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Transcript for 22-09-2015, 1539 lines:

00:00:25 mircea_popescu: ah. yea

00:00:48 asciilifeform: or perhaps not dks. no idea.

00:01:20 punkman: above uses gasoline/diesel and electric pump

00:01:20 asciilifeform: 'the situation was as follows: an older eccentric millionaire type had lots of this equipment rotting in his basement from years past. it needed to go, and he didn?t care much about scoring big for it. the people paying the market price for all this stuff would certainly mistreat it as they?d just flip them to profit. he wanted to see them go into loving hands who would restore them and treat them properly, but mostly want

00:01:20 asciilifeform: ed to see them go out of his basement. there was a lot of equipment besides the lisp machines.'

00:01:54 phf: for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent

00:02:09 mircea_popescu: ^

00:02:13 asciilifeform: aha!

00:02:15 mircea_popescu: gas is only good for tv.

00:02:16 asciilifeform: this is underappreciated

00:02:45 mircea_popescu: two problems : the flame is "light" so it flies off and you can't get it ON things.

00:02:47 mircea_popescu: such as people.

00:03:03 mircea_popescu: you want the flame to be HEAVY so you can put it on the enemy from under cover by shooting an arc

00:03:07 mircea_popescu: and you want it to stick around.

00:03:16 phf: punkman: yeah, i've realised that i was wrong after seeing little trails on the ground

00:03:34 *: mircea_popescu looks again.

00:03:43 cazalla: yeah that line is what caught my attention, story sounded familiar to something you have said here before

00:03:54 mircea_popescu: mmm, the way that ONE trail looked to me was, she's firing it at a puddle of flammable something

00:04:09 mircea_popescu: because reflection.

00:04:13 asciilifeform: cazalla: except that dks is not rich. he is a very old man living in a very small house - and - at least when i visited - had a boarder.

00:06:37 asciilifeform: history of flamethrower - supposedly an uninterestingly low-tech thing - is actually full of twists

00:06:42 phf: so according to the website, "Officially approved fuels: Gasoline (unleaded), gasoline-diesel mixture, alcohol." and "tilizes a high pressure electric fuel pump, powered by a 3S lithium-polymer battery typically used in R/C aircraft"

00:06:54 asciilifeform: when ww2 started, state of the art was to have 'pilot light'

00:07:08 BingoBoingo: <phf> for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent << polystyrene

00:07:10 asciilifeform: but this drew fire, and so different ways were tried

00:07:29 asciilifeform: the spout turned into something disguised as approximately a normal rifle,

00:07:43 asciilifeform: and ignition was done electrically or even with a pistol blank cartridge.

00:07:46 mircea_popescu: " there was also a demand for systems that could be easily introspected, debugged, and changed by individual engineers, which was something mainframes couldn?t easily do as one mistake by one engineer could bring down a system serving dozens" <<< since we're doing the entire underappreciated point thing.

00:07:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00073581 = 10.2278 BTC [-]

00:07:57 mircea_popescu: the whole reason we EVEN THINK of software as user-serviceable is this.

00:08:05 mircea_popescu: of fucking course it went to shit soon thereafter.

00:08:12 mircea_popescu: it's a thin blade to walk.

00:09:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even.

00:10:47 mircea_popescu: "the amount of engineering effort that went into these machines far outweighs what you might get in a modern computer, and that?s something i don?t think the world will ever see again" << he's wrong, fwiw. the amount of competent work that went into art as the empire got fucked in the ass exceeded the amount before.

00:10:50 mircea_popescu: just, to no benefit.

00:10:51 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even. << Only because enviro-frauds keep nuclear shaming

00:10:55 mircea_popescu: but on the metric he proposes, he;'s wrong.

00:11:12 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do the math, you'll see nuclear's not on the table.

00:11:29 BingoBoingo: For flamethrower or bomb?

00:12:16 BingoBoingo: Spz. I need a harbor? How long would that take to dig with ANFO vs. Nuclear?

00:12:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc they used straight kerosene in ru, in those days.

00:13:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.

00:13:02 asciilifeform: and a separate tank for compressed air.

00:13:12 asciilifeform: worked well enough.

00:13:12 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for bomb of equal effectivity as fuel bomb, made out of your own choice of nuclear.

00:13:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.

00:13:34 asciilifeform: primary use case is really against a mostly-sealed container such as a tank or pillbox

00:13:37 asciilifeform: burn out the air.

00:13:44 mircea_popescu: many use cases.

00:13:56 mircea_popescu: tank, pillbox, enemy behind close ridge,

00:13:58 mircea_popescu: enemy in building,

00:14:10 mircea_popescu: fucking mice, generally speaking.

00:14:44 asciilifeform: the brits, in their typical 'if a thing is good, 100x of it is 100x better,' built a flamethrowing tank.

00:14:46 phf: BingoBoingo: we've used all kinds of stuff during childhood experiments. motor oil, tar (there was plenty of that in the country house area), bicycle tire shavings

00:15:26 BingoBoingo: Interesting

00:15:29 mircea_popescu: tar is arguably even better.

00:15:29 phf: not for flamethrower though, for "molotov"

00:15:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah lol

00:16:05 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/fairview-heights-man-claims-he-was-imprisoned-for-days-for/article_b8093e36-4708-594f-a92e-1fec01e3cf19.html

00:16:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbZ2J0 )

00:16:52 asciilifeform: i've often wondered if a thermite-type reaction could be carried on in a liquid.

00:17:16 phf: i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics

00:17:26 asciilifeform: it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel.

00:17:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no reason it shouldn't, huh.

00:17:59 mircea_popescu: phf yup, it was so bad at some point sports suppliers refused to sell ping pong balls to boys.

00:18:00 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel. << Probably ought to be dropped

00:18:05 mircea_popescu: "fuck you, get a girl to do it."

00:18:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dropped << that's old hat. i was speaking of man-portable projectile weapons specifically.

00:19:10 BingoBoingo: What, weapon can be limited to use only from top of cliff

00:20:45 phf: oh man ping pong balls the versatile weapon manufacturing device, i'm surprised they are not yet banned in u.s. stores. make a small hole, fill it with stuff, attach a fuse

00:21:12 mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3lv58i/qntra_on_ethereum_vs_bitcoinxt/ << which one of you statist shills came up with the name.

00:21:13 assbot: Qntra on Ethereum vs BitcoinXT : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlOGX0 )

00:21:33 mircea_popescu: phf what fuse, stick a length of shoelace in there, good to go.

00:22:27 mircea_popescu: we had specialist "turner" (kid who was adept at turning 1/4 wire around shoelace in a corkscrew pattern making ready to go puncher for ball.)

00:22:35 mircea_popescu: (you just used the injection hole as a starter)

00:22:52 phf: haa

00:22:53 mircea_popescu: come to think of it... no fucking wonder romania doesn't need fire alarms.

00:23:02 mircea_popescu: you'd have to be fucking insane to build things flammably.

00:23:11 mircea_popescu: or had to, at any rate.

00:27:26 phf: we actually did have fuse at some point. one of the kids had one of those "engineer" fathers, who, i remember gave us, of note, soviet spectrum knockoff, rc plane engines of various sizes. he's also the one who converted part of forest glade into a "proper" badminton field, and then, with his wife as a partner, proceeded to regularly slaughter us in regular tournament matches

00:28:26 asciilifeform: i did the most ordinary fuses - rope soaked in saltpetre.

00:28:33 asciilifeform: they worked great.

00:28:43 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281563 << ugh. plastic badminton shuttles. for the birds !

00:28:43 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 00:17:16; phf: i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics

00:28:50 mircea_popescu: but you gotta live in a shitty marsh where saltpetre is found!!1

00:29:00 BingoBoingo: Apparently the New York Times endorses untrained bystanders doing cric because 'Murica is now too fat for the heimlich http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/what-comes-after-the-heimlich-maneuver/?smid=tw-nytimeswell&smtyp=cur&_r=0

00:29:03 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc0iM5 )

00:29:26 mircea_popescu: too fat for hymen lick ? not surprising!

00:29:53 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281365 << ayup. to quote an alf :

00:29:53 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 22:53:12; *: BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea)

00:29:59 pete_dushenski: !s i thought this was well known

00:29:59 assbot: 4 results for 'i thought this was well known' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=i+thought+this+was+well+known

00:30:31 cazalla: BingoBoingo, sure i read even heimlich stopped promoting the heimlich at some point

00:30:33 mircea_popescu: i had no idea.

00:30:59 pete_dushenski: isn't it incredible the hoops that plastic-badge-loving maroons will jump through ?

00:31:06 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: [...] it isn't. but it doesn't help that my translation efforts are ~starting~ with post-phd-level writings THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCENTS << he has a point there lol.

00:31:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00073532 = 20.6993 BTC [-]

00:31:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well ya :D

00:31:45 mircea_popescu: two or three more twists of the difficulty knob, you'll be almost at the level of archeologists trying to read some stone they found.

00:32:23 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281372 << not a piss consideration. entirely germany's 'green but not green so then blue' branding

00:32:23 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 22:55:27; mircea_popescu: lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss.

00:32:39 mircea_popescu: real men skinnydip in the marian trench. DURING SHARK SEASON ONLY.

00:32:41 pete_dushenski: all the german car co's do the 'blue' thing

00:32:59 mircea_popescu: they had the grune punkt. why not green ?

00:33:23 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: real men dance on hot coals with other real men on their shoulders. in a blizzard.

00:33:39 pete_dushenski: green is for ze amerikans

00:33:42 phf: pete_dushenski: hard to source that sort of stuff in the middle of nowhere, by the time we would even consider destroying a shuttle, i'd be shredded beyond any sort of reasonable aerodynamic characteristics

00:33:43 mircea_popescu: hm.

00:34:08 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: green is, ironically, dirty.

00:34:13 mircea_popescu: phf wut srsly ? i take it YOUR soviet state wasn't friends with china back then huh ?

00:34:17 mircea_popescu: nyah nyah.

00:34:44 mircea_popescu: romania was awash in chinese exports. including the "drawing sets" and whatnot.

00:35:05 pete_dushenski: when i was in china, the giant stadiums full of badminton players, all of whom i coulda mopped the floor with, used... plastic.

00:35:18 mircea_popescu: i never saw a cock made out of anything but.

00:35:27 pete_dushenski: i guarantee that there were private clubs in soviet russia that had feather shuttles

00:35:33 mircea_popescu: maybe.

00:35:35 pete_dushenski: just not for everyone

00:35:52 mircea_popescu: badminton kinda had this bad rep as i grew up.

00:35:54 pete_dushenski: they're around $3 a pop

00:35:57 mircea_popescu: "what fat chicks do"

00:36:01 pete_dushenski: the feather shuttles

00:36:12 pete_dushenski: have been for years

00:36:18 phf: i've not seen a chinese export, until the first wave of chelnok came back with bag full of stuff from turkey (traded as i recently discovered for priceless pre-soviet antiques for pennies)

00:36:34 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i can see it. 'athletic but not'

00:36:50 pete_dushenski: the backyard sorta game that most everyone knows is exactly this

00:37:05 mircea_popescu: it wasn't even gay, like volley or what's that other thing, minisoccer with hands ?

00:37:14 pete_dushenski: lolwut

00:37:27 mircea_popescu: phf well they weren't priceless antiques yet. and i doubt many people seriously saw a putin future back then.

00:37:28 pete_dushenski: handball maybe ?

00:37:33 BingoBoingo: !b 12

00:37:34 assbot: Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2A6X5KE.txt )

00:37:40 mircea_popescu: as far as anyone could imagine, russia was going the way of ex euro colonies in africa.

00:37:45 mircea_popescu: a yeah handball

00:38:50 mircea_popescu: right, so volleyball and handball were the faggoty sports in that it's what the girls (and some guys) did. whereas you were supposed to play football like god intended, or MAYBE basketball. badminton was literally, healthclub fare, for old people and chicks of the third gender.

00:39:17 mircea_popescu: (this is what you get when the state embraces sports and you get mandatory sport in school and whatnot)

00:39:37 phf: mircea_popescu: huh, that's really odd, not much of that in su

00:39:47 mircea_popescu: rly ?

00:40:37 phf: well, i didn't know anyone else playing badminton except our group, purely on account said father and his wife being some sort of ranked competing amateur level at some point of their lives. but i've never encountered the whole "badminton is not real sport" until i came to u.s.

00:40:44 mircea_popescu: honestly, most everyone was more open minded than romanians throughout forever. most hardline soviets in soviet union, would have hung nikita if possible after that thing. heck, ceausescu was trying to convince gorbacev of the errors of the past in 1987

00:41:07 mircea_popescu: and before that, and hence.

00:42:02 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mmg7PVJ3rg << for example (and ftr) here are a couple of the guys i used to play against and train with, and what high-level amateur singles badminton looks like in canada

00:42:03 assbot: 2013 Canadian Nationals - MS F - B.Milroy [BC] vs A.Pang [AB] - Match - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlRinK )

00:42:20 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi_qpF1ClrQ << some doubles, about the level i played at in my prime

00:42:21 assbot: Black Knight British Columbia Junior Elite U19 Doubles Finals Badminton - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlRmEf )

00:42:32 mircea_popescu: (i am not seriously proposing there's objective hierarchy to the respectability of sports, if that's not obvious. merely recording lived history)

00:42:32 mats: i don't get the basis for this 'old people and chicks of the third gender' shtick.

00:42:46 mircea_popescu: mats you understand how social exclusion works rite ?

00:42:52 mats: its accessible to the infirm and therefore, what...?

00:42:58 mircea_popescu: therefore undignified.

00:43:50 mircea_popescu: literally, the most common dismissal in kid circles was, "anyone could do that".

00:44:12 mircea_popescu: and the proper phraseology for a challenge, "hey, can you do this ?"

00:44:28 mircea_popescu: ie, "ba, tu poti asa ?"

00:45:04 cazalla: handball was boys only down under, cant ever recall seeing girls play but many competitive boys matches amongst all the grades

00:45:07 pete_dushenski: in canada, the equivalent to the 'sport for old ppl and chicks of third gender' is curling

00:45:39 pete_dushenski: but really it's mostly the former, old ppl and small town folk

00:45:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281026 << well of course ? i mean, they did pay into the scheme, neh ?

00:45:47 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 14:57:28; pete_dushenski: ' mean to the people ?

00:46:10 phf: pete_dushenski: those videos make me itch, lol

00:46:36 mircea_popescu: in today's fun exotism, curling means "ass I lick" in romanian.

00:46:42 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so did americans, but it's not really sustainable for them ALL to get that pension they were promised. so they won't

00:46:55 pete_dushenski: phf: like itch to play again ? :)

00:47:00 mircea_popescu: which is why independence makes sense. demand you get it anyway.

00:47:02 mircea_popescu: as a bloc.

00:47:05 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: bahaha

00:47:09 mircea_popescu: better deal than getting raped as an individual.

00:47:26 pete_dushenski: laugh was about "ass i lick"

00:47:35 phf: pete_dushenski: doubles look weak though, like they are playing tennis, wouldn't fly with our teachers, since you were going to get one at the net, once you started camping so far back

00:48:16 trinque: bocce is in my mind the essential old people's backyard drinking game

00:48:26 mircea_popescu: ah, no drinking whatsoever.

00:48:33 mircea_popescu: drinking games are a diff story altogether.

00:48:41 trinque: oh, a friend and I drank plenty playing bocce at his house

00:49:02 trinque: this is what I thought badminton was for as well; something absurd to do while drinking socially

00:49:17 pete_dushenski: phf: ya, those kids aren't fantastic.

00:49:37 mircea_popescu: as seen in amato's liceale. "Ve ho fregato perche non le porto!"

00:50:10 mircea_popescu: drinking games mostly consist of "guess what article of clothing the boys are thinking about - if you guess right you gotta show it, if not take it off!"

00:50:15 phf: the height of chic was to get an opponent into a dunking game, and then do a light drop right by the net. perfectly execute resulted in shuttle skirting the edge and dropping on the other side. not sure if that's properly legal though. many a games have been lost because somebody wanted to show off and ended up hitting the net on own side

00:50:33 cazalla: mircea_popescu, the romanian handball is 5-6 squares with no wall or the shitty 1v1 or 2v2 players hit against the wall type of hand ball?

00:50:53 mircea_popescu: cazalla it's that thing where you're supposed to shoot at a small goal gate from no closer than 7 meters

00:51:00 mircea_popescu: special interdiction zone around it

00:51:23 cazalla: no ace king queen jack dunce then i guess as we did here

00:51:57 mircea_popescu: actually the wall thing didn't have a [single] name but it was perfectly acceptable passtime for getting the players together for a game o' football.

