Transcript for 22-05-2013, 1989 lines:
00:00:40 Uglux: is there a theymos post about the new trust system?
00:01:30 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: technically, i could calculate the value of the shares i own in your AM 100PT and list that as risked BTC
00:01:44 fiat500: and then when it crashes and you default i can say scammed
00:02:36 mircea_popescu: i think you need it to be in ripple for that.
00:02:43 fiat500: LOL
00:03:06 fiat500: he could just give me an IOU
00:03:11 fiat500: problem solved
00:07:21 fiat500: i for one am glad we have scammers
00:07:33 fiat500: imagine the alternative, no scammers at all, every single fucking thing is 100% legit
00:07:41 fiat500: imagine your paranoia then
00:08:17 truffles: now thats a twisted way of thinking
00:08:53 fiat500: too good to be true, and then you start doubting everything, pretty soon you are in the matrix
00:09:06 truffles: this is the matrix!
00:10:04 mircea_popescu: lol
00:10:41 fiat500: if it werent for scammers, i wouldnt be able to trust anyone
00:11:49 truffles: two words: long con
00:12:20 BitHub: you think that's air you're breathing now?
00:13:02 dub: mircea_popescu: heh was talkign to a buddy on saturday night who is travelling to canada in a few weeks for work and thinking about heading down to new york for a few days 'but the wife will kill me for going there without her, fucking sex in the city'
00:13:53 BitHub: cool story hanzel
00:14:26 truffles: ya
00:14:53 truffles: nobody wants to go to canada heh
00:15:28 Namworld: Nobody wants to but everybody likes Canada...
00:15:40 dub: except canadians
00:15:42 Namworld: They should stop whining and just try
00:16:17 fiat500: just the tip, just to see how it feels
00:16:30 ThickAsThieves: [20:01] <fiat500> ThickAsThieves: technically, i could calculate the value of the shares i own in your AM 100PT and list that as risked BTC <<< go for it
00:16:48 Namworld: EEEXAACTLYYYYYYYYyyy
00:16:53 ThickAsThieves: I consider myself to have risk in a similar way through Burnside/Ukto/topace
00:17:00 Namworld: Thank you, fiat500, for pointing it out
00:17:01 fiat500: but then id be taking part in that joke and im not interested
00:17:12 fiat500: its a joke right?
00:17:25 truffles: <fiat500> just the tip, just to see how it feels>>> memories
00:18:54 fiat500: good ones? :)
00:19:00 dub: it just got wierd in here
00:19:02 truffles: ofc
00:20:40 ThickAsThieves: looks like btctc getting ddos attacked again
00:21:14 Uglux: victim of their own success ...
00:25:00 Namworld: Victim of DDoS'ers*
00:26:21 Uglux: god i fuckin hate gox every time i'm reminded of them
00:27:48 dub: amen brother
00:30:30 kakobrekla: this is quite priceless
00:30:50 kakobrekla: Caption: BFL Josh (left) watches studiously as Yifu and Team Avalon (pictured right) school him on ASICs and product development.
00:31:44 Uglux: yea its drama gold :)
00:31:50 dub: where is that?
00:32:12 kakobrekla: at the bitcoin conf
00:32:17 truffles: he has the face of doucher..
00:32:42 truffles: (guy on left)
00:32:48 bdk_kluge: Is he laughing about Josh's collection plate being empty?
00:33:05 bdk_kluge: (Hey, Goat... anything exciting with you, these days?)
00:33:59 kakobrekla: haha yeah that asic wafer looks like a gold pan/sieve
00:34:02 kakobrekla: and its empty
00:34:26 Guest34374: kakobrekla the bitfury's ?
00:34:31 Guest34374: doh.
00:34:35 kakobrekla: wha?
00:34:49 mircea_popescu: the wafer.
00:34:53 mircea_popescu: o nm bfl.
00:34:56 kakobrekla: wafer is bfls
00:35:13 kakobrekla: yifu accually has the chip
00:35:18 mircea_popescu: o ?!
00:35:19 kakobrekla: doesnt need no wafer to display
00:35:23 kakobrekla: yifu = avalon
00:35:27 mircea_popescu: a yeah.
00:35:31 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/
00:40:04 fiat500: retards btct didnt change the direct CNAME for their server
00:40:10 fiat500: recipe for disaster
00:41:57 mircea_popescu: whatcouldpossibly.jpg
00:42:29 fiat500: direct.btct.co resolves to 184.108.40.206 which is currently down
00:43:03 fiat500: whole point of using cloudflare is to hide your server, if you keep the default "direct" CNAME you are a total moron
00:44:30 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: looks like its back now
00:44:32 mircea_popescu: lies.
00:58:55 burnside: fiat500, yoah
00:58:56 deadweasel: ;;ticker\
00:59:29 truffles: fail
00:59:46 truffles: ;;ticker
01:00:12 burnside: direct.btct.co does not point at any btct.co hosts...
01:00:37 ericmuyser: burnside: hey burnside, curious why there's a fee on expiring bids?
01:00:43 burnside: so target at will.
01:01:21 burnside: ericmuyser, to encourage not using expiring bids
01:01:28 burnside: more orders on the books, better volume
01:01:45 ericmuyser: or discourage using it rather, haha, okay cool
01:02:04 burnside: yeah, the fee is tiny
01:02:20 ericmuyser: so then if you cancel the bid, you pay the fee? or only on trade execution
01:02:35 burnside: you pay the fee when the order is placed
01:02:38 burnside: no refunds.
01:03:18 burnside: If it went at trade execution then it wouldn't have the intended effect
01:03:18 ericmuyser: sweet thanks
01:03:21 burnside: np
01:03:59 Namworld: Just see the automated expiry on orders as an extra service
01:04:43 ericmuyser: burnside: oh sorry I meant the fee for playing a bid, not the fee for expiring the bid. you pay that even if you cancel?
01:04:49 ericmuyser: placing a bid*
01:06:15 burnside: ahhh, no, the 0.25% fee is applied when the trade is executed.
01:09:49 burnside: sorry about the interruption with the site btw. I introduced an infinite loop somewhere in one of the upkeep crons. Co-worker caught it before it went unresponsive and said I had a cron process eating several GB of ram. ;)
01:10:10 burnside: working on tracking that down...
01:47:04 dub: you pay a fee for placing an order on btct?
01:49:07 ThickAsThieves: no
01:49:11 ThickAsThieves: they have a feature
01:49:17 ThickAsThieves: expiring orders
01:49:23 ThickAsThieves: which carry a fee
01:49:34 dub: right
01:50:28 mjr_: sup all
01:50:53 ThickAsThieves: sup
01:51:08 kakobrekla: im afraid my answer is unchanged
01:53:40 mjr_: not the best
01:54:09 mjr_: but i think it went ok, the guys from berlin are going to start one in that neighborhood, someone in paris wants to, as well as sydney australia
01:54:29 truffles: oh i said u had a doucher face oops
01:54:34 mjr_: lol
01:54:34 ThickAsThieves: 24hr vol for AM across all PTs is about 7000btc
01:54:47 mjr_: its ok
01:55:34 truffles: boy r u nervous heh
01:55:52 ThickAsThieves: he seems fine to me
01:56:27 truffles: yea speaking well, i just see fidgeting
01:58:09 ThickAsThieves: mjr i didnt even realize you had gone this far with software
01:58:12 ThickAsThieves: pretty cool
01:58:31 truffles: short and to the point, good job
01:59:56 ThickAsThieves: "web of trust, full of scammers"
02:00:00 ThickAsThieves: ^ dub
02:00:12 truffles: lol i just heard that
02:00:26 ThickAsThieves: hehe
02:03:07 dub: is that like a dragons den panel
02:03:16 error4733: Bad day for SDICE...
02:03:16 truffles: in my defense mjr u had one of these http://images.clipartof.com/small/1045711-Cartoon-Black-And-White-Outline-Design-Of-A-Sneaky-Dog-Grinning-Poster-Art-Print.jpg
02:04:07 ThickAsThieves: bad months for SDICE, really
02:04:44 dub: ThickAsThieves: you're still missing the point, I'f I;ve gone looking for the otc wot I've already crossed a lot of bridges that someone access the default community for bitcion has
02:05:06 dub: accessing
02:06:18 truffles: u means noobs wouldnt be looking for -otc wot?
02:06:42 ThickAsThieves: i was referred to wot after being in bitcoin world for 2 weeks
02:06:55 Chaang-Noi: was sleeoing, but no. im sure you will take care of it:)
02:07:17 truffles: TAT u are far more patient that some of us
02:07:31 ThickAsThieves: i'm easily trolled
02:07:33 ThickAsThieves: ;)
02:08:02 truffles: i cant see that
02:08:05 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
02:08:16 ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
02:11:40 kakobrekla: cool vid mjr_
02:11:59 ericmuyser: where does sdice profit go? not in divs..
02:12:02 dub: yeah very nice
02:12:35 dub: I actually didn't want to punch mjr in the face after watching that
02:12:39 dub: a bitcoin first
02:12:45 kakobrekla: lol
02:13:05 ericmuyser: dub: me either
02:13:16 ThickAsThieves: [22:12] <ericmuyser> where does sdice profit go? not in divs.. <<< what profit?
02:41:29 mjr_: this shit is insane
02:41:47 mjr_: i believe that right now (as of may 1st) s.dice is trading at a p/e ratio of .28
02:42:56 mjr_: that is insanely undervalued
02:43:13 dub: what does that change to when eric is eating cockmeat sandwich in gitmo?
02:43:37 Diablo-D3: mjr_: p/e ratios might not work the same in bitcoinland
02:43:38 bdk_kluge: I'd imagine Gitmo has a relatively low level of anal rape.
02:44:05 dub: you need to watch harold and kumar go to gitmo
02:44:06 bdk_kluge: (though if you're eating a cockmeat sandwich.... IRC needs edit)
02:44:18 Diablo-D3: dub: no one needs to watch that.
02:44:27 dub: its great
02:44:32 mjr_: Diablo-D3: possible
02:44:38 mjr_: but that is just insane for any company
02:44:46 mjr_: i mean under 10 usually means undervalued
02:44:48 Diablo-D3: mjr_: remember, sdice is a scam and illegal
02:44:53 mjr_: LOL
02:45:01 Diablo-D3: mjr_: so thats probably why its so low
02:45:08 error4733: as bitcoin
02:45:09 mjr_: i'm saying that it is an order of magnitude smaller in P/E
02:45:19 mjr_: its earnings are historical facts
02:45:21 Diablo-D3: mjr_: and 10? no
02:45:24 mjr_: as is its current price
02:45:30 Diablo-D3: 10 for p/e is rather overvalued imo
02:45:38 mjr_: lol
02:45:39 mjr_: not to most
02:45:45 mjr_: 25 and above is normal for tech stocks
02:46:01 Diablo-D3: and p/e sucks, you should be using peg for that metric
02:46:02 mjr_: or any company with high projected earnings
02:46:07 mjr_: just saying
02:46:16 Diablo-D3: peg = p/e to growth
02:46:20 mjr_: that is an extremely low p/e, not that it means buy
02:46:35 mjr_: but that it is an extremely efficient company at generating profits
02:46:41 Diablo-D3: yes
02:46:46 Diablo-D3: there are a lot of other metrics I bet it fails
02:46:56 Diablo-D3: such as not being 5 years old yet
02:47:02 mjr_: most of the time really low p/e either means declining profits OR very undervalued
02:47:04 bdk_kluge: I wonder if SDICE could make itself autotonous to a point where there are multiple servers in diff. nations, dividends are calculated and paid by a program, etc.
02:47:35 bdk_kluge: Then just take SDICE off public exchanges...
02:47:38 mjr_: i personally think that with bitcoin as its holdings...its earnings in USD will be awesome
02:47:55 error4733: yes it's possible with colored coins
02:49:54 error4733: 100.000.000 coins colored "Sdice"
02:50:47 error4733: is so clear & simple
02:51:10 bdk_kluge: Seems like SDICE would be much more valuable that way...
02:53:04 error4733: using ripple to sold or buy !! we have some powerful tool ! like internet in 1995, we still do not know what to do with
02:54:43 joecool: JAJAJA!
02:54:58 dub: dice would be more valuable anyone expected it to survive
02:55:16 mjr_: lol, i think the chances of it shutting down are lower than its p/e ratio
02:55:23 dub: its pointless to speculate with so you need the balls to hold on to it long term
02:55:41 dub: and with its recent ban from US customers the future is far from rosey
02:56:05 dub: that and its OP is an asshole
02:58:00 error4733: with 20Kbtc, you stop to be an asshole, you're my best friend
03:00:03 mjr_: LOL, "shut down" to US customers
03:00:11 mjr_: as if the website had any purpose at all
03:00:24 dub: something has clearly spooked eric
03:00:39 mjr_: nah,
03:00:46 dub: its an about face from his swinging dick libertard bravado
03:00:49 error4733: mjr, hard to understand for a judge
03:00:52 mjr_: he just figured why not, and he was coming into the states
03:01:03 dub: why not? lol
03:01:05 mjr_: yes, judges think he did his best effort not to service us customers
03:01:26 error4733: yes, its the only purposes
03:01:43 dub: I'm just gonn acut off one of my balls, I figure why not?
03:01:51 mjr_: eh, we'll see
03:02:10 error4733: he never touch a $, he cut all link with US
03:02:14 error4733: good for him
03:02:18 error4733: good for SDICE
03:02:31 dub: yes, we will see
03:03:32 error4733: all i see it's a whales, but not a good one
03:05:11 error4733: ;;google megalodon
03:22:17 truffles: im can be mean(or an ass) but try not to be, to people i like so.. im sorry mjr
04:46:12 ericmuyser: i don't like how blockchain.info shows transactions in USD.. trying to get away from this and anyway can't search for a BTC amount on the page wtf?
04:47:44 aknap3: ericmuyser: there's an advanced bar at the bottom of the page that lets you pick currency
04:49:55 ericmuyser: aknap3: thank you!
06:05:06 thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Good read. :D Oh man.
08:51:09 mircea_popescu: qxzn hey there.
08:51:55 qxzn: howdy
08:52:09 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
08:52:26 mircea_popescu: nothin' much, everyone chillin'
08:56:45 parseval: Ugh, there is nothing like a simple fix that you overlook
09:20:26 jurov: hahaha it got removed before i could quote it
09:20:59 jurov: OP REPLIED TO ME "someone don't know the difference between turnover/revenue and share price"
09:21:16 jurov: damn capsl
09:29:58 mircea_popescu: lol at that thread.
09:30:00 mircea_popescu: da fuck is wrong with these people.
09:30:38 fiat500: well - they're asking him valid questions?
09:31:01 mircea_popescu: not the other people in that thread.
09:31:17 mircea_popescu: the countless idiots who keep going "herp, i am going to start a new country"
09:31:29 mircea_popescu: like the original poster. there's about one a day since about march.
09:31:31 fiat500: LOL
09:31:50 mircea_popescu: no but seriously, he's done it in civ AND in settlers IV
09:31:53 mircea_popescu: how hard could it be ?
09:32:11 mircea_popescu: just needs to find the right button to cluck at.
09:33:39 fiat500: hahahahaha
09:37:49 davout: what would be fun would be someone starting a clinic based on his theme hospital experience
09:38:07 mircea_popescu: 0.o
09:38:19 mircea_popescu: dude. a psych hospital staffed by ex psych patiens.
09:38:35 mircea_popescu: this could be an excellent novel. great premise.
09:38:39 mircea_popescu: need a boris vian to execute it.
09:38:51 davout: but that's actually what's happening already
09:39:07 davout: why would anyone with a sane mind work in a psychiatric hospital
09:39:17 mircea_popescu: which is why it's so good.
09:39:24 mircea_popescu: i have done a number of psych undergrads and i can attest none were sane.
09:39:30 fiat500: mircea_popescu: im sure you read about that kid who grew up on sealand, got kidnapped by a gang of german/dutch thugs and held at gunpoint
09:39:40 mircea_popescu: this could of course simply be caused by them being femals.
09:39:58 mircea_popescu: fiat500 the guy's son neh ?
