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00:05:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95836 @ 0.00057389 = 54.9993 BTC [-] {2}

00:06:40 BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/8gpczk.png

00:06:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaxI0S )

00:18:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the record this " the reason that source access is needed is the same as the cause of the problem: the inability to modify system behavior non-intrusively. if one could modify OPEN on any given system to acquire new behavior _without_ compiling a new OPEN or, even if you did, without re-linking the entire system (thus the need for dynamic linking and similar solutions, too), source code access would

00:18:37 mircea_popescu: be entirely immaterial." is rank idiocy.

00:18:54 mircea_popescu: he is correct in that foss is mostly a problem unto itself, making the previous situation worse rather than better.

00:19:28 asciilifeform: it is only possible to understand what naggum said if one is familiar with clos.

00:19:32 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the "solution" he contemplates is of the level of "because inept us-style corporatism displays all the sechelae you'd expect if you got a bunch of farmers to say how cars should look, let's everyone run in traffic!"

00:20:07 mircea_popescu: i do not WISH to run an "open" which may acquire unspecified powers in the future if the caller rubs its belly just right.

00:20:43 mircea_popescu: the principal specification of any machine, not JUST computers, not just software stacks, not just lines of code, is to specify what it can never do.

00:21:36 asciilifeform: naggum also suffered from a kind of garden of eden innocence in re: that he never once showed any sign of understanding sabotage

00:21:42 mircea_popescu: right ?

00:21:50 asciilifeform: aha.

00:22:18 asciilifeform: then again he did pay for src licenses

00:22:27 asciilifeform: and read.

00:22:31 mircea_popescu: what he's talking about it is fractal they shall be delivered thing

00:23:15 asciilifeform: how so?

00:23:49 mircea_popescu: how so. how the fuck are you EVER going to sign off on any code when it is not possible to say what function call will never do ?

00:24:58 asciilifeform: this 'never do' exists only if you burn into rom and then pour concrete around it.

00:25:15 mircea_popescu: currently our substance is drawn specifically from the fact that for the past 2-3 decades, these twerps approached the problem of functionality ("the software doesn't do enough") with nary a clue about the problem of feedback ("the software does too much")

00:25:46 asciilifeform: otherwise you might cat /dev/random > /dev/mem

00:25:55 asciilifeform: and get a different do...

00:26:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sufficient and necessary concrete is readily available and of an abstract kind. i needn't any actual calcium carbonate to say various things about various bits of code.

00:26:20 asciilifeform: but you do.

00:26:29 mircea_popescu: i just mark it as broken.

00:26:34 mircea_popescu: as for instance with openssl above.

00:26:39 asciilifeform: the promises made by a c machine are false promises.

00:26:49 asciilifeform: and certainly not protocol.

00:26:51 mircea_popescu: this is a separate problem.

00:27:14 mircea_popescu: that the concept is poorly implemented is a separable and in fact separate problem from that the concept is broken

00:28:08 asciilifeform: these are not actually separate, causally

00:28:59 mircea_popescu: we had a few threads about this. i suppose it's still an open q.

00:29:06 asciilifeform: c machine is an exquisite study in what 'broken concept' actually means in practice.

00:29:48 asciilifeform: it is a braindamaged model of computation that breeds fractal braindamage throughout.

00:30:07 mircea_popescu: that may well be so. "with dirty hands no clean pages will be written".

00:30:45 asciilifeform: not even hands, just an arse sliding around, inscribing in fecal ink.

00:32:06 gernika: mircea_popescu: I don't recall saying anything. Probably because I was pretending: "no big deal." or something.

00:32:19 mircea_popescu: teenagers, tsk tsk.

00:35:03 mircea_popescu: "(4) you could communicate your desire for a system-wide improvement to someone who could put it in the official sources and you could add your changes conditionally." << see specifically how he manges the very pointed difference discussed in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411186

00:35:03 assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:20:40; mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!

00:35:26 mircea_popescu: i kinda wonder if naggum had lived to see b-a, whethger it'd have been passionate love or some sort of weird hate thing.

00:40:16 asciilifeform: naggum was an old-worlder. in the very specific sense of taleb et al

00:40:40 asciilifeform: for him, quality proggy is something created at a company, by experts, for money.

00:40:57 mircea_popescu: not necessarily wrong.

00:40:59 asciilifeform: aha.

00:41:07 mircea_popescu: not really related to the discussion here, either.

00:41:21 mircea_popescu: he doesn't believe, eg, math, is "something created at mit"

00:41:50 mircea_popescu: even if he may or may not believe any particular building is the result of some people who did some calculations in private for money.

00:41:52 asciilifeform: well not as such. but he very much saw it as something ~not~ created by teenagers in mother's basement

00:41:55 asciilifeform: which is largely true.

00:41:58 mircea_popescu: largely yes.

00:42:16 mircea_popescu: except if everyone had plutonium induced braindamage from the fashion of eating plutonium pills

00:42:18 mircea_popescu: then it would be.

00:42:38 asciilifeform: quite.

00:42:43 mircea_popescu: and lest you think such a thing is "impossible" : ustards ate off lead plates for many years, and even blamed tomatoes for hallucinated poisonousness.

00:42:59 asciilifeform: hell, romans.

00:43:02 mircea_popescu: all this because they really wanted to be as cool as the euros and didn't comprehend that faking it till you make it just gives you saturnism

00:43:16 mircea_popescu: nah, romans used it for plumbing.

00:43:24 mircea_popescu: and wrote down that you're not supposed to flint, michigan.

00:43:37 asciilifeform: iirc also goblets ?

00:43:40 asciilifeform: for the taste

00:44:04 mircea_popescu: iirc that wasn't ever more than say tit implants

00:44:17 *: asciilifeform can see it

00:45:32 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.94000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b76

00:56:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13562 @ 0.00056708 = 7.6907 BTC [-]

01:35:53 phf: pocorgtfo http://glyf.org/tmp/shiva-swank.png

01:35:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsL1W9 )

01:40:27 asciilifeform: phf: very neat, and exactly what i wanted!

01:40:31 asciilifeform: share?

01:45:02 phf: of course

01:46:36 phf: right now it's a bit jury rigged though. most intrusive is the addition of "keywords" to scheme.c, i.e. :foo evaluates to :foo

01:48:01 asciilifeform: for some reason i thought that this was already there, selectably

01:48:07 asciilifeform: hm.