00:51:59 pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/TOxNOa-yZJ4?t=22m8s << for those interested, actual pro men's doubles badminton

00:52:02 assbot: L.Yong Dae/Y.Y.Seong v M.Boe/C.Mog.|MD| Day 4 Match 6 - BWF Destination Dubai 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc2HGT )

00:53:02 pete_dushenski: phf: what's 'a dunking game' ?

00:53:03 cazalla: i guess handball is as ambiguous as football the world over then

00:53:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281036 << amd is so fucked ;/

00:53:24 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."

00:53:28 pete_dushenski: and yes, hitting the net is loss of point, but other than that, sounds legal/legit

00:53:31 phf: pete_dushenski: i don't know any of the proper english terminology, but your video precisely illustrates my point

00:53:53 mircea_popescu: as predicted by alf and others.

00:54:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00073532 = 2.5736 BTC [-]

00:54:42 pete_dushenski: phf: maybe you're refering to full court 'lobs' ? these'd be called 'clears' en anglais

00:54:51 phf: one side is doing the whole jump and direct hit, where's the other side counters equally strong, but then sneak lower energy response to the net. in the video chinese guy doesn't clear it though

00:55:53 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: inb4 amd opterons are going for $1k a pop

00:56:13 pete_dushenski: just checked local classifieds, whole box with 'opteron' can be had for as little as $150 still

00:56:23 pete_dushenski: ~0.5 btc

00:56:37 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/JJ4CDlF.png

00:56:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc3kjz )

00:56:55 phf: pete_dushenski: right, according the wikipedia it's a series of lobs, followed by drop shot

00:57:25 pete_dushenski: aha

00:57:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00073467 = 27.9909 BTC [-] {3}

00:58:30 pete_dushenski: phf: after watching a bit more of that u19 boys doubles vid, both sides are awfully nervous

00:58:52 pete_dushenski: which makes sense given that their parents are breathing down their necks 2' from the court

00:59:56 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbZekuO-FJY << much better canadian men's doubles. no nerves here.

00:59:57 assbot: Canadian Badminton Nationals 2011 - Bronze Medal Game - Men's Double 3rd set (2) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc3GXm )

01:00:02 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: not all opterons are created equal

01:00:34 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha. so what's 'alf recommended' ?

01:00:43 pete_dushenski: for the completely ignorant...

01:00:46 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: depends on what you're doing !

01:01:05 asciilifeform: sorta like pete_dushenski would react if i asked 'recommend a car'

01:01:12 BingoBoingo: Trying to take over the world?

01:01:44 pete_dushenski: ok : bitcoin, pgp, web, text, youtube.

01:02:34 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the hard part is to find the mobo with ecc/'registered' ram support

01:02:44 asciilifeform: the cpu itself is (at this time) plentiful

01:03:49 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281255 << man o man is this worth a chuckle

01:03:49 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:36; ascii_field: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RD021C << vendor page.

01:04:00 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: see log

01:04:05 pete_dushenski: they won't sell 10k of these things

01:04:09 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: o i did

01:04:27 mircea_popescu: yeah, doubt the 1k a pop scenario is possible, amd never had good mb support.

01:04:50 mircea_popescu: and i gotta learn to form my ideas in subsecond rather than subminute intervals, or else i just repeat the damned log!

01:05:05 asciilifeform: i've been running 'tyan' boards for many years.

01:05:08 pete_dushenski: i wish 21 could be relied upon to publish sales data, which they aren't, or else i'd try to short the tards

01:05:12 asciilifeform: pretty much everything else afaik is junk.

01:05:26 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski where are they listed ?

01:05:41 pete_dushenski: 21 is private afaik

01:07:10 pete_dushenski: http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/09/were_number_16.html << heh. usistan drops from 10th to 16th in 'economic freedom' in a span of just 4 years

01:07:11 assbot: We're Number 16! We're Number 16!, David Henderson | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc4EmD )

01:07:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281047 << because it was the one available escape from socialism ?

01:07:30 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:18:27; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281021 << it is necessary to somehow explain why virtually all of the mathematics worth anything whatsoever in 20th c. happened under the red flag

01:08:50 asciilifeform: escape l0l

01:09:24 hanbot: BingoBoingo / cazalla , qntra submission for consideration: http://dpaste.com/1TAA9VJ

01:09:25 assbot: dpaste: 1TAA9VJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc4ZWh )

01:09:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you dispute ?

01:10:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not as such. but have to consider why the escape was, at least in certain cases, into mathematics rather than drink

01:10:25 mircea_popescu: this never happened.

01:10:28 mircea_popescu: undrunk ru mathematician ?!

01:10:34 mircea_popescu: not even in highschool teaching.

01:11:00 asciilifeform: or, possibly more to the point, why the escape from misery of the west is pretty much never into first-rate mathematics.

01:11:14 mircea_popescu: because the misery of the west is not self aware.

01:11:22 mircea_popescu: it's a sort of misery that masquerades as "good enough".

01:11:35 asciilifeform: there is this. but also the other thing.

01:11:40 mircea_popescu: which is ?

01:12:20 asciilifeform: the western model of mass education, with the conscious goal of maximally intellectually crippling the victim ?

01:12:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281071 << why do you think this is either difficult or even rare on a vm ?!

01:12:31 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:28:37; thestringpuller: to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks...

01:12:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the su had the exact same, exactly equally conscious goal.

01:13:12 mircea_popescu: all education is an exercise in rape. that it's done by the state just improves the odds of it being unpleasant,

01:13:16 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, education is rape.

01:13:51 deedbot-: [Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - http://qntra.net/2015/09/have-nude-pics-of-yourself-go-to-jail/

01:15:58 asciilifeform: education in su, at least in so far as it pertained to maths and the physical sciences, was most certainly not a feature of a 'make'em stupid' plan of whatever sort.

01:16:26 asciilifeform: the key difference is not even, as popularly supposed, in the fundamentals (although to some extent this was true)

01:16:40 trinque: re: qntra what of the police officer's actively seeking to collect naked teen pix

01:16:48 asciilifeform: but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters.

01:16:49 trinque: *officers

01:17:20 asciilifeform: ftr i did not witness any of the latter personally.

01:17:26 asciilifeform: but it was a thing.

01:19:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281751 << iirc this was in the logz week or two ago...

01:19:40 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:13:51; deedbot-: [Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - http://qntra.net/2015/09/have-nude-pics-of-yourself-go-to-jail/

01:20:27 asciilifeform: but since it is here again, i will note that it is precisely the arbitrary cruelty that is the ~goal~ here.

01:21:01 trinque: maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young.

01:21:44 trinque: and you know, knocked around by the legal system a bit

01:22:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hanbot includes the news where he now plea guilty, also hard to pass up her particular style of condemnation of evil

01:22:33 asciilifeform: 'The real power, the power we have to fight for night and day, is not power over things, but over men.' He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: 'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?' Winston thought. 'By making him suffer,' he said. 'Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure tha

01:22:34 asciilifeform: t he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.'

01:23:17 asciilifeform: (oughta be obvious from where)

01:23:52 asciilifeform: among the pua folks, this is known as 'shit test'

01:24:16 trinque: I don't know that it's anything as centrally organized as Orwell's thing

01:24:25 trinque: they can pick on teenagers for their normal sexuality, and so they do

01:24:26 asciilifeform: this is not a necessary hypothesis.

01:24:41 asciilifeform: and yes, for normal sexuality.

01:25:46 asciilifeform: as described in the footnotes of http://fraudsters.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm

01:25:48 assbot: A new software licensing paradigm on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGVObY )

01:26:45 asciilifeform: 'At a past time when the ownership of female humans was the principal method to control capital formation and the political process, the same sort of dead hand fictions proposed that they in fact control the usage of women, that anyone owning a woman does so only as a sublicense from their sovereign ownership of all women, and may proceed only in furtherance of the regulation they emitted as to how women may be used and may no

01:26:46 asciilifeform: t be used and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - the woman in question. Particularly "criminal" at the time - using a woman in the manner she herself wishes to be used. Times have changed, women are now worthless, but computers aren't, and these same dead hand fictions propose anew : that they own all computers, that if you own a computer it's only a sublease from them, subject to furthering their regula

01:26:46 asciilifeform: tions and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - what the code actually says and does. Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used.'

01:26:54 asciilifeform: ^ from mircea_popescu's piece, quoted for the logz.

01:28:39 asciilifeform: the particular case in question is also an instance of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-08-2015#1232285

01:28:39 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 15:21:43; asciilifeform: now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.'

01:29:38 asciilifeform: all cp prosecutions are, without exception, exercises of 'lettre du cachet' powers. on account of the impossibility of proving otherwise, plus the lack of anyone giving half a rat's arse re: said proof.

01:30:39 asciilifeform: 'hackteam' leak revealed a spiffy, user-friendly bot module used by usg to remotely cp-ize winblowz users. it was mentioned in guess how many newspapers.

01:32:20 trinque: I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population

01:32:28 asciilifeform: and - ianal, but, afaik it is a 'strict liability' offence in usa. this means that considerations like 'i had no idea this was on my box' only count with respect to the decision to prosecute - that is, ~in the event the prosecutor deems it worthy of consideration~ - rather than on the matter of guilt or innocence.

01:32:29 trinque: see: abstinence camps and so on

01:33:30 mircea_popescu: trinque heh, i imagine there's some pretty decent policeman teen porn stashes.

01:33:49 trinque: oh I'm sure they trade the things just like has been said about the NSA

01:34:05 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters. << kinda like outcast behaviour.

01:34:28 mircea_popescu: "the kid has the M disease, what do we do ? " "i dunnoi, cast him in the M pit, let them tell him how to live with it. they obviously know by now"

01:34:35 asciilifeform: it worked.

01:34:42 mircea_popescu: that it happens to work well doesn't change what it is.

01:34:58 asciilifeform: i personally don't give a damn if they had been doing it to please odin.

01:35:01 asciilifeform: it fucking worked.

01:35:16 asciilifeform: and in usa, it is anathema.

01:35:19 mircea_popescu: but we were not discussing THAT.

01:36:55 mircea_popescu: <trinque> maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young. << everybody does. prime fuckmeat = nude teen chained to the wall.

01:37:02 mircea_popescu: about as likely to change as the color of sunset.

01:37:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00075144 = 24.0085 BTC [+] {4}

01:37:37 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281212 << I can get 10k per day and it only cost me ~35 USD worth

01:37:37 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:29:28; ascii_field: mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ?

01:37:42 trinque: yeah, I've got no problem with it; they're the ones protesting too much

01:37:45 trinque: mircea_popescu: ^

01:38:43 mircea_popescu: lol danielpbarron got himself a mining rig huh.

01:39:30 asciilifeform: see logz for my hypothesis re: why usg is handing out almost homeopathically-small miners.

01:40:19 mircea_popescu: i handed this one out.

01:40:30 asciilifeform: speaking of the other one

01:40:33 asciilifeform: the '21' thing

01:40:56 mircea_popescu: <trinque> I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population << in all cases. that's how witchhunts work, and why they exist.

01:41:01 asciilifeform: likely, somewhere in there is an antifuse that, e.g., switches the workfunction to use sha3, or the like.

01:41:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of "Strict liability" even being allowed is lulzy.

01:41:37 mircea_popescu: any matter with strict liability straight to jury nullification.

01:41:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was originally limited to, iirc, traffic offenses.

01:41:45 mircea_popescu: you want laws enforced, put some work into making them make sense.

01:42:19 asciilifeform: jury nullification is, contrary to popular belief, not really a thing in usa. not in the sense that it is impossible - it is certainly possible, on paper. but in practice verdict (in criminal cases) must be unanimous, and it never happens.

01:42:19 asciilifeform: ever.

01:42:39 asciilifeform: and if the judge catches a juror actively persuading others to nullify, he can try him for 'contempt'

01:42:52 mircea_popescu: only before deliberation.

01:42:55 asciilifeform: the usual result is what is called 'hung jury'

01:43:03 mircea_popescu: indeed.

01:43:05 *: asciilifeform saw this from inside, personally hung it

01:43:19 asciilifeform: this simply leads to a new trial.

01:43:22 asciilifeform: with fresh meat puppets.

01:43:26 mircea_popescu: ayup.

01:43:38 mircea_popescu: more lulz @ usg expense.

01:43:53 asciilifeform: oh noez the judge might have to work on fridays !

01:43:57 asciilifeform: (true story.)

01:44:18 mircea_popescu: yup.

01:45:03 danielpbarron: at least a hung jury wastes more USG money

01:45:42 trinque: in our "markets" the fetish of wealth, and in our courts and police stations the fetish of power

01:45:56 trinque: what, they don't have enough to do in Baltimore/Ferguson/wherever ?

01:46:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281097 << if a hog fucks a goat in my presence, in the sense that i was in the same country at some point, this does not qualify the resulting hogbeast as "my bastard"

01:46:08 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:49:58; ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.

01:46:33 asciilifeform: actually it does not matter at all to usg if a trial is a 'new' one, or rerun of 'hung jury' trial.

01:46:39 asciilifeform: every trial is an exercise of usg power.

01:46:41 asciilifeform: and they are cheap.

01:46:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281100 << dude that's fucking stupid

01:46:53 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:52:26; ascii_field: to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha.

01:46:55 asciilifeform: and they will deputize 'magistrates' and other faux judge-lite animals

01:46:58 asciilifeform: as needed.

01:47:01 asciilifeform: at minimal cost.

01:47:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you said these people took math. at some point.

01:47:16 mircea_popescu: you don't accept magistrate judge.

01:47:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that is why it is an exercise of ~conscious~ stupidity. mr mold ~knows~ what he is doing.

01:47:34 asciilifeform: he knows that it is an atrocity.

01:47:35 mircea_popescu: once one gets out of the paper bag of "hiring counsel", one discovers all sorts of little knobs on the papers.

01:48:17 asciilifeform: i expect that fella who 'won't accept' will get some form of... persuasion, in his jail cell, in the form of broken teeth

01:48:22 asciilifeform: until he likes magistrates again.

01:48:29 mircea_popescu: except he doesn't.

01:48:34 asciilifeform: why not ?

01:48:48 mircea_popescu: because he might just as well run the jail like his own personal whorehouse.

01:48:58 mircea_popescu: then da gets some form of persuasion,

01:49:01 mircea_popescu: in the shape of broken teeth.

01:49:11 mircea_popescu: what man does, man does, alfie. always remember.

01:49:24 asciilifeform: why would a fella who can administer broken teeth to the d.a., end up in a jail at any point ?

01:49:30 mircea_popescu: why not ?

01:49:33 mircea_popescu: usg paid for security.

01:49:38 mircea_popescu: usg paid for the whores.

01:49:46 mircea_popescu: let it do what it likes doing.

01:50:03 asciilifeform: i see the point here, i think. the (private) 'crime and punishment museum' in d.c. - the one with the famous electric chairs - has an example of mafia don's cell

01:50:15 asciilifeform: with couches, escritoir, tiffany lamps, etc.

01:50:16 mircea_popescu: the point is drastically more subtler than that.

01:50:25 mircea_popescu: the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource.

01:50:33 mircea_popescu: in ANY contest of nine year olds, SOME nine year olds

01:50:38 mircea_popescu: ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail.

01:50:55 mircea_popescu: no schooling, no government job, no friends and no other arrangements can ever change this.

01:51:12 mircea_popescu: some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given.

01:51:27 mircea_popescu: and da's are not really selected for manhood, not in the us, not these days.

01:53:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281105 << problem with the bezzletron is that words become dirty through their usage. which is why colored coins gotta become bitshares gotta become ripple gotta become ethereum and on and on.

01:53:00 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:54:58; ascii_field: 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom')

01:54:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281109 << "broadly the difference is that curtis originally didn't understand what this all is, then got called on it by http://fraudsters.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ then had someone who can actually think explain what's going on to him, then the next day came up with.... wait for it... HIS OWN IDEA OF HOW TO MAKE A BETTER BITCOIN.

01:54:29 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:57:27; ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.'

01:54:30 assbot: Stage n: Bitcoin exists. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MFKNie )

01:54:44 mircea_popescu: becauyse yeah, totally, no "smart in his own mind" schmuck to date has managed to avoid this trap.

01:55:29 mircea_popescu: what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS.

01:55:47 mircea_popescu: between stolfi and lew rockwell, a whole fucking massed galaxy of these imbeciles.

01:56:31 mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice.

01:58:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/117CE64 << is that how it's supposed to look ?

01:58:56 assbot: dpaste: 117CE64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJwhQy )

02:00:32 phf: neat

02:00:59 mircea_popescu: but anyway, i appreciate that they're SO FUCKING PETRIFIED of bitcoin can't even talk of it other than under the SA guise.

02:01:16 mircea_popescu: rly, "blockchain networks", go paint your asshole with lipstick, it's about as obvious.

