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Transcript for 23-02-2015, 1725 lines:

00:00:29 pete_dushenski: go bitcoin!

00:01:07 pete_dushenski: though 'ath' parses quite a bit like defunct 'atc' but that's probably just me

00:03:26 ben_vulpes: or atf

00:06:42 cazalla: i unno, i figured it was obvious

00:06:59 cazalla: at least in the context of qntra and having used all time high and ath a few times before in qntra articles

00:07:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9281 @ 0.00040818 = 3.7883 BTC [+]

00:07:56 cazalla: pete_dushenski, don't you know that variety speak? :P

00:08:33 pete_dushenski: lol still learning apparently

00:08:53 pete_dushenski: which reminds me that i've been meaning to do a variety speak guide for noobs...

00:09:22 pete_dushenski: it's just... there's so many goddam words and phrases

00:09:32 pete_dushenski: it'd be a textbook

00:11:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14125 @ 0.00040437 = 5.7117 BTC [-]

00:24:10 cazalla: mebe ath is more a gamer thing, for example, muh dps hit an ath

00:25:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00040818 = 3.8573 BTC [+]

00:27:33 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/22/in-defense-of-wealthy-politicians/

00:27:35 assbot: In defense of wealthy politicians. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/17oH0mz )

00:28:09 pete_dushenski: that they need any defense at all should be a red flag to society

00:30:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00040818 = 6.0411 BTC [+]

00:34:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4034 @ 0.00040437 = 1.6312 BTC [-]

00:47:05 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

00:47:10 gribble: Current Blocks: 344740 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 2011 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 5 hours, 31 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44645581059.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.36719

00:47:56 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/rally/

00:47:57 assbot: Rally 'round the white flag ... ( http://bit.ly/1AkwsQP )

00:51:48 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

00:52:07 indiancandy1: does anyone kno anything about

00:52:13 indiancandy1: bots that increase hits on utube

00:53:05 BingoBoingo: I don't know much more than they apparently exist

00:57:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00040818 = 20.4906 BTC [+]

01:00:28 cazalla: indiancandy1, can probably be had for cheap on fiverr

01:01:34 cazalla: you'll also be needing a time machine to go back to 2008 for when youtube ranked videos solely on views alone

01:06:58 BingoBoingo: !up aegis

01:09:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00040818 = 2.7756 BTC [+]

01:13:34 BingoBoingo: !up starzz_

01:13:51 starzz_: thank you

01:15:45 starzz_: if I have been everified in bitcoin-otc does that translate to bitcoin assets

01:16:26 BingoBoingo: starzz_: It does with gribble, but for voice here you need to send assbot !up

01:16:57 BingoBoingo: starzz_: Also you probably want to go to #freenode and request a cloak, some asshole intermittently runs a DoS bot here

01:25:27 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

01:25:40 indiancandy1: im not doinit for utube ranking

01:25:43 indiancandy1: im doing it 4

01:25:45 indiancandy1: media

01:25:46 indiancandy1: ahaha

01:25:50 indiancandy1: i wanna do a twerk video

01:25:54 indiancandy1: then di news around it

01:25:59 indiancandy1: 3mill hit in 3days

01:26:01 indiancandy1: etc

01:26:49 ben_vulpes: do it in the nude, only way to get that kind of traffic.

01:26:59 indiancandy1: it wont go on thew news

01:27:02 indiancandy1: media wont pick it up

01:27:04 indiancandy1: if its nude

01:27:04 ben_vulpes: you're competing with kim kardashian, after all.

01:27:13 ben_vulpes: tell that to kim.

01:28:29 indiancandy1: kim

01:28:33 indiancandy1: has media on payroll

01:28:34 indiancandy1: i dont

01:28:49 BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: You know how she got them on payroll...

01:29:19 indiancandy1: but kim initially had money

01:29:21 indiancandy1: i dont

01:29:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00040818 = 8.8983 BTC [+]

01:29:56 ben_vulpes: such sexcuses.

01:29:59 BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: No she didn't. Not until she made that flick with Ray J

01:30:23 indiancandy1: her dad

01:30:26 indiancandy1: was oj simpsons attorney

01:30:37 indiancandy1: she came from a middle class family

01:31:09 indiancandy1: the porn did help

01:31:14 indiancandy1: she sold it for 5mill

01:31:22 indiancandy1: but she had money b4

01:31:23 indiancandy1: i dnt

01:32:53 ben_vulpes: you gotta drop this "can't do anything cuz no money lol" attitude and focus on getting some money.

01:33:06 indiancandy1: yea

01:33:08 indiancandy1: but

01:33:13 indiancandy1: yea

01:33:16 indiancandy1: i need hits

01:33:20 ben_vulpes: !b 5

01:33:20 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KHHJJC.txt )

01:33:20 indiancandy1: so the media wil pick it

01:33:30 indiancandy1: ytview chargs 6000 dollars

01:33:32 danielpbarron: you are getting hits right now..

01:33:35 indiancandy1: for 3million

01:33:57 ben_vulpes: don't fuck around trying to get the attention of interns in tv companies, that's not going to fly.

01:34:02 indiancandy1: whose on instagram btw

01:34:11 ben_vulpes: go fuck a television company executive, wrap him around your finger, leverage like that.

01:34:18 indiancandy1: i have a publicist

01:34:21 indiancandy1: lol

01:34:25 indiancandy1: but the media wont pick it up

01:34:28 indiancandy1: if its not like wow

01:34:34 indiancandy1: 2mill hits in 3days

01:34:35 indiancandy1: wow

01:34:39 indiancandy1: kinda thing

01:34:42 indiancandy1: unless i pay

01:34:44 indiancandy1: the media

01:34:48 indiancandy1: and tats costly

01:34:59 danielpbarron: can you try to condense your thoughts into single lines?

01:35:09 BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: Have you considered dating a rapper?

01:35:19 BingoBoingo: Works for Kim

01:37:09 indiancandy1: no rappers in uk

01:37:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5961 @ 0.0004118 = 2.4547 BTC [+]

01:39:00 indiancandy1: whose on instagram

01:39:42 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: wealthy politicians << u.s. folks perhaps remember perot ? interesting fella

01:40:06 pete_dushenski: ;;google ross perot

01:40:07 gribble: Ross Perot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot; H. Ross Perot - Famous Texans: http://www.famoustexans.com/rossperot.htm; Ross Perot - Biography - Business Leader - Biography.com: http://www.biography.com/people/ross-perot-9438032

01:40:35 pete_dushenski: 'computer billionaire'

01:42:25 asciilifeform: usg billionaire

01:42:48 pete_dushenski: bon soir!

02:08:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.0004118 = 1.5031 BTC [+]

02:08:14 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

02:18:21 punkman: indiancandy1: no rappers in uk << plenty of them but they are all poor

02:18:41 punkman: on the other hand, London's full of people with way too much money

02:21:19 TheNewDeal: ;;Bids 216.9

02:21:20 gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 4390.3307 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 993477.3393 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0440 seconds

02:21:44 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/just-asking-the-science-guy-bill-nye-gets-hot/2015/02/11/1e278afa-a66c-11e4-a06b-9df2002b86a0_story.html < Bill Nye identifies 'regular software writers' as kulaks "We have this top tier [of scientists] in the U.S., the people who graduated from Stanford, from Berkeley, from MIT, Cornell. Those people are still exceptional and really good. But we have this enormous gap between that and

02:21:45 assbot: Just Asking: The Science Guy Bill Nye gets hot - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZy9yj )

02:21:45 decimation: just regular software writers

02:21:47 decimation: and farmers and people that need to be scientifically literate."

02:21:51 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

02:21:58 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 236.5, vol: 7821.09675746 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 230.106, vol: 7852.57648 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 237.07, vol: 31142.23300928 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 235.8784, vol: 138020.38710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 235.0, vol: 21.3968592 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 233.964227, vol: 77.03579533 | Volume-weighted last average: 235.85934577

02:30:47 TheNewDeal: ;;Ticker

02:30:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.98, Best ask: 236.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 236.88, 24 hour volume: 7857.00240715, 24 hour low: 232.48, 24 hour high: 247.0, 24 hour vwap: 237.411802714

02:31:27 nubbins`: re: uboot on pogo

02:31:29 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 how goes ho!

02:31:40 asciilifeform: nubbins`: hm?

02:31:55 nubbins`: http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html

02:31:57 assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZyYqB )

02:32:16 asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes, i think it was linked here a while ago

02:32:58 *: asciilifeform presently investigating why netbsd does not correctly initialize sata or sd controllers

02:33:46 mircea_popescu: !up dek_

02:34:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13048 @ 0.00040876 = 5.3335 BTC [-]

02:34:52 indiancandy1: hey mp bae

02:34:55 indiancandy1: i miss u

02:35:36 dek_: hello

02:36:12 mircea_popescu: so where's your twerking vid ?

02:36:18 mircea_popescu: how goes dek_

02:36:28 mats: hm, i learned today you can prepend your prompt with a ':' and have a ';' at the end, it will ignore whats in between so you can just copy and paste lines right from your terminal

02:36:46 danielpbarron: nubbins`, did you ever get that to work?

02:36:58 nubbins`: danielpbarron yeah, it's serving up files via smb right now

02:37:10 danielpbarron: oh.. but not bitcoind ?

02:37:20 nubbins`: no, actually useful enough around the house that i'll need to get a second one for tinkering

02:37:21 nubbins`: :/

02:37:50 danielpbarron: bitcoind: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.20' not found (required by bitcoind)

02:37:55 nubbins`: well, wait now.

02:38:03 nubbins`: didn't alf post some binaries to the ml?

02:38:11 nubbins`: danielpbarron +1

02:38:14 danielpbarron: and that's after i added a 'testing' repository to the sources list and upgraded libc

02:38:27 mircea_popescu: nubbins`> no, actually useful enough around the house that i'll need to get a second one for tinkering << ahahaha

02:38:40 nubbins`: XD

02:38:57 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

02:39:10 danielpbarron: not that this is even what's gonna be used ultimately; i thought i'd just try it out real quick and it ended up becoming an obsession

02:39:16 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: those were -wrong-

02:39:17 nubbins`: yeah

02:39:20 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

02:39:24 gribble: Current Blocks: 344752 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1999 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 31 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48520572098.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.93321

02:39:27 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: use mod6's recipe for building -properly- static ones

02:39:44 nubbins`: you're not trying to compile it on the pogo itself, are you?

02:39:47 danielpbarron: no

02:39:59 danielpbarron: i'm using the binary i cross-compiled on my gentoo machine

02:40:08 nubbins`: okay, was gonna say.. 8)

02:40:08 danielpbarron: the same binary that works on ArchLinux

02:40:09 asciilifeform: incidentally, seems like all the bsd folks disable the cpu cache on pogo

02:40:12 asciilifeform: i'd like to learn why

02:40:20 asciilifeform: but see also:

02:40:23 asciilifeform: !s the lifeboat mutiny

02:40:24 assbot: 2 results for 'the lifeboat mutiny' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+lifeboat+mutiny

02:40:38 asciilifeform: ^ on the pitfalls of reconnecting that which has been yanked

02:41:13 nubbins`: ...

02:41:23 nubbins`: is the pitfall incomplete search results?

02:41:35 nubbins`: o, wait. there we go.

02:41:41 mod6: this was never actually posted publically yet. there is some very strange bjam error that doesn't allow the bash script to continue automatically. if one runs it, then you'll have to comment out the build lines for openssl, bdb, and boost and re-run.

02:42:19 mod6: I can post it if you wanna use it though. the hope was to have a fixed one here by sometime next week.

02:42:25 asciilifeform: post plz

02:42:27 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1: but she had money b4 << girl's done her homework.

02:42:49 BingoBoingo: Less than 6 months left for 0.7.2 WTF to finish syncing

02:43:03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what machine ?

02:43:20 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7MXmP2ba

02:43:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZA5Xt )

02:43:21 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1: ytview chargs 6000 dollars << you're prolly going to end up stuck around that sort of price, quarter cent per k, whatever.

02:43:31 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pedestrian AMD powered laptop AMD E-350 CPU

02:43:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's the actual transfer rate ?

02:43:48 asciilifeform: on the wire

02:44:01 mod6: sorry, damn hotel wireless keeps dropping me like every 90 seconds.

02:44:04 danielpbarron: so is it possible that i need to recompile my bitcoind, and this debian install is just fine? and for some reason ArchLinux doesn't mind?

02:44:05 asciilifeform: is it connecting preferentially to nodes in afghanistan, ip over dead goat ?

02:44:15 *: mod6 is on-the-road

02:44:22 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: if i had build that thing properly static, it would not be an issue

02:44:25 asciilifeform: *built

02:44:44 nubbins`: dgoip

02:44:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I honestly and humbly lack the faculties of knowledge necessary to determine such

02:45:07 asciilifeform: hmm

02:45:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: have you tried restricting it to one known-good node on the lan to sync from ?

02:45:58 mircea_popescu: decimation: Bill Nye identifies 'regular software writers' << afaik this view was never controversial. i was kinda surprised to see people react to my ocasional statement to the effect with total shock.

02:46:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nope, syncing "in the wild" to make sure it can. Looking like it will be a sub 2 week sync time so happy with that

02:46:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al: the way i'm thinking now, the 'sync from one node at a time' thing will have to be killed with fire before 0.5.3/pogo (or otherwise) is given to civilians

02:46:31 asciilifeform: just like the memory leak

02:46:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems so

02:46:40 asciilifeform: because having it there - it is just unforgivable idiocy

02:46:46 mircea_popescu: myeah

02:46:51 mod6: the static build script seems to exit after line 53 for some reason, haven't had time to debug. if one should figure out a workaround/fix/patch for that, that'd be much appreciated. otherwise I can fix myself when I'm back.

02:46:56 mircea_popescu: problem is... not that straughtforward fix

02:47:11 asciilifeform: aha, requires sewing not only ripping

02:47:17 asciilifeform: ripping - easy

02:47:50 mod6: be advised that lines 4, 6 & 8 of that script need to be tuned to your local environment!

02:47:54 mod6: :]

02:47:55 asciilifeform: bad enough that i'm apparently chasing a low-level bit diddling bug in a sata driver for a godforsaken chip on a godforsaken os

02:48:00 asciilifeform: how did i fall into such a life.

02:48:22 asciilifeform: and would any of you care to do this instead

02:48:51 mircea_popescu: man with young children. "how did i fall into such a life!"

02:49:01 mircea_popescu: cuz you liked teh woman, foo.

02:49:49 nubbins`: sadly, the cheapest pogo a canadian can land is $25usd

02:49:52 nubbins`: still notu badu

02:50:31 asciilifeform: nubbins`: and which one was that

02:50:40 mod6: anyway, the foundation will publish a polished script sometime during the first few weeks of march.

02:50:50 nubbins`: blue "mobile", no lid. ebay.

02:50:53 mod6: sorry I didn't get a chance to clean that up before I left.

02:51:12 nubbins`: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pogoplug-POGO-V4-A1-01-Mobile-for-PC-MAC-and-iPhone-iPad-/261410065617?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cdd410cd1#shpCntId

02:51:16 assbot: Pogoplug Pogo V4 A1 01 Mobile FOR PC MAC AND Iphone Ipad 850877002290 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZAM2U )

02:51:35 nubbins`: er no removable lid

02:51:51 asciilifeform: nubbins`: sata-less

02:51:56 nubbins`: nod

02:52:13 nubbins`: right, someone mentioned the exercise in patience i have awaiting me

02:52:49 nubbins`: ~$35usd for sata-ful

02:53:02 asciilifeform: nubbins`: can't order from usian 'amazon' ?

02:53:03 mod6: for the vi-impared, if you run the script as-is, and you hit that weird issue as I did, simply start up vi and run this

02:53:06 mod6: :35,53 s/^/#/

02:53:08 asciilifeform: or killer postage cost

02:53:11 nubbins`: well, no, maybe the same

02:53:13 mod6: then :wq and re-run the script

02:53:24 nubbins`: asciilifeform most electronic items simply do not offer a checkout button for canadians

02:53:25 danielpbarron: what is shipping from US to CA?

02:53:39 nubbins`: danielpbarron insanely cheap for everything but electronics.

02:53:48 asciilifeform: i've never had problems getting items from ca

02:53:52 nubbins`: phun phact, we order most of our paper from brooklyn

02:53:53 danielpbarron: how would they know?

02:54:07 danielpbarron: i mean from me to you

02:54:08 nubbins`: how would the shippers know?

02:54:10 nubbins`: o.

02:54:19 nubbins`: the customs form, i guess

02:54:39 nubbins`: i don't think there's any special duty or anything, just american electronics websites usually charge limbs to .ca

02:55:06 nubbins`: you mailing me ten packaged pogos would raise eyebrows at customs

02:55:07 danielpbarron: eh, unless you're getting more than one it's probably not worth it anyway for just 15 bucks

02:55:18 nubbins`: yeah

02:55:23 mircea_popescu: so i'm banning both clam shitcoin and cryptsy from bitbet. anyone want to argue either ?