01:48:25 mircea_popescu: oya

01:49:14 phf: they have some package hack foo::bar (and not foo:bar), which mostly just breaks things

01:50:03 asciilifeform: ah.

01:50:51 asciilifeform: thing needs readermacros

01:51:04 phf: yes.

01:51:06 asciilifeform: then you : could simply equal '

02:00:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37563 @ 0.00057387 = 21.5563 BTC [+] {2}

02:04:01 asciilifeform: in other lulz, looked for discussion of the alphago bet, and found ...

02:04:05 asciilifeform: https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10153941386639228

02:04:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsMICR )

02:09:04 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b77

02:09:47 mircea_popescu: i'm not gonna click on fb.

02:10:07 asciilifeform: 'I have one bet on at 2:3 against AlphaGo winning against Sedol in March - they get my $667 if AlphaGo wins, I get their $1000 if AlphaGo loses. Does anyone else like those odds? (They originally offered me $1000 to $1500 and I've decided that I regret not taking the full amount.) EDIT: Have reached current betting capacity on Sedol at $1500 to $2250, others may still be taking bets.' << the whole thing.

02:10:32 asciilifeform: dated feb 8.

02:11:29 mircea_popescu: mmmkay...

02:11:37 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/

02:11:37 assbot: BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 30.73 B (53%) on Yes, 27.63 B (47%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 1 day| weight: 61`697 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsN9gt )

02:12:01 mircea_popescu: ;;calc ( 30.73 + 27.63) * 443.61158638

02:12:02 gribble: 25889.1721811

02:12:24 mircea_popescu: amusingly bitbet is the largest pool on that topic on the whole internets, nobody seems to be aware of the situation.

02:12:35 asciilifeform: ;;google alphago bet

02:12:36 gribble: BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match ...: ; Computer Go player 'AlphaGo' defeats pro in even game for first time ...: ; In a Huge Breakthrough, Google's AI Beats a Top Player at the ...:

02:12:44 mircea_popescu: actually strike that, they are very aware.

02:13:11 mircea_popescu: even ended up in some slashdotty-like thing w/e it was

02:13:16 mircea_popescu: wired something

02:13:17 asciilifeform: they got this 'studiously ignore' thing going on, tho

02:13:38 mircea_popescu: hey, history is written by a dude Ira and his studious.

02:14:35 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.28600000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b78

02:14:58 mircea_popescu: aok o.O

02:25:57 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Eulora auction, February the 28th - http://fraudsters.com/2016/eulora-auction-february-the-28th/

02:34:10 phf: tinyscheme can't read strings longer then #define STRBUFFSIZE 256, hmm

02:34:50 mircea_popescu: ffs.

02:34:59 mircea_popescu: how does this make sense ?

02:42:17 asciilifeform: the buffer has to be a certain length...

02:42:52 mircea_popescu: and this is my problem because c ?

02:43:42 asciilifeform: yes.

02:55:03 trinque: yo hey yo hey << looks like my bouncer took a crap while I was out for the weekend. sup!

02:59:13 mircea_popescu: wb

03:29:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82470 @ 0.00057402 = 47.3394 BTC [+] {3}

03:31:19 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411650 << this is because that's not a sig for buildroot; it's an armored signed copy of buildroot's hash

03:31:19 assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 02:30:15; assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:41:35; ben_vulpes: mod6: i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!

03:31:57 mod6: trinque: wb

03:32:22 mod6: yah. i realized that lastnight. i think it also has to do with that i was using a derp version of gnupg too

03:32:44 trinque: mod6: good evening, and cool

03:32:48 mod6: anyway, not sure how i ever mixed that up.

03:33:19 mod6: anyway, i the latest, we just pulled that out for the time being.

03:38:26 danielpbarron: ;; later tell phf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412717 << There's one on Fulton Street with great food

03:38:26 assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 22:49:39; phf: aah, i'll ask him when he's around, but that's west coast. they have great saunas there

03:38:26 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:49:13 mircea_popescu: !up JuliaTourianski_

03:49:43 JuliaTourianski_: it's been a while

03:49:55 mircea_popescu: how goes ?

03:50:09 mircea_popescu: hey, were you running a russian bath thing or am i completely delusional ?

03:50:11 JuliaTourianski_: my headache just disappeared. magical!

03:50:24 JuliaTourianski_: I am still running one

03:50:53 mircea_popescu: where was it ?

03:50:54 JuliaTourianski_: will be running 2 in the forseeable future

03:51:29 JuliaTourianski_: Canada

03:51:36 mircea_popescu: yes but which side of the pancake.

03:51:41 JuliaTourianski_: E

03:52:07 mircea_popescu: so... how about you pay the fine establishment a visit phf ?

03:52:34 JuliaTourianski_: my mother got a call the other day with some guy asking her if we have glory holes. she had no idea what he meant.

03:52:45 mircea_popescu: lol.

03:53:09 JuliaTourianski_: phf?

03:53:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2016#1412171

03:53:33 assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 19:08:14; phf: as soon as i can move again, i'm going to make it to russian&turkish baths in nyc. they don't really do saunas on the east coast, but that baths place is awesome

03:54:52 JuliaTourianski_: I like the fulton st bathhouse in nyc (amazing food), and this one http://www.russianturkishbaths.com/ nice atmosphere, oldschool family run

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03:54:59 JuliaTourianski_: they gave me a discount cuz I'm a fellow owner

03:55:23 mircea_popescu: eh girls get discounts everywhere nudity's even vaguely involved.

03:55:46 JuliaTourianski_: not true. the unisex nude on in san fran gave me no discount

03:56:00 mircea_popescu: wrong kinda girl. shoulda been gay.

03:56:19 JuliaTourianski_: all girls are gay

03:56:28 JuliaTourianski_: if they so choose

03:56:30 mircea_popescu: alright, i give, i got nothing.

03:56:54 phf: of course, i'm always interested in new sauna places

03:57:07 JuliaTourianski_: ur euro born right

03:57:18 phf: yes, russian

03:57:25 JuliaTourianski_: Ive been to bathhouses all over

03:58:39 phf: i prefer contrast baths, hot bath, cold plunge, but yeah i've been to all kinds

03:59:05 JuliaTourianski_: in turkey, we were walking round hoping to go to a hamam the next day..when we saw steam rising from one of the buildings...we inquired to find the oldest haman of turkey! it was amazing. they scrubbed me down so hard. and they giggled at my shyness.