09:40:23 fiat500: yes lol
09:40:30 mircea_popescu: a poil leul
09:40:39 fiat500: he did an AMA on reddit few months back
09:40:47 davout: :-)
09:41:24 fiat500: LOL@ those remotes
09:41:43 mircea_popescu: ma meuf a moi, elle me port'en voitureeee
09:41:50 davout: LOL
09:42:01 davout: it's actually understandable
09:42:20 davout: ta meuf c'est ton chauffeur quoi
09:42:50 mircea_popescu: oue
09:43:35 mircea_popescu: of course it may come as a shock to the prissy english types
09:43:52 mircea_popescu: that the way to order a girl in the nude in french refers to her body hair.
09:44:04 davout: it's actually for guys too
09:44:15 fiat500: >_>
09:44:48 davout: please refer to this masterpiece of french culture for more information regarding this delicious expression :
09:48:01 mjr_: ah, i've missed hanging out in assets
09:50:08 mjr_: hi TradeFortress
09:50:18 TradeFortress: hi mjr_!
09:53:37 mjr_: There's a tendency for every Ripple related thread to turn into discussions about Ripple. It's certainly not very productive.
09:53:47 mjr_: LOL ^^^ THIS
09:54:06 TradeFortress: mjr_, ESPECIALLY when the topic is called "
09:54:06 TradeFortress: Re: Ripple trying to take over the Bitcoin Discussion thread "
09:54:24 mjr_: yes, i have basically put ripple to bed in my mind
09:54:41 mjr_: i'm done thinking of it
09:54:46 TradeFortress: Ripple threads even invaded the donators section
09:54:57 mjr_: and they were at the conference
09:55:09 mjr_: i was like, why isn't litecoin here? or namecoin
09:56:07 TradeFortress: there are people actively working on litecoin and namecoin?
09:56:10 TradeFortress: :P
10:00:52 JTM29: .msg nickserv help register
10:01:07 JTM29: :/
10:06:03 mjr_: TradeFortress: i think there are people mining them no?
10:06:23 TradeFortress: mjr_, yeah, but there's pretty much zero development.
10:10:31 fiat500: my heroes
10:10:49 Chaang-Noi: yeah, why pay taxes? tax avoidance is the correct thing to do
10:10:56 Chaang-Noi: congress just jelly
10:11:47 Chaang-Noi: <TradeFortress> there are people actively working on litecoin and namecoin? litecoins yes, namecoin im not so sure
10:12:21 Chaang-Noi: <TradeFortress> mjr_, yeah, but there's pretty much zero development. not true, ltc is just avoind the fuck ups btc ran into and will avoid the bad database thing and not get forked
10:12:39 Chaang-Noi: you will see a major release soon as we are done testing
10:13:02 Chaang-Noi: yes we tested longer and harder than the btc people do...
10:20:07 mircea_popescu: TradeFortress hey, you involved wiuth the new trust thing on btctalk ?
10:20:21 Chaang-Noi: involved with, everyone who has an account has it
10:20:33 Chaang-Noi: it is more or less forced if you post in the market place section
10:20:35 TradeFortress: Involved as in theymos trusted me, and because of the way it works my feedback is shown by default
10:20:44 mircea_popescu: but you didn't code it or anything ?
10:20:48 TradeFortress: Nope
10:20:54 mircea_popescu: do you know who did ?
10:20:58 TradeFortress: Other user's feedback aren't shown by default. theymos did obviously
10:21:14 mircea_popescu: a ok. do you know how it's implemented or is it documented anywhere ?
10:21:17 TradeFortress: while not escaping user inputs, leading to a XSS where some attacker can steal his session
10:21:24 Chaang-Noi: it shows by default in the market place section right?
10:21:26 mircea_popescu: lmao what.
10:21:32 TradeFortress: Chaang-Noi, only "trusted" feedback
10:21:47 TradeFortress: If I rate someone, it shows up as +1 or what, if smoothie rates someone it doesn't count
10:21:56 Chaang-Noi: i see
10:21:58 TradeFortress: But you can trust smoothie for example and then smoothie's feedback will count
10:22:14 Chaang-Noi: interesting
10:22:14 mircea_popescu: so basically it actually works like the wot.
10:22:30 TradeFortress: Pretty much. No global scores, which forces people to not look at the sum and actually at individual ratings
10:22:37 TradeFortress: there's also the difference where instead of score it's based on risked btc
10:22:46 mircea_popescu: wait i thought that what it was, a global score ? as in 0/-0 we
10:22:51 mircea_popescu: did i misunderstand that line ?
10:22:56 mircea_popescu: also dub you copyin'
10:22:59 mircea_popescu: this ?
10:23:14 TradeFortress: There is the "default" score. If you trust no one (which you do at first), you trust theymos
10:23:23 TradeFortress: and because it's a web, people who theymos trusts's feedback matter.
10:23:37 TradeFortress: and people who theymos trusted's trusted people matter. only up to this level unless you change yoru setting.
10:23:45 TradeFortress: You can build your own web of trust, and see different scores to other people.
10:23:57 Chaang-Noi: interesting
10:23:58 mircea_popescu: yeah. but what it displays is the actual sum total of trust ratings
10:24:25 TradeFortress: the actual Trust: number is some weird undisclosed algorithm that takes in account risked BTCs, age and whatever
10:24:58 mircea_popescu: uh.
10:25:04 mircea_popescu: so basically secret sauce ?
10:25:23 fiat500: age?
10:25:26 TradeFortress: age of feedback
10:25:32 TradeFortress: oh wow
10:25:33 fiat500: oh lol
10:25:36 mircea_popescu: somebody should tell that fucktard he's completely misread the fincen clarification
10:25:40 mircea_popescu: if he even actually read it.
10:25:59 TradeFortress: ^^
10:27:05 fiat500: ^ interesting
10:27:16 mircea_popescu: " An administrator or exchanger is not a provider or seller of prepaid access, or a dealer in foreign exchange, under FinCEN's regulations."
10:27:18 mircea_popescu: duh.
10:27:52 TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, through lots of people have came to lots of different conclusions. typical doublespeak stuff.
10:28:10 mircea_popescu: TradeFortress yeah, but lots of people of this sort : http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/
10:28:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, so back to the trust thing on bitcointalk (i'm trying to discern if i'm going to add using it to the girl's workload)
10:28:52 mircea_popescu: is there some way to actually check the web of trust behind the rating ?
10:28:57 mircea_popescu: (ie, who trusted who, something like
10:29:01 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust TradeFortress
10:29:06 TradeFortress: yeah, here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=67058
10:29:08 mircea_popescu: like that graph
10:29:18 TradeFortress: no graphs but I requested that
10:29:34 mircea_popescu: i don't have an acct. pastebin that page please ?
10:30:01 TradeFortress: lol, funny thing is you used to get a database error if you tride to access that page without logging in
10:31:56 TradeFortress: On forum posts, those with a positive trust rating has a green color, and those with a negative rating gets a red warning.
10:32:09 mircea_popescu: well the one thing they did right is they took away the [1,10] cruft
10:32:11 mircea_popescu: nanotube ^
10:32:16 mircea_popescu: (you saw this ?)
10:32:47 mircea_popescu: TradeFortress but positive/negative to your account so diff people see diff coloring ?
10:34:10 TradeFortress: correct
10:34:28 TradeFortress: 95% of forum users won't change defaults through, so there is kinda a global rating.
10:34:52 Chaang-Noi: but some peoples feedback will not count, like smoothie, he should not even bother?
10:34:54 mircea_popescu: i guess so. how deep does it go ? 3 ?
10:35:20 TradeFortress: default 2 (actually 3), you can set 0-3
10:35:35 TradeFortress: KRS-1, hey, I run coinlenders.
10:35:38 mircea_popescu: lol 0-3 so 2 is 3 mkay. theymos is so weird in places.
10:35:45 KRS-1: =D I was checking out your site
10:35:51 mircea_popescu: anyway, if it's 3 it will diverge rapidly, there won't really be a global rating.
10:36:06 KRS-1: I am reviewing for possible investment
10:36:20 TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, but for people who don't change defaults there's just one rating
10:36:46 mircea_popescu: no, because even if they trust theymos' tree by default, just bvy adding a couple other users they get very diff end results
10:37:06 TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, that's true, I was referring to the people who would leave everything as defaults
10:37:13 TradeFortress: and if you trust anyone you no longer trust theymos by default.
10:37:22 mircea_popescu: i think pretty much everyone trust's nanotube tree by defgault in wot and still there's muich variance and no true global.
10:37:28 mircea_popescu: o really ?
10:37:45 mircea_popescu: this is actually a pretty smart way to go about it.
10:37:54 TradeFortress: assuming that people actually use it
10:38:11 TradeFortress: so far the only default ratings are me or people I trusted :P
10:38:26 mircea_popescu: okay, i[m going to get the girl to do it.
10:38:36 mircea_popescu: i don't see anything massively wrong with it tbh.
10:39:55 TradeFortress: Well, is she going to leave negative feedback (which would result in a giant red warning on people's posts) for inaba/josh and such
10:40:24 mircea_popescu: i'm still working out the rules. i see there's a reference field, which is nice.
10:40:40 mircea_popescu: and since you can introduce 0 btc as risked i think i'm going to make it be something like this :
10:41:13 mircea_popescu: go back through her posting history, -1 everyone "starting up" dumbass businesses she had to drop a see here post to, linking to that post
10:41:20 mircea_popescu: -1 everyone on the immense scammer list
10:41:30 mircea_popescu: then +1 the few people who actually aren't idiots in there
10:41:40 TradeFortress: can't -1, it's positive feedback or scammer (-4)
10:41:51 mircea_popescu: all this on 0 btc because it's not a trading acct.
10:41:56 mircea_popescu: you see a problem with that plan ?
10:42:21 TradeFortress: yes, I might lose my default trust status if theymos doesn't like it
10:42:34 mircea_popescu: well, that's vague.
10:44:01 TradeFortress: I think it's supposed to be actually scamming
10:44:21 mircea_popescu: so then how'd she rate josh, i never bought bfl crud.
10:45:35 TradeFortress: I should probably make a post in the donators section about it
10:45:50 mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at the ranch
10:45:50 mircea_popescu: MPOE-PR um did they nix their system already? trust stuff no longer shows up under ppls names
10:45:50 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> you logged in ?
10:45:50 mircea_popescu: MPOE-PR yep
10:45:50 mircea_popescu: MPOE-PR nothin' related in profile links....
10:45:52 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> hm
10:46:37 mircea_popescu: but anyway : i don't see any serious flaw in it, have the guy explain exactly wtf he wants it to be used as or w/e.
10:46:37 TradeFortress: only in the marketplace section
10:46:47 TradeFortress: does trust show up. and in PMs apparently
10:47:02 mircea_popescu: a, so it's not really for the forum
10:47:21 TradeFortress: yes
10:48:20 mircea_popescu: this is cute lol. i get a 0.
10:48:33 Chaang-Noi: i have 44233
10:48:40 Chaang-Noi: no idea what that means
10:48:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, i take it this is mostly still being worked on.
10:49:02 TradeFortress: that is your user ID heh
10:49:15 Chaang-Noi: right :)
10:59:08 TradeFortress: any questions on coinlenders btw?
10:59:56 KRS-1: not really..i'm looking for some folks who have used it before.
11:00:10 mircea_popescu: conference list got teh first update.
11:00:11 KRS-1: to be honest i am also seeking some investment advice
11:00:22 KRS-1: so i have some additional homework to do first anyway
11:00:27 mircea_popescu: TradeFortress what is it, like your private bond offering ?
11:00:30 KRS-1: what other sites do you use
11:00:32 KRS-1: i mean run
11:01:05 TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, pretty much. variable interest rates || fixed term ones
11:01:18 mircea_popescu: by the way, next time you pull a caper a la ripple
11:01:29 mircea_popescu: insert some fucking disclaimers in the text of the damned thing
11:02:14 TradeFortress: yeah.
11:03:11 mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with making a proof of concept, but the average person with an actual college degree and no prior experience of anything bitcoin should be able to understand from the very text what the score is.
11:03:33 mircea_popescu: this makes the difference from an actual scam.
11:04:47 TradeFortress: in hindsight, I should have wrote 1.01 in the screenshot
11:05:20 TradeFortress: so people'd lose 0.01 BTC at max. I'm still going to get people posting scam accusations, and that webr3 guy
11:05:54 mircea_popescu: the most cogent argument that can be brought is that such stuff will turn off people we actually want/need based on what's fundamentally a misunderstanding
11:06:23 mircea_popescu: it's okay to punish stupidity, especially if wilful. it's not okay to abuse honest misunderstandings.
11:06:49 TradeFortress: Pretty good way to put it.
11:07:03 mircea_popescu: anyway. you know about my conference next year ?
11:09:17 TradeFortress: yeah, looked at it
11:09:42 KRS-1: you need to bring cute Romanian girls in bikinis..That would be leet and make for hawt pics for #bitcoin-anal
11:10:16 TradeFortress: that channel better not exist *clicks*
11:11:44 KRS-1: its on the record that certain Fortresses visited the annals of Bitcoin.
11:11:45 mircea_popescu: TradeFortress i own it.
11:11:53 mircea_popescu: KRS-1 likely actually.
11:12:12 mircea_popescu: i really despise the sausage fests bitcoin conferences are. who da fuck wants to hang out witha buncha doods.
11:12:13 KRS-1: lmao that is bad ass
11:12:28 mjr_: hahaha
11:12:36 mircea_popescu: other than mjr_ of course.
11:13:14 KRS-1: yeah that is my biggest pain in the ass..i go to some clubs and its a sausage party but my friends be like..hang on man we just got here and I have to remind them to look around. Sometimes South Florida is so hit or miss like that makes me thing the male/female ratio is off but it rly isnt.
11:13:59 mircea_popescu: well most women aren't particularly interested in going to clubs
11:14:05 mircea_popescu: which may be due to most clubs being retarded
11:14:07 TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, I might come but it's 1 year ahead . maybe.
11:14:23 mircea_popescu: TradeFortress yea. some people actually need 1 year lead time.
11:14:40 mircea_popescu: but reg is open till early next year so.
11:14:51 TradeFortress: LOL image
11:14:51 TradeFortress: In the middle with the beard is MPOE-PR.
11:15:07 mircea_popescu: heh
11:15:58 KRS-1: the kind of women im interested in are interested in going to clubs
11:16:20 KRS-1: kind that are barely old enough to drink
11:16:36 mircea_popescu: ... why are you interested in 12 yos ?!
11:16:39 mircea_popescu: perv.
11:16:51 KRS-1: lmao is that the drinking age in Romania? Its 21 here in the U.S.
11:17:10 mircea_popescu: ya well we don't do that entire iran thing in europe.
11:18:00 KRS-1: You can keep the Mid East womens..i think women from the Mid East are the last on the list when it comes to good looks and hot bodies.
11:18:30 mjr_: persians can be pretty hot
11:18:32 KRS-1: I gotta make it out to Japan someday, they got that whole hello kitty thing going on there. Plus I'm big in Japan.
11:18:38 mircea_popescu: persian chicks are very hot.
11:18:55 mircea_popescu: and joo girls are often redhaired
11:19:06 KRS-1: rly ..i shall have to check for persian womens sites.
11:19:51 mircea_popescu: persia is where it all begun.
11:19:56 mircea_popescu: fruit trees come from there,
11:19:58 mircea_popescu: roses come from there
11:20:00 mircea_popescu: cows come from there
11:20:03 mircea_popescu: women come from there
11:20:07 mircea_popescu: it's ground zero.
11:24:58 KRS-1: my nephew dated a persian girl..which is very out of the ordinary for where we live
11:25:30 TradeFortress: someone made a nice client for coinchat. http://chromaticcreative.net/bitcoin/moobot/flatapp.php
11:27:22 mircea_popescu: KRS-1 why, you don't date around there ?
11:29:22 parseval: I think I'm going to build a cumulative depth chart for the BTC-TC securities
11:29:22 KRS-1: sure i do, there is a good mix of other ethnicities
11:30:01 KRS-1: im just picky to tall females with B+ breasts, blonde hair and young (college girl) looks
11:30:05 parseval: Similar to bitcoinity's chart for MtGox
11:30:13 KRS-1: some peole say im too picky
11:30:19 Diablo-D3: B+? meh.
