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Transcript for 22-06-2014, 1053 lines:

00:00:05 benkay: i don't know that the women *can't* have kids so much as the men aren't interested in being fathers or even men

00:00:22 mircea_popescu: is what i meant.

00:01:35 mircea_popescu: "when you write manuals for naval or air force vessels, you don't use MS Word and hope Microsoft doesn't come out with yet another incompatible disservice pack and/or upgrade, you use CALS and enterprise-wide publishing systems."

00:01:42 mircea_popescu: holy shit what is he on about. what happened to tex.

00:02:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cals is/was a mind-bogglingly pedantic spec from us dod (circa early 80s)

00:02:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with the idea that under no circumstances would the death of one, two, hundred vendors lead to unreadable texts

00:02:51 mircea_popescu: hm

00:02:51 asciilifeform: the result was a mega-backbreaker - like Ada. but it sorta worked.

00:02:55 mircea_popescu: i am ignorant ofsuch matters.

00:03:26 asciilifeform: they could have, in principle, picked tex, but the latter has no hard spec for graphics.

00:04:23 asciilifeform: all of this took place in the long-gone era when usg insisted on full blueprints, chip masks (!) etc. to ensure longevity of a complete design

00:04:23 mircea_popescu: as in tables ?

00:04:27 asciilifeform: as in bitmaps

00:04:34 mircea_popescu: wtf bitmaps

00:04:39 asciilifeform: and vector (e.g. cad)

00:04:41 mircea_popescu: svg ?

00:04:58 asciilifeform: svg is a very recent thing

00:05:13 asciilifeform: remember, this is pre-sgml even

00:05:26 mircea_popescu: oh oh

00:05:38 asciilifeform: us dod realized that computer would remain 'a thing' - wanted hard specced formats.

00:05:49 asciilifeform: one of the last gasps of reason from that institution

00:06:11 asciilifeform: (naggum is known to have worked in ada. hence his familiarity with the matter)

00:07:02 asciilifeform: what computer-based product, on the shelf today, can be guaranteed manufacturable 50 years hence?

00:07:18 asciilifeform: that was the objective. some semblance of guarantee.

00:07:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform flash rom

00:08:25 asciilifeform: funny that you mention roms, because vintage arcade machine enthusiasts go through astounding gymnastics to replicate the behaviour of '80s roms.

00:08:28 mircea_popescu: and to push a point, im pretty sure the mosfets are unchanged

00:08:31 mircea_popescu: since maybe 60s

00:09:06 asciilifeform: if you want an analogue part with known 'curves', you usually have to work at it.

00:09:34 asciilifeform: ask a fellow who's into vintage musical synths

00:09:58 asciilifeform: (or the valve aficionados)

00:10:41 asciilifeform: obligatory:

00:10:42 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl-QMuUQhVM

00:12:28 mircea_popescu: !up cowloon

00:12:44 cowloon: what's that mean

00:12:59 benkay: http://www.cmog.org/artwork/fuck

00:13:15 mircea_popescu: it means you can talk.

00:13:35 cowloon: oh, thanks

00:13:51 cowloon: but, I'm just here to lurk at the moment

00:14:26 mircea_popescu: it'll fade away, don't worry.

00:14:56 benkay: http://www.incandescentsculpture.com/wordpress/teslas-sensitive-brush-bulbs-or-the-invention-of-the-fluorescent-light/

00:16:32 benkay: http://www.incandescentsculpture.com/wordpress/burning-man-2007-and-2008-my-custom-neon-plasma-tubes/

00:18:03 asciilifeform: benkay: my parents had a soviet gizmo that consisted of exactly such a tube, with small tesla coil in the handle (dermatological crackpot medicine) so i got to see/feel mr t's tube on own hide.

00:18:23 asciilifeform: ;;google дарсонваль

00:18:53 *: asciilifeform laughed when, decades hence, saw the same in american sex shops

00:19:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually it's jolting if inserted up the cunt

00:19:28 asciilifeform: i can picture this

00:20:07 asciilifeform: for those who don't own this toy - it is rather like the spark of static one sometimes gets when touching grounded objects in winter time, but - constantly

00:20:11 mircea_popescu: so it has legitimate place in sex shop

00:20:24 mircea_popescu: if not in derma clinic (which is still done btw, high end spas and whatnot)

00:20:47 asciilifeform: zaps, e.g. acne pretty well.

00:20:51 mircea_popescu: " the spark of static one sometimes gets when touching grounded objects in winter time" << he means, when wearing mixed wool and plastic clothing

00:21:06 asciilifeform: or wool slippers

00:21:07 benkay: http://www.remingtonproducts.com/womens/ipl/i-light-pro/i-light-pro-intense-pulsed-light-hair-removal-system.aspx << does this shit work?

00:22:19 benkay: it seems to cook the follicle...

00:22:44 asciilifeform: go find the fellow who'll agree to shave with this.

00:23:06 asciilifeform: (reminds me of the russian ww2 recipe for a quick shave - petrol.)

00:23:09 benkay: test it on a babe...

00:23:23 benkay: dissolves the hair, asciilifeform ?

00:23:28 asciilifeform: negative

00:23:31 asciilifeform: gotta light it.

00:23:31 mircea_popescu: benkay you have no idea how far the female threshold is.

00:23:39 mircea_popescu: they brazilian wax FOR SPORT

00:24:03 benkay: i gotta start waxing for sport

00:24:47 asciilifeform: light coat of high-boiling fuel on skin won't burn the latter - watch a stage magician set own hands on fire, etc

00:24:57 asciilifeform: best done by one skilled in the art.

00:25:11 asciilifeform: ;;google leidenfrost effect

00:25:50 benkay: okay so in this book of historical erotica i was browsing at the party last night in place of the utterly inane conversation of drunks and the unemployable i discovered a print titled 'the barber', where some woman was having her cooch shaved

00:25:56 benkay: this from like 1640 or something

00:26:22 benkay: and while I *know* that nothing is new under the sun, i still learned last night that cuntshaving's been a thing forever.

00:26:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you familiar with this supposed siberian torture technique, give naked victim gasoline and a book of matches and let them be ?

00:26:31 benkay: ;;ticker

00:26:33 mircea_popescu: something like that

00:26:57 mircea_popescu: benkay not forever. i think it was a greek invention.

00:27:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this works on americans. who routinely manage to light themselves up when trying to start backyard fires

00:27:33 mircea_popescu: lol

00:45:59 benkay: that's forever to me ;)

01:23:22 mircea_popescu: !up nerdfiles

02:43:49 mircea_popescu: argentine flan kicks ass

02:54:15 mircea_popescu: !up muxne

02:55:00 mircea_popescu: !up vexual

02:55:01 mircea_popescu: noobs

03:00:56 mircea_popescu: !up vexual

03:01:25 Vexual: hi

03:02:08 mircea_popescu: no soup for you.

03:03:41 Vexual: tell me about it

03:03:49 Vexual: i tried to go to the thing in hong kong

03:04:10 Vexual: calced exactly the whisky to sleep for 8 hours

03:04:17 mircea_popescu: there was this duckling earlier.

03:04:38 Vexual: frindly airport staff think i overcalced

03:05:53 Vexual: duckling?

03:06:39 mircea_popescu: what's your bell come to by the\ way ?

03:07:57 asciilifeform: unrelated to anything (save possible the legal sophistries discussions):

03:07:58 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/EYwLyU1y

03:08:14 asciilifeform: took ages to dig up the english

03:27:17 mircea_popescu: !up kanzure

03:27:57 asciilifeform: ;;ident kanzure

03:28:16 asciilifeform: kanzure: get in wot so i can rate you as known human

03:35:28 kanzure: asciilifeform: oops sorry about that

03:35:44 kanzure: asciilifeform: fixed

03:35:56 kanzure: asciilifeform: btw, i bought a dna synthesizer the other day

03:36:07 asciilifeform: which one

03:36:10 kanzure: ABI 391

03:36:18 asciilifeform: neato

03:36:26 kanzure: hell yeah! a decade of cancer here i come.

03:37:01 kanzure: gonna be hooking up a microfluidic column based on a projector

03:37:29 kanzure: to do 1920x1080 sequences simultaneously

03:40:13 asciilifeform: ;;rate kanzure 1 meat programmer

03:40:17 kanzure: asciilifeform: still trying to figure out how to paint the device,

03:40:23 kanzure: i was thinking painting this over the beige panels: http://ih3.redbubble.net/image.15027782.1633/fc,550x550,asphalt.u1.jpg

03:40:54 asciilifeform: ;;rate kanzure 1 meat programmer

03:44:20 kanzure: also open to suggestions for other graffiti options

03:45:56 mircea_popescu: that domain read redtube at frst

03:46:25 kanzure: might as well

04:05:04 thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats

04:05:05 moiety: whoops well the doge community does not like being told "fuck you".... i'm in the doghouse

04:13:59 Vexual: boingo brain u genius

04:16:46 mthreat: !up mjr_

04:21:21 mthreat: <mircea_popescu> mthreat wouldja be interested in filling in the logs for the first missing year, and generate a drop-in blob kakobrekla can put into his log thing too ? << sure, do you have the logs for the first year?

04:22:50 Vexual: lol

04:22:57 mthreat: <benkay> linespacing's pretty wide but awesome work << i'm shit at CSS; feel free to suggest changes, with css/html code if possible

04:23:44 mircea_popescu: mthreat drop me your email, ill send you what i got.

04:23:48 mircea_popescu: lemme see here

04:24:32 mircea_popescu: Azelphur FabianB mod6 punkman mind sendinmg your early logs to mthreat too ?

04:24:50 mircea_popescu: up until july 2013 if memory serves.

04:25:14 mircea_popescu: may actually.

04:26:06 mthreat: log.b-a currently goes back to 26-4-2013 I believe

04:26:14 mjr_: what a treasure trove of fun memories

04:26:26 mthreat: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2013

04:27:01 mthreat: ^ that is the oldest day, and the first entry has id #1.

05:04:27 Vexual: yo smidge, -1 me for effectiveness

05:04:44 Vexual: :)

05:06:07 benkay: ;;ident Vexual

05:06:22 benkay: is this real life?

05:06:25 Vexual: can i haz job now ben10?

05:06:35 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot muXne

05:07:09 benkay: well if this aint a how d'you do

05:07:37 benkay: i don't hire markov chains, Vexual

05:10:07 benkay: but play some music i might send you a bitcent or two

05:10:07 Vexual: shit got lippy, i deleted it

05:10:25 Vexual: now i forget what you like

05:11:00 benkay: well i enjoyed this a lot today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-QRw9Pl5WI&eml=2014June19/1644059/6011909

05:13:01 benkay: peeeeete

05:13:13 benkay: m'lad

05:13:54 bitcoinpete: lol hey benkay

05:14:06 bitcoinpete: just came across this gem: https://twitter.com/coin_artist/status/480574910515789825

05:17:57 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--WNQEZhtOQ

05:20:27 mircea_popescu: ହିନ୍ଜଡା << this is a word

05:21:02 Apocalyptic: in Sumerian maybe

05:21:15 mircea_popescu: some indian language

05:21:32 Vexual: sanskrit?

