Transcript for 22-06-2014, 1053 lines:
00:00:05 benkay: i don't know that the women *can't* have kids so much as the men aren't interested in being fathers or even men
00:00:22 mircea_popescu: is what i meant.
00:01:35 mircea_popescu: "when you write manuals for naval or air force vessels, you don't use MS Word and hope Microsoft doesn't come out with yet another incompatible disservice pack and/or upgrade, you use CALS and enterprise-wide publishing systems."
00:01:42 mircea_popescu: holy shit what is he on about. what happened to tex.
00:02:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cals is/was a mind-bogglingly pedantic spec from us dod (circa early 80s)
00:02:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with the idea that under no circumstances would the death of one, two, hundred vendors lead to unreadable texts
00:02:51 mircea_popescu: hm
00:02:51 asciilifeform: the result was a mega-backbreaker - like Ada. but it sorta worked.
00:02:55 mircea_popescu: i am ignorant ofsuch matters.
00:03:26 asciilifeform: they could have, in principle, picked tex, but the latter has no hard spec for graphics.
00:04:23 asciilifeform: all of this took place in the long-gone era when usg insisted on full blueprints, chip masks (!) etc. to ensure longevity of a complete design
00:04:23 mircea_popescu: as in tables ?
00:04:27 asciilifeform: as in bitmaps
00:04:34 mircea_popescu: wtf bitmaps
00:04:39 asciilifeform: and vector (e.g. cad)
00:04:41 mircea_popescu: svg ?
00:04:58 asciilifeform: svg is a very recent thing
00:05:13 asciilifeform: remember, this is pre-sgml even
00:05:26 mircea_popescu: oh oh
00:05:38 asciilifeform: us dod realized that computer would remain 'a thing' - wanted hard specced formats.
00:05:49 asciilifeform: one of the last gasps of reason from that institution
00:06:11 asciilifeform: (naggum is known to have worked in ada. hence his familiarity with the matter)
00:07:02 asciilifeform: what computer-based product, on the shelf today, can be guaranteed manufacturable 50 years hence?
00:07:18 asciilifeform: that was the objective. some semblance of guarantee.
00:07:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform flash rom
00:08:25 asciilifeform: funny that you mention roms, because vintage arcade machine enthusiasts go through astounding gymnastics to replicate the behaviour of '80s roms.
00:08:28 mircea_popescu: and to push a point, im pretty sure the mosfets are unchanged
00:08:31 mircea_popescu: since maybe 60s
00:09:06 asciilifeform: if you want an analogue part with known 'curves', you usually have to work at it.
00:09:34 asciilifeform: ask a fellow who's into vintage musical synths
00:09:58 asciilifeform: (or the valve aficionados)
00:10:41 asciilifeform: obligatory:
00:12:28 mircea_popescu: !up cowloon
00:12:44 cowloon: what's that mean
00:13:15 mircea_popescu: it means you can talk.
00:13:35 cowloon: oh, thanks
00:13:51 cowloon: but, I'm just here to lurk at the moment
00:14:26 mircea_popescu: it'll fade away, don't worry.
00:18:03 asciilifeform: benkay: my parents had a soviet gizmo that consisted of exactly such a tube, with small tesla coil in the handle (dermatological crackpot medicine) so i got to see/feel mr t's tube on own hide.
00:18:23 asciilifeform: ;;google дарсонваль
00:18:53 *: asciilifeform laughed when, decades hence, saw the same in american sex shops
00:19:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually it's jolting if inserted up the cunt
00:19:28 asciilifeform: i can picture this
00:20:07 asciilifeform: for those who don't own this toy - it is rather like the spark of static one sometimes gets when touching grounded objects in winter time, but - constantly
00:20:11 mircea_popescu: so it has legitimate place in sex shop
00:20:24 mircea_popescu: if not in derma clinic (which is still done btw, high end spas and whatnot)
00:20:47 asciilifeform: zaps, e.g. acne pretty well.
00:20:51 mircea_popescu: " the spark of static one sometimes gets when touching grounded objects in winter time" << he means, when wearing mixed wool and plastic clothing
00:21:06 asciilifeform: or wool slippers
00:21:07 benkay: http://www.remingtonproducts.com/womens/ipl/i-light-pro/i-light-pro-intense-pulsed-light-hair-removal-system.aspx << does this shit work?
00:22:19 benkay: it seems to cook the follicle...
00:22:44 asciilifeform: go find the fellow who'll agree to shave with this.
00:23:06 asciilifeform: (reminds me of the russian ww2 recipe for a quick shave - petrol.)
00:23:09 benkay: test it on a babe...
00:23:23 benkay: dissolves the hair, asciilifeform ?
00:23:28 asciilifeform: negative
00:23:31 asciilifeform: gotta light it.
00:23:31 mircea_popescu: benkay you have no idea how far the female threshold is.
00:23:39 mircea_popescu: they brazilian wax FOR SPORT
00:24:03 benkay: i gotta start waxing for sport
00:24:47 asciilifeform: light coat of high-boiling fuel on skin won't burn the latter - watch a stage magician set own hands on fire, etc
00:24:57 asciilifeform: best done by one skilled in the art.
00:25:11 asciilifeform: ;;google leidenfrost effect
00:25:50 benkay: okay so in this book of historical erotica i was browsing at the party last night in place of the utterly inane conversation of drunks and the unemployable i discovered a print titled 'the barber', where some woman was having her cooch shaved
00:25:56 benkay: this from like 1640 or something
00:26:22 benkay: and while I *know* that nothing is new under the sun, i still learned last night that cuntshaving's been a thing forever.
00:26:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you familiar with this supposed siberian torture technique, give naked victim gasoline and a book of matches and let them be ?
00:26:31 benkay: ;;ticker
00:26:33 mircea_popescu: something like that
00:26:57 mircea_popescu: benkay not forever. i think it was a greek invention.
00:27:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this works on americans. who routinely manage to light themselves up when trying to start backyard fires
00:27:33 mircea_popescu: lol
00:45:59 benkay: that's forever to me ;)
01:23:22 mircea_popescu: !up nerdfiles
02:43:49 mircea_popescu: argentine flan kicks ass
02:54:15 mircea_popescu: !up muxne
02:55:00 mircea_popescu: !up vexual
02:55:01 mircea_popescu: noobs
03:00:56 mircea_popescu: !up vexual
03:01:25 Vexual: hi
03:02:08 mircea_popescu: no soup for you.
03:03:41 Vexual: tell me about it
03:03:49 Vexual: i tried to go to the thing in hong kong
03:04:10 Vexual: calced exactly the whisky to sleep for 8 hours
03:04:17 mircea_popescu: there was this duckling earlier.
03:04:38 Vexual: frindly airport staff think i overcalced
03:05:53 Vexual: duckling?
03:06:39 mircea_popescu: what's your bell come to by the\ way ?
03:07:57 asciilifeform: unrelated to anything (save possible the legal sophistries discussions):
03:08:14 asciilifeform: took ages to dig up the english
03:27:17 mircea_popescu: !up kanzure
03:27:57 asciilifeform: ;;ident kanzure
03:28:16 asciilifeform: kanzure: get in wot so i can rate you as known human
03:35:28 kanzure: asciilifeform: oops sorry about that
03:35:44 kanzure: asciilifeform: fixed
03:35:56 kanzure: asciilifeform: btw, i bought a dna synthesizer the other day
03:36:07 asciilifeform: which one
03:36:10 kanzure: ABI 391
03:36:18 asciilifeform: neato
03:36:26 kanzure: hell yeah! a decade of cancer here i come.
03:37:01 kanzure: gonna be hooking up a microfluidic column based on a projector
03:37:29 kanzure: to do 1920x1080 sequences simultaneously
03:40:13 asciilifeform: ;;rate kanzure 1 meat programmer
03:40:17 kanzure: asciilifeform: still trying to figure out how to paint the device,
03:40:23 kanzure: i was thinking painting this over the beige panels: http://ih3.redbubble.net/image.15027782.1633/fc,550x550,asphalt.u1.jpg
03:40:54 asciilifeform: ;;rate kanzure 1 meat programmer
03:44:20 kanzure: also open to suggestions for other graffiti options
03:45:56 mircea_popescu: that domain read redtube at frst
03:46:25 kanzure: might as well
04:05:04 thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
04:05:05 moiety: whoops well the doge community does not like being told "fuck you".... i'm in the doghouse
04:13:59 Vexual: boingo brain u genius
04:16:46 mthreat: !up mjr_
04:21:21 mthreat: <mircea_popescu> mthreat wouldja be interested in filling in the logs for the first missing year, and generate a drop-in blob kakobrekla can put into his log thing too ? << sure, do you have the logs for the first year?
04:22:50 Vexual: lol
04:22:57 mthreat: <benkay> linespacing's pretty wide but awesome work << i'm shit at CSS; feel free to suggest changes, with css/html code if possible
04:23:44 mircea_popescu: mthreat drop me your email, ill send you what i got.
04:23:48 mircea_popescu: lemme see here
04:24:32 mircea_popescu: Azelphur FabianB mod6 punkman mind sendinmg your early logs to mthreat too ?
04:24:50 mircea_popescu: up until july 2013 if memory serves.
04:25:14 mircea_popescu: may actually.
04:26:06 mthreat: log.b-a currently goes back to 26-4-2013 I believe
04:26:14 mjr_: what a treasure trove of fun memories
04:27:01 mthreat: ^ that is the oldest day, and the first entry has id #1.
05:04:27 Vexual: yo smidge, -1 me for effectiveness
05:04:44 Vexual: :)
05:06:07 benkay: ;;ident Vexual
05:06:22 benkay: is this real life?
05:06:25 Vexual: can i haz job now ben10?
