Transcript for 22-07-2017, 233 lines:
18:31:48 pankkake: https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/07/22/restricting-illegal-cryptocurrency-transactions-via-ethereum-token/ why is this even a thing
18:33:24 asciilifeform: pankkake: reads like trollage
19:39:41 scatha: That PDF reads like an essay by a high school student written to please his teacher. and it's full of crap, too- he has no knowledge of Bitcoin whatsoever. and yes ETH is used to forks, should be easy to apply LOL
19:40:26 scatha: kakobrekla, thanks for info, sounds like an upgrade to firefox 55 could make sense, i'm a tabaholic, too.
19:44:18 kakobrekla: i find it mind blowing they even recognized the issue
19:48:05 scatha: hehe .. and there was me thinking that saving computing resources has become soo old-fashioned ;)
19:50:03 scatha: kakobrekla, i'm rather new here in these channels, which is the one normally used for general chat about bitcoin issues, community, crypto politics and such ?
19:54:04 kakobrekla: hm, there is a shitload of chans so maybe you should just visit them and see what fits you
19:54:21 kakobrekla: it would also depend on your clique
19:55:46 kakobrekla: in this place we ~equally laugh at folx on the left and the right
19:56:30 scatha: ok, not a real clique yet, but i recently got bothered by all the nitwits on btc-e who felt themselves so smart being part of the "segwit movement" while not understanding it's THEIR shilling that is the cause of the trouble.
19:56:59 kakobrekla: btc-e trollbox?
19:57:19 scatha: yes THE only and original trollbox
19:57:35 asciilifeform: meh the ru trollbox is the real one
19:57:38 asciilifeform: on btce
19:58:05 kakobrekla: ah the ru spy has awoken
19:58:08 scatha: I'm neither left nor right, .. possibly libertarian, if you'd have to sort me into somewhere politically
19:58:12 asciilifeform: lol hi kakobrekla
19:58:49 kakobrekla: scatha, he will probably want to send you to his own brain damaged clique, good luck with that :)
19:58:50 scatha: dobroye den asciilifeform
19:59:13 scatha: kako, not good enough at russian, so i can't go there.
20:00:17 kakobrekla: ah, they speak english there, perhaps they are practicing it for the infiltration
20:00:58 kakobrekla: anyway whatever
20:01:00 asciilifeform: mine's pretty full, and this one a bit empty, keep kakobrekla some company scatha
20:01:08 scatha: if you support bitcoin like you guys used to do, then infiltrate all you want - the community needs talked sense into, otherwise, MP is right, they don't deserve bitcoin
20:01:14 kakobrekla: aha reverse psychology works!!
20:02:44 asciilifeform: hey kakobrekla why didja delinkify the links in yer log
20:02:48 asciilifeform: spamcontrol?
20:03:08 kakobrekla: huh?
20:03:11 scatha: ascii, ok i'll check in here when i can :)
20:03:31 asciilifeform: when somebody puts a link in -- they're not clickable
20:03:57 kakobrekla: oh
20:04:03 kakobrekla: ill fix that
20:04:18 asciilifeform: i was wondering if deliberate, to discourage spamola
20:04:38 kakobrekla: there is no spamola
20:04:42 kakobrekla: what are you talking about
20:04:54 asciilifeform: there briefly was iirc
20:04:57 asciilifeform: some bot
20:05:11 kakobrekla: eh
20:05:25 kakobrekla: was was it, one or two lines or something
20:05:30 asciilifeform: yea
20:05:42 kakobrekla: would happen even with the voice model when someone would up it
20:05:46 kakobrekla: to see 'who is that'
20:05:50 asciilifeform: aha
20:05:56 kakobrekla: but instead of two lines youd get one
20:06:00 kakobrekla: boo-hoo
20:06:02 kakobrekla: cry me ariver
20:06:03 asciilifeform: lol
20:06:13 *: asciilifeform bbl
20:06:16 kakobrekla: gl
21:28:57 funkenstein_: wow that's quite the paper
21:29:06 funkenstein_: I expect much better English from three Indian guys
21:29:36 funkenstein_: "Ethereum which is also known as the currency of the future because it is a more robust compared to Bitcoin"
21:30:39 funkenstein_: "The key feature of these currencies was there anonymous feature and that should be intact."
21:31:06 funkenstein_: I also like tabs and have found they have no effect on memory.