02:02:59 mircea_popescu: also, it's not exactly clear what the bitcoin per-transaction COSTS are, but it is quite obvious that a) mining is designed to be a ~0% margin activity and has been exactly that without exception through the history and b) the PRICE paid for a block which is usually 1-2k transactions is usually 25ish BTC, which is for simplicity 5k dollars.

02:03:20 mircea_popescu: so their math is correct, it does cost MULTIPLE DOLLARS to properly settle a transaction, via the TRUSTLESS blockchain mechanism.

02:04:19 mircea_popescu: and all the fuckwards derping about bitcoin and africa are more than welcome to explain who in this world exactly needs 2 dollar-fortified transactions to pay for his fucking plastic pocket protector or whatever the shit reddit buys from that one fat chick at the talent fair.

02:04:52 mircea_popescu: these are the sort of schmucks that can't even afford pants to keep their money in.

02:05:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281113 << unavoidable. this is what being a thought leader entails : that EVERYONE ELSE is stuck trying to make your planes out of mud and sticks. for that is what they have and this is what they want.

02:05:45 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:29; ascii_field: i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions

02:06:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me.

02:06:16 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:46; ascii_field: because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not.

02:06:32 mircea_popescu: so, no. it does not. it has some shit, and it's so confused it doesn't even realise it.

02:08:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281139 << this happens to be true.

02:08:10 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 18:16:12; ascii_field: phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring.

02:08:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281877 << b0rk3d

02:08:39 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:58:55; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/117CE64 << is that how it's supposed to look ?

02:10:24 mircea_popescu: and archive dies on http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/~/on/0v4.fr10a.u9sem.37m45.gtp52.qui8p.json

02:10:36 mircea_popescu: i guess we'll never know.

02:11:44 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281876 >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html >> 'There is much less intellectual dishonesty among people who aren't smart enough to make up a sufficiently large part of the world that they can live in it, and the bigger part of the world you can create inside your own head, the more important it is that you don't move into your own mind, but keep

02:11:44 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:56:31; mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice.

02:11:45 assbot: Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1MFLvMg )

02:11:45 asciilifeform: living in the real world, with its incredibly annoying habit of wrecking _every_ constructed expectation sooner or later.'

02:12:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281891 << mircea_popescu if you have an actual proof, i and 10,001 other people would enjoy reading it.

02:12:49 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 02:08:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281139 << this happens to be true.

02:13:25 asciilifeform: but afaik no such proof presently is known to exist.

02:13:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281152 << ianae but my reading at the original time (back when i even sponsored development in the then-nascent alt paradigm, see http://fraudsters.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/#selection-35.0-37.0 ) was that they actually had pretty much the same idea as alf, which is to say the old sherlockism : "once you've eliminated all stupid, what you're left weith, however improbable

02:13:44 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 18:40:15; ascii_field: not far from the facts though.

02:13:44 assbot: So this Urbit thing... on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJxM1j )

02:13:44 mircea_popescu: , must be smart".

02:13:53 mircea_popescu: course meanwhile that fizzled.

02:14:06 mircea_popescu: but it's what i had formed in my head in that week or however long the interest lasted.

02:14:15 asciilifeform: it fizzled in 2010 when mr mold decided on 'jets'.

02:14:22 asciilifeform: everything that came after that was nonsense.

02:14:35 asciilifeform: there is no forgiveness for a stupid foundation.

02:14:37 mircea_popescu: well in my defense i wasn't reading it then.

02:14:38 asciilifeform: simply how it works.

02:15:14 asciilifeform: http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html?showComment=1263570771214#c6454142774827414532 << i did tell him.

02:15:15 assbot: Moron Lab: Urbit: functional programming from scratch ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJy2gD )

02:16:04 asciilifeform: now if only he'd listened! then he could starve in this ditch with me, instead of bathing in benjies and cocaine in his usg-filled wealthtub

02:16:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that one is not the same as other is what happens to be true.

02:16:15 mircea_popescu: ie, that it's a conjecture.

02:16:15 asciilifeform: ah then yes!

02:16:36 mircea_popescu: i have no idea how you'd prove that. at all.

02:16:44 mircea_popescu: i expect if ever resolved it'll be like the fermat thing.

02:17:17 mircea_popescu: btw re earlier feather discussion : http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ probably ties in.

02:17:18 assbot: The crime of being American on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJyc7I )

02:17:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually! this proof exists for rabin's pubkey algo!

02:17:22 asciilifeform: go, read.

02:17:25 mircea_popescu: after all, feathers, right ? from like, animals, right ?

02:17:31 asciilifeform: see what such a proof looks like, readily.

02:17:48 asciilifeform: and aha yes, ties in.

02:17:48 mircea_popescu: not what i meant!

02:18:13 asciilifeform: hm?

02:19:12 mircea_popescu: i didn't mean "i should like for someone to show me how math works". i just meant i dunno that there's even a promising direction of research into the matter.

02:19:28 asciilifeform: research - yes, promising (afaik) - no.

02:19:38 asciilifeform: 'spreading on bread works! eating - not yet' (tm) (r) (su)

02:19:49 mircea_popescu: so it'll prolly be resolved, if ever, by a totally unexpected and half nutty formalism

02:20:31 asciilifeform: at the risk of mixed metaphor, the locusts have cleared out the low-hanging fruit, yes.

02:20:39 mircea_popescu: right.

02:21:02 mircea_popescu: btw wiles looks a lot like brin the elder wouldn't you think ?

02:21:26 asciilifeform: i certainly see the resemblance.

02:22:43 asciilifeform: though wiles has a gaunt and somewhat hobo-like flavour to him, from the extant photos

02:22:50 mircea_popescu: mostly the mouth tho

02:24:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281864 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281866 << i see in the list 'lead' and 'follow' but where is 'fail' ?

02:24:39 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:38; mircea_popescu: ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail.

02:24:39 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:51:12; mircea_popescu: some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given.

02:25:02 mircea_popescu: incidentally, i suspect a lot of the mommentum for the entire "oh broken factors" comes from historical accident. it was in point of fact research into elliptic curves that yielded the fermat proof,

02:25:04 asciilifeform: is life of a soldier, for example, a fail ?

02:25:10 mircea_popescu: which has a very "factorization" flavour to it.

02:25:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform failure is a subjective point.

02:25:39 mircea_popescu: which is why the stupid never fail and the smart never succeed.

02:25:48 asciilifeform: l0l

02:25:51 asciilifeform: i can see it.

02:27:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281155 << an alternative explanation would go like so : a. the value of all things is predicated on lulz and drama, and nothing else. even if we discovered this point with bitcoin, it's really - like all other things we discovered "about bitcoin", a universal property of reality.

02:27:40 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 18:48:18; phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself..

02:27:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281874 << the absolute worst risk category for this kind of disease is to be involved in computing. because there, it is largely ACTUALLY TRUE that everyone is retarded.

02:27:56 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:55:29; mircea_popescu: what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS.

02:27:59 mircea_popescu: b. the only people who give a shit about dadaist stuff are involved in it ; c. it's not fucking funny.

02:28:19 mircea_popescu: ergo d. the only way for it to pay bills is through cannibalizing its own membership for the onlyt thing they're good for : butt tears.

02:28:28 asciilifeform: i had to go and actually dig up a fucking lisp machine to figure out why it cannot be 'suck the cock of' and made a base for future work as-is

02:28:31 asciilifeform: for example.

02:28:41 mircea_popescu: this incidentally also goes for socialism, which yes, inasmuch as it's "the political ideology of the stupid" is indistinguishable from applied dadaism.

02:29:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see it.

02:30:25 asciilifeform: likewise, the most egregious retardation is shat forth by one specific consideration - backwards compatibility.

02:30:49 asciilifeform: ergo a rejection of the latter, always strikes the thinking man - and lunatic, alike - as the most enticing possible thing.

02:31:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not even my angle. my angle is this : "yes it makes sense for the company YOU PAID MONEY BEFORE to protect your investment IN THEIR SHIT. but you didn't pay me jack, did you ? I WILL BURN IT ON GENERAL PRINCIPLE AND FUCK YOU FOR HAVING PAID THE ENEMY."

02:31:18 mircea_popescu: same result in the end.

02:31:34 asciilifeform: not necessarily same

02:31:46 mircea_popescu: indeed.

02:31:48 asciilifeform: what comes ~after~ depends, at least partly, on ~why~ we burned it.

02:32:07 asciilifeform: if stupid-burned - it will be same old idiocy with different coat of paint.

02:32:12 mircea_popescu: which is how the largest dispute to date we had has been over... fucking compatibility.

02:32:13 asciilifeform: as mr mold's bad re-invention.

02:36:33 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281888 << wai wat

02:36:33 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 02:06:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me.

02:36:35 asciilifeform: how's that work

02:36:57 mircea_popescu: if vc comes to me with 20mn on the premise i get to keep 1mn if i spend 10mn hiring these idiots

02:37:02 mircea_popescu: i would not hire the idiots.

02:37:18 asciilifeform: who in his right mind, would ?

02:37:36 mircea_popescu: whosoever proposes they are actually valuable. by the flow of that conversation it seemed that includes you.

02:37:44 asciilifeform: not exactly

02:37:46 mircea_popescu: but if not - greenspun.

02:37:51 asciilifeform: not-having-to-work-dayjob is valuable.

02:37:54 asciilifeform: all else being equal.

02:38:07 mircea_popescu: " But sitting in the parking lot it gave us the appearance of extravagance while inside the building we were living the frugal life--in a world starved for software development talent, it would have been hard to lose money paying MIT-educated programmers $50-85,000 base salaries plus an end-of-year bonus based on accomplishment and the firm's performance."

02:38:09 mircea_popescu: exact quote.

02:38:14 mircea_popescu: allow me to lol.

02:44:10 mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, is what 30 years did to the us.)

02:44:10 asciilifeform: i might be thick, but - which this ?

02:44:10 mircea_popescu: i wanna meet the guy that DIDNT loise money paying mit-educated anythings 50-85k a year to do whatever they did. which whatever may not include "being acquired" or other purely bezzlematic shenanigans.

02:44:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when greenspun wrote that, he wasn't entirely wrong. yet.

02:44:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually he wrote this at the heights of the bezzlatronic 'dotcom boom'

02:44:10 asciilifeform: iirc

02:44:10 mircea_popescu: now it's a fucking laughingstock, like declaring it hard to lose money by playing scratch loittery.

02:44:10 asciilifeform: so nothing really changed other than the particular flavour of muppet being bathed in benjies

02:44:10 mircea_popescu: mebbe.

02:44:10 asciilifeform: none of greenspun's cohort was thusly bathed for creating anything like a properly salable product that somebody, somewhere, actually ~wanted~

02:44:10 asciilifeform: it was all acquisition/'exit' games, all the way down.

02:44:11 asciilifeform: or straight ponzi, e.g., yahoo, amazon

02:44:11 mircea_popescu: actually, his own description of arsdigita differs with your estimation.

02:44:11 mircea_popescu: the facts of the matter are that it had a positive cash flow and no investment.

02:44:11 asciilifeform: where did it go ?

02:44:11 mircea_popescu: maybe some wiggle room between these.

02:44:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was acquired by greylock and atlantic, who, according to him, fucked it all up.

02:44:11 asciilifeform: 'During the spring of 1999, for example, recruiting 5 hires would earn the employee a Honda S2000. Recruiting 10 employees would net a Ferrari F355. A trophy F355 in bright yellow was kept parked outside of the Prospect Street office in Cambridge to entice employees into recruiting. Later in the summer of 1999, as new management was brought on board, the policy was quietly changed to a lease of the cars, not outright ownership

02:44:11 asciilifeform: .' (pediwik)

02:44:11 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html << there, read the source for the quote. he meanwhile deleted it from his www but i had a copy.

02:44:14 assbot: ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxiqq4 )

02:44:14 asciilifeform: l0l

02:45:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281185 << heh.

02:45:03 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:22:11; ascii_field: these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they.

02:45:21 asciilifeform: 'We'd paid nearly $1 million in income tax on our profits for calendar year 1999. Not so bad considering that we built everything from a $10,000 investment.' << at the risk of cribbing from obama's 'you didn't make that company', greenspun... did not make that idiot dotcom gold rush!

02:45:32 asciilifeform: without it, quite likely, he would have been nothing.

02:45:45 asciilifeform: but yes, he got to sell the pick axes.

02:45:52 asciilifeform: for a while, anyway.

02:46:24 mircea_popescu: this is not a valid objection.

02:46:45 mircea_popescu: iirc they had some sort of graphical interface bs. there was demand for that in industrial circles quite legitimately

02:46:53 mircea_popescu: iirc he names siemens ?

02:47:04 asciilifeform: the 'web2.0'ism engulfed all

02:47:06 asciilifeform: incl. siemens

02:47:13 mircea_popescu: well of course. but this was calendar 1999

02:47:14 asciilifeform: hell, recall what siemens is most famous for today.

02:47:19 asciilifeform: (stuxnet platform)

02:47:21 mircea_popescu: "cheap apple copy" ?

02:48:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281217 << should appeal to randi the clown and her cohorts.

02:48:02 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:30:23; ascii_field: 'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit'

02:48:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho the '21' thing is a genuine puzzler.

02:48:40 mircea_popescu: why ?

02:48:44 asciilifeform: aside from outlandish hypothesis like 'hidden usg altcoin miner' - i can hardly think of any logical reason for it to exist.

02:48:57 asciilifeform: but possibly that's just me.

02:49:01 mircea_popescu: how about the neobee "brick and mortar stores" ? could you see a reason for those to exist ?

02:49:05 mircea_popescu: what about "bitcoin atms" ?

02:49:11 asciilifeform: i slept through the neobee thing

02:49:20 mircea_popescu: looky here : vc wants "adoption", and "adoption" means basically trying to hot topic all over something.

02:49:22 asciilifeform: the 'bitcoin atm' at least has some sort of practical lure

02:49:27 mircea_popescu: so they're blockchain technologizing.

02:49:51 asciilifeform: where, then, is the 'consumeratronic' aesthetic ? why no injection-molded case, blinkenlights, touch panel ?

02:49:58 asciilifeform: as with the atm

02:50:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281224 << years ago. never did much for them and quietly discarded.

02:50:08 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:32:19; thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners

02:50:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have to understand, the 21 thing is merely a remake of an ancient attempt by the coinbase/foundation scammers. it was called "coinlab".

02:50:45 mircea_popescu: also quietly discarded. like this will be, in a few years.

02:51:19 asciilifeform: yeah but this thing, at least on the surface, is laughably DOA

02:51:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281227 << that can not be right.

02:51:22 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:33:23; ascii_field: at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day.

02:51:28 asciilifeform: 120 Gh/s?!! srsly?

02:51:40 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,calc 120000

02:51:40 gribble: use the 'gentime' command instead

02:51:45 mircea_popescu: ;;gentime 120000

02:51:46 gribble: The average time to generate a block at 120000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 59335351233.9, is 67 years, 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 47 seconds

02:52:05 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 25 / 67 * 365

02:52:05 gribble: 136.194029851

02:52:09 mircea_popescu: tsk.

02:52:11 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 25 / 67 / 365

02:52:11 gribble: 0.00102228583112

02:52:16 asciilifeform: there we go.

02:52:45 mircea_popescu: quarter a day. how big is it ?

02:52:54 asciilifeform: the gadget ?

02:52:56 mircea_popescu: 120gh/s still need like 50W or so ?

02:53:09 asciilifeform: more like 10W iirc

02:53:19 asciilifeform: (the dev board it is attached to can supply no more)

02:53:38 mircea_popescu: then they're not mining 120gh

02:53:52 asciilifeform: advertised was '50 - 120' iirc

02:53:56 mircea_popescu: im telling you, the numbers aren't aha lol.

02:53:59 mircea_popescu: so you'll get 12.

02:54:13 asciilifeform: but say it is 200, even. still pocket lint.

02:54:22 mircea_popescu: this is more in line with what i had in my head. intel ran numbers came out with 0.0001 not 0.001

02:54:28 asciilifeform: esp. after the halving, difficulty slide, etc

02:54:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: intel was right. my figure assumes a frozen universe

02:54:51 mircea_popescu: there is some appeal to giving a kid a goose that lays a dollar egg each day.

02:54:59 asciilifeform: a $450 egg ?

02:55:11 mircea_popescu: hey, comes right out of their college fund :D

02:55:11 asciilifeform: goose, rather

02:55:38 mircea_popescu: besides, that $450 mud bike thery want is just gonna produce hospital bills.

02:55:41 mircea_popescu: better get the goose.

02:55:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, you'll know if this is their "killer ap" by xmas advertising.

02:56:07 mircea_popescu: if they murder it, that's the plan.

02:56:09 asciilifeform: it would make some elementary sense, even as a scam, if it were not for the exponentially decaying egg mass

02:56:19 mircea_popescu: you clearly never had kids.

02:56:22 asciilifeform: nope.