03:59:05 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:59:31 JuliaTourianski_: hammam*

04:00:27 mircea_popescu: pretty cool.

04:00:55 phf: is that the one that's few blocks away from hagia sophia?

04:01:12 JuliaTourianski_: couldnt tell u

04:01:13 mircea_popescu: should be.

04:02:43 JuliaTourianski_: the general rule is...the more expensive a bathhouse is, the less authentic cuz only white tourists would pay that much to bathe...

04:02:44 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ did you get that gaming system made ?

04:03:01 JuliaTourianski_: yes. waiting for new monitor

04:03:28 JuliaTourianski_: but purse.io has not filled my order for days...

04:03:35 mircea_popescu: the girl/boy ratio in eulora is starting to skew the wrong way!

04:03:39 phf: i've noticed that, there's a place right between the sophia and blue mosque, that's all turist.

04:04:07 JuliaTourianski_: so why is eulora different than minecraft

04:04:31 mircea_popescu: minecraft just creates shit out of thin air neh ?

04:05:04 JuliaTourianski_: am i masculine cuz i was addicted to minecraft or feminine because i built a kitchen

04:05:19 mircea_popescu: you're gay for caring!

04:05:40 JuliaTourianski_: so ghay

04:05:42 danielpbarron: minecraft is way more focused on sandboxing

04:06:07 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i never played it, but is it inflationary ?

04:06:11 danielpbarron: very

04:06:14 JuliaTourianski_: do i have to give mp money to have fun in eulora

04:06:18 mircea_popescu: well then that's the difference.

04:06:27 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ nah atm noobs are making a pretty penny mining.

04:07:04 JuliaTourianski_: ill give it a shot once my monitor happens

04:07:26 danielpbarron: i used to play on a hardcore pvp server that had a decent economy (for minecraft) and they would have to periodically reset the whole world

04:07:31 mircea_popescu: weren't ppls bitching that purse.io went scam or was that a different thing

04:07:44 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron that's just fucking ridoinculous.

04:07:56 JuliaTourianski_: not yet

04:09:12 phf: danielpbarron: wait, fullton street in nyc?

04:09:18 danielpbarron: ya

04:09:51 phf: interesting, i've not been to that one

04:10:36 JuliaTourianski_: great food

04:11:07 danielpbarron: i pulled off some pretty cool raids on that minecraft server; the guy who made it coded this thing you could build out of expensive parts that would like you track down where people were if they stood in one place too long (usually building their big stupid elaborate base)

04:11:39 mircea_popescu: butthurt ensues ?

04:11:47 danielpbarron: got to the point i built a tracker so big i could scan the whole map using binary substitution, and just collected and sold coordinates to other people

04:11:55 mircea_popescu: lol

04:11:58 phf: the one on second ave has pretty good food, but it's really just one guy cooking it. this wallstreetspa place seems like they might have a cook

04:14:48 JuliaTourianski_: mircea_popescu what do u think of physicals

04:14:55 mircea_popescu: what are those ?

04:15:20 JuliaTourianski_: physical bitcoin

04:15:37 mircea_popescu: i never cared, myself. nubbins` is the resident expert really.

04:16:48 JuliaTourianski_: http://www.maxfield.me/blog/

04:16:50 assbot: Blog « Photography, Illustration & Creative Retouching – Portfolio of Maxfield Mellenbruch ... ( http://bit.ly/1SLP2LN )

04:19:05 mircea_popescu: lol i didn't know you were an artist.

04:19:28 mircea_popescu: !rated JuliaTourianski_

04:19:28 assbot: You rated user JuliaTourianski_ on 22-Sep-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Manages the beer for a family owned Russian bathouse with handmage sausages in Mississauga..

04:19:43 mircea_popescu: ha. voice yourself wouldja.

04:20:24 danielpbarron: the thing with "load your own key" physicals is it defeats at least some of the purpose

04:20:55 ben_vulpes: (hi trinque!)

04:20:57 danielpbarron: although i'm with nubbins` on the whole gpg chain of ownership method

04:21:55 danielpbarron: bitcoin can never exist strictly as a physical token; there needs to be some sort of bank-like entity to put a name on it

04:22:21 asciilifeform: to the extent 'physical coin' is a mechanism for storing actual coin, vs mere decoration, it is a Bad Idea.

04:22:37 mircea_popescu: seems to me rather obvious these are intended as decorative accessories.

04:22:47 mircea_popescu: i can see what the girls are trying to do. it's nb.

04:22:55 phf: seems like it would appeal to the same "commemorative" crowd as in fiat

04:23:22 mircea_popescu: phf no, it's the porsche for a new generation. tho i'm unsure whether anyone here understands or cares to think about what those things ~are~.

04:23:52 ben_vulpes: v. cool, phf.

04:24:09 ben_vulpes: (swank, that is)

04:24:15 ben_vulpes: (swanky, one might say)

04:25:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwut

04:25:39 mircea_popescu: better questions!

04:25:53 asciilifeform: what they are

04:25:59 asciilifeform: .

04:26:05 mircea_popescu: lol ?

04:26:40 asciilifeform: 'veblen good' ?

04:30:03 mircea_popescu: not exactly\

04:30:15 mircea_popescu: let's go at it this way : ever seen how much bums value cell phones ?

04:31:45 asciilifeform: have seen the abstract fact of bum with phone, yes

04:34:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00057405 = 17.652 BTC [+]

04:36:28 punkman: danielpbarron: bitcoin can never exist strictly as a physical token; there needs to be some sort of bank-like entity to put a name on it << the keys are always stored on physical tokens. unless you have a brainwallet (and the mind-reading machine has not been invented yet).

04:37:47 ben_vulpes: this is an implementation detail, punkman

04:38:03 danielpbarron: yeah but you don't usually pass around private keys like bank notes

04:39:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the value of the phone for the bum is unrelated to its utility.

04:39:40 mircea_popescu: for one thing - who the fuck is he going to call ? for the other - how is he going to even get it to work ? for yet another, it matters not so much if the thing even works in the first place.

04:39:44 mircea_popescu: now - why is this ?

