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00:00:17 asciilifeform: too few balls, they have, to utter 'an ought' straight up

00:00:47 asciilifeform: the people I would trust to keep my money for me are...well..not likeable at all << obligatory: my original review of MPEx.

00:01:02 asciilifeform: (it was an essay largely about this concept)

00:02:51 asciilifeform: 'Under the terms of the deal, Emery is expecting return to Canada to serve his sentence, said Tousaw.' << wai wat!?!?! canada offers 'sit in jail for your crimes in usa' service? how about iran? can i do time in canada for blasphemy against the prophet ?

00:03:17 asciilifeform: http://xkcd.com/180 << obligatory

00:03:18 assbot: xkcd: Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bn2U17 )

00:04:44 asciilifeform: it's copied exactly off the forest laws of medieval england << who, then, are the nobles? is obamitler walking around in seal coat? warren buffett ?

00:07:42 asciilifeform: trinque: guys where is my 5mil in VC cheese for deedbot?! << obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916

00:07:42 assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.

00:08:05 *: asciilifeform caught up on log... finally

00:09:58 decimation: asciilifeform: the question in my mind is the concept of 'title' without reference to the state. it seems to me that it is meaningless outside a particular legal code

00:10:28 decimation: or perhaps resolves to 'imma kill u 'n take ur stuff'

00:11:11 asciilifeform: decimation: meaningless without state as far as i can see

00:11:33 asciilifeform: not necessarily the modern totalitarian monstrosity. but state in some form

00:12:00 asciilifeform: or at least a coalition of folks who are able to penalize you for violating the title (could wot do this? possibly)

00:12:43 *: asciilifeform not expert on the practical mechanics of electric feudalism

00:13:09 decimation: heh.

00:14:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064364 << constructive title.

00:14:09 assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 23:54:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is they didn't have title << does a suitcase full of benjies have 'title' ? or a tonne of gold bar? or not because fungible

00:14:23 mircea_popescu: which is why the whole "confiscated cash in drug bust" thing.

00:14:49 mircea_popescu: note that i'm not saying anything about what's useful, merely going through how the logic of that thing works.

00:15:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i always read it as 'plebe may not possess allocatory capital tokens' thing

00:15:25 asciilifeform: (which a sufficiently heavy bag of benjies would in principle be)

00:15:37 mircea_popescu: well, you can read it any way you want, but legally, it flows from "title is title, if you don't have title you may use constructive title (possession is 9/10 of the law and all that), except so and so"

00:16:03 asciilifeform: was picasso listed as an 'except so' ?

00:16:06 *: asciilifeform ianal

00:16:27 mircea_popescu: "except so and so" = "except if it seems to come from drugdealing"

00:16:40 asciilifeform: any fr jurists here? davout ?

00:16:43 mircea_popescu: but that's the font of all the "prove you didn't steal it" thing.

00:16:50 asciilifeform: are picassos presumed to come from dope work ?

00:17:12 mircea_popescu: that's not the controlling bit. the controlling bit is, "can you prove this is yours ?"

00:18:55 *: asciilifeform unable to find 'constructive title' in reference; only found 'constructive possession'

00:19:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00027062 = 3.721 BTC [-]

00:20:07 mircea_popescu: i made up the term for this discussion.

00:20:12 asciilifeform: l0l

00:20:12 mircea_popescu: prolly shoulda added scarequotes.

00:20:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so, under this concept, if cannot prove that it is yours, it reverts to the last registered owner?

00:20:31 mircea_popescu: yep

00:20:47 mircea_popescu: which is why the picassos aren't going to the state, but to the heirs.

00:21:05 asciilifeform: except they did go to the state. the heirs, note, didn't show up with rifle to take it

00:21:10 asciilifeform: the state helpfully did it for them

00:21:34 mircea_popescu: how's that relevant ?

00:21:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064373 << might be exactly the problem, on superficial perusal of the literature.

00:21:59 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 00:00:17; asciilifeform: too few balls, they have, to utter 'an ought' straight up

00:22:06 asciilifeform: that it was servants of the crown who not only showed up to dekulakize the electrician, but handed out jail term

00:22:35 asciilifeform: but i get the legal fiction involved, yes

00:23:02 mircea_popescu: aite then

00:23:53 mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title.

00:24:10 mircea_popescu: in this view of Bitcoin, only Draper has any, or whoever bought it from USG.

00:24:11 asciilifeform: seems like inevitably will be tried

00:24:15 mircea_popescu: sort-of like a usg-run laundromat.

00:24:18 mircea_popescu: likely, yeah.

00:24:23 asciilifeform: didn't this already have one go around ?

00:24:29 asciilifeform: some idiot had 'whitelist'

00:24:29 mircea_popescu: not afaik.,

00:24:36 *: asciilifeform distinctly recalls

00:24:41 asciilifeform: !s whitelisting

00:24:41 assbot: 3 results for 'whitelisting' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whitelisting

00:24:43 asciilifeform: !s whitelist

00:24:44 assbot: 50 results for 'whitelist' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whitelist

00:24:51 mircea_popescu: but it jives very well with "so what if we can't control bitcoin - it'd divisible, so let's just carve a kiddy pool and play in there! "

00:25:02 asciilifeform: !s taxcoin

00:25:03 assbot: 2 results for 'taxcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=taxcoin

00:25:14 decimation: luke-jr was kinda advocating the blacklist if I recall

00:25:48 decimation: !up Luke-Jr

00:25:58 decimation: didn't you advance a blacklist in gentoo?

00:26:05 funkenstein_: actually that kinda makes more sense than a separate fedcoin

00:26:19 asciilifeform: iirc he understood that other folks would choose to relay the 'bad' tx

00:26:22 Luke-Jr: what blacklist are you claiming I advocate?

00:26:27 Luke-Jr: decimation: no

00:26:29 asciilifeform: but wanted to make some kind of statement against dice

00:28:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fedcoin carved from bitcoin is missing key feature for them - forced transfer

00:28:27 asciilifeform: what do they do when it is time to confiscate? revoke the blessing on the coin? this doesn't move it back into the state coffer

00:28:36 asciilifeform: nor enabled them to mint debased coin at will

00:28:54 asciilifeform: an altcoin (with some form of key escrow) still seems likely imho

00:29:04 asciilifeform: (as a candidate for 'fedcoin')

00:29:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose they make a few peers that use Luke-Jr style rules, and then ddos the ~60 or so remaining nodes.

00:29:21 mircea_popescu: there's a reason usgavin & co pretend like nodes are not important while trying to make them not feasible.

00:29:36 mircea_popescu: sadly for that party the attempt to do so quietly failed catastrophically, but what's that mean ?

00:29:51 funkenstein_: you don't have to ddos the remaining nodes.. just declare your colored coins to be worth 10x the others

00:30:06 mircea_popescu: ...

00:30:12 asciilifeform: in exchange for freshly printed green

00:30:15 asciilifeform: funkenstein_ has it

00:30:23 decimation: usg could just arrest/seize/forfeit nodes it doesn't like

00:30:31 mircea_popescu: or at any rate try.

00:31:05 asciilifeform: it is worth asking what usg would be trying to accomplish with fedcoin

00:31:08 mircea_popescu: but notice that the people who do not suffer from that famous " pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy " will not have much problems using usg-nodes anyway

00:31:10 mircea_popescu: and so...

00:31:24 asciilifeform: for some purposes 'colouring' existing btc as funkenstein_ described would work

00:31:32 asciilifeform: and less noise, less fuss, than gasenwagen

00:31:44 asciilifeform: 'woah my shit is worth 10x, sell' goes typical lamer

00:31:47 funkenstein_: like newton did with gold

00:31:55 mircea_popescu: the only purpose it would really work for is, giving us a lot of weaponry to kill them with

00:31:58 decimation: asciilifeform: but then usg is stuck with backing dollars with bitcoin

00:32:00 mircea_popescu: which is why i kinda suspect it's inevitable.

00:32:27 funkenstein_: i think this is a post dollar discussion

00:32:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the kill shot would involve an 'arse-mouth system', no?

00:32:39 mircea_popescu: everything since 2009 or so is a post-dollar discussion.

00:32:48 asciilifeform: where 1) idiot fed pays 10x 2) mr jihad buys 10x normal coin 3) ??? 4) go to 1

00:33:01 funkenstein_: wish i was here earlier :)

00:33:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, they bought isis the weapons and then they bought isis the meatsacks to practice shooting round tikrit.

00:33:12 mircea_popescu: seems to me they mostly buy us shit, so.

00:33:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100% same as afghan campaign '03-present

00:33:24 decimation: well, people in ohio need jobs see...

00:33:37 mircea_popescu: right, so why would one expect different ?

00:34:17 asciilifeform: but i can see the 'win' from afghan - lockheed, grumman, halliburton, general dynamics, etc. get to churn inventory

00:34:24 asciilifeform: the actual purpose of every usg mil engagement since korea

00:34:30 asciilifeform: but what'd be the 'win' here ?

00:34:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15138 @ 0.00027062 = 4.0966 BTC [-]

00:34:41 mircea_popescu: i dunno, draper gets to pretend like he's a savvy businessman ?

00:34:46 mircea_popescu: after pretending like he bought bitcoin ?

00:34:49 mircea_popescu: gotta keep the pretense up.

00:36:24 decimation: I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket

00:36:26 asciilifeform: as i understand, operating with the 'monetary system as storage battery' model (mr mold's ?) usg has two possible (non-exclusive) agendas re: btc: 1) steal charge from the battery 2) blow up the battery

00:36:34 asciilifeform: ideally 1+2, i venture to guess, from their point of view

00:36:43 asciilifeform: but separable conceptually

00:36:48 mircea_popescu: neither works.

00:36:57 asciilifeform: sure - but which is the desired one

00:37:02 mircea_popescu: the only actually available thing is, print a "Obama made this lolz" sticker, try to affix.

00:37:06 asciilifeform: for the current set of lizardfolk

00:37:19 mircea_popescu: and so i imagine this is what they'll do.

00:37:40 asciilifeform: decimation: german 'v1'

00:37:56 decimation: moldbug thought the us would jail exchanges/possessors, but usg lost the initiative on that one

00:38:08 asciilifeform: decimation: actually they didn't need to jail - no one dared

00:38:11 asciilifeform: afaik

00:38:15 mircea_popescu: i told him he was wrong back then. sadly... as per the castrato model, never answered.

00:38:17 asciilifeform: to make a non-usg exchange in usa

00:39:14 decimation: kinda like a 'v1', but with the appropriate tracking/seeking system, and an entire fleet in orbit around 'La Serenissima'

00:39:17 asciilifeform: thing is, there are multiple overlapping fields of fire re: usg vs exchanges. e.g., banks monitor -all- incoming and outgoing flow

00:39:52 asciilifeform: decimation: pertinent thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2014#934786

00:39:52 assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.

00:40:11 decimation: yes, presumes the ability to manufacture jet parts

00:40:17 decimation: not a 'partizan' system

00:40:19 asciilifeform: aviation, by and large, only works when you're a mega-state with maxint constantly replaced slaves to parasitise

00:40:34 asciilifeform: decimation: make me so much as a transistor circa 1950 with partizan tech.

00:40:51 decimation: I would settle for a partizan bank

00:41:11 funkenstein_: transistor tech has changed a bit in 40 years, jet engines not so much

00:41:31 decimation: as I recall the 'v1' had no moving parts

00:41:36 asciilifeform: fine. make a me262 with jungle tech.

00:41:44 decimation: hehe yea not me262 though

00:41:45 asciilifeform: or even the same 'v1'

00:42:00 asciilifeform: or hell, a single ak round.

00:42:07 decimation: at a minimum you would need fairly modern metallurgy

00:42:21 asciilifeform: most folks who go in for this line of thought, have no idea how much industry is baked into even something like an ak round.

00:42:46 decimation: yeah, especially if you want to make it 'from ore'

00:42:47 asciilifeform: no need to pontificate - the folks in palestine are playing 'junkyard wars' warfare as we speak

00:42:53 asciilifeform: check out what kind of weapons they fight with.

00:43:08 decimation: old busted ex soviet stuff welded to toyotas, etc

00:43:20 asciilifeform: well, to be fair, they have rockets made from old plumbing

00:43:26 asciilifeform: but iirc that's the top of their game

00:43:34 asciilifeform: (with respect to self-made items)

00:43:38 decimation: or your 'recoiless rifles'

00:43:48 asciilifeform: those - imported.

00:44:23 decimation: as are the actually effective guided rockets

00:45:01 decimation: although I think a guided rocket is more likely to be manufactured by a 'partizan' than bullets actually

00:45:21 asciilifeform: marginally.

00:45:34 decimation: still would need good metal and precision milling

00:45:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4518 @ 0.00027062 = 1.2227 BTC [-]

00:45:54 asciilifeform: and good post-metalwork process (temper)

00:46:28 asciilifeform: incidentally, this is yet another reason why i try to convince folks to read about electrolytic milling

00:46:55 asciilifeform: (afaik a soviet-only technology, to date, at least in the sense of general-purpose multi-axis milling rather than glorified casting - all you'll find on the subject in english)

00:47:04 asciilifeform: electrolysis doesn't give a flying fuck about temper

00:47:11 asciilifeform: or hardness of the material in general, so long as it conducts

00:47:28 decimation: does it work on Al with the oxide layer?

00:47:30 asciilifeform: hence you can use pre-tempered whatevers (car axles, etc.) and go straight to $weaponpart

00:47:44 asciilifeform: decimation: with a little chemical magic, yes

00:50:44 decimation: http://atomicdelights.com/blog/a-glimpse-at-how-the-apple-watch-is-made < asciilifeform did you see this? this was the most interesting bit to me: "Apple is doing something utterly unique in this 5 seconds of video - they are using a laser to clean up any burrs or finishing defects from machining."

00:50:46 assbot: How Apple Makes the Watch — Atomic Delights ... ( http://bit.ly/1COmrhT )

00:54:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00026982 = 2.941 BTC [-]

00:57:17 funkenstein_: !up Luke-Jr

01:07:20 BingoBoingo: decimation: More interesting is how the reach 18 karats by... bulking up the "gold" with high volume low density ceramics as the alloying agent.

01:07:50 BingoBoingo: Lightest 18k gold around

01:30:13 decimation: BingoBoingo: according to that page they are not using that patented ceramic procedure, but are instead using an alloy with 'work hardening' "For the Watch Edition however, Apple appears to have eschewed any revolutionary alchemy and instead, applied an innovative work hardening process to create gold that is (claimed to be) significantly harder than the typical 18kt used by other watchmakers. "

01:30:22 decimation: nubbins`: have you ever done work with gold leaf?

01:30:41 nubbins`: metallic inks, closest thing

01:31:02 decimation: I would imagine it would be a pain in the ass

01:31:20 decimation: canada mints 24k gold coins, which is kinda dumb

01:31:21 danielpbarron: !up Bagels7

01:31:23 nubbins`: asciilifeform:'Under the terms of the deal, Emery is expecting return to Canada to serve his sentence, said Tousaw.' << wai wat!?!?! canada offers 'sit in jail for your crimes in usa' service? how about iran? can i do time in canada for blasphemy against the prophet ? <<< emery is a canadian national -- this is like /you/ doing time in /iran/ for blasphemy against the prophet because you mailed an iranian a copy of hebdo

01:31:32 BingoBoingo: decimation: I'm not sure I can trust Apple to not use words in a way wildly different from word's actual meanings

01:31:34 nubbins`: decimation 99999 purity, finest in the world

01:31:46 decimation: yeah but utterly impractical for circulation

01:31:53 nubbins`: they're... not circulation

01:31:55 decimation: you want to alloy with copper etc for durability

01:32:08 nubbins`: compare to a krugerrand, which was a circulation coin

01:32:10 nubbins`: and thusly alloyed

01:32:20 decimation: 'american gold eagle' too

01:32:32 decimation: I'm not denying it's pretty, just impractical for its stated purpose

01:32:51 nubbins`: given its face value of $50, a gold maple leaf definitely is impractical for use as currency

01:33:04 nubbins`: since its expenditure represents a 4-digit net loss

01:33:20 decimation: heh well there's that

01:33:24 nubbins`: :D

01:33:41 decimation: I think we discussed this awhile ago, some guy tried to get 'taxed' by the 'face value' of gold eagles

01:33:49 decimation: usg was not amused

01:33:49 nubbins`: heh

01:34:03 nubbins`: maybe if he bought em for fv.

01:34:24 nubbins`: with the requisite loss written into the seller's tax return

01:34:41 nubbins`: speaking of coins

01:34:55 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10854328#msg10854328

01:34:56 assbot: Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJWoH0 )

01:35:33 decimation: lol people wanna pay 7.8 btc for 0.5 btc coin?

01:35:47 nubbins`: nuts hey

01:35:59 decimation: I guess the market decides the price...

01:36:02 nubbins`: ^

01:40:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9728 @ 0.00027045 = 2.6309 BTC [+] {2}

01:42:22 mircea_popescu: nubbins` no it's nbot. he's canadian national doing time IN CANADA for having offended foreign government.

01:45:43 nubbins`: he actually did 3-4 years in usa

01:45:51 nubbins`: was extradited from here

01:48:59 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/load/

01:49:00 assbot: Load ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJWT3V )

01:50:26 mircea_popescu: lol

01:50:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0002701 = 2.9981 BTC [-] {2}

02:01:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00027432 = 4.2931 BTC [+]

02:03:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00026949 = 3.4764 BTC [-] {2}

02:22:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00027432 = 2.8666 BTC [+]

02:33:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00027432 = 3.0998 BTC [+]

02:36:38 mircea_popescu: "No doubt the Jews aren't a lovable people; I don't care about them myself; but that is not sufficient to explain the Pogrom."

02:36:41 mircea_popescu: who said ?

02:38:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00027432 = 5.1298 BTC [+]

02:42:20 decimation: FDR?

02:42:49 mircea_popescu: chamberlain, actually.

02:42:54 decimation: heh

02:43:11 mircea_popescu: What a Chamberlain government would have done had there been no war in 1939 will never be known, but an election was due in 1940, and the manifesto proposals outlined by the Conservative Research Department embraced family allowances and the inclusion of insured persons' dependants in health cover?about half the advances usually attributed to Beveridge. As Lady Cecily Debenham wrote to Chamberlain's widow, Anne, afte

02:43:11 mircea_popescu: r his death: "Neville was a Radical to the end of his days. It makes my blood boil when I see his ?Tory? and ?Reactionary? outlook taken as a matter of course because the Whirligig of Politics made him leader of the Tory party."

02:43:18 mircea_popescu: turns out... a socailist too ?!

02:43:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7845 @ 0.00026901 = 2.1104 BTC [-]

02:44:15 asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is like /you/ doing time in /iran/ for blasphemy against the prophet because you mailed an iranian a copy of hebdo << nah that would be like me doing time in local state pen for mailing hebdo to teheran

02:44:45 mircea_popescu: "for a more perfect world union"

02:44:48 nubbins`: none of these sound great ;/

02:44:56 asciilifeform: nubbins` et al: of course this is a trick question, because canada (like the rest of the 'civilized' - and even the orcish - world) is signatory to the nacro convention

02:45:06 asciilifeform: and hence the pretenses of differing laws are just that

02:45:10 asciilifeform: *narco

02:45:34 nubbins`: ^

02:45:47 nubbins`: and what the UN says, goes!

02:46:06 asciilifeform: quite possibly this was the juridicial basis for the fella sitting in a ca jail for a us violation

02:46:17 asciilifeform: or wait, vice versa

02:46:31 asciilifeform: damn, the sheer perversity of this plays with the brain

02:46:31 nubbins`: yeah, he never set foot in usa til they brought him there

02:46:43 nubbins`: but i guess his mail was an extension of himself

02:46:48 asciilifeform: neither did noriega

02:46:52 nubbins`: heh.

02:47:16 nubbins`: were noriega's crimes a $200 fine in panama?

02:47:20 nubbins`: (trick question 8)

02:47:21 mircea_popescu: well the difference beeing that seeds were also not illegal.