05:06:35 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot muXne
05:07:09 benkay: well if this aint a how d'you do
05:07:37 benkay: i don't hire markov chains, Vexual
05:10:07 benkay: but play some music i might send you a bitcent or two
05:10:07 Vexual: shit got lippy, i deleted it
05:10:25 Vexual: now i forget what you like
05:11:00 benkay: well i enjoyed this a lot today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-QRw9Pl5WI&eml=2014June19/1644059/6011909
05:13:01 benkay: peeeeete
05:13:13 benkay: m'lad
05:13:54 bitcoinpete: lol hey benkay
05:14:06 bitcoinpete: just came across this gem: https://twitter.com/coin_artist/status/480574910515789825
05:20:27 mircea_popescu: ହିନ୍ଜଡା << this is a word
05:21:02 Apocalyptic: in Sumerian maybe
05:21:15 mircea_popescu: some indian language
05:21:32 Vexual: sanskrit?
05:22:31 moiety: what does it mean?
05:22:41 Vexual: ^
05:23:28 moiety: is it just me that it looks like a row of people to?
05:23:39 moiety: well, heads
05:24:03 mircea_popescu: yeah.
05:24:11 moiety: XD
05:26:34 Vexual: i met a girl that knew sanskrit once
05:26:59 mircea_popescu: mthreat sent to april 27th
05:27:06 mircea_popescu: there are prolly holes in it tho
05:27:38 mthreat: ok
05:28:43 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pigeons hey you got old -assets logs ? 2012 to 2013 ?
05:30:05 mircea_popescu: Aug 10 08:04:15 * patrickharnett (cb4f5ec0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.8.131.52) has joined #bitcoin-assets
05:30:08 mircea_popescu: days of yore heh
05:30:25 mircea_popescu: ;;seen bitfoo
05:34:06 mircea_popescu: ;;seen oneeyed
05:34:38 mircea_popescu: what's jcpham's gay nick these days ?
05:39:30 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, rithm
05:39:36 mircea_popescu: a yes ty.
05:39:53 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell rithm hey you got old -assets logs ? dump em on mthreat
05:40:06 Apocalyptic: yw
05:40:45 bitcoinpete: man the world cup wouldn't be 1/10th as interesting w/o bitbet
05:40:46 moiety: imma get a couple hours sleep, night all :]
05:40:51 bitcoinpete: having a huge amount of fun
05:41:04 bitcoinpete: cheers moiety :)
05:41:11 mircea_popescu: moiety sex weeks to you!
05:41:27 moiety: XD
05:43:37 bitcoinpete: the blackcoin "community" has been driving some traffic to my blog with the litecoin article
05:43:53 bitcoinpete: there are some lulz in the comments
05:44:02 bitcoinpete: "Peter Dushenski is a first class bellend who would attack blackcoin if it was in litecoins position. JUST REMEMBER THAT!"
05:44:11 bitcoinpete: probably the best one there
05:44:47 bitcoinpete: "Blackcoin definitely has what it takes to be competitive in today's market. A solid development team combined with a focus on real-world adoption will give us a bright future."
05:45:13 Vexual: yarr
05:45:22 bitcoinpete: "I don't necessarily disagree with the message, and I think advertising there a great idea. However, we should absolutely not stoop to coin wars type of posts. Blackcoin can succeed along with LTC."
05:45:27 bitcoinpete: don't stoop!
05:46:00 bitcoinpete: "My point is simply that honey attracts more flies than vinegar and we don't need to attack other coins or promote negativity. It turns people off."
05:46:18 bitcoinpete: that dale carnegie...
05:46:47 mircea_popescu: bellend eh ?
05:47:25 mircea_popescu: wtf is blackcoin in the first place.
05:47:35 Vexual: not atc\
05:48:30 mircea_popescu: that's a point.
05:48:59 bitcoinpete: ya… bellend… not even "m'lad"
05:49:48 bitcoinpete: there they be
05:49:59 bitcoinpete: in all dat glory
05:50:17 mircea_popescu: justusranvier you know if you made a point of cutting out tired cliches such as "By now everyone has heard of" your writing'd benefit immensely.
05:50:36 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Fucking hashpower << this.
05:51:42 mircea_popescu: "The origins of modern currencies started with gold and other precious metals." modern has an actual meaning. modern currencies start with the paper receipts used in england and then spread all over. premodern money starts with bronze and shells.
05:52:18 Vexual: bronzing up is still a thing
05:52:32 mircea_popescu: "Over time, as finance and commerce became more sophisticated, the concept of a unit of account emerge and gold generally became the default unit. Much has been written regarding why gold fell into this role, but for our purposes here it?s sufficient to note that it did." << seriously ?! what is this, insult the reader's intelligence club ?
05:53:32 Vexual: ;;ud bronzing up
05:54:05 mircea_popescu: that thing needs a complete re-write
05:55:38 mircea_popescu: also in the news, cointelegraph needs a bubble level
05:56:36 bitcoinpete: that yellow tie does wonders to obscure the gender of its bearer
05:57:00 bitcoinpete: sorta reminds me of the italian model cum nun
05:57:39 bitcoinpete: in the "well that's unexpected" way
05:58:25 mircea_popescu: not like there's any women in these solid teams anyway
05:59:08 bitcoinpete: despite their "fairly distributed" motto
05:59:39 bitcoinpete: i bet you their "community bounties" aren't all they're cracked up to be either
06:00:10 bitcoinpete: Cosmos: I'm antimalicious, & brilliant, & responsible, that's why donating to me is so constructive << i want to sense sarcasm but i'm just not seeing it
06:00:40 bitcoinpete: o there it is
06:00:55 bitcoinpete: subtle
06:02:09 mircea_popescu: "They are beyond question the loveliest of all their sex...In the United States, of course, where natural selection has been going on, as elsewhere, and where, much more than elsewhere, that has been a great variety to choose from. The eventual American woman will be even more beautiful than the woman of to-day. Her claims to that distinction will result from a fine combination of the best points of all those many race
06:02:10 mircea_popescu: s which have helped to make our population."
06:02:26 mircea_popescu: someone actually believed that us born womenz were going to be teh prettiest, a century ago.
06:03:27 bitcoinpete: never saw walmarters coming...
06:04:21 mircea_popescu: beauty does not coexist with convenience.
06:04:31 mircea_popescu: only the knuth and starvation makes beautiful girls.
06:05:14 mircea_popescu: apparently it's spelled knout
06:05:58 bitcoinpete: ;;google knout
06:06:15 bitcoinpete: myeah
06:07:26 mircea_popescu: flogger and famine. there, it even alliterates.
06:08:43 bitcoinpete: starve and strap too
06:10:34 Vexual: hmmmmmmmm
06:22:44 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: never trust a baby boom, for the baby boomers are almost always the end of things. << added to the growing list
06:30:39 bitcoinpete: decimation: 'phones' were varied and interesting and converge to iphone shitbox << following the leader instead of trying new shit like this is guaranteed to screw over the entire industry
06:30:53 bitcoinpete: just end up racing to the bottom on cost and process efficiency
06:42:12 bitcoinpete: and logged up and... ready for bed. golf in the morning!
06:50:25 mircea_popescu: nighty dear world.
07:07:22 punkman1: morning guv'nor
07:10:43 Vexual: morm'm got that sans flash?
07:14:20 punkman1: try this https://ec-media.soundcloud.com/nOGV3YdxVaIA.128.mp3?f10880d39085a94a0418a7ef69b03d522cd6dfee9399eeb9a522019f6bfabf3fa1507fb8f4c1c7664b20f98a253a4cf99c459385527def42fa82ef5f49968df33e2860fbc6&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJNIGGLK7XA7YZSNQ&Expires=1403421391&Signature=iHJ%2FXd9SWVqXYX%2FhuSBLM8ly0B0%3D
07:14:32 Vexual: yeah i got it, thanks
07:15:47 punkman1: makes me think of how I got no idea what some song is saying until I read the lyrics
07:16:10 Vexual: allow me
07:22:28 Vexual: kennilworth on da mic
07:23:15 Vexual: thanks for the landcruisers
07:26:00 punkman1: hello, this is dog
07:38:51 punkman1: ;;rate muXne 1 #b-a dj
07:39:19 Vexual: ;;rate pynkman1 1 sexy wit da curses
07:39:43 Vexual: ;;rate punkman1 sexy wit da curses
07:40:04 Vexual: ;;rate punkman 1 sexy with curses
07:43:04 Vexual: wait
07:43:11 Vexual: are you punkman?
07:43:34 Vexual: yes
07:43:41 Vexual: take it back to the shack
08:05:43 Vexual: hehe
08:13:52 Vexual: as the sun comes up over latvia
08:22:19 benkay: <Vexual> not atc\ // i can't tell if this is the real Vexual or if his nick's been suborned by the most clever team to date
08:25:09 benkay: <mircea_popescu> someone actually believed that us born womenz were going to be teh prettiest, a century ago. // there are some gems. some.
08:40:01 benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2014&bots=true#728328 // i take it back this is clearly our own dear Vexual
08:42:15 benkay: sexpot
10:20:59 muXne: I forgot how to do it
10:21:25 Vexual: like dat?
10:22:19 Vexual: punkman u like lyrics?
10:58:38 Vexual: BLEND IT
11:35:29 Vexual: deniro is not a thing
11:40:22 Vexual: how goes the estonian tailors?
11:54:20 fluffypony: Vexual: not there yet - I fly from here (Johannesburg) tomorrow night
11:56:17 Vexual: i tried to go to hong kong
11:56:58 Vexual: demeanour fine famability too high
11:58:41 Vexual: i wont mentio the airline;i'm xhanging
12:04:42 Vexual: fine as in accepable
12:14:01 Azelphur: mthreat: I hear you want logs? I have Apr 11 2012 onwards
12:43:31 Vexual: sup TAT
12:43:35 ThickAsThieves: sup
12:43:51 Vexual: to adventure, and beyond
12:44:10 ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu > dogecoin mmporg in the style of Eve: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=269740803
12:44:16 Vexual: how many kid would wanna be you??