02:56:29 mircea_popescu: if anything survives five seasons the kid should be taken to doctor.

02:56:48 mircea_popescu: "say doc... why is my boy not breaking all his shit like all the other boys ?!"

02:57:41 asciilifeform: l0lz

02:57:51 pete_dushenski: this '21 math' is all too reminiscent of the very same exercise we did back in may of this year : www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/

02:58:09 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: same people, same basic idea, but for some reason scaled down

02:58:16 mircea_popescu: actually, im mildly surprised at this very retarded approach. the correct way to do this would be - have intentionately crippled miner. to decripple, kid has to solve puzzles.

02:58:18 asciilifeform: (it was to be a thing in 'every light bulb' and 'every tv set')

02:58:24 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the reason being : reality

02:58:29 mircea_popescu: the ultimate puzzle of course being how to flash the damned thing.

02:58:38 trinque: asciilifeform: that was just the advertising to bring in that massive round

02:58:39 mircea_popescu: i'd pay money for that if i had kids in the 9-15 range.

02:59:18 mircea_popescu: trinque was it massive ? didn't they get like 20mn ?

02:59:23 asciilifeform: 200!

02:59:26 trinque: thought it was 120mn

02:59:28 mircea_popescu: a, ok.

02:59:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281243 << dude get out, buy one. what do you think this is, the trezor ?

02:59:59 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:54; ascii_field: if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it

03:00:32 asciilifeform: see thread. the boojum, if there is one, is prolly on the miner die.

03:00:33 mircea_popescu: only indie schmucks deliver things. actually listed companies, be they s.nsa or 21co don't lower themselves to that!

03:00:38 asciilifeform: l0l

03:00:41 mircea_popescu: hehe

03:01:21 asciilifeform: speaking of, last i checked, 'trezor' was still reflashable from the usb jack.

03:01:24 pete_dushenski: https://bitbet.us/bet/1100/cardano-to-ship-in-2015/

03:01:25 assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2015 :: 4.97 B (68%) on Yes, 2.34 B (32%) on No | closing in 2 months 3 weeks | weight: 25`126 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1YxlJxy )

03:01:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281238 << yeah because all those names you named haven't been desperate for revenue in the past decade.

03:01:31 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:29; thestringpuller: and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it!

03:03:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281253 << dun tell me, that keybase thing ?

03:03:28 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:24; ascii_field: apparently they have a bastardized wot as well.

03:03:30 asciilifeform: the really galling thing, to me, re: the 200mil sc4mz0rz, is that for prolly less than half of that, a sane man could build a perfectly serviceable chip fab in the pampas or the like

03:03:32 mircea_popescu: or w/e it was called ?

03:03:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not keybase this time. a fresh one.

03:03:44 asciilifeform: (why?? ask them..)

03:03:49 mircea_popescu: would you stop already ? have you read the vc article ? what "half of that".

03:04:15 asciilifeform: of whatever they paid to have that thing shat out

03:04:19 mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli?s ad platform."

03:04:25 mircea_popescu: you understand already ? what 200 million ?

03:04:51 asciilifeform: or is mircea_popescu's argument is that the 200megabux is in 'recyclable real estate bezzle' usd, which, if spent on turkeys, would send shock wave that could topple cities ?

03:04:52 mircea_popescu: this is not a deal in which k is valuing x at y. it is a deal in which X!!! is valuing k at y.

03:05:11 mircea_popescu: contrary to how the book might read, it's not watson or wilson or w/e his name is that's begging.

03:05:13 mircea_popescu: it's the other guy.

03:05:24 mircea_popescu: this is how begging goes, "power men blablabla"

03:05:32 asciilifeform: the guy who needs 200megatonnes of reactor fluid recirculated and laundered ?

03:05:39 mircea_popescu: yeah.

03:05:53 asciilifeform: then yes.

03:06:04 asciilifeform: it would also explain why 'raspberry pi' and naked miner board circa 2012

03:06:27 mircea_popescu: what's leftover out of these deals to actually do thinks is very much reminiscent of what's left of a drone's salary to buy smokes.

03:06:45 mircea_popescu: "bad for you!11"

03:07:39 *: pete_dushenski just imagined predator drone hacking darts. chuckled.

03:07:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281264 << it's altogether dubious whether they'll be able to keep up, even with it preloaded.

03:07:51 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:43:43; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281194 <<< comes preloaded on sdcard

03:08:08 mircea_popescu: (obviously the actual thing won'd do any sort of useful verification, but for academic arguments' sake)

03:08:10 asciilifeform: easy to 'keep up' when you're headers-only-ing...

03:08:24 mircea_popescu: aha.

03:08:32 BingoBoingo: I honestly think these "Bitcoin Computers" are just 21 having stumbled into the lost cache of those missing BFL mini rigs and discovering they were exactly this.

03:08:39 asciilifeform: i have my doubts that there is anything resembling even a gavinized parody of the blockchain in there, at all

03:08:46 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

03:08:50 gribble: Current Blocks: 375556 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1435 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

03:09:59 asciilifeform: (incidentally, 67 connexions on zoolag, 28 on bucephalus, both at full height)

03:10:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281279 << dildonics!

03:10:02 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:48:54; ascii_field: (what commercial chip do you know of that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!)

03:11:41 cazalla: mircea_popescu, their words, not mine!

03:12:16 mircea_popescu: aha.

03:12:59 cazalla: http://www.wired.com/2015/09/4chan-sold/ nfi how much he got

03:12:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxo0c2 )

03:13:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281314 <<->> http://fraudsters.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-113.0-113.416

03:13:18 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:00:48; ascii_field: 2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1)

03:13:19 assbot: Digging through archives yields gold on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxo4Zk )

03:13:22 mircea_popescu: "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business."

03:13:23 mircea_popescu: etc.

03:13:25 asciilifeform: 'adult supervision', ellen paoization, snippetysnips, in 5,4,3,2....1

03:13:32 mircea_popescu: so yes asciilifeform i would say your understanding is broadly correct

03:13:52 mircea_popescu: the bitch is, this particular space has so far offered and in general promises to offer in the indefinite future tools to feed the little biches their own crows.

03:14:08 mircea_popescu: i confess however that the WHY is nebulous to me at this time, and the how come not much better.

03:14:16 mircea_popescu: but there's something structural at work to do with the meaning of money.

03:16:01 mircea_popescu: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc6._SR1000,750_.jpg << o hey check out, the idiots haven't exactly learn what the nigger words are in bitcoin.

03:16:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeeAjx )

03:16:15 mircea_popescu: good that they paid vin cerf or whoever for a sports endorsement

03:16:38 mircea_popescu: too bad they couldn't afford fiddy cents to find out that "no, don't do that"

03:16:44 asciilifeform: wai wut

03:17:18 mircea_popescu: which part

03:17:21 cazalla: for sake of logs - the 21.co blockchain on an SD card quote is http://dpaste.com/07AQSXN.txt

03:17:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YxoTl0 )

03:17:37 asciilifeform: 'haven't exactly... what the nigger words'

03:17:58 mircea_popescu: the nigger words are magic words which you shouldn't say unless you're prepared to not be invited for dinner.

03:19:21 mircea_popescu: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/21/17c9a4a078351735389d797dcf5b23f6.jpg << does this look like the face of an animal capable of love ?

03:20:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281328 << "soo... are you a lesbian or just fat?"

03:20:11 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:30:48; phf: i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types

03:20:56 phf: mircea_popescu: i don't think dadaism can be applied. the original joke seemed to be that you can pretend like you do art, have all the trappings of artists with no actual art involved, and it was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing. it's not funny anymore because the joke was a response to malevich and joice, kind of like "if there's nothing else left to do it, let's just have artists pretend like they are doing art an

03:20:56 phf: d get paid for it", but then repeated ad nauseam as if the original lack of art was art itself by people who have no skills or talents and later gavins, like warhol for general consumption. but it can't be applied, because there's nothing to apply there.

03:21:37 mircea_popescu: say, dja ever read my "what is art" thing ?

03:22:40 phf: yes, and what i got out of it is art is king says art is, which might be a misunderstanding

03:22:46 phf: *what

03:23:17 mircea_popescu: " was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing"

03:23:27 mircea_popescu: no more wealthy people, no more art as a possibility, is the proposition.

03:23:45 phf: oh interesting

03:24:02 mircea_popescu: in which sense dadaism is merely behaviour. ie, of the stupid.

03:24:09 mircea_popescu: in this sense indistinguishable from socialism.

03:24:26 mircea_popescu: the behaviour of the stupid in all fields being by definition about the stupid, not contaminated by the fields.

03:25:10 mircea_popescu: (this neatly puts the "all art is activism" thingee in its proper terms, too.)

03:27:47 mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets.

03:27:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwvPP6 )

03:28:05 phf: but there were still wealthy patrons then, maybe the exchange was, well, you seem to be running out of money and we're running out of ideas, so let's all just laugh about it, and that'd be that. in my imagination anyway, pre-soviet revolution is roughly when the last patrons were living out their last days

03:28:10 mircea_popescu: (i have never seen a toilet in the arab world, be it poor as fuck rural or not, that didn't have a water jet for your ass.)

03:28:42 mircea_popescu: phf how was stalin (or ceausescu, for whom i have documentary evidence) not a patron ?

03:28:59 asciilifeform: mega-patron.

03:29:15 asciilifeform: nobody alive today is fit to be his boot sole, patron-wise

03:30:08 mircea_popescu: well let's not exaggerate, but, i'd say "there's no way to draw a definition of patron that excludes stalin and still makes any sort of sense".

03:32:44 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in that same vein : there's no neo-nazi alive today or since the war invented, that would be fit to be stalin's boot sole in neonazism.

03:32:47 mircea_popescu: howabout that one!

03:34:02 phf: there was a line of patrons that all wanted same stuff but improved, fresh ideas rooted in the old ideas, or at least they accepted that as art. stalin did a sharp break with that, so maybe pre-stalin they were last patrons of the same lineage?

03:34:53 mircea_popescu: salon de refuses, like ?

03:35:38 punkman: mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets. << "if you can't afford a shitspoon, public shitspoon will be provided"

03:35:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwvPP6 )

03:35:57 mircea_popescu: (the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in art. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc.)

03:36:20 mircea_popescu: punkman no, it's just piped water with a faucet.

03:37:04 punkman: mircea_popescu: no I mean they'll probably make a law that public toilets need to have a shitspoon

03:37:11 mircea_popescu: o god

03:37:18 mircea_popescu: i was not ready for this truth.

03:38:46 BingoBoingo: !b 4

03:38:47 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38F99H4.txt )

03:39:07 phf: why, no. i'm thinking of, say, malevich's kvadrat, joyce's ulysses, bely's leningrad, all essentially as being the final point to a long conversation. the conversation might be valueless, but some wealthy people were watching and periodically clapping. stalin patronises essentially clean slate, in fact aggressively disinterested in the old conversation. but i guess i do see more value in pre-stalin art then i do in stalin's (mostly because

03:39:07 phf: imho the poetry of soviet union was atrocious), so i see pre-stalin as last patrons

03:40:12 mircea_popescu: i am unpersuaded by this thesis.

03:40:34 mircea_popescu: my own private suspicion is that stalin was very deeply conservative, and just didn't get lucky (for the most part) to find someone COMPETENT.

03:40:36 mircea_popescu: like at all.

03:40:48 mircea_popescu: the task would have been to restate the old conversation in proper terms, for a very sweet life.

03:41:35 mircea_popescu: but a) russian speaker who b) was actually a master of this trade and c) actually willing and able to stand on his own did not mostly happen to exist.

03:41:57 mircea_popescu: note that the pope that da vinci had to daily argue with was a very stalinesque figure in his own right.

03:42:00 phf: i think a lot of attempts were about that, like mayakovsky with his riffs on kvadrat theme

03:42:07 mircea_popescu: and they were shit

03:42:17 mircea_popescu: in a most egregiously scandalous manner.

03:44:33 phf: so the idea is that stalin was the patron in that same old tradition, simply by then the point was strongly made and everyone was left speechless.

03:44:52 phf: so stalin went "to fuck with the lot of you"

03:45:28 mircea_popescu: quite exactly.

03:46:17 mircea_popescu: and in my eyes the one to blame in this failure is !stalin.

03:47:01 phf: how so?

03:47:06 mircea_popescu: the only important, redeeming feature of art is that, like woman, will survive everything. in all times and places, its tits must poke out.

03:47:14 mircea_popescu: it's not fuckin science, and it may never be silent.

03:47:50 phf: well, stalin's art was shalamov's kolyma tales, for lack of better

03:47:54 mircea_popescu: lacking that quality, the "artists" are posers.

03:48:24 mircea_popescu: phf !stalin is "not-stalin", right ?

03:48:31 phf: ooh ooh

03:50:51 mircea_popescu: and also, all the "censored" "artists" have no excuse. why the fuck did da vinci EVEN PAINT women, at all ?

03:50:54 mircea_popescu: not like he wanted to.

03:51:11 mircea_popescu: imposed fucking topic by political power, apparently "women are a thing" in their twisted nonsensical view. what's he to do ?

03:51:14 mircea_popescu: paint women, that's what.

03:51:26 asciilifeform: eh day job

03:51:40 mircea_popescu: what, gioconda ?

03:51:44 asciilifeform: aha

03:51:49 mircea_popescu: (it was, but, again - what, gioconda ???)

03:55:23 phf: hmm, i see the point as it applies to mayakovsky. attempted to answer, had some promise, but then chocked. but i guess when it comes down to it, it's not so much that i see intrinsic value in art, it's that i'm claiming that shalamov is art. but then not being a wealthy patron, that's irrelevant. qed?

03:56:21 mircea_popescu: good enough for me, i'll take it :)

03:57:33 phf: heh, what an interesting resolution

03:58:00 mircea_popescu: one of the many atrocities perpetuated by the "derp revolution" is the creation of young men with artistic taste but without a family fortune to inherit.

03:58:19 asciilifeform: wai wut ?!!

03:58:24 mircea_popescu: very similar to "made everyone a little noble, but absent the usual incentives to reproduce - made everyone choose between thinking and having kids"

03:58:25 asciilifeform: these did not exist before ?

03:58:38 mircea_popescu: and also on it goes, "everyone may read and write - so go gitbub"

03:58:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not before the "romantic period" at any rate.

03:59:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88792 @ 0.00075583 = 67.1117 BTC [+] {5}

03:59:58 asciilifeform: ah hm

04:00:21 mircea_popescu: what is the "left sympathy" of the "West" other than the disilusioned of 3rd borns at their own disenfranchisement ?

04:00:27 mircea_popescu: and they'll fix it, i'm sure.

04:00:48 mircea_popescu: runts ever so often make the world a better place, that if they all unite the internet can't possibly be long away.

04:01:44 asciilifeform: not as if there were anything for the eldest to inherit these days, in typical case

04:01:50 mircea_popescu: (think of blair's own personal history - "england is great except for 2nd borns" "maybe you get lucky" "what if i don't ?" "let's make an empire, then". and after a century "empire work is too hard")

04:02:00 mircea_popescu: ofcoursenot. but for this reason.

04:02:16 mircea_popescu: the eldest didn't inherit naught but the tears of the non-elders, and their butthurt.

04:02:22 mircea_popescu: that's all the value that'll ever exist.

04:02:34 mircea_popescu: lolz and drama.

04:03:02 *: asciilifeform inevitably, when this comes up, thinks of the turks

04:03:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or in other words, to paraphrase, "the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in things. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc."

04:04:32 mircea_popescu: (hey, is my inclination to reuse qualify me as a noob lisp-er ?)

04:04:59 asciilifeform: nah just sanity

04:05:03 mircea_popescu: aok

04:06:00 mircea_popescu: gimme, you know, an independent value and i shall henceforth move the earth from orbit on its leverage.

04:06:23 asciilifeform: l0lrchimedes

04:10:32 phf: disenfranchisement is such a dirty word, we prefer wealth impaired

04:11:36 mircea_popescu: it happens to be proper. see, "wealth impaired" hints at the (mistaken) notion that you know, there's something out there, maybe you find it. whereas the system REQUIRES for there NOT to be such a thing.

04:11:59 mircea_popescu: you can never grow the pie. but if you can be made to believe you'll grow the pie, then all bets are off, and the whole house collapses into rubble.

04:12:43 asciilifeform: what is the pie in this line of thought ?

04:12:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38682 @ 0.0007519 = 29.085 BTC [-]

04:13:09 asciilifeform: (does it count as 'grow' if you, british, conquer india? build machine looms driven by gurlz ?)

04:13:29 asciilifeform: what means 'grow', other than discovering a duplicate planet somewhere ?

04:15:59 mircea_popescu: notrly even duplicate planet.

04:16:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281862

04:16:11 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:25; mircea_popescu: the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource.

