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00:01:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.0020938 = 0.1361 BTC [+]

00:05:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00078643 = 1.3763 BTC [+]

00:09:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]

00:12:49 pankkake: lol TradeFortress now appears -260 trust

00:13:02 pankkake: it's just useless to add more…

00:18:11 Apocalyptic: a painless tradeoff nonetheless

00:21:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13219 @ 0.00078906 = 10.4306 BTC [+] {2}

00:21:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.002 = 0.248 BTC [-]

00:49:55 mircea_popescu: ahh

00:50:18 mircea_popescu: so what's new ?

00:50:52 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: bitcoin made me a bit richer \o/

00:50:57 mircea_popescu: wd!

00:51:07 Azelphur: glad I took your advice you gave me a while back not to buy a house

00:51:13 Azelphur: and instead sit on it :)

00:53:18 mircea_popescu: :p

00:53:40 Azelphur: I tagged $100,000 in the recent boom lol, not bad for an unemployed basement hacker type person.

00:53:58 thestringpuller: I haven't seen Azelphur in some time.

00:54:00 thestringpuller: Cray cray

00:54:06 Azelphur: I'm always about :)

00:54:19 Azelphur: working on my new company.

00:55:26 mircea_popescu: what's it gonna do ?

00:55:53 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm just the tech guy, so really I just do what the boss says, even though I'm on the board of directors and have an equal stake :)

00:56:04 Azelphur: but atm we're just going for good old fashioned merchant shop

00:56:08 Azelphur: easy way to get some money in

00:56:41 Azelphur: accepting all crypto coins is the plan though, I'm working on a payment module for django to make that happen

00:57:29 mike_c: bitstamp is a django shop, maybe you can borrow theirs :)

00:58:06 Azelphur: didn't know they were django, that's cool. I know localbitcoins is, and their bitcoin backend is open source too

00:58:13 Azelphur: I'm not sure if it'll play well with alt currencies, though

00:59:08 mircea_popescu: Azelphur tjhis " I'm just the tech guy, so really I just do what the boss says, even though I'm on the board of directors and have an equal stake" approach worked well for ohter bitcoin businesses.

00:59:24 Azelphur: it did? that's good xD

00:59:38 Azelphur: I got so fed up with all the trials of doing my own business, it's hard with all the legislative bullshit in UK

00:59:48 Azelphur: got robbed by the banks on more than one occasion :(

01:00:03 mircea_popescu: dude that bitbet thread...

01:00:17 mircea_popescu: funny where the ideological split chose to make itself evident.

01:00:26 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: my boss presented me with some hilarious assclowns for consulting the other day though

01:00:45 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu why don't you write more articles on leadership?

01:00:51 Azelphur: they wanted me to clone localbitcoins, for $250...and any more than that and he could just pay his hacker friend to get the source

01:01:17 Azelphur: and they wanted us to be fully liable for when they get hacked, and they were looking at running it on a box with 300 other websites on it (wordpress, joomla, etc)

01:01:18 Azelphur: XD

01:01:20 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller leadership is like the D part of a D/s relationship. you gotta apprentice, it's impossible to learn by reading

01:01:29 mircea_popescu: Azelphur lolk

01:01:36 Azelphur: yea that was pretty much my response

01:01:41 Azelphur: "good luck with your hacker friend"

01:01:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00386001 = 0.1274 BTC [-] {2}

01:01:45 mike_c: so.. you did a hg clone and charged them 250 hopefully :)

01:01:49 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu doesn't that create a chicken and egg scenario? what bout the first leader?

01:01:57 thestringpuller: the first OG

01:02:07 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the first leader was there before there was speech. so not really much of a dilemma.

01:05:41 mircea_popescu: meh, is it me or are the really bad titjobs really multiplying these past years

01:06:33 dub: ooh that was close

01:07:06 dub: I nearly lost the string 'bad titjobs?' in a document

01:07:07 mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dum/112013/11-17-2013/nicolegraves/photos/10.jpg << for total scary, nicole's 10yo fixtures.

01:07:21 mircea_popescu: dub lol i should charge a fee

01:07:53 pankkake: that whole image is disgusting

01:07:58 mircea_popescu: yw.

01:09:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]

01:12:31 mircea_popescu: pankkake so now i'm also getting spam in french, not only english, chinese, russian, korean etc. i blame you.

01:14:05 pankkake: I don't get much French spam :( The best ones I had was about "winning the Bill Gates lottery"

01:16:33 mircea_popescu: o but allow me to impart.

01:16:44 mircea_popescu: rbatv ugg pas cher flujw bottes ugg pas cher udmou ugg pas cher en france zjdao ugg en soldes nrsgc

01:16:56 mircea_popescu: Nous correspondra liée ? musicien et interprète longchamp le pliage medium nylon tote black Louis Vuitton longchamps canada hors de vos femmes? Elles sont créées pour finir par être ? portée de main, puissant, robuste, en plus élastique alors que même maintenant

01:17:10 mircea_popescu: etc

01:17:28 mircea_popescu: tho i guess i should blame the canadians plutot

01:17:42 pankkake: I blame google translate, I can't figure out what it means

01:17:53 pankkake: it doesn't compute

01:18:38 mircea_popescu: basically the way blog spam works these days is they just scrape a large bunch of facebook pages or w/e then randomly mix up the sentences, add linksat the seams and that's that

01:19:04 pankkake: I get a lot of "thanks for this article you are such an awesome writer" spams

01:19:36 mircea_popescu: yeah, there's that group too

01:19:41 pankkake: one time I had trouble figuring out if it was real or not (there was no link, so…)

01:19:58 mircea_popescu: dork prolly forgot to add the link in the spam script he bought

01:20:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00399998 = 0.256 BTC [+] {2}

01:20:13 mircea_popescu: i get lolstuff like :link1: :salutation: etc

01:20:24 mircea_popescu: also with $$ terminators

01:20:51 opc0d3: ICBIT.se by far the largest futures/derivatives exchange now.... MPEX left behind in the dust by charging 40BTC membership fee. what a joke.

01:20:52 opc0d3: https://icbit.se/WebTrade/Top.aspx

01:20:54 ozbot: Hall of Fame

01:20:56 pankkake: haha yeah I got those. probably corroborates the whole "spammers don't make that much money" idea

01:20:59 pankkake: they're just dumb

01:21:17 pankkake: two trolls in a day!

01:21:18 opc0d3: MPEX exchange nothing but a scam. ICBIT.se amazing #1 top futures exchange. $ millions a day in volume

01:21:18 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:21:51 opc0d3: #1 AMAZING exchange ICBIT.se will be adding options soon. Very low pricing.... MPEX will be a wasteland of ZERO volume as soon as ICBIT.se adds options.... What a joke MPEX is...

01:22:07 pankkake: SHIT. on one of my open source projects I released, I got a "Only wanna tell that this is invaluable, Thanks for taking your time to write this."

01:22:12 mircea_popescu: i guess this is where i'm supposed to say something.

01:22:17 pankkake: I really, really thought it was sincere

01:22:21 opc0d3: all those idiotic pass-thru's taking comissions will be put out of business and MPEX will die a slow death

01:22:21 mircea_popescu: awwww.

01:22:24 pankkake: but millions of blogs have it

01:22:28 pankkake: :((

01:22:37 mircea_popescu: well you're still special for us.

01:22:52 opc0d3: bitbet.us bet about ICBIT being a scam will go to the NO's. ICBIT.se #1 super top exchange. MPEX #1 scam

01:23:01 pankkake: also author used Internet Explorer and Windows, so not someone who could use my thing anyway

01:23:16 mircea_popescu: user agent strings are meaningless.

01:23:22 pankkake: eh, I got one star on Github

01:23:59 pankkake: if only you could sell them for btc

01:24:07 opc0d3: over $25 million volume on ICBIT.se in past 30 days. ICBIT.se making lots of money charging fees on large volume... MPEX sitting in the dust with no volume and high fees. MPEX doesn't understand economics. MPEX = joke. ICBIT= awesome

01:24:23 mircea_popescu: do stars do anything ?

01:24:39 pankkake: no

01:24:51 pankkake: actually too much stars is like reddit karma. it's suspicious

01:25:09 mircea_popescu: a

01:25:10 opc0d3: ICBIT.se #1 super awesome site. go trade there. I'm #1 on the leaderboard. https://icbit.se/WebTrade/Top.aspx up only 1,000 BTC in past 30 days trading on ICBIT.se super awesome #1 futures site go now make account. #1 top site is awesome. MPEX is joke. ICBIT.se super good!

01:27:06 mircea_popescu: mike_c:

01:27:07 mircea_popescu: bitbet feature request: bitbet.us/bet/[id]/data.json returns json object with relevant bet information. weighted no/yes, current weight, etc. <<< kakobrekla that's prolly a good idea, stops people from scraping pages in desperation.

01:28:12 thestringpuller: lol page scraping is an art though

01:28:37 mircea_popescu: check this shit out :

01:28:38 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/#c1835

01:28:40 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000

01:28:45 pankkake: I am well versed in that art too :p

01:29:52 pankkake: wow such noobiness

01:30:35 mircea_popescu: it's like... jesus.

01:30:54 mircea_popescu: basically the horde of headless zombies wants to get their disgusting goop on anything

01:31:03 mircea_popescu: "o here's a cool patch of clean grass, let's vomit on it"

01:31:15 mircea_popescu: stay in your fucking pens, consumers!

01:32:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 60 @ 0.03147016 = 1.8882 BTC [-] {7}

01:33:08 mircea_popescu: bloctoc well what's the matter there ?

01:34:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.05999999 = 1.38 BTC [-] {2}

01:35:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo:

01:35:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, Right now I'm thinking of just plugging in a microphone and hiring some hookers, Rob Ford style <<< for the record, this is MP style!

01:36:10 asciilifeform: 'Ford style' would be rng based on puffs of (crack) smoke?

01:36:21 asciilifeform: (turbulent flow!)

01:36:26 mircea_popescu: lolerskates: starting my 6 months of lurking now << ahaha this is too good.

01:36:37 mircea_popescu: you around still nooblet lurker ?

01:37:40 mircea_popescu: kleeck: why is there an mpoe wall? << ancient artefact since the days mpoe took an investor this spring.

01:37:58 mircea_popescu: basically the deal on the table was either 5% for X premium or 10% for Y premium, Y > X.

01:38:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu, I thought you wouldn't need to hire hookers because slaves. Then again you mentioned you prefer the reduced stress environment of an open harem...

01:38:21 mircea_popescu: investor went for 5% and then a large buy appeared. it took a while to sell but i think over ~6 months it mostly bought like 2/3 or so

01:38:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the microphone sex part i meant.

01:38:44 BingoBoingo: Ah, yes.

01:38:45 mircea_popescu: or did i only mention that in private... hm...

01:39:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu, I believe it appeared on fraudsters or in fraudsters comments.

01:39:16 mircea_popescu: a

01:40:02 mircea_popescu: well then, i totally claim dibs on the whole concept of using innocent if luscious pretty young thing's mating heews and haws for computational purposes.

01:40:12 mircea_popescu: I AM TOTALLY THE FIRST TO HAVE DONE THAT.

01:40:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0020865 = 0.5216 BTC [+]

01:43:57 dub: that aint shit, I created breakingbadbios which uses crack smoke signals for covert comms

01:44:47 mircea_popescu: dub http://fraudsters.com/2013/journalistic-responsibility-a-case-study/

01:44:54 mircea_popescu: my wafflemaker beats your smoke signals.

01:47:51 mircea_popescu: whoa!

01:47:58 mircea_popescu: dubsy check it out man : https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/11/rerouting_inter.html

01:48:05 mircea_popescu: the guy has been reading your -assets comments!

01:49:49 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell tulak_ one idea is to get into the wot. read gribble's info on that.

01:49:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:50:14 pankkake: that bios picture makes me nostalgic. newer bioses are so fancy

01:53:27 mircea_popescu: true that.

01:55:09 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves to quote some clever young gent for your benefit, "There are way to many companies like this in Bitcoin. We need to stop supporting these crooked business practices if we want bitcoin to succeed."

01:55:41 thestringpuller: who would that clever gent be?

01:56:05 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3663642#msg3663642

01:56:07 ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)

01:56:20 mircea_popescu: that thread was funny, apparently buncha people got the message.

01:56:28 mircea_popescu: not the original poster, i guess, but nevertheless.

01:57:43 asciilifeform: what's with all the folks obsessed with 'being part of bitcoin!' ? i mean, it makes sense to want riches, but it is a curious way of phrasing it.

01:58:01 asciilifeform: where is 'i wanna be part of euro!'

01:58:13 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic : we need peer to peer distributed faith, brah.

01:58:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you misunderstand the religious impulse animating most of the web crowd.

01:58:45 mike_c: greece wants to be part of euro

01:58:52 mircea_popescu: they wish "to be part of" various things. such as "change", "progress", "the solution" and not "the problem" etc.

01:59:10 asciilifeform: what happened to good old-fashioned honest avarice.

01:59:11 mircea_popescu: they don't want to be rich, and they don't want to be powerful. they just want to... be.

01:59:27 mircea_popescu: avarice is for crabs not amoeba.

02:00:31 mircea_popescu: also, people, you have ruined my fucking life. I go spend half a day in my dungeon knee deep in blossoming adolescent pussy, come back, read the log and regret i missed out on all the fun.

02:00:33 mircea_popescu: fuck you.

02:00:34 thestringpuller: crab people?

02:00:49 mircea_popescu: this shouldn't exist.

02:00:55 thestringpuller: ??????

02:01:22 mircea_popescu: it's unfair and i should be refunded all my regrets!

02:01:46 pankkake: we can exchange lives if you want

02:02:18 mircea_popescu: at first i read "livers"

02:02:21 mircea_popescu: i was hmm...

02:02:49 pankkake: livers are barely worth an ipad these days

02:02:57 mircea_popescu: http://www.activistpost.com/2013/11/american-borders-will-be-changing.html << at least the first two sentences are likely correct.

02:02:58 ozbot: Activist Post: American Borders Will Be Changing

02:04:26 asciilifeform: republikflucht is a big no-no.

02:04:59 nubbins`: hard on the chicken fingers & beer tonight

02:05:53 thestringpuller: meal fit for a girl scout

02:07:20 mircea_popescu: or being deemed likely to cause ?serious damage to the national security or the foreign policy of the United States.?

02:07:25 mircea_popescu: this is like...