12:44:28 ThickAsThieves: kids don't even know about me
12:44:36 ThickAsThieves: it's how you stay cool
12:44:43 fluffypony: you're so hipster
12:44:46 Vexual: kids pick up on shit
12:45:18 fluffypony: werd
12:49:35 ThickAsThieves: flashback! http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/banana1015.com/files/2012/07/gngft.jpg
12:50:40 ThickAsThieves: intersting, i didnt know steam sold non-games, they also have the greenlight program for non-games too http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=765§ion=software
12:51:14 ThickAsThieves: mostly software you might use to make games...
12:52:22 ThickAsThieves: vexual, gimme a good song, nothing dubstep or redneck
12:52:33 Vexual: wait
12:53:18 ThickAsThieves: hehe
12:53:38 Vexual: lofi
12:55:45 ThickAsThieves: it's weird to have such a rock song with no band in the video
12:56:14 ThickAsThieves: she's all pretending to be Aretha Franklin when she should be Joan Jetting
12:56:23 Vexual: the band is tied to the radiator back at he hotel
12:56:41 ThickAsThieves: i wonder how much coke she did that night
12:56:57 ThickAsThieves: she looks pretty drunk
12:57:18 Vexual: yeah i think shes on nubbins herbs
12:58:49 ThickAsThieves: this guy is drunk too "Yea, these are nice. I want the gold one but I will probably wait since bitcoins are way undervalued and gold is somewhat over valued in relation."
12:59:30 ThickAsThieves: The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
13:00:02 Vexual: yeah ppYgrdJ0pWk
13:00:35 ThickAsThieves: I have 7 reddit karma!
13:01:10 xmj: I have 20!
13:01:22 xmj: My bad. 13.
13:01:33 Vexual: how to reddit?
13:01:40 ThickAsThieves: it's hard getting karma without agreeing with and pumping everything
13:01:53 xmj: ThickAsThieves: just post interesting links.
13:02:09 ThickAsThieves: for varying values of interesting...
13:04:57 xmj: well du
13:04:58 xmj: h
13:05:09 Vexual: pWhj4sVeVS0
13:05:48 Vexual: no?
13:06:16 ThickAsThieves: i dont speak that language
13:06:38 Vexual: pWhj4sVeVD0
13:06:40 xmj: Vexual: posted his root password into irc. let's hack him. his ip is 127.0.0.1
13:09:57 Vexual: 10 tons of honey pot for fools xjm
13:10:32 xmj: Vexual: apologies. i'm mildly bored.
13:10:39 Vexual: comment things on your way past
13:11:04 Vexual: too late for that or you work in the garden
13:15:14 Vexual: ill gibe you a tip var is called vex
13:15:51 Vexual: but your fail will cascade to fertiliser
13:16:15 Vexual: mext years limes if you care
13:17:45 mircea_popescu: lol hi there
13:17:59 Vexual: PBCJWJXeFzk
13:18:09 Vexual: hey
13:18:58 ThickAsThieves: i wonder if vexual could pass a turing test
13:20:00 Vexual: ;;rate mircrea_popescu 1 sexy
13:20:14 Vexual: +d
13:21:45 Vexual: TAT o can't chess
13:22:14 Vexual: or see the kb
13:23:00 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves probably. turing test mostly verifies predictability.
13:23:21 Vexual: well thats a fail, bring it
13:27:06 ThickAsThieves: it's interesting learning the signs of deception in stock TA articles, charts, etc, to try to influence the market to buy at tops, sell at bottoms
13:27:22 ThickAsThieves: you pretty much cant trust shit
13:28:00 Vexual: tat you know more about me than i do
13:28:01 mircea_popescu: exactly.
13:28:32 ThickAsThieves: i thought it'd be an article saying NFLX is going down
13:28:40 ThickAsThieves: nope!
13:28:58 ThickAsThieves: it just double-topped and she says buy!
13:29:48 Vexual: i never knew netflix was tradable
13:29:49 mircea_popescu: you have to understand how propaganda works.
13:29:56 ThickAsThieves: i wonder how these things go IRL, like does her boss say "Please write a bullish NFLX article"
13:30:11 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as english language free press.
13:30:44 mircea_popescu: no, generally it's not. goebbels didn't go "please write me a bullshit anti-jew speech again"
13:31:04 Vexual: meanwhile australia is rocking private trackers and not caring
13:34:35 Vexual: nrst belive im writing the bitcoin tax law too
13:34:43 ThickAsThieves: "Bitreserve’s tagline is ‘the end of bitcoin volatility’. "
13:35:56 mircea_popescu: what's bitreserve lol
13:36:15 Vexual: ^
13:36:28 mircea_popescu: o the cnet guy
13:36:29 mircea_popescu: ya ya.
13:37:03 mircea_popescu: read the guy's personal history sometime btw. it's quite instructive.
13:37:13 mircea_popescu: patron saint of all neobees.
13:37:33 Vexual: h,h,how to be cool?
13:37:45 ThickAsThieves: cnet never really seemed interesting to me
13:38:37 mircea_popescu: well basically guy sold out for about half a bn (back when us dollars were still worth something)
13:38:49 mircea_popescu: then went on a spending spree, which left him bankrupt last year.
13:39:04 ThickAsThieves: perfect contender for a bitcoin jesushood then
13:39:08 mircea_popescu: now he thinks himself a bitcoin expert, without having spent his year humbly reading here.
13:39:16 mircea_popescu: right. this can only end in tears.
13:39:32 mircea_popescu: "Bitreserve is Minor?s way to address the problems and opportunities he sees with Bitcoin. He says most people will never be comfortable holding the volatile digital currency"
13:39:41 ThickAsThieves: it irks me that bigger media now calls Ver Bitcoin Jesus
13:39:48 mircea_popescu: i mean think about it. so many sorts of wrong in so little space...
13:39:55 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves why ?
13:39:57 ThickAsThieves: too much irony for me
13:40:42 ThickAsThieves: i guess i need to stop caring about idiots that trust the media
13:40:48 mircea_popescu: i'll tell you, it's your emotional investment in said media, and more generally the notion that the whole establishment is a positive thing "taken together" that irks you.
13:41:08 mircea_popescu: it's an evil empire, chiefly because it's made by stupid people to promote wrongness and error.
13:42:51 ThickAsThieves: i guess itll at least yield drama fuel
13:43:39 mircea_popescu: dubious. who cares about ver now that he's poor ?
13:43:56 ThickAsThieves: well the media will be happy to report his failures
13:44:15 ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Jesus Crucified
13:44:25 mircea_popescu: im wondering if they have a pedo story in the drawer about him too. i wasn't able to find one.
13:44:45 ThickAsThieves: nah he has a real undertone of lack of confidence
13:44:51 ThickAsThieves: probly has micropenis or something
13:45:11 Vexual: fuck i spilled my shisky then
13:45:14 ThickAsThieves: i guess those are probly higher % pedos...
13:47:17 bitcoinpete: ;;bc,stats
13:47:51 bitcoinpete: 129 ph...
13:47:51 ThickAsThieves: wow
13:48:14 ThickAsThieves: i guess ASICMINER is delivering
13:48:16 Vexual: ph is so 2014
13:48:24 ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty: 16,947,623,526 (+25.89%)
13:48:42 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: knc too
13:49:05 mircea_popescu: and to cap the previous discussion : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Beckwith_James_Carroll_Portrait_of_Evelyn_Nesbitt.jpg
13:49:09 mircea_popescu: woman is 16 and a half.
13:49:20 mircea_popescu: o damn.
13:49:34 ThickAsThieves: just got interesting
13:49:36 Vexual: recent pic?
13:49:40 mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
13:49:48 mircea_popescu: Vexual not more than coffee.
13:51:25 xmj: how fast is the rate of change?
13:51:44 Vexual: variable
13:52:01 xmj: approximately, per week
13:52:39 Vexual: difficulty? its a thing unto itself
13:52:57 Vexual: miners of ol' say price drives mining
13:53:06 Vexual: i say bitcoin is bunta
13:53:13 Vexual: ;;ud bunta
13:53:23 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: "On June 5th Friedcat's update mentioned the close to 60PH that was finishing up production. When asked how long that was from an inventory standpoint, he indicated 1 to 1.5 months from that day to sell everything plus the fiat to BTC conversion. 1.5 months from June 5th puts us around July 20th, a solid month from now."
13:53:29 ThickAsThieves: apparently it's pretty hard to make a bitbet that difficulty can't satisfy
13:53:30 bitcoinpete: from forumz
13:53:44 Vexual: bitbet gets scary close to diff
13:53:50 Vexual: months out
13:54:24 kakobrekla: <Vexual> bitbet gets scary close to diff < take an unimaginable number and it will end up scary close.
13:54:50 mircea_popescu: yup.
13:54:52 mircea_popescu: exactly.
13:54:58 ThickAsThieves: punkman should do another datamine: What if you bet .1 btc on Yes for all bets including "difficulty" and No for all others
13:55:20 ThickAsThieves: probly $1m
13:55:24 ThickAsThieves: hehe
13:55:37 mircea_popescu: lol
13:55:47 kakobrekla: nah, he just makes to make a bet that over next N bets the outcome will be positive
13:55:50 kakobrekla: and bet on that.
13:56:04 mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny, all these wanna-bes and have-beens trying to get involved into bitcoin with dysfunctional, nonsensical business models
13:56:25 mircea_popescu: when all they'd really need would be to forget all the wallets and whatnot and just you know, bet yes on this and no onthat
13:58:36 xmj: mircea_popescu: like those hedgefunds that put up bitcoin funds?
13:59:10 Vexual: everything is all
14:00:29 ThickAsThieves: “Cybercriminals acting in late 2013 installed a malicious computer program on the servers of a large hedge fund, crippling its high-speed trading strategy and sending information about its trades to unknown offsite computers.”
14:00:39 mircea_popescu: lol
14:00:44 Vexual: >>low speed
14:00:47 mircea_popescu: there you go asciilifeform
14:00:49 ThickAsThieves: Because of this systemic risk, the SEC recently announced it “will be conducting examinations of more than 50 registered broker-dealers and registered investment advisers, focusing on areas related to cybersecurity.”
14:00:53 mircea_popescu: and diametric. naggum was wrong.