04:16:25 mircea_popescu: you can find all the planets you wish.

04:16:43 asciilifeform: 'the pie' implied some harvestable resource, no ?

04:16:47 mircea_popescu: mno.

04:16:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu did not say 'cannot grow own balls'

04:16:56 mircea_popescu: lulz and butthurt.

04:18:25 asciilifeform: i was about to say 'balls cannot be grown from empty space' but it is conceivable that the biological foundation of what we think of as 'willpower' could be discovered and played with

04:18:38 asciilifeform: (pharmacologically or some other way)

04:19:20 phf: well, the way i see it, pre-soviets my family had a handful of hotels and titles with corresponding land, there's not much pie growing possible, it's either i who own them, or some bloke in the ru pipeline hierarchy, and as it stands it's not me. so i'm only parodying soviet terminology with "impaired" talk

04:20:12 asciilifeform: conveniently skipping the interim ?

04:20:22 asciilifeform: where su owned

04:20:39 asciilifeform: and used the proceeds to finance mathematics rather than golden toilets for a handful of degenerates

04:21:11 asciilifeform: (at least for the first half century or so)

04:22:46 phf: asciilifeform: i didn't intentionally skip for the purposes of "чайные ложечки" rhetoric, just talking about how the things are now

04:22:57 asciilifeform: ah ok

04:23:32 *: asciilifeform was bracing for the хруст французской булки (tm) (r) , pleasantly relieved

04:24:00 *: asciilifeform bbl

04:25:32 phf: бабка, по материнской линии то, с самим василием петровичем, городовым, чайи попивала, а вы говорите!™®

04:30:06 phf: i don't think mp talks about willpower, there's some sort of munchausenian pulling yourself by own bootstraps (in the original meaning of the passage) point that keeps eluding me

04:30:16 phf: in any case

04:30:17 *: phf bbl

04:32:13 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2300&pr=0

04:32:15 assbot: JL: Boomy Advises CSA Colonel James ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwK8Jg )

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05:15:27 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which Pete has way too much fun at Law School. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/21/in-which-pete-has-way-too-much-fun-at-law-school/

05:16:51 pete_dushenski: and with that, bon soir !

05:24:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00075655 = 25.7227 BTC [+] {3}

06:03:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform discovered it is. but played with...

06:03:58 mircea_popescu: turns out it plays with you.

06:04:20 mircea_popescu: it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em.

06:04:57 mircea_popescu: (i do not see any lack of continuity in soviet degeneracy as compared to pre-soviet, but then again that's just me._

06:11:35 mircea_popescu: ?I did a U-urn and screeched wheels and they began firing handguns at us?boom, boom, boom! I thought we would die, but their fire discipline is as poor as their manners.

06:11:37 mircea_popescu: aaahahahaha

06:11:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.0007568 = 26.488 BTC [+] {3}

06:23:49 mircea_popescu: !up muruc

06:25:53 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

06:25:57 gribble: Current Blocks: 375577 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1414 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 8 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

06:33:03 mircea_popescu: "Link your 21 box to your Twitter account, and any paywall website lets you read anything you want without popups, ads, or subscriptions." << except 90% of all paywall usage in bitcoin is to read fraudsters. which isn't in on this plan.

06:33:10 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, GENIUS

06:36:32 mircea_popescu: o look, tech crunch still beatying the "bitcoin governance" horse.

06:39:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46150 @ 0.00075658 = 34.9162 BTC [-]

07:13:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.0007558 = 23.6188 BTC [-]

07:33:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215900 @ 0.00075736 = 163.514 BTC [+] {7}

07:43:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34377 @ 0.00075791 = 26.0547 BTC [+] {3}

07:44:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6923 @ 0.00076027 = 5.2633 BTC [+]

08:04:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4937 @ 0.00076027 = 3.7535 BTC [+]

08:05:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2765 @ 0.00076027 = 2.1021 BTC [+] {2}

08:15:31 davout: good morning

08:51:14 punkman: https://www.facebook.com/notes/protect-the-graph/update-facebook-openpgp/1646991155541029

08:51:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcETCs )

08:55:19 shinohai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Artist chick shuddered at irc I think, wishes to contact you via email.

08:55:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

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09:23:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86800 @ 0.00075574 = 65.5982 BTC [-]

09:30:05 punkman: "After a year of design, development, and prototyping, Pooch selfie is ready to go to market." https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poochselfie/pooch-selfie-the-best-way-to-capture-selfies-with

09:30:07 assbot: Pooch Selfie: The Best Way to Capture Selfies with Your Dog! by Clever Dog Products — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuesh6 )

09:31:12 punkman: "patent pending"

09:33:31 shinohai: wow punkman

09:34:07 shinohai: So I can't just ducttape a tennis ball to my smartphone. I need to fund a kickstarter for this junk.

09:35:52 shinohai: I could literally pay some doge derp $1 to 3-d print that holder, I have the same product and the derp thinks "yay my currency is a success"

09:39:40 cazalla: punkman, ya think as much as a single person uses that facebook pgp?

09:40:23 punkman: cazalla: dunno, maybe a few

09:41:41 punkman: http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2015/09/21/peanut-exec-gets-28-years-in-prison-for-deadly-salmonella-outbreak/

09:41:42 assbot: Peanut Exec Gets 28 Years In Prison For Deadly Salmonella Outbreak | Bay Area Bites | KQED Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIYRWA )

09:42:49 punkman: naturally, because the CEO knew about salmonella in company emails

09:44:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00075229 = 18.5063 BTC [-] {2}

10:07:56 shinohai: irccloud get k-lined again?

11:17:32 shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3lx7xz/21_inc_fraud_eli5_in_10_simple_steps/

11:17:33 assbot: 21 Inc fraud ELI5 in 10 simple steps : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wfu1YI )

11:30:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45647 @ 0.00075447 = 34.4393 BTC [+] {4}

11:39:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00075846 = 42.3221 BTC [+] {4}

12:07:18 punkman: https://www.reddit.com/r/SorryForYourLoss

12:07:20 assbot: I stored bitcoins online ... aaaand they're gone. ... ( http://bit.ly/1iKvSXp )

12:17:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00075392 = 50.2865 BTC [-] {2}

12:21:19 shinohai: http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-files-9-patents-for-bitcoin-products/

12:21:20 assbot: Coinbase Files 9 Patents for Bitcoin Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1iKw3SB )

12:31:27 punkman: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/59/c9/f3/59c9f3086d79f0af29c2f3f4d2c7a893.jpg

12:31:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1iKwc8L )

12:44:40 shinohai: http://www.cio.com/article/2985252/us-congress-members-urged-to-communicate-using-encrypted-apps.html "The encryption used by communications apps such as WhatsApp is stronger than those of phone networks, says ACLU"

12:44:42 assbot: US Congress members urged to communicate using encrypted apps | CIO ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsJZJQ )

12:45:00 shinohai: My sides may split permanently.

12:54:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16512 @ 0.00075703 = 12.5001 BTC [+]

13:32:51 mircea_popescu: shinohai well the beauty of social media is that you can readily ignore individual people in pursuit of rules.

13:33:00 mircea_popescu: or in other words, not like she's the only one there neh ?

13:34:27 shinohai: Duly noted. No responses from anyone else yet but I'm actually enjoying art perusal so no biggie.

13:35:57 mircea_popescu: then this was made for you.

13:36:24 mircea_popescu: check out how the internet is giving a voice to ordinary people!

13:36:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282294 << selective breeding works, but is the exact opposite of what i meant - which was something more like a (hypothetical) electric implant that gives you iron determination at the push of a button

13:36:28 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 06:04:20; mircea_popescu: it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em.

13:36:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahahaha come on.

13:36:50 mircea_popescu: you know that long existed.

13:37:00 mircea_popescu: it's called a lobotomy!

13:37:09 asciilifeform: picture the opposite of lobotomy

13:37:15 mircea_popescu: (oh but you meant - do what i mean! not what i say!)

13:37:18 funkenstein_: http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/fed-cred-dead/

13:37:21 assbot: Fed Cred Dead | KUNSTLER ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfGj3t )

13:37:29 mircea_popescu: alfie, there's a reason things work the way they work which happens to be opposite of the way you want them to.

13:37:42 asciilifeform: 'i meant what i said and i said what i meant!' (tm) (r)

13:37:44 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ am i very lame if i have nfi who that is ?

13:38:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: engineer exists in order to take 'there's a reason why things work as nature intended' and feed it its own arse

13:38:10 funkenstein_: notrly, he makes some nice pieces from time to time though

13:38:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform THINGS.

13:38:25 asciilifeform: incl. people

13:38:28 asciilifeform: who, for instance, lack wings

13:38:30 mircea_popescu: would you not say the attempt to treat people as things has gone far enough ?

13:39:53 asciilifeform: note that i did not say that we are ~likely~ to live to see this kind of trick. research has been just about entirely in the lobotomy direction, rather than this, no prizes for guessing why.

13:40:07 mircea_popescu: research is never in a direction in this sense.

13:40:25 mircea_popescu: im sure if "stick a knife in his eye socket and push up" thing resulted in a coolotomy,

13:40:28 mircea_popescu: nobody'd have protested.

13:42:05 asciilifeform: this is true. but think of modern pharma, where one really ~does~ 'pick direction' in the sense that there are, say, 100M synthesizable compounds you can work with

13:43:12 mircea_popescu: looky here, if i strip a chick naked, blindfold her, stick a quart of diluted wine up her asshole, spin her around for five minutes and then encourage her to "move towards the cock she prefers"

13:43:23 mircea_popescu: 100m cocks in attendance or not, she ain't picking any directions.

13:45:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'direction' here is not in the sense of 'chemist knows the effect' - as i described in earlier threads, the models are shoddier than pretty much anyone involved in that racket is willing to admit in public. i was speaking in the sense of what usg permits to be fed to people, for test, and thereafter sold

13:46:48 funkenstein_: "Janet Yellen was left standing naked in the hot glare of her own carbonizing credibility, a pitiful larval creature, still maundering about ?the data,? and ?the median growth projection,? and other previously-owned figments spun out of the great PhD wonk machine in the Eccles Building."

13:46:53 mircea_popescu: not like that is any sort of limit of any practical importance.

13:47:13 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ not bad. who ?

13:47:20 asciilifeform: !s dopamine reuptake

13:47:21 assbot: 7 results for 'dopamine reuptake' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dopamine+reuptake

13:47:23 asciilifeform: ^example

13:47:24 funkenstein_: previous link ;)

13:47:48 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ guy should work for qntra.

13:48:03 mircea_popescu: dja know 'im ?

13:48:14 funkenstein_: not personally but followed for ages

13:48:42 mircea_popescu: http://kunstler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/HistoryoftheFuture_Thumb.jpg << omaigawd the stench of poverty in the shape of self published wonk.

13:48:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfI3tv )

13:48:56 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ so maybe it's time to make acquaintance!

13:49:35 *: funkenstein_ makes it so

13:49:50 mircea_popescu: "sprezzatura" first commenter ? oh COME ON

13:49:53 mircea_popescu: guy'd murder here.

13:50:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kunstler is, one of, orlov's mega-favourites. but i was never able to stomach his output.

13:50:38 mircea_popescu: "The Geography of Nowhere, or the rise and decline in america's man-made landscape", what's wrong wioth that ?

13:51:02 asciilifeform: that one's entirely readable, but like mr o, he tends to repeat himself.

13:51:38 mircea_popescu: http://kunstler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Kunstler-Logo-2-res72-final-e1372906270122.png << i wonder if he knows about crna macka, beli macor.

13:51:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfICDt )

13:55:41 mircea_popescu: "Mr. Kunstler was born in New York City in 1948. He moved to the Long Island suburbs in 1954 and returned to the city in 1957 where he spent most of his childhood. He graduated from the State University of New York, Brockport campus, worked as a reporter and feature writer for a number of newspapers, and finally as a staff writer forRolling Stone Magazine. In 1975, he dropped out to write books on a full-time basis. He

13:55:42 mircea_popescu: has no formal training in architecture or the related design fields."

13:56:07 mircea_popescu: he apparently also has no idea that he looks to people who actually know about the world as a retired and perhaps scandalous antrhopologist of the "physical" ilk.

13:56:35 asciilifeform: scandalous anthropologist ?

13:56:40 asciilifeform: how?

13:56:44 mircea_popescu: what exactly architecture would have to do with this is anyone's guess.

13:57:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for instance because one time he kicked all architects out of the room because "who the fuck asked you anything - man on the street knows more about buildings than you do"

13:57:38 mircea_popescu: (which happens to be true, architects know a lot about how buildings may be, and for this reason nothing about buildings that are)

13:57:48 asciilifeform: this is solidly true

13:58:03 mircea_popescu: just like no sane person takes smoking advice from gps.

13:58:06 asciilifeform: esp. in usa, where they get a three week course on 'why it stands up' and four years of postmodernist claptrap

13:58:07 mircea_popescu: GPs.

13:58:35 mircea_popescu: the three week course being in fact the whole profession

13:58:38 asciilifeform: aha

13:59:10 asciilifeform: if it were not for 'autocad' none of the output ~would~ stand up, either.

13:59:22 *: mircea_popescu still knows how to calc it all by hand.

13:59:31 mircea_popescu: INCLUDING the derivates aha.

13:59:31 *: asciilifeform same

14:00:03 asciilifeform: this was still taught in school, even in usa, when i was a kid.

14:00:18 mircea_popescu: well it's such an obvious application of number analysis 101

14:00:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11405 @ 0.00076029 = 8.6711 BTC [+] {3}

14:00:33 mircea_popescu: "oh teach why should i know this ?" "so you're not the sort of savage/monkey that is reduced to building mud huts"

14:00:33 asciilifeform: re: earlier thread: i have a sequel! to the broomstick story! here goes.

14:02:45 asciilifeform: one day mircea_popescu opens an opthamologist's practice! everyone lines up, wants to give it a try! fella walks in, 'i need new spectacles, measure my eyes.' mircea_popescu hands him... a nagant, polished, izhevsk 1941 mark visible, clean, one round in the drum. 'eat.' patient: ??? mircea_popescu: 'you can come back for this later, go home, have some children, raise'em poor and make sure the nearsighted ones die!'

14:02:55 mircea_popescu: (exercise to the aspiring anthropologists of the OTHER ilk in attendance ("cultural", ftr. you're welcome.) : write one page explaining the difference between "deficiente" and "disgraziato".)

14:03:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i die anytime soon i will be a fabulous character of folk history won't i.

14:03:36 asciilifeform: aha

14:03:47 asciilifeform: like haja nasredin, but better!

14:03:50 mircea_popescu: with rifles.

14:03:58 mircea_popescu: afanti with rifles.

14:04:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00075703 = 27.4802 BTC [-]

14:05:17 mircea_popescu: (and yes is what i mean by savage/monkey, and no it's not an easy point to grok, and yes i did have this as a term paper in my naked girly school once and so sure, imagine myself with the whiprifle looking down on your efforts if it helps)

14:06:37 asciilifeform: modern man-lite is guiltier of pyramids than of mud huts, but will transition smoothly to mud hut soon enough

14:07:03 mircea_popescu: modern man, if airdropped in africa, would have nothing useful to teach the natives.

14:07:13 mircea_popescu: then people wonder why boko haram, and why all the rest. srsly ?

14:07:58 phf: can teach them scientology

14:08:18 mircea_popescu: (incidentally, "boko haram" simply means - "you suck". it's deliberately named this way, in the same sort of joke vein in which /. was named that way - to get stupid old ladies confused by the metasyntaxis problem. so stop calling it this if you donm't actually agree the west is the suck.)

14:08:28 mircea_popescu: phf no he can't. for one thing - no license.

14:08:31 mircea_popescu: hurrrrr

14:09:45 mircea_popescu: to quote specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-09-2015#1281344

14:09:45 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:47:32; phf: there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you

14:09:54 mircea_popescu: little thought is given to "what did the daughter go there AS ?"

14:10:05 mircea_popescu: "i sent my piece of fuckmeat to africa - they don't know this about her there. yet."

14:10:11 mircea_popescu: "so i'm helping."

14:11:41 mircea_popescu: volunteer corps or whatever the fuck it's called made a lot more sense 20 yeasrs ago, back when kids COULD actually do architecture by hand. at least thye idea that hey, you don't HAVE TO live in mud huts could spread (it did). but today ? what exactly do they know "how the ipad must behave" ?

14:11:57 mircea_popescu: teach the rest of the world consumers have come to expect, aha, nice aids you got there.

14:12:06 asciilifeform: poul anderson's short story 'the man who came early' is about this.

14:12:29 asciilifeform: american bloke, circa 1950s, is in the army, falls into a time warp in iceland, ends up in 13th c.

14:12:37 asciilifeform: tries and comically fails to teach folks anything useful

14:13:02 mircea_popescu: no bark where they lived ?