02:08:13 asciilifeform: on paper, most governments reserve the right to 'we don't like you - go away.' the question is where it will happen in practice.

02:08:32 nubbins`: oh wow, you can get denied a passport for having smoked a joint?

02:08:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, wait. on paper no eu government reserves the right to refuse a passport for "national security or foreign policy reasons"

02:09:07 mircea_popescu: it's also quite actionable before the hr court.

02:14:48 mircea_popescu: i like this mgio kid.

02:15:14 thestringpuller: ;;seen benkay

02:15:14 gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 19 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <benkay> ;;later tell asciilifeform if pluggable rng, why not user-providable keys on later models?

02:16:36 Bugpowdurr: $1000 is gonna happen soon

02:16:55 mike_c: get ur 10 btc ready to drop on that bitbet

02:17:04 mircea_popescu: lol

02:17:07 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

02:17:08 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 750.47291, Best ask: 751.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.52709, Last trade: 751.0, 24 hour volume: 38779.49420170, 24 hour low: 595.21, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 707.43635

02:17:18 cazalla: hope so, i can consider leaving my wife at 1k

02:17:23 Bugpowdurr: lol

02:17:37 Bugpowdurr: my wife lets me order tesla at 1k

02:17:41 mircea_popescu: cazalla why leave her ? sell her!

02:17:44 Bugpowdurr: supposedly

02:17:44 thestringpuller: $avg

02:17:45 mpexbot: thestringpuller: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

02:17:57 thestringpuller: LOL

02:18:01 cazalla: we can't sell women in australia and her market value wouldn't be much anyway

02:18:01 thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc

02:18:07 gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.

02:18:16 thestringpuller: ~__~

02:18:19 Bugpowdurr: tho I'm not selling any more coins to pay for it

02:18:19 mike_c: grr, bitcoincharts 502 (again). anybody know another good place to get gox trade history?

02:18:21 Bugpowdurr: fuck that

02:18:32 mircea_popescu: mike_c bitcoinity maybe ?

02:18:44 mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr so how do you buy it then ?

02:18:57 gaysian: mike_c: bitcoinwisdom?

02:19:12 Bugpowdurr: With cash?

02:19:36 mircea_popescu: o. i had forgotten that works.

02:19:45 Bugpowdurr: Bitcoin is not our primary income stream

02:20:03 mike_c: those have charts, but not seeing historical trade data. i guess i'll wait for bitcoincharts api to come back

02:20:21 mircea_popescu: i wish i could still say the same, but at least as far as paper valuations are concerned...

02:20:23 Bugpowdurr: Although now she is all in on bitcoin... Finally.... Hoarding coins

02:20:25 Bugpowdurr: dude

02:20:48 Bugpowdurr: You should buy a plane

02:20:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c bitcoinity has a 2 year option

02:20:56 Bugpowdurr: like a used g5

02:20:58 nubbins`: my bitcoin valuation makes my day job look mildly embarassing

02:20:58 mircea_popescu: or used to at some point.

02:21:05 Bugpowdurr: and install a hot tub

02:21:16 thestringpuller: Bugpowdurr: when are you going to make your own lab, you surely have enough by now

02:21:19 Bugpowdurr: although that would be too heavy

02:21:24 Bugpowdurr: I start Jan 1st

02:21:31 Bugpowdurr: Renovations done in march

02:21:37 thestringpuller: Ah you took the plunge!

02:21:42 thestringpuller: WHat research are you planning on doing?

02:21:54 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller he's taking a step down from rats :

02:21:57 Bugpowdurr: Synthetic perception

02:22:00 mircea_popescu: will be cutting open bitcointalk user skulls

02:22:24 thestringpuller: XD

02:22:36 Bugpowdurr: basically generating haptic feedback in mentally controlled robotic arms via direct brain stimulation

02:22:42 thestringpuller: isn't bitcointalk part of a huge funding controversy nw?

02:22:45 Bugpowdurr: if it works

02:22:49 thestringpuller: someone saying theymos ran off with 10k of coin?

02:22:52 thestringpuller: donated to the site

02:23:01 Bugpowdurr: he distributed it to many people

02:23:02 mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr that's cool stuff.

02:23:03 Bugpowdurr: so stupid

02:23:20 Bugpowdurr: The issue is I need to break out of the mouse

02:23:25 Bugpowdurr: and get into human

02:23:26 mircea_popescu: yes. it was as stupid as only a 20yo ancient bitcoin user could have conceived.

02:23:30 Bugpowdurr: for DARPA funding

02:23:46 Bugpowdurr: but tech isn't there yet for precise CNS stim in humans

02:23:53 mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr this will sound corny, but, you should really talk to the chinese/koreans

02:24:00 Bugpowdurr: about what?

02:24:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}

02:24:05 Bugpowdurr: science or bitcoin?

02:24:05 mircea_popescu: i give you about 3x better odds to get financing.

02:24:09 Bugpowdurr: hahah

02:24:09 mircea_popescu: about your research.

02:24:19 dub: typical Schneier

02:24:24 Bugpowdurr: I think I'll get funding

02:24:29 truffles: DARPA sounds like LOST

02:24:29 Bugpowdurr: I have a decent startup

02:24:36 mircea_popescu: dub i love the "nsa is 100% not doing this" part

02:24:37 dub: flaws in implementaion not the protocol

02:24:51 Bugpowdurr: And I am talking to the Chinese re: arb

02:24:54 dub: though the protocol could use some extra knobs to help with this

02:25:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 172 @ 0.003852 = 0.6625 BTC [-]

02:25:29 Bugpowdurr: counterparty risk is problematic. There is a reason all the big chinese empires are kept in the family

02:25:33 mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr just a thought. they're spending a shitton on advanced robotics research atm

02:25:40 Bugpowdurr: hrmmm...

02:26:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 251 @ 0.00208949 = 0.5245 BTC [+] {2}

02:27:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0001248 = 1.248 BTC [+]

02:28:58 dub: mircea_popescu: he says the odss of nsa not doing it are 0%, but he's probably wrong, they dont need this they have quantum

02:29:13 mircea_popescu: yeah, quantum dingbats.

02:29:20 Bugpowdurr: quantum bullshit

02:29:32 dub: quantum is the name of their mitm program

02:29:32 Bugpowdurr: quantum VC

02:29:35 Bugpowdurr: oh

02:29:38 truffles: theyre probably reading your plans as we speak

02:29:47 asciilifeform: they've got - 'remote viewers!' with magic. as seen 'men who stare at goats.' surely.

02:30:13 Bugpowdurr: Not that D-Wave thing

02:30:23 mircea_popescu: dub "they don't need this" has afaik never stopped any public expenditure to date.

02:30:26 dub: last week or so snowden revealed they used it to deliver trojans to specific linkedin users

02:30:26 mircea_popescu: not even in like, ghana

02:30:39 asciilifeform: incidentally 'they broke rsa ages ago' makes for a good crackpot theory regarding the wasteful incompetence of, well, everything else. smoke screen.

02:31:04 mircea_popescu: dub yes, but it was to attack a telecom.

02:31:12 asciilifeform: i think he was referring to 'QUANTUM' rather than feynman's 'quantum computer.'

02:31:23 dub: as was I

02:32:22 dub: norly they used superposition to put malway on remote disks derp

02:32:28 dub: malware*

02:32:56 asciilifeform: dub: if you had a working 'shor's algo' setup, you could put pretty much whatever you like, anywhere you like.

02:33:21 asciilifeform: without weird telecom gymnastics.

02:33:28 asciilifeform: or the cooperation of willing idiots.

02:33:34 thestringpuller: fraudsters needs a search function

02:33:42 thestringpuller: why has this not been developed yet?

02:34:05 pankkake: it's called googling site:fraudsters.com butts

02:34:26 mircea_popescu: the mtgox price chart looks like a free oscillator in action

02:34:30 pankkake: I do it mostly on log.bitcoin-assets.com

02:34:42 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:fraudsters.com butts

02:34:42 gribble: Valiant prince MP explores the mother of all echo chambers. A saga ...: http://fraudsters.com/valiant-prince-mp-explores-the-mother-of-all-echo-chambers-a-saga-of-our-times; Clear signs that you're gay you don't even know about! pe fraudsters ...: http://fraudsters.com/clear-signs-that-youre-gay-you-dont-even-know-about; Apparently I'm not the only one pointing out the obvious pe (1 more message)

02:34:58 pankkake: it was more oscillating last day

02:35:03 mircea_popescu: always good for a chuckle

02:35:24 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com "apply for money"

02:35:25 gribble: RIPple, the definitive discussion. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/ripple-the-definitive-discussion; Wikileaks - CII pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/wikileaks-cii; The bitchslapping of 2013… pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/the-bitchslapping-of-2013

02:35:30 thestringpuller: ah there it is

02:35:35 thestringpuller: the bitch slapping of 2013

02:36:24 thestringpuller: thanks for that pankkake

02:37:43 truffles: is pankkake derived from bukkake?

02:37:48 pankkake: ;;later tell Vexual can you dig it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFHkO3CqnjU

02:37:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:37:56 pankkake: truffles: yes

02:38:07 truffles: it was bugging me :D

02:38:42 pankkake: it's a good way to spot people who know what bukkake is, or are willing to admit it in public :p

02:38:51 pankkake: (especially IRL)

02:39:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [+]

02:39:40 asciilifeform: was bukkake widely known in the time of Dukkakis? perhaps this might explain his ill fortune.

02:40:03 mircea_popescu: afaik bukkake only became a household... item in the mid 90s

02:40:12 truffles: so u think ppl would be embarassed by saying that, i dont

02:40:23 pankkake: probably not known before the internet

02:40:45 pankkake: I blame KaZaa porn mostly

02:40:57 mircea_popescu: it was somewhat known due to german fascination with weird vhs

02:41:16 pankkake: and the German Goo Girls :)

02:41:38 pankkake: ah well, so you are part of the people who know how to say bukkake correctly

02:41:53 truffles: lol

02:41:56 pankkake: not ba-cake

02:42:15 mircea_popescu: http://jonnymetbird.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/samuel-silva-red-haired-girl.jpg

02:42:16 Bugpowdurr: l8r dudes....

02:42:16 asciilifeform: more like kabuki.

02:42:19 truffles: i dont think i need to know that 1

02:42:44 pankkake: mircea_popescu: too bad that girl doesnt exist, because I love her

02:43:09 mircea_popescu: i thot the internet way of looking at things was more like "thanks goodness the girl doesn't exist, because i love her"

02:43:29 asciilifeform: how's that work?

02:44:17 truffles: she's got blood on her nose

02:44:46 mircea_popescu: i guess it works not too well.

02:44:54 pankkake: http://images.luvimages.com/luvphotos/a/amazing_freckles-1642.jpg

02:44:54 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:45:01 pankkake: lol

02:45:23 mircea_popescu: frenchiepoofs and their freckle fetish

02:45:28 truffles: more blood

02:45:29 mircea_popescu: you know, we call them gingers, and we EAT THEM

02:45:49 mircea_popescu: unrelated : http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/2011/07/several_dozen_infantile_disord.html

02:45:55 pankkake: is it so wrong to like people with no souls?

02:46:05 truffles: yes

02:46:15 ThickAsThieves: if you have to ask!

02:46:16 pankkake: at least it's not slanderous…

02:46:47 truffles: what a weird thing to have a preference for

02:47:11 pankkake: it's not much of the fetish, but I won't admit most of my other fetishes :)

02:47:11 ThickAsThieves: it's a cry for help

02:47:20 truffles: lol

02:47:27 truffles: what about feet

02:47:58 mircea_popescu: what's the big deal about admitting to various kinks ?

02:48:02 pankkake: feet is pretty mainstream

02:48:08 truffles: i c

02:48:14 mircea_popescu: feet is only mainstream among impotent old men.

02:48:17 truffles: ure out there huh

02:48:35 pankkake: it's more in the ridiculous range

02:48:44 truffles: 0.0

02:48:46 pankkake: though there are actually a few websites dedicated to them

02:48:52 truffles: looks like MP will stay young forever

02:48:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla some lol to tame the slanderous soul you don't have : http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/#c1851

02:49:08 mircea_popescu: basically bitstamp is going to get deluged into requests to do weird manual things to their incoming.

02:50:37 truffles: freckle face made me think she'd rip off her mask and reveal http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118136/2216490-voldemort01.jpg

02:57:37 kakobrekla: so

02:57:42 kakobrekla: this guy copies bitbet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=342574.0

02:57:51 kakobrekla: and then tries to sell it to me

02:57:57 kakobrekla: gj

02:58:01 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla we run wordpress ?!

02:58:06 kakobrekla: no

02:58:16 kakobrekla: Hi,

02:58:16 kakobrekla: I'm selling really beautiful wordpress theme for social betting site as yours. I know that your site is not running on wordpress but you never know. Hopefully you might be interested to uptade the look and feel of your site.

02:58:16 kakobrekla: Here is the topic in the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=342574.0

02:58:16 kakobrekla: Best regards,

02:58:18 pankkake: hopefully no, otherwise I'm asking for a refund

02:58:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0020929 = 0.1046 BTC [+]

02:58:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is that intended to read "uptard" ?

02:58:50 kakobrekla: heh

02:59:07 mircea_popescu: "I know that your site is not running on wordpress but you never know." this is possibly the winner.

02:59:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, i would like you to have my babies.

02:59:34 mircea_popescu: i know you're not female and therefore lack the requisite apparatus, but... YOU NEVER KNOW

02:59:48 kakobrekla: sorry, my utterus is full

03:00:00 kakobrekla: uterus*

03:00:09 mircea_popescu: "uterus is utterly fowl"

03:00:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: resemblance to a chicken (when seen on an anatomist's table) is amazingly close.

03:00:56 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:01:40 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/612/asianslave4sales-ipo/

03:01:42 ozbot: BitBet - AsianSlave4sales IPO

03:01:46 mircea_popescu: im still hoping that one happens.

03:02:01 truffles: 0.0

03:02:59 kakobrekla: what is this even

03:03:58 mircea_popescu: meme material, maybe.

03:05:04 BingoBoingo: Apparently the Courts circus is about to get a lot of new clowns http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/21/21562284-senate-goes-nuclear-democrats-approve-changes-to-filibuster-rules?lite

03:05:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i saw that. curious where this ends.

03:05:36 mircea_popescu: perhaps unicameral parliament ?

