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00:01:09 mircea_popescu: .

00:01:19 mircea_popescu: yaty gribble. lol.

00:02:20 mircea_popescu: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/89787/choose-your-own-exponents-in-rsa

00:03:20 mircea_popescu: apparently some people are following.

00:03:51 mircea_popescu: the fact that someone would spend the time to type in a 12 paragraph, 500 word reply made out of pure banal WITHOUT BOTHERING TO READ THE ARTICLE

00:04:14 mircea_popescu: or to understand specifically what's being said or anything whatsoever... people must be real lonely.

00:04:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l, my comment is gone

00:04:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109300 @ 0.00028099 = 30.7122 BTC [+] {3}

00:04:27 asciilifeform: or hm, nm

00:04:30 asciilifeform: different stackexchange

00:05:03 mircea_popescu: he quotes "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA.". the full quote is "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA. The point is that you don't know what exact implementation flaws the NSA is or may be relying on, and for this

00:05:04 mircea_popescu: reason giving as little quarter as possible is the correct policy."

00:05:05 mircea_popescu: why even.

00:10:03 jurov: mike_c this looks weird: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/nubsy/

00:11:03 jurov: "top kek"

00:11:03 mircea_popescu: it's a legit user.

00:11:09 jurov: yes, i meant the graph mostly

00:12:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142070 << it's a different sort of thing to do, hence the art discussion in the original.

00:12:06 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:12:46; ascii_field: trinque: i dare say that -no one- can make money doing -this-

00:13:51 mike_c: I'll put on the list: "make 1-1 trust graph look better" :)

00:14:18 mircea_popescu: mike_c incidentally it could just be a xckd-ish cartoon/joke

00:14:27 mircea_popescu: if you have the energy.

00:14:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142075 << haha, isn't THAT the age old question.

00:14:40 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:16:30; jurov: can one go to mars by carefully cultivating their mind?

00:15:25 mircea_popescu: and by the way, have any of the young eager minds here a la pete_d actually read dali's LIFE ? orwell reminds us it is certainly on the list.

00:18:22 BingoBoingo: Also apparently medchem has its own Unix problem http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/05/21/crappy_antibodies_available_now_and_for_the_foreseeable_future.php

00:19:29 mircea_popescu: it does. it would. it sucks more than bad unix.

00:19:50 BingoBoingo: The problem of how many of the marketed moving parts work as advertised and only as advertised.

00:20:55 BingoBoingo: No need to imagine if there were a dozen different versions of 'cat' because that's our situation

00:21:15 mircea_popescu: problem is deeper than that, and scales exponentially.

00:21:42 mircea_popescu: if you wish to make sure your salt is salt, spectrometric assay is cheap and purity is a matter of weighing.

00:22:07 mircea_popescu: if you wish to verify an -usually unstable- 28k molecule compound, spectrometric assay is impractical and purity can in principle not even be established.

00:23:01 Hasimir: wow, I never thought I'd discover paypal's kryptonite so quickly ...

00:23:32 mircea_popescu: you had ?

00:23:33 BingoBoingo: Indeed. All of a sudden you've got to put the stuff in a controlled solution and break out the X-Rays and magnification

00:23:50 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and by the time you're done... you know it WOULD HAVE BEEN USEFUL. but you used it up.

00:24:04 mircea_popescu: like the little girl that got sent to buy matches and make sure threy burn! so she came home with no matches

00:24:06 BingoBoingo: Of course

00:24:08 mircea_popescu: because she had burned them.

00:25:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133250 @ 0.00027205 = 36.2507 BTC [-] {2}

00:31:03 jurov: sooo... http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html finally looks like it's getting somewhere

00:32:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142104 << i'm aware, and i think it's amusing, just how varied this cult is, or in other words http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138869

00:32:03 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:38:05; ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough.

00:32:03 assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 10:15:46; justJanne: The largest issue is that many people discussed with me, each having different opinions.

00:32:05 mircea_popescu: jurov sweet. but could the repeated string Author be replaced with the nick ?

00:32:21 jurov: yes, it's planned

00:32:25 mircea_popescu: coolness

00:33:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142114 << apparently he doesn't think so, which is strange. i do.

00:33:49 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:44:12; trinque: ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production?

00:33:59 mircea_popescu: not terribru concerning, this disagreement.

00:36:13 jurov: mod6, ben_vulpes, everyone: http://bluesky/ml/test/patches.html needs to manually fill data for "Released in/Based on" columns - just version strings for every patch, help appreciated

00:37:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142132 << they "could have" so they "might as well have had!!1". the all-consuming four points of the book are at work in the belly of hte beast itself, disgesting its own limbs.

00:37:13 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 19:03:42; trinque: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/21/nsa-plan-find-osama-bin-laden-infiltrating-medical-supply-chain/ << subtext, NSA caught Bin Laden

00:37:13 mircea_popescu: because... if you can you must.

00:38:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116950 @ 0.0002841 = 33.2255 BTC [+] {2}

00:38:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, that reddit suggests to me we shall soon have reddit/hn/twitter/facebook/everything accounts, each and every last one of us. and we won't even have to man them :D

00:39:40 mircea_popescu: !s enigmail

00:39:41 assbot: 9 results for 'enigmail' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=enigmail

00:40:42 mircea_popescu: mmmmkay.

00:41:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wat

00:41:52 asciilifeform: ah that.

00:42:07 mircea_popescu: AsciilifeformOfficial sez : plox use enigmail kthx bai

00:42:17 asciilifeform: wai where

00:42:22 mircea_popescu: in the future.

00:42:25 asciilifeform: aha.

00:42:27 asciilifeform: surely.

00:42:29 BingoBoingo: !b 5

00:42:30 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/168S2P8.txt )

00:42:35 asciilifeform: signed with twiddled key no less.

00:42:43 mircea_popescu: lol srsly.

00:42:50 asciilifeform: by cosmic ray (TM)

00:43:32 mircea_popescu: "nsa's pgp keyservers not responsible for fraud - there is a history of cosmic rays having done this before"

00:43:36 jurov: yes, there are atempts to use an AI to continue online activity of the deceased

00:43:42 asciilifeform: !s dead souls

00:43:44 assbot: 7 results for 'dead souls' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dead+souls

00:43:55 jurov: when done, will be surely extended to living

00:43:58 mircea_popescu: i think the point here is more along the lines of AD not AI

00:44:09 mircea_popescu: no further research needed.

00:44:11 asciilifeform: btw, all keys on sks having pub-e of 281479271743489 are 'magical.'

00:44:18 asciilifeform: tested today.

00:44:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's the cosmic ray magic number.

00:45:03 asciilifeform: surely.

00:45:13 mircea_popescu: you see chitlin, cosmic rays don't often interfere with digital computers. but when they do, they always stamp in 281479271743489.

00:47:51 BingoBoingo: It's God's righteous number

00:48:02 BingoBoingo: You jsut hafta bereave

00:49:21 mircea_popescu: cosmic rays come from Social Justice not from god you heathen

00:49:36 asciilifeform: from HumanRights (TM)

00:49:56 asciilifeform: phun phakt: ukrs officially rescinded HumanRights (TM) (R) in ua! just the other day

00:50:04 mircea_popescu: orly ?

00:50:08 mircea_popescu: they can do that ?

00:50:08 asciilifeform: aha

00:50:13 asciilifeform: poor orcs

00:50:29 BingoBoingo: Ur prolly right, Any benevolent cosmic ray god would not allow this http://i.imgur.com/i0sbSYb.jpg

00:51:29 asciilifeform: http://rt.com/news/205919-ukraine-bockade-rebel-areas << jurov can enjoy the rt

00:52:29 mircea_popescu: bockade ? did they send pedos at the protestors ?

00:52:29 asciilifeform: http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/266980.html

00:53:29 asciilifeform: ^ from horse's mouth

00:53:29 mircea_popescu: lol!

00:53:29 mircea_popescu: eagerly awaiting the kerrys of this world going "the atrocities in ukraine are due to russia!!1 the ukr govt clearly said they would break geneva convention unless russia buys them a popsicle and russia didn't!!11"

00:53:43 asciilifeform: the whole idiot 'international komyoonity' edifice can digest any contradiction, likely

00:53:46 asciilifeform: but the lulz!

00:53:51 jurov: ;;merkel already did

00:53:52 gribble: Error: "merkel" is not a valid command.

00:54:04 jurov: ;;google 281479271743489

00:54:05 gribble: Dealing with ext3 and sparse_super - Lists - Gnu: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-parted/2005-05/msg00070.html

00:54:17 asciilifeform: this comes a day after the ua parliament voted to stop paying debt

00:54:24 jurov: that numer appears in many places

00:54:33 asciilifeform: which is somehow not a default, because... ???

00:55:09 asciilifeform: jurov: 0x1000100010001

00:55:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142175 << for them sacking is pointless, they don't have a qual programme so they'd just get the same muppets in a diff hat and have to remake the political arrangements. cost, no benefit.

00:55:47 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 20:40:55; ascii_field: betcha - no one.

00:56:17 mircea_popescu: jurov i don't often cosmic ray, but when i cosmic ray i always every fourth bit.

00:56:29 BingoBoingo: Nordic System http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11347454/Mother-and-daughter-weigh-a-total-of-43-stone-and-get-34k-a-year-handouts-but-refuse-to-diet.html

00:57:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, we have now experimentally found the wavelength of cosmic rays.

00:57:29 mircea_popescu: they're four bits long.

00:57:29 asciilifeform: turns out!

00:57:29 asciilifeform: and are strongly attracted to start of pub-exponent.

00:57:29 asciilifeform: we now know how to deflect cosmic rays from spacecraft!

00:57:40 mircea_popescu: see, the way this works is, if the ray is going across the wire, then nothing happens. but if the ray goes through the wire, as it can happen rarely (random rotational positioning), then it hits every 4th bit.

00:57:48 mircea_popescu: fiat physics!

00:57:59 mircea_popescu: o yeah, let's patent this!

00:58:04 asciilifeform: but only for 49 bits.

00:58:08 asciilifeform: therewego.

00:58:26 mircea_popescu: A Method To Insulate Aircraft From Cosmic Rays Digitally. "just carry a large bunch of e's in a pile outside hte ship"

00:59:03 *: BingoBoingo should have done law school, or at least more Science classes so could at least become "patent agent"

00:59:22 mircea_popescu: you can still become nerve agent :D

00:59:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is not a default BECAUSE THEY VOTES.

00:59:55 mircea_popescu: jeez you don't know anything.

01:00:16 asciilifeform: aha.

01:01:24 BingoBoingo: Imma be a something

01:02:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Because the PGP Global Directory allows users to manage lost keys, it cannot use cryptographic mechanisms for verification. Instead, like mailing list servers and other public Internet services, the PGP Global Directory verifies a key by requiring a response to a verification email sent to each email address specified on the key. It also requires periodic re-confirmation for each advertised email address

01:02:15 mircea_popescu: by soliciting a response to a re-verification email."

01:02:21 mircea_popescu: am i slow or something ? wut ?

01:02:43 asciilifeform: a few of the faux keys are labeled 'pgp corp. global directory'

01:02:48 mircea_popescu: o nm

01:02:51 mircea_popescu: reading on the log...

01:02:51 *: BingoBoingo thinks asciilifeform would make excellent motivational speaker

01:02:54 asciilifeform: which is how i found the lolzatron

01:03:33 jurov: http://blog.easydns.org/2015/05/20/unfortunately-we-have-renewed-our-icann-accreditation/ << related, compulsory domain email re-verification

01:04:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142195 << the list of people who died of starvation ?

01:04:33 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 21:22:14; *: ascii_field found this by looking at The List, of course

01:04:44 asciilifeform: l0l

01:04:46 asciilifeform: the other one.

01:05:09 jurov: is the former public?

01:05:21 asciilifeform: jurov: aha. posted on mircea_popescu's www

01:05:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64650 @ 0.00028515 = 18.4349 BTC [+]

01:05:34 asciilifeform: jurov: http://fraudsters.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations

01:06:36 mircea_popescu: Endnotes [1] It's since been pointed out to me that renewals don't trigger WAPs. Renewals were in the original specification but the Registrars Stakeholder Group managed to get it taken out.

01:06:36 mircea_popescu: heh it explains why im not getting flooded.

01:06:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess we'll be moving to our own internet sooner than anyone anticipated.

01:07:46 mircea_popescu: "One of the commenters on your other linked post (from when the policy was announced last year) mentioned having to create a Gmail account just to resolve the problem. Sure, that's a hardship after the fact, but there's little harm in proactively creating a Gmail account solely for the purpose of WHOIS contact."

01:07:51 mircea_popescu: oh fuck you in the head already

01:07:58 mircea_popescu: jesus christ these people.

01:08:24 mircea_popescu: "you can not have an independent domain without a facebook account! internet OF THINGS, bitch!"

01:08:28 asciilifeform: why spam drop has to be in 'gmail' ? (not that this isn't one of the few remaining uses of it)

01:09:11 asciilifeform: or is it the tls idiocy

01:09:31 asciilifeform: where 'plebe' domains can't actually receive mail from 'brahmin' domains

01:10:16 mircea_popescu: it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them...

01:10:30 mircea_popescu: (you recall, she used her own set-up in her own office, the nsa couldn't get her emails aha)

01:11:06 mircea_popescu: so now a contrived icann policy that, no doubt atr some point in the retarded comissions, had "it'll prevent private webservers" as a +

01:11:09 asciilifeform: they were pissed after having to spend fiddybux bribing server monkey, aha

01:11:16 mircea_popescu: myeah.

01:11:20 mircea_popescu: anywa, whaty about this spaf dude ?

01:11:45 mircea_popescu: it's just a link under a page of cv-derp

01:11:49 asciilifeform: claims to be 'professor of xyz', blog on spambler appeared from nowhere, sole post is reprint of the idiot crud

01:12:53 mircea_popescu: all i see is a link to it.

01:13:05 asciilifeform: aha link

01:13:34 asciilifeform: to the word salad version

01:13:46 mircea_popescu: Hasimir you should probably look into gossipd while at it, to understand why we think very little indeed of all these "solutions" or w/e they are, colored sugar beads.

01:13:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform weird.

01:13:58 asciilifeform: aha

01:14:39 asciilifeform: http://spaf.cerias.purdue.edu/usgov/index.html << also l0l

01:15:39 *: asciilifeform not convinced that the earlier link has anything to do with the fella featured in above

01:15:39 mircea_popescu: "They found 30 keys with a subkey having one of the

01:15:39 mircea_popescu: first 1000 primes as a factor." <<< aha. somebody's not really done their reading

01:15:39 mircea_popescu: seeing how 10 digit factors and more keys are actually on display in published fucking articles.

01:15:43 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them... << She used exchange, prolly pissed they had to risk a zero day

01:15:54 BingoBoingo: !up gavmatic

01:15:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all the 10-digiters i found so far were, iirc, composite

01:16:04 gavmatic: thanks

01:16:21 asciilifeform: so the small-primes thing isn't nonsense off the bat

01:16:27 BingoBoingo: gavmatic: I saw you've done some bitcoin news sort of posts on your blog

01:16:30 asciilifeform: but the 'yeah we knew all this' is a typical crock'o'shit, yes

01:16:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how composite ? i clearly recall there being primes longer

01:16:40 mircea_popescu: brb

01:16:57 gavmatic: yes i've submitted some stuff

01:16:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i only got a chance to test the first 9 or so

01:17:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will need to automate this, yes

01:17:24 gavmatic: it's more a hobby at the moment, writing i think is over valued in our culture :)

01:17:30 gavmatic: err under valued

01:17:49 mircea_popescu: 73014444049 = 17 * 641 * 6700417

01:17:52 mircea_popescu: first one i looked at

01:17:54 asciilifeform: aha

01:18:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: none of it surprises, random n will normally have many small primefactors

01:18:04 mircea_popescu: now, 7 digit thing is prime. eminently not in the first 1k

01:18:09 BingoBoingo: gavmatic: Seriously consider submitting some pieces to qntra

01:18:25 mircea_popescu: actuallky not even in the first 1mn, obviously.