02:55:35 mod6: last note: this is all predicated on the fact that one would have run the v0.0.8 perl script to patch the R.I. So you might need to alter line 62 to point to the correct bitcoin build directory.

02:55:48 nubbins`: it really is only like another $8 for the purple logo'd one, hey?

02:55:59 danielpbarron: yes

02:56:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> so i'm banning both clam shitcoin and cryptsy from bitbet. anyone want to argue either ? << Surprised Cryptsy didn't hit the shitlist earlier

02:56:10 asciilifeform: what even was it...

02:56:15 nubbins`: i feel like i have a sata drive from my last laptop somewhere

02:56:16 mircea_popescu: me too. i guess nobody cared.

02:56:19 nubbins`: it drank a beer

02:57:11 danielpbarron: that's the idea / that most people probably have a harddrive they can rip out of an old laptop

02:57:36 nubbins`: danielpbarron in fact, if i order two pogos on ebay, it automatically adds import charges

02:57:43 nubbins`: one pogo, no charges

02:58:01 nubbins`: dem regulations

02:58:17 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: that was precisely why i wanted the sata feature, yes

02:58:18 danielpbarron: how much would 2 cost you?

02:58:45 nubbins`: overall slightly cheaper per unit than ordering one

02:58:56 danielpbarron: even with the extra charge?

02:59:06 nubbins`: added import charges, marginally higher shipping cost

02:59:06 nubbins`: yep

02:59:28 danielpbarron: fwiw, my profession is shipping/recieving

02:59:44 danielpbarron: specifically LTL

02:59:54 mircea_popescu: haha cool.

03:00:35 *: BingoBoingo sees need for WoT endorsed BTC courier service. If in 2 years does not exist and BTCexchange rate/Qntra workload stabilizes may consider

03:01:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.0004118 = 5.0446 BTC [+]

03:01:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: might be one of those 'requires fortress' things

03:01:26 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron srsly, mayhap make a business out of it ? btc clearance warehouse

03:01:39 danielpbarron: i had that idea last year

03:01:46 mircea_popescu: "ship me anything you want, ask for anything you want"

03:01:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. Obstacle is pricing drug fucks out of service.

03:02:06 mircea_popescu: add a storage service to it, etc.

03:02:23 mircea_popescu: "leaving the us to go chase the republic ? ship me your shit. ill store or sell it"

03:02:44 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wot only.

03:02:59 asciilifeform: bitmule

03:03:37 nubbins`: danielpbarron hmm

03:03:54 nubbins`: what can we work out here :D

03:04:07 mircea_popescu: !up dek_

03:06:49 BingoBoingo: mod6: You know once 0.5.3.x stabilizes there's probably an opportunity for driving utilization by submitting it to various *BSD Ports trees as bitcoind-LTS

03:07:02 nubbins`: :o

03:07:29 mircea_popescu: implying anyone but us uses bsd

03:07:35 asciilifeform: ^l0l

03:08:09 BingoBoingo: Well, appliance use of various BSD's is not uncommon

03:08:27 mircea_popescu: right.

03:08:36 asciilifeform: i can already picture 'teh phyootur' where the ada-on-bare-metal meta-foundation(tm) is laughing at us

03:09:00 mircea_popescu: how ? we'd just join.

03:09:02 BingoBoingo: Old desktop + OpenBSD pf = loadbalancer sort of thing/

03:09:13 *: asciilifeform joins

03:09:19 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

03:09:59 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i can already picture 'teh phyootur' where the ada-on-bare-metal meta-foundation(tm) is laughing at us << Irony of USG sponsored Ada saving the world from C is delicious

03:10:18 asciilifeform: earlier usg

03:11:02 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not so much earlier as to be alien or ancient. I mean they were propping up dementia guy from the TV ads as a figurehead

03:11:02 asciilifeform: (also can talk about att being every bit as 'usg' as any ministry, at the time of being a national telecom megamonopoly)

03:11:19 mircea_popescu: gunnery sargeant hartmann usg

03:12:51 asciilifeform: orwell more or less spot on - nothing happened in the 20th c. except as nominally decreed in some mega-empire or other

03:13:12 mircea_popescu: like btc.

03:13:20 asciilifeform: in the loose sense where what happened at bell had anything to do with the throne

03:13:27 mircea_popescu: o sorry you said 20th

03:13:30 asciilifeform: 20th!

03:18:26 asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fa.netbsd.tech.kern/8K8OcXVxyXM

03:18:28 assbot: Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB24aY )

03:18:36 asciilifeform: ^ what i'm seeing with my entire collection of sata drives

03:18:47 asciilifeform: netbsd is unusable unless+until this is fixed

03:18:50 asciilifeform: on pogo.

03:19:41 BingoBoingo: !up hanbot

03:19:45 BingoBoingo: !up paxtoncamaro91

03:21:25 indiancandy1: im watchin a movie

03:21:30 indiancandy1: rocknrola

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03:30:51 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/11/the_question_isnt_why_do_babie.html#c039912

03:30:52 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Question Isn't Why Do Babies Do It ... ( http://bit.ly/1EGMVyh )

03:31:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, no those books aren't albums. Just pulp. Titles on the spines look great on the bookshelf though. Cover art isn't bad either

03:32:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf, i'd fail this test even now. who's to say that 'climber' is really being 'helped' by being pushed up

03:33:04 asciilifeform: and this is supposed to be clear to a baby ?

03:33:09 mircea_popescu: it's fucking stupid is whjat it is

03:33:15 ben_vulpes: y'r thinkin too hard, alf

03:33:17 asciilifeform: it's rubbish

03:33:17 mircea_popescu: it IS clear to a baby, but only because babies are retards.

03:33:21 asciilifeform: unadulterated rubbish

03:33:22 ben_vulpes: it's supposed to validate the underlying thesis.

03:33:42 mircea_popescu: this neoprotestant platonic pedophilia is outright obscene

03:33:55 mircea_popescu: ESPECIALLY in the context of how agitated they are about fucking children.

03:37:00 nubbins`: why did this guy stop updating his blog

03:37:29 BingoBoingo: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html

03:37:32 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB5p9Z )

03:37:39 mircea_popescu: alf's forced theory is that he got paid infinity whores & blows to run all the meta-usg

03:37:57 nubbins`: how pedestrian an end

03:37:59 mircea_popescu: even if that happened... he's not actually good enough.

03:38:30 asciilifeform: nah gewagenen

03:38:36 mircea_popescu: no wai.

03:38:54 nubbins`: prolly got fed up and moved to the woods

03:38:56 mircea_popescu: listen, there's not that much hr available. given your other beliefs you are required to believe he's the lizard hitler now.

03:38:58 nubbins`: i wonder what book /he/ took

03:39:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` shaw

03:40:20 BingoBoingo: https://www.michaelwlucas.com/autobiography/the-porn-star

03:40:22 assbot: The Porn Star « Michael W Lucas ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB5Wsy )

03:40:22 asciilifeform: neh, his reptilian majesty is too pumped on meth and playing 'space invaders' with live gurlz to be tlp

03:40:33 mircea_popescu: orly.

03:40:38 mircea_popescu: guy admits to being a drunk...

03:41:04 asciilifeform: stalins don't drink. only yeltsins drink

03:41:12 asciilifeform: or at least, take to drink

03:41:13 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> guy admits to being a drunk... << Most drunks do. Drunks are braggarts.

03:41:38 mircea_popescu: notice that there's no space for lizard hitler being any kind of stalin.

03:42:48 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

03:42:49 asciilifeform: but sure, the lizarditude of the observable universe is a bit much to fit in a man-sized bucket. sorta like the apparent limit to achievable magnetic field density..

03:43:48 indiancandy1: im buyin 1000 instagram followers

03:43:52 indiancandy1: for 5 dollars

03:44:10 asciilifeform: indiancandy1: why?!

03:44:20 asciilifeform: indiancandy1: at least read 'Spam Like A Pro In 21 Days' first.

03:44:58 indiancandy1: whats that

03:44:58 BingoBoingo: https://www.michaelwlucas.com/autobiography/the-thumbs

03:45:00 assbot: The Thumbs « Michael W Lucas ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB6Hln )

03:45:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo re the name, i definitely got that one pat. no romanian's ever going to be a contender. and that mircea chick really faded after a brief moment of fame

03:45:01 indiancandy1: spam like a pro

03:45:05 danielpbarron: i tried to buy twitter followers on the silk road once, but canceled when the guy couldn't decrypt the GPG message containing the username (not for my account / i was trying to freak out an associate of mine who takes twitter way too seriously despite having only 50 followers)

03:45:09 mircea_popescu: which, coincidentally or not, centers on me writing an article about her

03:45:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno, that artist and his blawg...

03:45:29 mircea_popescu: yaya

03:45:53 indiancandy1: wat is spam like a pro

03:45:57 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 basically he's saying this is a full time job and you won't be seeing any roi as an amateur

03:46:04 BingoBoingo: !b 3

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03:47:05 asciilifeform: dear kiyohara takashi, wtf. sincerely,

03:47:20 asciilifeform: everyone

03:47:41 indiancandy1: roi?

03:47:51 BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: Return on Investment

03:47:51 danielpbarron: indiancandy1, btw -- bought followers are worthless; they don't get you impressions or engagements. it just makes the number on your profile look big (so what)

03:48:06 mircea_popescu: return on investment

03:48:11 indiancandy1: 3pound

03:48:14 indiancandy1: is not a loss

03:48:37 asciilifeform: indiancandy1: do you drive a car? when you go to a petrol pump, do you pay them to fill your tank? or to wind your gauge to 'full' by hand ?

03:48:48 indiancandy1: i dont drive

03:48:49 indiancandy1: lol

03:48:53 mircea_popescu: lol

03:49:03 asciilifeform: could be why having problem grasping the concept

03:49:23 mircea_popescu: well, she's trying to do something. which in principle is sane, better do something than nothing at all.

03:49:33 indiancandy1: lol

03:49:36 asciilifeform: nobody alive does 'nothing at all'

03:49:40 indiancandy1: aww mp sticking up 4 me

03:49:44 asciilifeform: everybody's trying 'something'

03:49:47 asciilifeform: afaik

03:51:28 asciilifeform: http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c?annotate=1.34&only_with_tag=MAIN

03:51:33 assbot: src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c - annotate - 1.34 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB7RgI )

03:52:34 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 you got twitch ? or how the fuck is that ipad dating app called

03:52:47 indiancandy1: what

03:52:49 indiancandy1: twich?

03:52:54 indiancandy1: never heard of it

03:53:06 indiancandy1: im not down with the cool kids

03:53:08 mircea_popescu: ;;google wtf is that stupid ipad dating app called

03:53:09 gribble: Oh God, I Spent $494.04 Playing the Kim Kardashian Hollywood App: http://jezebel.com/oh-god-i-spent-494-04-playing-the-kim-kardashian-holl-1597154346; Talking Angela iPhone app scare spreads on Facebook | Naked ...: https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/02/25/talking-angela-iphone-app-scare/; 7+ Frustrating Things in iOS 8 and What To Do About Them: (1 more message)

03:53:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tinder

03:53:15 indiancandy1: tell me more

03:53:28 asciilifeform: mats described it here

03:53:38 indiancandy1: no i dont do u ?

03:53:42 danielpbarron: #LeftSwipeDat

03:53:46 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 : buy borrow or steal an ipad ; install tinder ; go out wtih ALL the guys, insist they promote you on their social media.

03:54:09 danielpbarron: the app is so popular, the truth anti-smoking ads assume you're already familiar with it

03:54:09 indiancandy1: ahaha

03:54:11 mircea_popescu: do at least 3 a day, that's 20 a week. a month later you got mommentum plus enough dining out experience to start your own cooking blog

03:54:17 mircea_popescu: now go.

03:54:26 indiancandy1: o my

03:54:31 indiancandy1: mp

03:54:34 indiancandy1: ur so funny

03:54:38 *: danielpbarron has never seen, let alone used tinder

03:54:53 mircea_popescu: im not joking.

03:54:56 indiancandy1: is it for casual sex

03:55:10 mircea_popescu: yes. it's for casual sex with geeky derps.

03:55:13 BingoBoingo: Swipe right every day, #YesAllWomen

03:55:24 danielpbarron: hahahaha

03:55:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's rich, lol. rather like saying that spam is for nigerians to become millionaires

03:55:53 danielpbarron: wait is that not a joke.. is that what that hashtag meant?

03:56:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you that if she had the mettle to obey me exactly she'd have that viral she wants.

03:56:12 asciilifeform: quite likely

03:56:13 mircea_popescu: the problem is, you don't get the girl in a position to execute without the basement halfyear.

03:56:31 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Not a joke.

03:57:12 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: The statement preceeding the hashtag is literally what the hashtag is all about

03:57:15 indiancandy1: nigerians do yahoo yahoo it involves witchcraft

03:57:28 indiancandy1: there are actually witchdoctors that specialise in this 419 thing

03:57:29 asciilifeform: since we're on the subject, could someone enlighten me re: how 'tinder' does anything once the counterparties meet in the flesh?

03:57:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it provides structure for the conversation.

03:58:01 indiancandy1: it works on gprs

03:58:09 indiancandy1: so basically seeking locals

03:58:10 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> since we're on the subject, could someone enlighten me re: how 'tinder' does anything once the counterparties meet in the flesh? << Not in its spec. Hands this off to wetware

03:58:19 mircea_popescu: you're not going to say "how bout those metz" not because you're not dumb enough to do that, which you are, but because you're not smart enough to think ot the metz.

03:58:24 asciilifeform: but that's the actual mega-problem

03:58:25 mircea_popescu: so you're stuck being in the same space.

03:58:25 cazalla: nothing worse than a woman enthral by her iphone, i'd bet the tinder girls are much worse

03:58:26 indiancandy1: it should be called seeking locals

03:58:48 cazalla: i would do the twitch thing tbh, tinder dating you are capped at one man per date, twitch is unlimited

03:58:52 indiancandy1: its for people who just want casual sex

03:59:01 indiancandy1: and this days most of society just want that

03:59:05 BingoBoingo: <indiancandy1> it should be called seeking locals << This is why you suck at spam 101

03:59:09 asciilifeform: see also the wunderwaffen thread:

03:59:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2015#1017942

03:59:10 assbot: Logged on 14-02-2015 02:47:47; mircea_popescu: do you skip to where the machine got abandoned and read her again ?

03:59:30 indiancandy1: i dont spam

03:59:33 indiancandy1: ?

03:59:54 BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: I know. It's jsut actual descriptive names don't ever go viral

04:00:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now imagine if on top of all this "important" stuff, she also had the fucking receiver bolt : "for every missing one, you get ten lashes. each day."

04:00:14 asciilifeform: my understanding was that 'tinder' etc. could only boost the guy's chances because the gurl arrives pre-initialized

04:00:40 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> my understanding was that 'tinder' etc. could only boost the guy's chances because the gurl arrives pre-initialized << Does it need to do more?

04:00:47 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, the app helps in that it isn't aimed at establishing long-term relationships; you can already have a new one-night-stand ready for when you're done with the current one

04:00:51 indiancandy1: it should be called sluts r us

04:00:53 indiancandy1: ahahahahahahah

04:01:03 cazalla: indiancandy1, quit slut shaming

04:01:14 mircea_popescu: sluts r us!

04:01:24 asciilifeform: well yes but how does it improve chances vs. visiting a specially-designated heathen pit where these presently congregate

04:01:38 danielpbarron: from what i understand though, the guys are the sluts; the app is for women

04:01:47 indiancandy1: there is one for gays also

04:01:49 asciilifeform: ^ now -that- would make sense

04:01:57 indiancandy1: and one for lesboz

04:02:00 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> well yes but how does it improve chances vs. visiting a specially-designated heathen pit where these presently congregate << Heathen pits have greater explicit costs

04:02:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re pit, zappa's opinions re disco.

04:02:14 mircea_popescu: iirc quoted here a while back too

04:02:21 BingoBoingo: <indiancandy1> there is one for gays also << Grindr

04:02:25 indiancandy1: ya

04:02:26 cazalla: back in my day we had to use adult friend finder, none of this fancy iphone shit

04:02:28 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: costs?

04:02:42 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Heathen pit costs time

04:02:45 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you can afford a computer, you can afford to visit pub

04:02:49 asciilifeform: ah hm.

04:02:58 indiancandy1: hot girls dont go pubs

04:03:00 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your forget idiots suck at math

04:03:09 indiancandy1: hot girls go to bars

04:03:25 asciilifeform: indiancandy1: bar is not same as pub where you live ?

04:03:32 indiancandy1: london

04:03:36 indiancandy1: and its completley different

04:03:46 cazalla: likewise, pub/bar are two diff things down under

04:04:17 danielpbarron: is the difference whether you sit or stand?

