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00:22:01 KRS-1: !seen bowjob

00:22:58 deadweasel: ;;seen bowjob

00:23:22 KRS-1: wheres he gone to?

00:24:44 deadweasel: same place as smickles?

00:24:57 deadweasel: bitcoin heaven?

00:24:59 deadweasel: i dunno.

00:25:00 thestringpuller: ;;seen mircea_popescu

00:25:26 thestringpuller: usagi...that nigga still owe me five dollars!!!!

00:32:59 furuknap: Someone put up a 499 sell-wall on BTCT AM at ฿2.6. Selling that off at market would bring AM down to 0.002 but still net the seller ฿2+/share >:-)

00:33:27 furuknap: Would be fun to cause some panic :-)

00:53:42 kakobrekla: 0.005 O_O

00:53:55 Namworld: yeah, I just noticed

00:54:06 Namworld: So of course I got some more out there

00:56:06 Namworld: Lately there's lots of bids on BTCTC popping up for MPEx PTs

00:56:15 Namworld: That are a lot higher than MPEx price

01:04:01 thestringpuller: kakobrekla is da coolest

01:04:14 thestringpuller: he is like the ninja finance gangsta up in here

01:04:30 kakobrekla: milk.

01:04:49 thestringpuller: I'm lactose intolerant.

01:04:56 thestringpuller: I'm sorry mr. milkman.

01:04:58 kakobrekla: awww.

01:13:00 Namworld: ninja finance gangsta? What did he accomplish to deserve such a prestigious title?

01:14:18 truffles: sit on irc ldo

01:15:48 Namworld: But I sit on IRC all day too

01:16:04 truffles: channel mod irc

01:16:20 Namworld: pff

01:16:37 truffles: thats pretty important u know

01:16:47 Namworld: Nonsense

01:17:45 truffles: his reign shall be remembered through time

01:18:37 Namworld: Oops, didn't mean to crush you

01:18:53 kakobrekla: O_o

01:19:13 Namworld: I'm after your title or something

01:19:21 Namworld: With all the honors that go with it.

01:19:49 truffles: make another channel done

01:21:03 ThickAsThieves: jot hot arb?

01:21:11 ThickAsThieves: hot hot *

01:21:29 truffles: 1480 is that a lot

01:22:59 Namworld: Not whole lots

01:33:49 benkay_: how would one arb that?

01:34:00 benkay_: buy shares on mpex, issue them as a pt on one of the other exchanges?

01:34:18 benkay_: sounds like more overhead than your typical arb action...

01:35:45 dub: iirc some dice pt's offer transfers

01:35:55 dub: in and out of mpex

01:40:39 Namworld: Yeah

01:42:49 Bugpowder: oh sweet

01:42:59 benkay_: what's that, bp?

01:43:01 Bugpowder: someone sold the S.DICE

01:44:01 Namworld: What SDICE?

01:44:06 Namworld: You're buying?

01:44:35 Namworld: You were the one with that 100k order around 0.002?

01:45:46 Bugpowder: Am I crazy?

01:45:56 Bugpowder: what am I missing here?

01:46:11 Bugpowder: should S.DICE not be a buy at .002?

01:46:46 dub: I wouldnt touch it with mircea's

01:46:53 ThickAsThieves: they aare like -2500 profit this month

01:47:05 ThickAsThieves: blocked us traffic from website

01:47:18 Bugpowder: yeah but volume is actually up since they blocked traffic

01:47:22 ThickAsThieves: and have been faltering for 3mos

01:47:23 dub: eric is still a cooze

01:47:36 ThickAsThieves: traffic is erik iO

01:47:37 furuknap: Volume doesn't gewnerate money.

01:47:39 dub: ;;ud cooze

01:47:40 ThickAsThieves: imo

01:47:51 Bugpowder: furuknap: volume generates money.

01:47:58 Bugpowder: that is the only thing that generates money

01:48:02 Bugpowder: 1.9%

01:48:12 benkay_: !ticker m ^oix

01:48:20 Bugpowder: I dunno, I tend to buy when everyone is very negative and sell when people are ecstatic

01:48:22 benkay_: wow, really?

01:48:36 ThickAsThieves: ill buy at .001

01:48:54 ThickAsThieves: ...maybe

01:49:24 Bugpowder: for example, I would sell the shit out of ASICMINER if I had any

01:49:36 benkay_: is oix working?

01:49:55 truffles: sdice confidence seems rly low

01:50:10 Namworld: I do the same, bugpowder

01:50:56 pgp: I agree, ASICMINER seems way over bought to me...

01:52:07 furuknap: Theres a 500 sell wall @฿2.6. Three thousand shares moved to BTCT recently. Auction for 2.500 more.

01:52:25 furuknap: *2,500, not 2.5 :-)

01:52:52 furuknap: Methinks that overbuying is about to be replaced by overselling.

01:54:58 furuknap: Now that 100TH has said their enroute, meaning Bitfury is also enroute, AM may get some hefty competition this summer.

01:55:22 furuknap: Frack, my spelling sucks ass tonight. I have to hit the sack.

01:56:18 dub: its neat how you know that when someones talks about timing in seasons they are talking about american seasons

01:57:08 furuknap: Realizing I'm the center of the universe, I talk about Norwegian summers because I'm in Norway. Everything else is irrelevant.

01:57:12 dub: because only americans either casually dismiss the existance of the rest of the planet or have a 5 year olds understanding of geography

01:57:34 truffles: dub not american?

01:57:35 pgp: lol

01:57:49 truffles: im shocked

01:58:28 truffles: who's gonna police the world, who's gonna step up huh huh huh

02:11:01 Diablo-D3: so what happened to the AM div?

02:12:43 Namworld: No idea

02:12:59 dub: got mine (direct)

02:18:05 ThickAsThieves: my direct divs are still unconfirmed

02:20:07 dub: oh, yeah

02:20:15 dub: didn't actually check

02:20:21 thestringpuller: is Bugpowder still here?

02:20:23 dub: fee too small eh

02:20:26 thestringpuller: Haven't seen dat nigga in awhile.

02:20:29 Bugpowder: yep

02:20:37 thestringpuller: Bugpowder the super rich.

02:20:56 thestringpuller: What's the game plan.

02:21:00 error4733: everyone is super rich here

02:21:07 error4733: we got bitcoin !

02:21:14 Bugpowder: Pacers need to stop turning the ball over

02:21:20 Bugpowder: but looking good

02:21:27 ThickAsThieves: Bug, do you happen to have any updates about best way to deal with bitcoin income and taxes?

02:21:29 truffles: oh look some1 watches sports

02:21:47 Bugpowder: yeah talked to a CPA

02:22:00 Bugpowder: hère let me find something...

02:22:04 ThickAsThieves: cool

02:22:21 Bugpowder: I need to redact some shit

02:22:55 ThickAsThieves: word

02:26:21 Bugpowder: There are no correct answers.

02:26:25 Bugpowder: First thing: if we want, we can pay an attorney for some kind of an opinion.  What we are looking for is that you are is not a bitcoin dealer and not in the business of selling bitcoins (bc that triggers higher rates).  It doesn’t nec mean a lot, and could help or hurt our taxes.

02:26:31 Bugpowder: He thinks that we can do capital gains/losses. He doesn’t have any other advice out of what we sent him. There is no actual correct rule.

02:26:46 Bugpowder: The thing that concerns him, is the Mt Gox account.  He says on our 2013 tax return, we need to disclose on 1040B.  Then file all the foreign forms,.  If you have more than $10 K / 50K ever in a foreign account, you need to disclose. 

02:26:51 Bugpowder: Ways to account it:

02:26:52 Bugpowder: First in first out. Another one is average cost.  First in first out will probably be the easiest way to handle it.

02:26:53 Bugpowder: He says treat it like Beanie Babies or stock.  (collectible or stocks.)

02:27:02 Bugpowder: Penalties:

02:27:04 Bugpowder: If you pay 110% of the taxes that you paid for the last year, you are penalty proof on the next year even if the income really goes up. 

02:27:04 Bugpowder:  So if we have paid in 110% of this year, then we will be penalty proof next year.  So I need to pay an extra 10% this year of line 61. 

02:27:05 Bugpowder: Line 61 says $xxx.  We can end in an estimated payment for 1040ES.

02:32:56 ThickAsThieves: thanks bug

02:34:05 dub: wtf

02:34:24 dub: oh options

02:35:11 thestringpuller: Bugpowder what's the strategy this month?

02:35:17 thestringpuller: ALL IN ON ASICMINER!!!!!!

02:35:21 ThickAsThieves: hehe

02:35:30 Bugpowder: short asicminer

02:35:33 Bugpowder: lol

02:35:37 Bugpowder: I duuno

02:35:43 Bugpowder: I think S.DICE is a good buy right now

02:35:50 Bugpowder: I missed the AM train though

02:35:50 thestringpuller: what's mpoe at

02:35:52 Bugpowder: :(

02:35:55 thestringpuller: !last m S.MPOE

02:36:00 dub: theres a lot more retard left in AM I think

02:36:01 thestringpuller: mpoe might be a good by

02:36:04 thestringpuller: buy*

02:36:06 dub: its gonna hit 4

02:36:52 Bugpowder: there could be more retard left

02:36:54 Bugpowder: I agree

02:37:32 ThickAsThieves: yeah it might dip a little thisweek,

02:37:40 ThickAsThieves: but there's a lil more steam in AM i think

02:37:48 dub: retards panicing about unconfirmed tx

02:38:28 aknap3: it'll be fine -- just got that massive auction, and a couple of walls to wait out

02:38:38 aknap3: in the meantime, sell... to me

02:44:28 kakobrekla: 0.008 works too

02:45:01 Bugpowder: .008 oooooops

02:45:05 Bugpowder: 1 share

02:45:36 kakobrekla: proof of concept :)

02:58:22 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/22/4356196/report-tells-congress-companies-should-hack-back?utm_source=feedly

03:05:37 dub: colleague made a good point earlier today, in china they train hacking openly, in the west we treat hackers like criminals

03:05:52 dub: small wonder they are ahead of the game

03:08:28 pgp: indeed

03:08:52 pgp: and we're fighting this fight with one hand tied behind our backs

03:17:13 Chaang-Noi: i dont like irc spammmerz :(

03:17:24 dub: join #bitcoin-trollbox then

03:17:41 Chaang-Noi: pm spam

03:17:58 dub: join #bitcoin-trollbox then

03:17:59 Chaang-Noi: not talking about anyone anyone said in this chan, just spammers who pm me about random shit

03:18:11 dub: join #bitcoin-trollbox then

03:18:12 Chaang-Noi: fuck i need cooffee

03:34:27 ThickAsThieves: well then! ^

03:47:42 Diablo-D3: FINALLY

03:47:43 Diablo-D3: THE AM DIV

03:47:52 ThickAsThieves: hehe

03:48:20 ThickAsThieves: mine is still unconfirmed

03:48:39 Diablo-D3: its unconfirmed here too

03:48:42 Diablo-D3: but at least now I see it

03:49:14 ThickAsThieves: oh

03:49:28 ThickAsThieves: didnt realize it was THAT bad

03:57:45 Chaang-Noi: its just insane how fast the value of AM has gone up

03:58:10 Chaang-Noi: honestly i would ave sold more lower if i had the time

03:59:04 Namworld: I need to short these AM shares

04:00:02 ThickAsThieves: no one will short them the timframe you'd need to make decent money

04:01:25 ThickAsThieves: if you wanna short them so bad, write some Calls

04:04:20 Namworld: I can't write calls without shares...

04:04:29 Namworld: and that means buying them at current prices...

04:04:50 Namworld: Kind of the opposite of what I want to achieve

04:05:31 ThickAsThieves: i realized that was probly the case after i said it

04:05:39 ThickAsThieves: what kind of short would you want

04:05:44 ThickAsThieves: minimum timeframe

04:06:36 Namworld: Something like 2-3 months

04:06:42 ThickAsThieves: everyone keep saying they wanna short it, but no one is making real offers

04:07:15 ThickAsThieves: at what strike/price?

04:07:22 ericmuyser: what you want is to buy good puts but there are none :)

04:08:09 Namworld: Depends if it's a borrowed shares to be returned later with a bonus kind of short or puts contract kind of short

04:08:21 Chaang-Noi: mp was trying to short at 1 btc lol :) sadly i dont trust him eough or i would ahve done it for the lulz

04:08:29 Namworld: Probably like 2.4 strike

04:08:32 Chaang-Noi: 2.5 is a reasonable place to short

04:09:04 ericmuyser: ^

04:09:31 ThickAsThieves: at what qty and premium?

04:10:04 Namworld: Probably like 100 @ 0.10 premium

04:10:35 ThickAsThieves: not worth tying up the shares for that

04:10:43 ThickAsThieves: could hit 3

04:11:05 ThickAsThieves: you want what no one is selling

04:11:24 Namworld: Yeah, no one is because they believe price will crash

04:11:46 ThickAsThieves: we'll see!

04:11:48 Namworld: If they think price will keep stable/keep raising, it's a good deal. 0.10 BTC per share without losing them.

04:11:53 ericmuyser: it will before the next divs

04:12:11 Namworld: Well not per share... per 2.4 BTC

04:12:22 ThickAsThieves: what if i wanted to sell at 2.8

04:12:39 Namworld: Puts are backed by BTC actually...

04:12:46 Namworld: Now that I think of it.

