix !

00:06:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:06:16 mircea_popescu: ahaha. if "meets obama" clocktard comes back a decade later onboard a plane that slams into the wh and kills the us president, i WILL write the "obama trained a future terrorist" article.

00:06:29 mircea_popescu: and this isn't that far fetched, either : us is just about due for a dead president.

00:06:51 shinohai: I don't think it's far-fetched either.

00:07:10 pete_dushenski: qatar > mit.

00:07:36 pete_dushenski: middle east > usistan, despite lack of own brass bullets

00:08:02 mircea_popescu: of course, qatar is a reasonably rich, aspirational sort of arab world

00:08:05 mircea_popescu: not exactly pakistani

00:08:09 shinohai: Also, mircea_popescu added a new term to my vocabulary: clocktard

00:08:21 mircea_popescu: did you see the clock the kid made ?

00:08:26 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303942 << i recall this aversion as well. when i was 12 ;p

00:08:26 assbot: Logged on 20-10-2015 22:16:14; jurov: maybe it's just me but i don't like porn zooming all in to genitalia and spending minutes there, especially in this time of huge HD screens

00:08:38 mircea_popescu: as alf pointed out, with the power chord still attached, it looks like one of those retard constructions

00:08:43 pete_dushenski: thus, lesbians and chicks in wet t-shirts !

00:09:19 shinohai: Any other kid with half a brain would have written a cool clock script in python and showed his teacher.

00:09:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu qatar is 'not exactly pakistan' for as long as it can fend off isis. so what, a few years ? a decade ?

00:09:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00052679 = 1.7384 BTC [-]

00:09:51 mircea_popescu: you will notice isis is not really going for qtar

00:10:06 mircea_popescu: they'll probably conquer athens before qatar.

00:10:29 pete_dushenski: now there's a bet

00:10:54 shinohai: s'ok Putin got it under control. He'll squash them like they did Afghanistan in the 80's

00:10:55 mircea_popescu: the LAST thing they want is rich people who are also muslims dislinkign them.

00:11:23 pete_dushenski: i'd take even money on qatar falling before athens, if anyone's interested

00:11:43 mircea_popescu: how to be measured ?

00:12:13 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Gotta resubmit. Last night means there's about 3/4 of a MB of fresh spam to dig through

00:12:39 pete_dushenski: can't grep or otherwise search ?

00:12:42 mircea_popescu: ouch bb that sdounds pretty bad

00:12:54 mircea_popescu: search for his email.

00:12:59 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not really. I mean if you can offer an hour and minute UTC.

00:13:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: WIll try that

00:14:39 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/10/troubled-bitpay-signs-up-gaming-platform/#comment-68863 << Approved

00:14:40 assbot: Troubled BitPay Signs up Gaming Platform | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OH37bk )

00:14:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00052679 = 15.3296 BTC [-] {2}

00:15:41 pete_dushenski: cheers mate.

00:16:26 pete_dushenski: aite, i'm off to go bang my head against pergolesi's magnificat. such a bitch, this thing. later !

00:16:58 mircea_popescu: what's the problem with banging hos

00:18:46 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304100 << he 'made' nothing. my initial description was proven correct, he disassembled an old clock (folks found which make & model) and glued into a box.

00:18:46 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 00:08:21; mircea_popescu: did you see the clock the kid made ?

00:19:21 mircea_popescu: well he didn't invent it, he still made it. if you got a fish in a fishtank and it makes a poop, it didn't make that poop ?

00:19:28 asciilifeform: in that sense - yes.

00:19:29 mircea_popescu: what are you, obama ?

00:19:30 BingoBoingo: Fucker didn't even make the box?

00:19:32 mircea_popescu: well yeah.

00:19:38 asciilifeform: obummer.

00:19:45 mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski

00:20:00 *: asciilifeform just opened a 'your costs will go up exponentially' thingie from 'health insurance'

00:20:18 mircea_popescu: change you can believe in.

00:20:23 mircea_popescu: more of the same and less of everything.

00:20:34 asciilifeform: !s chocolate ration

00:20:35 assbot: 2 results for 'chocolate ration' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chocolate+ration

00:21:20 mircea_popescu: if vlad tepes were half-black dude born in kenya,

00:21:26 mircea_popescu: he'd probably have impaled people on toothpicks.

00:21:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1304004 << holy fuck, i have two. paid a hundy for each.

00:21:42 assbot: Logged on 20-10-2015 23:27:02; phf: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-3600-LISP-MACHINE-KEYBOARD/321810769726 << was trying to buy this one, got as high as $1100 on best offer, guy wouldn't go any lower then $1400

00:22:04 mircea_popescu: o look, they also went up exponentially in future

00:22:05 asciilifeform: but somehow i doubt that the market for these has 'depth'

00:22:30 mircea_popescu: phf wouldja pay him 4 btc for one ?

00:22:31 asciilifeform: i got an 'old-style' and 'new-style' (the latter is pictured in the ebay link)

00:22:39 asciilifeform: one (but not both) is for sale...

00:22:46 asciilifeform: (other - also for sale, but with whole orchestra)

00:23:06 mircea_popescu: please buy his old junk so he can uproot already kthx.

00:23:35 asciilifeform: * the former is pictured

00:23:51 phf: you're selling the whole orchestra, huh?

00:24:05 asciilifeform: old: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Symbolics-keyboard.jpg new: http://www.asl.dsl.pipex.com/symbolics/photos/IO/keyboard_6074.jpg

00:24:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1W39ULy )

00:24:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1W39ULA )

00:24:16 asciilifeform: phf: i've been (futilely) selling it for ages.

00:24:37 asciilifeform: http://webwit.nl/input/misc/symbolics1.jpg << nice photo of them side by side

00:24:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1W39XXx )

00:25:15 asciilifeform: phf: machine: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51

00:25:17 assbot: Loper OS » “Lisp, Lisp, Lisp Machine, Lisp Machine is Fun!” ... ( http://bit.ly/1W39ZP9 )

00:26:08 mircea_popescu: "Here's what happened on 9/12 at my hospital, and what happens in so many cases of high-emotion altruism: they take the day off in order to go to NYC, but then don't actually go (car wouldn't start; heard on the radio they were blocking volunteers, etc). They win: they get the reward of the sacrifice, perform no actual sacrifice, and get the day off. Meanwhile, someone else had to sacrifice to cover their responsibil

00:26:08 mircea_popescu: ities.

00:26:08 mircea_popescu: I think Rita Owens meant the statement "more Caucasian men stepping up" as a jab at blacks to get them movitated, but if it is factually accurate then these Caucasians are idiots. Really? Big Brothers? That's the call you heard? Whites seem particularly prone to manic devotions to faddish volunteerism inspired by celebrity that are transparently self-aggrandizing. And temporary-- they inevitably quit when the nex

00:26:11 mircea_popescu: t fashion comes along. "

00:26:13 mircea_popescu: awww!

00:26:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303995 << more of a ming vase.

00:26:58 assbot: Logged on 20-10-2015 23:22:28; mircea_popescu: phf and what's this say about inflation ? note that they are artwork in any sense.

00:27:05 asciilifeform: (than, e.g., rembrandt)

00:27:08 asciilifeform: but yes, artwork.

00:29:13 phf: so what are you asking for whole orchestra?

00:29:26 asciilifeform: difficult question. because i cannot offer ANY guarantee that it will survive shipping.

00:29:34 asciilifeform: in fact, i can pretty much guarantee that it will ~not~...

00:29:54 phf: doesn't need to, i will pick it up from the door

00:30:14 phf: assuming it's in DC

00:30:23 asciilifeform: hm. if the keyboard thing is any indicator, i now have nfi what the thing is worth.

00:31:45 BingoBoingo: <phf> assuming it's in DC << Awe, I though I would get a chance to open Bingo's courier service.

00:32:48 phf: delivery by dc bike messenger

00:34:24 asciilifeform: and i have yet to meet with anybody who really grasped what he'd be getting into, buying this machine.

00:34:53 BingoBoingo: phf: Nah, motor courier service operating out of the central US, but if you are closer...

00:35:03 asciilifeform: especially now that dks has run short of parts (as, by all indications, he has, or we wouldn't be having this conversation..)

00:35:11 phf: asciilifeform: well twenex was selling a handful of ivory's for ~5000k, so a 3620 with it's power requirements and refrigerator size will be some fraction of that

00:36:05 asciilifeform: i see 9.5k

00:36:09 asciilifeform: wonder how he intends to ship it

00:36:15 asciilifeform: less of an issue, interestingly, with the xl1200

00:36:40 asciilifeform: (it is considerably lighter, something quite like a '90s pc)

00:36:50 phf: well, it's fraction of a size

00:36:51 phf: right

00:37:24 phf: i assume it's also significantly quieter ;)

00:37:32 asciilifeform: likely.

00:37:37 *: asciilifeform does not have a xl

00:38:02 *: asciilifeform has it on good authority that at least one u.s. army lab still runs a number of xl boxes !

00:38:06 asciilifeform: as in, 24/7

00:38:13 asciilifeform: they never, ever go down.

00:38:16 asciilifeform: for any reason.

00:40:27 phf: BingoBoingo: i'm actually moving to dc, so yeah, will be within shooting distance from ascii

00:40:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1304077 << this was an obscene - in the sense of serving as conclusive proof that everyone who parroted the story in the fishwrap, etc. is long overdue to be boiled for soap - because - think about it...

