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Transcript for 22-02-2015, 1707 lines:

00:00:32 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: why do i get the impression [...] << because you're an asshole. just like me.

00:01:13 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: just appreciating the pun

00:01:24 mircea_popescu: hehe

00:01:34 mircea_popescu: i need tp for my punhole.

00:02:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00045029 = 15.2198 BTC [+]

00:03:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here << start dating whores.

00:04:48 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: now *that*s tears. << i met a chick that quit her previous job, is learning to program in html nao.

00:04:59 mircea_popescu: but it's kinda complicated.

00:05:24 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago? << you actually made money at some point ?!

00:05:41 jurov: mircea_popescu: with due respect, are you sure asciilifeform can attract any federal-level whore?

00:06:04 mircea_popescu: but this is a quantitative discussion and he was making a qualitative challenge

00:06:07 mircea_popescu: "what type of thing".

00:06:59 jurov: you too mentioned obama daughters and so explicitly

00:07:11 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as i understand it, his chief complaint was, "no criminal empire footprint". easiest way to get into that, from memory, is dating the whores.

00:07:36 mircea_popescu: most common, of course, is spending some time in jail, but hey.

00:09:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00047354 = 36.6994 BTC [+] {2}

00:09:55 *: jurov just remembered how it woks among fags. yes, mircea is right

00:14:56 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/ << shit look at that, "mother earth news" is actually a thing.

00:15:29 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: good for her?

00:15:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00047857 = 4.4028 BTC [+]

00:15:37 ben_vulpes: kinda curious about the complexity

00:15:44 mircea_popescu: you know, for a cult this chan is one of the most diverse places in the world.

00:15:53 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes direct quote. "but it's kinda complex"

00:16:11 mircea_popescu: i explained a little about the difference between imperative and notation, i think she got the gist.

00:16:29 ben_vulpes: hah yeah i mean you have to learn 3 different chodes at the same time

00:16:32 ben_vulpes: html, css and js

00:16:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19632 @ 0.00045846 = 9.0005 BTC [-] {2}

00:16:53 mircea_popescu: js is sort-of imperative i guess.

00:17:03 mircea_popescu: kinda like c pigdin neh ?

00:17:49 mircea_popescu: but otherwise the css/html difference is not unlike the "food division" and "detergent division" difference at unilever.

00:18:14 mats: http://i.imgur.com/PeOkDNJ.jpg

00:18:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/17mj2Z7 )

00:18:52 mircea_popescu: not bad but why teh panties!

00:19:28 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/a95259be42394afc640ab15ac6586113/tumblr_n7es4w3GnH1sgp77yo1_400.gif

00:19:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/17mj96T )

00:20:53 ben_vulpes: fish move

00:21:32 *: mats adds cattle prod to purchase list

00:21:54 mircea_popescu: stop objectifying women.

00:22:03 mircea_popescu: it's a cuntprod.

00:22:49 ben_vulpes: cunts are objects too

00:23:13 thestringpuller: that's hawt

00:23:25 thestringpuller: i can't stop watching this gif

00:23:33 mats: as a boy i found a guide for modifying a disposable camera into a single-use taser

00:23:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this actually explains quite a bit << why did you think the pentagon spends so much.

00:23:53 mats: i used it on my buddy and he shit himself. one of my fonder memories of childhood.

00:24:04 mircea_popescu: mats the flash ?

00:24:13 mats: ever since, i've wanted to buy a taser, but modern things have tags now

00:24:18 mats: yeah

00:24:41 mircea_popescu: you can basically build a taser out of a battery and a capacitor

00:24:54 mircea_popescu: whioch means, "Any old tv set"

00:25:00 ben_vulpes: conveniently packaged in disposable cameras!

00:25:39 mats: i've never given any thought to building one

00:25:47 mircea_popescu: mats: folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free << which is how the dependopopotami are born. "i don't care about the chick but i gotta be married for money so w/e"

00:26:09 mats: although its a reasonable segue into building other toys ... like shock gloves for bum fights

00:26:26 thestringpuller: lol shock gloves!

00:26:26 *: mats adds it to the list

00:26:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44768 @ 0.00045846 = 20.5243 BTC [-]

00:26:56 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/YHMjGGf.jpg

00:26:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B2jRnq )

00:27:06 thestringpuller: mats: http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-boondocks/the-black-power-fist/

00:27:19 mats: ya i know

00:27:39 mats: i'm a fan

00:28:07 thestringpuller: mats: mah nigga

00:28:25 mats: i'm yellow on the outside and black on the inside

00:28:33 thestringpuller: Hahaha

00:28:46 thestringpuller: chocolate twinkie?

00:29:06 mircea_popescu: "tricare, formerly known as chump-us"

00:29:21 mats: i've been on the search my whole life for a proper descriptor

00:29:23 mircea_popescu: mats you mean yellow as in azn ?

00:29:34 mats: yes. surprise!

00:29:52 mircea_popescu: do you agree with that fat fag's evaluation that no women ever date azns ?

00:30:24 mats: uh

00:30:29 mats: no

00:30:58 mats: certainly, asians are undersexualized in e.g. US media, but i haven't had problems picking up white women

00:31:20 mircea_popescu: myeah. BUT HE HAD STATISTICS

00:32:02 thestringpuller: what's with the US and the pursuit of bwg (basic white girl)?

00:32:19 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if you look at the demos, it's the most common item on menu.

00:32:22 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: over there with all the brazillian hotties.

00:32:30 mircea_popescu: like salmon at the seafood restaurant

00:32:49 thestringpuller: most highly sexual girls I've met spoke portuguese as a first language

00:33:25 mats: i prefer 'bwg' over 'abg' (asian baby girl)

00:33:36 mircea_popescu: i think anyone under 55 or so does.

00:34:31 mircea_popescu: i don't think*

00:34:40 mats: !ud ABG

00:34:42 mircea_popescu: or wait. no, it was right the first time

00:35:14 mats: ;;ud ABG

00:35:15 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ABG | An acronym for an "aznbbygirl" meaning an asian female gangster. ABG's like to hang with gangsters and wear thin (slutty) clothing. They like to ju...

00:35:35 thestringpuller: aren't ABG's over sexualized?

00:36:25 mircea_popescu: gangster ?!

00:36:34 mircea_popescu: somebody was having a tough time in class.

00:38:00 mats: thestringpuller: hows that?

00:38:28 mats: maybe we're exposed to different media, but i don't see it

00:38:58 thestringpuller: ah, always thinking of the ABG's in high school/early college who would hang out with negros

00:39:24 thestringpuller: lots of make up, skimpy clothes

00:39:50 thestringpuller: "rumors" from the guys (note how I said "rumors")

00:41:24 mircea_popescu: aren't skimpy/no clothes mandatory in college anyway ?

00:41:44 mats: i mean, asian women are hypersexualized in p much the same way as black dudes in media

00:42:17 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: although it is the most common item on the menu, there is still some "allure" as a minority "banging one out"

00:42:33 mats: i've read a few things here and there about 'the white man's asian fetish' and 'the hyper-femininity of the asian woman'

00:43:07 mircea_popescu: i dunno... i kinda aren't attracted to other types, by and large. i assume it's similar across cultures.

00:45:13 thestringpuller: i guess the media portrayal of the sorority bwg places a false imagination

00:45:49 mircea_popescu: where's this depicted in media ?

00:47:58 thestringpuller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Breakers << stuff like this

00:48:36 mircea_popescu: but this is specific softcore/exploitation. in comes in all color schemes neh ?

00:48:47 mircea_popescu: i guess for black girls it's mostly rap videos and derivative material.

00:49:18 mircea_popescu: grossed 30mn over a 5mn budget. not exactly a killer anyway.

00:50:40 mircea_popescu: "I cannot speak to the contents," he told Ars via online chat. "Except that they are mine. This is the only salient detail as far as I'm concerned. I am not on trial, nor is my data, and I am under no obligation to speak for it. But my property is being withheld from me, and that must be justified. The current justification is due to the inability of the NCA to understand certain data. It remains for them to establish

00:50:40 mircea_popescu: why this is my problem and for the court to decide if this gives them authority to convert chattel."

00:50:55 mircea_popescu: ha! this Lauri Love dude got it right.

00:51:51 mircea_popescu: "As a matter of policy, we generally do not comment on extradition-related matters."

00:51:56 mircea_popescu: herp. as if fucking policy matters.

00:52:10 mircea_popescu: "as a matter of policy, we don't comment on rape cases" should be the new rape trial defense.

00:52:18 mircea_popescu: because POLICY. it's a reason now.

00:52:40 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i guess for black girls it's mostly rap videos << hmm perhaps American media just blinds one to the broader cultural spectrum

00:52:46 mircea_popescu: "You have no idea how much we can fuck with the US government if we wanted to," Love told a hacking colleague in one exchange over Internet relay chat, prosecutors alleged. "This... stuff is really sensitive. It's basically every piece of information you'd need to do full identity theft on any employee or contractor" for the hacked agency.

00:52:51 mircea_popescu: this, for the record, is exactly correct.

00:53:30 mircea_popescu: any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything.

00:53:45 mircea_popescu: you're still there, your house is still there, your family is still there because we can't be bothered to take them away. that's all.

00:56:54 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system <<< "One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector. We must keep a reference count of the pointers to each cons. Moon patiently told the student the following story: One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector..."

00:58:09 mircea_popescu: but sure, it'd be great if it worked.

00:59:01 mircea_popescu: wow lol, that log bit got pretty intense huh.

01:00:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag. << hey, you made your bed for yourself here :D lie in it! he can't get out because he can't get out, what more do you want ? :D

01:02:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but how often linus commands 'shit' << an argument of an entirely different consistency hehehe

01:02:27 mircea_popescu: man i miss out on the best logs.

01:03:07 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/9af3649f763191c778bc1eee6fbf4909/tumblr_ngzbtp8QvJ1trst71o1_400.jpg << this is an illustration on the fertile juicy ideas i miss out on and so forth.

01:03:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D400BP )

01:03:25 asciilifeform: l0l!

01:03:29 asciilifeform: ^ that looks industrial

01:04:06 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/3061dc1244af510c2168542c45f1943c/tumblr_ngijxgsWZ51tk0hzgo1_500.jpg urinal to go with industrial.

01:04:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D40gRv )

01:04:31 mircea_popescu: decimation: he's getting kinda old and tired frankly << yeah we should have a linus retierment betting pool

01:04:40 asciilifeform: most common, of course, is spending some time in jail, but hey << workin' on that

01:04:59 asciilifeform: at least jail's free (for now)

01:05:19 mircea_popescu: only if you go there lawfully. otherwise you have to pay.

01:05:50 asciilifeform: disposable camera into a single-use taser << why single use. charge cap again, again. who here -hasn't- done this?!

01:06:06 asciilifeform: battery and a capacitor << mircea_popescu has it

01:06:31 mircea_popescu: no i don't. i used to, but then my mother threw a shitfit once she realised why her aunt's entire chicken population was dizzy

01:07:06 mircea_popescu: so they BURIED IT. somewhere. i was in the fucking sticks. couldn't get another one for coupla weeks, until back to town, at which point...

01:07:08 mircea_popescu: no chickens.

01:07:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132350 @ 0.0004196 = 55.5341 BTC [-]

01:08:34 asciilifeform: !b 7

01:08:34 assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/30SPFQX.txt )

01:13:10 mircea_popescu: decimation: out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering." << to a large degree, the debate is sorely misstated. nobody is seriously discussing "genetic engineering". what's being discussed is, "let's make random combinations of genetic material we do not at all understand and see what happens. this will necessarily result in novel/ununderstood proteins and other hydrocar

01:13:10 mircea_popescu: bons being synthetised. the plan kingdom is, historically, the largest producer of poisons on the planet and to a large degree a controller of animal population counts and animal species survival rates, which is why you even need a liver in the first place - notice that your imune system doens't REALLY have an organ (thymus, w/e)." this is not "genetic engineering", this is chromogambling.

01:13:16 mircea_popescu: and yes i typed all that in the box!

01:13:56 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/9af3649f763191c778bc1eee6fbf4909/tumblr_ngzbtp8QvJ1trst71o1_400.jpg << hood nigga's dream

01:14:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by and large, nothing interesting (not even new poison!) happens if you mutate at random.

01:14:07 mircea_popescu: i can readily live with a complete demonization of chromogambling. it would not do anything, in my head, to either engineering or genetics.

01:14:22 thestringpuller: I wish I was one of those black guys :(

01:14:23 asciilifeform: that style of 'engineering' is 1940s state of the art

01:14:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the substantial difference between ENGINEERING and GAMBLING is important here

01:14:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.0004196 = 3.7135 BTC [-]

01:14:37 asciilifeform: when folks would 'let that thing eat gamma until almost dead, then plant it'

01:15:08 asciilifeform: who and where is still doing this, i cannot say

01:15:30 mircea_popescu: how do you think the gmo stuff is made ? same principle, different lego blocks

01:15:43 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller why ? and if so, join some swinger's club.

01:15:44 asciilifeform: nope.

01:16:08 mircea_popescu: do tell.

01:16:31 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: why? << Maybe subconciously I fetishize white girls? I honestly don't know.

01:17:18 asciilifeform: not same principle. snippets of synthetic nucleic acid are used, it goes (or more often, doesn't..) to a specific place, there is a (usually bad) protein model to predict effect, etc.

01:17:21 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller move to wash dc, put up craigslist "Black man looking to humiliate married white women. Husband may be included.". watch how you make more money than alf.

01:17:24 asciilifeform: by and large none of it works

01:17:27 asciilifeform: roi - terrible

01:17:41 asciilifeform: that's the 'big secret', really

01:17:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose a better framed debate would then be this exactly, as above. "is this engineering or is it just dumbery"

01:18:04 asciilifeform: it's approximately how software 'engineering' is done now

01:18:12 asciilifeform: check back on it in a decade, they'll look rather similar

01:18:14 mircea_popescu: to nobody's credit.

01:18:15 asciilifeform: these two 'engineerings'

01:18:32 mircea_popescu: at least software has the excuse it takes any retarded kid.

01:18:40 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=41 << obligatory

01:18:42 assbot: Loper OS » The Future of Programming: Ignorance and Superstition? ... ( http://bit.ly/1D43ZhM )

01:18:55 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://41.media.tumblr.com/b0bf3a6a3f32fa7cbfc6bbf1c5e7c652/tumblr_nihqzq4vJ41t33m1bo1_500.jpg prepping of same, jus fer ya.

01:18:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D440lX )

01:19:11 asciilifeform: any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything << to be fair, the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is usg

01:19:29 mircea_popescu: orly ?

01:19:37 asciilifeform: aha

01:19:50 asciilifeform: why is it possible to borrow $maxint in mr. chump's name without his pgp key

01:19:53 asciilifeform: - usg.

01:19:56 mircea_popescu: you know you WILL end up having to come up with "the only reason sun raises in the morning is usg" at some point

01:19:58 mircea_popescu: the way you're going.

01:20:00 asciilifeform: l0l

01:20:08 asciilifeform: how is the above picture mistaken

01:20:09 asciilifeform: ?

01:20:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.0003831 = 13.3702 BTC [-] {3}

01:20:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2015#1009868 << see also

01:20:39 assbot: Logged on 06-02-2015 03:02:19; *: asciilifeform once worked with a nearly-penniless foreign postdoc whose departure from usa was hastened by some bureaucrat (who handled his papers) deciding to... buy a house in his name

01:20:52 mircea_popescu: it holds the same logical strength as "the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is that women are whores"

01:21:19 mircea_popescu: there may be some relation even, and some factuality to the claim and existence to the group. nevertheless...

01:21:23 asciilifeform: is it possible for someone to steal the identity of mircea_popescu? if not, why not ?

01:21:37 mircea_popescu: depends where.

01:21:43 asciilifeform: anywhere it matters

01:21:46 mircea_popescu: im sure all sorts of romanian kids claim to know me for their own circle ?

01:22:02 mircea_popescu: im sure all sorts of adults tell stories that happened to me as if - them.

01:22:06 mircea_popescu: etc.

01:22:35 asciilifeform: but none of this is so much as a mild annoyance in Castle Mircea_popescustein proper

01:23:02 mircea_popescu: sooo ?

01:23:21 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/09a98729739cc9ed4b2a28e9988ba91f/tumblr_nepprjHYH01u2qk73o1_400.gif << helping thestringpuller work productively, one gif at a time.

01:23:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1N3JN )

01:24:10 asciilifeform: sooo >> usg could mandate pgp for letters of credit just as easily as it mandates the garbage we see today

01:24:13 asciilifeform: but doesn't

01:24:22 mircea_popescu: how do you know this /

01:24:43 asciilifeform: ?

01:24:52 mircea_popescu: could the roman empire have mandated its legions wear the fucking scutum, pilum and thorax ?

01:25:08 mircea_popescu: "ow but your majesty, shit's heavy"

01:25:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu suggests that such an order would not be obeyed? probably true

01:25:30 mircea_popescu: i merely am pointing out that your jumps go over lenghty stretches of weak bridging

01:25:52 asciilifeform: interestingly, hitler's 'table talk' contains a few instances of whining that he'd like xxxxx but the orders don't get carried out

01:26:08 mircea_popescu: what, by 1945 there's nothing BUT that.

01:26:21 asciilifeform: well yes

01:26:22 mircea_popescu: das war ein befehl!

01:26:25 asciilifeform: but long prior

01:26:50 mircea_popescu: wer sind sie eigentlich, dass sie einen befehl, den ich gebe, zu missachten wagen!!??!?!!!?! etc

01:26:56 asciilifeform: l0l

01:27:41 thestringpuller: "U.S. NIH spends ~30b annually to found research. However, many resulting papers are NOT repeatable In my merely 8 years experience in academia, I believe >50% papers are not repeatable especially those claiming therapeutic effects.

01:27:42 asciilifeform: ^ anyone -not- recognize source ?