04:12:57 Namworld: 2.4 BTC a piece tied up, it would require

04:13:01 ThickAsThieves: you could always just make a bet

04:13:11 ThickAsThieves: and skip the complications of options

04:14:23 ThickAsThieves: like what do you think share value will be August 1st, or such

04:39:53 ThickAsThieves: friggin Jutarul posts an open sale for 2000 AM @ 2.5 (which was about .07 under market price), DT posts walls of 500 @ 2.5 & 2.6 on each exchange, and now market price will hang out under there for a good while. It's a free market n all, but their methods seem to be ill-conceived...

06:31:51 inhies: so.

07:13:33 taub: glad i'm holding pitcoins right now

07:13:43 taub: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-23/japanese-stocks-plunge-over-800-points-biggest-drop-22-months

07:13:48 taub: might be a wild day

07:19:46 taub: https://images.4chan.org/pol/src/1369293279905.png

08:52:04 mjr_: hi anyone

09:00:59 fiat500: heh, people are so predictable

09:02:04 inhies: wat

09:02:05 inhies: wat u kno

09:02:07 inhies: tell me

09:02:09 inhies: i want b rich

09:02:17 Diablo-D3: being rich is not everything, inhies

09:04:56 inhies: Diablo-D3: didnt say it was

09:05:01 inhies: but that doesnt mean it isnt a good goal

09:05:09 Diablo-D3: its not a useful goal.

09:05:12 Diablo-D3: its more of a side effect.

09:09:34 inhies: maybe for you

09:09:41 inhies: but it is teh only way to owning all the toys i want

09:22:09 BitHub: there's one thing in life, what is it? Moooooonnnneeeeeeeey

09:22:50 BitHub: the only thing you have to worry about

09:23:12 fiat500: the markets are crashing

09:23:37 fiat500: given previous reasoning, this must mean the fed is cracking down on international stock markets!

09:23:53 fiat500: perhaps even doing seizures in the eurozone! oh-em-gee

09:42:32 mjr_: hi mircea_popescu

09:42:37 mircea_popescu: hey

09:42:41 mjr_: whats new

09:42:49 mjr_: i caught up on some fraudsters posts

09:42:50 mjr_: very nice

09:43:24 mircea_popescu: ahah cool

09:43:40 furuknap: Morning.

09:44:40 mircea_popescu: that storm that snowed up italy past few days moved here

09:44:44 mircea_popescu: it's friggin cold

09:45:05 furuknap: So you invest in mining equipment and save a ton on electricity. Stop being so negative :-)

09:49:18 mircea_popescu: i invested in this ballerina and i'm completely exhausted

09:49:21 mircea_popescu: which makes the cold worse

10:05:51 furuknap: Pictures or it didn't happen.

10:07:26 mjr_: hey davout

10:07:37 davout: mjr_: hey

10:09:00 mjr_: i miss instawallet

10:09:18 davout: mjr_: do you?

10:09:27 mjr_: yes

10:09:30 mircea_popescu: yes, he keeps having as many coins in the morning as when he went to bed

10:09:32 mircea_popescu: so boring

10:09:36 davout: lol

10:09:39 mircea_popescu: lol

10:09:39 mjr_: hahaha

10:09:43 mjr_: i miss the service

10:09:47 mjr_: for short term walleting

10:10:00 davout: i want to relaunch it, but i have no interest in holding the coins

10:10:11 mircea_popescu: it woudln't be a bad service, if someone were to make it in ON A SANE PLATFORM

10:10:35 davout: mircea_popescu: maybe you mean a framework ?

10:10:41 mircea_popescu: w/e

10:11:00 davout: i was thinking of sthg where the private key, and address are derived from the URL

10:11:07 mircea_popescu: yes.

10:11:23 davout: the problem is that even like this you have to trust the operator to not log requests

10:11:41 mircea_popescu: why not use asymetric keys ?

10:11:41 davout: so i guess it'd have to be combined with a password

10:11:57 davout: how would that work ?

10:12:16 mircea_popescu: it would work thusly : user generates a seed. from it user calculates a private key which he keeps and a public key

10:12:21 mircea_popescu: he goes to yoursite.com/publickey

10:12:28 mircea_popescu: you show him the btc addy, he sends there.

10:12:40 mircea_popescu: the only time you need to see the privkey is when he wants the btc sent.

10:12:46 davout: that requires the extra separate step of generating the key

10:12:49 mircea_popescu: yes.

10:12:52 davout: i was thinking differently

10:12:59 mircea_popescu: but it also gives user complete immunity from anything you might misdo

10:13:07 mircea_popescu: as you never have the keys and so can safely run bitcoind

10:13:12 mircea_popescu: cause it can't send anything anyway

10:13:25 davout: that's the idea, my implementation differs though

10:13:34 mircea_popescu: and the key generator might as well be a js the user downloads and runs locally.

10:13:37 davout: in my implementation you still have a secret URL

10:13:40 mircea_popescu: what were you thinking ?

10:13:57 davout: when you visit the URL you get prompted for a password

10:14:10 davout: SHA256(URL+password) is the private key

10:14:23 mircea_popescu: sort of 1.5fa

10:14:24 davout: address gets derived from the private key

10:14:49 davout: not quite, your money *is* the password

10:15:28 davout: and we never touch it, we can't spend it, we can serve it as a static HTML page, plugs itself into blockchain.info for all bitcoin related needs

10:15:45 davout: so blockchain.info gets the server load

10:15:46 mjr_: good idea

10:15:55 davout: and we get the advertising revenue or w/e

10:16:23 davout: also since the revenue is generated in BTC we can IPO if our business model makes sense

10:16:50 mircea_popescu: i don't think that revenue would be very large.

10:17:14 davout: me neither, but you never know, especially if you plug into a SD clone

10:17:58 Scrat: davout: I'd do a cookie stored uid, then you can enter that into a POST to access your wallet if you have deleted it

10:18:11 Scrat: no accounts or passwords or anything, just a unique id

10:18:26 davout: if it's provably as secure as blockchain.info and easier to use it would get loads of traffic, just layer some easy service to buy coins on top and i think you can make decent money

10:19:00 mircea_popescu: well... untiul blockchain info decides they want most of it.

10:19:38 Scrat: until b.i blocks it via CORS rules

10:19:51 davout: mircea_popescu: well, at that point i'll make use of the blockchain.io domain i bought a while ago and have it run a patched instance of bitcoind, or bitcoin-ruby for the same purpose

10:20:28 mircea_popescu: right-o.

10:20:44 Scrat: but I guess you'll have an agreement with piuk if you do that

10:20:49 mircea_popescu: so basically a b i clone pushing a s.d clone will make a lot of moneyh

10:20:51 mircea_popescu: because bitcoin

10:21:05 davout: naaah, don't make me say what i did not say

10:21:16 mircea_popescu: just saying, this design is strategically weak

10:22:05 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "Due to the lack of volume and the need to restructure our screen layout we have decided to remove all trading pairs that do not include BTC."

10:22:13 mircea_popescu: totally lol. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213302.0

10:22:35 davout: i'm saying, if it's secure, and easy, it'll get traffic, if you have traffic you can monetize it, the best way, IMO, to monetize traffic from noobs is to sell them coins

10:22:51 mircea_popescu: o, is that last true ?

10:23:06 davout: well, we had this instawire thing going on for a while

10:23:10 mircea_popescu: til.

10:23:26 davout: where people would input a BTC address in the comments field of a bank wire

10:23:38 davout: worked awesome, and people were willing to pay a nice premium

10:23:44 davout: problem with that is VAT

10:24:13 davout: but even with VAT people were willing to pay

10:24:40 mircea_popescu: i guess you've found mtgox' business model.

10:24:43 davout: with a 10 EUR/BTC rate people were willing to pay 10 EUR + 1,96 EUR + our premium

10:24:47 mircea_popescu: except they leeched the us market, no vat

10:24:52 davout: yup

10:26:28 davout: oh, btw, for people who are vim fanboys you can now donate to moolenaar

10:38:51 dub: with buttcoin?

10:41:32 Scrat: https://images.4chan.org/fit/src/1369303578780.jpg

10:41:43 Scrat: society summed up

10:42:16 mircea_popescu: not society. i am society.

10:42:28 mircea_popescu: these are some random douches.

10:45:58 Scrat: you're a romanian gigolo

10:46:12 mircea_popescu: ha!

10:46:26 mircea_popescu: no, io

10:46:30 mircea_popescu: i'm, just a bitch trainer.

10:46:40 mircea_popescu: i set teh standards for female behaviour.

10:49:14 furuknap: The 499 sell wall on BTCT AM just moved down from ฿2.6 to ฿2.5. Someone is getting restless...

10:52:25 mircea_popescu: mebbe so

10:52:26 BitHub: yeah people getting over it

10:54:10 mircea_popescu: wonder what Chaang-Noi & the merry pumpers will be inflating next.

11:14:15 mjr_: ugh i am so sick of businesses that do things without purpose

11:14:42 mjr_: or rather, of businesses which fail to lead in a goal-oriented way

11:15:00 mjr_: which results in employees doing things that don't make sense because they have no clue what they are doing

11:20:02 KRS-1: whats up mjr *highfive*

11:21:25 KRS-1: in other words, shitty managers..

11:22:44 KRS-1: mircea popescu: what software is used to plot the graphs displayed on mpex/mpoe

11:26:17 mjr_: KRS-1: yep basically

11:26:42 mjr_: its the same thing as dictatorships vs free market

11:26:53 mjr_: they can do exactly what you tell them to do

11:27:16 mjr_: but that is a way worse system than just putting incentives in place so they do what you want, they will find the best way

11:29:04 KRS-1: if its one thing i've noticed since i've entered the job market in the late 80's til now is that management has gotten shitty..and they won't think twice about making their shit roll downhill onto the employees. i've seen good people lose their jobs over shitty managers who throw them under the bus.

11:29:16 mjr_: yeah

11:29:23 KRS-1: Or entire teams get dismissed because performance or expectations haven't been met by poor leadership.

11:29:27 mjr_: i just mean, the end goal is to produce something, to do something

11:29:44 mjr_: that is a reason why a lot of bitcoin businesses fail, is due to poor management

11:29:51 KRS-1: company restructures and puts investment into other projects so they're no longer needed..all under the umbrella of "employment at will"

11:32:37 ThickAsThieves: The Best Bitcoin Scam of 2013 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg2244347#msg2244347

11:34:57 KRS-1: japanese economic storm brewing

11:35:05 KRS-1: bitcoin save us

12:17:41 Chaang-Noi: <mircea_popescu> wonder what Chaang-Noi & the merry pumpers will be inflating next. whatever i have a lot off and i bought it cheep

12:17:47 Chaang-Noi: right now i dont know

12:18:06 Chaang-Noi: once bfl shipps odds are cognitive

12:18:12 Chaang-Noi: other than that, not sure

12:18:15 furuknap: 100TH jumped up this week, almost 40%.

12:18:30 Chaang-Noi: im staying away from that, i dont have enough info about it

12:18:36 furuknap: Actualy, more than 40% now that I look.

12:20:06 Chaang-Noi: i wondered about it, and even wondered when it had its ipo, some money just has to be left on the table

12:20:19 furuknap: Hm... If roughly ฿45 buys at market now, asks will be at 110% of what it was just a couple of days ago.

12:20:38 furuknap: I've looked into it, an I have not found anything that looks like a scam to me.

12:20:45 Diablo-D3: ;;ticker

12:20:59 Chaang-Noi: over 125! interesting

12:21:13 ThickAsThieves: nice!

12:21:25 ThickAsThieves: TAT.AM PT will hit 2000 today

12:21:28 furuknap: We'll see in a couple of days or a week whether Bitfury delivers. If he does, I think this one may have merit.

12:21:42 Chaang-Noi: TAT listed where?

12:21:52 ThickAsThieves: everywhere

12:21:54 ThickAsThieves: hehe

12:22:04 Chaang-Noi: tat.am will be on nymex?

12:22:08 furuknap: It's all over BNBN, haven't you hear?

12:22:11 furuknap: *BNN

12:22:12 Chaang-Noi: and the nyse?

12:22:12 ThickAsThieves: BTCTC/BF/Havelock

12:22:33 Chaang-Noi: i guess the better question would be, what is tat.am

12:22:40 furuknap: Haha :-)

12:22:44 ThickAsThieves: srsly?

12:22:51 mjr_: some asicminer pass through

12:23:06 ThickAsThieves: [08:19] <@assbot> [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.024999 = 0.1 BTC [+]

12:23:10 ThickAsThieves: [08:23] <@assbot> [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.025299 = 5.0598 BTC [-]

12:23:13 Chaang-Noi: tat sorry, i fucked up and failed at reading

12:23:15 ThickAsThieves: [08:14] <+AssetBot> [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02511990 = 0.02511990 [+]

12:23:18 ThickAsThieves: hehe

12:23:23 Chaang-Noi: ignore everything i said

12:23:33 ThickAsThieves: no worries

12:23:36 Chaang-Noi: :)

12:23:39 fiat500: its a 100PT

12:24:36 ThickAsThieves: I have a cool idea for a bond I might do

12:24:48 ThickAsThieves: just not sure if I need to

12:25:09 furuknap: Care to elaborate?

12:25:33 furuknap: The way of the exploding dodo...

12:27:18 furuknap: 5% of current user base at Picostocks registered in past 24 hours. Wonder what they're buying...