01:18:25 BingoBoingo: !gettrust gavmatic

01:18:26 assbot: Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user gavmatic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=gavmatic | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/gavmatic/

01:18:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, but folks normally speak of the smallest prime factor

01:18:32 gavmatic: thank you for the suggestion

01:18:45 asciilifeform: (why? ask'em)

01:19:08 BingoBoingo: gavmatic: It's a way for you to write and accumulate shares which may have value eventually. Also qntra can always use moar text

01:19:43 gavmatic: I understand, thank you very much for the offer, I will keep this in mind.

01:19:48 BingoBoingo: !rate gavmatic 1 prospect in textfarm system

01:19:48 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f1bda7d6d3a631e8

01:20:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the implication i read in the quoted line was along the lines of Apocalyptic s http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-05-2015#1140786

01:20:07 assbot: Logged on 20-05-2015 20:54:58; Apocalyptic: I multiply then the modulus N by 3 (or any other small prime, the value doesn't matter)

01:20:11 mircea_popescu: but perhaps i misread.

01:20:39 BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.gavmatic.1:0bae20ad25ba58bc558f2be25839dd89ce2b9d14a02fc037319734fe92bbf8e9

01:20:39 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for gavmatic with note: prospect in textfarm system

01:20:59 jurov: mircea_popescu: pls to mpex queue. and there's a lulzy bug, CANCEL|1 responds the order is mangled despite i do have this order

01:21:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142235 << so wait, we have actual experimental confirmation for the fabled http://fraudsters.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#selection-383.0-383.773 ?!

01:21:24 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 21:54:53; ascii_field: LinuxCon and he told me that some folks complained that they can't encrypt to him. For other this was no problem, though.' << this part should surprise no one. the boobytrap works on -someone-.

01:22:24 mircea_popescu: can they actually SAY WHO ?

01:22:24 mircea_popescu: jurov on it.

01:22:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic started out by suggesting - correctly - that having, e.g., 3 - as factor - was not proof of weakness by itself, because one could take mircea_popescu's modulus, multiply by 3

01:22:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. and the implication i read was "a small prime AND ONLY THAT SMALL PRIME"

01:22:40 asciilifeform: but this was, presumably, before he finished reading and learned -why- 3 was a factor

01:22:44 mircea_popescu: otherwise i have nfi why what the guy said is worth saying

01:22:59 asciilifeform: iirc he 'shot first before asking questions'

01:23:01 mircea_popescu: (the guy = on the email list linked above we're discussing)

01:23:07 asciilifeform: ah -that- one

01:23:42 asciilifeform: i haven't a clue on whom the trap sprung

01:23:57 asciilifeform: all the private meangurlz whispering, srsly, l0l

01:24:26 *: BingoBoingo has been meaning to watch that film

01:24:37 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mega-recommended

01:27:15 *: BingoBoingo may or may not be putting it on a certain que

01:28:14 *: BingoBoingo has watched 'Milliona Dollar Baby' too many times this month

01:29:18 *: BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en

01:30:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he thinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem

01:30:42 asciilifeform: where the shit gets to turn into wine rather than vice-versa (what it does on -our- planet)

01:30:52 BingoBoingo: Perhaps he aspires to master C machine?

01:31:05 asciilifeform: not seeing this intention in his works thus far

01:31:11 asciilifeform: but i'll let the man himself explain

01:31:14 asciilifeform: when he feels like it

01:32:55 BingoBoingo: To be fair odd idea people find their way here and he wants a Lispy Unix. You tried to break Opterons into Lisp-Machiners.

01:33:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but he is even more broadly mistaken in imagining that market will pay enough for -any- operating system to support a moiety, much less a grown man

01:33:10 BingoBoingo: Sometimes one needs to ride the rail before finding a train

01:33:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i tried many things

01:33:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't get the impression his expectation is being directly paid.

01:34:14 BingoBoingo: My impression is he want's those support contracts Redhat failed and was cannabilized upon

01:34:42 asciilifeform: how he planned to turn it into food&rent, i have no clue, but he implied knowing of a way.

01:35:04 *: BingoBoingo still works on polishing his portfolio yards polishing his mexican credentials

01:35:30 mod6: <+jurov> mod6, ben_vulpes, everyone: http://bluesky/ml/test/patches.html needs to manually fill data for "Released in/Based on" columns - just version strings for every patch, help appreciated << this is 404 for me.

01:36:30 asciilifeform: wai wat

01:36:30 mircea_popescu: bluesky ?!

01:36:30 mircea_popescu: mod6 baby what happened there ?

01:36:47 mircea_popescu: you forgot to click the confirm link in your icann email ? :D

01:37:13 asciilifeform: forget for two weeks and it's the dulap !

01:38:09 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeopleenvy/comments/33bqni/i_envy_beach_hams/cqndpya

01:39:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142238 << dude check out the retarded children of today. "hi would you talk to me privately seeing how i'm too autistic to engage in the proper channels, of which i have a bevy at my disposal from www to irc ?" "no. and get your head out of your ass." "oh you know what ? I AM GOING TO PUBLISH YOUR EMAIL NAO BECAUSE MY HEAD WORKS FINE INSIDE MY ASS"

01:39:09 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 21:56:03; Hasimir: but has since said he's not interested (the follow up by DKG has that)

01:39:09 mircea_popescu: what exactly is happening in the us ? is it a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland where children are brought up mostly by wolves and weevils ?

01:39:09 asciilifeform: weevils.

01:39:09 mircea_popescu: have you people no families, no fathers, do you not spend any time with your parents, is there no school, are there no books, nothing ?

01:39:09 asciilifeform: last wolf at his luger long ago

01:39:12 asciilifeform: *ate

01:39:12 mircea_popescu: sometimes it looks like a separate planet.

01:40:06 mircea_popescu: in what world is this sort of behaviour tolerated even of seven year olds, in their first year of schooling ?

01:40:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is a loose network of people who had fathers, went to school, read the occasional book even. for the bulk of the rest of the schmucks - above applies, yes

01:40:28 decimation: lul > " one count of "operating as an airman without an airman's certificate"" < so if he did not practice and prepare for his flight, and rampantly disregarded safety, would he not have 'operated as an airman'

01:40:40 asciilifeform: decimation: and i bet that thing is under weight limit

01:40:40 mircea_popescu: lol. mmmyeah.

01:40:45 asciilifeform: below which - no license needed

01:40:50 asciilifeform: official usg law, no less

01:41:03 asciilifeform: he will have to sit down in the jail for trespassing

01:41:34 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 baby what happened there ? << not sure. anyway, even if I add in ".com" or w/e to that link jurov posted, still nada.

01:41:52 mod6: not sure what jurov was referring to.

01:43:03 decimation: "premeditated disregard for usg's rules"

01:43:31 asciilifeform: the hilarious part is the signed confession, apparently, -before- the flight

01:43:42 asciilifeform: (was not believed)

01:45:16 asciilifeform: ianal, but in usa, a machine below ~100kg is not considered an 'aircraft' and is not required to have items such as radio, lights, or a licensed flyer

01:46:02 Hasimir: I was pinged?

01:46:12 Hasimir: oh, quoted, nvm

01:47:05 mircea_popescu: mod6 im sure he meant http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html

01:48:05 mircea_popescu: Hasimir well since you're here...

01:48:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142245 << you got to be kidding right /

01:48:05 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:00:35; Hasimir: didn't spare all the boring folks

01:48:05 Hasimir: yo

01:48:18 mircea_popescu: what sort of argument is this supposed to be even, "it didn't spare all the boring folks".

01:49:04 mircea_popescu: i came here for an argument! this is just contradiction, an automated gainsaying of everything the op says!

01:49:32 BingoBoingo: So in case of Illinois vs. Bingo... Evidentiary hearing which was finally scheduled... continued again because St Clair County's State's Attourney has more asses than heads

01:49:49 mircea_popescu: lol how long has that thing been going nao ?

01:49:54 Hasimir: well, I'm not here for argument, I'm here to try and find out what the cause is

01:50:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Since May 2013

01:50:08 Hasimir: even if it is not directed by a malevolent actor

01:50:17 mircea_popescu: aite.

01:50:35 Hasimir: obviously if it is it'll be more interesting, but that's not enough to make it so ...

01:50:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know there is redress for it taking too long, but i dun think iut's taken too long enough yet.

01:50:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And I object to calling the case It's proper title because as and Illinois people I reject consensus on the people of Illinois vs. me title

01:50:52 mircea_popescu: Hasimir i dun see how it'd make it more interesting, but ok.

01:51:11 asciilifeform: i, for instance, will find it more interesting if we learn that it was caused by displeasure of the gods

01:51:16 asciilifeform: like earthquakes!

01:51:33 asciilifeform: (modern gods fire cosmic rays at sinners. earthquake - passe)

01:51:35 Hasimir: it'd be more interesting because then you get to pursue them to find out what they're up to, like in any good detective story

01:51:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142263 << which workload he conveniently DOES NOT present.

01:51:47 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:04:45; Hasimir: proving or disproving it would require merging multiple keys across a broad range of openpgp implementations and operating systems

01:52:00 mircea_popescu: do you understand what dismissal with prejudice is ?

01:52:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That redress is if they wait too long to file in the first place. But if hearing that takes 2 years to schedule has to be blown off because prosecutor whales aren't ready... Maybe I have a disposition by $5000/BTC

01:52:56 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 im sure he meant http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ahhh! ok. was soooo confused. was wondering if he bought a new domain ;)

01:53:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142266 << he is not attacking them "for doing so". he, and i, and ~the rest of the world~ is pointing and laughing at them for their hallucinogenic subjective positioning where they seem to regard themselves as some sort of authority to whjich things are proven.

01:53:56 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:06:44; Hasimir: no one on that list has said, "this is the answer" - they're discussing theories and you're attacking them for doing so, it seems a bit odd

01:53:56 mircea_popescu: b-a is the sitting authority, not some random twerps on the mailing list of some random usg-mandated security theatre "product"

01:53:56 Hasimir: mircea_popescu, I'm happy to test on the systems I've got here or have access to, but that's not a broad range

01:53:56 mircea_popescu: and THEY are the ones who are NOT at liberty to make claims other than humbly and with a lot of proof.

01:53:56 Hasimir: for example, there's no windows boxes here

01:53:56 mircea_popescu: because THEY are the inferiors in this social encounter.

01:54:10 BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/a/ShoCV

01:55:10 mircea_popescu: none of this having anything whatsoever to do with the actual math involved.

01:55:10 mod6: jurov: ahh, ok, so let's talk about the best way to do this when we get a chance.

01:55:10 asciilifeform: funny how the -only-, afaik, place where the maths have come up... is here.

01:55:10 asciilifeform: (and fraudsters)

01:55:17 Hasimir: so you want peer review, fine, who do you consider your peers?

01:55:28 mircea_popescu: !gettrust Hasimir

01:55:31 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Hasimir: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=Hasimir | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Hasimir/

01:55:35 mircea_popescu: ^ in there.

01:55:52 Hasimir: hrm ...

01:56:13 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I enthralled by assertions that "you can't get whole key package from factoring subkey" and yet... niggers.txt

01:56:32 asciilifeform: waiwat

01:56:45 mircea_popescu: Hasimir see http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ and http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ and so on.

01:59:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's what some derps quoted seems to suggest. Factoring dat subkey doesn't really give priv key

01:59:45 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: depends which subkey, of who

01:59:45 asciilifeform: some of these folks have only one subkey; others - two; etc

01:59:45 mircea_popescu: but on its face, the notion that someone would even be vaguely relevant for crypto and NOT be in the wot at all is so ridiculous as to defy the mind.

01:59:45 BingoBoingo: Suggestion: For every broken moduli Phuctor signs a message "lol, I suck cocks" from factored keys

01:59:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the thing is, some keys consist entirely of two moduli, both of which were factored.

01:59:45 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Which is the value of Phuctor signing a sucks cocks message

01:59:45 mircea_popescu: and the problem with that suggestion is that well, much more interesting to spend computational resources to enlarge the breach atm, than to go in depth.

01:59:45 mircea_popescu: time enough to do that once the whole keyset's been combed

01:59:45 Hasimir: depends on which wot really, I can think of one or two that would know the math well enough, but are not involved in bitcoin at all (the pgp wot, however, is another matter)

01:59:59 Hasimir: oh, not counting people on any of the gpg mailing lists

02:00:03 mircea_popescu: of course, any of these twerps peanut-gallery-ing around COULD use their time to do any of the useful things obviously allowed by phuctor having, generously and very uncharacteristically for THEIR FIELD published a lot of raw results

02:00:08 mircea_popescu: but they're not doing that, because idiots.

02:00:27 mircea_popescu: Hasimir if it can't interoperate with assbot's it doesn't matter.

02:00:30 BingoBoingo: Well with factors message signing shouldn't be too much CPU mathing, but I guess if at this rate ~98 keys sign "lol I suck cocks" at the end of sks dump processing makes better fraudsters post

02:00:33 mircea_popescu: let those people fix their broken implementation.

02:00:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah it appears to be because 'mircea_popescu is hitler and asciilifeform is mengele'

02:00:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform okay.jpg

02:00:52 mircea_popescu: for all the difference it's gonna make.

02:07:54 mircea_popescu: Hasimir what's LR incidentally ?

02:08:03 Hasimir: LR?

02:08:51 mircea_popescu: "My go-to guy for LR-to-BTC conversions at non-exorbitant rates!"

02:08:56 Hasimir: oh

02:09:02 Hasimir: Liberty Reserve

02:09:05 Hasimir: now dead

02:09:06 mircea_popescu: oh oh

02:09:26 Hasimir: yeah, that didn't last ...

02:10:18 Hasimir: apparently non-exorbitant was anything between 5 and 10% over spot

02:10:27 mircea_popescu: o.O

02:11:06 Hasimir: I'd found some site that let me turn the lrusd into mtgox coupon code things, so I just churned through it

02:11:19 mircea_popescu: yah i think lots of people doing that 2012ish

02:11:28 Hasimir: sounds about right

02:12:27 Hasimir: I can't complain, my initial stake came from a one night coding effort and then I traded on that and built it a little bit

02:13:07 Hasimir: given my laptop was bought with btc on -otc, I'm *way* ahead :)

02:14:06 mircea_popescu: works.

02:16:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121042 @ 0.00026846 = 32.4949 BTC [-] {2}

02:17:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172258 @ 0.00026577 = 45.781 BTC [-] {2}

02:19:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142287 << logically, if they're german it wouldnb't be the german FOREIGN intelligence ag would it now.

02:19:38 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:09:57; ascii_field: suggests to me - BND.

02:19:57 mircea_popescu: but the density of german ppls on that list is, as janna observed, significant enough to raise an eyebrow.

02:19:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the one sucking nsa cok

02:20:36 mircea_popescu: as opposed to what, bfv or w/e ?

02:21:15 asciilifeform: i suppose the cock is long enough to shishkebob them all

02:21:40 mircea_popescu: hey, free money.

02:23:58 mod6: danielpbarron: might be a good time to quick retest your key before the next batch

02:24:34 asciilifeform: aha. presently it's spinning wheels burning through the already tested material resubmitted (script lost place when box was powercycled by unknown hands)

02:24:43 asciilifeform: this might take most of night

02:24:51 asciilifeform: if you submit key now, it'll go in head of queue.

02:24:58 mircea_popescu: as it should. cool.

02:25:07 asciilifeform: i will point out, for the record, that i do not expect a proper key to break.

02:25:18 asciilifeform: but one of you fellas might be the lucky one.

02:25:33 mod6: i threw mine in there again, it's 2nd in line or something "(queued, 2 moduli remaining...)"

