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00:10:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22856 @ 0.00075148 = 17.1758 BTC [+] {4}

00:13:29 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes`: didn't catch you

00:33:30 cazalla: mircea_popescu, nothing to report, i am going to get back to it though

00:39:16 *: kakobrekla has something to report

00:39:36 *: kakobrekla has burnt his finger. ouch.

00:42:25 mircea_popescu: cazalla sorry to hear about your finger.

00:44:05 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is a real human being and a real hero

00:44:12 thestringpuller: *curb stomp curb stomp*

00:47:31 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--nxZ3jTvh--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/cukoflrofvfssefec65t.gif

00:47:52 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--52962qVq--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/cveapjpqekxtywto4xpf.gif

00:48:43 mats_cd03: ;;later tell kakobrekla can we get a multiline up? e.g. 18:30:48 <+nubbins`> !up gilgameshugga mius pactr mike_c

00:48:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:48:58 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 bad idea srsly.

00:49:12 mats_cd03: :(

00:49:17 BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4 Good Boy!

00:54:48 dub: its hard being so awesome

00:55:15 dub: not just my cock the actual doing of it

00:56:09 BingoBoingo: !mpif

00:56:10 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00020614 BTC [-]

00:59:35 mircea_popescu: dub whatdja do

01:02:00 dub: saved the world again

01:02:23 mats_cd03: was your dong involved in the saving of the world?

01:04:23 dub: not that kind of all nighter

01:07:01 mircea_popescu: be specific. use examples.

01:07:24 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/gai-luron/

01:10:26 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/513853431531192320

01:10:27 assbot: /VictimBlamerMRA Join /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets. http://t.co/FLlihq0OIh

01:11:09 dub: the usual rolling, controlling, hating and operating

01:11:38 dub: holding a whole countries shit down while motherfuckers slipped

01:12:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.0007517 = 6.8029 BTC [+]

01:14:20 mircea_popescu: lol

01:21:53 mircea_popescu: !up nezZario

01:21:57 mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4

01:22:18 BlueMeanie4: you should !up me after I see what the subject matter is

01:22:41 BlueMeanie4: anyway interesting article http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/homeless-hacker-commander-x-quits-anonymous-retreats-to-robot-lab/

01:22:42 assbot: “Homeless hacker” Commander X quits Anonymous, retreats to robot lab | Ars Technica

01:22:57 BlueMeanie4: just goes to show how pathetic some of these anonymous voices actually are in real life

01:25:18 mircea_popescu: i dun get it.

01:25:40 mircea_popescu: how the fuck is one going to "quit" anonymous. not like you can join it.

01:26:35 BlueMeanie4: just sort of conjured up some of my recent experiences with NXT ppl

01:27:03 BlueMeanie4: all these ppl hiding behind anonymity- you really no idea who youre talking to

01:27:14 BlueMeanie4: you could be working on a software project with a serial killer for all you know

01:28:14 mircea_popescu: for all you know, you could be the son of a closeted gay man.

01:28:30 mircea_popescu: since when do you care what they do ?

01:29:57 BlueMeanie4: you obviously dont follow my twitter

01:31:12 mats_cd03: wat

01:31:46 mircea_popescu: i don't follow any twitter.

01:31:55 mats_cd03: well played if joking.

01:32:06 mircea_popescu: actually... im not so sure anyone follows twitter. it's mostly for speaking, that thing.

01:32:33 mats_cd03: there are many young people in america that 'follow twitter'

01:32:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the story here, derp couldn't get a secure cpanel environment in 3 tries ?

01:32:52 mats_cd03: so they can see whatever 140 char blather their favorite personality has to say

01:33:03 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 yeah well, i meant actual people, not anon mass.

01:33:25 mircea_popescu: as far as that goss, they follow the nature channel and advertising for chrissakes.

01:36:27 BlueMeanie4: recently Jeff Garzik pointed out that their distributed object code doesnt match their source code

01:36:45 BlueMeanie4: and then started getting hacked + threats a few days later

01:36:50 BlueMeanie4: these guys are real class act

01:37:13 mircea_popescu: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/12/Anonymous-Unmasked-Meet-Christopher-Doyon-aka-Commander-X

01:37:14 assbot: Anonymous Unmasked: Meet Christopher Doyon aka Commander X

01:37:15 mircea_popescu: teh story.

01:37:44 mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 and you link this to doyon somehow ?

01:38:10 mircea_popescu: what's next, the ridiculously impotent attempt of teh usg best and brightest on freenode too ?

01:38:23 mircea_popescu: here's a lol : i've still not changed my nickserv pw. har har.

01:39:35 BlueMeanie4: no not suggesting these two groups of sociopaths are related

01:43:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00075164 = 9.3955 BTC [-] {2}

01:48:35 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/janl/status/513714191665233920

01:48:36 assbot: base64_encode($credit_card_number); http://t.co/ETRrmn0RYM

01:50:03 mats_cd03: $conference

01:50:04 empyex: mats_cd03: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.31175674 BTC (Details: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )

01:54:06 mircea_popescu: wow over 3 huh.

01:54:07 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

01:54:08 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 397.62, Best ask: 399.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 397.57, 24 hour volume: 13438.06221814, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 412.59, 24 hour vwap: 401.774501965

01:54:43 dub: mp linking teaparty blawgs

01:54:52 dub: wat nek

01:56:08 mircea_popescu: the future is infinite!

02:29:37 Duffer1: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/texas-man-must-pay-40-4m-for-running-bitcoin-based-scam-court-rules/

02:29:37 assbot: Texas man must pay $40.4M for running Bitcoin-based scam | Ars Technica

02:30:38 mats_cd03: weak

02:31:10 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 was here yest

02:31:56 Duffer1: i'm online so much it's always surprising when i find two day old news

02:33:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.0007499 = 15.1855 BTC [-] {2}

02:46:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00075128 = 16.3403 BTC [+] {2}

03:09:24 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

03:09:29 gribble: Current Blocks: 321949 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 610 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 4 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35128209834.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.7624

03:14:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/sexing-in-the-us/

03:27:45 mod6: %d

03:27:47 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 296014.01 in 942 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.24

03:27:54 mod6: %p

03:28:00 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 124.61 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.05 TH/s

03:31:27 BingoBoingo: %tslb

03:31:28 atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#45426): 3 hour(s), 35 minutes

03:36:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00075231 = 2.5202 BTC [+]

04:06:25 thestringpuller: dude

04:06:28 thestringpuller: the actual fuck

04:06:34 thestringpuller: can we get some hp pointed to atc?

04:08:20 thestringpuller: %nethash

04:21:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some sort of consistent treatment of focus << 'ratpoison' has 'polite mode' and 'rude mode' (window can open, on current display, or cannot.) i've them set to single key toggle.

04:33:40 asciilifeform: switching caps lock and ctrl << 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na

04:33:41 assbot: 404 Not Found

04:33:41 asciilifeform: ggum/articles/3244633165773164@naggum.no.html)

04:34:22 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how os x << better question, -why' os x

04:38:48 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts

04:41:55 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do we really need to rehash the best mobile compute hardware discussion?

04:42:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha that was why.

04:42:08 ben_vulpes: i'm apparently even more of a pauper than yourself, and must maintain mobile work stations.

04:43:16 BingoBoingo: What? A pushcart isn't mobile enough?

04:43:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i recently ended up in a similar situation (some work in a godforsaken bare walls site) and looked at laptops, finding nothing even vaguely worth owning

04:43:22 nubbins`: my 2008 macbook is still going strong

04:43:28 nubbins`: in fact, i *just* ordered 8gb of ram for it

04:43:37 nubbins`: should be a bit zippier than the current 2

04:43:56 *: ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6, plus tp, plus pt, plus soap in restrooms, plus ping-pong table

04:43:58 *: asciilifeform has 'mac air' circa '09, when absolutely must work in the jungles

04:44:13 *: asciilifeform envies ben_vulpes

04:44:20 asciilifeform: 575 buys... a doghouse here.

04:44:22 asciilifeform: for a small dog.

04:44:32 ben_vulpes: it's just a bay in a warehouse.

04:44:38 nubbins`: 575 buys you a room on the second floor of my house for one month

04:44:41 asciilifeform: what's a pt ?

04:44:46 ben_vulpes: paper towels

04:44:48 asciilifeform: aha

04:44:51 ben_vulpes: toilet paper, paper towels

04:44:53 *: asciilifeform assumed 'pay toilet'

04:44:55 ben_vulpes: there's a nice symmetry

04:45:03 ben_vulpes: oh lord if the slumlord were even so competent

04:45:03 nubbins`: toilet pluger, pay toilet

04:45:06 asciilifeform: or 'piss tank'

04:45:27 ben_vulpes: access to piss tank(s) comes with rent

04:45:43 ben_vulpes: slumlord must be browbeaten into providing and maintaining supplies though

04:45:57 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the machine shop ?

04:46:07 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't derp on atoms any more.

04:46:17 asciilifeform: aaha.

04:46:27 ben_vulpes: but it has 3-phase and concrete floors should any want to derp thusly.

04:47:08 ben_vulpes: natural gas as well, for the localized heating of crank-turners.

04:47:11 *: asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...)

04:48:04 ben_vulpes: in re-packing the toolbox today i had a moment of gloom over all the tools i've abandoned over the years.

04:48:40 ben_vulpes: once upon a time i built furnaces, tables, cabinetry, play-vehicles for the e-peen at burning man...

04:49:39 ben_vulpes: (chairs, wafer chucks, unattended production cells...)

04:50:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48653 @ 0.00075242 = 36.6075 BTC [+] {3}

04:50:44 ben_vulpes: the actual tools i now own are hacksaws, japanese wood saws, various jigs, shitty quick-grip clamps, a stick welder (in the business-partner's garage), a cutoff saw (ibid), and a circular saw (...).

04:50:57 nubbins`: there's no infrastructure for natural gas here so they just burn it all off

04:51:26 ben_vulpes: various squares, tape measures, handheld sanders, an 18v battery drill and two batteries for same.

04:51:50 ben_vulpes: vice grips (3, various sizes), wrenches, socket set, bike manipulation tools

04:51:59 nubbins`: you're a stick welder ahead of my print shop so far

04:52:00 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these are perfectly fine things every adult man i know, owns.

04:52:01 ben_vulpes: for lo, the paupery. we must maintain our own equipment.

04:52:20 asciilifeform: minus one or two

04:52:35 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm reduced to that with which i cannot bear to part.

04:52:44 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes travels ?

04:52:53 *: ben_vulpes hovels

04:53:10 *: asciilifeform also hovels, packs the hovel anyway

04:53:18 ben_vulpes: it's fair packable.

04:53:38 ben_vulpes: but also entirely replaceable anywhere with a 1960s industrial toolchain.

04:53:56 ben_vulpes: oh and a grinder.

04:54:06 ben_vulpes: can't weld or work metal properly without the grinder.

04:55:03 ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << i came too close to sacrificing too many valuable human-parts derping on atoms on salary to go back to it.

04:55:21 ben_vulpes: then the rocket folks gave me a tour of the life i could expect derping on the sexiest atom stacks around

04:55:25 *: ben_vulpes shudders at the memory

04:56:01 asciilifeform: 'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ?

04:56:44 ben_vulpes: "hey kid, want to maintain this family of bolts' load certifications through stack reengineering after stack reengineering? live in LA, sacrifice meaningful human contact, operate in remote proximity to large piles of cash and famous people working on other, cooler things?"

04:57:21 ben_vulpes: "oh hey if you want to work on the hot parts, you could also go live in the desert - miles from anything interesting! - how about it? we pay 65K pre-tax."

04:58:15 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> 'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ? << they were proud to offer the opportunity to sacrifice my parts on the shrine of their stock price

04:59:50 ben_vulpes: options: derp on shitty, non-lethal web stack solving problems for people with "real" businesses in exchange for some nominal amount of cash and the "freedom" to write my own schedule, or drive hours to get to the place with the interesting multiphysics problems and...flourescent-lit workspacen.

05:01:11 *: asciilifeform if condemned to work on 'web stack' would rather have the lethal one. suffer less.

05:01:58 ben_vulpes: you also labor under an actual education in what comprises a computer.

05:02:13 xmj: ...

05:02:29 xmj: working on 'web stack' is easy enough

05:02:37 xmj: charge more if it's boring.

05:02:44 asciilifeform: i also once earned bread by running wires in ceilings, walls.

05:02:48 asciilifeform: and may again.

05:03:03 xmj: how very Roark-y of you, asciilifeform

05:03:09 asciilifeform: lol.

05:03:20 ben_vulpes: it's all just plumbing.

05:03:47 xmj: of course it is

05:03:52 ben_vulpes: i imagine that i feel about running cables and laying literal pipe the way you feel about returning responses to http requests.

05:03:56 xmj: that's what makes it so attractive

05:04:04 xmj: sysadmin is digital plumbing.

05:04:10 xmj: plumbing is... plumbing.

05:04:16 nubbins`: print shop, creative plumbing

05:04:23 asciilifeform: with the exception that plumbing of pipes to carry water, shit, - is honest work.

05:04:49 nubbins`: just because anyone with a set of arms can do it doesn't mean it's honest

05:05:00 ben_vulpes: what is dishonest work?

05:05:02 asciilifeform: honest in the sense that water, shit need to run.

05:05:15 asciilifeform: most computer systems have no business really existing.

05:05:25 nubbins`: but we need to do the thing faster

05:06:00 xmj: it's the old debate

05:06:03 ben_vulpes: so i've started bringing in the kind of work i started out seeking. internal applications for companies converting passenger 747s into cargo 747s.

05:06:03 xmj: and it's boring.

05:06:12 *: xmj fastforwards asciilifeform to the 21st century.

05:06:32 xmj: please accept that computer systems in this century have as much legitimacy as water systems in the last.

05:06:41 thestringpuller: xmj sounds like a file format

05:06:48 asciilifeform: xmj: familiar with edison's dc current electrical grid ?

05:06:51 nubbins`: ;;google xmj file extension

05:06:51 ben_vulpes: operate in the boonies, can't afford and don't want to hire programmers, and so bring me on to do...forms. for enquification of work. in exchange for which i get dollars, and the opportunity to suggest other ways in which to make their businesses run less awkwardly.

05:06:52 gribble: What does XMJ stand for? - Abbreviations.com: http://www.abbreviations.com/XMJ; Ubuntu Manpage: xmj, mj-server, mj-player - programs for playing ...: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man6/xmj.6.html; TOSHIBA 14N5-XM,XMJ,XE,XMS Service Manual free download ...: http://www.eserviceinfo.com/downloadsm/38085/_TOSHIBA%2014N5-XM,XMJ,XE,XMS.html

05:07:11 xmj: after WW-II was over russia stole german spigots, installing them in russia thinking water would come out of the wall...

05:07:21 asciilifeform: xmj: he would have power plant on every street.

05:07:24 nubbins`: ben_vulpes is this what they call "consulting"?

05:07:28 xmj: ..needless to say that failed, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLUMBING.

05:07:30 asciilifeform: xmj: this is roughly the situation of modern computing.

05:07:40 ben_vulpes: nubbins`: who knows what "they" call anything.

05:07:51 asciilifeform: stole german spigots, installing them << idiotic libel

05:07:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00075299 = 3.2379 BTC [+]

05:08:01 xmj: asciilifeform: with the difference that modern computing "just works"

05:08:01 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

05:08:02 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 405.15, Best ask: 406.12, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 406.12, 24 hour volume: 13245.56397950, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 410.02, 24 hour vwap: 400.824099826

05:08:12 asciilifeform: modern computing "just works" << lol!

05:08:16 asciilifeform: trololol...

05:08:20 thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe

05:08:20 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074591 / 0.0007498 / 0.00075299 (691738 shares, 518.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00074591 / 0.00075192 / 0.00076502 (4165683 shares, 3,132.29 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.00075378 / 0.00086605 (15942598 shares, 12,017.25 BTC)

05:08:34 thestringpuller: modern video games!

05:08:39 xmj: ...

05:08:46 nubbins`: loose times, fast women!

05:08:50 xmj: ben_vulpes: why do you do FORMS for a client?

05:09:07 ben_vulpes: it's an abstraction for the sake of discussion, xmj.

05:09:10 thestringpuller: forms > spreadsheets

05:09:15 asciilifeform: tight times - slow women.

05:09:36 nubbins`: 5 cents cheaper than the theatre

05:09:51 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

05:09:52 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 405.62, Best ask: 406.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 406.54, 24 hour volume: 13174.81062162, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 410.02, 24 hour vwap: 400.847799735

05:10:03 nubbins`: oh god i forgot i used to do shit with forms

05:10:43 nubbins`: ms infopath

05:10:47 nubbins`: oh god

05:10:55 thestringpuller: that's a thing?

05:10:58 ben_vulpes: microsoft, apple

05:11:03 thestringpuller: ;;google infopath

05:11:03 gribble: Microsoft InfoPath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_InfoPath; Update on InfoPath and SharePoint Forms | Office Blogs: http://blogs.office.com/2014/01/31/update-on-infopath-and-sharepoint-forms/; Introduction to InfoPath Forms Services - InfoPath - Office - Microsoft: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/infopath-help/introduction-to- (1 more message)

05:11:05 ben_vulpes: apple's shit's all about "end user experience"

05:11:14 ben_vulpes: m$ all about preventing developers from thinking

05:11:30 ben_vulpes: i guess i'm into really elaborate masochism

05:11:43 nubbins`: nah man, you have to think plenty

05:11:49 nubbins`: because it's all a hot mess

05:12:27 thestringpuller: lol linux just kinda exists

05:13:18 nubbins`: between two major versions of sharepoint server, microsoft rewrote all the APIs and shuffled around all the names, so that what once was called an X is now called a Y, and what was once called a Y is now called a Z

05:13:45 thestringpuller: i wonder who thinks these are good ideas

05:13:46 nubbins`: but all the class names remained the same, so to create an instance of Y you'd call createX()

05:14:01 thestringpuller: and how these ideas are incepted and nutured

05:14:02 ben_vulpes: oh god stop

05:14:05 ben_vulpes: no stop stop stop

05:14:46 nubbins`: and the best part is that X and Y and Z were extremely common words like "Web" and "Site" but with new, very specific, obtuse definitions

05:15:12 nubbins`: applied as an onion skin over a convoluted permissions-based content management system

05:15:16 *: nubbins` vomits, weeps

05:15:37 ben_vulpes: noipe

05:15:45 ben_vulpes: i'm noping right the fuck out of this conversation.

05:15:58 nubbins`: i need a drink

05:16:04 ben_vulpes: bitcoin-assets is my refuge from the shitty horrible suicide-inducing world of web programming

05:16:18 ben_vulpes: i apologize sincerely for bringing this weep fest in here

05:16:43 nubbins`: heh.

05:16:48 nubbins`: don't feel too bad for me, i got out

05:17:25 nubbins`: oh and also ben_vulpes they just emailed me and said it doesn't work in ie7

05:17:34 nubbins`: LEL I KID

05:18:38 nubbins`: microsoft infopath: "let's make XSLT even shittier"

05:22:11 nubbins`: this "openbazaar beta 1.0" video is brutal

05:22:28 nubbins`: guy is literally just browsing through items, clicking on them, lamely reading description

05:22:36 nubbins`: "so i guess you could buy a pen if you wanted to..."

05:24:03 thestringpuller: not everyone is as creative as you nubbins`

05:24:08 thestringpuller: gosssh

05:24:20 nubbins`: he doesn't have anything to say!

05:24:53 thestringpuller: lighthouse looked promising in some regards

05:25:04 thestringpuller: but meh

05:25:05 thestringpuller: lol

05:25:14 thestringpuller: all of it is pretty meh

05:28:36 TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbin` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3

05:28:37 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

05:28:41 TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbins` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3

05:28:43 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user nubbins` has changed from 1 to 2.

05:29:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32469 @ 0.00075303 = 24.4501 BTC [+] {2}

05:29:46 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nubbins` thestringpuller

05:29:46 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012

05:29:57 thestringpuller: no level 1 from you yet nubbins` :P

05:31:10 nubbins`: don't get too offended, i'm pretty skimpy with my ratings

05:31:16 nubbins`: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=nubbins`&sign=ANY&type=SENT

05:31:16 assbot: Rating Details for User 'nubbins`'

05:31:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6315 @ 0.00075039 = 4.7387 BTC [-] {2}

05:31:29 nubbins`: ;;rate thestringpuller 1 patron of the arts

05:31:30 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thestringpuller has been recorded.

05:31:54 thestringpuller: love it

05:32:04 thestringpuller: i hope to be art connessieur one day

05:32:11 thestringpuller: but art is tough

05:32:38 nubbins`: stew meat is tough, unless you stew it

05:32:44 nubbins`: art is the same

05:33:10 thestringpuller: hmmm

05:33:14 thestringpuller: that makes sense

05:33:27 thestringpuller: that and a lot of practice eh?

05:33:41 ben_vulpes: art meat is tough unless you art it?

05:34:59 nubbins`: sure, yeah

05:35:02 nubbins`: that's what i meant

05:35:54 decimation: asciilifeform: re: "emacs aptitude test" << yeah I'm realizing I need to remap everything to become more productive, like a young apprentice ought. It is good to learn the default keybindings in case one needs to use some strange terminal without your own .emacs though -- not a situation where one should expect to be productive

05:39:13 decimation: to the point, though - it's clear that only a crazy person or a fanatic would wear the 'hair shirt' of emacs defaults. why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion?

