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00:10:18 mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow

00:10:28 SuchWow: why hello there

00:10:43 SuchWow: i've been gone for 2-3 months, tl;dr me the best parts

00:10:46 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/10/30/the-cost-of-shitogramming/ << check her out

00:10:48 assbot: The cost of shitogramming in Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBpHvE )

00:11:05 SuchWow: and what happened to fluffypony

00:11:23 SuchWow: oh, is still here

00:11:34 SuchWow: mainly i'm just curious

00:11:38 SuchWow: as to the current sentiment

00:11:40 SuchWow: overall

00:11:40 mircea_popescu: who were you again ?

00:11:45 mircea_popescu: !gettrust SuchWow

00:11:45 assbot: SuchWow is not registered in WoT.

00:11:56 SuchWow: I was a founding op of #dogecoin lol

00:12:01 SuchWow: and i've never been interested

00:12:05 SuchWow: in bot trust games lol

00:12:28 mircea_popescu: mkay.

00:12:44 SuchWow: u can search ur logs for more, i've had a few mildly amusing exchanges here (not really tho

00:13:34 cazalla: SuchWow, is this the day where you check if #b-a is still around long after dogecoin was put to sleep?

00:15:30 SuchWow: cazalla: clearly you haven't been watching dogecoin charts, and even more clearly, you have no idea who i am.

00:15:39 SuchWow: or what i do, etc.

00:15:49 SuchWow: but have fun with your attempted cajoles lol

00:16:12 cazalla: SuchWow, you mean i don't know chinese exchanges pump it up with fake volume to fool westerners?

00:16:18 SuchWow: now i get why you only voice ppl under certain conditions

00:16:40 SuchWow: cazalla: if you say so, i really and honestly wouldn't know anything about that

00:16:40 cazalla: what conditions are they?

00:16:52 SuchWow: i dunno, you're here in this chan, i haven't been here for months

00:16:56 SuchWow: you tell me

00:17:21 SuchWow: you're the one making subtly degrading comments towards me based on total ignorance

00:17:28 SuchWow: so perhaps the rules have changed

00:17:48 *: SuchWow yawns

00:17:59 cazalla: people often up others that /join the channel.. sorta like answering a knock at the door? just being polite ya know, there is no judgement one way or the other until you open your mouth

00:18:26 ben_vulpes: altcoins are retarded, you're going to get prodded when you show up here pumping them.

00:18:32 ben_vulpes: big whoop.

00:18:45 SuchWow: cazalla: i've been upped over a dozen times here, thanks

00:19:01 SuchWow: it was not my idea to bring up altcoins in the discussion

00:19:12 SuchWow: someone asked who i was, i reminded them, and then you started in with ur bullshit

00:19:18 SuchWow: doesn't bother me at all tho tbh

00:19:21 ben_vulpes: heh. but you're here! who could resist taking a shot!

00:19:25 SuchWow: :D

00:19:26 ben_vulpes: > ur bullshit

00:19:29 ben_vulpes: > doesn't bother me

00:19:31 ben_vulpes: mhhhhhhhm

00:19:39 SuchWow: well i'll be more clear

00:19:46 SuchWow: implying that i have knowledge of what he was saying

00:19:48 SuchWow: is the bullshit part

00:19:56 SuchWow: what he actually said cold be true,, i woudln't know lol

00:19:58 ben_vulpes: we all do is the funny part

00:20:12 SuchWow: i just saw one of your 'members' spamming in another chan

00:20:14 ben_vulpes: we're all complicit in the altcoin pump and dump nao!

00:20:20 SuchWow: and said 'hey, why not see what they'er up to'

00:20:29 ben_vulpes: winding up altcoiners, today

00:20:35 cazalla: SuchWow, you're the one that said check out the charts.. i did and btc38 is supposedly 85% of the dogecoin trade

00:20:35 SuchWow: since btc has returned to volatility again

00:20:45 SuchWow: and i l ike to trade 796 at 50:1 instead of playing poker these days

00:20:48 mircea_popescu: lol what, the proposition is that dogecoin still exists ?!

00:21:02 SuchWow: cazalla: pretty sure cryptsy is still #1, but haven't checked honestly

00:21:20 SuchWow: cazalla: my comment was more about you saying doge had been 'put to sleep'

00:21:30 SuchWow: when in reality it has returned close to 400% recently

00:21:33 cazalla: pretty sure but haven't checked.. ok sorta makes sense why you'd be involved in dogecoin to begin with

00:21:43 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "i thought i killed it a year ago!"

00:21:51 SuchWow: cazalla: there you go again. Why do you think i am involved with dogecoin?

00:22:01 SuchWow: you keep using that as an insult

00:22:06 SuchWow: but i'm not involved with dogecoin

00:22:10 SuchWow: and haven't been for a long time

00:22:11 cazalla: SuchWow, you brought it up by bragging about being a founder of #dogecoin (wow, such bragworthy, not)

00:22:19 ben_vulpes: you're not anyone, how could you be involved with anything...

00:22:22 SuchWow: so keep on with that delusiohn. it would seem YOU know more than ME about it lol

00:22:29 SuchWow: cazalla: i was asked 'who are you again'

00:22:32 SuchWow: i answered

00:22:34 SuchWow: that's it

00:22:36 SuchWow: the rest wqas you

00:22:39 ben_vulpes: SuchWow: yeah who are you actually

00:22:41 SuchWow: dealwithit.jpg

00:22:55 williamdunne: SuchWow: You mentioned the dogecoin thing, I also assumed you're still involved

00:22:55 cazalla: umad.gif

00:23:06 SuchWow: well

00:23:11 SuchWow: 6 months ago when i was last here

00:23:11 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8p818rhXu1qm11cfo1_500.gif << actual gif.

00:23:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBqsVv )

00:23:22 SuchWow: that was what/who everyone knew me as

00:23:28 SuchWow: that is generally my reputation

00:23:28 cazalla: SuchWow, being involved in dogecoin at some point is not something you go around bragging

00:23:33 SuchWow: clearly it rings a bell to none of you

00:23:39 SuchWow: and you just keep asking me over and over lol

00:23:43 ben_vulpes: i tried to short it once

00:23:50 ben_vulpes: but i'm retarded so

00:23:51 SuchWow: i'm not bragging? i was answering a question asked of me

00:23:54 SuchWow: y'all dense as fuck

00:24:05 SuchWow: THAT is what (if anything) you would remember me from

00:24:12 SuchWow: and if you didn't want to know

00:24:15 SuchWow: you shouldn't have asked

00:24:18 SuchWow: hostile crowd here

00:24:32 mircea_popescu: well yeah.

00:24:37 cazalla: there is no hostility, you're just a little touchy

00:24:45 SuchWow: I'm the touchy one? LOL!!

00:24:46 ben_vulpes: lighten up

00:24:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00042231 = 3.7797 BTC [+]

00:24:51 mircea_popescu: ^

00:24:54 SuchWow: ok club

00:25:00 SuchWow: i've answered all of your questions

00:25:05 ben_vulpes: not really - who are you?

00:25:07 SuchWow: despite being accused of shit for doing so

00:25:12 SuchWow: nobody has answered my questions tho

00:25:13 SuchWow: lol

00:25:19 mircea_popescu: !rate SuchWow 1 answered all questions, still no idea who he is.

00:25:19 assbot: SuchWow is not registered in WoT.

00:25:22 mircea_popescu: oh.

00:25:25 ben_vulpes: aw what a shame.

00:25:39 mircea_popescu: !s suchwow

00:25:40 assbot: 263 results for 'suchwow' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=suchwow

00:25:42 ben_vulpes: try again in six months?

00:25:46 SuchWow: wut?

00:25:50 SuchWow: you don't read do you lol

00:26:07 SuchWow: [20:11:46] <+SuchWow> and i've never been interested

00:26:09 SuchWow: [20:11:49] <+SuchWow> in bot trust games lol

00:26:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806031

00:26:10 assbot: Logged on 23-08-2014 07:41:30; SuchWow: i've NEVER ONCE talked here lol\

00:26:11 mircea_popescu: ok.

00:26:14 SuchWow: not here, not -otc

00:26:19 SuchWow: yet i trade successfully for 2 years

00:26:23 SuchWow: without these things lol

00:26:33 ben_vulpes: so?

00:26:35 mircea_popescu: so ? people cook successfully without running water and things

00:26:37 mircea_popescu: in nigeria.

00:26:37 cazalla: i can hold my breath under water for 30 seconds..

00:26:40 SuchWow: anyhow i will restate why i joined this chan again

00:26:49 ben_vulpes: why?

00:26:53 SuchWow: one of your 'members' spammed an ad in another chan to join here

00:27:00 mircea_popescu: who where ?

00:27:01 SuchWow: i remembered being active here long ago

00:27:05 SuchWow: and decided to rejoin

00:27:16 SuchWow: upon joining, i asked what the current sentiment of btc was here

00:27:21 SuchWow: and then all this doge shit started up

00:27:23 ben_vulpes: oh that

00:27:27 ben_vulpes: "grumpy" i'd say

00:27:32 ben_vulpes: boost is all fucked up

00:27:40 mircea_popescu: SuchWow http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/#selection-101.0-103.32 read that.

00:27:41 assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdZQx4 )

00:27:51 cazalla: SuchWow, so you gonna paint the #b-a fence, wax the #b-a floor or wut?

00:27:56 SuchWow: from #bitcoin-pricetalk today: [17:47:39] <SevenX> join #bitcoin-assets

00:27:57 ben_vulpes: bitbet just lost a few months of profit

00:28:00 ben_vulpes: uh

00:28:13 mircea_popescu: !s sevenx

00:28:13 assbot: 0 results for 'sevenx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sevenx

00:28:16 mircea_popescu: o.O

00:28:22 ben_vulpes: oh but we have a new rss bot that's new

00:28:24 SuchWow: ben_vulpes: i feel ya, grumpy seems about right

00:28:30 mircea_popescu: the things that happen in the internets truck make me feel old and out of touch

00:28:47 SuchWow: and yes, i get this chan is professional, and above my head, that's why i left lol

00:28:54 mircea_popescu: so go play eulora

00:28:54 ben_vulpes: and i guess is deedbot new since you last were here?

00:28:59 SuchWow: again, it was just the spam that made me come back and say hi :)

00:28:59 mircea_popescu: no wait nm, need a rating for that.

00:29:06 ben_vulpes: aha zing

00:29:10 SuchWow: i really never was a super active participant

00:29:15 SuchWow: just a newb tryna learn :)

00:29:22 ben_vulpes: no man i have this remembory

00:29:24 ben_vulpes: of like

00:29:25 ben_vulpes: doge

00:29:30 mircea_popescu: lmao.

00:29:35 SuchWow: bitcoin is enough tho, adding securities on top of that, out of my league haha :)

00:29:59 SuchWow: doge recent performance has been pretty amazing tho

00:29:59 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:30:04 SuchWow: and i say that from an outside perspective

00:30:05 mod6: check out the /topic & read at least 6 months of logs.

00:30:07 SuchWow: got a real jobj 9 months ago

00:30:10 mircea_popescu: nbews in past 6 months : s.mpoe almost went to shit but recovered, i lost the berkshire bet, s.mg launched eulora, s.nsa's phuctor delivered 60 or so broken rsa moduli

00:30:11 SuchWow: work WAY too much to trade anymore

00:30:16 mircea_popescu: there's actually a LOT

00:30:26 SuchWow: nice lol

00:30:28 ben_vulpes: oh yeah mp lost the berkshire bet

00:30:29 mircea_popescu: deedbot came online,

00:30:39 SuchWow: anyhow i'll poof after the up goes down

00:30:47 SuchWow: is good to know y'all are still here and srs about shit

00:30:55 mircea_popescu: we got that lawsky schmuck fired,

00:30:56 ben_vulpes: don't go!

00:30:59 SuchWow: that in and of itself kinda answers my original question

00:31:06 mircea_popescu: gavin got shot in the head, cusipzzz got exposed

00:31:08 ben_vulpes: we're still regaling you with our victories

00:31:11 mircea_popescu: jesus god it's pages of shit.

00:31:12 SuchWow: right but

00:31:15 SuchWow: when will the bitcoin regs

00:31:21 SuchWow: be published in the weekly journal or whatev

00:31:22 ben_vulpes: !s cusipzzz

00:31:22 assbot: 14 results for 'cusipzzz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cusipzzz

00:31:24 SuchWow: that's what i can't figure out

00:31:31 SuchWow: lol cuspizzz

00:31:33 SuchWow: i do like that guy

00:31:34 mircea_popescu: qntra is older than 6 months no ?

00:31:38 SuchWow: mr 'weekend tank'

00:31:50 ben_vulpes: SuchWow: you volunteering to summarize the court's proceedings?

00:31:51 SuchWow: srsly tho, only thing i can find

00:31:52 ben_vulpes: aha

00:31:52 mircea_popescu: barelky older.

00:31:55 ben_vulpes: deedbot lol

00:31:58 SuchWow: is that nydfs is final once published

00:32:00 SuchWow: in that weekly register

00:32:04 SuchWow: when will that happen?

00:32:07 mircea_popescu: SuchWow nobody asked them anything.

00:32:10 ben_vulpes: who cares

00:32:19 SuchWow: everyone in btcland should?

00:32:27 SuchWow: because if rumors about china banning are relevant

00:32:34 SuchWow: than ACTUAL FACTS about regulation should be pertinent?

00:32:37 ben_vulpes: by the time the usg realizes that there's a btc-shaped train headed its way it will be too late for it to do anything.

00:32:43 mircea_popescu: i dun think you understand how teh btcworld works.

00:32:47 ben_vulpes: naw it'll be great SuchWow

00:32:57 ben_vulpes: we'll get to see btc users go to town on china

00:32:57 SuchWow: i think nobody knows the answer to my question lol

00:32:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15576 @ 0.00041577 = 6.476 BTC [-] {2}

00:33:19 *: ben_vulpes chants "hash by hand. hash by hand."

00:33:21 SuchWow: and if nobody here knows that answer, than that tells me what i need to know lol

00:33:30 ben_vulpes: bitcoin-assets aka bitcoin doomsday cult

00:33:32 SuchWow: (i just trade btc/usd on 796 at 50:1 for gambling purposes)

00:33:35 SuchWow: way more fun than poker

00:33:41 ben_vulpes: repeat!

00:33:51 mircea_popescu: "main calls AppInit, which itself calls AppInit2 catching all exceptions in two seperate logic branches, shuting itself down if the second layer of AppInit doesn't fire correctly:"

00:33:52 SuchWow: i'm currently bullish, after a LONG time of being bearish

00:33:55 mircea_popescu: for crying out loud.

00:34:01 SuchWow: hence why i was curious as to the general sentiment here

00:34:08 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what!?

00:34:25 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i just keep forgetting the horrest parts of bitcoin

00:34:38 ben_vulpes: it almost looks normal now

00:34:40 ben_vulpes: weep for me

00:34:42 mircea_popescu: then go through these phases of he's kidding no wait, wait, i recall this. but it couldn't be. o yes it is.

00:35:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43996 @ 0.00041263 = 18.1541 BTC [-] {3}

00:35:51 mircea_popescu: mysterious BDB shenanigans on application shutdown << it doesn't have atomic index operations. which means, that it can has updated index but unupdated data.

00:35:53 SuchWow: i ofc assume that sentimentality on btc prices affects the securities tradded with it lol

00:35:57 mircea_popescu: at least that's what i understand of it.

00:38:23 ben_vulpes: ah CAddrDB("cr+").LoadAddresses(); i missed you

00:38:25 SuchWow: Anyhow, it's been a pleasure speaking with you all, and should I ever quit my job and start daytrading BTC/USD fulltime again, I will return. I will give back the last 2 minutes I have of being 'upped' to the floor. :)

00:38:37 mircea_popescu: cheers.

00:38:41 ben_vulpes: you were keeping track?

00:38:49 *: SuchWow pours shots for everyone before he goes

00:38:52 ben_vulpes: this was a deliberately orchestrated event!

00:38:54 mircea_popescu: "Even though the application's default behavior is to create the ~/.bitcoind directory itself unprompted (and yet not the bitcoin.conf file that the damn thing expects in there), if you pass it a data directory that doesn't exist, it refuses to create it."

00:38:56 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

00:38:56 ben_vulpes: i feel hoodwinked.

00:38:57 mircea_popescu: o god.

00:39:39 ben_vulpes: i'm getting lazy with pronouns.

00:39:54 ben_vulpes: but it's hard to write well wearing asbestos gloves.

00:40:06 mircea_popescu: Bitcoind as written would be the best possible example of condescending software design if it were worthy of being called "designed" instead of "crufted together by a monotonically increasingly febrile group of contributors". << i can sign that.


00:40:16 ben_vulpes: oh fuck off

00:40:18 ben_vulpes: !down SuchWow

00:40:40 mircea_popescu: ./proggy -? << iirc this is the old ms-dos standard.

00:40:54 mircea_popescu: because it had to be different from the -h convention

00:40:56 ben_vulpes: the cover

00:40:59 ben_vulpes: it is so complete

00:41:15 mircea_popescu: hm ?

00:41:17 ben_vulpes: visual basic

00:41:21 ben_vulpes: old ms-dos cli flags

00:41:27 ben_vulpes: targeting windows

00:41:30 mircea_popescu: lol

00:41:38 ben_vulpes: it's almost convincing

00:41:41 mircea_popescu: yeah

00:42:16 mircea_popescu: certainly nobody still young enough to pick up chicks would know wtf -?

00:42:49 mircea_popescu: (and no, i'm not an exception - i have to have the chicks pick up chicks for me!)

00:43:45 ben_vulpes: poor old man

00:43:53 ben_vulpes: poor, poor you

00:44:18 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw, as a matter of course articles like that should contain a "this is how you get your system to reproduce my screenshots" thing, with emacs settings etc.

00:44:38 mircea_popescu: help people learn the shit you use makes more people use the shit you use makes you less likely to have to learn shit other people use.

00:45:07 ben_vulpes: e for student

00:45:13 ben_vulpes: exercise*

00:45:35 mircea_popescu: it doth not have the great degree of generality that a good exercise makes.

00:45:51 ben_vulpes: M-x gdb

00:45:58 ben_vulpes: okay okay

00:48:28 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and yet, author knows enough to use strprintf rather than any other of the countless vulnerable c string things

00:48:34 mircea_popescu: in which aspect c is very much like php

00:48:49 mircea_popescu: ( http://locklessinc.com/articles/dynamic_cstrings/ for the curious )

00:48:50 assbot: Dynamic Strings in C ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBrSiV )

00:54:25 ben_vulpes: does argue for a rather sophisticated greybeard

00:54:51 ben_vulpes: the most elaborate programming exercise - write something world-changing in a style nobody would ever attribute to you

00:55:53 mircea_popescu: myeah. it just doesn't wash, half the "expert" population of c-ers doesn't actually comprehend c string safety

00:55:56 mircea_popescu: (admitting such exists)

00:59:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes incidentally is http://cascadianhacker.com/headers/headlights.jpg a muntz rocket ?

00:59:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBsyF5 )

01:01:21 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/26_just-another-day-in-sunny-cascadia.html << nice job.

01:01:22 assbot: just another day in sunny cascadia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBsFQN )

01:01:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:01:24 ben_vulpes: muntz the car brand or muntz the guy who made TVs?

01:01:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00040941 = 12.3232 BTC [-] {5}

01:02:05 ben_vulpes: either way, no

01:02:54 ben_vulpes: unless you're making a sophisticated joke about horsepower and snipping arbitrary cables...

01:04:09 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he also made a car.

01:04:20 mircea_popescu: like 1000 or so ever made. valuable antique now

01:04:53 mircea_popescu: http://onlytruecars.com/data_images/models/muntz-jet/muntz-jet-01.jpg

01:04:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBsMMr )

01:05:24 mircea_popescu: but yeah, doesn't actually look like it

01:07:31 mircea_popescu: !up ahmed_

01:07:54 ben_vulpes: yeah, i was looking at that.

01:08:01 ahmed_: ty

01:08:47 ben_vulpes: pretty

01:09:11 mircea_popescu: ahmed_ sure. who're you ?

01:09:16 mircea_popescu: not the dead terrorist i hope ?

