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00:00:12 benkay: <jurov> benkay, i like to tease you. but still, dreaming of building full-stack mpex model which will get obsolete on mircea's whims... // the point is not a full model of mpex, the point is a full testing of all paths through a codebase, guaranteeing its performance under known inputs.

00:00:28 benkay: clearly, a changing of order-id's would have been (prior to today) an unknown unput

00:16:31 thestringpuller: Joys of driving a fast car: when there is no traffic, get home instantly.

00:16:44 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

00:16:45 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 619.99, Best ask: 622.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.01000, Last trade: 622.0, 24 hour volume: 3952.32574325, 24 hour low: 615.0, 24 hour high: 627.69, 24 hour vwap: 619.695633373

00:35:05 asciilifeform: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/can-the-su-25-intercept-and-shoot-down-a-777 << airplane wank

00:35:06 assbot: Can the Su-25 intercept and shoot down a 777? | Locklin on science

00:38:37 dub: obama said they had a bird overhead so he has the whole thing in 4k res with 5.1 dolby

00:41:50 dub: pretty obvious at this point why he's not sharing

00:42:18 asciilifeform: dub: 'pixar' render farm only goes so fast.

00:42:31 dub: no doubt

00:43:43 dub: a bit more work than the soviet 'radar leak'

00:45:13 benkay: thestringpuller: the leaf can go faster than 60 mph?

00:47:15 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/07/fact-free-zone.html << more airplanewank, this time orlov's

00:56:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11205 @ 0.00080752 = 9.0483 BTC [-] {3}

01:10:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 272 @ 0.00299998 = 0.816 BTC [+] {4}

01:22:35 decimation: re: mh17 : I find it hard to believe that someone who has the skills to successfully operate a high-altuitude SAM system can also fail to properly identify his target, especially confusing a 777 with a plane half its size and operated by prop

01:23:33 decimation: with a service ceiling 10,000 feet below the 777 altutitude

01:30:02 dub: speaking to that last analysis there has been a palpable sense of desperation in anything out of kiev lately

01:31:24 decimation: re: kitesurfing, it is an extremely dangerous sport, people die all the time

01:32:31 decimation: re: other people's glasses: obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836

01:32:32 assbot: Loper OS » Programmer’s Editors, Illustrated.

01:36:10 mircea_popescu: <dub> pretty obvious at this point why he's not sharing << accidentally also merkel sunbathing nude in background ?

01:37:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00285407 = 1.427 BTC [-] {9}

01:39:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.02890175 = 1.4451 BTC [-]

01:59:58 asciilifeform: ;;remove 21092

01:59:59 gribble: Order 21092 removed.

02:00:38 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: got me a xyz mover.

02:00:56 kakobrekla: good stuff, which one?

02:00:57 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 100 usd. try that on for size.

02:01:03 kakobrekla: jesus.

02:01:14 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: old 'microarrayer' carcass.

02:01:46 kakobrekla: if it fits your requirements, defo a better choice.

02:01:47 *: asciilifeform miser, cackles

02:02:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2013#377837

02:02:21 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:07:00 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: swiss motors. same ones, actually, as in the machine i used to program.

02:07:10 asciilifeform: ('maxon')

02:11:12 xmj: so

02:11:26 xmj: fluffypony: earlier today i've incorporated something in the US.

02:11:30 xmj: "just 'cause"

02:15:36 decimation: ascii was it on ebay?

02:15:46 asciilifeform: decimation: aye

02:16:05 decimation: I find most ebay electronics to be overpriced

02:16:42 decimation: anything with "hp" on the label goes for 2x what it is worth

02:17:01 asciilifeform: decimation: for consumer junk, sure. but these motors, alone, usually sell for a few 100s each.

02:17:20 kakobrekla: servos?

02:17:31 asciilifeform: steppers

02:17:33 decimation: I gues the lesson is to buy parts, not assembled equipment

02:17:35 kakobrekla: a.

02:18:00 asciilifeform: decimation: i usually use ebay to source 'one of a kind' relics like this.

02:18:06 kakobrekla: new cnc parts arent cheap. used ones sometiems re.

02:18:08 kakobrekla: are

02:19:07 kakobrekla: for 100$ i cant even ship my machine domestically.

02:19:09 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for this application, i don't really need the stiffness of a traditional cnc rail set. but the '3d printer' kits are also unsuitable (poor accuracy, and they usually have moving tables.)

02:19:50 kakobrekla: yea

02:20:37 xmj: g'morning

02:20:49 decimation: ascii what will you use for a position sensor

02:20:52 xmj: what's the quickest way to get a US EIN after incorporating?

02:20:58 asciilifeform: decimation: optics

02:21:56 decimation: marked reference points or the board itself?

02:22:58 asciilifeform: decimation: board.

02:23:08 asciilifeform: decimation: (and component trolleys)

02:23:52 decimation: that would be slick

02:23:55 asciilifeform: decimation: initially this thing will be put in service as, essentially, a waldo.

02:25:36 decimation: waldo?

02:26:03 asciilifeform: ;;google waldo robot

02:26:04 gribble: Remote manipulator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_manipulator; Waldo (short story) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldo_(short_story); Waldo (remote manipulator) - Muppet Wiki: http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Waldo_(remote_manipulator)

02:26:57 asciilifeform: decimation: traditional name for any robotic gizmo driven manually

02:30:29 decimation: heh from heinlein. is this an advantage because it has finer controls than your hand?

02:30:49 asciilifeform: decimation: considerably finer. and stays vertical.

02:31:18 decimation: perhaps with the future hope of creating a closed-loop automated system

02:31:35 asciilifeform: future.

03:06:36 Vexual: wtf are you building ascii? optics= machine vision, or are you talking smaller?

03:07:07 mircea_popescu: he's taken the sexbot discussion to heart.

03:07:49 Vexual: lol

03:09:44 Vexual: piezo love needs a lot of foreplay

03:18:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re aaron toponce's "urandom, random, same thing&what the hell's the difference", i guess some people just don't wanna sit down and actually get a megabyte to work on.

03:36:09 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/ << page wordcount ? 8553. total bet ? 7.440

03:36:09 assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 3 weeks 4 days ago

03:37:37 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/LM8vO8z

03:37:38 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

03:38:02 mircea_popescu: i'd do her.

03:38:30 nubbins`: might wanna check her teeth first

03:38:42 mircea_popescu: course non-monkey tits are on the abdomen not on the torso, but w/e

03:38:42 dub: eww smoker

03:39:08 nubbins`: well ya know. realism this ain't

03:39:21 nubbins`: i don't think zebras have six tits at any location on their body

03:40:33 mircea_popescu: four, by the pubic mound. like all herbivores.

03:41:06 mircea_popescu: basically that little bit of fat under the hair above a gal's gash turns into an udder with herbivores.

03:43:32 nubbins`: gash

03:48:54 nubbins`: ham wallet

03:52:30 nubbins`: salmon canyon

03:52:48 dub: sausage wallet

03:53:00 nubbins`: heh

03:53:12 mircea_popescu: not everyone's thin, dub.

03:53:14 nubbins`: do you put your money in a leather wallet or a dollar wallet?

03:54:48 nubbins`: ;;ud ham wallet

03:54:49 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ham%20Wallet | Mike: Jenny? Jenny: Yeah Mike? Mike: I was thinking about melting your fucking face off by rocking your ham wallet for six hours, what do you think?

03:55:16 mircea_popescu: dude this is a sad generation.

03:55:38 nubbins`: the gentleman wishes to rock the lady's ham wallet for six hours

03:56:29 mircea_popescu: no.

03:56:49 mircea_popescu: the gentleman aspires to a position of dominance, imagines himself unable to cope and offers the sad copout of ... 6 hours ?

03:56:50 mircea_popescu: heh.

03:57:30 nubbins`: if you can't do it well, do it for an unpleasantly long time

03:57:45 nubbins`: ;;google havelock

03:57:45 gribble: Havelock Investments: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/; Havelock, North Carolina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havelock,_North_Carolina; Havelock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havelock

03:58:10 nubbins`: hm.

03:58:12 nubbins`: ;;ud havelock

03:58:13 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Havelock | Aug 20, 2005 ... Example 1. *Man walks into post* "Dude, you just pulled a Havelock" Example 2. "My new Havelock is very warm, I think I'll wear it to school".

04:02:09 mircea_popescu: ;;ud mpex

04:02:09 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mpex.net | ... mpec · mpeepee · mpeg · mpenzi · Mpex.net · MPF · mpfag · MPFF · mpffffffffhahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh · MPFH · MPFM · mpfree ... Mpex.net isn't defined.

04:02:19 mircea_popescu: lolk

04:02:33 Vexual: unbeliezable

04:02:39 mircea_popescu: ahahah

04:02:57 Vexual: can we get mcafee in here? i know he watches

04:02:59 copumpkin: mpex.ws works!

04:03:02 copumpkin: weird

04:03:35 copumpkin: oh, and the statement came out too!

04:03:37 copumpkin: it's christmas

04:04:41 mircea_popescu: how's lyf copumpkin ?

04:05:10 copumpkin: going pretty well! you?

04:06:09 mircea_popescu: well actually... i think there's a fire in the building.

04:06:38 copumpkin: that sounds somewhat problematic

04:07:10 mircea_popescu: myeah.

04:07:36 copumpkin: what are you doing about it?

04:07:45 nubbins`: Vexual that would be rad

04:08:44 mircea_popescu: copumpkin same thing i'm doing about global warming. waiting it the shit out.

04:08:52 Vexual: lol

04:08:54 copumpkin: sounds like a plan

04:09:01 copumpkin: perhaps not the best plan

04:09:04 copumpkin: but definitely a plan

04:09:26 mircea_popescu: it's pretty good. they do integral poured concrete building here, everything's built like a fucking dam.

04:09:53 mircea_popescu: i think the net effect of half the entire thing burning to a crisp would be slightly warmer walls.

04:10:15 Vexual: you qou keep the requisite amount of climbing rope on hand?

04:10:47 mircea_popescu: im a floor above some shit that's a coupla floors above ground. i could just basically walk out the window if needed.

04:10:48 nubbins`: not sure if i mentioned this earlier, but i sold the rights to use one of my prints for a cassette cover today

04:10:56 nubbins`: to this kid named johnny cowabunga :0

04:10:59 mircea_popescu: nubbins` lotta dough ?

04:11:03 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

04:11:18 nubbins`: sliding scale, i let the kid away with $50 ;D

04:11:32 nubbins`: and a free cassette

04:11:42 mircea_popescu: i'd have asked for the wife.

04:11:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, having banged cheri cowabunga

04:11:54 nubbins`: i can add it to my collection of tapes that i can't play

04:12:07 Vexual: my car plays tapes

04:12:15 mircea_popescu: s/car/cat

04:13:05 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: what do you drive?

04:13:13 mircea_popescu: i don't drive.