01:27:45 thestringpuller: We all know the reason : Disproving or confirming others finding won't get you very far in a scientific career. One needs to have novel finding to get published in Nature , Cell or Science, which are powerful tickets for next round of NIH funding. Because research resources are scarce, no scientists can survive by examining others papers. Therefore, faking a cute and novel discovery is effective to survive the academia with min

01:30:53 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller incidentally, exactly how teh neanderthal got wiped out.

01:30:57 mircea_popescu: cro cutegnon.

01:35:22 mircea_popescu: "There are no homeopathic automobile repair shops, that try to repair your car by putting infinitesimal dilutions of rust in the gas tank. There are no automotive faith healers, who lay their hands on the hood and pray."

01:35:35 asciilifeform: ^ true at time of writing

01:35:45 mircea_popescu: this, fwiw, is patently false. even now is being advertised a device which, iof placed on tank, will make the car not use fuel.

01:35:45 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/micon-details-the-operational-security-concerns-of-seals-with-clubs/

01:35:46 assbot: Micon Details The Operational Security Concerns Of Seals With Clubs | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1Orft )

01:35:52 mircea_popescu: and always was there.

01:36:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do recall this, now that you mentioned it

01:38:15 mircea_popescu: cazalla fwiw, exactly nothing in ro press re voxility srl.

01:38:31 mircea_popescu: http://www.listafirme.ro/voxility-srl-16633718/ reg if you care.

01:38:32 assbot: SC VOXILITY SRL din Sectorul 2 Bdul. Dimitrie Pompei 9-9a, CUI 16633718 ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1ONmo )

01:39:20 cazalla: seems a bit suss he would say he is unsure what happened with the servers but is already moving forward to relaunch

01:39:46 cazalla: prob has an idea but he didn't speculate further anyway

01:45:51 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/10/kerouacs_on_the_road.html << did i say what a fucking great review this is ?

01:45:52 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Kerouac's On The Road: The 50th Anniversary Of A Book I Had Not Read ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1PITO )

01:45:56 mircea_popescu: The entire spirit of the book can be summarized by Dean's words: "Sal, think of it, we'll dig Denver together...!" That's what a man who is trying to con a woman into running off with him would say. Denver, really?? Really? Why? Because it starts with D? I'd at least momentarily entertain the theory that D cities are great places to get to, but the real reason he wants to get to Denver, or anywhere else, is preci

01:45:56 mircea_popescu: sely because the longer he stays in any one place, the better chance he'll be discovered to be a loser. Time to go where the grass is greener, somewhere people don't know you're there to crap on it.

01:52:33 *: asciilifeform realized that he built the fscking netbsd -installer- into the eeprom

01:52:43 *: asciilifeform proceeded to stuff in a drive and... fire it

01:58:47 asciilifeform: (why do i need a conventional install? because want to test my attempt at driver for the nand as a kernel mod)

01:59:22 asciilifeform: having actual support for the nand would make it possible to eliminate the 'ramdisk' and shave a few MB off the memory footprint.

02:04:31 *: asciilifeform read that tlp article, wakes up to having known precisely the type of animal described therein - in real life

02:04:43 mircea_popescu: sure. plenty of 'em.

02:05:05 mircea_popescu: also, http://36.media.tumblr.com/bfa63b6cf8c53c33b9e16d08daf87fc6/tumblr_n13pnwgaX41rdc5oto8_1280.jpg

02:05:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z7LNit )

02:05:21 trinque: I might've gotten past the first chapter of that book

02:05:24 trinque: certainly not the second

02:06:04 asciilifeform: butugychag.

02:14:01 mike_c: cazalla: http://pastebin.com/sQzqvV4F

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02:14:34 cazalla: mike_c, did you transcribe that?

02:16:01 decimation: asciilifeform: so you are still using the u-boot copy-to-ramdisk method if you don't have a driver for the eeprom?

02:16:26 asciilifeform: decimation: at the moment, yes

02:17:31 decimation: ah, still it's neat that you got it working

02:17:33 asciilifeform: decimation: i forget if mentioned earlier: got the whole build to work

02:17:37 asciilifeform: for what it's worth

02:17:44 decimation: yeah you mentioned

02:18:07 *: decimation find this to be a good reason to buy a pogo and play along

02:18:47 danielpbarron: how can i repeat this? i'm stuck on your last tip about something in a TOOLS directory

02:19:02 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i will post a patch to the netbsd src tree

02:19:16 asciilifeform: that results in a netbsd.ub which can be used straight

02:20:08 asciilifeform: basically, used like this,

02:20:15 asciilifeform: flash_erase /dev/mtd4 0 0

02:20:15 asciilifeform: nandwrite -p /dev/mtd4 netbsd.ub

02:20:15 asciilifeform: fw_setenv boot_bsd 'nand read.e 0x800000 0x1000000 0xc00000; bootm 0x800000'

02:20:31 asciilifeform: then you halt uboot on the next powerup and 'run boot_bsd'

02:20:40 asciilifeform: (for manual testing, can make this default behaviour if want)

02:21:03 asciilifeform: the 0xc00000 is a round number here, you want it to encompass your binary's size

02:21:12 asciilifeform: (i just eyeballed it)

02:21:37 danielpbarron: is halting uboot something i'd need the serial thing for?

02:21:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.0004097 = 13.2948 BTC [+]

02:22:05 asciilifeform: ideally

02:22:14 asciilifeform: unless you have it configured to do the udp console thing

02:22:28 *: asciilifeform forgot that not everyone's pogo has the serial jack

02:23:04 decimation: asciilifeform: it would go nicely with an old-timey ibm serial terminal :)

02:24:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12687 @ 0.0004097 = 5.1979 BTC [+]

02:24:58 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piece_of_shit.tar.gz

02:25:03 asciilifeform: ^^^^^^

02:25:17 asciilifeform: i will not sign this. if it annihilates your home planet, i am not responsible.

02:25:32 asciilifeform: use as described above. will boot into a netbsd installer.

02:25:55 asciilifeform: can find binary sets for arm at http://ftp.twaren.net/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.5/evbarm/binary/sets or your local sets build

02:25:57 assbot: Index of /NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.5/evbarm/binary/sets ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1TCfk )

02:26:03 asciilifeform: (throw it up on ftp on your own box)

02:26:43 asciilifeform: the only conceivable use of the above sample is to demonstrate that netbsd will function correctly on 'pogo'.

02:27:10 asciilifeform: and possibly in case someone wishes to install on larger disk and boot from it, for purposes of dev work.

02:27:47 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^

02:28:11 mike_c: cazalla: yeah. i hate watching videos. figured i'd spare others the pain.

02:28:31 asciilifeform: i have demonstrated that netbsd kernel (of my custom trimmed build) will correctly init the periphs on pogo

02:28:38 asciilifeform: for whatever that's worth.

02:28:53 asciilifeform: will post patch set once i can be bothered to crap one out

02:29:25 cazalla: mike_c, k thanks, i tossed it into the article in blockquotes

02:29:35 asciilifeform: i possibly ought to discuss the constants

02:29:46 asciilifeform: the 0x1000000 is the offset of the default mtd4 eeprom partition

02:29:59 asciilifeform: if you monkeyed with your pogo's mtd mappings, you will have to recalculate

02:30:35 asciilifeform: (the value is simply the sum of the lengths of mtd0..3, naturally, and these numbers are available in the uboot console if that's all you've got)

02:31:33 asciilifeform: incidentally it is possible to write the eeprom from uboot (you gotta pump in the new payloads via tftp in that case, but you save time by not needing to wait for an os - such as the terrifying bloat of systemdized-archlinux - to load)

02:33:28 asciilifeform: 0x800000 - if it wasn't obvious - is where uboot parks the kernel prior to jumping in

02:33:34 asciilifeform: don't change.

02:33:44 asciilifeform: that's really all.

02:36:33 asciilifeform: 'NetBSD: running on a dead squirrel in a cardboard box since '03'

02:36:52 asciilifeform: (srsly, there is an 'atari' port.)

02:37:35 asciilifeform: 1ad4391c46ab3520e9aaf8dce2d48d4788fd3752e93c70fabf0dc66f770628d835e764855ab933905a4152524b100358c82b27ca0471a77af02836740e9c41be piece_of_shit.tar.gz

02:37:37 asciilifeform: (sha512)

02:40:35 danielpbarron: can i ssh into this thing?

02:40:41 asciilifeform: nope

02:40:44 asciilifeform: bare bones.

02:41:04 asciilifeform: once you actually install netbsd with it on something else - sure

02:41:13 asciilifeform: posted here mainly as proof of concept.

02:42:42 asciilifeform: and everybody who is seriously dealing with this stuff ought to have at least one 'pogo' with serial jack.

02:43:28 mats: http://youtu.be/xN-DNcqYUcY

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02:43:33 danielpbarron: what would you advise that i purchase?

02:44:39 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: a CP2102 or equivalent

02:44:52 asciilifeform: and, if you don't own one: soldering iron...

02:45:32 asciilifeform: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/attachment/wiki/Hardware/CP210xTutorial/cp2102.jpg

02:45:33 assbot: cp2102.jpg on Hardware/CP210xTutorial – Attachment – OsmocomBB ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1Vip6 )

02:45:33 asciilifeform: ^ it

02:46:01 asciilifeform: ubiquitous. should cost no more than a few bux

02:46:24 asciilifeform: plug into linux box, you get a /dev/ttyUSBx

02:46:38 asciilifeform: and ttl logic rx and tx on the other end of the hose.

02:46:45 asciilifeform: set to 115200 baud.

02:47:07 asciilifeform: (theoretically, default, don't have to set. but if your favourite term emu makes you set - then above)

02:47:15 *: asciilifeform uses 'gnu screen'

02:47:43 danielpbarron: http://www.amazon.com/KEDSUM%C2%AE-CP2102-Module-Download-Converter/dp/B009T2ZR6W/ will this do?

02:47:45 assbot: Amazon.com: KEDSUM® CP2102 Module STC Download Cable USB 2.0 to TTL 6PIN Serial Converter For STC: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1Vwws )

02:48:03 asciilifeform: aha

02:48:08 asciilifeform: even appears to come with wires

02:48:15 danielpbarron: there was a cheaper one, but this one has more reviews

02:48:16 asciilifeform: behead'em and solder as pictured

02:48:19 asciilifeform: in earlier thread

02:48:31 asciilifeform: you need three leads, tx, rx, ground

02:51:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31425 @ 0.00041688 = 13.1005 BTC [+]

02:51:34 danielpbarron: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009GXEF8A/ << this one might not need soldering?

02:51:36 assbot: Amazon.com: NooElec PL2303 USB to Serial (TTL) Module/Adapter with Female and Male Wiring Harnesses & Test Jumper. Compatible with Windows 98 through Windows 7; Mac OS 8 through OS X, Linux and Android!: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcekbo )

02:51:43 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: -any- of them will need soldering

02:51:49 asciilifeform: because there is no connector inside the 'pogo'.

02:51:52 asciilifeform: only bare pads.

02:52:10 asciilifeform: they omitted it to save a penny.

02:52:28 asciilifeform: (not a wholly illogical thing to do, but annoying to us junkyard dogs)

02:52:40 asciilifeform: in unrelated nyooz,

02:53:47 asciilifeform: ''After careful consideration of the public and classified pleadings, the Court holds that Plaintiffs claims must be dismissed under the state secrets privilege because (1) privileged information is at the heart of Plaintiffs claims for discrimination on the basis of disability and race, hostile work environment and retaliation, (2) Defendants cannot defend this action without relying on privileged information, and (3) further

02:53:47 asciilifeform: litigation of Plaintiffs claims would present an unjustifiable risk of disclosure of classified information regarding (a) the identities of CIA officers and employees, (b) the job titles, duties, work assignments of Plaintiff and other covert employees, and the criteria and reasons for making the work assignments and employment decisions regarding them, (c) sources and methods used by covert employees, including operational t

02:53:51 asciilifeform: radecraft and the identity of human assets; (d) the targets and focus of CIA's intelligence collection and operations, and (e) the location of CIA covert facilities. Accordingly, the Court grants Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment'. Accordingly, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment (Doc. 28) is GRANTED, and this action is DISMISSED without prejudice.'

02:54:07 asciilifeform: ( http://cryptome.org/2015/02/brennan-grandiosity-v-abilt.pdf )

02:54:28 asciilifeform: so for all those who were wondering re: the proverbial 'who is stronger? the elephant, or the whale ?'

02:54:32 asciilifeform: we have an answer.

02:56:49 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you will end up with something roughly like http://i.imgur.com/d2ivsPk.jpg?1

02:56:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcfzYf )

02:57:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00038107 = 14.595 BTC [-]

02:57:44 danielpbarron: ordering a few of these things now; i needed to get some other stuff anyway / added to order

03:01:36 danielpbarron: !up adam_obrien

03:02:01 adam_obrien: Thanks danielpbarron

03:02:24 danielpbarron: is this you? https://twitter.com/adamobie

03:02:26 assbot: Adam O'Brien (@Adamobie) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcgKXz )

03:02:41 adam_obrien: Yes that is me

03:02:49 danielpbarron: and nice job already getting in the WoT before joining :D

03:03:01 danielpbarron: or rather, registering with assbot / you're not in the WoT yet

03:03:49 decimation: asciilifeform: apparently the CIA has infinite leeway to do whatever it wants, as long is it can claim that some kind of secret is at stake

03:04:02 adam_obrien: Thats right. A friend of mine will up me later.

03:04:11 adam_obrien: I am registered with assbot and gribble

03:04:31 danielpbarron: who's your friend?

03:04:45 asciilifeform: decimation: just demonstrating that d1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!! is not the root password to usg

03:04:59 adam_obrien: Not sure his username. He is the one that got me on here

03:05:12 danielpbarron: oh, i bet it's pete

03:05:43 adam_obrien: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski

03:05:45 assbot: Pete Dushenski (@pete_dushenski) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1FchwUk )

03:05:46 adam_obrien: It sure is :)

03:05:47 adam_obrien: Small world

03:05:48 danielpbarron: ding ding! :D

03:06:05 adam_obrien: Haha ding ding indeed! I have to run.

03:06:06 decimation: nah, the whole 'd1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!!' has everything to do with the general divide & conqueror the kulaks program, and nothing to do with the exercise of actual power

03:06:34 adam_obrien: Glad everything is set up and verified! I had a whale of a time doing so

03:07:05 mircea_popescu: wait. adam_obrien ?

03:07:11 adam_obrien: yes?

03:07:24 mircea_popescu: are you the obrien of 1984 fame ? :D

03:07:49 adam_obrien: Hhaha, I wish. Unfortunately I wasn't around then so it couldn't have been me

03:08:05 mircea_popescu: aite

03:08:06 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.adam_obrien.1:16a107bffd732882d64be75907707e8fe8803d1ac2313935c1131479ca3b5744

03:08:07 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for adam_obrien with note: Comes prepared.

03:08:54 mircea_popescu: mike_c whai u no gpg ?

03:08:57 adam_obrien: Thanks, again Daniel.

03:09:09 mike_c: gpg what?

03:09:18 mircea_popescu: the pastebin

03:09:33 mircea_popescu: google indexes that shit.

03:10:03 mike_c: i made it unlisted, but it will get the link from b-a log..

03:10:08 mike_c: yeah, my mistake.

03:10:27 mircea_popescu: no biggie. just needs repeating till ppl get in habit

03:12:30 decimation: adam_obrien: do you work for those bitcoin atm folks?

03:13:10 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: this one might not need soldering? << really, it doesn't NEED soldering, you can just glue it in contact, with conductive paste, whatever.

03:13:17 adam_obrien: I own bitcoin solutions (www.btcsolutions.ca) we operate some Bitcoin ATMs as well as a margin trading platform

03:13:40 danielpbarron: i can get it soldered, i just thought that unit might have been a good fit for people without access to one

03:13:43 mircea_popescu: didn't the atms recently get shut down or is that a different country ?

03:14:03 adam_obrien: Hmmm. I haven't heard that. I think they are having issues in Russia. But in Canada everything is all good :)

03:14:40 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/quebec-regulator-bitcoin-businesses-need-a-licence/

03:14:41 assbot: Quebec Regulator: Bitcoin Businesses Need A Licence | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1XOvJ )

03:14:44 mircea_popescu: mebbe not.

03:14:51 decimation: do you have a relationship with those cavirtex guys?

03:15:02 adam_obrien: Ah - Quebec is on it's own. They operate by their own rules for some strange reason

03:15:31 adam_obrien: We are fully compliant with Fintrac (Canada's Fincen) and are operating under MSB license rules

03:15:49 adam_obrien: I don't. I have never liked cavirtex and haven't used them since there was other options

03:16:48 adam_obrien: I have to run here, if any of you need Bitcoin give me a ping adam@btcsolutions.ca

03:16:51 decimation: unfortunately it seems that here in the us there is much less clarity about how to be 'fully legal'

03:18:29 decimation: interesting it looks like they use this exchange https://www.quadrigacx.com/

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03:21:41 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://imgur.com/a/e2RWY << this is correct? or did you say it needed fixing?

03:21:43 assbot: JTAG on PogoPlug. - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FclJHD )

03:36:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62879 @ 0.00038107 = 23.9613 BTC [-]

03:37:42 mod6: <+asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << great work! & thanks for posting a tarball.

03:39:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74345 @ 0.00037325 = 27.7493 BTC [-] {4}

03:41:28 mike_c: btcalpha, never more than six months late. http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-qntr/

03:41:29 assbot: S.QNTR Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcq4ul )

03:42:07 mike_c: i'm a fan, but that stock price! idk.

03:43:05 thestringpuller: funny what a little demand will do to the price of something

03:43:15 danielpbarron: so write something!

03:43:39 mike_c: what, write another article saying what the price should be? I already did that.

03:43:48 thestringpuller: write an article for qntra

03:43:51 thestringpuller: to acquire shares

03:43:52 mike_c: oh

03:43:56 mike_c: yeah, i have.

03:44:09 mike_c: but i was more thinking i should borrow shares from a founder and short it.

03:44:18 danielpbarron: oh, hah

03:44:42 mike_c: maybe a bitbet would be interesting.