04:39:44 asciilifeform: i can see it.

04:40:05 danielpbarron: it sorta works with cacasius coins -- the ones that ~he~ loaded. But if each identical looking token is supposed to be loaded by a different entity, there can be no illusion of fungibility between them

04:41:39 mircea_popescu: note that i picked the bum specifically. for derps in "secure neighbourhoods", showing off to the neighbour is arguably a +ev move. who knows, maybe neighbour's daughter comes to do your house work in the nude or something. as faint as it may be - you're not going to get in fucking trouble for being an asshole. not so for bum. for bum, veblen goods are suicide goods.

04:41:55 mircea_popescu: so then what gives ?

04:44:43 asciilifeform: he puts on the play for himself?

04:45:06 asciilifeform: 'i'm still someone'

04:45:07 mircea_popescu: look at "european cars", they've been selling the same damned thing for 30 years now. you ever watch one of their ads ?

04:45:19 mircea_popescu: there's a naked woman in a fur and a shot of some shiny cogs working together.

04:45:28 mircea_popescu: that's all it's been throughout.

04:45:49 mircea_popescu: and they're not pitching to people who could buy the damned cars, but to twentysomething derps in college.

04:46:10 mircea_popescu: fact of the matter is, when it comes to technology we're all bums. nobody can make a fucking car he'd want to drive.

04:46:25 asciilifeform: so that they buy as soon as they are credit-enabled?

04:46:33 mircea_popescu: and this is EXACTLY what elegance is. no fucking farmer in the midwest, building an empire and about to kick the fuherer's teeth in can POSSIBLY be elegant.

04:46:49 mircea_popescu: elegance is specifically the scent of early putrefaction.

04:47:12 mircea_popescu: hence new york was elegant in 1920, by the time it was just starting to no longer matter,

04:47:22 mircea_popescu: not in 1820 when it was kicking pensylvania's teeth in.

04:47:55 mircea_popescu: look at the item in question, it's faintly cog-like, and mysteriously made of parts bla bla. same exact play, for same exact reason.

04:48:19 mircea_popescu: all they need is some sluts in furs smoking out of hookas or some shit.

04:51:01 mircea_popescu: !up JuliaTourianski_

04:51:05 mircea_popescu: didja pm it !up ?

04:51:53 JuliaTourianski_: for elegance to exist it needs elegant people

04:52:21 mircea_popescu: what's that, women that never queef and dudes that don't go bald ?

04:53:06 phf: andy warhol's gay entourage

04:53:24 JuliaTourianski_: regarding the kialaras... they're pretty pieces of art (which by wilde's definition is valuable in it of itself) plus they have the btc behind them, so they're an investment.

04:53:53 mircea_popescu: see ? she gets it.

04:54:03 mircea_popescu: they're valuable in themselves plus they make a good investment. furs ftw.

04:54:26 mircea_popescu: anyone seen Les Veinards btw ?

04:54:39 JuliaTourianski_: wats that

04:55:14 mircea_popescu: splendid bit in there, right in the final sketch, de funes is this breton dude. "ils m'ont liquide!"

04:59:08 JuliaTourianski_: im writing a post called "It's not that there's no jobs, it's that your standards are too high. "

04:59:33 punkman: I like the Kialara coins, certainly different than all the other crap coins. but why would I buy one signed by Ricky Allman or JuliaTourianski? did you do the art on the back side?

04:59:53 JuliaTourianski_: yes

05:00:06 JuliaTourianski_: the paintings within are by us

05:00:17 phf: (ben_vulpes asciilifeform http://glyf.org/tmp/shiva-swank-op.png only works for own defined functions though, neither builtins nor ffi stuff seems to have enough meta)

05:00:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWa6ya )

05:00:32 punkman: ah, maybe tell the guy to put a note in the ads, I was confused

05:01:45 JuliaTourianski_: what were u looking at exactly

05:02:24 punkman: JuliaTourianski_: just the maxfield.me/blog/ link

05:03:06 JuliaTourianski_: hmm maybe it could say "art by Ricky Allman" etc

05:05:48 JuliaTourianski_: they're great gifts

05:06:25 JuliaTourianski_: better details here: https://imgur.com/a/RILhF

05:06:25 assbot: Kialara Signature Series ~ Bitcoin Wallet - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUd3dE )

05:06:27 ben_vulpes: and JuliaTourianski_ a great salesbabe

05:06:49 JuliaTourianski_: and im not even wearing spandex

05:07:58 ben_vulpes: salesbabes don't wear spandex, boothbabes do.

05:09:46 mircea_popescu: lol

05:10:14 mircea_popescu: o, did you do the http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ thing ?

05:10:15 assbot: I'll pay for your tits on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQMd6w )

05:11:14 phf: also great investment for those shtf preppers

05:11:19 punkman: http://juliatourianski.com/?p=126 these are fun

05:11:20 assbot: Forest | Julia Tourianksi ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWaIUi )

05:12:40 JuliaTourianski_: only .1 btc? jewy.

05:12:57 mircea_popescu: lol it's not prostitution, it's artistry!

05:13:01 JuliaTourianski_: thanks +punkman

05:13:08 mircea_popescu: as per wilde!

05:13:13 phf: very билибин

05:13:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, im off. laters all.

05:13:54 JuliaTourianski_: yeah, definitely an ode to him and also Bauer

05:16:47 phf: perhaps i could lightly annotate serialize machinery to get objects across the boundary, asciilifeform?

08:22:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00057414 = 13.1478 BTC [+] {2}

10:24:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36336 @ 0.00057358 = 20.8416 BTC [-]

10:56:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00057421 = 16.4511 BTC [+]

11:11:14 mircea_popescu: https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-02/msg00416.html << anyone fuckin looked at o'donell's glibc patch ?

11:11:15 assbot: Carlos O'Donell - [PATCH] CVE-2015-7547 --- glibc getaddrinfo() stack-based buffer overflo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrHMwR )

11:11:37 mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra is on the first google page for the thing o.O

11:52:55 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1413041 <<< heh congrats BingoBoingo

11:52:55 assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 11:11:37; mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra is on the first google page for the thing o.O

11:53:35 mircea_popescu: srsly.