00:40:40 assbot: Logged on 20-10-2015 23:50:06; mircea_popescu: If you agree with this, then you have to also face the fact that Wolf didn't consciously plan, "no matter what happens in this interview, I'm going to cover it up"-- it was a reflex, an instinct. Get a drink, think about this: a reporter's instinct wasn't to go for the truth, but to go with the scripted story.

00:40:54 asciilifeform: what is a weather balloon? how much does it lift ?

00:41:08 asciilifeform: is this quantity within an order of magnitude of what a boy (even a very small boy) weights

00:41:23 asciilifeform: and did anyone so much as bother to consider it?

00:42:25 BingoBoingo: phf: Ah. Entire appeal of Bingo's occasional courier service would largely be derived from proximity to US highways 50 and 40 facillitating broad range of lateral movement.

00:46:24 phf: could target ebay sales of oversized, hard to deliver items

00:46:25 BingoBoingo: Well that and carrying the payload the comfort only a reliable yet non-descript family sedan can provide.

00:46:45 BingoBoingo: phf: Qntra takes too much of my time for that.

00:47:53 BingoBoingo: Need the trifecta of over weight item, hard to insure, actually demands delicate treatment beyond UPS or USPS can provide

00:48:32 phf: might as well transport drugs

00:49:08 BingoBoingo: Nah, seizure risk is too much along with risk to qntra from lockup time

00:49:45 BingoBoingo: But endangered computing equipment, might be a niche market

00:50:05 asciilifeform: problem is not simply that it is oversized.

00:50:08 asciilifeform: but that it is a ming vase.

00:50:21 BingoBoingo: The serious problem

00:50:27 BingoBoingo: delicate

00:50:28 asciilifeform: as in, if it breaks, it cannot be meaningfully repaired (unlike the vase!) and certainly not replaced

00:51:59 BingoBoingo: Which is Y no UPS

00:52:02 asciilifeform: buyer would have to also understand that the thing is full of electrolytic caps, circa 1986; and there is a mechanical hdd

00:52:53 asciilifeform: which 1) uses incompatible, unreadable on any modern system whatsoever, electrical interface

00:53:08 asciilifeform: 2) cannot be reinstalled (i don't have the tapes, or the tape drive) even if you could obtain another.

00:53:40 asciilifeform: for a while i researched the protocol and tried to build a solid-state replacement, got nowhere, too much like actual work

00:56:07 asciilifeform: the really fragile part is the console.

00:56:18 asciilifeform: (it is not a mere display monitor, but actually its own - 16-bit! computer.)

00:56:46 asciilifeform: connects to the box itself with a thick triax cable

00:57:07 asciilifeform: (the machine is loud, as in vacuum cleaner, so idea was that it lives in its own room, console - in a quiet, distant one.)

01:02:21 *: BingoBoingo wishes more contemporary machines weren't afraid to be loud in the name of cooling.

01:04:35 phf: requires one of those futuristic syd mead houses, with an office room overlooking alpha centauri landscape, that's where you put the console. the computer is in the basement, calculating landing trajectories, for the private spaceship of your visiting friends

01:05:31 mircea_popescu: IF spaceships ever become a thing, then therefore surface living will be sort-of like mountain living today.

01:05:41 mircea_popescu: no sane people wanted to live in the plain, for all of history, until machinery.

01:05:56 mircea_popescu: it's prohibitively expensive and also nonsensical to land a spaceship. and so...

01:06:10 mircea_popescu: live in orbit, visit the surface like you visit the seaside today.

01:06:32 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> no sane people wanted to live in the plain, for all of history, until machinery. << On a hill by a river or coast has always been and forever will be ideal on earth

01:06:44 mircea_popescu: doesn't build too good cities tho.

01:08:07 BingoBoingo: Of course. Good people though only keep a townhouse in the city

01:09:05 phf: mircea_popescu: well, yes, in the above narrative it's a summer house, you go there if you want to be alone and study migration patterns of some quirky local species, which is your hobby. all the action is in the orbit

01:09:06 BingoBoingo: St Louis tried the city on a hill thing and only got Ferguson and a bunch of outlying areas that flood from time to time

01:10:25 mircea_popescu: i suppose in the south of the future the masters live in orbit and the slaves roam below. to be abducted now and again for sexual services or w/e.

01:11:22 BingoBoingo: And further in the future quality slut breeders get a place in orbit without the good view.

01:13:27 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304224 > good cooling doesnt have to be loud

01:13:27 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 01:02:21; *: BingoBoingo wishes more contemporary machines weren't afraid to be loud in the name of cooling.

01:13:50 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: It does if you need to cool all the power

01:14:13 BingoBoingo: Sure one can quietly cool even a great machine.

01:14:41 BingoBoingo: But how does one quietly cool a monster

01:17:13 kakobrekla: with a monster heatsink

01:18:23 BingoBoingo: Sure, but if the monster wants to idle at 300C you need moar than a heatsink. I'm disappointed there aren't many if any new chips like this

01:19:18 kakobrekla: nah.

01:20:59 mircea_popescu: temperature is not really the problem for a heatsink.

01:21:13 mircea_popescu: (think about it - temperature helps its function, that's how it works).

01:21:20 mircea_popescu: heat debit might be, maybe.

01:21:59 BingoBoingo: At some point gotta bring in a fan

01:24:11 kakobrekla: hot air will raise creating some draft

01:25:38 BingoBoingo: But if air heats faster, there's gotta be a limit before you bring in the noise to bend air to your will

01:26:18 mircea_popescu: the only time you have to fan it is when the thing is INTOLERANT of temperature. the higher temperature it can tolerate the less fan you need.

01:26:37 BingoBoingo: base materials gotta have melting points

01:28:08 BingoBoingo: Also a wouldn't a 250 GHz chip cooled by having a small jet engine intake pull away the hot air be cool?

01:28:55 BingoBoingo: I mean an oil cooling system that burn the oil (Jet A only)

01:29:35 phf: new ricer fad, how loud your system is, neighbors call cops, "bro, i'm compling gentoo with -O10"

01:30:18 BingoBoingo: Seriously, except you tell the Po-Po you are curing cancer by donating your spare cycles

01:31:35 phf: verifying gavinblocks

01:35:56 mircea_popescu: if you move the air fast enough it will actually add heat.

01:39:25 BingoBoingo: That too

01:39:45 BingoBoingo: To both previous non join/part lines actually

01:48:28 BingoBoingo: Randiant heat from the engine also a hazard.

01:51:11 BingoBoingo: Fuck, radiant heat. We are talking about engines in general, not John Galt's in particular.

02:08:22 deedbot-: [fraudsters] The problem with altruism... - http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-problem-with-altruism/

02:23:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47950 @ 0.00052679 = 25.2596 BTC [-]

02:30:11 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304235 << iirc there was a film...

02:30:11 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 01:10:25; mircea_popescu: i suppose in the south of the future the masters live in orbit and the slaves roam below. to be abducted now and again for sexual services or w/e.

02:30:16 asciilifeform: forgot the title

02:32:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304253 << perhaps BingoBoingo should look into the LN2 pc recipe.

02:32:12 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 01:28:08; BingoBoingo: Also a wouldn't a 250 GHz chip cooled by having a small jet engine intake pull away the hot air be cool?

02:32:30 asciilifeform: (at the very least, to get a feel for the actual physical limits involved.)

02:35:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14117 @ 0.00052614 = 7.4275 BTC [-] {3}

02:35:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Actually right now I'm working on a qntra piece on biological limits. originally targeted it for end of the month, but should be out by end of the week

02:36:10 *: asciilifeform was not aware of there having appeared new biological limits...

02:36:19 *: asciilifeform thought that qntra was a nyooz site

02:37:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tis a new site. The biological limits part involves US Law enforcement and clearnet markets they seem to like vs dislike.

02:38:46 BingoBoingo: i.e. WHy are Darknet busts full og C IV xanax paraded while clearnet C III busts not so much an only involve... to be revealed

02:41:01 BingoBoingo: And if asciilifeform gendarmie predictions come true the still will like...

02:41:11 BingoBoingo: As regular army does

02:49:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00052612 = 5.2612 BTC [-]

02:58:55 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304267 << http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/ >> In the year 2154, the very wealthy live on a man-made space station while the rest of the population resides on a ruined Earth. A man takes on a mission that could bring equality to the polarized worlds.

02:58:55 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 02:30:16; asciilifeform: forgot the title

02:58:57 assbot: Elysium (2013) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhkQU1 )

03:01:09 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/11/50_of_american_kids_receive_fo.html << check out this crazed shitthink! "In meeting the basic needs of children, the only real alternative to the family is the state, an alternative that is increasingly incapable of meeting the growing need." / "Children depend upon political proxies to advance their societal claims."

03:01:11 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: 50% of American Kids Receive Food Stamps ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnyH6b )

03:01:37 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304206 << have you considered LTL ?

03:01:38 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 00:47:53; BingoBoingo: Need the trifecta of over weight item, hard to insure, actually demands delicate treatment beyond UPS or USPS can provide

03:01:40 mircea_popescu: derpy "social worker" just gave himself a monopoly. he is needed, don;'t you know, because parents aren't "political proxies" for their children. heck, parents don't exist at all.

03:01:43 mircea_popescu: nuts.

03:02:45 deedbot-: [Qntra] Operation Cyber Juice: Police and Their Favorite Drug of Abuse, Part 1 - http://qntra.net/2015/10/operation-cyber-juice-police-and-their-favorite-drug-of-abuse-part-1/

03:03:22 BingoBoingo: ^Carl Mark Force IV leniency tour is starting

03:04:24 ben_vulpes: ;;google fraudsters supermarket

03:04:25 gribble: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/; Strategic superiority, a saga on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/; The "Christian Europe" and other aberrant notions on fraudsters - A ...: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-christian-europe- (1 more message)

03:05:19 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: which is the article in which you discuss what a "supermarket" is?