03:46:10 thestringpuller: if you can return my shares to me I'd loan some :P

03:46:47 mike_c: I don't think we'd have the same quantity or timeframe in mind.

03:51:40 thestringpuller: :P

03:52:26 thestringpuller: mike_c: you realize there aren't enough shares to push down the bids right now?

03:52:48 thestringpuller: "This brings the total shares issued to 158`788"

03:52:54 mike_c: yeah, i know

03:53:36 mike_c: a lot can change in a year. but i don't think there are enough shares in existence to make it worth it anyway. i mean, what, bingo maybe has 50k shares?

03:58:31 thestringpuller: ya

04:01:17 mircea_popescu: !up kyuupichan

04:02:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c 158k includes whole shebang, 50% are issued, i'd guess 20-30k more likely for either cazalla or bingo

04:03:14 mike_c: ;;calc 158000 / 6

04:03:15 gribble: 26333.3333333

04:03:27 mike_c: ^ that should just be what they have from being owners, no?

04:03:34 mircea_popescu: however, betting against qntra being worth w/e, 5 btc ? seems insanity.

04:03:38 mike_c: plus whatever they get for being authors

04:03:56 mircea_popescu: mike_c the 50% owner's chunk you can't acquire tho.

04:05:10 mike_c: ah, yeah. i'm not saying qntra is currently worth more than 45 btc.

04:05:15 mike_c: *isn't

04:05:25 mircea_popescu: anyway jurov may be able to write you a contract, seeing how he probably has a large chunk

04:05:38 mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr

04:05:38 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 (22381 shares, 6.39 BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.00025036 / 0.00028529 (50436 shares, 12.63 BTC)

04:05:57 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00025036 * 158788

04:05:57 gribble: 39.75416368

04:06:02 mircea_popescu: 40ish, like 8k ?

04:06:16 thestringpuller: damn. where did all these bids come from?

04:06:53 mircea_popescu: pretty good support huh

04:06:56 mike_c: i'm saying the stock price is too high, not the market cap.

04:07:03 mike_c: it gets weird with qntra.

04:07:04 mircea_popescu: mike_c you can't be sayin that.

04:07:18 mircea_popescu: it's a nonsense statement, "mkt cap is fine, stock price too high"

04:07:42 mircea_popescu: moreover, ;;calc 0.00025036 * 250

04:07:48 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00025036 * 250

04:07:48 gribble: 0.06259

04:08:07 mircea_popescu: too high as compared to what

04:08:09 thestringpuller: ^- wow so this is average price of qntra article?

04:08:21 thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.06259 * 245

04:08:22 gribble: 15.33455

04:08:28 thestringpuller: notbad.jpg

04:08:29 mike_c: too high as compared to the discounted future cash flow.

04:08:50 thestringpuller: you could say the same for changetip :P

04:09:00 mircea_popescu: heh, let him say it @fb lol

04:09:58 mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspek jurov is perhaps in the best position to write you a short of some kind.

04:11:01 thestringpuller: mike_c: do you not see stock price as measurement of "value of eyeballs watching"

04:11:17 mike_c: i see the stock price right now as one of two things.

04:11:45 mike_c: nevermind, i don't even want to get into it.

04:11:59 mircea_popescu: i dun think 8k buys one anything like a qntra, tbh.

04:12:07 mike_c: or a qntra.

04:12:17 mike_c: obviously, since you can't buy the company for 8k.

04:12:28 mircea_popescu: well, in the sense apple coudl buy russia

04:12:31 mike_c: all you can buy is a few shares. at an inflated price.

04:13:00 mike_c: geezus, my fucking blood pressure today.

04:13:12 mircea_popescu: lol wait, this is anger inducing /

04:13:24 mircea_popescu: dun mind me then, i was merely conversin'.

04:13:25 mike_c: who knows. lots of straws on the camel back today.

04:13:46 cazalla: mircea_popescu is right on that ball park figure

04:13:47 danielpbarron: i thought it seemed high too, but i'm not in a rush to sell my 204 shares, so...

04:14:29 mike_c: in a lot of public companies the market cap is related to what you could acquire the whole company for.

04:14:43 mircea_popescu: i think you at least theoreitcally could make a buyout offer.

04:14:43 mike_c: this is more and less true for different companies, but generally it's the ballpark.

04:14:59 mircea_popescu: obviously, management doesn't HAVE TO sell.

04:15:31 mike_c: yeah, but, buyer would have to hire bingo & cazalla to keep running it

04:15:34 mike_c: and pay writers

04:15:51 mircea_popescu: conceivably they could run it as it runs now, which brings us to the point :

04:15:53 mike_c: it's like a very early stage startup, you really can't just buy the whole thing yet because the founders are so critical

04:16:05 mircea_popescu: there's really no logical reason to buy it unless you got a better way to run it

04:16:16 mircea_popescu: ie, control and ownership are really separate concerns.

04:16:59 mircea_popescu: mike_c you wouldn't need to hire them specifically, but you would need someone. and as there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits...

04:17:15 mike_c: this is the whole point, right? people tried to make news sites and they sucked.

04:17:25 mircea_popescu: right.

04:17:39 mircea_popescu: kinda interesting discussion of value creation tbh.

04:17:44 mike_c: it's not like the domain is worth anything. so it is unbuyable, and the market cap is not related to its worth yet.

04:17:53 decimation: ;;isitdown qntra.net

04:17:57 gribble: qntra.net is down

04:18:00 mike_c: hehe

04:18:02 mike_c: sell!

04:18:02 mircea_popescu: but your point seems self contradictory to me. on one hand, oh, this is irreplaceable, on the other, oh, this is not worth its market value

04:18:03 mircea_popescu: lol!

04:18:10 thestringpuller: and its down! haha

04:18:24 thestringpuller: it's had good uptime recently. despite being attacked.

04:18:33 thestringpuller: which is odd given it is a baby.

04:18:42 thestringpuller: "squelch the truth"

04:18:47 thestringpuller: !up adam_obrien

04:18:48 decimation: eh, something is worth exactly what its mutually agreed purchase price is

04:18:52 decimation: all else is speculation

04:19:35 mike_c: mircea_popescu: it's because you are thinking of what the company is worth, not a share. For many companies this is a simple calculation. not so for qntra.

04:20:13 mike_c: because dilution. for the next year, massive dilution.

04:20:15 decimation: mike_c: how would you evaluate the 'worth' of a company? ben graham?

04:20:35 mike_c: decimation: like so. http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/

04:21:41 decimation: well, I would assume that the policy of share dilution would end at some point, and would not approach infinity

04:21:51 mike_c: it doesn't approach infinity

04:22:05 mike_c: dilution drops off as a matter of %

04:24:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00036704 = 18.0217 BTC [-]

04:25:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00036925 = 10.6529 BTC [+]

04:27:23 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so I was getting beer with Pierre_Rochard the other night, and got on the topic of off "blockchain solutions" in relation to derps wanting to buy coffee on blockchain. so eventually came to realization MPEx can do what Coinbase does but better. PUSH is free of charge, so in theory persons with MPEX accounts could make payment processing network with various bank thingies. they take derps money, put in mpex, and

04:28:18 thestringpuller: MPEx may one day allow redditards to buy coffee (and yes one day also pigs may fly)

04:30:23 mike_c: anyway, i'm a qntra fanboy for the record. g'nite all!

04:30:45 danielpbarron: and with cardano, they can do it safely from any internet cafe

04:30:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14957 @ 0.00035807 = 5.3557 BTC [-]

04:31:07 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: correct? << nononononono. 1) you want serial, not jtag 2) the jtag in my photo is wrong

04:31:41 danielpbarron: these are different things?

04:31:51 asciilifeform: yes!

04:31:54 asciilifeform: entirely different

04:32:06 danielpbarron: i don't need jtag though, right?

04:32:15 asciilifeform: jtag is a protocol for directly reading/flipping bits in the cpu, eeprom, ram.

04:32:41 asciilifeform: it is very spiffy but you probably don't have the required machine to connect to it

04:33:13 asciilifeform: you want the serial.

04:33:43 danielpbarron: i should have something tuesday

04:33:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it doesn't NEED soldering, you can just glue it in contact, with conductive paste << Nnn-o. conductive glue is a -waste of time and money- unless you're making cheapo resistors

04:34:00 decimation: I bought my ttl-level serial/usb converter on ebay

04:34:10 mircea_popescu: ;;LATER TELL mike_c but logically a share can not be differently worth from mktcap/sharecount.

04:34:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:34:25 mircea_popescu: this is like telling me that a dollar's not worth 1/100 of a hundred dollars.

04:34:29 asciilifeform: phriends don't let phriends conductive glue. it just sucks.

04:34:53 asciilifeform: (and if not today then tomorrow when room temp changes)

04:35:06 mircea_popescu: and for that matter... a) in fact qntra is set to have MUCH LESS dilution than absolutely ANY start-up.

04:35:13 decimation: the 'proper' solution would probably be to solder the 1mm pin headers you mention in your photos and then use a ribbon cable with pin-header plugs

04:35:32 mircea_popescu: the qntra dilution argument is similar to the bitcoin inflation argument, saying something like "bitcoin is set to inflate at a fixed rate, fiat currenciesa are not"

04:35:43 asciilifeform: mod6: thanks for posting a tarball << it contains a 12MB turd (mostly nulls) that can be booted to show that netbsd boots on pogo and diddles the network. that's all

04:36:02 mircea_popescu: this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric.

04:36:15 mircea_popescu: pity he left.

04:36:25 decimation: re: qntra > I guess my thinking is that he is using pretty speculative thinking about the rate of dilution, who knows how management is going to act in the future

04:37:00 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller this theory is in fact long standing practice, it's just that the derps filling up the www with their words don't know what they don't know

04:37:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits... << l0l! or were you just thinking of the 'non-marginal' folks who don't 'depend on paycheques'

04:37:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's making a poc, for himself, as the first thing. he can solder later if he can't solder now

04:38:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if can't solder this, should ask a friend. it is a first class bitch to debug pogo w/out a serial console

04:38:28 mircea_popescu: glue omg!

04:38:36 mircea_popescu: you have never used glue ?

04:38:39 asciilifeform: have

04:38:41 asciilifeform: to my grief.

04:38:44 mircea_popescu: so then stop bitching lol

04:38:54 asciilifeform: good way to make a resistor randomly between 100k and 1Mohm

04:39:16 decimation: asciilifeform: are the pogo serial port 'holes' filled with solder?

04:39:19 mircea_popescu: for this application! not for treating his blepharospasm

04:39:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you actually used conductive flue and didn't regret ? where ?

04:39:26 asciilifeform: *glue

04:39:33 mircea_popescu: in one off sort of applications like this.

04:39:47 asciilifeform: decimation: they were on my unit

04:40:33 asciilifeform: anyway, whoever wants to prepare conductive glue can follow simple recipe, epoxy resin and aluminum powder. heavy on the latter. but don't say i didn't warn...

04:41:00 decimation: yeah soldering really isn't that hard, and this is good practice

04:41:28 asciilifeform: for the record: this is not needed on 'production' units! only for folks actively screwing with the os

04:41:46 asciilifeform: and in particular, in ways liable to render it unbootable

04:41:57 decimation: speaking of which, did you see the apple macbookpro recall ascii?

04:42:03 asciilifeform: nope

04:42:05 *: danielpbarron hasn't bricked on yet, thankfully

04:42:12 asciilifeform: (don't have any here, either)

04:42:12 danielpbarron: one*

04:42:13 thestringpuller: "/u/thestringpuller has helped pay for 216.25 minutes of reddit server time." << badges now cause reddit can't pay the bills. derped into socialism...

04:42:33 mircea_popescu: how much is 216 minutes cost ?

04:42:44 thestringpuller: apparently 1 reddit gold...

04:42:53 danielpbarron: reddit is like reverse qntra

04:43:09 decimation: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/02/apple-launches-repair-program-for-longstanding-2011-macbook-pro-gpu-problems/ << apparently it was in response to a lawsuit

04:43:10 assbot: Apple launches repair program for longstanding 2011 MacBook Pro GPU problems | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzKShD )

04:43:45 danielpbarron: "in soviet reddit, you pay them to write!"

04:43:51 decimation: the lawsuit alleges (based on what evidence?) that the gpus on the macbook pros would heat too rapidly for the lead-free solder, and would thermally shock it, causing cracks

04:58:15 asciilifeform: decimation: notice that this has been ongoing since 2007

04:58:22 asciilifeform: on *all* machines featuring nvidia gpu

04:58:40 asciilifeform: i had half a dozen die in precisely this way on my watch.

04:58:50 asciilifeform: usually a month or two after warranty expiration.

04:59:36 asciilifeform: (to clarify: all portable machines)

05:00:04 asciilifeform: and yes, it started with eu 'rohs' mandate for lead-free.

05:04:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3307 @ 0.00035807 = 1.1841 BTC [-]

05:06:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reference counting... [david moon tale] ...but sure, it'd be great if it worked << there are quite a few systems which used reference-counting in garbage collector (other than in the demented c++ and apple systems, it is generally used in a garbage collector to determine 'what's garbage?'.) appears in, e.g., wolfram's 'mathematica.' down side: cannot have circular data structures.

05:06:49 asciilifeform: well, not merely circular, but self-referential in any form

05:06:55 asciilifeform: they will not get collected - ever.

05:07:07 asciilifeform: because - elementarily - reference count never nulls!

05:07:15 asciilifeform: hence the david moon anecdote.

05:07:21 jurov: thestringpuller: MPEx may one day allow redditards to buy coffee << lawl

05:07:42 asciilifeform: jurov: last i checked, they are already able to buy coffee, lol

05:08:03 asciilifeform: MPEx may one day -prohibit- redditards from buying coffee!

05:09:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00036925 = 4.431 BTC [+]

05:10:30 jurov: ;;later tell mike_c most qntra shares in coinbr custody was claimed and afaik sold already. And I promised 14 day delivery of the rest on request, so prolly not what you want

05:10:30 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:21:28 asciilifeform: the apple gpu thing is a true plague

05:21:34 asciilifeform: and the repairs -are a scam-

05:21:46 asciilifeform: they give you a board with the same ticking bomb

05:22:04 asciilifeform: whatdidjathink, they'd run a one-off with leaded solder just for you?

05:22:09 asciilifeform: because of some lawsuit ?

05:22:42 asciilifeform: and the comments on the article are blood-boiling

05:22:50 asciilifeform: 'who cares about 4 y.o. machines'

05:23:15 asciilifeform: i buy hardware, it is expected to last for 15-20 yrs.

05:23:31 asciilifeform: if it doesn't - that is to say, doesn't match fucking 1980s state of the art - it's a turd.

05:23:39 asciilifeform: and should be sold to coprophagiacs specially labeled.

05:24:51 asciilifeform: it was precisely the gpu thing that cured me of the 'omg only apple knows how to make Quality Hardware' (tm)

05:25:21 asciilifeform: and not only gpu;

05:25:34 asciilifeform: colleague of mine bought a $3k 'macbook' a few mo. ago

05:25:51 asciilifeform: the screen developed a hairline crack right in front of my eyes

05:25:55 asciilifeform: apple wouldn't refund.

05:25:59 asciilifeform: 'it was something you did'

05:27:09 asciilifeform: and sure, he could join a class-action and possibly get $10 seven years later.

05:27:12 asciilifeform: big fucking whoop.

05:28:17 asciilifeform: the 'secret' is that *no one* is making quality hardware. but apple is the most egregious sc4mz0r, for continuing to maintain the pretense.

05:28:35 asciilifeform: on the strength of a reputation that has long been entirely, thoroughly baseless.

05:29:14 jurov: i once won a free ipod mini from ibm...that thing recharged longer than played

05:29:34 thestringpuller: jurov: ah the nightly recharge of the ipod

05:29:45 thestringpuller: makes me think of high school. charging that thing each night

05:29:49 thestringpuller: before school.

05:32:09 asciilifeform: 'My wife got through her Master's on a G3 iBook, and we paid to have its motherboard replaced twice for the same graphics issue, a little over a year apart. Having to pay for the first repair sucked, but sometimes those are the odds. Having to pay to repair it a second time due to identical symptoms a couple of months after the initial repair warranty was up was a kick in the teeth, and was a good indicator that there was some

05:32:09 asciilifeform: thing fundamentally wrong.'

05:32:14 asciilifeform: ^ thoroughly typical

05:32:36 asciilifeform: for the record, it is very important to understand why folks put up with this.

05:32:42 asciilifeform: it is specifically, and entirely,

05:32:44 asciilifeform: to avoid winblows.

05:33:26 asciilifeform: i suspect that a sizable majority of apple users, if offered the choice between using winblows and being buggered with a thermos, complete with handle, every night,

05:33:31 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: are you familiar with giant douche vs turd sandwich?

05:33:33 asciilifeform: would take the thermos smiling

05:33:37 asciilifeform: and without hesitation.

05:33:56 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ?

05:34:07 asciilifeform: i imagine it's an archetypical 'good cop/bad cop' duo

05:34:37 thestringpuller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche_and_Turd << no its essentially having to choose between giant douche or turd sandwich

05:34:54 asciilifeform: !s fork in the eye

05:35:05 assbot: 3 results for 'fork in the eye' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork+in+the+eye

05:35:59 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i have no idea what that is. what's a reddit gold ? a dollar ? 2 ? 10 ?

05:36:03 mircea_popescu: !up chatquack

05:36:24 *: chatquack wabes

05:36:36 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: 30 bucks for a year

05:37:06 *: asciilifeform chatquack wabes << gyres and gymbles

05:37:07 thestringpuller: or 4 bucks a month

05:37:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you dunno to begin with wtf data strcutres its gonna have.

05:37:14 chatquack: *pours mircea_popescu some honey mead*

05:37:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is correct

05:37:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on systems with reference-counting, users are normally barred from directly manipulating cons cells

05:38:11 asciilifeform: which would be, on such systems, the only means for crafting a self-referential data structure

05:38:26 asciilifeform: mega-lulz when they pop the hood and succeed anyway

05:38:34 asciilifeform: creating eternal turds that never get collected

05:39:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: looks like I provided 4 bucks.