11:30:22 Diablo-D3: C+ kthx
11:30:28 KRS-1: anything more than a handfull is a waste
11:30:56 Diablo-D3: says the pedo.
11:31:12 TradeFortress: parseval, you mean with change bars and such
11:31:43 parseval: Well, the change bars will be difficult, I'll start with the plotlines
11:32:21 parseval: I don't store the data historically, and only poll the API every 10 minutes or so to be a friendly API consumer
11:33:12 parseval: But yeah, that V chart is the cumulative depth chart
11:33:30 TradeFortress: But isn't there already one..
11:34:37 parseval: Yeah, there is, but I think I can expand on it a bit with some tooltips to say exactly how many units need to be sold to drop the price down to a certain level
11:36:44 TradeFortress: oh, looks pretty nice. better than flot or whatever btct.co is currently using
11:37:31 parseval: Thanks. I've got all of the assets built into that site, if you are interested then check the Asset Listing dropdown for others
11:38:20 TradeFortress: harass ukto for bitfunder API
11:38:41 parseval: Yeah, I asked in the IRC once but he wasn't there at the time. I need to be more persistent
11:39:27 parseval: I'd love to get charts for both of them, mpex too if possible at some point without paying 30 BTC for data access
11:44:20 Chaang-Noi: has anyone ever owned a jeep, i see they are selling automatics 4w drive, would not manual be better?
11:45:34 JTM29: Autos would be heaps easier for 4wding
11:45:37 KRS-1: manual would be better in all cases..stay away from the luxury models, the more simple utilitarian models are the best for durability and survival. the "nice" ones arent worth a crap
11:46:06 Chaang-Noi: hmm
11:46:13 Chaang-Noi: i got two answers and they conflict
11:46:30 KRS-1: i'd rather own an older model toyota if i had to survive.
11:46:33 Chaang-Noi: i found a dealership that will take btc for jeeps
11:46:47 JTM29: Haha well thats my opinion, been 4wding in a manual and it was a pain in the ass (although i was still learning manual)
11:46:48 KRS-1: lol nice..car salesmen would do anything for a sale here in the 'states
11:46:58 Chaang-Noi: money is not an issue, i have always had manuals, but racing cars, i dont know much about 4wd off roading
11:47:19 mircea_popescu: 0.o
11:47:31 KRS-1: one thing to look for is a real locking differential not "all wheel drive" but true 4X4 and preferably a full axle up front not independent
11:47:36 ThickAsThieves: I had a jeep for 5 or so years
11:47:43 ThickAsThieves: I used the 4WD once
11:47:52 Chaang-Noi: somethig like that
11:48:10 KRS-1: its what we do where i live =D I have a diesel 2006 Ford F250 4X4 but its not the best for off road, will it get the job done? hell yes but not the best
11:48:49 Chaang-Noi: i have a big ass truck here in thailand, im just going to buy a jeep for when i go camping in wyoming this summer
11:49:19 Chaang-Noi: but im shocked to see automatics being sold as more or less standard
11:49:24 KRS-1: thats awesome
11:49:43 KRS-1: automatics arent bad, but i wouldnt want to depend on them, plus they run hotter, they need to be cooled you know
11:50:02 Chaang-Noi: fuck it, im just going to get a manual
11:50:22 Chaang-Noi: it seems odds driving autos anyway, and the idea of a jeep doing so is just shocking to me
11:50:50 Chaang-Noi: now what colour :/ red black or grey
11:50:52 parseval: I think manual is more fun anyway
11:50:52 JTM29: Driving a manual is usually more fun :P
11:50:57 parseval: lol
11:50:59 Chaang-Noi: yeah
11:51:05 Chaang-Noi: i was thinking so
11:51:09 Chaang-Noi: more control
11:51:12 mircea_popescu: * Freenode announcement * The topic is now baseball.
11:51:35 Chaang-Noi: the jeep will be a btc asset cuz it is an asset bought with btc :)
11:51:46 JTM29: Nice :D
11:52:17 Chaang-Noi: ill let my wife pick the colour. limited to black red and grey...
12:01:30 Chaang-Noi: they only have one that is manual wtf?
12:05:15 ThickAsThieves: jurov >>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212761.msg2233480#msg2233480
12:05:40 deadweasel: Chaang-Noi: get the manual
12:06:18 jurov: ThickAsThieves: so i should search some proof some months ago. so nice of you.
12:06:42 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves link to the proof ?
12:06:58 jurov: TradeFortress: how do i actually rate an user? i fail to find anything in profile or wherever
12:07:26 Chaang-Noi: deadweasel they only have this one on the whole loet!! http://www.overlandparkjeepdodge.net/new/Jeep/2013-Jeep-Wrangler+Unlimited-4b3de83b0a0a00e000b3826fab55649b.htm
12:07:37 TradeFortress: jurov, in a marketplace post, you click on the "Trust:" link
12:07:48 TradeFortress: I'll trust you first so it'll actually show up
12:10:33 deadweasel: Chaang-Noi: 6 cyl manual.. what's the problem? I would never buy a 4 dr jeep, but maybe you have a family.. i dunno.
12:10:46 Chaang-Noi: have a family
12:11:08 Chaang-Noi: this will be my non sports car tht also pulls that boat you all saw before
12:11:16 jurov: TradeFortress: my id is 51125 . and i'm trying to rate mpoe-pr,. always get db error
12:11:17 deadweasel: ah, so it's perfect!
12:11:30 TradeFortress: lol db error
12:11:31 Chaang-Noi: i just wish it was not the only manual on the lot :(
12:11:34 TradeFortress: what are you trying to do?
12:11:36 Chaang-Noi: i like red or black better
12:11:37 ThickAsThieves: it was discussed in channel
12:11:42 ThickAsThieves: but I'll dig it up
12:11:44 jurov: maybe i'm overstepping maximal btc amount, what is it?
12:11:51 deadweasel: i hear you, I figured it would be easier to find them over there.
12:11:51 TradeFortress: 1e+16
12:11:57 TradeFortress: something like that
12:12:02 Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: I didn't see you at the conference!
12:12:13 Chaang-Noi: they have like 27 all auto but one
12:12:15 TradeFortress: k jurov your ratings now show up to people with default settings
12:12:23 Chaang-Noi: luke i had to be in court today in thailand
12:12:46 mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr he probably wasn't in the bfl booth ?
12:12:54 Chaang-Noi: im shocked so many people went to be honest
12:13:10 BitHub: bfl were brave to show their faces there
12:13:17 BitHub: did anyone hit them up for their unit?
12:13:18 Chaang-Noi: i bet!
12:13:31 mircea_popescu: just some fans.
12:14:07 mircea_popescu: i was kinda curious to see if teh community organises something like the nobel prize awarding, but with quarters instead of pens
12:14:07 Luke-Jr: BitHub: me, gigavps, and another guy were arguing over who gets which one
12:14:09 Luke-Jr: :P
12:14:16 mircea_popescu: just walk up to josh leave a quarter on his table
12:14:24 mircea_popescu: "you've been voted most idiotic thing of 2012"
12:14:51 BitHub: i wonder if they were taking preorders at the conference
12:15:09 ThickAsThieves: jurov, mp >>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1834765#msg1834765
12:15:31 ThickAsThieves: I didn't also list BTC/USD rates within the post
12:15:39 ThickAsThieves: but as you recall, the time frame was up up up
12:15:42 mircea_popescu: yeah
12:16:00 mircea_popescu: yeah that's pretty good evidence really.
12:17:12 BitHub: you should share the love Luke-Jr
12:17:37 BitHub: using the bfl that butterfly labs gave you to buy asicminer gear isn't very ethical
12:17:41 Luke-Jr: BitHub: they weren't
12:18:12 Luke-Jr: BitHub: BFL gave me something?
12:18:55 Luke-Jr: oh, you mean the 5% of my paid-in-full year-old order?
12:19:12 Luke-Jr: that has been offline for the past week.. :/
12:19:31 Chaang-Noi: why offline??!!??
12:19:37 BitHub: true what happened? btw what do you think of the BFL hardware wallets?
12:19:40 Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: dunno, something happened to it
12:19:49 kakobrekla: it doesnt work
12:19:54 Luke-Jr: BitHub: those seem pretty sweet
12:19:54 Chaang-Noi: like it jsut quit working, or a truck ran over it?
12:20:02 Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: Sonny didn't elaborate.
12:20:17 Chaang-Noi: oh, he pointed it at his own pool :)
12:20:23 BitHub: any idea when they'll be ready? id like to preorder like 100 but don't want to wait a few years for them
12:20:25 Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: but hey, it *was* abusing the power supply..
12:20:43 Chaang-Noi: yeah, prototypes will do that
12:20:43 Luke-Jr: BitHub: not sure
12:20:43 kakobrekla: they need to mine 1k btc quickly for chairty
12:20:59 jurov: ThickAsThieves: I can argue that if you exclude whalespotting between dec 2012 and march 2013 the sd picture isn't so clear
12:21:13 Luke-Jr: I can't say I'm surprised if it just died
12:21:29 Luke-Jr: anyhow, I don't see how spending the income from that on other ASICs is in any way bad
12:21:40 Luke-Jr: not that I have done that yet either
12:21:49 ThickAsThieves: jurov, I could argue the whale went away due to BTC/USD rate
12:21:51 Luke-Jr: but I certainly would if ASICMiner prices were reasonable
12:22:23 Chaang-Noi: btct seems down?
12:22:24 BitHub: like 75 n stuff
12:22:30 BitHub: 50btc still high?
12:22:38 Luke-Jr: BitHub: yeah, for 10 Gh/s
12:22:53 Chaang-Noi: i agree as a miner, but i do not agree as a stock holder
12:22:56 Luke-Jr: I should have tried to talk Yifu into selling me the Avalon he had with him…
12:23:17 Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: well, you have a point there I guess
12:23:21 BitHub: Chaaang-Noi why no free usb for OG shareholders?
12:23:31 WILLdude: Hello
12:23:41 Chaang-Noi: no idea bithub, hi will
12:23:42 Luke-Jr: BitHub: only for the big shareholders I think
12:23:52 Luke-Jr: the ones with the super-secret ML access
12:23:56 mircea_popescu: jurov well it'd be worth seeing the numbers perhaps
12:24:02 Chaang-Noi: 5k plus so so bets the prototypes i think
12:24:11 BitHub: lulz, yeah alot of secret
12:24:14 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves seems unlikely the whale is muchly fiat influenced. you think he bought his stash ?
12:24:15 Chaang-Noi: but honestly im not going to bother, i will odds afre just sell mine
12:24:30 ThickAsThieves: mp, no I think he sold it
12:24:36 WILLdude: I presume the divs haven't been announced yet6.
12:24:48 BitHub: 2 hours or so
12:24:49 Chaang-Noi: will its about 2 to 4 hours too soon
12:25:07 Luke-Jr: I wonder when ASICMiner will stop spamming me with dust
12:25:50 BitHub: funny asicminer ignore all my emails, till i send them one saying i got 450 preorders
12:25:51 Chaang-Noi: you are a stock holder?
12:25:54 Luke-Jr: yes
12:25:56 BitHub: yeah they really care about share holders
12:26:01 jurov: WILLdude: I know at your age the time goes several time slower, but try not to ask the same things every day...
12:26:17 Chaang-Noi: he should focus on selling, not answering questions
12:26:31 Chaang-Noi: he has over 50% of the stock anyway, not like we can do anything
12:26:39 BitHub: well my questions were about selling to the australian market place
12:26:42 WILLdude: Haha soz
12:26:52 Chaang-Noi: btct.co is down, fail
12:27:02 WILLdude: It wasn't really a question.
12:27:07 WILLdude: More of a presumption.
12:27:20 BitHub: i could have had 1000 + preorders if they bothered to answer me a month ago when they first announce the usb's
12:27:40 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ah now that's a good point yes
12:28:15 b0n1: does someone here use international wire to withdraw from mtgox?
12:28:48 b0n1: is there an upper bound on costs through intermediate banks etc. ?
12:29:15 mircea_popescu: a wire costs about $50 or so
12:29:17 mircea_popescu: ballpark figure
12:29:40 Luke-Jr: b0n1: MtGox -> USAA costs about $30
12:29:45 b0n1: the bank of mtgox takes 2000 YEN that are around 20 $
12:30:01 BitHub: that's crazy
12:30:20 Luke-Jr: I raised my limits to $10k, so $30 isn't so much
12:30:25 b0n1: compared to 1% SEPA, its really good price for high amount of withdrawal
12:30:28 b0n1: yes
12:30:30 b0n1: :)
12:30:43 jurov: b0ni: you should be worried about time upper bound instead... i recommend to sell the bitcoins elsewhere or locally instead
12:30:58 BitHub: i miss mtgox codes
12:31:01 jurov: of potentially waiting month or so for mtgox
12:31:02 b0n1: it says international wire 2-5 business days jurov
12:31:02 Luke-Jr: MtGox->USAA takes at most 3 days or so
12:31:08 WILLdude: Who am I kidding? I think I'll sell my bitcoins and get a life.
12:31:10 Luke-Jr: usually 1 or 2
12:31:33 jurov: 2-5 business days hahahahah... i had sepa withdrawals taken 2 weeks
12:31:43 jurov: and that was before mtgox was cool
12:31:47 mircea_popescu: WILLdude what are you trying to accomplish ?
12:31:48 b0n1: yeah SEPA is huge atm
12:32:03 b0n1: but international wire should still be fast
12:32:05 mircea_popescu: jurov they always were slow with sepa because basically they had to launder money to do it.
12:32:21 jurov: and intl wire needs not be laundered?
12:32:28 jurov: i learn every day
12:32:39 WILLdude: IDK
12:32:42 mircea_popescu: i think they can send a wire from their japan bank
12:32:52 mircea_popescu: but sepa transfers obviously you need to send from a sepa bank
12:32:56 WILLdude: Not being an immature git I think.
12:33:00 mircea_popescu: so therefore someone had to interface all this
12:33:08 WILLdude: *arrogant
12:33:17 mircea_popescu: WILLdude that's ok, you can do that with or w/o bitcoins equally well
12:33:42 WILLdude: Not sure.
12:34:21 b0n1: Luke-Jr, was it easy to raise limits? is there anything i have to take care of when i send those guys some data of myself?
12:34:51 Luke-Jr: b0n1: it wasn't too bad, but I took my time going through it
12:34:55 Luke-Jr: wasn't in a hurry
12:35:06 Luke-Jr: I hear there's a long line for verification crap now
12:35:23 b0n1: even if you are already verified the usual way?
12:37:05 jurov: mircea_popescu: you remember these poor canadians than got reply from mtogx after a month "sry, we have no money"?
12:37:05 Luke-Jr: oh
12:37:07 Luke-Jr: then you just ask
12:37:21 mircea_popescu: jurov yes.
12:37:24 jurov: its not just sepa, it's lameness worldwide
12:37:27 mircea_popescu: thar was last month
12:38:26 b0n1: Luke-Jr, so you raised your daily limit to 10k ? did i get this right?
12:38:36 Luke-Jr: b0n1: right
12:38:45 Luke-Jr: monthly is still 50k I think
12:38:52 b0n1: okay
12:39:02 b0n1: usually monthly is 10 k as i read
12:39:12 Luke-Jr: well, as opposed to 31x 10k
12:40:01 b0n1: did you ask to higher that even more?
12:40:35 b0n1: say 100k every month
12:41:18 Luke-Jr: then you need to do the pain-in-the-butt id stuff
12:41:33 Chaang-Noi: i did 100k with fastcash4bitcoins ovr the last 4 days they were open. they do not need verifiaction if you are in the usa
12:41:42 Luke-Jr: oh?
12:41:44 mircea_popescu: so here's a refresher : Chase Manhattan has paid 16bn in litigation costs since 2009
12:41:49 mircea_popescu: that's about 15% of their profit.
12:42:08 Chaang-Noi: fastcash is run by deathandtaxes its an awesome service, they charge 4% spot however
12:42:14 Chaang-Noi: but id rather do that, fuck gox
12:42:25 Chaang-Noi: yeah id pay 4k to not use gox...