04:04:24 indiancandy1: no

04:04:29 *: asciilifeform bows out of this thread because realizes he has no personal experience with any of the things therein, at all, nor does he have a working theoretical model of them

04:04:54 indiancandy1: if i had 2 compare it to hotels i would say a bar is more 5star and pub is like local bed and breakfast

04:05:34 cazalla: pub is more cheap food and booze, bar is more.. cocktail.. you'd never get a cocktail at a pub.. unless ya like a poof or something

04:06:47 danielpbarron: i can't find a good cocktail anywhere

04:07:05 indiancandy1: unless ur like a poof

04:07:09 indiancandy1: thats funny

04:07:15 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: generally you make 'em.

04:07:17 indiancandy1: daniel were do u liive

04:07:22 ben_vulpes: or have the girl do it.

04:07:31 danielpbarron: yep

04:07:32 ben_vulpes: a, the...

04:08:09 danielpbarron: indiancandy1, Connecticut (the state next to new york city)

04:08:54 BingoBoingo: <cazalla> likewise, pub/bar are two diff things down under << Here pub is fancier subset of bar where craft beer poofs congregate

04:09:01 cazalla: this is why true blue aussie battler slim dusty sang of a pub with no beer and not no cocktails https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E0aZ387M_I

04:09:03 assbot: Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBaNtN )

04:11:33 BingoBoingo: http://drunkard.com/issues/59/59-10-reasons-why-the-gabf-sucks.html << "Hall F of the Colorado Convention Center possesses all the charm of a Soviet tank factory with the Nazis closing in. All the ugly, hard surfaces distort and amplify the happy babble of the crowd into the soundtrack of the Spanish inquisition. I?m well-aware of the brewery association?s rationale: With so many people begging to be fleeced, they have an obli

04:11:34 assbot: Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBb7Zs )

04:11:34 BingoBoingo: gation to provide enough space to fleece as many as possible. Which is fine, but that doesn?t mean the fleece factory has to look and feel like a fleece factory." Everything wrong with craft beer scene

04:11:35 indiancandy1: in dubai u get nice pubs

04:11:52 indiancandy1: GOODNIGHT EVRYBODY

04:11:53 indiancandy1: XXXXXXXX

04:12:08 BingoBoingo: http://drunkard.com/issues/59/59-champagne-is-fucking-overrated.html

04:12:09 assbot: Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBbgwa )

04:12:21 ben_vulpes: oi fuck you

04:12:29 ben_vulpes: champagne is not overrated

04:12:38 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It totally is

04:13:32 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

04:13:41 BingoBoingo: !up unbalanced

04:13:49 ben_vulpes: bourbon? self-disqualified.

04:14:22 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Bourbon is good, but still not as efficient as pure ETOH

04:14:29 decimation: champagne from champagne or fizzy wine in general?

04:15:18 BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, I linked a text authored by a person with more polished thoughts on the matter

04:15:54 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/01/hey_we_just_now_invented_a_coc.html#comment-26844 << tlp gets some outright great comments

04:15:55 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Hey! We Just Now Invented A Cocaine Vaccine 9 Years Ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBbZ0j )

04:16:27 ben_vulpes: decimation: the person in question wouldn't know the difference.

04:17:50 BingoBoingo: I?m not going to go overboard here by claiming that there?s somehow nothing worse than the introduction of a bottle of champagne to a party setting, but I will call that shit out as being a significant speed bump at any given semiformal bacchanal?say, <, What is untrue about this. Champagne is a speed bump, and obstruction

04:18:33 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: have you ever been to Wilson's Pizza in Windsor?

04:18:49 BingoBoingo: "There?s a gathering ?round, anticipations, the camaraderie of the pour-and-pass. Speeches are made and improvised from makeshift pulpits. In a chamber of strangers there comes a blossoming sense of true union, a warm realization of the beauty in us all, and the hope for a happier tomorrow. The energy of the room charges upward to its apex, tears flow freely, everyone screams? And then, in silent finale, we all tip back bar

04:18:49 BingoBoingo: ely half a cup of soda water gone rotten, say aaah, and limply burp. Hooray?"

04:19:10 ben_vulpes: poor people opining about champagne.

04:19:14 ben_vulpes: good find, BingoBoingo.

04:19:17 *: mircea_popescu went to some sort of shibaru get together here, it was advertised as "bring someting to share". i brought two bottles of fizzy, ended up drinking it with girl i brought and her friend that made the invite, because the other people were too shy.

04:19:22 mircea_popescu: also, shibaru dressed. srsly.

04:19:49 ben_vulpes: haw

04:19:53 ben_vulpes: what's the point?

04:19:56 mircea_popescu: i have nfi.

04:20:16 mircea_popescu: and i don't mean dressed as in swimwear either.

04:20:22 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Not quite. More people opining on the forgetableness of champagne for the serious drink hobbyist.

04:20:28 mircea_popescu: fuckign street clothes.

04:20:33 danielpbarron: thestringpuller> danielpbarron: have you ever been to Wilson's Pizza in Windsor? << no; not sure if i've even been to windsor

04:20:40 cazalla: BingoBoingo, ever been blind drunk only to find that old abandoned bottle of champas in the back of a cupboard and despite being blind drunk, half of it gets tipped down the sink?

04:21:07 BingoBoingo: <cazalla> BingoBoingo, ever been blind drunk only to find that old abandoned bottle of champas in the back of a cupboard and despite being blind drunk, half of it gets tipped down the sink? << Seriously, shit dies within minutes of opening

04:21:20 ben_vulpes: was there anything interesting on display at all?

04:22:11 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it was like 2 other guys and about 7 girls. exactly one barely fuckable in the lot, and she looked and acted like a 17 yo cutting class.

04:23:00 ben_vulpes: sounds par for your experiences down south.

04:23:00 mircea_popescu: on re-read i guess to some people that sounds like praise. it ain't.

04:23:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes somehow this disease where "words, we are using them" has definitely spread to here.

04:23:46 mircea_popescu: i blame tv.

04:23:57 cazalla: you know, one of the many things i don't grasp about bdsm is what looks like a desire of people to do it in a social setting than privacy of ones own home

04:24:11 mircea_popescu: cazalla ever fucked a girl in public ?

04:24:29 cazalla: not in full view, no

04:24:45 mircea_popescu: ever thought about doin' it ?

04:24:47 cazalla: off to the side, out of view, yes, but not a habit either

04:25:16 cazalla: no, not really, i like the comfort of home where shameful acts remain out of sight

04:25:43 mircea_popescu: well then makes sense.

04:25:52 mircea_popescu: not a fan of restaurants either ?

04:26:04 unbalanced: Sheesh, the conversation always takes a turn in the minutes it takes me to read a link and find a relevant reply

04:26:19 cazalla: i'm not, but prob for reasons other than implied (don't like to eat in front of others i'm guessing, but that does not bother me)

04:26:25 unbalanced: mp, re: the TLP comment I saw this the other day: https://twitter.com/renaudbedard/status/567827024775127040

04:26:28 assbot: Woooah, a spambot barfed its post recipe on my blog, it's beautiful o_o // http://t.co/AVhrIFXgEK http://t.co/tlrHBHa5Oj

04:26:41 mircea_popescu: jus' saying, you know, each has his own inclinations. some ppl like it. some don't mind it. etc.

04:26:42 unbalanced: BingoBoingo, thanks for the upvoice

04:27:00 mircea_popescu: unbalanced happens to me occasionally too. {|||} etc stuff

04:27:01 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: You're welcome. It's been a while

04:27:29 unbalanced: I wander off for a few months and sites fall off the web like flies.

04:27:59 unbalanced: I take it Altcoin is history? And Virtex and VoS here in Canada.

04:28:10 mircea_popescu: for plenty of girls being fucked in public is a major trespass, and sexual arousal and taboo breaking are intrinsically linked.

04:28:56 cazalla: i assume you mean in full view of the public and not hidden away up a side alley

04:30:38 cazalla: a romp in the side alley = fear of being caught, but in full view of the public and on display for anyone that cares to watch.. must be something else?

04:30:58 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: ATC died, mining became unteneable

04:31:42 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: On the plus side ATC's death highlighted a critical vulnerability in mining economics for alts

04:32:50 unbalanced: I guess when X-BT was gone, miners saw no market for ATC?

04:33:21 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: ATC's death prompted X-BT to end, not the reverse

04:33:29 unbalanced: Aside from OTC here in IRC I guess.

04:33:55 unbalanced: Still, hard to find "a greater fool" to dump ATC on with me absent.

04:34:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l re: cocaine vaccine. the proposed 'dope vaccines' are one of the true eldrich horrors, that, were they actually put to use, would make folks pine for herr doktor mengele and his mercies

04:34:21 unbalanced: Nice work on qntra, btw

04:34:22 asciilifeform: think for a minute if the 'why' isn't obvious

04:34:23 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Well the MPIF ATC profit center died because MP ordered it when he saw continuing anything aTC would involve potentially unbounded costs.

04:34:27 unbalanced: To all involved.

04:34:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2796 @ 0.00041502 = 1.1604 BTC [+]

04:34:55 asciilifeform: picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres

04:35:06 asciilifeform: (i can't picture a 'cocaine vaccine' doing anything else, if it works at all)

04:35:08 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres << This

04:35:16 unbalanced: *nice work to all involved meaning BingoBoingo / cazalla / mp, unless I'm missing anyone.

04:35:19 asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine'

04:35:39 asciilifeform: i can see it as a grotesque means of execution, however.

04:35:51 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Our best recent piece was asciilifeform's disk controller epic

04:35:56 unbalanced: Oh jeez, I see the Dec statement, lots of authors. Nice model!

04:35:58 asciilifeform: 'vaccinate' poor schmuck and lock him in an oubliette with a rusty razor.

04:36:26 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Our most retweeted recently though was me cribbing crunchbase, because fuck Superfish/TimDraper

04:41:49 BingoBoingo: !uo gernika

04:41:53 BingoBoingo: !up Bagels7

04:44:53 BingoBoingo: !up unbalanced

04:45:42 unbalanced: asciilifeform: my favourite part of that was learning that there's a "Persistence Division" -- sounds like an 80's electronica band

04:46:31 mircea_popescu: cazalla well... something else, sure. like a strong signal to the other females.

04:46:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00041502 = 5.7273 BTC [+]

04:47:06 cazalla: looks like one of the cloudhashing.com guys has a new scam at freebitcoins.com to harvest emails at 0.0001 per

04:47:13 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell indiancandy1 marketing 101 http://drunkard.com/issues/59/59-thunderbird-is-the-word.html

04:47:15 assbot: Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyshwW )

04:47:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:47:40 unbalanced: Would you say Qubes is worth trying as a more secure OS? I think you mentioned it once wayyy back...

04:47:42 mircea_popescu: 2 cents an email ? hey, that's about what megalists cost.

04:48:03 asciilifeform: unbalanced: the reason for this is the elementary fact that, while virtually all victims of usg ops are dumb enough to run winblows, not all of them are so exquisitely stupid as to use the install that came in the crate

04:48:18 asciilifeform: unbalanced: hence persistence-through-diddled-hw shenanigans

04:48:45 unbalanced: ...so I looked for a laptop that would support all the goodies in Qubes, and ended up buying -- wait for it -- a Lenovo.

04:49:04 unbalanced: Can't win.

04:49:18 asciilifeform: unbalanced: qubes << i most certainly never suggested it. as far as i can see, it's plain 'xen' and subject to all the caveats thereof ('escapes' etc)

04:49:43 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: My online machine is still a 2011 vintage cheapo thinkpad. Love it.

04:49:51 asciilifeform: as a general rule, piss on anyone pitching a linux distro as 'an os'

04:50:22 asciilifeform: there is no excuse for lying. don't say 'i wrote an os' when you rolled a linux distro like 100,000 other folks.

04:50:32 unbalanced: Of course it wasn't a consumer Lenovo, but it seems if you buy the latest Intel processor for security features you may be buying a factory-pwned unit anyway.

04:50:35 asciilifeform: if gonna lie, at least try to be believable ?

04:50:35 *: BingoBoingo is coming around to idea that if linux is used msut be built from toothpicks

04:51:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think you understand how pubescent male brain works.

04:51:08 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: The cheapo lenovos come with AMD

04:51:29 unbalanced: I'd buy a used ThinkPad but who knows how diddled that would be now from 4 years of some shlub surfing porn?

04:51:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to the extent i know how any other one works.

04:52:01 asciilifeform: wasn't, after all, born this age.

04:52:11 *: BingoBoingo finds present online machine valuable because acquired well before could have been considered interesting personally

04:52:35 danielpbarron: i chatted with someone the other day who claimed to be using a "custom OS" / when pressed further he admitted it was ubuntu with some features disabled

04:52:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "hi baby i'm a producer". " i made an os"

04:52:37 asciilifeform: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/28288/20150123/researchers-test-anti-cocaine-vaccine-taps-immune-system-to-end-addiction.htm << this is interesting -only- because of the photo of the crack woman from pediwikia. it used to have a face!

04:52:38 assbot: Researchers Test Anti-Cocaine Vaccine, Taps Immune System to End Addiction : LIFE : Tech Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1zysKPD )

04:52:40 asciilifeform: i saw it many times

04:52:45 asciilifeform: and it had a face.

04:52:48 mircea_popescu: i even have this captured in fraudsters amber

04:53:44 asciilifeform: that photo only existed as a propaganda device, 'woman, see what the dope life does to face?!'

04:53:50 asciilifeform: and now it looks almost normal

04:54:23 asciilifeform: but i can see some pediwikian fuhrer going 'we shall now censor faces'

04:54:44 asciilifeform: re: 'dope life':

04:55:25 asciilifeform: there are conditions that interfere with sleep. as in, cannot - or can only rarely - sleep. eventually fatal. but before victim dies, he experiences more or less the whole gamut of 'meth addict' pathologies.

04:55:50 mircea_popescu: actually i so very much doubt that has to be fatal...

04:55:51 asciilifeform: which suggests that u.s. army medics were right, and meth (or other stimulator) per se doesn't poison the user

04:55:57 mircea_popescu: if i ever get one i'll report.

04:56:06 unbalanced: BingoBoingo, I imagine anyone wandering through this channel must end up on a no-fly list within a week. I mean, if there's a Persistence Division, there must be an #Assets Assembly.

04:56:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kills via immune collapse

04:56:19 asciilifeform: iirc.

04:56:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is, when i don't actually sleep i revert to these 4 hour cycles with about an hourish of downtime, and im fine.

04:56:57 mircea_popescu: i think the pathology results from not actually respecting that.

04:57:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the pathology arises in cases where victim - usually for reason of taking stimulator nonstop - feels no compulsion to sleep.

04:57:51 asciilifeform: this is not the only incident of 'modern' medicine failing to factor out comorbidities correctly

04:57:52 *: mircea_popescu is one of those rare folks that can stand guard two weeks and still appreciate humor at the end of it.

04:58:02 asciilifeform: see also tthe case of the wholly fictional 'crack babies'

04:58:25 asciilifeform: (which were, to the extent the pathologies were actual, vs imagined, alcohol babies)

04:59:15 cazalla: mircea_popescu, sleep deprived hysteria? had this after the first week with baby, i have never laughed so hard and all i assume as a result from total lack of sleep

04:59:25 *: asciilifeform personal record - 1 week. and appreciated humour perhaps too much after that. but story for another time

04:59:44 unbalanced: I saw bitwork.io in an early qntra.net article... is the maker from around here, an #asset-erian?

04:59:49 danielpbarron: i went a few days without sleep and began to hallucinate

05:00:29 cazalla: unbalanced, i don't believe so, exchanged a few emails with the guy who built that but unsure if he ever came here

05:01:03 danielpbarron: !up NewLiberty

05:01:19 mircea_popescu: cazalla no hysteria, but i get very disinclined to listen to what excuses anyone may have.

05:01:57 unbalanced: cazalla, thanks -- I was pondering a similar idea about how to divvy-up boring micro data-cleaning work by pipelining it to many users and doing micro-payments.

05:03:19 unbalanced: Like captcha's I'd need a human decision for the choices my code couldn't make... and would need to run each one by say 5 people then take the "wisdom of the crowds" consensus answer.

05:04:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29793 @ 0.00040662 = 12.1144 BTC [-] {2}

05:04:02 mircea_popescu: this is the shittiest wetware cpu design yet.

05:04:28 unbalanced: Simple stuff for a native speaker in a given language: correcting capitalization on names, coding mistyped countries

05:05:43 ben_vulpes: unbalanced: the term is "asshat"

05:06:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13507 @ 0.00040429 = 5.4607 BTC [-]

05:07:26 unbalanced: Ohhhh that's why I get called asshat all the time.

05:07:54 unbalanced: But the question is, how do people driving by know I lurk here?

05:09:37 BingoBoingo: 'Ernest Gallo told and re-told a story about driving through Atlanta and spotting a man drinking on the sidewalk. ?What?s the word?? Gallo called out. The response was instantaneous: ?Thunderbird!? and both the wino and the millionaire dissolved into laughter.'

05:10:54 unbalanced: mircea_popescu: yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything there... I was hoping for an API to hook into but my needs are custom enough I'll likely have to roll my own UI anyway.

