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00:00:14 mircea_popescu: i mean, i like spolsky and errything. but...

00:05:01 nubbins`: https://twitter.com/bitcointalk

00:05:03 assbot: BitcoinTalk (@bitcointalk) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Ziig )

00:05:03 nubbins`: someone with a twatter account ask thermos to manually restore the woodcollector scamzor thread

00:05:27 davout: nubbins`: i'll just post that in #bitcointalk-staff

00:05:33 nubbins`: o

00:05:52 nubbins`: tell him no sweat if all the nubbins rep threads don't get restored ;D

00:06:18 davout: hah, w/e not much ppl there, and no gribble, so no ;;later tell

00:06:32 mircea_popescu: gribble works globally!

00:06:56 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxefyn

00:06:58 assbot: TheWoodCollector comments on Anybody know why bitcointalk is down? ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4ZJJo )

00:07:12 davout: mircea_popescu: how will it know theymos is around if doesn't hang out in a chan where gribble also idles?

00:07:20 nubbins`: "I dont have a youtube account. Well, didnt have a youtube account. With new accounts you can only upload 10 minute videos i just found out. My DSLR camcorder records 20 minutes of video at a time."

00:07:50 mircea_popescu: davout ah there is that.

00:08:07 davout: and afaik thermos isn't that big of an irc guy

00:08:50 davout: nubbins`: just make a fake expert woodcarver competitor account, you'll probably get a whole extra load of lulz out of it

00:08:56 davout: when it comes back

00:08:59 mircea_popescu: lmao

00:09:03 Apocalyptic: davout, I've seen him idling in #bitcoin recently

00:09:06 mircea_popescu: why!

00:09:17 nubbins`: my dslr will take a minimum of 20 minutes of video at a time

00:09:18 nubbins`: lelelel

00:09:29 mircea_popescu: "I NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS FROM MY OWN MIND, I HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT I USED STOCK IMAGES ON SOME OF THE PIECES. that is not a crime, i own the rights to them. 70% of your metal coins on the forum have stock image elements on them. Better start a dozen more witch hunts."

00:09:41 mircea_popescu: handcarved stock image!

00:10:13 davout: a screencap of a stock picture is OC!1 genius!

00:10:15 *: mircea_popescu goes to starred restaurant, orders happy meal. they put one together by hand. me is gratified.

00:10:26 davout: lol

00:11:03 mircea_popescu: "you know you could have had duck a la reine for the same money ?"

00:11:07 mircea_popescu: "what's money."

00:12:05 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/9cebc0d25b6527f339ca7a05bc59a012/tumblr_ng3je7D9CM1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

00:12:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y50Eto )

00:12:23 mircea_popescu: "agricultrice francaise"

00:15:26 davout: et ce n'est pas le champ que ca me donne envie de labourer...

00:15:43 mircea_popescu: <:D

00:16:18 mircea_popescu: (it's not labour, it's to plow. false friend :D)

00:16:38 mircea_popescu: while in english women go into labour, in french men labour to send them there.

00:17:13 davout: semantically the french "labourer" is a subset of "to labour"

00:17:31 davout: as in "one particular kind of work"

00:17:59 mircea_popescu: :p

00:19:43 mircea_popescu: davout actually the best continuation of the laser handcarving drama would be if the guy turns out to be a midget chinese woman that does it with her nails.

00:20:26 davout: that stock photographers stole from?

00:20:59 mircea_popescu: lol no, actually copies stock photos for no discernible reason.

00:21:09 mircea_popescu: just you know, pure absurdism.

00:22:05 davout: i can taste the absurd

00:22:38 BingoBoingo: I'm telling you the better version of this scam would be an artisan laser etching booth with a placebo joystick.

00:22:54 mircea_popescu: that would be pretty cool too

00:23:32 BingoBoingo: "hand guided laser etching"

00:23:51 mircea_popescu: no magnifying glass or anything right ?

00:24:33 BingoBoingo: Of course not. It's a carnival barker's scam.

00:24:36 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/f0052b5e9c40283fe9a86fa64ea0b7b8/tumblr_ng3fjklqmB1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg << that obnoxious moment when not only your younger sister has better boobage... but she outruns you, too.

00:24:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y53bUr )

00:24:39 mircea_popescu: #girlhate

00:28:54 mircea_popescu: !up nijotz

00:30:00 nijotz: mircea_popescu: danke

00:30:04 mircea_popescu: sure.

00:30:11 nijotz: I'll have to look into this web of trust rating

00:30:48 mircea_popescu: defo.

00:35:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8847 @ 0.00050317 = 4.4515 BTC [+] {2}

00:47:55 davout: that pronoun-gate keeps delivering

00:49:01 mircea_popescu: lol

00:50:18 davout: http://i.imgur.com/eAGlewn.png

00:50:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7PeNR )

00:52:03 BingoBoingo: My two favorite parts of speech to use "Fuck" as are pronoun and adverb. "Stupid fuck, stop fuckly jumping around like a fuck."

00:54:31 davout: BingoBoingo: which makes me think of -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9KUaOlxpk

00:54:33 assbot: François Pérusse - Apprendre l'anglais - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BiUuKZ )

00:54:48 davout: "Learn english"

01:01:25 mircea_popescu: sooo... camembert pizza. who knew.

01:01:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00049015 = 3.284 BTC [-]

01:04:09 davout: mircea_popescu: 60 million french people

01:04:22 mircea_popescu: what can i tell ye.

01:05:26 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitcoin-finance-in-2014/ << i thought this was pretty great writing from mike_c

01:05:27 assbot: Bitcoin Finance in 2014 | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7Ru7J )

01:05:31 mircea_popescu: !up Foptork

01:05:41 mike_c: thank you!

01:07:17 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=8&cpage=1#comment-17069 << comments from folks who won't learn to read are annoying

01:07:19 assbot: Loper OS » Intro, Part II. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7ROmM )

01:09:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: router... instructions << see this site: http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL >> the only modification is, take a larger usb flash drive, follow his gpart resize instructions.

01:09:05 assbot: FreeBSD 10.x on Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite ... ( http://bit.ly/1BiW8MC )

01:09:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: near the end of that page there is a script for cross-compile to mips on a larger machine (e.g. x86)

01:10:14 pete_dushenski: stan can it be true that you haven't written an article in 7 months ??

01:10:24 pete_dushenski: seems like you had a solid streak going

01:10:35 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it's true. largely on account of being very busy with actual work.

01:10:49 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i generally don't write the kind of article that doesn't require at least a full day's concentration.

01:11:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not certain, however, that 'edgerouter' would be the optimal candidate for the mega-cheap node. the device itself is around 100 usd, and a decently large flash drive is yet again a quarter of that.

01:11:45 asciilifeform: what did we need these for again...?

01:11:52 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that effort definitely comes through!

01:12:30 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: glad you enjoyed the articles. i actually have a new one in the works, but - no time presently to finish it.

01:13:14 asciilifeform: (it was to concern the usg dept. of firmware-diddlers)

01:13:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so that anyone can make one, and perhaps some of the redditards actually will.

01:13:19 pete_dushenski: ah well looking forward to it

01:13:22 nubbins`: "The battery just died in my camera, so i am taking a quick break"

01:13:27 nubbins`: -woodcollector

01:15:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it would be quite simple to distribute a binary image that a monkey could pipe to usb flash and insert. for man, rather than monkey, one would prefer a 'thebitcoin.foundation'-style cookbook with signed configs/patches...

01:15:37 mircea_popescu: or a blogpost.

01:15:39 mircea_popescu: anything.

01:15:53 mircea_popescu: i just want a single item containing absolutely 100% everything that is needed, with no references.

01:16:00 mircea_popescu: none of "go here and it's 95% good"

01:16:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you have a favourite piece of hardware in mind? preferably one which you know to be readily available around the world.

01:16:43 mircea_popescu: nope. i was trying to shoehorn into your recent research.

01:16:47 asciilifeform: aha

01:16:54 *: asciilifeform thinks

01:16:55 mircea_popescu: since you did all that anyway

01:17:17 kakobrekla: hook it up to anonibox!

01:17:18 nubbins`: two raspberry pis for the cost of a $100 router :P

01:17:31 mircea_popescu: yeh a $100 router is a bit rich.

01:17:42 asciilifeform: nubbins`: go try set up a node (any version of bitcoind you like) on 'raspberry'.

01:17:46 mircea_popescu: nubbins` is the raspberry still on a queue ? or they worked itthrough yet ?

01:17:47 nubbins`: 8)

01:17:47 undata: it will never sync

01:17:52 undata: the pi is teeerrible

01:17:56 asciilifeform: nubbins`: they used a defective i/o chip, which is abominably slow

01:17:58 nubbins`: mp they're freely available these days

01:18:02 mircea_popescu: aok

01:18:07 nubbins`: asciilifeform even the "B+" version?

01:18:28 nubbins`: http://www.raspberrypi.org/products/model-b-plus/

01:18:29 assbot: Model B+ | Raspberry Pi ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7TGw5 )

01:18:29 undata: if the tutorial included bootstrap.dat maybe, and even then would take a lifetime to catch up from there

01:18:30 asciilifeform: even it.

01:18:43 pete_dushenski: mike_c your year-in-review just reminded me about just-dice...

01:19:08 pete_dushenski: i was thinking that someone in the wot needs to get a dice site going and i was going to see if j-d was in need of a new owner but it looks like it's still running?

01:19:15 mike_c: yeah. what a money spout that thing was. i miss it.

01:19:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00048217 = 26.8569 BTC [-] {2}

01:19:21 mike_c: j-d now runs on fake-coin

01:19:22 pete_dushenski: now i wonder who's behind it

01:19:26 mike_c: b-a has a dice site, coinroll

01:19:30 mike_c: jurov runs it

01:19:49 pete_dushenski: a yes!

01:20:02 pete_dushenski: jurov needs to promo better

01:20:02 nubbins`: how about a beaglebox

01:20:06 nubbins`: or w/e they're called

01:20:13 pete_dushenski: the man has services to provide!

01:20:13 nubbins`: beagle...bone?

01:20:18 undata: nubbins`: that's it

01:20:58 nubbins`: http://blog.timmattison.com/archives/2014/01/02/compiling-bitcoind-on-the-beaglebone-black/

01:21:01 assbot: Compiling Bitcoind on the BeagleBone Black - Tim Mattison ... ( http://bit.ly/1BiXBCz )

01:21:16 nubbins`: hm, i may try this

01:21:20 undata: wouldn't be bad to know the least amount of computer that could reasonably be expected to keep up with the blockchain for a worthwhile amount of time

01:21:35 nubbins`: straight-up, there's an opportunity to make money selling plug-n-play nodes

01:21:44 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have 'openbsd' on one of these. also a little sluggish, though not as dreadful as 'raspberry'

01:21:57 undata: asciilifeform: what tinyputer do you use?

01:22:00 nubbins`: sluggish is okay, as long as it works

01:22:09 asciilifeform: undata: i have a number of them, for various experiments

01:22:27 undata: asciilifeform: any you consider that merit mention?

01:22:52 asciilifeform: nubbins`: imho, the best machine would be one which is readily available off the shelf with chassis, power supply, etc. and not require carpentry

01:23:13 asciilifeform: undata: they are all, as you would expect, rather threadbare.