12:42:29 Chaang-Noi: fuck gox....
12:42:43 b0n1: ;)
12:43:24 b0n1: do i have to take care on any account ban when i do transfers > 10k a day?
12:43:34 b0n1: to mtgox
12:43:46 Chaang-Noi: mt gox will lcok accounts at random
12:43:56 Chaang-Noi: then demand all sorts of shit
12:43:59 mircea_popescu: as long as you are wiring in you'll be fine.
12:44:01 Chaang-Noi: use at your own risk
12:44:11 mircea_popescu: don't expect any of it back in any shape or form and you'll be even better.
12:44:27 Chaang-Noi: ^ this
12:44:53 b0n1: hm actually i would mostly wire out
12:45:51 Chaang-Noi: sounds like you are a drug dealing terrorist
12:46:00 Chaang-Noi: expect to get your account locked
12:46:19 Chaang-Noi: after all about 55 of the time peole dont verrify, free gox money
12:52:37 Chaang-Noi: off for a pint, catch ya all later
12:53:24 Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
14:20:30 mircea_popescu: I am always on the look out for funds to invest my funds money in.
14:20:35 mircea_popescu: these worlds will be famous
14:21:48 deadweasel: wat
14:22:14 chmod755: wat(tm) and the wat(tm) logo are registered trademarks
14:22:28 deadweasel: wat
14:33:10 jurov: lol, like i asked just few days before glbse closing "what do all these glbse funds invest into? other glbse funds?"
14:36:15 ThickAsThieves: AM dividend = 0.02084164
14:38:28 Diablo-D3: deathandtaxes can be trusted right?
14:43:31 fiat500: ddos?
14:46:14 ThickAsThieves: everything working for me
14:46:28 fiat500: was down about 2hrs ago
14:47:02 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: where were AM divs announced?
14:48:52 jborkl: they are sent through the block chain
14:48:52 ThickAsThieves: in the main AM thread
14:49:05 jborkl: very easy to find
14:49:05 ThickAsThieves: but yes jborkl is correct
14:49:37 Diablo-D3: oh shit
14:49:41 fiat500: how long before they are issued on the PTs usually?
14:49:47 Diablo-D3: its AM div time
14:49:57 fiat500: i own both ASICMINER-PT and TAT.ASICMINER on btct
14:50:23 ThickAsThieves: you'll need to wait til they clear from friedcat, and then clear into the PT operator accounts
14:50:37 ThickAsThieves: I don't have enough spare BTC to pay out super early this time
14:50:54 fiat500: not in a hurry, just curious
14:51:21 Diablo-D3: fiat500: at the very minimum, 12 blocks after friedcat actually sends the divs
14:51:40 fiat500: ok cool
14:51:47 fiat500: thanks guys
14:56:53 BitHub: low asicminer div payout
14:57:05 BitHub: expecting huge selloffs from newbs since divs have been paid to PT
14:57:12 BitHub: when*
14:57:37 ThickAsThieves: eh maybe
14:57:50 ThickAsThieves: still 40% yield at 2.7
14:57:55 ThickAsThieves: yearly
14:58:02 fiat500: its still very high
14:58:13 fiat500: maybe even unrealistically high
15:00:22 ThickAsThieves: Friedcat: "Some of the sales are yet to be finalized, therefore should be counted in the next week's income."
15:00:58 ThickAsThieves: way to lead 'em FC
15:04:32 jcpham: still full derp i see
15:05:09 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: hhhhhehe
15:08:28 truffles: whats it called when u were going to do something then ur mind goes blank!
15:08:39 ThickAsThieves: brain fart
15:10:03 truffles: no i was just going to do it and then it just fizzles out of mind
15:10:38 ThickAsThieves: senior moment
15:10:56 truffles: not that old..
15:11:09 truffles: its fine ill just do something else
15:11:41 ThickAsThieves: esprit d'escalier?
15:12:03 truffles: snails?
15:12:32 ThickAsThieves: spirit of the stairway
15:12:33 truffles: oh
15:12:58 ThickAsThieves: a French term used in English that describes the predicament of thinking of the perfect comeback too late
15:13:25 Chaang-Noi: The site crash a bit ago was due to an infinite loop in some test code. Not related to any DDoS. Wink As the site grows I hope to be able to afford more servers so I can isolate things more. Until then, my apologies for the interruption.
15:13:26 Chaang-Noi: lol
15:13:31 Chaang-Noi: btct ddos self
15:13:44 ThickAsThieves: that was the other ddos
15:13:47 fiat500: LOL
15:13:54 ThickAsThieves: the code was actually in ltcglobal
15:13:57 fiat500: thanks Chaang-Noi
15:13:58 ThickAsThieves: where he was testing first
15:14:02 fiat500: was wondering about that
15:15:22 Chaang-Noi: .02 is pretty decent eh?
15:15:40 ThickAsThieves: yeah
15:15:57 Chaang-Noi: yeah not bad....
15:15:58 ThickAsThieves: especially when you can be fairly confident itll be higher next week
15:16:11 Chaang-Noi: :)
15:16:46 ThickAsThieves: ;;tslb
15:16:57 ThickAsThieves: bleh
15:17:05 ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
15:17:11 ThickAsThieves: nice!
15:17:22 ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
15:17:42 ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
15:18:16 jborkl: that is wrong, we are on block 237378
15:18:43 ThickAsThieves: fukn blockchain.info
15:18:48 thestringpuller: yea
15:18:52 ThickAsThieves: maybe gribble should use a diff source
15:18:52 thestringpuller: weird
15:19:03 ThickAsThieves: ;;gribble cmon now
15:19:04 thestringpuller: I need to upgrade bitcoind
15:19:05 thestringpuller: ugh
15:19:09 jborkl: just run your own bitcoind
15:19:17 jborkl: it is always up to date
15:19:22 thestringpuller: what's the command to see block height in bitcoind
15:19:49 jborkl: well, if you run -qt you can just mouse over the check mark
15:20:10 ThickAsThieves: gribble & assbot are our bitches, if we let them misbehave they'll start learning how to read and then what?
15:22:31 parseval: Skynet
15:23:06 ThickAsThieves: exactly
15:23:18 ThickAsThieves: maybe even Battlestar Galactica
15:38:21 truffles: <ThickAsThieves> maybe even Battlestar Galactica>>>>i was sad when Caprica got cancelled
15:38:52 Chaang-Noi: just did the math on the dividens in usd terms.. god damn, but hald of last week
15:39:53 WILLdude: Hello
15:40:31 truffles: hi
15:42:08 fiat500: truffles: i wasnt
15:42:12 fiat500: caprica was terrible >_>
15:42:17 truffles: no wai
15:42:20 fiat500: i hated the main character
15:42:22 truffles: it got better towards the end
15:42:29 fiat500: blood and chrome is hot tho
15:42:32 truffles: zoe?
15:42:39 fiat500: whatever her name was, really annoying
15:42:51 fiat500: her friends and all the religious crap
15:42:52 fiat500: ugh
15:43:07 truffles: well if u just hate religion pffff
15:43:21 truffles: nobody complains about cult of atheism
15:43:25 Chaang-Noi: who here is a jeep guy?
15:43:27 fiat500: hm? i dont
15:43:45 fiat500: i just thought it was awful
15:43:54 truffles: k
15:44:10 truffles: i think they couldve marketed the show better, it was good imo
15:44:26 fiat500: have you seen blood and chrome?
15:44:29 WILLdude: Sup?
15:44:44 truffles: no i havent?
15:44:49 truffles: spartacus?
15:44:51 fiat500: oh man, you must
15:44:55 fiat500: no its BSG lol
15:44:59 fiat500: miniseries though :(
15:45:37 truffles: yea im reading wiki
15:45:49 ThickAsThieves: i liked BSG til the last season or so
15:45:56 ThickAsThieves: I liked Caprica
15:46:05 fiat500: i kinda loved the ending
15:46:09 fiat500: mind=blown
15:46:23 truffles: oh wait i mightve seen it
15:46:28 fiat500: i was expecting some feelgood horseshit, but they managed to surprise me
15:46:34 truffles: how many versions of it..
15:46:54 truffles: i recognize the Adama name
15:47:06 truffles: dont wanna read and get spoiled!!
15:47:32 fiat500: i found it funny how the adamas were basically italian mobsters
15:47:41 truffles: heh
15:47:57 fiat500: setting: 1910's earth
15:48:26 fiat500: i need some advice from you guys
15:48:30 truffles: the story was pretty creative
15:48:40 truffles: about what
15:49:00 fiat500: im building a btc service with a friend
15:49:20 fiat500: got things covered on the technical side, but what im worried about is the whole trust angle
15:49:33 fiat500: how do people manage that usually
15:49:37 truffles: u have trust issues heh
15:49:53 fiat500: not particularly, but other people do
15:50:01 truffles: trust about the friend?
15:50:04 fiat500: i mean
15:50:20 fiat500: i will basically be asking people to trust me with their coins
15:50:29 fiat500: tall order, i havent been around for very long
15:50:42 fiat500: but im not interested in waiting and playing games and trying to make a name for myself on btctalk either
15:50:43 truffles: prove ure not a scamer?
15:50:49 fiat500: you cant prove a negative >_>
15:51:23 BitHub: what are you doing fiat500? i might be intrested
15:51:34 truffles: have a 3rd party handle the monies?
15:51:36 ThickAsThieves: fiat500, do you mean you dont trust the friend, or that you need investors, or?
15:51:45 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: dont need funding or anything
15:52:11 fiat500: its just a question of, people will (hopefully) be storing their coins with us
15:52:21 fiat500: and doing things with them
15:52:40 BitHub: that usually ends in tears
15:52:40 fiat500: 3rd party idea is interesting, sort of like extended escrow
15:52:42 ThickAsThieves: start small?
15:52:54 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: like, put upper limits?
15:53:07 BitHub: i store coins for mainstream clients atm, but i only store them, i don't gamble them or anything like an investment bank would
15:53:16 fiat500: LOL
15:53:25 fiat500: BitHub: how much do you charge for that service?
15:53:36 BitHub: .5 btc a year
15:54:03 fiat500: what happens if you get hit by a horse-drawn carriage
15:54:16 truffles: too bad then
15:54:29 mjr_: kakobrekla: hi there
15:54:32 BitHub: i have partners to carry out the death plan
15:54:35 fiat500: lol
15:54:39 fiat500: morbid
15:54:39 kakobrekla: sup mjr_
15:54:52 BitHub: things would be sad at BitHub for a while but BitHub will continue without me
15:54:54 fiat500: so escrow storage, start small, any other tips?
15:55:06 BitHub: start with friends and family first
15:55:38 ThickAsThieves: Dividends for TAT.ASICMINER have been paid for BTCT & BitFunder shareholders
15:55:40 mjr_: kakobrekla: would you be an introducing broker for another firm as well?
15:56:03 kakobrekla: well thats a broad question... lets take it on pm
15:56:15 BitHub: but trust don't erally mean anything look at ziggap
15:56:59 BitHub: client is either going to trust you or not, and that takes time, but even someone 5 years in the game can rip you off or do a runner oneday
15:57:03 BitHub: so got to keep that in mind
15:57:57 WILLdude: ThickAsThieves: How much per unit?
15:58:07 ThickAsThieves: .000198
15:58:44 WILLdude: Not too bad.
15:58:54 ThickAsThieves: anyone wanna take bets on how long before the first shareholders asks me why they are lower this week?
15:59:08 BitHub: 1-5mins
15:59:32 BitHub: good time to cause a panic dumping with teh recent AM newbs
15:59:49 mircea_popescu: Rioters have lit fires and stoned emergency services in the suburbs of Stockholm for the third night in a row after a man was shot dead by police.
15:59:55 WILLdude: Block difficulty?
16:00:05 WILLdude: Is that why?
16:00:06 BitHub: and asicminer share price div being low mp
16:00:06 WILLdude: :)
16:00:12 ThickAsThieves: it
16:00:21 truffles: music of today
16:00:48 ThickAsThieves: wigger girls?
16:01:03 truffles: i dunno just making a point
16:02:55 WILLdude: Is every share enititled to a certain percentage of the total dividends, or does it depend on the nummber of shares issued?
16:04:16 ThickAsThieves: every share is equal
16:05:15 WILLdude: So they all get a cetain percentage of the total?
16:05:16 WILLdude: Wow.
16:05:24 WILLdude: 0.02
16:06:06 ThickAsThieves: there are 400,000 total shares
16:06:10 ThickAsThieves: that will never change
16:06:14 ThickAsThieves: well
16:06:22 ThickAsThieves: we are told it will never change
16:07:24 WILLdude: I see.
16:08:02 WILLdude: So why does the btctc div page show a number of shares, a total and an amount per share?
16:08:38 ThickAsThieves: why shouldnt it?
16:09:11 mircea_popescu: well presumably because only a variable fraction of the ttoal is passthrough't there
16:09:37 mircea_popescu: incidentally, am i the only one who thinks it's pretty hysterical that idiots like goat used to dismiss the sour grapes mpex as "only having three shares"
16:09:47 WILLdude: Oh right.
16:09:55 mircea_popescu: whereby the situation now is that there's three exchanges with one share between them ?
16:09:58 WILLdude: I kinda get that.
16:10:35 WILLdude: Well I thought there will always be 400 000
16:10:51 jborkl: well, some exchanges have two or 3 passtroughs
16:10:58 WILLdude: Uhuh.
16:11:04 jborkl: so that counts for even more lols
16:11:14 mircea_popescu: i guess it does
16:11:30 Chaang-Noi: mp has three shares??? wtf!
16:11:42 Chaang-Noi: when did you get 3?
16:11:58 jborkl: btctc - has the main PT, the micro PT and a pending PT
16:12:17 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell davout https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212761.msg2234209#msg2234209 you're a legend now
16:12:27 jborkl: and I have seen a suggestion for a 1/1000 PT
16:12:47 WILLdude: Haha where?
16:13:05 WILLdude: On btctc
16:13:09 WILLdude: ?
16:13:10 mircea_popescu: jborkl i just hope that everyone learns from ThickAsThieves' thing that indeed shares should be planned like mpex always did it (ye, 0.00x to 0.000x per)
16:13:21 fiat500: 1/1000PT with 50% management fees
16:13:23 mircea_popescu: rathr than the glbse method of x to 0.x
16:13:48 mircea_popescu: after that all people need to learn is monthly rather than weekly dividends and we can hallelujah
16:13:54 Chaang-Noi: 1/1000th of AM will soon be X to 0.X
16:14:01 jcpham: i received a letter in the mail from a settlement my deceased grandfather started
16:14:07 jcpham: the company is bankrupt
16:14:07 fiat500: Chaang-Noi: LOL
16:14:21 jcpham: but they can pay %19.7 of the claim
16:14:31 mircea_popescu: jcpham so basically you're no longer a trust babieh ?
16:14:42 jcpham: the lawyer's office is offering 70% now
16:14:43 Chaang-Noi: i think i would take that jcpham
16:14:51 jcpham: or 50% now and 50% in two years
16:14:56 Chaang-Noi: 70% on a bankrupt comapny?
16:14:58 mircea_popescu: in other news, proton ponzi : http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/plots/proton/20130522_proton.gif
16:15:00 jcpham: if funds are still available
16:15:12 jcpham: no 70% of %19.7
16:15:17 Chaang-Noi: ahh
16:15:22 jcpham: it's a joke
16:15:27 Chaang-Noi: well
16:15:29 jcpham: these lawyers are all criminals
16:15:32 WILLdude: Where is the 1/1000PT?
16:15:32 Chaang-Noi: yes
16:15:44 Chaang-Noi: lawyers are the lowest form of life
16:15:52 jcpham: i'll take the 70% because idgaf and it's free money
16:15:55 deadweasel: proton pump and dump. >=10 MeV FTW
16:16:02 jcpham: but wtf
16:16:02 Chaang-Noi: if not the lowest, pretty damn close
16:16:28 jcpham: i can only imagine some sweet old lady getting this letter
16:16:38 jcpham: about her dead husband that wroked ina mill for 30 years
16:16:43 jcpham: terrible
16:16:57 Chaang-Noi: well i have o context about it, so i cant say much
16:17:03 Chaang-Noi: no*
16:17:17 jcpham: it's a depressing read where they lay it all out how they have no money
16:17:31 jcpham: and the amount gets smaller as you read
16:17:34 Chaang-Noi: well sometimes things go tits up
16:17:51 jcpham: it's an asbestos thing
16:17:53 Chaang-Noi: but i bet the lawyers are getting much more than you...