11:57:29 shinohai: Buenas Dias, here's some Yanet Garcia to fuel your Lunes: https://i.imgur.com/za6FrOO.webm

11:57:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TzYp1h )

12:06:43 mircea_popescu: in other lolz, the interwebs offers exactly 0 information on how to turn dns lookups off, or itable it away, or ufw/csf/etc it shut, or any of that. because apparently this is not something one could want to do. it will break your internet! why ? dns is about as useful as painted wings on a cow, there's exactly nothing internet-wise that needs (or for that matter even significantly benefits from) dns. nevertheless it's

12:06:43 mircea_popescu: baked in everywhere, to the level of fucking glibc (what fucking business does glibc have with offering a spurious aliasing service for ips AT ALL ?! that shit belongs three levels below glibc!)

12:06:59 mircea_popescu: very instructive example in how anglotardism works, imo.

12:07:24 mircea_popescu: the world, if you had the misfortune of being spawned by a dumbass with a drunkard, mostly consists of things "you couldn't possibily want", let alone need.

12:55:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1413035 << sounds right

12:55:45 assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 05:16:47; phf: perhaps i could lightly annotate serialize machinery to get objects across the boundary, asciilifeform?

12:57:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1413047 << we had this very thread a year ago, when first encountered the libnss claptrap

12:57:21 assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 12:06:43; mircea_popescu: in other lolz, the interwebs offers exactly 0 information on how to turn dns lookups off, or itable it away, or ufw/csf/etc it shut, or any of that. because apparently this is not something one could want to do. it will break your internet! why ? dns is about as useful as painted wings on a cow, there's exactly nothing internet-wise that needs (or for that matter even significantly benefits from) dns

12:57:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm writing it up.

12:57:44 mircea_popescu: this time it's consumer-y enough.

12:57:48 asciilifeform: neato

13:01:08 mircea_popescu: large article, but imo worth it.

13:06:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00057358 = 11.4716 BTC [-]

13:34:55 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046028 << oldie, goes well with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2016#1411186 megathread

13:34:55 assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 18:38:19; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: short summary: patch submitted by google chrome devs themselves; supposedly to simplify their sandbox 'jail' mechanism

13:34:55 assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:20:40; mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!

13:46:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97191 @ 0.00057425 = 55.8119 BTC [+] {2}

14:02:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00057456 = 38.3232 BTC [+] {3}

14:07:05 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you happen to know offhand where on qntra is the affidavit of random usg derp that claims ross ulbricht was found through whatever experts sex change website ?

14:22:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117700 @ 0.00057126 = 67.2373 BTC [-] {3}

15:13:41 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations - http://fraudsters.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/

15:30:33 shinohai: !s http://jcarlosnorte.com/security/2016/02/21/date-leak-gzip-tor.html

15:30:34 assbot: HTTP GZIP Compression remote date and time leak ... ( http://bit.ly/1oDlBPC )

15:30:34 assbot: 0 results for 'http://jcarlosnorte.com/security/2016/02/21/date-leak-gzip-tor.html' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fjcarlosnorte.com%2Fsecurity%2F2016%2F02%2F21%2Fdate-leak-gzip-tor.html

15:34:44 mircea_popescu: awww.

15:57:02 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogji3nSvPjg

15:57:03 assbot: This is the future - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1oDnHz4 )

15:59:46 mircea_popescu: she looks pretty sad.

16:16:30 BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo do you happen to know offhand where on qntra is the affidavit of random usg derp that claims ross ulbricht was found through whatever experts sex change website ? << not offhand, can dig prolly december 2014

16:19:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#comment-116612

16:19:20 assbot: Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1oDpHYg )

16:21:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2013#338384

16:21:03 assbot: Logged on 02-10-2013 19:43:20; taub: Ulbricht posted on Stack Overflow using his real name, asking .How can I connect to a Tor hidden service using curl in php?.. One minute later he changed his username to .frosty., but a subpoena shows the original name.

16:35:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i kinda wrote around it. but it turns out it was one gary alford

16:36:03 BingoBoingo: ah

16:37:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see answer.

16:39:10 asciilifeform: see answer2

16:44:37 mircea_popescu: idem.

16:47:40 mircea_popescu: and to assuage any fears for the pr0n, http://40.media.tumblr.com/741391ebf0c2b9fd420dfe99031e3753/tumblr_mthsgb1EVZ1qlne6uo1_12080.jpg

16:47:41 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1mT4gQW )

16:47:48 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/741391ebf0c2b9fd420dfe99031e3753/tumblr_mthsgb1EVZ1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg even

16:47:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mT4h7C )

17:19:37 asciilifeform: 'Maintainer promised 72 virgins if he made a release. Maintainer was not told that they were all Richard Branson clones. Maintainer is pretty cheesed off about that.' << http://www.floodgap.com/retrotech/xa lulz

17:19:40 assbot: xa (xa65): a portable 6502 cross assembler package ... ( http://bit.ly/219VzEP )

17:23:04 BingoBoingo: lol

17:25:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 56 @ 0.15107971 = 8.4605 BTC [+]

17:26:08 deedbot-: [Qntra] Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone - http://qntra.net/2016/02/tor-and-http-gzip-leak-local-time-zone/

17:30:01 asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/02/tor-and-http-gzip-leak-local-time-zone/#comment-46908

17:30:02 assbot: Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/219Xn0H )

17:32:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/02/tor-and-http-gzip-leak-local-time-zone/#comment-46909

17:32:40 assbot: Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RiD74O )

17:39:06 asciilifeform: http://news.softpedia.com/news/experiment-gets-encryption-key-from-computer-in-another-room-through-the-wall-500701.shtml << for some reason i thought the very same paper by the very same people came out last year ???

17:39:41 mircea_popescu: lol nb

17:39:42 asciilifeform: or hm, the last one was on ground leakage

17:39:49 asciilifeform: but otherwise same setup

17:40:43 mircea_popescu: in better news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/5cb0c4ead0bc8e5474d4d8dad86ea142/tumblr_mtdnhntymp1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

17:40:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RiEn80 )

17:42:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it references cve 2015 7511, so it would be the one last year

17:43:24 asciilifeform: looks like different paper. this time with honest antenna and no electrical connection to the victim

17:43:54 asciilifeform: a proper reenactment of the scene depicted in 'cryptonomicon'

17:44:08 mircea_popescu: apparently it's reported feb 12th reported as fixed 17th

17:44:15 asciilifeform: fixed?!