02:25:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142297 << o hey. care to enter a summary of that drama into the record ? i've always been vaguely curious but too lazy to actually put it on the intel list.

02:25:41 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:13:28; Hasimir: oh, did I forget to mention, I'm the treasurer of pirate party australia

02:25:43 asciilifeform: mod6: cruncher is presently off

02:26:10 mod6: is see what you're saying, i did it about ~5 mins ago. no worries.

02:26:33 mircea_popescu: Vexual patel very common name in india so prolly not.

02:26:35 mircea_popescu: !up Vexual

02:26:49 Hasimir: you mean the ppi thing?

02:27:04 mircea_popescu: yes

02:27:15 Hasimir: pretty sure it got published on piratetimes.net already

02:27:26 Hasimir: there's a few links, I'll dig them out

02:28:04 mod6: this new vaporizer tank i got is blowing my mind.

02:28:26 mod6: just thought i'd share that :]

02:28:33 asciilifeform: mod6: how's this

02:28:49 asciilifeform: (what is unusual about it)

02:28:58 mircea_popescu: !rate Hasimir 1 Rodney Serkowski, Pirate Party Australia

02:28:59 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6bf447a8c6c1193a

02:29:11 mod6: it's so much better than old one. i'll find a link...

02:29:19 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Hasimir.1:b81063ad8ebbe75386e6515c03fc2fa43965115006ee19ce8462d99372379307

02:29:19 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for Hasimir with note: Rodney Serkowski, Pirate Party Australia

02:29:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he put his mind in the vaporizer :D

02:29:50 asciilifeform: that'd do it.

02:31:06 mircea_popescu: Click here ( 153701009 digits). yum.

02:31:08 mod6: it's "sub ohm" 0.5ohm / Range 15-30W kangeronline.com/products/kanger-subtank-plus-clearomizer

02:31:22 mod6: mircea_popescu: hahah

02:31:33 BingoBoingo: mod6: What are you vaporizing?

02:31:36 Hasimir: oh, you know Rodney?

02:31:37 asciilifeform: mod6: beautiful lathe work

02:31:43 trinque: mod6: damn that thing looks nice

02:31:48 mircea_popescu: Hasimir apparently you do, seeing how he's the treasurer ?

02:32:00 mod6: BingoBoingo: 15mg nic

02:32:03 Hasimir: he was treasurer

02:32:09 mircea_popescu: o.O

02:32:12 Hasimir: now he's backpacking through europe

02:32:27 Hasimir: last I heard, somewhere near russia

02:32:41 mod6: the airflow on this thing is beatutiful

02:33:05 asciilifeform: mod6: what does it plug into? i see no power source

02:33:08 mircea_popescu: when did this happen then ?

02:33:30 Hasimir: well, I became treasurer in 2013, when he decided not to run again

02:33:30 mod6: asciilifeform: that's just the tank, there is a 30W battery that it screws into from the bottom.

02:34:27 mod6: mine is like: eleafworld.com/product/detail.php/eleaf-istick.html -- the one with the digital display i had with me in b-a.

02:34:34 Hasimir: everyone else seemed afraid of the job, but it's not hard

02:34:45 mircea_popescu: Hasimir intel says 2013, Ben McGinnes.

02:34:56 Hasimir: that's me

02:35:19 mircea_popescu: learn a new thing erryday

02:35:28 mod6: didn't i see Ben McGinnes just post something to the thread about MP & the keys on the gnupg list or w/e?

02:35:30 Hasimir: just like it says on my gpg key ;)

02:35:34 mircea_popescu: !rate Hasimir 1 Ben McGinnes, aparently the new treasurer of Pirate Party Australia

02:35:35 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8ff9ad7747daedca

02:35:55 *: mod6 looks back

02:36:01 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Hasimir.1:bf7f710965a166083dd04a45ca06e05d82edae78c00b64c6adc73075db7ee508

02:36:01 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Hasimir from 1 to 1 with note: Ben McGinnes, aparently the new treasurer of Pirate Party Australia

02:36:06 Hasimir: mod6, yep the silly question about the keyserver

02:36:11 Hasimir: mangling thingy

02:36:14 mod6: that was you?!

02:36:18 Hasimir: heheh

02:36:30 Hasimir: and a certain someone didn't twig ...

02:36:59 asciilifeform: mod6: http://www.eleafworld.com/product/detail.php/ipipe-ii-kit.html << lulzy

02:38:04 Hasimir: mircea_popescu, my other hats include co-founding cryptoparty, also in 2012, and writing the bulk of the ppau submission to the national security inquiry

02:38:14 mircea_popescu: which got ignored.

02:38:37 Hasimir: well of course it got ignored, we were in favour of a logical response

02:38:51 Hasimir: and they cried, "Because Terrorism!"

02:39:06 mircea_popescu: but anyway, if you're looking for work to do, there's http://fraudsters.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ which has a 25+btc pouch attached and most of the work done by mats an nubbins already, so cap it off and the lot of ya can then be paid

02:40:07 mod6: asciilifeform: hahhah i never knew!

02:40:07 cazalla: Hasimir, did you run that with asherwolf?

02:40:07 Vexual: Hasimir, any thought on the suggested shipping reforms?

02:40:07 Hasimir: cazalla, yep

02:40:07 Vexual: right answer

02:40:07 mod6: i used to smoke a pipe a long time ago.. not sure if I could get used to e-pipe. pipe tobacco has a nice smell, etc.

02:40:07 mircea_popescu: cazalla i hope you're all weirded out and inception-ed to fuck seeing how all your friends keep showing up in here.

02:40:07 cazalla: Hasimir, can't say i'm a fan.. and look it's Vexual! lol

02:40:51 Hasimir: cazalla, I do tend to describe that thing as my crypto problem child ... but, probably worth it

02:41:00 cazalla: Hasimir, it or her?

02:43:12 cazalla: mircea_popescu, what friends? i know Vexual from here!

02:43:20 mircea_popescu: aok

02:43:21 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

02:44:56 cazalla: and given Hasimir is from Melbourne, odds are he's a lefty and i'm hitler to those sorts down here

02:44:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142321 << not exactly impossible, tho such bugs are so often weaponized it's not worth making the distinction

02:44:56 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:18:20; ascii_field: and why would a 'bug' affect ONLY (!!!) 1) moduli 2) m^d mod n 3) exponent, which is ALWAYS 281479271743489 after the transformation, regardless of what it originally was 3) ALL FIELDS ARE CORRECTLY SIZED

02:45:33 mircea_popescu: cazalla what, you're impugning a whole city now ?

02:45:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the original suggestion, as i read it, was bug in -sks-

02:45:49 asciilifeform: creating, among other things, the valid sig

02:45:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, that's not happening.

02:45:53 asciilifeform: which is preposterous.

02:45:56 asciilifeform: aha.

02:46:05 mircea_popescu: now a bug in [some] gpg... who the fuck knows.

02:46:21 asciilifeform: 2 bugs

02:46:28 mircea_popescu: 3 secret bugs

02:46:30 asciilifeform: one to crap'em out, another - to swallow

02:46:34 mircea_popescu: and a fanatical devotion to the pope.

02:46:59 Hasimir: cazalla, it, not her and I'm more libertarian, but not the crazy american kind

02:47:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142330 << the difference is subtle, but it is present.

02:47:37 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:21:33; Hasimir: I never claimed to have answers, but you guys are locked into the "it must be a conspiracy" mindset and assuming any criticism is part of the conspiracy

02:47:48 mircea_popescu: Hasimir how's the crazy american kind ?

02:48:07 cazalla: mircea_popescu, seen enough of it to know the place serves as a magnet for sjw types

02:48:26 trinque: mircea_popescu: probably me

02:48:29 trinque: lol

02:48:33 asciilifeform: Hasimir: we have exacting standards for the criticism, is mostly it. you'd find the same treatment in, e.g., physics community circa 1890.

02:48:45 Hasimir: guns above all else, absolutely zero taxes, involvement in society, even if social security is what stops revolutions and blood in the streets, etc.

02:48:58 mircea_popescu: ic.

02:49:14 trinque: Hasimir: how bout yes to 1, voluntary 2, fuck 3

02:49:16 cazalla: Hasimir, not a fan of packing heat?

02:49:21 Hasimir: viewing foreign aid as a handout (instead of the bribery it is)

02:49:52 mircea_popescu: Hasimir the difference between handout and bribery appears as you switch context.

02:49:54 Vexual: ill bet he can make a hot espresso

02:49:55 mircea_popescu: they are the same text.

02:50:42 Hasimir: cazalla, I probably would if I could, but it seems to almost be a religion for some and I've never seen any religion avoid going to a bad place

02:50:56 mircea_popescu: haha that's a point.

02:51:10 mircea_popescu: except he doesn't wanna go to melbourne

02:51:43 Hasimir: it is a little cold, but the coffee is good

02:52:05 Vexual: 2 days on the train to melb, i don't sleep untill i get home

02:52:07 trinque: easy to grant that *any* political group in the states is packed with morons

02:52:13 trinque: the benefits of being armed stand on their own

02:52:26 Hasimir: Vexual, sleep is for the weak, during the week

02:52:30 Vexual: lol

02:52:34 mircea_popescu: trinque a lot more dubious than all that.

02:52:47 trinque: mircea_popescu: how so

02:52:49 mircea_popescu: being armed is like carrying a large 1980s laptop everywhere that can't be turned on

02:53:11 trinque: mircea_popescu: what would better protect my property or own life?

02:53:21 Hasimir: mind you, I live in a place where it's illegal to carry something as relatively tame as pepper spray

02:53:29 Hasimir: as I well know ...

02:53:36 trinque: mircea_popescu: though you and I have vastly different contexts within which to consider those problems

02:53:37 mircea_popescu: you know, just because there isn't a better solution of the same strength doesn't mean it's terribru good.

02:53:38 trinque: haha

02:53:43 trinque: I can grant that

02:53:50 cazalla: Hasimir, not much point calling the cops or ambos if a couple Refugee australis of the somalian kind rock up to your place, i'd much rather put 2 in their chest and compost em

02:53:51 trinque: I'm surrounded by orcs

02:53:58 trinque: meth-fueled even

02:54:00 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cazalla what, you're impugning a whole city now ? << Not like I don't indict whole cities for eventual Bingo Justice

02:54:27 mircea_popescu: trinque mind, i have lived like that, and for extended periods. contrary to what the outsiders think, nobody inside is really all that keen about having to drag the damned things around everywhere.

02:54:54 trinque: ah, yeah I don't carry

02:54:59 trinque: just keep some at home

02:55:00 mircea_popescu: and everyone that does eventually settles for equipment much exactly opposite of what the arms fans favour.

02:55:05 cazalla: Hasimir, what's the pirate party position on weaponry btw?

02:55:09 mircea_popescu: ie, light.

02:55:27 mircea_popescu: and no TaCtIcAl ScOpEz

02:55:34 trinque: lol, certainly not

02:55:44 trinque: a humble handgun and a rifle for sport

02:55:46 Hasimir: cazalla, we don't have a formal position on firearms, but we generally favour individual freedom

02:55:48 mircea_popescu: so the "nuts with guns" angle does have some merit to it fo sho.

02:55:58 mircea_popescu: actually...

02:56:01 mircea_popescu: !s crazy shit stick

02:56:02 assbot: 8 results for 'crazy shit stick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crazy+shit+stick

02:56:16 Hasimir: have a look at the bill of rights policy and draw your own conclusions ...

02:56:40 Hasimir: I suspect that if it came to a party vote I'd be in the minority and voting in favour

02:56:55 Hasimir: but we have more important policies to complete first

02:57:07 cazalla: yeah, it's a shame Australians are so fearful of guns

02:57:09 mircea_popescu: ah, the dirty work of politics. which to do first.

02:57:25 Hasimir: blame that fuckwit in tasmania

02:57:30 Hasimir: martin bryant

02:57:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some of the 'crazy shit stick' thing is a result of u.s. folks -forbidden- to carry. the stick grows 'tumours' from being kept in safe anyway

02:58:01 asciilifeform: it's like a soviet tank on a pedestal in cemetary

02:58:08 asciilifeform: might as well weld little flowers to it

02:58:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform /me knows but what shall i say of it anymore, it's an opaque topic on the basis of erryday experience.

02:58:57 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: some of the 'crazy shit stick' thing is a result of u.s. folks -forbidden- to carry. the stick grows 'tumours' from being kept in safe anyway << Fading fast, apparently even I with paper work could carry "crazy shit stick"

02:58:59 asciilifeform: u.s. small arms enthusiasts have separate category in their literature called 'carry'

02:59:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ianal, but in u.s. locales rich in orcs, 'carry' is normally forbidden

02:59:41 Vexual: when i read carry i imagine a kei truck

02:59:42 BingoBoingo: <trinque> a humble handgun and a rifle for sport << FLip that Rifle for carry and pistol for sport

02:59:52 cazalla: Hasimir, not convinced it was him or that he at least acted alone.. what sort of guy autistic retard like him could kill 35 people with such precision

03:00:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: even in 'carry states', the list of public locations where such is forbidden, is quite long.

03:00:20 mircea_popescu: cazalla> i'd much rather put 2 in their chest and compost em << why ? you're supposed to shoot out the knees/shoulders, and why wouldn't you ?

03:00:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Really only holds when locales in question are california and "New York"

03:00:37 Hasimir: remember that those ppl weren't used to a world where guns were common enough to worry about

03:00:43 cazalla: mircea_popescu, how would i know what to put what where when we can't have weapons here to begin with :\

03:00:53 mircea_popescu: and now we come full circle to the problem

03:00:55 mircea_popescu: yes, tumours.

03:01:03 mircea_popescu: not only on the gun. on the world too.

03:01:10 Hasimir: and I imagine it's much like the more recent massacre in Norway

03:01:23 Vexual: guns were very much more common here before howards decree

03:01:28 Hasimir: with that other retard ... what was his name?

03:01:38 cazalla: batman?

03:01:42 Hasimir: the one who shot all those kids

03:01:48 cazalla: anakin?

03:01:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome

03:01:54 Hasimir: heheh

03:02:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142347 << it's by no means certain the keys being publicly visible is intentional.

03:02:37 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:26:00; Hasimir: alright, assume you're right then, what do they gain by doing this in a way that can be found by regular(-ish) geeks?

03:03:17 Hasimir: fair point

03:03:38 mircea_popescu: that's one theory (published as such in an article iirc). another theory hanbot came up with earlier in log, and i've been thinking about.

03:03:40 BingoBoingo: So the Celosia already challenging the yellow heirloom rose for fastest boner in the front garden.

03:03:41 Hasimir: Breivik, Anders Breivik, that fuckwit

03:03:50 mircea_popescu: indeed, for all we know these keys were used in some sort of process, and a few accidentally leaked.

03:03:57 mircea_popescu: we don't know enough atm to call on this

03:04:14 Hasimir: that we definitely agree on ...

03:04:30 mircea_popescu: moreover, it's not even terribly clear HOW to correctly classify these keys.

03:04:40 BingoBoingo: <Hasimir> that we definitely agree on ... << Is punative sodomy

03:04:58 mircea_popescu: there seem to be 2-3 different categories but they can be reconstructed in multiple approaches with different elements.

03:05:19 mircea_popescu: which is why running the whole shebang is important - we need more members to attempt a classification

03:05:25 Hasimir: has anyone tried deliberately making/breaking a key like this?

03:05:26 mircea_popescu: which imo is the only sane way to proceed here.

03:05:28 Hasimir: them

03:05:45 mircea_popescu: Hasimir Apocalyptic was doing some work on this.

03:05:50 mircea_popescu: more work always welcome.

03:05:50 Hasimir: cool

03:06:31 Vexual: yep, the cops went and took every registered repeater

03:06:53 Hasimir: if they're encryption subkey bits then maybe it's from backfired attempts to segregate the cert key from the subkeys ...