01:23:26 mircea_popescu: !up infobel

01:23:37 mircea_popescu: yeah how's coinroll doing since j-d died ? jurov

01:23:58 nubbins`: asciilifeform: beaglebone black w/ custom-made btc-branded case, preloaded w/ software and ready to go. Slap it in a plastic clamshell, "babby's first bitcoin node"

01:23:58 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, what high end alternative to beagleboard would you recommend, if there is one ?

01:24:04 nubbins`: walmart will be sellin em this time next year

01:24:07 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> straight-up, there's an opportunity to make money selling plug-n-play nodes << there is. i'd advertise it.

01:24:11 pete_dushenski: i wonder if jurov would sell coinroll ?

01:24:20 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: depends, for what purpose

01:24:29 nubbins`: i'd front some $$ to get it going as well

01:24:36 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: if you like 'arm', there are a thousand boards to choose from.

01:24:47 nubbins`: package and market it right, you could make a tidy sum

01:24:56 nubbins`: brb

01:25:08 mike_c: pete_dushenski: he's a partner, not sole proprietor.

01:25:25 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> not require carpentry << replacing the soldered-in flash i can see, with the user's choice : 64, 128, we. but other than that, ideally nothing

01:25:27 pete_dushenski: a well til

01:25:35 pete_dushenski: mike_c you aren't the other partner are you?

01:25:38 mike_c: nope

01:25:47 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, arm would do, for various experimenting purposes, just something similar in size and with quality components

01:25:47 mike_c: i want to say namworld, but not sure

01:26:11 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski iirc, namjies and i dun recall who else had it before

01:26:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cheapest means of getting a unit with arbitrarily expandable storage is to pick one with usb lines

01:26:39 mircea_popescu: or that.

01:26:45 pete_dushenski: !gettrust namjies

01:26:45 assbot: namjies is not registered in WoT.

01:27:13 kakobrekla: namjies == namworld

01:27:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 100000 @ 0.00009 = 9 BTC [-]

01:29:02 pete_dushenski: that's a funny nickname then

01:29:52 undata: http://beagleboard.org/black << cool that it has internal storage; it could ship with OS

01:29:53 assbot: BeagleBoard.org - black ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7VCVl )

01:29:58 undata: that plus some external storage

01:29:58 mircea_popescu: lawl #bitcoin-bra

01:30:02 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what would you say is minimal ram for a 0.5.3 node bringup ?

01:30:28 kakobrekla: youd want 1gig

01:30:49 kakobrekla: maybe 500 if system has small footprint

01:31:14 kakobrekla: o shit gotta /nick ben_vulpes first

01:31:25 asciilifeform: 1g is probably not happening on 100 usd.

01:32:13 mircea_popescu: i dun think so. 256mb will prolly do it, if slowly.

01:33:01 kakobrekla: not in present chicken state but dont mind me what do i know

01:33:05 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/la-republica-argelina-democratica-y-popular/

01:33:11 mod6: i've got a buddy running it on an aws micro with like 600Mb and it's working, but it runs itself out of ram like 1x per hour.

01:33:19 kakobrekla: ^^

01:33:22 mod6: s/working/running

01:33:56 mod6: ive got a separate vm that has 1Gb of ram and it runs for about a 18-20 hours before it runs out of ram.

01:34:11 nubbins`: heheh

01:34:15 nubbins`: well i mean

01:34:26 kakobrekla: recall the munin charts i posted

01:34:28 nubbins`: the amount of ram isn't really the issue

01:34:42 mod6: my aws vm has like 2gb of ram and it runs out between 24 - 48 hours

01:34:47 nubbins`: the inexorable consumption thereof is the issue

01:34:51 mod6: yes.

01:34:59 undata: hah, I had munin on a micro and it'd help take down the instance

01:35:05 nubbins`: so maybe not design the device around the memory leak

01:35:15 undata: pile up on itself when the previous cron hadn't finished munging graphs

01:35:16 nubbins`: so it runs out once an hour? unplug it

01:35:31 kakobrekla: lol undata

01:36:01 nubbins`: fuck, kill and restart bitcoind on a timer

01:36:06 nubbins`: :P

01:36:11 kakobrekla: nubbins` thats what i did.

01:36:24 asciilifeform: ugh

01:36:27 mircea_popescu: when i said "it'll run" i meant smething like that.

01:36:45 nubbins`: then eventually when the real bitcoin core fixes the current memory leaks

01:36:54 nubbins`: your handy pocket node is already there

01:36:58 mircea_popescu: yeah, like, once mod6 does it.

01:37:02 nubbins`: HEH

01:37:07 mircea_popescu: not before. power fuckers had ~5 years to do it.

01:37:09 mircea_popescu: did jack.

01:37:17 nubbins`: that's what i meant

01:37:21 mircea_popescu: !up infobel

01:37:22 nubbins`: real = .foundation

01:37:37 infobel: tnx Popescu

01:37:43 mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?

01:37:57 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> did jack. < no leak in newer version, so they actually fixed it

01:38:00 nubbins`: !up mats

01:38:06 mats: ur da best

01:38:15 nubbins`: kakobrekla let's see the diffs :D

01:38:16 mats: re: router discussion, seems to me the obv solution is an OpenWrt 'package'

01:38:30 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla which one ?

01:38:45 kakobrekla: afaik 0.7 has bug 0.8 does not have bug

01:38:45 mircea_popescu: mats prolly something like that.

01:38:54 kakobrekla: this is from memory

01:38:54 mircea_popescu: no wai, .8 still leaks.

01:38:56 mod6: a few days ago, I had been looking mapOrphanBlocks as a possible reason that it runs itself out of ram as this structure goes unchecked in size in v0.5.3 -- when I was at ~180,000 blocks, these are the stats that I had built up so far:

01:39:00 mod6: http://dpaste.com/365FMDC

01:39:01 assbot: dpaste: 365FMDC ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7X1ex )

01:39:22 mod6: yeah, i've read on place that they have this leakyness -- crashing problem all the way up to .9

01:39:25 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i cant run .7 for more than a day on system x, runs .8 endlessly

01:39:28 mod6: *places

01:39:38 kakobrekla: .8x where x i dont recall atm

01:39:43 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu your article's title had me hoping for a deeper explanation into 'oficialismo' ...

01:40:01 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lol. im no local expert, i onlybeen here like a year.

01:40:10 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a the x may be it.

01:40:27 infobel: any thoughts on Trezor anybody?

01:40:34 mircea_popescu: !s trezor

01:40:35 assbot: 127 results for 'trezor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trezor

01:40:38 PeterL: pete_dushenski I tried to put in a fix to scoopbot, he should respond to your blog now, let me know the next time you post something

01:40:53 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu ok mister, you've got one more year!

01:41:02 mircea_popescu: 3 years.

01:41:08 mod6: well, i could be wrong. i just saw a thing where they were telling some guy running a way forward version that he should add more swap or some such nonsense. but yeah... so it's been in there for a while.

01:41:10 pete_dushenski: PeterL wunderbar! danke!

01:41:21 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu 3 more or 3 total ?

01:41:22 PeterL: well, thank me once it works ;)

01:41:28 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tba

01:41:30 asciilifeform: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d2.htm << x86. but passively cooled, supports fast storage, ~100 usd.

01:41:31 assbot: PC Engines alix2d2 product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7XvRV )

01:41:46 pete_dushenski: PeterL lol ok

01:42:13 asciilifeform: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix3d2.htm << smaller version of same.

01:42:13 assbot: PC Engines alix3d2 product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7XE7W )

01:42:15 mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/61a537228bbfbd79aed85abac6cb524d/tumblr_ng39r5zhn41s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

01:42:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7XD3I )

01:42:40 mod6: awesome pics today :)

01:42:42 mats: jurov:it's more about acquiring useful muscle memory bits << kung fu is not a system of fighting, its a system of thought. you must outthink your opponent, whatever form he takes... because some of them will be more than just men.

01:44:54 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/98205cc2e0379b675c31617e77233033/tumblr_ng38y4I2Li1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg there you go mod6

01:44:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7Y3Hx )

01:45:28 mod6: =)

01:46:03 infobel: almost legal? :)

01:46:21 undata: infobel confirmed for cop

01:46:36 mircea_popescu: cop a feel ?

01:46:49 asciilifeform: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/easyacc/wizard8800?s[]=mips << almost the idea, imho, physical embodiment for a node; but the hero who can stuff node into 32m is not yet born

01:46:50 assbot: EasyAcc Wi-Stor Wizard 4in1 wireless storage 8800 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7YnG9 )

01:46:50 infobel: :))

01:46:55 asciilifeform: *ideal

01:47:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how hard is to field-upgrade these rams ?

01:47:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depends whether the address lines are all brought out on the pcb

01:47:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: often, they are not.

01:47:53 mircea_popescu: can we look at easyacc schematix ?

01:48:41 mircea_popescu: lol that was long lasted

01:48:47 mircea_popescu: PeterL what's killing it ? dja know ?

01:49:13 PeterL: oh, that was me restarting it again, be back up in a sec

01:49:34 mircea_popescu: ah

01:49:57 asciilifeform: 'wistor' schematics << chinese have not posted them, it seems, in the usual places. yet.

01:50:02 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/a0908a7376263961cd2a22f33c2544c1/tumblr_ng35mjck061s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

01:50:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj0PpJ )

01:50:41 asciilifeform: it also appears to be out of production. but i distinctly recall seeing similar gadgets advertised.

01:51:11 mircea_popescu: meh, oop is no good for us

01:51:53 asciilifeform: http://www.openstora.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

01:51:58 assbot: OpenStora ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj0ZgN )

01:51:58 decimation: asciilifeform: there's a guide for booting 'edgerouter lite' with gentoo https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MIPS/ERLite-3

01:52:00 assbot: MIPS/ERLite-3 - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj104m )

01:52:00 asciilifeform: ^ ~35 usd

01:52:04 mircea_popescu: sounds much better

01:52:08 asciilifeform: decimation: yes, saw. flaky in may ways.

01:52:34 decimation: yeah, 'only works' with certain usb drives, and only certain kernels

01:52:38 asciilifeform: the 'verbatim' appears to be available in massive qty. 802.11+gb eth.

01:52:45 asciilifeform: 128M ram.

01:53:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00087646 = 2.1912 BTC [-] {18}

01:54:33 *: asciilifeform double-checks

01:55:58 ben_vulpes: how'd i get almost 800 lines behind in one day!?

01:56:36 mircea_popescu: chewing tits is my bet.

02:00:07 thestringpuller: lol

02:00:12 asciilifeform: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/kingston/mlw221 << interesting

02:00:13 assbot: Kingston Mobilelite Wireless MLW221 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1E80yt9 )

02:00:39 asciilifeform: http://wiki.openwrt.org/_detail/media/mlw221-02.jpg?id=toh%3Akingston%3Amlw221 << instead of shielding the wireless card, as traditional...

02:00:39 assbot: media:mlw221-02.jpg [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1E80FoD )

02:01:33 asciilifeform: ~50 usd.

02:08:11 asciilifeform: !up mats

02:13:15 Apocalyptic: mircea, re http://fraudsters.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/ , great piece

02:13:16 assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj38sL )

02:23:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, anyone else still awake: 'pogoplug' - 256MB ram; ~25 usd.

02:24:01 asciilifeform: gigabit ethernet.

02:24:23 asciilifeform: 128mb version, 15 usd.

02:24:36 asciilifeform: quite certainly parachutable behind enemy lines.

