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00:00:13 diametric: asciilifeform: 5.5in screen at 1440x2560.

00:00:27 mircea_popescu: hdbuck well don't forget to publish if you figure out anything.

00:00:41 asciilifeform: now we need 24 in of that.

00:00:45 mircea_popescu: diametric that has got to be a scam.

00:00:55 mircea_popescu: 500dpi srsly ?

00:01:00 diametric: mircea_popescu: oppo's made several phones already

00:01:11 asciilifeform: this is only 2x the density of the 'nexus 10' widget i read djvus with.

00:01:13 mircea_popescu: what tech is that ?

00:01:54 diametric: mircea_popescu: oppo has the only phone on the market currently running cyanogen that's been certified by google as well

00:02:32 mircea_popescu: heh and the chinese take the lead.

00:02:40 mircea_popescu: so how are they made, just packed tighter ?

00:03:05 mircea_popescu: all i see is a n1 at 2k/1k

00:03:18 asciilifeform: transistors have packed to far greater densities, far earlier

00:03:30 asciilifeform: the 'hard part' of this kind of display is - driving it

00:03:38 mircea_popescu: and that's a ~7inch tablety thing

00:03:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform many problems, really.

00:05:01 asciilifeform: kopin corp. had microdisplays with ~1600x1200 in fingernail sized element, for ages

00:05:09 asciilifeform: just not at 'human' prices.

00:05:33 mircea_popescu: well sure

00:06:25 asciilifeform: (ok not quite. but close - http://www.kopin.com/offerings/products/ruggedized-display-products#sxga-lbc)

00:06:35 asciilifeform: there were, if i recall, others.

00:06:55 asciilifeform: (i once took a great interest in the subject of head-mounted displays)

00:13:28 diametric: asciilifeform: do you still actively play go?

00:13:41 asciilifeform: as a matter of fact i do.

00:13:45 diametric: asciilifeform: http://shop.gogameguru.com/

00:13:48 diametric: they just started accepting bitcoin

00:13:57 asciilifeform: haha neat

00:14:02 diametric: with a 15% discount this weekend apparently.

00:16:10 kakobrekla: i havent played in years :\

00:16:24 mircea_popescu: great game to play with teh girlz.

00:19:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1168 @ 0.00083535 = 0.9757 BTC [-] {7}

00:20:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.00546 = 1.092 BTC [-]

00:20:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 919 @ 0.00047516 = 0.4367 BTC [-] {4}

00:23:55 asciilifeform: http://shop.gogameguru.com/kaya-go-board-86/

00:27:52 diametric: asciilifeform: http://www.reddit.com/user/CompileBot

00:28:21 diametric: asciilifeform: so if you post on reddit with +/u/CompileBot language \n\n [ code ], it will run that code and post it as a reply.

00:28:22 decimation: everyone knows that such blocks of wood are trival to obtain - simply punch a tree ala minecraft

00:28:32 asciilifeform: lol

00:29:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00319977 = 0.16 BTC [+] {3}

00:29:26 asciilifeform: i actually know someone who owns a board like that.

00:29:32 asciilifeform: my brother. he didn't pay 100k though

00:29:58 asciilifeform: more like 1k. i think it was old (100+ yrs.) and refinished at least once, after ww2 if i recall.

00:30:06 decimation: well, presumably one could make it out of oak or pine for much less $$

00:30:18 asciilifeform: yes. there's some of those in the linked shop

00:30:41 decimation: the trick is drying and finishing

00:30:48 asciilifeform: it's surprisingly hard to find a breed of wood that comes in the requisite monolithic piece and never - ever - warps.

00:31:12 decimation: there is much art to drying wood without warping

00:31:16 asciilifeform: (the stones, traditionally, are glass and very slippery. so surface gotta be level.)

00:31:38 asciilifeform: (nitpick - traditional stones aren't glass - seashell and slate.)

00:32:26 asciilifeform: all i personally have is a very thoroughly weathered (from abuse as a student) magnetic board.

00:33:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00094552 = 13.5209 BTC [+] {2}

00:34:51 mircea_popescu: actually all the good boards i've seen are stone

00:35:03 mircea_popescu: black/white marble on rosy granite works especially well

00:35:48 asciilifeform: i imagine it would. in japan they like the 'click' of the wood though.

00:36:06 mircea_popescu: yeah well, what do they know.

00:37:01 asciilifeform: 1 of these days i too will purchase an enormous stone plinth. always wanted one, holography table

00:37:13 decimation: for an optics bench?

00:37:21 asciilifeform: right

00:38:52 decimation: how to design an observatory: http://www.dfmengineering.com/news_observatory_design.html

00:39:04 decimation: one probably need not be that hardcore for an optics bench

00:39:08 decimation: but it would be helpful

00:39:15 asciilifeform: holography specifically

00:39:17 asciilifeform: needs a heavy table

00:39:26 asciilifeform: long exposure times, little tolerance for vibration.

00:40:15 decimation: dump a concrete block in the ground, build a building around it, isolated with air gap

00:40:38 asciilifeform: that's actually pretty close to the traditional recipe:

00:40:52 asciilifeform: stack of old tires, pour 'quickcrete'.

00:41:31 asciilifeform: takes up a good bit of space though.

00:41:38 asciilifeform: (and i'd probably fall through my floor...)

00:43:23 decimation: yeah you probably want to build it in a basement

00:43:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.0031 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {2}

00:44:39 asciilifeform: yeah that's where it ought to go. at any rate, probably not happening in a 30m^2 flat.

00:45:31 asciilifeform: my mind always boggles when i visit somebody's gigantic house and there's no heavy, oily strange in the basement

00:45:34 asciilifeform: all that space, wasted

00:45:51 decimation: even worse; finished with mold-gathering carpet

00:45:59 ninjashogun: pretty interesting link - http://blogmaverick.com/2009/02/09/the-mark-cuban-stimulus-plan-open-source-funding/ --- but the interesting part is the comments! scroll down.

00:55:58 mircea_popescu: my mind boggles when i visit someone and they have shit like a pool table in the basement

00:56:16 mircea_popescu: "o ya, you're really living it large dude. the whole point of a pool table is to keep it in a cellar."

00:56:38 dub: its to get away from the woman

00:56:54 Diablo-D3: but I thought the point of a pool table was to throw a woman on it and fuck her

00:57:18 dub: no, tried getting jizz out of felt before?

00:57:19 mircea_popescu: you two are speaking of different women.

00:57:53 mircea_popescu: dub forget that part, that's easy. ever tried to talk to the beast after she's been rubbed raw on marble for half hour ?

00:58:45 dub: can only imagine, I find carpet bad enough

00:59:52 decimation: <<mircea_popescu: "underserved" and "unearned" income are exactly the cornerstone of productive economic activity. >> moldbug's solution: formalism http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2007/04/formalist-manifesto-originally-posted.html

01:00:23 decimation: The goal of formalism is to avoid this unpleasant little detour. Formalism says: let's figure out exactly who has what, now, and give them a little fancy certificate. Let's not get into who should have what. Because, like it or not, this is simply a recipe for more violence. It is very hard to come up with a rule that explains why the Palestinians should get Haifa back, and doesn't explain why the Welsh should get London back

01:00:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

01:02:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00094323 = 11.4131 BTC [-] {2}

01:06:52 dub: asciilifeform: noob question im having trouble getting a straight answer, have 20a dc supply that I want to drive (carefully) off 10a of AC mains, bad idea?

01:07:04 asciilifeform: 20a of what?

01:07:08 decimation: what voltage is your DC supply?

01:07:26 dub: 12v (13.something)

01:07:44 decimation: should be fine, don't put too much other stuff on the AC circuit

01:07:48 dub: ac is 230 if it matters

01:07:52 decimation: oh

01:08:24 decimation: that should be like 1 amp of ac

01:08:30 decimation: why do you need 10?

01:08:56 dub: I only have 10 of AC, a small generator

01:09:09 decimation: if it's putting out 10 amps at 230 volts you are fine

01:09:23 kakobrekla: 2300w vs 240w

01:09:28 kakobrekla: +-

01:09:34 decimation: is it a linear supply or switching supply?

01:10:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00094821 = 19.4383 BTC [+] {4}

01:10:47 mircea_popescu: diametric "here's how i try to inject myself in stuff that has nothing to do with me over 5k words. call me michael moore"

01:11:10 decimation: if it is a switching supply and your generator puts out crap AC, you might ruin the dc supply

01:11:33 mircea_popescu: in any event, violence is not a "problem". it's required, like breathing.

01:12:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was it you who had a piece about 'temperature' ?

01:12:24 asciilifeform: (as in simulated annealing)

01:12:29 mircea_popescu: perhaps not ?

01:12:55 asciilifeform: but re: society and 'hormesis' of theft

01:13:10 asciilifeform: ;;ud hormesis

01:13:11 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hormesis | trending. white dragon breath · surfboard · thot · tittybong · neknominate · lumpatious · poopsterbate · fap · bae · thought blocked. categories. gaming · sports ...

01:13:12 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: hormesis

01:13:23 asciilifeform: bah

01:13:36 decimation: as in a little radiation is good for you?

01:13:39 mircea_popescu: well this is all too vague to pinpoint.

01:13:52 mircea_popescu: decimation no, as in a little fucking and public speaking is required for adults.

01:14:02 mircea_popescu: even if you don't make either your life calling.

01:14:08 asciilifeform: yeah in this particular case, this.

01:15:02 asciilifeform: a common criticism of mr moldy (whose every published word, to my shame, i read) is that his entire philosophy seems to reduce to 'the crown exists to guard my suburban house against evil ape men'

01:15:26 asciilifeform: to be fair, 'truth in advertising' - 'mencius'

01:15:36 decimation: which would be awesome for him, but it's not going to happen

01:16:02 mircea_popescu: i dunno why this fear of other people seriously.

01:16:25 mircea_popescu: there's this generation of nuts that fears its own shadow. cops ? hoprrible. the sec ? omaigawd. black kids ? HALP HALP

01:16:31 mircea_popescu: i wonder how they manage to brush teeth.

01:16:41 asciilifeform: in their guarded enclaves?

01:16:51 mircea_popescu: what if the tootbrush gives them an evil look one day ?

01:17:35 mircea_popescu: i mean, even in the middle of an armed rebellion/invasion your chances to be plugged are what, 1% ?

01:17:52 decimation: it does seem that paranoia is the mood of our age

01:18:02 mircea_popescu: syria casualties are 100k over 22mn.

01:18:07 mircea_popescu: that fails to be a 1%

01:18:23 mircea_popescu: meanwhile they play dice for a 2% house edge. that's okay.

01:18:39 asciilifeform: this is a psychiatric, not political, phenomenon.

01:18:49 mircea_popescu: planes are dangerous, see ? cars are fine.

01:19:02 mircea_popescu: they should put wheels on the fucking airplane seats.

01:19:10 mircea_popescu: kids would love them

01:19:16 decimation: somehow the risk aversion circuit has gone haywire?

01:19:23 mircea_popescu: decimation guess why ?

01:19:32 mircea_popescu: kid regularly beaten is not affraid of the world.

01:19:39 mircea_popescu: kid that's never been beaten ? nuts.

01:19:41 asciilifeform: ;;google axenic mouse

01:19:42 gribble: Axenic mice model.: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18370163; Axenic service - Infrafrontier: https://www.infrafrontier.eu/resources-and-services/axenic-service; EMMA axenic (germ-free) service - Infrafrontier: https://www.infrafrontier.eu/resources-and-services/axenic-service/emma-axenic-germ-free-service

01:19:59 mircea_popescu: the romans had the following problem to sexual fixations in pubers : exposure.

01:20:13 mircea_popescu: apparently you can't get a fetish going if you get to see the actual object, in all its nude glory.

01:20:26 mircea_popescu: experience, direct experience, remains the best cure for mental dysfunction.

01:21:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much

01:21:13 decimation: the parents I know who pratice physical punishment have the most well-adjusted children

01:21:36 mircea_popescu: it doesn't even have to be all that present, but human beings need experiences, and a balanced diet thereof.

01:22:15 mircea_popescu: if you've never been punched in the face your reptillian brain builds this thing into an endless colossus. if you have, whatever. maybe you lose a tooth, your lip gets swollen. so what of it ?

01:23:02 mircea_popescu: this works across the board, currently the biggest deterrent to nuclear detonation isn't a bunch of fucktarded chicks that drink tea and blather like sheep. it's simply the desire on all parties that invested billions in these things to avoid proving to the general public that... big fucking deal.

01:23:43 mircea_popescu: as long as nobody uses them it's "those incredibly, exceedingly, unrepresentably powerful weapons". after a dozen or so pop it's like... those very expensive, inaccurate things.

01:23:55 decimation: indeed, nuclear bombs aren't nearly as dangerous as people like to believe

01:24:21 mircea_popescu: and as the countries spending billions on them like the people to continue to believe.

01:24:27 decimation: https://www.fourmilab.ch/bombcalc/

01:24:29 ozbot: Nuclear Bomb Effects Computer

01:24:37 joecool: decimation: but napalm is cheap

01:25:09 mircea_popescu: joecool napalm is mostly oil. thats cheap now ?

01:25:10 decimation: carpet bombing with napalm would probably be far worse for the average citizen than a nuke going off

01:25:28 joecool: mircea_popescu: compared to nuclear weapons? sure

01:25:50 mircea_popescu: joecool that can't be right, mostly because nuclear power is economical as compared to burning oil.

01:26:22 mircea_popescu: the problem is surface, for both of you.

01:26:53 asciilifeform: the fuel in a 'fire job' (as curtis lemay called it) is the kindling you blast the buildings into during the prelude

01:27:01 asciilifeform: not the napalm per se

01:27:14 mircea_popescu: it's all described in this ancient fraudsters article http://fraudsters.com/2011/radiatia-si-corpul-omenesc/

01:27:41 mircea_popescu: but fundamentally : every mile you walk adds more than a square mile to the area you've covered.

01:28:08 mircea_popescu: like the problem of finding that plane : it only flew what, 500 miles ?

01:28:19 mircea_popescu: well that's 250`000 square miles to look over.

01:28:39 decimation: yeah, you can't carpet-nuke that kind of area

01:28:40 mircea_popescu: and this if you roughly know the direction. if you don't....

01:28:46 asciilifeform: incidentally, inverse-square effect is why icbms switched to 'mirv' (multiple warhead) systems instead of one fat bomb.

01:28:52 mircea_popescu: ^

01:28:57 mircea_popescu: and even that, it's what... a hack.

01:29:01 mircea_popescu: does little really

01:29:45 decimation: this article has a pretty good map http://theaviationist.com/2014/03/22/satellite-china-new-debris/

01:29:50 asciilifeform: well, you can mostly level a megapolis, if you have reasonably-accurate targeting

01:30:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's play with math. latent heat for water is what, 12k, +4k per degree.

01:30:28 mircea_popescu: so if you want to boil up afghanistan, you're looking at

01:30:59 asciilifeform: why boil the sea. so wasteful. let's do 'great lakes.'

01:31:01 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 500000 * 10**6 * 50 * (80 *4000 + 12000)

01:31:01 gribble: 8300000000000000000

01:31:06 mircea_popescu: that's a quantity of joules.

01:31:19 decimation: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Peacekeeper-missile-testing.jpg

01:31:22 asciilifeform: (incidentally, vladimir chelomei suggested exactly this.)

01:31:45 asciilifeform: decimation: that's a famous picture. but - it's a long exposure.

01:31:57 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 8300000000000000000 / (6.1178632 * 10 ** 9)

01:31:57 gribble: 1356682836.58

01:32:31 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1356682836.58 * 100 / 500

01:32:31 gribble: 271336567.316

01:32:35 decimation: (8 300 000 000 000 000 000 joules) / (1 ton of tnt) =1.98374761 ? 109

01:32:43 mircea_popescu: cost 271mn btc to burn up afghanistan.

01:32:48 asciilifeform: lol

01:32:54 mircea_popescu: totally worth it right ?

01:33:07 asciilifeform: i also recall that there was a rather serious problem with 'warhead fratricide'

01:33:34 decimation: that's 200 10 megaton nukes

01:33:34 asciilifeform: neutrons from neighbouring blasts would prematurely pop the fissile initiator of a given piece

01:33:47 mircea_popescu: yeah that's a problem.

01:34:31 asciilifeform: if i recall, this was solved with some clever finesse (entirely absent in english language literature, afaik) with neutron tubes:

01:34:39 mircea_popescu: and the thing with megalopolis-oi. cairo yes, cause it's shit. but most modern people live spaced out.

01:34:49 mircea_popescu: europe is pretty much one single urban area by now

01:35:16 asciilifeform: primary was shaped in such a way that it needed 1) the explosive compression and, 2) a certain blast from neutron generator tube - to pop - and (2) would vary in strength based on background

01:35:26 decimation: well, the other point is that if the goal of your war is to capture the enemy's resources, destroying those brains in the cities is the way to defeat your own purpose

01:36:02 mircea_popescu: seems more practical to just start a facebook campaign

01:36:50 decimation: indeed.

01:37:16 mircea_popescu: which brings us exactly to why bitcoin is so important.

01:37:41 asciilifeform: the folks who originally built these things weren't hoping to conquer anything. they were satisfied with the idea of: glass parking lots, free of untermenschen.

01:40:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

01:41:26 decimation: in retrospect, that seems like a big joke

01:42:56 mircea_popescu: that's the chief value of retrospect

01:43:01 mircea_popescu: extracts the jokes

01:43:19 decimation: like in what respect would the us free of cities be valuable?

01:43:26 decimation: are you going to mine some coal and grow corn?

01:43:42 decimation: what's the point? they will do that today in exchange for little green peices of fabric

01:43:47 asciilifeform: decimation: in what sense is the corpse of the fellow you plug in a duel valuable?

01:43:57 asciilifeform: you - him, so he couldn't you.

01:43:58 decimation: a trophy I guess

01:44:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a duel eh ?

01:45:00 nubbins`: phew

01:45:04 nubbins`: long day

01:45:08 mircea_popescu: the ukrainians called a general mobilisation, nobody showed.

01:45:10 mircea_popescu: what duel ?