04:13:19 copumpkin: what are you driven in?

04:13:29 mircea_popescu: ideally a mercedes.

04:13:52 copumpkin: how do you get around?

04:14:31 nubbins`: he pays people to chauffeur him :0

04:14:42 mircea_popescu: something like that.

04:14:48 nubbins`: heh

04:14:56 mircea_popescu: also, i walk.

04:15:10 nubbins`: anything less than an hour is automatic walk for me

04:15:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i'm about 200 yards from the natl theatre, right behind the courthouse, half mile from the presidency and about a mile from the congress.

04:16:01 mircea_popescu: o and half a mile from the city congress

04:16:41 mircea_popescu: my lawyer's half a mile that way, the best sushi in town is a quarter mile this way, on it goes. longest walk i ever have to take is to get to the jooz quarter.

04:16:54 mthreat: here's his limo: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Buenos_Aires_-_Colectivo_108_-_120209_111802.jpg

04:17:19 mircea_popescu: mthreat i've yet to try teh mass transit here

04:17:31 Vexual: popescuist!

04:17:32 mircea_popescu: but the cab service is really really good.

04:17:48 mthreat: ya taxis are good and cheap

04:18:02 mircea_popescu: this place is what new york wishes it were.

04:18:18 Vexual: did you get any pirhana yet?

04:18:26 mircea_popescu: even the matzah ball's better.

04:18:48 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: reminds me of being in boston

04:19:00 mircea_popescu: how ?

04:19:09 copumpkin: :(

04:19:09 copumpkin: I used to walk everywhere

04:19:14 copumpkin: not even public transport

04:19:46 mircea_popescu: a yes.

04:20:10 Vexual: hows the spanish progressing mircea?

04:20:22 mircea_popescu: try getting dumplings without fucking margerine in new york, it's nigh on impossible. fucktards.

04:20:52 TheNewDeal: walking is kind of like public transport

04:21:36 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal why, do you normally carry people ?

04:22:07 TheNewDeal: for a small fee

04:22:12 mircea_popescu: http://blog.nationalcarbrokers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Mercedes-BIOME012.jpg << new from mercedes! a vacuum cleanner!

04:23:50 copumpkin: lol

04:25:18 Vexual: id want a few glasses of pino gris before i drove that, so that i might imagine where the road is

04:25:27 TheNewDeal: quiz question: what is the financial incentive in copying someone else's odds on bitbet, but at a fraction of their bet? re: http://bitbet.us/bet/1000/republicans-win-majority-of-the-u-s-senate/

04:25:27 assbot: BitBet - Republicans win majority of the U.S. Senate :: 0.77 B (64%) on Yes, 0.43 B (36%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 99`870 (100`000 to 1)

04:25:59 TheNewDeal: you're banking on them getting the odds correct?

04:26:12 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal this was discussed earlier, re financial products. what the fuck is the buzzword, i forget

04:26:28 mircea_popescu: someone or the other had introduced this option to "copy" other trader's strategy

04:26:28 TheNewDeal: !s lawgs

04:26:29 assbot: 6 results for 'lawgs' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=lawgs

04:27:04 TheNewDeal: so what you're telling me is, it's in the lawgs https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z ?

04:27:04 assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip

04:27:25 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal mkay lemme see here

04:28:15 TheNewDeal: love reading that every time

04:30:01 mircea_popescu: a ok found it.

04:30:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2014#741872

04:30:14 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

04:33:38 mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel

04:33:47 gabriel_laddel: First pass at a 20 post care package: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aakdQD9P

04:34:09 gabriel_laddel: Regarding sexbots, I'm surprised that no one has brought the custom maid 3d integration with oculus rift.

04:34:17 gabriel_laddel: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73799908&postcount=309 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVJ5zNLsOwY http://vimeo.com/79173606

04:34:18 assbot: NeoGAF - View Single Post - Penis-Powered Game Gets Oculus Rift Support (Post #309 hands-on review)

04:34:19 assbot: Zozzerie con L'OCULUS RIFT - YouTube

04:34:19 assbot: VR TENGA DEMO (2): Oculus RiftNovint FalconTENGA on Vimeo

04:34:47 mircea_popescu: "The Last Psychaiarist" << that's not spelled thusly.

04:34:56 gabriel_laddel: ty

04:36:18 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel well i suspect we're really very noobish masturbators.

04:36:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00080758 = 6.1376 BTC [+]

04:37:00 mircea_popescu: fluffypony mebbe you should hire THIS guy to do those summaries.

04:48:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00081098 = 7.5827 BTC [+]

04:59:34 TheNewDeal: after reading, still not sure on what the consensus was? Really doesn't matter, because you don't know what future bets will be?

05:00:32 mircea_popescu: really does not matter, because while it saves on the direct question (what to bet) it creates the meta question (whom to copy).

05:00:39 mircea_popescu: these being equally hard... nothing has changed.

05:01:57 copumpkin: so much for that MPOE selloff I was expecting

05:07:33 asciilifeform: Vexual: wtf are you building << cardanos.

05:07:51 asciilifeform: srsly

05:08:12 asciilifeform: what'd ya think? tanks? rockets?

05:08:22 Vexual: no ots cemeras is fine

05:09:27 TheNewDeal: chimeras!?!

05:09:46 asciilifeform: chimeras, we build later.

05:10:30 *: mircea_popescu recommends fucking chimeras. it's fucking weird in a good way.

05:11:35 mircea_popescu: "While from innate cowardice the upper classes turn away from a man whom the Jew attacks with lies and slander, the broad masses from stupidity or simplicity believe everything. The state authorities either cloak themselves in silence or, what usually happens, in order to put an end to the Jewish press campaign, they persecute the unjustly attacked, which, in the eyes of such an official ass, passes as the preservation

05:11:36 mircea_popescu: of state authority and the safeguarding of law and order."

05:11:42 mircea_popescu: let's play "guess the author"

05:12:10 asciilifeform: herr schicklegruber

05:13:05 TheNewDeal: adolph

05:13:21 TheNewDeal: -ph +f

05:13:25 mircea_popescu: ahjahaha adolph herr schicklegruber

05:13:33 mircea_popescu: that's it, best name ever.

05:14:19 Vexual: the red nosed fcist

05:14:26 asciilifeform: ;;google alois schicklgruber

05:14:27 gribble: Alois Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler; Ancestry of Adolf Hitler - 20th Century History - About.com: http://history1900s.about.com/od/hitleradolf/a/hitlerancestry.htm; Alois Hitler, father to Adolf - History in an HourHistory in an Hour: http://www.historyinanhour.com/2012/01/03/alois-hitler-hitlers-father/

05:15:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a srsly ? i had no idea.

05:15:25 asciilifeform: btw 'table talk' is the 'fun hitler.'

05:15:34 asciilifeform: mk is a snore.

05:16:40 mircea_popescu: i find it very amusing, this tendency of the simpleton to personalise. first, the gods are guys (and some gals), because why the fuck not. then, Nature, has a will. finally, the pernicious working of the democratic/populist press become "jewish".

05:16:50 mircea_popescu: i'd rather blame von bismarck tbh.

05:17:33 mircea_popescu: it's not the jew's fault that old otto wanted functionaries and officers and so started schooling the peasantry, whether the peasantry wanted any schooling or not.

05:20:09 Vexual: shalom

05:20:30 Vexual: salaam

05:21:30 asciilifeform: 'Nowadays humanity depends basically on the whale for its nourishment with fats. I gather that the number of whales in the seas of the world tends rather to fall than to increase. The East will supply us with the vegetable fats that will replace whale-oil.'

05:21:36 asciilifeform: true genius!

05:21:48 asciilifeform: amazing! observation.

05:21:48 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

05:22:13 mircea_popescu: well... wrong in all particular points tho. it was chiefly tallow all through history, not whale fat.

05:22:14 asciilifeform: http://www.archive.org/stream/HitlersTableTalk/HitlersTableTalk_djvu.txt

05:22:17 assbot: Full text of "Hitlers Table Talk"

05:22:26 mircea_popescu: and it was the west (specifically, the french, that made margerine. and linoleum)

05:22:33 asciilifeform: wrong in all particular points << carefully picked for this

05:23:01 asciilifeform: 'The water-cooled engine will have to disappear completely.'

05:23:31 asciilifeform: 'Instead of obtaining petrol from coal by a complicated process, it's preferable to compel certain categories of users to employ vehicles equipped with gas-generators.' << incidentally this was what 'gasenwagen' originally meant.

05:23:49 asciilifeform: they're still on the roads, i'm told, in pissholes like finland.

05:24:12 mircea_popescu: all over europe. most cabs burn gpl.

05:24:30 asciilifeform: no, no. not liquified gasses. coal gas.

05:24:45 mircea_popescu: the difference is nigligible.

05:24:48 mircea_popescu: whale gas.

05:24:52 asciilifeform: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/woodgascar.jpg

05:24:55 asciilifeform: that one. CO.

05:25:13 asciilifeform: ^ yes, it's a stove.

05:25:18 Vexual: thats a mobile sauna

05:25:25 mircea_popescu: lol

05:25:32 asciilifeform: the 'other sauna.'

05:28:58 Vexual: rba boss says real economy needs "animal spirits"

05:31:13 Vexual: no dollar policy?

05:33:29 TheNewDeal: animal spirits sounds tasty

05:36:40 Vexual: growth expected

05:39:20 Vexual: aka wait and see

05:40:04 Vexual: meahwhile...

05:51:53 TheNewDeal: what does the line indicate on the bitbet.us histograph?

05:52:52 TheNewDeal: I'm quite fairly sure I understand the greenish vs red colors. But there's also a, perhaps, darker green line as well.

05:52:54 mircea_popescu: total volume

05:53:04 TheNewDeal: ahhhh

05:53:29 mircea_popescu: it being monotonous is kind of a giveaway

05:55:23 TheNewDeal: what do you mean?

05:55:41 mircea_popescu: notice how it always goes up ?

05:56:01 TheNewDeal: well I never really noticed it before

05:56:11 mircea_popescu: bitbet. giving the bitcoin population the sort of graphs it wants to see. since 2012.

05:56:39 TheNewDeal: not so mach

05:56:48 TheNewDeal: I want to see a game of life style graph

05:57:08 TheNewDeal: war of life *

06:47:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00081098 = 3.7711 BTC [+]

08:11:11 jurov: http://www.ahametals.com/most-expensive-bitcoin-painting/

08:11:12 assbot: The Most Expensive Bitcoin Painting Ever Sold - American Hard Assets

08:11:19 jurov: BLOCKCHAIN JESUS

08:21:20 fluffypony: holy shit, Bitcoin Judas is Mark Karpeles - LOL!

09:50:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13670 @ 0.00080961 = 11.0674 BTC [-] {2}

09:57:40 fluffypony: what just happened

09:58:08 xmj: what?

09:58:15 fluffypony: netsplit?