05:11:06 BingoBoingo: "Not surprisingly, this misguided attempt at respectability failed. Thereafter, Gallo disassociated itself from Thunderbird by simply removing the Gallo name from the Thunderbird label."

05:11:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00040466 = 1.214 BTC [+]

05:12:39 BingoBoingo: "Television ads featured the fictional characters ?Frank Bartles? and ?Ed Jaymes,? two kindly old men so honest and down-to-earth they ended each spot by thanking viewers ?for your support.?"

05:13:46 ben_vulpes: dude

05:13:52 ben_vulpes: everything in the ruby world is abandonware

05:15:18 BingoBoingo: !up unbalanced

05:16:03 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: what do you seriously expect from the language that spawned the framework that killed vircurex

05:16:42 unbalanced: Thanks Bingo

05:17:13 BingoBoingo: For people lacking history Vircurex was what cryptsy aspired to be until Vircurex was robbed to the point no one bothered robbing it anymore

05:18:19 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it also runs davout's thing

05:18:37 unbalanced: We get a lot of data coming in where users enter things like "NHL" "Nat'l Hockey League" "N.H.l." or umpteen other bastardizations of whatever the short text field is asking for.

05:19:16 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Davout also cares enough though to run off of a name. Vircurex was run by "Kumala" who even mircea_popescu doesn't care enough about to dox.

05:23:13 unbalanced: I can reduce the data cleaning chore via buzzword compliance: gamification, cryptocurrency, micropayments... child labor... addictive push notifications, the whole nine yeards.

05:24:02 unbalanced: Purely scratching my own itch there. Not proposing a wetware CPU startup. No Tesla coming out of this one, just fewer manual SQL statements.

05:26:06 unbalanced: Bingo, I get Bartles & Jaymes confused with the two cranberry farmers standing out in the marsh in their hip-waders

05:27:12 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> everything in the ruby world is abandonware << everything in the webworld is abandonware.

05:27:18 mircea_popescu: brace yourself for THAT discovery.

05:27:21 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Maybe that is the point of the exercise. Everything one could want to know about "marketing" can be learned from Modern Drunkard.

05:29:43 unbalanced: I will be sure to leave branded empties near schoolyards like the Gallo salesment.

05:30:00 BingoBoingo: !up arvicco

05:31:06 asciilifeform: 'bitwork' << see also 'mechanical turk'

05:31:11 asciilifeform: (yes, named for the chess 'machine')

05:31:30 asciilifeform: it is, afaik, unique for one thing - being a haven of sp4mz0rz on both sides of the equation

05:31:41 asciilifeform: that is, most if not all of the jobs, last i checked, pertained to spam

05:31:42 unbalanced: Yes, I remember when Amazon came out with theirs, I read that story...

05:31:55 asciilifeform: but quite likely most of the 'workers' are also (secretly) bots.

05:31:57 unbalanced: (about the magical machine)

05:32:27 asciilifeform: ok i have no idea about others, but all of -mine- were bots, lol

05:33:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00041502 = 5.748 BTC [+]

05:33:51 unbalanced: Heh. For data coding I think I'd have to limit use to trusted/trained users... hence my child labor crack.

05:34:06 unbalanced: We'll whip up a few pages where a few seniors and students can tap big colourful rectangles to make their selections.

05:34:27 unbalanced: Instead of surfing Pinterest or trying to get Flappy Bird further along.

05:35:07 unbalanced: Steve Jobs is training the work force of the future, who knew?

05:35:29 unbalanced: Tap and flick your way to a food pellet and a little more water in your dish!

05:35:31 asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg

05:35:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zywFMk )

05:35:39 asciilifeform: ^ 'workforce'

05:35:52 ben_vulpes: there's a particularly good sci fi story about people who lease their wetware out during the day, are monitored for minute reactions.

05:35:59 BingoBoingo: Twerkforce!!!

05:36:00 ben_vulpes: damned if i can remember it.

05:36:23 unbalanced: That's a lot of electricity for a Chinese prison.

05:36:46 []bot: Bet placed: 13.12 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 7(Y):93(N) by weight. Total bet: 23.34534479 BTC. Current weight: 91,074.

05:36:49 asciilifeform: gurlfarm

05:36:59 ben_vulpes: bitbet volume up this month?

05:37:56 unbalanced: Careful asciilifeform she's probably watching us right now.

05:38:58 unbalanced: Did I see a bitbet.py somewhere in the past month or so? That sounded neat.

05:39:16 BingoBoingo: Megalol >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2ws5jn/should_i_dox_myself_for_3/

05:39:19 assbot: Should I dox myself for $3? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/18fsqic )

05:39:29 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: The classical bitbet.py is useful

05:40:52 ben_vulpes: okay i lost a weekend to ruby dependency hell

05:41:00 ben_vulpes: can i say something dramatic yet?

05:41:54 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how'd ya like to lose a week to http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c?annotate=1.34&only_with_tag=MAIN

05:41:58 assbot: src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c - annotate - 1.34 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyxapO )

05:44:07 *: BingoBoingo is still convinced NetBSD is a largely Jap fascination much like tentacle porn

05:45:52 BingoBoingo: !up unbalanced

05:46:35 *: BingoBoingo seriously though NEtBSD was for people who wanted sudo on their toasters

05:46:55 asciilifeform: on dead squirrels

05:47:03 BingoBoingo: That too.

05:47:09 asciilifeform: toaster - luxury, can run freebsd

05:47:14 BingoBoingo: I mean... Borked SATA drivers???

05:47:21 asciilifeform: borked on marvell

05:47:51 asciilifeform: and, supposedly, only for certain drives

05:47:57 asciilifeform: but happens to include all the ones i could find here

05:48:02 BingoBoingo: Ah

05:48:55 BingoBoingo: Building bitcoin-qt through an exercise that largely involved deleting makes me wonder what other applications I could improve for my own use by deleting code

05:49:45 ben_vulpes: muntz on, good sir.

05:50:18 BingoBoingo: I'm thinking "Midori" web browser might be a next candidate

05:51:21 BingoBoingo: !up FabianB

05:51:59 *: BingoBoingo offers "midori" web browser particularly because all C

05:52:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00041675 = 8.1266 BTC [+] {2}

05:53:27 asciilifeform: what other applications I could improve for my own use by deleting << kernels

05:54:42 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Exactly. I'm just now discovering the power of the delete key and like a toddler want to use it on everything.

05:55:35 BingoBoingo: http://www.returnofkings.com/16637/negative-hiv-tests-for-sale?ModPagespeed=noscript

05:55:37 assbot: Negative HIV Tests For Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyyrNE )

05:56:03 asciilifeform: wat

05:56:18 BingoBoingo: RC4, delete; NTFS, delete;

05:57:48 BingoBoingo: sshd, delete

05:59:21 BingoBoingo: !up dgeats

06:00:09 cazalla: lol http://google.com.vn/

06:00:10 assbot: Google ... ( http://bit.ly/18fth2C )

06:00:34 asciilifeform: cazalla: what of it

06:01:09 cazalla: ah maybe i am getting cached ver, someone elses ss http://i.imgur.com/wMScgY6.png

06:01:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18ftliA )

06:01:54 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yeah, I saw boring google, bot lulzfest you screencapped

06:02:16 cazalla: not my screencap but i still see it

06:03:49 BingoBoingo: You know copyrastas got too much power when people want to price gouge antihelminthics http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/02/20/more_price_hikes_on_obscure_medication.php

06:03:50 assbot: More Price Hikes on Obscure Medication. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyzbST )

06:04:48 asciilifeform: ^ 'intellectual property' in one paragraph.

06:04:56 asciilifeform: 'If Shkreli acquires Biltricide from Bayer, he plans to raise the price of the drug to $100,000 for a single-day course of treatment, according to people briefed on Turing's business plans. No other changes or improvements to the drug will be made by Turing. The extra revenue generated by Biltricide is expected to earn Turing a fast profit for its investors and help defray the cost of developing other, experimental drugs, sour

06:04:56 asciilifeform: ces said.'

06:06:19 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Best part is people who generally need antihelminthics... generally could not afford "aspirin"

06:06:51 asciilifeform: target market is presumably wealthy usian tourists to the turd world

06:07:12 asciilifeform: who manage to get very, very lucky

06:07:17 BingoBoingo: lol

06:07:39 cazalla: what a fucking other fucker.. just chipped my front tooth after only having it fixed like a month ago

06:07:43 cazalla: mother fucker even

06:08:00 asciilifeform: i bet it costs less to have all the shareholders shot in the head

06:08:15 asciilifeform: than what the patients, collectively, might pay for the product.

06:08:36 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Welcome to the wonderful world of ceramics

06:11:27 *: BingoBoingo finds it amazing that maximally empowered copyrastas would have te rest of humanity die by worms

06:11:27 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

06:11:45 asciilifeform: the 100k fella didn't mention funding worm spread

06:11:52 asciilifeform: but it seems like logical next step.

06:11:59 asciilifeform: to maximize investor returns!

06:12:56 BingoBoingo: No need to fund worm spread. Spread well enough on their own

06:13:58 asciilifeform: whether 'on their own' is 'well enough' is for the shareholders to decide.

06:14:03 cazalla: BingoBoingo, black people sorta ruined gold teeth didn't they?

06:14:16 BingoBoingo: Only necessary ingredient is pricing drug out of veterinary practice

06:14:29 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Mercury amalgam is still a thing

06:16:18 cazalla: BingoBoingo, that'd still look like i had bling done

06:16:28 BingoBoingo: Maybe?

06:20:58 BingoBoingo: Aesthetics can only put up so much of a fight against engineering

06:21:24 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you at least understand the toolchain with which you grapple.

06:21:51 cazalla: i don't wanna live in a world where i have to bling up my front teeth just to eat a peach without chipping a tooth

06:21:54 asciilifeform: mercifully little there is of it

06:22:08 cazalla: i'd claim shoddy work but the crown this guy did, never had an issue

06:23:25 BingoBoingo: cazalla: You have to understand replacement material involve necessary compromise

06:26:53 asciilifeform: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/BelsenIncident.html << historical interest

06:26:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyBplh )

06:27:02 cazalla: food needs to adjust to fit the way my teeth see the world BingoBoingo

06:27:05 asciilifeform: re: solzhenitsyn's axe theorem

06:29:35 asciilifeform: incidentally modern jailers learned from this and other historical lulz

06:29:44 asciilifeform: they do not wear sidearms inside the 'wire'.

06:32:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00041854 = 4.6876 BTC [+] {2}

06:34:39 BingoBoingo: And yet USia's jailing class plagiarizes their German predecessors without attribution

06:35:52 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Once you need fillings in "working locations" the choices are metallic and durable or "natural" and the dentist's annuity

06:36:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plagiarizes - lol. where in the world were the first modern gassings? not germany

06:37:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The gassing are not the plagiarism. The humane safety aspects are.

06:40:28 BingoBoingo: "No firearms in the zoo" was a very German reform

06:43:31 BingoBoingo: Oh, return of kink has a rough gem http://www.returnofkings.com/1977/france-is-in-big-trouble

06:43:33 assbot: France Is In Big Trouble ... ( http://bit.ly/1BaYujR )

06:45:26 asciilifeform: 'In all of the discussions, H?ss is quite matter-of-fact and apathetic, shows some belated interest in the enormity of his crime, but gives the impression that it never would have occurred to him if somebody hadn?t asked him. There is too much apathy to leave any suggestion of remorse and even the prospect of hanging does not unduly stress him. One gets the general impression of a man who is intellectually normal, but with

06:45:26 asciilifeform: the schizoid apathy, insensitivity and lack of empathy that could hardly be more extreme in a frank psychotic' << could be a description of virtually any

06:45:33 asciilifeform: any 'plum book' usg

06:48:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00041258 = 6.1062 BTC [-]

06:52:32 BingoBoingo: Related http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/22/thousands-of-inmates-to-be-transferred-after-unrest-at-texas-prison

06:52:34 assbot: Thousands of inmates to be transferred after unrest at Texas prison | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bb1hd3 )

06:52:58 BingoBoingo: "The inmates broke out of their housing structures and converged in the recreation yard, setting fire to several kevlar domes, or tents, that serve as prison housing, the paper said."

06:54:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'kevlar' isn't flammable per se...

06:54:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Plenty flame-abru in practice

06:55:49 BingoBoingo: Hydrocarbon and flourocarbon polymers break down into their more flamable constituents

06:57:33 *: BingoBoingo wonders if maybe he should have watched the oscars if it inspired this much butthurt this year http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/02/23/oscars_best_picture_winner_birdman_boyhood_snub_is_the_academy_s_worst_mistake.html

06:57:35 assbot: Oscars best picture winner Birdman: Boyhood snub is the Academy’s worst mistake in 20 years. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AAy7Av )

07:01:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11327 @ 0.00040466 = 4.5836 BTC [-]

07:02:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5923 @ 0.00040466 = 2.3968 BTC [-]

07:03:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00040466 = 2.6708 BTC [-]

07:08:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00040799 = 2.8151 BTC [+]

07:10:56 ben_vulpes: ahaha and then ruby ecosystem just falls over en masse without libreadline6-dev on the machine. no warnings at compile or until i go to actually run this hellspawn rails app

07:13:37 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You know... sbcl is available nearly everywhere...

07:19:29 BingoBoingo: Why OpenBSD dev's hate FreeBSD devs https://twitter.com/MiodVallat/status/569753224179261440

07:19:31 assbot: /hashtag/Kamailio?src=hash and /hashtag/LibreSSL?src=hash does not play together. Problems with CRYPTO_set_mem_functions

07:30:34 BingoBoingo: !up sergiohlb

07:32:02 sergiohlb: thank you

07:32:18 BingoBoingo: yOU'RE WELCOME

07:45:15 mircea_popescu: unbalanced: Instead of surfing Pinterest or trying to get Flappy Bird further along. << there's something fundamentally naive about one imagining he can extract useful work out of an assemblage of idiots.

07:50:58 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that site with the idiotic "from around the web" "weird tricks" etc spam

07:52:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62765 @ 0.00040336 = 25.3169 BTC [-] {2}

07:53:26 mircea_popescu: re "100k/dose" : praziquantel is a simple molecule easy to synth. everyone'll just use the indian version and that's that.

07:53:32 mircea_popescu: let us bezzle outbezzle itself to all fuck.

07:53:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00040965 = 14.2353 BTC [+] {2}

07:55:23 Adlai: "praziquantel is a simple molecule easy to synth." << easiest way to get accurate info on the internet is to spew nonsense and wait to be corrected? :P

07:55:50 mircea_popescu: no ?

07:57:01 mircea_popescu: which part dja have trouble with ?

07:58:56 *: Adlai lets the professional chemists weigh in, this is outside his pay grade

08:00:11 mircea_popescu: it's about 50yo you know.

08:02:06 Adlai: that has zero relevance to ease of synthesis

08:02:22 mircea_popescu: ...

08:03:12 mircea_popescu: what do you think happened in the past half century, chemistry got HARDER ?

08:11:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the jew thing : so ho got her man. rest of the "respectable" cunts, ineffectual as all "respectable" cunts.

08:11:14 mircea_popescu: nothing new under the sun.

08:15:58 cazalla: anyone else seen qntra as #2 on hackernews atm?

08:17:09 mircea_popescu: yup

08:17:48 mircea_popescu: nice going bb.

08:18:13 cazalla: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=qntra.net&src=typd

08:18:15 assbot: qntra.net - Twitter Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1vrw16V )

08:19:00 ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9093147 << sure thing shill

08:19:02 assbot: But that's entirely because they have to comply with federal law, not because th... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vrw56L )

08:19:28 mircea_popescu: break a bad law rather than comply with it.

08:19:31 mircea_popescu: "have to" my foot.

08:19:52 mircea_popescu: "all the other guys were fucking her, I had to rape her a little too!!1 "

08:20:18 ben_vulpes: can't win for losing

08:21:13 mircea_popescu: the fucking shrem defense. "i'm not an asshole, i just had to behave like one. but my real me is still intact! i'm a narcissist, my actions don't describe me!"

08:21:45 ben_vulpes: shutter your busines to play guitar and avoid feds risk: get exiled from la serenissima. play with the feds: get exiled. exile yourself from the us, wither on the vine of unprofitability.

08:22:04 ben_vulpes: makes me wonder what those of us desperately milking the bezzle of what drops it yields will be castigated with.

08:22:07 mircea_popescu: the choices that all suck

08:22:36 ben_vulpes: show me some that don't, eh?

08:22:48 ben_vulpes: it's war, there's no winning.

08:22:50 mircea_popescu: i'm only showing alf, he's got the ip on iot.

08:23:16 mircea_popescu: shutter your busines to play guitar and avoid feds risk: get exiled from la serenissima << who was this ?

08:23:35 ben_vulpes: you wrote about him at one point.

08:23:46 ben_vulpes: recently, i might add.

08:23:50 mircea_popescu: that narrows it down...

08:28:15 ben_vulpes: well i can't find it.

08:28:38 ben_vulpes: some bitcointalk.org person who shuttered their own operation preemptively.