14:01:03 ThickAsThieves: SEC gonna need a bigger boat
14:01:10 mircea_popescu: people doing "navy manuals" and whatever the fuck use decent software stacks for a limited time only.
14:01:11 Vexual: lol
14:01:22 mircea_popescu: in general, once corruption becomes fashionable, holdouts last ageneration or less.
14:02:33 mircea_popescu: and obviously, there's no prize for the people that ran safe stacks. there's a prize for those who didn't, who now get to a) bundle a lot of unrelated responmsibility and blame it on this known cause and b) ask for more money.
14:03:20 mircea_popescu: sort-of like the teenage slut born to wealth that skips a lot of school, and gets herself knocked up. not only is she getting some candy to "compensate" her for the abortion, but she also gets to blame her cocaine habit on the bad boy that "seduced" her.
14:04:23 mircea_popescu: in this sense, you don't want either democracy or strong government, because neither democracy nor strong government are capable of acting differently from the weak spirited but rich parent of an estranged daughter.
14:05:43 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: spot on analogy
14:06:02 bitcoinpete: "According to the analogy theory, it’s because making analogies requires thinking across traditional mental categories. In fact, some cognitive scientists have proposed that the farther the analogy—that is, the farther apart the previous experience and new situation—the more likely it will lead to a radically new idea." << hocus "science" but a point
14:06:29 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete there is something to the afieldness theory i think.
14:06:59 mircea_popescu: i certainly use a lot of sex analogies in work fields specifically because people [english speakers] so deliberately compartimentalise the two
14:07:17 mircea_popescu: it's a process much akin to inclusive franchise - more likely to yield better ballot results.
14:08:06 bitcoinpete: it's definitely hard for native english speakers to come up with our own sex analogies
14:08:28 bitcoinpete: because of how compartmentalized all such notions are
14:08:38 mircea_popescu: nude workday ftw.
14:08:50 Vexual: i win
14:09:09 bitcoinpete: we understand them, just generate them with difficulty
14:09:19 bitcoinpete: i really shouldn't say "we"
14:09:27 mircea_popescu: yeah.
14:09:33 bitcoinpete: eh it's a skill to be worked on
14:09:35 mircea_popescu: english jesus pete :D
14:10:00 bitcoinpete: lol pete is already one of those bible doods
14:10:38 bitcoinpete: i've been using a lot more analogies in irl conversation since hanging out here
14:10:48 bitcoinpete: with pretty exceptional results
14:11:07 mircea_popescu: watch out, you'rte gonna start picking up women and whatnot
14:11:23 bitcoinpete: you shoulda seen me at the club on friday night
14:11:26 bitcoinpete: lol
14:11:45 bitcoinpete: wife was in las vegas for a friend's birthday
14:11:45 mircea_popescu: (yes, it is my considered opinion that the one sine qua non condition for successful flirting is the device of analogy. anything else people insist upon, such as looking good, being funny, having money or w/e is piss)
14:12:13 bitcoinpete: analogies tie in to "being funny"
14:12:18 bitcoinpete: or they can
14:12:37 mircea_popescu: woman may enjoy to laugh, but proper analogy brings this innocent sense of wonder forth
14:12:47 mircea_popescu: which is how people fuck anyway.
14:13:03 bitcoinpete: at the club i ran into some classmates from highschool. the looks on their faces were pretty golden
14:13:10 mircea_popescu: mjr_: what a treasure trove of fun memories << werd.
14:14:03 bitcoinpete: so people fuck by analogy…
14:14:20 Vexual: carvel
14:14:34 Vexual: fit fucks
14:15:02 mircea_popescu: lol yeah
14:15:05 Vexual: the undeniable
14:15:26 mircea_popescu: punkman that's a direct (ie, word-for-word, idiom-blind) translation of a highly tensed romanian text.
14:15:32 mircea_popescu: basically, sung google translate.
14:17:41 mircea_popescu: lol that's pretty good.
14:17:58 mircea_popescu: i doubt the guy's confused per se. looks more like, we're lulzy to him.
14:19:02 mircea_popescu: " In the next 2 days 18 indie bands in Shoreditch will name themselves Nazi Weed Pope."
14:19:12 thestringpuller: lol i had a dream about bitcoin-assets
14:19:30 mircea_popescu: benkay: <Vexual> not atc\ // i can't tell if this is the real Vexual or if his nick's been suborned by the most clever team to date << as opposed to what, before ?
14:19:41 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller did it involve vigorous copulative movements ?
14:20:36 mircea_popescu: benkay: there are some gems. some. << well of course. but the guy didn't say "there's going to be A total knockout born somewhere in the US"
14:22:50 bitcoinpete: "It is highly unlikely that most Americans feel the current rise in prices as noise. Inflation has a way of eating into every penny that you have especially when the market is flooded with debt."
14:22:54 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu > dogecoin mmporg in the style of Eve: <<< well... "going to", anyway.
14:23:02 punkman: ThickAsThieves: that gives an extra 0.23 BTC
14:23:09 punkman: mircea_popescu: who wrote it?
14:23:17 mircea_popescu: wrote what ?
14:23:38 mircea_popescu: don't say "it" to me like it means something bish!!! i'm eighteen lines deep
14:23:44 punkman: the tensed romanian text
14:23:49 mircea_popescu: oh. lessee
14:24:20 punkman: your "it" was the Bad Joke song, right?
14:25:16 mircea_popescu: ya
14:26:03 mircea_popescu: so it's mostly Cheloo (Cătălin Ștefan Ion), Ombladon (Bogdan Ionuț Păstacă) thyat write teh text thy play
14:29:18 mircea_popescu: most of the stuff they write is practically chinese (ie, doesn't follow romanian topic conventions (as in most latin languages you can order the words either plainly or meaningfully in romanian), they layer an abundance of cultured reference in between common metaphor (which is a process of significating that goes one step further than the idiom, roughly used to be known in english as conceit back before the us was a t
14:29:18 mircea_popescu: hing))
14:29:28 mircea_popescu: and so trying to translate it mostly yields word salad
14:32:07 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete well she actually does have a point. the shreds of data people are making a big deal about are likely statistical noise.
14:32:19 mircea_popescu: the systemic problems however... nobody wants to talk about those.
14:34:39 mircea_popescu: lol that blondie vid is the tits. by her face you'd think she thinks she's singing inside a huge churning blender.
14:34:44 BingoBoingo: OMG a recipe for word salad, where's dotcoin?
14:34:52 Vexual: wait
14:35:20 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: myeah
14:36:46 bitcoinpete: to use an analogy, fighting over a lifted toilet seat is easier than addressing the broken marriage
14:37:21 mircea_popescu: back when she had only fucked a regimen and snorted a pail
14:39:11 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-fabulous-baker-boys/ << the pfeiff plays something very akin to blondy in that. kickass filmn too
14:43:23 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
14:43:58 bitcoinpete: and i'm off to the course. ciao!
14:44:37 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Haha. Sorta? Well I guess Mike Caldwell came in here and it was a discussion about the USG.
14:44:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: chording keyboard would've worked great on phones << In grad school I became a master of the Blackberry arts. Ran a BES instance with one user (self)
14:45:07 mircea_popescu: so he came ?
14:45:35 thestringpuller: ^- was talking about the dream not RL
14:45:43 thestringpuller: (if that was directed at me)
14:47:22 mircea_popescu: ;;google pemphigus
14:50:38 BingoBoingo: %book
14:50:40 atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160
14:52:21 mircea_popescu: lol that thing was even odds for a while
14:52:21 Vexual: %diff
14:52:23 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 452941.55 in 146 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -36.68
14:52:45 Vexual: fuck 6 months
14:53:22 Vexual: :D
14:55:02 BingoBoingo: %ticker
14:55:03 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 2k High: 235 Low: 222 VWAP: 222
14:56:46 Vexual: mmmm, the other satoshi
14:57:23 Vexual: ican't belive it's not bitcoin
14:59:39 mircea_popescu: "A 1994 study in the United States, which looked at the number of sexual partners in a lifetime, found that 20% of heterosexual men had only one partner, 55% had two to twenty partners, and 25% had more than twenty partners."
15:00:10 xmj: mircea_popescu: des the study list the median?
15:00:11 mircea_popescu: those 5% lied and it's a neat 25-50-25 i bet
15:00:12 Vexual: and mp had a speadsheet
15:00:36 mircea_popescu: Vexual i have no idea how one can go through a lifetime and fuck less than a coupla dozen people.
15:00:49 BingoBoingo: !b 4
15:00:56 mircea_popescu: for that matter, i don't know how one can go through highschool thus.
15:01:09 Vexual: i delete my logs weekly
15:01:15 mircea_popescu: but it'd prolly be pretty sad, rather frustrating and quite boring
15:02:12 Vexual: ;;calc 18/23
15:04:31 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust muXne
15:04:57 ThickAsThieves: fwiw the Bitcoin Foundation still hasn't provided the free membership they noted all Bitcoin2014 conference attendees would be eligible for
15:04:58 BingoBoingo: ;;rate muXne Markov chain
15:05:08 ThickAsThieves: not that i want it
15:05:23 ThickAsThieves: but i had to sign up for it to be allowed at their annual meeting
15:05:31 Vexual: bastards.
15:06:22 mircea_popescu: uh. how would they provide it ?
15:06:46 Vexual: harry potter wand
15:08:06 Vexual: hermione touches you and youre in
15:08:40 ThickAsThieves: by making a account on their website of course
15:08:46 ThickAsThieves: maybe getting added to some email list
15:08:46 mircea_popescu: oh
15:09:02 ThickAsThieves: then i can bitch at them in their forum
15:09:06 mircea_popescu: i didn't get what specifically is involved, other than being on an approved list
15:09:16 ThickAsThieves: it
15:09:17 mircea_popescu: once you're on list X and they say list X got membership that's it, you got it
15:09:18 Vexual: i got a free ticket to hong kong thing, cost me 3bc to be disallowed onto the plane
15:09:21 ThickAsThieves: 's not really anything
15:09:49 ThickAsThieves: i just dont wanna remove the Bitcoin Fundnation thing from my blog :(
15:10:05 mircea_popescu: lol so don't.