02:47:38 asciilifeform: iirc they are not illegal in usa either

02:47:44 nubbins`: oh yes they are

02:47:47 mircea_popescu: a fine example of the insanity is the life and times of one little, aka max hardcore

02:47:49 nubbins`: 1 seed = 1 plant in usa

02:47:56 nubbins`: (iirc!)

02:48:00 mircea_popescu: nubbins` nowadays. not then.

02:48:06 asciilifeform: are the legal 'hempseeds' found in hippy foods somehow inactivated ?

02:48:12 asciilifeform: demilitarized? denatured?

02:48:16 asciilifeform: (what's the term of art here)

02:48:19 nubbins`: non-psychoactive strain

02:48:27 asciilifeform: how to prove which strain w/out growing

02:48:32 nubbins`: hemp seeds are as benign as hops flowers

02:48:35 *: nubbins` shrugs

02:48:44 nubbins`: admittedly never seen whole hemp seeds

02:48:52 asciilifeform: i also recall that, at least until recently, psychoactive mushroom spores were legal in usa

02:49:01 nubbins`: ok, visibly different.

02:49:07 nubbins`: the fun ones have tiger stripes

02:49:08 danielpbarron: hemp is illegal in USSA

02:49:25 nubbins`: http://growersguidetocannabis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/DSC_0063.jpg

02:49:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpAnQk )

02:51:01 decimation: moldbug has a quote that implicates FDR in covering for the soviets for Katyn

02:51:58 nubbins`: vs benign hemp seeds: http://imgur.com/J4Q6ni7

02:51:59 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpB0cT )

02:53:04 mircea_popescu: i dun see much difference.

02:53:18 BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> vs benign hemp seeds: http://imgur.com/J4Q6ni7 << Appear to have been roasted, shouldn't germinate

02:53:18 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpBkYX )

02:53:35 nubbins`: hard to find pics of raw ones

02:53:44 nubbins`: anyway, emery served ~4 years in usa

02:53:48 nubbins`: released this past aug

02:53:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00026901 = 2.3404 BTC [-]

02:53:56 decimation: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/march/21/cold-war-ii-this-time-the-commies-are-in-washington/ < ron paul's man rants about commies

02:53:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpBtf5 )

02:54:35 asciilifeform: l0l! dugin is 'sanctioned' now ?

02:55:36 decimation: yeah I thought you would like that

02:55:39 mircea_popescu: Written by William Norman Grigg

02:55:41 mircea_popescu: who's that ?

02:56:42 decimation: he was a journalist before he had enough and joined the 'john birch society'

02:56:57 decimation: think 'old republicans'

02:57:07 asciilifeform: piece describes the nato 'stop smashing your nose into my fist' tradition

02:57:19 asciilifeform: rather unusually for engl. media

02:57:23 mircea_popescu: "He should consider himself fortunate that he hasn?t yet been targeted for a drone strike." fortune has nothing to do with it. the bumbing us navy lacks the operational capability to carry out drone strikes where he lives.

02:58:41 mircea_popescu: nice link to the brejnev speech tho

02:59:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00026901 = 4.7346 BTC [-]

03:02:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16297 @ 0.00026901 = 4.3841 BTC [-]

03:03:56 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/1fa1a9d0cd350fb833875ceebe1a6d55/tumblr_muo1mwuzAo1rln4dzo1_1280.jpg

03:03:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N42jHZ )

03:04:13 decimation: heh http://web.archive.org/web/20140210003414/http://culteducation.com/reference/jbs/jbs1.html < re: grigg

03:04:15 assbot: Conservative camp roasts more than just weenies ... ( http://bit.ly/1N42mnb )

03:05:21 asciilifeform: phun phact: 2nd president of birch society burned on the famous korean airlines 007.

03:05:33 decimation: "Consider the environmental movement. On the surface, it appears to be a collection of "wonderful, benevolent people trying to help and save the Earth," Koehle tells the campers, who range in age from 13 to 20.In reality, she says, it's a plot to unite humanity against a common enemy, pollution, and lay the groundwork for a world regime.Koehle urges students to ignore doomsday hype about-such things as endangered species - extinction

03:05:35 decimation: isn't necessarily bad, she says, noting that dinosaurs became oil deposits -- and depletion of the ozone layer, a point with which some mainstream scientists agree."

03:05:55 asciilifeform: (su foreign ministry also, famously, proclaimed that nixon was to have flown likewise on 007, but warned in advance)

03:05:55 mircea_popescu: the media and ocher institutions

03:05:58 mircea_popescu: does he mean kosher ?

03:07:16 decimation: no I think it's a misspelling for 'other'

03:07:43 decimation: this la times guy thought he was writing a 'takedown'

03:08:09 mircea_popescu: "I hate what Clinton and his gang of anti-gunner, gays and liberals are doing to America,"

03:08:12 mircea_popescu: lol such nonsense.

03:09:55 decimation: ^ that was a juicy line so that the median 'la times reader' would know that these guys were nutso

03:10:52 mircea_popescu: also http://40.media.tumblr.com/1b190c9f68a591ca242959d2c46ab791/tumblr_mgozwrUDxQ1rsn4c6o1_500.jpg

03:10:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N43HKQ )

03:11:49 asciilifeform: ^ l0l! what is happening in the picture ?

03:12:01 mircea_popescu: guy's vacuuming

03:13:45 asciilifeform: but not only?

03:14:09 mircea_popescu: girl's creaming.

03:18:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18245 @ 0.00026901 = 4.9081 BTC [-]

03:23:23 thestringpuller: ad/wind 22

03:26:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5772 @ 0.00027529 = 1.589 BTC [+] {2}

03:46:17 danielpbarron: in the style of an OpenBSD man page, I give you http://danielpbarron.com/deedbot.txt

03:46:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N49srJ )

03:46:47 mircea_popescu: srsly, put it in the wiki

03:47:06 danielpbarron: oh, I think i need an account for that

03:47:16 danielpbarron: who gives those out? kako?

03:47:17 mircea_popescu: ah

03:47:22 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mind making him an acct ?

03:48:38 trinque: danielpbarron: nice!

03:50:27 asciilifeform: http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=35388 << vintage lulz

03:50:28 assbot: What was Peoples Temple’s plan to move to the Soviet Union? ... ( http://bit.ly/19JZXC0 )

03:55:58 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/boost-vc-embraces-child-founded-start-up/

03:58:02 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=965883.msg10573130#msg10573130 << lol.

03:58:03 assbot: [OFFICIAL] █ Bitproof.io █ Say Hello to True Certification in the Blockchain ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4bPLb )

03:58:09 trinque: ^ registering nick

03:58:16 mircea_popescu: o look, here's some innovative stuff i came up with myself by reading fraudsters.

03:58:25 mircea_popescu: (i didn't really understand most of the stuff but whatever)

03:58:37 asciilifeform: it will get $maxint in usg payola.

03:58:51 asciilifeform: there's one 'genius' who will never need his mandatory day job.

04:00:27 danielpbarron: "We bring uniqueness to files that aren't unique." << LOL

04:00:52 danielpbarron: the holy grail of all social media

04:13:46 trinque: ok, that's registered; nobody was responding in #freenode about a mask, so I'll try again later

04:14:00 trinque: doesn't really bother me to not have a mask, as the firewall on the thing doesn't have open ports

04:14:22 trinque: kakobrekla: please autovoice the deedbot- if you wouldn't mind

04:14:27 trinque: !up deedbot-

04:15:11 trinque: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/334J37V.txt

04:15:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4fzwk )

04:15:13 deedbot-: imported: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4

04:15:16 trinque: k, back online

04:15:22 *: trinque goes afk for a bit

04:17:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12471 @ 0.00027531 = 3.4334 BTC [+]

04:30:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00027148 = 4.8731 BTC [-]

04:32:13 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

04:33:33 Vexual: thanks dpb, now even I undertand deedbot

04:37:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51189 @ 0.0002676 = 13.6982 BTC [-] {5}

04:47:56 brendafdez: https://hacked.com/no-browser-secure-major-browsers-hacked-2015-pwn2own-contest/

04:47:57 assbot: No Browser is Secure: All Major Browsers Hacked at 2015 Pwn2Own Contest | Hacked ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHYWEF )

04:48:14 brendafdez: "No browser exploits were successfully demonstrated on Linux or other open-source operating systemsÇ"

04:48:16 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot deedbot-

04:48:16 assbot: deedbot- is not registered in WoT.

04:48:32 mircea_popescu: trinque if you register it in wot, you can just voice it whenever you need manually

04:48:39 mircea_popescu: if it mostly stays on that should be ~never

04:49:06 mircea_popescu: brendafdez somehow the title is "no browser is secure" instead of "use linux. now. everything else is shit"

04:52:12 brendafdez: the press is just as shitty

04:57:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8660 @ 0.00027082 = 2.3453 BTC [+]

05:00:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00028284 = 2.6163 BTC [+]

05:07:47 danielpbarron: http://www.gofundme.com/kandosiijetii << some anon scamming the lgbt community?

05:07:49 assbot: Please help me survive my family by Kandosii Jetii - GoFundMe ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI1nXH )

05:08:15 danielpbarron: My family is unaware that I don't share their religious views, unaware that I am bisexual and that I have friends of all ethnicities, religious views, genders and sexual orientations. If they knew any of this, my life would be at risk.

05:13:42 brendafdez: think of the children

05:22:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00026451 = 1.1771 BTC [-] {2}

05:32:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00026246 = 2.4671 BTC [-]

05:34:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00026246 = 11.5482 BTC [-]

05:48:02 trinque: danielpbarron: so much lol

05:48:33 trinque: weakness has become a social competition of its own

05:49:42 mircea_popescu: if it's a scam it's notbad.jpg

05:49:47 mircea_popescu: exactly the sort of thing.

05:50:19 mircea_popescu: trinque well obviously. once the "to whoever according to his needs" becomes the payoff, needs become competitive.

05:50:56 mircea_popescu: just talk to some supposedly ignorant, unintelligent and unskilled ghetto dwellers on the topic of "getting prescriptions", see knowledge, cleverness and skill unmatched.

05:53:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00026231 = 2.4657 BTC [-] {2}

05:55:41 mircea_popescu: but anyway, teh 100% anal child. "circumstances" forced it to not pay rent, and evil people forced him to make stories for attention about making stories for attention.

05:56:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18859 @ 0.00026471 = 4.9922 BTC [+]

05:58:41 mircea_popescu: lol managed to fail freshman year @ social studies.

05:58:46 mircea_popescu: ahaha great,

06:08:33 ben_vulpes: <decimation> I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants...

06:15:10 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

06:20:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7493 @ 0.00026162 = 1.9603 BTC [-]

06:28:20 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-decreases-for-third-time-this-year/

06:28:47 cazalla: thestringpuller, https://twitter.com/LouisonDumont/status/579872885524705280

06:28:48 assbot: I created Bitproof because my mother thinks GPG is a supermarket. RT /qntra: Boost VC Embraces Child Founded Start Up http://t.co/FAWTczzi0o

06:30:08 mircea_popescu: omfg... at first i thought it's someone mocking the guy.

06:30:13 mircea_popescu: then it turns out... self-parody.

06:30:19 mircea_popescu: event lulzizon!

06:31:22 ben_vulpes: complete with "my mom" jokes...

06:32:16 mircea_popescu: at least it's not, you know, "urmom"

07:03:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00025242 = 3.7358 BTC [-]

07:10:13 thestringpuller: cazalla: LOLOLOLOL

07:10:21 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-anal-child/

07:17:17 brendafdez: There's no point reeducating it, because anyway...

07:19:05 BingoBoingo: related http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/03/recto-retriever-approved/

07:19:06 assbot: Recto-Retriever Approved for Personal Use | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJFS9f )

07:19:11 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

07:19:36 Vexual: oh hai

07:19:49 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmduDP-JNLQ

07:21:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00025242 = 4.4981 BTC [-]

07:25:39 Vexual: you can describe all kinda nal sex, but unless you really mean it, it dont mean shit\

07:28:27 mircea_popescu: brendafdez lol sec.

07:31:17 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Jv9fNPjgk

07:32:26 mircea_popescu: brendafdez care to expound ?

07:34:56 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiAQ9xQQHeQ

07:39:54 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKpd2Bua3Ug

07:44:03 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGgm3GB75c0

07:44:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8777 @ 0.00025305 = 2.221 BTC [+]

07:46:28 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouanlAQ-QXg

07:48:26 brendafdez: mircea_popescu expound? I could go on, but anyway... https://youtu.be/NuPolrd9yuo?t=1m35s

07:48:28 assbot: IT Crowd Jen Interview - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpMHlv )

07:48:28 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMXhNoyEtg previous was a a fuckup

07:49:10 trinque: +mircea_popescu | trinque well obviously. once the "to whoever according to his needs" becomes the payoff, needs become competitive. << holy fuck, does this social phenomenon fill me with bile

07:49:24 mircea_popescu: why /

07:49:29 trinque: people like to talk about how ignorant and backwards texas is

07:49:34 mircea_popescu: (but i am writing something for your, and others', bile)

07:49:34 trinque: (where I grew up)

07:49:39 trinque: it does not have this

07:51:08 trinque: only state where secession is still pleasant conversation

07:51:11 trinque: fuck I miss it.

07:51:13 trinque: < is drunk

07:51:56 trinque: !up Vexual

07:53:12 trinque: mircea_popescu: why? because it feels like admitting suicide is the only option, but being too cowardly to pull the trigger.

07:53:27 trinque: god damn it I was born to live.

07:53:29 mircea_popescu: nonsense.

07:54:40 trinque: nothing would fill me with greater joy than seeing a place like texas thrive while the rest of the insane federal system rots

07:55:25 trinque: let them pay for the padded walls to protect the fractured psyches of socialist paradise

07:55:34 trinque: ben_vulpes: I might move back

07:55:39 trinque: can't fucking stand the pacific nw

07:55:57 trinque: all my money's coming from tejas; there's a reason for that

07:56:30 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vEntK3fwp8

07:57:17 trinque: the thing people don't understand when they look at people like ted cruz.. the goddamn texas legislature meets every two years

07:57:24 trinque: the whole govt's set up to get as little done as possible

07:57:30 trinque: as it fucking should be

07:58:00 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/game-theoretic-game-theory/ << there you go t man.

07:58:01 assbot: Game theoretic game theory pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpOs2g )

08:00:41 Vexual: game is life

08:01:30 brendafdez: mircea_popescu I never mentioned it bc I felt very flattered that you added the password input field in the "Paid Content" notice at my request, but seems weird to me that after inputting password it takes you to the homepage. Expected behavior to me would be reloading the page, to see the article one intended to read in the first place. Otherwise one valuable credit goes to waste by loading an unwanted article ;)

08:02:30 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XklVahMDm1A

08:02:43 mircea_popescu: ha! not a bad idea.

08:02:49 trinque: mircea_popescu: this is the thing; I will never accept death

08:03:01 trinque: "how is this possible!"

08:03:03 trinque: fuck this

08:03:07 trinque: it's as mine as it is some other fuck's

08:03:15 trinque: I really should head back to texas

08:03:34 trinque: I left because what, the weather's not as agreeable as I'd like?

08:03:54 trinque: that state loves capitalism above all else, and it's fucking good at it

08:04:10 trinque: the christians aside; hell danielpbarron has made me hate them less

08:04:18 mircea_popescu: lmao.

08:04:27 mircea_popescu: funny how that works huh.

08:04:48 trinque: mircea_popescu: they at least have a semi-coherent set of symbols to reason with!

08:04:53 trinque: what the fuck is this in the pac NW

08:04:57 mircea_popescu: turns out you weren't actually hating "the christians", but merely grew up in a restrictive environment where you could never talk to one.

08:05:03 trinque: victimhood competition and women rule all

08:05:13 mircea_popescu: which is kinda how the thing works.

08:05:16 trinque: mircea_popescu: I think you're right about that.

08:05:30 trinque: I was raised christian, reacted against the restrictiveness of that

08:05:38 trinque: but having something that says "there is objective truth"

08:05:45 trinque: yeah I'll take that over this nonsense any day

08:05:55 trinque: it's a fucking starting point

08:06:07 Vexual: WHOTS NOT?

08:06:25 Vexual: acidengtal capas

08:06:28 trinque: lol

08:07:35 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10lpglxnM0I

08:08:19 Vexual: who knew aregenrti had a luna park?

08:08:45 Vexual: did they meann kunar?

08:08:50 Vexual: *lunar?\

08:09:25 Vexual: prolly is as it was

08:10:47 Vexual: samba weed

08:13:42 Vexual: this is whhen fluffy pony should describe something useful about that other ocean, approachin brazil

08:14:09 Vexual: cat ne'r leaves his villiages

08:14:52 brendafdez: I was also raised Christian. Was horrible. Care to help? Even 1 cent you could spare helps me forget the terrible thing 14EVtRAFWTcDutoeHBLPjLewfMxGgPHcLv

08:15:48 brendafdez: Otherwise I might have to go back to church. Don't force it upon me by not donating.

08:16:29 Vexual: nah you can tell me, i you know

08:16:59 Vexual: i resepect the sisters costyume

08:18:41 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/game-theoretic-game-theory/

08:19:03 Vexual: or not, named brenda, you mihght have samw werk

08:19:12 mircea_popescu: Vexual it's just what they call their madison square garden

08:19:32 Vexual: dta sa ny things?

08:21:13 Vexual: ney york city, i dont get ity

08:25:44 BingoBoingo: Oh, things get interesting https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998257.0

08:25:44 assbot: Gerald Davis aka DeathAndTaxes of BitSimple and Tangible Cryptography ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpTBHF )

08:26:01 BingoBoingo: ^ Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Trading Discussion > Scam Accusations (Moderator: Cyrus) > Gerald Davis aka DeathAndTaxes of BitSimple and Tangible Cryptography

08:26:57 brendafdez: Vexual in a way it does refer to the moon. From derpipedia: Luna Park is a name shared by dozens of currently operating and defunct amusement parks that have opened on every continent except Antarctica since 1903.

08:26:57 brendafdez: History

08:26:57 brendafdez: The first park to use the name was Coney Island's second major amusement park, designed by Frederic Thompson and Elmer "Skip" Dundy and opened in 1903. They named the park after the spaceship in their Pan-American Exposition ride "A Trip to the Moon".[1][2]

08:27:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo heh, check that out.

08:28:12 mircea_popescu: you gonna qntra it ?

08:28:13 brendafdez: Apparently the father of one of the founders of this space operated one such "Luna Park" in the early 20th century. And they picked the same name for the stadium.

08:28:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Need to source it better, but I'm going to pursue it.

08:29:02 mircea_popescu: if the guy wants to interview...

08:30:31 mircea_popescu: "I have no idea what he's been doing for a living in the years elapsed since then - if anything, then definitely not anything related to Bitcoin as a free entreprise. Maybe he's working a garden or teaching yoga. Maybe he's earning his living as a Bitcoin expert in the pay of those who do not wish to see Bitcoin free entreprise generally, and certainly not to the degree displayed by the free world. Whichever of these i

08:30:32 mircea_popescu: t is, he's free to enlighten the world - I am curious like anyone's curious. What he can't do is pretend like "it doesn't matter". It does."

08:30:36 mircea_popescu: i guess we got our answer huh.

08:34:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24579 @ 0.00025294 = 6.217 BTC [-] {2}

08:35:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14648 @ 0.000251 = 3.6766 BTC [-]

08:38:10 BingoBoingo: Also a different flavor of forum lol. Throwing money and hardware at a question learning can solve https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736607.msg8324168#msg8324168

08:38:10 assbot: Check Balance of Multiple Bitcoin Addresses ( Non py, Non Linux ) ... ( http://bit.ly/19eDwUc )

08:38:46 mircea_popescu: "The goal or problem is checking the balance of a ton of addresses without having to import them with keys without having to run a linux machine, without having to run anything in python, just plain and simple copy a list of addresses"

08:38:48 mircea_popescu: lol ok.