03:06:03 mircea_popescu: ummm

03:06:20 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/of-skimmed-milk-and-skimming-the-milk/ ?

03:06:21 assbot: Of skimmed milk and skimming the milk on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhlBfL )

03:07:21 mircea_popescu: or what was it saying ?

03:08:37 ben_vulpes: no, i think it was recent.

03:08:47 mircea_popescu: uh.

03:08:59 ben_vulpes: lol 'twas hanbot

03:09:02 mircea_popescu: what sort of recent ? this year ?

03:09:02 ben_vulpes: pardon

03:09:07 mircea_popescu: lol!

03:15:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00052605 = 25.1978 BTC [-] {3}

03:22:30 ben_vulpes: hey y'all want to hear a funny article title?

03:22:40 ben_vulpes: "Scrap the Welfare State and Give People Free Money"

03:24:28 mircea_popescu: how about "stop pretending like you're gonna be doing things and go to bed." ?

03:31:30 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

03:31:38 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 270.61, vol: 27754.99262617 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 268.41, vol: 7776.8212 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 271.01, vol: 13951.93325364 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 277.0, vol: 16.20753493 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 277.25237, vol: 31328.09070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 270.0, vol: 221.69807201 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 271.210928638, vol: 113.39290322 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

03:44:24 mircea_popescu: "Medical journals are rarely accused of ideological bias, they are accused of financial bias. The press are rarely accused of financial bias, they are accused of ideological bias. If you studiously spend one month looking for the opposite bias in both, what will happen is that you will become an alcoholic. "

03:44:26 mircea_popescu: lolz.\

03:44:50 mircea_popescu: the source talking about bias is not a legitimate debiasing approach.

03:45:16 mircea_popescu: but, in the interest of postmodernism, the kernel should have a futher /u/bias/ which should contain bits describing the bias-ness of the /u/rand

03:45:23 mircea_popescu: generated the same way, of course.

03:45:31 BingoBoingo: Always

03:45:31 mircea_popescu: shit, they do this already.

03:48:06 asciilifeform: today i learned (tm) that most ethernet cable presently sold is a fraud - copper-plated aluminum. and that if you want actual copper - it'll be ~150 usd / 300 metre bobbin, or so.

03:48:38 asciilifeform: (it is customarily sold in such bobbins, in usa)

03:49:24 BingoBoingo: Same for electical cable. I pity the fire departments.

03:49:42 asciilifeform: the price of this humble construction material has nearly doubled since i last had to buy.

03:49:56 mircea_popescu: how much do you expect to pay ?

03:50:04 asciilifeform: about half.

03:50:08 mircea_popescu: it's expensive. it was good money 20 years ago, and it's not going away.

03:50:14 asciilifeform: naturally

03:50:15 mircea_popescu: about half, yes, but then the tarp funds.

03:50:42 asciilifeform: thieves were not tearing out pipes from public buildings, or live high voltage mains, 20 years ago, in usa.

03:50:48 asciilifeform: copper - scarce, yes.

03:51:55 asciilifeform: the only reason i mention the cable tidbit is the sheer mindfuck of learning of the 'copper-clad aluminum' fraud

03:52:28 mircea_popescu: copper cable was always made of aluminum.

03:52:41 asciilifeform: and bread - always of sawdust and rat shit, yes.

03:53:12 mircea_popescu: comes from br, the ancient ur word for sawdust, and ead, which is rat droppings in maori.

03:53:19 asciilifeform: there we go.

03:54:12 asciilifeform: 'bread of the sieve cable.'

03:54:16 asciilifeform: (ru in-joke.)

03:54:27 asciilifeform: (anglification of бред сивой кобылы)

04:10:08 BingoBoingo: ;;google "This godforsaken mixture"

04:10:09 gribble: Dagobah (Ass/Taint Injection Infection) : RedditsMuseumofFilth: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditsMuseumofFilth/comments/2xv594/dagobah_asstaint_injection_infection/; Hop, Russell Brand: Film review | Daily Mail Online: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/reviews/article-1372118/Hop-Russell-Brand-Film-review.html; Mylene Farmer - Beyond My Control (godforsaken Mix) - YouTube: (1 more message)

04:13:01 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304285 << i've considered many things, but the cost of any of them eclipse the worth of the box

04:13:01 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 03:01:37; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304206 << have you considered LTL ?

04:13:18 BingoBoingo: ;;google Until then, I?d only heard of ?alcohol showers.? Turns out 70% isopropyl alcohol is about the only thing that can even touch a scent like that once its soaked into your skin. It takes four or five bottles to get really clean, but it?s worth it. It?s probably the only scenario I can honestly endorse drinking a little of it, too.

04:13:19 gribble: Doctors/nurses/redditors, what has been your most gory, disgusting ...: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/xo41d/doctorsnursesredditors_what_has_been_your_most/; Treatment Regimens - Poison Ivy, Oak, and Sumac Information Center: http://poisonivy.aesir.com/view/regimen.html; How do I get my hands to stop burning ??? (Archived thread): (1 more message)

04:13:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00052551 = 7.4622 BTC [-]

04:14:22 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is a candidate for single-handedly reviving the mega-newsgroup alt.tasteless ?

04:14:34 *: asciilifeform has a pretty decent archive somewhere

04:14:39 BingoBoingo: Mebbe

04:14:42 asciilifeform: mid-90s

04:14:54 BingoBoingo: First we need to revive "newsgroups"

04:15:15 BingoBoingo: For real though, none of this HTML shit

04:28:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00052551 = 3.9939 BTC [-]

05:13:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10140 @ 0.00052598 = 5.3334 BTC [+] {3}

05:23:55 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/c2ba427794f9125fa67e4c873463f556/tumblr_ng2ody7eLR1soqeaqo1_400.gif

05:23:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ln9Lzx )

05:26:04 mod6: "harshly reprimanded, and convicted"

05:27:58 mod6: :]

05:30:27 ben_vulpes: !s exwm

05:31:27 assbot: : http://s.b-a.link/?q=exwm

05:31:27 ben_vulpes: search down for anyone else?

05:32:36 mircea_popescu: <mthreat> search is down because linode is rebooting due to a Xen security thing <

05:32:41 mircea_popescu: !up mthreat

05:32:42 ben_vulpes: ah

05:32:44 mircea_popescu: you can voice rite ?

05:32:49 mthreat: lazy

05:32:53 mthreat: thx

05:32:53 mircea_popescu: kk

05:33:05 mthreat: linode cutting into my beauty sleep

05:33:20 mircea_popescu: linode was and remains a piece o shit.

05:33:38 *: mircea_popescu isn't gonna forget those bitcoin they stole.

05:33:44 mthreat: replacement?

05:33:50 mthreat: i won't be storing any btc on this node!

05:33:56 mthreat: it works for search.b-a

05:35:06 mircea_popescu: myeah. replacements are hard, apparently, i still need one for nsa.

05:35:22 mircea_popescu: for that matter, i need a domain registrar too.

05:38:22 BingoBoingo: registrar sounds harder

05:53:38 mthreat: search should be restored

05:53:49 mthreat: !s fubar

05:53:49 assbot: 11 results for 'fubar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fubar

05:54:10 mthreat: any problems, lemme know

05:54:24 ben_vulpes: !s exwm

05:54:25 assbot: 2 results for 'exwm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=exwm

05:56:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00052684 = 1.8439 BTC [+]

06:09:55 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

06:10:02 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 269.22, vol: 26054.43163597 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 267.073, vol: 7749.95575 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 270.04, vol: 13829.90842367 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 280.0, vol: 17.63297499 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 275.987616, vol: 29775.32340000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 268.05321, vol: 200.52973947 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 265.6836, vol: 112.74677561 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

06:10:15 BingoBoingo: ;;more

06:10:16 gribble: average: 271.738206628

06:16:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21899 @ 0.00052981 = 11.6023 BTC [+] {6}

06:18:09 mircea_popescu: danke mthreat

06:29:41 mircea_popescu: from the notrly news dept : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/20/western_digital_bad_hard_drive_encryption/

06:29:42 assbot: Western Digital's hard drive encryption is useless. Totally useless • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZWhhZL )

06:30:51 mircea_popescu: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/20/wordpress_security_flap_xml_rpc_brute_force/ << notice the one missing thing in the laundry list.

06:30:51 assbot: WordPress blogger patch foot-drag nag: You're tempting hackers • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZWhrAo )

06:56:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20128 @ 0.00053371 = 10.7425 BTC [+]

07:08:42 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/is_genetically_modified_food_s.html << o look, there was a study about gmo toxicity. oddly i never heard of it.