08:28:56 mircea_popescu: you don't mean the gerald davis / death&taxes guy ?

08:29:13 ben_vulpes: wasn't he just wrong?

08:29:57 ben_vulpes: ah no

08:29:58 mircea_popescu: a year ago ?

08:30:10 ben_vulpes: i am simply low on brain and reading comprehension this evening.

08:30:14 mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit some dude shutters his business

08:30:15 *: ben_vulpes rereads the article in question

08:30:27 mircea_popescu: but if he comes back 18 months later as an expert witness on the shithead parade...

08:30:38 mircea_popescu: he's going to get asked a few hard questions. such as, "who the fuck is paying your bills."

08:31:48 ben_vulpes: i see, i see.

08:32:09 ben_vulpes: (little, late and only with others' light)

08:32:59 mircea_popescu: note that he's actually not answered it, either.

08:33:32 mircea_popescu: went in without a plan. rather typical of the entirely fucktarded level of these people lately.

08:33:44 mircea_popescu: "nobody could have foreseen we'd get asked questions..."

08:35:14 ben_vulpes: while i'm up and it's quiet, what is the point of this new 'license' of yours?

08:35:54 ben_vulpes: on the face of it (and granted, i'm tired and slow), it seems this license would only ever prevent folks from using anything so licensed.

08:36:11 *: ben_vulpes rereads *again*

08:36:59 ben_vulpes: is it one of those "virulent" licenses? that nominally made things into which their licensed source was rolled also "open" source?

08:37:47 mircea_popescu: it just makes it impossible for fiat businesses to use any of our software.

08:40:22 ben_vulpes: more software. just what the world needs.

08:41:19 mircea_popescu: it's just a logical gate is all.

08:41:30 mircea_popescu: only allows flow one way.

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09:04:06 mats: https://github.com/80vul/phpcodz/blob/master/research/pch-020.md rip ya ten year old workhorse

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10:44:44 punkman: asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing

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10:48:37 punkman: unbalanced: Did I see a bitbet.py somewhere in the past month or so? That sounded neat. << you can find my bitbet calculator/tracker here https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py

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11:04:27 punkman: unbalanced: I can reduce the data cleaning chore << punkman occasionally does data-cleaning/dedupe/linkage/acquisition work for hire

11:14:02 punkman: BingoBoingo: cazalla: Once you need fillings in "working locations" the choices are metallic and durable or "natural" and the dentist's annuity << better dentist also helps. I have a couple front teeth chips with the "natural" fillings, never had to replace.

11:23:23 cazalla: punkman, i've had the left front tooth done about 10 years back, that one has lasted, right one around the same time but it got chipped months back, bit pissed off this one has chipped so early but i gnaw bones and shit too so who knows

11:23:40 fluffypony: cazalla: are you a dingo?

11:23:42 punkman: don't gnaw bones :P

11:24:03 cazalla: ya don't love a good bone?

11:24:41 punkman: asciilifeform: picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres << I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre

11:26:55 punkman: cazalla, sure had a nice lamb roast yesterday.

11:27:02 cazalla: hey me too

11:27:38 punkman: today is octopus day, also known as Clean Monday

11:30:30 cazalla: i wish we could get good seafood here, a lot of it is shipped in from interstate or worse

11:32:37 punkman: mediterranean is fucked too, we have to import a lot of ocean fish

11:42:26 mats: 5:44:43 <+punkman> asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing <<

11:42:45 mats: has really awful withdrawals

11:43:31 punkman: (also nothing to do with vaccine)

11:47:00 punkman: mats, is it any better than methadone?

11:53:57 mats: its safer, but folks sometimes develop suicidal ideation after a few months

11:54:29 mats: and from all reports it seems thats preferable to beating withdrawal

11:56:03 mats: http://nationalpainreport.com/suboxone-new-drug-epidemic-8821747.html

11:56:05 assbot: Suboxone: The New Drug Epidemic? - National Pain Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1BFnijJ )

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12:37:41 BingoBoingo: <mats> 5:44:43 <+punkman> asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing << Suboxone is not vaccine, merely partial agonist, does not trigger immune response

12:37:51 BingoBoingo: effect also lacks permanence

12:47:26 chetty: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-governments-stupid-tax-war-on-expatriates-2015-02-20?dist=beforebell

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13:00:01 punkman: " the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped 14% to a new record last year. While the official number is “only” 3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the number who may follow suit is in the millions."

13:01:40 punkman: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1502.2/04059.html

13:01:41 assbot: Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.0-rc1 out.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AByNFS )

13:01:57 punkman: "Because the people have spoken, and while most of it was complete gibberish, numbers don't lie. People preferred 4.0, and 4.0 it shall be. Unless somebody can come up with a good argument against it."

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13:10:59 danielpbarron: height=220362 vs height=190061

13:11:06 chetty: <punkman> " the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped 14% to a new record last year. While the official number is ?only? 3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the number who may follow suit is in the millions."// its very simply a new sort of 'wall'

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13:54:35 PeterL: asciilifeform: RE stuff made in Africa: some of my clothes are made in sub-saharan africa

13:56:12 BingoBoingo: lol, "should we really be blaming superfish?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9093691

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14:53:46 mats: http://imgur.com/9otHhB7

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14:56:03 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/vEpz9Kz.gif

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14:57:47 mircea_popescu: "i am a white male" orly.

14:59:01 Adlai: 3rd ¶ reeks of lamarckism

14:59:48 mircea_popescu: ahaha young father, is 27.

14:59:55 mircea_popescu: what the shit.

15:00:43 mircea_popescu: ima use this thing as a teaching aid.

15:01:42 mircea_popescu: wait, wants to impregnate woman next month ?

15:01:47 mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people.

15:03:14 nubbins`: or 13 months from now

15:03:17 nubbins`: but by then he'll be 28

15:03:43 mircea_popescu: nono he doesn't want to wait a full year

15:03:49 mircea_popescu: besides by then dota 5 will be out

15:03:50 nubbins`: this TLP blog is fun to read but i feel like reading it makes me feel like i understand things better than i actually do

15:04:00 nubbins`: dota 5? /me cuts off dick, throws in trash

15:04:42 mircea_popescu: don't get drastic nubbins`

15:04:45 mircea_popescu: your dick can have middle lane.

15:05:45 nubbins`: better middle lane than middling pain

15:06:15 nubbins`: oh, here's one about women wearing makeup

15:06:18 *: nubbins` rubs hands together

15:06:30 mircea_popescu: you know back before the world went nuts, my mother was in the maternity ward about to deliver me, as a 22 yo college grad.

15:06:39 mircea_popescu: with her, a 17yo and a 18yo

15:06:45 mircea_popescu: doctor berated her for "waiting so long!"

15:07:45 nubbins`: 22yo college grad, now there's a thing you see less and less

15:07:56 nubbins`: "i'm taking a year to find myself"

15:08:03 nubbins`: "i'm doing __ for my gap year"

15:08:20 nubbins`: ^ why not just be honest to yourself ;/

15:08:25 mircea_popescu: ya srsly.

15:08:32 mircea_popescu: it was fucking shameful then to not have a degree by 22.

15:08:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, my dad was 23 (army). and nofcuking body thought this is young.

15:09:07 mircea_popescu: everyone thought this is werdly late, but fucken intellectuals, nutty.

15:11:36 nubbins`: i'm not sure what romania was like in the late 70s but i feel like the average age of post-secondary graduation directly correlates to how soft things are in that place

15:11:47 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> cuz you liked teh woman, foo. << i see this coming

15:12:33 mircea_popescu: nubbins` let me put it this way : romania had mandatory universal male draft.

15:12:42 mircea_popescu: 9 months IF you went to college. 15 otherwise.

15:12:46 nubbins`: heh

15:12:59 nubbins`: a lot can happen in 6 months in the armed forces

15:13:13 nubbins`: second-best korea still has this, btw

15:13:16 mircea_popescu: like what, derpy dude gets weaned ?

15:13:19 nubbins`: i think it's two years tho

15:13:31 mircea_popescu: many countries still do, esp in the east of russia.

15:13:53 nubbins`: upside of this is that every korean male, at least ostensibly, earned a blackbelt in taekwondo

15:13:54 mircea_popescu: i don't believe it's a bad idea. if shiva tasked me with fixing west, it's one of the first things i'd do.

15:14:02 nubbins`: but, y'know. "earned".

15:14:22 mircea_popescu: fail that, castration.

15:14:22 nubbins`: a universal draft would fix the west?

15:14:32 nubbins`: wait, no, i see it

15:14:38 nubbins`: wasn't looking ahead far enough 8)

15:15:02 mircea_popescu: nubbins` 9 months with gunnery sargeant hartman, on the understanding that if you fail you get your balls chopped off and spend the rest of your life = the next few years chained to a wall in a brothel for arab fags.

15:15:46 nubbins`: see, thing is

15:15:48 mircea_popescu: meanwhile teh girls can learn useful lyf skills. http://33.media.tumblr.com/66bf2bc1ffec28419c2963ad2ff6f001/tumblr_ngxp86d8to1rdc5oto1_400.gif

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15:16:03 nubbins`: once everyone's in the military, they gotta /do something/ with all these soldiers!

15:16:10 mircea_popescu: paint rocks.

15:16:14 nubbins`: too passive

15:16:20 danielpbarron: have you played dota or just heard of it?

15:16:26 nubbins`: i think it's a video game

15:16:30 mircea_popescu: romania had universal draft for a century, never started a war.

15:16:36 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i just heard of it.

15:16:41 nubbins`: romania was a different brand of retarded

15:17:15 nubbins`: you think if the american military suddenly is awash in bodies, they won't start sending them places for the sake of doing it?

15:17:24 mircea_popescu: but i think it's the one derived from old warcraft 2, except you get a single hero and no "resources" per se, get wood/gold to level them by killing npcs

15:17:37 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i'd be running things, not fucking dod.

15:17:42 Adlai: "paint rocks." << there's this idf saying: "if it moves, salute it; if it doesn't, pick it up; if you can't, paint it"

15:17:45 nubbins`: wood? sounds like die siedler von catan

15:17:47 mircea_popescu: i'd have them handpicking cotton if it comes to it.

15:18:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i meant "resources" as in warcraft2. whatever, vespene gas and the othe rone

15:18:12 mircea_popescu: i think in dota it's "gold" and "experience"

15:18:20 *: nubbins` shrugs helplessly

15:18:23 danielpbarron: pretty much, except it was warcraft3 (some might say it started in starcraft as Aeon of Strife)

15:18:31 mircea_popescu: Adlai sounds bout right.

15:18:46 nubbins`: mircea_popescu you most certainly wouldn't. you'd have them fighting overseas!

15:18:57 mircea_popescu: no i wouldn't.

15:19:40 nubbins`: i'm talking about the "you" that doesn't exist, but in this alternate world where you'd be ostensibly an american in charge of american troops

15:20:03 mircea_popescu: the ONLY way i'd have them fighting overseas is if congress approves this plan whereby a) all territory we step on gets granted territory status ; b) soldiers once veteranized are rewarded in homesteads there, and HAVE TO marry local

15:20:17 nubbins`: o look

15:20:24 mircea_popescu: either do it right or don't do it.

15:20:42 mike_c: machiavelli would say that obama should go live there awhile.

15:20:58 mircea_popescu: hey, i wouldn't have any problem living with these dudes.

15:21:09 mircea_popescu: it's the New Whiner York that i don't care for.

15:21:56 asciilifeform: traditional ru draft << plenty of derppathologies there despite the mega-curative 1yr painting grass green

15:21:59 mike_c: he said when you conquer, the prince has got to go live there to make the locals happy. and it sounds right to me.

15:22:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevertheless.

15:22:45 mircea_popescu: imagine, you sign up for the military, you get the guarantee that you'll be pushing shit uphill for a coupla decades, then when you're fortysomething you get a farm and an ethnic bride.

15:23:06 mike_c: worked for rome

15:23:06 asciilifeform: civis romanus sum!

15:23:09 mircea_popescu: "army'll make men out of you. dead or alive - that's up to you."

15:23:12 mircea_popescu: new slogan.

15:23:46 mircea_popescu: none of this "army of one" narcisiac bs.

15:23:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that one was actually cancelled

15:24:07 mircea_popescu: not FPS enough ?

15:24:14 mircea_popescu: is it "army of just you" now ?

15:24:26 asciilifeform: iirc the last one i saw was 'be all you can be'

15:24:44 mike_c: be all you can be was before army of one as far as i remember

15:24:51 asciilifeform: then dunno

15:25:04 mike_c: "army strong" is current

15:25:12 mircea_popescu: aww, they missed out on the obvious neuroticism ? "be all you can be. and more." ???

15:25:18 mike_c: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogans_of_the_United_States_Army

15:25:19 assbot: Slogans of the United States Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnwFmn )

15:25:32 mircea_popescu: mike_c apparently reading comprehension on the downtrend huh ?

15:25:37 mircea_popescu: maybe next is "Nice. Good."

15:25:46 mike_c: army gud 4 u

15:25:59 mircea_popescu: gud4u, gud4me!

15:26:17 nubbins`: i thought boston was strong

15:26:21 nubbins`: the army is too?

15:26:24 mircea_popescu: boston took over.

15:26:35 *: nubbins` counts bombs

15:26:36 nubbins`: hmmm

15:26:36 mircea_popescu: they're not even allowing those wisconsin and indiana poofters in.

15:26:45 asciilifeform: i occasionally dig into vintage u.s. newspapers, magazines. interestingly, army ads from the '50s-'60s dwell on the 'sharp look' of the uniform.

15:27:05 asciilifeform: 'be sharp, look sharp'

15:27:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, that was calculated. what happened in 1945-49 ?

15:27:10 nubbins`: ^ my dad was married in his (canadian) coast guard uniform

15:27:18 mircea_popescu: all the kids that were 10 then musta noticed the flurry of panties

15:27:22 mircea_popescu: so... gotta sell it.

15:27:43 nubbins`: sure

15:27:46 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's that like, elk horn hat, maple syrup pants ?

15:27:52 nubbins`: heh.

15:27:53 asciilifeform: it's almost a wonder that 18th c. 'gussar' uniforms didn't make a comeback

15:27:56 asciilifeform: complete with hat

15:28:17 nubbins`: double-button jacket w/ gold trim on the cuffs

15:28:20 nubbins`: epaulettes too, i guess

15:28:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, you could make some pretty epic uniforms for the drone flying division

15:28:23 mircea_popescu: they're indoors anyway

15:28:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: precisely

15:28:43 asciilifeform: they really ought to wear their napoleonic best

15:28:50 nubbins`: well, looking like a slob was a lot less acceptable in the 50s-60s too

15:28:55 nubbins`: it's almost expected now

15:29:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform traditional ru draft << plenty of derppathologies << yes. but they're pathologies rather than the fucking core.

15:30:10 asciilifeform: when i worked for (not in, must note) u.s. army, the thing that always got me was the pixellation on their camos

15:30:30 thestringpuller: nubbins`: 22yo college grad, now there's a thing you see less and less << took me 7 years to get through GATech. Failed Calculus like 9 times.

15:30:35 asciilifeform: everyone looked like the weakest monster from 'doom'

15:31:16 mircea_popescu: punkman: I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre <<< you don't understand how immune works! you can only target particular proteins, which coke is not.

15:31:40 asciilifeform: also the notion of deploying immune reaction against small molecule...

15:31:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mooks lol

15:31:50 asciilifeform: srsly pixels

15:31:58 mircea_popescu: cheaper.

15:32:10 asciilifeform: big enough to see from musketry range

15:32:36 asciilifeform: i caught myself wondering if it was designed in 'ms paint'

15:33:32 mircea_popescu: how often would you say an us army / marine / etc fights within visual range of anything that'd even remotely qualify as an enemy ?

15:33:40 PeterL: creating immune response to small molecules would be hard to controll, you would just end up allergic to everything

15:33:41 mircea_popescu: such as i dunno, a bush an enemy pissed on sometime this week

15:33:56 mircea_popescu: PeterL fortunately body's smarter than you, won't take.

15:34:19 *: asciilifeform read up on the cocaine vaccine thing. will note that even if it works as claimed (no blood-brain barrier penetration) - the net effect, if everybody were injected, is simply to multiply the standard dose of coke for man by 1.5x or so

15:34:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2015#1030406 << look at that, marketwatch is reading last year's b-a logs

15:34:29 assbot: Logged on 23-02-2015 13:00:01; punkman: " the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped 14% to a new record last year. While the official number is “only” 3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the number who may follow suit is in the millions."

15:35:54 mircea_popescu: "So far, the arguments against it seem to have been "major numebr

15:35:54 mircea_popescu: should go with a major new feature or breaking of compatibility",

15:35:54 mircea_popescu: which just shows how little people know. We don't break compatibility,

15:35:54 mircea_popescu: and we haven't done feature-based releases since basically forever."

15:35:57 mircea_popescu: gotta love torvalds lol

15:36:23 nubbins`: asciilifeform so the cocaine sold in usa would now have to be 30-40% pure instead of 20%?