03:08:36 BingoBoingo: I'm thinking it will probably end in a drone backed coup leading to a RoboKleptocratic government. Like the terminator, but with theft instead of all that killing.

03:09:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.402 BTC [+]

03:09:51 mircea_popescu: there's nothing to steal in the us.

03:10:28 mircea_popescu: apple doesn't repatriate it's currency holdings. nobody else is. there's literally nothing there, you can steal the real estate if you wish the hassle of running it

03:10:29 dub: untrue

03:10:38 mircea_popescu: which by now through regulation costs more than it's worth anyway.

03:10:40 dub: america is vitally important for one thing

03:10:54 dub: they drink bourbon

03:11:09 BingoBoingo: Well there's still fields full of chemistry products.

03:11:13 mircea_popescu: so te plan is for a robocleptocratic bourbon heistin' government ?

03:11:20 mircea_popescu: sort of like the pirates except not with rum ?

03:11:34 dub: we need them to dispose of it too, nobody else will drink it

03:12:49 BingoBoingo: Well it only seems like the end of the line for the US's current unholy marriage of socialism, surveillance, military robots, and IT contractors who can't make web sites.

03:12:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0646 = 1.615 BTC [+] {2}

03:13:14 nubbins`: lel

03:13:15 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/moose-eating-shark-rescued-in-newfoundland-harbour-1.2434102

03:13:15 ozbot: Moose-eating shark rescued in Newfoundland harbour - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

03:13:25 nubbins`: the b'ys found a shark choking on a moose carcass

03:15:23 mircea_popescu: wow.

03:15:48 dub: stuff you can't make up #38575345

03:15:50 dub: Chaulk said another local man, Jeremy Ball, arrived on the scene and starting pulling on the moose chunk. Shark rescue Jeremy Ball of Norris Arm North, N.L., moves the beached shark into deeper water. "A couple yanks and it just came right out."

03:16:55 nubbins`: turns out sharks like moose, too ;(

03:19:01 nubbins`: or uh, what do you guys call them in europe?

03:19:02 nubbins`: elk?

03:19:15 asciilifeform: on the contrary, there is plenty to steal from a decaying superpower. witness the 'cable contains no copper!' (dirty lie!) signs that have popped up at construction sites.

03:19:40 asciilifeform: just as rebar was 'mined' from soviet missile bases.

03:19:48 asciilifeform: (and iron from manhole covers.)

03:20:10 asciilifeform: and virtually anything you might think of as stationary, can be dismantled and sold, if the will is there

03:20:31 nubbins`: i know a couple of guys who always seem to come across loads of copper wire

03:20:44 nubbins`: the trick, i'm told, is to burn it in a gasoline fire in a barrel to remove the plastic coating

03:21:21 asciilifeform: quite a few of the 'underwater' houses in the u.s. are, unknown to their 'owners,' husks that have been stripped of wire, pipes...

03:22:22 nubbins`: makes sense

03:23:53 asciilifeform: daring thieves have been attaching trucks to live (!) high voltage transformers, and driving off.

03:24:38 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i suppose it'd be elk, but elk is small

03:24:53 asciilifeform: (it is kept out of the national papers, but you'll find it if you know where to look - local news.)

03:24:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you're going to make a pile of vinyl siding ? grand.

03:25:17 dub: asciilifeform: kinda like hte nigerians stealing natural gas out of high pressure pipelines and blowing up whole villages

03:25:31 mircea_popescu: dub no, that's romanians.

03:25:44 mircea_popescu: magistral pipeline going through gypsy encampments loses about 1 milibar per mile.

03:25:49 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: moose are pretty big. there's also another animal here called the elk which is apparently 100% unrelated to the european ones

03:25:51 nubbins`: so who knows

03:26:06 asciilifeform: dub: there's metals theft for plebes, and nicer things for the nobles (vanishing scientific equipment, war machines, piles of precious metals and still not entirely-worthless currency)

03:26:12 dub: I still say old bourbon barrels to age scotch is is a better use case

03:26:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno. some people stole soviet nuke subs. so what of it.

03:26:57 mircea_popescu: the only way theft is worth it is if you steal the various factories/other means of production just as the new regime is coming into power.

03:27:13 mircea_popescu: otherwise, stealing as the old regime is dieing is pure harpagon nonsense

03:27:36 mircea_popescu: the problem with this, of course, is that the us produces exactly nothing.

03:27:53 asciilifeform: or if you'd just like to be loaded at your new destination, a still-functioning locale

03:28:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00078903 = 14.3603 BTC [-] {3}

03:28:49 asciilifeform: the people who made off with what remained of the ussr are quite happy campers in london, paris, etc. last i checked.

03:29:02 mircea_popescu: happy campers, ie m,iddle class.

03:29:12 mircea_popescu: they could have gotten three a thousand different ways

03:29:19 asciilifeform: middle class - and alive.

03:29:35 mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, it's nothing to write a bio about.

03:30:34 asciilifeform: the results are considerably more felt on the 'giving' than the 'receiving' end.

03:30:36 nubbins`: hey, speaking of london and paris! i'm visiting europe next summer

03:30:41 asciilifeform: try driving over missing manhole covers.

03:30:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform def a problem, that. but i believe in just punishment.

03:31:13 mircea_popescu: this is where i remind of

03:31:19 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters conference 2nd edition

03:31:20 gribble: What Can The President Do When Congress Gives Him a “Trilemma ...: http://verdict.justia.com/2013/01/08/what-can-the-president-do-when-congress-gives-him-a-trilemma-of-unconstitutional-choices; monroe freedman's solution to the criminal defense lawyer - Hofstra ...: http://law.hofstra.edu/pdf/Academics/Journals/LawReview/lrv_issues_v34n03_CC8_Gillers_final.pdf; Financial (1 more message)

03:31:29 mircea_popescu: omfg the fail that i am.

03:31:35 nubbins`: autocorrect got ya

03:31:37 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:fraudsters.com conference 2nd edition

03:31:38 gribble: No matches found.

03:31:42 mircea_popescu: 0.o

03:31:56 mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?q=fraudsters.com+conference+2nd+edition&complete=0

03:32:09 mircea_popescu: am i the only one seeing the article as top result there ?

03:32:18 nubbins`: #1 for me

03:32:25 mircea_popescu: i wonder wtf gribble.

03:32:25 kakobrekla: #3

03:32:38 nubbins`: site:fraudsters.com conference 2nd edition returns nothing tho

03:33:11 nubbins`: 2nd vs second, algos, amirite?

03:35:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 10 @ 0.17 = 1.7 BTC [+]

03:43:36 Tulak_: greetings

03:44:44 kakobrekla: hi

03:45:03 pankkake: not sure he had the time to get that ;;later tell

03:45:20 kakobrekla: oh hes gone

03:45:31 kakobrekla: i gots parts and quits disabled

03:45:38 kakobrekla: and joins

03:45:39 kakobrekla: and whatnot

03:45:50 pankkake: I got them disabled in the activity indicator but not in windows

03:45:58 pankkake: that would be too confusing

03:46:05 kakobrekla: i like confusing

03:46:14 kakobrekla: thats why i start to watch the movies in the middle

03:46:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]

03:46:27 kakobrekla: and then watch the first part on the end if the second is any good

03:46:53 pankkake: you miss relevant info like smidge [smidge@p4FDCECAF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: sorry,but you've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck...]

03:47:03 kakobrekla: heh

03:47:13 nubbins`: just the sort of guy you want to do business with

03:47:48 pankkake: just got a pm "I love how you literally took a shit, and wiped it all over OP's face."

03:47:53 nubbins`: heh

03:47:54 pankkake: my life is worthwile!

03:48:30 truffles: good for u

03:49:29 KRS-: I'm with you pankkake!

03:49:32 truffles: hi KRS- drinking tonite

03:49:36 truffles: ?

03:49:39 KRS-: yup..making trades =D

03:50:30 truffles: dont go all out on the lite stuff :D

03:51:01 KRS-: I have a diversified portfolio...that BTC-e trollbox should be pay per view subscription its so entertaining lol

03:51:37 nubbins`: diversity!

03:51:55 pankkake: if you only have bitcoins you're a coincist?

03:52:40 pankkake: so now without XBOND I don't know how to make more bitcoins out of my bitcoins

03:52:52 KRS-: <3 XBOND

03:52:53 pankkake: what should one do?

03:53:19 truffles: listen to music?

03:53:37 pankkake: I'm listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecN84dNfU-U probably the worst idea given that I should go to sleep

03:53:44 pankkake: but that doesn't make more bitcoins

03:54:12 truffles: ull never have enough though

03:54:58 pankkake: I don't have many needs

03:55:10 truffles: so why do u seek moar

03:56:27 mike_c: bitcoins aren't fiat, you don't need moar! they don't lose value!

03:56:33 KRS-: This is for my Federal friends out there watchin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyt1hEN7wTA

03:57:12 nubbins`: you always need more

03:57:24 mike_c: then i recommend the simona halep bitbet. free money.

03:58:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.1834346 = 1.4675 BTC [-] {3}

03:59:29 pankkake: actually I already can buy myself my ultimate fantasy right now (10 TB of solid state storage)

04:00:13 mike_c: wow. the mttf on that must be measured in seconds

04:00:26 pankkake: I'm accounting for enough RAID

04:00:41 mike_c: that would be very fun

04:00:59 truffles: terrible song KRS-

04:01:03 KRS-: =/

04:01:29 KRS-: its cool we all have our own thing

04:01:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` https://www.google.com/search?q=site:fraudsters.com+conference+2nd+edition+returns+nothing+tho&complete=0 gives me anonimity not forp the poor lol

04:01:41 pankkake: I probably own more than 30 hard drives already. don't know what I'm going to do with the old ones

04:01:53 pankkake: those things are heavy

04:02:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 408 @ 0.00209292 = 0.8539 BTC [+] {2}

04:02:49 mircea_popescu: KRS- someone should make a "now in bitshits&coingiggles"

04:03:00 mircea_popescu: and just live 24/7 to copy-paste the lulzy drama and whatnot

04:03:39 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

04:03:39 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 734.10001, Best ask: 734.18174, Bid-ask spread: 0.08173, Last trade: 734.18174, 24 hour volume: 37926.58615795, 24 hour low: 602.00001, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 714.74625

04:04:04 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

04:04:05 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007725 / 0.00078853 / 0.00083076 (425473 shares, 335.50 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082562 / 0.00085604 (1742109 shares, 1,438.33 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082829 / 0.00088996 (4600300 shares, 3,810.41 BTC)

04:04:23 mircea_popescu: amazing ipo

04:04:23 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:04:35 KRS-: LOL mircea_popescu..wonder if anyone would give a shiggigle.

04:04:37 mircea_popescu: o wow it dipped all the way to 77 huh

04:04:40 thestringpuller: amazing ipo

04:04:40 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:04:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.402 BTC [+]

04:04:44 thestringpuller: HAHAHAHA

04:04:52 mircea_popescu: KRS- prolly...

04:05:40 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo so, earlier today i spent ~5 dollars (~1 ltc ?) in exchange for about 2 pounds of prime portobello which i've just fried in corn oil.

04:05:41 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:07:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.0020948 = 0.2053 BTC [+]

04:09:30 pankkake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk

04:09:31 ozbot: "Fear the Boom and Bust" a Hayek vs. Keynes Rap Anthem - YouTube

04:11:02 KRS-: lol pankkake

04:13:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.405 = 0.81 BTC [+]

04:16:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.407 = 1.221 BTC [+]

04:18:20 pankkake: and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc :)

04:19:18 KRS-: these aint bad quite entertaining

04:19:41 KRS-: would have been great vids to watch during my college economics classes

04:19:58 dub: corn oil?

04:20:01 KRS-: i breezed through those classes for some reasonit all made sense to me

04:20:05 pankkake: probably more informative than any economics classes I took

04:20:53 dub: that straya cunt guy is pretty good on philosophy

04:22:02 pankkake: "The economy's not a class you can master in college. To think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge." BOOM

04:23:16 mircea_popescu: yay.

04:23:19 mircea_popescu: is this stoya ?

04:23:49 mircea_popescu: a hayek.

04:24:57 pankkake: well, fake hayek

04:25:45 mircea_popescu: it'd be so cool if someone paid some of the better whores to go on cam doing this sort of shit

04:26:47 pankkake: there's already Naked News

04:26:48 mircea_popescu: "stoya debating donna"

04:26:53 mircea_popescu: ya but...

04:28:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.03989449 = 0.8777 BTC [+] {2}

04:28:38 pankkake: pornstars probably know more about economics than the average tv expert

04:29:14 mircea_popescu: especially those whose names i know.

04:33:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, wunderbar production this.

04:39:15 Diablo-D3: pankkake: actually, a lot of them do

04:39:27 Diablo-D3: porn stars know a LOT about the business

04:39:53 pankkake: they will soon ask to be paid in bitcoins

04:40:37 Diablo-D3: honestly, I dont know why they dont now

04:40:47 Diablo-D3: do you know who invented https, really?

04:40:55 Diablo-D3: and made it ubiquitous in all browsers?

04:41:01 Diablo-D3: the porn industry

04:41:11 Diablo-D3: the banking industry et al. got the sloppy seconds on that one

04:41:20 pankkake: pretty much any tech

04:41:29 mircea_popescu: "Did you hear about the Obama Happy meal? You may order anything you wish, and the guy behind you is required to pay for it."

04:41:39 pankkake: also deciding the winner of vhs vs. betamax

04:41:43 Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: itym republican happy meal

04:41:51 Diablo-D3: pankkake: yeah

04:41:56 Diablo-D3: pankkake: that was just dumb

04:42:01 Diablo-D3: there is no moral high ground in tech

04:43:28 mircea_popescu: it isnt what it used to be tho.

04:44:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 265 @ 0.00385102 = 1.0205 BTC [-] {3}

04:46:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.003851 = 1.1553 BTC [-]

04:58:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0020939 = 0.2094 BTC [-]

05:01:01 mircea_popescu: Tulak_ wb.

05:01:28 KRS-: LOL @ Obama Happy meal good one!

05:01:30 Tulak_: mornin

05:02:42 Tulak_: bitcointalk turns into a comedy

05:03:19 nubbins`: comedy > tragedy

05:03:21 Tulak_: so many topics open with 0.0X btc loaning

05:03:30 Tulak_: true dat

05:04:03 mircea_popescu: i looked into the gambling section report yest for the first time in about two months

05:04:11 mircea_popescu: and took that section off the reporting orders.

