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Transcript for 22-08-2014, 935 lines:

00:27:50 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFYTNXaP5U << the only acceptable listening for hacking aws automation

00:27:50 assbot: Year Of No Light - Tocsin [Full Album] [HQ] - YouTube

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00:54:06 mircea_popescu: lol

00:57:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: herr church: from his writings, it seems as if he started out as basically-functional human (maths type?) but then ended up in the si. valley garbage disposal and was mutilated there (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7340013)

00:57:34 assbot: I've written about it at length already and don't choose to relive it in detail,... | Hacker News

00:57:56 asciilifeform: now he's a living 'tilt mode' and campaigns for... unionizing programmers ?

00:58:44 asciilifeform: or perhaps not in sv proper, but in related bezzlatron elsewhere

00:59:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2989 = 1.1956 BTC [+]

00:59:15 *: asciilifeform doesn't know this fellow, can't say for certain

01:00:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i agree.

01:01:09 asciilifeform: http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/silicon-valley-and-the-rise-of-the-disneypreneur << basically factual afaik

01:01:11 assbot: Silicon Valley and the Rise of the Disneypreneur | Michael O. Church

01:01:13 mircea_popescu: guy;d have benefited immensely from a non absent father.

01:01:32 asciilifeform: seems like he's just pining for gasenwagen and yearns to hasten it

01:01:53 mircea_popescu: in point of fact, unionization of "founders" in sv is unavoidable.

01:02:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8866 @ 0.00064403 = 5.71 BTC [-]

01:02:26 asciilifeform: probably a good candidate for a future 'joseph stack' incident.

01:02:46 asciilifeform: wonder what kind of kinetic energy delivery system he'll pick.

01:04:25 mircea_popescu: nah these cowardly pricks never kill anyone.

01:05:36 asciilifeform: sure they do.

01:05:40 mircea_popescu: "The 2010 Austin terrorist attack" dude for crying out loud.

01:05:44 asciilifeform: 'the broom shoots once.'

01:05:47 mircea_popescu: do these people even know what terrorist means ?

01:06:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the broom dood. not the dog vomit moss.

01:06:27 mthreat: what's the 2010 Austin terrorist attack?

01:06:32 mthreat: I must have survived it

01:06:45 mircea_popescu: mthreat some guy got pissed off at irs, flew his radio airplane into a pole across the street.

01:06:48 asciilifeform: 'Один раз в жизни и швабра стреляет'

01:06:49 mthreat: oh right

01:06:56 mthreat: I used to work in teh building next to the one he hit.

01:07:08 mircea_popescu: were you terrorized ?

01:07:16 mthreat: He hit the building with the IRS investigators

01:07:47 mthreat: I wasn't terrorized

01:07:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: radio airplane << ordinary airplane, with him in

01:08:03 mircea_popescu: im in the process of forcing a point.

01:10:21 The20YearIRCloud: Wasn't it a single engine, real life sized airplane?

01:10:45 asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: according to the official story - it was.

01:10:56 *: asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't fill it

01:10:57 mircea_popescu: radio erevan answers! user : is it true that ivan ivanovich was given a bike ?

01:11:10 The20YearIRCloud: Of course, the greys were behind it

01:11:20 mircea_popescu: re : yes, it is true, except it wasn't ivan ivanovich but vladimir vladimirovich, it wasn't a bike but a car and it wasn't given but taken away

01:11:23 asciilifeform: 'not a bike, but a wheelbarrow, and not given, but deprived of'

01:11:24 asciilifeform: lol

01:11:28 mircea_popescu: :p

01:11:32 asciilifeform: everybody knows that one.

01:12:12 mircea_popescu: "everbody" as in всякий

01:12:17 asciilifeform: ahaha

01:13:20 asciilifeform: in alternate hypothesis of radio-plane-into-pole, what'd he fill it with? octanitrocubane?

01:13:51 mircea_popescu: i was not seriously proposing that was what happened. i was merely illustrating the disproportion between what occurred and terrorism.

01:13:59 asciilifeform: aha

01:14:35 mircea_popescu: "sammy j beats his wife regularly. johnny told his wife if she doesn't stop dressing like an out of work whore he'll beat her too. sammy is on trial for terrorism nao"

01:16:42 asciilifeform: but - how do we know that herr church is a coward?

01:16:51 asciilifeform: merely because he has not flown his plane yet ?

01:17:43 mircea_popescu: well i don't know how we know, and i don't really know how i know. but i do know.

01:17:48 mircea_popescu: i can tell. no idea.

01:18:27 mircea_popescu: too narcissistic perhaps. it just fits with experience.

01:18:28 asciilifeform: his writings are inescapably reminiscent of j. stack's

01:18:48 asciilifeform: at any rate, they have the flavour of the work of a man who doesn't intend to live particularly long.

01:18:51 mircea_popescu: i never read that guy, but i will take the challenge. show how.

01:19:01 asciilifeform: stack? or church

01:19:41 mircea_popescu: well the two. you said they're similar.

01:19:50 asciilifeform: pretty sure we autopsied herr stack here

01:20:06 asciilifeform: !s joseph stack

01:20:07 assbot: 3 results for 'joseph stack' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=joseph+stack

01:20:18 mircea_popescu: i guess the j stack replica in my head flew a plane into part of my memory

01:20:26 mircea_popescu: metaterrorism

01:20:51 asciilifeform: lol

01:20:59 asciilifeform: ;;google joseph stack manifesto

01:20:59 gribble: Insane Manifesto Of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Andrew Stack: http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2; here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man ...: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464; 2010 Austin suicide attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)

01:21:48 mircea_popescu: ok so what are the similarities between http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464 and article in question ?

01:21:50 assbot: here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man" - RE Austin plane crash - Democratic Underground

01:23:01 asciilifeform: similar in that both attested to being 'in a corner' - whether by ill fortune, having pissed off wrong people, or some genuine misdeeds of whatever kind

01:23:16 mircea_popescu: im not sure that whether is valid in context.

01:24:09 mircea_popescu: people in a corner by ill fortune get depressed. people in a corner by misdeeds reprogram. people in a corner by having pissed off wrong people turn sluts.

01:24:34 asciilifeform: turn sluts ?

01:24:36 mircea_popescu: the only people that start throwing things are the people in a corner through a system they do not wish to continue in any circumstances.

01:24:46 asciilifeform: yes. that'd be it.

01:24:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants.

01:25:53 asciilifeform: even the lowest stoolie is still, at least in his mind, 'part of something'

01:26:03 asciilifeform: especially if his handler isn't quite finished with him

01:26:35 mircea_popescu: exactly.

01:26:41 asciilifeform: this other picture, is that of a feral dog, who knows that the next stop is the soap boiler and carries on accordingly

01:26:53 mircea_popescu: and mike ocd is also part of something. whereas the austin guy clearly is not.

01:27:11 asciilifeform: what gives the picture that he's part of something? and, what might this something e

01:27:12 asciilifeform: be

01:27:51 mircea_popescu: do you see the difference between some party declaring war (whether this is entirely in their own mind and an exercise in pure ridicule) and someone declaring jihad ?

01:27:58 mircea_popescu: the former perceives he has some sort of army.

01:28:15 mircea_popescu: the latter perceives he does not need one.

01:28:35 asciilifeform: there's a palpable 'if not you then who, if not now then when' flavour to the latter.

01:28:58 asciilifeform: like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.'

01:29:11 asciilifeform: (long gone, incidentally. they got a new pr team.)

01:29:17 mircea_popescu: of course. there's a lot of power in disinterest.

01:29:35 mthreat: this is for mircea_popescu: http://instagram.com/p/dVL0KigdHo

01:29:35 assbot: Instagram

01:29:52 mircea_popescu: mthreat pastry ?

01:30:26 mthreat: cupcake

01:30:41 mircea_popescu: i just ordered a replica made :D

01:30:54 mircea_popescu: someone, somewhere is probably cursing you nao.

01:33:14 nubbins`: ok, so "what is bitcoin" poster design is complete

01:33:42 nubbins`: just printing a proof now on the inkjet, likely start pre-press in the next couple days

01:34:04 mircea_popescu: cool.

01:34:34 decimation: re: satellite : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Extremely_High_Frequency << according to la wik, it is geosynchronous, not a leo

01:34:34 assbot: Advanced Extremely High Frequency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:35:04 mircea_popescu: decimation something that big can't be in leo anyway.

01:36:33 decimation: well, the ISS is

01:36:39 decimation: except they have constantly boost the orbit

01:37:15 mircea_popescu: well the iss is not a closed system.

01:37:29 mircea_popescu: if it had to carry all its fuel it'd have collapsed years ago.

01:37:49 decimation: indeed. the mind reels at the cost/benefit ratio

01:38:22 mircea_popescu: then consider the sigma events.

01:38:30 mircea_popescu: solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms.

01:38:50 mircea_popescu: that means your 2k km orbit has just been degraded significantly, and you're now dragging 10x or 100x what you were a minute ago.

01:39:20 decimation: I was reading antifragile earlier today.

01:39:54 mircea_popescu: (remember skylab ?)