15:36:31 asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha

15:36:42 nubbins`: that's gonna hit the glucosamine suppliers where it hurts.

15:36:56 asciilifeform: nubbins`: the coke 'barons' would be the first to push for 'vaccine' if it had any threat of working

15:37:14 nubbins`: (phun phact, gym rats like coke and weighlifting supplements are invariably white powders)

15:38:06 mircea_popescu: i guess i will annoy everyone if i say i'm not particularly fond of coke ?

15:38:44 *: asciilifeform hasn't used it, cannot say if fond or not

15:39:00 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is the point of living in wash dc

15:39:05 mircea_popescu: srsly now.

15:39:09 nubbins`: also have never tried coke

15:39:22 nubbins`: i like things way too much to justify trying it

15:39:59 nubbins`: besides, i definitely do not want to snort weightlifting supplements

15:40:32 mircea_popescu: i don't think you can confuse cocaine with anything else.

15:40:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think he're referring to the dilutants

15:41:05 mircea_popescu: so buy it clean cut it with sugar.

15:41:44 asciilifeform: iirc this is not usually possible in small quantity

15:42:35 asciilifeform: sorta like asking to have -one- aluminum cd pressed.

15:42:46 mircea_popescu: eh get out. they won't tell you this, but a good half of the captured stuff - on the street - is actually pure.

15:42:51 nubbins`: "so buy it clean" o.O

15:42:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: captured from dealers

15:43:03 nubbins`: ^

15:43:18 mircea_popescu: "dealers" doesn't mean what it used to mean 30 years ago.

15:43:28 asciilifeform: it is, as i understand, a severe taboo among them, to sell it undiluted

15:43:31 mircea_popescu: people are so fucking poor now a bag qualifies you as a wholesaler.

15:43:35 nubbins`: someone who isn't me has witnessed dealers receive new shipment, open bag, set several spoonfuls aside for sef, then dump 8-10 tbsp of random white in there

15:43:50 nubbins`: *self

15:44:07 nubbins`: if pure cocaine was sold here, people would overdose

15:44:16 mircea_popescu: nubbins` pure is the safest by far.

15:44:21 asciilifeform: i suppose if you have any schooling whatsoever, you can recrystallize it if you want

15:44:25 mircea_popescu: otherwise you accidentally hit a 50% as if it were a 20% and bam

15:44:33 nubbins`: asciilifeform you don't need schooling to make crack

15:44:50 nubbins`: mircea_popescu pure being the only thing around is safest, sure.

15:44:59 nubbins`: but dealers care less about safe and more about $$

15:45:06 asciilifeform: recrystallize != use it as crystal

15:45:08 asciilifeform: necessarily

15:45:15 nubbins`: do you think that guy even googled "can you snort glucosamine" before cutting his stash?

15:45:20 nubbins`: because i know for a fact that he didn't

15:45:26 mircea_popescu: actually iirc pulp fiction revolves around guy getting a proper bag and dumb ho hitting it as if it were the stuff she normally gets in clubs

15:45:39 nubbins`: mircea_popescu that was actually a bag of white heroin :D

15:45:45 nubbins`: that the girl snorted as coke

15:45:51 mircea_popescu: o it was ?

15:45:54 nubbins`: ya

15:45:58 mircea_popescu: yeah right, cause he was shooting it up yeah

15:46:02 nubbins`: hence her heart stopping, 3 stabs to chest, etc

15:46:07 mircea_popescu: right

15:46:15 nubbins`: ("no! you only stab her once!")

15:46:26 mircea_popescu: that was so fucking stupiod.

15:46:28 nubbins`: but for srs, people have heart attacks on coke all the time

15:46:34 mircea_popescu: what was that needle made out of, neutronium ?

15:46:57 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intracardiac_injection

15:46:58 assbot: Intracardiac injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnD40P )

15:47:17 asciilifeform: nubbins`: folks also have heart attacks in exercise, in the shitter, while shovelling dirt, etc.

15:47:46 nubbins`: asciilifeform: now imagine today's exercise/shit/dirt pile is at 100% (or even 80%) strength instead of 20%

15:47:53 nubbins`: but it looks the same

15:47:59 asciilifeform: nubbins`: well yes

15:48:04 nubbins`: :D

15:48:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the most common circumstance-driven attack is, older sedentary white male goes out to shovel snow.

15:48:14 nubbins`: this is why the purity of coke will not rise

15:48:15 mircea_popescu: goes back inside, warmth, poof.

15:48:31 asciilifeform: nubbins`: opiate users typically od, paradoxically, after successfully quitting and then doing a bit again 'for old time's sake'

15:48:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00039322 = 1.4942 BTC [-] {2}

15:48:37 mircea_popescu: ^

15:48:41 mircea_popescu: but that's heroin.

15:48:42 nubbins`: asciilifeform some of my favourite musicians died this way

15:48:44 asciilifeform: they take their customary dose, having lost the tolerance

15:48:50 nubbins`: bradley nowell, 1996, 7 days after marriage

15:48:50 asciilifeform: aha this is specific to opium

15:49:06 asciilifeform: e.g, death of vysotsky

15:49:10 thestringpuller: $bids mpoe

15:49:18 thestringpuller: ah

15:49:23 nubbins`: opiate users can reach terrifically high levels of tolerance

15:49:41 nubbins`: to the point where a dose lethal in another man will maybe stop their headache.

15:49:47 asciilifeform: lethal in elephant

15:49:56 *: nubbins` pulls out remaining stops

15:50:03 nubbins`: lethal in elephant!

15:50:42 nubbins`: anyway, worth noting that most recording musicians who tried heroin produced some of their best work while in the depths

15:51:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, clean gets you rid of all the stupid shit, anti worm medicine, drywall, w/e the fuck

15:51:15 nubbins`: ^

15:51:35 nubbins`: reminds me of the time SWIM bought some adulterated marijuana

15:51:38 nubbins`: (not kidding)

15:51:45 asciilifeform: i've always wondered why american dope aficionados don't follow the 1980s soviet example and all switch to making (or at least refining) what they use personally

15:52:04 nubbins`: y'know how good dope has that covered-in-crystal look from all the resin-y trichomes?

15:52:05 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which... everyone i suppose is familiar with the otherworldly beauty of potassium permanganate ?

15:52:13 asciilifeform: (the first popular dope in ussr was what is today called meth, but there was no market in the usual sense. folks who took it, usually made it)

15:52:21 nubbins`: well, shitty dope doesn't have that, but if you spritz it with saline...

15:52:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform got as better question for you. why do us dumb broads not switch to cooking at home ?

15:52:36 mircea_popescu: "oh, its a recession" "learned how to cook yet ?" "wut?!?!?!"

15:52:37 nubbins`: asciilifeform lack of skill.

15:52:40 nubbins`: asciilifeform:

15:52:43 nubbins`: ;;google krokodil

15:52:44 gribble: Krokodil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krokodil; Krokodil (Desomorphine) Drug: Effects, Abuse & Warnings - Drugs ...: http://www.drugs.com/illicit/krokodil.html; The World's Deadliest Drug: Inside a Krokodil Cookhouse | TIME: http://time.com/3398086/the-worlds-deadliest-drug-inside-a-krokodil-cookhouse/

15:52:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no idea. the woman - cooks

15:52:52 nubbins`: that's what they're cooking at home these days

15:53:04 mircea_popescu: yeah but you two aren't really people. you're in here.

15:53:20 asciilifeform: nubbins`: when opiates took off, the approach failed

15:53:39 nubbins`: no krokodil here, too many prescription opiates to abuse

15:53:54 nubbins`: until they took oxycontin off the market

15:54:00 nubbins`: and all the addicts just vanished

15:54:02 asciilifeform: not because harder to synthesize, but because not a performance-enhancer that sets one going strong in the kitchen thinking of new methods

15:54:03 nubbins`: OH WAIT THEY DIDN'T

15:54:12 mircea_popescu: is this krokodil thing actually as widely used as teh "horrors in russia" ussa press makes it sound /

15:54:13 nubbins`: heh

15:54:20 nubbins`: opiates are definitely not a production-enhancer

15:54:43 nubbins`: mircea_popescu seems like meth in the usa -- cheap, so poor destitute people in poor destitute towns love it

15:54:57 nubbins`: there's a short Vice documentary on it, if you can stand to watch

15:55:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my impression is that it isn't. just a very marginal synthesis with the byproducts left in, with various grotesque 'zombie' aesthetic of decaying user. makes up in sensationalism for what lacks in actual 'epidemiology.'

15:55:09 nubbins`: ;;google vice krokodil

15:55:10 gribble: Siberia: Krokodil Tears | VICE | United States: http://www.vice.com/video/siberia-krokodil-tears-full-length; Siberia: Krokodil Tears | VICE | United States: http://www.vice.com/video/siberia-krokodil-tears-part-1; Krokodil: Russia's Deadliest Drug (NSFW) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsUH8llvTZo

15:55:12 nubbins`: ^

15:55:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah i totally want to hear what vice has to say o.O

15:55:29 nubbins`: heh.

15:55:41 nubbins`: thye show people cooking it!

15:55:42 asciilifeform: fact is, every modern product 'for the poor' is a kind of krokodil

15:55:53 nubbins`: "now we add the eye drops" "why?" "makes it stronger"

15:55:54 nubbins`: ...

15:56:21 nubbins`: "now we collapse a major vein in our arms"

15:57:18 mircea_popescu: "why ? "

15:57:21 mircea_popescu: "makes it stronger"

15:57:26 nubbins`: heh

15:57:42 nubbins`: anyway, as actually derpy as everything Vice produces is

15:57:45 asciilifeform: 'stronger', if means anything, probably meant 'burns more when injected'

15:57:52 nubbins`: the krokodil doc is gross enough to distract from it

15:58:08 nubbins`: asciilifeform definitely was not an ingredient in the reaction they were trying to make occur.

15:58:24 nubbins`: something along the lines of the "chili powder" meth in breaking bad

15:58:25 mircea_popescu: "So what the hell do we buy now? HP's quality has hit rock bottom and is starting to dig, Lenovo is doing their best to destroy the Thinkpad brand, Asus is incapable of making a device without at least one fatal flaw... is Apple the only one making laptops that aren't garbage anymroe?"

15:58:31 mircea_popescu: methinks the consumer has a legitimate question

15:58:32 nubbins`: except you don't inject meth into your bloodstream

15:58:39 mircea_popescu: "what should i get for this weekend, meth or krok ?!~?!?!"

15:58:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to which there is no answer

15:58:49 mircea_popescu: not for him anyway.

15:58:52 asciilifeform: or rather, the answer from the film 'war games'

15:59:01 BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> except you don't inject meth into your bloodstream << Sometimes actually used in this manner

15:59:03 asciilifeform: 'the only winning move is: not to play'

15:59:17 nubbins`: BingoBoingo :0 i guess the chili powder will work about as well as the eyedrops, then

15:59:21 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

15:59:22 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.82, Best ask: 236.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.72000, Last trade: 236.57, 24 hour volume: 7044.67533017, 24 hour low: 232.05, 24 hour high: 238.87, 24 hour vwap: 235.887385513

15:59:59 asciilifeform: the basic concept, as PeterL (chemist?) will attest, is that a synthesis doesn't necessarily (and most often) produce only one thing. each step will result in one or more unwanted substances, including everything that failed to react in previous steps

16:00:15 asciilifeform: some of the costliest operations in traditional pharma industry are recrystallizations/purifications

16:01:00 asciilifeform: hence for every type of -synthetic- (vs. refined from vegetation) dope, there is at least one 'krokodilian' variant where the folks making it didn't see it fit to bother with this detail.

16:01:02 chetty: and todays propaganda prize goes to: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/revealed-the-countries-with-the-best-and-worst-diets-in-the-world-10057363.html

16:01:04 assbot: Revealed: the countries with the best and worst diets in the world - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnH69o )

16:01:41 asciilifeform: (anybody else here take o-chem in school... other than PeterL and i)

16:01:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7589 @ 0.00039394 = 2.9896 BTC [+]

16:02:45 BingoBoingo: Took a semester of o-chem in highschool

16:03:14 nubbins`: asciilifeform when i was in colombia, there was a byproduct called "bazouk" or similar

16:03:21 nubbins`: made from leavings of the coca process

16:03:32 asciilifeform: aha refinement waste, yes, also exists

16:03:58 nubbins`: colombia 7/10 would not revisit

16:03:59 PeterL: sometimes for o-chem reaction a 40% yield is a good day

16:04:12 asciilifeform: and not only for dope. in usa restaurants have been selling 'fashionable' multi-grain bread. which i fully expect is made from shavings of cutting other kinds of bread at the bakeries

16:04:14 BingoBoingo: chetty: Mega lol, Africa wins nutrition

16:04:27 nubbins`: heh.

16:04:39 asciilifeform: PeterL: 40% is a dream for 'cellar chemists'

16:04:45 nubbins`: betcha they use white flour with a handful of other grains mixed in

16:04:58 asciilifeform: who lack Pd/Pt catalysts, high-pressure vessels, even a proper vacuum

16:05:21 asciilifeform: and hence are more or less stuck with 1840s state of the art

16:05:27 *: nubbins` adds wheat germ, crushed flax, hempseed, rolled oats to bread

16:06:23 nubbins`: and it costs 20% of what store-bought devitaminized bread does!

16:06:36 PeterL: on some multi-step reactions, think 50% yield 4 times, and you are lucky to have 6% of what you started with

16:06:43 asciilifeform: aha

16:07:13 PeterL: alot of what I was doing the past 3 years involved trying to get %yields higher

16:07:25 asciilifeform: and the remaining filling in the flask, hasn't gone anywhere, but has to be removed somehow.

16:07:37 asciilifeform: this is what the clandestine chemists don't always bother with.

16:08:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32898 @ 0.0004124 = 13.5671 BTC [+]

16:27:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11178 @ 0.0004124 = 4.6098 BTC [+]

16:35:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (anybody else here take o-chem in school << originally, 9yo me despised ochem, because no great flames like sulphur | potassium chloride etc.

16:35:32 mircea_popescu: then me discovered nitropaper.

16:35:46 mircea_popescu: chetty so who has best diet ? japan ?

16:37:43 mircea_popescu: "Regarding the VCs, I would give them the benefit of the doubt as well. What where they pitched?"

16:37:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The list is all African countries.

16:38:00 mircea_popescu: motherfucker, why does everyone want to indemnify the vcs ? they're absolutely the only guilty party in all this.

16:38:43 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i have elementary knowledge of O-Chem. I love dat ATP Synthase (but who doesn't?)

16:39:11 BingoBoingo: The countries with the healthiest diets overall were: 1. Chad 2. Sierra Leone 3. Mali 4. Gambia 5. Uganda 6. Ghana 7. Ivory Coast 8. Senegal 9. Israel 10. Somalia

16:40:31 mircea_popescu: eh gtfo.

16:40:42 mircea_popescu: what was this based on, "Fewest fat fucks" ?

16:40:55 BingoBoingo: Prolly

16:41:35 mircea_popescu: "The most reliable street test in my opinion is actually the smell of cocaine, as it has a very distinct aroma that none of the additives possess. Unfortunately, for reference, this requires you to have smelt a lot of different cocaine of certain purities, and very few people have had that opportunity. Personally, I think I could estimate cocaine purity from its scent and from looking at and tasting a few milligrams, b

16:41:36 mircea_popescu: ut I?ve also handled quite a lot of different batches with known purities."

16:41:45 mircea_popescu: heh. known since forever.

16:42:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00041453 = 3.0882 BTC [+] {2}

16:48:44 mircea_popescu: and in the daily wtf : http://38.media.tumblr.com/7c2d7566582a69867da0b68c13787462/tumblr_ngsc6rN6OV1ty4fj6o1_500.gif

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16:51:59 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/coujwz2

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16:53:55 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> actually iirc pulp fiction revolves around guy getting a proper bag << pulp fiction doesn't "revolve around" anything -- kinda the point

16:54:02 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> asciilifeform actually the most common circumstance-driven attack is, older sedentary white male goes out to shovel snow. << LOL i just did such a thing / felt like i was gonna have a heart attack :/

16:54:39 mircea_popescu: it's dangerous. cool temperatures favor clot formation

16:57:49 BingoBoingo: !up cjc

16:58:05 cjc: BingoBoingo, thanks for the !up

17:01:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19001 @ 0.00040365 = 7.6698 BTC [-]

17:09:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00041496 = 3.7969 BTC [+]

17:13:29 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: re Pulp Fiction << revolves around that suitcase mainly, cept for "interlude of chick OD'ing"

17:14:00 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i still have nightmares about that butt rape scene.

17:14:14 thestringpuller: "Are you okay?" "Nah man." "I'm pretty fucking far from okay."