07:08:43 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Is Genetically Modified Food Safe? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rn99eF )

07:25:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.0005286 = 12.1049 BTC [-]

08:32:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15868 @ 0.00053204 = 8.4424 BTC [+] {3}

08:39:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25176 @ 0.00052614 = 13.2461 BTC [-] {3}

08:40:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6874 @ 0.00052328 = 3.597 BTC [-]

09:05:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38233 @ 0.00053011 = 20.2677 BTC [+] {5}

09:25:07 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/0AEVOsu.png

09:25:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnZIpW )

09:32:06 HeySteve: crumbs, the new buttcoin desktop background

09:34:40 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRyY7CSUAAAGypg.jpg

09:34:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kpwTVr )

09:40:09 punkman: http://nypost.com/2015/10/16/fbi-accused-of-stiffing-landlords-who-helped-bust-russian-spy/

09:40:11 assbot: FBI accused of stiffing landlords who helped bust Russian spy | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ko0Ee1 )

09:43:19 punkman: https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3oswdt/unusual_happenings_with_inactive_radio_stations/

09:43:20 assbot: Unusual happenings with inactive radio stations, signaling something big about to happen? : conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ko0NOK )

09:50:59 HeySteve: #InternetOfThings is when your toaster mines bitcoins to pay off its gambling debts to the fridge (twitter.com)

09:52:30 punkman: https://hybriddiplomacy.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/pizza.jpeg

09:52:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ko1kQG )

10:03:27 BingoBoingo: I think I have a clearer idea now of how alf's brain handles sportz https://www.xkcd.com/1593/

10:03:27 assbot: xkcd: Play-By-Play ... ( http://bit.ly/1kpCBGI )

10:20:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65400 @ 0.00053298 = 34.8569 BTC [+] {4}

10:25:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00053382 = 4.6976 BTC [+]

10:33:50 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304338 << it would cost more than 10k ?? Most I've seen a pallet go for is still under 500, and that's cross-country

10:33:50 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 04:13:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304285 << i've considered many things, but the cost of any of them eclipse the worth of the box

10:48:27 punkman: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/20/alabama_judge_orders_poor_defendants_to_give_blood_to_avoid_jail.html

10:48:28 assbot: Alabama judge orders poor defendants to give blood to avoid jail. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKIPLM )

10:54:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00053385 = 3.47 BTC [+] {3}

11:22:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.0005335 = 10.75 BTC [-]

11:36:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00053447 = 10.3153 BTC [+] {2}

12:23:24 Naphex: new talent on XOtika :o https://xotika.tv/#/channel297/FleurRebelle

12:23:25 assbot: XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDWAYZ )

12:45:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00053174 = 13.6657 BTC [-] {4}

13:09:50 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRLMgy9UsAAhcIH.jpg:large

13:09:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1jAEYX4 )

13:10:31 punkman: win

13:23:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00053222 = 14.8489 BTC [+]

14:00:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23903 @ 0.00053222 = 12.7217 BTC [+]

14:01:27 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.37000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b36

14:02:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00053556 = 14.0585 BTC [+] {5}

14:05:29 Naphex: punkman: lol

14:39:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00053765 = 5.3496 BTC [+] {3}

14:42:18 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304387 <<< http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303552

14:42:18 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 06:29:41; mircea_popescu: from the notrly news dept : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/20/western_digital_bad_hard_drive_encryption/

14:42:18 assbot: Logged on 20-10-2015 17:18:02; ascii_field: http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1002.pdf <<<>>> http://dpaste.com/0FPGSGH

14:42:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304392 << 'gmo' == monsanto/roundup in precisely the same sense as 'pc' == winblowz.

14:42:50 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 07:08:42; mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/is_genetically_modified_food_s.html << o look, there was a study about gmo toxicity. oddly i never heard of it.

14:43:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00053783 = 3.1194 BTC [+]

14:43:31 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304411 << nope. handled same way as viagra spam.

14:43:31 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 10:03:27; BingoBoingo: I think I have a clearer idea now of how alf's brain handles sportz https://www.xkcd.com/1593/

14:43:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.

14:44:26 mircea_popescu: an re gmo the guy even addresses the washing.

14:44:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304415 << considerably more than 10k: an appraiser would have to show up and ascertain that the thing still works, before it is shipped; and it'd have to be crated (wood) and packed in air

14:44:27 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 10:33:50; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304338 << it would cost more than 10k ?? Most I've seen a pallet go for is still under 500, and that's cross-country

14:47:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: washing doesn't remove substance taken up by the plant while it was alive (nor insecticide secreted internally)

14:47:51 mircea_popescu: well yeah

14:49:20 asciilifeform: in other nyooz, http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/10/breaking-512-bit-rsa-with-amazon-ec2-is-a-cinch-so-why-all-the-weak-keys

14:49:21 assbot: Breaking 512-bit RSA with Amazon EC2 is a cinch. So why all the weak keys? | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1RW95nf )

14:49:48 asciilifeform: (summary: ~75 usd per key.)

14:50:07 mircea_popescu: "because nothing is ever deleted"

14:50:08 mircea_popescu: good enough ?

14:50:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00053291 = 14.2287 BTC [-] {3}

14:51:02 asciilifeform: from same rag, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/us-charges-hacker-with-providing-isil-info-on-us-military-personnel

14:51:03 assbot: US charges hacker with providing ISIL info on US military personnel | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1RW9je1 )

14:52:16 mircea_popescu: heh.

14:52:30 mircea_popescu: chickens looooong left that coop.

14:52:51 mircea_popescu: shoulda took better care of things, by which i mean, shoulda sucked elite cock moar, dear usarmy.

14:53:34 asciilifeform: interesting moar for the fact of malaysia enabling arbitrary kidnapping by usg of whoever

14:54:00 mircea_popescu: it allows arbitrary of whoever by whoever already anyway.

14:55:55 asciilifeform: wake me up when a country with indoor shitters and an electric grid hangs u.s. 'law' enforcers in public.

14:56:14 asciilifeform: for so much as setting foot there.

14:56:32 mircea_popescu: mexico.

14:56:49 asciilifeform: not an indoor shitter country

14:56:53 asciilifeform: at least, not the part that hangs.

14:56:55 asciilifeform: so no.

14:57:14 mircea_popescu: lybia.

14:57:18 asciilifeform: ditto.

14:57:25 mircea_popescu: your definitions are retarded.

14:57:36 asciilifeform: how so?

14:57:47 mircea_popescu: "give me an example of X in non-X and i'll pretend i mean something else by non-X. see, you can't, go me!"

14:57:48 punkman: you could bring your own shitter

14:57:50 mircea_popescu: wtf, are you 12 ?

14:58:09 asciilifeform: it is pretty elementary that goatfuckistans will resist usg

14:58:22 asciilifeform: but they do not make for an alt-civilization

14:58:31 asciilifeform: that i'd care to have anything to do with, at any rate.

14:58:42 mircea_popescu: your ideas of goatfucking are unwelcome, in that you don't even judge you could survive on your own in buenos aires.

14:58:52 mircea_popescu: i might as well ask what 12 yo virgins think of handling households.

14:58:58 asciilifeform: what means 'on own' ?

14:59:09 mircea_popescu: hands in pockets, flavour country style.

14:59:25 asciilifeform: i do not, for instance, own personal reactor. rely on other folks', believe.

14:59:37 mircea_popescu: (you realise "goat country" is a proxy for disability right ? we don't call them cruthces, we call them mechanical mobility aids! )

14:59:56 mircea_popescu: of the 12 mn people living here, NONE owns personal reactor.

15:00:25 asciilifeform: then none 'survive on their own' ?

15:00:44 mircea_popescu: fact is they survive, and if asked to discern what is and isnt a goatfuckingstan i'd take their word above yours

15:00:57 asciilifeform: point was, if you are escobar, the middle of the sea can be a civilized country for you, because you can afford to re-create it.

15:01:09 mircea_popescu: but you aren't, and this discussion wasn't in any sense germane.

15:01:16 mircea_popescu: what if you are you know, not escobar.

15:01:41 mircea_popescu: ;;google flavour country

15:01:42 gribble: Urban Dictionary: flavour country: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flavour+country; Urban Dictionary: flavor country: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flavor+country; Flavour Country - Blood Everywhere (Ben and Mike before Royal ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck4hEtVMgR0

15:02:21 mircea_popescu: hm, eikther i recall this wrong or the world has forgotten a decade later

15:02:33 mircea_popescu: and to think marlboro spent a billion on those stupid billboards and gave that schmuck cancer.

15:02:36 asciilifeform: my attempted point was precisely that, not being escobar, many more places are uninhabitable from my pov, because i cannot afford to terraform them.

15:02:54 mircea_popescu: you can't even afford to analyse them, apparently.

15:03:16 asciilifeform: whereas mircea_popescu could, if he for some odd reason wished, live in antarctica. so it is not 'goat country' for him.

15:03:47 mircea_popescu: what do you even know of mexico ? you ever been there ? and i don't mean fucking cancun with arizona university sluts.

15:04:26 asciilifeform: have not been there in person, no.

15:04:43 mircea_popescu: how trhe heck would you know. fucking chiapas is one of the best places on earth.

15:04:51 mircea_popescu: and no, i didn't go there in airforce one. i went there BY BUS

15:05:02 asciilifeform: but you went there while being mircea_popescu, no ?

15:05:05 mircea_popescu: thanks fucking god i had the presence of mind to do that when i was 20

15:05:16 mircea_popescu: so what does that do ? ungoatistanize mexico ?

15:05:25 asciilifeform: for a 20-y.o. mircea_popescu, perhaps kabul would have also appeared 'best place' ?

15:05:30 mircea_popescu: mno.

15:05:49 mircea_popescu: chiapas is mostly forrested hills with most of hte world's amber.

15:05:58 mircea_popescu: the air is sweet. no goats live there.

15:06:17 *: asciilifeform has nothing against goats per se

15:06:19 mircea_popescu: oh also, it's "the free and sovereign state of chiapas"

15:06:41 asciilifeform: sounds appealing. what does a 4GB SDRAM stick cost there ?

15:06:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00053783 = 17.1568 BTC [+]

15:07:04 mircea_popescu: bout the same as everywhere else.