14:13:10 mircea_popescu: antipyretics, already a lot.

14:13:18 asciilifeform: no bark ~in his pathetic head~

14:13:38 mircea_popescu: what is this, the brave private svjeik ?

14:13:47 asciilifeform: for instance, 'i'm good with metals!' -- 'what am i to do with this forge!?!!'

14:14:15 *: mircea_popescu recalls the recently published metal from scratch photoblog thingee.

14:14:22 mircea_popescu: is still impressed at the quality of the final blade.

14:14:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the cheat is in the fact that the 'from scratch' folks do not actually have to do the metallurgy

14:14:55 mircea_popescu: you recall the thing i mean ?

14:14:57 asciilifeform: they can start with mineral from nowhere near home, pre-refined

14:15:05 asciilifeform: the shovel kalash ?

14:15:08 mircea_popescu: no, he started with stuff from the bottom of a lake.

14:15:08 mircea_popescu: no.

14:15:32 phf: (http://orig15.deviantart.net/58c6/f/2012/243/f/2/raudan_valmistus_by_jarkko1-d5d2l2v.jpg)

14:15:40 phf: asciilifeform: ^

14:15:59 mircea_popescu: very metallurgy

14:16:05 mircea_popescu: i still suspect shenanigans re final piece, but hey.

14:16:12 asciilifeform: not clear from the picture what the provenance of the 'thing from the lake' was.

14:16:18 asciilifeform: could be from old car.

14:16:45 phf: http://jarkko1.deviantart.xyz/art/raudan-valmistus-324286519

14:16:47 assbot: raudan valmistus by jarkko1 on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfNbOi )

14:16:52 phf: "Searching and collecting the bog iron ore from the bottom of the river."

14:16:52 mircea_popescu: pic 5 has it ground to dust

14:16:55 asciilifeform: likewise, yes, the knife is shiny, but how do we know it cuts ?

14:17:04 asciilifeform: and cuts what, for how long, etc.

14:17:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean specifically the shape of the blade. very elegant.

14:17:26 asciilifeform: ah

14:17:29 asciilifeform: sure.

14:18:06 *: asciilifeform bbl

14:32:29 mircea_popescu: "Now it?s all aging badly, fraying, too costly to fix and, increasingly, not worth scraping off the land and replacing with a new cheap, shitty building. The younger generation doesn?t even want to live in that suburban dystopia. They run shrieking from it to Brooklyn, or even downtown Troy, New York, up the Hudson River Valley. Alas, this younger generation has also been broadly victimized by the college loan rack

14:32:29 mircea_popescu: et ? reinforced by the revised bankruptcy laws that make it impossible to ever write-off this sort of debt. When will they get political about it? Their debt loads will disfigure their lives as surely as a tour of duty in Vietnam would have forty years ago. Perhaps Siri has not informed them about this."

14:32:54 mircea_popescu: this is perfectly valid a point. it is unclear if vietnam cripple or new-new-new-new-feminism cripple are in a worse situation.

14:33:05 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, yeah, they dun got raped.

14:34:12 davout: 'Siri has not informed them about this' <<< kek

14:34:46 mircea_popescu: does anyone even use that thing ?

14:35:05 *: mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand".

14:35:30 davout: it gets old quickly, tried to order prostitutes, did not work, useless

14:36:05 mircea_popescu: "siri bitch, got any homeho's to get this party started???"

14:36:52 davout: siri would apparently rather be home and play videogames

14:37:34 mircea_popescu: there's only one thing that reliably exceeds in shocking ridiculousness the actual wishes and expectations of people

14:37:50 mircea_popescu: and that one thing is the idea merchants have about what those wishes and expectations are.

14:39:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9449 @ 0.00075703 = 7.1532 BTC [-]

14:39:39 mircea_popescu: "Meanwhile, what remains on the other head of this two-headed economy besides driving to-and-from the Walmart? Pornography? The tattoo industry? Meth and narcotics? Prostitution? Professional sports on the flat screen? Kim and Kanye? Grand theft auto? Do you really think Donald Trump can fix this?" << prostitution.

14:40:01 mircea_popescu: i foresee a great industry of buying american third gendered persons by the pound,

14:40:09 davout: gross

14:40:10 mircea_popescu: "processing" them

14:40:15 mircea_popescu: then selling the survivors by the head.

14:40:37 mircea_popescu: pay 2 maybe even 3 dollars a pound,

14:40:44 mircea_popescu: actual workable women still fetch 10-15k a head.

14:41:25 mircea_popescu: at 500 lbs average and with a 30% survival rate the numbers show a 300% gross margin available

14:41:31 mircea_popescu: to pay for the processing.

14:42:18 mircea_popescu: i suppose we could call this... 5th wave feminism.

14:43:15 mircea_popescu: could probably cut a deal with the cities so that they install solid bars spaced one foot apart somewhere downtown, circumscribing a sort of pen, then the police just dumps whoever in there. if they manage to go through the bars, or whatever, if someone lifts them up fine.

14:43:19 mircea_popescu: if not, sunday's buy day.

14:43:54 davout: haha

14:44:24 mircea_popescu: "sir... would you not like... to eat salami... of a sensitive artist...like me ????"

14:45:17 mircea_popescu: for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question.

15:00:09 punkman: eww, who'd want to eat american hamplanet

15:00:20 funkenstein_: i can't imagine you'd find buyers in the end but throw it up on kickstarter anyway?

15:01:37 mircea_popescu: punkman other ones.

15:01:39 mircea_popescu: "You are SO on the mark my friend. Nothing has improved unless you are a wall street banker public employee or large corporation. All of the above we can do without. There was and is nothing better than that small town america pre I phone and internet."

15:01:46 mircea_popescu: oh what the everloving fuck. seriously ?

15:01:59 mircea_popescu: the only thing good about that america was that it kept to its stupid self and i never ran into it.

15:02:38 mircea_popescu: punkman besides, think about all the valuable prion research this would usher in. GOOD FOR SCIENCE.

15:05:07 funkenstein_: "That site is welcome to republish my Monday blog. Other sites do. Be my guest."

15:05:47 mircea_popescu: interesting how failure works in humans.

15:06:05 funkenstein_: It's a cook book!

15:06:59 mircea_popescu: and it has one meal. "i dunno about that and i'm important so... how about that happens in terms im familiar with ?"

15:10:05 funkenstein_: sorta like.. learn variety speak?

15:10:31 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if it were not for 'autocad' none of the output ~would~ stand up, either. << When my youngest brother went on campus visits to engineering programs the Engineering College Dean joked that the architecture school was full of the Civil engineering program's failures

15:10:58 mike_c: heh. and civil is full of mech eng failures

15:13:16 funkenstein_: nah, variety speak is pretty open terminology compared to above failure mode

15:15:53 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Brother's doing mech, graduated this spring, decided to stay there a while longer

15:16:18 mike_c: ah, congrats to him. he's two orders of magnitude smarter than an architect :)

15:16:25 BingoBoingo: lol

15:18:09 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ for instance. but it's deeper than that, it's a strange thing. sort-of like "this is alien and so before anything it must prove its value to me in my own terms".

15:18:29 mircea_popescu: somehow emitter is completely unable to notice that means IT WILL KILL YOU then.

15:18:47 mircea_popescu: but somehow still knows it enough to go about making laws about how BAD killing is. you know... in general.

15:19:04 mircea_popescu: just in that [unthinkable!!!1] case where someone might want to. why would they!!! inconceivabru!!1

15:19:22 mircea_popescu: the sane "this is alien therefore must investigate" is rare enough to be usable as a selection heuristic.

15:19:59 mircea_popescu: mike_c or at least two degrees of separation.

15:20:12 BingoBoingo: Eh, kunstler is old enough father time will probably get him before you do mircea_popescu

15:20:34 mircea_popescu: i wasn't even proposing i was. who cares, yet another blogger.

15:20:52 mircea_popescu: but, induction. that age old method to derive value from worthless ingredients.

15:20:58 BingoBoingo: Ah

15:21:24 BingoBoingo: !up thstringpuller

15:21:52 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you will notice (im not even sure if that was attempted sarcasm or not tbf) that the imperative to learn variety speak is not so i can understand the othjer, but so that the other can begin to think.

15:21:59 thstringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lxbp0/coinbase_files_9_patents_for_bitcoin_products/ << anyone following the patent story?

15:22:01 assbot: Coinbase Files 9 Patents for Bitcoin Products : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhtW5 )

15:22:05 mircea_popescu: language is still the cheapest "mind amplifier" the world knows, to borrow an alfism.

15:22:13 mircea_popescu: and if properly curated it does actually work.

15:22:26 mircea_popescu: unlike the more expensive ones. which - don't.

15:22:28 thstringpuller: "20150262176, “Hot Wallet For Holding Bitcoin”;

15:22:28 thstringpuller: 20150262172, “User Private Key Control”;

15:22:28 thstringpuller: 20150262171, “Bitcoin Private Key Splitting For Cold Storage”

15:22:28 thstringpuller: 20150262168, “Instant Exchange”;

15:22:28 thstringpuller: 20150262141, “Personal Vault”;

15:22:30 thstringpuller: 20150262140, “Send Bitcoin To Email Address”;

15:22:33 thstringpuller: 20150262139, “Bitcoin Exchange”;

15:22:35 thstringpuller: 20150262138, “Tip Button”;

15:22:38 thstringpuller: 20150262137, “Off-Block Chain Transactions In Combination With On-Block Chain Transactions.”

15:22:45 mircea_popescu: !down thstringpuller

15:22:55 mircea_popescu: da fuck was that!

15:22:57 funkenstein_: aha thanks :)

15:23:17 mircea_popescu: oh wait i think his list was 9 items long

15:23:18 funkenstein_: in lulzier news http://i.imgur.com/i56S1pa.png

15:23:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhEk9 )

15:23:20 mircea_popescu: !up thstringpuller

15:23:50 BingoBoingo: TIL XTCoin is full of hamplanets https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ltau7/im_building_a_dice_game_and_want_to_integrate/cva0jz2

15:23:52 assbot: Hannott comments on Im building a dice game and want to integrate bitcoin like Satoshi Dice and Bitpotato... ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhHg2 )

15:24:24 mircea_popescu: "integrate bitcoin" ?

15:24:37 mircea_popescu: da fuck. how does that game even exist otherwise.

15:24:53 mircea_popescu: hi guise i am running linux and i thought i'd integrate the kernel.

15:25:21 *: mircea_popescu didn't even know kernel was differentiable.

15:27:22 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/i56S1pa.png << this is pretty much the entire story of "hyip".

15:27:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhEk9 )

15:27:30 mircea_popescu: sort of a diy scam thing.

15:28:50 mircea_popescu: also, am i the only one that thinks the butch cassidy&sundance kid film utterly sucked ?

15:29:09 mircea_popescu: i dunno why people are so gaga over it (in the us only - nobody cares afaik outside of the pesthole)

15:29:42 mike_c: I found it enjoyable.

15:29:55 mike_c: newman and redford are good together

15:30:19 mircea_popescu: i guess in an unstated solaris kind of way.

15:30:26 mircea_popescu: but that's not really about the film, is it ?

15:30:38 mircea_popescu: "here's an oreo wrapper with two mugs on it, bring your own film."

15:31:25 mike_c: I don't think it's amazing as a film, but I've seen it a few times.

15:31:25 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:31:34 mircea_popescu: at the very least the question as to WHY the phenomena observable take place is left entirely to the viewer. to my mind this disqualifies it.

15:31:41 mircea_popescu: but maybe i'm just being academitarded.

15:32:15 mike_c: I like it like the spaghetti westerns. Just good popcorn movies.

15:32:38 mircea_popescu: so this is basically the porn argument ? "i dunno man, i just like how those two tits match visually ? it's an aesthetic thing." ?

15:33:19 mircea_popescu: i always thought the spaghetti westerns were parodic, which makes them more palatable. tho i can't say i ever liked one.

15:33:47 mike_c: It's newman and redford - Nobody (should) be taking it too seriously.

15:34:07 *: shinohai eagerly awaits The Hateful Eight.

15:34:08 mircea_popescu: redford is mostly that policeman tv series to me. but newman made excellent films.

15:34:26 mircea_popescu: and yeah some pretty shitty ones.

15:35:07 mike_c: My issue with a lot of older movies like that is the love interest plotline would have been better left on the cutting room floor

15:35:44 mircea_popescu: wait there was erotic interest in that ?!

15:36:59 mircea_popescu: (incidentally, anyone remember barefoot in the park ? with a thoroughly indigestible barbarella, she could have been diaz in very bad things)

15:37:31 mircea_popescu: and speaking of very bad things, anyone seen that thing ? it's... hm. i humbly suggest it to the feminist hating crowd!

15:37:38 funkenstein_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gEFnZP5X8Q <-- saw live a month ago, great show

15:37:40 assbot: PRIMUS: SPAGHETTI WESTERN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOjstq )

15:39:29 punkman: http://www.podniesinski.pl/portal/wp-content/uploads/POD0710.jpg "Local nuclear energy guarantees a lively future"

15:39:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOjKRk )

15:39:39 punkman: http://www.podniesinski.pl/portal/fukushima/

15:39:41 assbot: FUKUSHIMA - podniesinski.pl ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOjLEE )

15:39:54 mircea_popescu: ahahaah

15:52:38 shinohai: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/bitcoin-anonymity-trr-encryption-tor/ <<< asciilifeform will LOVE this one.

15:52:39 assbot: The future of Bitcoin could be as anonymous and private as Tor ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOmAWp )

15:53:15 mircea_popescu: lol.

15:54:22 mircea_popescu: the "future of bitcoin" will be bitcoin, and it will be pointedly NOT "as anonymous and private" as a made-for-usg fake anon/privacy hangout. at the very least for as long as i'm around.

15:54:59 shinohai: Just make an altcoin and leave bitcoin to do what it does.

15:55:28 mircea_popescu: yeah, right. in other news, "Those who are interested in Trump are voting for a stop to the illegal immigration and the flooding of America with future Democrats who will have no jobs and live off food stamps, but are convinced the Democrats will keep their new way of life alive."

15:55:53 mircea_popescu: just like the libertard just went and made his country in africa and lived there happily ever after.

15:56:12 mircea_popescu: the entire fucking plan is to spend other people's money.

15:57:10 mircea_popescu: and for that, you gotta pretend you're part of something worth something. cant just go out in the field. they've not yet invented the saprophytical parasite.

16:04:01 mircea_popescu: "Likewise, barter is a very awkward way of doing business, especially when the other party to a deal is across the world. That?s why gold has acted as the medium of exchange for 5000 years or so and why gold or a gold-backed paper certificate will eventually replace all the fiat money that exists today."

16:04:02 mircea_popescu: ehehehe.

16:09:50 shinohai: umm .... ok because the gold standard worked out so well before.

16:10:57 lobbes: !up ascii_field

16:12:37 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282483 << where did mircea_popescu unearth the ipNohe ??! took it off a dead usg agent ?

16:12:37 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 14:35:05; *: mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand".

16:14:13 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i had an ipad for a while doing game research.

16:14:18 mircea_popescu: the shit s.mg pays me for :D

16:14:23 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282504 << people complain about pharmaceutically-polluted chickens and now we are to eat ~THIS~ ?!! l0l!

16:14:23 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 14:45:17; mircea_popescu: for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question.

16:14:50 mircea_popescu: people may complain, but people eat.

16:14:51 mircea_popescu: so...

16:15:16 ascii_field: 'them short pig ran out, we eat long pig now'

16:15:39 mircea_popescu: i really like my idea of the foot-apart steel pillar pen.

16:15:48 mircea_popescu: self-testing.

16:16:30 ascii_field: i don't actually know anyone, afaik, who could not - if with some effort - fit through that

16:16:50 ascii_field: fat compresses.

16:17:00 mircea_popescu: heh.

16:17:20 mircea_popescu: I THOUGHT THEY WERE BIG BONED

16:17:34 *: ascii_field pictures a t. rex

16:21:41 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282594 << l0l, догоним и перегоним америку in derpatronics !

16:21:41 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 15:52:38; shinohai: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/bitcoin-anonymity-trr-encryption-tor/ <<< asciilifeform will LOVE this one.

16:23:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00075703 = 15.1406 BTC [-]

16:29:28 ascii_field: 'Bitcoin did not respond to a request for comment about TRR.' << he died, motherfuckerz ! have el minimo respeto por los derpadores !!11

16:30:10 shinohai: xD

16:30:18 mircea_popescu: lol

16:30:26 mircea_popescu: wtf is that ?

16:31:27 mircea_popescu: so facebook supports non-rsa-only pgp ? heh mkay.

16:32:45 ascii_field: l0l wat !?

16:32:49 ascii_field: specifically non-rsa ?