05:22:31 moiety: what does it mean?

05:22:41 Vexual: ^

05:23:28 moiety: is it just me that it looks like a row of people to?

05:23:39 moiety: well, heads

05:24:03 mircea_popescu: yeah.

05:24:11 moiety: XD

05:26:34 Vexual: i met a girl that knew sanskrit once

05:26:59 mircea_popescu: mthreat sent to april 27th

05:27:06 mircea_popescu: there are prolly holes in it tho

05:27:38 mthreat: ok

05:28:43 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pigeons hey you got old -assets logs ? 2012 to 2013 ?

05:30:05 mircea_popescu: Aug 10 08:04:15 * patrickharnett (cb4f5ec0@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #bitcoin-assets

05:30:08 mircea_popescu: days of yore heh

05:30:25 mircea_popescu: ;;seen bitfoo

05:34:06 mircea_popescu: ;;seen oneeyed

05:34:38 mircea_popescu: what's jcpham's gay nick these days ?

05:39:30 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, rithm

05:39:36 mircea_popescu: a yes ty.

05:39:53 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell rithm hey you got old -assets logs ? dump em on mthreat

05:40:06 Apocalyptic: yw

05:40:45 bitcoinpete: man the world cup wouldn't be 1/10th as interesting w/o bitbet

05:40:46 moiety: imma get a couple hours sleep, night all :]

05:40:51 bitcoinpete: having a huge amount of fun

05:41:04 bitcoinpete: cheers moiety :)

05:41:11 mircea_popescu: moiety sex weeks to you!

05:41:27 moiety: XD

05:43:37 bitcoinpete: the blackcoin "community" has been driving some traffic to my blog with the litecoin article

05:43:38 bitcoinpete: http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/comments/28nfvs/why_its_over_for_litecoin_this_is_great_for/

05:43:53 bitcoinpete: there are some lulz in the comments

05:44:02 bitcoinpete: "Peter Dushenski is a first class bellend who would attack blackcoin if it was in litecoins position. JUST REMEMBER THAT!"

05:44:11 bitcoinpete: probably the best one there

05:44:47 bitcoinpete: "Blackcoin definitely has what it takes to be competitive in today's market. A solid development team combined with a focus on real-world adoption will give us a bright future."

05:45:13 Vexual: yarr

05:45:22 bitcoinpete: "I don't necessarily disagree with the message, and I think advertising there a great idea. However, we should absolutely not stoop to coin wars type of posts. Blackcoin can succeed along with LTC."

05:45:27 bitcoinpete: don't stoop!

05:46:00 bitcoinpete: "My point is simply that honey attracts more flies than vinegar and we don't need to attack other coins or promote negativity. It turns people off."

05:46:18 bitcoinpete: that dale carnegie...

05:46:47 mircea_popescu: bellend eh ?

05:47:25 mircea_popescu: wtf is blackcoin in the first place.

05:47:35 Vexual: not atc\

05:48:30 mircea_popescu: that's a point.

05:48:59 bitcoinpete: ya… bellend… not even "m'lad"

05:49:36 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/BlackCoinPool/status/480459195855020032

05:49:48 bitcoinpete: there they be

05:49:59 bitcoinpete: in all dat glory

05:50:17 mircea_popescu: justusranvier you know if you made a point of cutting out tired cliches such as "By now everyone has heard of" your writing'd benefit immensely.

05:50:36 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Fucking hashpower << this.

05:51:42 mircea_popescu: "The origins of modern currencies started with gold and other precious metals." modern has an actual meaning. modern currencies start with the paper receipts used in england and then spread all over. premodern money starts with bronze and shells.

05:52:18 Vexual: bronzing up is still a thing

05:52:32 mircea_popescu: "Over time, as finance and commerce became more sophisticated, the concept of a unit of account emerge and gold generally became the default unit. Much has been written regarding why gold fell into this role, but for our purposes here it?s sufficient to note that it did." << seriously ?! what is this, insult the reader's intelligence club ?

05:53:32 Vexual: ;;ud bronzing up

05:54:05 mircea_popescu: that thing needs a complete re-write

05:54:35 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqrvF4qCQAAEmtE.jpg << that's the solid dev team that defvinitely "has what it takes in the market" ?

05:55:38 mircea_popescu: also in the news, cointelegraph needs a bubble level

05:56:36 bitcoinpete: that yellow tie does wonders to obscure the gender of its bearer

05:57:00 bitcoinpete: sorta reminds me of the italian model cum nun

05:57:39 bitcoinpete: in the "well that's unexpected" way

05:58:25 mircea_popescu: not like there's any women in these solid teams anyway

05:59:08 bitcoinpete: despite their "fairly distributed" motto

05:59:39 bitcoinpete: i bet you their "community bounties" aren't all they're cracked up to be either

06:00:10 bitcoinpete: Cosmos: I'm antimalicious, & brilliant, & responsible, that's why donating to me is so constructive << i want to sense sarcasm but i'm just not seeing it

06:00:40 bitcoinpete: o there it is

06:00:55 bitcoinpete: subtle

06:02:09 mircea_popescu: "They are beyond question the loveliest of all their sex...In the United States, of course, where natural selection has been going on, as elsewhere, and where, much more than elsewhere, that has been a great variety to choose from. The eventual American woman will be even more beautiful than the woman of to-day. Her claims to that distinction will result from a fine combination of the best points of all those many race

06:02:10 mircea_popescu: s which have helped to make our population."

06:02:26 mircea_popescu: someone actually believed that us born womenz were going to be teh prettiest, a century ago.

06:03:27 bitcoinpete: never saw walmarters coming...

06:04:21 mircea_popescu: beauty does not coexist with convenience.

06:04:31 mircea_popescu: only the knuth and starvation makes beautiful girls.

06:05:14 mircea_popescu: apparently it's spelled knout

06:05:58 bitcoinpete: ;;google knout

06:06:15 bitcoinpete: myeah

06:06:50 bitcoinpete: googling "knuth" brings up this http://xkcd.com/163/

06:07:26 mircea_popescu: flogger and famine. there, it even alliterates.

06:08:43 bitcoinpete: starve and strap too

06:10:34 Vexual: hmmmmmmmm

06:11:10 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlZD1PJKU_k

06:22:13 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev-PsaQCwoY

06:22:44 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: never trust a baby boom, for the baby boomers are almost always the end of things. << added to the growing list

06:30:39 bitcoinpete: decimation: 'phones' were varied and interesting and converge to iphone shitbox << following the leader instead of trying new shit like this is guaranteed to screw over the entire industry

06:30:53 bitcoinpete: just end up racing to the bottom on cost and process efficiency

06:42:12 bitcoinpete: and logged up and... ready for bed. golf in the morning!

06:50:25 mircea_popescu: nighty dear world.

07:06:46 punkman1: https://soundcloud.com/whyy-the-pulse/an-audio-illusion

07:07:22 punkman1: morning guv'nor

07:10:43 Vexual: morm'm got that sans flash?

07:13:29 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjhsPt_8Gw

07:14:20 punkman1: try this https://ec-media.soundcloud.com/nOGV3YdxVaIA.128.mp3?f10880d39085a94a0418a7ef69b03d522cd6dfee9399eeb9a522019f6bfabf3fa1507fb8f4c1c7664b20f98a253a4cf99c459385527def42fa82ef5f49968df33e2860fbc6&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJNIGGLK7XA7YZSNQ&Expires=1403421391&Signature=iHJ%2FXd9SWVqXYX%2FhuSBLM8ly0B0%3D

07:14:32 Vexual: yeah i got it, thanks

07:15:47 punkman1: makes me think of how I got no idea what some song is saying until I read the lyrics

07:16:10 Vexual: allow me

07:17:36 punkman1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8H2klXyhRs

07:22:28 Vexual: kennilworth on da mic

07:23:15 Vexual: thanks for the landcruisers

07:24:06 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuyS9M8T03A following you home since forever

07:26:00 punkman1: hello, this is dog

07:27:03 punkman1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO-K6yN4hEQ

07:34:06 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgc6CQNI2x8

07:38:51 punkman1: ;;rate muXne 1 #b-a dj

07:39:19 Vexual: ;;rate pynkman1 1 sexy wit da curses

07:39:43 Vexual: ;;rate punkman1 sexy wit da curses

07:40:04 Vexual: ;;rate punkman 1 sexy with curses

07:40:28 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTn0li1q1O0

07:43:04 Vexual: wait

07:43:11 Vexual: are you punkman?

07:43:34 Vexual: yes

07:43:41 Vexual: take it back to the shack

07:48:27 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSzpOUwiLkc

07:58:23 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cQYtAOSFEo

08:05:14 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFtMl-uipA8

08:05:43 Vexual: hehe

08:09:06 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aF9AJm0RFc

08:13:12 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-CpE73o2M

08:13:52 Vexual: as the sun comes up over latvia

08:22:19 benkay: <Vexual> not atc\ // i can't tell if this is the real Vexual or if his nick's been suborned by the most clever team to date

08:25:09 benkay: <mircea_popescu> someone actually believed that us born womenz were going to be teh prettiest, a century ago. // there are some gems. some.

08:27:09 benkay: ;;later tell Vexual <Vexual> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlZD1PJKU_k << never again

08:39:03 benkay: <Vexual> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgc6CQNI2x8 // la cumbia!

08:40:01 benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2014&bots=true#728328 // i take it back this is clearly our own dear Vexual

08:42:12 benkay: <Vexual> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSzpOUwiLkc // i bet one or two of 'em is interested in becoming an actual sexopt

08:42:15 benkay: sexpot

08:44:39 benkay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightcrawlers_(band)

10:20:59 muXne: I forgot how to do it

10:21:25 Vexual: like dat?

10:22:19 Vexual: punkman u like lyrics?

10:24:48 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPkJeziNyI check the date

10:30:28 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMX1sc3eOTE

10:41:35 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9VQye6P8k0

10:47:25 Vexual: moiety:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPd9gpPifuU

10:52:47 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvy5TGLUls8

10:58:38 Vexual: BLEND IT

11:05:40 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLZmI3a-N-A

11:13:17 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ZtyV1kGMY

11:18:01 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xTGrfs5TXM dear reader, your war doesnt exist

11:25:56 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AwXKJoKJz4

11:34:30 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TbW1srpjZc hopper oz you thought deniro was a thing

11:35:29 Vexual: deniro is not a thing

11:35:47 fluffypony: http://thedoghousediaries.com/comics/uncategorized/2014-06-18-db00fab.png

11:40:22 Vexual: how goes the estonian tailors?