12:27:34 Chaang-Noi: my dad says he does not like jeeps cuz they are not as safe as full sized cars, is this jeep not full sized or is he being fail? http://www.overlandparkjeepdodge.net/new/Jeep/2013-Jeep-Wrangler+Unlimited-8d1757e50a0a00de01879b94f8bbdd6d.htm

12:27:37 fiat500: 100th?

12:27:50 fiat500: Chaang-Noi: dont buy wrangler > 2003

12:27:59 Chaang-Noi: why?

12:28:01 fiat500: if you get a wrangler get the TJ

12:28:08 fiat500: new ones are unreliable as fuck

12:28:17 Chaang-Noi: oh? and what is TJ?

12:28:22 fiat500: platform

12:28:43 Chaang-Noi: i dont know what that means in relation to a car or jeep

12:29:10 ThickAsThieves: I had a Willys (new edition)

12:29:16 ThickAsThieves: with army star on it

12:29:27 ThickAsThieves: not because i am military

12:29:31 Chaang-Noi: iwant one, but i eed a family car too so i thought this one is better

12:29:32 furuknap: My wife wants me to buy a wrangler for her and I'm leaning towards it.

12:29:44 Chaang-Noi: are they small at all?

12:29:46 fiat500: Chaang-Noi: its jeep specific

12:29:48 ThickAsThieves: just cuz it had way more features and was less expensive than the X

12:29:55 Chaang-Noi: i know the back seat is a bit small, but my son is 6

12:29:58 fiat500: TJ was the platform built between 1996 and 2006 i believe

12:30:12 Chaang-Noi: oh, im not buying a used one anyway

12:30:14 fiat500: if you want a new car, dont buy jeep

12:30:44 Chaang-Noi: what is a better option? also it must be sold in btc, like this jeep i linked

12:30:50 fiat500: lmfao

12:31:13 fiat500: $43k is way too much for a jeep

12:31:25 fiat500: get yourself an audi or a new cadillac

12:31:27 Diablo-D3: jeeps dont have a wide enough wheel base imo

12:31:33 Diablo-D3: fiat500: fuck the new cadillac

12:31:36 Diablo-D3: old or bust

12:31:40 fiat500: the ATS is hot

12:32:09 Chaang-Noi: i dont know where to buy audi or catalic with btc

12:32:15 deadweasel: Diablo-D3: jeeps have a square wheel base, which I love. no fish tailing.

12:32:22 fiat500: Chaang-Noi: dont just buy anything u can find for btc lol

12:32:28 Diablo-D3: deadweasel: yeah but it could be wider.

12:32:53 deadweasel: that's a niche for hummers

12:33:13 Chaang-Noi: i am open to hummers but they are not sold for btc, and i dont even think they make them anymore

12:33:30 Diablo-D3: they dont make original H1s anymore

12:33:33 Diablo-D3: the new ones are fucking shit

12:34:23 fiat500: Chaang-Noi: i just sold my $60k car and planning on buying a $3k jeep from 2000/2001

12:34:48 Chaang-Noi: h1 is the only one im intersted in

12:34:48 fiat500: in terms of investments, cars are fucking terrible

12:34:59 fiat500: i lost $30k in depreciation alone

12:35:02 Chaang-Noi: im not looking for an investment, im looking to buy soething with btc

12:35:12 Chaang-Noi: also jeeps look fun

12:35:22 fiat500: get an older jeep if u want fun

12:36:01 Chaang-Noi: i do not see how an old jeep will be more fin thana new jeep

12:36:08 Chaang-Noi: fun*

12:36:30 fiat500: well, you will spend more on the new one, and the engine will fail promptly

12:36:44 fiat500: if thats your idea of fun, go for it

12:36:57 Diablo-D3: man

12:36:59 Diablo-D3: if I buy a car

12:37:01 Diablo-D3: its going to be a model s

12:37:05 fiat500: lol

12:37:10 Diablo-D3: fuck gas, fuck diesel, fuck your out of date notions

12:37:18 Diablo-D3: I want a car that will be legal to drive in 10 years

12:37:25 Chaang-Noi: the engine will fail promptly like first day?

12:37:56 fiat500: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2012/11/28/new-cars-to-avoid/

12:38:46 fiat500: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/08/chrysler-to-fix-defect-in-1000-v-6-engines-/1#.UZ4NwWSnxzo

12:39:07 fiat500: plus tons of anecdotal evidence from people driving out of the dealership only to have the CEL show up

12:39:29 Chaang-Noi: CEL?

12:39:31 fiat500: http://jalopnik.com/5697449/why-did-a-new-jeep-wrangler-die-in-ten-inches-of-water

12:39:36 fiat500: check engine light

12:39:41 Chaang-Noi: i srr

12:39:43 Chaang-Noi: see

12:40:03 fiat500: the new ones are simply worse than the old ones, which is very sad

12:40:20 fiat500: lots of new technology in the new models, but terrible quality control

12:40:58 Chaang-Noi: hmmm

12:41:01 Chaang-Noi: this does not look good

12:41:13 Chaang-Noi: i was honestly about to pull the trigger

12:42:21 Diablo-D3: well

12:42:23 Diablo-D3: they're not american

12:42:24 Diablo-D3: thats why

12:42:35 Chaang-Noi: well fuck....

12:42:37 Diablo-D3: the only cars worth driving are made in america or cost in excess of $100k.

12:42:54 Chaang-Noi: i dont even know anymore

12:42:58 fiat500: Chaang-Noi: i spent a good 2 months researching this

12:43:01 deadweasel: Chaang-Noi: get a Hilux

12:43:09 fiat500: because i really want an offroader now, tired of sports cars

12:43:14 Chaang-Noi: i have a hilux

12:43:19 fiat500: hilux is a beast

12:43:28 deadweasel: then you're all set ;)

12:43:34 Chaang-Noi: its in thailand

12:43:39 Chaang-Noi: i need something for when i visit usa

12:43:40 fiat500: Chaang-Noi: why not raptor

12:43:40 deadweasel: lol

12:44:44 Chaang-Noi: fiat500 i dont know about this, but i will look into cuz in texas they sell fords for btc

12:44:54 fiat500: ah, nice

12:45:17 Chaang-Noi: its an off road truck?

12:45:35 fiat500: raptor? LOL

12:45:44 fiat500: its /the/ offroad truck

12:45:55 Chaang-Noi: better than a jeep?

12:45:59 Chaang-Noi: im not a truck guy...

12:46:12 Chaang-Noi: or even a car guy,

12:46:14 fiat500: honestly i wouldnt think twice if i wasnt moving to the city

12:46:24 fiat500: hard to park that thing

12:46:53 Chaang-Noi: my hilux is the full bed and 4 door, its fucking massively long

12:46:56 fiat500: http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/trim/raptor/

12:47:03 fiat500: around the same price as the jeep you were considering

12:47:05 Chaang-Noi: im already at that site:)

12:48:41 Chaang-Noi: hmm well this is an option worth looking intp

12:49:21 fiat500: im done buying new cars for the time being, so much heartache when it gets scratched/dinged

12:49:38 fiat500: heartache and wallet-ache

12:50:37 Chaang-Noi: i will drive this about 2 months every 2 years

12:50:43 Chaang-Noi: i dont really care

12:51:28 Chaang-Noi: http://www.spford.com/inventory/new-vehicles#1/10/DisplayPrice/d//bodytype%3D%22Truck%22

12:51:36 Chaang-Noi: they do not seem to have the raptor in stock

12:51:41 Chaang-Noi: is it a special order type thing?

12:53:18 Chaang-Noi: fiat500 ^

13:02:30 ThickAsThieves: bill maher mentioned bitcoin recently

13:02:35 ThickAsThieves: in passing, on his show

13:02:46 Chaang-Noi: everyone is taling about it

13:02:50 Chaang-Noi: insane

13:03:19 ThickAsThieves: http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/23/technology/enterprise/bitcoin-supercomputers/index.html?iid=HP_LN

13:04:00 Chaang-Noi: that was true well over a year ago

13:04:51 ThickAsThieves: first comment on that article: "Please stop! bitcoin is a scam and more worthless than gambling on the price of tulip bulbs. The future is energy backed currency."

13:05:06 Chaang-Noi: lol

13:05:25 ThickAsThieves: all the comments hate it

13:05:26 ThickAsThieves: hehe

13:05:38 Chaang-Noi: haters gona hate

13:06:13 ThickAsThieves: "What an utter waste of electricity... for what? To generate 21 million pseudo-random numbers that only people believe in religiously who are looking for the Jesus of currencies."

14:05:48 truffles: <ThickAsThieves> "What an utter waste of electricity... for what? To generate 21 million pseudo-random numbers that only people believe in religiously who are looking for the Jesus of currencies.">>> sounds about right

14:06:06 Diablo-D3: so, uh

14:06:13 Diablo-D3: wouldnt that make bitcoin the theorized jewmoney?

14:06:28 truffles: ?

14:09:01 fiat500: who dumped

14:09:03 fiat500: >_>

14:09:14 BitHub: shh

14:09:23 BitHub: omg AM tanking baaaaaaaail

14:09:47 ThickAsThieves: `:)

14:10:19 Chaaang-Noi: lol

14:10:41 fiat500: LOL

14:10:47 ThickAsThieves: this is what happens when people are bad at selling

14:11:48 fiat500: all my shit is in the red

14:13:07 Chaaang-Noi: there is a giant wall

14:13:20 fiat500: great wall of thailand

14:13:31 Chaaang-Noi: but im happy, i sold all i wanted to sell for a while around 2.6 to 2.75

14:13:48 Chaaang-Noi: that wall be in organ

14:13:53 furuknap: Selling down 40 shares coesn't really require extensive skill... What is sad, though, is that someone bought TAT.AM on BTCT for the equivalent of ฿3.33.

14:14:09 Chaaang-Noi: :)

14:14:16 fiat500: 0.035?

14:14:21 fiat500: seriously?

14:14:23 ThickAsThieves: furuknap

14:14:28 ThickAsThieves: its not selling 40 shares

14:14:30 furuknap: Yes, dear?

14:14:31 ThickAsThieves: that i'm talking about

14:14:39 ThickAsThieves: its jutarul and DT

14:15:06 fiat500: furuknap: huh, you're right

14:15:06 Chaaang-Noi: jutarul has 10,000 shares or so

14:15:11 fiat500: small quantities tho

14:15:14 ThickAsThieves: somehow they think that posting 500-share walls will get them the price they want

14:15:36 furuknap: You mean the 500 wall that has been going down from 2.6 to 2.45 over the previous 12 hours?

14:15:41 ThickAsThieves: yep

14:15:47 ThickAsThieves: chasing the dream

14:16:04 Chaaang-Noi: if he puts it near 2 it will be mine :)

14:16:05 fiat500: lol

14:16:22 Chaaang-Noi: but really giant walls just scare people, its a retarded move

14:16:28 Chaaang-Noi: he fails at selling

14:16:32 furuknap: Not unless scaring people is what you want.

14:16:33 ThickAsThieves: Dt was selling his privately at 2.5

14:16:38 ThickAsThieves: and I was gobbling them up

14:16:46 ThickAsThieves: but then he posted these walls

14:16:55 ThickAsThieves: and asked me for 2.425

14:16:59 Chaaang-Noi: dt wants out of the game

14:17:03 Chaaang-Noi: i dont blame him

14:17:16 Chaaang-Noi: but im just going to wait until its done before i try to move the price/sell again

14:17:24 fiat500: he offered them for 2.4

14:17:31 fiat500: i said id give him 1.9

14:17:35 fiat500: havent heard from him since

14:17:36 fiat500: :P

14:17:42 furuknap: Last night, that 500 wall could have been sold for just over ฿1100 and would have brought the price down to 0.002, which would almost have been worth it just to watch the panic :-)

14:17:51 BitHub: so the BF AM PT is cloing down?

14:17:53 fiat500: LOL

14:18:00 ThickAsThieves: no BitHub

14:18:07 ThickAsThieves: DT is closing out an older fund

14:18:13 ThickAsThieves: that owned a lot of AM shares

14:18:42 ThickAsThieves: i'm glad he tried to raise the price

14:18:47 ThickAsThieves: (DT)

14:18:55 ThickAsThieves: it allowed me to buy cheaper elsewhere

14:19:16 ThickAsThieves: if DT and Jutarul want fair value

14:19:21 ThickAsThieves: they can always pm me

14:19:42 Chaaang-Noi: i bought from jurarula at like .5 :)

14:19:56 furuknap: Yeah, but dump 100 shares on BTCT now, and AM trades at 2.1. Another 100 and we're down to 1.85. Buy the same and we're up to 2.45, still lower than this morning.

14:20:01 Chaaang-Noi: i had sold a bunch at .4 and realized i fucked up

14:20:22 Chaaang-Noi: i was dumping last night, about 200 shares before the ddos, was fine then,

14:20:42 furuknap: Before or after dividends? ;-)

14:20:59 Chaaang-Noi: after it was anounced,but before paid on btct

14:21:13 Chaaang-Noi: who cars about the .02 if i can sell at 2.7 :)

14:21:25 Chaaang-Noi: and do so with volume :)

14:21:27 furuknap: I mean, most of the people that have been rushing the AM price these last couple of weeks have no idea how to value anything. They'll see a 43% drop in dividends and freak out, realizing the beanstalk doesn't grow into the heavens.

14:21:48 Chaaang-Noi: next week dividends will be good

14:21:58 Chaaang-Noi: ill sell into that pump :)

14:21:59 furuknap: Tell that to the noobs :-)

14:22:16 Chaaang-Noi: no no, ill buy now if it goes to slow, and sell again when they all rush back to buy

14:22:20 furuknap: They'll still wait, like they waited until the 50% dividend happened.