08:38:53 mircea_popescu: maybe he should put them in excel.

08:40:04 BingoBoingo: Seriously makes "home brew semi-supercomputer with 128 gig ECC ram and 10 quad core intel processors with haswell architecture." Yet wants to avoid anything linux, python, or otherwise not MS Excel

08:42:26 mircea_popescu: gmaxwell owns him downstream.

08:43:40 BingoBoingo: Yeah

08:44:47 mircea_popescu: "Incidentally, the private key of the first address in your list is 5HpHagT65TZzG1PH3CSu63k8DbpvD8s5ip4nEB3kEtHwQJ6fmT7"

08:44:57 mircea_popescu: ahem ? and it still has a 22 cent balance ?

08:45:02 BingoBoingo: lol

08:46:49 mircea_popescu: ah i was looking at the wrong list.

08:53:01 trinque: holy fuck are american women cunts

08:53:20 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/f54460da0cbc358c33a1304125119cb4/tumblr_mmwqr9Y3Ty1rsze6qo1_1280.jpg << the birth of an idea

08:53:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpYnoB )

08:53:46 trinque: I said Lena Dunham should be burned alive and my erstwhile significant other had a meltdown

08:53:48 trinque: lol

08:53:57 mircea_popescu: who's that ?

08:54:00 trinque: hell I'm not saying I'm going to burn her alive

08:54:08 trinque: mircea_popescu: the writer for the HBO series "Girls"

08:54:18 mircea_popescu: what's that ?

08:54:24 mircea_popescu: (sorry)

08:54:28 trinque: think cunty new york "you don't understand my complex problems"

08:54:40 trinque: holy fuck I shall lay waste to everything in a five mile radius

08:55:25 mircea_popescu: like sex and the city with better horseface ?

08:55:54 trinque: yeah, more nudity and fucking, but even more american dysfunctional nerfed psychopathy

08:55:57 mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/d2b38d579244e0533bec003e5b3e7216/tumblr_mlvaa2QxTB1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg << this should probably be a show, incidentally.

08:55:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpYWyx )

08:56:21 trinque: mircea_popescu: the xx beg to be shown the line, invoke the protection of the state in the same breath

08:56:23 trinque: fuck all this shit

08:56:42 mircea_popescu: lol why are you so angry anyway.

08:57:25 trinque: because the part of me that stopped identifying with this place in the first person singular hasn't had enough of a conversation with the second and third person

08:57:27 trinque: I have no fucking idea.

08:57:32 mircea_popescu: lol.

08:57:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21033 @ 0.00025758 = 5.4177 BTC [+] {2}

08:59:25 mircea_popescu: wow check that out, 25s.

08:59:48 trinque: this is when ya go elsewhere, eh?

09:00:33 mircea_popescu: hm ?

09:01:00 trinque: it is not happenstance that this cunt is attacking me the week before I increase my income by 20x

09:01:27 trinque: it makes no goddamn sense and all the sense in the world simultaneously

09:02:22 trinque: flatland logic

09:02:42 *: trinque switches wifi orifices

09:09:04 mircea_popescu: wouldja simmer down lol. who's attacking you

09:09:23 mircea_popescu: speaking of attax, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0bb8d587a7107cf506d209ecf0ea6e09/tumblr_mhabghhDSP1qjv9ywo1_1280.jpg

09:09:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oq1jS4 )

09:10:13 trinque: mircea_popescu: my business pays this unemployed cunt's rent.

09:10:24 mircea_popescu: is this like, a domestic dispute ?

09:10:41 trinque: insofar as anyone on this continent knows what domesticity is

09:11:07 mircea_popescu: lol people arguing over bad tv shows. cmon.

09:11:30 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in france, http://40.media.tumblr.com/82ebdbbc01f1cf75b1362ddef04580fd/tumblr_mngsnbIuqw1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg

09:11:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xTyUJI )

09:11:38 trinque: spent five years getting this thing profitable.

09:11:45 mircea_popescu: (really it's socal, but who's cuntin)

09:11:55 trinque: I have a CMS for making restaurant ordering web-apps

09:11:56 mircea_popescu: ok, so what's teh prblm ?

09:17:16 trinque: mircea_popescu: the dysfunction here is that male-female relationship here is taught as parternship

09:17:23 trinque: what a load of shit

09:17:34 mircea_popescu: it can be, why not.

09:17:36 trinque: this girl is utterly intimidated by the fact that I might actually be holding some real money in my hands

09:17:45 trinque: the idea of it in the future was fine

09:18:02 trinque: yet the cultural context causes her to barge into places she does not belong

09:18:05 mircea_popescu: haha, well, ranting angrily at her won't likely de-intimidate will it ?

09:18:57 trinque: problem is I've been with women that *adored* the rants

09:19:03 trinque: it's not as if I grabbed her and shook

09:19:05 mircea_popescu: anyway. if you don't like her, get rid of her. if you like her, talk to her. that'll either sort out whatever or else make you not like her.

09:19:06 trinque: I was talking about the future

09:19:25 mircea_popescu: foolproof plan.

09:19:39 trinque: let me just say the well is dry, and I'll stop bitching into the public record :D

09:19:55 mircea_popescu: not like it ever did anything anyway.

09:20:26 trinque: I get angry at our vulgarity

09:20:53 mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?!

09:21:20 trinque: this imaginary line I'm stuck within

09:23:34 mircea_popescu: !up winner1

09:24:34 winner1: hello, I won a bet, but I have not been paid.

09:24:42 mircea_popescu: link ?

09:25:04 winner1: The bet was resolved 5 days ago.

09:25:12 winner1: https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/

09:25:13 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 month 6 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1CtSH6l )

09:25:22 mircea_popescu: you can link to bets directly, it's on the date in front of them

09:25:39 mircea_popescu: like https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#b3

09:25:40 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 month 6 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oq4F7w )

09:26:06 winner1: yes, here is the link: https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#b228

09:26:07 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 month 6 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oq4Kbl )

09:26:37 mircea_popescu: o.O

09:26:42 trinque: mircea_popescu: it's that the inmates collude with the prison guards. obviously I should just let that fact go

09:26:55 trinque: I don't tend to that naturally

09:27:55 mircea_popescu: winner1 thanks for pointing this out, it's suspicious as fuck. dunno what happened there yet but will look into it.

09:29:15 winner1: Yes, thank you for your quick response. I think I am the only one left. I bet 3 times in this bet. I got paid in two, But I did not get paid in this one.

09:29:59 mircea_popescu: it's either a txn that for mysterious reasons din't get to propagate or i can't imagine what else. anyway, i'm on it, give it a day.

09:30:51 winner1: Ok, thank you very much. I was getting nervous, since I saw everyone getting paid, but me.

09:34:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0002563 = 3.4857 BTC [+]

09:39:24 cazalla: trinque, pro tip for free - don't get her pregnant

09:41:32 trinque: cazalla: haven't, wont, and I'm out!

09:41:42 *: trinque passes out

09:45:50 punkman: catfight! http://i.imgur.com/KQFONlD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YP1Dcmk.jpg

09:45:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5gOLF )

09:45:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5gRas )

09:49:18 punkman: so apparently in UK, airmail means two weeks by truck, and overnight express, means 6+ days.

09:57:38 brendafdez: punkman still better than AR...

10:01:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re earlier thread, check this out : http://fraudsters.com/2015/game-theoretic-game-theory/#comment-113249

10:01:20 assbot: Game theoretic game theory pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5jFo3 )

10:01:44 mircea_popescu: "1,3mn euros confiscated - guy couldn't show where he got it"

10:01:49 mircea_popescu: it's not just random picassos.

10:03:20 brendafdez: punkman I've had all kind of bad experiences with the post, from them stealing from a box of alfajores I was shipping abroad, to them refusing to send a letter (even though it was within weight and size limits) because "there was an object inside" (!!). Long delays is the success scenario.

10:04:31 mircea_popescu: or just cross the river and send from there.

10:05:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12275 @ 0.0002563 = 3.1461 BTC [+]

10:05:08 punkman: brendafdez: I don't mind China Post taking 4 weeks, because they don't pretend otherwise

10:06:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo check it out, halep won indian wells

10:06:06 brendafdez: yes, but sometimes it's not worth it. Having to cross the river to send a letter with "an object inside" to a recepient in Argentina would be hilarious. That time they insisted letters were paper only. :D

10:09:09 punkman: ssbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0002563 = 3.4857 BTC [+] << all-time lows?

10:09:21 mircea_popescu: well not all time, but long time fo sho

10:09:33 brendafdez: punkman back in the days when we still didn't have to go through this amount of bureaucratic shit to receive shipments from abroad, and when I was doing it very often, the ones from the UK used to be the fastest. I'm surprised that your experience with the RM has been bad.

10:10:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, speaking of having problems, viktor Ianukovici jr died yest.

10:12:01 punkman: mircea_popescu: I don't see anything lower at btcalpha

10:12:02 mircea_popescu: after peklusenko's "suicide"...

10:12:08 mircea_popescu: punkman lemme see here.

10:12:59 mircea_popescu: May 22 04:06:33 <`MBot> [ MPEX ] [ TRADE ] [ S.MPOE ] [ 150 @ 0.00021419BTC = 0.032128 BTC ]

10:13:40 brendafdez: Oh, suicides are also common over there? :P

10:14:06 punkman: mircea_popescu: oic, btcalpha only goes back to Oct 2012

10:14:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27648 @ 0.00024773 = 6.8492 BTC [-]

10:14:20 punkman: guessing that's May 2012

10:14:22 mircea_popescu: basically 2012 level

10:14:25 mircea_popescu: yea

10:23:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8094 @ 0.00024773 = 2.0051 BTC [-]

10:36:36 mircea_popescu: !up drawingthesun

10:55:24 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell brendafdez it should redirect you properly now

10:55:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:02:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00025755 = 3.992 BTC [+] {2}

11:12:13 davout: trinque: just wanted to see who'd actually read the deeds :)

11:29:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16979 @ 0.00025872 = 4.3928 BTC [+] {2}

11:30:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18498 @ 0.00026157 = 4.8385 BTC [+] {2}

11:46:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00026196 = 7.623 BTC [+] {2}

11:58:16 danielpbarron: height=293178 vs height=215096

11:58:26 mircea_popescu: almost there.

11:59:55 danielpbarron: 21G .bitcoin/ << unless takes up less space, this is a little over half way

12:08:11 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

12:08:14 gribble: Current Blocks: 348835 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1948 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43599364024.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.67455

12:08:22 mircea_popescu: hory shit you're right.

12:08:33 mircea_popescu: past 10% of blocks, 50% of total disk space.

12:10:23 Adlai: must be the hostile ddos bot

12:11:35 mircea_popescu: http://www.hanewin.net/encrypt/PGencode.htm << this is pretty interesting

12:11:36 assbot: OpenPGP Message Encryption in JavaScript Demo ... ( http://bit.ly/1xcON2S )

12:12:20 Adlai: bitproof has an interface for 'signing' using the mouse

12:12:32 *: Adlai always found those somewhere between amusing and horrifying

12:13:48 mircea_popescu: no no this is smart : it encrypts to YOUR key.

12:14:24 mircea_popescu: as in, random derp w/o gpg installed wants to send mp stuff encrypted to mp's key, there's page on mp's site with javascript

12:20:40 punkman: the problem is how do you communicate to derps that they should use actual PGP for the "important" stuff

12:21:17 mircea_popescu: "Networking Software for Windows" you know ?

12:21:27 mircea_popescu: i suppose the communication starts with "gtfo off windoze"

12:21:50 *: Adlai only refers people to hanewin after explaining that they're just trusting some random site, instead of google or facebook

12:22:01 Adlai: but many people prefer trusting random strangers over known evils

12:22:27 mircea_popescu: technically, it's js, so they're not trusting the site.

12:22:54 punkman: if they have to mitm the javascript, sure that does raise the cost, but is it worth the false sense of security

12:22:57 Adlai: you could probably give this audience an identical security theater with js that sends plaintext

12:24:09 Adlai: speaking of encryption: https://blog.bitproof.io/we-3-encryption/

12:24:10 assbot: We <3 encryption ... ( http://bit.ly/1xcPiKf )

12:25:05 mircea_popescu: punkman probably cheapest approach to diddle the js to encrypt to two keys. transparent enough to do, and then get somewhere else the msg.

12:25:20 mircea_popescu: still, more pgp flowing through the tubes is a net gain

12:25:48 mircea_popescu: anyway, i didn't know about it b4.

12:25:51 punkman: on that note, Enigmail has warning message that they will only support gpg2 soon

12:26:17 Adlai: a few darknet markets have used such a system too, which raises the question of why anyderpy used any of the markets that didn't

12:26:29 punkman: mircea_popescu: we've linked to gpg JS implementations so many times, I thought this use case was obvious

12:27:02 Adlai: !s hanewin.net

12:27:03 assbot: 0 results for 'hanewin.net' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hanewin.net

12:27:08 Adlai: !s www.hanewin.net

12:27:09 assbot: 0 results for 'www.hanewin.net' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=www.hanewin.net

12:27:30 Adlai: !s *hanewin.net*

12:27:30 assbot: : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%2Ahanewin.net%2A

12:27:33 mircea_popescu: punkman theoretically. i just had nfi anyone had actually done it.

12:27:51 Adlai: !s http://www.hanewin.net*

12:27:52 assbot: 0 results for 'http://www.hanewin.net*' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hanewin.net%2A

12:27:55 Adlai: blargh

12:28:20 punkman: there's also a bunch of these https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp2pgpmail/

12:28:22 assbot: WordPress › wp2pgpmail « WordPress Plugins ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjT8SX )

12:28:26 mircea_popescu: on that note, you can't say enigmail without nig mail.

12:28:48 Adlai: and "gpg" doesn't actually contain "privacy"

12:28:56 Adlai: but it makes gnu feel pretty good

12:29:14 mircea_popescu: "Do have any PGP key? Try our online PGP key generator"

12:29:17 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha okay.

12:29:22 mircea_popescu: listen, this wp stuff is braindamaged.

12:29:48 Adlai: it's ok, just download this chrome extension that validates our javascript!

12:29:53 punkman: myeah I've had too much of that WP spaghetti

12:30:01 punkman: no more

12:30:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, the wp stuff is more of what i thought we had discussed many times.

12:32:29 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01wQa0ctK-Y

12:32:30 assbot: The Bryan Ferry Orchestra - Reason or Rhyme [1920s Jazz Version] (2012) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xcPGby )

12:33:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00026084 = 1.7346 BTC [-]

12:52:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5971 @ 0.00026084 = 1.5575 BTC [-]

12:56:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00025653 = 1.5648 BTC [-]

13:05:31 danielpbarron: not the most scientific experiment as I didn't start them at the same place or same time, but it might be worth noting that the debug.log for the solid state drive pogo is smaller than the other one

13:05:52 danielpbarron: despite validating many more blocks per day

13:06:15 danielpbarron: the slower node spams its debug.log with lines that have nothing to do with validating a block

13:12:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15832 @ 0.00026072 = 4.1277 BTC [+] {2}

13:19:21 jurov: http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one

13:19:22 assbot: Mars One Finalist Announces That It's All A Scam | IFLScience ... ( http://bit.ly/19KIucz )

13:31:12 nubbins`: <trinque> increase my income by 20x, girl is utterly intimidated, <<< i have to ask, are you quitting your job in order to sell CMS software to restaurants?

13:31:45 nubbins`: please tell me that this isn't the case, and if it is, please tell me that you're not just upset at your girlfriend because she called you a moron for making this decision

13:31:52 nubbins`: BECAUSE.....

13:32:08 nubbins`: (cough)

13:32:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13647 @ 0.00025502 = 3.4803 BTC [-]

13:37:09 *: Adlai back when he worked in a preseed startup used to joke that he got a 20x raise each week and a 25% monthly bonus

13:37:17 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/patrick-brazeau-s-sexual-assault-trial-starts-today-1.3003608

13:37:18 assbot: Patrick Brazeau's sexual assault trial starts today - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/19KKnWH )

13:37:42 nubbins`: Adlai "20x raise" generally makes people VERY suspicious as to the absolute value of your starting salary

13:38:27 Adlai: cf 'free advice is worth what you paid for it'

13:38:47 Adlai: some would maintain that it's infinitely more valuable than its price

13:40:45 nubbins`: or undefined more valuable

13:40:52 nubbins`: depending on how you math

13:44:09 brendafdez: "The gold market marched into the 21st century [...] me banks reluctant to participate" http://www.wsj.com/articles/gold-market-launches-electronic-pricing-mechanism-1426874345

13:44:11 assbot: Gold Market Launches Electronic Pricing Mechanism - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1ECmyrN )

13:45:09 nubbins`: (given that free advice can only cost $0, the set of possible costs for said free advice is a zero ring, which precludes the set from being a field, which means that division by zero is not required to be undefined, which means that your assertion that it's infinitely more valuable is, at least superficially, true)

13:45:13 *: nubbins` coughs, blinks

13:45:17 nubbins`: i mean, uh.

13:45:39 nubbins`: i left that life behind me long ago and i don't know what just happened

13:45:41 Adlai: yeah bro

13:46:04 nubbins`: s/true/possible/

13:46:12 Adlai: what about f/ladvice

13:47:22 nubbins`: wat

13:47:53 Adlai: cf f/loss

13:48:01 Adlai: cf gnu plus linux

13:48:05 Adlai: etc

13:48:12 *: Adlai babbles

13:50:27 nubbins`: :0

13:52:06 nubbins`: http://www.coindesk.com/changetip-integrates-with-online-comment-hosting-service-disqus/

13:52:07 assbot: ChangeTip Integrates With Online Comment Hosting Service Disqus ... ( http://bit.ly/1ECndJM )

13:54:55 nubbins`: tangentially, i wonder if someone who chose to name their company "Eris Industries" ever used IRC in the 90s.

13:55:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5640 @ 0.00025956 = 1.4639 BTC [+] {2}

14:14:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14503 @ 0.00026072 = 3.7812 BTC [+]

14:21:16 bitstein: Is there a reason WoT ratings are not required to be GPG signed?

14:21:29 Adlai: sloth

14:21:42 thestringpuller: cause you are authenticating with a GPG interface

14:21:46 thestringpuller: albeit over IRC

14:22:22 Adlai: and then trusting that assbot/gribble is requiring the same of everybody else

14:22:39 thestringpuller: bitstein: I do think nanotube 's federated WoT requires GPG signature for ratings.

14:22:40 Adlai: and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby

14:22:44 bitstein: That just allows the server to know it is talking to who it thinks it is talking to, but it doesn't guarantee the server hasn't fabricated data.

14:23:25 thestringpuller: bitstein: yes we know there isn't a federated system yet :P

14:23:42 Adlai: bitstein: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014153

14:23:42 assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 01:46:55; nanotube: <nanotube> hey, sorry for delay in reply, been busy, still busy. just to give you a quick preview, i'm thinking/working on implementing everything-signed, using a framework sort of like this: http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/rate.php

14:23:58 bitstein: Adlai, thanks, was looking for that.

14:24:18 Pierre_Rochard: ^ looking forward to that

14:24:21 bitstein: Sweet, I look forward to that.

14:25:35 thestringpuller: its up to kako if he wants to support it with asswot

14:25:59 thestringpuller: if not you'll have to just access asswot-db through irc

14:28:27 nubbins`: <+Adlai> and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby <<< vs trusting that their pgp implementation doesn't cache their passphrase 8)

14:29:15 Adlai: vs trusting that their fourthhand lemon laptop didn't get interceptiddled in the mail

14:29:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00025502 = 5.0111 BTC [-]

14:30:29 nubbins`: haha

14:31:16 nubbins`: no, that doesn't happen anymore since cisco started drop-shipping to abandoned houses

14:31:20 nubbins`: ;p

14:32:02 nubbins`: because the NSA sort room at the mail facility is scanning the send address instead of the return address, or something.