01:45:32 decimation: in a duel, you can be certain about the death of the enemy; not so much against the nuclear triad

01:45:34 mircea_popescu: if the russians invade alaska the us citizenry would flock there mostly to tweet about it

01:45:54 decimation: that logic more than anything explains the lack of nuclear exchange, in my opinion

01:46:22 decimation: there would be concern about the rights of the eskimos

01:46:29 asciilifeform: somebody should print cloth crib sheets, like the maps given to british officers during the war, but for americans. contents: 'don't shoot - i know secrets!' in 30 languages.

01:47:02 mircea_popescu: "don't shoot or i'll unfollow you"

01:47:08 asciilifeform: lol

01:47:11 nubbins`: heh.

01:47:22 joecool: +1

01:47:24 mircea_popescu: "i like your nonshooting of myself truly"

01:47:48 mircea_popescu: "dead men wash no dishes" / "dead women suck no cock"

01:47:56 mircea_popescu: there's plenty.

01:48:21 asciilifeform: oldie but goodie. orlov on twittards / silicon valley / etc. -

01:48:22 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html

01:48:23 ozbot: ClubOrlov: Dead Souls

01:49:49 mircea_popescu: and with that i'll bid you all a very good nuclear summer!

01:50:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

01:51:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00319999 = 0.32 BTC [+] {2}

02:00:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 123 @ 0.0032 = 0.3936 BTC [+]

02:01:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

02:03:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

02:13:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5123 @ 0.00095016 = 4.8677 BTC [+]

02:30:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25637 @ 0.00095214 = 24.41 BTC [+] {3}

02:43:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-]

02:44:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.06053355 = 0.5448 BTC [-] {6}

02:51:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.06200108 = 0.558 BTC [-] {5}

03:21:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 42 @ 0.00330984 = 0.139 BTC [-] {5}

03:55:07 Neil: .d

03:55:07 ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 359 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.2350% in 2d 3h 17m 54s

03:56:02 Neil: Shit the last 70-ish blocks have been insanely fast.

03:58:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 121 @ 0.00324619 = 0.3928 BTC [+] {2}

03:58:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34719 @ 0.00095313 = 33.0917 BTC [+] {4}

03:59:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 178 @ 0.003288 = 0.5853 BTC [+] {3}

03:59:50 MisterE: where is this letter to SEC?

04:18:11 chetty: MisterE: what letter?

04:19:04 MisterE: [23:23:48] mircea_popescu: Ghaleon as you approach mastery you'll notice the leet asshole is an epic bridge builder type.

04:19:04 MisterE: [23:24:41] Ghaleon: mp, yes, the challenge is finding that person who can build the epic bridges and present the right face... without going insane for long enough this community is doing an awesomejob

04:19:07 MisterE: [23:24:57] Ghaleon: your letter to sec was an example of that respectable, legally sound, defiant.. yet friendly

04:19:09 MisterE: [23:25:09] mircea_popescu: but im the elitist asshole to end all elitist assholes.

04:19:45 MisterE: chetty: thats what I want to know too!

04:23:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27960 @ 0.00095356 = 26.6615 BTC [+] {3}

04:28:12 chetty: MisterE, the whole email exchange is at:

04:28:15 chetty: http://fraudsters.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

04:28:15 ozbot: Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:28:34 MisterE: thanks

04:35:57 Neil: .d

04:35:57 ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 348 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.6670% in 2d 1h 28m 59s

04:59:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 31 @ 0.00419948 = 0.1302 BTC [+] {3}

05:02:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.0009537 = 5.15 BTC [+]

05:30:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19577 @ 0.00095108 = 18.6193 BTC [-]

05:41:58 MisterE: hah, love that exchange

05:42:14 MisterE: "Senior SEC Lawyer" put in his place nice work!

05:44:23 chetty: hopefully people will get the idea and stop shaking in their boots when the gubermint comes calling

05:44:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00094681 = 2.083 BTC [-]

05:44:39 Diablo-D3: what happened?

05:47:47 chetty: just rehashing the sec exchange

05:48:32 Diablo-D3: I must have missed that to begin with

05:48:35 *: Diablo-D3 has been busy the past 3 months

05:50:20 chetty: haha well its still this weeks news

05:50:26 chetty: http://fraudsters.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

05:50:27 ozbot: Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:52:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00623674 = 0.2682 BTC [+] {4}

06:04:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15655 @ 0.00094442 = 14.7849 BTC [-]

06:13:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00628 = 0.1068 BTC [+]

06:14:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0609995 = 0.122 BTC [+] {2}

06:15:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0619 = 0.2476 BTC [+]

06:30:29 MisterE: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/index.php looks like a really pro exchange with the latest news from 15th of last month...

06:31:40 KRS-One: not the same since they moved to panama

06:32:10 MisterE: so hard keeping track of these dodgy characters

06:32:35 MisterE: should be a site dedicated to vetting and tracking exchange owners

06:37:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00094552 = 22.5979 BTC [+]

06:48:18 chetty: MisterE, that would be more than a full time job

06:49:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07548966 = 0.3774 BTC [+]

06:50:48 MisterE: indeed, if only there were an organization already in place who could take on such a mission...

06:51:22 MisterE: too bad BCF is so irrelevant

06:53:52 MisterE: for weekend these markets are absolutely flat

06:53:54 MisterE: dead calm

06:54:10 MisterE: I'm beginning to think crypto has jumped the near-term shark

06:55:39 MisterE: LTC on Huobi dump destroyed a lot of n00bs who could have been milked for years instead of in one big dump but nobody thinks long-term

06:59:58 chetty: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/nsa-breached-chinese-servers-seen-as-spy-peril.html?hp&_r=0

07:04:45 cazalla: MisterE: I don't think the Chinese care for it, majority of the volume is still on btc-e, I figure coblee kicked this off on his brother's exchange just so he could sell without fees or risk

07:04:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 314 @ 0.00546 = 1.7144 BTC [-]

07:05:38 MisterE: yep cazalla China dumped on BTC-e

07:06:13 MisterE: I sold at 19.5 just before it went live, I told people to buy the hype sell the news but I know a lot of bag holders and people that got burned

07:07:29 cazalla: I'm not game to go near it or btc-e now

07:08:42 MisterE: I have fiat sitting in BTC-e now and have been increasingly thinking I need to do something about that

07:10:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00094552 = 4.8694 BTC [+]

07:11:21 MisterE: cazalla: no matter where you trade there is manipulation so might as well trade on the exchange where it mostly happens so you can see it

07:11:27 MisterE: this has been my thinking

07:12:29 MisterE: Even the simplest of tricks I se often like putting up a big wall and when the market starts moving canceling the order

07:13:26 cazalla: I don't anymore, not that what I did before was trading, more gambling

07:14:32 MisterE: oh I dont kid myself I know it's "calculated gambling" at best

07:14:38 MisterE: so where do I go from here?

07:14:53 cazalla: i stuck everything into cold storage

07:15:05 cazalla: it's a wonder i made it this far without being fleeced tbh

07:15:06 MisterE: I see

07:15:25 MisterE: yea there are so many people better at the game than me

07:15:41 cazalla: i've had coins in every scam

07:15:48 cazalla: not that i knew it at the time

07:16:02 cazalla: always seemed to cash out at the right time

07:16:16 MisterE: luck follows some of us

07:16:42 cazalla: yeah, i'm not game to push it any longer, i buy, put most into cold storage and save a little for some have some fun with it shit bets on bitbet

07:17:31 MisterE: I'm good at the craps table because I play a very conservative game, max odds and try to bet the trends, I'm up ~$15k in my lifetime and I was sort of feeling the same way abotu crypto, I'm doing OK but could all go to hell in one game

07:20:42 cazalla: works until it doesn't eh

07:21:17 cazalla: i'm not big on gambling, only bet on bitbet because most prop bets are bitcoin related and it's a bit of fun

07:21:59 MisterE: how's your bitbet roi? :)

07:22:24 cazalla: most are pending, i'm 3/3 so far

07:23:40 cazalla: i only bet small though so it's nothing to get excited about even if i won every bet

07:24:37 MisterE: I wonder how much traffic they are getting

07:25:16 cazalla: 117k alex rank, my guess would be 2500-5000 uniques a day?

07:25:26 MisterE: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitbet.com

07:25:45 MisterE: 309k

07:26:00 cazalla: wrong site

07:26:05 cazalla: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitbet.us

07:26:56 MisterE: ahhh

07:27:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

07:27:14 MisterE: thats better

07:28:03 cazalla: where are you from MisterE? it's usually quiet in here at this time, any chance australia or down this way?

07:28:24 MisterE: I'm US but live in Asia for many years

07:28:41 MisterE: yea most of my IRC friends are Aussies

07:29:06 MisterE: because we're awake at the same time and you seem to be one of the few countries left who can stand us :P

07:29:38 cazalla: moot says 95% of the shit posters on 4chan are from australia

07:30:15 cazalla: i don't mind yanks but we call you guys seppos when you're here

07:30:29 MisterE: Well I dunno about your younger generation, you sound like an adult :D

07:30:38 MisterE: yea seppo is the term

07:30:45 MisterE: pommies

07:30:47 MisterE: kiwis

07:30:50 MisterE: Jocks

07:31:37 cazalla: although we're becoming more PC

07:31:39 cazalla: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/22085122/charge-over-nic-nat-slurs/

07:31:54 cazalla: can't even call a guy a nigger anymore without being arrested

07:32:38 cazalla: tackling cyber bullying is a big thing here nowadays

07:32:49 MisterE: Yeah, what is the major malfunction with your cops sheesh? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/after-snowden-australias-cops-worry-about-people-using-crypto/

07:33:59 cazalla: it's fucked but that seems to be occurring in every country now

07:34:38 MisterE: Yea but you and the Kiwis and sometimes the Canuks were the rational ones usually

07:35:13 MisterE: you've all been poisoned by USA FUD

07:35:28 cazalla: liberal SJW fud

07:35:49 MisterE: sjw?

07:36:04 MisterE: labour is out right?

07:36:21 MisterE: you have a conservative government now iirc?

07:36:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9177 @ 0.0009507 = 8.7246 BTC [+]

07:36:34 cazalla: social justice warrior

07:36:42 cazalla: liberal in australia means something else to liberal in america

07:37:11 MisterE: there is no liberal in the US anymore

07:37:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6334998 BTC [+]

07:37:35 MisterE: it's shifted so far to the right that conservatives of old would not even have a place in the spectrum anymore

07:37:48 cazalla: i thought it was leftist?

07:37:52 cazalla: like it is here

07:38:14 dub: liberal in australia means you marry more than one farm animal

07:38:26 cazalla: oh shots fired

07:38:32 MisterE: dub: thought that was a scouser thing?

07:40:18 MisterE: cazalla: a lot of it is because of our primaries system

07:40:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000151 BTC [-]

07:40:31 MisterE: not much participation by any but the extremists

07:40:40 MisterE: so candidates cater to them

07:40:59 MisterE: and the party determines who to back with like 1% of the base voting at primaries

07:41:15 MisterE: then after the primary they try to broaden their message to appeal to more people

07:41:27 cazalla: i am finding a lot of people my age no longer care, don't even bother voting even though it's compulsory

07:41:34 MisterE: but we have to satisfy the whackos because they man the gates to power

07:41:57 MisterE: thats really sad to hear about AU

07:42:07 MisterE: in US I can understand voter apathy

07:42:13 MisterE: your country is hardly as fucked up

07:42:29 cazalla: 2 party system here, both are the same

07:44:02 MisterE: at least it's not first pass the post system

07:44:40 MisterE: this is excellent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

07:45:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14173 @ 0.00094955 = 13.458 BTC [-]

07:48:14 usaoscoin: .bait

07:48:15 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/d2a27e3ad789b8ad6e744419c0bb0c0d/tumblr_mrwdi7jVwf1qz9pzzo1_500.jpg

07:50:04 cazalla: i would vote for snake because at least he is honest about who and what he is

07:50:32 cazalla: seriously though, i don't care anymore

07:51:02 cazalla: one party wins, they'll rule for 2 periods and then we will swap to the other team for 2 periods and on it goes

07:51:55 cazalla: the last election was pretty much won on who would be tougher on boat people

07:52:32 cazalla: so we vote for whoever will keep them out yet no politician is game to get up and say he will sink the boats and feed the people to the sharks

07:52:57 cazalla: meanwhile, most illegals come by plane anyway

07:56:54 MisterE: what do you mean cazalla ?

07:57:08 MisterE: if they come by plane they are turned back at immigration?

07:57:15 MisterE: or you mean covertly from PNG?

07:57:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9422 @ 0.00094914 = 8.9428 BTC [-] {2}

07:57:45 cazalla: overstaying visas etc

07:57:52 MisterE: oic

07:58:11 MisterE: is there no efort to locate people who overstay?

07:58:23 MisterE: when the cops stop them for something don't they get caught?

07:58:49 MisterE: boat people are coming from Indo?

07:59:36 cazalla: i'm sure they try to catch them but it's like finding a needle in a haystack

08:00:02 MisterE: oh lots of people work 'off the books' there right?

08:00:06 cazalla: not even that many people come by boat

08:00:09 MisterE: paid cash

08:00:11 cazalla: yeah, they do

08:00:18 MisterE: ok I remember now

08:00:24 MisterE: you anywhere near Bris?

08:00:31 cazalla: other way, Melbourne

08:00:32 MisterE: got a couple mates around there

08:00:38 MisterE: ok

08:00:47 cazalla: most people here don't share my views though

08:00:57 cazalla: they're happy to be flooded by immigrants

08:00:59 MisterE: howso?

08:01:05 MisterE: cheap labor?

08:01:07 cazalla: meanwhile, 85% of asylum seekers here don't have a job after 5 years

08:01:12 cazalla: because they have white guilt

08:01:19 cazalla: welfare system in this country is being bled dry

08:01:19 MisterE: ahh interesting

08:01:31 MisterE: but not by the aboriginals?

08:01:38 MisterE: by aliens?

08:01:44 cazalla: abos are a minority really

08:01:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00095109 = 20.7338 BTC [+] {2}

08:01:51 cazalla: but they too leech the system

08:02:06 MisterE: not that I'm particularly happy the welfare system is paying into aboriginals and decimating the culture but... not my country

08:02:20 MisterE: they are the only deserving leeches

08:02:27 MisterE: they were there first and all

08:02:34 cazalla: so you've got middle class tax payer upset that immigrants, asylum seekers, illegals etc etc are flooding the country, draining the welfare system while they pay for it in increased taxes, gov sells off it's assets to pay for people that don't even belong here

08:03:05 cazalla: abos have been given more than any other people in this country MisterE

08:03:08 MisterE: anyone else so comes from abroad should not be able to get benefits even if they can't show they are there legally or a citizen

08:03:12 cazalla: free housing, free land, free everything

08:03:25 MisterE: yea those handouts are curses in disguise

08:03:30 cazalla: they are

08:03:34 MisterE: look at the US indian reservations for examples

08:03:38 cazalla: they are totally dependent on the system

08:03:45 MisterE: it's a disaster

08:03:52 MisterE: alcholism rampant

08:03:59 MisterE: alcoholism*

08:04:18 MisterE: ofc the reservations are in the shittiest places where there is no work

08:04:21 cazalla: which fuels the hate people like me have towards them

08:04:30 cazalla: as the middle class see them getting something we're not plus we pay for it

08:04:37 Diablo-D3: I think reservations should be ended to be honest

08:04:45 Diablo-D3: you have many rights as an american

08:04:58 cazalla: if it was an even playing field, i probably wouldn't be so hostile to them like most australian's are

08:05:00 Diablo-D3: growing up in an environment that isnt 24/7 drugs, rape, and whatnot is one of them

08:05:32 Diablo-D3: its appalling what some americans do to others, and then make them think it was their idea

08:06:16 cazalla: Diablo-D3: the australian government removed indigenous children from homes like that, 50 years later, lawsuits everywhere

08:06:24 MisterE: Why are you hostile to the people who just want a better life? You should be pissed at your representatives in Sydney who are making policy on how to handle it and I guess believe in handouts for people who can't vote?

08:06:25 Diablo-D3: cazalla: they did it here

08:06:29 Diablo-D3: lawsuits here as well

08:06:29 MisterE: that sounds hard to believe

08:06:38 Diablo-D3: but its because they DIDNT go to better homes

08:06:47 Diablo-D3: and they were denied the birthright of their own culture

08:06:49 Diablo-D3: what Im saying is

08:06:56 Diablo-D3: treat native americans like the americans they are

08:07:04 Diablo-D3: no free pass just because they're native american

08:07:06 cazalla: MisterE: they don't want a better life, they want to live in the bush as they did before the British came here, I am happy for them to do that, government is not and they keep throwing money at them

08:07:33 cazalla: MisterE: and I'm hostile (some would say hateful) because I am paying for it as is the rest of the middle class and we're jack of it

08:07:35 Diablo-D3: cazalla: yes, and thats because they've been brainwashed by people who dont have their best interests in mind

08:07:51 Diablo-D3: its okay to go back to the land, as long as you do responsibly

08:07:57 Diablo-D3: I almost do as much

08:07:59 MisterE: Diablo-D3: Americans are some of the worst most uncaring people I've ever met and I'm pretty well travelled everywhere except Europe and North Asia / Russia

08:08:08 Diablo-D3: MisterE: some are, some arent

08:08:20 Diablo-D3: Im American, Ive never been accused of being uncaring

08:08:47 MisterE: If Katrina had hit The Hamptons you think people would be drowning in their second story homes?

08:09:03 MisterE: they care just not about the poor

08:09:10 MisterE: who are constantly shafted

08:09:25 cazalla: MisterE: pointless being pissed at the politicians who enable them because my vote makes no difference and they don't care once they are in office anyway

08:09:38 MisterE: Diablo-D3: American here too just living abroad

08:10:26 MisterE: OK it's impossible to change shit in the US at the ballot box because it's corporate owned but shit you still have a functioning democracy you could make use of

08:10:44 cazalla: anyway, i think the situation is too far gone here in Australia as it likely has in the rest of the world

08:10:49 MisterE: vote the bums out organize

08:10:54 MisterE: nobody does it eh?