01:09:18 ben_vulpes: heh - onlytruecars.com does redirect shenanigans

01:09:21 ahmed_: hahahahahah

01:09:26 ahmed_: nopeee

01:09:32 ben_vulpes: hm

01:09:33 ahmed_: just a fellow bitcoin user

01:09:40 ben_vulpes: who /is/ running a public node?

01:09:47 ahmed_: i am

01:09:49 mircea_popescu: "i'm the live terrorist, mutha! PEW PEW PEW!!!"

01:10:03 ben_vulpes: wcgw

01:10:15 mircea_popescu: ;;ud what vulps said

01:10:17 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Palintology&page=2 | It is believed they held a peculiarly close relationship with the species vulpes ... A mindset which doesn't allow someone to stop saying the same things over and ...

01:10:23 mircea_popescu: palintology. clearly.

01:10:33 ben_vulpes: "what could go wrong"

01:11:11 ben_vulpes: anyways these newly muntzed nodes dun wanna connect to anything off of irc

01:11:40 mircea_popescu: what's in the log ?

01:11:54 mircea_popescu: (it is possibru nothing much still runs on irc)

01:12:47 ben_vulpes: not much useful. standard boot up and then silence.

01:13:01 ben_vulpes: hm.

01:13:05 mircea_popescu: does it attempt to connect to anything ?

01:13:20 mircea_popescu: nmap it

01:14:37 mircea_popescu: wireshark it

01:14:39 mircea_popescu: SPY ON IT!!1

01:16:32 cazalla: chark is hongry

01:17:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19945 @ 0.00040649 = 8.1074 BTC [-] {2}

01:24:30 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxUxe9hFU_M

01:24:31 assbot: [VICE] presents-- *Nug Up or Shut Up* --...(real Joe Rogan selfsuck Humiliation Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5AGjk )

01:29:16 ben_vulpes: i'm trying to reason about it first.

01:29:29 ben_vulpes: reasoning about software?

01:29:31 ben_vulpes: BIG MISTAKE

01:30:08 ben_vulpes: on the topic of the cost of complexity tossed in because someone doesn't understand things

01:30:28 mircea_popescu: beat it first.

01:30:30 mod6: ben_vulpes: what version & patches & os?

01:30:34 mircea_popescu: reason comes after tears.

01:31:01 ben_vulpes: now i have to load the IRC protocol up into my head to figure out precisely how it's derivsupposed to turn IRC connections into peers

01:31:06 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7wczaIQqx1ryqodxo1_1280.jpg << here's the famous hyperborean stone whale. speshul for cazalla

01:31:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5AS2j )

01:31:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just looks at hostnames from /who list and spams them

01:31:28 ben_vulpes: mod6: everything up through thermonyuuke

01:31:33 mod6: ah

01:31:39 mircea_popescu: also scarfs up join messages.

01:31:46 mod6: ben_vulpes: & ubuntu?

01:32:44 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i like em thick but maybe not that big (i'd still hit it)

01:32:59 mircea_popescu: me2

01:33:46 cazalla: if i can see ribs when she reaches for the sky, she needs a good meal before we bang

01:34:08 cazalla: mind you, this is all theory, i've been banging the same tired old hole for years

01:35:56 mircea_popescu: ribs are notbad either.

01:36:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10055 @ 0.0004042 = 4.0642 BTC [-]

01:36:05 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8gcpfNwkx1rb2yujo1_1280.png example.

01:36:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ita4Vk )

01:36:31 mod6: re: slutennis "Wouldn't you watch a sport like that ?" << f yes.

01:37:04 mircea_popescu: haha!

01:37:12 mircea_popescu: ikr ?

01:37:21 mod6: for sure.

01:37:26 mircea_popescu: pay per view!

01:38:01 mod6: *nod*

01:38:20 mircea_popescu: people^H preachin' retards keep getting in the way of women doing the soirt of shit that'd make them awesome.

01:38:33 mircea_popescu: i guarantee you nobody's saying anything to the slutennis champ but "ma'am"

01:38:51 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i mean something like this where you see the rib cage under the titties http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/29/2451CDB900000578-2890613-image-m-146_1419893680953.jpg

01:38:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5Btkj )

01:39:11 mod6: foxtail would command respect for sure.

01:39:15 mircea_popescu: cazalla the problem with her is that no tits. if she had d+ knockers the ribcage'd be a +

01:39:41 mircea_popescu: mod6 and the thing is, that arrangement'd pretty much kill anyone but a young woman.

01:39:51 mircea_popescu: sweat to death in that casing. plus fucking heels.

01:40:23 mod6: yeah, that shoes might be the problem. but... war is hell.

01:40:53 mod6: :D

01:41:38 mod6: girls would have to do cart-wheels to get to a ball on the otherside of the court as opposed to running.

01:42:02 mircea_popescu: holy shit prolly.

01:42:23 mircea_popescu: they'd need special "always ready" cartwheel gloves

01:42:32 mircea_popescu: to protect fingers while doing it with a raquet

01:42:43 mod6: ah, yeah. hmm. didn't consider that.

01:42:59 mircea_popescu: nuts tho. i hadn't realised cartwheels'd necessarily be a big part.

01:43:49 mircea_popescu: in other news, i still dunno what event to do next for eulora.

01:43:57 mod6: the skirts could have a quick "clasp" or some sort of attachment mechinism to keep hands free while cart-wheeling.

01:44:37 cazalla: mircea_popescu, but how many skinny girls have D+ cups? (natural not implants with a gap larger than my front fucking teeth)

01:44:50 mod6: oh I vote for the trip to magial places on the island.

01:45:02 mircea_popescu: cazalla few. but man...

01:46:27 cazalla: creating a bitbet.. micon cops a plea deal.. does anyone think prior to 2016 is a fair time scale?

01:46:42 mircea_popescu: he definitely will tho. who's gonna bet against you

01:48:37 cazalla: who knows.. and he might plea but not agree to do so this year

01:49:43 ben_vulpes: mod6: ya, tis ubuntu

01:50:51 mircea_popescu: mebbe i guess

01:59:36 ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc

01:59:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5CFUO )

01:59:49 mircea_popescu: just about.

02:00:31 ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?

02:01:07 mircea_popescu: replace the file where bitcoin saves its nodes with your own preference.

02:01:09 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/ayeowch/bitnodes << perhaps...

02:01:11 assbot: ayeowch/bitnodes · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5CKYN )

02:02:48 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sorry, unclear. scripts for crawling/pinging nodes.

02:03:33 mircea_popescu: what's wrong with alf's ?

02:04:08 ben_vulpes: that one on the list?

02:04:27 mircea_popescu: well yeah

02:04:37 ben_vulpes: i dunno man i just like reading a bunch of different approaches

02:04:40 mircea_popescu: esp if you wish to compare stuff to its results or w/e

02:05:08 mircea_popescu: chrome is seriously taking over the internets.

02:05:16 mircea_popescu: we're getting another microsoft over here.

02:05:21 trinque: big time

02:05:51 mircea_popescu: yeah.

02:06:01 trinque: can be amusing to think of chrome as a google rootkit

02:06:17 trinque: rather than competing with microsoft or apple in the OS space, they just snuck their way in with their own OS

02:06:17 mircea_popescu: i see it ~40%. with the next two TOGETHER at 40%.

02:06:25 mircea_popescu: yep

02:06:50 mircea_popescu: definitely got it. and im sure some idiot "woman in tech" a la carly fiorina is going to bring a shittier apple itunes store on it

02:07:11 trinque: read some article where they said this is *precisely* what WebAssembly is

02:07:20 trinque: an answer to the app store thing from google

02:07:29 trinque: even though yeah, they've got the android one

02:08:13 mircea_popescu: android thing was just a decoy.

02:08:41 mats: plus side, crimeware never escapes the sandbox.

02:09:03 mircea_popescu: minus side, nothing other than crimeware's worth doing anymore.

02:09:14 ben_vulpes: ALL SOFTWARE IS CRIMEWARE

02:09:23 mats: rude

02:09:25 ben_vulpes: COWER CITIZENS

02:11:57 trinque: to think, people will be able to play oculus angry birds right from facebook

02:12:04 trinque: and they say progress is dead

02:12:55 mats: anybody have any idea wtf this reactive programming stuff is

02:13:00 trinque: https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/457390734_640.jpg

02:13:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5Dihm )

02:13:02 mats: and plz no buzz words

02:13:34 mircea_popescu: mats mostly "oo v2.0"

02:14:25 mats: oo as in... object oriented?

02:15:15 mircea_popescu: yeah. the previous buzzword wankatron

02:18:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10145 @ 0.00040319 = 4.0904 BTC [-]

02:23:27 BingoBoingo: Have yet another new-old machine

02:24:24 BingoBoingo: 2009 vintage acer laptop, single core amd 64 proccessor 3GB ram.... Disadvantages: Huge

02:26:29 mircea_popescu: "advantages : vibrates pleasantly"

02:26:52 BingoBoingo: advantage: was free

02:27:12 mircea_popescu: can't argue with that.

02:27:22 BingoBoingo: ascquaintance was moving and did not want to move this HUGE thing

02:28:41 asciilifeform: ;;late tell ben_vulpes what happened to posting debug.log

02:28:41 gribble: Error: "late" is not a valid command.

02:28:45 asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes what happened to posting debug.log

02:28:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:28:48 mircea_popescu: a too big to move laptop.

02:29:57 BingoBoingo: Well, he's moving into his girlfriend's place and long ago she bought him a bunch of Apple shit to replace it so indeed too big to move laptop

02:31:00 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pardon?

02:31:05 cazalla: come with a hdd? burn it with fire BingoBoingo lol

02:31:06 ben_vulpes: oh, you want to see debug.log

02:31:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i see in the logs where you had a node fail to snarf seed from the old irc

02:31:42 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Looks like the original 160 GB hard drive. I'll probably end up applicancing it into a node

02:32:52 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171410 << 'chrome' (or, more practically, the open-source trimmable version 'chromium') is the only remaining graphical browser for unixlikes that isn't screamingly retarded

02:32:52 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:05:08; mircea_popescu: chrome is seriously taking over the internets.

02:33:09 trinque: asciilifeform: still comes with tasty binary treats, apparently

02:33:12 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3GFCEPM

02:33:14 assbot: dpaste: 3GFCEPM ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYn5sO )

02:33:15 trinque: or at least they're leaking through

02:33:20 asciilifeform: trinque: that's what the shears are for

02:33:35 asciilifeform: trinque: also help to run on weird archs

02:34:08 ben_vulpes: the irc "logic" is mind-numbingly dumb

02:34:35 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: be so kind as to try an experiment. ping the box whose hostname i snipped out. notice - not same ip. replace ip in irc.cpp with this. then run.

02:34:55 ben_vulpes: i actually did not notice this.

02:35:00 asciilifeform: i noticed.

02:35:06 ben_vulpes: ahaha i am so dumb.

02:35:22 ben_vulpes: no, i noticed the snip. i figured smarts were involves.

02:35:25 ben_vulpes: involved*.

02:37:14 asciilifeform: l0l smarts

02:37:32 asciilifeform: farts.

02:38:28 *: asciilifeform reads the latest two articles from ben_vulpes

02:39:03 ben_vulpes: you'll not find much in there.

02:40:54 BingoBoingo: At least will find nice headlights in the header

02:41:06 asciilifeform: mega-vroom

02:41:52 asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who owns old cars and frequents mechanics would have to be blind to suggest that usd is not palpably inflating

02:45:05 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170972 << btw, anybody got a handy link to what precisely generates the message seen here ?

02:45:05 assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 21:18:37; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0RT585M.txt << still getting calls to getaddrinfo it looks like

02:45:21 asciilifeform: as in, is this a hardcoded idiocy in gcc proper ? its linker ? where ?

02:45:34 asciilifeform: a #pragma in glibc ?

02:46:31 asciilifeform: btw, i found our shitgnome: http://www.akkadia.org/drepper/no_static_linking.html

02:46:32 assbot: Static Linking Considered Harmful ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYonUC )

02:46:49 asciilifeform: !s drepper

02:46:50 assbot: 4 results for 'drepper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=drepper

02:46:53 trinque: !up fartacus

02:47:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu awake ?

02:47:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00041125 = 14.5583 BTC [+]

02:47:25 fartacus: ben_vulpes: this beirc seems like another one of those "hey cool, made something that works in clim. I think I'll go get a job now" projects

02:47:44 ben_vulpes: lol hi fartacus

02:47:49 trinque: I'm fartacus!

02:48:36 fartacus: thing wasn't even showing chan text without switching out of and back into the buffer

02:48:44 fartacus: but I bet it's sexy under the hood

02:49:23 ben_vulpes: ahaha

02:49:47 ben_vulpes: or if anyone gave a shit and implemented it on allegro it might work

02:50:07 ben_vulpes: but who's going to implement a clim irc client on allegro

02:50:21 ben_vulpes: p sure we all have vastly better things to be doing

02:50:25 asciilifeform: closed-source toolchains can go die in a fire

02:50:57 *: asciilifeform and has used allegro, and knows that it is, overall, superior in every way (but this) to the available alternatives

02:51:35 thestringpuller: too many softwares named allegra

02:51:38 thestringpuller: allegro*

02:51:42 asciilifeform: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/134400 << as i understand, drepper 'did it'

02:51:42 assbot: Bug #134400 “glibc do not really static compile my project.” : Bugs : glibc package : Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hmSN )

02:52:00 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: better in every way but source-open-ness?

02:52:04 asciilifeform: aha

02:52:06 thestringpuller: http://alleg.sourceforge.net/ << asciilifeform is the 2nd result from google, assuming you guise are talking about lisp

02:52:14 thestringpuller: but i am assuming*

02:52:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00040389 = 17.9327 BTC [-] {4}

02:52:36 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ~nothing whatsoever~ to do with allegro common lisp (franz inc.)

02:52:40 asciilifeform: which was the subject here

02:52:53 asciilifeform: (very confusingly, there was also a 'franz lisp')

02:53:20 asciilifeform: http://franz.com/products/allegrocl << vendor page

02:53:21 assbot: Allegro Common Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hDoQ )

02:54:19 asciilifeform: http://franz.com/success << claimed endorsements. notably absent from list is usg, who i have strong reasons to believe is the main buyer.

02:54:21 assbot: Franz Inc: Allegro Common Lisp and Common Lisp Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hO3B )

02:54:45 ben_vulpes: same is true for the major haskell shops.

02:54:54 *: asciilifeform personally requisitioned an allegro license & support contract while under usg banners

02:55:03 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and how was it?

02:55:21 asciilifeform: spiffy.

02:56:02 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: USG is on that list plenty of times.

02:56:39 asciilifeform: hm, it is, isn't it.

02:57:12 BingoBoingo: Indeed, under many pretexts including a lab with explicit Air Force connection

02:57:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.

03:00:01 asciilifeform: http://ninjalj.blogspot.com/2011/11/your-own-linker-warnings-using-gnu.html << how gcc does linker warnings.

03:00:17 asciilifeform: (some fella went and dug)

03:00:31 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Todd replace by fee patch is probably derp to hell, but it leads to some of the best Hearnia trolling outside this channel https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/612780261109960704

03:01:25 BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"

03:01:39 asciilifeform: what even was this?

03:01:53 *: asciilifeform does not, sadly, have time to personally follow all of the crackpotteries

03:02:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hearn and Co are pushing some derp where "Those Bitcoins are yours even before the transaction is mined" idiocies

03:02:31 asciilifeform: how does it (claim to) work ?

03:03:11 ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs

03:03:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:

03:03:22 BingoBoingo: faith

03:03:32 ben_vulpes: nevermind that nothing keeps people from selecting transactions for block inclusion arbitrarily

03:03:40 BingoBoingo: The Tood thing works through pure profit incentive

03:03:55 ben_vulpes: myeah, and miners should really be doing it already

03:04:16 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo: what is so peculiar about including whatever transaction fee? this was always possible ..?

03:04:16 ben_vulpes: it is in no way to the best of my knowledge a change in anything of import

03:04:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's basically just Peter Todd made the first public code available to do this

03:04:55 asciilifeform: to do what?

03:05:02 ben_vulpes: convention for a long time was that "the earliest broadcast transaction wins" as some sort of half-assed soft-connsensus-aka-fecal-matter prophylactic against double spends

03:05:03 BingoBoingo: Select for fees

03:05:08 BingoBoingo: on the same inputs

03:05:10 asciilifeform: i don't get it. anyone was already able to specify arbitrarily high fee

03:05:35 *: asciilifeform sorta assumed that miners already optimize for snarfing up max fee

03:05:42 BingoBoingo: Indeed, but whatever fee maximizing patches miners and pools were running for were like most serious pool code... seekrit

03:05:48 asciilifeform: if they don't, they are fools, and it isn't any fault of mine

03:06:05 asciilifeform: let me guess:

03:06:09 ben_vulpes: prefer transactions with high fees over transactions with low fees

03:06:13 asciilifeform: shitgang is trying to push a 'for miners' version of turdcoin ?

03:06:23 ben_vulpes: it's about inclusion logic after transactions got broadcast

03:06:24 BingoBoingo: Apparently enough pools though were on derp and herp choosing "see first mine first"

03:06:26 asciilifeform: aimed to replace 'seekrit miner versions'

03:06:37 BingoBoingo: Pretty much

03:06:59 asciilifeform: unsurprising

03:07:09 ben_vulpes: me too

03:07:09 ben_vulpes: look how dumb we are

03:07:57 asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'

03:08:40 ben_vulpes: clearly don't understand how theWerld Werks (tm)

03:10:10 asciilifeform: btw, one of the (not so) secrets is that mining does not select for 'the brightest bulbs at home depot [u.s. household goods shop]' - nor for political acumen, nor for really much else other than the peculiar countereconomic wormholes which make it sound like a reasonable proposition

03:10:49 ben_vulpes: moreover i'm not convinced it wasn't a stooge who broadcast the RBF txn to make the tweet in the first place

03:11:06 ben_vulpes: mining is the worst business.

03:11:15 ben_vulpes: (or so it seems from the outside).

03:11:38 ben_vulpes: maybe its the best busines for pillaging some specific kinds of subsidies?

03:11:42 *: ben_vulpes for bread and cheese

03:12:27 trinque: probably depends on whether you have a relationship with someone making the hardware

03:12:34 *: trinque eyeballs the big chinese mining farms

03:12:53 asciilifeform: mainly on whether you actually pay for the mains current

03:15:54 trinque: yeah obv free power wins

03:17:46 trinque: someone should alias meadenodes.com to xtnodes.com

03:22:07 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171397 << mno. if it's in the channel, it is a live pre-gavin node (OR crafted impostor...)

03:22:07 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 01:59:36; ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc

03:22:30 asciilifeform: but in no case a corpse

03:23:34 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171400 << -addnode=ip

03:23:34 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:00:31; ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?

03:24:13 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/init.cpp#0166

03:24:14 assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnKLZD )

03:24:31 asciilifeform: or do i misunderstand what was being asked for.

03:25:28 BingoBoingo: I am starting to think "Olde Laptop Colo" might make a nice franchised business

03:26:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pre-emplaced in sand pits and fused mains wiring, for the inevitable halt&catchfire ?

03:26:49 asciilifeform: perhaps bury them in the earth (with chimneys for hot air.) sorta like the tombs in recoleta cemetary in buenos aires

03:26:58 asciilifeform: (a surprising number had corpse-gas exhaust pipes!)

03:27:10 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes was there, saw this

03:27:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee which covers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation

03:27:50 asciilifeform: incidentally earth is great for passive cooling

03:27:57 asciilifeform: (if burial is deep enough)

03:28:29 asciilifeform: you will need to seal to keep out moisture, but if repair is not a concern (machine is disposable, replacement gets new burial plot) this is relatively simple matter

03:29:31 asciilifeform: though i still like my proposal for sinking miners to the bottom of the north atlantic, more.

03:29:49 asciilifeform: (go and steal, aha)

03:29:58 BingoBoingo: I'm thinking more steel sheds, rural locations that happen to be near interections of big city fiber. Prospective franchisees would be the local small town "computer repair" folk

03:30:48 asciilifeform: nah, you want to take serious advantage of the expendability

03:31:21 asciilifeform: but in such a way that the box lives out its remaining life, rather than being lifted by the first idiot copper scavenger who comes along.