05:39:16 thestringpuller: wait nvm 30

05:39:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> to avoid winblows. << it could be because they don't givew so much of a shit about the money. if he/she could afford a pointless masters,

05:39:19 thestringpuller: :(

05:39:23 mircea_popescu: they can afford a pointless "repair"

05:39:40 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 30*24*60 / 216 * 30

05:39:40 gribble: 6000

05:40:01 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller reddit runs out of 6k a month worth of servers ? impressive if true.

05:40:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't about the money. talk to a 30+ year apple user. the kind that stuck to it 'through thick and thin'

05:40:33 asciilifeform: it's about the get-the-microshit-out-of-my-fucking-face-i-dont-care-what

05:40:48 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I wouln'dt be surprised cause shits always going down.

05:41:19 mircea_popescu: chatquack i just went through home made cherry brandy, im full up on sweet liquor

05:42:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i fail to see how "reference counting" is any sort of anything resembling a solution nor c etc demented for not having it.

05:42:36 chatquack: Oh I bet! Sounds tasty though

05:42:41 asciilifeform: c doesn't do the garbage collection thing at all

05:42:51 mircea_popescu: well cause it can't be fucking done.

05:43:21 mircea_popescu: i can follow that logic there. "for ten cents we can't be bothered, write your own damned card"

05:43:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beg to differ. there are very good algos for garbage collection with hard real-time guarantees. they are complicated and i know of no system other than common lisp where they are implemented with any quality.

05:43:45 mircea_popescu: so there you go.

05:43:49 asciilifeform: typically one has multiple levels of storage for objects with different ranges of expected lifetime

05:43:54 asciilifeform: e.g. a 'nursery'

05:44:05 asciilifeform: from which objs are promoted, optionally

05:44:06 asciilifeform: etc

05:44:34 mircea_popescu: i think you see my point. well "my". porobably the oldest point in computing.

05:45:13 asciilifeform: the ultimate mega-death-star reference work on the subject is 'garbage collection algorithms for automatic dynamic memory management' (r. jones & r. d. lins)

05:45:17 asciilifeform: ^^^^^ recommended

05:45:21 asciilifeform: to anyone who gives half a fuck

05:45:46 asciilifeform: in fact, i dare say it is the only good work on the subject in dead tree.

05:46:32 asciilifeform: but yes, garbage collection will have a terrible reputation for at least another half century on account of the state-of-the-art half a century ago when john mccarthy invented it, 'stop the world'

05:46:55 asciilifeform: literally, like keeping two flats, occasionally taking useful objects from one to the other, then setting off dynamite in the old flat.

05:47:24 asciilifeform: 'stop the world' is also called 'semispace'

05:47:30 mircea_popescu: everything should be dereferenced every 1337th instruction

05:47:31 asciilifeform: !s semispace

05:47:32 assbot: 3 results for 'semispace' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=semispace

05:47:36 asciilifeform: ^ we did it

05:47:37 mircea_popescu: that way, it defnitely fits in head.

05:47:42 asciilifeform: l0l

05:48:20 mircea_popescu: "how long is a program ?" "that depends. on 64 bit registers, roughly 21kb

05:50:51 asciilifeform: i'll add that neither 'mark and sweep' (stop-the-world in its basic form) nor 'reference counting' are necessary on a dataflow machine

05:51:08 asciilifeform: where you can determine precisely what objects are live simply by... forming electric circuit (yes) from the root node

05:51:18 asciilifeform: and whoever 'lights up' is live.

05:52:08 asciilifeform: obligatory:

05:52:09 asciilifeform: !s spaghetti sort

05:52:10 assbot: 1 results for 'spaghetti sort' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spaghetti+sort

05:52:56 asciilifeform: ^^^ wtf!!!! stemming is back!

05:53:04 asciilifeform: die stemming, die

05:53:37 asciilifeform: http://everything2.com/title/spaghetti+sort

05:53:38 assbot: spaghetti sort - Everything2.com ... ( http://bit.ly/17mLhXC )

05:53:38 mircea_popescu: how is it stemmed ?

05:53:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look at the result

05:53:55 asciilifeform: does the string 'spaghetti sort' occur in it ?

05:53:58 mircea_popescu: sort-of ? that's proper break

05:54:08 mircea_popescu: but it never was strict sting, it was boith words.

05:54:18 mircea_popescu: you want quotes.

05:54:31 mircea_popescu: !s 'spaghetti sort'

05:54:32 assbot: 1 results for ''spaghetti sort'' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%27spaghetti+sort%27

05:54:40 mircea_popescu: !s "spaghetti sort"

05:54:41 assbot: 0 results for '"spaghetti sort"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22spaghetti+sort%22

05:54:41 asciilifeform: aha

05:54:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is correct

05:54:49 mircea_popescu: you want " quotes specifically.

05:55:42 asciilifeform: back to thread, momentarily, before i nod off to sleep; certain problems (i dare say most of the 'big ones') in algorithms magically dissipate when you burn the retarded von neumann thing

05:57:42 asciilifeform: for real life implementations of 'spaghetti sort', see adi shamir's 'twinkle' and 'twirl' machines.

05:57:56 asciilifeform: (i'm nearly certain we did these here)

05:58:40 asciilifeform: in a von neumann machine, you'd have to individually address and ask each cell what its output is, to take the sum, like a total idiot

05:59:04 mircea_popescu: is shamir still working on those light machines ?

05:59:04 asciilifeform: in 'twinkle', you just have a led in each and a phototransistor on top.

05:59:08 asciilifeform: ask him.

05:59:37 *: asciilifeform never saw shamir alive and doesn't expect to, iirc he was perma-banned from usa

05:59:50 mircea_popescu: was he ?

06:00:06 asciilifeform: http://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2013/10/shamir

06:00:08 assbot: Cryptographer Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending NSA History Conference ... ( http://bit.ly/17mLJVM )

06:00:58 mircea_popescu: mebbe we should ask adlai to pay him a visit ? do an interview for qntra

06:01:31 asciilifeform: see also comments

06:01:34 asciilifeform: for other banned folks

06:02:02 asciilifeform: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131016/10282624900/how-government-blocked-expert-attending-its-own-cryptology-symposium.shtml << moar

06:02:04 assbot: How The Government Blocked An Expert From Attending Its Own Cryptology Symposium | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/17mLSIV )

06:02:26 asciilifeform: 'In July 2013 I told the NSA-affiliated conference organizers that I was having some problems in getting my visa, and gently asked whether they could do something about it. Always eager to help, the NSA people leaped into action, and immediately sent me a short email written with a lot of tact: ?The trouble you are having is regrettable?Sorry you won?t be able to come to our conference. We have submitted our program and

06:02:26 asciilifeform: did not include you on it.?

06:02:28 asciilifeform: '

06:03:09 mircea_popescu: In my humble opinion, we are heading toward a disaster, and I have heard many people, among them our top scientists, saying that they are not willing anymore to visit the US, and collaborate with American scientists, because of the difficulties.

06:03:11 mircea_popescu: heg

06:03:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00036925 = 13.4038 BTC [+]

06:03:46 pete_dushenski: aw i missed adam_obrien's cherry popping

06:05:39 mircea_popescu: "As a friend of the US I am deeply worried that if you continue to delay visas in such a way, the only thing you will achieve is to alienate many world-famous foreign scientists, forcing them to increase their cooperation with European or Chinese scientists whose countries roll the red carpet for such visits. "

06:05:40 mircea_popescu: heh.

06:06:03 mircea_popescu: "why get now for free what you won't be able to afford later on ?!?!?!!?"

06:06:04 pete_dushenski: us just wants to bury its head in the sand

06:06:20 asciilifeform: 'we don't need no stinking jew crypto here in the reich'

06:06:46 *: mircea_popescu tries real hard to imagine the next generation shamir putting to paper the 'friend of the us' string.

06:06:57 asciilifeform: that was probably a first and a last.

06:06:59 mircea_popescu: hegel and shaw were great friends of the third reich,

06:07:05 mircea_popescu: but who in the 60s said the same ?

06:07:12 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:it's about the get-the-microshit-out-of-my-fucking-face-i-dont-care-what << now, as ever

06:07:46 asciilifeform: iirc pete_dushenski is a hereditary apple user, ought to deeply grok this ^

06:07:46 pete_dushenski: lol jew crypto!

06:08:07 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform your memory serves you well.

06:08:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37135 @ 0.00036925 = 13.7121 BTC [+]

06:08:25 asciilifeform: i'm friends with several folks like that in meatspace

06:08:30 asciilifeform: and thereby know

06:08:32 pete_dushenski: and while the new stuff is faster, it certainly isn't built to last

06:08:50 pete_dushenski: the screen on this 'air' is already mroe borked than us science

06:08:54 pete_dushenski: not 2 years old

06:09:28 asciilifeform: the only apple box currently in my collection is a circa-'09 'air'

06:09:39 asciilifeform: it is very well preserved but survived a burst (yes) battery

06:09:41 pete_dushenski: 6 year old al macbook is slow, but a bit weighed down with junk, still mechanically solid

06:09:53 pete_dushenski: burst!

06:09:57 asciilifeform: aha

06:10:08 asciilifeform: looked like a botulismed tin can

06:10:15 asciilifeform: the whole machine!

06:10:19 pete_dushenski: don't eat it!

06:10:24 asciilifeform: keys discorged from kbd, etc

06:10:28 asciilifeform: *disgorged

06:10:39 asciilifeform: vendor repair for a few hundy, iirc

06:10:45 asciilifeform: included new kbd and chassis

06:10:48 pete_dushenski: !gettrust adam_obrien

06:10:49 assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user adam_obrien: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/pete_dushenski/adam_obrien | http://w.b-a.link/user/adam_obrien

06:11:17 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform not bad.

06:11:45 pete_dushenski: i think a new screen will run about 200 for this air

06:11:53 pete_dushenski: procrastinating...

06:12:10 pete_dushenski: mostly because i'm annoyed

06:12:16 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/40c900a0b6e296ee104f65275903124f/tumblr_ncoltiHwzR1rdc5oto1_400.jpg << anyone know that signature ?

06:12:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18e6wMk )

06:12:17 asciilifeform: what vintage air ?

06:12:33 asciilifeform: i've a dead one with intact lcd.

06:12:44 pete_dushenski: 2013 air

06:12:50 asciilifeform: standard res ?

06:12:55 pete_dushenski: ya

06:12:58 asciilifeform: find if part is compatible with circa 2010

06:13:07 pete_dushenski: kk

06:13:22 asciilifeform: if yes, gpggram a post box addr and i'll mail you.

06:13:35 asciilifeform: itching to get rid of that thing to good use, it's cluttering up my machine shop

06:13:53 jurov: http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/20-02-2015/129881-minsk_munich-0/ lol. i can't even..

06:13:55 assbot: Minsk and Munich: History repeats itself - English pravda.ru ... ( http://bit.ly/18e6GmV )

06:13:56 asciilifeform: the bottom half is melted

06:13:59 asciilifeform: into heap of slag

06:14:04 asciilifeform: but lcd ought to work

06:14:29 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform danke for the offer at least!

06:14:36 *: pete_dushenski still digging

06:16:37 asciilifeform: i'm actually the only person i know who keeps an apple box 'for testing xxxx on apple once in a blue moon' without sitting on it all the time

06:16:48 asciilifeform: somehow this is simply not done...

06:23:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00036925 = 1.6247 BTC [+]

06:23:59 pete_dushenski: i have an old apple box or two that is blue mooning

06:24:50 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform ok, so here's the air display situation: if you have the 1280x800 screen, i'm out of luck, if you have the 1440x900 then we're good!

06:24:59 asciilifeform: sadly it's the former.

06:25:09 pete_dushenski: myeah

06:25:12 asciilifeform: (it being the original series)

06:25:16 pete_dushenski: just our luck eh

06:25:20 asciilifeform: eh well.

06:25:32 pete_dushenski: thx for the offer though

06:25:37 asciilifeform: np

06:26:05 asciilifeform: if anybody else here wants it, mail me.

06:26:41 asciilifeform: incidentally, it died of nvidia gpu

06:26:58 asciilifeform: bottom is molten slag because i tried the traditional hot air reflow machine repair method

06:27:06 asciilifeform: and couldn't be arsed to take the mobo out beforehand

06:27:12 asciilifeform: and overcooked it a wee bit.

06:28:11 pete_dushenski: jurov lol oh pravda...

06:28:14 asciilifeform: had to issue pet new box.

06:28:52 asciilifeform: комсомольская правда!

06:28:54 pete_dushenski: what'd you replace it with ?

06:29:06 asciilifeform: ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭

06:29:16 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: similar

06:29:32 thestringpuller: all these unicode characters!

06:29:43 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: i bought a car lol.

06:29:50 thestringpuller: Subaru. not quite a saddam.

06:30:00 pete_dushenski: a nice!

06:30:11 pete_dushenski: saving the volvo idea for later ?

06:30:23 *: asciilifeform used to have a 'subaru'

06:30:24 thestringpuller: d00d was telling me about forrester he sold that had 400k miles on it

06:30:35 thestringpuller: and was still running, had been driven all over the country

06:30:55 asciilifeform: incidentally, there is no firm 'subaru'

06:30:55 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that bit of russian gets spit out as "tvnz" by google translate

06:30:58 asciilifeform: there is only fuji heavy industries.

06:30:58 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: saving the volvo idea for later << can't find one that's bene taken care of

06:31:37 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell kakobrekla please to add !translate function to assbot wish list.

06:31:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:32:23 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform of which toyota owns a chunk

06:32:42 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller not so surprising really

06:33:24 *: asciilifeform is not 'car guy' despite - or perhaps because of? - spending a rather extraordinary amount of time in cars

06:33:40 pete_dushenski: !rate adam_obrien 3 the kid can hustle. cad-btc broker.

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06:34:05 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform sorta like taxi drivers aren't "car guys"

06:34:10 pete_dushenski: per se

06:34:13 asciilifeform: sorta

06:35:30 *: asciilifeform drove on what must've been a 20km solid strip of ice today

06:35:53 pete_dushenski: drove or was driven ?

06:35:59 asciilifeform: the former

06:36:07 asciilifeform: driven lol

06:36:10 asciilifeform: whos gonna

06:36:47 asciilifeform: the woman - doesn't drive

06:37:11 pete_dushenski: orly ? no license even ?

06:37:14 asciilifeform: aha

06:37:20 asciilifeform: believe or not there are such people

06:37:25 asciilifeform: in modern day

06:37:46 *: pete_dushenski fuming at 'air' now. $450-600 for new display!

06:38:08 pete_dushenski: sure, i just thought they mostly lived in montreal

06:38:08 asciilifeform: apple tax (tm)

06:38:25 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc it is possible to forgo cars in montreal

06:38:39 pete_dushenski: very much so

06:38:54 pete_dushenski: one of the only places on the continent

06:39:13 pete_dushenski: i should say, one of the only that i'd live in and not have need for car

06:39:54 pete_dushenski: so it's 1) real city, 2) pleasant (for me), 3) doesn't require car

06:40:10 *: asciilifeform went there, once, as a schoolboy

06:40:23 pete_dushenski: nyc is 1 and 3, not 2

06:40:31 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform school trip ?

06:40:36 *: asciilifeform for some reason only remembers the chinese quarter with the monstrous fish hanging in the market

06:40:38 asciilifeform: with spike

06:40:45 asciilifeform: nah not school, went with family for kicks

06:40:52 asciilifeform: just because we could

06:41:45 pete_dushenski: hey why not

06:42:12 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.adam_obrien.3:2dcac74653866d7b577b42d50842fd1c1258e54ebd97872ccff075cdfb32fb26

06:42:13 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 3 for adam_obrien with note: the kid can hustle. cad-btc broker.

06:43:30 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform did/do you have siblings ?

06:43:34 asciilifeform: aha

06:43:36 asciilifeform: brother

06:44:30 pete_dushenski: heh i somehow imagined that you had all this time as a youf to diddle computers because you were an only child!

06:44:37 asciilifeform: l0l no.

06:45:59 asciilifeform: elder brother, led me to the sinful life.

06:46:23 asciilifeform: but more clever than i - he has virtually no net presence at all.

06:47:06 pete_dushenski: how is ignoring the best first largest cult 'more clever' ?

06:47:28 pete_dushenski: other than less gasenwagen

06:47:31 asciilifeform: mainly ^

06:47:47 pete_dushenski: he won't have a chance to be teh gwagon driver though!

06:47:59 pete_dushenski: when we put the shoe on the other foot

06:48:08 pete_dushenski: WHEN i tell you.

06:48:27 pete_dushenski: heh

06:49:00 asciilifeform: obligatory:

06:49:02 asciilifeform: http://orwell.ru/library/articles/revenge/english/e_revso

06:49:03 assbot: George Orwell: Revenge is Sour ... ( http://bit.ly/18e7V5A )

06:49:10 *: asciilifeform for the record, does not agree with mr. o

06:49:15 asciilifeform: on this subject

06:49:16 pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/32BQMT1.txt << lulzy btc-e phish i just received

06:49:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18e7Yyk )

06:49:18 asciilifeform: but the piece is relevant

06:49:33 pete_dushenski: with "btc-e wallet.rar" attachment

06:51:21 thestringpuller: lol. i've noticed a slight pattern.

06:51:31 thestringpuller: pete is most active in #b-a after writing an article

06:51:57 thestringpuller: got this pavlov goin on here. saw your name pete, and subconciously refreshed tab with your blog in it. voila new article. ;)

06:52:07 asciilifeform: i've always wondered if vonnegut wrote the leather suitcase strap scene in his 'mother night' after reading that orwell piece

06:52:18 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller lol except that was from this morning!

06:52:23 pete_dushenski: like 15 hours ago

06:52:31 asciilifeform: it's similar to the point of being misfiled together in my head

06:52:58 pete_dushenski: but yes, the routine is something like 1) publish, 2) self-scoop, 3) catch-up

06:53:12 asciilifeform: Mengel was speaking of Rudolf Franz Hoess, the commandant of the extermination camp

06:53:13 asciilifeform: at Auschwitz. In his tender care, literally millions of Jews were gassed. Mengel knew a little

06:53:13 asciilifeform: about Hoess. Before emigrating to Israel in 1947, Mengel helped to hang Hoess.