16:33:13 mircea_popescu: i dunno they keep derping about how they support ecc and how great it is and how blabla. protonmail.

16:33:15 ascii_field: and what's it mean to 'support' pgp ?

16:33:20 mircea_popescu: nfi.

16:33:31 ascii_field: what, i can't walk over and drop in a base64 turd ?

16:33:39 ascii_field: into the comment box or whatever

16:35:56 mircea_popescu: you don;t understand how the world works.

16:36:12 ascii_field: evidently.

16:37:32 ascii_field: ' S obtains a list of online TRR nodes and their public keys then selects three to five nodes randomly to form a routing. We call the first node of the routing the ‘starting node’ and the last node the

16:37:32 ascii_field: 7

16:37:32 ascii_field: ‘releasing node’. S generates a pair of public keys to encrypt the return data then inserts the public key into the routing information for each node...' << tor, snore.

16:41:58 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

16:42:28 ascii_field: aaaaand we get to the point where they advocate the use of ecc

16:42:49 ascii_field: aha, let's Run Moar Ecc! in real time! with average pc rng !

16:42:51 ascii_field: sure.

16:42:56 mircea_popescu: ayup

16:54:24 mircea_popescu: !up BitcoinConsultan

16:54:29 mircea_popescu: is that armenian ?

16:57:47 kakobrekla: !rate BitcoinConsultan 1 gonna do some work for me

16:57:47 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b93c8571f17cfee7

16:59:00 kakobrekla: !v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.BitcoinConsultan.1:93a7e68ec9677527ce4b06b9cb75c0f7dbebadac211fdbb3adb559f55a8034b0

16:59:00 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for BitcoinConsultan with note: gonna do some work for me

17:00:02 kakobrekla: !gettrust BitcoinConsultan

17:00:03 assbot: Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user BitcoinConsultan: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=kakobrekla&to=BitcoinConsultan | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/BitcoinConsultan/

17:00:45 kakobrekla: well this is awkward

17:01:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00075703 = 21.1211 BTC [-]

17:01:29 mircea_popescu: what is ?

17:01:40 kakobrekla: how am i suppose to get keyid

17:01:45 kakobrekla: who made this thing anyway!!

17:01:57 mircea_popescu: o.O

17:02:20 kakobrekla: btcalpha is delayed right

17:02:25 mircea_popescu: mike_c would it be possible to have calls to http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/BitcoinConsultan/ check on the spot ?

17:02:26 assbot: WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1YzPM7E )

17:08:55 kakobrekla: or !keyid <nick> perhaps

17:09:37 mircea_popescu: !whois kakobrekla

17:10:09 assbot: nfi

17:10:10 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know, !gettrust could say BitcoinConsultan (soandso) instead of just BitcoinConsultan.

17:10:24 mircea_popescu: proper-er form anyway.

17:10:33 mircea_popescu: actually, no.

17:10:36 mircea_popescu: !gettrust mircea_popescu

17:10:36 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mircea_popescu: ∞ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mircea_popescu/

17:11:08 mircea_popescu: should read : Trust relationship from mircea_popescu to 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 (mircea_popescu)

17:11:25 shinohai: dat infinity trust

17:11:50 mircea_popescu: some dogs more trusty than others yo!

17:11:52 ascii_field: what next, self-negrates ?

17:12:11 mircea_popescu: !rate mircea_popescu 10 Bro!

17:12:11 assbot: You can not rate yourself.

17:12:37 shinohai: !rated mircea_popescu

17:12:37 assbot: You have not rated mircea_popescu.

17:12:42 shinohai: O.o

17:12:47 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:12:50 shinohai: !up ascii_field

17:13:04 ascii_field: legend has it that kara mustafa pasha rated himself -10 after failing to seize vienna

17:13:40 mircea_popescu: his name was LALA

17:13:45 shinohai: !rate mircea_popescu 1 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert.

17:13:45 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8f74a0ec10668141

17:14:18 mircea_popescu: best whore name ever.

17:14:32 shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.mircea_popescu.1:1105ef4146cf896779115b949a7ae88ba71aec75ff8d03dd240e0c52de3ab255

17:14:32 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mircea_popescu with note: Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert.

17:14:44 shinohai: Now I feel better.

17:18:02 mike_c: mircea_popescu: yes

17:18:12 mike_c: sort of.

17:18:21 mike_c: I'll take a look.

17:18:24 mircea_popescu: well, meanwhile we figured out change in assbot response saner solution

17:18:37 mircea_popescu: but in principle if it's feasible it wouldn't hurt also.

17:26:14 mike_c: kakobrekla: btcalpha eats the nightly db dumps

17:30:57 mike_c: problem with doing it live is that http://w.b-a.link/user/BitcoinConsultan doesn't have nearly as much info as the btcalpha user page

17:30:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ky2Ikf )

17:31:07 mike_c: like registered since, fingerprint, etc.

17:31:13 mike_c: just has trust ratings

17:32:05 mike_c: but i could at least put that blob on the 'not found' page

17:34:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67596 @ 0.00075703 = 51.1722 BTC [-]

17:43:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140250 @ 0.00075479 = 105.8593 BTC [-] {5}

18:09:37 kakobrekla: mike_c maybe not a bad idea

18:10:01 kakobrekla: no rush tho

19:27:11 shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3le3dg/discussion_on_forum_stating_that_xt_is_a_failure/cv5mhwg

19:27:13 assbot: BusyBeaverHP comments on Discussion on forum stating that XT is a failure. Thoughts? ... ( http://bit.ly/1V87Arh )

19:27:16 shinohai: !up ascii_field

19:29:58 mircea_popescu: lol scamcoin of the day is not dead at all!

19:30:09 mircea_popescu: just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy.

19:34:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.0007519 = 6.9551 BTC [-]

19:35:05 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

19:36:10 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282711 << 'that is not dead which can eternal lie...' (tm)

19:36:10 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 19:30:09; mircea_popescu: just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy.

19:36:29 ascii_field: and with strange eons, even sense may die

19:36:53 mircea_popescu: sounds like a business!

19:39:26 mircea_popescu: you know who else meets this description ? "team garza". https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.0

19:39:28 assbot: New Lending Platform BitLend.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kyh5oz )

19:42:08 mircea_popescu: !up ubbersith

19:45:49 BingoBoingo: lol, that shorting charade https://imgur.com/BS9v4Ow

19:45:50 assbot: circle pivots - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyhGXb )

19:46:42 shinohai: "team garza" I love it.

20:02:43 ascii_field: 'At DEC’s founding, the US Congress decided that the US government had bought too many computers, and decreed that no more would be bought until those machines already acquired were fully loaded. So DEC sold PDPs, not computers.'

20:03:36 trinque: that's pretty good

20:03:52 trinque: "No Mr Congressman, these are merely data processors which happen to be programmed."

20:05:39 trinque: !up ascii_field

20:21:14 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo further proof (if such were needed) that no usg/vc funded item is a bitcoin company.

20:21:27 mircea_popescu: they may try to scam bitcoiners, for money, yes. but bitcoin companies they can not be.

20:22:24 ascii_field: they ~are~ 'bitcoin companies' in the 'roach motel' sense

20:22:37 ascii_field: 'feel free to put it ~in~, just don't expect it to come out again'

20:22:46 ascii_field: 'spreading on bread - works!!111'

20:23:07 mircea_popescu: how is this a bitcoin company ?

20:23:16 ascii_field: how is 'roach motel' a motel ?

20:23:17 mircea_popescu: is the miniguillotine a masturbation tool ?

20:23:22 ascii_field: dulap!

20:23:55 ascii_field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roach_Motel_%28insect_trap%29 << the american traditional artifact in question

20:23:56 assbot: Roach Motel (insect trap) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LuoXfT )

20:24:01 mircea_popescu: oh

20:24:08 mircea_popescu: i thought you just meant "shitty hotel"

20:24:15 ascii_field: nah

20:24:38 ascii_field: 'Black Flag also marketed a related insect trap, the "Flyport," designed to deal with unwanted flying insects like houseflies, with the tagline, "Lots of arrivals, but no departures!"' << l0l

20:24:44 mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone buy this ?

20:25:10 mircea_popescu: seems like a terrible idea.

20:25:16 ascii_field: doesn't it ?

20:26:02 mircea_popescu: for one thing, cockroach infestations only become perceptible to average human after dozens of lbs of cockroach matter are moving around.

20:26:28 ascii_field: aha

20:26:34 ascii_field: i thought this was well-known.

20:26:57 mircea_popescu: i guess the problems in the ustard head are actually there. same sort of thinking that creates "war on drugs" creates this thing, too.

20:27:14 mircea_popescu: unsustainable and provably-won't-solve-the-problem but hey, it has a nice package!

20:27:20 ascii_field: my understanding is that the 'motel' notion was partly a misguided variation on the usual rodent trap, and partly a cynical scam (there could never be, clearly, anything like sufficient room in the trap, but it will superficially appear to 'work')

20:27:24 trinque: you're being sold "I did something"

20:27:28 ascii_field: ^

20:28:35 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's these fluorescent + static things to murder flying bugs outside, at least those do something.

20:28:50 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aaaactually it too is a scam!

20:29:03 ascii_field: i have one. it mainly blows up beetles but does nothing against the real pestilence, the mosquito.

20:29:19 mircea_popescu: well mosquitoes aren't light-navigators.

20:29:20 ascii_field: spectacular snaps, crackles, pops, very little actual use.

20:29:45 ascii_field: doesn't work even with the supposed lure

20:29:53 ascii_field: (they fly straight through the grid)

20:30:16 mircea_popescu: lol well get a thinner one eh.

20:30:32 ascii_field: ~100V/mm breakdown v of air at stp !

20:31:12 mircea_popescu: mosquito killer doesn't need that high voltage.

20:32:41 mircea_popescu: http://www.mont.ro/stiri/?editia=20150905&pagina=1&articol=41500

20:32:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXw3d1 )

20:32:48 ascii_field: the ~right thing~ would be a grid that is normally at low voltage but boosts to max if capacitance changes (bug touched)

20:32:57 mircea_popescu: guy fucks 15 yo daughter of his gf. child results. is convicted, but suspended sentence.

20:33:05 mircea_popescu: guy moves on to 15yo's sister.

20:34:05 mircea_popescu: so he gets two years (plus two from the original, suspended sentence)

20:37:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61150 @ 0.00075146 = 45.9518 BTC [-] {4}

20:48:39 jurov: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-australia-bitcoin-banking-idUSKCN0RM06020150922

20:48:41 assbot: Australia's major banks pull plug on bitcoin companies | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXxNDk )

20:48:50 jurov: no remittances, no butts!

20:51:57 mircea_popescu: aww.

20:52:35 jurov: best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt.

20:53:26 jurov: wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week."

20:56:40 BingoBoingo: <jurov> wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week." << Hard to get the same level of repeat customers buying more every week

20:57:52 jurov: then again, birds do catch them, you may want to replenish

21:01:55 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282775 <<< we have bats that live in the barn across the road. They decimate the mosquito population nearby.

21:01:55 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 20:52:35; jurov: best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt.

21:09:07 gernika: I live about half a mile from the Pacific Coast. Constant cool breeze seems to have eliminated them completely.

21:09:20 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:09:26 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: https://cryptome.org/2015/09/america-big-lie.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/0FH2STG << l0ltr0nic

21:09:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRL4Pk )

21:09:30 assbot: dpaste: 0FH2STG ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRL55F )

21:13:48 BingoBoingo: Here we have trucks that go around farting fog that thin out, but do not eliminate mosquitoes

21:14:45 ascii_field: here, we just have mosquitoes.

21:15:04 gernika: and fireflies!

21:16:31 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: You are prolly to close to the lizards and hippies for the fog trucks

21:20:30 cazalla: seen felipelalli

21:20:43 cazalla: or is it ;;? lastseen? it's early, anyone?

21:21:42 cazalla: ;;seen felipelalli

21:21:42 gribble: felipelalli was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <felipelalli> They setup 3500 nodes in few minutes, low blow.

21:21:57 punkman: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-australia-bitcoin-banking-idUSKCN0RM06020150922

21:21:59 assbot: Australia's major banks pull plug on bitcoin companies | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXxNDk )

21:22:01 punkman: oops

21:22:04 ascii_field: ;;seen artifexd

21:22:05 gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.

21:22:17 punkman: http://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_porniest_grave_in_pariss_pere_lachaise_cemetery

21:22:17 assbot: What a dick: The porniest grave in Paris’s Père Lachaise cemetery | Dangerous Minds ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRM6e1 )

21:23:22 cazalla: punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new

21:28:18 BingoBoingo: <cazalla> punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new << This, someone had a slow news day and wanted to make a fuss

21:31:01 BingoBoingo: !up PeterL

21:31:15 PeterL: Hi Bingoboingo

21:31:27 BingoBoingo: Hi PeterL, How's the lab?

21:31:38 PeterL: It's okay

21:32:01 PeterL: Nothing very interesting, just testing lots of Pepto-knockoff recently

21:32:10 PeterL: stuff smells good

21:35:00 PeterL: You follow college fooball?

21:36:17 phf: op_checksig is horrendous

21:37:20 PeterL: A while back mircea_popescu was amazed no US cell phones have free incoming: my cell phone is unlimited calling, therefore free incoming (MetroPCS)

21:37:27 phf: the whole 10 step program of "take some bits and do some stuff with" them

21:39:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62050 @ 0.00075674 = 46.9557 BTC [+] {3}

21:39:05 BingoBoingo: PeterL: Been following it a Bit. I'm worried because Mizzou won its non-Conference schedule and Georgia beat SOuth Carolina. We might not take the SEC East this yeat.

21:39:28 PeterL: They will if they keep winning

21:40:07 BingoBoingo: They won't keep winning if they play like they did barely beating Arkansas State and U Conn

21:40:11 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:40:14 PeterL: My Spartans got ranked #2, and the #1 OSU is looking pretty shaky, I don't think they will last long enough for us to knock them off their pedestal

21:40:31 BingoBoingo: Yeah, OSU could go down to MSU

21:40:55 PeterL: I wish more teams played good competition in their non-confrence schedules

21:41:34 PeterL: I don't think a win over a FCS school should count on the record (but a loss should count as 2)

21:42:15 BingoBoingo: I don't think Mizzou can and survive their non-divisional conference games without sever embarassment. Our big problem is Mauk lost the only recievers who can catch his passes and our elite running back sprained his ankle against Southeast Missouri...

21:42:46 PeterL: makes it hard to win if you can't move the ball

21:44:22 BingoBoingo: Yeah. Last year was had some very grabby recievers, but still won games on the ground.

21:44:57 BingoBoingo: Which is kinda part of why Alabama killed us in the SEC championship. Hard to run against a fast 300-350 lb line

21:45:43 PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-09-2015#1271995 << Heaviside sounds alot like the character Sheldon on "The Big Bang Theory"

21:45:43 assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 23:23:51; mircea_popescu: "To get Heaviside away from Newton Abbot, his brother Charles arranged for him to live with his sister-in-law, Mary Way, at her home in Devon. Since Mary lived alone, having the eccentric Heaviside live upstairs from her seemed like a good idea. Unfortunately, things got even more bizarre at that point. Heaviside insisted on treating Mary as a slave despite her being the owner of the house. Not

21:46:22 PeterL: grabby receivers as in they catch all sorts of things?

21:48:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00075897 = 9.5516 BTC [+] {3}

21:48:18 cazalla: BingoBoingo, this shit is doing the rounds again too http://www.econotimes.com/Islamic-State-using-bitcoin-to-fulfil-state-crafting-ambitions-92261

21:48:19 assbot: Islamic State using bitcoin to fulfil state-crafting ambitions - EconoTimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wh5UZD )

21:48:50 BingoBoingo: PeterL: Yeah, they caught all kinds of things that had no business at all being caught.

21:50:01 BingoBoingo: PeterL: But at least for next year we've already signed a 3-star tight end and our next great white hope at quarterback is getting some game time this year as a true freshman

21:50:50 PeterL: Why are so many quarterbacks white? And are there any good white running backs?

21:51:05 BingoBoingo: Mauk will still have a year of eligibility next year, but he should convert nicely to backup QB and rare white running back

21:51:12 BingoBoingo: High school peterl

21:51:21 BingoBoingo: High school and Texas

21:51:39 PeterL: Don't they have black kids in texas?

21:52:48 PeterL: I think my HS football team had 4 black kids, and one of them was the running back.

21:53:19 BingoBoingo: PeterL: They have black kids in texas, but they slot them into running back

21:55:11 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282830 << until they carve public key on camera into the back of a prisoner or ten, how exactly could would-be donors know that they are sending to isis and not to usg ?

21:55:11 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 21:48:18; cazalla: BingoBoingo, this shit is doing the rounds again too http://www.econotimes.com/Islamic-State-using-bitcoin-to-fulfil-state-crafting-ambitions-92261

21:55:40 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: No idea really

21:55:55 mircea_popescu: jurov dragonflies only trhive in particular desert climate.