03:31:44 asciilifeform: (not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged)

03:31:46 BingoBoingo: Sure, but I'm thinking you do so by getting machines from the customers.

03:33:18 BingoBoingo: customer brings boxen, pay setup then power+pipe. Value proposition to franchisees is small town computer outfit gets an avenue to engage in rent collection.

03:34:00 asciilifeform: if box is easily accessible, 'skin not worth the tanning'

03:34:24 asciilifeform: whole point would be the physical security of a few metres of cement

03:35:14 asciilifeform: (it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean)

03:35:26 asciilifeform: see the literature.

03:36:54 asciilifeform: (machine includes vibration, ph, sensors, clinometer, magnetometer, etc. if readings deviate from 'pylon is happily alone in the earth' memory gets zeroed and walked over, continuously)

03:37:40 BingoBoingo: Point for the customers is access to pipe and power off of their own premises. Physical security offered against naive scavengers, but premise could scale to hundreds of locations. Cheap and easily replicable

03:38:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: schmucks in, iirc, germany, doing this already. see logs

03:38:38 asciilifeform: snorefest because this has literally no serious advantage over normal hosting

03:38:59 asciilifeform: (if i wanted a box in some schmuck's house, i'd put it right here in mine)

03:39:36 asciilifeform: but five metres of cement - or 500m of salt water - that would be something.

03:40:42 BingoBoingo: Typical imagined customer is small business that wants to support other local business. Connosieur customer wants access to pipe without fucking up their netflix at home.

03:41:28 asciilifeform: so he would share with ~some other schmuck's~ netflix ?

03:41:46 asciilifeform: this has all the appeal of renting out the toilet in your house as a public latrine

03:42:11 BingoBoingo: lol, yes

03:42:18 asciilifeform: or your kitchen, as a place for bums to cook roadkill in

03:43:07 mats: brb submitting my ycombinator application for this idea

03:43:14 BingoBoingo: mats: Go for it

03:43:37 asciilifeform: 'sharing economy!!11!!1' (tm) (r)

03:44:33 BingoBoingo: Seriously, this has all the promise of a great chumpatron except every now and then a customer does something worthwhile

03:45:36 asciilifeform: btw, my local telco quasimonopoly - 'verizon' - had a hilarious tamer version of this for some years, where you pay a few hundy for a box that opens a vpn to their end and gives you cell signal in your house, via your own net pipe. and they had the audacity to still charge for the 'minutes' and per MB of data.

03:45:55 asciilifeform: as result, the only folks who bought were 1) chumps 2) people who wanted to make own 'stingray'

03:46:26 mats: that's kind of brilliant

03:46:33 asciilifeform: vendor very much did not like (2) and they closed the hole which made reflashing the rom trivial. now you have to actually open the plastic box, oh noez.

03:46:40 mats: for operator, anyway

03:47:16 asciilifeform: who wants - go, buy.

03:47:19 asciilifeform: thing is still sold.

03:47:37 BingoBoingo: femtocel

03:47:38 asciilifeform: http://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/samsung-network-extender-scs-2u01

03:47:41 assbot: Samsung Network Extender (SCS-2U01)- Verizon Wireless ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnOmqs )

03:47:55 asciilifeform: i'm told there are equivalents for other american carriers

03:48:24 BingoBoingo: I think Comcast and a few cableco's do this for wifi

03:51:15 BingoBoingo: Major revenue source for mothership is selling the franchisees laptop cages, cooling, and FeNi batteries

03:52:22 BingoBoingo: Revenue source for franchisee is setting up machines, collecting rent, and selling good feels to the locals

03:52:53 asciilifeform: if the past 40 years of computer retardation hadn't happened, and we used a stack with support for seamless process migration, 'voting circuit' computation, etc. it would be practical to use '1024 chickens' arrays of arbitrarily garbage hardware

03:53:03 asciilifeform: as it is, there is a lower bound for what is worth bothering with at all.

03:53:15 asciilifeform: what, other than bitcoind, would you even consider putting on such a thing

03:54:14 BingoBoingo: Actually this idea was born from I have phree machine, want to appliance it up with Bitcoind, but making it a super public seeder on the home connection would be the suck.

03:54:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8974 @ 0.00039974 = 3.5873 BTC [-] {2}

03:54:46 asciilifeform: rent a cage at data center

03:54:55 asciilifeform: this costs money, so find 40 friends to split it with

03:54:59 BingoBoingo: Other maybe applications of such service though might be IRC bouncers and personal mail machines

03:55:04 asciilifeform: (typically they go by full rack)

03:55:46 BingoBoingo: Which is the beauty of this idea. Find folk who would sell fractional rackspace

03:55:57 BingoBoingo: AirBNB the datacenter

03:56:12 asciilifeform: fractional rack space with terrible hardware already exists

03:56:19 asciilifeform: i have a few boxes like this myself

03:57:02 asciilifeform: thing is, what you're actually paying for is proximity to respectable pipe

03:57:14 asciilifeform: this is not to be found in a residential unit, and certainly not in usa

03:58:02 BingoBoingo: And now we have the real crux of the problem. How to get chumps to subsidize serious pipe

03:58:06 asciilifeform: brings back to a fundamental point from one of mircea_popescu's articles - shuffling things around is not going to increase 'number of turkeys available'

03:58:32 asciilifeform: usa is a shit-internet country. this won't change because there is no good reason for it to change

03:58:43 BingoBoingo: More turkeys is a very hard problem. More chickens is much easier.

03:59:16 asciilifeform: laying cable to nowhere-duelingbajos-fucktown is not an economically +ev proposition.

03:59:27 asciilifeform: places which only even have telephones because usg imposed it

03:59:51 asciilifeform: desovietization will leave those folks where they belong - with highest tech level available being the hog harness

04:00:17 asciilifeform: (hell, possibly whole usa is candidate for this)

04:00:38 BingoBoingo: Mapsploring I am finding a disturbing number of duelingbajos-fucktowns which by all right ought to have datacenters advertising colospace based on cable locations and intersections.

04:01:11 asciilifeform: they probably have cable in cement vault

04:01:21 BingoBoingo: A number of these fucktowns even have major connection endpoints in the form of bezzelversities

04:03:07 asciilifeform: incidentally, just about every american town of any size has a version of this: the hollowed-out fortified walls of the old strowger-switch telco exchanges

04:03:19 asciilifeform: they are being filled up with 'dc on the cheap'

04:03:21 BingoBoingo: Prime candidate for such an operation is carbondale, Illinois. Lived there once. Oasis of connectivity in a desert. Major chicago-New Orleans pipe. Indianapolis pipe. St Louis pipe. Shithole Kentucky pipes. Many hippies who want to "buy local"

04:03:34 asciilifeform: but still largely empty, because in bezzleworld 'cheap' is a relative thing.

04:04:00 asciilifeform: but at no point does it make sense to emplace anything of any value whatsoever in mr. randomschmuck's house.

04:04:06 BingoBoingo: USG datacenters 10 miles away in Marion, IL off of the pipe path because prisons and FBU

04:04:14 asciilifeform: i will have no part in it. and i can't picture any sane person wanting a part in it.

04:05:09 BingoBoingo: Oh I never said house. I said shed. Shed goes on shitland, in town's once industrial district. Preferably a "superfund" site.

04:05:25 asciilifeform: what, again, would you pay actual money to host in such a place ?

04:06:01 BingoBoingo: to host three machines in different locals for the price of one machine in a big city datacenter

04:06:04 asciilifeform: and how does it beat the 20-30bux/mo an old pentium3 in data center costs?

04:06:37 asciilifeform: methinks we're speaking of a 'chinese backyard steel mill' situation here.

04:06:45 asciilifeform: !s backyard steel

04:06:46 assbot: 6 results for 'backyard steel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=backyard+steel

04:07:18 BingoBoingo: AH, in this region there is not such a deal I can drive to. A bring the box colo costs $70 USD for 1 rack unit

04:07:42 BingoBoingo: At half depth

04:08:45 BingoBoingo: I'm trying to think out a way to chump this down to $20 per box

04:09:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that'd easily fit half a dozen of, e.g., these, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162727

04:09:18 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:46:21; trinque: http://www.pcengines.ch/case1c2u.htm << looks great

04:10:11 BingoBoingo: It really would. Or what was that thing which clustered a bunch of opteron slices.

04:11:15 pete_dushenski: self-scoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/21/statelessness-of-fearlessness/

04:11:17 assbot: Statelessness of fearlessness. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdl1jx )

04:11:40 BingoBoingo: But the franchise model was suggested for a reason. When dealing with homo reddictus must put meatshield up to absorb derp.

04:12:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm just at a serious loss to picture how this wins.

04:12:10 pete_dushenski: cazalla: i'm seeing the comment. also, replied. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/19/epidemiology-is-hard-to-follow/#comment-21039

04:12:11 assbot: Epidemiology is hard to follow. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdl7HU )

04:13:34 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity

04:13:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who said it wins? I'm merely suggesting it could take in more dollars than expended. At the moment McDonalds is losing.

04:14:17 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: your blog has a header ! and it's a c-c-c-car !!

04:15:54 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'Sorry, hun, doesn?t work like that. That was the Ambien you took.' << is this the new substitute for lsd ?

04:16:02 asciilifeform: what's it do, specifically ?

04:16:13 asciilifeform: feel like i heard of it before

04:16:16 asciilifeform: (tlp?)

04:16:22 BingoBoingo: Consider college towns. Local population of students who want a seedbox for torrents who can't on the campus network because of network restrictions on. Just need any box they can ftp into.

04:16:37 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: indeed it's from tlp. and it's a sedative.

04:16:46 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ambien makes one trip balls if you stay awake instead of sleeping

04:17:19 pete_dushenski: ambien "It is a short-acting nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic of the imidazopyridine class[3] that potentiates GABA, an inhibitory neurotransmitter, by binding to GABAA receptors at the same location as benzodiazepines.[4] It works quickly, usually within 15 minutes, and has a short half-life of two to three hours."

04:17:40 BingoBoingo: Less LSD alternative and more "robotrip" alternative

04:17:52 asciilifeform: so ghb-like mechanism ?

04:18:09 asciilifeform: robotrip ?

04:19:00 BingoBoingo: ghb like, if GHB were ken shamrock and Ambien Kimbo Slice

04:19:03 *: asciilifeform is very much out of date on dope trivia

04:19:37 pete_dushenski: robotrip sounds like robocop come back from the dead as a walking zombie

04:19:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All"

04:19:49 *: asciilifeform will catch up on dope when he is finally confined to the психушка

04:21:13 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski still awake ?

04:21:24 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski ought to write a piece on the uprising at treblinka.

04:21:38 asciilifeform: (specifically)

04:21:51 pete_dushenski: hm. can't say i know much about it.

04:21:52 asciilifeform: ^ this re: the quoted thread with spandrell

04:22:01 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: have some source material handy ?

04:22:04 asciilifeform: re 'wives & children'

04:22:04 pete_dushenski: aha.

04:22:17 asciilifeform: what languages does pete_dushenski have a command of ?

04:22:17 *: BingoBoingo was prescribed Ambien to sleep in Undergrad. Made the mistake of taking before getting last cigarette of the evening. Ambien can trigger some odd things.

04:23:20 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for translation purposes : french and spanish. the romanian bits i do, awful as they are, are only because mp authored them.

04:24:11 BingoBoingo: Also... get ready for more bearded ladies http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/06/18/aging_as_a_disease.php (female facial hair is most notorious metformin side effect)

04:24:12 assbot: Aging As a Disease. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdm0QG )

04:24:37 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: my recollection (ru sources) is that treblinka was the site of one of the very few uprisings on account of the participants in said uprising having already lost their women

04:24:38 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: what 'odd things' did ambien trigger for you ?

04:25:04 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ah yes, this rings a bell now. probably from the logs.

04:25:08 pete_dushenski: !s treblinka

04:25:09 assbot: 4 results for 'treblinka' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=treblinka

04:25:54 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Mostly it triggered some interesting visual things and a profound compromise in judgement equivalent to a fifth of bourbon, but without the other tell tale warnings actual booze would offer.

04:26:36 asciilifeform: 'At Treblinka, an underground organization plotted an armed rebellion and mass escape. Learning about the Warsaw ghetto revolt from the last transports of Jews brought to Treblinka from Warsaw, the organizers decided the moment for revolt had arrived. On August 2, 1943, the underground fighters put their plan into action: to steal arms from the warehouse; eliminate the German and Ukrainian guards on duty; set the camp on fire;

04:26:36 asciilifeform: destroy the extermination area; and, then help the remaining prisoners escape to the forest. Many were killed during the rebellion, including all the resistance leaders, as the flames and reports of the revolt brought German reinforcements from all directions. But as many as 200 prisoners escaped to the neighboring forest, and perhaps twenty of those men survived German efforts to recapture them.'

04:26:41 asciilifeform: ^ engl. summary

04:27:17 BingoBoingo: If in bed immediately after ambien... much sleep. Problem is I developed tolerance to the stuff rapidly.

04:28:11 pete_dushenski: http://holocaust-history.org/operation-reinhard/uprising-in-treblinka.shtml << firsthand account of one of said 200 escapees.

04:28:14 assbot: Uprising in Treblinka ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdmiXY )

04:28:40 pete_dushenski: written in 1945 and presented before us congress.

04:28:58 asciilifeform: does it mention the interesting detail re: the women ?

04:29:29 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm probably missing some nuances because... a decade ago

04:32:13 trinque: I had a roommate who would sleepwalk on ambien

04:32:24 trinque: started talking to me about the rollercoaster theme park he was at one night

04:32:30 trinque: and other hilarious nonsense

04:33:35 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: just scanned it. account describes particular atrocities against women and babies, but doesn't specifically state that 700 "workers" who staged coup were mostly or entirely men.

04:34:04 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: alcohol sounds more fun.

04:34:12 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It is

04:34:54 BingoBoingo: trinque: The cognitive impairment if I remember correctly is at least equivalent to 750ml of 80 proof liquor

04:35:04 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: that they were men is no surprise of any kind. but the detail i recall was that they were men who either had no wife, no sister, in the camp (or knew that these were safely dead)

04:35:09 trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah I took some for the hell of it

04:35:20 trinque: felt disoriented, confused, but nothing worth repeating

04:36:38 BingoBoingo: A couple years later I was at a conference I wanted to nope the fuck out of, had one left in my grooming package. Challenged the up escalator and lost. Thankfully my (actual) sherpa kept me from falling in the Chicago river

04:38:11 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: spandrell's 'we should stop and think what makes bold people bold, and what patterns are common to people who can fight back' is reasonable observation

04:38:57 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: seems like a tricky and rather specific detail to unearth about treblinka. may be apocryphal ?

04:39:05 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: may be.

04:39:18 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: also ties into mp's "married men should stfu" piece

04:39:43 pete_dushenski: though most don't need to be told this, as spandrell points out.

04:40:08 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ?

04:40:21 asciilifeform: bare courage gives you: zulu.

04:40:29 asciilifeform: charging british 'maxim'

04:41:08 asciilifeform: (there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu)

04:41:50 pete_dushenski: well, strategy's a thing.

04:42:08 pete_dushenski: courage doesn't mean kamikaze in a port-a-potee

04:42:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might disagree

04:42:33 pete_dushenski: perhaps.

04:42:36 asciilifeform: if saturday's thread is anything to go on

04:43:23 pete_dushenski: ok so courage is necessary but not sufficient

04:43:48 pete_dushenski: it's *all* the zulu had

04:44:05 funkenstein_: there may be things in the world not on your map

04:44:36 pete_dushenski: there most certainly are.

04:44:46 funkenstein_: as someone who spend fathers day cleaning shit off lightbulbs, i look forward to the opportunity to disprove the thesis

04:44:48 asciilifeform: if funkenstein_ has a secret map pointing out a kingdom of nuke-wielding zulu, he oughta share.

04:45:02 pete_dushenski: lmao

04:45:29 funkenstein_: they show up in gibson's cyberspace don't they

04:45:32 *: asciilifeform wonders how shit might end up on a light bulb

04:45:35 asciilifeform: own a pet hippo ?

04:45:51 pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: this'd be the thesis that family men have too much to lose to wage war ?

04:46:06 funkenstein_: that's the one

04:46:26 funkenstein_: compare e.g. mao and kai-shek

04:46:39 funkenstein_: at least from the histories i have read

04:46:54 funkenstein_: kai-shek had son captured by russians, was incapacitated

04:47:02 funkenstein_: mao, didn't give a flying fuck about kids

04:47:13 asciilifeform: famously, fate of stalin's son

04:47:14 pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: i suspect that a healthy chunk of b,tmsr~ is equally prepared to prove this wrong.

04:47:47 pete_dushenski: the digital domain being quite a different landscape from the concentration camps, i suspect it's entirely possible.

04:48:06 pete_dushenski: like the deficits that we can run, no one else can do.

04:48:23 asciilifeform: i never grokked that part

04:48:44 asciilifeform: by same argument, e.g., linux, has been running a far bigger 'deficit,' longer

04:48:53 pete_dushenski: difference between voluntary and coerced taxation model is my understanding.

04:48:58 asciilifeform: (are we simply mentally tallying unpaid specialist labour?)

04:49:20 asciilifeform: who was coercively taxed to write linux kernel ?

04:50:37 pete_dushenski: we're mentally tallying 'the state's' revenues vs. expenses

04:50:59 pete_dushenski: revenues are decentalised and therefore 'off the book'

04:51:14 pete_dushenski: expenses are 'for the greater good' and 'on the book'

04:51:24 asciilifeform: just pointing out that herr torvalds could run the same kind of calculation, and end up with similarly fantastic numbers

04:51:40 asciilifeform: of how many armadas could have been bought with the money he never had to pay

04:52:13 asciilifeform: obligatory >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html <<

04:52:14 assbot: Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdo3V5 )

04:52:43 funkenstein_: time to reveal my complete ignorance of lisp

04:52:53 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: read link. not actually about lisp

04:53:20 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: torvalds might do just that if he saw the value of such a calculation and understood the implications

04:53:27 funkenstein_: ah, you are on topic :)

04:53:57 asciilifeform: colour me thick, but i still don't feel like i have a grasp of the implications.

04:55:54 funkenstein_: he feels "tricked" to "give away work"?

04:55:59 pete_dushenski: well you're far from thick and not all that coloured, but the implication is that for an organisation as ambitious as this one, our enemies have their work cut out for them.

04:55:59 asciilifeform: digging up an old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-02-2015#1023860

04:55:59 assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"

04:56:10 asciilifeform: ever wonder how this went away ?

04:56:57 asciilifeform: the original generation of 'computers are interesting and we know basic maths, etc' grew old, mostly did not die yet except in ben franklin's sense of 'most people die at 25 but buried at 75'

04:57:01 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition

04:57:57 pete_dushenski: as such, torvalds won't direct his unpaid armadas towards anything like the targets and projects that mp will.

04:57:59 asciilifeform: but they went into the meatgrinder described in linked naggum piece.

04:58:11 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: my nodes are actually failing to connect to either IP

04:58:26 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mine connect 100%

04:58:43 asciilifeform: anyone else having same experience as ben_vulpes ?

04:58:47 funkenstein_: doing useful work is hardly a meatgrinder

04:58:52 ben_vulpes: i must be cocking this up in some novel way

04:59:08 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: read the naggum piece again.

04:59:45 asciilifeform: esp. the part re: 'is a surplus phenomenon'

05:01:47 funkenstein_: i'm not hugely impressed by his analysis

05:02:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00039824 = 18.5182 BTC [-] {4}

05:02:30 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: would you be willing to share, roughly, how old you are ?

05:02:37 funkenstein_: this might apply to say, nethack coding

05:02:55 funkenstein_: but some things do have needs they address

05:03:14 funkenstein_: probably older than you, just not wiser

05:03:35 funkenstein_: due to various factors you may have already surmised

05:03:50 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: so you oughta be well-equipped to understand the observation re: 'it costs a hell of a lot to live'

05:04:47 funkenstein_: ok i don't know norway.. but i think that needs a bit of sussing out

05:05:16 funkenstein_: he does mention "advanced society?..