17:14:58 danielpbarron: Mr. About-to-spend-the-rest-of-his-short-life-in-agonizing-pain

17:15:30 danielpbarron: i wouldn't say it revolves around the suitcase

17:15:48 danielpbarron: the suitcase doesn't have much to do with the fixed boxing match

17:16:43 danielpbarron: i suppose all the different plots relate to marcellus wallace

17:16:50 thestringpuller: yea that interlude is only connected after jules retires and delivers the suitcase

17:17:27 danielpbarron: (the guy who gets butt raped)

17:17:29 thestringpuller: Yea I mean Wallace gets butt raped after he retrieves the suitcase. If that has any significance...I dunno

17:18:02 thestringpuller: "does he look like a bitch", well zed fucked him like one. Zed's dead, but you know...

17:18:12 danielpbarron: hah

17:18:51 cjc: There is fixation with ass there... the story of the watch is another one.

17:19:21 thestringpuller: oh christopher walken

17:19:50 thestringpuller: you guise are making me miss the 90's

17:25:11 mircea_popescu: yeah, pulp fiction revolves around tarantino's latent homosexuality.

17:25:11 cjc: One of the problems with the 90s was... when I bought Pulp Fiction as the first DVD I purchased ever... it was in letterbox format.

17:25:28 cjc: I had to wait several more years for it to be in high-def on home video.

17:25:43 punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman: I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre <<< you don't understand how immune works! << nuh uh I went to school and even paid attention sometimes!

17:26:50 mircea_popescu: well can you name any tropane alkaloid that has an immune response associated ?

17:27:36 punkman: nope

17:28:16 mircea_popescu: by far the vast majority of immune response is to proteins. the difference is about two degrees of magnitude in molecular weight.

17:28:30 mircea_popescu: some immune response is to an assortment of polysaccharids etc, but still.

17:28:40 punkman: (one of the cocaine vaccines uses big cholera protein to deliver cocaine molecule)

17:29:54 mircea_popescu: http://protcalc.sourceforge.net/ << this is pretty neat too.

17:29:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/17r4A1W )

17:31:41 mircea_popescu: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3738214/ this one ?

17:31:44 assbot: Interception of Cocaine by Enzyme or Antibody Delivered with Viral Gene Transfer: A Novel Strategy for Preventing Relapse in Recovering Drug Users ... ( http://bit.ly/17r4Xtr )

17:33:29 punkman: nubbins`: well, shitty dope doesn't have that, but if you spritz it with saline... << if only the retards came up with saline. I've read about some assholes using spray with glass beads (the kind used to make shiny road paint) that would penetrate the flowers.

17:34:01 mircea_popescu: "Since cocaine must dissociate from antibody before it can be metabolized, either in plasma or liver, such results seem surprising. " I'm willing to bet they misread the data, dun actually have a response at all, but hey.

17:42:17 BingoBoingo: !up hollywoodundead

17:42:35 hollywoodundead: thank you

17:45:49 punkman: http://www.wired.com/2015/02/hacking-burning-man-tickets/ "I need to have a ticket to go camping in the desert"

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17:48:44 punkman: pete_dushenski: what would that get them?

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18:02:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87785 @ 0.00041664 = 36.5747 BTC [+] {4}

18:09:39 pete_dushenski: "Areva, the French nuclear technology giant, warned on Monday that it was facing a loss of a magnitude that raises doubts about its ability to continue operations without an injection of state funds to restore its capital. The state-controlled company expects a 2014 net loss of about 4.9 billion euros, or $5.6 billion, from a loss of €500 million a year earlier." << blame the japs!

18:09:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00041988 = 3.8629 BTC [+]

18:09:59 pete_dushenski: though nuclear must be one hell of a tough industry

18:15:19 mircea_popescu: actually it's cheap romanian electricity.

18:15:43 mircea_popescu: eu market got integrated, lot of excess capacity in the east, there it goes.

18:16:42 mircea_popescu: putin is hurting the west with cheap energy about 10x more than whatever "sanctions"

18:20:37 pete_dushenski: is romanian leccy natural gas ?

18:21:00 mircea_popescu: a good chunk is actually nuclear

18:21:11 mircea_popescu: (france supported ro bid to eu chiefly because they needed ro heavy water).

18:21:22 mircea_popescu: but plenty hydrocarbons.

18:22:45 pete_dushenski: my foggy memory of the romanian countryside is now clearning up..

18:22:54 pete_dushenski: i do recall seeing a few nuclear plants now

18:23:13 pete_dushenski: french design, neh ?

18:23:27 mircea_popescu: candu

18:23:35 mircea_popescu: http://www.transelectrica.ro/widget/web/tel/sen-harta/-/harta_WAR_SENOperareHartaportlet << this is actually trhe current data

18:23:36 assbot: Harta ... ( http://bit.ly/18g8WtQ )

18:23:52 mircea_popescu: currently exporting 1gw

18:24:01 pete_dushenski: lol actually, ro used candu (canadian)

18:24:04 mircea_popescu: (a lot more in summer due to hydro and less hydrocarbon usage for heating)

18:24:16 pete_dushenski: at least at Cernavodă

18:24:40 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> candu ^^

18:24:51 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu yup! my bad!

18:25:01 pete_dushenski: you're too fast for me

18:25:20 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:25:30 ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo

18:25:39 ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/wapo-BillCaseyHoneyPot.htm << mega-trololol

18:25:44 mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << in which we find most hn readers are pakistani ?

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18:25:49 ascii_field: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, ^^

18:27:04 mircea_popescu: Would you like a MIRRORED COPY OF YOUR OWN DATABASE? FROM THAT ERA? WE HAVE IT DO YOU?

18:27:08 mircea_popescu: lol. they don't, obv.

18:27:53 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: One of the lizards got drunk on the interent?

18:28:13 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: lizardEliza

18:28:18 pete_dushenski: "DOJ - Do you have ANY IDEA - WHAT IS ON THAT TAPE ? DO YOU ? UNITED STATES ENDS ON 1 SINGLE 3/4 INCH TAPE. ENTIRE SOVEREIGN CURRENCY ENDS

18:28:21 pete_dushenski: "

18:28:22 BingoBoingo: lol

18:28:28 mircea_popescu: lolk

18:29:06 pete_dushenski: "United States Department of State has YET TO FEEL THE WRATH OF THE LLAMACOIN "

18:29:14 pete_dushenski: this guy's too good

18:29:22 pete_dushenski: maybe he's on reddit

18:30:31 mircea_popescu: maybe he's on lice powder.

18:31:21 ascii_field: let's play however.

18:31:30 ascii_field: imagine actual 3/4 inch tape

18:31:40 ascii_field: therefore almost certainly, a 'u-matic'

18:31:45 mircea_popescu: do i need to quote at you ?

18:32:15 ascii_field: yes

18:33:10 mircea_popescu: "That's what it is. There's no such thing as "an idea", for damn sure."

18:33:20 mircea_popescu: that tape, it's nothing but a fetish of "an idea".

18:33:28 ascii_field: well sure

18:33:42 mircea_popescu: "You can't have an idea. It's not a thing, not something to "have". It's not like a chocolate cake, you get your hands on it that's that, it's yours."

18:33:49 mircea_popescu: "oh what if i make it a chocolate tape then!!1"

18:33:53 mircea_popescu: not how this works.

18:33:59 ascii_field: trying to reverse-engineer the theatrical props here

18:34:09 ascii_field: to see in what kind of studio the production was filmed.

18:34:14 ascii_field: of the fantasy.

18:34:20 mircea_popescu: you mean the commenter's ?

18:34:22 ascii_field: aha

18:34:33 mircea_popescu: he sounds like run of the mill overstimulated geek to me.

18:34:39 ascii_field: usually there are obvious technical gaffes

18:34:40 ascii_field: in these

18:34:47 mircea_popescu: all the way down to "imagine all the people derping in harmonee"

18:34:51 *: ascii_field connoisseur

18:35:01 mircea_popescu: you mean ascii field_connoisseur ?

18:35:08 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes but that's normal acid trip not technical gaffe

18:35:12 ascii_field: separate the two

18:35:15 mircea_popescu: aite.

18:40:20 pete_dushenski: "Monsanto said Wednesday its earnings fell 34% in its first fiscal quarter" << fucken derps following cisco to the grave. such paper signers.

18:42:10 mircea_popescu: ascii_field so anything good ?

18:42:40 ascii_field: it's short enough, just read it

18:42:43 ascii_field: good lulz

18:43:26 mircea_popescu: i skimmed. was curious more in the method of separating the two, if meaningfully applicable.

18:44:00 ascii_field: ELL ME - TELL ME - / TELL ME - TELL ME - TORN - MORNING / E4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494 / THAT KEY should SCARE THE LIVING HELL OUT OF CIA / GO AHEAD - PUSH IT

18:44:28 mircea_popescu: ;;google E4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494

18:44:29 gribble: No matches found.

18:45:10 ascii_field: 128b.

18:45:14 mircea_popescu: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xE4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494

18:45:28 mircea_popescu: v3 srsly ?

18:46:46 ascii_field: iirc there was once support for 128b md5 fp

18:48:27 mircea_popescu: yeh. while ago.

18:49:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7729 @ 0.00041953 = 3.2425 BTC [-] {2}

18:49:45 ascii_field: and which loftus ?

18:49:50 ascii_field: pediwikia's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Loftus_(author) ?

18:49:52 assbot: John Loftus (author) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/18gazrD )

18:50:15 mircea_popescu: imo this is pointless wankery.

18:50:29 ascii_field: not if we spoodge

18:50:44 BingoBoingo: !b 8

18:50:44 assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1H76FXN.txt )

18:51:38 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/03/economy_where_we_go_from_here.html << tlp's sufferances as an amateur financier on an etrade account, and his efforts to cope and come to terms with it is a whole opera in and of itself.

18:51:39 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Economy: Where We Go From Here ... ( http://bit.ly/18gaLqJ )

18:52:21 ascii_field: the clock ad on that site is hilarious

18:52:24 mircea_popescu: funny how the otherwise very competent psych does not feel comfortable taking off the coat and hat, and waddling in the mud modestly like http://38.media.tumblr.com/7c2d7566582a69867da0b68c13787462/tumblr_ngsc6rN6OV1ty4fj6o1_500.gif any amateur.

18:52:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeJUWm )

18:52:31 ascii_field: it's 1500 again and clocks have one hand ?

18:52:59 mircea_popescu: it has ads ?

18:57:29 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:57:34 ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo

18:58:02 BingoBoingo: Oh reddit disappeared, but didn't really delete a qntra link... again

18:58:05 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/

18:58:07 assbot: The Superfish Funder List : programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeLDuA )

18:58:41 mircea_popescu: lol

18:59:06 BingoBoingo: No longer visible on pages

18:59:11 mircea_popescu: programming, this time. clearly it's happening without the subreddit mod's knowledge, there's no overlap about bitcoin tards and programmers.

18:59:20 mircea_popescu: mind leaving a link to log on article discussing this for future ?

19:00:11 ascii_field: '...the Venture Capital Firms which made Superfish possible...' << lol! amerika where even spamware tr0j4n needs vc investment

19:00:24 ascii_field: can i get vc funding to sp4m l1k3 4 pr0? plz?

19:02:07 mircea_popescu: you gotta eat a lot of conference salty biscuit first.

19:02:40 ascii_field: very salty

19:02:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00041988 = 2.8132 BTC [+]

19:02:57 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/the-superfish-funder-list/#comment-11390

19:02:58 assbot: The Superfish Funder List | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeN509 )

19:03:03 ascii_field: bukkakiscuit

19:03:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16051 @ 0.0004202 = 6.7446 BTC [+]

19:03:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i meant http://fraudsters.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/ and http://qntra.net/2015/01/its-easy-to-call-us-a-tiny-minority-when-you-engage-in-vote-manipulation/

19:03:53 assbot: "These fools have been handed a technology so clever, so disruptive and revolutionary, that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, — or give up their thrones on their own free will — if it were used correctly, that is." pe Trile ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeNkIB )

19:03:53 assbot: It's Easy To Call Us A Tiny Minority When You Engage In Vote Manipulation | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeNkYW )

19:09:46 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/coup87o

19:09:48 assbot: ButterNubber comments on The Superfish Funder List ... ( http://bit.ly/18gcaO0 )

19:09:48 ascii_field: 'cryptome' under extra-thick ddos today...

19:09:59 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Noticed that a few hours ago

19:11:04 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i meant the other way :D

19:13:45 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, now I'm more confused than ever

19:13:51 mircea_popescu: :)

19:14:42 mircea_popescu: i just want a functional reference point tree for when this topic is discussed in future. currently, my go-to link for "reddit manipulation" is either the fraudsters or the qntrea article. it's beneficial if they somewhere (like in comments) have a link to a later case they didn't substantially cover

19:16:17 ascii_field: at 'hackernews' hand-twiddling the story ratings and outright burial ordered from above has been sop since day one. but the reddit cesspool has generally been left alone (other than by armies of muppets, electric and meat alike) until recently.

19:23:58 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

19:24:04 gribble: Current Blocks: 344843 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1908 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43058313524.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.76719

19:27:12 ascii_field: re: sata on netbsd: i get same effect (garbage read for drive manuf. name and lba max params on init) if plugging in sata drive on original uboot console

19:27:22 ascii_field: (in uboot shell)

19:27:31 ascii_field: there's some magic init trick

19:28:51 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:28:56 ascii_field: danke BingoBoingo!

19:29:08 ascii_field: http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf << does not provide a smash-your-face-obvious clue re: above

19:29:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18gdAbr )

19:29:52 ascii_field: if one of you fellas can come up with a copy of the src used to build that archlinux kernel, it contains The Answer (tm)

19:30:27 ascii_field: the original marvell-patched kernel mod is mega-gnarly

19:30:33 ascii_field: (the one on pogo's www)

19:33:32 BingoBoingo: !up jdkll

19:35:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31185 @ 0.00042051 = 13.1136 BTC [+] {2}

19:39:35 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/us-political-crisis-may-impoverish-homeland-security-department/

19:40:05 ascii_field: The "critical" employees would be working without the expectation of receiving a pay check. << not really

19:40:20 ascii_field: the whole 'shutdown' circus is wholly for show.

19:42:26 jurov: http://zitseng.com/archives/7489

19:42:27 assbot: The Mac Facilitates Spying Too | Zit Seng's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/17rt2Ak )

19:43:07 jurov: apple is such a whore with 214 root certs preinstalled?

19:43:23 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: But in fiat land with monthly bill payments, even a delay can be catastrophic to the stooge

19:44:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00041893 = 4.1893 BTC [-]

19:44:34 ascii_field: jurov: i still don't get why usg would use anything other than the most 'respectable' root certs ('verisign' et al) for their shenanigans

19:44:55 NewLiberty: 'Jeh C. Johnson, the Homeland Security secretary, said that it was “indulging in a fantasy to believe you can shut down the Department of Homeland Security and there be no impact to homeland security itself.”' Sure it might become more secure when the security theater show ends and people start taking personal responsibility.

19:45:13 ascii_field: deniability? sure, 'umm sorry taiwanese factory, umm, lost, signing key' a la stuxnet

19:45:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00042123 = 6.5501 BTC [+]

19:50:32 jurov: cryptome is down.. are we the new slashdot?

19:59:42 BingoBoingo: literal butthurt http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--05KKQCHQ--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wjqk8l4uyrlvvu5c8svh.jpg

19:59:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1a6PvEo )

19:59:47 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:00:01 ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo

20:07:15 BingoBoingo: !up wayne

20:07:26 BingoBoingo: Hello wayne

20:08:07 wayne: thanks for the +v

20:08:12 wayne: hi

20:10:19 mircea_popescu: ello

20:11:32 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> The "critical" employees would be working without the expectation of receiving a pay check. << not really << check it out, usg trying to steal b-a.

20:12:07 ascii_field: they still get paid

20:12:20 ascii_field: (but no interest on late wages, iirc)

20:12:31 mircea_popescu: yaya.

20:12:59 ascii_field: and they don't clock in 'for the motherland' but to keep the job

20:13:21 wayne: what is this channel for? general btc discussion? the website is a big ambiguous.

20:13:29 wayne: bit, rather

20:13:30 mircea_popescu: this is where bitcoin policy is set.

20:13:46 mircea_popescu: generally you are expected to read the logs for the next year to get acclimated.

20:14:57 wayne: hey joecool

20:15:51 felipelalli: wayne: the rule here is: read the full log and back next year. We'll wait.

20:15:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22448 @ 0.00041923 = 9.4109 BTC [-]

20:16:17 felipelalli: (PS: I'm still reading)

20:17:37 chetty: don't worry if you miss a day, someone will point it out (happens to me all the time)

20:18:30 wayne: so everyone starts reading from april 26th?

20:20:33 ben_vulpes: sometimes april 1st

20:21:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11036 @ 0.00041893 = 4.6233 BTC [-]

20:22:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6864 @ 0.00041892 = 2.8755 BTC [-]

20:27:18 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/so-im-going-to-be-a-total-asshole-for-a-moment-here/

20:28:52 mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, anyone still remember the elizabeth smart thing ? "kidnapped" 14yo utah blondie goes to party with "kidnappers" etc ?