16:17:57 jcpham: dow corning and such
16:18:08 Chaang-Noi: oh that sucks
16:18:17 jcpham: guys working where they shouldn't
16:18:40 jcpham: my paternal lineage is welders.
16:18:47 Chaang-Noi: sadly not everyone knew it was so bad when they worked with it.
16:18:53 jcpham: any type of metal working really
16:19:09 jcpham: my dad didn't know about the computers
16:19:10 Chaang-Noi: ahh, we do a fair bit of welding
16:19:12 jcpham: too old too dead
16:19:16 Chaang-Noi: we ahve mostly robots now
16:19:31 Chaang-Noi: robots do a damn good job
16:19:51 jcpham: burgeoning robot middle class
16:26:19 Chaang-Noi: im going to take dump :/
16:26:43 truffles: tmi!
16:27:05 wao: w 51
16:28:00 Chaang-Noi: there it goes
16:28:27 ThickAsThieves: wow a rally
16:28:31 ThickAsThieves: didnt expact that
16:29:05 ThickAsThieves: or not
16:29:06 ThickAsThieves: hehe
16:29:08 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: divs aint been paid out yet
16:29:17 Chaang-Noi: that was me dumping
16:29:36 ThickAsThieves: nice dump goat
16:29:59 Chaang-Noi: it was a lot higher than i thought it was going to end at
16:30:17 ThickAsThieves: yeah this was big [12:28] <@assbot> [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 27 @ 2.685 = 72.495 BTC [-]
16:30:49 Chaang-Noi: not many high bids like that, was happy to see it
16:30:55 Chaang-Noi: i only sold 64 shares
16:34:10 ThickAsThieves: BTCTC dying again
16:34:19 Chaang-Noi: yes :(
16:37:54 Chaang-Noi: here be some cog, wish it was much much more
16:38:47 Chaang-Noi: fuck orders are failing
16:38:50 Chaang-Noi: fucking btct!
16:41:45 ThickAsThieves: <@Ukto> also,k with the legalities of ripple currently being the operator of an illegal exchange in the US, our lawyers have recommended getting away from ripple as fast as possible if we dont want ot be included in a DHS raid. :/
16:42:35 Chaang-Noi: ?
16:43:02 Chaang-Noi: well dhs can raid ripple, but they cant raid the fucking block chain
16:43:11 Chaang-Noi: ripple be fail from the start
16:43:22 Chaang-Noi: but i think ukto is being overly dramaic
16:43:41 Chaang-Noi: hmm trading?
16:44:25 ThickAsThieves: he's not talking about blockchain
16:44:35 ThickAsThieves: just ripple
16:44:38 Ukto: ripple runs the majority of the ripple servers
16:44:40 Ukto: i.e. control
16:44:46 Ukto: the source is not open
16:44:58 Chaang-Noi: i never ever got why anyone would ever want to use it other than scammers?
16:45:00 Ukto: thus, it is centralized
16:45:06 Ukto: i never tried to
16:45:23 zerokwel: i got free ripple and sold it and feel good :)
16:45:26 Chaang-Noi: and yes i was saying riple can be fucked, btc cant be
16:45:42 Ukto: i am trying to place a buy right now on btct too and having issues
16:45:47 Namworld: I sold my 40k free ripples for like 5 BTC
16:45:51 Ukto: i left burnsy a pm about somet hings to try
16:45:57 Namworld: I'm quite satisfied with that
16:46:02 Ukto: but i think in the forums he said the trading timeout was due to the wallet issue
16:47:24 ThickAsThieves: Dividends for ASICM have also been paid. TAT Investments, putting your money to work faster! ;)
16:47:30 WILLdude: I hate to sound nooby, but does my share of the profits decrease as more shares are issued.
16:48:02 WILLdude: The ones on Havelock haven't been just yet.
16:48:40 ThickAsThieves: you already asked that dude
16:48:42 Chaang-Noi: more shares of AM can not be issued
16:49:40 ThickAsThieves: when you see new PT shares added, it only me moving shares from off market into the TAT PT
16:49:54 ThickAsThieves: they do not dilute dividends
16:50:20 Chaang-Noi: tat hs really sold 6 times the number of sahres he owns and will run away with the btc in 3/// 2/// 1... im just rolling :)
16:50:48 ThickAsThieves: hehe
16:50:54 ThickAsThieves: there's more money to make by staying
16:51:02 Chaang-Noi: trolling*
16:52:35 WILLdude: I still don't really understand, because from the div history, the dividend seems to be the total divided by the number of shares, which is not constant.
16:52:47 Chaang-Noi: do maths again
16:53:01 WILLdude: Sorry for being a dumbass.
16:53:15 ThickAsThieves: the divs are paid per unit
16:53:19 ThickAsThieves: simple as that
16:53:23 Chaang-Noi: also read the first post in the AM thread
16:53:24 ThickAsThieves: every unit gets the same amount
16:53:31 ThickAsThieves: every week
16:53:38 ThickAsThieves: the amount of units never changes
16:53:50 ThickAsThieves: to clarify
16:54:00 ThickAsThieves: every unit gets an EQUAL amount every week
16:54:00 WILLdude: Ah so the total is calculated by BTC/Share times shares, not vice versa?
16:54:05 WILLdude: yEAH
16:54:20 ThickAsThieves: just forget about totals
16:54:29 WILLdude: Right.
16:54:38 ThickAsThieves: means nothing
16:54:43 ThickAsThieves: if you want to know the real total payout
16:54:54 ThickAsThieves: take 1 unit's divs X 400,000
16:55:07 ericmuyser: maybe if you pay the divs out on ASICMINER-PT they'll stop the DDOS?
16:55:18 Chaang-Noi: well the first few weeks ere only 163000 is that messing you up?
16:55:28 WILLdude: Also, is there any reason why last week's divs were abnormally high?
16:55:39 Chaang-Noi: yes they sold hardware
16:56:23 WILLdude: Ah right.
16:56:28 Diablo-D3: I has a sad.
16:56:52 WILLdude: The asicminer usbs look interesting.
16:56:52 jborkl: pool luck ie variance, when blocks are found compared to the 120 confirms needed to payout, hardware sales , hold back for needed further hardware purchases, expenses incurred
16:57:02 jborkl: the list goes on and on
16:57:17 WILLdude: Only 300 mhash/s so I doubt they pay off very quickly.
17:05:08 WILLdude: I want one, but it probably isn't economical.
17:05:24 ThickAsThieves: i think some people reported it hashing higher
17:05:26 ThickAsThieves: but still
17:05:29 ThickAsThieves: pretty expensive
17:05:44 soypirate: did you guys see this post? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=00nvu059e6oiajl03rfsoka4s2&topic=211298.msg2215507#msg2215507
17:05:48 ll: ;;genrate 334
17:06:32 WILLdude: Where can I get the USB miners?
17:06:37 Chaang-Noi: i doubt romania cares
17:06:56 ThickAsThieves: <soypirate> it's filled with "This user is currently ignored" :)
17:07:10 soypirate: ah. I see.
17:07:38 Chaang-Noi: why do you want to follow all laws ever made?
17:07:52 Chaang-Noi: you will use btc once govt says it is illegal?
17:08:06 soypirate: ThickAsThieves: I wanted to thank you for some of your advice concerning BTC-BOND the other day.
17:08:21 Chaang-Noi: :)
17:08:25 Chaang-Noi: pay too much!
17:08:31 Chaang-Noi: use to much electric :)
17:08:33 ThickAsThieves: you mean that it's a decent investment?
17:08:40 ThickAsThieves: nice and predictable
17:08:43 soypirate: yeah
17:09:02 chmod755: <Chaang-Noi> you will use btc once govt says it is illegal? << I'd simply to another country
17:09:14 mircea_popescu: soypirate pretty lulzy
17:09:20 WILLdude: Are gribble's estimates for solo mining?
17:09:47 Chaang-Noi: well i already left :)
17:09:48 mircea_popescu: WILLdude it's per hashpower. not much to do with solo or pooled
17:10:14 WILLdude: Surely they pay out different rates?
17:10:23 WILLdude: The expected generation output, at 334.0 Mhps, given
17:10:23 WILLdude: difficulty of 11187257.4614, is 0.0150144731243 BTC per day
17:10:31 WILLdude: Sorry
17:10:37 soypirate: mircea_popescu: I am still trying to sort through the lulz from the good advice....
17:10:40 WILLdude: Putty copying :(
17:11:06 mircea_popescu: WILLdude how would they pay out different rates ?!
17:11:16 mircea_popescu: soypirate yeah, sometimes it gets surreal.
17:11:43 WILLdude: Because surely, finding a block is a matter of luck and you might never do it.
17:11:46 WILLdude: IDK
17:11:49 WILLdude: Oh I guess.
17:11:53 ThickAsThieves: and the winner is! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199449.msg2236325#msg2236325
17:11:59 mircea_popescu: statistically thje results are the same tho WILLdude
17:12:54 jborkl: We need to introduce basic math skills around the world I am seeing
17:13:01 truffles: divs too low, do not want
17:13:14 ThickAsThieves: [13:13] <jborkl> We need to introduce basic math skills around the world I am seeing <<< but then I'd make less money
17:13:23 jborkl: yes, that is true
17:13:44 mircea_popescu: jborkl it's ironic that these people are using computers ;/
17:14:11 jborkl: it is, sometimes it is a wonder that they don't short out the keyboard drooling on it
17:14:13 truffles: omg some1 linked a song on -otc and i got it on repeat now ahhhhhhhhhh
17:14:23 mircea_popescu: We make ASIC Bitcoin Mining Gear using the ASIC chips Sourced from Taiwan.
17:14:23 mircea_popescu: 3.1 -3.3 GHash/sec 4 Board (has 32 chips) - 15 BTC
17:14:23 mircea_popescu: 9.3-9.9 GHash/sec 12 Board (has 96 chips) - 30 BTC
17:14:34 mircea_popescu: (spam)
17:15:27 aknap3: but free delivery, right?
17:16:12 jborkl: either they are using different chips on the boards, or once again math fails the universe
17:16:33 truffles: math is hard
17:16:34 mircea_popescu: aknap3 ya, via POP3
17:16:37 soypirate: do you guys think s.dice shares will go up when the next dividend gets paid?
17:16:39 aknap3: woohoo!
17:16:49 mircea_popescu: soypirate iirc the dividend was setting up to be very small
17:16:55 mjr_: soypirate: if people were smart they would go up BEFORE the dividends are paid
17:16:58 mircea_popescu: dooglus' stuff was showing a loss neh ?
17:17:10 mjr_: i mean...p/e ratio of .28
17:17:24 jborkl: yes, about 1500 BTC yesterday
17:17:35 mjr_: jborkl: link?
17:17:42 soypirate: mirceau_popescu is that part of a trend because of rising btc price?
17:17:53 Chaang-Noi: loss is due to luck
17:17:55 ThickAsThieves: I love MPOE-PR now
17:17:56 jborkl: so, will most likely have a carryover - and confuse math impaired people once again
17:17:58 ThickAsThieves: lol
17:18:04 Chaang-Noi: s.dice should win 1.95 of all bets over time
17:18:07 truffles: TAT link
17:18:08 Chaang-Noi: 1.9%
17:18:16 mjr_: well...1500 is not hard to get in 10 days...
17:18:18 mircea_popescu: soypirate it's mircea you know. if you just type mir ands hit tab it fills it in for you. but anyway, maybe there's some relation to usd
17:18:19 mjr_: depending on volume
17:18:39 soypirate: I see
17:19:08 mircea_popescu: mjr_ actually it being a gamble... it can get 10k bet within the hour, and win it all.
17:19:10 mircea_popescu: so then it's 10k up
17:19:16 mircea_popescu: iirc this happened once maybe in january ?
17:19:32 jborkl: yeah, at the very end of the month
17:19:38 mjr_: yes, that is true
17:20:11 mjr_: i was saying that over ten days they could have 50*1500 btc
17:20:27 mjr_: with EV they would then break even...but i am not seeing the loss on this chart yet
17:20:28 mircea_popescu: either way, for all we know they could be 10k in the hole
17:20:29 mjr_: still reading
17:20:38 mjr_: well, it is luck based after all
17:20:47 ThickAsThieves: big havelock buy coming up
17:21:03 ThickAsThieves: bam
17:21:36 mircea_popescu: how did you know that ?!
17:21:42 ThickAsThieves: it was a bid
17:21:46 ThickAsThieves: i filled it
17:22:10 Chaang-Noi: you bought at .027?
17:22:24 Chaang-Noi: or sold?
17:22:26 Chaang-Noi: into it?
17:22:31 ThickAsThieves: sold
17:22:35 Chaang-Noi: ahh
17:22:38 Chaang-Noi: fucking btct
17:23:01 ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna steal all your arbs goat
17:23:16 mircea_popescu: o i c
17:23:16 Chaang-Noi: right now i just want my coin off of btct!
17:23:38 soypirate: Chaang-Noi: why? because of the downtime?
17:23:47 Chaang-Noi: i need more hookers
17:23:51 Chaang-Noi: and coke...
17:23:55 soypirate: lol
17:24:27 mircea_popescu: about a year ago i wrote an article, in romanian, titled " how to suck cock. guide for half of oral sex."
17:24:39 mircea_popescu: to this day it's the most read piece on my blog. every single day since then it has been
17:24:44 Chaang-Noi: im sure you are good at it
17:24:50 soypirate: that's the internet for you
17:25:02 ThickAsThieves: lol
17:25:08 mircea_popescu: ironically, i've never sucked cock myself
17:25:12 mircea_popescu: so yes, that's the internet.
17:25:22 jcpham: i have mircea_popescu
17:25:27 jcpham: you should try it
17:25:27 ThickAsThieves: mp only sucks cock with friends
17:25:38 Chaang-Noi: mp, sorry for the low shot, but you set me up so well...
17:25:42 mircea_popescu: jcpham haha you seen carlin in jay and silent bob ?
17:25:54 parseval: God, TAT, people really try to put you through the ringer for that 5%
17:26:01 ThickAsThieves: yep
17:26:12 ThickAsThieves: even when i spend a long time writing up a post
17:26:14 jcpham: yes
17:26:18 ThickAsThieves: to bang them over the head with math
17:26:20 ThickAsThieves: i get
17:26:26 jcpham: everyone should try sucking dick at least once
17:26:28 jcpham: male and female
17:26:32 ThickAsThieves: NOU TAKE MY 5% NOWAI
17:29:12 parseval: Such is the internet, I guess
17:30:00 mircea_popescu: jcpham female dick ?
17:30:18 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves along the same lines https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212544.msg2232539#msg2232539
17:34:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120757.msg1650360#msg1650360 can you believe he still didn't add it ? :D
17:35:17 kakobrekla: tbh its getting harder and harder to suprise me
17:35:27 mircea_popescu: old age.
17:36:17 kakobrekla: or just bitcoin
17:39:00 WILLdude: Ergh.
17:39:20 WILLdude: Having a hard time deciding if to sell or not.
17:48:31 deadweasel: WILLdude: my advice is to sleep on it.
17:48:56 ThickAsThieves: WILLdude, consider this
17:49:01 deadweasel: also, sleep with as many girls as you can before it becomes illegal.
17:49:03 ThickAsThieves: what will you do with the BTC if you sell?
17:49:20 ThickAsThieves: nothing?
17:49:23 ThickAsThieves: save it?
17:49:25 ThickAsThieves: sell it?
17:49:33 ThickAsThieves: or invest in something stupid?
17:49:35 deadweasel: he's gonnna buy a fleshlight, what else would a self-respecting teenager do>
17:49:38 deadweasel: ?
17:49:41 ThickAsThieves: lol
17:50:17 deadweasel: the only thing that cut into my quake1 gaming at that age was constant masturbation.