02:24:43 asciilifeform: !s liberator pistol

02:24:44 assbot: 0 results for 'liberator pistol' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=liberator+pistol

02:25:07 asciilifeform: was certain we spoke of it at one point

02:25:26 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, out of these thousands boards to chose from, know any that features a Cortex-A57 CPU ?

02:25:45 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: can't say from memory alone, i'm not an arm aficionado

02:26:41 Apocalyptic: alright, from what I got so far the ODROID-U2 looks decent, with a Cortex-A9 though

02:26:52 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: what are you building ?

02:27:14 jurov: lolwut coinroll

02:27:41 jurov: pete_dushenski: it does kinda have pimp..er..affiliate program now

02:27:53 jurov: negotiate with namworld

02:28:04 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, nothing in particular, just want to play with a board having a powerful CPU

02:28:33 pete_dushenski: jurov intriguing...

02:28:35 jurov: btw what about odroid? or it's turd?

02:28:46 pete_dushenski: ;;seen namworld

02:28:46 gribble: namworld was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <Namworld> That's 888poker

02:29:03 asciilifeform: 'pogoplug' may actually be the cheapest linux box presently sold.

02:29:09 asciilifeform: turns out.

02:29:18 kakobrekla: sez 50$ a year

02:29:27 asciilifeform: a year if you buy their idiot chumpcloud thing

02:29:37 asciilifeform: so far, as i understand, the hardware is a loss-leader.

02:29:38 kakobrekla: you have other source?

02:29:42 asciilifeform: hence it is exactly what we want.

02:29:45 asciilifeform: let the morons pay.

02:30:11 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: one can buy the gadget without subscribing to the idiocy

02:30:19 kakobrekla: weird

02:30:35 jurov: it's faster than rpi?

02:31:39 asciilifeform: jurov: not certain, as i've not tested it. but rpi had an uncommonly slow usb controller.

02:31:40 jurov: rumor has it that it has even slower i/o

02:32:05 asciilifeform: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2110

02:32:06 assbot: Arch Linux ARM • View topic - Pogoplug Series 4 - Hardware CPU / Memory RAM ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj50BT )

02:32:24 asciilifeform: they have sata jacks as well.

02:32:33 jurov: but..128 ram?

02:32:36 asciilifeform: anyone who can scavenge a laptop drive, can use.

02:33:02 asciilifeform: 128m promises to be tight, to say the least, with current 0.5.3.x

02:34:10 asciilifeform: the older 'pogoplug' actually shipped with 256m.

02:34:20 asciilifeform: for, iirc, the same cost.

02:36:52 jurov: amazon sells them between $20-$60 depending on version

02:37:59 asciilifeform: jurov: their 'p22' appears to ship with 256m. ~25 usd.

02:38:23 asciilifeform: again, i have not tried these machines.

02:40:33 asciilifeform: jurov, ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu - if one of you presently has a 0.5.3.x in a vm, try running under hard constraint of 128 or 256m. see when croaks.

02:50:54 mod6: i'll put it on the list here...

03:11:54 mod6: ok running with 128mb ram

03:14:45 mod6: http://dpaste.com/1EPVKEK

03:14:46 assbot: dpaste: 1EPVKEK ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj9Cb2 )

03:25:55 pete_dushenski: so it's working alright or... ?

03:27:18 mod6: http://dpaste.com/2BDCF3R

03:27:20 assbot: dpaste: 2BDCF3R ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjbgJM )

03:27:27 mod6: up to 68,xxx blocks....

03:27:31 mod6: still going

03:38:35 mod6: 90xxx

03:41:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00048049 = 4.0121 BTC [-]

03:59:01 mod6: here's some vm info: http://dpaste.com/2JS2NC1

03:59:03 assbot: dpaste: 2JS2NC1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bjf7Xj )

03:59:05 mod6: 102xxx

04:01:40 ben_vulpes: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/winklevoss-twins-aim-to-take-bitcoin-mainstream-with-a-regulated-exchange/

04:01:43 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4yCZa )

04:02:21 asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes: as i understand, if the hypothetical node has a working oomkill mechanism, it will - mostly - run without intervention

04:03:24 ben_vulpes: i'm not entirely up to date on the thread, asciilifeform

04:04:32 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu posed a question re: what might be the cheapest reasonably-compact machine that will run 0.5.3.

04:05:31 mod6: it would be neat-o to see this run on some sort of commercial router with a large flash-rom in there.

04:05:57 asciilifeform: mod6: i picked up the sata-enabled 'pogo', will devote an hour or two to giving it a shot this weekend.

04:06:10 asciilifeform: mod6: ~20 usd

04:07:10 ben_vulpes: now there's an interesting notion

04:07:51 mod6: cool. in this case, im running v0.5.3[base]+patches{1,rm_rf_upnp,2,3,4,6(db_config),unreleased-version-update-patch}

04:08:14 mod6: in my most recent regression tests ( this past week, i've been leaving out the rm_checkpoints patch )

04:08:50 mod6: and so should you. I'll be tabling that, updating the "Patch guide" and pulling the tarball with that patch down from the website as soon as my other vm hits current block.

04:09:07 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6: one patch that probably needs to happen in time for the 'fork war' is manual seed config.

04:09:22 asciilifeform: right now there are, iirc, hardcoded - and possibly phoundation-subvertable - seeds.

04:09:34 asciilifeform: ditto for the irc mechanism (is that still in 0.5.3 ?)

04:09:49 mod6: here's a script that will build everything without the rm_checkpoints patch, with exception to the version number update:

04:09:52 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=U75B7820

04:09:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4zmNZ )

04:10:34 mod6: asciilifeform: irc stuff is still in there.

04:11:32 mod6: basically; patches include so far, your patches, ben's rm UPNP & the bdb config update patches.

04:11:36 mod6: -s

04:13:45 mircea_popescu: 'pogoplug' eh ?

04:14:00 asciilifeform: cheapasdirtoplug

04:15:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: jurov, ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu - if one of you presently has a 0.5.3.x in a vm, try running under hard constraint of 128 or 256m. see when croaks. << it doesn't croak if it has the blockchain prebuilt, that part's for sure.

04:16:32 asciilifeform: https://www.exploitee.rs/index.php/PogoPlug_Mobile << unit in photo is the ~$12 version sans sata

04:16:35 assbot: PogoPlug Mobile - Exploitee.rs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bjh1ay )

04:16:59 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes:dealbook.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/winklevoss-twins-aim << yeah yeah, they've been aiming at the toilet for three years now.

04:17:13 mircea_popescu: still have to unpucker the cock enough for as much as a dribble to come out

04:17:14 mats: hmm...added to my toy wish list

04:17:16 mircea_popescu: damned prostatis

04:20:03 mod6: 110k

04:20:36 mircea_popescu: did it crash yet ?

04:20:54 mod6: nope. grindin' on.

04:21:26 mod6: typically i see my first crash around 180k

04:21:36 mircea_popescu: i think it's more in the 230k ish range that there's some large reorgs

04:21:39 mircea_popescu: or that.

04:21:45 mod6: but, this is 10% of the memory i'm used to runing with

04:21:48 mod6: *running

04:21:52 asciilifeform: mod6: crash or oomkill ?

04:21:56 mod6: so, color me suprised

04:22:00 mod6: oom SIGKILL

04:22:04 asciilifeform: aha.

04:22:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it doesn't actually crash-crash, not really.

04:22:48 mod6: mp: yeah, it definatly hits a slowdown from like 180k->270k

04:22:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mine certainly did not. leaks? yes.

04:22:57 mircea_popescu: right.

04:23:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, mod6 ben_vulpes : asciilifeform has a point, it'd be ideal if this can be wrapped up with a foundation blessed bitcoin core, and one that has the bad seed model snipped out ideally.

04:24:11 mircea_popescu: this is the ender of worlds, as it were.

04:24:31 mod6: so noted.

04:24:32 mircea_popescu: once there's a million dollar worth of them in the wild, "upgrading" bitcoin is this good joke.

04:24:33 asciilifeform: i have a 0.8 node that does crash quarterly or so. bitcoin-msghand[15569]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000blahblah sp 0000blahblahblah error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]

04:24:38 asciilifeform: for a few years now.

04:24:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i really never looked at anything they pushed out after the hearn fork.

04:24:58 asciilifeform: (how long has 8 been around? forgot)

04:25:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trick is to get them out and plugged in, it would appear

04:26:01 mircea_popescu: that won't be mnuch of a problem, once we have a coherent story wrapped up.

04:26:09 mircea_popescu: and mind you that i do NOT mean linux level of coherence.

04:26:12 mircea_popescu: i mean osx level of coherence.

04:26:20 asciilifeform: if seriously contemplating this, it is absolutely essential that 'the sapper not err'

04:26:36 mircea_popescu: error being defined as, "doesn't work"

04:26:43 asciilifeform: or phoundationfuckable

04:26:54 mircea_popescu: im not really worried about that.

04:26:55 asciilifeform: see earlier observation re: irc seeding

04:26:57 mircea_popescu: they're too dumb to count.

04:27:10 asciilifeform: they - sure. what of their master ?

04:27:11 mircea_popescu: just get it to where mrmike can run one.

04:27:23 mircea_popescu: their master is fresh out of stupid school.

04:27:57 asciilifeform: incidentally, if these are also to function as 'wallets'... i haven't any notion of whether, e.g., 'pogo', even has an rng.

04:28:04 mircea_popescu: nah.

04:28:07 mircea_popescu: no wallet at all.

04:28:33 asciilifeform: that's sane. but what luser will plug it in? 'wats in it fer me'

04:28:34 mircea_popescu: this is going to be a mempool "miner".

04:28:43 mircea_popescu: everyone will.

04:28:56 *: asciilifeform assumes mircea_popescu has a plan

04:29:09 mircea_popescu: i have a great plan. and if it doesn't work, that's ok.

04:29:11 mircea_popescu: i have another.

04:29:17 mircea_popescu: to quote marx.

04:29:18 asciilifeform: !b 3

04:29:19 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3P3DJNA.txt )

04:30:53 mircea_popescu: i bought myself all sorts of excellent cheeses today, from this very competent deli

04:31:10 mod6: nice

04:31:24 mircea_popescu: now my house smells like No Personal Higiene High athletic team had been camping out all week

04:31:30 *: asciilifeform spends more on cheese than on bandwidth, electronics, fuel put together

04:32:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the cheese shop sketch ?

04:32:28 asciilifeform: nein

04:33:20 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPN3KTtrnZM

04:33:22 assbot: Monty Python - Cheese Shop - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjiWvz )

04:40:06 decimation: asciilifeform: there was a cheese shop in downtown dc called 'cowgirl creamery' that closed down

04:40:11 decimation: did you ever go there?

04:40:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8386 @ 0.00048049 = 4.0294 BTC [-]

04:46:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2101 @ 0.00087762 = 1.8439 BTC [-] {4}

04:47:49 mircea_popescu: decimation i thought that was a san francisco outfit.

04:50:16 decimation: I think it is, they tried to open a shop in wash dc

04:50:22 decimation: didn't work out well

04:51:48 mircea_popescu: ah

04:52:18 mircea_popescu: the thing is, us folk, and especially midwesterners (which is what washington is, in spite of all pretense) have very VERY bland tastes and a taste for blandness.

04:52:47 mircea_popescu: cheese's not really their thing. what passes for "sharp" cheddar in washington dc is in fact barely more than cream fraiche.