05:04:23 Tulak_: ah mircea !

05:04:26 pankkake: gambling section is full of people looking for 0.00001 free btc

05:04:32 Tulak_: the prophet :)

05:04:59 pankkake: actually I wonder what are the use cases for borrowing in btc

05:05:02 mircea_popescu: i'm just an asshole.

05:05:15 mircea_popescu: pankkake there's a market for fantasy rape. same people.

05:05:35 nubbins`: heh

05:06:07 pankkake: there are some. I lent to one guy who wanted to buy something quickly (probably drugs but what do I care) and was waiting for mtgox

05:06:26 mircea_popescu: heh.

05:06:40 nubbins`: probably the only legit use

05:06:43 pankkake: he repaid me after btc went up 5×. lesson learned

05:07:31 mircea_popescu: just for fun i went through all the fiat-based deals where people wanted to ipo in bitcoin cca 2012 and i talked them out of it.

05:07:44 pankkake: well you also can't easily borrow millions without telling your banker what it's for

05:07:50 mircea_popescu: "well done, your company went up 5x in 2 years in fiat. that means only a 90% loss for your bitcoin investors!!1"

05:08:55 nubbins`: rentalstarter

05:09:50 nubbins`: i fucked up an entire batch of wedding invitations today, feels bad

05:10:05 pankkake: offer them a free print for the divorce

05:10:14 nubbins`: well i obv didn't deliver them yet :P

05:10:35 nubbins`: "here, sorry"

05:10:47 nubbins`: gotta start again from scratch

05:11:22 nubbins`: this time, i'll probably pay closer attention

05:17:09 Tulak_: re

05:17:46 nubbins`: re

05:17:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.405 BTC [-]

05:18:31 mircea_popescu: til "Bitbet owner is a slimy fuck that is the definition of elitist"

05:19:08 Tulak_: mircea_popescu, are you mpoe-pr on talk?

05:19:12 mircea_popescu: henceforth i shall be refered to as either mp in the direct or "the definition of elitist" in the euphemistic.

05:19:23 mircea_popescu: Tulak_ no, mpoe-pr is teh girl.

05:19:34 Tulak_: so your wife

05:19:40 nubbins`: heh

05:19:45 mircea_popescu: i ain't married.

05:20:01 Tulak_: good job

05:20:05 nubbins`: mp is like oprah

05:20:05 Tulak_: dont

05:20:22 nubbins`: he has a lifelong relationship with a man named steadman whom he refuses to marry

05:20:32 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ < she's the chick on the 2nd pic, in red. works for mpoe/mpex

05:20:32 ozbot: The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:20:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39 = 1.17 BTC [-]

05:21:35 Tulak_: holy mother! the knockers

05:22:04 mircea_popescu: some girls are fortunate.

05:22:15 Tulak_: guess ill have to stay here now

05:22:50 mircea_popescu: nubbins` oprah actually refuses to marry someone ?

05:22:55 Tulak_: so these people showed me yesterday why this is a better place to be than btctalk

05:23:04 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: wouldn't you?

05:23:21 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i would refuse to marry her, yes.

05:23:31 mircea_popescu: tho i WOULD take her down 42nd street in latex and a leash.

05:23:53 mircea_popescu: imagine the ratings!

05:24:30 Tulak_: whats the bitbet topic all about?

05:24:43 mircea_popescu: !topic

05:24:45 nubbins`: hm, she apparently dated roger ebert in the 80s!

05:25:01 mircea_popescu: what bitbet topic ?

05:25:29 nubbins`: the one that calls you slimy i guess

05:25:29 Tulak_: where this guy complains that he lost 10btc

05:25:53 mircea_popescu: o. i dunno, some guy.

05:25:57 Tulak_: because he sent without txfee and on closing of bet lol

05:26:08 Tulak_: mpoe-pr is going berserk

05:26:24 Tulak_: and i like some naughty girl action

05:26:31 mircea_popescu: this happens every time bitcoin perks up. buncha consumers get sucked in by the irresponsible media hype, then they get hurt.

05:26:49 mircea_popescu: somehow groking that bitcoin isn't a consumer affair is hard, and too many losers pushing it as such for lack of a clue.

05:26:50 Tulak_: and leave eventually

05:28:20 Tulak_: people would never handle 100000$ in such a carefree attitude, but sending 200 btc here and there

05:28:30 Tulak_: morons

05:29:06 Tulak_: oh well

05:29:35 mircea_popescu: well, bitcoin is bitcoin. the fiat part... whatever.

05:29:53 mircea_popescu: basically people buying it on the exchanges are exactly like the players buying game goods/toons on the illegal markets in most games

05:30:05 mircea_popescu: sure, they get whatever sword. but they didn't EARN it so they have no idea what is what

05:30:09 nubbins`: ^

05:30:12 mircea_popescu: they get killed, looted, whatever. as per game rules.

05:30:25 mircea_popescu: then they wish to whine to somebody. well... dohn't fucking buy it, mine it like everyone else.

05:30:31 mircea_popescu: it's not a currency.

05:35:35 mircea_popescu: http://lo.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1loy1u/is_labcoin_a_ponzi_scheme_bitbet_thinks_so/

05:35:50 mircea_popescu: look what teh ppls dredged up.

05:35:59 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you'll prolly enjoy the comments.

05:36:12 nubbins`: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/112113-sc13-gpus-would-make-terrific-276246.html

05:39:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.388 = 3.492 BTC [-] {2}

06:00:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00078744 = 6.2208 BTC [-]

06:06:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.22399999 = 1.12 BTC [+] {3}

06:31:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.003851 = 0.1656 BTC [-] {3}

06:47:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.388 = 9.7 BTC [-] {2}

07:37:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.003851 = 0.3851 BTC [-]

07:40:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00201001 = 0.3216 BTC [-]

08:05:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.003851 = 0.1155 BTC [-]

08:06:32 tulak_: yo

08:14:18 KRS-: hi

08:21:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 272 @ 0.003851 = 1.0475 BTC [-]

09:03:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]

09:09:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.03265 = 0.1633 BTC [-]

09:12:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]

09:13:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39899 BTC [+]

09:14:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00379989 = 0.1064 BTC [-]

09:52:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.24996099 BTC [+]

09:54:48 kakobrekla: moaning

09:55:12 jurov: hi kako

09:55:17 kakobrekla: heya

09:57:39 jurov: so big log, so small time

09:58:09 jurov: *little time

09:58:56 kakobrekla: :)

10:02:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey.

10:03:53 kakobrekla: heya

10:12:50 KRS-: i know you guys like max keiser but he sure seems like an idiot with an ego

10:13:22 KRS-: i worked for a guy like him and i could see through him like i had xray vision

10:13:46 KRS-: just wait til he becomes your enemy =/

10:13:57 mircea_popescu: KRS- wait, when did us guys liked him ?

10:14:01 mircea_popescu: he's a tool lol.

10:15:52 KRS-: he is a tool for sure..idk..people in btc seem to love him..he just seems to like whatever gets him attention.

10:18:20 tulak_: mircea!

10:18:48 mircea_popescu: KRS- you're exactly correct. also : http://fraudsters.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/

10:20:53 KRS-: i remember when this article came out..at the time i think it was ahead of the times, especially ahead of my comprehension..reading again...for sure ahead of my understanding at the time. ahh what i wouldnt do to rewind this shit back to apr.

10:22:02 KRS-: Nice to know I'm in the same company with folks that can not only think outside the box, the norm, but also above average intelligence and certianly not other lemmings.

10:23:49 mircea_popescu: that's too much, i'll take half.

10:25:29 KRS-: damn i gotta get some rest some time tonight

10:28:01 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/incredibly-popular-delusions-of-the-crowd-and-the-pernicious-role-of-government/

10:28:02 ozbot: Incredibly popular delusions of the crowd and the pernicious role of government. pe fraudsters - Un blo

10:31:35 KRS-: kickass blog dude..not sure if everoyne's ready for it all or not haha..kinda like nosuchlabs..which is maybe 10-15 yrs ahead of its time..I could be way wrong there though.. Ok..last cigarette before i retire to another episode of "Breaking Bad".

10:32:16 mircea_popescu: later.

10:33:23 KRS-: nite or uh morning (here)

10:40:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00201 = 0.201 BTC [-]

10:54:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.0007924 = 4.1997 BTC [+]

12:10:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00079115 = 9.7311 BTC [-] {2}

12:30:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39898 BTC [-]

12:49:38 deadweasel: ;;ticker

12:49:39 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 760.21008, Best ask: 764.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.78992, Last trade: 760.21008, 24 hour volume: 40265.64503467, 24 hour low: 677.0, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 731.87595

13:29:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39899 BTC [+]

13:48:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0036052 = 0.3605 BTC [-] {2}

14:00:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 3240 @ 0.000475 = 1.539 BTC [-]

14:03:01 ThePickingPair: Finally know what to spend my btc on - https://twitter.com/richardbranson/statuses/403875534339203073

14:07:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4901 @ 0.00045515 = 2.2307 BTC [-] {2}

14:07:51 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=338274.0

14:07:53 ozbot: [WARNING] BitPay pocketing over $1000 from me.

14:08:00 mircea_popescu: I think it's insane that BitPay cannot repay my whole 4 BTC back, after all they are damn revolved around bitcoin.

14:08:01 mircea_popescu: I feel jipped that BitPay stole over $1000 from me.

14:12:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0037 = 0.1036 BTC [-]

14:14:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.003799 = 0.1102 BTC [+]

14:18:52 ThickAsThieves: that thread makes no sense

14:19:09 ThickAsThieves: people want refunds in bitcoins now?

14:20:23 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they FEEEEEE EEEEELLLL they

14:20:25 mircea_popescu: 're entitled.

14:20:26 mircea_popescu: why not ?

14:20:45 deadweasel: feeeeeeelings. noooothing but feeeeelingss........

14:20:52 ThickAsThieves: thats seems like the question he should be asking is why not

14:21:08 ThickAsThieves: anger, use it or lose it

14:21:12 ThickAsThieves: ~ Mr. T

14:25:02 mircea_popescu: anyway. as i said, worst wave.

14:25:42 ThickAsThieves: what do we use as body shields?

14:26:14 mircea_popescu: anyway, my takeaway from that thread is that the sandman or w/e guy that was derping all over the bitbet thread nad being used by mpoe-pr for anvil dropping practice

14:26:23 mircea_popescu: now suddenly appreciates how business works and so forth.

14:26:36 mircea_popescu: maybe he can't admit she taught him a lot, but nevertheless she has and it's quite visible.

14:26:45 mircea_popescu: education through violence and humilation works.

14:27:52 deadweasel: some people break through, some people bounce off and have to try again.

14:28:20 mircea_popescu: bouncy ball!

14:28:22 ThickAsThieves: so the answer is to be hold our ground and educate any nearby monsters with insults and smacks to the back of the head?

14:28:28 ThickAsThieves: could work

14:28:30 mircea_popescu: it's been my policy so far.

14:28:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.003799 = 0.152 BTC [+] {3}

14:29:03 mircea_popescu: 1. make sure you have a motherfucking point ; 2. explain it to anyone asking / willing to listen ; 3. beat the shit out of anyone not wanting to listen.

14:29:21 mircea_popescu: it's what makes a country great, it's what'll make the country of bitcoin

14:29:26 mircea_popescu: *evil laughter*

14:29:29 mircea_popescu: TAKE OVER THE WORLD

14:29:36 mircea_popescu: /*evil laughter*

14:29:56 ThickAsThieves: lol

14:30:31 ThickAsThieves: Saint Mircea

14:30:38 ThickAsThieves: maybe theyll Saint us in the end

14:30:45 mircea_popescu: no cause i get too many bjs

14:30:55 ThickAsThieves: diff kinda Saints

14:31:15 mircea_popescu: so what, simon templar gets to act me in the made for tv movie ?

14:31:34 ThickAsThieves: you would be played by Kramer onb

14:31:36 ThickAsThieves: obv*

14:31:46 ThickAsThieves: no

14:31:48 ThickAsThieves: \Jerry

14:31:50 ThickAsThieves: def Jerry

14:31:59 mircea_popescu: i don't think either are scary enough.

14:32:14 ThickAsThieves: its his turning point in acting

14:32:18 ThickAsThieves: a grittier seinfield

14:32:26 mircea_popescu: lol. come watch derpy jewboy turn into al pacino over here!

14:32:41 mircea_popescu: the seinface.

14:33:26 ThickAsThieves: i'd like to be played by benicio del toro plz

14:33:41 mircea_popescu: not bad. maybe madonna's hubby directs

14:33:58 mircea_popescu: the cuts will look like freenode join/part storm on a bad day

14:34:47 mircea_popescu: totally unrelated : 20 hour gamma burst. http://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/r14/Science/2013/1121/Scientists-witness-massive-gamma-ray-burst-don-t-understand-it

14:34:59 thestringpuller: jurov: what are the additional fees (besides mpex) on coinbr trades?

14:35:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.39924096 = 12.3765 BTC [+] {4}

14:35:07 thestringpuller: just msg me the answer

14:35:21 ThickAsThieves: oh did i leave on the Weather Machine again?

14:35:23 ThickAsThieves: sorry

14:36:49 ThickAsThieves: cnn now using all caps in headlines

14:36:53 ThickAsThieves: awesome

14:37:09 ThickAsThieves: THE DAY CAMELOT FELL - FROZEN IN MEMORY

14:37:20 ThickAsThieves: Remembering the day JFK was killed

14:37:35 ThickAsThieves: "As his convertible rolled through Dallas, three shots rang out, their echoes lodging in our memories for years to come."

14:38:17 ThickAsThieves: other gems

14:38:18 ThickAsThieves: "Is Harry Potter stamp un-American?"

14:38:28 ThickAsThieves: X-Men' character comes out

14:38:34 ThickAsThieves: How you travel to North Korea

14:39:27 ThickAsThieves: we got Branson

14:39:28 ThickAsThieves: http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/bitcoins-in-space

14:39:29 ozbot: Bitcoins in space - Virgin.com

14:40:52 ThickAsThieves: "One future astronaut, a female flight attendant from Hawaii, has already purchased her Virgin Galactic ticket using bitcoins, and we expect many more to follow in her footsteps. "

14:41:29 ThickAsThieves: he's the one that caused the rally

14:42:23 thestringpuller: is there another rally?