14:36:23 thestringpuller: its up to kako if he wants to support it with asswot

14:36:24 thestringpuller: ~

14:37:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6072 @ 0.00025502 = 1.5485 BTC [-]

14:37:59 thestringpuller: nubbins`: doesn't cache their passphrase << i change my passphrase every time I use my key. /tinfoil hat

14:39:52 funkenstein_: new kunstler out: http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/kicked-to-the-curb/

14:39:53 assbot: Kicked to the Curb | KUNSTLER ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsDebc )

14:41:11 nubbins`: thestringpuller i know, the keylogger sees all

14:41:17 nubbins`: i mean.

14:41:20 nubbins`: orly?

14:44:59 funkenstein_: "The gold market marched into the 21st century Friday with the launch of a new electronic platform designed to make the daily market price benchmark less vulnerable to manipulation."

14:45:54 funkenstein_: that's right "the gold market" is a single entity which works towards being "less manipulated".

14:47:03 nubbins`: good for it!

14:53:16 funkenstein_: maybe gold is kind of like btc in 2010 when there was "the bitcoin market" aka gox

14:54:39 thestringpuller: Gold is so hard to move.

14:55:16 nubbins`: ^

14:55:31 funkenstein_: true and hard to assay

14:55:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9281 @ 0.00025621 = 2.3779 BTC [+] {2}

14:57:28 funkenstein_: coinabul is still up if you feel like being defrauded

14:58:46 nubbins`: plenty of places to buy gold w/ btc

14:58:53 nubbins`: silvergoldbull, amagi, quadrigacx...

14:59:13 funkenstein_: coinabul doesn't acutally ship anything though

14:59:35 nubbins`: o

14:59:53 funkenstein_: not that I expect the other ones too, but just happened to read through some of the coinabul complaint threads

15:00:11 nubbins`: shrug

15:00:32 nubbins`: have bought Au from a couple of the above

15:00:38 funkenstein_: escrow is a thing

15:01:00 funkenstein_: i heard amagi shipped at least sometimes

15:01:15 nubbins`: i've ordered from them 2 or 3 times

15:02:19 nubbins`: these days, you don't get to see the BTC price (and thus the exchange rate) until the last step in the checkout process

15:02:21 nubbins`: which is meh

15:03:08 nubbins`: incidentally, i tried to sell some gold on the forums a while back, no takers

15:03:10 nubbins`: shrug

15:03:13 danielpbarron: bitstein, thestringpuller why should we be signing everything but the kitchen sink? you shouldn't use assbot's return as gospel -- the WoT lets you know who and what to ask about a person before doing business

15:03:30 danielpbarron: if a rating is false, let the user speak up about it

15:04:53 bitstein: danielpbarron: why aren't you signing the kitchen sink?

15:05:34 danielpbarron: see also: ascii_field

15:06:06 kakobrekla: http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/03/images-fool-computer-vision-raise-security-concerns

15:06:07 assbot: Images that fool computer vision raise security concerns | Cornell Chronicle ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsNCjh )

15:07:09 Adlai: this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed, this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at the latest version of the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving trust-minimized consensus...

15:08:21 danielpbarron: fiddle with it too much and you'll end up like the "smart contracts" people

15:09:35 asciilifeform: trinque: (re: earlier thread) why would the woman object to your having money? or was it that you earned it 'sinfully' ?

15:10:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00026011 = 3.5115 BTC [+] {2}

15:10:02 Adlai: doesn't need much fiddling, just checksum the federated database into a deed

15:11:00 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: recall my fpga story at conf. II ? same idea

15:11:08 Adlai: and to prevent withholding, no news is also news

15:11:10 asciilifeform: (re: 'images that fool computer vision')

15:11:27 asciilifeform: '?We realized that the neural nets did not encode knowledge necessary to produce an image of a fire truck, only the knowledge necessary to tell fire trucks apart from other classes,? he explained.' << no shit

15:12:09 asciilifeform: 'If a new image was identified as a particular class with more certainty than the original, the researchers would discard the old version and continue to mutate the new one. Eventually this produced images that were recognized by the DNN with over 99 percent confidence but were not recognizable to human vision.' << i though everybody's tried this as a student. works great

15:12:40 punkman: W.Gibson has a fun bit about "the ugliest shirt in the world" which allows the wearer to not be recognized by CV systems

15:12:41 Adlai: https://xkcd.com/1425/

15:12:42 assbot: xkcd: Tasks ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkvNAG )

15:13:02 asciilifeform: punkman: that almost happened in life!

15:13:04 asciilifeform: !s eurion

15:13:05 assbot: 0 results for 'eurion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eurion

15:13:21 asciilifeform: https://web.duke.edu/isis/gessler/collections/steg-eurion-constellation.htm

15:13:22 assbot: Steganography - EURion Constellation ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkvWUJ )

15:13:48 asciilifeform: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sjm217/projects/currency << more pertinent

15:13:49 assbot: Software Detection of Currency :: Projects :: Steven J. Murdoch ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ikw2vA )

15:14:41 asciilifeform: and also, 'Both PSP and Photoshop identify this image (from an Adobe Forum discussion) as being currency and refuse to open it, despite there being no instance of the Eurion constellation...' << 'eurion' is only the -publicly known- trick of this variety. no one knows how many other boobytraps lurk in idiot closed-source image processors

15:14:52 asciilifeform: we had a thread in #b-a about this, i'm quite certain

15:15:07 asciilifeform: but it is very much gibson's 'ugly shirt.'

15:16:06 punkman: there was also some guy with an anti-CV face makeup art project

15:16:17 Adlai: they're all using the same constellation? -_-

15:16:50 asciilifeform: Adlai: no. see 2nd link.

15:16:54 punkman: interesting that UK adopted EURion for GBP

15:17:08 asciilifeform: 'eurion' is just one of the unknown number of traps

15:17:35 asciilifeform: which, in turn, only work because of 'voluntary' collusion with adobe (photoshit) and printer makers

15:17:53 asciilifeform: yes, same printer makers as had the yellow microdots

15:18:00 asciilifeform: (serial number of printer on every page)

15:18:04 asciilifeform: 'for your own good' of course

15:18:20 asciilifeform: http://seeingyellow.com

15:18:21 assbot: Seeing Yellow ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsTf14 )

15:18:21 punkman: I've been wondering how I'd go about finding a non-shit printer

15:18:52 asciilifeform: 'Most color laser printers made and sold today intentionally add invisible information to make it easier to determine where (and when) a particular document was printed. This seems to have been done as part of a secret deal between the United States Secret Service and the individual manufacturers. Some of the manufacturers have mentioned the existence of the tracking information in their documentation, and others haven't. None

15:18:52 asciilifeform: of them have explained exactly how it works or what information is conveyed. No law requires printer companies to help track printer users this way, and no law prevents them from stopping this practice or giving customers a solution to avoid being tracked.'

15:19:00 asciilifeform: ^ for anyone who was sleeping in a cave for the past decade

15:24:49 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is why you have nubbins` screen print your ransome notes on some high class paper

15:25:40 nubbins`: ^ this *is* true

15:27:51 danielpbarron: well the illegal image opens fine in GIMP

15:28:14 nubbins`: ^ this is also true

15:28:20 nubbins`: FWIW i think it's only laser printers that do this

15:28:29 nubbins`: i know for a fact that my wide-format Epson doesn't

15:28:39 nubbins`: (how? because the yellow tank contains black ink!)

15:28:43 danielpbarron: would be quite funny if they put the detection algorithm into an open source image manipulator

15:29:26 nubbins`: fwiw the detection algo would be impossibly easy to replicate

15:29:37 nubbins`: since we know the shape of the constellation :D

15:29:55 danielpbarron: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sjm217/projects/currency/min.png <- oh do you?

15:29:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsXF7W )

15:30:22 nubbins`: what am i looking at

15:30:30 danielpbarron: "currency"

15:31:39 nubbins`: oh n/m

15:31:43 nubbins`: well then!

15:33:38 danielpbarron: It has been reported that generating a false negative is easy, perhaps as simple as using images of two notes, side-by-side, rather than just one. << LOL

15:35:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00025454 = 1.3236 BTC [-]

15:41:13 trinque: nubbins`: no, this is in reference to my startup of 5 years which has actual revenue

15:41:31 trinque: asciilifeform: making money sinfully, yes

15:41:49 trinque: anyhow, clarity of the morning is; I'm through with her

15:42:20 trinque: when I start refining human flesh into foodstuffs we can talk about sinfully earned money

15:44:20 funkenstein_: sounds more economic than cremation

15:44:51 funkenstein_: "methodical illusions" <-- looks like an interesting read

15:47:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00026198 = 1.5588 BTC [+]

15:52:17 fluffypony: http://www.businessinsider.com/25-most-exciting-bitcoin-startups-in-the-world-ethereum-21-coinbase-coindesk-2015-3?op=1

15:52:18 assbot: The 25 most exciting bitcoin startups in the world - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/19fkZr5 )

15:52:19 fluffypony: cringeworthy

15:52:28 fluffypony: "20. Ripple: Fixing the flaws in bitcoin"

15:53:12 fluffypony: the 20th most exciting Bitcoin startup is something trying to replace Bitcoin with a massively centralised system?

15:53:13 fluffypony: well ok then

15:54:39 fluffypony: oh and there we go, Ethereum at number 2

15:56:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00025858 = 1.2929 BTC [-]

16:00:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6966 @ 0.00025858 = 1.8013 BTC [-]

16:01:02 danielpbarron: what is #1? the federal reserve?

16:01:37 funkenstein_: "21 What is 21? Outside of a chosen few, no one knows for sure" <-- number one

16:02:47 danielpbarron: 16. Circle: Taking the bitcoin out of bitcoin << certainly a theme here

16:03:00 danielpbarron: i see btcjam made the list

16:04:07 Adlai: the excitingness of "21" is bounded only by the imagination of the ignorant

16:04:34 danielpbarron: oh ethereum shares the #2 spot with counterparty which isn't remotely close to being the same thing despite what this article suggests

16:04:57 nubbins`: http://www.discogs.com/Metz-Ripped-On-The-Fence-Dry-Up/master/511499

16:04:59 assbot: Metz - Ripped On The Fence / Dry Up at Discogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5PoFk )

16:05:00 Adlai: nah, they're the same: http://counterparty.io/news/counterparty-recreates-ethereums-smart-contract-platform-on-bitcoin/

16:05:00 assbot: Counterparty Recreates Ethereum’s Smart Contract Platform on Bitcoin | Counterparty ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5Ppcn )

16:05:03 thestringpuller: when did businessinsider become gawker?

16:05:04 nubbins`: TIL i own a 7" single that's worth $85

16:05:06 nubbins`: :0

16:07:04 danielpbarron: well dang .. i didn't know they added that nonsense

16:08:04 danielpbarron: Anything that one could ever do with Ethereum, one can now do with Bitcoin and Counterparty. << i guess that's the final nail in ethereum's coffin

16:09:46 Adlai: no, it's the nail in counterparty's coffin: https://github.com/ethereum/serpent/commit/f509f4d

16:09:47 assbot: counterparty example · ethereum/serpent@f509f4d · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/19fn3iI )

16:09:55 funkenstein_: so I can put a non-halting program into the blockchain, and all counterparty nodes will stall?

16:10:13 Adlai: or maybe, they nailgunned eachother simultaneously

16:11:34 Adlai: aiui, you could only stall nodes of either network up to the amount of computation you're willing to subsidize

16:12:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00025609 = 2.164 BTC [-] {2}

16:12:32 funkenstein_: hmm that sounds interesting, i wonder how that is quantified

16:13:27 punkman: lol "Python numbers have potentially unlimited size, Serpent numbers wrap around 2256. For example, in Serpent the expression 3^(2^254) suprisingly evaluates to 1"

16:14:47 funkenstein_: what do you bet they use 32 bits or more to model that behavior?

16:16:57 funkenstein_: i think line number two is pretty important and looks like a common theme from the ethereum team

16:17:00 funkenstein_: +# Not yet tested

16:17:50 punkman: nobody's gonna use it, so why spend time testing :P

16:22:55 Adlai: yeah... https://github.com/jonasnick/eth-neg-value-tx

16:22:56 assbot: jonasnick/eth-neg-value-tx · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/19fozRV )

16:23:02 Adlai: at least they pay out bounties in btc

16:23:57 nubbins`: Serpent, the ideal language for businesses who don't need more than 2,256 of anything

16:24:59 nubbins`: wait, that was superscript in src, wasn't it 8)

16:25:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5331 @ 0.00026202 = 1.3968 BTC [+] {2}

16:27:14 punkman: nubbins`, yeah

16:29:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12601 @ 0.00026288 = 3.3126 BTC [+] {2}

16:29:55 Adlai: still a little silly for the platform bandied about as turing-complete to lack actual bignums

16:30:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14799 @ 0.00026756 = 3.9596 BTC [+]

16:30:46 Adlai: cf http://nosuchlabs.com/prod

16:30:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19fpnpZ )

16:32:51 punkman: Adlai, and for extra fun "Short strings, given simply in quotes as above, are treated as numbers; long strings, surrounded by the text keyword as above, are treated as array-like objects"

16:34:10 *: Adlai is fairly certain that phuctor is written in cl

16:34:18 Adlai: just a hunch...

16:35:32 BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> tangentially, i wonder if someone who chose to name their company "Eris Industries" ever used IRC in the 90s. << Incredilol

16:40:28 nubbins`: i can't imagine they did :D

16:55:12 PeterL: https://bitbet.us/bet/1127/qntra-to-the-moon/ uses assbot at a resolution source, does assbot keep historical price records?

16:55:13 assbot: BitBet - Qntra to the moon :: 0.31 B (79%) on Yes, 0.08 B (21%) on No | closing in 6 months 6 days | weight: 90`974 (100`000 to 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/19fs1Mm )

16:55:19 nubbins`: mod6 ben_vulpes FWIW downloading blocks on Darwin nubs.local 13.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Wed Dec 17 19:05:52 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.115.10~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64

16:55:45 nubbins`: ^ with apologies to asciilifeform

16:57:52 thestringpuller: PeterL: it's just assking about 30 day which it calculated by !t

16:58:50 thestringpuller: basically:

16:58:53 thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe

16:58:53 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00024773 / 0.00026264 / 0.00028284 (859358 shares, 225.70 BTC), 7D: 0.00024773 / 0.00029475 / 0.00033536 (18132562 shares, 5,344.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00024773 / 0.0003534 / 0.00048515 (82282113 shares, 29,078.73 BTC)

16:59:00 thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr

16:59:00 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00021105 / 0.00026069 / 0.000301 (36659 shares, 9.56 BTC)

16:59:18 PeterL: so for the yes side to win, somebody has to do !t for each here while the qntr is a higher price

16:59:29 thestringpuller: if the middle value on 30d for S.QNTR > correlated value for S.MPOE

17:01:08 thestringpuller: make sense PeterL ?

17:01:54 PeterL: it just seems like it should use a resolution source which can be checked later on, like when the bet ends

17:03:09 thestringpuller: why? we've used ;;ticker before to resolve bets...so....

17:03:23 thestringpuller: and mike_c sorta stores historical MPEx data :P

17:03:35 PeterL: I guess anybody who bets on yes should make a point to come in here and do !t for each periodically

17:11:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00026756 = 3.0368 BTC [+]

17:19:14 jurov: currently no need to check so often, it's still 0.0003534 vs. 0.00026069

17:22:39 jurov: !depth m s.qntr

17:22:46 jurov: $depth s.qntr

17:24:16 jurov: lol current qntr sell depth is just bitcents. if i wanted to sway it for the bet to win, would have to start trading with myself

17:25:11 PeterL: but it wouldn't take much coin to push it up above the s.mpex price, and then you just need a bit of self-trading to keep it there a month

17:25:35 PeterL: s.mpoe price i mean

17:26:51 jurov: yes, but with risk someone notices and will try to dump the shares on that price

17:27:24 PeterL: there's not a whole lot of shares trading with which to dump

17:27:58 PeterL: but still not worth it as the bet currently stands

17:29:00 jurov: why not? there are tens of btc worth shares floating, someone bought them at < 0.0003

17:30:36 PeterL: what I mean is there is such a small amount bet on the bet, you might spend more than you would win holding the price up. Spend tens of btc to win .003 btc?

17:31:36 PeterL: unless you convince somebody to put some money down on no before you do the manipulation

17:32:31 jurov: oh you're looking from no side, mkay.

17:33:48 PeterL: or you think it would be easier to hold the s.qntr price down so no wins?

17:34:27 funkenstein_: nubbins, re: after a couple days i am up to 220k blocks. just like the old days isn't it?

17:47:39 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

17:47:40 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 267.15, Best ask: 267.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 267.32, 24 hour volume: 23415.63076852, 24 hour low: 260.91, 24 hour high: 271.5, 24 hour vwap: None

17:47:49 ben_vulpes: ah it's so nice to see people building and running the RI

17:51:07 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:52:08 ascii_field: Adlai: http://nosuchlabs.com/prod << the maths engine is actually using boring old gmp -- same as gpg's

17:52:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19fpnpZ )

17:52:29 Adlai: ah, too bad

17:52:33 ascii_field: Adlai: go and try letting something like this cons!

17:52:38 ascii_field: see what kind of latency you get.

17:53:06 ascii_field: (c-machine - sucks)

17:54:10 ascii_field: danielpbarron: well the illegal image opens fine in GIMP << only half the story. before long, it won't print on printer, or even display on display.

17:54:27 ascii_field: the basic idea - owner-hostile hardware - is gaining ground.

17:55:19 ascii_field: presently the cheapest way to fight back is to extract the 'magic' algorithms and make sure the patterns start to appear in inconvenient places

17:55:27 ascii_field: such as in front of news cameras

17:55:38 ascii_field: or painted as graffiti, even

17:56:07 danielpbarron: oo, that reminds me of an article you once pasted in here

17:56:17 danielpbarron: about a parrot or something

17:56:23 ascii_field: 'blit' ?

17:56:25 ascii_field: short story

17:56:36 ascii_field: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm

17:56:37 assbot: BLIT - a short story by David Langford ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7gg8a )

17:56:55 danielpbarron: yes that

17:57:12 ascii_field: slightly different idea. boobytrap for flesh.

17:57:36 ascii_field: the thing with the diddled printers/image editors/etc is an actual thing today

17:57:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00026123 = 1.5674 BTC [-]

17:57:52 ascii_field: for instance, there is talk of mandating that digital cameras obey a magic remote off signal

17:58:00 ascii_field: ostensibly for movie theatres

17:58:09 ascii_field: but srsly.

17:58:19 PeterL: obviously to stop videoing police

17:58:42 Adlai: otoh, the movie theater proprietor who jams cellphone signals during screenings can marry my firstborn daughter

17:58:47 ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> presently the cheapest way to fight back is to extract the 'magic' algorithms and make sure the patterns start to appear in inconvenient places << oh this is bril

17:58:49 ascii_field: or the chinese toy chopper maker who 'volunteered' to gps-restrict the machine

17:59:17 PeterL: I've never noticed people using cell phones at movies

17:59:25 Adlai: you must live in a civilized place

17:59:35 ascii_field: PeterL: visit an american idiotopolis some time

17:59:54 jurov: http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/03/images-fool-computer-vision-raise-security-concerns lol i had this opened already

17:59:55 assbot: Images that fool computer vision raise security concerns | Cornell Chronicle ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOXCX7 )

18:00:12 PeterL: but I wouldn't notice the denver massacre if it was happening around me while I am watching a movie

18:00:23 jurov: let them try to autodetect "illegal content"

18:00:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4403 @ 0.00026123 = 1.1502 BTC [-]

18:01:01 ascii_field: jurov: it's one small step to usg prosecuting folks making hardware that doesn't obey magic bit

18:01:10 ascii_field: and before anyone says 'nuttery' - there is precedent

18:01:13 ascii_field: 'macrovision'

18:01:19 *: Adlai doesn't understand why warez doodz don't excise the pattern detectors from eg photoshop

18:01:20 punkman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

18:01:21 assbot: Cinavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOXVBu )

18:01:21 ascii_field: cemented in place a bug in ntsc

18:01:59 Adlai: although that would graduate said dood from pirate to counterfeiter

18:02:21 ascii_field: Adlai: part of it is that folks dislike heavily patched w4r3z

18:02:28 ascii_field: Adlai: difficult to tell from infection

18:03:19 Adlai: in this case, wouldn't it be as simple as diddling a single routine to always return false?