05:58:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45459 @ 0.00075338 = 34.2479 BTC [+] {2}

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06:20:32 BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz

06:20:53 moldysnizz: squeeeeee

06:21:00 moldysnizz: hiya bingo

06:22:17 moldysnizz: Someday I'll dig out my computer with my chatquack credintals on it. For now, it's moldy.

06:22:32 moldysnizz: How've you been?

06:24:43 BingoBoingo: Not too bad

06:24:45 BingoBoingo: You?

06:24:51 BingoBoingo: How's the homestead?

06:25:30 moldysnizz: Fix'n up an RV I bought a couple of months ago.

06:26:07 moldysnizz: About to get a solar panal set up on the roof. The charge controler came in the other day.

06:26:29 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts << there are some places ip makes sense.

06:26:36 mircea_popescu: the best example being, of course, your own dna.

06:26:56 BingoBoingo: Nice moldysnizz

06:27:31 moldysnizz: So, hopefuly someday soon I will be moving it onto my land.

06:27:36 moldysnizz: *excited*

06:27:48 mircea_popescu: * ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6 << not bad deal.

06:27:51 moldysnizz: I might have to put in a driveway first. :P

06:28:14 BingoBoingo: Well, worse things have been required of people by circumstances

06:28:23 moldysnizz: =)

06:29:15 mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << mp lives in land of currently spring. forgets the rest of the world has autumns and shit

06:29:20 BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/04/guy-motorcycle-looking-forward-donating-organs-year/

06:29:21 assbot: Guy on Motorcycle Looking Forward To Donating his Organs this Year - Medical Satire - GomerBlog

06:29:53 BingoBoingo: ?You know I have my whole life ahead of me,? said 22-year-old Jasper. ?Just in other people?s bodies.?

06:34:46 moldysnizz: heh

06:35:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: honest in the sense that water, shit need to run. << the spanish right would disagree.

06:35:10 mircea_popescu: all a matter of perspective.

06:36:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: trololol... << he's not trolling, he's just new and clinging to it like it's his foreskin or something.

06:40:45 mircea_popescu: decimation: why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion? << because you're a vampire and the casket with your home dirt feels cosiest ?

06:42:57 BingoBoingo: http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/09/18/how-to-discourage-a-doctor/

06:42:58 assbot: How To Discourage a Doctor | The Health Care Blog

06:43:51 BingoBoingo: "For example, make physicians increasingly dependent on complex systems outside their domain of expertise, such as information technology and coding and billing software. Ensure that such systems are very costly, so that solo practitioners and small groups, who naturally cannot afford them, must turn to the hospital. And augment their sense of incompetence by making such systems user-unfriendly and unreliable. Where possible, chan

06:43:51 BingoBoingo: ge vendors frequently."

06:44:41 mircea_popescu: the framing is kinda lulzy awkward.

06:44:47 mircea_popescu: apparently doctors can't write, either.

06:46:38 BingoBoingo: Of course they can't

06:49:01 mircea_popescu: anyway, this is like its sister, "how the hedge fund masquerading as a 'research' university can take control of the professor/researcher"

06:49:11 moldysnizz: wow. just wow

06:49:35 mircea_popescu: herpy-derp. as if it's avoidable. in a totalitarian regime the state takes control, of everything. until it all goes to shit in a monolithic piece.

06:49:38 mircea_popescu: what the hell else.

06:50:49 BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz

06:52:28 moldysnizz: Thank you.

07:03:29 mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3063483543243747@naggum.no.html on perceived arrogance

07:03:30 assbot: Re: Theory #51 (superior(?) programming languages) - Naggum cll archive

07:07:05 BingoBoingo: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3283103461920369KL2065E@naggum.no.html

07:07:05 assbot: Re: OT Re: GNU CLISP 2.32 released - Naggum cll archive

07:11:14 mircea_popescu: "Just because someone says he suffers, does not mean he does, and even if he does, that does not mean it is anyone's business. Quite the contrary, a lot of really bad people successfully manipulate others by lying about how they suffer and exploit the natural tendency of better humans to feel compassion for sufferers."

07:11:21 mircea_popescu: nothing "better" about it, it's a bug like any other.

07:11:33 mircea_popescu: this is like saying that heartbleed affected the better ssh implementation.

07:11:42 mircea_popescu: no. it affected the openssh implementation.

07:11:58 mircea_popescu: derpy usians are on this empathy kick means jack.

07:14:02 BingoBoingo: Oh Nagum address es the SGML/XML issue http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3283054407117609KL2065E@naggum.no.html

07:14:03 assbot: Re: O'reilly subjugated to the Lisp juggenaut (well, almost ;-) - Naggum cll archive

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07:21:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-jet/

08:30:23 punkman: http://iplayif.com/?story=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifarchive.org%2Fif-archive%2Fgames%2Fzcode%2Fgostak.z5

08:30:24 assbot: Parchment

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11:09:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00074786 = 2.4679 BTC [-]

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11:55:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0075 = 1.125 BTC [+]

12:18:33 BingoBoingo: http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-runs-on-21-raid-proof-virtual-machines-140921/

12:18:33 assbot: The Pirate Bay Runs on 21 "Raid-Proof" Virtual Machines | TorrentFreak

12:45:17 kakobrekla: it looks like posters arrive.

12:45:19 kakobrekla: d

12:51:19 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Did you also get the nuclear resistant packaging other recipients are reporting?

12:52:25 kakobrekla: actually i decided mid-unwrapping that im going to leave it packaged as it came.

12:52:35 kakobrekla: maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it.

12:53:19 BingoBoingo: Solid plan

12:53:46 BingoBoingo: In a few millenia the archeaologist will appreciate that.

13:35:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16683 @ 0.0007461 = 12.4472 BTC [-] {3}

13:44:57 danielpbarron: does anyone know who this idiot is? https://twitter.com/bravetheworld/status/514036093281660928 -- she claims to have been in here before, but refuses to tell me her gribble username

13:44:58 assbot: If you told me last year that I'd be running GIT and beta testing /openbazaar I'd think you were speaking in another language. /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash

13:46:20 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I dun remember.

13:46:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9698 @ 0.00075005 = 7.274 BTC [+]

13:51:05 cazalla: danielpbarron, that's julia tourianski

13:51:44 cazalla: seo marketer, anarchist, friend of jeff berwick and amir

13:53:29 danielpbarron: cazalla, know her gribble username?

13:54:28 cazalla: nfi but she has not been here in the past 12 months and she popped up 9 months ago

14:04:08 mats_cd03: rofl. 'seo marketer'.

14:05:23 cazalla: mats_cd03, that's what her linked in says and she runs hydralocalmarketing.com

14:12:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00075183 = 19.2844 BTC [+] {2}

14:13:43 mats_cd03: i lol at the lack of self-realization that causes such branding

14:14:45 cazalla: someone is pulling her strings

14:14:53 mats_cd03: no, she's just dumb.

14:15:17 mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is.

14:15:47 cazalla: dunno, panda/penguin took me out

14:18:12 cazalla: but no, she might be dumb but she popped up almost a year ago with all these videos, from what i've seen and heard from her, she's a puppet for someone else

14:19:18 BingoBoingo: <mats_cd03> inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << What do you think /. is?

14:19:32 cazalla: you know when you come across someone that says things that you know are being said on behalf of someone else, that's the feeling i get from her

14:21:56 cazalla: she's done acting before, she's the actor in her videos, nfi who the producer/director is

14:22:23 dub: friend if amir

14:22:45 dub: so her utility ends at compost or some other biomass

14:23:33 nubbins`: kakobrekla:maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. <<< good idea, collectors love original packaging

14:27:14 BingoBoingo: https://github.com/conformal/btcd/releases/tag/BTCD_0_9_0_BETA << Interesting

14:27:14 assbot: Release btcd v0.9.0-beta conformal/btcd GitHub

14:28:42 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/22/a-rough-weekend-for-missouri-sports/

14:33:43 kakobrekla: nubbins` imma have to open it as my mom wants one

14:42:01 nubbins`: for shame

14:49:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5602 @ 0.00075038 = 4.2036 BTC [-]

14:55:17 nubbins`: http://youtu.be/rYcSqIuqkz4

14:55:17 assbot: KTVA reporter quits on-air, reveals herself as owner of Alaska Cannabis Club - YouTube

14:55:19 nubbins`: hahahahaha.

15:03:42 nubbins`: http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&id=49397&latest=1

15:03:43 assbot: VOCM.COM|Trial Begins Today in Botched Robbery Shooting | Article

15:03:52 nubbins`: "wear a suit, it'll make you look good"

15:04:42 mats_cd03: i discovered a while ago that visual basic 6 was used for a front end on a .mil dish that provided internet connectivity to personnel in the field

15:04:51 nubbins`: wow

15:05:08 mats_cd03: p amusing.

15:05:56 nubbins`: i used to work at an insurance company that stored all their client passwords in plaintext

15:06:10 nubbins`: i guess they probably still do

15:07:43 kakobrekla: if only they base64 encoded it

15:07:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 88 @ 0.17404592 = 15.316 BTC [+] {9}

15:08:08 nubbins`: unhackabru

15:08:25 nubbins`: response when i brought it up: "we know"

15:08:53 kakobrekla: should be "how else are we gonna tell them their password when they forget it?!"

15:10:50 BingoBoingo: Password is Xylophone http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/us/us-ramping-up-major-renewal-in-nuclear-arms.html?_r=0

15:10:52 assbot: Log In - The New York Times

15:11:13 nubbins`: kakobrekla 8)

15:11:30 nubbins`: (password?)

15:16:11 bounce: the password is to stick it in google

15:16:36 mircea_popescu: !up GNULinuxGuy

15:17:43 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. << ahahaha kako got tired of digging

15:17:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00075018 = 17.7042 BTC [-]

15:18:50 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: does anyone know who this idiot is? << you know, the proof of idiocy is circular reasoning, not disagreement.

15:19:40 mircea_popescu: lol bitcoinbelle

15:21:05 mircea_popescu: wtf is with all these people and their identity issues, i can scarcely imagine one's life under this convention. age 0 to 1 week: MaternityInfant ; 1 week to 1 year : DiapersDude ; Age 1 to 3 years : MrChewsalot ; 3 to 7 : FallingoverPerson ; 7 to 10 SillyPuttyPutting ; 10 to 13 OneHairYo

15:21:07 mircea_popescu: etc etc

15:21:19 mircea_popescu: can't just be Susan or Alex throughout.

15:21:40 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2P73529.txt )

15:21:40 BingoBoingo: !b 3

15:22:06 BingoBoingo: %d

15:22:07 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 294697.00 in 930 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.31

15:22:27 mircea_popescu: i knew a chick that had named her cat Dog, but at least that was a) funny and b) not the cat's doing. too much pseudo-irony for lyfe.

15:23:01 nubbins`: buddy of mine has a dog named water

15:23:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.1749 = 2.0988 BTC [+]

15:23:13 mircea_popescu: on consideration, it's actually possible https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/458738254284468224/5L51itmv_400x400.jpeg doesn't realise her self-tagging as "belle" is at best ironic.

15:25:50 mircea_popescu: on the plus side, til there exists a dude named xavier zappa. now that's not a bad name.

15:28:49 mircea_popescu: "I think it funny #mainstreammedia implements paywalls on their websites. They think their gov't content worthy." lmao.

15:28:51 mircea_popescu: that'sd a good point

15:29:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.14536972 = 13.374 BTC [-] {7}

15:29:12 mircea_popescu: oh i totally want to pay something to read how nyt has rewritten the official usg talking points this week.

15:30:46 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh, the rub is this is some twerp that wanted to have invented "bitcoin independence" except hadn't done their fraudsters reading and was nonplussed to find a) it's old and b) the people who did it aren't impressed with kids sitting on their ass "changing thr world" through verbiage.

15:31:37 chetty: maybe dog walk hour catches on in usa and nyt can boohoo

15:31:51 mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?q=Julia+Tourianski&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X if you're curious.

15:31:51 assbot: Julia Tourianski - Google Search

15:32:12 mircea_popescu: chetty i don't think it can because well, that'd require meeting people.

15:34:47 mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/13984/ode-julia/ << leaving this here for pete_d :D

15:34:48 assbot: Ode to Julia – Bitcoin Magazine

15:35:44 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/21/tete-a-tete-with-a-neo-national-socialist/

15:42:11 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl yeah not a bad plane for the 200k it costs. prolly the best bird that money can buy.

15:42:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:49:09 thestringpuller: the writer looks hot

15:51:23 mircea_popescu: she's at that age when merely washing and not eating crap is good enough.

15:53:19 thestringpuller: what is that age range

15:54:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 89 @ 0.01114943 = 0.9923 BTC [+] {4}

15:59:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 0.80499160 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 70 satoshi per share

16:00:20 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/AQy9kKW.jpg

16:00:54 nubbins`: thestringpuller depends on the person. for me, birth-40

16:02:02 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bout same that the woman can effectualy become a slave, 16 to 26 or w/e. definitely not past 30, metabolism goes to shit.

16:03:43 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i'd like to imagine you don't think 0 yos are hot.

16:03:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27252613 BTC to 15`097 shares, 8429 satoshi per share

16:04:05 nubbins`: course not, you're extrapolating

16:04:10 nubbins`: i'm only concerned with me

16:04:38 mircea_popescu: i mean i know canucks are weirdos and dogs and everything, but srsly...

16:04:58 nubbins`: fun fact, nurse in the delivery room was like "shit, nubs" and immediately engaged me in intercourse

16:05:12 mircea_popescu: conversational intercourse ?

16:05:21 nubbins`: sexual. it was the third woman i'd slept with.

16:05:29 mircea_popescu: you slept ?!

16:05:33 mircea_popescu: what, like all through it ?!

16:05:39 nubbins`: euphemism!

16:05:45 mircea_popescu: welcome to technicality club, bitch.

16:05:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18507 @ 0.00074664 = 13.8181 BTC [-]

16:05:53 nubbins`: no sleep til valhalla

16:06:16 thestringpuller: wait your wife had a baby

16:06:25 thestringpuller: and you had sex with the nurse that helped deliver?

16:06:30 nubbins`: wait what?

16:06:42 nubbins`: this is my birth we're discussing

16:06:50 thestringpuller: OH

16:06:52 thestringpuller: lol

16:06:56 thestringpuller: ~_~

16:06:57 nubbins`: jesus, somebody get me a whiteboard marker

16:07:44 thestringpuller: 8====> O = baby

16:07:47 thestringpuller: or something?

16:07:48 thestringpuller: right

16:07:56 thestringpuller: penis + girl hole = intercourse?

16:07:58 thestringpuller: yes yes?

16:11:37 jurov: nubbins` then maybe you ought to show the world more than your exquisite torso?

16:12:52 jurov: *to the world

16:12:54 mircea_popescu: he means he was born into one of those conservative environments where they use wet nurses and what the wet nurses do to pacify the young lord that cries/won't sleep is suck his cocklet.

16:13:20 jurov: but he also says it persists to this day ?

16:13:50 mircea_popescu: well... canada

16:13:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42944 @ 0.00075063 = 32.2351 BTC [+] {5}

16:14:05 nubbins`: the cold preserves things

16:14:20 nubbins`: where do you think this name came from?

16:14:28 jurov: wetnurse4lyfe

16:15:33 jurov: btw, it's covered by insurance, too?

16:15:47 jurov: teh welfare!!!1

16:16:19 mircea_popescu: it occurs to me this conversation is grossly inappropriate for a serious, professional, tech minded channel

16:16:26 mircea_popescu: please take it to #bitcoin-dev

16:16:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17108 @ 0.00075206 = 12.8662 BTC [+]

16:17:12 nubbins`: HA

16:18:20 mircea_popescu: the best part of eating cereal is pouring milk over the construction

16:18:45 jurov: as in, directly from udder?

16:18:51 jurov: er.. tit

16:18:53 mircea_popescu: lol no

16:19:25 mircea_popescu: justr, the moistening of previously dry matter, that could have survived indefinitely dry.

16:19:29 mircea_popescu: it's very sexual.

16:20:08 Duffer1: how very tantric

16:24:39 nubbins`: do they have honey shreddies in argentina?

16:27:30 mircea_popescu: what's them ?

16:27:43 mircea_popescu: i hate sweets with breakfast.

16:27:46 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shreddies

16:27:47 assbot: Shreddies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

16:28:05 nubbins`: essentially shredded wheat w/ honey baked in

16:28:33 nubbins`: y'see, when people talk about "commonwealth countries", this is the common wealth to which they refer

16:28:46 nubbins`: shreddies, cadbury chocolate, superfluous Us in words, etc

16:30:30 mircea_popescu: and by superfluous you mean ubiquitous ?

16:31:44 nubbins`: both, i suppose

16:31:49 mircea_popescu: :)

16:32:05 nubbins`: technicality cafe: would you like a seat by the window?

16:32:14 mircea_popescu: lol

16:32:17 nubbins`: "sure, but only when you put the accent over the e"

16:33:39 mircea_popescu: "do you mean the window made the seat or it allowed the seat ? by as in by picasso or as in by god ?"

16:35:54 nubbins`: SEAT... by Window

16:36:23 mircea_popescu: so how long should a li-ion battery hold its charge without discarching or recharging ? a month ? a year ?

16:37:34 thestringpuller: sometimes it feels like they can go a year

16:37:42 thestringpuller: definitely a month

16:38:27 mircea_popescu: aha

16:39:13 nubbins`: month sounds safe

16:39:20 nubbins`: longer than that is probably suspect

16:40:14 mircea_popescu: so basically you can't put a tesla in storage.

16:41:03 mircea_popescu: this is a very interesting sidepoint to the whole electric car thing. a car YOU MUST FIDDLE WITH

16:41:10 thestringpuller: you can't put a real car in storage

16:41:14 thestringpuller: with gas

16:41:20 mircea_popescu: much like the smartphone revolution is to a large degree, for the anthropologist at least, "the phone you can't forget about"

16:41:27 thestringpuller: if you keep gas in the tank it ruins the fuel system

16:41:41 thestringpuller: be it carbeurated or fuel injection

16:41:52 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller so what do i do, take a laptop battery to the tesla, start it enough to drive to charging station ?

16:42:28 thestringpuller: you'd have to do the same thing for if you put a combustion vehicle in long term storage

16:42:43 thestringpuller: it's always recommended you remove the fuel from the gas tank before putting into storage

16:42:44 mircea_popescu: hm.

16:42:51 thestringpuller: the only other option is to put fuel preservatives

16:43:15 thestringpuller: also depending on climate control the starter system could go dead in long term storage of a car

16:43:40 thestringpuller: so you may need to tow the vehicle to a shop to do "wake up from comatose" work on it

16:44:17 thestringpuller: i imagine with a tesla you just bring a single battery with you and drive to chargin station

16:44:21 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i had no idea of this theory.

16:44:26 mircea_popescu: what's more, neither does the dmv : http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/laying_up.html

16:44:26 assbot: Leaving a car unused | AA

16:44:42 mircea_popescu: Fuel matters Petrol will stay fresh in a sealed container for about a year

16:45:23 mircea_popescu: http://www.dmv.org/how-to-guides/storage.php

16:45:24 assbot: Storing Your Vehicle for Long Periods of Time - How To Guides at DMV.org: The DMV Made Simple

16:45:34 thestringpuller: yup these are decent guides

16:45:35 mircea_popescu: their only advice is to fill the tank, which is what i knew on the topic too

16:45:53 mircea_popescu: yes gasoline fractionally evaporates, but only in open atmosphere

16:45:59 thestringpuller: damn i forgot all about oil congealing

16:46:02 mircea_popescu: otherwise in a closed tank its own vapor pressure prevents it

16:46:09 thestringpuller: if you have synthetic oil you may be good up to 5 years

16:46:24 thestringpuller: but after long term storage with oil just sitting you would also want to do an immediate oil change

16:46:58 mircea_popescu: yes, sure, you'll drive it for a tune-up.

16:47:02 mircea_popescu: but the key there is, drive it.

16:47:04 thestringpuller: with carburated vehicles if fuel stays in the carbs is clogs

16:47:08 thestringpuller: it*

16:47:13 nubbins`: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/florida-woman-surgery-add-breast-article-1.1948199

16:47:13 assbot: Florida woman has surgery to add third breast to make herself 'unatttractive to men' - NY Daily News

16:47:14 thestringpuller: you may need starter fluid

16:47:17 mircea_popescu: so you mean like, back i nthe 70s ?!

16:47:25 thestringpuller: yes back in the 70's

16:47:27 thestringpuller: XD

16:47:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` most unlikely to backfire plan of the year.

16:47:33 thestringpuller: but I see your point mr. popescu

16:47:52 thestringpuller: I guess we'll just have to wait an see with the long term storage of tesla's and electric vehicles in general

16:48:05 thestringpuller: maybe someone invents a battery that can hold a charge for a lifetime and it's all moot

16:48:24 nubbins`: heh

16:48:27 mircea_popescu: more likely, someone invents tesla charger that works

16:48:38 mircea_popescu: i mean, tesla as in nikolai. the distance thing

16:48:48 nubbins`: yes, certainly a third breast will help her escape unwanted attentions

16:48:48 jurov: there are already solar trickle chargers (obv. they work only outside)

16:49:16 thestringpuller: hmm wireless charging has yet to become a thing even though the tech has existed a century

16:49:17 mircea_popescu: jurov storing a car outside is unlikely to be invented soon

16:49:44 thestringpuller: that would be ideal though

16:50:04 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that shit's giving me eyes 3d sensations.