05:05:43 asciilifeform: norway was considerably more expensive for naggum than for just about anyone

05:05:52 asciilifeform: on account of how he ended up - literally - taxed to death

05:06:26 funkenstein_: ok that context does help thanks

05:06:46 asciilifeform: (short version: he decided that he could easily live off the consulting pay from working a few months / year. no. gov. decided that he must be secretly working the remainder of the year, and demanded tax, which he could not afford to pay. was driven into penury and died of self-neglect from easily treatable diseases)

05:07:22 funkenstein_: it is an often discussed irony that technology decreases leisure time

05:07:34 asciilifeform: but overall he was, i think, referring to the more prosaic fact that it costs a hell of a lot to ~not live like a 17 y.o. shit~

05:08:06 asciilifeform: that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc

05:08:38 asciilifeform: this is even aside from the expensive things folks sometimes ~choose~ to do when they grow older, like producing children, etc

05:09:01 pete_dushenski: children, traveling, cars, hobbies...

05:09:21 pete_dushenski: it adds up quickly.

05:09:40 asciilifeform: there are other 'costs' that aren't precisely monetary, like the fact that you can't do the 20 years where you became a serious specialist in something - over again

05:10:06 funkenstein_: the travel one rings true.

05:10:07 pete_dushenski: ah yes, 'opportunity costs'

05:11:10 funkenstein_: damn in norway? that is surprising, from what i hear of social system there

05:12:06 funkenstein_: anyway, the irony is that he is.. while complaining about it.. donating his time to write the piece

05:12:15 funkenstein_: for us to discuss here now

05:12:39 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: a usenet post (or, for that matter, me speaking here) is more like a fart

05:12:45 asciilifeform: than 'donated time'

05:13:01 asciilifeform: it doesn't soak up concentration of the kind that is a serious limited resource in a thinking person's day

05:13:07 funkenstein_: useful work

05:13:23 funkenstein_: you can't be serious

05:13:34 asciilifeform: next time you're hungry, try eating this 'useful work'

05:13:38 funkenstein_: i'm sure you dream IRC

05:14:12 funkenstein_: I'll stick with oats and water

05:15:00 funkenstein_: I had a dream, something happenend in channel, and you or someone said "six months! right on schedule"

05:15:23 asciilifeform: wasn't me

05:15:28 funkenstein_: hehe

05:15:33 *: asciilifeform doesn't recall doing the 'six months' thing personally, either

05:15:46 funkenstein_: so it's a thing?

05:16:09 funkenstein_: i mean, past the excellent Yeshiva post

05:16:11 asciilifeform: it was a maxim made up by either mircea_popescu or pete_dushenski (forgot who)

05:16:22 asciilifeform: whereby a n00b 'must read log for 6 mo' before he can make any sense

05:16:29 funkenstein_: :D

05:16:47 funkenstein_: maybe that's what it was

05:16:52 *: asciilifeform is still not certain that he 'makes sense' even today

05:16:57 funkenstein_: lol

05:16:59 *: asciilifeform off to bed

05:17:18 funkenstein_: sleep well

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05:17:42 pete_dushenski: obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/

05:17:43 assbot: IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdpYJ9 )

05:18:05 pete_dushenski: where have the last 15 months gone ?

05:19:12 funkenstein_: maybe we will later complain, we were immature to give away our time? I don't think so.

05:21:08 pete_dushenski: i've personally taken a lot more than i've given, at least intellectually.

05:21:28 pete_dushenski: for that, i've received a hell of a deal.

05:23:21 pete_dushenski: i couldn't imagine having spent the last year and a bit more productively, even if, yes, it wasn't free. but what of value is ?

05:25:28 funkenstein_: the whole shebang maybe?

05:26:04 pete_dushenski: ?

05:26:29 funkenstein_: hawking said, the universe is the ultimate free lunch

05:26:59 funkenstein_: i think this whole cost analysis thing only makes sense to do in a specified context

05:27:06 pete_dushenski: bbl.

05:27:10 funkenstein_: which is part of the problem with the naggum piece as well

05:27:15 funkenstein_: cheers

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05:47:20 cazalla: pete_dushenski, no auto approve for second comment onwards?

05:57:23 cazalla: today is the winter solstice and gee it is fucking cold

06:00:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00040915 = 20.4166 BTC [+] {2}

06:00:25 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition << eh let's not exagerate, guy's been dealing with linux for two decades.

06:04:03 mircea_popescu: "more efficient use of physical memory. All processes share the same physical pages for the code in the DSOs. With prelinking startup times for dynamically linked code is as good as that of statically linked code."

06:04:15 mircea_popescu: retard put thios right after his two "security" "killer arguments" ?

06:05:32 mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your ass the next day, no

06:05:33 mircea_popescu: need to go buy a new car"

06:05:45 mircea_popescu: at least they're brave.

06:08:57 mircea_popescu: http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com.ar/2009/05/tribute.html << somewhat lulzy.

06:08:59 assbot: Linux Hater's Blog: A tribute ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCCh50 )

06:09:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Ab 1996 arbeitete er f?r die Firma Cygnus Solutions. Von 1999 bis September 2010 war er dann Mitarbeiter des Linux-Distributors Red Hat. Seit Oktober 2010 arbeitet er f?r Goldman Sachs."

06:10:08 mircea_popescu: see, why can't you be more like lloyd brown.

06:13:01 mircea_popescu: also http://www.neowin.net/news/munich-germany-realizes-that-deploying-linux-was-a-disaster-going-back-to-windows lol

06:13:02 assbot: Munich, Germany realizes that deploying Linux was a disaster, going back to Windows ... ( http://bit.ly/1SBWRkm )

06:13:53 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform can't find my fat-fingering, but my node running your patch *does* connect to lfnet. it does not, however, obtain a connection to another node thereby.

06:13:54 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:14:26 *: ben_vulpes is loath to apply wireshark to this

06:15:23 mircea_popescu: you will have to somehow answer the question of "does it try to send"

06:16:21 ben_vulpes: ahaha

06:16:40 ben_vulpes: well first off there are no clients in the bitcoinchannels

06:17:16 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171698 <<< try 3 bottles :P

06:17:16 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:19:47; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All"

06:18:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes 01 to 99 ?

06:19:58 BingoBoingo: cazalla: My CYP450 2D6 is too fast to try that. Converts it to its worst form too fast for a hellish peak (/me kinda also regrets spitting in a tube so USG could profile my dna to discover this)

06:21:12 ben_vulpes: #bitcoin01,02,03,05,05,10,20,25,30,35,22

06:21:26 cazalla: so what's that do, hasten the effects or increase them as well?

06:21:36 ben_vulpes: confirmed that my node is actually connecting by hardcoding its connection room

06:22:27 ben_vulpes: i fear there are either no ungavinized nodes out there, or they're allr unning with no irc connectino

06:22:36 BingoBoingo: cazalla: It hastens turining drug into more extreme version of the drug.

06:22:58 cazalla: dxmo from memory

06:23:02 ben_vulpes: i was going to script this, but a visual inspection seems to indicate no nodes on the irc.

06:23:08 BingoBoingo: Which mean sure, you can trip balls, but the toilet is getting hugged the whole time

06:24:01 cazalla: SWIM many years ago turned to research chems instead of cough syrup

06:24:27 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes now im curious.

06:25:59 ben_vulpes: i tried this with both the IP addr for lfnet in the satoshi codebase and also the ip addr provided when loking up irc.lfnet.org

06:26:06 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lemme know if i can answer anything for ya

06:26:27 ben_vulpes: i'm appropriately burnt out on self-mgmt on this task for today, but can still turn cranks

06:26:57 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it's okay, the toilet needs it.

06:27:04 ben_vulpes: in other news, i named the car.

06:27:16 ben_vulpes: "stella", for a favorite kids book "stella luna", because the car is a batmobile.

06:27:27 ben_vulpes: !up mius

06:27:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48149 @ 0.00041294 = 19.8826 BTC [+] {2}

06:33:09 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1158322 << can only be resolved on a case-by-case basis, not ever at a larger scale i don't think.

06:33:09 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 16:53:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.

06:34:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00040663 = 20.2705 BTC [-]

06:35:55 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yep, its dead.

06:36:23 mircea_popescu: plenty of dogecoin chans with 1 user, two full chans of namecoin, 180 users, and otherwise an endless parade of scamcoins omfg, i never heard of most of 'em.

06:36:35 mircea_popescu: and by "it's dead" i mostly mean lfnet. nothing there.

06:37:36 ben_vulpes: evening, hanbot.

06:37:49 hanbot: howdy

06:38:14 ben_vulpes: mwell i'm pooped.

06:39:07 ben_vulpes: (i had an icecream today - thought of the various ice creams in bsas)

06:39:47 BingoBoingo: hanbot: Great piece on the Texas drama, congrats.

06:39:52 hanbot: how'd it compare?

06:39:57 hanbot: tyvm BingoBoingo!

06:40:43 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes productive day

06:41:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171526 << let's not get into which power rangers missed 5 btc because there's not poop on their magic markers.

06:41:33 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:01:25; BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"

06:42:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171531 << you will note miners can do this NOW if they feel like it. there's exactly zero need for peter todd or anyone else to be involved.

06:42:19 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:03:11; ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs

06:42:28 mircea_popescu: some do, most don't, principally because it ain't worth the hassle.

06:42:44 mircea_popescu: more gargle about the pies in the skies of our imaginary homeworld.

06:43:53 pete_dushenski: cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.

06:44:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00040336 = 18.9579 BTC [-]

06:44:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171545 << it's a more complicated problem than it seems to be (mostly because of the short timeframe involved and the layered nature of the mempool) and the miners are more technologically inept than one'd expect.

06:44:13 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:05:35; *: asciilifeform sorta assumed that miners already optimize for snarfing up max fee

06:45:50 ben_vulpes: i'm off.

06:45:58 mircea_popescu: sleep well.

06:46:09 ben_vulpes: harder every night but thanks

06:48:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171558 << this sounds a lot more professionally qualified than is the case. more like "i invented a novel inovative user-friendly streamlined buzzword-buzzword way to pick up aples : by their tail. can i has consulting gig ? watch my presentation on toilet paper theory."

06:48:21 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:07:57; asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'

06:48:25 mircea_popescu: academia sort of stuff.

06:51:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171593 << what's so wrong with recycling ?

06:51:37 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:31:44; asciilifeform: (not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged)

06:51:41 mircea_popescu: it's what bacteria does for us!

06:53:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171598 << yes without anyone noticing. plants do it all the time. so do ants. so does water. trivial to design a bot that breaks up cement at the rate of a foot a year.

06:53:08 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:35:14; asciilifeform: (it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean)

06:59:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171681 << how do you even tell how tall he is ? by comparing with the pins ?

06:59:07 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:13:34; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity

06:59:37 pete_dushenski: proportions with surroudings, sure, including pins.

06:59:47 pete_dushenski: surroundings*

07:01:01 pete_dushenski: i'm guessing he's 5'10" - 5'11"

07:01:37 pete_dushenski: http://www.coindesk.com/judge-rules-in-peer-to-peer-bitcoin-lending-lawsuit/ << fiat court tries to deal with fallout of btcjam scamming

07:01:38 assbot: Judge Rules in Peer-to-Peer Bitcoin Lending Lawsuit ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdwsrA )

07:01:44 pete_dushenski: !s btcjam

07:01:46 assbot: 139 results for 'btcjam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=btcjam

07:04:25 mircea_popescu: "You can predict the level of violence in an area just by looking at alcohol sales." << worst stupid ever.

07:04:38 mircea_popescu: this is in fact a straight revival of 1880s us missionary cant.

07:05:00 mircea_popescu: they were engaged in a political battle, at hte time, because they didn't like that the men, congregating in bars, decided elections.

07:05:10 mircea_popescu: they wanted the women, congregating in churches, to decide elections instead.

07:05:23 mircea_popescu: because they just so happened to have 0% survival changes in a bar, and ran churches.

07:06:39 mircea_popescu: pretty much every failure of the us post gilded age can be traced to the losing of that battle. and no, giving women the vote was not a bad idea. great idea. but they should have burned the missionaries on a stake.

07:07:13 mircea_popescu: "Have a daughter, not a son." << heh, mmmmkay.

07:13:04 *: pete_dushenski just imagines white collar couple with bundle of female joy in tow citing such 'science' 'proving' the wisdom of their 'decision'

07:15:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171739 << riiight. maybe also figure out the patterns that make one go to heaven. go through the motions of being happy. play the harmonica, badly.

07:15:00 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:38:11; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: spandrell's 'we should stop and think what makes bold people bold, and what patterns are common to people who can fight back' is reasonable observation

07:15:08 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171476 << because parts are increasing in price ? i'm not seeing this with the w126. too many of them were produced, too many still on the road. parts are monumentally cheap.

07:15:08 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:41:52; asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who owns old cars and frequents mechanics would have to be blind to suggest that usd is not palpably inflating

07:15:30 mircea_popescu: if this pattern bullshit worked we wouldn't be stuck here with glibc. and that goes exactly to pete_dushenski "wisdom of decisions" thing above too

07:16:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171744 << it was the bare hands thing that won the war.

07:16:27 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:40:08; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ?

07:16:41 mircea_popescu: what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.

07:16:50 pete_dushenski: and rakes iirc

07:17:06 pete_dushenski: not *in* rakes, with.

07:17:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171747 << ask any of the women that either travel to zululand to be raped or out of there for lack of enthusiasm for the activity.

07:17:27 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:41:08; asciilifeform: (there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu)

07:17:34 mircea_popescu: last i know nobody visits london for they currently alive there.

07:17:40 *: pete_dushenski doesn't know why 'borrowed pants' is such a funny visual image.

07:17:48 mircea_popescu: it is, isn't it ? :D

07:18:03 pete_dushenski: lol yup !

07:19:06 pete_dushenski: speaking of nothing, i've already dodged two of the four 'wedding bullets' between c4 and i. two scheduled for september already.

07:19:23 mircea_popescu: now make them name the kids "Seven"

07:20:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171774 << linux has no money.

07:20:13 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:48:44; asciilifeform: by same argument, e.g., linux, has been running a far bigger 'deficit,' longer

07:20:29 mircea_popescu: now that we're here, the argument can be brought. before, no.

07:25:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171800 << wait, you're actually discovering anything in the irc ?

07:25:45 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:58:26; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mine connect 100%

07:27:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00040336 = 17.3848 BTC [-]

07:27:52 pete_dushenski: early morning ahead. bon soir !

07:27:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171822 << mno. "that is, that once one agrees with the braindamaged pretense that 'end to violence', he is forced to hypocritically reintroduce violence in a very complex form, which reduces to the bezzle, or in carlin's words, 'everyone's quest to stick it to the other guy faster and deeper'. and so he accepts your 50x inflated carrots because he wants to sell you 67x in

07:27:53 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 05:08:06; asciilifeform: that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc

07:27:54 mircea_popescu: flated carrot cake.

07:28:09 mircea_popescu: naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.

07:28:36 mircea_popescu: he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.

07:28:46 mircea_popescu: it is neither. it is the unseemly result of delusion shared by idiots.

07:29:59 mircea_popescu: you have no business sitting at the poker table unless you intend to bluff, and you have no business living in norway unless you have a clear scam to apply to the government in mind.

07:30:48 mircea_popescu: otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.

07:52:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "After Chorazycki's death our plan had to be postponed for several months because we had no qualified leader, and none of us wanted to take moral responsibility for an unsuccessful coup." << ye see ? what more dja want ?

07:53:11 punkman: http://41.media.tumblr.com/48fe4c7b83b758bc5bac11656cde4929/tumblr_n89sgpySrZ1rphtnfo1_500.jpg

07:53:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1THdzjM )

07:53:23 mircea_popescu: these abject nobodies, everything they thought they knew having not merely failed, but having been well proven to have failed beyond the shadowest shadow of a doubt,

07:53:59 mircea_popescu: still exhibit vanity, in a laughable degree hard to put into words. worms, whose lives consist of being generally too low to piss on, think of their "moral responsibility".

07:54:09 mircea_popescu: what more's needed ? broken in the fucking head, these people.

07:54:35 mircea_popescu: what moral responsibility ? to whom, to what ?

07:55:47 mircea_popescu: punkman i never saw that one.

07:57:52 punkman: that cover is probably the best thing about it

08:02:31 punkman: https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo08.pdf

08:08:07 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171933 <<< mebe cache issue, who knows

08:08:07 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:43:53; pete_dushenski: cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.

08:45:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42099 @ 0.00038916 = 16.3832 BTC [-] {2}

09:08:33 cazalla: looks like sexy saffron is doing ok for herself http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3amz0w/iama_pornographer_who_just_hit_10_million_views/

09:08:36 assbot: Iama Pornographer who just hit 10 MILLION views on Pornhub! :) : IAmA ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5p7be )

09:11:17 mircea_popescu: wonder how much 10mn views is actually worth

09:11:20 mircea_popescu: i suspect under 1k.

09:13:18 cazalla: well she claims she and her partner are making more doing porn than their old jobs

09:14:46 punkman: "If you record yourselves getting sexy whilst watching a video of yourselves getting it on while you are also watching a video of yourselves getting jiggy, then you can call it Cum-ception for the slam dunk of porn pun movies."

09:15:03 cazalla: i imagine the tube sites are just a means to funnel people to their pay sites but 10 million views sounds better to the reddit crowd

09:17:04 punkman: $500 if 5 cents per 1k views, and that's probably high for porn traffic

09:17:14 punkman: maybe their paid stuff converts well though

09:18:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28125 @ 0.00039712 = 11.169 BTC [+]

09:21:48 cazalla: to think indiancandy could've accumulated a similar amount of views if she only didn't piss around paying people to promote her instagram and got her clothes off willingly

09:25:51 mircea_popescu: i recall paying 5cents per 1k. in 1998.

09:26:15 mircea_popescu: shitty tube traffic ? i dunno that you could sell it at any price, a decade ago.

09:26:39 mircea_popescu: cazalla saffron does have enthusiasm going for her, im sure she's doing ok.

09:27:13 mircea_popescu: and i believe she;s making better money off sexual enthusiasm than off whatever pink collar career. but NOT because 10 trillion clicks.

09:30:38 cazalla: meh i won't begrudge her for 10m views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days

09:35:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00040336 = 11.6168 BTC [+]

09:41:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00040206 = 3.4175 BTC [-]

10:27:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21875 @ 0.00040206 = 8.7951 BTC [-]

10:35:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 180 @ 0.00629999 = 1.134 BTC [+]

10:57:23 punkman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_%28police_procedure%29

10:57:23 assbot: Mr. Big (police procedure) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuJBVY )

10:57:50 shinohai: With Bonus Pearl Necklace: https://i.imgur.com/aUKpuPu.jpg

10:57:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuJE4c )

11:02:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61247 @ 0.00038099 = 23.3345 BTC [-]

11:20:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124096 @ 0.00038045 = 47.2123 BTC [-] {5}

11:32:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18377 @ 0.0003837 = 7.0513 BTC [+]

11:42:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78075 @ 0.00037954 = 29.6326 BTC [-]

12:18:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44598 @ 0.0003837 = 17.1123 BTC [+]

12:22:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00040445 = 13.8726 BTC [+]

12:57:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00040509 = 9.5196 BTC [+]

13:30:56 ben_vulpes: grexit?

13:31:20 punkman: not yet

13:31:32 mats: nine more days

13:31:54 punkman: it's been nine more days for years

13:33:35 mats: b-but, this time...

13:34:07 mats: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html << TIL

13:34:09 assbot: Greek Debt Crisis: How Goldman Sachs Helped Greece to Mask its True Debt - SPIEGEL ONLINE ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpgucI )

13:36:33 punkman: http://a-cha.ru/

13:36:35 assbot: Бренд одежды Анна Чапман | Женская одежда ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rph4aE )

13:43:47 punkman: "Poole said that one neighbor using self-driving technology downloaded a software update that disabled his tractor for a week in the middle of planting season this spring. If a system is working, farmers will often hold off on updates rather than risk complications"

13:47:51 ben_vulpes: http://www.farmhack.org

13:47:52 assbot: Farm Hack ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rpjvd2 )

13:49:02 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: might be familiar with http://opensourcemachine.org/mm2html2/How_to_build_a_multimachine.html

13:49:03 assbot: How_to_build_a_multimachine ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpjJRq )

13:51:53 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mega-l0l

13:53:35 ben_vulpes: "jungle conditions"

13:53:42 ben_vulpes: plus huge existing infrastructure.