14:22:22 Chaaang-Noi: this game is easy as fuck

14:23:01 BitHub: lul

14:23:20 Chaaang-Noi: fiat500 talked me out of buying this with btc, now i dont know what the fuck to buy :( http://www.overlandparkjeepdodge.net/new/Jeep/2013-Jeep-Wrangler+Unlimited-8d1757e50a0a00de01879b94f8bbdd6d.htm

14:23:25 fiat500: lol

14:23:28 fiat500: sorry Chaaang-Noi

14:23:51 furuknap: Then, when someone starts telling them that next week's huge dividend is the result of one full month of pushing USB miners and that dividends will go down again in two weeks, they'll still wait.

14:24:13 Chaaang-Noi: free market for the win

14:24:17 furuknap: Indeed.

14:24:35 Chaaang-Noi: why waste enery protecting idots...

14:25:28 furuknap: Because long-term, people need reliable markets and to not burn themselves on bubbles. In the long term, that helps me. I'm selfish that way.

14:26:13 Chaaang-Noi: always be floods of new retards

14:26:23 Chaaang-Noi: i dont think AM will go under 2 for a long ass time anyway

14:26:26 fiat500: i bought 10btc via coinbase, went surprisingly well

14:26:36 Chaaang-Noi: good

14:26:47 furuknap: We're 200 shares away from that, Chaang. We're 600 shares away from 2.5.

14:27:22 fiat500: furuknap: 200 shares from what?

14:27:23 Chaaang-Noi: bids are always low

14:27:33 Chaaang-Noi: people dont bid,m tehy just buy

14:27:36 furuknap: Fiat: From falling below ฿2 again.

14:27:38 fiat500: 2.0?

14:27:40 ThickAsThieves: this is just the market trying to figure out what to do about lower divs and a big fucking walls

14:27:53 ThickAsThieves: also some people cashing out cuz:

14:27:54 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

14:28:00 fiat500: bidside is incredibly thin

14:28:05 ThickAsThieves: always is

14:28:28 cole_albon: if someone were to execute an in the money call on mpex exchange. what happens next? how do dollars get into mpex to make the buy? I know it's a dumb question, and probably offensively dumb, but I can't find instructions anywhere for this

14:28:30 ThickAsThieves: because it's been overbought

14:28:32 Chaaang-Noi: i ahve been slowly cashing out, and glad i was able to get rid of as many as i did at the price i did, i really like AM but i wanted to take some profit

14:28:36 Chaaang-Noi: i still hold a large amount

14:28:41 furuknap: Sure, but there has also been 3000 shares moved to BTCT recently. No idea what other markets get, but that's a lot of selling power, and I can't imagine any other reason why people would move shares into a PT if not because they want to sell.

14:28:45 Chaaang-Noi: but if it was at 2.75 id still be selling

14:29:03 ThickAsThieves: I have a bunch too

14:29:05 BitHub: yeah 2.4-3 is good profit taking

14:29:08 Chaaang-Noi: about 1/4 of the coins was mine

14:29:10 BitHub: 2.7*

14:29:21 Chaaang-Noi: i moved just under 800

14:29:32 Chaaang-Noi: but now i have no shares on the PT

14:29:45 Chaaang-Noi: only cog

14:30:00 furuknap: COG.F sold out last night, btw.

14:30:07 fiat500: furuknap: yay

14:30:17 Chaaang-Noi: i bought the last 14

14:30:20 fiat500: that kid better do something with my money

14:30:31 furuknap: Get in line, I was there first :-)

14:30:32 Chaaang-Noi: then told him on skype

14:30:34 fiat500: haha

14:30:46 fiat500: Chaaang-Noi: is he going to buy anything or what

14:30:53 Chaaang-Noi: yeah

14:30:58 Chaaang-Noi: they are buying all sorts of shit

14:30:58 furuknap: Yeah, in two weeks.

14:31:04 Chaaang-Noi: he is pissed AM is better than his

14:31:08 fiat500: in 2 weeks they will /order/

14:31:14 fiat500: lol.

14:31:14 Chaaang-Noi: he wants to have the best mining operation :) i like the guy a lot

14:31:47 fiat500: Chaaang-Noi: i have more than half as many GH/s on order than all of cognitive

14:32:08 fiat500: he needs to step up his game a bit :P

14:32:09 Chaaang-Noi: on order, hahaha

14:32:16 Chaaang-Noi: also cog has orders as well:)

14:32:26 fiat500: Chaaang-Noi: at this point, they only have orders

14:32:39 fiat500: so the comparison is valid

14:32:39 furuknap: Saw this on reddit earlier today: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ew9mt/is_100th_next_asicminer_jumps_40_in_a_week_up_500/ <- May explain all the new accounts on Pico...

14:33:43 Chaaang-Noi: may explain? its sure what it is

14:35:21 fiat500: chips not tested yet

14:35:29 furuknap: Wafer not done yet.

14:35:41 Chaaang-Noi: im not buying in

14:35:42 fiat500: they havent even produced a working chip, and price is already up to 0.25?

14:36:24 kakobrekla: packaging start tomorro.

14:36:51 furuknap: Well, the price, if they do get a working chip (and bitfury sounds confident) then the entire upside of fulfilling that promise is yet to be realized, like I wrote in that reddit-comment.

14:37:13 jborkl: Unofficial BFL News ‏@BFL_News 2h

14:37:13 jborkl: We are expecting several thousand chips next week from our new packaging facility and expect to start shipping all product lines next week.

14:37:38 ThickAsThieves: mmhmmmm

14:37:43 Chaaang-Noi: saw that yesterday, thought it was bs

14:37:53 furuknap: Next week (tm)

14:37:57 Chaaang-Noi: but sold the rest of my AM i had on the exchanges anyway

14:38:10 furuknap: Trying to get both Two weeks and Next week as trademarks.

14:38:24 jborkl: I , personally , expect this to be accurate

14:38:52 jborkl: Jala are working flawless

14:39:10 furuknap: I, personally, have heard this before. Yeah, _this_ time it may be right, but so could all the other times have been.

14:39:13 BitHub: oh gawd AM is tanking, help

14:39:13 aknap3: so from chips in the door to finished miners out the door in a matter of days...

14:39:23 DeaDTerra: People please learn

14:39:25 fiat500: lol BitHub

14:39:34 BitHub: its 266 all over again

14:39:43 DeaDTerra: Either you invest! in which case the price of the market doesn't matter as you believe in the underlieing company and that it will suceed.

14:39:58 DeaDTerra: Or you are speculating, in which case you have no ground to be bitching as it is the same as gambling.

14:40:08 DeaDTerra: So either sit in the boat and wait for long term. Or stop bitching

14:40:28 BitHub: help its tanking

14:40:32 fiat500: hahahaha

14:40:37 ThickAsThieves: halp! halp!

14:40:43 BitHub: !!!!

14:40:51 furuknap: DT: I agree, but the difference is that I invest, expecting a certain return over a certain period. When the profit I can make from selling far exceeds the profit I can make from investing, then selling just makes sense.

14:41:06 DeaDTerra: Of course!

14:41:10 DeaDTerra: There is such a thing as overpriced

14:41:30 fiat500: what

14:41:50 DeaDTerra: I am just a bit annoyed that people hype thing up

14:41:56 DeaDTerra: and then bitch when teh bubble bursts

14:42:01 fiat500: ^ how did that happen

14:42:24 fiat500: oh, option?

14:42:26 BitHub: ;;later tell fontas - emergency conference meeting 10mins

14:43:00 furuknap: https://btct.co/security/ASICMINER-PT#tab3 <- Option indeed

14:43:24 DeaDTerra: I loaded off 2.6k on the market within 2 days I guess that it couldn't handle it and started to give away. I always posted asks so I did not stand for the selling into bids, that was the people who lost faith and paniced.

14:44:02 fiat500: furuknap: ok phew :P

14:44:07 furuknap: The good news is that this may bring the price to a more reasonable level, panic and burns aside.

14:45:57 furuknap: DT, is that 500 wall yours?

14:46:15 DeaDTerra: Yes

14:46:35 DeaDTerra: You are more then welcomed to buy into it

14:46:38 ThickAsThieves: could you move down to 2.4 plz?

14:46:43 furuknap: Yesterday, I would _almost_ have covered your losses, just to see you sell it into the market and watch the panic :-)

14:47:05 ericmuyser: DeaDTerra: if you sell into the bids as it's rising, that keeps it down, fyi. if it's already too late and it's skyrocketed, then i understand eating into bids would cause panic

14:47:42 ericmuyser: either way i think it's definitely a good idea for you big guys to sell when it starts going parabolically stupid

14:48:16 BitHub: just dump 500 shares right now into the bids to bring back some sanity

14:48:32 furuknap: [16:47] <ericmuyser> ... it's definitely a good idea for you big guys to sell when it starts going stupid < FTFY

14:48:55 ericmuyser: agree

14:49:03 jurov: cole_albon: all options are settled in BTC, so no dollars on MPEx

14:49:39 qxzn: argh. why can't people code?

14:50:07 ericmuyser: qxzn: <html><html>

14:50:10 ericmuyser: ok im done

14:50:24 qxzn: mtgox websocket api sends quote updates that are impossible

14:50:34 cole_albon: jurov: thank you - so sounds like I can type the execute command and be done with it?

14:50:35 qxzn: ericmuyser: exactly

14:50:36 kakobrekla: that tag is not properly closed ericmuyser

14:50:59 ericmuyser: darn.

14:51:06 jurov: cole_albon yes, you'll receive equivalend BTC value to your acct immediately

14:53:39 ericmuyser: i got in before dividends, 0.02! great success!! wait.. wahts this.. i lost 0.2.. so i broke even. oh well

14:54:19 qxzn: what's wrong with this picture?

14:54:20 qxzn: Quantity=0.515988950 DeltaQuantity=0.515988950 Time=2013-05-23 09:40:08.870589-04:00

14:54:24 qxzn: Quantity=0.494406280 DeltaQuantity=-0.021582670 Time=2013-05-23 09:40:14.354592-04:00

14:54:24 furuknap: Speaking of skyrocketing, 100TH is 16 BTC from having lowest ask at .29.

14:54:26 qxzn: Quantity=0.294406280 DeltaQuantity=-0.200000000 Time=2013-05-23 09:40:17.650628-04:00

14:54:29 qxzn: Quantity=0.000000000 DeltaQuantity=-0.494406280 Time=2013-05-23 09:40:17.698781-04:00

14:55:53 furuknap: After that, it's ฿60 away from 0.375.

14:56:34 truffles: ;;ticker

14:59:42 furuknap: *crickets* Everyone running over to Pico?

15:00:33 BitHub: yep

15:00:57 ThickAsThieves: but 100TH is a fixed bond right?

15:01:02 fiat500: the ask side on 100th is ridiculous

15:01:04 ThickAsThieves: like it never gets more hashes?

15:01:13 fiat500: absolute zero faith in the company

15:01:39 furuknap: So far, yes. But wasn't AM also that in the early beginning before the IPO? Chaang?

15:01:55 fiat500: furuknap: 100th is 3 months post-IPO

15:02:28 furuknap: And they're also one share short of 600% up from IPO.

15:10:09 furuknap: Besides, I doubt investors would be seriously pissed off if they changed the model to align more with AM model.

15:10:29 ThickAsThieves: why would they choose to lose money

15:10:46 ThickAsThieves: youre gonna be stuck with your fixed hasrate

15:11:00 ThickAsThieves: while AM shares represent a % of the network instead

15:11:04 Bugpowder: fixed hash rate bonds are a guarnteed loss

15:11:06 furuknap: That depends. If they hold shares in the company, the rise in share prices would be profitable and they wouldn't have to worry about floating a new asset.

15:11:07 Bugpowder: for owners

15:11:51 ThickAsThieves: do these shares give you any % of hardware sales?

15:12:39 furuknap: No, but that's the change that might be useful. If they intend to float a new hardware asset, that would require a lot of overhead and time to build confidence, which isn't easy for hardware startups.

15:12:56 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:12:58 ThickAsThieves: keep dreaming

15:13:21 furuknap: See how much trouble the swedes have.

15:13:44 ThickAsThieves: ?

15:14:48 furuknap: KXsomethingMiner. They're the first company to talk about a 28nm chip and they're working with a highly reputable chip company to achieve that.

15:15:09 furuknap: Even then, people scream SCAM with their outdoors cvoice.

15:15:49 Diablo-D3: who?

15:15:53 Diablo-D3: what company I mean

15:15:55 furuknap: I live in Scandinavia, I know the culture, and running a scam like that wouldn't be even close to feasible.

15:16:23 ThickAsThieves: this is bitcoin

15:16:27 ThickAsThieves: scams are the way

15:16:32 ThickAsThieves: plus

15:16:39 ThickAsThieves: no one said 100TH was a scam

15:16:44 ThickAsThieves: just a bad investment

15:16:53 ThickAsThieves: long-term at least

15:16:58 furuknap: So is AM.

15:17:03 ThickAsThieves: feel free to ride the hype machine

15:17:07 ThickAsThieves: and sell at top

15:17:08 Bugpowder: every bitcoin investment and exchange is a SCAM at some point.

15:17:26 furuknap: 'The other' ASIC hardware company. Popped up a few weeks ago. KXCminer or something along those lines.

15:17:33 Bugpowder: They don't all start that way, but they all end that way.