16:50:05 thestringpuller: (wirelessly charging the vehicle)

16:50:08 mircea_popescu: like i gotta defocus or something

16:50:50 mircea_popescu: "Tridevil has aspirations to be a reality star, and hopes to get a show on MTV." woman does not want to date, because she wants to be on mtv.

16:51:06 mircea_popescu: conceivably she also does not want to eat because she prefers to graze and so on.

16:51:07 jurov: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/National_Security_Agency_headquarters,_Fort_Meade,_Maryland.jpg << most secure outside car storage

16:51:20 mircea_popescu: jurov those may be street art.

16:51:42 jurov: dunno, un teh us, actual cars are cheaper

16:52:03 nubbins`: mp watch the video on the bottom of the article

16:52:04 nubbins`: brutal

16:52:46 mircea_popescu: soo are we inviting her over for tits and biscuits ?

16:53:03 nubbins`: seems insufferable, you go ahead

16:53:28 mircea_popescu: lol. what's with all the youtube chicks, "hey guise, there is something i want to talk about today"

16:53:38 mircea_popescu: could just go hg-tisi wttat!

16:53:59 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/30BXH5Y.txt )

16:53:59 thestringpuller: !b 2

16:54:28 mircea_popescu: nubbins` honestly, she just sounds desperately in need of guidance.

16:54:50 nubbins`: ya think?

16:55:07 mircea_popescu: myeah.

16:55:18 mircea_popescu: what gave it away, right /

16:55:22 nubbins`: heh

16:55:47 mircea_popescu: lol "i have all these 18-28 friends and i don't know anyone who is successful"

16:55:49 nubbins`: best part is when she says she's been working since age 15 and now owns a house, car, and motorcycle

16:56:08 mircea_popescu: o, that being successful ?

16:56:34 mircea_popescu: anyway, why so tense.

16:58:03 nubbins`: "i worked from ages 15-20 and now own a house"

16:58:06 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/Uku02mU.jpg?1

16:58:14 thestringpuller: !conference

16:58:19 thestringpuller: what's the command!

16:58:21 thestringpuller: !con

16:58:22 thestringpuller: !conf

16:58:25 thestringpuller: :(

16:58:36 jurov: http://www.wired.com/2014/09/mit-students-face-aggressive-subpoena-demanding-source-code-bitcoin-mining-tool/

16:58:36 assbot: MIT Students Battle State's Demand for Their Bitcoin Miner's Source Code | WIRED

16:58:44 nubbins`: thestringpuller: $

16:58:50 thestringpuller: $conference

16:58:52 empyex: thestringpuller: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.29662096 BTC (Details: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )

16:58:58 jurov: placing a js miner = fraud...

16:59:01 thestringpuller: mod6: ^

16:59:18 nubbins`: jurov iirc it was voluntary?

16:59:40 mircea_popescu: jurov wait someone wrote an "aggressive" supoena for a github repo ?

16:59:50 mircea_popescu: no tcp/ip where they live or what

16:59:59 jurov: nubbins` dunno "it was never actually functional"

17:00:04 jurov: whole article is a mess

17:00:23 mircea_popescu: wired baby you're such a highway hooker.

17:03:30 mircea_popescu: kay so going for a meeting. if anyone asks tell 'em i'ma be back in about an hour. laters!

17:03:45 thestringpuller: where di mircea_popescu go?

17:03:57 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

17:03:57 empyex: thestringpuller: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=202 Or use a valid MPSIC!

17:04:03 thestringpuller: $depth s.mpoe

17:04:05 empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 18667 @ 0.00074572 21900 @ 0.00074529 18714 @ 0.00074498 23400 @ 0.00074485

17:04:06 empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 11592 @ 0.00074644 27792 @ 0.00075257 21815 @ 0.00075384 7997 @ 0.00075406

17:06:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00074572 = 10.0672 BTC [-]

17:06:59 ben_vulpes: http://calagator.org/events/1250466855 << god bless portland

17:07:01 assbot: Church of Robotron Calagator: Portland's Tech Calendar

17:09:06 mod6: thestringpuller: thx

17:15:39 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/RIasguO

17:15:39 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

17:15:46 nubbins`: mailman came :D

17:34:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.0007455 = 7.6414 BTC [-] {2}

17:34:14 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

17:34:15 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.07, Best ask: 402.83, Bid-ask spread: 2.76000, Last trade: 402.84, 24 hour volume: 12135.18562964, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 409.38, 24 hour vwap: 400.68935094

17:35:02 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

17:35:02 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074529 / 0.00074994 / 0.00075406 (1007833 shares, 755.82 BTC), 7D: 0.00074529 / 0.00075053 / 0.00076085 (4250760 shares, 3,190.36 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.0007551 / 0.00086605 (16406165 shares, 12,388.44 BTC)

17:37:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00074644 = 0.5972 BTC [+]

17:51:29 mircea_popescu: !up julia_

17:51:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10792 @ 0.00074644 = 8.0556 BTC [+]

17:51:39 mircea_popescu: julia_ you the chick with the guns ?

17:52:22 julia_: yes

17:52:45 julia_: you asked for me.

17:52:58 mircea_popescu: soo, what's this business about trolls,

17:53:05 mircea_popescu: and what's this business about hacked exchanges ?

17:53:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5908 @ 0.0007504 = 4.4334 BTC [+]

17:53:47 mircea_popescu: as to http://bravetheworld.com/ if you try submitting a comment form it dies, check it out for yourself.

17:53:47 assbot: CHAOS BEGETS FREEDOM | Brave The World | bravetheworld.com

17:56:34 julia_: my site has been completely fucked up recently

17:56:46 julia_: waiting to hear by from my host.

17:56:57 mircea_popescu: looks like someone in the process of learning php has been editing the wp-comments files.

17:57:07 julia_: so should be resolved soon. feel free to post some hate next week

17:57:27 mircea_popescu: this is part of what im trying to figure out. why is it you think i should hate you again ?

17:57:27 thestringpuller: how did mircea_popescu ask for you?

17:57:32 mircea_popescu: did we talk before or something ?

17:57:45 julia_: looks like someone is trying to "fork" reality with assumptions ;)

17:58:05 mircea_popescu: yes, well, i don't hate people for that.

17:58:08 julia_: he was kind enough to email me so advice

17:58:14 julia_: some*

17:58:26 julia_: and I was kind enough to email him some advice :)

17:58:59 mircea_popescu: julia_ is this some kind of you're young and powerless and people just keep kicking you around so you figure everyone's gonna at the very least try or what.

17:59:15 julia_: and maybe you guys would have more fun trolling me to my face instead of drawing conclusions from my linkedin account

17:59:41 mircea_popescu: but when! and who! did that ?

18:00:08 mircea_popescu: !s julia linkedin

18:00:09 assbot: 0 results for 'julia linkedin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=julia+linkedin

18:00:44 julia_: haha

18:02:13 mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4

18:02:17 julia_: +danielpbarron

18:02:57 mircea_popescu: julia_ that it ? mkay. so outside of being an anarchist hottie, what is it you do ? and what is it you want to do ?

18:02:58 BlueMeanie4: hello from Murica

18:03:03 julia_: well this is underwhelming - disappointment sets in

18:03:19 mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 they let you in ?!

18:03:24 julia_: are you being sincere +mircea_popescu

18:03:29 mircea_popescu: julia_ yes.

18:03:34 mircea_popescu: the thing with me is that im sincere.

18:04:24 bounce: ah, you're sure you're not looking for abuse, down the hall?

18:04:30 mircea_popescu: lol

18:04:42 mircea_popescu: julia_ are you old enough to grok that reference incidentally ?

18:04:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6863 @ 0.00074485 = 5.1119 BTC [-]

18:05:42 julia_: I'm an anti-state propagandist maybe. I want to do what I can to move towards something different. I don't know what I CAN do yet, except learn through experimentation

18:06:00 mircea_popescu: oh i see where you were discussed.

18:06:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2014#839641

18:06:07 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2014 13:51:44; cazalla: seo marketer, anarchist, friend of jeff berwick and amir

18:06:21 julia_: I've only done into the btc black hole 4 months ago, but I don;t think I'll be coming out

18:06:43 julia_: I haven't done seo for years btw...

18:06:45 mircea_popescu: mkay, so what you want to do is get in the wot for one, and come up with something practical to do for the other.

18:07:14 julia_: And I find it odd that people think I'm a puppet. My content would be a lot better if I was...I hope

18:07:33 mircea_popescu: julia_ i wouldn't be too worried about it, half the kids on the internet claimed to be doing seo at some point in their life. it's like being cowboy for the 70s.

18:07:47 julia_: do I want to get in on wot, ..I haven't decided.

18:07:57 mircea_popescu: there's something to decide ?

18:08:18 julia_: hahahah i hated doing it. but I got my fam business ranked very well so w/e

18:08:20 chetty: nothing ventured julia_ is certainly nothing gained

18:08:40 bounce: you probably should anyway. with a bitcoin address if you're not into the gpg key waving thing

18:08:55 mircea_popescu: chetty more like, if she does next time someone makes a julia_ and starts talking here we can tell if it's her or not

18:09:10 julia_: ye +chetty indeed

18:09:20 chetty: there you go, being all practical and all

18:09:25 julia_: ye I get it i know

18:09:48 bounce: might as well ask an ircop (found in #freenode) to have nickserv release julia.

18:09:52 julia_: trust. i just dont see myself coming back often enough to bother

18:09:56 mircea_popescu: dude i can scarcely imagine the kingdom of flies this socialmedia internet must be if the first notion in the head of anyone is that they're going to be hated or something.

18:10:21 bounce: for verily, nickserv says: Registered : Sep 05 10:19:56 2012, Last seen : Sep 05 12:14:19 2012

18:10:31 mircea_popescu: julia_ you know this is where bitcoin happens. you're basically saying you'll be part of the extra-new-york counterculture or something

18:10:42 julia_: im just curious what you wanted to achieve with that email mircea

18:11:06 mircea_popescu: i wanted to see if you can do something meaningful or not ready yet.

18:11:15 julia_: is this where bitcoin happens? hmm what a claim. I see it happening elsewhere

18:11:21 mircea_popescu: so you think.

18:11:42 mircea_popescu: granted, an easy misapprehension to form.

18:12:00 julia_: I want to see if I can do something meaningful too. and it's better to do things when you're not ready. or else things will be stale

18:12:11 mircea_popescu: quite.

18:14:11 julia_: ""I believe in doing things too soon. In striking before the iron is hot, in leaping before one has looked, in loving before one has been introduced. Nearly all the great and exciting things in life have been done by men who did them too soon. It was far, far too soon for Columbus to set out on his crazy trip to the New World. The ether was not ready for Beethoven when he began a symphony on a dominant seventh. Shelley,

18:14:19 julia_: ^ much feels. :D

18:14:21 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << fraudsters ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes.

18:14:47 mircea_popescu: julia_ ok, so what is it you want to do ?

18:15:01 julia_: +cazalla nothing to say to me?

18:15:09 mircea_popescu: (course, shelley talks of men, not necessarily women, but hey, let's gloss)

18:15:15 mircea_popescu: he's prolly still asleep. aussie.

18:16:57 julia_: well if it's too soon, how can I know? :P I think ideas have to just manifest and find a vehicle. I'd like to be a vehicle for something that can affect change. maybe that will never happen...but process is fun. I've learned a lot...more to come I'm sure. I'm very raw still. so don't assume I think much of myself because I don't in fact that's the only thing that gets to me.

18:17:08 mircea_popescu: what, just in general, change ?

18:17:22 julia_: no- he was saying I was a puppet earlier :P

18:17:42 julia_: yes that's vague, change...

18:17:51 julia_: let me see here...how to phrase it

18:18:30 chetty: well being raw makes it easy for someone with more experience to pull the strings .. worht keep?ng an eye out

18:18:35 mircea_popescu: julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?

18:18:53 julia_: I think there's generational propaganda, different in every region. but if a minority of people escape the thinking they've been granted by states and the framework of their time, then they can build alternative systems.

18:19:17 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: should be "how else are we gonna tell them their password when they forget it?!" << totally.

18:19:20 julia_: +chetty oh now you're looking out for me? im autonomous. if I have any power, it's in that fact.

18:19:34 bounce: "thinking granted by the state"? o_O?

18:20:01 mircea_popescu: she paradoxically has a point there. a lot of low level / common man thinking happens as a linguistic and paralinguistic construct

18:20:11 julia_: ye, like everything else. people are born into systems thinking they owe those systems something, and they can;t fathom living a different way

18:20:15 mircea_popescu: as state controls kid education to a large degree...

18:20:25 chetty: wow, its a general statemant julia_ , I keep my eyes open too, lot of would be puppet masters out there

18:20:53 mircea_popescu: chetty really ?! i'd have thought there's not even a dozen that can be bothered.

18:20:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00074485 = 6.1823 BTC [-]

18:21:09 ben_vulpes: julia_: since you're falling down the black hole, have you dabbled in GPG yet?

18:21:20 chetty: well I didnt say good ones, mircea_popescu

18:21:25 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'll bet you she dunno know what it is.

18:21:37 mircea_popescu: -know

18:21:46 ben_vulpes: duknow

18:22:01 mircea_popescu: maybe pete should change his name again. pete duknow

18:22:08 mircea_popescu: !up julia_

18:22:13 bounce: yeah hm. AFAIK often enough not wilful propaganda. though there's states with lots of that too, of course.

18:22:41 mircea_popescu: what's willful even mean at that level.

18:22:51 bounce: more like prevailing strains of thought, like how n/w yurp education systems are typically filled with left-leaning do-gooders and the material reflects that

18:23:07 julia_: i use mailvelope

18:23:09 mircea_popescu: and how's this not wilful ?

18:23:19 julia_: and bitmessage

18:23:26 julia_: is that what u mean? encryption

18:23:26 mircea_popescu: julia_ why ?

18:23:30 thestringpuller: i thought bitmessage was dead...

18:23:40 ben_vulpes: julia_: can you encrypt and decrypt arbitrary strings with that or just emails?

18:23:41 bounce: lack of a central steering committee with clear agenda

18:23:44 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no because people are born in systems etc.

18:24:03 julia_: mailvelope is strictly a gmail addon i believe

18:24:19 mircea_popescu: julia_ look, they're both gimmicks. gpg is the actual core of bitcoin.

18:24:27 mircea_popescu: conceptually.

18:24:33 bounce: so it more or less arises from prevailing opinions floating around without concious decision to put it in. steering by unthinking.

18:24:57 ben_vulpes: julia_: there's no cost to WoT entry beyond showing up with keys. if you can decrypt a string encrypted to your public key, you can enter the WoT.

18:25:05 mircea_popescu: bounce yeah well, the unintrospected can still be wilful.

18:25:11 bounce: (perhaps the inverse of wilful un-thinking expected from the polit crowd in 1984)

18:25:22 julia_: I'm learning still. if you told me I'd be beta testing open bazaar a few months ago I'd just go wide eyed

18:25:36 ben_vulpes: but if you're stuck with a tool that holds you'll only ever want to en/decrypt emails, you've been sold a load.

18:25:46 ben_vulpes: (and i have an altcoin to sell you too ;P)

18:26:03 mircea_popescu: bridgecoin!

18:26:06 julia_: aight link me i'll go head and do it.

18:26:20 mircea_popescu: uhh the fuck was it.

18:26:24 mircea_popescu: ;;google first steps bitcoin assets

18:26:26 gribble: start [bitcoin assets wiki]: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx; ATO Provides First Guidance Note on Bitcoin - DigitalBTC: http://www.digitalbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/ATO-Provides-First-Guidance-Note- (1 more message)

18:26:28 ben_vulpes: ;;google first steps bitcoin-assets

18:26:29 gribble: start [bitcoin assets wiki]: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx; ATO Provides First Guidance Note on Bitcoin - DigitalBTC: http://www.digitalbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/ATO-Provides-First-Guidance-Note-on- (1 more message)

18:26:36 mircea_popescu: USELESS GOOGLE

18:26:40 ben_vulpes: dang.

18:26:45 bounce: what was it again, there's a few people, among them an activist married couple from texas, that have lots of undue influence in the content of schoolbooks in large parts of the us, because they influence the texas schoolboard with their personal agenda, then that cascades through the system by sheer force of purchase volume

18:26:53 ben_vulpes: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/

18:26:53 assbot: start [bitcoin assets wiki]

18:26:54 mircea_popescu: julia_ http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

18:26:54 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

18:26:54 julia_: nothing is that difficult. it's only a matter of bothering i find.

18:27:00 bounce: that'd be wilful.

18:27:03 ben_vulpes: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

18:27:03 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

18:27:12 mircea_popescu: lmao ben_vulpes stop copying me

18:27:21 ben_vulpes: lmao mircea_popescu stop copying me

18:27:22 mircea_popescu: this is wilful infringement of chatlines intellectual propertah

18:27:42 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx4jn77VKlQ

18:27:43 assbot: Cartman Respect My Authoritah - South Park - YouTube

18:27:44 ben_vulpes: there's only trolls in this channel!

18:27:57 ben_vulpes: what sort of non serious capital oriented blahblah tits etc

18:27:59 bounce: oh, I just copyrighted and trademarked wilful, so now you both owe me fiddy gazzillion dollahs

18:29:00 julia_: ty

18:29:35 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu sounds like cartman sometimes.

18:29:58 mircea_popescu: julia_ lemme explain the difference. all usable encryption is based on asymetric keys. this is a keyword you can look up.

18:30:04 mircea_popescu: gpg gives the end user control of the almighty keys

18:30:14 mircea_popescu: the bullshit nsa-sponsored solutions, whatever they may be called, do not.

18:30:32 ben_vulpes: ;;google ultimate gpg key

18:30:33 gribble: Creating the perfect GPG keypair - Alex Cabal: https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/; edit-key - GnuPG: https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/r899.html; gpg --batch --yes --edit-key trust - GnuPG and GNUTLS Mailing List ...: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2010-July/039213.html

18:30:40 mircea_popescu: this difference is as essential as the difference between linux and running proprietary ms code you can't modify or even read.

18:31:10 ben_vulpes: (julia_: that's a good place to start with creating your own keys and keeping them safe. this is just as important as keeping your btc privkey safe, if not more so.)

18:31:14 julia_: i have a PGP key, that's different ye?

18:31:24 bounce: neh. details.

18:31:26 ben_vulpes: well, "what's a key?"

18:31:42 ben_vulpes: the master? the decryption key? the signing key?

18:31:49 mircea_popescu: as long as you use gpg, you're an individual, and can be interacted with as such. as long as you use anything else, including nothing at all, you're not, and whatever you may like to think or claim, can never actually be interacted with as an individual, except if you live in a 1900s reenaction camp where the intenret doesn't exist.

18:31:56 mircea_popescu: julia_ not at all.

18:32:08 bounce: both should be openpgp format. there might be some differences in algorithms supported, but both should work together well enough.

18:32:12 mircea_popescu: exactly the same thing. pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof.

18:32:34 julia_: so my pgp sig is what you're talking about?

18:32:57 julia_: ok then I'm aware.

18:33:03 mircea_popescu: smart girl huh.

18:33:16 ben_vulpes: brought her around once upon a time for a reason mircea_popescu

18:33:28 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i magically have no recollection of this ?!

18:33:35 ben_vulpes: different handle back then

18:33:41 mircea_popescu: what was it ?

18:33:49 ben_vulpes: julia_: ?

18:33:57 julia_: ive had that for a while, i didn;t know this part "pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof." thanks

18:34:08 mircea_popescu: julia_ so what's your key fingerprint ?

18:34:40 chetty: http://twitchy.com/2014/09/22/irony-overload-check-out-what-the-nypd-used-to-pop-floodwallstreets-carbon-bubble/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

18:34:40 assbot: Irony overload! Check out what the NYPD used to pop #FloodWallStreet’s ‘carbon bubble’ [photos] | Twitchy

18:34:42 julia_: 5B51 A372 0F49 6281 ACA2 287E 1057 2E34 9297 B40F

18:34:49 mircea_popescu: i see you hav the public key published, but something like http://fraudsters.com/contact-pgp/ is better practice

18:34:50 assbot: Contact : PGP pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:34:50 mircea_popescu: aha ty

18:35:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.155075 = 0.6203 BTC [+] {3}

18:35:22 julia_: am I still a puppet? or maybe I'm actually interested in this stuff. hmmmm

18:35:28 mircea_popescu: so now you do ;;eregister [username] [pgp key LONG ID]

18:36:00 ben_vulpes: !s bravetheworld

18:36:01 assbot: 98 results for 'bravetheworld' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bravetheworld

18:36:22 mircea_popescu: oh anjie's friend ?

18:37:25 julia_: ah right so i did register ages ago?

18:37:26 mircea_popescu: julia_ how is miss castillo these days ?

18:37:32 bounce: ;;gpg info bravetheworld

18:37:33 gribble: No such user registered.

18:37:57 julia_: mk right - i remember now

18:37:59 bounce: doesn't have a search-by-keyid thingy, does it?

18:38:23 mircea_popescu: bounce yes it does.

18:38:30 julia_: ok where am i typing these commands? http://technerd.net/nickserv.html

18:38:31 assbot: NickServ allows you to

18:38:37 mircea_popescu: julia_ right in here.

18:38:43 mircea_popescu: julia_ seems you never did, and you're prolly well advised to register something like juliat or JuliaTourianski or w/e.

18:38:43 bounce: you prefix them with /msg nickserv

18:39:12 julia_: why do u advise that

18:39:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22642 @ 0.00074544 = 16.8783 BTC [+]

18:39:22 bounce: (or you do /query nickserv then take it from there)

18:39:33 mircea_popescu: because it'll save you the chagrin of working for a year as bitcoinpete only to change it later to pete d

18:39:49 julia_: ok so if i follow these instructions in the order it should be smooth http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

18:39:49 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

18:39:57 mircea_popescu: yes.