14:43:09 ThickAsThieves: well he had to buy the coins before his announcement of course

15:00:06 Duffer1: "Bitcoin... one of the world’s most innovative businesses "

15:00:09 Duffer1: lol

15:00:45 mircea_popescu: "the internet.... the world's most confused place"

15:01:35 kleeck: "The world.... the universe's most confused place"

15:02:03 mircea_popescu: "one of the places - one of the place's most one place"

15:07:25 deadweasel: I don't know development, but thought someone here might like this: https://github.com/cloudflare/redoctober

15:09:18 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/tKNF73E.gif

15:09:33 taub: whats up with bitstamp prices exploding like that

15:09:35 taub: bad news?

15:11:30 mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?

15:12:14 kleeck: Why would bad news drive the price up?

15:12:59 mircea_popescu: and how is it up ? 780ish or w/e

15:13:31 kleeck: People want more Bitcoins?

15:13:34 mike_c: that is ath for bitstamp

15:13:44 kleeck: Yes. and now it is leading Gox.

15:13:59 mircea_popescu: maybe they also stopped doing payouts ?

15:14:04 mike_c: hah

15:14:17 mircea_popescu: more like it, someone did a larger arb with the azn mkt

15:14:18 ThickAsThieves: i blame Branson

15:14:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12599795 BTC [+]

15:14:59 jurov: we had some group on fb organizing arb via singapore

15:15:17 jurov: not following on them, but there was interest

15:15:46 mike_c: i bet there was. "you send me bitcoin, i promise I'll send back the yuan. double promise!"

15:16:00 thestringpuller: jurov: did you get my msg?

15:16:02 mircea_popescu: you can't really send yuan that much

15:16:35 jurov: thestringpuller: looks like not

15:17:14 taub: kleeck> Why would bad news drive the price up?

15:17:24 taub: stopping payments/clsoing down etc, people buying what they can to gtfo

15:17:40 taub: just surprised to see a 5% surge and not really anything on the other exchanges

15:17:53 taub: ;;premium mtgox bitstamp

15:17:54 gribble: Premium of MtGox over Bitstamp is currently -0.899390944166 %.

15:18:33 Duffer1: that's crazy

15:18:46 Duffer1: why would anyone stay on gox now?

15:19:07 bloctoc: last time bitstamp lead gox was right before it broke away from $350 wasn't it?

15:19:07 mircea_popescu: becayse they're mostly mtgox ?

15:19:30 Duffer1: ya that sounds about right bloc

15:19:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1500 @ 0.00391169 = 5.8675 BTC [+] {13}

15:20:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 483 @ 0.00399649 = 1.9303 BTC [+] {7}

15:38:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00078614 = 9.2765 BTC [-]

15:45:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 5000 @ 0.00013 = 0.65 BTC [-]

15:48:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 2500 @ 0.0001011 = 0.2528 BTC [-]

15:53:08 mircea_popescu: !t m s.nsa

15:53:09 assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0.0001011 / 0.0001011 / 0.0001011 (2500 shares, 0.25 BTC), 7D: 0.0001011 / 0.00011219 / 0.00015 (160037 shares, 17.96 BTC), 30D: 0.0001011 / 0.00013223 / 0.000235 (197447 shares, 26.11 BTC)

15:53:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1820 @ 0.00078373 = 1.4264 BTC [-]

15:54:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 7 @ 0.17 = 1.19 BTC [+]

15:56:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 261 @ 0.00409999 = 1.0701 BTC [+] {3}

15:58:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0398711 = 0.1994 BTC [+] {2}

15:58:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 2500 @ 0.000105 = 0.2625 BTC [+]

16:00:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 5000 @ 0.00012659 = 0.633 BTC [-] {2}

16:01:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]

16:02:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.03989899 = 1.1571 BTC [+]

16:03:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.0406 = 0.2842 BTC [+]

16:10:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 5050 @ 0.00012418 = 0.6271 BTC [-] {3}

16:10:56 pankkake: that reddit/labcoin/bitbet link is gold. keeping it for future reference

16:11:16 mike_c: i'm going to start a website that "explains" all price movements and become rich. like "mpoe just dropped as people realized the owner has a fondness for poisonous psychoactive mushrooms"

16:12:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 273113 @ 0.000105 = 28.6769 BTC [+]

16:13:25 mircea_popescu: mike_c you're kinda late to that party tho, by now my picture is more widely affixed to dictionary entries than goldstein

16:13:32 mircea_popescu: 's

16:13:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 4387 @ 0.000105 = 0.4606 BTC [+]

16:14:28 mike_c: whoa. that was a significant chunk of s.nsa float. 7%

16:16:34 mike_c: is that a 1984 reference? nice.

16:17:55 mircea_popescu: :p

16:26:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.4 = 3.6 BTC [+]

16:27:49 deadweasel: pankkake, just caught up, can't believe it kept going...

16:28:05 pankkake: haven't yet

16:28:36 bloctoc: I just saw the branson thing. reminds me of a pic I saw a while ago of Branson kit surfing with a young naked woman on his back.

16:28:37 bloctoc: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/524d9ea0eab8ea7a4702bf53/richard-branson-tells-us-the-story-behind-his-famous-kitesurfing-photo-with-a-naked-model.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-branson-photo-naked-model-2013-10&h=599&w=1199&sz=60&tbnid=sl0H3C3DB9memM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=180&zoom=1&usg=__XngMZHqznpAN2ffIGTwuQOALDpU=&docid=vSNu6DYXxbAhbM&sa=X&ei=7IWPUv3mLMbmoASSkQI&s

16:28:37 bloctoc: qi=2&ved=0CDIQ9QEwAg

16:28:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+]

16:29:26 bloctoc: sorry - meant to do this: http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/524d9ea0eab8ea7a4702bf53/richard-branson-tells-us-the-story-behind-his-famous-kitesurfing-photo-with-a-naked-model.jpg

16:30:26 deadweasel: I guess I should have realized NSFW

16:31:04 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters gradina edenului

16:31:05 gribble: Titu Maiorescu şi filosofia modernă - Gh. Zane: http://www.ices.ro/symposion/arhiva/symposion_08_2_2006.pdf

16:31:07 mircea_popescu: pff

16:31:34 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/

16:31:34 ozbot: NSFW Gradina Edenului pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:31:38 mircea_popescu: me:branson 4:1.

16:32:47 bloctoc: all I could see was paywall

16:34:19 bloctoc: s.mg has some nice depth all of a sudden. Thank you rich dude!

16:35:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4 = 4 BTC [+]

16:40:29 mircea_popescu: i recall the times 1k btc didn't make one rich

16:42:51 deadweasel: i still recall those times.

16:43:04 deadweasel: as the present.

16:43:12 tarmi: and future

16:43:23 deadweasel: for me, yes.

16:43:58 mircea_popescu: there's no future in 1k btc poverty.

16:44:00 mircea_popescu: sell nao.

16:44:26 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3676100#msg3676100 this is becoming kinda cool.

16:44:28 ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)

16:44:38 mircea_popescu: finally they've managed to work themselves to the actual ideological disagreement in question.

16:44:39 tarmi: there is no future, period

16:47:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]

16:49:13 benkay_: i got stopped cold in my tracks talking about the cardano last night

16:50:12 benkay_: question was "how open source is it?" and i completely dead-ended because how with a thing like the cardano is one supposed to a) get an idea of the code on the device, much less b) actually validate that code is there?

16:51:13 mircea_popescu: you can read the card with a reader

16:51:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.39 = 3.51 BTC [-] {2}

16:51:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00419999 = 0.1176 BTC [-] {3}

16:51:40 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133147.msg3626335#msg3626335

16:51:41 ozbot: PicoStocks, bitcoin stock exchange

16:51:48 mircea_popescu: picoscams, always good for a lol.

16:52:35 benkay_: so the cardano has a card reader built in, on which the code for the device is loaded?

16:54:09 mircea_popescu: benkay_ : well no, it uses a flash

16:54:11 mircea_popescu: oops

16:54:13 mircea_popescu: B) Cardano?s firmware. This is a socketed antifuse (OTP) ROM which is unique to your unit and is engraved with the latter?s serial number. If desired, it can be read on a common instrument sold for this purpose and its contents checksummed or otherwise perused. The checksum of your firmware ROM is printed on the bottom of the chassis, under the unit?s serial number. For your safety, this ROM is non-reprogrammable

16:54:13 mircea_popescu: . Please contact us for upgrades.

16:54:17 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/

16:54:17 ozbot: S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:57:50 benkay_: and the software that performs decryption/signatures? open for inspection?

16:58:10 mircea_popescu: this'd be the firmware.

17:00:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3650 @ 0.00066 = 2.409 BTC [+] {2}

17:01:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1486 @ 0.00066 = 0.9808 BTC [+] {5}

17:02:07 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg3676193#msg3676193 to the moon(?)

17:02:09 ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

17:02:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 14850 @ 0.00066 = 9.801 BTC [+] {4}

17:03:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 451 @ 0.00066 = 0.2977 BTC [+] {4}

17:03:46 mircea_popescu: i feel we need a channel mascot girl, who could moon for us.

17:04:14 benkay_: implying firmware on device will be unobfuscated?

17:04:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00066 = 0.99 BTC [+]

17:04:51 ThickAsThieves: So AM 28nm tape out in 2mos

17:04:56 mircea_popescu: afaik there's no plans to obfuscate it.

17:05:15 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves bet you against that ?

17:05:27 ThickAsThieves: hmm

17:05:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 110 @ 0.41201619 = 45.3218 BTC [+] {15}

17:05:36 ThickAsThieves: its hard NOT to bet against miners

17:05:45 ThickAsThieves: but how do you resolve a tape out bet

17:06:04 ThickAsThieves: probly need to wait

17:06:05 mircea_popescu: myeah.

17:06:18 ThickAsThieves: make the bet like AM ships gen3 products before Mar 20

17:06:20 ThickAsThieves: or such

17:06:27 mircea_popescu: i wonder if mining manufacturers are by now screening their released copy to bitbetproof it.

17:06:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.45212961 = 24.415 BTC [+] {4}

17:06:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.004199 = 0.1008 BTC [-]

17:06:38 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how about april 1st ?

17:07:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00419905 = 0.3359 BTC [+] {2}

17:08:10 ThickAsThieves: nah, thats when mtgox adds litecoin remember

17:08:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 650 @ 0.00066 = 0.429 BTC [+] {3}

17:08:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00380101 = 0.1064 BTC [-] {2}

17:09:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 521 @ 0.00066 = 0.3439 BTC [+] {3}

17:09:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 246 @ 0.00419989 = 1.0332 BTC [+] {2}

17:09:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]

17:10:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6000 @ 0.00066 = 3.96 BTC [+]

17:10:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.0042853 = 0.6771 BTC [+] {3}

17:10:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.22899999 BTC [-]

17:10:58 benkay: mircea_popescu: will cardano code be available for inspection?

17:11:34 mircea_popescu: yeah

17:11:40 mircea_popescu: didn't i just say that ?

17:12:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 450 @ 0.00066 = 0.297 BTC [+] {2}

17:13:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.49007499 = 5.8809 BTC [+] {5}

17:13:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 733 @ 0.00066 = 0.4838 BTC [+] {2}

17:14:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00420347 = 0.2186 BTC [+] {4}

17:14:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.040625 = 0.325 BTC [+] {2}

17:15:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.04099997 = 0.492 BTC [+] {2}

17:16:06 benkay: not in as dumb words as i need

17:16:33 benkay: hard experience has taught me to keep asking questions until the implicit answers match the explicit ones

17:16:39 mircea_popescu: i don't see how a blackbox item would be useful or practical.

17:16:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.46033333 = 9.667 BTC [-] {4}

17:16:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00424909 = 0.4249 BTC [-] {2}

17:16:55 benkay: and i'd rather be seen as an idiot than not ask questions and get fried for it later

17:17:10 benkay: nor i

17:17:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.46 = 15.64 BTC [-] {2}

17:17:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 200 @ 0.00066 = 0.132 BTC [+]

17:17:47 mircea_popescu: now, you will need a rom reader, and the ability to grok microcode,

17:17:47 mircea_popescu: but still.

17:18:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]

17:18:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1349 @ 0.00425231 = 5.7364 BTC [+] {4}

17:19:08 benkay: heh

17:19:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1827 @ 0.00066 = 1.2058 BTC [+]

17:19:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-]

17:19:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00449974 = 0.153 BTC [+] {3}

17:20:02 benkay: and the microcode will be stashed and signed somewhere on mpex/nosuchlabs for comparison to the devices?

17:20:25 mircea_popescu: dawg you refuse to read ? "If desired, it can be read on a common instrument sold for this purpose and its contents checksummed or otherwise perused. The checksum of your firmware ROM is printed on the bottom of the chassis, under the unit?s serial number"

17:21:28 benkay: i'm doublechecking that that's the only way to get it!

17:21:41 mircea_popescu: so basically, a rom reader is like hm lets see

17:22:06 mircea_popescu: like 15 bux ?

17:22:21 mircea_popescu: if you run linux you can hash the code for free, compare to what's printed on the thing.

17:22:30 mircea_popescu: if you find a difference we damn well wish to hear about it.

17:24:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.124975 = 0.4999 BTC [+] {2}

17:25:45 benkay: i'm still wrapping my head around the mircea_popescu policy approach to things

17:25:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.487 BTC [+]

17:25:57 mircea_popescu: how you mean ?

17:26:15 benkay: well american approach is to hold hands for customers

17:26:29 benkay: mircea_popescu approach is more like "fu learn tools"

17:26:36 mircea_popescu: hm

17:26:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1600 @ 0.00066 = 1.056 BTC [+]

17:27:08 tarmi: well, at least, you can learn something

17:27:16 mircea_popescu: basically it induces a lot of uncertainty on your end, as in, you're not even sure what words mean so multiple restatements are actually beneficial because they'd expose errors ?

17:27:25 mircea_popescu: i can see this argument.

17:27:43 benkay: yeah i generally can't english

17:28:24 mircea_popescu: well, the best advice being, don't go ordering 1k units out of the gate :)

17:28:40 mircea_popescu: get one, see if you like it.

17:28:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 14870 @ 0.00066 = 9.8142 BTC [+]

17:28:57 mircea_popescu: and if all you ever wanted was one, then let the bigger fishes get their prototypes first see if they like it.

17:29:06 mircea_popescu: hm. who'd have thunk it, this actually makes MORE sense of retail.