18:03:37 Adlai: that can be distributed as a separate patch, with sample files to verify that it does what is said

18:03:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00026756 = 1.8997 BTC [+]

18:06:09 nubbins`: mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cazalla thestringpuller http://i.imgur.com/QXYS4ee.png

18:06:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOYZFf )

18:06:40 jurov: so no ads ever?

18:06:43 nubbins`: shrug

18:07:03 nubbins`: i just took that from the "about" page

18:07:07 ascii_field: Adlai: diddling a single routine to always return false << only if the implementers were morons

18:07:17 jurov: ah. you can try "no milk" instead :DD

18:07:21 nubbins`: heh

18:07:40 nubbins`: someone with an actual connection to qntra can feel free to provide different copy if they wish

18:07:51 nubbins`: all that matters to me is the shape of the sentences

18:10:23 danielpbarron: nubbins`, what about this url ? http://qntra.net/author/bingoboingo/

18:10:24 assbot: Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7jNDr )

18:10:31 PeterL: asciilifeform:aviation, by and large, only works when you're a mega-state with maxint constantly replaced slaves to parasitise << depends if you are going for "go up in the air", or "survive dogfight with megastate"

18:11:38 ascii_field: PeterL: 'go up' is mighty expensive also.

18:11:53 ascii_field: PeterL: soviet planes often had mtbf measured in tens of hours.

18:11:57 PeterL: wright brothers were working in their garage

18:11:57 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Committing to no ads in print potentially means committing to no Ads forever. We'll say what cazalla says, but 'No Milk' or other joke may be longer lasting

18:12:10 ascii_field: PeterL: wrights had ready-made engines to go with.

18:12:22 nubbins`: danielpbarron don't ask me, ask him :D

18:12:43 ascii_field: PeterL: but if you want to build a cardboard kite - yes, you can.

18:12:45 nubbins`: BingoBoingo nod

18:12:56 funkenstein_: it's a publicly traded non profit ?

18:13:17 nubbins`: your logic has no place here

18:13:19 BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Profit is planned eventually, hopefully. Hence can't commit to no ads

18:13:41 funkenstein_: ok thanks

18:13:47 ascii_field: didn't ben_vulpes demonstrate that ads are dead ?

18:13:50 PeterL: wouldn't ads provide milk? or am I misunderstanding that reference?

18:14:16 PeterL: I thought ben_vulpes only stopped because too busy with other stuff?

18:14:16 funkenstein_: in the meantime you could put a donation address up

18:14:37 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Author urls might be overloading the card with too much information

18:15:21 ben_vulpes: PeterL: bit of column a, bit of column b.

18:17:07 ascii_field: at any rate, i assumed that the ads thing was neither fun nor threatened to replace ben_vulpes's day job

18:21:32 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:26:17 ascii_field: trinque: why sinfully? curious about the story

18:26:30 ascii_field: trinque: why would woman object to your having money ?

18:27:06 ascii_field: trinque: esp. if she was (as you appear to suggest) a pet

18:36:06 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/ethereum/serpent/commit/f509f4d#diff-3d8daf295c9ed9c3fd9f9d9113dd24cfR2 << hyuuuu

18:36:08 assbot: counterparty example · ethereum/serpent@f509f4d · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7q2Ho )

18:42:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00026117 = 4.1918 BTC [-] {2}

18:47:20 thestringpuller: wtf, #4 changetip? how is throwing change at each other like hobos noteworthy?

18:47:46 nubbins`: i've had people "tip" me dimes on a couple of occasion

18:47:50 nubbins`: one guy tried to give me a buck

18:48:08 nubbins`: utterly repugnant, yet too oblivious to realize

18:48:08 ascii_field: dime: useless; nsa tracking beacon - priceless

18:48:28 nubbins`: ascii_field after a few pestering PMs, changetip returned the money to its original owner

18:48:58 nubbins`: (they won't hold your dime forever!)

18:50:11 thestringpuller: nubbins`: https://youtu.be/hRFMu3zb5dA?t=1m53s

18:50:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00026756 = 2.9164 BTC [+]

18:51:44 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:52:01 nubbins`: ^ dat event trigger

18:52:02 PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064867 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064869 << somewhere I have an excel function that does this, grabs balance from blockchain.info or some such website

18:52:02 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 08:38:46; mircea_popescu: "The goal or problem is checking the balance of a ton of addresses without having to import them with keys without having to run a linux machine, without having to run anything in python, just plain and simple copy a list of addresses"

18:52:02 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 08:38:53; mircea_popescu: maybe he should put them in excel.

18:52:48 ascii_field: 'without having to run a linux machine' << wai wat

18:53:19 PeterL: some people think linux is hard?

18:53:36 PeterL: and windoze is easy!

18:53:40 nubbins`: ascii_field https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736607.msg8323424#msg8323424

18:53:41 assbot: Check Balance of Multiple Bitcoin Addresses ( Non py, Non Linux ) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6J7cs )

18:53:42 ascii_field: 'the goal or problem is not stinking of shit, without having to use a toilet, without having to wear diapers, just plain and simple not stinking of shit'

18:54:09 nubbins`: man

18:54:11 *: ascii_field offers a tube of 'superglue'

18:54:15 nubbins`: OP is a fucking dog cunt

18:54:19 nubbins`: srsly, read that post

18:54:28 ascii_field: i did.

18:54:36 nubbins`: "Things we dont need: " <followed by several actual solutions

18:55:30 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736607.msg8356907#msg8356907

18:55:30 assbot: Check Balance of Multiple Bitcoin Addresses ( Non py, Non Linux ) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6JILg )

18:55:33 nubbins`: choice lels

18:56:17 ascii_field: wtf he even needed this for

18:57:06 nubbins`: because haxxor

18:57:09 nubbins`: he had an idea

18:57:53 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Retarded scanning all the private keys possibru idear

18:58:07 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: but this is ancient idea. handled by existing code

18:58:33 nubbins`: sure, but he's obviously retarded

18:58:51 ascii_field: that this is so - was obvious

18:58:52 nubbins`: some guy made him a fuckin jar file for him to run and he can't figure out how to use it

18:58:59 ascii_field: question was what flavour of retardation

18:59:14 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Headwater?

18:59:31 nubbins`: "do it for me 100% or it won't get done and you're mean" retardation

18:59:55 ascii_field: i though the 'jar' was just a turd that loads from blockchain.info

19:00:03 ascii_field: and he wanted standalone that uses actual bitcoin

19:11:26 nubbins`: maybe so, didn't fully parse. guy does say later on that he can't figure out how to work the jar

19:11:51 nubbins`: this is "cut up my chicken nuggets AND chew them for me" level

19:12:07 nubbins`: christ, what a cesspool

19:12:07 ascii_field: and didn't even notice he was given turds instead of nuggets

19:12:20 nubbins`: noticed, but they were a familiar shape.

19:12:24 nubbins`: got a relevant link, sec

19:12:25 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/580083380923940864 << You are blocked from following @freebsdgirl and viewing @freebsdgirl's Tweets. Learn more

19:12:26 assbot: As a reminder, you'd have to hack into my Windows 8.1 desktop behind NAT to get my ssh key & use the right IP to access my AWS hosts.

19:13:00 ascii_field: wai wat

19:13:05 ascii_field: do i even want to know.

19:13:41 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKwL5G5HbGA

19:13:42 assbot: Jamie Oliver Shows School Kids How Chicken Nuggets are made - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJ14Yj )

19:14:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9939 @ 0.00026103 = 2.5944 BTC [-]

19:14:34 nubbins`: tv;dw: kids are shown raw truth of chicken nuggets being made from scratch, right in front of them, "EWW GROSSS" etc, then all clamor over each other to eat the fried result

19:15:03 nubbins`: and i mean like fistfuls of skin and fat blended w/ the meat, pushed through sieve, whole deal

19:15:19 ascii_field: ;;google futurama slurm

19:15:20 gribble: Slurm - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database: http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Slurm; Fry and the Slurm Factory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry_and_the_Slurm_Factory; Slurm Factory Tour - Video Clip | Comedy Central: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/xqmqta/futurama-slurm-factory-tour

19:15:34 nubbins`: ha, precisely this

19:15:57 ascii_field: 'umpa, dumpa, dupaty-didient, thou shalt not ask about the Secret Ingredient!'

19:16:07 thestringpuller: ascii_field: you watch futurama?!?

19:16:15 ascii_field: wait it still exists?

19:16:18 ascii_field: did watch

19:16:23 thestringpuller: watched*

19:16:28 ascii_field: aha

19:16:30 ascii_field: w4r3z

19:16:49 thestringpuller: ascii_field: well they ended up not revealing the secret ingredient cause slurm is so delicious...

19:18:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00025613 = 2.0875 BTC [-]

19:18:29 nubbins`: so we got a second cat back in november and i've been mildly worried that she's a bit aggressive towards our older cat

19:19:12 ascii_field: castrate ?

19:19:14 nubbins`: today, as i'm watching them eat supper, older cat tires of her food and just starts eating from younger cat's dish; younger cat retreats and waits for her turn :0

19:19:20 nubbins`: both female, both fixed

19:20:25 ascii_field: so older one won ?

19:22:04 nubbins`: nod, effortless display of dominance

19:22:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00025275 = 1.3143 BTC [-] {2}

19:22:16 nubbins`: !up ascii_field

19:24:56 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/wQfDg4U

19:24:57 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJ2fXq )

19:25:03 nubbins`: ^ sometimes stuff like this happens ;(

19:25:15 ascii_field: thick cat is thick!

19:25:37 nubbins`: that's dory, she's a fatso!

19:25:43 nubbins`: shelter kitty

19:25:52 ascii_field: i saw a most peculiar cat scene the other day

19:26:17 ascii_field: gigantic semi-wild but castrated male cat, grooming - and then guarding - a smaller cat

19:28:14 nubbins`: !

19:28:36 nubbins`: the other cat occasionally grooms me, it's endearing

19:28:43 ascii_field: but that was an odd scene

19:28:51 ascii_field: solitary animal doing a 'social' thing

19:29:13 nubbins`: i'd say

19:29:25 mats: adorbs

19:29:31 nubbins`: outdoor cat behaviour is fascinating

19:29:40 ascii_field: the smaller one, i think, lives under my shed

19:30:08 nubbins`: FUN

19:30:19 nubbins`: protip: if you eat canned tuna, save the water

19:30:38 nubbins`: unrelated, but came across this gem while looking for more cat photos: http://imgur.com/eUoHNko

19:30:39 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJ2F06 )

19:34:24 danielpbarron: save it for what? a cat?

19:34:37 danielpbarron: i just poured tuna water down the drain not 2 hours ago

19:35:04 nubbins`: yeah, cats love tuna water

19:35:06 ascii_field: i tried to feed'em once but they like the neighbours' more

19:35:15 ascii_field: my street is a gigantic cat restaurant

19:35:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00024827 = 3.9351 BTC [-] {2}

19:35:22 nubbins`: dish of it on the back step is a good way to attract em

19:35:23 ascii_field: where the beasts can afford to be picky

19:35:31 nubbins`: this is assuming that random cats are a thing you want to attract

19:35:39 ascii_field: nubbins`: i like cats.

19:35:46 nubbins`: me too!

19:36:02 ascii_field: people find it puzzling but it is kinda the reason i don't try to tame them and keep them inside

19:36:03 nubbins`: dory was at the shelter for longer than any of the other cats :/

19:36:21 ascii_field: i imagine that i wouldn't want to be tamed if i were them

19:36:36 nubbins`: pinki gets free access to outside and quite enjoys it, dory seems to show no interest in getting out

19:36:55 ascii_field: nubbins`: ever consider a bigger cat?

19:36:57 ascii_field: e.g. ocelot ?

19:36:58 danielpbarron: there was a cat that used to roam around outside that i would let sleep inside on occasion; i think it mothered a litter and died

19:37:21 nubbins`: tempting, maybe once there's no more shelter cats 8)

19:37:53 nubbins`: danielpbarron dory mothered three kittens and was found with them, abandoned, in an empty apartment

19:38:09 nubbins`: some people, i tell ya

19:39:54 cazalla: nubbins`, that's ugly imo, we don't use @qntra.net for email, but more importantly i am not fussed on this idea of bidness cards, so best to ask the others for input

19:40:12 nubbins`: nod, all text incl. email address is mere placeholder

19:40:21 danielpbarron: i think gold on black is tacky

19:40:27 nubbins`: i don't want to decide for 12 people what info they'll have on their cards

19:40:38 danielpbarron: i like the key fingerprint thing

19:41:06 nubbins`: personally i'd go with mid-grey ink

19:41:16 danielpbarron: i like white cards

19:43:00 ascii_field: wai wat

19:43:02 ascii_field: cards?

19:43:06 nubbins`: qntra business cards

19:43:22 danielpbarron: maybe apply the "photocopy" filter to the rabbit image and use as logo

19:43:40 nubbins`: unless you've got a version bigger than 30x30...

19:44:01 nubbins`: but that's the other thing, no logo

19:44:12 nubbins`: so you're left w/ just text

19:44:20 danielpbarron: https://i.imgur.com/svMadu3.png

19:44:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJ3FBn )

19:45:36 cazalla: i can't think of anything more obnoxious than someone giving you their business card, it's pretty much them saying, "here, you're obligated to put this either in your bidness card holder or the bin", perhaps i don't have the sophistication to appreciate bidness cards like ol' buffett (or whoever it is that collects em like baseball cards) but whatevs

19:46:00 danielpbarron: you have it backwards

19:46:05 danielpbarron: they are things you ask for

19:46:05 nubbins`: cazalla that's because you're not a small business owner dealing with other small business owners

19:46:06 danielpbarron: not force on

19:46:08 nubbins`: 8)

19:46:18 danielpbarron: i ask for business cards all the time

19:46:26 nubbins`: "do you have a card?" "no" "....."

19:46:32 danielpbarron: ^ ++

19:46:36 nubbins`: "but you can look us up on facebook"

19:46:46 *: danielpbarron nods

19:47:05 nubbins`: anyway, a good next step would be for people who intend to receive these cards to put some thought into what info they'd like on them, as well as a general idea of how they'd prefer them to look

19:47:11 ascii_field: i still like the pcb business cards idea - in the abstract

19:47:19 nubbins`: ascii_field nod

19:48:36 cazalla: as for ads, i've wanted to run them for a while, but credible advertisers are lacking

19:49:42 ascii_field: nubbins`: http://imgur.com/DaZyTPg,MfVbeHG,0tCxX1m#0 << sketch i made for mircea_popescu once

19:49:43 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FRM14z )

19:50:04 nubbins`: right, i remember this

19:50:04 ascii_field: suggested to have it baked on kapton

19:50:17 ascii_field: and gold plated copper

19:50:50 ascii_field: resistant to solvents, oils, and temp up to 400C

19:51:17 nubbins`: yeah, you could sautee em

19:51:37 ascii_field: but most of all, memorable

19:51:39 BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> i think gold on black is tacky << I loved nubbins` gold on black

19:51:44 ascii_field: at least until idiots start making'em

19:51:44 nubbins`: say, any PCB layouts from the cardano project approaching 3.5x2" in size?

19:52:23 ascii_field: nubbins`: the current version of the mainboard, approx.

19:52:24 ascii_field: why?

19:52:31 nubbins`: BingoBoingo you'll find this is one of the great divides of people the world over: white background vs black

19:52:37 nubbins`: white paper vs black. white shirts vs black.

19:52:43 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:52:43 nubbins`: !up ascii_field

19:53:11 nubbins`: ascii_field just pondering pcb cards w/ a bit more of a story behind em

19:53:31 nubbins`: got any vector files or anything?

19:53:40 nubbins`: am i allowed to ask for them yet? 8)

19:53:42 BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> maybe apply the "photocopy" filter to the rabbit image and use as logo << probably would work cleaner as lineart bunny

19:53:58 ascii_field: nubbins`: generally it is -defunct- hardware that gets recycled into toys

19:54:17 nubbins`: oh, i'm thinking silkscreening the design on paper

19:54:18 danielpbarron: yeah idk what the best filter is, but the idea is it works well as a single color

19:54:44 nubbins`: lay the traces in gold ink, flood a mask of semi-transparent green/red/blue/w/e on top

19:54:56 nubbins`: white for markings/biz card info

19:55:18 nubbins`: picture a sparkfun but with "stan" written on the bottom

19:55:25 ascii_field: meh

19:55:51 *: ascii_field not enamoured of toys which look like functional things but aren't

19:57:47 BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`

19:57:53 nubbins`: ty

19:58:05 nubbins`: i play low-battery roulette

19:59:24 nubbins`: *:ascii_field not enamoured of toys which look like functional things but aren't <<< there's a word for this, it escapes me

20:00:28 danielpbarron: app

20:00:33 BingoBoingo: le

20:00:44 nubbins`: yes, you're getting there

20:00:50 BingoBoingo: !b 4

20:00:50 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3F93JZN.txt )

20:00:50 nubbins`: like how Notes looks like a notepad

20:01:02 BingoBoingo: Damn, missed

20:01:11 BingoBoingo: skeumorphism

20:01:13 nubbins`: nah, was ok

20:01:15 nubbins`: yeah, that's it.

20:01:51 ascii_field: skeumorphism was text editors that look like parchment, waveform editors with drawn 'oscilloscope knobs', etc

20:02:18 nubbins`: skeumorphophobe!

20:02:45 nubbins`: technically a business card that looks like a pcb is not this, but w/e

20:02:49 ascii_field: not at all

20:03:01 ascii_field: skeumorph -does something- like what the thing it imitates did

20:03:13 nubbins`: what i should've said was "there's a word for something else, it escapes me"

20:03:29 BingoBoingo: www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html

20:03:51 nubbins`: BingoBoingo either that was already pasted here, or something else strange is going on

20:04:00 BingoBoingo: Ah

20:07:28 BingoBoingo: !up wsbtc

20:09:25 cazalla: nubbins`, posted yesterday, hilarious read

20:15:03 wsbtc: Hi, I'm here to learn more about bitcoin and I understand that this is the place to do it. Where should I begin?

20:16:15 danielpbarron: wsbtc, here's a good place to start -> http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/

20:16:17 assbot: IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FRNQyh )

20:16:34 danielpbarron: if you know how to GPG, you could get yourself in the WoT

20:16:53 wsbtc: Thank you

20:18:21 mircea_popescu: !v thomas

20:18:21 assbot: Invalid verfication string.

20:18:45 ben_vulpes: hyu

20:20:05 mircea_popescu: yo yo

20:20:30 mircea_popescu: Invitation@bitcoinfield.net 4:06 pm 3.6 KiB BitcoinField - Invest Bitcoins and Receive Daily r...

20:20:32 mircea_popescu: derp.

20:21:00 mircea_popescu: "Hello, I am inviting you to check this Investment opertunity with bitcoins. "

20:21:00 kakobrekla: !up thomas

20:21:29 mircea_popescu: o.O check me out, !v lol

20:21:45 kakobrekla: noob

20:21:50 mircea_popescu: totally.

20:22:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i just realised, talking to punkman yest, that we've actually been here for well over three years.

20:22:26 mircea_popescu: that's 78 twoweeks, yo!

20:23:16 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:23:28 kakobrekla: myea. not much to brag about.

20:23:46 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065059 << at least one's honest, after losing or w/e.

20:23:46 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 13:19:22; assbot: Mars One Finalist Announces That It's All A Scam | IFLScience ... ( http://bit.ly/19KIucz )

20:24:02 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you think ? the things i've seen people brag about since then...

20:24:27 mircea_popescu: "17 yo entrepreneur" of yesterday was bragging about "trading altcoins for four years".