13:53:46 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: does your node hang after 'IRC got who' ?

13:53:55 asciilifeform: because mine *NOW DOES*

13:53:57 ben_vulpes: hey have you successfully procured a peer from irc?

13:54:04 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al ^

13:54:09 ben_vulpes: myup.

13:54:18 ben_vulpes: nobody in those channels.

13:54:22 asciilifeform: this worked earlier

13:54:56 ben_vulpes: of course

13:55:08 asciilifeform: i mean, as late as 3 days ago..

13:55:17 ben_vulpes: if you've not blown away addr.dat, yours should still work

13:55:30 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i blew it away just this minute specifically to test.

13:55:34 ben_vulpes: (remind me again why all these bdb files are necessary?)

13:55:47 asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?

13:56:59 ben_vulpes: not it.

13:57:57 asciilifeform: it does appear to follow from this discovery that: the other side is paying attention...

13:58:33 asciilifeform: and that we need 1) own seeds 2) optionally, irc box 3) organized hunt for ungavinized seeds from planet as a whole, to seed (1) nodes with

13:59:15 ben_vulpes: how can one identify an ungavinized node?

13:59:31 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: only approximately, by claimed version

14:01:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171876 << the 'address space randomization' thing is precisely 'teacher's condom' (as depicted in comic, https://xkcd.com/463 )

14:01:58 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:05:32; mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your a

14:01:59 assbot: xkcd: Voting Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8OSt9 )

14:02:02 ben_vulpes: could also do something wacky with usernames iin irc

14:03:08 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it appears to be (now) empty.

14:03:42 ben_vulpes: it'd be trivial to fill it back up.

14:03:58 ben_vulpes: proxy from the network proper into irc.

14:04:21 asciilifeform: fill up ~our~ (not yet built) box, not random schmuck's

14:05:29 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171972 << i find it smashingly hilarious that everyone today seems to still be buying that particular bit of wartime engineered psychosis. the 'fighting without pants, one rifle for three men' thing 100% lines up with the '41-'42 period when su was having the shit kicked out of it.

14:05:29 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:16:41; mircea_popescu: what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.

14:06:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78350 @ 0.00040611 = 31.8187 BTC [+] {3}

14:06:30 asciilifeform: yes, it was necessary. to buy time for the conveyors to start up.

14:07:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4320 @ 0.0004082 = 1.7634 BTC [+]

14:07:44 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171973 << pete_dushenski may be a little mislead by http://www.krasnoyeznamya.ru/gallery/rm_21_489.jpg

14:07:44 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:16:50; pete_dushenski: and rakes iirc

14:07:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpnWEU )

14:10:01 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171993 << well yes, the 'expense of civilized life' ~is~ 'treadmill'

14:10:01 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:09; mircea_popescu: naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.

14:10:38 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171994 << but how, precisely, was herr naggum to get out of it? recall, he did not spend whole life in one country - was in usa for most of the upper '90s

14:10:38 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:36; mircea_popescu: he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.

14:11:04 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171997 << it is my considered view that naggum got out of the game the only way he knew how...

14:11:04 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:30:48; mircea_popescu: otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.

14:11:36 asciilifeform: if someone would like to take a break from voodoo and put on engineer hat, i'd like to hear concrete notion of what naggum 'should have' done

14:12:08 asciilifeform: as it was, he was not interested in going to africa to be arseraped. instead, 'drowned like a gentleman'

14:12:23 mats: enlisted in a bezzlatron until pile of 'fuck you money'?

14:12:44 asciilifeform: mats: he did this. and was dekulakized

14:12:53 asciilifeform: because why should some schmuck get to keep his pile ?

14:12:55 mats: was not a good little soldier, i take it.

14:13:31 asciilifeform: that pile is not yours by virtue of having your name on it. it belongs to apex predator

14:13:51 asciilifeform: which in naggum's case was oslo regime

14:13:51 mats: sure. thats why you eat his heart.

14:13:59 asciilifeform: go, eat. it's still there.

14:14:23 mats: i vaguely recall Naggum swimming in SF bay... there is more than one bezzlatron to be had

14:14:56 asciilifeform: mats: notice that he did not stay there. and, though all i have to work with is his writings, i believe i've a good handle on ~why~

14:15:58 asciilifeform: my understanding is that he didn't want to work with the profoundly retarded on retarded things

14:16:34 mats: he didn't want to live badly enough, then.

14:16:39 asciilifeform: and did not care for the blunt knives mandatorily issued to tards

14:17:22 asciilifeform: mats: that herr naggum 'did not want to live' is profoundly obvious from the manner in which he died

14:17:40 asciilifeform: the basic question from the thread was, i think, the ~why~ of why he did not want.

14:18:12 mats: man had some profound sense that he was not a slave like the rest of us

14:18:17 mats: could not bear it. died.

14:21:05 asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20150209100751/http://open.salon.com/blog/kent_pitman/2010/01/08/erik_naggum_on_atlas_shrugged << material which sheds some light on 'naggum in usa'

14:21:07 assbot: Erik Naggum on Atlas Shrugged - Kent Pitman - Open Salon ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rpr5EE )

14:23:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15361 @ 0.00040445 = 6.2128 BTC [-]

14:27:21 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html << re: the particular kind of intellectual rape that naggum had his fill of, before deciding that he'd like to put an ocean between himself and 'silicon valley'

14:27:22 assbot: Re: is CLOS reall OO? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8Sifb )

14:33:29 asciilifeform: i can already picture mircea_popescu's 'recipe': 'naggum should've moved to argentina' 'me: with what' 'mircea: with shirt on his back' 'me: doing what' 'mircea: sharpening knives while living in dumpster' 'me: betcha he knew this, and didn't care for it'

14:33:43 asciilifeform: just as i don't care for it.

14:33:56 asciilifeform: or i'd be in that dumpster even now

14:34:21 mats: on the other hand, i'm mentally preparing myself for a dive into the dumpster in a few short years

14:34:26 asciilifeform: (saw not a few pretty eligible dumpsters in buenos aires)

14:41:02 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you as a hobo?!? this i could never picture.

14:41:11 asciilifeform: http://cdn5.img.sputniknews.com/images/101561/27/1015612776.jpg << another 'choice' naggum didn't much care for

14:41:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8UjYW )

14:41:47 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: to paraphrase herr trotsky on war, 'you may not be interested in life as a hobo, but life as a hobo is interested in you'

14:42:57 thestringpuller: hobo is a phenomenon of the city imo. if forced to be homeless I'd rather be homeless in a jungle or some deserted island and learn to survive there rather than in a city.

14:44:08 asciilifeform: jungle, islands are waiting for thestringpuller.

14:46:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29272 @ 0.00038885 = 11.3824 BTC [-] {3}

15:24:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0004082 = 9.307 BTC [+]

15:26:03 williamdunne: Lol rekt

15:26:04 williamdunne: http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8478-transphobic-admin-should-be-removed-from-website/#entry209291

15:26:06 assbot: Transphobic admin should be removed from website - Their posting careers! - My Posting Career ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGYUzo )

15:26:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43693 @ 0.00040251 = 17.5869 BTC [-]

15:32:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124950 @ 0.00040969 = 51.1908 BTC [+] {6}

15:32:53 williamdunne: Do we have a whaleclub here?

15:34:06 williamdunne: WhaleClub PM me

15:38:28 mats: ?

15:39:06 williamdunne: Someone else trying to join #b-a, me and DPB were walking them through it

15:45:54 williamdunne: !up Drhelmut

15:46:01 williamdunne: Hello Drhelmut

15:46:05 williamdunne: !getrating Drhelmut

15:46:13 williamdunne: !gettrust Drhelmut

15:46:13 assbot: Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user Drhelmut: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=Drhelmut | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Drhelmut/

15:46:33 williamdunne: !rate Drhelmut 1 WhaleClub TS

15:46:33 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f0f06aaa1fff124d

15:46:55 williamdunne: !v assbot:williamdunne.rate.Drhelmut.1:7824382e16d8b0c5914689b09080ccfaf283ee00501b1b159679e7f76bdf2979

15:46:56 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for Drhelmut with note: WhaleClub TS

15:47:56 Drhelmut: Hellow

15:48:26 Drhelmut: Thank you William.

15:48:51 williamdunne: V.welcome, so outside of TS what are you?

15:49:24 Drhelmut: a french bitcoiner

15:49:53 Drhelmut: former minecraft server owner, sold months ago and going to do bitcoin services in france

15:50:34 Drhelmut: I made some studies in law too

15:52:10 mats: lopl teamspeak

15:52:26 mats: what do you talk about

15:53:04 Drhelmut: ?

15:53:59 mats: what sorts of things are discussed in this 'whaleclub ts' thing

15:54:05 Drhelmut: lots of

15:54:14 Drhelmut: basically trading

15:54:22 Drhelmut: and lots of stuff around bitcoin

15:54:37 ben_vulpes: whaleclub?

15:54:39 mats: ok

15:54:41 Drhelmut: yep

15:54:55 ben_vulpes: bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?

15:54:59 Drhelmut: I'm the host of the whaleclub teamspeak

15:55:36 mats: to be more generous, probably a buncha poor people following TAT around

15:55:57 Drhelmut: lol, have you already been there?

15:56:28 mats: i have not read good things about it from asseteers

15:57:12 Drhelmut: how surprisin'

15:57:33 mats: didn't intend to be rude, carry on

15:57:57 Drhelmut: well, in fact I don't care that much

15:58:17 Drhelmut: all exchanges are taking it seriously

15:58:54 Drhelmut: we already got lot of important people on it

15:59:24 Drhelmut: lot of people just hating the name, not the place

16:02:31 chetty: teamspeak? eew why would one want to have people talking at you all the time?

16:02:52 williamdunne: For what its worth, I enjoyed the teamspeak

16:02:57 ben_vulpes: important people, eh? like whom?

16:03:10 ben_vulpes: williamdunne: dat mpcdot

16:03:35 Drhelmut: Shrem, Jessy from kraken

16:03:39 Drhelmut: nejc from stamp

16:04:02 williamdunne: ben_vulpes: the mpcdot is hilarious

16:04:05 chetty: sure sounds like it would annoying, and no way to go read logs at your leisure

16:04:33 Drhelmut: we're just offering the place for people to discuss

16:04:34 ben_vulpes: the guy who rolled over for the feds and the feds pet exchangemaker they couldn't even pay?

16:04:38 Drhelmut: it's public eh

16:04:54 ben_vulpes: moreover, how do i know it's actually either of the entities in question and not impersonators?

16:05:06 Drhelmut: :D

16:05:15 Drhelmut: we don't need it

16:05:36 Drhelmut: If you just don't believe it, don't come, we don't need it.

16:05:54 ben_vulpes: i live and die by asynchronous comms, so i'll not be there.

16:06:22 ben_vulpes: the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.

16:06:39 Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system

16:06:54 ben_vulpes: go on...

16:06:56 Drhelmut: but that's a good idea, I'll try to see if we can link Wot with TS

16:07:04 ben_vulpes: is it...8 characters of mixed casing?

16:07:57 Drhelmut: you can watch some vix work https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq80JcdkGyF4k6YLxttQYKw

16:07:58 assbot: BTCVIX VIX - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J01u3e )

16:08:09 Drhelmut: Vix is an admin

16:09:05 Drhelmut: Just remind, we have nothing to sell so why lying about that?

16:09:09 Drhelmut: I don't get it.

16:09:43 ben_vulpes: your english is a bit lacking.

16:09:49 Drhelmut: I know

16:09:54 Drhelmut: sorry for that

16:10:23 ben_vulpes: you seem to be attempting to purchase some attention. nobody here is selling.

16:11:24 Drhelmut: I'm not purchasing anything, I just answer to your doubts and questions

16:11:52 ben_vulpes: what does herr kraken think about the blocksize change?

16:11:54 williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Its more of a friendly place to discuss trading, as opposed to a place for actual business to occur

16:12:20 williamdunne: Not that there is anything wrong with either model, its just what they are

16:13:16 Naphex: Drhelmut: do you have ads on whaleclub ?;]

16:13:26 Drhelmut: nop

16:14:30 williamdunne: Outside of it being a good place to speak to potential customers if you're an exchange

16:14:34 williamdunne: Not that you're charged for that

16:15:17 ben_vulpes: man if as an exchange operator you're actually enticing customers one-by-one...

16:16:08 williamdunne: Teamspeak isn't for one-on-one communication and some of the traders there are high volume

16:16:21 williamdunne: Its more of a shotgun type thing

16:16:33 williamdunne: !up Drhelmut

16:17:15 Drhelmut: and you don't need to be voiced each 30 min :D

16:17:21 Drhelmut: that's borring from here

16:17:42 fluffypony: the real downside to this Teamspeak stuff is the inability to search historical data

16:17:43 punkman: "discuss trading" << I don't get why this would be desirable, beyond telling each other "o hey buttstamp book crossed again"

16:17:58 fluffypony: Drhelmut: I don't have to be voiced every 30 minutes

16:18:28 Drhelmut: yeah but as a newcomer I have to.

16:18:31 williamdunne: Drhelmut: You only need to be voiced every 30 minutes if you're not in Assbot's L"

16:18:33 williamdunne: *L2

16:18:39 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172185 < lol yeah they are about the same... btw charlie has net in jail??

16:18:39 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:03:35; Drhelmut: Shrem, Jessy from kraken

16:18:45 williamdunne: !gettrust assbot williamdunne

16:18:46 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=williamdunne | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/

16:19:23 Drhelmut: shrem was here before going to jail

16:19:46 kakobrekla: soliciting for a biz that went to shit a week later

16:19:55 Drhelmut: was just chillin'

16:20:42 Naphex: Still looking to place ad spots for xotika.tv , if you're intersted privmsg

16:21:07 kakobrekla: bitbet has infinite amount of banner slots!

16:21:18 Drhelmut: we also had some 21 insider info https://soundcloud.com/elux-1/21-inc-embedded-engineer-on-whaleclub-teamspeak

16:21:19 assbot: 21 Inc Embedded Engineer On Whaleclub Teamspeak by elux | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1J03IzD )

16:21:30 Drhelmut: was on the reddit hotpage when it was out

16:21:43 williamdunne: Naphex: Bulk cheap advertising on porn-tube sites?

16:21:53 williamdunne: Eugh, guess bitcoin might be too much of a niche

16:21:55 Naphex: not yet, more like bitcoin targeted

16:22:00 williamdunne: Yeah I guess

16:22:13 williamdunne: What are your fees to the models?

16:22:26 williamdunne: Well, commission I guess is more accurate

16:22:44 kakobrekla: plan on gettin nekkid?

16:23:03 williamdunne: But why male models?

16:23:13 kakobrekla: whale models?

16:23:22 *: williamdunne is not actually overweight

16:23:30 kakobrekla: as the ts guise

16:23:32 kakobrekla: ask

16:23:55 williamdunne: For the right price, yeah I'd get nekkid on camera

16:23:59 williamdunne: Everyone has their price

16:24:34 Drhelmut: ?

16:24:51 williamdunne: Drhelmut: Naphex launched a live cam porn site Xotika.tv, hence our discussion

16:25:04 Drhelmut: uh. cool.

16:25:07 kakobrekla: Drhelmut williamdunne is looking for a new job

16:25:17 Drhelmut: ^^

16:25:20 Naphex: :))

16:25:23 Drhelmut: g2g

16:25:32 Drhelmut: Whaleclub isn't bad m'kay

16:25:44 williamdunne: Aha

16:25:47 williamdunne: Seeya

16:25:58 kakobrekla: im sure its amazing

16:25:58 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:28:05 williamdunne: http://dpaste.com/1NV1712

16:28:06 assbot: dpaste: 1NV1712: http://facebook.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpBJg6 )

16:28:17 williamdunne: Ah, doesn't work

16:28:33 kakobrekla: what are you trying to do?

16:28:52 punkman: http://www.onguardonline.gov/blog/paying-bitcoins

16:28:53 assbot: Before paying with bitcoins… | OnGuard Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpBOjH )

16:32:04 williamdunne: I was seeing if assbot would then grab the title for facebook.com

16:32:09 williamdunne: If it did you could create a loop

16:32:46 assbot: im silly, but not that silly.

16:33:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107120 @ 0.00041582 = 44.5426 BTC [+] {2}

16:34:17 williamdunne: Ahaha

16:34:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88680 @ 0.00042064 = 37.3024 BTC [+] {4}

16:34:53 williamdunne: Woah

16:34:57 williamdunne: That MPEX price

16:35:03 williamdunne: What happened while I was away?!

16:42:28 punkman: ;;ticker

16:42:29 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.25, Best ask: 246.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 246.3, 24 hour volume: 19300.03816571, 24 hour low: 241.09, 24 hour high: 247.94, 24 hour vwap: None

16:42:53 ben_vulpes: !up JorgePasada

16:43:13 JorgePasada: :-)

16:43:14 ben_vulpes: hey buddy

16:43:19 JorgePasada: Hey man, how goes?

16:48:07 ben_vulpes: it's live

16:48:09 ben_vulpes: life*&

16:48:16 ben_vulpes: arbeit macht frei

16:53:02 jurov: how i misread the log: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee with cadavers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation

16:59:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35088 @ 0.00040589 = 14.2419 BTC [-]

16:59:59 punkman: http://www.megaprocessor.com/index.html

17:00:00 assbot: HomePage ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9f1rG )

17:00:40 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:00:58 ascii_field: punkman: cray-I and many other machines of the period were built in precisely that way.

17:02:06 ascii_field: williamdunne: rss plz ?

17:04:08 williamdunne: ascii_field: Sorry, still not home. Keeps getting delayed. Probably won't be back until Wednesday D:

17:05:24 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172197 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172198 << giga-l0l!

17:05:24 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:22; ben_vulpes: the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.

17:05:24 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:39; Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system

17:07:47 ben_vulpes: tera

17:10:13 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171883 < that's microsoft's fud and it never actually took place

17:10:13 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:13:01; mircea_popescu: also http://www.neowin.net/news/munich-germany-realizes-that-deploying-linux-was-a-disaster-going-back-to-windows lol

17:11:04 ascii_field: in other news, http://i.imgur.com/npdXfo5.gifv

17:11:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0dulh )

17:12:16 punkman: ascii_field: what kind of machine is he operating

17:12:24 ascii_field: possibly a slot bandit

17:16:14 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170728 << i have found out that most implementations just send localhost or and it's widely accepted

17:16:14 assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 03:27:06; mod6: who knows why satoshi put that in there. i kinda find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have understood IP headers. perhaps he was trying to ensure that every connecting node was indeed a real host, not some spoofed packet magic.

17:16:31 ben_vulpes: shitting in the corner?

17:17:59 ben_vulpes: jurov: so nodes on the other end of the connection don't actually use the IP sent in the message protocol?

17:18:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88250 @ 0.00038591 = 34.0566 BTC [-] {2}

17:18:57 kakobrekla: !up Drhelmut

17:19:06 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172198 < wait how does this actually work?

17:19:06 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:39; Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system

17:19:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00037965 = 12.2057 BTC [-] {2}

17:26:17 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172241 << wtf, audio ?!!!

17:26:17 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:21:19; assbot: 21 Inc Embedded Engineer On Whaleclub Teamspeak by elux | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1J03IzD )

17:27:12 punkman: writing, ain't nobody got time for that

17:27:40 kakobrekla: or reading

17:28:05 trinque: thought whaleclub might be fatties

17:28:09 trinque: my mistake

17:30:44 ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/pdf-suspicious.htm << lulzies

17:30:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6HWM0 )

17:32:35 jurov: ben_vulpes they may use getpeerinfo(sock) instead

17:34:35 jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/protocol.cpp#0203 << looks like it's checked against this and used if passes, otherwise ignored

17:34:36 assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0iypC )

17:35:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35278 @ 0.00037954 = 13.3894 BTC [-]

17:37:34 williamdunne: kakobrekla: It's a very informal system they have

17:50:56 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:51:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34933 @ 0.00037938 = 13.2529 BTC [-] {2}

17:51:16 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172311 << depends what you mean by 'accepted.' it, as i understand, breaks seeding.