15:07:11 mircea_popescu: however, edible mango costs nothing.

15:07:19 mircea_popescu: (they make most of the mango you;ll ever eat in the us)

15:07:23 *: asciilifeform stuffs new pin into map.

15:07:37 *: asciilifeform misread above as 'will never eat'

15:08:12 mircea_popescu: also, in 1994, they rose up in armed rebellion. you know why ?

15:08:17 asciilifeform: ..?

15:08:24 mircea_popescu: so no, the free and sovereign part is no joke.

15:08:26 mircea_popescu: look up the why.

15:09:30 *: asciilifeform bbl

15:47:22 lobbes: <mircea_popescu> also, in 1994, they rose up in armed rebellion. you know why ? << looks like they weren't having none of that NAFTA stuff, huh?

15:47:30 mircea_popescu: aha.

15:47:36 mircea_popescu: thinkaboutit.

15:48:08 mircea_popescu: someone, somewhere, actually took up arms to resist nafta. and the respect they're paid is, "oh, goatfuckistan". who in oregon ? who in california ? who, anywhere ?

15:48:17 mircea_popescu: "oh but it wasn't on reddit". of course it wasn't on fucking reddit.

15:51:03 pete_dushenski: interesting that nafta tried to be afta

15:51:05 mircea_popescu: 1.

15:51:15 mircea_popescu: well of course.

15:51:40 mircea_popescu: the way these things work is that they try to cover as much as possible.

15:53:25 pete_dushenski: this was the essential dispute over canadian softwood lumber vis-a-vis regulatory jurisdiction under nafta

15:58:22 pete_dushenski: canadian provinces wanted to subsidise their industry via 'stumpage fee' but usistan said that this was 'unfair' and imposed a compensatory duty on canadian softwood lumber. much fur flew but canada eventually agreed to 'anti-dumping' price schemes.

15:59:21 mircea_popescu: aha.

15:59:26 pete_dushenski: actually, the 'softwood lumber agreement' expires this month.

15:59:28 mircea_popescu: quite not the same thing.

16:01:31 pete_dushenski: well, it's the same thing in the sense that u.s. wanted tightly controlled and self-advantageous 'free trade'. canada complied. argentina didn't.

16:06:30 mircea_popescu: well that's what i meant lol

16:06:35 mircea_popescu: (mexico, anyway)

16:07:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00053101 = 8.1245 BTC [-]

16:10:11 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304455 << speaking of islamic state, looks like canuckistan is pulling out of their aerial offensive

16:10:11 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 14:51:03; assbot: US charges hacker with providing ISIL info on US military personnel | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1RW9je1 )

16:10:41 pete_dushenski: i hope we can still be friends and push through that keystone xl pipeline business ;p

16:14:54 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304492 << hollywood also killed first 'tin man' with lead paint. where's his memorial ?

16:14:54 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 15:02:33; mircea_popescu: and to think marlboro spent a billion on those stupid billboards and gave that schmuck cancer.

16:14:58 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=louBM-Mix7s

16:14:59 assbot: The Wizard of Oz (5/8) Movie CLIP - Finding The Tin Man (1939) HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAplMa )

16:17:09 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304509 << the enduring depth of the prison of the mind...

16:17:09 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 15:06:41; asciilifeform: sounds appealing. what does a 4GB SDRAM stick cost there ?

16:22:44 pete_dushenski: "Chinese cross-border investment in greenfield projects and in expansion of existing projects in Africa fell by 84 per cent in the first half of this year compared with a year earlier, from $3.54bn to $568m." << the waterfall is drying up.

16:23:39 pete_dushenski: "VC investment in bitcoin companies dropped 41% from $145m to $85m – the lowest total of the last four quarters" << in more than one place.

16:24:23 mircea_popescu: it will drop a lot more before we're done with them.

16:24:31 deedbot-: [fraudsters] The sad story of Sacrifice - http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-sad-story-of-sacrifice/

16:24:41 mircea_popescu: and no bitcoin investment into "vc companies" or any other fiat bullshit is going to happen until we get some serious structural reforms.

16:25:26 mircea_popescu: on the table : fiat sovereigns renouncing their alleged power to coerce taxation.

16:26:05 mircea_popescu: recognition of b,tmsr~ supremacy in commercial legal matters ; personal immunity to members, the lot.

16:26:26 mircea_popescu: read up on the original merchant's guilds for a broad idea.

16:26:49 pete_dushenski: i can see renouncing taxation of income and capital gains, sure, but real estate tax would still seem to be on the table, no ?

16:27:21 mircea_popescu: no. first, they admit they do not have the right to steal.

16:27:35 mircea_popescu: THEN we might turn the other way for a little time over a little tax leftovers to make the transition smoother.

16:27:38 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, no.

16:28:13 mircea_popescu: and if real estate holders think pooling THEIR moneyt is such a great idea, guess what ? they will.

16:28:13 pete_dushenski: their 'right' is might.

16:28:23 mircea_popescu: no such thing.

16:28:39 pete_dushenski: as monopoly on force ?

16:28:57 mircea_popescu: if they really need a lot of their agents hung we'll hung them alright.

16:29:02 mircea_popescu: if no such need, no such hangings.

16:29:07 mircea_popescu: what might ? there's no might.

16:29:46 pete_dushenski: i agree that it doesn't exist per se in practical terms, too expensive to implement, but property 'owners' are cattle

16:29:56 pete_dushenski: they're perfectly persuadable by threats

16:31:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00052401 = 23.9473 BTC [-] {7}

16:48:40 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

16:48:57 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski sure, but that'd be their problem.

16:49:28 pete_dushenski: fair 'nuff

16:49:47 pete_dushenski: i won't wander too far down that path then

17:01:53 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304524 << aha, nobody in oregon.

17:01:53 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 15:48:08; mircea_popescu: someone, somewhere, actually took up arms to resist nafta. and the respect they're paid is, "oh, goatfuckistan". who in oregon ? who in california ? who, anywhere ?

17:02:11 ascii_field: because, imho, limonov was right.

17:03:05 mircea_popescu: howssat ?

17:03:20 ascii_field: to take up guerilla arms, your life needs to have meaning outside of the electric grid.

17:03:46 ascii_field: i.e. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188615

17:03:46 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 21:37:26; mircea_popescu: war means, i fear i have to remind, spending the next 5 years without a woman eating your belt and shitting in a hole you dug yourself.

17:04:07 mircea_popescu: your life has to have meaning.

17:05:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00052266 = 4.1551 BTC [-]

17:06:44 ascii_field: speaking of americans, http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/10/21/air-force-test-launches-minuteman-missile-from-california

17:06:46 assbot: Air Force Test-Launches Minuteman Missile From California « CBS Los Angeles ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6TtIh )

17:06:59 *: ascii_field did not know that these were today rare enough to make nyooz

17:07:44 ascii_field: http://www.afgsc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123461433 << better pic

17:07:45 assbot: F.E. Warren tests Minuteman III missile with launch from Vandenberg AFB ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6TsnY )

17:08:56 punkman: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-saudi-prince-beverly-hills-20151019-story.html

17:08:57 assbot: Saudi prince avoids felony charges in sex assault case near Beverly Hills - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSFdZ4 )

17:09:29 mircea_popescu: lemme guess. "sex assault" means he fucked his own maid.

17:09:46 punkman: "Neighbors reported seeing a bleeding woman screaming for help as she tried to scale an 8-foot-high wall that surrounds the property at the end of a cul-de-sac"

17:09:48 ascii_field: attempted maidfuck

17:10:43 mircea_popescu: ?Generally, if someone doesn?t do something wrong, they don?t get arrested,? he said. ?Just the simple human aspect of it, he could?ve apologized ? for doing what he did.?

17:10:47 mircea_popescu: logic.

17:10:56 ascii_field: lulgic

17:11:08 mircea_popescu: "he could have at least apologized so i could say "hey, someone doesn't apologize if they didn't do anything" instead of this weak sauce "they don't get arrested if they didn't do anything".

17:11:23 mircea_popescu: seriously, that's what he got ? woulda sorted a lot of fergusson problems, this logic.

17:11:59 mircea_popescu: these fucktards already gave humanism a bad name, they'll manage to shit simple "human" too ?

17:14:19 mircea_popescu: ascii_field but the important point you're not making re mexico is that... it worked.

17:14:42 mircea_popescu: this is how this thing works : always better than you expect it to, and the inconvenience is never quite as significant as you imagined.

17:16:41 punkman: @wikileaks ANNOUNCE: We have obtained the contents of CIA Chief John Brennan's email account and will be releasing it shortly.

17:17:10 mircea_popescu: "unredacted"

17:35:24 pete_dushenski: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/17/wealth-therapy-tackles-woes-of-the-rich-its-really-isolating-to-have-lots-of-money

17:35:25 assbot: Wealth therapy tackles woes of the rich: 'It’s really isolating to have lots of money' | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSJOKz )

17:35:48 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:35:52 ascii_field: l0lwtf

17:35:56 ascii_field: 'wealth therapy' ?!

17:36:25 pete_dushenski: involves surprisingly little champagne and blowjobs

17:36:44 *: ascii_field recalls scene from 'silicon valley' where a rich fella (fictionalized steve jobs) compares his troubles to that of jews in germany

17:36:59 mircea_popescu: you know, in my experience beauty is A LOT more isolating. i spent my fucking youth doing psychotherapy on six foot, one gallon titted blond 17 to 22 yo beauties who wanted to be PEOPLE

17:37:26 ascii_field: if mircea_popescu can help them, perhaps he could even cure mathematicians!