06:53:13 asciilifeform: And he didn't do it with testimony, either. He did it with his two big hands. 'When Hoess

06:53:13 asciilifeform: was hanged,' he told me, 'the strap around his ankles ? I put that on and made it tight'

06:53:13 asciilifeform: 'Did that give you a lot of satisfaction?' I said.

06:53:15 asciilifeform: 'No,' he said, 'I was like almost everybody who came through that war.'

06:53:17 asciilifeform: 'What do you mean?' I said. 'I got so I couldn't feel anything,' said Mengel. 'Every job was

06:53:19 asciilifeform: a job to do, and no job was any better or any worse than any other.'

06:53:21 asciilifeform: 'After we finished hanging Hoess,' Mengel said to me, 'I packed up my clothes to go home.

06:53:23 asciilifeform: The catch on my suitcase was broken, so I buckled it shut with a big leather strap. Twice

06:53:25 asciilifeform: within an hour I did the very same job ? once to Hoess and once to my suitcase. Both jobs

06:53:27 asciilifeform: felt about the same.'

06:54:19 pete_dushenski: makes sense

06:54:27 pete_dushenski: (from the armchair)

06:54:40 pete_dushenski: depends on one's own disposition too

06:54:52 asciilifeform: http://schoolsites.schoolworld.com/schools/Cheltenham/webpages/rwilman/files/kurt%20vonnegut%20-%20mother%20night.pdf << l33t w4r3z copy

06:54:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18e8dtk )

06:54:57 pete_dushenski: do you give a shit when you see roadkill ?

06:55:21 asciilifeform: i'm told that in subsaharan africa, human roadkill is sop

06:55:29 asciilifeform: as in, no one stops to clean it up or id it

06:55:42 asciilifeform: just not anybody's business.

06:55:50 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: your stories make me never want to go to jail.

06:55:51 asciilifeform: it goes flatter, spins around now&then

06:56:09 thestringpuller: i mean no one wants to go to jail. but your stories REALLY make me not want to go to jail

06:56:09 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: and i'm not even in the jail

06:56:39 *: asciilifeform has not even yet been in the jail

06:56:42 asciilifeform: so which stories

06:56:44 pete_dushenski: you have a lot less time to fuck around worry about someone else's problems in a country where there's not 50x more wealth than needed for sustenance.

06:57:20 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i can only guess at why they do, but the human roadkill thing isn't so surprising

06:57:40 pete_dushenski: it isn't to me either

06:58:00 pete_dushenski: there's >1bn 'lives' in africa

06:58:19 pete_dushenski: yet less productive output than the northern tip of israel

06:58:44 *: asciilifeform kicks a small crate labelev 'nuvoton'

06:59:22 *: asciilifeform shoves a larger crate of israeli gas masks

06:59:57 *: asciilifeform looks for manufactured object from africa in room, can't find

07:01:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00036402 = 9.9377 BTC [-]

07:01:22 pete_dushenski: precisement

07:01:55 *: pete_dushenski guesses that asciilifeform isn't much for aesthetic diamonds

07:02:14 *: asciilifeform has a diamond cutoff wheel somewhere

07:02:15 pete_dushenski: or 50-year-old pianos

07:02:20 asciilifeform: actually

07:02:28 asciilifeform: i've a sack of piano keys, circa 1890

07:02:34 pete_dushenski: elephant keys!

07:02:37 asciilifeform: aha

07:02:43 asciilifeform: but then could even count the tantalum in capacitors

07:02:53 asciilifeform: i was specifically looking for manufactured goods

07:03:01 pete_dushenski: not more roadkill

07:03:03 asciilifeform: if vegetable, mineral - can probably turn up a dozen

07:03:45 asciilifeform: (why piano keys - story for another day)

07:03:46 pete_dushenski: africa: come for the adventure, leave with the roadkill

07:03:55 asciilifeform: stay as the roadkill

07:04:11 asciilifeform: depending how the dice fall

07:04:34 pete_dushenski: if you're traveling to africa, you can probably afford to stay out of the anonymous ditch

07:04:41 asciilifeform: obligatory mega-classic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/924795/posts

07:04:43 assbot: Let Africa Sink ... ( http://bit.ly/18e8vAl )

07:05:31 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform aha i recall reading that while writing this: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/21/why-are-you-in-such-a-huff-all-i-said-was-we-should-think-about-quarantining-africa/

07:05:32 assbot: Why Are You In Such A Huff? All I Said Was “We Should Think About Quarantining Africa” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/18e8xbi )

07:06:03 pete_dushenski: in the olden days when ebola was scary...

07:06:11 pete_dushenski: all of 3 months ago ?

07:06:21 asciilifeform: would be interesting to know where it went

07:06:39 asciilifeform: for all i know, it rages still somewhere in midwest

07:06:44 asciilifeform: amidst news blackout

07:07:09 asciilifeform: or, alternatively, 'politicians want to live too' and quietly orders were given

07:07:25 pete_dushenski: eh if news is leaking out of ukraine, it can find its way out of midwestia

07:07:46 asciilifeform: the stopper on ua bottle - in english - is nearly airtight

07:08:24 pete_dushenski: i call baloney

07:08:42 pete_dushenski: what is this, 1950 ?

07:08:52 pete_dushenski: 950 ?

07:08:55 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: care to show counter-example ?

07:09:17 asciilifeform: as in, who - other than orlov - is spilling the beans in engl. ?

07:09:49 pete_dushenski: tlp, mp

07:09:56 asciilifeform: tlp ?

07:10:00 pete_dushenski: hell, fox news

07:10:07 asciilifeform: lol srsly ?

07:10:34 pete_dushenski: not that seriously, but not that jokingly either

07:10:46 pete_dushenski: the last psychiatrist, chris ballas

07:10:53 asciilifeform: i know who

07:10:58 asciilifeform: but thought he disappeared a while ago

07:11:07 *: asciilifeform has read the complete tlp

07:11:08 pete_dushenski: not really

07:11:21 pete_dushenski: his last article was only 7 months ago

07:11:34 pete_dushenski: *only*

07:21:40 *: pete_dushenski did more digging on foxnews.com, came up utterly blank trying to find anything of value. retracts earlier statement.

07:22:25 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: which << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770561 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817435 << those two in particular. i guess no one wants to be in gulag, but stories like this REALLY make me not wanna be in US gulag. The latter means once prisoner of US gulag, US polezei will toss you back in as the feel like it even if you escape.

07:23:34 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform either way, i figure the burden is on you to prove air tightness, not me to disprove

07:23:52 thestringpuller: as you further state here asciilifeform >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817449 << the real escape has costs and stuff

07:23:56 pete_dushenski: lack of news in midwest doesn't prove 'cover up'

07:24:09 pete_dushenski: the midwest is just... dull

07:24:29 pete_dushenski: if 'cover up' were in effect, no one would've ever heard of ferguson mo

07:24:45 pete_dushenski: and i'm pretty sure africa's heard of ferguson mo

07:30:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99100 @ 0.00036451 = 36.1229 BTC [+] {2}

07:32:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00035807 = 2.8825 BTC [-]

10:09:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @ 0.00037321 = 31.5362 BTC [+] {2}

10:35:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00037842 = 37.1987 BTC [+] {4}

10:57:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44072 @ 0.00038296 = 16.8778 BTC [+] {3}

11:01:58 punkman: http://www.getmagicnow.com/

11:01:59 assbot: Magic ... ( http://bit.ly/1D6co4s )

11:33:20 jurov: ^ lol asciilifeform can ask them for stuff and pay in bitcoin... but quite bezzle rates

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12:51:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00036478 = 5.7635 BTC [-]

12:55:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd << 100k usd seems to be "magic number" in USia's /etc/moduli

12:58:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << Beautiful, but there's going to be some very sad japs who still can't netbsd up their pogo next to their toaster because nand

13:01:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: nubbins`: elementary fact is that i can only keep my wot obligations (s.nsa) if i have present level of equipment and time << When BTC funded taxi leaves USia, maybe missile takes it down in interesting place and we all meet the "boys from brazil"

13:06:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, decimation: the point that i was trying - and failing - to make, was that a fundamentally fiat-based business arrangement like renting a house from a fella on opposite end of continent who you've never met and never expect to meet, cannot be 'bitcoinized' in the sense of turning you loose from usg financial jail << Even when "fiat poor" developing "escape WoT" is obstacle

13:09:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: this doesn't include private 'consulting' gigs, also, which many of these folks take part in << Seriously perverts rents. All around the country bubbles aroud various installations push rent up $BigInt for $ConvenientInt radius

13:12:18 chetty: All around the country bubbles aroud various installations push rent up $BigInt for $ConvenientInt radius// which makes stupid ideas like min wage even more ridiculous

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13:19:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29022 @ 0.00037316 = 10.8298 BTC [+]

13:20:18 punkman: http://innovationpatterns.blogspot.com/2012/04/4-23-2012.html

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13:20:35 BingoBoingo: decimation: fluffypony: what about rhodesia? << meatspace friends blessed me with three rare books as birthday gift "Slave to her nigger", "Temptress in the Slave Quarters", and "A Craving for Black Flesh" these people know me too well

13:22:30 BingoBoingo: 0 fluffypony: that's not been done, right? << Should be done to death by now, unfortunately undeath and zombies

13:29:10 BingoBoingo: Nice boobie trap trigger too, no nipple will not engorge when the capacitor shorts

13:40:14 danielpbarron: height=217183 vs height=189334

13:40:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00036478 = 10.2868 BTC [-]

13:46:06 jurov: got curious about bingo's books and unearthed this: http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/Willie_Lynch_letter_The_Making_of_a_Slave.shtml

13:46:07 assbot: Willie Lynch letter: The Making of a Slave ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLCNtK )

13:48:32 BingoBoingo: jurov: Good find

13:49:32 BingoBoingo: "I HAVE OUTLINED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENCES AMONG THE SLAVES; AND I TAKE THESE DIFFERENCES AND MAKE THEM BIGGER. I USE FEAR, DISTRUST AND ENVY FOR CONTROL PURPOSES." How the British controlled hundreds of millions in india with hundreds of their own

13:57:34 BingoBoingo: Wow, principles discussed recently >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028170

13:57:34 assbot: Logged on 22-02-2015 03:06:06; decimation: nah, the whole 'd1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!!' has everything to do with the general divide & conqueror the kulaks program, and nothing to do with the exercise of actual power

13:58:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00037316 = 3.0413 BTC [+]

14:02:57 BingoBoingo: mike_c: a lot can change in a year. but i don't think there are enough shares in existence to make it worth it anyway. i mean, what, bingo maybe has 50k shares? << Beauty of MPEx is neither you nor the pederasts can truly be sure.

14:07:54 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: there's really no logical reason to buy it unless you got a better way to run it << ALso can't seriously discount the glory of major sharholders split across 3 continents. GAW could prebtebd to sue coinfire, Qntra???

14:12:37 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric. << Scary thing is the longer this goes on and the harder we look for news, the less news words there seem to be to write in my observation. As time goes on I hope pieces like 'Your Disk Controller and You" Take an

14:12:37 BingoBoingo: increasing percent of equity

14:13:45 *: BingoBoingo also offer that the qntra principles could likely drink any other "BTC News" venture under any table.

14:16:56 BingoBoingo: decimation: re: qntra > I guess my thinking is that he is using pretty speculative thinking about the rate of dilution, who knows how management is going to act in the future << So far surprisingly predictable

14:17:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57131 @ 0.00036442 = 20.8197 BTC [-] {2}

14:19:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: and yes, it started with eu 'rohs' mandate for lead-free. << Amazing how much civilization depends on this humble metal

14:19:01 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:21:43 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028418 << Bought iBook G3 at insane discount because display broken. On list of machines I wish I would have kept.

14:21:43 assbot: Logged on 22-02-2015 05:32:09; asciilifeform: 'My wife got through her Master's on a G3 iBook, and we paid to have its motherboard replaced twice for the same graphics issue, a little over a year apart. Having to pay for the first repair sucked, but sometimes those are the odds. Having to pay to repair it a second time due to identical symptoms a couple of months after the initial repair warranty was up was a kick in the teeth, and was a good ind

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14:33:10 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: 6 year old al macbook is slow, but a bit weighed down with junk, still mechanically solid << loving cheapest thinkpad of 2011 still. working on hoarding fans for it and learning enough hardware diddling to do cell replacement in battery apparatus

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14:44:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: for all i know, it rages still somewhere in midwest << Maybe in Ohio? Biggest Illinois news is pro-Austerity governor proposing operation as advertized

14:47:00 BingoBoingo: ;; later tell pete_dushenski How do you know the ferguson drama wasn't to keep Africans from wanting to go to Middle West?

14:47:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:57:19 nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago? << you actually made money at some point ?! <<< i actually make money *now*, just... less 8)

14:58:21 nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/ << shit look at that, "mother earth news" is actually a thing. <<< print issues are a bit lacking these days, but for the $20/yr or w/e...

14:58:29 nubbins`: website + backlogs are literally a trove tho

14:58:45 nubbins`: you can get every back issue to the 70s on dvd for <sale of the month price>

14:59:14 jurov: is it searchable?

15:05:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70300 @ 0.00036718 = 25.8128 BTC [+] {2}

15:13:32 jurov: nubbins`: ^

15:13:44 nubbins`: jurov i'd imagine.

15:13:48 nubbins`: ;;google mother earth dvd

15:13:49 gribble: Shopping - Mother Earth News: http://www.motherearthnews.com/shopping/home.aspx; MOTHER EARTH NEWS Archive 1970-2013: Multiplatform Edition: http://www.motherearthnews.com/shopping/detail.aspx?itemnumber=7210; Mother Earth Tour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Earth_Tour

15:14:02 nubbins`: i probably have coupon codes somewhere if you actually want it

15:14:09 jurov: you know, it may easily be scanned turds

15:14:40 nubbins`: "The Multiplatform Edition contains files for each year of the magazine in a format that can be transferred for viewing and searching on multiple devices. The content can only be viewed and searched year by year. • The Classic Edition provides a browser-based interface for accessing the archive on your desktop computer or laptop. You can do advanced searches and view content from the entire 44-year archive, all at once!"

15:14:52 nubbins`: they really do put a fair amount of effort into what they do

15:16:38 nubbins`: http://www.motherearthnews.com/blogs/blog-landing.aspx

15:16:40 assbot: Mother Earth News Blog Landing page ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYMeOv )

15:16:45 nubbins`: ^ some of the homesteading blogs are rad too

15:16:51 nubbins`: neat seeing how people do things

15:20:58 jurov: looks good, you can look up the coupons someday

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15:45:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 10000 @ 0.000109 = 1.09 BTC [+]

16:02:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75751 @ 0.00037834 = 28.6596 BTC [+]

16:19:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95900 @ 0.00039569 = 37.9467 BTC [+] {2}

16:26:06 asciilifeform: jurov: can ask them for stuff and pay in bitcoin... but quite bezzle rates << same as 'bitpay' but spammier flavour. and same problem. you can't bitcoinize a fiat business relationship not because of the funny green usg money but because it is wotless

16:38:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00039809 = 9.1163 BTC [+]

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18:09:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.00039379 = 17.8387 BTC [+] {2}

18:13:31 asciilifeform: jurov!

18:13:43 asciilifeform: wtf did turdatron do with my message.

18:13:55 asciilifeform: seriously that thing does not work at all.

18:14:37 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

18:14:57 asciilifeform: jurov: it even mailed it back to me, but not showing in the www.

18:14:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform scoopbot's down, deedbot not here, it's like microsoft over here.

18:15:01 indiancandy1: quick question

18:15:04 mircea_popescu: shoot.

18:15:14 indiancandy1: does anyone kno anything bout viral marketing

18:15:40 asciilifeform: indiancandy1: yes. if you have a rare viral sample (e.g. Marburg) various folks will offer to buy.

18:15:43 mircea_popescu: about as much as they know about psychiatry : everyone has his own story.

18:15:56 fluffypony: further to asciilifeform's point, containment is critical

18:16:14 mircea_popescu: ;;later peterl what happened to scoopbot now ?

18:16:15 gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.

18:16:17 fluffypony: most buyers prefer it to be kept as cooled specimens / samples

18:16:19 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl what happened to scoopbot now ?

18:16:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:16:26 fluffypony: not just on some petri dish or something

18:16:31 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 you have voice silly.

18:17:04 mircea_popescu: fluffypony you're a bunch of aholes you know :D

18:17:09 fluffypony: :-P

18:18:26 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/this_is_retarded.txt

18:18:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq2hYa )

18:18:28 asciilifeform: jurov ^

18:18:55 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/df2fcf02fd786b354f2a5578d437180d/tumblr_mxfx4rar6b1srb2awo1_500.gif << acquiring viral samples in the wild.

18:18:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq2jiH )

18:20:39 mircea_popescu: jurov "Behind the scenes, however, some new that peace was definitely not secured."

18:20:49 mircea_popescu: it looks like a pretty good attempt at being the onion

18:23:26 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that bit of russian gets spit out as "tvnz" by google translate << it's not russian ye kook, it's the hammer and sickle sign

18:23:43 asciilifeform: it had a translation!?!

18:23:44 asciilifeform: l0l!

18:23:45 jurov: asciilifeform: dat clearsigned tftp vomit /o\

18:24:00 asciilifeform: wtf's wrong with my chunder

18:24:06 asciilifeform: why won't it eat.

18:24:18 asciilifeform: perfectly good chunkz

18:24:46 jurov: it's kilometer line. we already had this discussion

18:24:54 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DDqgnxPnyI

18:24:55 assbot: Alien goat vomit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq2Z7M )

18:24:58 asciilifeform: ^ obligatory

18:24:59 jurov: that stmp just won't do kilometer lines

18:25:07 jurov: *smtp

18:25:35 jurov: Pogov4> tftp 0x800000 netbsd.ub Using egiga0 device TFTP from server [censored]; our IP address is [censored] Filename 'netbsd.ub'. Load address: 0x800000 Loading: ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# #############################################################

18:25:36 jurov: ################################################################# ################################################################# #################################################################

18:25:41 jurov: ^ this

18:25:46 asciilifeform: could've guessed

18:25:47 asciilifeform: but why?