03:07:01 Hasimir: maybe

03:07:22 mircea_popescu: so far the only seriously excluded hypothesis is "bit rot".

03:07:31 mircea_popescu: anything else, pretty much may be.

03:07:47 Hasimir: bits don't rot, they flip

03:07:48 mircea_popescu: for all we know this is a not yet documented numeric field breakthrough

03:08:14 mircea_popescu: Hasimir bitrot = "changes in data due to the substrate rather than activity"

03:08:30 Hasimir: I know, I was being facetious

03:08:32 BingoBoingo: Math breakthrough/phd thesis seems most likely atm

03:08:40 Hasimir: been awake for a while ...

03:08:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no fucking way srsly.

03:08:51 mircea_popescu: i have had enough shockers for a year

03:09:01 mircea_popescu: and it's barely may.

03:09:25 Hasimir: BingoBoingo, no, they'd've published by now

03:09:29 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looking at there being a pattern at all... Moar shockers!!!

03:10:05 Hasimir: unless it's on jstor ...

03:10:09 mircea_popescu: Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow

03:10:09 BingoBoingo: Hasimir: Nah, some poor motherfucker could be Dr. Motherfucker if only they didn't sign with an "Intelligence" agency

03:10:26 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow << Yes

03:10:35 Hasimir: ah ... kk

03:11:16 mircea_popescu: the odds of which... gimme a break.

03:11:31 BingoBoingo: I think someone stuck their dick in numbers and made this pattern possibru

03:12:49 decimation: 281479271743489 (the common exponent) = 65537*641*6700417

03:12:57 BingoBoingo: !up AdrianoOliveira

03:13:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142379 << and you've not published this ?!

03:13:05 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:38:32; Hasimir: BingoBoingo, somewhere I have a log of a PM with that guy who we later learned was the undercover agent going after silk road v1

03:13:30 *: BingoBoingo puclished front yart encounter with two sweaty feds

03:13:31 mircea_popescu: decimation yes. and notice 641 was a factor in the modulus i quoited above

03:13:45 decimation: yeah. interesting.

03:14:02 Hasimir: having trouble with deedbot atm

03:14:09 mircea_popescu: !up deedbot-

03:14:15 mircea_popescu: just say deedbot- url

03:14:16 trinque: how so

03:16:18 Hasimir: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3QDH2V3.txt

03:17:18 deedbot-: accepted: 1

03:17:18 Hasimir: woohoo

03:17:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142381 the other half being that ancient training of us politicians where "every question is an opportunity to rehash your agenda". and so... even if nothing else is said, repeating the "Erryone must upgrade" mantra is like buying ibm. won't get you fired.

03:17:18 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:38:46; ascii_field: mod6: they are so accustomed to the illiteracy of the general public, that they are entirely unprepared for folks with half a clue.

03:17:18 mircea_popescu: Hasimir wd.

03:17:18 Hasimir: does it only work in channel or via pm too?

03:18:23 decimation: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/05/20/2015-11642/wassenaar-arrangement-2013-plenary-agreements-implementation-intrusion-and-surveillance-items#h-18 < "

03:19:23 decimation: The WA-agreed definition for ?intrusion software? is proposed to be added to § 772.1 of the EAR. The definition also includes a Note that describes some items not included as ?intrusion software,?e.g., hypervisors, debuggers or Software Reverse Engineering (SRE).

03:19:23 trinque: Hasimir: doing it here is nice for the logs, but it works both places.

03:19:23 BingoBoingo: Someone understand wassenar to do a qntra piece?

03:19:23 Hasimir: cool

03:19:24 Hasimir: wassenar, god, I still want to bury that fucking thing

03:19:28 decimation: ^ usg is proposing to implement a treaty (purely via executive fiat) to ban the export of 'intrusion software'

03:19:49 decimation: (unless you get a license and permission from usg of course)

03:19:58 Hasimir: decimation, they've been at it through wassenar for nearly 2 decades now

03:20:15 Hasimir: I first wrote about it in '97 or '98

03:20:25 mircea_popescu: eh, who cares about the us anymore, not like they have the edge in crypto

03:20:37 decimation: not even crypto related

03:20:39 mircea_popescu: what's next, somalia won't export laptops ?

03:21:13 mircea_popescu: decimation foss is fundamentally immune to this bs, and who uses ms hypervisor

03:21:37 mircea_popescu: !up Panasonic

03:21:39 Hasimir: mircea_popescu, but individuals aren't

03:21:41 mircea_popescu: hey asc, there comes your fab.

03:21:47 mircea_popescu: Hasimir individuals are mobile.

03:22:05 decimation: it all comes down to "get a note from stalin"

03:22:05 Hasimir: some are, hopefully enough

03:22:24 Hasimir: or do a satoshi

03:22:28 mircea_popescu: Hasimir you see how your position here contradicts your earlier stated position re guns ? :)

03:22:39 *: BingoBoingo seriously wants some fresh wassenar news for the qntra

03:22:44 mircea_popescu: apparently everyone holds the same beliefs when it comes to things they care about, and the other set for everything else.

03:22:47 mircea_popescu: which... is fine :)

03:22:57 decimation: wanna build an aircraft? fly an r/c plane? put 'intrusion software' on your website? get a note from stalin.

03:23:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00028614 = 2.5753 BTC [+]

03:23:43 Hasimir: ah, but I'm not against guns, just against them being the prime motivator for whatever

03:23:58 Hasimir: they're a tool, like any other

03:24:15 Hasimir: unfortunately often wielded by tools too

03:24:22 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/kinkyshitlords/comments/33roxc/just_joined_fetlife/

03:25:22 Hasimir: with a high percentage of said tools also having badges

03:25:30 BingoBoingo: Guns need no badges, just oil

03:26:19 Hasimir: case in point, that url posted here earlier of the cops who lobbed a flash-bang at a baby

03:30:43 BingoBoingo: C&R Yugo SKS has a lot of pluses

03:34:41 decimation: mircea_popescu: " foss is fundamentally immune to this bs" < not clear. however I suspect usg would not want to try to stick someone posting foss - because the courts would likely find that this kind of regulation would contradict the first amendment

03:35:24 BingoBoingo: WHatever all *nix are US legal by 2nd amendment

03:36:17 decimation: and note this is a regulation, not a law

03:36:47 Hasimir: BingoBoingo, that was Bernstein's argument

03:37:26 decimation: Hasimir: yes and it was successful as I recall

03:37:49 Hasimir: I thought it settled before it got far enough to set precedent

03:38:07 decimation: right, which is why usg isn't going to test it again

03:38:53 Hasimir: except for defcad

03:39:04 decimation: https://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/04/21-29 < and they did rule

03:40:04 Hasimir: oh cool

03:40:05 decimation: eh those defcad guys are just attention whores

03:40:05 decimation: what has usg done against them?

03:40:05 Hasimir: true, but the case might be interesting

03:41:32 decimation: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/09/state-department-demands-takedown-of-3d-printable-gun-for-possible-export-control-violation/ < the state dept sent him a letter

03:43:04 BingoBoingo: Cody and Clitler have a back and forth

03:43:10 decimation: "Pursuant to 127.1 of the ITAR, it is unlawful to export any defense article or technical data for which a license or written approval is required without first obtaining the required authorization from the DDTC. Please note that disclosing (including oral or visual disclosure) or tranferring technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad, is considered an export under 120.17 of the ITAR."

03:43:31 decimation: I'm not sure whatever came of this

03:43:59 mircea_popescu: <Hasimir> ah, but I'm not against guns, just against them being the prime motivator for whatever << not the point. earlier when guns were being discussed you said " I've never seen any religion avoid going to a bad place", which yes is a valid point. but when it comes to something you actually know/care about, suddenly it';s not nearly as appealing, as good a point as it may be.

03:44:24 mircea_popescu: decimation moreover, you can just pgp me the code and i'll publish it.

03:44:30 mircea_popescu: now it's been exported, samizdat style.

03:44:40 decimation: ah it's in court http://www.scribd.com/doc/264435890/Defense-Distributed-et-al-v-U-S-Dept-of-State

03:45:40 BingoBoingo: !s shovel ak

03:45:40 assbot: 5 results for 'shovel ak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shovel+ak

03:45:40 decimation: they are trying the same argument as bernstein

03:45:40 decimation: "Defendants? censorship of Plaintiffs?speech, and the ad hoc, informal and arbitrary manner in which that scheme is applied, violate theFirst, Second, and Fifth Amendments to the United States Constitution."

03:45:40 Hasimir: decimation, yeah, I thought that was what you were talking about ...

03:46:28 Hasimir: mircea_popescu, it's always a fine line to walk between being passionate and religiously devoted ...

03:46:50 mircea_popescu: and the line a lot more visible in topics you care about enough to study in detail..

03:46:55 decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, but that would give ground for usg to attempt to throw you in jail

03:47:03 mircea_popescu: decimation how would they ever know ?

03:47:14 mircea_popescu: they don't even know whom to jail for the most recent leak on fraudsters.

03:47:27 decimation: someone has the privkey

03:47:27 Hasimir: well, yes, because you're looking more closely

03:48:09 mircea_popescu: decimation sure. so ?

03:48:14 mircea_popescu: Hasimir exactly.

03:50:18 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --buttchina

03:50:19 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

03:50:36 decimation: it will be interesting to see what the court rules on this

03:50:38 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttchina

03:50:38 mircea_popescu: jurov: heh seems there will be leaks.b-a.link soon << nb, nb

03:50:39 gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.32941, Best ask: 236.334255, Bid-ask spread: 0.00484, Last trade: 236.327795, 24 hour volume: 16115.88970000, 24 hour low: 234.748325, 24 hour high: 237.342015, 24 hour vwap: 235.934384743

03:50:45 mircea_popescu: i like cryptome but they have too much shit

03:51:16 decimation: I suspect usg will withdraw because they don't want the court to rule that thier little export regulation house of cards is unconstitutional

03:51:23 decimation: it provides jobs, see

03:51:48 *: BingoBoingo watching asciilifeform's suggested movie

03:51:48 mircea_popescu: depends. they didn't withdraw the obamacare taxnontax

03:52:10 decimation: yeah but that's because obama would have personally lost face

03:52:25 decimation: obama can pretend he doesn't even know what these people are talking about

03:52:53 mircea_popescu: Hasimir: cool, will do << for the record, this non-readable dump of text stuff is annoying.

03:53:13 decimation: at any rate, the pro-gun lobby in the us is quite strong and well funded, it generally levels political opposition

03:53:17 mircea_popescu: if you must include blobs, include them apart from whatever it is you're deed-ing

03:53:31 Hasimir: ah

03:55:01 BingoBoingo: Also in USia Nagant, SKS, and other curios with bayonets already mounted ++

03:57:05 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

03:57:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142468 << wait, wut ?! mandatory voting ?

03:57:51 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 23:31:13; cazalla: trinque, at least you have the option not to vote.. i usually find myself rediscovering my religious roots on election day which exempts me from wasting my time.. why Hasimir would volunteer to waste even more of his time though, i can't figure that one

03:57:54 mircea_popescu: what is this, iran ?

03:58:14 Hasimir: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt

03:59:14 Hasimir: !up deedbot-

03:59:14 Hasimir: guess not

03:59:14 BingoBoingo: OMG asciilifeform movie night

03:59:14 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt

04:00:14 Hasimir: mircea_popescu, yeah, aus has mandatory enrolment for voting and fines if you don't show up to vote (or postal vote)

04:00:14 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt

04:01:14 Hasimir: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt

04:02:14 Hasimir: snap

04:02:14 mircea_popescu: lol poor bot

04:02:14 mircea_popescu: i gues next bot is gangbot

04:02:14 BingoBoingo: motorcycle gangbot?

04:02:14 Hasimir: oh, you didn't ...

04:02:14 mircea_popescu: o check me out, i have the day's first line in log. yay.

04:02:14 Hasimir: anyway, no doubt you can giggle at the content of the paste and at least the first submission is included for future reference

04:02:40 Hasimir: does anyone remember which LEA he was with?

04:03:08 mircea_popescu: http://sixdemonbag.org/yomu.html << the sad story about how some schmuck got scammed by the schmuck he was doing drm for.

04:04:08 trinque: Hasimir: try that again

04:04:08 Hasimir: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt

04:05:08 mircea_popescu: somehow the obvious "Don't do drm, you'll be involved with the sort of people who do drm" doesn't occur to his mind.

04:05:08 trinque: Hasimir: weird, your last one went in

04:05:08 Hasimir: go figure

04:05:08 Hasimir: maybe it just hates me

04:05:08 trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt

04:06:08 trinque: nope, encoding blowup

04:06:08 Hasimir: it doesn't like utf-8?

04:06:08 Hasimir: or something else?

04:06:08 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/f39a00565b6bc90bc830a013627759d7/tumblr_mvn1sbt4hi1s1mfkzo1_400.gif

04:07:08 cazalla: Hasimir, is the enrollment actually mandatory? i know of people that never enrolled so they never actually had to vote or become religious on the day of it

04:07:08 trinque: Hasimir: python needs its tits kicked in regards to eating a u2026

04:07:08 Vexual: ;;ud tits kicked in

04:07:08 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Scorp+Tits | "We were all having a good time at the lake until ole fatass Tungette's Scorp Tits kicked in again. Damn I thought Jeff was gonna try and find a blowtorch to burn ...

04:07:08 Hasimir: trinque, python 3 ftw!

04:07:29 trinque: eh, incrementally better

04:07:29 scoopbot_revived: Social Engineering Attack Takes Bitcoin Talk Offline http://qntra.net/2015/05/social-engineering-attack-takes-bitcoin-talk-offline/

04:07:38 mircea_popescu: lolwut ?

04:07:42 Hasimir: cazalla, it's supposed to be, but if you avoid it then there's nothing they can do

04:08:15 Hasimir: trinque, it does handle utf-8 much better then 2 ever could

04:08:50 Hasimir: but if you're sticking with 2.7, use: from __future__ import unicode_literals

04:09:06 decimation: why bother with unicode at all?

04:09:25 mircea_popescu: ^

04:09:44 trinque: Hasimir: yup, it's exploding deep within python gnupg though.

04:09:45 Hasimir: decimation, I like to print people's names correctly, to do otherwise when it is possible is just unnecessarily rude

04:10:21 mircea_popescu: they should be thankful the names don't get translated!

04:10:37 decimation: do you realize what kind of black hole python is being forced into ... to be polite?

04:10:53 mircea_popescu: ye hear that, phteven ?

04:11:19 decimation: and if someone has a name that can't be romanized? fuck'em - they can romanize or have no identity

04:11:27 Hasimir: decimation, I prefer to view it as a new (event) horizon

04:12:20 mircea_popescu: a new what ?

04:12:35 BingoBoingo: So watching 'Mean Girls' (2004) seems asciilifeform likes authentic Maoism in his films

04:12:46 mircea_popescu: decimation we're not enforcing that policy re irc handles tho

04:12:55 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143160 << l0l, not even sure what counts as the most recent

04:12:55 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:47:14; mircea_popescu: they don't even know whom to jail for the most recent leak on fraudsters.

04:13:07 decimation: are we using utf or extended ascii

04:13:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :)

04:13:30 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo after mean girls see http://fraudsters.com/2012/mean-streets/

04:14:32 mircea_popescu: should be an interesting study in contrasts.

04:14:32 mircea_popescu: (pretty much exactly same story, separated by two decades and a gender gap_

04:14:32 mircea_popescu: decimation i dunno anyone gave a shit, just, whatever freenode takes.

04:14:32 decimation: irc handles aren't an identity, gpg keys are

04:14:51 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143206 << i bet he just wanted to eat, pay rent.

04:14:51 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 04:05:08; mircea_popescu: somehow the obvious "Don't do drm, you'll be involved with the sort of people who do drm" doesn't occur to his mind.

04:14:53 mircea_popescu: so your deedbot is going to break over someone citing a nick ?