15:10:19 Vexual: i want my 3 bc back
15:10:28 ThickAsThieves: This Website is Not a Member
15:10:34 mircea_popescu: btw, do we have any earl of dorset/rochester / pre-"glorious" revolution experts in attendance ?
15:11:32 ThickAsThieves: no, that guy is busy filling out a survey about how many people he's slept with
15:12:02 mircea_popescu: lol wut
15:13:16 ThickAsThieves: sorry, vexual is contagious
15:13:55 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many privately retained vexual interpretation experts exist so far.
15:14:13 Vexual: im not one
15:14:16 mircea_popescu: i aspire that one day the taxpayer should spend more on this than on finding a cure for cancer.
15:14:37 ThickAsThieves: <+Vexual> im not one /// ha! i was gonna day 'does Vexual count?'
15:14:41 Vexual: ive heard my trust clients are happy
15:15:07 mircea_popescu: he can't count, no.
15:15:28 Vexual: i can count
15:15:36 Vexual: for a minute or two
15:16:40 mircea_popescu: http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Texts/mankind.html btw
15:18:31 Vexual: i prefered the one about the crow in the swamp
15:19:16 Vexual: prettuer
15:27:59 mircea_popescu: australian poet ? seriously ?
15:28:02 mircea_popescu: what is this, the future ?
15:30:11 Vexual: yeah they have to have a punchline
15:34:36 BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
15:35:53 mircea_popescu: look kako, jdice put mpif ahead. quick, do something!
15:37:40 kakobrekla: rm -rf wallet.dat
15:37:43 kakobrekla: ops wrong window.
15:39:21 mircea_popescu: lol
15:39:40 mircea_popescu: usagi backups ?
15:40:28 kakobrekla: no, i upgraded to no backup at all
15:40:51 mircea_popescu: ;;google no pok
15:41:29 BingoBoingo: !up cowloon
15:42:56 asciilifeform: does somebody still have log gaps? i've got a nearly continuous ~90MB turd starting at oct. 2012
15:44:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you can cut off the part past 1st of may 2013, mthreat can prolly use more copies for coherence.
15:46:08 BingoBoingo: ;;rate muXne 1 Markov chain
15:46:32 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell moiety What did you do to the Dogers nao???
15:51:10 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
15:51:46 BingoBoingo: What... the... fuck!
15:52:57 mircea_popescu: ikr
15:53:23 mircea_popescu: mthreat ^
15:53:24 asciilifeform: ^ note that my clock is set to american east time
15:53:27 mircea_popescu: danke
15:56:24 BingoBoingo: !up bocobit
15:56:40 *: asciilifeform realizes he did not perform the traditional 'year of lurk'
15:57:02 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think you might predate the tradition
15:57:43 asciilifeform: when did btca materialize anyway ?
15:58:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform roughly speaking april 2012.
15:58:45 mircea_popescu: but i only started using it seriously in august
16:08:24 punkman: "So, how would an eigendemocracy suss out the truth about who trusts whom on which subject? I don’t have a very good answer to this, and am open to suggestions. The best idea so far is to use Facebook for this purpose, but I don’t know exactly how."
16:10:38 mircea_popescu: lmao
16:10:51 mircea_popescu: punkman who's this ?
16:11:01 punkman: dignork's link
16:11:13 mircea_popescu: o yea
16:11:21 mircea_popescu: dignork maybe suggest this chan to the author ?
16:11:44 dignork: I don't know him personally, will throw a comment
16:13:09 mircea_popescu: !up ak__
16:13:20 mircea_popescu: incidentally his definition is both a) quite strong and b) what i actually use
16:13:31 mircea_popescu: the proposition that it's borne by history seems also quite defensible
16:16:26 mircea_popescu: lol funny fit
16:18:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as english language free press. << OMG fraudsters's jig is up!!!
16:18:33 mircea_popescu: it's not teh press omg.
16:29:47 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You sure do use the disclaimers
16:37:20 mircea_popescu: "So for example, even if someone is unfailingly nice to you, if that person is an asshole to everyone else, then the eigenmoses moral code would demand that you return the person?s cooperation with icy defection."
16:37:29 mircea_popescu: lol such bs.
16:37:34 mircea_popescu: the model needs ego.
16:38:56 mthreat: <+Azelphur> mthreat: I hear you want logs? I have Apr 11 2012 onwards << myeah that'd be great
16:39:02 ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: You sure do use the disclaimers /// pretty pro, huh?
16:39:08 thestringpuller: lol everytime MPOE goes below 800000 there is a buying frenzy
16:39:10 mircea_popescu: yeah bro
16:39:27 thestringpuller: 80000 sastoshi*
16:39:27 thestringpuller: ugh
16:39:37 mircea_popescu: Even though the measures acquit themselves well in this particular tournament, it?s admittedly easy to construct scenarios where the prescriptions of eigenjesus and eigenmoses alike violently diverge from most people?s moral intuitions. We?ve already touched on a few such scenarios above (for example, are you really morally obligated to lick the boots of someone who kicks you, just because that person is a saint
16:39:37 mircea_popescu: to everyone other than you?). << dpends if you're aiming to lead or to follow.
16:40:03 mircea_popescu: does anyone feel like putting some work into python simulation ?
16:40:33 thestringpuller: python for simulations...? sound like it'll be running a long time...
16:41:02 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller academics, what do they know.
16:41:10 mircea_popescu: punkman1 what are you doing these days ?
16:45:43 dignork: ThickAsThieves: the guy obviously doesn't know that LBC trades are going through escrow, so he can only damage some ratings. That is, unless buyers are clinical idiots, and release funds first.
16:46:32 mircea_popescu: let's run through this dignork
16:47:15 mircea_popescu: you (D) want to buy LTC. Seller (S) and scammer (X) and escrow (E) are the other players.
16:47:40 mircea_popescu: d contacts x, x contacts s, sets up deal with e, obtains bank acct.
16:47:55 mircea_popescu: x sends bank acct to d, d pays to account, s receives it, s says so to e
16:47:58 mircea_popescu: e releases ltc to x
16:48:01 mircea_popescu: x disappears.
16:48:42 mircea_popescu: escrow deals are easily defeated by triangulation, which is why wot is still a thing where escrow is a noob toy.
16:48:51 mircea_popescu: rather than vice-versa.
16:49:02 dignork: x will have to show his escrow balance, otherwise d won't pay
16:49:19 mircea_popescu: d doesn't know to ask.
16:49:25 mircea_popescu: x has a multitude of ways to fake it, too.
16:50:36 dignork: this is d assumed to be an idiot, or x have non-trivial ability to impersonate e
16:51:07 mircea_popescu: both are true to sufficient degree for the practical needs of the swindle in question.
16:51:52 mircea_popescu: think of it, this is a space where fucktarded "community members" aptly represented by the "bitcoin foundation" and well catered for by the power rangers a) gave half a million btc to trendon shavers and then b) gave half a million btc to silk road
16:52:26 mircea_popescu: thus creating a one million btc headache for me and everyone else seriously comitted to making btc the end of western style government.
16:52:31 dignork: well, so e would be able to fight it in court, but e doesn't want to get into court in the first place, so yeah, it has some merits
16:54:08 benkay: <ThickAsThieves> perfect contender for a bitcoin jesushood then // bitcoin crucifixion
16:54:23 mircea_popescu: dignork for that matter, x can simply convey d's request for proof to e
16:54:27 mircea_popescu: e has to satisfy it.
16:54:32 mircea_popescu: x now can prove to d.
16:55:23 mircea_popescu: now how many "escrows" on the "market" have the sense to include a "Issued for use of X" thus defeating this mitm ?
16:55:37 mircea_popescu: yes, they have to be clinically brain injured, as you say. guess what ? they fucking are
16:55:44 mircea_popescu: and they think this is fine and "a community"
16:55:46 dignork: mircea_popescu: LBC can divert this attack, by making e submit bank details
16:55:49 mircea_popescu: and fuck you for being mean and dispariging them
16:56:32 dignork: then x won't be able to open a trading account with duplicate details
16:56:56 mircea_popescu: maybe
16:57:05 mircea_popescu: that's the most you get here, a sort of up and down and all around maybe.
16:57:34 mircea_popescu: and by now yuour defense has reduced to trying to implement a broken sort of wot anyway
17:00:18 dignork: it is a general weak system problem - anyone knowing my bank account details (any freaking vendor i had business before) can create bad transactions in my name, he might get some money, or not, I'll definitely get some headache
17:01:16 asciilifeform: dignork: whenever you see a field where it seems as if 'cryptography never happened' - answer is always a misallocation of 'skin in game'
17:01:25 asciilifeform: e.g. bank doesn't eat the loss from fraud
17:01:26 benkay: <mircea_popescu> sort-of like the teenage slut born to wealth that skips a lot of school, and gets herself knocked up. not only is she getting some candy to "compensate" her for the abortion, but she also gets to blame her cocaine habit on the bad boy that "seduced" her. // my favorite is the one who gets her own condo and a photo studio to play with and raise her kid in
17:01:52 mircea_popescu: hey, mine too.
17:04:37 mircea_popescu: dignork even if you take the banks out of it, the escrow model is still weak to distributed identity attacks
17:04:57 mircea_popescu: which is a degenerate form taken by sybil attack in the degenerate wot that escrow is
17:05:01 benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete <bitcoinpete> at the club i ran into some classmates from highschool. the looks on their faces were pretty golden // whence the startle?
17:05:48 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, this scam has a history older than steam. entreprising young american fellows used to canvass old world ads for girls looking to marry, then forward the details to old rich american to pay for thepassage
17:05:54 mircea_popescu: and pick the girl up himself.
17:06:09 mircea_popescu: women being a... consumable commodity, which once consumed has very strong incentives to stick
17:06:44 asciilifeform: this scam will never die. every so often around here you hear of somebody caught stealing packages from doorsteps. same idea.