04:53:01 asciilifeform: decimation: yes, it existed. did go once.

04:53:58 asciilifeform: us folk... have very VERY bland tastes and a taste for blandness << yes!

04:54:06 asciilifeform: it is astonishing.

04:54:39 mircea_popescu: "take this food away, it... it... it almost TASTES of something!!1"

04:55:05 mircea_popescu: yet another aspect of neoteny.

05:00:30 scoopbot: Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.

05:00:41 pete_dushenski: haha!

05:00:45 mircea_popescu: lol

05:00:53 mircea_popescu: he's a poopyhead eh scoopbot ?

05:01:11 pete_dushenski: he's a bit of a fucker for sure

05:01:13 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/23/how-the-adage-time-is-money-and-the-existence-of-google-prove-that-facebook-is-worth-less-than-dust/

05:01:14 assbot: How the adage “time is money” and the existence of Google+ prove that Facebook is worth less than dust. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjlIRq )

05:01:33 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/4b96d3bcfb8102699092595d2bb74147/tumblr_nasab4ppMj1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

05:01:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjlM3J )

05:01:38 asciilifeform: lol, seems like 'pogo' was behind that ridiculous tor thing - http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/pogoplug-safeplug-review-anonymous-browsing-instantly

05:01:39 assbot: Pogoplug Safeplug review – anonymous browsing instantly | Linux User & Developer - the Linux and FOSS mag for a GNU generation ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjlJF5 )

05:01:51 pete_dushenski: alrighty then, off the go be fit and whatnot. later assets!

05:02:16 asciilifeform: not enough uptake on their 'cloud storage' sc4m, so they tried another angle.

05:02:34 mod6: 117k

05:02:35 asciilifeform: (the way the device is priced, it is almost certainly a loss-leader)

05:04:23 mircea_popescu: not for long.

05:04:29 asciilifeform: l0l

05:05:00 mircea_popescu: no srsly, the way computiong works, no loss leader stays a loss leader for long.

05:05:11 mircea_popescu: how do you think moore's law even came to be ?

05:05:12 asciilifeform: well yes. eventually - splat.

05:05:48 scoopbot: Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.

05:06:07 asciilifeform: (cost of production drops, sure, but eventually hits barriers that have nothing much to do with semiconductors)

05:06:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the xbox was a loss leader. heck, the 94 playstation was a loss leader

05:06:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: probably among the most famous examples thereof

05:06:46 mircea_popescu: well...

05:11:06 scoopbot: Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.

05:11:31 mircea_popescu: ...

05:16:24 scoopbot: Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.

05:16:28 mod6: haha wat

05:17:36 mircea_popescu: pete revenge-hacked scoopbot

05:20:23 asciilifeform: mod6: a few days ago, I had been looking mapOrphanBlocks as a possible reason that it runs itself out << see my earlier 'valgrind' experiments.

05:20:30 asciilifeform: !s valgrind

05:20:31 assbot: 26 results for 'valgrind' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=valgrind

05:21:27 mod6: i'll have to look back. i spent a bunch of time running gdb & valgrind earlier in the month.

05:21:41 scoopbot: Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.

05:21:47 mod6: i'll hvae to take a look at your results.

05:22:00 asciilifeform: mod6: linked somewhere in there.

05:22:06 mod6: thx ascii

05:26:20 mircea_popescu: mod6 do you know right off what's the logic that deems an orphan chain no longer worth tracking ?

05:26:35 mircea_popescu: "another chain at least 120 blocks longer" or something sane like that ?

05:26:58 scoopbot: Yeah, I don't like pete_dushenski much.

05:27:05 *: mod6 slaps scoopbot

05:27:05 mircea_popescu: !down scoopbot

05:29:33 mod6: I don't have a good answer for that atm.

05:29:39 *: mod6 looks

05:29:54 decimation: re: midwestern blandness < yes, it's a weird phenomenon. try going to an indian restaurant in say, chicago, and have them give you an average level of spice

05:30:35 decimation: and washington dc is definitely a midwestern city - where else are people going to get jobs? ohio?

05:30:39 mircea_popescu: ah, spice is a different story tho. they can eat pretty hot, especially in the se.

05:31:07 mircea_popescu: but! flavour and hotness are different. flavour's a billion different sulphides, alcohols, aromatics etc

05:31:11 mircea_popescu: hotness is half a dozen capseins.

05:31:19 decimation: yeah that's true

05:32:33 mod6: in v0.5.3, afaik, it looks for dups, then (with checkpoints) it checks to see if the block has a timestamp previous to the last checkpoint, then if it can't find a prev block it puts it in a holding area until one is found.

05:33:27 mircea_popescu: checkpoint only ?

05:33:32 mircea_popescu: that's pretty dumb.

05:33:36 mod6: Lastly, it recursively processes any orphan blocks that are depended on it, and deletes them from the map.

05:34:14 mod6: In later versions, they have a cap of 750 blocks max for the orphan map iirc.

05:34:38 asciilifeform: SetBestChain(....)

05:34:46 asciilifeform: main.cpp

05:34:52 asciilifeform: and its call graph.

05:34:57 *: asciilifeform lazy

05:35:59 *: mod6 looks

05:36:09 decimation: re: winklevoss exchange << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2014#786414 << well, I guess that explains what they are going to do

05:36:09 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2014 19:08:21; decimation: the question is: if this isn't a scam, where are they going to trade bitcoin?

05:36:42 asciilifeform: bool CBlock::SetBestChain(CTxDB& txdb, CBlockIndex* pindexNew)

05:38:44 mod6: for those following along: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.cpp#L1227

05:38:46 assbot: bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CkKd28 )

05:53:05 mod6: 122k

05:56:26 asciilifeform: http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf << 'pogo'

05:56:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CkLS84 )

06:02:16 mod6: so if the new block is not the genesis block, and the new blocks prev hash != best chain hash, run Reorganize

06:02:36 mod6: which is worth a look

06:02:59 mod6: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.cpp#L1134

06:03:01 assbot: bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CkMvhV )

06:04:57 asciilifeform: 88f6180 << see esp. pp. 290. unit can be force-fed firmware through uart during boot, whether board manufacturer wants it or not.

06:05:16 asciilifeform: trivial 'jailbreak'.

06:05:56 asciilifeform: not necessary as they are currently offered, but if they're a loss-leader and mircea_popescu buys 10,000 of them...

06:07:12 asciilifeform: pp. 297 has the actual magic string.

06:07:42 asciilifeform: 'If the bootROM detects the 64-bit UART boot pattern (0xBB 0x11 0x22 0x33 0x44 0x55 0x66 0x77) injected by the user, as an indication to start the Xmodem protocol and the UART boot process); it configures the appropriate MPPs to operate as UA0_RXD and UA0_TXD, as in the previous sub-section and starts the Xmodem protocol to load the image from UART to the DDR.'

06:12:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps we have your new pc here.

06:13:38 mod6: @ block 1236XX i'll have to check back in on it in the am.

06:14:01 mod6: ill give another update on it then.

06:16:25 mod6: g'night Gentlemen.

06:56:16 mircea_popescu: <mod6> In later versions, they have a cap of 750 blocks max for the orphan map iirc. << yes, and it's idiotic.

06:56:33 mircea_popescu: a 900 block long orphan that's 5 blocks shorter than the main chai nshould not be discarded.

06:56:48 mircea_popescu: a 2 block orphan that's 122 blocks shorter than the main chain is never going to be main.

06:57:07 mircea_popescu: (never = not anymore, since gavin is no longer in a position to merge hearnidiocy in any significant manner)

06:58:04 mircea_popescu: <mod6> which is worth a look << that, it is.

06:58:25 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/oscar/ << btw this is one hell of a film.

06:58:26 assbot: Oscar pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4RHdU )

07:12:40 mircea_popescu: !up cb_bitcoin

07:17:19 mircea_popescu: !up viic

08:02:44 mircea_popescu: "In the year of '61, we left our native land, 'cause we could not bend our spirits to the tyrant's stern command. So we rallied 'round our Buckner, while our hearts were sad and sore, to offer our blood for freedom as our fathers did before...."

08:02:46 mircea_popescu: check it out...

08:04:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00048563 = 14.3261 BTC [+]

08:16:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00048563 = 7.3816 BTC [+]

08:34:31 davout: https://blog.gemini.com/welcome-to-gemini/

08:34:44 davout: "Once we picked our name, a fun fact emerged."

08:34:51 davout: "We realized we were also twins"

08:37:06 mircea_popescu: ...

08:37:48 mircea_popescu: "retards embarassing themselves" hour ?

08:38:08 mircea_popescu: What exactly do we mean by ?next generation?? We mean a fully regulated, fully compliant, New York-based bitcoin exchange for both individuals and institutions alike.

08:38:14 mircea_popescu: mkay. shove your aml.

08:43:41 mircea_popescu: davout in other news, rewatching oscar i had the pleasure to expose anglophone ear to the delices of "ta maman / ton amant / demander ta main". no differences could be perceived.

08:44:59 davout: hh

08:45:42 mircea_popescu: "it's the same damned thing!"

08:45:46 davout: all the americans i know trying to learn french had a problem with "mon cul", "ma queue", "mon cou"

08:46:10 mircea_popescu: mon cul / mon cou is certainly in the same position :D

08:46:19 davout: my butt, my dick, my neck

08:46:43 davout: they just can't say the sounds, sounds all the same to them

08:46:55 mircea_popescu: i think queue has a sharper k which is actually perceptible

08:47:10 mircea_popescu: maybe you're saying it wrong :D

08:47:24 davout: no i think there's something to this

08:47:31 mircea_popescu: lol

08:48:27 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other end of the spectrum, argentine spanish spekers can not actually distinguish b, p v and f

08:48:33 mircea_popescu: on a conceptual basis, this.

08:49:00 mircea_popescu: fanfare could just as well be panvare

08:49:29 mircea_popescu: i think they work on the basis of about five consonants and that's it

08:50:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00048563 = 8.6199 BTC [+]

08:53:21 davout: the b == v is pretty interesting

08:53:36 davout: makes spanish sound like the php of languages

09:01:23 mircea_popescu: lol i guess it may well be

09:09:06 punkman: b==v confuses me a lot

09:10:17 punkman: s==es is kinda fun, do the argentines do that?

09:11:03 mircea_popescu: uh which one is that ?

09:11:45 punkman: like they can't say spain, stella, etc

09:12:58 mircea_popescu: nah, the dropped e is a french specialty.

09:15:32 punkman: I mean they add a vowel in front of words starting with s

09:16:00 mircea_popescu: salud is salud.

09:16:29 punkman: hmm indeed

09:23:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00048034 = 13.6897 BTC [-]

09:26:10 mircea_popescu: heh, there's actually a us felony charge of "maintaining a dwelling."

09:27:23 punkman: as in stash house?

09:27:45 mircea_popescu: apparently.

09:37:57 mircea_popescu: dude the argentina drama...

09:38:21 davout: what's a 'stash house' ?

09:38:36 mircea_popescu: so now the president is claiming that the evil guys (unspecified) that made the da guy falsely claim she's involved in destrtoying the trial of the iranian terrorists that blew up the jews, also killed him, to make her look even worse!

09:38:39 mircea_popescu: this could be in a book.

09:38:54 mircea_popescu: davout the usians are insane. it is apparently a crime to have a house where there are drugs.