04:15:19 mircea_popescu: "I walked out of the back office in a state of absolute shock. I?d just become a twenty?first century sharecropper. I couldn?t find outside work without winding up homeless ? and I couldn?t leave the state because three bucks of gas money won?t get you past Walnut Creek ? and I couldn?t get paid because there was no money to pay anyone with."

04:15:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^

04:15:33 mircea_popescu: drm.

04:15:46 Vexual: nrm

04:15:49 trinque: mircea_popescu: over non-latin1 characters, for now

04:15:55 trinque: though that's something I'll fix.

04:16:12 trinque: will involve dropping a dependency and writing something in its place

04:16:24 mircea_popescu: what you mean by deep in gpg py bowels ? is it exploitable even ?

04:16:47 mircea_popescu: looks like he gave you your weekend's entertainment

04:17:52 trinque: nah, the python thing diddling gpg is just trying to

04:17:55 trinque: whoops

04:17:56 decimation: just turn 8-bit ascii characters into tildes

04:18:11 trinque: trying to encode some bits as latin1, and there are characters in this outside that set

04:18:14 *: asciilifeform recalls mr mold's attempt at squaring zooko's tri. - speakable keys

04:18:16 trinque: so it barfs

04:18:24 decimation: does deedbot need to be 8-bit clean?

04:18:26 *: asciilifeform recalls own implementation of it, http://dpaste.com/2E0CYZQ

04:19:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55363 @ 0.00028614 = 15.8416 BTC [+]

04:19:26 trinque: decimation: I don't see why it can't handle utf8; the sqlite db it munches on is

04:19:26 trinque: just a python annoyance

04:19:26 mircea_popescu: decimation tilde wont sign

04:19:26 Hasimir: trinque, oh, is this the python-gnupg gpg.encoding thing?

04:19:26 decimation: eh, it's you code, do what you will.

04:19:26 Hasimir: yeah, setting that to latin-1 just works with everything ...

04:19:32 trinque: Hasimir: yeah

04:19:35 Hasimir: well, mostly

04:19:54 Hasimir: I think I might've submitted the bug report on that one ...

04:19:58 trinque: heh!

04:20:02 trinque: found the mention of it in the docs

04:20:05 trinque: is there a workaround?

04:20:10 decimation: yeah, 7 bit ascii

04:20:12 trinque: ah I see how you can set it

04:20:14 Hasimir: that is the work around

04:20:21 trinque: decimation: I'm fine with requiring ascii too; what's the argument behind that?

04:20:35 decimation: I don't trust 8-bit character handling code

04:20:49 trinque: ah, well at least with this thing the output's able to be checked, neh?

04:21:08 Hasimir: that's one of the reasons I started looking at pyme ...

04:21:11 trinque: if there are messages out there that are interesting to deedbot in other encodings, they'd otherwise be excluded

04:21:37 Hasimir: well, that and having to explain to the python-gnupg dev why people might want to sign something with 2 keys

04:21:44 Vexual: !up thestringpuller

04:21:50 Vexual: really?

04:21:59 Hasimir: yep

04:22:04 Vexual: no shit

04:22:12 Hasimir: it's in one of the bitbucket t=issues

04:22:27 Hasimir: *issues

04:22:30 trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt

04:23:30 deedbot-: accepted: 1

04:23:30 Hasimir: yay

04:23:30 trinque: Hasimir: thanks!

04:23:30 Hasimir: np

04:23:30 Hasimir: I believe that falls into the category of enlightened self-interest ;)

04:23:30 mircea_popescu: pretty cool.

04:31:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6735 @ 0.0002827 = 1.904 BTC [-]

04:34:22 BingoBoingo: "Everyone in Africa can read Swedish"

04:48:21 BingoBoingo: OMG the CRT iMAcs in this film

04:48:58 danielpbarron: i have 2 of those

04:50:50 asciilifeform: wtf was difference b/w 'imac' and 'emacs'

04:50:52 asciilifeform: emac

04:50:54 asciilifeform: l0l

04:51:04 asciilifeform: that 's' just came out for no reason

04:51:19 asciilifeform: point being, i have always wanted to see an 'm-mac'

04:51:24 asciilifeform: that is - mechanical.

04:51:38 asciilifeform: ('e' in 'emac' clearly is 'electric')

05:02:05 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

05:05:02 Vexual: seven spanish angles. a rap verse. vexual

05:05:10 Vexual: notrlly

05:07:19 Vexual: bb is right tho, where swedish is the swhahili of western europe

05:08:43 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143033 << iirc there was similar thing in maryland. the state gov. simply pissed on the court, andrewjackson-style.

05:08:43 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome

05:08:53 asciilifeform: because, well, they could.

05:09:12 Vexual: maryland kinda close to dc no?

05:09:18 asciilifeform: that'd be why.

05:11:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143071 << now curious, which 'this'

05:11:03 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:10:09; mircea_popescu: Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow

05:11:14 asciilifeform: because there are several 'this'es

05:12:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00029161 = 12.0435 BTC [+] {2}

05:12:34 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143076 << obligatory mega-classic >> http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021

05:12:34 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:11:31; BingoBoingo: I think someone stuck their dick in numbers and made this pattern possibru

05:19:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we were idly discussing the "what could have causes weak keys", i pointed out that so far it could be a lotta things

05:19:38 mircea_popescu: all the way up to an afore-unknown property of the mathematical structures involved.

05:22:19 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wtf was difference b/w 'imac' and 'emacs' << Generally eMac was previous year's "iMac"

05:22:53 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143033 << iirc there was similar thing in maryland. the state gov. simply pissed on the court, andrewjackson-style. << Court Pissed all over Chicago on this matter

05:22:53 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome

05:23:22 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CgQITcfJd0

05:29:03 BingoBoingo: Surprisingly educational film, do reccomend

05:33:58 BingoBoingo: OMG asciilifeform Regina George is 8 years older than Cady!!!

05:34:00 Hasimir: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, I was looking in gpg's import source code for an unrelated thing and noticed something, it won't give you the answer, but it might help narrow the search - read through the code and code comments in g10/import.c of the current master repo, it goes through the specific key error types and subkey fragment types that gpg won't import (which also happens to be most of the keys on The List)

05:37:46 *: BingoBoingo finally giving Missouri wine a chance tonight. WOrks for endrunkening

05:38:07 Hasimir: also, see if you can test this key ID: 0xCC61ADFF159B44ED (another one missing a UID, but in this case it was made in '94, by a certain expat aussie residing in an Ecuadorian embassy in London ...)

05:39:03 Hasimir: the other way to find that one, even without the uid is with his old email address: proff@suburbia.apana.org.au

05:40:16 cazalla: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3091370/Recent-Berkeley-grad-waited-parking-lot-gun-manager-N-forced-work-fast-food-couldn-t-job-degree.html

05:48:08 BingoBoingo: WTF is wrong with pissing in the freezer and then quitting

05:59:21 Hasimir: BingoBoingo, if it's too far below zero it might freeze inside your urethra ... breaking the ice would not be a good thing then

06:00:32 BingoBoingo: Hasimir: As much as I drink, not sure my piss would freeze at zero

06:03:36 BingoBoingo: !up Landgull

06:05:12 mircea_popescu: Hasimir minus the fact that it imports unsigned keys (badly signed it rejects, but unsigned at all seem an exception ?), gpg generally doesn't import the diddled exponent keys yeah

06:06:08 Hasimir: and it usually gives different errors for those it rejects, which you can match to specific symptoms in the code

06:06:45 mircea_popescu: much more interesting would be an assay of the various windows and perhaps mac implementations

06:06:56 mircea_popescu: as very few here actually have either.

06:07:04 Hasimir: I've got os x

06:07:24 Hasimir: and I'm running 1.4.19 and 2.1.4

06:07:49 Hasimir: though 1.4.19 has been adjusted to generate large keys

06:08:10 mircea_popescu: yeah thinking more of 1.4.x

06:08:13 mircea_popescu: single digit

06:08:33 mircea_popescu: these keys come from 2009 at earliest iirc

06:08:36 Hasimir: I can always recompile an older version ...

06:10:34 mircea_popescu: even just reading the code is worthwhile.

06:11:32 Hasimir: ah-ha! finally!

06:11:49 Hasimir: now 2.1.4 is modded to make stupidly large keys too ...

06:14:32 *: BingoBoingo threw in a bunch of fucking 1990's 512 an 76X keys...

06:16:37 BingoBoingo: Apparently ye olde keys perfectly factorable in a targeted manner... stronger than turd keys

06:17:26 Hasimir: v2 keys are pretty simple, though

06:17:49 BingoBoingo: v2 is beneath justifying effort

06:17:56 Hasimir: and 512-bit, are you surprised?

06:18:35 BingoBoingo: Hasimir: No, I am surprised all of this other shit is getting Fucktored 1stest

06:18:49 Hasimir: heh, fair point

06:19:09 Hasimir: though chances are No Such Agency have already broken the old ones out of habit

06:19:20 mircea_popescu: lmao

06:19:26 BingoBoingo: Almost inevitabru

06:19:29 Hasimir: no doubt they've also trawled archives of alt.anon.messages

06:40:47 BingoBoingo: Oh shit, Marvel did somewhat not stupid depiction of tactical nukes in a Disney movie

06:47:30 BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel

06:47:48 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: engineers suck at management is the long and the short of it. << I see no reason that this must be the case, but yes, fiat-land tends to breed engineers who are terrible with money (bill gosper, stallman, richard gabriel). It also tends to make idiot managers. IMHO much of this is because of all the inane nonsense involved in runnin

06:47:49 gabriel_laddel: g a business. EG: from what I can tell, it consists of fill out paperwork, go to point (lat,long), fill out more paperwork, if you fill out enough paperwork, you'll get special moron coins that you can spend at select hotels or trade in for airline credits. Fucking idiot nonsense to fill the lives of shmucks whose time isn't worth anything and aspi

06:47:49 gabriel_laddel: re to (at most) become a "high powered businessman" (whatever that means, idk).

06:47:55 gabriel_laddel: ty BingoBoingo

06:47:56 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and often blamed for killing'em. but this is not entirely unlike a boozer blaming a particular bottle of rotgut 20 yrs ago for his death. << lol

06:47:59 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I am sorry, you are doomed to suffer hetrogyny

06:48:09 mircea_popescu: "tin women"

06:48:44 gabriel_laddel: ^ yep.

06:48:51 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: sorta like the only other outfit of that period, thinking machines corp. << unlike smbx, I've heard that their producs were never competitive, in spite of having all the brains and lisp machines they could possibly want. Related to the whole "they burned a pile of money" I've also been told they bought a firetruck to play with (wtf,

06:48:51 gabriel_laddel: why?).

06:48:56 *: BingoBoingo is horribru with money x-cept when I am awesome

06:49:08 gabriel_laddel: trinque: you may at best go work for the guy who can << hey, lemme know when you find him - I'm still searching.

06:49:12 gabriel_laddel: trinque: after he beats the word "waste" into your skull << ?

06:49:18 gabriel_laddel: trinque: but the guy was dead set on building this whole relational coding environment for... I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"! << idk wtf he was smoking - sounds like you should have packaged and sold it.

06:49:25 gabriel_laddel: trinque: guy's never sold a thing in his life << lol

06:49:36 gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough. << ...

06:49:44 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142114 << apparently he doesn't think so, which is strange. i do. << ftr, I see this as progress. Knowing macrofab exists and having a working relationship is useful.

06:49:44 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:44:12; trinque: ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production?

06:49:52 gabriel_laddel: *: BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en + asciilifeform: i must confess that i personally would not pay -anything- for a unix of any description whatsoever. + mircea_popescu: i still don't see the money part. this is art, at best. + asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he t

06:49:53 gabriel_laddel: hinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem

06:49:58 BingoBoingo: BESERKER!!!

06:49:58 gabriel_laddel: ^ It appears that I should properly make the business case. If the unix in question had a sane substitute for portage (clearly specified set of systems guaranteed to build for a specified set of versions, no cyclic dependencies when you try to enable the USE flag for docs globally, sane CLOS structuring of the systems, `build' builds, `test' tests

06:49:58 gabriel_laddel: etc), you wouldn't shell over $100 for it? You've already advertised spending a week(!) setting up a gentoo. ben_vulpes wasted at least an hour trying to figure out what the hell portage overlays do even. mod6 burnt god knows how long writing an (unfinished) gentoo install guide. How little is everyone's time worth? My point is not that Masamune wi

06:49:59 gabriel_laddel: ll solve these exact problems and cost $100 dollars - it won't. My point /is/ that the notion there couldn't possibly be a unix worth paying for is absurd.

06:50:04 gabriel_laddel: I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money is on (source-included) extensions, which amounts to contracting gigs setting up intricate lessons for large companies, militaries, private schools and homeschoolers. Aside from this, various products I'd like to make and sell: a CL only I

06:50:04 gabriel_laddel: DE (with all the goodies MP and I discussed previously - !s paper clip), 3D CLIM (actually a rather involved project - selecting the correct hardware, reverse engineered opengl drivers etc is expensive and how exactly this gets split off into various products is complicated), a program that does run-time analysis on your CL code and optimizes it in

06:50:04 gabriel_laddel: real time, a plug-and-play solution for doing research for chemists, physicists and mathematicians. Some people are asking the right questions (http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/27246/in-which-country-is-it-allowed-to-practice-non-clandestine-amateur-chemistry, http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/18791/why-isnt-organic-chemistr

06:51:04 gabriel_laddel: y-taught-in-3d) and no one is catering to their needs. System76 exists, they sell linux computers but their machines suck because they're stupid. I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune. Frankly, the marketing for all these companies sucks and I don't think it'll be terribly difficult to do far better.

06:51:04 gabriel_laddel: To those who would say "Oh you can't possibly sell a 3D CLIM, no one needs that" I will note that we *know* the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (Weapons and Complex Integration) built VisIt on top of OpenGL. They accept it as a given. USG doesn't want to win wars, but I'm willing to bet that someone on Earth does. One easy way to free up eng

06:51:04 gabriel_laddel: ineers is to remove idiotic nonsense (OpenGL, Gentoo, Portage) from their lives. If you think OpenGL isn't a huge time sink, think again: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html#sec-5-2

06:52:04 mircea_popescu: omg wall fo text man

06:52:04 BingoBoingo: *nix simply doesn't cost

06:52:04 mircea_popescu: you gotta blog.

06:52:04 gabriel_laddel: I've got a blog

06:52:04 BingoBoingo: A/UX, Solaris 8, AIX, *BSD, no cost dude

06:52:04 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: try reading the message pl0x

06:52:04 BingoBoingo: Will get to, drinking Missery wine

06:52:15 *: BingoBoingo dunno how you pronounce that state

06:52:28 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel portage already exists. not only would i not pay for it, i'd pay to have whoever packages gentoo atm whipped.

06:52:46 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: portage doesn't work

06:52:53 gabriel_laddel: sure, it exists

06:54:23 mircea_popescu: mkay. lemme explain something about markets to you. the sun is infinitely valuable, to the exclusion of all else. nobody (tm) would consider paying for it, and in no case would they pay anything close to fair value (why this is so should be thermodynamically obvious). meanwhile, ipads have no utility and go for hundreds by the million. on top of them, jackpot machine simulations sell for more $$$.

06:54:48 mircea_popescu: the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun.

06:55:01 gabriel_laddel: holy fucking god almighty

06:55:33 gabriel_laddel: "I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money..."

06:56:03 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i was replying to " you wouldn't shell over $100 for it?" strictly.

06:56:20 mircea_popescu: i don't believe that's the only approach, nor did i think it actually was yours, before encountering that line.

06:57:24 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: okay

06:58:10 gabriel_laddel: people buy industrial chemicals, do they not?

06:58:27 gabriel_laddel: how is buying an actually working package manager any different?