17:29:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00403392 = 0.1129 BTC [-] {3}

17:30:26 benkay: holding off carries added bonus of maybe reaping benefits of large batch production efficiencies, although i imagine a large fraction of that'll be captured by nsa itself

17:30:47 mircea_popescu: also carries the risk we just go sorry, production discontinued

17:31:02 mircea_popescu: you know, just like irl, early adopter risk/reward vs late adopter.

17:31:38 mircea_popescu: anyway benkay you've inspired me to write an article here.

17:31:41 mircea_popescu: this is deep stuff.

17:31:42 benkay: nooooo

17:31:48 mircea_popescu: nono, it's good.

17:31:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1702 @ 0.00066 = 1.1233 BTC [+] {2}

17:31:59 mircea_popescu: i feel like i've learned.

17:32:54 benkay: for the first time since late nineties i'm using this handle in public and my record is going to forever be "i bitcoins derp gpg derp wat asic derp quantum!"

17:32:55 benkay: forever

17:32:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 20399 @ 0.00066 = 13.4633 BTC [+] {3}

17:32:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00469 = 0.3142 BTC [+] {2}

17:33:23 mircea_popescu: maybe you'll end up a saint.

17:34:15 benkay: wandering from bitcoin enclave to bitcoin enclave barefoot in a robe

17:35:37 mike_c: if that's the worst thing that happens as you learn you are better off then a lot of people (like me) who have to learn by repeatedly making costly financially errors.

17:35:53 mircea_popescu: mike_c what's your worst ?

17:36:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.48866666 = 2.932 BTC [+] {3}

17:36:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.00066 = 0.165 BTC [+]

17:36:03 benkay: mike_c: why do you think the robe and barefoot?

17:36:16 mike_c: hehe

17:36:20 mike_c: my worst lost?

17:36:50 mike_c: *loss? well, the most recent was a few weeks ago when i sold those C200T options :)

17:37:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46033333 = 1.381 BTC [-] {2}

17:37:08 mike_c: right into the bubble! nice move! good for ~16 btc down.

17:37:23 ThickAsThieves: lol

17:39:31 deadweasel: mike_c, I got Lyme disease, arthritic symptoms so bad I couldn't hit the clutch on my truck, traded in and up for 4runner, sold my last bitcoins at ...... dun dun dun

17:39:34 deadweasel: 80

17:39:45 deadweasel: to say nothing of the psychological effects I was suffering.

17:40:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 77606 @ 0.00066 = 51.22 BTC [+]

17:43:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]

17:43:16 ThickAsThieves: was that you that day? when you quit bitcoin in IRC and went like "that's it, i'm out!"

17:44:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.00066 = 6.6 BTC [+]

17:48:41 mike_c: deadweasel: ouch. luckily, we are all in early enough to recover from our mistakes.

17:49:12 deadweasel: I'd like to think so. :)

17:49:44 deadweasel: ThickAsThieves: could be, psychological effects of spirochetes boring throuhg your brain can be quite dramatic.

17:50:33 deadweasel: in fact, my entire personality could be teh product of parasites, who knows.

17:50:53 deadweasel: american doctors certainly don't.

17:52:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.488 BTC [+]

17:53:48 mircea_popescu: benkay http://fraudsters.com/2013/today-ive-learned/

17:54:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.125005 = 0.25 BTC [-]

17:54:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 441 @ 0.00066 = 0.2911 BTC [+] {2}

17:55:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00468625 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}

17:55:40 mike_c: re: hot coffee. i took a biz law class once, and this lawyer came in and convinced us all that the mcdonalds coffee woman was correct. it was impressive.

17:55:47 benkay: daww what are you doing capitalizing my shit

17:56:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 88501 @ 0.00066 = 58.4107 BTC [+] {2}

17:56:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c i can convince you of anything you want.

17:56:41 mircea_popescu: that doesn't really mean so much

17:57:00 benkay: mircea_popescu: youtube link not so much?

17:57:15 mircea_popescu: i hate youtube. tjhey keep taking vids off

17:57:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 356 @ 0.00066 = 0.235 BTC [+]

17:57:24 mircea_popescu: then i end up with linkrot

17:58:13 mike_c: argument is this: 1) 170 degree coffee is blazing hot enough for anyone. 2) mcdonalds deliberately made their coffee 180 degree so they could advertise "we have hottest coffee" 3) this was irresponsible and caused big harm (woman burned uterus and couldn't have kids)

17:58:29 mike_c: better stated of course by slick lawyer

17:58:47 mircea_popescu: except "irresponsible" is an undefined symbol ready to take any content, and what woman did to herself is her damned problem

17:59:06 mircea_popescu: who says what is "enough for anyone" ?

17:59:18 mike_c: he made a good analogy to paint stripper

17:59:20 deadweasel: Actually, it was determined that they pushed the extra 10-20 degrees because the smell carried an extra few blocks, bringing in more customers.

17:59:34 mircea_popescu: mike_c let's hear it

17:59:45 deadweasel: as I learned it

18:00:12 mike_c: how paint stripper works at 170 parts per million, but company kept pushing the content for advertising "strongest", even though they know people open their paint stripper with a screwdriver and will sometimes spill it on themselves.

18:00:27 mircea_popescu: deadweasel someone deriving a benefit from their activity does not immediately create a right to realocation towards random bystanders.

18:00:44 mircea_popescu: mike_c "they know" is irrelevant. they don't give a shit.

18:00:49 mircea_popescu: nor should they. not their job to "know"?

18:00:56 mircea_popescu: i don

18:01:05 mircea_popescu: 't want apple telling me how to "safely" use my computer,

18:01:14 deadweasel: you do if it's filled with lava.

18:01:16 mircea_popescu: and it's not paint stripper's maker's job to "know" what i do with it

18:01:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1006 @ 0.00066 = 0.664 BTC [+] {2}

18:01:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.18705001 = 0.5612 BTC [-]

18:01:38 deadweasel: i mean, at least read the manual for the lava apple pc

18:01:52 deadweasel: Powered by Lava

18:02:04 mike_c: reverse side is that they were solely making it stronger (and more dangerous) to increase their marketing effectiveness. seems this behavior should be curbed by someone.

18:02:44 asciilifeform: i still don't get it. coffee is 100C at STP, max.

18:02:47 asciilifeform: no way around it.

18:02:58 mike_c: 170, 180F

18:03:13 mircea_popescu: mike_c yes. by THE MARKET.

18:03:42 tarmi: why would anyone drink coffee at mcdonalds? thats the worst coffee I have ever tried

18:03:57 mircea_popescu: maybe i was driving all across town for the 180f coffee cause my cock liked the temp.

18:04:04 mircea_popescu: now i can't have it cause retard woman ? fuck that.

18:04:15 mike_c: but NOBODY wanted 180 degree coffee

18:04:16 mircea_popescu: maybe the stronger paint stripper cleans my bath tub just perfect.

18:04:19 deadweasel: sue for your chilled cock

18:04:19 mircea_popescu: ...

18:04:29 abillionhorses: Will anyone here sell me their ActiveMining shares?

18:04:32 mircea_popescu: mike_c what's this, you either sue or don't exist ?

18:04:34 mircea_popescu: great for lawyers.

18:04:35 mike_c: that's the point. it was not for the benefit of ANY consumer

18:04:42 mike_c: just the company marketing campaign

18:04:49 mircea_popescu: how in the heck did your slick lawyer prove the negative ?

18:05:11 mike_c: slick lawyers don't have to prove, just convince.

18:05:51 mircea_popescu: still. a negative can never be a basis here.

18:05:57 mircea_popescu: benkay try youtue link nao.

18:06:36 mike_c: not a negative if mcdonalds admits it was not for customer benefit

18:06:53 mircea_popescu: macdonalds' have to be incredibly poorly counselled to do that.

18:07:05 mircea_popescu: seeing how it can't be a fact, no matter who claims it

18:07:19 mike_c: or careless and 'admitted' it in internal memos, etc.

18:07:21 mircea_popescu: so why make claims with no factual basis that are also against your economic interest.

18:07:31 mircea_popescu: internal memos. pshhh.

18:07:39 mircea_popescu: the classical case of the "internal memos" bs is the ford pinto.

18:07:54 mircea_popescu: it turned out that the "internal memos" were not either internal or memos. regulator mandated.

18:08:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705001 BTC [-]

18:09:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1379 @ 0.00066 = 0.9101 BTC [+] {2}

18:10:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a fun story : one summer @seaside i dug thriough so much sand to make castles i separated the quick of my nail, and infection bred.

18:10:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1012 @ 0.00066 = 0.6679 BTC [+] {2}

18:10:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.033 = 0.264 BTC [-] {2}

18:10:51 mircea_popescu: alcohol did nothing, rivanol did nothing, eventually my mother heated water to boiling and i stuck my finger in there repeatedly.

18:11:03 mircea_popescu: she couldn't quite believe it, but by the next day my nail was fine.

18:11:06 abillionhorses: that woman that spilled hot coffee on herself from mcdonalds actually skalded herself and had to get skin graphs etc and it was an older woman...she had a lot of reasons to sew actually

18:11:25 abillionhorses: sue...lol

18:11:27 mircea_popescu: abillionhorses need does not constitute a basis here.

18:11:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2629 @ 0.00066 = 1.7351 BTC [+] {4}

18:11:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705001 BTC [-]

18:11:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4953 @ 0.0007725 = 3.8262 BTC [-]

18:11:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.032734 = 0.1637 BTC [-] {3}

18:11:57 abillionhorses: whats that supposed to mean

18:12:18 mircea_popescu: it means that it makes no difference how much trouble the woman got herself into.

18:12:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705001 BTC [-]

18:12:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3475 @ 0.00066 = 2.2935 BTC [+]

18:13:14 abillionhorses: haha ok well 180 is a little hot for coffee imo...she deserved to win against MCYD's

18:13:27 abillionhorses: but i get your point

18:13:44 abillionhorses: Anyone selling their ActiveMining shares I can buy?

18:13:47 deadweasel: She would have to be aware that the coffee was 180 to 'get herself into trouble'

18:13:50 mircea_popescu: i have no problem with you rooting for the underdog, as you perceive it.

18:13:52 deadweasel: was she made aware?

18:14:30 ThickAsThieves: why do you want ActM shares?

18:14:30 mircea_popescu: deadweasel perhaps that's an argument there. in the end, you can sell dangerous mushrooms in europe as long as you give people insteructions on how to properly cook them

18:14:38 ThickAsThieves: do they even exist anymore?

18:14:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 999 @ 0.00066 = 0.6593 BTC [+]

18:14:41 abillionhorses: its not about rooting for underdog, its the fact that most people dont expect their coffee to be 180, so when it is...and it spills on an older woman causing her to have to get surgery...yes there prob should be a suite

18:14:49 abillionhorses: lol at TAT

18:14:53 dexX7: https://blockchain.info/tx/1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204 195k btc on the move

18:14:53 ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction 1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204

18:14:54 ThickAsThieves: sew a suite

18:15:00 abillionhorses: of course they do

18:15:32 abillionhorses: suite lol god dammit my spelling is terrible today

18:15:35 ThickAsThieves: lol the tx says "Shit load of money!"

18:16:03 dexX7: a redditor labeled it

18:17:27 mike_c: gotta love that the fees for transferring over $100m was zero.

18:18:36 mircea_popescu: old coinbase.

18:19:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1435 @ 0.00010197 = 0.1463 BTC [-] {5}

18:19:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.18705001 = 0.3741 BTC [-]

18:19:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00066 = 0.99 BTC [+]

18:20:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48789999 = 1.9516 BTC [-] {2}

18:20:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705001 BTC [-]

18:20:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 116 @ 0.00455 = 0.5278 BTC [-]

18:21:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00469 = 0.469 BTC [+]

18:21:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.489 BTC [+]

18:22:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.498 = 1.494 BTC [+]

18:23:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49966666 = 1.499 BTC [+] {3}

18:23:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 149 @ 0.00469 = 0.6988 BTC [+] {2}

18:24:48 tulak_: good evening ladies

18:24:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0047 = 0.376 BTC [+] {2}

18:24:56 deadweasel: howdy tulak_

18:25:22 tulak_: pretty retarded day deadweasel

18:25:30 tulak_: i had to rush-install 6 laptops

18:25:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]

18:25:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0047 = 0.329 BTC [+]

18:25:53 deadweasel: fucking lame. tulak_

18:26:07 deadweasel: better than breaking rocks though... maybe. could b eargued.

18:26:18 tulak_: i have this job at my university

18:26:24 tulak_: quitting at the end of the year tho

18:26:45 mircea_popescu: http://www.okayafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/nigeria-naked-protest.jpg

18:27:27 ystarnaud: lol wtf

18:27:50 mircea_popescu: irl tits. never what you hoped for.

18:27:58 ystarnaud: haha i'd say

18:28:12 ystarnaud: harsh reality of life

18:28:29 tulak_: mircea_popescu: the prophet of truth

18:28:41 deadweasel: protesting mammary support devices.

18:29:09 mircea_popescu: maybe this is why nigerians scam.

18:29:24 abillionhorses: i need more mammary in my computer....oh thx for pix

18:29:44 tulak_: mgio made me pick up java once again

18:29:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0047 = 0.188 BTC [+]

18:29:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 172 @ 0.00066 = 0.1135 BTC [+] {2}

18:29:56 tulak_: so this thread is helpful after being 2 hours in it

18:30:01 tulak_: thread=channel

18:31:17 mircea_popescu: java is evil.

18:31:43 tulak_: well

18:31:50 tulak_: I am a Sith, so java is just fine

18:32:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 296 @ 0.00066 = 0.1954 BTC [+]

18:33:17 tulak_: someone be a scam-spotter: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=338379.0

18:33:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 200 @ 0.00066 = 0.132 BTC [+]

18:36:44 mircea_popescu: just some bot.

18:37:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.461 = 1.383 BTC [-]

18:37:07 tulak_: primedice has a bot functionality already

18:37:20 tulak_: why create a bot and charge money? is this what people call capitalism

18:38:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 60 @ 0.18391053 = 11.0346 BTC [-] {11}

18:39:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0047 = 0.1034 BTC [+]

18:39:04 deadweasel: Mobile County Alabama: http://www.fox10tv.com/news/local/mobile-county/suspects-family-angry-at-good-samaritan

18:39:25 deadweasel: it's so surreal...

18:39:44 deadweasel: .If his (the customer) life was not in danger, if no one had a gun up to him, if no one pointed a gun at him - what gives him the right to think that it's okay to just shoot someone?. said the relative. .You should have just left the store and went wherever you had to go in your car or whatever..