10:05:59 pankkake: yes

10:07:03 fluffypony: kk

10:08:06 xmj: What's the best way of trust brokering you've found so far? instilling trust between two parties that do not yet now each other directly.)

10:12:59 fluffypony: depends

10:13:27 fluffypony: if it's transactional, then a series of progressively larger escrowed deals establish historicity

10:13:31 fluffypony: from which trust can be derived

10:14:07 xmj: that works well in an iterative context

10:14:19 xmj: how do you instill trust -right from the start- ?

10:14:25 cazalla: anyone want to buy 10k atc?

10:14:46 xmj: fluffypony: suppose i know you and cazalla but you don't know each other

10:14:58 xmj: fluffypony: suppose ive had a good history of business deals with each of you

10:15:08 fluffypony: well that's what the WoT is for

10:15:10 xmj: fluffypony: how do i leverage that into getting you two to trust each other?

10:15:16 fluffypony: cazalla wants to sell 10k ATC

10:15:19 fluffypony: I've never dealt with cazalla

10:15:29 fluffypony: you trust cazalla , I trust you, I talk to you about your trust relationship with cazalla

10:15:41 xmj: WoT works well if you have any formal (eg software) framework for WoT'ing

10:19:46 xmj: how do you do that in more loose (ie social) networks?

10:23:07 cazalla: ;;sell 10000 ATC at 0.00000220 BTC 0.00000220 or better send PM

10:23:08 gribble: Order id 21124 created.

10:23:40 xmj: hmhm

10:24:05 fluffypony: tough one

10:25:03 xmj: i'll figure something out

10:25:14 xmj: it's my longterm (>5 years) plan, i have time.

10:25:40 fluffypony: a WoT Facebook plugin :-P

10:26:17 xmj: WoT as a Service.

10:26:21 xmj: Cloud WoT

10:26:27 xmj: Cloud of Trust.

10:26:28 xmj: bingo.

10:27:46 pankkake: that's what linkedin is supposed to be, too

10:28:16 fluffypony: CoT

10:28:18 fluffypony: I'm down with that

10:31:54 xmj: did you just buy the .com domain?

10:32:19 xmj: no, my order went through.

10:32:30 xmj: cloudoftrust.{com,org}

10:32:40 fluffypony: lol

10:33:26 xmj: there was a lot of drinking involved yesterday.

10:33:30 *: xmj coughs

10:33:57 fluffypony: I wore my DM Baar t-shirt yesterday

10:34:11 xmj: awesome

10:34:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3000 @ 0.00278558 = 8.3567 BTC [-] {22}

10:35:06 xmj: i've resolved to running game on -everyone-

10:43:23 xmj: it does seem like in non-formal contexts iterative interaction history is the common way

10:43:29 xmj: there has to be a better deal.

11:21:06 chetty: xmj: it does seem like in non-formal contexts iterative interaction history is the common way xmj: there has to be a better deal// seriously trust is pretty much a function that can not be delegated

11:22:17 xmj: i bet it can

11:25:53 chetty: perhaps I should have said, shouldn't be. people do manage all sorts of stupids

11:26:22 xmj: delegation isn't the part that interests me

11:26:22 pankkake: a good example would be those btc lending sites

11:26:26 xmj: proxying and facilitating.

11:26:33 pankkake: which use social for verification or something

11:32:53 chetty: thing is blind trust gets folks in trouble all the time, how many people thought Gox was ok because everybody is using it?

11:35:16 chetty: (btw this is a discussion worth having imo, just in case there is a solution)

11:37:52 xmj: Science to the rescue.

11:38:02 xmj: Lucky for me there's a whole subfield of Game theory.

11:38:08 xmj: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1843493

11:38:09 assbot: The Human Face of Game Theory: Trust and Reciprocity in Sequential Games by Catherine C. Eckel, Rick K. Wilson :: SSRN

11:38:13 xmj: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0899825603001192

11:38:15 assbot: How to identify trust and reciprocity

11:38:28 xmj: http://www.nber.org/papers/w5864

11:38:29 assbot: Trust in Large Organizations

11:39:59 punkman: xmj: WoT works well if you have any formal (eg software) framework for WoT'ing <- no that's exactly when WoT can fail catastrophically

11:40:06 punkman: trust is fuzzy

11:40:33 xmj: sure

11:40:34 punkman: and you can't magically make it appear out of thin air

11:40:41 xmj: you should.

11:41:06 xmj: Oh look: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2586897?uid=3737920&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104515428523

11:41:08 assbot: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

11:41:09 punkman: because you like the idea?

11:43:14 cazalla: well if it isn't the merchant meme teasing redditor Pierre_Rochard

11:43:49 Pierre_Rochard: Morning cazalla. We get complaints about that one every time it shows up

11:43:55 xmj: punkman: mostly because i work that way

11:44:27 xmj: A tells me they trust B, which makes me trust B through A's proxying (conditional on my estimation of A)

11:45:03 punkman: that doesn't create trust where there is none

11:45:19 xmj: we're not talking about that situation anyway?

11:45:42 punkman: sounded like that to me

11:46:07 xmj: A <trust> B <trust> C. how does B leverage his bonds between B<>A and B<>C to make A <trust> C appear/

11:46:07 punkman: if you have an indirect connection you talk to that guy first of course

11:46:10 xmj: ?

11:46:37 xmj: sure, that's from the perspective of A. think of it from B's perspective!

11:46:39 pankkake: "You seem to be unaware that CoinLenders and Inputs are independent. They've always quite clearly stated that there are no warranties of any kind for coins stored there, as such I do not owe you your claimed amount"

11:47:14 fluffypony: lol

11:47:26 fluffypony: if this was twitter I'd hashtag that with #delusional

11:47:39 punkman: xmj, I suppose that's when B acts as escrow

11:47:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00081126 = 7.9503 BTC [+] {3}

11:48:00 punkman: he could escrow a fidelity bond

11:49:34 xmj: interesting

11:49:44 xmj: i did not know escrow was the term i was looking for

11:51:50 chetty: I trust MP, if MP says he trusts B, should I trust B or should I do my own homework?

11:52:39 punkman: chetty, the answer is both, but if the trust connections are good enough, you could skip the due dilligence

11:53:23 chetty: exactly, and the crux is the 'good enough', a judgment call

11:54:53 punkman: I'd rephrase that, WoT is an avenue where you do due dilligence. You trust MP enough, you can stop your search after getting the "go-ahead" from MP

11:55:17 punkman: or you can keep going, look in other WoTs, public records, etc

11:56:33 fluffypony: chetty: yeah, it depends on the type of transaction as well

11:56:48 fluffypony: like if the person wants to trade 0.1 BTC I'd risk it based on the mutual connection

11:57:30 punkman: if the due diligence doesn't get you anywhere, then you still have other tools. The fidelity bond is a good one, insurance another... any other good examples?

12:00:01 fluffypony: just in case nobody's seen this: https://twitter.com/embee/status/416121742738739200

12:00:21 chetty: fluffypony, a lot of trust is built like that, in small steps

12:00:31 punkman: this is quite common: if C trusts the B->A connection, but A doesn't trust B->C, then C will often "send first" as to eliminate risk for A at his expense.

12:01:36 xmj: so

12:01:51 xmj: it seems to turn out that the way to skip the homework is solved

12:01:54 xmj: http://www.bristol.ac.uk/cmpo/publications/papers/2006/wp154.pdf

12:02:44 xmj: within the trust game you just need to deposit enough money with the trust escrow to make the other party likely of investing. you'll obtain efficient outcomes.

12:06:05 fluffypony: oh man

12:06:07 fluffypony: this is awesome

12:06:07 fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_UG60dD4

12:06:07 assbot: "Weird Al" Yankovic - Mission Statement - YouTube

12:09:10 chetty: of course thats one way con games work too, suck people in for a while with small 'investments'

12:14:49 xmj: aaaand

12:14:53 xmj: i've just found my calling.

12:14:57 xmj: tadatadaaaaaaa

12:32:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00081221 = 11.5334 BTC [+] {2}

12:54:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0008136 = 11.3497 BTC [+] {2}

13:36:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7410 @ 0.0008127 = 6.0221 BTC [-]

13:58:47 thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> someone or the other had introduced this option to "copy" other trader's strategy /// PAMM

14:00:21 thickasthieves: <+jurov> BLOCKCHAIN JESUS /// that's one sorry painting...

14:43:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.1634 = 1.634 BTC [+] {2}

14:46:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00081406 = 5.6577 BTC [+] {3}

14:46:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.16148499 = 16.1485 BTC [-] {3}

14:47:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.16 = 0.64 BTC [-]

14:57:33 mircea_popescu: http://www.merchantwarrior.com/ << derpforum has created... AN OLD STYLE PAYMENT GATEWAY!!11

14:57:37 assbot: Merchant Warrior - Online Payment Gateway to Accept Credit Card & Check Payments

14:57:37 mircea_popescu: be excited!!11

14:58:32 fluffypony: hah hah

14:59:15 mircea_popescu: jurov http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/The-Bitcoin-Supper.jpg << that shit's unmitigatedly ugly

14:59:31 mircea_popescu: not just because all the humanoid figurines seem to be really the same alien,

15:00:27 mircea_popescu: but mostly because the fundamental problem the "painter" has with his craft manifests not only in the "people" giving the wrong vibe, but the whole scene having the wrong atmosphere. that room looks to me like an apartment building in the poor section of petrograd having an amphetamine fueled dream about itself.

15:01:52 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/bGyXLhV

15:01:52 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

15:01:54 nubbins`: final version

15:02:20 nubbins`: mp that reminds me of something you'd see painted on a wall in belfast

15:03:15 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Giampietrino-Last-Supper-ca-1520.jpg << compare to the sweet, sweet sweetness of giampetrino's original, or with the raphael they were both trying to copy : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Sanzio_01.jpg

15:04:23 mircea_popescu: (and yes the raphael is unsurpassed, mostly because the christian church stands with learned antiquity roughly in the position american contemporaneity stands with the learned europe of last century. a cheap, affordable copy that misses all the details which made it worth the while)

15:05:28 mircea_popescu: nubbins` imo the o's touching is bad, but what do i know.

15:06:22 nubbins`: http://mqwp.org/PhotoGallery/LastSupper.jpg

15:06:27 nubbins`: largest version i can find online

15:06:37 chetty: mircea_popescu, a cheap, affordable copy that misses all the details which made it worth the while//I thought that was modern china

15:06:54 mircea_popescu: chetty that's an even cheaper copy of the cheap copy.

15:06:58 nubbins`: this is set in an old newfoundland stagehouse, there's cod drying in the rafters and all kinds of old newfy stuff everywhere

15:07:07 mircea_popescu: this progress thing's really working, no wonder the earth is warming.

15:07:22 mircea_popescu: the thing's not global in any sense tho. it's just the cheeks that are getting hot.