21:31:35 funkenstein_: Ok well I guess apart from the fact that dropping a few tabs might make things more memorable.
21:32:40 funkenstein_: nice to see you outside the box scatha :)
22:03:07 funkenstein_: punkman didya see that footage of a goat somewhere in greece hanging from the power lines ?
22:05:19 funkenstein_: www.nature.com/nature/journal/v547/n7663/full/nature23005.html
22:23:36 scatha: funkenstein_ :) i needed to get some "fresh air". the trolls in the box have become really weird lately- as if they are in some sort of ideological divide-and-conquer mission. not like your average schoolbpy trolls.
22:24:12 funkenstein_: there have been some real gems over the years but I'm surprised to hear some got under your skin
22:26:03 scatha: it's not single persons that bothered me, but the hive mind that seems to gather them on idelogical warfare, such as ridiculing every opinion other than is valid on some agenda we don't know but can easily guess.
22:26:46 scatha: that PDF up there was more like funny, so many mistakes, the guy who wrote it was a real noob.
22:29:54 scatha: "segwit is inevitable. updates are inevitable." yeah, right. accepting a ruling authority messing with something that was invented for the very reason of being free from such a ruling "authority" - that's like destroying the light bulb in a lamp and calling it "upgrade"
22:30:16 asciilifeform: scatha: just piss on it
22:30:33 asciilifeform: don't accept segshitness tx as payment. don't send any. problem solved.
22:31:19 scatha: ok thanks for the thumbs up ascii :)
22:31:45 asciilifeform: and piss likewise on anyone advocating the contrary. they work for the enemy.
22:32:55 scatha: but sadly, all public wallets any newcomer would find on the net, are already BIP tainted.
22:33:06 asciilifeform: don't use 'wallets'
22:33:25 scatha: i mean, all clients. sorry - it's late
22:33:31 asciilifeform: trb isn't.
22:33:39 asciilifeform: therealbitcoin.org
22:33:44 asciilifeform: the one and only actual bitcoin client.
22:34:03 scatha: yes but even i found TRB only recently.
22:34:04 funkenstein_: you can still send and receive standard TX on any client i have seen
22:34:08 kakobrekla: (until first hf)
22:34:26 asciilifeform: kakobrekla's been promising a bitcoin-killing fork for year+ now
22:36:00 kakobrekla: first time i hear of it
22:36:25 kakobrekla: scatha, nobody actually uses that thing afaik.
22:36:31 scatha: kako? so it's YOU who is behind all that segwit forking campaign ? o.O
22:36:40 asciilifeform: him and others.
22:36:54 kakobrekla: yeah im russian spy working for nsa and segwit
22:36:58 asciilifeform: he hangs around in this ~dead chan mostly to dissuade people from using actual bitcoin.
22:37:03 asciilifeform: to demoralize.
22:37:04 kakobrekla: opss did that came out loud?
22:37:23 scatha: the client i've been using of late is bitcoin-core 0.13.1 - and i found it even that one has already been BIPped
22:37:57 asciilifeform: scatha: trb works great. i have 2 five-nines-uptime GB/s nodes going, and bunch of other folks -- yet others
22:38:00 kakobrekla: l0l asciilifeform why do you hang out here anyway, to spread more fud?
22:38:12 funkenstein_: what's BIPped mean?
22:38:13 pankkake: wrong! there are 9 people using it!
22:38:19 kakobrekla: pankkake, hence nobody.
22:38:25 scatha: good to know that therealbitcoin exists, will move before august 1st, does it require resynch and can i import wallet.dat?
22:38:27 kakobrekla: has 2 nodes but 0 coin. boo-hoo.
22:38:28 asciilifeform: pankkake: that's just the people listed on 'bitnodes', which requires spoofing >0.8 version
22:38:39 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: nodes don't require coin to work, lol
22:39:00 asciilifeform: scatha: requires sync from empty
22:39:04 kakobrekla: hence nobody USES them
22:39:16 kakobrekla: do you know what it means to USE?
22:39:17 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they're going at max capacity for 2+ years now, 24/7
22:39:31 kakobrekla: im not talking about relying blocks
22:39:35 kakobrekla: a 20 lines of python can do that
22:39:42 asciilifeform: relaying tx and blocks that VERIFY
22:39:48 asciilifeform: not pseudonoding.
22:40:12 asciilifeform: kakobrekla if you aren't a disinfo artist, why try so hard to sound like one.