11:54:20 fluffypony: Vexual: not there yet - I fly from here (Johannesburg) tomorrow night

11:56:01 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm_CEmybOjc

11:56:17 Vexual: i tried to go to hong kong

11:56:58 Vexual: demeanour fine famability too high

11:58:41 Vexual: i wont mentio the airline;i'm xhanging

11:59:47 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySgOds3bzcc

12:03:32 Vexual: eat a dick kako https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeIJmciN8mo

12:04:42 Vexual: fine as in accepable

12:09:02 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdrqA93sW-8

12:14:01 Azelphur: mthreat: I hear you want logs? I have Apr 11 2012 onwards

12:16:25 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dly6p4Fu5TE

12:23:21 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wtncm2yzUE

12:29:08 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAb_racnz08

12:39:45 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwTj9rR0BYY

12:43:24 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeaIvjoH1FY

12:43:31 Vexual: sup TAT

12:43:35 ThickAsThieves: sup

12:43:51 Vexual: to adventure, and beyond

12:44:10 ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu > dogecoin mmporg in the style of Eve: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=269740803

12:44:16 Vexual: how many kid would wanna be you??

12:44:28 ThickAsThieves: kids don't even know about me

12:44:36 ThickAsThieves: it's how you stay cool

12:44:43 fluffypony: you're so hipster

12:44:46 Vexual: kids pick up on shit

12:45:18 fluffypony: werd

12:49:35 ThickAsThieves: flashback! http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/banana1015.com/files/2012/07/gngft.jpg

12:50:40 ThickAsThieves: intersting, i didnt know steam sold non-games, they also have the greenlight program for non-games too http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=765§ion=software

12:51:14 ThickAsThieves: mostly software you might use to make games...

12:52:22 ThickAsThieves: vexual, gimme a good song, nothing dubstep or redneck

12:52:33 Vexual: wait

12:52:44 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T11A_lvcseo

12:53:18 ThickAsThieves: hehe

12:53:38 Vexual: lofi

12:55:45 ThickAsThieves: it's weird to have such a rock song with no band in the video

12:56:14 ThickAsThieves: she's all pretending to be Aretha Franklin when she should be Joan Jetting

12:56:23 Vexual: the band is tied to the radiator back at he hotel

12:56:41 ThickAsThieves: i wonder how much coke she did that night

12:56:57 ThickAsThieves: she looks pretty drunk

12:57:18 Vexual: yeah i think shes on nubbins herbs

12:58:49 ThickAsThieves: this guy is drunk too "Yea, these are nice. I want the gold one but I will probably wait since bitcoins are way undervalued and gold is somewhat over valued in relation."

12:59:05 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0skjm-uJSs

12:59:30 ThickAsThieves: The uploader has not made this video available in your country.

13:00:02 Vexual: yeah ppYgrdJ0pWk

13:00:35 ThickAsThieves: I have 7 reddit karma!

13:01:10 xmj: I have 20!

13:01:22 xmj: My bad. 13.

13:01:33 Vexual: how to reddit?

13:01:40 ThickAsThieves: it's hard getting karma without agreeing with and pumping everything

13:01:53 xmj: ThickAsThieves: just post interesting links.

13:02:09 ThickAsThieves: for varying values of interesting...

13:04:57 xmj: well du

13:04:58 xmj: h

13:05:09 Vexual: pWhj4sVeVS0

13:05:48 Vexual: no?

13:06:16 ThickAsThieves: i dont speak that language

13:06:38 Vexual: pWhj4sVeVD0

13:06:40 xmj: Vexual: posted his root password into irc. let's hack him. his ip is

13:09:57 Vexual: 10 tons of honey pot for fools xjm

13:10:32 xmj: Vexual: apologies. i'm mildly bored.

13:10:39 Vexual: comment things on your way past

13:11:04 Vexual: too late for that or you work in the garden

13:15:14 Vexual: ill gibe you a tip var is called vex

13:15:51 Vexual: but your fail will cascade to fertiliser

13:16:15 Vexual: mext years limes if you care

13:17:45 mircea_popescu: lol hi there

13:17:59 Vexual: PBCJWJXeFzk

13:18:09 Vexual: hey

13:18:58 ThickAsThieves: i wonder if vexual could pass a turing test

13:20:00 Vexual: ;;rate mircrea_popescu 1 sexy

13:20:14 Vexual: +d

13:21:45 Vexual: TAT o can't chess

13:22:14 Vexual: or see the kb

13:23:00 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves probably. turing test mostly verifies predictability.

13:23:21 Vexual: well thats a fail, bring it

13:24:11 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edwsf-8F3sI

13:27:06 ThickAsThieves: it's interesting learning the signs of deception in stock TA articles, charts, etc, to try to influence the market to buy at tops, sell at bottoms

13:27:22 ThickAsThieves: you pretty much cant trust shit

13:28:00 Vexual: tat you know more about me than i do

13:28:01 mircea_popescu: exactly.

13:28:09 ThickAsThieves: like this: http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2014/06/20/options-play-for-tapping-into-strength-of-netflix/

13:28:32 ThickAsThieves: i thought it'd be an article saying NFLX is going down

13:28:40 ThickAsThieves: nope!

13:28:58 ThickAsThieves: it just double-topped and she says buy!

13:29:48 Vexual: i never knew netflix was tradable

13:29:49 mircea_popescu: you have to understand how propaganda works.

13:29:56 ThickAsThieves: i wonder how these things go IRL, like does her boss say "Please write a bullish NFLX article"

13:30:11 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as english language free press.

13:30:44 mircea_popescu: no, generally it's not. goebbels didn't go "please write me a bullshit anti-jew speech again"

13:31:04 Vexual: meanwhile australia is rocking private trackers and not caring

13:34:35 Vexual: nrst belive im writing the bitcoin tax law too

13:34:43 ThickAsThieves: "Bitreserve’s tagline is ‘the end of bitcoin volatility’. "

13:35:56 mircea_popescu: what's bitreserve lol

13:36:15 Vexual: ^

13:36:28 mircea_popescu: o the cnet guy

13:36:29 mircea_popescu: ya ya.

13:37:03 mircea_popescu: read the guy's personal history sometime btw. it's quite instructive.

13:37:13 mircea_popescu: patron saint of all neobees.

13:37:33 Vexual: h,h,how to be cool?

13:37:45 ThickAsThieves: cnet never really seemed interesting to me

13:38:37 mircea_popescu: well basically guy sold out for about half a bn (back when us dollars were still worth something)

13:38:49 mircea_popescu: then went on a spending spree, which left him bankrupt last year.

13:39:04 ThickAsThieves: perfect contender for a bitcoin jesushood then

13:39:08 mircea_popescu: now he thinks himself a bitcoin expert, without having spent his year humbly reading here.

13:39:16 mircea_popescu: right. this can only end in tears.

13:39:32 mircea_popescu: "Bitreserve is Minor?s way to address the problems and opportunities he sees with Bitcoin. He says most people will never be comfortable holding the volatile digital currency"

13:39:41 ThickAsThieves: it irks me that bigger media now calls Ver Bitcoin Jesus

13:39:48 mircea_popescu: i mean think about it. so many sorts of wrong in so little space...

13:39:55 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves why ?

13:39:57 ThickAsThieves: too much irony for me

13:40:42 ThickAsThieves: i guess i need to stop caring about idiots that trust the media

13:40:48 mircea_popescu: i'll tell you, it's your emotional investment in said media, and more generally the notion that the whole establishment is a positive thing "taken together" that irks you.

13:41:08 mircea_popescu: it's an evil empire, chiefly because it's made by stupid people to promote wrongness and error.

13:42:51 ThickAsThieves: i guess itll at least yield drama fuel

13:42:56 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sqFprD6qIs

13:43:39 mircea_popescu: dubious. who cares about ver now that he's poor ?

13:43:56 ThickAsThieves: well the media will be happy to report his failures

13:44:15 ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Jesus Crucified

13:44:25 mircea_popescu: im wondering if they have a pedo story in the drawer about him too. i wasn't able to find one.

13:44:45 ThickAsThieves: nah he has a real undertone of lack of confidence

13:44:51 ThickAsThieves: probly has micropenis or something

13:45:11 Vexual: fuck i spilled my shisky then

13:45:14 ThickAsThieves: i guess those are probly higher % pedos...

13:47:11 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKpgwxfPfsw

13:47:17 bitcoinpete: ;;bc,stats

13:47:51 bitcoinpete: 129 ph...

13:47:51 ThickAsThieves: wow

13:48:14 ThickAsThieves: i guess ASICMINER is delivering

13:48:16 Vexual: ph is so 2014

13:48:24 ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty: 16,947,623,526 (+25.89%)

13:48:42 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: knc too

13:49:05 mircea_popescu: and to cap the previous discussion : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Beckwith_James_Carroll_Portrait_of_Evelyn_Nesbitt.jpg

13:49:09 mircea_popescu: woman is 16 and a half.

13:49:20 mircea_popescu: o damn.

13:49:29 ThickAsThieves: http://bitbet.us/bet/783/bitcoin-incremental-difficulty-to-increase-by-3b-or/

13:49:34 ThickAsThieves: just got interesting

13:49:36 Vexual: recent pic?

13:49:40 mircea_popescu: ya srsly.

13:49:48 mircea_popescu: Vexual not more than coffee.

13:51:23 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298nld4Yfds

13:51:25 xmj: how fast is the rate of change?

13:51:44 Vexual: variable

13:52:01 xmj: approximately, per week

13:52:39 Vexual: difficulty? its a thing unto itself

13:52:57 Vexual: miners of ol' say price drives mining

13:53:06 Vexual: i say bitcoin is bunta

13:53:13 Vexual: ;;ud bunta

13:53:23 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: "On June 5th Friedcat's update mentioned the close to 60PH that was finishing up production. When asked how long that was from an inventory standpoint, he indicated 1 to 1.5 months from that day to sell everything plus the fiat to BTC conversion. 1.5 months from June 5th puts us around July 20th, a solid month from now."

13:53:29 ThickAsThieves: apparently it's pretty hard to make a bitbet that difficulty can't satisfy

13:53:30 bitcoinpete: from forumz

13:53:44 Vexual: bitbet gets scary close to diff

13:53:50 Vexual: months out

13:54:24 kakobrekla: <Vexual> bitbet gets scary close to diff < take an unimaginable number and it will end up scary close.

13:54:50 mircea_popescu: yup.

13:54:52 mircea_popescu: exactly.