18:40:10 mircea_popescu: and if it isn't, feel free to post your hate here.

18:44:54 mircea_popescu: !up JuliaTourianski_

18:45:21 JuliaTourianski_: says my email is not valid

18:45:59 ben_vulpes: what's complaining about email hm?

18:46:13 mats_cd03: 14:14:38 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << fraudsters ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes.

18:46:29 mircea_popescu: !up olil3olli3

18:46:40 mats_cd03: and here i thought SEO was this thing aside from creating content

18:46:51 mats_cd03: guess not.

18:47:04 mircea_popescu: it is, but it's things like not putting a ton of meaningless markup and generally it's "not doing idiotic shit"

18:47:21 mircea_popescu: for most sane individuals most seo should be directly obvious

18:47:34 mircea_popescu: which makes it the direct equivalent of dating advice. something people living in the us need.

18:47:50 JuliaTourianski_: regarding seo, after hummingbird the emphasis on content and new content in particular was raised. sm as well

18:48:23 mircea_popescu: what's humingbird

18:48:45 JuliaTourianski_: i mostly did creative local seo, on page keywords and content rather than paying for off page seo

18:48:59 JuliaTourianski_: google releases updates in the way they rank websites

18:49:39 JuliaTourianski_: hummingbird was one that really hurt off page seo (like paying for links etc) because it made new content vital

18:49:47 mircea_popescu: when was this ?

18:49:57 JuliaTourianski_: ages ago

18:50:07 JuliaTourianski_: let me think...like last winter

18:50:14 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YDHKSQ.txt )

18:50:14 ben_vulpes: !b 2

18:50:17 mircea_popescu: ahahaha waht are you, 19 ?! last winter was ages ago ?

18:50:32 JuliaTourianski_: i haven;t done any significant seo since then so I don;t follow it now, im sure there have been more updates since

18:50:48 JuliaTourianski_: anyways- im trying to register and says email is invalid

18:50:56 mircea_popescu: who says ? nickserv ?

18:51:00 JuliaTourianski_: ye

18:51:10 JuliaTourianski_: -NickServ- [juliatourianski@gmail.com] is not a valid email address.

18:51:31 mircea_popescu: uh.

18:51:34 mircea_popescu: no []

18:51:43 mircea_popescu: those are metasyntactic characters.

18:51:46 kakobrekla: use <> instead

18:51:53 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla stop trolling the girl omg!

18:52:01 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ use nothing. go nude for it!

18:52:02 kakobrekla: sexist.

18:52:14 mircea_popescu: i am not sexist, i am straight.

18:52:16 kakobrekla: fuckin feminist mp.

18:52:17 mircea_popescu: the difference is negligible.

18:53:04 JuliaTourianski_: you guys know I have a anti-feminist series

18:53:14 mircea_popescu: is it any good ?

18:53:21 bounce: such antiism

18:53:28 mircea_popescu: antitism

18:54:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess i am probably the most feminist here.

18:54:20 []bot: Bet created: "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/

18:54:21 JuliaTourianski_: it's my biggest video

18:54:49 mircea_popescu: link ?

18:55:15 ben_vulpes: how many mb?

18:55:28 ben_vulpes: !up JuliaTourianski_

18:56:24 JuliaTourianski_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-LCohouNDc my wokr b4 bitcoin :P ahahah much embarrassment but ppl love the drama

18:56:25 assbot: Declare War on Feminism: The Body, Sex & Rape - YouTube

18:57:11 mircea_popescu: got the script anywhere?

18:58:38 JuliaTourianski_: ye somewhere

19:01:15 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 3(Y):97(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,994.

19:01:27 Duffer1: nubs? :P

19:02:20 mircea_popescu: so if silver actually falls under 15 it means the nominal value of the us pound would be like 240 dollars or so ?

19:02:28 mircea_popescu: uk pound*

19:02:44 mircea_popescu: not bad, 24`000% inflation in a century.

19:02:59 The20YearIRCloud: i'm curious how low silver can go

19:03:09 mircea_popescu: historically it ended up pretty low.

19:03:14 The20YearIRCloud: I'd love to buy some more ASEs

19:03:33 Duffer1: ase?

19:04:07 mircea_popescu: eagles

19:04:17 Duffer1: ah

19:04:39 mircea_popescu: definitely more practical "survival" coinage than the golden stuff.

19:04:53 mircea_popescu: course a bitch to handle, but hey.

19:06:08 JuliaTourianski_: ;;eregister JuliaTourianski_ 10572E349297B40F

19:06:10 The20YearIRCloud: Eh, a roll of silver dollars is pretty portable and decently valuable

19:06:12 gribble: Request successful for user JuliaTourianski_, hostmask JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/10572E349297B40F

19:06:18 The20YearIRCloud: enough now adays for two cases of ammo

19:06:19 ben_vulpes: *drumroll*

19:06:23 The20YearIRCloud: or a month's worth of groceries

19:06:33 []bot: Bet created: "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/

19:07:26 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud i dunno where you find your women, but a coupla hundred bucks doesn't buy a month's worth of groceries.

19:07:38 The20YearIRCloud: Does for us

19:07:44 The20YearIRCloud: we spend $100ish a week

19:07:46 ben_vulpes: they're midwestern groceries. mostly corn syrup.

19:07:48 mircea_popescu: o.O

19:07:57 mircea_popescu: $100 a week ?!

19:08:04 The20YearIRCloud: yes, all processed foods, HFCS and white bread

19:08:09 mircea_popescu: dude i gotta reevaluate oh.

19:08:15 Duffer1: that's about my food bill per week also

19:08:18 ben_vulpes: no meat, no veg. just foamed corn syrup with 'nutrients'.

19:08:27 The20YearIRCloud: My family of 4

19:08:32 mircea_popescu: yeah well. i think stuff is cheap here, but i go through anchoves, artichokes, fresh strawberries etc.

19:08:47 The20YearIRCloud: around here we buy and crush up a few multivitamins + flinstones chewables, and make into the HFCS syrup

19:09:00 ben_vulpes: hee hee

19:09:00 mircea_popescu: comes to about 1-2k a month, for a "family" of four.

19:09:21 The20YearIRCloud: By anchovies you mean caviar?

19:09:26 mircea_popescu: no, i mean anchovies.

19:09:35 mircea_popescu: it's this small fish.

19:09:43 The20YearIRCloud: they're pretty darn cheap here

19:09:46 The20YearIRCloud: maybe $4-$5/lb

19:09:49 mircea_popescu: in ohio ?!

19:09:55 The20YearIRCloud: artichokes are pretty cheap as well

19:09:56 The20YearIRCloud: Yeah

19:10:03 mircea_popescu: ohio is landlocked what are you talking about 5 bucks a lb

19:10:04 lobbes: not to mention property values are stupidly cheap in oh

19:10:16 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 3(Y):97(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,984.

19:10:24 The20YearIRCloud: Fish markets in columbus, they have fresh fish shipped in via air or same-day freight

19:10:36 The20YearIRCloud: We're less than a day away from the atlantic ocean, only 2 from the pacific

19:10:41 mircea_popescu: italian imports are about 10 bucks for 3 ounces./

19:11:05 The20YearIRCloud: I can go to columbus and get lobster/crab that was caught less than 36hrs prior to arriving here

19:11:16 mircea_popescu: less than 36 hours ?

19:11:20 The20YearIRCloud: About there

19:11:32 bounce: the wonders of cheap fuel

19:11:42 The20YearIRCloud: <12hrs from boat to truck, truck drive from say maine or somewhere is less than 12hrs here to Ohio

19:12:20 thestringpuller: Ohio isn't landlocked

19:12:25 mircea_popescu: i had good experiences with just caught lobster in boston.

19:12:27 The20YearIRCloud: We have lake erie

19:12:28 thestringpuller: Cleveland is a lack city.

19:12:33 lobbes: ohio has 'The North Coast'

19:12:33 thestringpuller: lake*

19:12:36 The20YearIRCloud: so all the walleye and perch you could ever hope for!

19:12:46 mircea_popescu: that's something. perch is pretty good.

19:13:04 The20YearIRCloud: It's about 2hrs from me, rent a boat and get all the perch you want for a $25 yearly permit

19:13:32 The20YearIRCloud: My brother-in-law was there in August, spent about 2 hours and caught the limit. He and his friends had 150kg of fish within 3 hours

19:14:31 mircea_popescu: i heard the us fish and wildlife's been spending a lot to repopulate inland waters.

19:15:17 The20YearIRCloud: Lake erie is fantastic, all the great lakes are. What's in trouble are coastal waters as the government has a pretty stupid deal to 'help' fishermen on the coats

19:15:21 The20YearIRCloud: *coasts

19:15:26 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud the moral of the story being something like, "it's the land of the thrifty" down there huh ?

19:15:40 The20YearIRCloud: They all run tax scams - Fish, sell fish tax free, claim no money on taxes and take government bailouts when all possible

19:16:22 mircea_popescu: sucks.

19:16:31 The20YearIRCloud: So, by the government's estimates, all fishermen are poor, so they should be free to do whatever they want, and laws are set up to prevent inland fisheries from producing farm-able fish

19:17:23 The20YearIRCloud: Like with that BP oil spill, there were hundreds, maybe thousands of fishermen that were all cash businesses who claimed only $50k on taxes, but in fact were doing $500k-$1m/year just themselves with a boat, and BP only re-embursed them based on what they claimed on taxes

19:17:38 mircea_popescu: haha

19:17:43 mircea_popescu: o so THAT's why so pissed off huh

19:18:07 The20YearIRCloud: I think Obama ended up saying they could go up to 3x of claimed taxes, maybe more. But what happened in the end many went under because they had been cheating taxes for 20+ years and it finally caught up with them.

19:18:33 The20YearIRCloud: Those that were honest, or had enough reserve capital to buy more boats and keep themselves through hard times (Katrina & the oil spill) are now doing fantastic

19:18:36 mircea_popescu: this us you speak of sounds more and more argentinian by the minute.

19:19:01 bounce: rejoice while there's still fish. apparently the aswan dam is doing its part in depopulating the mediteranean

19:19:14 thestringpuller: bounce is so pessimistic

19:19:16 ben_vulpes: yeah, except for the terrifying usg war machine.

19:19:20 mircea_popescu: bounce that dam was there for 50 years.

19:19:30 bounce: been busy for 50 years too

19:19:41 mircea_popescu: hardly, tbh.

19:19:47 The20YearIRCloud: There's tons of that, people don't understand how big cash business is in the US

19:19:54 mircea_popescu: just, 50 years ago the current interest to make egypt poor didn't quite exist.

19:20:03 The20YearIRCloud: i'd venture to say that 1/4th of all money paid in the US is via a non-taxable, cash event

19:20:22 JuliaTourianski_: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:13b5523f61f36a8137e4701bf2c86fcee94b6a2b5b134299d470cd26

19:20:23 gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user JuliaTourianski_ with key 10572E349297B40F

19:20:30 The20YearIRCloud: Are your anchovies imported fresh/live mircea_popescu ?

19:20:32 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud if that's true, which it could be depending how you define "economy", then the country is a lot more stable than it looks

19:20:35 mircea_popescu: even if its government isn't.

19:20:43 RagnarDanneskjol: I don't think there's that much paper cash in circulation

19:20:45 JuliaTourianski_: look. "Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user JuliaTourianski_"

19:20:51 Apocalyptic: well done

19:21:01 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud anchovies are eaten matured, which means, salted and kept in extra virgin olive oil for a dozen weeks

19:21:01 The20YearIRCloud: US is huge ,and hard to understand. The economy of my state alone is extraordinarily complex

19:21:03 JuliaTourianski_: teehee- where's my lollypop?

19:21:06 mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler

19:21:07 ben_vulpes: ;;ident

19:21:07 gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None

19:21:15 mircea_popescu: ;;ident JuliaTourianski_

19:21:15 gribble: Nick 'JuliaTourianski_', with hostmask 'JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.', is identified as user 'JuliaTourianski_', with GPG key id 10572E349297B40F, key fingerprint 5B51A3720F496281ACA2287E10572E349297B40F, and bitcoin address None

19:21:17 bounce: what's with the _ though?

19:21:21 mircea_popescu: rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.

19:21:22 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_,

19:21:22 Dimsler: bitcoin magazine editor from toronto?

19:21:22 ben_vulpes: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blod

19:21:24 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.

19:21:30 The20YearIRCloud: It's amazing how quickly we came out of a $1 billion dollar/year budget deficit to having a $2b surplus and cash in the bank

19:21:30 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:21:31 mircea_popescu: whose, gribbs.

19:21:34 The20YearIRCloud: Yet almost nothing was cut

19:21:37 ben_vulpes: mine, you missed the semis

19:21:41 The20YearIRCloud: in terms of state expenses.

19:21:50 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ now you can identify with gribble and self-voice by pm-ing assbot !up

19:21:52 mircea_popescu: try it.

19:21:53 ben_vulpes: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blood

19:21:55 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user JuliaTourianski_ has changed from 1 to 1.

19:22:04 mircea_popescu: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.

19:22:06 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.

19:22:14 The20YearIRCloud: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ why not?

19:22:15 gribble: Error: 'why' is not a valid integer.

19:22:18 Dimsler: what brings Julia to this channel?

19:22:29 The20YearIRCloud: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.

19:22:29 mircea_popescu: Dimsler amusingly enough, danielpbarron

19:22:30 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.

19:22:43 Dimsler: LOL

19:22:46 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes tried to do it but he FAILED because he SUCKS. whereas daniel inadvertently managed.

19:22:56 mircea_popescu: because he's a smooth operator.

19:23:50 JuliaTourianski_: lmircea made me

19:23:55 Dimsler: lol the toronto bitcoin meets are so damned bad

19:24:09 ben_vulpes: i failed?

19:24:11 JuliaTourianski_: daniel is in love with me. his love was magnetic

19:24:12 ben_vulpes: lolk

19:24:21 JuliaTourianski_: ye they r

19:24:25 The20YearIRCloud: that sounds messy

19:25:03 mircea_popescu: Dimsler why ?

19:25:18 Dimsler: its a marathon of misinformation and greed

19:25:21 The20YearIRCloud: I'd like to try some of the imported anchovies you're eating, compared to our welfare-state anchovies here

19:25:25 The20YearIRCloud: the $2/lb stuff

19:26:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1200 @ 0.000691 = 0.8292 BTC [-] {3}

19:26:26 RagnarDanneskjol: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 hottie

19:26:28 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.

19:26:31 The20YearIRCloud: Here's imported stuff for $25/lb - http://www.igourmet.com/shoppe/Italian-Anchovy-Fillets-in-Bail-Top-Glass-Jar.asp?src=froogle&gclid=CjwKEAjwkf-gBRCd-b2m2aOo0EQSJABMeQDkF69LJ1QQu-of7LFld4tRDH0DNwKhuJ1CJ21aIV1QvRoChXHw_wcB

19:26:39 mircea_popescu: ;;google buy agostino recca in ohio

19:26:39 gribble: Amazon.com : "Agostino Recca" Fillets of Anchovies : Packaged ...: http://www.amazon.com/Agostino-Recca-Fillets-Anchovies/dp/B004F7T49W; Anchovy My Baby - Slice: http://slicefoodinsights.com/anchovy-my-baby/; Taste Test: The Best Anchovy Fillets | Serious Eats: http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/10/taste-test-best-anchovies-anchovy-fillets-in-olive-oil.html

19:26:41 The20YearIRCloud: RagnarDanneskjol: you've seen her?

19:26:42 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud ^

19:26:48 RagnarDanneskjol: yes

19:26:58 Dimsler: i lately have been snatching up san marzano tomatoes

19:27:04 Dimsler: italian imports

19:27:06 Dimsler: for a good sauce

19:27:10 Dimsler: i swear you can't do it otherwise

19:27:11 mircea_popescu: ha ha ha you said snatching

19:27:11 The20YearIRCloud: http://www.ditalia.com/product/273/online-italian-gourmet-grocery-essentials?utm_source=google&utm_medium=CSE&utm_campaign=google&gclid=CjwKEAjwkf-gBRCd-b2m2aOo0EQSJABMeQDkBxcAsHM-cDAxboOoG1OS_YawQDXLIlMuoWwVMbo7ehoCDmfw_wcB

19:27:12 assbot: Pantry Essentials - Sicilian Anchovies in Oil

19:27:17 Dimsler: lol

19:27:24 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ type /query assbot then in the window so opened type !up

19:27:24 Dimsler: excuse the pun

19:27:49 Dimsler: i gotta get out of toronto, getting cabin fever over here

19:27:53 Dimsler: not sure if i can last another winter

19:28:00 mircea_popescu: you coming to teh conference ?

19:28:20 mircea_popescu: !up JuliaTourianski_

19:28:24 Dimsler: didn't the isle of man one just finish?

19:28:27 The20YearIRCloud: Here's anchovies off amazon for $7/lb - http://www.amazon.com/Agostino-Recca-Anchovies-Salted-Whole/dp/B0050ILYRA

19:28:28 assbot: Amazon.com : Agostino Recca Anchovies Salted Whole Anchovies : Packaged Anchovies : Grocery & Gourmet Food

19:28:28 Dimsler: wheres the next one

19:28:29 Dimsler: i need a get away

19:28:55 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, did ukraine in the summer

19:28:59 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud i guess im getting gypped.

19:29:03 Dimsler: was in khrakov when they shot the mayor

19:29:04 Dimsler: lol

19:29:07 mircea_popescu: $conference

19:29:08 empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.29826841 BTC (Details: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )

19:29:09 mircea_popescu: Dimsler ^

19:29:28 mircea_popescu: Dimsler did they shoot the deputy ?

19:29:32 JuliaTourianski_: ty for everyone's help - glad i bothered

19:29:38 Dimsler: well there was no sherrif

19:29:43 JuliaTourianski_: where do I put in my btc address?

19:29:48 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ seriously up yourself so you know you can do it.

19:29:58 Dimsler: my cyrillic is bad

19:30:04 JuliaTourianski_: !up JuliaTourianski_

19:30:09 Dimsler: but i snagged up a condo for $5kusd

19:30:22 Dimsler: and a dachia for $2k

19:30:31 Dimsler: mmm cheap war torn realestate

19:30:47 RagnarDanneskjol: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication#Registration

19:30:50 assbot: Bitcoin address authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki

19:31:03 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, you read dough casey?

19:31:17 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ gotta do it in pm

19:31:34 mircea_popescu: Dimsler notrly.

19:31:41 JuliaTourianski_: this means I had sex with Doug- http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/whether-you-love-or-hate-it-youre-missing-what-really-matters-about-bitcoin

19:31:42 assbot: Whether You Love It or Hate It, Youre Missing What Really Matters About Bitcoin | Casey Research

19:32:02 JuliaTourianski_: yup, i just did it :) ahah pm'ing myself felt counter intuitive

19:32:11 mircea_popescu: !down JuliaTourianski_

19:32:15 mircea_popescu: o hey.

19:32:21 The20YearIRCloud: I don't hear many good things from guys i've known who have gone to romania. (Specifically comments about money/economics)

19:32:35 mircea_popescu: depends where you go. bucharest is a cesspool.

19:32:41 The20YearIRCloud: Dimsler: where is this?

19:32:48 Dimsler: kharkov

19:32:55 The20YearIRCloud: seriously?

19:33:02 Dimsler: yeah man

19:33:03 The20YearIRCloud: that's amazing

19:33:03 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:33:12 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ so now that you're all set up into personhood, come up with something to do so that the almighty powers of the b-a can support you

19:33:12 Dimsler: i absolutely love eastern europe

19:33:24 Dimsler: spent the rest of my time in budapest

19:33:27 Dimsler: as overrated as it was

19:33:31 Dimsler: then back to krakow

19:33:34 mircea_popescu: shooting porn or what ?

19:33:37 The20YearIRCloud: I have a friend in bulgaria, he has some pretty cool things going on

19:33:55 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, LOL beat me to it

19:33:56 The20YearIRCloud: Specifically with eastern european agriculture

19:34:06 JuliaTourianski_: mircea_popescu I'll try, just for you

19:34:16 mircea_popescu: well bulgaria is like the world's gherkin capital.

19:34:26 JuliaTourianski_: Has anyone in here actually met me in person? Just curious

19:34:41 Dimsler: neg, i stay away from the toronto bitcoin nerds

19:34:43 Dimsler: they are just bad

19:34:44 mircea_popescu: you should be keeping the list!

19:34:54 Dimsler: no offence

19:34:58 JuliaTourianski_: it's too long

19:35:08 The20YearIRCloud: i'd like to go to the toronto bitcoin conference next time it's around. That way I can say i've been in a foreign country before :D

19:35:11 JuliaTourianski_: i hate decentral, no worries

19:35:22 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, ah then we have PLENTY in common

19:35:24 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud canada is not foreign and barely a country :D

19:35:28 Dimsler: i know

19:35:32 JuliaTourianski_: ye toronto conf was dope actually

19:35:32 The20YearIRCloud: It is for me :D

19:35:42 The20YearIRCloud: i can get poutine and bagged milk

19:35:59 mircea_popescu: is bagged milk a breast reference ?