17:07:17 asciilifeform: the thief may or may not have 'insider' tip on who just ordered new laptop, gold bar, etc
17:07:22 mircea_popescu: and in principle, to make the point whole, for all those who wish the "good old days" were to return : they can not. they have been defeated in the field, through being weak to such things.
17:07:45 mircea_popescu: i know for one i would never marry in other way than through making some old fart pay for it thus, were i living in 1814
17:07:53 mircea_popescu: as a matter of principle.
17:09:23 mircea_popescu: and so you can't have any sort of "conservative morality" predicated on anything in the set of ("women not being sluts", "god fearing", "wealth and power by age rather than with and connection")
17:09:36 mircea_popescu: s/with/wit
17:09:41 punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah maybe I can do a simulation
17:10:02 asciilifeform: simulation of what ?
17:10:22 mircea_popescu: punkman i would be very interested to see what happens if someone were to take the guy;'s idea, clean all the crap off it, and then add what's missing.
17:10:47 mircea_popescu: by crap i mean, i suspect the academic used WAY TO FEW bots. use 100s of each type, and do millions of rounds, for goof statistics. similar things.
17:10:58 asciilifeform: ah that
17:11:04 asciilifeform: ;;google social learning tournament
17:11:06 mircea_popescu: and by what's missing, i mean ego. the bots must consider themselves equally important to the whole world.
17:11:20 dignork: mircea_popescu: what kind of data do you want to use, current WoT is tiny
17:11:22 mircea_popescu: which is, if this switch can either kill me or kill the world, throwing it is even odds.
17:11:29 mircea_popescu: dignork random generated.
17:11:30 asciilifeform: (think: axelrod's classic 'prisoner' tournament - 'on steroids')
17:12:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall we discussingsomething similar months ago
17:12:28 mircea_popescu: here we go
17:12:34 mircea_popescu: omfg i love mthreat
17:12:48 asciilifeform: the laland tourney is considerably more interesting imho
17:12:54 punkman: mircea_popescu, I'll give it a look, see how much I grok
17:13:43 mircea_popescu: works.
17:13:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which one was that ?
17:14:04 mircea_popescu: punkman prolly also drop the guy a link to the logs
17:14:09 mircea_popescu: multiple sources can't hurt :p
17:15:19 asciilifeform: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989663
17:15:24 asciilifeform: ^ paper on winners from Tourney 1
17:15:58 mircea_popescu: punkman also, the bs "nice" has to be thrown out, it's meaningless. just count who starts wars.
17:16:49 mircea_popescu: (which approach probably would improve the original paper a lot too, just re-do it but not counting totals, merely counting cases of backstabbing)
17:17:03 mircea_popescu: probably publishable as a paper if you can be bothered to run in that threadmill
17:18:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the part i find the lulziest about these recent academic papers on google page rank is just how utterly broken it is in the field, defeated by hundreds if not thousands of different approaches implemented by scores more different agencies.
17:18:41 asciilifeform: the gods of spam - always win
17:18:54 mircea_popescu: it's almost as if being a scientist consisted entirely of beating the cheap boarding houses and asylums to select out of the pox ridden old hags "the paragons of beauty"
17:19:07 mircea_popescu: that perhaps they were, twenty years prior, back in their flap days
17:20:02 mircea_popescu: (for the esl folk, a flap is an affectionate term for a prepubescent prostitute, also used for uppity, vivacious girls in general, as a testament to the traditional positive social view on tween prostitution)
17:20:03 asciilifeform: seniority-based structure will do that.
17:20:16 mircea_popescu: quite.
17:21:42 asciilifeform: obligatory:
17:21:44 asciilifeform: ;;google tarver decline and fall
17:22:33 asciilifeform: 'You can routinely find lecturers with more than a hundred published papers and you marvel at these paradigms of human creativity. These are people, you think, who are fit to challenge Mozart who wrote a hundred pieces or more of music. And then you get puzzled that, in this modern world, there should be so many Mozarts - almost one for every department. The more prosaic truth emerges when you scan the titles
17:22:33 asciilifeform: of these epics. First, the author rarely appears alone, sharing space with two or three others. Often the collaborators are Ph.D. students who are routinely doing most of the spade work on some low grant in the hope of climbing the greasy pole. Dividing the number of titles by the author's actual contribution probably reduces those hundred papers to twenty-five. Then looking at the titles themselves, you'll see
17:22:35 asciilifeform: that many of the titles bear a striking resemblance to each other. "Adaptive Mesh Analysis" reads one and "An Adaptive Algorithm for Mesh Analysis" reads another. Dividing the total remaining by the average number of repetitions halves the list again. Mozart disappears before your very eyes.'
17:22:49 mircea_popescu: i'm not a professor because i find fucking and beating a few selected girls at a time a lot more effectual than merely speaking to an entire gaggle, who also cling to naive misrepresentations as of their "rights" and "freedoms".
17:23:02 benkay: "For wits are treated just like common whores:
17:23:03 benkay: First they're enjoyed, and then kicked out of doors."
17:23:19 mircea_popescu: how're enjoyin' the logs mr vulpes ?
17:26:11 mircea_popescu: lol derp goes right into how "they've won the scientific debate on climate change"
17:26:19 mircea_popescu: except "deniers make phony think tanks"
17:26:44 asciilifeform: where's this
17:27:00 mircea_popescu: same article above, with the bad model for evaluating bots.
17:27:16 mircea_popescu: by now im quite thankful for this entire global warming scam. it saves me so much reading.
17:27:57 asciilifeform: it's a scam of the desperation/starvation variety. armies of folks conned into burning their lives for 'degree' want to eat.
17:28:16 asciilifeform: want to stave off Butugychag.
17:29:25 mircea_popescu: in a sense their intuition is quite correct : the world is in fact ending.
17:29:49 mircea_popescu: just, their world isn't really THE world. but then again who knows this ever.
17:30:25 benkay: "Adore those shrines of virtue, homage pay,
17:30:25 benkay: And, with the rabble world, their laws obey.
17:30:25 benkay: If such there be, yet grant me this at least: 
17:30:26 benkay: Man differs more from man, than man from beast."
17:30:49 mircea_popescu: goatfuckers had a point all along huh
17:31:10 benkay: log challenge doesn't grow less with the ability to parse it quickly - now all the time saved reading quickly and ignoring the noise goes into reading the things herein linked.
17:31:32 benkay: particularly good reading today, mircea_popescu, ty to yourself and asciilifeform
17:31:37 benkay: and i think punkman
17:32:59 benkay: mmm. search engines.
17:33:13 mircea_popescu: i think the deal is kako gets the praise for the logs,
17:33:16 mircea_popescu: i just get the arguments
17:34:29 benkay: pfhah
17:34:31 mircea_popescu: ha! now this may be a good formalisation of the vc problem. birdy whispers in my ear : "all those guys trying for financial dominance without intellectual dominance ? ya, that'll work..."
17:35:48 mthreat: <mircea_popescu> btw mthreat wouldja be interested in filling in the logs for the first missing year, and generate a drop-in blob kakobrekla can put into his log thing too ? << I got asciilifeform's ba-turd file. But I'm not sure what format kako wants. search.b-a gets all of its info from log.b-a by crawling, since I link to it in the search results.
17:36:41 mircea_popescu: ah
17:36:47 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what format would you want ?
17:37:03 thestringpuller: !mpif
17:37:07 mircea_popescu: mthreat the linking is particularly useful tho. is the crawl inefficient ?
17:37:25 mthreat: mircea_popescu: not really, it's pretty easy.
17:37:29 mircea_popescu: cool
17:37:45 mircea_popescu: past days don't change anyway so you do once a day as it were ?
17:38:10 mthreat: once Iset up the cron, yeah something like that :) Maybe twice a day, whatever.
17:38:50 mircea_popescu: cool.
17:38:52 benkay: this eigenmoses and eigenjesus stuff is interesting in that sir thomas moore follows the eigenjesus strategy
17:39:07 mircea_popescu: benkay how do you figure ? and it's more
17:39:11 mthreat: kako may choose to renumber the ids (used for the <a href> anchors) since he'll be backfilling prior to his current "epoch" day
17:39:29 mthreat: if he does that, i'll just have to recrawl to make the links work
17:40:28 mircea_popescu: can just use negative
17:40:40 mircea_popescu: seems more... apt.
17:41:00 mthreat: heh... like 300 BC
17:41:07 mircea_popescu: yup
17:41:09 mthreat: we'll call it "BMT" before mthreat
17:41:14 mircea_popescu: hahaha
17:41:18 benkay: well i'm probably wrong, but STM doesn't actively work against KR - just refuses to help him in his immoral quest
17:41:26 mircea_popescu: you are not humble and therefore can not be given a ton of power.
17:41:33 benkay: "Imagine, for instance, that 98% of the players are unfailingly nice to each other, but unfailingly cruel to the remaining 2% (who they can recognize, let’s say, by their long noses or darker skin—some trivial feature like that). Meanwhile, the put-upon 2% return the favor by being nice to each other and mean to the 98%. Who, in this scenario, is moral, and who’s immoral? The mathematical verdict of both eigenmoses and eigenjesus is
17:41:33 benkay: unequivocal: the 98% are almost perfectly good, while the 2% are almost perfectly evil. After all, the 98% are nice to almost everyone, while the 2% are mean to those who are nice to almost everyone, and nice only to a tiny minority who are mean to almost everyone. Of course, for much of human history, this is precisely how morality worked, in many people’s minds. But I dare say it’s a result that would make moderns uncomfortable."
17:41:45 mircea_popescu: benkay you read what, the book ? saw the movie ?
17:41:56 benkay: i've only seen the movie.
17:42:02 benkay: i'm referring to the character in the play/movie.
17:42:07 mircea_popescu: yes well. more is a loyal subject of the king.
17:42:13 mircea_popescu: what do you mean "work against" ?
17:42:21 benkay: yeah, good question.
17:42:32 mircea_popescu: what is this revolutionary scandalous licentiousness where a subject may be allowed to pass himself as moral agent equal to his sovereign ?