08:11:04 MisterE: wow

08:11:18 MisterE: I had no idea there was that uch frustration

08:11:29 cazalla: you can't because they destroyed our homogeneous society by bringing in boat loads of people who don't share the culture, don't care for the country but have their hand out for welfare

08:11:59 cazalla: MisterE: welfare is a massive problem here

08:12:15 MisterE: so vote in politicians who will reign in the welfare?

08:12:24 cazalla: something like 1 in 4 Australian's get welfare

08:12:39 cazalla: every 2nd person has a back problem or some bullshit for disability

08:12:45 MisterE: cutting welfare costs is non an unpopular topic for campaigns in the US

08:13:00 MisterE: oh so everyone is in the tit

08:13:06 MisterE: in/on*

08:13:07 cazalla: MisterE: current politician is "reviewing it"

08:13:14 MisterE: lol yea

08:13:17 cazalla: but they won't do anything because that many people get welfare now that it's political suicide

08:13:18 MisterE: perpetual review

08:13:40 cazalla: plus with an aging populace

08:13:42 cazalla: we're just so fucked

08:13:44 MisterE: start running up a debt like the US and you'll be foreced to

08:13:52 MisterE: oh you got a baby boom too?

08:14:00 cazalla: boomers are about to retire

08:14:06 cazalla: no-one my age is getting married or having kids

08:14:07 Dimsler: about to?

08:14:10 Dimsler: they are already retiring

08:14:10 Dimsler: wtf

08:14:15 MisterE: you 20-30?

08:14:21 cazalla: 31

08:14:27 MisterE: man thats fucked

08:14:40 MisterE: they've left you a nice mess

08:14:47 cazalla: Dimsler: some

08:14:54 cazalla: many still in the workforce though

08:15:10 cazalla: but they're hanging around for as long as they can because the pension isn't enough to sustain them

08:15:11 MisterE: at least it is not as big and bad as the mess US baby boomers are leaving to their grandchildren

08:15:42 MisterE: the golden years

08:15:59 MisterE: burned up with doctor visits and working part-time after a long life of toiling for the corps

08:16:02 MisterE: fuck that

08:16:07 MisterE: I'd be disallusioned too

08:16:17 MisterE: disillusioned*

08:17:02 cazalla: plus we have some of the most expensive property in the world

08:17:10 MisterE: Enjoy life now when you're young and can, leave a decent looking corpse is basically my retirement plan

08:17:42 cazalla: how old are you MisterE

08:17:42 MisterE: that property should be held by the members of that homogenous society you mentioned no?

08:17:45 MisterE: thats power

08:17:54 cazalla: of course but we're our own worst enemy

08:18:04 cazalla: Chinese come here and offer big bucks and who's going to refuse that?

08:18:11 MisterE: older than you but not enough to be your father

08:18:24 cazalla: big problem with that here - locals being pushed out by Chinese who bid 20% over asking price at auction

08:18:57 MisterE: oh that should be stopped ASAP you can't have foreign counties buying up your country

08:18:59 cazalla: depsite all that, it's a great country :)

08:19:12 MisterE: because there's not a ton of livable land

08:19:22 MisterE: those chinese dont want to live in the bush

08:19:45 MisterE: strict rules on land ownership here because of that

08:21:19 cazalla: MisterE, when I was 20, I thought ideas like social justice, equality, peace etc etc were good ideas, now that I'm in my 30s, I find myself hoping for a catalyst that would bring about a nationalist party to power, that's a big change in just a decade

08:21:41 MisterE: yea 180

08:21:50 cazalla: i don't see how else you can unite a people and kick out the leeches

08:22:00 MisterE: I used to be a crusader and activist int he US in my 20s

08:22:18 MisterE: I gave up in my 30s and got disgusted and ben out for 8 years now

08:22:42 cazalla: hopefully hitler reincarnate will come back here, appropriate everything foreign owned, send the refugees back home (85% without a job, still on welfare after 5 years? fuck that)

08:23:00 MisterE: I had a consulting company that paid a lot of tax and saw it all going to fight those wars and what not, no thankyou

08:23:58 cazalla: it's not right, is it

08:24:26 cazalla: i'm jack of it and i suspect there are a growing number of people like me from the middle class who won't put up with it for much longer

08:24:34 MisterE: no and I can't find anywhere in the world better

08:24:46 MisterE: I'm mobile, single, can work remotely and financially secure

08:25:12 MisterE: there's not a place I can think of to live that's not fucked one way or another

08:25:31 MisterE: So I'm usually based in Thailand

08:25:35 bounce: well, wasn't it the /national/ government that fscked it all up so bad?

08:25:40 MisterE: because at least here its lawlwess

08:26:04 MisterE: cant blam the govs only imho people have come to expect too much from gov

08:26:16 MisterE: what happened to taking care of your own shit and self responsibility

08:26:37 bounce: well, what do you think happened to it?

08:26:48 MisterE: saving used to be good now if your credit cards aren't maxed you're not a patriot

08:27:09 MisterE: traded out for short-term gains I guess bounce

08:27:17 MisterE: short-sighted*

08:27:25 bounce: you take care of yourself, pay taxes, gov't takes care of those who can't help themselves with "free money". then more and more people want in on the free monies, and so it goes.

08:27:34 cazalla: bounce: conservative values were destroyed and here we are, least that is what i see it as, evils of feminism and all that

08:28:00 MisterE: feminism backfired in some big ways eh?

08:28:03 cazalla: it was shameful to take welfare once upon a time

08:28:11 cazalla: now it's like, whatever

08:28:12 bounce: talking in -isms won't help you, seeing how those got us there in the first place

08:28:13 MisterE: now it takes 2 incomes to qualify for a home loan lol

08:28:20 MisterE: suckered at every turn

08:28:57 cazalla: no wonder men prefer to sit in their parents basement playing video games

08:29:30 MisterE: yea, given the human condition as I see it it's understandable

08:29:34 MisterE: and then there is IRC

08:29:36 MisterE: and beet

08:29:41 MisterE: beer*

08:29:42 MisterE: and

08:29:44 MisterE: .bait

08:29:46 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/b0e860a2b5b8b71036335f5a6c1c50e9/tumblr_mgfvmks0FY1qm2q0lo1_500.jpg

08:30:06 cazalla: well, i've been drinking hence the shit spewing out of my mouth

08:30:08 bounce: I think you both are wallowing in the same kind of feeling put upon that got the activists up before and had them change the gov't and such more to their liking

08:30:25 cazalla: i usually keep my mouth shut in here while sober

08:30:40 MisterE: If there were a real grass roots movement I would go back to the US to be a part of it

08:31:01 cazalla: bounce: you're right, i have a whinge, jerk off and go to bed

08:31:07 MisterE: that occupy wall street hippy thing was not it

08:31:15 MisterE: lol

08:31:25 MisterE: fucking life sucks if this is good as it gets

08:32:04 cazalla: oh i have a good life

08:32:11 MisterE: What we really need is a war to kill off like 10%

08:32:15 cazalla: i feel it's being threatened

08:32:17 MisterE: harsh but its true

08:32:26 bounce: would you be part of that 10%?

08:32:35 cazalla: i was just about to say that

08:32:42 cazalla: just like those who call for population control

08:32:42 MisterE: the remaining 90 will suddenly remember what is important in life and we'll have another generation or 2 of harmony

08:32:57 cazalla: oh, how about you go and get sterilised? oh, they didn't mean themselves, just others

08:33:03 MisterE: bounce: depends on the cause

08:33:26 bounce: the cause of making some elitist jerk the new king of the hill, what else?

08:33:32 cazalla: i don't think this conversation would fly in here during peak hours

08:33:41 MisterE: heh no?

08:33:54 cazalla: i sorta feel i'm shitting where i eat heh

08:33:56 bounce: but at least it's /your/ jerk for king of the hill

08:34:30 MisterE: I'm never here so I don't know but I thought pretty much politics and intelligent exchange of ideas is OK

08:34:37 cazalla: anyway, going to make some dinner

08:34:46 MisterE: haha

08:35:15 cazalla: MisterE: it is but i only talk when drunk and unlikely to say anything intelligible then

08:35:58 MisterE: naah I learned a lot about how Austrailians think and whats really going on there from this chat

08:36:06 MisterE: valuable to me

08:45:11 cazalla: MisterE: I would only get away talking like this at the pub, not in general public, there are just as many who would disagree with me but they typically want to pile on for the free shit from the government

08:46:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00094525 = 18.2433 BTC [-] {2}

08:46:34 MisterE: you know the US libertarian ideal?

08:46:54 MisterE: that always seemed to be the kind of state you guys had managed to make

08:47:51 MisterE: now I hear the welfare has messed it up like the UK, maybe followed that model.

08:48:11 MisterE: instead of welfare give free college education or something

08:50:44 cazalla: we have that already

08:51:02 cazalla: most people take a loan and never pay it back so it is effectively free

08:52:20 chetty: is there actually anywhere in the world left thats not pretty much a welfare state?

08:52:22 cazalla: MisterE: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/21/australias-unsustainable-welfare-system-to-be-overhauled-says-minister

08:52:24 cazalla: "The overview shows the number of people receiving government payments in 2012 was 5,033,323, with the age pension making up almost half that number at 2,282,592"

08:52:38 cazalla: population of Australia is like 22million

08:53:02 cazalla: so 1 in 4, 1 in 5 receive welfare

08:53:46 cazalla: you can get on disability for shit like depression here

08:53:57 cazalla: almost makes you want to say fuck it, get a payment and use it to buy bitcoins

08:54:33 chetty: isnt US welfare actually more than min wage now?

08:55:12 cazalla: I would guess Australia welfare pays better than Walmart

08:56:52 MisterE: US welfare ain't that great

08:56:58 MisterE: it used to be more cushy

08:57:02 MisterE: but reagan cut that shit

08:57:35 MisterE: was pretty harsh people coming off some things like mental health services took a beating but it's evened out since

08:57:44 chetty: hasn't O pretty much put it back?

08:57:52 MisterE: it's still not very great but you have to be trying to work or something and its not endless

08:58:15 MisterE: did O change it? I didn't think so

08:58:24 MisterE: maybe an injection from "stimulus"?

08:58:29 MisterE: but that'd be 1 time

08:58:42 chetty: yeah he cut the looking for work stuff

08:58:50 MisterE: oh really?

08:58:56 MisterE: I liked that part

09:00:00 MisterE: Either way you're screwed in the US, this pretty much sums it up: http://i.imgur.com/PPzfayh.jpg

09:00:09 MisterE: pic worth 1k words and all

09:01:17 HeySteve2: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-30/other-america-taxpayers-are-fools-working-stupid

09:01:18 ozbot: The Other America: "Taxpayers Are The Fools... Working Is Stupid" | Zero Hedge

09:02:38 chetty: ugh, and I just finished my tax return

09:07:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00094884 = 31.881 BTC [+]

09:08:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00095166 = 24.4577 BTC [+] {2}

09:45:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07292002 = 1.823 BTC [-] {4}

09:49:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.073 = 0.73 BTC [+]

09:57:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.073 = 0.73 BTC [+]

10:17:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62509 BTC [+]

10:17:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9447 @ 0.00094923 = 8.9674 BTC [-]

10:20:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.63499989 = 5.08 BTC [+] {6}

10:21:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.63910534 = 17.8949 BTC [+] {5}

10:22:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.006289 = 0.3145 BTC [+] {2}

10:24:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00629027 = 0.5032 BTC [+] {5}

10:25:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.0063 = 0.1071 BTC [+] {2}

10:37:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.003161 = 0.1991 BTC [+] {2}

10:38:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 128 @ 0.00316 = 0.4045 BTC [-] {2}

10:38:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 320 @ 0.00082435 = 0.2638 BTC [-] {4}

10:49:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00094923 = 0.4746 BTC [-]

10:53:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00095174 = 0.4759 BTC [+]

11:05:14 mircea_popescu: MisterE except the only exchange owner we know is me, and so i guess you can use fraudsters for that purpose.

11:06:52 mircea_popescu: MisterE: LTC on Huobi dump destroyed a lot of n00bs who could have been milked for years instead of in one big dump but nobody thinks long-term << no, you don't understand. destroying scams IS thinking long term.

11:07:23 mircea_popescu: this isn't supposed to be a "milking noobs for years" thing, and it's not supposed to be either accessible to or productive for the sort of car salesman that thinks himself a financier now.

11:07:58 mircea_popescu: so in general expect pump and dumps to be punctured randomly and outside of the originator's control going forward, so as to hurt the originator and his friends.

11:10:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13680 @ 0.00095045 = 13.0022 BTC [-] {2}

11:23:04 chetty: Russia has amassed enough forces on Ukraine?s border to reach the dispute region of Transnistria, NATO?s top military commander told a conference in Brussels on Sunday, Reuters reported.

11:24:20 mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, paris.

11:30:39 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell heysteve2 "I believe every caller on talk radio, just like I believe every story on zh." << there you go. it's like playboy forum by now.

11:30:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:33:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2487 @ 0.00013 = 0.3233 BTC [-] {4}

11:33:47 Neil: Geez the last 60 blocks have been in half-time

11:34:40 mircea_popescu: ;;estimate

11:34:42 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4939815404.41 based on data since last change | 5576146819.12 based on data for last three days

11:34:47 mircea_popescu: whoa.

11:34:53 Neil: .d

11:34:53 ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 278 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.1945% in 1d 14h 41m 28s

11:35:06 mircea_popescu: bitcoin network, always surprising.

11:35:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3459 @ 0.00047535 = 1.6442 BTC [-] {5}

11:35:26 Neil: At some stage people are gonna stop throwing money at mining. Amazes me how long it's taking though.

11:36:01 Neil: Just difficulty stabilization is gonna be a minor supply shock in bitcoin land.

11:36:17 mircea_popescu: that's why the throwing money isn't stopping, i'd guess.

11:36:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05933366 = 0.356 BTC [-] {4}

11:36:37 mircea_popescu: but anyway, the us spends what, 100bn on defense a year ?

11:36:46 Neil: mircea_popescu: And prices are down 50%. I'd have expected that to be a damper.

11:36:48 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is much more than the us, why shouldn't it spend much more ?

11:36:59 mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone cares about the spot

11:37:04 mircea_popescu: which explains why we have such a shitty spot

11:37:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.062 = 0.372 BTC [-] {3}

11:37:21 Neil: Miners must do, unless they're spending savings and not selling what they mine

11:37:36 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 60 / 6

11:37:37 gribble: 31709.7919838

11:37:42 mircea_popescu: 31k spent per block

11:37:52 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 31/25

11:37:53 gribble: 1.24

11:38:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-]

11:38:24 mircea_popescu: fun fact : any point btc is over 1240 usd, the bitcoin network is spending more for its own security than the united states government spends on defense.

11:38:50 Neil: 10**11 is what, 100 billion?

11:39:00 Neil: They spend more than that no?

11:39:24 mircea_popescu: nope.

11:39:30 mircea_popescu: bout there, 100ish.

11:40:07 Neil: Your calc is wrong

11:40:16 mircea_popescu: they ususally are

11:40:19 mircea_popescu: what'd i do this time ?

11:40:19 Neil: 60/6 should be (60/6)

11:40:35 Neil: ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 10

11:40:35 gribble: 1141552.51142

11:40:52 mircea_popescu: awww

11:40:59 mircea_popescu: but right you are!

11:41:06 Neil: ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 rather

11:41:06 gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)

11:41:10 Neil: ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6

11:41:11 gribble: 1902587.51903

11:41:42 Neil: ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 / 25

11:41:42 gribble: 76103.500761

11:41:47 Neil: So $76k per coin

11:42:12 Neil: If it gets to $76k I'm long retired on a sunny island

11:42:23 mircea_popescu: im not.

11:43:27 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 60 / 6 / (60/6)

11:43:27 gribble: 1

11:43:33 mircea_popescu: um...

11:43:47 mircea_popescu: so then 60 / 6 = (60 / 6) ?

11:44:00 mircea_popescu: whereas!

11:44:17 mircea_popescu: ;;calc (1/60 / 6) / (1/ (60/6))

11:44:17 gribble: 0.0277777777778

11:44:22 mircea_popescu: whereas

11:44:25 Neil: But I'll still log on to bitcoin-assets from said sunny island, I promise!

11:44:40 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 76103.500761 / 1.24

11:44:40 gribble: 61373.7909363

11:45:56 Neil: mircea_popescu: Judging from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States and adding 3 yrs of inflation I think we're closer to 10 ** 12.

11:46:20 mircea_popescu: i recall recently seeing the us budget, and it was 100ish

11:46:23 Neil: Call it $500k per BTC.

11:46:31 mircea_popescu: and you don't ADD inflation, because you're not in 2009 dollars today.

11:46:38 mircea_popescu: you substract inflation from the 2009 figures

11:47:02 Neil: I'm sure they're spending more not less.

11:47:13 MisterE: not calling the whole LTC on Huobi thing a scam just very heavily manipulated but all markets are manipulated so... The writing was on the wall for me luckily I guess.

11:47:30 MisterE: And I mean the "milking the n00bs" coment tongue in cheek

11:47:36 MisterE: meant*

11:47:38 Neil: What's been happening with LTC? Still at 0.027-20.028; what's changed?

11:47:52 MisterE: 15.65 lol

11:47:52 Neil: 0.027-0.028

11:47:57 MisterE: dead calm

11:48:03 mircea_popescu: Neil fuck me you're right http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/presidential-budget-2015/

11:48:09 mircea_popescu: MisterE im just a hater

11:49:08 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 495.6 * 10**9 / 365 / 24 / 6 / 25

11:49:08 gribble: 377168.949772

11:49:16 mircea_popescu: that's the official, definitive, correct figure. 377k.

11:49:32 Neil: Someone's added some fsck-off hashpower to the network in the last 2 days.

11:49:38 mircea_popescu: yeah.

11:49:44 Neil: They're coming out every 5mins on average.

11:49:48 mircea_popescu: the us and the chinese :D

11:49:56 mircea_popescu: gotta spend that half trn somehow

11:50:17 MisterE: what are you hating on MP?