15:17:34 Bugpowder: truth

15:17:36 furuknap: KncMiner.

15:17:51 furuknap: http://www.kncminer.com/

15:20:06 ThickAsThieves: I think that friedcat's long term actions have earned him a bit more respect and trust than your average mining asset

15:20:19 ThickAsThieves: AM has demonstrated repeatedly

15:20:37 furuknap: Sure, and that demonstration is already priced into the share.

15:20:46 ThickAsThieves: ok

15:20:54 ThickAsThieves: so sit back and collect divs?

15:21:05 ThickAsThieves: and maybe even watch AM grow further

15:21:27 furuknap: AM cannot grow much further in terms of revenue and dividends at these price points do not add up when you take halving effect into account.

15:21:48 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:21:56 ThickAsThieves: there you go with 3-year factors

15:22:07 ThickAsThieves: also

15:22:14 ThickAsThieves: AM can sell a LOT more hardware

15:22:17 furuknap: Of course, because the halving effect every week takes away 0.05 of dividends at ฿2.

15:22:53 furuknap: They'd need to sell 300 blades and 10K USB miners _every month for three years_ to make up what people think they're getting with that ludicrous 50% yield idea.

15:23:52 ThickAsThieves: what do you think the avg div will be

15:23:53 furuknap: Even at half that, and let's guess that every competitor fails for the next three years, in three years, AM revenue must go down because hw sales won't be as profitable and block reward goes down.

15:23:58 ThickAsThieves: thru April 2014

15:24:16 furuknap: Hang on, firing up VM with model.

15:24:26 ThickAsThieves: no one is going to let 3 years from now factor into current price

15:24:33 ThickAsThieves: its just not on the radar

15:24:39 ThickAsThieves: for anyone except maybe AM themselves

15:24:42 furuknap: No, but that's because the herd doesn't realize it.

15:25:09 ThickAsThieves: most people in bitcoin now, will have cashed out entirely in 3 years

15:25:16 ThickAsThieves: all speculators

15:25:17 furuknap: If you buy and hold now, in three years, your share value drops to 50%, costing you ฿1.25 if you buy at ฿2.5.

15:25:50 furuknap: We should do a public debate on this. :-D

15:25:56 ThickAsThieves: we are

15:26:06 furuknap: C'mon, you know what I'm talking about.

15:26:14 ThickAsThieves: hehe

15:26:24 ThickAsThieves: i'm okay with revealing

15:26:31 furuknap: Whoops.

15:26:57 furuknap: Someone must have been listening in.

15:27:05 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:29:49 ThickAsThieves: come to papa

15:33:09 furuknap: Ouch...

15:33:33 error4733: ;;bids 0

15:34:24 ThickAsThieves: aww they stopped right at my bid

15:34:26 ThickAsThieves: how cruel

15:35:29 Diablo-D3: lol

15:36:00 ThickAsThieves: there it is!

15:36:16 furuknap: Wait for it...

15:36:30 Anduck: asicminer soon ITS REAL VALUE that is about 1 btc

15:37:31 Chaaang-Noi: lol

15:37:34 Chaaang-Noi: 1?

15:37:37 WILLdude: Hi

15:37:50 PsychoticBoy: bought at 0.085 long time ago :D

15:38:09 Chaaang-Noi: nice

15:38:15 Chaaang-Noi: i got a few under .1 not many

15:38:39 PsychoticBoy: a few hundred :D

15:38:55 Chaaang-Noi: not bad

15:39:04 PsychoticBoy: thanks to zefir, back then

15:40:05 PsychoticBoy: If asicminer hits 3 btc (if ever) ill sell them all

15:40:11 Chaaang-Noi: he has pills still

15:40:16 furuknap: Haha :-)

15:40:29 furuknap: Or he's stopped taking them.

15:40:42 Chaaang-Noi: fucking typo

15:40:51 Chaaang-Noi: piles

15:40:55 Chaaang-Noi: he has a lot of stock

15:40:59 Chaaang-Noi: he be a rich mofo

15:41:30 furuknap: But your misspelling was epic. One for bash.org.

15:42:06 Chaaang-Noi: i need either more sleep or much much more caffeen

15:42:20 PsychoticBoy: take some coffe goat ;)

15:42:24 PsychoticBoy: coffee

15:44:13 furuknap: And there 100TH reahed 0.29.

15:48:23 furuknap: ;;ticker

15:48:28 furuknap: :-)

15:50:14 ThickAsThieves: nice

15:50:15 furuknap: Huh?

15:50:23 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:50:28 furuknap: Impressive.

15:50:36 ThickAsThieves: !

15:50:41 furuknap: Geez!

15:50:49 furuknap: Guess DT is a happy camper now.

15:50:53 ThickAsThieves: holy shitnuggets

15:51:00 ThickAsThieves: yep

15:51:07 furuknap: SAelkl 100TH, BUY AM;!!!

15:51:07 Namworld: Dayum

15:51:08 ThickAsThieves: worked out great for both of us

15:51:12 ThickAsThieves: i must thank him

15:51:16 ThickAsThieves: he pushed price down

15:51:19 ThickAsThieves: i bought a ton

15:51:26 ThickAsThieves: then someone rallied and bought him out

15:51:30 ThickAsThieves: very nice

15:52:24 BTCOxygen: burnside: ping

15:52:34 ericmuyser: good time to sell then lol, ThickAsThieves

15:52:35 BTCOxygen: burnside: PM me when you get some time.

15:53:06 ericmuyser: instant profit for the next dump: there will be more to come!

15:53:29 ThickAsThieves: not yet eric,

15:53:41 ThickAsThieves: there is still 2000 for sale on forums at 2.5

15:53:45 BTC0xygen: Hello.

15:54:01 BTC0xygen: Thick, ASICMINER shares ?

15:54:05 ThickAsThieves: yes

15:54:32 BTC0xygen: Thick, Your PT is cheaper. :P

15:54:43 BTCOxygen: <@assbot> [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02369 = 0.0474 BTC [+]

15:55:15 ericmuyser: ThickAsThieves: so? cheaper to pick up the PT and request a transfer if you want direct?

15:55:32 BTC0xygen: Thick does not do transfer.

15:55:51 ThickAsThieves: no xfers

15:56:13 ThickAsThieves: Friedcat has enough work to do without a million requests from me

15:56:32 Diablo-D3: yeah really

15:56:46 ericmuyser: sorry which 2000? where

15:56:48 BTC0xygen: Think, IIRC there is 2 ASICminer passthroughs, One does not take a management fee, And your do.

15:56:54 ericmuyser: thought you meant non TAT

15:57:05 BTC0xygen: May I ask why are you charging 5% to manage the shares ?

15:57:14 ThickAsThieves: because i dont work for free

15:57:29 Diablo-D3: three

15:57:31 Diablo-D3: theres three

15:57:31 Namworld: Because passthrough managers typically charge a fee

15:57:40 ericmuyser: the other PT is operated by the BTC TC owner, so he has good reason not to charge if people are trading on his site and he's getting fees

15:57:45 Diablo-D3: two straight throughs, and then tat

15:57:46 BTC0xygen: Namworld, ASICMINER-PT is free.

15:57:57 ericmuyser: BTC0xygen: operated by the site owner

15:57:59 BTC0xygen: And the bitfunder PT.

15:58:01 Namworld: Yes, what ericmuyser said

15:58:08 Namworld: Owner gets trading fees

15:58:36 Namworld: So it's at his advantage to encourage people to get his PT shares instead of the others by charging no fees on dividends

15:58:46 BTC0xygen: Bitfunder ASICMINER-PT is not owned by the site owner. and does not charge a fee.

15:59:09 ThickAsThieves: yes but he has some sort of arrangement with the owner

15:59:12 ThickAsThieves: that is unknown

15:59:26 ThickAsThieves: nothing is free

15:59:26 BTC0xygen: hmm

15:59:39 BTC0xygen: Air is free. :P

15:59:40 ericmuyser: BTC0xygen: I dont get it you want people to WORK for FREE? doesn't that scare you?

15:59:59 ThickAsThieves: ^^^^^^^

16:00:06 BTC0xygen: Think should be working to get the free blade. :P

16:00:14 ThickAsThieves: what free blade

16:00:15 BTC0xygen: Thick*

16:00:23 ThickAsThieves: they dont exist

16:00:32 ThickAsThieves: that blade is more likely to cost me money

16:00:35 ThickAsThieves: than be a benefit

16:00:46 ThickAsThieves: because if i dont get a board seat before he send them

16:00:49 ThickAsThieves: i have to buy one

16:00:51 ThickAsThieves: to compete

16:01:09 BTC0xygen: If your PT owns more than 5k shares you become a board member and get a free blade.

16:02:16 error4733: he can choose the color ?

16:02:31 BTC0xygen: TAT, How many shares does your PT own?

16:02:39 BTCOxygen: error4733: What color?

16:02:49 error4733: my bad

16:02:59 BTCOxygen: :P

16:03:01 ThickAsThieves: almost 2000

16:03:02 error4733: confuse with the usb miner

16:03:02 ericmuyser: 5% on divs is such an insignificant amount *per person* it's laughable. it's kickstarter

16:03:19 ThickAsThieves: correct, eric

16:03:20 BTCOxygen: lol

16:03:39 ThickAsThieves: give a few minutes to show a funny example

16:03:45 ThickAsThieves: of how small 5% of divs is

16:03:46 BTC0xygen: kk

16:05:16 Diablo-D3: speaking of kickstarter

16:05:22 Diablo-D3: I wonder if I could kickstarter a 1EB storage pool.

16:06:31 BTCOxygen: Diablo-D3: 1EB ?

16:06:39 Diablo-D3: 1000PB = 1EB

16:06:43 Diablo-D3: 1000TB = 1PB

16:06:53 BTCOxygen: ah.

16:06:58 BTCOxygen: Not bitcoin related.

16:07:58 ThickAsThieves: Let's say I have 5000 shares worth 2.5btc each. Assuming AM will pay .025 in divs EVERY week, I would get 0.00125 per share, or about 27btc per month.

16:08:04 ThickAsThieves: At current BTC/USD value that means that I would be getting paid $3500/mo to be liable for assets worth $1,575,000.

16:08:53 BTCOxygen: And thats for 5%, right?

16:09:10 ThickAsThieves: right

16:09:17 ThickAsThieves: now

16:09:32 ThickAsThieves: do you want a man holding $1.5m in assets

16:09:36 ThickAsThieves: to work for free?

16:09:54 Namworld: 3500 x 12 = 42,000 = 2.66% of portfolio value yearly.

16:09:57 BTCOxygen: The other PT holds 5m in assets and work for free. :P

16:10:10 ThickAsThieves: i assure you he does not

16:10:16 BTCOxygen: He could have a agreement with the site operator.

16:10:40 ThickAsThieves: let me show you one more example

16:10:47 ThickAsThieves: as to why Burnside does it for free

16:10:53 ThickAsThieves: what's his trade fee?

16:11:02 ThickAsThieves: like .5%?

16:11:03 BTC0xygen: 0.2%

16:11:06 furuknap: 0.4%

16:11:12 ThickAsThieves: he charges both sides

16:11:15 furuknap: Yeah, but 0.2 from both sides

16:11:19 ThickAsThieves: k

16:11:31 BTC0xygen: better than 5%. :P

16:11:45 Namworld: 0.4% x 1200 BTC trade earlier = 4.8 BTC

16:11:50 ThickAsThieves: Burnside has made 518.72 coins this week

16:11:52 ThickAsThieves: in fees

16:11:53 truffles: pay me or i dont know what i might do hmmm

16:11:56 furuknap: Yeah, and better than 100%. He still reaps from every sale.

16:12:09 ThickAsThieves: or $65,358.72

16:12:16 ThickAsThieves: in one week!

16:12:20 ThickAsThieves: off AM alone

16:12:31 saulimus: wish I was that clever

16:12:50 Namworld: 12968.8 Volume x 0.4% = 51.872 BTC this week.

16:12:53 BTCOxygen: ThickAsThieves: lol.

16:12:58 BTCOxygen: Now things start to make sense.

16:13:01 Namworld: You're one order of magnitude too high

16:13:05 truffles: hope he doesnt live in USA

16:13:10 ThickAsThieves: am i?

16:13:16 Namworld: yeah

16:13:16 BTCOxygen: hmm

16:13:27 Namworld: Still, 6500$ per week

16:13:34 BTCOxygen: ThickAsThieves: He made 51 coins.

16:13:37 ThickAsThieves: 12968btc vol

16:13:49 ThickAsThieves: for the week

16:14:04 ThickAsThieves: oh yeah

16:14:04 Namworld: Aye

16:14:06 ThickAsThieves: yer right

16:14:10 ThickAsThieves: sorry!

16:14:21 ThickAsThieves: $6500 per week

16:14:26 truffles: math is confusing

16:14:26 Namworld: ;;calc 47.3081 * 0.004

16:14:35 BTCOxygen: .

16:14:36 BTCOxygen: .

16:14:36 BTCOxygen: .

16:14:38 Namworld: 0.18 BTC for the last PT trade

16:14:45 Namworld: 18 bucks

16:14:45 ThickAsThieves: either way

16:14:55 ThickAsThieves: you can see why burnside does it for 'free'

16:14:55 Namworld: and it keeps coming in all day like this

16:15:05 BTCOxygen: yeah.