15:07:26 nubbins`: mircea_popescu honestly i was worried it'd look like "NOO" instead of "ZOO" if i separated the Os

15:07:38 mircea_popescu: nubbins` soo ?

15:07:53 nubbins`: album's called ZOO ;(

15:08:07 nubbins`: anyway, you can't really make it out, but pascale's dad is second from the right in that painting

15:08:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` coulda made a very flat Z

15:08:20 mircea_popescu: to match

15:08:24 nubbins`: which i believe makes him thaddeus?

15:08:47 mircea_popescu: nice beard

15:09:49 nubbins`: indeed so

15:11:56 nubbins`: he did the stations of the cross in a rural newfoundland kind of style too

15:12:01 nubbins`: really strange stuff

15:12:02 nubbins`: http://mqwp.org/PhotoGallery/Stations/SC11.JPG

15:12:15 nubbins`: guy with the hammer is wearing rubber boots

15:17:42 mircea_popescu: cazalla: anyone want to buy 10k atc? << yes.

15:18:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 750 @ 0.0027597 = 2.0698 BTC [-] {4}

15:19:25 mircea_popescu: chetty: perhaps I should have said, shouldn't be. people do manage all sorts of stupids << dun worry about it. the fuckwit has found the perfect palliative to learning how things that work work, and the submission and ego wound implicit in such learning : he's going to CREATE something that's BETTER.

15:19:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1166 @ 0.00273862 = 3.1932 BTC [-] {3}

15:19:43 mircea_popescu: because being 15 is so very fresh, original and unpredictable.

15:20:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 360 @ 0.00270232 = 0.9728 BTC [-] {4}

15:20:40 thickasthieves: "A pine tree planted in 2004 in a Los Angeles park in memory of former Beatle George Harrison has died after being infested by beetles."

15:21:07 mircea_popescu: well... it did outlive the beatles' popularity...

15:21:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 194 @ 0.00270006 = 0.5238 BTC [-] {2}

15:23:03 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard: Morning cazalla. We get complaints about that one every time it shows up << what's this all aboot ?

15:23:21 cazalla: mircea_popescu, price and address?

15:24:06 chetty: A U.S. appeals court has struck down subsidies for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act in states that use federal marketplaces to buy coverage.

15:24:16 mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo's my atc broker we'll need him to be here for both. do you mind ?

15:25:05 mircea_popescu: chetty wait, what trachery is this ? first govt cuts a deal with states then federal courts get it off the hook for its part of the deal ?

15:25:15 cazalla: sure np, 1:30am here though, i'll be back in the morning

15:27:07 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: if this was twitter I'd hashtag that with #delusional << is the tradefortress character pulling a goat ?

15:27:23 fluffypony: he's pulling a TradeFortress

15:28:19 mircea_popescu: this business where one scams a buvncha people, lays low for half a year-ish etc was patented by goat. he did it like 3-4 times to date.

15:28:32 mircea_popescu: course many twerps tried since, kenna, klye, you name it.

15:28:52 pankkake: TF isn't claiming he's a Trusted Member yet, otherwise it's textbook goat

15:28:57 mircea_popescu: punkman: I'd rephrase that, WoT is an avenue where you do due dilligence. You trust MP enough, you can stop your search after getting the "go-ahead" from MP << for that matter mp can even say something like "o, forget it, if he's gypping you for 1.3 BTC I"M paying for it."

15:29:31 mircea_popescu: the breadth & width of deals and representations available is endless.

15:29:52 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: redditors and buttcoiners get offended by the last image on this article http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/im-hoarding-bitcoins-and-no-you-cant-have-any/

15:29:52 assbot: I'm Hoarding Bitcoins, and No You Can't Have Any | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute

15:29:52 pankkake: eh, that's was on my mind. there are some people (they're not in the wot though) I would gladly cover for

15:30:27 mircea_popescu: pankkake it's actually an economically positive activity : you know and can evaluate the risk, so you're risking say 1% of 1.3 btc, or 1 bitcent.

15:30:35 mircea_popescu: the op however i GAINING a lot more from this than the cost to you.

15:30:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 800 @ 0.00258108 = 2.0649 BTC [-] {22}

15:30:44 pankkake: they want to get offended, no matter what you do, they'll be offended

15:30:47 mircea_popescu: so it's one of those rare cases of money being made out of thin air.

15:31:07 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard lol okay.

15:31:35 Pierre_Rochard: Ot

15:31:59 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: it’s a glorious portrait of our dear leader bitstein, but dats racist

15:32:07 mircea_popescu: i love how buttcoiner is by now ambiguous. does it denote bitcoiners identified by one of that small group of vitriolic naysayers born out of me trolling SA, or does it denote one of that very group ?

15:32:30 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard omfg is your institute run by jooz ?!

15:33:06 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: yes, it’s a deep cover psyop run by the rothschilds and queen of england

15:33:15 mircea_popescu: omfg the queen is jewish ?!

15:33:28 BingoBoingo: Is this the pankkake approved TF drama? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=702654.0

15:33:29 assbot: What should I do? TradeFortress

15:33:32 mircea_popescu: worst circumcision job ever -> queen of england.

15:33:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what we paying on atc ?

15:33:54 pankkake: yes, she's one of us

15:33:56 pankkake: I mean, of them

15:33:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He was asking 220, so I passed on it

15:34:13 mircea_popescu: well yes but what ~are~ we paying on it

15:34:20 BingoBoingo: Right now our highest bid is 210

15:34:24 pankkake: BingoBoingo: yes that's my source

15:34:29 mircea_popescu: cazalla see, take 200, be happy.

15:34:29 cazalla: well you can counter offer, don't be timid

15:35:29 bitstein: I really don't appreciate how the Reddit community is judging me by the size of my nose, the length of my beard, and the wringing of my hands.

15:36:13 cazalla: BingoBoingo, i'll do 210

15:36:34 thickasthieves: bitstein have you considered plastic surgery and behavioral therapy?

15:36:43 pankkake: it's just bad faith, the article is praising hoarding which is the jew stereotype; the image is a popular meme; it's an obvious joke and anyone claiming to be offended is lying

15:36:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00081432 = 1.0586 BTC [+]

15:36:57 pankkake: that's why there is no reason to cater to that

15:37:14 thickasthieves: it's like the black lady nigger story

15:37:23 mircea_popescu: bitstein do you have a good cackle ?

15:37:43 thickasthieves: ;;google fraudsters nigger

15:37:44 gribble: The nigger homeowners and other niggers pe fraudsters - Un blog de ...: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-nigger-homeowners-and-other-niggers/; The nigger, a practical exercise. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/; Fried chicken pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2013/fried-chicken/

15:38:00 mircea_popescu: pankkake they don't have to be lying. they could just be stupid. or you know, trained into superficial stupidity by a website dedicated to doing exactly that

15:38:08 BingoBoingo: cazalla: 1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E post or pm address

15:38:09 thickasthieves: ;;google fraudsters rhonda nigger

15:38:10 gribble: The nigger, a practical exercise. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/; Fried chicken pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2013/fried-chicken/

15:38:20 cazalla: this is bitstein i imagine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0Xx-oQKsU

15:38:20 assbot: Le happy merchant has a blast - YouTube

15:38:26 pankkake: they're lying, either to the world or to themselves

15:38:29 pankkake: !search nigger

15:38:30 assbot: 196 results for 'nigger' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nigger

15:38:33 mircea_popescu: well actually, since i got all the internet jews collected here, prepare to BURN!!!

15:38:33 thickasthieves: there it is, the chicken one

15:38:39 mircea_popescu: alternatively, read this http://fraudsters.com/2014/shut-up-and-sit-down/ an' tell me what yu think

15:38:40 assbot: Shut up and sit down. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:38:40 bitstein: mircea_popsecu Only when I can get interest rates just high enough

15:38:47 mircea_popescu: who else's a joo, benkay, bitcoinpete ?

15:39:07 princessnell: all of my faves

15:39:10 pankkake: davout?

15:39:14 cazalla: i'm 3% according to 23andme.com but it's cancelled out by 3% african i figure

15:39:15 benkay: we p great

15:39:18 benkay: morning, princessnell

15:39:18 mircea_popescu: nah, jews can't have big cocks

15:39:27 mircea_popescu: and a horse in my wot told me it's seen davout's.

15:39:28 bitstein: thickasthieves - thinking of nose jobs got me listening to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yDarQW7UZc

15:39:29 assbot: Frank Zappa- Jewish Princess - YouTube

15:39:32 davout: pankkake: you rubbed the lamp?

15:39:35 thickasthieves: my ancient ancestors were jews i think, then they changed their names food and went to the azores or sumth

15:39:42 princessnell: this is true. but they are still fun.

15:39:47 princessnell: hiya benkay

15:39:49 thickasthieves: to food*

15:39:49 pankkake: davout: we're looking for jews

15:39:58 fluffypony: are we going to throw the Jew down the well?

15:39:59 pankkake: 23andme tells you how jew you are? that's awesome

15:40:02 davout: pankkake: i'm only jew during business hours sorry

15:40:03 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves given that by now your ancestry has covered half the world, i

15:40:05 benkay: no one expects the bitcoin inquisition

15:40:08 mircea_popescu: d be very worried if you ever have daughters.

15:40:09 princessnell: i'm 0.1% of the tribe

15:40:16 thickasthieves: hehe

15:40:32 princessnell: and 3.1% neanderthal master race

15:40:39 pankkake: I know I have a jewish antisemite ancestor, but I don't know how much jew is left

15:40:40 cazalla: 3.4% here

15:40:50 mircea_popescu: pankkake you used the jew up ?

15:41:19 davout: cazalla: hah you did the 23andme thing

15:41:27 davout: i got 25% ashkenazi

15:41:34 thickasthieves: need some rejewvenation

15:41:39 cazalla: i'm 3% ashkenazi

15:41:46 fluffypony: my favourite jews are orange jews

15:41:51 fluffypony: although mango juice isn't bad

15:42:04 fluffypony: or a pineapple / banana jews blend

15:42:16 bitstein: princessnell is actually a conglomeration of 14000 people

15:42:16 mircea_popescu: god i love frank zappa

15:42:32 fluffypony: bitstein: has she passed the Turing test?

15:43:03 mircea_popescu: princessnell> this is true. but they are still fun. << wait, wut ? you dare speak of like your sexual experience ? as a woman among men ? on the interwebs ?

15:43:08 mircea_popescu: THE HERESIES THIS MORNING

15:44:01 princessnell: i don't pass turing tests, i conduct them

15:44:32 mircea_popescu: A horny little Jewish Princess With a garlic aroma that could level Tacoma Lonely inside Well, she can swallow my pride

15:45:49 bitstein: la la la

15:46:04 benkay: me, i like the shiksas

15:46:10 princessnell: you don't say

15:46:12 mircea_popescu: and he even mentions romanian thighs. which, yes... romanian chicks have the best thighs.

15:46:14 mircea_popescu: just thick enough.