19:36:08 Dimsler: the toronto conference was a regurgitation of miami

19:36:11 The20YearIRCloud: No, but it could easily (Maybe should) be

19:36:15 Dimsler: some of the bets btc meets i've had was in NYC

19:36:26 Dimsler: because you get alot of finance guys involved

19:36:33 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-HUDo7XQ4

19:36:33 assbot: Butters - "Do You Know What I Am Saying?" - YouTube

19:36:46 The20YearIRCloud: won't the next NYC conference require a license to attend?

19:37:01 mircea_popescu: no, it'll require a license to leave.

19:37:06 Dimsler: lol

19:37:15 Dimsler: will i have to send my assistant instead?

19:37:35 Dimsler: last time had a blast in nyc at the btc conference

19:37:44 Dimsler: ended up walking around manhattan at like 4am

19:38:43 JuliaTourianski_: ;;bcregister JuliaTourianski_ 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG

19:38:43 gribble: Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.

19:38:50 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, hahaha that episode is a classic

19:39:17 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ there's a special command to add an address if the acct is reg'd already

19:39:25 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, i'll fly out to argentina for that conference

19:39:38 mircea_popescu: Dimsler make sure you reg then!

19:39:51 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, is it failry anon?

19:40:01 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ ;;changeaddress

19:40:18 JuliaTourianski_: changeaddress

19:40:21 mircea_popescu: Dimsler well no, people generally know each other.

19:40:23 JuliaTourianski_: thats' what the wiki says

19:40:26 JuliaTourianski_: right

19:40:32 JuliaTourianski_: ;;changeaddress

19:40:33 gribble: (changeaddress <bitcoinaddress>) -- Changes your registered address to <bitcoinaddress>. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your new address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. You must be authenticated in order to use this command.

19:40:56 mircea_popescu: Dimsler how'd this go "hello everyone, pleased to meet you, i'm <snipped>" ? who are you meeting then.

19:41:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you said we don't have to register we can just show up

19:41:09 mircea_popescu: sure.

19:41:11 Dimsler: no i understand what you mean

19:41:24 thestringpuller: yay. send in the hobos!

19:41:27 JuliaTourianski_: (changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG)

19:41:28 thestringpuller: i kid i kid.

19:41:38 JuliaTourianski_: arg i feel so noobish.

19:41:44 mircea_popescu: check out the lisp chick.

19:42:01 mircea_popescu: ;;changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG

19:42:18 Dimsler: lol

19:42:21 JuliaTourianski_: ;;changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG

19:42:21 gribble: Request successful for user JuliaTourianski_, hostmask JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:183f6fd27c774070bb9152f6b72d592a8a5a07b24937afd0dbafce49

19:42:23 Dimsler: wait a minute

19:42:23 bounce: yes why doesn't gribble support s-expressions?!?

19:42:25 JuliaTourianski_: yay done

19:42:30 Dimsler: are you the brave the world chick?

19:42:31 bounce: not done

19:42:35 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you'll have to confirm it.

19:42:40 mircea_popescu: bounce i think it does

19:42:46 mircea_popescu: it has a ... PYTHON evaluator :D

19:42:48 JuliaTourianski_: well almost

19:43:11 JuliaTourianski_: ye brave the world

19:43:21 bounce: gribble is a bit stupid and nanotube won't change the confused wording there. yes I asked. oh well.

19:43:33 JuliaTourianski_: ok how do i confirm it

19:43:42 thestringpuller: nanotube is a ghost

19:43:44 JuliaTourianski_: it gave a challenge string

19:43:54 thestringpuller: he also doesn't acknowledge pull requests :P

19:44:03 RagnarDanneskjol: do you have an electrum wallet Julia?

19:44:06 bounce: you sign it with the bitcoin client, then feed the signature to bcverify

19:44:18 mircea_popescu: ;;seen nanotube

19:44:19 gribble: nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <nanotube> heh sure because 'nature' doesn't have volition to do anything 'deliberately' :)

19:44:23 mircea_popescu: not that ghostly.

19:44:30 JuliaTourianski_: yes electrum

19:44:47 RagnarDanneskjol: is the addreess you used from electrum?

19:45:04 RagnarDanneskjol: if so, right click your address >> sign/verify

19:45:50 RagnarDanneskjol: copy the entire string starting with "freenode:#......"

19:46:16 JuliaTourianski_: so i go into electrum console and i type in ....

19:46:38 RagnarDanneskjol: easier to just right click the address you used

19:46:47 JuliaTourianski_: i have the old version

19:47:10 RagnarDanneskjol: how old? - still believe you can right click addr to sign

19:47:14 JuliaTourianski_: oh sign verify msg?

19:47:20 RagnarDanneskjol: right

19:47:30 thestringpuller: is it similar to bitcoind?

19:47:37 RagnarDanneskjol: not really

19:48:08 JuliaTourianski_: wow. fucking cool.

19:48:24 JuliaTourianski_: i was wondering what that was for

19:48:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 201 @ 0.01125995 = 2.2632 BTC [-] {2}

19:48:27 RagnarDanneskjol: yes good times

19:49:02 JuliaTourianski_: now what command to I use to verify with the signature?

19:49:07 JuliaTourianski_: in here

19:49:23 thestringpuller: ;;bcverify

19:49:23 gribble: (bcverify <signedmessage>) -- Verify the latest authentication request by providing the <signedmessage> which contains the challenge string signed with your bitcoin address of record. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).

19:49:34 RagnarDanneskjol: yep that one

19:49:56 JuliaTourianski_: ;;bcverify G3nn80TtrApV3CjPg47bzTpWasmbOy0Yt+634HunWwuJcoe5kZ6mrAAD9epPR0fbyQF0UqEcGIJSrcgJEKborN4=

19:49:58 gribble: Successfully changed address for user JuliaTourianski_ from None to 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG. You are now authenticated for user 'JuliaTourianski_' with address 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG

19:49:59 RagnarDanneskjol: fyi julia - you can send all these messages to gribble in pm for future ref

19:50:06 Dimsler: yes

19:50:08 JuliaTourianski_: nice. ty all

19:50:16 Dimsler: please pm

19:50:25 JuliaTourianski_: ok. great

19:50:27 mircea_popescu: !up eizodo

19:51:18 JuliaTourianski_: !up RagnarDanneskjol

19:51:31 JuliaTourianski_: gah.

19:51:44 mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler

19:51:52 Dimsler: thanks

19:51:57 Dimsler: i gotta get out my original wallet

19:52:20 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - do you want chris to do anything else with the pool - he was looking for guidance?

19:52:23 mircea_popescu: srsly. you know you're being outdone by a noob girl over here.

19:52:30 Dimsler: lol

19:52:46 Dimsler: i have this thing linked to my originalest wallet ever

19:52:57 Dimsler: from like 2011

19:52:58 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol notrly for now, needs some time to run

19:53:03 JuliaTourianski_: will anyone b at the vegas inside btc?

19:53:05 RagnarDanneskjol: okee

19:53:13 RagnarDanneskjol: yes Julia - I will

19:53:13 eizodo: thanks

19:53:22 RagnarDanneskjol: me and my dogs

19:53:23 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ do you go to all of these ?

19:53:32 Dimsler: yeah i know

19:53:44 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, theres only like 1-2 a year worth going to

19:53:58 RagnarDanneskjol: vegas is a good one

19:54:12 JuliaTourianski_: ive only been to 3 conferences

19:54:18 Dimsler: the rest of them are just right back to introductionary speaches and covering the same topic a million times

19:54:38 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you know i'm still looking for a mpex mascot.

19:54:41 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, have you done nyc?

19:54:48 mircea_popescu: bwahaha the gems in the log.

19:54:49 mircea_popescu: 22:23:09 hanbot: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did paranoia or w/e it's called lose any bitcoin this month yet ? << llamacea

19:54:49 mircea_popescu: 22:23:50 mircea_popescu: hanbot o right. pannacotta

19:54:50 JuliaTourianski_: im mostly going to meet up with P byrne to be honest...not the gambling at all

19:55:29 JuliaTourianski_: I tend to go for the people not the conference..i maybe listen to 1 speech usually

19:55:41 danielpbarron: ;;rate JuliaTourianski__ 1 https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld

19:55:43 assbot: YOUR HYDRA (BraveTheWorld) | Twitter

19:55:43 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

19:55:45 Dimsler: come do nyc with us

19:55:52 mircea_popescu: The South-Western Bathhouse Local family business in Mississauga, Ontario << is this the canadian equivalent of the mystical massage parlour ?

19:55:56 JuliaTourianski_: ill be in NYC right after vegas

19:56:00 Dimsler: nyc or argentina to meet good ol mircea in person

19:56:11 mircea_popescu: What that did - average of 100 daily hits o.O

19:56:17 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, i do the russian bathhouse in york

19:56:19 Dimsler: it is awesome

19:56:30 Dimsler: good steam does the body good

19:56:33 kakobrekla: whats with the name calling, is it better if i call it MKLF next time?

19:56:35 JuliaTourianski_: I own a russian bathhouse mircea_popescu

19:56:38 mircea_popescu: Dimsler im not old enough for bathhouses yet

19:56:43 danielpbarron: JuliaTourianski_, glad to see you joined :D

19:56:46 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, lol oh common

19:56:50 Dimsler: i'm not old either

19:56:50 mircea_popescu: lol

19:56:53 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, which one?

19:57:03 JuliaTourianski_: banya.ca

19:57:20 Dimsler: lol no way?

19:57:24 The20YearIRCloud: in russia or canada?

19:57:25 JuliaTourianski_: way

19:57:41 Dimsler: how does this place compare to the one in york?

19:57:42 JuliaTourianski_: I took cody wilson and amir there

19:57:43 The20YearIRCloud: i wonder if that'd do well in Columbus or cleveland

19:57:56 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud in columbus quite likely.

19:58:16 The20YearIRCloud: cleveland has a pretty big russian population compared to columbus though

19:58:19 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, what do you get for clients?

19:58:37 Dimsler: the york one is nothing but gangsters and shadyness

19:58:50 Dimsler: which is entertaining as hell

19:58:55 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah but probably easier to break into the market on the novelty angle.

19:59:08 The20YearIRCloud: yeah

19:59:11 mircea_popescu: a settled russian population either has its own and won't use yours or does without and won't use yours.

19:59:28 The20YearIRCloud: Granted what I want here/columbus is a nice steakhouse that gets their meat locally, rather than from China or 500mi aways

19:59:29 Dimsler: my russians been getting worse and worse

19:59:37 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler started out mostly russians, then I did my seo/marketing magic and now it's 60% canadians 40% russians

19:59:44 The20YearIRCloud: nice

19:59:51 Dimsler: they taught us russian in school

20:00:03 JuliaTourianski_: which = good cuz russians are cheap and difficult :P

20:00:11 Dimsler: lol

20:00:17 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ only the boys.

20:00:20 mircea_popescu: the girls are cheap and easy.

20:00:20 The20YearIRCloud: Now you can sell the canadians overpriced russian food

20:00:26 Dimsler: the girls rock

20:00:45 Dimsler: probably some of the most realistic attitudes

20:00:45 JuliaTourianski_: you would know

20:00:56 mircea_popescu: Dimsler plus can drink.

20:01:03 Dimsler: lol well i'm polish

20:01:08 Dimsler: so the polish girls can drink too

20:01:11 JuliaTourianski_: +The20YearIRCloud our food is very underpriced actually

20:01:17 Dimsler: but too westernized and complacant

20:01:20 mircea_popescu: ;;import polish_jokes.h

20:01:21 gribble: Error: "import" is not a valid command.

20:01:22 The20YearIRCloud: Then you should overprice it for locals :D

20:01:42 mircea_popescu: it should be, gribble.

20:01:48 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, will defeintly check this place out

20:01:52 Dimsler: i've heard about it

20:02:16 The20YearIRCloud: maybe you can get a glorious discount if paid in bitcoins/litecoins

20:02:27 Dimsler: lol do you accept btc?

20:02:30 JuliaTourianski_: +The20YearIRCloud my dad refuses. he used to charge only 9 bucks for hand made sausages + sides that no one could finish cuz the portion was so large

20:02:46 The20YearIRCloud: Does he run it and you help manage?

20:02:46 Dimsler: holy cow

20:02:49 Dimsler: the food menu looks delicious

20:02:58 The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, it does look good, russian is good stuff

20:03:02 The20YearIRCloud: only had it twice though :(

20:03:02 JuliaTourianski_: yes we are accepting BTC this season :)

20:03:08 mircea_popescu: almost as good as romanian :D

20:03:29 The20YearIRCloud: I wouldn't know romanian if my life depended on it

20:03:32 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler ty all home made, original recipes, feature in savour mag :)

20:04:00 Dimsler: next time i'm in missy i'm goign to check this out

20:04:39 JuliaTourianski_: +The20YearIRCloud my parents run it, I manage it and do all the marketing/sm/website I make the cake and do the drinks, manage the beer etc.

20:04:43 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud they're total sluts. polenta ? romanian traditional dish, according to romanians. sarmali ? check. baklava ? check. blinyi ? check. etc.

20:04:51 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler please do

20:04:59 The20YearIRCloud: i thought baklava was greek

20:05:04 Dimsler: neg

20:05:06 mircea_popescu: quite.

20:05:18 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler ill beat you with a venik

20:05:19 mircea_popescu: romanians just steal all the foods.

20:05:19 Dimsler: i thought it was turkish?

20:05:27 bounce: "manage the beer". sounds like a heady job, eh.

20:05:44 mircea_popescu: yeah i gotta refine my rating here.

20:05:51 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu they generally steal

20:06:13 JuliaTourianski_: +bounce guilty

20:06:24 mircea_popescu: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 Manages the beer for a family owned Russian bathouse with handmage sausages in Mississauga.

20:06:26 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user JuliaTourianski_ has changed from 1 to 1.

20:06:26 Dimsler: well everyone stole pączki from us

20:06:50 The20YearIRCloud: they're really catching on Dimsler

20:07:14 mircea_popescu: paczki are romanian.

20:07:19 mircea_popescu: ;;google pogacele reteta

20:07:20 Dimsler: lies

20:07:20 gribble: Pogacele cu jumari ~ bucatar maniac: http://www.bucatarmaniac.ro/2010/01/pogacele-cu-jumari.html; BUCATE ROMÂNEŞTI on Pinterest: http://www.pinterest.com/marianaungurean/bucate-rom%C3%A2ne%C5%9Fti/; Placinte on Pinterest | 159 Pins: http://www.pinterest.com/radomia/placinte/

20:07:26 mircea_popescu: BUCATE ROMANESTI bitch

20:07:34 mircea_popescu: that means like supertraditional we invented it foodstuffs.

20:08:18 Dimsler: yes i know

20:08:20 mircea_popescu: (tbh, these were stolen in the 1600s)

20:08:27 Dimsler: i have lots of romanian friends

20:08:30 The20YearIRCloud: the nice thing about the US is the variety of ethnic foods we get

20:08:40 The20YearIRCloud: Most europeans haven't had the chance ever to try Mexican

20:08:48 The20YearIRCloud: Well, texicanized mexican

20:08:59 mircea_popescu: plenty of mexican restaurants in yurp

20:09:02 Dimsler: The20YearIRCloud, for once, i'd like to sit down and have a real steak or chicago style pizza anywhere in europe

20:09:12 The20YearIRCloud: I looked at how many were in the UK and it was pretty low

20:09:21 The20YearIRCloud: you're not missing out on the c hicago pizzas :(

20:09:24 Dimsler: i would do the btc vegas conference just to eat at carnevino

20:09:40 mircea_popescu: see los mexikas in vienna if there.

20:09:47 The20YearIRCloud: Ever try a brazilian steakhouse?

20:09:53 Dimsler: yesss

20:10:02 The20YearIRCloud: we've got at least 2 in columbus now

20:10:10 The20YearIRCloud: One does brunch for $21.95 and it's amazing

20:10:10 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:10:35 The20YearIRCloud: http://www.rodiziogrill.com/

20:10:38 assbot: Rodizio Grill - The Brazilian Steakhouse

20:10:50 mthreat: i once saw a "Texan" restaurant in belgium. The menu looked nothing like any food I'd ever seen in Texas.

20:11:12 The20YearIRCloud: what'd they serve?

20:11:20 The20YearIRCloud: I imagine it's like the 'australian' places we have here

20:11:29 mircea_popescu: what is even "texan" food ?

20:11:56 Dimsler: fried pigs feet

20:12:01 The20YearIRCloud: part of it is texmex, the other is beef-oriented American with most of it trending towards BBQ

20:12:37 mthreat: mircea_popescu: good question, there are several kinds of popular food... tex-mex, bbq, mexican, etc

20:12:58 mircea_popescu: kinda what i figured.

20:13:20 mircea_popescu: i spent some time in mexico, loved the food, but didn't impress me as being specific in any wya.

20:13:21 mthreat: but in general, it seems like ethnic food gets worse the further away it gets from the origin. I;m sure there are exceptions,

20:13:22 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu what happened to ur twatter account

20:13:27 mircea_popescu: shit. texas i mean.

20:13:33 mircea_popescu: i also spent time in mexico, and yes, that's a thing.

20:13:46 JuliaTourianski_: tiramisu is shit in italy.

20:13:50 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ i killed some derp and they got pissy.

20:14:52 Dimsler: lol

20:14:54 Dimsler: twatter

20:15:36 Dimsler: good riddance

20:15:48 Dimsler: not sure why you bothered with that form of clownery

20:16:06 X-Rob: I've been watching 'Miranda' over the weekend. It's amazingly hilarious. English show, has three seasons of 6 episodes each.

20:16:06 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:16:18 mircea_popescu: Dimsler because like five or so years ago some chicks i was hanging with all made one and kept pestering me.

20:16:26 X-Rob: Highly Recommended.

20:16:29 Dimsler: see

20:16:31 jurov: i once tried taco bell in.. canada. not a fond memory.

20:16:34 Dimsler: got peer pressured

20:16:45 The20YearIRCloud: taco bell is novelty food

20:16:46 mircea_popescu: then they broke the interface, i took a break, forgot about it, then rediscovered it after a coupla years and reused it for i dunno, a few months

20:17:02 The20YearIRCloud: do you have any chipotles in romania?

20:17:09 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud nope

20:17:19 mircea_popescu: romanians are very particular about no bleeding assholes.

20:19:39 bounce: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29310475

20:19:40 assbot: BBC News - Rockefellers to switch investments to 'clean energy'

20:19:44 mthreat: http://damelamochila.tk/

20:19:44 assbot: DAME LA MOCHILA

20:19:55 Duffer1: ya saw that bounce

20:19:56 mircea_popescu: is it memeizing ?

20:20:10 Duffer1: 50b divestment

20:20:14 mircea_popescu: it really should be damelamochisha.amigo

20:20:37 Duffer1: i'd be curious to see how small a fraction of their total holdings that is

20:20:52 bounce: do some research

20:20:57 The20YearIRCloud: bounce: that's their philanthropic(sp) group

20:21:01 Duffer1: i'm not that curious :P

20:21:19 The20YearIRCloud: It's not a huge number from what i read the other day, like $50m

20:21:34 Duffer1: b not m

20:22:15 The20YearIRCloud: No , that was their energy holdings or estimated investment in renewables

20:22:27 mircea_popescu: "The philanthropic organisation was founded in 1940 by the sons of John D Rockefeller. As of 31 July 2014, the fund's investment assets were worth $860 million."

20:22:35 mircea_popescu: so, no 50bn

20:22:49 The20YearIRCloud: From what i had read, only a specific branch of their total investment fund was going to go to clean energy, and it was a low number

20:22:58 mircea_popescu: i have nfi if the people involved can rightly represent the impact of some millions in what's being discussed.

20:23:10 The20YearIRCloud: The actual fund they have (The $50b) fund has made no commitmenets to any sort of renewable energy investments

20:23:18 mircea_popescu: china does 1 trn worth of coal plants a year.

20:23:30 bounce: who's going to buy those $50e9 of fossil fuel assets? also, tin foil hat time: apparently they think it's time to get out, so peak oil

20:23:55 The20YearIRCloud: like peak copper in the 70s

20:24:02 mircea_popescu: bounce everyone, basically.

20:24:23 Duffer1: the article i read sounded like they plegded a 50b divestment

20:24:32 Duffer1: pledged even

20:24:40 The20YearIRCloud: they were wrong

20:24:41 bounce: guys, add an n to the b if you have to go there.

20:24:42 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

20:25:16 The20YearIRCloud: Every time i dive into renewable energy numbers I always find a pile of lies

20:25:18 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

20:25:19 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.13, Best ask: 402.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.84000, Last trade: 402.13, 24 hour volume: 12796.14663601, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 409.38, 24 hour vwap: 400.367047136

20:25:32 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud funny how that works the same for me!

20:25:36 mircea_popescu: i wonder why this would be.

20:25:44 The20YearIRCloud: Almost like it's run by marketing firms

20:26:05 Duffer1: i see it's not them alone

20:26:10 Duffer1: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29310475

20:26:10 assbot: BBC News - Rockefellers to switch investments to 'clean energy'

20:26:17 mircea_popescu: marketing firms that know nobody's going to jail for al gore's carbon credits mob deal.

20:26:32 The20YearIRCloud: And that it's a easy pill to sell to idiot individuals

20:26:57 bounce: it's going to need a lot of money to beef up the "renewable" tech tho

20:27:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0075 = 3.75 BTC [+]

20:27:12 mircea_popescu: bounce and not a bad way to spend some money, at that.

20:27:21 The20YearIRCloud: What's $50b out of total worldwide investments of 50 trillion?