18:25:52 mircea_popescu: o.O

18:26:02 mircea_popescu: why didn't you guess! and why. because fucking email.

18:26:17 mircea_popescu: stupidest protocol in common use since the bretton woods agreements

18:28:16 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: got this pavlov goin on here. saw your name pete, and subconciously refreshed tab with your blog in it. voila new article. ;) << ha.

18:31:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (why piano keys - story for another day) << im pretty sure those are illegal in your jurisdiction.

18:31:35 asciilifeform: technically grandfathered

18:31:44 asciilifeform: but i won't be surprised to have them exhibited at my hanging

18:32:01 asciilifeform: 'prove you didn't shoot the elephant'

18:32:24 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as grandfathered for parts.

18:32:27 mircea_popescu: only for whole item.

18:33:59 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: and i'm pretty sure africa's heard of ferguson mo << at least the part that can read. although... it seems improbable that if they did we don't see the output.

18:34:14 mircea_popescu: "i represent the family of a rich ferguson, mo merchant who has died in the recent troubles..."

18:35:52 mircea_popescu: http://www.getmagicnow.com/magic.jpg << lol that shit looks kinda like my shit. of course, i would suspect they'd choke if i put my lists through them, as i don't order pizza.

18:35:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq4cvO )

18:38:05 mircea_popescu: chetty: [...] which makes stupid ideas like min wage even more ridiculous << there's simply no way to avoid it. it IS a stupid idea, of course, but in an inflation driven economy everyone just keeps trying to climb on everyone else.

18:38:23 mircea_popescu: inflation economy is basically the cheapest most reliable implementation of "crabs in the pot" to human society.

18:38:35 mircea_popescu: nothing ever gets done anymore because everyone's energy is spent dragging everyone else down.

18:39:39 mircea_popescu: and if in a scored sport, say baseball or soccer, they started messing with the scoreboard, the game'd stop right then and all the players etc would just move to working teh board.

18:39:50 mircea_popescu: "come watch a bunch of folks sit at desks on a green field, make numbers go up."

18:40:24 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: meatspace friends blessed me with three rare books as birthday gift "Slave to her nigger", "Temptress in the Slave Quarters", and "A Craving for Black Flesh" these people know me too well << wtf, these are books or more like photo albums ?

18:43:58 mircea_popescu: http://utc.iath.virginia.edu/abolitn/abaufda8t.html << if anyone's curious to see 1845 pious fraud, here's the "great philosopher" frederick douglass making shit up.

18:43:59 assbot: Douglass' Narrative ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq54Aw )

18:44:48 mircea_popescu: he sounds exactly like a better read joseph smith. substantially the same inclination to pass counterfactuality for fact "because who's to say it didn't happen" and "it damned well serves the purpose of making my understanding of the world more palatable ot others".

18:45:13 mircea_popescu: kinda lends a lot of substance to a notion that usians are actually broken in the head structurally, rather than accidentally. at least the usians of the time.

18:46:44 ben_vulpes: douglass was a fraud?

18:47:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only were the colonies (and then usa) the world's premier nuthouse for sectarian nutters, but the era of 'we have empty space now' promoted the 'tell'em tall tales and who's to say it didn't happen out there in the woods' mentality

18:47:21 mircea_popescu: i never read anything important he wrote. he did a lot of abolitionist propaganda, for which his party attached titles to him.

18:47:36 mircea_popescu: this makes him no more a philosopher than the soviets.

18:47:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently. it's kind-of strange that this shared psychosis was never investigated.

18:48:21 mircea_popescu: then people jump at the fundamentally antiscientific restructuring of science the americans did (and many places copied) after 1950 as a sort of noivel phenomena

18:48:45 mircea_popescu: fucking bs, there's nothing novel about it, they just did to science what they had been doing all through 1800s. which apparently is, for unclear reasons, all the ycan intellectually do ?!

18:49:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: marc twain did a pretty good job investigating

18:50:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and you obviously notice that after the "god spoke to me through stones in hat" west of the early 1800 and the "god spoke to me re black people" of the mid 1800s, they moved on to "god spoke to me re rhodesia" almost seamlessly. and before that it was...

18:50:19 asciilifeform: even mr mold got this much

18:50:22 mircea_popescu: basically, THIS if anything is the red thread of a putative "american nation". religious obscurantism divorced from religion per se.

18:50:39 asciilifeform: his whole thesis was approximately this sentence

18:50:46 asciilifeform: 'christianity without the chris'

18:51:04 mircea_popescu: it may well hold some value.

18:51:13 mircea_popescu: well, also notably without the virgin whore.

18:51:30 mircea_popescu: the only other people i know about this stupid and stupid in this manner are the sicilians, and they are fucking fixated on the holy cunt.

18:52:11 asciilifeform: iirc he compared it to certain genetically engineered bacteria that end up shedding the payload - 'why should i piss out $protein when i can be making more copies of self faster'

18:52:15 mircea_popescu: (sicilians more in the "kingdom of two sicilies" than in the island of ~ sense)

18:52:36 mircea_popescu: no cause they do have a payload.

18:52:49 mircea_popescu: the payload is, amusdingly enough, a very primitive answer to the same problem.

18:53:00 asciilifeform: that is, evolutionary pressure to jettison whatever payload is no longer serving the ultimate purpose

18:53:01 mircea_popescu: they STILL deal with their own fear of death, just, not iun the very refined jewish manner.

18:53:09 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re "piece of shit" neat stuff

18:53:17 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: tried it ?

18:53:30 ben_vulpes: nope.

18:53:35 ben_vulpes: no pogo.

18:53:49 asciilifeform: once have pogo: if you use the tftp recipe, you no longer need to wear out your nand to run these

18:53:52 ben_vulpes: have not the shiva arms

18:54:23 asciilifeform: ^ pun intended ?

18:54:42 asciilifeform: (the original machine in the series was marketed as 'sheeva plug.' and ran on same 'arm' chip by 'marvell'...)

18:55:09 mircea_popescu: much more brusquely, as if a cowboy in dirty footwraps at a bar somewhere decided to cut it short and end with a joke.

18:55:20 ben_vulpes: somewhere deep in the stack, something insisted on saying it. same way the rest of my puns happen.

18:55:38 mircea_popescu: your punhole's leakin'.

18:55:50 ben_vulpes: i can't reason about my bioware

18:56:06 *: asciilifeform wonders how many u.s. folk, other than historical re-enactors, know what footwraps are

18:56:25 mircea_popescu: yes well real cowboys don't wear fucking socks.

18:56:58 asciilifeform: socks are finicky high-tech

18:57:03 mircea_popescu: aye.

18:57:08 mircea_popescu: also don't wash well.

18:57:24 asciilifeform: esp. not if 'wash' means 'fording a river'

18:57:29 mircea_popescu: quite.

18:57:48 asciilifeform: phun phact: degenerating ru army recently moved to socks!

18:57:55 asciilifeform: yes, and with american-style boots.

18:57:59 mircea_popescu: o did they ?

18:58:04 asciilifeform: (can't use trad ru boots with socks)

18:58:21 *: mircea_popescu pictures legion of corporals going "omfg end of fucking world igmme a drink"

18:58:27 asciilifeform: sure did.

18:58:30 asciilifeform: or so i'm told

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19:00:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.aif.ru/dontknows/eternal/1084962 << turns out it was proclaimed, but not quite implemented

19:00:12 assbot: Правда ли, что в российской армии отменили портянки? | Вечные вопросы | Вопрос-Ответ | Аргументы и Факты ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq6ATi )

19:00:16 mircea_popescu: ah

19:01:03 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKZbHMhP9Q4 << how-to for interested folks

19:01:04 assbot: Портянки: мастер-класс от курских военных - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq6FGt )

19:01:32 asciilifeform: good enough for the romans, etc

19:01:47 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

19:04:32 mircea_popescu: "Ancient Rome would envy us if my program is implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James River, named for our illustrious King, whose version of the Bible we cherish"

19:04:36 mircea_popescu: what fucking bs is this lmao.

19:04:57 mircea_popescu: no, and i do mean NO english speaker of 1712 would have come up with that string.

19:06:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38375 @ 0.0003746 = 14.3753 BTC [+]

19:09:16 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/71ac18eb4da171bef52b398f3612cefa/tumblr_nhgp6yXCdi1rdc5oto1_250.gif pop.

19:09:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq7tLs )

19:10:35 ben_vulpes: o

19:10:49 ben_vulpes: http://docs.rubygems.org/read/chapter/3 << fucking linkrot

19:10:51 assbot: Page not found | RubyGems.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq7DCD )

19:11:14 ben_vulpes: i'm beginning to think that each and every ruby developer's computer is configured to work on exactly one project, and they have no idea how they made it work in the first place.

19:11:26 mircea_popescu: this is quite exact.

19:11:43 mircea_popescu: !b 4

19:11:43 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HVWTK3.txt )

19:11:53 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol!

19:11:55 ben_vulpes: this leads to such inane babble like "oh rbenv and rvm are neither any better nor any worse than each other, they do different things differently"

19:12:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15758 @ 0.00037113 = 5.8483 BTC [-]

19:12:20 ben_vulpes: a) whenever i hear "neither better nor worse" i actually parse "i cannot evaluate things and exist in a perpetual fog of 'oh iono'"

19:12:45 ben_vulpes: b) EVERYONE HACKING ON RUBY IS FAKING COMPETENCE

19:13:01 ben_vulpes: holeeeeeee shit i'm angry.

19:13:04 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "computers are not about hurtful things like math but more like about feelings and so the fact that there exist unevaluable statements does not worry me, but on the contrary"

19:13:33 ben_vulpes: AWGIBELRUN

19:13:36 ben_vulpes: and the wayback machine is down

19:13:39 ben_vulpes: obab hates me.

19:14:03 mircea_popescu: lol

19:14:15 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244650451628407@naggum.no.html << obligatory naggum

19:14:16 assbot: Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq80x5 )

19:14:22 mircea_popescu: the wayback machine thing reminds me of one of the lulziest things ever drug up in my nets :

19:15:11 mircea_popescu: "The problem is the people cannot fit the behaviour into any customary category. It does not look like usual editor's behaviour, does not look as usual spammer's behaviour, etc. They do not know what expect from it. They still cannot stop the bot fixing the dead links. They have angst.

19:15:11 mircea_popescu: And as it is something unusual, the usual verbs cannot be applied to it. Can the ants from the outer space be "forgiven"? No. They can be only wiped out. It is an existential issue, not a technical one. That's why your brilliant arguments won't work"

19:15:14 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.is_RFC

19:15:17 assbot: Wikipedia:Archive.is RFC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq867M )

19:16:31 mircea_popescu: tl;dr : someone came in and fixed linkrot for wikipedia without bothering to ask the "anyone can edit" powers whether they aprove.

19:16:35 mircea_popescu: whole thing got burned down.

19:17:01 mircea_popescu: probably best argument ever in that entirely nonsensical "anyone can edit" line of conmanship.

19:17:07 punkman: archive.is (now archive.today) is ran by single russian dude using his own money

19:17:11 mircea_popescu: so ?

19:17:25 punkman: just mentioning

19:17:40 mircea_popescu: aha. anyway, the way back machine being still down...

19:18:12 mircea_popescu: fucking shit how did this never occur to me before http://38.media.tumblr.com/f7f006d83ac11ada3ce11c33a5af21bf/tumblr_nhd5gurIzB1rdc5oto1_500.gif

19:18:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq8rrd )

19:18:18 mircea_popescu: this is the internet! everyone learns from it!

19:20:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that reminds me: i've long imagined that 'in the dark future where there is only war (tm)' zip ties will be used for expedient field hangings.

19:20:39 asciilifeform: sorta how current american cops use them as handcuffs

19:21:32 asciilifeform: cheaper than bullet, and ever more effete gestapo peopled by folks afraid of blood - perfect match

19:21:47 mircea_popescu: yep.

19:21:59 asciilifeform: zzzip - hrrrrk - next

19:22:11 mircea_popescu: wrists first.

19:22:16 asciilifeform: sure

19:22:18 asciilifeform: complete 3-piece kit

19:22:21 asciilifeform: in envelope

19:22:24 mircea_popescu: just wrists behind back

19:22:30 mircea_popescu: otherwise most men can actually break the shit off.

19:22:46 decimation: basically, THIS if anything is the red thread of a putative "american nation". religious obscurantism divorced from religion per se. << Christians who had other ideas quickly 'got with program' http://sothl.com/2011/03/06/the-americanization-of-the-lutheran-church-missouri-synod/ < "Even so, despite the initial Americanization that had already taken place, further inroads were held at bay as German immigration kept increasing into the

19:22:48 assbot: The Americanization of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod — Shepherd of the Hills ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq8SBQ )

19:22:48 decimation: 1880s and the LCMS took measures to keep its German heritage, such as parochial schools in the German language. Such was broadly the case until World War I, which was the most-decisive occurrence Americanizing the LCMS. It was then we could no longer deny that we were Americans, since being German in America was then disdained. It was then that the American flag began to adorn God’s house, His Church, intermingling Church and

19:22:49 decimation: State. It was then we self-consciously began to relate ourselves to American Protestantism, and so patterned our public worship and viewed ourselves on that basis. "

19:22:50 asciilifeform: feet optional (why did 'dancing the hempen jig' go out of fashion ?)

19:23:20 chetty: <mircea_popescu> otherwise most men can actually break the shit off.// not usains

19:23:22 ben_vulpes: i'm fucking chowning /Library/Ruby to my user

19:23:28 ben_vulpes: bleeeeee

19:23:43 ben_vulpes: ran into a smart cookie of a babe last night

19:23:52 punkman: ben_vulpes: is that why rubyists love docker?

19:23:55 asciilifeform: chetty: complicated. at [censored] we got a shipment of zip ties in recently, and they break with one hand.

19:24:01 asciilifeform: progressively more chinese crud

19:24:12 ben_vulpes: when i explained to her why software as a career might be worse than working in a woodshop with limb loss risks etc, given the decades of shit and bad decisions i have to deal with on a daily basis

19:24:28 ben_vulpes: she said "ah like city planning in europe. this road goes off at 12 degrees because fuck you?"

19:24:31 ben_vulpes: precisely, dear.

19:24:43 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol didja bring her here for us to scare her off ?

19:25:04 ben_vulpes: nah i keep the girls away from you terrists.

19:25:06 punkman: ben_vulpes: road goes off at 12 degrees because not city plan at all

19:25:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they probably replaced the polymer.

19:25:35 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes punkman road goes off at 12 degrees because FUCK YOU YOU WORK FOR US so you adapt to us. not the other way around. god dang it.

19:25:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnier still. the polymer's fine (pulled it with pliers and it stood)

19:25:50 mircea_popescu: this is like the complaint of hairdressers about unspherical heads.

19:26:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ew.

19:26:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but they botched the molding - the ratchet doesn't hold. it's almost as if someone made the injection mold dies from... an n-th generation zip tie

19:26:11 ben_vulpes: punkman: i could not tell you why rubyists like anything.

19:26:41 asciilifeform: we were tying low-voltage cabling, not necks, so nobody gave a fuck

19:28:03 mircea_popescu: "Properly speaking, there is no such thing as revenge. Revenge is an act which you want to commit when you are powerless and because you are powerless: as soon as the sense of impotence is removed, the desire evaporates also."

19:28:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00037113 = 7.1999 BTC [-]

19:28:34 mircea_popescu: check it out! jesus! orwell understands this much, but does not make the step to grasp that socialism is somethin you want when you're stupid, because you're stupid, and as your brain starts working you stop wanting it./

19:28:38 mircea_popescu: how in the world.

19:28:44 mircea_popescu: o wait. because stupid. okay.

19:29:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember your article on how 'oceans of pussy' is something boy only wants when he's 14 and living in a cellar ?

19:29:30 mircea_popescu: i do, having written it.

19:29:47 asciilifeform: just like 'drinking an ocean' is something we only 'want' when thirsty

19:29:47 asciilifeform: etc

19:29:57 mircea_popescu: "i could eat a horse". "here you go"

19:30:00 asciilifeform: it isn't stupid as such

19:30:03 asciilifeform: just hungry

19:30:16 jurov: nothing sturdy enough for hangings available.. truly a demise of civilization

19:30:40 mircea_popescu: jurov slash reign of peace.

19:30:55 asciilifeform: jurov: the zip tie and the effete executioner of the future are a match made in heaven. no need to watch the victim struggle, dance. zip - next.

19:31:30 asciilifeform: there was something like this, iirc, depicted in the film 'clouds atlas'

19:31:32 mircea_popescu: where is that proposed vat

19:32:22 asciilifeform: where they kill the meat girl

19:32:24 ben_vulpes: re: field hangings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHvJ5WTF3qM

19:32:25 assbot: The counselor scene Brad Pitt killed - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq9CH0 )

19:32:42 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/ghilotina-moderna/

19:32:43 assbot: Ghilotina moderna pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq9GH0 )

19:32:47 jurov: btw, i doubt they can get more effete than today

19:32:50 mircea_popescu: if someone feels like reading romanian horrors.

19:33:45 ben_vulpes: "post install message from httparty:"

19:33:49 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what was that?

19:33:52 ben_vulpes: "when you httparty, you party hard"

19:33:54 ben_vulpes: wat

19:34:54 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ratcheting wire decapitator, slung around target's neck

19:35:01 asciilifeform: well yes

19:35:05 asciilifeform: but from where is the scene

19:35:19 asciilifeform: (the scheme itself dates to ancient china, as is well known)

19:36:02 punkman: asciilifeform: stupid movie called "The Counselor"

19:37:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Parallel_20Guillotine and of course http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Serial_20Guillotine#1123019517

19:37:05 assbot: Halfbakery: Parallel Guillotine ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqa5ZQ )

19:37:06 assbot: Halfbakery: Serial Guillotine ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqa5ZS )

19:37:13 asciilifeform: as for the hydraulic variant, who hasn't considered that.