13:54:58 ThickAsThieves: punkman should do another datamine: What if you bet .1 btc on Yes for all bets including "difficulty" and No for all others

13:55:20 ThickAsThieves: probly $1m

13:55:24 ThickAsThieves: hehe

13:55:37 mircea_popescu: lol

13:55:47 kakobrekla: nah, he just makes to make a bet that over next N bets the outcome will be positive

13:55:50 kakobrekla: and bet on that.

13:56:04 mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny, all these wanna-bes and have-beens trying to get involved into bitcoin with dysfunctional, nonsensical business models

13:56:25 mircea_popescu: when all they'd really need would be to forget all the wallets and whatnot and just you know, bet yes on this and no onthat

13:58:16 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlEvh-DZ-kE

13:58:36 xmj: mircea_popescu: like those hedgefunds that put up bitcoin funds?

13:59:10 Vexual: everything is all

14:00:29 ThickAsThieves: “Cybercriminals acting in late 2013 installed a malicious computer program on the servers of a large hedge fund, crippling its high-speed trading strategy and sending information about its trades to unknown offsite computers.”

14:00:39 mircea_popescu: lol

14:00:44 Vexual: >>low speed

14:00:47 mircea_popescu: there you go asciilifeform

14:00:49 ThickAsThieves: Because of this systemic risk, the SEC recently announced it “will be conducting examinations of more than 50 registered broker-dealers and registered investment advisers, focusing on areas related to cybersecurity.”

14:00:53 mircea_popescu: and diametric. naggum was wrong.

14:01:03 ThickAsThieves: SEC gonna need a bigger boat

14:01:10 mircea_popescu: people doing "navy manuals" and whatever the fuck use decent software stacks for a limited time only.

14:01:11 Vexual: lol

14:01:22 mircea_popescu: in general, once corruption becomes fashionable, holdouts last ageneration or less.

14:02:33 mircea_popescu: and obviously, there's no prize for the people that ran safe stacks. there's a prize for those who didn't, who now get to a) bundle a lot of unrelated responmsibility and blame it on this known cause and b) ask for more money.

14:03:20 mircea_popescu: sort-of like the teenage slut born to wealth that skips a lot of school, and gets herself knocked up. not only is she getting some candy to "compensate" her for the abortion, but she also gets to blame her cocaine habit on the bad boy that "seduced" her.

14:04:23 mircea_popescu: in this sense, you don't want either democracy or strong government, because neither democracy nor strong government are capable of acting differently from the weak spirited but rich parent of an estranged daughter.

14:05:43 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: spot on analogy

14:06:02 bitcoinpete: "According to the analogy theory, it’s because making analogies requires thinking across traditional mental categories. In fact, some cognitive scientists have proposed that the farther the analogy—that is, the farther apart the previous experience and new situation—the more likely it will lead to a radically new idea." << hocus "science" but a point

14:06:08 bitcoinpete: http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/06/18/where-do-new-ideas-come-from/

14:06:29 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete there is something to the afieldness theory i think.

14:06:59 mircea_popescu: i certainly use a lot of sex analogies in work fields specifically because people [english speakers] so deliberately compartimentalise the two

14:07:17 mircea_popescu: it's a process much akin to inclusive franchise - more likely to yield better ballot results.

14:08:06 bitcoinpete: it's definitely hard for native english speakers to come up with our own sex analogies

14:08:28 bitcoinpete: because of how compartmentalized all such notions are

14:08:38 mircea_popescu: nude workday ftw.

14:08:50 Vexual: i win

14:09:09 bitcoinpete: we understand them, just generate them with difficulty

14:09:19 bitcoinpete: i really shouldn't say "we"

14:09:27 mircea_popescu: yeah.

14:09:33 bitcoinpete: eh it's a skill to be worked on

14:09:35 mircea_popescu: english jesus pete :D

14:10:00 bitcoinpete: lol pete is already one of those bible doods

14:10:38 bitcoinpete: i've been using a lot more analogies in irl conversation since hanging out here

14:10:48 bitcoinpete: with pretty exceptional results

14:10:56 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZAE8TOiZAs

14:11:07 mircea_popescu: watch out, you'rte gonna start picking up women and whatnot

14:11:23 bitcoinpete: you shoulda seen me at the club on friday night

14:11:26 bitcoinpete: lol

14:11:45 bitcoinpete: wife was in las vegas for a friend's birthday

14:11:45 mircea_popescu: (yes, it is my considered opinion that the one sine qua non condition for successful flirting is the device of analogy. anything else people insist upon, such as looking good, being funny, having money or w/e is piss)

14:12:13 bitcoinpete: analogies tie in to "being funny"

14:12:18 bitcoinpete: or they can

14:12:37 mircea_popescu: woman may enjoy to laugh, but proper analogy brings this innocent sense of wonder forth

14:12:47 mircea_popescu: which is how people fuck anyway.

14:13:03 bitcoinpete: at the club i ran into some classmates from highschool. the looks on their faces were pretty golden

14:13:10 mircea_popescu: mjr_: what a treasure trove of fun memories << werd.

14:14:03 bitcoinpete: so people fuck by analogy…

14:14:20 Vexual: carvel

14:14:34 Vexual: fit fucks

14:15:02 mircea_popescu: lol yeah

14:15:05 Vexual: the undeniable

14:15:26 mircea_popescu: punkman that's a direct (ie, word-for-word, idiom-blind) translation of a highly tensed romanian text.

14:15:32 mircea_popescu: basically, sung google translate.

14:16:41 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/480657179918499840

14:17:27 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpugpzsQgus

14:17:41 mircea_popescu: lol that's pretty good.

14:17:58 mircea_popescu: i doubt the guy's confused per se. looks more like, we're lulzy to him.

14:19:02 mircea_popescu: " In the next 2 days 18 indie bands in Shoreditch will name themselves Nazi Weed Pope."

14:19:12 thestringpuller: lol i had a dream about bitcoin-assets

14:19:30 mircea_popescu: benkay: <Vexual> not atc\ // i can't tell if this is the real Vexual or if his nick's been suborned by the most clever team to date << as opposed to what, before ?

14:19:41 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller did it involve vigorous copulative movements ?

14:20:36 mircea_popescu: benkay: there are some gems. some. << well of course. but the guy didn't say "there's going to be A total knockout born somewhere in the US"

14:22:25 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dkfdZVcRCg

14:22:50 bitcoinpete: "It is highly unlikely that most Americans feel the current rise in prices as noise. Inflation has a way of eating into every penny that you have especially when the market is flooded with debt."

14:22:54 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu > dogecoin mmporg in the style of Eve: <<< well... "going to", anyway.

14:22:54 bitcoinpete: http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/message-from-yellen-let-them-eat-noise/

14:23:02 punkman: ThickAsThieves: that gives an extra 0.23 BTC

14:23:09 punkman: mircea_popescu: who wrote it?

14:23:17 mircea_popescu: wrote what ?

14:23:38 mircea_popescu: don't say "it" to me like it means something bish!!! i'm eighteen lines deep

14:23:44 punkman: the tensed romanian text

14:23:49 mircea_popescu: oh. lessee

14:24:20 punkman: your "it" was the Bad Joke song, right?

14:25:16 mircea_popescu: ya

14:26:03 mircea_popescu: so it's mostly Cheloo (Cătălin Ștefan Ion), Ombladon (Bogdan Ionuț Păstacă) thyat write teh text thy play

14:29:18 mircea_popescu: most of the stuff they write is practically chinese (ie, doesn't follow romanian topic conventions (as in most latin languages you can order the words either plainly or meaningfully in romanian), they layer an abundance of cultured reference in between common metaphor (which is a process of significating that goes one step further than the idiom, roughly used to be known in english as conceit back before the us was a t

14:29:18 mircea_popescu: hing))

14:29:28 mircea_popescu: and so trying to translate it mostly yields word salad

14:32:07 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete well she actually does have a point. the shreds of data people are making a big deal about are likely statistical noise.

14:32:19 mircea_popescu: the systemic problems however... nobody wants to talk about those.

14:34:39 mircea_popescu: lol that blondie vid is the tits. by her face you'd think she thinks she's singing inside a huge churning blender.

14:34:44 BingoBoingo: OMG a recipe for word salad, where's dotcoin?

14:34:52 Vexual: wait

14:35:20 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: myeah

14:36:37 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piTp8rIK3nQ

14:36:46 bitcoinpete: to use an analogy, fighting over a lifted toilet seat is easier than addressing the broken marriage

14:37:05 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxpe1oSp_sg << anyway, here's blondy back before she had fucked a truck and snorted a barge

14:37:21 mircea_popescu: back when she had only fucked a regimen and snorted a pail

14:39:11 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-fabulous-baker-boys/ << the pfeiff plays something very akin to blondy in that. kickass filmn too

14:43:23 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

14:43:58 bitcoinpete: and i'm off to the course. ciao!

14:44:37 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Haha. Sorta? Well I guess Mike Caldwell came in here and it was a discussion about the USG.

14:44:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: chording keyboard would've worked great on phones << In grad school I became a master of the Blackberry arts. Ran a BES instance with one user (self)

14:45:07 mircea_popescu: so he came ?

14:45:35 thestringpuller: ^- was talking about the dream not RL

14:45:43 thestringpuller: (if that was directed at me)

14:45:50 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7oDhuIPiTQ

14:47:22 mircea_popescu: ;;google pemphigus

14:50:20 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ZqN_VFhdo

14:50:38 BingoBoingo: %book

14:50:40 atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160

14:52:21 mircea_popescu: lol that thing was even odds for a while

14:52:21 Vexual: %diff

14:52:23 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 452941.55 in 146 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -36.68

14:52:45 Vexual: fuck 6 months

14:53:22 Vexual: :D

14:55:02 BingoBoingo: %ticker

14:55:03 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 2k High: 235 Low: 222 VWAP: 222

14:56:46 Vexual: mmmm, the other satoshi

14:57:23 Vexual: ican't belive it's not bitcoin

14:58:52 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5mBh4rYs

14:59:39 mircea_popescu: "A 1994 study in the United States, which looked at the number of sexual partners in a lifetime, found that 20% of heterosexual men had only one partner, 55% had two to twenty partners, and 25% had more than twenty partners."

15:00:10 xmj: mircea_popescu: des the study list the median?

15:00:11 mircea_popescu: those 5% lied and it's a neat 25-50-25 i bet

15:00:12 Vexual: and mp had a speadsheet

15:00:36 mircea_popescu: Vexual i have no idea how one can go through a lifetime and fuck less than a coupla dozen people.

15:00:49 BingoBoingo: !b 4

15:00:56 mircea_popescu: for that matter, i don't know how one can go through highschool thus.