01:40:09 decimation: MIR was up for a long time; also with constant attention

01:42:02 mircea_popescu: yup

01:42:10 decimation: spending the $billions on a robot-mining-factory would have had much better roi than idiots floating in space

01:42:23 *: asciilifeform wonders if any of these machines were fitted with scoops. snarf up atmospheric gas, piss it out the accelerator tube (earthwise.) no need for on-board tank.

01:43:31 asciilifeform: by no means a 'maxwell daemon', given as there is a power source (officially - photovoltaics; in practice - mini-reactor)

01:44:33 *: asciilifeform wonders if this could even be carried out mechanically, with something like a wirbelrohr.

01:44:34 decimation: asciilifeform: they definitely do use electromagnets to oppose the earth's magnetic field and generate thrust: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_torquers

01:44:34 assbot: Magnetorquer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:45:36 decimation: asciilifeform: the trouble is that you would have to increase surface area, and therefore drag, to operate such a collector

01:45:46 decimation: friction opposes the extra thrust-mass

01:46:07 *: asciilifeform guesses that someone whose arse depends on the outcome crunched the numbers

01:46:12 *: asciilifeform guesses wrong before, however.

01:47:11 decimation: heh yeah. it's close to this idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussard_ramjet

01:47:11 assbot: Bussard ramjet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:47:16 asciilifeform: not strictly necessary to increase surface area.

01:47:24 asciilifeform: just make sure that all exposed surfaces are scoops.

01:48:30 decimation: presumably this would make the surface 'rough', and therefore increase friction. but now we are in the realm of highly non-linear fluid dynamics

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01:49:51 mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform wonders if this could even be carried out mechanically, with something like a wirbelrohr. << you'd need a good ion engine, actually.

01:50:10 mircea_popescu: at something like 100pa, all you need is to accelerate one ion in 100 to 100 times the average brownian speed.

01:50:51 mircea_popescu: this is the major application for ion engines, not space travel : mangement of the upper atmosphere. nobody wants to say this, for some reason.

01:52:05 *: asciilifeform blows dust of 'reducing space mission cost' (wertzel & larson)

01:52:17 mircea_popescu: and speaking of the upper atmosphere : i have had to extreme pleasure to encounter again the sun of my youth, down here. for the first fifteen or so years of my existence on earth, the sun was this warm, pleasant, narrow source.

01:52:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody wants to say this, for some reason << what? this is a schoolbook fact

01:52:38 mircea_popescu: then it became an impossible near uv, far uv, ir etc horror, to the degree i couldn't even look at the daytime sky.

01:52:39 asciilifeform: only place such engines are ever found

01:53:04 mircea_popescu: but now... it's all better. so i guess in a few more decades only northeners will be fit to go on space missions

01:53:13 mircea_popescu: and they won't even need that much shielding .

01:53:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well in teh press. generally "ion engine" => intergallactic travel.

01:53:38 asciilifeform: lol

01:54:03 asciilifeform: it's a fscking commercial product

01:54:25 mircea_popescu: s/nobody/journonobodies

01:54:42 asciilifeform: the difference between profit and orbital garbage

01:55:22 asciilifeform: at any rate, w&l pedantically list every basic gyrostabilization gizmo, including the magnetic one, but nothing bussard-esque.

01:56:04 decimation: la wik recommends this book: "The Star Flight Handbook" for the math on the bussard design

01:56:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well iirc that thing was predicated on proton-proton fusion

01:56:21 *: asciilifeform inherited the little book from a job as student, where he had approximately the same relationship to ion engines as a farting cow has to the 'greenhouse effect'

01:56:27 mircea_popescu: which irl never happens.

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01:58:07 decimation: the most realistic "intergalactic travel" design that I'm aware of is the one that shits nukes every few minutes

01:58:09 asciilifeform: in principle, if you can piss atoms out, in direction opposite where they came from, with greater v - you move.

01:58:23 asciilifeform: or rather, in same directio

01:58:24 asciilifeform: n

01:58:38 asciilifeform: (depends where you want to go)

01:58:55 asciilifeform: opposite, ideally

01:59:02 *: asciilifeform is not awake

02:00:50 mircea_popescu: Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn?t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about a

02:00:50 mircea_popescu: ll of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to ?shore up? their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

02:01:14 mircea_popescu: but no, because nobel-prize-whatshisface said that government spending is beneficial for the economy.

02:01:14 decimation: heh what link?

02:01:20 mircea_popescu: decimation earlier terrorist.

02:01:50 mircea_popescu: what do you mean making some bases which you then close is on the whole a net negative, putting the place worse off than it would have been had you minded your own business!

02:02:33 asciilifeform: re: magnetorquer: saw one in toy store recently! (vendor: http://www.turtletechdesign.com)

02:02:40 decimation: well, like Mr. church pointed out earlier, most folk who took it hard were the lowly engineers and techs who were just trying to get by

02:03:14 mircea_popescu: generally the masses in the democracy tend to get it nice and hard. which seems fair, if only in a very cold, distant, macro sense.

02:03:42 decimation: asciilifeform: that's pretty cool!

02:04:19 decimation: I suspect they charge golden toilet prices though

02:05:05 asciilifeform: decimation: it was a toy. somewhere north of 100 usd, i think

02:05:27 asciilifeform: just sits there and turns.

02:05:32 asciilifeform: (so long as the room is lit)

02:06:06 decimation: wonder how it would work on the magnetic pole

02:06:12 mircea_popescu: "But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. "

02:06:28 mircea_popescu: people really need to figure out this affect/effect ensure/insure business.

02:06:33 asciilifeform: lol

02:06:52 *: asciilifeform apparently is not the only one annoyed by the word abuse

02:07:08 mircea_popescu: it really bothers me when i see people who're supposedly detail oriented, engineers and whatnot.

02:07:24 *: asciilifeform recently walked past a marble wall, thanking various donors to xxx that 'insured a bright future for this establishment'

02:07:26 mircea_popescu: i mean, i don't think i yet published an article without a typo or two in it, sure. but there's a difference.

02:07:37 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms. << see, this is why i read the logs obsessively.

02:07:44 ben_vulpes: atmo expands 500kms under flare?

02:08:13 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes atmosphere is mostly constrained by gravity, which makes the heat a major factor. if you heat it it expands.

02:08:21 asciilifeform: homophone malapropisms are a kind of leper's bell for people who learned english (or whichever language) by hearing, and are innocent of books

02:08:24 mircea_popescu: upper atmosphere is constrained magnetically. disturb the field, it expan\ds/shrinks

02:08:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. and some people shouldn't be innocent of books, and MORE IMPORTANTLY of the written process of thinking.

02:08:57 decimation: the worst effect of a solar flare is the massive plasma cloud that the sun farts when it happens. if it hits the earth just right, it sets up massive moving magnetic fields which generate large currents in long conductors

02:08:58 mircea_popescu: fucking visual "thinkers" meh.

02:09:14 mircea_popescu: decimation that's for down on the surface tho.

02:09:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's also a third, very annoying van allen belt (!) that pops up during flares.

02:09:22 asciilifeform: (recently documented)

02:10:03 decimation: asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu said the other night, the sea will be our loving mother long before space embraces humanity

02:10:04 The20YearIRCloud: takes a pretty good hit from a flare to cause significant problems

02:10:14 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but yes, as far as numerically approached, a major flare can do 500km.

02:10:26 The20YearIRCloud: with all of the flares below X class ones, it just reduces signal range/strength with the benefit being an easier job skipping radio signals

02:10:26 ben_vulpes: paha that's intense.

02:10:41 decimation: The20YearIRCloud: that's not quite accurate

02:10:54 ben_vulpes: so a big one will not just wipe out lots of networks, but also totally fuck a lot of orbital planning.

02:10:56 The20YearIRCloud: That's what my understanding was

02:10:57 asciilifeform: van allen belt, incidentally, is what becomes the 'dynamo' for a nuke's emp burst.

02:11:10 asciilifeform: but afaik this is well-known

02:11:26 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes older satellites are better planned ironically. modern military shit however, especially us stuff is in real danger

02:11:26 decimation: the lower ionospheric d-layer becomes ionized which absorbs most lower-frequency HF signals. most line-of-sight vhf/uhf is unaffected

02:11:29 ben_vulpes: not to me - what do you mean by "dynamo"?

02:11:54 decimation: in the long run, the higher f-layers become ionized too, enabling longer-distance reliable communication on HF

02:11:55 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: older engineers really thought through a lot a lot of potential orbital problems - doesn't really surprise me.

02:12:00 asciilifeform: the place where charge moves (in this case, electrons) to generate magnetic field

02:12:03 The20YearIRCloud: And from my understanding it also effected higher band stuff too

02:12:10 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, actually, they just had much less data and better training, so they put slack in.

02:12:24 The20YearIRCloud: And i also thought that some satellites still utilized lower band stuff for altitude controls

02:12:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they also paid considerably more for launches

02:12:30 asciilifeform: the machines had to last.

02:12:33 mircea_popescu: current guys are very tightly oppressed by budgets and there's this overwhelming delusion that "we know shit" making a lot of garbage numbers be accepted .

02:12:47 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i meant the same thing. "i have no idea! better make some thick factors of safety in there."

02:12:51 mircea_popescu: yup.

02:13:05 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as "i dunno, make it twelve inches thick" is thinking

02:13:12 mircea_popescu: ironically, in engineering it usually is the best of thinkings.