19:38:48 mircea_popescu: lol

19:38:53 punkman: I was wondering if anyone ever built multi-seat guillotine few days ago

19:39:18 asciilifeform: http://www.morningsidecenter.org/sites/default/files/pictures/guillotine.png

19:39:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqamMs )

19:39:23 mircea_popescu: you could have a replica of the piss fountain

19:39:27 mircea_popescu: except heads and blood fountain

19:41:15 ben_vulpes: punkman: yeah i guess now i try to docker this thing

19:41:56 asciilifeform: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538178/Found-guillotine-used-kill-Hitlers-enemies-But-device-executed-heroine-21-show.html << supposedly original nazi chopper found

19:41:58 assbot: Found, guillotine used to kill Hitler's enemies: But will device that executed heroine, 21, go on show? | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqayLF )

19:42:37 asciilifeform: i don't see any provisions for the infamous 'chin trigger' though

19:42:41 asciilifeform: were the legends a lie?!

19:43:15 ben_vulpes: imho wrong: http://phusion.github.io/baseimage-docker/

19:43:16 assbot: Baseimage-docker: A minimal Ubuntu base image modified for Docker-friendliness ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqaFXB )

19:46:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028814 << that's a point huh.

19:46:56 assbot: Logged on 22-02-2015 14:12:37; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric. << Scary thing is the longer this goes on and the harder we look for news, the less news words there seem to be to write in my observation. As time goes on I hope pieces like 'Your Disk

19:47:31 mircea_popescu: it would seem that a correctly run news outlet turns more into rotten.com's library than the gawker empire of shit.

19:48:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028816 << any other news site period. it's the goal here : make "fiat" news impossible.

19:48:28 assbot: Logged on 22-02-2015 14:13:45; *: BingoBoingo also offer that the qntra principles could likely drink any other "BTC News" venture under any table.

19:51:32 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtBT4hBFL40

19:51:33 assbot: Das Fallbeil - Breif history and demonstration of the german guillotine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqbvDK )

19:58:41 mircea_popescu: "Articulate" has a certain meaning, look in the dictionary; it is fairly consistent throughout all settings except one: when it is used by a white guy to describe a black guy. In that case, the word suddenly means something completely different than it ordinarily does: it means "not hung up about race." Here's the point: the black guy may actually be articulate, or not be articulate-- who knows? But white people kno

19:58:42 mircea_popescu: w exactly what it means in that context.

19:58:59 mircea_popescu: uh... has this usage gone out of fashion in the past five years ? i'm completely unfamiliar with it.

20:00:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0003746 = 3.746 BTC [+]

20:00:45 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, articulate does not mean a vague "able to express ideas clearly and effectively in speech or writing" a la webster. what it means is, "all words used according to their definition, so that the receptor does not have to make ANY adjustments to the text to turn it into 'probable' meaning".

20:01:03 mircea_popescu: generally, being articulate is the opposite of thinking there's such a thing as synonymy

20:01:04 asciilifeform: with tftp can go from changed netbsd kernel option, rebuild, run, in less than five seconds

20:01:17 asciilifeform: damn, feel like a moron for not having done this on first day

20:01:29 *: mircea_popescu gives asciilifeform pointed hat.

20:01:36 *: asciilifeform wears

20:02:15 decimation: asciilifeform: does u-boot support tftp?

20:02:21 asciilifeform: decimation: mine does

20:02:29 asciilifeform: can't recall re: the crufty one it ships with

20:02:31 asciilifeform: iirc also yes

20:02:42 decimation: ah yes, that's sop in datacenters with pxe

20:03:07 asciilifeform: it also supports pxe-style bootp but that isn't needed here

20:11:36 danielpbarron: fw_setenv << how to use this?

20:18:21 mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9089549 << luls. 'idk nething about security but i wanna create a security startup' and "I think that is an awesome idea. I am currently a Business student with a computer science minor so I consider myself very technical." (real quote)

20:18:22 assbot: Ask HN: What is missing in the IT security world? | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqesnK )

20:20:52 mircea_popescu: mats better than reddit.

20:21:30 mats: i wonder sometimes.

20:23:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53842 @ 0.00037109 = 19.9802 BTC [-] {2}

20:27:50 mats: https://software.intel.com/sites/landingpage/IntrinsicsGuide/ this is cool.

20:27:52 assbot: Intel Intrinsics Guide ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZX2Me )

20:28:19 decimation: mats: if you are on an intel cpu, that's the book to use to optimize your warez

20:32:06 asciilifeform: mats: for folks with crippled compilers ?

20:32:16 asciilifeform: gcc supports traditional inline asm

20:32:22 mats: why you gotta rain on my parade.

20:34:21 asciilifeform: val[63:0] := HW_RND_GEN.data << lol

20:34:34 asciilifeform: wake me up when they say what HW_RND_GEN is.

20:34:50 asciilifeform: in some magically externally verifiable way

20:39:24 decimation: 'icc' actually works pretty well

20:39:41 decimation: if you are gonna be on the intel wagon, might as well use their tools

20:39:49 asciilifeform: mmm no.

20:39:56 asciilifeform: a closed-source compiler is even more of a circus-grade laugh than closed os

20:40:08 asciilifeform: belongs in the side show

20:40:13 asciilifeform: and nowhere else.

20:40:38 decimation: I get your point, but what if you are already on a closed-source microarchitecture?

20:41:09 asciilifeform: sorta like the argument that if there is already the usg-mandated maximum of xxx ppm of turd in your dinner, might as well go full-blown coprophagiac

20:41:52 mats: sure.

20:41:59 decimation: but asciilifeform, if you sell out to intel, your warez can go %x faster!

20:42:46 asciilifeform: if you actually need the x% gains from intel's fortran, or whatnot, you really ought to be doing hand asm optimizations of the bottleneck routines

20:42:53 asciilifeform: and spend lots of quality time with your profiler

20:43:15 mats: http://www.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/1ph882/a_donglebased_nofootprint_session_is_this_in_any/cd2exm3 << reddit's not so bad sometimes.

20:43:16 assbot: Gorlob comments on A dongle-based "no-footprint" session. Is this in any way valuable or useful? ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqh7hd )

20:43:26 decimation: my understanding is that intel actually hires skilled folks from ru to hand-optimize their libraries

20:43:53 mircea_popescu: "In 1994, there were 20,000 visits for pediatric (under age 19) bipolar disorder. In 2003, the number was... 800,000. The diagnosis, therefore, was 25/100,000 in 1994, and now it's 1000/100,000. In other words, 1% of the population. "

20:43:56 asciilifeform: the kind of optimization i'm speaking of is not libraryizable

20:44:09 asciilifeform: but maximally unique to a particular problem

20:44:11 decimation: aye, understood

20:44:11 mircea_popescu: check it out, bipolar is a virus inf% more effective than ebola, nobody noticed.

20:45:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as he later explains (and ask any depressive patient from usa) it was so that pharma vendors could push patented antiepileptics (and even antipsychotics) to depressives

20:45:41 mircea_popescu: sure, but the advantage of "Science" and "facts" is that, you can build on their solid footing anything you wish.

20:45:57 mircea_popescu: the us MD crackpots are held to explain why the CDC is not going crazy over the bipolar virus yet.

20:46:11 mircea_popescu: such an increase can ONLY be viral. not even a bacteria can do that.

20:46:23 asciilifeform: we all know which 'virus'.

20:46:28 asciilifeform: it isn't any kind of secret from anyone.

20:46:36 mircea_popescu: we are not the subject. let THEM explain.

20:46:40 decimation: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=184107 "Conclusion This meta-analysis yielded no evidence that the serotonin transporter genotype alone or in interaction with stressful life events is associated with an elevated risk of depression in men alone, women alone, or in both sexes combined."

20:46:44 assbot: JAMA Network | JAMA | Interaction Between the Serotonin Transporter Gene (5-HTTLPR), Stressful Life Events, and Risk of Depression:  A Meta-analysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1D01pXQ )

20:47:04 asciilifeform: 'their' job is not to explain anything, but to roll in the hookers and blow while plebes poison themselves

20:47:16 asciilifeform: (expensively!)

20:47:17 mircea_popescu: their job is whatever the fuck i say it is.

20:47:23 mircea_popescu: let's not get over ourselves here.

20:47:53 asciilifeform: whatever the fuck i say it is >> can that be wearing-zip-tie? though hydraulic chopper has its attractions

20:48:13 asciilifeform: because their current job - meh

20:48:30 mircea_popescu: first they gotta fail. then internalise it. then despair.

20:48:33 mircea_popescu: only THEN.

20:48:55 asciilifeform: not already failed ?

20:49:00 mircea_popescu: it's bad policy to kill people before they're completely squeezed of any possible anguish they could provide for themsleves.

20:49:09 mircea_popescu: yes we're in between 1 and 2, working on 2 atm.

20:49:11 decimation: ^above paper implies that treating depression by attempting to inhibit serotonin is useless

20:50:24 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#722630

20:50:24 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2014 00:36:44; asciilifeform: interestingly, sometimes the pharma folks fail: they spent some years trying to cough up a dopamine reuptake inhibitor that doesn't reduce to a synthetic cocaine, and, afaik, gave up

20:50:49 decimation: asciilifeform: maybe they read #b-a for research 'ideas'

20:50:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723978

20:50:50 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2014 22:56:07; asciilifeform: you can get 'real' dopamine reuptake inhibitors - but in dark alley, not pharmacy.

20:51:29 asciilifeform: the entire american 'antidepressant' tech is a bizarre tour of the protestant mental pathology of 'mustn't have too much fun'

20:51:58 decimation: and yet, tomorrow millions of us inhabitants will be dispensed their placebos

20:52:00 asciilifeform: the pyre on which these defectives have been burning more or less whole planet for 200 yrs

20:52:01 danielpbarron: isn't caffeine such a thing?

20:52:43 asciilifeform: the engineering spec, not written anywhere, is 'drug must make patient less apt to complain but oughtn't be detectably pleasurable'

20:53:12 asciilifeform: hence the preference for handing out sedatives and drugs with sedative side effect profile

20:53:13 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nah, caffeine works as a general stimulant

20:53:41 decimation: if caffeine were unknown and sudden discovered yesterday, it would be banned by the fda

20:53:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much the best way to indict anything in the anglotard space is 'but it's enjoyable"

20:53:59 *: danielpbarron sips his tea

20:54:06 asciilifeform: decimation: much as cathenone (similar naturally occurring item) was

20:56:35 decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-09-11/-magic-mushrooms-help-smokers-kick-habit-in-small-study

20:56:37 assbot: Magic Mushrooms Help Smokers Kick Habit in Small Study - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1D03tih )

20:56:55 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/prz-pk-1992.htm

20:56:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D03xig )

20:57:07 asciilifeform: ^ revoked in '10, interestingly

20:59:36 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/jane-doe-3-v-dershowitz.pdf << entirely unrelated mega-lol

20:59:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^^^ can you comment on this drama ?

21:01:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10758 @ 0.00037076 = 3.9886 BTC [-]

21:02:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114842 @ 0.0003776 = 43.3643 BTC [+] {2}

21:04:35 asciilifeform: http://www.wsj.com/articles/alan-m-dershowitz-a-nightmare-of-false-accusation-that-could-happen-to-you-1421280860 << other side of the story

21:04:37 assbot: Alan M. Dershowitz: A Nightmare of False Accusation That Could Happen to You - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1D058Ve )

21:04:48 ben_vulpes: https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/yunojuno/dev/dockerfile/

21:04:49 assbot: yunojuno/dev Repository | Docker Hub Registry - Repositories of Docker Images ... ( http://bit.ly/1D059Zj )

21:05:07 ben_vulpes: "the approved method of installing rvm simply causes too many issues"

21:05:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what's that do ?

21:07:47 asciilifeform: cathenone << there is a catha edulis in the u.s. national botanical garden. i saw it many times with own eyes. but, iirc, they don't have a cannabis sativa or any other 'forbidden fruit'

21:08:55 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you're familiar with the "hot" "trend" of "containerization" in the linux space?

21:09:03 asciilifeform: vm?

21:09:22 ben_vulpes: i honestly don't know what the technical difference between VMs and containerization is.

21:09:28 ben_vulpes: feels like a poor man's jail.

21:10:04 ben_vulpes: anyways, best as I can tell, the thing forgoes the entire ruby "version management" stack and installs some version of ruby.

21:10:13 asciilifeform: does the item running inside think it is on a genuine machine of its own ?

21:10:24 ben_vulpes: more or less, yes.

21:10:37 ben_vulpes: there are various and sundry privilege escalations and container escapes available, however.

21:11:08 asciilifeform: quite a few escapes for various vm have been found

21:11:14 asciilifeform: and this is only those that have been found.

21:11:31 asciilifeform: (interested folks - straight to the literature)

21:14:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all the drama of divource court, now for internet consumption.

21:14:38 mircea_popescu: because hey, running out of cheap material.

21:15:00 asciilifeform: interesting only for the jurist/procedural quirks featured

21:17:17 mircea_popescu: only funny thing to me is that the anal children (they self identify as "radical" something or the other) actually have the unmitigated audacity to challenge the old ny jew.

21:17:21 decimation: asciilifeform: every time I went into the botanical garden I got terrible allergies

21:17:47 asciilifeform: decimation: guaranteed!

21:18:05 mircea_popescu: at least it's rather clear how exactly they plan to organise the exchange of power.

21:18:15 mircea_popescu: tbh gorbachev & co set had better strat, but anyway

21:18:21 asciilifeform: wai wat

21:18:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you think this is other than politburo change of guard ?

21:18:54 asciilifeform: ah then ancient sop

21:18:56 asciilifeform: clinton, etc

21:19:03 asciilifeform: sn0re.

21:19:48 asciilifeform: new guard - same as old

21:20:02 asciilifeform: if i understand correctly.

21:20:16 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it's all a gulag for your mind.

21:20:18 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-raised-nearly-2-billion-for-foundation-since-2001/2015/02/18/b8425d88-a7cd-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html

21:20:19 assbot: Clintons’ foundation has raised nearly $2 billion — and some key questions - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1D08Del )

21:20:37 decimation: ^old guard has a strategy too

21:21:26 mircea_popescu: decimation unless they come out with "poor young girls are for the fucking', it does NOT have a strategy.

21:21:53 mircea_popescu: the only correct strategy in this situation is what the chinese did : round all the opposition up, shave their heads, parade them naked with legends.

21:22:02 decimation: what about 'we can raise $x bil from old men in the UAE

21:22:11 mircea_popescu: money is worthless without power.

21:23:49 mircea_popescu: this is why we regularly succeed where cardboard fiat "billionaires" fail.

21:24:31 asciilifeform: 'fail' seems to come with peculiarly much physical security and ample hookers&blow supply in that case

21:24:51 mircea_popescu: you have seen this ?

21:25:10 mircea_popescu: apparently there were no hookers "anywhere in sight" and the blow was from a sandblaster.

21:25:24 asciilifeform: can't say that saw alive. but i also haven't seen them sitting in rags covering their gangrenous limbs in the street, begging for coin

21:25:26 mircea_popescu: i have declaration at the ready : "In a statement accompanying the court filing, Mr. Dershowitz said the encounters could not have occurred for several reasons, including the one time he had visited Mr. Epstein?s house in New Mexico. The house was still under construction, and Mr. Dershowitz said he had stayed for about an hour. He was accompanied, he said, by his wife and daughter and another couple."

21:25:44 asciilifeform: instead i see them in the washington volkischer beobachter

21:25:51 mircea_popescu: with coke ?

21:26:25 asciilifeform: i can't see their cocks either

21:26:29 asciilifeform: but know they're in the pants

21:26:38 asciilifeform: don't need to see it, no ?

21:27:03 mircea_popescu: depends. if you don't discuss anything related to cocks, it doesn't matter. you don't know anything, but you also don't care.

21:27:12 mircea_popescu: would you hire them for your gay porn studio, sight unseen ?

21:27:17 mircea_popescu: "o but i knew cocks in pants" ?

21:27:48 asciilifeform: in press devoted to the subject, the lives of the kleptocrats can be seen - islands, castles, idiot 'foundations', etc

21:28:00 asciilifeform: (must confess i'm not up to date on this literature)

21:28:31 asciilifeform: ask a female usian

21:28:55 mircea_popescu: i think your summaries may have deceived you.

21:29:01 asciilifeform: not out of the question

21:31:12 decimation: mircea_popescu: are you asserting that these islands and castles don't exist? or that they are ultimately worthless baubles?

21:31:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00037784 = 5.8187 BTC [+]

21:34:41 mircea_popescu: i am asserting that they're for actually powerful men (such as, russian billionaires) not for american aparatards.

21:35:08 mircea_popescu: when someone as high up as a four star general dares do as much as get a meaningless title for an old ugly she-horse, he gets beheaded for it.

21:35:24 mircea_popescu: what hookers ? what blow ?

21:35:49 asciilifeform: beheaded the day he did it? week later? or when superior ordered it for unrelated reason.

21:36:03 mircea_popescu: you think there exists a meta-usg that enjoys life like there exists a meta-nsa that enjoys thinking ?

21:36:08 asciilifeform: aha

21:36:14 mircea_popescu: it's a bureaucracy, not a fucking world. they don't have most things.

21:36:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that woman doesn't look like what the average brothel goer would consider.

21:36:41 asciilifeform: but what do the folks with unaccountable $maxint in bank, whose names never appear in the beobachter, do with their time ?

21:36:52 asciilifeform: pull own cock ?

21:36:54 decimation: heh. well, the world of official usg is quite different from the world of finance for which usg provides a krysha

21:36:55 mircea_popescu: he only went with her for EXACTLY the same problem you were describing for yourself earlier,

21:36:56 asciilifeform: and if so - why ?

21:37:01 mircea_popescu: but somehow magically are unaware it's not limited to you.