16:15:34 ThickAsThieves: problem is

16:15:40 ThickAsThieves: there is a bit of conflict of interest

16:15:50 ThickAsThieves: having the PT operator be the exchange owner

16:15:57 ThickAsThieves: I trust Burnsy n all

16:16:19 ThickAsThieves: but it's a little shakey for him to be running his own PT imo

16:16:43 ThickAsThieves: this is probably why Ukto didnt do his own

16:16:51 ThickAsThieves: and worked something out with DT

16:17:58 ThickAsThieves: man, i feel like i'm totally the tinfoil-hatter in this channel now

16:18:05 ThickAsThieves: lol

16:18:18 fiat500: dt wall moved?

16:18:27 fiat500: or eated?

16:18:27 ThickAsThieves: no it got ate

16:18:31 fiat500: sheeeeeet

16:18:40 ThickAsThieves: you missed the fireworks

16:18:46 BitHub: how much is 1,000,000 mBTC in btc again?

16:19:06 Namworld: 1000 BTC?

16:19:18 ThickAsThieves: too much to be using mBTC

16:19:36 BitHub: yeah i dont know why these guys haven't it this way, annoying

16:19:37 ThickAsThieves: unless youre an asshole

16:19:40 BitHub: thanks nams

16:19:40 BTCOxygen: <BitHub> how much is 1,000,000 *uBTC in btc again?

16:20:12 BitHub: 100,000 mBTC is 100 btc

16:20:48 BTCOxygen: How long does it take to open an asset on BTCTC ?

16:21:14 ThickAsThieves: hey guys

16:21:19 ThickAsThieves: check this out

16:21:30 BTC0xygen: ?

16:21:31 ThickAsThieves: Friedcat: "Shipped Blades: 278. The sales keeps a slow but steady pace."

16:21:42 ThickAsThieves: "Shipped USB Sticks: 530. A lot more in the following week."

16:21:54 ThickAsThieves: "We also finalized the decision on making the next-gen (65/55nm) chips also fit in a USB powered device so that we could make Block Erupter USB II possible, instead of integrating too many cores into one big chip."

16:22:00 ThickAsThieves: booya!

16:22:26 BTC0xygen: cool

16:22:26 kakobrekla: just to fuck with bfl

16:22:36 BTC0xygen: BFL is deal.

16:22:47 BTC0xygen: I need to see 28nm chips now. :P

16:22:59 fiat500: BFL is going to rape AM

16:23:33 ericmuyser: mBTC = milliBTC = milliseconds = 1000 milliseconds in 1 second = add or subtract 3 zeros to convert between mBTC and BTC. 2304303834000 mBTC = 2304303834 BTC. 3940723523947852 mBTC = 3940723523947.852 BTC = moved decimal place 3 to make it smaller

16:23:55 BTC0xygen: lol

16:23:58 BTC0xygen: rofl

16:23:59 ThickAsThieves: yeah you better buy BFL stock while you still can't!

16:24:18 BTCOxygen: How long does it take to open an asset on BTCTC ?

16:24:43 ThickAsThieves: depends

16:24:46 BitHub: BFL where you can do imaginary ASIC preorders and by the time you get them they will be worthless to mine with

16:25:09 BTC0xygen: what github said.

16:25:12 BTC0xygen: *B

16:25:27 ericmuyser: AM where they mine with them themselves until they're *almost* worthless and sell em

16:25:48 ThickAsThieves: [12:24] <BTCOxygen> How long does it take to open an asset on BTCTC ? <<<<1. Talk to Burnsude 2. Open a thread on the forums gut-checking your asset plan 3. Fill out the application and pay 5btc 4. Wait 1-2 weeks for enough votes (not guaranteed)

16:26:34 BTCOxygen: lol

16:26:47 BTCOxygen: I will keep it in OTC. :P

16:27:05 BTCOxygen: Its a small asset, No need to go with all the hassle.

16:27:16 BTCOxygen: only 300 shares.

16:27:21 ThickAsThieves: yeah no need to do something the right way, fuckit

16:27:31 ThickAsThieves: just scamz instead, way easier

16:27:41 BTCOxygen: lol

16:27:56 BTCOxygen: ThickAsThieves: I need the funding in 2 days MAX.

16:28:06 BTCOxygen: Wait 1-2 weeks for enough votes (not guaranteed)

16:28:09 ThickAsThieves: ...

16:28:13 BitHub: its alot of hard work to scam

16:28:14 ThickAsThieves: good luck

16:28:21 BitHub: look at the amount of effort ziggap went into

16:28:26 jborkl: Did you ever pay Topace back?

16:28:51 BTCOxygen: Most.

16:29:00 BTCOxygen: very small amount left.

16:29:04 error4733: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214227.0

16:30:08 Namworld: If he had to run, aethero could have at least have given the website and business to someone else. Not like he's going to need those...

16:30:49 BitHub: i'm sure he'll be back with a new busines name

16:31:12 ThickAsThieves: like BTCOxygen tm?

16:32:29 BitHub: would suck to be him tho, watching your back everyday just waiting for someone to come up behind you and donkey punch you in front of your kids and stuff

16:32:44 ThickAsThieves: depends how much he banked

16:32:51 ThickAsThieves: he could just disappear

16:33:01 BitHub: scared for your life, people are ready to bash your baseball bats n stuff

16:33:06 BitHub: its pretty scary

16:33:24 ThickAsThieves: i dont think any one person lost enough money

16:33:28 ThickAsThieves: to want to kill hm

16:33:52 ThickAsThieves: twas a well-distributed scam

16:33:53 BitHub: people have paid in bitcoin to put hits on him

16:33:57 ThickAsThieves: the great part

16:33:58 ThickAsThieves: is that

16:34:21 ThickAsThieves: the whole scam was propped into this world by his btc wot reputation

16:34:28 ThickAsThieves: go wot!

16:34:35 BitHub: yeah wot

16:34:38 BitHub: biggest failing

16:34:56 jborkl: Athero scammed again?

16:35:10 jborkl: aethero

16:35:41 jborkl: If so, not the first time

16:35:45 BitHub: wouldn't be that hard, we found kenfrom cryptoexechange

16:35:52 BitHub: he shat his pants real quick

16:36:24 ThickAsThieves: aww

16:36:26 ThickAsThieves: i missed that

16:39:12 ThickAsThieves: sdice rally heh

16:39:31 kakobrekla: Bugpowders fault

16:39:34 BitHub: yeah nice, i glad i got in before

16:39:44 BitHub: do you run btcinvest as well tat?

16:39:48 ThickAsThieves: nope

16:40:15 BitHub: oh, he was just giving you a plug or something?

16:41:52 Namworld: I love SDICE rallies

16:42:17 BitHub: its probably namworld /confused

16:43:02 Namworld: No... cause currently my PT sells for much more than SDICE elsewhere

16:43:27 BitHub: who's btcinvest on bf?

16:48:50 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: Stop being a ASICMINER horder

16:49:30 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

16:49:38 thestringpuller: !last m S.MPOE

16:57:27 ThickAsThieves: [12:48] <thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves: Stop being a ASICMINER horder OMNOMNOMNOM

16:59:08 thestringpuller: On this episode of horders we clear out ThickAsThieves house full of old ASICMIER shares

16:59:15 thestringpuller: ;;gpg

16:59:21 thestringpuller: ;;ident

16:59:27 thestringpuller: ;;getrating thestringpuller

17:01:21 thestringpuller: ;;eauth

17:01:26 thestringpuller: ;;eauth thestringpuller

17:02:06 thestringpuller: ;;eauth freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8aa06b3bcdf39a29064f4da379e6a0c189e2674c0d0687dc6a9778be

17:02:20 thestringpuller: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8aa06b3bcdf39a29064f4da379e6a0c189e2674c0d0687dc6a9778be

17:02:25 thestringpuller: my bad ;;gribble

17:02:30 thestringpuller: ;;gribble gribble

17:02:44 thestringpuller: !ticker B BITVPS

17:02:53 thestringpuller: !ticker B BVPS

17:03:02 thestringpuller: !ticker BTCTC BVPS

17:03:06 thestringpuller: !ticker BTCTC BITVPS

17:03:13 thestringpuller: !last BTCTC BITVPS

17:04:30 thestringpuller: ;;rate smickles 0 seems overwhelmed. good people.

17:04:37 thestringpuller: ;;rate smickles 1 seems overwhelmed. good people.

17:07:47 jcpham: what is mickles up to these days

17:09:57 thestringpuller: ;;.25 * 3

17:10:01 thestringpuller: ;;calc .25 * 3

17:10:32 thestringpuller: ;;calc .5 * 3

17:13:54 JWU42: forgot all about this channel

17:14:00 JWU42: :/

17:14:58 Chaaang-Noi: back to 2.5 nice

17:15:15 Chaaang-Noi: wall is gone

17:15:24 Chaaang-Noi: wonder if the guy who set up the wall bought all he wanted :)

17:15:34 Chaaang-Noi: Cog is at .27 nice

17:15:55 aknap3: 2013-05-23 08:50:31 Market Buy 497 ฿ 2.45 ฿ 1217.65

17:16:06 JWU42: anyone think there is a market for fractional ownership of a mini-rig (the 500 Gh/s unit)

17:16:14 Chaaang-Noi: thanks aknap3 very cool

17:16:33 Chaaang-Noi: how fractional? and what price?

17:16:37 JWU42: would probably keep it private

17:16:45 JWU42: Hey goat

17:16:50 Chaaang-Noi: hi :)

17:16:59 JWU42: would probably do nor more than 10 holders

17:17:08 JWU42: if i kept it private

17:17:18 Chaaang-Noi: whats your order number? honestly, im not sure bfl will ever get the mini rigs going :/ i have little faith

17:17:27 JWU42: yeah - understood there

17:17:32 JWU42: 1718

17:17:39 JWU42: is the MR order number

17:17:41 Chaaang-Noi: that is low

17:17:45 JWU42: =)

17:18:09 Chaaang-Noi: i have one lower, but a 60 ghs unit

17:18:24 Chaaang-Noi: them taking the mini rigs off the sales page makes me worried

17:18:30 JWU42: yeah - all my 60 Gh/s units are in the lower 17xx as well

17:18:47 JWU42: Chaaang-Noi: josh has said it will be 3 x 500 units

17:18:48 Chaaang-Noi: 163X i think for me

17:18:59 Chaaang-Noi: ahh that is good news

17:19:04 Chaaang-Noi: i ahve not kept up with all bfl stuff

17:19:11 JWU42: well - except for the 9kW in power

17:19:14 JWU42: ;)

17:19:16 Chaaang-Noi: i bet its too late for me to upgrade

17:19:39 JWU42: I might just sell one unit outright

17:19:45 Chaaang-Noi: hmmm well at least you can power it in three different buildings

17:20:53 kakobrekla: myea i miss mining.

17:21:13 Chaaang-Noi: i got some rally nice cpus i can sell ya!

17:21:25 kakobrekla: sounds like a plan

17:21:30 Chaaang-Noi: not used in 2 years!

17:24:21 Chaaang-Noi: that 1000 plus btc market buy is pretty epic

17:24:46 benkay_: ;;ticker

17:25:01 Chaaang-Noi: on AM that is

17:25:08 Chaaang-Noi: btc being over 125 is pretty cool to:)

17:34:49 furuknap: Only thing that remains to be seen is whether it was epic fail or epic win.

17:35:15 furuknap: ...or possibly epic meh.

17:53:51 topace: !ticker h asicm

17:54:25 topace: !ticker h sdice

17:57:02 error4733: ;;ticker

18:01:04 furuknap: Wait, cognitive traded at 0.3999 today? Wow. Mining shares are really going grazy...

18:16:23 inhies: parseval: you around?

18:19:35 furuknap: If you ignore the last couple of Cognitive trades, every single mining asset on BTCT is up today. Cognitive was up 50% before the latest couple of trades.

18:20:36 parseval: I'm here

18:21:29 parseval: Sort of, anyway, inhies, since I am at work

18:23:23 inhies: ah ok parseval

18:23:32 inhies: i was gonna bug you about oauth on btctc since you seem to have it working

18:23:52 inhies: when you pass oob for callback, and you go to the URL and approve teh access request, what happens next?

18:24:08 inhies: for me, the page reloads with the verificiation string appended in the URL, but when I try and use it the API says its invalid

18:24:27 inhies: and by page reloads, i mean the page where you approve access to your account for the application

18:25:00 parseval: If I remember right, I had to change from calling that as a POST to a GET to make it work

18:25:00 burnside: <ThickAsThieves> but it's a little shakey for him to be running his own PT imo || TAT, still around?

18:25:02 ThickAsThieves: have you tried setting the flux capacitor to eleventeen?

18:25:10 ThickAsThieves: yessir

18:25:15 burnside: hola!

18:25:16 burnside: heh

18:25:20 ThickAsThieves: ola

18:25:45 burnside: I just wanted to throw out there that I tried to get several folks to run it before I ran with it.

18:25:50 parseval: I can post some code tonight if you want, inhies

18:26:00 ThickAsThieves: i understand

18:26:05 ThickAsThieves: and i personally trust you

18:26:16 ThickAsThieves: but i def have had some convs with people

18:26:18 burnside: And when I set it up, it had 5% fees... plan was to get it setup, then find someone to take over.

18:26:28 ThickAsThieves: where it makes it raise Qs

18:26:50 burnside: I had to ditch the fees to get around whatever closed door setup Ukto/DeaDTerra had setup to end up at zero fees.