17:42:33 benkay: i mean i need more coffee and a caning.
17:43:19 benkay: but if the sovereign is demonstrably immoral and god sayeth otherwise?
17:43:55 mircea_popescu: a sovereign can not be demonstrably immoral tho is the problem
17:44:28 benkay: my loyalty is first to god - and then the king.
17:44:29 decimation: benkay: is that quote from the play?
17:44:46 benkay: decimation: my tortured imagination.
17:45:16 mircea_popescu: what quote
17:45:17 asciilifeform: bus driver can demonstrably suck (machine careens of a cliff.) it does not follow that bus should be rebuilt with a steering wheel for each passenger - etc
17:45:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except what is a cliff ?
17:45:47 benkay: divorce ;)
17:45:50 mircea_popescu: lol
17:46:30 mircea_popescu: the situation where the sovereign is a dumbass can not be distinguished from the situation where evil people are prevailing with their treason and schemes upon the monarch by loyal subjects
17:46:45 mircea_popescu: this is yet again the degenerate form of the sybill attack for a degenerate wot
17:46:56 mircea_popescu: there's very little difference between feudalism and escrow
17:47:04 mircea_popescu: in fact, feudalism is a means of working land held in escrow.
17:47:40 mircea_popescu: lemme try for proper english over here.
17:47:51 benkay: it boils down to he who may destroy is the sovereign?
17:47:56 mircea_popescu: loyal subjects can not distinguish the situation where the sovereign is a dumbass from the situation where evil people are prevailing with their treason and schemes.
17:48:40 mircea_popescu: benkay you will note that more only forms a moral judgement once he is no longer subject to his king
17:48:53 mircea_popescu: ie, once they get that schmuck to lie under oath and convict him of treason
17:49:06 decimation: indeed, giving those loyal subjects universal sufferage solves nothing
17:49:10 benkay: that's when he discloses it. it's clear he's had the opinion for a long time.
17:49:23 mircea_popescu: no such thing is clear.
17:49:32 benkay: hm
17:50:08 decimation: that very point was the climax of the movie (man for all seasons)
17:50:28 kakobrekla: mthreat dunno, csv, mysql, what have you got ?
17:50:56 mircea_popescu: decimation nah, the climax was when he shows himself an eunuch
17:51:28 mthreat: kakobrekla: I'll be parsing the log file asciilifeform provided, so I can put it in whatever format, or you can just take the irc log file and parse it on your end.
17:51:35 mircea_popescu: up to the point where he rebuffs roper you may entertain the notion more is a whole man. but after he admits he will grant the other's safety for his own safety's sake you know he's not.
17:51:46 mircea_popescu: mthreat ever got mine ?
17:51:50 mthreat: belgium beats russia 1-0
17:52:04 mthreat: mircea_popescu: yeah but asciilifeform's overlaps
17:52:17 mircea_popescu: mine starts earlier im pretty sure ? or not ?
17:52:27 kakobrekla: my logs are all fucked up i dun wanna parse that.
17:52:31 mircea_popescu: ideally this should be done once and cover the whole shjebang
17:52:35 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ship them to him ?
17:52:37 mthreat: yours only had march/april 2013 I think
17:52:48 mircea_popescu: 2012. look again.
17:52:53 kakobrekla: but if theres a coherent version out there i can parse it
17:53:08 mircea_popescu: and also ever got Azelphur's version ?
17:53:15 mthreat: mircea_popescu: not yet
17:53:16 kakobrekla: my logs are more work than worth
17:53:24 mircea_popescu: kako a ok
17:53:55 mthreat: kakobrekla: also you'll have to figure out how to number entries before your current entry #1 (April 26, 2013)
17:54:04 kakobrekla: into negative ofc
17:54:58 mircea_popescu: here's an interesting if unrelated point : what characteristic of classical english theatre, cca 1600s, was shared by both classical french and italian, but not ever since ? so that 99.x% of all good plays, all good actors and all good performances have this one thing in common, that's not been seen again ?
17:55:16 mircea_popescu: (and the same holds for opera)
17:56:33 decimation: exquisite set-making?
17:56:42 mircea_popescu: mnope
17:57:34 decimation: well, I don't have french or italian, but Shakspeare's plays were ... poetry
17:57:47 mircea_popescu: turns out, it's that they were all produced for a small audience of the same people.
17:58:03 mircea_popescu: consequently the producers were forced to iterate a lot and fail fast
17:58:16 mircea_popescu: and the audience knew the craft better than any debutante.
17:58:43 mircea_popescu: such are the blessings of closed society : that art may flourish. democracy and social mobility allows for no such thing.
18:00:04 decimation: Thomas Carlyle on the wisdom of crowds: "Your ship cannot double Cape Horn by its excellent plans of voting. The ship may vote this and that, above decks and below, in the most harmonious exquisitely constitutional manner: the ship, to get round Cape Horn, will find a set of conditions already voted for, and fixed with adamantine rigour by the ancient Elemental Powers, who are entirely careless how you vote." http://books.google.com/
18:00:07 decimation: books?id=5OsNAQAAMAAJ
18:01:28 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of the inept scientists of today realise just how amusing their global warming pretenses are
18:01:49 mircea_popescu: "lo and behold, we should be affraid that democracy is now in peril of falling out of the box and revoting cape horn"
18:02:27 decimation: the Patagonian cliffs care not for word-smithing and spinning
18:02:34 benkay: i've always thought it a rather bad idea to be burning everything at hand, just on the principle that i don't want to be breathing crap all the time.
18:02:56 mthreat: mircea_popescu: ok once I get Azelphur's, i'll turn them all into a mysql dump and send it to kakobrekla. Then once kako gets them on log.b-a, i'll just crawl-backfill.
18:03:30 mircea_popescu: benkay problem is that approach contradicts the "world peace" approach. not burn anytihng at hand but clothe and feed anyone at hand ?
18:03:31 decimation: one can simultaneously believe global warming is a scam and also consider the coal plant down the street to be ruinous
18:03:38 mircea_popescu: would you rather have soot or shit ?
18:04:01 decimation: plutonium for me
18:04:03 mircea_popescu: mthreat seems reasonable. were yopu able to find my 2012 bits or did i accidentally only send you one file of two ?
18:04:39 mircea_popescu: decimation no no, "we should tax everything and put the money into '''research'''"
18:04:57 mircea_popescu: only THAT is the correct way to solve all the world's p[roblems
18:05:37 mircea_popescu: in other words, two mice disagreed once on how to split a chunk of cheese they had found. so the cat ate the cheese, and the mice.
18:05:55 decimation: actually, at least one of the mice was probably on the cat's side
18:06:10 decimation: after all, it's better to have no humans at all than to have kulaks etc
18:06:12 mircea_popescu: yes. one of the mice was oi the cat's left side
18:06:15 mircea_popescu: while the other in the right
18:06:16 mthreat: mircea_popescu: yah you were correct. But as you said, your log has gaps, so hopefully Azelphur's logs are more complete.
18:06:24 mircea_popescu: hopefully ya
18:07:13 mircea_popescu: to be a modest chap, the logs kinda exist because i had this irresponsible attitude where i'd only log while awake, and so things got lost.
18:07:36 mircea_popescu: let it not be said that irresponsible laziness has not made nice things
18:08:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is one of those weirdos who actually turns his computer on and off ?!
18:08:58 mircea_popescu: yea
18:09:28 decimation: well, one can be certain of its state when power is not applied
18:09:35 mircea_popescu: ^
18:09:43 decimation: save wake-on-lan nastiness
18:09:50 mircea_popescu: no such thing
18:10:02 asciilifeform: someone actually uses wake on lan !?!
18:10:14 decimation: well, impi, remote access, all the same kind of thing
18:10:36 asciilifeform: who the hell has impi on a 'human' box ?
18:10:55 decimation: I considered buying a server with that feature so I could remotely access it without a monitor
18:11:13 mircea_popescu: Instituto Mexicano de la Propiedad Industrial. Registre su marca hoy.
18:11:27 decimation: but yeah, not on a workstation
18:12:12 decimation: I'm glad I didn't in retrospect - was gonna buy a supermicro - before, I could pretend it was secure, now we know otherwise
18:12:43 asciilifeform: i never understood the popularity of the crud. an ip-kvm is what, a few hundy? why attach proprietary strange to your front bus?
18:13:08 decimation: well, to me the major attraction beside the ip-kvm is the power cycle feature
18:13:20 decimation: but that can be had for even less money honestly
18:13:26 asciilifeform: the high-end kvm have power relays
18:14:09 decimation: interestingly, old dell RAC cards had a feature where you could actually "view" the monitor over ssh
18:14:31 asciilifeform: is ipmi one of those 'may as well hang for a sheep' affairs, where folks use intel cpu, etc and know they're already owned anyway
18:14:46 asciilifeform: e.g. whore with aids might as well contract syphilis
18:15:11 decimation: yeah you are right ascii, but you do realize that nearly all public and private entities in the US fall into that category
18:16:44 decimation: here's how the SEC put it: http://investor.gov/news-alerts/investor-alerts/investor-alert-bitcoin-other-virtual-currency-related-investments
18:16:52 decimation: "Not insured. While securities accounts at U.S. brokerage firms are often insured by the Securities Investor Protection Corporation (SIPC) and bank accounts at U.S. banks are often insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), bitcoins held in a digital wallet or Bitcoin exchange currently do not have similar protections."
18:17:35 decimation: why would you want to live outside the benevolent "protection" of USG?
18:18:46 decimation: honestly that "alert" is a pretty good pitch for Bitcoin
18:22:45 thestringpuller: how would you even insure bitcoins and who would insure them?
18:22:56 thestringpuller: only MP has the capital to actually insure anyone...
18:23:04 thestringpuller: (insure anyone worht insuring)
18:23:47 mircea_popescu: nobody can insure bitcoin in the sipc/fdic sense, because nobody can print them.