20:24:31 *: ascii_field was about to say 'everyone's honest after losing' but then remembered the tales of phorum sc4mz0rz who transition to shills, etc

20:24:31 nubbins`: !up thomas

20:24:38 mircea_popescu: think about that for a moment, solid coin hadn't been even invented yet.

20:24:39 nubbins`: oh ha.

20:25:08 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah, world's been revolutionized a coupla times and changed who even knows how often since those days.

20:25:11 nubbins`: woodcollector

20:25:12 nubbins`: etc

20:25:47 mircea_popescu: After filling out an application (mostly out of curiosity), former NASA researcher Joseph Roche, now of Trinity College, became one of 100 finalists to live in permanent settlement on Mars. In his interview with Elmo Keep for Medium, Roche expressed many concerns, ranging from inaccurate media coverage (there were only 2,761 applicants, not 200,000) to Mars One?s psychological or psychometric testing (or lack thereof

20:25:47 mircea_popescu: ) to how leading contenders earned their spot (he says they paid for it).

20:25:48 mircea_popescu: ahaha

20:26:51 *: ascii_field waits for the inevitable 'but of course anyone who would go in for this is so gullible god himself put him upon this earth to be fleeced, by us preferably' retort from the m4rssc4mz0r

20:27:52 mircea_popescu: ascii_field in those venues where idiots congregate, this is heard, because it actually is +ev.

20:27:57 mircea_popescu: here it doesn't wash, so they don't bother.

20:28:13 ascii_field: oh wouldn't dream of seeing him appear -here-

20:28:15 mircea_popescu: when you're a scammer you gotta be very careful with your time. keeping above water quite the challenge.

20:28:33 ascii_field: this is basic 'spam like a pro in 21 days' material...

20:28:57 wsbtc: The more I read that page, the more I realize I didn't know nearly as much about Bitcoin as I though I did.

20:29:01 wsbtc: Gratitude.

20:29:09 mircea_popescu: There are other bad signs for Mars One. The organization?s contract with production company Endemol is no longer in place; Mars One was hoping to generate $6 billion from a reality show.

20:29:13 mircea_popescu: ahahaha 6bn!

20:29:39 mircea_popescu: dude wtf... srsly, 6bn ? like, three derps got together and went, "hey, this IDEA is totally worth one hundred thousand new cars" ?

20:31:10 mircea_popescu: cazalla just for the record, on my wishlist-of-things-way-far-out-of-reach, stuff which like hooft says, i'll be happy to get in a 100 years : i'd totally love it if qntra did what medium does, and is correct in doing : chase these social justice idiocies, get insiders to spill the beans.

20:31:34 mircea_popescu: the projects will multiply, as time goes by, for the obvious economic reasons. the lulz will increase. lulz must be mined!

20:31:57 mircea_popescu: And as far as the delays are concerned, he says, ?is it really a failure if we land our first crew two, four, six, or even eight years late??

20:32:08 mircea_popescu: ^ check out the bfl/anon asic scammer verbiage.

20:32:13 mats: bugs.archlinux.org/task/34580

20:32:14 mircea_popescu: he could have run neobee.

20:32:31 mircea_popescu: "brick and mortar mars mission"

20:32:37 mats: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/34580

20:32:38 assbot: FS#34580 : [rng-tools] Default configuration of rng-tools adds no real entropy to /dev/random ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hsiq01 )

20:33:47 mircea_popescu: mats : "Comment by Massimiliano Torromeo (mtorromeo) - Friday, 05 April 2013, 12:07 GMT This package is not a dependency of any other package. It also needs to be explicitly installed AND started/enabled so after installation the system is not any less secure."

20:33:48 mircea_popescu: logic.

20:35:48 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065063 << nah, seems much flatter a power struggle than that. they're just bickering over the remote.

20:35:48 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 13:32:08; nubbins`: (cough)

20:36:06 mircea_popescu: but, the fact that chick can get him that worked up over nothing bodes well for teh twu wuv factor involved :D

20:36:48 mircea_popescu: also, nubbins` STOP WHOTEKNIGTING

20:36:50 thestringpuller: i wonder if one day effort to be scammer will outweight that of doing actual work

20:37:00 mircea_popescu: yeah. that day is erryday.

20:37:11 nubbins`: heh

20:37:19 thestringpuller: i guess ppl jus stoopid and don't know scamming doesn't pay

20:37:21 nubbins`: whoteknighting = showing people the mirror?

20:37:22 nubbins`: 8)

20:37:40 nubbins`: anyway, much flatter a power struggle, i like that

20:37:41 thestringpuller: lol #b-a mcgruff ads

20:37:51 thestringpuller: "Scamming Doesn't Pay Kids"

20:39:24 nubbins`: "but i do"

20:39:26 punkman: work doesn't pay much either for most folks

20:39:39 trinque: mircea_popescu: there was plenty more a sober me decided not to put in the permanent record

20:40:01 trinque: reduces to socialism is awesome because artists vs no, food is good

20:40:05 trinque: completely stupid argument

20:40:16 mircea_popescu: lol okay.

20:40:21 mircea_popescu: your domain mlad.

20:40:42 mircea_popescu: punkman is greek, he'd know.

20:41:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> cazalla just for the record, on my wishlist-of-things-way-far-out-of-reach, stuff which like hooft says, i'll be happy to get in a 100 years : i'd totally love it if qntra did what medium does, and is correct in doing : chase these social justice idiocies, get insiders to spill the beans. << Medium is just some twitter founder's take on blogger. It only holds writing from the people who choose to blog there for fre

20:41:09 BingoBoingo: e.

20:41:15 mircea_popescu: trinque btw, the "artists of socialism" nonsense is just so much bunk, and thorouighly debunked.

20:41:23 trinque: I got drunk and started giving a loud speech at a bar about how great markets are

20:41:31 mircea_popescu: this was the soviet argument in the 20s. their "artistry" fizzled, and really, 10 years out of 70 ?

20:41:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i know that part, i'm not arguing roundly for its merits.

20:42:06 trinque: and how "artists" live at the pleasure of people with wealth, and no other way

20:42:21 mircea_popescu: o.O

20:42:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00025001 = 3.5626 BTC [+] {2}

20:42:42 nubbins`: what are you o.Oing about

20:42:47 mircea_popescu: so basically we could say "another copacetic union ruined by fraudsters" ?

20:42:53 trinque: yeah just about

20:42:58 nubbins`: you wrote an essay on this, i ...oh, heh

20:43:01 trinque: I was an asshole before I read you, though

20:43:02 mircea_popescu: the regulator of intensity.

20:43:03 trinque: :D

20:43:17 mircea_popescu: lol i need new fucking bylines.

20:43:27 mircea_popescu: "Empowering assholes, since before very long ago."

20:43:43 nubbins`: "making your thorax palpitate since 1978"

20:43:50 trinque: look! the sky! it's the ass-signal!

20:43:55 mircea_popescu: lol

20:43:55 trinque: mp aways

20:44:25 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, funny story. friend with small baby, intelligent woman, actual engineer, the works.

20:44:33 mircea_popescu: so she is prepared, right ?

20:44:45 nubbins`: not necessarily

20:44:49 mircea_popescu: she knows, for instance, that one of the first things kids babblingly ask is why is the sky blue ?

20:44:55 mircea_popescu: so she's got it ready to lay out.

20:44:55 ben_vulpes: can one be?

20:44:57 nubbins`: o sure

20:45:01 mircea_popescu: kid asks "why sky ?"

20:45:33 trinque: woah.gif

20:45:52 trinque: reminds me of louis ck's "why" bit

20:45:56 mircea_popescu: the only thing missing'd have been, kid frowning and in very bussins voice

20:46:05 mircea_popescu: "you know you're not really that well prepared."

20:46:08 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u2ZsoYWwJA

20:46:09 assbot: Louis C.K. "Why?" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsmvBz )

20:46:23 *: trinque must find a power outlet, brb

20:46:39 mircea_popescu: check it out, trinquette kicked undata out, now he's a bum

20:47:19 thestringpuller: buddy of mine is a sticker bomber.

20:47:33 thestringpuller: has a sticker that says, "Keeping public employees employed since 2009"

20:47:48 thestringpuller: since he only puts them on government owned things

20:48:15 thestringpuller: ;;seen undata

20:48:16 gribble: undata was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 35 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: * undata clicks

20:48:29 nubbins`: that's a "does", not an "is" :D

20:49:31 danielpbarron: !up Bagels7

20:51:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, well... that's a good point. in honesty so is gawker, but anyway. the distinction between one model and the other blurs.

20:51:57 BingoBoingo: Yeah

20:52:04 mircea_popescu: in the words of the great jukov, "the fact that the americans won that battle by sheer accident doesn't mean we shouldn't win the same way deliberately"

20:52:43 mircea_popescu: and if neobee/primeasic/whatever is bitcoin news, so is the exactly identially executed, designed and manned "mars project"

20:53:13 BingoBoingo: I'll write it up

20:53:21 mircea_popescu: nah i dun mean this one specifically.

20:53:26 mircea_popescu: but the next one, if it ever happens.

20:54:03 mircea_popescu: at any rate, i think by now we know more about scams than ny's da office, collectively.

20:55:25 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

20:55:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: aite, the Mars thing has been out for a while. I'll keep looking for the next one.

20:57:07 chetty: if the da's knew anything about scams the entire rest of the gubermint would be in jail

20:57:26 mircea_popescu: that also. but i just mean know, not necessarily act, to give them a chance.

21:01:16 mircea_popescu: louis c k is givving the snotty brat way too much control over her environment.

21:01:26 mircea_popescu: she's gonna grow up to believe socialism is best because artists.

21:01:45 ascii_field: achtung, panzers:

21:01:46 ascii_field: http://tomforb.es/dell-system-detect-rce-vulnerability

21:01:46 assbot: Dell System Detect RCE vulnerability | Tom's corner of the internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsqSfZ )

21:02:04 ascii_field: Run Moar Winblows (TM)

21:02:27 ascii_field: 'While investigating this rather innocuous looking program I discovered that it accepts commands by listening for HTTP requests on localhost:8884 and that the security restrictions Dell put in place are easily bypassed, meaning an attacker could trigger the program to download and install any arbitrary executable from a remote location with no user interaction at all.'

21:02:30 mircea_popescu: While investigating this rather innocuous looking program I discovered that it accepts commands by listening for HTTP requests on localhost:8884 and that the security restrictions Dell put in place are easily bypassed, meaning an attacker could trigger the program to download and install any arbitrary executable from a remote location with no user interaction at all.

21:02:35 mircea_popescu: ahaha oops. sorry.

21:02:37 ascii_field: ^ l0l

21:02:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, sounds exactly like dell

21:03:12 thestringpuller: is this why you use thinkpads?

21:03:31 mircea_popescu: " So let's take a closer look at the program - it's a .NET 2.0 executable and can be completely decompiled with dotPeek into a set of Visual Studio solutions."

21:03:37 mircea_popescu: F for effin'...

21:03:53 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah, i write my own drivers. in vi.

21:04:20 punkman: http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/263.pdf "Our attack allows an adversary controlling a sufficient number of IP addresses to monopolize all connections to and from a victim bitcoin node."

21:04:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xssO8A )

21:07:08 mircea_popescu: yeah the node connections sorter is really high up on the list of fixes. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998341 etc

21:07:08 assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 06:45:26; mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units. << that something is athena riding a flaming shield.

21:07:12 *: ascii_field remembers about his unfinished 'hardwired peers' patch for 0.5.3

21:07:38 mircea_popescu: ascii_field and the "introduce scoring for peers, shitlist least performing for x interval" idea from earlier, same thread.

21:07:39 ben_vulpes: murder on my mind.

21:08:08 brendafdez: re: Businesscards. I found a QR code with a BTC address, and now, also the GPG fingerprint, provide a good excuse to hand it out without sounding like you're forcing them. "Where do I send the btc?" --"Here!" (:

21:08:15 ascii_field: i'll sum it up here. 1) sane node -always, without exception- connects to as many wot nodes as are up 2) then possibly connects to others from cache

21:08:17 ben_vulpes: is redundant block downloading a horrible idea?

21:08:27 mircea_popescu: no.

21:08:54 ben_vulpes: perhaps to reduce bw waste, randomly ask for n-plicate copies of blocks from other nodes?

21:09:11 ben_vulpes: "randomly"

21:09:34 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the only reasonable way to go about it is, pretend the other nodes are your employees. measure the txn bytes/minute you receive from them, give points.

21:09:49 mircea_popescu: problem solves itself. whether they duplicate or not is a byproduct : competition, economical.

21:10:26 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: measure the txn bytes/minute you receive from them << won't work for 0.5.3 as presently exists. bastard blocks -get transmitted- before rejected

21:10:34 *: mircea_popescu waits patiently for the vc funded, world changing "start-up" predicated on having read the above lines in the log.

21:10:54 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i was talking more in terms of how it's supposed to go. i'm aware the current pos is a pos.

21:10:54 ben_vulpes: "this one neat trick to speed up blockchain sync time!"

21:11:14 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and also, on my personal wishlist : could block generation finally be fucking fixed ?

21:11:24 ben_vulpes: what's wrong with it?

21:11:26 mircea_popescu: i was nonplussed that i can't make blocksized txn in 2012, i still am nonplussed.

21:11:35 mircea_popescu: if i want to make a txn that's 1mb, i do.

21:11:47 ben_vulpes: oh hm.

21:11:55 ben_vulpes: that's deeeeeeep in the transaction creation code iirc.

21:12:00 mircea_popescu: it's a total fucking pain when stuff like, payout of the bfl bitbet happens

21:12:03 mircea_popescu: or recently, berkshire.

21:12:13 mircea_popescu: yes i know. that pile of dung has to be exorcised.

21:12:21 ascii_field: fastest way for mircea_popescu to do this is, unfortunately but probably, to wait for my version.

21:12:34 mircea_popescu: i been waitin' a long time honey!

21:12:35 ascii_field: (or write himself. anyone's bet who wins)

21:12:39 mircea_popescu: literally, 2012.

21:13:14 mircea_popescu: (mp fondly remembers how he's one of the... one guy that hit the power rangers over the head until they finally put encryption into wallets. which, prior to mid 2012, were plaintext)

21:13:14 ascii_field: (i like how it occurred to no one to ask why 1mb tx)

21:13:33 mircea_popescu: (and i'm not entirely sure that encryption's worth jack shit, by the way, if someone feels like reading it)

21:13:52 ascii_field: generic aes

21:14:04 mircea_popescu: and what, can't be subtly fucked up ?

21:14:09 ascii_field: sure it can

21:14:10 mircea_popescu: besides, fucking aes.

21:14:12 ascii_field: calls out to openssl even

21:14:22 ben_vulpes: i don't see why not.

21:14:34 ben_vulpes: i don't see why plaintext is so bad, i mean to say.

21:14:40 ben_vulpes: but that's probably stockhol.

21:14:42 ben_vulpes: stockholm.

21:14:47 mircea_popescu: it's stockholm.

21:14:56 ben_vulpes: encrypt wallet with gpg, move to safe location on disk, run without hot wallet.

21:14:59 ascii_field: ben_vulpes does not keep 'wallet' around. he memorizes private key

21:15:13 ben_vulpes: stop bitcoind, move wallet back in, restart, sync wallet txns periodically.

21:15:19 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes don't forget to encrypt your privkey ring with gpg too

21:15:24 ben_vulpes: ya well duh.

21:15:27 mircea_popescu: because they ALSO didnt see why it's so bad

21:15:29 ben_vulpes: symmetric in my brain.

21:15:45 ben_vulpes: its really the only sane model.

21:16:12 mircea_popescu: look, you're spewing nonsense. think in simple terms : if wallet is encrypted by program using it, then it can be read by program using it, and kernel.

21:16:22 ascii_field: no shit

21:16:26 mircea_popescu: if wallet is encrypted in useralnd, then it's read by gpg

21:16:28 mircea_popescu: and everyone else.

21:16:31 mircea_popescu: including... the disk.

21:16:34 mircea_popescu: and so on and so forth.

21:16:48 ascii_field: incidentally (i wrote) a neat little proof of concept bin patch for bitcoind on winblows.

21:17:03 ben_vulpes: i've always assumed that if someone got access to the machine while hot, the coins were gone regardless.

21:17:08 ascii_field: the first outgoing tx sent by the luser after it goes to addr A

21:17:11 ascii_field: (magic constant)

21:17:21 ascii_field: notice how much good the wallet crypto does him.

21:17:49 ascii_field: oh and sends whole wallet's weight of course

21:17:54 mircea_popescu: ascii_field you know im not proposing quinine solves gout over here.

21:18:07 ascii_field: aha

21:18:22 mircea_popescu: and your "poc" that "sends whole wallet" is going to run into some fucking lulzy problems once it gets implemented,

21:18:27 mircea_popescu: because no one knows what's in a wallet.

21:18:37 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: think for a minute

21:18:42 ascii_field: doesn't send the file

21:18:48 mircea_popescu: but ?

21:18:56 ascii_field: creates a legit tx using the luser's own client

21:19:00 mircea_popescu: right

21:19:02 mircea_popescu: that says wut ?

21:19:29 mircea_popescu: whatever it may say, fuck you and a heap of error: {"code":-4,"message":"Transaction creation failed"}

21:19:37 ascii_field: that has [sum of his unspent coin - 0.1 fee] value, and is to addr A (constant) instead of wherever he asked for

21:19:53 mircea_popescu: if you imagine this "sum of unspent coin" symbol is defined...

21:20:01 brendafdez: I always wondered why negative error codes...

21:20:10 mircea_popescu: brendafdez correlates to iq.

21:20:15 brendafdez: (:

21:20:29 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iterates, incr. fee, until no error

21:20:34 ascii_field: can't promise that it works for everyone.

21:20:41 mircea_popescu: np problem, well done.

21:20:54 mircea_popescu: "hey everyone since i installed alfbitcoin my system has been doing 100% cpu"

21:21:05 ascii_field: where's the np ?

21:21:11 mircea_popescu: in the fucking wallet.

21:21:39 ascii_field: theoretically a knapsack problem, yes

21:21:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a reason wallet theft consisted of stealing the (plaintext) wallet file

21:21:45 ascii_field: but in practice quadratic.

21:21:51 mircea_popescu: rather than this sort of stuff. it's about 100x easier, given the sad state of bitcoind

21:22:15 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and recipient does what?

21:22:21 ascii_field: he is also stuck with the knapsack

21:22:27 mircea_popescu: and people fail to think how important this is, because atm relatively few addresses (if you divide total btc to total addresses you get a .x ish average)

21:22:41 mircea_popescu: but once the average per address is under 0.0001... just you see quadratics then

21:22:47 ascii_field: then - yes

21:22:50 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes but can do it in his own time.

21:23:01 mircea_popescu: with actual tools. etc.

21:23:55 ascii_field: who the hell has wallet full of nanodust also

21:24:06 mircea_popescu: EVERYONE

21:24:31 ben_vulpes: everyone.

21:24:40 ben_vulpes: well, most people.

21:24:45 mircea_popescu: i would guess more bitcoin has been loist to nanodusting than to outright laptop-in-garbage dump incidents

21:24:49 ascii_field: if so, it is on account of the idiocy where the client has no idea how to 'defragment'

21:24:55 ascii_field: and is averse to sending to himself

21:24:57 mircea_popescu: just, the owners still think they own the dust they can't actually send anywhere.

21:25:27 mircea_popescu: ascii_field not only that. the txn making is dust-agnostic. instead of optimizing to not create too small chunks, it just does whatever.

21:25:36 mircea_popescu: because "too hard".

21:25:44 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the fucktards are busy "innovating" bullshit.

21:25:58 mircea_popescu: the hard problems of bitcoin are still untouched since six yyears ago when satoshi saw them and ran screaming.

21:26:02 ascii_field: the most frustrating part is that the correct solutions are so obvious.

21:26:16 mircea_popescu: yeah, they are : go entertain cia over the weekend.