02:13:31 ben_vulpes: this is closely related to a conversation i had today in which someone tried to argue without proof that a toyota tundra with its 10klb rating could *never NEVER* pull the US orbiter

02:14:10 decimation: the d-layer is up around 60 km above the surface, if the x-rays ionized the air around your head you would have bigger problems

02:14:13 ben_vulpes: i point out a) those ratings are for highway operation, b) those ratings are so that joe sixpack can haul his 12klb boat up a 30deg ramp c) that generally the operating envelope is entirely different

02:14:14 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: never pull? have them visit one of the 19th c. 'rotating prisons'

02:14:23 asciilifeform: jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank.

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02:14:32 decimation: http://www.ips.gov.au/Educational/1/3/5 here's a page with a graph that shows attenuation in different frequency bands

02:14:34 assbot: IPS - Space Weather - Radio Fadeouts and Solar Flares

02:15:25 asciilifeform: http://www.rotaryjailmuseum.org

02:15:26 assbot: Welcome!

02:15:26 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: surprisingly, i understand the power of leverage and reduced friction in tandem.

02:15:33 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA

02:15:33 assbot: Star Trek TNG Ambient Engine Noise (Idling for 24 hrs) - YouTube

02:16:59 kakobrekla: noice.

02:18:56 decimation: re: engineering thinking < taleb makes this point, if you want to learn about reality, ask someone who has tried to get things done, not someone who is a bureaucrat

02:20:07 mircea_popescu: !up InternetNazi

02:21:14 decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/read-them-the-riot-act/ "If the group failed to disperse within one hour, then anyone remaining gathered was guilty of a felony without benefit of clergy, punishable by death."

02:21:15 assbot: Read Them the Riot Act « Isegoria

02:21:22 decimation: such a long way the british have fallen

02:21:37 asciilifeform: 'pour la canaille la mitraille.'

02:22:10 decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/public-health-benefits-of-culture/ "one could conclude that a mass conversion to Mormonism would reduce social problems more effectively than all welfare spending, academic research, and public health initiatives in the last fifty years."

02:22:11 assbot: Public Health Benefits of Culture « Isegoria

02:22:35 asciilifeform: decimation: wonder why he suggests mormonism, vs. islam.

02:22:49 asciilifeform: (the usual favourite prescription of similar pontificators)

02:23:28 decimation: I suspect that the variance of the "mormon benefit" is lower, given that it hasn't had 1500 years to fracture

02:24:22 mircea_popescu: decimation no, but it would manage to reduce mormonism to something below what its critics today perceive of it.

02:24:50 decimation: I view it as proof of the costs of antinomianism

02:24:55 asciilifeform: 'google workers are clean-shaved and obedient. therefore everyone should be conscripted to work for google.'

02:25:24 asciilifeform: ^ similarly idiotic and equivalent modest proposal

02:25:29 ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA << i was rocking that this morning before the shop got rowdy

02:25:29 assbot: Star Trek TNG Ambient Engine Noise (Idling for 24 hrs) - YouTube

02:25:41 nubbins`: heh

02:25:50 nubbins`: i just realized i'd been listening to it for 3.5 hours

02:26:11 ben_vulpes: best white noise.

02:26:15 nubbins`: nod

02:26:26 decimation: asciilifeform: you have spoken about the benefits of having a 'tribe' in the past

02:26:43 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770620

02:26:44 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:26:51 asciilifeform: decimation: sure.

02:27:02 asciilifeform: doesn't mean you can engineer this retroactively

02:27:58 asciilifeform: mr mold once wrote, if i recall, that his greatest wish is that he were a mormon or moslem

02:29:46 ben_vulpes: 'burner' isn't a bad tribe. needs filtering, but all do anyways.

02:29:55 asciilifeform: burner ?

02:30:28 decimation: asciilifeform: agreed, such things must grow 'organically'

02:30:28 ben_vulpes: someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly.

02:30:55 ben_vulpes: the most interesting and network-worthy tend to eschew the actual burn in favor of the smaller regional events and their hometown community.

02:31:18 asciilifeform: what's a tribe next? chess?

02:31:32 ben_vulpes: what's a tribe in the first place?

02:32:03 nubbins`: ^

02:32:27 asciilifeform: pygmies, sure. mormons - ok. tuba players? nope

02:32:35 ben_vulpes: if you're expected to provide succor in time of need and can lean on the tribe in turn in your own time of need?

02:32:38 nubbins`: they're a tribe at band camp

02:33:29 *: asciilifeform doesn't understand why words must be stretched until they snap. 'tribe' has a well-understood meaning

02:34:50 decimation: ;;ud tribe

02:34:51 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tribes | Tribes. One of the best games in existance. Despite subpar graphics, this game, created by Dynamix and Sierra, is very easily modded (not to mention pirated), ...

02:34:56 asciilifeform: lol

02:34:58 decimation: lol

02:35:29 ben_vulpes: ""Tribe" is a contested term due to its roots in colonialism."

02:35:33 ben_vulpes: ^^ pediwik

02:36:11 decimation: in other words: whatever some white man thought is racsis, he doesn't get a say

02:36:14 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly. << sluts make a much better tribe imo.

02:36:16 asciilifeform: orc science quote of the day:

02:36:18 asciilifeform: 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.'

02:36:42 asciilifeform: ('химия и жизнь', 1991, forget which month)

02:36:42 ben_vulpes: plenty of sluts circle the Man

02:37:04 ben_vulpes: "sex positive" << one of the reasons i spent so much time with 'em

02:37:09 mircea_popescu: which is why you believe the burning man is good :)

02:40:26 decimation: herr walker has a book review on boronated fuels http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-03/001499.html

02:40:26 assbot: Reading List: The Green Flame (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason)

02:43:14 asciilifeform: sr-71 'blackbird.'

02:43:22 asciilifeform: and 'kelly's lighter fluid.'

02:43:57 asciilifeform: (peculiar fuel, that was entirely non-flammable under ordinary conditions, but would burn with triethylboron.)

02:45:32 decimation: here's an older review in a similar vein: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2012-04/001367.html " in the quest for “exotic fuel” (which the author defines as “It's expensive, it's got boron in it, and it probably doesn't work.”), "

02:45:32 assbot: Reading List: Ignition! (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason)

02:46:40 asciilifeform: 'the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.' << famous

02:47:40 *: mircea_popescu recalls lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat.

02:47:53 mircea_popescu: "in case of ni-fl fire, dump vat"

02:48:16 decimation: how is that going to help? melt your face?

02:48:47 mircea_popescu: i have nfi

02:49:33 asciilifeform: b2h6 is a beauty. reacts with pretty much everything, including fluorocarbon extinguisher agents, e.g. halon.

02:49:34 mircea_popescu: maybe the idea was that if you're close enough you're burning anyway.

02:50:14 decimation: the nazis used hypergolics to 'operationalize' their rocket plane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Stoff " there were numerous catastrophic explosions of the Messerschmitt Me 163 aircraft that employed this fuel system" not shit

02:50:15 assbot: C-Stoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:50:33 asciilifeform: aha, where sometimes landed, but pilot dissolved.

02:52:35 asciilifeform: until (afaik) the '80s, soviet rockets flew on (asymmetric) dimethylhydrazine

02:54:13 decimation: I guess this is why burt rutan et.al. are so interested in nitrous oxide/kerosene

02:55:17 kakobrekla: a yea messerschmitt, i have flown that.

02:55:48 mircea_popescu: well not that exact model i should hope

02:55:53 decimation: the me-163?

02:56:04 decimation: yeah you would face a pretty good chance of death

02:56:16 kakobrekla: yea, in sturmovik.

02:57:19 decimation: I thought the best part of that tom cruise movie about the 20 juli plot was the fully-painted and operational FW 200 Condor

02:58:06 decimation: sorry I mean a junkers Ju52

02:58:27 decimation: http://www.impdb.org/index.php?title=File:Valk_junker_J52_09.jpg

02:58:29 assbot: File:Valk junker J52 09.jpg - The Internet Movie Plane Database

03:00:00 decimation: apparently there's a group called Ju-air that maintains the thing, I'm sure for golden toliet prices they will also paint like hitler's plane http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dubendorf09.htm

03:00:01 assbot: Dubendorf Air Museum

03:00:54 peterl: mircea_popescu lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat. // decimation: how is that going to help? melt your face? << The acid will absorb the borohydride and deactivate it, makes boric acid

03:01:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33199 @ 0.00063788 = 21.177 BTC [-]

03:02:01 decimation: peterl: interesting

03:04:12 peterl: today I realized that in my lab I have ingredients to synthesize methamphetamine ...

03:05:44 decimation: peterl: using methylamine, breaking-bad style?