06:59:03 gabriel_laddel: "I need to do my job, can't reasonably do it without XYZ, so I'll buy it"

06:59:28 mircea_popescu: as discussed in my example.

06:59:41 mircea_popescu: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry"

06:59:49 mircea_popescu: if th efield had needed such a thing, it wouldn't exist at all.

07:02:17 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Reagents have mass... *nix lax mass

07:02:46 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: so does sublime text, and yet people fork over $70USD for it

07:02:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ironically, if it's any good it does lack it. if it actually sells then it has it, which is what windows is, basically.

07:03:04 mircea_popescu: ;;google sublime text

07:03:05 gribble: Sublime Text: The text editor you'll fall in love with: http://www.sublimetext.com/; Sublime Text - Download: http://www.sublimetext.com/2; Sublime Text 3: http://www.sublimetext.com/3

07:03:12 mircea_popescu: ...

07:03:13 gabriel_laddel: It's moronic fyi

07:03:27 mircea_popescu: this would be in the category of ipad jackpot simulators i guess.

07:03:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the mass Windows sell for is its scleroisis

07:03:33 mircea_popescu: ayup

07:04:08 BingoBoingo: Seriously A/UX, Solaris 8/9, FreeBSD(ANY) all massless and free

07:05:16 gabriel_laddel: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry" << see hyperchem lite

07:05:38 gabriel_laddel: also, people buy chemistry classes

07:05:58 mircea_popescu: yes, they buy classes, and no hyperchem lite is not Chemistry.

07:06:15 mircea_popescu: but if your thing needs classes you conceivably failed by your own criteria.

07:06:33 BingoBoingo: H2F, H2S04, and Urushiol are all very different very dangerous problems

07:07:39 gabriel_laddel: I don't understand your argument here - you're saying that no one would pay for a working portage because people don't buy "chemistry"?

07:08:21 mircea_popescu: among other things, i am saying that people only move to america if it's free. if it's not free they stay home.

07:08:35 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Nah, because people do pay for chemistry. Just the paid parts f chemistry have no portage analogues

07:08:50 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

07:09:37 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Hrm. Interesting argument.

07:10:08 mircea_popescu: not saying that money can't be made out of america, obviously.

07:10:17 BingoBoingo: So, local missouri/illinois wines... not so bad if they are white

07:10:24 gabriel_laddel: one just has to be selling shovels and pickaxes

07:10:26 mircea_popescu: but, essentially, hard to guess by whom.

07:10:43 mircea_popescu: the first railroad company didn't make money, tho railroad was a money maker eventually.

07:10:51 mircea_popescu: symbolics died. the original apple died.

07:11:21 mircea_popescu: the spanish invented the new world mostly to make the dutch (and their later english colony) richer for it. etc.

07:11:21 gabriel_laddel: well that's the game isn't it?

07:11:27 BingoBoingo: Punch trees, get wood

07:11:39 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel that is a game for much older and richer folk than you, to create a new world.

07:11:51 mircea_popescu: which is exactly the full blown version of my original doubts.

07:13:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23494 @ 0.000286 = 6.7193 BTC [-] {2}

07:15:28 BingoBoingo: So, Illinois moscato... WOuld make great salad dressing

07:16:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136594 @ 0.00029002 = 39.615 BTC [+] {4}

07:16:55 mircea_popescu: http://www.gca.org/ wouldja look at that!

07:17:55 cazalla: BingoBoingo drinking wine? never!

07:17:55 mircea_popescu: and at some point not so long ago this was supposedly a big fucking deal.

07:17:55 mircea_popescu: now that they buried the world under their xml crapolade, they can just go away. nobody's going to go "hey, the shit sucked!111" NOW.

07:17:55 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Purging all the local shit from the premises

07:17:55 mircea_popescu: and back then it was all "nowai it rocks!111 time will show!!1"

07:20:23 BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel

07:25:06 BingoBoingo: !up williamdunne

07:25:43 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Name some free *nix you may have paid for

07:34:40 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://www.joereiss.net/geek/geek.html

07:37:16 BingoBoingo: Vexual: I'll be your mision to the end of the line

07:40:10 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

07:44:07 BingoBoingo: There is nothing more whorifying than 'Murica

07:46:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Present teen movie in binge is "bring it on"

07:48:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021&pg=7 << kudos for sf that while outrageous, is at least entertainingly non-retarded.

07:51:17 BingoBoingo: Any volunteer who can put the mass in ass???

07:57:51 BingoBoingo: OMG asciilifeform has me watching all the teen movies

08:03:53 BingoBoingo: Ah asciilifeform films, Missy is the poo so take a big wiff

08:06:07 BingoBoingo: !up goregrind

08:07:27 Vexual: wht mission?

08:07:44 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtPk5IUbdH0

08:10:13 Vexual: if you're tlking about the kid on the honda, he hit the redline eraly

08:11:17 BingoBoingo: Eliza Dushku, the Jews, and the hard problems

08:18:42 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell asciilifeform here's a thought : we had 15 broken keys when phuctor had seen 159k keys ; and we have 19 now, it's just a shade under 200k. curious if the 1 in 10k thing keeps throughout the 4mn

08:18:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:21:37 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "bring it on" not bad ascii knows his subject and its tropes

08:37:10 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual We throw people in the air and...

08:37:20 BingoBoingo: Fat people don't go as high

08:40:21 cazalla: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/05/teen-pleads-guilty-to-23-charges-of-swatting-harassing-online-game-rivals/

08:41:21 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Eliza Dushku is a teen, that storie concerns a nigger

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09:00:24 fluffypony: !rated davout

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09:01:00 fluffypony: !rate davout 3 Has soft, golden locks of hair and a bike. I know this because I've met him irl. 10/10 for style

09:01:00 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9ec20866f6ffcbfa

09:01:15 davout: :3

09:01:17 Vexual: such meat

09:01:21 fluffypony: !v assbot:fluffypony.rate.davout.3:55f273f8129cdff0147c0443a3a0bfceff23d5f76d8efb6bedb145c6c4753af9

09:01:22 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for davout from 1 to 3 with note: Has soft, golden locks of hair and a bike. I know this because I've met him irl. 10/10 for style

09:23:13 BingoBoingo: Jungle love OEOEOH

09:23:55 BingoBoingo: otherfucker and the Time!!!!

09:24:00 BingoBoingo: Oe Oe Oh

09:28:01 cazalla: that wine must be nice

09:29:18 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Jungle lovw

09:30:09 cazalla: not so sure i'm a fan (not that we have any black women down under)

09:30:24 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Dun you got dem abbos

09:30:42 cazalla: not many around and even fewer full bloods

09:30:51 cazalla: most of em are 1/8 abo at this point

09:31:02 BingoBoingo: Massah if you got dem abbos you can get werk dun

09:31:29 BingoBoingo: OEOEOh Jungle love

09:31:55 cazalla: pink pussy contrasted with the black skin doesn't really do it for me either

09:32:03 cazalla: not that i'd pass up the opportunity to try

09:32:25 BingoBoingo: I dun see why not. Black girls got the best smell on their pinks.

09:32:48 cazalla: i'll have to take your word for it at this point

09:33:04 cazalla: i think i've met.. 3 african women down under

09:33:11 cazalla: all 3 were hambeasts no less

09:33:26 BingoBoingo: Australasia sucks

09:34:01 cazalla: it can.. on the plus side, it's far the fuck away from the rest of hte world and their shit

09:34:52 BingoBoingo: I CHALLENGE THE WELTERWeight NIGGER OF THE WORLD FLOYD MAYWEAther for a bit of freindly sparring

09:38:10 cazalla: lol buttfinex

09:39:20 BingoBoingo: As posessor of a GPG signature in L2 of Assbot's web of trust...I challenge anyone in my L3 trust to contest my in face punching for the real world welterweight championship of face punching

09:39:50 BingoBoingo: ^ ;;later tell gabriel_ladell That is how you break a cartell

09:41:10 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitfinex-hot-wallet-possibly-compromised/

09:42:10 scoopbot_revived: Bitfinex Hot Wallet Possibly Compromised http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitfinex-hot-wallet-possibly-compromised/

09:42:10 BingoBoingo: cazalla: ++

09:42:54 *: BingoBoingo hates

09:43:24 cazalla: that wine?

09:43:47 cazalla: must be some strong shit

09:47:05 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I started with normall cheapo vodka. Watched an alf movie and drank missouri wine over "Mean Girls". Was in a mood drank Illinois white over "Bring it on"

09:48:51 *: BingoBoingo not disappoint because Eliza Dushku makes Pete Dushenski countable people

09:48:52 cazalla: can't say i've seen mean girls before

09:49:06 BingoBoingo: I've only seen it tonight

09:49:16 BingoBoingo: Bitches were mean

09:49:50 cazalla: i think the last all girl movie i watched was something like the craft

09:54:05 cazalla: buttfinex supposedly got ganked for 500 btc

10:06:38 kakobrekla: details?

10:09:22 cazalla: none yet really, just a notice on their site https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/announcements/?id=35

10:14:49 kakobrekla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u6bx3/barclays_charged_me_15_for_a_transfer_from_uk_to/

10:15:49 kakobrekla: lol buttfuckex

10:16:09 kakobrekla: btw i dunno how i got that 1 year reddit in my ircs

10:17:14 davout: "buttfuckex" <<< kekobrekla

10:19:35 kakobrekla: also, you weirdos, if anyone has a 'usaf 596' tube laying around per chance, wtb.

10:28:36 jurov: mod6 sorry, that disadvantage of having staging evironment, posting dev links right and left...shoulda abolish that

10:28:46 jurov: :)

10:54:29 williamdunne: Ey? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143469

10:54:29 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 07:25:43; BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Name some free *nix you may have paid for

11:10:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00028751 = 18.8607 BTC [+] {2}

12:01:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11035 @ 0.00028425 = 3.1367 BTC [-]

12:10:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53043 @ 0.00028097 = 14.9035 BTC [-]

12:18:13 jurov: the day of reckoning...buttfinex haxed, trolltalk haxed

12:39:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7000 @ 0.00043275 = 3.0293 BTC [-]

12:44:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00028023 = 18.3551 BTC [-] {2}

13:00:26 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1142882 lol looks like hydrothermal fire reactor

13:00:26 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 02:31:08; mod6: it's "sub ohm" 0.5ohm / Range 15-30W kangeronline.com/products/kanger-subtank-plus-clearomizer

13:12:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73916 @ 0.00027815 = 20.5597 BTC [-]

13:37:25 Naphex: so.. bitfinex hacked. just as they switched to AlphaPoint and Microsoft servers

13:37:28 Naphex: how sweet

13:37:30 Naphex: who would've tought

13:37:41 davout: Naphex: "microsoft servers" <<< ???

13:37:50 Apocalyptic: Naphex, that would be hilarious

13:38:30 Naphex: davout: didn't they switch to AlphaPoint Trading Engine?

13:38:42 Naphex: davout: as far as I know its written in c# and runs on wind0s

13:38:45 Adlai: ... which is a giant blob of .net

13:38:47 Adlai: yes

13:38:56 Adlai: https://alphapoint.com/jobs_se.html

13:39:56 Adlai: "We are looking for an individual who can take a leadership role in architecting and developing our core C# platform."

13:40:19 davout: http://new2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/5532541+_e3c969d7a379937835aaef6c95110b8f.jpg

13:41:19 Adlai: in their defense, they request "Strong capabilities in: C#, .NET; Xamarin, Mono" so maybe they run production trading engines on emulators

13:41:19 Naphex: Adlai: that'd be probably more dumb :P

13:41:45 *: Adlai is glad that he no longer runs scalpl on buttfixen

13:42:24 Adlai: twas sometime between the seventh and eleventh book crossing that we screamed fuckit and drained the account

13:43:23 Adlai: the decreasing returns were not worth the increasing derpage

13:53:13 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143288 yep i ran into it, too. and it also got incompatibly forked, without proper renaming, which "improved" the situation markedly

13:53:13 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 04:21:37; Hasimir: well, that and having to explain to the python-gnupg dev why people might want to sign something with 2 keys

14:07:56 mod6: <+jurov> mod6 sorry, that disadvantage of having staging evironment, posting dev links right and left...shoulda abolish that << no worries :]

14:08:41 mod6: <+kakobrekla> lol buttfuckex << haha

14:09:08 jurov: yo mod6. so either you'll work with the /srv/mailman/.../turds.sqlite directly or supply me at least partial list

14:10:29 jurov: what went into -RELEASE

14:10:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74950 @ 0.00028215 = 21.1471 BTC [+]

14:11:17 mod6: Ok, I can certainly manage coming up with a list of everything that went into -RELEASE. And probably a handfull of others that didn't.

14:11:43 mod6: for instance, 'auto' is in there a bunch of times, but only one version obv. made it in.

14:11:50 jurov: well, you can post it right to the list

14:12:27 mod6: Anyway, np. I'll work on it.

14:13:48 mod6: so with "based on" ... am i undstanding that correctly that column is a link (pointer) to it's previous version?

14:14:02 mike_c: "Excitement!!! Excellence! Launching ahead to better humanity! Ethereum!!! Congratulations!

14:14:02 mike_c: EXCITING :-)" speaking of cults..

14:14:15 mod6: AMAZING

14:14:15 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:14:31 jurov: mod6 i was thinking just a version name for both columns

14:15:14 jurov: links can be generated but imo they are not needed

14:15:57 mod6: ok.

14:16:26 jurov: do we have a link for '0.5.3-chicken' anyway?

14:16:37 jurov: that's what most of the patches would be based on

14:17:26 mod6: yeah, the url is: http://thebitcoin.foundation/chicken.tar.gz

14:18:26 jurov: heh ok

14:18:27 jurov: or to the lxr source browser

14:21:50 mod6: oh, now... no we don't have a link to that thing. what is it anyway, i can't recall.

14:22:14 jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/source/

14:23:14 jurov: lol the phoundation released 5 versions (incl. rc) since feb?

14:23:27 jurov: inb4 next major version "Bitcoin Core 10"

14:23:28 mod6: nothing seems to come up at that link?

14:23:47 jurov: it should redirect to http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/

14:24:47 mod6: 5 versions? lol

14:24:47 mod6: oh maybe i didn't wait long enough re redirect

14:24:47 jurov: you can use the latter link

14:24:47 jurov: should be always our newest release

14:24:52 mod6: heheh, redirect works fine with lynx, seems to not work well with FF.

14:25:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00028754 = 7.8642 BTC [+] {2}

14:26:13 mod6: ok cool. i'll add a link up there in just a bit.

14:26:34 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thing is still largely loading moduli missed (due to db locking idiocy) the first time around.

14:26:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:27:29 mod6: think i'll just add a "links" section

14:28:17 mod6: asciilifeform: haha, yeha, mine is now queued with 5419 in front of it. haha, oh well. :]

14:28:22 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu aaaand somehow '19' turned into '18' !?! (i do have a db backup, so if this is enemy action they can go fuck themselves.)

14:28:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:29:20 asciilifeform: incidentally, now more than ever is the time to set up an sks server under our control. because sks is our ultimate 'backup'

14:29:40 asciilifeform: and the pressure on sks server keepers to start removing things will be turned on, yes.

14:30:34 mod6: jurov: ok added link to that under "Links". That ok with you?

14:30:45 jurov: yes

14:31:33 asciilifeform: aaaactually my understanding is that one of the 19 got requeued, which 'un-broke' it. say hello to our first annoying bug.

14:31:51 asciilifeform: (which will not be an issue once werker runs continuously)

14:32:45 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/602BCEE3339AE47E388CA9A5472A563CFB8F73F66CCB3E69553B41BF6261ACBE << it was, of course, anvin's

14:33:45 jurov: you haven't used the hyperadvanced lisp runtime that can be snapshottet and restarted?