11:50:30 mircea_popescu: tongue in cheek comment!

11:50:34 mircea_popescu: see, you can't spot them either!

11:50:37 *: MisterE here you go: http://imgur.com/gallery/wmHpE

11:50:43 MisterE: :p

11:53:46 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell asciilifeform "Social networking and mobile computing are hot" dude this orlov guy...

11:53:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:55:27 Duffer1: MP link?

11:55:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 328 @ 0.000835 = 0.2739 BTC [-]

11:55:39 mircea_popescu: http://cluborlov.blogspot.ro/2011/07/dead-souls.html

11:55:39 ozbot: ClubOrlov: Dead Souls

11:55:42 Duffer1: you've mentioned orlov a few times

11:55:44 Duffer1: thanks

11:55:59 mircea_popescu: some strange ideas in there, and most of it oldman nonsense. there's no absolute limit to physical development.

11:56:14 Duffer1: oh is he the fuffles guy?

11:56:21 mircea_popescu: and no, i don't mention him, other people keep mentioning him, like herbi and ascii. i thnk he's mostly clueless and generally vain.

11:56:30 mircea_popescu: bezzle / fuffel ? yeah

11:56:34 Duffer1: i see

11:57:29 mircea_popescu: tho both concepts are in general currency ( http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2008/12/16/madoff-galbraith-and-the-bezzle/ )

11:57:53 mircea_popescu: and i don't think orlov even uses the latter, just, a current russian expression ascii explained in english at some point

11:59:01 mircea_popescu: i suppose properly bezzle should be traced back to gailbrath, cca 1929

11:59:17 mircea_popescu: galbraith*

12:02:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, turns out this was obviously not a serious piece, so i guess teaches me to protest before finishing an article.

12:09:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.059394 = 0.1188 BTC [+] {2}

12:15:00 Neil: Well BTC > $10k bet suddenly became lopsided this week.

12:28:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 72 @ 0.00546 = 0.3931 BTC [-]

12:30:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0061001 = 0.61 BTC [-]

12:34:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.639001 BTC [-]

12:35:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 287 @ 0.00526144 = 1.51 BTC [-] {9}

12:36:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10515 @ 0.00095174 = 10.0075 BTC [+]

12:39:40 mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/gallery/eOeppfc

12:39:40 ozbot: Bill Cosby speaking the truf. Bippity Bop - Imgur

12:39:56 mircea_popescu: Neil yeah heavy on no nao

12:40:54 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5854744#msg5854744

12:40:56 ozbot: Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide

12:40:56 mircea_popescu: owch

12:45:16 mircea_popescu: jurov so is fico winning ?

12:51:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07270326 = 0.1454 BTC [-]

13:25:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.0009527 = 35.4881 BTC [+] {4}

13:25:23 mircea_popescu: ;;google famous jewish rabies

13:25:24 gribble: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jewish history/Archive 4 - Wikipedia, the ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Jewish_history/Archive_4; Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: Israel Is a 'Rabid Dog' | Jewish ... - Algemeiner: http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/11/20/ayatollah-ali-khamenei-israel-is-a-%E2%80%98rabid-dog%E2%80%99/; JCR-UK - Susser Archive - History of the (1 more message)

13:27:32 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/heres-a-thought-being-bitcoin-is-more-of-a-something-to-be-than-being-jewish-ever-was-or-could-ever-be/

13:27:33 ozbot: Here’s a thought : being Bitcoin is more of a something to be than being Jewish ever was or could

13:30:34 MisterE: haha and BCF hate at the end love it

13:31:04 MisterE: I dont go on bitcointalk forum much such a time sink

13:32:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.639 = 5.112 BTC [-]

13:40:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62000005 = 1.24 BTC [-] {2}

13:59:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49574 @ 0.00095281 = 47.2346 BTC [+] {4}

14:07:57 ThickAsThieves: <Neil> Someone's added some fsck-off hashpower to the network in the last 2 days. /// probly ASICMINER stuff

14:12:09 VanCleef: nah not asicminer

14:12:16 VanCleef: they're dying

14:12:28 artifexd: ThickAsThieves Do you know anyone running the altcoin testnet that I can connect to?

14:13:38 ThickAsThieves: i dont think anyone runs one

14:14:07 mircea_popescu: pretty sure blue matt was at some point

14:14:17 artifexd: lol

14:15:06 artifexd: I guess I get to test code in production, as it were.

14:15:23 mircea_popescu: hearn did it...

14:15:37 artifexd: That doesn't make it a good idea.

14:15:42 mircea_popescu: you don't say ?!

14:15:50 artifexd: I do say!

14:15:53 mircea_popescu: no but srsly, i can't believe they'd have stopped the testnet

14:16:00 mircea_popescu: ask in #bitcoin-dev for some testcoins or something

14:16:11 mircea_popescu: or, alternatively, use the ATC newtork, it's a direct copy of bitcoin

14:16:11 artifexd: I don't want bitcoin testnet. I want altcoin testnet.

14:16:18 mircea_popescu: i'll send you some atc if you can't work it out ah

14:16:33 mircea_popescu: oh nm me i completely misread.

14:16:36 kakobreklaa: you wont really cause pankkake ripped you

14:16:44 Apocalyptic: he did ?

14:16:54 mircea_popescu: kakobreklaa sheeeit

14:17:15 mircea_popescu: dude ran o0ff with my altcoinz ?!

14:17:20 pankkake: I am alive

14:17:24 mircea_popescu: o hey there.

14:17:26 pankkake: hello

14:17:32 mircea_popescu: kakobreklaa see ? slander again.

14:17:33 kakobreklaa: i take it back.

14:17:36 mircea_popescu: pankkake you ok ?

14:17:36 pankkake: I'll be more available in a few days

14:17:39 mircea_popescu: cool.

14:17:44 mircea_popescu: no emergency, relax.

14:17:52 kakobreklaa: its not slander if you miss someone!

14:17:59 mircea_popescu: slanderlove

14:18:00 pankkake: yeah, very tired and irlbusy these last few weeks

14:18:18 pankkake: e-mail is sure to reach me

14:18:44 ThickAsThieves: artifexd, may I ask whatcha working on?

14:19:03 artifexd: atcdice.com

14:19:12 mircea_popescu: o hey.

14:19:26 ThickAsThieves: sweet

14:19:33 mircea_popescu: all the fun of gambling with none of the bitcoin downside!!11

14:19:34 pankkake: artifexd: I don't think there ever was a altcoin testnet. if it's configured in the code, you can start it yourself I guess!

14:19:44 ThickAsThieves: lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide

14:20:00 artifexd: There's a testnet checkpoint at block 546 (or somewhere thereabouts).

14:20:14 pankkake: ouch, it's wrong then

14:20:25 artifexd: I may have to just reset the genesis block and remove the checkpoints and start mining it myself.

14:20:30 artifexd: Difficulty should be low. :)

14:21:01 mircea_popescu: lol

14:21:23 ThickAsThieves: why isn't Homeland Security part of the Defense budget?

14:22:08 nubbins`: it's worked into the Offense budget

14:22:25 chetty: offensive

14:22:38 pankkake: if you make it I'll merge your genesis block/checkpoints

14:22:49 MisterE: homeland sec doesn't include all law enforcement either

14:23:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because otherwise all their unjustifiable expenses stand out as a sore thumb

14:23:21 mircea_popescu: there was a rash of reporting their haliburtonesque mismanagement of resources in 2002-2003

14:23:30 mircea_popescu: it's meanwhile disappeared, but the problem's only gotten worse.

14:24:10 mircea_popescu: in many ways the usg is much like a bitcointalk investor : can't get anything done because surrounded by thieves

14:25:54 MisterE: the leaked "black budget" gave us a bit more insight and you can extrapolate how they compartmentalize from there

14:25:55 ThickAsThieves: look we cut Defense spending by .1%! Ignore that Homeland Security part.

14:26:17 mircea_popescu: myeah.

14:26:23 MisterE: the pieces of the pie they argue over that include social services are definitely the small ones.

14:26:40 MisterE: no budget has ever included the 10 years war(s)

14:26:50 MisterE: wait Obama did in his first

14:28:39 ThickAsThieves: so basically the budgets represent each of the USG's corporations, not actual categories

14:29:42 mircea_popescu: pretty much

14:33:12 MisterE: too bad that SEC layer didnt come to IRC :)

14:33:17 MisterE: lawyer*

14:34:15 VanCleef: anybods find this useful? - http://www.google.com/finance

14:34:38 ThickAsThieves: as useful as any google search i guess

14:34:49 ThickAsThieves: you can look up tickers n stuff

14:34:58 VanCleef: i just found it a few days ago, made a portfolio, its pretty neat

14:34:59 mircea_popescu: just as useful as any free market data service

14:35:05 mircea_popescu: msn has one, yahoo has one, bloomberg has one

14:35:08 mircea_popescu: and i think there's more.

14:35:20 mircea_popescu: MisterE time's not ended yet.

14:36:08 VanCleef: do you invest irl shares/securties mircea?

14:36:09 MisterE: oh I'm pretty sure the SEC's network blocks the applet

14:38:10 ThickAsThieves: neckbeard chic aka lumberjack couture http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/9407395264500502323

14:38:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.0009547 = 4.2962 BTC [+]

14:38:34 ThickAsThieves: an ad served while viewing zh ^

14:38:56 ThickAsThieves: god knows what i bought on online to deserve that

14:39:48 nubbins`: heh

14:39:52 nubbins`: i've seen frank & oak ads

14:40:03 ThickAsThieves: really i have nothing against his clothes

14:40:07 MisterE: are they like Carhart?

14:40:16 ThickAsThieves: just how they are being presented as 'style'

14:40:33 nubbins`: pair of dickies and a plaid shirt

14:40:34 nubbins`: STYLE

14:41:04 ThickAsThieves: i guess if it aint nude, it's stylish

14:41:21 MisterE: back in the 60s people had style

14:41:25 MisterE: sharkskin jackets

14:41:32 MisterE: Rat Pack

14:42:44 ThickAsThieves: i'm sure there are plenty people with style still

14:43:19 ThickAsThieves: just the ones on tv are mostly just gay-with-clothes-on

14:43:59 ThickAsThieves: i'm no one to talk though

14:44:23 ThickAsThieves: i'd wear the same thing every day if people stopped fixating on that being weird

14:44:32 MisterE: heh true gay people and many black people have style

14:44:42 MisterE: guess I dont get out much

14:45:28 Mats_cd03: scrub

14:45:54 nubbins`: normcore

14:47:04 VanCleef: do you think its because every black person is secretly gay? (no homo)

14:47:15 heat: is that why

14:47:18 heat: they all

14:47:25 Mats_cd03: no, its social norms

14:47:27 heat: got the moves?

14:49:08 Mats_cd03: men on the extreme ends of perceived sexual norms (e.g. black vs asians in the media) seem to have fewer problems with dressing fashionably

14:49:21 Mats_cd03: (in my experience)

14:49:26 artifexd: <ThickAsThieves> lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide << I missed that. My response: Thanks! I will.

14:49:53 nubbins`: i think you guys hang around normals too much

14:50:30 ThickAsThieves: artifexd, mostly that'd be design or funding, not sure what other relevant skills i might have to an atcdice

14:50:50 ThickAsThieves: no, black people caring about fashion has nothing to do with homosexuality

14:51:42 mircea_popescu: VanCleef sometimes.

14:52:23 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the "under $50" part i find the most objectionable.

14:52:27 VanCleef: ahh cool

14:52:34 Mats_cd03: ^lol

14:52:41 ThickAsThieves: hehe

14:53:04 ThickAsThieves: must have cash left over to buy an axe

14:53:22 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what'd you wear every day anyway ? velve ?

14:53:29 ThickAsThieves: whats a velve?

14:53:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55744 @ 0.00095182 = 53.0583 BTC [-] {2}

14:53:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299999 = 0.365 BTC [+]

14:53:34 ThickAsThieves: ;;google velve

14:53:35 gribble: VELVE OLED - Technology | Verbatim: http://www.verbatimlighting.com/article/oled/; Velve: http://www.velve.lv/; ////// VELVE ////// female singer / songwriter //////: http://www.velve.de/

14:53:48 mircea_popescu: velvet!

14:53:53 ThickAsThieves: lol no

14:54:12 mircea_popescu: don' discriminae me because i got a broken mister

14:54:24 ThickAsThieves: generally i already do wear the same thing every day already

14:54:25 mircea_popescu: o shi i worked ha ime

14:54:30 ThickAsThieves: just change the colors and patterns

14:54:44 VanCleef: what labels do you wear tat?

14:54:56 ThickAsThieves: when you start wearing neutral or black every day, that's when people start to notice

14:55:03 ThickAsThieves: i'm not even morbid

14:55:14 ThickAsThieves: i just would wear black every day probly though

14:55:27 ThickAsThieves: except in the sun

14:55:31 ThickAsThieves: that's hot

14:55:55 ThickAsThieves: i dont look at labels much

14:56:16 ThickAsThieves: if it looks like i might wear it, i buy it

14:56:34 mircea_popescu: ;;google man in black

14:56:34 gribble: Men in Black (1997) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119654/; Men in Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black; Men in Black (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black_(film)

14:56:39 ThickAsThieves: i'm overdue for new wardrobe though

14:56:44 VanCleef: judging from mirceas pics he seems to have a good taste in clothes

14:56:47 mircea_popescu: not men in black you ebonicsipidia you.

14:56:55 ThickAsThieves: yeah mp knows how to dress

14:57:13 ThickAsThieves: i also happen to think Johnny Cash is pretty cool

14:57:20 mircea_popescu: me too.

14:57:23 VanCleef: yeah johnny cash is cool

14:57:24 mircea_popescu: minus all the xtian bs.

14:57:42 mircea_popescu: but what do you want, bloke lived in teh south and his first wife died when he was what, 17 ?

14:58:23 VanCleef: robert smith is pretty cool too

14:58:39 ThickAsThieves: lol

14:58:48 ThickAsThieves: he made some cool music at least

14:59:10 mircea_popescu: he ruled, you kidding me ?

14:59:19 mircea_popescu: i'll never forget how he owned those clowny kids

14:59:25 ThickAsThieves: http://purefilmcreative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/robert-smith.jpg

14:59:36 ThickAsThieves: i dont now much about the man

14:59:45 ThickAsThieves: other than looking ridiculous and making cool music

14:59:51 mircea_popescu: compare nine inch nail hurt with cash hurt

14:59:59 mircea_popescu: then consider it was supposed to be THEIR signature song.

15:00:07 VanCleef: nin hurt is a pretty terrible song, wiash cash didn't cover it

15:00:15 ThickAsThieves: i was referring to smith

15:00:18 mircea_popescu: this is the furthers out case of musical and generally artistic ownage i know of

15:00:19 mircea_popescu: bar non.

15:00:22 ThickAsThieves: yes, cash Hurt is way better

15:00:24 mircea_popescu: o o

15:00:49 VanCleef: it was a good cover tho

15:01:07 mircea_popescu: why did the cure go to shit btw ?

15:01:08 ThickAsThieves: what better swan song could the guy have had?

15:01:09 mircea_popescu: i forget

15:01:17 mircea_popescu: yeah absolutely.

15:01:24 VanCleef: did they go to shit? lol i think they just got old

15:02:01 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, disco : http://25.media.tumblr.com/850ca39c3e1d800cca5a39aae1566e36/tumblr_mlqxxru0KR1rztzruo1_1280.jpg

15:02:16 mircea_popescu: i seem to remember some acrimony

15:03:01 VanCleef: nice pic

15:03:18 ThickAsThieves: an odd thing about goth/industrial/rapcore fans from the 80s/90s is they never seem able to shake it

15:03:32 VanCleef: heh

15:03:36 ThickAsThieves: they still wear cargo jeans and band t-shirts

15:03:44 ThickAsThieves: and are generally depressed

15:03:55 ThickAsThieves: maybe it was the drugs

15:04:16 mircea_popescu: maybe it was the last generation that had any unobstructed view of us reality.

15:04:34 VanCleef: music is really terrible these days

15:04:36 mircea_popescu: ie, it IS the drugs, but the other way around.

15:05:04 ThickAsThieves: hehe i'm wearing a band tshirt and all black right now, i guess i should shut up

15:05:14 ThickAsThieves: except mine is Kid Dynamite

15:05:28 mircea_popescu: i've never wore a band tshirt

15:05:37 ThickAsThieves: you were never in a band

15:05:49 mircea_popescu: i... hm. i produced a few bands / concerts ?

15:05:57 VanCleef: really?

15:05:59 mircea_popescu: yeah

15:06:03 mircea_popescu: including a... rave ;/

15:06:06 ThickAsThieves: hehe

15:06:06 VanCleef: lol

15:06:07 mircea_popescu: in like 96 iirc

15:06:10 ThickAsThieves: never been to a rave

15:06:12 VanCleef: that's funny

15:06:41 mircea_popescu: i can't even recall wtf it was called.

15:07:05 ThickAsThieves: Tits or GTFO Dance Party

15:07:08 mircea_popescu: anyway, this is all bs weirdo romanian stuff, it shouldn't really count.

15:07:12 mircea_popescu: more like comedic relief.

15:07:23 VanCleef: you produced gwar didn't u?

15:07:35 ThickAsThieves: i went to see Gwar

15:07:35 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves at the end there was about 1 ton of paper residue, 1/4 ton of textile residue taken from the grounds

15:07:38 ThickAsThieves: was kinda fun

15:07:41 VanCleef: aha

15:08:29 ThickAsThieves: wtf is textile residue? clothes caked into the paper?

15:08:52 mircea_popescu: unidentified bits of what probably were clothes

15:09:09 ThickAsThieves: how many rapes?

15:09:14 mircea_popescu: none reported.

15:09:16 MisterE: it

15:09:47 MisterE: it's tropical here so I wear as little as possible and there's no style there heh

15:11:35 mircea_popescu: where you at, jamaica ?

15:11:45 mircea_popescu: ow shit, i just gave bill cosby a problem huh ?

15:11:59 mircea_popescu: but i happen to think some bits of black vernacular are expressive. i use ain't all the time.