21:56:21 jurov: i live in desert?

21:57:04 jurov: pediwikia says they live anywhere except (sub)arctic

21:57:18 ascii_field: when they lay out a quality rsa8192 in the desert using beheaded infidels, fresh and still spurting, then.

21:57:46 ascii_field: (what is the minimum number of corpses required ?)

21:58:04 mircea_popescu: jurov from what i've seen, it's a certain river + sandy dune thing they like.

21:58:12 mircea_popescu: gotta have scorching sun + water source

21:58:17 PeterL: ISIS could clearsign a statement with their donation address? Have they published any public keys to compare against?

21:58:25 trinque: mircea_popescu: sounds quite like houston, haha

21:58:28 ascii_field: PeterL: not afaik

21:58:34 mircea_popescu: who do you know in isis PeterL ?

21:58:41 ascii_field: PeterL: and even if they had, there is nothing to associate the keys with the genuine article

21:58:51 PeterL: well, nobody, but I havn't been looking hard

21:58:58 ascii_field: usg laughs when morons 'donate to isis'

21:59:23 PeterL: didn't somebody here say that isis is just a usg puppet anyway?

21:59:29 ascii_field: muppet

21:59:33 mircea_popescu: so if you know nobody what are you going to verify it against.

21:59:33 ascii_field: important difference.

21:59:35 PeterL: convinient boogyman?

22:00:02 mircea_popescu: ascii_field has these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history.

22:00:09 mircea_popescu: thus things can be x and non x and back again.

22:00:20 ascii_field: how's that

22:01:09 mircea_popescu: isis wiped the us army

22:01:11 mircea_popescu: "except not really"

22:01:17 mircea_popescu: "us army wanted to be wiped anyway"

22:01:19 ascii_field: 'muppet' is to be understood as a kind of quasi-autonomous golem.

22:01:21 mircea_popescu: "it was all planned" etc.

22:01:46 mircea_popescu: quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history."

22:01:50 ascii_field: a certain amount of 'u.s. army gets wiped' is always planned. at least on account of it never going 'all in'

22:02:04 mircea_popescu: we don't agree on what planned means.

22:02:05 ascii_field: last i heard, usg was not levelling syria with tactical nukes

22:02:12 mircea_popescu: so ?

22:02:43 mircea_popescu: last i heard germany is not levelling new york with tactical nukes either.

22:03:01 mircea_popescu: 'oh but germany couldn't, oinly us could" "how come ?" "it's part of my scenography for this bit of fan fiction"

22:03:03 mircea_popescu: "aok then."

22:03:05 ascii_field: germany is not sending squads of mercenaries to get own arses fed to them in new york

22:03:15 mircea_popescu: and you know thios because none were caught ?

22:03:48 ascii_field: for all i know, new york isn't even there any longer. been a while since i visited.

22:05:19 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282871 << the basic textbook example is mujahedeen in afghan.

22:05:19 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 22:01:46; mircea_popescu: quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history."

22:05:48 mircea_popescu: the missing part of this "textbook" is how come there's no equivalent in say artic circle.

22:06:16 ascii_field: i'd be surprised if usg had never tried to roust up rebellion among the chukchas

22:06:30 ascii_field: but evidently it came to nothing.

22:07:15 mircea_popescu: so then all this talk is really so much cockpulling.

22:07:39 mircea_popescu: "oh our marketing made people do so and so".

22:07:44 mircea_popescu: "really ? make them sit on a pineapple."

22:07:52 mircea_popescu: "no, you can only make them do things they were gonna do anyway"

22:07:57 ascii_field: inclined to do.

22:08:00 mircea_popescu: "oh. useful! i hope you went to college for this."

22:08:13 ascii_field: and it isn't 'make do', but 'supply arms'

22:08:27 ascii_field: plenty of people 'would like'.

22:08:44 mircea_popescu: yeah, totally. and if i go buy a twelve year old hooker in the DC, it's also the usg that supplied her right ?

22:09:53 mircea_popescu: "The [Washington] Post lied to its readers by printing stories it knew were false," mmmkay.

22:10:44 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:12:55 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i might be thick, but i entirely cannot see how the hooker connects.

22:13:52 mircea_popescu: you have no better reason to pretend "x has arms because y" than to pretend "x has 12yo hooker because y". the choice of which of these to emphasize is the liberty of the scriptwriter in works of fiction.

22:14:17 mircea_popescu: because that's the thing with fiction : it's nonsensical, which means you absolutely need a carefully curated set of sentences be considered

22:14:21 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: so where did the arms, food, etc. come from ? fell from mars ?

22:14:26 mircea_popescu: (aka suspension of disbelief)

22:14:34 mircea_popescu: no, they bought some and stole the rest.

22:14:39 mircea_popescu: where do things normally come from ?

22:15:06 ascii_field: from crates dropped to aid 'syrian rebels' daily, for a year ?

22:15:13 mircea_popescu: THEY STOLE THEM.

22:15:38 mircea_popescu: your gambit is to administratively suspend isis' agency, because you're too enamoured with the usg and that requires you (also administratively) assign all agency to it.

22:15:52 ascii_field: stole how? crate had address 'to rebels, but not THESE rebels' ??

22:16:03 mircea_popescu: they came upon an item and took it.

22:16:06 mircea_popescu: what do you think theft is ?

22:16:15 mircea_popescu: (hint : you can't donate to a mouse. it steals all it ever gets.)

22:17:23 ascii_field: i suppose next mircea_popescu will reveal that usg dropped stingers 'for mujahedeen' but not for taliban.

22:17:27 ascii_field: (technically true!)

22:17:32 mircea_popescu: nobody cares what the usg "did"

22:17:38 mircea_popescu: it does not have the capacity for agency, there.

22:17:52 mircea_popescu: so it did exactrly nothing. the men i nthat relationship are non-us

22:17:56 mircea_popescu: the us can't even consent.

22:18:02 ascii_field: let's rephrase without the agency.

22:18:07 mircea_popescu: curious how that'd go.

22:18:11 ascii_field: it has pieces of itself, that come loose, like the zombies in 'quake'

22:18:15 ascii_field: the pieces are edible.

22:18:23 mircea_popescu: "usg spent some items to addresses it didn't have the key for. isis cracked the keys."

22:18:29 ascii_field: has resources that get dropped in various places.

22:18:46 mircea_popescu: so far sounds a lot like an apple tree.

22:19:02 mircea_popescu: so i guess the real story here is, mujahedeen cultivated usg to provide them with apples.

22:20:13 ascii_field: rather like nigerian petro thieves 'cultivate' the pipe they drill little holes into.

22:20:45 mircea_popescu: or like greeks curate eu banks.

22:20:48 mircea_popescu: do they ? don't they ?

22:21:03 ascii_field: aha

22:21:03 mircea_popescu: political choices are in the end nude exercises in narrative fiction.

22:22:24 ascii_field: except that buried in all of these are actual questions of fact that have - somewhere - answers. such as 'does this army fully support itself on plunder, or needs external supply, and if so, from where'

22:22:39 mircea_popescu: that is not an answer which can be made into a question.

22:23:17 mircea_popescu: ("our tanks photosynthesize now!!11 SUPPORTS ITSELF!!1")

22:24:17 mircea_popescu: the very definition of army includes two points : a) that it does not support itself (if it did it'd be a stampede) ; b) that it makes up the difference through plunder.

22:24:20 mircea_popescu: this is what an army is.

22:24:29 mircea_popescu: the definition of inputs into the army camp is "plunder".

22:25:41 ascii_field: but isis is being advertised as a conquering thing in the ancient sense. with territory held, administered, taxed

22:25:50 mircea_popescu: advertised by whom where.

22:26:31 mircea_popescu: as far as i can see the only salient points re isis are that a) has own agency ; b) percepibly unalligned to usg.

22:26:44 ascii_field: by - supposedly - itself. but this is where we go back to 'i don't have a public key for it, so what, if anything, is to be taken as 'it said' is a ???.'

22:27:59 mircea_popescu: we don't disagree there.

22:28:49 *: ascii_field bbl

22:39:27 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/cHxmW << awww.

22:39:28 assbot: Increasing number of early adopters cashing out. ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5uwJ )

22:39:53 mircea_popescu: anyway, the angry jealous poor club should take solace in the knowledge that i've shed more dollar value this calendar year than they will ever manage to see.

22:40:12 BingoBoingo: lol

22:42:05 BingoBoingo: The Bitcointalk crowd is hopelessly lost

22:43:18 mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy outcome, the stupid got left behind and then decided to give away their remaining asset and split up!

22:43:30 mircea_popescu: so now there's going to be three-four meaningless forums + reddits + whatever else.

22:43:44 mircea_popescu: fragmentation of the masses! for gleat gloly & justic!!1

22:44:26 BingoBoingo: Of course. And each new one is less relevant than the old one. The old ones less relavant. More people hate Thermos than ever and they aren't even talking about his GLBSE shennanigans

22:46:04 BingoBoingo: Apex reddit https://i.imgur.com/7Ldn6gD.jpg

22:46:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5Gfs )

22:48:36 BingoBoingo: noveltit http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3244843/A-23-year-old-woman-born-without-legs-making-living-lingerie-model.html

22:48:40 assbot: Kanya Sesser born without legs makes a living as a lingerie model in LA | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5LzE )

22:51:46 BingoBoingo: Also, apparently scholarships for smarts are racis, or poor exclusionary or sometit https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/27/merit

22:51:49 assbot: The Impact of Merit Scholarships | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5QU7 )

22:54:18 BingoBoingo: "The yield for those who received the $7,000 annual scholarships was 7.1 percent ? a statistically significant difference" ... lol "At the same time, the study suggests that the impact of this kind of merit aid may not be large -- the yield rate was low even for those receiving it."

22:58:24 mircea_popescu: well they don't know about his glbse shenanigans

22:58:38 mircea_popescu: and the people who know they don't read because omfg, that'd be giving in.

22:58:41 mircea_popescu: and so... :D

22:59:10 BingoBoingo: I thought it was more like 8:::::::D

22:59:14 mircea_popescu: hehe.

22:59:22 mircea_popescu: merit scholarships work in merit based societies.

22:59:30 mircea_popescu: in the us, i am deeply unsurprised it would do nothing.

22:59:34 mircea_popescu: same as in africa.

23:00:11 mircea_popescu: "Critics have said that merit scholarships may help institutions, but don?t truly help students (most recipients of merit scholarships have many options) or broad social needs in higher education (the merit awards divert attention and funds from the needs of low-income students)."

23:00:16 BingoBoingo: They even work almost in USia. Just rare to find people who get them, because so many people got to the MIT-Harvard free if you aren't a Soros lottery

23:00:17 mircea_popescu: o because needs matter amirite.

23:00:22 BingoBoingo: srsly

23:00:31 BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/16/hamilton

23:00:35 assbot: A Push for Need-Based Aid | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL6bpz )

23:00:39 mircea_popescu: marxism went from an overgrown cult/self help weirdo club to this sort of implicit agreed upon mantra.

23:00:55 BingoBoingo: It really did

23:01:17 BingoBoingo: I'm not even sure if this is actually Marxism any more

23:01:21 mircea_popescu: "there is relatively little research on the true impact of merit scholarships. "

23:01:27 BingoBoingo: Might as well be Hegel

23:01:40 mircea_popescu: you know, like there's relatively little research on the true benefits of hanging us academitards above a smoldering pit of hot peppers.

23:01:49 mircea_popescu: i know i've not seen nearly enough of it yet to suit my tastes.

23:02:00 BingoBoingo: Well, Maybe in 2020?

23:02:15 mircea_popescu: pepperoni!

23:02:32 BingoBoingo: lol, actuall hamplanet pepperoni

23:02:38 mircea_popescu: aha.

23:05:13 BingoBoingo: Just with actual pigs getting to 6-7 ft in length are hamplanets still really the long pig anymore?

23:05:56 BingoBoingo: The ones that have gone feral in arkansas have been spotted and shot at 8-9 ft long...

23:07:09 BingoBoingo: We may now be the short pork

23:07:15 mircea_popescu: lol

23:07:27 *: lobbes can't help but imagine feral hamplanets running around arkansas

23:08:38 BingoBoingo: lobbes: Feral hamplanets don't run around. They stay indoors, in bed, and get "home health" nurses too keep them... cleaner...

23:09:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20475 @ 0.0007609 = 15.5794 BTC [+]

23:09:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's kinda the thing with the earlier "oh, they'll get out of the pen, fat is compressible"

23:09:41 mircea_popescu: no, they won't. they'll sit there and cry.

23:10:08 BingoBoingo: It's compressible to a point, but the bigger point is most of them won't make it to the edge of the pen

23:10:43 BingoBoingo: And the gateposts can always be made taller

23:10:54 mircea_popescu: what gate ?

23:10:56 mircea_popescu: no gate.

23:11:44 BingoBoingo: the gate is the 1 ft space

23:11:50 mircea_popescu: ah

23:12:16 BingoBoingo: Round these parts we use gate to refer to ungated fence openings too

23:15:01 BingoBoingo: Also, Ver can't to valid SSL cert https://archive.is/OLvvk

23:15:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL6MaM )

23:16:16 BingoBoingo: Also, Lafond had a solution to the 'Murican Professetorial socialist problem too http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2931

23:16:17 assbot: JL: ‘Consumerist and Hyper-Protective’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL6PUj )

23:23:37 shinohai: https://redd.it/3lv366 "If you truly believe that devices need to be loaded with Bitcoin, why wouldn't you just print out a QR, tape it to your Raspberry pi, and fund it with $700 in Bitcoin?"

23:23:40 assbot: So... can we agree that 21 Inc is the Cue Cat of Bitcoin? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL78hG )

23:24:44 *: BingoBoingo actually would like a cue cat, not so much usg Po-Po plug

23:28:05 BingoBoingo: https://www.librarything.com/more/store/cuecat

23:28:06 assbot: Barcode scanners | LibraryThing ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL7epK )

23:28:21 *: shinohai hereby dubs the 21 by BingoBoingo 's name .. PoPo plug

23:28:44 BingoBoingo: gotta keep the hyphen

23:29:16 shinohai: I was too lazy to alt to the hyphen, using my ancient droid to irc.

23:29:18 BingoBoingo: The Po-Po plug is a distant relative of the traditional urban American dance the 5-0 fondle

23:32:21 gernika: 1 month + later I make it past 367850. anyway. moving forward.

23:32:48 shinohai: gratz gernika

23:33:15 gernika: thanks shinohai

23:33:54 shinohai: I'm at 320740 and climbing, slow but sue.

23:33:57 shinohai: *sure

23:35:16 mircea_popescu: actually 365 to 370k some of the messiest blocks in all of the chain

23:36:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69800 @ 0.00075463 = 52.6732 BTC [-] {4}

23:37:44 shinohai: waiting on realbitcoin to sync at least gave me time to make a sweet tmux config for it.

23:38:39 shinohai: amongst other things.

23:38:42 BingoBoingo: 365 to 370 has been the slowest part of my craptop sync so far

23:40:45 gernika: Would like to get my machine in a DC - but the cheapest hosting rate for a 1U I can find around here is $200.00/mo. Which is 4x more than I last paid for the same service.

23:41:11 shinohai: That's what I'm using, a cruddy old laptop. Glad it was in the library locked up really well.

23:44:05 BingoBoingo: I've seen 1U hosting as low as $45-50

23:48:37 shinohai: I might host a node down the road a bit, my experience trying this with Atlantic was less-than-stellar and set me back some.

23:49:07 BingoBoingo: who is atlantic?

23:49:28 shinohai: https://www.atlantic.net/

23:49:30 assbot: Atlantic.Net Cloud Server Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL7J2V )

23:49:43 BingoBoingo: fuck them

23:49:59 shinohai: Got billed $250 for bandwidth overages

23:50:36 shinohai: I still have an account, just not gonna try and run bitcoind there, especially when they don't have a clue what it is.

23:51:18 shinohai: Accused me of "mining" from the get-go, shut me down, I bitched and got it back up only to be charged that insane fee.

23:51:43 BingoBoingo: Well, merely running a node is a cpu hog

23:53:14 shinohai: CS told me when I paid for initial service it wouldn't be a problem. I tried to explain it in the clearest way possible.

23:54:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43561 @ 0.0007598 = 33.0976 BTC [+]

23:54:24 shinohai: I further explained the sheer idiocy of using a cloud instance to mine with, I wasn't some redditard from r/beermoney trying to collect dust.

23:57:07 shinohai: Oh well, live and learn.

23:59:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282971 << omg1111111111 i can't afford 'boeing' !! where is my NEED-BASED AID !??!!

23:59:19 assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 23:00:31; BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/16/hamilton