15:46:15 benkay: "how do they go, after the show..."

15:46:22 benkay: "all the way, that's the way they gooooo"

15:46:38 benkay: "all the way, and none of their mothers ever see-em to know"

15:46:51 mircea_popescu: dat trolling

15:46:56 benkay: ("with leather?")

15:47:05 benkay: joe's garage man.

15:47:17 benkay: princessnell: it's a setup for another zappa reference.

15:47:31 benkay: fond of japs too

15:47:42 princessnell: heh

15:47:50 mircea_popescu: i think maybe zappa could be a bitcoin saint.

15:48:05 mircea_popescu: sits to the right of the father and advises on policy matters.

15:48:33 thickasthieves: me: "Learn how Bitcoin (mining difficulty) works before speaking about it."

15:48:34 benkay: satoshi is ancient aliens and the first saint is zappa?

15:48:53 thickasthieves: pando: @Bitcoin_Assets "If you're going to make a statement like that, you really should back it up by pointing out what I said wrong. Mining difficulty? Anyone with a PC can mine bitcoin. The amount that can be created per CPU cycle is arbitrarily set by an algorithm (sounds like fiat), and not the state, but it still has no intrinsic value, just like dollars. The value it fetches

15:48:53 thickasthieves: on the open market is irrelevant, as all currencies (evne a fiat currency) are subject to the market's whims."

15:49:20 thickasthieves: you'd think the tech news rag would have a lcue

15:49:30 mircea_popescu: i r nao decode fluffypony's hermetic speech. orange jews are what, manhattanites, because they overtan. and banana jews are jews pretending to be azn to get into stanford. pineapple jews however i dunno!

15:49:52 thickasthieves: pineapple jooz are the ones with big dix

15:49:58 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves grats, talking to pando nao.

15:49:59 fluffypony: I was just quoting my wife, ze Germans can't say "juice" :-P

15:50:01 thickasthieves: so giz tatstes better

15:50:22 mircea_popescu: fluffypony btw, ever put her in tall campaign boots and with a cute little uniform ?

15:50:31 mircea_popescu: schnell! schnell!

15:50:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00081616 = 6.6109 BTC [+] {2}

15:51:16 fluffypony: hah hah

15:51:36 mircea_popescu: soo... i just found a wallet i had forgotten all about. like 20 btcv and change in there.

15:51:43 mircea_popescu: THIS IS THE LIFE OF JEW!

15:51:59 princessnell: lol

15:52:14 mircea_popescu: think : most people will live their entire lives without ever having such a fat wallet

15:52:22 mircea_popescu: as this thing i forgot about.

15:52:48 mircea_popescu: it is good to be the joo.

15:53:38 thickasthieves: !s mircea_popescu couch cushions

15:53:38 assbot: 2 results for 'mircea_popescu couch cushions' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mircea_popescu+couch+cushions

15:53:46 mircea_popescu: ono DONT TAKE IT

15:53:48 mircea_popescu: ALL MINE

15:54:55 mircea_popescu: punkman: this is quite common: if C trusts the B->A connection, but A doesn't trust B->C, then C will often "send first" as to eliminate risk for A at his expense. << https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=359006.msg4858300#msg4858300 that concept illustrated.

15:54:56 assbot: (NEW WORKS) portraits, commissions, and original paintings by Maureen Gubia

15:55:01 fluffypony: donate it to Andreas Antonopoulus

15:55:03 fluffypony: he's going to need it

15:55:55 mircea_popescu: o look at that! i've comisioned paintings that cost like 20% of the "most expensive bitcoin painting ever made". har har.

15:56:00 mircea_popescu: at least mine don't look like shit.

15:56:12 mircea_popescu: fluffypony what for ?

15:56:24 fluffypony: the coming revolution where he's left behind

15:57:01 thickasthieves: "Do you think that smart contracts won't work or that they won't be used? Could you recommend any research that supports your views?"

15:57:03 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_UG60dD4 <<< ahahaah definitely.

15:57:03 assbot: "Weird Al" Yankovic - Mission Statement - YouTube

15:57:18 mircea_popescu: especially the "hands draw as we sing" expansion of stephen fry's "text appears" trick

15:57:27 mircea_popescu: that thing was cool, but SO FUCKING OVERPLAYED omg

15:58:01 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves "would you mind talking to us in our terms so as to validate our self-perceived importance ty"

16:00:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.81053432 BTC to 12`483 shares, 14504 satoshi per share

16:00:53 thickasthieves: First you ignore them, then you laugh at them, then they call you mean, then you win

16:01:06 mircea_popescu: well dunno about win, but you definitely score

16:01:07 mircea_popescu: with their wife.

16:01:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 16.24933044 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1413 satoshi per share

16:01:33 mircea_popescu: so today is the sad day i have to sign paperwork for all the llcs and whatnot.

16:01:42 mircea_popescu: and the people here actually do signing, like fucking romanians.

16:01:48 mircea_popescu: my hand will fall off ;/

16:02:36 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu get a stamp

16:03:00 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones i might have to.

16:03:09 mircea_popescu: i mean everyone gets as a kid this urge to write their name on things,

16:03:22 mircea_popescu: but i tell you by the time you're a decade or so in business that itch's well scratched.

16:04:00 mircea_popescu: fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc :D

16:04:00 assbot: "Weird Al" Yankovic - Word Crimes - YouTube

16:04:36 fluffypony: yeah that's my favourite of his new songs so far

16:04:48 fluffypony: although the music video for Tacky is amazing

16:04:48 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:04:49 mircea_popescu: guy's like the madonna of b music

16:05:02 fluffypony: this is his last album under contract

16:05:22 fluffypony: so hopefully the stuff he releases after this will be indie and not with a record company

16:05:50 thickasthieves: NFLX down 5% today :) glad I hung in there

16:06:06 thickasthieves: short covered

16:06:24 mircea_popescu: fluffypony why ?

16:06:34 mircea_popescu: he is the exact central case that benefits from a rec corp.

16:06:45 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves wd.

16:08:00 thickasthieves: ty sir

16:08:47 benkay: <mircea_popescu> bitbet. giving the bitcoin population the sort of graphs it wants to see. since 2012. // i want a shirt that has a bunch of zig-zaggy up-and-to-the-right arrows patterned across it

16:09:17 benkay: http://businessintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/tumblr_mba5v5Cusu1qz61voo1_500.jpg

16:10:09 mircea_popescu: benkay so why you tellin me about it ? nubsy's the local master of bad drawings and well printed shirts.

16:10:55 benkay: nubbins` prints across the whole bolt and then makes shirts? nooz to me...

16:11:50 nubbins`: we don't sew, but i suppose an all-over print isn't out of the question

16:11:51 mircea_popescu: well, if anyone does he'd know aboot it.

16:12:17 mircea_popescu: nubbins`> we don't sew << i thought you were married

16:13:14 nubbins`: i thought it was tuesday

16:13:54 mircea_popescu: if it were tuesday it'd have been belgium.

16:13:58 mircea_popescu: it ain't belgium now is it ?

16:15:30 chetty: you sure?

16:16:02 nubbins`: i'm not even sure this is the right bus

16:16:24 mircea_popescu: this is progressing nicely. !jewlaugh

16:19:07 thickasthieves: I'm gonna visit Seattle and Portland, in case anyone has any recommendations/warnings for things

16:19:29 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves walk with your back against the wall in seattle. nuff said.

16:20:14 thickasthieves: lol

16:20:15 benkay: thickasthieves: beers?

16:20:37 thickasthieves: i like some IPA, witbier, belgian, stout

16:20:58 mircea_popescu: Transcript for 21-07-2014, 666 lines << o.O

16:26:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 299 @ 0.00250534 = 0.7491 BTC [-] {11}

16:27:57 thickasthieves: local newspaper: "the specs are 10.625” w x 10’ t."

16:28:09 thickasthieves: 10feet, width by tall

16:28:13 thickasthieves: lol

16:28:50 nubbins`: hahahah

16:29:01 nubbins`: width by tallth

16:30:07 mircea_popescu: lol

16:34:44 mircea_popescu: you know upon reflection, the ' " convention has to be the most stupid thing ever invented. on top of the inch/feet thing in the first place, obviously.

16:34:57 mircea_popescu: imagine all the bills of goods that had either a small smidgeon added or removed by accident

16:35:08 mircea_popescu: resulting in various disproportionate items delivered to unsuspecting merchants.

16:35:26 mircea_popescu: I SAID MY PENIS STATUE SHOULD BE 12 inches not 12 feet!!1

16:38:06 nubbins`: hardly a statue

16:40:18 mircea_popescu: hard hard hard.

16:54:50 pankkake: I never know which it which. maybe " is feet because it's bigger?

16:55:14 pankkake: no, it's not. of course it's not

17:00:34 FabianB: use the metric system, [√] fixed

17:04:58 thickasthieves: itd be funny if this was a major reason why US is bad at math, fukt measurements

17:05:41 thickasthieves: 12 inches is a foot? 3' a yard? wtf is going on here?

17:06:36 chetty: math is easier with metric but if you grew up using feet and inches its hard to visualize amounts

17:17:55 thickasthieves: http://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/6703802_700b_v2.jpg

17:29:11 benkay: sheeeit, sinfest.

17:29:17 benkay: that's still going?

17:31:48 thickasthieves: never heard of it til now, but looks like yes

17:41:49 benkay: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/undocumented-ios-functions-allow-monitoring-of-personal-data-expert-says/

17:41:50 assbot: Undocumented iOS functions allow monitoring of personal data, expert says | Ars Technica

17:43:10 benkay: the hit counter is back http://www.addthis.com/

17:43:10 assbot: AddThis - Get likes, get shares, get followers

17:48:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1611 @ 0.00081596 = 1.3145 BTC [-]

17:52:57 chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs1d5a0CcAIji1B.png

17:54:09 benkay: expert system, i lol'd

17:54:40 cgcardona_: hello #bitcoin-assets o/

18:00:37 jurov: hi cgcardona_

18:01:10 mthreat: hola

18:03:37 cgcardona_: o/

18:07:04 cgcardona_: ;;ticker

18:07:06 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 621.43, Best ask: 623.88, Bid-ask spread: 2.45000, Last trade: 624.4, 24 hour volume: 3366.37636030, 24 hour low: 617.18, 24 hour high: 624.99, 24 hour vwap: 622.530252055

18:19:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 529 @ 0.00250792 = 1.3267 BTC [-] {9}

18:21:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00081596 = 5.7933 BTC [-]

18:27:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 45 @ 0.01379995 = 0.621 BTC [+] {3}

18:49:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 54 @ 0.0139999 = 0.756 BTC [+] {2}

18:50:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 66 @ 0.01437877 = 0.949 BTC [+] {5}

18:52:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 336 @ 0.00263689 = 0.886 BTC [-] {2}

18:54:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 506 @ 0.00263864 = 1.3352 BTC [+] {2}

19:08:18 BingoBoingo: http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2014/07/20/well-find-a-new-earth-within-20-years/

19:08:19 assbot: Well find a new earth within 20 years | Around the World with Ken Ham

19:15:58 BingoBoingo: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/07/22/165231/exodus-intelligence-details-zero-day-vulnerabilities-in-tails-os

19:16:00 assbot: Exodus Intelligence Details Zero-Day Vulnerabilities In Tails OS - Slashdot

19:40:28 BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03

19:40:34 BingoBoingo: Hey Mats_cd03

19:40:44 Mats_cd03: sup

19:41:07 Mats_cd03: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/11/26/wheels-of-fortune p gud article about driving in .cn

19:41:07 assbot: Wheels of Fortune - The New Yorker

19:41:50 Mats_cd03: http://weis2007.econinfosec.org/papers/29.pdf re: market for 0days. notably, all of the problems enscribed are basically resolvable through GPG and the WoT.