14:33:50 jurov: if they cycle you once in a week

14:34:30 asciilifeform: jurov: the thing has no lisp or anything else interesting in it

14:34:56 jurov: dunno where i got the notion from

14:35:09 asciilifeform: jurov: and i will point out that it is quite impossible to build a guaranteed power-cycle-immune anything on a standard x86 pc, which doesn't even have a powerfail interrupt

14:35:35 jurov: i'm not talking about immunity. only restartability

14:35:47 asciilifeform: (just getting atomic writes (sort-of) on such a box requires disk controller with battery compartment)

14:36:13 asciilifeform: jurov: the submission thing is a hastily-written script.

14:36:22 asciilifeform: (the sks mass-submit, that is)

14:48:49 decimation: asciilifeform: not to mention the nmi

14:56:38 jurov: incidentally, this appeared on hn today: https://www.tindie.com/products/ubldit/truerng-hardware-random-number-generator/

14:57:39 jurov: "Internal Whitening" ftw

14:57:39 asciilifeform: jurov: realize that folks have been selling rng since at least late '70s

14:57:56 asciilifeform: jurov: and yes, they are typically 'best practices' retarded - e.g., 'whitening' etc

14:58:31 decimation: part of the problem is as ascii has identified - you really want every part to be inspectible by the end user

14:58:56 decimation: the only other method I can think that is reasonably acceptable in this way is radiactive decay

14:59:37 asciilifeform: apparently i can discuss my designs all i want without fear of being 'scooped' because 'everybody' thinks i'm entirely batshit.

15:00:22 asciilifeform: no one - certainly not 'hackernews' imbeciles who ship their hardware with winblows drivers because 'consumer has come to expect' - give a flying fuck about auditability, etc.

15:01:01 asciilifeform: in other news,

15:01:03 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#comment-114308

15:02:03 decimation: if someone is interested in the radioactive decay, I would look at herr walker's hotbits > http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/

15:03:03 asciilifeform: decimation: there are some 'gotchas' to using geigers

15:03:03 decimation: asciilifeform: your earlier analogy of the deer kneeling before the hunter is apt

15:03:03 decimation: soon the hunter 'comes to expect'

15:03:03 asciilifeform: for one thing, the material, well... decays. at predictable rate.

15:03:03 decimation: heh yeah.

15:03:03 asciilifeform: for another, the process of geiger tube going off is rf-noisy

15:03:03 decimation: that's true, it is

15:03:03 asciilifeform: tube also wears out very quickly

15:03:03 decimation: that I didn't know

15:03:03 asciilifeform: that is really the main reason i do not use geiger for rng personally

15:03:03 decimation: oh yeah that sucks

15:03:08 asciilifeform: it wears out in the same way as a fluorescent light bulb does

15:03:23 asciilifeform: filament 'sputters' onto the walls

15:03:42 asciilifeform: in the case of geiger tube, the fill gas is also 'poisoned' by said process, iirc

15:04:04 decimation: yeah that makes sense

15:04:15 asciilifeform: phun phakt: virtually no one is still making geiger tubes commercially

15:04:19 decimation: tubes just don't do well with gaseous filling

15:04:33 decimation: no my understanding is that folks are 'recycling' old soviet tubes mainly

15:04:34 asciilifeform: almost entire world is relying on the - finite and mostly russian - cold war supplies

15:04:36 asciilifeform: aha

15:04:50 decimation: which probably have some variation themselves

15:05:01 asciilifeform: geiger tubes are no more difficult to make than light bulbs, but someone has to -do- it

15:05:12 Apocalyptic: "Similarly, the modulus of Peter Anvin's key is also divisible by 19 and 7704959, in addition to 3, 7 and 11 as" // I have found these two additional primes as well, and only those 2

15:05:26 decimation: yeah I suspect that most nuclear facilities have golden toilet budgets for fancier stuff

15:05:28 asciilifeform: (incidentally, strong's 'experimental physics' (see logs) describes how to make one)

15:06:07 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: care to comment on the 'is transformation same as picking random N for modulus' thing ?

15:06:14 Apocalyptic: "2) The public exponent is changed to 281479271743489" for which key ?

15:06:53 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: all of the ones discussed thus far.

15:07:08 asciilifeform: why - remains unknown

15:07:15 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, If I get some time I will, it requires a more carefull analysis that it may seem

15:08:39 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, even the HPA's invalid subkey ? I thought pgpdump showed me e = 65537

15:08:49 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: at present, we have sufficient info to birth these on demand from legit keys. but we do not know the magic trick which yields decryption (it does not necessarily take the shape of a private key! and may not even -exist- for every possible starting legit key)

15:09:05 Apocalyptic: "RSA e(17 bits) - 01 00 01" on the last two Public Subkey Packet

15:09:32 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: you are correct. only applies to -every key in The List-

15:09:37 Apocalyptic: aha

15:09:39 asciilifeform: notice it does not include the faux-anvin

15:10:01 asciilifeform: how that one was made - remains unknown

15:19:40 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, by the way do you have any explanation as to why pgpdump skips the KeyID field on invalid subkeys ?

15:19:58 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: not at present. will probably end up spending some quality time with the sourc

15:19:59 asciilifeform: e

15:21:01 asciilifeform: incidentally, now is a good time to mention the fact that sks also contains a great many keys which were too malformed to even attempt phuctoring

15:21:37 asciilifeform: (and they make pgpdump unhappy, in various ways, yes.)

15:23:45 Apocalyptic: quite amusing that 281479271743489 has 65537 as one of its 3 prime factors, those cosmic rays have a sense of humour

15:23:51 asciilifeform: aha.

15:23:53 asciilifeform: they sure do.

15:24:44 asciilifeform: i still regard it as not entirely unlikely that the attack is a pure 'dos'

15:25:03 asciilifeform: and that no one attempted to actually derive the corresponding privates

15:28:17 chetty: http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/22/technology/adult-friendfinder-hacked/index.html

15:29:17 asciilifeform: l0l! that thing actually existed as something other than spam ads ?!

15:29:17 asciilifeform: and people -paid- for it?!

15:29:24 asciilifeform: and pwned by no less than weev himself? l0l

15:29:47 asciilifeform: or nm

15:34:46 chetty: someone getting ideas from fetlife :D

15:45:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00028103 = 11.0304 BTC [-]

16:46:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62246 @ 0.00028103 = 17.493 BTC [-]

17:17:48 ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/1SJBXB5.txt << previous experience lead me to expect `make install` to, well, install all of the relevant things. trinque, asciilifeform: any obvious mistakes or bad thoughts on my part you'd care to rectify?

17:18:58 trinque: ben_vulpes: I bet process_rpower_integration(order,

17:19:00 trinque: payment_info

17:19:02 trinque: if method and method.processor == 'rpower'

17:19:04 trinque: else None)

17:19:06 trinque: ah fuck

17:19:08 trinque: hahahaha

17:19:31 trinque: ben_vulpes: I BET LD_LIBRARY_PATH IS WEIRD ON OS X

17:19:37 trinque: ALSO HAVE SOME PYTHON CODE

17:21:32 ben_vulpes: nah this is gentoo

17:21:49 ben_vulpes: thanks for the python bro

17:22:24 trinque: now everybody knows lisp has weirded up the way I do my parenthesis

17:23:15 trinque: ben_vulpes: lemme fix a thing and then I'll see how that compares to my build of dieharder

17:24:06 ben_vulpes: i'm in no rush

17:24:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22604 @ 0.00027831 = 6.2909 BTC [-]

17:28:08 jurov: ben_vulpes: check if you have /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf

17:28:13 jurov: and run ldconfig

17:28:39 jurov: any time libraries are installed, ldconfig should be ran

17:29:41 ben_vulpes: <jurov> and run ldconfig << that was it

17:29:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23646 @ 0.00028474 = 6.733 BTC [+]

17:30:12 ben_vulpes: "use libtool" << so as to speak "just type libtool at the prompt"

17:30:30 ben_vulpes: `curl log.bitcoin-assets.com | sudo sh`

17:30:49 ben_vulpes: WCGW™

17:31:03 ben_vulpes: thanks jurov

17:32:57 jurov: how did you hook up the rng in the end?

17:34:55 jurov: since i have rpi, i'd have just used gpio pin.. you have no hw with gpio?

17:43:06 ben_vulpes: no hw with gpio, but now that you mention rpi mebbe i should try that

17:43:19 ben_vulpes: was going to wire it up to a microphone

17:43:25 ben_vulpes: but now mebbe raspi!

17:49:18 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: microphone probably won't work, it being ac-coupled

17:49:34 asciilifeform: you'd have to use intervals between spikes as the entropy

17:49:51 jurov: yes i'm curious what will be the best sampling method.. timing the pulses with some fast counter?

17:49:52 ben_vulpes: i was anticipating some really lame dsp-by-hand

17:50:07 *: asciilifeform will be out in meatspace for weekend, with sporadic connectivity

17:52:13 jurov: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4715 not very encouraging

17:53:13 jurov: ;;seen assbot

17:53:13 gribble: assbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 minutes and 34 seconds ago: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23646 @ 0.00028474 = 6.733 BTC [+]

17:53:13 jurov: kakobrekla: ^

17:53:19 jurov: or maybe it's just slow, is there some attack?

18:05:27 kakobrekla: !s test

18:05:28 assbot: 1302 results for 'test' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=test

18:05:33 kakobrekla: hm?

18:05:53 jurov: it did not fetch the title

18:06:39 kakobrekla: thats cause mp/cp fucked up one of his servers

18:10:54 jurov: hooray for bisp

18:13:25 kakobrekla: that was pre bisp

18:13:35 kakobrekla: log1 server

18:14:27 kakobrekla: anyway someone else can run proxy title parser and ill use that

18:14:40 kakobrekla: shit even i can run it.

18:15:39 jurov: lol

18:15:55 jurov: glad to be helpful

18:16:28 kakobrekla: lesson learned; never talk.

18:16:46 jurov: you can always !down yourself

18:17:50 kakobrekla: cant, still have my lower pair of ribs

18:18:21 jurov: lampelina can !down you then

18:18:42 kakobrekla: only if assbot allows

18:19:06 jurov: quite an arrangement, this

18:19:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25253 @ 0.00028573 = 7.2155 BTC [+] {2}

18:19:49 kakobrekla: ba comes with all sorts of implications

18:20:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49147 @ 0.00028975 = 14.2403 BTC [+] {2}

18:23:12 ben_vulpes: weirdos

18:24:55 jurov: !up Kalki

18:25:57 Kalki: Greetings

18:26:07 jurov: Hello, what brings you around?

18:26:28 *: kakobrekla bets on rsa

18:26:31 Kalki: Not much just seeing if anything interesting is being discussed

18:27:05 jurov: yes, check out our logs

18:27:21 Kalki: Pretty newb around these parts but find it quite refreshing as I have been swimming in the shallow btc waters looking for honesty

18:28:13 kakobrekla: !gettrust Kalki

18:28:13 assbot: Kalki is not registered in WoT.

18:28:25 kakobrekla: any honest to be found is there

18:28:51 jurov: !h

18:28:51 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

18:29:09 jurov: um.. i wanted the "first steps"

18:29:27 jurov: anyway it's linked from there

18:29:50 kakobrekla: somebody actually fixed that so it does not include gribble anymore

18:31:25 Kalki: Kakobrekla - do you mean get it together with a wot setup? Or what does !gettrust mean?

18:31:50 jurov: yes, set up the wot

18:32:20 Kalki: Yeah been meaning to... Still reading and catching up -

18:33:06 jurov: better sooner than later... before the new account fee rises again

18:33:16 kakobrekla: lol

18:33:17 jurov: jkjk

18:33:58 Kalki: Wait - it's not the same as the fee for mpex is it?

18:34:27 kakobrekla: wot is free

18:34:40 Kalki: Nm I will look later

18:34:45 Kalki: Oh ok

18:34:50 Kalki: Yeah thought so

18:35:11 mircea_popescu: unless gabriel_laddel finds a way to charge for it...

18:35:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol did a key become unfactored ?

18:45:27 mircea_popescu: by the way, for the putative folk with a rediscovered number theory fondness among the readers : https://primes.utm.edu/notes/conjectures/ is not bad.

18:46:27 mircea_popescu: especially seeing how plenty of the conjectures that are still open problems are around a century old.

19:06:53 ben_vulpes: is gabriel_laddel's business model really that bad?

19:07:12 ben_vulpes: professional services and licenses for the custom ware the software so produced run on?

19:07:15 trinque: ben_vulpes: he's apparently going to help me install his masamune this weekend

19:07:22 ben_vulpes: oooh

19:07:24 ben_vulpes: can i come

19:07:27 trinque: sure

19:07:37 trinque: I found his repo, built it and bitched that it didn't work :D

19:07:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00029268 = 17.7657 BTC [+] {2}

19:07:59 trinque: WIP, no shame in that

19:08:24 trinque: and no, I personally don't think anyone will ever pay for such a thing enough to sustain its development

19:09:03 trinque: gotta bolt it to some service he'd provide with the thing that's desirable on its own

19:10:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival.

19:10:50 mircea_popescu: the notion that one'll make money from "licenses" in the future... heh. not such a great plan.

19:11:18 trinque: mircea_popescu: I take that as "we'll figure out the business model later" when I hear it

19:11:35 mircea_popescu: he did seem of the "i feel like hacking on this so fu" persuasion.

19:11:41 mircea_popescu: nttawwt, especially at his age

19:11:55 trinque: "people pay for me; I have value"

19:12:00 trinque: ok

19:12:02 trinque: :D

19:12:34 trinque: yeah my mother has no problem with me living on her couch either; doesn't mean I do it

19:13:16 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/literara-este-grea/#selection-67.314-67.436

19:14:16 mircea_popescu: sadly, in romanian.

19:14:16 trinque: also the selection thing is scrolling to the paragraph involved, but not selecting

19:14:16 mircea_popescu: so much weird in the browsers....

19:14:17 trinque: Chrome 42.0.2311.152 (64-bit) Gentoo

19:14:29 trinque: yup, errata everywhere

19:14:39 mircea_popescu: if any of you ever getting unexpected behaviour feel for some unknown reason a compulsion to debug the whys and wherefores, i would certainly listen

19:14:52 mircea_popescu: but i can't be sending people on this snipe expedition because i am a poorfag.

19:15:57 mircea_popescu: hiring interview "mr X we will need you to debug all the browsers." "that's fine, but i will need all the moneys" "we only have a fraction of the moneys" "then i can debug a fraction of the browsers" "well... that isn't useful is it now."

19:17:17 trinque: heh, I was just mentioning elsewhere that the only right way to write browser JS is in the mode of a schizoid paranoiac, suspecting all but the most basic features of it of trying to steal your precious bodily fluids

19:21:46 trinque: mircea_popescu: Uncaught IndexSizeError: Failed to execute 'setEnd' on 'Range': The offset 419 is larger than or equal to the node's length (0).

19:22:14 mircea_popescu: o.O

19:22:38 trinque: the line which is 623 on fraudsters.com/2010/literara-este-grea/

19:22:50 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/literara-este-grea/#selection-67.316-67.434 ?

19:23:50 trinque: Uncaught IndexSizeError: Failed to execute 'setEnd' on 'Range': The offset 118 is larger than or equal to the node's length (0).

19:23:50 trinque: borken maffs?

19:23:50 mircea_popescu: for chrome only ?!

19:24:06 trinque: that JS does have the human hair, glue and googly eyes look to it

19:28:50 trinque: mircea_popescu: if I call scrollToHash in the console myself, it works

19:28:54 trinque: smells like a race condition

19:29:07 mircea_popescu: weird.

19:30:28 jurov: any such stuff must be done delayed, not immediately

19:30:56 jurov: in onLoad/onDOMReady handler

19:31:09 jurov: (maybe it is i haven't looked)

19:32:19 mircea_popescu: jurov well it is at the end of the page.