20:27:30 mircea_popescu: 0.1%

20:27:38 The20YearIRCloud: All smoke and mirrors to try and make renewables work better

20:27:50 The20YearIRCloud: I'm not completely opposed to renewables, but the renewables that actually work aren't the ones that anyone talks about

20:27:58 mircea_popescu: srsly, energy research is not a bad idea nor a bad goal.

20:28:11 The20YearIRCloud: Anyone that talks about photovoltaics and windmills as a answer to anything should be immediately ignored

20:28:11 mircea_popescu: it could do without all the idiotic derpage it's currently wrapped in of course.

20:28:33 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud cells might eventually work.

20:28:33 mats_cd03: solar works plenty, and it gets lots of talk.

20:28:37 Duffer1: political packaging :/

20:28:51 bounce: time to set up a research institute and write some billionaires for research funding, then buy up all the patents and the research groups and make them work together

20:28:53 The20YearIRCloud: And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands

20:28:54 mircea_popescu: and windmills work excellently in some very narrow cases. much like hydro.

20:29:07 mats_cd03: lifetime eroi is higher than nuclear iirc (~5x?)

20:29:16 The20YearIRCloud: Hydro is leaps and bounds better than solar or wind, yet many environmentalists hate it

20:29:37 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud hydro only works where you have a river ; wind only works where you have ... the equivalent phenomenon, in the air fluid.

20:29:38 The20YearIRCloud: depends on how you calculate nuclear

20:29:42 mats_cd03: hydro talk is stupid, thats why

20:29:45 mircea_popescu: but where that is satisfied, they work.

20:29:50 JuliaTourianski_: solar is halving in price quite quickly and getting more and more powerful exponentially...wind is iffy. take a lot to maintain. costly. ugly. kills the eagles :P

20:29:58 mats_cd03: everything that can be dammed already has been, for the most part.

20:30:04 bounce: so what's the exponent? :-p

20:30:11 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 that doesn't make it not work.

20:30:25 The20YearIRCloud: And places like hoover dam work extraordinarily well

20:30:36 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ it's not really that exponential. and the price is a minute consideration, the cost is the main point.

20:30:37 mats_cd03: didn't dispute it works. just not interesting.

20:30:54 bounce: dams apparently aren't worth the costs long run, in terms of environmental impact and failure to deliver on the improvement of life for the locals promise

20:30:55 mircea_popescu: well sure, not interesting, that depends on your interests :p

20:30:56 The20YearIRCloud: "interesting" shouldn't be a point of conversation about anything energy related

20:31:05 mircea_popescu: bounce neither of these are criteria.

20:31:13 mats_cd03: its okay, .cn will solve this in three decades

20:31:15 bounce: oh yes they are.

20:31:20 mircea_popescu: the criteria are, energy used to erect, energy delivered after erection.

20:31:26 The20YearIRCloud: Yes, they will start using people as fuel

20:31:32 mircea_popescu: the locals can get fucked, with their hopes aspirations and expectations of "promises"

20:31:35 mircea_popescu: nobody's promising jack.

20:31:42 JuliaTourianski_: once the energy issue is solved (housing, water filtration, food, medicine is all basically there) then maybe fuller will be proven right...and without reliance on gov infrastructure we can escape political systems altogether

20:31:43 mats_cd03: via selling commercial portable fission reactor designs to the rest of the world at a nice markup

20:31:44 The20YearIRCloud: Well, higher prices

20:31:58 The20YearIRCloud: Our local power co-op is seriously looking at small nukes

20:32:20 mats_cd03: thats nice. 'looking'.

20:32:27 JuliaTourianski_: I just did a cool interview with viney gupta on the subject, editing now actually. first time ive been hopeful in a while

20:32:33 The20YearIRCloud: Their lifetime cost even with installation and maintainence costs is under 4c per KWH

20:32:44 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud unless they blow up.

20:32:49 The20YearIRCloud: and it reduces total grid costs which can be another 1-2c per KWH that has to be accounted for

20:33:04 The20YearIRCloud: These are the ones that use the thorium fluid, they're between a traditional reactor and a RTG

20:33:10 Duffer1: JuliaTourianski_ on solar or renewables in general?

20:33:12 mircea_popescu: a those things

20:33:38 The20YearIRCloud: The big thing is you don't have to install high power lines, buy easements, hire helicopter crews to fly over lines for obstructions and so on

20:33:44 The20YearIRCloud: So the grid costs go down severely

20:34:38 JuliaTourianski_: +Duffer1 on the entire picture of our future, and how engineering/tech will impact us politically

20:35:33 JuliaTourianski_: first part is about crypto specifically, vid next week will be about what we're discussing here http://youtu.be/KybZAEm0stY

20:35:33 assbot: Engineers vs.Thugs: the Power of Bitcoin, Cryptography &Tech - YouTube

20:36:01 mircea_popescu: "the entire picture of our future" ?

20:36:29 JuliaTourianski_: the guy is pretty cool. created open source housing

20:36:32 JuliaTourianski_: hexyert

20:37:08 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu no, in relation to how tech will shape it, especially in the "3rd world"

20:37:16 mircea_popescu: "Hello! If you're going to Burning Man, have a great burn, and welcome to our Financial Times readers too." ?

20:37:30 JuliaTourianski_: ye burner love the hexyert

20:37:52 JuliaTourianski_: hexayurt*

20:38:37 mircea_popescu: ok so basically this is a cheap temporary shelter solution ?

20:40:14 JuliaTourianski_: very cheap. every person in the world can have one without enviro impact. +mircea_popescu

20:40:23 mats_cd03: heh

20:40:28 mircea_popescu: what's very cheap ? 7 dollars/lb ?

20:40:32 JuliaTourianski_: but it can be made out of things other than plywood for permanent housing

20:41:24 JuliaTourianski_: For hexayurts fabricated from four-by-eight foot sheets of foam or hexacomb cardboard and duct tape, the cost has been estimated at $1,000 each (compared to $30,000 for a FEMA trailer). Hexayurts fabricated from OSB and wooden blocks can cost as little as $250–300.

20:41:50 JuliaTourianski_: open source is key

20:42:09 The20YearIRCloud: Skilled builders is key

20:42:28 bounce: how's that? what's the fema paying in "intellectual property" licensing for its trailers then?

20:42:29 The20YearIRCloud: Shelters are easy to build, problem is lack of education/understanding, look at how many die in Africa due to cholera

20:43:53 mircea_popescu: yeah the builders matter.

20:44:29 JuliaTourianski_: anyone can build these things

20:44:44 The20YearIRCloud: One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery

20:44:47 JuliaTourianski_: and thers water filters for 100 bucks that can filter virus and bacteria now

20:45:00 The20YearIRCloud: Sure they can, if they know how to do it, but it's always amazing how many people out there don't understand a dang thing

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20:45:17 The20YearIRCloud: You can make a water filter for nothing that filters 99.99% of all contaminants

20:45:17 JuliaTourianski_: world will be saved via compost toilets :P

20:45:46 The20YearIRCloud: Compost toilets are fine, any kind of containment system for sewage is just fine, but half the world doesn't realize that keeping your septic and your water in the same place is a bad thing

20:46:22 bounce: well, nasa has a fix for that

20:46:32 The20YearIRCloud: I have a fix for that too - simple education

20:46:46 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you built one ?

20:46:48 bounce: piffle. HIGH TECHNOLOGY is the way, I'm telling you

20:46:52 ben_vulpes: hexayurts are incredibly poorly engineered.

20:47:01 kakobrekla: 'ghash' sound linda like 'jihad'?

20:47:01 bounce: like, in-orbit high. anything less just won't do.

20:47:11 The20YearIRCloud: I'm teaching a class on basic mechanics/machines, and it's amazing how many people out there don't understand how anything works

20:47:11 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:47:15 ben_vulpes: http://rigsomelight.com/2013/09/09/frameless-geodesic-dome.html

20:47:16 assbot: Frameless Geodesic Dome

20:47:18 JuliaTourianski_: +ben_vulpes what makes u say that

20:47:20 ben_vulpes: (linked previously)

20:47:26 kakobrekla: *kinda

20:47:27 ben_vulpes: having been in them.

20:47:42 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu dont need one, but I'm sure i could. im very handy. wish i was more techy isntead but hey.

20:47:46 JuliaTourianski_: instead*

20:47:48 ben_vulpes: i mean - did we learn nothing from Buckminster Fuller?

20:48:21 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ well yes but these aren't statements of the same strength. the problem being that the difference between theory and practice is narrower in theory than it is in practice.

20:48:27 mircea_popescu: this readily recurses into divergence.

20:48:34 assbot: Dimsler +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

20:48:39 mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler

20:48:48 JuliaTourianski_: +ben_vulpes the point is to easily build it. domes are much harder

20:48:58 Dimsler: wait

20:49:01 Dimsler: whats assbots problem

20:49:05 The20YearIRCloud: ben_vulpes: where are you getting the corugated plastic from?

20:49:07 mircea_popescu: ;;ident Dimsler

20:49:08 gribble: Nick 'Dimsler', with hostmask 'Dimsler!~dimsler@', is identified as user 'Dimsler', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1NQqDhT9kvXD8vtUyPZmhr935EzyW2ybjU

20:49:13 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Dimsler

20:49:14 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Dimsler!~dimsler@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user Dimsler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Dimsler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Dimsler | Rated since: Tue Oct 22 13:51:07 2013

20:49:18 JuliaTourianski_: +ben_vulpes vinay loves fuller

20:49:19 mircea_popescu: Dimsler you need wot rating.

20:49:33 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud ebay!

20:50:13 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Dimsler 1 New blood

20:50:14 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Dimsler has been recorded.

20:50:15 mircea_popescu: there, try now.

20:50:37 Dimsler: excellent

20:50:38 Dimsler: finally

20:51:16 ben_vulpes: JuliaTourianski_: you've not bothered to read the link, i gather.

20:51:21 mircea_popescu: so how do the plates stick together anyway ?

20:51:26 mircea_popescu: bolted or what

20:51:32 ben_vulpes: bolted, yeah.

20:51:44 mircea_popescu: and if windy ?

20:51:57 ben_vulpes: load condition?

20:52:08 mircea_popescu: i dunno, 10kpa

20:52:09 Dimsler: are people going to be living in this shit?

20:52:10 ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: you can use plywood.

20:52:19 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean separation of panels? lifting of the thing?

20:52:20 Dimsler: you have better chance of convince people into living in shipping containers

20:52:26 The20YearIRCloud: I'm just trying to find information on the plasdtic

20:52:27 The20YearIRCloud: *plastic

20:52:33 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that thing ain't lifting off.

20:52:37 mircea_popescu: it's falling apart.

20:52:38 Dimsler: aggregates and building materials to build proper shelter is cheap

20:52:40 The20YearIRCloud: Because that dome would essentially be shelter, absolutely no protection from heat or cold

20:52:43 Dimsler: its the man power that is unaffordable

20:52:53 Dimsler: refer to the restoration of Rome

20:53:00 ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: so double-shell it.

20:53:03 RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch

20:53:08 ben_vulpes: jesus it's like engineering never happened around here.

20:53:10 The20YearIRCloud: Let me find the exact R value

20:53:31 The20YearIRCloud: Just checked, and the R value of double-shelling would be 4

20:53:38 ben_vulpes: plus straw?

20:53:41 mircea_popescu: 4 is better than 0.

20:53:45 ben_vulpes: also source?

20:53:47 Dimsler: lol nobody is going to live in that.

20:53:52 The20YearIRCloud: https://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/prod1;ft_corrugated_sheets_panels;pg102948.html

20:53:54 assbot: 4mm Twin-Wall Corrugated Plastic 8' Wide - FarmTek

20:53:58 mircea_popescu: Dimsler people with no other option.

20:54:05 The20YearIRCloud: The minimum R value for wall insullation (not ceiling mind you) in the US is now in the area of 25-30

20:54:12 ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: double-shell implies an air insulation layer

20:54:15 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yes but this is for africa neh ?

20:54:24 Dimsler: in africa theres plenty of access to clay

20:54:26 ben_vulpes: this has heat xfer implications that you've not considered.

20:54:26 Dimsler: and clay structures

20:54:27 The20YearIRCloud: R value of the air insullation isn't going to be that great, maybe 10

20:54:34 mircea_popescu: Dimsler clay is slow to work tho

20:54:36 The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: and if you had few/no temperature swings it'd be fine

20:54:41 Dimsler: i don't see them smelt plastic and mould injecting domes

20:54:50 ben_vulpes: oh yeah shit

20:54:54 The20YearIRCloud: Clay works fine, heck even straw will be better, one US sized bale of straw has a R value of 9-10

20:54:56 ben_vulpes: i really need a pressed shitboard housebox

20:55:10 ben_vulpes: made by a giant corporation in the business of fabbing horrible shitboard boxes

20:55:11 Dimsler: The20YearIRCloud, exactly

20:55:14 The20YearIRCloud: Those houseboxes are about the same in terms of performance

20:55:15 ben_vulpes: for a retarded markup

20:55:19 Dimsler: wait

20:55:23 Dimsler: if we are all in agreement

20:55:23 The20YearIRCloud: How many of you here live in brick houses?

20:55:30 mircea_popescu: from what i gathered here the pro argument was that these take less man-hours to put up than an actual construction.

20:55:30 Dimsler: then who the hell is talking about these idiotic eco homes?

20:55:37 The20YearIRCloud: Brick is how many centuries old?

20:55:39 The20YearIRCloud: How old is cement?

20:55:45 Dimsler: The20YearIRCloud, exactly

20:55:59 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud cement is actually older than they think.

20:56:02 mircea_popescu: the romans used it.

20:56:04 The20YearIRCloud: It's not cutting edge stuff by any standard whatsoever. So why bother with air layers, straw, high strength plastics?

20:56:08 Dimsler: oh thats Julia girl was talking about it

20:56:14 Dimsler: man thats ridicluous

20:56:31 Dimsler: nobody is going to live in that

20:56:39 The20YearIRCloud: You can teach a bunch of low/no education people how to make bricks in a week or two, and in a month show them how to make a house that will last 50-100 years

20:56:48 mircea_popescu: Dimsler 1k kids for two days of booze and sexting at burning man ?

20:56:54 Dimsler: LOL

20:57:02 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud problem is it takes them about a month to build it.

20:57:04 Dimsler: they can buy regular tents?

20:57:13 The20YearIRCloud: How long does it take to mail plastic sheeting to Africa?

20:57:15 Dimsler: if south africa has taught us anything during the aparthide

20:57:22 Dimsler: is the white man should just leave the blacks alone

20:57:28 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah well.

20:57:41 ben_vulpes: or a thing that i can knock together in the middle of nowhere for next to nothing

20:57:52 The20YearIRCloud: And it's not like people in the middle of Africa don't have enough time to build something that's gonna work well

20:57:53 ben_vulpes: see the paupery story for details on other "engineering" criteria missing from the conversation.

20:58:10 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes link ?

20:58:40 The20YearIRCloud: You want to look at affordable, extremely useful housing, look to what the Scots & irish did with their housing in the 1600s from Sod

20:58:58 ben_vulpes: !s pauper

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20:59:04 The20YearIRCloud: Some of those houses would last forever and needed almost no heat during freezing cold winters

20:59:10 JuliaTourianski_: the hexayurt is a solution for emergency housing, refugee camps, and poverty housing. they do protect against extreme temperature changes, hence their use at burning man

20:59:13 The20YearIRCloud: heck, body heat would keep em warm

20:59:27 The20YearIRCloud: And tents are bad?

20:59:48 mircea_popescu: "After six decades and the expenditure of the equivalent of tens of billions of dollars, the promise of breeder reactors remains largely unfulfilled and efforts to commercialize them have been steadily cut back in most countries"

20:59:53 JuliaTourianski_: tents r shit

20:59:58 mircea_popescu: IPFS doesn't like torium

21:00:00 ben_vulpes: tents a shit

21:00:02 ben_vulpes: indeed

21:00:22 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, for who?

21:00:36 ben_vulpes: i for one think the burning man use case is hilarious

21:00:38 The20YearIRCloud: hipsters at burning man?

21:00:46 HeySteve: +The20YearIRCloud> One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery <- cool, here's something else you might be interested in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM0d2EsVehQ

21:00:46 assbot: The BioCycle by AgriProtein and Bear Valley Ventures - YouTube

21:00:49 JuliaTourianski_: ?

21:00:52 ben_vulpes: "hi i'm subjecting myself to burning man but i want a temperature regulated environment but i can't afford an rv RENTAL"

21:00:54 Dimsler: lol who cares about hipsters at burning man

21:01:12 mircea_popescu: it is pretty funny

21:01:14 The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: that's quite cool

21:01:31 HeySteve: yeah gonna start using them for fish feed

21:01:31 The20YearIRCloud: We've got a methane reactor on a farm here, doesn't use flies but produces a few KW of continuous power from a milk production

21:01:42 ben_vulpes: one use case that made some modicum of sense was this one dood's fuckpalace, but i was always amused that he couldn't just get down in public at the burn

21:01:45 ben_vulpes: i mean w.t.f.

21:01:47 Dimsler: a cattle sized meat grinder

21:01:51 Dimsler: should be wheeled into burning man

21:03:10 jurov: from what i read about burning man, one needs two tents, the bigger one where you can clean off the salt

21:03:19 jurov: and inside it a small one

21:03:27 The20YearIRCloud: Ok, so the flies do a similar thing to composting?

21:03:44 jurov: domes/yurts are usable as the bigger one

21:03:44 mircea_popescu: Dimsler why the hate ? kids gotta gather somewhere.

21:04:02 mircea_popescu: now they can't rape each other on the uni campus, where is the handling supposed to occur ?

21:04:03 ben_vulpes: jurov: if you're cleaning off the dust, you're doing it wrong

21:04:10 ben_vulpes: wet wipes for the crotch is about all one needs.

21:04:19 jurov: you were yourself?

21:04:27 ben_vulpes: i was what?

21:04:34 jurov: ion burning man

21:04:38 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, well no see, kids are about 16yrs old approx?

21:04:45 Dimsler: if you're 25 acting like a kid

21:04:48 ben_vulpes: a few times yeah jurov

21:04:51 Dimsler: its a little different

21:04:57 jurov: they wrote "if left on the skin that dust causes burns" - you say BS?

21:05:14 ben_vulpes: "get a house, settle down, give up on fun, otherwise you're a retarded child." << Dimsler

21:05:17 The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: do you have more info on this fly thing?

21:05:19 mircea_popescu: Dimsler nah, in civilised society as old as 26.

21:05:29 ben_vulpes: jurov: you're missing a duration qualifier there

21:05:44 ben_vulpes: i also suspect that skin oils make a nice little bottom layer

21:06:37 The20YearIRCloud: The big thing about fish feed is that there are a few types that have very, very, very low protein inputs and thrive on waste anyway

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21:17:02 HeySteve: The20YearIRCloud yeah they're building a big facility in fluffypony's neck of the woods to supply animal feed to farmers here

21:17:31 The20YearIRCloud: I'd love to try it here, granted finding the waste input could be difficult outside of animal manure from farms

21:17:38 The20YearIRCloud: How are the larva harvested?

21:17:42 HeySteve: this is a good guide: http://www.ie.unc.edu/for_students/courses/capstone/13/bsfl_how-to_guide.pdf

21:17:57 The20YearIRCloud: Great

21:17:59 HeySteve: the larvae harvest themselves by crawling up ramps and away from all the mess

21:20:14 mircea_popescu: like silkworms huh

21:20:57 HeySteve: I'm not sure, never kept silkworms

21:23:58 The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: and into harvesting stations?

21:24:39 HeySteve: yeah or straight into animal feed troughs even

21:25:54 The20YearIRCloud: Alright, and they're eaten live by the animals?

21:28:56 HeySteve: yeah I know chickens will eat them live and the protein content is high. will try it with fish but maybe they need to be processed for smaller fish

21:28:57 jurov: chicken don't have any prejudice against live worms

21:29:04 jurov: rather the opposite

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21:37:55 The20YearIRCloud: two nice-ish buys today, joy

21:38:18 The20YearIRCloud: chicken love insects, i know quite a few people that feed almost exclusively scratch (no food)

21:38:26 The20YearIRCloud: granted that doesn't work in winter

21:42:53 assbot: moldysnizz +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

21:42:53 HeySteve: you can put the chickens in a cage above the grubs to manage their waste

21:45:19 kakobrekla: !up moldysnizz

21:46:49 moldysnizz: Thanks, kakobrekla!

21:47:47 kakobrekla: yw

21:47:50 kakobrekla: !s moldysnizz

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21:48:16 kakobrekla: not much of a talker

21:48:43 kakobrekla: not that there anything wrong with that

21:49:21 moldysnizz: heh, not so much. chatquack may have logged some drunkeness. I don't have access to his credintals right now. Desktop is in storage.

21:49:44 moldysnizz: moldy is my fallback.

21:52:04 The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: that setup looks quite great

21:57:05 The20YearIRCloud: Especially as a dried foodstock, i'm shocked though they estimate value at only $1/lb

21:57:09 The20YearIRCloud: would help with doing batches

21:57:29 Dimsler: ground beef is 40cents /lb

21:57:37 Dimsler: and thats a 70/30 mix

21:58:46 The20YearIRCloud: where?

21:59:07 The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: seems they're 20% efficient at converting waste to protein/feedstock it seems

22:05:35 jurov: you should prolly should IPO it on havelock

22:05:40 jurov: MAGGOTMINER

22:06:59 The20YearIRCloud: yeah

22:07:07 The20YearIRCloud: The concern I have is would be getting the waste

22:07:25 The20YearIRCloud: They need 80kg+ to make ~17kg of feed per week. That's a great deal of waste.