15:01:09 Vexual: i delete my logs weekly

15:01:15 mircea_popescu: but it'd prolly be pretty sad, rather frustrating and quite boring

15:02:12 Vexual: ;;calc 18/23

15:04:31 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust muXne

15:04:57 ThickAsThieves: fwiw the Bitcoin Foundation still hasn't provided the free membership they noted all Bitcoin2014 conference attendees would be eligible for

15:04:58 BingoBoingo: ;;rate muXne Markov chain

15:05:08 ThickAsThieves: not that i want it

15:05:23 ThickAsThieves: but i had to sign up for it to be allowed at their annual meeting

15:05:31 Vexual: bastards.

15:06:22 mircea_popescu: uh. how would they provide it ?

15:06:46 Vexual: harry potter wand

15:08:06 Vexual: hermione touches you and youre in

15:08:40 ThickAsThieves: by making a account on their website of course

15:08:46 ThickAsThieves: maybe getting added to some email list

15:08:46 mircea_popescu: oh

15:09:02 ThickAsThieves: then i can bitch at them in their forum

15:09:06 mircea_popescu: i didn't get what specifically is involved, other than being on an approved list

15:09:16 ThickAsThieves: it

15:09:17 mircea_popescu: once you're on list X and they say list X got membership that's it, you got it

15:09:18 Vexual: i got a free ticket to hong kong thing, cost me 3bc to be disallowed onto the plane

15:09:21 ThickAsThieves: 's not really anything

15:09:49 ThickAsThieves: i just dont wanna remove the Bitcoin Fundnation thing from my blog :(

15:10:05 mircea_popescu: lol so don't.

15:10:19 Vexual: i want my 3 bc back

15:10:28 ThickAsThieves: This Website is Not a Member

15:10:34 mircea_popescu: btw, do we have any earl of dorset/rochester / pre-"glorious" revolution experts in attendance ?

15:11:32 ThickAsThieves: no, that guy is busy filling out a survey about how many people he's slept with

15:12:02 mircea_popescu: lol wut

15:13:16 ThickAsThieves: sorry, vexual is contagious

15:13:55 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many privately retained vexual interpretation experts exist so far.

15:14:13 Vexual: im not one

15:14:16 mircea_popescu: i aspire that one day the taxpayer should spend more on this than on finding a cure for cancer.

15:14:37 ThickAsThieves: <+Vexual> im not one /// ha! i was gonna day 'does Vexual count?'

15:14:41 Vexual: ive heard my trust clients are happy

15:15:07 mircea_popescu: he can't count, no.

15:15:28 Vexual: i can count

15:15:36 Vexual: for a minute or two

15:16:40 mircea_popescu: http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Texts/mankind.html btw

15:18:31 Vexual: i prefered the one about the crow in the swamp

15:19:16 Vexual: prettuer

15:25:42 Vexual: http://www.poetrylibrary.edu.au/poets/lawson-henry/the-ballad-of-mabel-clare-0022053

15:27:59 mircea_popescu: australian poet ? seriously ?

15:28:02 mircea_popescu: what is this, the future ?

15:30:11 Vexual: yeah they have to have a punchline

15:34:36 BingoBoingo: !jd mpif

15:35:53 mircea_popescu: look kako, jdice put mpif ahead. quick, do something!

15:37:40 kakobrekla: rm -rf wallet.dat

15:37:43 kakobrekla: ops wrong window.

15:39:21 mircea_popescu: lol

15:39:40 mircea_popescu: usagi backups ?

15:40:28 kakobrekla: no, i upgraded to no backup at all

15:40:51 mircea_popescu: ;;google no pok

15:41:29 BingoBoingo: !up cowloon

15:42:56 asciilifeform: does somebody still have log gaps? i've got a nearly continuous ~90MB turd starting at oct. 2012

15:44:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you can cut off the part past 1st of may 2013, mthreat can prolly use more copies for coherence.

15:46:08 BingoBoingo: ;;rate muXne 1 Markov chain

15:46:32 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell moiety What did you do to the Dogers nao???

15:51:10 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

15:51:46 BingoBoingo: What... the... fuck!

15:52:57 mircea_popescu: ikr

15:53:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ba-turd.txt.gz

15:53:23 mircea_popescu: mthreat ^

15:53:24 asciilifeform: ^ note that my clock is set to american east time

15:53:27 mircea_popescu: danke

15:56:24 BingoBoingo: !up bocobit

15:56:40 *: asciilifeform realizes he did not perform the traditional 'year of lurk'

15:57:02 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think you might predate the tradition

15:57:43 asciilifeform: when did btca materialize anyway ?

15:58:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform roughly speaking april 2012.

15:58:45 mircea_popescu: but i only started using it seriously in august

16:06:49 dignork: Technocracy step I : http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1820&re=1

16:08:24 punkman: "So, how would an eigendemocracy suss out the truth about who trusts whom on which subject?  I don’t have a very good answer to this, and am open to suggestions.  The best idea so far is to use Facebook for this purpose, but I don’t know exactly how."

16:10:38 mircea_popescu: lmao

16:10:51 mircea_popescu: punkman who's this ?

16:11:01 punkman: dignork's link

16:11:13 mircea_popescu: o yea

16:11:21 mircea_popescu: dignork maybe suggest this chan to the author ?

16:11:44 dignork: I don't know him personally, will throw a comment

16:13:09 mircea_popescu: !up ak__

16:13:20 mircea_popescu: incidentally his definition is both a) quite strong and b) what i actually use

16:13:31 mircea_popescu: the proposition that it's borne by history seems also quite defensible

16:14:07 BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/morality/

16:14:13 BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/morality/

16:16:26 mircea_popescu: lol funny fit

16:18:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as english language free press. << OMG fraudsters's jig is up!!!

16:18:33 mircea_popescu: it's not teh press omg.

16:29:47 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You sure do use the disclaimers

16:37:20 mircea_popescu: "So for example, even if someone is unfailingly nice to you, if that person is an asshole to everyone else, then the eigenmoses moral code would demand that you return the person?s cooperation with icy defection."

16:37:29 mircea_popescu: lol such bs.

16:37:34 mircea_popescu: the model needs ego.

16:38:56 mthreat: <+Azelphur> mthreat: I hear you want logs? I have Apr 11 2012 onwards << myeah that'd be great

16:39:02 ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: You sure do use the disclaimers /// pretty pro, huh?

16:39:08 thestringpuller: lol everytime MPOE goes below 800000 there is a buying frenzy

16:39:10 mircea_popescu: yeah bro

16:39:27 thestringpuller: 80000 sastoshi*

16:39:27 thestringpuller: ugh

16:39:37 mircea_popescu: Even though the measures acquit themselves well in this particular tournament, it?s admittedly easy to construct scenarios where the prescriptions of eigenjesus and eigenmoses alike violently diverge from most people?s moral intuitions. We?ve already touched on a few such scenarios above (for example, are you really morally obligated to lick the boots of someone who kicks you, just because that person is a saint

16:39:37 mircea_popescu: to everyone other than you?). << dpends if you're aiming to lead or to follow.

16:40:03 mircea_popescu: does anyone feel like putting some work into python simulation ?

16:40:33 thestringpuller: python for simulations...? sound like it'll be running a long time...

16:41:02 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller academics, what do they know.

16:41:10 mircea_popescu: punkman1 what are you doing these days ?

16:42:10 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28l0pf/most_blatant_extortion_ive_ever_seen_on/

16:45:43 dignork: ThickAsThieves: the guy obviously doesn't know that LBC trades are going through escrow, so he can only damage some ratings. That is, unless buyers are clinical idiots, and release funds first.

16:46:32 mircea_popescu: let's run through this dignork

16:47:15 mircea_popescu: you (D) want to buy LTC. Seller (S) and scammer (X) and escrow (E) are the other players.

16:47:40 mircea_popescu: d contacts x, x contacts s, sets up deal with e, obtains bank acct.

16:47:55 mircea_popescu: x sends bank acct to d, d pays to account, s receives it, s says so to e

16:47:58 mircea_popescu: e releases ltc to x

16:48:01 mircea_popescu: x disappears.

16:48:42 mircea_popescu: escrow deals are easily defeated by triangulation, which is why wot is still a thing where escrow is a noob toy.

16:48:51 mircea_popescu: rather than vice-versa.

16:49:02 dignork: x will have to show his escrow balance, otherwise d won't pay

16:49:19 mircea_popescu: d doesn't know to ask.

16:49:25 mircea_popescu: x has a multitude of ways to fake it, too.

16:50:36 dignork: this is d assumed to be an idiot, or x have non-trivial ability to impersonate e

16:51:07 mircea_popescu: both are true to sufficient degree for the practical needs of the swindle in question.

16:51:52 mircea_popescu: think of it, this is a space where fucktarded "community members" aptly represented by the "bitcoin foundation" and well catered for by the power rangers a) gave half a million btc to trendon shavers and then b) gave half a million btc to silk road

16:52:26 mircea_popescu: thus creating a one million btc headache for me and everyone else seriously comitted to making btc the end of western style government.

16:52:31 dignork: well, so e would be able to fight it in court, but e doesn't want to get into court in the first place, so yeah, it has some merits

16:54:08 benkay: <ThickAsThieves> perfect contender for a bitcoin jesushood then // bitcoin crucifixion

16:54:23 mircea_popescu: dignork for that matter, x can simply convey d's request for proof to e

16:54:27 mircea_popescu: e has to satisfy it.

16:54:32 mircea_popescu: x now can prove to d.

16:55:23 mircea_popescu: now how many "escrows" on the "market" have the sense to include a "Issued for use of X" thus defeating this mitm ?

16:55:37 mircea_popescu: yes, they have to be clinically brain injured, as you say. guess what ? they fucking are

16:55:44 mircea_popescu: and they think this is fine and "a community"

16:55:46 dignork: mircea_popescu: LBC can divert this attack, by making e submit bank details

16:55:49 mircea_popescu: and fuck you for being mean and dispariging them

16:56:32 dignork: then x won't be able to open a trading account with duplicate details

16:56:56 mircea_popescu: maybe

16:57:05 mircea_popescu: that's the most you get here, a sort of up and down and all around maybe.

16:57:34 mircea_popescu: and by now yuour defense has reduced to trying to implement a broken sort of wot anyway

17:00:18 dignork: it is a general weak system problem - anyone knowing my bank account details (any freaking vendor i had business before) can create bad transactions in my name, he might get some money, or not, I'll definitely get some headache

17:01:16 asciilifeform: dignork: whenever you see a field where it seems as if 'cryptography never happened' - answer is always a misallocation of 'skin in game'

17:01:25 asciilifeform: e.g. bank doesn't eat the loss from fraud

17:01:26 benkay: <mircea_popescu> sort-of like the teenage slut born to wealth that skips a lot of school, and gets herself knocked up. not only is she getting some candy to "compensate" her for the abortion, but she also gets to blame her cocaine habit on the bad boy that "seduced" her. // my favorite is the one who gets her own condo and a photo studio to play with and raise her kid in

17:01:52 mircea_popescu: hey, mine too.