17:45:43 mircea_popescu: apparently it was a leak of the ecdh keys, and there's an update libgrcyprt

17:46:27 mircea_popescu: ie they forgot to mention it works specifically on ec crypto. but anyway.

17:46:28 asciilifeform: there is no ~fix~ for radiating the bits. other than... not to.

17:46:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no rule that you have to leak useful bits.

17:47:29 asciilifeform: it is possible to calculate in such a way that the same bits are radiated regardless of inputs. but NOT on x86.

17:48:09 mircea_popescu: mitre, amusingly, doesn't properly list it.

17:48:10 *: BingoBoingo relishes that moment seeing a headline with "CryptoFascist" and having no idea which way the story under it is going to go when read.

17:49:02 mircea_popescu: neway, therein lies the fix : https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2016q1/000384.html

17:49:03 assbot: [Announce] Libgcrypt 1.6.5 with security fix released ... ( http://bit.ly/1RiFwMQ )

17:49:11 asciilifeform: phun phakt, mitre is one of the largest usg 'think tank' setups.

17:49:40 mircea_popescu: very specifically ecdsa problem with weierstrass curves.

17:50:05 mircea_popescu: but hey, why say this. why say dns is bs. why say any of the things that actually matter, when instead could just discuss convenient generalities.

17:50:17 asciilifeform: where is the paper on what the ~fixed~ ver radiates ?

17:50:24 asciilifeform: and where is the patch for gpg 1.4 ?

17:50:26 jurov: mircea_popescu: mpex withdrawal pls

17:50:27 mircea_popescu: "security hole found in gpg" vs "security hole found in ecdsa - rsa not affected, you should have not switched"

17:50:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc their last paper concerned rsa

17:50:41 asciilifeform: it radiates just the same.

17:50:41 mircea_popescu: jurov on it.

17:51:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was iirc a flaw with chinese remainders, that was introduced much like the dns hole, for no reason, and then burned.

17:52:13 asciilifeform: l0l there are window washers dangling outside my office

17:52:20 asciilifeform: and i'm not sure i wouldn't trade places with them.

17:53:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33563 @ 0.00056927 = 19.1064 BTC [-]

17:53:45 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:qntra.net chinese remainder

17:53:46 gribble: Many Network Appliances Leak Master TLS Private Keys Through ...:

17:54:19 mircea_popescu: aha.

18:28:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170513 @ 0.00057448 = 97.9563 BTC [+] {4}

18:29:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90937 @ 0.00057596 = 52.3761 BTC [+]

18:58:47 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0279d6b242bbf03963306d28eecc107f/tumblr_mjie69W4CR1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

18:58:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qu3gur )

19:32:20 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/02/tor-and-http-gzip-leak-local-time-zone/#comment-46911

19:32:21 assbot: Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PSYdq7 )

20:06:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00056927 = 19.469 BTC [-]

20:18:10 mircea_popescu: commented.

20:20:47 *: BingoBoingo seriously wonders what universe ever particular break in various derp services matters

20:21:11 mircea_popescu: no idea.

20:48:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56851 @ 0.00056927 = 32.3636 BTC [-]

21:11:37 mircea_popescu: and in out there news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/b2428a12541602e3059789fbf4d042d5/tumblr_o204u8okbr1qas1eao1_1280.jpg

21:11:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6Aeld )

21:12:49 BingoBoingo: White socialists have been trying to Uncle Tom southern blacks since the 1870's

21:13:47 mircea_popescu: aha.

21:14:36 BingoBoingo: Long history of this shit.

21:16:24 *: BingoBoingo once took graduate classes where this was presented as some sort of "organic" phenomenon in black America even though the white evangalists of socialism (many of whom were influenced by the St Louis Hegelians) were prominently mentioned by the black authors in their literature.

21:20:51 deedbot-: [Qntra] Emergency Physicians Fail Matt DeHart - http://qntra.net/2016/02/emergency-physicians-fail-matt-dehart/

21:22:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65832 @ 0.00056927 = 37.4762 BTC [-]

21:23:08 mircea_popescu: that's pretty crazy.

21:23:50 BingoBoingo: Seriously, but torts in TMSR are possibru in the future

21:25:21 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mod6 there it is, cheers!

21:25:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:25:56 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sharp piece on dns. looking forward to this being 'news' in 2019.

21:26:26 mircea_popescu: at the earliest.

21:35:44 PeterL: regarding removing dns, is there a replacement mechanism for resolving hosts not on your short list?

21:36:31 BingoBoingo: archive.is

21:37:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16791 @ 0.00056518 = 9.4899 BTC [-]

21:37:29 PeterL: what I mean is if you want to add a host to your list, where do you get the ip?

21:38:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28509 @ 0.00057598 = 16.4206 BTC [+] {2}

21:38:34 mircea_popescu: PeterL you can put any website that checks dns on your short list if you wish

21:39:47 mircea_popescu: like say intodns.com

21:46:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 40 @ 0.15107971 = 6.0432 BTC [+]

21:49:26 trinque: PeterL: dig @ arsebook.com

21:49:42 trinque: or whichever DNS server

21:50:04 mircea_popescu: trinque you didn;t read teh fraudsters didja :D

21:51:10 trinque: at that moment trinque was enlightened

21:51:14 trinque: lol

21:51:52 mircea_popescu: hehe

22:19:27 deedbot-: [Qntra] British Pound Falling - http://qntra.net/2016/02/british-pound-falling/

22:24:26 *: asciilifeform fully expects to get deharted at some point in the none too distant future.

22:27:55 BingoBoingo: !Up mixdio

22:28:04 pete_dushenski: assbot: show the courtz your enumerated goodness and that it doesn't include kiddy pr0n.

22:29:04 pete_dushenski: and start a 'safe the alf' bitcoin fund for your defense. you'll be fine.

22:29:23 asciilifeform: for my tombstone.

22:29:36 pete_dushenski: mausoleum

22:30:03 asciilifeform: l0lsoleum

22:30:13 pete_dushenski: depends if alphago wins, i guess

22:30:23 jurov: have epitaph ready?

22:30:34 jurov: my guess is "At last."

22:30:45 pete_dushenski: "told you!"

22:30:57 asciilifeform: !s nine edge first

22:30:58 assbot: 1 results for 'nine edge first' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nine+edge+first

22:31:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049444 << related.