17:37:38 mircea_popescu: helped em alright. it really is not that hard.

17:37:51 ascii_field: with the Wand of Curative Thrust ?

17:38:08 mircea_popescu: to put that issue into its proper perspective,

17:39:20 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/de-pe-cind-eram-io-mai-tinar/#selection-91.425-91.487

17:39:20 assbot: De pe cind eram io mai tinar on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSKFuU )

17:39:38 pete_dushenski: gabrielradio ^

17:39:49 mircea_popescu: lol

17:40:09 mircea_popescu: it even has monica b in it!

17:40:10 pete_dushenski: i think he and i make a fierce little team :)

17:40:19 mircea_popescu: lol you're gonna do it too ?

17:40:41 pete_dushenski: he has to lay the foundation before i can build the house

17:40:53 ascii_field: wai wat, pete_dushenski is a languages aficionado ?

17:41:03 pete_dushenski: hardly..

17:41:17 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: do you know any ru ?

17:41:24 pete_dushenski: mnope

17:41:44 pete_dushenski: gido didn't even teach dad ukr because... accent

17:42:43 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: ukr is not so hard. just learn ru and swap all the vowels with ы !

17:42:44 pete_dushenski: so father is monolingual, mother quadrilingual

17:43:08 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha hateur.

17:43:09 pete_dushenski: lol

17:43:43 ascii_field: laugh, but this is the language most of the actual ukr elite speaks (into the microphone. ru at home, without exception)

17:43:52 mircea_popescu: i windir whit inglish wild liik liki if i did thit.

17:44:02 ascii_field: chaucer !

17:44:09 mircea_popescu: chiicir!

17:44:11 ascii_field: aha.

17:44:29 mircea_popescu: amusingly, the romanian vernacular unarticulated agreement is ihi

17:44:41 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: i yearn to be a slumlord one day

17:44:46 mircea_popescu: but specifically with the ы not i.

17:44:56 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and you can make it norse! swap out the t's for ð's.

17:45:05 ascii_field: see, learn a language a minute in #b-a.

17:45:19 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: not a bad gig, really. actually does more for 'the people' than gov't ever did.

17:45:40 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if i wanted to be a usian slumlord, i'd buy a decrepit building, hold auditions for (nude) black women under 25, on the premise that they get to stay there free, but they don't get to say no to any cock.

17:45:52 mircea_popescu: prolly make pretty decent rent off all the state kid support.

17:46:26 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how is this any different than a ghetto brothel?

17:46:34 mircea_popescu: brutha dun have to pay.

17:46:40 ascii_field: wasn't there a thing where chicago police dept. had one.

17:46:44 mircea_popescu: aha.

17:47:23 mircea_popescu: heck, actually you could run the whole affair as a "clothes free zone".

17:47:29 mircea_popescu: gotta check them out at the gate.

17:47:31 pete_dushenski: https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/17/sex-traffickers-in-blue?utm_campaign=naytev&utm_content=56229484e4b037e37ef20fa7 << prolly on this list somewhere, the brothel

17:47:33 assbot: The People We Trust to 'Save' Women From Prostitution Keep Paying Them for Sex—and Worse - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSMqbn )

17:48:17 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i wouldn't trust whatever a reason.com reporter misunderstood on a topic he imagined.

17:49:02 pete_dushenski: tis just a link compilation

17:49:22 mircea_popescu: since you're doing the whole translation shtick, here's another super-hard one : http://fraudsters.com/2011/sfinta-inocenta-puberala/

17:49:23 assbot: Sfinta inocenta puberala on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSMKqD )

17:49:40 mircea_popescu: (originally, the ro iron guard anthem)

17:49:46 *: ascii_field l0lled hard over this one

17:49:52 mircea_popescu: o, you got it ? :D

17:50:04 ascii_field: aha, it was linked some time last year

17:50:08 mircea_popescu: ah

17:50:21 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell gabrielradio incoming : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304655 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304615

17:50:21 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 17:49:22; mircea_popescu: since you're doing the whole translation shtick, here's another super-hard one : http://fraudsters.com/2011/sfinta-inocenta-puberala/

17:50:21 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 17:39:20; mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/de-pe-cind-eram-io-mai-tinar/#selection-91.425-91.487

17:50:33 mircea_popescu: i do not think it ~can~ be translated. full stop.

17:50:43 pete_dushenski: he does the 'alley', i'll do the 'oop'

17:50:57 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that may well be

17:50:59 mircea_popescu: the who now ?

17:51:11 pete_dushenski: ;;ud alley oop

17:51:25 mircea_popescu: amusingly, it probably could be translated to ukrainian. just... english doesn't curse nearly enough.

17:51:36 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSPKFiaQ9no

17:51:37 assbot: Top 10 Alley-Oops of the 2012-2013 season! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSNcFk )

17:54:25 mircea_popescu: ascii_field so apparently amd not on provider's list. you can live with supermicro ? or want to mail your own box ?

17:55:12 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: can live with just about anything, old box was an intel

17:55:27 mircea_popescu: k.

18:01:05 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo you've got mail

18:01:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:21:25 mircea_popescu: ascii_field so the deal im ok-ing here is,

18:21:26 mircea_popescu: SuperMicro SuperServer 5018D-MTF Intel? XeonTM 4-Core E3-1231V3 3.30GHz Processor with 8MB Cache 5GT/s 80W 4x 240-pin DDR3 DIMM sockets 32GB DDR 3 1600MHz ECC Memory 4x 3.5" Hot-swap SATA3 HDDs w/ RAID 2 x Seagate 3.5" 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 7.2K RPM 128MB. 3 year warranty, to be delivered in 3 weeks (?!), < 4 btc + colo (3 ips, 100mbit) ~1 btc/mo.

18:21:42 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:21:47 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: spiffy box

18:22:01 mircea_popescu: i think the colo price is a little overboard, myself, but hey, maybe they're worth it.

18:22:38 ascii_field: one way to find out.

18:22:54 mircea_popescu: yeah, except we're 4 btc burned if it doesn't work out. i think.

18:23:00 mircea_popescu: you want the box in case this blows up ?

18:23:19 ascii_field: sure

18:23:32 mircea_popescu: alright, then it can be tangibles obviously.

18:24:11 mircea_popescu: ecc memory, btw.

18:24:21 ascii_field: spiffy

18:30:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00053146 = 3.0027 BTC [+] {3}

18:30:46 ascii_field: phun phakt of the day: gnupg 1.4.10 permits dynamically loaded turds, in a manner similar to openssl.

18:31:26 ascii_field: (appears to be switched off in a default build, but re-enabled if use of 'idea' cipher is enabled.)

18:31:50 ben_vulpes: ecc memory!

18:32:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you want one too ?

18:32:51 mircea_popescu: incidentally, if anyone else was wanting these... now when i have the pen in hand, i can write five like i write one, so speak up.

18:33:06 *: ascii_field prods diametric

18:34:27 mod6: ben_vulpes: should we get one for the foundation?

18:34:51 mod6: 1 btc/mo tho :/

18:35:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10480 @ 0.00052756 = 5.5288 BTC [-] {2}

18:35:18 ascii_field: funnily enough this is about what colo costs in gringolandia

18:35:26 mod6: better not for the time being.

18:36:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10471 @ 0.0005242 = 5.4889 BTC [-] {4}

18:36:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes prolly best wait a bit for that, as bitcoin isp mainstreamizes will be easier.

18:39:24 diametric: interesting.

18:40:38 diametric: is the previous managed provider being phased out in favor of colo?

18:41:35 mircea_popescu: diametric at your leisure.

18:41:52 mircea_popescu: for as long as you're happy with it you can keep it.

18:43:55 diametric: okay. i'll give this some thought. the colo offering is tempting.

18:44:54 mircea_popescu: the thing being... if it's any good it won't be going anywhere, and if it goes away just means you saved a penny.

18:46:34 mircea_popescu: !up zfx

18:49:57 ascii_field: in other nyooz,

18:50:13 ascii_field: dks is apparently alive, and symbolics has quadrupled its yearly revenue,

18:50:14 ascii_field: https://www.usaspending.gov/transparency/Pages/RecipientProfile.aspx?DUNSNumber=873185821&FiscalYear=2015

18:50:16 assbot: Recipient Profile ... ( http://bit.ly/1QU5a9F )

18:51:10 ascii_field: BingoBoingo ^ qntra material ?

18:51:39 shinohai: mod6: you still @ work ?

18:53:12 shinohai: !up ascii_field

18:53:25 mod6: shinohai: ya what up

18:53:54 shinohai: If you have free time later, want to get with ya on v

18:54:05 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: d'you recall which piece of ballas' had the line about the "if it weren't this highly credentialed person, it'd be someone indistinguishable from him"?

18:54:16 mod6: shinohai: sounds good, just hit me up.

18:54:24 mod6: thanks too btw! it needs some exercise.

18:55:03 ascii_field: ;;later tell phf http://lispm.de/symbolics-lisp-machine-ergonomics << interesting, recent

18:55:04 assbot: Ergonomics of the Symbolics Lisp Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1QU6k57 )

18:55:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:55:43 shinohai: No worries, I'm kinda behind tbh

18:57:17 shinohai: ;;later tell kakobrekla Was talking to this guy about work, notice you neg-rated him on btctalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=49269 no trustworthy?

18:57:19 assbot: Login ... ( http://bit.ly/1QU6Qjp )

18:57:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:58:02 ascii_field: ;;later tell phf https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7893008

18:58:03 assbot: It was not just the hardware, or the software, or the culture, or the interestin... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QU6XLO )

18:58:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:59:13 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ie, the guy lies because that's what the system needs said ?