17:50:31 deadweasel: it's hard to frag and jerk off at the same time.
17:50:38 deadweasel: also it's not very satisfying.
17:50:59 deadweasel: unless you're playing RUNES and you cum when you get berserk rune.
17:51:07 deadweasel: berserk ftw
17:52:24 WILLdude: ThickAsThieves: Sell it.
17:52:33 WILLdude: But I guess I don't need the money.
17:52:48 deadweasel: so hold it.
17:53:56 deadweasel: WILLdude, again, go find a girl your age and fuck her silly.
17:54:00 ThickAsThieves: either hold the BTC
17:54:05 ThickAsThieves: or hold the stocks
17:54:06 deadweasel: give her your .5btc for her virginity
17:54:10 ThickAsThieves: dont get trigger happy
17:54:14 ThickAsThieves: or youll lose it al
17:54:15 deadweasel: it's totally worth it for both of you.
17:54:15 ThickAsThieves: l
17:54:25 WILLdude: Eww
17:54:36 fiat500: gays
17:54:37 deadweasel: ok, new guy is asexual.
17:55:52 WILLdude: Have you heard of age of consent?
17:56:03 WILLdude: Or the concept of embarrasment?
17:56:09 deadweasel: yes, and that age is different or nonexistent across the globe.
17:56:29 deadweasel: willdude, that is just a concept, but the memory of fucking her will last a lifetime. your concept is just an idea.
17:56:50 deadweasel: well, not a lifetime, it will fade as you bed more women.
17:57:52 deadweasel: WILLdude, I had this catholic sexual guilt thing going on for most of my teenage years. I missed out on a TON of teenage sex because of it. WORST MISTAKE EVAR.
17:58:04 deadweasel: because of 'embarassment'.
17:58:15 deadweasel: cast off that prison
17:58:17 WILLdude: haha
17:58:25 deadweasel: do not be a prisoner of your thoughts.
17:58:28 WILLdude: But no.
17:58:29 fiat500: prison, begone
17:58:30 deadweasel: they are just thoughts
17:58:44 deadweasel: but a wet pussy is a wet pussy, fo realz.
17:58:55 deadweasel: not a thought about embarassment. which do you chooose?
17:58:55 WILLdude: I'm too fat, I wouldn't be able to see anything interesting.
17:59:03 WILLdude: :)
17:59:12 deadweasel: you will never know until you try.
17:59:18 deadweasel: and you will never lose until you give up trying.
17:59:33 ThickAsThieves: fat dudes get laid all the time
17:59:39 ThickAsThieves: its more a confidence thing
17:59:43 ThickAsThieves: just own it
17:59:43 truffles: <deadweasel> they are just thoughts>> until u act on them
17:59:52 ThickAsThieves: you'll find chix
18:00:03 benkay_: alternatively get the fuck off irc and ride a bike
18:00:07 ThickAsThieves: lol
18:00:07 deadweasel: truffles, context was the thoughts are of being 'embarassed'.
18:00:11 truffles: or he could but down a couple donuts..
18:00:20 deadweasel: benkay_: +10
18:00:24 ThickAsThieves: sex burns calories too
18:00:31 ThickAsThieves: well, maybe not teen sex
18:00:36 mircea_popescu: lmao
18:00:40 benkay_: negligible amouts, tat. don't promulgate that shit.
18:00:41 deadweasel: lawls
18:01:06 mircea_popescu: benkay_ i dunno how negligible it is man. if it burns rubber it sure as hell burns calories too
18:01:19 deadweasel: WILLdude: you can fix fat, but you can't fix "I never had sex with teenage girls, now it's too late".
18:01:23 benkay_: localized dissipation. gimme a break, guys.
18:01:35 Diablo-D3: so wtf is with the am div
18:01:38 kakobrekla: deadweasel goat would disagree
18:01:39 mircea_popescu: deadweasel it's never too late, just live in a sane country.
18:01:47 WILLdude: Haha
18:01:48 kakobrekla: lol
18:01:50 Diablo-D3: [02:00:25] <ThickAsThieves> sex burns calories too
18:01:52 WILLdude: IDC about that.
18:01:55 deadweasel: kakobrekla, and I repect him for it, but his local laws allow it, or the local culture.
18:02:03 Diablo-D3: if that were true, I would be the skinniest man alive
18:02:05 WILLdude: The thing is.
18:02:11 deadweasel: mircea_popescu: I'm seriously considering it lately.
18:02:11 WILLdude: it's a) illegal
18:02:14 kakobrekla: so its a geolocation thing deadweasel
18:02:21 Diablo-D3: I'd have one chick impaled on my dick, and another chick feeding me hamburgers
18:02:24 Diablo-D3: both at the same time
18:02:24 WILLdude: b) embarrassing
18:02:24 ThickAsThieves: [14:01] <Diablo-D3> so wtf is with the am div <<< Haven't you heard, I needed to buy some new toys
18:02:39 deadweasel: Willdude, what STATE are you in?
18:02:40 WILLdude: c) Very enjoyable
18:02:43 WILLdude: UK
18:02:46 deadweasel: bingo
18:02:49 WILLdude: Hampshire.
18:02:50 ThickAsThieves: it's not illegal for teens to have sex with each other is it?!
18:03:00 deadweasel: my Grandma is in South Hampton, go fuck her.
18:03:05 deadweasel: she hasn't gotten laid in 40 years!
18:03:13 ericmuyser: not under the age of 18 or within 2 years age difference in canada. 17 <-> 19 works
18:03:22 Diablo-D3: its 1 year in the US
18:03:30 truffles: 15yr vs 18yr bad in US apparently
18:03:37 Diablo-D3: and its only illegal if you get caught
18:03:37 mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 actually here's the thing to do : http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2012/orice-cuplu-functional/
18:03:38 deadweasel: yes, bad here.
18:04:10 Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: thats like the worst photo of a blowjob ever
18:04:14 jborkl: Some states like Arkansas , teens have to, according to the law. Keeps the mobile home industry growing
18:04:35 mircea_popescu: lol
18:04:39 fiat500: paywall
18:04:40 fiat500: donotwant
18:04:47 WILLdude: TAT, it is.
18:04:49 mircea_popescu: fuck you, pay me!
18:04:52 fiat500: LOL
18:05:00 deadweasel: do no twant? no, fiat500, do twat!
18:05:08 Diablo-D3: confirmed: mp is a whore
18:05:16 deadweasel: fuck me, pay me!
18:05:19 truffles: ewwww what is that, his penus looks weird
18:05:20 benkay_: Willdude: you can always focus on growing your pocketbook + monetizeable skills through high school while shrinking your gut. then in college, date high schoolers. younger girls are 10x.
18:05:35 deadweasel: that is sound advice
18:05:39 mircea_popescu: what's this obsession with fucking kids anyway.
18:05:40 Diablo-D3: benkay_: meh, virgins suck
18:05:46 deadweasel: because you'll figure out how to fuck and you'll be fit and you'll have some money.
18:05:48 Diablo-D3: I've always liked women older than I am
18:05:49 benkay_: so trainable though, diablo!
18:05:52 mircea_popescu: i muchly oprefer twenny somethings to teens
18:05:54 Diablo-D3: at least they know what they're doing
18:05:58 Scrat: how old is WILLdude
18:06:03 deadweasel: me too mircea_popescu
18:06:04 Diablo-D3: sadly, I am now 29, older women are now my age.
18:06:04 mircea_popescu: Scrat like 12
18:06:10 benkay_: not really advice for this chan. more advice for WD.
18:06:57 truffles: WIll i think ure on the right path anyways, food> sex
18:07:36 ThickAsThieves: lol
18:07:46 jcpham: unicorns
18:07:48 ThickAsThieves: is this AOL chat room or sumth?
18:08:00 ThickAsThieves: asl?
18:08:01 jcpham: 18/f/cali
18:08:05 truffles: lol
18:08:10 ThickAsThieves: lol
18:08:12 jborkl: refernce AOL? 1990 called and they want AOL back
18:08:21 jborkl: reference
18:08:42 truffles: yahoo chats had that too
18:08:46 zerokwel: i hate to say it aol was my first isp when them dammm 50 hr free floppys :)
18:08:59 jcpham: i hate like 50 floods confirmed
18:09:04 jcpham: back when you could do it
18:09:06 ThickAsThieves: i used AOL dial up on my packard bell
18:09:25 ThickAsThieves: I remember installing my 14.4b modem and being so excited
18:09:30 jcpham: i hade to disable pm's on my 486 because of people flooding
18:09:46 jcpham: like NICK$OFF or something
18:10:03 zerokwel: oh the goodold days.....
18:10:08 deadweasel: me too zerokwel
18:10:25 deadweasel: 14.4kbps, fucking lightening speed.
18:10:28 benkay_: aol? good old days?
18:10:35 truffles: the sound of the 56k was like letting u know u got internet!
18:10:42 deadweasel: jborkl I am now crying
18:10:43 benkay_: usenet, my brothers, usenet.
18:10:52 benkay_: that was once a thing, right?
18:10:57 zerokwel: back in them days it was ftp :)
18:11:02 benkay_: omg internet nostalgia trip
18:11:06 jcpham: dialup was awesome because you could find carriers
18:11:06 zerokwel: all about the private sites :)
18:11:19 jcpham: i literally found my school's carrier in another town
18:11:25 jcpham: and borrowed their access
18:11:41 benkay_: mircea_popescu on the subject of nineties and bootstrap and geocities, try this for the MPEx web site
18:11:42 jcpham: dial isp were awesome
18:11:56 zerokwel: :)
18:12:07 kakobrekla: win benkay_
18:12:14 deadweasel: it would be an improvement
18:12:17 mircea_popescu: omg this is hate crime
18:12:33 jcpham: aww that's slick mircea_popescu
18:12:38 jcpham: you should implement that
18:12:41 ThickAsThieves: I remember trading pearl jam live bootlegs on BBS
18:12:50 ThickAsThieves: and programming in BASIC
18:13:03 truffles: napster!
18:13:07 ThickAsThieves: before that my texas instruments unit
18:13:11 ThickAsThieves: with Hunt the Wumpus
18:13:18 jcpham: i realllllly like that geo-bootstrap
18:13:19 mircea_popescu: ppl see mpex site trippin they geocitin'
18:13:22 jborkl: lol I remember that
18:13:32 jborkl: Hunt the Wumpus, lol
18:13:37 ThickAsThieves: so good
18:13:41 zerokwel: changing my cell phone ring tune to that dialup sound :)
18:13:58 truffles: lol
18:14:21 mircea_popescu: ok apparently sec just charged a city in florida with securities fraud
18:14:29 ThickAsThieves: nice
18:14:32 ThickAsThieves: which?
18:15:05 ThickAsThieves: heh
18:15:07 benkay_: it's nice to see muni's screwing wall street for a change
18:15:14 ThickAsThieves: probly just idiocy, not intentional fraud
18:15:31 benkay_: but you'll never hear bankers behavior called "fraudulent conduct"
18:15:55 benkay_: when bankers do it on purpose, it's business. when munis do it via incompetence, it's fraud.
18:15:58 benkay_: welcome to america.
18:16:33 truffles: double standards are part of life so..
18:17:15 jcpham: standards gonna stand
18:17:41 mircea_popescu: well ya.
18:17:55 jcpham: ya well
18:18:02 mircea_popescu: this is the purpose of "regulation", and this is why it ain't happening here.
18:18:19 truffles: i dislike the new utube setup
18:18:30 mircea_popescu: meanwhile https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/337270544342847488
18:18:30 truffles: why must they break it!
18:18:59 jcpham: i'm a huge fan of fake it til you make it
18:19:31 jcpham: seems apropos, no
18:25:46 ThickAsThieves: lol BFL
18:25:48 mircea_popescu: tis bullshit.
18:26:11 ThickAsThieves: they just need 2 more weeks of sales, to cover all the cancellations
18:26:34 mircea_popescu: i think it will be known as bfl syndrome
18:27:09 benkay_: i met this hilarious kid at buttcon who's doing mining arbing on altchains considering nethash and price
18:27:22 benkay_: from jersey
18:27:26 benkay_: running on free juice
18:27:42 mircea_popescu: benkay_ most of the kids these days do that afaik
18:27:45 benkay_: can't help but assume he's operating out of some mob bakery
18:27:59 jborkl: pfft, basement
18:28:02 ThickAsThieves: yeah they arbed it to 1:1 btc
18:28:29 ThickAsThieves: lol
18:28:32 ThickAsThieves: Worldcoin?
18:28:39 ThickAsThieves: it never ends
18:28:56 deadweasel: which brings us back to having sex with minors (!=miners).
18:29:23 mircea_popescu: maybe in the future every house appliance will have not only its own ip
18:29:26 mircea_popescu: but also its own alt chain
18:29:37 ThickAsThieves: i said before,
18:29:40 mircea_popescu: fridge trades fridgecoin with microwave for microcoin...
18:29:48 ThickAsThieves: I think govs should make their wn altchains asap
18:29:50 deadweasel: power credits?
18:30:00 ThickAsThieves: own*
18:30:12 benkay_: totes, TAT.
18:30:24 ThickAsThieves: if there was a eurocoin, then they might just survive this bitcoin madness
18:30:31 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if i was the gaddafi of some place i would have by now.
18:30:35 benkay_: but then they couldn't print their way out of their problems.
18:30:37 ThickAsThieves: but if they all try to fight bitcoin, theyll lose
18:31:01 louong: TAT, you did asicminer divs yet?
18:31:09 mircea_popescu: "you wanna buy our oil/diamonds/nubile young slaves/wtvr ? pay in MPCOIN!!!"
18:31:21 louong: seriously, why isn't there an mpcoin yet?
18:31:57 ThickAsThieves: louong, TAT.AM holders got divs before anyone, including direct shareholders
18:32:01 ThickAsThieves: that's how I roll
18:32:10 louong: TAT, I meant for this weeks' divs
18:32:13 louong: did you send them out yet?
18:32:14 ThickAsThieves: me too
18:33:14 ThickAsThieves: to be clear, yes, divs were paid out an hour or two ago
18:33:33 louong: awesome thx
18:37:32 ericmuyser: ThickAsThieves: so you paid out divs before you got paid? smart if so, but wonder how you knew the % coming to you
18:38:36 jcpham: huge
18:38:56 jcpham: anyone have a bitmessage address to share with me
18:40:06 ThickAsThieves: <ericmuyser> ThickAsThieves: so you paid out divs before you got paid? smart if so, but wonder how you knew the % coming to you <<< yes, I just waited to learn the payout amount
18:40:13 ThickAsThieves: and used my own BTC to pay
18:40:34 ThickAsThieves: some risk i guess
18:40:36 ThickAsThieves: but not much
18:41:14 ThickAsThieves: just trying to raise the bar
18:41:21 ericmuyser: ThickAsThieves: ya, and earn some favor IMO :) considering the huge delay on burnside's
18:41:37 ThickAsThieves: gives people a chance for double divs too
18:41:41 ThickAsThieves: if pricing works out
18:42:02 ThickAsThieves: which encourages people to stay wrapped up in AM
18:42:02 ericmuyser: true that
18:42:25 ericmuyser: where they should be!
18:42:42 ThickAsThieves: of course the larger my PT gets, the harder it will be for me to do this
18:42:56 ThickAsThieves: and of there is an unexpectedly large div, could be hard too
18:43:20 ericmuyser: ya but seems like ur fine for a bit
18:47:55 ThickAsThieves: ;;title http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/22/us-markets-global-idUSBRE88901C20130522
18:48:03 ThickAsThieves: "Bernanke spurs stock volatility, dollar gains"
18:48:44 benkay_: cool shit jcpham.
18:50:20 ThickAsThieves: Bernanke with his fingers on the nipples of the economy
18:51:14 ThickAsThieves: will he pinch, poke, or twist? tune in next quarter!
18:51:32 deadweasel: mircea_popescu: reportedly female user wants to start ASIC company in UK, has personal website: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213241.msg2237298#msg2237298
18:51:46 deadweasel: she could be MPOE-PR #2?
18:51:51 deadweasel: she has datacenter
18:51:54 deadweasel: nom
18:51:56 ericmuyser: btctc.. reddit.. cant catch a freaking break. http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58484258/Screenshots/em9u.png
18:52:25 mircea_popescu: oic. kate.