18:24:05 mircea_popescu: that type of insurance is typical manufacturer insurance, "that the product be free of defects or replaced"
18:24:38 thestringpuller: what about the sense of car insurance?
18:24:50 mircea_popescu: and so in this sense, it's not that bitcoin isn't insured in that way. it's moreover that bank deposits etc aren't, and the continuance of the fraudulent pretense to the contrary promulgated by various usg agencies among which the sec above strictly depends on it not being needed.
18:25:40 thestringpuller: wow
18:25:42 thestringpuller: profound...
18:25:56 thestringpuller: (cause it's true)
18:31:07 decimation: mircea_popescu: Indeed, which is why this "alert" is so amusing. "Seizing or freezing bitcoins. Law enforcement officials may have difficulty seizing or freezing illicit proceeds held in bitcoins. Bitcoin wallets are encrypted and unlike money held in a bank or brokerage account, bitcoins may not be held by a third-party custodian."
18:31:25 decimation: Don't use Bitcoin because we can't take it away from you, at our option
18:31:32 mircea_popescu: lol
18:32:03 mircea_popescu: but that's exactly the concept. my slavegirl might not want to visit you in a room you can lock at your option.
18:33:09 decimation: so to be clear, it used to be the case that in order for someone to seize "your" money, they had to show up at your house and take your physical coins
18:33:33 mircea_popescu: !up nerdfiles
18:34:09 mircea_popescu: well yes, but this was before a time people expected the king pick up their apothecary bill.
18:37:59 decimation: lol Carlyle has the same "non-persons" theory: "If the unfathomable Universe has decided to reject Human Beavers pretending to be Men; and will abolish, pretty rapidly perhaps, in hideous mud-deluges, their 'markets' and them, unless they think of it??In that case it were better to think of it: and the Democracies and Universal Suffrages, I can observe, will require to modify themselves a good deal!"
18:39:52 thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
18:41:22 mircea_popescu: decimation and so they have modified themselves. no man living with carlyle would regard the average existence of today's westerner as anything but the most abject imprisonment
18:41:34 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust casascius
18:41:43 mircea_popescu: so... they've modified themselves, to take more cock with less fretting.
19:11:46 moiety: ;; later tell BingoBoingo I simply said "fuck you" to someone and the whole place started convulsing with butthurt.. and then made it worse by demonstrating remorse lvl : -40
19:13:26 mircea_popescu: wait wut
19:13:43 moiety: i upset the doge people last night
19:19:51 benkay: <zrobo> cryptsy.com: 1 dogecoin = 56 satoshis. coindesk price $0.0003. 24 hr volume: 310 megadoge
19:26:44 chetty: moiety: don't you know women are not allowed to curse
19:34:46 kakobrekla: ;;later tell vexual log would be better off without your jewtube links.
19:34:56 moiety: chetty: i'm a disgrace i know XD i find it so hard when they are such idiots
19:42:45 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> such are the blessings of closed society : that art may flourish. democracy and social mobility allows for no such thing. //// or a *small* society --- but maybe i'm splitting hairs
19:44:03 FabianB: mircea_popescu: my logs are burried in old backups on disks at a place i'm unlikely to be at in the next 2 to 3 weeks, so unless it's still useful by then i'll keep them there
19:44:31 mircea_popescu: FabianB kk
19:44:53 ThickAsThieves: sweet
19:45:16 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the smaller it gets, the harder it is to say
19:45:30 mircea_popescu: "democracy" as practiced among a hundred that know each other is no democracy anyway
19:46:43 ThickAsThieves: understood, i'm more pointing out that size is a factor, as in, it being closed isn't enough, it also can't be large
19:47:14 ThickAsThieves: i also wonder if age is a factor as well
19:47:29 ThickAsThieves: probably on a curve
19:50:16 chetty: ThickAsThieves,avg life in the time frame was short, if you lived very long you likely had more wisdom (which is why you lived)
19:51:29 ThickAsThieves: i'm more referring to the the dynamics of a closed society in an effort to bring quality/robustness or whatever
19:51:32 chetty: not sure age counts for much anymore
19:51:37 ThickAsThieves: age of the group
19:51:40 ThickAsThieves: not the individual
19:51:52 ThickAsThieves: maybe inextricable
19:53:07 chetty: I think closed is kinda relative tho, more like the semi-permeable membrane
19:54:19 ThickAsThieves: like #b-a
19:56:20 chetty: exactly
20:14:49 ThickAsThieves: !up OneFixt
20:15:14 OneFixt: yup
20:15:23 OneFixt: wait, no
20:15:30 ThickAsThieves: lol
20:15:30 OneFixt: not me, misread
20:15:34 OneFixt: lol
20:15:49 ThickAsThieves: good to know
20:16:35 *: ThickAsThieves kinda misses btc options
20:19:55 ThickAsThieves: coindesk has to articles about people offering bitcoin options, neither mentions mpex
20:25:13 mircea_popescu: well it doesn't offer them anymore
20:25:44 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves can't be large ? hm. the hansa was very large. i believe it can be quite large.
20:30:49 Mats_cd03: i wonder how long it will take for a decent price signal to materialize
20:31:20 mircea_popescu: there's little incentive for it yet.
20:34:10 mircea_popescu: OneFixt you got teh logs ?
20:34:58 OneFixt: which logs?
20:35:04 mircea_popescu: of here.
20:35:12 OneFixt: some, why?
20:35:26 mircea_popescu: ah. well we're trying to make a canonical version of 2012 - april 2013
20:35:36 mircea_popescu: if you got usable stuff dump to mthreat
20:35:42 OneFixt: ah
20:35:54 OneFixt: mine is not at all easy to dump unfortunately
20:36:21 mircea_popescu: kay.
20:36:22 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
20:39:53 FabianB: $traded
21:15:19 Namworld: Apple stock at 100? Was there a split or did it drop a lot? I think it was around 500-800 not long ago.
21:15:33 mthreat: split 7-to-1
21:35:36 mthreat: mircea_popescu: have you managed to find good pizza in this town?
21:36:10 mircea_popescu: mthreat american good pizza or romanian good pizza ?
21:37:12 mthreat: mircea_popescu: what would be considered good in italy or germany. I've never had romanian pizza
21:37:22 mthreat: #1, HAS tomato sauce
21:37:32 mircea_popescu: it's kjinda it's own thing. imo better than italian.
21:37:50 mthreat: here it's mostly bread and cheese
21:37:51 mircea_popescu: anyway, trained girlz, can make it. i care not for the city :D
21:38:13 mthreat: magic
21:38:43 mircea_popescu: but yes, tomatoes, definitely, and mushroom,s and artichoke hearts and anchovies and so on
21:40:48 punkman: I think I should make a special feed for penguin though
21:41:13 mircea_popescu: seems it picks it up jus' fine
21:41:23 punkman: lest there be two dozen recipes posted one day
21:42:51 punkman: did nubbins have a blog, or am I remembering some other sausage-blog
21:43:24 mircea_popescu: nubsy is a contrarian. he doesn't have altcoins, he doesn't have blogs, he goes his own way damneit@!
21:49:33 mthreat: There was this romanian restaurant in Austin. It was called "Dracula".
21:52:20 mircea_popescu: surprisingly.
21:53:29 punkman: "upon the time" ftw
21:53:55 punkman: feeling russian
21:53:56 mircea_popescu: punkman L.D.Landau and E.M.Leifshitz. all the math one could ever want.
21:54:10 mircea_popescu: if it doesn't DO something it's not math anyway.
21:54:18 asciilifeform: punkman: 'All the Mathematics You Missed' (Garrity) if impatient/american
21:54:23 asciilifeform: punkman: otherwise what mircea_popescu said
21:54:56 mircea_popescu: wow someone agrees ?!
21:55:03 mircea_popescu: i thought that's like, my most heretic view.
21:55:12 asciilifeform: the 'content methods & meaning' by dover is a pretty fine encyclopaedic text
21:55:25 asciilifeform: i especially liked the 'obsolete' chapter on mechanical computers
21:55:57 asciilifeform: also ask yourself, which mathematics
21:56:08 punkman: this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Course_of_Theoretical_Physics ?
21:56:20 asciilifeform: l&l is geared to methods of theoretical physics (landau's famous 'minimum' exam)
22:01:08 asciilifeform: punkman: a good refresher text on discrete maths / computability /etc. is hopcroft & ullman
22:01:28 asciilifeform: ^ unfortunately not the edition with the hot chick on the cover
22:01:30 asciilifeform: but full text
22:07:51 punkman: mircea_popescu: probably publishable as a paper if you can be bothered to run in that threadmill << not a big fan of academics, but I can blag it now
22:14:36 thestringpuller: punkman: bitbet.py is dope
22:14:42 thestringpuller: I'll have to see how you did colorization
22:24:43 mircea_popescu: punkman that is a point
22:24:52 mircea_popescu: by now the research paper journals are little more than blogs anyway.
22:26:33 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 5 reasons why losing 10 years' investment in iraq isn't a disaster, 5 reason why higher inflation isn't higher inflation, 5 reasons why the failure of each and every obamapolicy isn't a failure of the left, or of blacks, or of the electoral system, or of the general public,
22:26:52 mircea_popescu: on it goes. 5 reasons why fucking up is okay and starvation isn't imminent.
22:35:25 thestringpuller: 5 conspiracy theories that are actually real
22:35:28 thestringpuller: more at 11
22:44:08 punkman: heh "JOSS defaults to cooperation on the first turn, and thereafter mirrors its partner's previous move, except after its partner cooperates, JOSS defects with some probability to see what it can get away with every once in a while."
23:12:12 decimation: thanks for the book asciilifeform
23:49:56 BingoBoingo: %diff
23:49:58 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 450695.27 in 113 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.00
23:52:56 punkman: BingoBoingo: we need like 220 blocks a day for that bet
23:53:38 BingoBoingo: punkman: Yeah, it's going to be tricky. Wonder how much hash is going to arrive after the diff change
23:54:09 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 3600 / 512
23:55:03 punkman: so we must be doing like 100 a day now?
23:55:36 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 168.75 * .63