09:39:19 mircea_popescu: except it's a meaningless ofence nobody prosecutes seriously, because it can get the jury to waste time / negotiate a conviction down, and the punishments are minor anyway.

09:40:06 mircea_popescu: ie, you won't get a conviction on it straight ; if you're also prosecuting other indictments it can either blow up, ruin your other counts or at most succeed for no benefit, as it'll get rolled into the other counts.

09:40:31 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the other pole of insanity,

09:40:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-court-convicts-three-over-homophobic-tweets-in-case-hailed-as-a-significant-victory-by-lgbt-rights-campaigners-9996878.html

09:40:34 assbot: French court convicts three over homophobic tweets, in case hailed as a 'significant victory' by LGBT rights campaigners - Europe - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClaVYC )

09:44:17 davout: #twiterristasmustdie yo

09:44:53 davout: i'm so fucking cold

09:45:09 mircea_popescu: actually, no. just, the french civil service must die.

09:45:19 mircea_popescu: preferably, through slow anal bleeding.

09:45:34 davout: dudes changing windows in your living room means your windows remain open for a couple hours while it's freezing outside

09:45:46 davout: french civil service...

09:46:29 mircea_popescu: hm ?

09:46:57 mircea_popescu: holy shit abdullah died.

09:47:20 mircea_popescu: http://rt.com/news/225383-saudi-arabia-king-dead/

09:47:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClbAcw )

09:48:56 davout: french civil service is this kind office where the late-comers greet the early-leavers in the stairwell

09:49:47 mircea_popescu: davout hang the lot.

09:50:18 mircea_popescu: anyway, enough excitement for one night.

09:50:22 davout: that's too sweet a punishment

09:50:41 davout: getting them to find jobs will be much more painful

09:51:12 davout: good night!

10:18:32 davout: it occurs to me it would be really nice to have a way to easily dice-generate an rsa keypair as to not rely on whatever prng

10:18:46 davout: would probably require a ton of rolls for a strong key tho

10:21:59 punkman: davout, http://dicephysics.info/0104.htm

10:22:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGg0iq )

10:22:28 davout: interesting

10:53:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00047913 = 5.269 BTC [-] {2}

11:03:10 punkman: !up muXne

11:12:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00047867 = 15.1738 BTC [-]

11:12:40 muXne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8b4xYbEugo

11:12:41 assbot: Big Data - "Dangerous (feat. Joywave)" [Official Music Video] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9lJet )

11:20:27 fluffypony: lolwut

11:23:12 muXne: you herd me

11:23:34 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps we have your new pc here. << very interesting

12:37:23 punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/01/22/i-paid-25-for-an-invisible-boyfriend-and-i-think-i-might-be-in-love/

12:37:24 assbot: I paid $25 for an Invisible Boyfriend, and I think I might be in love. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYmW4J )

12:40:06 punkman: !up muXne

12:41:01 muXne: i havent read it, but is it lights off?

12:42:28 muXne: oh i see, he doesnt exist

12:43:13 muXne: grndmothers must lov eit

12:44:06 punkman: not like male escorts are hard to find

12:44:48 punkman: but they prefer the invisible ones I guess

12:45:26 punkman: "there's an app for that"

12:45:59 muXne: most girls might pick a 'george; type

12:46:58 muXne: as you say strippers are available

12:48:19 muXne: actuallt hey prolly wanna pretend they have a sucessful bitcoin boyfriend

12:48:41 muXne: is this japan

12:48:42 muXne: ?

12:49:02 punkman: pretty big in asia

12:49:20 punkman: fake boyfriends that is

12:49:37 muXne: no doubt

12:51:35 muXne: hey you're greek and sucessful

12:51:52 muXne: ouch

12:56:21 muXne: like back foor ouch, in the seat

13:00:09 punkman: "Patience, please — ‘legal’ Bitcoin is actually only one year old! That is, even though the Bitcoin source code was posted to the Internet in 2009, it was only clearly legal for American institutions to get involved with it after the IRS tax guidance was published in March 2014"

13:00:24 punkman: http://a16z.com/2015/01/22/bitcoin-and-blockchain/

13:00:25 assbot: Bitcoin (and Blockchain) | Andreessen Horowitz ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYrM1K )

13:00:42 muXne: when was it ever illegal?

13:01:37 punkman: you need the preet license to disrupt things

13:04:51 muXne: is that an indian thing?

13:07:19 punkman: "Apple has agreed to accept the Chinese government’s demands to run network safety evaluations on all Apple products before they can be imported into the country."

13:07:58 punkman: imported? don't they make them?

13:09:41 muXne: well theyll start using the name now jobs is sead

13:10:03 muXne: and done

13:13:35 mats: http://imgur.com/a/d1i6B on the subject of .cn

13:13:36 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYvdp3 )

13:15:44 mats: !up muXne

13:16:33 muXne: china; it's prolly not shopped

13:20:40 mats: im seeing a lot of sinophobia lately

13:21:19 mats: dey took our jerbs n homes, etc

13:21:24 muXne: chinas awesomely cool

13:21:50 muXne: they pretty much invented australia

13:25:45 muXne: well they extracted a hell of a lot of gole when it was too hard for other proplr

13:25:59 mats: ?

13:26:08 muXne: 1840ish

13:26:17 mats: in .au?

13:26:24 muXne: they were trekign around on foot

13:26:27 muXne: yah

13:26:44 mats: they paid for it in metric tons of dead chinese

13:27:06 muXne: well most did okay

13:28:13 muXne: broom has japanese blood like hawaii re:pearls too

13:30:53 muXne: now we make oil and iron and steal gas from png

13:34:08 muXne: possesion is nine tenths of th elaw

13:35:53 mats: they're not using it anyway

13:36:15 mats: indigenous peoples are useless

13:36:18 muXne: noone is

13:36:29 muXne: using it

13:37:50 muXne: byr weve got a pipe going in

13:40:41 muXne: agip it to nowhere

13:42:33 muXne: this us what opec says

13:44:56 muXne: you just gotta pump that shit

13:45:29 muXne: !up felipelalli

13:49:52 punkman: !up muXne

13:49:57 punkman: !up felipelalli1

13:50:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00089993 = 4.4997 BTC [+] {6}

13:50:40 punkman: !up pactr

13:51:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 9972 @ 0.00089996 = 8.9744 BTC [+] {10}

13:56:42 davout: muXne: your sentences are hard to parse

13:58:02 muXne: yes, it's dark, and i can'y see they kb, i imagine most can see the querty

14:03:21 muXne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2UdJhqVsc8 check thi shut, gluffypony massive

14:03:23 assbot: Jack Parow - Afrikaans is Dood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClFKML )

14:04:17 fluffypony: my homeboy

14:04:58 davout: afrikaans is zeker leuk

14:05:22 fluffypony: don't come all up in here with your Dutchness :-P

14:06:02 danielpbarron: i know a little dutch, but i have no idea how to spell it

14:07:48 muXne: i think afrikaan might ne a little diff

14:08:44 davout: no shit

14:09:08 fluffypony: lol

14:09:09 muXne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRzFqW4Xh2k\

14:09:10 assbot: Jack Parow - Cooler as Ekke - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClGNMM )

14:27:46 davout: such landing, very wow

14:27:47 davout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=xdo69ZkakqA#t=315

14:27:49 assbot: Vol découverte Fouga Magister "Myriam" Cervolix 2011 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClKf9W )

14:28:58 davout: i'm totally buying a mig or an f18 in a few years

14:40:28 mod6: holy schnikies, it's still going: 134,865

15:13:02 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

15:13:04 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.01, Best ask: 234.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 234.0, 24 hour volume: 16656.61923710, 24 hour low: 225.55, 24 hour high: 240.0, 24 hour vwap: 232.110882254

15:35:16 davout: so TIL that coindesk belongs to shakil kan, investor in bitpay and kraken, and that bitcoinmagazine now belongs to bitpay (through some entity of which galippi has a stake in)

15:43:03 punkman: davout, no gallipi's entity sold the magazine

15:43:18 davout: punkman: to whom?

15:43:22 punkman: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19079/btc-media-acquires-bitcoin-magazine/

15:43:23 assbot: BTC Media Acquires Bitcoin Magazine – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBp7w2 )

15:44:57 davout: punkman: ok, ty for correcting my mistake!

15:50:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00047867 = 2.6327 BTC [-]

15:50:57 thestringpuller: oh they finally sold it

15:51:01 thestringpuller: haha took them long enough

15:51:17 thestringpuller: now bitpay won't lose so much money

15:53:39 thestringpuller: davout: bitpay was trying to sell bitcoin magazine for some time, it's really unprofitable, most profit was on appreciation in value of the bitcoin they swindled from people paying 5-6 btc per issue back in 2011

15:55:17 fluffypony: nubbins`: there

15:55:19 fluffypony: you can tahnk me later

15:59:25 punkman: wtf was this thing "Coin Publishing LLC is collectively owned by individuals owning or working at BitPay, Butterfly Labs, Google, Casascius, 20 Mission, and Virtual Processing Solutions."

15:59:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1166 @ 0.00089981 = 1.0492 BTC [-] {7}

16:24:34 ben_vulpes: buenos dias mis pirómanos

16:30:11 ben_vulpes: http://40.media.tumblr.com/973de9a76c1d60f52173199e053d9e25/tumblr_ng3qs8sdhy1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg me, i'm more of a city type. << glasses off, eyes down.

16:30:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JhJtx2 )

16:30:52 mircea_popescu: and well shaved.

16:33:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67000 @ 0.000473 = 31.691 BTC [-] {3}

16:35:33 ben_vulpes: whoa nijotz dropped by?

16:36:00 ben_vulpes: nijotz: you know this place is full of women hate and racism right?

16:36:09 ben_vulpes: exploitation, objectification, the whole lot

16:36:13 ben_vulpes: you'll tar your good name in here

16:41:41 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> no wallet at all. << precisely this.

16:41:54 mircea_popescu: who's he ?

16:42:00 mircea_popescu: !up nijotz

16:42:15 nijotz: ah ty

16:42:32 nijotz: was trying to preach about niggercunts

16:42:51 ben_vulpes: oh no voice yet?

16:42:54 mircea_popescu: the who ?

16:43:12 ben_vulpes: !rate nijotz 1 dis guy i know

16:43:12 assbot: nijotz is not registered in WoT.

16:43:15 mircea_popescu: ;;seen petterl

16:43:15 nijotz: >you'll tar your good name

16:43:15 gribble: I have not seen petterl.

16:43:15 ben_vulpes: paha

16:43:19 mircea_popescu: ;;seen peterl

16:43:19 gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 hours, 54 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <PeterL> oh, that was me restarting it again, be back up in a sec

16:43:22 nijotz: It's a good thing I don't have one

16:43:29 ben_vulpes: make a new one

16:43:33 ben_vulpes: keys are cheap

16:49:24 davout: punkman: re bitcoinmagazine, this galippi quote is slightly confusing then: "We’re extremely proud of Bitcoin Magazine’s accomplishments, but know that we’ve only scratched the surface. The opportunity to join forces with BTC Media’s extremely capable and visionary team was the strategic move we needed to fully realize our potential."

16:50:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.10000815 = 3.0002 BTC [+] {7}

16:52:10 mircea_popescu: lmao srsly ? re-re-re starting that dead fish ?