15:12:11 mircea_popescu: people around me end up using it too

15:12:17 mircea_popescu: it's catchy namean ?

15:12:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.003274 = 0.6548 BTC [+]

15:14:37 MisterE: catchy, ain't it?

15:14:39 artifexd: "ain't" is black vernacular? I thought it was southern venacular. Source: I grew up in Texas.

15:14:50 ThickAsThieves: black and hip hop culture might be the most vibrant source of new vernacular in the world

15:14:57 MisterE: ^

15:15:00 mircea_popescu: artifexd well this is in reference to an earlier bill cosby imgur

15:15:08 ThickAsThieves: you cannot keep up if you arent paying attention for even a year

15:15:20 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, that's only because you don't speak either russian or fringe chinese/indian languages

15:15:25 ThickAsThieves: maybe'

15:15:36 MisterE: funny to see whitey suburbanite kids co-opt it so quickly now

15:15:37 mircea_popescu: but that said, it's certainly productive.

15:15:51 mircea_popescu: and more interestingly so than the white equivalent, dearly loved as "pc speak"

15:16:02 ThickAsThieves: bih went in, ish goes hard

15:16:13 heat: dont start no ish

15:16:14 heat: wont be no ish

15:16:27 mircea_popescu: artifexd well maybe. i am no expert :p

15:17:02 MisterE: artifexd: I did a stretch in Denton and SA

15:17:13 artifexd: SA?

15:17:14 mircea_popescu: does that mean you were in prison there ?

15:17:19 MisterE: San Anton

15:17:30 mircea_popescu: san antonio is like my favourite us city.

15:17:36 ThickAsThieves: around here the old timers in the local black "ghetto" are nearly incoherent

15:17:42 MisterE: it's prety good

15:17:48 MisterE: but Bexar county sucks

15:17:52 artifexd: Ah. I was up in the north east. More north east than Dallas. Damn near Arkansas.

15:17:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00094923 = 3.6071 BTC [-]

15:17:57 nubbins`: around here the old timers in the local white "ghetto" are completely incoherent

15:18:04 mircea_popescu: MisterE the fact that i spent a week doing nothing but champagne on the riverwalk may well have colored that impression :p

15:18:10 nubbins`: overheard a guy talking to his father about getting his roof fixed

15:18:23 nubbins`: "aeh eh uhhh ehh fuckin... euhhh..."

15:18:37 mircea_popescu: but this is canadians

15:18:39 MisterE: yes riverwalk is fantastic

15:18:48 mircea_popescu: that's not language, that's gesturing psychopathy

15:18:54 nubbins`: mircea_popescu that's a direct quote ;(

15:19:03 mircea_popescu: imagine canadian forums

15:19:03 nubbins`: he was looking for the word "roof"

15:19:21 mircea_popescu: someone should make a purported canadian forum like that just to mess with people

15:19:28 mircea_popescu: megatroll sting operation.

15:19:31 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> san antonio is like my favourite us city. /// is that the place in your mystery photo on fraudsters?

15:19:34 nubbins`: ;;google montreal forum

15:19:34 gribble: Montreal Forum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Forum; Forum de Montreal: http://www.forum-montreal.com/; The Forum Opens its Doors | Historical Website of the Montreal ...: http://ourhistory.canadiens.com/greatest-moment/The-Forum-Opens-Its-Doors

15:19:45 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves which one of the numerous mystery fraudsters photos

15:19:55 MisterE: Culturally Austin has more to offer

15:19:55 ThickAsThieves: one of a bridge and some buildings

15:20:01 MisterE: imho

15:20:15 mircea_popescu: ;/ link ?

15:20:26 ThickAsThieves: shit i dunno, i made some guesses at the time in here

15:20:34 mircea_popescu: well i lost the pointer

15:20:40 ThickAsThieves: well not at the time you published, i think it was older

15:20:48 MisterE: canadian forums must be a minimum of 35% canadian or they will do something

15:20:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 289 @ 0.003274 = 0.9462 BTC [+]

15:21:02 mircea_popescu: anyway, it was funny, i was wearing a suit, struck up a conversation with a band in a bar,

15:21:13 mircea_popescu: then people from the bar were coming to me to ask me to ask the band to play songs

15:21:19 mircea_popescu: then the band wanted to sign me up as their manager

15:21:25 mircea_popescu: then we had breakfast at dennys

15:21:42 MisterE: Moon over My Hammy?

15:21:53 mircea_popescu: nah it was some rock and roll ish thing

15:21:59 MisterE: thats they one I used to get man Dennys that takes me back

15:22:07 mircea_popescu: blond lead vocal guy couldn't quite decide if he wanted to do an elvis impersonation or not

15:22:33 mircea_popescu: o, that was my only one time in that chain, i have no idea what they serve

15:22:51 MisterE: ok back to movie, GF watching Psycho for first time

15:23:02 MisterE: I'd forgotten a lot

15:23:15 mircea_popescu: you dating 16yos ?

15:23:54 mircea_popescu: (and the 1960s vera miles version i hope?)

15:35:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+]

15:40:23 kakobreklaa: http://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html

15:51:12 ThickAsThieves: 3rd time's a charm

15:51:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30946 @ 0.00094983 = 29.3934 BTC [+] {2}

15:51:30 mircea_popescu: heh.

15:51:44 mircea_popescu: aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ?

15:55:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 52 @ 0.06184998 = 3.2162 BTC [+] {10}

15:59:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44457384 BTC to 4`132 shares, 59162 satoshi per share

16:18:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00094923 = 18.1303 BTC [-]

16:20:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0619999 = 0.124 BTC [-]

16:24:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00095029 = 15.4897 BTC [+]

16:25:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.11950724 = 11.9507 BTC [-]

16:27:09 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> [16:51:46] aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ? I believe they are

16:28:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.062 = 0.372 BTC [+]

16:34:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39650 @ 0.0009482 = 37.5961 BTC [-] {3}

16:35:04 knotwork: Yeah I heard they covered the losses with money from investors. Maybe the investors didnt like that and now want to drive away all customers so the place gets no business and has to shut down

16:38:45 mircea_popescu: or maybe they just have a dartboard and throw darts at it each day

16:39:31 chetty: well can we turn some of these scammer into dartboards?

16:39:41 Apocalyptic: I remember that big miner mining at Eligius praising vircurex and recommending it for trading NMC

16:39:51 Apocalyptic: cause "they've been around for quite some time you know"

16:40:16 mircea_popescu: derp.

16:40:42 mircea_popescu: so has goat. so has gigavps. so has teh bitcoin foundation. around scamming for quite some time now.

16:41:01 Apocalyptic: indeed

16:41:30 Apocalyptic: gigavps even has the guts to come to -otc sometimes

16:41:31 kakobrekla: goat is going to sue garr now

16:42:16 kakobrekla: "your honor, garr failed to deliver the pump."

16:42:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0603875 = 0.2416 BTC [-] {3}

16:42:25 mike_c: is this over their mining thing?

16:42:36 kakobrekla: yea

16:43:08 mike_c: but but, last I read everything was going great and they were picking up their hardware! i haven't followed the thread recently i guess :)

16:43:28 kakobrekla: the thing went bad over half a year ago

16:43:38 mircea_popescu: yeah, he was going to sue pirate, he is going to sue garr,

16:43:44 kakobrekla: or its just me who can smell the shit early

16:43:48 mircea_popescu: before that back in 2012 he was going to post pics of his mining farm

16:43:54 mircea_popescu: he's a going-to kind of guy.

16:44:18 kakobrekla: ofc he wont, i phrased it wrong

16:44:19 Apocalyptic: kako the shit-smeller , dat title

16:44:24 mircea_popescu: lol

16:44:37 kakobrekla: fuck what have i brought on myself

16:44:39 mircea_popescu: Tic the shit-senser

16:45:00 *: kakobrekla goes to edit todays log

16:45:04 mircea_popescu: lmao

16:45:13 mircea_popescu: ooo what is that flash ?!

16:45:19 mircea_popescu: hm... what were we talking about ?

16:45:45 kakobrekla: yeah, much better than pdf

16:45:54 mike_c: we were talking about sending our btc to kako for a new mining venture.

16:46:01 mircea_popescu: does pdf stand for pedophile ?

16:46:23 thestringpuller: use latex at least...

16:46:25 kakobrekla: but what does flash stand for then

16:46:50 mircea_popescu: hm

16:48:13 kakobrekla: the question that ended -assets.

16:48:44 kakobrekla: *tumbleweed*

16:48:52 bounce: flash! ah-haa!

16:49:21 mircea_popescu: can you imagine how shocked the aliens/reptillians/illuminati/etc watching this will be

16:49:27 mircea_popescu: if one day it just... ends.

16:49:54 VanCleef: i read mircea's blog sometimes does anyone have any other handy reading material or youtube videos, doesn't have to be about bitcoin just something along the lines of investing

16:50:14 VanCleef: i'm just watching a bunch of mark cuban interviews

16:50:33 Duffer1: http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/

16:50:35 ozbot: Assets Assimilated

16:51:05 mike_c: last year's fraudsters :)

16:51:13 VanCleef: cool thanks Duffer1

16:52:01 mircea_popescu: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html

16:52:01 ozbot: Shareholder Letters

16:52:20 mircea_popescu: read that whole set, you'll be ahead of about half the group of folk that identify as finance-anythign

16:52:40 VanCleef: thank you mircea

16:54:53 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you still like Berkshire Hathaway despite Buffet's stance on BTC?

16:55:03 thestringpuller: you still respect* not like*

16:55:12 mircea_popescu: the letters are old, and as respectable as they ever were.

16:55:32 mircea_popescu: you think if i get alzhimers' when im 95 that'll change the 2013 articles on fraudsters in any way ?

16:56:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.062 = 1.426 BTC [+]

16:56:47 VanCleef: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU8KksjGB8s

16:56:48 ozbot: P Diddy's Words Of Wisdom - YouTube

16:57:01 thestringpuller: That's what I'd figure you'd say, and I expect you to be the only one in the nursing home flirting at 95...

16:57:33 mircea_popescu: well it ain't gonna suck itself...

16:58:10 chetty: Turkish fighter jets shot down a Syrian warplane after it violated Turkey?s airspace Sunday

17:04:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63877424 = 2.5551 BTC [+] {3}

17:06:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64150055 = 1.9245 BTC [+] {3}

17:07:31 cads: mircea_popescu: who/what turned you on to reading the berkshire letters?

17:07:51 cads: another friend has suggested it but I haven't made time for it

17:08:05 ThickAsThieves: so, i am trying to repair a broken tablet lcd and my current problem is it is glued to the frame and i've no heat gun, nor is the sun particularly bright today

17:08:11 mircea_popescu: i can't even remember, i liked the guy since i was 14 or so

17:08:16 ThickAsThieves: any tips?

17:08:20 ThickAsThieves: or just go buy a heat gun

17:08:25 mircea_popescu: got a lens ?

17:08:42 ThickAsThieves: i have a magnifying lens for soldering

17:08:50 mircea_popescu: so try that on the sun. who knows.

17:09:12 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: hair dryer usually works.

17:09:17 asciilifeform: helps if you own an IR thermometer.

17:09:22 ThickAsThieves: i do

17:09:26 mircea_popescu: that also.

17:09:30 thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/SN4UYEU.png - from da reddits

17:09:32 mircea_popescu: esp if you got a pro one.

17:09:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00636479 = 0.1718 BTC [+] {5}

17:09:50 ThickAsThieves: any temp i should be going for?

17:10:00 asciilifeform: depends on the glue, clearly

17:10:17 ThickAsThieves: some kinda mobile device surgical glue or someshit

17:10:23 ThickAsThieves: i guess, til it's loose

17:10:54 asciilifeform: traditional method is to attach a suction cup

17:10:56 asciilifeform: to the screen

17:11:03 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/SgfBapJ.gif

17:11:13 asciilifeform: and suspend it a cm or so above the table, in a clamp, from said cup

17:11:14 asciilifeform: then heat.

17:11:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.64549969 = 7.746 BTC [+] {2}

17:11:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00639697 = 0.1215 BTC [+]

17:14:37 asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/22/sinkhole-of-bureaucracy

17:14:37 ozbot: Sinkhole of bureaucracy | The Washington Post

17:14:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00639696 = 1.2794 BTC [-] {3}

17:15:03 benkay: so the girl draped some gauzy fabric in front of the apartment window; we verified that nobody can see in during the day, and now i'm at my standing desk aka the kitchen island shirt-cocking hard

17:15:05 benkay: it's glorious.

17:15:43 mircea_popescu: shirt-cocking ?!

17:15:49 benkay: ;;ud shirt cocking

17:15:50 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shirt%20cocking | Men who go about their day with a shirt on, but no pants or underwear. "Cocking" can be used with other terms. Example: Cowl Cocking, when a man we...

17:15:50 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: shirt cocking

17:16:20 benkay: cooking bacon too, you see.

17:17:28 mircea_popescu: i see

17:20:35 benkay: it seems that Vice is the only publication on the internet who've been able to implement a bootstrap header without totally fucking the page-down functionality of yore.

17:20:42 benkay: functionality my ux-perts tell me nobody uses any more.

17:20:54 benkay: "except people who read at a reasonable speed!"

17:21:09 benkay: scrolling *has* to impose additional cognitive load.

17:21:20 mircea_popescu: i use it.

17:21:43 mircea_popescu: scrolling is not unlike the revolutionary notion of having sentences broken up on lines on the written page

17:21:47 ninjashogun: Hi guys.

17:21:52 mircea_popescu: "but moving eyes from end to begin of line must add cognitive load"

17:21:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]

17:21:59 mircea_popescu: turns out the brain is a pulse not a flux processor.

17:22:03 mircea_popescu: it adds nothing.

17:22:47 benkay: really?

17:22:51 mircea_popescu: myeah

17:23:07 benkay: re lines that's been a staple for a good millenia or so tho

17:23:14 benkay: we've adapted.

17:23:36 mircea_popescu: plenty of "smarter than necessary" folk came up with lines that went 123 654 789 etc

17:23:43 mircea_popescu: somehow it didn't catch on.

17:23:58 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, what I found really amazing on the brain is the herz that neurons can fire at before tiring. Given how much processing we do every second, take a guess at what the maximal neuronic herz rate is in the brain :)

17:23:58 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:24:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06199765 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}

17:24:13 ninjashogun: maximum*

17:24:36 mircea_popescu: and no, it's not that we've adapted to the lines. the lines are adapted to us.

17:24:56 mircea_popescu: this bullshit whereby a clueless shit will "invent" something and the world will "adapt" to it is sheer usinsanity.

17:25:11 ninjashogun: "Although different neurons fire at different speeds, as a rough estimate it is reasonable to estimate that a neuron can fire about once every 5 milliseconds, or about 200 times a second"

17:25:15 mircea_popescu: i get it that impotence is a major problem there, both culturally and sexually, but that's scarcely an excuse.

17:25:24 ninjashogun: Our brain operates at a maxmium of 200 herz. That is mind-bogglingly slow.

17:25:32 benkay: (correction: vice hasn't fixed the pagedown)

17:26:03 mircea_popescu: vice doesn't really have much interest in making it easy for people to read, either,

17:26:13 mircea_popescu: seeing how the more people read the more their fixed costs go up.

17:26:21 thestringpuller: VICE is about reporters without borders!

17:26:26 mircea_popescu: now if they only could convince everyone that

17:26:28 mircea_popescu: BLERGH

17:26:29 asciilifeform: 'maxmium of 200 herz' << this would be interesting if they fired in phase. which they don't.

17:26:32 mircea_popescu: is a perfectly fine article...

17:26:55 ninjashogun: hi asciilifeform. it is still very surprising :)

17:27:59 ninjashogun: if someone told me you can do everything a human can do in terms of brain-processing (from vision to motor control to thinking speaking, reacting, EVERYTHING) thorugh a neural net at which the maximum speed of any neuron is 200 herz I'd have laughed. "suuure."

17:28:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [+]

17:28:44 ninjashogun: anything you can do in 5 seconds includes no individual neurons firing more than 1,000 times.

17:29:03 CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: you know breaking bad?

17:29:16 mircea_popescu: some sitcom thing ?

17:32:31 ThickAsThieves: hairdryer isnt hot enough :(

17:34:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 262 @ 0.00327699 = 0.8586 BTC [+] {2}

17:35:13 ThickAsThieves: google is showing not much success repairing the tablet i am attempting

17:38:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19482 @ 0.00094723 = 18.4539 BTC [-] {3}

17:39:54 midnightmagic: ninjashogun: That is meaningless. The full structure of the brain hasn't even been fully undertood yet.

17:40:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.003277 = 0.3474 BTC [+]

17:44:28 ninjashogun: hi, midnightmagic. Well, yes and no. It is meaningless, you are right. But it's also interesting that it means that a supercomputer running at 4 ghz interconnect speed runs at a native speed of 10,000,000 times faster than neurons' native speeds.

17:46:13 ninjashogun: midnightmagic, the other interesting thing is that the brain weighs just 3 pounds and takes up 1.26 liters. (1400 grams, 1.3 US quarts).

17:46:50 midnightmagic: except 100,000,000,000 neurons at 200hz each equals a total meaningless cross-product of 20,000,000,000,000 things which is much higher than the 4,000,000,000 other things; plus interconnect, microtubules, memory, specialization, and so on mean there is no "faster".

17:48:01 ninjashogun: midnightmagic, this is very true. But, for example, if a supercomputer were to model these interconnects but had fewer "physical" neurons (CPU units), then the same CPU units could be reused 20 million times (4 ghz / 200 herz) to get realtime speed. (This is just an example of how to think about it.)

17:48:28 asciilifeform: example, from one's tool drawer. i recently happened to buy an oscilloscope. it can sample signals at 1GHz, despite having no component therein operating above 100MHz.

17:48:53 ninjashogun: asciilifeform, that is a very good and interesting example. Do you think that the brain relies on these sampling effects?

17:48:54 asciilifeform: this is done by having a number of ADCs operating at 100MHz each, but out of phase.

17:49:09 ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I understand. Do you think that timing is used by the brain in this way?