18:56:23 deadweasel: kate, you know her?
18:58:26 deadweasel: she's a poor sailor, http://kate.craig-wood.com/image.php?file=images/pics/water/sail8_sc.jpg
18:59:04 deadweasel: although, unless completely fake, may have some brains/skills
18:59:53 Scrat: argh
19:00:12 Scrat: successful cloud entrepreneur
19:01:13 deadweasel: family section, read about Nikc, the brother, apparently he is the brainz of the op.
19:01:40 deadweasel: could entreprenuer doesn't meanshit unless you get a company to pay for putting them on 'the cloud'
19:01:57 deadweasel: but still, i'm biased towards vaginas.
19:02:35 Scrat: everyone with a penis is
19:02:56 deadweasel: not the gays
19:03:11 Scrat: they are a statistical anomaly
19:03:11 deadweasel: unless they want to talk, then biased towards vaginas
19:03:16 deadweasel: it's true
19:03:28 benkay_: wow she tipped a cat
19:03:43 benkay_: that takes some doing
19:03:53 benkay_: and some ovaries to push it into that part of the performance envelope
19:10:51 mircea_popescu: her plan is not quite as bad as average noob
19:14:18 jcpham: who is the kate lady
19:14:23 jcpham: the blog made lulz
19:14:41 deadweasel: nobody has responded to her 20 post acount yet.
19:14:50 deadweasel: MPOE-PR should welcome her... ;)
19:15:12 Namworld: We'll need proof that user is who it claims to be. Might me a ploy by a mafious ring to make techies go in Surrey and kidnap them to slave away at producing ASICs!</tinfoilhat>
19:15:47 jcpham: (I'm a successful cloud IaaS entrepreneur - see memset.com) and am fairly technical but building a GPU mining rig is about my limit.
19:15:56 jcpham: megabarf
19:16:17 jcpham: i stopped reading after that
19:17:52 deadweasel: i stopped fapping after that
19:17:56 deadweasel: kept reading
19:23:00 mircea_popescu: haters
19:23:03 mircea_popescu: all of ye
19:25:06 deadweasel: She can't sail, but she's willing to try, that's a plus.
19:25:39 jborkl: What thread is this?
19:55:05 ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
19:55:16 ThickAsThieves: rise! rise!
20:07:45 topace: !ticker h asicm
20:09:14 FabianB: ;;bc,convert eur
20:19:25 thestringpuller: !ticker h HIM
20:36:31 kakobrekla: Ripple is now a Tsunami!
20:36:31 kakobrekla: Just like that, Ripple's market cap now exceeds that of Bitcoin. There are a lot of people asking just what the heck is going on, and of course, trying to figure out if this is just another digital currency bubble.
20:36:32 kakobrekla: oh my.
20:36:47 kakobrekla: sauce http://www.thebitcointrader.com/2013/05/ripple-is-now-tsunami.html
20:37:01 ThickAsThieves: advertorial?
20:37:05 mircea_popescu: lmao
20:37:38 jcpham: i buy xrp
20:37:44 ThickAsThieves: "We do know that the founders have retained 20 billion XRP, and that OpenCoin controls 80 billion XRP"
20:37:46 ThickAsThieves: lol
20:38:19 dub: anyone else gettign this bitcoin alarm spam
20:38:27 jborkl: dub , yes
20:38:30 ThickAsThieves: yes
20:38:41 ThickAsThieves: insta-ignored
20:38:44 jborkl: and the ripple exchange rate has been falling this week
20:38:48 mircea_popescu: That brings the total number of "institutionally held" XRP to 99.42 billion.
20:39:01 jborkl: only 99.42 billion
20:39:10 mircea_popescu: clearly the market cap is 1.3 bn
20:39:24 mircea_popescu: there's 11mn bitcoin out of 11mn in circulation trading at 120
20:39:40 mircea_popescu: there's 50mn ripple (MORE THAN BITCOIN) in circulation not trading anywhere
20:39:49 mircea_popescu: thus therefore... yeah! MORE THAN BITCOIB
20:40:07 ThickAsThieves: i cant wait to get rich off my free 40k ripples
20:40:12 jcpham: over 9000!
20:40:20 mircea_popescu: Remember that Ripple's key investors have connections to PayPal and Dwolla, and will want to bring them on as Ripple Gateways. Such a move would boost Ripple's valuation well into the stratosphere, leaving Bitcoin behind as a beta-version afterthought.
20:40:20 jborkl: I sold mine as soon as I got them
20:40:34 jborkl: for 6000/1
20:40:35 mircea_popescu: totally dude. the dwolla fuckwits are going to leave bitcoin behind as an afterthought
20:41:01 Scrat: TAT I wish I could have waited like you
20:41:06 Scrat: I blew my ripple load prematurely
20:41:06 jcpham: ThickAsThieves i have a few $k lastime i checked... in btc that is
20:41:15 jborkl: yeah, no one but BTC people has ever heard of Dwolla
20:41:18 jcpham: not even sure how
20:42:12 mircea_popescu: jborkl and what the btc people have heard of dwolla was that they scam on an unprecedented scale.
20:42:37 WILLdude: Oh shit.
20:42:56 WILLdude: I've just discovered BTC-E's minimum of 250 dollars on btc.
20:43:03 WILLdude: With paypal
20:43:29 WILLdude: I guess I'll have to buy back.
20:44:03 kakobrekla: its gonna be fun when gateways start collapsing
20:44:05 jborkl: Yeah, bitbet - Ripple exchange rate is less than 20,000 ripple per BTC by the end of July
20:44:33 ThickAsThieves: see Willdude, I told you not to sell
20:44:38 jborkl: problem is , where is a reliable exchange price
20:44:42 kakobrekla: "selling ripple IOUs 0.1$ per 1$"
20:45:14 ThickAsThieves: I'll sell my ripples 100:1BTC
20:45:26 ThickAsThieves: til then I'm holding
20:45:26 jcpham: too high
20:45:47 jborkl: I can not even understand the logic of Ripple anyway. Bob can't pay mcdonalds, so he exchanges a IOU with Mary who has a trust level with Tim
20:46:13 jborkl: so Tim now owes Mcdonalds for Bobs cheeseburger
20:46:19 jborkl: WTF
20:46:26 kakobrekla: but bob defaults
20:46:38 jborkl: and he ate the cheeseburger
20:46:53 kakobrekla: and tim defaults
20:46:58 kakobrekla: cause he gave ious to 10 bobs
20:47:03 WILLdude: Haha
20:47:11 WILLdude: I'm buying shares back.
20:47:12 jborkl: so who is the bagholder at the end?
20:47:18 kakobrekla: donald.
20:47:58 jborkl: See, the logic chain fails
20:48:24 jborkl: someone is getting fucked, but no telling who
20:48:49 jborkl: last one in line at Mcdonalds I guess, or maybe the rancher that sold Mcdonalds the cow
20:48:59 ThickAsThieves: BTCTC comes back, one order fires, 500 people try to load website and crash it, rinse & repeat!
20:49:03 WILLdude: Well, if I buy back, I've only lost 1 share, with a third of the price of one left over.
20:49:13 WILLdude: Maybe I'll just forget I have these BTC.
20:49:23 ThickAsThieves: or if you just hold the BTC you lose even less
20:49:24 WILLdude: Well, shares.
20:49:34 WILLdude: So annoyed.
20:49:38 ThickAsThieves: which was our original recommendation
20:49:48 ThickAsThieves: learn to learn
20:49:49 ThickAsThieves: :P
20:50:28 WILLdude: So do wire transfers from exchanges have a fee?
20:50:35 ThickAsThieves: of course they do
20:50:36 aknap3: Experience is a high price to pay for wisdom.
20:50:40 WILLdude: My bank charges ?13
20:50:52 aknap3: Most people insist on paying it
20:50:57 fiat500: then who was divs?
20:51:20 WILLdude: And since I can't actually get any way to efficiently sell my BTC, I'm fucked.
20:51:28 WILLdude: So I might as well keep them.
20:51:36 aknap3: WILLdude: you are not fucked if you learned something!
20:51:40 jurov: came back after 4 hrs. dat scrollback. gods.
20:51:41 WILLdude: haha
20:51:54 aknap3: if you didn't, then yes, you are very fucked
20:51:57 WILLdude: I'll keep them in the shares for a while.
20:52:26 jurov: willdude i can prolly send you these few euros in envelope
20:52:29 fiat500: can anyone else access btct?
20:52:38 ThickAsThieves: no
20:52:46 aknap3: fiat500, I can. they probably just banned you
20:52:49 aknap3: :)
20:52:58 ThickAsThieves: i can access once in a while
20:52:59 aknap3: but I have no idea if trades are working
20:53:00 dub: for varing values of access
20:53:02 ThickAsThieves: and almost place an order
20:53:13 fiat500: cloudfart says "this website is offline"
20:53:18 WILLdude: jurov: What do you mean?
20:53:23 aknap3: had that on and off for the past couple hours or so
20:53:41 jurov: dude you want to sell bitcoins and get fiat, no?
20:53:48 fiat500: has AM-PT paid divs yet?
20:53:55 fiat500: jurov: he cant have me
20:54:03 joecool: jurov: i do right now
20:54:19 jurov: wat
20:54:32 joecool: i have a fiat shortage
20:54:38 joecool: atm
20:54:54 joecool: oh not a trading channel, whoops :P
20:54:55 ThickAsThieves: only TAT AM PTs have paid divs
20:55:08 ThickAsThieves: everyone else is waiting for AM's freshly minted coins to confirm
20:55:15 dub: ah
20:55:34 dub: I knew they would derp something up with solo mining
20:55:46 jurov: AM pays fresh coins out???
20:56:03 jurov: they should have kept them and pay something other
20:56:07 dub: they just started solo so presumably they'll have to
20:56:07 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: oh, thanks
20:56:11 fiat500: you are benevolent
20:56:14 jurov: and sell them on silk road
20:56:31 fiat500: thank you for the.. 0.016 btc you sent me early
20:56:31 dub: you can get more for fresh coin?
20:56:32 fiat500: lulz
20:56:44 WILLdude: There is one option left, I guess.
20:56:48 jurov: i heard yes, they have no history
20:57:52 jurov: and no taint
20:58:09 mod6: heh, taint
20:59:20 dub: tried coming off pain meds yesterday, bad idea
20:59:56 WILLdude: Hmm..
21:00:17 WILLdude: Don't know if I should go to a slightly more expensive exchange or to reinvest.
21:01:17 WILLdude: But dammit, I don't think there is any way really to sell btc for gbp. No exchanges do bank deposits.
21:01:28 WILLdude: Wire is too expensive.
21:01:33 truffles: <dub> tried coming off pain meds yesterday, bad idea>>> take it like a man why do u need meds!
21:01:35 WILLdude: PayPal is too risky.
21:01:51 WILLdude: I'm starting to think I should just buy porn with it. :)
21:01:53 WILLdude: KJ
21:01:55 WILLdude: *KJ
21:01:59 WILLdude: *JK
21:01:59 fiat500: **KJ
21:02:05 WILLdude: ***JK
21:02:17 kakobrekla: chill
21:02:30 jborkl: dub, solo mining should have nothing to do with this
21:02:47 jcpham: solo solo solo
21:02:56 jcpham: liquid honey blocks
21:02:58 WILLdude: So
21:03:03 WILLdude: What to do.
21:03:06 fiat500: sex
21:03:06 dub: jborkl: sounds liek they tried to spend coins before 120 confirms
21:03:13 jcpham: buy back in WILLdude
21:03:13 jborkl: you cant
21:03:18 kakobrekla: WILLdude #bitcoin-trollbox
21:03:22 jborkl: it is locked in immature balance
21:03:23 fiat500: lol
21:03:48 jcpham: dub i've detox'd from fentanyl twice now
21:03:52 jcpham: there is light at the end
21:04:16 dub: jcpham: its not the detox its the pain
21:04:17 fiat500: if you spend it they will come
21:04:34 jcpham: ohhhhhh
21:04:41 jcpham: smoke weed erryday
21:05:36 benkay: +1 jcpham
21:05:42 benkay: works for hangovers, detox
21:05:48 benkay: butthurt miners
21:05:56 dub: not so good for broken bones
21:07:12 benkay: if you have broken bones, you get the good stuff, which i think is actual root of problem?
21:07:35 jurov: and it's likely too expensive initially for you
21:08:03 jurov: so just wait these few years
21:08:03 kakobrekla: just use gaystamp
21:08:22 dub: got tramadol, problem being after a few days the pain is completely gone so dub stops taking them
21:08:49 jurov: did you try acupunture?
21:09:10 truffles: or meditation
21:09:21 jcpham: tramadol i heard kids are abusing ultram these days
21:09:25 WILLdude: No.
21:09:28 WILLdude: Actually
21:09:32 jcpham: if you take enough it makes you drowsy i think
21:09:32 WILLdude: I'm selling.
21:09:50 dub: tramadol is fine
21:09:55 WILLdude: I might buy into BTC again, but it's taking my life over.
21:09:59 jcpham: stop breaking the bones friend
21:10:23 truffles: might qualify for medical weed now good job
21:10:44 jcpham: i think like 20 US states have passed weed laws now
21:10:53 jurov: willdude tomorrow you'll come you want to get back in
21:10:54 jcpham: awkwardsituation
21:11:52 dub: erryone should join #bitcoin-trollbox
21:12:06 dub: I made a bitcoin bootup paste
21:12:17 WILLdude: I want to ban myself from havelock after this, on every day except wednesday.
21:12:28 ThickAsThieves: good idea
21:12:36 fiat500: ;join #bitcoin-trollbox
21:12:44 benkay: herp
21:12:55 fiat500: derp
21:13:02 WILLdude: eek
21:13:14 WILLdude: I almost have enough for 12 shares.
21:13:20 WILLdude: But not enough.
21:13:29 WILLdude: I'll put in the best bid I can.
21:15:19 WILLdude: BTC is on it's way back.
21:15:46 WILLdude: I learnt a lot from that, and it only cost me 0.026 btc!
21:16:08 fiat500: on its way back from what?
21:24:12 Willdude123: Hello again.
21:24:43 jurov: /o\
21:25:10 Willdude123: What exactly does that emoticon stand for?
21:25:20 fiat500: gasp
21:25:28 jborkl: Willdude , you talk too much
21:25:33 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
21:25:35 jborkl: not to be a asshole
21:25:43 Willdude123: Haha. Just found out this guy in the year above me got someone pregnant.
21:25:57 fiat500: year above? you're in school?
21:25:59 fiat500: quaint
21:26:02 jurov: dude it's facepalm
21:26:05 KRS-1: lol
21:26:11 Willdude123: Oh sorry.
21:26:18 dub: Willdude123: why do you have a wikipedia hostmask?
21:26:19 Willdude123: I apologize for being alive.
21:26:25 fiat500: I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA
21:26:39 jurov: NO THIS IS SPARTA
21:26:45 KRS-1: no..this is TEH INTERNETZ
21:26:52 kakobrekla: shutup.
21:26:53 mircea_popescu: fiat500 yea he's in school, we've been through all this during tuesday grilling session
21:26:55 mircea_popescu: grep the logs
21:26:59 fiat500: lmfao
21:27:11 fiat500: i see what you meant now about fucking a girl his age
21:27:27 Willdude123: dub, guess
21:27:38 Willdude123: Did I:
21:28:07 Willdude123: a) Ask for one, and got one, with me having no affiliation with wp at all?
21:28:30 Willdude123: b) Get one because I sometimes edit wikipedia?
21:28:51 dub: Willdude123: they are doing some kind of adopt-a-retard program?
21:28:52 jurov: dude how does editing wikipedia qualify you to trade and troll?
21:29:05 Willdude123: Wtf?
21:29:05 benkay: HELLO THIS IS DOG
21:29:16 fiat500: wrong room
21:29:21 dub: I am 11 and what is this
21:29:43 fiat500: 11 is the new 12
21:29:56 jurov: Willdude123: basically you don't have to cope with emotions and ego on wikipedia (or you can pretend not to)
21:30:03 jurov: here they'll get you
21:30:20 jurov: brutally
21:30:43 Willdude123: dub: What exactly about my behaviour leads you to believe that I am a 'retard'?