22:07:52 jurov: can prolly be crowdsourced

22:09:19 Dimsler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEvomyYkIPY

22:09:19 assbot: Thief - Opening Scene - YouTube

22:09:33 HeySteve: heh maggotminer

22:09:44 The20YearIRCloud: 335m tons of manure is produced a year in the US, which would result in 67m tons of BSFL feedstock

22:10:08 The20YearIRCloud: Assuming 100% of all animal waste is used as a food source for them.

22:10:24 HeySteve: better than sending it to landfill I'd say!

22:10:40 The20YearIRCloud: Sure

22:11:07 HeySteve: a lot of animal feed is fish-based afaik

22:11:13 The20YearIRCloud: Then of that 67m tons of feedstock, animals (Depending on breed) are 15%-20% efficient at taking the BSFL feedstock and converting it to actual on-animal weight

22:11:47 HeySteve: fishmeal has risen a lot this year: http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=fish-meal

22:11:48 assbot: Fishmeal - Monthly Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi

22:12:21 The20YearIRCloud: So, an extra 13.4m tons of meat per year from recycling the waste through BSFLs.

22:12:39 HeySteve: nice

22:12:49 The20YearIRCloud: Wouldn't be a terrible thing if more places converted, but the problem starts to become that if you free-range animals (Cows and pigs, which are the largest waste producers by far), you can't effectively go out and get that waste

22:13:00 The20YearIRCloud: it has to be from indoor breeding/feeding areas

22:13:23 HeySteve: right. you're better off with collecting organic waste from other sources in that case

22:13:49 HeySteve: I've got a restaurant and greengrocer onboard for eg.

22:14:13 The20YearIRCloud: and how many pounds of meat will they produce a month from the BSFL?

22:14:22 HeySteve: and as in that video, sewage will seem to work too

22:14:33 The20YearIRCloud: At 100% of the animal waste produced converted to food, it'll take care of 5% of the total US meat demand

22:15:28 cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ puppet comment leave you a little rustled?

22:16:23 HeySteve: well I know with fish, there's a method which achieves nearly 1:1 feed to weight conversion

22:16:30 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla was that your intention

22:16:51 jurov: btw, i loved that quip about coffee grounds

22:16:53 HeySteve: so using BSFL and tilapia, that could be done

22:16:58 HeySteve: (in theory)

22:17:45 The20YearIRCloud: I'm a real big fan of tilapia

22:17:56 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla well?

22:17:59 The20YearIRCloud: because from what I hear you can take raw farm waste (essentially corn silage) and feed it to them

22:18:12 The20YearIRCloud: that'd be quite interesting

22:18:32 HeySteve: hmm well, they will eat many things but to get good growth they want high protein feed

22:18:52 The20YearIRCloud: The thing with tilapia is that they eat like crazy on just about anything

22:19:10 The20YearIRCloud: the big holdback on tilapia is oxygen concentration. They breed like crazy to the point that they'll kill themselves

22:19:27 HeySteve: right but they only breed above about 28^ centigrade

22:19:29 cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i was drinking last night but still, that's my impression

22:19:42 HeySteve: and at high concentration, they will prioritise feeding over breeding

22:20:30 HeySteve: but yeah, the more dissolved oxygen you can get the water to carry, the more densely you can stock them

22:21:05 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla what is it based on? intuition...

22:21:08 The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, and that's what i see as the primary problem

22:21:18 The20YearIRCloud: although here some guys are going to pure oxygen injection in the water

22:21:39 HeySteve: well I am going to test out an impeller system

22:21:54 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla i am curious to your line of thought

22:21:55 The20YearIRCloud: That's the more cost effective way to do it i think. I was looking at a 24/7 air compressor

22:22:06 cazalla: JuliaTourianski_, just a whisper, i hear it in my ghost but seriously, you never answered http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2014#839995

22:22:07 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2014 18:18:35; mircea_popescu: julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?

22:22:44 Dimsler: cazalla, Julia is a novice bitcoiner

22:22:47 Dimsler: she doesn't understand

22:22:49 HeySteve: yeah a motor to run an impeller with a tube to draw oxygen down to the blades, I believe it will work well

22:23:24 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla +mircea_popescu didn;t see that sorry- you guys do realize I literally know evryone in the space and am "associated" with everyone, depending on how you look at it.

22:23:33 Dimsler: no

22:23:35 Dimsler: lol

22:23:38 HeySteve: the turbulence *should* stop it becoming a giant fish blender... might put on some kinda mesh just in case

22:23:46 Dimsler: you're just associated with the mainstream clownery

22:23:49 JuliaTourianski_: if i'm associated with everyone, then who is pulling my strings?

22:23:59 JuliaTourianski_: amir? mainstream?

22:24:25 Dimsler: yes ofcourse

22:24:39 Dimsler: amir taaki and the etherium clowns

22:24:53 JuliaTourianski_: you just dismissed a huge chunk of the btc space based on nothing.

22:24:56 cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ given i've seen a lot of you and paul joseph watson (alex jones puppet), perhaps that is the direction i should start

22:25:10 Dimsler: yeah i know

22:25:17 Dimsler: even went to the bilderberg group

22:25:23 Dimsler: alex jones that clown

22:25:33 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla ive been on infowars, keiser, bbc, fox news - so who is it pulling my strings?

22:25:41 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, amir was cool when he wasn't a pure drughead

22:25:44 Dimsler: years ago

22:26:20 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler I'm friends with everyone in the declaration video..that's a lot of ppl, so whcih ones are pulling my strings? don;t cherry pick eh

22:26:23 cazalla: JuliaTourianski_, i said earler i don't know

22:26:36 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla don't cherry pick info.

22:26:51 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla yeah you don;t know- maybe there's not much to know.

22:26:58 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, the question was pretty innocent

22:27:11 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt?

22:27:23 HeySteve: JuliaTourianski_ did u interview the hexayurt designer in that video posted above?

22:27:25 Dimsler: no we don't care in here that you have a vagina

22:27:29 JuliaTourianski_: yeah i did

22:27:39 cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'd be even more suspect if you were black

22:27:43 JuliaTourianski_: everyone cares. lol it's naive to say you don;t

22:27:48 Dimsler: no seriously

22:27:54 Dimsler: you're in the wrong channel if you think that

22:28:02 JuliaTourianski_: it's not a sexist thing. it is what it is. it makes a difference both ways

22:28:04 HeySteve: ok well tell him he was wrong about GHash cartel monopolising Bitcoin mining as per anarchists: https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs

22:28:04 assbot: Bitcoin Hashrate Distribution - Blockchain.info

22:28:33 cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ as said vagina has nothing to do with it but a pretty girl is useful to get across the message, maybe you start making videos on ethereum soon?

22:28:33 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, no, its because you're a public figure

22:28:39 HeySteve: that happened briefly but it didn't last

22:29:06 JuliaTourianski_: i have made 0 videos for anyone, so I'm confused with this whole convo

22:29:08 Dimsler: cazalla, no i think its the exact opposite

22:29:18 Dimsler: seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously?

22:29:28 Dimsler: like i think shes got her work cut out for her

22:30:09 JuliaTourianski_: I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works

22:30:27 Dimsler: Trace Mayer lol

22:30:32 cazalla: Dimsler, not really, this goes back to chat on how nigerians craft their emails

22:31:37 cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers

22:31:38 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler i have certain advantage being me, but yes, ppl don;t take me seriously. when i go to these conferences it's telling. and everyone thinks im there with my bf. I'm not complaining, becuase once they bother to speak to me I show them I'm actually into BTC and the judgement dies.

22:32:07 Dimsler: well why does it have to be armoury for storing offline wallets

22:32:17 Dimsler: what happend to just storing your wallet offline at home?

22:32:21 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla we all started out as a novice. I wrote that myself. i was inspired and excited. that's all. i wanted to bring the community together :) it was fun. u dont need to trust it

22:32:46 Dimsler: if you were perpetrating strict anarchy, independance would be critical

22:32:46 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler cuz you can do watch only wallets etc.

22:32:48 Dimsler: so yeah

22:33:00 Dimsler: completely unnecessary

22:33:15 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler I've been an anarchist a while. i was writing for mises.ca for a year prior to doing btc stuff

22:33:35 JuliaTourianski_: I didn;t come out of "nowhere" i was a lib since HS

22:33:42 Dimsler: mmm austrian school of economics

22:33:55 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler completely necessary

22:34:54 BingoBoingo: <JuliaTourianski_> I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works << Are you familiar with Armory's poor behavior?

22:34:59 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler the only reason the comment gets to me, is cuz I truly believe in everything I say and it sucks to be doubted in that. but I'm still fresh so fine. i don;t expect to be granted respect. I'll work for it. but dismissing people off the bat is just as bad no?

22:35:17 Dimsler: nobody has dismissed you?

22:35:24 JuliaTourianski_: +BingoBoingo they always work on their feedback no?

22:35:31 Dimsler: no

22:35:33 Dimsler: they don't

22:35:45 HeySteve: is the phone home issue fixed or what?

22:35:52 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler saying someone is behind my content is dismissive ye

22:35:59 BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: I mean the user phoning home stuff.

22:36:10 cazalla: julles, i'm not dismissing you or suggesting any sort of conspiracy but it raises ones suspicion when novice makes video and is seen with scammers the likes of amir, berwick, alex jones and his puppets

22:36:11 BingoBoingo: If they do that... What else can they do?

22:36:34 JuliaTourianski_: +BingoBoingo expand- last i saw was some reddit criticism they were addressing on privacy issues

22:36:39 mircea_popescu: !up Jondo

22:36:42 mircea_popescu: holy shit logs.

22:36:42 Dimsler: !up BCB

22:36:47 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe she fell in with a rough crowd.

22:36:53 Dimsler: lol

22:36:59 danielpbarron: JuliaTourianski_, you're really digging -assets, huh?

22:36:59 BCB: Dimsler: thx

22:37:09 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_ is going to get eaten alive

22:37:16 BingoBoingo: !s Armory phone home

22:37:16 assbot: 3 results for 'Armory phone home' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Armory+phone+home

22:37:16 BCB: JuliaTourianski_: what is your first language

22:37:22 Dimsler: shes russian

22:37:36 Dimsler: i can't tell if born or not

22:37:41 mircea_popescu: how did you come to that conclusion ?

22:37:52 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla amir is a ot a scammer. alex...I'm deciding on alex. ive spoken to him personally since, and I dont like the direction he's going lately. berwick is berwick. how about the rest of the ppl in there? all scammers?

22:37:54 Dimsler: cause shes got an accent

22:38:06 BCB: French Canadian?

22:38:10 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, yes

22:38:18 BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2014#795113

22:38:19 assbot: Logged on 13-08-2014 23:30:06; mike_c: armory phones home with a hash of your home directory

22:39:04 mircea_popescu: Dimsler accents make girls be eaten out ?

22:39:16 Dimsler: oh noo

22:39:18 danielpbarron: lol, "berwick is berwick." the polite way to say someone is a weirdo

22:39:22 JuliaTourianski_: +BingoBoingo im sorry hun, i dunno what that means. all i know I've been using armory. and it's rated to be the most secure by vitalik and I trust robots :D

22:39:25 BCB: She sounds like Celine dion

22:39:35 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, vitalik is a complete moron

22:39:38 danielpbarron: you trust vitalik??

22:39:39 BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: I dun really trust Vitalik

22:39:42 Dimsler: wahahahha

22:39:43 Dimsler: vitalik

22:39:49 JuliaTourianski_: +BCB fuck off. that's the worst thing anyone has said to me yet :P

22:39:57 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, i knew vitalik when he was in waterloo

22:40:00 Dimsler: buying bitcoins off me

22:40:03 Dimsler: ages ago

22:40:09 Dimsler: complete fucking boob

22:40:10 BCB: JuliaTourianski_: be nice. just tell us your first language.

22:40:17 Dimsler: with his idiotic ponzi etherium scheme

22:40:18 JuliaTourianski_: I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good

22:40:25 Dimsler: armory is not good

22:40:28 mircea_popescu: lmao celine dion.

22:40:29 JuliaTourianski_: +BCB it's russian

22:40:30 Dimsler: myth dispselled

22:40:37 BCB: Dimsler: you can't deny Vitalik's intelligence

22:40:41 Dimsler: can

22:40:47 Dimsler: fully deny vitaliks intelligence

22:40:48 mircea_popescu: BCB wut ?!

22:40:49 danielpbarron: "i don't trust him but i trust him." hm, ok

22:40:51 BCB: JuliaTourianski_: interesting...

22:41:04 BCB: mircea_popescu: Vitalik is a smart guy

22:41:10 Dimsler: vitalik is not a smart guy

22:41:13 Dimsler: what are you talking about

22:41:15 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler trust me...i know all there is to know about the ethereum issues. i wont comment further

22:41:20 mircea_popescu: i dun see it.

22:41:23 cazalla: !up julles

22:41:24 Dimsler: ethereium is a joke

22:41:28 mircea_popescu: what makes you think vitalik is smart ?

22:41:28 BCB: Dimsler: We can disagree

22:41:37 Dimsler: sure

22:41:53 BingoBoingo: <JuliaTourianski_> I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good << The way trust works is if you dun trust someone, you can't trust them to tell you icecream is good.

22:41:57 BCB: mircea_popescu: I've read his writing. He is one of the most articulate writers on bitcoin.

22:41:57 Dimsler: man didn't amir lose a toe or something

22:42:06 Dimsler: in that hilarious compound these crackheads were staying at?

22:42:12 mircea_popescu: BCB specifically.

22:42:12 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, whats amirs drug of choice?

22:42:21 danielpbarron: well he's smart enough to figure out a way to get 30k BTC out of all the fools who aren't patient enough to just buy Bitcoin and hold it

22:42:27 JuliaTourianski_: anyways. my point is, look at the big picture. there are good people in the declaration vid. most importantly it's a message I strongly believe in. so scammers or not, the message stays the same.

22:42:37 Dimsler: danielpbarron, vitalik is broke

22:42:38 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you have much to learn.

22:42:44 Dimsler: he sold all his bitcoins for a few t-shirts

22:42:49 BCB: mircea_popescu: I don't buy Etherium and I have know idea of his coding skills but he is a good writer.

22:42:58 mircea_popescu: BCB you are not saying anything specific.

22:43:01 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler he likes psychedelics & M

22:43:05 Dimsler: Tolstoy is a good writer

22:43:10 mircea_popescu: "x is smart" "why" "because i think he is" "why" "because he is"

22:43:14 mircea_popescu: wd, but that's idiocy in action.

22:43:24 mircea_popescu: !up julles

22:43:26 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu yes I do.

22:43:35 BCB: mircea_popescu: he has a broad knowledge of the bitcoin echosphere. Have you ever meet him in person?

22:43:40 julles: cazalla, hi, sorry I never introduced myslef. I'm julles, I like what you guy do and have no relation whatsoever with the julles you're thinking of ;)

22:43:41 danielpbarron: what's with this +nickname thing? what client does that?

22:43:44 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, the people you have in that video

22:43:47 Dimsler: mean jack shit for bitcoin

22:43:54 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ take the case of jeff. he's an idiot, and now a fraudster. not for any reason than misassociation.

22:44:10 mircea_popescu: generally speaking, the most damage you can do to yourself is associating yourself with idiots and scammers

22:44:17 mircea_popescu: a point shrem is not able to regret enough.

22:44:18 Dimsler: yes

22:44:32 Dimsler: well shrem straigh tup

22:44:37 Dimsler: funded a tonne of silkroaders

22:44:39 Dimsler: and he knew about it

22:44:56 Dimsler: and he also laundered everyones elses cash

22:44:58 Dimsler: bless that man

22:45:01 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu there are a lot of ppl in the vid. the non scammers whoever u may think they are cancel out the scammers, whoever u think they are

22:45:05 mircea_popescu: so no, this scummy "oh the message is nice anyway" carries no water.

22:45:10 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu ya'll are cherry picking.

22:45:16 BCB: Dimsler: and he'll get less then 5 years

22:45:22 mircea_popescu: a bottle of wine does not cancel out a cupful of sewage.,

22:45:23 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, are you kidding?

22:45:24 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu one or two rotten cherries don;t kill the tree

22:45:26 mircea_popescu: it works the other way around.

22:45:34 BCB: for copping a plea and being an informant

22:45:42 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, how about shrem is a rat

22:45:42 JuliaTourianski_: ahah semantics now

22:45:49 mircea_popescu: mno.

22:45:51 Dimsler: and completely cooperated and ratted out half of the btc community

22:45:51 JuliaTourianski_: did u see the LINE i gave shrem

22:46:06 JuliaTourianski_: "we are in an age of appropriation, and nothing is immune"

22:46:09 mircea_popescu: i did not.

22:46:15 mircea_popescu: uh... mkay ?

22:46:18 JuliaTourianski_: is that lost on u lot?

22:46:21 mircea_popescu: that dun make much sense to me

22:46:25 Dimsler: i get the pun

22:46:33 Dimsler: i mean whats the point?

22:46:39 Dimsler: shrem wasn't some god

22:46:41 JuliaTourianski_: he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked.

22:46:43 Dimsler: lol guy also sold out early

22:46:52 mircea_popescu: jurov: can prolly be crowdsourced << jurov is on fucking fire lmao

22:46:58 Dimsler: lol

22:47:00 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ soooo ?

22:47:08 JuliaTourianski_: so the line is perfect.

22:47:21 mircea_popescu: it's not that "he worked" and "thinking" etc. he made a career out of thinking he knows better than me,

22:47:25 Dimsler: how the fuck can you be an anarchist living in canada anyway

22:47:28 mircea_popescu: and now he'll make a career out of prison lyf.

22:47:35 Dimsler: the most communist socialized shit hole

22:47:35 JuliaTourianski_: he thought he was immune and he wasn't . lesson learned maybe. he's a good guy, ppl make mistakes

22:47:38 Dimsler: on the entire planet

22:47:39 BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_> he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked. << This is why you can't plea out ever.

22:48:00 mircea_popescu: this "people make mistakes" bull is much too soft for btc.

22:48:07 Dimsler: yeah i know

22:48:11 mircea_popescu: generally people make one mistake.

22:48:13 Dimsler: nobody makes mistakes in btc LOL

22:48:14 BCB: +1

22:48:19 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu u guys seem to have personal man beef with a lot of these ppl. this is where being a blonde girl helps, no egos.

22:48:31 mircea_popescu: nope.

22:48:36 ben_vulpes: nah, i just have a lot of man beef.

22:48:37 mircea_popescu: nothing personal whatsoever.

22:48:47 JuliaTourianski_: ahhaha

22:48:59 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, yeah honestly we don't really care

22:49:03 Dimsler: those guys don't effect bitcoin

22:49:04 Dimsler: or its growth

22:49:06 mircea_popescu: it's just that the gear switch from derpyland to btcland is bound to culture shock a little.

22:49:19 JuliaTourianski_: so what has the jury decided? whose pulling my strings? alex jones? berwik? amir? shrem? ahah

22:49:30 BCB: JuliaTourianski_: should should put captions with the speakers names. I don't recognize half those guys

22:49:38 Dimsler: we are ruling that anyone that gives you attention

22:49:45 JuliaTourianski_: that would look gaudy

22:49:46 mircea_popescu: BCB that's the tell tale sign of a good btc expert

22:49:50 JuliaTourianski_: there are credits down below

22:49:51 mircea_popescu: never seen before.

22:49:54 JuliaTourianski_: in the order of speaker

22:50:13 Dimsler: oh lawdy

22:50:15 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler ahah therefore everyone

22:50:18 BCB: mircea_popescu: ha. Everybody is a fucking expert these days

22:50:32 Dimsler: BCB, no? no wai?

22:50:49 JuliaTourianski_: bruce fenton and patrick byrne are pulling them. i admit it!

22:50:51 mircea_popescu: expert is what junior used to be in the 90s

22:50:52 BCB: Dimsler: I heard even you are an expert now.

22:50:57 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, maybe we should buy shit on overstock?

22:51:01 kakobrekla: ;;google ciphershed

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22:51:18 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ he your bf or something ?

22:51:31 Dimsler: you guys remember when reddit blew up, claiming overstock drove up the price of bitcoin?

22:51:37 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu everyone is my bf obviously

22:51:43 Dimsler: nooo

22:51:49 Dimsler: beta orbiters

22:51:52 Dimsler: not boyfriends

22:52:01 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu who would write my content otherwise?

22:52:04 mircea_popescu: Dimsler is a beta orbiter what i imagine it is ?

22:52:11 JuliaTourianski_: bahaha

22:52:21 Dimsler: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beta+orbiter

22:52:22 assbot: Urban Dictionary: Beta orbiter

22:52:34 mircea_popescu: ie, this derpy dude spinning around some chick in the hopes that one day he can ask her things and she'll propose they be friends ?

22:52:44 Dimsler: yes

22:52:52 mircea_popescu: check me out i can guess teenthings!

22:53:14 Dimsler: well Julia is still here

22:53:17 Dimsler: i guess she staying?

22:53:42 Dimsler: can we at least get some nuds?

22:53:44 Dimsler: nudes

22:53:48 mircea_popescu: i'm hoping she amounts to more than that other chick, what was her name.

22:53:58 mircea_popescu: the one that did the beg videos and then was never seen again

22:53:59 Dimsler: long and forgetten

22:54:01 Duffer1: the reporter?

22:54:03 Duffer1: i forget..

22:54:05 mircea_popescu: nono. brunette.

22:54:32 jurov: saffron?

22:54:39 mircea_popescu: a right!