17:04:37 mircea_popescu: dignork even if you take the banks out of it, the escrow model is still weak to distributed identity attacks

17:04:57 mircea_popescu: which is a degenerate form taken by sybil attack in the degenerate wot that escrow is

17:05:01 benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete <bitcoinpete> at the club i ran into some classmates from highschool. the looks on their faces were pretty golden // whence the startle?

17:05:48 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, this scam has a history older than steam. entreprising young american fellows used to canvass old world ads for girls looking to marry, then forward the details to old rich american to pay for thepassage

17:05:54 mircea_popescu: and pick the girl up himself.

17:06:09 mircea_popescu: women being a... consumable commodity, which once consumed has very strong incentives to stick

17:06:44 asciilifeform: this scam will never die. every so often around here you hear of somebody caught stealing packages from doorsteps. same idea.

17:07:17 asciilifeform: the thief may or may not have 'insider' tip on who just ordered new laptop, gold bar, etc

17:07:22 mircea_popescu: and in principle, to make the point whole, for all those who wish the "good old days" were to return : they can not. they have been defeated in the field, through being weak to such things.

17:07:45 mircea_popescu: i know for one i would never marry in other way than through making some old fart pay for it thus, were i living in 1814

17:07:53 mircea_popescu: as a matter of principle.

17:09:23 mircea_popescu: and so you can't have any sort of "conservative morality" predicated on anything in the set of ("women not being sluts", "god fearing", "wealth and power by age rather than with and connection")

17:09:36 mircea_popescu: s/with/wit

17:09:41 punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah maybe I can do a simulation

17:10:02 asciilifeform: simulation of what ?

17:10:22 mircea_popescu: punkman i would be very interested to see what happens if someone were to take the guy;'s idea, clean all the crap off it, and then add what's missing.

17:10:47 mircea_popescu: by crap i mean, i suspect the academic used WAY TO FEW bots. use 100s of each type, and do millions of rounds, for goof statistics. similar things.

17:10:58 asciilifeform: ah that

17:11:04 asciilifeform: ;;google social learning tournament

17:11:06 mircea_popescu: and by what's missing, i mean ego. the bots must consider themselves equally important to the whole world.

17:11:20 dignork: mircea_popescu: what kind of data do you want to use, current WoT is tiny

17:11:22 mircea_popescu: which is, if this switch can either kill me or kill the world, throwing it is even odds.

17:11:29 mircea_popescu: dignork random generated.

17:11:30 asciilifeform: (think: axelrod's classic 'prisoner' tournament - 'on steroids')

17:12:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall we discussingsomething similar months ago

17:12:26 mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=axelrod

17:12:28 mircea_popescu: here we go

17:12:34 mircea_popescu: omfg i love mthreat

17:12:48 asciilifeform: the laland tourney is considerably more interesting imho

17:12:54 punkman: mircea_popescu, I'll give it a look, see how much I grok

17:13:43 mircea_popescu: works.

17:13:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which one was that ?

17:14:04 mircea_popescu: punkman prolly also drop the guy a link to the logs

17:14:09 mircea_popescu: multiple sources can't hurt :p

17:15:19 asciilifeform: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989663

17:15:24 asciilifeform: ^ paper on winners from Tourney 1

17:15:58 mircea_popescu: punkman also, the bs "nice" has to be thrown out, it's meaningless. just count who starts wars.

17:16:49 mircea_popescu: (which approach probably would improve the original paper a lot too, just re-do it but not counting totals, merely counting cases of backstabbing)

17:17:03 mircea_popescu: probably publishable as a paper if you can be bothered to run in that threadmill

17:18:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the part i find the lulziest about these recent academic papers on google page rank is just how utterly broken it is in the field, defeated by hundreds if not thousands of different approaches implemented by scores more different agencies.

17:18:41 asciilifeform: the gods of spam - always win

17:18:54 mircea_popescu: it's almost as if being a scientist consisted entirely of beating the cheap boarding houses and asylums to select out of the pox ridden old hags "the paragons of beauty"

17:19:07 mircea_popescu: that perhaps they were, twenty years prior, back in their flap days

17:20:02 mircea_popescu: (for the esl folk, a flap is an affectionate term for a prepubescent prostitute, also used for uppity, vivacious girls in general, as a testament to the traditional positive social view on tween prostitution)

17:20:03 asciilifeform: seniority-based structure will do that.

17:20:16 mircea_popescu: quite.

17:21:42 asciilifeform: obligatory:

17:21:44 asciilifeform: ;;google tarver decline and fall

17:22:33 asciilifeform: 'You can routinely find lecturers with more than a hundred published papers and you marvel at these paradigms of human creativity. These are people, you think, who are fit to challenge Mozart who wrote a hundred pieces or more of music. And then you get puzzled that, in this modern world, there should be so many Mozarts - almost one for every department. The more prosaic truth emerges when you scan the titles

17:22:33 asciilifeform: of these epics. First, the author rarely appears alone, sharing space with two or three others. Often the collaborators are Ph.D. students who are routinely doing most of the spade work on some low grant in the hope of climbing the greasy pole. Dividing the number of titles by the author's actual contribution probably reduces those hundred papers to twenty-five. Then looking at the titles themselves, you'll see

17:22:35 asciilifeform: that many of the titles bear a striking resemblance to each other. "Adaptive Mesh Analysis" reads one and "An Adaptive Algorithm for Mesh Analysis" reads another. Dividing the total remaining by the average number of repetitions halves the list again. Mozart disappears before your very eyes.'

17:22:49 mircea_popescu: i'm not a professor because i find fucking and beating a few selected girls at a time a lot more effectual than merely speaking to an entire gaggle, who also cling to naive misrepresentations as of their "rights" and "freedoms".

17:23:02 benkay: "For wits are treated just like common whores:

17:23:03 benkay: First they're enjoyed, and then kicked out of doors."

17:23:19 mircea_popescu: how're enjoyin' the logs mr vulpes ?

17:26:11 mircea_popescu: lol derp goes right into how "they've won the scientific debate on climate change"

17:26:19 mircea_popescu: except "deniers make phony think tanks"

17:26:44 asciilifeform: where's this

17:27:00 mircea_popescu: same article above, with the bad model for evaluating bots.

17:27:16 mircea_popescu: by now im quite thankful for this entire global warming scam. it saves me so much reading.

17:27:57 asciilifeform: it's a scam of the desperation/starvation variety. armies of folks conned into burning their lives for 'degree' want to eat.

17:28:16 asciilifeform: want to stave off Butugychag.

17:29:25 mircea_popescu: in a sense their intuition is quite correct : the world is in fact ending.

17:29:49 mircea_popescu: just, their world isn't really THE world. but then again who knows this ever.

17:30:25 benkay: "Adore those shrines of virtue, homage pay,

17:30:25 benkay: And, with the rabble world, their laws obey.

17:30:25 benkay: If such there be, yet grant me this at least: [220]

17:30:26 benkay: Man differs more from man, than man from beast."

17:30:49 mircea_popescu: goatfuckers had a point all along huh

17:31:10 benkay: log challenge doesn't grow less with the ability to parse it quickly - now all the time saved reading quickly and ignoring the noise goes into reading the things herein linked.

17:31:32 benkay: particularly good reading today, mircea_popescu, ty to yourself and asciilifeform

17:31:37 benkay: and i think punkman

17:32:59 benkay: mmm. search engines.

17:33:13 mircea_popescu: i think the deal is kako gets the praise for the logs,

17:33:16 mircea_popescu: i just get the arguments

17:34:29 benkay: pfhah

17:34:31 mircea_popescu: ha! now this may be a good formalisation of the vc problem. birdy whispers in my ear : "all those guys trying for financial dominance without intellectual dominance ? ya, that'll work..."

17:35:48 mthreat: <mircea_popescu> btw mthreat wouldja be interested in filling in the logs for the first missing year, and generate a drop-in blob kakobrekla can put into his log thing too ? << I got asciilifeform's ba-turd file. But I'm not sure what format kako wants. search.b-a gets all of its info from log.b-a by crawling, since I link to it in the search results.

17:36:41 mircea_popescu: ah

17:36:47 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what format would you want ?

17:37:03 thestringpuller: !mpif

17:37:07 mircea_popescu: mthreat the linking is particularly useful tho. is the crawl inefficient ?

17:37:25 mthreat: mircea_popescu: not really, it's pretty easy.

17:37:29 mircea_popescu: cool

17:37:45 mircea_popescu: past days don't change anyway so you do once a day as it were ?

17:38:10 mthreat: once Iset up the cron, yeah something like that :) Maybe twice a day, whatever.

17:38:50 mircea_popescu: cool.

17:38:52 benkay: this eigenmoses and eigenjesus stuff is interesting in that sir thomas moore follows the eigenjesus strategy

17:39:07 mircea_popescu: benkay how do you figure ? and it's more

17:39:11 mthreat: kako may choose to renumber the ids (used for the <a href> anchors) since he'll be backfilling prior to his current "epoch" day

17:39:29 mthreat: if he does that, i'll just have to recrawl to make the links work

17:40:28 mircea_popescu: can just use negative

17:40:40 mircea_popescu: seems more... apt.

17:41:00 mthreat: heh... like 300 BC

17:41:07 mircea_popescu: yup

17:41:09 mthreat: we'll call it "BMT" before mthreat

17:41:14 mircea_popescu: hahaha

17:41:18 benkay: well i'm probably wrong, but STM doesn't actively work against KR - just refuses to help him in his immoral quest

17:41:26 mircea_popescu: you are not humble and therefore can not be given a ton of power.

17:41:33 benkay: "Imagine, for instance, that 98% of the players are unfailingly nice to each other, but unfailingly cruel to the remaining 2% (who they can recognize, let’s say, by their long noses or darker skin—some trivial feature like that). Meanwhile, the put-upon 2% return the favor by being nice to each other and mean to the 98%. Who, in this scenario, is moral, and who’s immoral? The mathematical verdict of both eigenmoses and eigenjesus is

17:41:33 benkay: unequivocal: the 98% are almost perfectly good, while the 2% are almost perfectly evil. After all, the 98% are nice to almost everyone, while the 2% are mean to those who are nice to almost everyone, and nice only to a tiny minority who are mean to almost everyone. Of course, for much of human history, this is precisely how morality worked, in many people’s minds. But I dare say it’s a result that would make moderns uncomfortable."

17:41:45 mircea_popescu: benkay you read what, the book ? saw the movie ?

17:41:56 benkay: i've only seen the movie.

17:42:02 benkay: i'm referring to the character in the play/movie.

17:42:07 mircea_popescu: yes well. more is a loyal subject of the king.

17:42:13 mircea_popescu: what do you mean "work against" ?