03:05:52 peterl: and this is why the drug war will never stop, because you can make the stuff from stupidly common compounds

03:06:24 peterl: no, a less traditional synthesis, from benzyl bromide, methylamine and acetaldehyde

03:06:56 peterl: oh, wait, you did say methylamine, heh

03:07:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00063738 = 2.8306 BTC [-] {2}

03:07:57 decimation: peterl: not only mdma, but also lots of other synthetic drugs that haven't even been identified yet

03:08:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17209 @ 0.00063613 = 10.9472 BTC [-]

03:08:55 peterl: gave me a great idea of a synthetic project, to optimize the synthesis, but I don't think my boss would like the target

03:10:04 decimation: as usual, usg is there to help http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i35/US-Criminalizes-Designer-Drugs.html

03:10:05 assbot: U.S. Criminalizes Designer Drugs | August 27, 2012 Issue - Vol. 90 Issue 35 | Chemical & Engineering News

03:10:35 asciilifeform: incidentally, usg proclaims that 'reagents' plus 'intent' is judged like X kg of final product. which usually sums to life-at-hard-labour.

03:10:57 asciilifeform: (where X is the mass of reagents found on the condemned)

03:11:16 decimation: "DEA acknowledges that not all of the designer drugs seized in the effort are listed on Schedule I. But the agency says prosecutors will rely on a federal law that allows these nonlisted compounds to be treated like a controlled substance if they are proven in court to be chemically or pharmacologically similar to a Schedule I drug." LoL as if a jury knows

03:11:18 nubbins`: but officer, i was harvesting this ergot for my migraines

03:11:32 asciilifeform: decimation: famous 'analogues act'

03:12:45 decimation: in engineering school we had a patent lawyer speak about his profession. He said he had to explain to a jury the concept of imaginary numbers, using colored pieces of posterboard

03:13:25 asciilifeform: decimation: did he explain why an engineer must never read an (unexpired) patent ?

03:13:36 asciilifeform: on pain of defrocking

03:14:02 decimation: heh no I hadn't heard that one, why not? one patent game is to "extend" patent X with minor variation X'

03:14:02 peterl: I read unexpired patents all the time

03:14:31 asciilifeform: if you admitted to reading a patent, and then lose infringement suit, plaintiff gets triple damages

03:14:34 asciilifeform: 'willful.'

03:14:54 *: asciilifeform IANAL but was taught this.

03:14:57 decimation: ah well if you are in that situation your lawyer army will help

03:15:15 decimation: no one is going to sue you unless you have assets to take

03:15:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2464 @ 0.00063613 = 1.5674 BTC [-]

03:15:31 asciilifeform: or simply need to 'have problems'

03:16:15 asciilifeform: everybody with an intact starfish has 'assets to take'

03:16:20 decimation: yeah those are 'shake-down' letters, most folks cave in exchange for immunity. newegg is famous for not caving: http://blog.newegg.com/patent-trolls-learn-mess-newegg/

03:17:09 decimation: the worst thing about us patents is the impenetrable legalese in which they are written

03:26:48 nubbins`: an intact starfish!

03:27:48 decimation: re: intact starfish: but not every penny is worth stooping to pick up. depends on circumstances, obviously.

03:34:41 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> which is why you believe the burning man is good :) << never said that "burning man" was good

03:35:01 ben_vulpes: only a) it has robust tribes orbiting and b) lovely babes

03:36:14 asciilifeform: 'robust tribes' ?

03:53:24 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

03:53:54 ben_vulpes: what would you call the thing that people agglomerate into in modern american culture in order to better thrive together than wilt under the radiation indidividually?

03:54:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29360 @ 0.00063856 = 18.7481 BTC [+]

03:55:00 mircea_popescu: tribes prolly worx

03:55:07 ben_vulpes: 's what im saying

03:55:43 ben_vulpes: it's like figuring out where to go to lunch: "no. you vetoed tacos. that means you figure out where we're going. now."

03:57:20 mircea_popescu: lol i find the best and most readily digested argument pro-slavery works out to "i say where we go eat. it takes all of thirty seconds. and if i say everyone gets lamb tikka masala, ordering takes thirty seconds too."

03:57:48 mircea_popescu: the mess hall being the principal argument pro-university in the classical period of universities too.

03:59:57 mircea_popescu: "Zapatillas Baratas"

04:00:08 mircea_popescu: i am now getting argentine spam on top of everything

04:08:04 BingoBoingo: Incredibly lulzy https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/08/a-bitcoin-backbone/

04:08:04 assbot: A Bitcoin Backbone | The Bitcoin Foundation

04:11:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo matt's backbone thing ? why ?

04:15:07 BingoBoingo: It didn't come from a typical muppet

04:15:58 BingoBoingo: Just really everything it isn't is amazing

04:15:58 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:17:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00063624 = 15.5243 BTC [-] {3}

04:23:21 mircea_popescu: hm ?

04:24:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [-] {2}

04:27:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00063575 = 12.3018 BTC [-] {2}

04:33:01 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/JulianMaroda/status/470406487370502144

04:33:02 assbot: Wtf is this for an app add description!? Punish their women, I mean really? /hashtag/DragonvsGod?src=hash /hashtag/AppStore?src=hash /Kotaku http://t.co/Ut6mtZg016

04:33:42 mircea_popescu: someone's gotta do it.

04:35:00 asciilifeform: 'what is best in life? to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women.'

04:35:06 asciilifeform: ^ probably referred to this

04:53:04 mircea_popescu: prolly. chinese corp.

04:59:28 pete_dushenski: o hello

05:02:30 mircea_popescu: hey

05:03:24 pete_dushenski: so this church dood is a piece o work eh

05:03:32 pete_dushenski: never heard of him prior

05:05:22 mircea_popescu: rule34

05:06:39 pete_dushenski: ;;isitup fraudsters.com

05:06:39 gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.

05:07:19 pete_dushenski: ;;isitdown fraudsters.com

05:07:22 gribble: fraudsters.com is down

05:07:28 pete_dushenski: o ok

05:07:29 mircea_popescu: orly ?

05:07:36 pete_dushenski: rly

05:08:01 pete_dushenski: first they go for mpoe, then fraudsters, then… the salmon

05:08:13 pete_dushenski: this being war and all

05:08:43 mircea_popescu: yup server crapped out.

05:08:48 pete_dushenski: whoever it is has skillz the canadian armed farces can only dream of

05:08:51 mircea_popescu: will be back later.

05:12:10 assbot: Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0GZ42BE.txt )

05:12:10 BingoBoingo: !b 12

05:12:56 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants. << and who precisely did the wives piss off? their fathers?

05:13:38 mircea_popescu: well no, the husband.

05:16:20 pete_dushenski: so how is the husband "the wrong person?"

05:16:50 mircea_popescu: lessee here

05:16:55 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.' << i remember these well, wondered if they were effective..

05:18:08 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski inasmuch as the married female has no rights and no recourse, pissing off her husband is pissing off the wrong guy. she quickly learns not to do that.

05:19:34 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski fraudsters back on.

05:19:41 pete_dushenski: *no* rights and *no* recourse? perhaps outside of north america.

05:20:03 mircea_popescu: outside of the very thin sliver of things that is north america 1980-2020ish.

05:20:16 mircea_popescu: and some other places and times, equally narrow to irrelevance.

05:20:22 pete_dushenski: lol fair enough

05:20:32 pete_dushenski: an historical aberration to be sure.

05:21:20 pete_dushenski: and even within this temporal vortex there are married women with wisdom

05:22:00 mircea_popescu: i'm making no value judgement here, merely using an example to illuminate a point.

05:23:06 pete_dushenski: understood.

05:39:19 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank. << whoa

05:39:31 pete_dushenski: ;;google rotating prison 1800

05:39:32 gribble: Modern Prison History - Drtomoconnor.com: http://www.drtomoconnor.com/1050/1050lect01a.htm; The Rotating Prison in the Mountain - story cylinder allegory ...: http://ask.metafilter.com/78414/The-Rotating-Prison-in-the-Mountain; Greatest Mathematicians born between 1700 and 1800 A.D.: http://fabpedigree.com/james/grmatm4.htm

05:40:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26722 @ 0.00063946 = 17.0877 BTC [+]

05:54:20 pete_dushenski: til difference between pennsylvania prison system and auburn prison system

05:54:32 pete_dushenski: panopticon vs typical rows

06:08:46 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mkay. so in th forest there lived this very horny, huge schlong bear. sort of like one eye pete of the beardom. << with all the petes littering b-a these days, i don't even know if i'm the one who gets to blush at this

06:09:09 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Yen to strengthen against Dollar" http://bitbet.us/bet/975/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.5 BTC. Current weight: 68,774.

06:11:28 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: average impressions per day. << and here i was thinking that we were moving beyond that broken old quantification of clicks business

06:17:18 pete_dushenski: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-rolf-dobelli?CMP=twt_gu

06:17:18 assbot: News is bad for you and giving up reading it will make you happier | Media | The Guardian

06:17:52 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell princessnell please to note: "Online news has an even worse impact. In a 2001 study two scholars in Canada showed that comprehension declines as the number of hyperlinks in a document increases."

06:17:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:21:17 pete_dushenski: "So terrorism is over-rated. Chronic stress is under-rated. The collapse of Lehman Brothers is overrated. Fiscal irresponsibility is under-rated. Astronauts are over-rated. Nurses are under-rated. We are not rational enough to be exposed to the press."