17:51:16 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:16:14; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170728 << i have found out that most implementations just send localhost or and it's widely accepted

17:51:35 ascii_field: (as in, you get to keep your connection, sure, but you don't get advertised as a seed)

17:55:07 jurov: guess they don't care about that

18:01:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.000412 = 18.7048 BTC [+] {2}

18:03:58 ascii_field: in other news, re: old thread ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162224 ) i found an eeprom burner with acceptable (reverse-engineered) linux support: 'minipro' by autoelectric corp. (cn)

18:03:58 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 19:47:39; ascii_field: in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support.

18:22:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5845 @ 0.00042028 = 2.4565 BTC [+]

18:35:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67644 @ 0.00042028 = 28.4294 BTC [+]

18:37:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172026 << that's fo sho.

18:37:35 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 09:30:38; cazalla: meh i won't begrudge her for 10m views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days

18:38:08 mircea_popescu: mostly on account of their "pros" consisting of NOT being sexually enthusiastic, and imagining that they can substitute self importance for it.

18:47:13 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:47:32 ascii_field: in other 'news', it's been what, ~7 years, and libpng thing is ~still~ biting

18:47:47 ascii_field: ~someone~ was responsible for that.

18:49:10 mircea_popescu: heh

18:59:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172033 << she's as ugly as a pack of stray dogs.

18:59:43 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 10:57:50; shinohai: With Bonus Pearl Necklace: https://i.imgur.com/aUKpuPu.jpg

19:00:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172065 << when ? got any logs of anything ?

19:00:57 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 13:54:22; asciilifeform: this worked earlier

19:01:02 mircea_popescu: they seem utterly dead.

19:01:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172071 << perpetually.

19:01:29 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 13:55:47; asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?

19:02:02 mircea_popescu: 2) optionally, irc box << i don't see that we need it. irc is dead, it was stupid to begin with, time to put it to sleep.

19:02:13 ascii_field: it was begging for bullet for years

19:02:34 mircea_popescu: (peer over irc acquisition never worked worth a shit - the reason it was moved off freenode for instance is that it needed a special ircd to have even a vague chance)

19:02:50 ascii_field: what's special in that one

19:02:54 mircea_popescu: but i am very much perturbed by your proposition that it worked until recently. to what degree worked ?

19:02:55 ascii_field: i'm not seeing any oddities

19:03:01 mircea_popescu: can you say, count all the peers you ever got off irc ?

19:03:02 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i got peers from it

19:03:21 ascii_field: ever since i've snipped out the gavindns seeds & the hardcoded seeds from my own tree

19:03:32 mircea_popescu: did you actually do a full sync that was throughout dependent on irc as sole primary peer source ?

19:04:02 ascii_field: one full sync and several partial (into the high 200k's)

19:04:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field iirc the problem was something about how /who flooded the client. so they made a limit so it only shows 100 entries

19:04:27 ascii_field: (terminated through no fault of their own, simply because wanted to start from scratch when testing patches)

19:04:28 mircea_popescu: but then botched it and it always showed the same 100

19:04:35 mircea_popescu: which then flooded the clients in question so they stopped working

19:04:43 ascii_field: l0l!

19:04:46 mircea_popescu: ikr?

19:04:52 ascii_field: this almost certainly stopped being a problem ages ago

19:04:56 ascii_field: as the thing (mostly) died

19:04:59 mircea_popescu: aha.

19:05:01 mircea_popescu: still, special.

19:05:46 ascii_field: so irc on butcher block?

19:05:50 mircea_popescu: can you discern from whence you sit if the following is a possible explanation : you got now and again (rarely) a peer, which gave you its lists of peers, which is how you actually synced.

19:05:55 mircea_popescu: irc on butcher block.

19:06:04 ascii_field: well of course that's how i synced

19:06:20 *: ascii_field whets knife

19:06:26 mircea_popescu: so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes.

19:06:38 ascii_field: quite possibly.

19:07:07 ascii_field: i will remind readers that 'irc on butcher block' means a 100% reliance on seeds we enter in config. and also on specifying node's external ipv4.

19:07:16 mircea_popescu: aye.

19:07:18 ascii_field: which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds.

19:08:05 mircea_popescu: i will provide no less than three, on physically separate machines, provided this can actually be made to work. which depends on excellent documentation.

19:08:25 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: do you presently have a system where the thing builds ?

19:09:01 mircea_popescu: i've not presently seen a package.

19:09:07 mircea_popescu: the targed is something like what was done for eulora.

19:09:14 mircea_popescu: ie, http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora

19:09:16 assbot: Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwJBct )

19:09:58 mircea_popescu: but! if you're willing to go into the grease, s.nsa server can be the first of those three.

19:11:05 ascii_field: probably ought to be.

19:11:27 mircea_popescu: well if you get it to run, identical instances can be spun up, so. there is that.

19:12:04 ascii_field: will build it there as soon as the last round of amputation, referenced earlier, is complete

19:12:21 ascii_field: and the result posted to ml

19:12:28 mircea_popescu: alrightythen

19:15:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00042231 = 4.9833 BTC [+]

19:17:12 mircea_popescu: aannnd speaking of eulora, http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/foxystore.html lol

19:17:13 assbot: Foxy's Useful Items ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwL3f8 )

19:19:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172085 <<< i was discussing the 38-43ish period.

19:19:03 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:05:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171972 << i find it smashingly hilarious that everyone today seems to still be buying that particular bit of wartime engineered psychosis. the 'fighting without pants, one rifle for three men' thing 100% lines up with the '41-'42 period when su was having the shit kicked out of it.

19:19:21 mircea_popescu: yes, by 44 they were doing okay, as far as everyone in europe was doing ok after five years of war.

19:19:43 mircea_popescu: and yes by 1955ish they were almost on par with the post-war us, on accounts of not being saddled with the baby bloomers.

19:20:01 mircea_popescu: but a) it all lasted as long as the sputnik and b) i forget what i wanted to be b.

19:21:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172095 << was he ever part of a "criminal gang" running guns in ehtiopia ? ever a terrorist in kabul ?

19:21:58 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:10:38; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171994 << but how, precisely, was herr naggum to get out of it? recall, he did not spend whole life in one country - was in usa for most of the upper '90s

19:22:19 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:22:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172097 << on this matter there can scarcely be any debate.

19:22:21 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:11:04; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171997 << it is my considered view that naggum got out of the game the only way he knew how...

19:22:29 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he was not ever, afaik, a puffer fish, either

19:22:39 mircea_popescu: to his detriment.

19:22:47 *: ascii_field applies for puffer fish detail

19:23:03 mircea_popescu: specialisation is not the unilaterally superlative good it is presented as.

19:23:16 mircea_popescu: specialisation is, much akin to geting used to narrow spaces, a necessary evil.

19:23:24 mircea_popescu: not more necessary than the goods it actually provides are.

19:23:28 ascii_field: no shit

19:23:31 mircea_popescu: in current environs, not necessary at all.

19:24:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172103 << ehehe. eternal mechanism. "here, have a lot of money, think it's yours so you offload your mental balance, but let it be still ours so we offload ours!"

19:24:46 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:12:53; asciilifeform: because why should some schmuck get to keep his pile ?

19:24:50 mircea_popescu: bezzle at the core.

19:25:07 mircea_popescu: adults do this sometimes with children, pretend-give them things to motivate them "for their own good".

19:25:14 ascii_field: and on top of this, my understanding is that herr naggum was considerably 'more pashtun' than i

19:25:48 mircea_popescu: doubt the comparison "more pashtun than x" can be declared in scopes where nobody's killed anyone for honor.,

19:26:00 ascii_field: sure it can

19:26:01 mircea_popescu: in any case the actual pashtuns might be nonplussed by the proposition.

19:26:07 ascii_field: doubtless

19:26:39 ascii_field: meant shorthand as 'less of a doomed child of specialization and overcivilization in general'

19:26:43 mircea_popescu: is he more convergent than you, also ? can you apply CBS to your own monotony "to some degree" ?

19:26:53 ascii_field: l0l

19:26:57 mircea_popescu: im not sure that less exists.

19:28:19 mircea_popescu: anyway, to formalize a positive form for this, not merely the negative :

19:29:08 mircea_popescu: i propose to you that a team of two people selected from five that are only informed in general computer sanity can produce in the same time better software than the sum of all five, each schooled in one specialisation : sysadmin, webdev, db management, ux and marketing.

19:29:24 mircea_popescu: yes, this means that three people out of five would starve. guess what ? four of five starve now.

19:30:29 ascii_field: then i ask mircea_popescu, as best proof of this conjecture, to supply two people who know arse from elbow re: therealbitcoin from this pool

19:30:30 mircea_popescu: nonspecialisation would be strictly a better outcome. the only problem with it is that it relies on falsifying the "we are all human" dogma.

19:30:36 mircea_popescu: clearly only two out of the five are human.

19:30:46 mircea_popescu: haha.

19:30:54 mircea_popescu: no, the two would pointedly NOT know it.

19:31:01 ascii_field: not specifically

19:31:11 ascii_field: but, say, able to tell arse from elbow after, say, a month or two

19:31:31 mircea_popescu: eh get out. mod6 and jurov. what now ?

19:31:35 mircea_popescu: and i can keep picking pairs.

19:31:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32947 @ 0.00042231 = 13.9138 BTC [+]

19:31:48 ascii_field: and these are supposed to be folks with 'only general sense of sanity' ?

19:32:01 ascii_field: iirc both have programmed for money their whole lives

19:32:21 mircea_popescu: i dunno... iirc mod6 couldn't get the laptop to open last i saw him :D

19:32:40 mircea_popescu: something about the lock not being bsd or what was it

19:33:00 ascii_field: likewise, when mircea_popescu has occasion to visit a doctor, does he visit an 'obsolete' specialist, or just some fella who had a 'general sense of sanity' and decided, on a weekend lark, to open an anatomy book for an hour or two ?

19:33:19 mircea_popescu: last time i visited a doctor, it was doctor levy

19:33:39 mircea_popescu: i was about six, and my parents somehow had found an old jew - complete with chained pocketwatch - to be my personal physician

19:34:01 mircea_popescu: he was very much what i describe (not really what you charicaturize, obviously)

19:34:14 ascii_field: lucky then, that mircea_popescu did not need a doctor.

19:34:23 mircea_popescu: lucky indeed.

19:34:37 mircea_popescu: but i have some, however marginal, hope - that by the time i actually do, one might actually exist.

19:34:54 mircea_popescu: for otherwise, as the romanian expression goes, "nu ma prea vad in clar"

19:34:59 ascii_field: !b 9

19:35:00 assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TR4CZQ.txt )

19:36:18 ascii_field: mircea_popescu might be a fan of the famous heinlein quote re: specialization ?

19:37:04 ascii_field: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SpecializationIsForInsects << top of page

19:37:06 assbot: Specialization Is For Insects ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwOVN0 )

19:37:46 thestringpuller: was thinking about you in traffic this morning ascii_field

19:38:04 thestringpuller: thought to myself, "ascii has to deal with this shit for 4 hours a day. no use in my gettin' upset"

19:38:20 ascii_field: thestringpuller: closer to 2 on avg.

19:39:24 thestringpuller: that's my mentors favorite quote btw ascii_field

19:40:23 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dunno about insects, but it is certainly a cheap if ineffectual way to assuage one's feelings of inadequacy.

19:40:29 mircea_popescu: then you get jwz's all over.

19:40:36 mircea_popescu: they're all specialists, and all in something else.

19:40:51 mircea_popescu: consequently nobody's responsible for anything and whatever.

19:41:14 ascii_field: can we distinguish shit from shinola, even if only to the extend of admitting the existence of shinola ?

19:41:29 ascii_field: jwz != perelman

19:41:39 mircea_popescu: sure.

19:41:47 mircea_popescu: but to their wives, they're interchangeable.

19:41:49 mircea_popescu: hence - divorce.

19:42:12 *: ascii_field doesn't recall perelman so much as threatening to have a wife

19:42:14 mircea_popescu: to their waiter - which they don't have - to their doctor - which idem - to their life, whatever it means, they're interchangeable.

19:42:56 ascii_field: i must confess that ^ makes literally no sense to me

19:43:11 ascii_field: why would they be interchangeable to their wives (supposing each had a wife) ?

19:43:17 mircea_popescu: ok. lety's walk through the path.

19:43:40 mircea_popescu: guy is 3. he is easily the equal of anything life throws his way. master of his destiny, the three year old roars.

19:44:33 mircea_popescu: a decade passes, and the thirteen year old is confronted with the sad circumstance that hanna likes basketball players and rachel likes football players, and to become either you gotta talk to the respective coach, and the coach says you gotta spend all your time practicing. well... he can't readily spend all his time twice over.

19:44:56 thestringpuller: what about guy who is on all the teams?

19:45:11 mircea_popescu: at which point, guy specializes, and takes rachel. another guy, coming later, takes hanna. for less effort, but lesser pickings. and so with everyone.

19:45:21 thestringpuller: guy who has letter jacket from baseball, basketball and football.

19:45:30 thestringpuller: couldn't he date hanna and rachel at same time?

19:45:36 mircea_popescu: then a kid from australia comes by, wants to play tennis, and well... none of the boys can play. because... mind you... not their speciality.

19:45:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47761 @ 0.00041888 = 20.0061 BTC [-] {2}

19:46:18 mircea_popescu: given the lure of exotism, the only stable result here is where australia is a terrorist regime and all the guys sit around discussing immigration reform.

19:46:57 mircea_popescu: you ever seen birthday girl ascii_field ?

19:47:10 ascii_field: nope

19:47:20 ascii_field: what was it

19:47:47 mircea_popescu: an excelent film, see it sometime. the plot is that a russian whore (which just means woman in her 20s) sells herself off to an english eunuch

19:47:53 mircea_popescu: (which just means man in his 20s)

19:48:14 mircea_popescu: she, of course, has a boy back home. and that boy... comes to check her out.

19:48:36 mircea_popescu: the way this movie is generally perceived is "oh, russian mob and mail order bride scam". nothing of the kind. the russian boy is pretty much playing it by the ear,

19:48:56 mircea_popescu: and there's a most endeering scheme where he and the current guy his girl is ... with, let's say, walk in the woods.

19:49:17 mircea_popescu: and the russian tries to talk to the brit. plainly, man to man. it involves some kickjumps in the vegetation. the other backs off like a cat from a calendar.

19:49:46 mircea_popescu: it all goes to shit, but ~after~ that.

19:50:07 mircea_popescu: why exactly can't a random english kid talk the basic language of the other ?

19:50:18 ascii_field: because orc ?

19:50:23 mircea_popescu: what is this orc.

19:50:27 ascii_field: is this yet another 'humans good, orcs bad' yarn

19:50:30 mircea_popescu: yes, each thinks the other an orc.

19:50:31 ascii_field: because those are a snore

19:50:40 mircea_popescu: i just liked that scene. also nicole kidman.

19:51:08 mircea_popescu: it demands an explanation. WHY is it that the brit can't talk to the other ? he DID actually come in peace.

19:51:28 mircea_popescu: up until that point, the big reveal (for him), where he discovers that his inferiority complex to "civilisation" is unfounded.

19:51:46 mircea_popescu: you recall the amply discussed "soviet realisation". the funny thing is, those people's sons had... a very similar realisation.

19:51:51 mircea_popescu: except this time, re the west.

19:52:08 ascii_field: aha.

19:52:41 mircea_popescu: just how fucking hard is it to speak another's language ?

19:52:49 ascii_field: today you will find open discussion among thinking ru sphere folks, that 'islamic picture of western civ is essentially correct'

19:52:57 mircea_popescu: im not talking, previously, against specialisation in the anti intellectual, acultural manner you seem to have taken in.

19:53:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10613 @ 0.00040949 = 4.3459 BTC [-]

19:53:12 mircea_popescu: i merely speak of this : that when baker tells you a joke about yeast, you'd better fucking get it and laugh.

19:53:18 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:53:36 mircea_popescu: i have no doubt it is essentially correct, which is why i speak for isis more than i speak for the usg.

19:53:42 mircea_popescu: if it was backwards i'd speak backwards.

19:53:52 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> something about the lock not being bsd or what was it << lol :D

19:53:59 *: ascii_field re: yeast laugh: graps that mircea_popescu is speaking the basic frustration of every polymath on planet 3 when confronting numbskulls

19:54:04 mircea_popescu: mod6 :p

19:54:24 mircea_popescu: how much fucking polymacy does it take to get a fucking joke!

19:54:37 mircea_popescu: "oh no, we could never do that, WE'RE SPECIALIZED!!1"

19:54:39 mircea_popescu: fuck you then.

19:54:46 ascii_field: the basic minimal quota adult male circa, say, 1930, shipped from the factory with

19:54:58 mircea_popescu: i guess.

19:55:07 ascii_field: ~that~ kind of 'specialized' can go straight to the biodiesel pot, yes

19:55:25 ascii_field: it is, at least partly, why i left academia

19:55:32 ascii_field: i.e. having to be in the same elevator as those people.

19:55:38 mircea_popescu: i can see it.

19:55:48 *: mircea_popescu was blessed with an early life in a land with no elevators

19:55:54 mircea_popescu: thinkaboutit.jpg

19:56:40 williamdunne: The women in Romania were beautiful, but I think Czech Republic had it beat out

19:57:02 chetty: large buildings (with elevators) look remarkably like beehives

19:57:29 mircea_popescu: williamdunne generally agreed upon fact.

19:58:02 williamdunne: Jesus Christ though, when I met the person at the bank I'd been working with for the past few months though..

19:58:03 williamdunne: Holy shit

19:58:05 williamdunne: Just wow

19:58:07 mircea_popescu: chetty oh, and no "access control" either. as late as 1988 you cvould just fucking WALK INTO the super-secret-only-not-military-because-the-smart-kids-hated-corporals itci

19:58:15 mircea_popescu: ie, the place working to make missile controls and whatnot.

19:58:25 mircea_popescu: williamdunne nailedher ?

19:58:37 williamdunne: Christ I wish

19:58:47 mircea_popescu: nuts. what do you wish ?

19:58:47 williamdunne: I'm too babyfaced to do any damage

19:58:53 mircea_popescu: didja ask her ?

19:58:59 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: we had elevators. which didn't work. fun on 15th floor

19:59:11 mircea_popescu: ascii_field see this is it, 4 floors everywhere.

19:59:17 williamdunne: "Hey, once we've got this account opened, could I bend you over your desk and fuck you in front of your colleague?"

19:59:24 mircea_popescu: made the butts better at any rate.

19:59:32 trinque: williamdunne: there may be better strategies

19:59:34 trinque: lol

19:59:43 mircea_popescu: williamdunne if you're that kind, which i hadn't judged you for. else, "wanna go for a bite after work ?"

19:59:58 williamdunne: Aha

20:00:08 williamdunne: Yeah not that kind

20:00:25 williamdunne: Maybe I should have tried, sure I'll be there again soonish though

20:00:36 williamdunne: Still, being a babyfaced 18 year old isn't a good starting point

20:01:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38017 @ 0.00040878 = 15.5406 BTC [-] {2}

20:01:10 chetty: never know if you dont try, really nothing to lose

20:01:22 mircea_popescu: ascii_field but to round it off : i am unimpressed with that utter fear of all usian pencildicks, "omg prison". seriously, lifetime pension ? tyvm. i am also unimpressed with the "difficulties" of "orcs" aka niggers in the us. i have never had a problem making sense of them or the reverse. and THIS is why i say the flight to suburbus is a purely sexual problem.

20:01:37 mircea_popescu: there is a deep link between sex and communication, not least of all because sex is the communication of biological material.

20:01:53 mircea_popescu: williamdunne wouldja stop trying to make her decisions for her ?

20:02:00 mircea_popescu: not your fucking job. specialize already.

20:02:25 williamdunne: Get your point

20:02:42 mircea_popescu: "we reject gender specialisation, which is not something anyone asked us about - to focus on professional specialization, which is both impossible and counterproductive"

20:02:49 trinque: williamdunne: I recall working IT at a hotel in FL when I was 19

20:02:59 trinque: I'm sure I was "babyfaced"

20:03:11 mircea_popescu: is this slang for pimplefaced or something ?

20:03:28 ascii_field: so when will mircea_popescu be getting on the u.s. prison plane ?