19:48:51 nubbins`: yup.

19:49:00 nubbins`: SR did this right, at least

19:52:08 nubbins`: i guess the current system works well enough for the vendors, otherwise you'd see this

19:54:12 Mats_cd03: hue hue hue

19:56:07 asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/21/cybercrime-conference-talk-idUSL2N0PW14320140721

19:56:07 assbot: Talk on cracking Internet anonymity service Tor withdrawn from conference| Reuters

19:58:15 Mats_cd03: thx DoD

20:03:43 Mats_cd03: today, i learned Windows will never use the first mb of physical memory for anything, because buggy firmware corrupts it so often

20:06:04 Mats_cd03: and, there is an ACPI table exclusively for telling Windows not to apply fixes for buggy hardware because its in a VM, and VMM emulation of the hardware doesn't include said bugs.

20:06:24 thickasthieves: local redneck on facebook: "I am offering free bungee jumping to all Muslims - no strings attached."

20:09:02 thickasthieves: http://i.imgur.com/OJChRcu.gif

20:09:30 chetty: thickasthieves, uhoh now I have a coffeed keyboard

20:10:37 thickasthieves: hehe

20:10:41 thickasthieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/22/5927107/faa-temporarily-halts-all-us-flights-to-israel

20:10:41 assbot: FAA temporarily halts all US flights to Israel | The Verge

20:11:33 thickasthieves: that's one way to get people outta your airspace for a while

20:14:50 BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03

20:14:58 Mats_cd03: aw ur da best

20:16:23 BingoBoingo: ;;laser Mats_cd03

20:16:24 gribble: Error: "laser" is not a valid command.

20:16:30 BingoBoingo: ;;lasers

20:16:30 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

20:16:44 BingoBoingo: ;;laser kittens

20:16:44 gribble: Error: "laser" is not a valid command.

20:17:39 BingoBoingo: %t

20:17:46 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 237 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 59k High: 211 Low: 210 VWAP: 210

20:21:20 Mats_cd03: http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/iOS_Backdoors_Attack_Points_Surveillance_Mechanisms.pdf re: iOS vuln posted by benkay

20:21:21 assbot: 404 Not Found

20:21:32 Mats_cd03: ...wat

20:21:35 benkay: ah neat, Mats_cd03

20:21:51 benkay: hue

20:21:58 Mats_cd03: https://archive.org/details/pdfy-_p-Q8wuJhsIekNT4

20:21:59 assbot: iOS_Backdoors_Attack_Points_Surveillance_Mechanisms.pdf (PDFy mirror) : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

20:23:15 Mats_cd03: hue hue hue hue hue hue hue

20:33:45 Mats_cd03: man, The Rootkit Arsenal is really good

20:34:49 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: nice little book, at least concerning the basics.

20:35:04 Mats_cd03: i'm basic.

20:36:45 thickasthieves: Florida Power and Light powers the state using mostly natural gas. Out of all the energy FPL provides, only 0.06 percent comes from solar energy.

20:36:53 thickasthieves: “We’re not doing as bad as people think we are,” says Martinez. “But I think we’ll have an opportunity to advance as the price continues to come down.”

20:36:59 thickasthieves: “I think in the state of Florida our challenge is the amount of rainfall and the amount of cloud coverage we have,” says Martinez. “Obviously Florida has good potential. It’s not great potential.”

20:37:06 thickasthieves: lol

20:37:13 thickasthieves: sunshine state aint sunny enough

20:37:18 thickasthieves: suuure

20:37:51 thickasthieves: http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wlrn/files/styles/placed_wide/public/201407/SOLARINFOGRAPHICREALFINAL.png

20:40:34 Mats_cd03: i don't know anything about physics or solar panels. is there some kind of limited power generation even under cloud cover? UV is what made me consider this

20:41:56 thickasthieves: the thing is FL clouds are quite temporary

20:42:32 Mats_cd03: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TqGEbROFd4

20:42:32 assbot: Ed Sheeran - Don't [Official Audio] - YouTube

20:42:59 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: I think clouds are temporary except up in Benkay land

20:43:29 thickasthieves: yeah i only learned recently that I get more rain than seattle

20:43:43 thickasthieves: which is disappointing cuz i like rain and I am unsatisfied

20:43:51 mike_c: that is a common and misleading yardstick

20:44:06 mike_c: because it generally means inches of rain, not days of rain

20:44:23 mike_c: and seattle just drizzles at you every day of the year.

20:45:00 Mats_cd03: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TqGEbROFd4

20:45:01 assbot: Ed Sheeran - Don't [Official Audio] - YouTube

20:45:31 thickasthieves: Mats_cd03, got Vexualvirus?

20:45:32 Mats_cd03: ewps. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26J98jG_j4k

20:45:32 assbot: Schoolboy Q - The Purge / Rapfix Cypher (20syl Remix) - YouTube

20:48:22 benkay: thickasthieves, BingoBoingo: best solar is soy oil

20:49:28 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/rabite/status/491686137266995200

20:50:00 BingoBoingo: Hey @Medium @marklotto @davidkushner, I have some corrections for your article. https://medium.com/matter/the-martyrdom-of-weev-9e72da8a133d ?

20:50:01 assbot: How We All Got Trolled Matter Medium

21:00:06 thickasthieves: "The federal judge that presided over my case is not an African-American. She is a nigger."

21:00:26 thickasthieves: "Dude, they called you elfin, when you are very clearly a satyr." lol

21:04:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00081327 = 5.7742 BTC [-]

21:14:33 thickasthieves: http://coinbrief.net/debunking-kipochi-mpesa-bitcoin-kenya/

21:14:34 assbot: Debunking Kipochi, Mpesa & Bitcoin in East Africa - CoinBrief

21:15:54 BingoBoingo: !up princessnell

21:16:12 BingoBoingo: !up Guest60346

21:17:23 fluffypony: hah hah

21:17:26 fluffypony: fucking idiots

21:17:38 thickasthieves: <+mike_c> and seattle just drizzles at you every day of the year. /// so i will fly there and settle this once and for all!

21:18:50 mike_c: now is actually the time to go. it actually only rains nine months a year. summers are beautiful.

21:20:21 thickasthieves: well shit itll be a month before i go, but i want teh rainz

21:21:27 thickasthieves: my wife wants to look at trees n stuff though, so i guess good weather is for the best

21:22:55 mike_c: well, the only rainforest in america is right there, so you could both have your wish

21:32:40 *: danielpbarron got banned from #bitcoin again; gmaxwell is a dick.

21:36:42 thickasthieves: good log?

21:38:26 BingoBoingo: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431

21:38:27 assbot: The Joel on Software Discussion Group (CLOSED) - Why I Hate Frameworks

21:46:30 danielpbarron: thickasthieves, meh sorta; I linked to the log in my rating for him

21:52:38 jurov: <gmaxwell> danielpbarron: owner of mpex is unsafe to do business with, he does things like put surprising terms in the fine print of his contracts and then gloats about how you deserved to get ripped off and what a moron you are when you get caught out.

21:52:54 jurov: last sentence before kick

21:53:55 mike_c: hm. "suprising" to whom?

21:55:04 BingoBoingo: Mircea generally writes on the interwebs so you can always zoom his text to any size you like

21:55:14 danielpbarron: good thing the devs have their chat rooms to lord over; they don't really control much of anything else

21:55:48 BingoBoingo: ;;rate danielpbarron Religious thinker, Meat dealer

21:55:48 gribble: Error: 'Religious' is not a valid integer.

21:56:02 BingoBoingo: ;;rate danielpbarron 3 Religious thinker, Meat dealer

21:56:03 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 2 to 3.

21:56:23 danielpbarron: wow a 3; i feel special now

21:57:56 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, you rate people well and did indeed deliver ~20 million meat

21:58:25 danielpbarron: the -otc crowd says I don't know how to rate

21:59:58 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, that's why the most important part of reading a WoT is asking a rater about their ratings

22:00:58 BingoBoingo: Bitcore, BitPay?s open-source javascript bitcoin library, now uses Fedor Indutny?s highly optimized cryptography in the browser, which leads to significant speed improvements and an improved user experience for applications built with Bitcore. << Shit's prolly being optimized out

22:01:06 BingoBoingo: http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/07/22/bitcore-3000-is-three-times-faster-for-bitcoin-on-the-web.html

22:01:06 assbot: Bitcore 3000 is Three Times Faster for Bitcoin on the Web | The BitPay Blog

22:01:35 jurov: lose yer coins 3x faster!!!

22:07:37 mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> 12 inches is a foot? 3' a yard? wtf is going on here?

22:08:01 mircea_popescu: ^ my fav exercise is, "calculate the pound weight of a cubic mile of water"

22:08:37 mircea_popescu: (a cubic km of water weighs 1trn kgs, of course)

22:12:35 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2014/07/20/well-find-a-new-earth-within-20-years/ << ya but will it be legal.

22:12:36 assbot: Well find a new earth within 20 years | Around the World with Ken Ham

22:13:49 danielpbarron: ken ham is a false teacher that leads many to hell

22:14:47 mircea_popescu: A Black Hat spokeswoman told Reuters that the talk had been canceled at the request of lawyers for Carnegie-Mellon University, where the speakers work as researchers. <<< this is why scientists of today are in no sense the scientists of 1914, and even less the scientists of 1814.

22:15:00 mircea_popescu: the notion that the current crop has any sort of moral or ethical weight is quite perilous.

22:16:13 mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> http://i.imgur.com/OJChRcu.gif << whoa that shit's cool!

22:20:36 thickasthieves: must be some kinda camera mount

22:22:24 mircea_popescu: ;;rated gmaxwell

22:22:25 gribble: You rated user gmaxwell on Sun Apr 8 12:54:19 2012, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: hypocritical idiot..

22:22:35 mircea_popescu: wow, i was right two years ago.

22:22:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, what specific gloating is this in reference to ?

22:23:12 mircea_popescu: tell wikipedia boi i said citation needed.