18:27:00 ThickAsThieves: i def understand how you got into the position as well

18:27:05 ThickAsThieves: you HAD to do no fees

18:27:12 inhies: parseval: that would be great if you could. I'll be leaving in a couple hours and i'll be gone all day, but feel free to PM me, I really appreciate it

18:27:36 burnside: What I'd love to do now is work out something with Ukto/DeaDTerra where we both agree to like a 0.5% fee or something.

18:27:43 burnside: At which point I could find someone to take it over.

18:27:48 ThickAsThieves: but you cant really

18:27:55 ThickAsThieves: people would FLIP OUT

18:27:55 inhies: i use a GET with the URL to approve teh app, since that is done in a browser, obviously, and then the approval form is a POST, but then it reloads with a GET to the same URL with the verifier string appended

18:28:07 ThickAsThieves: i did send you some ideas though

18:28:14 burnside: Yeah, it would be ugly for a few days.

18:28:15 ThickAsThieves: about ways you could make it happen

18:28:24 ThickAsThieves: here's what you do

18:28:35 JWU42: who keeps buying YABMC - grr

18:28:39 BitHub: why's everyone bailing on AM PT?

18:28:43 ThickAsThieves: you get DT to agree to stop importing with you doing the same

18:28:49 ThickAsThieves: then

18:29:11 ThickAsThieves: you let me (or whomever, but I'm obv the coolest) open a new PT

18:29:15 ThickAsThieves: that allows importing

18:29:20 ThickAsThieves: but has a fee

18:29:31 ThickAsThieves: eventually yours and DTs would get smaller and smaller

18:29:49 ThickAsThieves: til they were gone

18:30:06 fiat500: burnside: trades using 2FA fee on btct applies if you are just logged in via 2fa, or also use 2fa for the trade itself?

18:30:14 ThickAsThieves: yours would also demand a premium

18:30:17 ThickAsThieves: cuz no fee

18:30:27 burnside: yup, I like that idea too. it would suck splitting the liquidity during the transition, and also would require collaboration like the other approach.

18:30:54 burnside: fiat500 -- the discount is only if you use 2FA for trades.

18:30:57 ThickAsThieves: well

18:31:05 ThickAsThieves: the thing about the liquidity is

18:31:12 fiat500: alright thanks

18:31:13 ThickAsThieves: we could easily move people

18:31:18 ThickAsThieves: without involving friedcat

18:31:34 ThickAsThieves: but yeah

18:31:40 burnside: if both were backed by the same account with friedcat, true

18:31:41 ThickAsThieves: there's no perfect answer

18:31:59 ThickAsThieves: even if they weren't

18:32:08 ThickAsThieves: as long as I had spare shares

18:32:11 ThickAsThieves: to cover them

18:32:21 burnside: yeah, that's true. I don't have many spares on my side tho.

18:32:23 ThickAsThieves: we could square up on our own

18:32:47 ThickAsThieves: hell i might even WANT to have some of your shares

18:32:50 ThickAsThieves: in the old PT

18:32:50 burnside: we could definitely reduce the volume with Friedcat a ton by working it in batches

18:33:21 ThickAsThieves: that is def something i am sensitive to,

18:33:30 ThickAsThieves: friedcat does too much xfering already

18:33:37 ThickAsThieves: and if he has to do more,

18:33:42 ThickAsThieves: he'll just make an exchange

18:33:43 burnside: thing for me is that if we do that, I'd want to set a deadline where I can shut down my PT. If the goal is to alleviate the conflict of interest, there needs to be a finish line.

18:33:50 ThickAsThieves: and we'll all be kinda screwed

18:34:24 burnside: I think that'd be a mistake for him, but it's a definite possibility.

18:34:24 ThickAsThieves: you will also have to do some hardcore convincing with Ukto

18:34:27 aknap3: not trying to be a pain, but doesn't the stockholder agreement say we can transfer in an out?

18:34:44 aknap3: but it looks like a 30 day shutdown is perfetly fine per the agreement

18:34:44 ThickAsThieves: it also says he can close the asset

18:34:58 aknap3: yes

18:35:06 ThickAsThieves: he can make motions

18:35:10 ThickAsThieves: for alternative solutions

18:35:15 aknap3: and I think the stockholders would approve :)

18:35:27 ThickAsThieves: in the end, shut down aint gonna happen unless DT stops importing too

18:35:30 burnside: yeah, I'd have to announce that it was closing in 6 months. let people transfer wherever they want, with a carrot (instant transfer) for people transitioning to the alternate PT

18:36:35 jborkl: I thought DT already said he was shutting and paying yesterday

18:36:39 ThickAsThieves: no

18:36:44 aknap3: burnside: sounds generous and reasonable to me

18:36:44 ThickAsThieves: thats the Gamma Fund

18:36:49 burnside: that's his investment fund left over from GLBSE

18:36:58 jborkl: oh ok I see

18:37:42 burnside: TAT, only way any of this works though is if the PT on BF somehow develops a fee setup.

18:38:03 ThickAsThieves: you should talk to Ukto,

18:38:12 ThickAsThieves: cuz he doesnt have much to gain

18:38:14 ThickAsThieves: from a change

18:38:25 ThickAsThieves: so it will require some very candid conversation

18:38:50 burnside: yup, I'll have to have a chat for sure.

18:39:13 furuknap: Burnside, you're here! Good to see you!

18:39:15 ThickAsThieves: and neither of you wants to give up any of that sweet sweet volume :)

18:40:23 burnside: That is definitely true. The exchange lives or dies by volume.

18:40:43 burnside: furuknap -- hola. ;)

18:41:40 ThickAsThieves: furuknap and I are gonna have a public debate

18:41:57 burnside: sadly, gotta head out. withdrawals to process and day job to attend to.

18:42:17 ThickAsThieves: cool cool

18:43:46 ThickAsThieves: i've got +17 trust now, can I sell those for ripples?

18:43:49 furuknap: No worries, keep up the good job.

18:44:14 jcpham: ooh i want +17 trust

18:44:22 jcpham: where do i get the trust from?

18:44:32 ThickAsThieves: people that trust me

18:44:34 ThickAsThieves: :)

18:44:46 jcpham: ;;ident ThickAsThieves

18:44:51 furuknap: Bah, it's just 17 shill account... :-P

18:44:52 jcpham: tisk

18:45:02 jcpham: ;;getrating ThickAsThieves

18:45:19 ThickAsThieves: i havent kept up with my wot

18:45:25 ThickAsThieves: i owe some people ratings

18:46:09 jcpham: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 3 Runs one hell of a tidy ship.

18:46:37 ThickAsThieves: hey thanks!

18:46:46 jcpham: you deserve it!

18:48:57 JWU42: ;;ident

18:53:27 inhies: ;;getrating inh

18:54:57 deadweasel: ;;ident deadweasel

18:55:08 deadweasel: ;;eauth deadweasel

18:55:25 BitHub: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 - runs a tight ship

18:55:46 deadweasel: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:195dd088f14ca93f1a2659e29f2b90479cb299851dd9a99ef124fac4

18:56:07 BitHub: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 - professional.

18:56:34 deadweasel: ;;getrating BitHub

18:56:38 fiat500: >_>

18:56:45 deadweasel: OTC orgy

18:56:54 deadweasel: or WOT orgy

18:56:58 deadweasel: not sure which

18:57:10 ThickAsThieves: pshaw

18:57:16 ThickAsThieves: thx guys :)

18:57:29 fiat500: so what was decided re: the AM PTs?

18:57:39 ThickAsThieves: nothing is changing

18:57:52 BitHub: 1.2 prices for fiat and bithub?

18:57:57 ThickAsThieves: but burnside would be happy to be running his own PT

18:58:04 ThickAsThieves: but he's stuck

18:58:25 ThickAsThieves: odds are there wont be any changes

18:58:37 ThickAsThieves: without a lot of brainstorming and cooperation from BF

18:59:29 fiat500: who wants to buy 2 shiny AM-PT shares from me @ 2.489

18:59:56 deadweasel: auction them on the forum

19:00:05 fiat500: auction PT shares? lol

19:02:17 BitHub: 2.48?

19:02:35 BitHub: cmon fiat500 give bithub a good hookup remmeber that free btc :P

19:03:18 fiat500: BitHub: ill give u a 0.1 discount

19:03:39 BitHub: :P

19:03:43 fiat500: BitHub: why dont u just buy them on the exchange?

19:04:02 BitHub: i'll give you 2 btc for it

19:04:17 ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash

19:04:21 ThickAsThieves: yeaauh

19:04:33 ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate

19:04:53 fiat500: http://asicminercharts.com/live/

19:04:57 fiat500: who's responsible

19:06:07 BitHub: AM should just release another device called the bfl

19:06:59 BitHub: bfl and avalon should both just give up and submit all their funds and equipment to AM and beg for forgiveness

19:07:46 jborkl: New bitbet weekly - AM dividend will be under .02 per share (non PT dividend)

19:09:26 fiat500: fucking options giving me heart attacks :P

19:16:25 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: we need an !AMhash

19:18:36 ThickAsThieves: talk to kako

19:18:51 ThickAsThieves: i might be inclined to sponsor his work

19:18:56 ThickAsThieves: if he did

19:20:08 fiat500: id do it for free if i had an API... is there a realtime API?

19:20:44 fiat500: kako == kakobrekla?

19:22:29 ThickAsThieves: yes

19:45:05 BitHub: are you good at that stuff fiat500?

19:56:29 fiat500: BitHub: i dont like rating myself

19:56:42 optimator: how about some nostalgia https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153682.msg1634617#msg1634617

19:57:08 BitHub: okey i mean, do you do irc bots n stuff

19:58:50 ThickAsThieves: you can probly find some posts from me badmouthing the share value too

19:58:56 optimator: And, of course, this gem https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153682.msg1633411#msg1633411

19:59:42 ThickAsThieves: at one point i lost faith because FC kept saying they were gonna get to 12TH and never did it

19:59:59 optimator: ThickAsThieves: I'm not saying I didn't take a profit... but damn! 2.45

20:00:14 fiat500: i have in the past, the kind of stuff i do on a daily basis is a lot more complex

20:00:52 ThickAsThieves: itll hit 2.7+ again

20:00:59 BitHub: cool fiat

20:01:18 BitHub: i would like to hire your services sometime

20:01:57 fiat500: if its something small/medium scale it isnt worth it for me to charge

20:02:10 BitHub: ill pm you

20:02:54 fiat500: cool :)

20:03:47 optimator: it's intersting, the market approaches perfect information and still the players make what seem to be unrealistic bets

20:04:11 fiat500: optimator: its a self-fulfilling prophecy

20:04:16 fiat500: if enough people do it

20:04:29 aknap3: the herd is wrong, but you have to move with the herd

20:04:45 furuknap: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153682.msg1634673#msg1634673 <- At 20% average over 6 years (my model does that) price per AM share should be in the 1.9-2.0 range with my risk profile and ROI expecations (20%/year)

20:04:47 optimator: It's microecon 101 revisited... *I* maintain people are not rational

20:05:09 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

20:05:22 aknap3: I'll never forget playing the beer game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_distribution_game

20:05:30 optimator: aknap3: of course, you are right. you can't fight it

20:07:05 optimator: aknap3: how does the game play?

20:07:33 aknap3: it's awesome -- need a group of people. Even if you have played the game before and you know all the details you can't stop the wild fluctuations in supply and demand

20:08:29 aknap3: one one end you have the factory, on the other end yo uhave the consumer. in between, the distributors. the consumer places an order, and the order is passed down the line. Each participant loses money while they have either overstock or back-orders

20:08:59 aknap3: the customer orders are: 1, 2, 4, 8, 4, 4, 4 (and 4 for ever) but that exponential demand growth in the beginning triggers instability that lasts the whole game

20:10:14 aknap3: and even if you know exactly what is going to happen, as a distributor, you have to play along. Fighting the wild swings makes things worse for you

20:11:18 BitHub: so much easier just playing startrek movie and new judge dredd back to back and doing a shot whenever you see a lens flare

20:12:05 BitHub: i'm never able to go longer than 10mins

20:12:22 optimator: I'm thinking there would be a bit of inventory shrinkage

20:12:22 fiat500: why is BASIC-MINING doing so well

20:12:42 aknap3: avalon batch 2 and 3 coming

20:12:50 aknap3: so their hashrate will grow massively

20:12:55 aknap3: I bought 20 shares at 0.5

20:13:01 fiat500: hm

20:13:20 fiat500: probably a better short-term bet than COG then eh

20:13:33 optimator: aknap3: I wish we played that game in my business classes

20:13:36 aknap3: COG seems a bit flakey.. potential for huge gain but risk is higher

20:13:37 fiat500: oh well, good thing im not in this for short-term bets

20:14:17 aknap3: optimator: it was unforgettable (no actual beer though )

20:15:58 optimator: aknap3: I'd want to run simulation a) w/o beer; b) with real beer; and c) with real beer at a bar!

20:16:13 optimator: I'm guessing C would result in the best overall outcome

20:16:17 aknap3: optimator: time to write a grant proposal

20:19:48 WILLdude: Where's the best place to buy the new USB miners, in a quantity of 1?

20:19:55 WILLdude: At a reasonable price.

20:20:17 aknap3: WILLdude: hold your BTC. Do not spend

20:20:29 WILLdude: But where could I?

20:20:38 aknap3: in a paper wallet

20:20:51 WILLdude: You know what I mean.

20:20:55 aknap3: then turn off computer and finish school. When you graduate you'll likely be able to pay for college

20:21:00 davout: ohai

20:21:18 aknap3: the alternative is you'll keep investing until you hit zero

20:22:19 fiat500: aknap3: is that how it works?