17:49:35 ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I would think that the brain doesn't depend on sensitive timing information like that, but rather on the pathways that are activated (irrespective of timing).

17:49:40 asciilifeform: depends on what one means by 'used'. it is known that the neurons aren't synced (in phase) - why would they be.

17:49:42 midnightmagic: ninjashogun: Nope. There is not enough understanding to model even small parts of the human brain. The structures we know about are unknown. There are likely other structures we don't yet know about.

17:50:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.11950724 = 1.4341 BTC [-]

17:50:28 ninjashogun: asciilifeform, exactly, they're not in sync because why would they be. But is that out of phase effect used to do calculation or the equivalent of a pipeline, etc? Probably not.

17:50:44 midnightmagic: for the foreseeable future, there is no computer even contemplated that could model the human brain as we understand it right now, let alone as new discoveries arrive.

17:51:00 midnightmagic: machine intelligence will take another form.

17:51:24 ninjashogun: midnightmagic, well I agree. Our current understanding isn't even enough for a full model. we wouldn't know what to run even if we had a supercomputer with unlimited resources. we don't have the code.

17:51:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 486 @ 0.00314518 = 1.5286 BTC [-] {11}

17:52:02 ninjashogun: midnightmagic, it's an interesting situation . Rather than being limited by hardware ,we're very possibly limited by software. We don't know what to run - it's not that we can't run it, but we don't have the software written.

17:54:08 ninjashogun: Based on the simple calculation that the brain is just 3 pounds, 1.25 liters, and fires at 200 herz, it is extremely likely that there exists ∃ (latex \exists) code that we could run that would result in a brain running at an appreciable percentage of real-time brain speed, using < $1B of hardware. But we don't have the code, even though it probably \exists

17:54:59 ninjashogun: Hardware-wise, if we had the code than a simple cluster of a few tons of CPU and RAM units could probably run it.

17:56:20 ninjashogun: Also don't forget that we know for a fact that the architecture in the brain is encoded in no more than 700 MB totally uncompressed. That is how much the human genome takes to encode as simple bits (adenine(A), cytosine (C), guanine (G) and thymine (T) encoded as two bits each). With some compression that's even less.

17:57:11 ninjashogun: Of course we have no chance in hell of modelling the development of a brain by "running" the code. We can't even model a few molecules fully.

17:57:41 ninjashogun: but we have a theoretical proof that the architecture of the brain is somehow encoded into under 700 MB. (well under that, as that encodes the full human body.)

17:59:35 ThickAsThieves: http://kottke.org/14/03/the-first-national-bank-of-gamestop

17:59:35 ozbot: The First National Bank of GameStop

18:01:47 benkay: consumer banking is so commoditized that apparently one can accidentally operate a bank.

18:02:20 ninjashogun: benkay, ha!

18:02:27 ninjashogun: benkay, that is a hilarious observation

18:02:41 benkay: a friend was curious about http://www.simple.com: "their advertising pitch seemed to be: 'coffee. flannel. dogs. bank. flannel. guitars on a porch. bank.'"

18:03:18 benkay: "i mean yeah - it's a US bank. they likely won't do a runner with your cash. they're also just like every other bank in the states, except maybe not running on mainframes older than yourself and myself put together."

18:05:32 benkay: they just got bought by BBVA, iirc. from what i understand the spaniards want to leverage the stack that Simple built out for themselves across a load of different networks.

18:06:41 benkay: "here's a team that's actually built a thing that makes money. let's buy the thing and leverage the team's proven track record of shipping high-quality software to ameliorate our dependency on ancient internal tooling."

18:07:47 benkay: no quadrillion dollar exit or anything, but the mgmt team had accelerated vesting in place for everyone with options, so it looks like a chunk of the PDX clojure group will be taking rather nice vacations this year if the workload ever slows down.

18:12:16 midnightmagic: No, whoever came up with that $1b estimate is someone being silly and probably looking for grant money.

18:13:02 midnightmagic: There is also no "theoretical proof" that the architecture of the brain is "under 700MB". That's utter nonsense.

18:14:22 benkay: let it go, midnightmagic.

18:15:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]

18:16:06 mike_c: the data for creating the brain may be that small, but the code that runs it (rules of chemistry, biology, etc) is huge.

18:16:23 benkay: .bait

18:16:24 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0jyphXDYQ1qg1ag3o1_500.jpg

18:16:28 mike_c: plus that too

18:16:44 benkay: swear to god i know that girl.

18:16:50 midnightmagic: bah

18:17:09 benkay: tits are too big tho.

18:20:45 jurov: mircea_popescu: fico only won first round and with only 4% gain. second (final) round is scheduled to march 29

18:22:29 Apocalyptic: i hope he'll lose

18:23:58 jurov: yes

18:24:08 jurov: mp is asking that second or third time already, you could have explained him that when i'm not around...

18:24:23 ninjashogun: https://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html

18:24:37 Apocalyptic: jurov, I didn't see him asking that

18:24:47 Apocalyptic: ninjashogun, already been posted hours ago

18:27:21 ninjashogun: someone should set up an FDI btc - Federal Deposit Insurance of Bitcoins

18:27:41 ninjashogun: every week you hear of an exchange closing down freezing funds etc due to hacking.

18:28:30 jurov: ninjashogun: that proposal isn't even funny

18:29:07 jurov: it's wholesale stupid

18:31:13 jurov: mandatory proof of infosec competence for whoever asks bitcoins deposits/loans/investments would be tad better

18:31:27 ninjashogun: jurov - lol @ "mandatory"

18:31:34 ninjashogun: jurov - that's not how bitcoin works. nothing is mandatory.

18:31:51 jurov: yes. but i can at least chuckle over that

18:31:57 ninjashogun: jurov - fair enough

18:32:18 ninjashogun: jurov - I suppose the main reason an insurance scheme is stupid is because it doesn't work if every exchange gets hacked and has to pay out....

18:32:55 jurov: If.

18:33:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1247 @ 0.00307995 = 3.8407 BTC [-] {9}

18:34:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 8379 @ 0.00299664 = 25.1088 BTC [-] {45}

18:34:59 ninjashogun: jurov - what percentage of BTC exchanges have lost btc due to theft? (to the point of shutting down)

18:35:11 ninjashogun: jurov - I've heard of 3-5 such cases (I think) but I don't know what percentage that represents.

18:35:50 Apocalyptic: ninjashogun, you mean realt theft or self-theft a la zhou tong ?

18:36:09 jurov: even if i somehow knew that % it would be utter meaningless number

18:37:02 ninjashogun: Apocalyptic, there's no way to know is there :)

18:37:07 ninjashogun: "reported theft"

18:37:10 Apocalyptic: exactly

18:37:26 ninjashogun: what is the percentage of exchnages that have had "reported theft" (whether real or invented)

18:38:28 jurov: ninjashogun one can't insure subprime mortgages (incidentally, from very similar reasons).. but some doods did that anyway

18:38:36 jurov: er... tried to

18:39:05 ninjashogun: jurov - well, you can insure sub-prime mortgages but the premium might be on par with the monthly payment.

18:39:07 jurov: because they were thinking in % like you do

18:39:40 ninjashogun: jurov - I wonder how much it would reduce exchnage usage if there were a 20% insurance fee on all deposits. (Which is insane.) Would some people still use it to buy fiat with BTC they accept elsewhere?

18:39:55 ninjashogun: (insane as in insanely high.)

18:40:33 jurov: well, do try it

18:40:59 jurov: dumber ideas had their moment of btc glory

18:41:06 ninjashogun: we know that the percentage of exchnages that would pretend a theft occurred would go up. (It's called 'moral hazard' in insurance.)

18:41:22 mike_c: it would be difficult for that to go up.

18:41:42 ninjashogun: mike_c - well I know a couple that have not reported thefts so far. (For example moolah's)

18:42:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6210055 = 2.484 BTC [-] {3}

18:43:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.07123173 = 1.852 BTC [-] {7}

18:48:46 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5857173#msg5857173

18:48:48 ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

18:48:51 Duffer1: Goat's on a warpath

18:50:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06125 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {2}

18:58:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34110 @ 0.00095029 = 32.4144 BTC [+]

18:58:36 Duffer1: wow going through his post history, that all seems to be getting pretty ugly

19:03:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]

19:13:45 ninjashogun: Duffer1 - whose posting history are you referring to? If it's Garr, I know someone who knows him. (many exchanges).

19:13:52 ninjashogun: sorry if it's Goat. Not sure if that means Garr.

19:14:03 ninjashogun: My comment is about "His Most Eminent Highness Grand Caesar Imperator Goat"

19:14:24 Duffer1: i was referring to Goat's post history

19:15:01 ninjashogun: ok

19:16:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.06039287 = 0.8455 BTC [-] {4}

19:20:49 jurov: kakobrekla: on bitcoin-assets.com the donation addr is 14uG... but link goes to 1B6N...

19:21:17 Apocalyptic: hax !

19:21:29 Duffer1: ith a conthpirathy

19:21:33 kakobrekla: thats odd

19:23:02 ninjashogun: the plot thickens.

19:23:52 Duffer1: ninja so you know someone that knows garr are you involved with Cog?

19:24:15 Duffer1: i'm just curious to find out what's going on

19:24:17 kakobrekla: did you make that tx to 14u jurov?

19:24:47 jurov: yes. and now i wanted to check and only then realized the prob

19:25:52 Duffer1: do you not control that address Kako?

19:26:29 kakobrekla: i dunno, i got a bunch of wallets but at first look no

19:28:49 ninjashogun: Duffer1, No I'm not involved with Cog. I just know that as far as this person is concerned Goat is very trustworthy.

19:29:02 ninjashogun: what is the Cog story?

19:29:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.062 = 0.806 BTC [+] {2}

19:29:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00094663 = 11.2649 BTC [-] {2}

19:29:06 ninjashogun: exactly

19:29:07 ninjashogun: ?

19:29:36 Apocalyptic: " Goat is very trustworthy." I lol'd

19:29:58 Duffer1: i'm not exactly sure, it'swhy i was asking

19:30:26 Duffer1: i just see a lot of accusations of fraud and mismanagement dunno what's going on though

19:32:00 ninjashogun: I didn't say it's my opinion. I don't know Goat personally at all.

19:32:08 ninjashogun: This person could easily have been mislead, etc.

19:32:14 ninjashogun: All frauds have ardent followers.

19:32:30 Duffer1: oh i mean accusations of fraud by Goat against Garr

19:32:54 ninjashogun: I was NOT referring to Garr only Goat.

19:32:58 ninjashogun: I don't know anything about Garr at all.

19:33:04 Duffer1: ah

19:33:21 ninjashogun: and about Goat, I know just that one person trusts him and has been in touch for over a year.

19:33:41 dexX7: Duffer1: do you know, if it's possible to withdrawal ltc from ct?

19:34:32 Duffer1: i tried to withdrawal .4 but it wouldn't let me

19:35:00 Duffer1: it kept ignoring the . and trying to withdraw the 4

19:35:02 dexX7: <_<"

19:35:18 Apocalyptic: what's ct ?

19:35:25 Duffer1: VD

19:35:33 Duffer1: i mean CipherTrade

19:35:56 dexX7: did you try "," instead of "."?

19:36:15 Duffer1: bah you damned euros lol no i didn't try a ,

19:36:20 dexX7: hahaha

19:36:37 Duffer1: let me check

19:36:43 dexX7: yup

19:37:01 bounce: not the only shop that had that problem. add a 0 in front of that . and all should be well again.

19:38:27 Ghaleon_: anyone here install 0.9.0 on unbent from source ?

19:38:37 dexX7: if it works indeed with ",", it's funny, because the balance is shown as "x.y"

19:39:03 Duffer1: nope, it won't even let me enter a , or a .

19:39:26 Duffer1: i'm using firefox

19:39:33 Apocalyptic: have you tried what bounce suggested ?

19:40:03 Duffer1: ah thanks bounce i missed that, that does indeed work

19:40:36 dexX7: what did you enter exactly? 00.4?

19:41:06 jurov: he tried 0.o

19:41:15 dexX7: x_x

19:41:22 Duffer1: to answer your initial question dexX7 it is possible to withdraw LTC from CT. The transaction showed up almost immediately

19:41:30 Duffer1: i entered 0.4

19:41:35 dexX7: thanks

19:42:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 439 @ 0.00094503 = 0.4149 BTC [-]

19:42:32 Duffer1: although.. my balance still shows the original even after refresh

19:43:11 Duffer1: nm gone now

19:43:24 dexX7: yup, worked

19:46:27 ninjashogun: and in lighter news today - http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247096/ATM_operators_eye_Linux_as_alternative_to_Windows_XP

19:52:16 Mats_cd03: i see today's topic of discussion was neuroscience

19:52:44 Mats_cd03: are we going to continue discussing genetics and biology as though theres an expert in here

19:53:44 jurov: https://www.predictious.com/economics/bitcoin-vs-berkshire-hathaway-march-2015/300-bitcoins-worth-more

19:53:45 ozbot: 300 Bitcoins to be worth more than a share of Class A Berkshire Hathaway Stock on March 31st 2015 -

19:53:57 jurov: let's start by considering the question

19:54:06 jurov: whether above is parasitism or symbiosis

19:55:46 jurov: i can easily foresee the price end up between 300 and 315 and then predictious going down in flames

19:56:14 Mats_cd03: arbitrage opportunity at least

19:57:12 jurov: i think they already resell bitbet

19:57:19 Mats_cd03: and i propose a second bitbet - predictious shuttering by the same date

19:57:24 Mats_cd03: oh

19:59:16 jurov: lol

19:59:54 benkay: Mats_cd03: ninjashogun's an expert in all the fields. how dare you!

20:02:57 ninjashogun: benkay, nice to see you have nothing better to do on a Sunday than trolling.

20:03:41 ninjashogun: I'm no expert on neuroscience but I have sought out their opinions. Funny, the same as I've done here for financial info. The difference is that they didn't troll for it.

20:05:37 Mats_cd03: just having some fun at your expense

20:05:40 kakobrekla: jurov it seems you supported haxors.

20:06:37 mike_c: and they didn't change the link? interesting decision.

20:06:57 ninjashogun: Mats_cd03, :)

20:07:38 ninjashogun: you're cool Mats_cd03 . Actually you're all pretty cool but I may have to burn this nick and come back in two months if I want to hang out here. I've done that elsewhere. It's funny how the same people can be cool and total trolls.

20:07:50 kakobrekla: its odd, but its wp, so not much surprise there.

20:08:06 Mats_cd03: i nearly set a stack of newspapers on fire today with a soldering iron

20:08:17 ninjashogun: Mats_cd03, you weren't kidding about hardware :)

20:08:18 Mats_cd03: my proudest moment

20:08:46 dexX7: is the guy from blockr.io here?

20:09:00 kakobrekla: you can talk to me

20:09:12 jurov: I DEMAND REFUND

20:09:19 kakobrekla: jurov :D

20:09:32 dexX7: do you use blockchain.info as source?

20:09:51 dexX7: i have the problem of a confirmed transformation that is shown as unconfirmed on bc.i and doesn't exist on blockr

20:09:52 kakobrekla: i dunno source for what they should be but no

20:10:19 dexX7: 7f3eadf5ada45c1eff3342eedc5153e1e2b1ec21e391ab8247c756ad4a08472c

20:10:33 dexX7: wait, this one is shown on blockr

20:10:37 dexX7: 9e575ffc126b339c81f5bcf511d23f5ae24ce1a7f961aeade1e2afe54ef30808

20:10:43 dexX7: nvm

20:10:45 dexX7: also there

20:11:25 Mats_cd03: took a second for the tx to propagate across nodes?

20:11:45 dexX7: yea probably

20:11:53 kakobrekla: the propagation sometimes sucks bad

20:11:59 dexX7: but blockchain.info is still broken

20:12:01 jurov: yes i see it occassially too

20:12:22 dexX7: https://blockchain.info/tx/7f3eadf5ada45c1eff3342eedc5153e1e2b1ec21e391ab8247c756ad4a08472c is unconfirmed vs. 2 conf in reality

20:12:23 ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction 7f3eadf5ada45c1eff3342eedc5153e1e2b1ec21e391ab8247c756ad4a08472c

20:12:43 kakobrekla: so blockr pwnz?

20:12:51 jurov: or they are on a fork

20:12:57 nubbins`: re: mainframes

20:13:00 jurov: or you are on a fork

20:13:05 dexX7: i like blockr

20:13:11 kakobrekla: im on a chair

20:13:12 nubbins`: at my last job, all our customer databases were built in the 80s

20:13:18 nubbins`: most didn't bother with primary keys

20:13:32 Mats_cd03: lol

20:13:47 Mats_cd03: excel dbs for auth?

20:14:21 nubbins`: nah all AS/400

20:14:34 nubbins`: plaintext passwords tho D:

20:15:03 kakobrekla: bc info is 4 block behind

20:15:27 dexX7: jurov: maybe, but ... "real" block height: 292106, bc.i: 292102

20:15:28 dexX7: yup

20:15:40 Mats_cd03: i consulted for a place once where all the user, admin passwords were plaintext and shared the same excel file as the auth for the hvac systems and scif

20:15:47 dexX7: (i submitted the tx as raw on bci, that's why they are at least there)

20:16:13 Mats_cd03: i reported it after i left and two execs got fired months afterwards

20:16:30 Mats_cd03: #preventingthenextsnowden

20:16:34 dexX7: :D

20:16:41 nubbins`: i reported plaintext passwords and the response was "yeah, we know"

20:16:50 nubbins`: #preventingnothing

20:17:52 Mats_cd03: worst place i ever worked

20:18:06 Mats_cd03: dealing with policies and procedures and bureaucratic garbage rather than doing my job

20:18:16 Mats_cd03: no ipods cause manning fucked that up for everybody

20:18:38 Mats_cd03: but yeah... opsec...