20:03:29 trinque: chick who was my boss seemed overly friendly, went ahead and chatted her up one day after work

20:03:34 trinque: fucked her for a couple months thereafter

20:03:39 ascii_field: there is probably a nice lifetime pension reserved for him here

20:03:40 trinque: learned a lot :D

20:03:46 funkenstein_: the orcs are the pigs, the stormtroopers. right right?

20:03:50 mircea_popescu: ascii_field well i plan to shoot a few schmucks first. so just as soon as they can line up enough schmucks willing to be shot.

20:04:13 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: It means young looking

20:04:20 mircea_popescu: that's a drawback ?!

20:04:22 williamdunne: noice

20:04:27 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Young as in 15

20:04:39 williamdunne: Not young as if in pre-30s

20:04:47 chetty: jailbait

20:04:50 mircea_popescu: i still dun see it.

20:04:52 williamdunne: Pretty much

20:05:10 mircea_popescu: williamdunne they dont have sex jail in the czech republic.

20:05:41 williamdunne: This was in Bucharest, but yeah

20:05:47 williamdunne: I more meant it as a negative in terms of attraction

20:05:53 williamdunne: (Example babyfaced mugshot)

20:05:54 williamdunne: http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4693413.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Lewis-Daynes.jpg

20:05:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwU73q )

20:06:04 mircea_popescu: lol got your own ?

20:06:31 williamdunne: Aha, nope, thats not me

20:07:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, eastern europe bank strategy has been to hire supermodels because a) they're stupid b) they're cheap and c) the stupid and cheap peasants that are their parents still own their own real estate and the best way to get them to lose it to austrian banks is by hiring thei better looking daughters. which they don't fuck because weirdos, but merely drool over..

20:08:06 mircea_popescu: the same womenz exist in london, you don't see them in retail bank branches because nobody gives a shit about the english peasant.

20:08:18 williamdunne: Aha

20:08:26 williamdunne: Well, I wouldn't call her stupid. She's been rather useful

20:08:27 williamdunne: but yeah

20:08:36 mircea_popescu: i'm sure she's a specialist.

20:08:39 williamdunne: This is what a drunken Wil looks like; http://i.imgur.com/3fI48sM.jpg

20:08:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwUDyk )

20:08:50 williamdunne: 3rd from left

20:09:16 mircea_popescu: may i inquire why are you holding the OTHER DUDE ?

20:09:22 trinque: bahaha

20:09:34 cazalla: they're mates!

20:09:48 mircea_popescu: right, but there's a time for that.

20:10:24 *: williamdunne is no longer allowed friends

20:10:25 williamdunne: Aha

20:10:26 williamdunne: Well

20:10:37 williamdunne: I did try it on with the girls in my defence

20:10:41 williamdunne: They weren't having any of it

20:10:54 mircea_popescu: srsly ? they look kinda ready to go.

20:11:09 mircea_popescu: but what's in a photo.

20:11:32 williamdunne: Either they didn't like me, or a heavily intoxicated Wil isn't good at reading signs

20:11:52 cazalla: you look pretty tanked and ignore these autists who think putting ya arm around ya mate is weird :P

20:12:26 mircea_popescu: cazalla goes to the brothel holding hands.

20:12:32 williamdunne: Prague was pretty much me being tanked the entire time

20:13:04 williamdunne: I discovered that gay people like me very much, which I guess is a slight ego boost even if very useless to me

20:13:37 mircea_popescu: i dunno about 15, but you could pass for a twink.

20:14:33 williamdunne: Hmmm the only twink I know of is WoW terminology

20:14:38 williamdunne: !ud twink

20:14:44 williamdunne: ;;ud twink

20:14:45 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twink | The stereotypical twink is 18-22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at 10:00 AM, and is not particularly intelligent. A twink  ...

20:14:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172114 << you know my discussion of his obit still draws angry mail ?

20:14:53 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:17:22; asciilifeform: mats: that herr naggum 'did not want to live' is profoundly obvious from the manner in which he died

20:15:10 williamdunne: Ahahaha

20:15:28 williamdunne: Well, yeah I qualify for the t.w part

20:15:32 mircea_popescu: williamdunne a twink is how you say ephebos these days. intelligence got nothing to do with it, just the internet derp seems to insist that anyone sensual is necessarily dumb fior this reason.

20:15:43 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: l0l! angry mail?

20:15:45 ascii_field: why?

20:15:51 mircea_popescu: "how could i say such things!"

20:16:03 mircea_popescu: well it irritatyes not merely the feminist worldview, but also the collectivist worldview,

20:16:11 mircea_popescu: "i will see the world is more important than people!111!11"

20:16:35 ascii_field: ah that

20:16:37 ascii_field: unsurprised

20:16:44 ascii_field: the usual suspects will piss & moan, yes

20:18:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172123 << you will notice this is entirely projected.

20:18:21 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:33:29; asciilifeform: i can already picture mircea_popescu's 'recipe': 'naggum should've moved to argentina' 'me: with what' 'mircea: with shirt on his back' 'me: doing what' 'mircea: sharpening knives while living in dumpster' 'me: betcha he knew this, and didn't care for it'

20:18:35 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172071 <<< i got one on the 19th.. i get them every 2-3 weeks and can no longer sync after that so i have to restore from backup

20:18:35 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 13:55:47; asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?

20:18:36 mircea_popescu: !s should from:mircea

20:18:37 assbot: 2333 results for 'should from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=should+from%3Amircea

20:19:04 williamdunne: !s .gif from:mircea

20:19:05 assbot: 186 results for '.gif from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=.gif+from%3Amircea

20:19:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the conjecture was based on an old thread re: naggum

20:19:16 ascii_field: where you did say 'why wasn't he on the next boat to ar'

20:19:25 mircea_popescu: yes but it carries more of the conjecturer than of the subject.

20:19:44 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2014#838804

20:19:44 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2014 16:28:55; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's he to do in argentina? teach the pampas cats and ocelots common lisp ?

20:20:12 trinque: people do it

20:20:24 trinque: my ancestors left being rather well off in Italy

20:20:30 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the point was that location's irrelevant, there. which it is, or do you dispute ?

20:20:41 mircea_popescu: yes, i get it, you have heavy physical equipment. he was a software man.

20:20:47 ascii_field: it is absolutely relevant unless you are mircea_popescu, flyer of atomic dirigible

20:21:01 ascii_field: and it isn't about the equipment. i'd burn it all if meatwot were portable

20:21:20 ascii_field: naggum certainly did not stay in shitland on account of equipment.

20:21:37 mircea_popescu: more on account of not asking the bank clerk about fucking her over her desk ?

20:21:38 ascii_field: but, as i surmise, on account of 'rather die than compete with 16 year-olds on their home turf'

20:22:07 trinque: even that makes very little sense, as though death holds some better alternative

20:22:24 ascii_field: trinque fails pashtun exam

20:22:24 mircea_popescu: competing with 16yos is how you end up fucking 16yos.

20:22:26 funkenstein_: i guess that meatwot wasn't worth sticking around for either. sometimes it isn't.

20:22:29 ascii_field: the 'death before dishonour' part

20:22:33 trinque: haha

20:22:36 trinque: indeed I do

20:22:38 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ interesting how contradictory the proposition is huh

20:23:05 mircea_popescu: "he couldn't leave because he couldn't leave things he couldn't leave and then he left them"

20:23:18 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: competing with 16yos is how you end up fucking 16yos << hence why i said 'home turf'

20:23:35 williamdunne: Bug in orderbook?

20:23:36 williamdunne: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR

20:23:37 assbot: X.EUR last 25@0.00460722 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwXes7 )

20:23:46 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:23:50 ascii_field: advantage as in, where they have whatever advantage (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants)

20:23:50 mircea_popescu: no dude. the species is coded so that women are sluts. which is to say, they fuck the novel.

20:24:01 mircea_popescu: williamdunne what's the bug ?

20:24:11 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Bid/Ask of same value and with positive quantity

20:24:22 mike_c: screenshot? I don't see that.

20:24:26 mircea_popescu: 32 vs 22 ?

20:24:39 mike_c: only bug I see is euros are way overpriced.

20:24:52 mircea_popescu: lol

20:25:24 mircea_popescu: (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants) << this is not what you make it out to be.

20:25:37 williamdunne: http://i.imgur.com/451sxcA.png?1

20:25:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IapZfo )

20:26:17 mircea_popescu: well, that's what i see too

20:26:27 williamdunne: I'm seeing bids and asks at 0.00460732

20:26:30 williamdunne: They should match, no?

20:26:33 mircea_popescu: 0.00460732 130 | 60 0.00460722

20:26:42 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00460732 - 0.00460722

20:26:43 gribble: 9.99999999994e-08

20:26:43 williamdunne: Oh

20:26:44 williamdunne: aha

20:26:49 williamdunne: I missed the 3/2

20:27:58 mircea_popescu: <gribble> 9.99999999994e-08 << that is an... interesting result.

20:28:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17019 @ 0.0003926 = 6.6817 BTC [-]

20:28:59 ascii_field: ^ 'what is the difference between windows 3.1 and windows 3.0?' '0, according to ms calc'

20:29:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172132 >> this fails to expl;ain why hobos go to town rather than diffuse in the fields.

20:29:24 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:42:57; thestringpuller: hobo is a phenomenon of the city imo. if forced to be homeless I'd rather be homeless in a jungle or some deserted island and learn to survive there rather than in a city.

20:29:31 williamdunne: On an unrelated note, I like Tim Parsa of BitReserve

20:30:05 mircea_popescu: williamdunne http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172150 << what's whaleclub

20:30:05 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 15:46:33; williamdunne: !rate Drhelmut 1 WhaleClub TS

20:30:29 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Some teamspeak thing for price speculators

20:30:30 mircea_popescu: a nm is in the log

20:30:54 mircea_popescu: mike_c yo mikey! you missed the event!

20:31:20 mike_c: father's day, spent it by the pool

20:31:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172170 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172172 omfg you guise are mean.

20:31:30 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 15:54:55; ben_vulpes: bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?

20:31:30 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 15:55:36; mats: to be more generous, probably a buncha poor people following TAT around

20:31:52 mircea_popescu: mike_c oh, is that where the whole family gathers around to do osanali and genereally worship you ?

20:32:08 mike_c: yes, except my father was there too, so he got some worship as well.

20:32:32 mike_c: and i don't know what osanali is

20:33:06 mircea_popescu: turkish word. this specific calisthenic routine, person kneels then raises hands and then puts them on teh ground.

20:33:10 mircea_popescu: supposed to show great respek.

20:33:46 mircea_popescu: !rate Drhelmut 1 Runs some sort of teamspeak server.

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20:33:55 mike_c: ah, yes, well that happenned.

20:34:08 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Drhelmut.1:6d6dc0f4b800d51f6f275f4a001247e02f9e809fbfc19fcc7bc78cceb76dff3a

20:34:08 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for Drhelmut with note: Runs some sort of teamspeak server.

20:34:43 mircea_popescu: osanali^ is the plural, and it'd need a thing on the i. otherwise osana, singular.

20:35:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172181 << i suspect it works as a "strengthening weakness". which is to say, because it's so easily to be annoying, encourages people to not be annoying. sort of canary in the mine if you will.

20:35:29 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:02:31; chetty: teamspeak? eew why would one want to have people talking at you all the time?

20:36:28 mircea_popescu: groups benefit from a certain knowledge that a mechanism for disproportionate reaction exists (as discussed in that old arta pedepsirii article). this arrangement simply makes it exist without anyone actuall being personally involved, which is just what you'd expect these days.

20:41:46 mircea_popescu: in other news, that dude i tried to hire to do bitbet advertising absconded with the budget did he.

20:42:38 mircea_popescu: ;;seen isaackl

20:42:39 gribble: isaackl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <isaackl> For BitBet, SEO or finding sites with underutilised ad space (as with 8chan) is probably the way to go? Both take time though. I can send your btc back if you want as tbh I have little expertise in that world. Also let me know if you think my reasoning is flawed.

20:42:47 mircea_popescu: heh.

20:42:59 trinque: "if you want" lol

20:43:04 mircea_popescu: !rated isaackl

20:43:04 assbot: You have not rated isaackl.

20:43:38 mircea_popescu: !rate isaackl -1 was supposed to work for bitbet, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140179 disappeared.

20:43:38 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/90a9fc16fd7c0bc3

20:43:38 assbot: Logged on 20-05-2015 10:08:38; mircea_popescu: i prefer to not communicate lol. do your job, report the methodology and results once you're done. you got a blog ?

20:44:07 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.isaackl.-1:72d3d56f7ac65a6e331b6b725cce0e408b21cf3a566d2340ca65326776f66734

20:44:07 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for isaackl with note: was supposed to work for bitbet, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140179 disappeared.

20:44:31 williamdunne: Seems like it would justify more than a -1

20:44:40 mircea_popescu: !up ksipax

20:44:43 shinohai: That was lame

20:44:55 mircea_popescu: williamdunne dja know how i score these ?

20:45:05 williamdunne: Honestly, no

20:46:18 mircea_popescu: see http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#selection-293.0-301.96

20:46:19 assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx1l7v )

20:47:45 Drhelmut: Yeeah

20:47:48 Drhelmut: I did it

20:47:51 mircea_popescu: lol wd.

20:48:11 Drhelmut: thx for rating mircea

20:48:15 mircea_popescu: aha.

20:48:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172277 << lol win.

20:48:33 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:32:46; assbot: im silly, but not that silly.

20:48:44 Drhelmut: god Wot is not user friendly at all

20:48:59 mircea_popescu: no, it isn't.

20:49:51 mircea_popescu: but, unlike other places that are not user friendly, like the us or the uk, at least it doesn't employ armed men to shoot you for trying to get in.

20:50:11 mircea_popescu: or was it for trying to get out ? i always get my empires mixed up.

20:50:17 Drhelmut: lol

20:51:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172300 << at least get us nudies of the czech hotties then.

20:51:25 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:04:08; williamdunne: ascii_field: Sorry, still not home. Keeps getting delayed. Probably won't be back until Wednesday D:

20:51:41 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Aha

20:51:44 williamdunne: In the UK

20:51:46 williamdunne: Just not at home

20:52:02 mircea_popescu: ah which reminds me. ascii_field you ever seen pulp fiction ?

20:52:17 ascii_field: nope

20:52:26 mircea_popescu: it's a good movie.

20:52:55 mircea_popescu: julius an' vincent have a number of intelligent, culturally relevant discussions. whych is why qt is such an intellectual titan.

20:52:58 *: ascii_field already had it on list, solely on account of who did it, but hasn't yet seen

20:53:05 mircea_popescu: among them, one you'll find familiar.

20:53:07 williamdunne: Watch it

20:53:08 williamdunne: Today

20:53:17 mircea_popescu: While You Drive

20:53:17 williamdunne: Fuck it, imma rewatch it

20:53:50 kakobrekla: http://i.imgflip.com/n47kl.jpg

20:53:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx2wnE )

20:54:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00040611 = 15.554 BTC [+]

20:54:07 mircea_popescu: aahaha

20:54:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172305 << but lulzy.

20:54:50 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:10:13; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171883 < that's microsoft's fud and it never actually took place

20:55:35 mike_c: kakobrekla: lol :D that's a good one

20:56:10 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://i.imgur.com/Z3fFFcj.gifv

20:56:11 assbot: Always remember to remove cat before flight ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx2Z9j )

20:57:52 mircea_popescu: incidentally Drhelmut you ever answered http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172317 ?

20:57:52 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:19:06; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172198 < wait how does this actually work?

21:04:13 shinohai: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-22/pulp-fiction-star-harvey-keitel-sues-e-trade-over-canceled-ads

21:04:14 assbot: ‘Pulp Fiction’ Star Keitel Sues E*Trade Over Ad Campaign - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx4l3U )

21:05:36 mircea_popescu: "C++ is philosophically and cognitively unsound as it forces a violation of all known epistemological processes on the programmer. as a language, it requires you to specify in great detail what you do not know in order to obtain the experience necessary to learn it. "

21:06:11 mircea_popescu: you know there's actually a strong possibility this assertion is correct. from my experience discussing programming with girls that don't program, it often comes to some derivative of exactly this.

21:06:40 mircea_popescu: either "how do you know that", "how was i supposed to know that" or the more broad "this shit is just fucking stupid already"

21:06:53 williamdunne: On a side note something I found to be interesting; whenever it came up that I preferred the traditional model of a wife being submissive to her husband who goes to work while she performs domestic duties, it was made out that I am a neo-nazi by people my own age

21:07:09 mats: thats not egalitarian, man

21:07:14 mircea_popescu: so ?

21:07:27 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:07:29 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i had almost 100% same convo with a maths type who hated programming

21:07:34 ascii_field: for the same reason naggum gav

21:07:34 ascii_field: e

21:07:40 mircea_popescu: i think it's the deep reason for haskell

21:07:47 ascii_field: 'requires me to name shit that doesn't deserve a name and wtf'

21:08:10 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well, I didn't realize quite how deep SJW'ism was engraved into the souls of them

21:08:15 mircea_popescu: but for what it's worth, i don't believe C actually does this. i believe it is merely perceived to do so.

21:08:28 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: c - no

21:08:33 williamdunne: I never even said anything particularly controversial in my opinion; only that I would prefer a wife who didn't work over one that did

21:08:41 ascii_field: cpp, and other idiocies that force-rape the programmer with 'classes' etc - do.

21:09:08 mircea_popescu: williamdunne why would you prefer a wife that didn't work, and if you do, how do you know you're not actually looking for a mistress ?

21:09:19 mircea_popescu: ascii_field even cpp. let's model this on the act of telling a joke.

21:09:31 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Wife was simply for their understanding, I'm not particularly concerned with the idea of marriage

21:09:48 mircea_popescu: now, you've probably heard enough jokes in your time to know there are two basic styles. one style is "some guy walks into a bar" and the other style is "this bloke joe walks into the bar".

21:10:14 ascii_field: (this-bloke (gensym) (walked-into (bar)))

21:10:17 mircea_popescu: the former is often trampled on by scoping questions by the [lamer] members of the audience. the second uses misdirection (the name's a throwaway) to perhaps enhance the results.,

21:10:46 mircea_popescu: "why should i know who some guy's name is to be able to tell a joke ?" "you only need to know the name if you plan to reuse it"

21:11:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71550 @ 0.00037614 = 26.9128 BTC [-] {4}

21:11:29 mircea_popescu: c++ is very faux-texan in this sense.

21:11:43 mircea_popescu: "objective", except the objectivity is pure nominalism.

21:12:11 mircea_popescu: which makes it very much an idealism masquerading as an objectivism which then drives a particular sort of people up the wall.

21:13:46 mircea_popescu: williamdunne point being, if the bitch ain't working for you, she's the pimp and you're the ho.

21:14:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00040074 = 16.771 BTC [+]

21:16:26 felipelalli: this conversation about programming languages, lol!

21:17:38 mircea_popescu: !up Exemus

21:17:48 Drhelmut: good night ppl

21:18:11 mats: programming sucks

21:18:32 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Sure, I guess thats kinda my point

21:18:32 felipelalli: ascii_field: are you a scheme programmer too? If yes, which dialect?

21:18:45 williamdunne: The confusion on my point is the extreme objection to this on the part of my peers

21:19:28 williamdunne: Anyhow, nothing too profound

21:19:35 trinque: felipelalli: one doesn't tend to be an X programmer past a certain proficiency

21:19:38 ascii_field: felipelalli: i haven't used scheme in anger in many years.

21:19:58 mircea_popescu: he mostly uses python :D

21:20:00 williamdunne: Although, I'm now thinking that unless I'm given some particularly large incentive not too, I would like to move somewhere in Eastern Europe

21:20:09 mircea_popescu: williamdunne ukraine ?

21:20:31 felipelalli: trinque: you're right, my question was if ascii_field did program in scheme before.

21:20:34 williamdunne: Hate the language

21:20:43 williamdunne: Not been though

21:20:50 williamdunne: CZ/RO currently on top

21:21:37 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I thought it was quite interesting that Romanian doesn't distinguish between to win and to earn though

21:21:44 mircea_popescu: "one can only imagine what having to lie to your compiler _every_ day and to make unwarranted guesses that your colleagues will depend on the same way they depend on your hard-earned knowledge _does_ to a human brain -- I know I couldn't handle even the prospect of it." << ya ya. welcome to real life (tm). this is what it is. exactly. there shall never be an escape from it, it is the indelible mark of superiority,

21:21:45 mircea_popescu: the notion that one can run out of it by running out of c is ridiculous.