06:22:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00063997 = 24.4789 BTC [+] {2}

07:06:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00063711 = 24.8473 BTC [-] {2}

07:27:33 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877050914009466

07:27:34 assbot: A Tiny RSA Cryptosystem based on Arduino Microcontroller Useful for Small Scale Networks

07:31:59 RagnarDanneskjol: http://grothoff.org/christian/gns2014wachs.pdf

07:32:49 RagnarDanneskjol: (A Censorship-Resistant, Privacy-Enhancing and Fully Decentralized Name System) - Gnu Name System

07:41:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 582 @ 0.00144989 = 0.8438 BTC [-]

07:56:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9346 @ 0.00063569 = 5.9412 BTC [-]

08:07:20 mircea_popescu: mthreat http://fraudsters.com/2014/ce-vi-chi/

08:10:29 mircea_popescu: !up mckmuze

08:16:25 fluffypony: that looks nom

08:16:37 fluffypony: I really hope Fat Fish has oysters today

08:16:46 fluffypony: I have a haircut at 12:30 and I feel like oysters for lunch

08:20:01 BingoBoingo: fluffypony You ever set up a mining pool before?

08:20:05 fluffypony: nope

08:20:24 fluffypony: just use NOMP, BingoBoingo

08:20:29 fluffypony: it's pretty easy to setup afaik

08:21:33 RagnarDanneskjol: not exactly that easy once you get into the weeds of it, but doable

08:21:53 RagnarDanneskjol: Bingo - you got my message re ixnay on the livechains, yes?

08:21:58 BingoBoingo: Yeah

08:22:28 BingoBoingo: ;;ident RagnarDanneskjol

08:22:29 RagnarDanneskjol: what is protocol for foot in mouth statements made in here - I can't neg rate cause he's not on WoT

08:22:29 gribble: Nick 'RagnarDanneskjol', with hostmask 'RagnarDanneskjol!~ragnardan@75-23-231-33.lightspeed.lgngca.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'RagnarDanneskjol', with GPG key id 35D2E1A0457E6498, key fingerprint B4AF6458D7D8A2846F91807935D2E1A0457E6498, and bitcoin address 14ixghmHMcB4szGL3ue5WJ1qnjnWnQXiP6

08:23:45 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: It depends

08:23:58 RagnarDanneskjol: what would you do in this case?

08:25:41 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Well since this inquiry was about getting a cheap pool and their sales pitch was for us to buy and ship them a metric fuckton of mining equiptment... Prolly just watch them until they collapse on their own

08:26:32 RagnarDanneskjol: kewl

08:26:33 BingoBoingo: Absolutely no information offered on pool pricing

08:27:23 RagnarDanneskjol: He did over the phone - again, I used him in the past, no probs, but everything that came up online looked bad

08:27:24 BingoBoingo: !up dogless

08:28:27 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/ce-vi-chi/

08:29:24 RagnarDanneskjol: also used this one before - kind of a neat model: https://nicehash.com/

08:29:24 assbot: NiceHash

08:29:40 dogless: hello. I am just crusing. through. I am driving. gotto go.

08:31:26 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Well, nicehash seems to just do hash rental

08:31:47 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea, right. still need the pool

08:34:01 BingoBoingo: Hash is cheap and easy, verifiably honest pools are harder

08:34:41 RagnarDanneskjol: I'm gonna try to give it another shot this weekend. Last time i wound up pulling my hair out, but issues were all related to unusually fast homebrewcoin i was using

08:35:05 RagnarDanneskjol: never tried to do a normal coin pool

08:36:25 BingoBoingo: %p

08:36:28 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.66 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 645.58 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.07 TH/s

08:36:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00063472 = 14.8524 BTC [-] {2}

08:37:11 BingoBoingo: Well X-Rob was talking about something. May just be the sort of situation where a person just has to get their hands dirty

08:37:37 X-Rob: BingoBoingo: wat

08:37:50 X-Rob: Oh right

08:38:05 BingoBoingo: X-Rob: A pool that can take hashpower more stably than that coinminer thing

08:38:10 X-Rob: Yeah. I'll set up a proper pool this weekend

08:38:19 BingoBoingo: Cool

08:40:35 BingoBoingo: Ideally similar uber transparent p2pool thing with a basic stats web page, just a lot like Coinminer but not shitty.

08:42:29 BingoBoingo: !up zitos

09:27:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.266586 = 6.6647 BTC [-] {5}

10:09:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.0217227 = 1.0861 BTC [-]

10:19:10 chetty: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html

10:19:10 assbot: Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing | Mail Online

10:19:23 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/#b138

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10:19:31 mircea_popescu: one of the larger bets.

10:19:44 mircea_popescu: chetty well, they not we.

10:26:43 chetty: well they aren't talking about old folks, the next generations

10:30:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.0217227 = 1.0861 BTC [-]

10:32:08 mircea_popescu: !up nonick

10:34:56 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

10:34:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 507.25, Best ask: 507.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.36000, Last trade: 507.25, 24 hour volume: 13490.89957086, 24 hour low: 502.25, 24 hour high: 530.0, 24 hour vwap: 517.350073897

10:51:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48450 @ 0.0006332 = 30.6785 BTC [-] {4}

11:06:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00062905 = 13.6504 BTC [-]

11:46:52 RagnarDanneskjol: http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/08/22/1927472/plus500-as-a-model-citizen/

12:01:33 mircea_popescu: !up jaycutler6969

12:11:44 chetty: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/swedish-doctors-cannot-explain-rise-in-hypospadias-penis-birth-defect-9684241.html

12:11:44 assbot: Swedish doctors cannot explain rise in hypospadias penis birth defect - Science - News - The Independent

12:26:34 pankkake: https://coinbase.com/legal/prohibited

12:26:34 assbot: Prohibited Businesses

12:28:08 RagnarDanneskjol: awesome

12:28:54 RagnarDanneskjol: #13 seems fairly broad, could be anyone

12:30:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22237 @ 0.00062821 = 13.9695 BTC [-]

12:31:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1246 @ 0.00062905 = 0.7838 BTC [+]

12:45:45 thestringpuller: pankkake: i've been using Coinbase to gamble on bitbet for a year now

12:46:04 thestringpuller: not directly but the coins that go into bitbet from me were acquired via coinbase ;)

12:54:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00063396 = 11.7283 BTC [+]

13:02:03 thestringpuller: http://sci.ph/#/contact ~_~ all start up pages are looking the same

13:02:04 assbot: Satoshi Citadel Industries

13:06:07 assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5

13:06:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2424 @ 0.00136358 = 3.3053 BTC [-] {7}

13:06:51 chetty: !up usagi

13:07:12 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot usagi

13:07:12 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012

13:07:16 thestringpuller: ;;ident

13:07:16 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

13:07:25 usagi: thx

13:07:41 usagi: Reversion to the mean... re: married women and rights, it's a deep and complex social issue

13:08:25 usagi: The taxation unit of days gone by was the family. When society finally collapses we will revert to that sort of structure and married women will lose all rights includign the right to vote

13:08:51 chetty: <usagi> Reversion to the mean... re: married women and rights, it's a deep and complex social issue/nah its easy, get rid of marriage, get the state out of it

13:09:07 usagi: They won't necessarily be worse off you know. I mean married women. Single women will probably still be able to pay taxes and vote

13:10:11 chetty: <usagi> They won't necessarily be worse off you know. I mean married women. Single women will probably still be able to pay taxes and vote// are those supposed to be 'rights'?

13:10:14 usagi: chetty; Womens rights as we know them today destroyed american society

13:10:58 chetty: usagi, no, this whole notion of rights, its not specific to women

13:11:34 pankkake: there's an interesting pattern though. Germany allows women to vote, Hitler gets elected

13:11:42 usagi: By creating competition in the workforce between men and women, the middle class family unit (what you might think of as the backbone of the american workforce) was deemed uneconomical. Now you have to have two working parents to survive

13:11:55 usagi: it really damaged the family unit and the moral fiber of america

13:12:11 usagi: Career women don't raise kids, so you see a much lower birthrate.

13:12:14 usagi: Look what happened in Japan.

13:12:27 pankkake: but the cause isn't women's rights, the cause is taxes

13:13:00 usagi: That's also why you are seeing lower wages. People don't NEED as much money to live anymore, since there are many more single people

13:14:25 usagi: And then you have the issue of maternity leave

13:14:40 usagi: Women who stop working because they're having children don't usually go back to work

13:14:52 usagi: another massive waste of time and resources

13:15:17 usagi: Where I work every year someone quits because they're having a child, and they never come back

13:15:47 chetty: before the 60s a woman couldnt even have her own credit, married or not

13:16:02 xmj: fun fact

13:16:35 usagi: Meh that's bs.. there's a lot of bs floating around about womens rightgs

13:16:53 xmj: the last canton in switzerland was forced to introduce unversal suffrage/female voting rights in 1990.

13:16:56 xmj: ^ Appenzell

13:17:11 xmj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Switzerland

13:17:12 assbot: Women's suffrage in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

13:17:28 usagi: A bank would normally refuse a woman a credit card for example, because it was so unlikely for her to be able to pay it back

13:17:35 chetty: usagi, not bs, I lived it

13:17:42 usagi: If she could prove income she certainly would not need her working husband to cosign

13:17:54 pankkake: http://youtu.be/-uPcthZL2RE

13:17:54 assbot: Ending Women's Suffrage - YouTube

13:18:00 chetty: yes she did, and if not husband then father

13:18:40 xmj: pankkake: please let's go beyond women's suffrage and end democracy.