22:40:18 kakobrekla: nobody gives a shit if your node doesnt verify something
22:40:30 kakobrekla: that is the nature of reality
22:40:36 pankkake: must be real slow too. without leveldb, libsecp256k1 and all the major sync speed improvements
22:40:39 kakobrekla: but pls take moar hallucinogen you have been on
22:40:47 scatha: funkenstein: BIPped = tainted with of those weird BIP, smegshit or "unlimited" protocols which are put out there to destabilize bitcoin.
22:40:48 asciilifeform: betcha kakobrekla would luvvv it if folx who run nodes were suddenly happy to verify a tx that moves all of kakobrekla's coin to asciilifeform's addr
22:40:57 kakobrekla: asciilifeform, go ahead!
22:40:57 asciilifeform: pankkake: 'improvements'
22:41:02 asciilifeform: fuck'em with red hot poker.
22:41:15 kakobrekla: ols to move all of my coin to alfs address
22:41:18 kakobrekla: lets see it happen
22:41:22 kakobrekla: pls*
22:41:44 pankkake: are there any reasons to dislike them, and by that I mean technical reasons?
22:41:54 asciilifeform: pankkake: 100x the lines of code, for starters.
22:42:10 asciilifeform: pankkake: lack of full tx index, starting with 0.8, for other.
22:42:16 funkenstein_: scatha, i don't think they can do much - if i put some software that looks at OP_RETURN transactions and record them as chunky cheese tokens, it shouldn't bother you
22:42:30 kakobrekla: now even if there is a tx on the network that moves all my coin to alfs address and 'trb' says 'no' to
22:42:32 pankkake: you can have a full tx index if you ask it to
22:42:36 kakobrekla: it will be accepted in the next block
22:42:43 kakobrekla: ~fin~
22:42:48 scatha: I wonder if forking bitcoin-core on github and editing out all the BIP shit would do?
22:42:49 pankkake: also you can disable wallet for even more speed
22:42:56 pankkake: just with config switches - amazing
22:42:59 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: have fun on the idiot chain, what can i sayu
22:43:05 kakobrekla: thanks!
22:44:16 kakobrekla: idiot chain > no chain
22:44:17 kakobrekla: :)
22:44:40 asciilifeform: paypal awaits.
22:44:44 scatha: haha! .. you guys are too pr0 for me, but i'll try to understand :)
22:44:53 pankkake: 1 block every 50 years
22:45:12 scatha: what is paypal? never heard of that altcoin.
22:45:13 pankkake: at least there will be less inflation
22:45:28 kakobrekla: id rather have paypal than zeropal
22:47:28 kakobrekla: i find quality of life better when you consider to be practical
22:47:36 kakobrekla: but feel free to do what you want!
22:52:31 scatha: I think it's good to be practical in the moment and keep up long term idealistic goals as well.
22:53:08 funkenstein_: well put
22:53:43 kakobrekla: right
22:53:57 kakobrekla: i find trb an interesting experiment, not really useful in practice
22:54:25 funkenstein_: which is kind of what "reference client" implies
22:54:28 kakobrekla: !s melting gold
22:54:46 kakobrekla: last time we had convo about this melting gold was involved iirc
22:54:54 scatha: so, is bitcoin-core 0.12.x a better choice ?
22:55:07 asciilifeform: i have nfi what kakobrekla does with his btc client, but the half dozen or so times in a year that i send a tx, trb worx perfectly.
22:55:08 kakobrekla: im not going to advocate any particular version
22:55:38 kakobrekla: asciilifeform, i stuff them in my arse and dance around the fire naked
22:55:42 kakobrekla: what else
22:56:27 kakobrekla: i would also make a note here that mining by hand also works perfectly
22:57:06 asciilifeform: there's fud, and there's trying it yourself.
22:57:10 kakobrekla: no backd00rz!!
22:57:37 funkenstein_: coinb.in is a nice tool for crafting TX and you can bring it online for submitting them as well
22:57:48 scatha: i do send BTC a lot more often, but then again, i have been doing a lot of altcoin trading.
22:58:06 kakobrekla: i also have a thing i called 'gaper' and alf described as 'data diode'
22:58:19 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: if you're generating tx using code you haven't read, you're a chump who will be eventually separated from 'his' money.