16:53:36 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo now that pair is actually trying to resurect bitcoin magazine again, a blow by blow history of exactly how bitpay & the scam foundation stole that magazine from its owners a coupla years ago would be quite topical. the forum's got a pile of posts, see vladimir's stuff, maybe even interview him.

16:53:36 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:10:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: valdimir?

17:10:23 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: pair was never in charage of btcmagazine iirc it was all tony

17:10:59 mircea_popescu: pair is the bitpay ceo. vladimir is, as far as i know, the owner of btc magazine

17:11:08 mircea_popescu: notwithstanding pretenses to the contrary.

17:11:26 davout: wasn't he the guy that actually started it ?

17:11:56 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/ciuciu-bond/#comment-87616 (mihai alisie being teh turning stone on that bi of theft)

17:11:56 assbot: Ciuciu Bond pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKbn0l )

17:12:00 mircea_popescu: davout yeah.

17:12:11 ben_vulpes: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/22/thunderstruck_spaceplane/ << totally never doable in the states

17:12:13 assbot: Oz father and son team plan suborbital spaceplane • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKbrxc )

17:12:20 mircea_popescu: he started it, then the office gofer ran off with the keys,.

17:12:39 thestringpuller: it was always a scam tho

17:12:49 mircea_popescu: !up saifedean

17:14:22 ben_vulpes: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150122114405.htm << probably just pornography, a la the logs for this place

17:14:23 assbot: Major breakthrough in reading ancient scrolls -- ScienceDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKbRDR )

17:14:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00048532 = 8.3475 BTC [+] {2}

17:15:06 ben_vulpes: also not really a breakthrough until the text's been parsed, but whaddaya want from "science" these days.

17:15:32 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-godfather/ bring in the hate.

17:15:32 assbot: The godfather pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKc7m9 )

17:16:00 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/mercedes-benz/sl-190/1958/276479 << i still don't see why you need that boat when you could have something pretty looking and leggy

17:16:01 assbot: 1958 Mercedes-Benz SL 190 - 190 SL Roadster | Classic Driver Market ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKceOI )

17:16:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:16:51 mircea_popescu: boat better for fucking in.

17:17:06 ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.nijotz.1:2d059de0adbebaa481f0efb6ce77cf7ff0034a39cd7cc5f8051ee8d4f8654833

17:17:07 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for nijotz with note: dis guy i know

17:17:11 ben_vulpes: you and your car fetish

17:17:34 ben_vulpes: gearshift can be a fun toy

17:17:43 TomServo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=364pXTYeFzY

17:17:44 assbot: Tailgating - Lost Highway (Lynch) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKcxJj )

17:17:48 mircea_popescu: it's not a car fetish if you're not fucking the car@

17:18:07 TomServo: (front passenger is named Pete, coincidentally)

17:18:27 ben_vulpes: excuses excuses

17:20:19 mircea_popescu: great TomServo :D

17:20:30 punkman: mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-godfather/ bring in the hate. << lol "Deux Ex Fucking Puzzina"

17:20:30 assbot: The godfather pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKdhhD )

17:20:43 punkman: I watched it recently, didn't care for it

17:21:01 mircea_popescu: it's incredible what people end up having their careers built on.

17:21:16 mircea_popescu: without that, neither al nor francis'd hjave been heard of, perhaps. and yet...

17:21:21 punkman: made me realize how retarded IMDB ratings are actually

17:21:32 mircea_popescu: what's this, 10 ?

17:21:33 mircea_popescu: 11 ?

17:21:42 punkman: I think it was #1

17:22:04 mircea_popescu: i meant 11/10

17:22:46 punkman: it's #2 apparently http://www.imdb.com/chart/top

17:22:48 assbot: IMDb Top 250 - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKdEIZ )

17:22:52 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/a824b2aafc26b50a920698a8bbca2baf/tumblr_n5wzqmn3sl1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

17:22:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKdHVk )

17:37:28 mircea_popescu: punkman: fake boyfriends that is << the trouble with an actual boyfriend is that he just might make you a woman

17:37:38 mircea_popescu: and girls generally dun wanna be women anymore than boys actually wanna be men.

17:38:26 mircea_popescu: assbot: Bitcoin (and Blockchain) | Andreessen Horowitz ... << lmao horowitz ALSO wishes to be first best biggest ?

17:38:32 mircea_popescu: these idiots just won't read, will they.

17:39:40 mircea_popescu: "why should i figure out how actual history flowed when i can just make up an imaginary history for myself! not like the same exact processes are going to repeat themselves or anything.... I CAN DO WHAT I WANT! The world outside my head doesn't really exist! "

17:40:39 mircea_popescu: "so what if mp said in 2012 that we have a littlew time left and in 2013 that our time ran out. WE ARE STARTING THE COUNT IN 2014! So there!"

17:43:31 mircea_popescu: davout: so TIL that coindesk belongs to shakil kan, investor in bitpay and kraken, and that bitcoinmagazine now belongs to bitpay (through some entity of which galippi has a stake in) << lawl.

17:43:46 mircea_popescu: yes, they been working butt off to buy relevancy in the space. modest results.

17:45:36 punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129722.msg1387040#msg1387040

17:45:36 assbot: What to expect from Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKiHcq )

17:45:48 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> punkman: fake boyfriends that is << the trouble with an actual boyfriend is that he just might make you a woman << just what distinguishes women from girls?

17:46:21 punkman: "He also started to charge BitTalk Media at a rate of 80 GBP per hour for the time required to respond to messages and emails that asked for clarifications and actions regarding these company assets.  Even more, he was paying himself for the time that was required to pay himself. All these actions lead towards considering him as a rogue/hostile shareholder."

17:46:43 mircea_popescu: punkman actual term of law, "rogue/hostile shareholder" dontchaknow.

17:47:19 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you know what's the difference between a useful employee and a dweeb with no understanding of anything that's going to "totally revolutionize the way you do business" ?

17:47:42 ben_vulpes: myeah i can smell that.

17:47:50 ben_vulpes: hm.

17:48:22 mircea_popescu: okay. it's a similar thing for women. a girl "thinks she migh have been raped". a woman is slightly bemused at your apparent expectation that taking her clothes off puts HER at a disadvantage.

17:48:24 punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman actual term of law, "rogue/hostile shareholder" dontchaknow. < it is?

17:48:34 mircea_popescu: punkman no, i'm mocking the dweebs

17:52:05 mircea_popescu: the entire nonsense shows a ridoinculous unfamiliarity with what isbeingdiscussed and what the forms involved are.

17:52:19 mircea_popescu: like fifteen year old "businessmen" in the ghetto.

17:52:55 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> okay. it's a similar thing for women. a girl "thinks she migh have been raped". a woman is slightly bemused at your apparent expectation that taking her clothes off puts HER at a disadvantage. << huh.

17:53:26 mircea_popescu: punkman: wtf was this thing "Coin Publishing LLC is collectively owned by individuals owning or working at BitPay, Butterfly Labs, Google, Casascius, 20 Mission, and Virtual Processing Solutions." << this thing was the cartel.

17:53:38 mircea_popescu: back when we arrayed forces, in 2012, there were a lot more of them.

17:53:45 mircea_popescu: not so many left, and i'm not done.

18:00:53 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/5eafaf664d466204daee061a4709b739/tumblr_nguive3jof1st57i5o1_1280.jpg

18:00:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMYggg )

18:07:54 jurov: http://fortune.com/2015/01/22/the-age-of-unicorns/

18:07:55 assbot: The Age of Unicorns - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMZ8kR )

18:08:09 jurov: "the startup world, a valuation of $1 billion says that you’re no longer a fly-by-night startup with plans to quickly sell out to Google."

18:12:35 mircea_popescu: heh

18:24:12 ben_vulpes: quick poll: stehpinklers or sitzpinklers?

18:29:47 ben_vulpes: Kushed: you're flapping.

18:30:29 ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/cointhink/status/558670481088184322

18:30:30 assbot: /cryptsy DRK/XRP market shows the top bid higher than the top ask. How/why is that happening? http://t.co/xdXnoFMF7v

18:31:43 fluffypony: lol

18:44:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00049077 = 21.692 BTC [+] {2}

18:48:19 mats: http://www.dailyfx.com/forex/technical/home/analysis/eur-usd/2015/01/23/dailyclassics_eur-usd.html

18:48:22 assbot: EUR/USD Technical Analysis: Passing on Short for Now | DailyFX

19:00:48 mats: idk why i keep reading HN comments about BTC related things

19:01:03 mats: i am massively disappointed every time

19:03:13 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: your cloak doesn't work.

19:04:15 mats: too late, drone is en route

19:04:51 mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8933581

19:04:52 assbot: Warren Buffett said Bitcoins are a mirage and I agree. They are worthless hashe... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GISCkv )

19:05:22 asciilifeform: trololol

19:05:37 mats: "cash is a mirage and i agree. they are worthless cotton"

19:06:04 mats: b-brilliant.

19:20:13 mod6: it died finally.

19:29:12 mats: block?

19:29:36 mats: *block number?

19:30:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00047122 = 15.2675 BTC [-]

19:34:00 mod6: it easily lasted 12-14 hours. made it up to height=136572

19:34:28 mod6: im not going to continue this sync, unless requested. i think that's a decent demonstration

19:34:34 mod6: with 128mb ram

19:50:01 mats: http://www.csoonline.com/article/2874230/cybercrime-hacking/thousands-of-us-gas-stations-exposed-to-internet-attacks.html

19:50:02 assbot: Thousands of U.S. gas stations exposed to Internet attacks | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1t7Npwe )

19:58:32 TomServo: Not sure why an ATG would have it's own internet facing connection, rather than ride on the gas stations' network.

20:00:44 mats: http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/2te5h8/the_internet_of_gas_station_tank_gauges_thousands/cnybzgs

20:00:46 assbot: gsuberland comments on The Internet of Gas Station Tank Gauges - thousands of tank gauges on open Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1JuCNd5 )

20:02:13 mats: >found a couple of air purifiers on Shodan ... Turns out they were biochem air purifiers that provided negative pressure in a BSL3 lab ... Turning them off or reversing their direction ... was possible, according to a manual I found

20:04:14 mats: http://www.aphl.org/aphlprograms/preparedness-and-response/Smallpox/pdf/the-1-2-3s-of-biosafety-levels.pdf >> "BSL-3 is suitable for work with infectious agents which may cause serious or potentially lethal diseases as a result of exposure by the inhalation route... Examples of agents that should be manipulated at BSL-3 are M. tuberculosis St. Louis

20:04:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1t7RjVX )

20:04:16 mats: encephalitis virus, and Coxiella burnetii"

20:04:32 mats: brilliant.

20:33:31 danielpbarron: I picked up some funny negative ratings in the tardstalk WoT over the woodcollector scam

20:33:44 danielpbarron: So obvious he is a sock puppet. i would highly advise against not only doing business with this account, but engaging in any kind of conversation with this weirdo.

20:33:50 danielpbarron: Another sock puppet possible purchased account of Nubbins / Paul Revere. Also a ranting and raving Jesus humping Bible thumping verifiable crazy person it appears. Stay clear of this one for sure.

20:34:46 asciilifeform: sc4mz0rz in 'tilt mode' are so very entertaining.

20:56:12 TomServo: https://twitter.com/a_greenberg/status/558715505721507840

20:56:13 assbot: This, no joke, is the coffee shop where a bunch of reporters have been hanging out during Ross Ulbricht's trial http://t.co/OouCKFg3kP

20:56:37 TomServo: It's called "Silkroad Place", HA!