21:22:16 mircea_popescu: ascii_field this goes right into our discussion about how the only reason lisp is ok where c is shot is that the hordes haven't sat on lisp but on c, would have been the other way around if they had sat the other way.

21:22:20 mircea_popescu: preciselythis.

21:22:29 ascii_field: naggum pointed this out

21:22:30 mircea_popescu: williamdunne technically, it's all "gain".

21:22:37 ascii_field: but it is not a complete story

21:22:50 mircea_popescu: ascii_field one day ima have an original thought. i swear.

21:22:50 ascii_field: rather like saying 'this bridge is only here because sufficiently large column of tanks has not yet gone on it'

21:22:55 mircea_popescu: (to my compiler)

21:22:58 ascii_field: technically - guaranteed true.

21:23:13 ascii_field: enough tanks, made of neutron star, and any bridge will go down.

21:23:13 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

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21:24:37 mircea_popescu: williamdunne what you'll be more interested will be to hear that a) romanian uses a unified concept for gain, which covers "gain from playing the one man bandit", "gain for gainful employment", "gain from having said a funny joke", "gaining time" etc, but the actual word, cistiga, is a direct usage of the latin castigat.

21:24:48 mircea_popescu: as in, castigat ridendo mores. to, literally, beat into shape.

21:25:14 williamdunne: Ahh, I wish he'd gone into more detail thats kinda interesting

21:25:17 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172784 <<< overrated and the wife does the bare minimum just like anyone else stuck in a job they hate

21:25:17 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 21:06:53; williamdunne: On a side note something I found to be interesting; whenever it came up that I preferred the traditional model of a wife being submissive to her husband who goes to work while she performs domestic duties, it was made out that I am a neo-nazi by people my own age

21:25:54 williamdunne: cazalla: If they hate the job, why'd ya give it to them?

21:25:58 mircea_popescu: cazalla well if she does that she gets the whip.

21:27:17 trinque: traditional models are for boring people

21:27:49 williamdunne: MP, your model IIRC is pretty interesting..

21:27:51 mircea_popescu: great training tool tho. what's clueless girly to do ?

21:28:19 cazalla: williamdunne, well because she's a good mum (the hate my job part is really just having less time for oneself)

21:29:41 williamdunne: cazalla: Fair nuff, I'm not so keen on the idea of children that I have to look after so between myself and domestic duties they would still have time for themselves, you would hope

21:30:40 cazalla: why do you prefer the traditional model of a wife if no desire for kids?

21:31:03 trinque: think he means that *he* has to bother with

21:31:13 mircea_popescu: either because he wants to buy a whore rather than rent ; or because he wants a mistress but is affraid of her bulls.

21:31:33 mircea_popescu: strangely enough, two very different problems manifesting in the same can.

21:31:47 williamdunne: Permanent companionship/sexual fulfilment without the hassle of children?

21:31:58 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Not really scared of bulls, but I don't want to share

21:31:59 mircea_popescu: this still doesn't answer.

21:32:22 cazalla: williamdunne, biggest mistake i made at your age was believing i needed to get into a relationship with women to maintain regular sex

21:32:47 williamdunne: cazalla: I don't just mean sex

21:33:13 mircea_popescu: are you looking for a woman to worship you, that you really don't give a shit about ; or for a woman to worship yourself, that doesn't really give a shit about you.

21:33:29 williamdunne: Option 3, I suppose

21:33:34 mircea_popescu: there is no option 3.

21:33:46 williamdunne: Well in which case option 1 is the beyond obvious choice

21:34:06 mircea_popescu: never mind what's obvious, nobody asked your impression of collected social pressure. question's what you would rather.

21:34:42 williamdunne: Option 1, its an obvious choice

21:34:49 williamdunne: Not option 1 because societal pressure

21:34:50 mircea_popescu: well so then why shouldn't she work.

21:35:14 trinque: everyone needs something productive to do; what's she going to do, stare at a picture of you all day while you're off living?

21:35:28 mircea_popescu: ^ very good statement of the problem.

21:35:51 williamdunne: Why should she work? Are there not alternatives to a job

21:35:57 williamdunne: kept woman type thing

21:36:05 mircea_popescu: but that's for option 2 folk.

21:36:52 williamdunne: Do you have to worship a paid for companion?

21:37:03 trinque: wtf do you think paid for is?

21:37:20 mircea_popescu: don't the online whores these days call it exactly that ?

21:37:47 mircea_popescu: what is it, "tribute"

21:37:55 trinque: williamdunne: I have had chicks that don't have a career, and seen the detriment idleness can be

21:38:06 trinque: so it's a garden, or whatever, still she needs to see that her life has some kind of point

21:38:09 williamdunne: trinque as if in you pay for their upkeep

21:38:10 williamdunne: Oh sure

21:38:18 williamdunne: But I wouldn't call that work

21:38:29 mircea_popescu: why not ?

21:38:47 cazalla: well if she's not kept busy raising your kids or some other hobby, don't be surprised when she ends up in the bed of another

21:38:52 mircea_popescu: if it's worth paying for is work, and if it's not then it doesn't answer to this line.

21:40:22 mircea_popescu: "Because I am not religious, I have no mystical conception of an afterlife. To me, a person lives on not in Heaven or Hell but instead in the minds and hearts of those they touched while alive"

21:40:23 williamdunne: By work, I strictly mean doing something which you have to do to support yourself financially

21:40:43 mircea_popescu: fucktarded progressive sectarian nuts. "i have no religion except this wonky religion that i claim not to be one"

21:40:55 mircea_popescu: williamdunne like sucking cock ?

21:41:16 williamdunne: If thats what you're paid to do, sure

21:41:49 trinque: so she's supporting herself by being paid by you to do work you find valuable

21:41:51 mircea_popescu: were you basically meaning to say "my idea of ideal marriage is where im just rich enough to not give a fuck" but misstated it as "woman should not work out of the house" and ended up irritating random people ?

21:41:53 trinque: that's work

21:42:20 williamdunne: Pretty much

21:42:42 williamdunne: Only a handful were particularly irritated, and they weren't worth keeping contact with anyhow

21:43:06 trinque: bahaha that's on par with: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-03-2015#1045004

21:43:06 assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 01:58:55; trinque: what I'm gathering though is I have very little rational options beyond get rich, and do it now

21:43:16 cazalla: anyway williamdunne, you're what? 18? i wouldn't even give thought to wife and kids until you hit your 30s or perhaps even later, go whore it up for the next 15 years

21:43:51 williamdunne: Aha, its not something I intend to do within the near future

21:45:15 cazalla: well better to encourage the sluts around you to get naked than to tell them you think a boring housewife is a better proposition than them

21:45:22 mircea_popescu: ^

21:45:36 mircea_popescu: total mismatch between meaning and expression, babyface.

21:46:12 williamdunne: ahahaha

21:46:14 mircea_popescu: btw, check out how nicely the cult's gangster outlook is rounding out! we now have a guy nicknamed babyface even.

21:46:23 cazalla: lol

21:46:25 trinque: !b 2

21:46:26 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3V83AZ2.txt )

21:46:26 mircea_popescu: hopefully someone named schultz joins. i think you haveto have one.

21:46:48 *: trinque needs to start wearing more suits

21:47:06 williamdunne: I lol'd

21:50:56 mircea_popescu: i swear the quality of tx relaying is shittening every day.

21:51:25 mircea_popescu: the number of txn broadcast through one node used to be pretty much zero. i would guess by now it's over 10%. which is fucking insane.

21:52:58 mircea_popescu: (for the amaterus : txn propagation has a lot in common with epidemiology, a topic recently trouched upon here. in any case : the spots where a transaction goes from "unknown" to "broadcast through one node" to "broadcast to the whole net" are interesting in the general case. and the first move thereof a very good measure of "quality", basically speaking the inverse of an infection's pathogenicity)

21:54:15 mircea_popescu: (seeing how a transaction lives as such a finite interval before being included in a block, the % of txn that live as "known to one" vs the total "known to all" is of particular interest)

21:57:01 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172679 actually, it's close to usual paymium price (and that's why i shop there)

21:57:01 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 20:24:39; mike_c: only bug I see is euros are way overpriced.

22:08:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0003973 = 2.4434 BTC [-]

22:11:39 jurov: !up sam0

22:11:50 jurov: !up cardigm

22:12:13 jurov: i implore theee, speak up

22:12:45 mats: https://soundcloud.com/mellomusicgroup/lorange-jeremiah-jae-all-i-need-feat-gift-of-gab

22:12:46 assbot: L'Orange \u0026 Jeremiah Jae - All I Need (feat. Gift Of Gab) by Mello Music Group | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rr4w2g )

22:14:22 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWAK0J8Uhzk

22:14:22 assbot: Meet Porter. The World's First Driving Dog. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rr4J5R )

22:14:39 mats: ill take a dog over a robot any day

22:17:00 jurov: !up ag3nt_zer0

22:17:23 jurov: !gettrust ag3nt_zer0

22:17:24 assbot: Trust relationship from user jurov to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=jurov&to=ag3nt_zer0 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/

22:17:46 ag3nt_zer0: thanks and how goes it...?

22:18:31 jurov: goes okay

22:19:04 jurov: except maybe i found out i killed 88 hours in eulora in june

22:19:09 mats: http://www.cem.me/20150621-pgp-poster.html

22:19:10 assbot: PGP Poster - cem ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxwqHT )

22:19:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00039879 = 17.8259 BTC [+]

22:19:31 mats: would buy this poster

22:19:39 jurov: !rate ag3nt_zer0 1 n3w bl00d

22:19:39 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7c0b76a393c230a7

22:19:42 mats: where's the nubs at

22:19:47 mats: ;;seen nubbins`

22:19:47 gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 0 hours, 30 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <nubbins`> o.O

22:20:07 ag3nt_zer0: jurov: haha well it all ends badly so don't sweat it

22:20:14 jurov: !v assbot:jurov.rate.ag3nt_zer0.1:2e1c33c6523854294ce76c0385e143a9600c5e02c9164ae65268f0d12ed646f6

22:20:14 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for ag3nt_zer0 with note: n3w bl00d

22:20:42 jurov: ohmy another talmudic scholar

22:21:50 ag3nt_zer0: I notice that I am one of the few using the mangled substitution of numbers for characters... if this is crass I can change it haha... but is it possible to migrate my trust? probably not huh?

22:22:07 trinque: who cares?

22:22:15 ag3nt_zer0: haha a talmudic scholar

22:22:21 trinque: u r n0t 2 1337 4 u5

22:22:45 jurov: since you have no ratings yet, can just get a new key and register new acct

22:22:53 jurov: but it's fine i guess

22:24:17 ag3nt_zer0: hi trinque noce to see you

22:25:50 ag3nt_zer0: is it possible that btc will have any positive effect on the wretched educational system?

22:27:28 jurov: !s beatings

22:27:29 assbot: 74 results for 'beatings' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beatings

22:27:43 mats: the beatings will continue until morale improves

22:28:09 trinque: also beatings for not giving out enough beatings

22:28:12 trinque: meta-beatings if you will

22:28:27 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: howdy bub

22:28:28 mats: its beatings all the way down

22:29:40 williamdunne: yo dawg..

22:30:41 ag3nt_zer0: I am coming from the viewpoint of a non-castrated teacher that believes in the transmissibility of the flame - but sees the flame has been hijacked and perverted by the marxist fag multicultis

22:31:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63150 @ 0.0003973 = 25.0895 BTC [-]

22:31:36 jurov: you're t3ach3r?

22:31:43 ag3nt_zer0: haha yeah

22:31:46 cazalla: ag3nt_zer0, not from /pol/ are you ?

22:31:46 ag3nt_zer0: lament

22:32:05 trinque: he's the second to last rhodesian

22:32:38 ag3nt_zer0: cazalla: no, I don't know what that is

22:33:14 williamdunne: ag3nt_zer0: 4chan board

22:33:21 jurov: no, 8chan

22:33:26 jurov: :D

22:33:33 williamdunne: Sorry, both

22:33:44 williamdunne: The politics board on many different imageboards

22:33:58 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: seems to me you can't fix education in its present form.

22:34:22 trinque: current system is predicated on the idea that mass production of "educated" is even possible

22:34:51 trinque: amply treated here in many threads already

22:34:52 trinque: !s education

22:34:53 assbot: 451 results for 'education' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=education

22:35:00 ag3nt_zer0: oh ok great thansk

22:35:17 williamdunne: Eh, seems like it is a good thing even if just at a primary level

22:35:33 williamdunne: Although the whole no kid left behind thing is bullshit no matter the level

22:35:34 trinque: williamdunne: sure and that primary level shouldn't be considered educated

22:36:00 williamdunne: Sorry, misread as "education" as a wider group rather than educated

22:36:21 ag3nt_zer0: yes, the system is fucked, but I wonder about the feasibility of something created entirely outside of it... maybe on a barge...

22:36:26 trinque: heh!

22:36:29 trinque: !s sealand

22:36:30 assbot: 15 results for 'sealand' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sealand

22:36:58 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: worked for the scientologists though

22:37:01 trinque: there's a cult that got places

22:37:09 ag3nt_zer0: williamdunne: yes no matter what some will be left behind

22:37:16 trinque: their tax exempt status is the greatest heist of all time

22:37:18 trinque: or one of.

22:37:53 trinque: no product, fanatics at your disposal, massive prices for your non-product, no taxes

22:37:57 trinque: kidding me?

22:38:11 williamdunne: ag3nt_zer0: Thats my point

22:38:31 williamdunne: Oh

22:38:35 williamdunne: ignore me

22:38:51 trinque: and hell I'm only half kidding

22:38:56 trinque: look at what those fucking nutbags pulled off

22:42:31 cazalla: i guess 2 year data retention wasn't enough.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-22/governments-bill-to-block-foreign-piracy-websites-passes-senate/6565098

22:42:32 assbot: Internet piracy: Federal Government's legislation to block websites passes Senate - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxyUpG )

22:42:56 trinque: artifexd: save us obi wan kenobi

22:43:17 ag3nt_zer0: anyone else see this?: http://news.google.com/news/url?sr=1&ct2=us%2F1_0_s_0_1_a&sa=t&usg=AFQjCNGXNGPBMfwnUjDkQ50881YdL1b3IQ&cid=52778884659320&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.techworm.net%2F2015%2F06%2Fgoogle-chrome-secretly-downloads-an-audio-listener-to-your-pc-that-can-snoop-on-you.html&ei=bo-IVainNMHsmALdxKO4Dw&rt=SECTION&vm=STANDARD&bvm=section&did=-2365193554698942914&sid=-2195956548148024079&ssid=cstm&at=dt0

22:43:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bxz00D )

22:43:30 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: yup, "ok google"

22:43:42 trinque: just them doing their job, really

22:44:26 jurov: !up blazes816

22:44:59 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: given what an extraordinary intelligence asset google hypothetically "could" be it's inconceivable that they are not

22:45:17 trinque: and the relationship is likely 5% official

22:46:06 mats: is pretty well known schmidt is part of meta-nsa

22:46:20 trinque: yeah

22:46:33 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yes sure...

22:47:21 mats: other statal regimes have realized google's sigint model beats deep packet inspection every time

22:47:28 mats: so guess whats being built nao

22:47:38 ag3nt_zer0: well, can't wait till maidsafe saves us all from that!... kidding

22:49:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00040169 = 9.0179 BTC [+] {2}

22:50:43 jurov: ag3nt_zer0: you can now !up yourself

22:51:50 williamdunne: Has anything been said by maidsafe recently?

22:52:24 williamdunne: Eh, looks like some code is happening at least

22:52:25 williamdunne: https://github.com/maidsafe

22:52:26 assbot: MaidSafe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDoR1A )

22:52:59 williamdunne: this is *definitely* not an endorsement, I was simply wondering if they'd run with the money or if they were pretending to do something

22:53:43 jurov: maybe both

22:58:27 cazalla: crashing this plane.. with NO SURVIVORS! http://corporate.lot.com/pl/en/press-news?article=772922

22:58:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDpgkA )

22:58:53 cazalla: (hax0r3d planes)

23:01:12 ag3nt_zer0: so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree?

23:02:19 ag3nt_zer0: jaberwocky philosophy

23:05:51 williamdunne: ;;seen indiancandy1

23:05:51 gribble: indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <indiancandy1> i watched her documentry

23:06:21 williamdunne: documentry

23:06:22 williamdunne: lol

23:07:07 trinque: williamdunne: did you ever get her keys squared? lol

23:07:20 williamdunne: Nope, she never came back while I was still in the UK

23:07:45 trinque: haha, just as well

23:08:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31153 @ 0.00041001 = 12.773 BTC [+] {2}

23:08:52 mats: http://yifan.lu/2015/06/21/hacking-the-ps-vita

23:08:53 assbot: Yifan Lu | Hacking the PS Vita ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxBrjG )

23:13:36 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: no offense but I have no idea what you just said

23:15:11 trinque: care to restate?

23:16:57 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: structuralism smacks of "that stolen-from is not your stolen-from; it's all of ours"

23:17:26 trinque: an attempt of many to claim some aggregate which supercedes the individual

23:18:11 trinque: so if it's one of those, oldest swindle there is

23:18:59 trinque: I don't see anything new; talented people try to do interesting things, and others try to hold him back to varying degrees

23:24:56 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far as i understand,

23:25:00 ag3nt_zer0: agains tradition

23:25:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26060 @ 0.00041975 = 10.9387 BTC [+] {6}

23:25:56 ag3nt_zer0: I guess I am just trying to grasy what mp was excited about... it did seem like he saw a lot of light in the development, philosophically speaking

23:26:04 ag3nt_zer0: nevermind I don't know what the hell

23:26:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94740 @ 0.00042304 = 40.0788 BTC [+]

23:27:13 trinque: ah, you'll have to ask him then

23:27:26 ag3nt_zer0: anyway it's just nice to be in a room that has some good heads in it...

23:30:31 trinque: yep

23:30:40 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: how do you define traditionalism?

23:32:50 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: shotgun definition: orientation toward a suprahuman or transcendental "dimension"

23:33:21 ag3nt_zer0: Plato was a traditional philosopher

23:36:04 trinque: it's interesting then to see humanism in contrast to that term, as humanism seems to imagine this platonic form of "human" which we all resemble, and are therefore intrinsically valuable somehow

23:36:16 ag3nt_zer0: it is really perennial traditionalism, or perennialism that I am thinking of

23:38:03 ag3nt_zer0: well I suppose one way to english the difference is that a traditional orientation would be vertical (upward, toward the absolute, what not), vs horizontal (man is measure of all things and human contentment and "happiness" main goals)

23:40:39 trinque: I tend to be wary of systems that try to provide a taxonomy of human action

23:41:47 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: I see roughly what you're pointing at; what do you make of it?

23:42:08 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: still making of it hehe

23:42:14 punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/06/part3topnew.jpg

23:42:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhjEQr )

23:42:20 asciilifeform: in other news, happy 22nd june, actual-start-of-ww2-day, to all.

23:42:47 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: more pointedly, I tend to assume that where someone makes broad generalizations about "being", they've actually given me a command

23:43:21 trinque: and I tend to interpret it along those lines, rather than there actually existing some transcendental realm where concepts exist, dance about, generating meaning

23:45:29 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well the stuff of matter must rest upon something, no?

23:45:46 trinque: thought that which matter rests upon was an open question

23:47:32 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: are you a mathematical person?

23:47:46 ag3nt_zer0: are you interested in mathematics?

23:48:10 trinque: I'm just a derpy guy with very little formal education.

23:48:40 ag3nt_zer0: haha which means you have been subjected to less lobotomy

23:49:05 trinque: somewhat; though I will not tell the future students of the republic's university to do otherwise

23:53:00 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: this is what's up my butt... maybe I am obsolete but my intellection seems to have plateaued here: http://tohno-chan.com/ddl/src/Rene_Guenon_-_The_Crisis_of_the_Modern_World.pdf

23:53:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhkQDg )

23:54:41 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: thanks, I'll put it in my queue to read

23:56:18 ag3nt_zer0: np