17:42:21 benkay: yeah, good question.

17:42:32 mircea_popescu: what is this revolutionary scandalous licentiousness where a subject may be allowed to pass himself as moral agent equal to his sovereign ?

17:42:33 benkay: i mean i need more coffee and a caning.

17:43:19 benkay: but if the sovereign is demonstrably immoral and god sayeth otherwise?

17:43:55 mircea_popescu: a sovereign can not be demonstrably immoral tho is the problem

17:44:28 benkay: my loyalty is first to god - and then the king.

17:44:29 decimation: benkay: is that quote from the play?

17:44:46 benkay: decimation: my tortured imagination.

17:45:16 mircea_popescu: what quote

17:45:17 asciilifeform: bus driver can demonstrably suck (machine careens of a cliff.) it does not follow that bus should be rebuilt with a steering wheel for each passenger - etc

17:45:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except what is a cliff ?

17:45:47 benkay: divorce ;)

17:45:50 mircea_popescu: lol

17:46:30 mircea_popescu: the situation where the sovereign is a dumbass can not be distinguished from the situation where evil people are prevailing with their treason and schemes upon the monarch by loyal subjects

17:46:45 mircea_popescu: this is yet again the degenerate form of the sybill attack for a degenerate wot

17:46:56 mircea_popescu: there's very little difference between feudalism and escrow

17:47:04 mircea_popescu: in fact, feudalism is a means of working land held in escrow.

17:47:40 mircea_popescu: lemme try for proper english over here.

17:47:51 benkay: it boils down to he who may destroy is the sovereign?

17:47:56 mircea_popescu: loyal subjects can not distinguish the situation where the sovereign is a dumbass from the situation where evil people are prevailing with their treason and schemes.

17:48:40 mircea_popescu: benkay you will note that more only forms a moral judgement once he is no longer subject to his king

17:48:53 mircea_popescu: ie, once they get that schmuck to lie under oath and convict him of treason

17:49:06 decimation: indeed, giving those loyal subjects universal sufferage solves nothing

17:49:10 benkay: that's when he discloses it. it's clear he's had the opinion for a long time.

17:49:23 mircea_popescu: no such thing is clear.

17:49:32 benkay: hm

17:50:08 decimation: that very point was the climax of the movie (man for all seasons)

17:50:28 kakobrekla: mthreat dunno, csv, mysql, what have you got ?

17:50:56 mircea_popescu: decimation nah, the climax was when he shows himself an eunuch

17:51:28 mthreat: kakobrekla: I'll be parsing the log file asciilifeform provided, so I can put it in whatever format, or you can just take the irc log file and parse it on your end.

17:51:35 mircea_popescu: up to the point where he rebuffs roper you may entertain the notion more is a whole man. but after he admits he will grant the other's safety for his own safety's sake you know he's not.

17:51:46 mircea_popescu: mthreat ever got mine ?

17:51:50 mthreat: belgium beats russia 1-0

17:52:04 mthreat: mircea_popescu: yeah but asciilifeform's overlaps

17:52:17 mircea_popescu: mine starts earlier im pretty sure ? or not ?

17:52:27 kakobrekla: my logs are all fucked up i dun wanna parse that.

17:52:31 mircea_popescu: ideally this should be done once and cover the whole shjebang

17:52:35 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ship them to him ?

17:52:37 mthreat: yours only had march/april 2013 I think

17:52:48 mircea_popescu: 2012. look again.

17:52:53 kakobrekla: but if theres a coherent version out there i can parse it

17:53:08 mircea_popescu: and also ever got Azelphur's version ?

17:53:15 mthreat: mircea_popescu: not yet

17:53:16 kakobrekla: my logs are more work than worth

17:53:24 mircea_popescu: kako a ok

17:53:55 mthreat: kakobrekla: also you'll have to figure out how to number entries before your current entry #1 (April 26, 2013)

17:54:04 kakobrekla: into negative ofc

17:54:58 mircea_popescu: here's an interesting if unrelated point : what characteristic of classical english theatre, cca 1600s, was shared by both classical french and italian, but not ever since ? so that 99.x% of all good plays, all good actors and all good performances have this one thing in common, that's not been seen again ?

17:55:16 mircea_popescu: (and the same holds for opera)

17:56:33 decimation: exquisite set-making?

17:56:42 mircea_popescu: mnope

17:57:34 decimation: well, I don't have french or italian, but Shakspeare's plays were ... poetry

17:57:47 mircea_popescu: turns out, it's that they were all produced for a small audience of the same people.

17:58:03 mircea_popescu: consequently the producers were forced to iterate a lot and fail fast

17:58:16 mircea_popescu: and the audience knew the craft better than any debutante.

17:58:43 mircea_popescu: such are the blessings of closed society : that art may flourish. democracy and social mobility allows for no such thing.

18:00:04 decimation: Thomas Carlyle on the wisdom of crowds: "Your ship cannot double Cape Horn by its excellent plans of voting. The ship may vote this and that, above decks and below, in the most harmonious exquisitely constitutional manner: the ship, to get round Cape Horn, will find a set of conditions already voted for, and fixed with adamantine rigour by the ancient Elemental Powers, who are entirely careless how you vote." http://books.google.com/

18:00:07 decimation: books?id=5OsNAQAAMAAJ

18:01:28 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of the inept scientists of today realise just how amusing their global warming pretenses are

18:01:49 mircea_popescu: "lo and behold, we should be affraid that democracy is now in peril of falling out of the box and revoting cape horn"

18:02:27 decimation: the Patagonian cliffs care not for word-smithing and spinning

18:02:34 benkay: i've always thought it a rather bad idea to be burning everything at hand, just on the principle that i don't want to be breathing crap all the time.

18:02:56 mthreat: mircea_popescu: ok once I get Azelphur's, i'll turn them all into a mysql dump and send it to kakobrekla. Then once kako gets them on log.b-a, i'll just crawl-backfill.

18:03:30 mircea_popescu: benkay problem is that approach contradicts the "world peace" approach. not burn anytihng at hand but clothe and feed anyone at hand ?

18:03:31 decimation: one can simultaneously believe global warming is a scam and also consider the coal plant down the street to be ruinous

18:03:38 mircea_popescu: would you rather have soot or shit ?

18:04:01 decimation: plutonium for me

18:04:03 mircea_popescu: mthreat seems reasonable. were yopu able to find my 2012 bits or did i accidentally only send you one file of two ?

18:04:39 mircea_popescu: decimation no no, "we should tax everything and put the money into '''research'''"

18:04:57 mircea_popescu: only THAT is the correct way to solve all the world's p[roblems

18:05:37 mircea_popescu: in other words, two mice disagreed once on how to split a chunk of cheese they had found. so the cat ate the cheese, and the mice.

18:05:55 decimation: actually, at least one of the mice was probably on the cat's side

18:06:10 decimation: after all, it's better to have no humans at all than to have kulaks etc

18:06:12 mircea_popescu: yes. one of the mice was oi the cat's left side

18:06:15 mircea_popescu: while the other in the right

18:06:16 mthreat: mircea_popescu: yah you were correct. But as you said, your log has gaps, so hopefully Azelphur's logs are more complete.

18:06:24 mircea_popescu: hopefully ya

18:07:13 mircea_popescu: to be a modest chap, the logs kinda exist because i had this irresponsible attitude where i'd only log while awake, and so things got lost.

18:07:36 mircea_popescu: let it not be said that irresponsible laziness has not made nice things

18:08:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is one of those weirdos who actually turns his computer on and off ?!

18:08:58 mircea_popescu: yea

18:09:28 decimation: well, one can be certain of its state when power is not applied

18:09:35 mircea_popescu: ^

18:09:43 decimation: save wake-on-lan nastiness

18:09:50 mircea_popescu: no such thing

18:10:02 asciilifeform: someone actually uses wake on lan !?!

18:10:14 decimation: well, impi, remote access, all the same kind of thing

18:10:36 asciilifeform: who the hell has impi on a 'human' box ?

18:10:55 decimation: I considered buying a server with that feature so I could remotely access it without a monitor

18:11:13 mircea_popescu: Instituto Mexicano de la Propiedad Industrial. Registre su marca hoy.

18:11:27 decimation: but yeah, not on a workstation

18:12:12 decimation: I'm glad I didn't in retrospect - was gonna buy a supermicro - before, I could pretend it was secure, now we know otherwise

18:12:43 asciilifeform: i never understood the popularity of the crud. an ip-kvm is what, a few hundy? why attach proprietary strange to your front bus?

18:13:08 decimation: well, to me the major attraction beside the ip-kvm is the power cycle feature

18:13:20 decimation: but that can be had for even less money honestly

18:13:26 asciilifeform: the high-end kvm have power relays

18:14:09 decimation: interestingly, old dell RAC cards had a feature where you could actually "view" the monitor over ssh

18:14:31 asciilifeform: is ipmi one of those 'may as well hang for a sheep' affairs, where folks use intel cpu, etc and know they're already owned anyway

18:14:46 asciilifeform: e.g. whore with aids might as well contract syphilis

18:15:11 decimation: yeah you are right ascii, but you do realize that nearly all public and private entities in the US fall into that category

18:16:44 decimation: here's how the SEC put it: http://investor.gov/news-alerts/investor-alerts/investor-alert-bitcoin-other-virtual-currency-related-investments

18:16:52 decimation: "Not insured. While securities accounts at U.S. brokerage firms are often insured by the Securities Investor Protection Corporation (SIPC) and bank accounts at U.S. banks are often insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), bitcoins held in a digital wallet or Bitcoin exchange currently do not have similar protections."

18:17:35 decimation: why would you want to live outside the benevolent "protection" of USG?

18:18:46 decimation: honestly that "alert" is a pretty good pitch for Bitcoin

18:22:45 thestringpuller: how would you even insure bitcoins and who would insure them?

18:22:56 thestringpuller: only MP has the capital to actually insure anyone...

18:23:04 thestringpuller: (insure anyone worht insuring)

18:23:47 mircea_popescu: nobody can insure bitcoin in the sipc/fdic sense, because nobody can print them.

18:24:05 mircea_popescu: that type of insurance is typical manufacturer insurance, "that the product be free of defects or replaced"

18:24:38 thestringpuller: what about the sense of car insurance?

18:24:50 mircea_popescu: and so in this sense, it's not that bitcoin isn't insured in that way. it's moreover that bank deposits etc aren't, and the continuance of the fraudulent pretense to the contrary promulgated by various usg agencies among which the sec above strictly depends on it not being needed.

18:25:40 thestringpuller: wow

18:25:42 thestringpuller: profound...