22:23:29 mircea_popescu: i gloat over fat fucks being predictably stupid, not over the deck being stacked against them.

22:26:46 thickasthieves: "Another benefit to Tacocoin is its active community. Tacocoin was started on reddit, with the sole intent of having fun. The coin has no premine, and steady growth, because our community values trust and fun, not getting rich quick."

22:27:21 mircea_popescu: ><

22:27:33 mircea_popescu: if it were about eating cunt i could see the angle.

22:27:41 fluffypony: http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/22/britain-just-decriminalised-online-game-piracy/

22:27:41 assbot: Britain just decriminalised online game piracy | VG247

22:27:52 mircea_popescu: but this entire "doge got killed for beign stupid so we're going to do it once again because we really are that dumb" thing...

22:27:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well in that article space isn't important, because aliens go to hell

22:28:43 mircea_popescu: "Starting in 2015, persistent file-sharers will be sent four warning letters explaining their actions are illegal, but if the notes are ignored no further action will be taken." doh.

22:29:18 thickasthieves: alrighty

22:29:36 thickasthieves: do they even go after people in US anymore?

22:30:00 thickasthieves: there was that 5 strikes thing or whatever but i never heard of anyone losing their web access

22:30:25 mircea_popescu: bout the same yeah.

22:30:42 thickasthieves: "I am a fan of making volume obsolete as an indicator" ~bitcoin trader

22:31:07 mircea_popescu: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431 << as usual, joel gets it exactly right. this is why i hate - not frameworks - but java. and all the other hipster languages ran by children with delusions of skills and importance they don't actually have.

22:31:08 assbot: The Joel on Software Discussion Group (CLOSED) - Why I Hate Frameworks

22:31:11 mircea_popescu: wikipedia being a fine example.

22:38:34 asciilifeform: camera mount with beer glass << if you stayed awake in 'intro to differential equations,' -- you can build this.

22:39:55 mircea_popescu: the visual effect tho.

22:40:38 asciilifeform: carnegie mellon << 'Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfecti

22:40:38 asciilifeform: on and painted with meticulous care.' (mr mold)

22:40:44 BingoBoingo: Lol ethereum is selling their own altcoin nao, https://www.ethereum.org/

22:40:45 assbot: ethereum

22:43:57 BingoBoingo: "People interested in acquiring ether to build and distribute decentralized applications, or to pay for their usage, are able to do so in the Genesis Sale using bitcoin, thereby locking-in their supply at a known price. This sale will help us fund the continued development of the software platform, scheduled for release in the winter of 2014/2015." << Preorder on a BFL window. Thing could waterialize winter 2014 or winter 2015

22:44:58 thickasthieves: like anyone will give a shit by then

22:45:06 Pierre_Rochard: BingoBoingo: my favorite part “This document is not a solicitation for investment and does not pertain in any way to an offering of securities in any jurisdiction.”

22:45:19 thickasthieves: because we say so!

22:45:24 Pierre_Rochard: wonder if they’ll respond like mircea_popescu did when the SEC comes knocking…

22:45:49 BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Even though by simply the way things are they seems to like BFL be actually selling equity rather than product.

22:46:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hardly an argument pro carnegie melon, that.

22:46:44 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard too many people want to appear mp without putting in the work to actually be mp, nor fronting the risk etc.

22:47:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not an argument 'pro', merely statement of fact. accept funding from bureaucrats - then eat shit when they command. elementary.

22:47:40 thickasthieves: who actually wants these smart contracts anyway? i dont get who ethereum is providing for

22:47:53 mircea_popescu: how about not accept funding for bureaucrats because there's no funds in bureaucrat hands ?

22:48:01 mircea_popescu: then we can do science. and actual art.

22:48:14 mircea_popescu: and all the social media feminists can spend their time writing things on tits.

22:48:18 BingoBoingo: If ethereum manages to ship this winter I doubt it's market cap will survive at a size greater than ATC's through April next year

22:48:52 mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to enter an etereum short lemme know.

22:49:21 thickasthieves: you're betting on ethereum?!

22:49:29 mircea_popescu: you can buy ethereum coins for half what they charge, deliverable jan 15th 2015.

22:49:45 thickasthieves: heh

22:50:05 mircea_popescu: i guess i can make a 3 month future too, if enough demand.

22:50:31 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well atm during their pre-sale they price their coins off of a timer, with 1 BTC buying less coins as the timer increments. Haven't seen the details.

22:50:33 thickasthieves: itd at least be a fun way to piss them off and fuck up their ipo a bit

22:50:46 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves sure.

22:51:01 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fuck them, whatever they ask for is too much.

22:51:39 thickasthieves: lol why does their home page give away desktop backgrounds? wtf

22:52:23 thickasthieves: "Turing complete contracts on a blockchain."

22:52:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. K sale ends in roughly 41-42 days, in just under two weeks their offering goes from 2000 per BTC to 1970 per BTC (fucking hippies)

22:52:28 mircea_popescu: you don't understand traffix, thickasthieves

22:52:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo where is this advertised ?

22:52:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Their home page.

22:53:15 mircea_popescu: how did this work again lessee

22:53:18 thickasthieves: "Ethereum Genesis Sale" they call it

22:53:21 thickasthieves: awesome

22:53:40 mircea_popescu: ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" for 1 BTC.

22:53:40 gribble: Error: 'for' is not a valid price input.

22:53:48 mircea_popescu: ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" 1 BTC.

22:53:48 gribble: Order id 21133 created.

22:53:50 thickasthieves: "WARNING: DO NOT PURCHASE ETH IF YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT IN DEALING WITH

22:53:50 thickasthieves: CRYPTOGRAPHIC TOKENS AND BLOCKCHAIN-BASED SOFTWARE SYSTEMS"

22:53:51 BingoBoingo: Whole site is a js turd

22:53:55 mircea_popescu: ;;view 21133

22:53:55 thickasthieves: wow

22:53:57 gribble: #21133 Tue Jul 22 18:53:45 2014 mircea_popescu SELL 5000.0 ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014 @ 1 BTC. (None)

22:54:02 thickasthieves: my soul hurts now

22:54:20 mircea_popescu: ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" 1 BTC "Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch."

22:54:21 gribble: Order id 21134 created.

22:54:24 mircea_popescu: ;;view 21134

22:54:24 gribble: #21134 Tue Jul 22 18:54:18 2014 mircea_popescu SELL 5000.0 ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014 @ 1 BTC (Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch.)

22:54:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or whoever has a reddit acct : put that loglink in ?

22:54:50 mircea_popescu: aw shit bad date.

22:54:55 mircea_popescu: ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2015" 1 BTC "Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch."

22:54:55 gribble: Order id 21135 created.

22:54:58 mircea_popescu: that one.

22:55:14 BingoBoingo: K, In the better purchases department http://t.co/rFyjQ2GNsu

22:55:15 assbot: Sexy Saffron's Clips

22:55:52 mircea_popescu: ;;remove 21134

22:55:52 gribble: Order 21134 removed.

22:55:54 mircea_popescu: ;;remove 21133

22:55:55 gribble: Order 21133 removed.

22:56:59 mircea_popescu: !up DoctorBTC

22:57:16 mircea_popescu: ;;view 21131

22:57:19 gribble: #21131 Tue Jul 22 18:01:45 2014 DoctorBTC SELL 1.0 OTC Handholding @ 0.1 BTC (I'll gently guide you through registering and authing with gribble)

22:57:20 mircea_popescu: ^ nice idea that.

22:57:24 DoctorBTC: lol

22:57:31 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot DoctorBTC

22:57:31 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask DoctorBTC!~DoctorBTC@unaffiliated/doctorbtc. Trust relationship from user assbot to user DoctorBTC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=DoctorBTC | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DoctorBTC | Rated since: Tue Apr 30 19:24:50 2013

22:57:40 DoctorBTC: logs get all filled up watching people explain...

22:57:42 mircea_popescu: it's needed here like weekly or so.

22:57:50 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2bfwaw/mircea_popescu_offers_a_short_of_etherium_coins/

22:57:51 assbot: Mircea Popescu offers a short of Etherium coins up to 1 KiloBTC's worth at 5000 per BTC deliverable in 2015 : CryptoCurrency

22:58:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so now, elementary economic theory : if one actually WANTS ethereum coins, they'll buy from me.

22:59:12 mircea_popescu: watch how nobody does, and then watch the ethereum people lie about how they sold however many.

22:59:27 mircea_popescu: because yes, totally, this happens.

22:59:34 thickasthieves: reddit deleted my link to your ethereum thing

22:59:53 thickasthieves: mine said "Eccentric European Eviscerates Ethereum's Ether "

22:59:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You forget the mp eats babies crowd and "momentum traders" who want to flip the thing right away

23:00:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, i am forgetting the idiots.

23:00:24 mircea_popescu: supposedly there's "investors" involved in these crummy shits.

23:00:28 thickasthieves: i guess mods got me on speed dial or sumth

23:00:33 thickasthieves: :(

23:00:38 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves maybe too many e's.

23:00:43 mircea_popescu: stop dropping the Es man

23:00:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I like to think of them as Patrons of the Derps

23:02:03 thickasthieves: art is ded

23:02:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2behuy/doge_just_got_dumped/ << "Cryptsy data from http://doge.yottabyte.nu/ shows that we are down to 138MIL TOTAL Buy order.

23:02:26 assbot: Doge just got dumped. : dogecoin

23:02:27 assbot: doge.yottabyte.nu - dogecoin value charts btc/doge

23:02:27 BingoBoingo: If you simply look at the chart of buy vs sell orders, it can be intuitive to say that some whale decided to cash out.

23:02:27 BingoBoingo: Now, what do we do about this?

23:02:27 BingoBoingo: Once more, as a reminder, we need to create a reason for people to want to buy in into Dogecoin, and for whales to hold their stash.

23:02:27 BingoBoingo: Posting memes and jokes won't do. We have the community, and we have the social media reach. What we don't have is a service or good which is unique to Doge which offers such an incentive to use the currency that Fiat will not dare pee on our post."

23:02:48 BingoBoingo: ^ Last victim

23:03:42 thickasthieves: lol

23:03:47 thickasthieves: "What we don't have is a service or good which is unique to Doge which offers such an incentive to use the currency that Fiat will not dare pee on our post." full circle

23:05:42 mircea_popescu: lmao

23:05:50 BingoBoingo: http://altcoinherald.com/altcoins-currently-community-takeovers/ << Tales from the Bagholder's social club

23:05:50 assbot: Altcoins That Are Currently In Community Takeover

23:06:00 mircea_popescu: "we have the community, it just so happens to be a community of worthless retards. o noes!"

23:06:50 mircea_popescu: must suck, you know, to be one of these fucktards, earnestly believing that everyone's equal and groups are great,

23:07:10 mircea_popescu: finding yourself confronted with the sad reality that people aren't equal and groups suck.