21:26:17 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:26:26 ascii_field: l0l

21:26:47 ascii_field: i mean to say, they are actually obvious to anyone who stayed awake in junior 'algorithms'

21:27:01 mircea_popescu: nobody went to school.

21:27:04 mircea_popescu: they're all fucking experts.

21:27:08 *: ascii_field went to school

21:27:10 ascii_field: and nubbins` iirc

21:27:13 ascii_field: and a few others

21:27:23 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ascii_field not only that. the txn making is dust-agnostic. instead of optimizing to not create too small chunks, it just does whatever. << aggressively whatever. semi random selection of outputs, iirc.

21:27:33 mircea_popescu: right.

21:27:42 ascii_field: i get it, it was written by monkeys

21:27:47 mircea_popescu: (honestly i've not really looked what they've been doing with it since 7ish)

21:27:59 ascii_field: mircea_popescu did not miss much

21:28:24 ascii_field: ben_vulpes has an exhaustive catalogue

21:28:40 mircea_popescu: ascii_field anyway, if you're curious, do a braid on a bitcoin then see what happens.

21:28:51 ascii_field: braid ?

21:28:52 ben_vulpes: hardly exhaustive.

21:28:57 mircea_popescu: (split it to three addresses, then feed one by two for a while)

21:29:02 mircea_popescu: then see what you can spend and what you can't.

21:29:09 mircea_popescu: this is the golden standard for testing txn generators.

21:29:41 mircea_popescu: or, closer to what you want, "then send it all to one address". see with own eyes.

21:29:46 ascii_field: i have this working for a [censored application] but it uses machine (outside of bitcoind) generated tx

21:29:58 mircea_popescu: yeah well, WHY IS THAT

21:30:01 ascii_field: and raw key material

21:30:18 mircea_popescu: alf trying to scam me in argument! "oh, bitcoind works. i think so because i don't use it because it doesn't"

21:30:22 ascii_field: l0l

21:30:48 *: ascii_field believes when mircea_popescu says that it -will- explode if used as printed on the crate

21:31:02 BingoBoingo: Well, sometimes it does

21:31:05 mircea_popescu: hence why we're terrorists.

21:31:12 ascii_field: likewise most of the folks here have read enough of it to see how this might be

21:31:49 BingoBoingo: Bitcoind (and a number of the other 'wallets') grind balances to dust over time.

21:32:22 ascii_field: don't forget that this was -deliberate-

21:32:33 mircea_popescu: maybe.

21:32:34 ascii_field: phoundation justified it with 'bbbut an0nym1ty1111!!111'

21:32:52 mircea_popescu: this is way before vessenes was invented.

21:33:05 ascii_field: 'wouldn't want to link the coins you got from bin laden to the ones you got from george bush, when you go spend'em'

21:33:19 mircea_popescu: you for some reason seem to think scam foundation and bitcoin are cogenerational. this is about as true as saying you and your mom were born the same week

21:33:51 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i formed this impression because i do not know the actual truth of the extent of collaboration between gavin et al and satoshi pre-phoundation

21:34:08 ascii_field: having contradictory data, assumed the worst.

21:34:39 mircea_popescu: fake foundation's just a pressed shitbullet, they made it, getting rid of it won't get rid of the problem.

21:34:48 mircea_popescu: it's exactly like "Bitcoin magazine", meanwhile buried.

21:35:00 ascii_field: i saw it as more of a snakeskin

21:35:03 mircea_popescu: once they didn't get away with simply stealing that, they made coindesk.

21:35:04 ascii_field: shed as many times as snake likes

21:35:17 mircea_popescu: which will be buried too, but... still. you don't kill ticks by breaking the bellies.

21:36:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, gavin showed up pretty quick o nthe original lists. to no one's suprirse, nsa does read the stuff, as amply documented.

21:36:50 ascii_field: so then.

21:37:03 mircea_popescu: foundation not directly related to this.

21:37:24 *: ascii_field saw phoundation and gavinatronics as mostly synonymous

21:37:37 ben_vulpes: he's a useful front, as i see it.

21:38:51 mircea_popescu: well perhaps the discussion of which lice spawned what scorpion is not directly interesting to engineers, being more in the vein of politics and law. so i guess you actually have a fine aproximation.

21:39:23 *: ascii_field actually does find it interesting, and if mircea_popescu ever writes a detailed likbez, will enjoy reading

21:39:29 mircea_popescu: but no, the two got merged late. originally, foundation was transparent scam to syphon and repurpose bitcoins to prop up "vc entreprises".

21:40:16 mircea_popescu: once got called out on that, shed some bits (coinlab, anyone recall that ?) and moved to "worthy goals" (stioll not releasing any reports, because vessenes, like all clueless idiots involved, thinks taint is a thing, and also thinks i don't know his addresses, because whatever, he's magically protected by nulandine)

21:40:35 mircea_popescu: except no worthy goals were willing to work with them, and so moved to "default worthy goal" = pay gavin a salary.

21:40:43 mircea_popescu: which was getting paid anyway. but better cover now.

21:41:14 mircea_popescu: which pretty much brings us to 2014, when the thing became too expensive to be useful, so it had to run out of usg jurisdiction (went to uk)

21:41:24 mircea_popescu: pretending now that hey, "they are publishing reports". of the new entity.

21:41:50 mircea_popescu: because whatever, i'm going to hang them anyway, and usg isn't going to hang them no matter what, so that leaves a space in the middle.

21:42:01 mircea_popescu: which pretty much brings us to date.

21:43:10 mircea_popescu: (and by "too expensive to be useful" i don't mean anything but, for every btc in gains it makes us, it gives that terrorist we shall not name 10 to 100 btc worth of ammo)

21:44:29 *: mircea_popescu waves @ Patrick Merck, who realised all this shit too late and ran off through the wall.

21:46:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/political-donor-in-schweich-suicide-controversy-revises-statement/article_793bf835-d709-5be8-9124-4dd481567809.html

21:46:26 assbot: Political donor in Schweich suicide controversy revises statement : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1N86jHy )

21:46:36 mircea_popescu: o.O

21:47:10 BingoBoingo: "called a Jew" scapegoat isn't as sticky nao

21:47:32 mats: is Merck still general counsel for TBP?

21:48:13 ascii_field: https://www.google.com/doodles/emmy-noethers-133rd-birthday << l0l that google remembered this actually interesting figure and not some wanker

21:48:15 assbot: Emmy Noether's 133rd Birthday ... ( http://bit.ly/1N86Fhd )

21:48:47 thestringpuller: ascii_field: has a crush

21:48:51 mircea_popescu: mats like beauty : yes, until you ask.

21:49:14 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if you want to talk "women in tech" it really starts with noether.

21:49:37 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: not with lovelace ?

21:50:02 mircea_popescu: maybe.

21:50:36 ascii_field: it doesn't get any hotter than lovelace, imho

21:51:01 BingoBoingo: !up thomas

21:51:14 mircea_popescu: noether was born in 82, yo!

21:51:30 mircea_popescu: lovelace is this 70s bs.

21:51:37 ascii_field: this is the nice thing re: dead folks

21:51:48 ascii_field: they can be $age in your head

21:52:09 mircea_popescu: anywya, i have deepthroat right here, it's... ungreat.

21:53:19 ascii_field: i often wonder where the 'kabuki' of modern western porn came from

21:53:33 mircea_popescu: not there.

21:53:36 ascii_field: meaning, roughly speaking, the set of conventions re: what the heroes look like, what they do, etc.

21:53:48 mircea_popescu: originally, it was actually max hardcore i think. after that, it was mostly bangbros.

21:53:49 ascii_field: (because, i will confess, i never really went in for it)

21:54:04 mircea_popescu: before that, it was randoim shit.

21:54:20 mircea_popescu: (if you read teh fraudsterstograph heading you prolly know i've been working on a very similar question)

21:56:04 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065075 << check it out, kitty spit out a furball!

21:56:04 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 13:45:09; nubbins`: (given that free advice can only cost $0, the set of possible costs for said free advice is a zero ring, which precludes the set from being a field, which means that division by zero is not required to be undefined, which means that your assertion that it's infinitely more valuable is, at least superficially, true)

21:56:43 mircea_popescu: dun worry sir whiteknight, b-a brings the best out in everyone.

21:56:45 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:56:46 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

21:56:51 mircea_popescu: too late alfie.

21:56:59 ascii_field: l0l

21:57:20 mircea_popescu: btw, want me to tell you a romanian joke ?

21:57:25 ascii_field: aha

21:57:46 mircea_popescu: guy walking through street at night. suddenly, jumped by some burly dudes.

21:57:57 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: too late alfie. << ahahhhahaha. The nickname is sticking!

21:58:05 mircea_popescu: they struggle a little, he's taken to the ground, at which point the leader of the pack goes

21:58:32 mircea_popescu: listen dude, you're getting fucked whbether you want to or not. it's a fact. the only questrion to you is, if you want to do it with alifie or without.

21:58:39 mircea_popescu: so the guy eventually decides to go with.

21:58:49 mircea_popescu: at which the leader goes "Yo! Alifie! come over we got one."

21:59:27 mircea_popescu: (alifie, in romanian, is maz')

22:00:03 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065889 fyi, electrum does not and has opposite problem - you must freeze addresses to prevent it always spending everything

22:00:03 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 21:31:49; BingoBoingo: Bitcoind (and a number of the other 'wallets') grind balances to dust over time.

22:00:36 jurov: at least 1.9, dunno about 2.0

22:00:50 mircea_popescu: yeah different but not necessarily better

22:01:28 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065093 << they are.

22:01:28 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:21:16; bitstein: Is there a reason WoT ratings are not required to be GPG signed?

22:01:33 mircea_popescu: !up bitstein

22:02:02 jurov: does assbot store the !v verification string?

22:02:10 jurov: imo that was what was meant

22:02:15 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065099 << this is not how assbot works, tho.

22:02:15 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:22:40; Adlai: and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby

22:02:51 mircea_popescu: jurov so the question was more "why does assbot not implement the drawbacks to privacy of a strong crypto verification scheme" ?

22:03:00 mircea_popescu: phrased like that it's obvious.

22:03:16 jurov: what? everyone being able to check rating entries independently of assbot would do that?

22:03:46 mircea_popescu: well, you're stuck publishing all this signed material in that model.

22:03:53 mircea_popescu: not like people can't do that if they wish, via deedbot.

22:04:43 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065100 << assbot model is much improved over gribble model. there's no more sessions, so you're mostly battling with a solved problem there.

22:04:43 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:22:44; bitstein: That just allows the server to know it is talking to who it thinks it is talking to, but it doesn't guarantee the server hasn't fabricated data.

22:04:45 ascii_field: tale is variant of 'death by bunga-bunga'

22:04:51 mircea_popescu: it is.

22:05:46 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065107 << no dood, the situation's exactly reversed here. assbot fixed some problems, it's up to nanotube to support it in gribble, which he said he was going to eventually do.

22:05:46 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:25:35; thestringpuller: its up to kako if he wants to support it with asswot

22:07:07 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065126 << you got it soviet!

22:07:07 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:45:54; funkenstein_: that's right "the gold market" is a single entity which works towards being "less manipulated".

22:07:11 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

22:07:18 indiancandy1: hiya

22:07:50 mircea_popescu: how goes

22:08:54 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065154 << consensus is undesirable. but actually, as implemented, assbot does work perfectly for the purpose(s).

22:08:54 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:07:09; Adlai: this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed, this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at the latest version of the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving trust-minimized consensus...

22:10:54 mircea_popescu: ahahaha who the fuck came up with this shit. seriously, photoshop "Refuses to open" somethng ?

22:11:19 mircea_popescu: and the user's reaction is anything but getting a 28 inch dropforged wrench and beating it into a pulp. without grease. ?

22:12:09 danielpbarron: "i don't want to learn a new thing"

22:13:32 mircea_popescu: i suppose i might be the only techno-enabled sociopath that disassembled misbehaving hardware/software and let them do X for a while, by themselves, in the dark.

22:14:01 mircea_popescu: like this lazy cd rom that wouldn't spin properly which ended up plucked out, connected straight to power and let spin until it ground itself off.

22:14:24 mircea_popescu: god fucking help any piece of machinery that "just says no"

22:15:14 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065185 << in sovietlandia one had to "Register" his typewriter, after all.

22:15:14 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:18:04; asciilifeform: 'for your own good' of course

22:15:22 bitstein: mircea_popescu: assbot model is much improved over gribble model. there's no more sessions, so you're mostly battling with a solved problem there. << doing an auth for each request is definitely an improvement, but can you elaborate on how that solves the problem?

22:15:50 mircea_popescu: well lets start by you stating the problem ?

22:16:49 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065198 << it uses meta-yellow ink. you dunno how world works.

22:16:49 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:28:39; nubbins`: (how? because the yellow tank contains black ink!)

22:18:45 mircea_popescu: lol at the fluffypony businessoutsider link. EXCITING! may become the new AMAZING, as a new generation of idiots moves into bitcoin scam pushing.

22:18:45 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:18:48 mircea_popescu: these are artists.

22:19:12 fluffypony: it's this new trend


22:19:36 fluffypony: and if you shout it loudly enough and often enough it must be true, amiright?

22:19:42 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065236 << once they couldn't find anything but the same social studies rejects to "write"

22:19:42 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:05:03; thestringpuller: when did businessinsider become gawker?

22:20:05 mircea_popescu: fluffypony im sure it's so totally going to work like all the previous attempts did, which is why we're here.

22:20:19 bitstein: mircea_popescu: I am under the impression that if they wanted to, kako or nano could publish ratings under any name as they please. Is this correct? If so, how can someone viewing the WoT db have certainty that information they see is as the rater intended? GPG signing would be one solution.

22:21:07 mircea_popescu: bitstein this is true for both of them, currently. this happens to also not be a problem because a) they could do this once ; and b) the way you're supposed to use this tool is by asking the raters about their ratings.

22:21:16 mircea_popescu: as pere the entire "wot is not an oilfield with trust as oil".

22:21:48 jurov: !rate bitstein -10 fake rating

22:21:48 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/fe66fb89030ffb97

22:21:50 mircea_popescu: note that changing this model for "maintain signed ratings" does not help : either of them could show OLD rather than current ratings, which would still be undetectable.

22:23:17 bitstein: mircea_popescu: b is an important point, thanks. As for old rather than current ratings, that's where shasums and deedbot could come in to help.

22:23:26 mircea_popescu: how ?

22:23:58 jurov: bitstein, looks like you want to reinvent the blockchain or sidechain

22:24:01 mircea_popescu: on the other side of the fence there is this (i suspect irrational) notion that pumping out signed material weakens the signer key.

22:27:37 bitstein: mircea_popescu: you would have the hash of the db timestamped, so you can verify that the rating is current as of a certain point (given you have the data to recreate the hash)

22:27:51 mircea_popescu: how would you know when the rating's supposed to be ?

22:27:57 mircea_popescu: i have ratings i made 2 years ago.

22:28:41 indiancandy1: soo

22:28:44 indiancandy1: wat u doin

22:29:14 mircea_popescu: talkin to guys. you ?

22:29:47 mircea_popescu: bitstein take otc-wot rating #14167 on pirateat40, made 2012-08-29 03:14:41. how do you know this is current ?

22:30:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14995 @ 0.00025247 = 3.7858 BTC [+]

22:31:25 bitstein: mircea_popescu: Right, it wouldn't prevent the server from not publishing a rating

22:31:30 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065261 << omaigawds stop your fud, everyone knows the turing machine only had 1 and 0. 2256 should be plenty for everyone.

22:31:30 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:29:55; Adlai: still a little silly for the platform bandied about as turing-complete to lack actual bignums

22:32:22 mircea_popescu: bitstein inasmuch as you want a central repository, you're stuck with a central repository. if you look into the design papers / discussions around gossipd, this is also a well solved problem, just,

22:32:28 mircea_popescu: takes a while to implement, because

22:32:31 mircea_popescu: ;;seen artifexd

22:32:31 gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <artifexd> Oh, actually that is complaining about one of the golang tools. And it would be dangerous if you had a MITM that could swap out code inflight and were importing external code directly.

22:32:43 mircea_popescu: hm, he had a link with the fixing the lightbulb thing. anyway.

22:33:04 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065266 << it is iirc.

22:33:04 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:34:10; *: Adlai is fairly certain that phuctor is written in cl

22:33:52 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065270 << there is the !t command. but i think the idea is, if you see it happen you hafta say.

22:33:52 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:55:12; PeterL: https://bitbet.us/bet/1127/qntra-to-the-moon/ uses assbot at a resolution source, does assbot keep historical price records?

22:34:32 artifexd: The implementation isn't that hard. It is the education that is time consuming.

22:35:32 mircea_popescu: implementation without education bears monsters.

22:35:40 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065298 << yeah that's kinda what keeps these in line.

22:35:40 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 17:30:36; PeterL: what I mean is there is such a small amount bet on the bet, you might spend more than you would win holding the price up. Spend tens of btc to win .003 btc?

22:36:39 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065314 << the basic idea, idiot hostile hardware, is a brilliant idea.

22:36:39 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 17:54:27; ascii_field: the basic idea - owner-hostile hardware - is gaining ground.

22:36:55 mircea_popescu: this notion that "any people is a people" and computer should be nice to everyone that touches it is nonsense.

22:37:07 mircea_popescu: computer is a woman. it's the woman's job to make loser's life insufferable.

22:37:18 bitstein: mircea_popescu: Thanks. I'll continue reading/thinking about it.

22:37:26 mircea_popescu: sole purpose the world even exists.

22:37:37 mircea_popescu: bitstein what are you trying to do incidentally ?

22:39:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11215 @ 0.00025068 = 2.8114 BTC [-] {2}

22:41:46 bitstein: mircea_popescu: I've just been playing with gpg authentication in flask, and I'm trying to better understand how the WoT (in its current implementation) mitigates various risks.

22:42:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17577 @ 0.00024634 = 4.3299 BTC [-] {2}

22:42:32 mircea_popescu: aha. worthy goal.

22:42:56 nubbins`: ^

22:45:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10435 @ 0.00024818 = 2.5898 BTC [+]

22:52:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the entire "cinavia" stuff, it seems to me trivial to bypass.

22:53:01 mircea_popescu: then again, i have actually never used a "music cd player", and i don't imagine i ever will.

22:55:07 mircea_popescu: the entire "the watermark is able to survive recording through microphones" is utter bull, so it defeats analog copy. you can trivially remasterize a soundtrack, and if you know what to look for you just nuke it and nobody will even know.

22:55:14 brendafdez: "Even if distribution as a means of payment continues to increase, the system's advantage – decentralization – is also its biggest drawback. Unlike legal tender, there is no authority that guarantees the value of the currency, and bitcoin does not benefit from the resulting confidence. In the end, this confidence is crucial for any currency whose usage extends beyond the exchange of goods." https://www.credit-suisse.com/ch/en/ne

22:55:14 assbot: Document not found - Credit Suisse ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjkfN9 )

22:55:14 brendafdez: ws-and-expertise/news/banking.article.html/article/pwp/news-and-expertise/2015/03/en/bitcoins-money-without-physical-form.html

22:55:19 brendafdez: https://www.credit-suisse.com/ch/en/news-and-expertise/news/banking.article.html/article/pwp/news-and-expertise/2015/03/en/bitcoins-money-without-physical-form.html

22:55:23 assbot: Bitcoins – Money Without Physical Form  - Banking - Credit Suisse ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjkhEH )

22:55:26 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the costs for this pointless idiocy is, that somehow a "commercial" product became MANDATORY.

22:55:32 mircea_popescu: this is not worth the foregoing even if it worked.

22:55:52 mircea_popescu: brendafdez yeah, they'd know.

22:56:19 mircea_popescu: i'm personally waiting for the credit suisse article about the loss of confidence in swiss banks as a result of them selling out their customers to usg & friends.

22:56:42 mircea_popescu: somehow they're not as emphatically knowledgeable on that topic. good that they know how to posture about "confidence" re bitcoin instead.