18:40:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6635 @ 0.00066 = 4.3791 BTC [+]

18:41:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2100 @ 0.00066 = 1.386 BTC [+] {2}

18:41:18 mircea_popescu: adric white is black ?!

18:41:21 mircea_popescu: shocking.

18:42:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]

18:44:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00469 = 0.2345 BTC [-]

18:45:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00469 = 0.1876 BTC [-]

18:45:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.49914285 = 6.988 BTC [+] {6}

18:49:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4999 = 4.999 BTC [+] {2}

18:50:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00066 = 0.198 BTC [+]

18:52:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]

18:53:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 28 @ 0.0399 = 1.1172 BTC [+]

18:53:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.495 = 0.99 BTC [-] {2}

18:54:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 700 @ 0.00066 = 0.462 BTC [+]

18:56:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6766 @ 0.00066 = 4.4656 BTC [+]

18:58:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 152 @ 0.00066 = 0.1003 BTC [+] {2}

19:00:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00450609 = 0.1036 BTC [-] {4}

19:00:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.529999 BTC [+]

19:01:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.53 = 14.31 BTC [+]

19:02:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5425 = 4.34 BTC [+] {3}

19:03:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 79 @ 0.00469999 = 0.3713 BTC [+] {3}

19:03:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5650015 = 2.26 BTC [+] {2}

19:03:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9773 @ 0.00066 = 6.4502 BTC [+]

19:06:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 185 @ 0.00469994 = 0.8695 BTC [-] {2}

19:06:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00066 = 0.198 BTC [+]

19:06:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0399 = 0.3591 BTC [+]

19:07:06 dexX7: ThickAsThieves: do you continue the am100 <> am1 exchange or is it over now?

19:07:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00066 = 0.33 BTC [+]

19:10:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00066 = 1.98 BTC [+]

19:12:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1882 @ 0.00066 = 1.2421 BTC [+] {2}

19:12:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2000 @ 0.00473714 = 9.4743 BTC [+] {5}

19:13:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.0007725 = 12.6304 BTC [-]

19:13:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0049 = 0.49 BTC [+]

19:13:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [+]

19:14:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00499795 = 0.3698 BTC [+] {4}

19:14:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.5178111 = 4.6603 BTC [-] {5}

19:15:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.005 = 0.135 BTC [+] {2}

19:18:01 dub: http://www.cheapair.com/blog/travel-news/book-your-flights-on-cheapair-with-bitcoin-virtual-currency/

19:18:02 ozbot: Book your flights on CheapAir with Bitcoin virtual currency | CheapAir

19:21:44 mircea_popescu: cheapair ?!

19:28:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00066 = 1.98 BTC [+]

19:33:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.00066 = 0.165 BTC [+]

19:37:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]

19:38:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/620/asicminer-gen3-on-schedule/

19:39:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 841 @ 0.00066 = 0.5551 BTC [+]

19:40:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.04329397 = 4.3294 BTC [+] {9}

19:42:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00503622 = 0.277 BTC [+] {4}

19:43:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54727999 = 2.7364 BTC [+] {3}

19:45:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9043 @ 0.00066 = 5.9684 BTC [+]

19:46:07 deadweasel: http://bitbet.us/bet/608/super-bowl-coin-toss-will-be-heads/ intersting strategy.

19:46:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0051 = 0.1428 BTC [+]

19:46:11 ozbot: BitBet - Super Bowl coin toss will be "heads"

19:53:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0051 = 0.1683 BTC [+]

19:54:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00201001 = 0.1206 BTC [+]

19:57:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

19:58:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00201001 = 0.3015 BTC [+] {2}

19:59:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.55 = 4.4 BTC [+]

20:00:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00509847 = 0.2549 BTC [-] {3}

20:02:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 200 @ 0.00066 = 0.132 BTC [+]

20:05:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1900 @ 0.00066 = 1.254 BTC [+]

20:08:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57999999 BTC [+]

20:10:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5908 @ 0.00066 = 3.8993 BTC [+]

20:10:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.58 = 10.44 BTC [+]

20:11:08 kakobrekla: davout stop scamming https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.0

20:11:27 kakobrekla: same goes for pankkake.

20:11:39 kakobrekla: and deadweasel ofc, but we know him from before.

20:11:55 pankkake: lol

20:12:10 mike_c: i like how he posts links to monthly reports as proof of stealing. because of course all thieves publish monthly reports detailing their crimes.

20:12:41 kakobrekla: gotta keep the crime record clean

20:12:55 TomServo: "They hide this policy in there FAQ" (Here's a handy link)

20:13:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.005101 = 0.1785 BTC [+]

20:14:24 jurov`: http://michaelsnyder.mensnewsdaily.com/2013/11/china-announces-that-it-is-going-to-stop-stockpiling-u-s-dollars/ USD freefall from now on?

20:14:24 ozbot: China Announces That It Is Going To Stop Stockpiling U.S. Dollars | MND - Your Daily Dose of Counter

20:17:07 pankkake: does it mention dollars specifically or any other currencies?

20:18:03 jurov`: afaik but china was not hoarding other currencies far so much

20:18:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0052 = 0.104 BTC [+]

20:18:46 jurov`: "crude oil futures may soon be priced in yuan on the Shanghai Futures Exchange"

20:19:23 jefito: china obv tired of petrodollar

20:19:39 jefito: multi pronged usd attack

20:19:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20154 @ 0.00077401 = 15.5994 BTC [+]

20:19:59 pankkake: also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24486685 earlier

20:21:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.582889 BTC [+]

20:23:45 mircea_popescu: lol scammors

20:24:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00539 = 0.4582 BTC [+] {2}

20:25:46 mircea_popescu: these people are so retarded. so if i hire a different mpoe-pr each month basically i can keep scamming indefinitely, provided i was bfl and actually did exactly that.

20:25:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.0007792 = 11.0646 BTC [+]

20:25:49 mircea_popescu: how fucking derpy.

20:26:24 mircea_popescu: then they wonder why republic not democracy and no voting by idiots allowed.

20:26:44 deadweasel: but my feeeeelings!

20:28:09 kakobrekla: juj pankkake you shouldnt have tell him/them the funny part!

20:28:37 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla honestly i don't think it makes a difference.

20:28:48 pankkake: removing

20:28:49 pankkake: :D

20:29:44 pankkake: the funniest part of the gold thread is that the guy added a POLL to it

20:31:59 mike_c: how is mpex market maker bot working? gribble & bitcoincharts are still hosed.

20:32:03 mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc

20:32:08 gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.

20:32:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58289999 BTC [+]

20:33:14 mike_c: hah. nvm. it just turned off

20:34:03 mike_c: er, now its back.

20:34:19 mircea_popescu: you know, the one thing missing in the mix is joel katzx

20:34:49 mircea_popescu: mike_c possibly old data ?

20:34:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58289999 = 1.7487 BTC [+]

20:35:00 mircea_popescu: alternatively, bot might have gotten a lucky shot in

20:35:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.18704059 = 0.3741 BTC [+] {2}

20:35:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 885 @ 0.000122 = 0.108 BTC [+]

20:36:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00066 = 0.33 BTC [+]

20:37:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-]

20:38:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18704059 BTC [+]

20:38:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00543 = 0.3258 BTC [+]

20:39:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00544 = 0.3536 BTC [+]

20:39:23 mircea_popescu: for the newer ppl : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121915.180

20:39:38 mircea_popescu: this is the birthplace of the much coveted cherry truck award. quite the gem.

20:40:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705 BTC [+]

20:41:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]

20:41:59 jurov`: https://www.bitstamp.net/article/banking-software-issues/ that's why bitstamp > gox

20:42:00 ozbot: Banking software issues *RESOLVED* - Bitstamp

20:42:01 dexX7: i remember this guy ... https://blockchain.info/tx/2af75fb4e50a14bf247575bf426615d01f9d6db4d88dc0668d27c88259f68691 and actually send him even a step by step tutorial how he can rebroadcast his tx with a fee :S

20:42:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.094875 = 0.5693 BTC [-] {3}

20:43:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.09010091 = 0.1802 BTC [-]

20:43:29 mircea_popescu: dexX7 unlikely he had another 10 btc in the first place, and moreover he didn't send from an address he controlled

20:43:50 mircea_popescu: jurov` so it was they stopped payments too huh ?

20:44:04 dexX7: ah

20:44:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.0852798 = 1.0234 BTC [-] {6}

20:44:15 jurov`: yes some ppl had to wait since monday

20:44:24 mircea_popescu: only took like 12 hours. considering the 0 fees i would call this admirable.

20:44:46 mircea_popescu: if only the person had the decency to bet 12 hours before the 750 was crossed, rather than 12 minutesd or w/e

20:46:07 mircea_popescu: pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3678506#msg3678506

20:46:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 45613 @ 0.000105 = 4.7894 BTC [+]

20:46:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58 = 1.16 BTC [-]

20:46:11 mircea_popescu: the conspiraci thickens.

20:46:45 kakobrekla: hahahaha

20:46:50 kakobrekla: so it DID make a difference.

20:47:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC [+]

20:47:10 mircea_popescu: only because of milky shenanigans

20:47:20 kakobrekla: i win.

20:47:38 mircea_popescu: can't believe dood STILL hasn't read stuff like the bitbet contract.

20:47:46 kakobrekla: shhhhs

20:47:59 mircea_popescu: i mean, carelessly sending some btc, okay. you don't have the time, you don't care, you don't know shit exists, all is fine.

20:48:21 mircea_popescu: but then spending two days whining about it under mpoe-pr's rain of arrows, and she actually links you to it, and you still don't read it...

20:48:39 mircea_popescu: this degree of intellectual laziness is unexplainable outside of it being the product of the us educational system.

20:49:25 pankkake: nooo MPOE-PR

20:50:15 mircea_popescu: what she do ?

20:50:20 pankkake: exposed us

20:50:34 pankkake: and that cancels my evil plan

20:50:36 ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate

20:50:37 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 687004394.262 based on data for last three days

20:51:01 ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats

20:51:03 gribble: Current Blocks: 270980 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 1179 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

20:51:14 mircea_popescu: this supernode is too strong to be easily deterred. you'll have plenty more evil plan opportunities something tells me

20:51:47 pankkake: but I was quite proud of my trick. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3678584#msg3678584

20:51:53 pankkake: let's see if someone finds out

20:52:59 mircea_popescu: pankkake da fuck is icedice

20:53:12 pankkake: just-dice clone

20:53:16 pankkake: just reflink whoring

20:53:20 mircea_popescu: you running it ?

20:53:20 mircea_popescu: ah

20:53:39 jefito: it's all bitbet's fault because someone didn't include a tx fee and their txn went unnoticed, eh

20:53:49 pankkake: it's not especially groundbreaking, I actually removed my coins so it doesn't make me anything

20:53:54 jefito: yeah i'd whine and cry and try to blame someone for that stupid fuck up too

20:53:58 jefito: until nothing happened

20:54:04 thestringpuller: there should be a website to vote on the code that goes into bitcoin

20:54:07 thestringpuller: github is lame

20:54:24 ThickAsThieves: its called reddit

20:54:24 pankkake: vote?

20:54:29 kakobrekla: like you understand what code does?

20:54:33 ThickAsThieves: they make all the big decisions

20:54:38 thestringpuller: lololol

20:54:39 mircea_popescu: lol

20:54:45 thestringpuller: reddit votes on the code going into bitcoin

20:54:55 mircea_popescu: the spic's sarcastic humour is maturing nicely i feel

20:55:02 kakobrekla: i vote when ill take a dump, so what

20:55:16 pankkake: git, the actual tool that makes github useful, makes it very easy to vote for yourself

20:55:22 asciilifeform: here's an even better idea: vote on chess moves! who needs champions when you've got reddit. no need for the voters to know how to play! 'wisdom of crowds!'

20:55:31 asciilifeform: (stole this one from moldbug)

20:55:38 mircea_popescu: o yeah, that's some kind of chess i could possibly win

20:55:39 thestringpuller: exactly!

20:56:03 ThickAsThieves: crowdwisdom, i like it

20:56:12 ThickAsThieves: we could make whole governments this way

20:56:36 asciilifeform: (source: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html)

20:56:39 mircea_popescu: it could be abbreviated to wdw

20:56:51 kakobrekla: "well done world?"

20:57:02 mircea_popescu: sure. or woodrow wilson or w/e

20:57:18 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.msg3678394#msg3678394 asicminer bet broken?

20:57:20 ozbot: ASICMINER Speculation Thread

20:57:45 jefito: surek for xo boxen

20:57:48 mircea_popescu: what already ?

20:57:53 jefito: wtf

20:58:19 mircea_popescu: pankkake didn;'t he say 0.25 gh/w ?

20:58:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2500 @ 0.00066 = 1.65 BTC [+]

20:58:49 pankkake: " <0.2W per G"

20:58:57 thestringpuller: 1.21 gh/w ?

20:59:11 pankkake: so that's actually 0.2w/gh

20:59:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0057 = 0.114 BTC [-] {2}

20:59:34 mircea_popescu: so therefore 4Gh per w is generous

20:59:36 mircea_popescu: ashould have been 5

21:01:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00569999 = 0.114 BTC [-]

21:01:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "The molecular nanotechnology we have, life, is built on low-energy bonds and runs in a wet environment with a very high error rate. Diamondoid nanotech is built on high-energy bonds, runs (at least for manufacturing) in hard vacuum, and depends on a very low error rate - errors will cascade like crazy." this is a surprisingly cogent point.

21:02:09 mircea_popescu: i don't think nanotech has a prayer in hell for the exact same reasons.

21:02:23 mircea_popescu: you're more likely to enjoyably fuck alabaster women.

21:03:09 asciilifeform: 'nanotech' is a mostly empty 'marketing word.'

21:03:23 mircea_popescu: even conceptually, if one tried to so salvage it.

21:03:44 mircea_popescu: nobody seems to understand that in order to exist, the gray slime needs to be rather nonuniform.

21:03:50 asciilifeform: you'll find it referring to perfectly ordinary things (microscopic mirrors in everybody's movie projector) to total crackpottery (robotic maxwell's daemons, etc.)

21:03:58 mircea_popescu: (which makes it much less threatening, which is why they don't want to understand it)

21:05:33 pankkake: so what happens to the AM bet?