22:31:20 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'

22:31:30 mircea_popescu: At Last Lifeform

22:31:50 asciilifeform: deadform.

22:38:17 asciilifeform: as i said many time, i think,

22:38:32 asciilifeform: i won't believe that i was at all effective against usg until i am being sawed apart in a cellar.

22:40:02 asciilifeform: i am only still walking because not worth the whatever 50k or what it costs to have a man deharted

22:40:23 asciilifeform: or 100k to have him hastingsed, etc.

22:41:27 pete_dushenski: what 50-100k. it costs 50x that much to spec a space pen.

22:42:15 pete_dushenski: how could dehart be less than 20 mn ? maybe 50 ?

22:42:29 asciilifeform: possibly... 0

22:42:31 pete_dushenski: think of the overhead

22:42:43 asciilifeform: no, recall http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-10-2015#1299189

22:42:43 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 01:03:43; mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.

22:42:49 asciilifeform: ^ mega-thread on subj

22:43:04 asciilifeform: the infrastructure to 'rid me please of this insolent priest' is there.

22:43:11 asciilifeform: and has to be exercised once in a spell.

22:43:12 pete_dushenski: how many lazy retards to you have to employ with 'fairness policies' to capture a couple strong retards capable of torturing usg enemies

22:43:24 asciilifeform: none, this all works for the other usg.

22:43:41 asciilifeform: the one that isn't 'affirmative action compliant'

22:44:05 mircea_popescu: lol.

22:44:20 asciilifeform: as for deharting, it isn't altogether different from what american medics do to folks ~anyway~

22:44:45 asciilifeform: no need for specially trained staff of mengeles.

22:45:11 asciilifeform: any hospital will do, just walk a man in who is pre-prepped with $pill to mimic, e.g., schizo

22:45:26 asciilifeform: and the local white coats, aided by american pharma, will do the rest.

22:45:45 asciilifeform: usg's been working on this since 1940s.

22:46:16 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as for deharting, it isn't altogether different from what american medics do to folks ~anyway~ << word.

22:46:33 mircea_popescu: the error there is to assume this was in any sense deliberate. was not, sop. except nobody cares what hitler does to anon derps.

22:47:16 asciilifeform: what, after getting cp'd, he shat himself naturally ?

22:47:27 asciilifeform: not impossible, but also no reason why they'd stop at cping

22:49:20 asciilifeform: see, american псикушка is high-tech, spiffy, compared to old sov

22:49:35 asciilifeform: here, they ~actually~ take care to drive the victim mad.

22:49:58 asciilifeform: *психушка fuck this keyboard

23:05:24 asciilifeform: soo there was https://sites.google.com/site/ledblockcipher/home-1

23:05:25 assbot: The LED Block Cipher ... ( http://bit.ly/1L78Oij )

23:05:42 asciilifeform: and i read 'security' and find,

23:05:43 asciilifeform: 'The LED lightweight block cipher provide strong security arguments against all state-of-the-art attacks, even in the related-key model. In particular against differential and linear cryptanalysis: one can easily show that any 4-round differential path for any of the LED versions will contain at least 25 active Sboxes (i.e. Sboxes with a non-zero difference) in the single-key model. Even in t

23:05:50 asciilifeform: he more pessimistic related-key model, one can show that any 16-round differential path for any of the LED versions will contain at least 50 active Sboxes.'

23:05:53 asciilifeform: bbbbut

23:05:53 asciilifeform: where is the mention of, e.g., np hardness ??

23:05:56 asciilifeform: nowhere.

23:06:05 mircea_popescu: what is this nonsense.

23:06:09 mircea_popescu: one can show there's shoeboxes ?

23:06:14 asciilifeform: entomological sample, mircea_popescu .

23:06:27 asciilifeform: put with the other cockroaches.

23:06:34 asciilifeform: down in the cabinet on the left.

23:06:45 mircea_popescu: aok

23:07:01 *: asciilifeform did a backbreaking literature survey, searching for signs of intelligent life, found...

23:07:05 asciilifeform: none

23:07:08 mircea_popescu: i can show there's shoeboxes in the cryptologically hard cabinet under the drawer with bras and shit

23:12:50 asciilifeform: largely unrelated but very spiffy,

23:12:51 asciilifeform: http://www.linurs.org/mc14500.html

23:12:52 assbot: MC14500 1 bit CPU (ICU) ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7a0Cj )

23:12:59 asciilifeform: ^ not a misprint

23:15:12 asciilifeform: http://www.ganssle.com/articles/quirkychips.html << more re: same.

23:15:13 assbot: Quirky Chips ... ( http://bit.ly/1QurdSa )

23:15:31 asciilifeform: 'it didn't have a program counter. Designers were expected to create one external to the CPU. It's width was, well, anything the developer wanted. Running a tiny bit of code? Maybe an 8 bit PC was appropriate. Or 32 bits for those applications needing 4 GN (giga-nibbles) of powerhouse processing.'

23:15:46 asciilifeform: 'So the inevitable question is "how did a jump work?" That was entirely up to the engineer crafting the circuits. The OEN instruction could be used to disable any changes occurring on the output data; at the end of a loop assert OEN and let the machine execute whatever instructions - hopefully NOPs - remained until the PC rolled over. There was a JMP, but that instruction simply toggled an ou

23:15:52 asciilifeform: tput bit. The design engineer was supposed to make that signal do something useful, like load the PC with some address.'

23:16:45 asciilifeform: there are not so many original things in the field.

23:16:49 asciilifeform: this, i dare say, was one.

23:17:03 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1412957 << my reading of porsche for the 60s generation was a certain professional young man's (or well-heeled dilettante's) europhilic desire for post-war rennsport purity. the 90s/00s generation came to fetishise this, detaching it from reality, and in the process adding dildos of every unspeakable sort to the ak that was. in this sense, casascius coins are a necessary

23:17:04 assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 04:23:22; mircea_popescu: phf no, it's the porsche for a new generation. tho i'm unsure whether anyone here understands or cares to think about what those things ~are~.

23:17:04 pete_dushenski: traction for those more interested in what their peers ~think~ they do than what they actually do.

23:17:12 asciilifeform: i reinvented a gnarly variant of this as a student.