22:57:16 mircea_popescu: ima go read this article right before i go interview some lepers about best hygiene and diet practices.

22:57:23 brendafdez: the future holds much lols ahead

22:58:06 mircea_popescu: "On 5 June 2009, the licensing agreements for AACS were finalized, which were updated to make Cinavia detection on commercial Blu-ray Disc players a requirement. On 3 July 2009, Maxim Anisiutkin published an open source DVD Audio watermark detector and neutralizer computer program to the SourceForge web site. The software package contains a detailed description of the method and embedding parameters used in creating th

22:58:06 mircea_popescu: e DVD Audio or SDMI (Secure Digital Music Initiative) watermark, which was created by Verance Inc and was the earlier version of the Cinavia watermarking technology."

22:58:09 mircea_popescu: heh nm me.

23:00:01 mircea_popescu: nubbins` : one face : name, nickname, key. other face : qntra verbiage.

23:01:24 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065371 << different height different distance different usable cargoload.

23:01:24 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 18:11:57; PeterL: wright brothers were working in their garage

23:02:12 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065377 << well, at least it's one that admits to it. new york times is a publicly traded non profit.

23:02:12 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 18:12:56; funkenstein_: it's a publicly traded non profit ?

23:04:05 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065420 << he's not a cunt, he's a typical usg bureaucrat.

23:04:05 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 18:54:36; nubbins`: "Things we dont need: " <followed by several actual solutions

23:04:35 mircea_popescu: if you spend any time talking to us congressmen and senators, various czars of agencies large or small, etc etc, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing that ends up coallescing.

23:05:00 mircea_popescu: there was a video with a poor chinese guy trying to explain to a roomfull of idiots that you can't make square circles or something.

23:06:28 mircea_popescu: "freebsdgirl" loller.

23:06:30 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

23:07:02 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065450 << you can train children to do anything. for some reason usians chose to train them to eat that sutff.

23:07:02 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 19:14:34; nubbins`: tv;dw: kids are shown raw truth of chicken nuggets being made from scratch, right in front of them, "EWW GROSSS" etc, then all clamor over each other to eat the fried result


23:07:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00024644 = 4.8056 BTC [-] {3}

23:07:53 ascii_modem: somehow a "commercial" product became MANDATORY. << ample precedent, e.g., 'macrovision'

23:07:55 mircea_popescu: that and beatings.

23:08:04 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem how is it commercial then ?

23:08:08 mircea_popescu: it's cohercial product.

23:08:14 nubbins`: mircea_popescu these business cards will be a headless chicken unless either (a) someone decides on basics like paper/ink color or (b) you give me free reign and accept that some/all recipients will be sad pandas

23:08:41 ascii_modem: and cleaning watermarks up without introducing palpable noise is harder than it looks

23:08:41 mircea_popescu: nubbins` atm im waiting a little to give teh interested parties chance to take over the process.

23:08:45 mircea_popescu: after which we see.

23:08:51 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem why ?

23:08:59 nubbins`: np, understood

23:09:02 mircea_popescu: identify the mark spots, revert half.

23:09:08 ascii_modem: no spots

23:09:12 mircea_popescu: orly.

23:09:20 mircea_popescu: ftr, it seems a 13% decrease in pitch defeats it

23:09:28 mircea_popescu: and actually a bevy of other such measures.

23:09:40 ascii_modem: waveform composited onto signal

23:09:46 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem think about it,it ?HAS to be sampled. of course spots.

23:10:00 ascii_modem: 13 pitch - lol now sounds like broken tape

23:10:10 *: BingoBoingo liked the Black and Gold, just thinks the text needs a tweak.

23:10:20 ascii_modem: no spots unless retarded engineer

23:10:24 mircea_popescu: right.

23:10:35 ascii_modem: affects -whole- signal

23:10:46 ascii_modem: additive wave

23:10:54 mircea_popescu: i am willing to stake money on the lemma that "no method of publicly accessible encoding into audio signal can be made that can not also be reversed".

23:11:11 mircea_popescu: this isn't g p fuckin' g over here.

23:11:23 ascii_modem: exists for graphics- stirmark contest

23:11:31 jurov: wow mircea can revert wav-> mp3 ?

23:11:36 ascii_modem: so far stirmark wins always

23:11:43 mircea_popescu: eh no fuckin way.

23:11:54 ascii_modem: but audio has a good bit of slack bs video

23:11:57 ascii_modem: vs

23:12:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem so you're telling me there's f(data, pic.png) - > pic1.png so that a) i can read f and b) i can't didle pic1.png into pic2.png so you can't read data ?

23:12:22 ascii_modem: (stirmark is open src app for zapping graphical watermarks)

23:12:32 ascii_modem: always can

23:12:36 mircea_popescu: exactly.

23:12:39 ascii_modem: make it all black

23:12:39 mircea_popescu: sound no different.

23:12:45 mircea_popescu: nonono

23:12:52 mircea_popescu: they stay pic.png

23:13:17 mircea_popescu: jurov sure ?

23:13:22 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

23:13:32 jurov: mircea_popescu: if i encode wav-> mp3 and place barely audible artifacts just so

23:13:36 jurov: how do you revert?

23:13:36 ascii_modem: the correct solution always removes. recall radio jammer thread.

23:13:40 indiancandy1: hiyaback biatches

23:13:47 jurov: you can jam but not revert

23:13:51 mircea_popescu: jurov ffmpeg jurov.mp3 jurov.wav

23:13:58 jurov: lmaoooo

23:14:01 mircea_popescu: yes!

23:14:02 ascii_modem: but you don't always -have- the decoder

23:14:08 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem but here yo udo.

23:14:23 jurov: the decoder will either reover the artifacts as intended

23:14:27 ascii_modem: unless enemy foolishly gave it to you

23:14:28 jurov: or introduce other ones

23:14:33 mircea_popescu: pfff.

23:14:41 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem consumer fucking products. the decoder is open.

23:14:50 indiancandy1: whose got instagram

23:14:52 ascii_modem: here you do. just need electron microskop

23:15:04 mircea_popescu: not what we were discussing tho.

23:15:37 ascii_modem: if you have it in software, there is no real puzzle

23:15:44 mircea_popescu: argument to fucking ignorance, all this. "here's the fence that i made. it doesn't work, but if everyone made fences and we all agreed not to jump them then nobody could tell the difference"

23:15:49 mircea_popescu: yeah dude, totally. sounds like a plan

23:15:55 mircea_popescu: a plan to make a lot of mongol babies.

23:15:56 ascii_modem: aha drm folk

23:16:06 brendafdez: dont defeat the defeatable fence or else...

23:16:22 mircea_popescu: and this brings us to the actual point i was making :

23:16:29 mircea_popescu: it RUINS people, this. their minds, it rots.

23:16:36 nubbins`: re: wav->mp3->wav

23:16:38 mircea_popescu: living in this circumstance is very very bad because it makes one stupid.

23:16:49 mircea_popescu: once your "commerical products" are "mandatory" it's not just music you broke. you broke economy.

23:16:51 nubbins`: please tell me that you're not implying you can reconstruct lost information discarded by a codec

23:16:54 funkenstein_: You can?t never go wrong cuttin? fence.?Always cut fence. -- seldom seen smith

23:17:00 mircea_popescu: now your kids won't be able to compete with their kids, because your kids are stupid.

23:17:01 nubbins`: is this like CSI security cam footage?

23:17:03 ascii_modem: incidentally it is worth remembering how it works

23:17:09 nubbins`: *clickity clack* "enhance"

23:17:11 mircea_popescu: and then you spend more to educate them, and the more you spend the stupider they get.

23:17:24 ascii_modem: idiot hollywood types -demand- drm snakeoil

23:17:28 mircea_popescu: and so you lost at life, all through this inept bullshit of "if we pretend it works anyway it'll really work!!1"

23:17:37 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem who asked them anything /

23:17:49 jurov: mircea your premise is good but arguments flawed

23:17:51 indiancandy1: u lot are deep

23:17:52 ascii_modem: charlatans materialize always, to give it to them

23:17:54 indiancandy1: always ignore me

23:17:55 indiancandy1: deeep

23:17:56 mircea_popescu: this is the almighty, societal-saving importance of "fhut the suck up, nobody asked you anything"

23:18:06 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 well we don't use instagram!

23:18:34 ascii_modem: except hollywood and 'intellectual property' racket in general is core usg

23:18:49 mircea_popescu: it can be the core of its own mother for all the difference it makes.

23:18:49 brendafdez: indiancandy1 i'm not deep, just like pretending sometimes. those who are see right thru :3

23:19:13 mircea_popescu: "sorry to tell you sir, you have cancer" "you know who i am ? i am the usg czar for rounded corners" "oh, in that case...umm... it's a skin condition. put some aloe on it."

23:19:39 ascii_modem: whip the sea

23:19:51 ascii_modem: but also the soldiers

23:19:52 indiancandy1: yes i figured

23:19:56 indiancandy1: u are a big softy

23:19:58 indiancandy1: mp

23:20:07 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 ever seen my penis btw ?

23:20:17 ascii_modem: it was posted

23:20:19 brendafdez: indiancandy1 thats a compliment? bi softy

23:20:20 nubbins`: heh

23:20:21 mircea_popescu: jurov im not so sure. then again im clueless enough about this stuff...

23:20:42 mircea_popescu: mine's perforce a very theoretical perspective.

23:20:57 ascii_modem: brb buying compressor hose (srsly)

23:21:07 mircea_popescu: don't insert in anuses!

23:21:11 nubbins`: srsly!

23:21:16 nubbins`: dat embolism

23:21:16 jurov: youre talking about "reverting" when you mean jamming the watermark

23:21:28 indiancandy1: no

23:21:32 indiancandy1: mp u wana send me a pic

23:21:34 indiancandy1: LOOOL

23:21:38 indiancandy1: brenda is in the buidling

23:21:41 indiancandy1: hey brenda babe

23:22:02 brendafdez: indiancandy1 hey :)

23:22:08 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 http://fraudsters.com/2010/nsfw-pula-mea/

23:22:09 assbot: NSFW - Pula mea pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjqNvi )

23:22:29 jurov: sup indiancandy1

23:22:32 mircea_popescu: jurov myeah.

23:22:50 mircea_popescu: nubbins` exploded cavitous organs != embolism yo.

23:23:42 indiancandy1: is that a dildo

23:23:45 indiancandy1: wtf is that

23:23:51 mircea_popescu: ha!

23:23:57 indiancandy1: dnt tell meu fuck ur bitches with that

23:24:01 mircea_popescu: when one gets camho's going "Wtf is that"...

23:24:19 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 it's why anal sex is best sex. unlike vagina, ass just keeps going.

23:24:42 brendafdez: mircea_popescu you did post pictures of an actual penis in some other fraudsters article, if I remember right...

23:25:05 indiancandy1: u give anal

23:25:11 indiancandy1: or take it up thre bum

23:25:11 mircea_popescu: don't normal-opress my cock yo!

23:25:47 mircea_popescu: also, people, tuna is to be canned in oil not fucking water wtf is this.

23:26:03 punkman: watery tuna is for noobs

23:26:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00024595 = 2.0045 BTC [-]

23:26:38 mircea_popescu: real transylvanians have their tuna canned in hard cream!

23:27:03 indiancandy1: ni

23:27:05 indiancandy1: no btw

23:27:08 indiancandy1: tuna is canned in

23:27:12 indiancandy1: oil or brine or water

23:27:23 punkman: http://www.interaltus.ee/img/284153615.JPG

23:27:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cjs0mg )

23:27:29 brendafdez: mircea_popescu here http://fraudsters.com/2013/why-i-am-not-a-white-nationalist/

23:27:30 assbot: "Why I am not a white nationalist" pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cjs3yp )

23:27:30 punkman: has to be olive

23:27:51 mircea_popescu: ahaha flattering, but it's only a model.

23:28:59 mircea_popescu: shit that was a long article. almost as long as the dong.

23:29:41 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065536

23:29:41 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 19:46:26; nubbins`: "do you have a card?" "no" "....."

23:29:55 mircea_popescu: ayup.

23:30:09 nubbins`: have had happen, it's embarassing.

23:30:52 mircea_popescu: mp often turns and goes "give him a card" like he's teh baws of it all.

23:31:26 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065551 << thing is, i'm not so invested in being remembered by my card.

23:31:26 assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 19:51:37; ascii_field: but most of all, memorable

23:32:02 nubbins`: name's more memorable

23:32:22 nubbins`: every nose that's wrinkled in disgust at our business name is a nose that'll remember it

23:32:44 mircea_popescu: "i always remember not to order from these weirdos"

23:33:12 mircea_popescu: "you said you want an escort ?" "yes. but not pink lips studios! I HAVE TRIGGERS"

23:33:21 nubbins`: heh

23:33:42 nubbins`: should be a fun summer for us this year

23:33:47 nubbins`: big competition is changing hands

23:33:58 mircea_popescu: (for a while highschool convention on "who's going" was... wearing pink lipstick. then tattoos got started.)

23:35:16 mircea_popescu: i sort-of wonder what kids do today

23:35:19 mircea_popescu: prolly an app huh.

23:35:39 nubbins`: yeah

23:35:43 nubbins`: sextogram or something

23:36:09 mircea_popescu: seems reasonable. "if can't find her naked pics anywhere, no point bothering with her"

23:36:14 nubbins`: the fact that the competition is changing hands, incidentally, is made slightly more interesting by the fact that pascale is precisely half of the employee list of the competition

23:36:23 nubbins`: 8)

23:36:32 mircea_popescu: "big" === "two employees" ?

23:36:57 nubbins`: 3-4

23:37:02 mircea_popescu: you're just a bunch of weird bored middle class dudes in a cul de sac somewhere pretending to be printing in between wife swappings aren;t you.

23:37:07 nubbins`: heh.

23:37:23 nubbins`: send me $100 and a mailing address

23:37:34 mircea_popescu: lol

23:37:55 mircea_popescu: sort-of like dallas and stuff of the era. "now you're married to her and running this company. ok, now she moves on to him, and the company to him, etc"

23:38:26 mircea_popescu: what was it, the seinfeld contemporaneous thing

23:38:32 mircea_popescu: melrose place.

23:40:28 nubbins`: all play and no work makes a tv drama

23:40:45 nubbins`: anyway, even two printers can pump out a massive volume of shirts

23:40:49 indiancandy1: gosh

23:41:13 nubbins`: "big competition" total incoming/outgoing maybe 900btc/year

23:41:23 mircea_popescu: yeah indiancandy1 why don't you live like that ? find some nice boring guys to get spitroasted by.

23:41:39 indiancandy1: im a shit gold digger

23:41:44 indiancandy1: i cnt sleep with ugly rich guys

23:41:47 indiancandy1: else i would

23:41:48 mircea_popescu: why not ?!

23:41:50 indiancandy1: n not be broke

23:41:51 indiancandy1: i duno

23:41:54 indiancandy1: if fucks with my head man

23:41:59 mircea_popescu: that's thje idea.

23:42:01 indiancandy1: coz i met plenty

23:42:07 indiancandy1: i never met a hot rich guy who aint a player

23:42:14 mircea_popescu: duh.

23:42:17 indiancandy1: lol

23:42:19 indiancandy1: why duh

23:42:30 mircea_popescu: obviously a hot rich guy isn't going to monogamy.

23:43:31 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

23:43:42 mircea_popescu: til nubbins` is ugly.

23:43:44 indiancandy1: exactly

23:43:47 indiancandy1: i met ugly rich guys

23:43:50 indiancandy1: who wanna settle

23:43:51 indiancandy1: i cnt do it

23:43:54 indiancandy1: nasty ofos

23:43:55 indiancandy1: mofos

23:44:06 mircea_popescu: well you settle for a little.

23:44:45 indiancandy1: huh

23:44:48 indiancandy1: i kno

23:44:49 indiancandy1: i swear

23:44:52 indiancandy1: i wish i could

23:44:52 indiancandy1: man

23:44:55 indiancandy1: i hate myself

23:45:30 mircea_popescu: this seems to be a theme here. but i thought only guys did it.

23:45:50 brendafdez: hating themselves?

23:45:53 mircea_popescu: yeah.

23:46:06 indiancandy1: lol

23:46:07 mircea_popescu: (obv. im being facetious. you know this, but the guys themselves don't. )

23:46:17 indiancandy1: do you hate yourself

23:46:21 mircea_popescu: me ? nah.

23:46:39 mircea_popescu: i let others do the hard work.

23:47:36 indiancandy1: no one hates you

23:47:39 indiancandy1: why would they

23:47:45 indiancandy1: u a big softy

23:47:56 brendafdez: because he says ugly turths

23:48:20 indiancandy1: who owns woodcoin

23:48:22 mircea_popescu: brendafdez more "because he seems to know it hurts and be amused by the circumstance"

23:48:40 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i own some! but otherwise, funkenstein

23:48:51 indiancandy1: any goodd?

23:48:54 mircea_popescu: neah.

23:51:03 indiancandy1: mircea

23:51:12 indiancandy1: kefatch

23:51:18 indiancandy1: aahahah sorry

23:51:25 indiancandy1: im tryna learn romanian

23:51:35 mircea_popescu: ce faci :p

23:53:34 indiancandy1: wat u doing babes

23:53:45 mircea_popescu: reading, mostly.

23:53:53 indiancandy1: about

23:54:08 mircea_popescu: the article with the penis brendafdez linked above.

23:54:22 mircea_popescu: it's pretty fucking stupid, i dunno why i keep doing this thing where i comment on some idiot's rants.

23:54:33 brendafdez: i don't multithread, if I'm here I'm just here, reading the channel.

23:54:38 mircea_popescu: sure, gets in some good points from the side, but the deluge of dumb brings the whole thing down.

23:54:51 mircea_popescu: brendafdez im also eating chocolatebananaraisin with san juan.

23:55:06 indiancandy1: whats san juan

23:55:14 brendafdez: chocolatebananaraisin? sounds good... i guess

23:55:19 indiancandy1: WHAT is that

23:55:27 nubbins`: i'll never be ugly

23:55:28 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 this local cognac thing. pretty good

23:55:37 indiancandy1: its alcohol

23:55:45 mircea_popescu: nubbins` to your credit, i thought you were way fatter than the cats show.

23:55:50 indiancandy1: whats the chocolateraisin a donut

23:56:13 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 no the actual ingredients. a bag of pasas de uva. a bag of la pinocha. a banana.

23:56:32 indiancandy1: i wish i knew what u were talking about

23:56:40 indiancandy1: im not from argentina not familiar bro

23:56:45 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 anyway, why not study to be a nurse ? it pays well.

23:56:52 indiancandy1: my moms a nurse

23:56:56 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm comely when supine

23:57:01 indiancandy1: she is a gum nurse

23:57:06 mircea_popescu: you'll still be catering to ugly old schmoes, but at least this tiem have a good pretext.

23:57:10 nubbins`: you should see me on top ;/

23:57:11 indiancandy1: sexual health

23:57:17 mircea_popescu: plus if you suck a cock once in a blue moon you'll be popular as all hell.

23:57:24 indiancandy1: nurses dont get paid good in the uk

23:57:32 mircea_popescu: srsly ?!

23:57:35 nubbins`: but at least the meds are cheap

23:57:38 indiancandy1: around 1200 gbp

23:57:43 indiancandy1: for 5days a week

23:57:43 mircea_popescu: no fucking way ?!

23:57:54 mircea_popescu: they make easily twice that in the us.

23:58:00 indiancandy1: 1200 pounds a month

23:58:07 indiancandy1: yea but healthcare isnt free in usa

23:58:09 indiancandy1: like here

23:58:18 nubbins`: free isn't free 8)

23:58:26 indiancandy1: maybe private health care nurse make more

23:58:28 brendafdez: hahah was going to say that, no free lunch

23:58:32 indiancandy1: but my mom is sexual health clinic

23:58:35 indiancandy1: so thats free

23:58:41 mircea_popescu: what's she do there ?

23:59:42 indiancandy1: shes a nurse for sexual health

23:59:47 indiancandy1: for ladies