20:22:35 ThickAsThieves: yes

20:22:59 ThickAsThieves: i think willdude doesnt realize that he is trying to spend money, not invest it

20:23:10 ThickAsThieves: which means he'll get to zero soon enough

20:23:17 aknap3: gambler mentality -- you will keep making bets until you have lost it all

20:23:34 aknap3: the only winning move is not to play

20:23:40 fiat500: WILLdude: i made 11btc gambling on satoshicircle

20:23:46 WILLdude: Hah.

20:23:51 aknap3: WILLdude: this is painful but it is good advice

20:24:03 WILLdude: Is there some strategy to that gambling?

20:24:08 aknap3: gah!!

20:24:13 fiat500: lol you're hopeless

20:24:20 fiat500: i knew you'd say that

20:24:37 fiat500: no there wasnt, i could have just as easily lost the 2btc i started with

20:24:41 WILLdude: Well, obviously, there is no strategy to gambling.

20:24:46 WILLdude: Stupid question.

20:24:59 fiat500: are you capable of losing $250 and moving on?

20:25:04 WILLdude: I sometimes go on bitvegas.

20:25:06 WILLdude: No

20:25:10 aknap3: WILLdude not a stupid question, it was a window into the workings of your mind. You must not invest!

20:25:12 fiat500: dont gamble

20:25:24 jcpham: http://www.thegenesisblock.com/bitcoin-trading-are-we-primed-for-a-major-move-higher/

20:25:36 WILLdude: BitVegas has a load of people who believe in gambler's fallacy.

20:25:59 fiat500: oh neat, jcpham who's behind that site?

20:26:48 fiat500: "Phil"

20:27:03 WILLdude: I sometimes do Peerbet.

20:27:15 WILLdude: But I'd rather not gamble.

20:28:43 fiat500: WILLdude: i was lying about that 11btc, please don't

20:28:52 WILLdude: Why?

20:29:03 WILLdude: I mean why lie.

20:29:21 fiat500: just wanted to see how you'd react

20:29:35 fiat500: most people would say "fucking retard" regardless of how much i said i made

20:31:39 fiat500: jcpham: hrmz, that article doesn't really say anything

20:31:44 fiat500: even the title is a question

20:31:59 jcpham: sounds like an article i'd share

20:32:11 fiat500: lol

20:32:21 jcpham: devoid of content

20:33:41 cole_albon: ;;bc,24hprc

20:34:24 fiat500: "Markets frequently see periods of low volatility and consolidation around a price level before making large moves higher."

20:34:38 fiat500: s/higher/higher, lower, or more sideways/

20:36:52 fiat500: sad, its a really sweet looking site

20:41:38 davout: ;;ticker

20:43:29 fiat500: hrmz

21:02:26 jborkl: ripple is now down to 8200/1

21:07:35 furuknap: Ans suddenly SDICE has made up for the 3K loss earlier this month and is now positive again. Yeah, rite...

21:07:43 furuknap: Good night, people. TTYL.

21:14:00 Willdude123: Hello

21:17:39 Willdude123: It's unlucky that I bought back my btc before I discovered bitinstant, which would have worked.

21:22:11 jurov: Willdude123: if you do anything impulsive without any research, its not unlucky. it's retarded :)

21:22:47 Willdude123: Actually, I guess I made the good decision to buy my shares back.

21:23:03 Willdude123: I guess It's luck I now know about it.

21:23:09 jurov: tomorrow you'll doubt it and sell them again

21:23:17 Willdude123: How much does that bitcurex card cost?

21:23:26 Willdude123: No, I won't

21:26:58 truffles: putting raisins in bread

21:27:02 truffles: how can u go wrong!

21:51:56 ThickAsThieves: http://www.thegenesisblock.com/us-regulators-confusion-around-bitcoin-is-exactly-why-no-one-wants-them-involved/

21:55:21 dub: old link is old

21:55:28 ThickAsThieves: sry

21:55:41 ThickAsThieves: just digging thru the site for the first time

21:55:52 benkay_: keep 'em comin TAT

21:55:56 fiat500: is naice site

21:56:07 benkay_: wow bart chilton looks terrifying

21:56:08 fiat500: who is this phil chap i wonder

21:56:55 ThickAsThieves: dub, I have +17 trust on the forums, are you jelly?

21:57:14 dub: hardly surprising

21:57:15 ThickAsThieves: who should I scam first?

21:57:20 fiat500: lmfao

21:57:51 truffles: mp

21:58:17 truffles: who should I scam first?^^^

21:59:18 truffles: or at least slap around a bit with a giant trout

21:59:50 benkay_: yeah who is this phil character?

22:00:02 benkay_: and also jonathan stacke?

22:00:15 dub: TAT investments, pied piper of the $3 investment crowd

22:00:47 ThickAsThieves: lol

22:01:13 ThickAsThieves: benkay i have no idea who these people are

22:01:59 fiat500: ThickAsThieves is taking my firstborn

22:02:14 truffles: TAT is what i consider a shark

22:02:27 ThickAsThieves: can i sell fractional babies?

22:02:54 fiat500: can we have fractional shares without a PT?

22:03:06 jurov: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=51125 ... this is meant to be the other way around, no?

22:03:10 truffles: Bart Chilton, does he have a sinister look to anyone

22:03:39 ThickAsThieves: oh i forgot about you jurov

22:03:42 ThickAsThieves: sry

22:03:50 ThickAsThieves: +trust coming right up

22:03:59 fiat500: well, bitstamp finally caught up to gox

22:04:16 benkay_: in what sense, fiat500?

22:04:25 fiat500: incredible reality distortion field those fuckers were in last week

22:04:46 fiat500: in the sense that best bid is no longer 116

22:05:00 fiat500: more like 124

22:05:12 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=51125

22:05:41 kakobrekla: yes terrible fiat500 http://jezus.si:81/render?target=bitcoin.*.transactions&height=500&width=1100&lineMode=connected

22:05:53 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: so you're playing the game

22:05:54 truffles: why does it want me to sign in!

22:06:33 fiat500: kakobrekla: i see btc-e is still behind

22:06:40 ThickAsThieves: of course i'm playing

22:06:45 ThickAsThieves: i think it's a good idea

22:06:46 fiat500: kakobrekla: how are you getting the ASICMINER data for asicminercharts.com

22:06:52 truffles: tl dr to these restricted btctalk links plz

22:06:56 ThickAsThieves: despite dub's warnings

22:07:06 kakobrekla: wha?

22:07:22 fiat500: id like to write an instantaneous !AMhash like ;;nethash

22:07:30 fiat500: to get current asicminer hashrate

22:07:45 kakobrekla: thats not mine

22:07:50 fiat500: u wot

22:07:57 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: didnt u say it was kako

22:08:05 ThickAsThieves: no,

22:08:12 ThickAsThieves: i said kako runs this channel

22:08:18 fiat500: oh

22:08:31 ThickAsThieves: the guy that runs that website,

22:08:33 kakobrekla: this channel runs itself

22:08:38 ThickAsThieves: is smiguel

22:08:44 ThickAsThieves: on the forums

22:08:49 fiat500: ew forums

22:09:01 ThickAsThieves: can anyone make functions in this channel kako?

22:09:09 ThickAsThieves: like

22:09:11 ThickAsThieves: ;;email

22:09:13 kakobrekla: if that anyone is kako

22:09:15 ThickAsThieves: $email

22:09:25 ThickAsThieves: so you do run the channel

22:09:27 ThickAsThieves: :P

22:09:40 fiat500: lol

22:09:43 ThickAsThieves: however superserving it may be

22:09:53 ThickAsThieves: you got the keys

22:10:30 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: anyone could pick their own prefix and put a bot in here

22:10:43 kakobrekla: in theory but not in practice

22:10:48 jurov: haha

22:11:01 fiat500: lol

22:11:12 ThickAsThieves: ;;amhash

22:11:14 fiat500: then TAT is correct

22:11:19 ThickAsThieves: kako can you fix amhash

22:11:22 ThickAsThieves: its not working

22:11:23 fiat500: haha

22:12:04 benkay_: !

22:12:06 ThickAsThieves: if fiat500 writes it, will you implement?

22:12:19 kakobrekla: where are you pulling the number from

22:12:19 benkay_: grr what's the mpex quote format?

22:12:33 ThickAsThieves: blockchain

22:12:38 ThickAsThieves: i think

22:12:46 ThickAsThieves: lemme check something

22:12:49 fiat500: kakobrekla: will have to ask smiguel where he gets his data for asicminercharts.com

22:13:56 fiat500: ThickAsThieves: how would it be in the blockchain if the majority of the rate is in pools

22:14:40 ThickAsThieves: just the solo part

22:14:48 ThickAsThieves: i assume the rest comes from each pool

22:14:55 jurov: oh, kakobrekla had no trolltalk trust .. till now ;)

22:14:59 fiat500: hmm

22:15:03 ThickAsThieves: you can contact smiguel here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=59002

22:15:47 fiat500: dont see a way to pm on the forum

22:17:19 fiat500: can forum newbs not pm or something?

22:17:22 ThickAsThieves: his pm link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=59002

22:17:29 kakobrekla: re jurov.

22:17:51 fiat500: "You are not allowed to send personal messages."

22:18:16 BitHub: too n3wb

22:18:20 ThickAsThieves: pm me your questions and i'll send to him

22:19:16 fiat500: "hi, i'd like to build an instantaneous hashrate checker for ASICMINER in an IRC bot, interested to know how you're getting your data for asicminercharts.com"

22:28:51 benkay_: ;;seen mircea_popescu

22:29:28 benkay_: !ticker m^oix

22:29:35 benkay_: !ticker m ^oix

22:30:31 benkay_: ;;later tell mircea_popescu is OIX busted?

22:33:37 BitHub: ;;later tell mircea_popescu how you doooooin' *clicks fingers*

22:37:15 jurov: benkay_: just no options activity recently

22:37:26 jurov: when price moves, watch out!

22:39:49 mircea_popescu: hey fiolks

22:39:58 mircea_popescu: jurov what's thatg? i can't see the link

22:40:29 mircea_popescu: benkay_ oix only counts options sold by bot. people have been mostly shorting this month, so bot didn't sell much of anything

22:41:08 jurov: mircea it's btctalk trust from mpoe-pr to me, for 10k btc

22:41:21 mircea_popescu: okay...

22:41:22 jurov: as if she invested 10k via coinbr

22:41:28 mircea_popescu: a

22:41:41 jurov: (maybe she did indeed?)

22:41:45 mircea_popescu: i guess it's more of a degree of magnitude thing

22:42:16 mircea_popescu: i thought maybe she gave you a scammer tag lol

22:42:46 jurov: lolvshe's welcome

22:44:52 jurov: in any case,thanks for appreciation

22:46:00 mircea_popescu: "What is the acronym "OTC?" I haven't heard that one yet..."

22:46:31 jurov: i'm curious if there are any other cases of 10k-valued trust published around

22:46:31 dub: on the cock

22:47:02 kakobrekla: off the cliff

22:47:49 dub: only two coins

22:48:07 kakobrekla: oh this cunt

22:50:15 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214563.0;topicseen

22:50:16 kakobrekla: wtf

22:50:24 kakobrekla: >their limits is 250 btc

22:50:29 kakobrekla: incoming limit of 250?

22:52:55 benkay_: amazing

22:58:11 mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/burlysque-a-musical/

22:58:16 mircea_popescu: is anyone in the house a musical producer ?

22:59:39 kakobrekla: eh thats cheap

23:01:47 dub: mircea_popescu: if its paying I know people

23:01:59 mircea_popescu: see teh article.

23:02:34 kakobrekla: i mean, its funny and all, just cheap

23:02:44 dub: oh

23:03:02 dub: I thought music production not producing musicals

23:03:27 dub: my great aunt produces musicals but she is a cunt

23:03:33 fiat500: lmfao

23:04:01 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla srsly ?

23:04:06 dub: e.g. I am required to address her as great aunt

23:04:49 mircea_popescu: so say great cunt once by mistake

23:05:01 dub: hence she is unlikely to want to tackle such subject matter

23:05:23 dub: she has probably never heard the word cunt

23:05:37 mircea_popescu: riight. and she was never half naked in a car either

23:05:42 mircea_popescu: cause she was 68 at 19 too

23:06:15 jurov: cuz there was no sex in 1960s

23:06:55 mircea_popescu: a ok

23:07:00 dub: lets change teh subject before I lose my breakfast

23:09:11 fiat500: mmm dub great aunt sex

23:09:15 jurov: oh dub is now embodied innocence... do you at least remember what you did yest in #bitcoin-trollbox?

23:09:28 kakobrekla: what did he do

23:09:46 jurov: that was beyond words

23:09:59 kakobrekla: screenshot then

23:10:07 mircea_popescu: ya, draw it lol

23:10:25 jurov: not here

23:11:24 dub: that was nothing

23:11:37 kakobrekla: give us something

23:11:38 dub: whatever you are reffering to

23:11:49 dub: the star of davidstika?

23:12:01 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212021.msg2244119#msg2244119

23:12:02 dub: that was problably the most offensive

23:12:09 mircea_popescu: check her out haha

23:13:29 dub: jurov: which one did you find offensive?

23:14:20 jurov: i'm out of my wit here

23:14:30 jurov: was not offended, jsut teasing you

23:14:45 dub: well I clearly havent been trying