13:18:42 usagi: So when Fanny Hopkins was the bank manager of London & County Bank

13:18:50 usagi: in 1859.. for like 40 years

13:19:02 usagi: women couldn't get credit?

13:19:34 usagi: Dunno, I'm sure there was prejudice, but as they say, capital has a will of it's own, banks wouldn't refuse someone who had stable income

13:19:57 xmj: well

13:20:47 chetty: maybe UK was different, was certainly true in US

13:21:37 chetty: if husband passed early wife and children left behind could collect SS, if wife died early it was gone

13:22:24 chetty: there were a lot of inequities, but I still hate femnazi as practiced today

13:23:10 usagi: Credit card companies are private corporations. Why would they refuse to issue an unmarried woman a credit card?

13:23:36 usagi: If I can sell eggs to a woman, take her money to cut her hair, take her bank deposit, why wouldn't I want to loan her money?

13:23:37 chetty: maybe that was before they got so greedy

13:24:44 usagi: I've been taking a look at a few internet lists of things women couldn't do in year x, y or z.. there is a lot of bs

13:25:00 usagi: One list says women couldn't study at institutions like harvard and yale until the 70s

13:25:15 usagi: But yale had been admitting women students as early as 1892 even into graduate programs

13:25:36 chetty: rewriting history is a popular occupation these days

13:25:46 chetty: muddy the waters nicely

13:25:50 usagi: In 1783 they had a female president.

13:26:09 usagi: That's a little too convenient, comaining that history has been rewritten

13:26:13 usagi: claiming*

13:26:36 usagi: Although I am sure it has happened before

13:26:37 chetty: no, I mean the list you are reading is the thing rewriten

13:27:19 chetty: much like blacks get left out of the american revolution ...

13:27:45 usagi: The other factor is that humans have a very long written history.

13:27:58 chetty: this history of all this stuff is still there, it just gets left out of the 'common' versions

13:28:09 usagi: Perhaps those in charge of the issuance of credit simply knew ahead of time what would happen once they started giving married women credit cards?

13:28:37 chetty: I repeat, it was not just married, it was female, period

13:28:51 usagi: There's too much evidence that wasn't the case

13:29:46 usagi: I have a pretty good feeling that the general case of women being denied is because they would present a credit risk

13:29:47 chetty: well all your evidence didnt let my mother buy a house, her fathers signature did

13:29:58 usagi: When asked how they planned to repay their loan, what do you think they would have said?

13:30:04 usagi: Not havign a job or an education or a husband?

13:30:12 usagi: Who in their right minds would have issued them credit?

13:30:20 chetty: my mother was a judge

13:30:25 usagi: Case in point :)

13:30:50 usagi: Women had it pretty good back then. IMO of course.

13:31:02 usagi: She probably made more than most working men

13:31:41 RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch

13:31:49 usagi: A lot of this is really beside the point. We're ignoring the fact that women could have incorporated a company with a willing lawyer

13:31:54 usagi: Even with a female lawyer

13:32:03 usagi: And they could have done anything they wanted in the name of their corporation.

13:32:17 usagi: But this would require some amount of money (which it is obvious the women being denied credit -- for example -- did not have)

13:32:36 chetty: yup thats why I say the whole rights thing is stupid, and femnazi even more so

13:32:41 usagi: The fact that this is never mentioned nor explored is more a testament to the reason why women generally didn't have any rights in the first place than anything else

13:32:57 usagi: I sort of agree, but I am not sure I would want to go back to society the way it was 100 years ago either

13:33:15 usagi: Women having the right to go on the pill and become self employed, ahem, is a great thing. Really.

13:33:26 usagi: I say let em do whatever they want

13:34:07 chetty: no let involved ...

13:37:02 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/okcoin-reveals-btc-reserves-104-chinas-exchanges-undergo-audits/

13:37:03 assbot: OKCoin Reveals 104% BTC Reserves as China's Exchanges Undergo Audits

13:38:14 chetty: !up usagi

13:38:36 usagi: thanks but the kids are home, bbl

13:43:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24282 @ 0.00063514 = 15.4225 BTC [+]

13:49:18 usagi: "Proof-of-reserves for digital currency exchanges has been a sensitive issue in the community since the collapse of Mt Gox in February."

13:49:49 xmj: lol

13:49:57 xmj: IOW everyone does fractional reserve.

13:50:16 usagi: Apparently not OKCoin

13:50:42 usagi: A popular exchange makes so much money I have no idea why they would go fractoinal reserve, it just adds risk

13:51:07 usagi: Its the one thing I never really understood about mtgox.. they were making hundreds of million a year

13:51:22 usagi: And they still managed to screw it up.. unbelievable

13:51:53 usagi: You would think they could just pay it out of profits, at least that

13:55:10 mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2014#804749

13:55:10 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

13:55:22 mike_c: +1, i was surprised to see the addition.

13:55:49 mike_c: and as an aside, it is embarrassing for this channel that tweets are scraped and repeated from links but not references to the log!

13:57:20 mike_c: i guess the way to do it would be to use query parameters instead of hash tags..

13:58:59 mike_c: oh, or assbot could just recognize the link to log and use the hashtag.

13:59:38 usagi: Only a matter of time before someone applied the lessons of HFT to bitcoin.

14:07:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28522 @ 0.00063477 = 18.1049 BTC [-] {2}

14:07:14 kakobrekla: https://w2.eff.org/Net_culture/Folklore/Humor/mouse_balls_ibm.memo

14:10:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 397 @ 0.00135104 = 0.5364 BTC [-] {6}

14:13:00 thestringpuller: mike_c: what addition?

14:13:29 thestringpuller: oh for van-ads

14:13:36 thestringpuller: ;;ident

14:13:37 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

14:14:08 thestringpuller: how are tweets not referenced in the log?

14:14:13 thestringpuller: assbot announces them when linked...

14:14:17 thestringpuller: am I missing something?

14:20:53 pankkake: https://w2.eff.org/Net_culture/Folklore/Humor/hacker_barbie.announce

14:30:08 mike_c: thestringpuller: yeah, i was complaining that the actual tweet is mentioned in channel, but the actual log line is not.

14:30:23 mike_c: complaining about free tools is classy.

14:30:37 kakobrekla: oh you are complaining about that?

14:30:43 mike_c: i was, yes.

14:30:49 kakobrekla: ben_vulpes did that already.

14:30:51 kakobrekla: didnt work.

14:32:07 mike_c: yes, i remember. hm. i am now envisioning a page that lists desired features with a tip jar and people can pay for shit they want done.

14:32:21 mike_c: probably wouldn't work.

14:33:09 kakobrekla: imma fix it nao

14:40:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00063515 = 8.0664 BTC [+]

14:40:48 pankkake: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/22/1311210/nsa-agents-leak-tor-bugs-to-developers

14:40:48 assbot: NSA Agents Leak Tor Bugs To Developers - Slashdot

14:43:03 xmj: anyone know which IRC network Ramez Naan idles on?

14:43:05 xmj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramez_Naam

14:43:06 assbot: Ramez Naam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

14:47:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00063393 = 6.0223 BTC [-]

14:58:39 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2014#804960

14:58:40 assbot: Logged on 22-08-2014 14:32:21; mike_c: probably wouldn't work.

14:58:59 mike_c: nice!

15:05:54 thestringpuller: http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/ << I don't even know how to interpet this.

15:05:55 assbot: thezoepost

15:06:09 []bot: Bet placed: 1.99981424 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 79(Y):21(N) by coin, 79(Y):21(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.48701626 BTC. Current weight: 94,953.

15:14:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12695 @ 0.00063732 = 8.0908 BTC [+] {2}

15:16:05 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski gotta play the game to win.

15:16:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:19:19 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla, mike_c: "complaining" << look who's rewriting history nao

15:21:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/btcusd-mega-bear-outlook/

15:21:24 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spondoolies-sp31/

15:25:55 punkman: thestringpuller: wait, people are lining up to fuck this thing? http://www.massdigi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DSC_0585-001.jpg

15:32:11 mike_c: ThickAsThieves: 266? crazy talk.

15:32:24 mike_c: you still short?

15:35:45 kakobrekla: not still, again!

15:37:21 jurov: ;;ticker

15:37:22 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 518.65, Best ask: 519.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.34000, Last trade: 520.0, 24 hour volume: 15220.06221684, 24 hour low: 500.01, 24 hour high: 530.0, 24 hour vwap: 515.638702827

15:40:34 kakobrekla: !up ThickAsThieves

15:41:33 ThickAsThieves: kako has it, short again

15:41:55 mike_c: idk, i don't like those tea leaves. but if you believe it you should get some odds. http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/

15:41:55 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October :: 1.12 B (24%) on Yes, 3.59 B (76%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 days | weight: 95`935 (100`000 to 1)

15:42:36 mike_c: you drop a pile of btc on that and you will get action.

15:42:42 ThickAsThieves: i'm watching it all very closely

15:42:49 ThickAsThieves: maybe i will

15:43:04 mike_c: this could be your revenge for the dec. diff bet :)

15:43:11 mike_c: clean out bitbettors!