22:54:51 mircea_popescu: had that snazzy vid to gif website

22:55:29 cazalla: she has some new bitcoin videos

22:55:34 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ so you see yourself mostly as a blogger/radio host/whatever that way ? pundit-like ?

22:55:42 mircea_popescu: cazalla nething good ?

22:55:46 Dimsler: i can't figure out what agenda shes pushing

22:55:50 BCB: JuliaTourianski_: who chooses Jeffrey Tucker's bowties?

22:55:54 Dimsler: the first few videos she had were good

22:55:57 Dimsler: about actual anarchy

22:56:03 Dimsler: then it turned into a btc obsession

22:56:07 mircea_popescu: Dimsler who you talking about ?

22:56:10 Dimsler: Julia

22:56:13 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu ew

22:56:20 cazalla: judge for yourself http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=828999051

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22:56:31 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler why cant i have my own agenda?

22:56:32 mircea_popescu: Dimsler why does she have to have an agenda ?

22:56:45 Dimsler: interesting

22:57:14 Dimsler: well as an outspoken individual offering themselves up as a gladiator to entertain

22:57:15 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands << Who says solar has to get everyone powered to work?

22:57:21 Dimsler: there should be something to solute

22:57:23 mircea_popescu: is Jeffrey Tucker the guy that split from mises.org some time back ?

22:57:30 mircea_popescu: i recall there was some drama but don't recall the drama.

22:57:32 Dimsler: hence i'm curious about what the agenda is

22:57:34 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler most ppl seem to be obsessed with btc. i did because it;s the onyl way anarchy can function scalabley

22:57:42 cazalla: if there was ever a guy still in the closet..

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22:57:44 mircea_popescu: !b 2

22:57:48 BCB: mircea_popescu: He runs liberty.me

22:57:54 mircea_popescu: darn you cazalla cockblocking my !b's

22:58:03 cazalla: lol

22:58:21 mircea_popescu: and matt drudge is more in the closet.

22:58:26 mircea_popescu: ever seen the man's hats ?!

22:58:27 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, yes bitcoin would allow anarchy to function, but so can many other things through history

22:58:28 JuliaTourianski_: by most ppl i mean, ppl either get obsessed or not. either in the woods or outside

22:58:47 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler disagree

22:59:03 Dimsler: well then you've obviously haven't read much history

22:59:07 mircea_popescu: what's the definition of anarchy we're working on ?

22:59:11 Dimsler: seeing as anarchism has been rampant

22:59:12 mircea_popescu: "it's my hot body and i can do what i want" ?

22:59:20 Dimsler: up until the mid 1800s

22:59:32 jurov: anarchy will rule!!1

22:59:35 cazalla: in the woods or outside, blockchain technology, the other 6 billion, enough with the fucking platitudes, you're sounding more and more like andreas JuliaTourianski_

22:59:54 Dimsler: OH

22:59:57 Dimsler: dont mention

22:59:58 Dimsler: andreas in here

23:00:02 Dimsler: please

23:00:04 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler tribalism maybe, this is the first time I think anarchy could work on a large scale becuase the blockchain offers a very practical set of tools for operating economy, trade, legal systems etc, in a trustless fashion. so I got obsessed ye.

23:00:19 Dimsler: all of that

23:00:19 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you still haven't said what you mean by "anarchy"

23:00:22 Dimsler: operated on pen and paper

23:00:23 Dimsler: lol

23:00:23 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler i like andreas a lot

23:00:31 mircea_popescu: you would lol

23:00:32 Dimsler: andreas was great

23:00:41 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu absence of state

23:00:46 Dimsler: right up until he became bitcoin jesus' bitch

23:00:47 BCB: Andreas is a bitcoin expert

23:01:03 Dimsler: andreas is such a bitcoin expert that he doesn't have any

23:01:04 BCB: andreas is writing the bitcoin book

23:01:08 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ so then his point holds. anarchy is prevalent historically.

23:01:19 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, fuck yeah it is

23:01:23 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu Anselme Bellegarrigue style

23:01:33 Dimsler: no horse shit

23:01:39 mircea_popescu: nm teh style.

23:01:48 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu I don't disagree. but it was always on a smaller scale.

23:01:53 mircea_popescu: !up dnaleor

23:01:57 Dimsler: smaller scale

23:02:01 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ what's your definition of scale ?

23:02:02 Dimsler: what the fuck are you talking about?

23:02:11 Dimsler: during the french revolution only %7 of the people spoke french

23:02:31 JuliaTourianski_: allocation of resources is an issue, fuller says that's the role of gov systems really. once we scarcity is resolved we don;t need their infrastructure

23:02:35 Dimsler: i mean german fairy tales

23:02:41 Dimsler: before napoleon came and raped germany

23:02:46 mircea_popescu: scarcity resolved ?

23:02:48 Dimsler: were of the "times that were"

23:02:56 mircea_popescu: what nonsense is this, bitcoin is scarce by definition.

23:02:57 punkman: 3d printing!!!111

23:03:01 Dimsler: where every kingdom was 15km down the road

23:03:13 Dimsler: plenty of anarchy amongst monarchy

23:03:20 Dimsler: if youw ant to talk about civilized history

23:03:23 JuliaTourianski_: we tocuhed on this with vinay, solving shelter, clean water, food, disease, injury

23:03:28 JuliaTourianski_: energy is the last peice

23:03:36 mircea_popescu: you're being ridiculous.

23:03:53 JuliaTourianski_: well anarchy exists everywhere, but as a black system a lot of the time

23:04:11 JuliaTourianski_: all russians would have starved without anarchy. with black markets, only many starved.

23:04:25 JuliaTourianski_: in the soviet union i mean

23:04:30 Dimsler: ofcourse they did

23:04:37 Dimsler: but if you want to talk about communism

23:04:49 punkman: there's no black market without state

23:04:54 Dimsler: exactly

23:05:20 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, born in russia or canada?

23:05:24 mircea_popescu: punkman the state of her words is very very disorganised.

23:05:34 Dimsler: yes

23:05:34 JuliaTourianski_: with the blockchain we have a possible was to just avoid gov, discreetly, building alt systems until it falls away. before, most anarchistic societies were destroyed by gov.

23:05:40 Dimsler: i remember when i was a kid

23:05:43 JuliaTourianski_: born in the soviet union.

23:05:48 Dimsler: my grandma got a ticket for 2 washing machines

23:05:56 Dimsler: while we needed a fridge

23:06:04 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ if your "we" includes the derps a la taaki, derpopoulous etc, no, "we" has no chance to anything but talk

23:06:07 Dimsler: went right to the market with the washing machine

23:06:16 Dimsler: if you want to talk about communism and its blackmarket

23:06:26 Dimsler: then %40 of the economy in russia was blackmarket

23:06:30 Dimsler: if you want to apply that to canada

23:06:36 Dimsler: wher eyou live now, its about %90 communist

23:06:39 Dimsler: and %8 black market

23:06:47 Dimsler: if not considerably less

23:06:55 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu i know u have a personal vendetta against taaki so I'll dismiss you vehement criticism of him due to ur bias

23:07:03 Dimsler: no

23:07:07 Dimsler: taaki is just a fucking joke

23:07:23 mircea_popescu: vehement criticism does not equate bias

23:07:28 Dimsler: he should have stayed off the fucking drugs

23:07:32 Dimsler: and kept workign and programming

23:07:35 mircea_popescu: and i do not have a PERSONAL vendetta against taaki. i just flatten idiots

23:07:39 JuliaTourianski_: I'm not here to defend Taaki

23:07:39 Dimsler: not sitting around squating in a flat

23:07:42 Dimsler: and losing his toe

23:07:42 mircea_popescu: if he weren't an idiot he wouldn't have been flattened.

23:07:47 Dimsler: !up BCB

23:07:52 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, lies

23:07:55 punkman: taaki's not a person, can't have personal vendetta

23:08:00 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

23:08:06 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 398.78, vol: 10246.20493478 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 387.293, vol: 4214.08368 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 403.85, vol: 9735.41291066 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 403.229628, vol: 32600.51380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 404.82901, vol: 24.17732817 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 409.9788, vol: 78.19420999 | Volume-weighted last average: 401.364131901

23:08:06 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ that's fine, but the problem is the thought process. you tend to go for this words because words because more words approach. it's not very sound.

23:08:07 JuliaTourianski_: what's wrong with squatting?

23:08:22 mircea_popescu: the opposite of autonomy ?

23:08:36 JuliaTourianski_: paying rent to a lord is empowering?

23:08:37 Dimsler: i know

23:08:44 Dimsler: pfft no

23:08:44 mircea_popescu: having the ability to pay rent or not is.

23:08:48 Dimsler: i know

23:08:49 mircea_popescu: not having that ability is not.

23:08:50 JuliaTourianski_: empty building paid by taxes.

23:08:51 BingoBoingo: <JuliaTourianski_> what's wrong with squatting? << Well, apparently this is the healthier way to poop

23:08:53 Dimsler: money is what buys freedom

23:08:56 Dimsler: no see horse shit

23:09:03 Dimsler: your idea of anarchism

23:09:09 Dimsler: is living in a hippy fucking hexyurt

23:09:15 mircea_popescu: Dimsler you'll hafta start making full sentences.

23:09:17 JuliaTourianski_: when did i say that

23:09:21 Dimsler: i know

23:09:31 JuliaTourianski_: hexyurt is a great option for emergency housing

23:10:01 BCB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4587443/

23:10:01 assbot: Julia Tourianski - IMDb

23:10:01 Dimsler: how does a hexyurt provide any sort of anarchistical resource?

23:10:12 JuliaTourianski_: squatting is a great option to work on projects full time and not spent funding money of rent

23:10:15 BCB: She used to be a movie star

23:10:15 JuliaTourianski_: on*

23:10:18 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, a squatter is a slave

23:10:31 JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler erm. lost me

23:10:32 Dimsler: they only way to buy freedom, and live as an anarchist is to obtain wealth

23:10:36 Dimsler: to free yourself

23:10:36 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ except after full time of working on "projects" the only results are some scams and some ridicule.

23:10:46 mircea_popescu: would have been better if he picked a honest job.

23:10:49 Dimsler: yes

23:10:54 mircea_popescu: something with bags and groceries.

23:11:05 mircea_popescu: i can appreciate EVERYONE wants to be cool important and a mind worker.

23:11:15 mircea_popescu: not everyone can. no matter how desperately they want to.

23:11:21 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu not true. libbitcoin

23:11:22 mircea_popescu: human intelligence is the ultimate scarce resource

23:11:33 mircea_popescu: and its scarcity scales with availability, so it's un"resolvable"

23:11:36 BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: tents r shit << Tents are Awesome!!!

23:11:43 Dimsler: i know

23:11:50 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ his contribution to libbitcoin is the same as with bitcoin itself : he gofer'd coffee for the people involved.

23:11:53 Dimsler: how are tents shit? when they've been used for centuries

23:13:06 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4587443/ << is this actually yours ?

23:13:06 assbot: Julia Tourianski - IMDb

23:13:09 Duffer1: tents r shit :P

23:14:24 JuliaTourianski_: ahahahah wow u guys really dig

23:14:58 mircea_popescu: 8.1/10 rating 50 viewers, was that gamed a little ?

23:15:17 JuliaTourianski_: honest job...you sound a little boxed in

23:15:35 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu ?

23:15:46 mircea_popescu: i mean... ben hur is 8.1/10

23:16:21 mircea_popescu: the truman show 8.0. cmon :)

23:16:27 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu fan boys liked it and rated it i guess

23:16:39 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu the valve lovers are strong

23:16:41 mircea_popescu: i guess so

23:17:00 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu i didn't like it. maybe ill rate it down

23:17:25 cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ and you shit on half life?

23:17:26 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu thought it was an epic waste of time...yet I retained my editing skills so hey!

23:17:40 JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla the games are pure wicked

23:18:24 JuliaTourianski_: almost fucking died making episode 3 and they didint even bother finishing it. bleh

23:18:45 mircea_popescu: these +s remind me : JuliaTourianski_ if you actually get a client you get various benefiuts, such as a log, and autocomplete names and stuff.

23:18:47 JuliaTourianski_: FUNNY thing, the director is not a BTC millionare

23:19:04 JuliaTourianski_: now*

23:19:35 JuliaTourianski_: funny how money makes ppl quit productivity sometimes...maybe amir is onto something here

23:19:54 mircea_popescu: who, david purchase ?

23:20:51 JuliaTourianski_: ye

23:20:54 mircea_popescu: good for him.

23:22:14 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu "I am the richest man you've met, and If I can help it, I'll be the richest man you've ever met"

23:22:29 mircea_popescu: who's that ?

23:22:32 JuliaTourianski_: ring a bell?

23:22:47 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu that's the first thing you said to me after attempting to troll me

23:23:03 mircea_popescu: lol figures. i attempted to troll you ?!

23:23:10 BCB: don't fuck with JuliaTourianski_ http://youtu.be/4lyUNs7eNhs?t=40s

23:23:10 assbot: Escape From City 17 - Part Two - YouTube

23:23:23 mircea_popescu: !s "the richest man you've met"

23:23:23 assbot: 0 results for '"the richest man you've met"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22the+richest+man+you%27ve+met%22

23:23:28 mircea_popescu: hm

23:23:56 Duffer1: space glock

23:25:03 JuliaTourianski_: bahahaha i hate it so much

23:25:16 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt? <<< hard to know, but i think the last dude in a tshirt to try the entire reddit thing here was kamela or something

23:25:21 JuliaTourianski_: I'm no actress. i was ued for my russian skillz

23:25:25 JuliaTourianski_: used*

23:25:38 Duffer1: no you're not bad at all

23:25:50 mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=240 this guy

23:25:50 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

23:26:02 BCB: JuliaTourianski_: did you get to "Make it" with that guy before he get's killed?

23:26:09 mircea_popescu: tim sweeny or w/e his name was didn't quite have the youthful flexibility and so he ended up butchered

23:26:20 mircea_popescu: but iirc on the 2nd pass byrne managed somewhat.

23:26:46 JuliaTourianski_: +BCB if I wanted to I did. If

23:26:54 JuliaTourianski_: I didin;t want to I didn't

23:27:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00074938 = 6.8943 BTC [-]

23:27:19 BCB: JuliaTourianski_: in the movie i mean

23:27:26 mircea_popescu: o you do don't you.

23:27:44 Duffer1: BCB5:40

23:27:45 BCB: JuliaTourianski_: not in real life. Everyone bangs on movie sets

23:27:45 JuliaTourianski_: +BCB there's a makeout scene. I wonder why he wrote that in there.

23:28:05 BCB: JuliaTourianski_: is that guy the director also?

23:28:09 mircea_popescu: probably because you have to have something for youtube to iconize

23:28:20 JuliaTourianski_: ye

23:28:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/greenpeace-accepting-bitcoin-donations/

23:28:37 mircea_popescu: Dimsler: seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously? << me, for one.

23:28:41 BCB: JuliaTourianski_: of course he is!

23:29:06 BCB: Dimsler: She seems to be holding her own in here. I'll take her seriously.

23:29:36 mircea_popescu: i guess if we decide to off Dimsler we'll send cute blonde assassins after him.

23:29:41 JuliaTourianski_: I seem to be doing a lot of things lately

23:30:10 The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: seems most efficient animals (fish & chicken) are 1.2 to 2 pounds of input per pound of meat

23:31:06 mircea_popescu: cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers << while this is actually sound, the problem with youth is that it wants to act. which is also sound. so novices with drive will often first show up in dubious company.

23:31:58 mircea_popescu: intel didn't manage to find any actual shilling, so whadda ya want.

23:31:59 HeySteve: sounds about right, The20YearIRCloud, but like I said there's a "hack" for tilapia which brings it to 1:1 or even below!

23:32:13 HeySteve: check out biofloc if you're interested

23:33:02 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu I believe in a free market. my impressionable mind is fair game. get it while it's hot. sculpt me in your image. pull my strings. I'm young. don;t miss out! your future is at stake!

23:33:05 HeySteve: in fact, I seem to remember someone mentioning 0.5:1 feed to weight conversion, which is pretty astounding

23:33:42 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ i'm more of a stationary sculpting mechanism. which is why the "pick something to do" thing.

23:34:03 mircea_popescu: HeySteve now that's gotta be impossible.

23:34:14 mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled mass conservation just yet.

23:34:16 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu more for the "scammers" then

23:34:33 BCB: Speaking of Jeffrey Tucker: https://twitter.com/MyBitNation/status/513853503694204928

23:34:34 assbot: Bitnation will be performing the first Bitmarriage on the Blockchain, officiated by Jeffrey A Tucker using CoinOutlet Inc /CoinsKingdom.

23:34:37 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ well what do you want me to do, tell you what to do ?!

23:34:56 mircea_popescu: BCB is it a traditional marriage ? :D

23:35:12 BCB: mircea_popescu: I was wondering that.

23:35:19 HeySteve: mircea_popescu, the hack is that gill-feeding fish also absorb algae and plankton colonies from the water, you just need to seed the water with carbon to encourage colony growth

23:35:30 mircea_popescu: a

23:35:52 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu no honey, i was being facetious

23:35:58 BCB: mircea_popescu: they are getting married at Disney so probabaly!

23:36:00 mircea_popescu: unconvincingly so.

23:36:36 BCB: mircea_popescu: a gay couple wouldn't be caught dead getting married at disney

23:36:43 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu depends on the receiving end in this case

23:36:49 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ anyway, what ever happened to anjiecast ? she got married or what.

23:36:58 mircea_popescu: BCB not campy enough ?

23:37:06 JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu> whose that

23:37:13 cazalla: she's been trolling 4chan mircea_popescu

23:37:23 cazalla: https://twitter.com/anjiecast/status/513128609671041024 trolled me hard :\

23:37:24 assbot: Censoring /hashtag/4chan?src=hash /hashtag/GamerGate?src=hash threads isn't enough. Many /hashtag/problematic?src=hash comments, attitudes. Let's make it a /hashtag/SafeSpace?src=hash. http://t.co/vR4jJRZGo8

23:37:24 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ andrea castillo

23:37:59 JuliaTourianski_: she got me on here in the first place

23:38:07 mircea_popescu: cazalla lol noob.

23:40:05 danielpbarron: lol why is "problematic" a hashtag?

23:40:15 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ yeah but the last n umlaut posts are by that gurri newb

23:40:22 mircea_popescu: and generally, haven't seen her in a while

23:40:35 kakobrekla: #i #do #what #i #want

23:41:10 mircea_popescu: #kakobrekla #tagging #language

23:41:25 kakobrekla: #ktl #noob

23:41:26 JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron *pats her troll on the head* aww

23:41:36 mircea_popescu: ;;ud ktl

23:41:37 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=KTL | Feb 6, 2009 ... Download the Free App! 1. KTL. Black person, the word originated in Atherton, California. "Damn, look at that KTL." by Jiji Blancha February 06, ...

23:41:50 mircea_popescu: you called me a hashnigger ?!

23:42:02 kakobrekla: #nfi #atthispoint

23:42:23 mircea_popescu: #a#obre#la

23:42:49 kakobrekla: ##

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23:43:00 BingoBoingo: !b 4

23:43:36 JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron what's wrong? you don;t wanna troll me in front of your friends?

23:43:41 mircea_popescu: http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/09/how-sugar-daddies-are-financing-college-education/379533/?single_page=true <> http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/

23:43:41 assbot: How Sugar Daddies Are Financing College Education - The Atlantic

23:43:43 assbot: The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:43:56 mircea_popescu: so much win. i knew plastering us college campuses with fliers of that article won't be wasted.

23:44:07 mircea_popescu: this, dear everyone, is what i call thought leadersheep

23:44:21 Dimsler: lol

23:44:25 Dimsler: thats a good one

23:44:29 danielpbarron: JuliaTourianski_, say what you like :D

23:44:37 JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron I always do

23:44:44 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, thats ok we'll troll you enough

23:45:12 JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron it was ok when I wasn't in here ye? im dissapointed

23:45:17 kakobrekla: also slander available.

23:45:35 Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, don't upset your beta orbiters

23:45:48 JuliaTourianski_: never!

23:45:56 danielpbarron: not sure i catch your meaning; you seem to be enjoying yourself

23:46:06 Dimsler: she sits right in

23:46:19 kakobrekla: you mean right on?

23:46:28 JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron I'll call you europa

23:46:28 Dimsler: !up BCB

23:46:32 BCB: Thx

23:46:41 Duffer1: oh snap

23:46:44 BCB: mircea_popescu: what is your take on GABI

23:46:52 BCB: any opinion

23:47:02 mircea_popescu: which gabi.

23:47:02 JuliaTourianski_: +Duffer1 crackle n' pop

23:47:24 BCB: mircea_popescu: Global Advisors Bitcoin Investment Fund

23:47:35 BCB: Isle of Man

23:47:43 mircea_popescu: nothing particular.

23:47:50 Duffer1: sounds like a scam

23:47:59 Dimsler: lol

23:48:04 Dimsler: must steal btc

23:48:19 mircea_popescu: the guy was with jp, if it's actually him

23:48:41 Dimsler: lol tell me where the fund on the NYSE is?

23:48:50 Dimsler: what happend to the winkle twins?

23:48:55 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

23:49:02 Duffer1: working their way through red tape

23:49:10 BCB: Dimsler: they are waiting for a ruling

23:59:58 JuliaTourianski_: what projects in the BTC space do you guys like? if any...these conferences seem to be full of frat boys wanting to be men, with projects...many of which seem to be solving the same problem that doesn't exist.