23:17:15 asciilifeform: (bit-serial cpu)

23:18:48 asciilifeform: http://tinymicros.com/mediawiki/images/e/ec/MC14500B_Handbook.pdf << re: above, scan of the b00k

23:18:57 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: what's the big deal about being original ? that's not the talk to someone visiting a hotel. 'this living out of a suitcase thing is really most splendid, why doesn't everyone do this?'

23:18:58 asciilifeform: ^ not mine, rather the earlier linked

23:19:08 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there is idiot-original and there is original.

23:19:22 asciilifeform: the pattern in which a dog vomit lands is not the same as a theorem.

23:21:28 asciilifeform: bit-serial cpu is meaningfully and interestingly unlike anything that came before (or, afaik, after.)

23:21:37 asciilifeform: and is potentially a foundation for sane computing.

23:21:49 asciilifeform: (esp. in... trit-serial variant.)

23:22:05 asciilifeform: very amenable to exotic logical elements (e.g., optical, or spin)

23:23:04 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for at least the next decade, i'll have to take your word on this

23:23:21 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1412987 << o.O

23:23:21 assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 04:46:10; mircea_popescu: fact of the matter is, when it comes to technology we're all bums. nobody can make a fucking car he'd want to drive.

23:23:27 pete_dushenski: !s morgan 3-wheeler

23:23:28 assbot: 2 results for 'morgan 3-wheeler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=morgan+3-wheeler

23:24:04 *: pete_dushenski hasn't tried to make personally, admittedly

23:24:31 asciilifeform: i can't even picture such a thing

23:24:35 asciilifeform: as a car that i'd want to drive.

23:24:43 asciilifeform: it is like 'stake i want to sit on'

23:24:48 asciilifeform: how about none.

23:25:14 pete_dushenski: now you're confusing 'commute i'd want to drive' with 'car i'd want to drive'

23:25:30 pete_dushenski: these are not the same thing

23:25:53 asciilifeform: if not for commute, why would i drive ?

23:26:05 pete_dushenski: there is no such thing as a pleasant commute. it's for slaves and sucks commensurately. as it should.

23:26:23 asciilifeform: aha

23:26:41 asciilifeform: but why would a free man, other than perhaps one who enjoys the racetrack, drive ?

23:26:43 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: drive to travel (ie. road trip), drive for sport (ie. track)

23:26:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu for instance, doesn't

23:27:18 asciilifeform: the best car is a dirigible.

23:27:25 kakobrekla: care to elaborate to us noobs how is 'bitserial' better than 'multibit'?

23:28:03 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you can pick your word width !

23:28:23 asciilifeform: 5 if you like. 17. 65537.

23:28:26 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: say you want to pop up to montreal for the week, so you rent something fast, enjoy yourself with pet. road trip chats are quite unlike anything else.

23:28:45 asciilifeform: airplane. cabs.

23:29:09 pete_dushenski: airplanes come with tsa. cabs come with stinky arabs.

23:29:27 pete_dushenski: neither is any sort of freedom.

23:31:34 pete_dushenski: and wtf a 10 hour cab ride would cost a grand+. each way. you can fly to amsterdam for that. or rent porsche from rental company for drive.

23:31:53 asciilifeform: wai why would i ten hour cab.

23:31:58 asciilifeform: that is what airplane is for ?

23:32:23 pete_dushenski: this is fantasy trip to montreal, recall. you said cab man, not me.

23:32:42 asciilifeform: and what to do with porsche ? it goes at same speed as toyota in traffic.

23:32:49 asciilifeform: take it to the desert ?

23:33:07 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i meant, airplane to it, and the cab inside.

23:33:45 pete_dushenski: well, don't drive in traffic. take scenic route. that's the whole point of car. the scenery. as well as the ability to stop here for lunch and there for coffee and over there for an ice cream, etc.

23:34:14 pete_dushenski: too aristocratic for you ? not 'efficient' enough ?

23:34:28 pete_dushenski: then take plane. no one will stop you.

23:35:40 pete_dushenski: and if you're going to take car to desert, make sure it's the utah salt flats https://talesfromthebatcoupedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/img_0573.jpg

23:35:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7dm8h )

23:37:20 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: nothing aristocratic about driving own machine imho

23:37:58 asciilifeform: but i have nfi, i'm not an aristocrat

23:39:59 pete_dushenski: there's everything aristocratic about owning the means of production and transportation. why do you think 'car sharing' and 'sharing economy' are so in vogue with the impoverished masters degree set ?

23:40:28 pete_dushenski: hell, even owning your own hdd/sdd is becoming a Big Deal.

23:43:21 asciilifeform: eh its just elementary chumpatronics.

23:43:32 asciilifeform: imbeciles conned into pseudo-'cheaper'

23:43:43 asciilifeform: it is not because anyone literally cannot afford hdd

23:44:02 asciilifeform: and pretty much anyone in usa can afford an old car (they start at a few hundy)

23:44:18 jurov: so where's the difference?

23:44:41 asciilifeform: between what?

23:45:18 jurov: are you sayind driving own car and driving own hdd is different or it is not or?

23:45:33 asciilifeform: not really similar other than in cost

23:45:57 jurov: and how so?

23:46:13 asciilifeform: driving yourself, on public streets, is still rather like 'cloud storage'

23:46:30 asciilifeform: the equivalent of 'your own hdd' transportation-wise would be, perhaps, a chopper.

23:47:08 jurov: you're seeing it with completely different angle

23:48:38 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that's an apt analogy in that both car and hdd are superficially affordable, but not practically. old car costs hundreds if not thousands in unexpected maintenance EVERY YEAR. hdd costs time, space, troubleshooting, etcetc. a car you own outright (ie. no debt payments), like a desktop you own outright (ie. no winbloze avec nsa) are exceedingly high-end appointments. neither is 'accessible' in any way.

23:50:10 asciilifeform: i dun see it re: the desktop.

23:50:15 asciilifeform: it costs precious little.

23:50:26 asciilifeform: (unless you're a jungle man in which case it costs infinity.)

23:50:29 *: asciilifeform bbl.

23:54:45 pete_dushenski: if you're not making $100k++ per annum and cannot afford extra rooms in house or apartment to enjoy as 'office', then yes, a jungle man is you. in which case, you're using a phablet primarily and a dusty laptop on rare occasions when you need to print a document. the only exception being, perhaps, g4amerz.