20:19:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0580001 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}

20:20:18 Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/whiiite/luniz-i-got-5-on-it-whiiite-x its too quiet in here

20:20:56 radan: I outted Karpeles a long time ago

20:21:01 radan: http://varimja.tumblr.com/post/69360209766/bitcoin-a-concise-history

20:21:15 ninjashogun: Mats_cd03, asciilifeform and mirceau-p's Cardano - a physical device that escrows private keys and signs documents passed to it over USB - stored passwords as plaintext on the theory that a loss or theft should be considered catastrophic anyway. So storing in plaintext means people will practice better opsec

20:21:25 *: jayk spit darts karpeles

20:21:29 ninjashogun: stores*

20:21:42 Mats_cd03: wat

20:21:48 Apocalyptic: radan, so did MP

20:21:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06001436 = 0.12 BTC [-]

20:22:24 ninjashogun: Mats_cd03, http://cryptome.org/2013/10/bitcoin-usb-gpg.htm

20:22:29 radan: I don't doubt it

20:22:35 radan: my analysis began and ended with "he's a jew"

20:22:51 radan: I think that tells you everything about him, more or less

20:22:51 Mats_cd03: there was more than one egregious security offense in that event

20:22:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.06000641 = 0.6601 BTC [-] {7}

20:23:00 radan: the man's basically a walking stereotype

20:23:06 dexX7: mp is involved with cryptome?

20:23:19 dexX7: nvm

20:23:24 Mats_cd03: they eschewed any preventive administrative controls

20:23:41 Mats_cd03: least privilege, separation of duties, leaving the damn thing on a shared network folder

20:23:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 711 @ 0.00301 = 2.1401 BTC [-] {5}

20:24:13 Mats_cd03: i understand what youre trying to say, pidgin and an infinite number of developers agree with that idea

20:24:30 Mats_cd03: that doesnt mean you stop layering security

20:24:40 dexX7: speaking of security. in 8 days is the worldwide backup day :)

20:24:44 Mats_cd03: you know how spy tradecraft works?

20:24:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11222 @ 0.00094348 = 10.5877 BTC [-] {2}

20:24:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00298105 = 0.1043 BTC [-]

20:25:08 Mats_cd03: its not the techniques per se, its the obscurity in practice that evades detection

20:25:50 mike_c: good track Mats_cd03

20:25:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00298102 = 0.2653 BTC [-]

20:26:01 radan: must be nice knowing all those fancy crypto

20:26:04 radan: things

20:26:31 radan: you can probably store data very securely

20:26:34 Mats_cd03: lol

20:26:58 Mats_cd03: > This man is an Ashkenazi of French background living in Japan.

20:27:20 Mats_cd03: this reminded me of drake, the rapper

20:27:22 jurov: asciilifeform took great pains to explain not even host PC shouldn't be able to recognize it's cardano

20:27:46 Mats_cd03: a canadian jew in the rap game... luls

20:29:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00299999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}

20:29:45 radan: if you're jewish, the world's your stage

20:30:05 radan: there's friendly people in positions of power in every industry wanting to see you succeed

20:30:43 Mats_cd03: do you feel disenfranchised

20:31:00 radan: very

20:31:11 radan: they're the new nobility and no one recognizes it

20:31:22 mike_c: this clearly helped karpales. look how great he's doing!

20:32:23 radan: he's not in jail yet and he's got a lot of money.

20:32:31 radan: I'd say he's doing well for himself

20:33:30 mike_c: if only you had different genes, you could be rich too.

20:33:37 mike_c: if only you weren't you.

20:33:48 radan: Judaism isn't genetic

20:33:54 mike_c: i'm talking about you.

20:34:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28635 @ 0.00094692 = 27.1151 BTC [+] {2}

20:34:13 radan: I'm jewish by jewish law because my grandmother was a jew

20:34:45 Mats_cd03: race envy is terribly out of fashion

20:35:12 radan: what a good argument against anything

20:35:21 radan: "do you realize how unfashionable you're being"

20:35:46 Apocalyptic: <radan> they're the new nobility and no one recognizes it // some do

20:35:46 mike_c: try this. do you realize you sound like a whiny child?

20:35:59 Mats_cd03: "the jews" have less power now than they have ever had at any time in history

20:36:54 benkay: lol karpeles is satoshi

20:36:56 benkay: i like this one

20:37:29 radan: a single Jewish family controls 40% of sweden's enterprise

20:38:05 benkay: radan you're a muslim?

20:38:31 radan: ...

20:38:39 benkay: Mats_cd03: MOAR TRAXX

20:38:53 radan: where did that come from

20:39:13 benkay: all the allah wankery on your blog

20:39:55 radan: that's me making fun of muslims

20:39:59 radan: get with the times, old man

20:40:01 dexX7: hehe benkay, the track is indeed fine. i usually use di.fm for music :)

20:40:12 radan: irony's the new hip thing

20:40:14 benkay: ah

20:40:31 kakobrekla: if anyone is curious, it was akismet that ships default with wp.

20:40:38 benkay: needs more context, radan.

20:40:41 dub: jews making fun of muslims lel

20:40:43 Mats_cd03: benkay: do you like happy by pharrell?

20:41:01 Apocalyptic: kako, the flawed plugin you mean ?

20:41:20 Mats_cd03: benkay: http://www.yourmusicradar.com/pharrell-happy-feat-the-notorious-b-i-g-dj-rob-dinero-remix/

20:41:20 benkay: Mats_cd03: kinda anemic.

20:41:20 radan: anyway, I'm in the oil industry

20:41:39 radan: possibly the industry where jewish connections can least help me

20:42:09 benkay: filthy capital intensive operations

20:42:22 Mats_cd03: and some kanye for the young bloods in here www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0FtrbhfhWg

20:42:52 benkay: ;;seen Vexual

20:42:52 gribble: Vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat

20:43:21 dexX7: <radan> anyway, I'm in the oil industry << burn in hell, kafir

20:43:25 dexX7: jk lol

20:43:54 benkay: Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/eatdatcake/caked-up-drop-that-original

20:44:30 benkay: ah kanye

20:44:43 benkay: that guy.

20:46:04 Mats_cd03: how's your son?

20:46:16 Mats_cd03: he make the team this year?

20:46:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00299999 = 0.219 BTC [+]

20:46:22 Mats_cd03: Aw th-, they said he wasn't tall enough?

20:47:02 Mats_cd03: benkay: you've outed yourself, i can tell you do shitloads of drugs

20:47:10 benkay: not as many as i once did

20:47:28 benkay: shit to do these days.

20:48:46 Mats_cd03: cake up to wake up, sip that shit pass out or play playstation

20:48:58 Mats_cd03: i think im betraying my age... afk

20:49:08 benkay: you're coked to the gills in here regularly, Mats_cd03.

20:49:14 asciilifeform: http://www.latinpost.com/articles/9371/20140323/germans-seize-cocaine-sent-to-vatican.htm

20:49:19 benkay: leastaways seems that way hurr hurr hurr

20:49:46 benkay: relevant yet unrelated photo of lines

20:49:52 Mats_cd03: youre only seeing the highlight reels

20:51:55 benkay: subject of the Vin Mariani the smart kids have introduced me to their new favorite habit of dissolving high-grade cocaine in high-test alcohol and eyedroppering it into their drinks

20:52:08 benkay: "smart".

20:52:17 benkay: and it was just one of them.

20:52:39 asciilifeform: 1880s state of the art!

20:52:47 benkay: everything old is new again.

20:54:07 benkay: i wonder if it reflects something about culture. leaving the boom/bust of pushing crystals through a delicate membrane for a more even dosage level over a longer period of time.

20:56:45 dexX7: kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg5862210#msg5862210 what happened here?

20:57:07 Mats_cd03: benkay: https://soundcloud.com/c2cdjs/down-the-road

20:57:10 dexX7: oh lol

20:57:18 dexX7: never mind.. it's a scam imposter site the guy mentioned

20:59:35 Mats_cd03: http://www.onr.navy.mil/~/media/Files/Fact-Sheets/35/Free-Electron-Laser-2012C.ashx

20:59:48 Mats_cd03: turns out putting nuclear reactors on ships is a great idea

21:00:19 Mats_cd03: (old news)

21:02:48 dexX7: urgh

21:03:27 dexX7: bci is catching up

21:03:35 kakobrekla: jurov it happend 13 days ago. by the timing im guessing you hacked it, sent the money to yourself and now want a refund!

21:04:00 jurov: interesting. any evidence?

21:04:12 kakobrekla: yes examining now

21:04:16 dexX7: https://blockchain.info/orphaned-blocks << did they drop?

21:05:12 dexX7: is there an alternative?

21:05:56 User__: do you guys trust https://blockchain.info ?

21:06:03 dexX7: not anymore

21:06:05 dexX7: it's buggy

21:06:14 User__: dexX7 how do you know? from the UI

21:06:32 dexX7: until a few minutes ago blockchain.info was more than 6 blocks behind

21:06:39 dexX7: and i confirm this with two nodes i run myself

21:06:48 dexX7: and www.blockr.io :)

21:07:25 dexX7: but i have no idea, how you could see that something is wrong, if you only look at blockchain.info itself

21:08:01 User__: what about as an online wallet?

21:09:05 dexX7: at the very moment everything seems to be fine

21:09:53 dexX7: well, worst case is probably that you are "behind". coins should never be at risk, especially because blockchain.info is not the holder of coins

21:10:18 dexX7: you may export the privat keys from your online wallet, just in case

21:10:37 Mats_cd03: you should not be using online wallets at all

21:11:36 cazalla: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/447467794729156608 why hold a meetup at all?

21:12:06 dexX7: and if you do, you may look at: https://www.bitgo.com + https://api.trustedcoin.com//#/ + https://greenaddress.it/

21:14:15 dexX7: fyi: checked the last 100+ blocks. blockchain.info is in sync

21:14:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00299 = 0.1435 BTC [-] {3}

21:16:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05799999 = 0.116 BTC [+]

21:17:20 Mats_cd03: cause bitcoiners wanna be famous and network too

21:18:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058 = 0.116 BTC [+]

21:22:18 cazalla: yes but would you go to an @aantonop meet up with no women?

21:23:43 mircea_popescu: jurov oh i see

21:23:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05700005 = 0.114 BTC [-]

21:24:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.057 = 0.912 BTC [-] {3}

21:28:39 Mats_cd03: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/ippc-to-deliver-darkest-draft-yet/story-e6frg6so-1226862631968 via slashdot

21:28:41 ozbot: Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

21:28:46 mircea_popescu: lol

21:36:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0560001 = 0.112 BTC [-]

21:39:04 jurov: hi mircea_popescu, heard what's new on bitcoin-assets.com ?

21:39:18 mircea_popescu: jurov notrly ?

21:39:34 jurov: a donation addy

21:39:42 jurov: one kako did not knew about

21:40:06 Apocalyptic: he claims the wp was hacked

21:40:39 dexX7: 19 btc donated?

21:40:43 dexX7: https://blockchain.info/address/1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb

21:40:44 ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb

21:41:02 jurov: no that's the right one afaik

21:41:23 dexX7: that's the one linked at the bottom of the website

21:41:24 jurov: i had donated to 14uG7Qcu7riB9rthmmqjVVNn7gtGkZPFGC instead

21:41:31 jurov: kako fixed it

21:41:34 dexX7: ah

21:42:19 jurov: fortunately only 0.1

21:42:36 dexX7: i would worry more about a potential hack than 0.1 btc


21:43:04 dexX7: OMG

21:43:20 mircea_popescu: wait what ?!

21:43:25 dexX7: all teh gossip and slander available for the public!?

21:43:41 mircea_popescu: so how did the false addy end up there ?

21:44:06 jurov: last words were "still under investigation"

21:44:49 mircea_popescu: i did not know this.

21:46:39 Apocalyptic: dexX7, more like the logs could be edited, don't know to what extend it was compromised

21:47:08 mircea_popescu: so whichever of you guise did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Popescu i still think wikipedia sucks.

21:47:14 kakobrekla: the logs were not edited ( except for the shit-smeller part)

21:47:37 dexX7: Apocalyptic: good point

21:49:05 ninjashogun: it says there is no article of that name

21:50:01 ninjashogun: any of you familiar with the 'black swan' concept?

21:50:32 ninjashogun: Do you think the bitcoin phenomenon counts as one?

21:53:35 Mats_cd03: i fancy taleb myself but i find the concept unpalatable

21:54:54 JorgePasada: mats_cd03 I think Taleb would have come off better if so much of his contempt for the people who laughed at him for being wrong all though the financial bubbles didn't seep through his writing. Great ideas, great thoughts/concepts, somewhat poorly presented.

21:55:26 Mats_cd03: it is not repeatable, testable, or falsifiable

21:55:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00299 = 0.4485 BTC [-] {3}

21:55:45 Mats_cd03: it doesnt pass a test of any rigor known by science

21:55:46 mike_c: kako said it was the akismet plugin for wordpress that allowed the hack.

21:56:18 Apocalyptic: hum, http://www.exploit-db.com/search/?action=search&filter_page=1&filter_description=akismet&filter_exploit_text=&filter_author=&filter_platform=0&filter_type=0&filter_lang_id=0&filter_port=&filter_osvdb=&filter_cve=

21:56:32 Apocalyptic: only one known exploit for this, and it's from 2007...

21:58:05 CheckDavid: I need money to start a business.

21:58:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0557 = 1.671 BTC [-]

21:58:53 Mats_cd03: i need business to start a money

21:59:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23843 @ 0.00095123 = 22.6802 BTC [+] {2}

21:59:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06299797 = 0.189 BTC [+] {2}

21:59:55 TestingUnoDosTre: I've got free money for invetipreneurities

22:01:01 Apocalyptic: CheckDavid, what kind of business ?

22:01:28 dexX7: it's a shame that everyone started to yell about the sec stuff, but it was known since korbman was called by them weeks? earlier

22:01:37 *: bounce puts down a high hat and fiddles a tune of big plans and obvious competence

22:01:51 CheckDavid: Web business Apocalyptic . a different kind of job board

22:02:01 mike_c: good to know the WSJ is still weeks behind b-a

22:02:17 dexX7: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2014#535777

22:02:21 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

22:04:11 TestingUnoDosTre: the SEC has been calling people as well as emailing? I didn't realize they worked so much

22:04:14 dexX7: well, i guess the flow of bitcoin news is something like assets-> fraudsters -> reddit -> mass media

22:05:21 benkay: good one, Mats_cd03. that's what i'm doing.

22:05:32 ninjashogun: hi - I am attempting to make an introduction to someone who has LTC for sale (person I would introduce wants to buy ltc). (mid five figures in us fiat). Might someone here be interested?

22:05:44 mircea_popescu: JorgePasada does have a point, he does read a little bitter.

22:05:48 Mats_cd03: benkay: asscoins?

22:06:04 mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> i need business to start a money << hahaha epic.

22:06:15 bounce: you just missed the kid in -otc, though he offered euros

22:07:03 benkay: Mats_cd03: derpy web apps

22:07:33 mircea_popescu: dexX7 not so sure reddit beats that all too often

22:07:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+]

22:07:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 81 @ 0.05475965 = 4.4355 BTC [-] {8}

22:07:41 mircea_popescu: i guess it depends on degrees of separation from cat

22:08:25 radan: is bitcoin an end or a means to an end

22:08:56 JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Overall I like Taleb, I just wish he'd present his ideas without so much of his emotional baggage... but I guess that's the struggle of communication in general. He probably wouldn't be nearly the same person without all those experiences, so I guess some of it is bound to seep through

22:09:04 mircea_popescu: radan http://fraudsters.com/2014/heres-a-thought-being-bitcoin-is-more-of-a-something-to-be-than-being-jewish-ever-was-or-could-ever-be/

22:09:24 Mats_cd03: hahaha

22:09:29 radan: I read it

22:09:32 mircea_popescu: JorgePasada i think this comes with the territory of being old. in the following specific sense :

22:09:46 radan: it makes sense logically, but judaism isn't a logical entity

22:09:49 mircea_popescu: we easily laugh at kids today because they're wimps, no experience with physical violence, completely unable to cope with physical reality.

22:09:58 radan: it involves ties of emotions, genetics, history, and shared experience

22:10:02 mircea_popescu: meanwhile however, they are experts at handling what's called "trolling"

22:10:07 radan: none of these are things that bitcoin can emulate

22:10:08 mircea_popescu: people born before the 80s utterly suck at that

22:10:17 mircea_popescu: "how could he say i fuck donkeys in my spare time!111"

22:11:22 mircea_popescu: so in a sense, it's a quid pro quo, and taleb is captive of his generation.

22:11:51 JorgePasada: I agree with that observation completely, the trolling thing

22:12:13 JorgePasada: especially that younger generations are much better at dealing with it

22:12:41 mircea_popescu: it's very visible to me because i have to be veeehehery careful to insulate the older (mostly engineering) people working for me

22:12:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.065999 = 0.66 BTC [+]

22:12:50 mircea_popescu: from the pr stuff. otherwise they end up moping and all indignant

22:12:58 mircea_popescu: "but how can they say that! THAT IS SO STUPID!!!"

22:14:04 JorgePasada: Trying to tie something into this and make a salient point...

22:14:43 JorgePasada: something in the vein of emotional resilience and self reliance vs physical

22:14:47 mircea_popescu: i usually go listen, forgot about that, it's not your job, let the girls handle it etc.

22:15:35 TestingUnoDosTre: do you pay workers in btc?

22:15:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00095095 = 25.4855 BTC [-]

22:15:57 mircea_popescu: mostly yeah

22:16:46 TestingUnoDosTre: do the engineers freak out a lot with price changes, or do they understand how to protect themselves from shifts in price if they care to do so

22:17:01 mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone actually depends on it.

22:17:25 mircea_popescu: srsly now, as an engineer, if you're any good and you got to be old, how the fuck would you actually need a salary

22:17:39 mike_c: multiple divorces

22:17:42 TestingUnoDosTre: lol

22:17:48 TestingUnoDosTre: multiple children

22:17:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00299 = 0.1794 BTC [-] {2}

22:18:09 mircea_popescu: hehe i guess so

22:19:09 mircea_popescu: and it's not only on this angle, either

22:19:19 mircea_popescu: old people are for some reason really really concerned with libel

22:19:32 mircea_popescu: to the degree they can't even write for the internet. what if someone doesn't like what they say!!1

22:19:50 mircea_popescu: as if, you know. everybody loves raymond or some shit.