19:32:49 jurov: i'd expect such problems still

19:34:07 jurov: one of these "schizoid paranoiac" things i rather always follow

19:35:10 trinque: jurov: he's got a delay in there of 500ms

19:35:46 jurov: ah. just my 2 satoshi

19:36:11 trinque: all this checking for null shit... beatings

19:37:29 trinque: when you JS, you must resist the temptation to think like JS, haha

19:37:52 trinque: no prototype chains, no "new", no nothing

19:42:29 mircea_popescu: nothing is a js thing ?

19:43:12 jurov: different kinds of

19:55:14 trinque: mircea_popescu: I'd use something like this to fire it off https://github.com/dperini/ContentLoaded/blob/master/src/contentloaded.js

19:56:14 trinque: "are your really, really, really ready browser?"

19:56:14 mircea_popescu: obviously i read dperini as derperini

19:56:14 trinque: lol

19:56:22 mircea_popescu: no fucking way am i adding 50 lines of code to deal with chrome's speshul.

19:56:35 trinque: window.onload = initScrollToHash;

19:56:36 trinque: setTimeout(initScrollToHash, 500);

19:56:40 trinque: ^ looks like hax trying to deal with it

19:56:55 trinque: he's saying run it at whatever the browser thinks load is, and also 500ms later because reasons

19:57:16 trinque: classic JS programmer tic

19:57:20 mircea_popescu: heh

19:57:35 trinque: and also, it works for me on certain pages, not others

19:57:41 mircea_popescu: win.

19:57:46 trinque: so 500ms is likely not enough... sometimes

19:58:00 mircea_popescu: does it work on same page if reload ?

19:58:05 trinque: mircea_popescu: jquery literally spin-checks to work around this

19:58:26 jurov: a clue: i get delayed errors for avatars in chrome console. maybe it's related

19:58:42 trinque: mircea_popescu: no, does not work on the original page in question

19:58:56 trinque: after refresh

19:59:05 jurov: if it won't work till all avatars load, that would explain why it works on some pages

19:59:30 mircea_popescu: so what, doesn't make dom available until the missing linked images timeout ?

19:59:32 mircea_popescu: that's classy.

19:59:38 jurov: yeah that's sooo derpy

19:59:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143542 << aaaannnd here we go.

19:59:48 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 09:42:10; scoopbot_revived: Bitfinex Hot Wallet Possibly Compromised http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitfinex-hot-wallet-possibly-compromised/

20:00:00 trinque: ah!

20:00:10 trinque: yeah, looks to be "page with comments == borken"

20:00:50 trinque: that holds after a bit of spot checking

20:01:30 trinque: yup, I thought at first it was "long page", but newp, works fine on long pages long as there aren't comments

20:01:41 mircea_popescu: yeah tis missing avatars.

20:01:44 mircea_popescu: i'm not fixing this.

20:02:08 *: jurov pours himself some wine

20:02:13 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74dJMT75csk

20:03:13 mircea_popescu: jurov better hurry up with that wine, bingo's asleep and cazalla not up yet.

20:03:13 mircea_popescu: b-a is trying to keep one guy drunk at all times, a sort of olympic... flame.

20:05:27 trinque: this browser thing needs a look someday, has to go

20:06:46 jurov: obsolete all browsers!

20:06:55 trinque: n+1 standards!

20:06:57 trinque: haha

20:08:51 trinque: but come on, gimme a sandboxed lisp-ish thing, let it grab text over sockets, draw pretty pictures on a rectangle, done

20:08:52 scoopbot_revived: The Bed Sitting Room http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-bed-sitting-room/

20:09:27 jurov: trinque: are you aware what was ecmascript inspired by?

20:09:33 trinque: I sure am

20:09:35 trinque: "inspired"

20:09:44 trinque: jurov: eich even said it shoulda been a scheme later

20:10:45 trinque: but forget the whole dom braindamage; that probably would've remained if he had

20:11:48 trinque: just gimme drawing in a rectangle, and let people write higher level widgetry things atop that

20:12:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143587 << yeah i dun see how that's in their defense.

20:12:27 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 13:41:19; Naphex: Adlai: that'd be probably more dumb :P

20:12:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143589 << wait, srsly ?!

20:12:51 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 13:42:24; Adlai: twas sometime between the seventh and eleventh book crossing that we screamed fuckit and drained the account

20:13:01 Adlai: ya srsly

20:13:42 *: Adlai currently has negative net bitcoin debt

20:14:24 mircea_popescu: sigh.

20:14:50 jurov: bitcoinica forever

20:14:51 mircea_popescu: then "everyone" (of the idiots) is simply copying their "price" and then the world derps abouit how "capitalism creates economic cycles"

20:15:04 mircea_popescu: no dude. capitalism is not involved. stop being a herd of idiots wtf.

20:15:39 mircea_popescu: this is like "decentralization doesn't work becasue we all used the same copy of decentralized software and got ownered"

20:15:41 Adlai: who's copying what price?

20:16:01 Adlai: last i checked 1 DOGE = 1 DOGE

20:16:15 mircea_popescu: Adlai isn't buttfinex the one of the web exchanges with the largest random number published under "volume" ?

20:16:36 Adlai: they at least charge their customers for helping them boost that number

20:16:43 mircea_popescu: allegedly.

20:17:41 Adlai: either way, their order book has been crossing at an increasingly frequent rate

20:17:51 Adlai: screenshots all over the reddits, for the curious

20:17:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143625 x.x

20:17:52 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 14:24:52; mod6: heheh, redirect works fine with lynx, seems to not work well with FF.

20:18:09 mircea_popescu: Adlai it's actually in my reports, too. the part i hadn't read thereof.

20:18:28 *: mircea_popescu has been skipping the web exchanges header for... months, now.

20:19:27 *: Adlai has brought scalpl for some drydock, next voyage planned for the cross-chain seas

20:19:59 jurov: any stats how much it made?

20:20:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143634 << yeah fo sho.

20:20:06 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 14:29:20; asciilifeform: incidentally, now more than ever is the time to set up an sks server under our control. because sks is our ultimate 'backup'

20:20:06 Adlai: no

20:20:27 mircea_popescu: how goes mats ?

20:22:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143652 "the path to truth is correctly hiding all the places we're lying to ourselves!"

20:22:01 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 14:57:39; jurov: "Internal Whitening" ftw

20:23:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143669 << this is a largest concern.

20:23:02 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 15:03:03; asciilifeform: tube also wears out very quickly

20:23:15 mircea_popescu: it's not only that it wears off quickly, it wears off as a function of... HOW MUCH IT DETECTED

20:23:17 Adlai: jurov: there's lots of data, but motivation to do anything scalpl-related is currently at all-time lows

20:23:50 jurov: where were we with S.MPOE?

20:24:06 jurov: it was not feasible or?

20:24:11 *: Adlai wanted to build a simulator to check feasibility

20:24:13 mircea_popescu: tandem arrangements can to some degree help, but it gets rapidly iffy (tandem arrangements of radiation detectors are fundamentally looking at the same event, at least some of the time - not so with electronic noise like cardano measures, where tandem detectors are actually looking at distinct events)

20:25:36 jurov: ohno... this mpex simulator stuff again

20:26:34 Adlai: it's not necessary, but the alternative is to not simulate, which requires an account

20:27:23 jurov: i can give you access to mpexagent

20:27:42 Adlai: !s mpexagent

20:27:43 assbot: 7 results for 'mpexagent' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mpexagent

20:28:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143704 << the problem with multiplication in these ethereal numeric bodies is that it has about as many gotchas as memory allocation in c. and most of them plenty unintuitive.

20:28:15 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 15:23:45; Apocalyptic: quite amusing that 281479271743489 has 65537 as one of its 3 prime factors, those cosmic rays have a sense of humour

20:28:33 mircea_popescu: who the fuck knows what exactly multiplying the exponent by a factor in the key does.

20:29:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143709 << lmao!

20:29:11 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 15:28:17; chetty: http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/22/technology/adult-friendfinder-hacked/index.html

20:30:11 mircea_popescu: mp does fetlife, weev does aff. i guess i lose out huh.

20:33:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143748 << golden standard is what alf presented, oscilloscope coupling

20:33:28 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 17:49:51; jurov: yes i'm curious what will be the best sampling method.. timing the pulses with some fast counter?

20:34:04 jurov: so ben_vulpes will then use camera to get the random bits off osciloscope?

20:34:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143773 << lol

20:34:17 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 18:19:06; jurov: quite an arrangement, this

20:34:29 mircea_popescu: jurov i just meant the type of coupling!

20:34:44 mircea_popescu: hateur

20:41:24 mircea_popescu: incidentally, asciilifeform & all : is b-a pgp going to use vsh for hashing ?

20:42:15 Adlai: (... but this requires customized JSON parser at the receiving side, that isn't always practical.) << pffffff (setf json:*real-handler* (lambda (string) (parse-float string :type 'rational)))

20:42:16 mircea_popescu: apparently it goes with cramer-shoup

20:42:20 mircea_popescu: !s cramer-shoup

20:42:21 assbot: 6 results for 'cramer-shoup' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cramer-shoup

20:56:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49941 @ 0.00027815 = 13.8911 BTC [-]

21:08:52 cazalla: mircea_popescu, jurov's wine is safe, i prefer a half dozen cup of teas in the morning, not wine

21:19:50 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

21:20:34 ascii_modem: vsh << good but we want it in tandem with, e.g., whirlpool

21:20:51 mircea_popescu: yes

21:20:52 ascii_modem: hash with each, concat, sign

21:21:04 mircea_popescu: well not sure abotu concat

21:22:20 ascii_modem: rng sampling << shift register , external clock, optocouplers

21:22:29 ascii_modem: not hard (tm)

21:24:20 ascii_modem: unfactored ?! << see log

21:24:34 mircea_popescu: yeh i saw. awell

21:34:19 trinque: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel "I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune." be careful, you're underestimating the colossal difficulty of this and there are old skeletons on old battlefields that thought the same. *do you have the connections to make these sales to big businesses, militaries, private schools, and so on?*

21:34:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:34:54 trinque: gabriel_laddel | trinque: guy's never sold a thing in his life << lol << ftr this is exactly why I said this

21:35:37 trinque: "yeah I could see people buying this" is not a sales strategy

21:36:02 trinque: what I'd do is try to land a client that gives no shits about masamune, but needs something it can do

21:36:20 trinque: and try to land the client first, don't just assume it'll happen when you're ready

21:36:24 trinque: I've had deals that took two years to close

21:36:36 trinque: strike that, four on one

21:38:02 trinque: then you set up your contract with them such that they're paying for the specific tool, and establish with them that the license for that is distinct from the one for Masamune

21:38:16 trinque: and the above is by no means saying that'd be easy

21:39:46 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143710 <<< that site got me laid quite a few times

21:39:46 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 15:29:17; asciilifeform: l0l! that thing actually existed as something other than spam ads ?!

21:41:20 cazalla: was sorta like tinder for people like me in their 20's 10 years ago

21:42:55 mircea_popescu: http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021&pg=11 << and sadly, it died.

21:43:56 mircea_popescu: seriously, you "can't spy on military" because magic ? srsly, "time is his for the asking" for being FAMOUS ? gtfo.

22:20:42 kakobrekla: http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitfinex-hot-wallet-possibly-compromised/ < something is off with the link to bc.info ?

22:22:11 scoopbot_revived: The 787 experience. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/22/the-787-experience/

22:25:56 cazalla: kakobrekla, should work now, https://blockchain.info/address/17owg8RWb73qfE5HeQk6gg6RAgEUfxPXks is the address anyway

22:27:09 kakobrekla: more buttcoin dripping in

22:27:21 mircea_popescu: lulzy

22:29:13 funkenstein_: ah man I wish I were in Zurri now too

22:32:15 trinque: http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/21/8634437/google-internet-of-things-software-report << coupla companies releasing "internet of things" operating systems. I've said a few times that this is a good market entrypoint for a small lisp machine

22:33:15 trinque: right alongside a bunch of competitors that are going to get brutalized by hackers

22:38:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, all the nontrivial factors found have very interesting binary symmetries.

22:38:08 mircea_popescu: key 4.1 : 17742509903907 = 1000000100011 0000000000000000000 1000000100011

22:38:08 mircea_popescu: key 4.2 : 4294967297 = 100000000000000000000000000000001

22:38:08 mircea_popescu: key 5.1 : 7301444404 = 1101100 11001100 11001100 1100110100

22:38:08 mircea_popescu: key 5.2 : 270582939711 = 111111 00000000000000000000000000 111111

22:38:08 mircea_popescu: key 6.1 : like key 4.2.

22:38:09 mircea_popescu: key 6.1 : absent

22:38:11 mircea_popescu: key 7.1 : 98784247831 = 1011100000000000000000000000000010111

22:38:13 mircea_popescu: key 7.2 : 30064771079 = 11100000000000000000000000000000111

22:38:15 mircea_popescu: key 8.1 : 12884901891 = 1100000000000000000000000000000011

22:38:17 mircea_popescu: key 8.2 : 21474836485 = 10100000000000000000000000000000101

22:38:19 mircea_popescu: key 9.1 : like key 4.2.

22:38:21 mircea_popescu: key 9.2 : absent

22:38:23 mircea_popescu: key 10.1 : 4294967297 = like key 4.2.

22:38:25 mircea_popescu: key 10.2 : 12884901891 = 1100000000000000000000000000000011

22:39:05 kakobrekla: looks like comic ray to me.

22:39:16 mircea_popescu: let's try and count the types. first, there's two types with key 4.2. type T1.1 like 4.x and 10.x, which include a central symmetry factor 2nd key ; type T1.2 like 6.x and 9.x which does not

22:39:46 mircea_popescu: then there's central symmetry like in 7.1 or 4.2, but there's also simple repeating like in 4.1

22:40:10 mircea_popescu: and some keys are made of modules with two central symmetry factors, whereas some other keys only include one

22:40:14 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla verily.

22:42:56 hanbot: 5.1 and 7.1 better example of repeating, 101 could be just like 100000100011. 11/101/111 are all symmetric to so you don't know.

22:45:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58697 @ 0.0002805 = 16.4645 BTC [+] {2}

22:47:08 funkenstein_: whoa palindromic primes

22:49:26 hanbot: looks like a good heuristic of what factors to try first

22:50:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53561 @ 0.00028575 = 15.3051 BTC [+] {2}

22:55:55 scoopbot_revived: Six Months In, OKCoin Relinquish Control Of Bitcoin.com http://qntra.net/2015/05/six-months-in-okcoin-relinquish-control-of-bitcoin-com/

22:58:03 funkenstein_: big congrats go out to phuctor team from dwarven contingency

22:58:39 funkenstein_: is there a story to go with the triangle on the middle finger?

22:59:39 funkenstein_: the diode?

23:42:34 jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html propped up...but it looks no one signed someone's other patch yet?

23:53:34 ben_vulpes: mmm i have

23:53:59 jurov: can you tell where/when?

23:54:33 ben_vulpes: right before the release

23:54:40 ben_vulpes: xmitted a *mess* of resigned patches

23:54:48 ben_vulpes: probably fucked it up some way

23:56:03 jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000070.html this, i guess

23:57:03 jurov: looks like you haven't used the patch IDs

23:58:06 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ the what now ?

23:58:24 mircea_popescu: hanbot yeah actually, not bad heuristic.

23:58:44 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupidly) that IP would take the form of gpg signatures on "i will not

23:58:46 ben_vulpes: send this code around to anyone

23:58:47 mircea_popescu: if anyone feels like downloading phuctor's P and trying all these types of divisors on it see if we already contain one

23:58:48 ben_vulpes: else", unenforceable just like the rest of the gpg contracts

23:58:55 mircea_popescu: seeing how it wouldn't trigger unless we find two

23:59:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and how do you distinguish who squelched ?

23:59:32 ben_vulpes: y'can't, i know.

23:59:44 ben_vulpes: but for a bezzleplay, it ain't bad.

23:59:54 mircea_popescu: i don't get how it'd work.