15:43:18 ThickAsThieves: or me not learning my lesson

15:43:41 mike_c: it's not gambling it's investing.

15:43:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00063726 = 12.8727 BTC [-]

15:43:55 ThickAsThieves: it's both

15:44:09 ThickAsThieves: it's neither

15:45:57 ThickAsThieves: mpoe is already trading like it's the 266 days

15:46:17 mike_c: !t m s.mpoe

15:46:18 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062821 / 0.00063759 / 0.00064542 (782213 shares, 498.74 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.0006955 / 0.0007468 (5196015 shares, 3,613.87 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.0007827 / 0.00094217 (17785587 shares, 13,920.91 BTC)

15:48:26 mike_c: even lower. last time mpoe was this low btc was 80

15:49:43 ThickAsThieves: it was due for correction

15:49:51 ThickAsThieves: i like swol's chart, lol

15:51:02 mike_c: market is uncertain about swol. which seems appropriate to me.

15:53:36 ThickAsThieves: i'm long on it :)

15:54:24 Duffer1: swol?

15:54:37 mike_c: http://btc.waroflife.com

15:54:38 assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!

15:54:39 Duffer1: oh war of life

15:54:51 mike_c: glad i got my plug in before you realized :)

16:00:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58080095 BTC to 14`991 shares, 10545 satoshi per share

16:01:04 thestringpuller: LOL @ punkman wow just wow just wow

16:01:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 10.90188624 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 948 satoshi per share

16:09:13 ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/shit_rbtc_says

16:09:14 assbot: Shit /r/Bitcoin says (shit_rbtc_says) auf Twitter

16:09:16 BingoBoingo: Wait, so http://devilsadvocate.biz/btcusd-mega-bear-outlook/ is actually going to be a catalyst for $700+ ?

16:09:18 assbot: BTCUSD: Mega Bear Outlook

16:09:53 ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo I haven't really worked on charting that high much, it's just one possibility

16:10:11 ThickAsThieves: of which there is infinite supply of course

16:10:52 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well, I was referring to your last prediction, but... I've blogged wrond bitbet predictions...

16:11:20 ThickAsThieves: yeah, i do think it would easily go to 700 after 300

16:12:32 ThickAsThieves: the market is mostly led by china and margin traders

16:12:39 ThickAsThieves: which means price can snap hard

16:12:45 ThickAsThieves: and be manipulated

16:42:21 jurov: ;;bc,stats

16:42:23 gribble: Current Blocks: 316982 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1545 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 43 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26963406238.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.07939

16:53:23 ThickAsThieves: amazing

16:53:23 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:00:59 jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9/100/1e8

17:00:59 gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)

17:01:12 jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9/100e8

17:01:12 gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)

17:01:15 jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9

17:01:16 gribble: 3.90414823321e+13

17:01:40 jurov: ;;calc 3.90414823321e+13/100e8

17:01:40 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

17:01:45 jurov: ;;calc 3.90414823321e13/100e8

17:01:45 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

17:03:35 jurov: ;;calc 2.38446700388033E10/13462580114525

17:03:35 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

17:05:23 thestringpuller: poor jurov

17:05:31 thestringpuller: you gotta multiply dem numbers out

17:05:55 jurov: mircea wrote it was 13`462`580`114`525.3 at JUN settlement

17:06:04 jurov: which is more than 2.38446700388033E10

17:07:38 jurov: apparently mircea moved the decimal dot

17:07:46 thestringpuller: interesting

17:07:52 jurov: http://fraudsters.com/2014/xidiffjun-has-settled-2/

17:07:53 assbot: X.IDIFF.JUN has settled. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:07:53 thestringpuller: accounting error?

17:09:50 jurov: anyway, 2.38446700388033E10/13462580114.525 - difference between JUN and now is 1.77

17:10:11 jurov: so x.idiff.sep should be covered

17:12:26 jurov: thestringpuller: how am i supposed to multiply what?

17:13:51 thestringpuller: gotcaha

17:13:51 thestringpuller: sorry

17:14:00 thestringpuller: you can't use sceintific notation with gribble

17:14:08 thestringpuller: you have to do 3.9090532 * 10 ^ 4;

17:14:15 thestringpuller: ;;calc 3.14 * 10 ^ 5

17:14:15 gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

17:14:20 thestringpuller: ;;calc 3.14 * 10^5

17:14:20 gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

17:14:24 thestringpuller: ;;calc 3.14 * 10**5

17:14:24 gribble: 314000

17:14:27 thestringpuller: year you go

17:14:28 thestringpuller: sorruy

17:17:15 jurov: what's this, php?

17:18:04 asciilifeform: ;;rate foofingers 1 human, meatspace colleague.

17:18:05 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user foofingers has been recorded.

17:20:00 thestringpuller: jurov: MPEx uses plenty of php...

17:20:31 jurov: lol that's excuse now?

17:21:19 thestringpuller: no!

17:21:21 thestringpuller: i just saying!

17:21:28 thestringpuller: oh jurov you are cool

17:22:05 jurov: iirc there was a bug in homebrew float parser in php

17:22:12 jurov: that caused ddos

17:22:23 thestringpuller: oh wow

17:22:25 jurov: so i got an idea like gribble is patched against it

17:22:26 The20YearIRCloud: for mpex?

17:22:36 jurov: no, in std phph 5

17:30:31 foofingers: Hi people. My is Daniel Marcus. I work together with asciilifeform. And I'm here to do some business with bitcoins. Thank you for having me!

17:30:58 jurov: Hi foofingers. What business?

17:32:10 foofingers: lets say... my ass and vaseline for bitcoins

17:32:16 foofingers: lol

17:33:13 jurov: what, mircea put another buttcoinlike challenge?

18:01:15 thestringpuller: !s nubbins` format

18:01:16 assbot: 24 results for 'nubbins` format' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nubbins%60+format

18:01:23 thestringpuller: !s nubbins` psd

18:01:24 assbot: 2 results for 'nubbins` psd' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nubbins%60+psd

18:02:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00063752 = 8.8297 BTC [+]

18:23:05 punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751743.0

18:23:05 assbot: Bitstamp: No withdrawals for Bitcoin related companies

18:24:30 punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750269.0

18:24:30 assbot: depositing to bitstamp would be faster with a donkey

18:31:47 thestringpuller: Bitstamp is goxxing itself?

18:31:57 thestringpuller: Woe is me.

18:34:27 BingoBoingo: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao

18:34:28 gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/; what is in the mind of r/buttcoin? - Bitcoin Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=727776.0; PREV: 03-08-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2014

18:34:59 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell foofingers, like http://fraudsters.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/

18:35:00 assbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:35:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:36:46 pankkake: I fear you left a note to someone named "foofingers,"

18:37:20 BingoBoingo: Why did I spell it wrong?

18:45:47 pankkake: the ,

18:47:12 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell foofingers like http://fraudsters.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/

18:47:13 assbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:47:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:00:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.87696688 BTC to 29`438 shares, 6376 satoshi per share

19:00:25 BingoBoingo: !up gernika

19:03:07 gernika: Thanks BingoBoingo. I'm just here to watch and learn for now :)

19:03:13 BingoBoingo: k

19:05:20 chetty: we seem to be getting a lot of watchers lately :)

19:06:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24689 @ 0.00063776 = 15.7457 BTC [+] {2}

19:06:17 BingoBoingo: Yeah we do. WOnder what's up?

19:06:59 mike_c: ~175 non-voiced. now i'm self conscious.

19:07:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00063851 = 15.5158 BTC [+] {3}

19:08:25 fluffypony: lol

19:11:45 gernika: #bitcoin-assets is an oasis in a desert of bitcoin idiocy.

19:13:21 punkman: gernika, not just bitcoin

19:13:29 gernika: true

19:13:46 mike_c: also useful if you need to build a satellite that will stay in orbit.

19:13:56 punkman: mike_c: heh

19:14:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/hashmine-bitcoin-mining-pool/

19:18:54 chetty: <gernika> #bitcoin-assets is an oasis in a desert of bitcoin idiocy.// oasis in a world of insanity

19:19:34 punkman: world of malpidity

19:45:40 ben_vulpes: what's on the -assets reading list right now?

19:45:55 ben_vulpes: i'm working through the berkshire hathaway letters and "fooled by randomness"

19:47:18 ben_vulpes: i want something on the fall of rome written ~1800 or earlier

19:47:45 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: fooled by randomness, being the first, was also the least developed of taleb's trilogy

19:47:56 chetty: lol, I was just thinking when you asked about reading that it was time for Rome

19:48:02 pete_dushenski: and for the rome bit, there's no other than edward gibbons' decline and fall of the roman empire

19:48:35 pete_dushenski: http://www.amazon.com/Decline-Roman-Empire-Everymans-Library/dp/0307700763/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1408736897&sr=8-1&keywords=everyman+decline+and+fall << i just picked this up a few weeks ago

19:48:37 assbot: Amazon.com: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. 1-6 (Everyman's Library) (9780307700766): Edward Gibbon: Books

19:49:00 chetty: although, something on the ottoman empire might be wise atm

19:49:07 pete_dushenski: a! gibbon, not gibbons

19:49:38 ben_vulpes: ooh ooh pete_dushenski what was the book you recently mentioned on zhghghzgzhggis kahn?