22:20:14 mircea_popescu: but as ridiculous as it may seem, a lot of older people have serious trouble coping with the idea that well... not everybody is going to like them. no matter what they do.

22:20:31 mircea_popescu: it's what informs all the god-awful "pr" everyone else is doing.

22:20:54 JorgePasada: one of the weird dichotomies coming out of the internet and the whole 'trolling' thing

22:21:06 CheckDavid: Mats_cd03: u r a genius

22:21:07 JorgePasada: Is I'm meeting more and more young people who realize earlier on in their lives

22:21:14 Mats_cd03: whats the timeline on +m and 0.1btc for +v

22:21:18 JorgePasada: that they don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of them and they're content being themselves

22:21:23 JorgePasada: the flip side of that is

22:21:30 JorgePasada: it seems like it breaks a lot of kids

22:21:44 JorgePasada: some of my younger cousins are throughly fucked up

22:21:50 mircea_popescu: the bill cosby problem

22:21:52 mircea_popescu: wearting their clothes backwards :D

22:21:54 mircea_popescu: myeah.

22:23:27 JorgePasada: This stuff is pretty high up the stack though, i mean, in terms of the maslows triange stuff

22:24:03 JorgePasada: weird thing is, for me at least, the more firm footing I found in the upper self actualization shit, the less of a base I felt I needed to stand on for the other stuff

22:24:04 mircea_popescu: im not so sure about that.

22:24:28 mircea_popescu: take a shy chick to the nude beach, she'll usually rather part with the clothing than be considered a loser by the other chicks.

22:24:46 mircea_popescu: apparently the need to belong beats clothing and shelter.

22:24:56 JorgePasada: I'd agree to that

22:24:59 JorgePasada: in matters of style

22:25:03 JorgePasada: or culture

22:25:06 mircea_popescu: nudity is style ?!

22:25:14 JorgePasada: god I hope so

22:25:43 mircea_popescu: "all she got about her is the way that she walks...

22:25:49 mircea_popescu: cause she can't dance... she can't sing...

22:25:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [-] {2}

22:26:17 JorgePasada: I guess I was about to draw a line where there really isn't one, but like... when it comes to culture/style vs morality and ethics

22:26:23 JorgePasada: kind of more of a spectrum I guess

22:26:26 mircea_popescu: myeah

22:26:44 JorgePasada: But I mean... hmm

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22:26:49 mircea_popescu: !b 1

22:26:59 mircea_popescu: that'll be like the -assets motto

22:27:09 JorgePasada: I guess if it were like "Stoning people cause it's the cool thing" and I felt like I was going to get my ass beat if I didn't stone someone

22:27:13 JorgePasada: I might, I dunno

22:27:20 JorgePasada: interesting thing to think about

22:27:33 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 who knows, may even happen this year.

22:27:39 mircea_popescu: ideally it never happens

22:27:43 JorgePasada: I'd like to think I'd never use force or violence against another human without it being initiated on me first, but...

22:27:46 JorgePasada: yeah, ideally that

22:27:58 JorgePasada: that being said, still glad I know how to shoot well

22:27:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.065999 = 0.33 BTC [+]

22:30:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.065999 = 0.264 BTC [+]

22:31:50 Mats_cd03: are you allowed to carry concealed in your jurisdiction, JorgePasada?

22:32:10 JorgePasada: mats_cd03: Yep, with a permit, which I have.

22:32:48 JorgePasada: A bunch of restrictions on it though

22:32:55 benkay: murca!

22:33:02 Mats_cd03: murica: land of the free and guns

22:35:46 Mats_cd03: friendly reminder for all readers in the us following along

22:37:02 Mats_cd03: if you live in an unsafe area and are in need of home defense, find yourself an antique handgun or firearm: legal to own and unnecessary to declare to local LE in many jurisdictions

22:37:51 Mats_cd03: downsides: expensive, typically slow to reload, usually involves a grand jury investigation

22:38:08 benkay: whatever happened to hiring muscle?

22:38:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 256 @ 0.00297961 = 0.7628 BTC [-] {4}

22:38:19 benkay: !t h rent

22:38:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525000 / 0.00541687 / 0.00556000 (1177 shares, 6.37565958 BTC), 7D: 0.00511800 / 0.00542967 / 0.00568690 (2166 shares, 11.76065904 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555978 / 0.00900001 (50129 shares, 278.70606449 BTC)

22:38:54 Mats_cd03: upsides: low collateral damage, sometimes you can hide the body before authorities appear and forensics will be of little assistance to LE

22:39:02 mircea_popescu: i'm with benkay. if you live in an unsafe area, just open a bar, pass free drinks to the teenaged hoodlums, watch them mow down the police if you ever need any help

22:39:52 benkay: way better

22:40:05 mircea_popescu: definitely cheaper, certainly more enjoyable.

22:40:06 mike_c: wow, RENT has been dipping below ipo already? and btc hasn't even gone up yet.

22:40:13 benkay: mhm

22:40:13 Mats_cd03: id be worried about my place of business being razed by 50 calibre rounds

22:40:27 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 just add steel plating in the walls.

22:40:31 Mats_cd03: dont you know local cops in the us now have dedicated swat teams?

22:40:40 mircea_popescu: so ?

22:40:58 mircea_popescu: go for a hundred rounds/week average.

22:41:09 benkay: well you gotta hedge by taking the commissioner out to dinner regularly too

22:41:14 mircea_popescu: collect all the spent cartridges and have the local chicks make art

22:41:32 Mats_cd03: i saw an MRAP from afghanistan in a parade for st patricks day

22:41:33 mircea_popescu: benkay in a sane country, maybe. in the us, he's not worth the time.

22:42:09 Mats_cd03: it had been retrofitted for use by LE... i pooped myself

22:42:16 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/AltcoinInvest check it out ThickAsThieves

22:42:17 ozbot: Altcoin Investments (AltcoinInvest) on Twitter

22:42:18 benkay: single tear.

22:42:51 Mats_cd03: i have seen those things get blasted by a buried 120mm shell and witnessed the driver walking away from the explosion

22:43:23 benkay: hey mircea_popescu wouldja invite @anjiecast to join us?

22:43:43 mircea_popescu: ya srsly

22:44:21 benkay: "Feminism is not a gulag–it’s not like there are guards that'll shoot you if you try to escape." http://time.com/30397/duke-porn-star-is-right-kink-can-be-a-feminist-choice/ … idk still skeptical

22:44:56 mircea_popescu: what's to be skeptical about ?

22:45:05 mircea_popescu: feminist slavegirls ftw.

22:45:06 benkay: fuck if i can figure out how to link to a specific tweet

22:45:32 benkay: well its twitter. i imagine she has to stake out some controversial stance.

22:46:04 benkay: american feminism is totally down with lifestyle bdsm man

22:46:12 mircea_popescu: right.

22:46:49 benkay: but on the internet, say anything off party line and get burnt.

22:47:10 benkay: far easier to have this conversation with the lady in question present.

22:48:18 wao-ende1: whats happening with vircurex?

22:48:20 mircea_popescu: well maybe she joins

22:48:43 mircea_popescu: so far i've noticed people tend to join when invited.

22:49:02 ThickAsThieves: "Orphancoin has potential for real world adoption."

22:49:05 ThickAsThieves: hehe

22:49:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00095095 = 23.2983 BTC [-]

22:49:43 mircea_popescu: is this a coin where every block's an orphan or is this a coin that will be "airdropped" on orphans

22:50:23 ThickAsThieves: it'll be airdropped on mommies and daddies that love each other very much

22:51:20 mircea_popescu: umm

22:51:36 mircea_popescu: wait, it's a "trade children currency" ?

22:51:37 mircea_popescu: bejesus.

22:52:07 asciilifeform: slavecoin!

22:53:17 ThickAsThieves: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners

22:53:17 ozbot: Butterfly Labs and BF Labs, Inc. Bitcoin Miners | Wood Law Firm

22:53:32 mircea_popescu: myeah.

22:53:44 ThickAsThieves: isnt katecraig's name "Wood"?

22:53:48 ThickAsThieves: scam!

22:54:12 ThickAsThieves: "we seek to create a list of gullible idiots"

22:56:00 mircea_popescu: lol no, it's an actual law firm from like missouri iirc

22:56:22 mircea_popescu: modern day ambulance chasers, they mostly work injury and consumer claims

22:58:12 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/215mbl/psa_dont_losebreak_your_phone_if_youre_doing_2fa/

22:58:26 nubbins`: how's this for a PSA: back up your fuckin phone

22:58:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00094938 = 26.2978 BTC [-] {2}

22:59:47 benkay: not as though 2fa really helps if your counterparties are incompetent

22:59:53 benkay: ;;google cascadian hacker 2fa

22:59:54 gribble: No matches found.

22:59:56 benkay: wat

23:00:00 ThickAsThieves: not that it's the best solution, but doesn't the Authy app store 2fa in their "cloud"

23:00:04 benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_webwallets-will-always-fail-fr33aids-wallet-robbed-blockchaininfo-complicit-in-2fa-compromise.html

23:00:05 ozbot: Webwallets Will Always Fail - Fr33aid's wallet robbed, Blockchain.info complicit in 2FA compromise

23:03:22 mircea_popescu: princessnell as opposed to eskimo nell ?

23:04:23 nubbins`: fun fact, "eskimo" is a derogatory term in canada

23:05:11 mircea_popescu: eh everything's a derogatory term somewhere

23:05:16 nubbins`: nod

23:05:19 mircea_popescu: but eskimo nell's a thing.

23:05:24 mircea_popescu: ;;google "eskimo nell"

23:05:25 gribble: The Ballad of Eskimo Nell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballad_of_Eskimo_Nell; Eskimo Nell - Rugby Songs Home: http://www.rugbysongs.net/028%20Eskimo%20Nell.htm; The Ballad of Eskimo Nell: http://www.low.net.au/eskimo.html

23:05:55 nubbins`: afaik the literal translation of eskimo is "eater of raw meat"

23:06:15 nubbins`: and this caused some consternation from the inhabitants of canada's north

23:06:30 mircea_popescu: well... they look like they eat the meat raw...

23:06:36 nubbins`: it's totally a thing

23:06:38 mircea_popescu: :D

23:06:55 nubbins`: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/governor-general-applauded-denounced-for-eating-raw-seal/article4292531/

23:06:56 ozbot: Governor-General applauded, denounced for eating raw seal - The Globe and Mail

23:07:04 mircea_popescu: i wonder how long before southpark starts idling in here to crib material for furhter episodes.

23:07:41 mircea_popescu: nubbins` actually you know what ? fuck! you don't need to make a quarterly \book or w/e

23:07:44 mircea_popescu: you need to make a shitty cartoon

23:07:51 mircea_popescu: like sorta-parodic mockery of assets

23:08:14 nubbins`: imagine, a haitian woman becomes the queen's representative in canada, and flies up north to eat raw meat with people who take offense at being called eaters of raw meat

23:08:14 kakobrekla: anyway, some noob exploited aksimet default shipping plugin, changed the address and left everything behind. this happened 13 days ago. everything else checks out.

23:08:35 nubbins`: that's a storyline right there

23:08:37 dub: HHFT of bitcoin

23:08:48 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sheeeit

23:09:03 kakobrekla: 0.1 btc a dignity is lost.

23:09:09 mircea_popescu: do you even php

23:09:33 nubbins`: do you even pcp

23:09:41 mircea_popescu: i sometimes pgp...

23:09:46 kakobrekla: since today on i have a dedicated wp secretary

23:09:52 kakobrekla: things will improve!

23:10:02 kakobrekla: said garr

23:10:08 mircea_popescu: cut your cock off and get implants!

23:10:24 mircea_popescu: btw, speaking of butterfly abs :

23:10:24 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/61464935f76488c88a645bb814fe9938/tumblr_mg8i4jh6AC1s0ece5o1_1280.jpg

23:12:07 kakobrekla: jurov your addy?

23:12:49 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/anjiecast << anyone know who those two guys are in the background there ?

23:12:50 ozbot: Andrea Castillo (anjiecast) on Twitter

23:13:13 dub: butterfly labes

23:13:26 benkay: butterfly lobes

23:13:45 benkay: fuck mircea_popescu it's rattling around somewhere in my brain...

23:14:01 phf: dali and man ray

23:14:04 mircea_popescu: "your head's very small and the brain's rattling around"

23:14:06 benkay: yesssssss

23:14:19 benkay: oi.

23:14:22 mircea_popescu: lol

23:14:30 mircea_popescu: phf ty :)

23:14:46 benkay: princessnell: are you the just-linked anjiecast?

23:15:05 mircea_popescu: more usefully : hey princessnell, to talk you write in the bar to the bottom of the screen and press enter.

23:15:16 benkay: i always forget that

23:16:28 mircea_popescu: by the way : here's dali saying romania is the best there is

23:16:28 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/radu-varia/

23:16:29 ozbot: Radu Varia pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:17:01 benkay: well the pit is prepared for his afternoon training. i'm off to make him a better dog.

23:17:10 nubbins`: i had a prof for vector calculus named oana radu

23:17:18 ninjashogun: what's the online wallet with the best reputation?

23:17:35 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7BvtmDcv_U

23:17:35 ozbot: Oana Radu & Dr Mako feat. Eli - Tu - YouTube

23:17:36 mircea_popescu: that chick ?

23:18:17 benkay: ninjashogun: web wallets are anathema.

23:18:20 mircea_popescu: (oana is top 20 frequency name for a girl, radu is top 50 or so frequency for a boy. gypsyes in the south keep calling themselves firstname-firstname)

23:18:21 nubbins`: nope

23:18:46 ninjashogun: holy #$@ mirceau you sure know how to pick them. But I would never go for a woman with such an intellectually provocative public profile. Only the ones who keep that to themselves (as I do). makes everything easier :) :)

23:19:00 nubbins`: http://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/detail-2643/videos/

23:19:00 ozbot: Death - Live at Amoeba Music

23:19:02 nubbins`: ^

23:19:38 ninjashogun: also, anyone who lists "psychology" as an interest is dead to me. They are beyond crazy, and without exception. I don't know a single marker as predictive of mental instability as interest in psychology.

23:20:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05261133 = 0.1578 BTC [-] {2}

23:23:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526 = 0.1052 BTC [-] {2}

23:24:25 mircea_popescu: ;;seen moiety

23:24:25 gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <moiety> i sreepy, good mew all, whatever your timezone!

23:24:29 mircea_popescu: ;;seen izzy_

23:24:30 gribble: izzy_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 15 hours, 9 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Izzy_> ok

23:24:49 mircea_popescu: long weekend in pennsylvania ?

23:27:31 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> https://twitter.com/anjiecast << anyone know who those two guys are in the background there ? /// Dali

23:27:41 mircea_popescu: as per the log :p

23:27:45 ThickAsThieves: oh

23:27:58 mircea_popescu: i was mostly messing with benkay

23:28:02 mircea_popescu: and successfully i might add :D

23:28:54 ThickAsThieves: mp you look pretty hardcore with that shaved head and beard now

23:29:15 mircea_popescu: why ty

23:29:42 ThickAsThieves: first time shaved?

23:29:50 ThickAsThieves: is it itchy?

23:29:59 benkay: SO CONFUS

23:30:41 mircea_popescu: i often shave in teh summer

23:30:55 mircea_popescu: but atm i look more like the old pic than this new one

23:31:21 ThickAsThieves: as long as you maintain a hint of rabbi, i'm cool with it

23:31:25 ThickAsThieves: :)

23:31:53 mircea_popescu: lol

23:33:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526059 = 0.1052 BTC [+]

23:35:01 mircea_popescu: "In London, the different guilds divided into tribes and engaged in violent disputes. In 1339, fishmongers were involved in a series of major street battles with goldsmiths. But ironically, the apprentices with the worst reputation for violence belonged to the legal profession."

23:35:04 mircea_popescu: heh

23:35:36 mircea_popescu: In the 15th and 16th Centuries, apprentice riots in London became more common, with the mob targeting foreigners including the Flemish and Lombards. On May Day in 1517, the call to riot was shouted out - "Prentices and clubs!" - and a night of looting and violence followed that shocked Tudor England.

23:35:36 mircea_popescu: By this time, the city was swelling with apprentices, and the adult population was finding them more difficult to control, says Barbara Hanawalt. As early death from infectious disease became rarer the apprentices faced a long wait to take over from their masters. "You've got quite a number of young men who are in apprenticeships who have got no hope of getting a workshop and a business of their own," says Jeremy Goldb

23:35:37 mircea_popescu: erg. "You've got numbers of somewhat disillusioned and disenfranchised young men, who may be predisposed to challenging authority, because they have nothing invested in it."

23:36:00 mircea_popescu: such progres. much wow.

23:36:26 mircea_popescu: (hint : the english crown did not survive)

23:38:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the answers lie in the sewers'

23:38:18 mircea_popescu: quite

23:38:46 mircea_popescu: benkay dude you didn't scare the woman off in private did you ?

23:40:03 kakobrekla: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424552.msg5864381#msg5864381

23:40:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526079 = 0.1052 BTC [-]

23:40:11 ozbot: Is betsofbitcoin.in dead?

23:40:12 kakobrekla: easy to compare oneself with dead horse

23:41:14 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla amusingly... that's actually the shit mpoe-pr references.

23:41:26 mircea_popescu: they got pushed by zero hedge and made like... half a btc or somesuch

23:43:16 kakobrekla: dunno whats the bigger problem, the service or the audience

23:43:38 mircea_popescu: "Definitely no one on this forum gets any credit whatsoever. You're all idiots."

23:43:44 mircea_popescu: so either way really.

23:45:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.065999 = 0.198 BTC [+]

23:51:50 mircea_popescu: .d

23:51:50 ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 183 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8880% in 1d 0h 59m 38s

23:57:29 ThickAsThieves: see i said 16% was too low!

23:57:32 ThickAsThieves: (for the bet)

23:58:21 kakobrekla: unverified unknown just xpasting http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=c2qWB3nU

23:59:13 kakobrekla: (by your favorite gossip supplier)