21:30:57 benkay: this guessing game among other things, will.
21:30:57 truffles: jcpham ure such a sneaky!
21:31:02 Willdude123: jurov, you really do
21:31:15 mircea_popescu: Willdude123 don't panic. being young is good enough.
21:31:15 Willdude123: You get arrogant people bullying new users.
21:31:29 jurov: Willdude123: cuz you panic everyday
21:32:19 Willdude123: Oh yeah, can someone ban me, and then unban me and ban me etc on request here?
21:32:19 truffles: <Willdude123> You get arrogant people bullying new users.>>> welcome to the internet
21:32:26 jurov: you seem to unable to just buy something and stick to it for extended perion
21:32:29 mircea_popescu: "There's good reason to believe the dividend payouts are going to be rather steady for a few more years."
21:32:34 mircea_popescu: guess who said this and about what.
21:32:45 Willdude123: TAT?
21:32:46 mircea_popescu: Willdude123 kinda hard to get banned really.
21:32:53 Willdude123: ASICM
21:33:01 truffles: internet bullys errrywhere
21:49:27 fiat500: a few more years
21:49:48 jurov: lol newbiejail.org .. similar thing for trust is to be expected soon
21:50:33 jurov: aka selling your btctalk cookie for 0.01 BTC
21:51:42 b0n1: what do you think about the legal situation of mtgox atm? How do you estimate the risk?
21:54:02 fiat500: 2.7
21:54:04 jborkl: Oh, SD is having a really bad day
21:54:19 ll: worse than yesterday?
21:54:19 furuknap: Bad doesn't even start to cover it.
21:54:35 jborkl: fuck yeah bad day
21:55:28 b0n1: fiat500, do you have to worry about account bans in the future?
21:55:58 fiat500: b0n1: what were you able to glean out of that 2.7 figure i pulled out of my ass?
21:56:07 ll: whoa -2800
21:56:26 kakobrekla: sdice brokd giving free money
21:56:30 jborkl: so , are all the AM divs in a logjam still ? or did some get through?
21:57:01 jborkl: Not TAT , since he paid his PT himself
21:57:10 fiat500: goodguyTAT
21:57:23 Scrat: kakobrekla: wat
21:57:32 ll: mine are still unconfirmed
21:58:02 ll: 0% network propagation too according to blockchain
21:58:20 fiat500: did they doublespend them all or some shit?
21:58:31 cole_albon: finally, Satoshi dice can get some press again!
21:58:31 fiat500: ;;tslb
21:58:54 BitHub: what happened to sdice?
21:59:17 jborkl: bad month
21:59:28 jborkl: last 2 days , really rough
21:59:37 BitHub: oh, any other news in the last 24hours?
21:59:52 jborkl: AM divs are stuck in a shitpile
22:00:02 jborkl: but no
22:00:08 jborkl: not much else
22:00:35 benkay: what does mean 'shitpile'?
22:00:58 BitHub: rip s.dice
22:01:16 Lizardbitcoin: hi
22:01:37 fiat500: benkay: is pile of shits
22:01:59 benkay: fiat500: as in div is shit and small?
22:02:14 jborkl: defenition of shitpile
22:02:22 jborkl: definition
22:03:25 benkay: is there something special about a shitpile or is this tx just taking forever to confirm for some hilaribad reason?
22:04:19 jborkl: we will see when it clears up
22:04:28 dub: got my divs fine
22:04:32 deadweasel: samtronthewardialer
22:04:33 jborkl: probably nothing special
22:04:42 deadweasel: destroyer of worlds
22:04:57 deadweasel: is what I named my first fragging quake pc
22:07:01 deadweasel: anybody ever war dial back in the day?
22:07:15 truffles: no
22:07:56 Lizardbitcoin: lol someone war dialed me once. I talked to them
22:08:21 truffles: ;;google war dial
22:08:49 Lizardbitcoin: this is like pre-internet
22:09:38 truffles: thats a looong time ago
22:09:50 deadweasel: Lizardbitcoin, what did he say?
22:10:00 deadweasel: good conversationalist>?
22:11:16 Lizardbitcoin: no .. it was like 2 minutes.. like Hi Joe (my friend whom i was expecting to call me)
22:11:33 Lizardbitcoin: then he was like I'm not joe... well who are you... don't remember too much more I was 11
22:12:44 dub: all the leet haxors war dial by hand
22:13:55 Tom_Servo: I got a few pissed off call backs when I tried war dialing as a kid. Parents had no idea what they were talking about and it turned into a bitchfest. I sat there trying to stifle my laughter.
22:16:04 Lizardbitcoin: aww man I remember logging into various bbs
22:16:32 benkay: today is internet nostalgia day on -assets.
22:16:40 dub: no
22:16:44 truffles: yes
22:16:47 benkay: scuse me, tech nostalgia.
22:16:58 aknap3: I ran a fidonet node
22:17:09 aknap3: <sniffle>
22:17:56 dub: its internet nostalgia day on #bitcoin-trollbox
22:18:36 Willdude123: Why is havelock suddenly introducing a trading fee?
22:19:23 truffles: suckers
22:19:44 benkay: another question might be why would any exchange not charge a trading fee?
22:19:49 fiat500: yeah..
22:20:49 BitHub: hey lulz
22:21:00 BitHub: butterfly labs hires a new ceo to improve their image
22:21:07 ThickAsThieves: willdude, the world is just trying to fund more ways to punish you
22:23:03 Lizardbitcoin: So do you guys thing ASICMINER-PT is overvalued?
22:23:19 ThickAsThieves: depends who you ask
22:23:29 ThickAsThieves: do you?
22:24:00 fiat500: i think its overvalued in the sense that the price is too high
22:24:13 Lizardbitcoin: Well I am not sure if my equation is missing something
22:24:17 fiat500: but undervalued because i think people are going to value it even higher before/if it crashes
22:24:26 Lizardbitcoin: i mean it's like 3k for 5 ghs right?
22:24:33 Lizardbitcoin: right now
22:24:39 dub: 5 wat?
22:24:45 fiat500: the lord works in mysterious ways
22:25:12 Lizardbitcoin: Well I read that ASICMINER is trying to get up to 230 THs right?
22:25:16 ThickAsThieves: an AM share isnt a specific amount of ghs
22:25:38 Lizardbitcoin: I understand the correlation isn't 1-1
22:25:39 ThickAsThieves: they wont put 200+TH online til more people are hashing than themselves
22:25:53 ThickAsThieves: imo
22:25:54 Lizardbitcoin: I understand that too
22:26:01 Lizardbitcoin: well that would tank the value of btc
22:27:14 jborkl: ?
22:27:28 ThickAsThieves: lol
22:27:40 ThickAsThieves: Liz, it doesnt work that way
22:27:42 Lizardbitcoin: that would put them firmly over 50% invoking the dreaded 51% fear auto sell mtgox bots
22:27:52 ThickAsThieves: well
22:28:06 ThickAsThieves: thats why they are selling hardware
22:28:25 ThickAsThieves: they can make money either way
22:28:28 Lizardbitcoin: lol someone's got to do it if BFL wont
22:28:35 ThickAsThieves: SDICE Profit This Month: -2809.39847788 BTC
22:28:37 ThickAsThieves: ouchie
22:28:52 fiat500: LOL
22:28:55 fiat500: whale is back?
22:29:00 fiat500: long live whale
22:29:02 ThickAsThieves: with a vengeance
22:29:03 Lizardbitcoin: how does a casino lose money?
22:29:12 ThickAsThieves: holes in its pockets
22:29:19 fiat500: by being provably fair
22:29:26 fiat500: its bound to happen
22:29:32 ThickAsThieves: here's how
22:29:40 dub: provablyfailed
22:29:45 ThickAsThieves: the owner takes all the income
22:29:47 jborkl: they can hash at differrnt pools. so 51 percent is a point of view in some ways
22:29:49 ThickAsThieves: and keeps betting it
22:29:49 fiat500: its got holes in its pocketses, precious
22:29:55 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: heh
22:29:59 ThickAsThieves: until he racks up the share pric
22:30:01 ThickAsThieves: e
22:30:02 ThickAsThieves: then
22:30:06 ThickAsThieves: he sells more shares
22:30:08 ThickAsThieves: like say
22:30:10 fiat500: you really think evoorhes is putting the income back into the game?
22:30:11 dub: jborkl: yeah, they could already be '51%'ing now
22:30:11 ThickAsThieves: 3 million more
22:30:14 ThickAsThieves: then
22:30:24 ThickAsThieves: he waits a while
22:30:32 ThickAsThieves: and starts betting all the income again
22:30:35 ThickAsThieves: except this time
22:30:39 ThickAsThieves: til he actually wins
22:30:48 ThickAsThieves: thus syphoning all the money out for himself
22:30:50 ThickAsThieves: bam.
22:30:50 Lizardbitcoin: that's true jbork but BTCGuild did go over a few weeks a go
22:31:04 benkay: not a bad scam, TAT.
22:31:06 dub: deepbit was over 50% for ages
22:31:17 ThickAsThieves: thats not all!
22:31:21 benkay: oh keep going please
22:31:22 benkay: i love it
22:31:27 ThickAsThieves: after he tanks the stock, from stealing all the money
22:31:31 ThickAsThieves: he uses that money
22:31:35 ThickAsThieves: to buy all the stock back
22:31:38 benkay: well of course
22:31:42 ThickAsThieves: and then sells his operation to a casino
22:31:46 ThickAsThieves: bam bam!
22:31:52 ThickAsThieves: pew pew!
22:31:56 benkay: he is after all, not your ordinary scammer.
22:32:06 Lizardbitcoin: screw writing my day trader app.. i'm going to write a freaking btc casino
22:32:16 benkay: way better idea, lizard.
22:32:26 benkay: a little a/b testing and you're in the home stretch
22:32:36 benkay: just remember to not operate out of anywhere that cares about gambling
22:33:31 bdk_kluge: You can probably safely operate on the moon until Newt Gingrich sends a fleet to colonize.
22:34:00 dub: guys kim dotcom invented 2fa https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/337332094562873344
22:34:06 dub: stop using it plox
22:34:24 dub: 2fa supports obesity
22:34:33 benkay: patent == invention
22:34:36 benkay: this guy
22:35:57 benkay: that said, there are a shitload of businesses that mega enables
22:35:58 bdk_kluge: Hope he doesn't sue for infringement!
22:36:11 benkay: mega+btc, I should say.
22:36:39 benkay: and it's not just mega. i'm stoked to the bone for encrypted storage and in-browser decryption providers to proliferate.
22:36:45 Lizardbitcoin: you guys hear about what happened in england?
22:36:58 dub: terrorists
22:37:13 dub: every time someoen dies on earth from now on, it was terrorists
22:37:22 mircea_popescu: totally.
22:37:27 dub: kitten stuck in tree, terrorists
22:37:44 dub: kid caught masturbating by mom, terrorist plot
22:38:02 truffles: dub stop inciting terrorism
22:38:23 dub: americans too fat, terrorists
22:39:05 Lizardbitcoin: Obama can't pass gun control... terrorists
22:39:13 Lizardbitcoin: ...
22:39:20 dub: who is obama?
22:40:01 Lizardbitcoin: I'm pretty sure he's a terrorist
22:40:10 mircea_popescu: i can't believe people still care about the fat german kid.
22:40:17 mircea_popescu: wtf, what's next, alanis morisette ?
22:40:22 benkay: nah dogs, that's just islam.
22:40:41 benkay: although i'm pleased to see london categorizing islam as terrorism.
22:41:22 aknap3: could have done the same to Christianity during the crusades
22:41:46 aknap3: how about: irrational thinking leads to lunacy?
22:42:00 Lizardbitcoin: Well it seems accurate. Political motive behind it removing our governments from his country or whatever
22:42:00 fiat500: mircea_popescu: where do you get your material from
22:42:21 benkay: tautological, aknap3
22:42:37 mircea_popescu: fiat500 what you mean ?
22:42:38 benkay: topologically identical to "idiots are idiots"
22:42:38 aknap3: benkay: was trying to be kind, screwed up
22:43:01 aknap3: more like religious nutjobs are dangerous...
22:45:03 fiat500: mircea_popescu: you're pretty funny
22:45:08 fiat500: is gd
22:50:52 dub: dotcom makes better music than alanis
22:55:02 benkay: mircea_popescu, the german is uninteresting, it's the easily-accessible encrypted storage that's interesting.
22:55:16 mircea_popescu: not what he's delivering
22:55:36 benkay: talking about 2fa?
22:56:43 Lizardbitcoin: lol alright truffles or should I call you Loki
22:56:53 mircea_popescu: let's make sure we;re on the same page here.
22:57:17 truffles: just look at irc, lots of lost souls needing guidance..
22:57:23 mircea_popescu: some german fatass with a prior for insider trading made a pirating site and raked in big via publicity.
22:57:53 mircea_popescu: he proceeded to change his name to retard-dood, buy whatever cars etc.
22:57:59 truffles: no call me truffles
22:58:09 mircea_popescu: meanwhile his contribution to anything was nil.
22:58:24 mircea_popescu: after getting out of that mess he came out with something he claimed is encryption
22:58:31 dub: man
22:58:39 mircea_popescu: except it was so full of holes it quickly became the laughingstock of the interwebs
22:58:41 dub: mircea_popescu has sure bought the propaganda
22:58:42 mircea_popescu: we are here.
22:59:10 mircea_popescu: dub which part is problematic you say ?
22:59:33 dub: most of it
22:59:56 dub: he took some silly pictures with girls and cars
23:00:10 dub: thats about what he's dont wrong
23:00:14 dub: done*
23:00:48 Lizardbitcoin: There is a difference between leadership and being ruled. One is voluntary.. the other not so much.
23:00:48 benkay: oh it's not terribly hole-y. just, you know, written by idiots.
23:00:50 mircea_popescu: ...
23:00:57 mircea_popescu: benkay rly.
23:01:11 mircea_popescu: basically, he's a media whore. i have very little time for that.
23:01:13 benkay: someone, some day, will get it right.
23:01:23 benkay: implementation details aside guys
23:01:32 benkay: still very interested in browser decryption
23:01:39 dub: he was made into a media whore by holywood
23:01:59 dub: they decided he was an easy mark out of all the people running the same service
23:02:11 dub: and made him famous, he just happens to like it
23:03:27 mircea_popescu: i don't see ghow this disproves the "his contribution is nil" part.
23:04:01 mircea_popescu: just another hick from wherever momentarily being used for whatever "reality show".
23:04:10 benkay: but who cares about the humans
23:04:16 mircea_popescu: me.
23:04:22 truffles: lies
23:04:30 benkay: when vastly smarter people are now noodling on how to do in-browser decryption.
23:06:57 benkay: which is cool and awesome and enables all sorts of copyright-circumventing business models in conjunction with btc. arguing about the german is a little?forest for the trees.
23:07:34 benkay: who cares about this character satoshi? cryptocurrency implementations are vastly more interesting and profitable.
23:07:35 truffles: who is the german??
23:07:38 benkay: nahmean?
23:07:59 mircea_popescu: benkay that was my original point. i dunno why anyone still even mentions the dood
23:08:39 benkay: heh.
23:08:41 mircea_popescu: except it's more usagi than satoshi
23:10:05 truffles: Who is the German????
23:11:55 fiat500: kaiser hitler
23:12:15 truffles: Max kaiser?
23:12:22 truffles: he's awesome
23:12:23 fiat500: truffles: they are talking about kimdotcom
23:12:38 truffles: oh thought he was australian
23:12:42 fiat500: king of internet
23:12:44 fiat500: no
23:12:55 fiat500: woe is truffles
23:14:31 truffles: Kim Dotcom - Mr President, this is a nice attempt
23:44:40 dub: heh
23:44:51 dub: we just logged an inbound DDoS from cloudflare
23:46:05 fiat500: neat
23:46:25 fiat500: dub: ddos or people checking for their fucking AM-PT divs? :P
23:48:01 dub: looks like a web appliance trying to initiate a dns reflection
23:48:32 fiat500: urgh