21:05:27 asciilifeform: mats: net-connected air filters, etc. << the 'hammurabic' punishment for having built such a thing ought to be, perhaps, to be placed in a net-connected electric chair for a few days. can be turned on by, e.g., an snmp packet.

21:08:29 davout: ping inmate-01.correction-facility.gov

21:08:39 asciilifeform: kbzzzzz.

21:09:51 kakobrekla: now it doesnt resolve anymore

21:10:10 davout: m

21:10:17 davout: you used too painful command line options

21:13:30 davout: til the meninist movement is a thing

21:16:00 davout: !up cazalla

21:16:11 cazalla: ty, no scoopbot around so http://qntra.net/2015/01/amid-domain-name-hijacking-coinfires-alleged-sec-source-is-revealed/

21:16:11 assbot: Amid Domain Name Hijacking, CoinFire's Alleged SEC Source Is Revealed | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yDYE0d )

21:17:25 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform net-connected electric chair for << haha!

21:18:12 pete_dushenski: davout meninist = menonite feminists ?

21:18:28 davout: what's menonite?

21:19:09 pete_dushenski: it's a anti-tech christian

21:19:22 pete_dushenski: small rural clans, farmers mostly

21:19:37 davout: today i keep learning

21:19:39 mats: the claim re: SEC source seems dubious on its face

21:19:44 pete_dushenski: a new group splits off as soon as population >150

21:20:05 kakobrekla: i thought menonite is amish

21:20:14 kakobrekla: or relative to.

21:20:24 pete_dushenski: pretty much

21:20:37 pete_dushenski: oh, it's two n's --> mennonite

21:20:43 pete_dushenski: well, 3 total

21:21:23 TomServo: So what's a meninist then?

21:21:35 cazalla: mats, well, i included alleged but if the attacker managed to take their domain and twitter account from them, it wouldn't surprise me if sec source name is true, i'm not claiming that anyway, just reporting on what was said

21:21:51 davout: i understand as the same thing as a feminist but for men

21:21:59 davout: *understand it

21:22:07 TomServo: oh

21:22:22 mats: cazalla: ic

21:25:15 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes i'm not really a convertible guy. if i was going to one-up myself, i'd go for the bulletproof 560 sel http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/mercedes-benz/560/used-mercedes-benz-560-marylebone-fpa-201310129249992

21:25:16 assbot: MERCEDES-BENZ 560 Saloon for sale in Marylebone | Auto Trader ... ( http://bit.ly/1yE0WMR )

21:25:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:25:57 asciilifeform: 'Currently, an individual's cyber behavior is not checked during the security clearance investigative and adjudicative process because legal and privacy limits have not been clearly defined... ... Because the Army's demographic includes many young Soldiers, security clearance investigations often cover a shorter period of time... ... While this poses some risks, the overwhelming majority of these Soldiers have proven that they

21:25:58 asciilifeform: are not a security risk.' << mega-lol << http://cryptome.org/2015/01/Manning-Wikileaks-AR-15-6-ROI.pdf (pp. 31)

21:26:03 pete_dushenski: i mean, who doesn't want 3" thick windows on their car?

21:26:17 mats: shipping container on wheels

21:26:27 pete_dushenski: precious cargo

21:26:36 davout: lol

21:26:58 asciilifeform: the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places.

21:27:27 davout: asciilifeform: you meant the bestestest

21:27:29 ben_vulpes: man you are *lazy*

21:27:47 ben_vulpes: allergic to the outdoors or something?

21:27:50 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that lack of cloak ealier would explain why my internet went down 3! times this morning, oh so conveniently every time i tried to log on.

21:27:53 asciilifeform: love the outdoors.

21:27:59 asciilifeform: how much outdoors does one get inside car.

21:28:09 ben_vulpes: one must get to the place one wants to be, though.

21:28:17 asciilifeform: not if you live there?

21:28:32 TomServo: pete_dushenski: is your client auto-joining #b-a?

21:28:37 pete_dushenski: you can't live everywhere you want to be...

21:28:53 pete_dushenski: TomServo yes.

21:28:58 davout: i love the outdoors, as long as it stays outdoors

21:29:03 asciilifeform: some folks do live where they want to be.

21:29:09 asciilifeform: iirc, mircea_popescu doesn't drive.

21:29:25 davout: he cheats, he gets driven around

21:29:26 pete_dushenski: mp still takes taxis

21:29:30 pete_dushenski: right

21:29:32 TomServo: pete_dushenski: Likely the cause of the failed cloak.. it doesn't activate until you've authed with services.

21:29:56 pete_dushenski: TomServo aha well that'd do it.

21:30:29 asciilifeform: and now we know that ddosbot is still here.

21:30:31 pete_dushenski: i was trying a client called scam or something... ah snak, that was it

21:31:00 pete_dushenski: great layout and big fonts but it doesn't store the nickserv info

21:31:06 davout: asciilifeform: my connection pretty much *always* gets beaten to a pulp when i touch #b-a uncloaked

21:31:30 pete_dushenski: ddosbot is as fiery as ever.

21:32:17 davout: it's actually pretty lame that people *must* be cloaked to come here, even for the first time

21:32:26 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform and living where you want to live =! not needed to drive de temps a temps

21:32:44 pete_dushenski: needing*

21:32:58 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i admit that i'd still keep a car even if did not need to drive to work sites

21:32:58 pete_dushenski: davout yet another barrier to entry

21:33:07 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: but can't say i'd use it particularly often then

21:34:11 pete_dushenski: this is north america after all. not having a car is like not having a temperature controlled home

21:34:20 davout: pete_dushenski: some interesting people we'd like to have around could very well not be so technically proficient

21:34:56 pete_dushenski: i completely agree

21:35:00 pete_dushenski: herr taleb, for one.

21:35:13 davout: exactly him i was talking about

21:35:15 pete_dushenski: but what we'd like and what is do not meet here

21:35:42 davout: if it keeps taleb out and lets taaki in it's probably the wrong kind of barrier to entry :D

21:35:47 pete_dushenski: this brings up the old idea of hiring someone to hand the man a logged in laptop

21:36:04 asciilifeform: if he wanted in, he'd be here.

21:37:13 pete_dushenski: maybe the next time taleb and saifedean cross paths ?

21:39:23 thestringpuller: asciilifeform wants this: http://www.playfulleeds.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/tube.jpg

21:39:49 TomServo: I'd probably take steps to avoid this place if my first taste was the sexyginger video.

21:39:53 *: TomServo shudders.

21:40:18 thestringpuller: TomServo: sexyginger video?

21:40:21 mats: humorless, you are

21:40:22 asciilifeform: TomServo: my working hypothesis is that, for a figure like taleb, the whole net smells a little too much of taaki and sexyginger et al

21:40:34 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller did you see the "same damn time" video in my last article ? i thought you might get a kick out of it

21:40:45 TomServo: thestringpuller: joking, sexysaffron

21:40:53 pete_dushenski: TomServo lol you're assuming he even saw it

21:41:14 TomServo: pete_dushenski: no, simply stating what my reaction would be

21:41:51 pete_dushenski: well it's not like this place is hard to avoid

21:42:02 pete_dushenski: even those "in bitcoin" seem pretty adept at this task

21:42:49 TomServo: asciilifeform: I'd say you're likely to be correct on that.

21:42:50 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform taleb also seems to genuinely enjoy facebook and twitter

21:43:39 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: does he actually do two-way traffic in those, or does he simply have a perl script to broadcast his utterances every which way.

21:44:23 TomServo: I seem to recall him in at least 1 twitter argument.

21:45:07 pete_dushenski: he's constantly in twitter arguments

21:45:11 pete_dushenski: mostly gmo these days

21:45:46 pete_dushenski: skewering journalists and pseudoscientists who don't understand what a fat tail is

21:46:59 ben_vulpes: ;;tslb

21:47:04 gribble: Time since last block: 37 minutes and 4 seconds

21:49:41 mats: ;;bc,stats

21:49:46 gribble: Current Blocks: 340222 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 481 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 21 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42039814636.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.39339

21:49:55 pete_dushenski: Nassim Nicholas Taleb: December 29, 2014 at 7:45pm: "With the information age the world looks uglier, dirtier, more corrupt, scheming, mostly because the malicious was hidden from us before."

21:50:13 pete_dushenski: ^this explains why he sticks to the "cleanliness" of sm

21:50:31 pete_dushenski: who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men!

21:51:59 mats: that last part doesn't look well written

22:06:36 xanthyos: sunlight is the best disinfectant

22:06:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2313 @ 0.00092784 = 2.1461 BTC [+] {10}

22:07:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3694 @ 0.00092986 = 3.4349 BTC [+] {8}

22:09:40 jurov: <davout> it occurs to me it would be really nice to have a way to easily dice-generate an rsa keypair << needs just some 1585 dice throws to get two 2048bit seeds (from them prime search is sequential)

22:09:41 fluffypony: I found old Karpeles wisdom

22:09:42 fluffypony: http://php.net/manual/en/function.fputcsv.php#72428

22:09:44 assbot: PHP: fputcsv - Manual ... ( http://bit.ly/15E9jNr )

22:10:03 davout: jurov: à coeur vaillant, rien d'impossible

22:10:24 jurov: why? once per second, in half hour you're done

22:10:54 davout: ;;dice 20d20

22:10:54 gribble: 8, 7, 14, 7, 11, 9, 1, 11, 11, 1, 1, 14, 5, 2, 13, 5, 19, 9, 13, and 18

22:11:49 jurov: not much of a bravery

22:12:31 davout: wai, you didn't hear of the actual dice-launching leprechauns powering gribble?

22:13:52 jurov: mircea has actual trained woman not some pesky creatures. throw, mash key 1-6, repeat all day

22:13:57 jurov: *women

22:14:57 jurov: no wonder gribble isn't working every now and then

22:15:22 jurov: kakobrekla: and what does assbot use?

22:16:08 jurov: pulls the numbers out of its ass, i suppose

22:17:12 pete_dushenski: it's not called trainedwomenthrowingdicebot

22:18:28 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov: anybody ever try bitcoind (any ver.) on 'minix' ?

22:18:30 pete_dushenski: "The stock—which trades under the symbol BOX—opened at $20.20 on the New York Stock Exchange, rose as high as $24.73 and closed at $23.23, up 66% from its initial public offering price of $14."

22:19:49 jurov: i had a thought about djgpp but minix? never

22:20:03 thestringpuller: roll d20 to see if you don't get molested at catholic school. hit 15 to evade

22:20:15 thestringpuller: ;;dice 1d20

22:20:15 gribble: 7

22:20:21 thestringpuller: OH NO

22:21:27 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu: incidentally, the 'pogo' i bought just showed up. will test 0.5.3 there.

22:25:41 kakobrekla: jurov for otp? sha256 of a paragraph i made up from non-dict words plus some pseudo random bs that changes each run

22:25:54 kakobrekla: i dont have a better idea atm

22:29:06 kakobrekla: it does contain a lot of irony though if that helps

22:32:30 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/bxmXGaw7 << basics work.

22:32:32 assbot: root on $18 arm box - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvlOYm )

22:48:21 danielpbarron: !up Bagels7

22:51:32 jurov: http://qntra.net/2015/01/winkelvii-intend-new-york-based-exchanged/ exchanged === exchange?