21:37:18 mircea_popescu: where the fuck is he going to find the wot that'll get him the 19 yo hussies that love being fucked in public ?

21:37:34 asciilifeform: it only exists for me because all i can personally bankroll is a plane ticket but not any of what comes after

21:37:36 asciilifeform: but - them ?

21:37:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25630 @ 0.00036989 = 9.4803 BTC [-]

21:37:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, they pull on their own cock. what do you do with your own time ? blow much ?

21:38:14 asciilifeform: correct if i'm thick, but $maxint will buy a whore or two ?

21:38:20 asciilifeform: of whatever octane grade

21:38:38 asciilifeform: without having to bid

21:38:44 asciilifeform: as in, let it be known that you have $maxint

21:38:49 mircea_popescu: no, it will not.

21:38:57 mircea_popescu: 20 bucks buys a whore or two. depends for whom.

21:39:06 asciilifeform: they aren't all old men

21:39:15 mircea_popescu: really.

21:39:27 asciilifeform: (do whores now forgo old men? who even goes to whores now?)

21:39:37 decimation: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-prostitute-detail_n_91116.html

21:39:40 assbot: Spitzer Prostitute Details: $80,000 Spent, Mood Music, Multiple Prostitutes, Up To A Decade Of Use And An Ever-Present Security Detail ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0cZCf )

21:40:08 asciilifeform: there we go.

21:40:12 asciilifeform: herr spitzer's whore.

21:40:29 decimation: he paid a couple $k per night apparently

21:40:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175070 @ 0.00035994 = 63.0147 BTC [-] {4}

21:40:54 mircea_popescu: pics ?

21:41:00 mircea_popescu: you know how this goes, right ?

21:41:24 mircea_popescu: or what, we suddenly have memory hole effect, we forgot about all the lies in filings, starting with the "confiscated btc" that never existed ?

21:41:26 asciilifeform: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/photos-eliot-spitzers-hooker

21:41:27 assbot: Photos Of Eliot Spitzer's Hooker | The Smoking Gun ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0dyMl )

21:41:28 asciilifeform: ^ supposed

21:42:02 *: asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't see him fuck

21:42:05 decimation: lol she had a myspace page

21:42:08 mircea_popescu: notbad.jpg

21:42:49 asciilifeform: spitzer et al probably account for lion's share of my mental picture of usg elite

21:43:17 thestringpuller: "Meet 'Kristen,' the 22-year-old woman who brought down the governor" << LOL so dramatic

21:43:30 asciilifeform: and yes, everyone knows that below each spitzer there are 100,000 faceless shmucks who go home to cry in beer

21:43:53 asciilifeform: and fuck dolls

21:44:21 thestringpuller: ^- is this america now?!?

21:44:46 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Alexandra_Dupr%C3%A9 < now she works for google (youtube)

21:44:48 assbot: Ashley Alexandra Dupré - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0efoK )

21:44:49 asciilifeform: from the other side of the pond, it is known with some certainty that brezhnev had not only all of the racing cars he could wish for, but gurlz whenever he could still get it up

21:45:37 jurov: http://www.prezidentpress.ru/news/2762-sto-let-nazad-rossiya-i-kitay-sozdali-frs-ssha.html ... i stumble on such nutritional stuff recently

21:45:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0en7L )

21:45:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not the important point.

21:45:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37560 @ 0.00037784 = 14.1917 BTC [+]

21:45:59 mircea_popescu: the important point is that should anyone have had as much as anything at all to say about it, he'd be cutting ice in front of the lenin icebreaker

21:46:02 jurov: apparently tsar nicholas arranged a business with lincoln

21:46:19 jurov: and borrowed 1000 tons of gold to that purpose

21:46:28 ben_vulpes: re "brought down the governor", kitzhaber had one of these recently: http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-32827-gov_john_kitzhabers_office_sought_to_destroy_thous.html

21:46:29 assbot: Gov. John Kitzhaber's Office Sought To Destroy Thousands of His Emails ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0etMJ )

21:46:40 decimation: jurov: is that why the tsar sold alaska for a pittance?

21:46:40 jurov: but rothshilds stole it and caused general havoc

21:46:50 jurov: alaska is not mentioned

21:46:53 ben_vulpes: he also ran his personal emails through state servers.

21:47:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, disgraced soviet bureaucrats (usually posthumous - see hruschev's speech re: l. beria) had 'rapacious daily rapist' tags nailed on

21:47:18 mircea_popescu: right.

21:47:21 asciilifeform: with juicy tabloid-grade legends told via official microphones

21:47:22 mircea_popescu: but the timing is allimportant.

21:47:34 decimation: or they were disappeared from pictures right

21:47:40 asciilifeform: same timing here. herr spitzer was defrocked, out come the rape stories

21:47:45 asciilifeform: or equiv.

21:47:52 mircea_popescu: i dunno...

21:48:39 asciilifeform: jurov taken to reading ru tabloids regularly ?

21:49:07 jurov: i keep getting fed them via facebook

21:49:12 asciilifeform: l0l

21:49:32 mircea_popescu: he's preparing for the great progress.

21:49:33 asciilifeform: jurov's facebook full of dyspeptic middle aged ru folks ?

21:49:53 jurov: no.

21:49:58 decimation: jurov clicked "like" on "putin please don't invade slovenia"?

21:50:01 jurov: it's starry eyed putinjugend

21:50:09 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

21:50:29 mircea_popescu: actual people or just fb dead souls ?

21:50:41 jurov: actual ppl

21:50:47 asciilifeform: jurov: those have own publications, normally, full of meticulously chromed rockets of various shapes

21:51:20 asciilifeform: in one of these, it was recently claimed that БЖРК is back

21:51:35 asciilifeform: (railroad-based nuke-thrower)

21:51:51 asciilifeform: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%91%D0%96%D0%A0%D0%9A_15%D0%9F961_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%86_(2)_-_edited.jpg << the classic

21:51:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18eYEKy )

21:52:14 asciilifeform: ^ can't see in this shot, but the middle car has eight axles instead of the usual four

21:52:19 asciilifeform: 135t.

21:52:35 decimation: asciilifeform: I never figured out why these went out of fashion

21:52:51 asciilifeform: still would've bent the rails if there were not a clever system of springs to spread weight to adjacent cars

21:53:11 asciilifeform: decimation: they didn't. usa spent $maxint trying to copy, but then changed their mind when realized they have scarcely any railroads

21:53:31 jurov: hehe

21:53:40 asciilifeform: so instead they went to ru after the ussr croaked and ordered these things sawed apart on camera

21:53:53 asciilifeform: '93-98

21:53:56 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah sounds legit

21:54:37 decimation: actually usa has plenty of railroads, but none of them are open for usg to roam freely

21:54:48 asciilifeform: there is a legend, based on released usg docs of reasonable plausibility, that usg knew where the trains were at various times by sneaking neutron counters into passenger/cargo rail

21:55:25 asciilifeform: open for usg to roam freely << the rocket train was disguised (thinly) as a cargo train and went on ordinary rail

21:55:31 asciilifeform: mixed freely with usual trains

21:56:26 asciilifeform: http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/26/barguzin << the new model is claimed to use a smaller rocket and be externally identical to a passenger car

21:56:27 assbot: Lenta.ru: Силовые структуры: Вооруженные силы: Первые «ракетные поезда» встанут на дежурство после 2018 года ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0gyrV )

21:56:34 asciilifeform: (smaller but same range, claimed.)

21:56:50 asciilifeform: lighter payload.

21:58:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00039549 = 17.8366 BTC [+]

21:58:45 asciilifeform: http://lenta.ru/articles/2015/02/20/fskn << ru closes their equivalent of u.s. DEA on mar 1.

21:58:46 assbot: Статьи: Lenta.ru: Силовые структуры: Полиция и спецслужбы: Есть ли будущее у госнаркоконтроля ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0gWH1 )

21:58:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> decimation: they didn't. usa spent $maxint trying to copy, but then changed their mind when realized they have scarcely any railroads << so lulzy this.

21:59:03 asciilifeform: official story was 'budget overrun'

21:59:10 mircea_popescu: "most civilised country in the civilised world, has no railroads and most of demographics replenishment comes out of cosanguine marriages"

21:59:23 mircea_popescu: "welcome to 1700, you're doing pretty well!"

21:59:27 asciilifeform: comes from south of border, actually

21:59:33 asciilifeform: so not even 1700 state of the art

21:59:33 decimation: if you look at any map of the us circa 1880 or earlier all you see are railroads

21:59:38 mircea_popescu: that's exogenous. i was talking endogenous

21:59:39 decimation: then if you look at maps over time, the railroads disappear roughly 1940, to be replaced with national highways

21:59:49 asciilifeform: endogenous - from the rookeries

22:01:08 decimation: http://www.techbastard.com/missile/peacekeeper/railcar.php

22:01:09 assbot: Peacekeeper Missile Rail Garrison Car ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0hrAZ )

22:01:22 asciilifeform: aha it

22:04:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68713 @ 0.00039558 = 27.1815 BTC [+] {2}

22:05:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8287 @ 0.00040197 = 3.3311 BTC [+]

22:07:30 danielpbarron: the train around where i live only exists because of subsidies; it's stupidly inexpensive to ride, and yet most people still prefer their cars

22:09:44 danielpbarron: when i had an office job, i used the train to commute; the monthly pass cost ~120 USD and I didn't even have to pay this; my employer got money from the state for covering this cost -- probably some misguided attempt to protect the environment or cut down on traffic

22:12:38 chetty: US transport is horridly set up, people prefer cars cause train and bus stations are in bad locations with no useful taxi service

22:13:18 ben_vulpes: i do love the pubtrans in my socialist paradise.

22:13:47 danielpbarron: i was within biking distance at both ends -- luck i guess

22:14:00 ben_vulpes: what is biking distance anyways?

22:14:03 ben_vulpes: .5 mi?

22:14:05 ben_vulpes: 2 mi?

22:14:08 ben_vulpes: people are fucking lazy.

22:14:13 danielpbarron: 5 to 10 minutes

22:14:29 danielpbarron: it was actually a 10 to 20 minute walk on one of the ends

22:15:22 ben_vulpes: re submaring/aircraftcarrier thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBi0LqgwrH8

22:15:23 assbot: Marvel's The Avengers - Clip: Helicarrier (2012) | HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18f0B9Q )

22:16:25 chetty: oh and us has lack of sidewalks too, half the time you cant walk without risking life on roadsides

22:17:36 danielpbarron: in CT you run the risk of getting harassed by COPS for daring to take a walk somewhere

22:17:55 danielpbarron: walking ~= homeless

22:18:26 danielpbarron: if you want to avoid suspicion, wear yoga pants and jog

22:18:28 mircea_popescu: nuts.

22:19:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122485 @ 0.00040282 = 49.3394 BTC [+] {3}

22:19:47 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: Only the homeless would be willing to brave the snow to walk somewhere...

22:21:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00040641 = 1.2192 BTC [+]

22:21:49 mircea_popescu: !up Ginux

22:49:59 mats: https://blog.filippo.io/komodia-superfish-ssl-validation-is-broken/

22:50:00 assbot: Komodia/Superfish SSL Validation is broken ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9fEvY )

22:53:09 mats: not so big a deal since Windows Defender is now taking care of it, but nonetheless

22:59:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143200 @ 0.00040675 = 58.2466 BTC [+] {2}

22:59:22 danielpbarron: mwahaha; i got the netconsole thing to work!

22:59:31 danielpbarron: v.cool

23:01:29 danielpbarron: i used this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023615

23:01:29 assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:56:09; nubbins`: http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html

23:03:21 danielpbarron: in the same process, I got it to boot from a memory card

23:03:39 danielpbarron: and i'd like to now try using a USB3 flash drive as the datadir

23:05:49 danielpbarron: the memory card is required in combination with USB3 because the thing cannot have a root filesystem on drives attached to the ports on the rear, and the usb on the top (next to the sata port) is USB2

23:06:57 danielpbarron: but when the netbsd thing is ready to go, the memory card should not be necessary

23:07:37 danielpbarron: and if anyone has a pogo already and doesn't want to wait, i'd say go with debian over arch; right off the bat it looks like there's no systemd with debian

23:08:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42815 @ 0.00040641 = 17.4004 BTC [-]

23:09:34 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu it's not russian ye kook, it's the hammer and sickle sign << i meant this! комсомольская правда!

23:09:43 pete_dushenski: hammer and sickle is... hammer and sickle

23:10:04 mircea_popescu: komsomolskaya pravda /

23:10:41 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomolskaya_Pravda

23:10:43 assbot: Komsomolskaya Pravda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3v31y )

23:10:59 pete_dushenski: that'd be the one

23:11:00 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2014#735984 << from front page of bitcoin-tardland: "This project is completely open-source and I take 0 profit from it. Please note that there are more cost-effective ways of deploying full nodes and I mention that in the FAQs. This website is an experiment and an excersize on automatically deploying nodes when a certain balance is reached"

23:12:58 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller mya?

23:13:16 pete_dushenski: kake's code doesn't work anymore

23:13:21 pete_dushenski: last time i tried it at least

23:14:09 punkman: quotes from ISIS on ask.fm http://www.rferl.org/content/islamic-state-questions-askfm-western-militant-wannabes/26686817.html

23:14:10 assbot: 'I Want To Wage Jihad But I Don't Have A Thing To Wear' -- Western IS Wannabes Ask Burning Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9m6Dg )

23:14:42 pete_dushenski: reference: https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/bitcoin-node/src

23:14:43 assbot: pankkake / bitcoin-node / source / — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9meT1 )

23:15:18 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: ah i was referring to http://fullnode.co

23:15:47 pete_dushenski: a i see they're back

23:15:56 pete_dushenski: their site was down last i checked

23:16:05 pete_dushenski: a whopping 66 nodes ! wowee!

23:16:15 punkman: thestringpuller: when did assbot start ignoring your links

23:17:03 punkman: kinda confusing to see log link without assbot spitting out the line

23:17:42 thestringpuller: !gettrust kakobrekla thestringpuller

23:17:44 assbot: Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user thestringpuller: Level 1: -1, Level 2: 8 via 6 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/kakobrekla/thestringpuller | http://w.b-a.link/user/thestringpuller

23:23:09 asciilifeform: fullnode.co << who is not with us, is against us.

23:23:28 asciilifeform: (TM)

23:23:47 pete_dushenski: there's no shortage of that "in bitcoin"

23:24:12 asciilifeform: also wtf with calling a vps fakecomputer 'full node'

23:24:39 asciilifeform: may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs

23:25:22 thestringpuller: Blow up the datacenter, good bye nodes.

23:25:30 asciilifeform: also didn't that thing appear around the same time as 'fakenode' (?) was published ?

23:25:32 asciilifeform: pseudonode.

23:25:45 thestringpuller: i think fullnode is a little older than pseudonode

23:25:57 pete_dushenski: o what words mean things now ?

23:25:58 asciilifeform: is it having any sizeable listing older than pseudonode ?

23:26:15 thestringpuller: it was before pankakke ragequit?

23:26:30 asciilifeform: speaking of, anyone know what became of herr pankkake ?

23:26:58 pete_dushenski: he's been even quiter than thickasthieves

23:27:10 asciilifeform: and did anyone ever come up with a logical explanation for his rage ?

23:27:12 pete_dushenski: tat still seems to do the twitter thing

23:27:37 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform ya, he didn't like the flavour of punch we were serving

23:27:53 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i think pseudonode is kinda like https://github.com/mattdiamond/fuckitjs and more of a comedy measure and not srsbsns

23:27:56 *: asciilifeform observes that it is not necessary to drink the punch to enjoy the company

23:28:15 pete_dushenski: but you're not french

23:28:18 mats: while we're on the subject, pankkake on fullnode: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/27/fullnode-co-is-a-scam

23:28:19 assbot: Fullnode.co is a scam | pankkake ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9pFZU )

23:28:20 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: pseudonode works as printed on the tin

23:28:30 punkman: pseudonode also useful for DoS experiments and such

23:28:48 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: still not srsbsns tho! it's a joke!

23:29:07 thestringpuller: don't be kanye, nao.

23:29:08 asciilifeform: the joke's on naive node counters

23:29:20 thestringpuller: ^- exactly that's why it's funny!

23:33:04 pete_dushenski: are there non-naive node counters ? or a way to count nodes non-naively ?

23:34:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.0004039 = 15.8127 BTC [-] {2}

23:40:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28190 @ 0.00040818 = 11.5066 BTC [+]

23:40:53 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu socialism is somethin you want when you're stupid, because you're stupid, and as your brain starts working you stop wanting it./ << lol so money.

23:41:53 mircea_popescu: yep

23:43:59 ben_vulpes:

23:43:59 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs << you wrecker, you!

23:44:37 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs << this is part of the problem, and why the 61 figure is an upper bound

23:44:55 mircea_popescu: plenty of perfectly legitimately netops reasons to show the same server on multiple - and perhaps changing - ips

23:46:01 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot pankkake

23:46:02 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user pankkake: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 6 via 6 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/pankkake | http://w.b-a.link/user/pankkake

23:46:14 mircea_popescu: apparently quitting doesn't actually do anything.

23:46:29 thestringpuller: Mafia-eque

23:47:17 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I guess if the boys still play with Cartman, despite...

23:48:25 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je-CPZRwbh8 << sheeit, apparently garbage still exists.

23:48:26 assbot: Garbage - When I Grow Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9v5UK )

23:54:12 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFTGfwJNmM << finally found the right fucking version.

23:54:14 assbot: Garbage - When I Grow Up (Live) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9wKdb )

23:54:27 mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people, bowdlerisation of everytrhing everywhere all the fucking time.

23:55:14 mircea_popescu: obscure grunge-pop band from wisconsin, they re-release their pre 2000 songs to sound like shit. and not sort-of like shit. actually fucking shit, audibly so. you don't even have to be an opera critic with 20 different mezzo and coloratura sopranos under your belt.

23:55:40 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-reaches-yet-another-ath/

23:55:41 assbot: Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Reaches Yet Another ATH | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9x6jQ )