22:58:33 scatha: ha!.... calculating hashes by hand ? that's worse than calculating the mandelbrot set ...:O
22:58:55 pankkake: gaper… sounds naughty
22:59:03 kakobrekla: pun intended
22:59:45 kakobrekla: maybe next project for alf to sell
22:59:46 funkenstein_: asciilifeform, i like to read the code - it's short - and offline boxes are also worth the peace of mind
23:00:22 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they already sell diodes at hardware store. i fear there is no room to corner that market.
23:00:29 funkenstein_: nobody is going to keep serious money on a running bitcoin node
23:00:47 kakobrekla: asciilifeform, its not 'a diode', its a thing you called 'data diode'
23:00:51 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: observation wasn't strictly concerning 'hot' nodes.
23:00:58 kakobrekla: idk if they replaced you with a fake or you dont recall
23:01:01 kakobrekla: but whatever.
23:01:18 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i dun know re yours, but mine consists of laser on one end of fibre and photodiode on other.
23:01:42 asciilifeform: ( i posted a photo a few months ago, but i assume you dun read #t and didn't have occasion to see )
23:01:55 kakobrekla: why would i read sewer?
23:02:48 kakobrekla: (i can only assume you consider your stuff to be piss and shit so you dump it there?)
23:03:07 kakobrekla: but if you fart out an occasional diamond, you can paste here
23:03:33 asciilifeform: i dun wanna bore kakobrekla
23:03:45 asciilifeform: ( we have most of a pgp replacement, for instance. )
23:04:14 kakobrekla: you mean you have
23:04:19 asciilifeform: no, we.
23:04:27 kakobrekla: i dun think what that word means but ok
23:04:37 kakobrekla: i dont think you know*
23:06:20 funkenstein_: if you want your work to be taken seriously, why not publish it in a serious forum?
23:06:28 asciilifeform: there is exactly one serious forum.
23:06:33 kakobrekla: haha
23:06:59 kakobrekla: that is why you are not taken seriously :)
23:07:29 asciilifeform: reminds me , i gotta peek into dumpster behind my house and ask the racoon whether he takes my work seriously.
23:07:58 kakobrekla: but we know that answer to that one already
23:08:38 kakobrekla: anyway, mega waste of time this, better to talk to the wall.
23:08:45 funkenstein_: apparently so
23:09:20 kakobrekla: at least the wall does not object with retarded arguments
23:11:42 asciilifeform: pankkake: fuck c.
23:11:50 asciilifeform: and fuck proggies > 1000 ln.
23:11:50 pankkake: (but, personally, I need many of gpg's features)
23:12:00 pankkake: you're rewriting it in rust?
23:12:03 asciilifeform: ada
23:12:11 asciilifeform: with correctness proof.
23:12:29 pankkake: actually interesting!
23:12:35 asciilifeform: ( eventually will post commented disassembly of builds on a few archs, also )
23:12:49 kakobrekla: but only in a 'serious avenue' lel
23:12:55 asciilifeform: yes.
23:13:02 asciilifeform: kakobrekla is welcome to keep not reading.
23:13:07 kakobrekla: thanks!
23:13:12 kakobrekla: you are so nice to me tonight
23:13:13 asciilifeform: yw!
23:13:17 kakobrekla: you wanna fuck me in the ass or what?
23:13:28 asciilifeform: lol dun swing that way, hate to disappoint
23:13:56 kakobrekla: we can take it on private, dun worry
23:14:12 kakobrekla: i realize there is a lot of homophobia in your parts
23:14:19 pankkake: if your audience doesn't know ada and formal proofs that's kinda wasted
23:14:26 asciilifeform: pankkake: i teach'em
23:14:39 asciilifeform: mod6 for instance is pretty handy at this point
23:14:41 asciilifeform: phf also
23:14:47 asciilifeform: a few others.
23:15:56 kakobrekla: funny enough alf still thinks this is not his but c0m00nity effort
23:16:08 kakobrekla: cracks me up
23:37:15 funkenstein_: anyway happy birthday to to mr. george clinton turning 75 today
23:37:39 funkenstein_: there's a guy who didn't embrace early onset dementia and kept trying new forums and new ideas
23:41:41 kakobrekla: btw alf this brings up an interesting question, why do you stick around? you know you can misrepresent things without actually being here? probably even better so.
23:42:27 asciilifeform: largely for the punkman threads
23:43:01 asciilifeform: but kakobrekla is a fun d00d also
23:43:37 kakobrekla: dont even know what is that suppose to mean :)