19:00:55 jurov: do i understand right, the bisp box is 1btc/mo?

19:01:36 mircea_popescu: the colocation.

19:01:43 mircea_popescu: the box is like a grand.

19:01:49 jurov: and the box is bought extra?

19:01:53 jurov: aite

19:04:13 kakobrekla: shinohai iirc the guy is retarded

19:05:08 mod6: haha

19:05:08 jurov: thx for info, not interested atm

19:05:42 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not that the guy lies, but that the guy exists because the system needs a guy like that to exist.

19:05:59 mircea_popescu: i recall it. should be an article from mid to late 2008

19:07:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00053782 = 1.963 BTC [+]

19:09:28 mircea_popescu: dja happen to have a link to my comment here about that article ben_vulpes ?

19:09:39 mircea_popescu: i usually include lengthier phrases specifically to ease searching

19:10:50 shinohai: Thanx kakobrekla, probably not worth the time since he still hasn't named a price that he will pay for testing.

19:11:56 zfx: hi all

19:12:04 zfx: just lurking...

19:13:33 shinohai: hi zfx

19:17:04 pete_dushenski: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/19/how-your-junk-mail-shows-if-youre-rich-or-poor/

19:17:05 assbot: How your junk mail shows if you’re rich or poor - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUbo9w )

19:17:47 pete_dushenski: "Mileage cards tended to be marketed at college graduates, while cards with teaser APR rates were sent to the less educated. Cash-back and point-reward cards were offered equally to people at every education level."

19:17:51 shinohai: !up zfx

19:18:11 shinohai: Whereas rich or poor, you still get dick-pill spam pete_dushenski

19:18:21 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: lulzy, i get this crud by the shovel-full

19:18:26 ascii_field: it goes in the grinder

19:19:56 ascii_field: just about everybody in usa gets these.

19:20:10 pete_dushenski: shinohai: http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/16/the-problem-its-not-in-the-industry-its-inside-of-you/#footnote_7_5627 :)

19:20:12 assbot: The problem. It’s not “in the industry.” It’s inside of you. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZYdk73 )

19:20:30 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i can't say i've ever seen one in my mailbox. ever.

19:20:40 pete_dushenski: and albertans are deep, deep in personal debt

19:21:00 pete_dushenski: ~175% of annual income or so

19:21:10 pete_dushenski: this doesn't count mortgage

19:21:21 ascii_field: so for what?

19:21:22 ascii_field: cars?

19:21:35 pete_dushenski: lines of credit

19:21:41 pete_dushenski: credit cards

19:21:47 pete_dushenski: i dunno, ask them.

19:21:53 ascii_field: reddit cards.

19:22:14 ascii_field: (when do we get new bank, 'creddit' ?)

19:22:45 pete_dushenski: sorry, i exajamarated : "average Albertan owes $24,271 not including their mortgage."

19:22:51 pete_dushenski: so less than half average income

19:22:59 pete_dushenski: still up 63% yoy

19:23:16 ascii_field: student loan?

19:24:13 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

19:24:46 pete_dushenski: "BMO’s annual debt report pegged average household debt in the province at $124,838 in 2014 (compared to a Canadian average of $76,140.) Among Albertans, half held credit card debt, 53 per cent had mortgages, and 17 per cent held student loans."

19:25:17 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: that first figure was only consumer debt, didn't include student loans

19:26:24 pete_dushenski: http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss315/powderhoundin/IMG_0409.jpg << not insignificant amount of consumer debt goes to things like this.

19:26:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUdBSn )

19:26:34 shinohai: lol pete_dushenski I had no idea contravex had opined on that xD

19:26:46 pete_dushenski: footnotes ftw

19:27:02 shinohai: ^^

19:27:06 pete_dushenski: i'm always amazed how many people don't even read them

19:27:20 pete_dushenski: based on anecdotal feedback at least

19:27:33 pete_dushenski: "oh i just skipped over those"

19:27:56 shinohai: I usually read footnotes, there are always good tidbits there and on fraudsters.

19:28:03 pete_dushenski: ah well, literacy is hard, even when everyone 'learns' it

19:28:06 shinohai: Just hadn't read that article yet.

19:29:27 pete_dushenski: you'd think a comment about dick pills would've ended up in the 'how to suck a cock' but nope, ended up in 'jennifer lawrence needs to grow up' piece :)

19:32:54 pete_dushenski: and speaking of jlaw and the gender pay gap, i'll leave you with a research abstract

19:33:06 pete_dushenski: "Male lawyers bill ten percent more hours and bring in more than twice the new client revenue than do female lawyers. We demonstrate that the differential impact across genders in the presence of young children and differences in aspirations to become a law firm partner account for a large share of the difference in performance. We also show that accounting for performance has important consequences for gender g

19:33:06 pete_dushenski: aps in lawyers’ earnings and subsequent promotion. Whereas individual and firm characteristics explain up to 50 percent of the earnings gap, the inclusion of performance measures explains a substantial share of the remainder. Performance measures also explain a sizeable share of the gender gap in promotion."

19:33:12 pete_dushenski: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2673619

19:33:14 assbot: Gender Gaps in Performance: Evidence from Young Lawyers by Ghazala Azmat, Rosa Ferrer :: SSRN ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUfb6I )

19:33:26 pete_dushenski: ciao !

19:40:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23332 @ 0.00053811 = 12.5552 BTC [+] {5}

19:40:26 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/lsuNpzU.jpg

19:40:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUgHFO )

19:43:18 deedbot-: [Qntra] LSE Report Reveals Dismal Performance of VCs in Bitcoin - http://qntra.net/2015/10/lse-report-reveals-dismal-performance-of-vcs-in-bitcoin/

19:44:01 BingoBoingo: Whoops, updated. Sorry pete

19:47:00 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if i could find the comment, i'd have found the link

19:55:15 shinohai: !up ascii_field

20:04:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19897 @ 0.00053836 = 10.7117 BTC [+] {2}

20:13:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00053843 = 8.3457 BTC [+] {3}

20:17:08 gabrielradio: http://pastebin.com/z8TgrTVz

20:17:09 assbot: In support of eugenics - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1W52ebs )

20:24:34 ascii_field: gabrielradio, mircea_popescu: lulzy piece. ought to be accompanied with a drawing of 'man of the future' - a two-metre cock with small legs (like caterpillar's)

20:26:58 lobbes: !up ascii_field

20:30:19 gabrielradio: ascii_field this a similarly lulzy piece http://fraudsters.com/2011/inotul-conjugal/

20:30:20 assbot: Inotul conjugal on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1W53wn0 )

20:30:32 gabrielradio: i guess i should tackle that one as well

20:31:51 ben_vulpes: anyone tracking the safe harbor shitshow?

20:32:07 ascii_field: ?

20:33:43 ben_vulpes: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a50fd261-ff53-407f-ab08-d78994e0c192 << potentially relevant

20:33:44 assbot: Immediate aftermath of ECJ’s safe harbor decision: Maximilian Schrems v. Data Protection Commissioner - Lexology ... ( http://bit.ly/1W53LhU )

21:08:31 gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304662 << got it, it's next in line

21:08:31 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 17:50:21; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell gabrielradio incoming : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304655 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304615

21:09:40 gabrielradio: not sure about the poem tho. the way i saw this whole translation thing was that mircea_popescu wanted the ro articles translated because he didn't want to spend the time to do it himself, so that's where i would come in

21:10:52 gabrielradio: but in the case of the poem, time isn't the issue, and if he deems it unfit for translation in his own hand, i doubt it would make sense for me to try & translate it

21:16:42 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:16:46 ascii_field: https://cryptome.org/2015/10/wikileaks-brennan-15-1021.pdf <<<>>> http://dpaste.com/3TF8EHD.txt << supposedly, brennan's mailz

21:16:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1jUqy3F )

21:16:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1jUqy3R )

21:21:44 deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] The myths of "the good life" and that work should be fun and happen in a fun place only serve to enslave you to the progressive's hedonic treadmill - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/21_the-myths-of-the-good-life-and-that-work-should-be-fun-and-happen-in-a-fun-place-only-serve-to-enslave-you-to-the-progressives-hedonic-treadmill.html

21:28:43 mircea_popescu: gabrielradio i just don't think it can be done.

21:28:47 mircea_popescu: poems are always iffy

21:29:14 *: ascii_field sometimes translates poems, for sport

21:29:28 ascii_field: there are a few of my attempts in the logz.

21:29:50 ascii_field: english is perhaps one of the worst things to translate them to, though.

21:30:08 ascii_field: gnarly ball o'shit language, doesn't want to rhyme at all.

21:30:26 mircea_popescu: spermatozoons < spermatozoa

21:30:51 ascii_field: 'spermatozoa, those lonely noahs!' (tm) (r)

21:30:57 mircea_popescu: :)

21:31:04 mircea_popescu: not bad

21:31:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6645 @ 0.00053855 = 3.5787 BTC [+]

21:31:16 ascii_field: i forget where.

21:32:15 gabrielradio: what say you mircea_popescu? am i suited for translating the old testament of fraudsters?

21:33:15 mircea_popescu: well, sadly, i can't use any of the stuff you produced so far. going through this latest one, it's still easier / faster for me to do the whole translation than to correct it.