19:50:01 pete_dushenski: different one altgother

19:50:46 pete_dushenski: http://www.amazon.com/Genghis-Khan-Making-Modern-World/dp/0609809644/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1408737025&sr=8-1&keywords=genghis+khan+modern+world << this was the chingis one

19:50:49 assbot: Amazon.com: Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World (9780609809648): Jack Weatherford: Books

19:51:24 pete_dushenski: newer style, still interesting

19:51:39 pete_dushenski: as was dan carlin's hardcore history series on the khans

19:51:57 pete_dushenski: http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/hharchive/kw:Khan/

19:51:58 assbot: Dan Carlin - Podcasts, Merchandise, Blog, and Community Website

19:55:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00063703 = 19.8435 BTC [-] {3}

19:56:41 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: do you have any rec's on the ottoman empire?

19:57:12 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: can't say i do...

19:57:47 pete_dushenski: though i'm in the midst of herotodus' the histories and i'd highly recommend it :)

19:58:04 ben_vulpes: hm cromer has a book called "political and literary essays"

19:58:16 ben_vulpes: i enjoyed his stories of running egypt, so i think i'll pull that into the queue.

19:59:40 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ottoman empire << 'the sultans' (n. barber)

20:00:31 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: one of the most riotously fun works by any modern historian on any subject.

20:01:23 ben_vulpes: oh shit asciilifeform your name alone reminds of of "the art of not being governed"

20:01:29 ben_vulpes: and thank you!

20:02:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you liked TAOFBG, read the author's (j. c. scott) other works. they all fit the theme.

20:02:25 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: *TAOFNBG, lol

20:02:49 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: *TAONBG.

20:03:32 ben_vulpes: well, i've yet to read the thing, but thanks for the add'l recs.

20:04:43 ben_vulpes: amusingly, hardcover copies of the sultans are avail for $0.01, but not digitized.

20:05:21 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: you don't want digitized anyways ;)

20:06:27 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: and why not?

20:06:51 pete_dushenski: 1. you won't remember it as well

20:06:56 pete_dushenski: 2. harder on your eyes

20:07:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 3000 @ 0.000609 = 1.827 BTC [-] {3}

20:07:26 pete_dushenski: the only "digital" books i read are audiobooks

20:07:54 ben_vulpes: i use an e-reader for actual "reading".

20:08:15 ben_vulpes: i refuse to even use the backlit models.

20:09:00 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: which herodotus translation are you reading?

20:11:13 pete_dushenski: george rawlinson

20:11:52 pete_dushenski: as well as the "blackstone audiobook anonymously translated" edition

20:14:41 ben_vulpes: > rawlinson

20:14:43 ben_vulpes: > 1859

20:14:47 ben_vulpes: > perfect

20:15:05 pete_dushenski: mhm

20:15:43 ben_vulpes: lovely, pete_dushenski, many thanks.

20:16:15 ThickAsThieves: i've taken to audio "reading" lately too

20:16:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 57 @ 0.00933663 = 0.5322 BTC [-] {13}

20:16:32 ThickAsThieves: that way i can get off my ass and walk around the neighborhood

20:17:06 pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: exactly!

20:17:17 ben_vulpes: what, you guys can't read and walk at the same time?

20:17:19 ThickAsThieves: it amazes me how some of the voice actors really make you believe they wrote it

20:17:28 pete_dushenski: go for a bike ride, run, walk, anything other than restlessly sit on two buttcheeks

20:17:52 ThickAsThieves: i'm listening to Snow Crash currently, after getting burnt out on Taleb telling everything what it's problem is

20:17:55 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i guess there's treadmills

20:17:56 ben_vulpes: the way i bike precludes ear anythings.

20:18:03 ThickAsThieves: its*

20:18:32 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: o you bike too hard to learn?

20:18:47 ben_vulpes: no, i ride in traffic and need very good situational awareness.

20:19:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01042979 = 0.5215 BTC [-] {4}

20:19:38 mike_c: v1 of a bet calculator. hopefully it's slightly less complicated than the actual game. https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/27/#bet_calculator

20:19:39 assbot: Game 27 - Death 3954 Life 6046 Year 480 - War of Life

20:20:03 pete_dushenski: until the day i get hit by a car and my jewfro helmet cracks, traffic won't stop me from wizzing by at 40kph while i get my history on

20:20:26 pete_dushenski: they see me, they don't want to hit me, easy as that

20:20:58 pete_dushenski: act like you own the road and its yours for the taking

20:21:18 ben_vulpes: canadian drivers are even more passive than portland drivers.

20:21:43 ben_vulpes: these habits were formed in ny, fwiw.

20:22:09 ben_vulpes: "bike as though you've a million dollar bounty on your head and a neon jersey proclaiming such", as the aforementioned stephenson wrote somewhere sometime

20:22:11 punkman: pete_dushenski: sounds like a death wish

20:22:52 pete_dushenski: punkman: my friends and family would agree

20:23:18 pete_dushenski: it comes down to risk tolerance and not having been (yet) bitten by fate

20:26:16 punkman: on the other hand, I'm pretty used to cars wizzing by at a few inches distance

20:26:29 pete_dushenski: !up bats_cd03

20:26:48 bats_cd03: just wanted to share a message to ISIS http://i.imgur.com/eFU2YKi.png

20:27:07 bats_cd03: i know mircea_popescu would approve, somehow

20:27:23 pete_dushenski: lolk

20:28:43 bats_cd03: ben_vulpes: hows vanads coming along?

20:29:23 bats_cd03: http://features.slashdot.org/story/14/08/21/0334254/interviews-andrew-bunnie-huang-answers-your-questions re: open software v hardware

20:29:24 assbot: Interviews: Andrew "bunnie" Huang Answers Your Questions - Slashdot

20:43:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00063937 = 9.4627 BTC [+]

20:59:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00063937 = 6.7134 BTC [+]

21:06:54 ben_vulpes: bats_cd03: pretty well

21:12:34 BingoBoingo: %p

21:12:36 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 646.34 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.49 TH/s

21:19:42 BingoBoingo: %p

21:19:43 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.23 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 629.93 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.73 TH/s

21:19:51 BingoBoingo: ^OMG all this Hash

21:22:21 Apocalyptic: dat iSpace pool

21:23:27 BingoBoingo: %p

21:23:28 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.69 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 705.52 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.86 TH/s

21:28:44 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

21:28:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 518.93, vol: 16696.69408067 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 512.532, vol: 4955.29276 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 516.85, vol: 12643.95610087 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 525.18, vol: 14.19643528 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 515.30379, vol: 32783.35370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 529.95385, vol: 9.62058564 | Volume-weighted last average: 516.296919007

21:29:44 pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats

21:29:46 gribble: Current Blocks: 317014 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1513 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26939001289.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.97704

21:30:06 pete_dushenski: it'll be another 20% change yet.

21:30:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00063948 = 17.6816 BTC [+] {2}

21:33:21 ThickAsThieves: insane

21:33:48 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

21:33:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.6, Best ask: 518.94, Bid-ask spread: 2.34000, Last trade: 518.98, 24 hour volume: 16674.48447915, 24 hour low: 500.01, 24 hour high: 528.0, 24 hour vwap: 515.219441522

21:39:30 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/canadian-television-journalist-arrested-under-order-of-capt-johnson/article_55b5825d-85d0-5265-bc62-5576cfcf1899.html << Ferguson may not be as calm as they the news would have us inclined to believe this week

21:39:32 assbot: Canadian television journalist arrested under order of Capt. Johnson : News

21:40:53 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: he shoulda been more polite ;/

21:41:41 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Who knows

21:42:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00063863 = 14.1457 BTC [-]

21:45:01 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes have you seen john wayne as zjchinghis? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHt0Pb8rkXU

21:45:01 assbot: The Conqueror original theatrical trailer - YouTube

21:45:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:47:05 BingoBoingo: ;;calc 15975 / 11790

21:47:05 gribble: 1.35496183206

21:47:16 BingoBoingo: ^average BitBet Bet

21:53:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 412 @ 0.00138899 = 0.5723 BTC [+]

21:59:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 919 @ 0.00063863 = 0.5869 BTC [-]

22:37:04 ben_vulpes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/apm-marketplace-radio/id447476522?mt=8 << up and to the right!

22:37:05 assbot: APM: Marketplace Radio on the App Store on iTunes

22:39:17 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: One of yours?

22:39:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00063738 = 2.9957 BTC [-]

22:41:24 ben_vulpes: no sir.

23:01:37 kakobrekla: anyone seen anything liek this before http://shrani.si/f/47/UL/3m3knoYx/imag1961.jpg

23:05:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2011 @ 0.00063738 = 1.2818 BTC [-]

23:06:06 mircea_popescu: yes kako, it's a cunt.

23:06:12 mircea_popescu: that's what the girls have between their legs.

23:06:17 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3P3V1WT.txt )

23:06:17 mircea_popescu: !b 3

23:06:49 mircea_popescu: !up m4rCsi

23:34:35 kakobrekla: i thought its a weirdly broken printer fucker

23:57:02 BingoBoingo: %t

23:57:03 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 170 VWAP: 170