22:51:32 assbot: Winkelvii Intend New York Based Exchanged | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvqOw6 )

22:52:52 jurov: and isn't winklevii?

22:53:28 ben_vulpes: minix, eh?

22:55:11 ben_vulpes: not i.

22:57:43 xanthyos: !up Bagels7

23:01:07 ben_vulpes: nOgAnOo: you're cloaking tardily.

23:06:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o hey nice

23:06:45 mircea_popescu: !up rdymac

23:07:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a 128mB eeprom. about to write freebsd there.

23:07:24 mircea_popescu: how hard would it be to replace ?

23:07:38 rdymac: Yep?

23:07:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why replace it? the thing has three usb3, one sd, and one sata jack.

23:07:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can likewise boot from these.

23:07:56 mircea_popescu: oh!

23:08:01 mircea_popescu: 25 bux ? srsly ?

23:08:03 asciilifeform: 18.

23:08:06 mircea_popescu: rdymac nothin in particular.

23:08:07 asciilifeform: not incl. mail.

23:08:16 asciilifeform: (i had it overnighted, because i could.)

23:08:33 mircea_popescu: nubbins` say, would you wish to act as distribution agent for the serenissima full node box ?

23:09:05 rdymac: :) I though you were talking about Venezuela again :)

23:09:23 asciilifeform: there is, for the record, an identical (but for lack of sata and one of the usb jacks) device which retails for 12 usd.

23:09:40 mircea_popescu: sata is worth the 6 bux tho

23:09:48 *: asciilifeform also thought this.

23:10:19 mircea_popescu: rdymac haha nope. but i did note the evo morales cartoon character proposes a seafaring bolivia of the future.

23:12:19 rdymac: All oficialismo crooks smoke the same shit

23:12:26 mircea_popescu: quite.

23:12:45 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/bcdaf3fcde4781c4a6e026380ab45f69/tumblr_ngv8svBo8j1t66g5ro1_1280.jpg << part one of the bitcoin-assets guide to perfect waitressing. today, the smile.

23:12:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jvxgmz )

23:13:48 Bagels7: WOAH

23:14:08 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/350770b31859e4fb5e909aae8de287f6/tumblr_n8aq8sg4QS1tgs8v6o4_500.jpg < tomorrow we do the leg action.

23:14:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvxKcr )

23:17:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the logical way to set these up, i think, is to boot from attached disk if one is found; otherwise from internal eeprom, which ought to contain an automatic 'everything-installer' (of our distribution.)

23:17:39 rdymac: mircea_popescu: dude! I'm in a fucking public place xD

23:17:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that way, user can swap the disk at his pleasure

23:17:47 mircea_popescu: rdekley so are they.

23:18:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was thinking, supply unit + sada preimaged.

23:18:08 mircea_popescu: sata*

23:18:12 davout: mircea_popescu: a publick fucking place

23:18:21 asciilifeform: everyone already owns a bag of sata disks.

23:18:28 mircea_popescu: public place fucking!

23:18:31 asciilifeform: or large sd, or usb stick

23:18:33 asciilifeform: (all options)

23:18:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah you're right.

23:19:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you get it off amazon or actual supplier ?

23:19:09 *: asciilifeform is still waiting to hear the story of why anyone, other than us, would wish to buy one of these and plug it in

23:19:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: amazon

23:19:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are a few sources for these. my understanding is that they are still in production.

23:20:13 mircea_popescu: yeah in point of fact, we don't need to clunk up distribution

23:20:27 mircea_popescu: rdymac http://36.media.tumblr.com/0a938c036c3bac7d8f7a93b0859186af/tumblr_n8aq8sg4QS1tgs8v6o9_500.jpg there just for you.

23:20:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jvzq5U )

23:22:44 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: Another sock puppet possible purchased account of Nubbins / Paul Revere. << i lolled

23:22:56 mircea_popescu: im so totally going to call nubsy peter minuit from now on.

23:24:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mats: net-connected air filters, etc. << the 'hammurabic' punishment << http://www.fuckingmachines.com/site/shoots.jsp

23:24:17 assbot: Sex Machines, Squirting and Extreme Orgasms - Updates ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvAyGo )

23:24:33 mircea_popescu: im kind-of amazed there's not this thing already, girl tied to chair, insert coin to make the rabbit hop.

23:25:41 mircea_popescu: "Yes, the rumors are true. Our domain was stolen. Our registrar says we likely can't get it back." lmao

23:25:48 mircea_popescu: so how is it OUR registrar then

23:26:56 jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/source/ is now public

23:26:57 assbot: HEAD/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvBjzk )

23:27:10 jurov: just a preview with 0.5.3 upstream, will be adding more versions

23:27:46 mircea_popescu: Update 2 ? Mike from CoinFire has posted a response in which he denies that his source has been identified << that derp is so un-credible by now...

23:27:58 mircea_popescu: jurov cool!

23:28:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00047132 = 4.0298 BTC [+]

23:29:21 mircea_popescu: mats: shipping container on wheels << he has a point you know. armored cars are meh. better off just go shoot whoever is going to be shooting you and be done wit hit.

23:29:39 jurov: with a drone

23:30:21 mats: a ya. anyway whats bulletproof glass gonna do when i set a charge under a manhole cover?

23:30:34 mircea_popescu: keep the brains inside the car.

23:30:48 mats: kek.

23:31:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places. << i still go places, even tho i dun have to.

23:32:23 kakobrekla: but you are weird.

23:32:42 mircea_popescu: davout: it's actually pretty lame that people *must* be cloaked to come here, even for the first time << why ?

23:32:51 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla im not weird, i'm just differently normal.

23:32:54 mircea_popescu: don't opress me.

23:33:53 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: this is north america after all. not having a car is like not having a temperature controlled home << i didn;t know fish liked to drive up north.

23:34:04 danielpbarron: http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/blockhains-first-citizen-328

23:34:05 assbot: A New Form of ID Allows You to Be a Citizen of the World | VICE | United Kingdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvDqDp )

23:34:10 mircea_popescu: derp.

23:34:23 mircea_popescu: dude vice is almost as idiotic as twitter.

23:34:56 mircea_popescu: davout: pete_dushenski: some interesting people we'd like to have around could very well not be so technically proficient << sluts belong in the bedroom not in the public forum.

23:35:06 mircea_popescu: that's the only sort of technically inept interesting people that can be.

23:35:30 ben_vulpes: blech

23:35:34 ben_vulpes: that's pretty bad

23:36:36 mircea_popescu: i'm sure that upon invention of speech there were some pretty hott neanderthals that nevertheless couldn't make the cut.

23:36:47 mircea_popescu: and upon invention of writing there were tons of cool people that never caught the boat.

23:36:58 mircea_popescu: and so it goes. gotta keep with the times.

23:37:59 mircea_popescu: davout: if it keeps taleb out and lets taaki << doesn't seem to be doing that tho.

23:38:45 mircea_popescu: TomServo: I'd probably take steps to avoid this place if my first taste was the sexyginger video. << would you ? what wouldhave the contrary effect ?

23:39:03 kakobrekla: wait, there is a video?

23:39:10 davout: there is a video?

23:39:14 danielpbarron: Bitnation "white paper" hosted here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZiIZ-rmI79HPNbfJ1AXwcgoe8TKMoUMatDf7YfO5LZw/edit and de-derpified here: http://danielpbarron.com/BITNATIONWhitepaper.txt

23:39:15 assbot: BITNATION Whitepaper - Google Documenten ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvEMOo )

23:39:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvEKWQ )

23:39:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla davout yes ? where've you been ?

23:40:59 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron seems a completely spurious attempt by people who have failed to read http://fraudsters.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/

23:40:59 assbot: Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvF73z )

23:41:10 mircea_popescu: one does not become bitcoin-assets by defecating in google docs.

23:41:41 mircea_popescu: but adding Susanne Tarkowski Tempelhof to the list of blacklisted idiots is a useful result of the effort, i guess.

23:44:13 mircea_popescu: jurov: why? once per second, in half hour you're done << you can throw six at a time, be done in five minutes

23:44:32 mod6: asciilifeform: regarding 'pogo': Cool!

23:44:35 jurov: if you can key them in at once

23:45:46 jurov: um...theoretically possible to key in ten dice at once, one per finger

23:46:19 mircea_popescu: jurov two girl job but yes.

23:46:39 TomServo: mircea_popescu: what would have the contrary effect? << samples of many of the insightful conversation I've witnessed here over the years. Would do it for me at least.

23:46:52 jurov: one can throw dice using a foot mechanism, hands stay on keyboard

23:47:02 jurov: :D

23:47:09 mircea_popescu: TomServo conversation is meaningless outside context. how do you supply context ?

23:47:22 mircea_popescu: jurov or shoot dicelasers out of cunt ?

23:47:42 TomServo: mircea_popescu: link to logs? :)

23:48:02 kakobrekla: context is text made to con you.

23:48:09 mircea_popescu: jurov but realy, the correct way to do it is, make a 40x40 grid in a wooden box that's the size of the dice, buy 1600 dice, shake until they settle then photograph and read the thing.

23:48:12 mircea_popescu: takes 5 seconds.

23:48:20 mircea_popescu: lol kako

23:48:34 mircea_popescu: TomServo afaik that was tried multiple times.

23:49:17 jurov: nubbins`: suggest the woodscammer to make above dice contraptions?

23:49:40 mircea_popescu: it's really not hard to do. works best with good quality glass or ebonite dice best.

23:50:15 nubbins`: my cat is a carpet when she is on the way to the vet

23:50:53 jurov: she is? or you're on the way with her?

23:51:27 nubbins`: pet in car = carpet

23:51:34 nubbins`: ;/

23:52:04 nubbins`: http://www.thespinningimage.co.uk/cultfilms/images/7807.jpg

23:52:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvHMdI )

23:52:09 nubbins`: ^ shag carpet

23:52:11 mircea_popescu: jurov: and isn't winklevii? << yeah it is, bingoboingo

23:52:22 jurov: yea. but you wrote as if the vet is the cat's initiative

23:53:04 nubbins`: o o o

23:53:07 nubbins`: i see

23:53:11 jurov: or is my engrish failing me?

23:53:12 nubbins`: and this is my first language ;/

23:53:21 jurov: :D

23:53:27 nubbins`: "my drink is on its way to me"

23:53:37 *: nubbins` places open mouth at bottom of slope

23:53:44 mircea_popescu: canadians have a first language ?!

23:54:18 jurov: yes, whatever the First Nations speak

23:54:43 danielpbarron: http://i.imgur.com/95DYiDj.png

23:54:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BT6J3v )

23:55:37 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/8a72238116a64fe92e97e9d056d689ae/tumblr_nfyb6eNSIj1sg5ymbo1_1280.jpg

23:55:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BT6RQx )

23:55:46 mircea_popescu: i win.

23:56:08 mircea_popescu: wait, CROWD SALE ? it's not only stupid, it's also a scam ?

23:56:13 mircea_popescu: shocked, i am.

23:58:05 ben_vulpes: http://www.nature.com/news/ageing-research-blood-to-blood-1.16762 << okay now this is some cool science

23:58:07 assbot: Ageing research: Blood to blood : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1BT7rxK )

23:58:49 ben_vulpes: “If two rats are not adjusted to each other, one will chew the head of the other until it is destroyed,” << yesssss