23:07:30 thickasthieves: they wont notice

23:07:37 thickasthieves: just need a better group

23:08:02 mircea_popescu: course they won't notice. anything to avoid that ego wound. but still...

23:11:34 mircea_popescu: !up Adohgg

23:11:39 mircea_popescu: how much you gettin' paid ?

23:15:59 BingoBoingo: %d

23:16:01 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 665597.03 in 1508 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -3.14

23:17:16 BingoBoingo: OMG ATC network is running nearly even!!!

23:17:46 mircea_popescu: well mike_c wanted stabilisation so i guess mike_c gets stabilisation.

23:17:52 BingoBoingo: ;;8ball how much does a petahash of mining hardware sell for anyways

23:17:52 gribble: The outlook is good.

23:18:13 mike_c: ;;calc 687*7

23:18:13 gribble: 4809

23:18:19 mike_c: 5 th/s, not bad

23:18:51 mike_c: and yes, when mike_c wants something.. it happens :D

23:19:11 *: mike_c wants all the coinz

23:19:14 mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000000 "Doge coins deliverable 3 or 6 months" 3 BTC "Or less, negotiable by volume and interval. Looking to carry a few billion."

23:19:14 gribble: Order id 21136 created.

23:22:38 mircea_popescu: meh not enough zeros.

23:22:50 mircea_popescu: jesus the dog coin is worthless.

23:23:01 BingoBoingo: ;;buy 1000000 "Altcoins "Altcoin the sha-256 coin mentioned http://therealaltcoin.org/" 175 "satoshis per Altcoin, other quantities and price points may be entertained"

23:23:03 assbot: Page not found | The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again

23:23:03 gribble: Error: 'Altcoin' is not a valid price input.

23:23:44 BingoBoingo: ;;buy 1000000 "Altcoins, the sha-256 coin mentioned http://therealaltcoin.org/" 175 satoshis "per Altcoin, other quantities and price points may be entertained"

23:23:45 assbot: Page not found | The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again

23:23:45 gribble: Order id 21137 created.

23:25:01 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves BingoBoingo's reddit seems to stick, maybe you're shadowbanned ?

23:25:05 mircea_popescu: one too many fraudsters links i nthere.

23:25:08 mircea_popescu: !up FoOdies

23:25:10 cazalla: ;;getrust BingoBoingo

23:25:11 gribble: Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.

23:25:16 cazalla: ;;gettrust BingoBoingo

23:25:17 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user cazalla to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cazalla&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013

23:25:27 FoOdies: multumesc

23:25:52 mircea_popescu: yw

23:28:48 BingoBoingo: !up DoctorBTC

23:30:14 thickasthieves: selling 1000000 ATC for 100btc

23:30:34 mircea_popescu: https://medium.com/matter/the-martyrdom-of-weev-9e72da8a133d << this is kinda weird bullshit. as far as mah sources tell me, weev is fundamentally a guy of strange habits and little computing capcity who just had the guts to publish material some other guy actually produced. he is in any sense a front, not a hacker.

23:30:35 assbot: How We All Got Trolled Matter Medium

23:31:32 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves sellout! we're building this great community with memes and whatnot and all you wanna do is sell out for btc ?!?!?!

23:31:39 cazalla: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 small ATC trade for BTC

23:31:41 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

23:31:56 BingoBoingo: ;;rate cazalla 1 Bunny slayer

23:31:57 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.

23:33:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think the applicable term to describe weev is "fall guy" or "meat shield"

23:33:30 mircea_popescu: "shield of thorns"

23:34:19 BingoBoingo: Crown of Thrones

23:35:15 thickasthieves: i'm selling out for the community

23:35:23 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/32EM6CF.txt )

23:35:23 mircea_popescu: !b 1

23:35:25 mircea_popescu: ahah epic retort.

23:36:34 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eT8Ip5mpZ0 << check out the awkwardness lmao.

23:36:35 assbot: Frank Zappa Interview (MTV, 1984) - YouTube

23:36:39 mircea_popescu: worst interviewer ever.

23:37:32 mircea_popescu: bitstein re your hoarders article, you familiar with the power/fetish of power exchange and all that jazz ?

23:39:44 bitstein: I don't think so.

23:41:34 mircea_popescu: ah well then.

23:42:11 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: any reading suggestions on that subject?

23:42:27 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/

23:42:28 assbot: The battlefield of the future pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:42:35 FoOdies: I can't believe I took 10 minutes of my precious life to read about some mentally retarded homophobic racist conspiracy nutjob hacker

23:42:35 BigBitz: Cancelled until 2015.

23:42:45 FoOdies: thanks obama ( mircea_popescu )

23:42:46 mircea_popescu: a fine excerpt is in there. ballas does a great job of doing the psychiatric basics of it

23:42:51 mircea_popescu: but otherwise you want saussure and levi strauss

23:43:08 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: thanks

23:43:20 mircea_popescu: FoOdies arguably the life of one who's never heard of weev isn't that precious.

23:43:40 mircea_popescu: BigBitz what is ?

23:43:58 FoOdies: arguably

23:44:23 BigBitz: mircea_popescu: BattleField Hardline. I was just making a funny.

23:44:40 mircea_popescu: but anyway. culture is much like ash in the ashtray : the leftovers of all your nights wasted reading stupid shit.

23:44:48 mircea_popescu: o lol.

23:44:55 FoOdies: why would I need to read about other retards' mishaps when I have a first have experience with fbi+mi5+sri

23:45:06 FoOdies: hand*

23:45:09 FoOdies: first hand*

23:45:39 mircea_popescu: people who have sex read porn, why not.

23:46:07 BigBitz: wait. what.

23:46:11 BigBitz: 'read' porn.

23:46:15 FoOdies: true but I doubt people who've been to an interrecial intersex interspecies orgy are interested in reading any porn

23:46:19 FoOdies: watch

23:46:20 FoOdies: read

23:46:23 FoOdies: you know what he meant

23:46:31 bitstein: mircea_popescu: Oh yes! I need to re-read it, but that was a great TLP article.

23:46:37 BigBitz: with mircea_popescu you never /really/ know what he meant.

23:46:41 mircea_popescu: BigBitz im in touch with my feminine side, you chauvinist pigglet.

23:46:54 BigBitz: mircea_popescu please.

23:47:12 mircea_popescu: bitstein basically the idea is that a whole generation of mutton has been raised to abhor actual power, and to readily insist it must be traded in for power tokens.

23:47:13 FoOdies: the cells of the central arrest near casa poporului are very enlightening you know

23:47:22 mircea_popescu: this is why they keep insisting on the bitcoin merchant dead meme,

23:47:28 mircea_popescu: and this is why a lot of other things.

23:48:13 BingoBoingo: <FoOdies> true but I doubt people who've been to an interrecial intersex interspecies orgy are interested in reading any porn << if only you knew what a hassel these things are to set up...

23:48:14 BingoBoingo: shit

23:48:30 FoOdies: god damn it don't I know it

23:48:34 mircea_popescu: ;;google literotica.com interrecial intersex interspecies orgy

23:48:35 gribble: Smashwords – About Nick Foxx, author of 'Tush (The Whole Tale ...: https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/NIckFoxx

23:48:36 FoOdies: and the mess you have to clean up afterwards

23:48:58 bitstein: <+mircea_popescu> this is why they keep insisting on the bitcoin merchant dead meme, << you mean the idea that merchants matter?

23:49:02 BingoBoingo: FoOdies: Mess is why you go to the Goat's house

23:49:17 mircea_popescu: bitstein well the idea that in order for bitcoin to have value, it must be traded out of your hand.

23:49:33 mircea_popescu: ie, they're firm in the notion that nothing in their hand can be of value. a sort of reverse-midas mentality.

23:49:41 mircea_popescu: shitheads convinced everything in their hands turns to shit

23:49:43 FoOdies: not when you're the host

23:49:56 mircea_popescu: !up cowloon

23:50:32 mircea_popescu: bitstein it's not just money, either. consider my earlier quoted piece about how "you can't police other people's oppression".

23:50:45 bitstein: Pierre_Rochard has referred to Bitcoin as an example of Coase theorem. Bitcoin can be allocated however... it will fall out of the hands of the stupid.

23:50:55 mircea_popescu: and it's really universal. i was out one night here, and a bum (there's tons of bums in buenos aires, they have matresses in the street and whatnot) started howling. like 3 am.

23:51:00 FoOdies: mircea_popescu the day bitcoin is no longer paired against fiat is the day bitcoin has reached it's purpose

23:51:03 mircea_popescu: a passerby was like "shut up!" all aggro.

23:51:14 mircea_popescu: find the us guy that wil tell a bum what to do, how to speak and so on.

23:51:14 FoOdies: until then it's just an unregulated trading asset

23:51:18 FoOdies: imho

23:51:34 mircea_popescu: "o, could never do that". well ? why not ? whoi's to tell the bums how to behave ? who's to tell children what to do, when and how ?

23:51:45 BingoBoingo: Marketing opportunity >> http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/170-foot-ketchup-bottle-sale-illinois-24665481

23:51:46 assbot: 170-Foot Ketchup Bottle for Sale in Illinois - ABC News

23:52:12 FoOdies: I like this place, it's all kinds of weird

23:52:15 FoOdies: can I have perma voice ?

23:52:25 mircea_popescu: nah, you should too shilly.

23:52:42 FoOdies: I'll consider a shpaga when I meet you

23:52:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 429 @ 0.00273 = 1.1712 BTC [-] {2}

23:52:55 FoOdies: notice the usage of when

23:52:57 FoOdies: the firm usage

23:53:11 mircea_popescu: permanence is illusory anyway.

23:53:16 BingoBoingo: Pretty sure that catsup bottle can be dressed up as an MPEx dildo

23:53:28 bitstein: Somewhat related, I'm working on an article about how merchants are just scammers trying to swindle you out of your bitcoins.

23:53:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it being ill, they'll prolly shoot someone with it.

23:53:48 mircea_popescu: bitstein perhaps going a little too far.

23:54:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Other side of the state. A few hundred miles from Chiraq

23:54:38 bitstein: Yes, that's the hyperbolic summary.

23:55:50 bitstein: I'll pass on a draft later on. I have school in the way right now.

23:57:20 BingoBoingo: !up FoOdies

23:57:43 mircea_popescu: ;;view 21114

23:57:45 gribble: #21114 Sun Jul 20 00:20:35 2014 BTCminers SELL 1.0 Spin Wheel – wheel Script for any crypto coin + Installing @ 0.1 BTC (Escrow Accepted)

23:57:51 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves feel like running whatever that is ?

23:58:01 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2014/07/17/brenda_ann_kenneally_documents_life_below_the_poverty_line_in_troy_york.html

23:58:01 assbot: Brenda Ann Kenneally documents life below the poverty line in Troy, York in her documentary project, Upstate Girls.

23:58:22 BingoBoingo: ^ lulzy photos