20:29:32 mircea_popescu: apud Ballas : "I know, I know, she's only 15-- terrified, Stockholm Syndrome, etc. And I have no right to judge her (in)actions since I am not her, I didn't live her life. Though that brings us back to the black teen: why is fear an acceptable explanation for poor judgment, but anger is not? (Hint: they're both not.)"

20:29:53 mircea_popescu: in point of fact you can readily distinguish the male dominated society from the female dominated society, because they each succumb to their own foibles.

20:30:10 mircea_popescu: in dudeland anger is accepted explanation, fear is not. in broadland, the reverse.

20:30:22 mircea_popescu: yes, they're both not. hasn't yet happened on god's green earth tho.

20:30:52 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:31:11 ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo!

20:31:22 mircea_popescu: wayne well not everyone joins at the same time.

20:31:45 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, http://38.media.tumblr.com/d79ced52386260419f282a6cbea59cc0/tumblr_n5oxc1uPJp1trwqu4o1_400.gif

20:31:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B63dSs )

20:34:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9086 @ 0.00041892 = 3.8063 BTC [-]

20:34:49 punkman: wayne, good day to start is when voice requirement was introduced

20:35:13 punkman: also the search engine is great for finding interesting threads from the past

20:35:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14914 @ 0.00041431 = 6.179 BTC [-] {2}

20:42:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18415 @ 0.00040134 = 7.3907 BTC [-]

20:47:14 chetty: And I have no right to judge her (in)actions since I am not her// the root of much evil in this world

20:49:54 mircea_popescu: quite.

20:50:09 mircea_popescu: i also have no right to calculate sun's orbit, as i'm no sun.

20:50:27 ascii_field: !b 3

20:50:28 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GT5FC4.txt )

20:50:29 mircea_popescu: this is techniucally correct, i have NO RIGHT. nor do i wish to have such a right, fuck rights with a solder rifle.

20:50:39 mircea_popescu: i have the fucking freedom to do it, and im dying with it.

20:51:02 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

20:51:08 ascii_field: ty thestringpuller!

20:51:17 thestringpuller: !up wayne

20:53:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2585 @ 0.00040134 = 1.0375 BTC [-]

20:54:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3015 @ 0.00039851 = 1.2015 BTC [-]

21:10:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0004136 = 1.9853 BTC [+]

21:11:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00041923 = 4.8002 BTC [+]

21:15:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00039851 = 4.4434 BTC [-]

21:26:49 BingoBoingo: !up Jezzz

21:32:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15335 @ 0.00039851 = 6.1112 BTC [-]

21:34:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20581 @ 0.00039845 = 8.2005 BTC [-]

21:46:10 BingoBoingo: !up plonky

21:50:22 plonky: thank BingoBoingo

21:50:30 plonky: just created new gpg keypair

21:50:35 plonky: and registered to gribble

21:50:40 plonky: im hegemoOn

21:50:47 mike_c: mircea_popescu: re your asshole post. I believe GOOG split in the meantime..

21:51:02 plonky: but anyway new nickname, as far as i lost my previous gpg key associated with hegemoOn

21:52:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14667 @ 0.00041186 = 6.0408 BTC [+] {3}

21:53:47 danielpbarron: !gettrust plonky

21:53:47 assbot: plonky is not registered in WoT.

21:54:05 plonky: i just ;;eauth

21:54:10 *: danielpbarron shrugs

21:54:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8783 @ 0.00042149 = 3.7019 BTC [+] {3}

21:54:50 plonky: 22:50:10 gribble | You are now authenticated for user plonky with key BACBCE400996EB88

21:55:14 danielpbarron: plonky, which bot responded to me when I typed '!gettrust' ?

21:55:24 plonky: assbot

21:55:26 plonky: !

21:55:31 danielpbarron: athereyougo

21:55:55 plonky: !help

21:55:55 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

22:04:44 plonky: seems the fingerprint of my key isnt satisfying assbot

22:05:24 mircea_popescu: mike_c hm, i remember them wanting to for years but then they got sued not to

22:05:33 mircea_popescu: never heard that being ruled on so i just asumed they dropped it.

22:05:42 mats: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/leaks-netanyahu-misled-iran-nuclear-programme-guardian-iran-nuclear-speech-2012-150218165622065.html

22:05:43 assbot: Mossad contradicted Netanyahu on Iran nuclear programme - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/17P0BMv )

22:05:49 mats: that pic lol.

22:06:24 mircea_popescu: in other news, there was an explosion like... 5 blocks from where i live.

22:08:06 mircea_popescu: mike_c turns out they did last year. thanks!

22:10:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00039447 = 7.5738 BTC [-]

22:11:30 mike_c: yw.

22:11:54 danielpbarron: ;;ident plonky

22:11:55 gribble: Nick 'plonky', with hostmask 'plonky!~plonky@shell.netmonk.org', is identified as user 'plonky', with GPG key id BACBCE400996EB88, key fingerprint 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88, and bitcoin address None

22:12:15 danielpbarron: plonky, are you using this one ----------^

22:12:28 plonky: ok

22:15:40 danielpbarron: try it in here so kakobrekla can see

22:17:49 danielpbarron: !up plonky

22:17:54 plonky: !register plonky 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88

22:17:54 assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.

22:19:04 plonky: maybe im too stupid

22:19:25 mircea_popescu: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88 it's valid alright

22:20:18 plonky: yeah it's me :)

22:21:45 mircea_popescu: no name

22:21:53 mircea_popescu: try !register 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88

22:22:05 plonky: !register 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88

22:22:05 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88. This may take a few moments.

22:22:05 assbot: Key 0996EB88 / "netmonk <netmonk@netmonk.org>" successfully imported.

22:22:05 assbot: Registration successful.

22:23:55 plonky: ok so my trust is 0

22:24:03 plonky: so pretty useless at the moment !

22:24:08 plonky: ty mircea_popescu

22:24:10 plonky: and danielpbarron

22:24:45 mircea_popescu: so what do you do ?

22:26:12 plonky: well, don't know :) i can ask fluffypony to rate me again :)

22:27:21 danielpbarron: !gettrust hegemoOn

22:27:23 assbot: Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user hegemoOn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/hegemoOn | http://w.b-a.link/user/hegemoOn

22:27:36 mircea_popescu: plonky you do archlinux ?

22:28:01 plonky: mircea_popescu: yes :)

22:28:09 plonky: you can find me on the archwiki

22:28:14 plonky: in the security team :)

22:28:23 plonky: and few commint on other topic

22:28:25 mircea_popescu: peeps been trying to get a pogoplug arch system going for a while, prolly can help with that

22:28:42 plonky: pogoplug ?

22:28:54 danielpbarron: plonky, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2015#1030941

22:28:54 assbot: Logged on 23-02-2015 19:29:52; ascii_field: if one of you fellas can come up with a copy of the src used to build that archlinux kernel, it contains The Answer (tm)

22:29:53 danielpbarron: there is a bug in netbsd regarding sata drives that archlinux does not have

22:30:10 plonky: well, kernel are compiled and distributed as binary

22:30:18 plonky: as far you know on archlinux

22:30:43 plonky: but a mail on mailing list could help or /join #archlinux

22:31:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14861 @ 0.00039443 = 5.8616 BTC [-]

22:35:22 bitstein: Assbot should have a reminder command.

22:35:36 bitstein: !remind 5 years this tweet: https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/569936267397500928

22:35:38 assbot: /hashtag/blockchains?src=hash are a friggin database technology; 5 years down I doubt any users will care what the underlying network token is

22:37:24 plonky: i bet ascii_field is asciilifeform ?

22:37:31 fluffypony: plonky: did you break your GPG?

22:37:46 plonky: fluffypony: yeah

22:37:58 fluffypony: ;;rated hegemoon

22:37:59 gribble: You rated user hegemoon on Wed Jul 2 08:48:10 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: smooth PPEUR for XMR trade, no issues.

22:38:20 plonky: it was a time monero was meaning something :)

22:38:53 plonky: 170 euros, 200 monero iirc

22:38:53 fluffypony: ;;rate plonky 1 PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account

22:38:54 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user plonky has been recorded.

22:38:54 plonky: :)

22:39:08 plonky: thanks sir

22:39:09 *: danielpbarron slaps fluffypony around a bit with a large assbot

22:39:16 fluffypony: oh

22:39:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9536 @ 0.00039998 = 3.8142 BTC [+]

22:39:21 fluffypony: !rate plonky 1 PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account

22:39:21 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/30df173af3bcc2ef

22:39:39 plonky: thanks again

22:39:58 fluffypony: how do I verify the rating?

22:40:12 fluffypony: (once the string has been decrypted I mean)

22:40:16 danielpbarron: !v

22:40:16 assbot: Need a decrypted verification string.

22:40:22 fluffypony: !v assbot:fluffypony.rate.plonky.1:2dc1b7ff690f2bd0c195b81db1a34d09eaefb5da684e8997ff0eaa8f861c0589

22:40:22 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for plonky with note: PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account

22:40:26 fluffypony: thanks danielpbarron

22:40:46 danielpbarron: things and strings go in the V

22:42:49 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:42:53 ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo!

22:43:15 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: peeps been trying to get a pogoplug arch system going for a while << actually, we - or, rather me - have been trying to get it -off- arch

22:43:23 ascii_field: because it's a fucking hog

22:43:36 mircea_popescu: did the mystery bit ever get resolved ?

22:43:41 ascii_field: not yet

22:44:11 plonky: https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/linux

22:44:13 assbot: svntogit/packages.git - Git clone of the 'packages' repository ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQmCt6 )

22:44:17 *: ascii_field schmuck occupied all day with PayingWork (tm)

22:44:18 plonky: this one is the answer

22:44:41 plonky: with all the patch included to kernel compilation in archlinux

22:44:59 ascii_field: plonky: do you know for certain that this is the very same arch as was published (see log) for use on 'pogo' ?

22:45:37 plonky: if you can explain what mean "for use on pogo", i would understand better :)

22:46:08 ascii_field: or wtf

22:46:12 danielpbarron: plonky, http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/pogoplug-series-4

22:46:13 assbot: Pogoplug Series 4 | Arch Linux ARM ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADCAlV )

22:46:15 ascii_field: that's an x86 build script

22:46:21 ascii_field: (what plonky linked to)

22:46:26 plonky: ok

22:46:28 ascii_field: nothing whatsoever to do with us

22:46:32 plonky: i better understand :)

22:46:41 plonky: so /join #archlinux-arm

22:47:13 *: danielpbarron stabs plonky

22:49:21 ascii_field: http://os.archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-kirkwood-latest.tar.gz << is probably the binary

22:49:26 BingoBoingo: !up plonky

22:49:26 ascii_field: but where's the source

22:50:08 plonky: ascii_field: which arm version ?

22:50:10 BingoBoingo: !s bucket

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22:50:31 BingoBoingo: plonky: Arm v5, pogoplug v4

22:50:39 plonky: ascii_field: https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/PKGBUILD

22:50:40 assbot: PKGBUILDs/PKGBUILD at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQo8vi )

22:50:44 plonky: this is the pkgbuild of the kernel

22:50:55 ascii_field: plonky, others: it isn't just a question of 'which arm'

22:50:57 ascii_field: (5)

22:51:07 ascii_field: but specific system-on-chip that has all the peripherals

22:51:09 ascii_field: http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf

22:51:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQogel )

22:51:14 ascii_field: ^ described here

22:51:28 ascii_field: the ethernet, sata, usb, etc. are all on same die

22:51:51 ascii_field: but it's a little-endian arm 5, yes.

22:51:53 plonky: ascii_field: ok look at my url, it point to the kernel config of kirkwood release !

22:52:21 ascii_field: ty plonky

22:52:26 ascii_field: that's probably it.

22:52:37 ascii_field: will have to build and run the damn thing to be sure

22:52:48 ascii_field: if one of you folks with free time want to do this - appreciated.

22:53:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4939 @ 0.00040963 = 2.0232 BTC [+]

22:56:27 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: in other news, there was an explosion like... 5 blocks from where i live << what was the detonation velocity ?

22:57:29 *: plonky switched from archlinux-arm to cubian on his cubieboard btw

22:57:32 ascii_field: in other news from the lulzfarms, http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/spy-cables-world-espionage-snowden-guardian-mi6-cia-ssa-mossad-iran-southafrica-leak-150218100147229.html

22:57:33 assbot: The Spy Cables: A glimpse into the world of espionage - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQpK8w )

22:58:12 ascii_field: plonky: ultimate goal is netbsd with maximally stripped down kernel and scarcely any userland at all beyond bitcoind

22:58:26 ascii_field: whole shebang should weigh a couple of MB gzipped.

22:58:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27561 @ 0.00040963 = 11.2898 BTC [+]

22:59:51 ben_vulpes: i can sorta read -assets logs backwards now

22:59:53 ben_vulpes: neat trick, that

23:01:25 danielpbarron: i think i finally bricked a pogo; rebooted the one with the netconsole thing setup (which has worked in the past) and now i get nothing out of it :<

23:02:10 danielpbarron: "bricked" // i'll just use this one when my usb thingy arrives

23:02:58 plonky: https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/archlinuxarm.patch

23:03:00 assbot: PKGBUILDs/archlinuxarm.patch at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQr0Zg )

23:03:10 plonky: ascii_field: lot of SATA reference in this patchfile

23:06:58 danielpbarron: nevermind false alarm

23:07:35 ascii_field: https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/archlinuxarm.patch#L8563 << possibly this

23:07:38 assbot: PKGBUILDs/archlinuxarm.patch at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADHuiZ )

23:08:36 plonky: is it similar behaviour you have on netbsd ?

23:08:52 plonky: i mean stop of work after few minutes ?

23:08:58 ascii_field: never works at all

23:09:00 ascii_field: so probably not

23:09:21 plonky: and what does the netbsd guy say ?

23:09:27 ascii_field: and on second thought we don't have a 88sx7042 either

23:09:38 BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch

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23:09:59 ascii_field: netbsd guy ?

23:10:27 plonky: yeah netbsd developpers, who are in charge of arm support

23:11:06 plonky: because it's easy to have a kernel booting and displaying lines in console

23:11:06 danielpbarron: plonky, do you know of any such people in the WoT?

23:11:22 plonky: but a bit harder to have a full hardware support

23:11:40 plonky: danielpbarron: not that i know

23:12:06 plonky: i mean, sending email to the right mailing list explaining your problem

23:12:15 plonky: can bring the official dev support

23:12:18 ascii_field: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=%3Ckiyohara%40NetBSD.org%3E&op=index&exact=on

23:12:21 ascii_field: ^ him

23:12:45 ascii_field: anyone's guess if he has the time, inclination, or this particular piece of hardware to even try

23:13:15 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

23:13:19 ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo

23:13:27 plonky: http://www.netbsd.org/mailinglists/#port-arm

23:13:29 assbot: NetBSD mailing lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADIGmo )

23:14:01 ascii_field: plonky: the one thing definitely known is that the bug is specific to this one particular marvell soc

23:14:13 plonky: one of my systema trainer once told me : if you don't ask, you will never get answer

23:14:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field about the same as an unladden swallow

23:14:30 mircea_popescu: (was gas thing, killed a guy_

23:14:42 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i thought your tool gave a number

23:15:02 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/court-no-surveillance-records-for-fbi-terrorist/

23:15:40 mircea_popescu: i don't personally do everything!

23:15:45 ascii_field: l0l

23:15:47 *: ascii_field does

23:15:55 mircea_popescu: i tend to limit what i personally do to women.

23:16:07 ascii_field: good idea if engineering-practical

23:16:27 mircea_popescu: plonky looky, the question here is whether you can be useful not whether he needs some advice.

23:16:48 ascii_field: i was just about to say.

23:17:07 *: ascii_field does not need to be told, usually, that 'it works better if you plug it in'

23:17:13 ascii_field: and neither do the other folks in #b-a

23:17:41 ascii_field: but to be fair: plonky found for me what i asked for

23:17:57 ascii_field: (the archturd)

23:20:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13003 @ 0.00040388 = 5.2517 BTC [-] {2}

23:25:50 plonky: alright

23:26:49 plonky: i will keep advice for myself, no offense.

23:28:01 BingoBoingo: plonky: It takes time to get to know what advice might be useful as opposed to being noise, that's what the reading is for.

23:30:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23729 @ 0.00039355 = 9.3385 BTC [-] {3}

23:30:50 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitrated-launches-web-of-trust-abomination/

23:39:53 danielpbarron: i got my pogo to load asciilifeform's netbsd.ub over ftp, and it stops at "Starting kernel ..." // is this step supposed to get a long time?

23:40:01 danielpbarron: take*

23:56:43 ben_vulpes: i generally know the thing needs plugging in but frequently find myself unable to line up the right pins with the right sockets

23:57:07 ben_vulpes: end up ripping the fixture out of the wall and soldering things together.

23:57:11 ben_vulpes: because abandonware.

23:59:38 BingoBoingo: !up plonky

23:59:45 BingoBoingo: !up arvicco