18:25:56 thestringpuller: (cause it's true)

18:31:07 decimation: mircea_popescu: Indeed, which is why this "alert" is so amusing. "Seizing or freezing bitcoins. Law enforcement officials may have difficulty seizing or freezing illicit proceeds held in bitcoins. Bitcoin wallets are encrypted and unlike money held in a bank or brokerage account, bitcoins may not be held by a third-party custodian."

18:31:25 decimation: Don't use Bitcoin because we can't take it away from you, at our option

18:31:32 mircea_popescu: lol

18:32:03 mircea_popescu: but that's exactly the concept. my slavegirl might not want to visit you in a room you can lock at your option.

18:33:09 decimation: so to be clear, it used to be the case that in order for someone to seize "your" money, they had to show up at your house and take your physical coins

18:33:33 mircea_popescu: !up nerdfiles

18:34:09 mircea_popescu: well yes, but this was before a time people expected the king pick up their apothecary bill.

18:37:59 decimation: lol Carlyle has the same "non-persons" theory: "If the unfathomable Universe has decided to reject Human Beavers pretending to be Men; and will abolish, pretty rapidly perhaps, in hideous mud-deluges, their 'markets' and them, unless they think of it??In that case it were better to think of it: and the Democracies and Universal Suffrages, I can observe, will require to modify themselves a good deal!"

18:39:52 thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats

18:41:22 mircea_popescu: decimation and so they have modified themselves. no man living with carlyle would regard the average existence of today's westerner as anything but the most abject imprisonment

18:41:34 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust casascius

18:41:43 mircea_popescu: so... they've modified themselves, to take more cock with less fretting.

19:11:46 moiety: ;; later tell BingoBoingo I simply said "fuck you" to someone and the whole place started convulsing with butthurt.. and then made it worse by demonstrating remorse lvl : -40

19:13:26 mircea_popescu: wait wut

19:13:43 moiety: i upset the doge people last night

19:19:51 benkay: <zrobo> cryptsy.com: 1 dogecoin = 56 satoshis. coindesk price $0.0003. 24 hr volume: 310 megadoge

19:20:37 benkay: http://celiabasto.tumblr.com/post/88217340700

19:21:15 punkman: let there be blog http://extemporized.com/

19:26:44 chetty: moiety: don't you know women are not allowed to curse

19:34:46 kakobrekla: ;;later tell vexual log would be better off without your jewtube links.

19:34:56 moiety: chetty: i'm a disgrace i know XD i find it so hard when they are such idiots

19:42:45 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> such are the blessings of closed society : that art may flourish. democracy and social mobility allows for no such thing. //// or a *small* society --- but maybe i'm splitting hairs

19:44:03 FabianB: mircea_popescu: my logs are burried in old backups on disks at a place i'm unlikely to be at in the next 2 to 3 weeks, so unless it's still useful by then i'll keep them there

19:44:31 mircea_popescu: FabianB kk

19:44:45 mircea_popescu: <punkman> let there be blog http://extemporized.com/ << yours ?

19:44:53 ThickAsThieves: sweet

19:45:16 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the smaller it gets, the harder it is to say

19:45:30 mircea_popescu: "democracy" as practiced among a hundred that know each other is no democracy anyway

19:46:43 ThickAsThieves: understood, i'm more pointing out that size is a factor, as in, it being closed isn't enough, it also can't be large

19:47:14 ThickAsThieves: i also wonder if age is a factor as well

19:47:29 ThickAsThieves: probably on a curve

19:50:16 chetty: ThickAsThieves,avg life in the time frame was short, if you lived very long you likely had more wisdom (which is why you lived)

19:51:29 ThickAsThieves: i'm more referring to the the dynamics of a closed society in an effort to bring quality/robustness or whatever

19:51:32 chetty: not sure age counts for much anymore

19:51:37 ThickAsThieves: age of the group

19:51:40 ThickAsThieves: not the individual

19:51:52 ThickAsThieves: maybe inextricable

19:53:07 chetty: I think closed is kinda relative tho, more like the semi-permeable membrane

19:54:19 ThickAsThieves: like #b-a

19:56:20 chetty: exactly

19:58:11 chetty: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JURORS_SOCIAL_MEDIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-06-22-11-58-35

20:14:31 ThickAsThieves: http://btcoracle.com/index.php is this OneFixt?

20:14:49 ThickAsThieves: !up OneFixt

20:15:14 OneFixt: yup

20:15:23 OneFixt: wait, no

20:15:30 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:15:30 OneFixt: not me, misread

20:15:34 OneFixt: lol

20:15:49 ThickAsThieves: good to know

20:16:35 *: ThickAsThieves kinda misses btc options

20:19:55 ThickAsThieves: coindesk has to articles about people offering bitcoin options, neither mentions mpex

20:25:13 mircea_popescu: well it doesn't offer them anymore

20:25:44 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves can't be large ? hm. the hansa was very large. i believe it can be quite large.

20:30:49 Mats_cd03: i wonder how long it will take for a decent price signal to materialize

20:31:20 mircea_popescu: there's little incentive for it yet.

20:31:25 ThickAsThieves: look at that boner https://icbit.se/WebTrade/Trading.aspx

20:34:10 mircea_popescu: OneFixt you got teh logs ?

20:34:58 OneFixt: which logs?

20:35:04 mircea_popescu: of here.

20:35:12 OneFixt: some, why?

20:35:26 mircea_popescu: ah. well we're trying to make a canonical version of 2012 - april 2013

20:35:36 mircea_popescu: if you got usable stuff dump to mthreat

20:35:42 OneFixt: ah

20:35:54 OneFixt: mine is not at all easy to dump unfortunately

20:36:21 mircea_popescu: kay.

20:36:22 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

20:39:53 FabianB: $traded

21:15:19 Namworld: Apple stock at 100? Was there a split or did it drop a lot? I think it was around 500-800 not long ago.

21:15:33 mthreat: split 7-to-1

21:35:36 mthreat: mircea_popescu: have you managed to find good pizza in this town?

21:36:10 mircea_popescu: mthreat american good pizza or romanian good pizza ?

21:37:12 mthreat: mircea_popescu: what would be considered good in italy or germany. I've never had romanian pizza

21:37:22 mthreat: #1, HAS tomato sauce

21:37:32 mircea_popescu: it's kjinda it's own thing. imo better than italian.

21:37:50 mthreat: here it's mostly bread and cheese

21:37:51 mircea_popescu: anyway, trained girlz, can make it. i care not for the city :D

21:38:13 mthreat: magic

21:38:43 mircea_popescu: but yes, tomatoes, definitely, and mushroom,s and artichoke hearts and anchovies and so on

21:40:33 punkman: mircea_popescu: <punkman> let there be blog http://extemporized.com/ << yours ? << yes

21:40:48 punkman: I think I should make a special feed for penguin though

21:41:13 mircea_popescu: seems it picks it up jus' fine

21:41:23 punkman: lest there be two dozen recipes posted one day

21:42:51 punkman: did nubbins have a blog, or am I remembering some other sausage-blog

21:43:24 mircea_popescu: nubsy is a contrarian. he doesn't have altcoins, he doesn't have blogs, he goes his own way damneit@!

21:49:33 mthreat: There was this romanian restaurant in Austin. It was called "Dracula".

21:52:20 mircea_popescu: surprisingly.

21:53:07 punkman: so once upon the time I was a math student, but then I forgot everything, and now I'm looking for a couple of good books. I found this one http://www.amazon.com/dp/0486409163/ . Any other suggestions?

21:53:29 punkman: "upon the time" ftw

21:53:55 punkman: feeling russian

21:53:56 mircea_popescu: punkman L.D.Landau and E.M.Leifshitz. all the math one could ever want.

21:54:10 mircea_popescu: if it doesn't DO something it's not math anyway.

21:54:18 asciilifeform: punkman: 'All the Mathematics You Missed' (Garrity) if impatient/american

21:54:23 asciilifeform: punkman: otherwise what mircea_popescu said

21:54:56 mircea_popescu: wow someone agrees ?!

21:55:03 mircea_popescu: i thought that's like, my most heretic view.

21:55:12 asciilifeform: the 'content methods & meaning' by dover is a pretty fine encyclopaedic text

21:55:25 asciilifeform: i especially liked the 'obsolete' chapter on mechanical computers

21:55:57 asciilifeform: also ask yourself, which mathematics

21:56:08 punkman: this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Course_of_Theoretical_Physics ?

21:56:20 asciilifeform: l&l is geared to methods of theoretical physics (landau's famous 'minimum' exam)

22:01:08 asciilifeform: punkman: a good refresher text on discrete maths / computability /etc. is hopcroft & ullman

22:01:18 asciilifeform: http://faraday.fie.umich.mx/~rrusiles/Fie/Horizontal/Hopcroft_Introduction_to_Automata_Theory_Languages_and_Computation.pdf

22:01:28 asciilifeform: ^ unfortunately not the edition with the hot chick on the cover

22:01:30 asciilifeform: but full text

22:07:51 punkman: mircea_popescu: probably publishable as a paper if you can be bothered to run in that threadmill << not a big fan of academics, but I can blag it now

22:08:58 punkman: I was looking at a few interesting papers from this guy the other day http://dpennock.com/

22:14:36 thestringpuller: punkman: bitbet.py is dope

22:14:37 Mats_cd03: http://econbrowser.com/archives/2014/06/iraq-oil-markets-and-the-u-s-economy

22:14:42 thestringpuller: I'll have to see how you did colorization

22:15:36 Mats_cd03: and... http://www.sfgate.com/business/networth/article/3-reasons-Iraq-conflict-isn-t-driving-up-gas-5569945.php

22:24:43 mircea_popescu: punkman that is a point

22:24:52 mircea_popescu: by now the research paper journals are little more than blogs anyway.

22:26:33 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 5 reasons why losing 10 years' investment in iraq isn't a disaster, 5 reason why higher inflation isn't higher inflation, 5 reasons why the failure of each and every obamapolicy isn't a failure of the left, or of blacks, or of the electoral system, or of the general public,

22:26:52 mircea_popescu: on it goes. 5 reasons why fucking up is okay and starvation isn't imminent.

22:35:25 thestringpuller: 5 conspiracy theories that are actually real

22:35:28 thestringpuller: more at 11

22:44:08 punkman: heh "JOSS defaults to cooperation on the first turn, and thereafter mirrors its partner's previous move, except after its partner cooperates, JOSS defects with some probability to see what it can get away with every once in a while."

23:12:12 decimation: thanks for the book asciilifeform

23:49:56 BingoBoingo: %diff

23:49:58 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 450695.27 in 113 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.00

23:52:56 punkman: BingoBoingo: we need like 220 blocks a day for that bet

23:53:38 BingoBoingo: punkman: Yeah, it's going to be tricky. Wonder how much hash is going to arrive after the diff change

23:54:09 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 3600 / 512

23:55:03 punkman: so we must be doing like 100 a day now?

23:55:36 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 168.75 * .63