21:06:07 mircea_popescu: nothing ? you see a problem with it ?

21:06:21 pankkake: aren't the specs incorrect?

21:06:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54 = 2.7 BTC [-]

21:07:42 mircea_popescu: as far as i can see friedcat claimed 5 Gh/W and the bet only asks for 4

21:07:53 mircea_popescu: so they're incorrect in the sense they err the right way.

21:08:15 pankkake: ooh, I need to understand units

21:08:40 mircea_popescu: whatever, if he delivers 4.8 a la bitfury i'd rather the bet be clear.

21:10:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53000003 BTC [-]

21:11:23 mike_c: all you have to do is go post something positive about bitbet in that thread. snackman will put you in the club.

21:11:49 mike_c: he runs it after all

21:12:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 76 @ 0.00550246 = 0.4182 BTC [-] {5}

21:13:48 pankkake: is PR a second life DJ?

21:14:00 mircea_popescu: anyone taking bets on whether he has a nervous breakdown and disappears rather than breaks down and admits he fucked up ?

21:15:14 pankkake: it's what usually happens

21:15:26 mircea_popescu: well which one

21:15:48 pankkake: oh, disappearing

21:16:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}

21:17:01 mircea_popescu: yeah this will need handicapping

21:17:29 ThickAsThieves: random thought, what are ripples worth these days?

21:17:38 ThickAsThieves: i remember selling mine for 7btc or so

21:17:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.002 = 0.22 BTC [-] {2}

21:18:03 thestringpuller: lol

21:18:21 thestringpuller: ;;seen benkay

21:18:21 gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 21 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <benkay> mircea_popescu: youtube link not so much?

21:18:25 pankkake: much lower

21:18:48 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves a cent each or w/e

21:18:57 pankkake: not that it is surprising since give you can many of them just for having a github account

21:19:16 pankkake: or a bitcointalk account (with signup date requirements)

21:19:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.53000009 = 4.24 BTC [+] {3}

21:19:48 pankkake: hard to compete with free

21:20:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00543558 = 0.2555 BTC [-] {3}

21:21:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.0054 = 0.2862 BTC [-]

21:25:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 28536 @ 0.00066 = 18.8338 BTC [+]

21:25:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [+]

21:31:47 mircea_popescu: pankkake i have no idea what the second life dj thing is about

21:31:54 mircea_popescu: girl's never played she says.

21:32:23 pankkake: I thought he had better stalking skills than me. I am relieved

21:33:44 mircea_popescu: who knows what random people are being sent random unconfirmed zero fee emails full of bile

21:34:12 mircea_popescu: on account of there being people with electricity they didn't pay for and computers their society got them for free, bored and otherwise unemployed towards any useful purpose.

21:35:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53000002 BTC [-]

21:35:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 190 @ 0.00066 = 0.1254 BTC [+]

21:36:24 pankkake: oh he's the one who wrote "I expect MP was abandoned as a child and this is how s/he gets back at the world." earlier

21:38:37 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3679016#msg3679016 aren't like half of PR's post about the WoT?

21:38:39 ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)

21:39:59 mircea_popescu: pankkake they're looking for siomething more like mem's list.

21:40:09 mircea_popescu: or w/e that other similar idiocy was

21:40:22 pankkake: I don't know what that is

21:41:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.075 = 0.525 BTC [-] {2}

21:41:03 mircea_popescu: some kid made a list of good and bad gambling sites to enforce his notions that i am racist and satoshi dice is bad.

21:41:16 mircea_popescu: the thing was amusing for a coupla days and that's the last i recall of it

21:41:38 pankkake: oh, plenty of those lists. mostly by site operators sockpuppets

21:41:46 pankkake: including one who went ponzi, oops

21:41:51 mircea_popescu: doh.

21:41:56 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3679079#msg3679079

21:41:57 jurov`: what boggles me that nobody there labeled you chauvinist.. prolly they dont read fraudsters

21:41:57 ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)

21:41:59 mircea_popescu: she has it, pretty much.

21:42:09 mircea_popescu: jurov` i don't think they know what it means.

21:42:25 mircea_popescu: chauvinist is a big word among 20something lonely unshaven feminists.

21:42:33 mircea_popescu: these are 20 something lonely fat dorks. different bad words.

21:42:54 mircea_popescu: which is why all the child pornography nonsense

21:43:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.3449 = 0.6898 BTC [+]

21:44:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.04559979 = 0.912 BTC [+] {2}

21:45:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53 BTC [-]

21:45:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 30 @ 0.06322694 = 1.8968 BTC [-] {9}

21:45:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0054 = 0.54 BTC [-]

21:45:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00066 = 1.98 BTC [+]

21:45:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.04559979 = 0.5928 BTC [+] {2}

21:45:25 pankkake: why chauvinist? I don't follow

21:46:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.18705 = 1.8705 BTC [+] {3}

21:47:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]

21:50:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53166666 = 1.595 BTC [+] {2}

21:51:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53 = 1.06 BTC [-]

21:51:53 Guest41620: I sent you money in a way you didn't want me to, and in a way you can't refuse. Give it back :P

21:52:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.11548996 = 1.1549 BTC [+] {4}

21:52:33 pankkake: in a few years faucet operators will want their money back

21:53:13 Guest90914: bah, identify

21:53:29 mircea_popescu: mike_c holy shit the guy was actually late ?!

21:53:45 mircea_popescu: this is riotous.

21:53:46 mike_c: he claims he initiated the transfer before then

21:53:55 mike_c: but there is no evidence of that

21:53:59 mircea_popescu: jesus.

21:54:05 pankkake: there's not even evidence that it's his tx

21:54:11 mircea_popescu: this is official, way to go make a complete fool of oneself.

21:54:19 mircea_popescu: it's up there with the tortilla.

21:55:11 mircea_popescu: if only i had known when i put that policy in that it will serve so shiningly well.

21:57:57 pankkake: well, I still think a softer fee approach would be better. instead of 1% refund and 100% oops, do 20% for both

21:58:43 mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, bets can be cancelled for all sorts of reasons,

21:58:46 pankkake: if his bet would have been sent with a tx fee, it would only be 1%

21:58:52 mircea_popescu: many of which not imputable to the bettor

21:58:59 pankkake: I guess

21:59:10 mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, he sent it late. even with a 10 btc fee it'd have been confiscated.

21:59:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.12568 = 0.6284 BTC [+] {2}

21:59:21 mircea_popescu: if he had sent it 12 hours earlier however it'd have been fine

21:59:31 jurov`: pankkake: "male chauvinism" says you something?

21:59:35 mircea_popescu: course, he didn't WANT TO sent it 12 hours later, because he's nobody's fool.

21:59:43 pankkake: jurov`: I only knew chauvinism as patriotism

22:00:04 pankkake: no but I mean, if he wanted to bet after the fact, and it got included, say, 10 min after the fact

22:00:09 pankkake: the bet would not be closed

22:00:16 mircea_popescu: this is true

22:00:17 pankkake: and he would get refunded with 1% fee

22:00:27 pankkake: and I think those cases should have a higher fee

22:00:42 mircea_popescu: perhaps, but we're running into clerical complications

22:00:42 pankkake: but it depends, sometimes the better genuinly doesn't know…

22:00:54 mircea_popescu: the correct way is to have the bets close as close to actual time as possible

22:01:21 mircea_popescu: anyway, 100% is clean. any other value is "why not less ?"

22:01:27 mircea_popescu: 1% is equal to the rake, so that's stable.

22:02:06 mircea_popescu: and tbh i'dmuch rather one guy get hit for 100% once a year, go berserk and thus warn all other wannabe scumfaces,

22:02:13 mircea_popescu: than it being a constant occurence.

22:02:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.12724 = 1.2724 BTC [+] {3}

22:03:21 smickles: wtf bet on the price rising rather than buying more or buying an option (or similar)

22:04:50 mircea_popescu: i dunno but some people like doing that.

22:08:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.512 = 2.56 BTC [-] {2}

22:10:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00548879 = 0.1537 BTC [+]

22:13:09 mike_c: fwiw, when you run a gambling operation you need to be draconian and ruthless. Not cry over stupid gamblers. This is why mp is better suited to run a gambling operation than dooglus.

22:13:12 mike_c: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242962.msg3570809#msg3570809

22:13:14 ozbot: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game

22:13:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 188 @ 0.00066 = 0.1241 BTC [+]

22:14:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50255 = 1.0051 BTC [-] {2}

22:16:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 47221 @ 0.00066 = 31.1659 BTC [+]

22:16:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49 = 1.96 BTC [-] {2}

22:17:20 mike_c: you want to know the best part? snackman will continue to bet on bitbet in a desperate attempt to get his money back.

22:17:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-]

22:17:59 mircea_popescu: maybe it works out for him and he gains englightment.

22:20:16 mircea_popescu: definitely a bunch of bets that are (or at least seem to me) out of odds. if he actually sits down and figures shit out he's prolly +ev

22:20:28 mike_c: hahah. lolz

22:20:40 mike_c: he couldn't even sit down and read the faq

22:20:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00509166 = 0.1629 BTC [-] {5}

22:21:08 mircea_popescu: this being after all the one reason parimutuel rules. pretty much the only place you can consistently get +ev if you're using the head.

22:21:58 mircea_popescu: mike_c ya well... 7:1 or something :p

22:22:07 kakobrekla: given your bets are not tamperd with.

22:22:38 mircea_popescu: who tampers with bets ?

22:22:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4502 BTC [-]

22:23:03 kakobrekla: you know, the bitcointalk downtime.

22:23:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.45010001 = 1.3503 BTC [-] {2}

22:24:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.4500109 = 16.6504 BTC [-] {2}

22:24:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00468005 = 0.4025 BTC [-]

22:25:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 211 @ 0.0046805 = 0.9876 BTC [+] {5}

22:26:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 295 @ 0.00468 = 1.3806 BTC [-] {2}

22:27:10 mircea_popescu: propositions, different thing!

22:27:33 kakobrekla: yea yeah

22:27:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 144 @ 0.00453563 = 0.6531 BTC [-] {6}

22:27:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4501 BTC [+]

22:27:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.00066 = 0.165 BTC [+]

22:28:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.004389 = 0.1492 BTC [-]

22:28:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]

22:31:16 BigBitz: Wow... BitBet and the 10BTC incident. lol. Brutal.

22:31:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.045589 = 0.3191 BTC [-]

22:36:39 mircea_popescu: BigBitz at least it keeps bitcoin price up.

22:43:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 128 @ 0.002009 = 0.2572 BTC [+]

22:44:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.18705001 = 0.9353 BTC [+]

22:49:42 jborkl: https://blockchain.info/tx/1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204

22:49:42 ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction 1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204

22:49:48 jborkl: you see that Mircea

22:50:06 mircea_popescu: jborkl yea ?

22:50:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]

22:50:26 jborkl: 194000 BTC

22:50:59 jborkl: I like how blockchain tagged it shitloadofmoney

22:51:43 mircea_popescu: afaik anyone can tag an addy

22:52:01 jborkl: ah, didn't know that

22:52:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49947499 = 1.9979 BTC [+] {3}

22:52:24 Apocalyptic: yep mircea

22:52:59 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/#c1858

22:53:00 ozbot: BitBet - And Then There Was One

22:53:12 mircea_popescu: ppl make bets, then my ego gets called into question.

22:53:15 mircea_popescu: woe is me.

22:54:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]

22:55:09 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, is Kodric the guy running Bitstamp ?

22:55:18 kakobrekla: yes

22:55:21 mircea_popescu: possibly

22:55:41 Apocalyptic: damn, didn't expect him to answer support tickets

22:55:47 mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder how long before bitbet broker springs up, dedicated to making bets for noobs in a safe and pleasant fashion.

22:56:13 kakobrekla: make a bet

22:56:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5005 @ 0.00066 = 3.3033 BTC [+] {2}

22:56:19 mircea_popescu: no cause my ego.

23:00:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00077931 = 5.7669 BTC [+]

23:02:33 mircea_popescu: incidentally, the snackman dood is this jewish kid : http://d13pix9kaak6wt.cloudfront.net/avatar/users/s/a/m/sam.weinrott_1360387671_08.jpg

23:02:40 mircea_popescu: 24 yo, south philly.

23:03:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00201136 = 0.1368 BTC [+] {2}

23:04:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.0020929 = 0.427 BTC [+]

23:09:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.460105 BTC [-]

23:10:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.460105 BTC [-]

23:22:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46000001 BTC [-]

23:22:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00409 = 0.1513 BTC [-]

23:23:41 BigBitz: Apocalyptic he runs it with some of his friends.

23:23:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.0041 = 0.2993 BTC [+]

23:23:44 BigBitz: all local guys.

23:23:54 BigBitz: noone out side of Slovenia and noone he doesn't know personally.

23:24:00 Apocalyptic: ok good to know

23:24:01 BigBitz: in regards to Nejc.

23:24:10 BigBitz: I spoke to him at BTC London. He's a nice dude.

23:30:23 jurov`: lol bitbet broker.. does it have an API?

23:33:03 mircea_popescu: kako is working on json yeah

23:33:17 mircea_popescu: it doesn't really need more than that, addies are automatic.

23:33:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46100001 BTC [+]

23:33:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 112 @ 0.0041 = 0.4592 BTC [+]

23:34:46 benkay: mircea_popescu we demand accounts on bitbet

23:35:06 benkay: and zero-conf bet funding

23:35:35 jurov`: myeah, without password you don't feel secure enough

23:35:44 mircea_popescu: lol

23:36:05 mircea_popescu: you can type a password in the search field at the start of each session.

23:36:17 mircea_popescu: it's very safe, can never be lost to hackers etc.

23:36:54 benkay: will you also set up 2fa cardano on my electrum wallet?

23:36:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0041 = 0.1886 BTC [+]

23:37:41 mircea_popescu: uh.

23:42:10 thestringpuller: !ticker havelock am1

23:42:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.38800000 / 0.45779031 / 0.58289999 (586 shares, 268.26512301 BTC), 7D: 0.23500000 / 0.44204528 / 0.63280000 (2526 shares, 1116.60636764 BTC), 30D: 0.23500000 / 0.60374745 / 1.06000000 (6944 shares, 4192.42229083 BTC)

23:42:24 thestringpuller: daman son

23:42:27 thestringpuller: daaayyumn

23:48:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0007792 = 4.5973 BTC [-]

23:57:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 380 @ 0.00066 = 0.2508 BTC [+]

23:59:51 thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6

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