21:33:23 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: http://www.northofreality.com/tales/2015/10/19/the-baph-o-mat

21:33:25 assbot: THE BAPH-O-MAT — NORTH OF REALITY ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTSTTr )

21:33:27 ascii_field: ;;later tell ben_vulpes re: article: usg won't 'hand out cash' for the same reason that comcast et al doesn't actually promise 1Gb/s at 100% dutycycle. (the rest of it, i have failed to make sense of)

21:33:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:33:52 mircea_popescu: but also, you shouldn't take this as a bad light on yourself, i think you did a reasonable job, just, the requirements are insanely tight.

21:34:49 gabrielradio: got it

21:34:56 ascii_field: ah and there is ben_vulpes himself

21:36:18 mircea_popescu: but, i dun want you to walk away poor from the exercise either, so post an address an' i'll send you a bitdime or something.

21:36:23 ascii_field: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/18_static-compilation-woes.html << l0l

21:36:24 assbot: static compilation woes ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTT5Cd )

21:37:17 ascii_field: ben_vulpes ^ where ?

21:37:20 gabrielradio: 1RadioZTPJhoYGHU3mBed6jCRAE8F6RZC

21:40:57 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: every escapee from 'amazon' i've personally spoken with, said essentially same thing: 'run like sov uranium mine'

21:41:24 mircea_popescu: that's the only way you can run something with muricans.

21:41:26 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: complete with 'ударники', firings of 'bottom x%', etc.

21:41:37 mircea_popescu: not bezos' fault they're essentially rus empire peasants.

21:41:49 ascii_field: well the interesting part is that people go to work there.

21:41:59 ascii_field: rather than packed into vans and forcibly pressed, yes.

21:42:55 ascii_field: but, as i understand, they come in, and soon come out of the other end.

21:43:41 ascii_field: 'Bezos runs a company, not a playground for millenials. He runs it to make a profit...' << the last bit is technically a mistake...

21:43:59 ascii_field: amazon has not, for most of its existence, turned a profit in the customary sense of the word.

21:44:11 ascii_field: (nor really tried, afaik.)

21:44:15 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i am willing to bet the complaints are ALL "oh we were defrauded, landlord kept our deposit and we didn't really piss on the parquet. it was not our fault!"

21:44:36 mircea_popescu: as you say, wake me up when inept woman is stripped, whipped and left tied to the office door over the weekend.

21:44:47 mircea_popescu: until then, work conditions are too soft.

21:45:22 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i only met a few of these folks. but they all said strictly same things, described something quite like the practices that breathed life into the labour unions of 100 years ago...

21:45:34 mircea_popescu: specifically ?

21:47:14 mircea_popescu: jurov consider i have there one cdg with q 465, storage shows 240 << grass is 60, q 100, and cft is 180, q 100. no idea why it shows 240, atm. but we KNOW that the prices shown are broken atm, and chetty was going to fix them, but then got some health problems. it's still on the list to fix, and will be fixed asap.

21:47:17 ascii_field: 'fire bottom x%' decimations; 'promote top y%, defined in asinine quantitative metrics', misc. sovietisms

21:47:36 mircea_popescu: they exist because of the worthless peasants.

21:47:46 mircea_popescu: if they were human beings this sort of thing wouldn't be needed. they aren't.

21:47:46 deedbot-: [Qntra] Symbolics Quandruples Revenue in FY 2015 on One USG Transaction - http://qntra.net/2015/10/symbolics-quandruples-revenue-in-fy-2015-on-one-usg-transaction/

21:47:48 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:47:48 mircea_popescu: they're redditards.

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21:50:10 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: from my distant perch i cannot say whether the butugychag school of thought has given amazon any advantage vs the other great halls'o'humancompilers.

21:50:58 mircea_popescu: besides the point, really.

21:51:07 mircea_popescu: no thinking / respectable person would run the farm of muricans any other way.

21:51:07 ascii_field: (if it did, one might expect to see it copied by other firms)

21:51:12 mircea_popescu: not so.

21:51:28 mircea_popescu: the only thing you may expect groups of muricans to do is a) whine and b) ask for govt money.

21:51:38 ascii_field: why not? it would taste especially great with google's reintroduction of factory dorms

21:51:43 mircea_popescu: copying what works is so high up on the "never EVER do" list it might as well be racism.

21:51:44 ascii_field: and other dickensisms

21:54:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00053368 = 16.971 BTC [-] {3}

22:02:35 ascii_field: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/10/symbolics-quandruples-revenue-in-fy-2015-on-one-usg-transaction/#comment-69382

22:02:36 assbot: Symbolics Quandruples Revenue in FY 2015 on One USG Transaction | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTUSHf )

22:02:36 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:03:02 mircea_popescu: heh

22:03:31 ascii_field: i met schmidt twice, once to buy machine, then some parts

22:03:54 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: http://qntra.net/2015/10/symbolics-quandruples-revenue-in-fy-2015-on-one-usg-transaction/#comment-69384

22:03:55 assbot: Symbolics Quandruples Revenue in FY 2015 on One USG Transaction | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTUXLc )

22:04:48 ascii_field: http://wush.net/~opengenera << obligatory w4r3z

22:04:49 assbot: Open Genera ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTV0qu )

22:05:06 mircea_popescu: intereskin.

22:05:20 mircea_popescu: can you get that interview going ?

22:05:23 ascii_field: l0l i never got snap5 and i fucking' paid

22:05:56 BingoBoingo: I'll drop a message and see if he replies.

22:07:22 ascii_field: https://tpbonion.com/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera_2.0_for_Alpha_-_complete_package_with_Lisp << afaik the 1st comment on this mega-t0rr3nt was the only thing dks ever said in public

22:07:24 assbot: Symbolics Open Genera 2.0 for Alpha - complete package with Lisp (download torrent) - TPB ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTVooR )

22:07:50 ascii_field: very old man, but has good humour

22:08:06 mircea_popescu: doesn't load. what's he say ?

22:08:27 ascii_field: dkschmidt at 2007-08-15 02:24 CET:

22:08:28 ascii_field: Congratulations on downloading the finest software development environment ever created. If you want to find out more about Genera or would like to have a Symbolics Lisp Machine, check out the Symbolics website at www.symbolics.com or contact sales@symbolics.com.

22:08:52 trinque: BingoBoingo: typo in headline? "quandruple"

22:08:54 mircea_popescu: a hey.

22:09:12 BingoBoingo: fxd

22:13:02 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/10/symbolics-quandruples-revenue-in-fy-2015-on-one-usg-transaction/#comment-69385

22:13:02 assbot: Symbolics Quadruples Revenue in FY 2015 on One USG Transaction | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NooZ8a )

22:13:31 ascii_field: afaik there are exactly three of these people. now listed.

22:14:41 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#712797 << obligatory logz re: smbx

22:14:41 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2014 03:07:22; asciilifeform: david lives in a little house, generously stocked with parts, and fixes the remaining machines for a modest fee.

23:02:47 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#c5207

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23:02:48 mircea_popescu: ahem

23:09:40 mircea_popescu: "The New York Department of Financial Services "BitLicense" scheme was a flaming disaster that drove out no less than 15 bitcoin-related businesses from the state and cost leader of the charge, Ben Lawsky, his political career."

23:09:42 mircea_popescu: quite exactly.

23:10:22 mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin price volatility in 2015 is roughly half what it was in 2014." << oh we so desperately need the usg tards.

23:10:28 mircea_popescu: what will bitcoin ever do without them!111

23:10:45 mircea_popescu: here's what : the greatest growth potential for usg & associated retardation is ... subsaharan africa.

23:11:05 mircea_popescu: take your obamas, bhararas and whatever other oratanii and go the fuck back to kenya, dear usg.

23:11:21 shinohai: It's only just begun: http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/10/21/jersey-government-plans-regulate-digital-currency-2016/

23:11:23 assbot: Jersey Government Plans to Regulate Digital Currency in 2016 - NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9HNuL )

23:11:39 mircea_popescu: yaya. we wish them a glhf.

23:11:42 gabrielradio: lmao @ oratanii

23:13:21 gabrielradio: https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/credit-suisse-with-just-10-youre-wealthier-than-25-of-americans-18072/

23:13:22 assbot: Credit Suisse: with just $10 “you’re wealthier than 25% of Americans” | SOVEREIGN MAN ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9HYX5 )

23:13:29 gabrielradio: ?If you?ve no debts and have $10 in your pocket you have more wealth than 25% of Americans. More than 25% of Americans have collectively that is.?

23:14:33 mircea_popescu: aha.

23:14:46 mircea_popescu: in fact i just made this point to cab driver here who wanted to know "how the us really is" :

23:14:50 mircea_popescu: "you are richer than most of them"

23:15:07 mircea_popescu: if you got a dime you're ahead of most of america.

23:15:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00053855 = 4.847 BTC [+]

23:25:32 deedbot-: [Qntra] Ethereum Bet Update - http://qntra.net/2015/10/ethereum-bet-update/

23:27:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41172 @ 0.0005405 = 22.2535 BTC [+] {5}

23:27:05 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo prolly could include comments of deeply regretting taking the no position etc.

23:27:50 BingoBoingo: That's what blog comments are for, referencing the bet comments.

23:28:20 BingoBoingo: Having a lol in the qntra piece's comment section at the expense of the lamentation in the BitBet comment section

23:30:30 mircea_popescu: hehe

23:30:37 mircea_popescu: makes sense.

23:31:19 BingoBoingo: I believe this is what webmarketing tards call "driving engagement"

23:32:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60800 @ 0.00053085 = 32.2757 BTC [-] {7}

23:58:36 mircea_popescu: "Back on September" << in